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{{quote|I believe in God and Jesus too, but God must hate me to put me in the lifestyle I am forced to be cooped up and bored with.|Eli Eli lama sabaqtani! (Facebook, 2013)}}<br />
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{{quote|So, I dare say with all due respect to the Lord: meh|Chris abandons the Christian God for [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]] goddesses<ref>[[:File:IdeaGuyCWCreligion6.png]]</ref>}}<br />
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[[Image:NeptuniagoodbyeJC.png|thumb|[[China|The real reason Chris abandoned Christianity.]]]]<br />
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[[Christian Weston Chandler]]'s '''religious beliefs''' have long been a complicated matter. For most of his life, Chris would declare himself to be Christian, yet his stated religious convictions would often diverge starkly from his actual, peculiar beliefs about God, sinfulness, and the nature of good and evil, incorporating a grab bag of other beliefs from unrelated traditions and [[Family Guy|other sources]]. Moreover, Chris has long believed himself to be of unique spiritual importance, believing that he has received [[Dreams|multiple visions from God]] and that he has magical powers. Already in his [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], his characters would regard Chris as their almighty creator and father, creating yet another tier on this wedding cake of theological contradictions. Since [[2017]], under influence by the [[Idea Guys]] and [[Teen Troon Squad|others]], Chris has come to believe that he is a [[Tomgirl Saga|goddess]], [[CPU Blue Heart]], orchestrating an [[Dimensional Merge|apocalypse]] that will end in a [[Dimensions#1C-211987|heavenly new creation]]. Much of his mythology was [[Things Chris has ripped off|lifted]] from the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]] anime. The result is an unholy amalgam of authentic religious traditions, troll forgeries and narcissism, mixed together with neither forethought nor consistency. <br />
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With religion, as with all things, Chris only hears [[Chris and his Ego|what he wants]] to hear. Chris long espoused traditional Christian teachings condemning [[homos]]exuality while ignoring that it also forbids pre-marital [[Chris and sex|sex]], [[Nudes|pornography]] and [[Chris and health|gluttony]]. This dissonance is exemplified in his reaction to the news that [[PandaHalo]] had been raped and impregnated by [[Clyde Cash]]: he actively encouraged her to spend time with her rapist because a child should know and be raised by both of its parents... shortly after encouraging her to get an abortion.<ref>[[IRC (21 January 2009)]]</ref> Chris's [[autism|narrow view of the world]] requires that [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] and [[Rosechu]] in the comics, and his [[true and loyal fanbase]] in the [[Chris and reality|real world]], share his religious beliefs. He has demanded that watchers worship him, and believes it feasible that he could convince half of the world population to join his personality cult.<ref>For comparison, Christendom, the world's largest religion, [https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2017/04/05/christians-remain-worlds-largest-religious-group-but-they-are-declining-in-europe/ makes up only 31%] of the world population.</ref><br />
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==Delusions of godhood==<br />
{{quote|Fear not. For behold I bring tidings of great joy.|Sonichu, [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]}}<br />
{{quote|I prayed for forgiveness from the real Christian. Sonichu, will he forgive me?|Aspie Sonichu, [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]}}<br />
[[Image:Issue 10 Pg 48.jpg|thumb|Sonichu cracks open his tomb and descends in a beam of light.]]<br />
[[File:EmperorChris.png|thumb|left|All hail Christian Weston Chandler, God-<s>Emperor</s> Mayor of [[CWCville]].]]<br />
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Beyond his [[Chris and his Ego|self-infatuation]] visible from any of Chris's creative output, Chris had shown from an early period the nascent belief that he might have been specially chosen. Chris might have developed a God complex as early as [[2000]], as the halo floating over his head on the cover of ''[[Christian's Favorite Hits!]]'' seems to indicate. In his e-mails to [[Reggie Fils-Aimé]] he seems to call himself Jesus: ''"You have my word as an Avid Gamer, Lamb of God, and Humble Human Being that I WILL work Very Hard to Save, Save, Save."''<ref>[[Reggie Fils-Aimé]]</ref> However, this could also be a [[Chris and English|malapropism]] for "Word of God." More definite signs first emerged in late [[2009]], and have accreted over the decade since into Chris's current apotheosis. <br />
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Starting on page 42 of [[Sonichu 10|issue #10]], Chris displays a somewhat disturbing twist to the plot (such as it is) of his comics. [[Ultra Sonichu]] frees [[Zelina Rosechu]] from her stony state using his Chaotic powers, then appears to [[Darkbind Sonichu]] with a message similar in tone, if not outright text, to prophecies of the coming of Jesus Christ (complete with arms outstretched as if he were suspended on a crucifix).<br />
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Later on in the issue, Ultra Sonichu travels to the world of [[Asperchu]], where the characters of that comic inform him that they were forced into their roles by Alec, and that they had been praying to Christian Weston Chandler for deliverance and forgiveness. Lo and behold, Chris did send the Messiah Sonichu to end their suffering. Sonichu uses the "Chaotic Remedy" to miraculously cure them all of their [[Asperger syndrome]] (even though only Asperchu himself had the condition) and gives them new names and new, "better" looks.<br />
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It should be noted that, like Jesus Christ, [[Sonichu]] was born to a [[virgin with rage|virgin]].<br />
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Even before this, Chris had directly compared himself to God. In Issue #7, after Christian is lost in the Time Void, [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Issue_7/Page_32 Sonichu says this].<br />
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{{quote|In the meantime, he will receive the [[Chris and English|accumilitive]] memories of the passing moments, so in a way, he is looking down on us, like our Lord and God are able to, but the vision may be blurred.|[[Sonichu]], [[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]]}}<br />
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Possibly in response to criticism about acting as God, in [https://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Issue_10/Page_61 later pages] Chris addressed the issue of the non-canon Chaotic Combo worshipping him in an incredibly ignorant manner. First, he declares that he is not God but "a servant of him and Jesus", and immediately after goes on to "forgive" Michael (the copycat Sonichu's made-over name) for "baring false witness against <nowiki>[Chris]</nowiki>", as if he has the authority to forgive the breaking of the Ten Commandments, ''like he's God or something.'' In addition, only five pages later [[Angelica]] condemns those who prefer [[Asperchu|Alec]]'s artwork over Chris's as "blasphemous".<ref>[http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=File:SchuComic10P66.jpg Issue 10, page 66]</ref><br />
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Further evidence of Chris's blossoming God complex comes through his answer to some of the frequently asked questions that were put to him via the [[Mailbag]], where he states that he considers Sonichu to have over one billion fans.<ref>[[Common Questions]]</ref> The only other character who can claim such a number is GodJesus (or AllahMuhammad). This mad mentality is compounded by the fact that Chris is like a God to Sonichu; this means that his opinion of himself is that of a God's God. Or maybe a [[Christopher's name change|God's bear]]. Chris moves in mysterious ways.<br />
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{{quote|as a Goddess Mysef[sic], I am unable to worship in churches|Chris, June 2019<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris says, according to Jesus, dimensional merge will be finished soon]]</ref>}}<br />
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It was under the [[Idea Guys]]'s manipulation that Chris's gathering apotheosis came to a head. [[File:Chris depicts reality and fiction blending.jpg|thumb|200px|Chris depicting how he came to share his body with a video game goddess.]]<br />
In November 2017, Chris became obsessed with [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]], a video game/anime series. He declared a belief in body-sharing with a goddess character (who represents the Sega Dreamcast in the series) by consulting with [[Magi-Chan]], then [[Chris and money|leaving his Dreamcast console powered on for 24 hours]] in order to focus his own psychic power onto it and pull the goddess into his body. Since then, Chris has come to believe that he's actually a goddess to the Sonichu universe.<br />
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== Doctrines of CWCianity ==<br />
[[File:BarneySatanism.jpeg|thumb|Chris addresses a theological dispute.]]<br />
Chris's convictions (not [[Chris and the law|that kind]]) are a confused tangle, ever shifting as [[weens]] twist his malleable perception of reality and his mental state continues to deteriorate. The below seeks to describe Chris's contemporary beliefs as accurately as possible, though information is subject to change in light of new revelations at at any time. Chris has hesitated to describe his beliefs as a religion. On 13 [[April 2018]], Chris claimed in a Twitter post that he no longer follows a religion, yet he is neither "atheist" nor "satanist", and over a year later would describe what follows as "a belief and faith system, not a religion".<ref>[[Believe in the OCs and Deities!]]</ref> <br />
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Critical to Chris's newfound religion is that he believes that he is sharing his body with a clone of the CPU Goddess Uzume Tennouboshi. Naming the clone that resides within his body as "Orange Spiral Seal", Chris believes that he has "the powers of the four main Goddesses, as well as [his] own powers." In a way, this is a bizarre continuation of his classic [[Love Quest]]. Not only does he believe that he can create a new CPU Goddess From The Ground-Up, but that, with the CPU, he will bring [[Crystal]] into reality and create her as a CPU Goddess, saying that is something that GodJesus would never grant to him. Chris's religion has little in the way of ethics, but he [[August 2019 social media posts#No Pizza Time for Chris|has indicated]] that he believes in the Hindu concept of ''karma'', administered by himself, as an instrument of his vengeance against the [[jerkops]] who tormented him in years past.<br />
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=== Pantheon ===<br />
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In [[August 2016 Facebook posts#Goddess Emanuelle|August 2016]], Chris revealed that he thinks of God as a goddess. Chris has long considered [[gal-pal|women]] to be good and [[jerks|men]] to be evil, and since Chris does not want to think of himself or God as evil, he simply swapped the genders in his mind, making [[Tomgirl]] Christine and Goddess Emmanuelle.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Ben_Saint_-_Chatting_with_Chris-Chan</ref> During a conversation with [[Joshua Wise]], Chris revealed that he had forsaken Christianity altogether, believing instead in the CPU Goddesses from the anime ''Hyperdimension Neptunia''.<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]</ref><br />
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Chris's view of God's nature, is [[naïve]] and even childish. He has used the fandom jargon acronym <abbr title="Original character">''OC''</abbr> as a rough [[CWC-ism]] synonym for ''god'', and uses this broad category to include Christ, men respected but not worshipped in their own separate traditions like the Buddha, ancient pagan gods such as Zeus, the ''Neptunia'' CPU goddesses and other anime characters, himself and his viewers and lazy [[My Little Pony|ponysonas]]. He is extremely syncretic, believing all of these, including the latter categories of clearly fictional characters intended and universally understood as such, to be real and divine. Monotheism, the cornerstone of Christendom that cannot be compromised, was apparently never assimilated into Chris's thought processes, allowing him to continue regard Christ as ''a'' god. He claims to converse with, and be friends with, Jesus and ''several other deities''. Nonetheless, Chris does not worship literally everybody: in a 2019 Twitter post, he was alarmed by [[Jacob Sockness]]'s apparent Satanism, saying that "no one should ever worship [[Beel|Satan]]."<ref>[[:File:BarneySatanism.jpeg]]</ref> <br />
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=== Worship ===<br />
As late as [[August 2017]], Chris could be seen in a normal church, albeit irreverently wearing his [[unicorn cosplay]]. However, he has since stopped attending, believing that he is "unable to worship Jesus or any of the other deities" on virtue of being a goddess himself. In [[Believe in the OCs and Deities]], Chris appeals to his viewers to send positive thoughts to fictional characters, as though through telepathy, perhaps indicating that he believes divine power requires worship and oblations. (Implicit in this is Chris's long-standing secular belief that he has hundreds of millions of earnest followers across the globe.) <br />
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On 22 December 2018, in a long rant on Twitter about the [[Dimensional Merge Announcements|Merge]] (see the next section), Chris encouraged his audience to pray to him:<br />
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{{quote|I encourage Everyone to Keep Faith, and Pray to the CPUs, y’all may pray to me as well.|Chris, blaspheming<ref>[[December 2018 social media posts]]</ref>}}<br />
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He has made several such appeals in months since.<br />
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=== Afterlife and eschatology ===<br />
Under the [[Idea Guys]]'s lingering influence, Chris believes that departed souls go to [[C-197]], the fictional universe that includes [[CWCville]], other [[Night Star|misbegotten OCs]] and various [[Chris and copyright|media franchises' universes]], which he believes objectively exist. He teaches that, upon death, one may merge with one's [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]] counterpart there. Among those who have been depicted in their Sonichu form on the other side include disastrous German chancellor [[Nombie-zazis|Adolf Hitler]], serial killer and rapist [[wikipedia:Ted Bundy|Ted Bundy]] and Chris's late father, [[Bob Chandler]]. Only the truly wicked, such as [[Liquid Chris]], are denied this in the hereafter: Satan instead burns their bodies in 'hell's lava pool', purges them of their memories and sends their oblivious souls to be reincarnated.<ref>[[:File:Ibachandlercroppedsmaller.jpg|Solid Chris exhibits Liquid's fate, 2016]]</ref> <br />
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Since the autumn of [[2018]], Chris has taught that we are living in the latter days. From a mixture of off-hand comments by comic artists and several [[weens]] foddering him with misinformation and dumb inside jokes, Chris thinks that beginning in [[November 2018]], the real world (or 'Dimension 1218', as he calls it) is in the process of combining with C-197, in what he calls the [[Dimensional Merge]]. Chris has attributed miscellaneous events past and present, real and fictional, ranging from tragedies like the [[Twin Falling Towers|World Trade Centre's destruction]] to salad recalls,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5519293 Chris attributes the WTC attacks to the Merge, 28 October 2019]</ref> to the impending Merge. Originally projected to be complete before [[January 2019|New Year's 2019]], Chris maintains still that the Merge is just about the corner. Chris foretells massive destruction heralding the Merge that will result in the deaths of about half the world's population, as well as half of the fictional characters from C-197. [[Chris and his Ego|Naturally]], Chris, being the goddess in charge of managing this brouhaha, will be spared: everyone else must take their chances. Survivors will be able to enjoy the company of their favorite cartoon characters in the flesh, as well as their deceased relatives transformed into Electric Hedgehog Pokémon.<br />
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=== Mysticism and sorcery ===<br />
{{quote|The spirit of Patti will have his soul for dinner tonight! She will be haunting your nightmares, Mr. Leary.|Chris, [[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke]]}}<br />
{{quote|1) "Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha" - Placing Bad Luck and Extreme Misfortune on all of those who give me grief or hate.<br> 2) "Forgiveness Blessing" - Cures all ailments of virus or physical qualities.<br> 3) "Hono" - Makes Gays, regardless of gender, become Straight; NEVER to be gay EVER Again.<br> 4) "Peaceful Teaching" - Quells all disputes and disagreements within a 1000 mile radius, and turns all weaponry into dust.<br> 5) "Come to me, my Women" - Locates and attracts 18 to 30-year old single women within a 5-mile radius.|Chris's terrifyingly insane list of "spells", [[Mailbag 23#Chris and the dark arts|Mailbag 23]]}}<br />
{{quote|I pray the soul of my father gives you all nightmares|Chris on using the spirits of the dead<ref>April 2012 Facebook posts</ref>}}<br />
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[[Image:Ickeriss medallions.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The Medallions serve as Chris's connection to the spirit realm.]]<br />
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Chris's beliefs and behaviors, even when he was still a professed Christian, tend towards a shamanistic mindset, where God is a force to be controlled and the universe can be influenced by various mystic rituals. In Chris's case, he seems to believe that his tirades and tantrums will somehow affect the trolls who torment him. His attacks on the [[Clown Doll]], for instance, are a metaphorical threat, but also suggest an attempt at somehow literally harming the trolls through [[Wikipedia:sympathetic magic|sympathetic magic]], like a voodoo doll. He views his revenge against his enemies in the comic or in ''[[Soul Calibur|Soul Calibur III]]'' as being equivalent to actual revenge, rather than simply venting.<br />
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The world of [[CWCville]] is also a spirit realm, where Chris is almighty and can create and shape it as he pleases due to his power of "creativity". It exists outside, but parallel, to the real world, and sometimes Chris seems to honestly believe that it's a real place, even if it's just imaginary. The idea of this spirit realm became more valid when, in a [[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke|video]], Chris claimed that the soul of his [[Patti Chandler|dead dog]] (now [[Patti-Chan|living in CWCville]]) would devour Alec Benson Leary's soul and haunt his [[dreams]].<br />
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While Chris has used the [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha]] in reality, he never took it too seriously, at least until he used it on [[Liquid Chris]] in a video. With the "kidnapping" of Liquid, he then realized that he had "the power" really to curse people. He also developed a new ability to bless people via the [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha Retraction|Forgiveness Blessings]] skill. He honestly seems to believe that these powers are real, even stating in one video that if it works, then he knows he has "the power." GaoGaiGar fans then promptly wanted to hit Chris for his abuse of [[Wikipedia:The_King_of_Braves_GaoGaiGar_glossary#.22THE_POWER.22_and_Jupiter-X|ZA POWER]]. Chris later stated in a music video that if people antagonize him, they will be cursed, but if you're TRUE and HONEST, you will receive blessings.<br />
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[[Image:thoushaltnotsufferacwctolive.JPG|thumb|left||Thou shalt not suffer a CWC to live.]]<br />
Chris's sorcery was among his more egregious behaviours that were not merely atypical of a Christian, but in fact explicitly proscribed by his faith. [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=galatians%205:19-20&version=KJV Galatians 5:19-20] lists witchcraft as one of the more blatant acts of sin, and [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+22%3A18&version=KJV Exodus 22:18] commands "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". That's right, there's a Biblical mandate for Chris's death. Alec Benson Leary, in one of his [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 8|phone calls]] with Chris, attempted to point out the thoroughly un-Christian nature of Chris's dabbling in black magic, but his reasoning appeared to have little effect. Of course, his magical practises have only become even more blatant since proclaiming himself a CPU goddess, including threatening trolls on social media with supernatural retribution, meted out by himself.<br />
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== Historical beliefs ==<br />
{{quote|And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all [[Jacob Sockness|unrighteousness]], [[BlueSpike|fornication]], [[Twin Falling Towers|wickedness]], [[Kacey|covetousness]], [[Don't Mess With Me|maliciousness]]; full of [[Infinitely high boyfriend factor|envy]], [[Death threats|murder]], [[Mass debating|debate]], [[List of Chris's lies|deceit]], [[Chris and anger|malignity]]; whisperers, [[Autism Tutorial Extra|backbiters]], haters of God, [[Aspergers (CWCipedia article)|despiteful]], [[Chris and his Ego|proud]], [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|boasters]], inventors of [[Sonichu|evil things]], [[Bob Chandler|disobedient to parents]], [[Naïve|without understanding]], covenantbreakers, [[Hanky-panky|without natural affection]], [[Chris and remorse|implacable]], [[Sonichu Special 4|unmerciful]]: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which [[For Julie's Eyes Only|commit such things are worthy of death]], not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.|Romans 1:28-32, on Chris}}<br />
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[[Image:CHRISjesuss.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Program from Chris's baptism.]]<br />
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The first church Chris and his parents are known to have attended is a Korean Presbyterian church at Chesterfield County.<ref>[[Church audio#00:18:10 - Seth MacFarlane & The Bible]]; [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript#Eating spaghetti and conversing (0:36:49–0:44:46)]]</ref> Chris would later on attend [[Grace Baptist Church]], a small congregation in [[Charlottesville]] that launched in [[2000]].<ref>http://cvilletomorrow.typepad.com/charlottesville_tomorrow_/2007/12/grace_baptist.html</ref> In [[2008]] he was, under [[Nudes|mysterious circumstances]], forced to leave that community, at which time he began attending [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]. Although Chris traditionally identified himself as Methodist and so did his [[Bob Chandler|father]], his [[Barbara Chandler|mother]] identifies herself as a Presbyterian.<ref>[[Regina e-mails#Chris rambles like a motherfucker]]</ref><br />
