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Anna McLerran

2021-12-27T00:23:01Z

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{{Infobox Person
| name = Anna Elizabeth McLerran
| image = Anamc.jpg
| title = Anna McLerran
| nationality = [[United States|American]]
| race = White
| gender = Female
| religion = Mormon
| occupation = Pac Sun employee
| saga = [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]
}}

'''Anna Elizabeth McLerran''' is a [[gal pal]] and [[white knight]] who met [[Chris]] through her job at the Pac Sun in the [[Charlottesville Fashion Square]]. Chris was brought to her attention when, during the [[Love Quest]] era, he started advertising himself in front of the store. This inspired her short story [[The Tale Of The Crazy Pacer]], published early in [[2005]].<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20190913011805/http://dangerless.blogspot.com:80/2005/02/story-7.html http://dangerless.blogspot.com/2005/02/story-7.html(archive)]</ref>

After publishing the story she befriended Chris and he threw her a surprise birthday party. Chris made romantic advances towards her until she told him she was a [[Chris and religion|Mormon]] and a [[Homos|lesbian]], even before coming out to family, in order to rebuff his advances (although humorously, as Mormons are profoundly against homosexuality, Chris' belief in this further reinforces his extreme gullibility).<ref>Via [http://www.formspring.me/AMcLerran Formspring]:"...it was the only way to get him to stop thinking of me as a 'candidate'..."</ref><ref><s>[http://thundercamp.tumblr.com/post/2784133782/tell-your-parents-something-youve-been-witholding Anna's Tumblr page]</s>404 Not Found</ref> Chris refers to her as proof that he can be friends with [[homos|homosexuals]].<ref>[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]</ref>

Most people who observe Chris intensely dislike Anna, as she is not seen to be a genuine [[Chris_and_socialization|friend]] to Chris; sometimes even equated with [[Barb]] in terms of making Chris worse, because like Barb, she has (or at least has had in the past) considerable influence over Chris, but seldom uses it to help him improve his life. Chris's observers note that [[28 October 2011|the first time]] Chris ran afoul of the law, she made a joke ''about him getting raped in prison'' on [[Facebook]], not exactly what friends say in these situations. Moreover, after [[Destruction Of Chris's House|his house burned down]], while even the denizens of the CWCki Forums were putting together a [[Destruction_Of_Chris's_House#Aftermath_and_reaction|care package]] for Chris, Anna was nowhere to be seen - until she popped up on one of Chris's Facebook statuses to discuss irrelevant drama, and was promptly called out for not even pretending to care that her "friend's" house had burned to the ground.

It should also be noted that Anna was initially a troll of sorts, sharing her interactions with Chris on the [[CWCki Forums]], at one point hosting a conference call with leading trolls wherein she primarily talked about herself, and seemingly only turned to counter-trolling when she didn't get the adoration she'd anticipated from the trolling community. Despite her apparent apathy to Chris or his problems (beyond the trolls of course), Anna is also known to lash out at people who threaten her privileged position by befriending Chris.

In short, most believe Anna is an attention-seeker who pretends to be Chris's friend for her own benefit, tries to function as his gatekeeper to give herself some illusion of power, and (nowadays, at least) only occasionally involves herself in his affairs for a fresh fix of attention, and by all accounts, she only associates with Chris in order to feel better about her own insecurities, that way she can say at least someone is worse off than she is.

Even Chris doesn't seem to deem her to be a friend anymore – as of 2015, he has been pining for the return of his [[gal-pals]] because he has no friends or social life, with no mention of Anna.

In a letter dated 22 October 2021, Chris claimed that Anna was autistic.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 20 October 2021]]</ref>

==Protection of Chris==
After Christian discovered The Crazy Pacer story on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], Anna felt a need to defend Chris against the internet at large. In a textbook case of [[White knight|white knighting]], she edited Chris's ED page. Anna added a new section to the article, in an attempt to paint Chris as a [[Chris and fashion|goofy clown]], rather than a [[12 October 2009|perverse psychotic]].

{{quote|I wrote that blog back when I didn't know Chris personally. I got to know him soon after that, and we became real friends. He's a really nice guy, with a great sense of [[Random-access humor|humor]]. Yes, to the outsider he is quirky, and some of his actions and the things he says can be funny, but at the same time he cares deeply about his friends, and all the other good stuff nobody looking at this page wants to hear about. I just wanted to put that out there, though, since I obviously can't permanently delete the blog inclusion. I'll just have to wait until this whole website is shut down for good.|Note from Anniebannany<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20081020022909/http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php?title=Chris-chan&diff=next&oldid=1997694799</ref>}}

This passage was so masturbatory that ED users assumed Chris himself wrote it, and it was credited accordingly. However, in [[December 2009]], Anna admitted to writing the article section herself.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100112193854/http://twitter.com/ourladyanna/status/6427862439</ref> It is unknown why she had actually befriended him, but according to her, her intentions were pure.<ref><s>http://twitter.com/ourladyanna/status/40869014897045504</s>Error.Tweet not found</ref>

{{quote|C-Chan continues to crack me up with his antics. I know he's straight, but LAWD. If that boy would just heed even a few of my warnings, I flatter myself to think he'd go far.|Anna (clearly delusional)<ref><s>http://annamclerran.blogspot.com/2009/01/el-dee-ess-bee-see.html</s>dead link</ref>}}

On the night of 5 [[December 2009]], Anna complained about socialite {{w|Nicole Ritchie}} having appropriated a classic picture of Christian in his mother's underwear to use against faux-punk guitarist {{w|Benji Madden}}. Anna, self-appointed guardian of Chris, kicked up a stink, demanding that the picture be taken down, as if it could not be found elsewhere. According to Anna, "he's autistic and does whatever the internet tells him to do :(",<ref name="twitpic">http://twitpic.com/s7pfi</ref> ignoring the substantial amount of depravity that he exhibits without any outside encouragement. Anna went on to criticize the CWCki and other sources of the truth about Chris, claiming that "there is very little truth to anything those websites say about him. trust me on this one. he is an awesome guy in real life. [[Death threats|super nice]]."<ref name="twitpic"/> This is all very amusing when you consider her initial reaction to seeing the picture: "WHAT THE FUCK hahahahahhahahahaaha he's getting so famous!!"<ref><s>[http://twitter.com/ourladyanna/status/6377147359 Anna's Twitter]</s>Dead Link</ref>

In [[April 2012]], after Chris's [[Facebook]] status about his claims to losing his [[virgin with rage|virgin]]ity became public, Anna (using the name Fighta Jet Lopez) lashed out against trolls, and tried to offer Chris advice about befriending people online that he didn't know in real life.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20140115002949/http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/435/anacwc.png</ref>
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Needless to say, Anna isn't popular amongst the troll community, since she not only remains a [[White knight|staunch defender]] of Chris' antics, but is also pretty delusional, especially when the evidence of Chris' [[Tomgirl Pictures|own]] [[Death threats|mental]] [[28 October 2011|instability]] is practically hitting her right in the face. Like Christian's parents, Anna is an enabler, albeit an indirect one, who opts to tell Chris [[Chris and his Ego|what he wants to hear]] instead of what he ''should'' hear. For example, in a response to Chris's complaining about fan-made [[My Little Pony]] videos on his [[Facebook]] page on June 26th, 2012, she had this to say:

{{quote|"I'm still [[Naïve|amazed]] at how so many [[Trolls|people]] think they can justify baiting and trolling an autistic man by calling him naive or saying he deserves it for _____. [[Twin Falling Towers|There]] [[CWC_Calls_Out_Three_Na%C3%AFve_YouTubers#CWC_Calls_Out_sonichuizcool|is]] [[Death threats|nothing]] [[6 June 2010|you]] [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|could]] [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|do]], Christian, that would make you deserve ANY of this treatment."|Anna. Again, [[White_knight#Autism_does_not_excuse_a_terrible_person|clearly delusional]].<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20140115002950/http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/582/holycrapyouaredelusiona.png</ref>}}
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If you need any more proof about this mollycoddling, delusional behavior, however, consider [[Facebook#Gay Marriage|a certain post Chris made on his Facebook page]], which struck a nerve with Anna because of its blatant anti-homosexual tones. Despite both Anna and [[Kim]] - usually staunch rivals - calling him out on it, he brushed them both off, not even offering Anna, herself a homosexual, an apology for his behavior in the thread.

Despite this, what did Anna say mere weeks later?

{{quote|"Just rewatched your [[DVD]] with a friend. She agrees with me that you are a sweetheart and it made me really miss you. I wished you lived close so I could introduce you to her-she's married, but she would make a great friend to you. I got to thinking when you and I first met and I pulled out my folder of all the things you've sent or given me over the years- your comics, letters, cards. It all just serves to illustrate what a [[White Knight|remarkable injustice]] these [[Trolls|people]] have done to you through the years. I don't care what anyone says, '''[[Death threats|you]] [[Twin Falling Towers|do]] [[Homos|not]] [[Megan emails, 2008#Megan is scarred by ShecameforCWC.JPG|deserve]] [[CWC Calls Out Three Naïve YouTubers#CWC Calls Out sonichuizcool|an]] [[Facebook#Imgur|ounce]] [[White knight#Autism does not excuse a terrible person|of]] [[Chris and anger|hate]]'''. You're an incredible person with [[Chris and art|incredible creativity and talent]], and I hope that your ability to create has not dimmed too much. I wish [[CWCki|more people knew the real you]] instead of this [[CWCFlyingElephants|strange]] [[Death threats|monster]] [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|the internet]] thinks you are. But I suppose that's how it is with celebrities of all kinds- people think they know them, but they never really do. [[Gal Pal|I love you]], and consider you one of my dearest friends and one of my most favorite people in the world. Stay strong, Christian. You have more [[Chaotic Combo|allies]] than you think."|Anna. Do we really need to say it again?}}
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Keep in mind that this comes on the heels of not just a homophobic post he made, but a leak where he demanded that somebody murder Mimms' girlfriend.
It is ''very'' apparent that when it comes to [[white knight]] attitudes, Anna sits as queen, blissfully ignoring Chris' obvious problems and cheering him on, possibly until the day she dies.

Ironically, despite her encouragement, she has shown a severe dislike towards fellow Facebook white knight [[Kim Wilson]]. This is probably because Kim, whom Anna correctly assumed to be a long time undercover [[troll]], tried to improve Chris by providing constructive and often harsh criticism rather than just confirming his ridiculous ideas and telling him what he wanted to hear. Even more ironically, despite being one of Chris's most outspoken and staunch defenders online, Anna neither commented on nor showed any signs of helping Chris out when his house burned down, which ultimately means that his ''trolls'' have been more active in getting him back on his feet that his defenders. Make of that what you will.

===Twitter ramblings about Chris===
Following Anna's Facebook responses to Chris's loss of virginity, she saw an influx of trolls trying to befriend her on Facebook and follow her on [[Twitter]]. Despite voicing her hostility to the people who were following her only because they were trolling Chris, she continued to talk about him and them. Anna has since set her Twitter to private.<ref><s>https://twitter.com/#!/ourladyanna</s>Dead Link</ref>

{| class="wikitable"
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| I'm fed up with the way people have treated my friend over the years. He doesn't deserve the hand life dealt him, and it's stopping now.<ref name ="tweet2">https://web.archive.org/web/20140115003005/http://img713.imageshack.us/img713/1281/tweet2.png</ref>
| 12 April 2012
| 10:37 PM
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| dear [[Christian Weston Chandler|fat, ugly manchildren]] constantly trying to add me on facebook to screencap my interactions with christian: you are all getting blocked.<ref name="tweet2"/>
| 13 April 2012
| 9:23 PM
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| and a special fuck you to any of you cunts who follow me on twitter purely in case i say something about chris.<ref name="tweet2"/>
| 13 April 2012
|9:24 PM
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| so much negativity...some people need to go live their own lives! well actually, everyone needs to. ha<ref name="tweet1"><s>http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/1746/tweet1.png</s>Not Found</ref>
| 15 April 2012
| 12:10 AM
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| tell me, basement dwellers, what are you hoping to accomplish with this? i'm a bit too evolved to take your bait. get a life, please.<ref name="tweet1"/>
| 15 April 2012
| 1:45 PM
|-
|}

===Chris dons the armor===

On 5 [[May 2012]] Chris and Anna reversed roles when he posted a [[Facebook#Hey, Doofs! Leave Anna Alone!|Facebook note]] in which he played the part of the white knight:

{{quote|She does NOT deserve to be bothered by you doofy trolls at all. It has always been ME you want. [...] Yes, she is cute, and it is possible that [[Incest|she may look like my mom at a younger age]], but I do not see my mom in her, and she is who she is, and I respect Anna as a friend.

Aim your [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|shit]] towards me alone, and Leave All of My Friends and Family alone.|Chris}}

Chris has stood up for Anna in the past as well. On 14 [[March 2010]] he wrote a [[CWC Blog#14 March 2010|blog post]] on the [[CWCipedia]] asking the CWCki's webmaster to remove from her website all mentions of Anna's name (and of the names of several other acquaintances of his) in the same way all mentions of [[The Wallflower]]'s real name were removed from the CWCki.

===Disagreements with Chris===

On 28 March 2013, Chris posted the following to his [[Facebook]] account, complaining about media coverage of the historic {{w|Hollingsworth v. Perry}} Supreme Court deliberations:

{{quote|Another thing that really Grinds My Gears:

I mean no personal offense, and I am For Lesbians being together and their marriage. But I am really offended with the damn homosexual males altogether. So I am like 50/50 on the current topic in the newspapers, but I am 100% sick, tired and disgusted of having to read at least the headlines in the Post. Talk about something else already!|Chris on Facebook, 28 [[March 2013]]}}

To widespread surprise, Anna defied her usual pattern of being a mindless enabler to inform Chris that his logic was a bit [[slow in the mind]], in a change of the status quo that suggested Chris' antics were beginning to alienate even his staunchest defenders:

{{quote|it isn't right for you to be okay with lesbians and not be okay with gays|Anna, beginning to tire of Chris' nonsense}}

The next day, Chris responded:

{{quote|Like it is not right for me to prefer women over men for attraction and companionship? Or a number of women not liking women over men for their catty attitudes?|Chris, [[Honor roll|not making any sense whatsoever]]}}

As seen above, Chris's reply was nothing but an incoherent red herring, completely side-stepping the original question of why it was right for lesbians to marry and not right for gay men to. The real answer, of course, is because, to Chris, gay men are disgusting and [[Homos#Views on lesbianism|lesbians are hot]].

===Anti-troll plea to Catie===
On 18 [[December 2014]], it was leaked on the CWCki Forums that Anna desperately tried to stop [[Catherine|Catie]] from continuing her relationship with Chris, as Anna suspected (correctly, suprisingly) that Catie was a troll posing as a [[boyfriend-free girl]]. Unfortunately for Anna, [[Catherine#The Date|Chris had met Catie at that point]] and was completely infatuated - Anna was fighting a losing battle. This incident does however reveal that Anna is still at least peripherally involved in Chris' life, despite the apparent silence since their spat over gay marriage.

Her last-ditch attempt to dislodge Catie was an attempted appeal to Catie's humanity:<ref>http://kiwifar.ms/threads/2014-dec-18-annas-anti-troll-plea-to-catie.6596/</ref>

{{quoteboxred|You really need to leave Christian alone. It's so painfully obvious to anyone on the outside that you have a fake profile specifically designed to troll him. Just about every paragraph holds a clue against you. The fake license was a pathetic effort, but one you knew would work well enough on someone [[Naïve|naive]]. Too bad you used the wrong font, didn't match the background color, made your fake signature longer than the signature box would allow, and forgot to put the second signature over the picture.

I don't care what you're hoping to get out of this--whether you want to troll him to do something funny, or simply get him to trust you to ultimately help him. You are doing far more damage than you think. You're messing with an autistic man who simply won't see the truth because he wants the lie so badly. And that's sick. You're not just messing with him, though--you're messing with his mom, and you're messing with me.

Whatever your opinion of his mom is, it doesn't give you the right to break her heart either. She doesn't deserve to be given false hope that maybe her son HAS found a soul mate and WILL be taken care of after she's gone. Because that's her greatest fear, and you're playing on it like a predator.

So just stop. I know you're probably pretending to be upset with him right now so that you'll get him desperate enough to do whatever you tell him. It's obscene. Let it go, walk away. Delete the fake accounts, and never do anything like this again.}}

That Anna would make these criticisms of Catherine is highly ironic. Anna chastises Catherine for playing to Chris's harmful delusions, even if she's doing it to help him - the very delusions Anna has been callously nurturing for years, believing she was ''doing it to help him''.

