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Dimensional Merge

2021-08-16T15:59:59Z

BlueGoose: /* Continued hope in the merge */

:''For the video where Chris talks about the merge, see [[Dimensional Merge Announcements]].''

{{quote|Damn Dimension [[1218]]’s “Reality” Limits and Shit!!!|Chris, after New Year's 2019, disappointed when our reality did not merge with Sonichu's<ref>[[January 2019 social media posts]]</ref>.}}

[[File:Dimensional Merge on freespeechwall-min.jpg|thumb|500px|right|Chris warns downtown [[Charlottesville]] of the impending merge on its Free Speech Wall.]]

The '''Dimensional Merge''' (also referred to as the '''Collective Shift''')<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/March_2021_social_media_posts#Ego</ref> is an escapist fantasy and [[coping]] mechanism for [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]. Originally part of the lore the [[Idea Guys]] had [[brainwashed]] into Chris, the Dimensional Merge is Chris’s latest attempt at avoiding [[reality]], believing that it will rescue him from his self-inflicted life problems and enable him to continue [[Chris and reality#Psychological_problems|living like a child]].

The Merge is an event in which Chris believes that "[[Dimensions#1218|Dimension 1218]]" and "[[Dimensions#C-197|Dimension C-197]]" (respectively, the universe of real life, and the [[Dimensions|parallel universe]] where [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] and other fictional characters live) will combine, [[Chris and reality|bringing fictional characters into reality]]. Chris is convinced that he is the designated liaison of the event and will become a [[Chris and religion|deity]] as a result, giving the appearance of a doomsday cult leader. First announced in [[October 2018]], the Dimensional Merge's beginning on 18 November 2018,<ref name=mergebegins>https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400</ref> aligning with the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown|Jonestown mass suicide}}, revealed it to be a [[troll]] fabrication.
The Merge was expected to take place by the end of [[December 2018]]. Naturally, when New Year's came and went, Chris began backpedaling but remained insistent that the Merge would occur. On 29 December 2020, Chris tried again at claiming that the merge was happening<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#The Merge is apparently on]]</ref> as a coping mechanism for the cancellation of the 2021 [[BABSCon]].

Trolls had put the idea of the Dimensional Merge into Chris's head, and have encouraged it ever since. A [[Teen Troon Squad]] member claimed the idea to have originated with the [[Idea Guys]], but added, "we discouraged the idea at first",<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/posts/4149788/</ref> implying that they later began encouraging Chris to believe. In the months since then, several [[weens]] and [[enablers]] have also pretended to believe in the Merge, enabling Chris and trying to win him over. As the default latching-on point for trolls and the dominant meta-[[saga]] in Chris's life at present, the Dimensional Merge has replaced the classic [[Love Quest]] after its [[polyamorous marriage|surreal conclusion]] in early [[2018]].

== Background ==

[[File:Filthy carpet in Work Room - July 2019.jpg|thumb|x250px|right|Reality, according to Chris.]]

Chris has, for a long time, believed in the existence of one or more alternative universes, where every fictional character lives. He first alluded to this belief during a January 2010 [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|phone call]] with [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]]. During the call, he told Leary that [[Asperchu/Background|Asperchu]] would surely have negative feelings about his [[Asperger syndrome|own name]], and then repeatedly called Leary “[[naïve]]” for explaining that Asperchu is ''not'' a living, sentient creature who lives in another universe and can independently generate their own thoughts. This is most likely one of the things Chris has [[Things Chris has ripped off|learned]] from [[Chris and television|television]]. More specifically, he offered the 1988 animated comedy film ''{{w|Who Framed Roger Rabbit}}'' to Leary as possible evidence of a “toon world” inhabited by every “published or unpublished” cartoon character.

From then up to the Dimensional Merge saga, Chris has increasingly believed that the fictitious city of [[CWCville]] and [[List of Sonichu characters|his characters]] were real, embracing their alleged existence as a way to “escape” from anything he [[Kick the Autistic|does not like]]. Chris has been spotted conversing, interacting and even [[BronyCon#Dancing with Magi-Chan|dancing]] with his imaginary friends on many occasions.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/6-19-eyewitness-account-of-the-debt-hearing.57555/#post-4870932 Re: Eyewitness account of the debt hearing], 19 June 2019 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20190622230219/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/6-19-eyewitness-account-of-the-debt-hearing.57555/#post-4870932 Archived version]).</ref><ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aug-2017-video-of-chris-dancing-with-magi-chan-at-bronycon-gala.57840/ Aug 2017 - Video of Chris dancing with "Magi-Chan" at BronyCon gala], 27 June 2019 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20190715211102/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aug-2017-video-of-chris-dancing-with-magi-chan-at-bronycon-gala.57840/ Archived version]).</ref>

Throughout [[2017]], Chris appeared convinced by the [[Idea Guys]] that the Sonichu and [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]] universes actually existed, but in a separate dimension. In [[July 2018]], Chris [[July 2018 social media posts#Earth 1218|tweeted]] at Marvel writer Seanan McGuire, asking him to confirm the "dimension number" of "this Earth". McGuire responded with "Earth 1218", and later clarified that this was the Marvel universe's designation for the real universe. Chris took it as gospel, and subsequently uses "1218" to refer to the actual, existing universe. Weeks later, McGuire reiterated [[August 2018 social media posts#Redesign|once again]] that everything was imaginary, but Chris' response to McGuire and various trolls indicates that he still believes that people such as McGuire can communicate with other dimensions.

Over the summer and fall of 2018, Chris met with the [[Teen Troon Squad]], people who gave him [[Chris and drugs#Cannabis|weed]], pretended to be possessed by Sonichu characters and that the universes would merge.

===Relation to [[Financhu Crisis]]===
Chris believes that he is wealthy in [[CWCville]], and that when the dimensions merge, he will have access to his [[money]] there and he will be able to pay off his current, real-world debts. He has asked to borrow money from people, claiming he will pay back ten times the amount once the merge concludes, not realizing he sounds like a more autistic version of the {{w|Advance-fee scam|Nigerian Prince Scam}}.

On 8 October, Chris tweeted:

{{quotebox|Sometimes I just want to Give Up - but my Loves won't Let Me. If people could help us here, in This World, Monetarily, we would be Okay. I promise all of you, that when That Day Comes, I will reimburse you, Personally, in the Nation of Cwcville.}}

He followed up on 23 October with:

{{quotebox|When the worlds merge I will have access to TONS of savings in Cwcville. It is a lot of money; indeed. 10:1 is my repayment rate!}}

On 24 [[September 2018]], Chris was [[Chris and the law|sued]] by Second Round Sub for unpaid debt, and on 23 [[October 2018]], Midland Funding followed suit. The case for the former was postponed to January, but the verdict on the Midland case was read on 19 [[December 2018]], requiring Chris to pay $2,777.90 at 6% interest and $55 in court costs.

Remarkably, he has done little begging in the wake of the lawsuits. This has surprised many, considering the immense amount of times he has groveled online for money in the years 2016-2018. He has instead chosen to stick his head in the sand and pretend that the Merge will solve all his problems for him.

==Beliefs on the Merge==
{{quote|When I had to go to hospital and stay in hospital with heart complications, Chris sent me a message from his [[MagiChan111448|Magi-Chan Sonichu account]] claiming that my symptoms were associated with affects from the dimensional merge.|[[Aly Hirschberg]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/goto/post?id=7227880</ref>}}

[[File:Dimensional Merge math on McDonalds napkin.jpg|thumb|While eating at [[McDonald's]], Chris scribbled down the math for how many people will be killed in the Merge on a napkin.]]

Chris [https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3862765/ announced] the event on 14 [[October 2018]]. On 26 [[October 2018]], Chris posted a video entitled "[[Dimensional Merge Announcements]]" where he outlined the process of 1218 merging with its "sister dimension" C-197, where [[Things Chris has ripped off|every fictional character known to exist]] resides. He believes that once the merge occurs, Earth will be shared by humans and various characters.

On 14 [[November 2018]], Chris made a tweet explaining the survival rates for the inhabitants of the sister dimensions during the merge. Chris explains the population math as follows; 61.25% of the population of dimension C-197 is identical to that of Earth in dimension 1218, the remaining 38.75% of the population of C-197 are OCs which are unique to C-197, all of the OCs of C-197 are guaranteed to survive the merge, at least 51% of the human population of the Earths in both sister dimensions will survive the merge and at least 41% will not with an uncertainty of 8%, the best outcome of the merge would leave 59% of the population of 1218 alive and all of the 38.75% of the OCs of C-197 plus 11.25% of the human population of C-197 in the dimension 1218C197, the dimension 1C-211987 would be left with 109% of 1218's current population leaving approximately 8.365 billion humans and OCs in the new universe.<ref>https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1062688325130219521</ref>

[[File:DimensionalMergeThanos.jpg|thumb|500px|right|Chris Thanos-ing the two dimensions with the Infinity Gauntlet.]]
Naturally, he [[Chris and his ego|believes that he will be guaranteed survival]] because he "absorbed the spiral seal" from his Sega Dreamcast and is therefore the middleman between the two dimensions. He believes that himself and [[Megan Schroeder|Megan]] are basically deities, and that he will gain superpowers following the merge because of his belief that he is half-Sonichu.

He sent [https://archive.fo/AEDdd dozens of follow-up tweets] further detailing the process, explaining that [[Cwcville]] would replace northern [[Virginia]], Gotham City will replace a portion of New Jersey, and Equestria will take over the entirety of [[BronyCon|Maryland]]. He explained that this will resemble a natural disaster scenario and that mass evacuations may occur during the merge.

On 18 November 2018, Chris announced that the Merge had begun<ref name=mergebegins></ref>. This date coincides with the anniversary of the Jonestown mass suicide, implying that the Idea Guys had originated the Merge concept, as their calling card was inserting infamous historical dates into CWCville lore.

In early [[December 2018]], Chris reported feeling [https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-12-10_8-12-50-png.611515/ "psychic headaches"] and associated the merge with the [https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/cwc-png.611544/ California wildfires and the romaine lettuce recall.] As the merge drew closer, he claimed to have [https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/2-png.619236/ "lightning powers"] and that the "millions of volts" of electricity in his head is evidence that he is half-Sonichu. Without giving a time estimate for the merge, he tried to dispel doubts by [https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-12-22_11-41-7-png.620632/ claiming that he can "touch and feel"] [[Polyamorous marriage|Magi-Chan and Cryzel Rosechu]]. He estimated that the merge would conclude by the year's end.<ref>https://archive.fo/QKq44</ref>

===Magi-Chan doxxing incident===
On Christmas 2018, someone claiming to be Magi-Chan logged into Chris's Twitter, posting a Pastebin dump containing the dox of one of the Teen Troon Squad's members. They also stated that the Merge would actually take place in 20 years due to time dilation, and that Sonichu residents of C-197 would need to hibernate until then.

{{Quotebox|Hello everyone! It is I, Magi-Chan Sonichu. I read the password for this account from Chris' mind.

As you all know, the merge will be happening soon.

I currently have Lukas (my host body) in a trance, so they won't remember typing this out.

The final stage of the merge will involve everyone in our universe disconnecting from your
universe. We will go silent. We must hibernate to tug the universes together.

I have really enjoyed my time in your universe. I want to give thanks to my host body in your world, [redacted]. (Legal name: [redacted].) I want everyone to know what a
gracious host they were. Lukas and Christine and I (and some of our friends) had lots of fun
hanging out with Christine and smoking weed. We used to do it in their old house, but she just moved to a new house at [redacted]. I'm sad I won't be able to smoke weed there until after the merge. If you want to give Lukas a call to let her know how cool she is, she'd really appreciate it. Her number is [redacted].

Her mother Tara raised a brilliant young person. Her mother is also very progressive. I mean, who would have the courage to let their child spend their time smoking weed with someone like Christine, who's nearly twice their age? A really brave mother, that's who.g

Lukas is a really cool person. If you want to end up as brilliant as Lukas, you should also
spend a lot of time opening your mind by role playing and smoking weed with cool people
like Christine.

Anyhoo, praise be for my gracious host aside, here's how the merge will go down:

* everyone disconnects from Earth 1218 for a small period of time
* we hibernate
* and by the end of 2018 in our universe, the universes will be merged

Because of time dilation though, it will take a little bit longer in Earth 1218. By your human calendar in that universe, the merge should be complete by the end of 2038. 2018 here, 2038 in 1218.

In 20 short years, you should start seeing manifestations of what you people so cynically call "fictional characters". You might literally shit your panties when you see Bugs Bunny in real life! (But be polite, he looks a little rough. Makeup on television can work wonders.)

