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Template talk:PSNTracker

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Champthom: /* Deleting this (for real) */ new section

my suggestions: stick in chris's psn name. some trolls still don't know it despite it being obvious as fuck.

put a running total of how much money he's wasted. that'll piss people off and get us more members.

uhmmmmm, i dunno what else. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 02:00, 21 December 2010 (PST)

This really needs to be wikified. If we can't link to articles on the CWCki, then link to Wikipedia articles.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:57, 21 December 2010 (PST)
*Also times really should be EST, so people have an idea at what hours, ungodly or otherwise, Chris is on PSN. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:03, 21 December 2010 (PST)

on the PSN friends list you can type a short message above your name, i don't know the word for it, but chris's is currently "I No Socialize Online"... heh -[[User:Acousticvirgin|Acousticvirgin]] 14:27, 24 January 2011 (PST)

I don't mean to be a pain, but is the amount of money Chris is spending on the PSNTracker being changed? I've noticed that sometimes there will be a "Chris spent this much time to get this item (or something similar)" and then a ($$$) is added in to show how much this item or game cost him...but I haven't noticed the actually Spending Count change... Just thought I'd bring it to people's attention. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 21:49, 2 February 2011 (PST)

I'll try to update this every Tuesday and Thursday [[User:Dillon627|Dillon627]] 05:43, 24 February 2011 (PST)

== Get rid of it ==

It's not even no longer updated, for a long time now. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 05:52, 29 April 2011 (PDT)
*I agree but Clyde is all like "NO, THE PSN TRACKER IS IMPORTANT, CHRIS WILL LOOK AT IT" and that's why it's here. In theory, he could come back soon and do shit, which will be documented. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:48, 16 May 2011 (PDT)
** If Chris comes back he'll see the tomgirl quote and the "I am Christina" image and leave before even noticing the PSN Tracker.
*i'll update it whenever i see him online, i could add what time he was spotted too if anyone cares, but i'd have to figure out the difference between time zones and that's a lot of work [[User:Acousticvirgin|Acousticvirgin]] 16:18, 16 May 2011 (PDT)

*his new profile message is "'''Stop Messaging Me.'''" ..first time i've seen him online in months [[User:Acousticvirgin|Acousticvirgin]] 14:28, 8 August 2011 (PDT)

== Money spent ==

Can someone please elaborate the methodology of how we arrive at the total Chris has spent on the PSN? If we're assuming that he buys only new games, that makes us looks like jackasses because we know Chris does buy used games. If no one can explain the methodology of how they arrived at the total, I will delete the line about the money spent because it shouldn't be there unless we have a guaranteed way of confirming how Chris pays for his games. This affects our integrity and we shouldn't give Chris any doubt about the CWCki's accuracy.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:53, 29 August 2011 (PDT)
:*When I counted the money when I did it (it's been changed since then I think), I used only the amounts we had listed here on the CWCki (PSN games, any games listed with a price (via ebay), if a game was listed with no price, I looked up what that game is typically sold at as "used" assuming that's what he'd buy it as). Though I did not take into consideration money he'd have gotten back by selling things, either on ebay or via a store. I also did not include things via store credit or gift card, nor did I take into account monthly payments to things he uses regularly unless it was specified that he's had it for so long and it costs so much a day/month/year. So like the page said...the Money Spent is extremely conservative. Though maybe I need to do it again because by ALL money...I really mean all money. This included the "love dolls" costs (and I only counted one each because I actually don't know how many he's had...), so I didn't just count money he's spent on games.... When I think about it...I didn't include all the money he could have possibly spent on a lot of things because we don't know exactly how much... Like going to fast food places, clothes (the new make-up stuff for example), and I'm sure he's bought a lot of shit we don't even know about. I also didn't take into account his $2000+ dollars in debt at all... Again..Very Very conservative numbers here. Sorry, that was a really really long answer to a relatively easy question --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 06:00, 29 August 2011 (PDT)
*Can we delete this whole money thing? The money part hasn't been updated for a few months and there are some games we have missed in this template. I also find this part pointless as I'm thinking why do we need to count how much Chris spends on PS3 and PSVita games even though Chris can actually spend much on something else. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 21:32, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

== Deleting this (for real) ==

First off, yes, I know I'm popping out of nowhere to make edits but I'm inactive for a few years and a Sonichu: The Animated Series page pops up, you know I've fucked up. Is there anyone who strongly feels the need to have this template at all, much less on the front page? This is a remnant from Clyde who insisted we have it to piss Chris off and I had to let it take valuable real estate as not to piss him off. Looks like it's still regularly updated but could this information be incorporated elsewhere? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:01, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

CWCki talk:Community Portal

2016-04-24T13:52:13Z

Champthom: /* Remerging the portals */ new section

are there any other pages that need adding? --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 22:30, 12 July 2010 (UTC)
*Maybe either a general user decision area or a general talk area? --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 04:56, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
* I agree with Eniggy, there should be a general discussion area for users to discuss general topics on Chrissy boy and his latest exploits. Please Coggy, make this a reality! --[[User:Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]] 23:47, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

this thing was a failure, i suggest merging everything back EXCEPT for speculation. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 12:03, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Also I demand a new admin besides champ because he's not here a lot now. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 22:03, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Just someone who's on here a lot or someone with web editing experience? You could see if someone like Anonymax would do it, he does tons of editing on here everyday. --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 22:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:::i don't think web editing is going to help in this position. i'd nominate anonymax too [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 22:34, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:::: I vote merge too. And if you guys need help I'll provide some assistance.--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 20:54, 4 October 2010 (PDT)
:::::I also vote for merge. Speculation overflowed while the other sections barely had anything on them.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 21:12, 9 October 2010 (PDT)
:::::: I agree merge,also Clyde should be admin.--[[User:EpicBeta|EpicBeta]] 21:49, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

== Serious discussion overhauling this portal ==
Policy/Suggestions/General and that's it. (Policy would have both editing policy and community policy) -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 08:53, 2 November 2010 (PDT)

== Sightings ==

*question, where should sightings be put under? [[User:CFA|CFA]] 20:55, 19 December 2010 (PST)CFA

== Need new URL to Offshore CWCki ==

The link is dead. Can someone fix that?
[[User:Masterspark|Masterspark]] 17:49, 14 January 2011 (PST)

The Offshore CWCki has been dead, was there a reason? [[User:Barachulove|Barachulove]] 21:41, 11 February 2011 (PST)
*[[User:Clydec|Yes.]] [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 07:24, 12 February 2011 (PST)

== Speculation page ==

To prevent what happened [[Talk:Tomgirl_Pictures|here]], can we have the speculation page back? Offshore cwcki failed, and I know a lot of higher-ups dislike speculation, but at least if we had that page back it would be contained to one area. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 05:06, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

== New forum location ==

forum link should be
http://cwcki.forumer.com/

tru dat. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 03:10, 5 January 2012 (PST)

== TIME TO CHANGE THE FORUM LINK ==

TIME TO CHANGE THE FORUM LINK. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Slimz|Slimz]] ([[User talk:Slimz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Slimz|contribs]]) 
:Time for you to stop typing in caps and to [[Template:Sign|sign your shit]]. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 07:54, 9 January 2012 (PST)

== Quality portal? ==

Crazy idea I'm just throwing out here, how about a portal to discuss article quality issues? People bitch about the quality of articles, why not give them a place to bring their concerns so we can address them? Like I said, just a crazy idea I have and I'd like some feedback first.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:15, 10 January 2012 (PST)
: well we have the forums and the discussion pages for each article, we could create a wiki for discussion .. yo dawg i heard you like to wiki so i made a wiki about your wiki so you can discuss what you discuss. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Slimz|Slimz]] ([[User talk:Slimz|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Slimz|contribs]]) 
: Crazy idea - why doesn't Slimz stop removing signature messages from his talk page and ACTUALLY START TO FUCKING USE THEM. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:43, 10 January 2012 (PST)
:Seconding. Both Champ's idea and Anonymax's. Not you though Slimes. You just need a doctor. Seriously though, this wiki does need a serious quality overhaul, and this would be a valuable tool in achieving those ends. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 13:03, 10 January 2012 (PST)

== Forum link ==

Is the forum dead? --[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] 04:11, 8 November 2012 (PST)
:It certainly looks that way. It appears to have been taken down either by an admin or due to a terms of service violation. The latter is certainly possible; maybe someone reported the forum to Forumer? This is merely speculation on my part; what actually happened remains to be seen. [[User:CWCThinker|CWCThinker]] 07:54, 8 November 2012 (PST)

<s>
::Champ wrote on another page that the forum was TOSed. No word that I'm aware of of what's going to happen next. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] 13:00, 8 November 2012 (PST)</s>

:::I wonder if Chris reported it? I think new forum should be made, however the new forum provider's TOS should be evaluated to make sure that a Cwcki forum isn't breaking any of thate provider's rules. That way this won't happen again. [[User:Taurine|Taurine]] 13:43, 8 November 2012 (PST)

::::Nevermind...I looked at his comment again and he didn't say that. Must have got it mixed up with something else. I have no idea why the forum is down. My apologies. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] 14:08, 8 November 2012 (PST)
::If it was TOS'd, it was probably someone who was recently banned. If you look at their TOS, the forum wasn't actually in breach of them, so it will have been a misunderstanding. It'll likely be possible that we can recover the forum. If not, I don't think it's a big loss. Forumer really isn't handling this very professionally, so something like this was inevitable. It might just be smarter to change to another provider, even if the forum CAN be recovered. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 16:41, 8 November 2012 (PST)

:::::I agree. At this point I wouldn't risk going with forumer again. At least the most important information that came from the forums was put onto the CWCki. So like you said, no big loss. [[User:Taurine|Taurine]] 16:55, 8 November 2012 (PST)

::::::On /cwc/, someone said someone else was butthurt about being banned and reported it to Forumer, if that helps. [[User:Grandma Nazi|Grandma Nazi]] 17:53, 8 November 2012 (PST)

:::::::Zero surprise there. Those guys and their imaginary war. [[User:Taurine|Taurine]] 18:14, 8 November 2012 (PST)

== Editing Closed ==
I think your decision to close editing to all but a few articles was a good choice for the moment. I too have noticed the large volume of account creation and it does look like something malicious may be on the horizon. I don't agree with keeping these articles locked down forever though (or unlocked on request), it just creates bureaucracy that limits myself and others from editing/correcting as we research. It hampers my flow, yo. Until the motive behind the account creations is discovered though, limiting the area of attack is still a wise choice. --[[User:Skullhat|Skullhat]] 06:30, 29 January 2013 (PST)

Holy SHIT there is a swath of new accounts again. What the hell is going on? [[User:BeefCurtains|BeefCurtains]] 10:15, 23 February 2013 (PST)

Ah. That explains why I've not been able to edit anything as of late. What's going on with all these new accounts, I wonder? --[[User:Clockwork Hydra|Clockwork Hydra]] 16:31, 27 February 2013 (PST)

:Someone's probably planning a big vandalism attack. Would it be possible to enable editing for, say, accounts with over 10 edits already or something? [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 09:59, 1 March 2013 (PST)

== The Cwcki is Dying ==
I will be keeping a log of all the times I experience issues with accessing the Cwcki as this is beginning to happen more and more frequently.

~3:30 PM EST March 15th, 2013 - NOTES: Temporary down time, lasting 1-3 minutes with ~5-10 minute up time. Very sluggish response, even worse than usual. This is not my connection, browser reports that server is failing to send data.

Sorry Cogs/Champ, but until someone sheds a little bit of light upon what's going on here/what your team plans to do about the user creation spam or whatever is causing these issues, I'm not donating.
--[[User:Skullhat|Skullhat]] 12:47, 15 March 2013 (PDT)

== Spam inserted into header ==

"buy levitra germany where to buy viagra from buy dapoxetine priligy buy phentermine 30 mg" and so many more lines of the like has been slipped into the header, above "The CWCki needs help! Please consider clicking the tugboat to make a donation." It's hidden normally, but viewing page source or viewing the page without scripting enabled (thanks again, noscript!) shows it clear as day. [[User:Zekedms|Zekedms]] 03:59, 23 May 2013 (PDT)

== YOU'RE THE MAN CLYDE! ==

you really know how to keep this tugboat sailing ;)

== Remerging the portals ==

Maybe it'd make sense at this point to just have one community portal instead of various sub-portals (Policy, Technical, etc.)? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 13:52, 24 April 2016 (UTC)

Christian Weston Chandler

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Champthom: True story - NPR reporters are trained not to show emotion when they report. We should do likewise

:''This article is about Chris himself... It is his article and nothing less! For the "Sonichu" character, see [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)]]. For other uses, see [[Christian Weston Chandler (disambiguation)]]. ''
:''"Christian" redirects here. For our hero's view on Christianity, see [[Chris and religion]].''

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{| class="infobox" style="width: 21em; font-size: 90%;"
|-
! colspan="2" | Chandler Family
|-
| colspan="2" | [[Image:0782-CWCSpread.JPG|300px]]
|-
! colspan="2" |Christian Weston Chandler
|-
| '''Birth Name'''
| Christopher Weston Chandler
|-
| '''Full Name'''
| "Christopher" Christian "Ricardo" Weston Chandler
|-
| '''Nicknames'''
| Chris-chan Chris Chan [[Spanish|Ricardo Weston Chandler]] CWC [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] Solid Chris [[JenkinsJinkies|Junior Jenkins]] [[Carlos Chantor]] [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia|KookyDashy]] [[Jackie E-mails 24|Kaka Apple Chrissy]] Christine Weston Chandler
|-
| '''Date of Birth'''
| [[Birthday|24 February]] [[1982]] (age {{Age|1982|2|24}})
|-
| '''Gender'''
| Male (1982–Ongoing) [[Tomgirl]] (2011-Ongoing) Unknown (2012-2014) Tomgirl/[[August 2014 Facebook Posts#Chris comes out...kinda|Lesbian Identified Male]] (2014-2015) Female/Lesbian (2015-present)<ref>http://cwckiforums.com/threads/official-decision-regarding-gender-and-chris.6283/</ref>
|-
| '''Nationality'''
| [[United States of America|American]]
|-
| '''Race'''
| [[Chris and race|White]]
|-
| '''Height'''
| Self reported 5'10" (1.78 m)<ref>[[Match.com#Profile text]]</ref><ref>[[The Hook Cafe#Characteristics]]</ref>
|-
| '''Weight'''
| Self-reported [[WeighIn|216 lbs. (98.2 kg)]]
|-
| '''Parents'''
| [[Bob]] (deceased) [[Barbara]]
|-
| '''Education'''
| [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] ([[CADD]])
|-
| '''Occupation(s)'''
| Freelance comic book artist/writer/videogame designer (unpublished) [[Wendy's]] employee ([[2001]]) [[Cutco]] salesman ([[2003]]) [[Carlos Chantor|Male escort]] ([[2010]], unpaid)
|-
|}
{{quote|I am the [[Slow-in-the-minds|high-functioning]] [[autism|autistic]] person who was heavily [[stress|emotionally damaged]], [[Chris and art|artistic]] [[Things Chris has ripped off|inspiration]] lost with [[Chris and health|paranoia]], [[BlueSpike|deception]], [[Jack Thaddeus|blackmail]] and [[Death threats|plain hurtful words]] from those bottom-feeding [[Trolls]]. I am the [[The Wall of Originals|hand-drawing original]] [[Chris and copyright|creator]] of [[sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], [[Rosechu]] and the city of [[CWCville|Cwcville]], [[Virginia]], [[United States of America|USA]].|[[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia|KookyDashy]], aka Chris<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20110804190802/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57&start=10 Re: We've been found AND mocked horribly! :( ] - The Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia post where Chris reveals himself (archive from 4 Aug 2011)</ref>}}

'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February [[1982]], and currently '''Christine Weston Chandler''') is a [[Asperger's|high-functioning]] [[This_is_how_the_Trial_went#The_Trial.|adult autistic child]], thirty-three-year-old, former [[virgin with rage]], and [[Things Chris has ripped off|creator]] of the infamous [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], a crossover of [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon|Pikachu]]. Christian also stars alongside his [[Chris and copyright|original creations]] in his own self-titled online comic book.

His adult life has been largely defined by his goal of developing his webcomic ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' into a hit media franchise and his [[Love Quest]] to obtain a "[[boyfriend-free girl|boyfriend-free]], 18-[''my current age'']-year old, caring, [[tobacky|smoke-free]], non-[[alcohol]]ic [[Chris and race|white]] girl" to make into a "[[sweetheart from the ground-up]]."

In late [[2007]], he became [[Internet]]-famous when he caught the attention of [[4chan]] and [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. The initial fascination was spurred on by his willingness to wear a homemade [[Sonichu medallion]] in public, his [[Chris and art|childlike artwork]] featuring his unoriginal Sonic recolor, and his history of loitering in [[Attraction Locations|public places]] while literally holding up a [[sign]] asking women to talk to him. His reaction to the ensuing mockery led to even greater scrutiny of his life, [[Chris and...|revealing still more disturbing facts about him]].

==Aliases==
[[Image:093-CWCtoon.jpg|thumb|left|100px|[[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|Christian's hand drawn representation of himself.]]]]

Christian Weston Chandler has a wide array of names he has given himself. He was born Christopher Weston Chandler, but [[Christopher's name change|changed]] to "Christian" at the behest of the "[[Leonard Bearstein|mall conductor bear]]". In either case, he answers to "Chris" and "Chris-Chan". [[Autism|Unusually]], Chris will often refer to himself by his full name, or if he's feeling especially formal, "Christopher Christian Weston Chandler". He is unusually proud of his initials "CWC" and often incorporates them into his creations and various puns on the word "quick".

Chris's nickname in his high school [[Spanish]] classes was "Ricardo", and to this day he translates his own name to "Ricardo Weston Chandler" when writing or speaking in Spanish, likely due to his ignorance of the fact that you generally don't translate your own name when speaking in another language. At times he will literally announce himself as "Christopher Christian 'Ricardo' Weston Chandler", or variants thereof, to precisely identify himself.

When Chris revealed he wanted to be referred to with feminine pronouns, he began calling himself "Christine".

Occasionally, Chris will use the names of his characters to refer to himself, most notably his evil twin, [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]], and of course, Sonichu. In his comics, Chris has the ability to transform into an [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], named [[Chris-Chan Sonichu]].

The only names commonly used to refer to Chris which he did not himself invent are "Chrissy" (popularized by [[Arjen Van Dierten]]) and [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] (popularized by [[Liquid Chris]]). Less notably, there is also the seldom-used "Solid Chris", used by some to differentiate him from Liquid in the tradition of a [[Metal Gear Solid|certain video game series]].
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==Overview==
[[Image:Chris-Straw.jpg|thumb|left|[[The Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|An infamous image Chris drew of himself enjoying a soda.]]]]

Chris is a timid, autistic man with [[Chris and his ego|delusional tendencies]] who has been allowed - by his parents, [[Bob Chandler]] and [[Barbara Chandler]] - to eternally live like a child, amassing [[toys]] and [[video games]] into a single [[room]] in his parents' [[14 Branchland Court|house]]. Now thirty-two years old, he is so comfortable in his protected existence that he refuses to conform to the norms of society, such as [[Chris and health#Hygiene|bathing]] regularly, not loitering in a store all day [[Attraction Sign|waiting]] for people to talk to you, and using the bathroom if you think you may [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|soiled yourself]]. Although the public school system forced Chris to face society, graduation has allowed Christian to stay indoors and avoid taking part in typical civilian activities. Due to this avoidance of the outside world, Chris has never held a steady [[Chris's resume|job]], or even been employed for more than a few months in his whole life. Nor has he had many meaningful relationships with people in a social setting. Christian's main impressions of people now come from the [[trolls]] and [[white knights]] he meets online.

Chris is completely obsessed with his character Sonichu, to the point that he has hand-crafted several medallions in the shape of Sonichu and related characters. Between February [[2004]] and [[March 2010]], Chris was rarely seen or photographed without one of these totems, even wearing them in his [[:Image:License.jpg|driver's license photo]] and to his [[college]] graduation. At the same time, he is absolutely convinced that everyone wants to learn all about Sonichu, and that the only reason [[Nintendo]], Sega, and [[Sony]] haven't approached him about making Sonichu games is that they're either trying to be tough negotiators, or that his chances are being ruined by trolls working in the companies. The medallion returned in [[September 2010]].

Chris used to absolutely hate [[homos|gay men]], and communicated this with such intensity that observers were easily convinced he was simply terrified of becoming gay himself. He cannot bear to look at another man's [[pickle]], and he stares at [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|a Sailor Moon poster]] to keep himself straight.<ref>[[Chris Destroys His Vibrator]]</ref> Chris' words do not always align with his actions; he appears to be deeply insecure about his gender. He has [[recycling|swallowed his own semen]], [[Sports bra photo series|wears a bra]], and only reins in his [[Tomgirl Pictures|tendency to proudly cross-dress]] because his elderly mother intensely disapproves. While these actions do not indicate homosexuality outright, they do question the validity of Chris's own judgements on his sexual orientation. Surprisingly, however, his homophobia seemed to have little basis in his religious beliefs, as he had not noticed Leviticus 18:22, which condemns homosexuality, until he saw it on a 2009 episode of ''[[Family Guy]]''.<ref>[[CWC with Bible - Leviticus]]</ref> However, his homophobia didn't extend to lesbians, whom he "partly encourages" and is even aroused by.
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== Early life ==
In 24 February 1982, Chris was born to Robert and Barbara Chandler. He was born in the [[United States]], specifically in the state of [[Virginia]], and of course, is a citizen of the US. Not much was known about Chris in his toddler years, but the signs of autism didn't creep up until he was older. At the time, he was a pretty normal kid.

===Childhood and adolescence===
[[Image:Lapse.gif|left]]

[[Image:0147-CWCsMilkcapsAcrossTime.jpg|240px|thumb|The evolution (or decay, depending upon how you see things) of Chris-chan...in a [[Wikipedia:Pogs|pog]] form (yes, those are homemade pogs). Top: Chris '94, '95, '96. Bottom: '97, '98', '99.]]

Chris claims his first word, "monkey", was spoken at six weeks old,<ref name="Wikipedia early">[[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile#His Early Years - Birth to 1992]]</ref> and he remains proud of this feat into his thirties regardless of how obviously unlikely and physically impossible it is to be true--the language centers in the human brain literally cannot grasp English at six weeks, disregarding infantile vocal chords.

An [[abusive babysitter]], who was alone with Christopher every day for years,<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-3.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 3]]</ref> allegedly locked him in a room at an early age.<ref name="Wikipedia early" /> Chris apparently misses the irony in the fact the he now locks himself in a room. He once identified this confinement as the source of his autism. Between the ages of one and seven, Chris did not speak at all, and had to visit [[James Madison University]] for speech therapy. He was diagnosed as being autistic, with the doctor projecting (at least according to Chris) that he would never make it to high school, much less be able to write his own name.<ref>[[Aspergers (CWCipedia article)]]</ref>

During the [[1980s]], Christopher was playmates with [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. One day, she convinced him that Casper the Friendly Ghost lived in the crawlspace under her house, and when he crawled in there to look, she locked him in,<ref>[[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares#Memories of childhood|Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares, page 4]]</ref> beginning Chris's lifelong career of getting trolled. Apparently, he doesn't hold any hard feelings over it (possibly just because she's a girl--if a guy did that to him, Chris would vow vengeance).

In [[1989]], noted ursine conductor Leonard Bearstein misheard Christopher's first name and called him "Christian", which inexplicably convinced Christopher to later have his name legally changed.

Chris spent the [[1990s|1990-1991]] school year in the fourth grade at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]], until his parents pulled him out of classes over a mysterious dispute. Chris claims that he was forcefully restrained by the school's faculty<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate November 7th, 2007]]</ref> and that he was made to sit on the lap of the [[Bruce Johnson|principal]], an experience that supposedly inspired his homophobia. It's possible that Chris's opinions about these events are colored more by his parents' attitudes than his own memories. The issue went to court, with Greene County seeking to have Chris sent to a "special school", which Bob and Barbara likely interpreted to mean a nut-house. Chris was home-schooled through the fifth grade during these proceedings. When his family exhausted all legal recourse, Chris and his father relocated to [[Richmond]] so that Chris could continue his education in a different school system, starting with the sixth grade in fall 1992.<ref name="Wikipedia early" />

At age 11, Chris entered and won the [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes]]. On his twelfth birthday, he enjoyed a $1,000 shopping spree as his prize. WVIR-TV's coverage of the event focused on Chris's autism, regarding the contest win as a worthy accomplishment due to his mental condition. Chris put footage from this newscast on [[YouTube]] long before he was known to general public, and it remains the most solid evidence that he is not some elaborate troll. This incident is often cited as the beginning of Chris's tendency to use his autism as leverage for special treatment, as well as his fascination with toys and video games at the expense of more mature pursuits. It has led Chris to constantly enter contests in hopes of winning big (or else [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|becoming infuriated and belligerent to the winners]] when he loses).

<center><gallery>
Image:0002-BabyChristopher.jpg|Even as a baby, he was unusually ugly. Looks kind of like Baby Selwyn from ''[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Braindead_%28film%29 Braindead]''.
Image:0003-ChristopherApr1985.jpg|Age 3, actually a pretty cute kid.
Image:0001-ChristopherInSchool.jpg|Holding a prototype [[Sonichu Balls|Sonichu ball]].
Image:0043-YoungChristopher2.jpg|[[Chris and fashion|Chris's taste in clown shirts begins]], coupled with his infamous "deer in headlights" [[stare]].
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[[Image:0240-ChristianCBBall97.jpg|120px|thumb|left|CWC the water boy. PRO TIP: Don't drink anything from one of Chris's [[fapcup|cups]].]]

[[Image:CWC12.png|120px|thumb|Hard to believe, but this photo has not been airbrushed to perfection.]]

Chris spent much of his time in [[Manchester High School|high school]] playing video games at home, reading ''[[Goosebumps]]'' novels, and hanging out with his "[[gal pals]]" and "[[Joseph Herring|friend]]" at school. It was at this time that he first put his "creative talents" to use, with the inventions of [[Bionic the Hedgehog]] and Sonichu.<ref>[[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]], [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Issue_7/Page_22]</ref> Chris claims to have been on the [[honor roll]], and during this time acquired the true source of his powers, his [[amnyfest ring]].

Because the art award he wanted was given to someone else, Chris stormed out crying during his [[Manchester High School#Graduation|high school graduation]]. He honestly thought he deserved the award more than anyone else because he worked on it "so hard" in spite of his autism. Another reason for his sorrow was his fear that he might soon have to grow up and start acting like an adult.<ref>[[:Image:0567-GraduationNote2.jpg|DVD, graduation note 2]]</ref> Evidently, this fear was unfounded.

Since leaving high school and the happiest years of his life, Chris has been unwilling and unable to progress in any aspect of his life. He remains trapped in a childish, Year [[2000]] [[Time Void|time-warp]], as he believes that whatever he was doing at the time was what helped him attract female companions. That his high school gal-pals have moved on and married real adult men with careers is of little consequence to him.

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Image:471-ChristophersLeatherFace.JPG|Chris calls this his "leather face". Apparently, he's never seen ''Texas Chainsaw Massacre''.
Image:467-CWCPlate.JPG|This plate helps you lose weight - look at it and you'll want to vomit.
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===Adult Chronicles===
[[Image:0781-CWCspdbed.JPG|thumb|One of Chris's promotional images for his [[Love Quest]].]]

Chris's entry into [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] probably eased his inability to cope with life after high school. He took courses in [[CADD|Computer Aided Drafting and Design]] and began spending more time on ''Sonichu'', launching a [[Sonichu's News Dash|newsletter]] and circulating it on the PVCC campus. Over time, he began losing touch with his gal-pals from high school, and he presumably found the junior college crowd less willing to humor him and his personal idiosyncrasies. By his own admission, his social life at PVCC was lacking when compared to his high school years.<ref>[[Story of My Current Days#Story of My Current Days]]</ref><ref>[[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]], page 10.</ref>

Chris says he decided he needed a [[sweetheart]] in February [[2003]]. Possibly driven by his discovery that his old friend [[Sarah Hammer]] had begun dating [[Wes Iseli]], Chris started his [[Love Quest]] in earnest that summer. However, he quickly found that every girl he talked to had a boyfriend (or so they claimed). Chris soon became neurotic about the "[[Infinitely-High Boyfriend-Factor]]" and began concocting and employing various bizarre methods to attract women without actually having to approach or speak to them.

Chris's most celebrated technique involved sitting in one place (or pacing back and forth) for hours, holding a sign that read "I am a (Chris's age then)-Year Old, Single Male, seeking an 18-(Chris's age then)-Year Old, Single Female Companion." Amazingly, this strategy accomplished nothing beyond getting him into trouble with various [[jerkops|authority]] [[manajerks|figures]] who believed that he was loitering and/or soliciting sex, which is basically true. Chris was particularly affected by a series of confrontations with the [[PVCC]] dean [[Mary Lee Walsh]] over his attraction techniques, resulting in an ongoing, completely one-sided blood feud involving [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|magic curses]] and [[Mary Lee Walsh#Mary Lee Walsh in Sonichu|slander]]. After a series of confrontations featuring increasingly bizarre and threatening behavior on Chris's part, Walsh expelled him for one year in [[2004]]. He eventually returned, however, obtaining an associate's degree in May [[2006]].

After college, Chris promptly dropped out of society, devoting his life to finding a boyfriend-free girl, drawing ''Sonichu'', [[mass debating]], and using his [[monthly tugboat|welfare money]] to buy video games and [[sex toys]].

[[Image:156-CWCMegan1.jpg|thumb|left|He can smell fear.]]

In [[2005]], Chris met [[Megan Schroeder]] at a [[The GAMe PLACe|local game and card shop]]. A social outcast like himself, Megan proved unusual in that she was willing to talk to Chris for more than five minutes. The two quickly became close friends, although Megan claimed to have recently endured a bad break-up and refused to entertain Chris's obvious romantic interest. Chris, seemingly basing his stance on studying women in porn and [[anime]], believed that the key to turning Megan's platonic feelings romantic was to make inappropriate advances toward her until she had to tell him to stop touching her.

In the summer of [[2007]], Chris put it all on the line by entering the [[PaRappa the Rapper Contest|''PaRappa the Rapper'' Contest]] so that he could win prizes and a trip for two to Seattle, which formed the centerpiece of his plan to finally score with Megan. The contest ended in disaster for Chris, as he lost to the dreaded [[Adam Stackhouse]] and subsequently learned that Megan wouldn't have gone with him on the trip even if he had won.

It was during the Love Quest that Chris was inspired to launch ''Sonichu'', a comic book series featuring his Electric Hedgehog Pokémon. Ostensibly, the comic was intended to focus on the life and times of Chris's unbelievably original character, but by halfway through the first issue the focus of the story had become Chris and his myriad of romantic misadventures.

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==Discovery==
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[[Image:110-SchuSiteIdea2.jpg|thumb|FUCK YEAH!!!]]

{{quote|Geez, when you have '''me''' facepalming at you, you have got to be pretty bad off.|[http://encyclopediadramatica.se/David_Gonterman David Gonterman] on Chris.}}

Chris's rare talent was discovered when someone posted an anonymous picture of Sonichu on [[4-cent garbage|4chan]]. It only took a quick Google search of Chris's name to discover the picture's author, and Chris's miserable existence spilled over onto [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] in October 2007. His life hasn't been the same since then.

[[File:ChrisMomsPanties.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in [[2008]].]]

Upon learning of the "Chris-Chan" article on ED, Chris released a single [[Chris Chan's Public Announcement|YouTube video]] attempting to diplomatically convince the site to remove the page. Failing in this, he then spent the next several months [[List of Christian's edits to Encyclopedia Dramatica|vandalizing]] the article in the vain hope of overwhelming his enemies. This catastrophically backfired as Chris, in an attempt to prove himself as lurid as the [[trolls]], revealed a great deal of embarrassing information, most notably [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|a portrait of himself fingerbanging Megan]] that ruined his most important relationship at the time. By the spring of [[2008]], Chris would be banned from both [[The Game Place|his favorite hangout]] (temporarily, but he was banned permanently in August 2008) and [[Grace Baptist Church|his parents' church]] for reasons at least partially related to information brought to light by the ED article.

In August 2008, Chris [[CWC's Second Message|declared]] [[Attention All Sonichu Fans (NOT HATERS)|war]] upon Encyclopedia Dramatica in a series of videos, threatening to withhold publication of the upcoming [[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] unless his vast [[fan base]] rallied to force ED to remove the "Chris-Chan" article. When ED suffered outages unrelated to this crusade, Chris [[Kudos to the Encyclopedia DramaDestruction|took credit and declared victory]], guaranteeing that he would be under constant fire from trolls for years to come. This began an endless cycle in which Chris would produce [[videos]], comics, and harebrained schemes to attack the trolls, which would in turn encourage more and more trolls to provoke him for his hilarious responses.

The cycle was briefly disrupted in the fall of 2008 when Chris sent his various [[medallions]] to his [[Blanca Weiss|fake Internet girlfriend]], who immediately destroyed them and broke up with him. This emotional heartbreak and the release of ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]'' reduced Chris's output of videos and other sources of [[Laughs Under Lucricities]]. At the same time, Encyclopedia Dramatica began cracking down on trolls using Chris's ED page as a forum for discussing him, and in general opinion was divided as to whether it was funny or faggy to continue harassing him. The resulting schism led to the creation of numerous websites (such as [[CWCki|this one]] singularly devoted to documenting his life), which has only expanded the coverage of Chris's hijinks.

==Chris today==
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[[File:Ecp00066.jpg|thumb|Chris in [[2009]].]]

By late 2008, trolls controlled many aspects of Chris's life by posing as dedicated [[fans]], sweethearts, cartoonish enemies, and prospective business partners. Chris's ego and [[naïve|naïveté]] readily embraced this brave new world in which every woman wanted to fuck him, and every man was either trying to help him sell ''Sonichu'' products or steal the franchise for their own nefarious goals. Trolls would begin denoting major events in Chris's life as "[[saga]]s" such as the [[Miyamoto]] Saga, the [[Julie]] Saga, the [[Ivy]] Saga, the Liquid Saga, and the [[Asperchu]] Saga. All the while, the CWCki maintains a constant record of these events, ensuring that Chris cannot get away with his highly selective and revisionary treatment of his history.

[[File:Personalprofile.jpg|thumb|left|''[[OkCupid|Hello]], [[The Hook Cafe|ladies]][[Carlos Chantor|!]]'' Chris in [[2010]].]]

Following his disastrous failure to woo [[The Wallflower|a real girl]] in March [[2010]], Chris began to realize what anyone else would have figured out a long time ago: his toxic [[Internet]] presence is having a detrimental effect upon his real life, and each new video he creates only makes it worse. This realization appears to have led him to reduce his online presence and to stop donning Sonichu medallions and [[clown shirt]]s.

In [[November 2010]], around the same time another romantic saga involving [[Jackie|another sweetheart]] ended in failure, Chris announced he will no longer socialize online or publish videos of himself. Subsequently, all videos save for the last one were removed from his YouTube channel. However, his Internet activity had not completely ceased since he retired from YouTube. Chris later returned with new videos in [[August 2011]].

[[File:TG20.jpg|thumb|Chris in [[2011]], near the time of his father's death.]]

Perhaps the most dramatic change in Chris’s life was his open and enthusiastic embrace of cross-dressing and femininity in general. In [[2011]], Chris was revealed to have become a full blown transvestite (or "[[tomgirl]]", as he calls it) and fully embraced his new identity both at home and in public. Chris seems to have reconciled this behavior with his extreme homophobia and purported heterosexuality without any difficulty. Though treated as yet another saga at first, this behavior seems to be deeply entrenched and has only gotten more extreme as of late 2014 (see below).

In [[September 2011]], Chris's father died of heart failure. Chris continues to live with his widowed mother, who along with the [[tugboat]] is his only source of income. Since his mother is in her 70s, it can be reasonably assumed that she has little time left on this earth, especially when her poor health is taken into account.

Since Bob's death, Chris has seldom interacted with trolls, and is seemingly no longer able to effortlessly bounce back from despair like he used to, and has instead lapsed into deep depression, no doubt exacerbated by the later loss of his home to fire, and subsequent financial difficulties. In the aftermath of Bob's death, many trolls began to question whether Chris deserved or indeed, could cope with any further trolling, given that he was no longer the bellicose, [[Chris and fashion|striped-shirted]] egocentric that the world had come to know. If one thing is certain, it is that Chris's glory days of screaming into a camera like a madman and performing like a circus animal for trolls offering [[china]] are over.

[[File:Christran2.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in [[2012]].]]

In [[October 2011]], Chris and Barb were [[28 October 2011|arrested]] at [[The GAMe PLACe]] and charged on several counts including trespassing, assault, and failure to stop at an accident causing over $1,000 in damage after an altercation with [[Michael Snyder]]. The trespassing and assault charges against Chris were dropped, but both still face felony trials for the failure to stop, and Barb for assaulting a police officer.
[[File:Chris march2013.jpg|thumb|Chris in [[2013]].]]

In [[April 2012]], Chris declared that he finally lost his virginity. This was later confirmed to be true...[[Other documents#Chris's wingman|at the hands of a prostitute]]. 2012 was otherwise uneventful, probably because Chris was in trouble with [[Chris and the Law|the law]].

[[2013]] saw Chris's life more or less confined to ranting on [[Facebook]] and [[Twitter]], as well as making himself a pariah to people in real life through his actions. He began blaming people to their face for his own shortcomings which resulted in him leaving his church, getting chewed out by a voice actress from [[My Little Pony|one of his favorite shows]], upsetting the few friends he has left with his homophobia and getting thrown out of a [[Wal-Mart]] for committing blatant vandalism. He has also complained about the 'stress' taking its toll on his health ([[Chris and Health|this, at least, is evident]]) and pined incessantly about being "lonely". Even the "gal-pals" Chris so fondly talked about in his high school days would end up betraying him - he found out around Halloween 2013 that they had only tolerated him out of pity and, having discovered them, were just as revolted by his antics as much as the next sane person. Of course, the miseries Chris was lamenting at this time were almost entirely products of his own behavior coming back to haunt him, something he clearly did not realize.

The year 2013 also saw the rise of quite a few new white knights as well (including actual friends he met in real life) all of whom tried to offer constructive advice to Chris, although their advice was unwelcome information and thus totally ignored, as tradition dictates. This year of Chris's life seemed to have been most characterized by his flagrant disrespect of people, things and ideas around him, resulting in his exile and loneliness which he idiotically (but predictably) did not connect with his appalling behavior.
[[File:Chris 15 Aug 2014 changed profile pic.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in [[2014]], his long, lank, thin hair receding in earnest.]]

At first, it seemed that [[2014]] would just be business as usual. That is, until [[January 2014|January]] 10th when, in a cataclysmic display of the idiocy we've come to expect from him, Chris thought it would be a good idea to brew coffee in the bathroom of his garbage-filled house with an extension cord, leading to him [[Destruction Of Chris's House|setting his own house on fire]]. Luckily, no one (animal or human) was seriously harmed, although the resulting damages have forced him and his mother to temporarily [[Rental House|move out and trash a different house]]. Almost all of the Chandler possessions were destroyed in the fire, including most of Chris's [[Megan Shrine|vast]] [[Lego|hoard]] [[Trading Cards|of]] [[DVD|stupid]] [[Kimmi|shit]]. On a sadder note, most if not all of Bob's possessions would have been destroyed, including his huge record collection.

Since then, Chris and his mother have been having [[Chris and money|acute financial difficulties]], and Chris has spent most of the year alternating between begging and taking the odd commission to make more of his horrendous "art" on Facebook, or in a new display of [[Chris and his Ego|narcissism]], selling autographed photos of himself on eBay (you can guess who most of his patrons are). Nonetheless, this hasn't stopped Chris from blowing literal thousands of dollars on [[Lego|children's toys]]. Naturally, his "art" and photographs are only really of any value to trolls, and thankfully few people have been foolish enough to give him hand-outs. Which is for the best, given that he may finally be forced to face a situation his mother can't [[Hooker incident|bail him]] [[Chris and money|out of]], and maybe, just maybe, learn something from it. [[Chris and reality|Or not]].
[[File:ChrisMugshot.jpg|thumb|right|Chris, as he enters [[2015]].]]

More curiously, [[Chris and reality|Chris began identifying as a lesbian]] in [[August 2014]], and denied that there is no such thing as a male lesbian (citing Yahoo! Answers as proof). While he seemed to soften his stance on gay men (''very'' reluctantly), he also indicated that he hated his own duck, in addition to his pre-existing hatred of ducks in general.

In July, Chris claimed to have a [[2014 Anonymous Sweetheart|girlfriend]]. Needless to say, many [[Megan Schroeder|doubted it]] [[The Wallflower|would last]], [[Catherine|of which they were accurate]].

As of Halloween, Chris has been swanning around attending (and likely ruining) LGBTQ events around Charlottesville, including attending a Halloween party at a gay bar dressed as a lesbian from the 70s. At such events, he obviously mingles with people infinitely more accepting and kind than himself. This necessarily will result either in Chris becoming a better person or in Chris being banned and ostracized from these gatherings. If history suggests a single thing, it is that the latter scenario will occur.

In early November, it was confirmed that his latest sweetheart was yet another troll persona. This has led to an outpouring of disappointment and disgust from many of his [[CWCki Forums|unappreciated abettors]], who were hoping that, for once, Chris had got lucky. It is unclear, but likely, that she was the same woman mentioned above who was dating him in July.

This glimmer of pity was extinguished in December, as Chris [[26 December 2014|broke three laws in one outing to]] [[GameStop]] on Boxing Day. His main offense was assaulting an employee who was calling security, with mace; showing that, again, Chris has yet to learn anything from his mistakes, if he even regards them as mistakes to begin with. Only time will tell how much trouble Chris has landed himself in this time, but given his current financial status and history, it can't be good. Needless to say, Chris has no one to blame but himself for this mess, which isn't to say he won't try.

In January 2015, Chris asked people to start referring him with female pronouns, and subsequently caused another ruckus at Wal-Mart.
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==See also==
* [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)]] - Chris's depiction of himself within his own comics.
* [[Chris-chan Sonichu]] - Chris's furry alter ego.
* [[:Category:DVD slideshow images|Hundreds of personal photographs]] assembled for use in Chris's autobiographical [[DVD]].
* [[User:GodofThunderGodofWar]] - Chris's own CWCki account

==Sources==
{{CWCipedia}}
{{Fan Art|chris=Chris fan art|linkname=Chris}}
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==External links==
[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4813395/ Christian Weston Chandler] at the [[Wikipedia:Internet Movie Database|Internet Movie Database]]

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CWCki:Policy

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For discussion of CWCki policy and rules.

== everything i say is important so it goes on top also purging the CWCki ==

I'm honestly tired of the resources being used on the CWCki for stupid bullshit like talk pages and user pages and fan works and speculation and etc. I'm sick of both the time spent on that and the ACTUAL resources. I've been trying to solve this god damn internal 500 server error and I'm fairly sure it has to do with the large amount of stupid pages and stupid edits that have been made over the years (this is sad, YEARS)

So stop spending time on the CWCki doing bullshit like making shitty templates denoted you are a cool guy or making a stupid sonichu troll art that's really neat and all and start working on actual stupid bullshit like mumble chats or something. at least that'll entertain more people than all this other shit people have been doing. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Purging histories. ==

At some point, I think we will need to purge the histories of high-edit count articles. I know that's against wiki standards, but I'm up to solving this 500 internal server error once and for all. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Fan Works policy ==

right now there aren't really any rules regards what can and cannot go in the fan namespace. this is because i trusted users to judge for themselves whether or not their work belonged on the cwcki. so, let's get its purpose straight: fan works was meant to be PVCC's troll productions subforum, but public. it is not, however, a mirror site incase deviantart goes down. i feel that some individuals are forgetting that this is a wiki about CWC. now, it's quite tricky to say what can and cannot be hosted here. there are very few examples of things being uploaded that are completely unrelated to chris or sonichu. however, i will try my best to clarify what is appropriate.

'''Examples of good fanworks:'''
* A drawing of CWC saying DYKES DYKES CHINA being placed into the "CWC's Second Message" article
* An "artist's depiction" of something we have no pictures of but how it may have looked, i.e. Chris in the mall with his attraction sign, Chris using his "red string of fate", Chris's IRL confrontation with Mary Lee Walsh, [[Fapcup]], etc
* Comics what are actually funny

'''Examples of bad fanworks:'''
* A Sonichu comic depicting how you think Sonichu should have been
* Shitty recolored Sonichu and Rosechu "original characters"
* Your shitty fursona with a Sonichu tail shoved up its ass

to summarise, i think the distinction lies in whether or not it is actually related to ''chris''. there are lots of things related to sonichu, many of which include chris, but are actually disconnected from chris's antics themselves. i don't think these are appropriate for this wiki, and i see their numbers increasing(although i would like to refrain from naming names).

please discuss any changes or clarifications that you wish made, however i would like to implement these new rules by the end of the week. if a user feels their own uploads were, in light of these policy changes, in error then they can remove them now to save the jerkops the trouble of removing them later.

PEACE, AND HAVE A GOOD DAY --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 21:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, could we see just what works are and are not on the chopping block? Just so we can see where we stand on this. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 02:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* i guess it might be useful to have a template for that --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 09:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No. When the purge is complete you will know exactly where you stand. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, does one need any kind of admin status to delete files? I'm trying to figure this out. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Just who decides what's worthy?===
I can get behind the fact that you want this wiki to be about Chris, with his Sonichu works simply being an extension of him. What bothers me is how all this hate coming from users complaining about fan works they simply don't care for. If fan works are removed all together from here, I'd be alright with that. But when someone said "all Sonichu-related works need to go, except the ones I like!" it seems more like favoritism rather than objective policy. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 00:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, though I myself am hardly unbiased. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 00:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's almost like this wiki is run by trolls who cae not for your feelings.--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 01:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Just because we troll Chris doesn't mean we can't deal with each other in a civilized manner. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 02:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't troll shit, spud. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 02:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Can anything be done on this site without creating a shitstorm? This isn't some crusade against drawfags, and it shouldn't be painted as such by EITHER side. The site is about Chris, and the large amount of coverage on his creations is only because they made up such a large part of his life. The CWCki isn't about Sonichu, it's about Chris. Maybe some exceptions can be made, but for now fanworks not directly about Chris need to go. I myself enjoy many, especially Fear and Loathing in CWCville, but unless it is used to successfully troll Chris, it doesn't belong here.
Thing is, we need a peaceful resolution to this. Shit with faggot users and /cwc/ is bad enough, we don't need this to blow up. Maybe exceptional fanworks can be allowed; if not, they can be hosted on DA, or perhaps a site devoted to Sonichu. The artists and fans need to remember that this isn't an attack against their work, it's just policy. Users who want to be active in the execution of this policy need to not be dicks about it, and be responsible about it. It's not "deleting shit one doesn't like," it's removing unnecessary images and articles. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 02:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well, like I've said before, I will print out every page, bind it, and mail it to him when I'm finished. Which should be in two weeks or so. If my works are deleted before then, I'm not going to worry too much. In fact, it wouldn't bother me much at all if the entire fan section was removed and all fan art was deleted. I'm just a little put off from the vitriol a lot of the critics are spewing. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::You think he's going to read it, that's cute. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Maybe, maybe not, what's the harm in trying? The most it'll cost me is a few bucks in postage. Well, that and the markers. Now I understand why he textwalls so much, those things dry out quick! :P --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I could totally get on board starting a new site just to host these things. If we do so, though, we need clearly-defined criteria as to what gets to stay. Limiting ourselves to stuff Chris has seen would be fair, but it would need to be absolutely enforced. Which is to say, we couldn't have a page on ''Chris Gets Laid'', excellent though it is, unless he himself responded to it in some way. -[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 03:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You could do that. That's entirely acceptable, as it focuses on Chris and its activities. What you couldn't do is a story about a Sonichu recolor having some dumb adventure while Chris gets laid as a side-story. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 03:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well by those rules, we'd have to delete the page on ''Sonichu Is Dead'', because Chris barely appears in it. We need a single, objective policy for what gets to stay and what doesn't, regardless of quality. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 11:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there has to be some kind of objective criteria, not just what largely seems to be "Your fic/comic is bad, and you should feel bad, ur a furfag lawl." If you want to cut fics because the Fan section is getting out of hand, fine. Just come up with a standard that makes sense and enforce it. If the "How you think Sonichu should have been" rule is enforced, then the entire fan section will be pretty much gutted. If we go with the "About Chris not Sonichu", well pretty much every fic has Chris' Mary Sue Avatar Combined with his real self on there, so where's the line? Is it IRL Chris, or Comic Chris? [[User:Mellowyellowsalvation|Mellowyellowsalvation]] 16:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*That's why I think limiting ourselves to stuff to which Chris has responded makes the most sense. He either did, or he didn't, and there are no shades of grey. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 02:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*As I've said elsewhere, I personally think the Fan Works index is more of a hassle than it's worth and we should get rid of it. Clyde has suggested a separate wiki and I think that might be the best solution. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
** I would agree that a second site for fan works would probably be the best course of action. However, I think we should consider keeping notable fanworks (that is, those that Chris has responded to) here on the CWCki. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 17:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
***This site is for things that have trolled Chris, so we should absolutely keep them. However, I notice that lots of things that don't fit those guidelines have survived the purge. Why? --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 15:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Re:Examples of bad fanworks ===

Most of the fan works don't seem to fall in any of those categories. Is there something else that's a problem?--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 00:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*No, a lot of the admins are just fickle, want things they specifically don't like deleted no matter if there was a good reason or not, and don't seem to realize that trolls don't necessarily have to be asses to anyone and everyone. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 12:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* Right. It's that, it has nothing to do with an overwhelming majority of it being some sick fucks fantasy and has virtually or literally nothing to do with Chris. They're just angry, angry DAMN DIRTY SLANDEROUS TROLLS. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 03:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

* To avoid altercations like this, I would delete the index entirely. Simply put, there are other, far more suitable venues to put this, so you won't ever have to lapse into offended rage, or conversely, argue with trolls sticking their 'n***** noses' in your business. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Dumb suggestion ===

Why couldn't we just grandfather stuff in? --[[User:GandWuser|GandWuser]] 12:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

=== my suggestion ===

wipe everything and start a new wiki because i'm cutting down everything that's eating up resources. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*people should pay attention to me more. also pay attention to me. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I like this idea. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

i've been considering moving to a new version of mediawiki, but might as well wait for 1.16 to reach stable. this should go on technical though i guess --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 19:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Guys===
The admins are at liberty to delete whatever the fuck they don't like. It just so happens they don't like torture porn involving Sonees and Roseys and comics intended to piss Chris off a la Asperchu. I know Asperchu gave you all hope for your fan comics and getting into the annals of troll history, but Asperchu happened because until then no one had attempted anything like it. The way to get into troll history is not to follow in the footsteps of more famous trolls, but to find areas of Chris's psyche no one has prodded before and poke the shit out of them until you get an angry YouTube video. If you really really REALLY still want your fics visible on the internet, make your own Sonichu site for fanworks or join a preexisting one, such as [http://caferosechu.110mb.com/index.html Cafe Rosechu] (which is run by the girl who made Capering Berries). ... As for the underage guro, fucking stop. That's disgusting. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 22:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
* What he said. --[[User:Inos|Inos]] 07:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

===Looks like you missed something===
Both the [http://cogsdev.org/cwcki/Category:Fear_and_Loathing_in_CWCville|category] and [[Fan talk:Fear and Loathing in CWCville|talk page]] for my crap remains, as well as all the pages I uploaded. I'll take care of it... if someone can tell me how to delete pages. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 22:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==Harassment and NPOV==

Recent events have brought up these issues, so let's address them.

First, let's do our best to aim for some semblance of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|NPOV]]. Things considered by us to be good humored may not be taken that way by others. So yeah, try not to insult other sites, users, etc.

Harassment - yes, there are fuckwits on this wiki. There's fuckwits on any wiki. But don't point it out to them. People need to be able to edit without fear of harassment from others for their users. It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users. If they're stupid, just point it out and explain calmly why but telling them they're fuckwits is no way to do it. Srsly, I expect a bit more from you people. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur with the statement about NPOV. When i edit articles that's usually what I'm going for. The CWCville article was ridiculous and full of shit that just wasn't the case, as are a great many articles. People making jokes and idle speculation at the expense of reality.

So kids, keep the memes out, and if a facet of Chris' mind or life is an unknown leave it that way instead of inserting your own idle speculation. We're here to document the real CWC (and related fictions about CWC created by the real CWC), not to create our own CWC. [[User:DrShoggoth|Dr. Herodotus P. Shoggoth :Doktor of the Forbidden Sciences, Medallion Guardian, Imperial Emu, Emeritus of the Ancient and Justified Order of the Turtle]] 00:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

So, essentially, kill them gently? --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*I've been thinking that maybe the best solution at this point would be to prohibit any discussion of matters unrelated to Chris and the CWCki, even on your own user page. Thus, many of the members who had been harassed or whatever in the past would probably have never been targeted in the first place. Granted, I would prefer if we didn't have to limit the users right to say what they want, and it would certainly be a pain in the ass to enforce,but could potentially prevent most if not all of the harassment issues. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 21:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:*This wouldn't be an entirely bad idea, given that I know Wikipedia has basic rules about user pages, namely it's used to discuss one's contributions to Wikipedia and nothing more. Good thinking.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
*It might also help if suggesting that we resolve a bureaucratic issue without resulting to namecalling [[User_talk:DrShoggoth|didn't result in vague threats.]] --[[User:Star Platinum|Star Platinum]] 22:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
**agreed. I'm not exactly the biggest contributor on here, but even I've seen Delabonte threatening others for asking him to be a bit less abrasive in his messages, asking why exactly they were in trouble for something, or even not sharing the same opinion as him. Why does this guy get away with it? Also, I don't care if he's "respected by Cogs" as has been said, that doesn't mean he should be allowed to abuse his position, spam angry templates on other people's accounts just because he doesn't like them, and generally treat everyone else like shit. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::*I agree on this policy. This kind of harassment brings down CWCki's appearance in a whole. It makes us look less like a reputable source on an autistic manchild and more like a restricted community of threatening rep destruction and overenforced rules. There is no need to attack innocents just for casual talk or for living certain lifestyles, it's just plain wrong in general. Delabonte is just a person who feels privileged and like he needs to point out things about people and act like he needs to be a Jr. Mod of sorts. To be frank, this is annoying and just rude. I'm a member of many places, but never once have I done anything like go out and go "OH NO THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING '''MY''' RULES TEMPLATE ''TEMPLATE'' ''' ''TEMPLATE'' '''!" and not a lot of people here have before. It's inappropriate, immature and quite low IQed. So, in conclusion, and tl;dr: Agree with idea, down with empty threated non-mod steam-filled members. --[[User:Eniggy|Sen. John Eniggy, finishing opening statements for case on the Congressional floor]] 04:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::* Not to be a jackass or anything, but try and keep in mind where you are. This is a website dedicated to trolling an autistic manchild. Many of the people here are involved with other trolling operations and such. Lots of trolls like to target furrys. By ousting yourself as a furry here you're essentially making yourself a black man at a Ku Klux Klan rally. Not saying that all of this harassment should have occurred, but it certainly wasn't unforeseeable to the victims. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::*ThatMan has nailed why Delabonte and others feel warranted in acting like they do and this is pretty much the justification for some of Cog's and Clyde's actions here. Remember, this is a critical site of Chris, essentially out to troll him, and so you're not going to be attracting the same sort of people to edit as say, Wikipedia. I can talk to Delabonte about shit.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Actually, I'm not a furry (they scare me, to be quite honest- I'd sooner run through traffic and fling myself off a highway bridge than be one) but the point here, as shown by your post is, is about the exploits of Chris and the trolls who have trolled him, not a place for people to use trolling to vent their anger upon here. I don't support weeabooism, but I also don't support using CWCki as a stress ball. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 05:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Also, Chris is a particularly bad furry, so bashing them is arguably part of our mission. We shouldn't get carried away, but I don't think anybody would object to the occasional snippy comment. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 21:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== User pages for banned users ==

Anyone opposed to not having user pages for banned users? Seems to be taking up space and seems sorta silly. I once said something along the lines of "To serve an example" or something but now I think it's just a waste of space. Anyone opposed to deleting user pages of permanently banned user? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:No objections here. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Depends on the user. I see no problem in deleting some of IBAGeneva's accounts, but we should keep a couple of examples (maybe between five and ten?).--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] forgot to sign
:I would agree that we should just delete their pages so as to not waste space, but is there any way we could possibly mark that they were banned when their signature is shown on talk pages and stuff like that? I just feel like this would help prevent any potential confusion between users who are banned and users who don't have user pages. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 01:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*A short page about wby they were banned sounds good. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::That actually gives me a better idea, maybe their could be a page of banned users, with notes showing the reason for why they were banned. When a user is banned, their userpage could just be a redirect to this page.--[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:::fuck what I was about to say, the best balance between saving space and giving good examples of what not to do would probably be to do what ThatMan suggested. ThatMan, you have done a great service for the operation of the CWCki. I salute you, good sir. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 05:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
*Well that settles it. People, you have 24 hours to make a page (in the CWCki namespace) with a list of banned users and their rationale. In 24 hours, I will delete all the banned user userpages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I'll do what I can. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 11:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*My lord, it is [[CWCki:Banned_Users|done.]] --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 12:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Userboxes ==

I think the usage of them is getting a bit out of control.

As I see it:
# unless you have a very convincing reason why a userbox should be on the main namespace, it really should be on a user's subpage.
# we get rid of some of the categories of of userboxes - it's handy to know which CWCki users are also PVCC members, it's not quite as important to know which CWCki users practice martial arts.

Thoughts? Any justifications why we should keep userboxes as they are? Personally I'm tempted to say that we should make user boxes as part of one's user subpage or at least remove the categories for most of these.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think they need to be culled. Specifically, the ones that don't have anything to do with Chris.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 02:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Either way is fine. They're not exactly a big part of the site. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 15:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry about that. I'll keep my own userbox whoring under control. Just thought I was being clever at making more Chris jokes. (Keep in mind that I didn't add all those userboxes indicating race/gender/and religion, though I did modify the one for my own race.
:But I think the "Armchair psychologist" could be kept for some practical use, like a <s>barnstar</s> award for those who have contributed much analysis of Chris's mindset. --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 16:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just want to say here that armchair psychologists are not why we are here. We are here to document Chris, not theorise on his mindset. That stuff is okay in tiny doses but if you plan on doing it so often that you want a box for it, go to [[/cwc/]].--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think Nationality might be useful, if only to establish about what time said user would be active. But stuff like cats, or naive, etc. have no practical use. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 20:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Why not just have time zone stamps then? Honestly I've thought that these userboxes were stupid for a while, glad to see I'm not alone in that. Honestly only a select few of them really seem necessary. Other than ones related to staff positions held by certain members and perhaps something useful such as what Bill Lumberg brought up, none of them really serve any meaningful purpose. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 00:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*Obviously not all of them have to be useful, as some of them are just fun and a way to encourage people to edit the CWCki. A time zone stamp would be good, though the nationality userboxes tend to be more flavorful (i.e. it's funnier to say something about the fact you're an American than you live in GMT -5). Some could in theory be useful - if you're a drawfag, then people can ask you to draw stuff for articles and whatnot.
::::Problem people are having is that people are getting carried away - do people really need to know you're a Zoroastiarian? Do people need to know you're a weaboo who's into manga moreso than anime? I think in general, we need to work on making pages, in the style of Wikipedia, serve as a way of describing one's contributions ''to the CWCki,'' not just a "about yourself" page.
::::There's nothing wrong with the userboxes, like I said, it's people getting carried away is what seems to be troubling.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::So where do we draw the line? I think that's the real problem; there's no set limit to what the userboxes should be for. Having "flavorful" userboxes tends to be a gray area that needs some definition. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 16:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
* It should be pretty simple: keep the nationality boxes, Warrior, Observer, and the like, and the awards. We don't need to know if you're straight or gay or if you're Christian or atheist. We just need where you're from, and what you're doing here. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 17:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==Fuckwit Alert template ==

I propose we remove the Fuckwit Alert userbox or whatever it's called. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I am happy to do the removing myself--[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a good idea, go for it [[User:Notslowpoke|Notslowpoke]] 03:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ronichu, you can't remove shit here. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::*Correct. Neither can you. I'd just like to politely point out that '''you are not a mod here'''. I think it's high time you were either directly promoted to be one so you have a badge to go with that attitude (at which point you '''can''' cast down proclamations from on-high with righteous fury) or '''learn to accept that you are not a mod here''' and act accordingly. I'm not fussed either way. The overwhelming consensus from users (and some people who '''are''' mods), irrespective of if they have that userbox or not, seems to be that it should go. So unless an '''actual CWCki mod''' steps in and says not to, in a few days I'll start removing the userboxes from user pages. If you re-add it, it's page vandalism and will be treated accordingly (reverted). I have little patience for wanna-be mods acting like their big brother is the sheriff so they can just do what they please. This isn't PVCC, it isn't ED, it isn't a place for you to do whoever the fuck you want and go around posturing, making vague threats and acting like you own the place. '''You don't. Cogs does.''' If she wants you to to have unlimited power, she has that ability to grant it to you; if she grants it to you, all well and good. Then it's official. Her website, her decision. But until then the CWCki is ONLY about documenting and discussing Chris (and occasionally peripheral other stuff). So either get on with with the [[Chris|task at hand]], or get promoted and make your inane desires official policy, or go back to EDF/PVCC where you can be lord of all creation or whatever the fuck. PVCC and the CWCki have different mods and this is by design. TL;DR so either officially become a mod or '''shut up''' and behave yourself. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
{{Quote|It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users.|Champthom, on this very page.}}
Now obviously I'm not a admin or a Jerkop or PVCC or anything, but it seems to me that the fuckwit alert template causes way more problems than it solves.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
*It's very tedious for me when furries who have barely been here for six months act like they own the place and presume what Cogs does or doesn't think. I think what bothers you here is the fact although we are presumably "equals" (lol) I did something you never could, and excercised power you don't have. As has been pointed out before, I am just fufilling the wishes of the PVCC. May I remind you Cogs okayed the template and it hasn't been an issue until you brought it up now? If Cogs says take it down (and she might), well, then the template should be taken down. Until there they remain as a reminder for certain furries (who want to be big elite trolls) to back off a certain user. Go back to doing [[Sydney Contacts|piss poor imitations of women]], Ronichu. The only person making a big deal of this are those who have fallen under my hawk-like gaze. My mind is closed on the matter. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 16:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
**I'd like to point a few things out. First off, you've made 952 edits to this wiki in your 15-odd months here. That's 1.8 edits per day. Ronichu has made 842 edits in 6.5-ish months, which is 4.2 edits per day. Ronichu is known for devoting hours to transcriptions. You are well known for plastering the wiki with "Not a Forum" templates. I wouldn't overstate your influence here. While you may have done something which is vaguely useful at some point in the past, Ronichu has done far more for this wiki than you have and even Champ is getting fed up with your antics. Ronichu made a good point and I suggest you get off your high horse and learn something. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
***And I just want someone to explain to me what the fuck I did wrong to get the template, and why i'm also the target of all these vauge threats. I didn't even touch that "certain user". Check the entire page history; I've done jack shit to interfere. What is my crime, and at what point did I try to be a "big elite troll"? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 17:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*You probably got it because you [http://cogsdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coffee_Place&oldid=101640 posted on the Coffee Place talk page.] [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 18:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::So? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that I got this template for those two sentences. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 19:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

===Why I've banned Delabonte===
Delabonte '''was''' a good user. He's edited a lot and contributed to the CWCki. However, after receiving warnings on the CWCki and a PVCC thread discussing the CWCki, he continues to spend most of his time on the CWCki harassing users and enforcing arbitrary rules. Yes, some of you did do stupid stuff. However, telling them that they're "under watch" and whatnot is no way to do it. Cogs in the PVCC thread conceded that Delabonte went "too far" in some regards and others accused him of taking the CWCki more seriously than I do. I do take the CWCki seriously but I find that setting low but reasonable expectations of users leads to less frustration on my part.

People, some words of wisdom:
# read between the lines of what I or someone like Cogs or Clyde says, as it'll clue you into things.

# don't contact Chris or anyone you think might be Chris. Yes, I hate to break it to you but you're probably not going to get through and if you do you're going to piss people off. As I've discussed with Ronichu before, you can contribute to trolling Chris in a lot of different ways than trolling him directly. As he aptly put it, it's like the Air Force - only a tiny percentage of the Air Force actually flies planes, the rest are support. If it's any consolation, I've never directly trolled Chris (well, there was an IRC chat but that was one small instance) and I probably won't.

#try to contribute to CWCki. I do not mean to offend anyone by saying this, but please don't use CWCki as any of the following (not inclusive): a place to plug your fan work and not contribute anything else, a place to "express yourself", a place to attempt to troll Chris, a place to create drama, etc.

#rules are not always absolute on the CWCki. Cogs and Clyde have very different admining styles than I do. As I've said before, this is ultimately Cog's site so she gets to do what she wants and I really can't stop her and sometimes she does things that go against general policy. However, the nice thing about not having absolute rules is that they're flexible when they need to be. In any case, don't cite things I say when someone is being an ass because if they're being an ass, they probably don't give a shit about what I said a few months ago. Tell them why they're being an ass, how being an ass is not helping their cause, and that they should stop being an ass and you'll be getting farther along without creating drama.

You'll avoid pissing people like Delabonte off if you manage to follow these rules. If you have questions about stuff, feel free to ask people in IRC or contact me. In general, the adage of "LURK MOAR" holds true.

Delabonte is only banned for six months. Originally I planned for a year but I think six months is more sufficient. Hopefully he will use this break to reflect on things.

His general concern about the quality of CWCki editors is valid and his zeal in trolling Chris can be appreciated on some level, but his tactics of going about it have no place here. So yeah, let's cut this drama and get back to editing the CWCki. Time I spent writing this could have gone to something more worthwhile, like helping [[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] transcribe some Mumble chats.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you for this and everything else. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 02:55, 5 August 2010 (PDT)

==Hey faggots==
If we are all done arguing about templates and about who put one where and what not, there's a few long overdue transcriptions and shit that could be worked on. Quit being a bunch of drama queens, all of you. I don't give a shit how many edits you have, what you have produced or who fucking hates who. Take my fucking advice and work on community projects or your own projects and ditch that whole wall of text above. If any of you in the above section keep it up, I can guarantee that someone at the top is going to come along and yell at this shitload of faggotry. We need all of you here doing stuff.

Let me rephrase that slightly: we need all of you here doing something less dramatic and more helpful. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I completely agree. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 01:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a plan.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 01:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Feeding the trolls ==

To formalize this, feeding the trolls and vandals is strongly discouraged. Anyone who taunts, insults, etc. a troll no matter how much they really deserve it will be warned first, then banned temporarily on the second offense. Multiple offenses will be dealt with longer bannings. Just as a warning. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:05, 12 September 2010 (PDT)

==User talk pages==

I've been noticing [[user:Eniggy|quite]] [[User:Pfargtl9000| a few]] of you have been leaving unneeded messages on the talk pages of other users. While not a flagrant violation of CWCki rules, it's still something I feel should be avoided. If somebody is doing something you don't like, take it up with a jerkop and they will investigate any misconduct (these being shitty edits, forced content, ect). If you look at Champthom's topic above this one you will see that this topic runs along the same lines, only it extends to all user talk pages and not just those of vandals. It's best not to pick fights with other editors, because you're not just representing yourself when you make a post, you're representing the CWCki as a whole. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:30, 26 September 2010 (PDT)

== Contact Information ==

I feel the need to clarify our policies towards the posting of personal contact information (phone numbers, e-mail addresses, home address) of those who are in contact with Chris. The posting of said information is forbidden. Posting said information here voids the neutrality of the CWCki, changing it from a passive repository of Chris doings, to a base from which trolling attempts are launched. Please take this into consideration. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:52, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

== Video Upload Dates ==

Recently there seems to be some confusion over the upload dates of some videos. It's far easier to just go by the date specified on the YouTube video page - as that not only gives us a static point from which to base dates, but it is also the date when the video was uploaded, rather than when it finished processing. OH and did I mention that YouTube is in the same timezone as the CWCki? --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 18:19, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

== JenkinsJinkies Policy ==

JJ is not Chris. I believe that Chris is lying about being him. [[Wikipedia:sarcasm|I'm pretty sure he's a badass troll who hitchhiked from Boston at age fifteen. That's not so unbelievable, right?]]

Anyway, until we say otherwise, anything Chris says about being JJ is a [[Wikipedia:Truth|lie]]. We don't want to scare him off now, do we?

If this is too subtle for you, I can answer all your questions here: http://qchat.rizon.net/?&channels=%23cwcki-fun

Just remember, anything I tell you is to remain off of CWCki. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 20:49, 6 November 2010 (PDT)
:Ok, an update. Our best researchers have determined that JJ actually '''is''' Chris. '''SURPRISE'''
:So you can start putting [http://trollingtrain.10.forumer.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3 his posts from trollingtrain] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlVjW06MDk his application] on cwcki. Go, go and edit to the extreme! [[User:Canine|Canine]] 16:48, 30 January 2011 (PST)
::I'll start an article for the video if nobody else has yet. Any idea what it should be named/what it was named? I didn't save the original. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:09, 30 January 2011 (PST)
:::JenkinsJinkiesCwckiApplication.MOV [[User:Canine|Canine]] 17:28, 30 January 2011 (PST)

== Reminder about jerkop powers ==

As a reminder, jerkop powers are '''limited to dealing with vandalism''' , as per my [[CWCki:Community_Portal/Archive_5#Memorandum_on_Jerkop_powers|memo on Jerkop powers]]. By vandalism, we take a page from Wikipedia by stating that vandalism is a deliberate attempt at violating the integrity of CWCki. CrassCrab has been using his jerkop powers as editorial influence which he had no right to do. He will be banned until 00:00 GMT Christmas day (his sentence was originally a week but 'tis the season and whatnot) which should give him time to reflect. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:29, 23 December 2010 (PST)

== Shut down the CWCki to selected users ==
all we get is stupid edits, i think we have 90% bad edits and 10% good edits now. there is no new information. the only thing we can do now is refine old articles and people are doing a bad job of it because speculation is gay and i hate you all etc. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 21:24, 16 January 2011 (PST)
:I'm actually kind of interested in this idea, but I have three questions. 1. On what scale do you want to measure good/bad edits? 2. Who keeps their accounts? 3. How do people without accounts apply for one (assumedly, it would be possible to do this because otherwise when people left, the editor base wouldn't replenish itself)? I mean, preventing retarded edits is obviously a good idea, but if it's "we'll just ban a couple retards and prevent new accounts", that might prove counterproductive. Some of the more recent new accounts actually have improved the wiki, even if only in a small way. On the other hand, if it's "ban everyone except for 4 or 5 people", the integrity of the wiki would be preserved, but new content/revision of articles would also be a slower process and, as some recent edits have shown, there have been a lot of typos/oversights in old articles that prove that the wiki still isn't perfect. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 02:14, 17 January 2011 (PST)
*No Clyde, this is a bad idea and goes against wiki standards. I do think we need to work on style, that is what should go in an article and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:43, 17 January 2011 (PST)

== User page and talk page policy discussion ==

Recent events have made me think that perhaps we should consider our policy in regards to user pages and user talk pages.

Generally, one has been free to do with one's user page as they want within reason (i.e. not use it as a pastebin or something like that). In regards to use talk pages, I've found that while it's encouraged that you keep all comments posted on there available for good form, one is free to remove comments.

Now here's the problem with user pages. Sometimes people use them to "express" themselves and well, shit like [https://789chan.org/cwc/res/35641.html this] goes down. While I do my best to make CWCki a safe environment where people can edit freely without fear, I cannot protect everyone from being trolled themselves. So I think we need to discuss a new user page policy, perhaps limiting to CWCki related projects.

Likewise, user talk pages. Obviously one is free to remove trolling, but some people think comments should be preserved.

So, what do you all think of this? Obviously, I'd like to solicit some discussion before anything is implemented so let's discuss what you all think about user pages and talk pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:42, 2 February 2011 (PST)
:I think editing other people's comments, where ever they might be, is pretty faggy and shouldn't be tolerated.
:But people shouldn't be harassed either. I would say that we can't trust people to only remove comments that "cross the line". They'll be more likely to get offended at personal comments. Conflict of interest and whatnot. Perhaps they can complain to an admin? [[User:Canine|Canine]] 19:54, 2 February 2011 (PST)

I think a good policy is to get a little tougher on the relevance of the CWCki to Chris. Essentially if an edit doesn't in some way relate to Chris, or an article on the wiki, then should it really be made? That said, here are my suggested guidelines:

- "Apolitical": The CWCki is apolitical. While discussion of Chris's stunted views on politics (and those around him) is permitted, it's not a place to push your own agendas. ("Chris, like all lefty pinko welfare state advocates, has no idea about how taxes work", "Bob, like all fascist, warmongering Republicans, hates brown people" etc etc).

- "The Snowflake Rule": The CWCki doesn't care about you. You are not a precious snowflake. Even if it focuses on Chris, don't link to your personal website, your webcomic, hat store, ED page, whatever. It might be [[Asperchu|absolutely brilliant]], but it has no place being 'pushed' here. Don't compare yourself to Chris, nor dump your own embaressing personal information here. Nobody cares you have autism. Nobody cares you're also a virgin with rage. See Not A Forum.

- "Hornet's Nest": The CWCki is frequented by trolls. A lot of trolls. Despite a firm anti-harassment policy, if you choose to kick the hornets nest, it can't protect you from being stung. Be polite, don't push your own agendas, contribute meaningfully and selflessly, and harden up. You don't have to have the last word.

All I got for now. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 14:16, 4 February 2011 (PST)

== Question About Articles on trolls ==

Kind of a newfag so this question may have been asked before, but its been on my mind. I can understand why topics on Trolls don't have 'real' information (Such as the TRUE and HONEST CWC) as thats outside of the purviews of wiki and isn't at all necessary. But I think there should be disclaimers on articles that are 'In-Troll'. Not that I don't think that readers can't read between the lines (or recognize the blatantly obvious), I'm just a bit OCD and would like there to be more internal consistency (for example the article on Autism says its painfully obvious the TRUE and HONEST CWC isn't, while several claim he is).--[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 20:05, 20 February 2011 (CST)
*I think the issue is that the articles get written when it's still relevant e.g. creating the Jackie article while she was still in the picture. Since Chris might browse the CWCki at any time, the articles have to not give shit away. Because nobody is really sure when the people stop being important (because nobody knows what Chris will do), the articles never get rewritten. That's just my take on it, but I don't know if that's right or not. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 07:52, 21 February 2011 (PST)
**Well there's supposed to be an improvement drive, and it's looking like the days of trolling CWC have come to an end. I think this should be considered for improvement. I'm not saying there needs to be any sort of Real-life behind the scenes bullshit for the trolls, I don't want that. But just a bit more consistency between articles would be good. --[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 16:15, 21 February 2011 (CST)

== The Wallflower policy and extending it ==

I think we should formalize The Wallflower policy. Someone who's up to it, write up a policy regarding using [[The Wallflower]] on here, namely how it was at her request. Ideally the person who gets around to writing this would go through the community portal and the Wallflower article talk page to understand the specifics of the policy. Try and do the best that you can and I can fill in the gaps. [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] wrote a good one a while ago but I can't find it. Whoever gets around to it, post it [[CWCki:The Wallflower|here]].

I have been thinking, I think that we may want to extend this policy. Not so much that we change all of Chris's friend's article names, but namely removing personal references from articles, namely current MySpace pages, that sort of thing. I have a feeling that Chris might be using the CWCki to stalk his gal pals and I'd prefer not to enable Chris. However, I'd like to get some feedback before we did anything with it, so thoughts on personal info on pages? Should pages have references to current career statuses, MySpace/Facebook accounts, etc.? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:42, 7 March 2011 (PST)

== Public Domain Certification ==

Not sure if this should go under policy or technical or whatever, but I'll put it here.

I noticed that this website is under Public Domain, but when you click on the link at the bottom, it takes you to a Creative Commons page that says the Public Domain Certification is retired and should no longer be used. Apparently it should be replaced with a "CC0 Public Domain Dedication and Public Domain Mark" according to the website. I'm wondering if that's actually necessary or if just putting "Content is available under Public Domain." at the bottom of the page is good enough. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 14:07, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
*I'd talk to [[User:Cogsdev|Cogs]] about that. We're sorta liberal on copyrights, and most of the stuff uploaded here probably couldn't be considered public domain under the strict definition. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:05, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
* The long and short of it is that public domain ''as a concept'' is still OK if you're just looking at the United States, but Creative Commons wants to promote the CC0 dedication as a global alternative, because not all countries have the concept of public domain. (For example, I'm in Finland, and technically I'm not allowed to renounce copyrights on my works. But I absolutely don't care what people do with my CWCki contributions. So there. =) So if CWCki stays on PD, it's not a huge issue. Saying the material is explicitly CC0 would just clarify legal issues for non-US contributors. Also, as Champ says, we have stuff that definitely ''is'' copyrighted. We'd need some sort of a clear legal policy that dictates what material is and what material isn't covered by this, but it's another matter altogether if people would want to work on such policy. (Takes away time from productive stuff. Crafting elaborate copyright policies might make people look like CWC-obsessed geeks. And so on and so forth. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 04:01, 9 August 2011 (PDT)

== De-memeing the CWCki ==

You know, as I continue to contribute to the CWCki, I often see things in a new way. One such thing is the use of memes on the CWCki. Now I've always been alright with appropriate use of memes, as trolls are our primary readership so it makes sense to have cultural references that are relevant to them. But on the other hand, I've come to realize that this might be lazy. Instead of coming up with our own jokes or utilizing the many rich and unique Chris related memes, we're just stealing jokes from elsewhere. I also feel that it affects our credibility, as speaking in troll parlance makes us seem biased towards trolls.