The overall point of her message to Catherine illustrates that her pontifical attitude towards Chris has undergone no change as it has coursed through the river of time. It's possible that Chris's [[October 2014 Facebook Posts|recent announcements]] regarding LGBT affairs have coerced her to forgive him for his former unflinching homophobia.

==Gallery==
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<gallery>
Image:AVDYT01-001.jpg
Image:0689-ANNABD2.JPG|
Image:0690-ANNABD3.JPG|A seemingly innocent party...
Image:0691-ANNABD4.JPG|...with cards...
Image:0692-ANNABD5.JPG|...the close company of friends...
Image:0693-AnnaBD7.JPG|...cake...
Image:0697-AnnaBD10.JPG|...(too hard to tell)...
Image:0694-AnnaBD8.JPG|...aaaaaaaaaand here's Chris.
Image:0695-AnnaBD9.JPG|One of these people is more awkward than the others.
Image:0696-AnnaBD6.JPG|Yes, she was smiling, but you can see that on the inside she was dying.
File:32-Modest Manna Card.jpg|"Modest Manna", a Mormon [[My Little Pony]] based on Anna.
File:Barb and anna.jpg|Anna with Barb, August 2016
File:Annadishes.jpg|Anna's infamous dishwashing photo
File:Annahat.jpg|
File:Annapeace.jpg|
</gallery>
</center>

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Liquid Chris

2021-12-21T17:42:50Z

Alatariel: fixed broken link.

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{{Troll}}
{{quote|Chris initially wanted to ignore Liquid. We had to tell him that if he didn't publicly refute Liquid, it could be used against him to steal the Sonichu copyright. Chris is lazy and, by default, ignores most trolling.|[[The Man in the Pickle Suit]]<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/yt-16-06-we-need-immediate-funds-please.31624/post-2351871</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
| name = Liquid Chris
|image = CChanSonichuCWC.jpg|size=250px
|birthname = Christopher Morton Duckworth
|aliases = Chris Chandler<ref>[[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!]]</ref><br>Jeff<ref>[[Exposing Jeff]]</ref><br>"The Previous Chris"<br>"The Other Chris"<ref>[[11052009 Kacey, I Love You, and I Need You]]</ref>
|year = 1990
|gender = Male
|nation = [[United States|American]]
|race = White
|spouse = [[Kacey]]
|siblings = SimplySpoons (brother)
|occupation = Freelance comic book artist<br>[[SHOWDOWN: The TRUE CWC Confronts The FAKE|Musician]]
|saga = [[Liquid]]
}}

'''Liquid Chris''' (real name: '''Christopher Duckworth'''; born 1990) <s>claimed to be</s> is the [[TRUE and HONEST]] '''Christian Weston Chandler''', and the one and only creator of the [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]]. In reality, he was simply an impersonator on [[YouTube]] who initially just made videos to amuse himself and his friends. Liquid was played by identical twin brothers Chris and '''Jon Duckworth''' (born 1990). Chris portrayed Liquid on YouTube and in the PVCC Forums, while Jon portrayed him during the Sing-Star Challenge.

Liquid Chris gets his nickname from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]'', a video game which featured a storyline of the clone "brother" of the player character, Solid Snake (hence why [[Christian Weston Chandler]] is referred to as Solid Chris in this saga, as he will be for the remainder of this page). Eventually, Solid discovered Liquid, and he actually believed that he was an impostor trying to take credit for his glorious creation, rather than just being an impersonator. Once he was in Solid's sights, Liquid decided to up his game by playing along with his rivalry with Chris-Chan (as would his fans), and became a full-time [[Trolls|troll]].

Liquid insisted that he was the real Chris-Chan, and chose to address his counterpart as the impostor [[Ian Brandon Anderson]], based on the initials of his IBAChandler YouTube username. Liquid would eventually get into fights with Solid over [[Kacey]]'s heart, briefly halting production of videos when Liquid was kidnapped by Solid (portrayed by the other twin filming the video). Liquid made a triumphant return to defend Kacey's honor, and they retired from trolling Chris after "getting married". This saddened Chris, though he quickly got over it and moved onto finding another [[sweetheart]] after about a day.

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==Prologue==
[[June 2009]] was a busy month for Solid [[Chris]] full of highs and lows. Solid was getting out of the house more and knocking back some [[Chris's Big Night Out|Long Islands]] with a new group of acquaintances. He was given the reins to his shiny new [[CWCipedia]] and had his [[YouTube]] account "CChanSonichu" compromised. Yes, he was [[Rollin' and Trollin']] indeed.

{{quote|And I'm nowadays wearing a vest and improving my image.|Solid Chris<ref name="realprotest">[[REAL Protest against the FAKE]]</ref>}}

==A challenger appears==
{{protip|"Liquid Chris" was actually Christopher Duckworth, and he made no actual attempt to steal Chris's identity. It was just a comedic impersonation that Chris took too seriously. It should also be noted that Liquid tried to make it as blatantly obvious as possible in the beginning stages (i.e. stuffing a pillow in his shirt, paper cut-out medallion).}}
[[Image:Torture.jpg|Liquid torturing the impostor.|thumb]]
[[Image:Liquid VS Solid.png|"There's room for only one Chris, and one Mayor!" |thumb]]
:''See also: [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#Antebellum|Liquid's Antebellum Videos]]''

At the end of the month a new YouTube account, [https://web.archive.org/web/20100522150728/http://www.youtube.com/user/CChanSonichuCWC http://www.youtube.com/user/CChanSonichuCWC], appeared with a simple premise: that the ''real'' Christian Weston Chandler (henceforth '''Liquid Chris''') was back online after a long absence, during which he lost his account to hackers, so all the weirdness on "CChanSonichu" was the work of hacking trolls, and he announced that he was ready to resume posting HONEST content on his new account. This new CWC posted four more videos, much of which were [[parody|parodies]] of earlier videos by Solid Chris.

{{quote|How else would I get fan art, if I was not the original creator of Sonichu?|Liquid Chris, [[CChanSonichuCWC_Videos,_June-July_2009#Update:_I_am_Still_the_Real_Christian_Weston_Chandler_Despite_LIES_AND_SLANDER._Also.2C_Some_Fan_Art|3 July 2009]]}}

Notably, Liquid Chris sported:
* An official [[Sonichu medallion]] (made out of paper)
* A [[Chris and fashion|striped shirt]] (brown)
* [[Pedo-Glasses|A pair of rather bulky glasses which would look ridiculous on anybody else.]]
* [[Obesity]] (by means of a stuffed shirt, later removed)
* [[Speech impediment|A distinctive nasal voice]]
* [[Autism]]

All of which, of course, made him almost [[Chris and reality|''indistinguishable'']] from Solid Chris! Solid himself made no comment, probably because he didn't notice the new videos among the chatter of all the other trolling. The alternative — that Solid just ignored them — is far too reasonable to consider.

==Ian Brandon Anderson==
{{main|Ian Brandon Anderson}}

What really cranked this up to eleven was a chain of events that started with Solid Chris getting his "CChanSonichu" channel back: First, Solid posted [[CWC Calls Out Three Naïve YouTubers|a series of videos]] on 10 [[July 2009]] where he "called out" three trolls by their YouTube handles, and dropped their dox (well, dropped "supposed states of residence"). That resulted in the permanent banhammer for "CChanSonichu".

The next piece fell into place when he posted his Rollin' and Trollin' video on his new YouTube account, "[[IBAChandler]]". When it hit [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], newfags everywhere momentarily lost control of their bowels, thinking they'd been trolled by a grand master. Trolls, however, did what trolls do best: they started riffing on it. Pretty quickly, YouTube comments popped up referring to Solid as "Ian Brandon Anderson". Such was the price of success for Solid's small drop of near win in his sea of epic fail: he had delivered unto his enemies a weapon that they'd use for months.

Even then, the damage control from that episode alone would probably have kept him from noticing Liquid's videos. Until that is, Liquid raised the stakes in an attempt to get Solid's attention.

==The CWCivil War==
===Opening shots===
[[Image:Honest-and-true.jpg|thumb|right|TRUTH and HONESTY established by the state of [[Virginia]]!]]
:''See Also: [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#The CWCivil|Liquid's CWCivil War Videos]]''

The war began on 21 July, when Liquid uploaded a [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#Now Selling the OFFICIAL and ORIGINAL SONICHU Merchandise of CWC, NO FAKERIES OR IMPOSTOR|video]] that reeled Solid in hook, line, and sinker, having sold Sonichu merchandise with [[Samantha Thaddeus]] at Otakon. A rebuttal was in order:

{{quotebox|DO NOT BUY from the Impostor, "<nowiki>http://www.youtube.com/user/CChanSonichuCWC CWCCChanSonichuCWC</nowiki>". HE IS CRAPPY, and [[Chris and English|his Nasal Voice]] is JUST DOWNRIGHT AWFUL.

Also, if I wanted to buy PAPER, I'd go to [[Wal-Mart]] and buy 500 FULL 8.5 X 11 Sheets for about 5 dollars!

HIS CHURCH? HE MUST LIVE IN FRICKIN' OHIO with "[[Julie]]"; [[Chris and hypocrisy|NEVER DRIVES GREATER THAN 7 Hours]] JUST TO EVEN VISIT [[Wesley Memorial]] in [[VIRGINIA]].

F*** HIM TO HELL!<ref name="realprotest"/>}}

Solid also took time out from his busy schedule to post threats on Liquid's YouTube comments:

{{quotebox|'''The Final Showdown'''

Hey, DUMBASS! [[Chris and his ego|YOU WISH YOU WERE ME]]! I would say YOU are Stuck... IN MINUS-SECOND-GEAR!

I am Calling YOU OUT!

[[14 Branchland Ct.]] [[Ruckersville]], VA
BEFORE August 2, 2009.
If you really WANT to be me, then Come Face Me.

oh, BTW, YOUR [[Speech impediment|NASAL VOICE]] IS MORE GRATING THAN THE WORD "[[Naive|NAIVE]]", and METAL NAILS ON THE CHALKBOARD.

But "Naive" is even WORSE than NAILS.

You are a Nerd and a Whimp!

Have a good day.<br>
Christopher Christian Weston Chandler<ref name="realprotest"/>}}

Even at this point, Solid Chris still may have let this all go, as he was simultaneously getting blackmailed by [[Jack Thaddeus]], who was holding his [[PSN]] account to ransom. But as that wound down, Liquid caught Solid's eye again, by picking up on the Ian Brandon Anderson meme:

{{quotebox|Hello, again, Loyal Fans,

It is I again, Christian Weston Chandler. NOT Christopher Christian Weston Chandler as EVERYONE KNOWS I Changed my name FROM Christopher to Christian (PS: That Troll, as Some have now Informed Me, his Real Name is IAN BRANDON ANDERSON). Anyway, I am Working Very Hard on Sonichu 9 and Things may be Progressing Heavily with my new TRUE [[Gal-Pal]] [[Kacey]] and I. Also, Expect more Announcements of this Developing Caliber in the Future.

Stay True.

CWC<ref>[[CChanSonichuCWC_Videos,_June-July_2009#Christian_Weston_Chandler.27s_EXCITING_ANNOUNCEMENT_of_SONICHU_and_Addressing_Things.| Christian Weston Chandler's EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT of SONICHU and Addressing Things.]]</ref>}}

===The battleground===

===="More Than A Feeling"====
[[Image:CWCvsIanGuitar.jpg|thumb|The REAL Chris is not only cute, he can play the guitar!]]
:''See Also: [[CWC More Than A Feeling]]''
:''See Also: [[CChanSonichuCWC_Videos,_June-July_2009#More_Than_A_Feeling_THE_TRUE_VERSION_by_Christian_Weston_Chandler_.28CWC.29|More Than A Feeling THE TRUE VERSION by Christian Weston Chandler (CWC)]]

For whatever reason, Solid dug up an old video of himself failing at ''Guitar Hero'' and dumped it online. Liquid shot back with a TRUE and HONEST rendition on a real guitar.

====Spanish Challenge====
[[Image:Cestnepas.jpg|thumb|Ceci n'est pas une Chris.]]
:''Main Article: [[CWC Update 29 July 2009]]''

More [[I Am The TRUE, Original CCWC|video rage]] followed before Solid attempted a cunning plan:

{{quote|También. Mi presente. Responde en español bueño. ¿Si no que bueño? Tu no eres el verdad. Tu eres el impostor.|Solid Chris, ''[[CWC Update 29 July 2009]]''}}

The plan backfired when [[CWC Update 29 July 2009#Liquid's_response|Liquid responded more fluently in Spanish, French, German, and Japanese]].

====''SingStar'' Challenge====
[[Image:Tgtdfw4.jpg|thumb|Only one clear choice, choosing the TRUE and HONEST Chris.]]
{{Main|SingStar Challenge}}

{{quote|Alright, Christian, Mr. Brown-Striped Impostor, since you have been able to accept and complete my question challenges, it is time to issue a new challenge.|Solid Chris, [[SingStar Challenge|"''SingStar'' Challenge"]]}}

And then he shaved his goatee off. Dry. With a safety razor.

As expected, the contest went to Liquid, the absolute chad, and Solid, as always, was a sore loser about it. Liquid had a tally of four votes in favor, two against. He then took his leave from the competition, after announcing a number of personal coups:
* That he'd finally found a true sweetheart, [[Kacey]].
* That he'd landed a job as a Production Manager and Game Designer at [[Microsoft]] for a ''Sonichu'' game for all consoles.
* That Dark Horse Comics would be publishing his [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' comics]], making him even more filthy rich, with the opening of the CWCStore.

And finally, that he had decided to stop battling the Solid, and move out of his parents' house to live in Redmond, Seattle, to continue his happy, successful life.

==="SHOWDOWN"===
{{Main|SHOWDOWN: The TRUE CWC Confronts The FAKE}}

{{Quote|You’re breaking my balls here.|Solid, [[SHOWDOWN|"SHOWDOWN"]]}}

On 9 [[August 2009]], Liquid called Solid up and confronted him over the slanderous lies he was telling on YouTube. Solid tried reason, and when that failed, he threatened to get Liquid arrested for identity theft, dragging Bob into the debacle along the way:

{{quotebox|If you DO NOT COME CLEAN RIGHT NOW, I am going to get my father in on this further, and you are going to get FUCKING ARRESTED, THROWN IN JAIL AND YOU WILL NOT GET TO LIVE THE PEACEFUL, HAPPY LIFE THAT KACEY AND I WOULD LIKE ''YOU'' TO LIVE, BECAUSE KACEY REALLY CARES FOR YOU, ''MAN''!<ref>[[SHOWDOWN|"SHOWDOWN"]]</ref>}}

==="I, Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up."===
On 14 August 2009, Liquid announced that he was departing YouTube for the time being to pursue turning his ''Sonichu'' series into an acclaimed media franchise.
{{Infobox/Liquid
| name = I, Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up.
| video = {{#ev:youtube|1pbi94LLabY}}
| Stardate = 14 August 2009
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]
| Subject Matter = {{Music}} Music {{Galpals}} Kacey
| Performance Style = {{Reason}} Reason
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#Verdict: I (CWC) WIN the SingStar Contest. Also, More Updates on Sonichu and Going Places :)|Verdict: I (CWC) WIN the ''SingStar'' Contest. <br> Also, More Updates on ''Sonichu'' and Going Places :)]]
| next = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#GONE|GONE]]
}}

Of course, this sent Solid completely over the deep end. First, he raged:

{{quote|STOP THAT IMPOSTOR BASTARD WHO HAS BEEN POSING WITH MY NAME, MY ADDRESS, MY PHONE NUMBER, EVERYTHING! STOP HIM! HE DESERVES NOTHING!|Solid Chris, [[NO D*** WAY, IMPOSTOR!!!|"NO D*** WAY, IMPOSTOR!!!"]]}}

Then, he tried reason:

{{quotebox|The ''Singstar'' Challenge was NEVER to verify who was the real Christian Weston Chandler, because everyone on the [[Internet]] knows that I am, he's the impostor. They should quit encouraging him. And I wish that he would stop his stupid, damn, dirty game. I don't know what the heck is wrong with his head. [''his voice gets higher''] He ain't right. He don't even let me get a word in edgewise. He just keeps going on and on AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ONNNNNNNNN! Worse than my father!<ref>[[The Contest NEVER was to Determine Who was Who|"The Contest NEVER was to Determine Who was Who"]]</ref>}}

And as summer disappeared, so too did Liquid Chris: The apparent victim of foul play. Viewer discretion is advised, as the next video is extremely disturbing.

{{Infobox/Liquid
| name = GONE
| video = {{#ev:youtube|5VEt7DgWMNk}}
| Stardate = 15 August 2009
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]
| Subject Matter = {{Violence}} [[Death threats]]
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#I, Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up.|I, Christian Weston Chandler of <br> Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up.]]
| next = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#10152009|10152009]]
}}

Chris's sweetheart, [[Kacey]], was distraught over the event and posted a video confirming Chris's disappearance and announcing her withdrawal from their engagement.