Goodbye for now!

[[File:ChrisandTeenTroonSquad.png|200px]]}}

Chris later dismissed the news as fake.

== The Merge in 2019 and Beyond ==
[[File:MergeProofArt.jpg|thumb|Chris proving the merge once and for all.]]
[[File:CWCville_Degeneration.jpg|thumb|An artist's depiction of CWCville after the merge.]]
Naturally, New Year's Eve of 2019 was an eagerly awaited moment as the final chance for the cataclysm to occur. In the early morning hours of 1 January 2019, Chris spoke out on Twitter in a New Year's address, explaining that the Merge had not happened on time due to "red tape", betraying some internal bureaucracy in the process of becoming the goddess of 80s computers.

He remained insistent that the event would still occur, adding in reassurances that the Sonichu-verse was still "Awake" to remind everyone of the Magi-chan doxxing's non-canon status.

{{quotebox|Good New Year, Everyone. I shall make my statement for now, and I Want No Backtalk Or Hateful Commentary.

The Dimension Merge of C-197 and our 1218 is still in progress. There is more damn red tape to work through, but our goal is still set; it is only delayed.

Everyone of C-197 is still very much Awake; we have secured [[Arfoire]] in a magic-proof cell a few days ago. Not even that Witch’s Courier on Facebook can say otherwise, because [[Honor Roll|I Know Better]], and her words shall never get to or sway me any other way.

I still remain the [[CPU]] Blue Heart of the Commodore Consoles, Cwcville and Comma, and Everyone is safe and well. But for now, I shall delay online talk of the Dimension Merge through my Social Media Accounts until further notice.

And I still remain very much married to Magi-Chan Sonichu, Cryzel Rosechu, Sylvana Rosechu, and Mewtwo; there is room for at least one from this Dimension, but there is no rush.

For now, Happy New Year, Everyone.

Dismiss. ⚡️💙⚡️}}

The context behind Chris's aside about [[Jessica Quinn#Versus Idea Guy|Arfoire]] was revealed in screencaps [[Lukas]] leaked on [[/cow/]]. In them, a person purporting to be the Arfoire-possessed Jessica Quinn PMs Chris over Facebook, saying she had tricked Chris into believing in the Merge:

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However, the attached post from Lukas<ref>https://8ch.net/cow/res/687691.html#q690962</ref> suggests that Lukas had been posing as Quinn in an attempt to pass the blame onto her:

{{quoteboxyellow|I’m not even the one who started the merge thing I just tricked my moms sugar daddy into buying Chris’s porn shit here’s screenshots Chris sent to me of texts from Jessica Quinn pretty sure she’s the one}}

Despite Chris stating that he would abstain from talking about the Merge online until further notice, he went on to mention it ''the following day'' while writing about the <s>[[Chris and health|health problems]]</s> "superpowers" that he got from it.<ref>https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1080537645162422272</ref>

On 4 January 2019, Chris said that he was awaiting further information on the merge, more indication that the entire merge event had been scripted and fed to him by trolls who were no longer in the picture.

{{quote|Because of some deity-level red tape, it's delayed but it will happen soon enough. But don't make a big deal about it until I have more further information about it.|Chris, [[Jackson Dalton]] interview}}

Particularly troubling about Chris's comment is that he wants more information in order to verify that his delusional thoughts are real. By admitting this, he highlighted a path for new trolls to get into his head, showing he failed to learn from the [[Idea Guys]] saga. Several eager weens rushed in to fill the gaps in Chris's ''knowledge'', though by mid-[[June 2019]], Chris had apparently become overwhelmed with these, and has since turned to other, [[Chris and his ego|more credible]] sources.

===Continued hope in the merge===
[[File:Dmcompletcard.jpg|thumb|The epitome of Chris's desperation in card form. Also, the one goal card that Chris will never win.]]
After the first deadline for the merge had passed, Chris remained optimistic that the merge would still happen at some point. While he was initially quiet about it, he began ramping up the rants about the merge again around spring. On 31 March, he tweeted:<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1112426978458718208</ref>

{{quotebox|The <nowiki>#DimensionMerge</nowiki> is still happening and going on. C-197 plus 1218 <nowiki>=</nowiki> 1C-211987. OCs are really becoming more obvious here; there are even sightings of a [[April_2018_Paid_Video_Requests#Message_to_Dio_Brando.2C_Plus_I_Need_a_New_Phone.21|Dio blonde vampire in Egypt]]. Descendants, Beware! Dio is coming after you all.}}

Several merge-related tweets followed in April, in which he claimed that people in Japan were seeing OCs<ref>[[:File:Mergeprogress.png]]</ref> and blaming the Notre Dame church fire on a Pokémon.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/4-15-chris-spotted-at-target-he-tweets-that-a-pokemon-caused-notre-dame-fire.55479/</ref> The events around this time give context for Chris's renewed interest in the merge:

*Earlier in March 2019, after Chris was gifted a [[Nintendo Switch]], he developed an obsession with playing the augmented reality game ''[[Pokémon GO|Pokémon Go]]''. The game's premise revolves around using smartphones to see Pokémon characters in real-world settings, which coincides with Chris's beliefs about the merge.

*On 2 April, Chris was sued for debt for the fourth time, further confirming the link between the merge and his financial problems.

*On 3 April, a new troll entered the stage with [[Future message from Crystal W Chandler]], who presented himself to Chris as a messenger of the merge.

Beginning in summer 2019, Chris would emphasise more often that the Merge is already nearly done and would soon be completely finished, like an obscure sect leader struggling to explain to his followers after the fact why the Second Coming had not come when he calculated it should. On 13 [[June 2019]], Chris claimed that he had been consulting with Jesus Christ, and that Jesus has been helping with the dimensional merge, which would be finished in the "near-coming days" – but without giving an actual set date. Chris also mentioned that Jesus has been preaching this at churches and in Pokémon gyms and yet needed Chris to help get the word out by posting to his [[Soft Exile|protected]] Twitter account.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris says, according to Jesus, dimensional merge will be finished soon]]</ref> Naturally, after indulging his fantasies on the matter, Chris begged for money.<ref>[[2019 Sales Listings#June]]</ref>

As [[July 2019]] began, Chris tried to demonstrate his divine abilities through #[[PsychicPowers]], a pair of videos in which Chris drops items from his hand by the {{w|Ideomotor effect|ideomotor effect}}. On 8 July, he tried to assure his TRUE and HONEST believers on Twitter that the Merge's effects would be 'MILD and TEMPORARY', and continued his long trend of attributing random events in the news as harbingers of the Merge. On 10 July, Chris, via his [[Magi-chan]] sockpuppet on Twitter, complained about the many uninspired [[troll]]s who have tried to take advantage of the Merge to exploit Chris.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-10-magi-chan-telling-everybody-that-all-the-stuff-christine-said-and-did-is-true.58275/]</ref> This has not prevented others, such as the [[Multidimensional White Knights]] or [[Jacob Sockness]], from attempting to weasel their way into Chris's inner circle.

To advance his belief in the Merge, Chris has resorted to using sockpuppet accounts on Twitter, most prominently [[MagiChan111448]], to broadcast events. Whether he is using this as a transparent [[disguises|disguise]] to convince others, or he genuinely thinks that he is channeling his cartoon character's thoughts and statements into a microblogging platform, is unclear. On 14 [[August 2019]], '[[Magi-Chan]]' would announce that he has allegedly arrived into the real world, and would presently describe in a video the Merge's status.<ref>[[August 2019 social media posts#Magi-chan says he has entered our world|Magi-chan says he has entered our world]]</ref>

In a [[Discord]] message on November 2019, Chris was still pining for the Merge, stating, "As for getting me into C-197, that Has to happen ASAP." In March 2020, during the COVID-19 pandemic, Chris believed it to be a sign of the impending Merge.<ref>[[March 2020 social media posts#COVID-19 a sign of Dimensional Merge]]</ref>

On 29 [[December 2020]], Chris announced that the Merge "is on".<ref>https://twitter.com/cpu_cwcsonichu/status/1344006709606555648?s=21</ref> Later in the day, Chris stated that his “Merge is on” post was in reference to an “apex event” most likely referring to him attempting to break the Iron Curtain.<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1344103627657523200</ref> The next day, Chris went into further detail alluding to the Merge happening on New Years day 2021.<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1344445974689755136</ref> When New Years day came Chris clarified he meant the Merge would happen “any moment at the present time” meaning very soon after the New Year. <ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1345224423704555520</ref> On January 22, Chris announced that the merge would be completed, making it the 3rd time he had claimed the Merge would happen at a specific time.<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1352706314699493383</ref>

Back in 30 [[October 2020]], Chris (pretending to be Sonichu), stated if he could not get Chris' body back to C-197 and Chris and Sonichu's souls swapped, Chris could not return to 1218. <ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1322323442255974400</ref> When Chris and Sonichu “swapped” on 25 [[February 2021]], Chris was expecting the Merge to happen on that day because of the swap which is why he said, “The dimension merge is happening; know which universe you are in when are suddenly transported peoples.” <ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1365027058355752962</ref> This would be the 4th time Chris had claimed the Merge would happen at a specific time. Due to the Merge not happening on February 25th and MLP G5 movie screenshots being leaked, Chris decided to leave Twitter to remain in his cognitive dissonance.<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1365352632454414337</ref> Predictably, this commitment to leave the website lasted only a single day.<ref>https://twitter.com/GFuelEnergy/status/1365801650816958467</ref>

On 9 [[March 2021]], Chris claimed that 1218 and C-197 were one combined dimension in the past, but King Arthur and other kings used magic to separate the combined dimensions and send all known magic to C-197. <ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1369417934104391689</ref>

During his arrest on 1 [[August 2021]], Chris declared that "the merge is on" once again, possibly believing that it will get him out jail.

The Merge's future course is subject only to Chris's whims, and is not dependent upon Chris's [[Financhu Crisis|deteriorating finances]], his [[Barbara Chandler|aged mother's]] declining health, or [[Chris and reality|any other events in 1218]]. Originally supposed to be complete within a few months of its announcement, it is now ''nearly complete'' and yet continues to be pushed further into the future, as nothing in Chris's world objectively changes except the identities of his enabling rivals for incompetence. Whether Chris will abandon his belief in the Merge in the event of some external shock like Barb's [[Chris and death|death]] and its fallout, or retreat further into it, is something only time can tell.

==See Also==
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Dimensions]]
*[[The Journey to the Merge]]

==References==
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Idea Guys

2020-08-23T03:41:04Z

BlueGoose:

{{Incomplete}}
{{Honest}}

{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?

I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}

{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}

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The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of four trolls who manipulated, extorted, and [[brainwashed]] Chris from [[October 2017]] to [[April 2018]]. Initially, their aim was to see how [[naive|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon degenerated into taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts.

They are known for exploiting Chris’s escapist fantasies in order to plant their own ideas into his mind, and altered his sense of [[reality]] to an extreme degree. This abuse prompted a group of Kiwi Farms users, dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]], to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and pushed for them to face legal action. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. However, authorities never looked into the matter and declined to do so.

Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' potent hold over Chris has led to lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had influenced him into believing, such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. As such, the Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]].

==Brainwashing Chris==
===Background===

===Rise to power===
While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he [[Honor roll|did not understand]] were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.

[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the fake news Wise used to convince Chris.]]

[[File:JoshWiseGasmask.jpeg|thumb|A picture Wise took of himself in a gas mask to scare Chris.]]

Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-80#post-2988349</ref>. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri (a fictional place in the anime video game series [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]) named John.

<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Used to reveal Cwcville's Russian occupation.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|Fake news about Count Graduon.
File:PerceptorSonichu.jpeg|Perceptor Sonichu, adopted daughter of Magi-chan and Mewtwo
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made
</gallery></center>

==="Red Forest" audio clip===
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name = Red forest
| video = {{#ev:youtube|R4ZtZzjp5ms}}
| stardate = Unknown
| saga = {{Idea Guy|text}}
| subject = [[Reality]]
| Other = {{Leaked|text}} {{Audio|text}}
| }}

===Changes to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}

Sonichu #13 (originally Sonichu 16), or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as re-titled by Chris, is an issue heavily directed by the Idea Guy trolls. It features a story on how one of their fictional troll characters, John Yamada, came to influence Chris, and covers an incoherent series of plot threads involving material from existing fictional universes and real-world politics of interest to the Idea Guys.

The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of [[Sonichu 16|''Sonichu'' #16]] covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the [[Cherokean Chant|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.