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"Wesley Mem" is located near the [[University of Virginia]] and has an unusually liberal theology; the common conclusion among [[trolls]] is that congregations more in line with Chris's intolerance of [[homos]] are equally intolerant of ''him'', so he had to come here. The doctrinal differences between the [[Wikipedia:Southern Baptist|Southern Baptist]] and Methodist denominations are probably too subtle for Chris to concern himself with, and he likely does not spiritually identify with any particular denomination of Christianity beyond simply being Protestant, or even simply Christian.<br />
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===Concept of Emanuelle===<br />
[[Image:CWCletter.jpg|thumb|left|Chris invokes God and Jesus, saying they told him that [[Blanca Weiss|Blanca]] is real. Proof that God and Jesus are on the [[trolls]]' side.]]<br />
[[Image:SchuComic10P09.jpg|thumb|right|God and Jesus ('sup?) tell Chris he is meant to be with [[Ivy]].]]<br />
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Traditionally, Chris had a fundamental belief in an omnipotent, benevolent male God. He also accepted Jesus Christ as the son of God and the savior of mankind. He was reluctant to mention God without also including Jesus, perhaps out of some sense that he must stress his specifically Christian notion of God (despite other Abrahamic sects using completely different words for Him). In effect, Chris frequently referred to "God and Jesus" (or "GodJesus"<ref>[[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions]]</ref><ref>[[CWC Update 9 April 2009]]</ref>) as if they were some sort of [[wikipedia:Binitarianism|Binity]], a deviation from the mainstream Christian concept of the [[Wikipedia:Trinity|Trinity]] that his churches would regard as heretical.<br />
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Being the unparalleled study in [[Chris and his Ego|egotism]] he is, Chris seemed to view God as a more of an instrument of his own will than a supreme being to Whom he is subject. In Chris's view of God, the Almighty will overlook (or simply not care about) his misdeeds, but will become as enraged as Chris over those of others, especially when they malign Chris. Case in point, the ''fact'' that Chris cheated in the [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|PaRappa the Rapper contest]] is not nearly as important as the ''suspicion'' that [[Adam Stackhouse]] did, and Chris invoked God numerous times in his threats to Adam. <br />
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Chris believes God has a special interest in his own life, which would be consistent with Western monotheism, except that he also thinks God has nothing better to do than attend to him, and him alone. In his world-view, God's primary purpose should be to arrange events so that he is happy, and punish those who make him unhappy. This is nearly the exact opposite of Christianity which states that man is to serve God. He has been commonly observed saying things like "with God (and Jesus) on my side I will...". He often invokes the wrath of God in his [[Death threats|infantile threats]], and is oblivious to the fact that God has yet to back him up on any of them. <br />
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Much like the [[Wikipedia:Ruhollah Khomeini|Ayatollah Khomeini]], Chris attributes most of his impetus to commands given to him directly from GodJesus in [[Dreams|visions]]. “I'd say my spirit is active while I am awake, but it does more when I am at rest or sleeping,” he wrote in 2014.<ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing]]</ref> His exact beliefs concerning these prophetic dreams are difficult to pin down, but the most rational interpretation is that Chris dreams about something he'd like to do, then wakes up and decides it was God telling him to do it. In Chris's mind, each vision is simultaneously a directive to do something and proof that it will happen no matter what occurs. For instance, after Chris had a vision about fathering a [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|daughter]], he decided he was required to actively [[Love Quest|make that happen]] while also assuring himself that [[Virgin with rage|failure]] was impossible. When Chris was being accused of [[Chris and race|racism]] for insisting that he can only date white women, he justified this by arguing that his prophesied daughter must be white.<br />
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Visions from God supposedly confirmed that [[Blanca Weiss]], then [[PandaHalo]] and finally [[Ivy]] were to be the mother of [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Chris's child]], despite the fact that each of these women subsequently turned out to be [[trolls]]. This proves that God, if He exists, is either not responsible for Chris's supposedly prophetic dreams, or is having a [[Laughs Under Lucricities|laugh at his expense]], an idea which Chris may have later taken to heart.<br />
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===Afterlife===<br />
{{Quote|For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.|Ephesians 2:8-10, on the place of good deeds in the Christian faith.}}<br />
{{Quote|Like most people; our souls leave our bodies, we end up in Heaven or Hell depending on our deeds/misdeeds, and possibly Reincarnation.|Chris.<ref>[[Mailbag 30#Questions]]</ref>}} {{clear}}<br />
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While the idea of good deeds causing someone to go to Heaven and bad deeds sending them to Hell is a common one, most Protestant theology explicitly states that the salvation of one's soul is based completely on one's faith. Defying this, Chris has stated that one goes to Heaven or Hell based completely on personal actions. He thinks that he will go to heaven because he's done "[[Common Questions#1 January 2010|a lot of]] [[28 October 2011|good deeds]]". Likewise, he feels that [[homos]] are almost certainly bound to go to Hell, and need to become heterosexuals to "[[Mailbag 18#In which Chris believes he has magic powers (srsly)|better their chances of going to Heaven]]". He has also stated numerous times that he feels [[Clyde Cash|various]] [[Jack Thaddeus|trolls]] are bound for Hell for making fun of people over the Internet. He has suggested that they [[To Clyde and Jack|commit suicide]] so that they might receive their eternal punishment faster. In [[Common Questions#09 January 2010|Common Questions 9 Jan 2010]], [[Thorg]] questioned Chris for threatening damnation against his Internet adversaries:<br />
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{{quotebox|"You often attempt to scare your [[trolls]] by stating they will go to hell. Some of your trolls do not believe in hell, what do you have to say to them?"}}<br />
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To which Chris responded:<br />
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{{quote|Firstly, it is NOT a "scare tactic", [[Chris and reality|IT IS FACT]]. And second, I say "Well, Believe it or not. You are Not Dead Yet".}}<br />
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Further complicating Chris's ideas of the afterlife, he believes in ghosts, going so far as to claim that he might have seen one.<ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing]]</ref><br />
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In 2013, Chris commented that he had considered suicide, but "The only reasons I don't do it are my mother and my dogs, and that premature death leaves one in Limbo."<ref>[[October 2013 Facebook Posts]]</ref> In reality, [[Wikipedia:Limbo|Limbo]] is, in some Roman Catholic views, a state that unbaptised infants were supposed to enter into when they died: happy, but excluded from God due to their original sin. [[Wikipedia:Religious views on suicide|Christian views on suicide]] and the fate of suicides in the afterlife is highly varied. His belief that suicide leads one to Limbo may stem from the ''[[South Park]]'' episode "[[Wikipedia:Death (South Park)|Death]]", in which it is found that the grandfather of a minor character is spending eternity in limbo for having his grandson euthanize him.<br />
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In the eulogy Chris made for [[Patti Chandler|Patti]], he wrote that "[Patti] has departed from our world here on earth to a doggy heaven [...] she will run free and play with all the other dogs who are already having fun up [in doggy heaven]."<ref>[[Chris emails 2004-2006#September 2006]]</ref> This suggests that Chris believes that animals (or at least dogs) have an afterlife.<br />
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=== Reincarnation ===<br />
Chris has said that he's open to the idea of reincarnation, common in Hinduism and other Eastern religions. In 2009 he stated flatly that he believed in the concept,<ref>[[Mailbag 21#Chris gets a call from The Doctor]]</ref> but in 2014 he seemed more uncertain, writing “It is possible, but I'm not sure.”<ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing]]</ref>. He has yet to offer any criteria for what might cause someone to be reincarnated. While reincarnation was and to some extent is still embraced by a few Christian sects, Chris has nothing to do with them and seems to have lifted the notion from [[anime|somewhere else]].<br />
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Chris has suggested that he is himself a reincarnation of various people. In [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'']], Chris's [[Comic Chris|fictional counterpart]] is the reincarnation of the [[ancient leader of the Cherokee Clan]], though he does not appear to believe this about himself in real life. However, during the epilogue of [[Sonichu_12#Episode_26:_Prideful|''Sonichu'' Episode 26]], Chris mentions a real-world dream in which he discovered he had been a (true and honest) [[Homos|lesbian]] hippie who attended [[Wikipedia:Woodstock|Woodstock]] in a recent past life. He credits this dream with his realization that he is a "female soul" and decision to identify as a transsexual as opposed to a [[Tomgirl|cross-dresser]], further calling the psychological validity of his gender identity into question. Besides his own reincarnation, Chris's explanation of [[Liquid_Chris#In_the_comic|what happened to Liquid Chris]] in the ''Sonichu'' canon mentions Liquid's soul being cleared of all memory of previous incarnations before being reincarnated, as what Chris considers an ironic punishment for someone who dared impersonate him.<br />
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=== Sin ===<br />
{{quote|But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you...|Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:44}}<br />
{{quote|I PRAY TO GOD AND JESUS TO [[Death threats|KILL]] [[Jason Kendrick Howell|JASON KENDRICK HOWELL]]|Chris, [[Sonichu Girls]] Forum}}<br />
{{quote|HAVE A GOD DAMN HEART ATTACK RIGHT NOW, THIS VERY MOMENT YOU READ THIS MESSAGE, YOU GOD DAMN BITCHING WHORE!|E-mail from Chris to [[Vivian Gee|Vivian]]}}<br />
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[[File:John Asperchu.JPG|thumb|right|200px|Take note, Chris.]]<br />
Chris's understanding of Christian theology is extremely limited, and he does not seem to know anything about the Bible (although he apparently owns a copy of the New International Version). His hatred of the homos had nothing to do with the prohibition of sodomy in the Old Testament, which he was unaware of until he heard about it from ''[[Family Guy]]''. His [[Fapcup|aversion to "spilling his seed"]] and his [[recycling|dedication to the unborn]] have absolutely no basis in Biblical passages condemning sexual immorality and abortion. Other than vehemently opposing [[homos]], [[trolls]] and [[jerkop]]s, Chris seems to have little notion about the nature of sin and evil except that people who do things he doesn't like should go to Hell. This is completely at odds with the part of Christian philosophy that states all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and anyone who repents his sins will be redeemed.<br />
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Chris believed that if he confesses his sins to GodJesus he will be forgiven. Private confessions directly to God are not uncommon in Protestantism, but generally it's assumed that the confessor is doing so out of true [[Chris and remorse|remorse]] and genuinely to atone for mistakes. However, Chris abuses the purpose of confession so that he can commit whatever wrongs he wants and then wipe the slate clean with his "confession." For example, Chris made [[To Clyde and Jack|a video]] in which he suggested that [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Jack Thaddeus]] commit suicide so that they can burn in Hell forever. He later drew them doing just that in [[Sonichu (comic)|his comic]]. Just one day after the comic appearance, Chris answered a fan letter asking why he had been wishing suicide upon them, and pointing out that such a wish conflicts with his Christian beliefs. Chris responded that he had "confessed of that to God and Jesus, and they[sic] have forgiven [him] on that."<ref>[[Mailbag 33#Chris demanded suicide under "reasonable hatred"]]</ref> One of two things happened: either Chris wished for their deaths in the video, asked for forgiveness, then gleefully drew it happening afterward anyway, or he waited until he'd finally got done saying his piece, then conveniently offered up his confession right after getting everything out of his system. Either way, such a confession is highly disingenuous.<br />
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When Chris gave in to temptation and cybered with [[Vanessa Hudgens]] in violation of his monogamous relationship with [[Ivy]], Chris made [[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions|a big production]] out of confessing his sin and seeking forgiveness. This suggests that he previously had little to no experience with the idea of repenting sins before God.<br />
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Chris clearly does not follow the Christian concept of the seven deadly sins, as he commits [[death threats|wrath]], [[Liquid Chris|envy]], [[obesity|gluttony]], [[monthly tugboat|sloth]], [[Chris and money|greed]], [[virgin with rage|lust]] and [[Chris and his Ego|pride]] constantly.<br />
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=== Forgiveness ===<br />
[[Image:SonichuRosechuReligious.jpg|thumb|right|Sonichu and Rosechu recall Joseph's story of forgiveness immediately prior to Rosechu brutally injuring and sexually assaulting [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] in vengeance for [[Pickle|comparatively innocuous actions]].]]<br />
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A major tenet in most any religion you can think of is the act of forgiveness. Unfortunately for Chris, he has [[Autism|no idea of what forgiveness really is]], and will often hold grudges against [[Clyde Cash|anybody]] [[Michael Snyder|he]] feels has wronged him, [[Greene County Conspiracy|sometimes even for years]]. While some may argue that he did show [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha_Retraction|forgiveness]] in a few of his videos, even more will argue that such things were done either under an [[China|ulterior motive]] or is meaningless as he goes on to curse and scream at them later on.<br />
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[[This is how the Trial went|During his trial]] on July 10th, 2012, it was discovered that Michael Snyder made an honorable plea that Chris be shown leniency, as a felony was a life-changing event that could really harm Chris in the long run. This comes despite Chris [[The GAMe PLACe#Chris's Attitude at the GAMe PLACe|scaring his customers away]], ''(while he was still allowed in the store)'', [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean#Video|shouting racist slurs at him]], [[Autism Tutorial Part 3|threatening to set fire to his business]], and [[28 October 2011|injuring him with his car]]. This was probably the most extraordinary form of forgiveness that anyone has ever shown towards Chris, even after the latter's horrible actions. Chris's show of gratitude was to go against all common sense and commit ''public slander'' in a court of law:<br />
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{{quote|I don't think that [[Michael Snyder|thieving liar]] deserves a [[Monthly tugboat|red cent]]!|Chris, [[This is how the Trial went]]}}<br />
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However, Chris has on occasion shown some capacity to genuinely forgive and move on, as shown at [[MAGfest]] where he was seen making up with [[Adam Stackhouse]] (albeit after 11 years). Such forgiveness has not been extended to the [[jerkops]], however.<br />
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=== Apostasy ===<br />
For years before the [[Idea Guys]] seized the opportunity to infuse patent absurdities into Chris's mind, Chris appeared to have become somewhat disenchanted with God. Traditional theology has long dealt with the ''problem of evil'' in books Chris is unlikely to read any time soon. Despite Chris's strong belief that GodJesus was backing him up on his [[Love Quest]], God has nevertheless imparted upon him such [[stress]] and trolling. He seemed to believe that the way prayer should work is the same way a little kid learns to get what they want: by saying "please." To Chris, prayer was apparently like ordering a pizza: as long as you pray for something, it'll show up for you exactly how you ordered it. Since Chris hasn't gotten exactly what he has prayed for, the fault must lie with God. In a farewell [[Other documents#Epistle to the Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|letter]] meant for his fellow parishioners at Wesley Memorial, he wrote that "God sees fit for some (hate-filled) reason to continue to curse me as a jinx."<br />
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On 7 September 2013, Chris cursed God's name on [[Facebook]] after a run in with a [[Jerkop]]:<br />
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God is giving me the Middle Finger yet again! I backed up and scratched a car in El Agave Lot! And she's a damn Smoker! Now the damn Jerkop is giving me a hard time, because I am screaming up at Freaking Emanuel God! I want God to just kill me Now if he is going to keep giving me middle fingers and a damned difficult life!!!}}<br />
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He explained the reasons for his disillusionment in a [[May 2013]] letter to [[Kim Wilson|Kim]]:<br />
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Hey, Kim. I have just read over some of the webpage Phil relayed to me. I must admit, and Amy is welcome to read this as well, it took me by surprise seeing the words "Magick" and "Pagan" in this religion(?).<br />
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I like magic(k). I have fully accepted Jesus as my savior. And my mother, father, and what I've hear on television, all have informed me about heaven, hell, that the best way to live is as one does without much regret or with moderate acceptance and happiness. And that "God" is within all of us, as energy and direction. And in the end, we all believe in the same God(ess). Yet also, if God is supposed to love us all, why does he let me continue to have a Lot of downs in my life? I often feel temptation towards destroying the Lego Minifigure I have made in an image of God, or otherwise just torturing it. I admit, I am not perfect.<br />
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So, all things considered, Amy, I will be most willing to try your way on, and see how I feel fully about it after. The way I figure it, at least I can still go to my church regardless. :)}}<br />
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Soon thereafter, inspired by ''[[Wikipedia:Futurama|Futurama]]'', he seemed to divorce himself from a Christian conception of God altogether, choosing to believe in a rather capricious, relativistic deity: <br />
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{{quote|The Higher Force above us is Always Messing with each of our individual minds every day, rather each of you call him God, Emanuelle, Zeus, Buudah, or even the individual Destiny of your own. I am Not an Atheist, because I Sincerely Believe in the Higher Force of Above Us, even Jesus may be the Higher Force's Son. But every religion will have you believing in the One Same Higher Force. Right Or Wrong, It is truly set up to each Individual Perception of Every Individual Soul among us the Billions of People on this Big Blue Marble among Marbles in the Universe.|Chris on Facebook, August 2014.<ref>[[August 2014 Facebook Posts#tl;dr]]</ref>}}<br />
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==Chris and other faiths==<br />
Given his sheltered existence in the heart of the suburban American South, Chris probably hasn't had much direct exposure to anything but mainstream brands of Protestantism. When his "fans" asked him for his feelings on other religions during an [[IRC (28 December 2008)|IRC chat]], he glossed over the question and simply reiterated his own unthinking statement of faith. At other times, his comments have been scattered and inconsistent.<br />
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===Other Christian denominations===<br />
Chris has no connection to Catholicism, which he seems to regard as a benign but alien practice. In his comics, he assigns it to a minor character, [[Angelica Rosechu]], whose faith doesn't practically differentiate her from the rest of the inhabitants of [[CWCville]] - she's still as much of a slut as the rest of her [[Rosechu (species)|species]]. Through Angelica, it is obvious that Chris knows almost nothing about Catholicism and seems to think it's just a variety of Protestantism with nuns - he refers to Catholic priests as [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Angelica_Rosechu|"pastors"] and almost certainly doesn't know the Catholic Bible is different from the one generally used by Protestants. Also, Angelica's home congregation is called "Samuel Memorial United Christian Church," which is about the least likely name for a Roman Catholic church Chris could have come up with. He does, at least, realise that Catholicism is a form of Christianity, although he probably has no idea what its relationship to Protestantism is.<br />
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[[PandaHalo]]'s persona was designed to be devoutly Roman Catholic specifically to confound Chris's desire for pre-marital sex with contraception. Faced with this challenge, Chris tried to argue that God really does allows premarital sex because his pastor said so (ironically, deference to a cleric on ethical matters is far more typical for Catholics than Protestants). It didn't even occur to Chris that what his pastor said to him wouldn't apply to a Catholic, because Chris is incapable of seeing things from perspectives besides his own.<br />
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Given that he takes his own religion à la carte, Chris is likely unaware of most of the differences between the sects of Protestantism, and the relationship between Protestantism and other kinds of Christianity. He has never been pressed for comment on Eastern variants of Christianity, such as the Eastern Orthodox church, and it is uncertain what he thinks of these sects, or if he's even aware of their existence.<br />
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===Other religions===<br />
''See also: [[Chris and race#Jews|Chris and race]]''<br />
