Talk:Saga

Add the sagas that we have from the List of Videos page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --Champthom 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
 * The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --14recinez 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
 * Add information involving the Ebay stuff to the Facebook Saga section. Fredinno (talk) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
 * Add the 2014 sagas to the Sagas timeline. Fredinno (talk) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Changes
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --Fuckingstupid 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)


 * I actually really like these. Anaconda 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
 * I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --Champthom 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
 * Your wish is my command. It is done.  I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly?  I can get started on a timeline.  I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --Fuckingstupid 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
 * So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful.  Are there any other sagas that should be here?  I assume not.  What do we need to add to make this... complete... --Fuckingstupid 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

Timeline
So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --Fuckingstupid 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
 * I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --Fuckingstupid 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
 * I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --Champthom 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

Kwippleton 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.

Gregg Mays saga
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --Champthom 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?
Or does anyone think it's too early? --CWCAttack 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
 * I was about to suggest the same thing. With the recent videos aimed at him, the three phone calls and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention previous antics, there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. -- L i  m  e  [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --CWCAttack 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
 * And I think it has begun! --Blazer 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Asperchu Saga. You like? --Jewlay 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --CWCAttack 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Awesome job on the icon! -- L i  m  e  [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually...
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --Champthom 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. Chris fangs 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG, which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --Jewlay 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day Nitrocore


 * Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --Jewlay 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --Champthom 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --Jewlay 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --Jewlay 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --Champthom 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered Nitrocore
 * I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --Jewlay 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The CWCki Saga, anyone?
I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--Blazer 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. Griffintown 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death.  If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it.  If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- Revolver Octopus 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

Vanessa Saga
My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --Robotnik 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
 * Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --Champthom 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

more saga sum up images
we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--Wintermute 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others

Tito saga
'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named Lovely Weather. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to The Wallflower? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --Champthom 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--Blazer 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

IRL Saga?
It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --AdderCress 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--Blazer 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * How about 'Reality Saga'? --Edward 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. Bill Lumburg 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--AdderCress 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
 * I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --OFSheep 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Flipnote Hatena saga
Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --Espanolic 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --Eniggy 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--Yoyoddd 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. Freecell 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. Bill Lumburg 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint somewhere.--Beat 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

PS3 Saga?
Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --SargentPickles 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

Missing Sagas
Why aren't the sagas caused by Joshua Martinez included on the saga list?
 * 1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --Champthom 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

On Sagas
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--Champthom 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)


 * Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called Ivy and the article on the Liquid Saga is called Liquid Chris. But then there are articles which are literally called Miyamoto Saga or Vanessa Saga, which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for Shigeru Miyamoto and Vanessa Hudgens. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are Template:BlancaSaga and Template:MeganSaga. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --Old meme 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
 * Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --Champthom 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
 * Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --Old meme 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

Individual Saga pages
I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --American Christory X 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
 * EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
 * I made a Tomgirl Saga page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --American Christory X 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
 * I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the Ivy page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the Liquid Chris page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--Champthom 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
 * I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - NegaCWC 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
 * i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
 * I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. Samboy 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

Second Exile saga?
Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--Germanicus 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

- I disagree. A time without content, I feel, shouldn't be considered a saga.--Fredinno 13:01, 3 Feburary 2014

Regarding the Catherine Saga
I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. Alan Pardew (talk) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
 * I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
 * Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --Champthom (talk) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


 * I have added some details to the Catherine and Sonic sagas, but I think that you are right about combining the Facebook saga point. A good deal of information from Catherine is not really typical trolling, but further information on Chris's condition as a Tomgirl and his general repulsive self. It may be a good idea to combine the two into some sort of saga, rather than having two separate sections.Kaltenbrunner (talk) 13:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Is there an "Ebay" Saga going on right now?
Considering all of the ebay stuff that has been going on for a while, like the situation with Mr. Smith, the Tribalism art, and such, should it be considered a saga? It's long enough to be considered as saga, but I'm wondering it there was enough content to validate it being called a saga. -Fredinno, Feb 3, 2014.


