Kacey Call 6

Kacey Call 6 was the sixth Kacey call, and took place on 31 August 2009.

Summary

 * Chris thinks he defeated a troll by calling him back and telling him to shut the fuck up.
 * Chris claims that if he went to IHOP with his parents, it would "mess things up" because they're using their senior discount to buy Chris sandwiches.
 * Chris attempts to start a conversation about Hannah Montana. Kacey says it's for 12 year old girls, Chris thinks it's pretty good and wants to buy the show's movie on Blu-ray.
 * Chris shifts over to his college days. His first good memory is the time a hypnotist came and included Chris in his act.
 * Chris was in touch with his "girl crush" Kellie Andes for a while after graduation; recently he found out she's married with two children.
 * Chris made a few friends and acquaintances at PVCC, "but they kinda came and gone", especially after he got kicked out of English class. He "became shy" after that.
 * Chris talks about a teacher, or as Chris calls him "this one black guy" at PVCC, and how upon first being there he "had bad vibes about him".
 * Chris was happy to graduate from PVCC, because "It felt more like a Hellhole than Heaven". Chris was sad to graduate from High School, because he didn't receive any awards.
 * Chris watched Labyrinth because it's Kacey's favorite movie. Kacey brings up David Bowie's infamous "bulge" in the movie; Chris gets uncomfortable and tries to change the subject because he is STRAIGHT.
 * Chris suddenly tard rages because a troll keeps calling him. He doesn't understand why he keeps calling after Chris told him to stop.
 * Kacey asks what books Chris has read recently. He of course says Pamela Anderson's Star, then admits he hasn't read anything else. Kacey tells him he should read Catch 22, which Chris thinks is a kind of "sexual touch".
 * Chris tries claiming that he has multiple personalities. Kacey tells him he's full of shit. He then says he just now changed over to his other personality, so now he's Christopher instead of Christian. Kacey isn't taking his stupidity seriously, so Chris suddenly backtracks and says he just made up this multiple personality shit to mess with the trolls.
 * Chris has been taking Lipitor for the last two years to keep his cholesterol down. He's like, "It was optional, but I thought it was a good idea". Kacey is concerned, as that medicine is meant for older people and somebody who's 27 shouldn't have to worry about their cholesterol. Chris talks about the foods he eats, only digging himself deeper with him mentioning the fast food and frozen dinners he frequently eats.
 * Chris says he walks about half an hour a day around the neighborhood, and thinks this is "strenuous".

Transcript
Chris: Hello?

Kacey: Hey Chris, it's Kacey.

Chris: Hi Kace, how are you?

Kacey: I'm okay, just a little tired from work, how are you?

Chris: Uh, I'm okay, I'm a little too tired from uh, being trolled.

Kacey: Aw.

Chris: I keep answering incoming calls from the trolls. Uh, especially, uh, to- Especially, uh, you know, incoming calls from the one... troll who pretended to be an employee over at GAME FACKS [sic] dot com- You know, G-A-M-E F-A-Qs, uh... Anyway, uh... They say- Anyway, they say it was the guy that's been ordering all the uh, free catalogs and boxes and what-not, sending 'em to my house with the stupid Ian Brandon Anderson name on the address. Uh, yeah but I'm handling that and dealing with-

Kacey: Well you should tell them to fuck off and leave you alone. I mean...

Chris: I'm sorry, what?

Kacey: You should tell 'em to fuck off and leave you alone. They won't be expecting that.

Chris: Yeah, my father- My father did tell them that. Actually, after we got home from the uh, church yesterday, he told 'em that. And they called a couple more times today and he's finally giving up.

Kacey: Yeah but you shouldn't be bothering your father with that, I mean YOU should be able to do it.

Chris: Yeah well I mean-

Kacey: You should be able to fight your own battles.

Chris: Yeah I mean- I mean, he's been calling the house phone and my father- And my mom and dad have been ans- Have been monitoring his calls with their caller I.D. which is downstairs. In their lair only.

Kacey: Well then they shouldn't pick up either.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hm. Yeah well mostly they do not pick up. Uh, anyway, also this, uh, guy... that pretends to be a legal rep from- from uh, Bandai, Bandai or something... Yeah he's practically calling non-stop, and that's just been- That's just been bothering to me. I finally- I finally managed to to, uh- I think I finally shut him up though. Uh, yeah-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I think you should just keep telling them to fuck off, I think you need to take a better offensive stance on this. They're not going to expect that from you, you just need to be like... Like, just be strong.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, you think I haven't tried telling 'em to uh, to back- to back the fuck off, I have done that before.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah but you really have to be a man about it, you need to really say it in a tone, you can't show them any fear, any whining or anything, you need to just WOW them.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. Yeah well anyway, I think I finally got- I finally got the Bandai guy to shut up, I, uh, you know, I called him back and I told him to call toll-free HIS phone number, OR shut the fuck up and stop calling my cell phone number. And then I said goodbye and hung up on him.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, that's a good start.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. [Forced laugh] Yeah, so anyway, um...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well if you've got their numbers you should call back and do that yourself, I mean, don't wait for them to come on your turf, you need to show them you mean business.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, they have your number anyways, it's not like it would hurt.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, I should definitely be calling 'em back and telling 'em to, uh... Yeah. I will do that. Uh, but anyway-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, shouldn't let them take control of you. You need to control THEM.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Turn the tables, you know.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. I will do that. I will do that, but any- Yeah. Anyway, something else on my mind, my father and I were planning on going down to Social Security tomorrow or Wednesday, talking about what they can do for us with the, uh, job and all that.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well that's good, I mean it is on the website though, so it shouldn't harm you, but maybe they'll have someone who can help you through, but remember, don't let them do everything for you, and you should probably do it tomorrow, you know... Just because, I mean why not get it done as soon as possible?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. Well-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Get it done faster.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That will surely show those trolls.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. You know one thing though, uh... I would do it myself but unfortunately I don't know the right questions to ask, my father is the one that has- has more knowledge about that sorta thing, so yeah. But definitely like, uh-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But you need to get the knowledge. So, YOU should be doing this, your dad can't do this for you, this is about you being independent.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah I know, but I don't know the right questions to ask.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, they're gonna show you what you have to do, I mean the... It's common sense what questions you're gonna have to ask. Like, "How much can I make? How many hours can I do?" this is stuff you already know, you shouldn't sell yourself short.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Or ask your dad beforehand. Don't make him do it for you, just be like- See you don't even have to ask him, just be like "Do you have any suggestions?"

