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2026-04-20T08:03:19Z

Cottonmather:

== "Chris and Anonymity" page? ==

With Chris acknowledging his observers more and more over the past few months, and actively trying to hide from being spotted, I've been wondering if another "Chris And" page might be in order. The page would cover Chris's attempts to anonymize or disguise himself both past and present, his hypocrisy when it comes to the anonymity of others, and his feelings about being recognized and approached in public (along with how those feelings have evolved over time). Thoughts? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 04:02, 20 April 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Sightings

2026-04-20T08:02:48Z

Cottonmather: /* "Chris and Anonymity" page? */ new section

== "Chris and Anonymity" page? ==

With Chris acknowledging his observers more and more over the past few months, and actively trying to hide from being spotted, I've been wondering if another "Chris And" page might be in order. The page would cover Chris's attempts to anonymize or disguise himself both past and present, his hypocrisy when it comes to the anonymity of others, and his feelings about being recognized and approached in public along with how those have evolved over time. Thoughts? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 04:02, 20 April 2026 (EDT)

Sightings

2026-04-03T19:04:19Z

Cottonmather: /* Post-Jail */

[[File:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|right|250px|One of the first sightings of Chris]]
{{quote|...[the [[Trolls]]] still come after me in real life, looking to snap photographs of me wherever I am away from my house if they're there at the same time; looking for some "juicy footage" they can misinterpret and misdetail in their own sick ways. They get posted on the damn [[Cwcki]], where such "footage of the Gay Trucker will be rewarded with '[[China]]' and/or '[[Pickles]]'"; it really ticks me off.|Chris, [[2010]]<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 3#Internet hiatus, loneliness, ModNation Racers]]</ref>}}

Since his discovery on the [[Internet]], there have been many '''sightings''' of [[Chris]] over the years. Chris is notably not fond of people taking Bigfoot style pictures of him for their "gross, uncool amusement".<ref>[[Flipnote Hatena#Chris's Comments]], [[Toys for Tots]]</ref> The amount of sightings increased greatly after his release from [[jail]].

==Pre-Jail==
{{main|Pre-jail sightings}}

==Post-Jail==
[[File:Midlothian CCTV.png|thumb|right|250px|The first post-jail sighting of Chris at [[Walmart]]]]
{{quote|I'm not Bigfoot|[[Toys for Tots#Part One|Chris on sightings]] in [[2023]]}}

On 27 [[March 2023]], [[Chris]] was [[Jail Saga#Bonded out or Released by court order|released from jail]], with the only explanation being ''"released by court order"''. Beginning on 1 [[May 2023]], '''sightings of Chris''' were reported in various places around {{w|Chesterfield County, Virginia}}. From [[June 2023|June]] onwards, Chris has been spotted in a number of locations around the state of Virginia, including {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia|Williamsburg}}, {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia|Lynchburg}}, {{w|Bedford, Virginia|Bedford}} and [[Ruckersville]]. In [[2024]] Chris began to be spotted in [[Finland]] and at [[conventions]].

Most of the sightings are initially posted to the [[r/ChrisChanSonichu|r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit]] or to [[Twitter]]. Most sightings to date have involved Chris shopping. As of [[August 2023|August]], it has been confirmed that Chris once again has his [[Son-Chu|own car]]. On several occasions, Chris was seen accompanied by [[Flutter]], which has led to speculation that she might be his newest [[sweetheart]].

These factors combined, along with Chris's diminished internet presence, have caused sightings of Chris to remain much more common than they ever were before his arrest.

==References==
<references/>

{{Sightings}}
{{The Internet}}

Sightings

2026-04-03T19:03:13Z

Cottonmather: /* Post-Jail */

[[File:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|right|250px|One of the first sightings of Chris]]
{{quote|...[the [[Trolls]]] still come after me in real life, looking to snap photographs of me wherever I am away from my house if they're there at the same time; looking for some "juicy footage" they can misinterpret and misdetail in their own sick ways. They get posted on the damn [[Cwcki]], where such "footage of the Gay Trucker will be rewarded with '[[China]]' and/or '[[Pickles]]'"; it really ticks me off.|Chris, [[2010]]<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 3#Internet hiatus, loneliness, ModNation Racers]]</ref>}}

Since his discovery on the [[Internet]], there have been many '''sightings''' of [[Chris]] over the years. Chris is notably not fond of people taking Bigfoot style pictures of him for their "gross, uncool amusement".<ref>[[Flipnote Hatena#Chris's Comments]], [[Toys for Tots]]</ref> The amount of sightings increased greatly after his release from [[jail]].

==Pre-Jail==
{{main|Pre-jail sightings}}

==Post-Jail==
[[File:Midlothian CCTV.png|thumb|right|250px|The first post-jail sighting of Chris at [[Walmart]]]]
{{quote|I'm not Bigfoot|[[Toys for Tots#Part One|Chris on sightings]] in [[2023]]}}

On 27 [[March 2023]], [[Chris]] was [[Jail Saga#Bonded out or Released by court order|released from jail]], with the only explanation being ''"released by court order"''. Beginning on 1 [[May 2023]], '''sightings of Chris''' were reported in various places around {{w|Chesterfield County, Virginia}}. From [[June 2023|June]] onwards, Chris has been spotted in a number of locations around the state of Virginia, including {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia|Williamsburg}}, {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia|Lynchburg}}, {{w|Bedford, Virginia|Bedford}} and [[Ruckersville]]. In [[2024]] Chris began to be spotted in [[Finland]] and at [[conventions]].

Most of the sightings are initially posted to the [[r/ChrisChanSonichu|r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit]] or to [[Twitter]]. Most sightings to date have involved Chris shopping. As of [[August 2023|August]], it has been confirmed that Chris once again has his [[Son-Chu|own car]]. On several occasions, Chris was seen accompanied by [[Flutter]], which has led to speculation that she might be his newest [[sweetheart]].

These factors combined, along with Chris's diminished internet presence, have led to sightings of Chris remaining much more common than they ever were before his arrest.

==References==
<references/>

{{Sightings}}
{{The Internet}}

Sightings

2026-04-03T19:02:57Z

Cottonmather: /* Post-Jail */

[[File:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|right|250px|One of the first sightings of Chris]]
{{quote|...[the [[Trolls]]] still come after me in real life, looking to snap photographs of me wherever I am away from my house if they're there at the same time; looking for some "juicy footage" they can misinterpret and misdetail in their own sick ways. They get posted on the damn [[Cwcki]], where such "footage of the Gay Trucker will be rewarded with '[[China]]' and/or '[[Pickles]]'"; it really ticks me off.|Chris, [[2010]]<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 3#Internet hiatus, loneliness, ModNation Racers]]</ref>}}

Since his discovery on the [[Internet]], there have been many '''sightings''' of [[Chris]] over the years. Chris is notably not fond of people taking Bigfoot style pictures of him for their "gross, uncool amusement".<ref>[[Flipnote Hatena#Chris's Comments]], [[Toys for Tots]]</ref> The amount of sightings increased greatly after his release from [[jail]].

==Pre-Jail==
{{main|Pre-jail sightings}}

==Post-Jail==
[[File:Midlothian CCTV.png|thumb|right|250px|The first post-jail sighting of Chris at [[Walmart]]]]
{{quote|I'm not Bigfoot|[[Toys for Tots#Part One|Chris on sightings]] in [[2023]]}}

On 27 [[March 2023]], [[Chris]] was [[Jail Saga#Bonded out or Released by court order|released from jail]], with the only explanation being ''"released by court order"''. Beginning on 1 [[May 2023]], '''sightings of Chris''' were reported in various places around {{w|Chesterfield County, Virginia}}. From [[June 2023|June]] onwards, Chris has been spotted in a number of locations around the state of Virginia, including {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia|Williamsburg}}, {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia|Lynchburg}}, {{w|Bedford, Virginia|Bedford}} and [[Ruckersville]]. In [[2024]] Chris began to be spotted in [[Finland]] and at [[conventions]].

Most of the sightings are initially posted to the [[r/ChrisChanSonichu|r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit]] or to [[Twitter]]. Most sightings to date have involved Chris shopping. As of [[August 2023|August]], it has been confirmed that Chris once again has his [[Son-Chu|own car]]. On several occasions, Chris was seen accompanied by [[Flutter]], which has led to speculation that she might be his newest [[sweetheart]].

These factors combined, along with Chris's diminished internet presence, have led to sightings of Chris becoming much more common than they ever were before his arrest.

==References==
<references/>

{{Sightings}}
{{The Internet}}

Template:GreatestMoments

2026-04-02T16:08:01Z

Cottonmather: As fucked up as it is, I think this might be a contender for the funniest thing Chris has ever intentionally done

[[Christopher's name change|Chris meets GodBear]] • [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes#Video|Watch & Win Sweepstakes]] • [[Song of Christian|AN F IN ENGLISH CLASS?!]] • [[Chris Chan in the PokéNews|Slam attack!]] • [[Attraction Sign]] • [[So Need a Cute Girl|"I'M STILL STUCK AS A VIRGIN WITH RAGE!"]] • [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004|It's Fraggle Rock, Father.]] • [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE|Future Message]] • [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown#Chris's Version: "Master Onion A-La Mode"|Kick, Punch, it's all in the mind!]] • [[CWC is Angry]] • [[Masturbating and squirtin']] • [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] • [[CWC's Second Message|Dykes...Dykes! CHINA!]] • [[Blanca Weiss#Blanca Destroys The Medallion|Medallion Destruction]] • [[Chris Chan Update 21 October 2008|The Pickle Man tricked me again...]] • [[I am STRAIGHT|Boobies! Vaginas. Mmm...]] • [[Jason Kendrick Howell message|I'LL BREAK YOU DEAD!]] • [[IRC (20 January 2009)|DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS]] • [[Bob Walks In|I'm cuttin it down!]] • [[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]] • [[Ohio trip]] • [[Julie Reveals Herself|Medallion up the ass]] • [[Date with Emily]] • [[CWC's Message for Ivy|I'll be in your dreams!]] • [[CWC Music Video Holding Out For a Hero|Holding Out For a Hero]] • [[CWC Update!!!!! 27 March 2009|GONNA STRANGLE THAT CLYDE CASH!]] • [[Take that Page DOWN NOW!#Director's Cut|MAKE YOU EAT YOUR UNDERWEARRRRR!]] • [[Secret Weapon|I have your mugshot...]] • [[Bunny Hop|Pyong, pyong, pyong!]] • [[April 16 Fetish Vids#Fanta|Bottoms up!]] • [[Chris Calls Clyde Out|I get BLANGRY!]] • [[Power|Grand number of pounds]] • [[CWCFlyingElephants|Crazy nudie audition]] • [[For My Sweetest Ivy|I love you so much, I love you so muuuuuch!]] • [[I Got A Fish|I got a fish!]] • [[Rollin' and Trollin']] • [[REAL Protest against the FAKE|BURN IN HELL!]] • [[It's UGH!|OK2BGay]] • [[Chris humps his PS3]] • [[SHOWDOWN: The TRUE CWC Confronts The FAKE]] • [[SingStar Challenge]] • [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|MY! NAME! IS! NOT! IAN! BRANDON! SOMETHING!]] • [[NO D*** WAY, IMPOSTOR!!!|DIEEEEEEE YOU!]] • [[CWC Fighter|I've got a little Chun-Li within me.]] • [[THAT IS MY HOUSE|OFF! THE! INTERNET!]] • [[Sign Destruction Video]] • [[Warning - Naughty Women ;)|Half-and-half!]] • [[12 October 2009|Chris Loses It]] • [[Twin Falling Towers|Chris Did 9/11]] • [[Father Call]] • [[Sonichu's Edge|Parkay]] • [[Bailey Jay#Interactions with Chris|OH MY GOD!!! UGH!!! ARE YOU REALLY A HERMAPHRODITE?!]] • [[12 January 2010|BUDDHA BELLY AND EXAGGERATED MANBOOBS!]] • [[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke|Patti will have your soul tonight!]] • [[Alec Benson Leary calls]] • [[Address to Mao, the S.O.B.|CURSE-YE-HA-ME-HA!]] • [[Don't Mess With Me]] • [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!]] • [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|Trolling stupid pickle suited...]] • [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|JEW!]] • [[Fridays After Five]] • [[JenkinsJinkiesCwckiApplication.MOV|JenkinsJinkies]] • [[Trollin Train#Hey, Everyone! J.J. has arrived. (Thu 29 July 2010 12:19 AM)|Chris writes underage gay erotica]] • [[The MovingFoward videos|Chris destroys his PS3]] • [[Song for Jackie.MOV|Mr Popo Cosplay]] • [[DivineTrial]] • [[ECV 00002|Electric Hedgehog power!]] • [[Lars Call|Chris Chan's a real nigga!]] • [[Tomgirl pictures]] • [[Cakefarts]] • [[It's not that cold|Goodbye Horses]] • [[Victory Rockout|Chris Rocks Out]] • [[28 October 2011|Chris and his mom do a hit-and-run]] • [[Mia_Hamm|No longer a virgin]] • [[2014 house fire|Burning down the house]] • [[Un-clit]] • [[Sonic Boom Protests|Sonic's arms are NOT blue!]] • [[26 December 2014|Don't call anybody!]] • [[HelloLadyFans]] • [[Proposition to Sega]] • [[Chris's Specimen Sample|Frozen Semen]] • [[Lesbian Sex Audition|Please have my babies.]] • [[Women Only Need Apply - No STD's|Stephanie Bustcakes]] • [[Eid, Pmurt, Eid|Die, Trump, die!]] • [[Self-inflicted taint wound|DIY Vagina]] • [[UVA Remembers Pulse|Do not hate! Hate is not so good.]] • [[HarassCWCdirectly#Video|#HarassCWCdirectly]] • [[BronyCon 2017#Dancing with Magi-Chan|Chris dances with Magi-Chan]] • [[CLog 10042017 - Q&A NO MORE|Q&A NO MORE!]] • [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]] • [[Dick Licker; that is I]] • [[All Star|Hey now, you're an All-Star!]] • [[TooManyGames#Kicked out|TooManyGames meltdown]] • [[Chris lost Crystal|AY, YOU TOILET!]] • [[Chris Kisses Cryzel]] • [[January 2019 videos#AHH.21|Chris screams at the camera]] • [[Future message from Crystal W Chandler|Just keep reading...]] • [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|The Last Will and Testament of Chris-Chan]] • [[Live Reading of SNT Vs Sonichu, Part 2|Why they would never deliver any pizza from this place you FRICKIN-FRACKIN HATING TROLLS!]] • [[Chandler's List|The time has come to start listing out the back-talkers]] • [[Goochland Library Sermon|THIS IS WHAT CHRIS ACTUALLY BELIEVES.]] • [[Cover song: “I’ll Be Your Mirror” by Velvet Underground|I'll Be Your Mirror]] • [[The Place chats - Book Stress|I crapped my panties]] • [[Direct Message to Hasbro: MLPG5 Is Cancelled.|HASBROOOOOOO!]] • [[Incest Call|The Point of No Return]] • [[Incest Arrest|The Perp Walk of Shame]] • [[Jail Letter - 19 September 2021|I am Literally also Jesus Christ]] • [[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022|It was all my Mom's Idea]] • [[Jail Letter - 1 June 2022|Pinned Down at the Nuthouse]] • [[DeviantART#Post-jail|AND I BRING, PERSONALLY, THE SECOND COMING.]] • [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned|Team Rocket's stupid!]] • [[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021|You shipped me with that Snorlax!]] • [[Grounded Deep Response|Classic Chris is dead]] • [[OG Sonichu Medallion Upgraded, Rebirthed and Redeemed|Rebirth of the medallion]] • [[Punicrackder-V Outtakes#Punicrackde- V Supplement/Outtake Plus Unedited Ending|BE GEEK BE YOU BE PROUD]] • [[Speaking Akashic|Chris speaks gibberish for about 2 minutes]] • [[HarmonyCon|Chris as the White Power Ranger]] • [[CLog 04012026 - A Confession|Chris Finally Confesses]]

March 2026

2026-03-27T16:36:10Z

Cottonmather: /* Videos */

{{ongoing}}
[[File:21 March 2026 Reddit post2.jpg|thumb|Chris in March]]
'''March''' [[2026]].

==Notable events==
* '''6 March''' - Chris publishes [[Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 1]].
* '''13 March''' - Chris makes a playlist for his ''Reading Chaos Crystal Control'' series and related videos, accidentally leaking the videos for Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus Parts 2 through 5. All of them unlisted and originally uploaded on 18 [[February 2026]].
* '''18 March''' - Chris uploads [[C-Log 03182026]].
* '''19 March'''
**''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' announces a new game which is to introduce new official characters [[CPU Blue Heart]] and [[CPU Red Heart]], superseding Chris's [[OC]]s of those characters. In response, Chris complains of his CPU Blue Heart lore being left out of the game.<ref>[[March 2026 social media posts#New Neptunia Unlimited game]]</ref>
**Chris resumes doing more [[Cameo]] videos.
* '''20 March''' - Chris publishes [[Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 2, Crystal - 1]], after twice editing it to attempt to delete material before its official release.
* '''21 March'''
**Chris begins spamming demands to a Twitter account promoting ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' to change the game's CPU Blue Heart's name.<ref>[[March 2026 social media posts#Demanding Blue Heart name change]]</ref>
**Chris twice attempts to post on [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]] complaining of comments people had been making about him. His posts are removed by AutoModerator and his account [[ban]]ned for evasive post tactics.<ref>[[Reddit#Yo (21 March 2026)]]</ref>
* '''22 March''' - Hearing that the [[carpetbagger]] [[Geno Samuel]] is making DVDs of him, Chris demands a 25% cut.<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats#Chris wants money from Geno]]</ref>
* '''24 March''' - Chris complains about the real CPU Blue Heart in a [[24 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Complains About The Real Blue Heart|Cameo video]].
* '''27 March''' - Chris publishes [[Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 3, Crystal - 2]].

==Activity==
===Chats===
*[[Geno Samuel DMs]]

===Posts===
*[[March 2026 social media posts]]
*[[Reddit]]

===Sightings===
*None yet.

===Videos===
*[[Reading Chaos Crystal Control|Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 1 to Part 5]]
*[[C-Log 03182026]]
*[[19 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[20 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
**[[Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)]]
*Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 2, Crystal - 1 (second version; unlisted)
*Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 2, Crystal - 1 (third version; published)
*[[21 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[24 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[25 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[26 March 2026 Cameo videos]]

{{References}}
{{timeline}}

2026-03-24T15:24:58Z

Cottonmather: You can see the post dates by mousing over '2 years ago' in the archive

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[[File:Sonichu on r-place.png|250px|center|thumb|[[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] appeared on [[Wikipedia:Place (Reddit)|r/Place]] in 2022]]

{| style="border:1px solid #ccc; padding:10px; margin-top:10px;"
| [[File:Sonichurplace2023.png|250px]] ''Sonichu in r/Place 2023'' 
| [[File:Prescreamsonichu.png|180px]] ''Sonichu in r/Place 2023 before'' ''he was covered up by [[Wikipedia:The Scream|The Scream]]''
|}
</div>

{{Incomplete|New account of Chris was found: https://archive.ph/gqkSb}}

'''Reddit''' is a social news aggregation, content rating, and discussion website. Registered users can post, rate, and comment on contents in boards called "subreddits."
Chris created an account in 30 May [[2016]], using the username u/CwcvilleGuardian1982. He also [[Chris and money|paid]] for Reddit Premium, a monthly subscription which would remove all ads and give him additional privileges in the site.

On 13 [[July 2021]] Chris created another Reddit account, using the username u/VirtualActuator7381.<ref>[[Telling It To All of You, and the Hasbro Executives and Staff]]</ref> So far, the only comment the account has made is a friend code for [[Pokémon]] Shuffle. Some time in early [[2024]] Chris created another Reddit account, u/Aggravating-Top-877, but he deleted this account on 21 [[March 2026]].

==r/PlanetDolan==
Chris submitted three questions in r/PlanetDolan, none of them are on topic regarding the subreddit's subject.

Years later, r/PlanetDolan set its sub to private in response to the 2023 {{w|Reddit API controversy}}, leaving Chris's posts invisible to those not invited.

===Why do we feel Great Shock (heart pain) upon hearing bad news? (30 May 2016)===
Submitted post
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Hey. Big fan of y'all's shows; I like learning. I like Shima and Malissa.

Anyhow, to further explain my question with a recent event. I don't get asked out much, and finding my lady Sweetheart and eventually being married and having a family has been an ambition of mine. Recently, I ended up informing my mother a reminder about all that. And amidst the discussion, she says to me, "On my own death bed, I do not care rather or not you have any children at all." It registered to me equal to "your future children can go to hell." It Hurt Deep, like a gunshot that pierced not only through my heart, but knocked my soul back far. I ended up crying, and I had an upset with gut pains and sweat that cleared up after the poo got out of my system. Either way, I am still recovering, and still feeling sad about this.

I want to add, and This Should Be a Life Lesson to ALL Parents, so please be sure to tell Everyone upon answering the question on your show:

"Parents, NEVER EVER tell your children or their children that you do not care if they never have children. Even IF you meant to ease their tension, it still can Very Much be interpreted as "Your future children can go to hell", or similar. No Matter What, it DOES Hurt them, young, teen and adult, DEEP!"

Thank you, and have a good and safe day.}}

===Can males be born with a hidden vagina (minus the uterus)? (3 July 2016)===
Submitted post

This post was made two weeks before he would make the [[self-inflicted taint wound]]. He also left a link to two [[Subliminal Frequency Hypnosis]] videos. Notably, Chris mistakes the [[wikipedia:Ischium|pelvic ischium]] (the pieces of the pelvis that form part of the hip bones), the [[wikipedia:Pubis (bone)|pubic bone]] and associated muscles in and around the perineum as an 'unbirthable Vagina', providing only further insight into the horrifying trains of thought Chris would have been undergoing when readying the knife he used on himself down the line.
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Hey. Boys, get ready to have your minds blown. As Planet Dolan has said, Everyone is Female inside the womb until if and when the "Y" chromosome mutates the girl to be a boy. Which, when you Really think about it, with Everyone being Female initially, even pre-birth, being "Manly" or "Manliness" is very much made up. Anyhow, and you can try this at home in private, push (maybe tough) into the center of the skin patch between your legs (the taint); you may find one or two grooves hidden under there. One of them, yes, is your unbirthable Vagina (since the uterus would be shrunk during the "Y" mutation).

Punchline: if every gay male knew about this, all they'd have to do is cut their taint, and they'd have a new hole to play with (seriously, though, maybe professional sugury would be Best for that business opening). OR, for the price of WiFi and your YouTube-Viewing device, you could try opening it, in as soon as six month (less if listened to more often) with a Subliminal Track. Check out this one from my favorite channel that offers it on YT.

https://youtu.be/oVdsmNv2ZMw

Or, if that title scares you, this other one might leave your sack free.

https://youtu.be/NLUjwljUzh4}}

===Things you do while waiting to fall asleep (13 September 2016)===
Submitted post
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Either if you're keeping yourself awake or actually working your brain to become better fatigued, how about a list of the dumbest, or otherwise the best, things to do while waiting to fall asleep.

For me, my best is while having my eyes closed and feeling comfy, I tire my brain by figuring out words that rhyme with a randomly chosen word, by choosing the word, than going through the alphabet one letter at a time to figure as many actual rhymes for that word.

An example: [[Random-access humor|"random". "Andom?", "Brandon", "condom"; bore your brain with repeated use of this brain teaser]].

And my obvious dumbest, playing solitaire on my phone (with the light on the dimmest setting). Obviously, the light, regardless of brightness, is enough to fool the brain into staying awake, even while Boeing yourself with Solitaire.}}

A user replied:

{{quotebox2|I search [[Tumblr|tumblr]] or instance gram maybe some [[Twitter|twitter]] before I fall asleep}}

===Retelling of his move to the [[Kacey Call 9|Short]] [[Jackie Chat 9|Bus]] (11 January 2017)===
Comment in post "What's the worst things that's happened to you on a school bus?"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetDolan/comments/5mos89/whats_the_worst_things_thats_happened_to_you_on_a/</ref>
{{quotebox|In my Freshman year of High School, [[1997]], I was on the regular bus for a while. I used to sit at the front and to the right side of the bus; right by the bus' door. I remember it was at a time after I started having to wear glasses for being nearsighted, since I was examined by my optomologist doctor, who is also my [[David Chandler|half-brother]], And got my glasses on the same day in '97, Groundhog Day; February 2. Anyhow, there was this rambunscious boy who wanted to be first off of the bus upon getting back home, about every time; I wanted first off of the bus as well. One day, that boy upped and punched my face, Just to be first off of the bus that day. AND the punch was so hard, he literally knocked my glasses off of me. The glasses did not get broken, but I was really hurt and upset. I walked and cried as I walked home from the bus stop that day. I told my parents about it; they contacted the school, and I ended up with the bad end of the deal: the boy got off scott-free, while, with being High-Functioning Autistic, got Demoted to riding on a handicapped bus for the rest of my High School years. Ugh! It gets worse, as I ended up with this really [[Slow-in-the-minds|worse-off mentally challenged person]], who could hardly ever speak other than "rrr"; that boy [[Kick the Autistic|bopped me on the back of the head for his own laughs]]. The special-ed teacher who rode on the bus talked with his brother about it, and he kept him from bopping me. But having to put up with his nonsensical slur-talk was still just as cringy and horrifying. UGH!!!}}

==r/ChrisChanSonichu==
[[File:250uz7helhva1.png|thumb|150px|The subreddit icon, created by the artist Liquid Christine.]]
'''r/ChrisChanSonichu''', created on 17 [[June 2014]], is the most popular Chris-related subreddit on Reddit with over 77k members. It has become the primary place for posting [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|post-jail sightings]] of Chris, along with [[Saga#Incognito_Saga_(10_August_2023_-_Present)|discoveries of online activity]]. Many of their members have been responsible for discovering more information regarding the post-jail sightings.

The top posts on the subreddit consist of reactions during the [[Affair with Mother|incest]] fallout, a time where Chris Chan went mainstream, but for all, '''''all''''' the wrong reasons.

Chris made multiple posts in the subreddit beginning in [[September 2018]], when he asked a fan artist to collaborate with him.

[[Helena Fiorenza]] dislikes the subreddit, describing it as "hellish" and "horrifying" in a February 2024 tweet chain with Chris.<ref>[[February 2024 social media posts#r/ChrisChanSonichu]]</ref>

===Chris likes a fan's statue and confirms his existence (25 September 2018)===
Comment in post "My Magnum Opus and Tribute to the legendary Sonichu - an original 3D Printable Statue" by user SimonSandinista
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Totes Awesome! Listen, I want you to email me at christine@cwcville.us, so I can hire you to be my main figure maker for Sonichu, Rosechu, myself and so forth, as long as you can paint the figures as well.}}

A user expresses his surprise at his presence.
{{quoteboxred|speaker=purosossego|what the fuck? is this chris chan for real?}}

Chris confirmed:
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Yep. 😊}}

===Chris wants the 3D Statue (9 October 2018)===
Comment in post "3D Printed Sonichu Statue!" by user SimonSandinista

On 26 September 2018, one day after posting the statue, the same user created another post and expressed his interest in sending it to Chris:
{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=SimonSandinista|I really really want to send it to Chris! I've sent her an email but I've not heard back yet. Fingers crossed!}}

On 9 October, Chris read the post and answered:
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Yes, please! 😊}}
{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=SimonSandinista|Hey Chris, would you kindly send me a message on here so I can work out the best way to get this to you? I'm based in the EU so I'll need to post it over to CWCVille.}}

===Toys For Tots (3 January 2024)===
Comment in post "First video of 2024" by user WanderingStrang. The post is a picture of the video [[Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba]]

One user replied:
{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=Much-Moose9396|So THAT'S what he did with those "donated" toys for tots}}

Chris responded:
{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|As if the obvious visual from Behind the car in the Donation video was not evident to be next to Lynchburg’s City Hall and the Library underneath it where the donations were taken. Ask one of the children who received from Toys For Tots last year with the ⚡️💙⚡️ marked on the box or plush tag.}}

===You blew it (7 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Chris chan kicked out of Animate! Raleigh" by user DeadStargazer

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|You blew it, guys. You could have had the opportunities to take “Bigfoot” photos of her over the weekend and actually approached and smell rather or not she actually stunk or smelled like deodorant. But noo, you weens had to go and lie to the organizers like how they before you made the gore and death-filled fictions that no one really cares about, because they lacked care, heart and compassion. Fucking shitbags, the lot of you.}}

===Chris will never join TikTok (14 January 2024)===
Comment in now deleted post asking about if CWC is on TikTok

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|Never}}

===Chris will not hit on Keffals (14 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Taking All Bets: Will Chris hit on Keffals?" by user JewceBoxHer0

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|No}}

===Chris is sober (15 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Is Chris sober in this??" by user moralmeemo. The post is a picture of the video [[Focused, Divine Guidances - 01142024]].

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|Yes}}

===Fake Elitemate account (15 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Newly discovered old dating profile from elitemate?" by user HotMonth1798

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|Fake}}

===Ren Ryghts blocked (17 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Chris blocked the ween that bought him Persona 5" by user Akkonii. The post is a picture of [[Ren Ryghts]] complaining about being blocked by Chris.

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|You called her fake and sided with someone else who was not her in jest; that was enough.}}

===Chris Reads Comments (21 March 2026)===
Comment in post "CWC Rages About Faith, Intelligence, and Abusers" by user noob_bitch

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|I have read your comments, and I am very disappointed. If you want to comment, comment like you were talking to me in person and face-to-face on Reddit, as well as on KiwiFarms. 😠⚡️}}

===Yo (21 March 2026)===
Submitted post

Chris attempted to make this post twice to r/ChrisChanSonichu. He first posted on his Aggravating-Top-877 account, which was removed by AutoModerator on suspicion of being too new or having low karma. He then deleted the account and attempted a repost with his CwcvilleGuardian1982 account, but AutoModerator removed the post again for the same reason. Chris's CwcvilleGuardian1982 account then received an automatic sitewide [[ban]] over the evasive posting tactics.

Chris's post from CwcvilleGuardian1982 was manually approved by modstaff the following day; his earlier post from Aggravating-Top-877 was unrecoverable due to Chris deleting the account.

{{quotebox|[[File:21 March 2026 Reddit post1.jpg|200px]][[File:21 March 2026 Reddit post2.jpg|200px]]

I have read your comments, and I am very disappointed. If you want to comment, comment like you were talking to me in person and face-to-face on Reddit, as well as on KiwiFarms. 😠⚡️}}

==r/CultofCWC==
'''r/CultOfCWC''' is a subreddit created by [[Righteous4CWC]], populated by [[enablers]] and [[white knights]] who worship Chris. Chris was a moderator, though at some point he was demodded.

===A Good and Blessed Day to you all (27 August 2019)===
Submitted post

On 27 August 2019, role-playing as [[Magi-Chan]], Chris made an announcement in response to being made a moderator of the subreddit.
{{quoteboxpurple|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|It is indeed I, Magi-Chan Sonichu. I am humbled to be included in this as a Moderator. And for the first post from myself, I would like to ask you all on Christine’s behalf to share your stories.

From which of her past deeds has brought up this following?

And, in your own respective words, how has she brought light upon you?

I feel it advised and well for her to read these responses for herself when she can, so, please, do share.

Thank you. 💜⚡️}}

===Ah. I sense and see it. (28 August 2019)===
Submitted post

{{quoteboxpurple|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Well, the CWC-Senses are going off; something is happening that woke this body up and is keeping it from falling back to sleep.

Ah. I sense and see it: the Coast-to-Coast storm is coming; Christine is coming into her better powers between her soul there and her body here. Also, a potential literal heavy rain pattern in the width of the United States.}}

==r/PokemonShuffle==
===Pokémon Friend Code (9 February 2025)===
Comment in post "Friend Zone: Mobile Friend Code Megathread! - Week 06 2025"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonShuffle/comments/1il85vq/friend_zone_mobile_friend_code_megathread_week_06/ ([https://archive.fo/xdACX archive])</ref>

{{quotebox|speaker=VirtualActuator7381|QTE6T4L9 US}}
==Other Comments left by Chris==
===Magi-Chan Appears (25-28 August 2019)===
{{MagiChanPossession}}
During his phase of [[role-play]]ing as [[Magi-Chan]], Chris commented on [[Jacob Sockness]]'s post on him offering a blood sacrifice in r/CultofCWC six days earlier:
{{quoteboxpurple|You did not as much summon Christine, as much as I, Magi-Chan Sonichu, Present in her body. 💜⚡️<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20190826151810/https://www.reddit.com/r/CultOfCWC/comments/crxuxb/i_gave_her_my_blood/ey49z7s/?context=3 Archive of Chris's comment on r/CultofCWC]</ref>}}
A day later in the same thread, Chris would explain the reasoning behind the merge.
{{quoteboxpurple|Ah. The Dimensional Merge was not evoked by myself, but evoked by necessity and mutual wishes from all intelligent and mentally able inhabitants between both Dimensions. A mutual desire between Creators/Artists and Fans, and their respective and favourite OCs that are exist in the same situations and circumstances of the same timeline between the two. For example: Stan Lee wished to hang out and work with his Marvel creations, and Tony Stark and the others have been most wanting to with him. And even the fan artists/creators, including those in the Brony Analyst Community, have wish to be with their OCs, like Amy Methvan with Mary Sue and Maddy (though she will end up meeting Christine’s Gary Stu as well, since he and Mary have been together now; finally have their one child). As well as most Everyone around the Earth and throughout the Galaxies and Beyond in this Dimension 1218, and the same in C-197.

Many a “mythical being” such as unicorns and dragons that were real back in the early AD years and castle ages who all Did exist in 1218 were banished to the other side of the Dimensional Curtain into C-197. And many a similar figure, even deity type, fell into that dimension as well, but always kept watch over both Earths. And over the centuries, many an OC continued to be created and discovered by the Creators, Artists, Authors and Chroniclers of 1218, and they all wished they could see, meet and/or hang out with the OCs once again or for the first time.

This plan had been retroactive and in planning and processing for about a millennium or so by the Deities, including Fate and Destiny; they all have been collaborating in this as well. Especially to work against the likes of Jakoba, the fiendish demon who stole a godly title, among others who wield such great power.

The Merge is happening from a series of events that not only involve the deities, including Christine, but also many a Psychically Powerful, Sorcerer, Magical and Ritualistic individual who have been doing so, in their respective, fated methods and ways, all of this time, including their descendants.

The events have been happening, and Christine, with my personal help, is working hard and doing her best to gather energy to beat her abilities and power, so she can do better with the others on this side of the curtain to be able to complete the events that, in part, take down the Dimensional Curtain, but also Merge our two dimensions and pairs of worlds together.}}

A fan asked if Chris could turn water into wine. "Magi-Chan" answered:

{{quoteboxpurple|Christine can do a lot more than that. But to answer your question, though not fully doable on the 1218 side of the Dimensional Curtain yet, she is able to draw up a [[Messiah complex|water-to-wine conversion]] and vice-versa.}}

Another fan asked a question which was later deleted. "Magi-Chan" replied:

{{quoteboxpurple|Yes, I have access to everything in her brain.

To me, a body is a body, but hers is quite the beautiful and special body, indeed.

💜⚡️}}

Comment in post "Ah. I sense and see it."

[[Multidimensional White Knights]] said:

{{quoteboxred|Dorian is heading to Florida in 1218, that looks to be the first sign. ALL HAIL THE CPU GODDESS AND HER HUSBAND MAGI-CHAN!

-Etno}}

"Magi-Chan" replied:

{{quoteboxpurple|Very observant and perceptive of you; very good job. Here is a Gold Star for you as well. ⭐️ 💜⚡️}}

==DMs==
===Lottery Question===
{{MagiChanPossession}}
According to [[Kiwi Farms]] user Pickle Inspector, he had reached out to Chris (who was role-playing as Magi-Chan at the time), and asked him "why Magi-Chan doesn’t just give Chris the lottery numbers if they’re so desperate for money all the time." Chris answered:<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Lottery Question]]</ref>

{{quoteboxpurple|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Yes, I could, but my actions would go into further deity level judgment and consideration in respect to the present stream of events and the future outcomes. Such fortuitous blessings are indeed Fated. Should I attempt a personal gain callously, it is likely in my foreseeing attempt at the number would yield the desired winning result. But there remains the possibility that Fate had something else in mind and would either disrupt my ability to identify the numbers in consistent results on multiple checking within all timelines of this Dimension, or the numbers would simply be changed upon the final moment. Fate is kind and cruel, but quite fair and just.

In the backup plans for finances, I look into the near future events that among which would more likely bear fruit. Like the Philanthropist whose $2700 Tweet I retweeted on Christine's Twitter; I foresaw in consistent checks that was a most likely positive result, so I went with it. I did not retweet it on my account, as mine would likely be considered as false, plus I would not want to be judged for an unfair advantage in such a Random draw.}}

Later, Chris followed up:

{{quoteboxpurple|I will also admit: Christine never really had a solid head for Business and Management for many years; she is still improving and learning. And I have been able to be a better guide for her; it remains a long and winding path to financial stability. She is at least branching out and offering to collaborate with others. Her influence is also more positive, and I am glad for her.}}

{{collapsible|Gallery|
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File:Pickle Inspector-Magi-Chan Lottery Question DM-min.jpeg
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==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*https://www.reddit.com/user/CwcvilleGuardian1982/
*https://old.reddit.com/user/VirtualActuator7381/
*[https://archive.ph/gqkSb Archive of Aggravating-Top-877's account]
*[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/ r/ChrisChanSonichu, Reddit's unoffical Chris-chan subreddit]
{{ThirdExile}}
{{IncognitoSaga}}
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[[Category:Websites]]

Love is Love (song)

2026-03-22T22:22:08Z

Cottonmather:

[[File:Chris Chan and Boi Spicy.jpg|thumb|200px]]
:''This article is about the song released in February 2018. For other uses, see [[Love is Love|the disambiguation page]].''

In [[February 2018]], Chris collaborated with Boi Spicy, a musical group which described itself as a boy band, to sing '''"Love is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)"'''.<ref name=bandcamp>{{Cite web|url=https://boispicy.bandcamp.com/album/love-is-love-not-youve-been-pwned-feat-chris-chan/|autoarchive=20201107225459|writer=Boi Spicy|title= Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned) (Feat. Chris Chan)
|website=Bandcamp}}</ref> He had written the song's lyrics for [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]] in [[September 2017]].

Note how Chris is not really singing, but more just saying the lyrics, and the music does not match up with the words at all.

Following Chris's [[Incest call|admission of incest]] with his mother becoming public, Boi Spicy removed the song from their Bandcamp page.<ref name=bandcamp/> In [[2026]], Chris rerecorded the song with new lyrics using an [[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI-generated]] backing track.

==Audio==
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name =
| video = {{#ev:youtube|YL6Cxpn4TC0}}
| stardate = 5 February 2018
| saga = {{Business|text}}
| subject = {{Music|text}}
| Other =
| }}

==Lyrics==
<poem>
I'm a little country pop
We're gonna make your hatred stop
I tell you straight up, no lies
Our emotions, thoughts and love
Come from deep in our hearts and souls
Our solid, truest alibis

(Chorus)
We are prideful
We've got Love Is Love
We're not steppin' down
We've got heart, we've got soul
No trollin' bully's gonna tell us
"You've been pwned!"

I share a hug, I share a smile
I share a prayer
My love goes on for many a mile
Kindness and honesty, my caring goal
Show me hatred, cuss and fuss
I shall not bend or cry
Shield of heart, confidence and will
I don’t hear you, troll!

(Chorus)

Put us down?
I show my heart
In the right place
Love for you, Tart

Jam with me
Share a tune
Sing the song
Let's croon!

Our pride is my pride!
We stand strong and tall!
Love Is Love conquers hate
We will not fall!