So pretty much what I'd do is try to remove as many memes as possible - getting rid of reaction images (which, IMHO, are a waste of space and just lazy), changing "Sauces" to "References", that sort of thing. Obviously keeping references to memes that are appropriate to understanding Chris related phenomena.

As this is a rather large policy proposal, I'd like to have some people's thoughts on the matter. Personally I think it'd be an extension of [[CWCki:NOTED|"CWCki is not ED"]] but I'd rather ask other people what they think since like I said, it's a big policy move and some people like memes.

Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:10, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
*YES. DEAR GOD YES. I don't have a problem with most memes, but some of this shit is getting way out of hand. "Reaction images" are not funny anyway, and when I rewrote [[Chris and religion]] I found no less than ''three'' of them in quick sucession, and I couldn't even remove them all because they were the ONLY images for that particular section of the article. I'm always changing "sauces" to "references" anyway, because for some reason it's extremely prevalent, (and by the way Champ, don't think I don't know you started that annoying trend. You and me will be having words later). I would also like to remind people of the previous state of the [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] article, which I like to call the CWCki's malignant tumour, and remind you all that until recently we had a page about a fucking Advice Dog spinoff. Like I said, I don't have a problem with memes, if they're funny at least, but all this stuff that you're talking about like the reaction images is just shit that's clogging up the toilet. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:59, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*'''I agree.''' Memes that die are often used incorrectly, without or out of any funny context. Reaction images are something that stuck when Chris was pumping out videos, however, like you said, they are lazy and only clog the toilet. In the article Champthom had shown, we are not here for "epic lulz", nor are we trying to be biased towards the Trolls. We only bash Chris when there is proof to merit it. So I agree that we could take out a few memes that are just kinda there, without purpose. I am curious what you guys think, too. [[User:Ash link|Ash link]] 09:17, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*When someone who has "Meme" in their name makes a case against memes, you know they have something to say. Well since I haven't heard any strong arguments for keeping the status quo, I think we should go about de-memeing the CWCki. I'll reword the "not ED thing to relate to this. I'm not going to ban every use of a meme, just strongly discourage it and avoid it as a matter of style. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:45, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*I guess I see your point, but put thought into it before deleting. I admit 3 face palms on the religion article is a bit much, but 1 face palming religious figure I feel is needed. I guess if the meme Really fits it should stay. Like Paul reacts to chris' video I feel is very appropriate, or the bitches and whores pic on the one article is okay, because its right next to the part where chris starts saying women don't do this this and this, but they do. So yeah overkill and needless placement of some should be scraped, but chris gets trolled by memes and internet related culture alot, id like to delve further, but im at work posting this from a phone. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 09:23, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*Oh wow. It's actually happened. We can at last look forward to a brighter future with less ED inspired retardery on these pages. No more dumb reaction images everywhere. The CWCki is blessed this day comrades. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:09, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

*167 pages use "Sauces", can admins use some kind of shortcut to change them all at once? [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 04:30, 5 October 2011 (PDT)

== Removal of "Reaction Images" ==

There is an abundance of tangentially related "reaction images" in almost every article. In an attempt to streamline the wiki and free up some space, I suggest we trim the fat by removing reaction images and cheap Photoshops. As an example: [[100 2269|This article]], everything goes. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 22:56, 18 September 2011 (PDT)
*Well given at least two people have been in favor for this, why not? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:43, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Endorse this policy. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:58, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
**Well, I'll just get started then. I'm going to be fairly zealous about removing images and marking them for deletion. If it's just an image for a pun, or joke, it's going. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 12:13, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Note that my endorsement of this policy is purely for images unrelated to Chris, such as random celebrity "reactions". Not that we have many, but any which are of Chris and/or his family should probably stay. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:20, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
:*Double note: I have a working tool which will help make the process of mass deletions easier. Once I get canine to run a maintenance script on the CWCki, I will use the tool to help delete the images with as little effort as possible. Note that this tool is manually operated and each deletion is manually checked - but just thought I'd mention it to prevent any RSI from anyone who was thinking of undertaking a completely manual deletion process. Good work on the tagging so far though. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:30, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

== User page policy ==

I've implemented a policy on [[CWCki:User pages|user pages]]. If anyone feels they can elaborate on it, by all means do so. I've noticed though that a lot of the people getting trolled on /cwc/ were brought to their attention through their user pages on the CWCki which is why I'm tightening down on user page content, as I'd rather not see people get trolled. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:20, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*I thought trolling was okay as long as it didn't actually happen on CWCki? I've got to see Champ, I am disappoint. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:12, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*We've had...issues in the past. This policy is purely something we can point to and fall back on if we need to. I've added a section on the rules about editing user pages. It's a fairly simple rule - if it isn't your own user page, you most likely shouldn't be editing it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:07, 23 September 2011 (PDT)

==New Fan Works Policy==
Now before anyone goes apeshit, I don't mean bringing back the fan section. That thing is better off dead. I want to open a discussion on our policy with relation to fan videos and fan art used on this wiki for articles. We have a lot of this stuff on our pages, and the quality varies considerably. I was inspired to do this when a user called [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]], (a man after my own heart), went on a crusade to cut all the faggotry out of the CWCki. In his edits, he removed a lot of fan art and fan videos, and for that reason some users saw fit to revert his edits. Thing is, I agreed with him. Those images and videos often were just stupid and pointless, particularly the ones on the [[homos]] article that seemed to serve no other purpose than to go "LOL CHRIS IS GAY WHAT A FAG LOLOLOLOLOL".

However, even though I reverted them back so that the fan videos were removed, the opposition did make some good arguments in favour of them. Particularly since one image was actually an Artist's Commune commission and some of the videos on the Bob Chandler page were tributes. For that reason I spared those. What I'm getting at, is that we need a cover-all policy about fan art and fan videos that can allow us to remove or at least move the faggy stuff and keep in the stuff that's relevant and serves a purpose. And no, we can't just keep everything. CWCki is not free advertising for your shitty Chris remix on [[Youtube]], or a place to dump your manga interpretation of Sonichu.

That said, begin discussion. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 02:33, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*There was once a time where I pretty much allowed anything in terms of fan art. However, around the time some user uploaded very bizarre pics that looked like a 3 year old did them in MS Paint with bizarre summaries like "lol rosechu has been very bad" made me reconsider it. Generally, my rule of thumb is that if it illustrates a Chris related concept, it has merit on the CWCki. Now there's probably stuff on here that doesn't meet these qualifications specifically. I think that there's some very good fan art out there by very talented artists and I think they merit a place on the CWCki. For instance, I just uploaded a picture of Chris doing a self portrait ala Normal Rockwell. It doesn't strictly illustrate a Chris related topic but you gotta admit it's pretty good. I'd like to see more artists contribute to the CWCki so we can have some original content to illustrate Chris related topics. But what I'm not crazy about is when articles will have art for the sake of having art or (one of my peeves) huge ass sections in video articles with various remixes and stuff. True, there are some great fan remixes and such but when there's like 20 of them on a given page, that's hella annoying.
:The problem of fan art is that I really don't want to judge fan art's merit based on whether it's "good" or not, as that's mostly an aesthetics issue and I'm no art critic, so I think it ultimately has to come down to whether it illustrates a Chris related topic or not.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:57, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*In this case I think we need to set a standard as to what relates to a topic and what doesn't, but I think quality needs to be a factor as well. Having poor MS Paint drawings used as an image article just makes a page in general look bad. Let's take something easy with lots of images relating to it for an example. [[The Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail]]. Look through the gallery, and tell me what you think would and would not be appropriate as an image on that page. And on an unrelated note, I would like to request that I be promoted to some position that will allow me to delete files, because god fucking damnit look at the last image of that gallery. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:38, 28 January 2012 (PST)

*Hello, this is what I think are the problems when it comes to images;

1. '''Pictures of icons "reacting" to Chris.''' There is really no point to this, we know Chris is stupid, I don't think an impromptu picture of Lucille Ball is going to affect anyone but the idiot who posted it.. Actually I would go so far to say no pictures of people unrelated to Chris unless they are there to truly prove a point (like having a picture of Leonard Bernstein on the [[Christopher's name change]] page).

2. '''Pictures that only Weaboos/Bronys/Sonicfags/Etc. Can Understand''' This is bad because it embarrasses the CWCki by bringing the A-log type people who inhabit the CWCki to light. We want to look better than Chris, not on the same level.

3. '''Good images?''' If an image is actually ''good'' there is really no reason why it shouldn't be on here (IF it is actually Chris fan work). If an image is a shitty photoshop and funny then keep it too.

Thank you very much. I'm sorry if I caused any chaos earlier. [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]] 13:37, 29 January 2012 (PST)
:We actually don't allow reaction images anymore. They were in almost every article and they just aren't funny. I thought we had them all by this point, but I guess some slipped through the net. The other points I can also agree with, but I think they're a bit too vague to actually make a policy about. I think the unspoken rule is that uploading your own artwork to the CWCki is generally a bad idea. Upload it to some other site, and if people like it, it'll end up here anyway. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 14:19, 29 January 2012 (PST)
*With regards to point three, I think we need a place to compile the images that come under that "good image" definition, e.g. all the stuff that is considered good or funny like our current picture of the now but that we can't put in any other articles, and from then on either something goes into an article, goes into that page, or we delete it for being useless and faggy. Right now we just have a category for fan art, and that's cluttered with loads of fan works and crap that survived the purge or reaction images that have been removed but no-one ever got around to deleting, which speaking of which someone really should. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:19, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Month articles ==

I made a post about this on [[2013]] and I'm not sure if anyone will bother to read this, but here goes - I think for 2013, we should just have the 2013 article and have months as subsections, like the 1990s articles. If, by some remote chance, Chris comes back to the Internet and posts daily, then we can always make separate articles for each month. But while he's being a recluse and we might get one minor update a month, if we're lucky, I don't see the point of having an entire article for a month if it just has one thing like "Chris changed his Facebook profile image" or something like that. I bring this up because I know people in the past thought it was helpful to make month articles in advance but I don't think that's the case. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:32, 30 December 2012 (PST)

== Chris's gender ==

So it appears to be confirmed that Chris now considers himself a woman and prefers to be referred to as such, which brings up to the issue of whether we are to refer to Chris as a man or a woman in terms of pronouns.

Obviously people have strong opinions and biases on each side, but we need to remember that regardless of what your opinion on the issue of transgenderism is, it's really not our position to judge whether Chris is actually transgendered or not. However, I think we do need to consider at what point is it acceptable to refer to someone as their preferred gender - is it just by saying you're transgendered? Is it when you start doing therapy? There's obviously social protocol about this which I'm not sure. From what little I understand, I believe you're supposed to refer to people by whatever gender they prefer and not to question their motives.

I'm inclined to say we refer to Chris as a "she." I'm not a big fan of that idea personally, it'll be a shitload of work to rework all the articles to reflect this, but again, this isn't about my personal views on the matter but rather what's best to provide at least somewhat neutral, less-biased information about Chris. This is why I think we need a "Chris and gender" issue as it's getting more complicated than the little section we have in [[Chris and sex]] which mostly reflects less relevant information we knew about Chris and how he viewed his gender.

It might be prudent, I think to maybe wait a month or so before we do anything. There is a chance Chris will decide to be referred to as a man for some reason and for that reason, it might be worth a wait to see if he wants to be referred to by female pronouns. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 02:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:No, you're right on the issue. As much as we bash Chris, his gender is his own, and we have to respect that to some degree. I'm perfectly fine to fix any pronoun/grammatical change where it's needed, but I think we should wait until about January before deciding.

:There's also a few new articles that need to be made, as the 'cat/dog' spambox seems to have stopped working; including a page for the upcoming [[2015]]. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 5:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:Also, we severely need to add a page about that brushfire video Chris made in October or November! --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:I say wait for it until January like what Boomhauer posted, but there's one point I think I should refer Chris as a "she" for now which is the Facebook post where William refers Chris as "her". [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 06:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

:The relationship between the CWCKi and Chris is a hostile one, so I don't think we should concern ourselves with the courtesy of Chris' pronoun preferences. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 00:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

::Not quite; if anything, the CWCki has been (or at least now is) dedicated simply to documenting Chris, not provoking. In fact, there's been a lot of de-a-logging for old articles, recently, albeit a few jabs here and there are fine, when in proper context. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 21:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:::Nah, it hosts his private info, including his nudes. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 22:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

::::And even more articles outlining his lifestyle and psyche; what's your point? That we have pictures of him in his tighty-wighties? [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 1:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

::::A lot of that stuff has been released by third parties or often times, Chris himself. It's not really our fault if Chris is a poor judge of character. The goal has always been just to document, a lot of the confrontation with Chris were more or less due to efforts to appease certain people but the ideal has always been to be a neutral party in all this. We still have work to do in this regard but in any case, our position is not outright hostility and I'd like to reflect this by doing whatever's appropriate to refer to Chris's preferred gender.
::::As an update, it looks like Chris is referring to himself (herself?) as "Christine" on Miiverse or whatever, but still "Christian" on Facebook. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

:::::Chris hates the CWCki, and the CWCki is the primary repository for cocks that are invasions of his privacy. Are we really going to pretend anything otherwise? XD

:::::But anyways, I don't think the burden is on us to re-write the pronoun usage on the entire CWCki because of Chris' recent decision. Maybe stuff going forward, but that would probably be confusing. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 10:19, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

:I think we should simply refer to him as a man, for now at least. It'd take quite a bit of work, going back and retconning gender pronouns, and even then, do we refer to him as female consistently, or only after he began identifying as a woman? Not to mention, Chris is of course really whimsical - what appear to be strongly held convictions of his can cave overnight, sometimes with very little impetus - look at his U-turn on drinking, and lesbians (admittedly, that one has vacillated a bit, and was always quite a bit more nuanced). [[User:Lysistrata|Lysistrata]] ([[User talk:Lysistrata|talk]]) 02:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

===Update===
According this latest [[January_2015_Facebook_posts#I_will_force_respect_out_of_others|Facebook post]], Chris specifically requests to be referred to with female pronouns. The intention of the CWCki is not confrontational with Chris and I've done my best to keep the CWCki from being used as a tool to troll Chris. Some people have in the past but it that was because my protests were ignored.

Usually when I'm not sure how to approach a wiki based issue, I look to a site like Wikipedia to see how they handle it as to see what sort of precedent exists. Probably the most notable case is the case with [[Wikipedia:Chelsea Manning|Chelsea Manning]] (formerly Bradley Manning) where there was a huge debate over how to handle the article when Bradley announced he is transgendered and wishes to be referred to as Chelsea. The issue of timing of when to refer to Chris as a "he" or a "she" was brought up and based on that article, the article describes "she was born..." as opposed to "he was born..." even though biologically she was born with male genitallia.

Again, the CWCki's place is not to piss off Chris directly or intentionally at least. It's always been to inform people with an attempt to be impartial through with a healthy dose of criticism. I realize that many people have strong opinions about transgenderism in each way or the other, but it's not really our place to let our personal opinions determine policy. The common decency thing is to refer Chris by his preferred pronoun (I apologize for using "his," old habits die hard) as you would anyone who announces they're transgendered.

I think our case is a bit more complicated than the Chelsea Manning article on Wikipedia. The article was just one article and maybe a few related articles that might have referred to as Manning, whereas we're dealing with changing pronouns in just about all of the over 1000 articles on this wiki. It'll take an effort to change every single masculine pronoun referring to Chris to a feminine one. We've waited a month and it seems like Chris is very serious about his female identity, he's made comments like "no operation yet" and this is no longer just something crazy he's doing to attract women.

So here's a few options we could do:

1) Go through each and every article, change masculine pronouns to feminine in reference to Chris. My concern here is any edit wars over those who insist that Chris be referred to as a man and with thousands of articles in question, it could be nasty and more work for poor admins like [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan]].

2) We leave the pronouns as they are. We however have a disclaimer in one of the policy pages that says that while we acknowledge that Chris prefers to be referred to as a woman and female pronouns, for the sake of simplicity, we will leave pronouns just the same. Henceforth, we would start referring to Chris by female pronouns.

Again, this is a huge policy decision, probably the biggest one we've ever had. That's why I'm kinda coming out of my inactivity to bring this. If we do go with a massive change of all the pronouns, I will even contribute towards the effort. As this is a major policy decision, I'd like to see what editors feel should be done about the matter. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 10:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

* I say go with option 2. If possible, I don't mind having the disclaimer at the main page too. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

* Between these two options I would go with the second one. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 10:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC) '''Edit:''' To add to my comments in the above discussion, I would also opine that if we were creating this wiki tomorrow, we might use female pronouns, but the bulk of the wiki is already extant. To use another analogy, if I was writing a new book about Chris, I might use the female pronouns, but if I was just publishing a second edition of a book I wrote a year ago, with some updates, I wouldn't go through and change all the pronouns. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 22:10, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*The problem with option 1 is that ''Chris'' has historically identified as a "STRAIGHT MALE" who exhibited major homophobia up until 2014. Retroactively changing all his pronouns around with that kind of context still present would confuse the shit out of people. Plus you still have the crapton of people who refer to him as "he" after his announcement anyway for whatever reason. <s>I say we wait and see what jail he goes to.</s> My vote would be for option 2, with cautious editing from that point on, I guess. [[User:Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) 11:08, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*I say option 2. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 15:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*To add some meat to the discussion, let's allow for '''discussion until 26 January.''' I figure two weeks is ample time while not letting discussion drag out too long. I want to set a deadline so we're not discussing this and then failing to do anything as we don't know when to end discussion and when to act. Then we can determine the best course of action based on the general consensus of editors.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 17:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

::I'd think it's best at this point to postpone the discussion until after Chris's hearing in [[February 2015|February]]. Since he's more than likely to land himself in quite a bit of trouble, his perspective of the whole thing might change; not unlike [[Homos|previous times]]. I, personally, would still support changing the pronouns, but again, it's up to Chris in the end, and he isn't very good at [[Chris and hypocrisy|keeping to his word]] on transgenderism. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 19:27, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

:::If this case is like the last one, he'll get another continuance in February. Such a significant decision about the wiki shouldn't hinge on just a single event in Chris' life, anyway. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 22:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

:::::Realistically, he's not going to spend most of the year in prison. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 07:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2. That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent. For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

[[User:Champthom|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]], for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, I think it's gotten to the point where Chris is quite serious about his new identity, i.e. almost always referring to himself as 'Christine', now. I'm still a bit skeptic as to whether he's being very [[Honest Content|honest]] about being a trans-woman, but nonetheless it's only polite we refer to Chris using feminine pronouns (and as Christine, when using her full name) for any new or ongoing articles. And, of course, the disclaimer, as previously mentioned, addressing that fact. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 00:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

====Further update====
I was sorta holding out to see if anything happened, but I've been really bad at keeping track of this. I have no idea how reputable this is, but at least according to someone on Kiwi Farms, they [https://kiwifar.ms/threads/sept-2014-chris-answers-name-change-and-pronoun-questions.9012/ contacted Chris] who indicated that he doesn't mind being referred to as either pronoun though he has a slight preference for being referred to as a woman. I'm not sure if anyone has been referring to him as a woman, I can't imagine too many new pages being made. It looks like the main [[Chris]] article mentions it in passing. I have no idea what the protocol is on this, I guess we might as well be status quo if Chris doesn't have a strong preference to be referred to by one gender exclusively. I don't know if this is even accurate but it could be plausible. In any case, we should maybe just see about asking Chris in the future when it comes to things like this. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 06:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

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== Champ, I mean it now ==
When I come on here and see that people like [[User talk:Steve Landcleamer|this mouthbreather]] have been fucking with pages while being told not to and spamming pictures of furry porn that we for some reason allow on here, and yet I have the power to neither delete the image or ban the sperg, it cuts me deep. I'm on here often enough and I've already contributed a lot to the wiki. Can you throw some Jerkop powers my way so I can sort this shit out in future? We don't have nearly enough active mods and this place seems to have this kind of shit all the time. I mean this seriously Champ, I think the CWCki could benefit a lot from more Jerkops. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:09, 20 April 2012 (PDT)
:Before you answer him, Champ, keep in mind that I've also been here a long time and am also actively contributing; so if you decided to give Old meme jerkop rights, I sure would appreciate receiving them as well. Just saying. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 09:24, 20 April 2012 (PDT)

*You both make good points. Could you point out the furry image though, the only image I've seen by him is that picture of Chris ejaculating on Anna's face, which I've incidentally deleted because I don't think it really improves the Anna article. Anyways, about quality in general - I've discussed this issue with Anonymax, and this goes for the both of you, that as regular users you have all the tools needed to improve the quality of the CWCki. If there's an incidence such as an edit war going on, you're welcome to ask any of the admins to step in to resolve the issue. For these reasons, I don't think it's needed to add more jerkops or admins for these reasons. However, if it ever got out of control, then I would consider making someone a quality control jerkop to enforce quality standards. However, I think for the most part you all have the tools you need, just keep making good edits and reverting shit like you have been doing and I think that should be sufficient.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:11, 20 April 2012 (PDT)
**He's probably talking about [[:Image:Sonichu.jpg|this picture]], which was spammed on [[CWCki:Privacy policy]]. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 23:46, 20 April 2012 (PDT)

== Deletion of Fail; Effects ==

Would it be necessary to organize a project of some kind to remove red "fail" pipes from pages across the CWCki? --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 11:27, 23 April 2012 (PDT)
*[http://www.sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Special:WhatLinksHere/Fail&limit=500 Here they all are]. Clean them at your leisure. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 11:57, 23 April 2012 (PDT)
:[[User:Anonybot|Anonybot]] is working on it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 14:41, 23 April 2012 (PDT)

Fail article deleted, stupid page names corrected, Champ finally got around to deleting the furry porn. It's been a good week. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:39, 24 April 2012 (PDT)
*At least SOMEONE is happy.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:18, 25 April 2012 (PDT)

==Why did you delete the article on Kim?==
She is as notable as any of the gal pals, and all the info IS public, coming from the Kacey calls.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 23:03, 4 May 2012 (PDT)
*How do you know the Kim from the Kacey calls is the same Kim Wilson? Kim is a fairly common name. You're also assuming a lot of things, like Kim is ScarletSanctum when you have no proof of that, and you're including a lot of things that are rumors like how some apology video was because Kim was upset. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:04, 4 May 2012 (PDT)

*1. Chris states her name is Kim Wilson in one of the Kacey calls.
*2. ScarletSanctum is Kim's youtube handle, as stated in [[SingStar Challenge]].
*3. Chris addresses in that video that he upset Kim and Kacey with the previous video.

And if the name was an issue why not just redirect the page to "Kim"?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 23:17, 4 May 2012 (PDT)
*How do you know that ScarletSanctum is Kim? Does Chris explicitly mention it? Also does Chris specifically say Kim in that video in that it upset her? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:23, 4 May 2012 (PDT)

Chris does explicitly mention it. Look at this dialouge in [[Kacey Call 1]]:
*Chris: Yeah. So you know uh, Kim, you know uh, how she, uh, yeah you know, uh, Kim, I actually heard that Kim and her friend Logan actually live in the Charlton area close to the downtown mall, you know? So if you ever wanted to look her up and, you know, just talk to her, you know, find about more about the impostor for me, or you know, see what her opinion of me is on the Internet from her point of view...
*Kacey: Oh, you want me to do some undercover stuff? Chris, that is so sweet of you! You know how much I wanted to get involved.
*Chris: Oh yeah, sure. You know that ScarletSanctum account? That's hers.
*Kacey: Okay, no, I will totally, totally message her. It's Kim Woods, you said?
*Chris: No, Kim Wilson. Totally. Message her, talk to her all about me.

As far as making the video in response to offending Kim, he also implicitly states this:

"Uh, I dedicate this video to uh, Logan. Boyfriend of my gal-pal, Kim. Yeah, anyway uh, I've--I just wanted to uh, apologize for uh...offending you in anyway"

He could also be referring to offending Logan, but either way why through the baby out with the bathwater?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 23:35, 4 May 2012 (PDT)
*Let me think about it. In the meantime, I've made a [[User:Steve Landcleamer/Kim|subpage]] for you in the meantime.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:39, 4 May 2012 (PDT)

So is there any hold up or is the page good to go? I've answered all your questions and it seems to meet all the requirements.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 16:32, 5 May 2012 (PDT)
*Don't you think it might be a little bit imprudent to make a page about Kim?--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:58, 5 May 2012 (PDT)

*Why would it be imprudent? All the information is public and sourced. All the other gal pals have pages, so what would the problem be?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 18:37, 5 May 2012 (PDT)

*Well?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 20:39, 7 May 2012 (PDT)
*Good God, first learn some patience, this isn't a life and death issue. Second of all, let me put it this way - in your own words, the supposed Kim calls are unreleased. Why do you think that is?--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:18, 8 May 2012 (PDT)

Because "she"'s obviously still trying to troll Chris. Regardless, that's beside the point, while the calls haven't been released, all the information in the article has. You initially deleted it under the guise that is was "Not notable, not based on public information", but we both know that that's clearly not the cause. My page seemed to meet all the guidelines, so based on Cwicki guidelines, what is objectionable about it?

I'm sorry if I seem impatient, I just find this quelling of already public information to be pretty ridiculous and counter productive to the CWCki.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 14:43, 8 May 2012 (PDT)
*Based on my discussions with Canine and Anonymax, I have decided to restore the article. Remember, the CWCki is form Chris's POV so Kim isn't a troll, she has not publicly declared herself to be a troll to Chris. I'd also avoid posting on /cwc/ and CWCki Forums when you make an article on a delicate topic like this.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:09, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

===If I may step in and say a piece===
I know I may not be towing the party line by saying this Champ, but Land has a point here. This is all information that was technically on the wiki anyway, just in out of the way places. Personally, I have no problem with covering things up for trolling purposes, because I understand the need to do so and I'm not one to whine about dang dirty stonecutters, but we have information on Kim here already. I don't care which side of the fence you're on Champ, I'll just go with what you say, but you've got to at least be consistent. Either allow the article outright, or if you object to some of the content in the article being made public, censor it and then allow the censored version to be posted. Your decision is final and no-one would be able to stop you, so I don't know what you're worried about. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:22, 9 May 2012 (PDT)
*True, I realize this, but the issue is that there's a good reason that Kim doesn't already have an article, mostly for [[A_Quick_Guide_to_CWCki#Privacy|privacy reasons]] which is indeed already covered. I'm trying to convey that subtly. Remember, Chris reads the CWCki, and loose lips sink ships. I don't think "we" released the Kacey calls, Canine tells me it was all dropped by Liquid's twin brother so it's not like we were able to filter through everything to see if anything was objectionable.

:This is a difficult decision and I need to discuss it with Canine a bit more, unfortunately we have conflicting schedules so I'll try and catch him tonight.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:31, 9 May 2012 (PDT)

==Chris's POV==
*Thank you for restoring the Kim article. I am wondering something concerning what you said about the cwicki supposed to be from Chris's point of view. Why do articles like [[Obesity]] state that Chris is fat? He's said multiple times that he does not think he is. There are lots of other examples like this.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 17:07, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

[[Chris and reality]] would be the best example of this.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 18:13, 11 May 2012 (PDT)
::We go by what Chris thinks/says unless we have decent evidence to the contrary. With his obesity, we have more than enough evidence to support this. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 01:04, 12 May 2012 (PDT)

==Permanently Banned from Message Board==
I really don't understand this at all. Please respond to the email I sent you.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 16:21, 6 May 2012 (PDT)

Never mind one of the other mods took care of this.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 20:39, 7 May 2012 (PDT)

I have a similar problem and would like to be unbanned. [[User:Negi Springfield|Negi Springfield]] 23:23, 9 July 2012 (PDT)
*I'm guessing you got banned for being a sperglord, but what's your username?--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:12, 10 July 2012 (PDT)
I was banned due to 789chan having a thread on me during one of their CWC dry spells. I went by Negi Springfield, so not much different from what I'm using right now. [[User:Negi Springfield|Negi Springfield]] 17:01, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

I would also like to be unbanned from the message board. [[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 00:29, 7 August 2012 (PDT)
*You've had two threads about you on /cwc/ plus you've sperged about your "comic." No, you're not getting unbanned.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:44, 7 August 2012 (PDT)

There was never a single warning I had received from any board moderator regarding personal attacks or violating message board policy. If my posts were so terrible, it only stands to reason that your moderators would have jumped in. Aren’t they the watchdogs of the message board?

What exactly is your justification for permanently banning people who have been mentioned on 789Chan? [[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 07:22, 8 August 2012 (PDT)
*There is a clear rule about over sperging and if there's a /cwc/ thread about you, odds are you've sperged too much. My moderators are often too lax when it comes to this sort of thing, which is why I step in. I don't need to warn you, you should know better, if you have autism that you choose not to treat that is not my fault. And my rationale? If you've got a thread about you on /cwc/, me banning you is the least of your concerns. In fact, I am doing a favor by preventing you from digging yourself deeper in a hole. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:42, 8 August 2012 (PDT)

Champ this is right from the CWCki about “Sperging”
“The CWCki forums highly recommended place to discuss anything about Chris to your heart's content. This board was created in response to the growing demand for a place where people could discuss anything without fear of violating CWCki's strict talk page policies”

As far as sperging about my comic that was in reference to critiquing Chris’ art style

I mentioned there were open source graphics programs such as GIMP that were completely free to download. I brought up the fact that he could spend a little bit of his tugboat on reference works with royalty free manga stock images and copyright would not be an issue.

As for a few of the other topics that I started that probably sperged?
Are we being unfair to Chris in judging him?
Would you hire Chris if he was genuinely seeking employment?
Do you think that Chris and Barbara were intimate with each other?
If Chris decided to charge $250 for a for two day visit at his house and a no holds barred interview, would you take him up on it?

The board moderator(s) that I observed that wanted to put in their two cents worth joined right in on the debates: They had no issues with this. You mentioned the board moderators were too lax. I disagree. They were doing their job.

Let me share something with you: When that thread started about me around the beginning of January on 789chan and I was permanently banned: I monitored that thread every day. They went back and looked at my posts. Do you want to know what their reaction was?

They were baffled on why I was being banned. They didn’t bust my chops because of what I posted in the forum. What got the thread off the ground was a personal attack on 789Chan over a Beiber troll on my YouTube channel that came back and bit me in the ass. Was it a moment of stupidity that I regretted? Yup.

Have I been brought up twice on 789Chan? No. I’d say 5 to 10 times is more of a realistic estimate. It wasn’t sperging that brought me up on 789Chan. It was curiosity about my YouTube channel (which has been around for years) and more recently my website. [[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 20:31, 8 August 2012 (PDT)
*Why do you want to go back on the forum so bad? It's kinda sad that you're going to all this trouble. Seriously, move on dude, talk about Chris on /cwc/, see how that goes. Hell, go to [[User:Slimz|Slimz's]] forum. Or start your own. Why do you want to go back on the forum so much? The point is that you give us unwanted attention and I have enough trouble maintaining the forum's reputation as it is.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:15, 9 August 2012 (PDT)
'''NOTE''' slimz forum is no longer active, never really was. Slimz would like to be reinstated in the forums as well :) i have bene here editing for a while ban was like a year ago. [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 13:14, 9 August 2012 (PDT)
*Most of your edits are shit, plus what you do here has no bearing on the forums. You are the reason why everyone on /cwc/ thinks we're all A-Logs, there is no fucking way you're going back on the forum. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:35, 9 August 2012 (PDT)

I just took off my last reply. I'm not going to worry about this anymore. Do whatever you want. [[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 22:46, 10 August 2012 (PDT)
*What was the username you had on the forum? I've thought about it and I think I might just let you back on.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:14, 11 August 2012 (PDT)

My username was Kengel1021 [[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 16:04, 18 August 2012 (PDT)

Thank you Champ. I am not sure what the policy for reentry is upon a ban lift under these circumstances so I have registered a new account(YippoBlippo)for the forums.--[[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 16:23, 9 September 2012 (PDT)

== Comms ==

I'm on IRC a lot and today is my day off work so if you're around so am I! --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 02:19, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

== can I help? ==
Hey I have a capture card that does 720p,1800p,ect and wanted to know if I could use it to help (lbp videos,screen shots) does anything need to be rerecorded? also I'm moving soon so if you could say something in the next week or so (before I have to pack my computer up) that would be great. [[User:Blaziken|Blaziken]] 09:14, 1 June 2012 (PDT)
* Sorry it took a day to get back to you, just had to think as I do appreciate your gumption. To be honest though, I can't think of anything in particular, BUT that's just to the best of my knowledge. Head over to [[CWCki:General|the community portal]] and ask there, there might be some people to have some ideas. Just do me one teensy favor - be sure to sign your posts (that's four ~ in a row) so we know who you are when you post. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:29, 30 May 2012 (PDT)
* thanks! [[User:Blaziken|Blaziken]] 09:14, 1 June 2012 (PDT)

==Bruce Johnson==
The Bruce Johnson thing is real. I don't even care about the PVCC anymore. I just want you to know I'm not making up what I added to the cwicki. Would you like a wider screenshot of the facebook convo?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 19:26, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
*How do you know it's the real Bruce Johnson? Or rather, why should we trust you? I could easily have made a Bruce Johnson account to fool you. Even if it is real, do we really need it? All it boils down to is Johnson saying he's not a pedophile contrary to what Chris said. Is this really a startling revelation, that Chris said something negative about someone and it's not true? Do we really need to confirm this, in light of Chris's history? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:36, 20 June 2012 (PDT)
*'Sup bitches, guess who's back? Champy, thought I'd drop in to tell you that under the "no shit is too minor" policy, (which you should really get rid of if it enrages you so), we do indeed need to confirm everything if possible. That said this is still probably bullshit, and confirming this still isn't your job. If you want my two cents, give Landcleamer a chance to convince you of its authenticity at least. I'm sure you have high standards for what you'd accept as convincing proof, so either someone else will go out of their way to contribute something valid, or he can fail to do so and you can say no again. Worst case scenario, Steve Landcleamer turns out to be the weenest of ween trolls and goes through a lot of work to convince you of something fairly inconsequential that can be removed if it later turns out to be fake anyway. The way I see it, this isn't a real problem for you either way. Let the monkey dance. Also, your insulting summaries were hilarious. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 02:12, 21 June 2012 (PDT)
:*I forgot to add in the summary that our friend Steve here wanted to be let into PVCC on the basis of this "startling" revelation. As I've said before, "no shit is too minor" should mean that we don't overlook things, not that we need to get third party confirmation on everything. Anyone who's familiar with Chris knows that his memory isn't totally accurate and he's been known to bullshit. Given that Chris has called Michael Synder a Jew, does this mean we have to contact Michael Synder and confirm whether or not he is a Jew? Do we need to contact Mary Lee Walsh to make sure she's not in fact secretly a witch planning on banning true love from Virginia? It should be pretty obvious that Johnson probably isn't a pedophile, and what does his admission of not being a pedophile say? He could be lying for all we know, I'm not saying he's a pedophile, he probably isn't, but his admission of not being a pedophile shouldn't be startling. I mean, did you expect him to say "Chris got me, I'm a kiddy piddler, I love little boys and molesting them as they sit on my lap and I do horrible profane things to them." Of course the answer is "no," why do we need to have confirmation of this?
::As I've said before, I don't like people bothering Chris tangentially related to Chris about stuff. I think having known Chris is punishment enough, it doesn't help to have epic ween trolls like Steve here think they're gonna get into PVCC on the basis of harassing these people and asking them for information about Chris. I think it's pretty damn weird and spergy to do this, that is to contact people with tangential relations to Chris and ask them details about Chris. Someone on the CWCki Forums is like "No, it's not weird, it's just like liking any celebrity like the Kardashians." Here's the thing - I don't think celebrity magazines are hunting down the lady who served one of those Kardashian people coffee and doing a full length interview. It's bizarre, I would be weirded out if some person went up to and wanted me to tell them everything I know about some person I vaguely remember from years ago.
::This isn't exactly someone who served Chris coffee, it's a major figure in Christory.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
::Burden of proof is on Steve and he's on shakey ground. I don't trust him one bit. I don't like having things that could very easily be false on the CWCki because it hurts our reputation and people already distrust the CWCki as it is, I don't need to give them more reason to distrust it. I don't want to give people an incentive to make up fake bullshit and post it on the CWCki with the thought they'll be declared an epic ween troll for getting "new" "content" and that they'll get into PVCC and that mommy and daddy will finally love them because they'll no longer be wastes of human flesh.
::You have to REALLY convince me here, Steve. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:18, 21 June 2012 (PDT)
::*Hey, no objections from me. Steve wants to dig up trivial information to try and get into PVCC, that's his business. It's not like it would at all harm the CWCki to put up a single quote from the man if it does turn out to be true. Though really, you need to do something about the abundance of ween trolls trying to get into PVCC, or even just normal idiots desperately begging for it, like 16BitAlex. Maybe the guys in the forum itself or on IRC get a good laugh out of them, but I personally just get depressed when I see people like Stevey-boy cluttering the CWCki recent changes, desperately pursuing some unattainable goal by making bullshit edits and whining as hard as possible on talk pages. It wastes your time, it wastes mine, it's rather sad, and it's not even entertaining enough for the guys on /cwc/ to get more than a single thread from it. All in all, a pathetic affair for all involved. I would suggest temp-banning Pipecleaner if he continues to make a nuisance of himself after this, under your "Drama whoring" clause. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:13, 21 June 2012 (PDT)
::*Champ, you have my email. This might be a dumb idea on my part, but I'm willing to give you the facebook login information so you can see the message for yourself. I'm willing to trust you to not fuck with the account, just to go into the private messages and verify the authenticity. After that can I be allowed back to the cwicki forum, under the understanding that I'll never ask to join the PVCC again?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 07:50, 21 June 2012 (PDT)
::*I think /cwc/ has made a good point, a point I have, is that - what did you expect him to say? Of course he's going to say he didn't molest Chris, even if he did molest Chris he's not going to admit it to some stranger. So having him say that he didn't do it isn't saying much, because either way he'll deny it and that really doesn't add anything to the discussion. And like I said, given Chris's background, we know he exaggerates things, and that his recollection of events aren't always the most reliable, do we need to actually get confirmation of this?
:::Ignoring the issue you wanted to get into PVCC, I don't see what it really adds to the discussion. I also don't want to encourage people to hassle people connected to Chris to get information.
:::If people feel like it absolutely, positively must remain in the article, I'd say something like "From a Facebook message purportedly from Bruce Johnson..." or something like that so people can interpret it however they please. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 02:38, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
::*Alright, can we keep it in under that wording?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 06:34, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
::* How do we even know it was from Bruce anyway? I'm not doubting Steve Landcleamer has a message on his facebook, I'm 100% sure that if anyone where to get onto his facebook they would find said message...I'm doubting that it's Bruce. People have been faking to be people Chris knows for quite a while (like Megan), this wouldn't be a first.--[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 09:10, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
::*Why would someone make an entire fake facebook account full of pictures and friends, on the random change that years after its creation someone recognizes them as Chris Chan's old principal, just so they can dish out false information? If that was the case surely they wouldn't have just said that Chris is a liar and insane.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 10:43, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
::*May I ask a question? Even if you did successfully contact Chris's old principal, why was the only thing you could ask "R u pedo lol?". The big questions about Chris's time at NGE are "Why was he sent to the principal?", "Why exactly did they record his screams, was it because he was a repeat offender?", "Why was he transferred there from Greene County Primary?", and "Were the principal's lap incident and scream recording incident the same incident?". Any of those would be worth adding to the CWCki, and it would have cleared away most of the fog surrounding the event. Instead you asked for information that everyone already knew. It's like you stumbled into a garden containing hundreds of delicious alien fruits and came back with a half-eaten ordinary banana.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 15:00, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
:::Firstly, if you read the screenshot, you'll see I did ask him what really went down with Chris being sent to his office and having his screams recorded. All Johnson says is Chris is liar. Secondly I figured asking private information out of the blue about a former student would get no answer, by connecting it to the fact that Chris is getting sued by Snyder (who he also claimed was a pedophile), the message comes across as a concerned citizen looking out for Mr. Johnson, rather than some creep obsessed with Chris, and thus got a reply.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 13:56, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
::*I would also add that just because the Facebook profile is full of pictures and friends doesn't mean it isn't fake. It could just be a -really- good fake. The kind of fake that leaves no obvious evidence that makes it easy to discern as a fake. As to why someone would have done it, stranger and less tactically sound things have happened, enough that I can conceive of and not be surprised by someone doing it for exactly the reasons you mentioned, regardless of the lack of point in doing so. -[[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 15:17, 22 June 2012 (PDT)
:::I will be happy to provide you a link to the facebook page, along with it's postings dating years back, and you still tell me this is can all be chalked up to an elaborate troll scheme.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
:::*You don't need to. I checked the page in its entirety (at least as much as I had access to) before I posted here, and did again before posting this. I think this is more of a difference of opinion than anything: the factors that convince you that it is real (profile in existence since 2008, existence of friends and wall posts, etc), don't automatically convince me. Like 4Macie said, if this is a fake, it is hardly the first time someone has done it. I'll also reiterate my opinion that a -really- good fake will not have any obvious signs that it is a fake. I'm not saying that the profile is fake, just that there isn't any compelling evidence that it isn't. My official position is that it exists, and people more savvy and/or more connected than I can verify the truth of it all if they choose to. Whether it is or it isn't, I'm inclined to agree with Champthom in that Bruce Johnson not being a pedophile is hardly an earth-shattering surprise. At best, it's just (allegedly) confirming something everybody but Chris already believed to be true. -[[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 17:51, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
::*Does anyone object to keeping this info under the wording Champ suggested, "From a Facebook message purportedly from Bruce Johnson..."? --[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 15:43, 23 June 2012 (PDT)
:::*I don't think we should put it on here at all until Champthom is convinced it's real. Also; epic ween, brah.. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 03:33, 25 June 2012 (PDT)

===My thoughts===
I think the wrong focus here is whether it's indeed real or not. Supposedly this Facebook profile has been around a while, has plenty of photos, etc. What motive is there for someone to go into such detail and for what purposes? It's pretty easy why someone would want to impersonate someone like Megan or someone Chris knew from high school - so Chris will see these people, decide to talk to them, and they'd then be able to troll Chris. What purpose is there for someone faking Bruce Johnson? Why would Chris decide to contact Bruce Johnson? I can only really imagine Chris deciding 1) to look up Johnson and 2) taking the effort to contact him mostly to say something like "You molested me you pedofork!" and mind you, Chris is pretty lazy so he wouldn't go to that much hassle. So we have to possibilities - 1) someone has planned since 2008 to troll Chris and has created a believable Facebook profile, all for the motive of trolling Chris or 2) it's actually Bruce Johnson. Occam's razor would suggest the latter.

I think the real issue here is - how can we be sure it's real or not? There's no way of knowing whether this is real or not. Are we supposed to take Steve's word for it? What's to stop other people from making similar claims? People love making shit up about Chris and using that as a way to get attention for themselves or in Steve's case, to try and get into PVCC. The CWCki was designed purposely to separate truth and fact and that's why I take this sort of thing seriously, namely that I don't like things of dubious origins to be cited as facts on here.

But also, let's consider - why the hell is this so damn important? I mean, it's just Steve saying "Chris says you're a pedophile" and Johnson says "No I'm not." Is that really startling? Will this totally change the way we look at Chris's claim? You know what? Even if he was a pedophile, do you really expect him to admit to a strange he molested children? So his confession says nothing really. I think that a reader of the CWCki should be familiar with Chris's track record with memory in that he tends to remember things in his favor (like that he was a Pokemon gym leader vs. Lucas and Mimms's claim that he only did it one time when all the regular people were out), plus that [[Wikipedia:Repressed_memory|repressed memories]] in general can be dubious and that it's very easy to construct pseudo-memories. Let's be VERY generous and let's say that Chris was indeed molested by Bruce Johnson. Does this really excuse his homophobia? I'd say no. True, it'd be a more valid reason than thinking that you can "turn" gay but I think that really only justifies not liking one particular gay person. Let's say a black person robs me - does this justify me being racist to all black people? No, that'd be silly, just because one particular black person harmed me doesn't mean I should hate blacks as a groups. Same thing applies to Chris and gays.

Side note - Steve, don't break up one of my posts, because it looks like you wrote that whole bit when I in fact did.

In regards to your comment, you're right, this isn't like someone serving coffee - it's much weirder. It's more like if a complete stranger approached you on the street and asked you about the guy who sat two seats in back of you in English class and demanding you tell them every single detail about them. No, Chris isn't a celebrity, he's our bizarre obsession and we need to be honest with ourselves, it's sorta weird. If it wasn't for trolling, Chris would be an ordinary, dull person, albeit with some eccentricities but just an ordinary person who you might look at a few extra seconds if you were to pass him by but not a celebrity by normal standards. If you think it's normal to contact people who vaguely know people from ages ago and ask them for every single detail about said person, they'd probably think you're some sort of stalker or there's something mental with you.

So should we have this tidbit on the article? Like I said, I don't think it really adds anything. If it's generating this much furious debate, I don't think it'd be wise to include it. This isn't about me not being convinced, it's about not convincing the CWCki community as a whole. Like I said, I don't think we're losing out on anything major here.

Those are my thoughts at least. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:20, 25 June 2012 (PDT)

Why not include it? Isn't there an inherent interest to here Johnson's response even though it is what we'd assume it would be? It can only make an article stronger. Take for example a New York Times article about an alleged criminal, it will always make a note that they contacted the accused, even if the person simply replies with a refusal to comment.

Including Johnson's comments in the article helps verify what people suspect about Chris (he made this incident up). Isn't further information/confirmation better than none?

As far as proving the facebook message was not some photoshop, I'm still offering Champ access to the acount so that I can prove I am not doctoring things (and if I was wouldn't you expect the details to be a lot juicier?)--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 17:41, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
::: Seriously, why are you trying so hard for this? I'm pretty sure anyone who reads what Chris thinks about Bruce would naturally assume that Bruce didn't actually touch Chris inappropriately and that Chris's screams were not recorded for Bruce's amusement... --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 21:15, 25 June 2012 (PDT)
:::I've already explained myself. What is the harm in including it?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 06:46, 26 June 2012 (PDT)

So would you like the account info? I'd like to definitively prove that this is real and move on.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 17:26, 27 June 2012 (PDT)

* I don't think anyone doubts that you received the message, the uncertainty lies in whether the account you received it from is genuine which cannot be proved by someone logging into your FB account. And also whether it's important enough to go on the CWCki anyway. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 02:07, 28 June 2012 (PDT)

The what's wrong with the wording Champ suggested, "From a Facebook message purportedly from Bruce Johnson..."? We've already established that there's an incredibly slim chance that it's a fake account, and this would reflect that small margin of error.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 06:41, 28 June 2012 (PDT)

* Ehhhh ... I'm still inclined to basically agree with Champ in the respect that this isn't really all that important and we're not losing out on anything major by not including it. I too also wonder why you're so insistent on this. Is this really so important that it's been worth the eight days of discussion thus far? That it's worth giving your Facebook info to someone to prove the authenticity of a point that is almost unanimously considered too minor to really be worth the effort? Which to me, I might add, seems an awful lot like something -Chris- would do, or would have done in the past. Honestly, the more you insist on having this put in the CWCki, the more skeptical I am and the more I feel that, for you, this is less about documenting things related to Chris and more about trying to boost your cred and adding more contributions to your credit. Or, like Champ already pointed out, trying to get into PVCC. Near as I can figure, the only one who is determined to see this in the CWCki is you. --[[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 12:52, 28 June 2012 (PDT)
**This. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:39, 29 June 2012 (PDT)

*Alright fine, you don't want it, I'll stop pushing it. Champ can you let me back on the message board? I didn't violate any rules and it's been two weeks already.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 20:05, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
:*You broke the rule about being a sperg. If you wanna go talk about Chris, why not try /cwc/? I'm sure they'll love you there.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:45, 29 June 2012 (PDT)
:*That's okay I'm content without being a member of either and just editing the cwicki.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 19:08, 30 June 2012 (PDT)

====Help me out.====

I want to put this up as the video of the now but I'm not sure how. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0r868reAYD4&feature=g-u-u[[User:Blaziken|Blaziken]]

== Ban [[User:Ireece1|this fag]] ==
You won't make me a mod, so get on it. Reason is vandalism. Check his user contributions. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 09:23, 31 August 2012 (PDT)
*Not seeing it, all he did was say that 789chan was down (it's not anymore). Not sure what you're talking about.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:35, 31 August 2012 (PDT)
*He implied a permanent closure when there was none. So my mistake, not vandalism. Inserting false information into pages. Still ban him. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 12:05, 31 August 2012 (PDT)
:*/cwc/ was down for a while and had a domain parking site in its place, it'd be easy to assume it's closed. A hasty assumption, but not inserting false information. Just revert since it's not the case and move on.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:01, 31 August 2012 (PDT)
::* *stress sigh* Fine. I'll let it go this time. But I still believe you're not nearly harsh enough. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:53, 2 September 2012 (PDT)

== banned ==

My IP is permabanned on the CWCki forum...this was the reason: "Multiple Ban Evasions - Keep Your Cool :) " I was told to come here and grovel before you.

== Missed a pic ==

[[http://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Hello.jpg]]

The vandal from earlier uploaded Goatse here as well. [[User:Cleaner|Cleaner]] 07:49, 17 September 2012 (PDT)

^ Ditto. --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 00:05, 22 September 2012 (PDT)

== New Article ==

What do you think? Ready for prime time? [[User:Lumber/Chris and brand loyalty]]. --[[User:Lumber|Lumber]] 11:30, 1 October 2012 (PDT)

== New Article ==

What do you think? Ready for prime time? [[User:Lumber/Brand Loyalty]]. --[[User:Lumber|Lumber]] 11:32, 1 October 2012 (PDT)
*I was going to say, I'm usually reluctant to add another "Chris and..." article as I think they tend to be too speculatory at times. But I think this is a decent topic, as I've seen Chris's brand loyalty brought up from time to time on forums, though usually it's some component of it (like "Why is Chris so dedicated to Sonic?") and it's been a while since we've had an article of this caliber written. It's not perfect, but then again I don't think any article on the site is perfect. It looks like you did your homework, as did the other people who contributed to the article. So why the hell not? Go for it, dude. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:21, 2 October 2012 (PDT)

== Ban Evasion ==

Ban Evasion for What???? I had over 100 posts and had been here for more than a month. I posted in the Cwcki forum inquiring about posting on the General Forum and Smoked Daddy sent me a link to the General Forum to make a formal request. Smoked Daddy approved my request and I was initially able to post in the General Forum. I sent a message to Smoked Daddy saying the problem was resolved.

Because Smoked Daddy was new and somewhat unfamiliar with the technical side of this of the CWCki, the General Forum denied me access after replying to one thread and was no longer able to post. I sent another message to Smoked Daddy informing him that I still had a problem posting in the General Forum. I tried to log in to the forums this morning and saw I was permanently banned. -[[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 06:52, 22 October 2012 (PDT)
*You've been banned before, you know why I banned you before, you don't ban evade on my forum (i.e. sign up for a new account). Take it like a man instead of ban evading like a pussy. I don't care if Smokedaddy was okay with it, you've been banned before and you're still banned, don't think you're that clever. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:55, 22 October 2012 (PDT)

Clever about what Champ? Are you implying there was some sort of subterfuge when I registered a new account? I registered a new account '''after''' you lifted the ban (from the 789chan controversy) to avoid any more controversy with my old name on the forum.

I openly stated this right on your userpage under the topic "Permanent Ban". It's still there and was there ever since registered the new account. You must have known I was the same person I registered with the same name, same address, same birthdate and the same hyperlink to my webpage.
This was right on my profile. Surely you check your userpage on regular basis.

On second thought: If it makes you feel better thinking I conspired against you, go ahead and enjoy your forum -[[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 10:55, 23 October 2012 (PDT)

== ban evasion? ==

I'm confused as to why I'm banned from the forum. I never tried to register another name or anything. I wasn't a trouble maker and never had to be warned.

== Forums are offline ==

It looks like something bad might have happened to them.[[User:CompyRex|CompyRex]] 18:11, 6 November 2012 (PST)

Hey, Champ. I have webspace, and I'm willing to take up hosting responsibilities for the forum. Let me know what you think. [[User:SushiHazard|SushiHazard]] 12:57, 7 November 2012 (PST)

== This shit ==

Hey, I know you're probably busy with the forums and all, but [[User:Reldnahc_C|this guy]] is uploading some [[:Image:Reldnahc_cs_sonichu_ep7_edit_pg10.jpg|pretty]] [[:Image:Reldnahc_cs_sonichu_ep7_edit_pg2.jpg|stupid]] [[:Image:Reldnahc_cs_sonichu_ep7_edit_pg3.jpg|shit]]. Considering this isn't ED and all, just thought you should know about it. [[User:Giantgroundsloth|Giantgroundsloth]] 20:46, 12 November 2012 (PST)

== WelcomeBot Doesn't Work? ==

I notice that the WelcomeBot doesn't work anymore. Is it intentional or a glitch? [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 20:09, 13 November 2012 (PST)

== why was I banned? ==

Seriously, why the hell was I banned? All I get from it was Mew jumping to conclusions, Nia complaining about my description of my Chris dream, and Trombonista acting as if it's my responsibility to tell all the members something they could easily find out on their own.- [[User:Murderdartxker|Murderdartxker]]
*I'm not taking this all out on you but please, for the love of God, if you're going to ask me why you were banned ''tell me who the fuck you are.'' If you're using a different user name on the forums than your CWCki account, I need to know because I have no way of looking up your ban. I don't have access to any IP address stuff on here (the CWCki proper) so it's not like I can match it. Also be aware that I don't follow every single thread on the forums and I'm not responsible for every ban. In fact, I personally rarely ban people. I have no problem looking into why you were banned. I just need to know who you are so I can look your account up because I'm not a psychic. Alternatively, in the future, you can contact me at cwckiforums@gmail.com. Not taking this all out on you but I don't know why people who come on here using completely different usernames than their forum account expect me to know who they are. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:48, 19 November 2012 (PST)
My username is the same.- [[User talk:murderdartxker|murderdartxker]]
*Ah, here we go - Brooklynbaliff told me you shitposted, had some posts end up in Spergatory, and failed to take advice not to shitpost. Then you ban evaded by pretending to be a "friend" and asking why you were banned. I'm not kind to ban evaders, but I'll see what I can do.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:05, 19 November 2012 (PST)

==Banned for My Protection?==

"You know, most people don't PM me when they ban evade. Look, I'm doing you a favor, so you're not the next Chris-chan."

You're not fooling me. You're not "protecting me". You're not protecting anybody from "digging themselves into a hole". I've sat in 789chan (now n0chan)while you're so called 789chan policy was practially a laughingstock. In fact Champ you were responsible for Mew getting on their lolcow list.[[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 15:17, 30 December 2012 (PST)
*I don't care. If you want to see what happens when I allow people to be spergs on my forum, ask Paul David "Eyebrows" Smith. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:03, 31 December 2012 (PST)

You are like many people with Asperger Syndrome who try using computer logic with a predictable result when it comes to human behavior. Such and such was mentioned on n0chan: Therefore such and such sperged.
Not surprisingly, you are laboring under a misconception concerning PaganDeathKnight. This was not just simple sperging. He unethically requested Megan’s dox, and then tried selling his services as a field agent. Most significantly, he came onto 789chan trying to be an internet tough guy much like Robert Wayne Stiles. In other words he was feeding the trolls.
Judging whether someone becomes a “Chris Chan” is not a computer-like science; it’s an art that requires intuition and individual judgment (i.e. analyzing thread direction, social interaction of the threads, emerging patterns, relationship history) and it’s different for each individual. Yes some things can be deducted but much of this is intuitive (reading between the lines) and you seem to be unable to do this. This can be learned by an Aspie such as yourself if you are willing to take the time to lurk in n0chan and study the threads and the patterns of interaction. --[[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]] 19:30, 1 January 2013 (PST)

== locking non-talk pages ==

i changed the config so that non-jerkops/sysops can't edit the main namespace. talk pages are still editable. tell me how it works out --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 04:44, 23 January 2013 (PST)

== Hey ==

Do something about the spam usernames all over RC pls. Thanks. [[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 17:33, 28 January 2013 (PST)

== Forum Decision? ==

Hey Champ,

My offer still stands about hosting the forum. Seeing as the relief forum just kicked the bucket, now may be a good time to move on.

My email is ichverbot at gmail dot com

--[[User:Null|Null]] 20:24, 29 January 2013 (PST)

=== Forum Setup ===
I sent a reply 2 hours after the original email, check your spam folder. I've already set up the forum. http://cwckiforums.com

I've registered you an account called Champthom with full admin powers. The password is in the email.

--[[User:Null|Null]] 13:56, 31 January 2013 (PST)

=== Email Received ===

I sent another email to your personal address. Let me know if you got it.

--[[User:Null|Null]] 18:34, 31 January 2013 (PST)

== Re: For Pete's Sake ==

Thanks, I'll remember that. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 00:05, 10 September 2013 (PDT)

== Sagas ==

I would like to ask you to please review the page on [[Saga|sagas]], as there has recently been the addition of a "Revalation [sic] Saga"--as though a new era is upon us. I am skeptical of its legitimacy, so I appreciate it if you took a look. --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 00:48, 8 October 2013 (PDT)

== Facebook revamp ==

Hi, I've been trying to clean up the Facebook sections of the wiki. I wonder what you have to say about my changes.

Also, I've made some comments in the portal, and I would like you to look at this: [[CWCki:General#Facebook_revamp]].

[[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 07:57, 5 November 2013 (PST)

* Hi it doesn't seem like you have any opinion on my current facebook revamp, so I will be finishing it up as I've done the rest of the posts. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 14:26, 19 November 2013 (PST)

== Hate to bother you about this ==

Would you mind deleting my first upload of the 6th photo commented on by Chris? The reason is that I'm a moron. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 02:55, 1 January 2014 (PST)

:Did that for you. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 06:57, 1 January 2014 (PST)
:: Thank you very much. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 07:12, 1 January 2014 (PST)

== Re: Welcome Template ==

I am aware of that, but when I did so, this is what I got, everything's perfectly fine except for the final part: http://i.imgur.com/OtWcjdA.png

== Grace Baptist Church ==

Good day,

I'd like to ask for your consultation. I've come to the conclusion that the date for Chris's expulsion from [[Grace Baptist Church]] provided by the article on this subject is wrong, and I have stated my reasons for thinking so [[Talk:Grace Baptist Church#The date of Chris's expulsion from Grace Baptist Church|here]]. I'm hesitant however to amend the article because this would mean reverting a five year old edit. Seeing that among this wiki's active users you have been here for the longest time, I'd like to know your thoughts on this matter. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 23:49, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

*I'm not sure how we got that date, I imagine it's mentioned ''somewhere'' if you dig for it. It's possible that someone just guessed the date. If you can't find a source for the date, I'd say it's better to err on the side of caution and say that Chris was banned sometime in that general time range instead of an exact date. Or just putting a "citation needed" might work to say that we don't have an exact citation for it.

:Just because an edit is really old doesn't always mean it's right. There's usually some reason for it but we didn't always have high standards and as I've mentioned before, because we don't have a lot of editors, bad content can be left for long periods of time without someone catching it. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 10:05, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

**Thanks for the input. As far as I can see not only there aren't any sources for that date, the sources we do have argue against it (see Grace Baptist Church talk page for my arguments). I'm going to wait a couple of more days to see if anyone has anything to say on this matter, and if there won't be any objection I'm going to edit the article according to my plans. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 15:58, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

== Context for Twin Falling Towers ==

On the forums you suggested that someone told Chris he should make [[Twin Falling Towers]] because Clyde worked in the Twin Towers. However, the article precludes this. Now, it wouldn't excuse Chris' behavior, but it would add some context to the situation and make it seem less A-Loggy if it was true that he didn't come up with the idea all on his own. Is it safe to say that a troll at least ''may'' have suggested this idea to him? --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 16:16, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

: I recall seeing a post where someone actually influenced Chris to make a video, and if it does, I agree that context should be added. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 16:32, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

* I don't recall saying that. Not saying I didn't, I just don't remember saying anything about that video. I certainly don't remember anything about it being because Clyde worked at the Twin Towers. I can say that I'm like, 99% sure that someone suggested he make this but I don't have a public source to verify this. I consider myself reliable but I don't want the reason it's cited as "because Champthom says so" as the reason. Truth be told, pretty much all but a very few of Chris's videos were made because someone suggested or motivated him to make a video he might not have made.

: Saying he ''might'' have been influenced isn't awful, but it just seems very wishy washy and you can argue all sorts of crazy stuff about Chris if you suggest he "might" do something. I'm not an A-Log, I wasn't personally offended by the video like some people were but I think that even if Chris was motivated to do this by someone else, Chris lacked the discretion and judgement to realize that making a video mocking what's a national tragedy in the minds of many people as being in extremely poor taste and that is what people would find reprehensible about Chris. Again, I don't think this justifies the A-Log arguments that Chris should be trolled because he made that video or that makes Chris an amoral monster, just that Chris exercised extremely poor judgement that he really should have been able to exercise. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 12:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

::Thanks for the feedback. Maybe I will just delete this part then: "Many believed that Chris must have been motivated by a trusted friend into creating such a video for the express purpose of causing Chris to embarrass himself for our amusement, but there has been no evidence to support this theory. Chris just managed to do something so autistic that it was difficult to believe, even for him." That seems to be speculation itself, and anyway the rest of the article already talks about how tasteless and offensive Chris was in doing this. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 20:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

== Anna's CWCki account? ==

In 2011 a user called [http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:Contributions/FFFFFUUUUU FFFFFUUUUU] edited the CWCki and claimed to be Anna, and you [http://www.sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Anna_McLerran&diff=135073&oldid=135072 responded] to him/her under the assumption that this is indeed everyone's favorite Mormon. It is confirmed for certain that Anna is the operator of this account? If so, can I edit the article on Anna to mention her edits to the CWCki and likewise use her edits as a source about her relationship with Chris? - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 16:37, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

== CWC Videos on Archive.org ==

Hi, you seem to be the highest-in-command here. I thought you'd like to know that the Internet Archive has a collection of CWC videos [https://archive.org/details/christopherwestonchandler here]. That should preserve his legacy for a REAL long time. [[User:Letter Z|Letter Z]] ([[User talk:Letter Z|talk]]) 17:05, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
*Wow, that's pretty impressive. Thanks for bringing that to my attention.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 17:28, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
:You're welcome. :) I'm actually the guy who uploaded all of those videos—in their highest resolution. Let me know if any videos need uploading on the collection. Plus, I've backed up this wiki and archive.sonichu.com [https://archive.org/details/wiki-sonichucom here] and [https://archive.org/details/wiki-archivesonichucom here] respectively. Hope I've helped out. I'm sorry for starting out here with some sexism comments. I've had bad experiences with girls in my past... [[User:Letter Z|Letter Z]] ([[User talk:Letter Z|talk]]) 20:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== Unable to make new pages ==

Hi. I am unable to make new pages because even though it gives me a notice about needing to play a game to prove I'm human, it doesn't show me the game. I'd like a little help with this, please. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 19:40, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

== CWCki ==

Why does this wiki exist? Is it because [[Chris]] is just about everything bad a human can be? :P [[User:Letter Z|Letter Z]] ([[User talk:Letter Z|talk]]) 18:50, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

== DVD photos ==

Hello. I was just browsing through the video of Chris's old DVD that he released in 2007. There is a big disparity between the images shown on the video and the images found in "Category:DVD slideshow images." While many of the missing images are scattered around the CWCki, there are many shown on the video that I've never seen before and I can't find anywhere on the CWCki. For some reason, the slideshow images were uploaded to the CWCki in bits and pieces by different users. My question is, do you or any other old-timers know if these images are saved somewhere? Where did they come from originally? When Chris gave PandaHalo a copy of the scrapbook, did she also get the old photos?

I would like to restore this photo album, and I'd like to get my hands on a few particularly interesting photos. Any assistance would be welcome. Thanks. --[[User:Asperhes|asperhes]], 1/31/15.

*[[PandaHalo|Panda]] dropped an entire .rar or something along those lines of the DVD slideshow. If I'm not mistaken, she did a drop of the DVD slideshow and then of his scrapbook. I'm curious what images may be missing. I remember I was the person who initially uploaded all the images from that .rar, one by one so it's plausible I might have missed one. It's been a while since I've seen the DVD slideshow but I don't recall seeing images that weren't in the DVD.

:It's possible that the images you're thinking of are on here, but not properly categorized. Unfortunately, there are many things on here not properly categorized and personally I'm leaning on that explanation. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:20, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

== Favicon ==

MediaWiki noob here. I don't know who else to talk to, and you seem to be pretty well-versed in the workings of the site. I made a Favicon for the CWCki, but I don't know who to send it to in order to get it on the site. Would you know what to do about that? This is what it looks like: [[File:Chris pokeball.png]]
[[User:Pwnisher248|Pwnisher248]] ([[User talk:Pwnisher248|talk]]) 03:27, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
* I swore we had a favicon, must have been lost at some point. That's a fine looking one, I'll see what I can do. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 13:17, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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==Hi there!==

[[Image:CWCiki_Introduction.jpg|thumb|300px|Welcome to CWCKI!]]

Welcome to [[CWCki]]! There's a lot to do around here because Chris never does anything himself. I hope you'll stay with us and make many improvements of your own!

:Before you start, be sure to read '''[[A Quick Guide to CWCki]]'''. This will guide you through the dos and don'ts of editing [[CWCki|the world's most accurate wiki]]. Be especially sure to read this if you consider Anonymous to be legion or if you've just come over from [[ED]]. Everything you know is [[lies|wrong]].

:'''[[Special:Recentchanges|Recent changes]]''' is a great first stop, because you can see what other people are editing right this minute, and where you can help.

:If you're looking for things to do, check out the '''[[CWCki:Priority Listing|priority listing]]''' for things that need to be done, or join a '''[[CWCki:Projects|project]]'''.

:If you haven't already, create a '''[[User:{{PAGENAME}}|user page]]''' about yourself! If you do, we'll be able to know you better as a member of our community. Just be sure to check out the [[CWCki:User pages|guidelines]] first.

:'''Questions?''' Please read the [[Frequently Asked Questions|FAQ]] first. Later, you can ask in the '''[[CWCki:Community_Portal|Community Portal]]''' or on the "discussion" page associated with each article, join the live chat in our [[Sonichu (IRC)|IRC channel]] or post a message on [[User talk:Alan Pardew|my talk page]]!

:Once again, welcome to CWCki!

[[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:46, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Hey,
I would have started to upload files from the recent leak yesterday, but my internet's been having some issues, so I couldn't get to it until today. I uploaded all files from the leak in full definition.
Thanks for your efforts to keep the cwcki updated. [[User:Skyraider91|Skyraider91]] ([[User talk:Skyraider91|talk]]) 14:13, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

== Re: Problem with Special:ConfirmEmail ==

Sadly, I don't have access to this mechanical issues. You can ask Marvin on the forum for this. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 15:43, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

== Re: Search/replace for cogsdev links? ==

I already contacted Marvin who is able to handle technical stuff on the CWCki about this. Thanks. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 03:01, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

== Good work with the templates ==

I see you swiped some Wikipedia templates, which is very smart because it's out there and you don't need to reinvent the wheel to do something neat. Not sure if age template is useful in all cases, but it's probably good style. In any case, it's rare to find someone who actually bothers to do technical stuff with templates, like your idea with using a template to solve the gender issue, so it's good work on your part. Keep it up. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 17:49, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
:Thanks. I think [[Template:Birth date and age]] doesn't quite work here (I couldn't get it to show the month name), but that might be okay because most infoboxes have a link to year pages anyway, and the BDA template would clobber that. Certainly no one will care what Clyde Cash's current age is, but I figure [[Template:Age]] will be handy for a couple pages that few people will remember to update. -[[User:CWCTime|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime|talk]]) 18:01, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
::That was my sentiment, that it's not really relevant to know how old Ivy or Clyde is now, but rather how old they were when they interacted with Chris. However that template will be really handy for the main Chris article (which I think you used it on) or someone like Barb or even Anna. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 18:47, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

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{{Community Portal}}

For discussion of CWCki policy and rules.

== everything i say is important so it goes on top also purging the CWCki ==

I'm honestly tired of the resources being used on the CWCki for stupid bullshit like talk pages and user pages and fan works and speculation and etc. I'm sick of both the time spent on that and the ACTUAL resources. I've been trying to solve this god damn internal 500 server error and I'm fairly sure it has to do with the large amount of stupid pages and stupid edits that have been made over the years (this is sad, YEARS)

So stop spending time on the CWCki doing bullshit like making shitty templates denoted you are a cool guy or making a stupid sonichu troll art that's really neat and all and start working on actual stupid bullshit like mumble chats or something. at least that'll entertain more people than all this other shit people have been doing. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Purging histories. ==

At some point, I think we will need to purge the histories of high-edit count articles. I know that's against wiki standards, but I'm up to solving this 500 internal server error once and for all. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Fan Works policy ==

right now there aren't really any rules regards what can and cannot go in the fan namespace. this is because i trusted users to judge for themselves whether or not their work belonged on the cwcki. so, let's get its purpose straight: fan works was meant to be PVCC's troll productions subforum, but public. it is not, however, a mirror site incase deviantart goes down. i feel that some individuals are forgetting that this is a wiki about CWC. now, it's quite tricky to say what can and cannot be hosted here. there are very few examples of things being uploaded that are completely unrelated to chris or sonichu. however, i will try my best to clarify what is appropriate.

'''Examples of good fanworks:'''
* A drawing of CWC saying DYKES DYKES CHINA being placed into the "CWC's Second Message" article
* An "artist's depiction" of something we have no pictures of but how it may have looked, i.e. Chris in the mall with his attraction sign, Chris using his "red string of fate", Chris's IRL confrontation with Mary Lee Walsh, [[Fapcup]], etc
* Comics what are actually funny

'''Examples of bad fanworks:'''
* A Sonichu comic depicting how you think Sonichu should have been
* Shitty recolored Sonichu and Rosechu "original characters"
* Your shitty fursona with a Sonichu tail shoved up its ass

to summarise, i think the distinction lies in whether or not it is actually related to ''chris''. there are lots of things related to sonichu, many of which include chris, but are actually disconnected from chris's antics themselves. i don't think these are appropriate for this wiki, and i see their numbers increasing(although i would like to refrain from naming names).

please discuss any changes or clarifications that you wish made, however i would like to implement these new rules by the end of the week. if a user feels their own uploads were, in light of these policy changes, in error then they can remove them now to save the jerkops the trouble of removing them later.

PEACE, AND HAVE A GOOD DAY --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 21:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, could we see just what works are and are not on the chopping block? Just so we can see where we stand on this. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 02:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* i guess it might be useful to have a template for that --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 09:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No. When the purge is complete you will know exactly where you stand. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, does one need any kind of admin status to delete files? I'm trying to figure this out. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Just who decides what's worthy?===
I can get behind the fact that you want this wiki to be about Chris, with his Sonichu works simply being an extension of him. What bothers me is how all this hate coming from users complaining about fan works they simply don't care for. If fan works are removed all together from here, I'd be alright with that. But when someone said "all Sonichu-related works need to go, except the ones I like!" it seems more like favoritism rather than objective policy. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 00:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, though I myself am hardly unbiased. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 00:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's almost like this wiki is run by trolls who cae not for your feelings.--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 01:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Just because we troll Chris doesn't mean we can't deal with each other in a civilized manner. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 02:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't troll shit, spud. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 02:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Can anything be done on this site without creating a shitstorm? This isn't some crusade against drawfags, and it shouldn't be painted as such by EITHER side. The site is about Chris, and the large amount of coverage on his creations is only because they made up such a large part of his life. The CWCki isn't about Sonichu, it's about Chris. Maybe some exceptions can be made, but for now fanworks not directly about Chris need to go. I myself enjoy many, especially Fear and Loathing in CWCville, but unless it is used to successfully troll Chris, it doesn't belong here.
Thing is, we need a peaceful resolution to this. Shit with faggot users and /cwc/ is bad enough, we don't need this to blow up. Maybe exceptional fanworks can be allowed; if not, they can be hosted on DA, or perhaps a site devoted to Sonichu. The artists and fans need to remember that this isn't an attack against their work, it's just policy. Users who want to be active in the execution of this policy need to not be dicks about it, and be responsible about it. It's not "deleting shit one doesn't like," it's removing unnecessary images and articles. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 02:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well, like I've said before, I will print out every page, bind it, and mail it to him when I'm finished. Which should be in two weeks or so. If my works are deleted before then, I'm not going to worry too much. In fact, it wouldn't bother me much at all if the entire fan section was removed and all fan art was deleted. I'm just a little put off from the vitriol a lot of the critics are spewing. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::You think he's going to read it, that's cute. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Maybe, maybe not, what's the harm in trying? The most it'll cost me is a few bucks in postage. Well, that and the markers. Now I understand why he textwalls so much, those things dry out quick! :P --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I could totally get on board starting a new site just to host these things. If we do so, though, we need clearly-defined criteria as to what gets to stay. Limiting ourselves to stuff Chris has seen would be fair, but it would need to be absolutely enforced. Which is to say, we couldn't have a page on ''Chris Gets Laid'', excellent though it is, unless he himself responded to it in some way. -[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 03:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You could do that. That's entirely acceptable, as it focuses on Chris and its activities. What you couldn't do is a story about a Sonichu recolor having some dumb adventure while Chris gets laid as a side-story. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 03:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well by those rules, we'd have to delete the page on ''Sonichu Is Dead'', because Chris barely appears in it. We need a single, objective policy for what gets to stay and what doesn't, regardless of quality. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 11:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there has to be some kind of objective criteria, not just what largely seems to be "Your fic/comic is bad, and you should feel bad, ur a furfag lawl." If you want to cut fics because the Fan section is getting out of hand, fine. Just come up with a standard that makes sense and enforce it. If the "How you think Sonichu should have been" rule is enforced, then the entire fan section will be pretty much gutted. If we go with the "About Chris not Sonichu", well pretty much every fic has Chris' Mary Sue Avatar Combined with his real self on there, so where's the line? Is it IRL Chris, or Comic Chris? [[User:Mellowyellowsalvation|Mellowyellowsalvation]] 16:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*That's why I think limiting ourselves to stuff to which Chris has responded makes the most sense. He either did, or he didn't, and there are no shades of grey. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 02:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*As I've said elsewhere, I personally think the Fan Works index is more of a hassle than it's worth and we should get rid of it. Clyde has suggested a separate wiki and I think that might be the best solution. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
** I would agree that a second site for fan works would probably be the best course of action. However, I think we should consider keeping notable fanworks (that is, those that Chris has responded to) here on the CWCki. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 17:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
***This site is for things that have trolled Chris, so we should absolutely keep them. However, I notice that lots of things that don't fit those guidelines have survived the purge. Why? --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 15:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Re:Examples of bad fanworks ===

Most of the fan works don't seem to fall in any of those categories. Is there something else that's a problem?--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 00:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*No, a lot of the admins are just fickle, want things they specifically don't like deleted no matter if there was a good reason or not, and don't seem to realize that trolls don't necessarily have to be asses to anyone and everyone. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 12:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* Right. It's that, it has nothing to do with an overwhelming majority of it being some sick fucks fantasy and has virtually or literally nothing to do with Chris. They're just angry, angry DAMN DIRTY SLANDEROUS TROLLS. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 03:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

* To avoid altercations like this, I would delete the index entirely. Simply put, there are other, far more suitable venues to put this, so you won't ever have to lapse into offended rage, or conversely, argue with trolls sticking their 'n***** noses' in your business. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Dumb suggestion ===

Why couldn't we just grandfather stuff in? --[[User:GandWuser|GandWuser]] 12:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

=== my suggestion ===

wipe everything and start a new wiki because i'm cutting down everything that's eating up resources. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*people should pay attention to me more. also pay attention to me. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I like this idea. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

i've been considering moving to a new version of mediawiki, but might as well wait for 1.16 to reach stable. this should go on technical though i guess --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 19:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Guys===
The admins are at liberty to delete whatever the fuck they don't like. It just so happens they don't like torture porn involving Sonees and Roseys and comics intended to piss Chris off a la Asperchu. I know Asperchu gave you all hope for your fan comics and getting into the annals of troll history, but Asperchu happened because until then no one had attempted anything like it. The way to get into troll history is not to follow in the footsteps of more famous trolls, but to find areas of Chris's psyche no one has prodded before and poke the shit out of them until you get an angry YouTube video. If you really really REALLY still want your fics visible on the internet, make your own Sonichu site for fanworks or join a preexisting one, such as [http://caferosechu.110mb.com/index.html Cafe Rosechu] (which is run by the girl who made Capering Berries). ... As for the underage guro, fucking stop. That's disgusting. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 22:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
* What he said. --[[User:Inos|Inos]] 07:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

===Looks like you missed something===
Both the [http://cogsdev.org/cwcki/Category:Fear_and_Loathing_in_CWCville|category] and [[Fan talk:Fear and Loathing in CWCville|talk page]] for my crap remains, as well as all the pages I uploaded. I'll take care of it... if someone can tell me how to delete pages. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 22:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==Harassment and NPOV==

Recent events have brought up these issues, so let's address them.

First, let's do our best to aim for some semblance of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|NPOV]]. Things considered by us to be good humored may not be taken that way by others. So yeah, try not to insult other sites, users, etc.

Harassment - yes, there are fuckwits on this wiki. There's fuckwits on any wiki. But don't point it out to them. People need to be able to edit without fear of harassment from others for their users. It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users. If they're stupid, just point it out and explain calmly why but telling them they're fuckwits is no way to do it. Srsly, I expect a bit more from you people. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur with the statement about NPOV. When i edit articles that's usually what I'm going for. The CWCville article was ridiculous and full of shit that just wasn't the case, as are a great many articles. People making jokes and idle speculation at the expense of reality.

