Help talk:A Quick Guide to CWCki

Why I Made This
I'm sure to piss off half the people here for it but thanks to CWCki, I've become a bit of a wikifag and I now see why so many Ass Pies are admins over at Wikipedia. While we're not Wikipedia, we're still aiming to be a respectable wiki, even if it is a wiki devoted to an autistic manchild we love to hate and hate to love, and we should at least strive for very basic stuff (like notability guidelines, not editing an article about yourself, that sort of thing).

This isn't intended to be official, but just good guidelines. As anything else, this can be edited so if you disagree, you can edit it to make it better. I hope you all agree the need for some of these suggestions and edit it accordingly. --Champthom 02:24, 14 March 2009 (CET)

i love shiny marshtomp D:

in my pants

but seriously though i'll put this up on some...thing Clydec 05:39, 14 March 2009 (CET)

Dates
Linking them like "1 March 2009" saves the trouble of explicitly linking 2009#March. Also, it gives a list of back links which can be useful when maintaining lists. Axe 05:17, 3 May 2009 (CEST)

Ob the subject of dates, any way we can get it to display the current date in the format of DD MONTH YYYY with the month spelled out? the dd/mm/yy tends to confuse the hell out of people, as Eurofags might read 9/11 to think it's 9 November whereas an Americunt will read it as 11 September. Of course, if you say 11 September, the Eurofag will be like "Oh, that makes sense" and an Americunt will find it an alright way, as people sometimes say like "the [x]th of [month]." --Champthom 09:01, 11 October 2009 (CEST)

"When it comes to dates, be a Eurofag"
Should we really be doing this? Chris and most his trolls are American, after all; plus it just makes us look pretentious. --Espanolic 04:02, 30 August 2010 (PDT)
 * But this is an international standard and there can be no confusion, not to mention it's easier to link to months. --Champthom 17:29, 20 December 2010 (PST)

Images
We could use some images here, preferably ORIGINAL CONTENT, to illustrate points here.--Champthom 17:38, 20 December 2010 (PST) This is an example of my commissioned art. It's still better than most of DA. Freecell 18:00, 20 December 2010 (PST)
 * So like what, one image per section? Should it just be ASCII (e.g. "Sign your comments" has an image of 4 tildes) or do you want some stylized Wikipe-tan chibi shit (e.g. "When it comes to dates be a Eurofag" has Niggo-tan (working title) dressed as a Russian)? Freecell 17:50, 20 December 2010 (PST)
 * Some sort of drawing is what I was more feeling like, perhaps something incorporating [{CWCki-tan]] would be an interesting theme. More or less whatever you feel can convey the message best.--Champthom 16:59, 3 January 2011 (PST)

Grammar
I don't know if it really matters, but I recently became aware of a few differences between American and English grammar. For example, I was looking at this edit and noticed that the comma was placed inside the quotation mark ("Conventional" grammar, a.k.a. American), whereas here in England it would only be put in the quote if it was part of the source material being quoted ("Logical" grammar). Again, it's a pretty minor thing, but I guess it would be useful to know. Freecell (t/c) 05:12, 22 March 2011 (PDT)
 * This would probably be inclusive to "When it comes to spelling, be an Americunt," though the language could be broadened. Let's make it happen', capt'n.--Champthom 10:01, 22 March 2011 (PDT)

I agree with you 100%, i to have been noticing grammar flaws as well, and I'm going out of my way to condense articles and making the sentences roll off easily like a novel, I read a lot and people have looked at my reading abilities expectantly. --Beanmachine91 (talk) 01:43, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

to much illiteracy and mumbo jumbo big words that sound like immature filler!
If you have read enough books and novels like i have, you would see that there are many articles that look like they have been written by illiterate weens and the sentences/paragraphs don't roll off like they should. big words make you look pretentious if you use them when you don't have to. Besides, there is nothing wrong with technicality, it's obvious many editing guidelines were ignored, by the way I have been lurking long before I signed up. --Beanmachine91 (talk) 01:36, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Feedback: Pronouns and prominence
Hello again,

I wish to suggest adding a section about what pronoun we should use for Chris, because since the Tomgirl Saga, new editors who do not frequent Kiwi Farms or social media sites may be caught off-guard if they used the wrong pronoun (whether it is he, she or they). I understand that there are people like me who avoid social media, due to the recent antics of Facebook and others.

Also, I think the link to this page could be more prominent towards the top the homepage, particularly since we are allowing registrations again, and I hope the plans for the new layout will take that into consideration. When I can skip the captcha, I may have a go at designing the new home page.

Best wishes, --Little Owl (talk) 19:23, 18 April 2019 (UTC)


 * As the Quote of the Now (as of 18 April 2019) shows, most interested in Chris refer to him as male. Though there was some discussion a few years ago about either retroactively changing all references to be female (rejected because it would make Chris' previous comments on the homos even more baffling) or referring to post-Tomgirl Saga Chris as female, neither option was chosen and CWChronologists continue to refer to him as male for recent events. Discussion on Kiwi Farms and in comments to Chris' own YouTube videos concur in using his TRUE and HONEST gender. ChanOfTartary (talk) 03:06, 19 April 2019 (UTC)

After thinking this through, here is my proposed addition:


 * Use male pronouns for Chris


 * The current consensus between Christorians is to use male pronouns when writing about him. There was a proposal to at least describe Chris as a female from the start of the Tomgirl Saga, but there was no consensus.