Wise told Chris that [[Magi-Chan]] had a vision that [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal]] would be born from Chris [[Homos|anally]] [[Chris and sex#Rape|raping]] Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".

Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and peering inside.

==Psychological torment==

===Extortion===
{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing that, they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref>}}

{{quote|BlueSpike was a literal child when he went too far. What excuse do YOU have f****t.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}

What was the final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref> Not only that, in a [[The Bad Beginning|Discord chat]], Boyd would demand $20,000 or else he would reveal that Chris is a pedophile to the FBI. Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.

<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris (wisely) retained many receipts.
</gallery></center>

==Removal from power==
In May of 2018, Null was informed by [[Anna McLerran]] that the Idea Guys had maintained control over Chris, and were actively extorting him. She neglected to inform law enforcement, however, so she could focus on her college finals, before she eventually refused to help Null any further.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref> Eventually, Chris gave Null direct access to his Discord account, so he (and other Kiwi Farms staff) could collect all of the logs, images and videos from the Idea Guys' servers. While this information wouldn't be released until July, Chris referenced their removal from power as early as May. In reference to Null, Chris stated publicly that he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"<ref name=stillbelievingmarriage>[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]</ref>

==Lingering influence==
{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/1005602044818984960</ref>}}

Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in May 2018, Chris still maintains belief in many of the concepts that were embedded into him, even though he is aware that Wise was a troll. In the [[Copitz]] interview, filmed a few weeks later, Chris restated that he was bisexual, and in the [[Count Dankula]] interview, filmed in June, Chris reiterated many of the ideas fed to him about CWCville when asked about his beliefs, such as his marriage to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, Bob being part-Sonichu and theories about [[Ted Bundy]]. In [[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]], Chris still believes in the joke revision that there are 69 species of Sonichus/Rosechus.

==Idea Guy Q&A==
{{main|Idea Guy Q&A}}
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94, and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.

One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2988349</ref>, archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.

<center><gallery>
File:BallzyConversation-affixed.png|Wise explains how he manipulated Chris by using role-playing.
File:WiseNovember 2017.png|Wise elaborates on his history of role-playing.
File:WiseIAmTheIdeaGuyXD.png|"I am the Idea guy x3"
File:December 26 2017-affixed.png|A leaked private conversation from December 2017.
</gallery></center>

He hadn't shared all of his content over PM, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris<ref>[[:File:KF mod on ideaguy.png]]</ref>, a message which Wise ignored.

==Identities==
Midway through November 2017, observers began speculating that a new troll had gained control over Chris. This was because Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. That same day, Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. These suspicions of a troll wouldn't be confirmed to the public, however, until January 2018.

===Joshua Allen Wise===
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms profile.]]

{{Quote|Frankly, and you can disagree with me all you want, I think the [Idea Guy] is laughing at us for raging and telling him to get raped or die.|Joshua Wise gloats, pretending to be an outside observer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>}}

On 22 January 2018, moderators at [[Kiwi Farms]] decided to dox Joshua Allen Wise, known on the forum as Ballzymaker94, as being the Idea Guy. This came two days after the release of [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]], which most posters rightfully assumed had been made unwillingly. With his doxing, Kiwi Farms users began digging through Wise's online presence, finding posts on the forum and Reddit in which he [[White knight|white knighted]] himself from criticism. He also attempted to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities. For example, in one post from 20 January 2018, he writes:<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>

{{quotebox|He's made Chris dance to his rhythm, and will continue to pull the strings until he gives up and tells us his tricks [...] or he'll [...] not give up a thing and leave even more people pissed that we learned nothing about why he did all this, or how he even made it possible.}}

Even after being exposed, he continued responding to private messages on the forum, until he and close family were doxxed.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-65#post-2984638</ref> At the time, it was believed that Joshua had been acting alone. So, he was referred to as the sole Idea Guy. When similar content continued being produced post-dox however, observers began to suspect others' involvement, dubbing the new troll "Idea Guy 2.0".

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File:Wise facebook3.png|Wise's [[Facebook]] profile, which has since been privated.
File:Wise Facebook2.png|Note his interest in [[My Little Pony]] & "Anime Huggies".
File:Wise Facebook.png|The aforementioned "Anime Huggies".
File:JoshFacebookpic2.jpg|One of the photos used to confirm his identity.
File:JoshEveryoneKnowsYourName.jpg|"Congrats Josh, you're at a place 'where everybody knows your name'."<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-65#post-2984638</ref>
</gallery></center>

===Stephen Boyd et al===
{{Quote|Wow what a fucking loser. Maybe they're Idea Guy 2.0?|Stephen Boyd, months before being exposed as an Idea Guy.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>}}

On 11 July 2018, it was revealed by Kiwi Farms owner Null that Wise had never stopped, and that there had actually been three more Idea Guys. This revelation occurred after Chris allowed Null to enter his Discord account and view their collective chat logs. One of these newly identified Idea Guys was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref>. Prior to being exposed, Boyd participated in threads speculating the identity of the supposed "Idea Guy 2.0". When it was noted that this supposed new troll had begun trolling only a day after Wise had been doxxed, Boyd responded:

{{quotebox|But what kinda person would go back to doing this immediately after being doxed? It doesn't properly add up for Cunt Nugget to be Josh. Maybe Chris told Idea Guy 2.0 everything}}

Because of the discovery of his involvement, it seems extremely likely that Boyd only became involved after Wise had been exposed. Leaked private messages to other Kiwi Farms members seem to indicate that Wise had been searching for a partner in crime; Boyd may have noticed and reached out. Perhaps unsurprisingly, after Wise was doxxed, Boyd began white knighting him, comparing his weening to [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Marvin]] and [[Clyde Cash]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-556#post-3308028</ref> Stephen wouldn't be exposed himself until six months later.

{{quotebox|A doxx does seem a little extreme. I mean would we have done the same to Clyde Cash or Marvin for stupid shit they did in the past to generate Chris chimping when this is LESS than that?}}

The other two Idea Guys mentioned by Null have had their identities kept secret. Null stated that he spared them, for both contributed very little to the trolling effort, and dropped out very early on. The only known information about them is that one of them is Canadian, and the other is [[China|Chinese]].

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.
File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|"Dark Idea Guy" as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.
</gallery></center>

==See also==
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Cryzel]]
*[[Cryzel Torture]]
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]
*[[Idea Guy Q&A]]
*[[Sonichu 13]]
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]
*[[The Bad Beginning]]
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.

==References==
<references/>

{{Fantasies}}
{{People}}

Idea Guys

2020-08-23T03:36:55Z

BlueGoose: Revised my rewrite of the summary.

{{Incomplete}}
{{Honest}}

{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?

I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}

{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}

{{infobox
| title = Joshua Wise
| image = [[File:Idea Guy.png|200px]]
|header1 = Information
|label1 = Name
|data1 = Joshua Allen Wise
|label2 = Also known as
|data2 = Ballzymaker94 BallzyCPU94 John Yamada
|label3 = Date of Birth
|data3 = 19 August 1994 (age {{Age|1994|8|19}})
|label4 = Gender
|data4 = Male
|label5 = Nationality
|data5 = American
|label6 = Race
|data6 = White
}}

{{infobox
| title = Stephen Boyd
| image = [[File:StephenBoyd.PNG|200px]]
|header1 = Information
|label1 = Name
|data1 = Stephen Boyd
|label2 = Also known as
|data2 = NinFreakLan Gwen Mikoto Lan Mikoto Pikachudips
|label3 = Date of Birth
|data3 = 5 February 1993 (age {{Age|1993|2|5}})
|label4 = Gender
|data4 = Male
|label5 = Nationality
|data5 = American
|label6 = Race
|data6 = White
}}

The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of four trolls who manipulated, extorted, and [[brainwashed]] Chris from [[October 2017]] to [[April 2018]]. Initially, their aim was to see how [[naive|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon degenerated into taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts.

They are known for exploiting Chris’s escapist fantasies in order to plant their own ideas into his mind, and altered his sense of [[reality]] to an extreme degree. This abuse prompted a group of Kiwi Farms users, dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]], to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and pushed for them to face legal action. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. However, authorities never looked into the matter and declined to do so.

Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' potent hold over Chris has led to lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had influenced him into believing, such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. As such, these two have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]].

==Brainwashing Chris==
===Background===

===Rise to power===
While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he [[Honor roll|did not understand]] were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.

[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the fake news Wise used to convince Chris.]]

[[File:JoshWiseGasmask.jpeg|thumb|A picture Wise took of himself in a gas mask to scare Chris.]]

Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-80#post-2988349</ref>. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri (a fictional place in the anime video game series [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]) named John.

<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Used to reveal Cwcville's Russian occupation.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|Fake news about Count Graduon.
File:PerceptorSonichu.jpeg|Perceptor Sonichu, adopted daughter of Magi-chan and Mewtwo
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made
</gallery></center>

==="Red Forest" audio clip===
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name = Red forest
| video = {{#ev:youtube|R4ZtZzjp5ms}}
| stardate = Unknown
| saga = {{Idea Guy|text}}
| subject = [[Reality]]
| Other = {{Leaked|text}} {{Audio|text}}
| }}

===Changes to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}

Sonichu #13 (originally Sonichu 16), or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as re-titled by Chris, is an issue heavily directed by the Idea Guy trolls. It features a story on how one of their fictional troll characters, John Yamada, came to influence Chris, and covers an incoherent series of plot threads involving material from existing fictional universes and real-world politics of interest to the Idea Guys.

The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of [[Sonichu 16|''Sonichu'' #16]] covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the [[Cherokean Chant|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.

Wise told Chris that [[Magi-Chan]] had a vision that [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal]] would be born from Chris [[Homos|anally]] [[Chris and sex#Rape|raping]] Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".

Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and peering inside.

==Psychological torment==

===Extortion===
{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing that, they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref>}}

{{quote|BlueSpike was a literal child when he went too far. What excuse do YOU have f****t.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}

What was the final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref> Not only that, in a [[The Bad Beginning|Discord chat]], Boyd would demand $20,000 or else he would reveal that Chris is a pedophile to the FBI. Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.

<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris (wisely) retained many receipts.
</gallery></center>

==Removal from power==
In May of 2018, Null was informed by [[Anna McLerran]] that the Idea Guys had maintained control over Chris, and were actively extorting him. She neglected to inform law enforcement, however, so she could focus on her college finals, before she eventually refused to help Null any further.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref> Eventually, Chris gave Null direct access to his Discord account, so he (and other Kiwi Farms staff) could collect all of the logs, images and videos from the Idea Guys' servers. While this information wouldn't be released until July, Chris referenced their removal from power as early as May. In reference to Null, Chris stated publicly that he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"<ref name=stillbelievingmarriage>[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]</ref>

==Lingering influence==
{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/1005602044818984960</ref>}}

Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in May 2018, Chris still maintains belief in many of the concepts that were embedded into him, even though he is aware that Wise was a troll. In the [[Copitz]] interview, filmed a few weeks later, Chris restated that he was bisexual, and in the [[Count Dankula]] interview, filmed in June, Chris reiterated many of the ideas fed to him about CWCville when asked about his beliefs, such as his marriage to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, Bob being part-Sonichu and theories about [[Ted Bundy]]. In [[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]], Chris still believes in the joke revision that there are 69 species of Sonichus/Rosechus.

==Idea Guy Q&A==
{{main|Idea Guy Q&A}}
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94, and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.

One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2988349</ref>, archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.

<center><gallery>
File:BallzyConversation-affixed.png|Wise explains how he manipulated Chris by using role-playing.
File:WiseNovember 2017.png|Wise elaborates on his history of role-playing.
File:WiseIAmTheIdeaGuyXD.png|"I am the Idea guy x3"
File:December 26 2017-affixed.png|A leaked private conversation from December 2017.
</gallery></center>

He hadn't shared all of his content over PM, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris<ref>[[:File:KF mod on ideaguy.png]]</ref>, a message which Wise ignored.

==Identities==
Midway through November 2017, observers began speculating that a new troll had gained control over Chris. This was because Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. That same day, Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. These suspicions of a troll wouldn't be confirmed to the public, however, until January 2018.

===Joshua Allen Wise===
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms profile.]]