==CWCivil War II: Kacey Boogaloo==
[[Image:Megatron_pistol2.jpg|thumb|Chris's solution to Boyfriends.]]
{{Main|Kacey}}

Liquid Chris reappeared on 15 [[October 2009]] with a new video explaining the trials and tribulations of the past few months, and igniting a heated love triangle with Solid for Kacey's affections. According to Liquid, he had been unlawfully detained in a meat-packing factory, and when he managed to escape, he found himself in Africa. With the assistance of a few others, Liquid managed to make his triumphant return to Ruckersville, and the stage was set from there on out.

In the [[Greetings to Kaceys Folks|video]] addressed to Kacey's parents, Solid called him '''"the previous Chris"'''. In a [[11052009 Kacey, I Love You, and I Need You|desperate video for Kacey]], Solid called him '''"the other Chris"''' repeatedly.

When the dust had settled, Solid's behavior had [[Father Call|offended Kacey's father]] and, through his immaturity, pushed Kacey back into the loving TRUE and HONEST arms of the Liquid.

{{Infobox/Liquid
| name = 10152009
| video = {{#ev:youtube|Ni8d6CRSD1o}}
| Stardate = 15 October 2009
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]
| Subject Matter = {{Homos}} Homos {{Rumors}} Rumours
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#GONE|GONE]]
| next = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#THIS will NOT STAND, you HOMO JERK. FROM: the True C.W.C with Birth Name Christopher.|THIS will NOT STAND, you HOMO JERK. <br> FROM: the True C.W.C with Birth Name Christopher.]]
}}

===Epilogue===
[[File:Liquid Chris.jpg|thumb|200px|[[TSSSF]] card Chris made of Liquid, eight years after the closing of the saga.]]

Liquid Chris is now married to his beloved sweetheart, [[Kacey]]. As the one TRUE and HONEST creator of Sonichu, his artwork and comics are extremely popular and he often attracts many beautiful [[boyfriend-free girl]]s with his medallions and his [[Gitar of Fail|Guitar of Win]].

Liquid makes mad [[Clyde Cash|cash]] by selling said medallions at Otakon and other [[anime]] [[Anime Mid-Atlantic|conventions]] while voicing Solid in ''[[Sonichu the Animated Series|Sonichu: The Animated Series]]''. He has also made several hundred thousand dollars from his two critically acclaimed games, ''[[Pokémon: Lightning Version]]'' and ''Sonichu: The Crystal Chronicles'' for the [[Nintendo|Nintendo DS]] and [[HEXBox|Xbox 360]], respectively. On 27 July 2011, Liquid bid fond faredieu to the trolling universe on YouTube by closing his account.

Solid Chris then considered Liquid Chris a friend.

After Chris Duckworth abandoned his Liquid Chris persona, he acquired a BS in oncology, and he currently works as a cancer research doctor.<ref>https://www.targetedonc.com/view/tumor-growth-angiogenesis-ovarian-cancer-linked-to-key-adapter-protein</ref> Time will tell if his findings will bring us one step closer to the cure.

While Chris Duckworth has retired from trolling Chris-Chan, he recorded a [[parody]] of the theme song to ''{{w|The Cleveland Show}}'' at some point prior to [[November 2015]], when the video was reuploaded. The song was eventually animated as ''[[The Chris-Chan Show]]'' in [[November 2020]], which would attract the attention of Chris-Chan.

In the years since, Chris eventually forgot about much of the Liquid Chris saga.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A]]</ref> However, in fall [[2019]] Chris created a [[TSSSF]] card of Liquid Chris, showing he still holds some animosity towards him – the card describes Liquid as a villain utilizing "pretentious acting".

{{Infobox/Liquid
| name = Sonichu's Copyright Proof and Thank You Kacey's Father
| video = {{#ev:youtube|eL_mkCKuWXQ}}
| Stardate = 06 November 2009
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]
| Subject Matter = {{Comics}} Comics
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#My Half of A Whole New World For Kacey|My Half of A Whole <br> New World For Kacey]]
| next = [[Sonichu_Special_4|Conspiracy to ATTEMPT MURDER AGAIN <br> from Ian Brandon Anderson (his Comic Pages)]]
}}

'''VIDEO DESCRIPTION:'''
{{quotebox|Kacey, you Know who is Right, in Your Heart.

Signed,

"Christopher" Christian Weston Chandler (C.W.C)}}

== Liquid's last statement ==
[[File:Liquid and Kacey.jpeg|thumb|200px|<s>Liquid</s> Chris and Kacey, happily married.]]
Hello All,<br>

I have been Enjoying the Married Life with my Sweetheart and making Several Hundred Thousand Dollars at Nintendo and Microsoft on Pokemon: Lightning Version and Sonichu: The Crystal Chronicles for the Microsoft X-box. I do not have much time for the Youtube, but my Good Friend Dr. Aleksander Egorov (a Physics Animator) has taught me how to Edit Well. In my Spare Time, I have been honing my own Skills as an Editor. I created this Project for my Loyal Fans, who are STILL being TERRIBLY ANNOYED by the Fraud, Ian Brandon Anderson. It is Very Nice to have a home in Redmond, Washington now; I do not care for the fact that I do not stay in one place for long. Perhaps I will be coming to a Convention Near You, Sonichu fans. I thank God and Jesus every day for Each One of you. This is my message for now; Goodbye.<br>

Gladly to be Where I Am,<br>

Christian Weston Chandler<br>

PS: As I have SO MANY MESSAGES now, do not Trust that yours can, or will, be answered; I appreciate EVERY ONE, and all Nice Comments.

==Irony==
[[File:Liquidd.jpg|thumb|left|Ian acts as the real Chris, in [[100 2270|"100 2270"]].]]
[[Image:LiquidChrisBelieveInMe.jpg|thumb|BELIEVE.]]

[[Ian Brandon Anderson|IBAChandler]] has mocked Liquid on several points:

* [[Speech impediment|His nasal tone.]]
* [[Chris and fashion|His brown striped shirt.]]
* [[Chris and money|Actually making money off ''Sonichu''.]]
* [[Obesity|His appearance.]]

It's a bad sign when one is fighting a mirror, and worse when the mirror is winning, worse still if it is a fun-house mirror made especially to [[parody|mock]] you.

In early August 2009,<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate August 3rd, 2009]]</ref> Solid began to believe that Liquid couldn't be the real Chris because only the real Christian Weston Chandler is a [[Slow-in-the-minds|retard]] who is the laughing stock of the Internet. Therefore, the fact that Liquid isn't trolled and doesn't do dumb shit suggests that he isn't the real Chris. Of course, previously mentioned theories seem to disprove this assertion.

In a further fit of irony, Ian ended up impersonating Liquid in a bizarre attempt to woo Liquid's girlfriend, [[Kacey]].

And in a last irony, Ian impersonated Chris who was impersonating him impersonating...or something...in [[100 2270|"100 2270"]].

<br><br><br><br>

== In the comic ==
[[Image:TrueAndHonestCWCArt.jpg|The impostor [[Chris]] stole his famous lecture to the [[Jerkops]] from the real Chris.|thumb|left]]
[[Image:Ibachandlercroppedsmaller.jpg|Beel explains Liquid's fate|thumb|top|right]]
[[Image:Furryiba.jpg|thumb|Go, [[IBAChandler]], and copycat-ly [sic] sieze [sic] to the extreme!|left]]
[[Image:Liquids_end.png|The commission as first seen in Ben Saint's lecture|thumb|top|right]]

Despite being one of the most important events in Christory, the Liquid Saga is addressed in only two pages within the entirety of ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]''. On 17 [[November 2009]], Liquid made his very first appearance in Solid' Chris's [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]]. Solid, being the slanderous impostor that he is, had the nerve to claim that Liquid's name was Ian Brandon Anderson, and once again tried (and failed) to convince everyone that he was the TRUE and ORIGINAL creator of the [[Sonichu]] franchise.

Chris planned a future plot where [[Giovanni]] captured [[Rosechu]] and forced [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|Chris]] to cede control over [[CWCville]] to Liquid. This, however, has yet to be done.<ref>[[CWC Blog#20 November 2009]]</ref>

Since Liquid's fate in the comic remained nebulous at best, [[Ben Saint]] commissioned a piece from Solid Chris that explained Liquid's ultimate fate. To the surprise of Saint himself, Chris actually delivered. The piece was revealed in a YouTube lecture by Saint on the timeline of the Sonichu canon<ref>[[https://youtu.be/vFOIauPQ5XI?t=4433| Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture]]</ref> and included commentary by [[Beel]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], [[Rosechu]] and Chris himself.

{{quote|So, you want to know the fate of the past impostor of Christian, as the original person was known? Simply put, [[IBAChandler]], he was dragged down to [[14 Branchland Court|hell]], punished of identity theft, and all of his memories and past incarnations reset. His soul was born a fresh blank into a newborn child, and his old body was burned in Hell's lava pool.|[[Beel]] in the commissioned art.}}

However, [[Sonichu 13]] its mentioned that an "Ian Brandon Anderson" was elected as the head police chief of [[CWCville]]. Whether these two were meant to be the same character (thus making the commissioned comic page non-canon) or a totally different person with a similar name was never explained.

==Fan videos==
{{collapsible
|Not TRUE AND ORIGINAL
|
{{Infobox/Fanvideo
| name = [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|Christian Weston Chandler... Yep, I'm On Hexbawks. :)]]
| video = {{#ev:youtube|XhENYYmGAeA}}
| Stardate = 25 [[January 2010]]
| Maker = BobbyHillify
| Subject =
| Video Type = Trailer for the upcoming [[Xbox]] game.
}}

{{Infobox/Fanvideo
| name = Theme Song - Caillou
| video = {{#ev:youtube|ipQvu7JoAbE}}
| maker = SiIvaGunner
| stardate = 4 [[November 2016]]
| type = High quality video game rip
}}

}}

==See also==
[[File:Chrischan_cosplay.jpg|thumb|''Liquidus'' Chris.]]
* [[Solid Chris]]
* [[Solidus Chris]]
* [[Jimmy Hill]]
* [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]], another doppelganger of Chris featured in the Sonichu comics

==References==
<references/>

== External links ==
* [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWx5HnCkR0B0L6oPwjoiWsg The Liquid Archive]
* [https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Real_Chris-chan The Real Chris-chan] on the TRUE and HONEST [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]

{{trolls}}
{{Sagas}}
{{people}}

<br>{{SingStarChallenge}}<br>
{{DEFAULTSORT:Chris, Liquid}}

[[Category:Trolls]]
[[Category:Liquid Saga]]

13 Lucky Writing Tips

2021-12-19T03:24:07Z

Alatariel: /* Mistakes */

{{quote|1. Use standard written English.<br>...<br>4. The thesis statement es el finallié estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.<br>...<br>13. Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.|Selected writing tips}}

[[File:13 Lucky Writing Tips.jpg|thumb|The paper.]]

'''13 Lucky Writing Tips''' is a school paper detailing a list of techniques to improve rhetoric. It is likely Chris simply wrote them down as a teacher read them off, as he begins disregarding them as soon as tip #4, switching from standard written English to Spanish in order to flex his Peggy Hill-esque grasp on the language.
It is possible that Chris actually invented a new kind of grammatical error: for most learners of a new language it is a common mistake to use false cognates (a word that seems like a word in their own language but has a completely different meaning), but Chris pushes the envelope by using ''assumed'' cognates, words that don't exist in the language at all, that Chris made up. Thus, this document is a candid example of Chris's [[Chris and Spanish|poor grasp of the Spanish language]].

{{collapsible|Transcription|
Christian W. Chandler<br>
1/19/99<br>
English, 1

<u>13 Lucky Writing Tips:</u>
# Use standard written English.
# Do not use contractions in formal writing.
# You <u>must</u> have a thesis statement in each essay.
# The thesis statement es el finallié <s>sentenc</s> estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.
# Tú escribes de literáture, el thesis inclúr el <s>[illegible]</s> llama de author y llama de work.
# Los paragraphs support y relaté qúe el thesis.
# Los paragraphs tienes el topic estancés, hablan el unifying concepto de el paragraph.
# Los details support y relate a el topic estánce de paragraph.
# Neccisitas <sup>los</sup> adequáte supporte details.
# <u>Escribe</u> el literáture en presénte tense.
# Necisitas tres muchaco <s>point</s> mirar de pointé.
# Necisitas creas muy bein tu escribes cree sense y es muy logicál.
# Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.
}}

==Mistakes==
'''Line 4'''

-''finallié'' would go after ''estancé'' if ''estancé'' was a noun, however estancé literally translates to ''stagnated'', it is clear Chris believes it means sentence, the correct word is ''sentencia'', also the word is ''final''.

-The Spanish equivalent of introductory is, believably ''introductorio'' and the word for paragraph is ''párrafo''.

'''Line 5'''

-Chris neglects to conjugate "escribes" into the imperative ''escribe''.

-The Spanish form of ''thesis'' is spelled ''tesis''.

-He misspells and erroneously uses the infinitive form of ''incluir''.

-He uses ''llama'' as the translation for ''name'', anyone who has been to one day at a Spanish class likely knows that ''llama'' is a verb and means ''call'', while the correct word would be ''nombre''. It is to be noted that ''llamar'' is a pronominal verb, and as such in can be conjugated in reflexive form; Spanish speakers often use this form to introduce themselves or other people (e.g., ''Él se llama Ricardo'', lit. "he calls himself Ricardo", as opossed to the common English construct, "His name is Ricardo"). This is likely the origin of Chris's confusion. Furthermore, if ''llama'' were a noun it would be feminine and addressed with the feminine article ''la''.

-The spanish word for work even in this sense is Trabajo, which any high school Spanish student should know.

'''Line 6'''

-Chris uses the words ''support'' and ''relaté'' in lieu of ''apoyan'' and ''relacionan''.

-Erroneously uses ''paragragh'' and ''thesis''.

'''Line 7'''

-Chris uses the 2nd person singular (you) conjugation for ''tener''.

-Uses ''paragraph'' and ''estancés as well as the word ''unifying'' when the word is "unificando", also ''unifying" is an adjective and would go after ''concepto''.

-When the words ''de'' and ''el'' are used consecutively they are combined into ''del''.

'''Line 8'''

-The Spanish word for ''details'' is ''detalles'', Chris also uses ''support, relaté, estancé,'' and ''paragraph''.

-He uses ''topic'' when he means ''tema''.

-Doesn't combine ''a'' and ''el'' into ''al''.

'''Line 9'''

-The word for ''adequate'' is ''adecuado''.

-He repeats ''support'' and ''details''.

'''Line 10'''

-The Spanish word for ''literature'' is ''literatura'' and is feminine.

-Again Chris puts the adjective before the noun like in English.

-Uses ''tense'' when he means ''tiempo''.

'''Line 11'''

-Chris begins speaking French somehow, and uses the French word for very, ''tres'', and uses ''muchaco'' instead of ''mucho'', literally writing "very boy".

-He uses ''points''/''pointe'' when he means ''punto''.

-It is not clear what the sentence is supposed to mean but it is wrong in ''some'' way.

'''Line 12'''

-This sentence makes no sense, it is not clear what verb he meant, but ''creer'' means to think or believe.

'''Line 13'''

-While this may be the most correct line, the Spanish word for carefully is ''cuidadosamente''.

-''Cheques'' is not conjugated into the imperative ''cheque''.

13 Lucky Writing Tips

2021-12-19T03:01:45Z

Alatariel: /* Mistakes */

{{quote|1. Use standard written English.<br>...<br>4. The thesis statement es el finallié estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.<br>...<br>13. Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.|Selected writing tips}}

[[File:13 Lucky Writing Tips.jpg|thumb|The paper.]]

'''13 Lucky Writing Tips''' is a school paper detailing a list of techniques to improve rhetoric. It is likely Chris simply wrote them down as a teacher read them off, as he begins disregarding them as soon as tip #4, switching from standard written English to Spanish in order to flex his Peggy Hill-esque grasp on the language.
It is possible that Chris actually invented a new kind of grammatical error: for most learners of a new language it is a common mistake to use false cognates (a word that seems like a word in their own language but has a completely different meaning), but Chris pushes the envelope by using ''assumed'' cognates, words that don't exist in the language at all, that Chris made up. Thus, this document is a candid example of Chris's [[Chris and Spanish|poor grasp of the Spanish language]].