 * I think it would be best to make a Facebook Saga, as Champthom suggested above. Maybe Catherine could also be mentioned here too? And his return to his art. Kaltenbrunner (talk) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)


 * I disagree, but I'm beaten, 3 to 1. Oh well, I guess I'll combine those two together. Fredinno (talk) 05:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Tomgirl Saga vs Calling Out Saga
Should the Calling Out Saga be separated from the Tomgirl Saga? The two things, in my opinion, are very different from each other, and many people from the Cwcki Forums, including me, believe the two are different Sagas. Fredinno (talk) 05:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * You are right, they are two different things, but I think the reason they have been put together is because it's part of Chris's Tomgirl phase. I don't really think Calling Out qualifies as a Saga in its own right, so, personally, I would argue against giving it its own section. I am assuming it was added to give a bit more volume to the Tomgirl Saga, but, now that we have more information on Chris's Tomgirl antics, we could replace Calling Out with something else.


 * So, to link back to what we were talking about above, I guess maybe Catherine could go with Tomgirl - as Chris's first lesbian encounter. The eBay stuff could then go to a Facebook Saga because it marks a change in both Chris's personality, since he has become more withdrawn, and how he communicates, being far more paranoid and holding court only to a select few. Obviously, this withdrawal has also come about from Bob's death, and also why he is allegedly selling stuff on eBay because he claims to need the money more for him and Barb. So, here you can see a link between the change in Chris and why he has returned to making his artwork and selling stuff, but it also demonstrates a change in how trolling Chris has changed. Granted, he's still being trolled, but it's not as abrasive as it once was because it can only be done through eBay - again because Chris has cut off all contact.


 * Anyway, if you see the links there that I'm thinking of, you'll understand why I want to merge the eBay Saga with Facebook, plus I don't really think enough happened for it to warrant a Saga in its own right, but I haven't seen the pages on the wiki to document it so I could be wrong on that point. Let me know how you see it and how you think Chris's recent shenanigans would be best documented. Once everyone has discussed it we will probably have a good idea of the most efficient way of categorizing his recent behavior into Sagas. Apologies for wall of text,Kaltenbrunner (talk) 11:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Really, though I can agree with your statement that Ebay Saga should be merged with Facebook Saga, (since there were many miscellaneous Facebook posts important to Chrisdom and Christory, the two sometimes connect with each other via Chris, and the 'ebay saga' only contains 2 fiascos that were really funny). Catherine should probably be its own saga, in my opinion, due to that stuff being related directly to a new sweetheart, but I could understand why you want it to be included as a "Tomgirl Saga, Part 2" sort of thing. On the other hand, Calling Out really has a enough content in relation to it, to be a saga, but is too big simply to be left as not a part of any saga. Since it was cut short by Bob's death, it should be considered its own saga.

In summary, I believe we should merge Facebook and Ebay Sagas, maybe merge Tomgirl and Catherine, but decouple Calling out from Tomgirl. Fredinno (talk) 21:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

The Boxing Day Saga
Should there be a separate saga for SONIC'S ARMS ARE NOT FREAKING BLUE!!! I know that the saga is older than what I will now call the "Boxing Day GameStop Spritzing", but it has a nice, poetic ring to it. --Troll-chan Sonichu, 05/03/2015

No, That's Sonic Boom Saga. --Fredinno

Should the Tom Girl Saga end?
Since Chris has stated on facebook that she is no longer a male she is a transwoman, and a female, should the Tom Girl Saga come to a close? .--User:Sinistersnare 14:13, 7 March 2015 (PDT)

Is the Financhu Crisis worthy of a Saga?
chris has been begging for money for a while now, and with the mortgage of around $100,000 that barbara has to pay, i doubt it will end anytime soon. should it be made its' own unique saga? --Kettleonwater 8th September 2016 10:46am

I think so. Chris may have begged in the past for sex and his PSN account, but I am seeing a pattern recently of him begging for money. The Financhu Crisis Saga -galxylax 13 September 2016 20:06 PST