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Most of Chris's opinions towards non-Christian faiths have been culled from ''[[South Park]]'' and other television series. For example, on 28 [[December 2009]], Chris wrote a blog entry telling [[Jack Thaddeus]] to get out of the closet and "Go Into F***ing Scientology".<ref>[[CWC Blog]]</ref> Following this comment, Chris was asked to elaborate his thoughts on Scientology; he said that he neither agrees with it nor disapproves of it.<ref>[[Mailbag 52#Master of diplomacy at work|Mailbag 52]]</ref> <br />
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"[[A Sonichu and Rosechu Christmas Story]], and [[Sonichu 11]]" reveal that Chris has a somewhat basic awareness of [[Wikipedia:Judaism|Judaism]], probably picked up from watching ''[[South Park]]''. He appears to not understand that Jews and [[Wikipedia:Buddhism|Buddhists]] don't celebrate [[Christmas]], at least not the religious aspects of it. However, in the way he wrote it, it is unknown if he's implying that Christians, [[Hanukkah|Jews]] and [[Christmas#Jolly Buddah (sic)|Buddhists]] go to the same place of worship, or if he's saying they go to separate places of worship and calls them "churches" because his vocabulary is heavily lacking.<ref>In fact, in [[BlueSpike Skype Logs 13#09-02-27|one chat]] Chris has referred to what was most likely a synagogue as a "Jewich [sic] Church".</ref> In [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean]], Chris uses "Jew" as an insult (which he also got from ''South Park'') and states he is "just throwing it out there" that he thinks Snyder is Jewish; he incidentally subscribes to his father's view that Snyder, [[Megan Schroeder]] and others were secretly directing the [[trolls]] to ruin Chris's life. [[Some Favored Comedians]] is a thinly-veiled furious backpedaling attempt in which he rambles on and on about how he respects Jewish comedians like [[Seinfeld|Jerry Seinfeld]].<br />
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Chris has described "[[Wikipedia:Mormonism|Mormans]]" [sic] as not being datable.<ref>[[MySpace messages]]</ref> He has never explained why, but he may have learned through [[Anna McLerran]] that Mormons typically don't date non-Mormons. While it is not clear how much Chris knows about [[:wikipedia:Unitarianism|Unitarianism]] (likely not a lot), he is not hostile toward that sect; [[Jackie]] identified herself as a Unitarian,<ref>[[Jackie#Profile]]</ref> and Chris was not bothered by this (conceivably because he didn't know what it was).<ref>[[Jackie E-mails]]</ref><br />
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In a CWCipedia [[Chris-Chan (CWCipedia)#Chris-Chan the Moralf**|article]], he hints at a hatred of Islam. Although the article primarily exists to deny various accusations trolls have made about him, he does not deny being a "prolific hater of all things not Christian".<ref>[[Chris-Chan (CWCipedia)]]</ref> In all likelihood he knows nothing about Islam or the Koran, and is not known to have ever publicly commented on the religion directly. Besides using the popular Western image of the [[Buddha belly|fat Buddha]] (actually a [[China|Chinese]] monk) and mentioning "Buddha" a few times, Chris has never shown any knowledge of oriental religions, let alone any opinion of them. Indeed, [[Vivian Gee]]'s belief in [[Wikipedia:Taoism|Taoism]] seemed to be a concept he couldn't process, and even seemed to make him uneasy.<ref>[[Vivitheg's AIM chat]]</ref><br />
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===Atheism===<br />
{{quote|But... I would certainly not want to be an atheist, 'cause if I don't have [[GodJesus|God or Jesus]] at my- by my side, I would be more lost than I was considerably beforehand! Atheists are the [[Beel|Devil]]'s spawning, as it would seem! ...And I would certainly would not want to be amrong- amongst them when they are run out of town with the pitchforks and the [[Chris and English|hace]] and the fire! As a believer... I would either be a [[Chris and Anger|peacem- I would more likely be a peacemaker]], but I certainly wouldn't mind being one with the pitchfork, following the crowd and pushing the atheist out of town!}}<br />
Chris's opinion of the irreligious is the most vacillating and incoherent, and incidentally one of the best documented. [[Ruckersville, VA|Unsurprisingly]], he doesn't seem to like or trust atheists, but even there, he has a hard time articulating his opinion. When Vivian asked him to explain why he dislikes them, he said, "I don't know, but I do know that they are not believers of God and Jesus."<ref>[[Vivitheg's AIM chat]]</ref> When Chris [[Exposed - Jeremy Slonwhite of Vancouver, BC Canada|exposed Thorg]], his reasoning for wanting people to troll Thorg instead of him devolve from "because he's trolling me" to "because he's an 'evil' atheist". In his [[Calling Out]] videos, Chris gave "pizza-faced atheist" as [[Thorg]]'s defining characteristic, with a heretofore unseen vitriol. Chris's half-brother [[Cole Smithey]] is also an atheist, although his opinion on this is unclear.<ref>[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref><br />
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In the [[List of OkCupid Answers|OkCupid]] answers, Chris stated that he would not date an atheist. On the other hand, [[The Wallflower]] told Chris in one of her e-mails that she had no religion,<ref>[[Wallflower E-mails]]</ref>, and as the rest of the correspondence shows, Chris was not bothered by her lack of faith and [["Damian Antaria", PLEASE, Don't Leave Me - I NEED YOU!!!|continued to pursue her]]. However, in his later, revised [[List of OkCupid Answers|OkCupid]] account, he states (to the surprise of nobody) that he would be willing to date an atheist if it meant he had a chance at some [[Chris and sex|hanky panky]]. <br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[Angelica Rosechu]]<br />
*[[Dreams]]<br />
*[[Christmas]]<br />
*[[Christian's name change|GodBear]]<br />
*[[Grace Baptist Church]]<br />
*[[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]<br />
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==External links==<br />
*[http://store.engrish.com/products/god-jesus-t-shirt Buy your own GodJesus T-shirt here]<br />
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{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
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{{quote|@ItsAllSoUgly, YOU, most of all, Do Not Need the damn Slime. You Are Better than that.|Chris, to Ben<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1183215112305479680</ref>.}}<br />
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'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist, [[troll]] and self-proclaimed '[[Dimension]]al [[Chris and religion#Doctrines of CWCianity|Prophet]] of C-197 and Hierophant to NLACakaNM'.<ref name=ween>[http://archive.fo/oeyYy#selection-129.1-129.29 Saint's Twitter, archived 8 October 2019]</ref> Though he had been interested in Chris for years, lecturing for two hours on ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' in [[2016]]<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOIauPQ5XI&t ''Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture''</ref> and [[Chris and business|commissioning]] art detailing [[Liquid Chris]]'s fate in the [[Reality Cartoon|comic world]],<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Liquid_Chris#In_the_comic</ref> he is most known for [[weening|exploiting]] Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his own comic and solicit [[Chris and money|thousands of dollars in donations]] in [[October 2019]].<ref name=financhu>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5460456 Saint appeals to followers to donate $13,000 to save his fictional characters from his plot LARPing, 14 October 2019]</ref> He would provoke him by inserting [[Night Star]], Chris's ''[[My Little Pony]]'' fan character, into his comics and role-playing with him to get him invested in the comic's plot.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris's life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Like many of Chris's on-line adversaries in [[2019]], though, Saint sometimes behaves as a [[white knight]], including [[Sonic Boom|fiery protests]] whenever somebody refuses to use Chris's [[tomgirl]] pronouns.<ref name=ween /><br />
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==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
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Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took. Meanwhile Chris also tried to play ''Endless War'', a game managed by a bot on Ben's Discord server, but was killed and became frustrated. Seeing an opportunity, Saint devoted himself to more deliberate [[weening|attacks]] against Chris, creating a section on his Discord server for that specific purpose.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5420279 Saint prepares 'to declare war' against Chris, 4 October 2019]</ref><br />
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This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 7]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Later, Chris would also return to the server and announce that he had revived himself with his [[Chris and religion#Delusions of godhood|goddess powers]] and that the bot's game was over, as Chris's comic canon had deemed it so. Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. In response to this, Ben accused Chris of committing [[A-logging|genocide]] in his revisions, depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> Seeking to contrive an incident, Saint stated on Discord that [[CWCville]] had declared war on his own fictional city, giving a [[Chris and death|death]] toll of about 70,000.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/slime9-png.960265/ Saint's incendiary Discord announcement, 5 October 2019]</ref> Chris would thus concede that there had been casualties, yet that 99% of the population of Arizona (where this fictional city was placed) had survived.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20191005234550/http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/arizona-population/ The population of Arizona in 2019 was approximately 7,000,000.]</ref> He would regard this loss of fictional life trivial.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863 Chris dismisses Ben, 4 October 2019]</ref> A week later, Chris would justify his overriding Ben's description of his own fictional universe by his superior [[PsychicPowers|psychic powers]] and ability to see into alternate [[dimensions]].<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5459801 Chris justifies his canon wars by goddesshood, 13 October 2019]</ref><br />
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[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5456252 Chris tells a random Saint supporter that his 'cleansing rains' have stopped, 12 October 2019]</ref> and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref> Later, when Saint would depict his dead characters on a special story arc in hell,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5446854 Chris complains about dead characters, 10 October 2019]|</ref> or otherwise [[Sonichu 4|diverge his plot]], Chris would [[Chris and hypocrisy|demand Saint return to drawing his comic]] instead of pursuing his role-playing.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5457455 Chris insists Ben get back to work, 14 October 2019]</ref> Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and inject their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]] into the mix, nominally to help Chris along. [[Jacob Sockness]] offered on 17 October to summon Jakoba, a demon god of his own invention, to demand even more reparations from Saint, yet Chris refused, instead accepting the [[Multidimensional White Knights]]' enlisting [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]], who was supposed to have became the king of Babylon in [[C-197]] and was rallying an army to defend Chris from the slime.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5475019 White knights present bids for Chris, 17 October 2019]</ref> Ben eventually relented, at least in part: he revived his characters that he had killed off earlier that month, using the same ''!revive'' command from his Discord server that Chris had used to declare himself resurrected. Chris approved, mentioning for [[autism|no apparent reason]] at the same time that he endorses [[United States]] 2020 [[Chris and politics|presidential candidate]] Andrew Yang.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5467553 Saint revives his characters and Chris joins the Yang Gang, 16 October 2019]</ref> <br />
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Further interactions with Ben, on Twitter as well as Discord, soon after deteriorated into continued disputes about whether or not Chris had committed fictional genocide. Accusations of ''hatred'' were common on both sides.<ref name=financhu /> Ben would try to manipulate Chris's version of events by stating his fictional city was rained upon several time, while Chris would resist such changes to his version of events being inserted. Saint's publicity stunt was however stunted by Chris's shifting [[autism|interests]], as he devoted more attention to his [[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder|trading card line]] and [[Jacob Sockness]] returned for a second round of weening after a fortnight's delay. On 19 October, Chris asserted that he had [[Chris and religion|divine mandate]] from the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] to supersede Ben's decisions about his comic.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5483895 Ben and Chris continue to argue about genocide, 19 October 2019]</ref> Unlike Alec Benson Leary before him, Ben Saint has failed to gain [[Laughs Under Lucricities]] and acclaim from onlookers, but his heavy-handed approach to [[parody]] has given him a place beside the [[Idea Guys]] and [[Multidimensional White Knights]] in Christory.<br />
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==Livestream with Chris==<br />
{{main|Ben Saint - Chatting with Chris-Chan}}<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Ibachandlercroppedsmaller.jpg|Comic page by Chris explaining the fate of [[Liquid Chris]], commissioned by Ben.<br />
Image:chriswithbensaint.png|Ben Saint with Chris at Bronycon 2019.<br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
Image:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG|Chris declares the events of Ben's comic to be canon to Sonichu.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what the MWK and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==Fan videos==<br />
{{Infobox/Fanvideo<br />
| name = Ben Saint talking about the NightStar Comic<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|2OL2rMXMp1k}}<br />
| stardate = <br />
| maker = Ben Saint<br />
| subject = <br />
| type = <br />
| info = }}<br />
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==References==<br />
<references/><br />
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{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}<br />
{{Trolls}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint_-_Chatting_with_Chris-Chan&diff=236648Ben Saint - Chatting with Chris-Chan2019-11-13T17:45:38Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
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<div>On 10 [[November 2019]], [[Ben Saint]] chatted for four hours and sixteen minutes with Chris over [[Twitch]].<br />
<br />
==Summary==<br />
A [[Kiwi Farms]] viewer summed up the chat as, "It's just talk about Ben's comics, questions about [[OC]]s and Chris screeching out inane bullshit every five minutes."<br />
<br />
Another Kiwi Farms member noted the few highlights:<br />
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{{quoteboxgreen|You guys are missing such gems as "Santa Claus IS a deity!" and "Hater haters, spudsy taters!"<br />
<br />
Now they're discussing who's the top 5 in "Pony analysis" on YouTube... wtf?<br />
<br />
Chris was asked to explain Hyperdimensional Neptunia (whatever is spelled) CPU lore... oh boy, here we go...<br />
<br />
Now they're talking politics lol<br />
<br />
Chris compared himself to a camel, as he can go a long time without masterbating lol there is some gold in here<br />
<br />
Spoke too soon. Another soy homo came on, and it's back to details about stupid shows only faggots know about<br />
<br />
Awww, Chris said when Barb dies she'll be reincarnated as a special Rosechu<br />
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"Do you know about Eastern religions, Christine?" "I know about the heads on Eastern island..."<br />
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He also said when asked if he was participating in no nut November (and had it explained to him) that since that's every month of the year for him, yes. }}<br />
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==Video==<br />
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{{Infobox/video<br />
| name = A Chat with Chris-Chan Sonichu<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|hyyoxUGhmJ8}}<br />
| stardate = 10 [[November 2018]]<br />
| subject = <br />
| style = <br />
| saga = <br />
| shirt = <br />
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{{FanChats}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint_-_Chatting_with_Chris-Chan&diff=236647Ben Saint - Chatting with Chris-Chan2019-11-13T17:43:42Z<p>Bunsteaks: /* Video */</p>
<hr />
<div>On 10 [[November 2019]], [[Ben Saint]] chatted for four hours and sixteen minutes with Chris over [[Twitch]].<br />
<br />
==Summary==<br />
A [[Kiwi Farms]] viewer summed up the chat as, "It's just talk about Ben's comics, questions about [[OC]]s and Chris screeching out inane bullshit every five minutes."<br />
<br />
Another Kiwi Farms member noted the few highlights:<br />
<br />
{{quoteboxgreen|You guys are missing such gems as "Santa Claus IS a deity!" and "Hater haters, spudsy taters!"<br />
<br />
Now they're discussing who's the top 5 in "Pony analysis" on YouTube... wtf?<br />
<br />
Chris was asked to explain Hyperdimensional Neptunia (whatever is spelled) CPU lore... oh boy, here we go...<br />
<br />
Now they're talking politics lol<br />
<br />
Chris compared himself to a camel, as he can go a long time without masterbating lol there is some gold in here<br />
<br />
Spoke too soon. Another soy homo came on, and it's back to details about stupid shows only faggots know about<br />
<br />
Awww, Chris said when Barb dies she'll be reincarnated as a special Rosechu<br />
<br />
"Do you know about Eastern religions, Christine?" "I know about the heads on Eastern island..."<br />
<br />
He also said when asked if he was participating in no nut November (and had it explained to him) that since that's every month of the year for him, yes. }}<br />
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==Video==<br />
<br />
{{Infobox/video<br />
| name = Part 1<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|hyyoxUGhmJ8}}<br />
| stardate = 10 [[November 2018]]<br />
| subject = <br />
| style = <br />
| saga = <br />
| shirt = <br />
| previous = <br />
| next = <br />
}}<br />
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{{FanChats}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235893Ben Saint2019-10-31T13:04:45Z<p>Bunsteaks: /* Chris usurps Ben's comic */</p>
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<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
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{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
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{{quote|@ItsAllSoUgly, YOU, most of all, Do Not Need the damn Slime. You Are Better than that.|Chris, to Ben<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1183215112305479680</ref>.}}<br />
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{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>YouTuber<br />
}}<br />
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'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist, [[troll]] and self-proclaimed '[[Dimension]]al [[Chris and religion#Doctrines of CWCianity|Prophet]] of C-197'.<ref name=ween>[http://archive.fo/oeyYy#selection-129.1-129.29 Saint's Twitter, archived 8 October 2019]</ref> Though he had been interested in Chris for years, lecturing for two hours on ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' in [[2016]]<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOIauPQ5XI&t ''Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture''</ref> and [[Chris and business|commissioning]] art detailing [[Liquid Chris]]'s fate in the [[Reality Cartoon|comic world]],<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Liquid_Chris#In_the_comic</ref> he is most known for [[weening|exploiting]] Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his own comic and solicit [[Chris and money|thousands of dollars in donations]] in [[October 2019]].<ref name=financhu>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5460456 Saint appeals to followers to donate $13,000 to save his fictional characters from his plot LARPing, 14 October 2019]</ref> He would provoke him by inserting [[Night Star]], Chris's ''[[My Little Pony]]'' fan character, into his comics and role-playing with him to get him invested in the comic's plot.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris's life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Like many of Chris's on-line adversaries in [[2019]], though, Saint sometimes behaves as a [[white knight]], including [[Sonic Boom|fiery protests]] whenever somebody refuses to use Chris's [[tomgirl]] pronouns.<ref name=ween /><br />
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==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
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{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
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[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
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Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took. Meanwhile Chris also tried to play ''Endless War'', a game managed by a bot on Ben's Discord server, but was killed and became frustrated. Seeing an opportunity, Saint devoted himself to more deliberate [[weening|attacks]] against Chris, creating a section on his Discord server for that specific purpose.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5420279 Saint prepares 'to declare war' against Chris, 4 October 2019]</ref><br />
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This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Later, Chris would also return to the server and announce that he had revived himself with his [[Chris and religion#Delusions of godhood|goddess powers]] and that the bot's game was over, as Chris's comic canon had deemed it so. Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. In response to this, Ben accused Chris of committing [[A-logging|genocide]] in his revisions, depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> Seeking to contrive an incident, Saint stated on Discord that [[CWCville]] had declared war on his own fictional city, giving a [[Chris and death|death]] toll of about 70,000.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/slime9-png.960265/ Saint's incendiary Discord announcement, 5 October 2019]</ref> Chris would thus concede that there had been casualties, yet that 99% of the population of Arizona (where this fictional city was placed) had survived.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20191005234550/http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/arizona-population/ The population of Arizona in 2019 was approximately 7,000,000.]</ref> He would regard this loss of fictional life trivial.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863 Chris dismisses Ben, 4 October 2019]</ref> A week later, Chris would justify his overriding Ben's description of his own fictional universe by his superior [[PsychicPowers|psychic powers]] and ability to see into alternate [[dimensions]].<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5459801 Chris justifies his canon wars by goddesshood, 13 October 2019]</ref><br />