{{collapsible|Transcription|
Christian W. Chandler<br>
1/19/99<br>
English, 1

<u>13 Lucky Writing Tips:</u>
# Use standard written English.
# Do not use contractions in formal writing.
# You <u>must</u> have a thesis statement in each essay.
# The thesis statement es el finallié <s>sentenc</s> estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.
# Tú escribes de literáture, el thesis inclúr el <s>[illegible]</s> llama de author y llama de work.
# Los paragraphs support y relaté qúe el thesis.
# Los paragraphs tienes el topic estancés, hablan el unifying concepto de el paragraph.
# Los details support y relate a el topic estánce de paragraph.
# Neccisitas <sup>los</sup> adequáte supporte details.
# <u>Escribe</u> el literáture en presénte tense.
# Necisitas tres muchaco <s>point</s> mirar de pointé.
# Necisitas creas muy bein tu escribes cree sense y es muy logicál.
# Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.
}}

==Mistakes==
'''Line 4'''

-''finallié'' would go after ''estancé'' if ''estancé'' was a noun, however estancé literally translates to ''stagnated'', it is clear Chris believes it means sentence, the correct word is ''sentencia'', also the word is ''final''.

-The Spanish equivalent of introductory is, believably ''introductorio'' and the word for paragraph is ''párrafo''.

'''Line 5'''

-Chris neglects to conjugate "escribes" into the imperative ''escribe''.

-The Spanish form of ''thesis'' is spelled ''tesis''.

-He misspells and erroneously uses the infinitive form of ''incluir''.

-He uses ''llama'' as the translation for ''name'', anyone who has been to one day at a Spanish class likely knows that ''llama'' is a verb and means ''call'', while the correct word would be ''nombre''. It is to be noted that ''llamar'' is a pronominal verb, and as such in can be conjugated in reflexive form; spanish speakers often use this form to introduce themselves or other people (e.g., ''Él se llama Ricardo'', lit. he calls himself Ricardo) this is likely the origin of Chris's confusion. Furthermore, if ''llama'' were a noun it would be feminine and addressed with the feminine article ''la''.

-The spanish word for work even in this sense is Trabajo, which any high school Spanish student should know.

'''Line 6'''

-Chris uses the words ''support'' and ''relaté'' in lieu of ''apoyan'' and ''relacionan''.

-Erroneously uses ''paragragh'' and ''thesis''.

'''Line 7'''

-Chris uses the 2nd person singular (you) conjugation for ''tener''.

-Uses ''paragraph'' and ''estancés as well as the word ''unifying'' when the word is "unificando", also ''unifying" is an adjective and would go after ''concepto''.

-When the words ''de'' and ''el'' are used consecutively they are combined into ''del''.

'''Line 8'''

-The Spanish word for ''details'' is ''detalles'', Chris also uses ''support, relaté, estancé,'' and ''paragraph''.

-He uses ''topic'' when he means ''tema''.

-Doesn't combine ''a'' and ''el'' into ''al''.

'''Line 9'''

-The word for ''adequate'' is ''adecuado''.

-He repeats ''support'' and ''details''.

'''Line 10'''

-The Spanish word for ''literature'' is ''literatura'' and is feminine.

-Again Chris puts the adjective before the noun like in English.

-Uses ''tense'' when he means ''tiempo''.

'''Line 11'''

-Chris begins speaking French somehow, and uses the French word for very, ''tres'', and uses ''muchaco'' instead of ''mucho'', literally writing "very boy".

-He uses ''points''/''pointe'' when he means ''punto''.

-It is not clear what the sentence is supposed to mean but it is wrong in ''some'' way.

'''Line 12'''

-This sentence makes no sense, it is not clear what verb he meant, but ''creer'' means to think or believe.

'''Line 13'''

-While this may be the most correct line, the Spanish word for carefully is ''cuidadosamente''.

-''Cheques'' is not conjugated into the imperative ''cheque''.

13 Lucky Writing Tips

2021-12-18T22:07:58Z

Alatariel: /* Mistakes */ expanded on the ''Llama'' think.

{{quote|1. Use standard written English.<br>...<br>4. The thesis statement es el finallié estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.<br>...<br>13. Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.|Selected writing tips}}

[[File:13 Lucky Writing Tips.jpg|thumb|The paper.]]

'''13 Lucky Writing Tips''' is a school paper detailing a list of techniques to improve rhetoric. It is likely Chris simply wrote them down as a teacher read them off, as he begins disregarding them as soon as tip #4, switching from standard written English to Spanish in order to flex his Peggy Hill-esque grasp on the language.
It is possible that Chris actually invented a new kind of grammatical error: for most learners of a new language it is a common mistake to use false cognates (a word that seems like a word in their own language but has a completely different meaning), but Chris pushes the envelope by using ''assumed'' cognates, words that don't exist in the language at all, that Chris made up. Thus, this document is a candid example of Chris's [[Chris and Spanish|poor grasp of the Spanish language]].

{{collapsible|Transcription|
Christian W. Chandler<br>
1/19/99<br>
English, 1

<u>13 Lucky Writing Tips:</u>
# Use standard written English.
# Do not use contractions in formal writing.
# You <u>must</u> have a thesis statement in each essay.
# The thesis statement es el finallié <s>sentenc</s> estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.
# Tú escribes de literáture, el thesis inclúr el <s>[illegible]</s> llama de author y llama de work.
# Los paragraphs support y relaté qúe el thesis.
# Los paragraphs tienes el topic estancés, hablan el unifying concepto de el paragraph.
# Los details support y relate a el topic estánce de paragraph.
# Neccisitas <sup>los</sup> adequáte supporte details.
# <u>Escribe</u> el literáture en presénte tense.
# Necisitas tres muchaco <s>point</s> mirar de pointé.
# Necisitas creas muy bein tu escribes cree sense y es muy logicál.
# Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.
}}

==Mistakes==
'''Line 4'''

-''finallié'' would go after ''estancé'' if ''estancé'' was a noun, however estancé literally translates to ''stagnated'', it is clear Chris believes it means sentence, the correct word is ''sentencia'', also the word is ''final''.

-The Spanish equivalent of introductory is, believably ''introductorio'' and the word for paragraph is ''párrafo''.

'''Line 5'''

-Chris neglects to conjugate "escribes" into the imperative ''escribe''.

-The Spanish form of ''thesis'' is spelled ''tesis''.

-He misspells and erroneously uses the infinitive form of ''incluir''.

-He uses ''llama'' as the translation for ''name'', anyone who has been to one day at a Spanish class likely knows that ''llama'' is a verb and means ''call'', while the correct word would be ''nombre''. It is to be noted that ''llamar'' is a pronominal verb, and as such in can be conjugated in reflexive form; spanish speakers often use this form to specify how people "call themselves" (e.g., ''Él se llama Ricardo'', He calls himself Ricardo) This is likely the origin of Chris's confusion. Furthermore, if ''llama'' were a noun it would be feminine and addressed with the feminine article ''la''.
-The spanish word for work even in this sense is Trabajo, which any high school Spanish student should know.

'''Line 6'''

-Chris uses the words ''support'' and ''relaté'' in lieu of ''apoyan'' and ''relacionan''.

-Erroneously uses ''paragragh'' and ''thesis''.

'''Line 7'''

-Chris uses the 2nd person singular (you) conjugation for ''tener''.

-Uses ''paragraph'' and ''estancés as well as the word ''unifying'' when the word is "unificando", also ''unifying" is an adjective and would go after ''concepto''.

-When the words ''de'' and ''el'' are used consecutively they are combined into ''del''.

'''Line 8'''

-The Spanish word for ''details'' is ''detalles'', Chris also uses ''support, relaté, estancé,'' and ''paragraph''.

-He uses ''topic'' when he means ''tema''.

-Doesn't combine ''a'' and ''el'' into ''al''.

'''Line 9'''

-The word for ''adequate'' is ''adecuado''.

-He repeats ''support'' and ''details''.

'''Line 10'''

-The Spanish word for ''literature'' is ''literatura'' and is feminine.

-Again Chris puts the adjective before the noun like in English.

-Uses ''tense'' when he means ''tiempo''.

'''Line 11'''

-Chris begins speaking French somehow, and uses the French word for very, ''tres'', and uses ''muchaco'' instead of ''mucho'', literally writing "very boy".

-He uses ''points''/''pointe'' when he means ''punto''.

-It is not clear what the sentence is supposed to mean but it is wrong in ''some'' way.

'''Line 12'''

-This sentence makes no sense, it is not clear what verb he meant, but ''creer'' means to think or believe.

'''Line 13'''

-While this may be the most correct line, the Spanish word for carefully is ''cuidadosamente''.

-''Cheques'' is not conjugated into the imperative ''cheque''.

13 Lucky Writing Tips

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Alatariel: /* Mistakes */ Párrafo is an esdrújula word (prosodic accent or stress on the second to last syllable and as such it carries the tilde on top of its vowel)

{{quote|1. Use standard written English.<br>...<br>4. The thesis statement es el finallié estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.<br>...<br>13. Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.|Selected writing tips}}

[[File:13 Lucky Writing Tips.jpg|thumb|The paper.]]

'''13 Lucky Writing Tips''' is a school paper detailing a list of techniques to improve rhetoric. It is likely Chris simply wrote them down as a teacher read them off, as he begins disregarding them as soon as tip #4, switching from standard written English to Spanish in order to flex his Peggy Hill-esque grasp on the language.
It is possible that Chris actually invented a new kind of grammatical error: for most learners of a new language it is a common mistake to use false cognates (a word that seems like a word in their own language but has a completely different meaning), but Chris pushes the envelope by using ''assumed'' cognates, words that don't exist in the language at all, that Chris made up. Thus, this document is a candid example of Chris's [[Chris and Spanish|poor grasp of the Spanish language]].

{{collapsible|Transcription|
Christian W. Chandler<br>
1/19/99<br>
English, 1

<u>13 Lucky Writing Tips:</u>
# Use standard written English.
# Do not use contractions in formal writing.
# You <u>must</u> have a thesis statement in each essay.
# The thesis statement es el finallié <s>sentenc</s> estancé de íntroductóry paragraphé.
# Tú escribes de literáture, el thesis inclúr el <s>[illegible]</s> llama de author y llama de work.
# Los paragraphs support y relaté qúe el thesis.
# Los paragraphs tienes el topic estancés, hablan el unifying concepto de el paragraph.
# Los details support y relate a el topic estánce de paragraph.
# Neccisitas <sup>los</sup> adequáte supporte details.
# <u>Escribe</u> el literáture en presénte tense.
# Necisitas tres muchaco <s>point</s> mirar de pointé.
# Necisitas creas muy bein tu escribes cree sense y es muy logicál.
# Cheques tu escribir muy carefully.
}}

==Mistakes==
'''Line 4'''

-''finallié'' would go after ''estancé'' if ''estancé'' was a noun, however estancé literally translates to ''stagnated'', it is clear Chris believes it means sentence, the correct word is ''sentencia'', also the word is ''final''.

-The Spanish equivalent of introductory is, believably ''introductorio'' and the word for paragraph is ''párrafo''.

'''Line 5'''

-Chris neglects to conjugate "escribes" into the imperative ''escribe''.

-The Spanish form of ''thesis'' is spelled ''tesis''.

-He misspells and erroneously uses the infinitive form of ''incluir''.

-He uses ''llama'' as the translation for ''name'', anyone who has been to one day at a Spanish class likely knows that ''llama'' is a verb and means ''call'', while the correct word would be ''nombre''. Furthermore, if ''llama'' were a noun it would be feminine and addressed with the feminine article ''la''.
-The spanish word for work even in this sense is Trabajo, which any high school Spanish student should know.

'''Line 6'''

-Chris uses the words ''support'' and ''relaté'' in lieu of ''apoyan'' and ''relacionan''.

-Erroneously uses ''paragragh'' and ''thesis''.

'''Line 7'''

-Chris uses the 2nd person singular (you) conjugation for ''tener''.

-Uses ''paragraph'' and ''estancés as well as the word ''unifying'' when the word is "unificando", also ''unifying" is an adjective and would go after ''concepto''.

-When the words ''de'' and ''el'' are used consecutively they are combined into ''del''.

'''Line 8'''

-The Spanish word for ''details'' is ''detalles'', Chris also uses ''support, relaté, estancé,'' and ''paragraph''.

-He uses ''topic'' when he means ''tema''.

-Doesn't combine ''a'' and ''el'' into ''al''.

'''Line 9'''

-The word for ''adequate'' is ''adecuado''.

-He repeats ''support'' and ''details''.

'''Line 10'''

-The Spanish word for ''literature'' is ''literatura'' and is feminine.

-Again Chris puts the adjective before the noun like in English.

-Uses ''tense'' when he means ''tiempo''.

'''Line 11'''

-Chris begins speaking French somehow, and uses the French word for very, ''tres'', and uses ''muchaco'' instead of ''mucho'', literally writing "very boy".

-He uses ''points''/''pointe'' when he means ''punto''.

-It is not clear what the sentence is supposed to mean but it is wrong in ''some'' way.

'''Line 12'''

-This sentence makes no sense, it is not clear what verb he meant, but ''creer'' means to think or believe.

'''Line 13'''

-While this may be the most correct line, the Spanish word for carefully is ''cuidadosamente''.

-''Cheques'' is not conjugated into the imperative ''cheque''.

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Alatariel:

I know most files don't need a talk page, but there is some stuff to talk about, like how Chris is oblivious to the fact that this is his mother --[[User:Briscoe|Briscoe]] 09:20, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

my eyes! ahh ! Im gonna shooot myself! (seriously though how does he not know that is his mom--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 19:26, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

He does, and PVCC promises an infodump soon. So we'll know by April.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 21:02, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
: It's July. Since the Asperchu saga is basically over...?--[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 23:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:: people promising stuff that doesn't exist, also i believe the "dump" that people hype was the calls. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:49, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

I wonder if whomever drew this more than 10 years ago had any idea [[Incest|this]] would happen. 04:27, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

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Alatariel:

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Talk:Anna McLerran

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Alatariel:

==To do==
*<strike>Add photos of Anna</strike> Thought there's definitely a better pic out there.
*<strike>add pictures from that birthday party</strike> They're on the page. --[[User:Rafaal|Rafaal]] 20:57, 1 September 2009 (CEST)
*<strike>Add the Crazy Pacer story where she first meets Chris</strike>
*Piping quotes

==Anna's birthday==
Based on [http://cogsdev.110mb.com/dvd/196.jpg this DVD image], Anna's b-day seems to be early August. Now we just need a day. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:12, 12 March 2009 (CET)

==Okay...==
I pulled a bunch of information on her and dumped it onto the page, I'm going to clean up the article by tomorrow...--[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 22:01, 17 March 2009 (CET)

==God Damn.==
She's hot . I want her. [[User:ChainsawChandler|ChainsawChandler]] 00:16, 19 May 2009 (CEST)
*I could pull more photos if the community wants them --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 04:50, 19 May 2009 (CEST)
:Nudes plix. [[User:Fat Nigger|Fat Nigger]] 13:52, 26 July 2009 (CEST)

**MMM...boobies...-[[User:Gwonam|Gwonam]]

==Youtube and Myspace==
http://www.youtube.com/user/mickylaren

Youtube page

http://www.myspace.com/annamclerran

myspace page.

I dont know how to update the page with this.
[[User:Granola|Granola]] 13:37, 7 July 2009 (CEST)

==I love lesbians, more than anyone, so why don't lesbians love me?==
Hey, I was adding a summary to an IRC chat where Chris talks about the lesbian thing, and I'm curious - do we have any primary source on that besides Chris? The page mentions Vivian also passed on that tidbit, but where did she get it from?

I ask only because I spent years growing up Mormon (kicked the habit when I left home), and the notion of an out-of-the-closet lesbian Mormon is very, very strange. Especially if she's out, still active in the church, AND living in Utah. Like I mentioned on the IRC page, the church collectively hates gay people almost as much as Chris does. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 23:38, 25 November 2009 (CET)

It might be that Anna told Chris she was a lesbian in order to prevent Chris from sexually harrassing her as he did Megan. On the other hand Vivian's testimony to this might be proof to the contrary. --[[User:Liquidcole|Liquidcole]]
*Yeah, the prevailing opinion (and I think Anna even confessed this on the old PVCC) is that she's really not a lesbian and this is something she told Chris so he wouldn't harass her and rule out ANY possibility for a relationship in Chris's mind. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:55, 25 November 2009 (CET)

**I think the best thing to do is not to change the page, however. It would be best that newfags and basement dwellers think she's a dyke in order to prevent people from trying to stalk her OL and essentially being like Chris. --[[User:Liquidcole|Liquidcole]]

**I saw a post she made on a message board recently (damned if I remember how to find it again) where she talked about the difficulties of being a lesbian Mormon. I thought she was just blowing Chris off, too, until I saw that. BTW, she must have finished college years ago, does anyone know if she's still in Utah?[[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 16:01, 1 June 2011 (PDT)
==[[CWCki:NAR|OH SHIT, WE WERE WRONG]]==
[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] actually bothered to follow Anna's twitter and found out that [http://twitter.com/ourladyanna/status/6427862439 that was really Anna who said the stuff about Chris]. Can someone dig through the ED edits to find out when this was posted and who said this? If this was posted under Chris's account, was this something Anna told Chris and Chris posted it there verbatim, or just something she approved of?