So kids, keep the memes out, and if a facet of Chris' mind or life is an unknown leave it that way instead of inserting your own idle speculation. We're here to document the real CWC (and related fictions about CWC created by the real CWC), not to create our own CWC. [[User:DrShoggoth|Dr. Herodotus P. Shoggoth :Doktor of the Forbidden Sciences, Medallion Guardian, Imperial Emu, Emeritus of the Ancient and Justified Order of the Turtle]] 00:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

So, essentially, kill them gently? --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*I've been thinking that maybe the best solution at this point would be to prohibit any discussion of matters unrelated to Chris and the CWCki, even on your own user page. Thus, many of the members who had been harassed or whatever in the past would probably have never been targeted in the first place. Granted, I would prefer if we didn't have to limit the users right to say what they want, and it would certainly be a pain in the ass to enforce,but could potentially prevent most if not all of the harassment issues. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 21:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:*This wouldn't be an entirely bad idea, given that I know Wikipedia has basic rules about user pages, namely it's used to discuss one's contributions to Wikipedia and nothing more. Good thinking.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
*It might also help if suggesting that we resolve a bureaucratic issue without resulting to namecalling [[User_talk:DrShoggoth|didn't result in vague threats.]] --[[User:Star Platinum|Star Platinum]] 22:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
**agreed. I'm not exactly the biggest contributor on here, but even I've seen Delabonte threatening others for asking him to be a bit less abrasive in his messages, asking why exactly they were in trouble for something, or even not sharing the same opinion as him. Why does this guy get away with it? Also, I don't care if he's "respected by Cogs" as has been said, that doesn't mean he should be allowed to abuse his position, spam angry templates on other people's accounts just because he doesn't like them, and generally treat everyone else like shit. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::*I agree on this policy. This kind of harassment brings down CWCki's appearance in a whole. It makes us look less like a reputable source on an autistic manchild and more like a restricted community of threatening rep destruction and overenforced rules. There is no need to attack innocents just for casual talk or for living certain lifestyles, it's just plain wrong in general. Delabonte is just a person who feels privileged and like he needs to point out things about people and act like he needs to be a Jr. Mod of sorts. To be frank, this is annoying and just rude. I'm a member of many places, but never once have I done anything like go out and go "OH NO THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING '''MY''' RULES TEMPLATE ''TEMPLATE'' ''' ''TEMPLATE'' '''!" and not a lot of people here have before. It's inappropriate, immature and quite low IQed. So, in conclusion, and tl;dr: Agree with idea, down with empty threated non-mod steam-filled members. --[[User:Eniggy|Sen. John Eniggy, finishing opening statements for case on the Congressional floor]] 04:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::* Not to be a jackass or anything, but try and keep in mind where you are. This is a website dedicated to trolling an autistic manchild. Many of the people here are involved with other trolling operations and such. Lots of trolls like to target furrys. By ousting yourself as a furry here you're essentially making yourself a black man at a Ku Klux Klan rally. Not saying that all of this harassment should have occurred, but it certainly wasn't unforeseeable to the victims. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::*ThatMan has nailed why Delabonte and others feel warranted in acting like they do and this is pretty much the justification for some of Cog's and Clyde's actions here. Remember, this is a critical site of Chris, essentially out to troll him, and so you're not going to be attracting the same sort of people to edit as say, Wikipedia. I can talk to Delabonte about shit.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Actually, I'm not a furry (they scare me, to be quite honest- I'd sooner run through traffic and fling myself off a highway bridge than be one) but the point here, as shown by your post is, is about the exploits of Chris and the trolls who have trolled him, not a place for people to use trolling to vent their anger upon here. I don't support weeabooism, but I also don't support using CWCki as a stress ball. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 05:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Also, Chris is a particularly bad furry, so bashing them is arguably part of our mission. We shouldn't get carried away, but I don't think anybody would object to the occasional snippy comment. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 21:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== User pages for banned users ==

Anyone opposed to not having user pages for banned users? Seems to be taking up space and seems sorta silly. I once said something along the lines of "To serve an example" or something but now I think it's just a waste of space. Anyone opposed to deleting user pages of permanently banned user? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:No objections here. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Depends on the user. I see no problem in deleting some of IBAGeneva's accounts, but we should keep a couple of examples (maybe between five and ten?).--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] forgot to sign
:I would agree that we should just delete their pages so as to not waste space, but is there any way we could possibly mark that they were banned when their signature is shown on talk pages and stuff like that? I just feel like this would help prevent any potential confusion between users who are banned and users who don't have user pages. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 01:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*A short page about wby they were banned sounds good. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::That actually gives me a better idea, maybe their could be a page of banned users, with notes showing the reason for why they were banned. When a user is banned, their userpage could just be a redirect to this page.--[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:::fuck what I was about to say, the best balance between saving space and giving good examples of what not to do would probably be to do what ThatMan suggested. ThatMan, you have done a great service for the operation of the CWCki. I salute you, good sir. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 05:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
*Well that settles it. People, you have 24 hours to make a page (in the CWCki namespace) with a list of banned users and their rationale. In 24 hours, I will delete all the banned user userpages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I'll do what I can. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 11:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*My lord, it is [[CWCki:Banned_Users|done.]] --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 12:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Userboxes ==

I think the usage of them is getting a bit out of control.

As I see it:
# unless you have a very convincing reason why a userbox should be on the main namespace, it really should be on a user's subpage.
# we get rid of some of the categories of of userboxes - it's handy to know which CWCki users are also PVCC members, it's not quite as important to know which CWCki users practice martial arts.

Thoughts? Any justifications why we should keep userboxes as they are? Personally I'm tempted to say that we should make user boxes as part of one's user subpage or at least remove the categories for most of these.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think they need to be culled. Specifically, the ones that don't have anything to do with Chris.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 02:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Either way is fine. They're not exactly a big part of the site. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 15:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry about that. I'll keep my own userbox whoring under control. Just thought I was being clever at making more Chris jokes. (Keep in mind that I didn't add all those userboxes indicating race/gender/and religion, though I did modify the one for my own race.
:But I think the "Armchair psychologist" could be kept for some practical use, like a <s>barnstar</s> award for those who have contributed much analysis of Chris's mindset. --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 16:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just want to say here that armchair psychologists are not why we are here. We are here to document Chris, not theorise on his mindset. That stuff is okay in tiny doses but if you plan on doing it so often that you want a box for it, go to [[/cwc/]].--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think Nationality might be useful, if only to establish about what time said user would be active. But stuff like cats, or naive, etc. have no practical use. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 20:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Why not just have time zone stamps then? Honestly I've thought that these userboxes were stupid for a while, glad to see I'm not alone in that. Honestly only a select few of them really seem necessary. Other than ones related to staff positions held by certain members and perhaps something useful such as what Bill Lumberg brought up, none of them really serve any meaningful purpose. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 00:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*Obviously not all of them have to be useful, as some of them are just fun and a way to encourage people to edit the CWCki. A time zone stamp would be good, though the nationality userboxes tend to be more flavorful (i.e. it's funnier to say something about the fact you're an American than you live in GMT -5). Some could in theory be useful - if you're a drawfag, then people can ask you to draw stuff for articles and whatnot.
::::Problem people are having is that people are getting carried away - do people really need to know you're a Zoroastiarian? Do people need to know you're a weaboo who's into manga moreso than anime? I think in general, we need to work on making pages, in the style of Wikipedia, serve as a way of describing one's contributions ''to the CWCki,'' not just a "about yourself" page.
::::There's nothing wrong with the userboxes, like I said, it's people getting carried away is what seems to be troubling.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::So where do we draw the line? I think that's the real problem; there's no set limit to what the userboxes should be for. Having "flavorful" userboxes tends to be a gray area that needs some definition. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 16:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
* It should be pretty simple: keep the nationality boxes, Warrior, Observer, and the like, and the awards. We don't need to know if you're straight or gay or if you're Christian or atheist. We just need where you're from, and what you're doing here. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 17:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==Fuckwit Alert template ==

I propose we remove the Fuckwit Alert userbox or whatever it's called. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I am happy to do the removing myself--[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a good idea, go for it [[User:Notslowpoke|Notslowpoke]] 03:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ronichu, you can't remove shit here. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::*Correct. Neither can you. I'd just like to politely point out that '''you are not a mod here'''. I think it's high time you were either directly promoted to be one so you have a badge to go with that attitude (at which point you '''can''' cast down proclamations from on-high with righteous fury) or '''learn to accept that you are not a mod here''' and act accordingly. I'm not fussed either way. The overwhelming consensus from users (and some people who '''are''' mods), irrespective of if they have that userbox or not, seems to be that it should go. So unless an '''actual CWCki mod''' steps in and says not to, in a few days I'll start removing the userboxes from user pages. If you re-add it, it's page vandalism and will be treated accordingly (reverted). I have little patience for wanna-be mods acting like their big brother is the sheriff so they can just do what they please. This isn't PVCC, it isn't ED, it isn't a place for you to do whoever the fuck you want and go around posturing, making vague threats and acting like you own the place. '''You don't. Cogs does.''' If she wants you to to have unlimited power, she has that ability to grant it to you; if she grants it to you, all well and good. Then it's official. Her website, her decision. But until then the CWCki is ONLY about documenting and discussing Chris (and occasionally peripheral other stuff). So either get on with with the [[Chris|task at hand]], or get promoted and make your inane desires official policy, or go back to EDF/PVCC where you can be lord of all creation or whatever the fuck. PVCC and the CWCki have different mods and this is by design. TL;DR so either officially become a mod or '''shut up''' and behave yourself. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
{{Quote|It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users.|Champthom, on this very page.}}
Now obviously I'm not a admin or a Jerkop or PVCC or anything, but it seems to me that the fuckwit alert template causes way more problems than it solves.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
*It's very tedious for me when furries who have barely been here for six months act like they own the place and presume what Cogs does or doesn't think. I think what bothers you here is the fact although we are presumably "equals" (lol) I did something you never could, and excercised power you don't have. As has been pointed out before, I am just fufilling the wishes of the PVCC. May I remind you Cogs okayed the template and it hasn't been an issue until you brought it up now? If Cogs says take it down (and she might), well, then the template should be taken down. Until there they remain as a reminder for certain furries (who want to be big elite trolls) to back off a certain user. Go back to doing [[Sydney Contacts|piss poor imitations of women]], Ronichu. The only person making a big deal of this are those who have fallen under my hawk-like gaze. My mind is closed on the matter. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 16:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
**I'd like to point a few things out. First off, you've made 952 edits to this wiki in your 15-odd months here. That's 1.8 edits per day. Ronichu has made 842 edits in 6.5-ish months, which is 4.2 edits per day. Ronichu is known for devoting hours to transcriptions. You are well known for plastering the wiki with "Not a Forum" templates. I wouldn't overstate your influence here. While you may have done something which is vaguely useful at some point in the past, Ronichu has done far more for this wiki than you have and even Champ is getting fed up with your antics. Ronichu made a good point and I suggest you get off your high horse and learn something. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
***And I just want someone to explain to me what the fuck I did wrong to get the template, and why i'm also the target of all these vauge threats. I didn't even touch that "certain user". Check the entire page history; I've done jack shit to interfere. What is my crime, and at what point did I try to be a "big elite troll"? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 17:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*You probably got it because you [http://cogsdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coffee_Place&oldid=101640 posted on the Coffee Place talk page.] [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 18:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::So? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that I got this template for those two sentences. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 19:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

===Why I've banned Delabonte===
Delabonte '''was''' a good user. He's edited a lot and contributed to the CWCki. However, after receiving warnings on the CWCki and a PVCC thread discussing the CWCki, he continues to spend most of his time on the CWCki harassing users and enforcing arbitrary rules. Yes, some of you did do stupid stuff. However, telling them that they're "under watch" and whatnot is no way to do it. Cogs in the PVCC thread conceded that Delabonte went "too far" in some regards and others accused him of taking the CWCki more seriously than I do. I do take the CWCki seriously but I find that setting low but reasonable expectations of users leads to less frustration on my part.

People, some words of wisdom:
# read between the lines of what I or someone like Cogs or Clyde says, as it'll clue you into things.

# don't contact Chris or anyone you think might be Chris. Yes, I hate to break it to you but you're probably not going to get through and if you do you're going to piss people off. As I've discussed with Ronichu before, you can contribute to trolling Chris in a lot of different ways than trolling him directly. As he aptly put it, it's like the Air Force - only a tiny percentage of the Air Force actually flies planes, the rest are support. If it's any consolation, I've never directly trolled Chris (well, there was an IRC chat but that was one small instance) and I probably won't.

#try to contribute to CWCki. I do not mean to offend anyone by saying this, but please don't use CWCki as any of the following (not inclusive): a place to plug your fan work and not contribute anything else, a place to "express yourself", a place to attempt to troll Chris, a place to create drama, etc.

#rules are not always absolute on the CWCki. Cogs and Clyde have very different admining styles than I do. As I've said before, this is ultimately Cog's site so she gets to do what she wants and I really can't stop her and sometimes she does things that go against general policy. However, the nice thing about not having absolute rules is that they're flexible when they need to be. In any case, don't cite things I say when someone is being an ass because if they're being an ass, they probably don't give a shit about what I said a few months ago. Tell them why they're being an ass, how being an ass is not helping their cause, and that they should stop being an ass and you'll be getting farther along without creating drama.

You'll avoid pissing people like Delabonte off if you manage to follow these rules. If you have questions about stuff, feel free to ask people in IRC or contact me. In general, the adage of "LURK MOAR" holds true.

Delabonte is only banned for six months. Originally I planned for a year but I think six months is more sufficient. Hopefully he will use this break to reflect on things.

His general concern about the quality of CWCki editors is valid and his zeal in trolling Chris can be appreciated on some level, but his tactics of going about it have no place here. So yeah, let's cut this drama and get back to editing the CWCki. Time I spent writing this could have gone to something more worthwhile, like helping [[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] transcribe some Mumble chats.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you for this and everything else. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 02:55, 5 August 2010 (PDT)

==Hey faggots==
If we are all done arguing about templates and about who put one where and what not, there's a few long overdue transcriptions and shit that could be worked on. Quit being a bunch of drama queens, all of you. I don't give a shit how many edits you have, what you have produced or who fucking hates who. Take my fucking advice and work on community projects or your own projects and ditch that whole wall of text above. If any of you in the above section keep it up, I can guarantee that someone at the top is going to come along and yell at this shitload of faggotry. We need all of you here doing stuff.

Let me rephrase that slightly: we need all of you here doing something less dramatic and more helpful. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I completely agree. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 01:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a plan.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 01:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Feeding the trolls ==

To formalize this, feeding the trolls and vandals is strongly discouraged. Anyone who taunts, insults, etc. a troll no matter how much they really deserve it will be warned first, then banned temporarily on the second offense. Multiple offenses will be dealt with longer bannings. Just as a warning. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:05, 12 September 2010 (PDT)

==User talk pages==

I've been noticing [[user:Eniggy|quite]] [[User:Pfargtl9000| a few]] of you have been leaving unneeded messages on the talk pages of other users. While not a flagrant violation of CWCki rules, it's still something I feel should be avoided. If somebody is doing something you don't like, take it up with a jerkop and they will investigate any misconduct (these being shitty edits, forced content, ect). If you look at Champthom's topic above this one you will see that this topic runs along the same lines, only it extends to all user talk pages and not just those of vandals. It's best not to pick fights with other editors, because you're not just representing yourself when you make a post, you're representing the CWCki as a whole. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:30, 26 September 2010 (PDT)

== Contact Information ==

I feel the need to clarify our policies towards the posting of personal contact information (phone numbers, e-mail addresses, home address) of those who are in contact with Chris. The posting of said information is forbidden. Posting said information here voids the neutrality of the CWCki, changing it from a passive repository of Chris doings, to a base from which trolling attempts are launched. Please take this into consideration. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:52, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

== Video Upload Dates ==

Recently there seems to be some confusion over the upload dates of some videos. It's far easier to just go by the date specified on the YouTube video page - as that not only gives us a static point from which to base dates, but it is also the date when the video was uploaded, rather than when it finished processing. OH and did I mention that YouTube is in the same timezone as the CWCki? --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 18:19, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

== JenkinsJinkies Policy ==

JJ is not Chris. I believe that Chris is lying about being him. [[Wikipedia:sarcasm|I'm pretty sure he's a badass troll who hitchhiked from Boston at age fifteen. That's not so unbelievable, right?]]

Anyway, until we say otherwise, anything Chris says about being JJ is a [[Wikipedia:Truth|lie]]. We don't want to scare him off now, do we?

If this is too subtle for you, I can answer all your questions here: http://qchat.rizon.net/?&channels=%23cwcki-fun

Just remember, anything I tell you is to remain off of CWCki. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 20:49, 6 November 2010 (PDT)
:Ok, an update. Our best researchers have determined that JJ actually '''is''' Chris. '''SURPRISE'''
:So you can start putting [http://trollingtrain.10.forumer.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3 his posts from trollingtrain] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlVjW06MDk his application] on cwcki. Go, go and edit to the extreme! [[User:Canine|Canine]] 16:48, 30 January 2011 (PST)
::I'll start an article for the video if nobody else has yet. Any idea what it should be named/what it was named? I didn't save the original. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:09, 30 January 2011 (PST)
:::JenkinsJinkiesCwckiApplication.MOV [[User:Canine|Canine]] 17:28, 30 January 2011 (PST)

== Reminder about jerkop powers ==

As a reminder, jerkop powers are '''limited to dealing with vandalism''' , as per my [[CWCki:Community_Portal/Archive_5#Memorandum_on_Jerkop_powers|memo on Jerkop powers]]. By vandalism, we take a page from Wikipedia by stating that vandalism is a deliberate attempt at violating the integrity of CWCki. CrassCrab has been using his jerkop powers as editorial influence which he had no right to do. He will be banned until 00:00 GMT Christmas day (his sentence was originally a week but 'tis the season and whatnot) which should give him time to reflect. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:29, 23 December 2010 (PST)

== Shut down the CWCki to selected users ==
all we get is stupid edits, i think we have 90% bad edits and 10% good edits now. there is no new information. the only thing we can do now is refine old articles and people are doing a bad job of it because speculation is gay and i hate you all etc. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 21:24, 16 January 2011 (PST)
:I'm actually kind of interested in this idea, but I have three questions. 1. On what scale do you want to measure good/bad edits? 2. Who keeps their accounts? 3. How do people without accounts apply for one (assumedly, it would be possible to do this because otherwise when people left, the editor base wouldn't replenish itself)? I mean, preventing retarded edits is obviously a good idea, but if it's "we'll just ban a couple retards and prevent new accounts", that might prove counterproductive. Some of the more recent new accounts actually have improved the wiki, even if only in a small way. On the other hand, if it's "ban everyone except for 4 or 5 people", the integrity of the wiki would be preserved, but new content/revision of articles would also be a slower process and, as some recent edits have shown, there have been a lot of typos/oversights in old articles that prove that the wiki still isn't perfect. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 02:14, 17 January 2011 (PST)
*No Clyde, this is a bad idea and goes against wiki standards. I do think we need to work on style, that is what should go in an article and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:43, 17 January 2011 (PST)

== User page and talk page policy discussion ==

Recent events have made me think that perhaps we should consider our policy in regards to user pages and user talk pages.

Generally, one has been free to do with one's user page as they want within reason (i.e. not use it as a pastebin or something like that). In regards to use talk pages, I've found that while it's encouraged that you keep all comments posted on there available for good form, one is free to remove comments.

Now here's the problem with user pages. Sometimes people use them to "express" themselves and well, shit like [https://789chan.org/cwc/res/35641.html this] goes down. While I do my best to make CWCki a safe environment where people can edit freely without fear, I cannot protect everyone from being trolled themselves. So I think we need to discuss a new user page policy, perhaps limiting to CWCki related projects.

Likewise, user talk pages. Obviously one is free to remove trolling, but some people think comments should be preserved.

So, what do you all think of this? Obviously, I'd like to solicit some discussion before anything is implemented so let's discuss what you all think about user pages and talk pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:42, 2 February 2011 (PST)
:I think editing other people's comments, where ever they might be, is pretty faggy and shouldn't be tolerated.
:But people shouldn't be harassed either. I would say that we can't trust people to only remove comments that "cross the line". They'll be more likely to get offended at personal comments. Conflict of interest and whatnot. Perhaps they can complain to an admin? [[User:Canine|Canine]] 19:54, 2 February 2011 (PST)

I think a good policy is to get a little tougher on the relevance of the CWCki to Chris. Essentially if an edit doesn't in some way relate to Chris, or an article on the wiki, then should it really be made? That said, here are my suggested guidelines:

- "Apolitical": The CWCki is apolitical. While discussion of Chris's stunted views on politics (and those around him) is permitted, it's not a place to push your own agendas. ("Chris, like all lefty pinko welfare state advocates, has no idea about how taxes work", "Bob, like all fascist, warmongering Republicans, hates brown people" etc etc).

- "The Snowflake Rule": The CWCki doesn't care about you. You are not a precious snowflake. Even if it focuses on Chris, don't link to your personal website, your webcomic, hat store, ED page, whatever. It might be [[Asperchu|absolutely brilliant]], but it has no place being 'pushed' here. Don't compare yourself to Chris, nor dump your own embaressing personal information here. Nobody cares you have autism. Nobody cares you're also a virgin with rage. See Not A Forum.

- "Hornet's Nest": The CWCki is frequented by trolls. A lot of trolls. Despite a firm anti-harassment policy, if you choose to kick the hornets nest, it can't protect you from being stung. Be polite, don't push your own agendas, contribute meaningfully and selflessly, and harden up. You don't have to have the last word.

All I got for now. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 14:16, 4 February 2011 (PST)

== Question About Articles on trolls ==

Kind of a newfag so this question may have been asked before, but its been on my mind. I can understand why topics on Trolls don't have 'real' information (Such as the TRUE and HONEST CWC) as thats outside of the purviews of wiki and isn't at all necessary. But I think there should be disclaimers on articles that are 'In-Troll'. Not that I don't think that readers can't read between the lines (or recognize the blatantly obvious), I'm just a bit OCD and would like there to be more internal consistency (for example the article on Autism says its painfully obvious the TRUE and HONEST CWC isn't, while several claim he is).--[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 20:05, 20 February 2011 (CST)
*I think the issue is that the articles get written when it's still relevant e.g. creating the Jackie article while she was still in the picture. Since Chris might browse the CWCki at any time, the articles have to not give shit away. Because nobody is really sure when the people stop being important (because nobody knows what Chris will do), the articles never get rewritten. That's just my take on it, but I don't know if that's right or not. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 07:52, 21 February 2011 (PST)
**Well there's supposed to be an improvement drive, and it's looking like the days of trolling CWC have come to an end. I think this should be considered for improvement. I'm not saying there needs to be any sort of Real-life behind the scenes bullshit for the trolls, I don't want that. But just a bit more consistency between articles would be good. --[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 16:15, 21 February 2011 (CST)

== The Wallflower policy and extending it ==

I think we should formalize The Wallflower policy. Someone who's up to it, write up a policy regarding using [[The Wallflower]] on here, namely how it was at her request. Ideally the person who gets around to writing this would go through the community portal and the Wallflower article talk page to understand the specifics of the policy. Try and do the best that you can and I can fill in the gaps. [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] wrote a good one a while ago but I can't find it. Whoever gets around to it, post it [[CWCki:The Wallflower|here]].

I have been thinking, I think that we may want to extend this policy. Not so much that we change all of Chris's friend's article names, but namely removing personal references from articles, namely current MySpace pages, that sort of thing. I have a feeling that Chris might be using the CWCki to stalk his gal pals and I'd prefer not to enable Chris. However, I'd like to get some feedback before we did anything with it, so thoughts on personal info on pages? Should pages have references to current career statuses, MySpace/Facebook accounts, etc.? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:42, 7 March 2011 (PST)

== Public Domain Certification ==

Not sure if this should go under policy or technical or whatever, but I'll put it here.

I noticed that this website is under Public Domain, but when you click on the link at the bottom, it takes you to a Creative Commons page that says the Public Domain Certification is retired and should no longer be used. Apparently it should be replaced with a "CC0 Public Domain Dedication and Public Domain Mark" according to the website. I'm wondering if that's actually necessary or if just putting "Content is available under Public Domain." at the bottom of the page is good enough. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 14:07, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
*I'd talk to [[User:Cogsdev|Cogs]] about that. We're sorta liberal on copyrights, and most of the stuff uploaded here probably couldn't be considered public domain under the strict definition. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:05, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
* The long and short of it is that public domain ''as a concept'' is still OK if you're just looking at the United States, but Creative Commons wants to promote the CC0 dedication as a global alternative, because not all countries have the concept of public domain. (For example, I'm in Finland, and technically I'm not allowed to renounce copyrights on my works. But I absolutely don't care what people do with my CWCki contributions. So there. =) So if CWCki stays on PD, it's not a huge issue. Saying the material is explicitly CC0 would just clarify legal issues for non-US contributors. Also, as Champ says, we have stuff that definitely ''is'' copyrighted. We'd need some sort of a clear legal policy that dictates what material is and what material isn't covered by this, but it's another matter altogether if people would want to work on such policy. (Takes away time from productive stuff. Crafting elaborate copyright policies might make people look like CWC-obsessed geeks. And so on and so forth. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 04:01, 9 August 2011 (PDT)

== De-memeing the CWCki ==

You know, as I continue to contribute to the CWCki, I often see things in a new way. One such thing is the use of memes on the CWCki. Now I've always been alright with appropriate use of memes, as trolls are our primary readership so it makes sense to have cultural references that are relevant to them. But on the other hand, I've come to realize that this might be lazy. Instead of coming up with our own jokes or utilizing the many rich and unique Chris related memes, we're just stealing jokes from elsewhere. I also feel that it affects our credibility, as speaking in troll parlance makes us seem biased towards trolls.

So pretty much what I'd do is try to remove as many memes as possible - getting rid of reaction images (which, IMHO, are a waste of space and just lazy), changing "Sauces" to "References", that sort of thing. Obviously keeping references to memes that are appropriate to understanding Chris related phenomena.

As this is a rather large policy proposal, I'd like to have some people's thoughts on the matter. Personally I think it'd be an extension of [[CWCki:NOTED|"CWCki is not ED"]] but I'd rather ask other people what they think since like I said, it's a big policy move and some people like memes.

Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:10, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
*YES. DEAR GOD YES. I don't have a problem with most memes, but some of this shit is getting way out of hand. "Reaction images" are not funny anyway, and when I rewrote [[Chris and religion]] I found no less than ''three'' of them in quick sucession, and I couldn't even remove them all because they were the ONLY images for that particular section of the article. I'm always changing "sauces" to "references" anyway, because for some reason it's extremely prevalent, (and by the way Champ, don't think I don't know you started that annoying trend. You and me will be having words later). I would also like to remind people of the previous state of the [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] article, which I like to call the CWCki's malignant tumour, and remind you all that until recently we had a page about a fucking Advice Dog spinoff. Like I said, I don't have a problem with memes, if they're funny at least, but all this stuff that you're talking about like the reaction images is just shit that's clogging up the toilet. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:59, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*'''I agree.''' Memes that die are often used incorrectly, without or out of any funny context. Reaction images are something that stuck when Chris was pumping out videos, however, like you said, they are lazy and only clog the toilet. In the article Champthom had shown, we are not here for "epic lulz", nor are we trying to be biased towards the Trolls. We only bash Chris when there is proof to merit it. So I agree that we could take out a few memes that are just kinda there, without purpose. I am curious what you guys think, too. [[User:Ash link|Ash link]] 09:17, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*When someone who has "Meme" in their name makes a case against memes, you know they have something to say. Well since I haven't heard any strong arguments for keeping the status quo, I think we should go about de-memeing the CWCki. I'll reword the "not ED thing to relate to this. I'm not going to ban every use of a meme, just strongly discourage it and avoid it as a matter of style. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:45, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*I guess I see your point, but put thought into it before deleting. I admit 3 face palms on the religion article is a bit much, but 1 face palming religious figure I feel is needed. I guess if the meme Really fits it should stay. Like Paul reacts to chris' video I feel is very appropriate, or the bitches and whores pic on the one article is okay, because its right next to the part where chris starts saying women don't do this this and this, but they do. So yeah overkill and needless placement of some should be scraped, but chris gets trolled by memes and internet related culture alot, id like to delve further, but im at work posting this from a phone. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 09:23, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*Oh wow. It's actually happened. We can at last look forward to a brighter future with less ED inspired retardery on these pages. No more dumb reaction images everywhere. The CWCki is blessed this day comrades. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:09, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

*167 pages use "Sauces", can admins use some kind of shortcut to change them all at once? [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 04:30, 5 October 2011 (PDT)

== Removal of "Reaction Images" ==

There is an abundance of tangentially related "reaction images" in almost every article. In an attempt to streamline the wiki and free up some space, I suggest we trim the fat by removing reaction images and cheap Photoshops. As an example: [[100 2269|This article]], everything goes. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 22:56, 18 September 2011 (PDT)
*Well given at least two people have been in favor for this, why not? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:43, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Endorse this policy. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:58, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
**Well, I'll just get started then. I'm going to be fairly zealous about removing images and marking them for deletion. If it's just an image for a pun, or joke, it's going. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 12:13, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Note that my endorsement of this policy is purely for images unrelated to Chris, such as random celebrity "reactions". Not that we have many, but any which are of Chris and/or his family should probably stay. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:20, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
:*Double note: I have a working tool which will help make the process of mass deletions easier. Once I get canine to run a maintenance script on the CWCki, I will use the tool to help delete the images with as little effort as possible. Note that this tool is manually operated and each deletion is manually checked - but just thought I'd mention it to prevent any RSI from anyone who was thinking of undertaking a completely manual deletion process. Good work on the tagging so far though. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:30, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

== User page policy ==

I've implemented a policy on [[CWCki:User pages|user pages]]. If anyone feels they can elaborate on it, by all means do so. I've noticed though that a lot of the people getting trolled on /cwc/ were brought to their attention through their user pages on the CWCki which is why I'm tightening down on user page content, as I'd rather not see people get trolled. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:20, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*I thought trolling was okay as long as it didn't actually happen on CWCki? I've got to see Champ, I am disappoint. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:12, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*We've had...issues in the past. This policy is purely something we can point to and fall back on if we need to. I've added a section on the rules about editing user pages. It's a fairly simple rule - if it isn't your own user page, you most likely shouldn't be editing it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:07, 23 September 2011 (PDT)

==New Fan Works Policy==
Now before anyone goes apeshit, I don't mean bringing back the fan section. That thing is better off dead. I want to open a discussion on our policy with relation to fan videos and fan art used on this wiki for articles. We have a lot of this stuff on our pages, and the quality varies considerably. I was inspired to do this when a user called [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]], (a man after my own heart), went on a crusade to cut all the faggotry out of the CWCki. In his edits, he removed a lot of fan art and fan videos, and for that reason some users saw fit to revert his edits. Thing is, I agreed with him. Those images and videos often were just stupid and pointless, particularly the ones on the [[homos]] article that seemed to serve no other purpose than to go "LOL CHRIS IS GAY WHAT A FAG LOLOLOLOLOL".

However, even though I reverted them back so that the fan videos were removed, the opposition did make some good arguments in favour of them. Particularly since one image was actually an Artist's Commune commission and some of the videos on the Bob Chandler page were tributes. For that reason I spared those. What I'm getting at, is that we need a cover-all policy about fan art and fan videos that can allow us to remove or at least move the faggy stuff and keep in the stuff that's relevant and serves a purpose. And no, we can't just keep everything. CWCki is not free advertising for your shitty Chris remix on [[Youtube]], or a place to dump your manga interpretation of Sonichu.

That said, begin discussion. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 02:33, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*There was once a time where I pretty much allowed anything in terms of fan art. However, around the time some user uploaded very bizarre pics that looked like a 3 year old did them in MS Paint with bizarre summaries like "lol rosechu has been very bad" made me reconsider it. Generally, my rule of thumb is that if it illustrates a Chris related concept, it has merit on the CWCki. Now there's probably stuff on here that doesn't meet these qualifications specifically. I think that there's some very good fan art out there by very talented artists and I think they merit a place on the CWCki. For instance, I just uploaded a picture of Chris doing a self portrait ala Normal Rockwell. It doesn't strictly illustrate a Chris related topic but you gotta admit it's pretty good. I'd like to see more artists contribute to the CWCki so we can have some original content to illustrate Chris related topics. But what I'm not crazy about is when articles will have art for the sake of having art or (one of my peeves) huge ass sections in video articles with various remixes and stuff. True, there are some great fan remixes and such but when there's like 20 of them on a given page, that's hella annoying.
:The problem of fan art is that I really don't want to judge fan art's merit based on whether it's "good" or not, as that's mostly an aesthetics issue and I'm no art critic, so I think it ultimately has to come down to whether it illustrates a Chris related topic or not.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:57, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*In this case I think we need to set a standard as to what relates to a topic and what doesn't, but I think quality needs to be a factor as well. Having poor MS Paint drawings used as an image article just makes a page in general look bad. Let's take something easy with lots of images relating to it for an example. [[The Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail]]. Look through the gallery, and tell me what you think would and would not be appropriate as an image on that page. And on an unrelated note, I would like to request that I be promoted to some position that will allow me to delete files, because god fucking damnit look at the last image of that gallery. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:38, 28 January 2012 (PST)

*Hello, this is what I think are the problems when it comes to images;

1. '''Pictures of icons "reacting" to Chris.''' There is really no point to this, we know Chris is stupid, I don't think an impromptu picture of Lucille Ball is going to affect anyone but the idiot who posted it.. Actually I would go so far to say no pictures of people unrelated to Chris unless they are there to truly prove a point (like having a picture of Leonard Bernstein on the [[Christopher's name change]] page).

2. '''Pictures that only Weaboos/Bronys/Sonicfags/Etc. Can Understand''' This is bad because it embarrasses the CWCki by bringing the A-log type people who inhabit the CWCki to light. We want to look better than Chris, not on the same level.

3. '''Good images?''' If an image is actually ''good'' there is really no reason why it shouldn't be on here (IF it is actually Chris fan work). If an image is a shitty photoshop and funny then keep it too.

Thank you very much. I'm sorry if I caused any chaos earlier. [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]] 13:37, 29 January 2012 (PST)
:We actually don't allow reaction images anymore. They were in almost every article and they just aren't funny. I thought we had them all by this point, but I guess some slipped through the net. The other points I can also agree with, but I think they're a bit too vague to actually make a policy about. I think the unspoken rule is that uploading your own artwork to the CWCki is generally a bad idea. Upload it to some other site, and if people like it, it'll end up here anyway. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 14:19, 29 January 2012 (PST)
*With regards to point three, I think we need a place to compile the images that come under that "good image" definition, e.g. all the stuff that is considered good or funny like our current picture of the now but that we can't put in any other articles, and from then on either something goes into an article, goes into that page, or we delete it for being useless and faggy. Right now we just have a category for fan art, and that's cluttered with loads of fan works and crap that survived the purge or reaction images that have been removed but no-one ever got around to deleting, which speaking of which someone really should. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:19, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Month articles ==

I made a post about this on [[2013]] and I'm not sure if anyone will bother to read this, but here goes - I think for 2013, we should just have the 2013 article and have months as subsections, like the 1990s articles. If, by some remote chance, Chris comes back to the Internet and posts daily, then we can always make separate articles for each month. But while he's being a recluse and we might get one minor update a month, if we're lucky, I don't see the point of having an entire article for a month if it just has one thing like "Chris changed his Facebook profile image" or something like that. I bring this up because I know people in the past thought it was helpful to make month articles in advance but I don't think that's the case. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:32, 30 December 2012 (PST)

== Chris's gender ==

So it appears to be confirmed that Chris now considers himself a woman and prefers to be referred to as such, which brings up to the issue of whether we are to refer to Chris as a man or a woman in terms of pronouns.

Obviously people have strong opinions and biases on each side, but we need to remember that regardless of what your opinion on the issue of transgenderism is, it's really not our position to judge whether Chris is actually transgendered or not. However, I think we do need to consider at what point is it acceptable to refer to someone as their preferred gender - is it just by saying you're transgendered? Is it when you start doing therapy? There's obviously social protocol about this which I'm not sure. From what little I understand, I believe you're supposed to refer to people by whatever gender they prefer and not to question their motives.

I'm inclined to say we refer to Chris as a "she." I'm not a big fan of that idea personally, it'll be a shitload of work to rework all the articles to reflect this, but again, this isn't about my personal views on the matter but rather what's best to provide at least somewhat neutral, less-biased information about Chris. This is why I think we need a "Chris and gender" issue as it's getting more complicated than the little section we have in [[Chris and sex]] which mostly reflects less relevant information we knew about Chris and how he viewed his gender.

It might be prudent, I think to maybe wait a month or so before we do anything. There is a chance Chris will decide to be referred to as a man for some reason and for that reason, it might be worth a wait to see if he wants to be referred to by female pronouns. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 02:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:No, you're right on the issue. As much as we bash Chris, his gender is his own, and we have to respect that to some degree. I'm perfectly fine to fix any pronoun/grammatical change where it's needed, but I think we should wait until about January before deciding.

:There's also a few new articles that need to be made, as the 'cat/dog' spambox seems to have stopped working; including a page for the upcoming [[2015]]. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 5:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:Also, we severely need to add a page about that brushfire video Chris made in October or November! --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:I say wait for it until January like what Boomhauer posted, but there's one point I think I should refer Chris as a "she" for now which is the Facebook post where William refers Chris as "her". [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 06:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

:The relationship between the CWCKi and Chris is a hostile one, so I don't think we should concern ourselves with the courtesy of Chris' pronoun preferences. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 00:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

::Not quite; if anything, the CWCki has been (or at least now is) dedicated simply to documenting Chris, not provoking. In fact, there's been a lot of de-a-logging for old articles, recently, albeit a few jabs here and there are fine, when in proper context. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 21:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:::Nah, it hosts his private info, including his nudes. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 22:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

::::And even more articles outlining his lifestyle and psyche; what's your point? That we have pictures of him in his tighty-wighties? [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 1:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

::::A lot of that stuff has been released by third parties or often times, Chris himself. It's not really our fault if Chris is a poor judge of character. The goal has always been just to document, a lot of the confrontation with Chris were more or less due to efforts to appease certain people but the ideal has always been to be a neutral party in all this. We still have work to do in this regard but in any case, our position is not outright hostility and I'd like to reflect this by doing whatever's appropriate to refer to Chris's preferred gender.
::::As an update, it looks like Chris is referring to himself (herself?) as "Christine" on Miiverse or whatever, but still "Christian" on Facebook. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

:::::Chris hates the CWCki, and the CWCki is the primary repository for cocks that are invasions of his privacy. Are we really going to pretend anything otherwise? XD

:::::But anyways, I don't think the burden is on us to re-write the pronoun usage on the entire CWCki because of Chris' recent decision. Maybe stuff going forward, but that would probably be confusing. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 10:19, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

:I think we should simply refer to him as a man, for now at least. It'd take quite a bit of work, going back and retconning gender pronouns, and even then, do we refer to him as female consistently, or only after he began identifying as a woman? Not to mention, Chris is of course really whimsical - what appear to be strongly held convictions of his can cave overnight, sometimes with very little impetus - look at his U-turn on drinking, and lesbians (admittedly, that one has vacillated a bit, and was always quite a bit more nuanced). [[User:Lysistrata|Lysistrata]] ([[User talk:Lysistrata|talk]]) 02:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

===Update===
According this latest [[January_2015_Facebook_posts#I_will_force_respect_out_of_others|Facebook post]], Chris specifically requests to be referred to with female pronouns. The intention of the CWCki is not confrontational with Chris and I've done my best to keep the CWCki from being used as a tool to troll Chris. Some people have in the past but it that was because my protests were ignored.

Usually when I'm not sure how to approach a wiki based issue, I look to a site like Wikipedia to see how they handle it as to see what sort of precedent exists. Probably the most notable case is the case with [[Wikipedia:Chelsea Manning|Chelsea Manning]] (formerly Bradley Manning) where there was a huge debate over how to handle the article when Bradley announced he is transgendered and wishes to be referred to as Chelsea. The issue of timing of when to refer to Chris as a "he" or a "she" was brought up and based on that article, the article describes "she was born..." as opposed to "he was born..." even though biologically she was born with male genitallia.

Again, the CWCki's place is not to piss off Chris directly or intentionally at least. It's always been to inform people with an attempt to be impartial through with a healthy dose of criticism. I realize that many people have strong opinions about transgenderism in each way or the other, but it's not really our place to let our personal opinions determine policy. The common decency thing is to refer Chris by his preferred pronoun (I apologize for using "his," old habits die hard) as you would anyone who announces they're transgendered.

I think our case is a bit more complicated than the Chelsea Manning article on Wikipedia. The article was just one article and maybe a few related articles that might have referred to as Manning, whereas we're dealing with changing pronouns in just about all of the over 1000 articles on this wiki. It'll take an effort to change every single masculine pronoun referring to Chris to a feminine one. We've waited a month and it seems like Chris is very serious about his female identity, he's made comments like "no operation yet" and this is no longer just something crazy he's doing to attract women.

So here's a few options we could do:

1) Go through each and every article, change masculine pronouns to feminine in reference to Chris. My concern here is any edit wars over those who insist that Chris be referred to as a man and with thousands of articles in question, it could be nasty and more work for poor admins like [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan]].

2) We leave the pronouns as they are. We however have a disclaimer in one of the policy pages that says that while we acknowledge that Chris prefers to be referred to as a woman and female pronouns, for the sake of simplicity, we will leave pronouns just the same. Henceforth, we would start referring to Chris by female pronouns.

Again, this is a huge policy decision, probably the biggest one we've ever had. That's why I'm kinda coming out of my inactivity to bring this. If we do go with a massive change of all the pronouns, I will even contribute towards the effort. As this is a major policy decision, I'd like to see what editors feel should be done about the matter. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 10:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

* I say go with option 2. If possible, I don't mind having the disclaimer at the main page too. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

* Between these two options I would go with the second one. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 10:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*The problem with option 1 is that ''Chris'' has historically identified as a "STRAIGHT MALE" who exhibited major homophobia up until 2014. Retroactively changing all his pronouns around with that kind of context still present would confuse the shit out of people. Plus you still have the crapton of people who refer to him as "he" after his announcement anyway for whatever reason. <s>I say we wait and see what jail he goes to.</s> My vote would be for option 2, with cautious editing from that point on, I guess. [[User:Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) 11:08, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*I say option 2. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 15:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*To add some meat to the discussion, let's allow for '''discussion until 26 January.''' I figure two weeks is ample time while not letting discussion drag out too long. I want to set a deadline so we're not discussing this and then failing to do anything as we don't know when to end discussion and when to act. Then we can determine the best course of action based on the general consensus of editors.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 17:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

CWCki:Policy

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For discussion of CWCki policy and rules.

== everything i say is important so it goes on top also purging the CWCki ==

I'm honestly tired of the resources being used on the CWCki for stupid bullshit like talk pages and user pages and fan works and speculation and etc. I'm sick of both the time spent on that and the ACTUAL resources. I've been trying to solve this god damn internal 500 server error and I'm fairly sure it has to do with the large amount of stupid pages and stupid edits that have been made over the years (this is sad, YEARS)

So stop spending time on the CWCki doing bullshit like making shitty templates denoted you are a cool guy or making a stupid sonichu troll art that's really neat and all and start working on actual stupid bullshit like mumble chats or something. at least that'll entertain more people than all this other shit people have been doing. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Purging histories. ==

At some point, I think we will need to purge the histories of high-edit count articles. I know that's against wiki standards, but I'm up to solving this 500 internal server error once and for all. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Fan Works policy ==

right now there aren't really any rules regards what can and cannot go in the fan namespace. this is because i trusted users to judge for themselves whether or not their work belonged on the cwcki. so, let's get its purpose straight: fan works was meant to be PVCC's troll productions subforum, but public. it is not, however, a mirror site incase deviantart goes down. i feel that some individuals are forgetting that this is a wiki about CWC. now, it's quite tricky to say what can and cannot be hosted here. there are very few examples of things being uploaded that are completely unrelated to chris or sonichu. however, i will try my best to clarify what is appropriate.

'''Examples of good fanworks:'''
* A drawing of CWC saying DYKES DYKES CHINA being placed into the "CWC's Second Message" article
* An "artist's depiction" of something we have no pictures of but how it may have looked, i.e. Chris in the mall with his attraction sign, Chris using his "red string of fate", Chris's IRL confrontation with Mary Lee Walsh, [[Fapcup]], etc
* Comics what are actually funny

'''Examples of bad fanworks:'''
* A Sonichu comic depicting how you think Sonichu should have been
* Shitty recolored Sonichu and Rosechu "original characters"
* Your shitty fursona with a Sonichu tail shoved up its ass

to summarise, i think the distinction lies in whether or not it is actually related to ''chris''. there are lots of things related to sonichu, many of which include chris, but are actually disconnected from chris's antics themselves. i don't think these are appropriate for this wiki, and i see their numbers increasing(although i would like to refrain from naming names).

please discuss any changes or clarifications that you wish made, however i would like to implement these new rules by the end of the week. if a user feels their own uploads were, in light of these policy changes, in error then they can remove them now to save the jerkops the trouble of removing them later.

PEACE, AND HAVE A GOOD DAY --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 21:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, could we see just what works are and are not on the chopping block? Just so we can see where we stand on this. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 02:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* i guess it might be useful to have a template for that --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 09:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No. When the purge is complete you will know exactly where you stand. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, does one need any kind of admin status to delete files? I'm trying to figure this out. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Just who decides what's worthy?===
I can get behind the fact that you want this wiki to be about Chris, with his Sonichu works simply being an extension of him. What bothers me is how all this hate coming from users complaining about fan works they simply don't care for. If fan works are removed all together from here, I'd be alright with that. But when someone said "all Sonichu-related works need to go, except the ones I like!" it seems more like favoritism rather than objective policy. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 00:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, though I myself am hardly unbiased. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 00:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's almost like this wiki is run by trolls who cae not for your feelings.--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 01:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Just because we troll Chris doesn't mean we can't deal with each other in a civilized manner. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 02:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't troll shit, spud. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 02:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Can anything be done on this site without creating a shitstorm? This isn't some crusade against drawfags, and it shouldn't be painted as such by EITHER side. The site is about Chris, and the large amount of coverage on his creations is only because they made up such a large part of his life. The CWCki isn't about Sonichu, it's about Chris. Maybe some exceptions can be made, but for now fanworks not directly about Chris need to go. I myself enjoy many, especially Fear and Loathing in CWCville, but unless it is used to successfully troll Chris, it doesn't belong here.
Thing is, we need a peaceful resolution to this. Shit with faggot users and /cwc/ is bad enough, we don't need this to blow up. Maybe exceptional fanworks can be allowed; if not, they can be hosted on DA, or perhaps a site devoted to Sonichu. The artists and fans need to remember that this isn't an attack against their work, it's just policy. Users who want to be active in the execution of this policy need to not be dicks about it, and be responsible about it. It's not "deleting shit one doesn't like," it's removing unnecessary images and articles. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 02:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well, like I've said before, I will print out every page, bind it, and mail it to him when I'm finished. Which should be in two weeks or so. If my works are deleted before then, I'm not going to worry too much. In fact, it wouldn't bother me much at all if the entire fan section was removed and all fan art was deleted. I'm just a little put off from the vitriol a lot of the critics are spewing. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::You think he's going to read it, that's cute. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Maybe, maybe not, what's the harm in trying? The most it'll cost me is a few bucks in postage. Well, that and the markers. Now I understand why he textwalls so much, those things dry out quick! :P --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I could totally get on board starting a new site just to host these things. If we do so, though, we need clearly-defined criteria as to what gets to stay. Limiting ourselves to stuff Chris has seen would be fair, but it would need to be absolutely enforced. Which is to say, we couldn't have a page on ''Chris Gets Laid'', excellent though it is, unless he himself responded to it in some way. -[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 03:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You could do that. That's entirely acceptable, as it focuses on Chris and its activities. What you couldn't do is a story about a Sonichu recolor having some dumb adventure while Chris gets laid as a side-story. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 03:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well by those rules, we'd have to delete the page on ''Sonichu Is Dead'', because Chris barely appears in it. We need a single, objective policy for what gets to stay and what doesn't, regardless of quality. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 11:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there has to be some kind of objective criteria, not just what largely seems to be "Your fic/comic is bad, and you should feel bad, ur a furfag lawl." If you want to cut fics because the Fan section is getting out of hand, fine. Just come up with a standard that makes sense and enforce it. If the "How you think Sonichu should have been" rule is enforced, then the entire fan section will be pretty much gutted. If we go with the "About Chris not Sonichu", well pretty much every fic has Chris' Mary Sue Avatar Combined with his real self on there, so where's the line? Is it IRL Chris, or Comic Chris? [[User:Mellowyellowsalvation|Mellowyellowsalvation]] 16:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*That's why I think limiting ourselves to stuff to which Chris has responded makes the most sense. He either did, or he didn't, and there are no shades of grey. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 02:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*As I've said elsewhere, I personally think the Fan Works index is more of a hassle than it's worth and we should get rid of it. Clyde has suggested a separate wiki and I think that might be the best solution. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
** I would agree that a second site for fan works would probably be the best course of action. However, I think we should consider keeping notable fanworks (that is, those that Chris has responded to) here on the CWCki. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 17:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
***This site is for things that have trolled Chris, so we should absolutely keep them. However, I notice that lots of things that don't fit those guidelines have survived the purge. Why? --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 15:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Re:Examples of bad fanworks ===

Most of the fan works don't seem to fall in any of those categories. Is there something else that's a problem?--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 00:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*No, a lot of the admins are just fickle, want things they specifically don't like deleted no matter if there was a good reason or not, and don't seem to realize that trolls don't necessarily have to be asses to anyone and everyone. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 12:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* Right. It's that, it has nothing to do with an overwhelming majority of it being some sick fucks fantasy and has virtually or literally nothing to do with Chris. They're just angry, angry DAMN DIRTY SLANDEROUS TROLLS. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 03:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

* To avoid altercations like this, I would delete the index entirely. Simply put, there are other, far more suitable venues to put this, so you won't ever have to lapse into offended rage, or conversely, argue with trolls sticking their 'n***** noses' in your business. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Dumb suggestion ===

Why couldn't we just grandfather stuff in? --[[User:GandWuser|GandWuser]] 12:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

=== my suggestion ===

wipe everything and start a new wiki because i'm cutting down everything that's eating up resources. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*people should pay attention to me more. also pay attention to me. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I like this idea. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

i've been considering moving to a new version of mediawiki, but might as well wait for 1.16 to reach stable. this should go on technical though i guess --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 19:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Guys===
The admins are at liberty to delete whatever the fuck they don't like. It just so happens they don't like torture porn involving Sonees and Roseys and comics intended to piss Chris off a la Asperchu. I know Asperchu gave you all hope for your fan comics and getting into the annals of troll history, but Asperchu happened because until then no one had attempted anything like it. The way to get into troll history is not to follow in the footsteps of more famous trolls, but to find areas of Chris's psyche no one has prodded before and poke the shit out of them until you get an angry YouTube video. If you really really REALLY still want your fics visible on the internet, make your own Sonichu site for fanworks or join a preexisting one, such as [http://caferosechu.110mb.com/index.html Cafe Rosechu] (which is run by the girl who made Capering Berries). ... As for the underage guro, fucking stop. That's disgusting. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 22:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
* What he said. --[[User:Inos|Inos]] 07:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

===Looks like you missed something===
Both the [http://cogsdev.org/cwcki/Category:Fear_and_Loathing_in_CWCville|category] and [[Fan talk:Fear and Loathing in CWCville|talk page]] for my crap remains, as well as all the pages I uploaded. I'll take care of it... if someone can tell me how to delete pages. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 22:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==Harassment and NPOV==

Recent events have brought up these issues, so let's address them.

First, let's do our best to aim for some semblance of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|NPOV]]. Things considered by us to be good humored may not be taken that way by others. So yeah, try not to insult other sites, users, etc.

Harassment - yes, there are fuckwits on this wiki. There's fuckwits on any wiki. But don't point it out to them. People need to be able to edit without fear of harassment from others for their users. It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users. If they're stupid, just point it out and explain calmly why but telling them they're fuckwits is no way to do it. Srsly, I expect a bit more from you people. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur with the statement about NPOV. When i edit articles that's usually what I'm going for. The CWCville article was ridiculous and full of shit that just wasn't the case, as are a great many articles. People making jokes and idle speculation at the expense of reality.

So kids, keep the memes out, and if a facet of Chris' mind or life is an unknown leave it that way instead of inserting your own idle speculation. We're here to document the real CWC (and related fictions about CWC created by the real CWC), not to create our own CWC. [[User:DrShoggoth|Dr. Herodotus P. Shoggoth :Doktor of the Forbidden Sciences, Medallion Guardian, Imperial Emu, Emeritus of the Ancient and Justified Order of the Turtle]] 00:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

So, essentially, kill them gently? --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*I've been thinking that maybe the best solution at this point would be to prohibit any discussion of matters unrelated to Chris and the CWCki, even on your own user page. Thus, many of the members who had been harassed or whatever in the past would probably have never been targeted in the first place. Granted, I would prefer if we didn't have to limit the users right to say what they want, and it would certainly be a pain in the ass to enforce,but could potentially prevent most if not all of the harassment issues. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 21:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:*This wouldn't be an entirely bad idea, given that I know Wikipedia has basic rules about user pages, namely it's used to discuss one's contributions to Wikipedia and nothing more. Good thinking.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
*It might also help if suggesting that we resolve a bureaucratic issue without resulting to namecalling [[User_talk:DrShoggoth|didn't result in vague threats.]] --[[User:Star Platinum|Star Platinum]] 22:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
**agreed. I'm not exactly the biggest contributor on here, but even I've seen Delabonte threatening others for asking him to be a bit less abrasive in his messages, asking why exactly they were in trouble for something, or even not sharing the same opinion as him. Why does this guy get away with it? Also, I don't care if he's "respected by Cogs" as has been said, that doesn't mean he should be allowed to abuse his position, spam angry templates on other people's accounts just because he doesn't like them, and generally treat everyone else like shit. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::*I agree on this policy. This kind of harassment brings down CWCki's appearance in a whole. It makes us look less like a reputable source on an autistic manchild and more like a restricted community of threatening rep destruction and overenforced rules. There is no need to attack innocents just for casual talk or for living certain lifestyles, it's just plain wrong in general. Delabonte is just a person who feels privileged and like he needs to point out things about people and act like he needs to be a Jr. Mod of sorts. To be frank, this is annoying and just rude. I'm a member of many places, but never once have I done anything like go out and go "OH NO THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING '''MY''' RULES TEMPLATE ''TEMPLATE'' ''' ''TEMPLATE'' '''!" and not a lot of people here have before. It's inappropriate, immature and quite low IQed. So, in conclusion, and tl;dr: Agree with idea, down with empty threated non-mod steam-filled members. --[[User:Eniggy|Sen. John Eniggy, finishing opening statements for case on the Congressional floor]] 04:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::* Not to be a jackass or anything, but try and keep in mind where you are. This is a website dedicated to trolling an autistic manchild. Many of the people here are involved with other trolling operations and such. Lots of trolls like to target furrys. By ousting yourself as a furry here you're essentially making yourself a black man at a Ku Klux Klan rally. Not saying that all of this harassment should have occurred, but it certainly wasn't unforeseeable to the victims. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::*ThatMan has nailed why Delabonte and others feel warranted in acting like they do and this is pretty much the justification for some of Cog's and Clyde's actions here. Remember, this is a critical site of Chris, essentially out to troll him, and so you're not going to be attracting the same sort of people to edit as say, Wikipedia. I can talk to Delabonte about shit.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Actually, I'm not a furry (they scare me, to be quite honest- I'd sooner run through traffic and fling myself off a highway bridge than be one) but the point here, as shown by your post is, is about the exploits of Chris and the trolls who have trolled him, not a place for people to use trolling to vent their anger upon here. I don't support weeabooism, but I also don't support using CWCki as a stress ball. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 05:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Also, Chris is a particularly bad furry, so bashing them is arguably part of our mission. We shouldn't get carried away, but I don't think anybody would object to the occasional snippy comment. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 21:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== User pages for banned users ==

Anyone opposed to not having user pages for banned users? Seems to be taking up space and seems sorta silly. I once said something along the lines of "To serve an example" or something but now I think it's just a waste of space. Anyone opposed to deleting user pages of permanently banned user? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:No objections here. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Depends on the user. I see no problem in deleting some of IBAGeneva's accounts, but we should keep a couple of examples (maybe between five and ten?).--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] forgot to sign
:I would agree that we should just delete their pages so as to not waste space, but is there any way we could possibly mark that they were banned when their signature is shown on talk pages and stuff like that? I just feel like this would help prevent any potential confusion between users who are banned and users who don't have user pages. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 01:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*A short page about wby they were banned sounds good. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::That actually gives me a better idea, maybe their could be a page of banned users, with notes showing the reason for why they were banned. When a user is banned, their userpage could just be a redirect to this page.--[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:::fuck what I was about to say, the best balance between saving space and giving good examples of what not to do would probably be to do what ThatMan suggested. ThatMan, you have done a great service for the operation of the CWCki. I salute you, good sir. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 05:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
*Well that settles it. People, you have 24 hours to make a page (in the CWCki namespace) with a list of banned users and their rationale. In 24 hours, I will delete all the banned user userpages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I'll do what I can. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 11:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*My lord, it is [[CWCki:Banned_Users|done.]] --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 12:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Userboxes ==

I think the usage of them is getting a bit out of control.

As I see it:
# unless you have a very convincing reason why a userbox should be on the main namespace, it really should be on a user's subpage.
# we get rid of some of the categories of of userboxes - it's handy to know which CWCki users are also PVCC members, it's not quite as important to know which CWCki users practice martial arts.

Thoughts? Any justifications why we should keep userboxes as they are? Personally I'm tempted to say that we should make user boxes as part of one's user subpage or at least remove the categories for most of these.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think they need to be culled. Specifically, the ones that don't have anything to do with Chris.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 02:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Either way is fine. They're not exactly a big part of the site. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 15:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry about that. I'll keep my own userbox whoring under control. Just thought I was being clever at making more Chris jokes. (Keep in mind that I didn't add all those userboxes indicating race/gender/and religion, though I did modify the one for my own race.
:But I think the "Armchair psychologist" could be kept for some practical use, like a <s>barnstar</s> award for those who have contributed much analysis of Chris's mindset. --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 16:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just want to say here that armchair psychologists are not why we are here. We are here to document Chris, not theorise on his mindset. That stuff is okay in tiny doses but if you plan on doing it so often that you want a box for it, go to [[/cwc/]].--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think Nationality might be useful, if only to establish about what time said user would be active. But stuff like cats, or naive, etc. have no practical use. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 20:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Why not just have time zone stamps then? Honestly I've thought that these userboxes were stupid for a while, glad to see I'm not alone in that. Honestly only a select few of them really seem necessary. Other than ones related to staff positions held by certain members and perhaps something useful such as what Bill Lumberg brought up, none of them really serve any meaningful purpose. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 00:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*Obviously not all of them have to be useful, as some of them are just fun and a way to encourage people to edit the CWCki. A time zone stamp would be good, though the nationality userboxes tend to be more flavorful (i.e. it's funnier to say something about the fact you're an American than you live in GMT -5). Some could in theory be useful - if you're a drawfag, then people can ask you to draw stuff for articles and whatnot.
::::Problem people are having is that people are getting carried away - do people really need to know you're a Zoroastiarian? Do people need to know you're a weaboo who's into manga moreso than anime? I think in general, we need to work on making pages, in the style of Wikipedia, serve as a way of describing one's contributions ''to the CWCki,'' not just a "about yourself" page.
::::There's nothing wrong with the userboxes, like I said, it's people getting carried away is what seems to be troubling.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::So where do we draw the line? I think that's the real problem; there's no set limit to what the userboxes should be for. Having "flavorful" userboxes tends to be a gray area that needs some definition. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 16:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
* It should be pretty simple: keep the nationality boxes, Warrior, Observer, and the like, and the awards. We don't need to know if you're straight or gay or if you're Christian or atheist. We just need where you're from, and what you're doing here. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 17:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==Fuckwit Alert template ==

I propose we remove the Fuckwit Alert userbox or whatever it's called. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I am happy to do the removing myself--[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a good idea, go for it [[User:Notslowpoke|Notslowpoke]] 03:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ronichu, you can't remove shit here. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::*Correct. Neither can you. I'd just like to politely point out that '''you are not a mod here'''. I think it's high time you were either directly promoted to be one so you have a badge to go with that attitude (at which point you '''can''' cast down proclamations from on-high with righteous fury) or '''learn to accept that you are not a mod here''' and act accordingly. I'm not fussed either way. The overwhelming consensus from users (and some people who '''are''' mods), irrespective of if they have that userbox or not, seems to be that it should go. So unless an '''actual CWCki mod''' steps in and says not to, in a few days I'll start removing the userboxes from user pages. If you re-add it, it's page vandalism and will be treated accordingly (reverted). I have little patience for wanna-be mods acting like their big brother is the sheriff so they can just do what they please. This isn't PVCC, it isn't ED, it isn't a place for you to do whoever the fuck you want and go around posturing, making vague threats and acting like you own the place. '''You don't. Cogs does.''' If she wants you to to have unlimited power, she has that ability to grant it to you; if she grants it to you, all well and good. Then it's official. Her website, her decision. But until then the CWCki is ONLY about documenting and discussing Chris (and occasionally peripheral other stuff). So either get on with with the [[Chris|task at hand]], or get promoted and make your inane desires official policy, or go back to EDF/PVCC where you can be lord of all creation or whatever the fuck. PVCC and the CWCki have different mods and this is by design. TL;DR so either officially become a mod or '''shut up''' and behave yourself. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
{{Quote|It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users.|Champthom, on this very page.}}
Now obviously I'm not a admin or a Jerkop or PVCC or anything, but it seems to me that the fuckwit alert template causes way more problems than it solves.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
*It's very tedious for me when furries who have barely been here for six months act like they own the place and presume what Cogs does or doesn't think. I think what bothers you here is the fact although we are presumably "equals" (lol) I did something you never could, and excercised power you don't have. As has been pointed out before, I am just fufilling the wishes of the PVCC. May I remind you Cogs okayed the template and it hasn't been an issue until you brought it up now? If Cogs says take it down (and she might), well, then the template should be taken down. Until there they remain as a reminder for certain furries (who want to be big elite trolls) to back off a certain user. Go back to doing [[Sydney Contacts|piss poor imitations of women]], Ronichu. The only person making a big deal of this are those who have fallen under my hawk-like gaze. My mind is closed on the matter. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 16:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
**I'd like to point a few things out. First off, you've made 952 edits to this wiki in your 15-odd months here. That's 1.8 edits per day. Ronichu has made 842 edits in 6.5-ish months, which is 4.2 edits per day. Ronichu is known for devoting hours to transcriptions. You are well known for plastering the wiki with "Not a Forum" templates. I wouldn't overstate your influence here. While you may have done something which is vaguely useful at some point in the past, Ronichu has done far more for this wiki than you have and even Champ is getting fed up with your antics. Ronichu made a good point and I suggest you get off your high horse and learn something. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
***And I just want someone to explain to me what the fuck I did wrong to get the template, and why i'm also the target of all these vauge threats. I didn't even touch that "certain user". Check the entire page history; I've done jack shit to interfere. What is my crime, and at what point did I try to be a "big elite troll"? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 17:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*You probably got it because you [http://cogsdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coffee_Place&oldid=101640 posted on the Coffee Place talk page.] [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 18:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::So? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that I got this template for those two sentences. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 19:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

===Why I've banned Delabonte===
Delabonte '''was''' a good user. He's edited a lot and contributed to the CWCki. However, after receiving warnings on the CWCki and a PVCC thread discussing the CWCki, he continues to spend most of his time on the CWCki harassing users and enforcing arbitrary rules. Yes, some of you did do stupid stuff. However, telling them that they're "under watch" and whatnot is no way to do it. Cogs in the PVCC thread conceded that Delabonte went "too far" in some regards and others accused him of taking the CWCki more seriously than I do. I do take the CWCki seriously but I find that setting low but reasonable expectations of users leads to less frustration on my part.

People, some words of wisdom:
# read between the lines of what I or someone like Cogs or Clyde says, as it'll clue you into things.

# don't contact Chris or anyone you think might be Chris. Yes, I hate to break it to you but you're probably not going to get through and if you do you're going to piss people off. As I've discussed with Ronichu before, you can contribute to trolling Chris in a lot of different ways than trolling him directly. As he aptly put it, it's like the Air Force - only a tiny percentage of the Air Force actually flies planes, the rest are support. If it's any consolation, I've never directly trolled Chris (well, there was an IRC chat but that was one small instance) and I probably won't.

#try to contribute to CWCki. I do not mean to offend anyone by saying this, but please don't use CWCki as any of the following (not inclusive): a place to plug your fan work and not contribute anything else, a place to "express yourself", a place to attempt to troll Chris, a place to create drama, etc.

#rules are not always absolute on the CWCki. Cogs and Clyde have very different admining styles than I do. As I've said before, this is ultimately Cog's site so she gets to do what she wants and I really can't stop her and sometimes she does things that go against general policy. However, the nice thing about not having absolute rules is that they're flexible when they need to be. In any case, don't cite things I say when someone is being an ass because if they're being an ass, they probably don't give a shit about what I said a few months ago. Tell them why they're being an ass, how being an ass is not helping their cause, and that they should stop being an ass and you'll be getting farther along without creating drama.

You'll avoid pissing people like Delabonte off if you manage to follow these rules. If you have questions about stuff, feel free to ask people in IRC or contact me. In general, the adage of "LURK MOAR" holds true.

Delabonte is only banned for six months. Originally I planned for a year but I think six months is more sufficient. Hopefully he will use this break to reflect on things.

His general concern about the quality of CWCki editors is valid and his zeal in trolling Chris can be appreciated on some level, but his tactics of going about it have no place here. So yeah, let's cut this drama and get back to editing the CWCki. Time I spent writing this could have gone to something more worthwhile, like helping [[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] transcribe some Mumble chats.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you for this and everything else. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 02:55, 5 August 2010 (PDT)

==Hey faggots==
If we are all done arguing about templates and about who put one where and what not, there's a few long overdue transcriptions and shit that could be worked on. Quit being a bunch of drama queens, all of you. I don't give a shit how many edits you have, what you have produced or who fucking hates who. Take my fucking advice and work on community projects or your own projects and ditch that whole wall of text above. If any of you in the above section keep it up, I can guarantee that someone at the top is going to come along and yell at this shitload of faggotry. We need all of you here doing stuff.

Let me rephrase that slightly: we need all of you here doing something less dramatic and more helpful. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I completely agree. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 01:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a plan.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 01:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Feeding the trolls ==

To formalize this, feeding the trolls and vandals is strongly discouraged. Anyone who taunts, insults, etc. a troll no matter how much they really deserve it will be warned first, then banned temporarily on the second offense. Multiple offenses will be dealt with longer bannings. Just as a warning. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:05, 12 September 2010 (PDT)

==User talk pages==

I've been noticing [[user:Eniggy|quite]] [[User:Pfargtl9000| a few]] of you have been leaving unneeded messages on the talk pages of other users. While not a flagrant violation of CWCki rules, it's still something I feel should be avoided. If somebody is doing something you don't like, take it up with a jerkop and they will investigate any misconduct (these being shitty edits, forced content, ect). If you look at Champthom's topic above this one you will see that this topic runs along the same lines, only it extends to all user talk pages and not just those of vandals. It's best not to pick fights with other editors, because you're not just representing yourself when you make a post, you're representing the CWCki as a whole. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:30, 26 September 2010 (PDT)

== Contact Information ==

I feel the need to clarify our policies towards the posting of personal contact information (phone numbers, e-mail addresses, home address) of those who are in contact with Chris. The posting of said information is forbidden. Posting said information here voids the neutrality of the CWCki, changing it from a passive repository of Chris doings, to a base from which trolling attempts are launched. Please take this into consideration. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:52, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

== Video Upload Dates ==

Recently there seems to be some confusion over the upload dates of some videos. It's far easier to just go by the date specified on the YouTube video page - as that not only gives us a static point from which to base dates, but it is also the date when the video was uploaded, rather than when it finished processing. OH and did I mention that YouTube is in the same timezone as the CWCki? --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 18:19, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

== JenkinsJinkies Policy ==

JJ is not Chris. I believe that Chris is lying about being him. [[Wikipedia:sarcasm|I'm pretty sure he's a badass troll who hitchhiked from Boston at age fifteen. That's not so unbelievable, right?]]

Anyway, until we say otherwise, anything Chris says about being JJ is a [[Wikipedia:Truth|lie]]. We don't want to scare him off now, do we?

If this is too subtle for you, I can answer all your questions here: http://qchat.rizon.net/?&channels=%23cwcki-fun

Just remember, anything I tell you is to remain off of CWCki. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 20:49, 6 November 2010 (PDT)
:Ok, an update. Our best researchers have determined that JJ actually '''is''' Chris. '''SURPRISE'''
:So you can start putting [http://trollingtrain.10.forumer.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3 his posts from trollingtrain] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlVjW06MDk his application] on cwcki. Go, go and edit to the extreme! [[User:Canine|Canine]] 16:48, 30 January 2011 (PST)
::I'll start an article for the video if nobody else has yet. Any idea what it should be named/what it was named? I didn't save the original. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:09, 30 January 2011 (PST)
:::JenkinsJinkiesCwckiApplication.MOV [[User:Canine|Canine]] 17:28, 30 January 2011 (PST)

== Reminder about jerkop powers ==

As a reminder, jerkop powers are '''limited to dealing with vandalism''' , as per my [[CWCki:Community_Portal/Archive_5#Memorandum_on_Jerkop_powers|memo on Jerkop powers]]. By vandalism, we take a page from Wikipedia by stating that vandalism is a deliberate attempt at violating the integrity of CWCki. CrassCrab has been using his jerkop powers as editorial influence which he had no right to do. He will be banned until 00:00 GMT Christmas day (his sentence was originally a week but 'tis the season and whatnot) which should give him time to reflect. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:29, 23 December 2010 (PST)

== Shut down the CWCki to selected users ==
all we get is stupid edits, i think we have 90% bad edits and 10% good edits now. there is no new information. the only thing we can do now is refine old articles and people are doing a bad job of it because speculation is gay and i hate you all etc. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 21:24, 16 January 2011 (PST)
:I'm actually kind of interested in this idea, but I have three questions. 1. On what scale do you want to measure good/bad edits? 2. Who keeps their accounts? 3. How do people without accounts apply for one (assumedly, it would be possible to do this because otherwise when people left, the editor base wouldn't replenish itself)? I mean, preventing retarded edits is obviously a good idea, but if it's "we'll just ban a couple retards and prevent new accounts", that might prove counterproductive. Some of the more recent new accounts actually have improved the wiki, even if only in a small way. On the other hand, if it's "ban everyone except for 4 or 5 people", the integrity of the wiki would be preserved, but new content/revision of articles would also be a slower process and, as some recent edits have shown, there have been a lot of typos/oversights in old articles that prove that the wiki still isn't perfect. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 02:14, 17 January 2011 (PST)
*No Clyde, this is a bad idea and goes against wiki standards. I do think we need to work on style, that is what should go in an article and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:43, 17 January 2011 (PST)

== User page and talk page policy discussion ==

Recent events have made me think that perhaps we should consider our policy in regards to user pages and user talk pages.

Generally, one has been free to do with one's user page as they want within reason (i.e. not use it as a pastebin or something like that). In regards to use talk pages, I've found that while it's encouraged that you keep all comments posted on there available for good form, one is free to remove comments.

Now here's the problem with user pages. Sometimes people use them to "express" themselves and well, shit like [https://789chan.org/cwc/res/35641.html this] goes down. While I do my best to make CWCki a safe environment where people can edit freely without fear, I cannot protect everyone from being trolled themselves. So I think we need to discuss a new user page policy, perhaps limiting to CWCki related projects.

Likewise, user talk pages. Obviously one is free to remove trolling, but some people think comments should be preserved.

So, what do you all think of this? Obviously, I'd like to solicit some discussion before anything is implemented so let's discuss what you all think about user pages and talk pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:42, 2 February 2011 (PST)
:I think editing other people's comments, where ever they might be, is pretty faggy and shouldn't be tolerated.
:But people shouldn't be harassed either. I would say that we can't trust people to only remove comments that "cross the line". They'll be more likely to get offended at personal comments. Conflict of interest and whatnot. Perhaps they can complain to an admin? [[User:Canine|Canine]] 19:54, 2 February 2011 (PST)

I think a good policy is to get a little tougher on the relevance of the CWCki to Chris. Essentially if an edit doesn't in some way relate to Chris, or an article on the wiki, then should it really be made? That said, here are my suggested guidelines:

- "Apolitical": The CWCki is apolitical. While discussion of Chris's stunted views on politics (and those around him) is permitted, it's not a place to push your own agendas. ("Chris, like all lefty pinko welfare state advocates, has no idea about how taxes work", "Bob, like all fascist, warmongering Republicans, hates brown people" etc etc).

- "The Snowflake Rule": The CWCki doesn't care about you. You are not a precious snowflake. Even if it focuses on Chris, don't link to your personal website, your webcomic, hat store, ED page, whatever. It might be [[Asperchu|absolutely brilliant]], but it has no place being 'pushed' here. Don't compare yourself to Chris, nor dump your own embaressing personal information here. Nobody cares you have autism. Nobody cares you're also a virgin with rage. See Not A Forum.

- "Hornet's Nest": The CWCki is frequented by trolls. A lot of trolls. Despite a firm anti-harassment policy, if you choose to kick the hornets nest, it can't protect you from being stung. Be polite, don't push your own agendas, contribute meaningfully and selflessly, and harden up. You don't have to have the last word.

All I got for now. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 14:16, 4 February 2011 (PST)

== Question About Articles on trolls ==

Kind of a newfag so this question may have been asked before, but its been on my mind. I can understand why topics on Trolls don't have 'real' information (Such as the TRUE and HONEST CWC) as thats outside of the purviews of wiki and isn't at all necessary. But I think there should be disclaimers on articles that are 'In-Troll'. Not that I don't think that readers can't read between the lines (or recognize the blatantly obvious), I'm just a bit OCD and would like there to be more internal consistency (for example the article on Autism says its painfully obvious the TRUE and HONEST CWC isn't, while several claim he is).--[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 20:05, 20 February 2011 (CST)
*I think the issue is that the articles get written when it's still relevant e.g. creating the Jackie article while she was still in the picture. Since Chris might browse the CWCki at any time, the articles have to not give shit away. Because nobody is really sure when the people stop being important (because nobody knows what Chris will do), the articles never get rewritten. That's just my take on it, but I don't know if that's right or not. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 07:52, 21 February 2011 (PST)
**Well there's supposed to be an improvement drive, and it's looking like the days of trolling CWC have come to an end. I think this should be considered for improvement. I'm not saying there needs to be any sort of Real-life behind the scenes bullshit for the trolls, I don't want that. But just a bit more consistency between articles would be good. --[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 16:15, 21 February 2011 (CST)

== The Wallflower policy and extending it ==

I think we should formalize The Wallflower policy. Someone who's up to it, write up a policy regarding using [[The Wallflower]] on here, namely how it was at her request. Ideally the person who gets around to writing this would go through the community portal and the Wallflower article talk page to understand the specifics of the policy. Try and do the best that you can and I can fill in the gaps. [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] wrote a good one a while ago but I can't find it. Whoever gets around to it, post it [[CWCki:The Wallflower|here]].

I have been thinking, I think that we may want to extend this policy. Not so much that we change all of Chris's friend's article names, but namely removing personal references from articles, namely current MySpace pages, that sort of thing. I have a feeling that Chris might be using the CWCki to stalk his gal pals and I'd prefer not to enable Chris. However, I'd like to get some feedback before we did anything with it, so thoughts on personal info on pages? Should pages have references to current career statuses, MySpace/Facebook accounts, etc.? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:42, 7 March 2011 (PST)

== Public Domain Certification ==

Not sure if this should go under policy or technical or whatever, but I'll put it here.

I noticed that this website is under Public Domain, but when you click on the link at the bottom, it takes you to a Creative Commons page that says the Public Domain Certification is retired and should no longer be used. Apparently it should be replaced with a "CC0 Public Domain Dedication and Public Domain Mark" according to the website. I'm wondering if that's actually necessary or if just putting "Content is available under Public Domain." at the bottom of the page is good enough. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 14:07, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
*I'd talk to [[User:Cogsdev|Cogs]] about that. We're sorta liberal on copyrights, and most of the stuff uploaded here probably couldn't be considered public domain under the strict definition. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:05, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
* The long and short of it is that public domain ''as a concept'' is still OK if you're just looking at the United States, but Creative Commons wants to promote the CC0 dedication as a global alternative, because not all countries have the concept of public domain. (For example, I'm in Finland, and technically I'm not allowed to renounce copyrights on my works. But I absolutely don't care what people do with my CWCki contributions. So there. =) So if CWCki stays on PD, it's not a huge issue. Saying the material is explicitly CC0 would just clarify legal issues for non-US contributors. Also, as Champ says, we have stuff that definitely ''is'' copyrighted. We'd need some sort of a clear legal policy that dictates what material is and what material isn't covered by this, but it's another matter altogether if people would want to work on such policy. (Takes away time from productive stuff. Crafting elaborate copyright policies might make people look like CWC-obsessed geeks. And so on and so forth. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 04:01, 9 August 2011 (PDT)

== De-memeing the CWCki ==

You know, as I continue to contribute to the CWCki, I often see things in a new way. One such thing is the use of memes on the CWCki. Now I've always been alright with appropriate use of memes, as trolls are our primary readership so it makes sense to have cultural references that are relevant to them. But on the other hand, I've come to realize that this might be lazy. Instead of coming up with our own jokes or utilizing the many rich and unique Chris related memes, we're just stealing jokes from elsewhere. I also feel that it affects our credibility, as speaking in troll parlance makes us seem biased towards trolls.

So pretty much what I'd do is try to remove as many memes as possible - getting rid of reaction images (which, IMHO, are a waste of space and just lazy), changing "Sauces" to "References", that sort of thing. Obviously keeping references to memes that are appropriate to understanding Chris related phenomena.