Just throwing it out there
I feel the next soon starting saga will almost undoubtedly be either The Trump Saga, or the Partyvan saga; since many have been reporting his archived death threats. --The World Is Yours (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say now. On one hand, the anti-Trump vitriol has reached levels of hatefulness on par with classic Chris's anti-gay agenda, and Chris's return to issuing death threats suggests that he's taken quite an exception to Trump's election. On the other hand, Chris is so lazy that unless the death threats/hate rhetoric become a regular thing (a la Financhu Crisis) or he takes overt actions to advance his agenda (a la Sonic Boom Protests), the whole issue may blow over after Trump takes office. There's been an issue in the past with Christorians jumping the gun on declaring new sagas. Sometimes they've called them right, other times it's turned out to be nothing. Also, the fact that so many of Chris's death threats have already been reported, publicly exposed, and even tweeted straight to Trump's Twitter with no retaliatory action taken makes it doubtful that there will be a party van saga.--Ujirat (talk) 23:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree with Ujirat here. Wait and see before declaring the Pmurt Saga. This has the possibility to explode into one of the most interesting sagas since the golden age, but right now, there's really nothing of interest that occurred since Eid, Pmurt, Eid and Feelings of the election results. The fumes are there, all we need is a spark.

Maybe if Sonichu restarts, he'll include Trump as a villain and Clinton as a Christ like figure? I don't know. All we can do is wait and see (and prepare the popcorn).

-Windows OS (talk) 23:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Edits to Megan and Game Place Sagas
Revised the Megan saga because it was described as the "first and longest" of the sagas when the Game Place saga ran a good six years longer than Megan's did. In the interest of the edit not being completely subtractive, the "longest saga" superlative was rewritten in the Game Place saga where it would be accurate. I suppose there's room for debate on it being the longest, though, since there is no exact date known as to when Chris started patronizing the Place, so it can easily be undone in that case. --Ujirat (talk) 01:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Update to 2017
It's been roughly a year since the last image was added. I'm working on an extension to the current timeline all the way to 2017, adding in the rest of the Selling out Saga, and adding in the Financhu Crisis. I was wondering if I should add in the Pmurt Saga, as some of you have dubbed it, or if there's anything else you all could think of to include it onto the list. You all have around three days before I upload the finished image. Navy (talk) 02:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't, as the Pmurt Saga is not yet official (and most people are opposed to it anyway; see the "Just throwing it out there" section above)

-Windows OS (talk) 02:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems fair. Then I'll just add the rest of the Selling out Saga, and the Financhu Crisis. Navy (talk) 03:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Doopie saga
If not much else happens with the saga by, say, the end of the year, should it be kept up?


 * Probably not. This definitely has potential, but there's the possibility it won't go anywhere like the Jeff, Johan, and Terra Strong debacles. A couple of videos by Chris or an escalation of his discourse with Doopie would solidify this as a saga to me. Otherwise, this wouldn't really be worth mentioning on this article. --Galilean (talk) 20:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, nah, sagas can't really be named until after the fact. I'm removing the doopie section until something funny happens. Canine (talk) 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
 * Recently, Doopie has been becoming subject to trolling mainly from interacting with Chris. PsychoNerd054 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Jessica saga?
Should Jessica Quinn be a saga?

I think it should be listed, as it's separate enough from the Doopie saga. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Ladyfriend Managers saga
There should be a saga entry for the trolling from 2015-2016, which included characters like Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen and Johan. Chris let it slip that he thought he had a manager at least twice - in December 2015 on Facebook and again in July 2016 |in a video. Given the timeframe, they were probably behind that content. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 11:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Reverted an edit which removed the Lady Managers for being too minor of a saga. I disagree - they influenced Chris for a while. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 07:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

Vanessa Saga
Is the Vanessa Saga really a "Saga?" it's just some random troll who chatted Chris a few times via AIM. It doesn't seem like a noticeable chapter in Chris' life to be a saga. - PsychoNerd054

2nd Exile Saga
I'm surprised that there is no mention of the 2nd CWC exile. I think it should be added. Larry the Larryhog (talk) 01:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

Timeline
Somebody needs to update the Timeline, that thing hasn't been updated since the Doopie Saga. - PsychoNerd054

Idea Guy
It's too soon to declare the idea guy saga over, we should probably wait say a month or so to see if Chris responds to the doxxing fiasco or if he's still under his control.