(Chorus)
</poem>

==2026 version==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)
| video = {{#ev:youtube|Q_P-2ivglPw}}
| stardate = 21 [[March 2026]]
| subject =
| style = {{Reason|text}}
| shirt = [[HarmonyCon|HarmonyCon hoodie]]
| previous =
| next =
}}
===Description===
{{quotebox|The song by the three of us as written back in [[2009]], featured in [[Sonichu 12|Sonichu Book #12]]. Specially recorded by a popular request.

Sung, personally, by Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime.

Lyrics written by [[Jamsta Sonichu]], [[Lolisa Rosechu]] and [[Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime]]

Music by suno.com, ([[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI Generated music]])}}

===Lyrics===
{{transcript}}

==References==
<references/>

{{Music Videos}}

Love is Love (song)

2026-03-22T22:20:36Z

Cottonmather:

[[File:Chris Chan and Boi Spicy.jpg|thumb|200px]]
:''This article is about the song released in February 2018. For other uses, see [[Love is Love|the disambiguation page]].''

In [[February 2018]], Chris collaborated with Boi Spicy, a musical group which described itself as a boy band, to sing '''"Love is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)"'''.<ref name=bandcamp>{{Cite web|url=https://boispicy.bandcamp.com/album/love-is-love-not-youve-been-pwned-feat-chris-chan/|autoarchive=20201107225459|writer=Boi Spicy|title= Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned) (Feat. Chris Chan)
|website=Bandcamp}}</ref> He had written the song's lyrics for [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]] in [[September 2017]].

Note how Chris is not really singing, but more just saying the lyrics, and the music does not match up with the words at all.

Following Chris's [[Incest call|admission of incest]] with his mother becoming public, Boi Spicy removed the song from their Bandcamp page.<ref name=bandcamp/> In [[2026]], Chris rerecorded the song using an [[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI-generated]] backing track.

==Audio==
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name =
| video = {{#ev:youtube|YL6Cxpn4TC0}}
| stardate = 5 February 2018
| saga = {{Business|text}}
| subject = {{Music|text}}
| Other =
| }}

==Lyrics==
<poem>
I'm a little country pop
We're gonna make your hatred stop
I tell you straight up, no lies
Our emotions, thoughts and love
Come from deep in our hearts and souls
Our solid, truest alibis

(Chorus)
We are prideful
We've got Love Is Love
We're not steppin' down
We've got heart, we've got soul
No trollin' bully's gonna tell us
"You've been pwned!"

I share a hug, I share a smile
I share a prayer
My love goes on for many a mile
Kindness and honesty, my caring goal
Show me hatred, cuss and fuss
I shall not bend or cry
Shield of heart, confidence and will
I don’t hear you, troll!

(Chorus)

Put us down?
I show my heart
In the right place
Love for you, Tart

Jam with me
Share a tune
Sing the song
Let's croon!

Our pride is my pride!
We stand strong and tall!
Love Is Love conquers hate
We will not fall!

(Chorus)
</poem>

==2026 version==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)
| video = {{#ev:youtube|Q_P-2ivglPw}}
| stardate = 21 [[March 2026]]
| subject =
| style = {{Reason|text}}
| shirt = [[HarmonyCon|HarmonyCon hoodie]]
| previous =
| next =
}}
===Description===
{{quotebox|The song by the three of us as written back in [[2009]], featured in [[Sonichu 12|Sonichu Book #12]]. Specially recorded by a popular request.

Sung, personally, by Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime.

Lyrics written by [[Jamsta Sonichu]], [[Lolisa Rosechu]] and [[Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime]]

Music by suno.com, ([[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI Generated music]])}}

===Lyrics===
{{transcript}}

==References==
<references/>

{{Music Videos}}

Wikipedia

2026-03-09T17:31:34Z

Cottonmather: /* Current situation */

{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
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==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
</blockquote>

==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which featured a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to backlash after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy. This mention was removed two days later.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref> The page was later deleted.

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
{{The Internet}}
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[[Category:Websites]]

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2026-02-15T23:13:30Z

Cottonmather:

{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
{{clear}}

==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
</blockquote>

==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which included a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to backlash after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy. This mention was removed two days later.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref>

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
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{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
{{clear}}

==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
</blockquote>

==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which included a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to backlash after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref>

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
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2026-02-14T09:11:45Z

Cottonmather: /* Current situation */

{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
{{clear}}

==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
</blockquote>

==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which included a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to controversy after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref>

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
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{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
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{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his classic videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool. Later worn by Chris during his time as a [[Tomgirl]].

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

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Cottonmather: Moved Plush Breasts to Transgender category as Chris notably wore them as fake breasts during his time as a tomgirl.

{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool. Later worn by Chris during his time as a [[Tomgirl]].

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

== References ==
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Cottonmather: Moved Unicorn Cosplay to apparel since Chris doesn't seem to see it as related to being a woman in any significant way, unlike the Muscle Bra.

{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool.
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

== References ==
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Cottonmather: Removed hormones as a relic because they aren't a specific item, and specific containers of Oestrogel and the like seem to bear no particular importance to Chris. It feels incorrect in the same way listing Fanta as a relic would feel incorrect.

{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool.
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

== References ==
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{{Quote|Since the passage of time has destroyed Sappho and her works, her lyre and songs, I will set other lines before you as examples.|Tzetzes, On the Metres of Pindar, 20-22}}

'''Lost media''' refers to media that once existed but has been lost or destroyed or media that has never been released publicly.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_media</ref> This article aims to document the following kinds of lost media:

* Media made by or featuring Chris which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary.
* Media made by or featuring Chris which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* Media made by trolls that Chris has responded to or acknowledged which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary or which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* [[Relics of Fail]] whose current whereabouts are unknown or were destroyed (excluding those that Chris is known to have sold to fans).

Because of the broad scope of the article, it is unlikely to ever be complete. Of course, some lost media is of greater interest to Christorians than other lost media.

==Pre-internet discovery Lost Media==
===Autism papers===
{{See also|Autism papers}}

The [[Autism papers]] were a series of papers detailing the mental state of [[Chris]] and to what extent he has [[autism]]. Most of these papers appeared to have been destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]] as none of them have appeared since. Even if not destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], the hoard that is [[14 Branchland Court]] makes finding these papers next to impossible, making these papers almost certainly lost. However, one paper from [[2004]] survives as it was e-mailed to [[Kacey]] by [[Chris]] who passed it on to [[Liquid Chris]] who then distributed the paper online in [[November 2009]].

===Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :) (Master Copy)===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)}}

An extended edition of Chris's 2007 homemade DVD allegedly featuring over six hours of original content. Chris offered to share it with [[Regina e-mails|Regina]] in their emails. It was given to [[Joseph Draft]] in 2019 during planning for the cancelled ''[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]'' documentary.

===CWC's Diary===
{{See also|CWC's Diary}}

[[CWC's Diary]] refers to a series of entries published between 2004-2005 in a diary format. It is unknown if these entries came from a physical diary or from Chris's blogs on [[MySpace]] and [[Facebook]]. It must be remembered that the entries available are the ones Chris made public on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] and that the diary in its entirety has not been found. With Chris's [[MySpace]] being deleted in mid-2008 and a physical diary not emerging [[CWC's Diary]] in its entirety is lost.

===CWC's Pokésite 1===
{{See also|CWC's Pokésite 1}}

[[CWC's Pokésite 1]], originally known as CWC's Pokésite, was Chris's first website launched between 25 April and 3 July 1999. Chris appears to have abandoned the site in late July as on 22 July [[CWC's Pokésite 2]] was launched. The content of [[CWC's Pokésite 1]] is lost as the site is no longer up and the archive of the site only has three pages with the rest not working.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606031644/http://homes.acmecity.com/games/demo/190/GameShark.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606110946/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/GameShark2.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606132641/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/junglecards.html</ref> Also, the site guestbook is still available.<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20001021022214/neptune.guestworld.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=Starytime</ref> A Spanish version of the site also existed, however, the site is down and it was never archived making this lost as well.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20010801000000*/http://games.acmecity.com/demo/190/Espanol.html</ref>

===How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi" (For the Very Shy Man)===
{{See also|User:RachmaninovDESU/How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi"}}

The work is a pamphlet created by [[Chris]] on how to attract women. The date of creation is unknown however as Chris uses the pseudonym "Reldnahc Netso' Naitsirhc" a misspelling of [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]] which was created on 24 [[March 2005]] it is likely that the pamphlet was created sometime after though a terminus ante quem has not been established. While the front cover exists the rest of the pamphlet has not emerged either because it does not exist or because it is lost.

===Report cards===
{{See also|Honor roll}}

The report cards are a series of papers from Chris's education detailing his grades and academic progress. There has been no mention of these documents since the [[2014 house fire]], likely being destroyed and thereby lost. Even if not destroyed [[Chris]], claimed before the house fire in [[2009]] within [[Mailbag 19]] that he could not access the documents.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Mailbag_19#We_cannot_see_Chris.27s_report_cards</ref> Considering how cluttered [[14 Branchland Court]] is and [[Chris]] not having access to the documents, to begin with, it is unlikely that the documents can be found, making them lost if they have not been destroyed. However, Chris's grades can be seen in the assignments that have survived in the [[Manchester High Leaks]], so Chris's grades are not entirely lost.

===Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes (items)===
{{See also|Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes}}

The [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes]] was a contest held in 1993 in which the person who wrote down every "Sonic Sez" segment and sent it in would get the chance to win certain prizes, with the biggest prize being a $1,000 shopping spree at {{w|KB Toys|Kay-Bee Toys}}.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMyI6ZnLj3o</ref> Chris won this contest in 1994 and got the $1,000 shopping spree; however, only five items have been known to be purchased:

* ''Batman Returns'' ($49.99)
* ''Sonic CD'' (unknown price)
* ''Sonic Spinball'' ($49.99)
* "Star Trek" (probably ''Star Trek: The Next Generation: Echoes from the Past'') (unknown price)
* "Power Rangers Megazord" (unknown price. Estimate $29.99)

It is unknown what other items Chris bought with the remaining $857.04 (not including the prices of ''Sonic CD'' and the ''Star Trek'' game) and are thereby lost. Furthermore, as revealed in a 21 June 2021 message on [[The Place]] Discord server,<ref>[[The Place chats (June 2021)#Warhol Book Stress and Hoarding]]</ref> only ''Sonic CD'' was still in Chris's possession at that point, with the rest either having perished in the fire or sold off.

===The First PS3 Attempt===
As the title suggests, this is presumably Chris's first attempt at his [[Pixelated PS3]] video. It was included in the "Director's Cut" of [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)]] as an exclusive feature. According to the Director's Cut cover, it was filmed on 18 November [[2006]], the same date as the final take of the video. However, the regular DVD cover says that the Pixelated PS3 video was filmed on 28 November, so it may have been filmed on that date instead. Although the Director's Cut was obtained by [[Catherine]] and other material from it was leaked to the Internet, this video has never surfaced, possibly because it was just too uninteresting.

==Post-internet discovery Lost Media==
===10242009 (Gregg Mays' video)===
{{See also|10242009}}

[[10242009]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 24 [[October 2009]] in which he responds to [[Clyde Cash#Gregg_Mays|Gregg Mays]]. While this video is available, a video made by Gregg related to 10242009 was set to private. Gregg's video has not been found since and is considered to be lost.

===Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke (Mao's response)===
{{See also|Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke}}

[[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 17 [[January 2010]] in which he reads and reviews [[Asperchu]]. While this video is available, [[Mao]]'s response video released on the same day was made private. The video has not been found since then; Mao's response is currently considered to be lost.

===CatKnight Interview 5===
{{See also|CatKnight Interview 5}}

On 28 March 2016, Sir [[Arthur Spatchcock]], also known as '''CatKnight''' and '''Master Disaster''', conducted an interview with Chris on lets-plays. The footage and audio of this interview have been lost though; the transcript is intact.

===Chris Chan VS. The Internet===
{{See also|Chris Chan VS. The Internet}}

[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]] was a documentary made by Joseph Draft first announced on Kickstarter on 4 [[April 2019]]. The documentary includes interviews with Chris, [[Barbara]], and [[Megan Schroeder]] as well as candid footage of Chris going about his life. However, due to various alleged factors,<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats#Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]</ref> the documentary has not surfaced and the hard drive containing the documentary has allegedly been destroyed, making this documentary lost. However, the trailer, opening, and other two fragments are available.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGekFLTbeos</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6uEMpBxFu0</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98sXo70dAWs</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnWao2FJbQ</ref>

===Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (second accidental stream)===
{{See also|March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)}}

This video was the latter of the two accidentally started livestream recordings, which consisted of Chris singing the same song as the last time, before realising he pressed the stream button instead of recording it. While the first one has been saved, the latter was deleted far too soon for anyone to download it, making it forever lost.

===CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)===
{{See also|CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)}}

paintingatree was Chris's [[CWCki Forums]] account. However the posts preserved under this account come from the second account made in early 2013 as Chris's first account, also called paintingatree, was made sometime in 2012. However none of the posts Chris made in 2012 have been archived making them lost.

===DooDoo fard2874 pictures===
{{See also|Post-jail sightings (2023)}}

On 9 September 2023 Discord user DooDoo fard2874 chased down Chris in a Sheetz convenience store somewhere in Virginia. DooDoo fard2874 posted four images and a video of this event which shows Chris's Chevrolet Aveo driving however a picture of Chris reportedly was taken though it has not emerged and is currently lost.

===Dillin Thomas DMs===
{{See also|Dillin Thomas DMs}}

[[Dillin Thomas]] is a former [[Christuber]] who eventually closed his YouTube channel. With the closure was the loss of material such as DMs from Chris. Two DMs are known with the former, leaked on 23 [[December 2019]], only having one quote from Chris preserved with the rest of their communication being lost.

===eBay Purchases and Listings (2001-2008)===
Chris has been using eBay since all the way back in [[2001]]. While this wiki has archived most of Chris's eBay listings (and purchases) from 2008 onward, the same can't be said for his previous ones prior to that year. There have been a few records of his purchases from that era, but not a whole lot, and especially nothing of his potential listings. Chris's bans and suspensions from eBay, as well as potentially using sockpuppets, also make archiving these difficult, so it's possible these bits of info are lost.

===Helena DMs===
{{See also|Helena DMs}}

Between 15-21, [[June 2021]] Helena Fiorenza and Chris contacted each other through Twitter. However, the conversation that is available only shows the end of their communications and not the previous messages making the DM in its entirety lost.

===Jackie's Father Call===
{{See also|Jackie}}

In an email sent from [[Jackie]] to [[Chris]] at 1:36 PM on 16 [[July 2011]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Jackie_E-mails_30</ref>, [[Jackie]] revealed that the day before Jackie's father who was drunk at the time got into a call with [[Chris]]. It is unknown if the call was recorded, and even if it was, no audio nor transcript of the call has been released, making this call lost.

===Julie Reveals Herself (Video)===
{{See also|Julie Reveals Herself}}

[[Julie Reveals Herself]] is a [[Mumble]] chat between [[Bluespike]] and [[Chris]] on 3 [[March 2009]] which involves shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum and [[Julie]] revealing herself to be a boy. While the audio of the chat exists, the video that accompanied it, which includes footage of Chris shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum, is lost. It's worth noting that Chris claimed he didn't record himself doing so, so it's possible a video recording never existed to begin with (and given the rest of the trolls were disgusted at what was going on, it's possibly unlikely they didn't have a recording of it either).

===Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba (original)===
{{See also|Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba}}

Chris uploaded the video in [[January 2024]] but then removed it later in the month and uploaded another copy. Only the Raw Captions generated by YouTube were archived of the original video.

===MKRs Bloody Chunks Leaks===
{{see also|Chats leaked by MKRs Bloody Chunks}}
On 27 January 2020, a Kiwi Farms account under the name '''MKRs Bloody Chunks''' leaked a set of messages and audio files from The Place and Arbitarch CWC Alliance servers. These were only partially archived on the CWCki however. As of April 2025, the majority of these contents have been lost, as many of the links from the original post are now broken.<ref>{{cite farms|thread=52454|post=5926848}}</ref>

===My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey (Kacey's Part)===
{{See also|My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey}}

On 31 [[October 2009]] Chris made a video singing the male part of the lyrics to the song "A Whole New World", in response to [[Kacey]] uploading a video singing the female part of the same song. While Chris's video is available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gv3znHKues</ref>, Kacey's video has been taken down by YouTube and is currently lost.

===No More Jokes (Clyde's response)===
{{See also|No More Jokes}}

[[No More Jokes]] was a video by [[Chris]] released on 5 [[November 2009]] in which he reveals the real identity of [[Clyde Cash]]. While both the SFW and NSFW versions of the video exist, Clyde's response to the video is currently lost.

===PS3 Tutorial for my fans (full video)===
{{See also|PS3 Tutorial for my fans}}

On 24 [[February 2010]] the [[Magical Man]] uploaded a video in which he filmed Chris giving a tutorial on how to use a [[PS3]]. The video starts mid-sentence and ends abruptly showing that there was more footage than was released. The full video has not been found.

===Red Forest (other audio files)===
{{See also|Red Forest}}

[[Red Forest]] is one of several audio files created by [[Joshua Wise]] created in the autumn of [[2017]] used to manipulate Chris's beliefs on reality. There are other files aside from [[Red Forest]] to have existed with the only known one being revealed by Wise in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]] in which Wise used Chris's audio in an altered form to manipulate him.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Idea_Guy_Q%26A#Manipulating_Chris</ref> This audio has never been released, and it is unknown how many other audio clips existed as none aside from [[Red Forest]] have been leaked, making them lost.

===Rollin' and Trollin' (raw footage)===
{{See also|Rollin' and Trollin'}}

On 17 [[July 2009]], Chris uploaded a video filmed by the [[Magical Man]] in which he attempted to convince viewers that his entire internet history had in fact been a trolling scheme. The video was evidently filmed with a camera that had a 16:9 aspect ratio, before being stretched to a 4:3 aspect ratio and exported in 480p quality. Additionally, the camera used to record the video also seems to have used a hard drive, as evidenced by the lack of tape or disc noise. This suggests that the raw footage of [[Rollin' and Trollin']] could be the earliest known video of Chris recorded in HD, though any raw footage from the video's production has yet to surface and is likely lost.

===Simonchu===
{{See also|Simonchu}}

[[Simonchu]] was a parody comic of [[Sonichu]] staring the eponymous character Simonchu created on 26 [[August 2008]]. As the comic was hosted on [[Asperpedia]] which shut down in [[2010]] and the archive of Simonchu has its file link request invalidated the comic was lost aside from some fragments.<ref>https://sneed.today/threads/simonchu-the-lost-fancomic.10338/#post-809780</ref><ref>https://imgur.com/fWC2lw3,1B7ulIl,GIIC5w1,eu84mkL,5eeYSx1,aNUzCR8,7eoGNbq,53ilnRW,i6xiNk6,3FirXzm,lrcSkRr,oQHqVSK,CYo0pA6,3ZTtGWC</ref> All 15 pages of Simonchu Issue 0 were found over a decade later by [[Statustjej]], who uploaded it to the Internet Archive on 27 [[October 2025]] and 3 [[November 2025]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/simonchu-comic-book-issue-0</ref> However, Simonchu Issue 1(27 pages), the Simonchu Special(5 pages), and the Simonchu Issue 2 cover remain lost.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142048/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_%28Comic%29</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142053/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_Issue_2</ref>

===Sockness DMs===
{{See also|Sockness DMs}}

Jacob Sockness is known to have had two DM communications with Chris, the first being on 28 [[August 2019]] and the second on 17 [[July 2020]]. Both DMs only show part of the communication making the entirety of their communications lost.

===Sonichu Fan Promo (videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Fan Promo}}

The [[Sonichu Fan Promo]] were three 3D animated shorts on [[Sonichu]] made by [[Timmys1984]], released between 11-14 [[October 2008]]. While the transcripts of all three videos exist, only the third video remains.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNoO0ZRDBE</ref> However, [[Chris]] incorporated these animations into [[Sonichu]] Issue 9, pages 72, 78, and 79 with 72 being the first short, 78 is the second short, and 79 is the third short.

===Sonichu's Live PS4 Broadcast===
{{See also|Twitch}}

On 16 [[March 2018]] Chris streamed the game '''Burnout Paradise Remastered''' on the [[PS4]]. While certain parts of the stream are available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXt6H5t1MoY</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwx7Y0A6_o</ref>, the stream footage in its entirety has been lost.

===The "Black Tape"===
{{Main|The Black Tape}}
"[[The Black Tape]]" is a recording of a Skype call between Chris, [[Jackie]] and several other trolls recorded at some time between the 7th and 8th of [[September 2011]], shortly after the death of [[Bob Chandler]]. Chris was distraught and grief-stricken during the call, with the contents of the call considered so upsetting that it has never been released to the public.

===The Chris Chan Interview (unedited version)===
{{See also|Keffals}}

The Chris Chan Interview was an interview conducted by [[Keffals]] with [[Chris]], uploaded to [[Youtube]] on 16 [[January 2024]]. However the uploaded interview was an edited version, with the unedited version only being accessible if someone pledged to the $100,000 tier on Keffals's [[Patreon]].<ref>https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1747443430282702958</ref> Currently no one has pledged to this tier and considering the price point it is unlikely that anyone ever will, making this work currently lost.

===ThePCAssassins Phone Calls===
{{See also|ThePCAssassins }}

ThePCAssassins is a YouTube account which previously had hosted many videos of trolls calling and speaking to Bob. To date only four of these calls are still publicly available, making the rest lost. One of them is numbered "Bob Call 6," indicating there are, at minimum, between two and five additional recordings currently unaccounted for, depending on how the other videos were originally numbered.

===Tlaw DMs===
{{See also|Tlaw DMs}}

Tlaw, at an unknown date, had a communication with Chris over setting a tabletop role-playing game in CWCville. However, the middle part of the communication is missing, making it lost.

===Unrecorded Voicemail Greetings===
{{See also|Voicemail greeting}}
Chris has changed his cell phone voicemail greeting message many times over the years. Many of these greetings have a transcription but no available recording, either because they were never recorded or because the recording has become lost.

===Unreleased Jackie E-mails===
{{See also|Category:Jackie E-mails}}

Between 5 [[April 2010]] to 7 [[September 2011]], [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] interacted with each other over emails which have been compiled into 31 sets. However, the emails present are the ones [[Alec Benson Leary]] compiled and it is confirmed that [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] had email conversations that [[Alec Benson Leary]] omitted due to them being irrelevant.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/are-you-losing-interest-in-chris.3255/page-5#post-190559</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/ZznwI</ref> Considering how long ago these events happened, it is likely that these unreleased emails will never surface, making them lost.

===Unreleased Miscreant Interactions===
{{See also|Miscreants}}

The [[Miscreants]] were a group of [[trolls]] consisting of many of the most notable, including [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Liquid Chris]]. While many of their interactions with [[Chris]] are known, [[Marvin]] has confirmed that a significant amount of chats and calls the [[Miscreants]] and [[Chris]] had have not been released.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-5-chris-and-chrissy.10627/page-6#post-822127</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/Om30l</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/official-decision-regarding-gender-and-chris-gender-discussion-megathread.6283/page-31#post-5067791</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/5HTxq</ref> Considering how long ago these interactions happened and the fact it is unknown if anyone has these unreleased chats and calls, these interactions are likely lost.

===Web Soup Appearance===
{{See also|For G4s Web Soup}}

''Web Soup'' was a television series on the defunct network G4, which served as a spin-off of the E! network's long-running series ''The Soup'' and, like that series, focused on satirical commentary on then-recent pop culture events, specifically Internet media and viral videos. One episode, aired in [[July 2009]], featured an appearance of Chris's [[I Got a Fish]] video, the [[Toucher and Rich Segment|second time]] it popped up in the mainstream media. However, even though Chris himself acknowledged this appearance, the episode with that segment has been lost to time. While several other episodes of ''Web Soup'' have been recovered and archived over the years, the one with Chris's appearance has yet to resurface, not helped by the series being off the air since 2014 and never having been given an official home media release.

==Lost Relics==
===Asperchu Medallion===
{{See also|Asperchu}}

The '''Asperchu Medallion''' was a variant of the [[Sonichu]] medallion featuring [[Asperchu]] instead of [[Sonichu]] sent to [[Chris]] by [[Alec Benson Leary]]. It is unknown when [[Alec Benson Leary]] sent the medallion to [[Chris]] however the medallion was first seen in Chris's [[Magical Man Potion]] video uploaded on 24 [[February 2010]]. [[Chris]] revealed in a [[Facebook]] post made on 2 [[August 2014]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/August_2014_Facebook_Posts#Fan_items_lost_in_the_fire</ref> that the '''Asperchu Medallion''' was destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], making it lost.

===Attraction Sign===
{{See also|Attraction Sign}}

The [[Attraction Sign]]s were a series of signs detailing his desire for a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] used from [[2004]] to [[2014]]. All the signs made before the [[2014 house fire]] have not appeared since likely being destroyed in the event, thereby making them lost. One sign has been made since the [[2014 house fire]] on [[July 2014]] on Chris's [[OkCupid]] account<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Okcupid_8_jul_2014_4.jpg</ref>, however, it has also not appeared since likely making it lost.

===Goddess Log Vol. 5===
According to TheGamerFromMars's documentary ''The Resurrection of Chris Chan'', though the first four volumes of the Goddess Logs were sent over to 14 Branchland Ct, the fifth volume, which details Chris's stay at [[Western State Hospital]], was severely deteriorated from water damage before anyone could get a copy.<ref>[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]</ref>

===Heart Torch of Fail===
{{See also|Heart Torch of Fail}}

The [[Heart Torch of Fail]] was a torch made of [[Pixelblocks]] that has an unknown significance to the [[Love Quest]]. The torch was made sometime before or during [[2005]] as it appears in [[Sonichu 4]], which was produced in the year [[2005]]. Since its appearance in [[2005]], it has never been seen since likely, being destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], thereby making it lost.

===Medallions===
{{See also|Medallions}}

The [[Medallions]] refers to the [[Sonichu]] [[Medallions]] made by [[Chris]] over the course of his life. The prototype medallion which [[Chris]] wore in [[2004]] as it is mentioned in the [[Autism papers]] disappeared after this year and is believed to be lost in the literal sense.

===Red String of Fate===
{{See also|Red String of Fate}}

The [[Red String of Fate]] was a string with a paper heart attached on the end designed to attract a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] created on 1 [[August 2004]]. In [[anime]] like [[Excel Saga]], of which Chris likely got the idea from as he watched [[Excel Saga]] before creating the [[Red String of Fate]],<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20160827014324/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcville//SchusNews3.htm</ref> the [[red string]] is used as a metaphor to in courting love. However, [[Chris]] did not see the metaphor and would throw the [[red string]] at women in the hopes of "reeling" them in. On 5 [[August 2004]] a [[Jerkop|mall security guard]] confiscated it and it has never resurfaced, likely being destroyed and thereby lost.

===The Wall of Originals===
{{See also|The Wall of Originals}}

[[The Wall of Originals]] was a wall covered in Chris's customized [[Pokémon]] cards. Most of the cards from the wall were destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], although some survived as revealed in a [[July 2017]] tweet and [[Chris]] listing the surviving cards on [[eBay]] in [[June 2018]].<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/July_2017_tweets#Holographic_cards</ref>

==Lost and Found Media==

{{Quote|I will try, if chance favours my wishes, to seek for you the Germanic Wars of Pliny the Elder.|Symmachus, Letters, 4.18.5}}

===2021 Lost Commissions===
{{See also|2021 Lost Commissions}}

The [[2021 Lost Commissions]] were a series of commissioned art created in the summer of 2021 for the [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW]] fundraiser. Due to Chris's arrest for incest these works were never delivered and remained lost at [[14 Branchland Court]] until Chris reacquired them after his release. These works would then be listed on [[OfficialCWCmart]] on 15 [[October 2023]].

===An Interview with the Chris-Chan===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler Interview}}

An Interview with the Chris-Chan was Chris's first interview after trolling began occurring on or before 17 [[October 2008]]<ref>Date determined from [https://web.archive.org/web/20081021045439/http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Chris-chan/Archive10#An_interview ED Chris-chan talk page, Archive10]</ref> being hosted on [[PSN]] and being uploaded to Youtube. It is notable for being the first video appearance of [[Barb]]. Sometime after the video was removed from Youtube for "violating YouTube's policy on hate speech" until it was rediscovered and re-uploaded on 27 [[January 2017]].

===BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7 (full recording)===
{{See also|BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7}}

A recorded PSN chat between Chris, [[Bob]], and "[[Julie]]" lasting approximately twenty minutes. The first nine minutes and eighteen seconds of the chat were preserved, but the recording abruptly ends while Bob is discussing his music collection. The lost portion of the call includes Bob talking about his health problems and [[Cherokee]] heritage, followed by goodbyes and the trolls talking among themselves. A full copy of the call was located on [[statustjej]]'s hard drive, who promptly uploaded it to the Internet Archive.

===Chris-chan Discusses...===
{{See also|Chris-chan Discusses...}}

[[Chris-chan Discusses...]] is a series of interviews conducted by Larry Bundy and [[Chris]] conducted over [[June 2009]] and uploaded to Youtube over [[July 2009]]. However the releases over [[July 2009]] were only extracts from the full interviews of which were not released until 30 [[August 2012]].

===[[Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg]]===
[[File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|thumb|200px|right|The screencap.]]
On 30 [[March 2011]], [[CWCki]] editor [[User:Riley Martin|Riley Martin]] uploaded [[:File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|a mysterious picture]] to the site. Not much was known about the image besides the little information the editor gave:
{{quoteboxred|From some mysterious video. Chris’ face never changes from that smile, and he never stops staring. Don’t ask where it’s from.}}

Later the same day, a CWCki editor would ask for the source of the screencap on its talk page, but didn't receive any reply. Riley Martin has not edited the CWCki since 26 [[February 2012]], making the original video and its context lost for over a decade.

YouTube user [[Statustjej]] finally uploaded the clip on 10 [[October 2025]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O-Slh34q7Y</ref>

===Chris Sex Logs (Audio)===
{{See also|Chris Sex Logs}}

On 27 [[September 2008]] [[PandaHalo]] released a series of Skype chats in which Chris discussed with her a variety of subjects related to [[sex]]. While the transcript of the chats is available, the audio accompanying the chats was lost for over 10 years except for a 5:30-minute snippet.<ref>https://archive.org/details/cwcsexlogs1</ref> The audio was later uploaded to the Internet Archive by [[Statustjej]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/lost-chrischan-pandahalo-audio-logs</ref>

===CopperCab Interview===
{{See also|CopperCab}}

The CopperCab Interview is an interview between Claire Kittrell, known on Youtube as CopperCab, and [[Chris]] uploaded on 23 [[October 2017]]. However the interview uploaded was not the full interview as indicated by the "Part 2 Tomorrow!" at the end of the video. However Part 2 was not uploaded on 24 [[October 2017]] leading to the assumption that Part 2 would never be released making it lost. However Part 2 was released on 5 [[August 2021]].

===CWC is Angry===
{{See also|CWC is Angry}}

[[CWC is Angry]] is a video released in [[August 2007]] in which Chris shoots at a picture of [[Adam Stackhouse]] with the [[Megatron pistol]] and is notable for being Chris's last video before he got trolled. Sometime after, the video was lost as [[Adam Stackhouse]] in a comment made on or before 8 April 2009 mentions the video being lost,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130408113141/http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=lA84b9eCyZA From YouTube comments, user 1693productions]</ref> later in [[April 2009]] the video was found.

===Fiona Facetime Video - Hair Twirling===
{{see also|Fiona Facetime Videos}}

Three videos of [[Fiona]] and Chris interacting over Facetime were censored on the CWCki. This was due to the Suitress Policy, which at one point called for censoring Fiona's appearances. The policy was relaxed on March 2022, now allowing for her face to be shown in videos and first name to be used in transcripts. This led to two of the three videos becoming uncensored, but one of the videos, Hair Twirling, remained censored because the uncensored video was lost for some time. The source for the original video was later found.

===Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)===
{{See also|Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)}}

[[Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)]] refers to the original interview conducted between members do the Internet Dream Lounge and [[Chris]] that took place on 4 [[September 2017]]. However upon negative feedback this interview was not uploaded, making it lost, while a second interview was held which was uploaded on 8 [[October 2017]]. However in [[August 2020]] the file of the unused first interview was leaked making it found.

===IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court===
{{See also|IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court}}

The [[IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court]] as the title suggests was a tour of Chris's home that occurred on 31 [[August 2014]] with [[Chris]] giving the tour to [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]]. The audio and slideshow of the tour were posted to [[Cousin Al]]'s YouTube channel on 8 [[September 2014]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/irl-tour-of-14-bc-audio.8231/ ([https://archive.ph/JqIx8 archive])</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150311043032/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4w28lQAON0</ref> Al's YouTube channel was subsequently terminated leading to the video of the audio and slideshow becoming lost. However, as of 6 [[August 2022]], a copy of the video was found.

===Jackson Dalton Interview===
{{See also|Jackson Dalton}}

The [[Jackson Dalton]] Interview was an interview between Jackson Dalton and [[Chris]] that occurred on 4 [[January 2019]] and uploaded to Youtube on 8 [[January 2019]] however the interview posted was edited and was not the full interview. Shortly after the upload the interview was taken down by Dalton due to poor reception, but was archived, while the unedited version was not released leading to the assumption it would never be released and thereby making it lost. However on 13 [[February 2020]] Dalton uploaded the full unedited interview.

===Manchester High Leaks===
{{See also|Manchester High Leaks}}

The [[Manchester High Leaks]] is a series of high school assignments from Chris's junior year between [[1998]] and [[1999]].<ref>https://archive.ph/4xcbm</ref> It was thought that these documents were permanently lost in the [[2014 house fire]] as before the fire these documents had not surfaced leading to them being considered lost even before the fire. However, [[Cousin Al]] on [[June 2014]] after digging through Chris's trash, found these documents though they were damaged from the [[2014 house fire]].

===Power (Document)===
{{See also|Power}}

[[Power]] was a zip file containing three videos of [[Chris]] performing acts of strength to impress [[Vanessa Hudgens]] which was leaked by [[The Miscreants]] on 27 [[April 2009]]. Along with the three videos contained an edited audio file of "[[I Got a Fish]]" and a "special thanks" document. While the videos and audio files were available, the "special thanks" document was lost for a over a decade until its contents were confirmed by [[Statustjej]] in the comments of their [[Chris Chan creepy smile|creepy smile]] reupload, and uploaded the original zipfile to the Internet Archive on 12 [[November 2025]].

===Rental House Tour===
{{See also|Rental House Tour}}

The [[Rental House Tour]] was a tour of Chris' temporary house in the aftermath of the [[2014 house fire]] recorded by [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]] on 31 [[August 2014]]. Sometime before or on 6 [[March 2019]] the video had been lost.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lost-cwcki-links.54097/</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/uuKkf</ref> However, on 14 and 19 [[April 2019]] the 1st and 2nd halves of the recording were found.

===Scrapbook of Fail===
{{See also|Scrapbook of Fail}}

The [[Scrapbook of Fail]] are two binders containing every comic [[Chris]] has ever drawn including [[Sonichu]]. After the [[2014 house fire]] the scrapbook stopped being mentioned leading to the belief that it had been lost as reported by [[Sachumo]]<ref>https://youtu.be/bXjnakAlF-s?t=3420</ref> however, in [[November 2015]] [[Chris]] revealed the scrapbook had been found and survived the fire.

===ShecameforCWC.JPG===
{{See also|ShecameforCWC.JPG}}

[[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] is a pornographic drawing consisting of [[Chris]] vaginally stimulating [[Megan Schroeder]] uploaded to [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] on 11 [[November 2007]]. On 4 [[November 2013]], and again in [[January 2018]], Chris claimed that he had destroyed the original drawing, leading to the assumption that it was lost media<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/November_2013_Facebook_Posts#That_Dang_Drawing</ref><ref>[[Brianfrogboy chats#shecameforcwc]]</ref>. However, on 23 [[April 2018]], Chris listed [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] for sale on his [[eBay]], which was bought by the [[Teen Troon Squad]]. It turned out that Chris had not truly destroyed the drawing but cut it up into squares - making it easy to reassemble - before placing it in the [[Crumple-Lope]]. It is unknown what the Teen Troon Squad have done with the drawing but it can be presumed they still own it, though they have not shown it off.

===The Classic===
{{See also|The Classic}}

[[The Classic]] refers to Chris's red and blue rugby shirt that he wore in many of his videos. It was thought that this shirt was destroyed and thereby lost in the [[2014 house fire]]. However, in [[April 2017]] [[Chris]] found [[The Classic]]. However, on 10 [[August 2018]] [[Barb]] threw away [[The Classic]] as revealed in a text to the [[Teen Troon Squad]] from [[Chris]], thereby making [[The Classic]] lost again.<ref>https://8ch.net/cow/res/651071.html#q687492</ref>

===The Sonichu Chronicles (Slides)===
{{See also|The Sonichu Chronicles}}

[[The Sonichu Chronicles]] was a PowerPoint presentation made by [[Chris]] in [[January 2009]] and was presented to [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Reggie Fils-Aimé]] as to give ideas on a [[Sonichu]] game. The contents of the slides are known as Chris in [[November 2009]] displayed them in the two part video [[Sonichu Powerpoint]]. However, the PowerPoint file was missing, making the slides lost for over a decade until [[Statustjej]] uploaded them to the Internet Archive on 21 October 2025.<ref>https://archive.org/details/the-sonichu-chronicles</ref>

===Sonichu Home Club (Videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Home Club}}

The [[Sonichu Home Club]] was an online event hosted on Chris's [[PS3]] through an online network. The purpose of these events was to gather [[TRUE and HONEST]] fans of [[Sonichu]], however, it appears these events were done by [[Chris]] in the hope of receiving praise. Two of these events occurred and had videos made about them by [[Vivian Gee]], but they were deleted. However, they were soon reuploaded in 2017 by CWCville Archives.

==Unknown Lost Media==
While this article has listed lost media associated with [[Chris]], this is the only lost media known to have existed and is now lost. It is almost certain that there are hundreds if not thousands of pieces of lost media around [[Chris]] that were never known or never released publicly or were never archived and have been lost. One can only speculate what has not been released or what has been lost over the course of Chris's life. Moreover, one can only speculate on what is waiting to be found.

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Lost Media

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{{Quote|Since the passage of time has destroyed Sappho and her works, her lyre and songs, I will set other lines before you as examples.|Tzetzes, On the Metres of Pindar, 20-22}}

'''Lost media''' refers to media that once existed but has been lost or destroyed or media that has never been released publicly.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_media</ref> This article aims to document the following kinds of lost media:

* Media made by or featuring Chris which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary.
* Media made by or featuring Chris which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* Media made by trolls that Chris has responded to or acknowledged which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary or which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* [[Relics of Fail]] whose current whereabouts are unknown or were destroyed (excluding those that Chris is known to have sold to fans).

Because of the broad scope of the article, it is unlikely to ever be complete. Of course, some lost media is of greater interest to Christorians than other lost media.

==Pre-internet discovery Lost Media==
===Autism papers===
{{See also|Autism papers}}

The [[Autism papers]] were a series of papers detailing the mental state of [[Chris]] and to what extent he has [[autism]]. Most of these papers appeared to have been destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]] as none of them have appeared since. Even if not destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], the hoard that is [[14 Branchland Court]] makes finding these papers next to impossible, making these papers almost certainly lost. However, one paper from [[2004]] survives as it was e-mailed to [[Kacey]] by [[Chris]] who passed it on to [[Liquid Chris]] who then distributed the paper online in [[November 2009]].

===Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :) (Master Copy)===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)}}

An extended edition of Chris's 2007 homemade DVD allegedly featuring over six hours of original content. Chris offered to share it with [[Regina e-mails|Regina]] in their emails. It was given to [[Joseph Draft]] in 2019 during planning for the cancelled ''[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]'' documentary.