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah I-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: This is something that you need to do yourself.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah I need to ask suggestions, yeah. I should probably ask him to write down the right list of questions for me. But then he'll probably- Then he'll likely insist on wanting to come and, uh- Yeah, come along anyway. And plus like, you know, yeah, my mom's just finally offered me to, uh, to uh, to drive her car today, but unfortunately I had to let her drive, yeah, she was going to IHOP, and I wanted to do some- get some drawing done at the mall while we were out, uh, cuz you know, if I'm not going to [indecipherable] family, but they would drop me off at the mall while they're at IHOP, cuz if I go with them to IHOP that will mess up their uh, senior discount deal. And then they might not be able to get me the sandwiches that I would have- The sandwich I would have that night. It's a pretty good sandwich, by the way.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You got a sandwich from IHOP? That's like, the International House of Pancakes.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah well, my family gets like a senior discount, and uh...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But what does that have to do with pancakes, it's pancake house!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Laughs] Well, they sell sandwiches there. Heh, I mean-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But, you go to IHOP for pancakes...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Heh, well I'm sure my mom and dad would have eaten pancakes themselves there, but I mean I don't know, but you know, it's their- Order pancakes at the uh, International- Over at the IHOP... [Uncomfortable laugh] I don't know... Plus, I don't know all the details of the uh, senior citizens discount, though anyway if I went with them there, uh, it would just mess things up. I mean I know we- We know, we tried it once before, and they- Yeah, it just really messed it up.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Messed what up?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: The senior discount deal.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Oh.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I mean the people at the, uh, restaurant place are, uh, fairly strict.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah I'm surprised they even have a senior discount deal, I mean my restaurant doesn't.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, but it's like once a week though. Only on Monday nights.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, well back to the Social thing, I mean... I think you need to tell your parents that this is something you need to do, you need to face the world on your own. It'll be a great learning experience for you and you'll be with people who are there to help you. So it's not gonna hurt you or anything.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Alright, we'll I'll- I'll talk to my father and see- See if he'll write me the correct list of questions and let me go by myself.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean plus they're gonna take you a LOT more seriously if you're coming to them yourself. They're gonna look at you with your parents and they're gonna be like, "This guy doesn't want help." They're gonna... not help you. They're going to do it resentfully.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hm. Yeah.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean that's just the way the world works, unfortunately, that's the way they're gonna see it.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah it's like a dog eat dog world, well you're right, I see- I see- I see it from your point of view, I get it. Hm. Anyway, I- Anyway, let me, uh- Anyway, uh... Anyway, other than that, I did come up with some nice, uh, discussion topics that you and I could talk about. You know, like a couple of days ago, but then uh... Then you brought up the maturity, telling me all that... It's like I couldn't get the, uh, conversation topics I managed to write-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay well if you have them, go ahead and bring them out, that'd be cool.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Alright. Alright, well... Here's a good one, uh, let's talk about my feelings on Hannah Montana, your feelings- Your, uh... We could- we could further your- Your- Destination of your feelings about her. And that show.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Oh, um, well, Hanna Montana's like a guilty pleasure for me, because you know, it's a show for like 13-year-old little teeny-boppers, and I really shouldn't be watching it.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Heh.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But, I mean, it's cool, Miley Cyrus is so talented.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Well I mean I-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But it's really for teeny-bopper girls.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah well I mean, I've only seen like a couple of episodes of the show, yeah, but from what I recall, you know, yeah, she's- she's pretty good. But it's like you know, I mean I could get into like, you know, watching more of the show myself, I just uh, hadn't really gotten around to it, or... Just hadn't really felt like it but it's like you know, I could. I mean you know they released season one on DVD, plus they have the uh, movie on Blu-Ray, I could rent that, or... rent the season one or whatever.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Right.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh... but anyway yeah-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Remember how I said I wanted to talk about more ADULT topics, and I just mean mature topics? Do you have any of those?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh... Well, kind of, we could talk about college- We could talk about my college days.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, go ahead.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: You know, just uh- I mean I could reminisce a bit about uh... You know, between high school days and eventually leading on to college days. Got the rundown here (?)... Let's see...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay well tell me about college.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Um... Yeah, okay, I only have like a couple of good memories from my college days, like uh, you know... Uh, there was this one time, where uh... This good- Where this hypnotist came in, and uh, he- And then I- And then he let me uh, get up on stage and be one of the uh, subjects. But it's like, I wasn't really hyp- I wasn't really hypnotized. But I, like, played along with it, I mean I actually knew what was going on.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: And I think uh... Hang on, let me see if I can remember what happened. Um... Yeah I think at one point, uh... He wanted me to, like, insult him a little bit, when he said a cue. And it's like, uh... Yeah, it's like yeah, okay, I got it, when you say the word you'll want me to insult you, and it was like I couldn't- I tried to think of a good insult but I don't know, I just came up with like you know, just calling him "Uncle Screwey Louie". [Waits for Kacey to laugh]

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Ohh.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Laughs] I don't know why that- That little- He just.. Just a silly stupid name. Uncle Screwy Louie. Heh.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah. [Laughs politely]