But anyways, the undos - really, people here shouldn't be referred to as "disgusting bags of crap" even if it's Chris. People like CWCki because we're slightly less biased than ED and our language is more encyclopedic than full out bashing, yet with a tone of familiarity that makes articles enjoyable to read. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 12:56, 7 December 2009 (CET)
* Sorry about that Chief, I'll try to cut down on the insults, I'll rewrite that bit. Also, I'll look into the ED revisions. (I still think Chris a disgusting bag of crap)--[[User:Megaman|<font face="Impact" color="blue" size="2px">''Megaman!''</font> ]] [[Image:MegaManXRunning.gif]] 13:11, 7 December 2009 (CET)
**Cut down on the "ED" flavor. I hope this revision is more acceptable. Will update with research on her ED edits later. For now, I think it's important that we change the article to reflect the truth, to the best of our knowledge --[[User:Megaman|<font face="Impact" color="blue" size="2px">''Megaman!''</font> ]] [[Image:MegaManXRunning.gif]] 13:21, 7 December 2009 (CET)
**Alright, back from my terrify journey to ED. All the edits were done by the same username: [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/User:ChadamRocket ChadamRocket]. All their edits are about Chris, attention whoring and an edit war with an ED user named [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/User:Pollyanna Pollyanna]. Here's her [http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/Special:Contributions/ChadamRocket contributions]--[[User:Megaman|<font face="Impact" color="blue" size="2px">''Megaman!''</font> ]] [[Image:MegaManXRunning.gif]] 13:33, 7 December 2009 (CET)
:::*Very good work, Megaman. Now we just need to find when she first posted that comment about Chris. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:57, 8 December 2009 (CET)
:::: The quote was posted on 05:52, 9 August 2008. What do you want me to do with all this information?--[[User:Megaman|<font face="Impact" color="blue" size="2px">''Megaman!''</font> ]] [[Image:MegaManXRunning.gif]] 09:20, 8 December 2009 (CET)

==Criticism==
That section needs to be reworded a bit. It's alright - more or less trying to get at "Anna defends Chris as being manipulated but Chris does all this shit on his own free will and volition" but it's not doing a very good job communicating this. Needs to be reworded and also better piping (that is, things like "own" should not link to Megan).--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:06, 8 December 2009 (CET)
* I was trying to demonstrate the many times Chris had done something strange and spontaneous without actualy listing and summarizing each one. I'll work on the re-wording. --[[User:Megaman|<font face="Impact" color="blue" size="2px">''Megaman!''</font> ]] [[Image:MegaManXRunning.gif]] 09:20, 8 December 2009 (CET)

==Chris's relationship with Anna==
I just notice there's a cursory statement about how Anna and Chris were friends, like with the birthday party thing, but no real elaboration on that. Is there any way we could perhaps muster everything Chris has said about Anna to try and piece together a narrative on the nature of their relationship? Right now, the article seems to make a passing note about Tale of the Crazy Pacer and how the two became friends but then skips into how she got involved in ED drama and the trolls. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:29, 19 December 2009 (CET)

==[[Asperger Syndrome|Asperger's?]]==
I found Anna's [http://www.formspring.me/AMcLerran formspring page] and when she was asked a question on if she hates autistic people, she stated that she has a form of autism herself. After reading a bit on Anna, I'm guessing Asperger's. I'm not sure if she's lying or whatever or whether we discussed this already, but I'd thought I'd share. [[User:HermanoBluth|HermanoBluth]] 04:16, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:It's probably self-diagnosed, or she's kidding. [[User:Hamsterjelly|Hamsterjelly]] 21:35, 5 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Or could be part of this claim that she begs for attention. Which would be heavily ironic come to think of it. [[User:SerenityMoonstoner|SerenityMoonstone]] 23:41, 11 August 2010 (EST)

==Needs to be expanded==

I think this article would work better if it listed specific examples and quotes that show why Anna as an attention whore and unreliable source of information. I know this wiki is devoted to Chris, and things not directly related to him are only descr4ibed in minimal detail, but I still think this article could use more context.--[[User:Austin|Austin]] 10:41, 23 August 2010 (PDT)

== Turns out she really is gay ==

Is it worth mentioning on the page? Or should we just leave it since it's inconsequential and funnier to think she made it up to keep Chris away?

Sauces: [http://icerape.tumblr.com/post/2784133782/tell-your-parents-something-youve-been-witholding] and [http://icerape.tumblr.com/post/2774450080/gonna-tell-my-parents-the-secret-tomorrow] [[User:Arius|Arius]] 19:57, 16 January 2011 (PST)
:I dunno. She's proven to be such a bullshit factory (how many fucking blogs is she up to?) that I wonder if it isn't long past time to just ignore her. If you ask me I reckon this page could stand a good paring down. There's a lot of shit about her and only so much about her and Chris. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 20:52, 16 January 2011 (PST)

== Setting you guys straight. ==

I'm going in and editing your wiki page on me for your sake as much as for mine. I'm trying not to change too much, but I'm correcting any false or outdated information, including nonworking links. After this, seeing as how Chris and I don't talk these days, I really see no reason for anything to ever be added or changed about the page. I am a non-player. If you want to change some things back, whatever, but know that I'm not changing anything that's true or mostly true. I recommend deleting the whole ED DRAMA section and the CRITICISM/BACKLASH section as they don't really hold relevance to the CWCki.
:Honestly, I know little about this, but don't worry about changing it a lot if it's inaccurate. This isn't exactly our best-written article and the only goal this article should have is explaining how you pertain to Chris. I'll go through this article tomorrow or something and trim irrelevant details out if you don't. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 12:45, 24 February 2011 (PST)
*Personally the criticism, while obviously not flattering to you, still details a part of your involvement with Chris and how it fits into the larger troll culture, that is one of the few times it's appropriate to address metatrolling. While normally it's poor form to edit one's wiki article and you have your own personally biases, if you have something to say, you are welcome to contribute.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:08, 24 February 2011 (PST)

==On the Subject of Mic==
*Is Anna Mic? McLerran -> Mic. That would make sense in the context of previous Gal-Pals. Perhaps she's in contact with Chris again. [[User:Nullity|Nullity]] 20:12, 20 April 2011 (PDT)
::i don't know but it would make the line "unfortunately she REFUSES to go beyond just friends" funnier if he was saying it about a lesbian -[[User:Acousticvirgin|Acousticvirgin]] 21:02, 20 April 2011 (PDT)
** As well as the whole "She's a tomboy and told me to get in touch with my feminine side" thing.

== Dead link ==

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* http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWYguLerBg8
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--[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 00:57, 28 September 2011 (PDT)

== Estrangement from Chris ==

A lot of articles around the wiki claim Chris has managed to alienate her, but this article doesn't mention anything beyond their argument about gay people. How true is it? I'm inclined to believe it, based on Chris's reputation for his inability to keep friends, and the fact that on the occasions I've glanced at Chris's Facebook, I've never seen any comments by Anna. Does anyone have more information on this? [[User:Lysistrata|Lysistrata]] ([[User talk:Lysistrata|talk]]) 16:33, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
:Yeah, it does seem like editors on this wiki might have blown the gay marriage spat between Chris and Anna out of proportion. Maybe it would be best to correct the articles that portray the gay marriage spat as something other than a brief incident. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 18:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

== Pregnant? ==

I don't know if its relent to Chris at all, but Anna posted at least two positive pregnancy tests on her facebook page. Anyone know if she ever had the kids, or if Chris maybe mentioned them?

--[[User:PrimeTime|PrimeTime]] ([[User talk:PrimeTime|talk]]) 22:46, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

That's pretty relevant, if Chris is still in touch with her. What are the details, though? Seeing as she's a [[Homos|lesbian]], it seems rather out of the blue. Doubt it's [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal]], though. --[[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 23:04, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Here is [http://tinyurl.com/p3rd9gd one] she posted last April. I know they were still talking as of earlier this month. It could be a counter troll, but I think it deserves at least a look. It could be an interesting play on the lesbian angle since she left for Utah.
--[[User:PrimeTime|PrimeTime]] ([[User talk:PrimeTime|talk]]) 10:07, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Those mormons. Anyways,if you do find anything, post it; I'd imagine Chris would know about it. [[Chris and his ego|Probably]]. --[[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 10:50, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

== Skateboarding video ==

Found a video of Anna and skateboarding. Not sure if this can go anywhere, but it's interesting. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fyaVPoDh_d4 Video] -[[User:GhostofKittyChandler|GhostofKittyChandler]] ([[User talk:GhostofKittyChandler|talk]]) 19:06, 7 August 2018 (UTC)

== What about now? ==

Anyone know what she's up to in the wake of him fucking his mom? might be worth looking into.--[[User:Blue Bully|Blue Bully]] ([[User talk:Blue Bully|talk]]) 13:26, 3 September 2021 (UTC)

:Is it relevant? When's the last time she involved herself? --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] ([[User talk:Thepicklesuitintheman|talk]]) 03:37, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

::IIRC, the last time anyone heard from her was during the Idea Guys saga, and she reacted in a way that indicated she didn't really have much interest in Chris anymore. --[[User:HarryHowler|HarryHowler]] ([[User talk:HarryHowler|talk]]) 08:33, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

== Kim Wilson ==
{{quote|Anna is also known to lash out at people who threaten her privileged position by befriending Chris, including Kim Wilson, whom Anna tried to falsely out as a troll. | [[Anna McLerran|Anna's page]] on Anna and [[Kim Wilson]]}}

Well it turns out she was right. Shall we update it? [[User:Alatariel|Alatariel]] ([[User talk:Alatariel|talk]]) 03:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Enablers

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Alatariel: /* Money given to Chris will not help sustain him */

{{Honest}}
{{Articleofthenow}}
[[File:Helena Fiorenza with Magi-Chan.jpg|300px|thumb|[[Helena Fiorenza]], a fantasy enabler who feeds into Chris's delusion that Magi-chan is real.]]
'''Enablers''', or '''Devotees of Chris Chan Sonichu''' ('''DoCCS''') as Chris has termed them,<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1190784675750514688</ref> are those who encourage Chris's negative behavior and/or self-destructive habits.

Enablers can be divided into two main classes: the first being financial enablers throwing money at Chris, and the second being the fantasy enablers endorsing Chris's [[Ego|grandiose]] delusions. They are not necessarily limited to doing these. The overall characteristic that defines all enablers is that they perform an action with the sole purpose of encouraging Chris to live like a child, whether it be encouraging him not to be employed, providing him his most basic needs, roleplaying with him, and much, much more.

Some enablers (and [[white knights]]) fall into a sub-group referred to as Anti-Trolls, those who try to ward other trolls and Quintet members away from Chris to have him for themselves. These are not to be confused with [[Counter-Trolls|counter-trolls]], who primarily fight against trolls to protect Chris, rather to troll him themselves.

==Fantasy enablers==
[[Chris and reality|Chris's grip on what is real]] and what is being fed to him was [[PandaHalo|never]] [[Julie|that]] [[Ivy|robust]] to begin, and has eroded even further after years of [[sagas|being deliberately misled]]. It has wasted away to such an extent that he is nearly incapable of distinguishing seemingly even what ideas come from his head and what came from others. Enablers exploit this fact by presenting Chris with their own invented information about the [[Dimensional Merge]] or Chris's [[imaginary friends]], validating his thoughts and convincing him that [[TRUE and LOYAL fanbase|he is not alone]]. A prime example of this is [[Jacob Sockness]], who used fictional dialogue between various characters between Chris's characters and his own imaginary pantheon. Chris fully believed that this dialogue was legitimate and expressed that he had heard it himself. Collectively, these enabler fabrications are known as the '''cult of the Idea Guys''', for they had their root in the Idea Guys' example and have become the basis of [[Chris and religion#Doctrines of CWCianity|Chris's religious beliefs]]. This pseudo cult's name is meant to poke fun at how Chris has incorporated all of his beliefs, and turned it into a religion, where followers worship him as their God. Since the [[Idea Guys]] saga showed to everyone by mid-[[2018]] that Chris really was this gullible, the go-to method for those trying to influence Chris has been to act as enablers of his delusions, replacing the previous method of posing as [[sweethearts]].

==Financial enablers==
Beside sanctioning his belief in his own divinity, there is one other way that enablers have found in winning Chris over: through his wallet. Though his situation is not nearly as dire as during the [[Financhu Crisis]] some years ago, Chris remains as [[Chris and money|irresponsible with money]] and [[Chris and work|adamant not to work]] as always. As a result, it is always precarious at best. Providing him with the money he regularly requests, whether through lavishing him with expensive gifts, buying his [[Chris and business|overpriced, shoddy merchandise]] or [[Patreon|donating monthly for comics he does not want to make]], is a technique used by enablers who can afford it as [[Sarah and Steve]], and even some who cannot, as [[Aly Hirschberg]], to present themselves to Chris as being kindly and selfless, often in combination with worshiping and joining in his role-playing. Over the years, Chris has gotten thousands from his audience in the form of donations and considerations. He has received thousands more in sales through storefronts such as [[eBay]] and [[Etsy]].

As the notice on our homepage suggests, '''the CWCki strongly advises against giving Chris money'''.

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Amount
! From
! Date received
! Details
|-
|A laptop computer
|A ween in North Carolina
|[[August 2011]]
|Chris spoke about it in [[Gratitude for a good person in N.C.]]. A common theory is that the laptop had been infected with a keylogger, but Chris outsmarted the ween by upgrading the computer.
|-
|$500
|[[Kiwi Farms]]
|[[January 2014]]
|Donated by fans after the house fire.<ref>[[Destruction Of Chris's House#Aftermath and reaction]]</ref>
|-
|$150
|Fans
|[[September 2014]]
|From a Kickstarter campaign in which Chris explicitly stated he would use it to buy [[Lego]]s.<ref>[[Kickstarter]]</ref>
|-
|$1,000
|[[DStecks]]
|[[September 2015]]
|Donated during the climax of his review series of ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' to fund the production of new pages for the comic; Chris used it to buy a new bed (arguably one of his only sensible purchases in recent years) but then failed to keep his side of the deal for almost two years.
|-
|$500
|Kiwi Farms user [[Weening|Sonic Rainboom]]
|[[September 2015]]
|Sent Chris a Visa card with $500.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-finds-a-gift-card-spends-it.13723/</ref> Later admitted doing it to get "interesting content".<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-finds-a-gift-card-spends-it.13723/page-11#post-1054932</ref> It is worth noting the absurd hours that Chris was making these purchases – the majority of them were between [[Biological clock|midnight and 5 AM]].
<center><gallery>
File:Sonic rainboom $500 1.png|Rainboom spent $500 to find that Chris likes McDonald's.
File:Sonic rainboom $500 2.jpg
File:Sonic rainboom $500 3.jpg
</gallery></center>
|-
|Hundreds
|Mostly [[weens]]
|Summer 2016
|During the [[Financhu Crisis]], a pattern formed of Chris begging for money, then briefly stating that he had received donations before begging for more money.
|-
|$2,650
|Selling [[Relics of Fail]]
|August 2016 onwards
|[[Megatron pistol]] ($50), [[Sonic Totem]] ($1,500), [[Pokéwalker of Fail]] ($100), [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|ShecameforCWC]] ($1,000, as part of a set).
|-
|$4,816.43
|[[Patreon]]
|December 2016 onwards
|Chris earned pledges from fans and weens every month.
|-
|$1,000
|Selling binders of old Pokémon and UFS cards.
|January 2018 onwards
|Four binders of cards.<ref>[[eBay]]</ref> At least one was purchased by a seller hoping to resell the individual cards.
|-
|$100
|Selling stained pages of [[Sonichu 14|''Sonichu'' #14]]
|February 2018
|Literally selling trash.
|-
|$1,300
|[[Jack Jankowski]]<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-4#post-3273576</ref>
|April 2018
|Jack gave Chris $1,200 for a luxury trip to the 2018 [[BronyCon]] in the hopes that he would get to meet him there. Chris thanked him for the money in [[I have been paid to go; we’ll see if I can go (Seriously To Be Determined)]]. Jack also paid $100 for a [[April 2018 Paid Video Requests#Message to Dio Brando, Plus I Need a New Phone!|video (which Chris decided to bookend with unrelated begging announcements)]].
|-
|$1,000
|[[Miss Cherry]]
|July 2018
|Tried the pay-to-play method to being Chris's next sweetheart and failed.
|-
|$391
|[[Aly Hirschberg]]<ref name=interview>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5482182 Hirschberg admits she bought the blankets, 19 October 2019]</ref>
|Summer 2018
|{{quote|it’s about 3 hours wages for me, I don’t mind spending that on some christory}}

During summer 2018, an anonymous "vRS Davison" said in YouTube's comments section that she decided to spend $200 to buy an old blanket from Barb on [[eBay]], because she somehow considered it to be a piece of "Christory".<ref>[[My Mother WORKED Hard, Spent Hard; Needs Money NOW]]</ref>

It evidently was not enough to pay a ridiculous sum of money for one blanket, as when Barb put more blankets up for sale,<ref>[[2018 Sales Listings#Barbara's Blankets]]</ref> vRS Davison purchased another one for $100, plus $25 shipping.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-124#post-3691978</ref> In [[October 2019]], Aly Hirschberg would reveal that she purchased them through a US proxy.