Does the Idea Guy saga really need to be extended to April? Wise has nothing to do with any of Chris' current shenanigans, and Dick Licker; that is I was apparently natural according to Shadow Resident. Either way, Wise doesn't have any place in recent Chris content. DirtyCrappedMiniskirt (talk) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)


 * I do have plans to rename the saga to the "Coercion" saga, or something similar, since lately, a lot of what Wise did has pretty much influenced a lot of people to continue fucking up Chris' already messed up psyche. In a sense, it does seem like somewhat of a continuation of the saga in question, we'll just see what happens for the rest of the month. For now, I've decided to rollback all of the edits I've made on the saga itself. PsychoNerd054 (talk

Explain the 'Lady Managers' and Pmurt Sagas
I get what in Chris's life they refer to, but I'm not sure whether they should count as sagas, and given that no one has filled in their sections on the page, I don't think I'm alone.

From what I understand the 'Lady Managers Saga' seems to be defined as a combination of Chris's interactions with Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen, and the "lady managers" themselves - but none of these events seem connected, and Chris never mentioned the lady managers in relation to either of the troll encounters. Do we know exactly what influence they had on him?

Calling Chris's comments on Trump a saga feels like a stretch; all they really illustrate is that Chris fairly mainstream political views, but behaves like a child when he doesn't get his way. Chris has made more political content since 2016, but the state of national politics has had no real impact on his life and he's never really acted on his anti-Trump hysteria. If he had written a bunch of left-wing diatribes into Sonichu or stayed home from Bronycon to bash the fash back in Charlottesville, I could understand, but he hasn't, so making a big deal out of it just feels like pro-Trump schadenfreude. While Chris's recent political views are fair game, they're already covered on the Chris and politics page.


 * Writing about the Lady Managers is tricky because they never released their info. We know they were active from December 2015 to July 2016, since Chris let slip at those times that he thought he had managers. The characters they came up have a common theme revolving around mocking or getting Chris to talk about his tomgirl lifestyle - Jeff/Francine was a parody of him and ADF, Sam and Ellen got him to talk about his frozen semen collection and fuck another blow-up doll on camera by framing it as a sex audition for who would get to impregnate them.


 * Chris took his hatred against Pmurt to a comical extreme. He wrecked toys as effigies on video, hanged Lego Trump and Pence, and made the death threat. I think it merits a saga because Chris was obsessed with him for a few months and the content was funny. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

Merging Idea Guy and Magi-Cryzel sagas
Evidence has surfaced which indicates that Josh Wise was responsible for both Idea Guy and the stuff that happened during Magi-Cryzel. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

Megan
I think the Megan saga ended in 2008, when she cut off contact with him. Chris may have raged about her / gotten nostalgic for her years later, but those are more of follow-ups rather than part of the core saga. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 23:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Null has done nothing
Given Chris' recent insane ramblings the consensus on KF seems to be that Idea Guy is back yet again. If Null was still being Chris' bodyguard wouldn't he have stopped this? He got Chris to forward all emails and texts so Josh or that Kentucky guy should have been spotted immediately identified by Null. He's been mum on this for a while too, he hasn't doxed a ween in ages. Homsar (talk) 23:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)


 * I never considered the "Guard Dog" saga to be true saga anyways. Also, we have yet to confirm his recent antics to be the acts of the Idea Guys. -Larry the Larryhog (talk) 01:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Null isn't the only bodyguard. The Captain seems to be the one who's talking with Chris the most right now. And like Larry said, it's not confirmed who the new trolls are, whether they're the original Idea Guys or someone else. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)


 * Though it is an ongoing saga, so if you want to include it, I'd suggest a new entry, "Magi-Chan saga", since the troll is posing as Magi-Chan. If it turns out to have been the original Idea Guys, we can merge it like how we did the Cryzel saga. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 21:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

Rewrite Dimensional Merge to focus on Teen Troon Squad
On other wiki pages, we have entries referring to both "Dimensional Merge" and "Teen Troon Squad," which refer to the same overall chain of events.