{{Quote|Frankly, and you can disagree with me all you want, I think the [Idea Guy] is laughing at us for raging and telling him to get raped or die.|Joshua Wise gloats, pretending to be an outside observer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>}}

On 22 January 2018, moderators at [[Kiwi Farms]] decided to dox Joshua Allen Wise, known on the forum as Ballzymaker94, as being the Idea Guy. This came two days after the release of [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]], which most posters rightfully assumed had been made unwillingly. With his doxing, Kiwi Farms users began digging through Wise's online presence, finding posts on the forum and Reddit in which he [[White knight|white knighted]] himself from criticism. He also attempted to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities. For example, in one post from 20 January 2018, he writes:<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>

{{quotebox|He's made Chris dance to his rhythm, and will continue to pull the strings until he gives up and tells us his tricks [...] or he'll [...] not give up a thing and leave even more people pissed that we learned nothing about why he did all this, or how he even made it possible.}}

Even after being exposed, he continued responding to private messages on the forum, until he and close family were doxxed.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-65#post-2984638</ref> At the time, it was believed that Joshua had been acting alone. So, he was referred to as the sole Idea Guy. When similar content continued being produced post-dox however, observers began to suspect others' involvement, dubbing the new troll "Idea Guy 2.0".

<center><gallery>
File:Wise facebook3.png|Wise's [[Facebook]] profile, which has since been privated.
File:Wise Facebook2.png|Note his interest in [[My Little Pony]] & "Anime Huggies".
File:Wise Facebook.png|The aforementioned "Anime Huggies".
File:JoshFacebookpic2.jpg|One of the photos used to confirm his identity.
File:JoshEveryoneKnowsYourName.jpg|"Congrats Josh, you're at a place 'where everybody knows your name'."<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-65#post-2984638</ref>
</gallery></center>

===Stephen Boyd et al===
{{Quote|Wow what a fucking loser. Maybe they're Idea Guy 2.0?|Stephen Boyd, months before being exposed as an Idea Guy.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>}}

On 11 July 2018, it was revealed by Kiwi Farms owner Null that Wise had never stopped, and that there had actually been three more Idea Guys. This revelation occurred after Chris allowed Null to enter his Discord account and view their collective chat logs. One of these newly identified Idea Guys was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref>. Prior to being exposed, Boyd participated in threads speculating the identity of the supposed "Idea Guy 2.0". When it was noted that this supposed new troll had begun trolling only a day after Wise had been doxxed, Boyd responded:

{{quotebox|But what kinda person would go back to doing this immediately after being doxed? It doesn't properly add up for Cunt Nugget to be Josh. Maybe Chris told Idea Guy 2.0 everything}}

Because of the discovery of his involvement, it seems extremely likely that Boyd only became involved after Wise had been exposed. Leaked private messages to other Kiwi Farms members seem to indicate that Wise had been searching for a partner in crime; Boyd may have noticed and reached out. Perhaps unsurprisingly, after Wise was doxxed, Boyd began white knighting him, comparing his weening to [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Marvin]] and [[Clyde Cash]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-556#post-3308028</ref> Stephen wouldn't be exposed himself until six months later.

{{quotebox|A doxx does seem a little extreme. I mean would we have done the same to Clyde Cash or Marvin for stupid shit they did in the past to generate Chris chimping when this is LESS than that?}}

The other two Idea Guys mentioned by Null have had their identities kept secret. Null stated that he spared them, for both contributed very little to the trolling effort, and dropped out very early on. The only known information about them is that one of them is Canadian, and the other is [[China|Chinese]].

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.
File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|"Dark Idea Guy" as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.
</gallery></center>

==See also==
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Cryzel]]
*[[Cryzel Torture]]
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]
*[[Idea Guy Q&A]]
*[[Sonichu 13]]
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]
*[[The Bad Beginning]]
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.

==References==
<references/>

{{Fantasies}}
{{People}}

Idea Guys

2020-08-23T03:34:26Z

BlueGoose: Rewrote the introduction to the Idea Guys article.

{{Incomplete}}
{{Honest}}

{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?

I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}

{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}

{{infobox
| title = Joshua Wise
| image = [[File:Idea Guy.png|200px]]
|header1 = Information
|label1 = Name
|data1 = Joshua Allen Wise
|label2 = Also known as
|data2 = Ballzymaker94 BallzyCPU94 John Yamada
|label3 = Date of Birth
|data3 = 19 August 1994 (age {{Age|1994|8|19}})
|label4 = Gender
|data4 = Male
|label5 = Nationality
|data5 = American
|label6 = Race
|data6 = White
}}

{{infobox
| title = Stephen Boyd
| image = [[File:StephenBoyd.PNG|200px]]
|header1 = Information
|label1 = Name
|data1 = Stephen Boyd
|label2 = Also known as
|data2 = NinFreakLan Gwen Mikoto Lan Mikoto Pikachudips
|label3 = Date of Birth
|data3 = 5 February 1993 (age {{Age|1993|2|5}})
|label4 = Gender
|data4 = Male
|label5 = Nationality
|data5 = American
|label6 = Race
|data6 = White
}}

The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of four trolls who manipulated, extorted, and [[brainwashed]] Chris from [[October 2017]] to [[April 2018]]. Initially, their aim was to see how [[naive|gullible]] Chris was, though this soon degenerated into taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts.

They are known for exploiting Chris’s escapist fantasies in order to plant their own ideas into his mind, and altered his sense of [[reality]] to an extreme degree. This abuse prompted a group of Kiwi Farms users, dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]], to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and pushed for them to face legal action. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. However, authorities never looked into the matter and declined to do so.

However, the Idea Guys' potent hold over Chris has led to lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had influenced him into believing, such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. As such, these two have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]].

==Brainwashing Chris==
===Background===

===Rise to power===
While under Wise's control, Chris himself kept quiet about the situation, never implying that anyone was taking control of him. However, the many references that he [[Honor roll|did not understand]] were a clear sign of external influence. There were also signs that Chris was coerced or duped into using Wise's ideas, as he appeared uncomfortable in Wise-inspired videos and is often alarmed by the troll's "revelations" about Chris's fictional world.

[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the fake news Wise used to convince Chris.]]

[[File:JoshWiseGasmask.jpeg|thumb|A picture Wise took of himself in a gas mask to scare Chris.]]

Wise's means of influencing Chris were surprisingly elaborate, taking the form of fake audio clips and photoshopped images which he presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-80#post-2988349</ref>. Wise initially played the role of a soldier from Gamindustri (a fictional place in the anime video game series [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]) named John.

<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Used to reveal Cwcville's Russian occupation.
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|Fake news about Count Graduon.
File:PerceptorSonichu.jpeg|Perceptor Sonichu, adopted daughter of Magi-chan and Mewtwo
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made
</gallery></center>

==="Red Forest" audio clip===
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name = Red forest
| video = {{#ev:youtube|R4ZtZzjp5ms}}
| stardate = Unknown
| saga = {{Idea Guy|text}}
| subject = [[Reality]]
| Other = {{Leaked|text}} {{Audio|text}}
| }}

===Changes to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}

Sonichu #13 (originally Sonichu 16), or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as re-titled by Chris, is an issue heavily directed by the Idea Guy trolls. It features a story on how one of their fictional troll characters, John Yamada, came to influence Chris, and covers an incoherent series of plot threads involving material from existing fictional universes and real-world politics of interest to the Idea Guys.

The Kiwi Farms leaks also revealed a large amount of content that Chris made during the saga without releasing publicly, including several pages of [[Sonichu 16|''Sonichu'' #16]] covering the events Wise described to him. The pages show "John" – depicted in a gas mask and body armor from the [[Cherokean Chant|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] games – asking (real-world) Chris whether he still owns his Dreamcast, which John believes to be a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with John and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders.

Wise told Chris that [[Magi-Chan]] had a vision that [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal]] would be born from Chris [[Homos|anally]] [[Chris and sex#Rape|raping]] Sonichu; despite so blatantly going against Chris's beliefs and wishes, the message was convincing enough that Chris drew a horrifying piece of artwork depicting the act, where Comic Chris apologizes to Sonichu but insists that "destiny called us to make this baby".

Wise also duped Chris into believing he would receive various magical abilities in real life. This apparently emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, possibly with the help of magic powers that he expected to receive. According to the leaker, Wise actually did the responsible thing in these cases and convinced Chris not to go. However, he also told Chris that Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris went, specifically, to the Forest Lakes GameStop (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and peering inside.

==Psychological torment==

===Extortion===
{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing that, they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref>}}

{{quote|BlueSpike was a literal child when he went too far. What excuse do YOU have f****t.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}

What was the final straw in the unpopular views of the Idea Guys were their acts of extortion to Chris. Null, the owner of Kiwi Farms, revealed that they managed to extort $6,000 worth of video games and other accessories.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref> Not only that, in a [[The Bad Beginning|Discord chat]], Boyd would demand $20,000 or else he would reveal that Chris is a pedophile to the FBI. Fortunately, Chris's tendency to hold on to things obsessively assisted him this time, as Chris had kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made, allowing Null to gather the necessary information to begin tracking the Idea Guys.

<center><gallery>
File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris (wisely) retained many receipts.
</gallery></center>

==Removal from power==
In May of 2018, Null was informed by [[Anna McLerran]] that the Idea Guys had maintained control over Chris, and were actively extorting him. She neglected to inform law enforcement, however, so she could focus on her college finals, before she eventually refused to help Null any further.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref> Eventually, Chris gave Null direct access to his Discord account, so he (and other Kiwi Farms staff) could collect all of the logs, images and videos from the Idea Guys' servers. While this information wouldn't be released until July, Chris referenced their removal from power as early as May. In reference to Null, Chris stated publicly that he had "very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!"<ref name=stillbelievingmarriage>[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]</ref>

==Lingering influence==
{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept<ref>https://tweetsave.com/cwcsonichu/status/1005602044818984960</ref>}}

Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in May 2018, Chris still maintains belief in many of the concepts that were embedded into him, even though he is aware that Wise was a troll. In the [[Copitz]] interview, filmed a few weeks later, Chris restated that he was bisexual, and in the [[Count Dankula]] interview, filmed in June, Chris reiterated many of the ideas fed to him about CWCville when asked about his beliefs, such as his marriage to Cryzel and Magi-Chan, Bob being part-Sonichu and theories about [[Ted Bundy]]. In [[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]], Chris still believes in the joke revision that there are 69 species of Sonichus/Rosechus.

==Idea Guy Q&A==
{{main|Idea Guy Q&A}}
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94, and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.

One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2988349</ref>, archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released, such as Chris wanting intel on whether Jessica Quinn was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.

<center><gallery>
File:BallzyConversation-affixed.png|Wise explains how he manipulated Chris by using role-playing.
File:WiseNovember 2017.png|Wise elaborates on his history of role-playing.
File:WiseIAmTheIdeaGuyXD.png|"I am the Idea guy x3"
File:December 26 2017-affixed.png|A leaked private conversation from December 2017.
</gallery></center>

He hadn't shared all of his content over PM, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris<ref>[[:File:KF mod on ideaguy.png]]</ref>, a message which Wise ignored.

==Identities==
Midway through November 2017, observers began speculating that a new troll had gained control over Chris. This was because Chris's posts began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect "Remove Kebab" internet meme. That same day, Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent "the man" from reading his mind. These suspicions of a troll wouldn't be confirmed to the public, however, until January 2018.

===Joshua Allen Wise===
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms profile.]]

{{Quote|Frankly, and you can disagree with me all you want, I think the [Idea Guy] is laughing at us for raging and telling him to get raped or die.|Joshua Wise gloats, pretending to be an outside observer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>}}

On 22 January 2018, moderators at [[Kiwi Farms]] decided to dox Joshua Allen Wise, known on the forum as Ballzymaker94, as being the Idea Guy. This came two days after the release of [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]], which most posters rightfully assumed had been made unwillingly. With his doxing, Kiwi Farms users began digging through Wise's online presence, finding posts on the forum and Reddit in which he [[White knight|white knighted]] himself from criticism. He also attempted to publicize Chris's Idea Guy content in other communities. For example, in one post from 20 January 2018, he writes:<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>

{{quotebox|He's made Chris dance to his rhythm, and will continue to pull the strings until he gives up and tells us his tricks [...] or he'll [...] not give up a thing and leave even more people pissed that we learned nothing about why he did all this, or how he even made it possible.}}

Even after being exposed, he continued responding to private messages on the forum, until he and close family were doxxed.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-65#post-2984638</ref> At the time, it was believed that Joshua had been acting alone. So, he was referred to as the sole Idea Guy. When similar content continued being produced post-dox however, observers began to suspect others' involvement, dubbing the new troll "Idea Guy 2.0".