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah then like you know, later he's like you know, oh, then everyb- Then he says, like you know, he says at a certain point everybody opens their eyes and then... It's like- We're supposedly like to see everybody... naked- Everybody in the audience naked, and freak out or something. It's like, uh, you know, I- I opened my eyes and I didn't really see anybody naked, I saw everybody with their clothes on. But it's like you know, I played along and I just sat there and smiled. Heh. At the ladies in the audience. [Laughs] Yeah. And then he says like you know he gave me another cue like yeah, "Chicago", then everybody- Then we all- Then we all danced. A little bit.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh-huh.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: And it's like I did my fill of dancing, he touched my shoulder and told me to sit down, there you go. Uh, I think that was pretty much- I think that was pretty much it as far as I can remember from that day.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That's cool.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, anyway, uh, anyway another- Anyway another good memory I have from the college days is like you know I participated in a quiz sh- In uh, this one time, in a quiz show event. Uh... It was like you know, one of those remote con- One of those things where they hand you a remote control and you answer the- and you answer the uh, questions while you're in a seat. And if you're amongst the uh, top four scorers you get to go to a- You get to go and uh, be one of the uh, buzzers on the panel to uh, win the mon- win the prize money. Try and win the prize money. Uh, obviously I did not even get up there- I did not even get the chance to get up there, but, you know, I tried anyway.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, at least you tried, that's all you can ask for.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. Oh, another thing I uh, feel like I should mention, uh, remember- I think I remember telling you a little bit about my high school crush Kellie An- Kellie Andes?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh-huh...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, uh, after we graduated I was in touch with her for like about a year and a half after that, and then it's like I- I missed calling her one weekend, and then it's like I sorta- I lost the habit. And then like a- And then like a couple of months- A couple of months, uh... earlier recent- Couple of months ago recently, I found that she had been... Excuse me. She had been married and she has like, one or two children. So...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Oh.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: That's good for her then, anyway. But it's like you know, uh, I, you know, after I stopped the uh, habit my mom made me- My mom told me like you know- Oh yeah I can tell from like, you know, just from looking at her like, like in... The prom... The, uh... Yeah she was obviously already taken by this- By some guy. And it's like- I was like oh my God, I was in shock for a while. I think it was like for a couple of weeks or a couple of months. Maybe- Yeah, somewhere between there.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [Not really listening] Oh that's cool.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, but anyway, I lost touch with her and that was like a downfall. Uh, I've made a few friends and acquaintances since uh, Piedmont. But they kinda like came and gone. And it's like you know, mostly like GONE, because since, you know, after- Especially gone since after February 24th 2003, which was- that was the, uh... 21st birthday I got kicked outta the English classroom, so it's like you know, I couldn't make- I just didn't- I uh, just didn't feel like- I just didn't... I just became shy, and didn't make as many friends as I was able to beforehand. And then the uh, and then the uh, Sweetheart Search and Mary Lee Walsh, uh... Going on and all that. And then I got banned for a year and the anger management and the... I got the anger management from the uh, psychiatrist's class, I think I told you about that. Uh, but anyway, I, um... It also- Also, I told Kim about this part, but uh... You know, during my, like my last seme- My- My last, uh, couple of semesters... Before I got my diploma, um... Instead of my teacher being this, uh- Being this nice, uh... woman teacher I knew, uh... It was this one black guy. Just one black [indecipherable, probably something racist]... But he was just like uh, you know, upon first meeting him, I- I had bad vibes about him. And... And yeah, I was right- I was right with that cuz you know, he- He and I just never saw eye to eye. And he picked more arguments, almost as much as my father.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh, okay, so you thought this guy was like your father?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh... No, no, no, I did not consider him like my father, I'm just saying that like you know, he picked about as many arguments, and pushed a nu- pushed a number of buttons, about as much as my father did. And it was- it just- it just really made me angry at him-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, what sort of arguments were they about? What were they like? I mean, a teacher shouldn't do that.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, like you know, he was contradicting my work, and this was also in the uh, last-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Are you sure he wasn't giving you constructive criticism? He is a teacher...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Well- Yeah, it wasn't really constructive criticism, it was just mostly put-downs and what-not.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, well what did he say?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: He's just like, uh, "No, this is not right, do it over, bla bla bla bla bla..."

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That's not putting you down, that's teaching!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, but still, he was- His tone of voice was really- It was like- It was full of anger! And- And I just did not- I just did not like that I-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well how many times did he have to tell you that, I mean I'd be angry too if someone kept making the same mistake...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah but, you know, I'm not- I'm not one to repeat mistakes, and I was like doing this... really big project in my final semester. The big plans to make- The big Computer Aided Drafting and Design plans for my Cwcville Shopping Center, two stories, all the stores and the mayor's office!

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, I think he was just trying to help you. I mean, he's teaching, he wants you to pass. He doesn't want you to fail.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah well I- I mean, I did finish it. Ended up getting a passing grade, but still, you know, I did not like his tone of voice! The way he carried on as such.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well did you tell him that? Did you tell him that you appreciated his criticisms, but maybe he should, uh... watch his tone?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, yeah, I don't remember exactly but I think I might have thanked him for his- uh, for uh, you know, being a teacher and that- and that sort of thing. Uh... Yeah I don't think I talked- I don't think I talked to him about his tone of voice.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, maybe that's just the way he talks, I mean did he talk that way to the other students?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, no he was- He talked more calmly. He talked more calmly to the other students, I actually observed.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well what'd you get in the class?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I ended up getting like a... You know, a passing a grade like an A- Like an A or a B.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, an A and a B is a really big difference. And, you know, passing- The only thing that isn't passing is one failing grade, so you know... That's, well...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hm.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: At least you passed the course.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah I passed the course, got my degree, but anyway, when I got my diploma then at the graduation ceremony, I mean like, I was only too glad to leave that Piedmont Virgina College, cuz you know, I had no new friends- I had no new friends that I would be leaving behind. And I had the bee-yotching Mary Lee Walsh. And then the-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I thought that it wasn't her- I thought you apologized about that, and stuff.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, uh- This- Yeah, I mean- This was like, only a couple of months ago... And, I like- Up to two months ago...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, then you should probably stop referring to her as that. You know, let it go. Let the past go.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Annoyed grunt] Anyway the point was, I was only too glad get- to graduate from Piedmont, 'cause anyway, I just per- just personally, it felt more like a hellhole than heaven. Felt more like Hell.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But... It's school, what do you expect?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hmm. Anyway but, I think a big difference though is like, you know, Manchester High School, I definitely have more... positive memories from there, like you know and I did have all my friends. And it's like you know, when I did graduate, I was just sad to leave all my friends. And the all- And all- And all- And all that. Plus, like you know, I didn't, uh, get an award for my creativity, even though I was very creative and I was like... I was highly commended- I was highly commended upon that, at- at- at that moment.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, I think you've told me this before.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Ignoring/talking over her] But uh, I did not- I did not- I did not get an award at the end. During the award ceremony, that whole graduation mess just... Yeah. Between the award and-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well remember, like I said, high school stuff really doesn't matter. Not in the real world.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Groan] Maybe not, but it makes you feel better about yourself, talks yourself up, from- to how you feel...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Why would you need that to feel good about yourself? You should feel good about yourself, period-dot-the end. You don't need an award, that's stupid. That's putting faith in material things, when you you should be putting faith in yourself.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah I did, I mean, I did have faith-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, you got to graduate, you got the best reward of all.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, I did- I did have faith in myself. It's just like you know, I felt like, you know, they did not see me as worthy of getting an award at that time, it's just like you know...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [Talking over him] You shouldn't think of it like that, maybe just, you know, other people deserved it. You can't win everything!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah it's like, as if they were telling me like, they had no faith in me.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That doesn't mean anything! If you said you were commended, then you were commended, just 'cause you don't get an award, doesn't mean that you're not awesome, I mean, that's childish. That really is, you shouldn't need an award, and you shouldn't feel that they have to give it to you.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uhh...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Maybe someone else really deserved it.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Annoyed stress noises]