===CWC's Diary===
{{See also|CWC's Diary}}

[[CWC's Diary]] refers to a series of entries published between 2004-2005 in a diary format. It is unknown if these entries came from a physical diary or from Chris's blogs on [[MySpace]] and [[Facebook]]. It must be remembered that the entries available are the ones Chris made public on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] and that the diary in its entirety has not been found. With Chris's [[MySpace]] being deleted in mid-2008 and a physical diary not emerging [[CWC's Diary]] in its entirety is lost.

===CWC's Pokésite 1===
{{See also|CWC's Pokésite 1}}

[[CWC's Pokésite 1]], originally known as CWC's Pokésite, was Chris's first website launched between 25 April and 3 July 1999. Chris appears to have abandoned the site in late July as on 22 July [[CWC's Pokésite 2]] was launched. The content of [[CWC's Pokésite 1]] is lost as the site is no longer up and the archive of the site only has three pages with the rest not working.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606031644/http://homes.acmecity.com/games/demo/190/GameShark.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606110946/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/GameShark2.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606132641/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/junglecards.html</ref> Also, the site guestbook is still available.<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20001021022214/neptune.guestworld.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=Starytime</ref> A Spanish version of the site also existed, however, the site is down and it was never archived making this lost as well.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20010801000000*/http://games.acmecity.com/demo/190/Espanol.html</ref>

===How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi" (For the Very Shy Man)===
{{See also|User:RachmaninovDESU/How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi"}}

The work is a pamphlet created by [[Chris]] on how to attract women. The date of creation is unknown however as Chris uses the pseudonym "Reldnahc Netso' Naitsirhc" a misspelling of [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]] which was created on 24 [[March 2005]] it is likely that the pamphlet was created sometime after though a terminus ante quem has not been established. While the front cover exists the rest of the pamphlet has not emerged either because it does not exist or because it is lost.

===Report cards===
{{See also|Honor roll}}

The report cards are a series of papers from Chris's education detailing his grades and academic progress. There has been no mention of these documents since the [[2014 house fire]], likely being destroyed and thereby lost. Even if not destroyed [[Chris]], claimed before the house fire in [[2009]] within [[Mailbag 19]] that he could not access the documents.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Mailbag_19#We_cannot_see_Chris.27s_report_cards</ref> Considering how cluttered [[14 Branchland Court]] is and [[Chris]] not having access to the documents, to begin with, it is unlikely that the documents can be found, making them lost if they have not been destroyed. However, Chris's grades can be seen in the assignments that have survived in the [[Manchester High Leaks]], so Chris's grades are not entirely lost.

===Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes (items)===
{{See also|Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes}}

The [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes]] was a contest held in 1993 in which the person who wrote down every "Sonic Sez" segment and sent it in would get the chance to win certain prizes, with the biggest prize being a $1,000 shopping spree at {{w|KB Toys|Kay-Bee Toys}}.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMyI6ZnLj3o</ref> Chris won this contest in 1994 and got the $1,000 shopping spree; however, only five items have been known to be purchased:

* ''Batman Returns'' ($49.99)
* ''Sonic CD'' (unknown price)
* ''Sonic Spinball'' ($49.99)
* "Star Trek" (probably ''Star Trek: The Next Generation: Echoes from the Past'') (unknown price)
* "Power Rangers Megazord" (unknown price. Estimate $29.99)

It is unknown what other items Chris bought with the remaining $857.04 (not including the prices of ''Sonic CD'' and the ''Star Trek'' game) and are thereby lost. Furthermore, as revealed in a 21 June 2021 message on [[The Place]] Discord server,<ref>[[The Place chats (June 2021)#Warhol Book Stress and Hoarding]]</ref> only ''Sonic CD'' was still in Chris's possession at that point, with the rest either having perished in the fire or sold off.

===The First PS3 Attempt===
As the title suggests, this is presumably Chris's first attempt at his [[Pixelated PS3]] video. It was included in the "Director's Cut" of [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)]] as an exclusive feature. According to the Director's Cut cover, it was filmed on 18 November [[2006]], the same date as the final take of the video. However, the regular DVD cover says that the Pixelated PS3 video was filmed on 28 November, so it may have been filmed on that date instead. Although the Director's Cut was obtained by [[Catherine]] and other material from it was leaked to the Internet, this video has never surfaced, possibly because it was just too uninteresting.

==Post-internet discovery Lost Media==
===10242009 (Gregg Mays' video)===
{{See also|10242009}}

[[10242009]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 24 [[October 2009]] in which he responds to [[Clyde Cash#Gregg_Mays|Gregg Mays]]. While this video is available, a video made by Gregg related to 10242009 was set to private. Gregg's video has not been found since and is considered to be lost.

===Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke (Mao's response)===
{{See also|Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke}}

[[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 17 [[January 2010]] in which he reads and reviews [[Asperchu]]. While this video is available, [[Mao]]'s response video released on the same day was made private. The video has not been found since then; Mao's response is currently considered to be lost.

===CatKnight Interview 5===
{{See also|CatKnight Interview 5}}

On 28 March 2016, Sir [[Arthur Spatchcock]], also known as '''CatKnight''' and '''Master Disaster''', conducted an interview with Chris on lets-plays. The footage and audio of this interview have been lost though; the transcript is intact.

===Chris Chan VS. The Internet===
{{See also|Chris Chan VS. The Internet}}

[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]] was a documentary made by Joseph Draft first announced on Kickstarter on 4 [[April 2019]]. The documentary includes interviews with Chris, [[Barbara]], and [[Megan Schroeder]] as well as candid footage of Chris going about his life. However, due to various alleged factors,<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats#Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]</ref> the documentary has not surfaced and the hard drive containing the documentary has allegedly been destroyed, making this documentary lost. However, the trailer, opening, and other two fragments are available.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGekFLTbeos</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6uEMpBxFu0</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98sXo70dAWs</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnWao2FJbQ</ref>

===Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (second accidental stream)===
{{See also|March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)}}

This video was the latter of the two accidentally started livestream recordings, which consisted of Chris singing the same song as the last time, before realising he pressed the stream button instead of recording it. While the first one has been saved, the latter was deleted far too soon for anyone to download it, making it forever lost.

===CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)===
{{See also|CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)}}

paintingatree was Chris's [[CWCki Forums]] account. However the posts preserved under this account come from the second account made in early 2013 as Chris's first account, also called paintingatree, was made sometime in 2012. However none of the posts Chris made in 2012 have been archived making them lost.

===DooDoo fard2874 pictures===
{{See also|Post-jail sightings (2023)}}

On 9 September 2023 Discord user DooDoo fard2874 chased down Chris in a Sheetz convenience store somewhere in Virginia. DooDoo fard2874 posted four images and a video of this event which shows Chris's Chevrolet Aveo driving however a picture of Chris reportedly was taken though it has not emerged and is currently lost.

===Dillin Thomas DMs===
{{See also|Dillin Thomas DMs}}

[[Dillin Thomas]] is a former [[Christuber]] who eventually closed his YouTube channel. With the closure was the loss of material such as DMs from Chris. Two DMs are known with the former, leaked on 23 [[December 2019]], only having one quote from Chris preserved with the rest of their communication being lost.

===eBay Purchases and Listings (2001-2008)===
Chris has been using eBay since all the way back in [[2001]]. While this wiki has archived most of Chris's eBay listings (and purchases) from 2008 onward, the same can't be said for his previous ones prior to that year. There have been a few records of his purchases from that era, but not a whole lot, and especially nothing of his potential listings. Chris's bans and suspensions from eBay, as well as potentially using sockpuppets, also make archiving these difficult, so it's possible these bits of info are lost.

===Helena DMs===
{{See also|Helena DMs}}

Between 15-21, [[June 2021]] Helena Fiorenza and Chris contacted each other through Twitter. However, the conversation that is available only shows the end of their communications and not the previous messages making the DM in its entirety lost.

===Jackie's Father Call===
{{See also|Jackie}}

In an email sent from [[Jackie]] to [[Chris]] at 1:36 PM on 16 [[July 2011]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Jackie_E-mails_30</ref>, [[Jackie]] revealed that the day before Jackie's father who was drunk at the time got into a call with [[Chris]]. It is unknown if the call was recorded, and even if it was, no audio nor transcript of the call has been released, making this call lost.

===Julie Reveals Herself (Video)===
{{See also|Julie Reveals Herself}}

[[Julie Reveals Herself]] is a [[Mumble]] chat between [[Bluespike]] and [[Chris]] on 3 [[March 2009]] which involves shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum and [[Julie]] revealing herself to be a boy. While the audio of the chat exists, the video that accompanied it, which includes footage of Chris shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum, is lost. It's worth noting that Chris claimed he didn't record himself doing so, so it's possible a video recording never existed to begin with (and given the rest of the trolls were disgusted at what was going on, it's possibly unlikely they didn't have a recording of it either).

===Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba (original)===
{{See also|Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba}}

Chris uploaded the video in [[January 2024]] but then removed it later in the month and uploaded another copy. Only the Raw Captions generated by YouTube were archived of the original video.

===MKRs Bloody Chunks Leaks===
{{see also|Chats leaked by MKRs Bloody Chunks}}
On 27 January 2020, a Kiwi Farms account under the name '''MKRs Bloody Chunks''' leaked a set of messages and audio files from The Place and Arbitarch CWC Alliance servers. These were only partially archived on the CWCki however. As of April 2025, the majority of these contents have been lost, as many of the links from the original post are now broken.<ref>{{cite farms|thread=52454|post=5926848}}</ref>

===My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey (Kacey's Part)===
{{See also|My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey}}

On 31 [[October 2009]] Chris made a video singing the male part of the lyrics to the song "A Whole New World", in response to [[Kacey]] uploading a video singing the female part of the same song. While Chris's video is available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gv3znHKues</ref>, Kacey's video has been taken down by YouTube and is currently lost.

===No More Jokes (Clyde's response)===
{{See also|No More Jokes}}

[[No More Jokes]] was a video by [[Chris]] released on 5 [[November 2009]] in which he reveals the real identity of [[Clyde Cash]]. While both the SFW and NSFW versions of the video exist, Clyde's response to the video is currently lost.

===PS3 Tutorial for my fans (full video)===
{{See also|PS3 Tutorial for my fans}}

On 24 [[February 2010]] the [[Magical Man]] uploaded a video in which he filmed Chris giving a tutorial on how to use a [[PS3]]. The video starts mid-sentence and ends abruptly showing that there was more footage than was released. The full video has not been found.

===Red Forest (other audio files)===
{{See also|Red Forest}}

[[Red Forest]] is one of several audio files created by [[Joshua Wise]] created in the autumn of [[2017]] used to manipulate Chris's beliefs on reality. There are other files aside from [[Red Forest]] to have existed with the only known one being revealed by Wise in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]] in which Wise used Chris's audio in an altered form to manipulate him.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Idea_Guy_Q%26A#Manipulating_Chris</ref> This audio has never been released, and it is unknown how many other audio clips existed as none aside from [[Red Forest]] have been leaked, making them lost.

===Rollin' and Trollin' (raw footage)===
{{See also|Rollin' and Trollin'}}

On 17 [[July 2009]], Chris uploaded a video filmed by the [[Magical Man]] in which he attempted to convince viewers that his entire internet history had in fact been a trolling scheme. The video was evidently filmed with a camera that had a 16:9 aspect ratio, before being stretched to a 4:3 aspect ratio and exported in 480p quality. This suggests that the raw footage of [[Rollin' and Trollin']] could be the earliest known video of Chris recorded in HD, though any raw footage from the video's production has yet to surface and is likely lost.

===Simonchu===
{{See also|Simonchu}}

[[Simonchu]] was a parody comic of [[Sonichu]] staring the eponymous character Simonchu created on 26 [[August 2008]]. As the comic was hosted on [[Asperpedia]] which shut down in [[2010]] and the archive of Simonchu has its file link request invalidated the comic was lost aside from some fragments.<ref>https://sneed.today/threads/simonchu-the-lost-fancomic.10338/#post-809780</ref><ref>https://imgur.com/fWC2lw3,1B7ulIl,GIIC5w1,eu84mkL,5eeYSx1,aNUzCR8,7eoGNbq,53ilnRW,i6xiNk6,3FirXzm,lrcSkRr,oQHqVSK,CYo0pA6,3ZTtGWC</ref> All 15 pages of Simonchu Issue 0 were found over a decade later by [[Statustjej]], who uploaded it to the Internet Archive on 27 [[October 2025]] and 3 [[November 2025]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/simonchu-comic-book-issue-0</ref> However, Simonchu Issue 1(27 pages), the Simonchu Special(5 pages), and the Simonchu Issue 2 cover remain lost.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142048/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_%28Comic%29</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142053/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_Issue_2</ref>

===Sockness DMs===
{{See also|Sockness DMs}}

Jacob Sockness is known to have had two DM communications with Chris, the first being on 28 [[August 2019]] and the second on 17 [[July 2020]]. Both DMs only show part of the communication making the entirety of their communications lost.

===Sonichu Fan Promo (videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Fan Promo}}

The [[Sonichu Fan Promo]] were three 3D animated shorts on [[Sonichu]] made by [[Timmys1984]], released between 11-14 [[October 2008]]. While the transcripts of all three videos exist, only the third video remains.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNoO0ZRDBE</ref> However, [[Chris]] incorporated these animations into [[Sonichu]] Issue 9, pages 72, 78, and 79 with 72 being the first short, 78 is the second short, and 79 is the third short.

===Sonichu's Live PS4 Broadcast===
{{See also|Twitch}}

On 16 [[March 2018]] Chris streamed the game '''Burnout Paradise Remastered''' on the [[PS4]]. While certain parts of the stream are available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXt6H5t1MoY</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwx7Y0A6_o</ref>, the stream footage in its entirety has been lost.

===The "Black Tape"===
{{Main|The Black Tape}}
"[[The Black Tape]]" is a recording of a Skype call between Chris, [[Jackie]] and several other trolls recorded at some time between the 7th and 8th of [[September 2011]], shortly after the death of [[Bob Chandler]]. Chris was distraught and grief-stricken during the call, with the contents of the call considered so upsetting that it has never been released to the public.

===The Chris Chan Interview (unedited version)===
{{See also|Keffals}}

The Chris Chan Interview was an interview conducted by [[Keffals]] with [[Chris]], uploaded to [[Youtube]] on 16 [[January 2024]]. However the uploaded interview was an edited version, with the unedited version only being accessible if someone pledged to the $100,000 tier on Keffals's [[Patreon]].<ref>https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1747443430282702958</ref> Currently no one has pledged to this tier and considering the price point it is unlikely that anyone ever will, making this work currently lost.

===ThePCAssassins Phone Calls===
{{See also|ThePCAssassins }}

ThePCAssassins is a YouTube account which previously had hosted many videos of trolls calling and speaking to Bob. To date only four of these calls are still publicly available, making the rest lost. One of them is numbered "Bob Call 6," indicating there are, at minimum, between two and five additional recordings currently unaccounted for, depending on how the other videos were originally numbered.

===Tlaw DMs===
{{See also|Tlaw DMs}}

Tlaw, at an unknown date, had a communication with Chris over setting a tabletop role-playing game in CWCville. However, the middle part of the communication is missing, making it lost.

===Unrecorded Voicemail Greetings===
{{See also|Voicemail greeting}}
Chris has changed his cell phone voicemail greeting message many times over the years. Many of these greetings have a transcription but no available recording, either because they were never recorded or because the recording has become lost.

===Unreleased Jackie E-mails===
{{See also|Category:Jackie E-mails}}

Between 5 [[April 2010]] to 7 [[September 2011]], [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] interacted with each other over emails which have been compiled into 31 sets. However, the emails present are the ones [[Alec Benson Leary]] compiled and it is confirmed that [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] had email conversations that [[Alec Benson Leary]] omitted due to them being irrelevant.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/are-you-losing-interest-in-chris.3255/page-5#post-190559</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/ZznwI</ref> Considering how long ago these events happened, it is likely that these unreleased emails will never surface, making them lost.

===Unreleased Miscreant Interactions===
{{See also|Miscreants}}

The [[Miscreants]] were a group of [[trolls]] consisting of many of the most notable, including [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Liquid Chris]]. While many of their interactions with [[Chris]] are known, [[Marvin]] has confirmed that a significant amount of chats and calls the [[Miscreants]] and [[Chris]] had have not been released.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-5-chris-and-chrissy.10627/page-6#post-822127</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/Om30l</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/official-decision-regarding-gender-and-chris-gender-discussion-megathread.6283/page-31#post-5067791</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/5HTxq</ref> Considering how long ago these interactions happened and the fact it is unknown if anyone has these unreleased chats and calls, these interactions are likely lost.

===Web Soup Appearance===
{{See also|For G4s Web Soup}}

''Web Soup'' was a television series on the defunct network G4, which served as a spin-off of the E! network's long-running series ''The Soup'' and, like that series, focused on satirical commentary on then-recent pop culture events, specifically Internet media and viral videos. One episode, aired in [[July 2009]], featured an appearance of Chris's [[I Got a Fish]] video, the [[Toucher and Rich Segment|second time]] it popped up in the mainstream media. However, even though Chris himself acknowledged this appearance, the episode with that segment has been lost to time. While several other episodes of ''Web Soup'' have been recovered and archived over the years, the one with Chris's appearance has yet to resurface, not helped by the series being off the air since 2014 and never having been given an official home media release.

==Lost Relics==
===Asperchu Medallion===
{{See also|Asperchu}}

The '''Asperchu Medallion''' was a variant of the [[Sonichu]] medallion featuring [[Asperchu]] instead of [[Sonichu]] sent to [[Chris]] by [[Alec Benson Leary]]. It is unknown when [[Alec Benson Leary]] sent the medallion to [[Chris]] however the medallion was first seen in Chris's [[Magical Man Potion]] video uploaded on 24 [[February 2010]]. [[Chris]] revealed in a [[Facebook]] post made on 2 [[August 2014]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/August_2014_Facebook_Posts#Fan_items_lost_in_the_fire</ref> that the '''Asperchu Medallion''' was destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], making it lost.

===Attraction Sign===
{{See also|Attraction Sign}}

The [[Attraction Sign]]s were a series of signs detailing his desire for a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] used from [[2004]] to [[2014]]. All the signs made before the [[2014 house fire]] have not appeared since likely being destroyed in the event, thereby making them lost. One sign has been made since the [[2014 house fire]] on [[July 2014]] on Chris's [[OkCupid]] account<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Okcupid_8_jul_2014_4.jpg</ref>, however, it has also not appeared since likely making it lost.

===Goddess Log Vol. 5===
According to TheGamerFromMars's documentary ''The Resurrection of Chris Chan'', though the first four volumes of the Goddess Logs were sent over to 14 Branchland Ct, the fifth volume, which details Chris's stay at [[Western State Hospital]], was severely deteriorated from water damage before anyone could get a copy.<ref>[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]</ref>

===Heart Torch of Fail===
{{See also|Heart Torch of Fail}}

The [[Heart Torch of Fail]] was a torch made of [[Pixelblocks]] that has an unknown significance to the [[Love Quest]]. The torch was made sometime before or during [[2005]] as it appears in [[Sonichu 4]], which was produced in the year [[2005]]. Since its appearance in [[2005]], it has never been seen since likely, being destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], thereby making it lost.

===Medallions===
{{See also|Medallions}}

The [[Medallions]] refers to the [[Sonichu]] [[Medallions]] made by [[Chris]] over the course of his life. The prototype medallion which [[Chris]] wore in [[2004]] as it is mentioned in the [[Autism papers]] disappeared after this year and is believed to be lost in the literal sense.

===Red String of Fate===
{{See also|Red String of Fate}}

The [[Red String of Fate]] was a string with a paper heart attached on the end designed to attract a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] created on 1 [[August 2004]]. In [[anime]] like [[Excel Saga]], of which Chris likely got the idea from as he watched [[Excel Saga]] before creating the [[Red String of Fate]],<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20160827014324/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcville//SchusNews3.htm</ref> the [[red string]] is used as a metaphor to in courting love. However, [[Chris]] did not see the metaphor and would throw the [[red string]] at women in the hopes of "reeling" them in. On 5 [[August 2004]] a [[Jerkop|mall security guard]] confiscated it and it has never resurfaced, likely being destroyed and thereby lost.

===The Wall of Originals===
{{See also|The Wall of Originals}}

[[The Wall of Originals]] was a wall covered in Chris's customized [[Pokémon]] cards. Most of the cards from the wall were destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], although some survived as revealed in a [[July 2017]] tweet and [[Chris]] listing the surviving cards on [[eBay]] in [[June 2018]].<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/July_2017_tweets#Holographic_cards</ref>

==Lost and Found Media==

{{Quote|I will try, if chance favours my wishes, to seek for you the Germanic Wars of Pliny the Elder.|Symmachus, Letters, 4.18.5}}

===2021 Lost Commissions===
{{See also|2021 Lost Commissions}}

The [[2021 Lost Commissions]] were a series of commissioned art created in the summer of 2021 for the [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW]] fundraiser. Due to Chris's arrest for incest these works were never delivered and remained lost at [[14 Branchland Court]] until Chris reacquired them after his release. These works would then be listed on [[OfficialCWCmart]] on 15 [[October 2023]].

===An Interview with the Chris-Chan===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler Interview}}

An Interview with the Chris-Chan was Chris's first interview after trolling began occurring on or before 17 [[October 2008]]<ref>Date determined from [https://web.archive.org/web/20081021045439/http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Chris-chan/Archive10#An_interview ED Chris-chan talk page, Archive10]</ref> being hosted on [[PSN]] and being uploaded to Youtube. It is notable for being the first video appearance of [[Barb]]. Sometime after the video was removed from Youtube for "violating YouTube's policy on hate speech" until it was rediscovered and re-uploaded on 27 [[January 2017]].

===BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7 (full recording)===
{{See also|BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7}}

A recorded PSN chat between Chris, [[Bob]], and "[[Julie]]" lasting approximately twenty minutes. The first nine minutes and eighteen seconds of the chat were preserved, but the recording abruptly ends while Bob is discussing his music collection. The lost portion of the call includes Bob talking about his health problems and [[Cherokee]] heritage, followed by goodbyes and the trolls talking among themselves. A full copy of the call was located on [[statustjej]]'s hard drive, who promptly uploaded it to the Internet Archive.

===Chris-chan Discusses...===
{{See also|Chris-chan Discusses...}}

[[Chris-chan Discusses...]] is a series of interviews conducted by Larry Bundy and [[Chris]] conducted over [[June 2009]] and uploaded to Youtube over [[July 2009]]. However the releases over [[July 2009]] were only extracts from the full interviews of which were not released until 30 [[August 2012]].

===[[Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg]]===
[[File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|thumb|200px|right|The screencap.]]
On 30 [[March 2011]], [[CWCki]] editor [[User:Riley Martin|Riley Martin]] uploaded [[:File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|a mysterious picture]] to the site. Not much was known about the image besides the little information the editor gave:
{{quoteboxred|From some mysterious video. Chris’ face never changes from that smile, and he never stops staring. Don’t ask where it’s from.}}

Later the same day, a CWCki editor would ask for the source of the screencap on its talk page, but didn't receive any reply. Riley Martin has not edited the CWCki since 26 [[February 2012]], making the original video and its context lost for over a decade.

YouTube user [[Statustjej]] finally uploaded the clip on 10 [[October 2025]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O-Slh34q7Y</ref>

===Chris Sex Logs (Audio)===
{{See also|Chris Sex Logs}}

On 27 [[September 2008]] [[PandaHalo]] released a series of Skype chats in which Chris discussed with her a variety of subjects related to [[sex]]. While the transcript of the chats is available, the audio accompanying the chats was lost for over 10 years except for a 5:30-minute snippet.<ref>https://archive.org/details/cwcsexlogs1</ref> The audio was later uploaded to the Internet Archive by [[Statustjej]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/lost-chrischan-pandahalo-audio-logs</ref>

===CopperCab Interview===
{{See also|CopperCab}}

The CopperCab Interview is an interview between Claire Kittrell, known on Youtube as CopperCab, and [[Chris]] uploaded on 23 [[October 2017]]. However the interview uploaded was not the full interview as indicated by the "Part 2 Tomorrow!" at the end of the video. However Part 2 was not uploaded on 24 [[October 2017]] leading to the assumption that Part 2 would never be released making it lost. However Part 2 was released on 5 [[August 2021]].

===CWC is Angry===
{{See also|CWC is Angry}}

[[CWC is Angry]] is a video released in [[August 2007]] in which Chris shoots at a picture of [[Adam Stackhouse]] with the [[Megatron pistol]] and is notable for being Chris's last video before he got trolled. Sometime after, the video was lost as [[Adam Stackhouse]] in a comment made on or before 8 April 2009 mentions the video being lost,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130408113141/http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=lA84b9eCyZA From YouTube comments, user 1693productions]</ref> later in [[April 2009]] the video was found.

===Fiona Facetime Video - Hair Twirling===
{{see also|Fiona Facetime Videos}}

Three videos of [[Fiona]] and Chris interacting over Facetime were censored on the CWCki. This was due to the Suitress Policy, which at one point called for censoring Fiona's appearances. The policy was relaxed on March 2022, now allowing for her face to be shown in videos and first name to be used in transcripts. This led to two of the three videos becoming uncensored, but one of the videos, Hair Twirling, remained censored because the uncensored video was lost for some time. The source for the original video was later found.

===Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)===
{{See also|Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)}}

[[Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)]] refers to the original interview conducted between members do the Internet Dream Lounge and [[Chris]] that took place on 4 [[September 2017]]. However upon negative feedback this interview was not uploaded, making it lost, while a second interview was held which was uploaded on 8 [[October 2017]]. However in [[August 2020]] the file of the unused first interview was leaked making it found.

===IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court===
{{See also|IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court}}

The [[IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court]] as the title suggests was a tour of Chris's home that occurred on 31 [[August 2014]] with [[Chris]] giving the tour to [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]]. The audio and slideshow of the tour were posted to [[Cousin Al]]'s YouTube channel on 8 [[September 2014]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/irl-tour-of-14-bc-audio.8231/ ([https://archive.ph/JqIx8 archive])</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150311043032/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4w28lQAON0</ref> Al's YouTube channel was subsequently terminated leading to the video of the audio and slideshow becoming lost. However, as of 6 [[August 2022]], a copy of the video was found.

===Jackson Dalton Interview===
{{See also|Jackson Dalton}}

The [[Jackson Dalton]] Interview was an interview between Jackson Dalton and [[Chris]] that occurred on 4 [[January 2019]] and uploaded to Youtube on 8 [[January 2019]] however the interview posted was edited and was not the full interview. Shortly after the upload the interview was taken down by Dalton due to poor reception, but was archived, while the unedited version was not released leading to the assumption it would never be released and thereby making it lost. However on 13 [[February 2020]] Dalton uploaded the full unedited interview.

===Manchester High Leaks===
{{See also|Manchester High Leaks}}

The [[Manchester High Leaks]] is a series of high school assignments from Chris's junior year between [[1998]] and [[1999]].<ref>https://archive.ph/4xcbm</ref> It was thought that these documents were permanently lost in the [[2014 house fire]] as before the fire these documents had not surfaced leading to them being considered lost even before the fire. However, [[Cousin Al]] on [[June 2014]] after digging through Chris's trash, found these documents though they were damaged from the [[2014 house fire]].

===Power (Document)===
{{See also|Power}}

[[Power]] was a zip file containing three videos of [[Chris]] performing acts of strength to impress [[Vanessa Hudgens]] which was leaked by [[The Miscreants]] on 27 [[April 2009]]. Along with the three videos contained an edited audio file of "[[I Got a Fish]]" and a "special thanks" document. While the videos and audio files were available, the "special thanks" document was lost for a over a decade until its contents were confirmed by [[Statustjej]] in the comments of their [[Chris Chan creepy smile|creepy smile]] reupload, and uploaded the original zipfile to the Internet Archive on 12 [[November 2025]].

===Rental House Tour===
{{See also|Rental House Tour}}

The [[Rental House Tour]] was a tour of Chris' temporary house in the aftermath of the [[2014 house fire]] recorded by [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]] on 31 [[August 2014]]. Sometime before or on 6 [[March 2019]] the video had been lost.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lost-cwcki-links.54097/</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/uuKkf</ref> However, on 14 and 19 [[April 2019]] the 1st and 2nd halves of the recording were found.

===Scrapbook of Fail===
{{See also|Scrapbook of Fail}}

The [[Scrapbook of Fail]] are two binders containing every comic [[Chris]] has ever drawn including [[Sonichu]]. After the [[2014 house fire]] the scrapbook stopped being mentioned leading to the belief that it had been lost as reported by [[Sachumo]]<ref>https://youtu.be/bXjnakAlF-s?t=3420</ref> however, in [[November 2015]] [[Chris]] revealed the scrapbook had been found and survived the fire.

===ShecameforCWC.JPG===
{{See also|ShecameforCWC.JPG}}

[[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] is a pornographic drawing consisting of [[Chris]] vaginally stimulating [[Megan Schroeder]] uploaded to [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] on 11 [[November 2007]]. On 4 [[November 2013]], and again in [[January 2018]], Chris claimed that he had destroyed the original drawing, leading to the assumption that it was lost media<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/November_2013_Facebook_Posts#That_Dang_Drawing</ref><ref>[[Brianfrogboy chats#shecameforcwc]]</ref>. However, on 23 [[April 2018]], Chris listed [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] for sale on his [[eBay]], which was bought by the [[Teen Troon Squad]]. It turned out that Chris had not truly destroyed the drawing but cut it up into squares - making it easy to reassemble - before placing it in the [[Crumple-Lope]]. It is unknown what the Teen Troon Squad have done with the drawing but it can be presumed they still own it, though they have not shown it off.

===The Classic===
{{See also|The Classic}}

[[The Classic]] refers to Chris's red and blue rugby shirt that he wore in many of his videos. It was thought that this shirt was destroyed and thereby lost in the [[2014 house fire]]. However, in [[April 2017]] [[Chris]] found [[The Classic]]. However, on 10 [[August 2018]] [[Barb]] threw away [[The Classic]] as revealed in a text to the [[Teen Troon Squad]] from [[Chris]], thereby making [[The Classic]] lost again.<ref>https://8ch.net/cow/res/651071.html#q687492</ref>

===The Sonichu Chronicles (Slides)===
{{See also|The Sonichu Chronicles}}

[[The Sonichu Chronicles]] was a PowerPoint presentation made by [[Chris]] in [[January 2009]] and was presented to [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Reggie Fils-Aimé]] as to give ideas on a [[Sonichu]] game. The contents of the slides are known as Chris in [[November 2009]] displayed them in the two part video [[Sonichu Powerpoint]]. However, the PowerPoint file was missing, making the slides lost for over a decade until [[Statustjej]] uploaded them to the Internet Archive on 21 October 2025.<ref>https://archive.org/details/the-sonichu-chronicles</ref>

===Sonichu Home Club (Videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Home Club}}

The [[Sonichu Home Club]] was an online event hosted on Chris's [[PS3]] through an online network. The purpose of these events was to gather [[TRUE and HONEST]] fans of [[Sonichu]], however, it appears these events were done by [[Chris]] in the hope of receiving praise. Two of these events occurred and had videos made about them by [[Vivian Gee]], but they were deleted. However, they were soon reuploaded in 2017 by CWCville Archives.

==Unknown Lost Media==
While this article has listed lost media associated with [[Chris]], this is the only lost media known to have existed and is now lost. It is almost certain that there are hundreds if not thousands of pieces of lost media around [[Chris]] that were never known or never released publicly or were never archived and have been lost. One can only speculate what has not been released or what has been lost over the course of Chris's life. Moreover, one can only speculate on what is waiting to be found.

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{{References}}
{{Newbie}}
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Rollin' and Trollin'

2025-11-15T09:13:33Z

Cottonmather:

[[Image:cwcrollin.png|thumb|right|KEEP ROLLIN', TROLLIN', ROLLIN', TROLLIN']]

'''Rollin' and Trollin'''' is a video of downtown [[CWCville]] (really downtown [[Charlottesville]]) uploaded on 17 [[July 2009]], in which Chris attempts [[Wikipedia:Andy Kaufman|Kaufmanesque humor]]. Notable is a video message to real life [[trolls]], including several [[CWCki]] editors. The key component of this message is that, in a shocking turn of events, Chris was engaging in the most elaborate trolling scheme in history, and has duped us all masterfully. (If only that were true.)

To sell the deception, [[Chris]] changed his look to have:
*a normal hairstyle
*[[That Goatee WILL Grow Back|a goatee]]
*sunglasses instead of large, square [[pedo-glasses]]
*plain blue T-shirt and jeans
*[[navy]] blue sleeveless unbuttoned shirt over his T-shirt
*dog-collar bracelets
*tattoo sleeves, a ''[[Guitar Hero]]: Metallica'' pre-order gift from [[Best Buy]]
*no [[Amnyfest Ring]]
*a chain with some dog tags, instead of his trademark [[Sonichu medallion]]

Of course, the disguise unintentionally gave away the truth: the lack of the ring and medallion suggested that Chris was not entirely TRUE and HONEST when he made this video, something that he indeed confirmed later. Chris also is continuing his pattern that started about a month before of sometimes not speaking clearly; however, his dialogue is especially unclear here at many parts.

In some parts of the video, his voice suddenly sounds like that of a man in his twenties. However, in other parts of the video, his voice starts cracking as it normally does, like a young boy's voice. No matter what, he still sounds like... well, an [[autism|autistic]].

In his ''[[Internet Dream Lounge]]'' podcast interview, according to Chris's recollection, the cameraman was the mysterious [[Magical Man]] – a friend of Chris's [[Gal pal|gal pal]] [[Kim Wilson]]. Notably, the video appears to have been filmed in a 16:9 aspect ratio, only to be stretched into the 4:3 aspect ratio typical of Chris, making it potentially the first video of Chris to be filmed in HD. Unfortunately, any raw footage recorded for the video has likely been long since [[Lost Media|lost]].

Interestingly enough, Chris behaves (or at least makes a poor attempt to behave) as a normal person would. This implies that he knows to some degree that what he is doing with his life ISN'T normal. To what degree he realizes this is unknown.

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Rollin' and Trollin'
| ytid = MD4AulkzdJE
| stardate = 17 [[July 2009]]
| maker = [[IBAChandler]]
| subject = {{Music|text}}, {{Trollsicon|text}}, {{Politics|text}}
| style = {{Comedy|text}}, {{Smug|text}}
| shirt = {{TrollinShirt|text}}
| other = {{Live|text}}
| previous = [[Chris's Big Night Out II]]
| next = [[CWC Trollin More]]
}}

{{quote|Well the, uh, truth comes out. I’ve never been autistic, I work forty hours a week to support my parents, this has all been a trick, you have all been trolled. }}

=== Transcript ===

[''Note: an [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107843413913045677951.0004720130396776af50b&ll=38.030219,-78.480331&spn=0.006845,0.012757&t=h&z=17&lci=com.google.ugc.c752d13e87c4fbd7 annotated listing] of the locations featured in this video has been created on Google Maps.'']

''Christian Weston Chandler, Rollin’ and Trollin’''

[''Music, in the form of "Escape from the City" from ''[[Sonic]] Adventure 2'', plays as Chris walks down the street'']

'''Chris''': [''imitating an announcer''] Hi, we’re coming to you live from CWCville today. We’re over at the CWCville pavilion. The, uh, [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|Hedgehog Boys]] and the, uh, master Christian Mayor the, uh they for day, uh, come here every Friday night and, uh, and it draws a crowd, uh, and it’s very good, y’know. [''Shimmies clumsily''] This gives me some, uh, business from amongst the population that comes around.

[''Music plays as Chris walks down the street'']

'''Chris''': Ah yes, this is our graffiti wall in the mid- uh in the middle of the, uh, city of CWCville in the metropolis. The, uh, fee- the, uh, children are, uh, enjoying it obviously and this is also part of our beautification project in the city and we and I gotta say that the, uh, project just looks fantab- fantastic from here. It all looks very good. I tell you what. “Give me the liberty to know, to utter and to argue according to conscience above all liberties.”

[''Music plays while Chris goes to an elevator. 15 seconds of dead air time pass while he waits for the elevator to arrive while the music plays like it's the coolest thing in the world. The video is also even cut in between the elevator wait as the elevator took even longer to come. The music itself makes the dead air time seem like it's two minutes instead of fifteen seconds. The music continues as he boards the elevator. The lift rises until they arrive at a car park on the top floor.'']

'''Cameraman''': So how do you feel about President [[Barack Obama|Obama]] and his economic policies?
[[File:Cameraman.png|thumb|Contrary to popular belief, the cameraman (on the right) seems to be a pretty normal guy.]]

'''Chris''': I like it. It’s he’s doing a smash-up job of it and he’s, uh, getting everybody their money and, uh, getting everybody the bang for their buck.

'''Cameraman''': How do you feel about President Obama’s foreign policies with countries like Iran and Iraq?

'''Chris''': Hmmm. Yeah. I think he’s doin’ OK. You know, uh, establishing, uh, good communications and, uh, giving them what they, uh, require yeah he’s I think he’s doing a very good job with his, uh, foreign policies.

'''Cameraman''': President Obama, being a family man, what is your opinion on his character?

'''Chris''': I think he’s a regular stand up [[Family Guy|family guy]].

[''During the Obama questions, Chris's voice pitch was in the style of how his voice becomes very high-pitched when he lies.'']

[''Music plays as Chris walks along talking and gesturing at the sky. They arrive at the Timberlake drug store.'']

'''Chris''': Ah, yes, the old Timberlake drug store. It’s been in the, uh, family for generations. The, uh, only, uh ss- generation that, uh, has not been able to run it is the one that went on to a singing career.

[''Outside a bar named Rapture. A clothing store called [[Vivian]]'s is clearly visible'']

'''Chris''': Alright, well, since the, uh, bar s- since the bar law has been repealed, the drinking law, the this here’s the first bar to open up. The, uh, Rapture, uh, in the city of CWCville. Ah, also known by the nickname of, uh, R2.

[''Heart wipe. Chris strides along to music'']

[[File:1920px-2008-0830-Charlottesville-DowntownMall.jpg|thumb|Downtown CWCville.]]
'''Chris''': Over in downtown CWCville the honor the, uh, death of our dearly departed, uh, bodyguard of mine, [[BILLY MAYS]]. He sacrificed his life in an assassination attempt from m- from me and, uh, is doobly honored in downtown CWCville. We build this building. [''Camera pans to a derelict apartment block.''] To be completed in a few, uh, the towers n-, uh, the building the buildings will be the BILLY MAYS Tower and will serve as the new commercial site in the commercial center.

''And now some words to our fans''

'''Chris''': Hey Xantos (sic), man don’t ya be waggling that carton finger around at people. [''Flips off the camera''] Hey [[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]], you wish you were as cool as [[Doctor Robotnik|Doctor Ivo Eggman]]. [''Punches the air, gives V-sign''] Tie day is groovy, maaan. PeachyKeen is always awesome [''V-sign turns into Shocker sign''] wasn’t just in a decade it’s forever. [[Wikipedia:Space Channel 5|Ulala]], now reporting for Space Channel 9, is that yoouu in that picture? Hey, Cosmos, you wish that I could feel ya’. [[Wikipedia:Anthony Sullivan (pitchman)|Anthony Sullivan]], you’re nothing without BILLY MAYS, you’re nothing with BILLY MAYS and if you want to talk about cock building look at BILLY MAYS memorial right behind me. Okay, El Misto, you don’t like my beard so much [''Camera zooms in on his chin''] I’ll tell you much it was a present form uncle Scrotor. Tez-manian Devil, some people have oily skin [''Camera zooms in on his forehead''] it doesn’t mean that their hygiene is bad. How about instead of the, uh, water that doesn’t work so well how about I rub you off my face! Hey double C D, yeah the Robotech Era is over Gundam overshadowed it. Arrrg, Neckbeardedone, quit lurking in ye shadows and step up and be a real troll. Hey [[User:RachmaninovDESU‎|Rachmaninov]] [''In air quotes''] stop dissing this chick. Man up will you? [[Captain's Log]], Stardate: Velour Fog? [[Futurama|Zapp Brannigan]]? What’s the deal with that? I’d punch you in the face like Leela does. [''Swipes at the air''] Hey Morden, yeah we kissed but that’s not all: I hit that like the fist of an angry God.