<center><gallery>
File:Wise facebook3.png|Wise's [[Facebook]] profile, which has since been privated.
File:Wise Facebook2.png|Note his interest in [[My Little Pony]] & "Anime Huggies".
File:Wise Facebook.png|The aforementioned "Anime Huggies".
File:JoshFacebookpic2.jpg|One of the photos used to confirm his identity.
File:JoshEveryoneKnowsYourName.jpg|"Congrats Josh, you're at a place 'where everybody knows your name'."<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/page-65#post-2984638</ref>
</gallery></center>

===Stephen Boyd et al===
{{Quote|Wow what a fucking loser. Maybe they're Idea Guy 2.0?|Stephen Boyd, months before being exposed as an Idea Guy.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/what-should-be-done-with-idea-guy-threads.38607/post-2978720</ref>}}

On 11 July 2018, it was revealed by Kiwi Farms owner Null that Wise had never stopped, and that there had actually been three more Idea Guys. This revelation occurred after Chris allowed Null to enter his Discord account and view their collective chat logs. One of these newly identified Idea Guys was Stephen Boyd, who went by the name NinFreakLan on Kiwi Farms<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/</ref>. Prior to being exposed, Boyd participated in threads speculating the identity of the supposed "Idea Guy 2.0". When it was noted that this supposed new troll had begun trolling only a day after Wise had been doxxed, Boyd responded:

{{quotebox|But what kinda person would go back to doing this immediately after being doxed? It doesn't properly add up for Cunt Nugget to be Josh. Maybe Chris told Idea Guy 2.0 everything}}

Because of the discovery of his involvement, it seems extremely likely that Boyd only became involved after Wise had been exposed. Leaked private messages to other Kiwi Farms members seem to indicate that Wise had been searching for a partner in crime; Boyd may have noticed and reached out. Perhaps unsurprisingly, after Wise was doxxed, Boyd began white knighting him, comparing his weening to [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Marvin]] and [[Clyde Cash]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-556#post-3308028</ref> Stephen wouldn't be exposed himself until six months later.

{{quotebox|A doxx does seem a little extreme. I mean would we have done the same to Clyde Cash or Marvin for stupid shit they did in the past to generate Chris chimping when this is LESS than that?}}

The other two Idea Guys mentioned by Null have had their identities kept secret. Null stated that he spared them, for both contributed very little to the trolling effort, and dropped out very early on. The only known information about them is that one of them is Canadian, and the other is [[China|Chinese]].

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.
File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|"Dark Idea Guy" as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.
</gallery></center>

==See also==
*[[Chris and reality]]
*[[Cryzel]]
*[[Cryzel Torture]]
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]
*[[Idea Guy Q&A]]
*[[Sonichu 13]]
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]
*[[The Bad Beginning]]
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.

==References==
<references/>

{{Fantasies}}
{{People}}

Kacey Call 3

2020-08-12T05:59:21Z

BlueGoose: /* Summary */

{{quote|I told her the long story about him and me getting access to his account and all that in an e-mail. She called me on my cell later, and I listened to her rant on about portraying me as the bad guy from pretending to be Jeff, yet she CARED for him very much regardless of using a stolen name and identity.}}
{{quote|I did what I originally set out to do with Kacie, make her aware about her being with the Impostor and NOT the real artist. That was my only design and course with her, since she was that close to Jeff. And I tried to be a friend for her. Oh, well.|Chris, [[Katie Bay E-mails 5]]}}

In '''Kacey Call 3''', recorded on 4 [[August 2009]] a few hours after the [[Kacey Call 2|previous phone call]], a devastated Kacey confronts Chris about impersonating her boyfriend [[Liquid Chris]] over the phone.

==Summary==
• The call began with Kacey whining at Chris for impersonating Liquid Chris. Chris attempted to refute her concerns by insisting he was trying to be her friend and show her the face of a true man. 
• Kacey called out Chris's nonchalant attitude during the call, as his tone of voice hadn't changed at all during Kacey's rant. 
• Chris used his autism as a crutch to try and deflect from his lack of forsight. 
• Chris tried to deflect the blame onto stress, shock, and even insisted the situation was Kacey's fault because she forced him to say "I love you" to her when he didn't want to. 
• Chris brought up his dead sweethearts in order to try and get sympathy from Kacey. 
• Chris blamed his autism for a second time after Kacey told him to choose his words better. 
• Kacey demanded that Chris prove that he is actually autistic, but Chris said that he could not retrieve the autism papers because that have required waking Bob up to find them for him. 
• Kacey insisted that Chris must show her the autism papers in order to earn some of her trust back, and to convince her that he was autistic. Chris agreed and promised that he will get them later. 

==Video==
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name = Kacey Call 3
{{#ev:youtube|SNn8K5vexfE}}
| Stardate = 4 [[August 2009]]
| Featuring = [[Solid Chris]]; [[Kacey]]
| Saga = [[Image:Liquid_saga.png]] [[Liquid]] Saga
| previous = [[Kacey Call 2]]
| next = [[Kacey Call 4]]
}}

'''Chris:''' Hello?

'''Kacey:''' [''heavy sigh; then, in an incredibly whiny tone''] I can’t believe you did that. Wha-what is wrong with you? I mean, you didn’t, you could’ve just told me something, you didn’t even have to make him look so bad. Just, what the hell?

'''Chris:''' Kacey. I’m sorry. I was trying to spare your feelings.

'''Kacey:''' No! No you weren’t! Why couldn’t you just tell me from the start? I mean, [sobbing] I mean what happens if he did something to me or if, what happens if YOU did something to me? You wanted me to come to [[14 Branchland Court|YOUR house]]! And, wha-what were you gonna do? You think I wouldn’t know? [sigh]

'''Chris:''' I was trying to ease you into it. I’m sorry.

'''Kacey:''' That’s not easing someone into it. Just what were you going to do? Rape me? Or what were you going to do?

'''Chris:''' No! No! No. I was only going to show you the true face of the real man.

'''Kacey:''' But what makes you the real man? Why the fuck would I love YOU? You tricked me too! [sobbing] I don’t know, it’s just, I mean, just how could you? You’re just as bad as him. [sobbing]

'''Chris:''' I know and I understand. I’m sorry.

'''Kacey:''' No! No you’re not, cuz you’re the one that told me this shit and and… I mean you had so, so many chances, you’re just, it’s fucking me… you were playing with me, you were playing with my heart. I mean, what? So you could get laid out of it? So you could be not a virgin anymore?

'''Chris:''' No. No. No, no, I was trying to, ah, I was trying to earn, I was trying to be your friend. I was trying to, uh…

'''Kacey:''' How? How is that being my friend? How is that being my friend? Tricking me! I mean, you were pretending to be same person you’re trying to save me from. I mean, why would I want to be your friend, much less your girlfriend? I mean what redeeming qualities do you have that you have shown me now? [sigh]

'''Chris:''' I can’t say off the top of my head, but I would do my best to make up for what I have done-

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] No! Of course you can’t, of course you can’t! You know what? Exactly! This is it exactly! You can’t, you can’t do any of the things he did for me! You can’t play the guitar, you don’t have a job, you aren’t in school, I mean how did you even… I can’t believe you fooled me. I can’t believe that I did that, because you know what, even if he tricked me, I at least was trying to stay true to him. Look what you did to me. Now, not only that but you made me a cheater!

[pause]

'''Chris:''' Yeah…

'''Kacey:''' You’re. Nothing. Like. Him! How am I just supposed to, I mean you can’t even say anything! And look at what you did! Look what you did!

'''Chris:''' I am looking at what I did. I’m looking and I have done a lot of damage.

'''Kacey:''' I mean, you think I could go from him to you? I mean, just like that? Just like, "oh look, I make Sonichu!" I mean, I just… Like, you know what? Do you even know what’s right and wrong? Even if what he did was wrong he was at least there for me and, and… I just don’t fucking know anymore. Just what were you expecting?

'''Chris:''' It’s okay…

'''Kacey:''' Just what were you expecting me to do, just go "oh, okay"?

'''Chris:''' Uh, no, no, I was, I was not expecting anything. I was gonna, I mean, I, like you know, I mean, like you know, he told everybody about 14 Branchland Court Ruckersville, VA 22968. Anybody could go to my house…

'''Kacey:''' So that means you could be a fat impostor too? So that makes it right? Right?

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Kacey:''' Oh it does? It does? Did you just say yes to me? Did you just say yes?

'''Chris:''' No, no, no, no, no, no. No. No! I, I, I, I’m not even gonna, ah, I, I, okay, yeah, he was flaunting the address along with a lot of fake documents and a fake driver's license. If he had successfully fooled anyone into actually going to the home address they would’ve found the real me anyway then realized that he was a troll...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] It doesn’t matter, you’ve already put that info on the internet, obviously! Because I’ve went to your pages. And I went to the ED thing. I went to everything. And I mean, you put yourself out there, so you were asking for it. But does that mean that I had to be caught up in the middle? You could’ve told me. You. Could. Have. Told. Me. I mean, you could’ve saved me. But you know what? You were just as bad as him. You’re just a big fat fucking liar.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I dinna, I did not have the good, as well as information from the ah, from Dan. I, ah, ah, his name tag, I think his name was Dan. I didn’t have that much information from Dan yet…

'''Kacey:''' His name is Chris. His name IS Chris. [pause] God…

'''Chris:''' I’m talking about the guy who, the guy who called him Jeff.

'''Kacey:''' Whatever, well who cares that it’s... You didn’t have to give me those fucking e-mails. Cuz that just made him look bad too. And I don’t think he’s really doing that shit behind my back. I really, really don’t.

'''Chris:''' I mean, I’m not, I’m not…

'''Kacey:''' I’ve seen him, I’ve had dinner with him, I’ve seen his car, I’ve seen his driver’s license. What the hell dude? What?

'''Chris:''' I’m not, I’m not, I’m not putting him down for, uh, I’m not saying that he, ah, that he’s guilty of those things or anything like…

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Then why would you show them to me? Why would you show me those first before you decided to tell me? You were trying to make him look bad and you know it! So, where does that put you? Where does that put you in this?

'''Chris:''' I, Ike, I understand, this puts me in a bad position.

'''Kacey:''' Why would you even do that? Like if you did, if you did want a chance with me, and let’s say I would come around, what… I, I can’t even speak to you! I can’t even SPEAK to you I am so angry. [sobbing]

'''Chris:''' I, I understand, I understand.

'''Kacey:''' You don’t even sound like you are upset that I am crying. So what am I supposed to believe?

'''Chris:''' I am upset.

'''Kacey:''' No!

'''Chris:''' I am upset.

'''Kacey:''' No you’re not!

'''Chris:''' Try to remain calm.

'''Kacey:''' No you’re not!

'''Chris:''' I’m trying to remain calm.

'''Kacey:''' How am I supposed to be calm? Look what you did!

'''Chris:''' I know, I know. I, I’m very very sorry…

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] You’re just disappointed that I…

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] And I would be willing to do anything in the world to make it up to you!

'''Kacey:''' Well then why did you invite me over first? You’re just disappointed now because I’m definitely not coming. You, I mean, just, you had ulterior motives or else you would’ve told me something first. You fucking told me, "Hey, call me. Hey, send me pictures. Hey come visit me." The first thing you said, the first thing was "Hey, come see me." What? What the hell?

'''Chris:''' Well, I, I assumed he was going to tell you that anyway. I, I had, I mean…

'''Kacey:''' No! No! But you know what? Do you know… what? Rrrrgh! I mean, do you not get that even, let’s say that he is doing all these evil things to you, do you not get that trying to steal a girlfriend is wrong? Did you not get that maybe, maybe I love him? And I mean, ah, I mean you were trying to say you weren’t going to rape me but you’re like, "we can go to my room and go straight to love making." I mean when were you going to tell me? When were you going to tell me? When I came in the door? You think that I wasn’t going to freak out or something? You think I wasn’t going to notice that you’re not him?!

'''Chris:''' [sigh]

'''Kacey:''' That would be embarrassing for your parents. What - did you not even think of them?

'''Chris:''' I thought of a lot of things but I can’t think of everything at once. I have a mental problem, I’m actually [[slow-in-the-minds|slow in the mind]] sometimes. I- I can't think of everything...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] You know what, that’s not a good enough excuse [Chris starts to interrupt] Hey! No! You let me talk! You let me talk!

'''Chris:''' Okay.

'''Kacey:''' No, that is not a good excuse. That is never a good excuse. You just do not freaking do that. You do not blame shit like that, you, you knew what you were doing and I know you knew what you were doing. You were being a selfish little prick.

'''Chris:''' Ah… I thought, I’m sorry I came off that impression.

'''Kacey:''' Well what did you think you were going to do?

