Talk:The Suitress

When did the "Suitress" meet Bella?
I noticed that in the protip in regards to the Suitress, it states that she was apparently manipulated by Bella for years. But literally in the paragraph right below it, it says that she met Bella sometime in July of 2021. Lez (talk) 11:44, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Thank you for pointing that out, as I had just noticed it. To give my view on it, I don't think it's very likely she was manipulated for "years". I don't exactly see what use she'd have with the Suitress before Bella began plotting the suicide scheme. If I recall correctly, the Suitress stumbled upon a Discord server made by Bella, or so the story goes. For now, as we can't seem to have an agreement as to when they met, I'm probably going to have to remove specific dates to reduce confusion. If an exact date comes up, we'll use that one. PsychoNerd (talk) 12:51, 5 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Whoops, that's on me. I misread the date format on one of the Discord screencaps. The July 2021 date is the correct one. --4CentUser (talk) 18:21, 12 September 2021 (UTC)


 * Since the "for years" stuff is apparently false, I'll put back the July of 2021 date.PsychoNerd (talk) 18:53, 12 September 2021 (UTC)

Recording
A sentence says, "Add to that that Bella had no problem recording Chris and Barb having sex, while also likely not intending to share this information until later". Is that mentioned in the incest call or is there another source for that? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:35, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I believe that was posted on Bella's TTU chess club server. That was the reason the Suitress initially took the incident as Barb grooming Chris. Bella had to tell her directly that it was more likely Chris who engaged with Barb. I'd put a citation needed there. PsychoNerd (talk) 19:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Incest scandal timeline
The section says, "Bella already made it abundantly clear to her that she was not allowed to leak any calls she made to Chris. In order to prevent this, she lied to the Suitress by telling her that she already sent the incest recordings to the police".

Which suggests Bella wanted to keep the info hidden. But Bella said to her Discord friends that she wanted to leak the incest news but wanted to gather evidence from another angle to remain anonymous. Is there more context to the 911 thing? The source is only a screenshot of a faked 911 number.

The section also says, "Bella then shared her the full four-hour incest call in private, telling her that CWC was sexually abusing Barb. Disgusted at this possible revelation, she decided to leak an edited, 4-minute, version of these calls to the public, which cut out huge chunks of the original call, only leaving in Chris's voice, and editing out the identities of both her and Bella. [...] After Bella discovered the leaks, and the Suitress going quiet for a few days"

Which suggests Suitress leaked independently of Bella. But both her and Bella have made statements here and here that they worked together to release. And that Bella was just pissed over Suitress leaking a version of the call with the voice intact without Bella's permission. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 21:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I don't exactly think Suitress intended to help Bella out with this plot to "Break the Internet", per say. Some of her statements in the "I'm kinda scared" messages kind of make it clear that she just wanted to meet Chris. Plus, her meeting of Bella appears to be mostly happenstance. Bella and Suitress were both in contact with Chris beforehand, but they would not meet until Chris invited them to the Knights server. Her saying that Suitress helped her doesn't really prove anything either, IMO, as I'm not even sure she was aware there was any ulterior motive. PsychoNerd (talk) 22:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Suitress still participated in the leaks, though, even if her motives may not have aligned with Bella's. The protip notes that her motives aren't fully confirmed (which is contradicted a bit by the assertion in the paragraph that "Disgusted at this possible revelation, she decided to leak"). Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Well, Bella wasn't exactly "disgusted" at the thought of Chris having sex with his mom, unlike Suitress, who openly admits to not liking incest. Bella participated in the making of fake texts where he claims to have commited BDSM with her, rather than just tell anyone about it. Maybe we should rephrase the protip, as it can be confusing. The timeline on that matter's pretty cluttered, hence the incomplete tag. PsychoNerd (talk) 22:54, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

911 call
I'm still puzzled over the 911 call. It seems Bella posted a cropped screenshot herself to Kiwi Farms, with the comment, "i mean idg it, this can be easily faked look" Does that mean she was saying a call log can be faked, and not that she did fake it? She then says, "i sent an anoymous tip to them with the video and such after". Which could be assumed a lie because she was lying a lot. But I'm wondering how her interaction with Suitress ties into it, the article says, "she lied to the Suitress by telling her that she already sent the incest recordings to the police." Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 04:25, 13 October 2021 (UTC)


 * I'll send you other screenshots. PsychoNerd (talk) 13:21, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

"Everfree Suitress" as an alias?
I get that the CWCki isn't using that name for her anymore, but I don't see why we can't list it as an alias. She's called herself by that name in interviews, and there are still old, unedited pages that refer to her by that name. What is the rationale behind purging it completely, if that's the intent here? --4CentUser (talk) 18:46, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Honestly, I guess we can put that back up. I guess it just didn't seem that conventional to use the obsolete name. Any other instances on the CWCki should just be changed to "The Suitress" since everyone basically calls her that now. PsychoNerd (talk) 18:48, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

The "Regarding Chris" file
I used an HTML editor to go through the whole Discord log and remove references to and images of the Suitress. Thing is, the CWCki doesn't let me upload HTML files, so I can't actually use it as a source in the article. Any idea how I can get it onto the wiki? --4CentUser (talk) 19:49, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

I've done the same for the Sean Walker DMs, by the way. --4CentUser (talk) 19:59, 16 October 2021 (UTC)


 * Not really. As stated, in some scenarios, we don't really have much of a choice. I wouldn't worry as much, as it would require a bit of digging to find the pseudonym on there. Therefore, anyone that uses it on the pages would get perma'd. I personally made it so that any personal info that requires digging would definitely result in a perma. PsychoNerd (talk) 20:05, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Aight. --4CentUser (talk) 20:07, 16 October 2021 (UTC)

"Art"
This may be more a forum topic, but it seems like the Suitress' drawings vary wildly in quality and style which suggests she traced them which I feel deserves a mention. Does this seem plausible? --Finnegan (talk) 20:53, 21 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I don't think it's traced, TBH. You can very faintly make out some of the outlines used to draw the figures in a lot of these. These were also all drawings that were made over the span of a year. I also feel it's worth noting that some of them were hand-drawn, others were drawn digitally. Plus, a lot of the pics don't look THAT different stylistically. Considering that, I think variance in quality would be expected to a degree.Psycho (talk) 21:41, 21 April 2022 (UTC)