In November 2019, she paid for a $41 set of [[TSSSF]] cards.<ref>http://archive.md/xJPcM</ref> and gave $50 for a Magi-Chan medallion<ref>http://archive.md/tza90</ref>
|-
|$500
|Jill Duncan<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-189#post-4317687</ref>
|February 2019
|A "Jill Duncan" pledged $500 per month to Chris's Patreon, asking to speak to Chris, then cancelled the pledge ten days later (but because Chris's Patreon account is set to "upfront payment", Chris still got the initial $500 and used it to purchase a replacement [[Xbox]]). There is no indication Chris ever spoke to Jill, as she requested.
|-
|$400
|[[Sarah and Steve]]
|Spring 2019
|Bought Chris a Nintendo Switch ($300), gave him $100 on Patreon. Also claimed to have funded a room for him at the 2019 BronyCon ($600) but pulled it due to Chris not paying attention to them.
|-
|~$2,000
|[[Joseph Draft]]
|April 2019
|According to the creator of [[Chris-Chan: A Comprehensive History]], who was approached by Draft before the now infamous trailer was relisted, in order to get footage for a documentary, he had payed Chris and Barb an undisclosed amount.<ref>https://youtu.be/HP_fIAJLI2w?t=489</ref> Assuming that the Kickstarter was meant to cover the costs ''already made'', the budgeted $2,000 as payment for the "collaborators"<ref>https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/jdraft/chris-chan-vs-the-internet</ref> is the maximum amount Chris and Barb could have been given, from the information available.
|-
|$200
|David90637947
|May 2019
|Commissioned Chris via Twitter for a Sonichu [[medallion]], shelling out $200 in order to get Chris's attention (medallions were $30 each when Chris sold them on Ebay). Became a Twitter white knight for Chris, until Chris mass blocked some perceived trolls, including David.
<center><gallery>
File:David90637947 pleading for a medallion.png|David pleading for the chance to buy a Sonichu medallion.
File:David90637947's medallion request.png|Chris acknowledges him after he waves $200.
File:David90637947's $200 Sonichu medallion.jpg|The received medallion.
File:David90637947's review.png|David's glowing review.
File:David90637947 blocked.png|Whining over being blocked by Chris.
</gallery></center>
|-
|$600
|BronyCon donor
|July 2019
|After Chris repeatedly begged on Twitter for $600 to fund a hotel room after his previous plan fell through (crashing with [[Sarah and Steve]], who had ghosted him earlier because Chris kept ignoring their messages), a fan donated to Chris.<ref>[[July 2019 social media posts]]</ref>
|- class="sortbottom"
!style="background-color:#E9E9E9; text-align:right;", colspan="3"|Total
!style="font-weight:bold;color:#FF0000"|~$17,616.43
|}

==Motives for enabling Chris==
There are several motives people make for enabling Chris, these include the following.

===To profit off of the community surrounding Chris===
{{Main|Carpetbaggers}}
Many of these enablers are opportunistic hacks who aim to use Chris's platform to launch their career. These people do not have the talent required to making anything worthwhile and bait Chris into talking about them to help launch their career.

A recent enabler, [[Ben Saint]], badly attempted to develop a saga of his own within Christory by copying what Alec Benson Leary did, which was to promote his own media and make money off of the fools who would buy that stuff. To do this, he fed into Chris's delusions, and added [[Sonichu Special 7|some of his own characters]] into the Sonichu comics.

===Joining the creative community surrounding Chris===
{{Protip|Nobody is stopping you from making fan art, just try to make sure Chris himself doesn't see it.}}
Observers of Chris often include people who like drawing as a hobby. While many will post their artwork at places strictly for discussing Chris, such as [[Kiwi Farms]] or [[Reddit]], to keep their distance from Chris, enablers approach Chris directly with their fanart. on [[Twitter]] or [[Discord]], seeking his opinion - despite knowing full well he has issues distinguishing [[reality]] from fantasy and will interpret their artwork as it happening literally. Over time, these enablers built up a community for sharing their artwork, with the side-effect of affirming Chris's fantasies.

===Attention whores===
Some of these enablers desperately seek attention, and approval from Chris is something they crave for the most. These people cannot contribute anything to society and therefore will never get a Wikipedia page of their own, so the CWCki is the next best alternative. People such as [[MKRNightVee]], [[Helena Fiorenza]], [[Jacob Sockness]], [[Sarah and Steve]] and Richard Righteous come under this category. They often ardently defend Chris's beliefs about being an all powerful goddess and getting into lengthy arguments with others over their actions.

===To make Chris produce content artificially===
For most people, it would be utterly despicable to manipulate someone as mentally ill as Chris, let alone so that he can become a means for their enjoyment. For the enablers with more spiteful intents in mind, they would argue that the reason that they are further deluding Chris is because it would encourage him to produce more content. They would tell Chris all kinds of nonsensical stories, just so that he can act like their own personal lolcow to laugh at.

==="I'm just supporting him/her/them"===
[[File:CWCLivestream Fan, 12 Feb. 2020.png|thumb|right|[[Other enablers#Eschcal|Eschcal]], seen here donating $10 to Chris, shows all the hallmarks of an enabler, in that they pretend to be a fan and hope their financial donations will make Chris do what they want - in reality, Chris is most likely using their cash to buy [[Video games]].]]
This argument is most common among the more white knight- or social justice-oriented crowd. Those who take this approach see Chris as a victim of the "alt-right trolls" or whatever villain of the week has been created to oppress them. As such, to them Chris is a beautiful, unique creature who is to be coddled and praised, regardless of the merit of that praise. Often this praise will be sycophantic in nature, with constant praise of Chris' artistic ability and creative genius. Another common narrative is that Chris is a grown adult who is perfectly capable of taking care of himself, easily separating the wheat from the chaff in regards to orbiters. [[Sarah and Steve|We'll let you]] [[Jacob Sockness|decide how]] [[Idea Guys|competent he is]].

===To protect him from other enablers===

Some enablers have already realized that it is impossible to communicate to Chris unless they can entertain his beliefs, so they attempt to assist Chris by, at first, playing into his own fantasies and then subsequently attempting to dismantle those fantasies from the inside, or encourage less harmful ones. However, attempts at doing so have mostly failed.

==Arguments against enabling Chris==

Whether you intend to help Chris, make him fall further into his delusions, or attempt to pull a [[Liquid Chris]] on him by playing along with his delusions, there are a handful of reasons for why enabling Chris generally is not considered a good idea by most people.

===Enabling Chris gives him a motive to never change===

It goes without saying, but if one's beliefs are confirmed all of the time by the people that surround them, they have very little reason to change the way they are. This kind of "helping" Chris is what made him so [[Ego|egocentric]] and [[Nostalgia|puerile]] in the first place, and that was when it was just his parents enabling him. Even if you ''do'' have good intentions and a genuine desire to help Chris, this way of "helping" is ironically one of the most harmful things you can do to him. By reinforcing the delusional state of a mentally ill person, you are doing nothing but unintentionally making their life worse. On one hand, fantasy enablers will play into Chris's desire to relive his childhood. On the other hand, financial enablers will constantly donate him money out of guilt. The actions from both groups combined have made Chris deny any sort of adult responsibilities because it made him believe that he can [[Work|sit on his ass all day]], [[Mysticism|daydreaming]], as other people provide his basic needs for him.

The impact of the [[Idea Guys]] has been ''catastrophic'' to both Chris's mental state and the Sonichu universe: in recent years, Chris's mental state has deteriorated from fantasy-prone escapism to complete detachment from [[reality]]. Chris has become so delusional that he believes he is married to several Sonic recolors and a Pokémon as part of a [[polyamorous marriage]], is a goddess with psychic powers, and is worshiped by millions as their lord and savior.

By indulging Chris – that is, encouraging a {{age|1982|2|24}}-year-old man to believe he is really a deity and [[anime]] character after he was tricked into thinking that in the first place – '''you are only making things worse''', and even helping to perpetuate the Idea Guys' machinations. When a person has deluded themselves into a belief that is potentially harmful to themselves and others, the best thing to do is not to reinforce said delusion, but rather to get the person professional help. Telling him that [[TRUE and LOYAL fanbase|others]] agree with his nonsense only causes him to become even further detached from [[Chris and reality|the real world]] than he already is.

Agreeing with Chris that he is the holy patroness of [[Commodore 64|a computer from the '80s]] and that cartoon characters will soon [[Chris and religion#Afterlife and eschatology|start showing up]] in the real world has also proven a prerequisite to interacting with him for any extended period of time. Even if you do not intend to indulge in his fantasies, you cannot interact with him normally to undo any of of the damage done by enablers. The [[Guard Dogs]], who originally intended to keep Chris from getting manipulated again, also needed to play along by alleging that Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]] was causing psychic chaos to gain their position over him. Most who are willing to play along with Chris in this way would justify their actions to third parties by professing they are doing this to help Chris in the end. Unfortunately, despite their efforts, Chris had refused to cooperate with them any further, and decided to go back to his fantasy world and continue falling for other enablers, no matter what they said or did to him.

Rarely does [[Ben Saint|interacting with him yourself]] to tell him about your world clashing with his create the same effect as him getting angry over [[Sonic Boom|a minor character alteration]] or getting irrationally mad at a nonexistent enemy. In the past, some of the best Chris content has come from his own head and actions.

Most of the time he is not even bothered by it anymore, seeing it as another happenstance in the world he created himself. This proves that by enabling Chris, you are doing the exact opposite of what triggers the best of Chris by giving him what he wants or further confirming him and lulling him into a sense of complacency where he is less likely to produce meaningful and/or entertaining content. Chris will always try to get what he wants, whether or not it is good for him. To add salt to an open wound, Chris has previously stated that trolling efforts from people like the [[Teen Troon Squad]] do not faze him at all, purely because they agreed with his views and were polite to him. Therefore, it would be insane to even think that trolling Chris in this fashion would get a laugh out of anyone.

Chris also no longer believes in basic scientific principles, especially in the the biology department, and already believes himself, and presumably himself alone, to completely understand the difference between what is real and what is fictional.<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1205200341677084673</ref> He believes that all diseases are a result of extreme stress, and that by being psychically connected to a virus, he can completely obliterate whatever ails him. For example, when Chris got a cold on December 2019, he believed that the primary reason for this was due to how he was triggered by the redesigns of his Sonichu characters by [[ProjectSNT]]. If Chris gets inflicted with a disease, he will tell himself that said illnesses simply arose from his emotions and disturbances from other dimensions, as opposed to acknowledging he's ill and taking steps to help himself. To continuously try and enable him with these beliefs, Chris gets put at risk of suffering even worse ailments without the proper care or treatment. Thus, '''when you enable Chris' delusions, you are directly putting his life in danger.'''

===The knowledge gap between you and Chris===
Since the very beginning, Chris has had [[Autism|difficulties]] in empathizing with other people, or seeing things through their point of view. This especially holds true today, where he has become absorbed within his fantasy land. Some fantasy enablers, particularly in the artist community, might believe they are not doing any harm by drawing fanart or fancomics that Chris likes. However, these people are fully aware that what they draw is simply fiction – Chris is not. '''Chris doesn't care about your fanart the way you think he would'''. He now sees it as evidence he can use to confirm his beliefs about the universe. Directly giving Chris fanart encourages his retreat from reality as he then spends time "astral-projecting" to the dimension he believes the artwork depicts instead of working on improving his real-world life. There is nothing inherently wrong with creating fanart of Sonichu or Sonichu characters, however doing things such as creating a persona Twitter account, aggressively pushing your art on Chris, and RPing as your character does make it highly likely that Chris will use the art as an excuse to recede deeper into his fantasy world.

===Getting sucked into drama surrounding Chris===
[[File:NoticeMeSenpai.jpg|thumb|Imagine this, but as a flame war over Chris.]]
The time and energy spent on getting sucked into drama, just to see who can influence Chris the most, is one of the classic signs of enabling. Because of how trolling Chris is the one-way ticket to fame for some, and due to the amount of people going by the Idea Guys' techniques, there has been a constant power struggle between groups of enablers vying for Chris's attention. Enablers have been trying to ward off one another in order to reign Supreme.

An example is a group with [[Jacob Sockness]] and [[Sarah and Steve]] clashing against a group with [[MKRNightVee]] and [[AquaDiamond8]]. Sockness, perceiving MKRNightVee as a barrier to his schemes, embarked on a smear campaign maligning her to Chris and nearly succeeded. MKRNightVee found herself in the precarious position of both doubling down on her allegiance to Chris's beliefs to keep her in his graces, while trying to convince him that the parts of his beliefs that Sockness planted into his mind were invalid – representing time and effort going to enabling.

As you may have guessed by now, this is a very sad situation to find yourself in. You are fighting endlessly over the same weirdo who does not know or care that people are fighting over him, and you are putting yourself at the risk of becoming massive trollbait yourself by doing it.

===You won't be able to influence Chris forever===
Chris's fantasy beliefs getting validated just leaves an opening for others to eventually use down the line to manipulate him. An example is how a wave of copycats sprang up in the wake of the ousting of the [[Idea Guys]], with several successfully adapting their tactics to circumvent the efforts of the [[Guard Dogs]] to protect Chris.

A related example is [[MKRNightVee]], who took a page from the Idea Guys' playbook, pretending to be a [[CPU]] goddess to align herself with Chris's beliefs. MKRNightVee claimed the charade was for helping Chris, however by feeding into his delusions, she made it easier for others like [[Jacob Sockness]] to tap into Chris's beliefs to manipulate him in another direction.

===You will always be assumed to be acting in bad faith, regardless of your motives===
Due to how many white knights and weens have been using the same technique of playing along with Chris' fantasies, it has become much more difficult for Chris to determine if someone's been messing with him, or if they're genuinely trying to help him. Due to his continued façade of [[Chris and kindness|kindness]] towards other people, he will of course always go for believing them first until they betray him. Therefore, enablers are always placed on the same level of people like A-Logs and weens by Christorians, and are readily assumed to be acting in bad faith, no matter what they intend to do with Chris.

The confidence built by playing make-believe with Chris has been abused several times, and made people complete laughing-stocks of the internet as a result. [[Sarah and Steve]], [[Multidimensional White Knights]] and [[Jacob Sockness]] would all get their foot in the door by affirming Chris's beliefs, in some instances pretending to channel fictional characters ''from other [[dimensions]]'', and then betray that trust for their own entertainment. Onlookers from [[Kiwi Farms]] and the [[CWCki]] itself have watched white knights reveal themselves in fact to be weens many times before. The CWCommunity at large treats weens [[Weening#If you fail hard enough, you will become a target for trolls yourself|without mercy]]. Even if you are not like the many traitors in recent Christory, it is impossible to get through to Chris any longer without deceiving him, and such guile is not looked upon favourably. Others have poisoned the well before you. '''You will be assumed to be acting in bad faith if you try to influence Chris for any reason, and treated accordingly'''.

===If you fail hard enough, you will be laughed at by the internet===
[[File:Helena Fiorenza and Magi-Chan6.jpg|thumb|300px|Trust us, it's just not worth it!]]

At one point or another, you will be caught in the act, and you are going to have to spill the beans on your elaborate trolling scheme. Before you can even do so, someone is likely going to stumble across some really embarrassing information about you when they are trying to track down your motives. Remember, if you enable Chris, you will be assumed to be acting in bad faith, so the last thing you would want to do is show off, [[Idea Guys|especially when others tell you to stop]]. Most enablers do not appear to be aware of the dire consequences of sharing their brilliant plans on various sites that either target Chris or ones he regularly uses, and they thus become the site's laughing stock of the month, just by skipping this caveat in their plans.