'''Chris:''' I'm sorry. I was, I was going… I just wanted to show you the face of truth. I just wanted, I mean, ah, I mean sure I could...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting again] I mean I don’t think it’s much of an impression. I think you ARE like that.

'''Chris:''' No. I, I’m serious!

'''Kacey:''' You’re sad because he’s cuter.

'''Chris:''' I would not, I would not...

'''Kacey:''' He’s more talented...

'''Chris:''' I would not, I seriously would not...

'''Kacey:''' Would you stop?

'''Chris:''' I would not ask you do that.

'''Kacey:''' Excuse me, excuse me. Excuse me.

'''Chris:''' I seriously would not’ve asked you to do that.

'''Kacey:''' You do not speak over me. Especially not after what you’ve done. Especially not. After. What. You’ve. Done!

'''Chris:''' I understand. I understand you got all the nervous tension from the stress and all this shock and everything.

'''Kacey:''' No! No, I have nervous tension because you decided to play me. And it has, it has nothing to do with what he did now. It has with what you did. You tried to play me and you let me talk to you like that on the phone knowing that you were, I, I should’ve known. I should’ve known. You, you’re terrible! You are so terrible! What, what did you think was going to happen? That I was going to say "Thank you?" "You’re awesome?" "I love you?" You said you loved me and you not… oh my god! You’re a horrible horrible human being, if you’re even a human being.

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] I, I’m sorry, I know that I cannot say that I love you. I know, I never, I mean, I never even wanted to say I love you but [[Chris and remorse|you forced me to say I love you.]] A few times.

'''Kacey:''' I didn’t force you to do anything! I didn’t force you to do anything. Remember that I thought you were MY Chris. I thought you were my Chris. So why wouldn’t he tell me that he loved me?

'''Chris:''' Yeah, yeah, you thought I was Jeff. His name is Jeff.

'''Kacey:''' No, his name is Chris.

'''Chris:''' …egh… take another look at his driver’s license, but, ah seriously though, I had, I mean, I was, I had to uh, let you know I was trying, I mean, I was, I mean I thought I’d give you a chance to get to know me per, on my own personal level.

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Woah, woah, woah, woah. You think I’m still going to get to know you? You, you what?

'''Chris:''' No, no I mean…

'''Kacey:''' What?

'''Chris:''' Listen, if I told you right off you woulda thought then like, “Oh my God, a [[troll]] got into his account," and that he was the real Chris.

'''Kacey:''' Well then don’t you think you should’ve done that first?

'''Chris:''' I’ve been trying to get back my own identity that he stole from me.

'''Kacey:''' Oh, he stole your identity huh? Well maybe if you didn’t post it all over the fucking internet he wouldn’t have been able to have it. You ever think of that?

'''Chris:''' I mean, all he had, sure. All he needed was Christian Weston Chandler, the Christopher and Ricardo was not optional.

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] None of those, none of those, none of those are very, uh, exotic names. You don’t think that he couldn’t have the same name by, you know, coincidence? I mean a lot of people are named Chris!

'''Chris:''' Yeah I can understand that but still he’s not the, I mean but I can tell you that he is not the Christian Weston Chandler if that is his real name...

'''Kacey:''' Okay, he's not you, but you're showing me who Christian Weston Chandler is and he's just a fat fuck who doesn't care about me, who doesn't care about anyone's feelings, I mean... just, and, and what! You were getting me to spy on your own friend! You were getting me to spy on your own friend [[Kim]]! And what the hell? And you were saying how she might like you or whatever. What about that? What happened to, you know what, I'm talking to Kim, what happens if I tell Kim? [pause] Would you [stops short]

'''Chris:''' [heavy sigh]

'''Kacey:''' I don't think she's going to like that.

'''Chris:''' Yeah...

'''Kacey:''' 'Cause I know I don't.

'''Chris:''' I can imagine, yeah, I can just imagine, yeah, she wouldn't like that at all. Even I don't like it.

'''Kacey:''' I mean, ah, she has a boyfriend too, right? What happens if her boyfriend finds out? 'Cause he's going to. He is going to.

'''Chris:''' [sigh]

'''Kacey:''' You're just a big chunky fuck!

'''Chris:''' I have, I have had, I've had, I've had a lot of emotional traumas in my lifetime, in the past with women. I mean I've even lost some over the internet.

'''Kacey:''' Yeah! I wonder why, I wonder why you have. I mean, if you treat them like this... Yeah, you know what? Now wonder you-

[a lot of unintelligible arguing over each other occurs here, the most made out is Kacey saying "Don't you talk over me!"]

'''Chris:''' [[Chris and Death|They got killed! They died!]]

'''Kacey:''' Yeah, probably 'cause they wanted to get away from you!

'''Chris:''' No!

'''Kacey:''' But you do not talk over me like that!

'''Chris:''' Like [[Sarah Jackson]] died in an automobile accident. I'm serious, her sister told me that. [[PandaHalo|Sarah Cassandra McKenzie slash PandaHalo]] died in a brush fire.

'''Kacey:''' What? Like I, like I believe anything that you, like I can believe you. Like I can totally believe you. And you know what? You know what? It doesn't even matter, 'cause you know what? I don't care. I don't care if he's not the Sonichu creator. I don't care who he is, I love him. And he's been there for me and you will never ever be him. He can at least play guitar, he can at least sing to me, he's been the one with me, you haven't. The fff, the only time I've had with you is you trying to trick me and get me in bed. What the fuck? What the fuck? You even lied to me about going to college.

'''Chris:''' ...uh, yeah, but...

'''Kacey:''' It must be hard to hear, 'cause you know what, you don't even sound like him.

'''Chris:''' [[Women's Rights|I, I, I, uh, I understand and respect your decision. You are welcome to stay with him, but you still you had to know that, uh, still...]]

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Oh, I'm welcome to stay with him if I get your permission? I get your permission? I get your permission to stay with my own boyfriend? Where? Where are you coming off?

'''Chris:''' [starting to yell] No. No, I, I, I, I never, I never said that, I never meant it like that.

'''Kacey:''' Yes you did, you just said that I was welcome to, maybe you should choose your words a little better.

'''Chris:''' Uh, yeah, you're right. I sometimes have a bad choice, sometimes I go melt when choose my own words. I am, I mean, it's a part of my, part of the real life autism is sometimes.

'''Kacey:''' Is this why no girl [realizes that Chris is blaming his autism] Don't you blame that, don't you blame that! Are you serious? Are you serious? Do you not know how many autistic children I've worked with? And you know, they don't do that. They don't fucking do that. You know what, I don't even think you have autism. I think you have something else. I think you have something that just makes you so... narcissistic that's just so, you're so full of yourself. I mean, that's not autism. What the hell is wrong with you?

'''Chris:''' Actually yeah, that is a piece of autism.

'''Kacey:''' No. No its not.

'''Chris:''' Being socially inept.

'''Kacey:''' And I guarantell, I can guarantee you that I know more about this shit than you. You know what, prove it. Prove it. Go ahead. Because I don't believe you. You ever ever ever want a chance with me, you need to choo- you need to prove that. [pause] Because you are not textbook case.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, you're right, I am not textbook case. I'm uh, definitely uh, not textbook case.

'''Kacey:''' Well, I think you need to... [Chris cuts her off]

'''Chris:''' Beyond that, uh... yeah, well, I got all [[Autism papers|the papers]] here at the home, [[Bob|my father]] has them in the filing cabinet. It not like, it's not like...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Fine then, I want to see them. I want to see them. Send them to me like you sent those pictures. Show them in a video. Right now.

'''Kacey:''' Maybe I'll forgive you.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' Uh, I can't do it right now, because, I uh...

'''Kacey:''' No, you're going to have to.

'''Chris:''' My fath- My father has...

'''Kacey:''' [talking over Chris] You're going to have to or else I'm going to tell Kim. I'm going to tell Kim.

'''Chris:''' My father, my, my father is asleep! An he hanna, [Chris stops and starts several words here, but keeps talking] and the filing cabinet is locked. And it's like he has to go through every single file in the filing cabinet to find the one document.

'''Kacey:''' Well I guess I'm not that important, now am I? And neither is Kim. I think if you could...

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] Now, now, if, IF! Ah, after he's awake I can ask him if I can see it and then if I...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Please, you're 27, you're 27, you can't do it?

'''Chris:''' if I can... and then, and then, and then if I, and then after I get it [Kacey stifles a laugh] I'll, I'll uh, I'll take it, I'll scan it or take a picture of it, I'm not sure I'll be able to scan it because my scanner/copier/printer is out of order.

'''Kacey:''' You better find a way. You better find a fucking way. Because, you're, you're fucking smart, right? I mean, I guess, you fooled me. So... [scoffs]

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I'm not always so smart.

'''Kacey:''' No, your behavior is inexcusable and has nothing to do with being smart or stupid. It has to do with being you.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' Yeah. Hmm. Well.

'''Kacey:''' And you know what? The best part is, you're not going to learn from this are you? You're just going to keep doing this shit to people like poor Kim, or poor [[Megan]] or any of this crap.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' [sigh] Actually, for your information, Kim already has a boyfriend and I respect her space very much.

'''Kacey:''' So, so, so that makes it better that you want me to spy on her to see if she likes you and all that stuff?

'''Chris:''' She, n-no, she can tell you the same, she can tell you the actual kind of person she, uh, learned from me from multiple conversations.

'''Kacey:''' Oh no, I think, I think she's going to know something different. I think she's going to know something different, 'cause you're fucking disgusting me and I know you're going to disgust her. This is-

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] Actually it's not, actually it's not going to surprise her. She's actually pretty much figured this out on her own and we discussed this.

'''Kacey:''' Hey, would you, would you stop insulting me? No, no, seriously, I think that you need to prove it to both of us, because you know what, I'm sick of this. I mean you want, you know you're going to lean on your autism so much and everything, you need to prove it. You need to fucking prove it to me, and I think you owe me after what you put me through the last couple days. I think you fucking owe me.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I'll do, I'll, I'll do anything. I'll, uh, get the paper...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] You better do it, you better do it.

'''Chris:''' I'll get the paper, I'll take, I'll, uh, get, I'll make it into a picture file and I'll e-mail it to you personally.

'''Kacey:''' You better. 'Cause I swear to God, you, you better not be lying to me. 'Cause remember, I'm not too far away. And I would be very, very happy to tell the [[jerkops|authorities]] about what you did. 'Cause remember, you were still doing identity theft too, of him, and you were leading me on. And I mean, I, just, erg, thank God I wasn't there.

'''Chris:''' No! He was the one that did identity theft against... Oh, okay, yeah.

'''Kacey:''' Fine! Fine, whatever, I was ju-

'''Chris:''' Ok, for the... I'm sorry, I take that back...granted, for the past few days I've been pretending to be him, but I never said- I never called myself Jeff. That's his real name though.

'''Kacey:''' His name is not Jeff, but you know what, the thing is... all you are doing is following the autism part, and I can tell you’ve done it before. That does not excuse any of this shit. You prove it to me tomorrow.

'''Chris:''' You’re right… all right, I’ll prove it to you.

'''Kacey:''' Good, because I mean, this is just ridiculous. I mean... You we- you were hacking and hacking is frowned upon. You are no better than trolls you think troll you.

'''Chris:''' [deep sigh] Yeah, hmmm... Uh, Y-You know... all- I

'''Kacey:''' No, you don’t even have an excuse do you, you don’t have an excuse at all.

'''Chris:''' I'm not asking for an excuse. I was going to ask you-

'''Kacey:''' No, you are giving me excuses.

'''Chris:''' I was going to ask you for a fav- for a...

'''Kacey:''' For a favor?! You want me to give you a favor? After all this?

'''Chris:''' STOP! Stop. It-It’s not THAT kind, it’s not that kind of favor! Please listen.

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] I didn’t say it was that kind of favor-

'''Chris:''' I just want you to talk to this, to this… Christian Weston Chandler in brown stripes... Or Jeff, whatever his name is. I just want you to encourage him...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] GOD, Just shut the fuck up!

'''Chris:''' ...to fess up. He’s not the real original creator...

'''Kacey:''' [talking over Chris] It doesn’t matter! It doesn’t matter about him. Shut the fuck up!

'''Chris:''' ...to give me back my own identity...

'''Kacey:''' Shut up! Seriously, it has nothing to do with him right now. This is between you and me.

'''Chris:''' Yes, this is between you and me. But I’m just asking you to encourage him to, uh, to reveal himself.

