Talk:Liquid Chris

Okay, we need to separate the facts from the trolling. The joke is hilarious, but we are a wiki. At some point, we have to provide info. I gave it shot. Still needs moar pictures. --Jump 05:49, 27 July 2009 (CEST)

This is just personal opinion and it's obviously going to be hard to entirely wind the gears backwards with this joke, but I think that a good way to reuse this joke when it inevitably runs its course would be to act like Chris-chan has died and that the mimic is merely assuming his place to fill the gap he would leave in all our hearts, and taking over the reigns on Sonichu in his honor. I can only imagine how Chris-chan would react to that. Evang7 03:44, 30 July 2009 (CEST)

A bit esoteric for my taste, but a decent idea. --Jump 01:00, 1 August 2009 (CEST)

Suggestion for the lulz: Both CWC's are TRUE and HONEST, except CChanSonichuCWC is from an alternate dimension where his parents died early, and he ended up adopted by a family that taught him about social interaction, basic hygiene, and got him professional help for his autism; so he ended up becoming eccentric-but-lovable.

Or else they're both clones from the Les Enfants Autistcs program and Chris-chan just got the short end of the gene stick (will Chris start aging early? Will CChanSonichuCWC get his arm cut off and then grafted onto Clyde Cash and take over Clyde's mind?). Needlepants 23:18, 4 August 2009 (CEST)

Liquid Chris
When is it appropriate to label CChanSonichuCWC as "Liquid" Chris? Decoy Octillery 06:20, 5 August 2009 (CEST) the rest of the cast as well. Eva- Otacon- Akiba- Meryl- etc.--Pikimon 07:13, 7 August 2009 (CEST)
 * To differentiate from Solid Chris. --Champthom 06:20, 5 August 2009 (CEST)
 * Cute. Decoy Octillery 06:25, 5 August 2009 (CEST)
 * We need a Solidus as well then--Pikimon 01:34, 6 August 2009 (CEST)
 * I vote David Gonterman. He's older than both of them, has many of the same properties, such as: he makes horrendous barely-changed-from-original-material comics and (fan)fiction (if you're a masochist, check out his DeviantART account or google "Scarlet Foxfire"), can't draw or write to save his life, persists relentlessly despite his lack of talent, was trolled mercilessly in his prime, most likely fat and has brown hair and glasses (if that one picture floating around of him is real), and has had some 'sweetheart' troubles in the past (though not as many as CWC, but there was LilMarcieMouse, who apparently was much younger than him) .. we can always joke that "David Gonterman" is just an assumed name like how Solidus was "George Sears" ...oh, and he has the delusion that he can somehow make it commercially any day now. Needlepants 21:42, 6 August 2009 (CEST)
 * It is a good match but the said person has to be connected to Solid and Liquid.Plus we need
 * I know it was a real tenuous connection and in retrospect it makes no sense, but it was worth a shot, lol. Needlepants 20:23, 7 August 2009 (CEST)
 * I thought it was obvious that Solidus Chris goes by the name "George W. Bush". Fat Nigger 07:00, 14 August 2009 (CEST)

Identity Theft
Chris's hissy-fit on this issue is made all the worse by his insistence that someone wearing similar clothing and mimicking your speech impediment counts as "identity theft." I don't know much on the subject, but maybe this sign of Chris's irrational jealousy could be incorporated somehow?CDiddles 18:34, 6 August 2009 (CEST)
 * Imposter Chris is just angry that the REAL AND HONEST chris is everything he wishes to be.--Pikimon 21:41, 6 August 2009 (CEST)
 * Actually, does anyone know if Liquid Chris has done any kind of action whatsoever that can be considered illegal? --ThatMan 02:20, 10 August 2009 (CEST)
 * Under the premise of parody, Chris can't accuse of libel. Besides Liquid's impersonation only portraits the good qualities that Chris "possesses", so it could be perjudicial to him to say "Stop that man! He is potraying me as a normal, productive member of society!". --Bystander 05:40, 10 August 2009 (CEST)
 * This. Seriously, Liquid is doing Chris a favor, bringing credit to the Christian Weston Chandler name and Chris could be using this as an opportunity to tell trolls to troll the real CWC. --Champthom 10:31, 10 August 2009 (CEST)

Separate Pages for Liquid's video
While this is normally a site dedicated to the antics of Ian Brandon Anderson (erronously CWC), I think it might be useful have separate pages for CChanSonichuCWC's videos from the CWCivil War (the early videos we can just briefly mention or link to, that is pre-Ian). However, I'd like some feedback first before starting anything. Any thoughts? I suggest this since Liquid is to the best of my knowledge the first troll who has released a series of videos to which Chris has responded to (as opposed to just IMing Chris or making videos that, while my notable individuals, are not addressed by Chris or making videos that are popular involving Chris but Chris is not aware of).

