Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 4

Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 4 is the fourth of the seven leaked phone calls between Chris and Alec Benson Leary, creator of Asperchu. It took place on 1 February 2010. In this conversation, they mainly discuss the apology video that Alec required of Chris as a condition for removing Asperpedia's advertisements from the front page of the CWCipedia.

Summary
Chris's attitude throughout the conversation is that of a small child being disciplined. He clearly feels no remorse for the various insults and death threats he's thrown at Alec and his associates, and he seems to barely even understand why Evan wants him to stop abusing his Simonchu character. He also apparently thinks that everyone should automatically believe his "retraction" of the truth about Simonla Rosechu's origins.

Alec attempts to explain the concepts of parody and plagiarism to Chris through a simple object lesson, but it's obvious that nothing sinks in. Chris doesn't seem to have any grasp of the issue beyond believing that he should be able to do what he wants, while others should do what he wants them to.

Towards the end of the call, Chris takes off on a tangent, demanding that Alec make some sort of concession as far as his parodies of Chris's characters in the Asperchu comics. Alec cuts him off short, however, refusing to agree to anything until Chris delivers his apology.

Said apology would take the form of the video Chris released on 1 February 2010, where he hit some, but not all of the points Alec asked him to. There, Chris showed about as much remorse as he does here, which is to say none at all.

Transcript
[We join the conversation in progress.]

Chris : ...that at him.

Alec : Yeah, well, you guess...guess what, Chris. Those ads aren't going anywhere until you answer a few questions of mine. 'Cause I'm sick of being nice to you.

Chris : What are you...

Alec : I've been nice...

Chris : Well, what are your questions?

Alec : I've been nice to you for too long. Well, first of all, your apology video. Completely unsatisfactory. You didn't mention anything of what you were apologizing for. You just said, "Oh, I'm apologizing for some of the things I said." Is that supposed to include the death threats, Chris? 'Cause you should probably mention that specifically.

Chris : Yes, it did include the past death threats.

Alec : Okay, well, I think you should make a better apology video, and in your second apology video...

Chris : Okay.

Alec : ...I want you to, um, not spend 80 percent of the video making demands of me. 'Cause, see, an apology video should be just that. It should be apologizing for when you did something wrong. Do you think you've done something wrong to me, Chris? Do you think you have? I think you have.

Chris : Do I think I have, do I think I have done anything wrong to you?

Alec : Yes. Do you think that?

Chris : Why yes I, yes, I admit that I have done wrong to you, Alec.

Alec : Okay.

Chris : By mis-, by mislabelings and, and mistakes and errors, and I apologize for that.

Alec : Mislabelings. Kinda like what a troll would do. Isn't that right? Why don't you list all the things you did wrong? List them specifically. 'Cause, 'cause I want to make sure. You know, I don't want to just tell you to make a more specific video if you don't know specifically. So please list the things you think you did wrong to me.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay, I will. [pause]

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : I'm waiting.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Do you mean...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : I mean list now, I'd like to hear you say now.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Alright Alec, I'm sorry for mislabeling you, and giving you your, giving you death threats.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : What did you mislabel me as, Chris?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : [sighs, his tone becomes exasperated] Mislabeling, mislabeling you as a villain type of person.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Yeah, yeah, that was pretty bad of you, wasn't it?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah. [pause]

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Okay, continue.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Alright. Anything else?

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : I'm asking you, I'm asking you to continue with the list.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Oh. [Chris pauses, sighs heavily, then begins to mutter under his breath.] Uh, let's see, death threats, mislabeling, calling you, making you out like a villain...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : How about, uh...here's a hint. Uhm, is there, is there anyone close to me? A friend, perhaps, that maybe you've mislabeled as well? That you've done wrong against? Can you think of any?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Let me guess, Evan?

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You got it right, you got it right. You have wronged Evan. Do you know how you have wronged Evan?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : [sigh, long pause] For labeling him as...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Not that hard.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : ...the origin point for Simonla.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Um, no, actually. Actually, that was the correct thing. That was the one correct thing you did, was labeling him as the origin point of Simonla, 'cause that's what he was.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : What's the wrong thing you did to him?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Hm... I yelled at him too! Then you made that...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : [talking over Chris] Uh, there's a, there's a bigger issue. You stole, you stole Simonchu from him. There, I gave that one to you. And you won't give his character back. What do you think of that?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : He can have, he can have his Simonchu!

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Simonla. Simonla is Simonchu. You just, you just took his Simonchu and twisted it around.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : No I did not. Simonla is not Simonchu.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : That's what your Simonchu article on your CWCipedia says. Says Simonla is based off Simonchu.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Well, I don't know...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : [talking over Chris again] You know, Chris, I find this... Chris. I told you last time. It doesn't matter if you go changing the article now. That doesn't change what was in the past. You cannot write a new article in the present and change what happened in the past. You used Simonchu as is the basis of Simonla.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yes I can, I can call a retraction to that. Yes I can, I called a retraction!

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Simonla is based off Simonchu. Doesn't matter. Okay, Chris, let me, let me think of an example for you. Let's say that I take Family Guy and, you know Peter Griffin on Family Guy? Let's say that I make a comic and I just use Peter Griffin as my main character in my comic. And I do that for a few years. And then Seth MacFarlane comes knockin' on my door and says, "Hey, you didn't ask for permission to use Peter Griffin." Do you think it's okay for me to just right then change it and say, "Oh, okay, I'm just gonna pretend like I never based my Peter Griffin off of Family Guy." Do you think that would solve the problem? You can't retract a fact!