As this is a rather large policy proposal, I'd like to have some people's thoughts on the matter. Personally I think it'd be an extension of [[CWCki:NOTED|"CWCki is not ED"]] but I'd rather ask other people what they think since like I said, it's a big policy move and some people like memes.

Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:10, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
*YES. DEAR GOD YES. I don't have a problem with most memes, but some of this shit is getting way out of hand. "Reaction images" are not funny anyway, and when I rewrote [[Chris and religion]] I found no less than ''three'' of them in quick sucession, and I couldn't even remove them all because they were the ONLY images for that particular section of the article. I'm always changing "sauces" to "references" anyway, because for some reason it's extremely prevalent, (and by the way Champ, don't think I don't know you started that annoying trend. You and me will be having words later). I would also like to remind people of the previous state of the [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] article, which I like to call the CWCki's malignant tumour, and remind you all that until recently we had a page about a fucking Advice Dog spinoff. Like I said, I don't have a problem with memes, if they're funny at least, but all this stuff that you're talking about like the reaction images is just shit that's clogging up the toilet. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:59, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*'''I agree.''' Memes that die are often used incorrectly, without or out of any funny context. Reaction images are something that stuck when Chris was pumping out videos, however, like you said, they are lazy and only clog the toilet. In the article Champthom had shown, we are not here for "epic lulz", nor are we trying to be biased towards the Trolls. We only bash Chris when there is proof to merit it. So I agree that we could take out a few memes that are just kinda there, without purpose. I am curious what you guys think, too. [[User:Ash link|Ash link]] 09:17, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*When someone who has "Meme" in their name makes a case against memes, you know they have something to say. Well since I haven't heard any strong arguments for keeping the status quo, I think we should go about de-memeing the CWCki. I'll reword the "not ED thing to relate to this. I'm not going to ban every use of a meme, just strongly discourage it and avoid it as a matter of style. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:45, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*I guess I see your point, but put thought into it before deleting. I admit 3 face palms on the religion article is a bit much, but 1 face palming religious figure I feel is needed. I guess if the meme Really fits it should stay. Like Paul reacts to chris' video I feel is very appropriate, or the bitches and whores pic on the one article is okay, because its right next to the part where chris starts saying women don't do this this and this, but they do. So yeah overkill and needless placement of some should be scraped, but chris gets trolled by memes and internet related culture alot, id like to delve further, but im at work posting this from a phone. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 09:23, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*Oh wow. It's actually happened. We can at last look forward to a brighter future with less ED inspired retardery on these pages. No more dumb reaction images everywhere. The CWCki is blessed this day comrades. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:09, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

*167 pages use "Sauces", can admins use some kind of shortcut to change them all at once? [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 04:30, 5 October 2011 (PDT)

== Removal of "Reaction Images" ==

There is an abundance of tangentially related "reaction images" in almost every article. In an attempt to streamline the wiki and free up some space, I suggest we trim the fat by removing reaction images and cheap Photoshops. As an example: [[100 2269|This article]], everything goes. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 22:56, 18 September 2011 (PDT)
*Well given at least two people have been in favor for this, why not? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:43, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Endorse this policy. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:58, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
**Well, I'll just get started then. I'm going to be fairly zealous about removing images and marking them for deletion. If it's just an image for a pun, or joke, it's going. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 12:13, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Note that my endorsement of this policy is purely for images unrelated to Chris, such as random celebrity "reactions". Not that we have many, but any which are of Chris and/or his family should probably stay. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:20, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
:*Double note: I have a working tool which will help make the process of mass deletions easier. Once I get canine to run a maintenance script on the CWCki, I will use the tool to help delete the images with as little effort as possible. Note that this tool is manually operated and each deletion is manually checked - but just thought I'd mention it to prevent any RSI from anyone who was thinking of undertaking a completely manual deletion process. Good work on the tagging so far though. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:30, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

== User page policy ==

I've implemented a policy on [[CWCki:User pages|user pages]]. If anyone feels they can elaborate on it, by all means do so. I've noticed though that a lot of the people getting trolled on /cwc/ were brought to their attention through their user pages on the CWCki which is why I'm tightening down on user page content, as I'd rather not see people get trolled. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:20, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*I thought trolling was okay as long as it didn't actually happen on CWCki? I've got to see Champ, I am disappoint. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:12, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*We've had...issues in the past. This policy is purely something we can point to and fall back on if we need to. I've added a section on the rules about editing user pages. It's a fairly simple rule - if it isn't your own user page, you most likely shouldn't be editing it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:07, 23 September 2011 (PDT)

==New Fan Works Policy==
Now before anyone goes apeshit, I don't mean bringing back the fan section. That thing is better off dead. I want to open a discussion on our policy with relation to fan videos and fan art used on this wiki for articles. We have a lot of this stuff on our pages, and the quality varies considerably. I was inspired to do this when a user called [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]], (a man after my own heart), went on a crusade to cut all the faggotry out of the CWCki. In his edits, he removed a lot of fan art and fan videos, and for that reason some users saw fit to revert his edits. Thing is, I agreed with him. Those images and videos often were just stupid and pointless, particularly the ones on the [[homos]] article that seemed to serve no other purpose than to go "LOL CHRIS IS GAY WHAT A FAG LOLOLOLOLOL".

However, even though I reverted them back so that the fan videos were removed, the opposition did make some good arguments in favour of them. Particularly since one image was actually an Artist's Commune commission and some of the videos on the Bob Chandler page were tributes. For that reason I spared those. What I'm getting at, is that we need a cover-all policy about fan art and fan videos that can allow us to remove or at least move the faggy stuff and keep in the stuff that's relevant and serves a purpose. And no, we can't just keep everything. CWCki is not free advertising for your shitty Chris remix on [[Youtube]], or a place to dump your manga interpretation of Sonichu.

That said, begin discussion. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 02:33, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*There was once a time where I pretty much allowed anything in terms of fan art. However, around the time some user uploaded very bizarre pics that looked like a 3 year old did them in MS Paint with bizarre summaries like "lol rosechu has been very bad" made me reconsider it. Generally, my rule of thumb is that if it illustrates a Chris related concept, it has merit on the CWCki. Now there's probably stuff on here that doesn't meet these qualifications specifically. I think that there's some very good fan art out there by very talented artists and I think they merit a place on the CWCki. For instance, I just uploaded a picture of Chris doing a self portrait ala Normal Rockwell. It doesn't strictly illustrate a Chris related topic but you gotta admit it's pretty good. I'd like to see more artists contribute to the CWCki so we can have some original content to illustrate Chris related topics. But what I'm not crazy about is when articles will have art for the sake of having art or (one of my peeves) huge ass sections in video articles with various remixes and stuff. True, there are some great fan remixes and such but when there's like 20 of them on a given page, that's hella annoying.
:The problem of fan art is that I really don't want to judge fan art's merit based on whether it's "good" or not, as that's mostly an aesthetics issue and I'm no art critic, so I think it ultimately has to come down to whether it illustrates a Chris related topic or not.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:57, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*In this case I think we need to set a standard as to what relates to a topic and what doesn't, but I think quality needs to be a factor as well. Having poor MS Paint drawings used as an image article just makes a page in general look bad. Let's take something easy with lots of images relating to it for an example. [[The Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail]]. Look through the gallery, and tell me what you think would and would not be appropriate as an image on that page. And on an unrelated note, I would like to request that I be promoted to some position that will allow me to delete files, because god fucking damnit look at the last image of that gallery. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:38, 28 January 2012 (PST)

*Hello, this is what I think are the problems when it comes to images;

1. '''Pictures of icons "reacting" to Chris.''' There is really no point to this, we know Chris is stupid, I don't think an impromptu picture of Lucille Ball is going to affect anyone but the idiot who posted it.. Actually I would go so far to say no pictures of people unrelated to Chris unless they are there to truly prove a point (like having a picture of Leonard Bernstein on the [[Christopher's name change]] page).

2. '''Pictures that only Weaboos/Bronys/Sonicfags/Etc. Can Understand''' This is bad because it embarrasses the CWCki by bringing the A-log type people who inhabit the CWCki to light. We want to look better than Chris, not on the same level.

3. '''Good images?''' If an image is actually ''good'' there is really no reason why it shouldn't be on here (IF it is actually Chris fan work). If an image is a shitty photoshop and funny then keep it too.

Thank you very much. I'm sorry if I caused any chaos earlier. [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]] 13:37, 29 January 2012 (PST)
:We actually don't allow reaction images anymore. They were in almost every article and they just aren't funny. I thought we had them all by this point, but I guess some slipped through the net. The other points I can also agree with, but I think they're a bit too vague to actually make a policy about. I think the unspoken rule is that uploading your own artwork to the CWCki is generally a bad idea. Upload it to some other site, and if people like it, it'll end up here anyway. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 14:19, 29 January 2012 (PST)
*With regards to point three, I think we need a place to compile the images that come under that "good image" definition, e.g. all the stuff that is considered good or funny like our current picture of the now but that we can't put in any other articles, and from then on either something goes into an article, goes into that page, or we delete it for being useless and faggy. Right now we just have a category for fan art, and that's cluttered with loads of fan works and crap that survived the purge or reaction images that have been removed but no-one ever got around to deleting, which speaking of which someone really should. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:19, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Month articles ==

I made a post about this on [[2013]] and I'm not sure if anyone will bother to read this, but here goes - I think for 2013, we should just have the 2013 article and have months as subsections, like the 1990s articles. If, by some remote chance, Chris comes back to the Internet and posts daily, then we can always make separate articles for each month. But while he's being a recluse and we might get one minor update a month, if we're lucky, I don't see the point of having an entire article for a month if it just has one thing like "Chris changed his Facebook profile image" or something like that. I bring this up because I know people in the past thought it was helpful to make month articles in advance but I don't think that's the case. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:32, 30 December 2012 (PST)

== Chris's gender ==

So it appears to be confirmed that Chris now considers himself a woman and prefers to be referred to as such, which brings up to the issue of whether we are to refer to Chris as a man or a woman in terms of pronouns.

Obviously people have strong opinions and biases on each side, but we need to remember that regardless of what your opinion on the issue of transgenderism is, it's really not our position to judge whether Chris is actually transgendered or not. However, I think we do need to consider at what point is it acceptable to refer to someone as their preferred gender - is it just by saying you're transgendered? Is it when you start doing therapy? There's obviously social protocol about this which I'm not sure. From what little I understand, I believe you're supposed to refer to people by whatever gender they prefer and not to question their motives.

I'm inclined to say we refer to Chris as a "she." I'm not a big fan of that idea personally, it'll be a shitload of work to rework all the articles to reflect this, but again, this isn't about my personal views on the matter but rather what's best to provide at least somewhat neutral, less-biased information about Chris. This is why I think we need a "Chris and gender" issue as it's getting more complicated than the little section we have in [[Chris and sex]] which mostly reflects less relevant information we knew about Chris and how he viewed his gender.

It might be prudent, I think to maybe wait a month or so before we do anything. There is a chance Chris will decide to be referred to as a man for some reason and for that reason, it might be worth a wait to see if he wants to be referred to by female pronouns. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 02:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:No, you're right on the issue. As much as we bash Chris, his gender is his own, and we have to respect that to some degree. I'm perfectly fine to fix any pronoun/grammatical change where it's needed, but I think we should wait until about January before deciding.

:There's also a few new articles that need to be made, as the 'cat/dog' spambox seems to have stopped working; including a page for the upcoming [[2015]]. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 5:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:Also, we severely need to add a page about that brushfire video Chris made in October or November! --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:I say wait for it until January like what Boomhauer posted, but there's one point I think I should refer Chris as a "she" for now which is the Facebook post where William refers Chris as "her". [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 06:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

:The relationship between the CWCKi and Chris is a hostile one, so I don't think we should concern ourselves with the courtesy of Chris' pronoun preferences. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 00:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

::Not quite; if anything, the CWCki has been (or at least now is) dedicated simply to documenting Chris, not provoking. In fact, there's been a lot of de-a-logging for old articles, recently, albeit a few jabs here and there are fine, when in proper context. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 21:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:::Nah, it hosts his private info, including his nudes. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 22:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

::::And even more articles outlining his lifestyle and psyche; what's your point? That we have pictures of him in his tighty-wighties? [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 1:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

::::A lot of that stuff has been released by third parties or often times, Chris himself. It's not really our fault if Chris is a poor judge of character. The goal has always been just to document, a lot of the confrontation with Chris were more or less due to efforts to appease certain people but the ideal has always been to be a neutral party in all this. We still have work to do in this regard but in any case, our position is not outright hostility and I'd like to reflect this by doing whatever's appropriate to refer to Chris's preferred gender.
::::As an update, it looks like Chris is referring to himself (herself?) as "Christine" on Miiverse or whatever, but still "Christian" on Facebook. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

:::::Chris hates the CWCki, and the CWCki is the primary repository for cocks that are invasions of his privacy. Are we really going to pretend anything otherwise? XD

:::::But anyways, I don't think the burden is on us to re-write the pronoun usage on the entire CWCki because of Chris' recent decision. Maybe stuff going forward, but that would probably be confusing. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 10:19, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

:I think we should simply refer to him as a man, for now at least. It'd take quite a bit of work, going back and retconning gender pronouns, and even then, do we refer to him as female consistently, or only after he began identifying as a woman? Not to mention, Chris is of course really whimsical - what appear to be strongly held convictions of his can cave overnight, sometimes with very little impetus - look at his U-turn on drinking, and lesbians (admittedly, that one has vacillated a bit, and was always quite a bit more nuanced). [[User:Lysistrata|Lysistrata]] ([[User talk:Lysistrata|talk]]) 02:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

===Update===
According this latest [[January_2015_Facebook_posts#I_will_force_respect_out_of_others|Facebook post]], Chris specifically requests to be referred to with female pronouns. The intention of the CWCki is not confrontational with Chris and I've done my best to keep the CWCki from being used as a tool to troll Chris. Some people have in the past but it that was because my protests were ignored.

Usually when I'm not sure how to approach a wiki based issue, I look to a site like Wikipedia to see how they handle it as to see what sort of precedent exists. Probably the most notable case is the case with [[Wikipedia:Chelsea Manning|Chelsea Manning]] (formerly Bradley Manning) where there was a huge debate over how to handle the article when Bradley announced he is transgendered and wishes to be referred to as Chelsea. The issue of timing of when to refer to Chris as a "he" or a "she" was brought up and based on that article, the article describes "she was born..." as opposed to "he was born..." even though biologically she was born with male genitallia.

Again, the CWCki's place is not to piss off Chris directly or intentionally at least. It's always been to inform people with an attempt to be impartial through with a healthy dose of criticism. I realize that many people have strong opinions about transgenderism in each way or the other, but it's not really our place to let our personal opinions determine policy. The common decency thing is to refer Chris by his preferred pronoun (I apologize for using "his," old habits die hard) as you would anyone who announces they're transgendered.

I think our case is a bit more complicated than the Chelsea Manning article on Wikipedia. The article was just one article and maybe a few related articles that might have referred to as Manning, whereas we're dealing with changing pronouns in just about all of the over 1000 articles on this wiki. It'll take an effort to change every single masculine pronoun referring to Chris to a feminine one. We've waited a month and it seems like Chris is very serious about his female identity, he's made comments like "no operation yet" and this is no longer just something crazy he's doing to attract women.

So here's a few options we could do:

1) Go through each and every article, change masculine pronouns to feminine in reference to Chris. My concern here is any edit wars over those who insist that Chris be referred to as a man and with thousands of articles in question, it could be nasty and more work for poor admins like [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan]].

2) We leave the pronouns as they are. We however have a disclaimer in one of the policy pages that says that while we acknowledge that Chris prefers to be referred to as a woman and female pronouns, for the sake of simplicity, we will leave pronouns just the same. Henceforth, we would start referring to Chris by female pronouns.

Again, this is a huge policy decision, probably the biggest one we've ever had. That's why I'm kinda coming out of my inactivity to bring this. If we do go with a massive change of all the pronouns, I will even contribute towards the effort. As this is a major policy decision, I'd like to see what editors feel should be done about the matter. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 10:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

* I say go with option 2. If possible, I don't mind having the disclaimer at the main page too. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

* Between these two options I would go with the second one. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 10:56, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*The problem with option 1 is that ''Chris'' has historically identified as a "STRAIGHT MALE" who exhibited major homophobia up until 2014. Retroactively changing all his pronouns around with that kind of context still present would confuse the shit out of people. Plus you still have the crapton of people who refer to him as "he" after his announcement anyway for whatever reason. <s>I say we wait and see what jail he goes to.</s> My vote would be for option 2, with cautious editing from that point on, I guess. [[User:Zero|Zero]] ([[User talk:Zero|talk]]) 11:08, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*I say option 2. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 15:00, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

*To add some meat to the discussion, let's allow for ''discussion until 26 January.'' I figure two weeks is ample time while not letting discussion drag out too long. I want to set a deadline so we're not discussing this and then failing to do anything as we don't know when to end discussion and when to act. Then we can determine the best course of action based on the general consensus of editors.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 17:39, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

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== everything i say is important so it goes on top also purging the CWCki ==

I'm honestly tired of the resources being used on the CWCki for stupid bullshit like talk pages and user pages and fan works and speculation and etc. I'm sick of both the time spent on that and the ACTUAL resources. I've been trying to solve this god damn internal 500 server error and I'm fairly sure it has to do with the large amount of stupid pages and stupid edits that have been made over the years (this is sad, YEARS)

So stop spending time on the CWCki doing bullshit like making shitty templates denoted you are a cool guy or making a stupid sonichu troll art that's really neat and all and start working on actual stupid bullshit like mumble chats or something. at least that'll entertain more people than all this other shit people have been doing. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Purging histories. ==

At some point, I think we will need to purge the histories of high-edit count articles. I know that's against wiki standards, but I'm up to solving this 500 internal server error once and for all. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 09:48, 14 August 2010 (PDT)

== Fan Works policy ==

right now there aren't really any rules regards what can and cannot go in the fan namespace. this is because i trusted users to judge for themselves whether or not their work belonged on the cwcki. so, let's get its purpose straight: fan works was meant to be PVCC's troll productions subforum, but public. it is not, however, a mirror site incase deviantart goes down. i feel that some individuals are forgetting that this is a wiki about CWC. now, it's quite tricky to say what can and cannot be hosted here. there are very few examples of things being uploaded that are completely unrelated to chris or sonichu. however, i will try my best to clarify what is appropriate.

'''Examples of good fanworks:'''
* A drawing of CWC saying DYKES DYKES CHINA being placed into the "CWC's Second Message" article
* An "artist's depiction" of something we have no pictures of but how it may have looked, i.e. Chris in the mall with his attraction sign, Chris using his "red string of fate", Chris's IRL confrontation with Mary Lee Walsh, [[Fapcup]], etc
* Comics what are actually funny

'''Examples of bad fanworks:'''
* A Sonichu comic depicting how you think Sonichu should have been
* Shitty recolored Sonichu and Rosechu "original characters"
* Your shitty fursona with a Sonichu tail shoved up its ass

to summarise, i think the distinction lies in whether or not it is actually related to ''chris''. there are lots of things related to sonichu, many of which include chris, but are actually disconnected from chris's antics themselves. i don't think these are appropriate for this wiki, and i see their numbers increasing(although i would like to refrain from naming names).

please discuss any changes or clarifications that you wish made, however i would like to implement these new rules by the end of the week. if a user feels their own uploads were, in light of these policy changes, in error then they can remove them now to save the jerkops the trouble of removing them later.

PEACE, AND HAVE A GOOD DAY --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 21:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, could we see just what works are and are not on the chopping block? Just so we can see where we stand on this. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 02:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* i guess it might be useful to have a template for that --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 09:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No. When the purge is complete you will know exactly where you stand. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, does one need any kind of admin status to delete files? I'm trying to figure this out. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Just who decides what's worthy?===
I can get behind the fact that you want this wiki to be about Chris, with his Sonichu works simply being an extension of him. What bothers me is how all this hate coming from users complaining about fan works they simply don't care for. If fan works are removed all together from here, I'd be alright with that. But when someone said "all Sonichu-related works need to go, except the ones I like!" it seems more like favoritism rather than objective policy. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 00:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, though I myself am hardly unbiased. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 00:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's almost like this wiki is run by trolls who cae not for your feelings.--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 01:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Just because we troll Chris doesn't mean we can't deal with each other in a civilized manner. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 02:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't troll shit, spud. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 02:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Can anything be done on this site without creating a shitstorm? This isn't some crusade against drawfags, and it shouldn't be painted as such by EITHER side. The site is about Chris, and the large amount of coverage on his creations is only because they made up such a large part of his life. The CWCki isn't about Sonichu, it's about Chris. Maybe some exceptions can be made, but for now fanworks not directly about Chris need to go. I myself enjoy many, especially Fear and Loathing in CWCville, but unless it is used to successfully troll Chris, it doesn't belong here.
Thing is, we need a peaceful resolution to this. Shit with faggot users and /cwc/ is bad enough, we don't need this to blow up. Maybe exceptional fanworks can be allowed; if not, they can be hosted on DA, or perhaps a site devoted to Sonichu. The artists and fans need to remember that this isn't an attack against their work, it's just policy. Users who want to be active in the execution of this policy need to not be dicks about it, and be responsible about it. It's not "deleting shit one doesn't like," it's removing unnecessary images and articles. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 02:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well, like I've said before, I will print out every page, bind it, and mail it to him when I'm finished. Which should be in two weeks or so. If my works are deleted before then, I'm not going to worry too much. In fact, it wouldn't bother me much at all if the entire fan section was removed and all fan art was deleted. I'm just a little put off from the vitriol a lot of the critics are spewing. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
::You think he's going to read it, that's cute. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Maybe, maybe not, what's the harm in trying? The most it'll cost me is a few bucks in postage. Well, that and the markers. Now I understand why he textwalls so much, those things dry out quick! :P --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 03:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I could totally get on board starting a new site just to host these things. If we do so, though, we need clearly-defined criteria as to what gets to stay. Limiting ourselves to stuff Chris has seen would be fair, but it would need to be absolutely enforced. Which is to say, we couldn't have a page on ''Chris Gets Laid'', excellent though it is, unless he himself responded to it in some way. -[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 03:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You could do that. That's entirely acceptable, as it focuses on Chris and its activities. What you couldn't do is a story about a Sonichu recolor having some dumb adventure while Chris gets laid as a side-story. [[User:DrShoggoth|DrShoggoth]] 03:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well by those rules, we'd have to delete the page on ''Sonichu Is Dead'', because Chris barely appears in it. We need a single, objective policy for what gets to stay and what doesn't, regardless of quality. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 11:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there has to be some kind of objective criteria, not just what largely seems to be "Your fic/comic is bad, and you should feel bad, ur a furfag lawl." If you want to cut fics because the Fan section is getting out of hand, fine. Just come up with a standard that makes sense and enforce it. If the "How you think Sonichu should have been" rule is enforced, then the entire fan section will be pretty much gutted. If we go with the "About Chris not Sonichu", well pretty much every fic has Chris' Mary Sue Avatar Combined with his real self on there, so where's the line? Is it IRL Chris, or Comic Chris? [[User:Mellowyellowsalvation|Mellowyellowsalvation]] 16:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*That's why I think limiting ourselves to stuff to which Chris has responded makes the most sense. He either did, or he didn't, and there are no shades of grey. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 02:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*As I've said elsewhere, I personally think the Fan Works index is more of a hassle than it's worth and we should get rid of it. Clyde has suggested a separate wiki and I think that might be the best solution. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
** I would agree that a second site for fan works would probably be the best course of action. However, I think we should consider keeping notable fanworks (that is, those that Chris has responded to) here on the CWCki. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 17:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
***This site is for things that have trolled Chris, so we should absolutely keep them. However, I notice that lots of things that don't fit those guidelines have survived the purge. Why? --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 15:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Re:Examples of bad fanworks ===

Most of the fan works don't seem to fall in any of those categories. Is there something else that's a problem?--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 00:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*No, a lot of the admins are just fickle, want things they specifically don't like deleted no matter if there was a good reason or not, and don't seem to realize that trolls don't necessarily have to be asses to anyone and everyone. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 12:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
* Right. It's that, it has nothing to do with an overwhelming majority of it being some sick fucks fantasy and has virtually or literally nothing to do with Chris. They're just angry, angry DAMN DIRTY SLANDEROUS TROLLS. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 03:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

* To avoid altercations like this, I would delete the index entirely. Simply put, there are other, far more suitable venues to put this, so you won't ever have to lapse into offended rage, or conversely, argue with trolls sticking their 'n***** noses' in your business. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

=== Dumb suggestion ===

Why couldn't we just grandfather stuff in? --[[User:GandWuser|GandWuser]] 12:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

=== my suggestion ===

wipe everything and start a new wiki because i'm cutting down everything that's eating up resources. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
*people should pay attention to me more. also pay attention to me. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 16:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I like this idea. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

i've been considering moving to a new version of mediawiki, but might as well wait for 1.16 to reach stable. this should go on technical though i guess --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 19:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

===Guys===
The admins are at liberty to delete whatever the fuck they don't like. It just so happens they don't like torture porn involving Sonees and Roseys and comics intended to piss Chris off a la Asperchu. I know Asperchu gave you all hope for your fan comics and getting into the annals of troll history, but Asperchu happened because until then no one had attempted anything like it. The way to get into troll history is not to follow in the footsteps of more famous trolls, but to find areas of Chris's psyche no one has prodded before and poke the shit out of them until you get an angry YouTube video. If you really really REALLY still want your fics visible on the internet, make your own Sonichu site for fanworks or join a preexisting one, such as [http://caferosechu.110mb.com/index.html Cafe Rosechu] (which is run by the girl who made Capering Berries). ... As for the underage guro, fucking stop. That's disgusting. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 22:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)
* What he said. --[[User:Inos|Inos]] 07:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

===Looks like you missed something===
Both the [http://cogsdev.org/cwcki/Category:Fear_and_Loathing_in_CWCville|category] and [[Fan talk:Fear and Loathing in CWCville|talk page]] for my crap remains, as well as all the pages I uploaded. I'll take care of it... if someone can tell me how to delete pages. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 22:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

==Harassment and NPOV==

Recent events have brought up these issues, so let's address them.

First, let's do our best to aim for some semblance of [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Neutral point of view|NPOV]]. Things considered by us to be good humored may not be taken that way by others. So yeah, try not to insult other sites, users, etc.

Harassment - yes, there are fuckwits on this wiki. There's fuckwits on any wiki. But don't point it out to them. People need to be able to edit without fear of harassment from others for their users. It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users. If they're stupid, just point it out and explain calmly why but telling them they're fuckwits is no way to do it. Srsly, I expect a bit more from you people. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur with the statement about NPOV. When i edit articles that's usually what I'm going for. The CWCville article was ridiculous and full of shit that just wasn't the case, as are a great many articles. People making jokes and idle speculation at the expense of reality.

So kids, keep the memes out, and if a facet of Chris' mind or life is an unknown leave it that way instead of inserting your own idle speculation. We're here to document the real CWC (and related fictions about CWC created by the real CWC), not to create our own CWC. [[User:DrShoggoth|Dr. Herodotus P. Shoggoth :Doktor of the Forbidden Sciences, Medallion Guardian, Imperial Emu, Emeritus of the Ancient and Justified Order of the Turtle]] 00:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

So, essentially, kill them gently? --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 20:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

*I've been thinking that maybe the best solution at this point would be to prohibit any discussion of matters unrelated to Chris and the CWCki, even on your own user page. Thus, many of the members who had been harassed or whatever in the past would probably have never been targeted in the first place. Granted, I would prefer if we didn't have to limit the users right to say what they want, and it would certainly be a pain in the ass to enforce,but could potentially prevent most if not all of the harassment issues. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 21:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
:*This wouldn't be an entirely bad idea, given that I know Wikipedia has basic rules about user pages, namely it's used to discuss one's contributions to Wikipedia and nothing more. Good thinking.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
*It might also help if suggesting that we resolve a bureaucratic issue without resulting to namecalling [[User_talk:DrShoggoth|didn't result in vague threats.]] --[[User:Star Platinum|Star Platinum]] 22:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
**agreed. I'm not exactly the biggest contributor on here, but even I've seen Delabonte threatening others for asking him to be a bit less abrasive in his messages, asking why exactly they were in trouble for something, or even not sharing the same opinion as him. Why does this guy get away with it? Also, I don't care if he's "respected by Cogs" as has been said, that doesn't mean he should be allowed to abuse his position, spam angry templates on other people's accounts just because he doesn't like them, and generally treat everyone else like shit. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::*I agree on this policy. This kind of harassment brings down CWCki's appearance in a whole. It makes us look less like a reputable source on an autistic manchild and more like a restricted community of threatening rep destruction and overenforced rules. There is no need to attack innocents just for casual talk or for living certain lifestyles, it's just plain wrong in general. Delabonte is just a person who feels privileged and like he needs to point out things about people and act like he needs to be a Jr. Mod of sorts. To be frank, this is annoying and just rude. I'm a member of many places, but never once have I done anything like go out and go "OH NO THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING '''MY''' RULES TEMPLATE ''TEMPLATE'' ''' ''TEMPLATE'' '''!" and not a lot of people here have before. It's inappropriate, immature and quite low IQed. So, in conclusion, and tl;dr: Agree with idea, down with empty threated non-mod steam-filled members. --[[User:Eniggy|Sen. John Eniggy, finishing opening statements for case on the Congressional floor]] 04:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:::* Not to be a jackass or anything, but try and keep in mind where you are. This is a website dedicated to trolling an autistic manchild. Many of the people here are involved with other trolling operations and such. Lots of trolls like to target furrys. By ousting yourself as a furry here you're essentially making yourself a black man at a Ku Klux Klan rally. Not saying that all of this harassment should have occurred, but it certainly wasn't unforeseeable to the victims. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::*ThatMan has nailed why Delabonte and others feel warranted in acting like they do and this is pretty much the justification for some of Cog's and Clyde's actions here. Remember, this is a critical site of Chris, essentially out to troll him, and so you're not going to be attracting the same sort of people to edit as say, Wikipedia. I can talk to Delabonte about shit.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Actually, I'm not a furry (they scare me, to be quite honest- I'd sooner run through traffic and fling myself off a highway bridge than be one) but the point here, as shown by your post is, is about the exploits of Chris and the trolls who have trolled him, not a place for people to use trolling to vent their anger upon here. I don't support weeabooism, but I also don't support using CWCki as a stress ball. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 05:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Also, Chris is a particularly bad furry, so bashing them is arguably part of our mission. We shouldn't get carried away, but I don't think anybody would object to the occasional snippy comment. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 21:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

== User pages for banned users ==

Anyone opposed to not having user pages for banned users? Seems to be taking up space and seems sorta silly. I once said something along the lines of "To serve an example" or something but now I think it's just a waste of space. Anyone opposed to deleting user pages of permanently banned user? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:No objections here. --[[User:James Lamp-Eye|James Lamp-Eye]] 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
:Depends on the user. I see no problem in deleting some of IBAGeneva's accounts, but we should keep a couple of examples (maybe between five and ten?).--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] forgot to sign
:I would agree that we should just delete their pages so as to not waste space, but is there any way we could possibly mark that they were banned when their signature is shown on talk pages and stuff like that? I just feel like this would help prevent any potential confusion between users who are banned and users who don't have user pages. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 01:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*A short page about wby they were banned sounds good. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
::That actually gives me a better idea, maybe their could be a page of banned users, with notes showing the reason for why they were banned. When a user is banned, their userpage could just be a redirect to this page.--[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 05:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:::fuck what I was about to say, the best balance between saving space and giving good examples of what not to do would probably be to do what ThatMan suggested. ThatMan, you have done a great service for the operation of the CWCki. I salute you, good sir. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 05:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
*Well that settles it. People, you have 24 hours to make a page (in the CWCki namespace) with a list of banned users and their rationale. In 24 hours, I will delete all the banned user userpages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I'll do what I can. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 11:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
:*My lord, it is [[CWCki:Banned_Users|done.]] --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 12:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Userboxes ==

I think the usage of them is getting a bit out of control.

As I see it:
# unless you have a very convincing reason why a userbox should be on the main namespace, it really should be on a user's subpage.
# we get rid of some of the categories of of userboxes - it's handy to know which CWCki users are also PVCC members, it's not quite as important to know which CWCki users practice martial arts.

Thoughts? Any justifications why we should keep userboxes as they are? Personally I'm tempted to say that we should make user boxes as part of one's user subpage or at least remove the categories for most of these.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think they need to be culled. Specifically, the ones that don't have anything to do with Chris.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 02:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::Either way is fine. They're not exactly a big part of the site. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 15:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:Sorry about that. I'll keep my own userbox whoring under control. Just thought I was being clever at making more Chris jokes. (Keep in mind that I didn't add all those userboxes indicating race/gender/and religion, though I did modify the one for my own race.
:But I think the "Armchair psychologist" could be kept for some practical use, like a <s>barnstar</s> award for those who have contributed much analysis of Chris's mindset. --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 16:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
::I just want to say here that armchair psychologists are not why we are here. We are here to document Chris, not theorise on his mindset. That stuff is okay in tiny doses but if you plan on doing it so often that you want a box for it, go to [[/cwc/]].--[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I think Nationality might be useful, if only to establish about what time said user would be active. But stuff like cats, or naive, etc. have no practical use. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 20:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Why not just have time zone stamps then? Honestly I've thought that these userboxes were stupid for a while, glad to see I'm not alone in that. Honestly only a select few of them really seem necessary. Other than ones related to staff positions held by certain members and perhaps something useful such as what Bill Lumberg brought up, none of them really serve any meaningful purpose. --[[User:ThatMan|ThatMan]] 00:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*Obviously not all of them have to be useful, as some of them are just fun and a way to encourage people to edit the CWCki. A time zone stamp would be good, though the nationality userboxes tend to be more flavorful (i.e. it's funnier to say something about the fact you're an American than you live in GMT -5). Some could in theory be useful - if you're a drawfag, then people can ask you to draw stuff for articles and whatnot.
::::Problem people are having is that people are getting carried away - do people really need to know you're a Zoroastiarian? Do people need to know you're a weaboo who's into manga moreso than anime? I think in general, we need to work on making pages, in the style of Wikipedia, serve as a way of describing one's contributions ''to the CWCki,'' not just a "about yourself" page.
::::There's nothing wrong with the userboxes, like I said, it's people getting carried away is what seems to be troubling.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::So where do we draw the line? I think that's the real problem; there's no set limit to what the userboxes should be for. Having "flavorful" userboxes tends to be a gray area that needs some definition. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 16:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)
* It should be pretty simple: keep the nationality boxes, Warrior, Observer, and the like, and the awards. We don't need to know if you're straight or gay or if you're Christian or atheist. We just need where you're from, and what you're doing here. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 17:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

==Fuckwit Alert template ==

I propose we remove the Fuckwit Alert userbox or whatever it's called. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:*I am happy to do the removing myself--[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a good idea, go for it [[User:Notslowpoke|Notslowpoke]] 03:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::Ronichu, you can't remove shit here. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::*Correct. Neither can you. I'd just like to politely point out that '''you are not a mod here'''. I think it's high time you were either directly promoted to be one so you have a badge to go with that attitude (at which point you '''can''' cast down proclamations from on-high with righteous fury) or '''learn to accept that you are not a mod here''' and act accordingly. I'm not fussed either way. The overwhelming consensus from users (and some people who '''are''' mods), irrespective of if they have that userbox or not, seems to be that it should go. So unless an '''actual CWCki mod''' steps in and says not to, in a few days I'll start removing the userboxes from user pages. If you re-add it, it's page vandalism and will be treated accordingly (reverted). I have little patience for wanna-be mods acting like their big brother is the sheriff so they can just do what they please. This isn't PVCC, it isn't ED, it isn't a place for you to do whoever the fuck you want and go around posturing, making vague threats and acting like you own the place. '''You don't. Cogs does.''' If she wants you to to have unlimited power, she has that ability to grant it to you; if she grants it to you, all well and good. Then it's official. Her website, her decision. But until then the CWCki is ONLY about documenting and discussing Chris (and occasionally peripheral other stuff). So either get on with with the [[Chris|task at hand]], or get promoted and make your inane desires official policy, or go back to EDF/PVCC where you can be lord of all creation or whatever the fuck. PVCC and the CWCki have different mods and this is by design. TL;DR so either officially become a mod or '''shut up''' and behave yourself. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
{{Quote|It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users.|Champthom, on this very page.}}
Now obviously I'm not a admin or a Jerkop or PVCC or anything, but it seems to me that the fuckwit alert template causes way more problems than it solves.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
*It's very tedious for me when furries who have barely been here for six months act like they own the place and presume what Cogs does or doesn't think. I think what bothers you here is the fact although we are presumably "equals" (lol) I did something you never could, and excercised power you don't have. As has been pointed out before, I am just fufilling the wishes of the PVCC. May I remind you Cogs okayed the template and it hasn't been an issue until you brought it up now? If Cogs says take it down (and she might), well, then the template should be taken down. Until there they remain as a reminder for certain furries (who want to be big elite trolls) to back off a certain user. Go back to doing [[Sydney Contacts|piss poor imitations of women]], Ronichu. The only person making a big deal of this are those who have fallen under my hawk-like gaze. My mind is closed on the matter. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 16:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
**I'd like to point a few things out. First off, you've made 952 edits to this wiki in your 15-odd months here. That's 1.8 edits per day. Ronichu has made 842 edits in 6.5-ish months, which is 4.2 edits per day. Ronichu is known for devoting hours to transcriptions. You are well known for plastering the wiki with "Not a Forum" templates. I wouldn't overstate your influence here. While you may have done something which is vaguely useful at some point in the past, Ronichu has done far more for this wiki than you have and even Champ is getting fed up with your antics. Ronichu made a good point and I suggest you get off your high horse and learn something. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
***And I just want someone to explain to me what the fuck I did wrong to get the template, and why i'm also the target of all these vauge threats. I didn't even touch that "certain user". Check the entire page history; I've done jack shit to interfere. What is my crime, and at what point did I try to be a "big elite troll"? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 17:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:::*You probably got it because you [http://cogsdev.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Coffee_Place&oldid=101640 posted on the Coffee Place talk page.] [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 18:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
::::So? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that I got this template for those two sentences. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 19:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

===Why I've banned Delabonte===
Delabonte '''was''' a good user. He's edited a lot and contributed to the CWCki. However, after receiving warnings on the CWCki and a PVCC thread discussing the CWCki, he continues to spend most of his time on the CWCki harassing users and enforcing arbitrary rules. Yes, some of you did do stupid stuff. However, telling them that they're "under watch" and whatnot is no way to do it. Cogs in the PVCC thread conceded that Delabonte went "too far" in some regards and others accused him of taking the CWCki more seriously than I do. I do take the CWCki seriously but I find that setting low but reasonable expectations of users leads to less frustration on my part.

People, some words of wisdom:
# read between the lines of what I or someone like Cogs or Clyde says, as it'll clue you into things.

# don't contact Chris or anyone you think might be Chris. Yes, I hate to break it to you but you're probably not going to get through and if you do you're going to piss people off. As I've discussed with Ronichu before, you can contribute to trolling Chris in a lot of different ways than trolling him directly. As he aptly put it, it's like the Air Force - only a tiny percentage of the Air Force actually flies planes, the rest are support. If it's any consolation, I've never directly trolled Chris (well, there was an IRC chat but that was one small instance) and I probably won't.

#try to contribute to CWCki. I do not mean to offend anyone by saying this, but please don't use CWCki as any of the following (not inclusive): a place to plug your fan work and not contribute anything else, a place to "express yourself", a place to attempt to troll Chris, a place to create drama, etc.

#rules are not always absolute on the CWCki. Cogs and Clyde have very different admining styles than I do. As I've said before, this is ultimately Cog's site so she gets to do what she wants and I really can't stop her and sometimes she does things that go against general policy. However, the nice thing about not having absolute rules is that they're flexible when they need to be. In any case, don't cite things I say when someone is being an ass because if they're being an ass, they probably don't give a shit about what I said a few months ago. Tell them why they're being an ass, how being an ass is not helping their cause, and that they should stop being an ass and you'll be getting farther along without creating drama.

You'll avoid pissing people like Delabonte off if you manage to follow these rules. If you have questions about stuff, feel free to ask people in IRC or contact me. In general, the adage of "LURK MOAR" holds true.

Delabonte is only banned for six months. Originally I planned for a year but I think six months is more sufficient. Hopefully he will use this break to reflect on things.

His general concern about the quality of CWCki editors is valid and his zeal in trolling Chris can be appreciated on some level, but his tactics of going about it have no place here. So yeah, let's cut this drama and get back to editing the CWCki. Time I spent writing this could have gone to something more worthwhile, like helping [[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] transcribe some Mumble chats.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:37, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

:Thank you for this and everything else. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 02:55, 5 August 2010 (PDT)

==Hey faggots==
If we are all done arguing about templates and about who put one where and what not, there's a few long overdue transcriptions and shit that could be worked on. Quit being a bunch of drama queens, all of you. I don't give a shit how many edits you have, what you have produced or who fucking hates who. Take my fucking advice and work on community projects or your own projects and ditch that whole wall of text above. If any of you in the above section keep it up, I can guarantee that someone at the top is going to come along and yell at this shitload of faggotry. We need all of you here doing stuff.

Let me rephrase that slightly: we need all of you here doing something less dramatic and more helpful. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
:I completely agree. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 01:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
::Sounds like a plan.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 01:35, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

== Feeding the trolls ==

To formalize this, feeding the trolls and vandals is strongly discouraged. Anyone who taunts, insults, etc. a troll no matter how much they really deserve it will be warned first, then banned temporarily on the second offense. Multiple offenses will be dealt with longer bannings. Just as a warning. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:05, 12 September 2010 (PDT)

==User talk pages==

I've been noticing [[user:Eniggy|quite]] [[User:Pfargtl9000| a few]] of you have been leaving unneeded messages on the talk pages of other users. While not a flagrant violation of CWCki rules, it's still something I feel should be avoided. If somebody is doing something you don't like, take it up with a jerkop and they will investigate any misconduct (these being shitty edits, forced content, ect). If you look at Champthom's topic above this one you will see that this topic runs along the same lines, only it extends to all user talk pages and not just those of vandals. It's best not to pick fights with other editors, because you're not just representing yourself when you make a post, you're representing the CWCki as a whole. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:30, 26 September 2010 (PDT)

== Contact Information ==

I feel the need to clarify our policies towards the posting of personal contact information (phone numbers, e-mail addresses, home address) of those who are in contact with Chris. The posting of said information is forbidden. Posting said information here voids the neutrality of the CWCki, changing it from a passive repository of Chris doings, to a base from which trolling attempts are launched. Please take this into consideration. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 14:52, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

== Video Upload Dates ==

Recently there seems to be some confusion over the upload dates of some videos. It's far easier to just go by the date specified on the YouTube video page - as that not only gives us a static point from which to base dates, but it is also the date when the video was uploaded, rather than when it finished processing. OH and did I mention that YouTube is in the same timezone as the CWCki? --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 18:19, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

== JenkinsJinkies Policy ==

JJ is not Chris. I believe that Chris is lying about being him. [[Wikipedia:sarcasm|I'm pretty sure he's a badass troll who hitchhiked from Boston at age fifteen. That's not so unbelievable, right?]]

Anyway, until we say otherwise, anything Chris says about being JJ is a [[Wikipedia:Truth|lie]]. We don't want to scare him off now, do we?

If this is too subtle for you, I can answer all your questions here: http://qchat.rizon.net/?&channels=%23cwcki-fun

Just remember, anything I tell you is to remain off of CWCki. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 20:49, 6 November 2010 (PDT)
:Ok, an update. Our best researchers have determined that JJ actually '''is''' Chris. '''SURPRISE'''
:So you can start putting [http://trollingtrain.10.forumer.com/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=3 his posts from trollingtrain] and [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXlVjW06MDk his application] on cwcki. Go, go and edit to the extreme! [[User:Canine|Canine]] 16:48, 30 January 2011 (PST)
::I'll start an article for the video if nobody else has yet. Any idea what it should be named/what it was named? I didn't save the original. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:09, 30 January 2011 (PST)
:::JenkinsJinkiesCwckiApplication.MOV [[User:Canine|Canine]] 17:28, 30 January 2011 (PST)

== Reminder about jerkop powers ==

As a reminder, jerkop powers are '''limited to dealing with vandalism''' , as per my [[CWCki:Community_Portal/Archive_5#Memorandum_on_Jerkop_powers|memo on Jerkop powers]]. By vandalism, we take a page from Wikipedia by stating that vandalism is a deliberate attempt at violating the integrity of CWCki. CrassCrab has been using his jerkop powers as editorial influence which he had no right to do. He will be banned until 00:00 GMT Christmas day (his sentence was originally a week but 'tis the season and whatnot) which should give him time to reflect. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:29, 23 December 2010 (PST)

== Shut down the CWCki to selected users ==
all we get is stupid edits, i think we have 90% bad edits and 10% good edits now. there is no new information. the only thing we can do now is refine old articles and people are doing a bad job of it because speculation is gay and i hate you all etc. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 21:24, 16 January 2011 (PST)
:I'm actually kind of interested in this idea, but I have three questions. 1. On what scale do you want to measure good/bad edits? 2. Who keeps their accounts? 3. How do people without accounts apply for one (assumedly, it would be possible to do this because otherwise when people left, the editor base wouldn't replenish itself)? I mean, preventing retarded edits is obviously a good idea, but if it's "we'll just ban a couple retards and prevent new accounts", that might prove counterproductive. Some of the more recent new accounts actually have improved the wiki, even if only in a small way. On the other hand, if it's "ban everyone except for 4 or 5 people", the integrity of the wiki would be preserved, but new content/revision of articles would also be a slower process and, as some recent edits have shown, there have been a lot of typos/oversights in old articles that prove that the wiki still isn't perfect. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 02:14, 17 January 2011 (PST)
*No Clyde, this is a bad idea and goes against wiki standards. I do think we need to work on style, that is what should go in an article and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:43, 17 January 2011 (PST)

== User page and talk page policy discussion ==

Recent events have made me think that perhaps we should consider our policy in regards to user pages and user talk pages.

Generally, one has been free to do with one's user page as they want within reason (i.e. not use it as a pastebin or something like that). In regards to use talk pages, I've found that while it's encouraged that you keep all comments posted on there available for good form, one is free to remove comments.

Now here's the problem with user pages. Sometimes people use them to "express" themselves and well, shit like [https://789chan.org/cwc/res/35641.html this] goes down. While I do my best to make CWCki a safe environment where people can edit freely without fear, I cannot protect everyone from being trolled themselves. So I think we need to discuss a new user page policy, perhaps limiting to CWCki related projects.

Likewise, user talk pages. Obviously one is free to remove trolling, but some people think comments should be preserved.

So, what do you all think of this? Obviously, I'd like to solicit some discussion before anything is implemented so let's discuss what you all think about user pages and talk pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:42, 2 February 2011 (PST)
:I think editing other people's comments, where ever they might be, is pretty faggy and shouldn't be tolerated.
:But people shouldn't be harassed either. I would say that we can't trust people to only remove comments that "cross the line". They'll be more likely to get offended at personal comments. Conflict of interest and whatnot. Perhaps they can complain to an admin? [[User:Canine|Canine]] 19:54, 2 February 2011 (PST)

I think a good policy is to get a little tougher on the relevance of the CWCki to Chris. Essentially if an edit doesn't in some way relate to Chris, or an article on the wiki, then should it really be made? That said, here are my suggested guidelines:

- "Apolitical": The CWCki is apolitical. While discussion of Chris's stunted views on politics (and those around him) is permitted, it's not a place to push your own agendas. ("Chris, like all lefty pinko welfare state advocates, has no idea about how taxes work", "Bob, like all fascist, warmongering Republicans, hates brown people" etc etc).

- "The Snowflake Rule": The CWCki doesn't care about you. You are not a precious snowflake. Even if it focuses on Chris, don't link to your personal website, your webcomic, hat store, ED page, whatever. It might be [[Asperchu|absolutely brilliant]], but it has no place being 'pushed' here. Don't compare yourself to Chris, nor dump your own embaressing personal information here. Nobody cares you have autism. Nobody cares you're also a virgin with rage. See Not A Forum.

- "Hornet's Nest": The CWCki is frequented by trolls. A lot of trolls. Despite a firm anti-harassment policy, if you choose to kick the hornets nest, it can't protect you from being stung. Be polite, don't push your own agendas, contribute meaningfully and selflessly, and harden up. You don't have to have the last word.

All I got for now. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 14:16, 4 February 2011 (PST)

== Question About Articles on trolls ==

Kind of a newfag so this question may have been asked before, but its been on my mind. I can understand why topics on Trolls don't have 'real' information (Such as the TRUE and HONEST CWC) as thats outside of the purviews of wiki and isn't at all necessary. But I think there should be disclaimers on articles that are 'In-Troll'. Not that I don't think that readers can't read between the lines (or recognize the blatantly obvious), I'm just a bit OCD and would like there to be more internal consistency (for example the article on Autism says its painfully obvious the TRUE and HONEST CWC isn't, while several claim he is).--[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 20:05, 20 February 2011 (CST)
*I think the issue is that the articles get written when it's still relevant e.g. creating the Jackie article while she was still in the picture. Since Chris might browse the CWCki at any time, the articles have to not give shit away. Because nobody is really sure when the people stop being important (because nobody knows what Chris will do), the articles never get rewritten. That's just my take on it, but I don't know if that's right or not. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 07:52, 21 February 2011 (PST)
**Well there's supposed to be an improvement drive, and it's looking like the days of trolling CWC have come to an end. I think this should be considered for improvement. I'm not saying there needs to be any sort of Real-life behind the scenes bullshit for the trolls, I don't want that. But just a bit more consistency between articles would be good. --[[User:Sherzo|Scherzo]] 16:15, 21 February 2011 (CST)

== The Wallflower policy and extending it ==

I think we should formalize The Wallflower policy. Someone who's up to it, write up a policy regarding using [[The Wallflower]] on here, namely how it was at her request. Ideally the person who gets around to writing this would go through the community portal and the Wallflower article talk page to understand the specifics of the policy. Try and do the best that you can and I can fill in the gaps. [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] wrote a good one a while ago but I can't find it. Whoever gets around to it, post it [[CWCki:The Wallflower|here]].

I have been thinking, I think that we may want to extend this policy. Not so much that we change all of Chris's friend's article names, but namely removing personal references from articles, namely current MySpace pages, that sort of thing. I have a feeling that Chris might be using the CWCki to stalk his gal pals and I'd prefer not to enable Chris. However, I'd like to get some feedback before we did anything with it, so thoughts on personal info on pages? Should pages have references to current career statuses, MySpace/Facebook accounts, etc.? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:42, 7 March 2011 (PST)

== Public Domain Certification ==

Not sure if this should go under policy or technical or whatever, but I'll put it here.

I noticed that this website is under Public Domain, but when you click on the link at the bottom, it takes you to a Creative Commons page that says the Public Domain Certification is retired and should no longer be used. Apparently it should be replaced with a "CC0 Public Domain Dedication and Public Domain Mark" according to the website. I'm wondering if that's actually necessary or if just putting "Content is available under Public Domain." at the bottom of the page is good enough. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 14:07, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
*I'd talk to [[User:Cogsdev|Cogs]] about that. We're sorta liberal on copyrights, and most of the stuff uploaded here probably couldn't be considered public domain under the strict definition. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:05, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
* The long and short of it is that public domain ''as a concept'' is still OK if you're just looking at the United States, but Creative Commons wants to promote the CC0 dedication as a global alternative, because not all countries have the concept of public domain. (For example, I'm in Finland, and technically I'm not allowed to renounce copyrights on my works. But I absolutely don't care what people do with my CWCki contributions. So there. =) So if CWCki stays on PD, it's not a huge issue. Saying the material is explicitly CC0 would just clarify legal issues for non-US contributors. Also, as Champ says, we have stuff that definitely ''is'' copyrighted. We'd need some sort of a clear legal policy that dictates what material is and what material isn't covered by this, but it's another matter altogether if people would want to work on such policy. (Takes away time from productive stuff. Crafting elaborate copyright policies might make people look like CWC-obsessed geeks. And so on and so forth. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 04:01, 9 August 2011 (PDT)

== De-memeing the CWCki ==

You know, as I continue to contribute to the CWCki, I often see things in a new way. One such thing is the use of memes on the CWCki. Now I've always been alright with appropriate use of memes, as trolls are our primary readership so it makes sense to have cultural references that are relevant to them. But on the other hand, I've come to realize that this might be lazy. Instead of coming up with our own jokes or utilizing the many rich and unique Chris related memes, we're just stealing jokes from elsewhere. I also feel that it affects our credibility, as speaking in troll parlance makes us seem biased towards trolls.

So pretty much what I'd do is try to remove as many memes as possible - getting rid of reaction images (which, IMHO, are a waste of space and just lazy), changing "Sauces" to "References", that sort of thing. Obviously keeping references to memes that are appropriate to understanding Chris related phenomena.

As this is a rather large policy proposal, I'd like to have some people's thoughts on the matter. Personally I think it'd be an extension of [[CWCki:NOTED|"CWCki is not ED"]] but I'd rather ask other people what they think since like I said, it's a big policy move and some people like memes.

Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:10, 2 September 2011 (PDT)
*YES. DEAR GOD YES. I don't have a problem with most memes, but some of this shit is getting way out of hand. "Reaction images" are not funny anyway, and when I rewrote [[Chris and religion]] I found no less than ''three'' of them in quick sucession, and I couldn't even remove them all because they were the ONLY images for that particular section of the article. I'm always changing "sauces" to "references" anyway, because for some reason it's extremely prevalent, (and by the way Champ, don't think I don't know you started that annoying trend. You and me will be having words later). I would also like to remind people of the previous state of the [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] article, which I like to call the CWCki's malignant tumour, and remind you all that until recently we had a page about a fucking Advice Dog spinoff. Like I said, I don't have a problem with memes, if they're funny at least, but all this stuff that you're talking about like the reaction images is just shit that's clogging up the toilet. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:59, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*'''I agree.''' Memes that die are often used incorrectly, without or out of any funny context. Reaction images are something that stuck when Chris was pumping out videos, however, like you said, they are lazy and only clog the toilet. In the article Champthom had shown, we are not here for "epic lulz", nor are we trying to be biased towards the Trolls. We only bash Chris when there is proof to merit it. So I agree that we could take out a few memes that are just kinda there, without purpose. I am curious what you guys think, too. [[User:Ash link|Ash link]] 09:17, 2 September 2011 (PDT)

*When someone who has "Meme" in their name makes a case against memes, you know they have something to say. Well since I haven't heard any strong arguments for keeping the status quo, I think we should go about de-memeing the CWCki. I'll reword the "not ED thing to relate to this. I'm not going to ban every use of a meme, just strongly discourage it and avoid it as a matter of style. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:45, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*I guess I see your point, but put thought into it before deleting. I admit 3 face palms on the religion article is a bit much, but 1 face palming religious figure I feel is needed. I guess if the meme Really fits it should stay. Like Paul reacts to chris' video I feel is very appropriate, or the bitches and whores pic on the one article is okay, because its right next to the part where chris starts saying women don't do this this and this, but they do. So yeah overkill and needless placement of some should be scraped, but chris gets trolled by memes and internet related culture alot, id like to delve further, but im at work posting this from a phone. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 09:23, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

*Oh wow. It's actually happened. We can at last look forward to a brighter future with less ED inspired retardery on these pages. No more dumb reaction images everywhere. The CWCki is blessed this day comrades. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:09, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

*167 pages use "Sauces", can admins use some kind of shortcut to change them all at once? [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 04:30, 5 October 2011 (PDT)

== Removal of "Reaction Images" ==

There is an abundance of tangentially related "reaction images" in almost every article. In an attempt to streamline the wiki and free up some space, I suggest we trim the fat by removing reaction images and cheap Photoshops. As an example: [[100 2269|This article]], everything goes. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 22:56, 18 September 2011 (PDT)
*Well given at least two people have been in favor for this, why not? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:43, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Endorse this policy. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:58, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
**Well, I'll just get started then. I'm going to be fairly zealous about removing images and marking them for deletion. If it's just an image for a pun, or joke, it's going. --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 12:13, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
*Note that my endorsement of this policy is purely for images unrelated to Chris, such as random celebrity "reactions". Not that we have many, but any which are of Chris and/or his family should probably stay. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:20, 19 September 2011 (PDT)
:*Double note: I have a working tool which will help make the process of mass deletions easier. Once I get canine to run a maintenance script on the CWCki, I will use the tool to help delete the images with as little effort as possible. Note that this tool is manually operated and each deletion is manually checked - but just thought I'd mention it to prevent any RSI from anyone who was thinking of undertaking a completely manual deletion process. Good work on the tagging so far though. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 12:30, 19 September 2011 (PDT)

== User page policy ==

I've implemented a policy on [[CWCki:User pages|user pages]]. If anyone feels they can elaborate on it, by all means do so. I've noticed though that a lot of the people getting trolled on /cwc/ were brought to their attention through their user pages on the CWCki which is why I'm tightening down on user page content, as I'd rather not see people get trolled. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:20, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*I thought trolling was okay as long as it didn't actually happen on CWCki? I've got to see Champ, I am disappoint. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:12, 23 September 2011 (PDT)
*We've had...issues in the past. This policy is purely something we can point to and fall back on if we need to. I've added a section on the rules about editing user pages. It's a fairly simple rule - if it isn't your own user page, you most likely shouldn't be editing it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 09:07, 23 September 2011 (PDT)

==New Fan Works Policy==
Now before anyone goes apeshit, I don't mean bringing back the fan section. That thing is better off dead. I want to open a discussion on our policy with relation to fan videos and fan art used on this wiki for articles. We have a lot of this stuff on our pages, and the quality varies considerably. I was inspired to do this when a user called [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]], (a man after my own heart), went on a crusade to cut all the faggotry out of the CWCki. In his edits, he removed a lot of fan art and fan videos, and for that reason some users saw fit to revert his edits. Thing is, I agreed with him. Those images and videos often were just stupid and pointless, particularly the ones on the [[homos]] article that seemed to serve no other purpose than to go "LOL CHRIS IS GAY WHAT A FAG LOLOLOLOLOL".

However, even though I reverted them back so that the fan videos were removed, the opposition did make some good arguments in favour of them. Particularly since one image was actually an Artist's Commune commission and some of the videos on the Bob Chandler page were tributes. For that reason I spared those. What I'm getting at, is that we need a cover-all policy about fan art and fan videos that can allow us to remove or at least move the faggy stuff and keep in the stuff that's relevant and serves a purpose. And no, we can't just keep everything. CWCki is not free advertising for your shitty Chris remix on [[Youtube]], or a place to dump your manga interpretation of Sonichu.

That said, begin discussion. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 02:33, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*There was once a time where I pretty much allowed anything in terms of fan art. However, around the time some user uploaded very bizarre pics that looked like a 3 year old did them in MS Paint with bizarre summaries like "lol rosechu has been very bad" made me reconsider it. Generally, my rule of thumb is that if it illustrates a Chris related concept, it has merit on the CWCki. Now there's probably stuff on here that doesn't meet these qualifications specifically. I think that there's some very good fan art out there by very talented artists and I think they merit a place on the CWCki. For instance, I just uploaded a picture of Chris doing a self portrait ala Normal Rockwell. It doesn't strictly illustrate a Chris related topic but you gotta admit it's pretty good. I'd like to see more artists contribute to the CWCki so we can have some original content to illustrate Chris related topics. But what I'm not crazy about is when articles will have art for the sake of having art or (one of my peeves) huge ass sections in video articles with various remixes and stuff. True, there are some great fan remixes and such but when there's like 20 of them on a given page, that's hella annoying.
:The problem of fan art is that I really don't want to judge fan art's merit based on whether it's "good" or not, as that's mostly an aesthetics issue and I'm no art critic, so I think it ultimately has to come down to whether it illustrates a Chris related topic or not.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:57, 28 January 2012 (PST)
*In this case I think we need to set a standard as to what relates to a topic and what doesn't, but I think quality needs to be a factor as well. Having poor MS Paint drawings used as an image article just makes a page in general look bad. Let's take something easy with lots of images relating to it for an example. [[The Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail]]. Look through the gallery, and tell me what you think would and would not be appropriate as an image on that page. And on an unrelated note, I would like to request that I be promoted to some position that will allow me to delete files, because god fucking damnit look at the last image of that gallery. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:38, 28 January 2012 (PST)

*Hello, this is what I think are the problems when it comes to images;

1. '''Pictures of icons "reacting" to Chris.''' There is really no point to this, we know Chris is stupid, I don't think an impromptu picture of Lucille Ball is going to affect anyone but the idiot who posted it.. Actually I would go so far to say no pictures of people unrelated to Chris unless they are there to truly prove a point (like having a picture of Leonard Bernstein on the [[Christopher's name change]] page).

2. '''Pictures that only Weaboos/Bronys/Sonicfags/Etc. Can Understand''' This is bad because it embarrasses the CWCki by bringing the A-log type people who inhabit the CWCki to light. We want to look better than Chris, not on the same level.

3. '''Good images?''' If an image is actually ''good'' there is really no reason why it shouldn't be on here (IF it is actually Chris fan work). If an image is a shitty photoshop and funny then keep it too.

Thank you very much. I'm sorry if I caused any chaos earlier. [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]] 13:37, 29 January 2012 (PST)
:We actually don't allow reaction images anymore. They were in almost every article and they just aren't funny. I thought we had them all by this point, but I guess some slipped through the net. The other points I can also agree with, but I think they're a bit too vague to actually make a policy about. I think the unspoken rule is that uploading your own artwork to the CWCki is generally a bad idea. Upload it to some other site, and if people like it, it'll end up here anyway. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 14:19, 29 January 2012 (PST)
*With regards to point three, I think we need a place to compile the images that come under that "good image" definition, e.g. all the stuff that is considered good or funny like our current picture of the now but that we can't put in any other articles, and from then on either something goes into an article, goes into that page, or we delete it for being useless and faggy. Right now we just have a category for fan art, and that's cluttered with loads of fan works and crap that survived the purge or reaction images that have been removed but no-one ever got around to deleting, which speaking of which someone really should. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 08:19, 31 January 2012 (PST)

== Month articles ==

I made a post about this on [[2013]] and I'm not sure if anyone will bother to read this, but here goes - I think for 2013, we should just have the 2013 article and have months as subsections, like the 1990s articles. If, by some remote chance, Chris comes back to the Internet and posts daily, then we can always make separate articles for each month. But while he's being a recluse and we might get one minor update a month, if we're lucky, I don't see the point of having an entire article for a month if it just has one thing like "Chris changed his Facebook profile image" or something like that. I bring this up because I know people in the past thought it was helpful to make month articles in advance but I don't think that's the case. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 01:32, 30 December 2012 (PST)

== Chris's gender ==

So it appears to be confirmed that Chris now considers himself a woman and prefers to be referred to as such, which brings up to the issue of whether we are to refer to Chris as a man or a woman in terms of pronouns.

Obviously people have strong opinions and biases on each side, but we need to remember that regardless of what your opinion on the issue of transgenderism is, it's really not our position to judge whether Chris is actually transgendered or not. However, I think we do need to consider at what point is it acceptable to refer to someone as their preferred gender - is it just by saying you're transgendered? Is it when you start doing therapy? There's obviously social protocol about this which I'm not sure. From what little I understand, I believe you're supposed to refer to people by whatever gender they prefer and not to question their motives.

I'm inclined to say we refer to Chris as a "she." I'm not a big fan of that idea personally, it'll be a shitload of work to rework all the articles to reflect this, but again, this isn't about my personal views on the matter but rather what's best to provide at least somewhat neutral, less-biased information about Chris. This is why I think we need a "Chris and gender" issue as it's getting more complicated than the little section we have in [[Chris and sex]] which mostly reflects less relevant information we knew about Chris and how he viewed his gender.

It might be prudent, I think to maybe wait a month or so before we do anything. There is a chance Chris will decide to be referred to as a man for some reason and for that reason, it might be worth a wait to see if he wants to be referred to by female pronouns. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 02:42, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:No, you're right on the issue. As much as we bash Chris, his gender is his own, and we have to respect that to some degree. I'm perfectly fine to fix any pronoun/grammatical change where it's needed, but I think we should wait until about January before deciding.

:There's also a few new articles that need to be made, as the 'cat/dog' spambox seems to have stopped working; including a page for the upcoming [[2015]]. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 5:37, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:Also, we severely need to add a page about that brushfire video Chris made in October or November! --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:06, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

:I say wait for it until January like what Boomhauer posted, but there's one point I think I should refer Chris as a "she" for now which is the Facebook post where William refers Chris as "her". [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 06:52, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

:The relationship between the CWCKi and Chris is a hostile one, so I don't think we should concern ourselves with the courtesy of Chris' pronoun preferences. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 00:00, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

::Not quite; if anything, the CWCki has been (or at least now is) dedicated simply to documenting Chris, not provoking. In fact, there's been a lot of de-a-logging for old articles, recently, albeit a few jabs here and there are fine, when in proper context. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 21:23, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

:::Nah, it hosts his private info, including his nudes. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 22:37, 17 December 2014 (UTC)

::::And even more articles outlining his lifestyle and psyche; what's your point? That we have pictures of him in his tighty-wighties? [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 1:24, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

::::A lot of that stuff has been released by third parties or often times, Chris himself. It's not really our fault if Chris is a poor judge of character. The goal has always been just to document, a lot of the confrontation with Chris were more or less due to efforts to appease certain people but the ideal has always been to be a neutral party in all this. We still have work to do in this regard but in any case, our position is not outright hostility and I'd like to reflect this by doing whatever's appropriate to refer to Chris's preferred gender.
::::As an update, it looks like Chris is referring to himself (herself?) as "Christine" on Miiverse or whatever, but still "Christian" on Facebook. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

:::::Chris hates the CWCki, and the CWCki is the primary repository for cocks that are invasions of his privacy. Are we really going to pretend anything otherwise? XD

:::::But anyways, I don't think the burden is on us to re-write the pronoun usage on the entire CWCki because of Chris' recent decision. Maybe stuff going forward, but that would probably be confusing. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 10:19, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

:I think we should simply refer to him as a man, for now at least. It'd take quite a bit of work, going back and retconning gender pronouns, and even then, do we refer to him as female consistently, or only after he began identifying as a woman? Not to mention, Chris is of course really whimsical - what appear to be strongly held convictions of his can cave overnight, sometimes with very little impetus - look at his U-turn on drinking, and lesbians (admittedly, that one has vacillated a bit, and was always quite a bit more nuanced). [[User:Lysistrata|Lysistrata]] ([[User talk:Lysistrata|talk]]) 02:09, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

===Update===
According this latest [[January_2015_Facebook_posts#I_will_force_respect_out_of_others|Facebook post]], Chris specifically requests to be referred to with female pronouns. The intention of the CWCki is not confrontational with Chris and I've done my best to keep the CWCki from being used as a tool to troll Chris. Some people have in the past but it that was because my protests were ignored.

Usually when I'm not sure how to approach a wiki based issue, I look to a site like Wikipedia to see how they handle it as to see what sort of precedent exists. Probably the most notable case is the case with [[Wikipedia:Chelsea Manning|Chelsea Manning]] (formerly Bradley Manning) where there was a huge debate over how to handle the article when Bradley announced he is transgendered and wishes to be referred to as Chelsea. The issue of timing of when to refer to Chris as a "he" or a "she" was brought up and based on that article, the article describes "she was born..." as opposed to "he was born..." even though biologically she was born with male genitallia.

Again, the CWCki's place is not to piss off Chris directly or intentionally at least. It's always been to inform people with an attempt to be impartial through with a healthy dose of criticism. I realize that many people have strong opinions about transgenderism in each way or the other, but it's not really our place to let our personal opinions determine policy. The common decency thing is to refer Chris by his preferred pronoun (I apologize for using "his," old habits die hard) as you would anyone who announces they're transgendered.

I think our case is a bit more complicated than the Chelsea Manning article on Wikipedia. The article was just one article and maybe a few related articles that might have referred to as Manning, whereas we're dealing with changing pronouns in just about all of the over 1000 articles on this wiki. It'll take an effort to change every single masculine pronoun referring to Chris to a feminine one. We've waited a month and it seems like Chris is very serious about his female identity, he's made comments like "no operation yet" and this is no longer just something crazy he's doing to attract women.

So here's a few options we could do:
1) Go through each and every article, change masculine pronouns to feminine in reference to Chris. My concern here is any edit wars over those who insist that Chris be referred to as a man and with thousands of articles in question, it could be nasty and more work for poor admins like [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan]].
2) We leave the pronouns as they are. We however have a disclaimer in one of the policy pages that says that while we acknowledge that Chris prefers to be referred to as a woman and female pronouns, for the sake of simplicity, we will leave pronouns just the same. Henceforth, we would start referring to Chris by female pronouns.

Again, this is a huge policy decision, probably the biggest one we've ever had. That's why I'm kinda coming out of my inactivity to bring this. If we do go with a massive change of all the pronouns, I will even contribute towards the effort. As this is a major policy decision, I'd like to see what editors feel should be done about the matter. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 10:06, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Main Page

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'''Archives''': [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|1]] [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|2]]
==Make a new Saga?==
Even though Chris has been less active over the less couple of years, he has recently (since early March) been giving infomation about what has been happening over the last couple of years. I think we should call this a new Saga "Revalation" Saga. [[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 3:40, 14 September 2013 (EST)

==Note==
Flipnote Hatena will be shutting down May 31, 2013. Also chris 2013 article needs updating.

==Did you know..==
Some of the "Did you knows" sound really over-opinionated and A-loggy next to the A-log article of the now.

Ex. "...that Chris is a disgusting human being?", "That Chris cannot dance", I also have a personal gripe with, "...that Chris was born on 24 February, the same day the Nazi party was founded?", as it associates CWC with Nazis. [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]] 10:18, 16 December 2012 (PST)

==ohinternet==
Should we include a da update about ED and ohinternet considering their past relationship? [[Supersheep|Supersheep]] 23:38, 19 April 2011 (EST)

==Happy Sonichu Day!==

Is Sonichu 11 or 23? Also, is it possible to make the Sonichu page the now article? --[[User:TheIronFjord|TheIronFjord]] 21:33, 16 March 2011 (PDT)

==PSN Tracker==
I have Chris on my friends list on the PSTriple.
How would I go about contributing to the PSN tracker? [[User:Dillon627|Dillon627]] 06:30, 28 January 2011 (PST)

==Protect the templates==
Seeing how the main page itself is protected, why not protect the templates as well? [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 16:49, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
*There's already cascading protection for all the front page templates. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:51, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
*Stop freaking out about this spammer shit, Champ has it under control --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 16:53, 11 September 2010 (PDT)

== new vid ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzAJvMKQeJA&feature=player_embedded

can't add news so there you go--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 13:38, 16 September 2010 (PDT)

==Can this be the new Quote of the Now, please?==

{{quote|I've learned... from my father; he taught and showed me which male ends go into which female ends.|Wallflower E-mails.}}

[[User:Bunsteaks|Bunsteaks]] 13:28, 25 September 2010 (PDT)
I'm for this too.
[[User:Theiselybors|Theiselybros]] 02:10, 21 October 2010 (EST)

*Ironically, I vote this for today. --[[User:MissMeg|MissMeg]] 15:11, 10 September 2011 (PDT)

==I suggest this for the Video of the Now==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmFHPbaNT04 [[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 07:37, 28 September 2010 (PDT)

Since there's a white space in the Video of the Now (at least on my computer) why not feature this video? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoqjN3amRD4
--[[User:Vofdoom38|VofDoom38]] 17:44, 21 October 2010 (PDT)

== Project Map Fucking Everything ==

Started up this project and got a lot of things mapped down.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ptab=2&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=116038930500742252038.0004949e055d81dc61c0b

I'd like to get all of the places he mentions/visits/films/rapes marked down on the map, but there's a lot of videos and some of them I never wish to see again. So, it's open collaboration and anyone with a Google account can edit it. Feel free to login and mark down different areas he's visited. Just try to be logical and succinct when adding locations. Don't need every McDonald's marked down. When doing videos of him travelling, try to figure out the path with a line and mark at least one end of it.

Now, a question:
Should we make a page for the full map or just link it in the bottom of the "Locations" divs on the other pages?
-- [[User:Arius|Arius]] 13:49, 9 November 2010 (PST)

*Put it on the locations template. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 13:53, 9 November 2010 (PST)
**Done. Couldn't think of a better name than Chris's World. -- [[User:Arius|Arius]] 14:11, 9 November 2010 (PST)

== Sports ==

Is there any inclination that Chris is into any kind of sport or professional sports team? I asked this on the main page because I don't know where else to ask it.
*Sign your fucking posts god damn. Also, no. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 04:18, 14 November 2010 (PST)

== Slight Error ==
Chris hasn't gone 5 days without the internet, he logged into youtube 2 1/2 days after he posted the leaving video.
[[User:Theiselybors|Theiselybros]] 19:46, 26 November 2010 (EST)
:Probably should have discussed this before just removing the counter... [[User:Smtp|Smtp]] 17:02, 26 November 2010 (PST)
::It's a non-pedantic count. We're really focusing on how many days he's gone without making a video - which Chris equates to "being on the Internet". --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 21:30, 26 November 2010 (PST)
:::Yeah, why is the counter back? I don't know how to re-implement that sort of thing or I would. --[[User:Bluedeanie|Bluedeanie]] 16:18, 17 December 2010 (PST)

== Vandalism? ==
Some guy named [[User:Trueandhonest]] has been going around vandalizing pages lately, claiming to be Chris-chan himself. Most likely it's a troll, but I just wanted to point that out. [[User:N. Onymous|N. Onymous]] 15:33, 30 November 2010 (PST)

== Does Christian Who Cares know this?==
I don't remember his surname. Does he know that the creator of Pokémon has [[aspergers]]? At least Wikipedia's article says so... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satoshi_Tajiri --[[User:Doctor Whatever|Doctor Whatever]] 16:21, 4 December 2010 (PST)
* It seems that you just answered your own question. As to whether or not Chris knows, I honestly don't think he even cares. He justifies things when it allows him to continue his current lifestyle. He'd probably just say "Well I guess there are some exceptions" and move on. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 16:39, 4 December 2010 (PST)
** You're right, I should have figured that out. Theres an article about his hypocresy, but its not really necesary to read it; it takes about three seconds of reading this wiki to realize that he's the biggest of hypocrites...--[[User:Doctor Whatever|Doctor Whatever]] 17:46, 4 December 2010 (PST)

==CWCki is pretty dead==
Chris isn't coming back, at least not for a long time. Despite this, there are a shitton of new editors who drop by every other day and fuck up articles. The only reason I'm really still here is to fix up the edits of these new editors. I think we should start finding the good articles on the wiki and either lock them or put a template saying not to fuck with it a la ED. As articles get fixed up, they get locked down, at least until Chris comes back (if he ever does, anyway). I get that it might take some time or whatever, but it would help preserve the CWCki should Chris never come back or I die or something. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 12:11, 11 December 2010 (PST)
*Well it was just a matter of time until he would end up in a mental hospital. I always told him so, but whatever. I agree though, that there are probably many articles, that can be protected, especially all the videos, mails, phone calls, chatlogs and whatnot.--[[User:Sonichu|Sonichu]] 19:09, 12 December 2010 (PST)
::I'd push for the templating approach rather than protecting. Article protection should be used sparingly. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 05:00, 14 December 2010 (PST)
:::After seeing old articles being still corrected here and there, I tend to agree. Maybe this Chris-free time isn't so bad after all. Gives us time to look through all the old articles.--[[User:Sonichu|Sonichu]] 16:51, 14 December 2010 (PST)
::::You guys have gone from reporting the antics of a potential criminal to stalking a retard. Really it's pathetic. Do we need to know about uneventful sightings at the mall or his activity on PSN? That sounds like having less of a life than Chris does. Every lolcow eventually dies down and CWC is finished. This isn't like that point when everyone thought he was done for but came back, this is it.--[[User:Goatselover|Goatselover]] 18:05, 29 December 2010 (PST)
:::::Obviously you know something we don't. Go on, enlighten us. [[User:Sonichu|Sonichu]] 21:08, 29 December 2010 (PST)
:::::First, as Champ said pretty much RIGHT below this, this page is about improving the main page exclusively. Take it to Offshore CWCki. I think your targets are probably mostly there. As far as I'm aware, the people remaining here are dedicated to the wiki, rather than devoted to coming up with new ways to stalk Chris.
::::::It's not even about concerning ourselves with how next to foil Chris' Heart-Meter. This is about the chronicling
::::::and archiving of this entire man-child's existence for the benefit and hilarity of all future new-fags
::::::--[[User:Boosegumps|Boosegumps]] 03:40, 19 January 2011 (PST)

== Sightings ==

Okay, question, as a field agent who is seeming to have multiple run ins with Chris (was the guy who took the kroger pic and I commonly see him when he comes into my work) Where should I put my sightings so I am not cluttering up the other pages? [[User:CFA|CFA]]CFA
:1. Sign posts with 4 tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) if you want to avoid typing all that shit every time.
:2. [[User:CFA/Whateverthefuck]] is usually the best place to put your stuff.
:On another note, I appreciate that CFA is the name of the guy who took that pic, but that doesn't necessarily prove that it's you. Expect people to be critical of that statement. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 01:20, 16 December 2010 (PST)

*I did sign with 4 and I posted it up on the offshore first. Secondly, I asked because there is no article on sightings. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 10:38, 16 December 2010 (PST)CFA
::Signing with 4 tildes yields a timestamp. Always. There was no timestamp. The point I was making was that yeah, the guy on offshore is called CFA. However, you just made your account here and there's nothing stopping someone other than offshore's CFA from taking the username. As a result of this, even if there were a "sightings" article, you still wouldn't be able to just dump new shit there because there's no confirmation that you are who you say you are. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 11:10, 16 December 2010 (PST)
*alright, then what would constituent proof for you guys? [[User:CFA|CFA]] 12:03, 16 December 2010 (PST)CFA
::I'd say photos ^^ [[User:Sonichu|Sonichu]] 16:01, 16 December 2010 (PST)
:*photos of what? My page on offshore or something else? [[User:CFA|CFA]] 17:56, 16 December 2010 (PST)CFA
::Gee, I don't know, maybe ''the picture you originally uploaded to Offshore CWCki''? --[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 22:39, 16 December 2010 (PST)
::I think the best picture to upload would be proof that you can log into CFA's account on Offshore. If you have any new pics, those work too, but I don't expect you to have to do too much work for this. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 11:07, 17 December 2010 (PST)
*[[Image:CFA offshore.png|300px]] [[User:CFA|CFA]] 12:41, 17 December 2010 (PST)CFA

:*In the future, posts like this go in the Community Portal and not here. This discussion page strictly involves improving the main page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:33, 19 December 2010 (PST)
*My apologies [[User:CFA|CFA]] 20:54, 19 December 2010 (PST)CFA

== Is This Chris? ==

He apparently stalked the shit out of liquid Chris therefore leading him to know his whereabouts along with his real name. So, he decided to post a video about it for some "troll busting".