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[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5456252 Chris tells a random Saint supporter that his 'cleansing rains' have stopped, 12 October 2019]</ref> and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref> Later, when Saint would depict his dead characters on a special story arc in hell,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5446854 Chris complains about dead characters, 10 October 2019]|</ref> or otherwise [[Sonichu 4|diverge his plot]], Chris would [[Chris and hypocrisy|demand Saint return to drawing his comic]] instead of pursuing his role-playing.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5457455 Chris insists Ben get back to work, 14 October 2019]</ref> Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and inject their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]] into the mix, nominally to help Chris along. [[Jacob Sockness]] offered on 17 October to summon Jakoba, a demon god of his own invention, to demand even more reparations from Saint, yet Chris refused, instead accepting the [[Multidimensional White Knights]]' enlisting [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]], who was supposed to have became the king of Babylon in [[C-197]] and was rallying an army to defend Chris from the slime.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5475019 White knights present bids for Chris, 17 October 2019]</ref> Ben eventually relented, at least in part: he revived his characters that he had killed off earlier that month, using the same ''!revive'' command from his Discord server that Chris had used to declare himself resurrected. Chris approved, mentioning for [[autism|no apparent reason]] at the same time that he endorses [[United States]] 2020 [[Chris and politics|presidential candidate]] Andrew Yang.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5467553 Saint revives his characters and Chris joins the Yang Gang, 16 October 2019]</ref> <br />
<br />
Further interactions with Ben, on Twitter as well as Discord, soon after deteriorated into continued disputes about whether or not Chris had committed fictional genocide. Accusations of ''hatred'' were common on both sides.<ref name=financhu /> Ben would try to manipulate Chris's version of events by stating his fictional city was rained upon several time, while Chris would resist such changes to his version of events being inserted. Saint's publicity stunt was however stunted by Chris's shifting [[autism|interests]], as he devoted more attention to his [[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder|trading card line]] and [[Jacob Sockness]] returned for a second round of weening after a fortnight's delay. On 19 October, Chris asserted that he had [[Chris and religion|divine mandate]] from the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] to supersede Ben's decisions about his comic.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5483895 Ben and Chris continue to argue about genocide, 19 October 2019]</ref> Unlike Alec Benson Leary before him, Ben Saint has failed to gain [[Laughs Under Lucricities]] and acclaim from onlookers, but his heavy-handed approach to [[parody]] has given him a place beside the [[Idea Guys]] and [[Multidimensional White Knights]] in Christory.<br />
<br />
{{#ev:youtube|2OL2rMXMp1k}}<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Ibachandlercroppedsmaller.jpg|Comic page by Chris explaining the fate of [[Liquid Chris]], commissioned by Ben.<br />
Image:chriswithbensaint.png|Ben Saint with Chris at Bronycon 2019.<br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
Image:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG|Chris declares the events of Ben's comic to be canon to Sonichu.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what the MWK and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235384Ben Saint2019-10-13T04:54:26Z<p>Bunsteaks: added info about the Liquid Chris commission</p>
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<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
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{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
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{{quote|@ItsAllSoUgly, YOU, most of all, Do Not Need the damn Slime. You Are Better than that.|Chris, to Ben<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1183215112305479680</ref>.}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOIauPQ5XI&t ''Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture''</ref> In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork drawn by Chris, detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Liquid_Chris#In_the_comic</ref><br />
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{{clear}}<br />
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==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
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[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> However, he would later concede that there had been casualties, saying that 99% of the population of Arizona had survived, putting the death toll at approximately 70,000.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20191005234550/http://worldpopulationreview.com/states/arizona-population/ The population of Arizona in 2019 was approximately 7,000,000.]</ref><br />
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[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Ibachandlercroppedsmaller.jpg|Comic page bu Chris explaining the fate of [[Liquid Chris]], commissioned by Ben.<br />
Image:chriswithbensaint.png|Ben Saint with Chris at Bronycon 2019.<br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
Image:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG|Chris declares the events of Ben's comic to be canon to Sonichu.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
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==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Liquid_Chris&diff=235383Liquid Chris2019-10-13T04:47:54Z<p>Bunsteaks: linking Ben Saint</p>
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{{infobox<br />
| title = Liquid&nbsp;Chris<br />
| image = [[Image:CChanSonichuCWC.jpg|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Christopher Morton Duckworth<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = Chris Chandler<ref>[[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!]]</ref><br>Jeff<ref>[[Exposing Jeff]]</ref><br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = [[1990]] (age {{Age|1990|01|01}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label7 = Spouse<br />
|data7 = [[Kacey]]<br />
|label8 = Siblings<br />
|data8 = SimplySpoons (brother)<br />
|label9 = Occupations<br />
|data9 = Freelance comic book artist<br>[[SHOWDOWN: The TRUE CWC Confronts The FAKE|Musician]]<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Liquid Chris''' (real name: '''Christopher Duckworth'''; born 1990) <s>claimed to be</s> is the [[TRUE and HONEST]] Christian Weston Chandler and the one and only creator of the [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]]. <br />
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==Prologue==<br />
[[June 2009]] was a busy month for [[Chris]] (henceforth '''[[Metal Gear Solid|Solid Chris]]'''), with both highs and lows. Solid was getting out of the house more and knocking back some [[Chris's Big Night Out|Long Islands]] with a new group of acquaintances. He was given the reins to his shiny new [[CWCipedia]] and had his [[YouTube]] account "CChanSonichu" compromised. Yes, he was [[Rollin' and Trollin']] indeed.<br />
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{{quote|And I'm nowadays wearing a vest and improving my image.|Solid Chris<ref name="realprotest">[[REAL Protest against the FAKE]]</ref>}}<br />
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==A challenger appears==<br />
{{protip|"Liquid Chris" was actually Christopher Duckworth, and he made no actual attempt to steal Chris's identity. It was just a comedic impersonation that Chris took too seriously. It should also be noted that Liquid tried to make it as blatantly obvious as possible in the beginning stages (i.e. stuffing a pillow in his shirt, paper cut-out medallion).}}<br />
[[Image:Torture.jpg|Liquid torturing the impostor.|thumb]]<br />
[[Image:Liquid VS Solid.png|"There's room for only one Chris, and one Mayor!" |thumb]]<br />
:''See also: [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#Antebellum|Liquid's Antebellum Videos]]''<br />
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At the end of the month a new YouTube account, [https://web.archive.org/web/20100522150728/http://www.youtube.com/user/CChanSonichuCWC http://www.youtube.com/user/CChanSonichuCWC], appeared with a simple premise: that the ''real'' Christian Weston Chandler (henceforth '''Liquid Chris''') was back online after a long absence, during which he lost his account to hackers, so all the weirdness on "CChanSonichu" was the work of hacking trolls, and he announced that he was ready to resume posting HONEST content on his new account. This new CWC posted four more videos, much of which were [[parody|parodies]] of earlier videos by Solid Chris.<br />
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{{quote|How else would I get fan art, if I was not the original creator of Sonichu?|Liquid Chris, [[CChanSonichuCWC_Videos,_June-July_2009#Update:_I_am_Still_the_Real_Christian_Weston_Chandler_Despite_LIES_AND_SLANDER._Also.2C_Some_Fan_Art|3 July 2009]]}}<br />
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Notably, Liquid Chris sported:<br />
* An official [[Sonichu medallion]] (made out of paper)<br />
* A [[Chris and fashion|striped shirt]] (brown)<br />
* [[Pedo-Glasses|A pair of rather bulky glasses which would look ridiculous on anybody else.]]<br />
* [[Obesity]] (by means of a stuffed shirt, later removed)<br />
* [[Speech impediment|A distinctive nasal voice]]<br />
* [[Autism]]<br />
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All of which, of course, made him almost [[Chris and reality|''indistinguishable'']] from Solid Chris! Solid himself made no comment, probably because he didn't notice the new videos among the chatter of all the other trolling. The alternative — that Solid just ignored them — is far too reasonable to consider.<br />
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==Ian Brandon Anderson==<br />
{{main|Ian Brandon Anderson}}<br />
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What really cranked this up to eleven was a chain of events that started with Solid Chris getting his "CChanSonichu" channel back: First, Solid posted [[CWC Calls Out Three Naïve YouTubers|a series of videos]] on 10 [[July 2009]] where he "called out" three trolls by their YouTube handles, and dropped their dox (well, dropped "supposed states of residence"). That resulted in the permanent banhammer for "CChanSonichu".<br />
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The next piece fell into place when he posted his Rollin' and Trollin' video on his new YouTube account, "[[IBAChandler]]". When it hit [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], newfags everywhere momentarily lost control of their bowels, thinking they'd been trolled by a grand master. Trolls, however, did what trolls do best: they started riffing on it. Pretty quickly, YouTube comments popped up referring to Solid as "Ian Brandon Anderson". Such was the price of success for Solid's small drop of near win in his sea of epic fail: he had delivered unto his enemies a weapon that they'd use for months.<br />
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Even then, the damage control from that episode alone would probably have kept him from noticing Liquid's videos. Until that is, Liquid raised the stakes in an attempt to get Solid's attention.<br />
<br />
==The CWCivil War==<br />
===Opening shots===<br />
[[Image:Honest-and-true.jpg|thumb|right|TRUTH and HONESTY established by the state of [[Virginia]]!]]<br />
:''See Also: [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#The CWCivil|Liquid's CWCivil War Videos]]''<br />
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The war began on 21 July, when Liquid uploaded a [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, June-July 2009#Now Selling the OFFICIAL and ORIGINAL SONICHU Merchandise of CWC, NO FAKERIES OR IMPOSTOR|video]] that reeled Solid in hook, line, and sinker, having sold Sonichu merchandise with [[Samantha Thaddeus]] at Otakon. A rebuttal was in order:<br />
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{{quotebox|DO NOT BUY from the Impostor, "<nowiki>http://www.youtube.com/user/CChanSonichuCWC CWCCChanSonichuCWC</nowiki>". HE IS CRAPPY, and [[Chris and English|his Nasal Voice]] is JUST DOWNRIGHT AWFUL.<br />
<br />
Also, if I wanted to buy PAPER, I'd go to [[Wal-Mart]] and buy 500 FULL 8.5 X 11 Sheets for about 5 dollars!<br />
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HIS CHURCH? HE MUST LIVE IN FRICKIN' OHIO with "[[Julie]]"; [[Chris and hypocrisy|NEVER DRIVES GREATER THAN 7 Hours]] JUST TO EVEN VISIT [[Wesley Memorial]] in [[VIRGINIA]].<br />
<br />
F*** HIM TO HELL!<ref name="realprotest"/>}}<br />
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Solid also took time out from his busy schedule to post threats on Liquid's YouTube comments:<br />
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{{quotebox|'''The Final Showdown'''<br />
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Hey, DUMBASS! [[Chris and his ego|YOU WISH YOU WERE ME]]! I would say YOU are Stuck... IN MINUS-SECOND-GEAR!<br />
<br />
I am Calling YOU OUT!<br />
<br />
[[14 Branchland Ct.]] [[Ruckersville]], VA<br />
BEFORE August 2, 2009.<br />
If you really WANT to be me, then Come Face Me.<br />
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oh, BTW, YOUR [[Speech impediment|NASAL VOICE]] IS MORE GRATING THAN THE WORD "[[Naive|NAIVE]]", and METAL NAILS ON THE CHALKBOARD.<br />
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But "Naive" is even WORSE than NAILS.<br />
<br />
You are a Nerd and a Whimp!<br />
<br />
Have a good day.<br><br />
Christopher Christian Weston Chandler<ref name="realprotest"/>}}<br />
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Even at this point, Solid Chris still may have let this all go, as he was simultaneously getting blackmailed by [[Jack Thaddeus]], who was holding his [[PSN]] account to ransom. But as that wound down, Liquid caught Solid's eye again, by picking up on the Ian Brandon Anderson meme:<br />
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{{quotebox|Hello, again, Loyal Fans,<br />
<br />
It is I again, Christian Weston Chandler. NOT Christopher Christian Weston Chandler as EVERYONE KNOWS I Changed my name FROM Christopher to Christian (PS: That Troll, as Some have now Informed Me, his Real Name is IAN BRANDON ANDERSON). Anyway, I am Working Very Hard on Sonichu 9 and Things may be Progressing Heavily with my new TRUE [[Gal-Pal]] [[Kacey]] and I. Also, Expect more Announcements of this Developing Caliber in the Future.<br />
<br />
Stay True.<br />
<br />
CWC<ref>[[CChanSonichuCWC_Videos,_June-July_2009#Christian_Weston_Chandler.27s_EXCITING_ANNOUNCEMENT_of_SONICHU_and_Addressing_Things.| Christian Weston Chandler's EXCITING ANNOUNCEMENT of SONICHU and Addressing Things.]]</ref>}}<br />
<br />
===The battleground===<br />
<br />
===="More Than A Feeling"====<br />
[[Image:CWCvsIanGuitar.jpg|thumb|The REAL Chris is not only cute, he can play the guitar!]]<br />
:''See Also: [[CWC More Than A Feeling]]''<br />
:''See Also: [[CChanSonichuCWC_Videos,_June-July_2009#More_Than_A_Feeling_THE_TRUE_VERSION_by_Christian_Weston_Chandler_.28CWC.29|More Than A Feeling THE TRUE VERSION by Christian Weston Chandler (CWC)]]<br />
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For whatever reason, Solid dug up an old video of himself failing at ''Guitar Hero'' and dumped it online. Liquid shot back with a TRUE and HONEST rendition on a real guitar.<br />
<br />
====Spanish Challenge====<br />
[[Image:Cestnepas.jpg|thumb|Ceci n'est pas une Chris.]]<br />
:''Main Article: [[CWC Update 29 July 2009]]''<br />
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More [[I Am The TRUE, Original CCWC|video rage]] followed before Solid attempted a cunning plan:<br />
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{{quote|También. Mi presente. Responde en español bueño. ¿Si no que bueño? Tu no eres el verdad. Tu eres el impostor.|Solid Chris, ''[[CWC Update 29 July 2009]]''}}<br />
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The plan backfired when [[CWC Update 29 July 2009#Liquid's_response|Liquid responded more fluently in Spanish, French, German, and Japanese]].<br />
<br />
====''SingStar'' Challenge====<br />
[[Image:Tgtdfw4.jpg|thumb|Only one clear choice, choosing the TRUE and HONEST Chris.]]<br />
{{Main|SingStar Challenge}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|Alright, Christian, Mr. Brown-Striped Impostor, since you have been able to accept and complete my question challenges, it is time to issue a new challenge.|Solid Chris, [[SingStar Challenge|"''SingStar'' Challenge"]]}}<br />
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And then he shaved his goatee off. Dry. With a safety razor.<br />
<br />
As expected, the contest went to Liquid and Solid was a sore loser about it. Liquid had a tally of four votes in favor, two against. He then took his leave from the competition, after announcing a number of personal coups:<br />
* That he'd finally found a true sweetheart, [[Kacey]].<br />
* That he'd landed a job as a Production Manager and Game Designer at [[Microsoft]] for a ''Sonichu'' game for all consoles.<br />
* That Dark Horse Comics would be publishing his [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' comics]], making him even more filthy rich, with the opening of the CWCStore.<br />
<br />
And finally, that he had decided to stop battling the Solid, and move out of his parents' house to live in Redmond, Seattle, to continue his happy, successful life.<br />
<br />
==="SHOWDOWN"===<br />
{{Main|SHOWDOWN: The TRUE CWC Confronts The FAKE}}<br />
<br />
{{Quote|You’re breaking my balls here.|Solid, [[SHOWDOWN|"SHOWDOWN"]]}}<br />
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On 9 [[August 2009]], Liquid called Solid up and confronted him over the slanderous lies he was telling on YouTube. Solid tried reason, and when that failed, he threatened to arrest Liquid for identity theft and involve Bob in this debacle.<br />
<br />
{{quotebox|If you do not come clean right now, I am going to get my father in on this further, and you are going to get fucking arrested, thrown in jail, and you will not get to live the peaceful, happy life that Kacey and I would like [voice cracks] you to live because Kacey really cares for you MAN!<ref>[[SHOWDOWN|"SHOWDOWN"]]</ref>}}<br />
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<br />
==="I, Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up."===<br />
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{{Infobox/Liquid<br />
| name = I, Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up.<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|1pbi94LLabY}}<br />
| Stardate = 14 August 2009<br />
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]<br />
| Subject Matter = {{Music}} Music {{Galpals}} Kacey<br />
| Performance Style = {{Reason}} Reason<br />
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown<br />
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#Verdict: I (CWC) WIN the SingStar Contest. Also, More Updates on Sonichu and Going Places :)|Verdict: I (CWC) WIN the ''SingStar'' Contest. <br> Also, More Updates on ''Sonichu'' and Going Places :)]]<br />
| next = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#GONE|GONE]]<br />
}}<br />
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Of course, this sent Solid completely over the deep end. First, he raged:<br />
<br />
{{quote|STOP THAT IMPOSTOR BASTARD WHO HAS BEEN POSING WITH MY NAME, MY ADDRESS, MY PHONE NUMBER, EVERYTHING! STOP HIM! HE DESERVES NOTHING!|Solid Chris, [[NO D*** WAY, IMPOSTOR!!!|"NO D*** WAY, IMPOSTOR!!!"]]}}<br />
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Then, he tried reason:<br />
<br />
{{quotebox|The ''Singstar'' Challenge was NEVER to verify who was the real Christian Weston Chandler, because everyone on the [[Internet]] knows that I am, he's the impostor. They should quit encouraging him. And I wish that he would stop his stupid, damn, dirty game. I don't know what the heck is wrong with his head. [''his voice gets higher''] He ain't right. He don't even let me get a word in edgewise. He just keeps going on and on AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ON AND ONNNNNNNNN! Worse than my father!<ref>[[The Contest NEVER was to Determine Who was Who|"The Contest NEVER was to Determine Who was Who"]]</ref>}}<br />
<br />
And as summer disappeared, so too did Liquid Chris: The apparent victim of foul play. Viewer discretion is advised, as the next video is disturbing.<br />
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{{Infobox/Liquid<br />
| name = GONE<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|5VEt7DgWMNk}}<br />
| Stardate = 15 August 2009<br />
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]<br />
| Subject Matter = {{Violence}} [[Death threats]]<br />
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown<br />
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#I, Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up.|I, Christian Weston Chandler of <br> Ruckersville, Virginia, Have Grown Up.]]<br />
| next = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#10152009|10152009]]<br />
}}<br />
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Chris's sweetheart, [[Kacey]], was distraught over the event and posted a video confirming Chris's disappearance and announcing her withdrawal from their engagement.<br />
<br />
==CWCivil War II: Kacey Boogaloo==<br />
[[Image:Megatron_pistol2.jpg|thumb|Chris's solution to Boyfriends.]]<br />
{{Main|Kacey}}<br />
<br />
Liquid Chris reappeared on 15 [[October 2009]] with a new video explaining the trials and tribulations of the past few months, and igniting a heated love triangle with Solid for Kacey's affections. According to Liquid, he had been unlawfully detained in a meat-packing factory, and when he managed to escape, he found himself in Africa. With the assistance of a few others, Liquid managed to make his triumphant return to Ruckersville, and the stage was set from there on out.<br />
<br />
In the [[Greetings to Kaceys Folks|video]] addressed to Kacey's parents, Solid called him '''"the previous Chris"'''. In a [[11052009 Kacey, I Love You, and I Need You|desperate video for Kacey]], Solid called him '''"the other Chris"''' repeatedly.<br />
<br />
When the dust had settled, Solid's behavior had [[Father Call|offended Kacey's father]] and, through his immaturity, pushed Kacey back into the loving arms of the Liquid.<br />
<br />
{{Infobox/Liquid<br />
| name = 10152009<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|Ni8d6CRSD1o}}<br />
| Stardate = 15 October 2009<br />
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]<br />
| Subject Matter = {{Homos}} Homos {{Rumors}} Rumours<br />
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown<br />
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#GONE|GONE]]<br />
| next = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#THIS will NOT STAND, you HOMO JERK. FROM: the True C.W.C with Birth Name Christopher.|THIS will NOT STAND, you HOMO JERK. <br> FROM: the True C.W.C with Birth Name Christopher.]]<br />