Also, since I have a feeling Liquid might be deleting his videos as he's going to Redmond, I'll have to ask the TheCWCvilleLibrary Archivist if she can archive Liquid's videos for posterity. --Champthom 19:09, 16 August 2009 (CEST)


 * Liquid has just released his second video since his disappearance. If Chris reacts to it and the new video gets included, this page is going to get cluttered as new developments continue.  I think the best thing to do would be to have this page be simply about CChanSonichuCWC the man, with two or three separate pages giving accounts of the various sub-sagas (Pre-Ian CWCivil War, Ian and the SingStar Challenge, and The Return of the King or whatever).  Then on this page, there can be a few sections that give a brief summary of those events and then link to those main pages.  Alteceastlansing 05:46, 22 October 2009 (CEST)

Idea here
We should convince Chris-chan that CChanSonichuCWC was mistaking him for a different person who really WAS named Ian Brandon Anderson all along, and that the TRUE and REAL Ian has indeed kidnapped him. If anything I'd love to see how Chris would react to that, if at all. Evang7 02:28, 17 August 2009 (CEST)

Rewrite
With everything that happened in the second half of the Liquid Saga, this page could really use a rewrite.

Maybe a name change as well. "Liquid Chris" flows off the tounge much better than "CChanSonichuCWC". I mean, Vivian Gee isn't known by her YouTube screen name. --Beat 01:49, 18 November 2009 (CET)

Agreed. I don't know how to rename shit, but I can update the article --Jump 03:26, 21 November 2009 (CET)


 * I'm starting to consider a renaming as well. When the article was first created (I think I created it), I had no idea what to call it as the "Liquid" differentiation wasn't coined yet or at least not yet caught on, but since the Liquid Chris name has indeed caught on and any troll will know what you're talking about. Thoughts, people? --Champthom 00:18, 27 November 2009 (CET)


 * Yeah, it would suit me fine, it seems to have become the conventional usage. "Liquid Chris" is easier to type when you're linking to it, too. Dkaien 00:56, 27 November 2009 (CET)


 * I'm working on a rewrite here, the whole page is pretty garbled, especially by the pretty clear standards of CWCki. should we start using collapsible templates to sort shit out? (namely videos, but there are other places that would benefit too...) --YawningSquirtleRedux 05:11, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Showdown phone call
Would there be any objection to moving the showdown phone call to it's own page? Now that we've got a lot of phone calls on this wiki I was thinking about giving the showdown phone call it's own page and sprucing up the transcript. --Sack Thaddic 00:41, 8 December 2009 (CET)
 * Sure. --Champthom 06:22, 8 December 2009 (CET)

This article kind of sucks
I just noticed that this article doesn't really explain who exactly Liquid Chris is, how he trolled Chris, the SingStar Challenge, etc. in any but the most general terms. Most of the length of the article is devoted to "theories" and a chatlog. I wasn't into the trolling scene at the time, and have no knowledge of the source material, so while the motto of a wiki is "so improve it, dumbass," I think I'm unqualified for the task. --Sonichuis44 03:17, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

REWRITE COMMENCING
New subheadings are in place for the basic parts of the Liquid Saga. Please help flesh them out with details, pictures, citations, quotes, etc. The Kacey article needs to be reorganized, too, because that part of the saga is big enough to warrant a separate page. --Dude 06:11, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's already looking much better, g'job --Sonichuis44 02:43, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Why was "Theory" moved into the fan namespace?
I am not angry, I just want some rationale.--Champthom 01:51, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * It's long and not very encyclopedic. Only the first of the six bullets is actually legit; the rest are basically fan-fic (interesting, but pulled out of somebody's ass).  Parallel Dimension?  Government Experiment?


 * One of the big criticisms of this article was how much filler it had vs. categorized info about Liquid and the events around him. As we flesh out the story, that first bullet will be explained elsewhere.  The rest of the "Theories" might otherwise just get deleted, and I thought they were fun enough to keep around.  Thoughts? --Dude 01:59, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

So is this true? He has cancer?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=23PEkdDE7VM&feature=player_embedded

shawths

Or am I being a total new fag?


 * He did have cancer, though it appears to be in remission, since he is clearly not going through chemo right now. --T K 19 22:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)
 * Check the elbows at 4:03. His left arm is significantly shorter than his right.  You can see it in other shots but it's most obvious there.  I asked a med school friend, she said that they probably dealt with his cancer by removing a chunk of bone and pinning his arm back together.--Beat 02:59, 17 June 2010 (UTC)


 * Poor Chris...I can barely imagine the things he had to go through :( ... --EdtheHedgehog1894 23:22, 16 June 2010 (EST)

Truly he is the anti-chris. Funny, intelligent, talented, and he doesn't let a potentially crippling medical problem get in his way. Bill Lumburg 03:36, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

Does this image go in the article?