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, you weren't the only one who didn't get an award.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Well, I know, I was not the only one who didn't get an- Well, actually, that's not really true, 'cause I got like... a star, for my grades. My Honor Roll grades. A star pin. But yeah- That's just- That's just like, you know... That's SMALL in comparison to these BIG awards, and I just felt like you know, oh, I'm looking forward to like-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I don't think it's a big award, I mean did they get money or something? If they didn't, it's not a big deal. They get a piece of paper, oh wow, it's a piece of paper that they probably don't even have anymore, it's probably lost.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I wouldn't have- I would not have lost my piece of paper if I had gotten it.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I really don't think it's as important as you say it is, and you shouldn't put that much stock in it. I mean...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Anyway, yeah... I mean I don't put- I don't put as much into it back then, as I- Uh, I don't put as much nowadays. Into that, I just you know-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You shouldn't hold a grudge against that, I mean you're 27. You should get over it. High school is over. It's been over.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, I mean I-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You have one year until your ten year reunion, I mean it's DONE. Done deal.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, I'm sorry, I didn't understand the beginning of that sentence, you said something about the reunion?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, I mean, that's just showing how much time has passed.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hm. Yeah.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: So you should totally get over it. You don't wanna go there and, you know, talk about this, so people go, "Oh my gosh, this has been over, what are you talking about?" You wanna be adult.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah... [Long pause] But I think that if, still, if I had've gotten an award, I would've felt- I would definitely have felt more- I could've felt a lot better, and much easier, to like you know, leaving high school behind. Like cuz you know, it was definitely more about leave- Me leaving my friends behind.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, I mean, just because you get out of high school doesn't mean you shouldn't keep in touch with your friends. Just leaving high school, it should be a good thing, because you're going on to bigger and better things.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. [Long pause] Yeah. Hm, you know I actually wanna talk about an adult thing, let's just talk- like you know, uh... Uh, how do you deal- Uh, it's like you know, you have your- You have your well-thought moments to yourself, and then you think- And then you think you don't go off (?) if you appreciate the uh... older things, and uh like you know, like- like the uh, older music and the older movies that you watch. You know, you better- You better appreciate them as an adult, cuz you- Rather than as a child, because you couldn't really understand it, it's like you know, recently I watched some- Recently I re-watched some [???] Brothers, and- and- and I have a better adult understanding of the movie than I did when I watched it there a number of times since I uh, was a child or a teenager. Uhh, what are some of the things that you reminisced about, that made you feel better? Or... And you felt, more better when you viewed it as an adult.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I'm sorry I didn't get that, could you repeat that?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah... Some of the things that you used to, uh think about when you were a child, but then you kinda thought about as an adult and further appreciated as such. Uh, what were some of those things?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [Long pause]

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Did you understand that? Kacey?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Um... Uh... Not much.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Not much. Okay... Hm, okay, um... It's like- Okay, what was the, uh, favorite movie of yours that you watched when you were younger? When you were young.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Um, it's still Labyrinth. I mean, Labyrinth is a pretty old movie.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Oh, by- Yeah oh by the way I watched- Anyway I rented it and watched it last night, it is a good movie.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You watched it? Oh, cool!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah. All the complex- All the complexities, and uh... That made it like you know, yeah I think knowledge would be [???] you know. I like the part in the beginning with the uh, maze. Like, oh yeah, you think it's a wall, but then it's actually like you know, it's actually a space between the vines that's just- It's just like a visual illusion right there.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: So what do you think about Jareth? I mean, Jareth was my favorite.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Oh yeah, David Bowie played him. Yeah, he's okay-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Oh my gosh, I know, he coulda stolen me any day.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: He coulda stolen you any day? What, like as a little baby?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well, no, obviously not, but I mean, he was... He was- Oh, that fucking bulge! Ooh.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Well, I mean that's- I mean, the uh- Yeah. You would- You would be impressed by that, but as a guy, I'm not totally impressed with that.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [Trying not to laugh] Why not, it's David Bowie! Everybody loves David Bowie!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah well I'm str- Yeah well it's like, you know, uh... I don't wanna go into that, it's just like you know, just... Yeah. But, yeah, I'm straight.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But still, it's not like you can't appreciate.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: But I mean it's like you know, I appreciate his- I appreciate the way he sang, and yeah, he sang pretty good. But yeah I mean, then you go reference- referencing his BULGE. And then, that's like WHOA-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, just because you can say another man is attractive or hot, doesn't mean you're gay, like I can easily say another GIRL is hot or attractive, and appreciate her for her womanly things, and it doesn't mean that I want to have a relationship with her.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uhhh, yeah but anyway- Uh, from my point of view though... Uh, definitely... have not really given it much- given it all that much though, and... Ahh, I don't- At this point I just don't feel like I could... care to really change my mind otherwise.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh, okay.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: But I liked how, uh, Jen- How uh, Jennifer played her role as the, uh, girl who went through da maze. That was pretty good. <font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh-huh.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: And then made the- And then made the friends along the way, like uh... Yeah she had that- That yeti-like guy, I think his name was, like, Yorda or something like that? <font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh, close enough, heh.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I'm sorry, what?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I said close enough.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Heh, close enough, okay. Yeah I kinda liked him, and... Oh yeah, there's like... I bet- You know, he keeps- He kept calling Hoggle, "Hogwart"? That's where- I bet that's where the author of Harry Potter got that- got that word. From that movie Labyrinth.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I don't know if that's where she got it, but... That's a good theory.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Chuckles] Yeah. It is a good- Yeah it is a good theory. But, a lot of things in life, you know, start off as theories until proven right or wrong. But then it's- Like you know, then it's- If I wanted to actually prove that right or wrong just from my point of view it's like, I don't know, I would uh, probably- I would probably go- would go look on Wikipedia for, uh... Harry Potter or whatshername, the author, I know it's a woman, I forget what her name is but because I didn't know I never came up with-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: J.K. Rowling.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah that's it, J.K. Rowling, thank you. Uh, but anyway. Yeah I never cared mu- I never cared for Harry Potter. No, but anyway- Uh... anyway what were we talking about- Oh yeah, proving theories, yeah I could just try looking it up on Wikipedia and see what they say on there. [Long pause]