'''Kacey:''' W-Who would want your identity now? Oh my God, When I tell him about this, do you think he’s going to care? Let’s say you are right, do you think he’s going to care anymore? You have sullied the name of Christian Weston Chandler and Sonichu. I mean, think about what you did… forever. For-ev-er.

'''Chris:''' [stuttering noises]

'''Kacey:''' Is this the way you want people to remember you?

'''Chris:''' No it's not.

'''Kacey:''' Then why did you do it?

'''Chris:''' I'm trying to improve myself. I've learned-

'''Kacey:''' Well you know what? You can start by showing me those documents. That’s how you can start.

'''Chris:''' Okay. I’ll get the documents and I’ll show them to you.

'''Kacey:''' You better.

'''Chris:''' I will. [pause] Again, I’m sorry, to have put you through all that.

'''Kacey:''' [takes a deep breath]

'''Chris:''' Take some deep breaths, stay safe…

'''Kacey:''' You know what?

'''Chris:''' Try to keep a happy thought.

'''Kacey:''' Happy thought?! [chuckle] Fuck you. You’re talking to me about happy thoughts. I mean, you don’t even sound like… GOD, I just can’t do it. I can’t do it. Just, do it tomorrow. Just- UGH!!

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I understand. [sigh, then talks in a whisper] I’m sorry. [pause, sigh] I’ll talk to you later. Stay safe, take care.

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==External links==
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Kacey Call 3

2020-08-08T01:26:00Z

BlueGoose: Added a summary to this Kacey call.

{{quote|I told her the long story about him and me getting access to his account and all that in an e-mail. She called me on my cell later, and I listened to her rant on about portraying me as the bad guy from pretending to be Jeff, yet she CARED for him very much regardless of using a stolen name and identity.}}
{{quote|I did what I originally set out to do with Kacie, make her aware about her being with the Impostor and NOT the real artist. That was my only design and course with her, since she was that close to Jeff. And I tried to be a friend for her. Oh, well.|Chris, [[Katie Bay E-mails 5]]}}

In '''Kacey Call 3''', recorded on 4 [[August 2009]] a few hours after the [[Kacey Call 2|previous phone call]], a devastated Kacey confronts Chris about impersonating her boyfriend [[Liquid Chris]] over the phone.

==Summary==
• The call begins with Kacey whining at Chris for impersonating Liquid Chris. Chris attempted to refute her concerns by insisting he was trying to be her friend and show her the face of a true man. 
• Kacey calls out Chris's nonchalant attitude during the call, as his tone of voice hadn't changed at all during Kacey's rant. 
• Chris used his autism as a crutch to try and deflect from his lack of forsight. 
• Chris tried to deflect the blame onto stress, shock, and even insisted the situation was Kacey's fault because she forced him to say "I love you" to her when he didn't want to. 
• Chris brought up his dead sweethearts in order to try and get sympathy from Kacey. 
• Chris blamed him autism for a second time after Kacey told him to choose his words better. 
• Kacey demanded that Chris prove that he is actually autistic, but Chris says he cannot because he did not want to wake Bob up to find the autism papers. 
• Kacey insists that Chris must show her the autism papers in order to earn some of her trust back, Chris agrees and promises that he will get them later. The call ends. 

==Video==
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name = Kacey Call 3
{{#ev:youtube|SNn8K5vexfE}}
| Stardate = 4 [[August 2009]]
| Featuring = [[Solid Chris]]; [[Kacey]]
| Saga = [[Image:Liquid_saga.png]] [[Liquid]] Saga
| previous = [[Kacey Call 2]]
| next = [[Kacey Call 4]]
}}

'''Chris:''' Hello?

'''Kacey:''' [''heavy sigh; then, in an incredibly whiny tone''] I can’t believe you did that. Wha-what is wrong with you? I mean, you didn’t, you could’ve just told me something, you didn’t even have to make him look so bad. Just, what the hell?

'''Chris:''' Kacey. I’m sorry. I was trying to spare your feelings.

'''Kacey:''' No! No you weren’t! Why couldn’t you just tell me from the start? I mean, [sobbing] I mean what happens if he did something to me or if, what happens if YOU did something to me? You wanted me to come to [[14 Branchland Court|YOUR house]]! And, wha-what were you gonna do? You think I wouldn’t know? [sigh]

'''Chris:''' I was trying to ease you into it. I’m sorry.

'''Kacey:''' That’s not easing someone into it. Just what were you going to do? Rape me? Or what were you going to do?

'''Chris:''' No! No! No. I was only going to show you the true face of the real man.

'''Kacey:''' But what makes you the real man? Why the fuck would I love YOU? You tricked me too! [sobbing] I don’t know, it’s just, I mean, just how could you? You’re just as bad as him. [sobbing]

'''Chris:''' I know and I understand. I’m sorry.

'''Kacey:''' No! No you’re not, cuz you’re the one that told me this shit and and… I mean you had so, so many chances, you’re just, it’s fucking me… you were playing with me, you were playing with my heart. I mean, what? So you could get laid out of it? So you could be not a virgin anymore?

'''Chris:''' No. No. No, no, I was trying to, ah, I was trying to earn, I was trying to be your friend. I was trying to, uh…

'''Kacey:''' How? How is that being my friend? How is that being my friend? Tricking me! I mean, you were pretending to be same person you’re trying to save me from. I mean, why would I want to be your friend, much less your girlfriend? I mean what redeeming qualities do you have that you have shown me now? [sigh]

'''Chris:''' I can’t say off the top of my head, but I would do my best to make up for what I have done-

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] No! Of course you can’t, of course you can’t! You know what? Exactly! This is it exactly! You can’t, you can’t do any of the things he did for me! You can’t play the guitar, you don’t have a job, you aren’t in school, I mean how did you even… I can’t believe you fooled me. I can’t believe that I did that, because you know what, even if he tricked me, I at least was trying to stay true to him. Look what you did to me. Now, not only that but you made me a cheater!

[pause]

'''Chris:''' Yeah…

'''Kacey:''' You’re. Nothing. Like. Him! How am I just supposed to, I mean you can’t even say anything! And look at what you did! Look what you did!

'''Chris:''' I am looking at what I did. I’m looking and I have done a lot of damage.

'''Kacey:''' I mean, you think I could go from him to you? I mean, just like that? Just like, "oh look, I make Sonichu!" I mean, I just… Like, you know what? Do you even know what’s right and wrong? Even if what he did was wrong he was at least there for me and, and… I just don’t fucking know anymore. Just what were you expecting?

'''Chris:''' It’s okay…

'''Kacey:''' Just what were you expecting me to do, just go "oh, okay"?

'''Chris:''' Uh, no, no, I was, I was not expecting anything. I was gonna, I mean, I, like you know, I mean, like you know, he told everybody about 14 Branchland Court Ruckersville, VA 22968. Anybody could go to my house…

'''Kacey:''' So that means you could be a fat impostor too? So that makes it right? Right?

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Kacey:''' Oh it does? It does? Did you just say yes to me? Did you just say yes?

'''Chris:''' No, no, no, no, no, no. No. No! I, I, I, I’m not even gonna, ah, I, I, okay, yeah, he was flaunting the address along with a lot of fake documents and a fake driver's license. If he had successfully fooled anyone into actually going to the home address they would’ve found the real me anyway then realized that he was a troll...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] It doesn’t matter, you’ve already put that info on the internet, obviously! Because I’ve went to your pages. And I went to the ED thing. I went to everything. And I mean, you put yourself out there, so you were asking for it. But does that mean that I had to be caught up in the middle? You could’ve told me. You. Could. Have. Told. Me. I mean, you could’ve saved me. But you know what? You were just as bad as him. You’re just a big fat fucking liar.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I dinna, I did not have the good, as well as information from the ah, from Dan. I, ah, ah, his name tag, I think his name was Dan. I didn’t have that much information from Dan yet…

'''Kacey:''' His name is Chris. His name IS Chris. [pause] God…

'''Chris:''' I’m talking about the guy who, the guy who called him Jeff.

'''Kacey:''' Whatever, well who cares that it’s... You didn’t have to give me those fucking e-mails. Cuz that just made him look bad too. And I don’t think he’s really doing that shit behind my back. I really, really don’t.

'''Chris:''' I mean, I’m not, I’m not…

'''Kacey:''' I’ve seen him, I’ve had dinner with him, I’ve seen his car, I’ve seen his driver’s license. What the hell dude? What?

'''Chris:''' I’m not, I’m not, I’m not putting him down for, uh, I’m not saying that he, ah, that he’s guilty of those things or anything like…

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Then why would you show them to me? Why would you show me those first before you decided to tell me? You were trying to make him look bad and you know it! So, where does that put you? Where does that put you in this?

'''Chris:''' I, Ike, I understand, this puts me in a bad position.

'''Kacey:''' Why would you even do that? Like if you did, if you did want a chance with me, and let’s say I would come around, what… I, I can’t even speak to you! I can’t even SPEAK to you I am so angry. [sobbing]

'''Chris:''' I, I understand, I understand.

'''Kacey:''' You don’t even sound like you are upset that I am crying. So what am I supposed to believe?

'''Chris:''' I am upset.

'''Kacey:''' No!

'''Chris:''' I am upset.

'''Kacey:''' No you’re not!

'''Chris:''' Try to remain calm.

'''Kacey:''' No you’re not!

'''Chris:''' I’m trying to remain calm.

'''Kacey:''' How am I supposed to be calm? Look what you did!

'''Chris:''' I know, I know. I, I’m very very sorry…

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] You’re just disappointed that I…

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] And I would be willing to do anything in the world to make it up to you!

'''Kacey:''' Well then why did you invite me over first? You’re just disappointed now because I’m definitely not coming. You, I mean, just, you had ulterior motives or else you would’ve told me something first. You fucking told me, "Hey, call me. Hey, send me pictures. Hey come visit me." The first thing you said, the first thing was "Hey, come see me." What? What the hell?

'''Chris:''' Well, I, I assumed he was going to tell you that anyway. I, I had, I mean…

'''Kacey:''' No! No! But you know what? Do you know… what? Rrrrgh! I mean, do you not get that even, let’s say that he is doing all these evil things to you, do you not get that trying to steal a girlfriend is wrong? Did you not get that maybe, maybe I love him? And I mean, ah, I mean you were trying to say you weren’t going to rape me but you’re like, "we can go to my room and go straight to love making." I mean when were you going to tell me? When were you going to tell me? When I came in the door? You think that I wasn’t going to freak out or something? You think I wasn’t going to notice that you’re not him?!

'''Chris:''' [sigh]

'''Kacey:''' That would be embarrassing for your parents. What - did you not even think of them?

'''Chris:''' I thought of a lot of things but I can’t think of everything at once. I have a mental problem, I’m actually [[slow-in-the-minds|slow in the mind]] sometimes. I- I can't think of everything...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] You know what, that’s not a good enough excuse [Chris starts to interrupt] Hey! No! You let me talk! You let me talk!

'''Chris:''' Okay.

'''Kacey:''' No, that is not a good excuse. That is never a good excuse. You just do not freaking do that. You do not blame shit like that, you, you knew what you were doing and I know you knew what you were doing. You were being a selfish little prick.

'''Chris:''' Ah… I thought, I’m sorry I came off that impression.

'''Kacey:''' Well what did you think you were going to do?

'''Chris:''' I'm sorry. I was, I was going… I just wanted to show you the face of truth. I just wanted, I mean, ah, I mean sure I could...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting again] I mean I don’t think it’s much of an impression. I think you ARE like that.

'''Chris:''' No. I, I’m serious!

'''Kacey:''' You’re sad because he’s cuter.

'''Chris:''' I would not, I would not...

'''Kacey:''' He’s more talented...

'''Chris:''' I would not, I seriously would not...

'''Kacey:''' Would you stop?

'''Chris:''' I would not ask you do that.

'''Kacey:''' Excuse me, excuse me. Excuse me.

'''Chris:''' I seriously would not’ve asked you to do that.

'''Kacey:''' You do not speak over me. Especially not after what you’ve done. Especially not. After. What. You’ve. Done!

'''Chris:''' I understand. I understand you got all the nervous tension from the stress and all this shock and everything.

'''Kacey:''' No! No, I have nervous tension because you decided to play me. And it has, it has nothing to do with what he did now. It has with what you did. You tried to play me and you let me talk to you like that on the phone knowing that you were, I, I should’ve known. I should’ve known. You, you’re terrible! You are so terrible! What, what did you think was going to happen? That I was going to say "Thank you?" "You’re awesome?" "I love you?" You said you loved me and you not… oh my god! You’re a horrible horrible human being, if you’re even a human being.