But the Merge is more of a subsection of Teen Troon Squad, since it's their idea. And in addition to the Merge, the Squad has also been releasing Idea Guy videos and their own screencaps of convos with Chris. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 12:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

Sagas prior to the Megan Saga
Since the Megan saga began prior to Chris's discovery, shouldn't we add high school and college as sagas? They were both important times in Christory, and since so many of his early antics happened at PVCC (i.e., the sign, Mary Lee Walsh, etc.), his college days should definitely be a saga. High school too, since that's where he created Sonichu and met his gal pals. Should I go ahead and add high school and college as sagas? AAE (talk) 22:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Based on the current definition of a saga:'an on-going trolling effort or other similar series of events that produces considerable drama over a period of time.', I do not think a high school saga would be appropriate. I do think that you could make a stronger case for a PVCC/Mary Lee Walsh saga since there was much more drama involved and the significant ways Mary Lee Walsh and Chris' time at college would influence his future life. Chris' college years are also the begining of the first online discussion of Chris, so I think a college saga would be important. Super Tom Nook (talk) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Potential MKRNightvee saga
Due to Chris more closely and more frequently associating with Meghan Ringo I think that there should be a saga dedicated to her. I think at this point MKR has been outed as a troll and Chris is convinced of her legitimacy. Thread on MKR's manipulative ways. - Super Tom Nook (talk) 3:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)


 * Too soon to call right now. So far, she's only had some set-up done. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 06:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

Chris' twitter lockdown
Would you consider his recent twitter actions as a potential 3rd Exile? Homsar (talk) 14:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

Timeline Update
Since the timeline graphic was last updated there have been sagas created that fall outside the 2005-2018 dates on the timeline graphic. Should I update the timeline graphic with all of the new sagas? Super Tom Nook (talk) 3:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

Soft Exile naming issue
The way this saga is centered around the exile, it could continue indefinitely if Chris keeps his new account protected. It might be good to refocus this to be about Chris freaking out over the blocking bronies instead - he just tweeted that he's done with the blocking drama, so assuming that holds true, then 22 February would be the end of this saga. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)


 * Looks like he's not over it quite yet https://i.imgur.com/QqJdGUl.png Homsar (talk) 07:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

Reinstate the Merge saga?
Chris is still mentioning the merge stuff and it seems like the Teen Troon Squad were just Idea Guy wannabes. Plus the Troon squad is no longer influencing him now. Homsar (talk) 14:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)


 * Agreed. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)


 * I too like this idea. AReasonableMan (talk) 03:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

Classifying some sagas as eras
From a discussion on the Tomgirl Saga talk page, we should reclassify some items on the Saga list as eras instead. An era could be defined as a set of events which could go on indefinitely, as opposed to a saga which is a story that eventually wraps up or fizzles out, and be filed under the same column as the Exile sections. Transgender (renaming Tomgirl), Financhu Crisis, Business, Dimensional Merge, and Soft Exile could classify as that. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure you have thought long and hard about this, but the exiles are already confusing to read after getting through the non-linear list of sagas. Further confusion comes from "Inter Exile Sagas" which are like Star Wars spinoff movies. I don't get it. The timeline graphic is long, and there is overall a lot to wade through. It would be nice to know all of what has happened and is happening at a glance. As for the word "era", it's accurate but less exciting than "saga". AReasonableMan (talk) 03:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

New Section: Pre-Christory
I was just thinking recently, shouldn't we have a section on Pre-Christory? I'd personally define it as the period before Chris became noticed by Encyclopedia Dramatica. Basically, it would be the period where Chris was still a goofball, but wasn't nearly as infamous. In that same section, I was thinking we should add a sub-section for his high school years, as that somewhat shaped who he is today, and it was a significant era in his life. It would also include the PVCC, Megan, and Adam Sagas.PsychoNerd054 (talk) 21:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

I don't think the Jacob Saga is over
With Chris appointing him as the overseer of his Patreon, the Twitter dialogue about wanting to share a kiss, and Jacob planning an alleged Halloween visit suggests that their interactions are far from over. It does seem that the rift from September 28 to now just seems like a lull, and most Sagas had lulls and I know of many that were prematurely given an end date during said lulls. Homsar (talk) 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