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh, I don't know, I don't think she's ever admitted something like that.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah okay, well then yeah she- She may or may not have actually she- She may or may not seen Labyrinth, but I don't know, that's uh, one thing or another, um... Uh, but yeah, I've been still, you know, yeah, David Bowie played his role-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Why do you not like Harry Potter? I mean, have you ever read the books? I actually enjoyed them. Like, I thought a lot better of it after I read the books.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, I tried reading one of the books, but it's like I could not really get into it. And originally I did not like Harry Potter very much cuz... Harry was like, uh, in league- In competition with Pokemon. And-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Not it's not, it's two totally different worlds. It's way more advanced than Pokemon.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh... Yeah but, yeah... Yeah but, this was like- This was like years ago, I don't remember all the details, so I guess it's like, uh... I don't know, it's like you know, I'm still saying I hate- I don't like Harry Potter that much... But it's like- But it's like, I forgot the original reason why- [suddenly starts yelling] I WISH THIS STUPID INCOMING CALL WOULD- Ugh, that Bandai guy keeps getting- That Bandai person there keeps calling me back, that... It's like, you know, the beeping is- The beeping of his incoming call is just interrupting... the conversation, it's like you know, at points it's like the beeps interrupt you when you're talking and it's just like, it bothers me, I wish this guy would QUIT. I mean why doesn't he get through is skull- through his fuckin' skull I mean I told him right off when I called him back, that he was like- that he was just calling toll-free- "Call my- call your number toll-free but quit calling my number, shut the fuck up goodbye," I wish- I thought he was gonna- I thought he was gonna quit 'cause he hasn't called for like, five or ten minutes, then he starts calling again and interrupting the conversation with you!

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, he should have way more respect, I mean, obviously you weren't answering for a reason.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, what- 'Cause you know, 'cause I'm not- 'Cause I know he's a troll. And I don't- I've already established that I know that he's a troll. And I asked him to- And I asked- And I pretty much just forced- I pretty much, uh, raised my voice against him and told him to stop, but he's continuing on and on!

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That's... That's horrible, he shouldn't do that.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You're gonna have to be more firm with him.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Stress noise] Yeah. It's like you know, what- It's like you know, what I was saying is just I'm not exactly sure what to say, other than what I've already said.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Right, well I mean, let's go back to better things. Um... If you don't like Harry Potter, what books have you read recently?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: The last book I read was Pamela Anderson's Star. I thought that was a good story, for what she did.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Oh, I've never read that one.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Oh yeah it's a good story, it's like, basically, she's like- It's like a book about- It's like, uh, as if she was writing her own life, but she was like renaming the characters, renaming herself Australia (?). Which is like you know, it's like-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That sounds crazy, I mean, I wouldn't put much stock in what Pamela Anderson does anyway, it's like when Courtney Love tried to do a manga, it's like, no thanks.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hm. Well it's not- I mean, like you know, yeah... You know, it showed that Pamela Anderson was definitely a smart woman, it's like you know, I wanted to appreciate her as, you know-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I'm pretty sure she had a ghost writer. I'm pretty sure she did.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: No, it- No, I- She pretty much- I do believe she said so herself, she wrote the book herself.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That's all publicity.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Anyway, still- Still, I've read the- I've read most of the book, and I- and I've enjoyed it. It's a pretty good story.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I know but like, celebrities never write their own books. They just don't have time. They just slap their name on it. I mean, uh, how about any other books?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uhhhh... Yeah, other than that- Other than Star, I haven't read- I haven't read too many other books. [Long pause] Uh, it's like you know, I've either- either been watching- I've either been watching television or playing video games... Uh, other than Star I haven't read a book since I-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You know what you should read, you should read Catch-22.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I've heard of th- I've heard of Catch-22.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: It's a great, great book.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I've heard that- Yeah, oh you know, that reminds me of this joke I heard Pamela Anderson- On the show Pamela Anderson starred in called Stacked. And then it's like, uh... Oh shoot, how'd that joke go... Um... Yeah anyway it was a Catch-22 pun right there, but I'll have to watch that episode again to, uh, find- figure out how it goes-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Do you even know what a Catch-22 is?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: "A Catch-22"? <font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, do you even know what that is?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Ummmm... I think it's like- I think it's like a sexual touch, or something?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: No, that's a innuendo. Um, a Catch-22 is where you're "Damned if you do, damned if you don't".