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : I guess... Hm.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Does that make sense? I find it, I think, personally, I am most offended by your accusations of me stealing your Sonichu, and of Asperchu being a theft of you and all of that, when all along you have been stealing Simonchu from someone else. Why is plagiarism okay for you, if it's not okay for anyone else? Why is "parody"...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Sorry, I'm not, I'm just...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Okay, Chris, why is "parody" and plagiarism, why are those concepts okay for you to do, but they're not okay for anyone else to do? Will you tell me that?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Hmm. Hmm. Okay, I guess I cannot think of a good answer for that.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Yeah. That's because there really isn't one. You understand that, right? The same rules have to apply to everyone. You don't get different rules than other artists. You need to atone for your mistakes.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : I want you to, one of these things I want you to do before I take, have Mao take down the ads. I want you to, in your comic, issue a full apology to Evan, and admit that Simonla and Simonchu are not your characters, and you used them wrongfully, without his permission, and you are going to retire them. Not really that hard to do. I mean, Simonla hasn't even appeared in your comic recently, so it's not like you're, you're gonna hurt your plotline if you just issue an admission that you're not gonna use her anymore.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Hmm. Well, I'll think about that.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Not good enough. My ads aren't going down unless you say yes to that. That's one of my conditions. I have several. Because I've got several problems with you.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yep. Anyway, yeah, I will think about that.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Okay. Another problem, I want you to apologize to me for calling me naïve.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay, I will try...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You remember when I tried to talk to you about that?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah, I'm sorry for calling you...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You remember when I tried to talk to you about that, when you hung up on me? Because you think "naïve" is such a horrible insult...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay, I'm sorry I called you naïve.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Do you believe I am naïve?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : ...I'm sorry for calling you naïve. No, I do not believe you are naïve.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Well, good. You know, I don't think "naïve" is that bad of a word, but what means the most is that you think it's a bad thing, and you still used it.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Hmm.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You meant it to be a horrible insult, that's the problem here. I want you to put that in your new apology video for me.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You might want to get a pen and paper and just write these things down, because there's a few points here. I don't want you to forget any of them.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah. I owe you an, I'm going to...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You can't just apologize to me over the phone, you have...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah, I'm writing it down.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Okay. Are you writing it down now?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : What are the main things that I want you to do? List them off to me, just so I know that you're with me so far.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay, I'm apologizing for giving you death, for cursing you, giving you death threats, calling you naïve...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Mm-hm. What else are you going to do for me?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : [angry short sigh] Labeling your comics as plagiaration of my Sonichu character and myself. And apologizing to Evan.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You're going to admit that Asperchu is original?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : I'll admit Asperchu is your original character.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : And what else about Evan? You're going to apologize to him, but what else are you going to do for him?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah...yeah, I'm going to apologize to him, and he can have his Simonchu.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Yes, he can have it, but what are you going to do? You're going to admit publicly that Simonchu is not yours to use, and you were wrong to do it. Right?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Right. Simonchu is not mine.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You're gonna put that in the video, and I also want you to put that in the comic.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah. Alright.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Good. I'm glad. We're getting somewhere, Chris. I'm glad about this.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : It feels like you're finally starting to listen to me a little bit, because you haven't been listening to me.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You know, I thought about what you said. About how Asperchu wouldn't like to be named Asperchu. I thought that I might write it into my comic, I might have Asperchu say that he likes his name. That would probably clear that problem up, don't you think?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Uh... I guess so.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Because I don't... Does that make sense to you? 'Cause I don't know if I believe this "comic characters are real" thing, but in case they are, you know, that's a good way to go, wouldn't you agree?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Fairly.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Fairly? Makes sense, doesn't it? I mean, if Asperchu says, out loud, he likes his name, then there's no way he could be lying.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Hmm.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : I mean, you're always filling in Sonichu's speech bubbles, so whatever Sonichu says must be correct, right? Sonichu says he likes something, then he likes something. So if Asperchu says, in my comic, that he likes his name, then he likes his name.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay, then.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Wouldn't you agree?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : I thought, yeh, yeah, as long as, yeah, okay, well, just don't make any references of, you know, of my city of CWCville, or saying that my, my original Sonichu is related to Asperchu. Just, you know... [sigh]

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Um, well, like we talked about...

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : You know, okay, this is like, you know, say, like, you know... Yeah. I'm just saying that they're not the original characters and just...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Like we talked about before, well, you already admitted that, you already stated that the Sonichu and the Chaotic Combo and everything else that appears in my comic are just copies or not connected to you. So it really doesn't matter what I do with my Sonichu and my CWCville and all that, does it?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : No.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : 'Cause they're different that yours.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Your CWCville is mine and the Chaotic Combo is mine. They're, they originally were mine.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You said the ones that I'm using is different, though. That's the one that you tried to steal from me, remember?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : [heavy sigh]

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : You should probably also add this to your list, actually, you should probably apologize for stealing things from me, all the while you're trying to fight me stealing things from you. I think that's a good thing to add to your apology list.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah, okay. Well, yeah, okay, well, just do me a favor for, okay, before the re-creation of Sonichu and the Chaotic Combo in your book, just, just establish that they're not the ones from CWCville, they're just from another, they're from...

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : I'm not gonna consider doing a damn thing for you until I see this apology video and I'm satisfied with it.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Alright, you will see the apology video.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Because I know you've weaseled out of apologies before.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : If I'm not satisfied with the apology video, I'm gonna call you back and tell you that you need to do it again. So you might as well do it correct. Exactly correct the first time around.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah. Okay. I get it.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Does that sound fair to you?

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Yeah. I'll get to work on that, and, uh, I'll have it up late tonight.

<font color="#04B45F">Alec : Tonight, tomorrow, whenever you want. It's your schedule.

<font color="#0033FF">Chris : Okay. Alright, I gotta go now. You take care, bye-bye.

=External links=
 * The original audio
 * Part one of the call on YouTube
 * Part two of the call on YouTube