''Thank you''

[''Music plays as Chris walks'']

[''In a park. Chris is wearing a pair of eye glasses over his eyes and a pair of sunglasses over his forehead'']

'''Chris''': Hey, I’m not near-sighted that was a rules [ruse]. If you want to see what they really do gimme a sec’. [''Puts glasses in front of the camera. With a whoosh and a hum, the scene becomes posterized in reds, purples, and greens, mimicking [[wikipedia:Predator (alien)|the infrared sight]] of the creatures from the ''Predator'' movies.'']

''A few thoughts on [[Optimus Prime]]''

'''Chris''': Yeah, Optimus Prime, uh, compurer, um, do not really care much for him, uh, I mean ever since the movie he’s always hanging around with Sam y'know. He’s always hanging around with kids. [[BlueSpike|Somemany]] [[Pedofork|needs to call]] [[Wikipedia:Chris Hansen|Chris Hansen]].

''The final word about the greatest troll in history...''

Well the, uh, truth comes out. I’ve never been [[autism|autistic]], I work forty hours a week to support my parents, this has all been a trick... [''camera zooms in on Chris as he points his finger''] ''you'' have been trolled.

[''Music plays while Chris does his victory lap'']

''Cast''

''Christian Weston Chandler as Himself''

''Special Thanks: The Field Agents of CWCVille’s Security Taskforce''

''The [[PVCC (board)|Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens]]''

''[[Axe|Old Spice Swagger: The Scent of Confidence]]''

''[[HEXBox|Microsoft’s X-Box 360]]''

''And the silly trolls everywhere, for the many lulz you have provided.''

==Fan videos==

{{Infobox/Fanvideo
|name = Viper - ROLLIN N TROLLIN
|ytid = D9Mg2s7LSAc
|stardate = 21 Nov 2022
|maker = {{w|Viper (rapper)|Viper}}
|info = Meme rapper makes a track about CWC.
}}
{{Infobox/Fanvideo
|name = Chris Chan: The Good Ending
|ytid = PXbjfPq_LAQ
|stardate = 13 [[July 2021]]
|maker = crashnburn254
|info = What if this was Chris's last video?
}}

==See also==
*[[Fridays After Five]]
*[[Ian Brandon Anderson]]

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[Chris's Big Night Out II]]|nextlink=[[CWC Trollin More]]|}}
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Hello, my sweety baby

2025-11-15T09:09:22Z

Cottonmather:

'''Hello, my sweety baby''' is a video leaked on [[Chris's birthday|24 Febr]][[February 2014|uary 2014]] of [[Chris]] singing the Tin Pan Alley song "[[Wikipedia:Hello! Ma Baby|Hello! Ma Baby]]" outside his house, in the style of the ''[[Wikipedia:Merrie Melodies|Merrie Melodies]]'' short ''[[Wikipedia:One Froggy Evening|One Froggy Evening]]''. He also attempts to do Michigan J. Frog's high-step dancing, but instead appears to stupidly jump and prance around as his [[manboobs]] jiggle all over the place.

Presumably he was singing to a [[heartsweet]] that he hadn't yet met. Either that, or this is another bout of [[random-access humor]]. Or both.

The video was shot on an iPhone, making it unusually high quality for his [[Chris and cameras|usual standards]]. It is the earliest known video recorded by or featuring Chris to be uploaded in HD.

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Hello, my sweety baby!
| ytid = MBDcdJDFzTk
| stardate = 8 [[May 2013]]
| subject = {{Galpals|[[Love Quest]]}}, {{Power|text}}, {{Music|text}}
| style = {{Crazy|text}}
| shirt = {{Class of 2000|text}}
| other = {{Leaked|text}}
| previous = [[Tour of Chris's House II]]
| next = [[2014 house fire]]
}}

=== Transcript ===
[''Chris has set the camera down on something uneven, resulting in the footage being at an odd angle.'']

[''terrifyingly comes close to the camera with a [[creepy stare|piercing stare]] before abruptly smiling''] '''A-woooe!''' [''looks at iPod Touch, salutes and sings in "baritone" as he prances around. Every time he lands a heavy step, his voice shakes under his own weight.'']

<poem>Hello, ma baby,
[[Monthly tugboat|Hello, ma money]] [''sic''],
Hello, ma ragtime gal,
Send me a kiss by wire,
Baby, [[Obesity|my heart's on fire]]!
If you refuse me,
Honey, you'll lose me,
... you'll be left alone;
Oh baby, telephone
And tell me I'm your own!

[''Looks at his iPod for lyrics, being too lazy to learn them, then begins speaking in a [[Homos|gay]] voice'']
You call me on the telephone
You tell me that you’re all alone
I know that you are lying through your teeth
You dirty rascal
How could you expect me
To [[List of sweethearts|believe the lies you hand me]]
You've been out with that girl again
[''Chris skips the line "Now do you understand me?"'']
You broke my heart and made me cry
With every phoney alibi
When I could see the lipstick on your shirt
You dirty polecat
Telephone and tell me I'm your own.

[''begins singing in baritone again'']
Hello, ma baby,
Hello, ma honey,
Hello, ma ragtime gal,
I’m sorry that I made you blue
It was a beaut--it was a beastly thing to do
I shouldn’t have upset you like I did
With little blue--with Lil’ the barmaid
[''Chris skips the line "If you take me back again"'']
I’ll never, ever...wander
‘Cause when I did...
[''Chris pauses, breathing heavily from [[Obesity|the exertion of light exercise]]'']
I found that absence
Made the heart grow fonda!
[[Bob|Cross my heart and hope to die]]
[[List of Chris's lies|I’ll never tell another lie]]
I’ll mend your [[Heart level|broken heart]]
As good as new
My little cough-drop
Telephone and tell me I'm your own

Hello, ma baby,
Hello, ma honey,
Hello, ma ragtime gal,
[[CWC Cums for a Cat|Send me a kiss by wire,]]
Baby, my heart's on fire!
If you refuse me,
Honey, you'll lose me,
Then you'll be left alone;
Oh baby, telephone
And tell me I'm your own!</poem>

==Fan Videos==
{{Infobox/Fanvideo
| name = Chris Chan Michigan J. Frog (In Color!)
| video = {{#ev:youtube|RpIkST8E1F4}}
| Stardate = 24 [[February 2014]]
| Maker = HeirOfByzantium
}}

==References==
<references/>
{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[CWC Lego Manchester High School Oct 18 2013]]|nextlink=[[Mario Kart 8 Videos]]|}}
{{Music Videos}}
{{Power videos}}

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[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2013]]

Bob Chandler

2025-11-11T02:35:52Z

Cottonmather: Added last words

{{Incomplete|[[ThePCAssassins]]}}
{{quote|It was an interesting life I had.|Bob, at peace.<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref>}}

{{quote|All around the world, everyone prays to their own God, but they are all praying to the same God.|Bob's alleged last words.<ref>[[November 2025 social media posts#Chris is the Avatar, Bob's last words]]</ref>

{{quote|I don't believe he ever, Mr. C, any of her past boyfriends, ex-husbands... haven't really reached and hit her G-spot really with their dicks.|Chris, insulting Bob's memory by claiming that [[Affair with Mother|he was better at fucking]] [[Barbara Chandler|the man's wife]] [[Chris and his ego|than he ever was]].<ref>[[Incest Call]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
| name = Robert Franklin Chandler Jr.
| image = Chrischansdad.jpg
|imagesize = 250
|aliases = Bob Bobby Mr. C [[Bob Walks In|Internet Lumberjack]] [[Cole Smithey#Relationship with Barbara and Bob|Republican cur]] [[:File:Chandler family as ponies.png|Gallop Crush]] Robertchu<ref>[[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris#Sonichu genealogy for Chris, Bob and Ted Bundy]]</ref>
|label3 = Date of Birth
|day = 4
|month = 9
|year = 1927
|deathday = 6
|deathmonth = 9
|deathyear = 2011
|gender = Male
|nationality = [[United States|American]]
|race = White [[Count Dankula|Half-Sonichu]]<ref>Planted by [[Idea Guys#Lingering influence|Idea Guy]], mentioned in [[Count Dankula]] interview</ref>
|religion = Protestant (Methodist)
|label8 = Height
|ft = 5
|in = 7.5
|spouse = Patricia Faye Harley (1956–1980, divorce) [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara Ann Weston]] (1980–2011, his death)
|children = Dr. David Alan Chandler Carol Suzanne Chandler [[Christian Weston Chandler]] [[Cole Smithey]] (stepson)
|grandchildren = [[Savannah Chandler]]
|father = Robert Franklin Chandler Sr. (1906–1977)
|mother = Jean Hollomon (1906–1945)
|education = [[wikipedia:Auburn_University|Auburn University]] ([[wikipedia:Bachelor of Electrical Engineering|BEE]]) [[wikipedia:Jacksonville_State_University|Jacksonville State University]] (did not graduate)
|occupation = Military communications Engineer Inventor
|saga = {{saga|childhood|cn}}, {{saga|greene|cn}}, {{saga|bearstein|cn}}, {{saga|julie|cn}}, {{saga|emily|cn}}, {{saga|ivy|cn}}, {{saga|secondexile|cn}}
}}

'''Robert "Bob" Franklin Chandler Jr.'''<ref>[[Blanca E-mails#Chris likes Blanca|Email to Blanca]]</ref> (4 September [[Pre-1980#1920s|1927]] – 6 September [[2011]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20180110224343/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d155.html</ref>) was the father of [[Christian Weston Chandler]], [[Carol Chandler]] and [[David Alan Chandler]], the stepfather of [[Cole Smithey]], and husband of [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara Weston Chandler]]. Bob became a firm favorite with [[trolls]] due to Chris's antipathy towards him and for his infamous cameo when he [[Bob Walks In|walked in]] on Chris [[mass debating]].<ref>[[Bob Walks In]]</ref> His nickname, "The [[Chris and the Internet|Internet]] Lumberjack," came from this incident, wherein he promised to cut the internet down.

Despite being estranged from his other children, and despised by his stepson for abusive behavior, Bob was widely viewed as a better parent than his wife [[Barbara]] by Christorians, and – as far as Chris's own testimony can be trusted – he treated Chris better than any of his previous children. Bob had serious difficulties working with Chris's [[autism]], a disorder that he and his wife did not fully understand, but nonetheless, he had high hopes for his child in spite of the difficulties that he faced. Bob hoped to instill Chris with a variety of interests that reflected his own varied tastes, and he created The Dreaming Studio in their backyard in the hopes that they'd create things there (though, sadly, nothing of note was ever created there).

Because of this, Bob's popularity stems from being somewhat concerned with Chris's foolish behavior, and the fact that he occasionally tried to encourage a modicum of responsibility in Chris's sorry life, bringing up the fact that he devoted 29 years to raising his son. Of course, Chris was almost entirely unaffected by Bob's efforts to better him, but unlike Barb, he at least made the effort, even if his attempts were futile or harmful at worst. That being said, he also encouraged Chris to ''not'' seek employment in favor of getting [[Monthly tugboat|welfare]], even though Chris could still hold a part-time job and receive those benefits, so he's not entirely blameless for the sorry state that his son is in today, either. Not to mention that many of [[Homos|Chris's more backward]] [[Chris and race|social perspectives]] that he had in the "Classic Era" stem from his influence.

Bob was always eager to chat, and indeed much of the known information about Bob's life comes from conversations he had with trolls. It seems that Chris's passion for [[Honest Content]] did not fall too far from that tree, although Bob at least had a filter that his son lacks. Whether in person or over the phone, Bob appeared to relish the opportunity to speak with just about anyone. According to Chris, he was also a strong negotiator.<ref>[[The Place chats - ProjectSNT and Opuscon789#Browsing Kiwi Farms]]</ref>

On 6 September 2011, Bob died of complications from heart failure at Martha Jefferson Hospital ICU, surrounded by his family, his pastor and hospital staff.<ref name="BobObitarchive">http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071324/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailyprogress/obituary.aspx?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600 (archive from 11 Feb 2013)</ref> He was survived by his wife and son, who then had to become the man of the house. Chris occasionally raked in some income through commission work, though he has never looked for a serious career. Chris initially came to terms with his father's death in a conventional, healthy way, but eventually turned to a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism where he genuinely believed that his father was alive in [[Dimensions|another dimension]] as a [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]] named Robertchu.

Years later in 2021, Chris would disgrace Bob's memory by repeatedly having dubiously-consensual sex with his wife in an [[Affair with Mother|incest]]-based affair, with Chris bragging that he could get Barb off better than "Mr. C" ever could. Following this incident, both were separated from the house that he maintained, with Chris jailed, Barb temporarily hospitalized before eventually returning to the residence, and the Dreaming Studio left abandoned for good.

==Biography==
Bob was born on 4:15 PM at a medical arts building in {{w|Fort Worth, Texas}},<ref name="Prank calls">[[Prank calls]]</ref> and raised in {{w|Sylacauga, Alabama}}.<ref name="About">[[Date with Emily#Bob's work history (0:07:18–0:16:58)]]</ref> He was the only child of Robert "Bob" Franklin Chandler Sr. (8 February 1906<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103153414/robert-franklin-chandler ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328063730/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/H5S7-BZM archive])</ref> – 27 December 1977<ref>https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG5R-6M6 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328072547/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG5R-6M6 archive])</ref>), an Alabamian insurance agent, and Jean Hollomon (28 March 1906<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5947049/jean-chandler ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328094240/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/H5S7-12M archive])</ref> – 10 May 1945<ref>https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JK33-QW8 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328092829/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JK33-QW8 archive])</ref>), a Texan housewife.<ref>[[:File:Bob Chandler's birth certificate.jpg]]</ref> Bob has eight younger half-siblings on his father's side.<ref>https://www.hufffuneralhome.com/obituary/Dorothy-Chandler</ref> He also mentioned having a cousin and several [[Cherokee]] relatives in Oklahoma.<ref>[[Prank calls#Bob Calls Himself]]</ref><ref>[[Prank calls#A Redneck calls Bob Chandler]]</ref> However, a distant relative disputed his Cherokee heritage,<ref>[[Chandler Family Tree#Ancestry.com content]]</ref> and his son's [[Cherokian Clan#Reality|DNA test results]] in 2018 belied any American Indian descent. It is common for white Southerners to make dubious claims to Cherokee ancestry, for a variety of historical reasons.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201210120042/https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/cherokee-blood-why-do-so-many-americans-believe-they-have-cherokee-ancestry.html Slate article]</ref>

[[File:Robert Sr 1942.jpeg|thumb|left|200px|Bob in army uniform, 1946]]

[[File:Bob_Chandler_1945.png|thumb|right|200px|Bob Chandler (left) as a Boy Scout in 1945.]]

Bob has said that he was, "...interested in the world," around him since he was ten, and began collecting foreign [[stamps]] as a child in the [[1930s]]; his first stamp was of {{w|Michael I of Romania}}. He also developed an interest in foreign music, eventually collecting some 15,000–20,000 LPs from various genres and cultures.<ref name="PSN 37"/> About 100 or so survived the 2014 [[house fire]].<ref>[[Discord Q&A 4#Bob's record collection]]</ref>

Bob joined the [[wikipedia:Boy Scouts of America|Boy Scouts]], becoming an Eagle Scout and a Scoutmaster for over 20 years.<ref>[[Bob's Letters to Chris]]</ref>

According to Chris, Bob lost his [[virgin with rage|virginity]] at the age of 27, which would have been in 1954 or 1955.<ref>[[January 2012 Facebook Posts#February is coming up]]</ref>

===Service and education===

A 1942 yearbook from Sylacauga High School lists a "Bobby Chandler" in the freshman class and glee club, suggesting that he graduated from this school in spring 1945 before matriculating at {{w|Auburn University}} as an aeronautical engineering major that autumn.

[[File:Chris Korean War Graphic.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Bob served in Korea, and, thankfully for Chris, who believes that he was a sperm carried in one of his father's testicles during that time, he left before the Korean War broke out.]]

Bob apparently had knowledge that the Army desired,<ref>(Majoring in Aeronautical Engineering, Auburn University, Freshman p. 95 of the 1946 yearbook [https://web.archive.org/web/20170725175556/http://content.lib.auburn.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/gloms/id/4124/rec/14])</ref> was conscripted as a special draftee in 1946 and placed in the {{w|Signal Corps (United States Army)|Signal Corps}}. There, he learned how to install valve systems, switchboards, and telephones. After basic training and Signal School in {{w|Fort Monmouth}}, New Jersey, Bob was sent to Korea for a year to install infrastructure with the American occupation force. Bob recounted a reckless decision he made during his time in the Army after returning from Korea for the Christmas holiday in 1947. He hitchhiked to New York City, where he stayed for two weeks before running out of money, and then had to figure out how to get back to Fort Monmouth.. Serving until 1948, he was entitled to the WWII Victory Medal: his service number was 44107856.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201210120633/https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=11&tf=F&q=Chandler&bc=&sort=24996%2520desc&rpp=10&pg=4&rid=8565331&rlst=5136538%2C4652469%2C8564216%2C1000879%2C987835%2C4549799%2C991002%2C8565331%2C5188385%2C8565346]</ref>

Figuring he'd get "swallowed up" at a big college, Bob picked a small college, {{w|Jacksonville State Teachers College}} (now Jacksonville State University), after leaving the military. He studied pre-engineering and played French horn for the band and orchestra there for two years before returning to Auburn University, where he studied electrical engineering and graduated in 1952 with a {{w|Bachelor of Electrical Engineering}} degree.<ref>(page 269 of the 1952 yearbook)[https://web.archive.org/web/20170725175342/http://content.lib.auburn.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/gloms/id/16173/rec/20] {{w|G.I. Bill}}.</ref><ref name="About" /> As an engineer, he never learned to spell properly.<ref name = "Meet">[[Date with Emily#Meet the Parent (0:05:20–0:07:17)]]</ref> While he was at Auburn, he was part of the band once again, was a member of {{w|Wesley Foundation}}, a [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|United Methodist]] religious group; and Phi Mu Alpha, a social frat dedicated to men who are interested in music.

===Career===
[[File:Bob 25th Anniversary at General Electric.jpg|thumb|200px|Article on Bob's 25th anniversary at General Electric.]]

A 1946 military record included Bob's occupation while he was a student as "tinsmith, coppersmith, and sheet metal worker".

Bob worked for {{w|Western Electric}} as an engineer for four years, where he designed a variety of electrical subsystems, including relays, telephones and valve systems. Initially, he was working with the radar systems in test-planning automatic test equipment. With Western Electric, Bob and his co-worker filed a patent for electrical terminal block in 1955, which was published in 1959.<ref>https://patents.google.com/patent/US2884613A/en</ref> During the 1950s, he lived in [[wikipedia:Winston-Salem, North Carolina|Winston-Salem, North Carolina]], where his father and half of his half-siblings lived for the rest of their lives.

He was then offered a job by [[wikipedia:General Electric|General Electric]] in [[wikipedia:Utica, New York|Utica, New York]]. Since New York is too cold (and Yankee) for Bob, he left after three years, returning back to Winston-Salem for a few years before transferring to [[wikipedia:Roanoke, Virginia|Roanoke]] in Southwest Virginia, where he discovered his love for the mountains. In 1975, he moved to [[Richmond]], where he worked until 1980, when he was transferred to [[Charlottesville]].<ref name="About" /> He worked with both Goodrich and Goodyear.<ref name="PSN 37" />

With General Electric, Bob was responsible for at least seven patents. [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara]] claimed, in an email to [[Shigeru Miyamoto|Miyamoto]], that without Bob's influence in the computer world, the {{w|Nintendo Entertainment System|NES}} "...might not have arrived so soon,"<ref name="Barbara" /> ignoring the fact that the NES was designed and released in Japan in 1983, without influence from American electronics.

{{quote|Bob Chandler is one of the most creative engineers in the organization.|The General Manager at G.E.<ref>[[:File:Bob 25th Anniversary at General Electric.jpg]]</ref>}}

Examples of Bob's accomplishments include an automated steel mill for rolling steel for cars, a paper mill for the production of Kleenex, warehousing, railroads and tanker ships. He designed scooters, die casting machines, machines for producing plastic products<ref name="About" /> and a vehicle logging system.<ref>https://patents.google.com/patent/US3486009</ref> Both Chris and Barbara have bragged that Bob designed controls<ref>https://patents.google.com/patent/US3889849</ref> that were used in plastic water container molding machines.<ref name="About" /><ref name="Barbara">[[Miyamoto Saga#A Word from Snorlax]]</ref>

Bob retired in 1987 at the age of 59 or 60 after 31 years of service for General Electric.<ref>[[Bob's Letters to Chris#Open Letter - December 26th, 1987]]</ref> His relatively early retirement may have been provoked by health problems, as he writes in his December 1987 [[Bob's Letters to Chris|letter to Chris]] that "I know now that I, at best, haven't much time left to share myself with you".

Bob himself was proud of his, "...natural inclination for logic," although he was, "...inundated," by all his designs and whether he did well for the world. Would plastic water bottles lead to mankind's salvation or utter destruction? Only time would tell.<ref name="About" />

===World consciousness===
[[Image:0012-BobbyReading.jpg|thumb|Bob Chandler learning how to cut that Internet down.]]

{{quote|I have been very interested in the world since I was 10 years old, and that was 70 years ago and, the, uh, I'm very fond of and I really truly believe in the United Nations, but you won't find anybody else in my countryside or around here, I think, that does. (laughing) But anyway, I'm very world conscious.|[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7|Bob]]}}

Bob referred to himself as a {{w|Republican Party (United States)|Republican}}, and he did not vote for [[Barack Obama]] in {{w|United States presidential election, 2008|the 2008 presidential election}}.<ref name="Prank calls"/> That said, he had misgivings about {{w|Bob McDonnell}}, the Republican candidate in the {{w|Virginia gubernatorial election, 2009|2009 Virginia gubernatorial election}} and the ultimate winner of the election, possibly because of McDonnell's support for very strict anti-abortion laws, which made no exceptions for cases of rape or [[Chris and sex#incest|incest]]. Bob and Chris considered writing in Snoopy from ''[[Peanuts]]'' as a protest vote.<ref>[[Regina e-mails#Wikipedia: The answer to everything]]</ref>

In a potentially damaging moment on 18 [[February 2009]], Bob doubted the existence of [[Molvanîa]], [[Julie]]'s country of origin,<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.5]]</ref> but he continued talking on the grounds that his grasp of post-Soviet geography was shaky. He apparently convinced himself that Molvanîa was the same place as the real country of {{w|Moldova}}, a former Soviet republic located near the Black Sea.<ref name="PSN 37">[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> However, he rather damningly failed to question why Julie spoke perfect English with an American accent.

Besides Korea, Bob also visited Australia and England at some point in his life.<ref name = "Retired Life">[[Date with Emily#Retired life (0:16:59–0:24:22)]]</ref>

==Relationships==

===Previous family===

Bob was previously married to a woman named Patricia Harley on 29 September 1956 at a United Methodist church in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. They had two children, [[David Alan Chandler]] (b. 1961) and [[Carol Suzanne Chandler]] (b. 1964).

Bob and Patricia separated on 28 June 1976 before divorcing on 28 January 1980.<ref name="BobObit">https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/dailyprogress/name/robert-franklin-chandler-obituary?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600</ref><ref>[[:File:1980 1 28 - Bob, Patricia divorce.png]]</ref> Bob's relationships with David and Carol were strained in his later years.<ref name="Cole2">[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-2.PNG|6 March 2007 email, page 2]]</ref> Because of this, Chris did not know he had a niece via David, named [[Savannah Chandler|Savannah]], until she was 8 years old,<ref>[[CWC's Diary#January 2004]]</ref> and Bob's relationship with Carol was even more distant. According to Chris, Bob was always concerned about Carol. None of the Chandlers knew what was going on with her, and the last they had heard was that she was working for the federal government, implying that she did not show up to her father's funeral.<ref>[[:File:Savannah_chandler3.png]]</ref> David, on the other hand, did attend his father's funeral.<ref>[[:File:Savannah_chandler.png]]</ref>

===Barbara===

[[Image:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg|thumb|With [[Barbara Chandler|Barb]].]]

Bob and [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara]] met in 1979 at "Maddy's Pub" in Richmond<ref>[[April 2012 Facebook posts#Fear of the future]]</ref> (probably Matt's British Pub in Shockoe Slip, where Bob was a sing-along leader in the late 1970s).<ref name=godbear>[[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]]</ref> Barbara was there with a friend and Bob was singing.<ref name="Mumble 3.5">[[Mumble 3.5]]</ref> According to Chris, Bob claimed that Barbara did the [[How to Talk to Girls|pursuing]]: "She chased him down the hallway," though Barb has disputed this.<ref>[[The 24th Wedding Anniversary Special#Part 2]]</ref> This version of events may be why Chris figured that he could get away with being passive in terms of courtship. In contrast, [[Cole Smithey|Cole]]'s friend Chuck McGuigan, who worked at the pub as a bartender, has a vivid memory of them, "...acting out as a couple of drunken losers."<ref name="Cole2" />

They got married in 1980,<ref name="Mumble 3.5" /> only months after Bob and Patricia had divorced.<ref>[[:File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg]]</ref> Barb later told Chris that she ultimately married Bob because, "...he owned [[14 Branchland Court|a house]]."<ref>[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]</ref>

According to Chris, Barb and Bob did not have sex for at least two decades before Bob's passing. They had been sleeping in separate rooms in the years leading up to his death.<ref>[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]</ref>

===Cole===
Bob married Barbara when her son [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] was nearly 17, around the time Cole left to lead his own life.

Cole feels that Bob's bitterness ruined the relationship between himself and his mother. Cole said he would celebrate<ref name="Cole2"/> "...when that fuck Bob finally drops,"<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-3.PNG|Email from Cole to Chris]]</ref> but it is unknown if he did so. Cole said that he and Bob shared a mutual hatred,<ref name="Cole2" /> though there isn't any proof that Bob hated Cole. At the least, it is certain that Bob knew Cole didn't like him.<ref name = "Meet" />

===Chris===

{{see also|Bob's Letters to Chris}}

{{quote|Get away from the Internet! I'm cutting it down, right now.|Bob Chandler, Internet lumberjack.}}

[[File:Dreaming studio.png|thumb|Dreaming studio of Mr. C and Little C. Where dreams do come true - 1989.]]

Bob's relationship with Chris was rather complex. While Bob was considered to be a better parent than his wife [[Barb]], he was by no means the good ol' pop-pop Chandler many thought he was. While Bob at least tried to help Chris, his attempts at doing so were either futile, misguided or even harmful to Chris in the long term.

When Chris was a boy, Bob encouraged him to learn more about the world and tried sharing his interests and hobbies, including engineering, geography and [[Stamps|stamp collecting]].

When Chris was seven, Bob converted a shed in the backyard of [[14 Branchland Court]] to a workshop where he and Chris could build things together, dubbing it the "dreaming studio." Chris could not recall what they had built together when asked about it in the years following Bob's death;<ref>[[IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court]]</ref> he and Barb had been using the space for hoard storage.

Bob wished that Chris was more interested in the world. He tried to teach Chris about foreign geography such as [[Julie|Europe]] and [[PandaHalo|Australia]], but figured (correctly) that Chris doesn't understand countries and continents beyond what he's seen on [[television]], and can only associate with the places he's physically been to in Virginia.<ref name="PSN 37" />

Bob had difficulties understanding Chris's [[Autism]] and vehemently refused to get Chris the help he needed, likely out of fear driven inertia that is typical for people of his age and generation. In fact, he fought tooth and nail for years to keep Chris from getting the special education he needed to cope with the real world. It was the very reason why Bob rented a second home in a Chesterfield County so Chris couldn't attend special classes that Greene County recommended. Bob was most likely under the impression, that Chris would be thrown into a lunatic asylum, lobotomized and that Chris needs to be sheltered all his life because of it, never mind his autistic [[Savannah|granddaughter]], who lives a relatively normal life.

When Chris entered [[Manchester High]], Bob arranged for [[Gal pal|a bunch of girls]] to babysit and pretend to be friends with Chris. He gave Chris money to hand it to at least one gal pal, claiming it was for her Friendship and Attention.

Bob enjoyed collecting stamps as a boy growing up in the 1930s, and he continued to do so for several decades, with a focus on the United Nations and foreign countries,<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> building a collection of stamp albums which filled six boxes.<ref>[[I'm selling my father's stamp collection; come on down and buy some of it]]</ref> He taught Chris about his hobby, buying him a beginner's stamp album in 1992.<ref>[[eBay#Chris's stamp album]]</ref> Chris seemed to enjoy the hobby as well, since he had many pages of stamps filled in. In [[Bob's Letters to Chris|letters]] to Chris (written when Chris was a few years old), Bob gave Chris permission to pass along his various collections onto others after inheriting them. In 2017, Chris began selling pieces of the inherited stamp collection. Bob's pieces were decently priced, generally for $5 per set, though he tried to sell his own personal stamp album for $1,000.<ref>[[eBay]] - see listings for their stamp collections.</ref>

Bob's racist joke that [[Barack Obama]] would paint the White House black as soon as he became president influenced Chris to draw it in [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]].

Chris's phobia of [[Pickle|penises]] was apparently sparked from barging into his parents' room, where Bob had a habit of sleeping nude from the waist down.<ref>[[February 2020 social media posts#On seeing his father's penis]]</ref>

Chris has often complained about stressful confrontations with his father:

{{quote|well, my father is a major stressor against me; starts arguements [sic], annoys me, [[Chris and health#hygiene|rarely washes his hands after restroom breaks]] (lord knows I've tried to encourage him to wash numerous time, and rarely succeeded).|Chris, [[IRC (31 December 2008)]]}}

However, the many instances of Bob communicating with trolls show that he was generally pleasant and amicable, not at all inclined to start arguments, as Chris asserts. As seen during the lead up to the fateful encounter between [[Emily]], Chris and the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], Bob seemed to be more than happy to discuss stories with people, even those he hadn't seen or heard that much of - [[Robert Simmons V]], who met Bob during his [[Church audio|visit to Chris's church]] conversed with him extensively, later saying that he was a 'really pleasant guy.' Bob also engaged in friendly and interesting conversation with [[ThePCAssassins]] many times through [[2010]] and [[2011]], further disproving Chris's belief. The antagonism to which Chris refers was likely Bob attempting to constructively criticize Chris in order to better him, as Chris deeply resents being told what he does not want to hear.
[[File:Bob drawing Nov. '15.jpg|thumb|200px|left|A drawing of Bob by Chris, released in [[November 2015]].]]

An example of this criticism was Bob telling Chris that, since Bob had looked after Chris for 29 years despite his childish and outrageous behavior, Chris should show more gratitude towards him. Chris was completely dismissive, figuring that his father was ''obligated'' to take care of him, and seeing no reason as to why he should demonstrate any foreign concepts like "love," "support," "gratitude," and "willingness to help." Reinforcing Bob's point, Chris still ran for his father's aid when he felt threatened, as in the later parts of the [[Kacey and Liquid Call]].

Despite Bob's occasional [[Mumble 1|frustration]] over Chris's actions, he seemed to have bought into the theory that Chris is tormented by a [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|complex network of enemies spanning the entire world]], due to the success that he has earned from his own Sonichu franchise.<ref name="Church">[[Church audio]]</ref><ref name="Noble">[[Matthew Noble call]]</ref> In the [[Matthew Noble call]], it appeared that Bob was the source of Chris's tendency to bring up unrelated mishaps and debacles to make current incidents and sources of [[stress]] seem "petty" in comparison.

[[Image:0106-ChristianWDad.jpg|thumb|Bob and a younger Christian. Note Chris's "Family Bonding" shirt.]]
Once during a phone call with a troll, Bob stated that Chris was [[Chris and anger|"a hell of a lot nicer"]] and "has done a lot better than" the troll calling him.<ref name="Prank">[[Prank calls#Snake Productions Calls Bob Chandler]]</ref>

After Chris got his now obsolete [[CADD]] degree, instead of telling Chris to get to work like any other parent would, he encouraged Chris to stay home just so he could continue to get his taxpayer-funded [[tugboat]].

He never seemed to get past the notion that Chris could and had already achieved things, given that he continued to have to nursemaid Chris well into his son's late 20s. In the later parts of 2009 and throughout 2010, as chronicled in Chris's emails with [[Vivian Gee E-mails, 2009|Vivian Gee]] and [[Jackie E-mails 7|Jackie]], Bob had been forced to take an increasingly active role in controlling Chris's spending and debt, paying off Chris's credit cards with his own money in an attempt to prevent interest charges from spiraling even further out of control. By the fall of 2010, he was monitoring Chris's bank accounts on a daily basis and keeping him on a strict allowance. Upon finding out about Chris's [[Tomgirl Pictures|escapades]] in early 2011, Bob's reaction was to question Chris's sexuality, at one point even calling him a "fag", even though he indirectly contributed to it through his unbalanced approach of socializing Chris.

Chris has said specifically that he doesn't have to love his father, but has to respect him.<ref>[[Mumble 1#Transcript|Mumble Chat 1]]</ref> Confidential details collected after Bob's death, however, suggests Chris was more emotionally attached than he let on, providing rare and precious evidence that Chris doesn't take the presence of others for granted. He also got genuinely emotional while reading a letter that his father had left for him on-camera, again indicating how much he misses his father.<ref>[[CLog 09042017 - Mister C]]</ref>

In [[December 2012]], Chris uploaded the soundtrack from the [[WTJU Marathon|1990 WTJU Jazz Marathon]], in which Bob was a performer and a host. It was notable as one of the few moments where Chris publicly honored his father's memory since his passing in [[September 2011]].

Bob lives on in his son's memory. Chris noted the occasion of his father's passing by attaching angel wings to the [[Lego]] minifigure representing him,<ref>Seen at 4:24 in [[CWC Lego Manchester High School Oct 18 2013]]</ref> and displaying two photos of him in front of his TV.<ref>[[:File:Totem2ebay.jpeg]]</ref> He often sees Bob in his [[dreams]].<ref>[[March 2012 Facebook Posts#Still Feeling Lonely II|March 2012 Facebook Posts]]</ref><ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing|OkCupid Answers]]</ref>

Due to the influence of the [[Idea Guys]], Chris later expressed beliefs that Bob is half-Sonichu and is apparently still alive in the [[CWCville]] dimension. These beliefs began around December 2017 and continued even after the Idea Guys had been removed from power, as shown by the below quote from 2018's Father's Day.

{{quotebox|[[File:Father's Day 2018.jpg|200px|thumb]]

<nowiki>#HappyFathersDay</nowiki> to each and every Father in This World and in Every Single Other Dimension Too! My father is alive again! I still love him, even in his checker-patterned glory! ⚡️💙❤️⚡️<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191211070743/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/1008449921387778048</ref>}}

In the [[Incest Call]], Chris claimed he was better at [[Affair with Mother|pleasuring]] [[Barb]] than his own father. One can only imagine Bob's reaction to this news if he were still alive to bear witness to what his son has become.

Despite his best efforts to the contrary, Chris, his second chance at being a father, was Bob's greatest failure as a parent, even when factoring in his strained relationship with his other children.

===Other relationships===
In spite of his redneck background, Bob seems to have gotten along better with foreigners than with his own countrymen. His closest friend in Richmond was Reverend Chen of Korean Canaan Presbyterian Church,<ref>[[Date with Emily#Eating spaghetti and conversing (0:36:49–0:44:46)]]</ref> and he had English friends through his involvement with Matt's British Pub.<ref name=godbear></ref> He also had friends in Australia,<ref>BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7</ref> and Czechoslovakian friends in late 1970s, who were illegal immigrants escaping Czechoslovakia. Chris said Bob and Barb enjoyed conversing and drinking {{w|Slivovitz}} with them and that Bob would drive to Maryland to buy Slivovitz.<ref>[[Regina_e-mails#Random-access_humor_demonstration]]</ref>

From his father's second marriage, Bob had, "...a large number of half-brothers and sisters in... [[wikipedia:Winston-Salem, North Carolina|Salem, North Carolina]],"<ref>[[Bob's Letters to Chris]]</ref> but he does not seem to have been very close with them. Bob's stepmother's obituary confirms that eight of these half-siblings were alive as of 2015.<ref>https://www.hufffuneralhome.com/obituary/Dorothy-Chandler</ref>

[[Prank calls#Call Bobby Chandler|Contrary to popular beliefs]], he did not have friends in the Ku Klux Klan.

==Later life, poor health and death==
{{See also|Death of Bob Chandler}}
[[File:Bob playbill for musical push cart.jpg|thumb|200px|Playbill for Mr. C. and his musical pushcart.]]

Bob lived on Social Security as well as his General Electric pension.<ref name = "Retired Life" /> He never really had people to chat with at home (he would ramble to [[Trolls|total strangers]] on the phone if he could), so he sat around, listened to music, and took care of the garden inside the greenhouse.<ref name="PSN 37" /> With a 1970s stereo system set up in the greenhouse, he went to 'swing with the music' on his swing there.<ref name="Retired Life" />

Bob had two triple bypasses and four heart attacks. The two triple-bypass operations took place first in August 1980 and at last in 1992. He had {{w|Coronary artery disease}} and wore an {{w|Artificial cardiac pacemaker|artificial pacemaker}}.<ref>[[Autism papers#FAMILY_HISTORY:]]</ref><ref>[[Mumble 3]]</ref> He apparently had several vivid near-death experiences: during [[Date with Emily#Bob's health problems (0:24:23–0:25:29)|Chris's date with]] [[Emily]], Bob tells her that he has "died" several times, and Chris says that Bob, "...has seen the light, but did not actually go to it." In one prank call, Bob revealed that after surgery for cancer it was discovered that he had a fluid build-up in his legs, which is symptomatic of CHF. This rapid decline in health worried him.<ref name="Prank calls"/> He attributed his long life to the [[Cherokee]] in him. His uncles and grandfather all lived past 90.<ref name="PSN 37" /> Despite his heart troubles he continued to eat at [[Burger King]] daily.<ref>[[Prank calls#Calls to Bob and Chris]]</ref><ref>[[Trollin Train#Hey, guys (Sun 22 Aug 2010)]]</ref>

On 1 [[March 2010]], Chris [[Twitter|tweeted]] that Bob had been taken to the hospital in the early morning for "congested [sic] {{w|heart failure}}". Chris seemed confident that his father was not in for a long stay. Considering Bob's age, lifestyle, and long history of heart disease, [[Chris and death|Chris did not seem to grasp the seriousness of his heart failure]]. Bob had been the only thing keeping [[14 Branchland Court|the Chandler household]] from imploding, and as such, trolls and [[White-Knighting|white knights]] alike wished him the very best.

[[Image:Bobbed.jpg|thumb|Apart from the dying heart]]

In the month following Bob's hospitalization, Chris was remarkably quiet on the subject of his father. News about his condition was hard to come by, as information only arose [[Chris and his Ego|when Chris was inclined to complain about it online]]. Statistically, congestive heart failure is not as immediately fatal as its name implies,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201210121845/https://www.healthline.com/health/chf-life-expectancy]</ref> but Bob's age, prior heart attacks and [[Tour of Chris's House|lifestyle]] made this a very serious situation.

Chris's videos over the month of March made no mention of Bob at all. Staying true to his painfully predictable nature, Chris instead lost a [[The Wallflower|girlfriend he never had]], [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|made racial slurs and death threats towards a cartoon character]], and [[F Abstinance|raged against abstinence]]. His silence on the subject of his father was probably because of [[Naïve|genuine ignorance]] of the seriousness of his father's condition.

A poster on [[/cwc/]] contacted Chris via PSN regarding Bob. He posted a screen capture of Chris's response, saying, "He is doing much better, thank you."<ref>[[:File:Bobbetter.jpg]]</ref> Another contacted Chris via email and got a response saying, "Yes, my father is healthy and safe." Clearly he was neither, but this was at least proof that Bob hadn't joined the Whites-Only section of Heaven just yet. In late May, Chris finally made [[Some Favored Comedians|a brief mention]] in a public video that his father was "alive and well". Chris was, at least, half right.