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Ohhhh. Oh yeah, I see that now, yeah, okay. Damned if you do, damned if you don't, yeah I get it. I get it, yeah. M'kay. Anyway, I was- Anyway, I'm right now I'm just, uh... I just got my copy of, uh, Star. Uh, right by my side, so I was just looking at the, hm... About the author, it's like- Okay, yeah, I'm looking on the inside cover on this inside here... Hmm. Yeah it talks about the, uh, author company, uh, "Atria Books"? Uhhh, it says here "This book is a work of fiction; names, characters, places and incidents are-"

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You know what was a really good book, that I really liked? Battle Royale. The novel, not the manga, that was awesome. <font color="#0033FF">Chris: "Battle Royale". Hm. Okay, well I'm looking at- Oh yeah, I remember you telling me about a couple of books recently that uh, you were in- that you were in- Uh, I should definitely look those up, I wrote them down in my thing here...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, like the "Looking Glass Wars."

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: (mumbles confusedly) Yeah, oh, oh you're, no that's not it, I'm on the wrong page. Oh, here it is. Oh yeah, you were telling me about, uh, "The Looking Glass Wars," "(Red?)," and "Arch Enemy."

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yes. And "Seeing Red." Um, so, I mean, what books do you own, I mean, don't you own books that you can read?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, I do own books. I got, I got, nearly all the Goose-, all the original "Goosebumps" books, [mumbles something], and some of the "Fear Street" books too.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well do you have any adult books? Like, like, not erotic books, but adult books.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, [pause] um, well other than that, yeah, no, not really. Oh wait, I do have, actually, oh yeah, uh, oh shoot, I have a couple of other books in my collection as well. I have "To Kill a Mockingbird," and, uh [<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: "Oh good!"] and, uh this other one, I think this other one, I have this other one that I read back in high school as well. I think it was called The Giver. [pause] Yeah, I remember- I remember the story of The Giver. It was like, uh, yeah, we were living in- the setting was like, uh, a black-and-white time, time, where everyone was like, uh, the same, not too different from each other, and, uh, instead of like, you know- married couples and stuff, uh, just having a lot of children, it's like, uh, yeah they have birth mothers and, uh, birth fathers in these hospitals or whatever. They give birth to the babies, and the- and the- uh, and the- they don't even bother recording their actual birthdates or giving them their names there. They just, um, give them to the family and, uh, and think they do- I think they give- [stammers] I think the parents name the child. [stammers more]

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [extremely annoyed] Okay, well anything else?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, but anyway, yeah, let me- let me finish talking about The Giver though. Um, but anyway, it centered around- around the, uh, boy, who, uh, was- was gi- was given- was given a job of being the giver, and was learning about all this stuff outside the, uh, black-and-white world where it's all colory- colory- he sees colors and everything, and then he starts seeing the color red, among, uh- among other [unintelligible], and then he's like, 'oh, I'm starting to appreciate life now, then I wanna get out of this world,' then they ended the book, he takes his little brother and, uh, gets out of there, and then, it's like an open-ended- it's like an open ending there, so you're not really sure what happens beyond that. Anyway, uh, it's a- it's a compelling story, it's pretty go- Oh yeah! [chuckles] Here's a funny one! There's like a part in the beginning of the book, The Giver, uh, where d- where this child is like waiting in line to get a snack, and then- and then it's like a long line, and he's been waiting this- this whole time, and he's like, 'why have we been waiting so long? I want my smack.' [chuckles]

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [forces a laugh]

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: And then the adults tear- and then the adults hear him, and then they- and then they- and then they hear him and they give him a smack!

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: So, is there anything else on your mind? Like, I mean the email you sent me really worried me.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Oh yeah, well... Yeah, it's like when I'm still get- I'm still getting used to like, you know... Yeah, but, it definitely puts in perspective of why I'm often confused and blank. It's like points when I'm trying to think of something... It's like you know, it's like I'm switched over to Chris- To... Christopher. And, uh...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Chris... You know it doesn't happen like that, right? Multiple personalities never surface at the same time, and they usually don't know about each other, like you would have that blank feeling and that is it. That sounds like possession, that's NOT schizophrenia, that's NOT multiple personalities.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Um...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Plus, you'd be born with it. You can't get it because of autism. Or from a name change.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Okay, well uh, describe to me though, what uh- "Possession", what is that?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Possession?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uhh, this kind of possession that we're talking about here.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: It's a possession... I mean, that's the only time I've ever heard of two different personalities being manifested in the same body at the same time. It means you're being controlled by an outside force.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: And... Sorry, what was that last one?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You know, like demons.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Long pause] I don't know. But it's like, point is, it made me realize, like you know, yeah, you know... Me being Christian, I was- I was definitely the wuss and the gullible one. But then it took- And then it took the uh, dynamic half that I've been- that I've been talking to lately, uh... Made me-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Those are personality traits, those aren't personaliTIES.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Longer pause] Okay, well I don't claim to know everything about multiple personalities or whatever...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean you just can't make another personality come out like that, like it's not possible, you couldn't do it right now.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Even longer pause] Uh well I don't know, we'll just have to see about that, won't we? Heh. Anyway...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, if you think you have that much control over it, you should be able to do it right now.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Now "Christopher"] Yeah I pretty much just did! Heh, I pretty much just did. I'm the dynamic one right here!

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay... So you're a completely different person. You don't know anything I've talked to you about before, you're completely different.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I've caught wind of some of the conversation when you were talking to Christian, uh... Yeah. But, I don't know all the details, other than the fact that I've got Star right next to me.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Right... I mean, it still doesn't sound plausible at all. It really doesn't. I mean... That's like stuff you should go to a doctor for, 'cause that's definitely not healthy, like, you know that could be the sign of a brain tumor, right?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: ...Really?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, actually, it is. Like, next you're gonna be telling me that you feel like you're falling when you're standing.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Falling on my standing?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: No, like, people, when they stand, they could be standing or sitting, and they close their eyes and they feel like they're falling? That's a huge sign of a brain tumor. But this is what it sounds like, like it doesn't sound like multiple personalities, maybe you should really go get that checked out. I mean, this is what I'm going into, this is what I study. I'm really scared for you.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Pause] Uhh hang on, I'm gonna switch back. [Makes a noise to indicate that he "switched back"]

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [Laughing at him] There's no "switching back"... What??