}}<br />
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===Epilogue===<br />
Liquid Chris is now married to his beloved sweetheart, [[Kacey]]. As the one TRUE and HONEST creator of Sonichu, his artwork and comics are extremely popular and he often attracts many beautiful [[boyfriend-free girl]]s with his medallions and his [[Gitar of Fail|Guitar of Win]]. <br />
<br />
Liquid makes mad [[Clyde Cash|cash]] by selling said medallions at Otakon and other [[anime]] [[Anime Mid-Atlantic|conventions]] while voicing Solid in Sonichu: The Animated Series. He has also made several hundred thousand dollars from his two critically acclaimed games, ''[[Pokémon: Lightning Version]]'' and ''Sonichu: The Crystal Chronicles'' for the [[Nintendo|Nintendo DS]] and [[HEXBox|Xbox 360]], respectively.<ref><s>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7V1gEjtmm9M</s> (dead link as of Jul 2014)</ref> On 27 July 2011, Liquid bid fond faredieu to the trolling universe on YouTube by closing his account.<br />
<br />
Solid Chris now considers Liquid Chris a friend.<br />
<br />
Liquid is believed to be currently working as a cancer research doctor.<br />
<br />
{{Infobox/Liquid<br />
| name = Sonichu's Copyright Proof and Thank You Kacey's Father<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|eL_mkCKuWXQ}}<br />
| Stardate = 06 November 2009<br />
| Maker = [[Liquid Chris]]<br />
| Subject Matter = {{Comics}} Comics<br />
| Shirt = [[Image:Brownstripeshirt.png]] Brown<br />
| previous = [[CChanSonichuCWC Videos, August-November 2009#My Half of A Whole New World For Kacey|My Half of A Whole <br> New World For Kacey]]<br />
| next = [[Sonichu_Special_4|Conspiracy to ATTEMPT MURDER AGAIN <br> from Ian Brandon Anderson (his Comic Pages)]]<br />
}}<br />
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'''VIDEO DESCRIPTION:'''<br />
{{quotebox|Kacey, you Know who is Right, in Your Heart.<br />
<br />
Signed,<br />
<br />
"Christopher" Christian Weston Chandler (C.W.C)}}<br />
<br />
==Irony==<br />
[[File:Liquidd.jpg|thumb|left|Ian acts as the real Chris, in [[100 2270|"100 2270"]].]]<br />
[[Image:LiquidChrisBelieveInMe.jpg|thumb|BELIEVE.]]<br />
<br />
IBAChandler has mocked Liquid on several points:<br />
<br />
* [[Speech impediment|His nasal tone.]]<br />
* [[Chris and fashion|His brown striped shirt.]]<br />
* [[Chris and money|Actually making money off ''Sonichu''.]]<br />
* [[Obesity|His appearance.]]<br />
<br />
It's a bad sign when one is fighting a mirror, and worse when the mirror is winning.<br />
<br />
In early August 2009,<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate August 3rd, 2009]]</ref> Solid began to believe that Liquid couldn't be the real Chris because only the real Christian Weston Chandler is a [[Slow-in-the-minds|retard]] who is the laughing stock of the Internet. Therefore, the fact that Liquid isn't trolled and doesn't do dumb shit suggests that he isn't the real Chris. Of course, previously mentioned theories seem to disprove this assertion.<br />
<br />
In a further fit of irony, Ian ended up impersonating Liquid in a bizarre attempt to woo Liquid's girlfriend, [[Kacey]].<br />
<br />
And in a last irony, Ian impersonated Chris who was impersonating him impersonating...or something...in [[100 2270|"100 2270"]].<br />
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<br><br><br><br><br />
<br />
== In the comic ==<br />
[[Image:TrueAndHonestCWCArt.jpg|The impostor [[Chris]] stole his famous lecture to the [[Jerkops]] from the real Chris.|thumb|left]]<br />
[[Image:Ibachandlercroppedsmaller.jpg|Beel explains Liquid's fate|thumb|top|right]]<br />
[[Image:Furryiba.jpg|thumb|Go, [[IBAChandler]], and copycat-ly [sic] sieze [sic] to the extreme!|left]]<br />
[[Image:Liquids_end.png|The commission as first seen in Ben Saint's lecture|thumb|top|right]]<br />
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Despite being one of the most important events in Christory, the Liquid Saga is addressed in only two pages within the entirety of ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]''. On 17 [[November 2009]], Liquid made his very first appearance in Solid' Chris's [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]]. Solid, being the slanderous impostor that he is, had the nerve to claim that Liquid's name was Ian Brandon Anderson, and once again tried (and failed) to convince everyone that he was the TRUE and ORIGINAL creator of the [[Sonichu]] franchise.<br />
<br />
Chris planned a future plot where [[Giovanni]] captured [[Rosechu]] and forced [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|Chris]] to cede control over [[CWCville]] to Liquid. This, however, has yet to be done.<ref>[[CWC Blog#20 November 2009]]</ref><br />
<br />
Since Liquid's fate in the comic remained nebulous at best, [[Ben Saint]] commissioned a piece from Solid Chris that explained Liquid's ultimate fate. To the surprise of Saint himself, Chris actually delivered. The piece was revealed in a YouTube lecture by Saint on the timeline of the Sonichu canon<ref>[[https://youtu.be/vFOIauPQ5XI?t=4433| Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture]]</ref> and included commentary by [[Beel]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], [[Rosechu]] and Chris himself.<br />
<br />
{{quote|So, you want to know the fate of the past impostor of Christian, as the original person was known? Simply put, [[IBAChandler]], he was dragged down to hell, punished of identity theft, and all of his memories and past incarnations reset. His soul was born a fresh blank into a newborn child, and his old body was burned in Hell's lava pool.|Beel in the commissioned art.}}<br />
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==Fan videos==<br />
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| name = The Final Fight — Part I<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|ayObshLZQwI}}<br />
| Stardate = 2 XI 2009<br />
| Maker = [http://www.youtube.com/user/IBAClydeCash IBAClydeCash]<br />
| Subject = <br />
| Video Type = <br />
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{{Infobox/Fanvideo<br />
| name = The Final Fight — Part II<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|s1SBdwZDN1k}}<br />
| Stardate = 4 XI 2009<br />
| Maker = [http://www.youtube.com/user/IBAClydeCash IBAClydeCash]<br />
| Subject = <br />
| Video Type = <br />
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{{Infobox/Fanvideo<br />
| name = The Final Fight — Part III<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|dYrgl-otclY}}<br />
| Stardate = 6 XI 2009<br />
| Maker = [http://www.youtube.com/user/IBAClydeCash IBAClydeCash]<br />
| Subject = <br />
| Video Type = <br />
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{{Infobox/Fanvideo<br />
| name = [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|Christian Weston Chandler... Yep, I'm On Hexbawks. :)]]<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|XhENYYmGAeA}}<br />
| Stardate = 25 [[January 2010]]<br />
| Maker = BobbyHillify<br />
| Subject = <br />
| Video Type = Trailer for the upcoming [[Xbox]] game.<br />
}}<br />
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{{Infobox/Fanvideo<br />
| name = Theme Song - Caillou<br />
| video = {{#ev:youtube|ipQvu7JoAbE}}<br />
| maker = SiIvaGunner<br />
| stardate = 4 [[November 2016]]<br />
| type = High quality video game rip<br />
}}<br />
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}}<br />
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==See also==<br />
[[File:Chrischan_cosplay.jpg|thumb|''Liquidus'' Chris.]]<br />
* [[Solid Chris]]<br />
* [[Robert Simmons V|Solidus Chris]]<br />
* [[Jimmy Hill]]<br />
* [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]], another doppelganger of Chris featured in the Sonichu comics<br />
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==References==<br />
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== External links ==<br />
* [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCWx5HnCkR0B0L6oPwjoiWsg The Liquid Archive]<br />
* [https://encyclopediadramatica.rs/The_Real_Chris-chan The Real Chris-chan] on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]<br />
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{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
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| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOIauPQ5XI&t ''Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture''</ref>. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> However, he would later concede that there had been casualties, saying that 99% of the population of Arizona had survived, putting the death toll at approximately 70,000.<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:chriswithbensaint.png|Ben Saint with Chris at Bronycon 2019.<br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
Image:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG|Chris declares the events of Ben's comic to be canon to Sonichu.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=File:Chriswithbensaint.png&diff=235375File:Chriswithbensaint.png2019-10-12T19:50:24Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
<hr />
<div></div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235374Ben Saint2019-10-12T19:35:51Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFOIauPQ5XI&t ''Sonichu 101: A CWC Lecture''</ref>. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> However, he would later concede that there had been casualties, saying that 99% of the population of Arizona had survived, putting the death toll at approximately 70,000.<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
Image:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG|Chris declares the events of Ben's comic to be canon to Sonichu.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235373Ben Saint2019-10-12T19:27:36Z<p>Bunsteaks: proof of canon</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> However, he would later concede that there had been casualties, saying that 99% of the population of Arizona had survived, putting the death toll at approximately 70,000.<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
Image:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG|Chris declares the events of Ben's comic to be canon to Sonichu.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235372Ben Saint2019-10-12T19:26:16Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> However, he would later concede that there had been casualties, saying that 99% of the population of Arizona had survived, putting the death toll at approximately 70,000.<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
File:Chrissaysitscanon.png|thumb|Chris declares the events of Ben's comic to be canon to Sonichu.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=File:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG&diff=235371File:Chrissaysitscanon.PNG2019-10-12T19:25:13Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
<hr />
<div></div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235370Ben Saint2019-10-12T19:21:41Z<p>Bunsteaks: but this one's more recent, and also funnier</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> However, he would later concede that there had been casualties, saying that 99% of the population of Arizona had survived, putting the death toll at approximately 70,000.<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235366Ben Saint2019-10-12T09:33:47Z<p>Bunsteaks: /* Chris usurps Ben's comic */ death toll info</p>
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<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
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{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
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{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris initially denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref> However, he would later concede that there had been casualties, saying that 99% of the population of Arizona had survived, putting the death toll at approximately 70,000.<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235365Ben Saint2019-10-12T09:24:50Z<p>Bunsteaks: typo correction</p>
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<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
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{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref><br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235364Ben Saint2019-10-12T09:24:20Z<p>Bunsteaks: Undo revision 235363 by Bunsteaks (talk)</p>
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<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
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{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Chris provide Ben with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref><br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235363Ben Saint2019-10-12T09:24:03Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
<hr />
<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
| image = [[File:Vapesquaresm.png|250px|center]]<br />
|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
}}<br />
<br />
'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
<br />
{{clear}}<br />
<br />
==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
<br />
[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
<br />
Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
<br />
This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Ben provide Chris with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
<br />
Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
<br />
In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref><br />
<br />
[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
<br />
Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
<br />
==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
</gallery></center><br />
<br />
==References==<br />
<references/><br />
<br />
{{Fantasies}}<br />
{{Sonichu}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Ben_Saint&diff=235362Ben Saint2019-10-12T09:19:33Z<p>Bunsteaks: updated picture</p>
<hr />
<div>{{Articleofthenow}}<br />
{{ongoing}}<br />
<br />
{{quote|my dream is to somehow get [Chris] to draw phantom horn or better yet NLACakaNM [...] I HAVE to ignite the Slime [[Saga]]|Ben<ref name=BenDiscordComments>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5355713</ref>}}<br />
<br />
{{infobox<br />
| title = Ben Saint<br />
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|header1 = Information<br />
|label1 = Name<br />
|data1 = Ben Saint<br />
|label2 = Also known as<br />
|data2 = The Cop Killer<br>ItsAllSoUgly<br>Phantom Horn<br />
|label3 = Date of Birth<br />
|data3 = 7 April 1988 (age {{age|1988|7|4}})<br />
|label4 = Gender<br />
|data4 = Male<br />
|label5 = Nationality<br />
|data5 = [[United States|American]]<br />
|label6 = [[Chris and race|Race]]<br />
|data6 = White<br />
|label11 = Occupations<br />
|data11 = Engineer (Former)<br>Comic Artist<br>Youtuber<br />
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'''Ben Saint''' is a webcomic artist and [[troll]] who exploited Chris and his Internet infamy in order to boost views of his comic, by inserting Chris's [[Night Star]] character and role-playing with Chris to get him invested in the comic story.<ref name=BenDiscordComments></ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-reddit-chris-roleplaying-as-magi-chan-megathread.59768/post-5193650</ref> Ben is a divisive figure among Christorians; some of the aspects of Ben's interactions with Chris share similarities with [[Alec Benson Leary]] and [[Asperchu]], with a comic that clearly parodies Chris' life and antics that Chris finds offensive and attempts to change. Saint's first involvement with Chris was as a member of The Pro Crastinators Podcast, which lectured for nearly two hours on the Sonichu canon in 2016 as part of their PCP University series, hosted by Saint himself. In the lecture, Saint showed off a piece of artwork detailing the fate of [[Liquid Chris]] within the comic canon.<br />
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==Chris usurps Ben's comic==<br />
{{see also|Sonichu Special 6}}<br />
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{{quote|His strips have some catching up to do to get to this point|Chris, on his unauthorized version of events based on Ben's comic<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1179253019847860226</ref>}}<br />
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[[File:Chris mad at Discord bot.png|Chris tries to roleplay with Endless War, a Discord bot, which kills his character. Chris retcons the loss in his version of Ben's comic.|thumb|200px]]<br />
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Ben began working on a comic, which mostly serves to promote the Discord server/game ''Endless War'', which he runs. In the comic, [[Night Star]] banishes two [[My Little Pony]] characters, Strawberry Milk and Phantom Horn, to NLACakaNM, the land of the game. The latter character is a clear parody of Christorians, so obviously that even Chris notices it. Chris took a near immediate interest in the comics, as early as 16 September. Ben and Chris presumably opened correspondence soon after. As the narrative continued, however, Chris became more displeased with the directions it took.<br />
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This came to a head on 1 October 2019, when Chris began releasing [[Sonichu Special 6]], his own drawings depicting what he wanted to happen in Ben's comic lore. Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, then sent Ben a DM both announcing/commanding that Ben make the comic as Chris willed, as well as demanding Chris provide Ben with $300.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#DM'ing Ben Saint to demand $300]]</ref> Unlike [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], where the fancomic author in question approved of Chris using her work, Ben is much more resistant to Chris influencing the work, creating two concurrent and battling canons. <br />
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Chris also attempted to play ''Endless War'', but was killed and became frustrated. Later, Chris would go on the server and announce that the game was over, as Chris' comic canon had deemed it so. <br />
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In response to this, Ben accused Chris of [[A-logging|genocide]], depicting his own characters being injured and [[Chris and death|killed]] by Chris's cleansing rains. Chris denied the charges, affirming that Ben's characters would just become normal humans.<ref>[[:File:ChrisGenocide.jpeg]]</ref><br />
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[[File:Chris annoyed at Ben Saint.png|thumb|250px|An annoyed Chris tells Ben to stop harping on the genocide, perturbed to the point he slipped up in his role-playing and ended the message writing as Magi-Chan instead of himself.]]<br />
Saint would continue to draw his characters being massacred by the soda rain and beg Chris to stop, yet Chris maintained that he already had, and that any deaths already inflicted were [[Chris and remorse|for the greater good]]. Chris tried to compose his message with a calm tone, but his annoyance at Ben still shone through, when he slipped up and ended the message writing as [[Magi-Chan]] instead of as himself.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5422863</ref><br />
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Like clockwork, [[white knights]] came in to defend Chris's actions and further their own strain of [[random-access humor|nonsense]], among them [[Multidimensional White Knights|Noel Manlove]], who [[Magi-Chan]] began following after she released a Twitter thread describing how [[wikipedia:Ed Bighead|Ed Bighead]] took the throne of Babylon in [[C-197]], changed his name to Darius, and is raising an army to defend Chris from the slime.<br />
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==Gallery==<br />
<center><gallery><br />
Image:SlimeSaga.png|Ben dreams of influencing Chris and inviting Chris through Twitter DMs to jumpstart the slime saga.<br />
File:NoelEdBighead.png|thumb|This is what Noel and Chris actually believe.<br />
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==References==<br />
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{{Fantasies}}<br />
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<div></div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Red-Maned_Deer&diff=161277The Red-Maned Deer2012-06-28T18:44:38Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
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<div>"'''The Red-Maned Deer'''" (leaked as '''fatty_video_-_aug_12_2011''') is a poetry reading Chris did for [[Jackie]] on 12 [[August 2011]]. It was leaked on 25 [[February 2012]]. The poem, which is actually more of a short story that occasionally rhymes, is about Chris stalking a deer and then fucking it. The deer represents Jackie; this was obvious, but Chris feels the need to [[autism|explicitly say this]] at the end. Interesting fact: only male deer have manes.<br />
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==Video==<br />
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| style = {{Crazy|text}}<br />
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| shirt = Striped tank-top<br />
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=== Transcript ===<br />
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Hey sweetheart. As I read-- told you in the email, I wrote you a poem recently. Wrote it in my...<br />
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''[Pulls out his 3DS]''<br />
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...notebook. So I'm gonna read it to you now. Soon as I get it [the camera] right...<br />
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''[Fiddles with the camera's position.]''<br />
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Camera adjustment... yeah. Okay. Anyway. "The Red-Maned Deer," from me, written yesterday on the eleventh, came to me when I was waking up.<br />
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The Red-Maned Deer is quite an elusive and majestic creatcha ''[sic]'' of any forest of this planet earth...and even of the universe. She gallops with sweet [[Sonichu%27s_Ode_to_Rosechu|grace and style]] in her hooves of twinkling glitter. Her dazzling coat not only keeps her warm, but beautiful with sexy flair.<br />
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Her shimmering red mane is long and w-wild and when the beams of sun and moon shine through, it's godlike majestic. She has eyes of green...like a slice of lime. ''[He says lime with a strange accent.]'' Her snout is so cute, like a bunny or a kitten. And her smile and voice, truly cute, and sweet like a newt.<br />
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I've dreamt after ''[sic]'' her for months, keeping observation in camouflage. She has an interesting family, including her birth mother and a father a step away. They treat her sadly like a Cinderella, keeping her from seeing her Prince.<br />
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Yet the Red-Maned Doe is fully grown, and is very wise and aware of the forest laws. One day, as I followed, to much my surprise, ''[sic]'' she turns her head and looks directly at me! I hid for a short moment, until she spoke in my language very clear: "Come out, come out my dear, my dear watcher. I have been very aware of you all these months. I've watched you as you rested, and dined of the forest fruits, and write, pen to tree skin. Please come closer. Stroke my coat, and mane. Allow me to admire your face, close to mine."<br />
