Talk:Chris and art

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 * ED had, somewhere or sometime or somehow, copies of the drawings that Chris traced to produce the Rosechu "self-centerfolds". Please add them - good examples of exactly how he traces poses and stuff.
 * I would but I'm not saving that shit to this computer...here are the pictures anyway if there's someone less squeamish who is willing to do it.     --James Lamp-Eye 23:28, 7 October 2009 (CEST)

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Something tells me that Chris never gives a jack about using the basic shapes. Has he ever picked up a how-to-draw book in his life?
 * Methinks he either hasn't, or that the most advanced he ever had were along the lines of "How to Draw Sonic the Hedgehog." I've heard the style described as "colored-in outlines," common among rank amateurs.  Rather than blocking out anatomy, they just draw a rough outline of what the character is shaped like, creating a gruesome mess. Ensign disposable 22:44, 10 September 2009 (CEST)

Finally, a new analysis page I can get into! I added a bit about how it appears he does no practice or sketching. I actually think that's the main reason his drawings are so terrible. He DOES show some improvement over time, which indicates the capacity for it... but he's so lazy that he won't put in the effort to make use of it. Nearly anyone Everyone who can draw worth a damn has a hundred hideous sketches for every good drawing (Trust me, as a drawfag and former psuedo-art-student, I know all too well.). As Chuck Jones said, everyone's got a hundred thousand bad drawings in 'em. Chris is just too lazy to get them out. - Needlepants 02:38, 4 October 2009 (CEST)

First Known Drawing
That picture of Sonic was from when he was FIFTEEN?! Holy shit! I thought that was EARLIER THAN THAT! That looks like an 9-10 year old drew that! Not that his artwork has improved that much, but JESUS! --Blazer 19:00, 22 September 2009 (CEST)
 * I'm guessing it's a joke, but you'd be surprised... --Champthom 01:22, 8 October 2009 (CEST)
 * Just thought of something - Sonic didn't come out until 1991. This means Chris must have been at least 9 when he made that. Still shitty art for a 9 year old. --Champthom 01:28, 8 October 2009 (CEST)
 * Eh, if it were drawn when he was nine, it's not that bad. If it were indeed drawn when he was 15, then holy crap. - Needlepants 19:06, 25 October 2009 (CET)

I'd like to see a source on that- not that I think it's impossible, but just to be sure. He was definitely at least nine, though, since that's when Sonic first came out. Pugs Malone 19:46, 22 September 2009 (CEST)

Comic writing
Here's something I've been thinking lately: I could go on and on about Chris as a comic writer and the various corners he has painted himself into, but I don't think this page is the appropriate place for that, because it mostly covers his visual gaffes. Should we split this into something like "Chris and writing"? I know we have Chris and English, but that's more for deep-level language, word use and semantic analysis rather than exploring Chris's writing on higher level. Also, such writing page could cover Chris's failures in his other literary achievements. --wwwwolf (wake me when you need me) 12:29, 2 December 2009 (CET)
 * Yeah, I think a "Chris and Writing" section would really work in this case. --Blazer 17:24, 2 December 2009 (CET)

Chris knows his art is childish. Sort of.
Chris has been insisting in his personalized Mailbag 50 that he knows his art is childish because he is "trying to push the envelope on the standards of quality" and that he's trying to envoke "childish innocence" and bullshit like that. Where would the best section be to talk about this? Fefnir 21:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I think we should put up some small-children's drawings and compare them side by side for good measure. Perhaps that will give a more accurate perspective of Chris's quality. Anyone else think this is a good idea? I've already started looking for decent comparisons to contrast with Chris SargentPickles 12:23, 12 May 2010 (EST)

I've noticed that many of his poses are awkward, forced, and stiff. For example, look at when Sonichu or Chris-Chan Sonichu throw a punch. Chris tends to draw the impact as an orangeish-yellow blob, with no sound effect, and it just looks like he's smashing an overripe fruit into some chump's face. Does he even pay attention to the cartoons he watches so religiously? He could at least study their techniques to get a more fluid, kinetic feel to his art. --The Iconoclast 02:08, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

Rewrite
I've just given this article a major rewrite. I ended up cutting out almost seventeen thousand characters, but I did my best to keep the message of the article intact and consistent. I apologize if my revision seems too drastic. CWCspatcher 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Great work. Also a good proof that I have a tendency to ramble needlessly and often need an editor. =) --wwwwolf (wake me when you need me) 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

Glad you liked it. I'm most of the way done with a like-styled rewrite of "Chris and Writing." CWCspatcher 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

His Fan Fiction???
I could have sworn that Chris has some Fan Fiction about himself being a super-powered chick or something and blowing up his school...What ever happened to it? The Brave 15:13, 30 November 2010 (PST)
 * The High School Story? Not really related to art, except that some trolls adapted it into a pretty nice comic... --wwwwolf (wake me when you need me) 12:01, 2 December 2010 (PST)

Pen Holding Technique..?
Em... I feel so stupid, now. I hold mine the very same way (Tablet Pen, Pen, Pencil... Anything of the like), even though my chopstick holding technique is how I SHOULD hold a pen. I can be casual with light sketching, but tighter lines and details call for a shift to that hold style...