==Appearances==

===In ''Sonichu''===
{{quote|Christian, you are not a girl! Go put your pants back on.|Bob, ''Sonichu'' #12}}

[[File:Chandlers & Sonichus.jpg|200px|thumb]]

In [[Sonichu 8#Spring Break, 2008!|"Spring Break, 2008"]], a radio announcement from [[Jamsta Sonichu]] mentions that Bob founded [[CWCville]] in 1982, presumably after Chris's birth on [[Chris's birthday|24 February]] given that Bob named the city after his newborn son. Comic Bob presumably served as mayor before Chris took the office at an unknown date. At other points, Bob was mentioned in Chris's tangents about hating men other than himself and his father.

In [[Sonichu 9#Episode 19|"Date Ed"]], there are two dolls for the class to practice talking to, girls received "Robert" dolls, while boys received "Barbara" dolls, an obvious reference/homage to Bob and Barb.

Bob made his first official appearance in [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], photoshopped into a "family photo" alongside Chris, Barb and various [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]].

[[File:Borb, Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]

[[File:Bob,Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb|right]]

In [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]], Bob appears in a set of pages that combine an autobiographical account of Chris coming out as a [[tomgirl]] to his parents, and a tribute to his late father. He is depicted as an elderly man, as the page took place in 2010 (due to Chris's [[Oedipus complex]], Barb is depicted as much more youthful). He attempts to dissuade Chris from continuing his tomgirl lifestyle, although Chris states that Bob later, "...told me he accepts and love ''[sic]'' me for who I am," shortly before his passing in 2011.

Chris concludes Bob's appearance in the book with a photo in memoriam of his life, saying that he and Barb continue to miss him every day.

[[File:Chandler family as ponies.png|200px|thumb|left|Bob, pictured at right, as ''Gallop Crush'', in a [[MLP]]-inspired drawing from [[August 2017]].]]

In August 2017, Chris unveiled a drawing of the Chandler family depicted as [[My Little Pony]] characters, saying that they will make further appearances in [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]]. The ponified Bob, known as "Gallop Crush", appears as [[Night Star]]'s father, reaffirming the self-insert nature of Chris's ponysona.

In the [[Idea Guy]]-written [[Sonichu 16|''Sonichu'' #16]], Bob's spirit crosses over into CWCville where he meets and strikes up a conversation with serial killer [[Ted Bundy]].

{{Mayors of CWCville}}

===As a toy===

<center><gallery>
File:BobAmiibo.jpg|[[Amiibo]] Bob, which Chris offered for sale on [[Etsy]] in [[November 2015]]. Oh yes.
File:ChrisFamilyEtsyC.jpg|Promo drawing
</gallery></center>

===Audio and video===

In every appearance, Bob has proven himself to be better at charming Chris's [[sweetheart]]s than Chris himself (not a difficult feat, to be fair).

* [[1990]]: Bob appeared as the DJ to the [[WTJU Marathon]].
* 26 February [[1994]]: Bob appears briefly behind Chris from 0:26-0:36 in the news report of the [[Chris in the media|Sonic Watch & Win Sweepstakes]].
*[[Christmas|25 December]] [[2004]]: Bob makes multiple physical appearences in [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004]], where he appears remarkably depressed.
* 14 [[February 2009]]: [[Bob Walks In]] to Chris [[mass debating]] in the [[kitchen]].
* 18 [[February 2009]]: In [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.5]] and [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7|3.7]], Bob rambles to [[Julie]].
* 15 [[March 2009]]: Bob [[Church Visit|talked]] to [[Robert Simmons V]] at [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]] while [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|Chris went to shit himself]].
* [[March 2009]]: Bob chaperoned Chris on his date with [[Emily]].
* 27 [[March 2009]]: Bob gets intruded by Chris in the [[Tour of Christian's House]], but is not visible.
* 27 [[August 2009]]: [[THAT IS MY HOUSE|Bob enters Chris's room]] and scolds him for making the house tour, (correctly) fearing that if someone saw the house as it was, they would be evicted (Uncut version only). This is a momentous occasion, showing some awareness on the part of the Chandlers that the filth and squalor they live in is a health hazard. This video subsequently off a wave of emails and calls to the Greene County Health Department, masterminded by trolls who hoped to realize Bob's fear of eviction, but the campaign was seemingly unsuccessful.
* [[November 2009]]: Bob and [[Barb|Snorlax]] make a brief appearance at the end of the [[Kacey and Liquid Call]].
* 15 [[August 2010]]: In his final outing on the damn Internet, Bob gets a [[Matthew Noble call|call from the GAMe PLACe]] and is informed of Chris's actions earlier in the year. He then goes on a tangent about how Chris has been tormented by everyone ever since he was banned, and then demands Michael Snyder's information. Barbara also is audible at the end of the call.
* [[Prank calls]]: Bob answered several of these. He was usually sincere when talking with prank callers, providing them with true and honest information about himself and Chris, but was occasionally pushed to trolling them back, on one occasion telling a particularly obnoxious pair of trolls that he had ties to the Ku Klux Klan.

==Gallery==
<center>
<gallery>
File:Bob1946Auburn.jpg|Bob's Auburn freshman yearbook photo, taken for the 1946 yearbook.
File:BobJax1950.PNG|Bob's 1950 Jacksonville State Teachers College sophomore yearbook photo.
File:Bobauburn1951.PNG|Bob's 1951 Auburn junior yearbook photo.
File:Bobauburn1952.PNG|Bob's Auburn senior yearbook photo.
File:WW2BobChandler(badquality).jpg|Bob's 1946 U.S. Army draftee (written in 1945).
File:Bob1946WW2DraftCardPhysicalDetail.png|Bob's 1946 Draft card on a physical detail (written in 1945).
File:BobPatMarriage.png|Bob and Patricia's newspaper engagement.
File:1956 9 25 - Bob, Patricia marriage license.png|1956 9 25 - Bob, Patricia marriage license.
File:1980 1 28 - Bob, Patricia divorce.png|1980 1 28 - Bob, Patricia divorce.
File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg|1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.
File:Bob and his parents - 1930s census.png|Bob and his parents - 1930s census.
File:Bob and his parents - 1940s census.png|Bob and his parents - 1940s census.
File:Bob1950Census.jpg|Bob in the Jacksonville State Teachers University's dormitory room - 1950s census.
File:Bob's birth certificate.png|Bob's birth certificate.
File:Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.png|Chris's family tree up to his great-great-grandparents.
File:RobertChandler1960s.png|Bob in the late 1960s/early 1970s
Image:0009-ChristopherChristmas2.jpg|Christmas at the Chandlers, taken sometime during the 1980s.
Image:0011-ChristopherBobXmas.jpg|That isn't Chris's half-senile old grandfather at [[Christmas]] time. It's Bob. He was that age when Chris was about one.
File:0012-BobbyReading.jpg
File:0033-MommasBirthday.jpg
Image:0014-YoungerFather.jpg
Image:0032-BobAtRestraunt.jpg|
File:1993family.png|Barb, Chris and Bob in [[1993]]
Image:0038-AuntCorinaAndDad.jpg|Bob with [[Aunt Corrina]].
Image:0062-NewChristian&Dad.jpg|
File:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg
File:0090-Christmas95-5.jpg
File:0091-Christmas95-6.jpg
Image:0120-BobbyBehindBars.jpg|
File:0106-ChristianWDad.jpg
File:0473-CWC18th4.jpg
File:0114-MomsBirthday97-2.jpg
File:0115-MomsBirthday97-3.jpg
Image:0230-ChristianAndDadInClass.jpg|
File:Bob&BarbMay2000.png|
File:Bob1997article1.png|Bob's short brief article from Richmond Times-Dispatch in July 1997.
File:Bob1997article2.png|Bob's short brief article from Richmond Times-Dispatch in August 1997.
Image:0626-BobbyInGarden.jpg|Bob used to enjoy gardening back in the day.
File:0472-CWC18th3.jpg
File:2002 BrickFest7.jpg|Bob with Chris at [[BrickFest]] [[2001]].
File:2002 BrickFest10.jpg
File:0612-DaddyIs75.jpg|75th birthday.
Image:CreepyBobAndChris.JPG
Image:Bob_80th.jpg
File:Robert Chandler, 19 June 2016 Facebook post photo.jpg|Last known photo.
</gallery>
</center>

==References==
{{Fan Art|chris=Bob Chandler}}
<references />

==External links==
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20201210122203/https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/141038783/robert-franklin-chandler Bob Chandler at Find a Grave]

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Speaking Akashic

2025-09-29T11:39:23Z

Cottonmather: /* Transcript */

{{quote|Everything is up for interpretation, and only those who are authentically psychic, spiritual vastly connected and metaphysical can translate it so. And once it is spoken, it is erased from the speaker's conscious memory, like an obscure [[dream]]'s details.

[[Autism#Chris on Neurotypicality|Not many neurotypical individuals can get it]].|[[September 2025 social media posts#Why Chris is just playing with toys instead of teaching us about the Merge|Chris, shortly after posting the video]].}}

'''Speaking Akashic''' is a video uploaded to Chris's [[YouTube]] channel on 24 [[September 2025]]. It consists entirely of Chris babbling in incomprehensible spiritual nonsense (for a change). According to Chris, this gibberish is actually the "[[Akashic Records|Akashic]]" language, a supposed lost language that he started to believe he could speak [[Jail Saga|when he went to jail]]. The speech could be described as a form of [[wikipedia:glossolalia|glossolalia]].

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Speaking Akashic
| video = {{#ev:youtube|ZmQPyTJ-z9c}}
| stardate = 24 [[September 2025]]
| subject = {{Other|[[Akashic]]}}, {{Reality|text}}
| style = {{Crazy|text}}
| Saga = {{Revelations|text}}
| previous = [[Punicrackde- V Supplement/Outtake Plus Unedited Ending]]
| next = [[Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Tork]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|This was me feeling fatigued, but I was really connected and spoke verbally in the moment. Any authentic, vastly connected and powerful psychic, spiritual, metaphysical individual can translate or understand it.}}

==Transcript==
[''Chris is sitting in his room. His green screen is enabled and is set to an image of the [[October 2023 social media posts#Roman Colosseum|Royal Albert Hall]]. Chris [[Creepy stare|stares]] into the camera and begins to talk, slurring his words in an exaggerated manner.'']

Okay, to anybody that gets this... At this moment, I have been without caffeine the entire day and my brain is very... very much connected with [[CWC Update 9 April 2009|the cosmos]] and everything. You look into my eye, into my pupil. As you can see, they're small. And essentially, [''Chris speaks in gibberish for about 108 seconds before briefly making a loud humming noise, then uttering one last gibberish remark before ending the video.'']

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[Punicrackde- V Supplement/Outtake Plus Unedited Ending]]|nextlink=[[Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Tork]]}}

[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2025]]

Flutter

2025-08-14T08:26:19Z

Cottonmather: /* Sightings */

{{Unreliable|type=misinfo|status=fixed}}
{{Imposter}}
{{ongoing}}
{{protip|Should you encounter Flutter in public (with or without Chris) do NOT harass her. Getting a discreet picture is fine if you're able to, but don't directly interact with her or Chris. [[Michael Hirtes|Once you]] [[Jacob Sockness|make yourself]] [[Idea Guys|a part]] [[Watchmen|of Christory]], [[DoopieDoOver|there is]] [[Fiona Cooper|no escaping]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|from it]].}}
{{Misinfo|It has not been confirmed that Flutter is dating Chris, or if she has a romantic relationship with him.|includegossip = yes}}

{{quote|She's a friend of mine, and I refer to her only as Flutter, because she likes [[Fluttershy]], okay? I met her in [[Lynchburg, VA|Lynchburg]], she got in touch with me while I was in jail, and we managed to meet, we managed to bond and connect with each other as friends. And she is literally thirty years old, despite the way - despite her physicality.|Chris's description of Flutter<ref name=setting>[[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
| title = Flutter
| name = Unknown
| image = CWC Flutter Sighting by BlockedByDaylight 1.mp400002.png
| aliases = Flutter Egg Meryl Food Lion Lady Cabbage Patch Kid 
| knownfor = {{•}} Appearing side-by-side with Chris in numerous post-jail sightings.
| saga = {{saga|jail|cn}}, '''[[Template:ThirdExile|Third Exile]]''', '''[[Template:RevelationsSaga|Revelations]]'''
}}

'''Flutter''' (born 1992 or 1993) is the nickname [[Chris]] gave to a [[gal-pal|female friend]] of his. Flutter reached out to Chris at some point during his time in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]]. Sometime after Chris was released in [[March 2023]], he met up with her in the city of {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia}}, and they began hanging out together.<ref name=setting></ref> Chris has referred to her simply as a friend, suggesting that their relationship is not romantic, although he does not explicitly deny having romantic feelings for her either. Chris also claims that she is thirty years old (as of 17 [[October 2023]]), despite her [[Pedofork|childlike appearance]]. The nickname "Flutter" comes from her fondness for the ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic]]'' character Fluttershy.

After Chris's release from jail, he was frequently [[Post-jail sightings|photographed]] by people who managed to spot him in public. In [[September 2023]], he was spotted with Flutter for the first time. On the 17th, she was spotted allegedly [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#CVS|making out with Chris at a CVS]], causing many people to believe she was his girlfriend. [[Otaku King]] also claimed that the two of them were a couple. In [[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021]], however, Chris simply refers to her as a friend. Some observers have speculated that Flutter may be Finnish or of Finnish descent, noting that Chris began studying Finnish intensively on [[Duolingo]] since [[October 2023]] for no apparent reason.<ref>[[:File:Duolingo stats 23Nov2023 2.png]]</ref> This theory was bolstered by sightings of Chris and Flutter in [[Finland]]. A Reddit user who saw Flutter claims that she did not have an accent.<ref name=isabellas>[[Post-jail sightings (2023)#Isabella's Italian Trattoria Restaurant]]</ref> Another Redditor claims that she spoke in a fake anime girl voice.<ref name=animegirl>[[Sightings (2024)#Walmart Part II (July)]]</ref>

Flutter's identity and motives remain one of the more mysterious aspects of modern Christory. With both Chris and Flutter herself seemingly unwilling to divulge any information about her, as well as a lack of any known social media presence, most discussion regarding her has been purely speculative. This has allowed for the proliferation of numerous theories and rumors. Theories ranged from things such as Flutter being underage due to her youthful and diminutive appearance, being a recruit from [[Praetor]] meant to keep Chris in check, being an obscure Finnish lolcow mostly unknown to Chris's primarily North American follower base, to even the possibility of being impregnated by Chris. Time will tell as to whether or not any of these questions end up being answered, but for now, Chris seems content maintaining his silence on the matter.

==Sightings==
{{Main|Sightings (2023)|Sightings (2024)|Sightings (2025)}}
Flutter is most well-known for appearing many times with Chris following his release from jail, which is particularly notable due to his substantially decreased online prescence.

*On 4 [[September 2023]], Chris was spotted talking with Flutter at a Coinstar machine at a Food Lion supermarket. This was the first time she was sighted, and earned her the nickname "Food Lion Lady."<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Food_Lion]]</ref>

*On 9 September 2023, a [[ween]] stalked Chris in his car. Reportedly, Flutter was in the car with Chris, and the ween remarked that she looked like a child.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Sheetz/On_the_road_Part_II]]</ref>

*On 16 September 2023, she was spotted with Chris at [[Walmart]]. This was the first clear view of her face.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Walmart_(September)]]</ref>

*On 17 September 2023, Chris was allegedly sighted hugging, touching, and ''kissing'' Flutter at a CVS.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#CVS]]</ref>

*On the 20th, the sighter posted two ''incredibly'' blurry pictures of Chris hugging and kissing her. While Chris is easy to see, Flutter is incredibly hard to see. The sighter also made multiple comments about her.

:{{quotebox|[Chris] was all over that woman. Just kept touching her and had her hand on the back almost the whole time. She doesn’t look young.}}
:{{quotebox|She 100 percent looked uncomfortable.}}
:{{quotebox|She seemed uncomfortable and kept her head down mostly. I can’t say whether she was just uncomfortable or if she was low functioning.}}
:{{quotebox|Seemed like he was kind of leading the shopping trip. He also was very close to her at all times. Co-Worker asked if they needed help Chris made sure to step so that he was :between my Co-Worker and the girl.}}
:{{quotebox|She paid.}}

:These comments have yet to be confirmed as fact.

*On 19 September 2023, Chris supposedly walked into a game store with her.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Undisclosed_parking_lot]]</ref>

*On 1 [[October 2023]], Chris was spotted showing something on his device to her at {{w|River Ridge Mall}}. This was the clearest view of her face yet [[Sightings (2025)#Pet & Aquatic Warehouse|until another photoshoot on Valentine's Day of 2025]].<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#River_Ridge_Mall]]</ref>

*On 3 October 2023, Flutter was seen waiting in a car while Chris was shopping at Game Junkies.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Game_Junkies]]</ref>

*On 20 [[December 2023]], around 7:30 PM, a video of her was taken at the Richmond International Airport. Her origin flight was from the Charlotte Douglas International Airport, but the starting destination is unknown.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Richmond_International_Airport]]</ref> Later that day, she was also spotted at a Sheetz in Henrico, VA, and afterwards driven away by Chris.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Sheetz_(December)]]</ref>

*On 21 December 2023, Flutter and Chris were spotted at [[Bella|Isabella]]'s Italian Trattoria Restaurant in Lynchburg. Reddit user JacksonStarship speculated that Flutter paid for the meal, also noting that Chris "ate [[SpaghettiRoutine|spaghetti]] like a toddler." The user also reported that Chris hand-fed dessert to Flutter. JacksonStarship stated that Flutter did not appear mentally handicapped, nor did she appear an exceptionally young age. On several occasions she would keep Chris in check, stopping him from escalating situations. They were last seen walking away together in the parking lot.<ref name=isabellas></ref>

*On 4 [[January 2024]], Chris and Flutter were photographed at Ultimate Comics in Cary, North Carolina while picking up tickets for the [[Animate! Raleigh]] convention.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Cary, North Carolina]]</ref> They were seen in attendance together on 5 January 2024, with Flutter wearing a face mask. On 6 January 2024, Chris and Flutter were seen outside of the Animate! convention, reportedly having been kicked out.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Raleigh Convention Center]]</ref>

*On 23 [[March 2024]], Chris was spotted with Flutter at TJ Maxx in Lynchburg, VA, disproving rumors about her staying away from him due to the aftermath of Animate! Raleigh.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#TJ Maxx]]</ref>

:Chris also had plans to go to [[BABSCon]] 2024 with her, but his two tickets were refunded due to the event staff being aware of his status on the internet. This is hinted at in his reply to BABSCon's email:<ref>[[BABSCon E-mails]]</ref>
{{quotebox|I was looking for an enjoyable, peaceful weekend with my friend that would have been more than very good and beneficial. But no, you dare deny us this simple pleasure as Pegasisters of the Brony Community.}}

*On 4 [[April 2024]], Chris and Flutter were both spotted at the Arabia Shopping Centre in Helsinki, [[Finland]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Arabia Shopping Centre, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

*On 30 [[April 2024]], Chris and Flutter were unwittingly recorded in the background of a YouTube video, holding hands while walking together at {{w|Linnanmäki|Linnanmäki}} in Helsinki, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Linnanmäki, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

*On 29 [[June 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted at River Ridge Mall, where they ate at Chick-fil-A and went to see a movie.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (June)]]</ref> A few days later, on 5 [[July 2024|July]], they were seen together at a Walmart in Lynchburg.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Walmart (July)]]</ref> A week later, they were again seen shopping in Walmart, and the Reddit user watching them claimed that Flutter was speaking in a fake anime girl voice and that Chris was telling her how to bag food properly.<ref name=animegirl></ref> A few days later on July 16, they were spotted on the road driving towards Charlottesville, with Flutter sitting in the backseat.<ref>[[Sightings_(2024)#On_the_road]]</ref>

*On 13 [[August 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted at River Ridge Mall and about a week later, they were spotted again, this time in Roanoke at {{w|Valley View Mall (Virginia)|Valley View Mall}}. The observers photographed them several times and even secretly recorded a video of them approaching and talking to Chris, with Flutter being behind Chris being silent and leaves without her face being shown on the video. However, two days later, one of the observers posted another photo of them from the same sighting, which marked the first time Flutter's face had been photographed since [[October 2023]].

*On 22 [[August 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted and photographed at a Goodwill in Lynchburg.<ref>[[Sightings_(2024)#Goodwill]]</ref>

*On 28 [[September 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted walking in the {{w|Mall of Tripla|Mall of Tripla}} in Helsinki, [[Finland]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref> The observer recorded a brief clip of them walking together.

*On 17 [[December 2024]], Chris and Flutter were seen at Redi in Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings_(2024)#Redi,_Kalasatama,_Helsinki,_Finland]]</ref>

*On 14 [[February 2025]], Chris and Flutter were spotted browsing in a pet store.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Pet & Aquatic Warehouse]]</ref>

*On 17 [[April 2025]], Chris and Flutter were spotted eating at Arnold's in Helsinki, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Arnold's,_Helsinki,_Finland]]</ref>

*On 23 [[July 2025]], Chris and Flutter were seen shopping at Rauma International Market in Finland.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Rauma_International_Market,_Rauma,_Finland]]</ref>

*On 13 [[August 2025]], Chris and Flutter were spotted shopping at Walmart. This marked the first time a high-quality image of her face had ever been captured.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Walmart_(August)]]</ref>

==Wariness==
Since late [[December 2023]], when Flutter returned to the spotlight, many people have joked about the inability of [[ween]]s to take a good photo of her. This has also led to speculation that she was trying to stay out of the spotlight of said weens to avoid harassment, especially when observers noted her self-awareness at some events that she went to with Chris.

The first strong signals of this came to light on [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Richmond International Airport|December 20]], where she was noted by an observer to wear a face mask in public:
{{quoteboxgreen|yes I was on her flight, I noticed her almost immediately but she wore a mask the whole time, It was subconscious so I didn't think much of it other than "huh she looks familiar," but while she was leaving the airport chris was waiting for her he embraced her and said her name out loud, I was on the phone and couldn't make out what he said.}}
When the said person approached them later, Chris was against him taking pictures of themselves. The same behavior repeated [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Isabella's_Italian_Trattoria_Restaurant|a day later]]:
{{quoteboxpurple|As they walked out Chris commented to a passing family “a family night, that’s nice” or something like that, and Egg had to pull him through the door. I asked Chris for a photo as he was walking out and he got PISSED. But I still shook Chris’ hand. Wish I could’ve gotten better photos but it was kind of a formal dinner.}}
He has also stated Flutter didn't seem to be mentally handicapped and took on a near [[Barbara Chandler|motherly role]] during the visit.
{{quoteboxpurple|Egg didn’t say a word to me, I passed their table at 2 points. She wasn’t noticeably mentally handicapped and seemed to be keeping Chris in check to some degree}}
During [[Animate! Raleigh]], Flutter was seen with all of her face covered up by a face mask, sunglasses and her hair. Observers also noted her obsessive self-awareness at the event.
{{quoteboxblue|I am legit annoyed that you people cannot be bothered to get one clear photo or video. How hard can it be?}}
{{quoteboxorange|Genuinely this has been more difficult than you’d imagine. Flutter appears to be quite vigilant and unwilling (obviously) to appear in anything, especially candids. With her proximity to Chris it is not surprising there is a lack of high def photos}}

{{quoteboxorange|i was legitimately right beside them on an escalator yesterday without realizing and genuinely she is so hard to see. she has such self awareness compared to chris it is insane}}

==Chris's Silence==
{{quote|That remains absolutely with no comment!|Chris, after being asked about Flutter and his Finland visits<ref>[[Waltah White Calls#Walt's call with cwc! 5/17/25]]</ref>}}

When he first spoke about her [[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021|shortly after returning to the Internet]], Chris only shared her nickname and the fact that she had reached out to him while he was [[Jail Saga|incarcerated]], and that they had met up in [[Lynchburg]] following his release. He did slip up when meeting her at Richmond International Airport in 2023, but fortunately for her, Chris's shouting of her name is indistinct [[Post-jail sightings (2023)#Richmond International Airport|in the audio recording]] that was taken by an observer.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Richmond_International_Airport]]</ref>

In a [[May 2025]] [[Walt's call with cwc! 2/17/25|call with a ween]], Chris was asked directly about Flutter and proceded to [[List of Chris's lies|lie]] about everything possibly related to her, including denying that he ever went to [[Finland]] with her or was learning Finnish on [[Duolingo]]. Instead he claimed Flutter lives in Philadelphia and is going to [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|college]] there, but was both unwilling and unable to provide any details when pressed further. He refused to give up her real name or even the first letter, even after being offered bribes of $50, $150 and purchases from his [[OfficialCWCmart|Etsy store]], stating simply, "Her name shall not be revealed."<ref>[[Walt's call with cwc! 2/17/25#Transcript]]</ref>

==Gallery==
===Sightings===
Below is a gallery of select photoshoots of Flutter with Chris.
<center>
<gallery>
File:Foodlionflutter.png|At Food Lion.
File:Walmartflutter.png|At Walmart.
File:Flutter.png|At River Ridge Mall.
File:CaryNC4Jan2024.jpeg|[[Sightings (2024)#Cary,North Carolina|Cary, NC]].
File:Photos-from-earlier-today-v0-zrbilxihwqac1.jpg|[[Animate! Raleigh]].
File:Chris chan & flutter with security raleigh.jpeg|With the Raleigh convention security guards.
File:Chris-chan-kicked-out-of-animate-raleigh-v0-alm3dykgevac1 cropped.jpg|Denied entry into [[Animate! Raleigh]].
File:ChrisFlutterTJMaxx23March.png|[[Sightings (2024)#TJ Maxx|TJ Maxx in Lynchburg]].
File:Chris and Flutter at Linnanmäki 30 April 2024 (cropped screencap).jpg|[[Sightings (2024)#Linnanmäki, Helsinki, Finland|At Linnanmäki in Helsinki, Finland]].
File:Chris&FlutterRidgeRiverMallJune2024.jpeg|[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (June)|At River Ridge Mall]].
File:Walmart 5Jul2024 2 (cropped).jpg|In parking lot at Walmart.
File:Walmart 5Jul2024 3 (cropped).png|In line at Walmart.
File:Walmart 12Jul2024 1 (cropped).jpg|At Walmart meat section.
File:CWC Flutter 13Aug2024 2.jpg|[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|At River Ridge Mall]].
File:Cwcflutterface-aug2024.jpg|At Valley View Mall.
File:22 August 2024 Chris and Flutter at Goodwill2.png|At Goodwill.
File:Chris and Flutter at Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland.mov00001.png|At Mall of Tripla in Helsinki, Finland.
File:14 February 2025 Chris and Flutter in pet store1.jpg|At Pet & Aquatic Warehouse.
File:Chris flutter rauma 2.jpg|[[Sightings (2025)#Rauma International Market, Rauma, Finland|Wearing matching outfits with Chris in Rauma, Finland]].
File:CWC Flutter Sighting by BlockedByDaylight 1.mp400001.png|Walmart, [[August 2025]]<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Walmart Sighting, August 2025]]</ref>
</gallery>
</center>

===Other===
<center>
<gallery>
File:FlutterMinecraftSkin.jpg|A [[Minecraft]] skin of Flutter seen in [[June_2024_livestreams#Christ_Chan_Live_Stream:_OG_Cwcville_(Cwcville)-60_Minecraft|a livestream]].
</gallery>
</center>

==See Also==
*[[The Wallflower]] - A prior gal-pal that Chris attempted to keep under wraps.

{{References}}

{{Articleofthenow}}
[[Category:Gal pals]]
{{JailSaga}}
{{ThirdExile}}
{{RevelationsSaga}}
{{Love Quest}}
{{People}}

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Talk:Main Page

2025-06-02T04:53:27Z

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== "The encyclopedia about" line ==

Currently it reads "The encyclopedia about Christian Weston Chandler." Should we change that to read "Chris Chan" or "Christine Weston Chandler" instead? Christian hasn't been his name for years. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:27, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
:My personal preference is the latter (Christine). Alternatively: "The encyclopedia about the [[Chris|author]] of ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]''". --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 04:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
::I say, focus on "Chris-Chan". Officially CWCki policy is to stick with [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE|Chris's TRUE and ORIGINAL gender]], so "Christine" isn't typically used in spite of the name-change legally happening. Plus, Chris-Chan is the name that garnered the most attention anyways. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 10:18, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
:"Chris Chan" would be convenient since the [[:File:CWCiki Introduction.jpg]] uses Christian, and "Chris Chan" has been a nickname for both "Christian" and "Christine". Otherwise we would need a new CWCki Intro image with "Christine" to avoid confusion. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:58, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
::Something like this? — "The encyclopedia about [[Chris-Chan]], the author of ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]''". --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 20:37, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
:::Okay with me. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:56, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
::Chris has been fine with being referred to as Chris post-namechange to Christine, so I think if we were to change it, Chris-Chan/Chris Chan would be the best way to do it. Most people refer to him as Chris as opposed to Christian or Christine anyway. --[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:23, 24 April 2021 (UTC)
:Someone on the CWCki Discord suggested linking to [[Chris Chan]] as a way to link to his different names. Thoughts? Also, should it be written with or without the hyphen? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:56, 25 April 2021 (UTC)
::I agree with Hurtful here, chris chan is a much more well known name and is normally the first thing we think of when we talk about chris. But i also think we should add a 'creator of sonichu' to the tagline too, similar to what little owl thought of. [[User:Mon1ka|Mon1ka]] ([[User talk:Mon1ka|talk]]) 4:01am, 26th of april 2021 (utc)
While we're at it, should we change the disclaimer at the bottom? It seems like a set-up for a punchline about Chris's inability to understand what does and does not qualify as "parody", since the subject of the wiki is a real person. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 06:25, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
:The editor who added the parody line explained his reasoning [http://cwcki.club/index.php?threads/the-cwcki.1979/#post-55098 in a CWCki Club post]. I think he has a point. Much of the narrative about Chris is framed by trolls who manipulated him. Chris Chan the Internet personality is basically a parody of Chris Chandler the person. Also many CWCki pages, especially earlier ones, tend to be heavy on the mockery. What would you have in mind to change the dislaimer to? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:57, 28 April 2021 (UTC)

== Future of coping and begging counters ==

In light of the incest shit and Chris' eviction, do you think we still need the begging and coping counters? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 05:20, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
:I think that they should probably be taken down at some point and the page should be reorganized, but not until Chris has been detained. We are approaching the end of Christory as it once was, but we're still not there just yet. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 11:07, 1 August 2021 (UTC)
::I've gone ahead and removed them now he's actually in custody. [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 03:00, 2 August 2021 (UTC)

== Reorganization ==

After taking down the counters, the page looks weirdly asymmetrical. Could we compensate for this by making each batch of DYK entries longer, or move the CWCki news section to the other side while letting Da Update be longer instead? [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 08:51, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
:I think we should make the DYK batches longer, as making Da Update longer would defeat the purpose of it being a way to see all '''recent''' happenings related to CWC. Also, since I might as well bring it up here, should we add some type of counter related to Chris being arrested? Or would that be too redundant? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 11:23, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
::Might be worth putting up a new counter for how many days Chris has been in jail, considering he's being held without bond and he got a continence until at least November. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 18:38, 16 September 2021 (UTC)

==Re-add the discord link==

The discord link was disabled a little while ago, but the discord is now accepting new members again so the link being dead is not necessary, so I think it should be re-added. [[User:Good username|Good username]] ([[User talk:Good username|talk]]) 20:50, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
*Nvm I just figured out that i can fix it. [[User:Good username|Good username]] ([[User talk:Good username|talk]]) 21:49, 21 September 2021 (UTC)

==Wonky formatting==

Something is off with the formatting of the Main Page, I feel this needs to fixed as soon as possible. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 23:01, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:I think [[User:Good username|Good username]]'s edits to the prison counter messed something up. I'm gonna revert everything there. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 23:07, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
:Yep, that fixed it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 23:08, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

==The formatting of the front page is off again==

With the addition of more counters the front page is off sided once more. Does anyone have any ideas on a good way to fill the space on the right? We could always just get rid of a couple of lines on [[template:DYK|Did You Know]]. Ideas are welcome. [[User:Good username|Good username]] ([[User talk:Good username|talk]]) 17:59, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:I wouldn't mind reducing the number of DYK entries per block (maybe down to 15, or 10 if that's necessary) in favor of having more entries in the randomizer. I tried fixing the formatting on the thing but I couldn't figure it out, and sometimes the template is blank. It may be worth merging the counters into one combined template, though – that might fix some of the formatting problems. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 20:51, 1 November 2021 (UTC)
:I have proceeded to redistribute the DYK entries to ten entries per blocks, and merge {{tl|DYK}} and {{tl|Did you know}} back together since the latter merely called the former with a parser function. For reference, Wikipedia has eight entries. I may not be able to delete {{tl|DYK}} due to Chris having edited the template back in 2010. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 22:26, 1 November 2021 (UTC)

== Jail templates ==

One of the jail templates should mention that Chris intends to post the info of people who contact him. Maybe in the Incarceration Counter? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:00, 26 February 2022 (UTC)

== Motherfucker ==

The "encyclopedia about" line could use an update. How about "The premier encyclopedia on [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris Chan]], the author of ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' and [[Affair with Mother|literal motherfucker]]."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:49, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

:I mean, more and more people are flocking to this website from that for one thing, and this site is pretty much the most comprehensive thing about Chris there is. Even Geno's Documentary series is just a CliffNote version of the site. So I say we update it to that. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:07, 1 March 2022 (UTC)

==Blanked pages==

Whats the deal with all the blanked pages? Is anyone else getting that when logged out? [[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 05:37, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

:Marvin adjusted some settings. Are things loading better now? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:50, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

::Yes they are. I think it's safe to shut off the loading news template. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 16:56, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

:::Looks like it's happening again... is this an attack or just "normal" wiki issues? --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 17:18, 29 October 2022 (EDT)

== CopperCab ==

Not sure where to put this, but CopperCab privated the second part of his interview with Chris, so if anyone has a copy put it in there.

== Downtime ==

Should we put a note somewhere on the Main Page on the CWCki's recent downtime and its return? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:59, 22 October 2022 (EDT)

* Yeah, I think that'd be ideal. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:17, 22 October 2022 (EDT)

* Where would be a good place? Thinking maybe the CWCki News template or writing it directly into Main Page between the Welcome and New? boxes. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:59, 22 October 2022 (EDT)

**I was thinking just editing the downtime template for that. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 07:30, 22 October 2022 (EDT)

**Sounds good. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:47, 22 October 2022 (EDT)

== Consolidate Begging/Jesus Christ Counter ==

Seeing as the "Days since last begged for cash" and the "days since last claiming to be jesus" counters are identical, I think it might make sense to consolidate them. I think it would be more meaningful to simply have a counter for how many days its been since there has been any sighting/communication from Chris considering its pushing 100 days and isn't showing any signs of stopping.[[User:Penis|Penis]] ([[User talk:Penis|talk]]) 17:25, 25 October 2022 (EDT)
:We might as well replace the counter with a days since we've last heard from Chris or just have the Jesus counter; the separate counters served their purpose back when Chris was regularly writing letters and idea of Chris calming to be Jesus was still new but I agree it's not really needed anymore. Also don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 23:53, 24 October 2022 (EDT)
:Agree. Maybe we could go about it by removing both counters from Main Page and modifying the Incarceration one. What was the date of last communication, something from [[Praetor Jail Art]]? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:20, 25 October 2022 (EDT)
:I just had a thought. Perhaps a count down to the next known court appearance would add value to the front page?[[User:Penis|Penis]] ([[User talk:Penis|talk]]) 10:30, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

== Banner for more editors ==

Been thinking about adding a template at the top of Main Page basically saying CWCki could use more editors since there's a backlog of info to add and info is continuously being released which needs to be added into articles. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:15, 21 May 2023 (EDT)

== Documentaries Section ==

Turkey Tom's Chris Chan Documentary has been out for a few weeks now and its pretty good. I think its worthy of being added to the documentaries in the "New? Start Here!" section. However, I can also see that there is limited space on that tab. Perhaps we should have a dedicated article for Chris Chan documentaries and link that? There's so many to choose from, and more get created every year at this point. [[User:Penis|Penis]] ([[User talk:Penis|talk]]) 17:33, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

:I don't think a page on his video is warranted, because Chris hasn't reacted to it. As for a documentaries article, maybe the [[Christubers]] or [[Chris in the media (podcasts and vlogs)]] pages could be modified to mention those? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:15, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

== Readding Improvement template to Main Page ==

Since there are a lot of active projects, I thought the [[:Template:Improvement‎‎]] could be brought back and added to the main page again. Maybe replacing Quote of the Now since not much is happening with Chris currently (Quote can be added back in if something does happen). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:31, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

== Putting Current events into CWCki news? ==

How would i be able to turn the Current events icon into a template, so whenever there's a new current even the latest one gets put under the empty space in the Cwcki news box? Below the text "Check out the Official CWCki Server Discord, and the section about Chris at the CWCki Club forums, and the Chris Chan subreddit, full of lively and often times thoughtful discussions on Chris and Sonichu. (Use the wiki talk pages or the CWCki-related channels in the Discord for article-related discussions)." to be specific - Cwconthedraw, 5:45 26 August 2023

== "Any names, or persons, discussed in this wiki, that may seem similar to anyone in real life, are purely coincidental, or otherwise parodic." ==

Should we still have this on the front page?

Those who don't know that this is a parody of one of CWC's many disclaimers on their fan comics might think it means that the site itself is a parody or that nothing on the site may be true.

CWCki writing is not quiiite as dramatized as it was yesterday – people don't act like the famous troll's real name is "Clyde Cash", born on the bicentennial, any longer.

This quote will give people the wrong idea about CWC and their life. [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 06:00, 22 December 2024 (EST)

:It's not a reference to the comic, the editor who put it in [https://web.archive.org/web/20220106034714/http://cwcki.club/index.php?threads/the-cwcki.1979/#post-55098 said here] that he was trying to express that this site should be looked at as a joke rather than as a serious subject matter on something like Wikipedia. What are your thoughts on his reasoning? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:48, 22 December 2024 (EST)

== Jason Kendrick Howell Should Have His Own Icon ==

Currently the icon used for Jason Kendrick Howell is the ED Saga icon. I think the icon should depict Jason Kendrick Howell from the comics with the eyepatch and blue cloak. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 19:06, 29 March 2025 (EDT)
:The current one we have is more of a placeholder, and I agree to this. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:07, 29 March 2025 (EDT)
:I was actually just thinking Chris's comic depiction of him as a one-eyed wizard in a blue cloak might be a good fit. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 21:20, 29 March 2025 (EDT)

== Geno Samuel in Important People ==

With the recent debacle regarding [[Sonichu: The Animated Series (Geno Samuel)|Sonichu: The Animated Series]], I think it might be time to again discuss adding [[Geno Samuel]] to the list of Important People. At this point, Chris has had significant interactions with him several times over multiple years - very different from the situation years ago when Geno was mostly hands-off. If anyone has arguments for or against his inclusion, feel free to share them. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:53, 2 June 2025 (EDT)

Finland

2025-04-18T01:02:07Z

Cottonmather: /* Second Trip (Fall 2024) */

[[File:Chris Finland.jpeg|thumb|200px|Chris in Helsinki, Finland shopping at Normal]]

'''Finland''' (Finnish: ''Suomi'') is a northern European country which borders [[Russia]], {{w|Norway}} and [[PewDiePie|Sweden]]. [[Chris]] has traveled to the country on at least four occasions since [[2024]], making it the only place outside the [[United States]] which he is known to have visited (not counting [[Dimensions|interdimensional]] [[CWCville|excursions]]). On all trips he was spotted with [[Flutter]] at shopping centers in the capital city of {{w|Helsinki}}.

==Background==
Chris's first encounter with Finland was in [[Mailbag 13]], where a fan wrote in under the name "Erik Pikkuvikainen" (a parody of Finnish school shooter [[Wikipedia:Jokela school shooting|Pekka-Eric Auvinen]].)