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I approached with [[Duck|erect]] elation, her coat smooth as silk, her mane brushing my fingers like a spring breeze. I looked into her eyes, and she to mine. Entranced with her temptation and beauty, I was truly surprised...when she kissed me deep. Damn! And then I kissed her back...and we made truest sweet love.<br />
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This was, in fact, NOT an act of [[Chris and sex#Bestiality|bestiality]]. For you see, the Red-Maned Deer I have been communicating with and tracking, is really...my lo-my womanly sweetheart, named Jacklyn Romy ''[pronounces it "Raw-mee"].''<br />
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''[Turns the 3DS to the screen.]'' I love you!<br />
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''[A few pure, unadulterated seconds of [[the creepy stare]] are interrupted by a terrifying kiss on the camera lens as the video ends.]''<br />
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==See also==<br />
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*[[An Inspired Poem for Jackie]]<br />
{{References}}<br />
{{Sweetheart Videos}}<br />
[[Category:Leaked videos]]<br />
[[Category: Chris-chan videos, August 2011| 2011-08-12]]<br />
[[Category: Jackie Saga videos| 2011-08-12]]</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Chris_and_the_industry&diff=134957Chris and the industry2011-02-22T21:38:19Z<p>Bunsteaks: /* Publishing */</p>
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{{quote|----When Do You Want [[Nintendo]] and [[SEGA]] to Talk to Me to EVOLVE [[Sonichu]] and [[Rosechu]] more Realistically?----<br />
NOW!!!|Chris, [[An Important Update|demanding that multi-national corporations take orders from a nobody]]}}<br />
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Chris has had numerous '''aspirations to work in creative industries'''. So far, he has expressed his desire to make [[Sonichu (game)|several official ''Sonichu'' video games]], and work on a real [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' comic]] for a real comic publisher. However, [[Chris and his Ego|for reasons best known to himself]], he elects not to find out how these industries actually work, which is quite strange; one would assume that a person seeking a career in the industries would at least take ''some'' effort to find out how the said industries work.<br />
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== Publishing ==<br />
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In ''[[The Sonichu Chronicles]]'' and [[Chris's resume|Chris's résumé]], it's revealed that Chris is under the impression that his [[art]] isn't just good, but professional quality, and that he aspires to get into the comics and video game business. The résumé reveals his widely varied skills with both pens and crayons and his desire to work as an artist for a professional comic company such as [[Wikipedia:Archie Comics|Archie Comics]] or [[Wikipedia:Marvel Comics|Marvel]], creating his ''Sonichu'' comics. There is no word on whether or not he actually submitted anything to these companies, or if they replied.<br />
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Unfortunately for Chris, the publishing industry doesn't work this way, especially not in case of "original" creations. In the case of an original work, the publishers expect complete works to be submitted to them, usually through an agent. An agent's job is to separate the [[Asperchu|wheat]] from the [[Sonichu (comic)|chaff]] and find the correct publisher for the work, taking a small percentage of the eventual profit for their reward. If the publishers take unsolicited submissions, they have to sift through a gigantic backlog (often called "slushpile") of submissions of highly varying quality, most of which end up rejected multiple times before there will be a publisher with right market in mind and the right publication schedule to allow the publication deal to go forward. The whole process can take years in case of a single work.<br />
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If comic book publishers have salaried artists, they usually need to have a portfolio of previous work, usually work that has already been published commercially, or (if the comic house is ''particularly'' lenient, and most big names aren't) there has to be evidence of a successfully self-published, high-quality comic. And even in this case, these artists usually only work on characters and plotlines that come from inside the house; it can take time before the artist is in any position to present their own ideas for comics, or use their own original characters. Even if he ''were'' able to stick in a company for a long time, he'd still need to improve his communication skills a lot. If the ''[[Sonichu Chronicles]]'' PowerPoint and various phone conversations are of any indication, he's unable to persuade his superiors that his ideas are worth working on.<br />
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In short, Chris is deluded if he thinks that any company will just pick him up and tell him to work on ''Sonichu'' comics.<br />
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Even if Chris does get in, there's also the problem with scheduling. Most comics are worked on far in advance, thus allowing for any changes concerning a book, such as plot problems, character availability changes or even cancellations. Even so, many of them maintain a certain schedule, either monthly or bi-monthly (sometimes quarterly). Very rarely do comics go bi-weekly (one every two weeks), though weekly series have been more common ([[Wikipedia:DC Comics|DC Comics]], for example, experimented with the weekly format in the [[1980s]] with ''[[Wikipedia:Action_Comics#Action_Comics_Weekly|Action Comics Weekly]]'', which bombed and put the title on hiatus for a few months, returning it to its normal ''[[Wikipedia:Action Comics|Action Comics]]'' title. Twenty years later, DC has churned out a number of weekly series, including ''[[Wikipedia:52 (comics)|52]]'', ''Countdown'' and ''[[Wikipedia:Trinity (comic book)|Trinity]]''.)<br />
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Chris, however, has no schedule. His schedule consists of "whenever he has the inspiration" to work. That doesn't cut it. If Chris went with that alone, he would have a release schedule that would rival that of infamous artist [[Wikipedia:Rob Liefeld|Rob Liefeld]]. And where Liefeld, for the most part, could get away with it because he owned his own company at one point (and people have gotten him to actually do the work), if Chris pulled this kind of stunt, he'd be out on the street so fast, his head would spin.<br />
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Chris's understanding of [[Chris and copyright|copyright]] is a chapter in itself. Publishers want primarily original works, because securing the necessary rights to publish derivative works is often difficult or impossible. Chris has even resisted attempts to educate him in this regard.<ref>[[Mailbag 29]]</ref><br />
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== Fan fiction and ideas from the public ==<br />
Chris could approach [[Sega]] and [[Nintendo]] and ask them to make ''Sonichu'' games, comics and merchandise. This plan would also be doomed to failure, because no media companies want unsolicited ideas from the public. There are several reasons for this.<br />
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First, it takes effort to sift through idea piles and they can't give equal amount of thought on the bazillion ideas fans send them. While the game companies ''do'' listen to their fans, they usually just want to know if the time is ripe for something they've been planning to do. (For example, no doubt a big part of the reason why the newer ''[[Wikipedia:Fire Emblem|Fire Emblem]]'' games got worldwide release was because the fans of [[Wikipedia:Marth (Fire Emblem)|Marth]] and [[Wikipedia:List of Fire Emblem: Fūin no Tsurugi characters#Roy|Roy]] from ''[[Wikipedia:Super Smash Bros. Melee|:Super Smash Bros. Melee]]'' were wondering aloud "why the hell isn't [[Nintendo]] releasing these games outside of Japan?") They most certainly don't have the capability of starting a whole new game project just because someone asks. If the game companies respond by saying Chris had, as he himself so [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|eloquently put]], "rocks in his head", then you probably don't get a slice of their precious time for making a second impression. Simply put, Chris thinks that even when the companies aren't busy with other projects, they still have time to think of ''his'' grandiose ideas ''and those things only''.<br />
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Second, there is an age-old problem in a litigious society: A fan writes to the company and says "I have this cool idea", the company says "thanks, but no thanks", one of the in-house writers comes up with exactly the same idea by accident, and boom, you have a fan who's suing you for idea theft, and even if that lawsuit will usually go nowhere, it wastes perfectly usable time, energy and most of all ''money'' that could be used for more fruitful ventures. A famous example is British novelist [[Wikipedia:Terry Pratchett|Terry Pratchett]], who used to post in his Usenet fan group until one of the fans was convinced Terry had stolen his ideas.<br />
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Therefore, most media houses will just say they will not take any ideas from the public. The game industry is not an exception. This fact has been pointed out to Chris a lot of times (and at least twice by real Nintendo representatives, as evidenced by the letters he has read in the Captain's Logs<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate August 15th, 2008]]</ref><ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate February 10th, 2009]]</ref>). Unfortunately, Chris misinterpreted all this.<br />
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Another thing that Chris disregards is the fact that writing games takes a lot of effort. In [[Wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]'s words, getting things done is "1% inspiration and 99% perspiration." Many good ideas don't get implemented. No one is going to invest energy in developing an idea alone if they don't know if the idea can be implemented. Game companies may be willing to negotiate a deal to use their properties (such as characters) in games developed by third parties, but those proposals are usually backed up by real companies, actual creative teams of developers, and serious, complete plans for games, if not outright working prototypes already. Even in the case the properties are tacked on the prototype later on, the prototypes are usually fully developed so that they can be used ''without'' those properties if the plans fall through. (Example: ''[[Wikipedia:Star Fox Adventures|Star Fox Adventures]]'' began as a game that was completely unrelated to Star Fox universe, but Nintendo felt the game was better with SF characters.)<br />
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Theoretically, it would be possible, though highly unlikely, for Sega and Nintendo to cooperate enough the make a game featuring a Sonic/Pikachu hybrid named Sonichu. They would not, however, need any input from Chris, or even his permission, to combine characters that ''they'' own. Think about it. Of course, the idea of releasing it cross-platform for ''Sony consoles'' remains yet another absurd and fevered dream on the part of Chris.<br />
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In the Sonichu Chronicles he gives [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] "permission" to use the cover to his [[hand-drawn Nintendo Power magazine|hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' magazine]] as the inevitable cover for when his game is created, even though it's several years old (and, in fact, even ''worse'' than Chris' current skill at art).<br />
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== Other publication channels ==<br />
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Chris hasn't even tried any self-publishing channels. The idea has only recently been addressed, with [[Clyde Cash]] posting Chris's comics on [[Wikipedia:Lulu (company)|Lulu.com]]. Chris so far has only responded by encouraging his [[fans]] not to buy them, and to simply wait for him to release the "real" versions later. According to [[Jackie e-mails Part 2]], Chris has been fixing up his pages to be published on lulu, taking an unreasonable amount of time to accomplish this amazingly simple task.<br />
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The thought of monetizing his web comic hasn't crossed his mind either. People have been annoying &ndash; nay, ''harassing'' him with advertising he didn't approve of, yet when he attempted to replace these offensive ads with ads of his own, he simply put some random advertisements on his webpage ''without actually signing any sort of advertisement contract'' &mdash; the ads didn't make him any money. There are several advertising programs that allow individual people to put ads on their personal pages and make money out of them; some of these programs are even specifically geared toward webcomic artists. Many web comics have a donation box where readers can donate money to the artist via PayPal or similar services.<br />
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It also took a while for Chris to come up with the idea of drawing on-camera, and even then, he hasn't demonstrated it too often.<br />
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== Schedule slip ==<br />
Most webcomics have a set schedule: some update weekly, some many times a week, some daily. Some webcomics update whenever the hell the artists get inspired enough to draw a comic, and probably reserve a whole forum for people who whine about lack of updates. Most webcomic artists that update the comic three times a week consider that schedule very demanding, and webcomics that update daily usually generate revenue of some sort (ads, donations, print versions, merchandise, what-have-you), allowing the artists treat their comics like a full-day job. These are called self-sufficient webcomics. (Examples: ''Penny Arcade'', ''xkcd'', ''Questionable Content'')<br />
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Chris has thoroughly embraced the point of view that the comic shouldn't have a set schedule and inspiration doesn't have a deadline... while ''also'' promising us that the comic would be updated daily. On 14 [[November 2009]], Chris promised that the comic would be updated daily, and he managed to fulfill this promise for a while. By the end of [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris was already placing author-substitutes in the story telling people to quit whining about the lack of updates. This is obviously not a question of punctuality, but [[Chris and hypocrisy|hypocrisy]]; Chris would avoid a lot of drama if he just admitted that there's no set schedule whatsoever after all. If one ''does'' consider this a question of punctuality, it doesn't look too good.<br />
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Chris also tends to update in spurts in an attempt to make up for missed days; this can range anywhere from three to twenty pages at a time. Most professional webcartoonists have a buffer of guest comics so that they can avoid this sort of thing, but the thought of doing so has apparently never entered Chris's [[autistic]] mind.<br />
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== Sauces ==<br />
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== See also ==<br />
* [[Chris and copyright]]<br />
* [[Chris's resume]]<br />
* ''[[The Sonichu Chronicles]]'', Chris's not-very-creative-pitch-like PowerPoint presentation<br />
* [[CWC Personal Sonichu Presentation]], in which Chris likewise fails to sell a project idea<br />
* [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' (game)]]<br />
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{{Chris and}}</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Autism_Tutorial_Part_4&diff=134922Autism Tutorial Part 42011-02-22T03:59:38Z<p>Bunsteaks: /* Transcript */</p>
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<div>In '''Autism Tutorial Part 4''', [[Chris]] uses his ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]'' soapbox to rail at society at large for ignoring him, not letting him do whatever ''he'' wants, and shunning him for being creepy.<br />
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Chris starts off by describing [[Charlottesville]], and how it should be what he wants to replace the [[internet]]: "a social hotspring." However, Chris being Chris, he doesn't seem to understand why people avoid him in public, and blames some moral deficiency present in everyone else. Chris tries to demonstrate how [[Attraction Sign|socializing]] with him should work (SPOILER: everyone else does the work). He again demands respect, in what must be another ineffectual attempt to restore his reputation. <br />
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==Video==<br />
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===Transcript===<br />
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''(Chris's voice is trembling with obvious [[stress]] throughout the entirety of the presentation)''<br />
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Only about ten miles south of [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville]], [[Virginia]], is ''[[Charlottesville]]'' Virginia, historic home town of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson Mr. Thomas Jefferson], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_monroe Mr. James Monroe], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison Mr. James Madison]. Lewis and Clark also started their famous expedition from this area.<br />
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The expensive [[Charlottesville Fashion Square|mall]] of downtown Charlottesville houses a number of [[The GAMe PLACe|small businesses]], as well as the show-stopping pavilion tent and the Paramount Theatre. This, as well as the Fashion Square Shopping Center, should ''both'' be social watering holes, but for me, sadly, ''they are not.''<br />
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Anywhere herein, even including the bars and events like [[Fridays After Five]], nobody will even look or say hello to me. And of course the internet reputation I have against me... sadly thanks to those gross people that have taken my information... and... ''s-s-strew it around'' in their [[Lies|misconceptions of weirdness, twisting everything.]] I've already gotten into how bad that has half-fected me and how emotionally scarred I have a been. Back to social life, the [[autism]] increases my shyness, so I ''hardly'' have even the basic instinct to just say "hello" to anyone, or even open up so easily with trust. I need other people to come up and talk to me fir- (Abrupt jump-cut)<br />
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[[File:ShecameforCWC_(200803).JPG|thumb|right|Chris being a good friend.]]<br />
Allow me to make it perfectly clear about who I am so I am not misunderstood erroneously with the internet that's against me: My name is [[Christian Weston Chandler]], high-functioning autistic [[Chris and art|artist]]. I am [[Chris and anger|kind]], [[Chris and remorse|caring]], [[Chris and death|empathetic]], [[Stress|emotional]], a [[Chris and his Ego|good friend]], a ''loyal'' friend, cautious and weary, ''trustworthy''. Mostly [[Honest Content|honest]]. I do not like to [[Lies|lie]]. I would only lie to protect the other person's feelings out of care and respect. [[Ryan Cash|I]] [[Mike Jackson|AM]] [[Homos|NOT]] [[Megan|A]] [[Kacey|MONSTER]]! I am a caring, emotional, feeling, [[Homos|heterosexual]] human being! And [[Chris and Hypocrisy|I should be treated equally]], and respected as SUCH!<br />
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([[stress]]-[[sigh]]) Sadly back here in real life, everyone is in their ''[[CWCville|own dang world]]''. [[Mailbag|Snobbish, snooty...]] to even give care to ''one person'' who only has [[Trolls|few friends]] within the city, uh- that is Mr. Jefferson's hometown. Not even as much acquaintances, I feel invisible in public, and it's very sad to me. (stress-sigh) At least I do have [[Mic|one friend]] who cares about me around here. Unfortunately she refuses to go beyond [[Friend Zone|just friends]], but I care about her just the same anyway, because that is the kind of guy I am.<br />
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''(The sackpeople stare at each other like retards for the remaining few seconds of video)''<br />
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[''Subtitles:'']<br />
[''Hey, Chris.'']<br />
[''Hey, Mic.'']<br />
[''I have friends to introduce you to. Follow me to El Kono.'']<br />
[''Really?! That Is Awesome. Let's go.'']<br />
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[[Category:LittleBigPlanet]]</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Autism_Tutorial_Part_4&diff=134921Autism Tutorial Part 42011-02-22T03:58:40Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
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<div>In '''Autism Tutorial Part 4''', [[Chris]] uses his ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]'' soapbox to rail at society at large for ignoring him, not letting him do whatever ''he'' wants, and shunning him for being creepy.<br />
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Chris starts off by describing [[Charlottesville]], and how it should be what he wants to replace the [[internet]]: "a social hotspring." However, Chris being Chris, he doesn't seem to understand why people avoid him in public, and blames some moral deficiency present in everyone else. Chris tries to demonstrate how [[Attraction Sign|socializing]] with him should work (SPOILER: everyone else does the work). He again demands respect, in what must be another ineffectual attempt to restore his reputation. <br />
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==Video==<br />
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<Center>{{#ev:youtube|gCXlpTb0FmU}}</Center><br />
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===Transcript===<br />
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''(Chris's voice is trembling with obvious [[stress]] throughout the entirety of the presentation)''<br />
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Only about ten miles south of [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville]], [[Virginia]], is ''[[Charlottesville]]'' Virginia, historic home town of [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Jefferson Mr. Thomas Jefferson], [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_monroe Mr. James Monroe], and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Madison Mr. James Madison]. Lewis and Clark also started their famous expedition from this area.<br />
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The expensive [[Charlottesville Fashion Square|mall]] of downtown Charlottesville houses a number of [[The GAMe PLACe|small businesses]], as well as the show-stopping pavilion tent and the Paramount Theatre. This, as well as the Fashion Square Shopping Center, should ''both'' be social watering holes, but for me, sadly, ''they are not.''<br />
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Anywhere herein, even including the bars and events like [[Fridays After Five]], nobody will even look or say hello to me. And of course the internet reputation I have against me... sadly thanks to those gross people that have taken my information... and... ''s-s-strew it around'' in their [[Lies|misconceptions of weirdness, twisting everything.]] I've already gotten into how bad that has half-fected me and how emotionally scarred I have a been. Back to social life, the [[autism]] increases my shyness, so I ''hardly'' have even the basic instinct to just say "hello" to anyone, or even open up so easily with trust. I need other people to come up and talk to me fir- (Abrupt jump-cut)<br />