Here's his channel:
[http://www.youtube.com/user/CarlosChantor]

- 06:33 (CST) January 6,2011

I doubt it. I mean, do you see him putting together such a coherent video and hacking someone's facebook. The only Chris-like thing about it is that they got the wrong one of the twins pegged as Liquid.....

ARIGOLD17 WHO CAN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO SIGN POSTS- 3:30 (EST) January 14, 2011

== ps3 tracker change ==

the ps3 tracker says jan.7.2010 when it should be jan.7.2011. just pointing that out. [[User:Carnival Vexillarius|Carnival Vexillarius]] 10:06, 8 January 2011 (PST)

== Shojo letters ==

[[File:Shoujobeatchrischanletter.jpg]]
[[File:Shoujobeatchrischanletterreply.jpg|Right]]
*Front page, y/n? [[User:CFA|CFA]] 15:18, 26 January 2011 (PST)CFA
<s>If it's legit I'd say front page material, I know Chris watches anime, but somehow I can't see him reading manga. I think he'd be too frustrated to figure out that you read it back to front. I think this might be a troll impersonating him</s> Never mind it says 23, so no one really knew about him, so it's probably legit.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 06:06, 1 March 2011 (PST)

== Potential Video of the Now? ==

Some pickle-related drama, brought to you by ''The Kids in the Hall''.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ECAvZTcaQew

-- [[User:Elliecoral|Elliecoral]] 12:31 2 February 2011

*For future reference, this should go [[Template talk:Video of the now|here]]. The thing about the video is that Chris hasn't used the "pickle" euphemism, as far as I can tell, since 2008 or maybe early 2009. It's just a really out-of-date term. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 12:12, 2 February 2011 (PST)

== Not sure if it goes here but ==

*First, no pics (due to working at the time) but Chris came in with Rocky. But here is the thing, he was with a group of special needs folks around his age, seems Rocky has gotten him to socialize with other special needs folks, that or the strange girl he sat across from was friendly with him. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 19:30, 25 February 2011 (PST)CFA
:Get pics next time. No, really. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 19:32, 25 February 2011 (PST)
:Oh and also, this is the wrong place to do this. This is about improving the main page. Put it [[CWCki:General|here]] or something. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 19:38, 25 February 2011 (PST)
*Thanks and as for pics, it was out of the blue, did not expect to see him that day (he normally comes in on saturday between 3 and 4.)[[User:CFA|CFA]] 18:28, 27 February 2011 (PST)CFA

==Userboxes==
*Would anybody have a problem with organizing the userboxes, like Trollboxes category would contain Clyde's, Vivian's, Jack's ect. Description/identitiy boxes, like all the ones that say this user is a x, like the American, straight, hikikomori. Then like title boxes like admin, grammar nazi, ect. I could organize them, but it'd take me a while cause I'm busy during the week.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 13:11, 2 March 2011 (PST)

== da update should be first ==

ps3 tracker later, or maybe just merged. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 15:39, 2 March 2011 (PST)
:I spent a while messing around with it today trying to find a better way to organize it, but I couldn't figure out how to change whether something's on the right or left side of the page. I guess switching the two wouldn't be too difficult because they're in the same box. No complaints here. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 15:41, 2 March 2011 (PST)

Just rid of the ps3 tracker, it's not even no longer updated. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 04:41, 7 April 2011 (PDT)
:I found out how to do everything that I didn't understand, but [[User:Freecell/Main Page|what I did with it]] still looks bad. I agree that Da Update should go first (and the quote of the now shouldn't take up so much space and the News/Improvement Project should go higher), but I'm not sure it can be moved without making everything else look bad. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 04:48, 7 April 2011 (PDT)
*I personally would have Da Update be first but Clyde insists that the PSN Tracker is more important. Take your complaints to him.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:11, 20 April 2011 (PDT)

==Seriously==
*What the fuck happened yesterday? What was with the creepy girl? Why was everything 404'd, though some of the 404 pages were funny.
: Seems like the server was just down. I'm not an admin so I don't really know. But the creepy girl has always been what you see when you specifically go to cogsdev.org or sonichu.com[[User:Isarko|Isarko]] 05:51, 17 March 2011 (PDT)
*I was just trying to check this site yesterday and I saw that ''thing'' instead. I can upload a pic of it, but... Was it supposed to be Little Red Riding Hood or some shit? [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] 09:26, 17 March 2011 (PDT)
:: I JUST tried and the weird Little Girls was there and then I re-loaded the page and it was fine... dunno. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 15:43, 17 March 2011 (PDT)
::: [http://www.sonichu.com/buletta.jpg picture] Based on the filename it's supposed to be [http://capcom.wikia.com/wiki/Baby_Bonnie_Hood Buletta/B.B.Hood] from Darkstalkers. --[[User:Digital|Digital]] 16:27, 17 March 2011 (PDT)
:::: Y<s>eah any time I've tried to follow my bookmark link that is set up to cogsdev.org, which has ''always'' worked, mind you, it now takes me to the BB Hood image after trying to redirect to sonichu.com. In order to actually get to the site I have to google CWCKI and find a random page and then backtrack to the main page. Am I doing something horribly wrong somehow?</s> As of my having written this, it'a back to normal now. Weird. Disregard me I am a buffoon.--[[User:Bluedeanie|Bluedeanie]] 10:14, 18 March 2011 (PDT)

==Ha!==
Nice touch for April Fool's [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 07:50, 1 April 2011 (PDT)

[[Random-access humor|IT'S RAINING CHRIS! HALLELUJAH!]] Also, if I may ask, what's the code for this? [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] 10:29, 1 April 2011 (PDT)
*note to self, listening to shpongle and watching the spinning heads here is seriously a bad idea! [[User:CFA|CFA]] 19:43, 1 April 2011 (PDT)CFA
*When are we gonna get these removed now? They were charming on April 1st but it's two days later now and they're getting kinda intrusive. [[User:Airrider1|Airrider1]] 15:35 EST
** I use [https://chrome.google.com/extensions/detail/cfhdojbkjhnklbpkdaibdccddilifddb?hl=en adblock plus]. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 12:39, 3 April 2011 (PDT)
*** [https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/adblock-plus/ And for Firefox...] --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 12:57, 5 April 2011 (PDT)

== You are now aware ==

[[image:Youarenowaware.jpg|800px]]

:It could almost imply that they somehow know one another! I'm more interested in the book to the left of it. Also, sign your posts. Also, this page is about improving the main page, as you've been told before. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 04:54, 7 April 2011 (PDT)

Well, I thought it was pretty surprising. All this time, that creepy little face was staring at me and I didn't even know it. The medallion and stare really make it a winner. Maybe bring it up in the Barbara page discussion. [[User:Farm Zombie|Farm Zombie]] 12:26, 7 April 2011 (PDT)
*Sorry,did that at like, 2 am. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 15:38, 7 April 2011

== Remove the PSN tracker ==

Srsly. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 05:58, 29 April 2011 (PDT)
*Or put it under the update section. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 20:41, 29 April 2011 (PDT)CFA

==TOMGIRL.PNG==
May I suggest a recoloring of the hair blonde? --[[User:MissMeg|MissMeg]] 09:31, 7 May 2011 (PDT)

== Liquid Chris Article ==
The whole "MOTHERLAND CALLS!" template has been up on the [[Liquid Chris]] page for a while, even before I became a member here. Has the article been fixed, or is it still in need of refurbishing? -- [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] 22:09, 7 May 2011 (PDT)
:Why are you asking this here? Try [[Talk:Liquid Chris]]. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 23:22, 7 May 2011 (PDT)
:: The reason I asked here was because nobody has added anything new the article since March (ignoring a recent edit-revert), and nobody has done anything with the talk page since last September. I was just wondering if this should be the Improvement Project of the Now if it's gone nowhere for a while. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] 10:09, 10 May 2011 (PDT)

== An error in dating? ==

Today's "''This day in Christory''" features [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet|a video from February 5th, 2009]], but today is ''June 5th''. Is this intentional? --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 10:37, 5 June 2011 (PDT)
*The video was from 5 Feb, but his CChanSonichu account was indeed hacked on 5 June. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 13:52, 5 June 2011 (PDT)

== Kim ==
Have we pulled a Wallflower on Kim? If not why doesn't she have a page, any information on her other than in passing, emails, phone calls, etc? [[User:Nullity|Nullity]] 21:45, 6 June 2011 (PDT)

==Just for you==
I while ago I figured out the code for making youtube audio play in the background based on ED's code for it. I just forgot to share it with you. Its a nice touch for user pages, but I wouldn't recommend them for Cwcki articles.

ev:youtube|'''(The Stuff After watch?v=)'''&autoplay=1&loop=1&start=1" height="1" width="1" fposition="left" frame="false"

except add '''{{#''' at the beginning and '''}}''' at the end, and lose the '''(''' ''')''' parenthese

Sorry if its confusing, ask [[User:freecell|freecell]] if you need help, he or she uses it too.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 20:01, 12 July 2011 (PDT)

==No detective needed==
Okay, you don't have to be a fucking detective to tell that [[User:Youdonttellmewhattodo|Youdonttellmewhattodo]], [[User:Nothingyouneedknow|Nothingyouneedknow]], [[User:GodoftheGodsofgod|GodoftheGodsofgod]] are the same fucking person seeing as all three accounts were made four minutes between each and they've been posting stupid shit, complimenting Chris, and blanking pages. It's an idiot, troll, or hell possibly Chris. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 11:34, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
:I don't think they're the same people. And I checked for some of them, they're not Chris. I don't remember specifically though and I'm kind of too lazy to check again. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 08:53, 20 July 2011 (PDT)
::Ok, sat down and checked those three again. Not Chris. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 08:58, 20 July 2011 (PDT)

==New videos==
Chris just posted a couple of new videos and from the looks of it, relating to that forum that he's been posting on. --[[User:KHSilverRock|KHSilverRock]] 11:27, 6 August 2011 (PDT)
*Two more videos have gone up. --[[User:KHSilverRock|KHSilverRock]] 14:38, 9 August 2011 (PDT)
* I just posted the update but there still aren't any pages about the videos. I would but I'm really goddamn tired and I feel like shit. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 14:41, 9 August 2011 (PDT)
** It's cool, they'll get made eventually, and I can't wait, to be honest, I missed the shinagins that Chris provided in his videos. --[[User:KHSilverRock|KHSilverRock]] 14:49, 9 August 2011 (PDT)

== Earthquake ==

Think CWC was affected by the 5.9 earthquake in Virgina at 2PM?--[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 11:17, 23 August 2011 (PDT)
:If he was, I'm sure we'll be updated. Until then, there's no way we could know. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 11:21, 23 August 2011 (PDT)

:Unless a big box of Barb's Salvation Army finds crushed him.--[[User:Shefap|Shefap]] 12:27, 23 August 2011 (PDT)
:* There's a website [http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/se/082311a/us/index.html] that will tell you where people in VA are saying they felt shaking. Around where Chris lives, there were reports of little-to-no shaking felt and no damage reported. He probably heard about the earthquake, but they probably felt nothing more than a vibration. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 14:05, 23 August 2011 (PDT)

== Article of the now. ==

shouldnt the Article of the now be Bob chandler? -[[User:HitIar|HitIar "wunderbar!"]] 12:50, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
:Indeed, I think Bob's bio should be article of the now until Chris uploads his next video. Then the article of the now should be changed into [[Chris and death]], as the most important thing about the next vid will be a demonstration of how Chris reacts (if he does react at all) to the death of a parent.
::Done, hope I did it right. -[[User:HitIar|HitIar "wunderbar!"]] 14:12, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
::*In the future, please refer discuss the Article of the now on its [[Talk:Article of the now|talk page]].

==Bob CWCki logo==
I found [[:File:BobCWCkiLogo.jpg|this gem]] we used ages ago for Bob's birthday, would it be in poor taste to post it in place of the current logo, for a while? Or perhaps someone could modify it to reflect his passing? I ask because I don't want to horribly offend people.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:50, 11 September 2011 (PDT)
*I second this, but not for too long. --[[User:MissMeg|Mary Lee Walsh | All hail the dean!]] 12:46, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
*It would have been appropriate for down time, maybe as a 404 message, but now that he's passed on, it is a bit distasteful. It would have been even more offensive if you planned to do this 5 days after his death. [[User:LAG4U|LAG4U]] 16:46, 25 September 2011 (PDT)

== Chris' family tree. ==

We should expand on Chris family lineage, because Barbara's father died in an unusual way.

J.O. WESTON, OF RED OAK IS KILLED
Joseph Otto Weston, 58, a farmer, was killed late Friday when he apparently fell from his horse drawn wagon on a rural road near Red Oak Charlotte County.
Weston, of Red Oak, was hauling wood. Apparently he fell from the wagon and under a rear wheel.
His body was discovered after the driverless horse and wagon turned up at a nearby service station.
Dr. P.H. Winston, of Clarksville, medical examiner, said death was caused by a broken neck.
Surviving are his wife, Mrs. Carrie Winn Weston; five daughters, Mrs. Wilborne Bourne, of Richmond, and Mrs. Edward Carey and Misses Barbara Ann, Mabel and Harriet Weston, of Red Oak; three sons, William S. Weston, with the Navy at Norfolk, and DeRoy Lewis and Curtis Wayne Weston, of Red Oak; three brothers, Alfred Weston, of Chase City, and Daniel and Roy Weston, of Red Oak; one sister, Mrs. Mabel M. Blacklidge of Richmond, and one grandchild.
A funeral service was held at 1:30 p.m. Sunday at Antioch Baptist Church.
(Source: The Charlotte Gazette, Drakes Branch, VA, Thursday, April 14, 1955 Submitted by: Bea. Adams King)

http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html

This is the same Joesph Otto Weston that in mentioned in that Family tree.

== Edit-hiding ==

What's going on with all the edit-hiding? --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 10:49, 6 November 2011 (PST)
:I try to use the feature sparingly, but basically it's for the protection of users. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 10:52, 6 November 2011 (PST)

== Stop this ==

The article of now has had bob plastered on it for 2 months, it's getting old so I decided to put an underrated sonichu character onto it and don't whine to me about it being disrespectful to bob, fuck bob! --[[User:cj|cj]]
*Personally, I think Jiggliami can eat a dick. Anyways, if you really felt that we needed a new article, you could have done something that made sense like, oh I don't know, [[28 October 2011]], instead of a character that has no relevance to what is happening in Chris's life at the moment. It's not that you're being disrespectful, it's just that you need to act a little more professionally on this site, even if it is a wiki devoted to an autistic manchild. [[User:LAG4U|LAG4U]] 10:31, 10 November 2011 (PST)

== what is this? ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt-gfkWu8Bc&feature=channel_video_title

Apparently this might be chris --[[User:The0range|The0range]]
*One, sign your comments. Two, this person claims they talked to a channel called "HuaYifu" and that this person was Chris. All you would have had to do is looked at HuaYifu's channel and you would have realized this wasn't Chris. This person has NOTHING uploaded on their channel that Chris would have done, never claims to be Chris, and never talks about Sonichu or Rosechu (which would have happened if it was Chris). This is NOT Chris. I'm not even sure how these messages came to be unless HuaYifu is trolling the owner of this video... or they both were in on it. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:47, 10 December 2011 (PST)

But why is the uploader of the video so convinced it's him though? It seem so obvious that it's not him that there might be more to it... --[[User:The0range|The0range]]

==Proper usage of words where time is concerned==

I have noticed that there are many pages that refer to "a recent video" or use similar assumptive language with regards to time. We should refrain from this type of language as the cwciki, and those pages, will be around long after the word "recent" fails to apply. [[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 11:35, 15 December 2011 (PST)
:I've said exactly the same thing. I change it when I see it, but it seems people take for granted that other people actually have to fix their shit. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 11:42, 15 December 2011 (PST)

== STOP FORCASTING ! ==

Ok i understand the desire to keep every page up to date but STOP FORCASTING! Do not enter anything into the wiki that WILL HAVE TO BE CHANGED at a later date. Don't put on barbs page that she has an upcoming court date, because that will have to be changed after that date happens. PLEASE dont make work for yourself and others.. [[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 10:47, 16 December 2011 (PST)
:Actually, I think that one's fine because it's an article that will inevitably have to be updated. The main issue arises on articles like videos, because post-fact people will be paying attention to other things. "Current" articles have to be rewritten all the time. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 10:52, 16 December 2011 (PST)
:Event forecasting is fine on a Wiki when further information is expected within a reasonable timeframe. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 11:35, 16 December 2011 (PST)
:: i understand that if its on an active page then its fine, but when the forcasting is put on other pages it becomes a correctin issue. Its much better to just link to the appropriate pages and not speculate. Let the active pages do the talking while the historic data stays historic. In other words October 28th 2011 is currently the central location for court info. other pages dont need specifics until we know what the outcome is.
[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 11:41, 16 December 2011 (PST)

== Current Events ==

There aren't ant current events on the current events page. '''So either we need to get rid of it''', or we need to put 'current events' in our 'current events' so we can have 'current events' when we read the 'current events' -xzibit [[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 06:09, 4 January 2012 (PST)

== Am i the only one who thinks there should be a second 'da update' type thing for significantly less important shit? ==

I'm not saying I demand this to happen, but it seems like it would be more convenient than checking recent changes for something that might possibly be new information. --[[User:Reldnahc C|I am tomgirlmanbearpig]] 20:34, 29 January 2012 (PST)
: While that's an interesting idea... anything that's "new information" is usually in da update. Anything else is usually something small, not confirmed 100%, or almost insignificant. I suppose we could have something small...but it would be getting updated quite a bit. At the moment, I think "recent changes" is probably a lot like another, smaller, da update would be... --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 21:03, 29 January 2012 (PST)

== Birthday Suprise ==

Chris will be turning 30 this year and that is going to have an effect on the wiki. There are places where phrases like "Even now in his late twenties" are used. This type of language is going to become outdated. Words like "twenties" "20s" and specific ages as in "at 28 years old, Chris still lives at home" will all eventually have to be changed. CARE MUST BE TAKEN when writing about time. Remember EVERYTHING is past tense and you have to assume that the reader is reading the information 10 years from now. I have mentioned time before but the whole 'turning 30' thing needs to be addressed separately.
[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 08:00, 2 February 2012 (PST)
*here is an example "There is no earthly reason why (barring unrelated catastrophes) a man that is almost thirty years old and has autism should live at home with his parents, specially when his autism is as "high functioning" as Chris's activity and his documentation exemplify it to be." - This will need changing. [[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 08:16, 2 February 2012 (PST)
:[[Wikipedia:WP:SOFIXIT|So fix it]]. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 15:55, 2 February 2012 (PST)
:*Or as we like to say here on the CWCki, [[CWCki:DOITFAGGOT|DO IT FAGGOT]].--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:30, 3 February 2012 (PST)
::*i am fixing what i see, just wanted others to be aware.[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 11:22, 7 February 2012 (PST)

== Revised idea ==

Maybe there should be a {{Timeline}} below "da update" on the main page, that would be pretty handy.--[[User:Reldnahc C|I am tomgirlmanbearpig]] 12:16, 5 February 2012 (PST)

That sounds like a good idea to me. [[user:poppybrolll|-~Poppybrolll~-]] 9:23, 11 February 2012 (PST)
*Sounds like a good idea to me too... i would suggest letting someone higher up the chain add it though. We just dealt with some front page vandalism (that was kinda funny BTW) but i think its a great idea [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 08:04, 17 February 2012 (PST)

== This is what chris actually believes ==

I notice this phrase attached to pictures all over the wiki. Some of the pictures are references to Chris believing that he has some sort of chance to get laid. But many are just derogatory and rude. There are times that we KNOW what Chris believes because he tells us but many times the pictures are misleading or speculative. example: the pic on the page [[Caitlin]] is an assumption and has no basis in truth. There are many examples of picture captions being downright rude and defamatory. I think its clear that none of us can stand Chris, but we should be more careful about that coming out in the wiki. The facts please, just the facts...[[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 10:45, 29 February 2012 (PST) oops

: I [[CWCki:Policy#De-memeing the CWCki|concur]]. [[User:Axe|Axe]] 05:43, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

== Another Quote of the Now Suggestion ==

Now that the details of Chris's trial has been posted, do you think his outburst about having to pay Michael Snyder's medical bills- "That thieving liar doesn't deserve a red cent!"- would be appropriate? Of course, I'm still kind of a newfag here, so ignore this if you want. I just found it amusing. [[User:Alopax|Alopax]] 02:40, 11 July 2012 (PDT)

== Suggested article: Persecution Complex ==

I think we definitely need an article about all the times Christian has claimed to suffer/endured harsh trials in his life. For example, equating pulling weeds once with a Marine carrying the dead body of his friend back, as seen in the Father Call. Said Father Call is chock full of instances of Chris claiming to have suffered to prove his worthiness, in fact. I also don't need to mention all the times he has brought up being handcuffed in school, having his attraction sign removed at college, and getting suspended at college, for that was always frequent. He also grossly exaggerated the actions of the trolls in every interaction with friends, obviously... Even in his first ever YouTube video, he makes sure to claim that he has had a rough life: "I was diagnosed with high-functional autism, and I lived a, uh, somewhat rough life. I've had an abusive babysitter at one time." --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 16:13, 17 August 2012 (PDT)

*: Seconded. Make sure to include the fact that he's got a legitimate reason so see his bullshit as more important than it is. Also there's a page for requesting articles. Now get to work, soldier. [[User:CaveJohnson|CaveJohnson]] 20:33, 17 August 2012 (PDT)

== Confused ==

So, what's the deal? Is this site just an ironic way of trolling him, or what? I heard this was dedicated towards supporting him from outside sources, but looking at the content, I'd say you'd either have to be trolling him using irony and sarcasm, or as stupid as Chris himself. {{unsigned|5thofjulay}}
: We're not for or against him, for most part. There's a bit of snark here and there, sure. We try to show Chris's stuff in his own words. Unfortunately for Chris, his material doesn't make him look very good. This site isn't really a troll site, just another way for Chris to troll himself. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 17:46, 9 November 2012 (PST)

== Forums Gone? ==

Should we mention on the main page that the forum has been deleted from the servers over at forumer? --[[User:Sparklemilhouse|Sparklemilhouse]] 15:41, 8 November 2012 (PST)
: Perhaps, if we can figure out what happened and what the following actions are. Last I checked, the forum staff was looking at their options. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 17:46, 9 November 2012 (PST)
: I wonder how much Our Pet Lolcow is chuckling to himself at the loss of our forums. Maybe he thinks we closed it ourselves to comply with his "apology post" on FaceBook; or maybe that one of his Curse-ya-meha-meha blasts actually worked.
:There's a temporary relief forum for the CWCki Forums: http://spergcityzone.forumer.com/index.php [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 22:51, 11 November 2012 (PST)

== Forums gone....again? ==

The most recent forums appear to be gone. Is everything okay, or was it closed due to some of the conflicts between certain users and mods/management? - [[User:I Be Bobby Boulders|I Be Bobby Boulders]] 10:52, 30 January 2013 (EST)
Can we make the forums ''not'' forumer this time? --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 09:53, 30 January 2013 (PST)

Eagerly awaiting the forum's next incarnation. --[[User:TubularMonkey|TubularMonkey]] 10:47, 30 January 2013 (PST)

Ditto. - [[User:Aiko-chan|Aiko-chan]] 15:31, 30 January 2013 (PST)
:We received a Chatzy screencap a while ago that proves that the people we banned planned to TOS the forum because nobody is allowed to have fun if they can't. Don't know if they actually were responsible, but that's the information we have. I didn't save the screencap, but I'm sure someone has it. I'm hoping that we'll have something substantial up within a couple days. We're just waiting on a couple email responses first. And it definitely won't be Forumer. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 17:10, 30 January 2013 (PST)

That was on the first day of the banning, and they settled down, so I doubt they did anything rash. Plus I've been talking to them almost every day, and they dropped it shortly after that day. The thing is that their forum was TOS'd at the same time ours was, so I'm assuming whoever did it reported both forums, and I highly doubt they'd TOS their own forum.--[[User:Someguywithnoname|Someguywithnoname]] 18:08, 30 January 2013 (PST)
:Yeah, this. There was some talk of going after champ's forum after the permaban of several people for trying to have something done about a crime committed by one of the mods, but it was dropped as a bad idea before leaving the brainstorming stage. Whoever TOSed either or both forums may have gotten the idea from such talk (and/or, more likely, simply from the predecessor forum having been TOSed before). [[User:SpergingAnarchistBagel|SpergingAnarchistBagel]] 12:14, 31 January 2013 (PST)

:They probably nuked both forums after they realized that A. They weren't going to be allowed back into the real one and B. Not very many people were going to defect to theirs. So they employed the Samson option. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] 10:40, 31 January 2013 (PST)
::That's the most ridiculous thing I've heard lately. At least half to two-thirds of the regulars from spergcityzone had "defected" to spergcentral by the time it was TOSed (basically everyone except for those who didn't try to access either forum during the short interval between the TOSings). Why on earth would anyone involved in running spergcentral TOS their own forum when it was pretty much already established as the successor to spergcityzone? If I had to guess I would guess that punchabunch TOSed both forums to try to get them to blame each other for it, given that they went down within 24 hours of one another and given his enthusiastic talk of "forum war". But there isn't really any way of knowing. At any rate, there's probably some troll who wanted to fuck around with both forums. [[User:SpergingAnarchistBagel|SpergingAnarchistBagel]] 12:14, 31 January 2013 (PST)

:::[MOVED RESPONSE TO RELIEF FORUMS]--[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] 13:13, 31 January 2013 (PST)

I'm currently creating a new CWCki Forums which is not under forumer. I'll let you know if it's ready. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 18:42, 30 January 2013 (PST)

It's done! First time creating a forum, so give me some tips and suggestions about it. http://alanpardewcwc.forumms.net/ [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 21:01, 30 January 2013 (PST)

I just checked my email, and brooklyn sent an email to everyone who shared their email on the last board saying that the new permanent board should be up by this weekend/early next week. [[User:Aiko-chan|Aiko-chan]] 21:49, 30 January 2013 (PST)

Well, at least we'll have a backup forum in case something happens.[[User:Saney|Saney]] 21:53, 30 January 2013 (PST)

The permanent board is coming soon? Great. I'll update the link later when it is up. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 22:25, 30 January 2013 (PST)

== Photo of rental house ==

Surely the photo of the front of the rental house Charb are staying in should be the photo of the now. EXIF data stripped, of course. --[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] ([[User talk:Shutupman|talk]]) 02:28, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

* I'm working on it. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:05, 5 May 2014 (UTC)
:: Cheers! That house sure looks spooky. --[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] ([[User talk:Shutupman|talk]]) 11:44, 5 May 2014 (UTC)

== Lego Wishlist ==

Exactly how much is Chris' NEED list worth? What about his WANT list?
At the same time, he's selling items that should have sentimental value to him to pay the bills.
This def needs some looking in to!
--[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] ([[User talk:Shutupman|talk]]) 05:07, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
* I decided to take this task on myself. Still weeding my way through ebay to find the lowest prices for each set, but suffice it to say, the tally is HIGH! --[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] ([[User talk:Shutupman|talk]]) 18:27, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
**The grand total for what Chris is begging for in Legos alone is ~$4800 --[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] ([[User talk:Shutupman|talk]]) 19:14, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

== QOTN ==

"The drawing that is being sold on eBay now is an Original artwork created by the original Creator of Christian Weston Chandler, and is solely being sold as an artwork with no original intent of profit."

**This needs to be on the front page because Chris is saying that his drawing he drew to sell online wasn't meant for profit.
These are disparaging statements. One cannot draw something with the intent of selling it and say they didn't intend any personal profit.
I'd put this on the forums, but null can't take jokes.--[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] ([[User talk:Shutupman|talk]]) 20:03, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

*** The total list rounds out to just over to $4800 for the lego sets Chris wants. He no doubt deserves them... lol --[[User:Shutupman|Shutupman]] ([[User talk:Shutupman|talk]]) 22:17, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

*** Going to. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:23, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

== PSN Tracker ==

I feel like this is kinda taking up valuable real estate on the front page. Anyone opposed to removing it? I was pretty much against it from day one, it's been on the front page mostly to appease [[Clyde Cash|Clyde]] but he's long gone. Not sure what to do with the extra space. I'd say to post his most recent Facebook posts but well, recent events suggest that probably won't be happening. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 09:42, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Template:Picture of the now

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Champthom: This hasn't been done in years but it's really supposed to be left aligned. Also I believe is depreciated for wiki usage, which means it really shouldn't be used

[[File:ChrisMugshot.jpg|250px|left]]
Chris's mugshot after being arrested for the incident on [[26 December 2014]].
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Champthom: Every time you don't wikify the QotN, I cry myself to sleep at night. Add a link to the blue arms as well

{{quote|Attention Everyone!!!

To preface what has happened recently, I simply remind everyone that [[Sonic the Hedgehog|Sonic The Hedgehog's]] Arms Are Not Freaking Blue!!!

If ‪#[[‎SEGA]]‬ had Never changed them, or reversed the change between February and November of this year in the new Sonic Boom video games AND Cartoon Series on Cartoon Network, as well as the Toys and whatever else, I would Never Have Had to Protest and Rebel the way I have, including the creation of my group, FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!!|[[Chris]], blaming [[Sega]] for his [[26 December 2014|assault on an innocent GameStop employee]].}}
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{{Usage|1= This template sits pride of place on the CWCki [[Main Page]]. It consists simply of a recent or topical quote from [[Chris]], or in rare cases non-Chris people. When editing the quote, ensure it is as accurate as possible, the exact source is referenced, and use links appropriately. '''Be sure to cite where this quote comes from, include a link if applicable.''' Also, this is a wiki - '''PLEASE WIKIFY''' (i.e. add links to other articles) when possible. Finally, don't add commentary to citation part - let Chris's words do the talking.}}[[Category:Front page templates]]</noinclude>

CWCki:Policy

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Champthom: /* Chris's gender */

CWCki:Policy

2014-12-04T02:42:39Z

Champthom: /* Chris's gender */ new section

CWCki:About

2014-10-22T12:08:39Z

Champthom: This may be controversial but I think while we've had this here, the CWCki has mostly been an aid to observe and report on Chris and not actively promoting trolling. We can debate if people think this is too radical

[[Image:CWCkiLogo.png|thumb|right|CWCki is your one-stop source for all information Chris-related.]]

[[CWCki]] is a wiki dedicated to [[Christian Weston Chandler]]. Its mission is to serve as the ultimate repository of information about Chris to inform the Internet at large of Chris's singular grotesqueness.

You can contact the owner [mailto:sonichu.cwcki@gmail.com here].

[[Category:CWCki]]

Talk:Saga

2014-10-10T14:41:25Z

Champthom: /* Regarding the Catherine Saga */

Add the sagas that we have from the [[List of Videos]] page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
*The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --[[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
*i think a visual representation of the sagas would greatly improve the article. a vertical, multi-part image would work quite well, i think, but all ideas are welcome. thoughts? --[[User:Cogsdev|cogsdev/vedsgoc]] 17:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
:*A visual representation would be awesome, I'm just not an artsy kind of guy to do that :3. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:53, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Oh, maybe Cogs was thinking like a timeline with shadded parts to indicate sagas and show the overlaps. Very good idea, even I could do that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:17, 20 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I'll start compiling images for each section. I'll try my best anyway. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:49, 23 October 2009 (CEST)
==Changes==
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)

* I actually really like these. [[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Your wish is my command. It is done. I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly? I can get started on a timeline. I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful. Are there any other sagas that should be here? I assume not. What do we need to add to make this... complete... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

==Timeline==
[[Image:Timeline.png|right]]
So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
*I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
:*I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)
*I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.
----[[User:Kwippleton|Kwippleton]] 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

==Gregg Mays saga==
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

==Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?==
Or does anyone think it's too early? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
* I was about to suggest the same thing. With the [[Kill de Jack|recent]] [[To Clyde and Jack|videos]] aimed at him, the [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|three]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 2|phone]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 3|calls]] and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention [[It's UGH!|previous]] [[Chris humps his PS3|antics]], there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** And I think it has begun! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]] Saga. You like? --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Awesome job on the icon! --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
===Actually...===
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. [[User:Chris fangs|Chris fangs]] 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/File:Timeline.png], which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]

*Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]
::::*I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==The CWCki Saga, anyone?==

I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
*Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death. If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it. If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Vanessa Saga==

My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== more saga sum up images ==

we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others
[[image:Picture_4.png]]

== Tito saga ==

'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named [[Lovely Weather]]. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to [[The Wallflower]]? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
* Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==IRL Saga?==

It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
* I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**How about 'Reality Saga'? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
***If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**** I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
***** I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flipnote Hatena saga ==

Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
*It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
**Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--[[User:Yoyoddd|Yoyoddd]] 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
***I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
****Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
*****Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint ''somewhere''.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==PS3 Saga?==

Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

==Missing Sagas==
Why aren't the sagas caused by [[Vanessa_Saga|Joshua Martinez]] included on the saga list?
*1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

==On Sagas==
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

*Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called [[Ivy]] and the article on the Liquid Saga is called [[Liquid Chris]]. But then there are articles which are literally called [[Miyamoto Saga]] or [[Vanessa Saga]], which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Vanessa Hudgens]]. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are [[:Template:BlancaSaga]] and [[:Template:MeganSaga]]. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
:*Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
::*Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

==The Lawsuit Saga?==
Should we separate most recent and ongoing events from Tomgirl Saga? Since Chandlers' law troubles, not Chris crossdressing interest, are main theme here. [[User:Hasharin|Hasharin]] 17:22, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
* Technically, the lawsuits would be part of the Game Place saga, right? [[User:Giantgroundsloth|Giantgroundsloth]] 21:26, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

== Individual Saga pages ==

I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
* EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
* I made a [[Tomgirl Saga]] page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
*I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the [[Ivy]] page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the [[Liquid Chris]] page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
**I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
*** i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
* I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

== Second Exile saga? ==

Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

== Regarding the Catherine Saga ==

I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
:Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

CWCki:Requested Pages

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Champthom:

A page to submit requests for pages.

Be sure to sign your comments!

A page going through the continuity and canoncity of the Sonichu canon with (or separately) discussing Chris's various retcons and why he's made such retcons. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:00, 6 August 2009 (CEST)
*[[Continuity in the Sonichu comics|Done]]. It's not much yet because I've only gone through episode 5, but it's a start. --[[User:GodBear|GodBear]] 22:12, 10 August 2009 (CEST)
Perhaps a page on Chris and Narcissism (maybe titled "Chris and Chris"?). We've got so many documented examples that it might be worth compiling it into a single page for analysis. This could overlap too much with [[Chris and reality]], though. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 12:14, 09 October 2009 (EST)
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*Not a post saying I've made it, but a suggestion that it would be better to call it Chris and himself. Easier to say and understand at the same time. - [[User:Larrykoopa13|larrykoopa13]] 15:52, 01 November 2009
**I had an idea titled "Chris and ego"/"Chris and his ego". However, I'm not ready to compile such an article atm; maybe later. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 01:20, 26 November 2009 (CET)

I finally found a quote from the Blanca e-mails about porn being educational. Anyone recall any other instances of Chris talking about educational porn? If so, we can make a page on "educational porn."--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:31, 16 November 2009 (CET)

Going to work on a 9/11 page, a Brutal Legend page, and a page about the portayal of [[CChanSonichu|Liquid]]'s portayal in the [[Sonichu comics]]. Also a article about the Mary/Gary-Suish style of the Sonichu comics will be written. - someone who forgot to sign their comment.

I'm tempted to make a page on Christmas, mostly because we have several pics of Chris's Christmas and a few early comments about Christmas. Thoughts, suggestions, etc? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:47, 1 December 2009 (CET)
* [[Christmas|Here you are :)]] The funny thing, I haven't read this request of yours when I made the page - great minds think alike, it seems ) --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 11:39, 30 December 2009 (CET)

I Think that a page documenting Chris's lack of respect for authority should be made, not like police authority, more like parental authority, authority of teachers like Mary Lee Walsh probobly with the name Chris and authority. --[[User:Hieghts503|Hieghts503]] 7:28, 29 December 2009 (CET)
* I think police authority should be mentioned there, too --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 11:39, 30 December 2009 (CET)
*Yeah that seems like it should be in there along with how he reacts to the managers authority when he gets banned. --[[User:Hieghts503|Hieghts503]] 12:34 30 December 2009
I have finally created the [[Chris and authority]] page, yes it still needs some work but I believe that it's a good start nontheless. --[[User:Hieghts503|Hieghts503]] 6:55 5 January 2010 (CET)
I thought I allready asked for this, but I must have forgotten if and/or where. Anyway, I don't like how [[Nintendo]] redirects to shigeru. Do you think it's worth making a Nintendo page? There's more than enough shit to fill it up with. Also, [[SEGA]] redirects to sonic; same story. We actually have a page for [[Sony]], why not for Sega and Nintendo?.[[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] 01:24, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

I've been trying to start up a possible "Chris and Censorship" page, but haven't found the right feeling for it. With his recent changes to his "fan" letters and what he's done in the comics, I think it should be noted somewhere --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 01:33, 30 December 2009 (CET)

An article on Dreams could possibly done, essentially trying to catalog everytime Chris describes his own dreams. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:59, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

I think an article entitled "Chris and Maturity" is sorely needed. Many pages reference in passing his childish nature, but it needs to be discussed in detail. [[User:Achtung Baby|Achtung Baby]] 22:38, 12 April 2010 (UTC)Achtung Baby

I don't believe "TRUE and HONEST" is covered in [[Honest content]], and I think there should be an article on what Chris considers TRUE and HONEST. [[User:Hamsterjelly|Hamsterjelly]] 04:12, 29 June 2010 (UTC)

I am honestly surprised there isn't a page on [[KCWC]]'s "broadcast" on 4 September 1998 (the one with Chris at 16 being treated like a kid and Barbara "phoning in" a request for Bob). I've been a long time lurker, first time contributor, so I'm not sure how to start the page, what to title it, or if its notable enough. [[User:Lexluthzor|Lexluthzor]] 05:16, 16 September 2010 (PDT)
*Good thinking, just call it whatever it's called on the [[DVD]]. We could possibly try to transcribe it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:53, 16 September 2010 (PDT)
:*There [[KCWC broadcast|you go]], broham.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:06, 16 September 2010 (PDT)

We should have a general article about the subject of Chris and Love that would consolidate his views on it and why they're completely distorted. The closest things we have are the [[Love Quest]] and [[Chris and Sex]] articles, which offer examples of his faults and his opinions on sex, but not love. Just a thought. [[User:Mutough|Mutough]] 18:57, 19 February 2011 (PST)

Not really important, but can we do a page on Ren and Stimpy, I caught a few references that he's made, but would it be enough to make a page for it? --[[User:TheIronFjord|TheIronFjord]] 12:51, 13 April 2011 (PDT)
*Couldn't this possibly be incorporated in the Stuff Chris has ripped off article? I really don't think Ren & Stimpy is a significant influence on Chris's corpus that it demands its own article, though frankly I don't think it's even really noticeable. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:37, 13 April 2011 (PDT)

I've been thinking of an article on "Chris and gender" but do you all think that this is perhaps something already covered in [[homos]]? Obviously it's because of DA AUTISM but should it still be brought up that he seems to have gender issues (wearing women's underwear, feminine behaviors, etc.)? Thoughts?--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:06, 22 April 2011 (PDT)

*We could definitely use a page - or at least a section on the Homos page - about his pseudo-transsexual characteristics. I personally believe that by the age of 35 Chris will decide to undergo gender reassignment, and will then be a horrifyingly ugly, insane, WOMAN child. Maybe expand the Tomgirl picture page into a whole page on "Chris the Tomgirl" (since he hasn't actually started taking hormones or anything)? [[User:Sashi|Sashi]] 13:06, 30 May 2011 (PST)
** That last part is more speculation than anything and I'm pretty sure everything is covered on both the Tomgirl and Homos pages. I'm not saying the page for Gender wouldn't be useless, just that it may be redundant. [[User:Nullity|Nullity]] 20:15, 30 May 2011 (PDT)

Susan Hannifan - Someone who works at PVCC, I think as a career counselor. Said to be in league with M.L.W. There are now 7 pages that mention her (she comes up again in Kacey Call 4.) If we find any more references to her, it might be worth it to make her a page. [[User:Sashi|Sashi]] 22:28, 4 June 2011 (PDT)

I sometimes read /cwc/ and PVCC and sometimes shocked how people seem to be clueless that they can edit stuff on here. I wonder if this is perhaps because they're not show how they can edit, or they're intimidated by the wiki format. I think what we need is a brief page to wiki editing. Pretty much covering the basics - how to edit an article, how to create one, how to link to other articles, how a template works, etc. You could easily borrow liberally from [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Tutorial|here]], but obviously condense it (it doesn't need to go into a huge amount of detail), obviously make it CWCKi and Chris specific (that is, use screenshots of the CWCki and maybe throw in examples from the CWCki itself). If someone can pull it off, they'll get a Gold Star Bounty, which is an actual userbox award you can get for accomplishing SPECIAL MISSIONS for the CWCki. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:35, 7 July 2011 (PDT)

There should be a "Chris and responsibility" Page. Because his avoidal of personal responsibility warrants its own article. --[[User:R3trogay|R3trogay]] 16:43, 27 January 2012 (PST)

==SEGA and Nintendo==
I don't like how these terms redirect to stuff that only touches the subjects slightly. Does anyone mind if I make pages for these two companies? [[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] 01:25, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*I mean, [[Sony]] has one. :3 [[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] 01:26, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*I agree. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 02:09, 19 May 2010 (UTC)
*No one has done this yet? Crazy. But do we have enough sources to document Chris's relationship with both game companies that isn't addressed in other articles? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:47, 7 July 2011 (PDT)
**Well a [[Nintendo]] page has been made, but there's still no [[SEGA]] article. It just redirects to [[Video games]]. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 08:54, 7 July 2011 (PDT)

==Chris and gender==
I am probably a ditz that this is covered somewhere, but I don't seem to see an article for it. I think given Chris's recent stuff involving him saying he's transgendered and going so far as to pierce his taint because he thinks that's where his clitoris would be if he was a woman, I think it's meriting discussing Chris's gender issues. This is a touchy subject and I know there's a propensity to dismiss it as being "fake" but I think that given this is a major recurrent thing for Chris, or at least it gives light to stuff in his past, that we discuss it. We've seen that Chris has always tended to prefer the company of women and to be feminine and encourage men to do likewise that this might be more than just a clever way to get girls. As such, I don't believe we need to make it a point to prove or disprove whether Chris is actually transgendered, but mostly to document his gender issues, namely going back through old videos and transcripts to see how much he's talked about this in the past. This is a major development and I think it needs to be addressed. I'd try and work out an outline for such an article but I'm not sure where to begin and unfortunately, it's been so long since I've really done hardcore editing on here. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 15:26, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Champthom

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Champthom: /* Context for Twin Falling Towers */

Talk:The GAMe PLACe

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Champthom: God, I haven't edited in so long

==To do==
*Chris's comments on his days at the Game Place
*why he got banned
*picture that was taken at Game Place

The Mimms & Lucas Q&A posts are on CWCki now, link there instead of linking the entire text of the posts in the Sauces.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

While it's good to acknowledge that the information came from the Q&A posts, it's crucial to post EXACTLY which post so 1) people do not have to read all the posts just to read one, 2) to see the context Lucas and Mimms were answering these questions and allow the reader to draw a conclusion based on their responses as they were originally presented.

Yes, the Q&A page needs some sub-headings to allow for direct citations so fix that and then start directly citing posts. Srsly guys, I expect a bit better. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

==Novices==

Does anyone else think that before going behind the counter the manager Micheal Schnider probably wanted to get rid of him due to his attitude towards the younger players there. Since he was complaining he got paired up with novices when he was a volunteer "gym leader", which back when there was a TCG league in my town the UK(6-8 years ago) I can remember it was part of "gym leaders" responsibilities to assist members of the TCG league and teach them the rules and such.

It would be bad for store if they had a slight figure of authority(Chris) there being a jerkass to the younger children who want to learn how to play the card game better. Knowing Chris he was probably battling the newcomers and rather than practice battles where you would guide them step by step on an equal level(e.g. In his position I would have an extra,weaker deck like a starter deck so I don't win regardless and not play to my best ability) he probably used his best deck and played all-out, discouraging newer players.([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 22:10, 18 March 2009 (CET))

:As he considers 8 year olds to be equal competition, I'd say that would be correct yes. Him going behind the counter was probably the straw that broke the camels back more than anything. But we'll see if they want him back or not.--[[User:UncleBastard|UncleBastard]] 22:18, 18 March 2009 (CET)
* That could be a factor, but I think the main reason they got rid of him was because he was acting as an employee. He thought he could get behind the counter and do shit, while he was actually just being used as a gym guy. Being an ass to kids isn't really a reason to ban people, but I do think you are right to some extent. I wouldn't want Chris having any power in my cardshop if I owned one...

- Besides that, the fact he took his mom to the store to question people must have really ticked michael off. He was also starting to use hard-core lines against Mimms, like "that's something you didn't know about this Chan before, right?" Game-shop employees are usually underpayed and quite sad, so I don't think they want to have to deal with autistic shit like this...[[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] 22:23, 18 March 2009 (CET)

== Arguing with kids ==

I'm really curious about this argument Chris had with these kids. The details are a little vague at the moment. [[User:Glorious Tentacularity|Glorious Tentacularity]] 10:00, 14 November 2009 (CET)
*I don't think it was one time, just a general pattern of Chris arguing. Anyone with a PVCC account, start posting the Q&As from that thread with Lucas and Mimms onto [[Lucas and Mimms Q&A|this page]]. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 15:07, 14 November 2009 (CET)

=="The Wii Incident==

Isn't it possible that this is just something we don't know about yet? It's nice to think we know it all, but it's possible that Mimms simply wasn't there when some shit went down. I think we should mark this as an assumption at best, until we can gat some concrete evidence from either Chris or the Jew that this is authentic. [[User:Thelieisacake|Thelieisacake]] 18:37, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

*the issue with asking Snyder is that he may not divulge that information, though I am kinda interested in knowing what the said incident was, [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] 17:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

==About the Owner==

Unless the owner is directly involved in one of Chris's antics, he got no place being here in this wiki. Any info about him (real or not) will be removed in the sake of clarity. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 16:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:It's rather ironic that Chris is accused of being a "child pornographer" in front of this game store that just so happens to be owned and operated by a registered sex offender. --[[User:Uhuru|Uhuru]] 17:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Prove it. Do you have a picture of the owner in the store fitting the one found in the police directory? [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 17:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Lightburn's work address and THE GAME PLACe are in the same location. He's right. --[[User:MaxTehManyula|MaxTehManyula]] 17:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::No shit :-P --[[User:Uhuru|Uhuru]] 17:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Okay. How this is directly related to Chris? [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 17:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not relevant at all, we don't give Megan's address, or the Wallflower's name for a reason, also he hasn't had anything to do with Chris,given that Shylock and Lucas/Mimms are the only one's who ve made Chris's videos, so it's totally irrelevant. Go start your own CWCikitruth if you want to bitch about it being otherwise-[[User:Kei|Kei]] 17:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, first of all, one could see this article as one big advertisement for The Game Place. Not saying it necessarily is, but I've seen many posts about people taking trips to c-ville in order to view the Chris-related sites. Also, not really a justification, Michael Snyder has implied that Chris was being a child molester and was trying to take pictures of kids. Kind of funny that his boss just happens to have been caught in a police sting where he tried to meet up with a 14 year old girl. I'm not necessarily saying that this needs to or should be here but I'm bored. Sue me. :-P --[[User:Uhuru|Uhuru]] 17:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
: This article doesn't frame things any diffrently than how we do with the other location ones: we wouldn't give a fuck if B-Manajerk IRL was a convicted felon; he has nothing to do with Chris that's worth noting, apart from having kicked him out. If it's stuff about others, whether Schroeder or Lightburn, it doesn't belong in this site, we aren't doing a Charlottesville wiki you know. Also maybe if you'd tried talking first we might have been more apt to listen to you.-[[User:Kei|Kei]] 18:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
*In the same vein as Griffintown, [[CWCki:NOTED|We're not ED]] or for that matter, /cwc/. We don't give a shit if The GAMe PLACe's owner is a kiddie piddler, it has no relevance to the article. We're focused on Chris, not the antics of others. Also, sins of the father shall not be passed onto the son, etc. We don't approve of that shit here but it's not really our place to call it out unless Chris is involved. It's like adding all the shit [[George W. Bush]] has done (cocaine use, etc.) to his article when it's absolutely pointless. Leave that shit for /cwc/.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Take a chill pill guise. It isn't that big of a deal. If you guys are gonna make a big fuss I guess I'll just go back to vandalizing userpages. Like I said, I'm bored right now. Would anyone want to join my DDO party? --[[User:Meenween|Meenween]] 18:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that one guy keeps making new accounts to add that shit to the article. Can we please lock it until he goes away? --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' 23:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please do. I'm sick of reverting his edits.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 01:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Lock this page ==

I don't understand why this hasn't been already done. Seriously, the recent changes page is spammed with trying to undo all the vandalism. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 15:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==So anyway==
Now that the GAMe PLACe has become relevant again and Chris had built a conspiracy theory around it being the trolling hub and a ploy for the owner to molest children, I'm thinking this article needs an overhaul. Anyone else want to do it, or should I? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 03:39, 10 August 2011 (PDT)
*I agree, it needs to be put in here some how that Chris believes some pretty awful things about his ol' favorite store. It should also probably be mentioned that if the Ban was lifted, he'd probably still go back there... I'd do it, but I have no idea how we should go about adding this tidbit of information. Do we just want to add another section? Or just try to shove this bit in some where?? --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 10:21, 22 August 2011 (PDT)

==Flyers==
Looking at the February Facebook leaks, it would appear that Chris has taken a 10% off coupon for the game place, added messages to it encouraging people to avoid the store, made several copies and is distributing them at his usual hangouts...Should something about this be added to the article? There's a post by chris about it as well as an image of the edited flyer here: http://sonichu.com/w/images/3/34/Chfb3.png For that matter, should the game place be informed? (I'm not sure if we really want chris to get put in jail here since it'd stop the comedic output)
Pretty insane that he's still doing shit like this when he has an outstanding court case for his actions against them.--[[User:IThrewTheFrisbee|IThrewTheFrisbee]] 17:20, 29 February 2012 (PST)

==Name Change==
The article says that the store's "currently named Cville's Hobbies, Games, and Toys."

Any indication that this is because of its online association with Chris as The GAMe PLACe, which would be lulzy as hell?
--[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 20:43, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Pretty unlikely. The name change came when Mike bought the place from the pedofork guy. And I suppose the new name shows that it doesn't just sell video games. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 09:02, 7 January 2014 (PST)

== 16 Jan 2004 Pokémon TCG flyer ==

Someone on the forums [http://cwckiforums.com/threads/sonichu-drawing-for-sale.3785/page-126#post-245253 turned up] a 16 Jan 2004 [http://pastebin.com/bGBtD7yz email] of a proposed Pokémon TCG flyer from Chris, sent from Bob's IAMMRC@aol.com address to a John Crowl (or Crowll, not sure). I'm not sure if it is important enough to add to this article, but I extracted the attached file, uploaded a PNG of it, and [http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/User:CWCTime/16Jan2004Email archived the email on my user page] for posterity. -[[User:CWCTime|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime|talk]]) 15:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
:No shit is too minor. Presuming that this email is authentic, it's content should be copied to [[Chris emails 2004-2006]]. While the authenticity of several Chris related pastebins have come under suspicion on this wiki, I don't see a reason to be suspicious of this one. As far as I gather, the email address that Chris uses in this paste bin hasn't been known to the CWC community until Chris posted it on Facebook a couple of days ago, so a forger shouldn't have known it. Likewise, the email in question is fairly innocuous; I find it hard to think of a reason for forging something like this.

:I'd like to know if there are any objections to having the CWCki regard this email as authentic. If not, it should be added to the list of Chris's emails and a brief mention of it should be made on this article. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 18:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

::The pastebin was put up anonymously on 4 Feb 2012, so someone had to have known about the email on that day or earlier but apparently kept it very quiet. Are leaked emails typically verified? -[[User:CWCTime|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime|talk]]) 20:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

:::There's isn't any official CWCki policy regarding how to verify the authencity of a leaked email. As I see it, the rule of thumb here is that if the leaked email was revealed to the public by a person which the CWCki regards as reliable (i.e Champthom, Alec or Marvin) than it's considered legit. While the email wasn't leaked by someone that is considered to be a reputable source, as I said before it's hard for me to see it as a forgery. Therefore, I think it should be treated as genuine on the CWCki, but I'd like to see if there are any objections before taking further steps. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 20:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

::::I prefer that information be vetted by someone in the know, like [[User:canine|canine]] or myself. I'm not familiar with this e-mail. It's entirely possible it's real, I don't really see the huge benefit of making up something that's pretty trivial when it comes to Chris. My only issue is that there are people who enjoy making up fake Chris content to screw around with people, I know I've seen people claim they've made up stuff on the CWCki and that it's still there but wouldn't reveal what it was. It could very well be real, again I doubt someone would make something that insignificant up, but I personally prefer err on the side of reason. If you insist on having the e-mail, I would have a disclaimer saying that it's a supposed e-mail and that people can judge for themselves if it's authentic or not until we can actually can do so but personally I would prefer to not have it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 00:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

::::Not objecting to it and I find it genuine, but can't find the posts. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::If you're referring to the CWCki forums posts and the pastbin, the links are in the first edit of this comment thread. If you're want see confirmation from Chris that this is indeed an email address of his, see [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666975556730260&set=a.278642068896946.64983.100002534669114&type=1 here]. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 20:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Talk:The GAMe PLACe

2014-06-18T00:38:57Z

Champthom: /* 16 Jan 2004 Pokémon TCG flyer */

==To do==
*Chris's comments on his days at the Game Place
*why he got banned
*picture that was taken at Game Place

The Mimms & Lucas Q&A posts are on CWCki now, link there instead of linking the entire text of the posts in the Sauces.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:20, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

While it's good to acknowledge that the information came from the Q&A posts, it's crucial to post EXACTLY which post so 1) people do not have to read all the posts just to read one, 2) to see the context Lucas and Mimms were answering these questions and allow the reader to draw a conclusion based on their responses as they were originally presented.

Yes, the Q&A page needs some sub-headings to allow for direct citations so fix that and then start directly citing posts. Srsly guys, I expect a bit better. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:20, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

==Novices==

Does anyone else think that before going behind the counter the manager Micheal Schnider probably wanted to get rid of him due to his attitude towards the younger players there. Since he was complaining he got paired up with novices when he was a volunteer "gym leader", which back when there was a TCG league in my town the UK(6-8 years ago) I can remember it was part of "gym leaders" responsibilities to assist members of the TCG league and teach them the rules and such.

It would be bad for store if they had a slight figure of authority(Chris) there being a jerkass to the younger children who want to learn how to play the card game better. Knowing Chris he was probably battling the newcomers and rather than practice battles where you would guide them step by step on an equal level(e.g. In his position I would have an extra,weaker deck like a starter deck so I don't win regardless and not play to my best ability) he probably used his best deck and played all-out, discouraging newer players.([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 22:10, 18 March 2009 (CET))

:As he considers 8 year olds to be equal competition, I'd say that would be correct yes. Him going behind the counter was probably the straw that broke the camels back more than anything. But we'll see if they want him back or not.--[[User:UncleBastard|UncleBastard]] 22:18, 18 March 2009 (CET)
* That could be a factor, but I think the main reason they got rid of him was because he was acting as an employee. He thought he could get behind the counter and do shit, while he was actually just being used as a gym guy. Being an ass to kids isn't really a reason to ban people, but I do think you are right to some extent. I wouldn't want Chris having any power in my cardshop if I owned one...

- Besides that, the fact he took his mom to the store to question people must have really ticked michael off. He was also starting to use hard-core lines against Mimms, like "that's something you didn't know about this Chan before, right?" Game-shop employees are usually underpayed and quite sad, so I don't think they want to have to deal with autistic shit like this...[[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] 22:23, 18 March 2009 (CET)

== Arguing with kids ==

I'm really curious about this argument Chris had with these kids. The details are a little vague at the moment. [[User:Glorious Tentacularity|Glorious Tentacularity]] 10:00, 14 November 2009 (CET)
*I don't think it was one time, just a general pattern of Chris arguing. Anyone with a PVCC account, start posting the Q&As from that thread with Lucas and Mimms onto [[Lucas and Mimms Q&A|this page]]. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 15:07, 14 November 2009 (CET)

=="The Wii Incident==

Isn't it possible that this is just something we don't know about yet? It's nice to think we know it all, but it's possible that Mimms simply wasn't there when some shit went down. I think we should mark this as an assumption at best, until we can gat some concrete evidence from either Chris or the Jew that this is authentic. [[User:Thelieisacake|Thelieisacake]] 18:37, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

*the issue with asking Snyder is that he may not divulge that information, though I am kinda interested in knowing what the said incident was, [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] 17:17, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

==About the Owner==

Unless the owner is directly involved in one of Chris's antics, he got no place being here in this wiki. Any info about him (real or not) will be removed in the sake of clarity. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 16:58, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:It's rather ironic that Chris is accused of being a "child pornographer" in front of this game store that just so happens to be owned and operated by a registered sex offender. --[[User:Uhuru|Uhuru]] 17:03, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:: Prove it. Do you have a picture of the owner in the store fitting the one found in the police directory? [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 17:13, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:::Lightburn's work address and THE GAME PLACe are in the same location. He's right. --[[User:MaxTehManyula|MaxTehManyula]] 17:20, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::No shit :-P --[[User:Uhuru|Uhuru]] 17:23, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::: Okay. How this is directly related to Chris? [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 17:26, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
::::It's not relevant at all, we don't give Megan's address, or the Wallflower's name for a reason, also he hasn't had anything to do with Chris,given that Shylock and Lucas/Mimms are the only one's who ve made Chris's videos, so it's totally irrelevant. Go start your own CWCikitruth if you want to bitch about it being otherwise-[[User:Kei|Kei]] 17:31, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::Well, first of all, one could see this article as one big advertisement for The Game Place. Not saying it necessarily is, but I've seen many posts about people taking trips to c-ville in order to view the Chris-related sites. Also, not really a justification, Michael Snyder has implied that Chris was being a child molester and was trying to take pictures of kids. Kind of funny that his boss just happens to have been caught in a police sting where he tried to meet up with a 14 year old girl. I'm not necessarily saying that this needs to or should be here but I'm bored. Sue me. :-P --[[User:Uhuru|Uhuru]] 17:44, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
: This article doesn't frame things any diffrently than how we do with the other location ones: we wouldn't give a fuck if B-Manajerk IRL was a convicted felon; he has nothing to do with Chris that's worth noting, apart from having kicked him out. If it's stuff about others, whether Schroeder or Lightburn, it doesn't belong in this site, we aren't doing a Charlottesville wiki you know. Also maybe if you'd tried talking first we might have been more apt to listen to you.-[[User:Kei|Kei]] 18:00, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
*In the same vein as Griffintown, [[CWCki:NOTED|We're not ED]] or for that matter, /cwc/. We don't give a shit if The GAMe PLACe's owner is a kiddie piddler, it has no relevance to the article. We're focused on Chris, not the antics of others. Also, sins of the father shall not be passed onto the son, etc. We don't approve of that shit here but it's not really our place to call it out unless Chris is involved. It's like adding all the shit [[George W. Bush]] has done (cocaine use, etc.) to his article when it's absolutely pointless. Leave that shit for /cwc/.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:35, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Take a chill pill guise. It isn't that big of a deal. If you guys are gonna make a big fuss I guess I'll just go back to vandalizing userpages. Like I said, I'm bored right now. Would anyone want to join my DDO party? --[[User:Meenween|Meenween]] 18:50, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay, that one guy keeps making new accounts to add that shit to the article. Can we please lock it until he goes away? --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' 23:10, 8 July 2010 (UTC)
:Please do. I'm sick of reverting his edits.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 01:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

== Lock this page ==

I don't understand why this hasn't been already done. Seriously, the recent changes page is spammed with trying to undo all the vandalism. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 15:55, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

==So anyway==
Now that the GAMe PLACe has become relevant again and Chris had built a conspiracy theory around it being the trolling hub and a ploy for the owner to molest children, I'm thinking this article needs an overhaul. Anyone else want to do it, or should I? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 03:39, 10 August 2011 (PDT)
*I agree, it needs to be put in here some how that Chris believes some pretty awful things about his ol' favorite store. It should also probably be mentioned that if the Ban was lifted, he'd probably still go back there... I'd do it, but I have no idea how we should go about adding this tidbit of information. Do we just want to add another section? Or just try to shove this bit in some where?? --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 10:21, 22 August 2011 (PDT)

==Flyers==
Looking at the February Facebook leaks, it would appear that Chris has taken a 10% off coupon for the game place, added messages to it encouraging people to avoid the store, made several copies and is distributing them at his usual hangouts...Should something about this be added to the article? There's a post by chris about it as well as an image of the edited flyer here: http://sonichu.com/w/images/3/34/Chfb3.png For that matter, should the game place be informed? (I'm not sure if we really want chris to get put in jail here since it'd stop the comedic output)
Pretty insane that he's still doing shit like this when he has an outstanding court case for his actions against them.--[[User:IThrewTheFrisbee|IThrewTheFrisbee]] 17:20, 29 February 2012 (PST)

==Name Change==
The article says that the store's "currently named Cville's Hobbies, Games, and Toys."

Any indication that this is because of its online association with Chris as The GAMe PLACe, which would be lulzy as hell?
--[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 20:43, 6 January 2014 (PST)

Pretty unlikely. The name change came when Mike bought the place from the pedofork guy. And I suppose the new name shows that it doesn't just sell video games. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 09:02, 7 January 2014 (PST)

== 16 Jan 2004 Pokémon TCG flyer ==

Someone on the forums [http://cwckiforums.com/threads/sonichu-drawing-for-sale.3785/page-126#post-245253 turned up] a 16 Jan 2004 [http://pastebin.com/bGBtD7yz email] of a proposed Pokémon TCG flyer from Chris, sent from Bob's IAMMRC@aol.com address to a John Crowl (or Crowll, not sure). I'm not sure if it is important enough to add to this article, but I extracted the attached file, uploaded a PNG of it, and [http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/User:CWCTime/16Jan2004Email archived the email on my user page] for posterity. -[[User:CWCTime|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime|talk]]) 15:56, 9 June 2014 (UTC)
:No shit is too minor. Presuming that this email is authentic, it's content should be copied to [[Chris emails 2004-2006]]. While the authenticity of several Chris related pastebins have come under suspicion on this wiki, I don't see a reason to be suspicious of this one. As far as I gather, the email address that Chris uses in this paste bin hasn't been known to the CWC community until Chris posted it on Facebook a couple of days ago, so a forger shouldn't have known it. Likewise, the email in question is fairly innocuous; I find it hard to think of a reason for forging something like this.

:I'd like to know if there are any objections to having the CWCki regard this email as authentic. If not, it should be added to the list of Chris's emails and a brief mention of it should be made on this article. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 18:30, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

::The pastebin was put up anonymously on 4 Feb 2012, so someone had to have known about the email on that day or earlier but apparently kept it very quiet. Are leaked emails typically verified? -[[User:CWCTime|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime|talk]]) 20:15, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

:::There's isn't any official CWCki policy regarding how to verify the authencity of a leaked email. As I see it, the rule of thumb here is that if the leaked email was revealed to the public by a person which the CWCki regards as reliable (i.e Champthom, Alec or Marvin) than it's considered legit. While the email wasn't leaked by someone that is considered to be a reputable source, as I said before it's hard for me to see it as a forgery. Therefore, I think it should be treated as genuine on the CWCki, but I'd like to see if there are any objections before taking further steps. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 20:28, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

::::I prefer that information be vetted by someone in the know, like [[canine|User:canine]] or myself. I'm not familiar with this e-mail. It's entirely possible it's real, I don't really see the huge benefit of making up something that's pretty trivial when it comes to Chris. My only issue is that there are people who enjoy making up fake Chris content to screw around with people, I know I've seen people claim they've made up stuff on the CWCki and that it's still there but wouldn't reveal what it was. It could very well be real, again I doubt someone would make something that insignificant up, but I personally prefer err on the side of reason. If you insist on having the e-mail, I would have a disclaimer saying that it's a supposed e-mail and that people can judge for themselves if it's authentic or not until we can actually can do so but personally I would prefer to not have it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 00:38, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

::::Not objecting to it and I find it genuine, but can't find the posts. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
:::::If you're referring to the CWCki forums posts and the pastbin, the links are in the first edit of this comment thread. If you're want see confirmation from Chris that this is indeed an email address of his, see [https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=666975556730260&set=a.278642068896946.64983.100002534669114&type=1 here]. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 20:10, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Champthom

2014-05-11T10:05:10Z

Champthom: /* Grace Baptist Church */

Talk:Barbara Chandler

2014-05-07T14:23:17Z

Champthom: /* Cole's father and the spaghetti incident */ new section

Despite her being a slutty slutty slut whore earlier in her life, I truely feel sorry for barbera, she didnt deserve chris, or that squaler of her house. -[[User:CJB8895|Cody]]
* She didn't have to have a kid with Bob, she had Cole, and Bob had his kids. Though it probably wasn't documented in the early 80s, the fact that both of them were over 40 when Chris was born made the likelihood of him being born autistic higher. Plus, as mentioned everywhere else, Chris wasn't ''born'' Chris. Someone ''made'' him that way in those formative years. [[User:Isarko|Isarko]] 06:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I feel like somewhere in this page it should be mentioned how her voice is identical to Chris'. In one prank call video I couldn't tell it was her until she referred to Bob as her husband. [[User:Sallyfox|Sallyfox]] 06:09, 25 December 2009 (CET)

GodJesus damn. Now I can easily see the effects of keeping around a 28 year old autistic manchild for so long. She looked a LOT better (and a lot less like Snorlax) in [[:File:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|this image]]. [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000]] 01:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:It may be simply that she, like anyone who would have to put up with somebody like chris, just gave up on life. The picture with Desi pretty much says it all.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 07:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

== Death of Barb's father ==

I'd like to point out [[http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html here]] is an obituary of Barb's father. Apparently, he died when she was 14. I think this info should be incorporated into the article somehow, but I'm not sure where to put it. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 18:20, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
*I could take a stab at it. --[[User:MissMeg|Miss Meg]] 18:26, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
*Ouch. What a way to go. I'd say find more information on Barb's background and make a new section, but until then, it would be best to keep this recorded for later use. [[User:LAG4U|LAG4U]] 20:44, 25 September 2011 (PDT)

== CWCipedia Ad ==
Yeah. You know we need this in there. As well as the image and a space set aside for the reaction that she and Chris will inevitably give. Remember how he reacted when Megan in the original picture was mistaken as Crystal? Well this will induce 10 times the ammount of tard rage. ''From both of them''. Now thats something i'm going to want to see. Who else here wants to see Barbara do a youtube rant? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 20:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think you might be jumping the gun. Barbra's nowhere near as dumb or volatile as Chris, I doubt you'll see her on camera anytime soon.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 22:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
*I can dream dammit! --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
* Chris's reaction to the new ad was an absolute letdown. All he said was to tell us to complain to Mao about the ad and he never even mentioned what kind of ad it was. I had to scroll through '''multiple''' pages, dodging that nasty ass picture just to find it. Thanks a lot for scarring us, whoever the fuck made that. --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 23:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
*I think that'll be Mao. Personally I think that its not much more disturbing than CWC's Rule 34 of Mary Lee Walsh. I'm more disturbed by the fact that after he tard raged so hard over the original shecameforCWC being mistaken for Crystal that hes all cool and calm about a huge detailed rendering of him doing the same thing to his elderly mother. And bear in mind that his mother is real, unlike Crystal. I think that says volumes about Chris. And his mother can't be too happy once she finds out, can she? Somehow I don't think he'll ever tell her though. Someone should call the Chandlers and inform them that porn of Barbara has surfaced on Chris's site. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 00:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
* Just wait him out. Speculation is that he might have not noticed the ad--he might have been holding up paper in front of the screen and isn't aware that the ad has changed. He spent 17 minutes making changes to templates, and then quit, which makes me think that he finally saw the image. Also, his last edit was changing a mailbag template--which gives me the feeling that he was about to answer one when he saw the ad. Or he might not have realized that it's supposed to be Snorlax.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 03:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
*If he hasn't seen it yet (which is likely given his reaction so far) then I think that we'll be hearing all about this in his next few videos. And for years and years Chris will tell girls that he meets in the mall all about it, and oh the laughs that will be produced. I still think that we can expect some sort of reaction out of Barbara too. If he tells her. He might, given his policy on honesty. However his honesty also dictates that he'll lie about things to keep his parents happy. But mostly only if it benefits him. If he stands to lose from telling his parents then he won't tell them. So I think someone should call the Chandlers and tell them. Break it gently though, lest the lumberjack have another heart attack. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 18:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

== Source is broken. ==

In the citations, the sixth one, a PVCC thread, is not public information. --[[User:16BitAlex|16BitAlex]] 20:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

==Is this verifiable?==
I am not adding this yet because it's a pretty huge deal and I want to be 100% on it first. There's a user here-- I wish I could remember who-- whose userpage is full of various observations from people on /cwc/, #sonichu, PVCC etc. One of the posts from PVCC is the note that Chris sometimes sleeps (slept) with his mother. Not having sex. Obviously not. But apparently they'd watch movies together sitting on his bed, and then he'd sort of curl up next to her and fall asleep, with her asleep holding him. At first I couldn't believe it, but this is Chris. And if this is true it absolutely belongs on the page. It's pretty clear he has a strong Oedipal fixation on her (part of being stuck in a childlike state of development) and this makes sense.
I'll go hunt for the quote. In the meantime, can anyone corroborate this? It seems almost a bridge too far even for our manchild. [[User:Sygerrik|Sygerrik]] 10:17, 25 August 2010 (PDT)

:BAM found it. Here we go: "This is something I just learned from Ivy, and this corresponds with what a field agent has confirmed about Chris has seen with Chris getting 'touchy' around Snorlax when Bob isn't looking. It's - Chris likes to sleep with his mother. According to Ivy, what Snorlax will do is come into Chris's room, the two will watch movies and lay down on the bed as Chris holds her, then they both fall asleep. In his bed.They use to do it downstairs on the couch but Bob started bitching about it, telling Chris to grow up and such. Yes, this is very shocking and hard to believe. But considering the prevailing opinion is that Chris wants a mommy he can fuck, this adds a new level to this analysis. [. . .] I mean, Snorlax and Bob don't even sleep in the same room anymore, they've been married for some time and there's usually a point where a marriage becomes more of a friendship, and both Chris and Barb are both human in that they need some intimate contact and affection. But the thing is, while this is normal of small children to want to cuddle with their mothers, it's not fucking normal for 27 year olds to do this. And I think there's actually a period in childhood development (normal one, anyway) where a child learns that they can't have mommy all to themselves but they have to share her with daddy. Looks like Chris never really reached that realization. Freud would have a fucking field day with Chris. Seriously though, I imagine one day we will get Chris confirming this, as he makes a video saying 'Yes, I do sleep with my mother, but what child does not sleep their mothers at some point in their lives?'"
Apparently via Champthom. Champ, can you confirm? Did you say that/is it true? [[User:Sygerrik|Sygerrik]] 10:22, 25 August 2010 (PDT)
*You know, for some reason this fails to surprise me; It's only natural to expect this kinda behavior from Chris and Snorlax, though it is a bit more stimulating now we have an actual account for it. Awesome find. --[[User:EdtheHedgehog1894|EdtheHedgehog1894]] 13:29, 25 August 2010 (EST)
*See [[CWCki:PUBLICMEDIA]]. While my source is reliable, my source won't make this statement public and this is otherwise heresay which isn't a very firm evidence. While this is significant, I'd rather see this verified in some public fashion. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:36, 7 September 2010 (PDT)
:Just found this on YouTube, from a link on the article. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGU4nSlX0M Keep it in or remove it?--[[User:Henry Bemis|Henry Bemis]] 23:35, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

== You are now aware ==

[[image:youarenowaware.jpg|800px]]
[[User:CFA|CFA]] 21:09, 7 April 2011 (PDT)CFA
*slowpoke.jpg--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:12, 7 April 2011 (PDT)

== Barb: The root of the problem? ==

I was reading over the Ivy Q&A thing, and apparently the first time Ivy called the Chandlers, Barb was at the phone asking her personal questions. I was thinking, maybe it's not Chris with the horribly high standards, but Barbara? I could totally see Barb enforcing high standards on Chris, not allowing him to date men or women of races other than his own, maybe she even told Chris to put down the single mom on Facebook. This is just a theory, but might anyone know whether or not there's any truth to it?
-- [[User:IcyHotWings|IcyHotWings]] --
* All I know is that this is not a forum.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 20:08, 6 July 2011 (PDT)

== Separation ==

Do we have evidence that Barb and/or Bob had any desire to divorce/separate? The article section about her marriage to Bob suggests that his parents wanted to divorce but chose not to for Chris's sake. Source? Yes I get that we get the impression that Bob and Barb liked to spend time in separate rooms of their house, but so do many couples in "healthy" marriages, particularly if one, the other or both are considered to be elderly. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 23:57, 20 September 2011 (PDT)
: As far as anyone can tell they were just fossils. Neither would have a sex drive and they'd basically just be living with each other. If you were either one wouldn't you get the shits with the mannerisms of the other after almost 30 years raising Chris together? Supposedly they used to go out drinking but in their decaying state that wouldn't be an option, biologically or financially. If they divorced someone would give up pension/rent money and the house. If it was a marriage of convenience, fine. It would feel like stomping on Barb's grave to speculate on that kind of thing without evidence. [[User:Nullity|Nullity]] 02:00, 21 September 2011 (PDT)
::I ask specifically about whether they, or Barb herself, have ever said or directly implied that they would have separated/divorced if it were not for Chris - because currently the article implies this and lacks a source. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 17:49, 21 September 2011 (PDT)
::: To answer your question: No, there is not any evidence that Barb or Bob said they wanted to divorce each other. Barb threatened to kill herself, but that was over Chris, not Bob. Hopes that helps --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 19:53, 21 September 2011 (PDT)

== Cole's father and the spaghetti incident ==

Wasn't there some e-mail or something where Chris talks about how Barb was escaping some psychotic murderer and she slept with a random stranger who saved her and that's Cole's father? Likewise, we say something about the spaghetti incident, where Barb stopped cooking because she made spaghetti one night and Chris and Bob didn't feel like eating spaghetti. I can't recall the source for either of these though.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Talk:Chris and depression

2014-03-20T07:08:07Z

Champthom:

I hate to bum the new user who started this article but I say we delete this. It feels too A-loggy, plus we already have a Chris and Psychology article, and second I'm pretty much against users speculating about Chris's mental state. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 22:43, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
* I was about to say, we do have that Chris and psychology article, it can easily go there. Though I don't think we have too much concrete about Chris actually being depressed. Maybe in a very colloquial sense but not in a clinical sense. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 07:08, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
I didn't just sit there and write an article bashing him; at the least I listed multiple reasons for why he would be that way, a quote of him being depressed, and the two bottom parts are just a filler. I didn't create it to bash, I just didn't really notice an article going over it, and the closest to it being would be [[stress]]. I wasn't really going to write a giant article on the spot. And speculation? It's pretty much spot on. --[[User:Toggletogs|Toggletogs]] ([[User talk:Toggletogs|talk]]) 06:34, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

I leave it as an article for deletion for now. If you want to make an article as a filler try making the article in your user space, such as [[User:Toggletogs/Chris and depression]]. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

User talk:Alan Pardew

2014-03-20T07:06:25Z

Champthom:

Good work on the A-Log page. Keep it up. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 10:00, 11 September 2012 (PDT)

Thanks. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 03:41, 16 September 2012 (PDT)

== "Quote of the Now" ==

You don't know who I am, but I know where you browse, and if you edit that wiki template again, so help me--HOLY SHIT I GOTTA GO! SOME SQUIRREL'S FUCKING MY TOMATOES! [[User:Mr. 0|Mr. 0]] 12:53, 25 January 2013 (PST)

== For Pete's sake ==

You have potential to be a very good wiki user, maybe even a mod or an admin, but for Pete's sake, wikify the Quote of the Now, add links to other pages. I cry at night when the QotN doesn't have wiki links.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:02, 9 September 2013 (PDT)
*Not to totally discourage you, I admire your dedication and your effort as to be honest, I'm not always up to the task of editing stuff on here. But you could use some work, look at it as an area of opportunity.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:16, 9 September 2013 (PDT)
**Thanks, I'll remember that. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 00:02, 10 September 2013 (PDT)

== For Julie's Eyes Only ==

[[For Julie's Eyes Only]] video links don't work. Can someone reupload it? We, TRUE and HONEST Chris's fans, want JULAAAAY back! [[User:Gunter|Gunter]] 08:40, 2 January 2014 (PST)

: So far, there isn't a reupload yet, but I'll try my best to find a full video of it. Found an audio one though. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 09:38, 2 January 2014 (PST)

:: Disregard that, it's removed. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 09:40, 2 January 2014 (PST)
::: I can't find it, the video is baleeted both from SlutLoad and Efukt. Curiously enough, it's hard to find it although it is one of the greatest moments of Chris's Internet Сareer. [[User:Gunter|Gunter]] 09:53, 2 January 2014 (PST)

== IP ==

What are the odds that the guy who single-handedly wrote the William Elliot Waterman is the man himself? --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 19:59, 3 January 2014 (PST)

: Don't know. Wait and see. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 00:06, 4 January 2014 (PST)

== Captcha ==

Can I please be exempt from captcha when creating new pages? I think it's been established by now that I'm not a bot or a spammer. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 13:23, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

* I think only admins/jerkops can be exempt, but let me see what I can do. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 13:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

==Welcome template==
You know that the welcome templates is an actual template, right? It's [[Template:Welcome|here]]. Why reinvent the wheel? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 07:06, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Template:Quote of the now

2014-03-19T07:32:05Z

Champthom: An explanatory wikipedia link doesn't hurt every now and then. Could use more wikilinks. Also try not to be too wordy with the details, I fixed it. Format should be along the lines of Chris (or the source), Source, Date.