New Categories for Sagas.
For the past decade, sagas were put into two groups, ones for sweethearts, others for trolls. Considering that the Love Quest is now over, I think we might need a category for Chris' finances or one for his enablers. PsychoNerd054 (talk) 19:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
 * Sagas describe the content we get from Chris, and the Financhu Crisis, if looming in the background for quite a while, has certainly not been a running theme driving Chris's antics since 2017 or so. Begging is too related to unrelated, incidental expenses and satisfied by enablers too quickly for Chris to sustain output within a theme. ChanOfTartary (talk) 23:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

Enablers saga?
Should Enablers / Other enablers have a saga entry? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Why would we need to have an enablers saga? Doesn't the Dimensional Merge Saga kind of cover that? PsychoNerd054 (talk) 08:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)


 * I agree with PsychoNerd. Classic Chris had an epidemic of weens, and modern Chris has one of enablers. Neither wave of mimics deserves its own saga. ChanOfTartary (talk) 08:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Thetan
Maybe Thetan could be added to the Saga list. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 16:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I feel that Thetan's activities were too broad and far apart to qualify. I mean, she's essentially along the lines of Kim Wilson/Emily, but she doesn't have a dedicated saga. Superspongebobbros (talk) 18:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about Thetan's activities being too broad - those primarily revolved around posing as ex-classmates in 2013/14. She also did other things like impersonate the firefighter or be involved with the Catherine saga though those don't seem as significant as the classmate stuff. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
 * I see what you are going for in the sense of Thetan posing as Chris's former classmates, but I still feel that making an entire saga around her is unnecessary. Maybe something along the lines of a "Manchester High Reunion Saga" would be a better option. Superspongebobbros (talk) 19:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

Incest Saga
Continuing from this talk page, on second thought maybe we should split "Incest" to a sub-Saga called "Incest Leak Drama"? Leak Drama can house the tangential drama surrounding Bella/the Suitress/The WCT. Because those three weren't involved with the Incest itself so to label them as being part of the "incest" saga on their pages is a bit misleading. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * I feel like the "Incest Saga" was always primarily about both the Incest itself, and partly the drama that surrounds it. Even though Bella and the Suitress weren't directly connected to him fucking his mom, I still feel they played a very crucial role in the saga in that the former had essentially recorded Chris admitting to the act, and that the latter had leaked the parts of the call, which subsequently led to his arrest. I guess the stuff on WCT is probably better suited for the "Watchmen Saga"? Anything that's not directly related to Chris should not be summarized under there. Psycho (talk) 06:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Bella/the Suitress were what caused the Incest saga to end. I guess if we keep the incest saga intact and not split it, the part on the tangential drama could just be deleted - the paragraph about Bella's damage control (which is mentioned on her/the Suitress articles anyway). I agree with the point about The WCT because he was acting as a Watchman when he tried asking Bella for her side of the story and ended up getting manipulated into her sideshow drama which isn't really directly related to Chris. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Third Exile
Now that Chris has been transferred out of jail, should we consider renaming "Jail Saga" to the "Third Exile"? Because it doesn't seem we'll get that much out of the hospital. Psycho (talk) 02:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)


 * Is he still technically incarcerated, just at the hospital instead of a jail? He might return to the jail later. Maybe wait until whatever happens in July to clarify his situation. Or rename it now and rename it again in July if needed. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 13:59, 3 March 2022 (UTC)


 * In that case, I guess we can keep the name. If he goes back to jail, we can just add the date in which he's brought back. I just don't really see a "Nuthouse Saga" anytime soon. If by July he's still in the nuthouse, I say we rename it. Psycho (talk) 14:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

Everfree Northwest
At the moment, all of the stuff regarding Everfree is considered part of the Watchmen saga. I can't help but think we should move it to the Jacob saga, as a majority of the concerns regarding that event was about Jacob showing up there in disguise, and was basically the whole reason Chris asked Bella and the Suitress to accompany him. Any objections to this? Psycho (talk) 18:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)


 * Sounds fine. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

Nuthouse Saga Merge
Should we merge the nuthouse saga with the jail saga? Given it was such a short period of time, I feel like it's more accurate to describe it as an event of the jail saga rather than it's own listed period of time, as well as it being covered on the Jail Saga page already. SodaSpring (talk) 05:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)