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Christian again] Uhh, yeah. Uhh, I heard a little bit, uh, you said something about... Yeah, well I did- I did hear about this, uh... Yeah, I'm definitely gonna schedule to see my uh, psychiatrist Dr. Pryce about this...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [Still laughing at him] No, you need to see a doctor! Like, these are horrible symptoms!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Well anyway- Look, anyway, yeah, psychiatrist, I got- I still got Dr. Pryce's number, he was the psychiatrist I went to during that year I was kicked out of, uh... the, so... I think-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: No, Chris, these are real medical symptoms. Like, so if this is an excuse, you need to quit it. Because if not, you are probably extremely, extremely sick.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Long pause] Hm. I see. Hm.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Like, this isn't cool to play around with.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Alright, but uh, yeah, to make it- To make a point though, he has- I mean, before last- Even before last Sunday, he's come out a few subtle times, like you know, uh... Yeah, when I play Guitar Hero, he comes out like you know definitely, he plays Guitar Hero a little bit, and I-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Who is "he"? Who are you talking about? If we're gonna play this way, fine. Who is "he"?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I'm talking about Christopher. You just talked to him a moment ago.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay... So there's two of you.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: There's a big difference- There's a big difference right there just in the voice tone.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [Long Pause] And you can control both of you at will, then?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: More or less, yeah.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, like I said, that really sounds like, um, symptoms of something wrong with your brain, but you know, what do I know, I'm only going into the medical field.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: ...Alright well yeah, I mean, I'll definitely talk to my... Yeah I'll get in touch with my psychiatrist to talk to him about it, or uh... <font color="#FF0066">Kacey: A psychiatrist isn't gonna be able to help with that, like, a real doctor would have to, like... If you told this to a real doctor, they're gonna be like, "Oh my God, you need help NOW". So like I said, if this is just an excuse, you need to quit it. Because this can get you, like, in serious shit.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [Long pause] Hmm. Well yeah, that's a lot for me to think about. Uhh... Yeah, but... I can schedule an appointment with my uh, with my physician Dr. McGovern, uh... Talk to him- Talk to him about that, and see what- See- Get his opinion... He's a medical doctor. Over at my- Over at, uh, Martha Jefferson Medical Clinic, nearby.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Is he a General Practitioner?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay. Well then he can refer you to a specialist. But I mean, when's the last time you saw him?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, I'm not sure, last time I saw him was- I usually see him about, uh, every three or four months. Uhhh, so it's like I'm...

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Alright well when was the last time you saw this psychiatrist?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, the last time I saw a psyc- A psychi- I saw Dr. Pryce was like, uhh... Uhh, two thousand six or seven. Something like that.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But, I thought you said in the video and in the email that psychiatrist helped you bring out your other side, so... Why was there, like, a two-year delay? That doesn't make sense to me. At all.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uhh, when I was saying- Yeah, pretty much when I was saying that in the video... That was pretty much just something to, uh, give the trolls something- for the trolls, uh, inquiry, like you know, "Oh, you should go see a doctor," or something like that, it was just- It was just fuel for da trolls.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Um... Well... You used it against me too, I mean, I... That sounds like lying. I mean, did they give you any medicine?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uhhh, yep, I mean, they... Yeah, McGovern, they prescribed for me- Actually no, not McGovern, original prescriber, it was like a doctor, this happened like, I don't know, in 1990-something. I was prescribed Paxil for stress... For stress problems, you know, keeping my stress down, whatever, but then I got upgraded- And then that went- And then Paxil went out- went out of date, and so I had to be switched to Paroxetine. Uh, but basically I- I was actually- Basically after- During the whole time I took- I took Paxil and Paroxetine, I never actually saw any emotional difference. Or, uh, like I mean you know, I felt- I mean, I still felt STRESS. And uh, all that- and all that stuff, it's- I- And then- Yeah, I recently- And I recently stopped taking the Paroxetine about a month ago, I mean, and then I felt- and then I- and then I fe- I still felt a little difference other than the fact like you know, I'm definitely feeling more CONFIDENT. <font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well that's... That's good.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, I mean, like, you know... There's also, like... Yeah, one of the original-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You do know that the psychiatrist is just the person who gives you drugs, they're not like a psychologist.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Well I don't know the difference between a psychiatrist and a psychologist, other than-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I just told you what it was.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah you just told me, yeah, psychiatrist is what gives me medicine, psychologist is, uh... Okay, psychologist, explain that to me, please.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Psychiatrists give you-