But I use thicker pens with grips so it's comfortable...

Is than an Autism/Aspergers thing? I ask because it's odd that I've used the same technique since I was at least 5-8, and I've got Aspergers.

Granted, my art is easily better than his (isn't all of ours?), and I took some basic and then some classes in art (as in not standard school ones), and they simply worked around that problem. I should note that a teacher commented that my penciling and the like is better than my painting. Can't keep a brush steady too long...

But I found it kinda bizarre and alarming that he holds the pencil the same way as me, and draws like that... --AsperGirl 19:53, 23 January 2011 (PST)


 * Well, I am an aspie, and I hold a pen correctly, but I have really old memories that I may have done that at one point, or it was another person who had more severe Aspergers, I honestly don't know, I can't have been more than 7 at the time, the memory is extremely fuzzy. I can say for certain, though, that I have seen that incorrect grip before, so you may be on to something. --DStecks 18:03, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof
So, I've noticed a couple people editing this page (taking out huge chunks and putting back in huge chunks). I think it's safe to say that a lot of the stuff that's being taken away is not just "theory", it's proven fact. There won't be a singular example that can be used though, so it'll be hard to find examples without having to go way back in Chris's history. Here's some examples (This'll get long, but bare with me): 1) We have a picture Chris drew, roughly, in Elementary/Middle School. It's almost exactly the same as his drawings now --> Proves the point of not changing his drawing 2) Chris has proven in almost EVERY Sonichu Edition that he does only "one take". The proof? There's a lot of drawing errors that he just colors over or leaves. Want a singular example? How about the sex comic he did with Julie; he takes her into a hotel room and undresses, he tried to trace his own penis and started on his balls too. He decided he didn't like the balls in there and so instead of retracing or redoing anything he just made "speed lines". 3) He's mentioned over and over how his "hand drawn style" is so much better than anything any computer could make because it adds "personality". Example: Alec calls and mail bags. 4) His text blocks cover almost the whole picture in each Comic Strip he's made. They have no order, no organization, and more often then not, the text is unnecessarily wordy and descriptive. The whole point of a comic is for the pictures to do the story telling with the words have to do very little. 5) The part about this drawing being the only thing close to talent Chris has isn't far off, the examples are in his every day life. He got FIRED from Wendy's after a month of working there (as a past employee of Wendy's I can personally tell you it's hard to do; you really have to eff it up). He believes he's a "jack of all trades and a master of none" according to the Jackie's Father calls; yet he doesn't have any job offers and even Kmart, Target, and Wal-mart have refused to hire him. He's naive, he's self-centered, and he truly believes that he does not need to change in any way, shape, or form to get a woman to love him (and to keep her) and he believes that the world should respect him and cater to his every whim. He refuses to do any kind of work, even if it'll get him something he wants (he'd rather have someone else do it for him, and if they won't, well he'll just whine about it but move on a few days later) Proof? Every "girlfriend" he's ever had. 6) His art is a chore? Proof, again, is everything he's ever said in a mailbag, a captain's log, or a rant about trolls. He feels that other people should inspire him and give him praise or else he won't do his work. He wanted Sonichu to be his job, yet he refused to do even the simplest things, even while being threatened by trolls and "girlfriends". Every "girlfriend" he's had has asked him to do more of the comics and he doesn't. Jackie, for example, wanted something drawn for her ( a fantasy picture), and instead of doing it, he does something for himself and tells her it's good enough.... even though it was FOR HER. He couldn't even keep up with his 2 pages a day limit for longer than a few weeks; he'd blame his computer not being able to scan anything quickly, saying it could take "anywhere from 30 min to an hour to upload", reference Alec calls again.

TLDR; All of this editing war stuff has to stop. There's no reason why that 2000+ words shouldn't be in this article. It's not "theory", it's just common Chris sense. Because so much of this stuff is proven by Chris just existing, it'd be hard to come up with any one reference or example.... I've given a few, but as we all know, there's a TON more. So just let the stuff be there for now. --4Macie 22:39, 14 November 2011 (PST)

Criticism
I found this link that features some of his earlier work.

http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/um-yeah-maybe-get-somebody-els.php

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