In [[October 2023]], Chris joined the language-learning app [[Duolingo]], where he focused heavily on learning Finnish.

Chris is seemingly eager to mention his using [[Duolingo]],<ref>[[December_2023_social_media_posts#Duolingo]]</ref><ref>[[January_2024_social_media_posts#Duolingo_100-day_streak]]</ref><ref>[[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan]]</ref> but does not like to specify which language he is learning.<ref>[[January 2024 social media posts#Evading question]]</ref> In a [[YouTube]] livestream on 17 [[February 2024]], when asked if he was learning Finnish currently and why, Chris replied with "I don't know what you're talking about. What're you talking about, guy?"<ref>[[February 2024 livestreams#Part 2]]</ref>

Many observers have theorized that Flutter may be Finnish or Finnish-American; she and Chris were first seen in public together in September 2023, a month before Chris began studying Finnish on Duolingo. Additionally, Flutter was observed in [[December 2023]] flying from {{w|Charlotte Douglas International Airport}} to {{w|Richmond International Airport}}, where she was picked up by Chris. Charlotte Douglas is a major airline hub with service to Helsinki, which lends credence to the hypothesis that she lives in Finland when not visiting Chris.

To date, Chris has remained secretive about his interest in Finland and Finnish, although he did film himself singing two songs in Finnish ([[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan#Silakka Apajalla|Silakka Apajalla]] and [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan#Sakkijarven Polkka|Sakkijarven Polkka]]) as part of his [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan]] series. While the series features Chris attempting to sing songs in multiple foreign languages, most of which he has never studied in Duolingo, Finnish is notably the only language he has attempted more than once.

==First Trip (Spring 2024)==
In [[April 2024]], Chris and [[Flutter]] were spotted and briefly filmed shopping at Kauppakeskus Arabia (AKA Arabia Shopping Centre) in Helsinki, although this sighting was not made public until [[October 2024]] as the individual who spotted them was not certain that it was them. The individual stated that Chris was speaking English in the store rather than Finnish.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Arabia Shopping Centre, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

A photo taken in [[April 2024]] of Chris and Flutter at the Mall of Tripla in Helsinki would be made public in [[November 2024]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

Chris was subsequently spotted at {{w|Dallas Fort Worth International Airport}} on 24 [[May 2024]],<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Dallas Airport]]</ref> wearing the same coat. Dallas Fort Worth is another major airline hub with direct flights to Helsinki, so it is likely that Chris had a layover there on his way back to Virginia.

==Second Trip (Fall 2024)==
On 27 [[September 2024]], Chris was seen in Helsinki by a store employee who leaked a cropped still from the security camera to a co-worker who then posted it to the Internet.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Normal, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref> Locals believe the sighting was at the {{w|Mall of Tripla}}, in a store called [[Irony|Normal]].<ref>https://ylilauta.org/satunnainen/27nxqc ([https://archive.fo/sOdD5 archive])</ref> The following day, Chris and Flutter were spotted walking at the Mall of Tripla, by an observer who took a brief video clip.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland (September)]]</ref> In both sightings, Chris is wearing a bright blue Superdry sweatshirt with the hood up.

Chris was seen back in the United States on 1 [[November 2024]] when he was spotted at a [[Wendy's]] in [[Lynchburg]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Wendy's]]</ref>

==Third Trip (Winter 2024)==
On 17 [[December 2024]], Chris and Flutter were seen at {{w|Redi (shopping centre)|Redi}} in {{w|Kalasatama}}, {{w|Helsinki}}, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Redi, Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

Chris was not seen again after this (in any country) until 14 [[February 2025]], when he was spotted at a pet shop in Lynchburg.

==Fourth Trip (Spring 2025)==
On the night of 29 [[March 2025]], Chris would be confirmed in the US for the last time as he had livestreamed from his home.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Playthrough]]</ref> On 4 [[April 2025]], a user on Kiwi Farms posted a photograph and details about spotting Chris on Wednesday, 2 April.<ref>[[Finland#Pasila, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref> He was seen at the Mall of Tripla. On 17 April, Chris and Flutter were photographed eating at coffee shop Arnold's.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Arnold's, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:Chris and Flutter in Finland, April 2024.mp400001.png|Chris and [[Flutter]] in Finland at the Arabia Shopping Centre during [[April 2024]]
File:Chris and Flutter in Finland April 2024 Zenzei sighting (cropped).jpg|Chris and Flutter after shopping at Normal, [[April 2024]]
File:Chris Finland.jpeg|Chris shopping at Normal in Helsinki, Finland, [[September 2024]]
File:Chris and Flutter at Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland.mov00001.png|Chris and Flutter at the Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, [[September 2024]]
File:Chris and Flutter in Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland 17 December 2024.jpg|Chris and Flutter at Redi, Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland, [[December 2024]]
</gallery></center>

==See also==
*[[Flutter]]
*[[Duolingo]]
*[[Sightings (2024)]]
*[[Molvanîa]]

{{References}}

{{Articleofthenow}}
{{Places}}
[[Category:Places]]

Finland

2025-04-18T00:59:32Z

Cottonmather:

[[File:Chris Finland.jpeg|thumb|200px|Chris in Helsinki, Finland shopping at Normal]]

'''Finland''' (Finnish: ''Suomi'') is a northern European country which borders [[Russia]], {{w|Norway}} and [[PewDiePie|Sweden]]. [[Chris]] has traveled to the country on at least four occasions since [[2024]], making it the only place outside the [[United States]] which he is known to have visited (not counting [[Dimensions|interdimensional]] [[CWCville|excursions]]). On all trips he was spotted with [[Flutter]] at shopping centers in the capital city of {{w|Helsinki}}.

==Background==
Chris's first encounter with Finland was in [[Mailbag 13]], where a fan wrote in under the name "Erik Pikkuvikainen" (a parody of Finnish school shooter [[Wikipedia:Jokela school shooting|Pekka-Eric Auvinen]].)

In [[October 2023]], Chris joined the language-learning app [[Duolingo]], where he focused heavily on learning Finnish.

Chris is seemingly eager to mention his using [[Duolingo]],<ref>[[December_2023_social_media_posts#Duolingo]]</ref><ref>[[January_2024_social_media_posts#Duolingo_100-day_streak]]</ref><ref>[[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan]]</ref> but does not like to specify which language he is learning.<ref>[[January 2024 social media posts#Evading question]]</ref> In a [[YouTube]] livestream on 17 [[February 2024]], when asked if he was learning Finnish currently and why, Chris replied with "I don't know what you're talking about. What're you talking about, guy?"<ref>[[February 2024 livestreams#Part 2]]</ref>

Many observers have theorized that Flutter may be Finnish or Finnish-American; she and Chris were first seen in public together in September 2023, a month before Chris began studying Finnish on Duolingo. Additionally, Flutter was observed in [[December 2023]] flying from {{w|Charlotte Douglas International Airport}} to {{w|Richmond International Airport}}, where she was picked up by Chris. Charlotte Douglas is a major airline hub with service to Helsinki, which lends credence to the hypothesis that she lives in Finland when not visiting Chris.

To date, Chris has remained secretive about his interest in Finland and Finnish, although he did film himself singing two songs in Finnish ([[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan#Silakka Apajalla|Silakka Apajalla]] and [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan#Sakkijarven Polkka|Sakkijarven Polkka]]) as part of his [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan]] series. While the series features Chris attempting to sing songs in multiple foreign languages, most of which he has never studied in Duolingo, Finnish is notably the only language he has attempted more than once.

==First Trip (Spring 2024)==
In [[April 2024]], Chris and [[Flutter]] were spotted and briefly filmed shopping at Kauppakeskus Arabia (AKA Arabia Shopping Centre) in Helsinki, although this sighting was not made public until [[October 2024]] as the individual who spotted them was not certain that it was them. The individual stated that Chris was speaking English in the store rather than Finnish.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Arabia Shopping Centre, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

A photo taken in [[April 2024]] of Chris and Flutter at the Mall of Tripla in Helsinki would be made public in [[November 2024]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

Chris was subsequently spotted at {{w|Dallas Fort Worth International Airport}} on 24 [[May 2024]],<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Dallas Airport]]</ref> wearing the same coat. Dallas Fort Worth is another major airline hub with direct flights to Helsinki, so it is likely that Chris had a layover there on his way back to Virginia.

==Second Trip (Fall 2024)==
On 27 [[September 2024]], Chris was seen in Helsinki by a store employee who leaked a cropped still from the security camera to a co-worker who then posted it to the Internet.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Normal, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref> Locals believe the sighting was at the {{w|Mall of Tripla}}, in a store called Normal.<ref>https://ylilauta.org/satunnainen/27nxqc ([https://archive.fo/sOdD5 archive])</ref> The following day, Chris and Flutter were spotted walking at the Mall of Tripla, by an observer who took a brief video clip.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland (September)]]</ref> In both sightings, Chris is wearing a bright blue Superdry sweatshirt with the hood up.

Chris was seen back in the United States on 1 [[November 2024]] when he was spotted at a [[Wendy's]] in [[Lynchburg]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Wendy's]]</ref>

==Third Trip (Winter 2024)==
On 17 [[December 2024]], Chris and Flutter were seen at {{w|Redi (shopping centre)|Redi}} in {{w|Kalasatama}}, {{w|Helsinki}}, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Redi, Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

Chris was not seen again after this (in any country) until 14 [[February 2025]], when he was spotted at a pet shop in Lynchburg.

==Fourth Trip (Spring 2025)==
On the night of 29 [[March 2025]], Chris would be confirmed in the US for the last time as he had livestreamed from his home.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Playthrough]]</ref> On 4 [[April 2025]], a user on Kiwi Farms posted a photograph and details about spotting Chris on Wednesday, 2 April.<ref>[[Finland#Pasila, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref> He was seen at the Mall of Tripla. On 17 April, Chris and Flutter were photographed eating at coffee shop Arnold's.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Arnold's, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:Chris and Flutter in Finland, April 2024.mp400001.png|Chris and [[Flutter]] in Finland at the Arabia Shopping Centre during [[April 2024]]
File:Chris and Flutter in Finland April 2024 Zenzei sighting (cropped).jpg|Chris and Flutter after shopping at Normal, [[April 2024]]
File:Chris Finland.jpeg|Chris shopping at Normal in Helsinki, Finland, [[September 2024]]
File:Chris and Flutter at Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland.mov00001.png|Chris and Flutter at the Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, [[September 2024]]
File:Chris and Flutter in Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland 17 December 2024.jpg|Chris and Flutter at Redi, Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland, [[December 2024]]
</gallery></center>

==See also==
*[[Flutter]]
*[[Duolingo]]
*[[Sightings (2024)]]
*[[Molvanîa]]

{{References}}

{{Articleofthenow}}
{{Places}}
[[Category:Places]]

Barbara Chandler

2025-02-25T05:18:11Z

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{{Unreliable|type=cred|Barb has a long history of [[LoveYouLongTime_E-mails,_2011-2012#Borb_vs_MAGfest|manipulating]] people.|She might also have dementia or some other cognitive disability. Alternatively, she may be faking dementia symptoms on camera.}}
{{Needs Updating|[[The Place chats (December 2020)#Scary Barbara and Cirrusfire Rant]]|[[The Place chats - ProjectSNT#Browsing Kiwi Farms]]|[[An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021]]|[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]|[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]|[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]}}
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{{Misinfo|Barb has not been confirmed to have dementia. It is impossible to know for sure, and, while theorization is okay, it is ideal not to confirm or deny it on this wiki without further evidence.}}

{{quote|I am close to my mother, but I would advise some space between you and your mother. And I recommend [[Love Quest|finding yourself]] a Girlfriend/Sweetheart to remain with in your later years of life. Mama's not gonna be around forever.|Chris feigns giving advice to a ''Sonichu'' fan.<ref>[[Mailbag 13#Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud...]]</ref>}}

{{quote|She [[Death threats|threatens to kill me]] in her episode of emotional rage.|Chris on Barb.<ref name="jackie26">[[Jackie E-mails 26]].</ref>}}

{{quote|Barbara was more of a “Guilty Pleasure” waifu|Chris [[Chris and escapism#Roleplaying|roleplaying]] as Magi-Chan, demonstrating his [[Chris and sex#Incest|Oedipus complex]].<ref>[[September 2019 social media posts#Barbara was more of a "guilty pleasure" waifu]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
|name = Barbara Chandler
|image = Barb2025-closeup.jpg
|birthname = Barbara Ann Weston
|aliases = Barb Bobcat [[Obesity|Snorlax]] [[:File:Chandler family as ponies.png|Sugar Darling]] Barbie Barbie Chan<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Decent flashlight]]</ref> lady friend<ref>[[Incest fallout chat leaks]]</ref> Merlin<ref>[[Jail Letter - 11 January 2022]]</ref>
|label3 = Date of Birth
|year = 1941
|month = 10
|day = 1
|nationality = [[United States|American]]
|race = White
|religion = Presbyterian
|spouse = Ran Coleman Yeatts Sr. (1961–1963, divorce) Walter Jerome Harmon Jr. (1968-1980, divorce) [[Bob Chandler|Robert Franklin Chandler, Jr.]] (1980–2011, his death)
|children = [[Cole Smithey|Joseph Cole Smithey]] [[Christian Weston Chandler]]
|father = Joseph Otto "Joe" Weston (1896–1955)
|mother = Carrie Edna Wynn (1911–1968)
|occupation = Magician's assistant (1967-1976) Substitute English teacher (Early 1960s) Office worker (retired)
|saga = {{saga|childhood|cn}}, {{saga|greene|cn}}, {{saga|highschool|cn}}, {{saga|gameplace|cn}}, {{saga|ivy|cn}}, {{saga|secondexile|cn}}, {{saga|incest|cn}}, {{saga|jail|cn}}
}}

'''Barbara 'Barb' Weston Chandler'''<ref>[[:File:Barbara Chandler Fail to Yield Right-of-Way charge.png]]</ref> (''née'' '''Weston''', formerly '''Yeatts''' and '''Smithey'''; born 1 {{w|1941#October|October 1941}}<ref name=Harvey155>https://web.archive.org/web/20170903151241/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d155.html</ref>) is the widow of [[Bob Chandler]] and the mother of [[Christian Weston Chandler]] and [[Cole Smithey]]. The sole recognition for her motherly qualities is the Mother of the Year [[2000]] Award Chris created for her.<ref>[[A Week With Christian Chandler#Page 13|A Week With Christian Chandler, page 13]]</ref> She has not won the award since.

Though Bob has remained relatively popular with [[trolls]] and Christorians alike, the same cannot be said for Barbara, who has been consistently disliked by nearly everyone but Chris and her late husband – with many members of her own family distancing themselves from her at least since at least the funeral of one of [[Aunt Corrina|Chris's aunts]]. Whereas Bob eventually recognized his shortcomings as a parent to Chris and attempted to correct them late into his life, Barbara has consistently been one of the biggest enablers of Chris's bad behavior since he was a child, on top of emotionally manipulating, threatening, and on occasion physically abusing him (elements which Chris would turn around and use on her later in her life). Barbara has been instrumental in turning Chris into the spoiled manchild that he is, and like Bob before her, has encouraged him not to seek a serious career path in favor of [[Monthly tugboat|getting welfare off of his condition]], in spite of the fact that he could get a minimum-wage job and still qualify for welfare.

It has long been suspected that she has some form of narcissistic personality disorder, which goes hand-in-hand with what we know about her neglectful to abusive relationship with Chris, along with his half-brother [[Cole Smithey]], who received a much worse treatment from her. Her hoarding habits also indirectly lead to the [[2014 house fire]], as sparks from a coffee maker that had no business being plugged into an extension cord in the bathroom burned the paper, plastic, and wood in the room before engulfing the house, and much of the [[Financhu Crisis]] is subsequently on her.

For much of the Classic Era of Christory, Barbara was extremely obese and napped a lot (earning her the nickname "{{w|Snorlax}}," after the fat, sleepy [[Pokémon]] of the same name), but she has since shed a ton of weight in her twilight years. This sharp loss of weight, loss of hair color, and knowledge of her son's status as a living internet meme all factored into her role in appearing in multiple begging videos.

On 27 [[June 2021]], Chris began [[Affair with Mother|an incestuous relationship with Barbara]],<ref>[[WCT DMs#New sweetheart]]</ref> claiming to have sex every three nights.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Every three nights]]</ref> A month later, on 27 [[July 2021]],<ref>[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]</ref> Chris decided to brag about the identity of his sexual partner [[Incest Call|in a call over the Signal app]] and [[Incest Texts|in text messages]] the following day. The material was leaked to the general public at approximately past midnight on 30 July; later that morning, a [[welfare check]] was conducted at [[14 Branchland Court]], and as a result, Chris was [[ban]]ned from the house and from contact with Barbara for a week, and Barbara was sent to the hospital for a senior care inspection.<ref name=nullsummary>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Summing Up Post-Incest Leak]]</ref> On 1 August, Chris was [[Incest Arrest|arrested at a motel in Richmond]] and charged with incest.<ref>[[:File:Charged.png]]</ref>

Barbara returned to her residence at some point in [[August 2021]].<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Status of 14 Branchland Court]]</ref><ref>[[Fan visits#e1ectricthunder]]</ref> In an [[October 2021]] letter to a fan, Chris mentioned that he had received a letter from Barbara during his stay in jail.<ref name=25letter>[[Jail Letter - 25 October 2021 (Virginia fan)]]</ref>

In [[November 2021]], Barbara failed to yield the right-of-way while driving<ref>[[:File:Barbara Chandler Fail to Yield Right-of-Way charge.png]]</ref> and was injured in a car crash from which she suffered two broken ribs and a concussion and her van was wrecked,<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Confirming Car Crash]]</ref> and she was helped to recover from it by extended family members.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 27 November 2021]]</ref>

Barbara and Chris no longer live together, with Barbara continuing to reside in [[Ruckersville]] and Chris moving to [[Big Island]], VA.

==Spelling of name==
Barbara's high school yearbook and both her marriage licenses spell her full maiden name as ''Barbara '''Ann''' Weston'', as do other sources like Harvey Powers's genealogical website<ref name=Harvey155/> (her divorce decree omits the middle name entirely). Chris, however, usually (though not consistently) spells her name as ''Barbara '''Anne''' Weston Chandler'' with an e. This may be because he believes she is named after [[Anne Boleyn]].

==Early life==
{{Quote|Her life was a Redneck Simple Country one. She had mastered sewing, mending, and making clothes and other farm-life facets and Church-Going habits.|Chris describes his mother's childhood<ref name=jailletter11may>[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]</ref>}}
[[Image:Barb1960.jpg|thumb|left|Barbara's senior photo from high school. While she looks pretty here, she would not age well.]]

Barbara is the fifth child (out of eight) of Joseph Otto "Joe" Weston (1896–1955), a lifelong [[RandomSong1|farmer]] and carpenter and Carrie Edna Wynn (1911–1968), a housewife and later a shoe company worker in Lynchburg.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C958-RFTD?i=1&cc=2377565&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVRC-X438</ref> They married in February 1927, when Carrie was 15 years old and Joseph [[Pedofork|was 30]]. They lied about their ages in their marriage certificate.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20170825073641/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d141.html</ref><ref>https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZT-H9QK-J?cc=1726957</ref> Joe died in 1955, after falling from a horse-drawn wagon.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200603075643/http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html</ref> Barb's maternal grandfather was an alcoholic moonshiner, who carried out affairs and failed to provide even the most basic support for her mother's family.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20180425032751/http://www.harveypowers.com:80/wynn/wynn/d118.html</ref> For whatever reason, Barb believes that she is descended from [[Anne Boleyn]], but this is impossible given that Elizabeth I, Boleyn's only daughter, died without an heir. She also thinks that a more recent ancestor named [[Daniel Weston]] boarded the ''Mayflower'', but no such person exists.

[[Image:0839-MomDesi.JPG|thumb|Barb, emboldened by her hoard, evolved into a Snorlax over time.]]

Barb grew up in a low-income farming household in [[Wikipedia:Red Oak, Virginia|Red Oak, Virginia]], a rural area in the far south of the state. An early memory from when she was two years old was seeing her father covered in silver paint, having fallen off the roof of their house while painting it and nearly killed himself.<ref name=jailletter11may></ref> She graduated from {{w|Randolph-Henry High School}} in {{w|Charlotte Court House, Virginia}} in 1960. Due to family poverty, she was obliged to sew her own clothing.<ref name=younger>[[June 2021 social media posts#Chris larps as his younger self]]</ref> While at Randolph-Henry, she was treasurer of her school's chapter of the [[Women's rights|Future Homemakers of America]], a reporter of the Randolph-Henry safety bus patrol, a typist for her school yearbook, ''The Log'', and a member of the [[Spanish]] Club. She was also a member of many other school organizations, suggesting that she was very involved in extracurricular activities while in high school. She was also known for her perfect attendance record from her sophomore through her senior years of high school. According to her senior yearbook, her nickname in high school was Bobcat.

Barb had two boyfriends in high school, one of whom was [[Aunt Harriet and Uncle Tom|Tom Ashby]], who would later marry her younger sister Harriet. According to a [[January 2012 Facebook Posts#February is coming up|Facebook status]] Chris wrote on 29 January 2012, Barbara lost her virginity during her high school years. Why Chris knows this is anyone's guess, although it's possible that he learned the basic principles of [[Honest Content]] from Mommy Dearest. In a jail letter from 10 May 2022, however, Chris denies that Barbara ever had sex with her high school boyfriends, although he claims that her sisters accused her of doing so.<ref name=jailletter11may></ref>

According to a [[Incest Texts|leaked message]] to [[Bella]], Barbara has had sex with eight different men over the course of her life (not including Chris). Chris claims she told him that she has never [[mass debating|masturbated]].

Shortly after graduating from high school in 1960, Barb left Red Oak and, "...decided to set off on her own... [[Love Quest|in search for romance and her future]]." Apparently, she left in order to go to college, breaking off her relationship with Tom, who was one year her junior. After Barb moved away, "her siblings, cousins, and others in Redoak" began to spread rumors about her and call her a slut in her absence. Around this time her mother also disowned her.<ref>[[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails#Chris has scabies too]]</ref> As it turned out, her relationship with her family would never get much better. Barb's relationship with Harriet and Tom is especially strained. Chris stated in a leaked video that he and his mother are not liked by the members of the Weston family who have outlived Corrina.<ref>[[Message for John Kyle]]</ref>

According to Chris, Barb majored in "accounting and numbers."<ref name=younger></ref> Where Barb attended college is unknown, but it may have been {{w|Wake Forest College}}, where her future first husband, Ran Coleman Yeatts, was studying at the time. Wherever it was, she probably dropped out in 1961, when he graduated and married her. Her divorce report with Jerry and marriage certificate to Bob both say that she had not completed any years of college education.

==Cole and his various fathers==
[[Image:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|thumb|left|Cole visits for Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday]].]]

From approximately 1961 through 1980, Barbara lived in [[Richmond]]. At one point, she aspired to be an English teacher and occasionally filled in for other teachers as a substitute.<ref>[[Regina_e-mails#Chris_answers_a_bunch_of_questions,_is_still_a_virgin]]</ref><ref>[[Rental_House_Tour#Barb's_family_heritage]]</ref> Ultimately, however, she ended up working in a series of secretarial roles, including at {{w|Reynolds Metals Company International Headquarters|Reynolds Metals Company}}.<ref>[[Miyamoto_emails#A_Word_from_Snorlax]]</ref>

Over the course of Barb's adult life prior to meeting Bob, she had relationships with five men, three of whom are known by name.<ref name=jailletter11may>[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]</ref>

Barbara gave birth to [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] in 1963. Throughout his life, Barbara has lied to Cole about who his father is.

Based on his experiences with various stepfathers, [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] thinks that Barbara has a "...proclivity to isolate herself via scurrilous mates."<ref name="coleemail2">[[:File:Cole 07-03-06-2.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 2]]</ref> The use of "scurrilous" in this statement makes no sense, suggesting [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] tries to use [[Chris and English|big]] words to impress people – a family trait, perhaps.

===Ran Coleman Yeatts===
[[Image:RanColemanYeatts-WakeForestHowler1961.png|thumb|right|Cole's [[TRUE and HONEST]] biological father, Ran Coleman Yeatts Sr., from the 1961 Wake Forest College yearbook.]]
[[Image:Barb1961WeddingPortrait.png|thumb|left|Barbara in her wedding dress at age 19, June 1961]]

Records found by Cole in Richmond show that Barb married one '''Ran ''Cole''man Yeatts''', a personnel analyst for DPT, on June 17, 1961. Yeatts was born on 27 December 1939 in {{w|Pittsylvania County, Virginia}} but grew up in {{w|South Hill, Virginia|South Hill}}, a town about 35 miles east of Red Oak which also happens to be the hometown of Barb's mother Carrie and her moonshiner dad. Yeatts graduated from {{w|Park_View_High_School_(South_Hill,_Virginia)|Park View High School}} from South Hill in 1957 and later that year he was enrolled at {{w|Wake Forest College}} in {{w|Winston-Salem, North Carolina}} (now Wake Forest University).<ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28659?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=94&r=0&xywh=2347%2C1534%2C681%2C414</ref><ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28685?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=77&r=0&xywh=1396%2C1140%2C926%2C414</ref><ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28686?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=81&r=0&xywh=460%2C1252%2C1363%2C609</ref><ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28677?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=64&r=0&xywh=2241%2C1842%2C1441%2C875</ref> An {{w|Alpha Sigma Phi}} brother, he graduated from Wake Forest with a BA degree in human resources management in spring 1961, a few months before he and Barb married.<ref>http://www.archive.org/stream/howler1960wake/howler1960wake_djvu.txt</ref> Coincidentally, Bob Chandler was also living in Winston-Salem around the same time, where he was married to Patricia Faye Harley and working as an engineer.

According to their marriage certificate, Ran, a technician for The Virginia State Highway Department, was living in Richmond at the time of the marriage, while Barb, a secretary for Glidden Company of Richmond, was still living in Red Oak. Although however, two newspaper articles from April and June 1961 stated that Barb was already living in Richmond. They were married at a Baptist church in {{w|Wylliesburg, Virginia}} near Red Oak (which the divorce documents misspell as "Sylliesburg").

A divorce was granted to Barb on 15 May 1963, at which point she was pregnant with Cole and living in Richmond. The decree states that Ran deserted her on 28 April 1962, although the final digit in "1962" appears to have been altered from a "3". The divorce license lists zero children. Cole was born two months later, on 24 July 1963.

To further fuel Cole's rage, Yeatts would visit him during his childhood and be introduced as a "friend of the family".<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" /> After Cole hired a private detective, Barbara hung up on him when he called to ask about his father.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />

Yeatts later remarried and died aged 67 on 6 June 2007. His obituary in the ''Richmond Times-Dispatch'' makes no mention of Cole or Barb, although it indicates that Ran had a grandson also named Cole.<ref>[https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/timesdispatch/name/ran-yeatts-obituary?id=5417433 Ran Yeatts Obituary]</ref>

Per the [[Cole Smithey E-mails]], it appears that Barb's nickname for Ran was '''"Ramblin' Randy"''', although there is a slim chance that nickname refers to another ex-lover of Barb's whom we know nothing about.

<center><gallery>
File:BarbYeattsEngagementNewspaper.png|April 1961 - Charlotte Gazette newspaper about Barb and Ran's engagement announcement.
File:June1961MarriageArticleOfWestonYeatts.png|June 1961 - Richmond Times Dispatch newspaper about Barb and Ran's marriage announcement.
File:1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license.jpeg|1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license
File:1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce.jpeg|1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce
</gallery></center>

===Jack Smithey===
Barb insists that Cole's father is '''Jack Dale Smithey,''' to whom she claims she was once married. However, Cole was unable to find a marriage license for the couple or any photographs from their alleged wedding.<ref name="coleemail2" /> Indeed, Christorians have been frustrated in their efforts to locate any such evidence; their ability and persistence in documenting everything Chris-adjacent rivals that of any private detective. In 1995, Cole's friend, syndicated cartoonist {{w|Ted Rall}}, made an Internet post questioning the whereabouts of Jack Dale Smithey. According to the post, Smithey lived in Richmond in 1963 (the year Cole was born) and was a Merchant Marine. He later worked as a trucker for Pilot Trucking in North Carolina but had not been heard of since 1964.<ref>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SURNAMES/1995-04/0798938259</ref> Cole eventually hired a private detective who tracked down Jack Smithey in {{w|Sarasota, Florida}}.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails">[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref>

Although there is no hard evidence that Barb was ever married to Jack, newspaper articles from the 1960s indicate that she used the surname Smithey up until she married Jerry Harmon in 1968. According to Barbara (as quoted by Chris), she and Jack had a "fancy" wedding which was attended by her sisters and mother. Chris told Cole that Barbara considers Jack "a total drunk and loser".<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails">[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref>

In [[July 2021]], (in the middle of his incestuous affair with her), Chris asked Barbara about her relationship with Jack.

{{quote|Short story of it is that Jack and Barbie went out, sexed up, knocked her up.

Then he hit the road; was not in it to be a daddy. The life on the open road called out to him more.|Chris on Jack}}

Chris also mentioned that no photos of Jack were kept at home, though they did have photos of Jerry.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Barbara's ex]]</ref>

Jack died in 2010 at the age of 81 in Winston-Salem.

===Jerry Harmon===
[[Image:JerryHarmonandBarb.PNG|thumb|Jerry Harmon performing magic tricks with Barb assisting him, December 1968.]]
[[Image:Jerry_Harmon_WRVA_Bio.JPG|thumb|Jerry's employee bio in a booklet published by radio station WRVA, 1950.]]

'''Walter Jerome "Jerry" Harmon, Jr.''' was Barbara's second (or third) ex-husband and the alleged sinister stepfather of [[Cole Smithey]], Chris's older half-brother. Jerry was born on July 1st, 1931 in {{w|Springfield, Massachusetts}} but grew up in {{w|Millboro, Virginia}} and later Richmond. Jerry's father died when he was 18 months old.<ref name="HarmonVDAdamo">https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/va-supreme-court-records-vol195/14/</ref> Much like Bob, Jerry had a technical background; he had graduated from {{w|Capitol Technology University}} (then Capital Radio Engineering Institute) in {{w|Laurel, Maryland}} and worked as a {{w|Broadcast_engineering|broadcast engineer}} at local radio station WRVA around 1950.<ref>https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Station-Albums/WRVA-25th-II.pdf WRVA 25th Anniversary booklet, W. Jerome "Jerry" Harmon bio top center of page 8.</ref> In April 1951, Jerry fathered a child out of wedlock with Nancy Louise Janetos. The mother offered the child up for adoption until she and Jerry married in September of 1951. The couple eventually regained custody of their baby in 1953 following a legal case ''Harmon v. D'Adamo''<ref name="HarmonVDAdamo" /> that was taken all the way to the Virginia Supreme Court. At some point, Jerry ended up in the military, which Cole has written about in two articles. According to Cole, Jerry was a combat medic during the Korean War before switching his role to train his soldiers in specialized combat techniques, such as decapitation using piano wire (with watermelons standing in for actual heads during this training). He was also a captain in the Civil Air Patrol and would pilot planes during and after the Korean War. One time, he was injured after crash-landing his plane during a fighter pilot mission in Korea.

According to the adoption court case records, Jerry wished to further study medicine at {{w|University of Richmond}}, though it is unclear if this ever happened. Somewhat ironically, while married to Barb, Jerry served in different roles with the Richmond [[Chris and mental healthcare|Mental Health]] Association,<ref>https://www.newspapers.com/image/829546397/?terms=%22Jerry%20Harmon%22%20&match=1 Richmond Times-Dispatch 28 Jan 1973</ref> where he was known for building a model of the human nervous system, which he brought to speaking engagements.

Barbara claims to have married Jerry after her relationships with Jack Dale Smithey and Ran Coleman Yeatts. However, in the course of Cole's investigation into his family history, he was unable to find a marriage certificate.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" /> That being said, there is a divorce record which claims that Jerry and Barbara married on 18 June 1968 in Washington D.C. and divorced on 7 January 1980 after one year of living apart, three weeks before Bob had divorced his first wife Patricia. In a Facebook comment from 2020, Cole claims that Jerry adopted him in 1966.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/blendonlodge339/posts/1084760088251976</ref><ref name="colesmithey">https://www.colesmithey.com/articles/2017/09/operation-snowball-my-first-career-in-show-business.html</ref>

{{quote|I grew up in an abusive household with Barbara and my former stepfather Jerry, where physical and mental punishments ran the gamut from bare-assed beatings to cold showers to bizarre scenarios acted out with glee by two deeply neurotic adults... Even at a very young age, I knew that they would abandon me. They were both irresponsible and incompetent parents who exposed me to traumas that I would rather not remember.|Cole on Barb and Jerry's parenting skills.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />}}
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{{quote|He might not have been the best dad, but Jerry was a humanitarian, as evidenced by his actions.|Cole being more charitable towards Jerry.<ref name="colesmithey" />}}
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[[Image:JerryBarb&Cole.jpg|thumb|Jerry Harmon with Barbara and young Cole in late 1960s/early 1970s]]
In both his article "[[Saturday Night Special]]" and "[[Operation Snowball|Operation Snowball: My First Career in Show Business]]," Cole would further elaborate on his first stepfather in his early life and later life (look above). According to Cole, Jerry was a professional magician for decades since he was 20, was a dedicated {{w|Freemasonry|freemason}} and was an active member of the Invisible Lodge. Jerry lived with Barbara in a second-floor apartment adjacent to the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond during the early 1970s. Jerry allegedly kept a gun in his nightstand drawer, which his stepson would play with, and was out cheating on his wife when an intruder came to the apartment, forcing Barb to retrieve and fire the gun to scare them off. The shot ricocheted off the floor and the apartment's steel door and nearly killed Cole as a result, hitting the wall a hair's breadth behind his head. Cole would later remove the first article from his blog.

Cole describes how Jerry, Barb, and himself took part in an annual traveling magic show which performed at mental hospitals and veteran hospitals in Virginia every [[Christmas]] season from 1967 to 1976. The trio performed under the name of "King Karnak, Barbie, and Cole". Each show would end with Jerry chopping off Barb's head with a guillotine. During this time and later of his life, Jerry worked as a radio announcer for WEZS radio station. Cole claimed that the former Virginia Governor {{w|Mills Godwin}} would pilot them around in a Cessna Twin-Engine plane to their magic show and Jerry would sometimes pilot the plane.

Cole would further elaborate more about Jerry. He was an ambulance driver for the Richmond volunteer rescue squad; he also taught [[Jerkop|police recruits]] Standard First Aid before he began working for the mental health agency headquartered at Monument Avenue. Cole even said that Jerry cared about mental health movements so much that the whole purpose for the magic show performance at local hospitals were to provide entertainment for the patients, war veteran patients and mentally ill patients. Aside from this, Jerry was also the owner of his own company Karnak Enterprises, which specializes in production work, special effects and entertainment.<ref name="colesmithey" /><ref>https://www.facebook.com/blendonlodge339/posts/1084760088251976</ref><ref name=sjf>http://sjf.stparchive.com/Archive/SJF/SJF01221981P08.php</ref> Interestingly, Jerry married a woman named Rose LaNora Lotts in 1981, whom he first met when she was employed as an assistant for his "King Karnak" act, suggesting that she replaced Barb in more ways than one.<ref name=sjf></ref>

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File:JerryAndBarbDivorce.png|1980 1 7 - Barb and Jerry's divorce record
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==Life with Bob==
{{quote|He is only interested in making things look like he did 'em, it was his idea and I really didn't have anything to do with it. Even when I help him. I get no credit for anything. He never gives me credit to my face. Or if he's talking to anybody else. Just like he tells you sometimes, “Well I don't get no help from your mother.”|Barb ranting about her husband to Chris<ref>[[Kacey Call 15]]</ref>}}

[[File:Bob&BarbMay2000.png|thumb|Nearly happy looking Borb in 2000]]
[[File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg|thumb|1980 6 7 - Borb's marriage license]]

[[Bob Chandler|Bob]] and Barbara met at "Maddy's Pub" in Richmond<ref>[[April 2012 Facebook posts#Fear of the future]]</ref> (probably Matt's British Pub in Shockoe Slip, where Bob was a sing-along leader)<ref>[[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]]</ref> one night in 1979. Barbara was there with friends and [[Bob]] was singing.<ref name=annivspecial>[[The 24th Wedding Anniversary Special]]</ref> Cole's friend Chuck, who worked at the bar, vividly recalled them being a pair of drunken dumbasses.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-1.PNG|24 July 2007 email #1 from Cole to Chris]]</ref> According to Chris, Barbara did the [[How to Talk to Girls|pursuing]]: "She chased him down the hall." They married in 1980.<ref name=annivspecial></ref> Chris claims that, "Barbara, In her own words, Married him because 'He owned a house'."<ref name=jailletter11may></ref> Later that year Bob was transferred from Richmond to [[Charlottesville]]. They settled in the outlying suburb of [[Ruckersville]].

Barbara worked for several years as a finance secretary for numerous companies and businesses, included Virginia Power (VEPCO, today called [[Wikipedia:Dominion Energy|Dominion Energy]]) and First North American National Bank (partnered with {{w|Circuit City}}.)<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Date_with_Emily#Eating_spaghetti_and_conversing_(0:36:49%E2%80%930:44:46):~:text=Bob%3A%20And%20uh%2C%20she%20worked%20for%2C%20um%2CCircuit%20City%20for%20a%20while%20before%20she%20retired.</ref>
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In September [[1993]], Chris and Bob moved from Ruckersville to Chesterfield County near Richmond so that Chris would be able to attend middle school at a mainstream school.<ref>[[Chris's Wikipedia profile#His Early Years - Birth to 1992]]</ref> Barbara did not accompany them and remained in Ruckersville. Chris claimed that the separation allowed Barbara to continue working at her job until retirement and that she still visited Bob and Chris every weekend during the time she lived separately from them. After going into retirement when Chris was in the eighth grade (early 1996), Barbara came to live with her husband and son in Chesterfield.<ref>[[Mailbag 32#Chris is no stranger to stupid name changes]]</ref><ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg]]</ref>

With both Barbara and Bob retired, they spent their twilight years from 2000 onward living in their Ruckersville home with Chris. It is difficult to ascertain what their relationship was like, but sources such as the tour of the house would suggest that Chris's parents neglected the [[14_Branchland_Court|family home]] and spent most of their time apart in separate areas of the house. According to Chris, Barbara had not had sex with Bob for at least two decades before his death. They began sleeping in different rooms sometime around the mid-2000s "because they're not as close as they should, used to or can be".<ref>[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]</ref> It can be presumed that as they got older, they grew more distant, but never to the point of wanting a divorce.

Barbara became a widow on 6 September 2011 when Bob died.<ref name="BobObit">http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071324/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailyprogress/obituary.aspx?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600</ref>

==Relations with Chris==

[[File:Barbara1993cropped.png|thumb|Barb c. 1993.]]
[[Image:0033-MommasBirthday.jpg|thumb|Age was not kind to Barb.]]