{{quote|I just had a [[dreams|dream]], which included playing a worded version of [[wikipedia:Yahtzee|Yahtzee]]. There was a predetermined crossword pattern on cardboard pieces and a set list of words. And the seven dice had letters and asterisks for blank squares instead of dots for numbers. You roll the dice and match the letters out of them in a word, and you match them up in that cross word. After completing one word, then when you complete another that intercepts the first, that's when you yell "Yahtzee!"

I have played Yahtzee Original before, with the numbered dice; all Sixes equal Yahtzee!, so I have the general understanding of the old game. |[[Chris]], [[January_2014_Facebook_Posts#Yahtzee_Dream|Facebook]], 24 [[January 2014]].}}
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{{Usage|1= This template sits pride of place on the CWCki [[Main Page]]. It consists simply of a recent or topical quote from [[Chris]], or in rare cases non-Chris people. When editing the quote, ensure it is as accurate as possible, the exact source is referenced, and use links appropriately. '''Be sure to cite where this quote comes from, include a link if applicable.''' Also, this is a wiki - please wikify (i.e. add links to other articles) when possible. Finally, don't add commentary to citation part - let Chris's words do the talking.}}[[Category:Front page templates]]</noinclude>

Template:Quote of the now

2014-02-19T14:48:32Z

Champthom: Adjusting the format of the attribution so it's a bit clearer.

{{quote|[[BlueSpike|JULAAAAAAY!!!! JULAAAAAAY!!!!]] |Chris while humping a [[Kimmi|sex doll]], "[[For Julie's Eyes Only]]," 20 [[February 2009]].}}
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{{Usage|1= This template sits pride of place on the CWCki [[Main Page]]. It consists simply of a recent or topical quote from [[Chris]], or in rare cases non-Chris people. When editing the quote, ensure it is as accurate as possible, the exact source is referenced, and use links appropriately. '''Be sure to cite where this quote comes from, include a link if applicable.''' Also, this is a wiki - please wikify (i.e. add links to other articles) when possible. Finally, don't add commentary to citation part - let Chris's words do the talking.}}[[Category:Front page templates]]</noinclude>

Talk:Chris in the media

2014-02-17T13:43:45Z

Champthom:

==To do==
You know how some of you folks wanted articles just about the radio appearance by Chris? Well congratulations, you have this page.

Ideally, this page serves to document all the appearances made by Chris in the media, ideally focusing on traditional media (TV, newspapers, radio, etc.). We could throw in the high profile sites like Fark, The Atlantic, etc. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 15:04, 17 October 2009 (CEST)

Seriously, put media appearances here. I don't want to see articles like "Chris on the Radio" because then we'd need "Chris on TV," "Chris on the Blogosphere," "Chris in newspapers," "Chris in the middle of the street screaming," which defeats the purpose of this article. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:53, 23 October 2009 (CEST)

== Internets section ==

I swear to GodBearJesus, I will personally find whoever adds troll-related material to the Internets section and cut off their [[duck]] or sew up their [[china]]. [[User:KarryLing|KarryLing]] 23:06, 24 August 2010 (PDT)

-I'm probably just being biased, but is the Atop the Fourth Wall reference really needed? I don't really know if that's high profile enough to merit a mentioning. [[User:Admiral Klank|Admiral Klank]] 21:16, 27 October 2010 (PDT)
:Hey! Linkara is even more internet famous than Chris. Also, HE IS A MAN! *punch* --[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 21:20, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

==Notability blogs==
This is my wikifag in me coming out, but can someone establish the notability of some of the sites mentioned in the Internet media section? Obviously Fark is high profile, Harry Partridge definitely, but how about this Linkara fellow? Or Heavy.com? Or SpliceToday? I ask because I don't want people getting the idea that any time some YouTube ranter mentions Chris, it deserves a mention. Are these sources notable in any substantive way? Maybe someone who's familiar with these sites could chime in.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:11, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
*Linkara is the creator of Atop The Fourth Wall, a web show reviewing bad comic books. It's one of the most popular series on That Guy With the Glasses.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 20:34, 26 September 2011 (PDT)
*While I don't know much about this Linkara guy, the wikipedia article on That Guy with the Glasses has a [[wikipedia:That Guy with the Glasses#Atop the Fourth Wall|section]] about Atop The Fourth Wall. As well as that an entry on Linkara also exists on wikipedia but not as an article of it's own but as a redirect to That Guy with the Glasses. I think that makes him notable enough to have his comments about Sonichu incorporated in this article. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 12:38, 27 September 2011 (PDT)

== Sonichu ==

Heh, would Sonichu be notable enough for its own Wikipedia article? [[User:Barry|Barry]] 15:52, 27 September 2011 (PDT)

== Chris and the Media ==

Is that a possibility for helping to flesh this page out?

Just my own suggestion.[[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 23:25, 27 September 2011 (PDT). we gotta add Failosophy to this list, including the reactions of the hosts. Anyone know how to embed a non-YouTube vid--[[User:CaseHa|CaseHa]] 17:56, 15 March 2013 (PDT)

== Dead link ==

During several automated bot runs the following external link was found to be unavailable. Please check if the link is in fact down and fix or remove it in that case!

* http://www.wbcn.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=3705145
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--[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 01:01, 28 September 2011 (PDT)

== I am better than your kids. ==

I saw one of Chris's drawings on a website. Should it go under this or the drawing itself?
:A) Learn to sign your posts. You just need to put four Tildas (~) at the end of it. B) If I'm not mistaken the ''I Am Better than Your Kids'' website is written by Maddox, same guy who does ''The Best Page in the Universe''. Since he's important enough to have a [[wikipedia:Maddox (writer)|wikipedia article]] I'm guessing that him discussing Chris on one of his website is significant enough to warrant a mention of it in this article. [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 10:05, 19 May 2012 (PDT)

== Chris was mentioned in Trollsnews ==

[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHxiQVwMboI&feature=g-all-u The latest episode of Trollsnews] reported on Chris's trial. Is this notable enough for inclusion? [[User:Grandma Nazi|Grandma Nazi]] 14:57, 28 July 2012 (PDT)

== Hardcore Kid ==

Is Hardcore Kid really worth mentioned there and notable? As far as I know, he only got an ED page and unlike Linkara who is part of TGWTG, he's only in Reviewers Unknown. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 05:54, 11 January 2014 (PST)
*Who says it has to be notable? Isn't the motto of this wiki "no shit is too minor"? Freaking Cvillepedia is notable enough for this list; what gives them a free pass but not a video reviewer whose show is 5+ years old? [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] ([[User talk:Apostrophe|talk]]) 13:47, 16 February 2014 (UTC)
:*I sometimes regret adopting the motto "No shit is too minor." To me, it means that we shouldn't overlook the little things, not that we have to document every single time someone makes a statement about Chris.
::Is this Hardcore Kid mentioned and linked by major new sources, blogs, etc.? That would be my test of whether he should be on the page or not. I haven't looked at this page in ages, I'm not crazy about Cvillepedia as anyone can make a wiki page for Chris on a given wiki. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 13:43, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

CWCki:News

2013-12-25T10:20:32Z

Champthom: /* The CWCki Christmas Message */ new section

__NEWSECTIONLINK__
{{Community Portal}}

This page is for discussion of da latest CWCki-related update.

== Flipnote Hatena return ==

So... how many <s>days</s> <s>hours</s> minutes before he's banned? --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 04:57, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:Well, they've been up for almost 12 hours now. He must have flown under the mod's radar. That's going to change since we're now aware of this development. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 05:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

And will we get many more badly drawn, idiotic animations? Also what is the general opinion of what we want to happen here? Do we want to report him so he will get banned again and rage, or do we want to see where he goes with this? -- [[User:Lunachu|Lunachu]] 05:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
* Already reported his water maze dream. May as well to be perfectly honest. Besides, I don't think we'll get anything new, and I would love to see him rage about Flipnote Hatena Moderators for banning him because he is BAwwwwwtistic. Jump on the Pickle train, destination, Chris. [[User:Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]] 02:33 25, July 2010 (UTC)

Knowing how fast Chris got banned from Flipnote Hatena(what was it, a week or two before he got perma-banned?), it will probably be even shorter. I mean, does he seriously think he can get back on and no one will notice? He's a real tool if he thinks Trolls aren't going to mess with him or report him, and an idiot if he thinks that the Moderators on FH wont notice his shenanigans and kick him right off. Also, how did he get around the ban? He must be using a library computer or something, or bought a new DS just to get around it. [[User:Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]] 01:37 25, July 2010

SakuraBlossom is posting again. Apparently she had the watery maze dream too. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 06:38, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

:Any chance of a link to her channel? This sounds interesting. -- [[User:Lunachu|Lunachu]] 07:32, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::*http://flipnote.hatena.com/mobile/9C6792D0F3618798@DSi/ is SakuraBlossom's profile. She gave him a butt-tonne of stars just before. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:02, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:::* Thanks. -- [[User:Lunachu|Lunachu]] 15:58, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

'''Hey guys. Delabonte here. I don't want to have to be the one to point out the obvious but you all have Autism so here goes. How about you not report Chris this time? Haven't you realised that getting him banned from one of his few outlets is completely retarded? I know you think you're achieving something, but you are achieving the wrong thing. Think about it carefully. What was funnier, when he was making these cartoons or when he vanished and did nothing?''' --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 12:04, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

:Thanks for the sorely-needed message (and the protip), but I fear it may be too late as some have already taken the initiative to rat him out. Even without the dumbasses prematurely ending our fun, I'm sure it's just a matter of time until Chris gets HIMSELF in trouble with the mods. In the meantime, let's see if he catches a hold of a certain cherry flower who wants to be his heartsweet. --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 14:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
:*As far as we know, he hasn't responded to Sakura aside from in email. Still, it's important he not find out, or he could discover the woman who had the watery maze dream too... That would be a disaster. Also, I do agree; quit reporting him. It's funnier if/when he gets banned because of his own actions. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:08, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
::*Anybody who reports Chris is a moron. Also, this means he bought another DSi. And that's just sad.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:21, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Update: Flipnotes previously reported to be taken down are (surprise) back up again. Oh Chris. (Hopefully this time around the trolltards won't do any reporting.) --[[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] 01:53, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

== New tweets ==

Yeah. Chris has tweeted yet again, promoting his Sonichu Modnation crap and asking for ‘5-Star Votes’. No mention of Flipnote or anything related, though.--[[User:Hiiro|Hiiro]] 08:02, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

== Where is Chris? ==

It seems like he has been pretty inactive lately. There have been no new updates since July 26th. I wonder what he is doing. What is he up to? Any thoughts?
-Interested bystander 08/10/2010
*Chris is playing [[ModNation Racers]]. He has been for quite a while. Nothing will happen for some time. Same thing happened when he got LBP. Also, you don't have to type your name out and stuff. Just put 4 tildes (~) after your message and it will sign your post for you. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 22:35, 10 August 2010 (PDT)

This quiet spell is killing me, someone go fire a petrol bomb through his house, get some reaction.. anything! If i lived within 3 hours of him, swear to god i'd be there everyday with my camera staking him out. --[[User:Bentduck|Bentduck]] 04:47, 12 August 2010 (PDT)
:*Heh. The thing is... doing stuff that would make anyone RAEG (or at least, respond with huge amounts of emotion and anger) isn't really what's funny. The funny thing is doing [[Miyamoto|something]] [[Liquid|really]] [[Asperchu|minor]] that wouldn't phase anyone else, or would even amuse them, then watching him explode with disproportionate tard rage. There's also this tiny, niggling doubt in the back of my mind that... unless it actually hit Chris's room, or his car, or his parents raged at him for it (therefore inconveniencing him), he honestly wouldn't care. He'd just call it 'sad' or something. Chris really only cares about himself. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 04:59, 12 August 2010 (PDT)

Maybe Chris is still getting into stupid shit, but we're not seeing it. Maybe he was already banned from FAF for being a creep. We can't know at this point, but the possibility that we're missing out on some heavy shit is pretty frustrating. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 02:28, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

For some reason I am really interested in the whole Chris saga. I find him to be a pretty interesting person. I wish I lived near him so I could actually see him in action or actually talk to him. I tried adding him on facebook but apparently he never checks his facebook anymore. [[User:Interested bystander|Interested bystander]] 12:54, 16 August 2010 (PDT)

I swear this whole 2 year saga is like the best thing on the internet, but even so a lot of it has been dominated by quite spells. Then he'll release a new episode and in a whirlwind of shit and comeuppance he'll find his new sweetheart (I.E. any girl who dares to even acknowledge his existence, besides his mother.). Until then we just got be patient. [[User:Open the udder|Open the udder]] 15:34, 24 August 2010 (PDT)

== Not a forum crackdown ==

Given recent events, I'm starting to get pissed about people who are using CWCki as a forum. Next person to do any of the follow (list not inclusive): posting trolling plans, posting personal comments on videos (like commenting how stupid Chris is), or pretty much '''anything that is not pertaining to improvement of the article will result in temporary bans.''' If you have any questions about this, feel free to contact me. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:58, 17 August 2010 (PDT)
*champ, despite you being the most cwcki leader of all cwcki things, to be honest, you're not doing a very good job of enforcing this. you SHOULD call it a forum crackdown. you should call it Crackdown: The End of All Things: The Movie [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 18:29, 17 August 2010 (PDT)

== He has returned ==

Dry spell officially over? --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 06:05, 27 August 2010 (PDT)

* That has still yet to be seen, but it appears so... I would, however, expect more video's soon in the immediate future given how much Chris has obsessed over his 10 year high-school reunion. When he finds out it isn't going to happen or he wasn't invited, there will definitely be some more videos (either of him crying about how the Greene County School board conspired to keep him out of the reunion, or raging against the school itself for not inviting him). Keep your eyes peeled, this high school reunion whining has the potential to become a saga in itself --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 06:10, 27 August 2010

if not the reunion this "trollbusters" alone could be another ego trip worth laughing at[[User:Mr.moose|Mr.moose]] 09:26, 27 August 2010
==Death of the Beloved PS3==
I don't understand why Chris destroyed his PS3... isn't formating the drive mean he just deleted all the data on the hard drive? I mean I realize he had a ton of shit on there but, now he has to buy a new one when he couldve just started from scratch with his old one... Anyone mind elaborating on this?[[User:Open the udder|Open the udder]] 01:21, 30 August 2010 (PDT)
:This is either a gross overreaction to losing his hard drive (most of the content on which could easily be replaced, such as comics, songs, and purchased content.) or a somewhat extreme attempt at <s>re</s>gaining a social life. It actually reminds me of when I was a kid and I lost one of my Pokemon due to a trading glitch and came to the retarded conclusion that I should just wipe my entire save file. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 12:10, 30 August 2010 (PDT)
:: who knows. my guess is that he will probably buy another one eventually with his tugboat
:::What about the rumors that he was trying to collect a bounty from trolls. [[User:Abyssal|Abyssal]] 22:37, 31 August 2010 (PDT)
::::Rumors and nothing more. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 06:01, 1 September 2010 (PDT)
Speaking of unsubstantiated rumors, I also heard that Chris's PSN is active again. Can anyone confirm? --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 06:32, 1 September 2010 (PDT)

==Chris spotted at Fashion Square...Again.==
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34ueHWOKMh0 The guy who made the FAF vids posted this.]

Any thoughts? --[[User:EdtheHedgehog1894|EdtheHedgehog1894]] 17:13, 31 August 2010 (EST)

: He looks almost normal. Interesting... -[[User:Captainhowdy|Captainhowdy]] 14:26, 31 August 2010 (PDT)

:Same orange shirt from this weekend's second video. I wonder if he's giving up on the trucker vest. Kind of disappointing, really, in the plain old slacks and a t-shirt he just looks like a garden-variety fat dude. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 14:27, 31 August 2010 (PDT)
::Chris is seriously not aging well. The more normal he dresses, the more obvious his poor health becomes. What I see is a mass of orange filth, and from that mass, four scrawny, sickly limbs have sprouted. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 15:09, 31 August 2010 (PDT)
:::Maybe it's 'cos I live in the South. Take him out of the clown shirt and Chris isn't all that unusual down here. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:14, 31 August 2010 (PDT)
The way he's sitting suggests he's "spreading his plumage" just like his Captain Morgan pose with the muscle bra at FAF. He still fucking believes he's the apex of masculinity and women will flock to him if he makes himself visible. Of course, the only thing he's showcasing sitting like that is his gut and man boobs.

Should we add this to the [[Attraction Sign]] page? Same concept, Chris is just getting more and more implicit about it. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 14:38, 31 August 2010 (PDT)
:He's not becoming more implicit, he's just becoming more lazy about it. Back in 2005, he actually put a tiny degree of effort into his attraction methods. Now he's not even trying anymore. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 15:02, 31 August 2010 (PDT)
:There is no attraction sign in that video. Chris is just lusting after the chick while he sits slumped in the seat, at the height of his glory. --[[User:CaptainCanuck|CaptainCanuck]] 20:46, 31 August 2010 (PDT)

== Jerkops wanted ==

I'm looking for a few new jerkops.

Prereqs:

1) must not be a fag (homosexuals alright, I mean people who are just stupid).
2) must obsessively or at least semi-obsessively monitor the CWCki
3) must have a spine.
4) you must have been editing the CWCki for a while (in other words, I recognize your name).

Being a jerkop ''will not'' get you any special privileges. You will not get privy information about Chris. You will not get to troll Chris. You will probably not get any honor or glory. You will however get a userbox.

Contact info on my userpage.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:58, 7 September 2010 (PDT)

:ME ME ME ME ME ME [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 18:00, 7 September 2010 (PDT)
:*No. Everyone else contact me privately.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:01, 7 September 2010 (PDT)

== Chris mentioned on Atop the Fourth Wall ==

Linkara mentioned ''Sonichu'' and Chris in his latest video "15 Comics I'll Never Review", under the entry regarding webcomics. The Embodiment of the Internet showed up and forced him to review ''Sonichu'', but then settled for a ''Sonic'' comic.

The episode in question: http://atopfourthwall.blogspot.com/2010/09/top-15-comics-ill-never-review.html -- [[User:TobyMobias|TobyMobias]] 22:13, 7 September 2010 (PDT)
:I watched it earlier today and I lol'd hard when he mentioned it. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 23:28, 7 September 2010 (PDT)

== Any news on Chris' High School Reunion ==

Hello everyone, I'm mostly a lurker but ever since I found out about this site I couldn't help myself and dig deeper into Mr. Chandler's mind. Chris has been hell bent on trying to go to his high school reunion, hoping to meet his old gal-pals. I've been trying to find anything about Manchester High School on the internet, hoping to find anything about anyone planning a 10 year reunion. From alumniclass.com to facebook, looks like no one is planning anything or seems to care about their high school reunion. I found this on alumniclass.com, but it looks like a troll made this. [http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c381/ShinGokuIAM/Others/MHSClassReunion00.jpg] I'm going to try and keep digging but I doubt anyone cares about this high school reunion. [[User:ShinGokuIAM|ShinGokuIAM]] 07:55, 7 October 2010 (PDT)

== Laser Pointer Shit ==
This post is six months old but it hasn't been mentioned here so I thought it might be worth crossposting.

"I have witnessed Chris Chan in the flesh and he's kind of a running joke at work. He would shine his laser pointer at a woman I worked with in order to get her attention, I guess because she fit his physical criteria, except that she was not boyfriend-free." ''-Komet, Something Awful Forums''

[[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 19:56, 10 December 2010 (PST)

== Is this the end? ==
We haven't heard anything from Chris since November. Unless we somehow find a way to troll him through the PSN, could this be the end of the trolling as we know it? [[User:Tyranogre|Tyranogre]] 22:11, 14 January 2011 (PST)

:Chris will always come back to the internet. Once he realizes nobody will ever love him in real life, he'll come back to the internet, thus allowing us to troll him. I'm pretty sure he'll go back to being stupid(er). Although he probably won't put effort into a sweetheart. [[User:PedoforkBait|PedoforkBait]] 16:40, 10 January 2011 (PST)

== Want to see Chris in public ==

Head out to the fashion square mall on a saturday between 3-4. Being the autistic creature of habit he is, he always shows up, with Bob.
[[User:CFA|CFA]] 16:00, 23 January 2011 (PST)CFA

== CWCki captioning side project ==

There's a lot of talented people on the CWCki and since not a lot is going on with Chris, we can use this time to really do something terrific. One thing I think we can work on is assisting our sister project, [[TheCWCvilleLibrary]] with captioning. I was able to make one for [[MEOW]] and it turned out fine.

Captioning videos isn't too difficult, I used [http://accessify.com/tools-and-wizards/accessibility-tools/easy-youtube-caption-creator/ this] though I hear [http://captiontube.appspot.com/ this] is a good resource as well. You can use CWCki transcripts for the captions and otherwise it's not too difficult.

Helping out with this means that the hearing impaired can now experience the fail that is Chris, in addition to people who want to watch Chris's videos without hearing Chris's voice. This can also lead to translating Chris's videos into other languages.

Participation means getting your name mention in the video description and you'll get a pretty cool user box (TBD). The more you contribute, the cooler user boxes you'll get.

Send your captions (upload them to MediaFire or some site like that) and message them to Abuelita on TheCWCvilleLibrary. Be sure you mention your CWCki name so you can get credit and so I can get you a sweet ass userbox.

I plan on contributing myself, so by all means participate.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:41, 7 February 2011 (PST)
*Just to bring it to your attention, both of those links are the same. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:28, 8 February 2011 (PST)
:*NUH-UH.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:54, 8 February 2011 (PST)
*I started doing the Chris's DVD videos (just to follow the channel's order), I could translate them to Spanish too.[[User:Cesare|Cesare]] 15:03, 8 February 2011 (PST)
**I should probably say that I did the JenkinsJinkies application video and Hello Juffalo/Downs with the Clowns, just so that nobody else does them a second time. Should we have a separate page cataloging which videos have been done by who? [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 15:07, 8 February 2011 (PST)
::*I wasn't sure if we should make this a separate CWCki project but it might be handy. Post which videos you plan on working on [[CWCki:Caption Crusade|here]]. If you can translate Chris's into Spanish, that'd be great Cesare.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 15:37, 8 February 2011 (PST)

== Inside the Pickle Suit is canceled ==

Due to lack of interest by relevant parties, the project is canceled. The interview with Ivy will still go on (as we've already paid the seance and the deposit was non-refundable). If you wanna bitch, go to [[IRC]] and bitch to the people who opted out. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 15:52, 9 February 2011 (PST)
*Though to be fair, the issue of in-character versus out of character discussion, essentially trolls breaking the fourth wall in the theatrics of Chris would be a difficult issue to reconcile .--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:08, 9 February 2011 (PST)

I don't blame them if they don't want to do it. There's no pressure, and I respect the people behind the scenes too much for them to risk giving away personal details or revelations that could end up backfiring on them. Lord knows no one needs to give Chris anything of value(however small), better to be safe than sorry. I say let sleeping dogs lye. --[[Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]] 05:29 10, February 2011 (EST)

Agreed. --[[User:EdtheHedgehog1894|EdtheHedgehog1894]] 08:12, 10 February 2011 (PST)

== NeverOnHexBox ==

I'm sure some of you might have seen this already, I was surprised it wasn't on the CWCki, but Chris is back on under a new Youtube Channel. Here, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu75tzrwLAU, you just have to see it for yourself. I swear, the internet and video games are Chris' Heroin and Cocaine. --[[User:Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]] 01:49, 14 February 2011 (EST)
*That's not Chris, that's just someone posting videos of his levels. --[[User:KHSilverRock|KHSilverRock]] 23:02, 13 February 2011 (PST)
* Either way, it counts as being back in my books. --[[user:Chris_pickles|Chris_Pickles]] 02:16, 13 February 2011 (EST)

== Back on MySpace? ==

Chris's [[MySpace]] showed a recent login on 26 [[February 2011]]. Some notable edits show that he's now even more picky when it comes to his courtship expectations: "You must be pretty, single, and willing to meet me and my papa at Casa De Chandler with[in] two days of first contact." He also seems to be taking a different view towards [[jerks]]: "I am also open to friendships with Guys; for many years I shunned men because of how they treated me but now I am cool with being friends with them."

Now this may be a troll and not him, but if it is him, is this something worth noting on [[Template:Da_update|Da Update]] or something? Maybe note the changes on the page about his MySpace? [[User:BrianBash|BrianBash]] 03:24, 26 February 2011 (PST)

Well, we should look a little further into this before jumping to conclusions. It's pretty easy to hack a Myspace account, and if it's one owned by Chris, then it's even easier to take. Not only that, his Myspace has been inactive for a pretty long time. The message sounds like something Chris would say, but this can be imitated as we know.

This is the first time since he left that there's been any sort of major signs from him on the internet, if he is trying to get back into his internet crawl spaces, he's certainly trying to be a little more discreet about it, and posting this as an update on the CWCki might scare him away if he see's it(since he checks the CWCki), so perhaps a little causion is needed. I'll check this out though. --[[User:Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]] 02:31, 28, February 2011 (EST)

It's a decent impression if it's not him. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 09:46, 28 February 2011 (PST)

*It's not Chris, I'll tell you that much. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:42, 28 February 2011 (PST)

== I can not believe I missed this all until earlier this week... ==

So it wasn't until a youtube partner known as BLACKbusterCritic posted a [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSMWckfTfuM video] on him that I learned of CWC's existence... It's so funny that I was able to live in ignorance for so long... Anyway, I am so upset that I missed this all because there is so much information out there, and I want to learn it all.

I hope Chris comes back, I need some more humor in my life.

Keep doing a good job on the site, I am so sad to see ED is down... Hoping that site also comes back.

[[User:Raku|Raku]] 14:27, 16 April 2011 (PDT)

== ED is gone ==

*ED has folded. The owners sold the site and ran like hell. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 22:35, 16 April 2011 (PDT)CFA
** Hi Slowpoke!--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 23:24, 16 April 2011 (PDT)
*Oh, since you are so ahead of the curve, you have updated the ED page on the site and the like right? Otherwise, fuck off. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 14:40, 18 April 2011 (PDT)CFA
:*That's like a 5-year-olds response. Everyone fucking knows that ED is gone, and no one has to edit the ED article like a stupid motherfucker to prove that they know it. --[[User:NeoShadow|NeoShadow]] 15:03, 18 April 2011 (PDT)
*Actually, we did edit the article to replace the links a couple days ago. The articles are pretty current. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 15:12, 18 April 2011 (PDT)

== Bob is dead? ==

>Sonichu is no longer being updated. My father's passing has been too great for me

>My father's passing has been too great for me[http://sonichuchandler.tripod.com/cwcson.htm](linked from [[Adult_Swim_posts]])

What? [[User:GunLowEgg|GunLowEgg]] 14:56, 25 April 2011 (PDT)

:I remember seeing that over a year ago. It was hacked way back. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 15:11, 25 April 2011 (PDT)

:Not the real Chris. Seriously... --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 23:14, 25 April 2011 (PDT)
::>> :( It is like I Lost Patti All Over Again.
:::Made me think it was real [[User:GunLowEgg|GunLowEgg]] 07:01, 26 April 2011 (PDT)

== Annoucning the CWCki Forums ==

Because I'm tired of fuckers using talk pages as forums, which clogs up recent changes and takes away time I could be improving the CWCki, I've created a forum for the CWCki [http://cwcki.yuku.com/ here]. Hopefully this will be a bit more civilized than the Offshore CWCki. Pretty much you can go nuts talking about Chris, I don't care, just keep it off the CWCki. By all mean post suggestions for boards you'd like to see and anything else on the CWCki Forums forum. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:22, 11 May 2011 (PDT)

== Chris Chan on Christian Message Board ==

[http://www.landoverbaptist.net/showthread.php?t=64266 The Landover Baptist Church Forum]

Obvious Fake. Way to coherent to be Chris --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 13:01, 14 July 2011 (PDT)
:No duh. Landover Baptist is a fake Christian website. It's to religious fundamentalism as The Onion is to journalism. Why would someone try to pretend to be Chris there? Did they confuse Landover Baptist Church with Westboro Baptist Church? --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 13:57, 14 July 2011 (PDT)

== Facebook back up? ==

[http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002534669114]

Looks like he put this back up after the small down time. -- [[User:Westbound|Westbound]] 12:43, 19 July 2011 (PDT)

*I saw this yesterday, I tried to friend him, but he still hasn't accepted. It could be him, because it's simple and not Screaming Christian Weston Chandler and sonichu. If it is him, it needs to be investigated slowly and carefully, no "Hey are you really Chris-Chan, JULAY!, Sonichu!," and we can't all friend him at the same time or he'll get suspicious and check CWCki, and we can't jump the gun and post he has a new facebook, this is his longest dry spell by one month. So basically lurk and keep quiet. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 13:17, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
**I agree...if you use his email address, this one comes up. The odds of that happening and it not being Chris is crazy. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 16:08, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
***So theres a strong chance its him, so we need to be very gentle, he's fragile. We might not want to talk about it on Cwcki, maybe move it to the Cwcki forums, but inconspicuously. Lets not fuck this up like the last one. Please, DO NOT post this on the front page or he will find out. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 19:31, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
**** If you don't want it found out, it's probably best to delete this then. Let the professionals handle Chris, just sit back and
watch the show... --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 20:00, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
***** I agree, maybe this should be deleted for now (this section at least). --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:21, 19 July 2011 (PDT)
*On second thought I typed CWCSonichu@aol.com and a different CWC account came up [http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1477162034], but it wasn't the same one I found yesterday and Westbound posted. So both should be checked out. [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 20:07, 19 July 2011 (PDT)

== Recent CWC Sighting ==

I saw CWC about 3:45pm Today at Chesterfield Towne Center here in Richmond, VA. It's more like Midlothian, VA. CWC was walking around in his blue & red stripe shirt, he had earrings and his hair was all over the place. He also had a bag from Pink. I was kinda dumbfounded because WTF is he doing here in Richmond. I called out to him and he was scared shitless because he thought I was going to rob him or something because I'm a fat black kid wearing all black. He asked me if I knew him and I said no and I felt really stupid for calling him out and not taking a picture first. He just said "Ummmm OK I don't know you and you better leave me alone" and he walks off into the Gamestop. I left that mall super quick because I knew he would try and call the cops on me for saying that I was harassing him or some shit. He scared the shit out of me when I first saw him because I totally didn't expect to see him in Chesterfield County. I guess him and his mom moved back to Chesterfield since their house is a shit hole. I know everyone is going to say pics or it didn't happen but yeah I'm a dumbass for not taking a picture first before call him or something. I had my phone in my hand but it was just a huge WTF moment. [[User:ShinGokuIAM|ShinGokuIAM]] 14:08, 28 December 2011 (PST)
:If Chris really has moved to Chesterfield then this probably wont be the last time he goes to that area. Keep hanging around that place for a while to see if you can find him again and snap a photo. Wear different clothing so he doesn't immediately recognize you. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 15:03, 28 December 2011 (PST)
::No need for him to change his clothing - Chris's facial recognition skills are so bad (see the Blanca saga for example) that the original poster has nothing to worry about (presuming he really saw Chris and isn't lying for the sake of attention). - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 17:07, 28 December 2011 (PST)
:::Too much conjecture for me, and you are 100% correct, we are all going to say pics or it didn't happen. {{unsigned|Slimz}}

== Do we have enough content to create a "Public Sightings" page? ==

It seems like a good idea. There's pretty much no activity coming from Chris these past few months and there must be some public sighting pics or videos we could compile while we wait for his return. [[User:Price fister|Price fister]] 13:01, 24 February 2012 (PST)PriceFister

== The CWCki Christmas Message ==

Hey everyone,

I know I'm not on here as often as I like, mostly because I'm busy with the [[CWCki Forums|forums]] and for that I think quality of the CWCki has diminished because of that. Though in honestly, most, if not all of the staff are no longer active on here either. So I decided that we need new blood as an admin.

As a result, I've made [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] new admin and bureaucrat. He's one of the few people I know who has taken an active interest in improving the CWCki and he's active on the forums as well which may help bridge the gap between the two. Don't view this so much as me stepping down, but rather I'm going to step away a bit.

I will remain admin and I will still exercise my powers, but I will allow Alan to take over day to day issues on here. You're absolutely welcome to still ask me for help about editing or for me to rule in on something but you're more than welcome to ask Alan as well as I feel he is competent enough to be an admin.

I and the rest of the staff wish you all a Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and I hope [[2014]], which will mark the 5 year anniversary of the founding of the CWCki, will be a wonderful one.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 02:20, 25 December 2013 (PST)

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Megan Schroeder

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Champthom: Protected "Megan Schroeder": High traffic page: There are hotheads on the forums about this. You're welcome to discuss what we should do with Megan's page but I have a feeling people might try to take things into their own hands ([edit=sysop] (expires

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! colspan="2" | Sweethearts
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| colspan="2" | [[Image:ChrisAndMeganUnpixelated.jpg|250px]]
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! colspan="2" |Megan Schroeder
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| '''Date of Birth'''
| 23 July 1986
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| '''Gender'''
| Female
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| '''Nationality'''
| [[United States of America|American]]
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| '''Race'''
| [[Chris and race|White]]
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| '''Occupation(s)'''
| None known
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{{quote|Ah, For Her I Would travel even A Thousand Miles, just to be with her. Fortunately, she lives only about one hour from my house, and I meet her once a week at a closer-to-home social. This feeling, It was, and still is, so pure and true, it was like as if I was Born to Love Her. When She Smiles, I feel like I'm Walking on Sunshine as I give my replying smile and gaze into her eyes. And her hair is the softest and most warm-tingling. Cloud Nine? I feel like I'm on Ten.|Christian, ''[[Story of My Current Days]]''}}
{{Quote|ED didn't drag my name through the mud but you did.
I don't know, I can't keep disgracing myself and forgiving and forgiving. I have some pride you know. I've forgiven you so many times before it's just getting irritating now. Even I have my limits.|Megan gives her own view<ref>[[Megan emails, 2008]]</ref>}}

'''Megan Schroeder''' (born 23 July [[1986]]) was a [[Gal pal|gal pal]] of [[Christian Weston Chandler]]'s, with whom he had perhaps the closest relationship of his life.

Chris first met Megan in the summer of [[2005]] at [[The GAMe PLACe]]. Following Chris's progressively creepier unwanted advances, she cut off contact with him in early [[2008]]. To this day, Chris harbors an entirely unwarranted [[Chris and anger|grudge]] against Megan, thanks to misconceptions fed to him by [[Bob]], [[Barb]], and his [[autism|autistic delusions]].

==Prologue==
{{main|Megan Emails, 2005-2006}}
{{See also|Megan Emails, Jan-July 2007}}
[[Image:156-CWCMegan1.jpg|thumb|Look at the fear in her eyes...]]

{{quote|During the late summer months, I picked up and started the [[Yu-Gi-Oh]] [[Trading Card Game]] (it was around the time the movie came into theaters). One Saturday at the Game Place (Where I was also going for Pokemon TCG on Fridays), I met Megan and [[John's Custom Gundam|John Schroeder]]. At first I thought they were a couple but then they were just Sister and Brother. Over the months of getting to know Megan, I grew fond of her. Although at that time, and up to now, she wasn't interested in a lovely relationship. I've bided to her wishes and requests. I am truly fond of her, and I hope she will have a change of heart soon. She'll be turning 21 on July 23, 2007.|Christian<ref>[[Yep, I'm on TV :)]]</ref>}}

Megan is a typical ''truly'' [[boyfriend-free girl]]; asexual even, with a few eccentricities that Chris was more than happy to copy and fulfill, namely her fondness for ''[[My Little Pony]]'', ''[[Sailor Moon]]'', and using Chris like a debit card because she was too lazy to go on [[eBay]] herself.

Megan and Chris first met during the summer of [[2005]] at [[The GAMe PLACe]] over a game of ''Yu-Gi-Oh!''. The two apparently struck up a friendship of sorts. They had an obvious connection from the start, since they were both idling their twenties away playing [[card games|games marketed to pre-teens]]. It only took [[Third date|a few games of cards]] and a handful of e-mails before Chris saw Megan as his [[sweetheart]]. This was probably perpetuated by the fact that Megan used him as means to buy stuff off of eBay.

{{quote|Please can you get this video for me? please hurry! thanks!|Megan, [[Megan_Emails,_2005-2006#Megan_wants_a_Tin_Tin_episode|Megan E-mails]]}}

Through the end of 2005 and into [[2006]], Chris would hang all over Megan, writing her [[Sonichu 5|into his comic]], trying to drag her into dates, trying to snuggle, hold her hand, kiss her, and other attempted romantic gestures. This didn't accomplish anything but rousing the ire of Megan, who wanted nothing more than her personal space away from our hero. Even more so, she only saw him as a friend, nothing more. She repeatedly tried to assert her asexuality. Sadly, this fell on deaf ears, and Chris would continue hounding Megan. When Megan attempted to get rid of Chris, saying that she had a boyfriend, it didn't deter Chris from his ultimate goal of [[china]].

Unfortunately for her, this was only the beginning...

==Megan Saga==

===Sailor Megtune===
{{Main|Sailor Megtune}}

Megan is a bit of an amateur cartoonist herself, and that caught Chris's fancy early in the game.

{{quote|Everytime I see your drawings, I get inspired to want to work more on [[Sonichu (comic)|my comics]].|Christian, [[Megan_Emails,_2005-2006#Chris_wants_to_date_Megan_at_McDonald.27s|Megan E-mails]]}}

In what was a fortunate alignment of his ass-kissing campaign with the now consistent diary-keeping that ''Sonichu'' had become, Megan (later [[retconned]] as '''Meg-chan''') quickly made her first appearance as [[Sailor Megtune]] in [[Sonichu 5|''Sonichu'' #5]] along with [[Megagi La Skunk]], her own [[homo|lesbian]] furry sidekick. The two are purportedly "[[Sailor Moon|Sailor Soldiers]]" and reveal on the spot that Chris is an old friend of theirs (Chris knew Megagi?) and thwart the evil Jerkops trying to ruin Chris' [[Love Quest]] with Rockin' Hurricane, causing Magic Rocket to [[Team Rocket|blast off again]]. Her influence on ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' is apparent in Chris's sudden transition to a more [[animu]] style with ''Sonichu'' #5, most notably in his character's eyes.

[[Image:Schu6p50a.jpg|thumb|Getting dangerously close to crossing the line...]]

Megan and Chris appeared to chat about comics in their e-mail conversations; Chris critiqued some of her story ideas, and ran the plotline for [[Sonichu 6|''Sonichu'' #6]] by her, including a bizarre offer to write in Megan's own imaginary daughter. While Megan probably found the whole thing harmlessly eccentric at first, ''Sonichu'' #5 managed to create some drama pretty quickly upon its release. Megan undoubtedly flipped when she saw her character snuggling up with Chris AND offering fan service to the audience. Chris failed at understanding her anger, but did [[retcon]] a couple pages to tone them down.

===Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown===
{{main|Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown}}
{{See also|Megan Emails, Aug-Dec 2007}}

{{quote|In any case, I LOATHE [[Adam Stackhouse|Adam]] and his Sister for STEALING my one chance at taking my Sweet [[Gal pal|Gal-Friend]] to [[Wikipedia:Seattle|Seattle]]; [[Chris and rape|it would have been terriffic]]. I might have even been able to change her outlook on not planning on having children (she and I are both virgins; although I am a [[stress|FRUSTRATED]], High-Functionally [[autism|AUTISTIC]], 25-YEAR OLD [[Virgin with rage|VIRGIN]].|[[PSN Blogs]]}}

In June [[2007]], Megan went to [[Wikipedia:Kentucky|Kentucky]]. Undeterred, Chris continued e-mailing her, refusing to back away even for a moment as he ''still'' believed that, deep down inside, Megan truly did love him. Discovering about the [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown]] and the prizes that laid within, Chris eagerly entered the contest, hoping to win a [[PSP]] and the trip and use that to win her [[china|heart]]. In the end, as expected, Chris lost, [[Adam Stackhouse]] won, Megan didn't give a shit. Even when Chris began whining about how everyone "cheated", especially Adam, but he "didn't", she didn't care. It soon got to the point where Megan would finally blow up at Chris for his childish and selfish acts. Despite being hurt, Chris continued to harass Megan.

===Rule 34 and The End of Megan===
{{Main|ShecameforCWC.JPG}}
{{See also|Megan emails, 2008}}
[[Image:ShecameforCWC_(200803).JPG|right|thumb|...aaand we've crossed it.]]
In November 2007, Chris would discover his [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page and begin his one-man war [[Sonichu 8|against the garbage]]. In the process, he uploaded a number of [[Sonichu and Rosechu's Luv Shack|Rule 34]] artworks, one of which was [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|a picture of him fingering a girl]] with her eyes obscured. Trolls originally believed that she was [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|his imaginary sister Crystal]], but Chris would eventually reveal that the image was actually meant to represent Megan.<ref>[[List of Christian's edits to Encyclopedia Dramatica#March 2008|Chris confirms Megan's identity on the 18th March, 2008.]]</ref><ref>[[CWC's Second Message]]</ref>

By 12 [[March 2008]], Megan discovered the picture and demanded that it be removed immediately. Chris attempted to do so, but found himself blocked at every turn. His edits were quickly reverted, or even worse, compounded, as he tried to upload other versions of the picture with the face cropped out or obscured.

Throughout the fiasco, Chris attempted to paint himself as a greater victim than Megan, initially even assuming that she didn't understand what was going on in the picture. He would later admit he did it in part to suppress the occasional impulse to [[rape]] her, and that trying to assert that what she was going through just BEING in the picture and learning what he could have done was ''nothing'' compared to the misery of the [[troll]]ing he was enduring. In the end, Megan finally broke off all contact with Chris, broken by her experiences and traumatized by his actions.<ref>[[Chris-chan#Megan Saga]]</ref><ref>[[List of Christian's edits to Encyclopedia Dramatica#March 2008]]</ref>

Evidence suggested that Megan was distancing herself from Chris even before she discovered the awful drawing. Comments by former GAMe PLACe patrons Daniel Mimms and [[Lucas]] indicate that Megan was already avoiding Chris before she found out ShecameforCWC.<ref>[[Mimms and Lucas Q&A#Initial post|Mimms and Lucas Q&A]]: "Megan would usually stand/hide behind me and Lucas to avoid [Chris], '''especially after''' the drawings of her got leaked [emphasis added]." This comment suggests that Megan was avoiding Chris before ShecameforCWC came to her attention. In their [[Mimms and Lucas Q&A#Chris and Megan|discussion of Megan]], Mimms and Lucas seem to attribute Chris's groping as the main factor behind the deterioration of his relationship with her, while giving little weight to ShecameforCWC.</ref> It might very well be that ShecameforCWC merely euthanized a dying relationship rather than killing a vibrant and living one.

==Epilogue==
{{quote|Too bad I was never just that too all into him.|Cartoon Megan, "I Am The TRUE, Original CCWC"}}

{{quote|Megan... WHY?!|Christian,
"I Am The TRUE, Original CCWC"}}

Megan surfaced again in Chris's thoughts in [[July 2009]], first in the [[CWC "Boyfriend"]] video, and then in the subsequent update, [[I Am The TRUE, Original CCWC]].

Chris also [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCo72hJ-SAg reposted] the [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown]] entry, though this version is slightly different from the ones frequently seen in latter days: After "...my friend Megan!", Chris inserted a short break with a photo of him and Megan, with a lovely heart frame. Either this is the original version before Chris tried to clean up his image, or a brand new version with new improved references to the long-lost love.

On 26 [[March 2009]], he released a [[CWC Major Update 26 March 2009 |Captain's Log]] where he told everyone to [[Chris and Hypocrisy|"leave her alone"]] because she was going through [[stress]] from the [[trolls]], and threatened to stop drawing the comic if they didn't. At the beginning of the video Chris claims that he was recently contacted by Megan; alternatively it could have been a troll posing as her.

On 12 [[August 2009]], he dedicated a song to Megan in one of his [[KCWC Top 10 Dedication Special]] videos, where the first sign that he'd convinced himself that she'd told him "I Love You" comes up (and he remains relatively consistent when speaking of her in acting as though this actually happened).

{{quote|Coming up next at #7, we got another long-distance dedication, to the old [[gal-pal]] of mine that I almost had a ra- I had meant to be- I had her "I love you" before I got kicked out, Megan Schroeder, her, from her favorite, this is from her favorite h-artist, Yngwie Malmsteen.|Christian, "[[KCWC Top 10 Dedication Special]]"}}

In 2010, he created a [[:File:ModNation GalPal.jpg|model of Megan]] for ''[[ModNation Racers]]'' (named "Gal Pal"), showing that he still can't let go.

==Chris's version of events==
On 16 [[May 2010]], the [[CWCipedia]]'s new fan manager Daria Camacho created a page for Megan, using the link on Chris's page of [[Gal-Pals and Past Sweethearts (CWCipedia page)|gal-pals and sweethearts]]. When Chris discovered it, he erased all of Daria's text and wrote his own version. The abridged version of events he presents is much shorter than his gigantic [[Damien Antaria (CWCipedia page)|rant on The Wallflower]], probably because the events of the Megan Saga are beginning to fade from his memory.

{{quotebox|If you REALLY MUST KNOW...

Megan and I first met at a Yu-Gi-Oh Tournament at The G&H Place, back when it was still in the Downtown Mall. It was around the time the Y.G.O. Movie debuted in theaters. She and I, we talked, hung out and became really good friends.

"I DID have lovey-dovey feelings for her, and I still care about her as a friend. I did her a number of favors by getting her this and that off of eBay, then she would reimburse me the cost of each item.

When I started getting too close, she started to feel uncomfortable, My Bad. Then she distanced herself from me, saw other dudes, including a possible [[homos]]exual.

I drew that drawing of her and me that is unfortunately popular among everyone who tends to haze me for TWO REASONS. Firstly, because of My Own Wishful Thinking. And second a tool in a lame attempt to overcrowd the E.D. page against me with Bu**C*** with my own "information" to shut it down.

Ever since, she totally spaced herself from me, like as if she had put a restraining order against, which she did not. And as I was being forced off the Place premesis the last day I was there, she stood by and watched in shock. She could have spoken up for me, but she did not.

I have lost communication with Megan since then.}}

In the months and years after his "breakup" with Megan, Chris came to try and act as if he'd gotten over her. His [[Damien Antaria (CWCipedia page)|CWCipedia page]] on [[The Wallflower]], for instance, claimed "I had LOOOOOONG moved on from Megan."

However, a lingering attachment betrayed itself on occasion. The archive of his [[Gal-Pals and Past Sweethearts (CWCipedia page)|female acquaintances]] on the CWCipedia noted, "I still miss her sometimes." In an [[Jackie_e-mails_Part_2#Chris_lies_about_The_Game_Place|e-mail to Jackie]] from April 2010, when he recounted having his picture taken at The GAMe PLACe, Chris said, "I was in a state of shock from seeing Megan and (her short-lived romance) Christopher MAKING OUT. '''That Should Have Been Me.'''"

==Chris turns on Megan==
[[File:Megan Schroeder - 2013 September.jpeg|thumb|Megan, years later, still recovering from her ordeal. Out of frame: JERK.]]
The [[Matthew Noble call]] of August 2010 revealed that [[Bob]] and [[Barbara]] disliked and distrusted Megan, believing that she conspired with Michael Snyder and some [[homos]]exuals to get Chris banned from The GAMe PLACe. Barbara also mentions that how Megan "lied" about something, suggesting that she believes Megan to have been a troll.

It is possible that this belief originated with Chris, as in his correspondence with [[Katie Bay]], he lists Megan as a "possible troll".<ref>[[Katie_Bay_E-mails_2]]</ref> His reasoning was typical Chris - she had a vagina and didn't want to have sex with him. He also appears to have [[Autism|confused her with another female Caucasian brunette]] that placed a sign on his lawn on [[Halloween]] [[2008]].

A series of leaked Facebook postings beginning in [[February 2012]] reveal Chris' ever-growing, pathological, and extreme hatred for Megan. His animosity for Megan supposedly grew much more vitriolic after his parents expressed a [[Chris and reality|completely baseless]] belief that Megan was responsible for the "Hate and Smear Campaign" against Chris:

{{quote|EVERYONE, I have most urgent news. It is Final in My Mind, and from my mother as an eye and ear witness of her consorting with [[Michael Snyder]] LONG Before Novembef, [[2007]]; Megan Schroeder IS the SEED of the Whole Hate and Smear Campaign Against Me on the [[Internet]]. If any of you all Know where she is, or have clues of her, or her brother...current wherabouts, Please Inform Me on THIS WALL, Posthaste. She is Needed Brought to me, my mother and [[Rob Bell|our attorney]], for Great Questioning, and a Huge Piece of my mind. Thank You, Christian W. Chandler|Chris, Facebook, February 18, 2012}}

In the following days, Chris posted her contact information publicly in hopes that his friends would troll her. This effort was not successful.

In [[October 2012,]] a leaked screenshot<ref>[http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Fbp10.png Screenshot of Megan]</ref> from Chris' Facebook profile revealed that he gave in to his parents' belief that Megan was trolling him all along. Not only that, but his comment below the picture shows just how much gratitude he has towards one of the few girls that would willingly come within a few feet of him - he called her "evil" and posted her home address in the hopes that trolls would turn on her.

On April 4, [[2013]], Chris denounced [[the GAMe PLACe]] and called for Megan to be "jailed and beaten up", describing her as a "vile, wicked, traitorous bitch,"<ref>[http://i.imgur.com/mBFcon9.png Leaked Facebook post]</ref> a rare display of hatred upon a woman not seen from Chris since [[Mary Lee Walsh]]. Judging by a July 20, 2013 Facebook post, Chris seems to be holding Schroeder, along with [[Michael Snyder|Snyder]], to be the main culprit behind the various misfortunes he had over the years.<ref>[[Facebook#Spring Brakers]]</ref> Perhaps, if Chris ever starts the [[Sonichu_(comic)|comic]] up again, we shall see Megan taking up the golden hair/helm of being Chris's foe.

Chris's vitriol for Megan continues almost six years after his ban from [[The GAMe PLACe]]. In the aftermath of a permaban from [[Wal-Mart]] on the weekend of 7 September 2013 for having vandalized an [[Xbox]] One display, Chris flew into an incoherent rage, blaming Megan for his current financial situation and his ban:

{{quote|If it had not been for Mr. "Manajerk", Megan Schroeder, and their Internet Troll/Cyber-Bully Breeding and Meeting Ground, Cville's Hobbies, Games and Toys, My Family and I would not have had go through all of the emotionally depressing, and Financial Downfall to the depths of Greatly Poor and Just Getting By! The Manajerk has drained us financially, thinking we are freaking rich. And Megan has robbed me emotionally, started all of the Hate Against Me on the freaking Internet, Never financially paid me back for ALL of the material favors I bought for her off of eBay, and I WANT MY UNCUT "SAILOR MOON' DVDS FROM SEASONS "R" TO "SAILOR STAR" THAT GERMAN WARFARE BITCH CONNED FROM ME RETURNED TO ME!!!|Chris, Facebook, September 7, 2013}}

On 24 September 2013, Chris claimed in a Facebook post to have received an email from Megan. He now classes her with the Witch ([[Mary Lee Walsh]]) and the Bastard ([[Michael Snyder]]), and makes three [[Lego]] minifigs of them and shakes them together as a sort of punishment.<ref>[[September 2013 Facebook Posts]]</ref>

==Gallery==

===Art by Megan===
<center><gallery>
Image:061-MegansSailorMoonCD.jpg|[[Sailor Moon]]
Image:313-MegansSMoon.jpg|Sailor Moon
Image:316-MegagiOriginal.jpg|[[Megagi La Skunk]] ~ The pose in this and the following few drawings is quite obviously traced from the same source.
Image:318-HoundHowl.jpg|Hound Howl, which Chris reused as "Canino the Houndhowl" in the [[Wedding Comic]].
Image:319-PendingDoom.jpg
Image:320-Apocolypse.jpg
Image:321-IceCune.jpg
Image:322-houdourstuff.jpg
Image:Megan_ace_of_clubs.JPG|"Ace of Clubs" ~ Megan's original design for [[Patti-chan]], until Chris stole the design.
Image:Megyoshimitsu1.jpg|[[wikipedia:Yoshimitsu (Namco)|Yoshimitsu]]<ref>http://www.tekkenforces.com/fanart/fanartgmegimitsu.php#a</ref>
Image:Megyoshimitsu2.jpg|Yoshimitsu
</gallery></center>

===Art of Megan===
<center><gallery>
Image:Sonichu07-P03.jpg
Image:Sonichu07-P04.jpg
Image:Sonichu07-P05.jpg|KINDA OF A [[Dragon Ball Z|GOKU-GET-EM]] ATTITUDE. :)
Image:ShecameforCWC (200803).JPG|THAT IS NOT CRYSTAL.
Image:129-ChrisChanMegtune.jpg
Image:305-ACMegan.jpg
Image:306-ACMeganBck.jpg
Image:307-MegSch.jpg
Image:311-RedDarkMeggician.jpg
Image:312-PeanutsMegan.jpg|Another [[wikipedia:Schroeder (Peanuts)|Schroeder]].
File:ModNation GalPal.jpg|He just can't let go...
File:Lego - 24 September 2013.jpeg|Lego minifig
File:Lego2 - 24 September 2013.jpeg
File:Lego3 - 24 September 2013.jpeg

</gallery></center>

===Miscellaneous===
<center><gallery>
Image:323-MegansDarkChao.JPG
</gallery></center>

==References==
{{CWCipedia|chris=Megan Schroeder}}
<references />

{{-}}
{{MeganSaga}}
{{People}}
{{Love quest}}

{{DEFAULTSORT:Schroeder, Megan}}
[[Category:Gal pals]]
[[Category:The GAMe PLACe]]
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[[Category:Megan Saga|*]]

CWC only accepts IN-PERSON FEMALE Encounters

2013-09-25T09:56:23Z

Champthom: "Retarded" is too subjective, someone watching the video can see it's retarded or not.

After a two-week silence (and video purge), [[Chris-chan]] posts a brand new video called '''IN-PERSON FEMALE Encounters''', saying that he will not accept any encounters with 18-(insert his age here) females, unless it's in real life. Same [[Chris and race|racist]] requirements apply. Afterwards, he displays a stinging [[random-access humor|comical wit]] that even [[homos|Oscar Wilde]] himself would be enamored of, and left him in such demand with the ladies.

{{quote| Simple as that; I will not accept any e-mails or phone calls; ONLY REAL LIFE ENCOUNTERS. So, if you are a True, Honest, Caring (18-27-year old, smoke-free, non-black) Woman, who desires at least a pleasant conversation with me ;) , you'll have to be living in Virginia and press your luck on a Chance Encounter.

With that statement aside, a new piece of comical wit after the music; laugh it up.|Video description}}

==Video==

{{Infobox/video
| name = CWC only accepts IN-PERSON FEMALE Encounters
| video = {{#ev:youtube|0GstQFra2D0}}
| stardate = 19 [[May 2009]]
| style = {{Reason|text}}, {{Comedy|text}}, {{Rage|text}}
| shirt = {{StraightWhiteLinesShirt|text}}
| previous = [[Keep CWC's Wikipedia Up]]
| next = [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 22nd, 2009]]
}}
{{quote|I am still a single, legitimate, eligible male.}}

=== Transcript ===

I wish to make a, uh, general statement for I—uh, some of the comical wit. [''inhales deeply, followed immediately by a jump cut'']

Granted, now, I am ''still'' a single, legitimate, eligible male. I still am lookth—I still am looking for an 18-27 year-old, [[tobacky|smoke-free]], non-[[alcohol]]ic, non-[[niggos|black]] woman. But most importantly, she's gotta be caring, true, and honest. [''an empty annotation box appears around Chris's upper body, revealing "IN-PERSON CHANCE ENCOUNTERS ONLY, LADIES." when hovered over'']

[jump cut to [[homos|"I Love the Nightlife"]] playing loudly in the background]

So, if there are any true, caring, honest women… ''not'' any trolls… that wish to, uh, look me up and, uh, schedule a date, you'll have to, uh, find me in person. [''an annotation appears, reading "NO CALLS OR E-MAILS! FIND ME IN PERSON, COME SAY HEY, AND BE LUCKY."''] And, also, it'll have to be a chance meeting… in which—on that case, I will ''not'' be accepting any phone calls… [''removes [[glasses]] dramatically''] or e-mails. So… you'll just have to try to press your—you'll just have to press your luck on, uh, [[chris and reality|getting a date with me]]. So, that's just the way life is. [''dances a wiggle dance'']

[''jump cut to the music no longer playing'']

So, now, with that, uh, note aside, uh, I wish to, uh, c—uh, commute the, uh, new comical wit of which I have just created today.

[''begins singing a song of his own creation, providing lyrics through annotations'']

<blockquote>“Oh, I'm single and lonely, and possibly a bit horny. 
But that ain't fit for a "Droll" "Sit-chee-ation", so now I'll just make it corny.”</blockquote>

[''replaces glasses on face''] I laugh at you, you stupid [[trolls]]. ''Die!'' [''raises eyebrows dramatically'']

Peace.

==Fan videos==
{{Infobox/Fanvideo
| name = Christian Weston Chandler is a stalker!
| video = {{#ev:youtube|MW1wggtXTW8}}
| maker = MadcrazeTV
| stardate = 6 [[June 2009]]
}}

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[Keep CWC's Wikipedia Up]]|nextlink=[[Captain's Log, Stardate May 22nd, 2009]]|}}
{{Sweetheart Videos}}

[[Category:Videos Christian uploaded to YouTube]]

[[Category:Chris-chan videos, May 2009| 2009-05-19]]

Template talk:Love quest

2013-09-18T10:15:17Z

Champthom: Created page with "Very nice to see someone jazzed this up with an image, this could easily be done with similar templates though it's not required. Good ingenuity to whoever thought it up.--~~~~"

Very nice to see someone jazzed this up with an image, this could easily be done with similar templates though it's not required. Good ingenuity to whoever thought it up.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:15, 18 September 2013 (PDT)

Love Quest

2013-09-18T10:14:04Z

Champthom: The images should be quoted as plaintext so if you're some lamer who can't load images, you can still read what's going on. This whole paragraph is a clusterfuck. I don't know where to start.

{{quote|I DO NOT KNOW WHY I would expect ANY woman to be Attracted to me, IN PUBLIC...|Chris, in a [[White knight e-mails#September 2008 — Chris denies being fat and sexist|sudden moment of clarity]]<ref>[[White_knight_E-mails#September_2008_.E2.80.9]]</ref>.}}

{{quote|... except for the fact that I am Handsome|Well, so much for that.}}

[[Image:Chris-Chan Warrior of Love.jpg|thumb|How Chris views himself.]]
[[File:461-AutismFight.jpg|thumb|Chris must fight [[autism]] in order to enter the Valley of [[China]].]]
[[Image:Christever Alone.png|thumb|Accurate depiction of Chris.]]

The '''Love Quest''' or '''Sweetheart Search'''<ref>[[Common Questions]]</ref><ref>[[Lori Lopez]]</ref><ref>[[Miyamoto emails]]</ref> is the ongoing, real-life [[saga]] of [[Christian Weston Chandler]] to obtain a girlfriend. The stated purpose of the Love Quest is to meet the woman who will be his true love, solve all his problems and bear his children. However, Chris believes all of this will be assured upon his first successful [[Chris and sex|sexual intercourse]] with a woman, and so for all practical purposes the true goal is to lose his virginity.

Chris is known to have had crushes on girls prior to [[2002]], but the Love Quest represents a focused effort to do everything in his power to achieve romantic fulfillment, except improve himself. He has often linked the Love Quest with what he claims to be visions from [[GodJesus]] commanding him to father [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|a daughter]], as well as his desire to prove that he is straight; at times these seem to be the only actual reasons Chris wants a lover.

To this day, the Love Quest is ongoing, with Chris (unsurprisingly) not having made any progress whatsoever in finding a romantic partner. He has [[Facebook|claimed]] to have enjoyed partial success to the extent of losing his virginity. However, as with other [[Honor roll|achievements Chris claims to possess]], it is still the subject of debate.
==Origins==
===Background===
[[Image:104-GirlfriendAttract.jpg|thumb|right|Spell cards don't work IRL, Chris.]]
The catalyst for the Love Quest was Christian's encounter with [[Sarah Hammer]] during his move back to [[Ruckersville]], and enrollment at the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]]. This occurred somewhere between [[2000#June|June 2000]] and [[2003#October|October 2003]].

Sarah is presumably the first woman to tell the ever-[[naïve]] Christian, "[[So Need a Cute Girl|I have a boyfriend]]." Chris unexpectedly learned that his childhood [[gal-pal]] was romantically involved with [[Wes Iseli]].<ref>[[Story of My Current Days]]</ref> Upon making this discovery, he quickly developed an intense jealousy of Iseli and resentment towards him that would set his state of mind for the impending Quest.

Throughout [[2003]], Chris passively expressed his mix of longing and disappointment by way of "[[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]]" and "[[BFF's (Best Friends Forever)]]". It is clear that Chris had at some point decided Sarah was supposed to be his soulmate (although perhaps not until he learned she was unavailable) and had difficulty accepting that this would not be a possibility. In [[2005]], following Sarah's breakup with Iseli and hookup with [[William Spicer]], he dealt with the situation more openly and publicly in [[Sonichu 2|''Sonichu'' #2]]. (This acceptance perhaps stemmed from his turn to a new object of infatuation - see the [[Megan]] section below.)

===Epiphany===
According to Chris, the genesis of the Love Quest was his twenty-first birthday, 24 February [[2003]].<ref>Chris misspoke the year as [[2002]] in [[Captain's Log, Stardate November 7th, 2007|this video]], but he has elsewhere consistently referenced his 21st birthday, which was in 2003.</ref> On this date, he was kicked out of his [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|college]] English class after a dispute with his teacher. (In his [[User:ChrisChanSonichu_profile#Start_of_my_Sweetheart_Search|Wikipedia biography]], Chris claimed the teacher ejected him simply on account of his [[autism]], when asked about it again later by a "girlfriend", he does add that it may have had something to do with some remarks he made about fellow classmates and non-white people<ref>[[Jackie Chat 5]], starting at 7:45 PM</ref>). While waiting for his next class, Chris sat and cried his eyes out, realizing there was no one to comfort him like when he cried at his [[Manchester High School#Graduation|graduation]]. Shortly thereafter, he resolved that he needed a girlfriend.<ref>[[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile#Start of my Sweetheart Search]]</ref>

Presumably the connection between these events is that Chris felt hurt and ostracized by his punishment, leading him to recognize his need for someone who would appreciate him unconditionally. However, Chris further states that the Love Quest ''officially'' began in [[2003#August|August 2003]]<ref>[[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile#Enter the Wicked Witch of the Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens]]</ref>, suggesting that he waited six months to actually execute his plans out of sheer laziness.

===Salad days===
At some point early on in the Quest, Chris developed an intense, socially crippling [[Noviophobia|fear]] that all women have boyfriends. Since his [[autism]] causes him to approach social tasks in the bluntest manner possible, it can be assumed that his initial approach was to walk up to women cold, and frankly ask if they would go out with him. It may be further inferred that Chris's unrelenting persistence made it extremely difficult for a woman he liked to get rid of him, short of claiming to have a boyfriend. In any case, Chris quickly lost nearly all of his confidence in talking to women and developed an irrational hatred of boyfriends, or "[[JERKS]]" (i.e., all men everywhere except himself and his [[Bob Chandler|father]]). Since this time, he has always specified that his potential girlfriend must be a [[boyfriend-free girl]] (sometimes "single, boyfriend-free girl"), as if this were not already obvious.

==Conflict with Mary Lee Walsh==
[[Image:136-LoveSearchItems.jpg|thumb|Miscellaneous items used during the Love Quest, or as the Commonwealth of Virginia will eventually call it, Exhibit A.]]
[[Image:134-cwcsonstecrdgirlbck.jpg|thumb|Back of a ''Sonichu'' business card.]]
{{main|Mary Lee Walsh}}

By [[October 2003]], Chris had put into practice what was "the only sensible idea I could come up with that was inexpensive": sitting on the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] campus holding a sign that read "I am a 21-Year Old Male, seeking an 18-21-Year Old Single Female Companion." This would be the first of many versions of the [[Attraction Sign]], a vital tool in the Love Quest for several years to come.

Sometime during October, the school's Dean of Student Services, [[Mary Lee Walsh]], confronted Chris and confiscated his sign. According to Chris's recollection of the event:

{{quote|Then in Mid-October, the Quote/Unquote "Dean of Student Services", Mary Lee Walsh, approached me and pulled my sign away from me and told me, "You're NOT ALLOWED TO FIND TRUE LOVE HERE." [[Heart level|MY HEART WAS SHATTERED]] that very moment.|CWC's [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile#Enter the Wicked Witch of the Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|Wikipedia biography]], 3 May 2009}}

What is far more likely to have occurred is this: Walsh probably decided Chris was making a nuisance of himself and asked him what he thought he was doing; Chris probably delivered a big confusing monologue (possibly with a song and dance) about seeking true love; and Walsh then likely dismissed the substance of Chris's response with "You can't do that here." Walsh's point of contention was undoubtedly just the sign, but over the years Chris has demonized her into a brutal harpy whose sole mission in life is to cockblock him.

Undaunted, Chris simply made a new sign, and a few weeks later Walsh confronted him again. In late [[January 2004]], Chris revised his strategy, leaving copies of the ''[[Sonichu's News Dash!]]'' newsletter strewn about campus, each one containing a single "personals ad" about himself. By [[February 2004|February]], Walsh had cracked down on Chris again, banning distribution of the ''News Dash!''.<ref>[[CWC's Diary]], [[February 2004|February 9, 2004]]</ref> In Chris's own words:

{{quote|Then that B-Dog ripped up my notes and all, dragged me to her quarters and talked down to me very RUDELY AND HOARSELY. I reacted with my own attack that she had been asking for the whole time. I was kicked out of PVCC for a year, and I had to take an [[anger]] management course and see a [[Chris and psychology|psychiatrist]] for a while.|CWC's [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile#Enter the Wicked Witch of the Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|Wikipedia biography]], 3 [[May 2009]]}}

The extent of the "attack" Chris made against Walsh, whether it was physical or just a [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha]], is unknown, although it would have had to have been something pretty serious to get him suspended from PVCC ''and'' forced to undergo counseling. The timing of the incident is also unclear, since Chris has cited 16 [[September 2004]] as the date of his suspension.<ref>[[CWC's Diary]], September 16, 2004</ref>

==Conflicts with Jerkops==
By [[August 2004]], Chris had expanded his quest to other [[Attraction Location]]s besides PVCC, such as [[Charlottesville Fashion Square]]. It was here that he attempted a new tactic, inspired by ''[[Excel Saga]]'': laying a [[Red String of Fate]] across the mall floor. This inevitably led to a confrontation with mall security, making this Chris's first recorded encounter with the [[Jerkops]].<ref>[[CWC's Diary]], August 2004</ref>

By [[September 2004|September]], Chris had somehow learned that loitering in public places with a sign advertising his services as a boyfriend made it look like he was "trying to sell [him]self like a new car," but he still managed to miss the point and believe this was something he could work to his advantage. He continued to have confrontations with mall security until 11 September 2004, when he was arrested, handcuffed, and forbidden from entering the mall without one of his parents. With both of his Attraction Locations denied to him, Chris became more lonely and depressed than usual. In his diary he expressed an interest in asking "Santa Clause" for a girlfriend. According to e-mails leaked by [[Jackie]], Chris was completely serious and believed in Santa until he was ''24''.<ref>[[CWC's Diary]], September 2004</ref>

==Anna McLerran==
[[Image:0694-AnnaBD8.JPG|thumb|''Too bad she's a lesbian.'']]
{{main|The Tale Of The Crazy Pacer}}
At some point in 2004 Chris had expanded his activities in the mall, including:

* Pacing around a lot, playing videos on his Game Boy Advance SP.
* Shouting at walls, or "singing random songs from memory now and then".

He was apparently infamous to [[Anna McLerran]] and her friends by the time he finally worked up the nerve to enter the store where Anna worked to strike up a conversation with her. Anna handled herself as politely as she could while having zero interest in this idiot's pathetic romantic overtures, and apparently convinced him that she was off the market.

Despite becoming one of Chris's closest friends, Anna would later document the 2004 incident in a [[2006]] blog post, confirming that, despite whatever good qualities she sees in Chris, deep down she knows he's a few hedgehogs short of a [[Chaotic Combo]].

==Hanna==
On 29 [[March 2005]] Chris (who had somehow regained full access to the mall) momentarily believed his prayers had been answered when he was approached by [[Hanna]], a girl who worked at the local [[Wikipedia:Starbucks|Starbucks]]. She invited Chris to have coffee with her. Chris quickly overreacted to this sudden reversal of fortune, calling his mother and showing Hanna his entire [[Sonichu Scrapbook|''Sonichu'' scrapbook]].

[[Anna McLerran]] later informed Chris that Hanna was simply trolling him for the [[lulz]]. In shock, Chris confronted Hanna and, when she admitted the truth, ran away screaming "NOOOOOOOOOO!", exactly like they do in movies. The entire incident was a crippling blow to Chris's self-esteem and the kind of thing that would be embarrassing for anyone. He also apparently made enough of a scene to get himself [[banned]] from the mall again. Subsequently, Chris dramatized the whole story in [[Sub-Episode 2|the comic]], where he was able to get the last word in exactly the way he could not in real life.

==Conflicts with [[Manajerks]]==
Around [[June 2005]], with the mall becoming a more difficult place to pick up chicks, Chris turned to his local [[Mal-Wart|Wal-Mart]], where he would go to the in-store [[McDonald's]], set up his sign and various nerd amusements, and wait around for hours. On 20 June 2005 Chris was confronted by the men he identified as [[B-Manajerk]] and [[Merried Seinor Comic]], who took issue with his sign and called the police on him. Chris hid the sign, effectively avoiding criminal charges, but he was banned from the McDonald's. He interpreted this to mean he was not banned from the Wal-Mart, however.

On 22 June Chris again came into conflict with the B-Manajerk over his [[Pixelblock]] sculptures, and the conflict drew the attention of the [[W-M-Manajerk]]. According to Chris, the Wal-Mart manager attempted to reason with him...

{{quote|But I sat silent for a minute, then I said to him, “I do not speek [''sic''] to any Man other than myself, because [[JERKS|they]] all have taken all the pretty girls leaving me with none.” Verbal Combat had started, and during the fight, I ran off, still giving verbal punishment, as well as da finger, and many “[[Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha]]s.” I nearly backed up onto him with [[Son-Chu|my car]], and I gave him another finger. Then I dashed off.|[[CWC's Diary#June 2005|CWC's Diary]], 22 [[June 2005]]}}

In [[July 2005|July]], Chris relocated to the newly-opened [[Charlottesville]] [[Get-Tar Region|Target]], where he quickly found himself in trouble for loitering once again. Chris refused to leave at first. When store employees returned with [[Jerkops|police officers]] (including [[Bagget]]), Chris offered to leave if they would listen to a prepared speech. According to Chris's account of the incident, five officers then jumped on him and [[Wikipedia:hogtie|hogtied]] him without provocation; in reality, it's more likely that they saw he would not surrender and tried to arrest him peacefully, and he resisted to the point that they had to completely subdue him out of fear of his 'tard rage.

In the dramatization of these events in [[Sonichu 4|''Sonichu'' #4]], the jerkops need nothing short of a giant robot to capture Chris, and [[Sister|his twin sister]] rescues him so that they can destroy the jerkops' entire operation, which of course is commanded by [[Mary Lee Walsh]] from [[PVCC]].

Chris has said that he was eventually cleared of all criminal charges related to the dispute at [[Target]]. It was apparently at this point that [[Barb|his mother]], in a dazzling display of parental guidance, informed him about two years too late that the [[Attraction Sign]] made him look [[Slow-in-the-minds|retarded]].

==Megan Schroeder==
[[Image:ChrisAndMeganUnpixelated.jpg|thumb|''Boyfriend-free no more!'']]
[[File:Rap.PNG|thumb|You gonna get raped.]]
Chris met [[Megan Schroeder]] in the summer of [[2005]] and was immediately attracted by such qualities as [[China|her gender]], [[Boyfriend-free girl|her lack of a boyfriend]] and her willingness to talk to him for more than five minutes (although she compliments him for tolerating ''her''). In Chris's mind Megan was already destined to be his sweetheart, and the only thing left to do was convince Megan to accept this truth. The Love Quest was effectively on hold from this time until [[March 2008]]. All of Chris's writings during this time demonstrate that he believed he was already in a monogamous relationship with Megan and further Sweetheart Searching was largely unnecessary.

Aside from Megan's complete disinterest in romance with Chris, the relationship suffered other stumbling blocks, such as Megan's discomfort at Chris showering her with gifts; Megan's outrage over Chris's sexual harassment, hatred of men, and rampant homophobia; Megan's unwillingness to share a [[Megan_Emails,_Aug-Dec_2007#Megan_is_annoyed_and_creeped_out|hypothetical hotel room]] with Chris; and Megan's discovery that Chris had to [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|draw himself fingerbanging her]] to suppress his fantasies of assaulting and raping her. Even though she reacted as any normal human being would in the same situation, he was still shocked that she "broke up" with him and thought that all he had to do was say "I'm sorry" as much as possible.

Encyclopedia Dramatica did not ruin Chris's relationship with Megan, but Chris's obsession with defeating ED definitely did, since his attempt to blow ED's mind by posting his [[Rule 34]] drawings caused her to discover what a deranged individual he truly is and break off all contact with him. Chris totally missed the point about the fingerbanging picture, believing that its continued presence on ED was the issue, and not the fact that he drew it in the first place. This contributed to his drive to shut the site down for much of 2008, until people on the [[Internet]] figured out the simplest way to troll him...
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==Internet Love Quest==
[[File:Personalprofile.jpg|thumb|Chris's image from [[The Hook Cafe|''The HooK'' Café]] profile.]]

After becoming an infamous lolcow thanks to his edit war with ED, Chris began to receive unexpected attention from attractive single women who loved his comics and totally weren't just looking to troll him. Since then, Chris has taken his Love Quest onto the Internet, proclaiming that his TRUE and HONEST sweetheart is whichever girl he's managed to pin down. Chris, or someone impersonating Chris, has at one point attempted appealing to [http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080804202349AA80xDL Yahoo! Answers] on how a [[Chris|"lonesome fella"]] can attract a boyfriend-free girl, going as far as mentioning his previous [[Attraction Sign|tactics]] and even asking his answerer to be his sweetheart.

With each sweetheart he meets online Chris follows a predictable pattern, demonstrating what he had always intended to do with any woman he met in real life. He begins with a series of proclamations of his TRUE and HONEST love, and then begins planning out how the woman will travel to his home. Chris professes to believe in the rule that sex is out of the question until the [[third date]], but since he expects every romantic encounter to end in total success he makes it clear - in as gentlemanly a fashion as he can manage - that he expects sex at the woman's earliest convenience. Amazingly, as each successive Internet gal pal proves to be a [[troll]], Chris becomes more devoted to the next one, to the point that within a month of meeting Ivy online he began planning his marriage to a woman he had never even seen face-to-face.

When addressing the question of why Chris readily takes each new troll at face value, his own mindset must be taken into consideration. Chris's prospects of finding a girl locally are virtually zero, and he knows this. At the same time, the Internet seems (from his point of view) to be an endless cavalcade of single, attractive women who are fascinated with him, making it an irresistible resource in his Love Quest. By now Chris is fully aware that each woman he meets online ''could'' be a troll, but each time he readily accepts evidence that she is not and dismisses out of hand any suggestion that she is. He does this because he ''wants'' to believe she's real; the alternative is to surrender to despair.

==Returning to real life==
[[Image:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|''The [[Internet]] is so yesterday, Love Quest is always in.'']]
In Chris's final chat with [[Sarah May]] from early March 2009, he claimed that he planned to give up looking for a [[sweetheart]] online, and return to searching for a girl in local [[Charlottesville]]. [[Trolls]] everywhere rejoiced, for this could only mean one thing - a return to the fabled [[Attraction Sign]] and the days of his exploits against the [[Jerkops]] and his other IRL misadventures.

This effort only lasted so long, however. Chris's first attempt at a real-life date, with [[Emily]], ended in tragedy (for him) after the intervention of the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]]. During the brief [[Rollin' and Trollin']] era in the early summer of 2009, Chris was allegedly spotted prowling Charlottesville Fashion Square in his ''[[Guitar Hero]]: Metallica'' tattoo sleeves, but it wasn't long before he gave up and retreated back to the Internet.