An infamous example of this is the failed trolling plan of [[Sarah and Steve]]. Sarah first got the attention of Chris by asking for a Rosechu medallion, which Chris had undoubtedly agreed to after they bribed him with a Nintendo Switch. Sarah then told Chris that she and Steve would move over to Virginia to be his only friends to "help" him out by giving him endless gifts and playing pretend with him as a means of further deluding Chris. This has brought them negative attention from trolls. Even more so when they made a rise up when they tried to get themselves noticed by other prominent enablers to be declared "King of the Weens".

A more infamous example would be [[Jacob Sockness]], an amateur sorcerer from San Francisco who pretended to be sexually attracted to Chris. When he was discovered by the Kiwi Farms in 2018, he became one of the site's most popular topics of discussion due to his many absurd obsessions and mannerisms. He too had a lot in common with Chris, being autistic, receiving a monthly tugboat, and believing to possess magical powers.

[[Miss Cherry]] had also proven himself to be a target of ridicule after he had posted in an inactive thread about him on the [[Kiwi Farms]], just so that he can leak his trolling plan and show off. The Farms naturally did not approve of this, and were not reluctant to dox him. This was made worse when he decided to double down and continuously talk about how Internet famous all of this would make him.

So the next time you attempt to troll Chris through enabling, always remember that you are at a great risk of being a target of ridicule yourself.

===If you’re successful enough, it can come off as just plain depraved===
Out of all of the five groups represented in the Unholy Quintet, enablers can arguably be considered some of the worst in many cases. Just like with A-Logging, and Carpetbagging, the biggest reason of all for why you should not enable Chris with malicious intents in mind is for the legal liability. For some enablers, enabling Chris is more than just a game to mess with his comics. It can get to the point where they realize they can use his gullibility as a tool to do such malicious things to himself. Some can even tell him to go as far as telling him to commit abuse to both himself, and to other people, as well as extort money from him.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref> If this is to show you anything about enabling Chris with the intent of trolling him, it is that if you go far enough with this practice, ''you'' will become the villain, rather than the funniest guy in the chatroom.

===Money given to Chris will not help sustain him===
After reading the above, you might realize that role playing with Chris will not place you on the trolling [[honor roll]] anytime soon, yet you might still wish to help him, and consider some kind of monetary contribution instead. This is also a bad idea. Up until [[August 2021]], Chris was adequately [[14 Branchland Court|housed]] and fed (even if both leave [[Tour of Chris's House III|much to]] [[Obesity|be desired]]), and his [[monthly tugboat]] from the United States government provided him and [[Barbara Chandler|his mother]] with necessary financial support enough that he, in fact, used to make more money ''doing absolutely nothing'' than the average household worldwide gets for an entire family's labour.<ref>Social Security Disability Insurance [https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/082015/what-are-maximum-social-security-disability-benefits.asp pays on average] $1,237 monthly, so $29,688 yearly for Chris and Barb combined. For comparison, the [https://news.gallup.com/poll/166211/worldwide-median-household-income-000.aspx global median household income] is $9,733.</ref> He certainly was not destitute.

[[Chris and money|Chris's relationship with money]] is unhealthy. While he has not got himself into as much of a bind as Barb has, he lacks the forethought to save money for the future and attend to his financial affairs in a responsible way. He often spends his money on frivolities and then turns to his fanbase to pay for necessary expenses that he could have covered himself had he not squandered his money away. While concerns for what will become of Chris after his mother passes are legitimate, Chris evidently shows [[Chris and work|no concern for planning for his future]] when Barb is no longer with him, and any money that you give him now to help secure his future will be frittered away on ''[[My Little Pony]]'' merchandise or [[vidya]]. Giving him more money now just teaches him that he is free to live beyond his means without a shred of responsibility because people like you will be happy to foot the bill. '''Your money will be wasted in Chris's hands and is best kept out of them'''.

As of [[November 2021]] Chris is currently being held at the [[Chris's homes#Central Virginia Regional Jail|Central Virginia Regional Jail]] and is currently awaiting trial for the charge of [[incest]]. Arguably, [[Chris and nutrition#Prison food|jail food]] provides a much needed improvement over his regular diet. As such, sending money to his inmate account would likely be spent in [[Jail Letter - 25 October 2021|nothing but junk food]] from the commissary.

===It's just not worth it===
Seriously, don't even bother playing pretend with Chris at this point. At the end of the day, he's [[Chris and mental healthcare|a seriously mentally-ill individual]] approaching his forties, and is in dire need of assistance from professionals. No matter what zany scheme you can come up with in an attempt to bring back [[Saga#Classic_Chris_Era_.2827_October_2007_to_20_March_2010.29|the good old days]], the fact of the matter is that attempting to feed Chris's delusions is a bad idea. Those days have long since passed as Chris progressively deteriorates.

Playing into his psychosis to help him invent new ways to humiliate himself and become increasingly deluded about his place in the universe, solely for your entertainment, is not something that should be encouraged at this stage in his life. Likewise, it's repeatedly been established that the vast majority of attempts by trolls to try to trick him into improving himself in the long term end up being futile at best and damaging at worst. At this point, it appears that Chris is the only person that can seriously work at fixing his life, and tragically enough, he seems to be more comfortable [[Chris and reality|living in his own little world]] than rethinking his life to ensure a stable future.

==See also==

*[[Weening]]
*[[White knights]]
*[[Ben Saint]] – A case of desperately garnering Internet fame
*[[Jacob Sockness]]
*[[Idea Guys#Joshua Allen Wise|Joshua Wise]] – The original "Idea Guy"
*[[Other enablers|Other enablers of Chris's delusions]]

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{{Articleofthenow}}
[[File:PickingUpLesbiansAtTheEndGames.jpeg|thumb|200px|The Man [[Chris_and_gender|herself]], October 2015]]
'''The End Games''' is a card-game shop in [[Charlottesville]] that Chris frequented until his ban in early 2018.

==Sightings==
Chris was spotted here by the brother of a [[Kiwi Farms]] user in [[October 2015]]<ref>[https://kiwifar.ms/threads/chris-sighting-at-game-shop.23117/| The Forum Post where the photo was leaked]</ref> wearing the [[Sonichu Medallion]] and a [[Chris and fashion|pink shirt and dress]].

The first of the [[BraveryJerk Interviews]] occurred here in [[September 2016]].

[[File:Cwc and cwc.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]

In [[January 2017]], he posted a photo of himself playing with his [[Christine Doll]]s while children play Pokémon around him.

Allegedly, in [[April 2017]], Chris dropped his medallion on the floor and had an outburst over it.<ref>http://cwcki.club/index.php?threads/chris-freaks-out-over-smashed-medallion.1335/</ref>

{{quoteboxred|Christine had a meltdown today. He dropped his sonichu medallion and freaked. Screamed at everyone to not move an inch while he collected the pieces off the floor.}}

Although there is no concrete proof behind the allegation, there is a bit of circumstantial evidence for it. The incident was said to have happened on 2 April, a Sunday; during that day, Chris had tweeted, "Life is f***ed up. (I had a real stressful Sunday afternoon) Gawd! Just... GAWD!!!"<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/2017_tweets#STRESSFUL_SUNDAY._GAWD.21</ref>

In November 2017, amid his obsession with ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', Chris attended the club with bodyguards – in the form of [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Discord]], figments of his own imagination.

{{quote|I allowed Discord to enjoy some of the fun there. He watched a few Dungeon and Dragon-type games get played. I even allowed him to see if he could get one of my friends to notice and see him. But she didn't budge.|Chris's [[Chris and reality|delusions]] spilling over into the real world [[Mary Lee Walsh|again]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/November_2017_Facebook_posts#Sharing_my_body_with_a_video_game_character</ref>}}

In early 2018, [[Emily]] spotted Chris loudly singing into his phone:

{{quoteboxyellow|He had been going for Pokemon night every week. I was there a while ago to pick some stuff up and he was there singing/wailing into his phone. While he got a couple of glances, it was unsettling how nonchalant everyone was, like this was a normal occurrence.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/3-23-18-trespass-after-forbidden-charge.40933/page-28#post-3212114</ref>}}

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==Management's perspective==
Weens have occasionally harassed the shop's management with made-up stories about Chris. The management has given responses showing they do keep an eye on Chris.

{{quote|We are aware of this customer and keep an eye on them because of their obvious strangeness. We do believe this person to be [[28 October 2011|harmless]]|The staff}}

<center><gallery>
File:End Games responds to a ween 1.png ‎|Weening from February 2017, note the outdated-by-years reference to blue arms.
File:End Games responds to a ween 2.PNG|From June 2017.
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==Banned==
On 20 March 2018, Chris posted a message to the Pokémon Club's Facebook page:<ref>[[March 2018 social media posts]]</ref>

{{quotebox| Yeah. How about telling Shan to let me back in so I can enjoy the fun again, Please?}}

Shan is possibly referring to Shane B., the owner of The End Games.

On 29 March, someone posted a comment on The End Games's Facebook about Chris. The staff responded:<ref>https://archive.fo/wpJX0</ref>

{{quoteboxgreen|We hate to have to ban anyone as we try to be all inclusive. We do hope the environment will be more enjoyable for everyone now.}}

A fan asked Shane whether Chris was arrested, which he denied.<ref>[[:File:End_Games_owner_denies_Chris_Chan_arrested.jpg]]</ref>

[[Emily]] found out the reason for the ban:

{{quoteboxyellow|Chris did get banned from The End because apparently he got into a disagreement with a new judge and the manager(unsurprisingly) took the judge's side. No idea about any other details, but I'm sure you all can imagine his reaction.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/3-2018-trespassed-at-fashion-square-mall-banned-from-end-games.40933/page-32#post-3293101</ref>}}

==Gallery==

<center><gallery>
File:CWCnov15.jpg|Facebook profile pic in November 2015
File:Chrispic3.jpg|August 2016, Thursday night club. Taken by [[BraveryJerk]].
File:Cwc card box.jpg|Christian's Pokémon Box
File:Chris The Classic public1.jpg|May 2017, modelling [[The Classic]].
File:Pokemon club chris.jpeg|October 2017, wearing the [[Z-Ring]].
File:End games jan2018.jpg|January 2018, showing off his bling at a ''Pokémon Ultra Prism'' pre-release, three days before [[C-Log 01312018 - Selling my Older Pokémon Cards for my mother’s teeth|begging for money for his mother's teeth]].
File:Drawing on easel at End Games, Feb 2018.jpg|Drawing [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]] pages in February 2018.
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==External links==

[http://www.theendgames.co/ The End Games Website]
== References ==
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Alatariel: 16429 is actually just one among many zip codes in Xochimilco, Mexico City.

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*7 October - Chris announces that he's [[October 2017 Facebook posts#In recovery|recovering from the breakup]], and adds that [[CWCville]]'s zip code is 16429 - which is a zip code in Mexico City. He uploads [[October 2017 Patreon posts#Woah! How much weight did he just lose now?!|a bizarre sketch of Sonichu rapidly losing weight]] for [[Sonichu 12]].
*6 October - Newly single Chris [[October_2017_Facebook_posts#Quinn.27s_missing_out|drowns his sorrows in ice cream]], insisting that Quinn is missing out on [[Jessica Quinn#Fat fetishism|being aroused by his obesity]]. He waits to see a [[My Little Pony]] movie with his [[Chris and socialization|Pokemon club friends]], [[October 2017 tweets#No GF for movie date|lamenting that he has no GF]] to see it with because of his fanbase. He views a Kiwi Farms thread on the breakup and [[Kiwi Farms#Forum ratings|rates several of Doopie's posts]].
*5 October - [[Jessica Quinn]] deactivates her Facebook account. Chris pleads with her to text him in [[IMG 5424]]. Quinn then officially breaks up with Chris, saying it was because her Facebook account was hacked. Chris rages in [[CLog 10042017 - Q&A NO MORE!!!]] and on a new [[Kiwi Farms#I CURSE EACH AND EVERY ONE OF YOU ALL!!! To Hell, Back, Hell, Back, and Hell Again!!!|Kiwi Farms thread]].
*4 October - Chris registers a new account at troll forum [[Kiwi Farms]], posting that he will take questions and answer them; later, he [[CLog 10042017 - Q&A 1|live streams his responses]]. He [[October 2017 Facebook posts#MLP kids party|wants to take Jessica Quinn]] to a MLP party meant for children on 7 October.
*3 October - Chris opens a [[Redbubble]] shop. Pages 84-94 of [[Sonichu 12]] are released on [[Patreon]].
*30 September - Chris [[September 2017 tweets#Chris refuses to get a job|still refuses to get a job]].
*29 September - Chris rationalizes why [[September 2017 tweets#Chris attempts to justify stealing from fanartists|he stole fanart for his Patreon account]]. He uploads previews of a storyline in Sonichu 12 in which [[September 2017 Patreon posts#Fat Rosechu|Rosechu gets fat]].

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==Three videos from the 12th==
Why are they not here? We have Chris singing, Chris out in public with actual sunlight, and making a dumb as fuck comment, that is what an update is, my friends. You may be saying "But Champthom, why haven't you?" and I say to you "NO U!" Seriously, stuff should go on this template first before it ends up on the CWChronology. Srsly. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:30, 15 July 2009 (CEST)

==Gardening==
Did a little gardening by removing a few of the posts from this template. It was taking up quite a bit of room on the main page.

Remember to add to both [[Da Update]] and the corresponding month and vice versa, sometimes this doesn't happen. [[User:Granola|Granola]] 02:11, 16 August 2009 (CEST)

== Da update versus CWCipediaTracker ==

People, please, given the status of the CWCipedia, all CWCipedia related updates belong in the [[:Template:CWCipediaTracker|CWCipedia Tracker]] whereas things like new videos, leaked material, etc. belong here in Da update.

Seriously, I am disappoint. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 02:36, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
* I think a lot of that is my fault. I didn't understand the difference; I assumed they overlapped. Sorry about that. - [[User:Liquid!|Liquid!]] 15:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

== A book? ==

Chris is seriously writing a book? That can't be true. Also, he mentions that one of his "gal friends" is helping him write it. This has got to be one of Chris's lies. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 02:04, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:* Maybe he's getting over ''Sonichu'' even if he promised a super-duper issue for the tenth anniversary of the Fail-Comic. As far as the "Lady-Friend" goes, we saw her in a previous video. (Hint; she's inflatable). [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 02:31, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
:::I feel sorry for [[Kimmi]]. She is always dragged into Chris's bullshit and she is unable to object to it. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 02:58, 10 March 2010 (UTC)
*Guys, [[CWCki:NOTAFORUM|CWCki is not a forum]]. Stuff like this doesn't belong here. There's other places to discuss this like [http://legi0n.789chan.org/cwc/res/25081.html this Krapple thread] or something like that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:20, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

== It should be obvious but ==

Only Chris related updates belong here.

Shit like [[Sonichu: The Animated Series]] can go on the [[Fan:Index]].

Srsly, don't pull this shit again or else someone is getting banned. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:46, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

== Important something which I will delete in a minute ==
Damnit, how do I get to the cwcipedia tracker? Mailbag 60 is up. [[User:Thelieisacake|Thelieisacake]] 23:49, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
*I got it covered. In future, when you edit the main page, it'll give a link to the templates used on the main page at the bottom. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 00:08, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

==Suggested Update==
Someone added Sydney getting busted to the months events, so did we want to add it here?

Suggestion: In a rare win for Chris, the manchild identifies and shoots down a [[Sydney Contacts|troll]] based off information garnered from the troll forums.

--[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 23:45, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

I assume that you told nobody of your plan to pose as a girl with the intent of getting him to answer the Mailbag again. It wasn't any moment of clarity, he just had you mixed up with Jackie.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 00:07, 14 May 2010 (UTC)
:*I am firmly 'No Comment'ing anything that relates to how, precisely, Sydney's cover was blown. Sorry mate. If you are desperate to know, you should know where to go to ask. PS <3 your rambles, FYI. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 01:04, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== 17 June ==

Chris just returned to Twitter. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 01:04, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

:Is there a reason you're putting this on the talk page instead of the actual template? --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 01:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)
::<del>Template's locked.</del> Now for some reason it's open again. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 01:32, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

== Template locked ==

For the mall waiting video I think we should take the 'money' part out to avoid suspicion and revert it to 'unknown reason'. - [[User:Liquid!|Liquid!]] 17:20, 2 September 2010 (PDT)
*Why? I thought CWCki was against censorship. [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 17:27, 2 September 2010 (PDT)
**You need to unlock the template... [[Clyde_and_Tito_PS3_E-mails]] needs to be added...
**If we show that we know what Chris was waiting for, it could harm a very promising saga. I thought this was one of the things that we would keep quiet for now until it's safe to let Chris know that we be trollin'. - [[User:Liquid!|Liquid!]] 23:42, 2 September 2010 (PDT)
***Ohh... I see. I GUESS that makes sense, but the article is definitely on the CWCki and linked from quite a few pages. He might just search for it and find it anyway... but knowing Chris, that's not too likely. --[[User:Miss Noel|Noel Ari Paige]] 05:26, 3 September 2010 (PDT)

== I found something. ==

As of now on the Rule 34 Pahael site they have the picture of sailor moon Chris-chan as the featured image. Is this notable? Anyone care? [[User:No.|Written by this person.]] 15:30, 16 September 2010 (PDT)
:It's already been uploaded and added to the [[Sailor Moon]] article. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 15:36, 16 September 2010 (PDT)

== Is there a reason for a lack of new update notices? ==

--[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 10:43, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:I had a stab at it. With so many leaked documents recently, it's easy to forget about da update =) --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Notability and Da update ==

What makes something worthy of being included in Da update? If something's worth mentioning on the [[July 2011|monthly chronology]], wouldn't it also warrant a mention on Da update? I'm thinking specifically of the entry "21 July: Chris reveals his identity in a Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia post." from [[July 2011|here]].