I think the challenge is what sets Chris apart from other transgendered people, that causes the followers to continue using male pronouns. --Little Owl (talk) 09:44, 10 May 2019 (UTC)


 * What does set Chris apart from other transgenders? That is the all-important question. I have met a couple of them, but I have yet to meet Chris. Is there some mental thing that makes Chris delusional about this subject? Is there a line we should be drawing here? In Silence of the Lambs, Buffalo Bill was "not a real transvestite". Chris is every bit as crazy but also was/is doing hormone therapy if I'm not mistaken. AReasonableMan (talk) 12:44, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Chris is indeed legitimately transgender - he's consulted with a gender therapist who signed off on it. That said, I think it's best to keep using male pronouns for consistency. It'd be too difficult to edit 1,955 articles just for his preferred pronouns. Even if we only edit articles that occurred after Tomgirl saga, that's still a huge number, and it would cause articles that discuss pre- and -post Tomgirl (i.e., the Chris page) to jump between genders. As for Chris's followers, I think people tend to stick with male pronouns for a few reasons. His followers are there to laugh at Chris and so don't respect him enough to go against the grain and use female pronouns. Chris does a bad job at passing as female, so his followers don't really take it seriously. There's also a lot of nostalgia for the old days of Christory and for pre-trans Classic Chris, which colors people's perspectives. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 15:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I fired up my Sandbox and posted a draft, with the questions that I think need clarifying. --Little Owl (talk) 16:00, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

Some feedback on the draft:

"Chris performs poorly in living as a woman" - Yeah, that sounds pretty reasonable. "even if all the gender stereotypes were eliminated; (TODO: How?)" - I am confused by this part. I think gender stereotypes are outside the scope of the CWCki and Sonichu, unless you mean gender stereotypes specifically regarding Chris. (?)

"Chris has a long history of lying, which continues to this day;" I think Chris is mostly convicted of Chris's beliefs, or even if Chris isn't, Chris puts on a good show and Chris's female identity is IRL canon as far as I'm concerned.

"There is a lot of nostalgia for the Original Chris and the Original Sonichu, before things really went downhill." - Classic Chris, yes, but how has the Sonichu character changed? If you mean the comic, it's always been a bumpy ride and my only complaint with its current incarnation is the textwalls.

"The consensus should not be taken to mean that the CWCki opposes LGBT rights in general." - I think that goes without saying. Being PC doesn't help the CWCki; we're not activists, we just have unconventional tastes. AReasonableMan (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

We should probably also hammer out some pronoun policy for other trans people. There are a few written about here, like Nowacking and the Teen Troon Squad. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:14, 10 May 2019 (UTC)

I thought the Teen Troon Squad were slanderous trolls rather than true and honest trannies. I'm often confused about how in-universe we're supposed to be writing considering the variation in tone between the anti-Chris alogging articles and (for instance) Reggie Fils-Aimé. There should be consensus on what the "truth" is for the benefit of savvy readers and Chris. AReasonableMan (talk) 18:58, 10 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I do have a reputation of trying to be very understanding to others in real life, nevertheless I am happy to consider the recommendations of the CWCki: that's the point of drafting. ;-)
 * Is there a firm position regarding the Troon Squad? In any case, check back on my draft from time to time as I am working on it. --Little Owl (talk) 09:55, 11 May 2019 (UTC)


 * The Squad members are really trans, or at least Lukas is. Lukas has an official name change. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 10:33, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
 * I think we’ll stick with Chris for now. Maybe you know more about the other two than I do. --Little Owl (talk) 10:45, 11 May 2019 (UTC)

British English and the CWCki
Seeing the correct spelling for realising in the Quote of the Now had inspired this. Chris sometimes uses the British spellings, when he is aware that they exist. Many of us, our king included, are Eurofags. May I suggest that we stop prescribing US spelling in the style guide? ChanOfTartary (talk) 18:25, 25 July 2019 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that many users here and Chris himself are American, so American spelling will have to be the norm because many activities are still based around this great nation. Another thing, Chris's usage of British spelling is considered a recent phenomenon thanks to Catherine and many of his earlier works are in American spelling.-Larry the Larryhog (talk) 18:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)

Repealing the "Cite only publicly available media" rule
Should we repeal this rule? The CWCki already has emails and direct messages involving Chris that aren't really publicly available anyway. And a lot of stories about Chris were summarized from people in contact with him rather than from his own public postings. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:00, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


 * I have to agree, we are moving towards DMs being used more and more. I've already asked some of the people Chris is in contact with to keep leaking the DMs to me. - klop (talk) 02:10, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

British/American spellings revisited
While consistency is nice, the ideal policy is as follows:

1. Both British and American spellings are allowed on the CWCki, with authors allowed to choose based on their dialect or preference, as long as the intended meaning is comprehensible by Americans, British people, and most other fluent English speakers.

2. Changing spellings from British to American (and vice versa) is allowed, but edit warring and passive-aggressive comments should not be.

3. Chris is an American but began using some British spellings in 2014. The majority of trolls are American, but a sizable minority are from the rest of the world.

AAE (talk) 06:26, 11 November 2021 (UTC)
 * That's stupid, you're changing a rule that's been in place forever just because you don't want to use American spelling and grammar. Good username (talk) 23:58, 12 November 2021 (UTC)