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] I, I’m sorry, I know that I cannot say that I love you. I know, I never, I mean, I never even wanted to say I love you but [[Chris and remorse|you forced me to say I love you.]] A few times.

'''Kacey:''' I didn’t force you to do anything! I didn’t force you to do anything. Remember that I thought you were MY Chris. I thought you were my Chris. So why wouldn’t he tell me that he loved me?

'''Chris:''' Yeah, yeah, you thought I was Jeff. His name is Jeff.

'''Kacey:''' No, his name is Chris.

'''Chris:''' …egh… take another look at his driver’s license, but, ah seriously though, I had, I mean, I was, I had to uh, let you know I was trying, I mean, I was, I mean I thought I’d give you a chance to get to know me per, on my own personal level.

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Woah, woah, woah, woah. You think I’m still going to get to know you? You, you what?

'''Chris:''' No, no I mean…

'''Kacey:''' What?

'''Chris:''' Listen, if I told you right off you woulda thought then like, “Oh my God, a [[troll]] got into his account," and that he was the real Chris.

'''Kacey:''' Well then don’t you think you should’ve done that first?

'''Chris:''' I’ve been trying to get back my own identity that he stole from me.

'''Kacey:''' Oh, he stole your identity huh? Well maybe if you didn’t post it all over the fucking internet he wouldn’t have been able to have it. You ever think of that?

'''Chris:''' I mean, all he had, sure. All he needed was Christian Weston Chandler, the Christopher and Ricardo was not optional.

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] None of those, none of those, none of those are very, uh, exotic names. You don’t think that he couldn’t have the same name by, you know, coincidence? I mean a lot of people are named Chris!

'''Chris:''' Yeah I can understand that but still he’s not the, I mean but I can tell you that he is not the Christian Weston Chandler if that is his real name...

'''Kacey:''' Okay, he's not you, but you're showing me who Christian Weston Chandler is and he's just a fat fuck who doesn't care about me, who doesn't care about anyone's feelings, I mean... just, and, and what! You were getting me to spy on your own friend! You were getting me to spy on your own friend [[Kim]]! And what the hell? And you were saying how she might like you or whatever. What about that? What happened to, you know what, I'm talking to Kim, what happens if I tell Kim? [pause] Would you [stops short]

'''Chris:''' [heavy sigh]

'''Kacey:''' I don't think she's going to like that.

'''Chris:''' Yeah...

'''Kacey:''' 'Cause I know I don't.

'''Chris:''' I can imagine, yeah, I can just imagine, yeah, she wouldn't like that at all. Even I don't like it.

'''Kacey:''' I mean, ah, she has a boyfriend too, right? What happens if her boyfriend finds out? 'Cause he's going to. He is going to.

'''Chris:''' [sigh]

'''Kacey:''' You're just a big chunky fuck!

'''Chris:''' I have, I have had, I've had, I've had a lot of emotional traumas in my lifetime, in the past with women. I mean I've even lost some over the internet.

'''Kacey:''' Yeah! I wonder why, I wonder why you have. I mean, if you treat them like this... Yeah, you know what? Now wonder you-

[a lot of unintelligible arguing over each other occurs here, the most made out is Kacey saying "Don't you talk over me!"]

'''Chris:''' [[Chris and Death|They got killed! They died!]]

'''Kacey:''' Yeah, probably 'cause they wanted to get away from you!

'''Chris:''' No!

'''Kacey:''' But you do not talk over me like that!

'''Chris:''' Like [[Sarah Jackson]] died in an automobile accident. I'm serious, her sister told me that. [[PandaHalo|Sarah Cassandra McKenzie slash PandaHalo]] died in a brush fire.

'''Kacey:''' What? Like I, like I believe anything that you, like I can believe you. Like I can totally believe you. And you know what? You know what? It doesn't even matter, 'cause you know what? I don't care. I don't care if he's not the Sonichu creator. I don't care who he is, I love him. And he's been there for me and you will never ever be him. He can at least play guitar, he can at least sing to me, he's been the one with me, you haven't. The fff, the only time I've had with you is you trying to trick me and get me in bed. What the fuck? What the fuck? You even lied to me about going to college.

'''Chris:''' ...uh, yeah, but...

'''Kacey:''' It must be hard to hear, 'cause you know what, you don't even sound like him.

'''Chris:''' [[Women's Rights|I, I, I, uh, I understand and respect your decision. You are welcome to stay with him, but you still you had to know that, uh, still...]]

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Oh, I'm welcome to stay with him if I get your permission? I get your permission? I get your permission to stay with my own boyfriend? Where? Where are you coming off?

'''Chris:''' [starting to yell] No. No, I, I, I, I never, I never said that, I never meant it like that.

'''Kacey:''' Yes you did, you just said that I was welcome to, maybe you should choose your words a little better.

'''Chris:''' Uh, yeah, you're right. I sometimes have a bad choice, sometimes I go melt when choose my own words. I am, I mean, it's a part of my, part of the real life autism is sometimes.

'''Kacey:''' Is this why no girl [realizes that Chris is blaming his autism] Don't you blame that, don't you blame that! Are you serious? Are you serious? Do you not know how many autistic children I've worked with? And you know, they don't do that. They don't fucking do that. You know what, I don't even think you have autism. I think you have something else. I think you have something that just makes you so... narcissistic that's just so, you're so full of yourself. I mean, that's not autism. What the hell is wrong with you?

'''Chris:''' Actually yeah, that is a piece of autism.

'''Kacey:''' No. No its not.

'''Chris:''' Being socially inept.

'''Kacey:''' And I guarantell, I can guarantee you that I know more about this shit than you. You know what, prove it. Prove it. Go ahead. Because I don't believe you. You ever ever ever want a chance with me, you need to choo- you need to prove that. [pause] Because you are not textbook case.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, you're right, I am not textbook case. I'm uh, definitely uh, not textbook case.

'''Kacey:''' Well, I think you need to... [Chris cuts her off]

'''Chris:''' Beyond that, uh... yeah, well, I got all [[Autism papers|the papers]] here at the home, [[Bob|my father]] has them in the filing cabinet. It not like, it's not like...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Fine then, I want to see them. I want to see them. Send them to me like you sent those pictures. Show them in a video. Right now.

'''Kacey:''' Maybe I'll forgive you.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' Uh, I can't do it right now, because, I uh...

'''Kacey:''' No, you're going to have to.

'''Chris:''' My fath- My father has...

'''Kacey:''' [talking over Chris] You're going to have to or else I'm going to tell Kim. I'm going to tell Kim.

'''Chris:''' My father, my, my father is asleep! An he hanna, [Chris stops and starts several words here, but keeps talking] and the filing cabinet is locked. And it's like he has to go through every single file in the filing cabinet to find the one document.

'''Kacey:''' Well I guess I'm not that important, now am I? And neither is Kim. I think if you could...

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] Now, now, if, IF! Ah, after he's awake I can ask him if I can see it and then if I...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Please, you're 27, you're 27, you can't do it?

'''Chris:''' if I can... and then, and then, and then if I, and then after I get it [Kacey stifles a laugh] I'll, I'll uh, I'll take it, I'll scan it or take a picture of it, I'm not sure I'll be able to scan it because my scanner/copier/printer is out of order.

'''Kacey:''' You better find a way. You better find a fucking way. Because, you're, you're fucking smart, right? I mean, I guess, you fooled me. So... [scoffs]

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I'm not always so smart.

'''Kacey:''' No, your behavior is inexcusable and has nothing to do with being smart or stupid. It has to do with being you.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' Yeah. Hmm. Well.

'''Kacey:''' And you know what? The best part is, you're not going to learn from this are you? You're just going to keep doing this shit to people like poor Kim, or poor [[Megan]] or any of this crap.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' [sigh] Actually, for your information, Kim already has a boyfriend and I respect her space very much.

'''Kacey:''' So, so, so that makes it better that you want me to spy on her to see if she likes you and all that stuff?

'''Chris:''' She, n-no, she can tell you the same, she can tell you the actual kind of person she, uh, learned from me from multiple conversations.

'''Kacey:''' Oh no, I think, I think she's going to know something different. I think she's going to know something different, 'cause you're fucking disgusting me and I know you're going to disgust her. This is-

'''Chris:''' [interrupting] Actually it's not, actually it's not going to surprise her. She's actually pretty much figured this out on her own and we discussed this.

'''Kacey:''' Hey, would you, would you stop insulting me? No, no, seriously, I think that you need to prove it to both of us, because you know what, I'm sick of this. I mean you want, you know you're going to lean on your autism so much and everything, you need to prove it. You need to fucking prove it to me, and I think you owe me after what you put me through the last couple days. I think you fucking owe me.

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I'll do, I'll, I'll do anything. I'll, uh, get the paper...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] You better do it, you better do it.

'''Chris:''' I'll get the paper, I'll take, I'll, uh, get, I'll make it into a picture file and I'll e-mail it to you personally.

'''Kacey:''' You better. 'Cause I swear to God, you, you better not be lying to me. 'Cause remember, I'm not too far away. And I would be very, very happy to tell the [[jerkops|authorities]] about what you did. 'Cause remember, you were still doing identity theft too, of him, and you were leading me on. And I mean, I, just, erg, thank God I wasn't there.

'''Chris:''' No! He was the one that did identity theft against... Oh, okay, yeah.

'''Kacey:''' Fine! Fine, whatever, I was ju-

'''Chris:''' Ok, for the... I'm sorry, I take that back...granted, for the past few days I've been pretending to be him, but I never said- I never called myself Jeff. That's his real name though.

'''Kacey:''' His name is not Jeff, but you know what, the thing is... all you are doing is following the autism part, and I can tell you’ve done it before. That does not excuse any of this shit. You prove it to me tomorrow.

'''Chris:''' You’re right… all right, I’ll prove it to you.

'''Kacey:''' Good, because I mean, this is just ridiculous. I mean... You we- you were hacking and hacking is frowned upon. You are no better than trolls you think troll you.

'''Chris:''' [deep sigh] Yeah, hmmm... Uh, Y-You know... all- I

'''Kacey:''' No, you don’t even have an excuse do you, you don’t have an excuse at all.

'''Chris:''' I'm not asking for an excuse. I was going to ask you-

'''Kacey:''' No, you are giving me excuses.

'''Chris:''' I was going to ask you for a fav- for a...

'''Kacey:''' For a favor?! You want me to give you a favor? After all this?

'''Chris:''' STOP! Stop. It-It’s not THAT kind, it’s not that kind of favor! Please listen.

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] I didn’t say it was that kind of favor-

'''Chris:''' I just want you to talk to this, to this… Christian Weston Chandler in brown stripes... Or Jeff, whatever his name is. I just want you to encourage him...

'''Kacey:''' [interrupting] GOD, Just shut the fuck up!

'''Chris:''' ...to fess up. He’s not the real original creator...

'''Kacey:''' [talking over Chris] It doesn’t matter! It doesn’t matter about him. Shut the fuck up!

'''Chris:''' ...to give me back my own identity...

'''Kacey:''' Shut up! Seriously, it has nothing to do with him right now. This is between you and me.

'''Chris:''' Yes, this is between you and me. But I’m just asking you to encourage him to, uh, to reveal himself.

'''Kacey:''' W-Who would want your identity now? Oh my God, When I tell him about this, do you think he’s going to care? Let’s say you are right, do you think he’s going to care anymore? You have sullied the name of Christian Weston Chandler and Sonichu. I mean, think about what you did… forever. For-ev-er.

'''Chris:''' [stuttering noises]

'''Kacey:''' Is this the way you want people to remember you?

'''Chris:''' No it's not.

'''Kacey:''' Then why did you do it?

'''Chris:''' I'm trying to improve myself. I've learned-

'''Kacey:''' Well you know what? You can start by showing me those documents. That’s how you can start.

'''Chris:''' Okay. I’ll get the documents and I’ll show them to you.

'''Kacey:''' You better.

'''Chris:''' I will. [pause] Again, I’m sorry, to have put you through all that.

'''Kacey:''' [takes a deep breath]

'''Chris:''' Take some deep breaths, stay safe…

'''Kacey:''' You know what?

'''Chris:''' Try to keep a happy thought.

'''Kacey:''' Happy thought?! [chuckle] Fuck you. You’re talking to me about happy thoughts. I mean, you don’t even sound like… GOD, I just can’t do it. I can’t do it. Just, do it tomorrow. Just- UGH!!

[pause]

'''Chris:''' I understand. [sigh, then talks in a whisper] I’m sorry. [pause, sigh] I’ll talk to you later. Stay safe, take care.

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