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: No, psychologist.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I'm doing both, Chris.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Okay.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Psychiatrist gives you the medicines, and psychologists are the people who are like therapists that you talk to.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Ohhhhhhhhhh. Ohhhhh. Okay, now I get it.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: This is simple stuff.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Okay, well you see, I did not know that. I did not know that. That's new to me, so I learned that, and I'm going to keep that in my head.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, they have different degrees, and different areas of study.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I see.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, are you still on any medications at all?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hmm, yeah, I'm taking Lipitor to try to keep my cholesterol maintained, but it's like, you know, my cholesterol wasn't really that high, but, you know, when I started Lipitor, I just felt, uh, I just felt, you know, it'd probably be a good step to keep it down.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Uh, uh, did your doctor recommend that?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, McGovern recommended the, uh, Lipitor. He, as like an optional thing, but, you know, if you want to it's a good idea. So, yeah, so, I've been taking Lipitor for, I don't know, a few years now.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [mortified] But, you're- you're twenty-seven. That's not something you should worry about at twenty-seven.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Cholesterol.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: But- that- you don't get it. most twenty-seven-year-olds don't have to worry about that. That's for- old people who can't help it.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I don't know, yeah, but this was like a few years ago when I was threatened over bad cholesterol and trying to maintain it, along with exercise. [stress sigh] Yeah, I don't remember that conversation very well.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Maybe you should just start eating healthier. I mean, I don't really know what you eat, but, obviously if you're on Lipitor when you're twenty-seven- I mean. What do you eat?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, mostly I eat like, mostly I eat like chicken sand- or-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: From where? Chicken sandwiches you make, or, from where?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, you know, like from, grilled chicken sandwiches like from McDonald's or IHOP-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You know that just because it's grilled doesn't mean that it's good for you.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Well it's better than crispy.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: It, it doesn't matter. It's still bad for you. I mean, that's like saying- I don't even know. That's like saying that,um, eating a gallon of ice cream is better than eating a whole cake, because the ice cream has dairy.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I never heard that before.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: That's 'cause I just made it up.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [chuckles] Oh, you just made it up. Oh. Okay. You just made it up.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yep. Ha, I mean, but this isn't funny. You- you could- that shows a serious problem, you could be, uh, you could die from this.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [long pause] Uh, well, if you suggest it then I could stop taking the Lipitor and uh-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: NO! NO! NO! I mean if you're on it, you're on it for a reason! You need to stop eating all that fast food, I mean, how much, okay, you've got to eat something other than chicken sandwiches. What else do you eat?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Oh, I eat- I eat- I eat salads.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, salad doesn't always mean healthy. I mean, what do you put on the salads? Do you put tons of dressing on it? Is there meat on it? Is there, uh- where do you get the salads from?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: It's basically just like lettuce, tomato, carrots, some cheese-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You see, that's where they get you, they put cheese on salads, I mean, where do you get these salads from?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [pause] Yeah, they're like side salads from Wendy's or McDonald's.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Those- those aren't healthy, Chris. Just 'cause it says salad, that- no!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [protesting] It comes with- it comes with real vegetables!

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: It- but just because it- okay, but do you put any dressing on it?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I do not put dressing on the salad.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean that's- that's good and all, but still- I mean there's gonna come a point where even this medicine's not going to help you. You know that, right?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Um,you're talking about the Lipitor, right? That's not gonna be good for me?

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: No, I mean there- there gets to a point where even modern medicine cannot help you because you've destroyed your body so much.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [long pause] Oh, so much more stuff for me to talk to my doctor about.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, I'm surprised he didn't talk to you about this already! I mean, don't you read the nutritional facts? They have to be on fast food now.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, yeah.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, okay, do you eat anything that does not come from a fast food restaurant?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, uh, yeah, I sometimes, sometimes I buy food from the grocery store.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Like, like what? What do you have, like do you eat lean meat? Do you have fresh vegetables? Or is it just stuff like Hungry Man dinners and pizza?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Once or twice, in like a- in like a month I have like a Hungry Man.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: You know those things are awful for you, right? You know that they have like- one hundred per- like, they have like a thousand percent sodium, and tons of calories.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, but mostly I have- mostly I eat like Healthy Choice- I- mostly I would eat Healthy- it, uh- of the frozen dinner varieties, I would eat Healthy Choice.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Even then those are bad for you, 'cause of all the preservatives. I mean, they have to have them, because it's not fresh. I mean- okay, that- is that all you eat, I mean, how many of those do you eat a week, 'cause you should only be eating them once a month at most, and even then that can hurt you.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [stress sigh]

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Chris, I'm sorry, I mean, this is- this is what I'm going to do. I'm gonna help people with this, that's why I'm trying to get fit myself, just, y-y- wow!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I mean I'm tryin' to remember my, uh- I'm tryin' to remember some of the, uh, eating schedule from the past, like, month, er, from the past, like, month.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, okay, well can you cook things?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, I can cook.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Like what? Like, okay, name the things that you can cook, but only if you cooked them for yourself and ate them within the last month.

<<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [thinking hard to himself] Within the last month. I can- I can cook the- I can cook vegetables in the, uh- [<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Like what?] pot. Like green beans. Corn.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: What do you cook them in?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I put 'em- I put 'em in like- a pot- like a pot, with some water, and put them in the- I put them in the- on top of the oven.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Yeah, but are they fresh vegetables or are they canned?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, they're canned.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, that has tons of sodium too, Chris! It's all the hidden stuff. I mean, you need to get some fresh produce. I need to take you to like a farmer's market or something.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [coughs or something] Excuse me. Yeah, I guess you probably- I guess you probably do. I dunno, er, I mean- I mean- [pause] that's a lot for me- that's a lot for me to think about right there.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I mean, this sounds like eating habits that means, you know- this is why people don't live past thirty or forty. You know that, right? I mean, do you at least- do you exercise, um, you know, to balance it? I mean, like, I know you said we were going to go jogging, but, um, how often do you exercise, and what do you do? Do you do cardio?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: I do exercise. I walk about- I walk about a half hour to an hour a day, [pause] around the neighborhood.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Well you know, you need to get your cardio up, you need to break into a jog or something.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, that's pretty strenuous. I- I- I mean-

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: No, it's not strenuous, your body should be used to this! You- you just need to get you heart rate up... to a certain beat-per-minute. I mean, just power-walking would work. How are you going to go jogging with me if it's so "strenuous"?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Uh, maybe I was exaggerating when I said strenuous. Hmm, but, yeah, mostly, yeah, it's, I mean, I'm just sayin' mostly I- mostly I do walk. And sometimes I do speed it up a little bit.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: See, this is the stuff that I- this is why I want to become a nurse, 'cause I see people doing stuff like this and I want to help them, because this stuff- it hurts me on the inside.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Hmm. I'm sorry.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: I- I can't stand to see someone hurt their body so much.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: [long pause] Yeah, I hear ya. I do. [pause] Yeah. I'm like one that needs help in this sorta thing.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: [long pause] Okay, well I'm- I'm gonna go, I've gotta finish up some homework.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Yeah, okay, I'll let you go.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, well, um, I'll send an e-mail, um, with, you know, some books and stuff and maybe, you know, a couple recipes and stuff. Um, you know, I'll just send you an all-around e-mail, so, can you, uh, check that? I'll- I'll send it in a minute. I'm just gonna send you some links.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Alright.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Okay, okay, well then, I'll talk to you later!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Alright. Take care.

<font color="#FF0066">Kacey: Alright. Bye.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris: Bye-bye.

[call ends]