== 'Where no shit is too minor.' ==
Why was the phone message update deleted? It was quite relevant if you think about it, as he sounded legitimately unwell. It is worth at least some discussion. --[[User:Reldnahc C|I am tomgirlmanbearpig]] 06:48, 9 December 2011 (PST)
: One word; Liability. I believe there's legal consequences in linking this material here. Now that the Virginian justice system is dealing with Chris, better not putting a lightning rod on top of this site. If Chris is dumb enough to not try to close the CWCki, Rocky is another matter. Download the audio and stash it, just don't post it here. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 07:53, 9 December 2011 (PST)
::I think he means the answering machine thing. The reason that's not up here is just because it's not "big" enough. Quite a few people only check the CWCki to look at the update. What goes in the update should be big enough to pique their interest. "Chris says he's sick" isn't good enough. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 07:58, 9 December 2011 (PST)
:: What the heck did Griffintown thing he meant? Feel free to say you can't say... but what the heck was up here that would have been considered a 'liability'? --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 09:42, 9 December 2011 (PST)
:::There's an audio file out there with Rocky talking about Chris. It's on the /cwc/ and I thought we were talking about this audio. As far as the answering machine's message goes, it doesn't fit on the update page. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 11:56, 9 December 2011 (PST)
:We also lack an exact date of when he changed the message. It may have been that way for a while. The liability thing is not an issue - it's more than beyond the scope of the court proceedings. But yeah - the main point is - no shit is to minor re: the CWCki in general - but Da update bulletins are reserved for significant developments, such as the release of new material (by Chris or about Chris from true trolls) or events that involve Chris or a major actor in his life so far. A dry spell for Chris news is not an excuse to lower the bar of what's significant and what isn't. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 11:35, 9 December 2011 (PST)
I was the one who added the message to the template, and I understand why it was removed. I do apologize. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 13:26, 9 December 2011 (PST)

== Is this new or not? ==

http://www.facebook.com/people/Christian-Weston-Chandler/100002534669114

It's most likely a troll account, but I've never seen that picture before. --[[User:R3trogay|R3trogay]] 10:10, 26 January 2012 (PST)
:Either it's Chris or it's someone DELIBERATELY HOARDING CONTENT and then leaking it for no reason. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 10:21, 26 January 2012 (PST)
*It's the same account that was accredited to be Chris's last time he made one...he just updated the photo for his profile and made a note in september. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 16:43, 26 January 2012 (PST)
**this IS chris however its not going on Da Update because chris DOES read the front page and dont want him to close his FB account [[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 05:03, 27 January 2012 (PST)

== Recent events ==

Dear old [[User:MellowColor|MellowColor]], perhaps the simplest of us all, is the first of you to ask the burning question - why isn't the new content, like Facebook and the Lemonade Stand thing, on Da update? Personally, I think these are significant developments that should be notified on Da update. After all, Da update is why most people come here - they'll come to see what's new with Chris. I think we should point out that yes, there is new content and Chris is up to his usual hijinks. Now of course, I understand why people have been reluctant to add it - they're afraid that Chris will see it, and stop posting stuff on Facebook and such. I can see that it'd be imprudent, but should we be concerned with Chris producing content? I personally don't like using the CWCki as a trolling tool, including censoring ourselves in order to get more content from Chris. But that's mostly my opinion though.

So what say you all? Should we perhaps have a [[Wikipedia:Media blackout|media blackout]] of sorts? Should we lock this template until Chris is producing content again? I've thought of adding something along the lines of "This template is currently in lockdown mode, please check Recent changes for up-to-date news" but of course that'll just mean Chris will start checking out Recent updates (though he'd have to go through the effort of picking out what's new). Should we raise the bar on what constitutes an update? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:19, 23 February 2012 (PST)
:I think while Chris is less active, we should lower the bar to a certain extent. It's not that we are desperate for Da Update to be updated all the time - but minor things can sometimes lead up to larger events, so Da Update can also serve as a "heads up" kind of system. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 06:56, 23 February 2012 (PST)

==EDIT WAR IN PROGRESS==

I'm getting several notificiations a minute about new edits and it's fucking with my down time. Talk it out here or somewhere else rather than just undoing one anothers' edits. Preferably with several minutes between posts. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 12:21, 12 April 2012 (PDT)

:Those who have access to Chris' Facebook have confirmed that the update is genuine, those who are in a position to confirm it on the ground have confirmed it. What more is required?[[User:Team CWCket|Team CWCket]] 12:58, 12 April 2012 (PDT)

::How was it confirmed, exactly? Did they talk to the girl he fucked? --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 13:07, 12 April 2012 (PDT)

::All I've seen of confirmation is Cogdev's twitter that the post is legit. I've yet to see a confirmation that Chris actually had sex with anyone, which is how the articles were written. Not to mention that the word of trolls has never been extremely reliable (see Ali Baboo or whatever his name was), it could be a joke for all we know.

::Waiting a few days for more confirmation (if it exists) is a good idea at this point. If no more comes of this, it should probably be left off the CWCki entirely in my opinion. If others disagree or if no confirmation exists that Chris actually had sex, we should write the articles accordingly, i.e. say Chris claims to have had sex, not just assuming that Chris actually told the truth for once. [[User:Jesusfish|Jesusfish]] 13:12, 12 April 2012 (PDT)

:::What form of confirmation would work for you?[[User:Team CWCket|Team CWCket]] 13:31, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::Confirmation from multiple users who have shown to be reliable in the past. Screenshots from other users. An actual picture (as in from a camera) or video of the facebook account or anything harder to fake. Something from the facebook of someone who we know is actually in contact with him, etc. One easily photoshopped picture really isn't much to go on.
::::Hell, Cogs or another admin could come on and tell us to keep it up and then it would stay. But that email from the Gameplace incident didn't go up for quite a while because it wasn't verifiable, this is no different. This is more an ED sort of thing until we get more info. [[User:Jesusfish|Jesusfish]] 13:56, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::I think you have a good point with the GAMePLACe email. From my understanding, that one didn't come through 'regular' channels, meaning it took longer than normal to verify, but I think having something more to go on would be useful. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 14:04, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::http://twitter.com/#!/cogsdev/status/190273723620794368 There's your confirmation. To be honest the only thing that surprises me about this is that he didn't do it as soon as Bob kicked the bucket.--[[User:GladesPlugin|GladesPlugin]] 14:46, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::Chris actually had sex. That's what the cwcki should say. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 13:45, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::Documented for blatant accuracy son.--[[User:Inos|Inos]] 16:08, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::With what I said above in mind, is there any way you can get a screencap that isn't so heavily cropped and/or uses the standard FaceBook font? I think one of the main reasons this has been doubted so far is because it LOOKS fake. All the other FaceBook screencaps have been in a standard format to which this screencap doesn't adhere. If you could get that, I think it would do a lot to assuage peoples' doubts. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 14:04, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::Uhh, maybe. But either way, Chris having gotten laid should be cwcki policy from now on. I think I have the authority to do that, right? I'm pretty sure I'm in the admin group. If not, I'll just find champ or cogs and have them do it. But I'm pretty sure I'm in the admin group. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 14:10, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::If Canine is considered a good enough source (if he isn't he should be) would it be alright for me to revert the relevant edits? Or would people prefer me to wait until a better screenshot is provided? (The old one can always stay up as a placeholder before being replaced by a new one.)[[User:Team CWCket|Team CWCket]] 14:17, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::: For the record, This is just Chris CLAIMING to have lost his virginity, not actual confirmation of his lost virginity. You can write that Chris CLAIMED to have gotten laid, not that he actually got laid. That's my $.02 --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 14:31, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::::No one's answered my question. Do we have a confirmation from the supposed unlucky woman and her identity is being withheld or are we just taking Chris's word for it? --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 14:34, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::::I agree with this. That's been the standard on what we do when Chris has said things of this nature in the past. If there's something else that acts as evidence aside from Chris' testimony, I think we should wait until it's released to claim that what he said was actually true. Chris has a tendency to integrate fiction into what he presents as reality. For example, I think it's reasonable to assume that they didn't actually "hit it off from the shared characteristic of being good people". Until we know what's real and what isn't, I don't think we should present any of it as more than what Chris said happened. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 14:43, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::::::Uhh... I don't know. Like, sure, Chris will bullshit things. I'd say that Chris actually got laid. Chris got genuine vaginal sex. I can't verify anything else he claimed. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 14:50, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::::::I don't doubt that he did. I don't think you'd be pushing this if you didn't believe it. I think the issue Jesusfish was pointing out with the mention of the GAMePLACe email, and the main issue I have, is that unlike almost everything on the wiki that's presented as fact, there's not yet any physical confirmation that what he said correlates with reality. If there's more, which it would seem there is from your certainty, that's fine, but if it's not publicly available, it doesn't matter if we all agree that everything Chris wrote is true, it's against policy to treat it as fact. To quote the policy:
::::::::::"In order for something to be considered update worthy, it has to be a publicly available media involving Chris. '''While there are many reliable sources who can provide information on Chris, it still does not hold up to encyclopedic standards, which CWCki strives to adhere to.'''" I'm not saying I don't believe you, just that we shouldn't say it's true until we have something that indicates that it is beyond the boasts of the world's least reliable narrator. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 15:08, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::::::So... the former, then? Cool, thanks for answering. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 15:26, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::Thanks, by the way. It's been bothering me as much as it's been bothering other people and I think it's something that should be cleared up while it's still fresh. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 14:44, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::I'm really starting to think this is just part of a trolling attempt on Chris and/or the trolls by PVCC. A bunch of users who haven't done anything for years show up and try really hard to get the CWCki to say that Chris got laid, not just claimed to but actually did it. I don't know if there's a policy on the CWCki trolling Chris, but we probably need an admin to step in and give the say either way. [[User:Jesusfish|Jesusfish]] 14:48, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::I'm an admin. Chris had sex. And it's not just that he claimed he had sex. Chris had sex. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 14:50, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::Scratch that, saw that you have protected pages before, although you've also edited articles trying to troll Chris. Still doesn't make me believe he actually had sex, but whatever, if people want it up and admins say so, it'll go up. [[User:Jesusfish|Jesusfish]] 15:05, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::::Using the cwcki as a trolling tool is a really bad habit and I apologize for ever having done that. With that having been said, Chris *has* gotten laid. He's almost gotten laid in the past. He's tried to hire hookers before. He just managed to succeed this time. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 15:24, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::::::Being an admin doesn't make you correct 100% of the time. Provide some proof, or leave it as "Chris claims to have sex". All we have are 2 facebook cutouts and "because I said so". That's not good enough for a wiki that's meant to be based on facts and evidence. --[[User:IThrewTheFrisbee|IThrewTheFrisbee]] 18:31, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::::ANGRY VIRGINS IN DENIAL: GENERAL

To be honest, I don't think this issue has been resolved, and I think the continuing reversions is testament to that. It's late and I want to go to sleep. Would it be acceptable to have a short-term compromise until tomorrow and just have the update say that Chris claims to have had sex? <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 16:15, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:No because he did and canine is an admin and said so. --[[User:Inos|Inos]] 16:17, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::That sounds logical and reasonable. Anyway, if Canine is so dead certain that Chris did the do, then I guess I'll take his word for it. Some actual evidence would be nice, but I'm sure he has his reasons for withholding it. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 16:21, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::There's the screencap of the status. Otherwise there's not any other evidence. It's not like Chris was able to tape it or anything. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 17:15, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
::::Judging from your previous posts, you sure are confident in the validity of a couple of Facebook statuses. Why are you so sure he isn't lying? --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 17:32, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
:::::Why would he lie now? He's always had the option to claim he's had sex in the past and he's never done it. Also, he's attempted to hire prostitutes before in the past. He fucked up before and they hung up on him, but if you keep trying at something, you'll probably eventually succeed. That's what happened here. He thought he was going to die in jail, so he didn't want to die a virgin. Desperation. Now, the only fact I am verifying is that Chris had sex. The rest is full of exaggerations and poor wording because Chris is a retard and can't write. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 21:09, 12 April 2012 (PDT)

:::::::Umm...not to correct you or anything, but he HAS claimed to have had the "virgin-braker" before... it was shown to be a lie because he later couldn't even remember ever talking about a girl named Chloe. Again, if he had sex, than fine... but I highly doubt it was for free... --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 23:01, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
*If it's worth anything, I really think we should stick with "Claimed to have had sex". Simply because Chris has exaggerated and lied about a lot of stuff (via facebook and other means) about relationship stuff. The Kissing Wall-flower bit, as well as claiming a woman named Chloe took his virginity. I'm not sure yet how we will confirm anything; but 1) the facebook status we have doesn't look right to me. It does not look like a facebook status at all (the font is off, it's too thin). 2) We've all seen Chris's dick, there's no way it was "Soo big and good, that it put the last dude she was with to shame". 3) Now, if we take what a twitter of cogsdev to be true, Chris did have sex.. but it was with a prostitute (which would suggest Chris is, in some part, lying). I have no problem with saying Chris had sex...if it's true. I just highly doubt it was with who he suggests it was with..and that it was free. So until we can somehow figure this out, I think "claimed" to have sex is good enough. I'm not sure why anyone has a problem with it. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 18:19, 12 April 2012 (PDT)
**Chris never claimed that he had sex with Chloe. He did claim that they kissed and that was it. Same with Wallflower. Canine brings up a good point, though. Why would Chris lie ''now'' when he had hundreds of chances to lie in the past? Furthermore, there is nothing to suggest that Chris denies having fucked a hooker. Finally, it makes complete sense for the prostitute to feed his ego. After all, she's got to make money somehow, and she isn't going to make it by refusing to fuck a fatman with a tiny bent dick.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 09:02, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
*Chris being a virgin is a big part of his identity. Since he is no longer a virgin, I'd like that to be mentioned on the cwcki. The font problems are because of linux bullshit. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 21:09, 12 April 2012 (PDT)

This sounds like bullshit, don't you think its possible he got hacked again.
The Sunday post was well written, grammatically correct and none of his mannerism were present like PUTTING ENPHASIS ON THINGS AS IF HE WAS RAISING HIS VOICE.

Here's a new post that looks more like Chris.
[[File:133432401327.jpg]]

So, I'd change everything back until further notice.
[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 10:52, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
:That picture is fake. It was made by someone on the CWCki Forum to make a point about how easy it is to shoop these things.
:I can't think of a single time Chris has actually been hacked in recent years. I think that's a pretty remote possibility.
:I think the post is legitimate, and I think Chris actually had sex. The issue I have is that, since we don't have any real public evidence that he did, we shouldn't say that it is true on the CWCki yet. The policy exists to prevent hearsay from being written into articles, and though it might be a pain, I think everyone needs to be a bit more patient and just wait until shit's public to write it in as fact. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 10:58, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
::Also that's a very exaggerated Chris post. He doesn't actually write like that. I mean, if you plan to fake Chris stuff, write like he does, not like we all joke that he does.[[User:Jimmy Jazz|Jimmy Jazz]] 11:04, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
::I understand the motivation behind keeping it off the cwcki. The problem is that we'll never have proof. The event is in the past. It's not like we'll have pictures of the event or anything like that. I took the screencaps. http://i.imgur.com/fOH57.jpg Here's a picture of my monitor. Maybe that'll help convince people? I don't know. If that won't do it, I don't know what else to do. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 11:11, 13 April 2012 (PDT)
:::One thing about Chris is that he's always quick to forget or abandon his lies. If there's really no other evidence that it's real, the best test is probably just waiting a little while and seeing if he abandons it. Not that I expect that he will. I don't think we need to keep it off the wiki, either. You guys saying "this is really from Chris" has always been good enough in the past. I just think we should keep it as "Chris said he lost his virginity" for a little longer. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) </span></small> 11:17, 13 April 2012 (PDT)

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