===Abuse and manipulation===
{{quote|And he told me of mom saying she was going to pack up and leave the house, then I ran downstairs, finding her on the couch; she was soo miserable and sad; she talked of Wanting to Die, "you don't even have to change my clothes, you can just bury me in what I have on." I was soo sad and crying and soo sorry for the way I misbehaved; we hugged and made up a bit.|An example of Barb's manipulation.<ref name=magfest>[[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2011-2012#Borb vs MAGfest]]</ref>}}

Barb has had a long history of abusing and/or [[Chris and manipulation|manipulating]] her children. For example, she has often used threats of suicide to guilt Chris into obeying her whims. When Bob and Chris once tried to discuss cleaning the hoard with Barb, she responded by threatening suicide.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Barb's Hoarding]]</ref>
She also threatened suicide to her family during the [[Ivy]] Saga, supposedly as a response to the stress she was going through.<ref name="IvyQ&A"/>

In an episode from 2011, when Chris failed to book himself a hotel room for [[MAGfest]], due to being broke, and planned to sleep in his car,<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 29]]</ref> Barb prevented him from going by pointing out the, "...crime risk and chilly temperatures," threatening to lock him out of their house, claiming that she would pack up and leave, and later told him she wanted to die. After Chris folded and went to his room to cry about it, she gave him a "half-payment of a copy of DC Universe Online to make up for not allowing [him] to go."<ref name=magfest></ref> Later that year, after Chris became a [[tomgirl]], Barb tried to stop him from wearing dresses and make-up by telling him she feared he would kill her. She then ordered him to sit down, and she cut his hair.<ref name="jackie26"></ref>

In addition, Barb has used the specter of old age for her own gain, by manipulating Chris into thinking she will have a heart attack. This tactic has been used so often that Chris will panic and call 911 if Barb does not answer the phone when he calls her to check up on her when he is out of the house.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Welfare Check on Barbara]]</ref> When Barb and Chris were both arrested for [[assault and battery]], Chris was extremely worried about her health, saying in an email:

{{quotebox|My mother fought the police in my defense, and she was handcuffed and I was emotionally distraught, I screamed and Screamed and SCREAMED, until an ambulance came for my mother to take her to UVA Hospital; she was okay, but her Blood Pressure was high.

I prayed a LOT to Jesus for my release and safe return home with my mother. And I banged the cell door with both my feet while lying on a folding mattress on the floor (to get those bastards to let me see and talk to my mother

Only after seeing my mother in her suit pass by my second cell, did I start to calm down. I was REALLY WORRIED about my mother and her health. She Needed Me, and I Needed Her.}}

[[Marvin]] summed up Chris's relationship with Barb:

{{quoteboxgreen|Well, I don't think they talk very much. However, no, Chris is Barb's hand servant. She screams for him and he comes running. She has him change the newspaper the dogs shit on, she has him run errands to bring her stuff, and she used to have him haul her goodwill crap to the car, and then from the car into the house.

''...''

I think Barb's yelling has gotten much less frequent nowadays. It seems like she's pretty feeble nowadays. Chris is just as scared of Barb as he used to be though. I don't think he realizes how much power he has over Barb nowadays.

They're really physically affectionate in a strange way. Chris is pretty touchy feely with women because of habits he learned by spending time with Barb.<ref name=qualified>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Barb and Chris]]</ref>}}

After Bob died, Barb's abuse of Chris escalated. According to Marvin, she treated him as a hand servant and forced him to be on-call at all times. Around [[2013]], she forced Chris to move out of his bedroom, specifically so she could bark orders at him more efficiently, by throwing a tantrum and wrecking his possessions.

{{quoteboxgreen|a few months to a year before the fire, Chris stopped being permitted to sleep separately from Barb, in his bedroom. He had to sleep closer to Barb, because she needed to be able to yell for him to go to [[sheetz]] and buy her crap, and he wasn't able to hear her up in his bedroom. He kind of tried to resist at first, but then she got super pissed and threw a tantrum. She wrecked his room and like flipped everything over because he was trying to sleep on his own.<ref name=qualified/>}}

===Financial exploitation===
{{quote|she is also being Very Annoying. “Christine, Let’s put this random good item on eBay. I REALLY Need the Money for not only my bill payments, but also, we need more food here. I am greedy too.”

“OH! You sold something of Yours? I Want $50 From That”, she is constantly pestering and bugging me. Nowadays, Nearly every time she comes downstairs to talk or chill, my Impulsive, Subconscious feeling of her presence is Cringe and “Oh, No! She’s gonna Bug Me Again of the Da** Finances Again!”|Chris<ref>[[September 2018 social media posts]]</ref>}}

===Pampering===
{{quote|Yeah, but then my Mom is pretty much jealous of me loving another woman more than her.|Chris, describing his {{w|Oedipus complex}}.<ref>[[Mumble 10]]</ref>}}

{{quote|Yes, dear.|Chris, addressing Barb<ref>[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]]</ref>}}

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[[Image:0028-ChristopherWMom1.jpg|thumb|[[Affair with Mother|Horrifyingly qualifies as foreshadowing.]]]]

According to Cole, Bob and Barbara left Chris alone every day for years with the [[abusive babysitter]] while going out drinking, effectively ignoring the manifestation of the earliest symptoms of autism.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-3.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 3]]</ref> After Chris's initial diagnosis, and after their negligence was inevitably thrown back in their face, Barbara resorted to any means necessary to coax Chris into talking, most notoriously by bribing him with toys.<ref>[[Song of Christian]]</ref>

[[Image:ImWorkingOnIt.png|thumb|left|Chris and Barbara in an intimate moment. A less subtle case of foreshadowing.]]

While both of Chris's parents are largely responsible for his current state, Barb has more often than not been the most active in protecting Chris from recognizing any failure or shortcoming on his part, doing everything from being his sole commission with [[Cutco]] to going as his date to his [[Manchester High School#The Senior Prom|senior prom]].

This pattern of accountability continues even into Chris's adult years. On at least two occasions, most notably after he was banned permanently, Barbara visited [[the GAMe PLACe]] attempting to protect and defend her little snowflake and argue his case with [[Michael Snyder]], but to no avail.

Barbara constantly babies Chris and tells him how handsome he is.<ref>[[Sonichu Girls]] and [[White knight emails]]</ref> She also told Chris that the reason he often "blanks out" or gets confused is not that he is an absent-minded, slothful buffoon, but that he is a "[[Chris and art|creative genius]] and is simply overwhelmed by having so many creative ideas".<ref>[[Kacey Call 12]]</ref>

However, it seems that even Barb has her limits. Like Bob, she was [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Coming out to my parents|ashamed of Chris's effeminate escapades]], claiming that she did not raise a daughter, and that "tomgirl" is not a thing. [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Mothers|She tried and failed]] to get Chris to stop wearing a bra and panties, even offering to pay him to stop.

===Chris and the Internet===
As first evidenced by the "GAMe PLACe/4Chan picture" incident, Barbara has some concerns over Chris's online misadventures, likely because she fears that he'll [[Jerkhief|get]] [[Bagget|arrested]] and [[28 October 2011|go to prison]]. Given some of the violent states of some of his videos and Chris's [[Arrest|track record]], she is probably not too far from the truth. She also felt Chris could be vulnerable to entrapment, as she tried to discourage Chris from meeting with [[Blanca]] because she thought it was possible Blanca would have ended up being part of a sting operation that could have resulted in Chris's arrest.<ref>[[Mumble 10]]</ref> As it turned out, Blanca was not real and was only a persona cooked up by Internet [[trolls]] seeking to humiliate Chris. She tried to screen another suspicious troll by interrogating [[Ivy]] for about half an hour, but ultimately let her speak to Chris.<ref name="IvyQ&A">[[Ivy Q&A]]</ref> Barbara even seems to suspect that [[Megan Schroeder]], one of the few women Chris has known who ''was not'' out to troll him, is partially responsible for the persecution he has endured over the years.

===Intimate behavior===
{{See also|Affair with Mother}}

From [[LittleBigPlanet]] [[Autism Tutorial Part 2]], Chris advised the parents of autistic children to "give them hugs..., even if they don't want to" and mentioned that Barb never stopped hugging him as a child, even when he didn't want to and then "eventually felt the love". Some children with ASD struggle with physical closeness regardless of the context. This experience may have decreased Chris's sense of personal space & boundaries, thinking that it's normal to hug, kiss, and touch females without their consent, even after they have explicitly told him not to.

{{quote|I, myself, Did have dreams of having sex with my mother.|[[August 2016 Facebook posts#Incestuous Thoughts|One result of Barb's parenting choices, as explained by Chris in August 2016.]]}}

To cap off their relationship, Chris revealed in private conversations with multiple people that Barb has spooned with him.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGU4nSlX0M ''PVCC NEW info: on Chris and Barbara spoon eachother!'' (YouTube)]</ref>

From [[Arthur Spatchcock]], on Chris sharing a bed with his mother:

{{quoteboxred|Story time, kids. Now most of us are aware of the fire; how Barb and Chris were displaced for some time while the house was getting renovated. You know how Chris was all whiny about his legos, right? Some getting melted, shit like that...well he kind of left out that his own bed was ruined as well given it had years of grease soaked into it because not bathing is so chic in his eyes. So when they got back home Chris didn't have his own bed anymore so he was sharing one with Barb instead. This came with the horrifying addendum that Barb wanted to spoon with him; I don't know if he was little spoon or big spoon but I know she was unimpressed and one night just unloaded on him angrily enough that Chris decided to get his own bed with his own money. So it goes without saying that from the time Chris and Barb got back home [[DStecks|until he got that grand]] he was sleeping in the same bed as his mother.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20190423212237/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-4-11-e-begging-intensifies.19356/page-5</ref>}}

In August 2016, the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] observed Chris and Barb in public during a court hearing:<ref>[[26 December 2014]]</ref>

{{quoteboxgreen|Barb and Chris are way too physically intimate. It's one thing to describe their creepy relationship, it's quite another to watch it IRL. They hold hands and Chris is always putting his arm around her and rubbing her shoulders sensually. That's shit I'd do to someone I'd want to bang. Not a family member. It's weird.}}

{{quote|I am not a "Bates". OMG.|Chris, in denial<ref>[[Misc texts]]</ref>}}

[[File:Home.png|thumb|right|{{w|Apocalypse Now|"The horror. The horror."}}]]

Barb's habit of cuddling with Chris had been going on since Bob was alive, and he knew of it, but, due to Barb's manipulation, he was not able to stop her.<ref>http://archive.is/zwWV9</ref> In [[August 2016]], Chris [[Honest content|admitted]] to having [[Chris and sex#Dreams of sex with Barb|incestuous fantasies about Barb]], prompting further analysis of their uncomfortably intimate relationship. Chris sometimes refers to her as [[Darling|"dear" or "darling"]], as he usually does for [[DoopieDoOver|would-be sweethearts]]. In his [[Twitch#CLog 04172018 - Buy My Toys|April 2018 Twitch stream]], when Chris got his mother to reluctantly say "[[Random-access humor|turn me loose, you silly goose]]" after hugging him, he commented that she "used to do that more [[Chris and English|flirtingly]]".

In [[June 2021]], not long before his [[Affair With Mother|incestuous relationship]] with his mom allegedly began, Chris, [[Honest Content|completely unprompted]], claimed in a [[Facebook]] post that he and Barb had never slept in the same bed:<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#CPU stuff and Barb]]</ref>

{{quotebox|Also, during the time my mom and I slept in my bedroom, we slept in Separate Furniture; she slept on the couch, and I slept in the bed. She and I Never ever had slept in the same bed together during those short months between ‘11 and ‘12.

Never in the same bed. ⚡️💙⚡️}}

Throughout 2021, Chris was feeling several instances of sexual frustration, hitting on [[MKRNightVee|several]] [[Annie Ikenberry|women]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|of]] [[Fiona|interest]]. It has gotten to the point where Chris would release all of this sexual tension on Barbara in mid-June, where he would continuously have sexual intercourse with her every three days. The context in which this has all happened is hazy at best, as information on the affair primarily came from an [[Incest Call|infamous call]] where he describes incestuous acts, and a few leaked chats Chris had with people. Throughout his affair with Barbara, Chris would hint at having such an affair online, calling Barbara a "sweetheart over 50". Sometime after [[Fiona]] had leaked a chunk of the call on a Discord Server, which would soon after be posted onto various websites by her friends, several concerned observers would contact authorities about the affair, leading to his arrest.

===Post-incest===
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A major change that came from the summer 2021 incestuous [[Affair with Mother]] is that Barbara and Chris no longer live together as of late [[July 2021]]. On the 30th, Chris was served an Emergency Protective Order [[ban]]ning him from [[14 Branchland Court]] (Barbara's house in which he had lived).<ref name=nullsummary></ref> After his nearly two-year stay in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]] on a charge of incest, Chris went to live at [[Gateway Homes]] for a brief time, then [[Caden Peck]] financed a home in [[Big Island, VA]] in which Chris currently lives.

Chris has been observed returning to 14 Branchland Court. On 4 [[September 2023]], a [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]] user photographed his [[Son-chu|car]] in the driveway.<ref>[[Fan visits#nemo1316]]</ref> On 7 [[November 2023]], another r/ChrisChanSonichu user claimed to have seen both Barbara and Chris at the house. The user alleged that Chris mentioned having taken Barbara shopping and that he was taking some belongings to his house.<ref>[[Post-jail sightings (2023)#14 Branchland Court]]</ref> In [[April 2024]], ''[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]'' creator GamerFromMars claimed that Chris had told him that he visits Barbara about once a month.<ref>[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy#Interview comments]]</ref>

[[File:X - Kamala Harris 2024 sign1.jpeg|thumb|150px|Barbara seen at center window]]
Chris has also occasionally alluded to returning to the house on social media. On 22 [[April 2024]], he uploaded [[Harvesting Process, Gravel at the Sonichu Temple]], which shows him gathering gravel in the driveway. In [[September 2024]], he posted photos of his custom-drawn [[yard]] sign supporting [[Kamala Harris]]'s run for the presidency; in one photo, Barbara can be glimpsed in the window. In [[November 2024]], Chris informed fans that his PO Box had been closed in error, and that they could send mail to 14 Branchland Court instead. Chris noted that either the mail would be forwarded to him, or he would personally retrieve it.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Lynchburg P.O. box closed]]</ref>

==Pets==
{{quote|They both need some serious training, and my mom recently met, and flirted with, a verified "Smith" who is a pro dog trainer. He offered to train the beagles for a discount from his original rate.|Chris in [[2012]]<ref>[[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2011-2012#Dogs]]</ref>}}
As of [[March 2024]], Barbara's pets are the beagle [[Clover and Snoopy|Clover]] and some of the [[Chandler Cats]]. Barbara has a history of neglect towards the pets.

Clover, as well as her deceased brother Snoopy, were acquired as puppies by Barbara and Chris. It had been Barbara's idea to get a beagle for a pet, and Chris eventually agreed to it.<ref>[[May 2012 Facebook posts#These poor fucking dogs]]</ref> Snoopy was officially Barbara's, while Clover was ostensibly Chris's. However, Chris has criticized Barbara's decisions on the dogs, an implication she was in control.<ref name=barbblame>[[Anaxis DMs#Introduction/Bismuth Messages]]</ref>

Despite being a hoarder, Barbara neglected to clear sufficient space for the dogs. At one point, Snoopy fell off a "mountain of clothes" as a puppy, leaving his leg permanently damaged.<ref>[[July 2021 social media posts#Eulogy for Snoopy]]</ref> Both dogs were usually kept inside the house, to the point they became obese and relieve themselves on newspapers. Chris has commented it would be ideal if the dogs could use [[Patti]]'s old pen in the side [[yard]] instead.<ref name=barbblame></ref>

In regards to the cats, [[Scamper]] was killed as a result of the [[2014 house fire]], of which Barbara's hoarding was a major factor. Barbara also accidentally locked [[Sorbet]] inside a room overnight, and Chris found him early morning when feeding the other cats.<ref>[[December 2016 Facebook posts#Sorbet lost, then found]]</ref>

==Quirks==
===Meals===
The night after the Chandler family moved back to Ruckersville in [[2000]], Bob and Chris refused a spaghetti dinner offered by Barb. As a response, Barb decided to forgo cooking for her family and did not make a meal for Chris for at least eleven years afterwards. Chris mentioned in [[2011]] that she was still upset over it:<ref name=jackie24>See emails sent by [[Jackie E-mails 24|Chris to Jackie on 24 and 26 April 2011]].</ref>

{{quote|The spaghetti topic is soo yesterdecade, but apparently she remembers it as well as having a very close relative pass away. Obviously I can empathize with that; I still have my chip on the shoulder from [[Michael Snyder]] banning me from the [[The GAMe PLACe|Game & Hobby Place]]|Chris in a 2011 email<ref name=jackie24></ref>}}

Barb may have resumed making meals at some point. In a [[September 2019]] chat, Chris said he was concerned over his hypertension and "told Barbara to kill the spicy foods for a while."<ref>[[The Place chats - Ben Saint]]</ref>

In a [[May 2016]] begging video, Chris claimed to need money for food, and gave as an example bananas, which he said Barb liked to eat.<ref>[[Donations, Please, plus Live Game Stream tonight.]]</ref>

In the mid-2010s, Barb's doctor advised that she drink meal replacement shakes.<ref>[[September 2018 social media posts#Dynamics between Chris and Barb]]</ref> In [[Minor Update, Handouts!]], a set of begging videos from [[May 2017]], Chris asked his audience for money, claiming it was needed to pay for more of Barb's meal shakes, and admitted he had [[neglect]]ed to buy enough for the month. Barb also made an appearance in which she mentioned consuming the meal shakes. Barb again mentioned the meal shakes during a livestream in [[April 2018]], saying that she liked them and referred to them as "chocolate milkshakes."<ref>[[CLog 04172018 - Buy My Toys]]</ref>

In the [[August 2018]] video [[Shoe Colouring]], Barb mentioned that she did some cooking for her dinner and lunch, which consisted of chicken, fish, and half a can of yams.

==Health problems==
===Weight===
[[Image:Cheers01.jpg|thumb|Artist's depiction.]]

Like Chris, Barbara was [[obesity|obese]] at the time of his discovery by the internet. As late as the 1990s, Barbara was reasonably slim, but she, along with Chris, ballooned out as the 2000s rolled along, to the point of resembling English serial killer {{w|Rose West}}. Her massive size earned her the affectionate nickname '''Snorlax''' from the [[trolls]]. Barb's size may have led to her [[Chris and stress|sleeping a lot]]<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> and usually skipping [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]].<ref>[[Church audio]]</ref>

However, according to eyewitness reports, Barbara lost weight in 2012.<ref>[[This is how the Trial went‎]]</ref> Her weight loss is visible in photos Chris took of her at a 2012 Mythbusters tour stop in Washington, DC.<ref>[[:File:BarbMarch2012.png]]</ref>

This has continued into her old age. When she attended Chris's [[26 December 2014|court hearings]] throughout [[2015]], Christorians in attendance invariably noted that although she has lost weight, she appears to have low muscle mass; probably due to her sedentary lifestyle. In particular, at [[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing|his last hearing]], it was noted that Barb appeared to be growing increasingly frail, and appeared much more passive to Chris than she has otherwise been known to be, as she did not present as very responsive. Chris also reportedly got short with her due to her poor hearing.

In 2018, Chris decided to cash in on the Snorlax joke, claiming that his mother found it funny. He listed a plush Snorlax for sale on [[eBay]], at $200.

{{quote|Hey, Everyone! Those in the meme-know: the times when my mother used to be large and lazy, everyone called her a Snorlax. Well, Barbara likes the joke too, and can laugh it off as she is doing a lot better these days. So, one time only, she signed a Snorlax Plush, and YOU can own it; a 20% More Awesome Collectible. A personal Certificate or Letter of Authenticity will be included. Thank you.}}

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==="Holey buttocks"===
In a [[Twitter|tweet]] to Cole from June 29, 2013, Chris tells him that "[he] ought to be over here putting bandages on [their] Mom's holey buttocks". It was not clear exactly what sort of problem this referred to, though it hardly sounds pleasant. On October 14, 2013, Chris elaborated in a Facebook post, stating, "my mother stresses me with her continuous rants about her damn miniature scabie flies, her suffering, the [[Financhu_Crisis|low finances]] and shit!!!". The consensus was that the so-called "holey buttocks" were, in fact, lesions. It is now believed that Barb has (or had) a colony of parasitic mites, rather than flies, that have burrowed into her prodigious posterior. Naturally, while Barb is being eaten alive by parasites other than Chris, her child whines about having to take care of her.

===Dental===
In August 2014, Chris begged for money on [[Facebook]], supposedly to pay [[List of toys|dental fees]], as he claimed his mother had cavities in her teeth that needed treatment. In July 2016, Barb herself begged for money.<ref>[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]</ref> Chris and Barb restarted begging for [[Lego|dental]] money in early 2018.

===Hearing loss===
During Chris's 2014 court hearing for [[pepper spray]]ing a [[GameStop]] employee, [[Marvin]] was in attendance and observed Chris imply that Barb had hearing loss.<ref>[[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing]]</ref>

{{quote|After a bit, the PD went up to the judge and they called Chris up. Chris starts getting impatient with Barb. He said something like "are your ears clogged up??" and then "wanna follow me so you can hear what's going on?" Then she got up and trundled up there to accompany Chris.|Marvin}}

On 20 September 2021, Reddit user e1ectricthunder visited [[14 Branchland Court]] and had a brief conversation with Barb, during which Barb had difficulty understanding what was being said.<ref>[[Fan visits#e1ectricthunder]]</ref>

===Aging===
{{quote|They treat, they treat you very badly in there. She, she would, she, she, she would never want me to put her into a home, and I would not do that.|Chris, August 2014<ref>[[Catie Date Conversation Transcript]]</ref>}}

[[File:Barb reacts to Quinn.jpg|thumb|200px|Barb, aged 76, tissue in hand, comforting Chris after [[Jessica Quinn]] broke up with him.]]

In November 2015, [[Family Needs to appreciate Family]] was uploaded to YouTube. The video is a plea for [[Cole Smithey]], [[David Alan Chandler]], and [[Carol Suzanne Chandler]] to visit Barb before "her time runs out", even though the latter two are not Barb's progeny.

On 13 July 2016, Barb unexpectedly starred in [[Donations Further Requested, Please|one of Chris's e-begging videos]]. In the minute-long video, she speaks slowly and almost inaudibly, hardly moving or blinking for the entirety of the video. While some have voiced concerns that this may be an early sign of dementia, it is just as likely that Barb, being a manipulative narcissist, was putting on an act for money. She has since re-appeared in numerous other e-begging videos from Chris, including multiple in [[August 2018]]; her appearance is frail and quite frazzled, and her sentences are often punctuated with tons of "ums" and "uhs", along with extended pauses.

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[[File:Our signatures00001.png |thumb|right|Barb and Chris in March 2018, the former wearing the [[$400 gold necklace]].]]
In August 2016, [[Anna McLerran]] posted a photo on Facebook of herself and Barb together.<ref>[[:File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.]]</ref> In it, Barb appears to have aged significantly since her last appearance in the "Donations Further Requested, Please" video.

In November 2016, Barb escaped injury when she slipped and fell.<ref>[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Barb slips and falls]]</ref>

Chris was increasingly tasked with helping Barb around the house in her elderly age. He stated in April 2017 that he was taking caregiving classes.<ref>[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04272017]]</ref>
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===Other===
In [[October 2009]], Barbara spent her birthday at the hospital with what the Chandlers thought was food poisoning.<ref name="9 October 2009">[[9 October 2009]]</ref> Barbara was diagnosed with {{w|colitis}}, a gastrointestinal disease characterized by the inflammation of the colon. It manifests in diarrhea and cramps. Which kind of colitis has yet to be determined. It seems the Chandler family's diet has finally come to affect her, and in order to survive she will have to change her eating habits; considering their stubbornness, this clearly will end badly.

Hearing the plight of the Chandler family, [[Trolls|fans]] of Sonichu created the website "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" to spread awareness regarding AIDS and to collect donations for research foundations and charities.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201009073942/https://sites.google.com/site/barbarachandlerhasaids/home "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" Awareness Website]</ref> Chris himself denied the rumor.<ref name="9 October 2009"/>

On 23 August 2013, Chris claimed that Barbara had been afflicted with breast cancer but managed to survive.<ref>[[Facebook#Breast Cancer Awareness]]</ref> He did not give details about when was she diagnosed with the ailment, at what stage it was, or what kind of treatment Barb received.

In [[November 2020]], Chris mentioned that Barbara had an appointment with a cardiologist.<ref>[[The Place chats (November 2020)#Chris's Body Shakes]]</ref>

==Mental problems==
Barb is understood by most to be a highly unstable woman, and worryingly, many of her behaviors can also be observed in Chris. Many believe her to be selfish and extremely narcissistic, on account of her baseless belief that she is [[Daniel Weston|descended from]] [[Anne Boleyn|Tudor high nobility]], and the pathological manner in which she lies and assigns blame to others, even in instances where the fault clearly lies with her. All of these traits are shared by Chris, with Barb's apparent encouragement. Additionally, many aspects of her relationship with Chris are consistent with [https://web.archive.org/web/20201112020245/https://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/mothers-with-narcissistic-personality-disorder/ narcissistic motherhood], which is a fascinating but complex topic, too lengthy to be discussed in detail here. Although Chris seems to be her [https://web.archive.org/web/20201112024302/https://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/golden-child-and-scapegoat/ "golden child"], she does not shy from mistreating him if he displeases her. This can be seen in an email to [[Jackie]] from May 2011; Chris claimed that his mother flew into a rage over his [[tomgirl]] inclinations, forcing him to submit to a haircut and [[Death threats|threatening to kill him]].<ref name="jackie26"></ref>
===Hoarding===
Aside from her narcissism, Barb is also infamous to Christorians for her hoarding. During Chris's youth, she would create piles of clothes as tall as her son.<ref name=younger></ref> Chris has labeled her a "pack rat",<ref>[[Father Call]]</ref> and on more than one occasion has indicated his displeasure at her hoarding and the consequent state of [[14 Branchland Court|their house]], although neither he nor Bob are known to have ever seriously challenged it. Barb compulsively hoards her purchases, particularly from Goodwill, which, by [[2009]], had rendered the living room uninhabitable.<ref>[[Tour of Chris's House]]</ref> When Bob was admitted to the hospital for the final time, he was quarantined for bug bites, ostensibly due to the conditions in the Chandler household.<ref>[[Rocky Shoemaker call]]</ref> The situation did not improve after Bob's passing, either. A [[Tour of Chris's House II|second house tour video]] made by Chris in [[2013]] revealed that Barb's hoarding had gotten severe enough to render entire rooms completely inaccessible, with some rooms literally full of stuff to within inches of the ceiling, and others reduced to crevices carved into walls of junk.

Barb's hoarding was predicted by many to lead to disaster, and finally did on [[2014 house fire|10 January 2014]], when Chris accidentally started a house fire in the morning while trying to brew coffee in the bathroom, because the kitchen had been among the rooms blocked off by Barb's junk. Naturally, Barb's hoard provided ample kindling for the fire, and the house was severely damaged before the fire could be contained. In fact, given the state of the house in the second tour video, it's surprising that Chris and Barb were able to escape. Unsurprising, however, is the fact that one of the Chandlers' remaining cats died in the blaze, and one of the firefighters sent to the scene also suffered unspecified injuries.

While the Chandlers [[Rental House|relocated]], pending repairs to their home, Barb's stuff went into storage. When repairs were completed a year later, Barb had all of it moved back to 14 Branchland Court, and is not known to have disposed of any of it, even though, by all accounts, most of what she and Chris were able to salvage was subjected to either fire, smoke or water damage, rendering it completely useless. This was confirmed in April 2017, when Chris mentioned the laundry room contained a "mountain pile" of 20-40 bags of dirty, damaged clothing that had not been washed since the fire occurred.<ref>[[April 2017 Facebook posts#Offering The Classic shirt for $12,000 minimum]]</ref>
===Memory?===
Barb has also been long speculated to suffer from a form of dementia due to later video appearances (mostly begging videos) showing her as struggling with forming sentences without a degree of prompting by Chris. Some initially speculated that Chris and Barb were taking advantage of her feeble, elderly state for the purpose of emotionally manipulating their audience into giving them more donations out of pity, as there were other videos where Barb appeared to be more cognizant and seemed to be able to handle her own finances to some degree. Some people close to Chris, such as [[The Captain]], have proclaimed her to not have dementia.

{{quote|She's fully there mentally.. She can drive, hold a conversation, etc. But yeah I can't explain that [[Creepy stare|damn stare]] lol|The Captain<ref>[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Dementia Theory]]</ref>}}

However, this statement was made in [[2018]], and it's possible in the years following that she has developed a form of cognitive disability. In light of the [[Chris and sex#Incest|incest]] situation, in which Chris noted that she seemed "partially confused" on at least one of the occasions that he jumped her bones, how much of her situation was an act (presuming if any of it was) and how much is real has been called into question.

In the [[July 2021]] [[Incest Texts]], Chris claimed that Barb has memory problems (and that his incestuous acts were helping to heal her).

{{quote|She has had memory problems at time beforehand, yes, but she is being better stimulated in her mind and soul, and it Really Shows! Her mental processing speed is even going back up.|Chris}}

Barb was evaluated at a hospital after being separated from her son and was able to return to her home after he was incarcerated, though it should still be noted that the bar for being deemed qualified enough to take care of oneself is low. In [[June 2022]], a letter from Chris claimed that Barb is suffering from a "falling mentality", although it's not clear what that entails.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 27 June 2022]]</ref>

==Legal problems==
On [[28 October 2011]], Chris and Barb were caught in an incident with [[The GAMe PLACe]] and were actually arrested with several serious charges, with Barb's including felony assault and failure to stop. The two were later released on bail. After a succession of court hearings, Barb, along with her son, was arraigned on her felony charges on 10 July 2012. She was sentenced to community service and was put on a two-year probation, as well as being ordered to pay Michael Snyder's medical bills. When informed of the latter fact during the trial, Chris explained that his mother, a retired, obese, seventy-year-old woman, would take care of the charges for him. No one was particularly surprised at this revelation.

==Financial problems==
[[File:Barb's blankets ebay listings photos 01.jpg |Barb advertising blankets for sale in summer 2018.|thumb|250px]]

Barb lives off social security ({{w|Retirement Insurance Benefits}}) and a small pension from her old job; about $14,000 a year.<ref name=charbincome>[[CWCki Forums posts (Cousin Al)#Chris and Barbara's Income]]</ref>

In 2016, Barb was sued by a Discover bank in Norfolk for not paying [[debt]]s. This came to light on [[March 2016|March 14]], [[2016]], when sharp-eyed [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwis]] noticed that she had a hearing on March 16. Since grave neglect of her debt was likely the cause of her being taken to court, it was widely assumed that she would ignore the summons too. Instead, once the court records were updated, many were surprised to see that not only had Barb attended, but she had represented herself, too. Equally unsurprisingly, this bold move failed to pay off, and Barb was still sentenced to pay $4,706.93.<ref>[[:File:Barb discover bank result.png]]</ref>

Five months later, Barb was sued again, this time by Capital One, for the same reason. The hearing in September resulted in a Default Judgement against Barb, meaning that she did not bother attending. She owes Capital One $15,906.99.<ref>[[:File:Barb vs Capital One Bank result.png]]</ref>

Her out-of-control debt was the catalyst for the [[Financhu Crisis]] of 2016.

From June through July of that year, Barb appeared in three videos:

*[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]]
*[[Donations Requested, Please]]
*[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]

In the videos, she and Chris beg for donations, claiming to need money for her asthma medication and dental work (although they receive a combined amount of $2,500 per month from the government<ref name=charbincome></ref> and their costly hoards are clearly visible behind them). See the Appearances section for more appearances by Barb.

She has failed to take accountability for ruining the family's finances, trying to pin the blame on Chris,<ref>[[Patreon announcement]]</ref> even though her known debt of over $20,000 is much larger than Chris's.

She and Chris had an inheritance from Bob worth "tens of thousands of dollars" when he passed away, but Barb decided to frivolously spend it on [[Rob Bell]] in an attempt to gain exoneration for her [[assault and battery]] charge.

In the summer of 2018, she joined forces with Chris in selling stuff on [[eBay]], including items from her hoard and her autographs, which some fans bought.

==Appearances==

===In ''Sonichu''===
[[File:Bc.PNG|thumb|200px|Chris gets to live out his fantasy of being (and having) an adequate son.]]

In [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]], Barbara makes a brief appearance in "Classic Sonichu Strips".

In [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]], the male [[Dating education#In Sonichu|Dating Education]] students are given Barbara dolls to talk to.

In the 2015 revisions to [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris wrote out Blanca's character and replaced her with his mother.

According to the [[CWCipedia]], [[Sandy Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children]] go to Anneweston Elementary School.<ref>[[CWCipedia]] on [https://web.archive.org/web/20130831123750/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Wild_Sonichu Wild Sonichu]</ref> It is unknown whether or not Sonichu and Rosechu's children still go to that school after their [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children#Sonichu and Rosechu's children|evolution]].

[[File:Chandlers & Sonichus.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]

In [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], Barb is photoshopped into a "family photo" alongside Chris, Bob and the various Chus.

[[File:Borb, Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb|In ''Sonichu'' #12.]]

In [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]], Barb is in a set of pages that is a cross between Chris writing an autobiographical account of himself coming out as a tomgirl to his parents and a tribute to his late father.

Due to Chris's Oedipal complex, Barb is depicted as much more youthful than Bob, even though she was nearly 70 at the time. She is also drawn as being freakishly tall compared to Chris and Bob, despite being shorter than both in real life, though this may just be Chris's inability to keep his characters properly proportioned at work. Barb expresses surprise at her son's announcement of being trans. Chris states that she was "hesitant for a long while", but "got used to my subtle and more changes".

This is a drastic understatement, as the real-life Barb tried to stop his [[tomgirl]] lifestyle in ways including suicide threats, guilt trips (by claiming that she was worried Chris would kill her), paying him to stop cross-dressing, and even ordering him to submit to a haircut. If her attitude towards him cooled, it was only out of resignation rather than acceptance. Evidence of this is when she became angry with him again after finding out that he had successfully changed his name in 2016.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (MasterDisaster)#Name Change Drama]]</ref>

[[File:Chandler family as ponies.png|200px|thumb|left|Barb, pictured at left, as ''Sugar Darling'', in a [[My Little Pony|MLP]]-inspired drawing from [[August 2017]].]]

In August 2017, Chris unveiled a drawing of the Chandler family depicted as [[My Little Pony]] characters, saying they will make further appearances in [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]].

{{clear}}

===As toys===
<center><gallery>
File:LegoSnorlax.jpg|As [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] sees her in [[Lego]] form.
File:BarbAmiibo.jpg|Barb [[Amiibo]], complete with cleavage, which Chris offered for sale on [[Etsy]] in [[November 2015]].
File:Barb drawing Nov. '15.jpg|Promo drawing for the Amiibo.
File:BarbaraCard.jpg|As a [[TSSSF]] card. Note that Chris calls her a "redneck tomboy" and her power is to steal a shipping partner.
</gallery></center>

===Audio===
* Private Skype chat with [[Sarah May]].
* 4 [[February 2009]], [[Mumble 2]]: Barbara denies singing while vacuuming [[Chris's room]].
* 17 [[February 2009]], [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 2]]: Barbara talks to Chris but when Julie wants to talk to her, Barbara says she isn't "able to talk to anybody right now".
* [[March 2009]]: Barbara takes over the phone from Chris when Clyde [[Clyde#Prostitutes|calls after the date with Emily]].
* [[Kacey Call 15]]: Chris keeps [[Kacey]] on the phone for nearly fourteen minutes while Barb talks about the value of [[Chris and his Ego|humility]], her poor health, and her relationship with Bob, among other things.
* [[November 2009]], [[Kacey and Liquid Call]]: Barbara tells Chris to "just hang up on the bitch!"
* 10 [[August 2010]], [[Matthew Noble call]]: Barbara claims that Megan "lied" to Chris and abruptly hangs up mid-sentence. Throughout the call, she can be heard denying that she and Bob are the slightest bit in the wrong. At one point she complains about the time Michael Snyder kicked her and Chris out of the GAMe PLACe following Chris's final ban from the store.
* [[Prank calls]]: Barbara yells in the background and foreground of several prank calls.

===Videos===
{{Incomplete}}
Barbara has appeared in several videos: off-camera in the [[Christian Weston Chandler Interview]], and on-camera (for the first time) in [[You're Always Pretty]]. [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004|Two decade-old videos]] were leaked in December 2014 showing the Chandlers celebrating Christmas. Another video of her was recorded by a [[troll]] as she and Chris left court after his hearing in February 2015.

She has most frequently appeared during the [[Financhu Crisis]].

[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help|Two more]] [[Donations Requested, Please|videos]] were released in June 2016 showing Chris begging for donations to buy asthma pills for Barbara. Barbara is shown practically dead in both of these videos so [[Chris and Death|god only knows what will happen in the near future.]]

In a [[Donations Further Requested, Please|video]] released on 13 July 2016, Barbara joins her son in shamelessly e-begging. Her voice tired and hoarse, mouth agape, she stares directly into the camera like a deer caught in the headlights.

She resumed begging in a [[EMERGENCY HOME UPDATE|video]] from April 2017, in which she wears a [[$400 gold necklace]] while asking Chris's audience to give him $1,000 in exchange for his old [[Stamps|stamp album]].

She next appeared in [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]], when she walked in while Chris was recording.

After more uploads from Chris, Barb starred in another begging video uploaded on 24 May 2017, titled [[We Said Donations No Less than $1 00, US, Please]]. Chris removed the video the next day after people threatened to report him for elder abuse.

After the last failed attempt of getting donations, Barb and Chris engaged in yet another begging video on 16 June 2017, titled [[We need immediate funds, please]]. Ironically, she wore both the [[$400 gold necklace]] and a pearl necklace.

Almost a month had passed, without any appearances from Barb. With Chris getting decent amounts of funds from his [[Patreon]] account, there no longer seemed to be a desire to beg. On 14 July 2017, she makes a small voice-only cameo in a [[Soda Awawawawa Puccho Candy Response]], screaming at him for not closing the front door. She also comments in [[Solar Eclipse Vlogs]], asking Chris if he's ready to go back inside after the eclipse ends.

Barb's first appearance on video in 2018 was in [[Selling Vintage Comic Books (Cole Smithey’s Comic Books)]]. She appeared a couple of weeks later in [[Our signatures]] to demonstrate that her signature, a key selling point in the comic sales, was real. On 9 April, Barb appeared for the seventh time during the Financhu Crisis to beg in [[Buy Our Things off of my eBay to help us, Please.]]

On 16 April, a [[April 2018 Paid Video Requests|bizarre video of a few seconds of Barb standing in a doorway]] was posted to the [[CWCki Club]]. On the 17th, she appeared as a guest on Chris's [[Twitch]] stream.

On 8 May, Barb appeared in [[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE!]]. Two days later, Barb appeared in [[May 2018 Paid Video Requests|paid videos giving shout-outs to school shooters Nicholas Cruz and Adam Lanza]].

She watched Chris spray-paint his shoes (and his bedroom carpet) in [[Shoe Colouring]], sitting in the same room with poor ventilation.

In the summer of 2018, she appears in multiple videos to promote her partnership with Chris's eBay business: [[My Mother WORKED Hard, Spent Hard; Needs Money NOW.]], [[Barbara Chandler will be making out autographed photos and posters.]] and [[Barbara’s Blankets]]. She then begged for her car payment money in [[Mother needs a car payment]].

[[Barb confirms she isn't dead]] was her next appearance, a rare non-begging video.

Chris (possessed by [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]]) got Barb to appear on camera in [[Watching TF2 Analysis Anarchy Red Vs Blue Part 3]] (12 June 2020).

Barb gave a video shout-out to [[Cole]] in the [[September 2020]] video [[To Cole Smithey, from Barb, and Sonichu (Prime)]].