In late [[October 2009]], after a long hiatus, the [[sweetheart]] cycle began again, with the advent of the incredibly disturbing [[I Love You Kacey]]. Chris initially found success in his campaign to pry Kacey away from her current boyfriend, [[Liquid Chris]], even managing to meet her in person on multiple occasions. Later, though, the relationship collapsed under the weight of Chris's bizarre and disturbing behavior.

The opening months of [[2010]] saw Chris land himself in romantic misadventures both in reality and online. He managed to pry himself out of his room for a while and in the process meet a real person, [[The Wallflower]]. Like Megan, however, she rebuffed all his attempts at a more-than-friendly relationship, and eventually cut off all contact with him. Meanwhile, one of his [[The Hook Cafe|online personal ads]] led to an [[Jackie e-mails|extended conversation]] with another potential sweetheart, but Chris tripped over his duck long before he ever got a chance to meet "Jackie" in real life.

Chris maintains a profile on OKCupid, but does not seem to have visited in several months. His OKCupid profile is about what you would expect in terms of portraying himself and demanding what he expects from the girl in the relationship.

==Beyond the 'Net==
Chris's stated ambition to [[100 2189|leave the Internet forever]] suggests that he may return to looking for love in the real world. His visit to the Charlottesville [[Fridays After Five]] event in June 2010 featured a drastically shortened version of the old Attraction Sign scrawled across the front of his [[muscle bra|sports bra]].

Whether he'll stick with this approach remains to be seen, however. He has never been able to stay away from the Internet for long, and it's hard to imagine that his current strategy for pulling girls in real life will work out very well for him.

Despite this, Chris believed he had found another way to attract females, this time via the [[Flipnote Hatena]], which is (despite being accessed on a DSi) still on the internet. Between 17 June and 2 July 2010, Chris ignored Flipnote Hatena's "family friendly" policies and attempted to use it like a dating site. A lot of Chris's tags towards the female members were flirtatious to a point, and he even [[For Women ONLY|made a Flipnote]] calling out to every woman he had tagged or tagged him. However, despite the trolls swarming in to attack, non-troll responses were made by girls he tagged, [[pedofork|most of whom were in their tweens to early teens]].

==Fuck Side Quest Completed==

On 12 April 2012, the following status message from Chris's [[Facebook]] was leaked:

[[File:Virginbreaker.png]]

Given the short time it took for them to meet and do the nasty (in ''her'' room, no less), her comparing him to her last partner and [[Lie|telling him what he wants to hear]] about his [[Duck|dick]], and the extremely telling fact that Chris does not consider her a sweetheart (saying his 'sweetheart-to-be' will find out about this), it seems rather plausible. In retrospect, it makes a [[Hooker_incident|certain statement]] he made to a certain [[Clyde Cash|troll]] all the more hilarious, where he states that him getting a hooker would not be the ideal way for his "Love Quest" to end.

Considering Chris' [[Lie|track record for telling the truth, however...]]

==Promotional Images==
During his Love Quest, Chris produced some "sexy" pictures to attract the ladies. Needless to say, it had the opposite effect.

<center>
<gallery>
Image:0773-CWC23.JPG|You'll never guess what I just swallowed.
Image:0775-CWCCDPose.JPG|[[Sonic the Hedgehog|Way past cool!]]
Image:0776-CWCGuitar.JPG|Shredding some hot licks on my [[Guitar|gitar]]!!
Image:0777-CWConbed.JPG|10/10 Would bang.
Image:0778-CWCPin.JPG|Staring at the [[Sailor Moon poster]] while tanning.
Image:0779-CWCREAR.JPG|Baby got back!
Image:0780-CWCrelax.JPG|Are you craving my delicious inner thighs?
Image:0781-CWCspdbed.JPG|I've been waiting for you...
</gallery>
</center>

==See also==
*[[Attraction images]]
*[[Chris and sex]]
*[[Hard Love Quest]]
*[[Sweetheart]]
*[[Story of My Current Days]]

== Sources ==
<references/>
{{Love quest}}
{{CWC-isms}}

[[Category:Love quest]]
[[Category:CWC-isms]]

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2013-09-13T14:47:27Z

Champthom: A bit on the A-Logging side

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A photo of [[14 Branchland Court]] on 7 [[September 2013]].

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2013-09-09T15:16:46Z

Champthom: /* For Pete's sake */

Mal-Wart

2013-09-09T15:14:12Z

Champthom: Let Chris speak for himself - we don't need to point out it's a shitty anagram, it should be obvious. Also no need to reference foot fungus, it's a poor attempt at humor.

{{quote|But I sat silent for a minute, then I said to [[W-M-Manajerk|him]], “I do not speek [''sic''] to any Man other than myself, because [[JERKS|they]] all have taken all the pretty girls leaving me with none.” Verbal Combat had started, and during the fight, I ran off, still giving verbal punishment, as well as da finger, and many “[[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Has]].” I nearly backed up onto him with my [[car]], and I gave him another finger. Then I dashed off.|[[CWC's Diary#June 2005|CWC's Diary]], 22 [[June 2005]]}}

[[Image:Walmart Charlottesville.jpg|thumb|Charlottesville Wal-Mart branch]]
[[Image:Ruckersville.jpg|thumb|(Top left in blue text) The site of the new [[Ruckersville]] Wal-Mart]]
[[File:Malwart.JPG|Close, but no [[Tobacky|cigar]].|thumb]]
'''Mal-Wart''' is [[Chris]]'s anagram for [[Wikipedia:Wal-Mart|Wal-Mart]] in his [[comic]]s.

==Love Quest==
[[File:Chris 09.jpg|thumb|Chris at Mal-Wart on 3 or 4 [[September 2011]].]]
In [[June 2005]] the [[Charlottesville]] Wal-Mart served as an [[Attraction Location]] for Chris's never ending [[Love Quest]]. Chris would go to the in-store [[McDonald's]], set up his stuff, and wait around for hours.

On 22 June 2005 Chris was confronted by the men he identified as [[B-Manajerk]] and [[Merried Seinor Comic]], who took issue with his [[Attraction Sign]] and called the [[jerkops]] on him. Chris hid the sign and denied that he had it, but he was banned from entering the Wal-Mart anyway. However, Chris interpreted this to mean he was only banned from the McDonald's he was in at the time.

On 25 June, Chris attempted again to loiter and came into conflict with the B-Manajerk over his [[Pixelblock]] sculptures. The conflict drew the attention of the [[W-M-Manajerk]]. When the Wal-Mart manager attempted to reason with him, Chris ran away, almost hitting the manager with his car. He would later gloat about this.

Chris would return to Wal-Mart in [[October 2009]], forcing one of the female employees to measure him for a [[sports bra]].

Unfortunately, they decided to build a new store right next door to him in [[Ruckersville]],<ref>[http://www.nbc29.com/global/story.asp?s=11501642 Wal-Mart Breaks Ground In Ruckersville]</ref> which opened on 18 [[August 2010]].<ref>[http://walmartstores.com/pressroom/news/10185.aspx Ruckersville Walmart Associates Welcome Customers to New Store]</ref> In the [[Jackie e-mails]] Chris said he was looking to apply here. Look forward to many more overweight [[autistic]] loitering and soliciting, [[jerkop]]-related [[lulz]] and mishaps, and eventual bannings & restraining orders. Chris drove past the new Wal-Mart on his [[DayOut|day out]] in [[October 2010]].

==References in the comic==
Chris chronicles his expulsion from Wal-Mart in ''[[Sonichu 3#Sub-Episode 4: Christian Chandler in "McAttack"|Sonichu #3, Sub-Episode 4]]''. In Chris's fantasy world, instead of being asked to leave nicely, he is confronted by B-Manajerk and Merried Seinor Comic and instead of whatever verbal exchange that may have actually occurred Chris fights the [[Manajerks]] as Super [[Chris-Chan Sonichu]] alongside [[Darkbind]]. It's impossible to discern what actually happened, but because of Chris's refusal to leave, or stay away, the Wal-Mart Regional Manager appears on the scene as W-M-Manajerk.

These events are reprinted in ''[[Sonichu 4#Sub-Episode 5: Christian Chandler in "McAttack part 2"|Sonichu #4, Sub-Episode 4 part 2]]'' were the fight between Chris and W-M-Manajerk continues. Chris's interpretation of the events take a huge departure from reality. To battle W-M-Manajerk Chris uses his pixel block [[Heart Torch]] to summon his identical twin sister [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal Weston Chandler]] (not to be confused with his future daughter, doubly named [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal Weston Chandler]]). After a bizarre display of super powers and some long, boring speeches, Chris wins and buys Crystal lunch.

B-Manajerk, Merried Seinor Comic and W-M-Manajerk all reappear in [[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] as part of the [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens]].

==Job application==
Having been prompted by [[Jackie]], Chris applied for work at Wal-Mart in [[October 2010]], or at least said he did.<ref>[[Jackie Chat 7]]</ref> It is presumed that his application did not result in a position being offered to him.

==Banished from the region==
Chris was banned from [[Ruckersville]] Wal-Mart in September [[2013]] after vandalising an Xbox One sign to read "[[HEXbox]] One" with a permanent marker. <ref>[[Facebook#Chris_Expresses_His_Outrage_for_Walmart]]</ref>

==See also==
*[[Get-Tar Region]]
*[[The GAMe PLACe]]

==Sources==
<references/>

{{Places}}
{{CWCverse}}
[[Category:Attraction Locations]]

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2013-09-09T15:12:30Z

Champthom: Gotta link to Wal Mart, so people know that Chris has a history involving Wal Mart.

{{quote|I have just been intercepted by the "Lady" [[Manajerk]], [REDACTED]; the bitch has followed the steps of Mr. Snyder now; banned me from the [[Mal-Wart|Wal-Mart]] closest to my own house. She obviously does not understand how [[Love Quest|critical and imperative it is for me to go there.]] I Shop for my Mother from there; it is Closer than the one in Charlottesville; GAS IS EXPENSIVE!!! She has crossed his line, and now I am out for [[Metal Gear|revengence]]. Everyone should contact her at her email address of [REDACTED], and remind her that no one is to mess with an [[Chris|Autistic Person]] when they are in a [[stress|depressed, sad, angry or foul mood]], especially with the online reputation that was dragged through the worst [[ED|mud]], [[CWCki|muck]] and [[semen|bodily fluids]] that said Autistic Person has.. |Chris, [[Facebook#Chris_Expresses_His_Outrage_for_Walmart|6 September 2013 Facebook post]].}}
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2013-09-09T15:10:43Z

Champthom:

{{quote|I have just been intercepted by the "Lady" [[Manajerk]], [REDACTED]; the bitch has followed the steps of Mr. Snyder now; banned me from the Wal-Mart closest to my own house. She obviously does not understand how [[Love Quest|critical and imperative it is for me to go there.]] I Shop for my Mother from there; it is Closer than the one in Charlottesville; GAS IS EXPENSIVE!!! She has crossed his line, and now I am out for [[Metal Gear|revengence]]. Everyone should contact her at her email address of [REDACTED], and remind her that no one is to mess with an [[Chris|Autistic Person]] when they are in a [[stress|depressed, sad, angry or foul mood]], especially with the online reputation that was dragged through the worst [[ED|mud]], [[CWCki|muck]] and [[semen|bodily fluids]] that said Autistic Person has.. |Chris, [[Facebook#Chris_Expresses_His_Outrage_for_Walmart|6 September 2013 Facebook post]].}}
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Facebook

2013-09-09T15:08:09Z

Champthom: CWCki:DATING - seriously, I slack off for a few months and all hell breaks loose, with people using improper dating formats. It's turning into Sodom and Gomorrah here, I tell you what.

{{Articleofthenow}}

[[Image:Facebook.jpg|center|300px]]
[[Image:cwc666.PNG|thumb|His friends list has hit the number of [[Clyde Cash|the Beast]].]]
'''Facebook''' is [[Chris]]'s other means of communication aside from [[MySpace]] on his [[Love Quest]]. While often looked over, his correspondence with these [[Trolls|e-women]] reveals that even on the Internet, he manages to convey that he is a fat [[autism|autistic]].

On 31 May 2009, Chris's Facebook was hacked, revealing notes and messages to [[boyfriend-free girls]] in the area in hopes of them becoming his [[sweetheart]]. He failed horribly of course, and [[the Miscreants]] showed us how hard.

Events in 2010 turned Chris firmly against the website. He blamed it in part for his breakup with [[the Wallflower]], and in November had some harsh words and gestures for it while announcing his [[100 2357.MOV|departure from the Internet]].

Sometime in mid 2011, his Facebook account was removed from the site. On 5 [[July 2011]], a new Facebook was discovered with a new picture of Chris. Two days later, his profile was deactivated.

On 2 [[January 2012]], Chris re-opened his Facebook account and uses it as his personal [[Attraction Sign|attraction sign]]. Since then, he has left occasional open notes for trolls and talked to his gal-pals, most frequently [[Anna]]. He also has an album dedicated to screenshots of the [[CWCki Forums]], proving that, although he has generally not associated with the trolls much throughout [[2012]], he still feels the need to [[Chris and his Ego|obsessively check what other people are saying about him on a regular basis]].

==Notes From The Man Himself==

{{Incomplete}}

===I am a good man===
{{quotebox|1=
Sunday, January 20, 2008 at 5:57pm

There are some cyber bullies who have taken my words and feelings out of context, and twisted them into meaningless mockery.

Please do not believe those terrible rumors; [[Twin Falling Towers|I am a good man]] who needs a female sweetheart to soothe my pains from loneliness, stress of social influences, and heart-aches.

Please help me, so I can help you one day.
}}

===The Common Question, "Do I know you?"===

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Sunday, January 20, 2008 at 9:49pm

When a person asks you, "Do I know you?", it brings up a greater answer. "I'm not a mind-reader, so I can't tell you how well you know me."
The question is dumb in itself; no one is able to answer it. Because no one can read their mind and answer it with full confidence.
}}

===Man I am SOOO SHY. "How Shy are you?" I am SOOO SHY, that...===

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Thursday, January 24, 2008 at 4:48pm

Today, Jan. 24, 2008, I was at the Alderman Library. I was playing Sudoku on my PSP, and I was listening in on this conversation between a couple of cute ladies just to my right. I've enjoyed just listening to them talk about their things; I will not devulge any details, because I am the man who will keep a secret (Plus, I don't know ALL the details). Anyway, after one of the two left, the gal that stayed sittin' next to me, talked on her cell in what sounded like Dutch or German. IT WAS THE PERFECT OPENING for a conversation towards making a new gal-pal. I had it in my head, "Pardon me, I couldn't help but overhear your chat on your phone, but was that Dutch or German you were speaking?" I HAD THE NERVE SET UP, I was raring to say it, but when I started to say it, the tension and my shyness and my autism choked me, literally; I couldn't even open my mouth to say anything. And she left. I am kicking myself now.

Anyway, THAT IS HOW SHY I AM; I am so shy, that I JUST FREEZE OR CHOKE upon starting to talk to a new girl I don't know yet.
}}

===What I am looking for in a woman===

(note: this note was posted on the same day [[Bob]] died)

{{quotebox|1=
Tuesday, September 6, 2011 at 1:23am

<nowiki>**</nowiki>Must Meet In-Person First and Upfront (NO Online/Phone/Mail Contact Acceptable beforehand. Must be Referred to me by my Real Friend(s) or Family).

-21 to 29-years old 
-Cute, Pretty, Beautiful, or HOT 
-Education: High School Graduate and/or Better 
-NOT A Smoker 
-Carefree/Light-Hearted 
-Moderate to Very Intelligent/Smart (Not Ditzy) 
-Talkative/Outgoing/Not Shy/Good Self-Esteem 
-Slim to Average body type (under 170 lbs) 
-Between 4 feet, 10 inches and 5 feet 10 inches 
-Brunette or Blonde hair 
-B-Cup size minimum 
-Clean 
-Casual 
-Not Crazy or Abusive 
-Make-Up Optional 
-Well-Informed to Expert in sex
}}

===Unsolicited Friend Requests===

{{quotebox|1=
Sunday, February 5, 2012 at 10:27pm

'''Unsolicited Friend Requests WILL BE DENIED AND DELETED,''' ESPECIALLY from ALL People I have '''NOT met IN PERSON, FACE-TO-FACE, Beforehand.'''
}}

===Shooting Myself in the Foot===

{{quotebox|1=
Saturday, March 31, 2012 at 1:34pm

I have often "shot myself in the foot" with great mistakes, including and especially, all of the mistakes I've made from letting myself be Blackmailed, Tricked, Deceived, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera, by immature individuals who hide behind the veil of the internet to create hate-filled slanders of my once good name; those people are nothing more than privacy-invading, [[My Little Pony|gum-gabbing, gossip columnists, working for a gravely corrupted, should-be-fired-for-good "editor in chief".]]
}}

===An Open Note===
{{quotebox|1=
Sunday, [[April 2012|April 1, 2012]] at 11:12pm

I want to make something very clear to everyone on [[the internet]]. The hatred against me for the sake of hatred is unjustifiable, and totally uncalled for. [[White Knights|You People Do Not Really give a damn about what happens to me]]. The ONLY person in this world who knows me most and Truly cares about me is [[Barbara Chandler|my mother]]. The Real Friends I have made throughout my lifetime In Person, FREE From the internet, have had the opportunity to know me for who I Truly Am, a [[Death_threats|Caring]], [[Chris_and_remorse|Compassionate]], all-around [[Twin_Falling_Towers|Good Person]]. Those people like me at the very least, NOT counting all of the deceitful people I have had the displeasure of knowing who [[Megan Schroeder|turned Coldest]] [[The Wallflower|Shoulder Against me]] and STARTED all of the Online Hatred. And the rest of you who have Not Met Me AT ALL and INSIST of friending me online; DO I KNOW YOU PEOPLE? NO, I do Not, and I do not think I will EVER want to meet the Vast Majority of you, because you all ONLY want to add further to the [[CWCki|Gabby Gossip Column full of hatred and uncaring content.]]

The ONLY person I have in the world who Cares about me the most is my mother, [[Barbara]], and outside of [[14 Branchland Court|this house]], I do not really have that many people to ANY person who Cares about me at all, even my relatives. NOBODY cares what happens to me and my mother. To the Majority of you, I pray the soul of [[Bob Chandler|my father]] gives you all nightmares, and may [[God]] have mercy on your souls.

You Do Not Really Care About Me, Christian Weston Chandler.
}}

===An Open Note (4/13/2012)===

(note: while it was once a public note, it has either been removed or set to private)

{{quotebox|1=
Friday, [[April 2012|April 13, 2012]] at 10:08pm

It is true, I, Christian Weston Chandler, have had sexual intercourse with a lovely woman Wednesday, April 4, 2012. There is nothing inconceivable about it from the lovely lady and I having the pleasant conversation, exchanging phone numbers, and the very pleasant experience between her and I behind the closed doors at her place. Penile/Vaginal intercourse, Cuddling and Blowing have all taken place.

[[Ego|I do not require any congratulations]] or communications towards any discussions of the details, because I will never tell the full story anywhere online, and certainly anyone I do not, and have not, known personally and In Person.

And to all who continue to pick on and torture me, this is one thing that will ONLY be in your own [[Lie|self-fabricated theories and fables]]; you will never get the full story. And your reign of terror will only result in mockery towards your own Troll/Cyber-Bully kind. You all have my pity towards your [[Chris and remorse|selfish]], [[CWC_Calls_Out_Three_Na%C3%AFve_YouTubers#CWC_Calls_Out_sonichuizcool|demoralizing]], [[28_October_2011#Aftermath|incriminating]], [[Virgin With Rage|lonely]], [[Chris and Anger|hate-for-hate's-sake-filled jealousy and hatred]], and whatever [[Autism|mental and emotional issues]] you each likely suffer from.

You Trolls, Get A Life.

Sincerely, 
Christian Weston Chandler 
4/13/2012
}}

===to @cogsdev from me, @CWCSonichu===

{{quotebox|1=
Monday [[April 2012|April 16, 2012]] at 4:21am

Heh. Heh. Heh. ;:j

I am watching YOU, foolish Cyber-Bullies. I LAUGH at your ill idiosyncratic discussions and [[Ego|thinking you all are better than me]]. If you are better, Why have you NOT Learned any Maturity for yourselves. It is wrong to continuously [[CWC_Calls_Out_Three_Na%C3%AFve_YouTubers#CWC_Calls_Out_sonichuizcool|laugh at people with a disability]], and their mistakes, because [[Chris and Reality|the tables turn on the laughing bully and troll]].

[[Chris_and_religion#Delusions_of_Godhood.3F|I am in your dreams]], haunting you for your aiding and abeting towards your sole hate-filled reasons, [[Chris and English|jealosies and lackluster purposes]] against me and my family and friends.

You ALL will pay for your Crimes and Sins of Cyber-Bullying the [[Virgin_with_rage#No_longer_a_virgin_.28no_word_on_the_rage.29|once innocent]] good people and myself. Changing your avatar and screen name and website are all useless, because I Can And Will Find YOU again and again, and I will continue to Laugh at you all and your immature idiosyncries.

HA HA HA.

<nowiki>**</nowiki>This note will be removed from here after being copied or screencapped.<ref>http://789chan.org/cwc/src/13346684418.jpg</ref>
}}

===Save and Keep Derpy Hooves Pony.===

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Wednesday, 25 April 2012 at 17:45

In my humble opinion, I actually like [[Wikipedia:List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters#Derpy|Derpy]] for her name, given I feel the new voice is an improvement; her name is still very cute. I take no offense whatsoever to the word. I first heard the word from [[Wikipedia:The Biggest Douche in the Universe|an episode]] of "[[South Park]]"; I thought it was only gibberish, and it was funny.

Derpy should still be a featured character, because let's face it, NOBODY, or NOPONY, is mentally perfect, and it is a character like Derpy here that makes us all aware of mental disabilities, great (low-functioning) or small (high-functioning) to tolerate them and help them towards better self-confidence, because [[Chris and reality|we ALL need to feel like we are capable of surviving in this world, community and all public and social situations.]]

I, Christian Weston Chandler, of [[Ruckersville]], VA, [[USA]], respect and like Derpy, and I encourage [[Wikipedia:Lauren Faust|Lauren Faust]], [[Wikipedia:Amy Keating Rogers|Amy Keating Rogers]], and the rest of the [[My Little Pony|MLP:FIM]] crew to keep her on WITH her name, and create an episode teaching tolerance.

Christian Weston Chandler.
April 25, 2012

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Chris later commented:

{{quotebox|1=
And what's more good, I have the Original Episode recorded as well from when it aired on [[Wikipedia:The Hub (TV channel)|the Hub]] on Janurary 21, 2012 on my DVR. I really like Derpy. Although I take back what I said about the new voice; the Original Voice IS Better.
}}

===I have decided===
{{quotebox|1=
Thursday, 26 [[April 2012]] at 19:35

The time is too great, and these qre grave desperate times. I am going to start going back to [[Charlottesville Fashion Square|Fashion Square Shopping Center]] in [[Charlottesville]], Virginia, WITH my sign and going into my [[Sweetheart Search]] with Full On Guns a Blazin'. I will be there on bi-daily starting this Saturday, April 27, 2012 fom 2:00 to 5:30 PM, EST. And I do not care Who shows up, and [[Mimms|Photographs]] are encouraged with gusto of the mall, me And my Sign on the [[Random-access humor|Hippo on my Head]].

I Welcome All.

Sincerely, 
Christian Weston Chandler 
April 25, 2012
}}

Chris later revised this note, with additions bolded.

{{quotebox|1=
The time is too great, and these qre grave desperate times. I am going to start going back to Fashion Square Shopping Center in Charlottesville, Virginia, WITH my sign and going into my Sweetheart Search with Full On Guns a Blazin'. I will be there on bi-daily '''(Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays) starting this Saturday, April 28, 2012''' fom 2:00 to 5:30 PM, EST. And I do not care Who shows up, and Photographs are encouraged with gusto of the mall, me And my Sign on the Hippo on my Head. '''(EVERYBODY has a Hippo on their head; it is called the Hippocampus)'''

I Welcome All.

Sincerely, 
Christian Weston Chandler 
April 25, 2012
}}

Chris later commented:

{{quotebox|1=
I meant the 28th; it was my mistake in judgment at the time of typing up this Note.}}

===Maniacal Laughter from Who now? Oh, wait, It Is ME! >8D===

On '''28 April 2012''', Chris posted in Facebook once again, declaring "victory" against the trolls. His reason for ego-tripping was his belief that he had fooled the trolls by announcing that he would come out in public with a new Attraction Sign, subsequently causing them confusion when he didn't show up. Unfortunately for Chris, he ends up making an utter jackass of himself with this post, both by confirming that he [[Chris and Anger|let the trolls get to him in the mall,]] resulting in a shouting match that got him thrown out, as well as basically admitting that his brilliant "revenge" involved him staying holed up in his room, something he does every single day of his life anyway. The delusion that he has "won" when in fact he's shot himself in the foot yet again is really staggering.

He also takes the time to issue [[Death_threats#Likelihood_of_Acting_Out_on_Death_Threats|idle death threats]] to his trolls at the end of his bellowing, almost as if he was desperate for people to take him seriously.

{{quotebox|1=

HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

You, ALL of YOU, Trolls and Cyber-Bullies, You all are SOO [[Chris and the Law|Fallible]], [[Jackie|Gullible]], [[Death_threat#Chris_as_recipient|Paranoia-Prone]], [[Chris and Fashion|Clownish]], [[14 Branchland Court|At the Bottom of the Heap]], [[Christian Weston Chandler|Stupid]] [[Tomgirl Pictures|FOOLS]]. For I, Christian Weston Chandler, have [[Chris and Reality|FOOLED the VAST Majority of You All]] (not counting those who have posted their own Suspicions). YES, YES, YES! I HAVE been reading your [[Christian Weston Chandler|comically inept]] and crackpot theoretical posts on your Forum. NOTHING IS Private to and of you fools. ;8j

To preface, I will enlighten your puny minds straightforward. I HAD no intention, purpose, or Ability to go to Fashion Square At All on today the 28th. Do you want to know why? OH, you all are soo impresionable. On the 31st of March, I was really having a bad day, what with the upcoming court date on the 4th of April and all. I was feeling very irritable then. I was walking the mall peacefully, but with the stress in my head. I answer a few calls from a troll or two, just to give you all a piece of my anger. Yes, Yes, LAUGH and SCOFF all you want. My answers were cursory and loud. Overheard, YES, I was chased by Jerkops. But I did not receive the yellow slip until the 25th of April that said, "BANNED". So, I later decided to pull a prank on YOU ALL. The elaborate Facebook Note; LETTING YOU ALL shoot yourselves in the foot more by Prank Calling the Mall, and their latest Manager, Mr. Weiner (his name was on the slip, next to "Manager"). I too scoff at his [[Pickle|small-sausage name.]] All I had to do was stay at home with doors locked, and let you all argue and fight it out. I read your posts and laughed and laughed at EVERYTHING you thought was true or what was false; theories and [[Honor roll|mistaken "facts".]]

You all THINK you know me, but you REALLY DO NOT, and You All JUST DO NOT, AND NEVER WILL, UNDERSTAND ME AT ALL. And as long as your Purpose of Knowing Me consists of that of Gossip Columnist or Worse, Trolling, Bullying, Cyber-Bullying, [[Megan|Abuse]], or anything of Malcontent, [[EXCLUSIVE_Manchester_High_School_2000_Reunion_Required_NOW|I Do NOT want you to Know Me EVER]].

In the END, you ALL have played Right Into My Hands, like me overlooking the battlefield and picking up/placing you all one by one into the BOMBING RANGE CENTER! I am a LOT more [[Slow-in-the-mind|INTELLIGENT]], [[Autism|WISE]] and [[Naive|KNOWLEDGEABLE]] than your puny minds can theorize; I am NOT STUPID, nor am I a moron. And you know what? [[Chris and Hypocrisy|YOU ALL Have MADE Me This Way; CRAZY and PARANOID with Loss of PEACE OF MIND.]]

I am [[Creepy stare|WATCHING]] each and every one of you Fallible Trolls, and [[Death_threats#Likelihood_of_Acting_Out_on_Death_Threats|REST-ASSURED]], [[Lie|I know where each of you live, and I am Coming After Each of You All!]]

YES, It was ME, and these posts WERE Real.

Sincerely,

Christian Weston Chandler

4/28/2012

<nowiki>**</nowiki>More Photos and Comments are in the appropriate Photo Album of mine, "[[Cwcki Forum ScreenCaps]]".
}}

===I am still Reading Your Posts, Suckas===
{{quotebox|1=Monday, 30 April 2012 at 01:41

And to quell one question. "[[JenkinsJinkies]]" "[[Trollin_Train#Hey.2C_Everyone.21_J.J._has_arrived._.28Thu_29_July_2010_12:19_AM.29|camp story]]"; FAKE as any of y'all's sarcastic responses. The idea for that pile of crap I typed just to [[Chris and Reality|convince y'all to believe]] originated from [[Family Guy|Peter Griffin]]'s Parrot; [[Wikipedia:Long John Peter|the episode]] Chris went out with the vet assistant. Polly repeated, "I had a gay experince at camp". [[Rollin' and Trollin'|PUNK'D!!!]]

[[File:Lucrid.jpg]]
}}

===Hey, Trollies===

Feeling the need to brag again, Chris posted on Facebook taunting the trolls that he wouldn't say a word about what he was up to...and ends up confirming that he got banned from the mall like a dumbass, lost his virginity to a hooker and went to a Mythbusters tour, [[Ego#Surrendering_Information|ironically divulging more about himself than anybody currently knew for the last few months.]]

{{quotebox|1=Tuesday, 1 [[May 2012]] at 5:53

You REALLY want to know what the Victory was for me on the Mall Prank? I'll spell it out for you in a nutshell. I got the BAN note THE DAY BEFORE I made the NOTE on me going back there. You fallible fools had NO PREVIOUS CLUE, neither from me, nor ANYONE or ANYWHERE else. IF you all had prior ban knowledge, Would You who have made the trip, MADE the trip? NO, you would not have. I KNEW THE CRITICAL DETAIL, and YOU ALL DID NOT; I Fooled You All.

And I'll tell you another thing, I DID Have [[Chris and sex|Sexual Intercourse]] with a Half-[[Cherokee]] Woman, but you all will never find out who. I'll give you an inkling; she's somewhere on the [[Wikipedia:Village Voice Media|backpage]].

You ALL think YOU KNOW ME; You REALLY DO NOT. I hold MORE information within myself that NONE of you will EVER KNOW. Like, MAYBE I went to a show starring the Hynamin recently. [[Lie|MAYBE I was ON STAGE for one of their demonstrations]]. MAYBE I got their autographs on my self-made [http://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Duct-Tape-Wallet duct-tape wallet]. MAYBE I do not have a duct-tape wallet. I will neither confirm or deny anything for YOU life-wrecking bastards.

I ain't tellin' ya nothing.

[[Autism|I use that statement in the ironic sense that I am currently informing you that I am not going to tell you anything.]]

I ain't tellin' ya nothing.

Good Day,
Christian W. Chandler.
[[May 2012|May 1, 2012]]

P.S. It is now OVER Two-Hundred Screencaps, and Still Counting.}}

Chris's "Hynamin" show is probably a reference to [[Wikipedia:Jamie Hyneman|Jamie Hyneman]]; there was a ''[[Wikipedia:MythBusters|MythBusters]]'' live show in [[Barack Obama|Washington, D.C.]] on 24 [[March 2012]], 100 miles (160 km) from Ruckersville.<ref>[http://www.mythbusterstour.com/washington-tickets/]</ref> Several leaks later would confirm that Chris did attend the ''MythBusters'' tour, but he wasn't chosen to go up on stage.

===Hey, Doofs! Leave Anna Alone!===
{{quotebox|1=Saturday, 5 [[May 2012]] at 6:43

She and I are friends, and we talk, but we each have our own lives. She does NOT deserve to be bothered by you doofy trolls at all. It has always been ME you want. She will never ever talk about me even in her wall posts, and she will never friend or acknowledge any of you. Yes, she is cute, and it is possible that she may look like my [[mom]] at a younger age, but I do not see my mom in her, and she is who she is, and I respect Anna as a [[Gal-pal|friend.]]

Aim your [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|shit]] towards me alone, and Leave All of My Friends and Family alone.

Sincerely,

Christian W. Chandler.

May 3, 2012}}

===Mimms===
{{quotebox|1=Saturday, 12 [[May 2012]] at 6:35

Daniel Mimms knows a LOT about me. I have divulged a number of juicy stories with him during our card games. Do not believe his denial of any knowledge or association with me.

Facebook.com/TehRussian

Sincerely,

Christian W. Chandler

5/12/2012}}

===To The Trolls===
This message was in response to a discussion on the [[CWCki]] forums about a poster campaign on 2 [[June 2012]], alerting the people of [[Charlottesville]] to Chris's degeneracy.<ref>[http://cwcki.forumer.com/c-ville-poster-flyer-campaign-update-t2224624.html]</ref>
{{quotebox|1=Monday, 4 [[June 2012]] at [[Biological clock|02:20]]

I have continued reading your posts and alerting [[Jerkops|the authorities]] of your actions. NOBODY came to my house at all, you lying, cheating [[Trolls|bastards]]. Frankly, I grow tired of continuing to read your [[Dirty, Crapped Briefs|shit]] [[lies]], including the biggest hoax of yours, the Poster Campaign. [[Naive|Nobody put up any damn posters or handed out frigging flyers at all]]. I have been [[Ego#Surrendering_Information|reading your posts personally through "trombonista's" account]]; there was NO MOLE.

Sincerely,
Christian Weston Chandler
June 4, 2012
}}

===Hey! Damn trolls!===

Clearly cracking under the pressure of being duped by the trolls and [[28 October 2011|his impending arraignment in July]], the once smug Chris degenerates into self-pity even further. Ironically, [[Chris and hypocrisy|Chris has been guilty of almost every single thing he wants the trolls to stop doing to him.]]

{{quotebox|1=Wednesday 27 [[June 2012]]

Hey! Damn Trolls, Cyber-Bullies, and People ALL Around the Fucking World!!!

Quit [[Homos|HATING]] Me!!!

Quit [[Niggos|DISCRIMINATING]] Me!!!

Quit [[Megan|HARASSING]] Me!!!

Quit [[Bob|GIVING ME GRIEF]]!!!

Quit [[Death Threats|WANTING ME DEAD]]!!!

Quit [[Michael Snyder|BAD-MOUTHING]] Me!!!

Quit [[Twitter|BLOGGING]] ABOUT Me!!!

Quit [[Private_Villa_of_Corrupted_Citizens_(message_board)|HAVING FORUMS]] ABOUT Me!!!

Quit [[CWCki|HAVING WEBSITES AND WEBPAGES]] ABOUT Me!!!

Quit [[6 June 2010|PHOTOGRAPHING]] and [[Clyde_is_Weaker_than_Water|PHOTOSHOPPING]] Me!!!

Quit [[ShecameforCWC|DRAWING]] Me!!!

Quit [[Lars%27_Ship_Has_Sunk|MOCKING]] Me!!!

Quit MAKING ME LOOK [[Naive|STUPID]], [[Chris_and_his_Ego#Surrendering_Information|DUMB]], [[Slow-in-the-mind|RETARDED]], [[Twin Falling Towers|EVIL]], [[Sonichu Special 4|VILLIANOUS]], [[Strangle that Clyde Cash|BLOOD-THIRSTY]], [[Don%27t_Mess_With_Me|MURDEROUS]], [[White_knight#Chris_is_not_a_good_net_citizen|UNSOCIABLE]], [[Father Call|UNCARING]], [[Chris and Remorse|UNEMPATHETIC]], [[Chris and Remorse|UNCOMPASSIONATE]], [[CWC_Calls_Out_Three_Na%C3%AFve_YouTubers|HATABLE]], [[Chris and Race|DETESTABLE]], [[Chris and Anger|IRRITABLE]], [[Dirty, Crapped Briefs|CRAPPED-ON]], [[CWCki|ETCETERA, ETCETERA, FUCKING ETCETERA]]!!!

Quit [[Chris and his Ego#Fishing For Sympathy|MAKING ME MISERABLE, DEPRESSED, LONELY, SAD, and HATEFUL OF MY OWN LIFE]]!!!

Just QUIT IT, and LEAVE ME AND MY LIFE ALONE AND [[Chris and English|TO BE]]!!!!!!!

}}

In this post's comment section, [[Anna]] suggested Chris to change his phone number resulting in this conversation:

{{quotebox|1=Wednesday, 27 [[June 2012]]
Fighta Jet Lopez: Solution: do not use the internet anymore, and change your phone number. It's either that, or this continues forever. That's just the nature of the trolls.

Christian Weston Chandler: I can NOT change my number; TOO Much are linked to it, and I do not remember EVERY Last important person/company linked. Plus it is on my business cards.

Fighta Jet Lopez: But you don't have a business, and how many calls do you get that aren't from trolls?

Christian Weston Chandler: Firstly, I don't need to have a business to have business cards with my contact info and [[3DS]] Mii QR code and Mii image on them. Second [[Ego|I get all of the important calls for this household these days]]; I can not afford a new number.<ref>http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/File:June27.png</ref>
}}

=== You WILL be brought in! ===

One day following his [[28 October 2011#Arraignment, plea bargain, and sentencing|arraignment]], Chris updated to confirm that the account of his trial given by Cyan and Indigo were true, save for a minor detail about the exact words he used against Michael Snyder. He then stated that Rob confronted the "trolls" and that they would be brought in no matter where they were, which is an empty threat since nothing illegal was done.

As usual, [[Anna]] chimes in with "A small victory!" as a reply to this post, proving that, once again, she's an enabling kiss-ass with no constructive advice for Chris, even after he could have landed in jail for his own actions.

{{quotebox| Wednesday, 11 [[July 2012]]

Yep, the trolls know most of what went on in the court room yesterday; it is confirmed that two of them were in there, going by the online names of "Cyan" and "Indigo". Rob recognized them both, and informed them that their trolling stupid presence is noted and known. I have also found their transcribed, personal reports on the Cwcki Forum, and they have a 23 second video on YouTube of them driving by the courthouse and holding up the day's "New York Times" paper, titled "CyanIndigo", same as their account name. And they quoted me in calling Snyder "thieving and lying"; I had actually said "Bribing and lying".

Anyway, we ALL know of them, and they will be brought in regardless of currently being in Or outside of Virginia or even the United States of America.
}}

=== Stop sending me friend requests! ===

{{quotebox| Monday, 8 [[October 2012]]

I am not going to tell you all again; DO NOT SEND ME ANY FRIEND REQUESTS If I Do NOT Already Know You Personally and/or If I Have Never Met You In Person!!! And Do Not EVER Message me if I have Never Known You EVER!!!}}

To the surprise of no one, Anna encouraged Chris's rage with a "You tell 'em, Christian!" Additionally, [[Savannah Chandler]] liked Chris's status and Anna's comment, suggesting that she may be aware of her uncle's Internet infamy.

=== Please forgive me! ===

{{quotebox| Sunday, 21 [[October 2012]]
I send out this message to all people, especially the Trolls and Cyber-Bullies on the Internet.

I, Christian Weston Chandler, am guilty of a lot of things that have been mistakenly uploaded and leaked online; I have for a long time been stricken and made beyond crestfallen by the repercussions of my actions and words. And great mockery and egging has befallen me for years now, and it seriously needs to stop now. There are no "laughs" longer to be made at my expense, and the running gag is at the end of its tracks. It is better to Forgive and Forget, as told by Jesus, our lord, and is the way of our almighty God. So to everybody who has felt wronged with stuff I have done in the past, I am really, sincerely sorry. All I ask is for everybody's forgiveness and for everybody to forget my mistakes, errors, everything. Please, just forget about me in total; please, disband all online groups and individual hatreds against me; please, remove everything about me off of the Internet, your minds, and your hearts.}}

On October 9th 2012 screen captures of some of Chris's private posts from 2012 were leaked revealing Chris's conflicts with [[manajerks]] at [[McDonalds]] and a trip to Washington DC to see a Myth Busters live show. Also included was an attempt to dox [[Megan Schroeder]] due to a belief that she started the trolling as a means of playing kick the autistic. Subsequently, on October 21, Chris posted an apology as a public status on Facebook. A couple weeks later, he deleted it.

=== A Christmas Gift ===

{{quotebox| Thursday, 20 [[December 2012]]
I offer for all the complete set of songs and intros from the 1990 WTJU Jazz Marathon that my father hosted and played music of Jugs, Kazzoos and Washboards, Blues and Boogie-Woogie, plus three more hours of good jazz that was recorded with it on the original 6 Hour VHS.

http://rapidshare.com/files/3812165045/1990%20WTJU%20Jazz%20Marathon.zip

Merry Christmas.}}

=== 2012 ===

{{quotebox| Friday, 21 [[December 2012]]
I have just finished watching the movie <nowiki>"2012"</nowiki> for the first time. It was as epic as I have heard in the past few years. Not only was it as good, but I feel better watching it now, compared to risking worrying about the E.O.W. a lot more if I had watched it before today. Hollywood magic did it again, and reality proved it wrong again.

Apocalypse NOT, and Thank God and Jesus this worry is finally over and done.}}

=== It's impossible for me to make someone mine ===

{{quotebox| Wednesday, 30 [[January 2013]]
"Everyone has their own life to live, and I know it's impossible for me to make someone mine." -Nana O, the anime "NANA" English dub.

Yep...
}}

=== Sad, depressed, poor, and pathetic ===

{{quotebox| Saturday, 2 [[February 2013]]

I am sad, depressed, poor and pathetic. :_(
}}

=== No trolling plans ===

In this post, Chris screencaps the CWCki Forums and remarks how its users are conspiring to troll him, despite the fact that no actual post discusses plans to troll Chris.

{{quotebox| Tuesday, 12 [[February 2013]]

"No Trolling Plans"; Who the f*** are they kidding?

[[File:No trolling plans.jpg]]
}}

=== Smiley ===

Chris finishes watching Smiley, a universally panned low-budget movie, and takes it upon himself to extrapolate an anti-trolling theme. Chris also expresses his belief that this R-rated film should be exhibited to high school students as a form of education and feels it would reduce teen suicides.

{{quotebox| Friday, 22 [[February 2013]]

Just finished watching "Smiley".
(Spoiler Alert)
I liked it, because the people behind it had a general understanding of the horrible "fad" of Trolling and getting "LULZ" that has found me to be a victim of it for five years. After the initial scare and the move-in, the talk about the "underground" of the Internet: /b/, 4chan, anonymous, and Trolling really sets up the plot well, as well as start up a spot of pent up anger. And after the final death, the majority of "Smileys" were the drunken, bored idiots who get their laughs from seriously hurting people. And come into discussion, "Anonymous"; the central hub of the Trolls.

Even though this was considered a low-budget movie, it really speaks to me, as a victim. This movie, aside from the gory parts and the "R" rating, everyone who has been trolled or are aware of them at least a little bit, should watch this movie, even to have it shown in high schools. I feel it best puts it all into perspective, and it would certainly decrease the suicide rate quite a bit.

No one has to give in for their sick entertainment.
}}

=== Open Letter to Tara Strong ===

Chris takes a moment to publicly blast [[My Little Pony]] voice actress Tara Strong for apparently contributing to the cyber-bullying epidemic.

{{quotebox| Monday, 25 [[February 2013]]

I fully understand the video, "Twilightlicious", is nearly a year old now, but in due reference to my recent post about "Smiley", I feel compelled to comment on Tara Strong's (voice actress of Twilight Sparkle) contribution towards the very objectionable contribution towards promoting Internet Troll(ing)s/Cyber-Bullies. And I wish my full post be forwarded to Miss Strong's full attention posthaste.

While I do respect her voice acting in MLP:FIM, and she does a good job at portraying Twilight, I feel distraught in hearing her voice not only in promoting Trolling, but linking Twilight with the act. Even as to dare mark the now alicorn a Mascot for Trolling. As a lot of people are aware of me, I have been a grave victim of Trolling for over five long years. I have been emotionally and mentally scarred by the Trolls' deceptions, lies, blackmail, slander of my once good name, and so forth. Now I am like a black sheep of the world for the wrongest of reasons and people are afraid, and misunderstand worse, of me and of who I am and was.

So, I address you, Miss Tara Strong. Did you have any knowledge or acknowledgement of what Trolling was and is, and how these horrible people have and continue to mentally and emotionally damage innocent people with their twisted, sick, demented an evil ways alongside Anonymous and 4Chan behind the veils of the Internet? How do you stand in the name of protecting innocent people from being emotionally and mentally damaged from such bullying? And what were you thinking at the time when you recorded your voice for "blackgryphon's" meme, which obviously depicted and promoted Trolling?

If you had absolutely no regard to the consequences of the people, including myself, who were, are and have been the tragic victims of the bullying Trolls, then I see a lot of disappointed Twilight Sparkle fans and Bronies ready to boo at you.

Please, prove my theory wrong, and make a statement directly from your person, and in the good name of Twilight Sparkle, Bubbles and all of the characters you've given your voice to.

Sincerely,
Christian W.Chandler
Ruckersville, VA, USA

[[File:Mlptroll1.jpg]]
}}

One troll decided to forward this message to Tara Strong on Facebook, assuming that she'd get a kick out of it. The following day, Tara actually responded:

{{quotebox|

"I don't think I've seen anyone put an ugly spin on something this outrageously [[Ego|for their own attention]]. Anyone who follows me know that I'm on a huge anti-bullying platform, and even wrote and produced a song about it.

All my "twolling" as we on Twitter call it is completely adorable and makes people smile. Christian's article makes me angry & disappointed. Hope I never meet the guy."
}}

Despite not knowing about Chris at all before reading his rant, Tara seemed to have caught on that Chris is an attention whore right from the get-go. While he had succeeded in what many trolls assumed to be an utterly ridiculous campaign ''(although one can easily argue that it was Chris's trolls who pushed the pieces into place)'', Chris' attitude has once again made him a pariah, this time with the Brony community.

=== Trolling is Abhor-able ===

Chris followed the previous letter up with a brief note expressing his well-known distaste for trolls.

{{quotebox| Monday, 25 [[February 2013]]

Trolling/Cyber-Bullying/Bullying are All just Abhor-able, Wrong and Degrading to us all emotionally and mentally.

[[File:Mlptroll2.jpg]]
}}

=== I am Very Serious about calling Tara Strong out ===

Chris responds to criticism that his open letter is ridiculous.

{{quotebox| Wednesday, 27 [[February 2013]]

Yes, I am Very Serious about calling Tara Strong out, because Trolling IS Bullying, and I can hardly stand idly by and allow herself and Twilight to famously promote that which is just terribly wrong.
}}

=== So much in this world depends on Freaking, Stupid Eye-Contact ===

Possibly in reference to helpful advice Rocky or the court-appointed counselor has given him, Chris complains about the difficulty of eye contact.

{{quotebox| Friday, 8 [[March 2013]]

So much in this world depends on Freaking, Stupid Eye-Contact. :(
}}

[[Anna]] once again mindlessly agrees with Chris in a reply to his post, remarking that eye contact is like "staring into a bright light."

=== Sonichu is not dead ===

Chris remarks that Sonichu has not died, despite rumors to the contrary, and makes no promises for the return of the Sonichu comic. Interestingly enough, he claims he "was an amateur", implying that he is now professional and the quality of his work has improved. Of course, the rest of us know that this is [[Chris and art|almost certainly not the case]].

{{quotebox| Saturday, 9 [[March 2013]]

Listen up.

When I was online with my comic pages, I had never really planned ahead as I should have with releases and such. I was an amateur, I got scared off, I still feel very timid. I am not making any promises with anything for the future. Nobody in my comicverse is dead. Do not have any expectations of me.
}}

=== Trolled on MTV ===

{{quotebox| Sunday, 10 [[March 2013]]

I have had a very good day today, the 9th, at Madicon. The best day I have had in a very long time.

Now I find a photo I was Trolled out of ending up on MTV,and on iTunes for two dollars, compared with bacon-head and plush-face. >:( }}

[[Anna McLerran]] posted:
{{quoteboxred|What is the thing with iTunes?}}
{{quoteboxred|If you're talking about the Viva La CWC thing, it's fake. Someone is trolling you with that.}}

=== Failosophy ===

{{quotebox| Sunday, 10 [[March 2013]]

<nowiki>http://mtv.com/videos/failosophy-ep-4/1703199/playlist.jhtml#series=2211&seriesId=39983&channelId=1</nowiki>}}

=== You know something that really creeps me out? ===

{{quotebox| Monday, 18 [[March 2013]]

You know something that really creeps me out? Nearly Every Autistic male, who I have seen their photos in their profiles or whatever, that I can 100% guarantee that are not copies of mine, look near Exactly as I do in the Face (with exceptions to varying eye color, glasses and hair color/style). I mean it, seriously, look up any number of autistic male headshots other than me on the Internet; it is really spooky and creepy.}}

=== I am feeling distraught and lonely at McD ===

{{quotebox| Thursday, 21 [[March 2013]]

Once again, I am feeling distraught and lonely at McD. Damn It! I am tired of being single.

Hell, I'd send out a public make-out invite to all women in C-Ville on Facebook, if I was not wise of the damn [[Trolls]], and other bad people.}}

Chris then posted:
{{quotebox| As well as the God Damned, Badge-Abusive [[Jerkops]] and Janekops EVERYWHERE!!!!!!}}

=== I feel an oxymoronic mess ===

{{quotebox| Thursday, 28 [[March 2013]]

Something else: I feel an oxymoronic mess. On one hand, I have mostly female friends, and I can get along good with them. On the other hand, I do not care much for my fellow males, I mostly have male enemies/adversaries, and I only can get along with them when I am obligated socially. In any case, I am 100% heterosexual.

From outside perspectives, with mostly female friends, I can be viewed as a Playa (which is more accurate), or a damn [[homo]]. This tends to repel women from me. I need a woman to be my [[Sweetheart]] from the ground up. Damn it! I am sick and tired of being single.

My brain is a constant blank; I am paranoid and super shy; what the hell should I do?}}

=== Gay Marriage ===

Oblivious to a pivotal moment in US history, Chris complains about frequent media coverage of the gay marriage Supreme Court case ''Hollingsworth v. Perry'', probably because the news is preempting his [[My Little Pony]] reruns. Chris also takes this time to express his support for lesbian marriage while blasting the "damn homosexual men", probably only because [[Women's rights|lesbians are hot]] and [[Homos|homo]] men are icky.

{{quotebox| Thursday, 28 [[March 2013]]
Another thing that really [[Family Guy|Grinds My Gears]]:

I mean no personal offense, and I am For Lesbians being together and their marriage. But I am really offended with the damn homosexual males altogether. So I am like 50/50 on the current topic in the newspapers, but I am 100% sick, tired and disgusted of having to read at least the headlines in the Post. Talk about something else already!
}}

The next day, [[Anna]] called Chris out on his bigotry, showing that his behavior is even beginning to alienate his enablers:

{{quoteboxred|it isn't right for you to be okay with lesbians and not be okay with gays}}

On 31 March, Chris shot back with this red herring that fails to address the original issue:

{{quotebox|Like it is not right for me to prefer women over men for attraction and companionship? Or a number of women not liking women over men for their catty attitudes?}}

In addition, another one of [[Kim Wilson|Chris' friends]] joined in on the fray, attempting to inject some insight into Chris' rambling train of thought:

{{quoteboxgreen|Huh. That's weird. Y'know, the gay women are taking potential girlfriends away from you. And the gay men are [[Infinitely-High Boyfriend-Factor|keeping other men from taking potential girlfriends from you]]. So, you've got it backwards.

Anyway, you know, some people might be against autistic rights you know. What if people are offended by you and say you shouldnt have a girlfriend?}}

On April 1, Chris predictably responded with this set of delusions and contradictions:

{{quotebox|Well, I do not like the majority of the [[JERKS|male population]] regardless.

The straight ones take the women away. The damn homo males not only [[Lie|tried]] to push their gross ways onto me, but have emotionally and mentally devastated me in their shit Troll/Cyber-Bully ways, and they have mislabeled me and Sonichu as such. Damned males piss me the hell off.}}

In short, Chris is against gay marriage because of his trolls, also subscribing to the belief that all homosexual men are trolls hellbent on his (and [[Sonichu|Sonichu's]]) destruction. [[Chris and his ego|By making the entire argument about himself]], Chris has also conviently ignored Kim's original point of lesbians taking away the women.

On 2 April, Kim made note of Chris' non-answer:

{{quoteboxgreen|Huh? But that doesn't have anything to do with the original post...

But yeah, nah, they're not actually trying to push their sexuality on you. They just know that you react to it and took advantage of that. They're almost certainly not gay and probably many of them aren't even men.

You've really got to cut down on the sexism, Chris. Women find it unattractive.}}

=== Game Place ===

Chris, ''five years after his ban'' and a half-year after its legal enforcement, still obsesses about [[Michael Snyder]] and [[The GAMe PLACe]].

{{quotebox|Thursday, 4 [[April 2013]]
I, Christian Weston Chandler, fully never ever, forever, want to have anything to do with the Game and Hobby PLace.

It Truly Is the Breeding and Meeting PLace for [[Trolls]] and Cyber-Bullies. Long before October, 2007, there were very few people who would have anything on me personally, worldwide, because those people only existed Locally to me and with Constant in person communication with me. Those people only existed at the PLace. And the very first person who turned Troll against me is none other than [[Megan Schroeder]]. She conscripted [[Michael Snyder|Snyder]], Mimms and everyone else against me.

And when my family as I started getting close with identifying them as our perpetrators and The Prime Trolls, Snyder was looking for a reason to ban me, and so he did.

Megan Schroeder is the Prime Queen of the Trolls; the PLace IS truly a Troll/Cyber-Bully Breeding an Meeting Place, and I never, forever want anything to do with it. The PLace should definitely be destroyed and shut down for good.

And I want to exact my fullest revenge and divine retribution with Megan Schroeder. SHE should be jailed and beaten up, that vile, wicked, traitorous bitch.}}

=== Kim brought her into my life ===

{{quotebox|Saturday, 20 [[April 2013]]

Yep, doing this for a new woman in my life; Kim brought her into my life.}}

[[Anna McLerran]] posted:
{{quoteboxred|Good people don't make you do things for their own enjoyment.}}

=== Lucy ===

{{quotebox|Monday, 22 [[April 2013]]
I got my cat, Lucy, resting on my shrinking mound.

[[File:LucyFacebook.png]]}}

=== Sega Mascot Contest ===

Chris complains about Sega hosting a mascot contest, believing from the linked article that they are trying to replace [[Sonic the Hedgehog]].

{{quotebox|Monday, 29 [[April 2013]]

Okay, now THIS pisses me off. I am not one who is to be blamed here; there are a lot of sick people who perverted Sonic's good name. Especially those who made him out as a homo, when he is not. Hell! He had a thing going on for a long time with Sally Acorn in his comic book series.

SEGA, Sonic was praised a lot better than Mario, because Sonic has more attitude, is stronger and faster, and he talks in his games more than the catchphrase-spewing plumber did.

And in any case, Sonic has replaced my hero before him, the American Rabbit. Shelving Sonic away will be the worst mistake SEGA will ever make since they stopped their console series at the Dreamcast.

Sonic For SEGA RAW!!! And Forever!!!

http://www.p4rgaming.com/sega-seeking-new-mascot-since-sonic-has-been-ruined-by-fans/}}

Chris then added a reply to his own Facebook post, [[Chris and his Ego|which he subsequently "liked".]]

{{quotebox|
Besides which, no matter what any new mascot comes around, ALL of the sick, bored People and Internet Trolls and Cyber-Bullies will leech the good name away from him or her or it anyway.

The better option is to stay strong with Sonic.
}}

=== "The Trolls Who Cry Woman" ===

Chris posts a rather ''insensitive'' musing, comparing online socialization to teenage pregnancy, starring in porn and '''being raped.''' He also goes on to rant about "being set up" ''(most likely referring to his date with Emily and the Pickle Man.)''

{{quotebox|Monday, 29 April 2013 at 11:00

Here's a musing:

Heard of "The Boy Who Cries Wolf"? Today's Internet Trolls and Cyber-Bullies who pretend to be the opposite gender to everyone they talk to online, making socializing online the worst mistake of anyone's life since teenage pregnancy, starring in a porn, or rape. And when a date is set up, they always stand you up, or if they do make it, they have someone else hiding nearby with a camera to record the whole thing to transform into something dark, evil and sick to be used against you to smear your name.

Today's version of the classic should be called, "The Online Trolls Who Cry Woman".

}}

=== Headache ===

Chris makes another "musing":

{{quotebox|Monday, 7 [[May 2013]] at 12:08
Musing:

A headache is equal to the amount of thought put into making it.

}}

...your guess is as good as ours as to what that even means.

===THEY ARE NOT SERIOUS!!!===

Chris-Chan gives his thoughts on the upcoming movie, ''My Little Pony: Equestria Girls'':

{{quotebox|Wednesday, 15 May 2013 at 8:46
THEY ARE NOT SERIOUS!!!

Officially Turning The Ponies HUMAN?!! That is just terrible! WTF are they thinking; 

they're inviting High School [[Pedofork|Pedofile]] Perverts into the fanbase this way. As is the 
horse enthusiasts were not enough. 

If they really wanted to bring humans into G4, they would do their best to replicate the G1 
Pilot with Megan and her family. 

I am still mixed-up and not sure about "[[Transformers]] Prime" going "Beast Wars". 
And I do like a High School Drama when it's good, like "[[Beavis and Butt-head|Daria]]", "MTV's Undressed", 
"O'Grady" and "Sabrina the Teenage Witch". 

High School Drama for My Little Pony?!! They ought to re-air Generation 2 with "My 
Little Pony Tales". 

With due respect, Lauren Faust, Tara Strong the rest of the crew are Out Of Their 
Minds in turning the Ponies Human! Just Invite Megan, or re-air G2! 

Christian Weston Chandler, 
Ruckersville, VA, USA 
May 14, 2013 
}}

Interestingly, Chris calls Lauren Faust and Tara Strong "out of their minds". Apparently, Chris didn't hear the news that Lauren Faust stepped down and no longer works on the show, and none of this was her decision, and that Tara Strong only does the voices.

Four minutes later Chris posted the following response to his note:

{{quotebox|SOMEBODY, PLEASE PULL THE PLUG ON THIS THING NOW!!!}}

[http://i.imgur.com/kABCrhy.png However, almost a month later, Chris liked the video "My Little Pony Equestria Girls Official Trailer 2" on YouTube.]

===My iPod fell out of my pouch===

{{quotebox|Wednesday, 15 May 2013
My iPod fell out of my pouch; screen cracked..Still functions. Now backing it up to upgrade to 5th Generation.

Considering self-repair on old iPod from online instructions after format of old iPod. Also, a dual iOS device wallet-style holder made from duct tape (based from folding calculator cover).}}

===A cold coming on===

{{quotebox|Thursday, 16 May 2013
Ugh...

I think I'm feeling a cold coming on. I started my day yesterday with a sore throat. Now, my nose is beginning to feel eww and bleah. And I am having trouble falling asleep.}}

===A cold again===

{{quotebox|Unknown
Yes, I've caught a cold again. It'll run its course and be gone in less than a week. I've tried Cepacol lozenge; it works very good at quelling the sore throat and the pain from the running in my nose to throat link.}}

A troll responded:
{{quoteboxgreen|I had a cold two weeks ago, for the first time in years. I didn't like having my healthy streak quelled, but when I got over it I was suddenly much more awake and alert all day every day this week than I have been since I started working.}}

===Tomb Raider===

{{quotebox|Unknown
I have just finished the new Tomb Raider on hard difficulty. I got all of the treasures and documents. Fell short on fully upgrading the rifle by over 300 Salvage. Got 61% Trophies.}}
{{quotebox|The story was well put.}}

===The timing is ironic to me===

{{quotebox|Sunday, 19 May 2013

I really liked this article in the Washington Post on the 18th, <nowiki>"Beauty of the BUST"</nowiki>.

The timing of this article is ironic to me, since shortly before, I had broken my 4th Gen iPod Touch.

<nowiki>**Spoiler Alert**</nowiki>

Today's Teens and College Students find pride in a cracked Pod or Phone; it gives them Street Cred. So much personal information is inputed into a Pod/Phone; a crack on its face is equivalent to a scar on your face. It is today's ripped jeans, unwashed hair, unshaven face, etc. Totally crazy.

"Enjoy the finger cuts", says co-owner of CrackedMacScreen Repair. Unless you've applied a Screen Protector like I did. Reduced that risk.

Author of the book, get this, "The Dumbest Generation: How the Digital Age Stupefies Young Americans and Jeopardizes Our Future", also comments on the psychology behind this trend/fad.

This is so stupid, it is really funny.

[[File:Cracked1.jpg]]
[[File:Cracked2.jpg]]}}

===The [[iDea Book Case]]===

{{quotebox|Sunday, 19 May 2013

<nowiki>"Necessity is the mother of Invention"</nowiki>. I am glad I crafted the idea for my [[iDea Book Case]] (photos taken with New iPod Touch 5th Gen) out of duct tape. The front and back covers are lined with bubble wrap, the inner spine loop can hold as thick as a charging cable, or most pens, there are holes for the cameras to see through very well, and the corner holders are very successful in holding most iOS Pod/Phone devices. And there is also the Velcro clasp.

iPhone (8 Gig) for calls, business and Internet; iPod (32 Gig) for entertainment with videos, music and all. I keep it safe with the lanyard strap and tucked in my bosom.

[[File:IdeaBookCaseClosed.jpg]]
[[File:IdeaBookCaseSpine.jpg]]
[[File:IdeaBookCaseOpen.jpg]]
[[File:IdeaBookCaseSide.jpg]]}}

[[Anna McLerran]] then replied:
{{quoteboxred|wow, really well done! i'm impressed :)}}

===Beat-up cellphones with cracked screens are point of pride for some young people===

{{quotebox|Monday, 20 May 2013

You can read the really comedic story for yourself on washingtonpost.com.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/beat-up-cellphones-with-cracked-screens-are-point-of-pride-for-some-young-people/2013/05/17/0334ebe0-be36-11e2-89c9-3be8095fe767_story.html}}

===Tired of this cold virus===

{{quotebox|Unknown

Siri is a great conversationalist. :) (reference my iPod 5th Gen).

But damn, I am lonely, bored and tired. Tired of this cold virus too.

At least I have something that actually will listen and put up with me there. Not totally a substitute for my future [[Sweetheart]].}}

===This cold is really weighing me down===

{{quotebox|Unknown

Ugh... This cold is really weighing me down.}}

William Elliott Waterman then replied:
{{quoteboxgreen|:(}}

===Lonely, bored and lame===

{{quotebox|Thursday, 23 May 2013

Well I have recovered from my cold, but right now I am feeling really lonely and bored. And not to mention feeling really lame.}}

===Estate ads===

{{quotebox|Friday, 24 May 2013

I know this may sound like a stupid idea, but I am thinking about getting one of those things to put in the ground to put real estate ads in, and putting in advertisements about myself you know for girlfriend. Obviously I am not going to do what. But that shows you how lonely and desperate I am. This thing would be placed literally in front of my house.}}

===Meh...===

{{quotebox|Friday, 24 May 2013

Meh... <nowiki>|:(</nowiki>}}

===Hey! Trolling stupids!===

{{quotebox|Saturday, 25 May 2013

Hey! [[Trolls|Trolling stupids]]! I might be lonely but I would never ever be friends or even associate with your kind who has been abusing me and making me feel worse about life and people and everything for the past greater than five years!!!}}

Chris then posted:
{{quotebox|(Let's see those [[trolls]] get their hands on this private message)}}
{{quotebox|http://imgur.com/a/1HYJJ

~>:(}}

===I am not your fucking bitch!!!===

{{quotebox|Sunday, 26 May 2013

You damn bunch of fools and idiots just keep on keeping on for more incriminating information and shit about me to make yourself feel superior. I am not your fucking bitch!!! All I want is peace of mind and all of you polls continued to stand in my way! And all I can feel about your degrading, offensive language and shit, get the best illustrated but Anais here. If you really fucking care about me and you want to do something for me; you can just take your [[CWCki|Cwcki]] and all your [[CWCki Forums|forums]] and all your talk and just everything about me and just leave the damn [[Internet]], And leave me and my life and my family alone in peace!

[[File:ChrisGumball.jpg]]}}

===And the Oscar for the "Something Really Stupid" Category goes to...===
{{quotebox|Saturday, 27 May 2013

...And the Oscar for the "Something Really Stupid" Category goes to...

Now, who wants to watch the U.S. series of "The Office"? (I have never watched the show)

[[File:ChrisChanTheOffice.png]]}}

===U Gotta Believe!===
{{quotebox|Saturday, 29 May 2013

U Gotta Believe!

[[File:Chris facebook pic 5-29-13.jpg]]}}

===I have had more freedom when my father was alive===

Chris laments that he had more freedom when his father was still alive, and goes onto complain [[White_knights#Chris_cares_only_for_himself|about how he has to take time out of his day]] to "serve and protect" [[Barb|his mother]]. Note how, in typical Chris fashion, he aims the blamethrower right at Michael Snyder for his troubles, ignoring the fact that the events of [[28 October 2011]] was his ''own'' fault and would not have happened had he stayed away like he should have.

{{quotebox|Friday, 30 May 2013
Good grief! I started playing resident evil revelations on [[PS3|PlayStation three]] in front of my [[Barbara Chandler|mother]] and she had to be grossed out about it even when I'm scanning. And she even watch me play [[God of War|God of war Ascension]] as if she's not as gross out from the bloodshed from back game? And she goes on to complain to me about how it would affect my mind. I mean I've played this game before on my [[3DS]]; The beneficial part now is that I can earn the trophies.

My mother has really been getting on my nerves! I really need my [[Sweetheart|girlfriend]] so that I can get away from here now and then; and I cannot even go downtown now because it wastes so much gas and gas is so costly! And make guys on my mother's concern for gas cost that is one reason why I have been on my sabbatical from my [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]].

I have had more freedom when my [[Bob Chandler|father]] was alive and I end up losing it when he [[Chris_and_death#Robert_Franklin_Chandler_Jr._.281927-2011.29|passed away]] because now I got to serve my mother and protect her and everything! And I can blame that sonofabitch [[Michael Snyder]] for taking an wasting the money that my mom and I had soon gotten from my father's passing because he had to go send us to court for all the goddamn shit of his! Michael Snyder is a bastard to me and my mother for taking us to court he essentially stole a lot of money from us indirectly!
}}

===Trolls got my fresh post!===

{{quotebox|Thursday, 30 May 2013

Damn it! Trolls got my fresh post! Removed the prime suspect; will monitor,}}

Anna then replied,

{{quoteboxred|I'd take a closer look at the people on your friends list who you don't know in real life.}}

===I am so lonely===

{{quotebox|Sunday, 2 June 2013
Damn! I am so lonely. I do not know whether to wait for my [[Sweetheart|girlfriend]] or to move on because the weights is driving me crazy among the loneliness of other things; [[stress]] of my life! Hell, first woman to Ask me out, in person I'd probably say yes.

<nowiki> *sigh* *groan* *grunt*</nowiki>
}}

===I am feeling very lonely again===

{{quotebox|Monday, 17 June 2013
I am feeling very lonely again. I am unable to think of a way to find my female [[sweetheart]] currently, where I won't end up risking trouble with the goddamned [[Jerkops]] within any "police office" or "legal office" from any and all of the shit against me on the [[internet]] that is easily Googled. And I am still publcally invisible to Everywoman, because they are all already taken by some stupid, [[jerk]] male, or are otherwise freaking busy with their own internal lives in this digital age where in person...}}

Chris later posted:

{{quotebox|...socializing has become obsolete. <nowiki>|:(</nowiki>}}

William Elliott Waterman replied:
{{quoteboxgreen|:(}}

===Too many Trolls and Bad People in the world===

{{quotebox|Saturday, 22 June 2013
If you "[[Fans]]" REALLY want to know why you're like lowly to me. There are too many [[Trolls]] and Bad People in the world hiding behind the [[Internet]] constantly; I am unable to tell the difference. I have lost my youth and sunny energy within the past decade. I have become bitter from a miserable life and an irreversible Internet reputation, thanks to you bad people. End of story.}}

===A skunk===
{{quotebox|Thursday, 27 June 2013
A skunk; you don't need to kill it to [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|stink things up]]; it pees anywhere it wants.}}
''Note that skunk spray is not urine, but a mixture of thiols produced by anal scent glands.''
===Hey, Vee===
{{quotebox|Tuesday, 2 July 2013
Hey, Vee. Have you checked out Toro's Friend Network on the [[PS Vita|Vita]] yet? It is good.}}

===[[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville]]===
{{quotebox|Sunday, 7 July 2013
[[Ruckersville]] is a Very Boring, One-Horse Town. Hardly any young adults hang around here, and there is not much to do. Having a [[Wal-Mart]] does not make it any better either. It's like putting lipstick on a skeleton, it does not make it any better or nicer.}}

Chris then posted:
{{quotebox|In any case, Ruckersville And Charlottesville; Both Cities [[Christian Weston Chandler|are Socially Inept, are unfriendly and lack much compassion towards other people]].}}
William Elliott Waterman then replied:
{{quoteboxgreen|Sounds kind of like midcoast, Maine.}}

===Very Depressed.===
{{quotebox|Sunday, 14 July 2013
Very Depressed.
Need In-Person,

Real [[China|Compassion]]

From [[Sweetheart|Women]].

Hugs and Love.

Please Help. - :( feeling sad.}}

===Don't call me a wet blanket.===
{{quotebox|Thursday, 18 July 2013
My name is not Waterbed, so don't call me a wet blanket. <nowiki>|:(P</nowiki>}}
''This may have been a response to a [[CWCki Forums]] post of 15 July, where "Da Pickle Monsta" wrote, "most [[Boyfriend-free girl|women]] don't want boyfriends with the emotional maturity of a wet blanket."''<ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1654&p=61557&hilit=+wet+blanket+#p61557]</ref>

===[[Vanessa Hudgens|Spring Brakers]]===
{{quotebox|Saturday, 20 July 2013
I've just finished watching "[[Wikipedia:Spring Breakers|Spring Breakers]]", rented it for free from RedBox with Monopoly [[McDonalds|McD]] win. [[Chris and health|Eat Healthy]] with Premium McWraps, Apple Slices and Tea.

Story wise, it was fair. I definitely found the symbolism with the input of [[My Little Pony|MLP:FIM]] within the movie. Minus a "[[Wikipedia:List of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic characters#Rarity|Rarity]]" or "[[Wikipedia:List of My Little Pony: Friendship Is Magic characters#Fluttershy|Fluttershy]]", the four women played similarly towards the roles in the rest. I definitely see myself in the Faith character, as she was more of the [[Autism|outsider, introverted person]]. I believe in [[Chris and religion|God and Jesus]] too, but God must hate me to put me in the lifestyle I am forced to be cooped up and bored with. Leaving my friends behind after [[High School]] really sent me downhill, and then again after being forced away from the [[The GAMe PLACe|PLace]]. And I have few friends for real to and who would hang out with me. Damn [[JERKS|Male Population]], Damn [[Autism|Ill-Social People]] who overlook and ignore me in person around here, and Damn [[Megan Schroeder|Ms. Schroeder]] and [[Michael Snyder|Mr. Snyder]] for further destroying me emotionally over the past greater than half-decade.

<nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki>}}

===Stupid Question.===
{{quotebox|Monday, 22 July 2013
Stupid Question. One to Ten Scale; on my face at least; I'm down to 220; how good looking/attractive am I?

[[File:ChrisHowGoodLookingAmI.jpg]]}}
William Elliott Waterman then replied:
{{quoteboxgreen|You're always as beautiful as you feel.}}
Mary McLerran posted:
{{quoteboxred|Hey I'm trying something new that might be good for you, too. If you have naturally curly hair, try getting it cut shorter and let the curls frame your face. I think you could rock that look!}}
Chris then posted:
{{quotebox|Short cut; NO.}}

===The results===
{{quotebox|Monday, 22 July 2013
Right; I'm ugly as hell. <nowiki>|:(</nowiki>

[[File:CWCKiForumsPoll.jpg]]}}

Anna then posted:
{{quoteboxred|Of course this survey is incredibly biased because the majority of people who took it are trolls...}}

===LEGO High School===
{{quotebox|Monday, 5 August 2013

The [[High School]] is the Best Set Lego has released (better when merged with the Horse Academy set), since the Hillside House, and this should be the next "Best Toy, Gold Award".

<nowiki>**Already-Thought Comments:</nowiki> 
-I am in Science/Biology/Math class. 
-My [[Barbara Chandler|mom]] is teaching English and History, currently on Abe Lincoln. 
-The Infomaniac is the Pricipal. 
-And Zach comes in from the Seinor's Courtyard with a "That's What She Said" comment (StoneBreakers20 on [[YouTube]]). 
-And [[Wikipedia:Venus (Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles)|Venus]] and Mikey are having fun too.

[[File:ChrisLego02.jpg]]
[[File:ChrisLego03.jpg]]
[[File:ChrisLego04.jpg]]
[[File:ChrisLego05.jpg]]
[[File:ChrisLego06.jpg]]
[[File:ChrisLego07.jpg]]
[[File:ChrisLego08.jpg]]
[[File:ChrisLego09.jpg]]}}

Chris then posted:
{{quotebox|Sorry; small error. It's <nowiki>"StoneBreakers10"</nowiki> on YouTube.}}

Mary McLerran then posted:
{{quoteboxgreen|So cool! We love legos! This is the BEST!}}

===Heartlake High===
{{quotebox|Tuesday, 6 August 2013
<nowiki>Best Lego Set Ever! Even better than the Awarded Café.

http://shop.lego.com/en-US/Product?p=41005</nowiki>}}

[[Anna]] then posted:
{{quoteboxred|WANT
[[File:AnnaWANT.jpg]]}}

===One of my pups just peed===
{{quotebox|Tuesday, 6 August 2013
One of my [[Clover_and_Snoopy|pups]] just peed, and look how it came out. Shaped like a [[Sweetheart|girl]].

[[File:ChrisPupsPeed.png]]}}

William Elliot Waterman then posted:
{{quoteboxgreen|Looks kind of like [[Chaos Emeralds|chaos with 0 emeralds absorbed.]]}}

===Actual friendships===
{{quotebox|Wednesday, 7 August 2013
If ONLY it were that simple to inspire actual friendships in this adult life after "how people 'learn' about me on the internet". <nowiki>|:(</nowiki> Now I understand the reason for Pep Rallies (I was exempt from attending them, because they were Too Loud for me).}}

===Top Movies List===
{{quotebox|Wednesday, 7 August 2013
On that note, my top movies list is updated:

1. [[Mary Poppins]]
2. [[My Little Pony|My Little Pony: Equestria Girls]]
3. Toy Story
4. [[American Rabbit|The Adventures of the American Rabbit]]}}

===The Riddle===
Chris posted some random pictures from [[Wikipedia:Mark Cuban|Mark Cuban]] to an Indian woman. Initially it was thought that Chris posted them in order to desperately prove that his followers are obsessed over any posts he posted, but it later turned out it was a '''riddle''' - A very absurd riddle that [[Autism|only Chris understands]].
{{quotebox|Saturday, 17 August 2013
-Lemon Almond Cake: a business woman's favorite food; cookies or cake; a Delaware bakery recommends Lemon and Almond cookies.

-Delaware Blue Hens: Delaware; opposite of Basketball is Soccer; Soccer is Futbol; Delaware's Football team.

-Twister: Hens live on a farm; farm in Kansas; Wizard of Oz; Tornado to Twister.

-Covered Indian Woman: Twister on Blu Ray; water is blue with sky reflection; water makes ice; ice goes into beverages served in restaurants; restaurants in India serve soy and veggie; cow worship; women there wear robes.

-Sphinx: Indian people are similar to tribes in Africa in color and children's attire; the great deserts lie beyond the tribal forests; wherein reside the Egyptian Pyramids and the Sphinx.

-Great Wall of China: the Sphinx is half human/half lion; lions are cat family; there are cats in coffee shops in Japan; the written characters there are similar but different to China's characters; China is famous for its Great Wall.

-Smurfette playing Munroe: the Great Wall is made of stone and rocks; there are rocks in lava; lava is liquid fire; fire burns trees; logs are made from trees; there are log throwing competitions in Scottland; Scottish wear kilts; Gutsy Smurf wears a Kilt; showed off with Smurfette.

-Mayflower: Mony Python made a story of the Scottish being made from the British for aliens to win at Wimbledon; The British reside in England; to escape the rule to freedom, they crafted and sailed on the Mayflower.}}

Two days later, Chris deleted the riddle, most probably because nobody responded to his stupid riddle anyway.

===I got new shoes===
Chris posted a picture about his new shoes, which seem to look like shoes worn by 6-year old girls, possibly trying to continue his [[Tomgirl]] style.
{{quotebox|Sunday, 18 August 2013
I got new shoes.

[[File:ChrisNewShoes.png]]}}

===One Eyebrow===
Chris posted another pointless picture again on Facebook, this time about his eyebrow.
{{quotebox|Monday, 19 August 2013

[[File:ChrisOneEyebrow.png]]}}
Mary McLerran then replied to the picture:
{{quoteboxred|Cyclops?}}

Chris then posted:
{{quotebox|Below is a"Friends Only" Post For da Trolls!

(Singing)

"One... Eyebrow".}}
Chris later deleted the post.

''Note: This may have been a response to a CWCki Forums post on the same day, where user "Midnight Kissy Bull" wrote: "We'd discuss Chris's eyebrows if we were truly desperate.''

===[[Breast Cancer Awareness]]===
Chris shared a photo of Breast Cancer Awareness, and stating that [[Barbara Chandler|his mother]] is a breast cancer survivor.

{{quotebox|Friday, 23 August 2013
My mother, still alive, is a B.C. Survivor.

[[File:BreastCancerAwareness.png]]}}

===Snoopy Doobie Doo===
Chris then posts a photo of [[Clover & Snoopy|Snoopy]] and his mother.