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[[File:ShecameforCWC_(200803).JPG|thumb|right|Chris being a good friend.]]<br />
Allow me to make it perfectly clear about who I am so I am not misunderstood erroneously with the internet that's against me: My name is [[Christian Weston Chandler]], high-functioning autistic [[Chris and art|artist]]. I am [[Chris and anger|kind]], [[Chris and remorse|caring]], [[Chris and death|empathetic]], [[Stress|emotional]], a [[Chris and his Ego|good friend]], a ''loyal'' friend, cautious and weary, ''trustworthy''. Mostly [[Honest Content|honest]]. I do not like to [[Lies|lie]]. I would only lie to protect the other person's feelings out of care and respect. [[Ryan Cash|I]] [[Mike Jackson|AM]] [[Homos|NOT]] [[Megan|A]] [[Kacey|MONSTER]]! I am a caring, emotional, feeling, [[Homos|heterosexual]] human being! And [[Chris and Hypocrisy|I should be treated equally]], and respected as SUCH!<br />
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([[stress]]-[[sigh]]) Sadly back here in real life, everyone is in their ''[[CWCville|own dang world]]''. [[Mailbag|Snobbish, snooty...]] to even give care to ''one person'' who only has [[Trolls|few friends]] within the city, uh- that is Mr. Jefferson's hometown. Not even as much acquaintances, I feel invisible in public, and it's very sad to me. (stress-sigh) At least I do have [[Mic|one friend]] who cares about me around here. Unfortunately she refuses to go beyond [[Friend Zone|just friends]], but I care about her just the same anyway, because that is the kind of guy I am.<br />
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[''Subtitles:'']<br />
[''Hey, Chris.'']<br />
[''Hey, Mic.]<br />
[I have friends to introduce you to. Follow me to El Kono(?).'']<br />
[''Really?! That Is Awesome. Let's go.'']<br />
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[[Category:LittleBigPlanet]]</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:TastyKayKs&diff=119767User talk:TastyKayKs2010-10-14T00:16:18Z<p>Bunsteaks: Created page with "Hey, the game I was working on is not exactly cancelled, but neither has it made any progress in a while. That said, by all means you may use my sprites as long as you credit me ..."</p>
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<div>Hey, the game I was working on is not exactly cancelled, but neither has it made any progress in a while. That said, by all means you may use my sprites as long as you credit me (I only ask this so that if my thing ever gets released, it's known that my stuff is all original).<br />
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I have more than what's on my page, too; if you wanted anything specific, feel free to ask and I may very well have made it already. [[User:Bunsteaks|Bunsteaks]] 17:16, 13 October 2010 (PDT)</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:100_2279&diff=119694Talk:100 22792010-10-13T17:21:30Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
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<div>I'll take a shot at transcribing this if no one else already is. --[[User:TubularMonkey|TubularMonkey]] 22:40, 12 October 2010 (PDT)-~<br />
:Good luck. He sounds almost completely incoherent in this video. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 22:42, 12 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
*Already done. Feel free to look for mistakes though. --[[User:MissRadioactive|MissRadioactive]] 22:43, 12 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
** When Chris is singing, he's saying it's true love we share, but other than that it seems fine.--[[User:Melainia|Melainia]] 23:18, 12 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
***Thanks, I honestly couldn't make that part out. I don't watch the show, so that may have helped. --[[User:MissRadioactive|MissRadioactive]] 23:25, 12 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
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Removed the line "It may be worth mentioning that during the video he mentions Circuit City, which is where he presumably purchased the box set in the first place." It's not worth mentioning, it is a line from the "Cleveland Live!" episode of The Cleveland Show, and nothing more.--[[User:ShadowMoses|ShadowMoses]] 01:53, 13 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
*So I'm assuming that the line about eMachines and Dell computers and cart racing came from the show as well? I've never seen the show. Also should we link to this video? It seems oddly prescient http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDyg8bxeyTM [[User:Svek|Švek]] 07:28, 13 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
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I think the other subject matter on this one should be racism as well [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] 05:37, 13 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
*Why? Because Cleveland Brown is black? That's a dumb reason. Chris isn't being a racist here, he's just being stupid and is parroting some skits he saw on TV. --[[User:Marty Chang|Marty Chang]] 06:03, 13 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
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Do we really need all these EPIC REACTION IMAGES on the CWCki? The past 5 or so video articles have this shit for absolutely no reason other than to have a picture in the article to make it seem beefier. Fanart is alright (along with pictures Chris took himself or screencaps of the video to help round out the idea of the article) but we don't need screencaps of the Cleveland Show or The Flintstones. Removed the image for this article, but I'm leaving similar images in other articles. --[[User:Marty Chang|Marty Chang]] 06:03, 13 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
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What's the accent he's actually putting on here? It doesn't SOUND like Cleveland. --[[User:Black Pickle|Black Pickle]] 08:32, 13 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
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Was Chris about to apologise for the video being racist and instead said weak? --[[User:Black Pickle|Black Pickle]] 08:32, 13 October 2010 (PDT)<br />
*I think he was about to say "bad", then decided "weak" would be less stressful to say. [[User:Bunsteaks|Bunsteaks]] 10:21, 13 October 2010 (PDT)</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Lars%27_Ship_has_Sunk.MOV&diff=115894Talk:Lars' Ship has Sunk.MOV2010-09-26T03:36:27Z<p>Bunsteaks: /* Chris fails with comedy again... */</p>
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Slugged in a transcription, couldn't make out one part though. /r/ help with "And today was our anniversary this 25th of September b... OH NO! What's that? A <site pert?>? Aaaah!!". It looks like another boat or a pier or something. [[User:Mupkids|Mupkids]] 16:32, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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== T-shirt ==<br />
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The t-shirt isn't plain white. It has some red logo/writing on it, which is most visible near the end of the video. Kudos to anyone able to work it out. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 15:59, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
:It says Brick Fest 2005 or 2006, June 9-17, and a URL at the bottom. Seems like some promotional item for Lego. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 16:08, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
::It is from 2000, I'm pretty sure near the end you can clearly see "000" after the fold in this shirt. [http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kl/brickfest/tshirts/front-detail.jpg closeup of what it probably says,] [http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kl/brickfest/tshirts/front.jpg front], [http://www.brickshelf.com/gallery/kl/brickfest/tshirts/back.jpg back]. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 16:13, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrickFest BrickFest] is an unofficial LEGO convention which is usually held in Virginia - I guess this is another convention that Chris has attended.--[[User:BADavid|BADavid]] 16:14, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
::::Although in this case, the shirt Chris is wearing has "Washington" written on it (I saw it at around 50 seconds+). --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 16:18, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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::::Comic sans logo fail --[[User:Bentduck|Bentduck]] 17:22, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
And I thought Chris couldn't sink any lower.-- [[User:Hieghts503|Hieghts503]] 16:26, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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==New hairdo==<br />
It would seem that Chris has resorted to just letting his hair grow out to hide his receding hairline. Think this may be because of his new sweetheart or because everyone keeps mentioning it? --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 17:41, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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== Sweethearts ==<br />
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Did Chris mean his current sweetheart in this video or one of his past ones? He normally means an actual girlfriend when discussing sweethearts; he said nothing about Gal-pal. I'm wondering who this was meant for. [[User:MissRadioactive|MissRadioactive]] 17:54, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
:He says " Who is now Chris's girlfriend!" so it must be Jackie. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 18:00, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
::That's what I was thinking. Good find. [[User:MissRadioactive|MissRadioactive]] 19:09, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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Added a little picture of Chris's mug from the beginning of the video. It shows more of his horrible aging. Someone do me a favor and add a better caption to it because mine sucks. [[User:Magi-chan|Magi-chan]] 18:06, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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==New Glasses?==<br />
Is it just me, or do those frames look shinier than usual? Maybe it's the rare inclusion of sunlight in his room, but still...--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 18:27, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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== What was that at the end? ==<br />
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I heard a faint voice at the tail end of the video. I think it was Barb saying "Hello" to Chris. Did anyone hear that, too? --vofdoom38, 18:33, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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Nice catch. Added a little bit to the transcript.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 18:39, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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== Chris fails with comedy again... ==<br />
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Chris' actions in this video seem to be a failed use of "Tragedy+time=comedy" toward insulting <s>Troll X</s> Jackie's old boyfriend. Of course, the Titanic is still a bit too soon, showing how Chris can't even follow comedic formulations.<br />
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Also, goddamn, his camera is yellowing the video big time. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 19:14, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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: "The consequences will never be the same" and Chris's smugness lead me to think he didn't mean this to be funny at all. --[[User:MissRadioactive|MissRadioactive]] 19:36, 25 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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:: My guess is that Jackie specifically requested that he use that line. [[User:Bunsteaks|Bunsteaks]] 20:36, 25 September 2010 (PDT)</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=115890Talk:Main Page2010-09-26T03:20:34Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
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*There's already cascading protection for all the front page templates. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:51, 11 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
*Stop freaking out about this spammer shit, Champ has it under control --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 16:53, 11 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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*There's already cascading protection for all the front page templates. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:51, 11 September 2010 (PDT)<br />
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<div>This is important shit guys, mostly detailing Bob's theory of the conspiracy that trolling originated from [[Megan]], Michael Synder, and "a few gay guys."--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:38, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:Yeah, this is awesome. Now, if we had Matthew's email, we could verify the "George Millson" case a few of us are looking into, seeing as it's possible proof of Chris hypnotizing someone into believing Chris is a good person. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 19:02, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::What are you talking about? --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 20:13, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::Either look at the talk pages of either CypherFDP, Msummers or me, or email enginegeorge@yahoo.com asking what happened between him and Chris. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 20:41, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
* Most upsetting Bob oriented thing to date. He's equally responsible for Chris growing up to be a useless sack of shit. I liked the world better when I thought it was all Barb's fault. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
** It's the final proof that Chris's vague understanding of reality and tendency towards conspiracy are just him puppetting his senile father and white trash mother. --[[User:TubularMonkey|TubularMonkey]] 20:04, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
*** I think you mean "parotting". I doubt Chris is able to project his delusions onto even his own parents. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 23:14, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
*** Even further than that, the fact that Chris didn't tell his parents about his near-arrest and tried to hide it proves that he is either very afraid of them or will do anything to avoid trouble (even if it is impractical or impossible). I'm also very interested in this apparent theft of Chris's funds. I'm wondering if someone really did break in to mess with his account, or whether Chris bought more shit than he could afford, and is trying to cover it up by claiming "trolls did it" --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 20:25, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
**Sully, I knew all along that Bob was behind Chris's shit as much as Snorlax. My suspicion was confirmed as fact to almost everyone else (including you) with this call. Just because he punished Chris once in the past does'nt mean that he's a good parent. --[[User:Famicon64|Famicon64]] 17:58, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
Who is that at the end? Sounds like Chris but...really off... - [[User:Captainhowdy|Captainhowdy]] 20:02, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
* Snorlaxicus Maximus. --[[User:TubularMonkey|TubularMonkey]] 20:04, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
** Oh snap! So is this her longest appearance in recorded media? - [[User:Captainhowdy|Captainhowdy]] 20:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
*** This needs to get transcribed, this is really good material. [[User:Notslowpoke|Notslowpoke]] 20:13, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
**** ffffffffffffffff why did it get cut off at the end? i wanna hear more of snorlax's rambling --This post brought to you by [[User:ShotgunJones|ShotgunJones]] 20:17, 15 August 2010 (PDT). Thanks for reading!<br />
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Nine hours without a transcription. Sons, I am disapoint.<br />
:I'm on the part where Bob talks about trolls hacking Chris's e-mails. This shit is gold. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:44, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:*Fuck. As usual, something new comes along when I'm at work. I'll take a look as soon as I get home, assuming Beat doesn't get word of this and leap upon it like the sexy, caped crusader for justice that he is. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 21:01, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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Transcribed. Hopefully without too many mistakes. I'll colorize it as soon as I get myself nice and drunk. --[[User:RTBHBX|RTBHBX]] 21:02, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:And colored. Tugboat Captain if you see any of your additions that I missed coloring, sorry, and please reinsert them. Oh, and I redacted the gAME pLACE phone number because I wasn't sure how kosher it was. If anyone wants to throw it in go right on ahead. --[[User:RTBHBX|RTBHBX]] 21:25, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:* Added a thing here or there, I was working on transcribing it for the past few hours too, but ya beat me to it.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 22:48, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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And maybe it's just me, but when Matthew says his own name at the beggining, it soulds like Nobles, with an "s". Confirm/deny? Anybody actually know him (how'd we get this in the first place)? --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 22:52, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
**Actually, I've listened to it, and it really does sound like he's saying Nobles. - [[User:CypherFDP|CypherFDP]] 02:58, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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**I made some very minor changes, including adding the s onto the first Nobles. [[User:Enibure|Enibure]] 19:39, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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IMO, "Matthew Nobles" had a pretty good idea here, but completely botched the delivery. When Bob says something crazy, Matthew doesn't even try to correct him; instead he just pauses, says "Sir...", and then repeats whatever he was saying before. [[User:Bunsteaks|Bunsteaks]] 19:53, 18 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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==File format==<br />
Could someone with a converter link to an mp3 version of the file? None of the media players on my computer support .ogg files. [[User:Ganondorfdude11|Ganondorfdude11]] 19:47, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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*Use VLC, dude.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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== Best Buy/Bank incident ==<br />
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Do we know more about this bank incident? Sounds to me like Chris probably got caught up in some sort of scam and blamed the DAMN DIRTY TROLLS for it. [[User:KarryLing|KarryLing]] 22:09, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:Considering how stupid and naive Chris is, I wouldn't put it past him. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 22:26, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:So, either trolls deliberatley going after him, some usual credit card fraud that happened to happen to Chris, or Chris lying out his ass to try to cover himself. Either way, Matthew is a master of Zen for speaking with a straight voice after that paragraph.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 22:47, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:I doubt it's as much "credit card fraud" as Chris-chan [[Chris and money|being his own spend-spreeing self]]. Bob got a wind of his statement, and Chris did the first thing that came to his mind: blame someone else. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 23:09, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::Either way, if trolls actually did it or Chris did it and is now lying about it, someone could get in some serious trouble for credit card fraud. If it is indeed Chris' doing, this could get good. [[User:KarryLing|KarryLing]] 01:36, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::Well, if it ''is'' Chris' own fault (which *is* the most probable scenario), it's not fraud- if somehow he did commit fraud, it'd be entirely on accident, I'm sure. Lying to your parents about your massive debt; dumb as all fuck (read: par for course), but not illegal. Chris stealing his parents cards; that IS fraud, but the only way that'd get taken to court is if Bob and Snorlax themselves somehow decided to kick Chris out and sue him. As fucking awesome as that'd be, not a chance in hell. --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 02:03, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::: I think Chris just spent too much money and blamed those DAMN DIRTY TROLLS--[[User:Monkeytacoz|Monkeytacoz]] 07:48, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::: What I meant by fraud is assuming that somehow (Likely through Bob or Barbara) Chris finds out that he can call the credit card company and say that the charges were unauthorized and get them taken off the account. I could see Chris abusing this very quickly. [[User:KarryLing|KarryLing]] 12:13, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::::: Oh, in that case: :D --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 20:14, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::::: It shouldn't be that hard to convince Chris to upload a copy of his latest credit card statement. We know he spends a LOT on [[PS3|PSN DLC]], but what about his other purchases? Credit card companies take fraud claims very seriously, and would at the bare minimum shut off the card while they conduct an investigation. --[[User:Captkrisma|Captkrisma]]<br />
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==Follow up call?==<br />
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''"Now, if you would like to have me talk to your owner I would be glad to- and my wife would be glad to go to a meeting with him about your place and how it's corrupting the whole neighborhood!"''<br />