"Name-stealing" AND "Document-counterfeiting"?! Yeah, we know he'd been a tard on this issue, but this time he tries to retcon reality to show that Liquid was "put to rest behind jail bars". (And 2000 hours community service on top of that.) Unless this image never referred to Liquid after all... --SeventhBase 15:38, 26 September 2010 (PDT)

Liquid Q&A
The Ivy Q&A has been on the CWCki for some time, but the Liquid and Kacey Q&A has not even though it was done months ago. Is there a reason it hasn't been added yet? --T K 19 09:35, 28 July 2011 (PDT)

Edit to Current Situation?
Since Liquid Chris seems to no longer be part of the trolling, no one even pretends to pretend he's the real Chris, and Ian Brandon Anderson got edited because the meme was considered stale, shouldn't this be redone to show explicitly how Liquid Chris trolled CWC?Or is it a RyanClash thing where its just considered 'better' to have it be in-troll? Pretty spergy of me, I know, but just something that's been nawwing at me for a while.--Scherzo 17:24, 12 August 2011 (PDT)
 * It's a wiki. You're bound to find Aspergers out the wazoo. I say keep it as it is. The Ian stuff is only when in the context of the saga which is a good indicator for chronology and stuff. Nullity 06:22, 14 August 2011 (PDT)
 * The CWCki is pretty much in-universe - from Chris's point of view, Liquid was an impostor. Pretty much keep it as is.--Champthom 07:52, 14 August 2011 (PDT)
 * Ahh, so part of it is just to annoy Chris? I can see that. Sorry for being a bit anal.--Scherzo 17:41, 14 August 2011 (PDT)

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Truth
Should the fact that Liquid is Jon from Simplyspoons be added or should it remain a secret since Chris reads the cwcki? Theiselybros 18:54, 4 November 2011 (PDT)
 * The CWCki isn't about the truth. It's told from Chris' point of view. I think the general consensus was that the "truth" ruins the story, so for the sake of being interesting, who people "really" are is unnecessary. Freecell (t/c) 18:57, 4 November 2011 (PDT)

Actually, Liquid is Jon's brother Chris. I recently read some interviews/Q&As with Liquid and Kacey. I noticed that Kacey mentioned 'My Chris' a few times, and in this one mentioned Jon wanting to be Liquid. I was quite confused but I did a bit of research and found that contrary to popular belief, it was Chris who played Liquid. If you look at early videos like this one, you can see them together. They look very similar. Chris's full story is featured in the video 'Changing the World'. 18:31, 6 November 2012 (PST)

Where is Liquid Chris now?
Whatever happened to this troll? Did he become an hero or man up and put this all behind him through hypnosis?

Also, all the youtube vid links on this discussion page are private or unavailable. --Hunters108 (talk) 01:56, 20 June 2014 (UTC)


 * The videos are already archived on a library channel, assuming they are about videos uploaded by Liquid Chris. Also, he's still alive and married to Kacey. I don't need to explain their marriage, thanks. Alan Pardew (talk) 13:51, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCqQ8iRVDCEko9C5bD4L-skA There's a guy and a girl in the streams who sound remarkably similar to Liquid and Kacey. --FromtheWordsofBR (talk) 21:38, 26 June 2015 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the necrobump, but is this really Liquid?

Saga playlist?
So, I'm really new (to Chris and especially the cwcki), and I don't know if I'm putting this in the right spot, but is there a way we can put all of the liquid saga videos into one playlist? I think that would be beneficial if someone wanted to observe events how they happened chronologically, especially since there was a lot of back and forth between solid and liquid. It's possible to watch them chronologically, but as of right now it takes a lot of extra effort figuring out what video was next. --Scootpooter (talk) 17:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)

The Final Fight fan video
So, IBAClydeCash made a fan video trilogy called The Final Fight. The first video was apparently removed because Youtube though it was promoting bullying or harassment, and it appears no one has archived it (all the existing IBAClydeCash playlists lack that video) nor downloaded it to reupload. Does anyone here know the details about that video? --Makuchi (talk) 6:10, 16 February 2018 (UTC)

I found an old "Vidmoon" account with a couple videos by IBAClydeCash which do not appear on his YouTube account. https://vidoops.com/channel/youtube:UCYm3Ia0_4AeqA2KL2q0Op5Q DarkWestern (talk) 21:00, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

Unsorted additional thoughts
I'm not certain if it's appropriate to interject more factual information beyond Chris' own knowledge, but if it's deemed appropriate to add such information:

-The "GONE" video is a sort of "parody" of a scene from The Dark Knight in which Joker kidnaps an impostor of Batman.

-Liquid is now a cancer researcher

It may be worth mentioning a lot of recent white knights and weens try to assume Liquid's persona in attempts to troll Chris (primarily on twitter) nowadays too. -Stoplightguy, 1/24/2020