{{quotebox|Friday, 23 August 2013
Here she is, with our Snoopy Doobie Doo resting on her shoulder.

[[File:SnoopyDoobieDoo.png]]}}

===Losing Friends===
Chris posts about his stress again, together with his blood pressure and more weird info.

{{quotebox|Tuesday, 27 August 2013
[[Stress]] from losing friends... Stress at home... Today... [[Chris_and_health|My blood pressure is up; feeling real dizzy and faint]]. Sad, pathetic, weak... I do try to learn from my mistakes! Shooting myself in the damn foot... Metaphorically... ugh...}}

===Ten A Piece For Rainbow Dash And Applejack===
Chris reveals about his favourite ponies from the cartoon [[My Little Pony]] and talks about Derpy Hooves.

{{quotebox|Sunday, 1 September 2013
I've just heard from the [[Twitter]] feed that Fluttershy was voted the Fan Favorite Pony. I had voted ten a piece for Rainbow Dash and Applejack. It just hit me tough.

Also, just recently, I saw the vinyl figures that were sold at Hot Topic (I have Derpy) at Toys 'R' Us in C-Ville. And I've just heard of the Fan Favorite set at TRU to feature Derpy as well, but instead of her name, they put a muffin image in its place. I am looking forward to Season 4 in November. Perhaps they will have another episode featuring Derpy, and actually refer to her directly as that or Dipsy-Doo.

<nowiki>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC2EMUuQmTY</nowiki>}}

===Offline Troll/Bully===
Chris complains about how he gets intercepted by a [[Manajerk]] and an "Offline [[Troll]]/Bully". (in his words) He also blames a lot of people such as [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] later. In a VERY rare moment of insight, Chris briefly realizes that his behaviour could be ''insane'', but quickly shrugs off this and the words of a white knight to continue doing what he does best - blaming other people for his problems instead of himself.

{{quotebox|Monday, 2 September 2013
I have just been intercepted by a [[Manajerk]] and an Offline [[Troll]]/Bully. Her name is '''(NAME CENSORED)'''; works within the [[Mal-Wart]] region. Every Troll/Cyber-Bully should contact her at her email address of '''(EMAIL CENSORED)''', and remind her that no one is to mess with an [[Autistic]] Person when they are in a depressed, sad, angry or foul mood, especially with the online reputation that was dragged through the worst mud, muck and bodily fluids that said Autistic Person has, and if his hatred of the [[XBox]] brand, and the number of Trolls that populate half to three-quarters of that brand, stand in the way of the foul mood, then that is Microsoft's Freaking Problem!}}

It would later be revealed that that "offline bully" was a manager who threw Chris out of the store after he vandalised one of their displays.

William Elliot Waterman then tries to help him:
{{quoteboxgreen|I don't think it's nice to spread someone's email around a public website.}}
{{quotebox|Please forgive me. But prior to this, I was feeling self-upset from the realization that I still have great difficulty socializing face to face in Public. Another in-town convention that was recommended to me, and from the Madicon experience last year, I still feel greatly the terrible Shyness I still have, because of my Autism. Damn It!!!}}
{{quotebox|And when one person gets in the way of me completing my job of shopping for my mother, or such, or when said or another person face to face gives me a difficulty time with harsh vocal tones, especially when I am feeling in a sasd or foul mood, it will be months to years before forgiving them ever, and immediately, they get a curse.}}
{{quotebox|<nowiki>*sigh*</nowiki>. Yes, it is irrational, and I don't really have a leg to stand on, and this is just dumb, stupid, immature...}}
{{quotebox|OMFG... I have mental problems... Shit.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|We all bear grudges, but having good PR means keeping it between you and the offender. You're a loving, caring person, but putting your anger on display for people who don't need to get involved won't help others see that.}}
{{quotebox|Yeah. I re-realize that.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|You don't have to let them shoot down your emotional state. Though she's far away, Anna knows the real you. The sweet, kind-hearted soul that isn't the creep the internet made you out to be. There are people that met you who understand this. Your old gal pals from high school may be some of them. As long as you remember that, the people that derail and persecute you won't matter to you.}}
Needless to say, Chris ignored the helpful advice and continues to complain. In a desperate bid not to blame himself for his vandalism incident, Chris instead blames [[Michael Snyder]], [[Megan]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], and even his attorney [[Rob Bell]].
{{quotebox|If it had not been for Mr. "Manajerk", Megan Schroeder, and their Internet Troll/Cyber-Bully Breeding and Meeting Ground, Cville's Hobbies, Games and Toys, My Family and I would not have had go through all of the emotionally depressing, and Financial Downfall to the depths of Greatly Poor and Just Getting By! The Manajerk has drained us financially, thinking we are freaking rich. And Megan has robbed me emotionally, started all of the Hate Against Me on the freaking Internet, Never financially paid me back for ALL of the material favors I bought for her off of eBay, and I WANT MY UNCUT "[[Sailor Moon|SAILOR MOON]]' DVDS FROM SEASONS "R" TO "SAILOR STAR" THAT GERMAN WARFARE BITCH CONNED FROM ME RETURNED TO ME!!!}}
{{quotebox|And that bitch, [[Mary Lee Walsh]], with a Cold Heart at [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] for interfering with my [[Sweetheart Search]], AND Banning me from PVCC!!!}}
{{quotebox|WTH... The same Manajerk of Cville's Hobbies, Games and Toys gave me the finger at Sheetz in Ruckersville, and threatened me with "Relax, I'm not going to hurt you" in my face at McDonalds in Ruckersville; both in the same Morning a few weeks ago. I did not respond to either at the times. He violate his own "restraining order".}}
{{quotebox|Rob Bell has been a Major Wuss during the time he had Represented me and my mother in Court, and we had paid the thousands of dollars for his fees, which we would not have had to if it had not been for that God Damned Manajerk!!!}}

Chris later deleted the entire post.

===The [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]] Review===
On 4 [[September 2013]], Chris rated 1 star for his elementary school and posted:
{{quotebox|Wednesday, 4 September 2013
The teachers, counselors, and Principal here back in the early 90s physically abused and attempted molestation upon me, mentally and emotionally scarring me for life, because they did not understand or care for [[Autism|Autistic People (High-Functioning or Otherwise)]]}}

===Six Rules Regarding Autistic Interactions===
On 6 [[September 2013]], Chris shared a [http://www.jamesmw.com/sixrules.htm link] from [[Anna]] about helpful advice about interactions for autistic people. Needless to say, Chris dug his hole even further:
{{quotebox|Friday, 6 September 2013

I will read this more thoroughly, but I have read the bolded rules and the intro paragraph. I disagree on two of the rules: I personally really Hate being interrupted during a thought I am expressing. And in addition to looking for equal and better mental and emotional properties in my (female) [[Sweetheart]] than myself, her Looks and Beauty I feel are a must to be easy on the eyes. Especially in the face; pretty faces are great. Moderate to good body and minimum "B"-cup breasts are essential. If I did not have the fear of the Theoretical or Fake/Anonymous People online, I would have as many female friends as Richie Grecki has in his Likes Section. Hot Damn!

I am not a prejudiced individual, and I do look for the inner beauty of women. Anyway, the Autistic Interactions Rules do reflect and agree to what I was trying to say in my [[Autism Tutorial|6-Part plus Extra Autism Tutorial LittleBiGPlanet Animation (PSN: Sonichu)]].

<nowiki>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1mbTyKiqF8</nowiki>}}

===Chris Expresses His Outrage for [[Walmart]]===
On 6 September 2013, Chris was banned from Walmart, claiming [[ego|he was discriminated against]] because of (yep, you guessed it!) [[autism|his autism]]. The truth, however, is that Chris was caught vandalizing a display for the soon to be released [[HEX-BOX|Xbox One]]. This has landed him into very serious trouble, because Walmart is the only place he can get his [[Barb|mother's]] prescriptions filled. (Note: The manager's name has been removed to protect her identity.)
{{quotebox|Friday, 6 September 2013
I have just been intercepted by the "Lady" [[Manajerk]], [REDACTED]; the bitch has followed the steps of Mr. Snyder now; banned me from the Wal-Mart closest to my own house. She obviously does not understand how [[Love Quest|critical and imperative it is for me to go there.]] I Shop for my Mother from there; it is Closer than the one in Charlottesville; GAS IS EXPENSIVE!!! She has crossed his line, and now I am out for [[Metal Gear|revengence]]. Everyone should contact her at her email address of [REDACTED], and remind her that no one is to mess with an [[Chris|Autistic Person]] when they are in a [[stress|depressed, sad, angry or foul mood]], especially with the online reputation that was dragged through the worst [[ED|mud]], [[CWCki|muck]] and [[semen|bodily fluids]] that said Autistic Person has.

She has proven herself to be a [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|cold-hearted]], [[remorse|uncaring]], uncompassionate, [[naive|lack-of-understanding]], bigoted, [[race|discriminating]], [[ego|selfish]], [[Mary Lee Walsh|Mary Lee Walshing]], Witch Bitch!

If anyone is in the store and sees this woman, TELL IT TO HER FACE THAT SHE IS DISCRIMINATIVE TO AUTISTIC PEOPLE; THAT SHE IS A [[Chris and Hypocrisy|FAT BITCH]]; AND THAT HER LIFE WILL BE A MASSIVE [[Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha|CURSED]] LIFE LIKE [[Michael Snyder|SNYDER'S]] IF SHE AND HER WHITE-COATED ASSISTANT DOES NOT UNBAN CHRISTIAN WESTON CHANDLER IMMEDIATELY!!! AND MY MOTHER WILL HAVE A LOUD, AGGRESSIVE WORD WITH HER AS WELL IF THEY MEET.

[[Death threats|[REDACTED] is FIRED FROM LIFE!!!]]}}
Kenneth Engelheardt then replied:
{{quoteboxred|What in the name of God are you trying to pull posting stuff like this???? Do a Google search and simply find another Wal-Mart.}}
Chris Rhodes, one of Chris's high school friends then posted:
{{quoteboxred|I think the biggest question is what did you do to get kicked out...and don't say you did nothing wrong cause that would be a lie.}}
{{quotebox|The "Man" and "Woman" want to bear down on the weak people they do not want to understand or care about; Autistic People are on the top!}}
Again, Anna tries to give him some advice:
{{quoteboxgreen|Christian, people don't just automatically know you're autistic. And they can't know automatically that you've had a rough day. In the world of neurotypicals, if someone acts aggressive (yelling or arguing) in a public place, they are considered a danger to those around them because they're unpredictable. Those of us who know you know that you're not dangerous, but people who don't know you are acting solely on the information they have about you, which to them is whatever impression you made upon them with your first interactions.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|I think it would be constructive to bring your mother with you and sit down and speak rationally with her instead of blaming everything on her. Apologize for anything you did that she thinks was wrong, even if you don't think it was wrong. You'll really just be apologizing for making her upset, because I'm sure you didn't mean to. Then explain how important it is that you be allowed to continue shopping there, and promise that there will be no future incidents. I think that's probably the best course of action.}}
Chris Rhodes then posted:
{{quoteboxred|You have to wake up son! And grasp the fact that everyone is not out to get you. 99.9 percent of the world doesn't know you have issues. They see someone acting odd and they try to take care of the situation.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|To be fair, Chris (Rhodes), the majority of Christian's experience with the world has certainly made it seem like the world's out to get him. The daily bombardment he has received from people who hate him (but don't know him) for no good reason (since 2007!) has certainly been effective in creating the appearance of everyone hating him.}}
{{quotebox|To Kenneth Englehardt: I added an "H" and an "E" to an XBox One Standee in Permanent Ink while under anger from past issues.}}
{{quotebox|I can't bring my mother in; she has had enough problems gone on; I am not telling her, because she is in a recovering mood after the court date yesterday.}}
Posts are then exchanged between Chris Rhodes and Chris:
{{quoteboxred|So you vandalized a display sign...your lucky that's all that happened.}}
{{quotebox|I got BANNED AGAIN! Do you NOT get it?}}
{{quoteboxred|I get it. You committed an arrestable offense but they gave you a break and banned you.}}
{{quotebox|that is NOT a break, being Banned; THAT is a Crime.}}
{{quoteboxred|Any property owner/manager/rep has the RIGHT to tell you to leave, tell you not to come back, or so on. And if you do not obey their wishes you can and will be arrested for trespassing. I know what I am talking about christian.}}
{{quotebox|They do not.}}
{{quotebox|And if they do, they are most in the wrong, because they are most abusive and overzealous of their "authoritative power" that never has existed ever.}}
After that, William Elliott Waterman tries to give him some advice, but like Anna's and the previous post, his advice is brushed off.
{{quoteboxgreen|Chris, that's not public property. You can't just go writing whatever you want on it. How would you feel if you were trying to sell PS3s and somebody wrote "POO" in front of the PS on your sign?}}
{{quotebox|Frustration is blind.}}

===God Trolls Chris Yet Again===

[[Image:God_trolling.jpg|thumb|This is what Chris actually believes.]]

On September 7, 2013, Chris expresses his blasphemous outrage at [[Chris_and_religion|God]] after he was caught scratching a woman's car by a [[jerkop]]. He also wishes that God would kill him very soon. It would also seem that Chris has slowly began to descend into a newfound life of crime ever since [[28_October_2011|the incident in October of 2011]].

Characteristic of Chris, he continues to pass the buck for his own blame, this time blaming both God and the woman he hit for being a "damn Smoker!".
{{quotebox|Saturday, 7 September 2013
God is giving me the Middle Finger yet again! I backed up and scratched a car in El Agave Lot! And she's a damn Smoker! Now the damn [[Jerkop]] is giving me a hard time, because I am [[anger|screaming]] up at Freaking Emanuel God! I want God to just kill me Now if he is going to [[Kick_the_autistic|keep giving me middle fingers and a damned difficult life]]!!!}}
Vivienne Chaloux responded with:
{{quoteboxred|This is a very disrespectful thing to say for someone who professes to be a Christian. God didn't make you scratch that woman's car Christian; your carelessness did. And what does her being a smoker have to do with anything? Are you suggesting that somehow she deserved this?}}
{{quoteboxred|And Chris, please do yourself a favor and stop using childish terms like "Jerkop". It not only makes you look immature and foolish, but it's also likely to alienate any potential allies/sympathizers. You're a thirty-something man. Time to start acting like one and taking responsibility for your actions. Blaming God for scratching that woman's car isn't just disrespectful - it's crazy talk.}}
Soon after, Kenneth Engelhardt responded with:
{{quoteboxgreen|Fender bender: Happens to everyone.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|Damn! This just isn't your weekend.}}
Matt Stufano responded with:
{{quoteboxgreen|Happens to everyone at some point. Don't turn your anger to the big man in the sky, Life doesn't come with a road map buddy. We all have times of frustration and doubt, but its all part of life. At some point you have to understand that we are all dealt a hand in life that we don't like, but its up to us to make the cards fall the best way we can. I know you like Temple Grandin ( as do I); shes an amazing example for everyone on how life can throw you a curve ball. I find an amazing amount of inspiration in her life. As a friend I would suggest you not call out people by name and blast them on FB, it really does nothing but stir the pot more. Plus you know how it feels, so my advise is to just work on being a better YOU everyday and see where that leads you. Positivity and intensity for life and what your passionate about is much better than hanging on to old grudges. Hang in there !!!}}
Vivienne Chaloux replied to Kenneth Engelhardt, and this soon became back and forth [[white_knight|white knighting]].
{{quoteboxred|I agree Matt, but Temple Grandin didn't waste her time whining about what a hard life she had or the difficult hand she'd been dealt. Instead, she chose to work with what she had, focusing on her unique abilities; and the results were spectacular. If Christian spent less time either whining or making angry rants on public forums, and instead, channeled all that energy into doing something constructive with his life, he'd be a much happier, more productive individual. The first step he needs to take is to acknowledge that he has a problem, as evidenced by these last two incidents, and get himself some professional help.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|I would prefer to wait until the end of one's days before passing judgment. We don't know what will happen in 5, 10, or 20 years. My intuition is telling me that he's exhausted and simply wants to put all this crap behind him and move on.}}
{{quoteboxred|Kenneth, I know you mean well and, believe it or not, so do I. The problem is that these two latest incidents aren't isolated ones. Christian has had difficulties with law enforcement since his days at PVCC, and that was before the trolls really discovered him. I'm not passing judgement on Chris, that's not my place. What i am saying though is that Chris needs help - professional help, before he gets himself in real trouble. These last two incidents make that painfully obvious. He dodged a bullet with the Walmart incident. He is very lucky that Ms. Utz took pity on him. Next time he might run into an individual who isn't feeling so charitable. In short Kenneth, I appreciate what you're trying to do, but I think it's time to take off the gloves. Chris is a thirty-something man, and he should be capable of handling the truth, even if that means that he may have to hear some things that seem overly critical. A little "tough love" can be a good thing.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|Vivienne, there is a point where you have to draw the line. Sometimes the best thing for a stressed-out frazzled individual is to simply let him rest and let time heal the wounds.}}
{{quoteboxred|Do you know why Christian is so stressed out? I'm a little confused here because, as far as I know, he doesn't have a job or go to school. He also doesn't seem to have a lot of responsibilities, other than running the odd errand here and there and possibly household chores. It seems like he's getting plenty of rest to me. Time often heals certain wounds, but it has as yet failed to do so in Christian's case. I still think that professional counseling is his best option.}}

==Notes From His Friends==
=== Just re-watched your DVD with a friend.===
On 9 [[June 2013]], [[Anna McLerran]] posted:
{{quoteboxred|Just rewatched your [[DVD]] with a friend. She agrees with me that you are a sweetheart and it made me really miss you. I wished you lived close so I could introduce you to her-she's married, but she would make a great friend to you. I got to thinking when you and I first met and I pulled out my folder of all the things you've sent or given me over the years- your comics, letters, cards. It all just serves to illustrate what a [[White Knight|remarkable injustice]] these [[Trolls|people]] have done to you through the years. I don't care what anyone says, [[Death threats|you]] [[Twin Falling Towers|do]] [[Homos|not]] [[Megan_Emails,_2008#Megan_is_scarred_by_ShecameforCWC.JPG|deserve]] [[CWC_Calls_Out_Three_Na%C3%AFve_YouTubers#CWC_Calls_Out_sonichuizcool|an]] [[Facebook#Imgur|ounce]] [[White_knight#Autism_does_not_excuse_a_terrible_person|of]] [[Chris and anger|hate]]. You're an incredible person with [[Chris and art|incredible creativity and talent]], and I hope that your ability to create has not dimmed too much. I wish [[CWCki|more people knew the real you]] instead of this [[CWCFlyingElephants|strange]] [[Death Threats|monster]] [[ED|the internet]] thinks you are. But I suppose that's how it is with celebrities of all kinds- people think they know them, but they never really do. [[Gal Pal|I love you]], and consider you one of my dearest friends and one of my most favorite people in the world. Stay strong, Christian. You have more [[Chaotic Combo|allies]] than you think.}}
Chris then posted:
{{quotebox|I have done that a LOT for my past friends as well, including [[Megan Schroeder]]. If only SHE had realized the same ideas you have just shared, maybe she would have not seen me as a weird freak and start this whole mess against me in the first place in 2007. <nowiki>|:(</nowiki>}}
William Elliott Waterman replied to Chris:
{{quoteboxgreen|Chris, why are you demonizing Megan? I don't think she actively did anything with the intent to make others see you the way they do. Why are you harping on something from 2007?}}
{{quoteboxgreen|I think if you were just grateful you have a friend who loves you, and didn't waste time thinking about the bad, you would be feeling a lot better.}}

===Let's all go to Disneyland together!===
On 13 [[June 2013]], [[Anna McLerran]] posted:
{{quoteboxred|Dana Mahri Linnea Hiltzheimer Christian Weston Chandler hey guys let's all go to Disneyland together!}}

===I am sending you good energy===
On 24 [[June 2013]], Mary McLerran, relative of [[Anna McLerran]], posted:
{{quoteboxgreen|Hi Christian. I am sending you good energy. Sorry there are so many [[Trolls|mean people]] who have hurt you. Enjoy each day and find joy in small simple things that bring you pleasure.}}
Chris then replied:
{{quotebox|Whoopee. That'll bring pretty, single, well-organized women around to make the first move on me. (:0}}

===I'm sending you love, too===
On 24 [[July 2013]], Mary McLerran, again, posted:
{{quoteboxgreen|I love your hand shape on your profile pix: the hand shape means love in sign language. I'm sending you love, too. This is Anna's mom.}}
Chris then replied:
{{quotebox|What hand shape?}}
Mary then replied:
{{quoteboxgreen|Just under your name in the yellow shape.}}
{{quoteboxgreen|Thumb, index and pinkie fingers. Look up "ILY" on google images.}}

===You're a real nice guy, Chris===
On 3 [[August 2013]], William Elliott Waterman posted:
{{quoteboxgreen|I heard [[Anna]]'s voice over the phone. She told me about how far back you guys go. You're a real nice guy, Chris.}}

===William Elliott Waterman's FUTURE MESSAGE===
On 7 [[August 2013]], after seeing his name being mentioned several times on the CWCki, despite less to zero people caring about him, William Elliott Waterman, one of Chris's friends on Facebook (even though most of Chris's friends on Facebook are actually [[Anna McLerran]]'s friends in the first place) posts a TL;DR [[White knight|whiteknighting]] open message to the trolls, posting how he's no better than Chris (even though he had a [[job]]), calling the trolls that they're the [[Chris and his Ego|same level as Chris]], and wants the DANG, DIRTY trolls to go ahead and troll him. (You know, as if anyone has an interest in confronting or fighting him anyway)

{{quoteboxgreen|Hello, [[trolls]]. I've seen that I'm not exempt from you plastering what I say to Chris onto [[CWCki|your archives]] and [[Da Update|announcing it on your news feed]], so I'll [[Captain's Log|address you all directly]] in an [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE|open statement]].

You trolls get a lot of [[Laughs Under Lucricities|laughs]] out of [[Take that Page DOWN NOW!|the]] [[Bob Walks In|things]] Chris has done, but what you all do isn't even funny. [[CWC is Sad|It's just sad]]. You're actually dedicating [[Obesity|huge chunks]] of your daily lives [[The creepy stare|stalking]] one [[All I Want For Christmas Is a Pretty Girlfriend|lonely man]] on the [[Chris and the Internet|internet]]. Seriously? This [[Christian Weston Chandler|<nowiki>'lolcow'</nowiki>]] was dried up years ago. [[Trolls#Chris_the_Troll|You're not going to get anything entertaining out of him any more, and you're still trying to milk him.]] It's sick. NONE OF YOU are ANY BETTER THAN HIM. It doesn't matter if you're a [[Chris and hypocrisy|hypocritical]] basement-dwelling [[Virgin with rage|virgin]] that [[A-Logging|hates him just because he exists]], or [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|you're just doing it for the <nowiki>'lulls'</nowiki>]]. If somehow you're [[Merried Seinor Comic|married]], [[Jerkop|have a job]], and [[China|have everything Chris wants]], [[Chris and remorse|you should feel]] even more [[It's UGH!|disgusted in yourself]] for doing it because you have some [[Fuck quest|perversion]] for [[JERKS|taking advantage]] of [[PaRappa_the_Rapper_Contest#Aftermath|someone less fortunate]] instead of having empathy and compassion for them.

I used to be like you morons, [[Mass debating|wasting my days]] [[Cakefarts|sitting on my butt]] [[IPods Down and Listen Up|listening to everything]] you say about him. But I [[Metonic|grew up]]. I have a [[job]] and a life now, [[Infinitely-High Boyfriend-Factor|but that still doesn't make me any better than him]]. [[White knight|I'm not even better than any of you. I pity all of you]], but there's a chance you could be better people if you all made an effort to [[Vamprosa|grow up]] and [[Trollbusters|stop stalking and cyber-bullying with no honor]]. [[Attraction sign|He's not shallow and picky like you think.]] You think you all need to go on [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|covert field missions]] and [[JenkinsJinkies|disguise yourselves]] as [[BlueSpike|girlfriends]] to even talk to him. [[28 October 2011|I never met him in person]] - [[Tomgirl|I'm not even a female]] - [[Megan Schroeder|and he friend requested me]]. All I did was [[Scale of Respect|respect him]] and [[Death threats|treat him like a HUMAN BEING]].

Having a [[Heart level|heart]] and [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet|humbly admitting]] that you're at the [[Chris and his Ego|same level as him]] is all it takes, but you're all too little to do that. I'm not an [[Attention All Sonichu Fans (NOT HATERS)|attention]] [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|whore]], but [[15 January 2010|feel free to troll me if you care enough. I know you won't.]] [[Monthly tugboat|You all got so lazy]] that you just [[Chris_and_art#Tracing|copy and paste]] his activity without even writing your own commentary anymore.

Come and get me, losers. Spankety, spankety, spankety.}}

''Note: The final paragraph is a reference to Earthbound, where [http://earthbound.wikia.com/wiki/Pokey_Minch Pokey Minch] says the paragraph word for word.''

===Do you feel like your winning today?!?===
On 19 [[August 2013]], one of his new friends in [[Manchester High School]] posted:
{{quoteboxgreen|Do you feel like your winning today?!?}}
Chris then posted:
{{quotebox|Because of good friendships, yes.}}
Another one of his new friends then posted:
{{quoteboxred|That's right! WINNING!!!}}

===Fantastic Gift In The Mail Today===
On 21 [[August 2013]], another one of his new friends in [[Manchester High School]] posted:
{{quoteboxred|Thank you to Christian Weston Chandler for the fantastic gift in the mail today ! Very Cool !}}

===Got your tunes!===
On 22 [[August 2013]], his new friend in [[Manchester High School]] posted:
{{quoteboxgreen|We both got your tunes! Badass!}}

===14,386,443 out of a possible 10===
On 3 [[September 2013]], Chris whines to one of his friends about his [[stress]].

{{quoteboxred|Stress level: 14,386,443 out of a possible 10. :(}}
{{quotebox|I hear that. I have a lot of stress in my life. If not the constant haunting of the [[Trolls]]/Cyber-Bullies, all of the individual mistakes I had made in the past greater than a decade (definitely within the recent six years), bad people being awful to me..., then the in person loneliness, the great shyness in Public, my freaking, accursed [[Autism]]...; they stress my [[Obesity|blood pressure]] up, make me feel furious and angry, then I feel weak and faint.

<nowiki>*ugh.*</nowiki>}}

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|I liked a @YouTube video http://t.co/e3IAiegija My Little Pony Equestria Girls Full Movie HD
|My Little Pony Equestria Girls Full Movie (HD)
|7 July 2013
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|Christian Weston Chandler shared a link.
|Britney Spears - Ooh La La (From The Smurfs 2)
|22 July 2013
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|My online rap sheet is worse than that, and yet it is very equal in how Others want to make me out to be, which I am not: a total "epic fail" or stupid.
|MLP - Equestria Girls - Twilight montage of embarrassing
|7 August 2013
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|I liked a @YouTube video http://t.co/nMs2yXTVPf Equestria Girls - Helping Twilight Win The Crown (Digital Version 1080p HD)
|Equestria Girls - Helping Twilight Win The Crown (Digital Version 1080p HD)
|7 August 2013
|-
|}

==Toro's Friend Network==
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|Chris Toro's Friend Network is linked with Facebook.
|4 June 2013
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|Has made 1 friend. Chris, it's nice to meet you. Nya.
|5 June 2013
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|Chris bought a new Garden, "The Abandoned Station is Mystery Land", for me. Thanks. Nya.
|5 June 2013
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|Has made 10 friends. Nya. Chris Thanks. Nyaa.
|6 June 2013
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|Chris bought a new Garden, "Toro's Friend Network Park", for me. Thanks. Nya.
|6 June 2013
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|Chris bought a new Garden, "The Beach with a Stranded Ship", for me. Thanks. Nya.
|6 June 2013
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|Has made 20 friends. Nya. I knew Chris could do it. Nyaa.
|7 June 2013
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|Has made 30 friends. Nya. I love Chris. Nyaa.
|11 June 2013
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|Bonjour~I'm Pierre~Woof. Congratulations on clearing floor 20 of this dungeon. Woof!
|11 June 2013
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|Chris bought a new Garden, "Mysterious Temple", for me. Thanks. Nya.
|11 June 2013
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|Has made 40 friends. Nya. Chris is awesome. Nyaa.
|12 June 2013
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|Oh! I'm Ricky~Quark! Congratulations on clearing floor 30 of this dungeon. Ribbit!
|12 June 2013
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|Sorry to interrupt. I'm R. Suzuki. Congratulations on clearing floor 40 of this dungeon.
|12 June 2013
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|Has made 50 friends. Nya. Chris is so popular. Nyaa.
|12 June 2013
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|}

==#mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle==
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/pzFCf8NenG
|11 June 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/02CHyoAx3M
|12 June 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/wghhe9kxXX
|13 June 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/pRlqbd7zp6
|14 June 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/GiglbMxxwK
|15 June 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/jOAcUKh7UB
|16 June 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/EZGOrEbNf9
|30 June 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/OgqJxu6Mln
|2 July 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/hsj9IavWaD
|3 July 2013
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|I'm earning #mPOINTS Rewards in Crackle. http://t.co/1TVK2YcIgZ
|3 July 2013
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|}

==iOS==
On 8 May, 2012, activity on Chris's Facebook page read that he recently installed the Facebook app for the iPhone, which suggests that he purchased an iPhone or iPod touch. The resolution of some of his more [[:File:Chris_FB_Profile_PIc_(May_8th,2012).png|recent]] [[:File:Difficult_time_lady.jpg|photos]] also fuel this suggestion. <ref>[[:File:Screen_shot_2012-05-08_at_2.18.33_PM.png|Screenshot]]</ref>

The "CyanIndigo" screenshot in Chris's post-arraignment message sports a status bar with the "nTelos" name on top. Given that nTelos is a regional cell phone carrier in the Charlottesville, VA area, this all but confirms that Chris has indeed [[Chris and money|wasted even more taxpayer money on expensive luxuries he does not need]]. Sure enough, on Sunday 19th May, 2013, he confirmed that he not only had a 4th Gen iPod Touch, but a 5th Gen iPhone as well. While one ''would'' assume that he bought the 5th Gen as a replacement ''(never mind that he could have just replaced the screen as far less of a cost)'', he confirms that he broke the 4th Gen one shortly before an article published on the day before ''(which was, conincidentally or not, about broken screens)''. According to him, one is for entertainment, and the other is for taking calls, "business" and going on the Internet. This, combined with the fact that he designed a duct-tape case to hold both devices, points to Chris needlessly owning the two of them for the sake of having the latest technology.

==Imgur==
{{main|2013 Imgur Leak}}
On 26th May, 2013, Chris threw a temper tantrum on Facebook, and he quickly revealed the reason why: somebody on his Friends List had screencapped all of his Facebook status updates (including the ones that were hidden) and [http://imgur.com/a/1HYJJ uploaded them on Imgur.] The screenshots not only revealed a lot of what Chris was going through between 2011 and 2013 ''(as well as a deluge of posts complaining about how lonely he was)'' but also revealed a very dark side about Chris as well - several photos revealed that he wanted [[Michael Snyder|several]] [[Megan Schroeder|people]] [[Death threats|dead]], and one post in particular demanded that somebody kill [[Mimms]]' girlfriend.

The biggest irony of it all is that the one who exposed all of this previously unknown (and very unsavory) information was ''[[Chris_and_his_Ego#Surrendering_Information|Chris himself.]]''

==Gallery==
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Image:Cwcfacebook1.jpg|Wall
Image:Cwcfacebook2.jpg|Profile, Part 1
Image:Cwcfacebook3.jpg|Profile, Part 2
Image:Cwcfacebook4.jpg|Profile, Part 3
Image:Cwcfacebook5.jpg|
Image:Cwcfacebook6.jpg|
Image:Cwcfacebook7.jpg
Image:Cwcfacebook8.jpg
Image:Cwcfacebook9.jpg
Image:Cwcfacebook10.jpg
Image:Christina1.jpg|17-year-old Christina 1
Image:Christina2.jpg|17-year-old Christina 2
Image:Christina3.jpg|17-year-old Christina 3
Image:Cwcfacebook11.jpg|Chris rejects a single mom. The ironic thing is that this woman was the only one vaguely interested in meeting up with Chris.
Image:Cwcfacebook12.jpg|"Do I know you?" 1
Image:Cwcfacebook13.jpg|"Do I know you?" 2
Image:Cwcfacebook14.jpg
Image:Cwcfacebook15.jpg
Image:Cwcfacebook16.jpg
Image:Cwcfacebook17.jpg
Image:Cwcfacebook18.jpg
Image:Chrisfacebook2011.png| A screencap of Chris's page from [[July 2011]].
File:Chris's Jan 23rd 2012 profile pic.png | Chris's page in [[2012]].
File:Christran2.jpg | Another Facebook profile picture in 2012. Note that it is in the same place as the previous profile picture except Chris is smiling in this one.
File:Chris%27s_FB_Profile_pic_as_of_2-2-12_at_10.58.51_AM.png | Chris's Profile as of Feb 2012.
File:Cwcfacebook.png|Chris, now with head band.
File:Chris%27s_FB_Profile_and_Note_as_of_02-06-12_at_1.01.29_AM.png| New note about friend requests.
File:Chfb1.png| February leak Part 1
File:Chfb2.png| February leak Part 2
File:Chfb3.png| February leak Part 3
File:Chfb4.png| February leak Part 4
File:Cwc.png|February leak Part 5
File:61013333.jpg|Full size Picture of Drawing.
File:Fbnote1.PNG|Facebook public note 1 (31 March 2012)
File:Fbnote2.PNG|Facebook public note 2 (id.)
File:Ufr.PNG|Another public note.
File:DoubleDogDare.png|Chris double dog daring the intruder of his facebook.
File:Derpy.PNG|The first brony speaks.
File:FSM2.PNG|Chris's master trolling attempt.
File:Noet chris knows now about us.png|Great Director is watching you.
File:Readinposts.PNG|Chris mocks Lucrid.
File:Trollies.PNG|Chris fucked a hooker.
File:HeyDoofs.PNG|Chris white knighting [[Anna]].
File:Chris_FB_Profile_PIc_(May_8th,2012).png| A profile picture as of May 8th,2012.
File:Temporary note on chris' facebook.png
File:Screen shot 2012-05-08 at 2.18.33 PM.png
File:Koreans.PNG| Chris on Eastern Cuisine.
File:Train wreck.JPG
File:Chris whines about ponies.JPG| Chris whining after seeing [[My Little Pony]] related "Dark Parodies." He takes particular offense at the tomboyish Rainbow Dash being killed.
File:Chris hates dark humor.png| Rant about the effect "Dark Parodies" of his own comic had on him.
File: difficult time lady.jpg| Photo Chris took of an elderly black woman who he claimed gave him a "difficult time".
File:Fbp2.png| Chris approves of this depiction of [[Chris and religion|GodJesus]].
File:Fbp3.png| Chris continues to make [[Doctor Robotnik|Dr. Robotnik]] unfunny.
File:Fbp4.png
File:Fbp5.png
File:Fbp6.png| Chris believes a Burger King employee to be a troll who is using his cell phone to communicate with others of "his kind".
File:Fbp7.png
File:Fbp8.png| Chris goes to see the Mythbusters, but is not picked for the Q&A.
File:Fbp9.png| No comments from Chris, and yes, even Anna is speechless.
File:Fbp10.png| Chris accuses Megan of being a troll nearly five years after the fact.
File:Fbp11.png| Nice to see [[Lego]]s haven't gone anywhere.
File:Fbp12.png| Barb with Chris at Mythbusters tour.
File:Chris Long Hair.jpg| A profile pic as of October 19th, 2012, showing Chris has grown his hair longer.
File:CWC Shampoo.jpg| Chris uses [[wikipedia:Garnier Fructis|Garnier Fructis]] Shampoo and Conditioner.
File:CWC Approved.jpg| Timeline cover art
File:1021fb.png|An Appeal to Humanity.
File:Chris Lego.jpg|Chris as a Lego figure. Profile picture, November 2012.
File:Facebook1.jpg|Lego Chris is reaching the heavens....
File:Facebook2.jpg|....and doesn't succeed.
File:ChrisGayMarriage.PNG|Anna finally calls Chris out on his bullshit.
File:He_just_compared_online_socialization_to_rape.jpg|Chris, comparing socializing online to RAPE.
File:Chris-Chan_-_FB_-_Equestria Girls.png|Chris whining about ''Equestria Girls''.
File:IdeaBookCaseClosed.jpg|The iDea Book Case
File:IdeaBookCaseSpine.jpg|
File:IdeaBookCaseOpen.jpg|
File:IdeaBookCaseSide.jpg|
File:Chris facebook pic 5-29-13.jpg|U Gotta Believe!
File:TheLancers.jpg|Go Lancers!
File:MarkCuban.png|A photo of [[Wikipedia:Mark Cuban|Mark Cuban]] Chris uploaded on 15 [[August 2013]]. Which does not contribute to the riddle so far.
File:LemonPoundCake.jpg|''Lemon Almond Cake: a business woman's favorite food; cookies or cake; a Delaware bakery recommends Lemon and Almond cookies.''
File:UniversityOfDelaware.jpg|''Delaware Blue Hens: Delaware; opposite of Basketball is Soccer; Soccer is Futbol; Delaware's Football team.''
File:TwisterBluray.jpg|''Twister: Hens live on a farm; farm in Kansas; Wizard of Oz; Tornado to Twister.''
File:RishikeshIndianWoman.jpg|''Covered Indian Woman: Twister on Blu Ray; water is blue with sky reflection; water makes ice; ice goes into beverages served in restaurants; restaurants in India serve soy and veggie; cow worship; women there wear robes.''
File:Sphinx.jpg|''Sphinx: Indian people are similar to tribes in Africa in color and children's attire; the great deserts lie beyond the tribal forests; wherein reside the Egyptian Pyramids and the Sphinx.''
File:GreatWallOfChina.png|''Great Wall of China: the Sphinx is half human/half lion; lions are cat family; there are cats in coffee shops in Japan; the written characters there are similar but different to China's characters; China is famous for its Great Wall.''
File:BR6NNHFCMAA0q4O.jpg large.jpg|''Smurfette playing Munroe: the Great Wall is made of stone and rocks; there are rocks in lava; lava is liquid fire; fire burns trees; logs are made from trees; there are log throwing competitions in Scottland; Scottish wear kilts; Gutsy Smurf wears a Kilt; showed off with Smurfette.''
File:BR6NQc6CIAAOoGJ.jpg large.jpg|''Mayflower: Mony Python made a story of the Scottish being made from the British for aliens to win at Wimbledon; The British reside in England; to escape the rule to freedom, they crafted and sailed on the Mayflower.''
File:BR6VLK2CIAE-j6m.jpg large.jpg|Chris's absurd riddle.
File:ChrisChan27August.jpg|
File:LadyManajerk.PNG|
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==See also==
*[[Facebook messages]]
*[[Facebook statuses]]
==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?imfjwnjrzi0 Notes]
*[http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?20mnnd1juu5 Status]
*[http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100002534669114 His new Facebook profile]
*[http://imgur.com/a/1HYJJ Imgur Account]
*[https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B6mRSOBYFcaBT0w4RktXQWNuYUU/edit?usp=sharing Backup of the Imgur album] (Last updated 6/29/13 tell me on my [http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/User_talk:Pyromcr talk page] if more has been added to the Imgur album and this backup is no longer up to date.)
{{The Internet}}
[[Category:Chris's websites]]

User:Champthom

2013-09-09T15:05:04Z

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I'm an admin, that's all you need to know frankly.

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CWCki:General

2013-09-09T15:04:26Z

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*[[CWCki:General/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 3]]

For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.

=="No shit is too minor"==

This is something that's been on my mind for a while and I feel like getting it off my chest now. It's about our motto "No shit is too minor." I get this impression that people think it means "We have a duty to document every facet of Chris, we must know everything about Chris, if Chris takes a shit we need to document it and keep track of his bowel movements." I think that isn't the case.

First off, "no shit is too minor" is something someone just came up with one day and I thought it suited us well. It's not something I came up with or anything, but I've liked it because what I've always interpreted it as is "We shouldn't overlook things about Chris." At times, people can be like "Oh, we don't need to worry about this recording, we've looked over it before," that is that they will overlook material about Chris or not think it's important. I think the "no shit is too minor" in that as wiki editors we should dig through the content we do have and try and find new insights about Chris in it. For instance, when I first watched the [[The 24th Wedding Anniversary Special]] I didn't think much of it. I was like "Okay, Chris is rambling on and doing Animal Crossing shit, who cares?" But then I watched it another day and noticed that he talks a lot about his parents and how they met, that's some pretty significant information. It doesn't mean we have to analyze his choice of font in the video, or we need to do a Freudian analysis of his music choices, but merely we shouldn't overlook things.

Anyways, I could go on but what I think we need to do is not to overlook the little things, that's how I've interpreted, rather than "Chris has a bowel movement, we need to document it and we need to know Chris's regularity" which is how I see a lot of people interpret it as.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:25, 27 January 2012 (PST)
*I agree completely, and encourage you to consider getting a new motto. I think the current one brings out people's spergy side. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:28, 27 January 2012 (PST)
** as i have said before, once you start leaving out details its like cancer. its all or nothing eventually. Either include everything because you never know what is or is going to be important (Elvis died on the crapper), or just dont include anything. if chris is irregular, well that sounds unimportant, but down the road that simple detail could help someone figure out something else. Logic requires detail for extrapolation of facts. more detail, more extrapolation, more facts...[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 07:03, 27 January 2012 (PST)
** a possible new motto would be "Just the facts" or "The devil is in the details"
**No, cancer would be filling up the CWCki with too many pointless details. Champ's rant was all about how we DON'T need to write about every little trivial aspect of Chris's life. It's fine to leave stupid shit out, and that's what we're trying to do. And, that is also why we are having this discussion about a possible new motto. That said, I think you have some good ideas for possible alternate mottos, and I highly encourage Champ if he's reading this to consider them. Also, you have to sign all your posts, not just your first one. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 07:55, 27 January 2012 (PST)
*** Define what is 'stupid' clearly... What facts should be left out? COnjecture, that should be left out.. Opinion, that should be left out... But NO FACT no matter HOW MINISCULE should ever be left out, lest it be gone forever. The simple things, the details, the minutia, thats where the truth of Chris really lies...[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 09:12, 7 February 2012 (PST)

== Linking quotes ==

Ok so i was reading the PS3 article over and notices that chris is quoted saying 'I'd throw away the cure for autism' where the word autism is linked to the autism page. well on the Pixelated_PS3 page (where the video lives that the quote comes from) autism is is also linked to the word autism.. ok here is the issue, when quoting chris on a page other then the one that has the original video, should we link the quote to that page directly? i mean we seem to link all kinds of stuff to all kinds of stuff but a barely see any quotes linked back to the source of the quote. Just asking what the protocol is for that?
*We usually do link back the quotes in the article text around them or in the quote description. I don't think that there is any set in stone policy about it, but I can't really think of any instance where a quote's source has not been linked in the article somewhere. If you can though, by all means show me where. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 07:55, 27 January 2012 (PST)
* if i run across it i will rectify it, the source is linked in the citation on the page i was talking about so there is a link, Chris is obviously quoted often so im sure there are quotes on pages with no back links. i guess creating citations for quotes is the best way to go.

== Megaupload and Filesharing sites ==

I've noticed that in quite a few articles that include things for download the link that lead to recently shut down file serving sites have been closed. Is it a priority to fix these? [[User:Granola|Granola]] 06:42, 13 February 2012 (PST)
*Yes, it is a priority (and a quite large one at that). I am currently fixing the ones that I can and moving the ones that are still working to Google Drive. Drive will probably never shut down and the files will never be removed. Please feel free to do the same to any download links that you find that are not on Google Drive or are broken. [[User:Pyromcr|Pyromcr]] 8:18, 21 July 2012 (CST)

== Chris and violence ==

Chris and violence have a long relationship. He has not only threatened violence, but also responded to threats of violence. He has performed tasks under the threat of violence and requested that tasks be performed with violence as an alternative..

The point here is that anger is one thing and violence is another. Chris has enough of a relationship with different areas of violence, that i believe that it deserves an article in the '''Chris and''' series.

Violence itself should not be lumped with anger. Anger is an emotion where as violence is an act (or in many cases the threat of an act) anger deals with how chris feels toward a specific situation where as violence deals with how Chris acts. im not a great christorian but i know enough to understand that ''''Chris and violence'''' is a subject that deserves a page on this wiki... [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 05:31, 9 March 2012 (PST)
*First, we already have the [[Death Threats]] article, so that kind of counts. Second, Chris is pretty much [[Power|incapable]] of violence anyway (unless he gets his hands on a gun, but why would he buy a gun when that can go into [[vidya]]?), so anger and threats are all he's going to get. While I agree that he does seem to resort to violence pretty often, I have to say that he often channels that anger into various things we already have articles on, whether it be the [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha]] or the death threats previously mentioned. [[User:Boriki|Boriki]] 20:42, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
** Im not entirely convinced. The article i was thinking about is not just focused on chris DOING violence, but how he perceives violence, his bigotry regarding violence, and how he reacts to threats of violence. Basically chris is a bully, a pussy and generally has no empathy.[[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 05:01, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
***Sounds rather pointless to me. The Chris and series in general just seems to be a way to take potshots at Chris nowadays, but they do have their place and they do cover a lot of things that would be hard to place into other articles. [[Chris and the law]] for instance I think is a page we needed to have. It could have ''maybe'' been placed into the [[Jerkop]] article, but it would have been wildly out of place. Now Chris and Violence on the other hand is something that very easily folds into articles like [[Death Threats]] and [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha]], or even [[Chris and anger]]. Really, if you want to go into Chris's perception of violence, most of what you'd come up with would be ninety percent speculation anyway. You can try to write up the article yourself, and if anything is salvageable and CWCki appropriate we could make it into a [[Chris and anger]] subsection, but it's hardly appropriate for its own article. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:38, 23 March 2012 (PDT)

== A-Logging ==

I've been thinking, what would you all think of a page covering "A-Logging", that is thinking that Chris is worse than Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot combine and deserves to be punished? I think this issue is sort of the opposite extreme of [[White knighting]] which we deal with. Now, I bring this up here because I ask - do you think we should have a formal article about it, ala the White knighting article, or perhaps we should make a policy about it to elaborate on [[CWCki:NPOV|NPOV]]? I think we get a lot of grief that we tend to foster A-Logs, that people will read the CWCki and think Chris is an awful person who has committed crimes against humanity (which really isn't the case). Or perhaps we should do both? My concern with an actual article on it is that A-Logging hasn't really impacted Chris trolling the same way white knighting has. A-Logs don't really fuck things up, they just make normal trolls look bad.

I think we should try to be more neutral towards Chris, critical yet fair, as I believe that ideally we should be presenting information about Chris as "This is what we know about Chris" rather than "Chris is x, y, z (and they're all bad things"). So, what do you all think? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:59, 29 April 2012 (PDT)
*Yes. We need an article like this. A legitimate article like the White Knight one that explains in detail just how stupid the whole idea is, and with examples of what has resulted from it. In particular, I think we should point out that A-Log managed to get his own Encyclopedia Dramatica page from doing so. That will deter this sperginess if nothing else. While we're at it, I also think that links to this page should be added into the CWCki's welcome message so that new users are directed to it, and it should get linked on the front page, at least for a little while, so that as many thirteen year old youtubers as possible see it. I also would not object to A-Logging being made a temporarily bannable offence, just so we can get rid of those that ignore it. I know the forums are already considered a hive for sperginess, but that's a reputation that does not need to be attached to actual wiki users. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:11, 1 May 2012 (PDT)

So is anyone else going to do this, or will I have to? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 02:11, 10 May 2012 (PDT)
*I'm currently hopped up on caffeine so I'll write out a rough draft, once I'm done I'll post it here and you can all edit it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 02:17, 11 May 2012 (PDT)
*I've started a rough draft [[User:Champthom/Alogging|here]]. By all means edit it and comment on it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 02:50, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

== Activity meter ==

I was wondering if we could setup an activity meter, kind of like the defcon or the homeland security color system. It would theoretically measure how active chris is. Just thought ot would be a nice graphic that we could update when his activity level changes. [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 09:26, 30 April 2012 (PDT)
*One of the few ideas Slimz has ever had that I'm fully behind. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:12, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
** thanks, you dont have to like my ideas, but if i have them im gonna share them, worst anyone can say is "no" [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 08:51, 3 May 2012 (PDT)
* After missing years of CWC news, I'm using the [[CWChronology]] as a gauge for activity. [[User:Axe|Axe]] 01:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)
*I'm not a fan of this idea because if it's low activity, people will get pissed and it'll worsen discontent. Plus it's subjective, Chris posting a few Facebook posts every now and then is pretty good activity nowadays, though it'd probably be considered low than the days where Chris was releasing something every day.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:31, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

== Index of terms ==

I think an index of terms that are used often would be useful.
Things like:
Solid Chris
Liquid Chris
China
Pickle
true and honest
fans
gal-pal
sweetheart

Now i know that the terms for the most part each have an article, but a single page of Chris-centric vocabulary would be nice.
thoughts [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 07:34, 9 May 2012 (PDT)

== Audio articles? ==

Someone on the CWCki Forums suggested that audio versions of articles, namely the "Chris and..." series be made so people like himself could listen to articles while he's working or driving to whatever. I suggested he post the request here, but I figure I'd help him out and post it here for him. My only concerns are 1) do you all think there is sufficient demand for audio articles (in other words, would anyone else besides this guy be interested in them?) and 2) does anyone here have a pleasant voice to read an article with?

I don't think it's a bad idea, I mean it would make Chris accessible to the blind and people who don't feel like reading articles and would rather listen to them, but it's not like it's a huge, huge priority. I'm mostly posing this here to gauge responses, namely if anyone else would be interested in audio articles.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:26, 30 June 2012 (PDT)
* there are a few problems
#This is a wiki and its always changing
#The "Chris and" series is one of the first most people read
#It would be very boring unless it was all rewritten in novel fashion

== The CWCki forums ==

I looked for it, and it was gone. What happened? - Murderdartxker 18:07, 18 November 2012 (PST)

== Kacey Calls ==

So the Youtube channel that had all the calls was banned and all the Mediafire links to the files are dead. How can we replace the videos let alone get the files back? This is a massive part of CWC history that was just destroyed and needs to be recovered.

[[User:Pyromcr|Pyromcr]] 05:38, 5 December 2012 (CST)
*I've got a handful on my computer. I'd ask on the forum. As I recall someone else has brought this up in the past. While there's some great stuff in a couple of the calls, the vast majority are duller than dishwater. --[[User:Lumber|Lumber]] 18:38, 5 December 2012 (PST)
**Upload them somewhere and fix as many broken links as you can. ~[[User:Pyromcr|Pyromcr]] 09:54, 5 December 2012 (CST)
**It doesn't matter if they're duller than dishwater or not. We're CWC historians here, and they're part of the historical record. I know there's been talk about "how minor is too minor" when it comes to recording Chris and his actions, but a trolling MP3 is an important piece of history and deserves to be re-uploaded and re-linked. --[[User:HCAndersen|HCAndersen]] 22:26, 8 January 2013 (PST)

== The state of things ==

I'll be honest, I and the rest of the staff has been doing a really lousy job keeping up with the CWCki. I don't think we need the number of mods and admins that we needed in the past when Chris was in full force but I think pretty much everyone on the staff is assuming that everyone else in the staff is keeping an eye on the CWCki and as a result, no one keeps an eye on the CWCki. I hear people will sometimes complain that Google will mark this site as an attack site and I'm wondering if it's because we're not banning people who do that sort of thing as it happens.

The big thing I plan on doing is auditing the CWCki staff, checking in on mods and admins for their current status and possibly downsizing the staff and/or replacing it with fresh blood. It's a first step towards trying to clean up on things.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:52, 24 June 2013 (PDT)

== Breaking up Facebook article ==

I think the facebook article is too big and we need to break it up into sections. I'll try to make some example pages in my userspace. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 20:34, 6 September 2013 (PDT)
* I'll break it up once we finished doing all the Facebook posts and fixing the links to the sections. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 03:15, 7 September 2013 (PDT)
*I was about to think, maybe break it up by month? Even if Chris stop doing this by, say, the end of the month, it wouldn't be a waste to have a "September 2013 Facebook posts" article. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:04, 9 September 2013 (PDT)

User talk:Alan Pardew

2013-09-09T15:02:39Z

Champthom: /* For Pete's sake */ new section

Talk:CWCki Forums

2013-08-31T13:58:39Z

Champthom:

I didn't feel comfortable making an article, given I founded the forum, but given that Chris will refer to things on the forum, that he is an occasional lurker, plus others in the /cwc/ community will make references to the forum (though usually derogatory).

Maybe talk about the screencaps, a screenshot of what the forum looks like for a regular user, just don't get too detailed as we're mostly interested in how it's relevant to Chris and not so much about the history of the forum itself.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:06, 25 October 2012 (PDT)

: I've rewritten the introduction a bit and expanded on what the boards are for, but that's all pretty self-evident. The main contribution here is the introduction of links to forward curious people to the boards.
: I'd include the screenshots, but I don't have them, and people have correctly pointed out that maybe advertising the board as a "Chris Hotspot" would be counterproductive to the quality of the forum.
: It'd be someone else's call on what to do with that. I think some notable events, notable posters (such as Asperchu's Creator), and some screenshots of Chris' facebook statuses would contribute to the ''value'' of the wiki article immensely. --[[User:Null|Null]] 11:00, 27 October 2012 (PDT)

The forums have been down for nearly a week. Should I be concerned? [[User:Farm Zombie|Farm Zombie]] 21:00, 11 November 2012 (PST)
:We should have a new site up and running within the next couple days. We still haven't heard back from Forumer, so who knows if/when that will be resolved. They're not handling this very professionally. Either way, stay tuned. Things will be fixed shortly. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 12:13, 12 November 2012 (PST)
Somebody complained about cyberbullying, huh? Sigh. [[User:Farm Zombie|Farm Zombie]] 14:28, 12 November 2012 (PST)

TOS'd again on 1/29/13. Any news on a new board? [[User:Methdera|Strato]] 22:04, 29 January 2013 (PST)

Hate to say it, but I'm considering of making a new relief forum. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 17:06, 30 January 2013 (PST)

I created a new forum which is not under forumer. Now let me edit something to make it ready. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 17:16, 30 January 2013 (PST)

I hope it's not verboten to write about "paintingatree". Has anybody saved his posts? [[User:Hasharin|Hasharin]] 16:56, 7 May 2013 (PDT)

==Paintingtree==
I can't confirm or deny it's Chris, but saying it is, why are we saying it's his final post? He could come back, I don't think he's banned, I usually know who gets banned, so we can't really it's really final. Don't be so pessimistic. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:58, 31 August 2013 (PDT)

CWCki Forums

2013-08-31T13:56:13Z

Champthom: I know I'm not on here all the time but c'mon people, those boxes go at the BOTTOM of articles dudes. Read Wikipedia.

[[Image:CWCki_Forums_as_Guest.png|thumb|A view of the forum as a Guest. In order to view forum content for General or Lolcow General, you must register for an account.]]

{{quote|Why don't you and that damn [[Cwcki]] just go ahead and die off the [[Internet]] already so I can finally find some peace of my life?|[[Chris]] says 'Hello' to the forum users as "paintingatree", 23 May 2013.}}
{{quote|You God Damn Pinheads!!!! I have already told you; Chris has told you!!!! The Riddle's answer was the FUCKING PITTSBURG PIRATES!!!! CHRISTIAN IS NOT A GOD DAMNED HOMO!!!! CHRISTIAN IS STRAIGHT!!!! He gets hard over women!! He vomits at males!!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR GOD DAMNED, DEMENTED, THICK SKULLS, YOU GOD DAMNED PINHEADS!!!!

I should know very well, because I Am Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, VA, himself!!!!

You god damned [[JERKS|males]] make me vomit, sick and [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|shit]]!!|The final post by Chris on 24 August 2013.}}
[[File:137704626985.jpg|thumb|400px|This is basically it.]]
The [https://www.cwckiforums.com/ '''CWCki Forums'''] is a message board loosely affiliated with the [[CWCki]]. It is frequented by many of the wiki regulars and other people interested of all things Christorical. Its primary purpose is to allow users to discuss and speculate about [[Chris]], without needing to do so in the [[CWCki:NAF|CWCki talk pages]]. Previously hosted on Yuku, the forum had two incarnations hosted on Forumer and a Forumms.net incarnation since January 2012, but currently, since 3 February 2013, it's address is https://www.cwckiforums.com/.

It's assumed that Chris lurks on the boards regularly, and screenshots of the forum have appeared on his [[Facebook]] account. His exact motivations for doing this are not clear, but it has been speculated that he intended to use the screen caps as proof of a troll conspiracy including [[Michael Snyder]]. Robert Bell, Chris's lawyer, was apparently unpersuaded by Chris's legal acumen and did not enter any screen caps into evidence.

It is also known that Chris was even posting on one of previous incarnations of the forum in 2012, under nickname "paintingatree". In his few posts, he generally tried to defend himself under the guise of a remorseful troll. This fact alone, as well as his [[Chris and writing|writing style]], and posting habits (posting rarely, never in the same thread again and never trying to start a conversation with other users) made his presence somewhat a open secret.

Surprisingly, Chris registered again under the same nickname in February 2013. He wrote the first post on 23 May, in which he made it clear that it was him. In spite of this, [[Slow-in-the-minds|in other posts he pretended to be someone else.]] As it could be expected, he was trying to defend himself again (mostly from accusations of being [[Homos|homosexual]], since many users, knowing that they're being watched, jokingly concluded that the meaning behind his absurd [[Facebook#The_Riddle|Facebook riddle]] is that Chris wants to [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet|come out of the closet]]), and was very rude to the users in almost all of his posts. Being in the process of adding old friends from his [[Manchester High|high school]] on FB, he also asked if anybody found [[Tiffany Gowen]].

==Boards==
Most boards on the CWCki Forums are about discussing Chris or the forum itself.

* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=8 '''Chris'''] - General discussion and speculation about Chris, his activities, and the world of [[Christory]].
** [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=11 '''What If?'''] - Speculation that is more eccentric or off-topic, such as: "''What if Chris preferred [[April_16_Fetish_Vids#Fanta:_Semen_Flavor|Purple Fanta]]?''"
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=9 '''Sonichu'''] - Discussion of the [[Continuity_in_the_Sonichu_comics|Sonichu canon]].
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=21 '''Lolcow General'''] - A relatively recent addition that allows for discussion about other persons of interest.
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=10 '''General'''] - Displayed publicly, but one can only read the forum and its sub-forums after making a few posts. It was used to discuss anything other than Chris (e.g. video games, music), and it once became restricted in [[January_2012|January]] due to low quality of posts by less insightful posters.
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=7 '''CWCki Forum'''] - A board for discussing changes to the forum itself.
** [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=80f896c6f6fcddfd6ff87dc5ee8b9f73 '''Spergatory'''] - A public trash bin for [[Asperger_syndrome|less insightful posters' threads]].

==Chris's posts==
Below are the posts Chris wrote under pseudonym paintingatree between 23 May and 24 August 2013. Unfortunately, all of his posts from the old Forumer incarnation from 2012 seem to be lost. Chris's posts are in blue, while posts in threads he was responding to are in red.

===Re: DreamHost and a possible migration===
{{quoteboxred|'''by Marvin » Wed May 22, 2013 1:00 am'''
Uhh, all the cool kids use linode. Also, I'd whatever the whatever you're asking us to whatever, but I'm too drunk to do it properly and/or usefully right now, so, maybe when I'm sober.|Marvin}}

And then, [[Pokémon|a wild Chris-Chan appears]]:

{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Thu May 23, 2013 7:36 am'''
Why don't you and that damn [[Cwcki]] just go ahead and die off the [[Internet]] already so I can finally find some peace of my life?<ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1126&p=38206#p38206]</ref>}}

He received thanks from 22 users (and still counting) for this post.

===Re: Should Chris Consider Dating A 'Special' Girl?===
{{quoteboxred|'''by Thetan » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:42 pm'''
Rather than constantly whining about how lonely he is, Chris should consider revising his sweetheart standards. He has set the bar far too high for himself. He couldn't even make things work out with Faeryn or The Wallflower.

Chris could do well with a 'special' girl: potentially someone mildly mentally retarded who enjoys the same childish things he does. They could enjoy each other's company, coloring and watching cartoons together. As long as they don't have unprotected sex, I don't see a problem with this type of relationship.

Such a person may actually find Chris interesting, look up to him, and hang onto his every word. The relationship would not only alleviate his loneliness, but be good for his ego as well.|Thetan <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1327#p46205]</ref>}}

{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:48 pm'''
In response to your question, I ask you a question. Would YOU, in full honesty, full truth, in your right mind, at all, date a "Special Girl"? How would you feel if you woke up the next morning with droning moaning and blather coming from the face next to you?<ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1327&p=71503#p71503]</ref>}}

===Re: Tiffany Gowen===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:20 pm'''
Hey, whatever happened to [[Tiffany Gowen|Tiffany]]? Didn't she get [[Merried Seinor Comic|married]] or something? Like, dude, where did she go; has anyone found her?<ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1195&p=74381#p74381]</ref>}}

Most noteworthy response:

{{quoteboxred|'''by applecat » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:14 am'''
I found her! It was tough because she didn't have a Facebook, but I made sure to send her a link to the CWCki so she would know to stay away from that horrible man. She was very disappointed in him, but she thanked me for the tip-off. That's one more gal-pal safe from Chris!|applecat <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1195&start=45#p74968]</ref>}}

===Re: I had a conversation with my wife about Christian.===
{{quoteboxred|'''by The Dude » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:41 am'''
I've told her a little about Christian back in the day, but haven't told her about any of the recent stuff like Tomgil, running over Snyder, stuff like that.

The conversation went like this:

Me: So let's have a hypothetical.

Mrs. Dude: OK.

Me: Let's say something happens to me and we're no longer together. For sake of argument let's say I died.

Mrs. Dude: Oh no!

Me: So I'm dead and gone, and you're single again. Enough time has passed that you want to get back out and find another man.

Mrs. Dude: OK.

Me: Now here's the rub; the only guy who wants to date you is fat, balding, doesn't bathe, has no job, dresses like a girl, and lives with his mother in a hoarded house. He also shits himself when he's upset.

Mrs. Dude: Ew! EEWWWWW!!!

Me: What do you do?

Mrs. Dude: Tell him to stay away and strongly consider becoming a lesbian.

Me: A wise choice.

Mrs. Dude: There's someone out there that you know about who fits that exact description, isn't there?

Me: Remember that guy I told you about on the internet? The guy I showed you the videos of him having a singing battle with my friend?

Mrs. Dude: The autistic kid with the fucked up Sonic thing?

Me: Yup.

Mrs. Dude: He SHITS himself?

Me: Yup.

Mrs. Dude: Oh my...why? That's just grody! EW! EEWWWW!!

Me: I know.

Do you ever have conversations with anyone about Chris? How have they gone?|The Dude <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1927#p75268]</ref>}}

{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:56 pm'''
You, sir, are NOT married; you are making as much fabrication up as Chris would. Your post is a fraud; you will never change my mind; You Are Pathetic. Ha. Ha. Ha. <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1927&p=75359#p75359]</ref>}}

===Seriously? No one wants to finish [[Facebook#The_Riddle|Chris' Puzzle]]?===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:08 pm'''
You all aren't even going to figure the Links between the photos? I mean, I don't think they have the same common thread, but one still links to the other. The lemon cake is a favorite food of businesswomen, and Cuban is a businessman. A bakery in Delaware highly recommends lemon and almond cookies. Delaware Bue Hens; hens on a farm with tornados. It's not totally rocket science. <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1931&p=75423#p75423]</ref>}}

===Re: Chris likes [[Manchester_High_School#Go_Lancers.21|the lancers]] on facebook.===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:10 pm'''
Oh, for God's Sake!!! [[Chris and sex|Did Chris not make it clear enough time and again that he is in Absolute Fact Fucking Straight?! He gets a hard on with a Woman! He gets Pukey Sick when seeing topless males! He freaking wears a bra to cover his own shame! He gets a hard on with WOMEN!!! Stop Mislabeling the Straight Man Already!!!]]

BTW: Cuban was born in Pittsburg; Pirates roam the seas with the Mayflower; there is a photo of Chris wearing a Pittsburg Pirates Cap. Also, when you want to call him Stupid, do not mislabel him there either!

[[Chris and hypocrisy|You all are pathetic, stupid, no ounce is common sense or intelligence at all!]] I do not know why I keep following you all at all!

Break Up the whole Group here already!!! <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1917&p=76063#p76063]</ref>}}

===Christian Weston Chandler is STRAIGHT!!!!===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:59 pm'''
You God Damn Pinheads!!!! I have already told you; Chris has told you!!!! The Riddle's answer was the FUCKING PITTSBURG PIRATES!!!! CHRISTIAN IS NOT A GOD DAMNED HOMO!!!! CHRISTIAN IS STRAIGHT!!!! He gets hard over women!! He vomits at males!!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR GOD DAMNED, DEMENTED, THICK SKULLS, YOU GOD DAMNED PINHEADS!!!!

I should know very well, because I Am Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, VA, himself!!!!

You god damned [[JERKS|males]] make me vomit, sick and [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|shit]]!! <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1974&p=77923#p77923]</ref>}}

==Gallery of screencaps Chris took of the CWCki forum and posted on [[Facebook]]==
<center>
<gallery>
File:Readinposts.PNG|Chris mocks board regular "Lucrid" and assures us the [[JenkinsJinkies]] sodomy story was made up.
File:Koreans.PNG|Chris denigrates Korean cuisine due to a misunderstanding.
File:No_trolling_plans.jpg|"No Trolling Plans"; Who the f*** are they kidding?" - [[Facebook#No_trolling_plans|Chris, over Facebook]]
File:CWCKiForumsPoll.jpg|Right; I'm ugly as hell. <nowiki>|:(</nowiki>
</gallery>
</center>
[[Category: Websites]]

==See also==
* [[CWCki]]
* [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia]]
* [[Trollin' Train]]
* [[Sonichu Girls]]
* [[GameFAQs]]

==References==
<references/>

{{The Internet}}

CWCki Forums

2013-08-31T13:53:58Z

Champthom: I'm glad we can have this image to show that we can indeed poke fun at ourselves. But for God's sake, image next to quotes look like shit, don't do that.

[[Image:CWCki_Forums_as_Guest.png|thumb|A view of the forum as a Guest. In order to view forum content for General or Lolcow General, you must register for an account.]]

{{quote|Why don't you and that damn [[Cwcki]] just go ahead and die off the [[Internet]] already so I can finally find some peace of my life?|[[Chris]] says 'Hello' to the forum users as "paintingatree", 23 May 2013.}}
{{quote|You God Damn Pinheads!!!! I have already told you; Chris has told you!!!! The Riddle's answer was the FUCKING PITTSBURG PIRATES!!!! CHRISTIAN IS NOT A GOD DAMNED HOMO!!!! CHRISTIAN IS STRAIGHT!!!! He gets hard over women!! He vomits at males!!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR GOD DAMNED, DEMENTED, THICK SKULLS, YOU GOD DAMNED PINHEADS!!!!

I should know very well, because I Am Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, VA, himself!!!!

You god damned [[JERKS|males]] make me vomit, sick and [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|shit]]!!|The final post by Chris on 24 August 2013.}}
[[File:137704626985.jpg|thumb|400px|This is basically it.]]
The [https://www.cwckiforums.com/ '''CWCki Forums'''] is a message board loosely affiliated with the [[CWCki]]. It is frequented by many of the wiki regulars and other people interested of all things Christorical. Its primary purpose is to allow users to discuss and speculate about [[Chris]], without needing to do so in the [[CWCki:NAF|CWCki talk pages]]. Previously hosted on Yuku, the forum had two incarnations hosted on Forumer and a Forumms.net incarnation since January 2012, but currently, since 3 February 2013, it's address is https://www.cwckiforums.com/.

It's assumed that Chris lurks on the boards regularly, and screenshots of the forum have appeared on his [[Facebook]] account. His exact motivations for doing this are not clear, but it has been speculated that he intended to use the screen caps as proof of a troll conspiracy including [[Michael Snyder]]. Robert Bell, Chris's lawyer, was apparently unpersuaded by Chris's legal acumen and did not enter any screen caps into evidence.

It is also known that Chris was even posting on one of previous incarnations of the forum in 2012, under nickname "paintingatree". In his few posts, he generally tried to defend himself under the guise of a remorseful troll. This fact alone, as well as his [[Chris and writing|writing style]], and posting habits (posting rarely, never in the same thread again and never trying to start a conversation with other users) made his presence somewhat a open secret.

Surprisingly, Chris registered again under the same nickname in February 2013. He wrote the first post on 23 May, in which he made it clear that it was him. In spite of this, [[Slow-in-the-minds|in other posts he pretended to be someone else.]] As it could be expected, he was trying to defend himself again (mostly from accusations of being [[Homos|homosexual]], since many users, knowing that they're being watched, jokingly concluded that the meaning behind his absurd [[Facebook#The_Riddle|Facebook riddle]] is that Chris wants to [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet|come out of the closet]]), and was very rude to the users in almost all of his posts. Being in the process of adding old friends from his [[Manchester High|high school]] on FB, he also asked if anybody found [[Tiffany Gowen]].

==Boards==
Most boards on the CWCki Forums are about discussing Chris or the forum itself.

* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=8 '''Chris'''] - General discussion and speculation about Chris, his activities, and the world of [[Christory]].
** [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=11 '''What If?'''] - Speculation that is more eccentric or off-topic, such as: "''What if Chris preferred [[April_16_Fetish_Vids#Fanta:_Semen_Flavor|Purple Fanta]]?''"
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=9 '''Sonichu'''] - Discussion of the [[Continuity_in_the_Sonichu_comics|Sonichu canon]].
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=21 '''Lolcow General'''] - A relatively recent addition that allows for discussion about other persons of interest.
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=10 '''General'''] - Displayed publicly, but one can only read the forum and its sub-forums after making a few posts. It was used to discuss anything other than Chris (e.g. video games, music), and it once became restricted in [[January_2012|January]] due to low quality of posts by less insightful posters.
* [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=7 '''CWCki Forum'''] - A board for discussing changes to the forum itself.
** [https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewforum.php?f=19&sid=80f896c6f6fcddfd6ff87dc5ee8b9f73 '''Spergatory'''] - A public trash bin for [[Asperger_syndrome|less insightful posters' threads]].

==Chris's posts==
Below are the posts Chris wrote under pseudonym paintingatree between 23 May and 24 August 2013. Unfortunately, all of his posts from the old Forumer incarnation from 2012 seem to be lost. Chris's posts are in blue, while posts in threads he was responding to are in red.

===Re: DreamHost and a possible migration===
{{quoteboxred|'''by Marvin » Wed May 22, 2013 1:00 am'''
Uhh, all the cool kids use linode. Also, I'd whatever the whatever you're asking us to whatever, but I'm too drunk to do it properly and/or usefully right now, so, maybe when I'm sober.|Marvin}}

And then, [[Pokémon|a wild Chris-Chan appears]]:

{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Thu May 23, 2013 7:36 am'''
Why don't you and that damn [[Cwcki]] just go ahead and die off the [[Internet]] already so I can finally find some peace of my life?<ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1126&p=38206#p38206]</ref>}}

He received thanks from 22 users (and still counting) for this post.

===Re: Should Chris Consider Dating A 'Special' Girl?===
{{quoteboxred|'''by Thetan » Sat Jun 08, 2013 10:42 pm'''
Rather than constantly whining about how lonely he is, Chris should consider revising his sweetheart standards. He has set the bar far too high for himself. He couldn't even make things work out with Faeryn or The Wallflower.

Chris could do well with a 'special' girl: potentially someone mildly mentally retarded who enjoys the same childish things he does. They could enjoy each other's company, coloring and watching cartoons together. As long as they don't have unprotected sex, I don't see a problem with this type of relationship.

Such a person may actually find Chris interesting, look up to him, and hang onto his every word. The relationship would not only alleviate his loneliness, but be good for his ego as well.|Thetan <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1327#p46205]</ref>}}

{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Tue Aug 06, 2013 11:48 pm'''
In response to your question, I ask you a question. Would YOU, in full honesty, full truth, in your right mind, at all, date a "Special Girl"? How would you feel if you woke up the next morning with droning moaning and blather coming from the face next to you?<ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1327&p=71503#p71503]</ref>}}

===Re: Tiffany Gowen===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Wed Aug 14, 2013 8:20 pm'''
Hey, whatever happened to [[Tiffany Gowen|Tiffany]]? Didn't she get [[Merried Seinor Comic|married]] or something? Like, dude, where did she go; has anyone found her?<ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1195&p=74381#p74381]</ref>}}

Most noteworthy response:

{{quoteboxred|'''by applecat » Fri Aug 16, 2013 10:14 am'''
I found her! It was tough because she didn't have a Facebook, but I made sure to send her a link to the CWCki so she would know to stay away from that horrible man. She was very disappointed in him, but she thanked me for the tip-off. That's one more gal-pal safe from Chris!|applecat <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1195&start=45#p74968]</ref>}}

===Re: I had a conversation with my wife about Christian.===
{{quoteboxred|'''by The Dude » Sat Aug 17, 2013 9:41 am'''
I've told her a little about Christian back in the day, but haven't told her about any of the recent stuff like Tomgil, running over Snyder, stuff like that.

The conversation went like this:

Me: So let's have a hypothetical.

Mrs. Dude: OK.

Me: Let's say something happens to me and we're no longer together. For sake of argument let's say I died.

Mrs. Dude: Oh no!

Me: So I'm dead and gone, and you're single again. Enough time has passed that you want to get back out and find another man.

Mrs. Dude: OK.

Me: Now here's the rub; the only guy who wants to date you is fat, balding, doesn't bathe, has no job, dresses like a girl, and lives with his mother in a hoarded house. He also shits himself when he's upset.

Mrs. Dude: Ew! EEWWWWW!!!

Me: What do you do?

Mrs. Dude: Tell him to stay away and strongly consider becoming a lesbian.

Me: A wise choice.

Mrs. Dude: There's someone out there that you know about who fits that exact description, isn't there?

Me: Remember that guy I told you about on the internet? The guy I showed you the videos of him having a singing battle with my friend?

Mrs. Dude: The autistic kid with the fucked up Sonic thing?

Me: Yup.

Mrs. Dude: He SHITS himself?

Me: Yup.

Mrs. Dude: Oh my...why? That's just grody! EW! EEWWWW!!

Me: I know.

Do you ever have conversations with anyone about Chris? How have they gone?|The Dude <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1927#p75268]</ref>}}

{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Sat Aug 17, 2013 2:56 pm'''
You, sir, are NOT married; you are making as much fabrication up as Chris would. Your post is a fraud; you will never change my mind; You Are Pathetic. Ha. Ha. Ha. <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1927&p=75359#p75359]</ref>}}

===Seriously? No one wants to finish [[Facebook#The_Riddle|Chris' Puzzle]]?===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Sat Aug 17, 2013 7:08 pm'''
You all aren't even going to figure the Links between the photos? I mean, I don't think they have the same common thread, but one still links to the other. The lemon cake is a favorite food of businesswomen, and Cuban is a businessman. A bakery in Delaware highly recommends lemon and almond cookies. Delaware Bue Hens; hens on a farm with tornados. It's not totally rocket science. <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1931&p=75423#p75423]</ref>}}

===Re: Chris likes [[Manchester_High_School#Go_Lancers.21|the lancers]] on facebook.===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Mon Aug 19, 2013 3:10 pm'''
Oh, for God's Sake!!! [[Chris and sex|Did Chris not make it clear enough time and again that he is in Absolute Fact Fucking Straight?! He gets a hard on with a Woman! He gets Pukey Sick when seeing topless males! He freaking wears a bra to cover his own shame! He gets a hard on with WOMEN!!! Stop Mislabeling the Straight Man Already!!!]]

BTW: Cuban was born in Pittsburg; Pirates roam the seas with the Mayflower; there is a photo of Chris wearing a Pittsburg Pirates Cap. Also, when you want to call him Stupid, do not mislabel him there either!

[[Chris and hypocrisy|You all are pathetic, stupid, no ounce is common sense or intelligence at all!]] I do not know why I keep following you all at all!

Break Up the whole Group here already!!! <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1917&p=76063#p76063]</ref>}}

===Christian Weston Chandler is STRAIGHT!!!!===
{{quotebox|'''by paintingatree » Sat Aug 24, 2013 1:59 pm'''
You God Damn Pinheads!!!! I have already told you; Chris has told you!!!! The Riddle's answer was the FUCKING PITTSBURG PIRATES!!!! CHRISTIAN IS NOT A GOD DAMNED HOMO!!!! CHRISTIAN IS STRAIGHT!!!! He gets hard over women!! He vomits at males!!

GET IT THROUGH YOUR GOD DAMNED, DEMENTED, THICK SKULLS, YOU GOD DAMNED PINHEADS!!!!

I should know very well, because I Am Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, VA, himself!!!!

You god damned [[JERKS|males]] make me vomit, sick and [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|shit]]!! <ref>[https://www.cwckiforums.com/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1974&p=77923#p77923]</ref>}}

==Gallery of screencaps Chris took of the CWCki forum and posted on [[Facebook]]==
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File:Readinposts.PNG|Chris mocks board regular "Lucrid" and assures us the [[JenkinsJinkies]] sodomy story was made up.
File:Koreans.PNG|Chris denigrates Korean cuisine due to a misunderstanding.
File:No_trolling_plans.jpg|"No Trolling Plans"; Who the f*** are they kidding?" - [[Facebook#No_trolling_plans|Chris, over Facebook]]
File:CWCKiForumsPoll.jpg|Right; I'm ugly as hell. <nowiki>|:(</nowiki>
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[[Category: Websites]]

{{The Internet}}

==See also==
* [[CWCki]]
* [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia]]
* [[Trollin' Train]]
* [[Sonichu Girls]]
* [[GameFAQs]]

==References==
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