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It'd be nice to hear some more conspiratorial shit from Boblax about how the GAMe PLACe is "corrupting the whole neighborhood!", and we know that they are chomping at the bit to talk to the owner. Just a though...-[[User:Beemunk|Beemunk]] 22:17, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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*"It's all a plot by the GAMe PLACe in league with the Greene County School District to persecute our son for being autistic. The Jews and gays are sent by them to harass Christian just for being the understanding, God-fearing, well-adjusted, mature young man we raised him to be. There's also some connection to the hispanics and blacks to keep him from getting a job and taking away all the white women keeping him from his true love."--[[User:PhilRaptor|PhilRaptor]] 23:29, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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:*Could be worse: Bob and Chris could know the word "Sheeple."--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 00:57, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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::*Worse yet, Bob could know people in the Tea Party. --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 09:03, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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==You do realize...==<br />
That Matthew sounds just like Alec Benson Leary right? Coincidence? I think not. --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 22:50, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:Apparently we don't like to disclose identities of trolls, but I think "ALB" of the calls, the [[Rollin' and Trollin']] cameraman, and the Mr. Hyde of [[Magical Man Potion]] are the same person. Probably a Charlottesville FA. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 23:07, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::I thought the same thing when he started talking. This is the most interesting thing to happen in months, hopefully we can find out about the credit card business and all of that. --[[User:Straw|Straw]] 23:28, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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== Letter ==<br />
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What sort of letter would Bob want to be sent? Chris steals troll-related mail and Bob is already talking to the (supposed) Game Place employee on the phone, so what sense does it make to want a letter? --[[User:Straw|Straw]] 23:49, 15 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:Bob doesn't know that Chris steals the troll mail.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 00:03, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::Too bad we do not know the mechnics of how exactly. Like does Bob or Snorlax actually get the mail out of the box, or does Chris do it? If maybe Bob would see stuff on a postcard before Chris got to it.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 00:55, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::Well, if they receive a large number of postcards/letters over one day or a week containing information they may not know (house tour still being online and whatever else people can think of), they would have a better chance of seeing something or Chris getting freaked out at all these letters coming in from around the country. --[[User:Straw|Straw]] 03:53, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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== Sent video to Michael Snyder ==<br />
{{Not A Forum}}<br />
I sent the video to Michael on YouTube; he needs to get a hold of this and address the video considering that Bob and Barb want to talk to him THAT bad. Even though he probably gets hundreds of messages and somebody may have already sent him the vid, I just felt it was important that he got a hold of this. --[[User:Famicon64|Famicon64]] 10:00, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:Isn't there a possibility Michael won't be happy that someone is pretending to work at the Game Place? I don't really know his personality or how he feels about the trolling but if it brings him into it I'm not really sure if he wants that. --[[User:Straw|Straw]] 10:05, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::I bet Mike would see the caller's intentions (knock sense into Chris's parents); even though he might be a little miffed that someone was posing as an employee of his store, he's unlikely to go ballistic over the matter like Chris would because the caller was only trying to reason with Chris's parents. --[[User:Famicon64|Famicon64]] 10:21, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:::Regardless how he takes the use of his store as a cover, I am sure Mike will be more than glad to share with us his views of his rise to fame as a conspiracy mastermind. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 10:38, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::I was just thinking this as well. Posing as anyone from The Game Place is pretty risky. There's a big potential for collateral damage to innocent parties. --[[User:Kettle5000|Kettle5000]] 13:31, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
:Why would you decide to be the guy to do this? If Snyder reacts poorly to someone posing as one of his employees, we could easily be the ones to lose out. You also (presumably) have no idea if alerting Snyder conflicts with the plans of the person who was good enough to bring us this call. I've been happily lurking the CWCki for a stupidly long time and have never felt the need to get involved, but was moved to register today just to point out that this may be a stupendously dumbfuck move. [[User:LisaLisa|LisaLisa]] 16:48, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
::Pretty much what LisaLisa said... I've looked at your talk page, and you have a history of doing shit that is totally unnecessary without asking. You'd think you would have learned by now.--[[User:Inos|Inos]] 05:09, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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*When you say they want to talk to Snyder that bad, are you getting that from where they say they want to talk to the owner? Cos they don't mean Snyder, the owner is someone else. If you're talking about them accusing Snyder of fraud, well, maybe that's something he should be made aware of. --[[User:Silomentality|Silomentality]] 17:35, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
**The latter was the reason why I alerted Snyder; accusations of credit card fraud and stealing money from somebody's bank account are extremely serious, especially behind somebody's back (in this case Mike's). If he knew of the allegations, the Chandlers could be in deep shit for accusing him of a crime that he never committed, especially when there is no evidence of fraud. --[[User:Famicon64|Famicon64]] 19:15, 16 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
**God dammit Famicon, don't do this ever again. [[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] 05:22, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
*** That was a really dumb thing to do Famicon. --[[User:Monkeytacoz|Monkeytacoz]] 08:26, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
**** Hey, Famicon. If accusations caused legal trouble the way you think they do, half the internet would be in prison. You're a fucking idiot. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 09:56, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
***** Whatever --[[User:Famicon64|Famicon64]] 10:20, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
***** BTW Sully (and everyone else pissed with me), you're the idiots here for seriously expecting me to cover up an alleged plot that I was never notified of. Hell I'll even CALL the Game Place if you guys don't chill out about this >:). --[[User:Famicon64|Famicon64]] 10:28, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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Famicon sez: "You! You! Every damn last one of you! YOU are the shitheads!" Hey, you know what? Fuck you, you slow-in-the-mind. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 00:42, 18 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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****** Let guess, you're going to scream JULAYY, right?--[[User:Monkeytacoz|Monkeytacoz]] 10:53, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
****** Jesus Christ. I think there should be some sort of application process/IQ test before people are allowed in here/PVCC/etc. [[User:Xanatos|Xanatos]] 11:24, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
****** Goddamnit, Famicon. How old are you? 12? That's the only type of person I could think of who would do something as stupid as that. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 11:58, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
****** You were never notified? Since when did anything have to be run by you? Nobody is pissed because you did something without the approval of an inner circle that doesn't exist, people are pissed because what you did was fucking retarded. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 11:53, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
******* *also parrots what other people have already said, adding nothing and cluttering up this page even further* -[[User:Beemunk|Beemunk]] 12:20, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
Yeah, I’m going to agree-<br />
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There’s been a rash of these (people preventing the natural occurrence of events, like with the wallflower) lately, and maybe the lack of content lately is driving the less tempered kooky, but it really needs to get toned down. <br />
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I know you little kids want to be the next great troll, but honestly, you’re not that good. Why not just make a quick post asking if this would be a good idea? Is it because if you mentioned the idea on here before implementing it, maybe someone else would do it before you and get the credit? <br />
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Stop trying to gain reputation. Next time, Famicom64, ask and gain the wisdom of the crowd. If your idea is as dumb as your last one, you’d get some insight as to why and the possibility of potential damage would be prevented. --[[User:ScottyBNickles|ScottyBNickles]] 12:14, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
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* Famicon, this isn't a goddamn coverup. If it was, you wouldn't know dick about it. It's a prank call that was released to the CWCki for everyone to enjoy during the current dry spell and in your attempts to be a SUPER HARDCORE EPIC TROLL you've made yourself out to be a jackass. Then, when confronted about it by far more skilled trolls like Sully, you have the nerve to give him an attitude? Where do you get off? Saying "My bad, I guess my plan wasn't so great" or something of that nature would've been entirely sufficient but instead you responded with "whatever" and called everyone idiots for being (rightfully) pissed with you. Trolling is about teamwork, especially when it comes to Chris. We work together in a group, we run things by each other, and if we screw up we accept it; not pass it off and pretend like we were right all along. Ya dun' goof'd, admit it before you make an ass out of yourself even more. --[[User:Thorgnzorrg|Thorgnzorrg]] 14:09, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
** Well said there. This stuff was risky as,and could have easily been prevented with a degree of intelligence. --[[User:MEANWHILE|MEANWHILE]] 15:14, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
**I don't do much here, so feel free to disregard this, but while the reasons behind what Famicon did were pretty retarded, I think that Michael should have been informed about this. He, Lucas, and Mimms have all been supportive, tacitly or otherwise, of us for a long time, and Mike should at least be extended the courtesy of being told when we're doing things that might involve him. While the allegations that Bob and Barb threatened to bring up would most certainly come to nothing, Mike should still be made aware of the possibility of two irate rednecks getting ready to call his boss. If he was informed before all this, however, again, disregard this. [[User:Torchwood|Torchwood]] 15:21, 17 August 2010 (PDT)<br />
Champ's asked that messages of these kind not be posted here anymore (see [[CWCki:News|the news section]]). I think everyone involved has got their point across. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 16:16, 17 August 2010 (PDT)</div>Bunsteakshttps://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Trolls&diff=64927Trolls2010-01-22T15:49:41Z<p>Bunsteaks: </p>
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<div>{{quote|...dang dirty trolls!|[[Chris]], [[Cwcville.net]] (since deleted)}}<br />
{{quote|What a world we live in, with such trolls in it.|[[Blake]], in ''[[Sonichu 8]]''}}<br />
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[[Image:Faceless Trolls.png|thumb|The Furies.]]]<br />
'''Trolls''' are the various individuals of all races, colors, and creeds united under a common goal - to troll the Internet's most beloved and most hated autistic manchild, [[Christian Weston Chandler]]. Trolling schemes by these individuals have ranged from hacking CWC's websites to making him take [[Nudes | Nude Pics]].<br />
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==Pre ED==<br />
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It is notable that Chris was trolled IRL before his discovery by [[4-cent garbage.com]] and [[ED]]. It can be argued that the first known trolling of Chris occurred when his life-long-friend-who-no-longer-speaks-to-him, [[Sarah Hammer]], locked him under the house when they were children. The next notable trolling occurred during the infamous mini-date with [[Hanna]] in 2005 which smashed his [[heart level]] to 15%. Around the same time he was also trolled by a girl he contacted through [[MySpace]] named [[Lindsay Kaye]].<br />
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There was also possile trolling of Chris through the guestbook on his website from as early as 2003, when "a hot redhead" said that she would meet him outside of [[PVCC]]. Either this was epic trolling, or Chris put it on the guestbook himself.<br />
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But this was was all child's play compared to what happened next.... <br />
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== The Few, the Proud, the Elite ==<br />
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=== [[Arjen Van Dierten]] ===<br />
[[Image:AVDierten icon.jpg|thumb|Arjen's YT icon]]''<br />
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Arjen Van Dierten was the unofficial archivist of [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris-chan]] videos, including videos that are quite rare due to Chris deleting them for whatever reason. Now retired.<br />
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[[Image:SirWilliamMaysOBE.jpg|left|80px|thumb|BILLY]]<br />
=== [[BILLY MAYS]] ===<br />
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<s>An individual who trolls as</s> the loud-mouthed salesman <s>of the same name</s>, who types in ALL CAPS. Was declared the mayor of [[CWCville]] by Chris on March 3, 2009 while under pressure from [[BlueSpike#Max|Max]]. Now [[Chris and death|dead]].<br />
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=== [[Blanca Weiss]] ===<br />
[[Image:Blanka.jpg|80px|thumb|Blanca's true identity]]<br />
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"Blanca" was really a trio of trolls (RickyRicardo123, Ickeriss69, and Nurse Icky-chan) who tricked Chris into sending them nudes, and later his [[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion]]. Ickeriss later uploaded a couple of videos featuring the Sonichu medallion, including a video in which the medallion is destroyed.<br />
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Note that while they did get Chris to send nude photos, they are not to be confused with [[Trolls#Lordsillynipples|LordSillyNipples]] who was the first to do so using the same identity.<br />
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=== [[BlueSpike]] ===<br />
BlueSpike (AKA "LeonSpike", AKA "Julie", AKA "Max") is a 13-year-old boy who pretended to be Chris' [[sweetheart]] "Julie." He later revealed himself as a troll in a now infamous [[Julie Reveals Herself|hour-long audio recording]] in which he berates Christian and makes him stick his Sonichu medallion in his ass. The incident later started a troll war on [[ED]] and a couple of other troll message boards.<br />
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=== CEO ===<br />
Webmaster of Krapple Komputer Kompany, the *chan that housed the [[/cwc/]] imageboard, favorite hangout for trolls when [[110mb]] goes down and can't deal with being without [[PVCC (message board)|PVCC]] and [[CWCki]].<br />
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=== [[Liquid Chris]] ===<br />
<strike>A [[YouTube]] troll who is known for doing a spot-on impersonation of Chris-chan.</strike> The TRUE and HONEST Chris-chan and creator of the popular comic character Sonichu. He was impersonated by an angry troll named [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] who made outlandish claims that he was the real Chris.<br />
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=== [[Clyde Cash]] ===<br />
[[Image:TheRealClydeCash.jpg|thumb|80px|Clyde Cash]]<br />
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Clyde Cash is the most infamous and most legendary of trolls. He posed as [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], raped Chris's beloved [[PandaHalo]], and performed many more amazing feats about which songs shall be written and the minstrels shall sing of in the ages immemorial.<s> He died an honorable death in the line of duty, and is remembered for his brave and fearless service for Anonymous everywhere.<br />
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"Now cracks a noble heart;<br />
Good night, sweet prince."</s><br />
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P.S He came back to life.<br />
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=== [[Cogsdev]] ===<br />
Webmaster of the [[110mb]]-hosted site that houses the CWCki, PVCC messageboard, and [[4-cent_garbage]] imageboard.<br />
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=== [[Emily]] ===<br />
Went on a date with Chris. Was later saved by the Jew in the Pickle Suit.<br />
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=== [[Evan]] ===<br />
A drawfag and 4channer who provoked the fury of Chris and unleashed his dark side, showing us Chris's weak spot.<br />
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=== Lordsillynipples ===<br />
The epic winning [[ED]] troll, who was responsible for impersonating [[Blanca]] and being the first to obtain the now [[Pickles|infamous Chris-chan Noodz]] on September 11th, 2008, along with [[Chris's DVD]].<br />
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She is also responsible for creating the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]].<br />
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=== The Jew in the Pickle Suit ===<br />
IRL pickleman who answers to Clyde Cash. Saved Emily from the clutches of Chris.<br />
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=== PodMonkey ===<br />
[[Image:PodMonkey.jpg|thumb|right|80px|The real PodMonkey?]]<br />
Some guy on #Sonichu who knows both Chris and the IRL Jerkops. Exploits inferred, but not revealed.<br />
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==Depiction in the comics==<br />
Aside from several notable figures above, '''Devil Trolls''' are mysterious, evil creatures that appear in Chris's [[Sonichu]] comic series. These creatures are first mentioned in [[Sonichu 9]] and make their first full appearance in [[Sonichu 10]].<br />
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===Significance===<br />
Like many beings within Chris's comics, the Devil Trolls are inspired by his encounters in real life. Devil Trolls represent the various trolls that have given him such [[stress]] over his lifetime. This is shown when Chris encounters a set of them attacking a room containing his stuff from one of his earlier websites.<br />
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===Appearance===<br />
Seeing as Chris can't create anything without ripping off original designs, Devil Trolls resemble those old Troll toys, minus their gems, with long tails and demon like wings. They also sport sharp teeth.<br />
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===In The Comics===<br />
The Devil Trolls make their first, mentioned appearance as some sort of grass protrusions taking away the fallen "[[IBAChandler]]" after Sonichu defeats him in [[Sonichu 9]]. They make their full appearance in [[Sonichu 10]], as [[Chris-Chan Sonichu]] encounters them inside a room containing his pictures from his various websites.<br />
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== Trolls Trolling Trolls and other faggots ==<br />
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=== Geneva ===<br />
A TRUE and HONEST [[pedofork]] whose [[I'LL BREAK YOU DEAD|days are numbered]].<br />
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[[Parody|Parodied]] Chris by [[Christian Weston Chandler#Discovery by Encyclopedia Dramatica|taking credit for]] the CWCki's [[110mb|downtime]] in mid-August 2009.<br />
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=== [[Svenka]] ===<br />
A now inactive [[white knight]] who made several anti-troll videos on youtube.<br />
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=== The Pinch ===<br />
Youtube counter-troll who made several empty threats to various cwc trolls, first threatening them that they would get a visit from the [[Jerkops|Partyvan]].<ref>[[User:Anonymous/The_Pinch#As_.22CriticalMindz.22]]</ref>When this didnt work he began making more threats, each less believable than the last.<ref>[[:File:Pinch_1.PNG]]</ref><ref>[[:File:Pinch_4.PNG]]</ref> Despite his efforts to seem intimidating, Pinch's tendency to delete his youtube accounts within minutes of contacting a troll made him an even less credible (albeit annoying) figure. He finally fucked off when a few clever trolls began impersonating him<ref>[[:File:Pinch_3.PNG]]</ref>.<br />
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== Chris's Thoughts ==<br />
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When asked in his recent [[Mailbag]] addition why he believes he gets trolled and is hated by everyone, Chris had this ingenious thing to say:<br />
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{{quote|"Tehy're just jealous that they did not think of [[Sonichu]] first, or that I am more [[Chris and art|Artistically Talented]] than they are."|[[Chris]], [[Mailbag 5]]}}<br />
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This is consistent with the advice given many children who are IRL trolled in school: that bullies are merely jealous of you, and want to see you react unfavorably (However since most trolls/bullies are usually in position far superior to the one being teased it is a bit redundant). Since Chris [[Count Graduon|never moved past]] [[Manchester High School|high school]] mentally, he still believes he is hated because he is so much better than everyone else, and not because he exudes [[fail]] and is offensive towards everything and everyone.<br />
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Recently, it seems that he's decided that the majority of his hated trolls are actually [[homos|homosexuals]], combining his two major hates into one massive force of nature. The earliest this is seen is [http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Mailbag&oldid=3208|a message he wrote] in his Mailbag section, exploding in rage over an added Twitter and how they could talk about him behind his back.<br />
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== Sauces ==<br />
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==See also==<br />
*[[4-cent_garbage.com]]<br />
*[[CWCki]]<br />
*[[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]<br />
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