==Gallery==

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<gallery>
BarbWhenWeWereYoungSchool1.jpg|As we were young - School yearbook section, with photo of toddler Barb.
BarbWhenWeWereYoungSchool2.jpg|As we were young - Another photo of child Barb.
BarbaraLibraryClub56.jpg|1956 Library Club - Barbara standing third row, second to the left.
BarbJVBasketball.jpg|1956 Junior Varsity Basketball Team - Barbara sitting first row left.
1957BarbaraFHA.png|1957 Future Homemakers of America - Barbara sitting on grass first row very right, as seen with a red star.
BarbSafetyPatrol.jpg|1957 Randolph Henry safety bus patrol - Barbara kneeling, as seen with a red star.
BarbaraLibraryClub1957.jpg|1957 Library Club - Barbara the treasurer for Library Club.
BarbaraLibraryClub58.jpg|1958 Library Club - Barbara standing 7th to the right.
BarbaraSpanishClub1958.jpg|1958 Spanish Club - Barbara standing behind a few rows, as seen with a red star.
BarbaraCheerleader.jpg|1958 Cheerleaders - Barbara as a cheerleader.
BarbaraFHA1.jpg|1960 Future Homemakers of America 1 - Barbara the FHA treasurer sitting on the couch second to the left.
BarbaraFHA2.jpg|1960 Future Homemakers of America 2 - Barbara the FHA treasurer standing the first row in the middle.
BarbaraMonogramClub.jpg|1960 Monogram Club - Barbara standing first row, third to the left.
BarbaraSpanishClub.jpg|1960 Spanish Club - Barbara standing high up, as seen with a red star.
BarbaraBusPatrol.jpg|1960 Randolph Henry safety bus patrol - Barbara the reporter for RH safety bus patrol, wearing glasses standing first row left.
BarbaraSeniorDirectory.jpg|Barbara's senior year directory.
Image:Barbarafamilycensus1950.png|Barb and her family, 1950 census.
Image:Babs1956.PNG|Barb's 8th grade (or "Pre-Freshman") photo.
Image:Babs1957.PNG|Barb's freshman photo from high school.
File:Babs1958.png|Barb's sophomore photo from high school.
File:Barab?.JPG|Seen in the background of a 2020 photograph; this is Barb's wedding portrait at age 19 in 1961.
File:JerryBarb%26ColeDisasterHeadquarters.jpg|King Karnak, Barbie & Cole at the backstage of "Disaster Headquarters".
File:Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.png|Chris's family tree up to his great-great-grandparents.
Image:0002-1-Baby Chris and Mommy.jpg|Barbara with baby Chris. Oh, how full of hope and promise.
Image:0027-ChristopherWMom2.jpg|"Talk, you little idiot!"
Image:0026-ChrisAndMom.jpg
Image:0107-ChristianWMom.jpg|This is when ''[[The Simpsons]]'' went downhill.
Image:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg
Image:0096-MomRetire4.jpg|Barbara's retirement party from secretarial services at Virginia Power in 1996.<ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg|DVD, note 2]]</ref>
Image:0029-BarbaraWithDrinks.jpg
Image:0113-MomsBirthday97-1.jpg|From her 55th birthday.
Image:0229-ChristianAndMomInClass.jpg
Image:0037-BarbaraInGreen.jpg|Nothing says the 80s like a woman in a power suit and a lady tie.
Image:0041-BarbaraCorinaTomAndHerriet.jpg|Barb with [[Aunt Corrina]], Uncle Tom, and Aunt Harriet.
Image:0042-BarbaraCorinaHerrietAndElvis.jpg|The King left the building when he started to notice the foul smell of the house.
Image:0618-BarbaraIs60-1.jpg|Poor Barb, Chris put [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] on HER birthday cake.
Image:0074-BarbaraWSonicDoll.jpg
Image:0540-Prom2.jpg|It was originally believed this image was from Chris's graduation. Turns out this is from his senior prom, where he took his mom as his date.
Image:0549-Prom11.jpg|Barb talking to [[Tiffany Gowen|Tiffany]], one of Chris's [[gal pal]]s, at the prom.
Image:Babura.PNG|Barb [[You're Always Pretty|is always pretty]].
BarbMarch2012.png|Barb in 2012, having devolved from a Snorlax into a Munchlax.
File:SnoopyDoobieDoo.png|With [[Snoopy]] in [[2013]].
Image:Barb 2016.JPG|During 2016.
File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.
File:Chandlers.Png|Barb and Chris. Barb is interrupting Chris during a live [[YouTube]] stream.
File:Certificate of Authenticity with Barb's signature.jpg|Barb's signature on a Certificate of Authenticity, included with [[2018 Sales Listings|the purchase of one of Cole's comics]].
Barb autograph photo listing.jpg|Barb with an autographed photo of herself.
File:Chris's 37th birthday 2.jpg|Barb during Chris's 37th birthday.
File:BarbPhoto20Aug.jpg|[[August 2019]].
File:Barb 11-19-2019.jpg|Barb in [[November 2019]].
File:Barbjune2020.jpg|Barb during [[Analysis_Anarchy_Reaction_Livestreams#Watching_TF2_Analysis_Anarchy_Red_Vs_Blue_Part_3|a livestream]] in [[June 2020]]
File:Barb-Instagram-4.jpg|"And Barbara Anne Weston Chandler [[Chris and reality|still looks good for her wise age]]. [[May 2021|#happymothersday2021]]"
File:July11BarbPhoto1.jpg|Barb in [[July 2021]], showing off her new haircut [[July_2021_social_media_posts#Barbie_Chan|done by none other than Chris]]. [[Affair with Mother|Look at the fear in her eyes.]]
Barb in June 2022 drawing.png|Drawing of Barb by Chris in [[June 2022]]
barb2023.png|Barb, age 81, in [[August 2023]]. Notice how significantly she has aged.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1618sah/myself_and_uatahsia_drove_to_virginia_and_we_had/</ref>
BarbaraChandlerSeptember2024.png|Barb, age 82, in [[September 2024]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/September_2024_social_media_posts##KamalaHarris4President2024</ref>
File:Barbara Chandler at 14 Branchland Court 24 February 2025.jpeg|Barb, age 83, in [[February 2025]]<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1ixmffp/chris_chans_ex_girlfriend_on_his_birthday/</ref>
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==See Also==
*[[Affair with Mother]]
*[[Bob Chandler]]

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Barbara Chandler

2025-02-25T05:13:34Z

Cottonmather: A new clear Barb photo dropped for the first time in 4 years

{{Unreliable|type=cred|Barb has a long history of [[LoveYouLongTime_E-mails,_2011-2012#Borb_vs_MAGfest|manipulating]] people.|She might also have dementia or some other cognitive disability. Alternatively, she may be faking dementia symptoms on camera.}}
{{Needs Updating|[[The Place chats (December 2020)#Scary Barbara and Cirrusfire Rant]]|[[The Place chats - ProjectSNT#Browsing Kiwi Farms]]|[[An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021]]|[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]|[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]|[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]}}
{{Honest}}
{{Misinfo|Barb has not been confirmed to have dementia. It is impossible to know for sure, and, while theorization is okay, it is ideal not to confirm or deny it on this wiki without further evidence.}}

{{quote|I am close to my mother, but I would advise some space between you and your mother. And I recommend [[Love Quest|finding yourself]] a Girlfriend/Sweetheart to remain with in your later years of life. Mama's not gonna be around forever.|Chris feigns giving advice to a ''Sonichu'' fan.<ref>[[Mailbag 13#Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud...]]</ref>}}

{{quote|She [[Death threats|threatens to kill me]] in her episode of emotional rage.|Chris on Barb.<ref name="jackie26">[[Jackie E-mails 26]].</ref>}}

{{quote|Barbara was more of a “Guilty Pleasure” waifu|Chris [[Chris and escapism#Roleplaying|roleplaying]] as Magi-Chan, demonstrating his [[Chris and sex#Incest|Oedipus complex]].<ref>[[September 2019 social media posts#Barbara was more of a "guilty pleasure" waifu]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
|name = Barbara Chandler
|image = Barb2025-closeup.jpg
|birthname = Barbara Ann Weston
|aliases = Barb Bobcat [[Obesity|Snorlax]] [[:File:Chandler family as ponies.png|Sugar Darling]] Barbie Barbie Chan<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Decent flashlight]]</ref> lady friend<ref>[[Incest fallout chat leaks]]</ref> Merlin<ref>[[Jail Letter - 11 January 2022]]</ref>
|label3 = Date of Birth
|year = 1941
|month = 10
|day = 1
|nationality = [[United States|American]]
|race = White
|religion = Presbyterian
|spouse = Ran Coleman Yeatts Sr. (1961–1963, divorce) Walter Jerome Harmon Jr. (1968-1980, divorce) [[Bob Chandler|Robert Franklin Chandler, Jr.]] (1980–2011, his death)
|children = [[Cole Smithey|Joseph Cole Smithey]] [[Christian Weston Chandler]]
|father = Joseph Otto "Joe" Weston (1896–1955)
|mother = Carrie Edna Wynn (1911–1968)
|occupation = Magician's assistant (1967-1976) Substitute English teacher (Early 1960s) Office worker (retired)
|saga = {{saga|childhood|cn}}, {{saga|greene|cn}}, {{saga|highschool|cn}}, {{saga|gameplace|cn}}, {{saga|ivy|cn}}, {{saga|secondexile|cn}}, {{saga|incest|cn}}, {{saga|jail|cn}}
}}

'''Barbara 'Barb' Weston Chandler'''<ref>[[:File:Barbara Chandler Fail to Yield Right-of-Way charge.png]]</ref> (''née'' '''Weston''', formerly '''Yeatts''' and '''Smithey'''; born 1 {{w|1941#October|October 1941}}<ref name=Harvey155>https://web.archive.org/web/20170903151241/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d155.html</ref>) is the widow of [[Bob Chandler]] and the mother of [[Christian Weston Chandler]] and [[Cole Smithey]]. The sole recognition for her motherly qualities is the Mother of the Year [[2000]] Award Chris created for her.<ref>[[A Week With Christian Chandler#Page 13|A Week With Christian Chandler, page 13]]</ref> She has not won the award since.

Though Bob has remained relatively popular with [[trolls]] and Christorians alike, the same cannot be said for Barbara, who has been consistently disliked by nearly everyone but Chris and her late husband – with many members of her own family distancing themselves from her at least since at least the funeral of one of [[Aunt Corrina|Chris's aunts]]. Whereas Bob eventually recognized his shortcomings as a parent to Chris and attempted to correct them late into his life, Barbara has consistently been one of the biggest enablers of Chris's bad behavior since he was a child, on top of emotionally manipulating, threatening, and on occasion physically abusing him (elements which Chris would turn around and use on her later in her life). Barbara has been instrumental in turning Chris into the spoiled manchild that he is, and like Bob before her, has encouraged him not to seek a serious career path in favor of [[Monthly tugboat|getting welfare off of his condition]], in spite of the fact that he could get a minimum-wage job and still qualify for welfare.

It has long been suspected that she has some form of narcissistic personality disorder, which goes hand-in-hand with what we know about her neglectful to abusive relationship with Chris, along with his half-brother [[Cole Smithey]], who received a much worse treatment from her. Her hoarding habits also indirectly lead to the [[2014 house fire]], as sparks from a coffee maker that had no business being plugged into an extension cord in the bathroom burned the paper, plastic, and wood in the room before engulfing the house, and much of the [[Financhu Crisis]] is subsequently on her.

For much of the Classic Era of Christory, Barbara was extremely obese and napped a lot (earning her the nickname "{{w|Snorlax}}," after the fat, sleepy [[Pokémon]] of the same name), but she has since shed a ton of weight in her twilight years. This sharp loss of weight, loss of hair color, and knowledge of her son's status as a living internet meme all factored into her role in appearing in multiple begging videos.

On 27 [[June 2021]], Chris began [[Affair with Mother|an incestuous relationship with Barbara]],<ref>[[WCT DMs#New sweetheart]]</ref> claiming to have sex every three nights.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Every three nights]]</ref> A month later, on 27 [[July 2021]],<ref>[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]</ref> Chris decided to brag about the identity of his sexual partner [[Incest Call|in a call over the Signal app]] and [[Incest Texts|in text messages]] the following day. The material was leaked to the general public at approximately past midnight on 30 July; later that morning, a [[welfare check]] was conducted at [[14 Branchland Court]], and as a result, Chris was [[ban]]ned from the house and from contact with Barbara for a week, and Barbara was sent to the hospital for a senior care inspection.<ref name=nullsummary>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Summing Up Post-Incest Leak]]</ref> On 1 August, Chris was [[Incest Arrest|arrested at a motel in Richmond]] and charged with incest.<ref>[[:File:Charged.png]]</ref>

Barbara returned to her residence at some point in [[August 2021]].<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Status of 14 Branchland Court]]</ref><ref>[[Fan visits#e1ectricthunder]]</ref> In an [[October 2021]] letter to a fan, Chris mentioned that he had received a letter from Barbara during his stay in jail.<ref name=25letter>[[Jail Letter - 25 October 2021 (Virginia fan)]]</ref>

In [[November 2021]], Barbara failed to yield the right-of-way while driving<ref>[[:File:Barbara Chandler Fail to Yield Right-of-Way charge.png]]</ref> and was injured in a car crash from which she suffered two broken ribs and a concussion and her van was wrecked,<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Confirming Car Crash]]</ref> and she was helped to recover from it by extended family members.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 27 November 2021]]</ref>

Barbara and Chris no longer live together, with Barbara continuing to reside in [[Ruckersville]] and Chris moving to [[Big Island]], VA.

==Spelling of name==
Barbara's high school yearbook and both her marriage licenses spell her full maiden name as ''Barbara '''Ann''' Weston'', as do other sources like Harvey Powers's genealogical website<ref name=Harvey155/> (her divorce decree omits the middle name entirely). Chris, however, usually (though not consistently) spells her name as ''Barbara '''Anne''' Weston Chandler'' with an e. This may be because he believes she is named after [[Anne Boleyn]].

==Early life==
{{Quote|Her life was a Redneck Simple Country one. She had mastered sewing, mending, and making clothes and other farm-life facets and Church-Going habits.|Chris describes his mother's childhood<ref name=jailletter11may>[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]</ref>}}
[[Image:Barb1960.jpg|thumb|left|Barbara's senior photo from high school. While she looks pretty here, she would not age well.]]

Barbara is the fifth child (out of eight) of Joseph Otto "Joe" Weston (1896–1955), a lifelong [[RandomSong1|farmer]] and carpenter and Carrie Edna Wynn (1911–1968), a housewife and later a shoe company worker in Lynchburg.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C958-RFTD?i=1&cc=2377565&personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVRC-X438</ref> They married in February 1927, when Carrie was 15 years old and Joseph [[Pedofork|was 30]]. They lied about their ages in their marriage certificate.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20170825073641/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d141.html</ref><ref>https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZT-H9QK-J?cc=1726957</ref> Joe died in 1955, after falling from a horse-drawn wagon.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200603075643/http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html</ref> Barb's maternal grandfather was an alcoholic moonshiner, who carried out affairs and failed to provide even the most basic support for her mother's family.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20180425032751/http://www.harveypowers.com:80/wynn/wynn/d118.html</ref> For whatever reason, Barb believes that she is descended from [[Anne Boleyn]], but this is impossible given that Elizabeth I, Boleyn's only daughter, died without an heir. She also thinks that a more recent ancestor named [[Daniel Weston]] boarded the ''Mayflower'', but no such person exists.

[[Image:0839-MomDesi.JPG|thumb|Barb, emboldened by her hoard, evolved into a Snorlax over time.]]

Barb grew up in a low-income farming household in [[Wikipedia:Red Oak, Virginia|Red Oak, Virginia]], a rural area in the far south of the state. An early memory from when she was two years old was seeing her father covered in silver paint, having fallen off the roof of their house while painting it and nearly killed himself.<ref name=jailletter11may></ref> She graduated from {{w|Randolph-Henry High School}} in {{w|Charlotte Court House, Virginia}} in 1960. Due to family poverty, she was obliged to sew her own clothing.<ref name=younger>[[June 2021 social media posts#Chris larps as his younger self]]</ref> While at Randolph-Henry, she was treasurer of her school's chapter of the [[Women's rights|Future Homemakers of America]], a reporter of the Randolph-Henry safety bus patrol, a typist for her school yearbook, ''The Log'', and a member of the [[Spanish]] Club. She was also a member of many other school organizations, suggesting that she was very involved in extracurricular activities while in high school. She was also known for her perfect attendance record from her sophomore through her senior years of high school. According to her senior yearbook, her nickname in high school was Bobcat.

Barb had two boyfriends in high school, one of whom was [[Aunt Harriet and Uncle Tom|Tom Ashby]], who would later marry her younger sister Harriet. According to a [[January 2012 Facebook Posts#February is coming up|Facebook status]] Chris wrote on 29 January 2012, Barbara lost her virginity during her high school years. Why Chris knows this is anyone's guess, although it's possible that he learned the basic principles of [[Honest Content]] from Mommy Dearest. In a jail letter from 10 May 2022, however, Chris denies that Barbara ever had sex with her high school boyfriends, although he claims that her sisters accused her of doing so.<ref name=jailletter11may></ref>

According to a [[Incest Texts|leaked message]] to [[Bella]], Barbara has had sex with eight different men over the course of her life (not including Chris). Chris claims she told him that she has never [[mass debating|masturbated]].

Shortly after graduating from high school in 1960, Barb left Red Oak and, "...decided to set off on her own... [[Love Quest|in search for romance and her future]]." Apparently, she left in order to go to college, breaking off her relationship with Tom, who was one year her junior. After Barb moved away, "her siblings, cousins, and others in Redoak" began to spread rumors about her and call her a slut in her absence. Around this time her mother also disowned her.<ref>[[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails#Chris has scabies too]]</ref> As it turned out, her relationship with her family would never get much better. Barb's relationship with Harriet and Tom is especially strained. Chris stated in a leaked video that he and his mother are not liked by the members of the Weston family who have outlived Corrina.<ref>[[Message for John Kyle]]</ref>

According to Chris, Barb majored in "accounting and numbers."<ref name=younger></ref> Where Barb attended college is unknown, but it may have been {{w|Wake Forest College}}, where her future first husband, Ran Coleman Yeatts, was studying at the time. Wherever it was, she probably dropped out in 1961, when he graduated and married her. Her divorce report with Jerry and marriage certificate to Bob both say that she had not completed any years of college education.

==Cole and his various fathers==
[[Image:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|thumb|left|Cole visits for Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday]].]]

From approximately 1961 through 1980, Barbara lived in [[Richmond]]. At one point, she aspired to be an English teacher and occasionally filled in for other teachers as a substitute.<ref>[[Regina_e-mails#Chris_answers_a_bunch_of_questions,_is_still_a_virgin]]</ref><ref>[[Rental_House_Tour#Barb's_family_heritage]]</ref> Ultimately, however, she ended up working in a series of secretarial roles, including at {{w|Reynolds Metals Company International Headquarters|Reynolds Metals Company}}.<ref>[[Miyamoto_emails#A_Word_from_Snorlax]]</ref>

Over the course of Barb's adult life prior to meeting Bob, she had relationships with five men, three of whom are known by name.<ref name=jailletter11may>[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]</ref>

Barbara gave birth to [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] in 1963. Throughout his life, Barbara has lied to Cole about who his father is.

Based on his experiences with various stepfathers, [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] thinks that Barbara has a "...proclivity to isolate herself via scurrilous mates."<ref name="coleemail2">[[:File:Cole 07-03-06-2.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 2]]</ref> The use of "scurrilous" in this statement makes no sense, suggesting [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] tries to use [[Chris and English|big]] words to impress people – a family trait, perhaps.

===Ran Coleman Yeatts===
[[Image:RanColemanYeatts-WakeForestHowler1961.png|thumb|right|Cole's [[TRUE and HONEST]] biological father, Ran Coleman Yeatts Sr., from the 1961 Wake Forest College yearbook.]]
[[Image:Barb1961WeddingPortrait.png|thumb|left|Barbara in her wedding dress at age 19, June 1961]]

Records found by Cole in Richmond show that Barb married one '''Ran ''Cole''man Yeatts''', a personnel analyst for DPT, on June 17, 1961. Yeatts was born on 27 December 1939 in {{w|Pittsylvania County, Virginia}} but grew up in {{w|South Hill, Virginia|South Hill}}, a town about 35 miles east of Red Oak which also happens to be the hometown of Barb's mother Carrie and her moonshiner dad. Yeatts graduated from {{w|Park_View_High_School_(South_Hill,_Virginia)|Park View High School}} from South Hill in 1957 and later that year he was enrolled at {{w|Wake Forest College}} in {{w|Winston-Salem, North Carolina}} (now Wake Forest University).<ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28659?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=94&r=0&xywh=2347%2C1534%2C681%2C414</ref><ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28685?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=77&r=0&xywh=1396%2C1140%2C926%2C414</ref><ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28686?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=81&r=0&xywh=460%2C1252%2C1363%2C609</ref><ref>https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28677?ln=en#?c=0&m=0&s=0&cv=64&r=0&xywh=2241%2C1842%2C1441%2C875</ref> An {{w|Alpha Sigma Phi}} brother, he graduated from Wake Forest with a BA degree in human resources management in spring 1961, a few months before he and Barb married.<ref>http://www.archive.org/stream/howler1960wake/howler1960wake_djvu.txt</ref> Coincidentally, Bob Chandler was also living in Winston-Salem around the same time, where he was married to Patricia Faye Harley and working as an engineer.

According to their marriage certificate, Ran, a technician for The Virginia State Highway Department, was living in Richmond at the time of the marriage, while Barb, a secretary for Glidden Company of Richmond, was still living in Red Oak. Although however, two newspaper articles from April and June 1961 stated that Barb was already living in Richmond. They were married at a Baptist church in {{w|Wylliesburg, Virginia}} near Red Oak (which the divorce documents misspell as "Sylliesburg").

A divorce was granted to Barb on 15 May 1963, at which point she was pregnant with Cole and living in Richmond. The decree states that Ran deserted her on 28 April 1962, although the final digit in "1962" appears to have been altered from a "3". The divorce license lists zero children. Cole was born two months later, on 24 July 1963.

To further fuel Cole's rage, Yeatts would visit him during his childhood and be introduced as a "friend of the family".<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" /> After Cole hired a private detective, Barbara hung up on him when he called to ask about his father.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />

Yeatts later remarried and died aged 67 on 6 June 2007. His obituary in the ''Richmond Times-Dispatch'' makes no mention of Cole or Barb, although it indicates that Ran had a grandson also named Cole.<ref>[https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/timesdispatch/name/ran-yeatts-obituary?id=5417433 Ran Yeatts Obituary]</ref>

Per the [[Cole Smithey E-mails]], it appears that Barb's nickname for Ran was '''"Ramblin' Randy"''', although there is a slim chance that nickname refers to another ex-lover of Barb's whom we know nothing about.

<center><gallery>
File:BarbYeattsEngagementNewspaper.png|April 1961 - Charlotte Gazette newspaper about Barb and Ran's engagement announcement.
File:June1961MarriageArticleOfWestonYeatts.png|June 1961 - Richmond Times Dispatch newspaper about Barb and Ran's marriage announcement.
File:1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license.jpeg|1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license
File:1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce.jpeg|1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce
</gallery></center>

===Jack Smithey===
Barb insists that Cole's father is '''Jack Dale Smithey,''' to whom she claims she was once married. However, Cole was unable to find a marriage license for the couple or any photographs from their alleged wedding.<ref name="coleemail2" /> Indeed, Christorians have been frustrated in their efforts to locate any such evidence; their ability and persistence in documenting everything Chris-adjacent rivals that of any private detective. In 1995, Cole's friend, syndicated cartoonist {{w|Ted Rall}}, made an Internet post questioning the whereabouts of Jack Dale Smithey. According to the post, Smithey lived in Richmond in 1963 (the year Cole was born) and was a Merchant Marine. He later worked as a trucker for Pilot Trucking in North Carolina but had not been heard of since 1964.<ref>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SURNAMES/1995-04/0798938259</ref> Cole eventually hired a private detective who tracked down Jack Smithey in {{w|Sarasota, Florida}}.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails">[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref>

Although there is no hard evidence that Barb was ever married to Jack, newspaper articles from the 1960s indicate that she used the surname Smithey up until she married Jerry Harmon in 1968. According to Barbara (as quoted by Chris), she and Jack had a "fancy" wedding which was attended by her sisters and mother. Chris told Cole that Barbara considers Jack "a total drunk and loser".<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails">[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref>

In [[July 2021]], (in the middle of his incestuous affair with her), Chris asked Barbara about her relationship with Jack.

{{quote|Short story of it is that Jack and Barbie went out, sexed up, knocked her up.

Then he hit the road; was not in it to be a daddy. The life on the open road called out to him more.|Chris on Jack}}

Chris also mentioned that no photos of Jack were kept at home, though they did have photos of Jerry.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Barbara's ex]]</ref>

Jack died in 2010 at the age of 81 in Winston-Salem.

===Jerry Harmon===
[[Image:JerryHarmonandBarb.PNG|thumb|Jerry Harmon performing magic tricks with Barb assisting him, December 1968.]]
[[Image:Jerry_Harmon_WRVA_Bio.JPG|thumb|Jerry's employee bio in a booklet published by radio station WRVA, 1950.]]

'''Walter Jerome "Jerry" Harmon, Jr.''' was Barbara's second (or third) ex-husband and the alleged sinister stepfather of [[Cole Smithey]], Chris's older half-brother. Jerry was born on July 1st, 1931 in {{w|Springfield, Massachusetts}} but grew up in {{w|Millboro, Virginia}} and later Richmond. Jerry's father died when he was 18 months old.<ref name="HarmonVDAdamo">https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/va-supreme-court-records-vol195/14/</ref> Much like Bob, Jerry had a technical background; he had graduated from {{w|Capitol Technology University}} (then Capital Radio Engineering Institute) in {{w|Laurel, Maryland}} and worked as a {{w|Broadcast_engineering|broadcast engineer}} at local radio station WRVA around 1950.<ref>https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Station-Albums/WRVA-25th-II.pdf WRVA 25th Anniversary booklet, W. Jerome "Jerry" Harmon bio top center of page 8.</ref> In April 1951, Jerry fathered a child out of wedlock with Nancy Louise Janetos. The mother offered the child up for adoption until she and Jerry married in September of 1951. The couple eventually regained custody of their baby in 1953 following a legal case ''Harmon v. D'Adamo''<ref name="HarmonVDAdamo" /> that was taken all the way to the Virginia Supreme Court. At some point, Jerry ended up in the military, which Cole has written about in two articles. According to Cole, Jerry was a combat medic during the Korean War before switching his role to train his soldiers in specialized combat techniques, such as decapitation using piano wire (with watermelons standing in for actual heads during this training). He was also a captain in the Civil Air Patrol and would pilot planes during and after the Korean War. One time, he was injured after crash-landing his plane during a fighter pilot mission in Korea.

According to the adoption court case records, Jerry wished to further study medicine at {{w|University of Richmond}}, though it is unclear if this ever happened. Somewhat ironically, while married to Barb, Jerry served in different roles with the Richmond [[Chris and mental healthcare|Mental Health]] Association,<ref>https://www.newspapers.com/image/829546397/?terms=%22Jerry%20Harmon%22%20&match=1 Richmond Times-Dispatch 28 Jan 1973</ref> where he was known for building a model of the human nervous system, which he brought to speaking engagements.

Barbara claims to have married Jerry after her relationships with Jack Dale Smithey and Ran Coleman Yeatts. However, in the course of Cole's investigation into his family history, he was unable to find a marriage certificate.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" /> That being said, there is a divorce record which claims that Jerry and Barbara married on 18 June 1968 in Washington D.C. and divorced on 7 January 1980 after one year of living apart, three weeks before Bob had divorced his first wife Patricia. In a Facebook comment from 2020, Cole claims that Jerry adopted him in 1966.<ref>https://www.facebook.com/blendonlodge339/posts/1084760088251976</ref><ref name="colesmithey">https://www.colesmithey.com/articles/2017/09/operation-snowball-my-first-career-in-show-business.html</ref>

{{quote|I grew up in an abusive household with Barbara and my former stepfather Jerry, where physical and mental punishments ran the gamut from bare-assed beatings to cold showers to bizarre scenarios acted out with glee by two deeply neurotic adults... Even at a very young age, I knew that they would abandon me. They were both irresponsible and incompetent parents who exposed me to traumas that I would rather not remember.|Cole on Barb and Jerry's parenting skills.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />}}
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{{quote|He might not have been the best dad, but Jerry was a humanitarian, as evidenced by his actions.|Cole being more charitable towards Jerry.<ref name="colesmithey" />}}
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[[Image:JerryBarb&Cole.jpg|thumb|Jerry Harmon with Barbara and young Cole in late 1960s/early 1970s]]
In both his article "[[Saturday Night Special]]" and "[[Operation Snowball|Operation Snowball: My First Career in Show Business]]," Cole would further elaborate on his first stepfather in his early life and later life (look above). According to Cole, Jerry was a professional magician for decades since he was 20, was a dedicated {{w|Freemasonry|freemason}} and was an active member of the Invisible Lodge. Jerry lived with Barbara in a second-floor apartment adjacent to the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond during the early 1970s. Jerry allegedly kept a gun in his nightstand drawer, which his stepson would play with, and was out cheating on his wife when an intruder came to the apartment, forcing Barb to retrieve and fire the gun to scare them off. The shot ricocheted off the floor and the apartment's steel door and nearly killed Cole as a result, hitting the wall a hair's breadth behind his head. Cole would later remove the first article from his blog.

Cole describes how Jerry, Barb, and himself took part in an annual traveling magic show which performed at mental hospitals and veteran hospitals in Virginia every [[Christmas]] season from 1967 to 1976. The trio performed under the name of "King Karnak, Barbie, and Cole". Each show would end with Jerry chopping off Barb's head with a guillotine. During this time and later of his life, Jerry worked as a radio announcer for WEZS radio station. Cole claimed that the former Virginia Governor {{w|Mills Godwin}} would pilot them around in a Cessna Twin-Engine plane to their magic show and Jerry would sometimes pilot the plane.

Cole would further elaborate more about Jerry. He was an ambulance driver for the Richmond volunteer rescue squad; he also taught [[Jerkop|police recruits]] Standard First Aid before he began working for the mental health agency headquartered at Monument Avenue. Cole even said that Jerry cared about mental health movements so much that the whole purpose for the magic show performance at local hospitals were to provide entertainment for the patients, war veteran patients and mentally ill patients. Aside from this, Jerry was also the owner of his own company Karnak Enterprises, which specializes in production work, special effects and entertainment.<ref name="colesmithey" /><ref>https://www.facebook.com/blendonlodge339/posts/1084760088251976</ref><ref name=sjf>http://sjf.stparchive.com/Archive/SJF/SJF01221981P08.php</ref> Interestingly, Jerry married a woman named Rose LaNora Lotts in 1981, whom he first met when she was employed as an assistant for his "King Karnak" act, suggesting that she replaced Barb in more ways than one.<ref name=sjf></ref>

<center><gallery>
File:JerryAndBarbDivorce.png|1980 1 7 - Barb and Jerry's divorce record
</gallery></center>

==Life with Bob==
{{quote|He is only interested in making things look like he did 'em, it was his idea and I really didn't have anything to do with it. Even when I help him. I get no credit for anything. He never gives me credit to my face. Or if he's talking to anybody else. Just like he tells you sometimes, “Well I don't get no help from your mother.”|Barb ranting about her husband to Chris<ref>[[Kacey Call 15]]</ref>}}

[[File:Bob&BarbMay2000.png|thumb|Nearly happy looking Borb in 2000]]
[[File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg|thumb|1980 6 7 - Borb's marriage license]]

[[Bob Chandler|Bob]] and Barbara met at "Maddy's Pub" in Richmond<ref>[[April 2012 Facebook posts#Fear of the future]]</ref> (probably Matt's British Pub in Shockoe Slip, where Bob was a sing-along leader)<ref>[[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]]</ref> one night in 1979. Barbara was there with friends and [[Bob]] was singing.<ref name=annivspecial>[[The 24th Wedding Anniversary Special]]</ref> Cole's friend Chuck, who worked at the bar, vividly recalled them being a pair of drunken dumbasses.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-1.PNG|24 July 2007 email #1 from Cole to Chris]]</ref> According to Chris, Barbara did the [[How to Talk to Girls|pursuing]]: "She chased him down the hall." They married in 1980.<ref name=annivspecial></ref> Chris claims that, "Barbara, In her own words, Married him because 'He owned a house'."<ref name=jailletter11may></ref> Later that year Bob was transferred from Richmond to [[Charlottesville]]. They settled in the outlying suburb of [[Ruckersville]].

Barbara worked for several years as a finance secretary for numerous companies and businesses, included Virginia Power (VEPCO, today called [[Wikipedia:Dominion Energy|Dominion Energy]]) and First North American National Bank (partnered with {{w|Circuit City}}.)<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Date_with_Emily#Eating_spaghetti_and_conversing_(0:36:49%E2%80%930:44:46):~:text=Bob%3A%20And%20uh%2C%20she%20worked%20for%2C%20um%2CCircuit%20City%20for%20a%20while%20before%20she%20retired.</ref>
<ref name=younger></ref>

In September [[1993]], Chris and Bob moved from Ruckersville to Chesterfield County near Richmond so that Chris would be able to attend middle school at a mainstream school.<ref>[[Chris's Wikipedia profile#His Early Years - Birth to 1992]]</ref> Barbara did not accompany them and remained in Ruckersville. Chris claimed that the separation allowed Barbara to continue working at her job until retirement and that she still visited Bob and Chris every weekend during the time she lived separately from them. After going into retirement when Chris was in the eighth grade (early 1996), Barbara came to live with her husband and son in Chesterfield.<ref>[[Mailbag 32#Chris is no stranger to stupid name changes]]</ref><ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg]]</ref>

With both Barbara and Bob retired, they spent their twilight years from 2000 onward living in their Ruckersville home with Chris. It is difficult to ascertain what their relationship was like, but sources such as the tour of the house would suggest that Chris's parents neglected the [[14_Branchland_Court|family home]] and spent most of their time apart in separate areas of the house. According to Chris, Barbara had not had sex with Bob for at least two decades before his death. They began sleeping in different rooms sometime around the mid-2000s "because they're not as close as they should, used to or can be".<ref>[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]</ref> It can be presumed that as they got older, they grew more distant, but never to the point of wanting a divorce.

Barbara became a widow on 6 September 2011 when Bob died.<ref name="BobObit">http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071324/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailyprogress/obituary.aspx?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600</ref>

==Relations with Chris==

[[File:Barbara1993cropped.png|thumb|Barb c. 1993.]]
[[Image:0033-MommasBirthday.jpg|thumb|Age was not kind to Barb.]]

===Abuse and manipulation===
{{quote|And he told me of mom saying she was going to pack up and leave the house, then I ran downstairs, finding her on the couch; she was soo miserable and sad; she talked of Wanting to Die, "you don't even have to change my clothes, you can just bury me in what I have on." I was soo sad and crying and soo sorry for the way I misbehaved; we hugged and made up a bit.|An example of Barb's manipulation.<ref name=magfest>[[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2011-2012#Borb vs MAGfest]]</ref>}}

Barb has had a long history of abusing and/or [[Chris and manipulation|manipulating]] her children. For example, she has often used threats of suicide to guilt Chris into obeying her whims. When Bob and Chris once tried to discuss cleaning the hoard with Barb, she responded by threatening suicide.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Barb's Hoarding]]</ref>
She also threatened suicide to her family during the [[Ivy]] Saga, supposedly as a response to the stress she was going through.<ref name="IvyQ&A"/>

In an episode from 2011, when Chris failed to book himself a hotel room for [[MAGfest]], due to being broke, and planned to sleep in his car,<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 29]]</ref> Barb prevented him from going by pointing out the, "...crime risk and chilly temperatures," threatening to lock him out of their house, claiming that she would pack up and leave, and later told him she wanted to die. After Chris folded and went to his room to cry about it, she gave him a "half-payment of a copy of DC Universe Online to make up for not allowing [him] to go."<ref name=magfest></ref> Later that year, after Chris became a [[tomgirl]], Barb tried to stop him from wearing dresses and make-up by telling him she feared he would kill her. She then ordered him to sit down, and she cut his hair.<ref name="jackie26"></ref>

In addition, Barb has used the specter of old age for her own gain, by manipulating Chris into thinking she will have a heart attack. This tactic has been used so often that Chris will panic and call 911 if Barb does not answer the phone when he calls her to check up on her when he is out of the house.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Welfare Check on Barbara]]</ref> When Barb and Chris were both arrested for [[assault and battery]], Chris was extremely worried about her health, saying in an email:

{{quotebox|My mother fought the police in my defense, and she was handcuffed and I was emotionally distraught, I screamed and Screamed and SCREAMED, until an ambulance came for my mother to take her to UVA Hospital; she was okay, but her Blood Pressure was high.

I prayed a LOT to Jesus for my release and safe return home with my mother. And I banged the cell door with both my feet while lying on a folding mattress on the floor (to get those bastards to let me see and talk to my mother

Only after seeing my mother in her suit pass by my second cell, did I start to calm down. I was REALLY WORRIED about my mother and her health. She Needed Me, and I Needed Her.}}

[[Marvin]] summed up Chris's relationship with Barb:

{{quoteboxgreen|Well, I don't think they talk very much. However, no, Chris is Barb's hand servant. She screams for him and he comes running. She has him change the newspaper the dogs shit on, she has him run errands to bring her stuff, and she used to have him haul her goodwill crap to the car, and then from the car into the house.

''...''

I think Barb's yelling has gotten much less frequent nowadays. It seems like she's pretty feeble nowadays. Chris is just as scared of Barb as he used to be though. I don't think he realizes how much power he has over Barb nowadays.

They're really physically affectionate in a strange way. Chris is pretty touchy feely with women because of habits he learned by spending time with Barb.<ref name=qualified>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Barb and Chris]]</ref>}}

After Bob died, Barb's abuse of Chris escalated. According to Marvin, she treated him as a hand servant and forced him to be on-call at all times. Around [[2013]], she forced Chris to move out of his bedroom, specifically so she could bark orders at him more efficiently, by throwing a tantrum and wrecking his possessions.

{{quoteboxgreen|a few months to a year before the fire, Chris stopped being permitted to sleep separately from Barb, in his bedroom. He had to sleep closer to Barb, because she needed to be able to yell for him to go to [[sheetz]] and buy her crap, and he wasn't able to hear her up in his bedroom. He kind of tried to resist at first, but then she got super pissed and threw a tantrum. She wrecked his room and like flipped everything over because he was trying to sleep on his own.<ref name=qualified/>}}

===Financial exploitation===
{{quote|she is also being Very Annoying. “Christine, Let’s put this random good item on eBay. I REALLY Need the Money for not only my bill payments, but also, we need more food here. I am greedy too.”

“OH! You sold something of Yours? I Want $50 From That”, she is constantly pestering and bugging me. Nowadays, Nearly every time she comes downstairs to talk or chill, my Impulsive, Subconscious feeling of her presence is Cringe and “Oh, No! She’s gonna Bug Me Again of the Da** Finances Again!”|Chris<ref>[[September 2018 social media posts]]</ref>}}

===Pampering===
{{quote|Yeah, but then my Mom is pretty much jealous of me loving another woman more than her.|Chris, describing his {{w|Oedipus complex}}.<ref>[[Mumble 10]]</ref>}}

{{quote|Yes, dear.|Chris, addressing Barb<ref>[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]]</ref>}}

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[[Image:0028-ChristopherWMom1.jpg|thumb|[[Affair with Mother|Horrifyingly qualifies as foreshadowing.]]]]

According to Cole, Bob and Barbara left Chris alone every day for years with the [[abusive babysitter]] while going out drinking, effectively ignoring the manifestation of the earliest symptoms of autism.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-3.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 3]]</ref> After Chris's initial diagnosis, and after their negligence was inevitably thrown back in their face, Barbara resorted to any means necessary to coax Chris into talking, most notoriously by bribing him with toys.<ref>[[Song of Christian]]</ref>

[[Image:ImWorkingOnIt.png|thumb|left|Chris and Barbara in an intimate moment. A less subtle case of foreshadowing.]]

While both of Chris's parents are largely responsible for his current state, Barb has more often than not been the most active in protecting Chris from recognizing any failure or shortcoming on his part, doing everything from being his sole commission with [[Cutco]] to going as his date to his [[Manchester High School#The Senior Prom|senior prom]].

This pattern of accountability continues even into Chris's adult years. On at least two occasions, most notably after he was banned permanently, Barbara visited [[the GAMe PLACe]] attempting to protect and defend her little snowflake and argue his case with [[Michael Snyder]], but to no avail.

Barbara constantly babies Chris and tells him how handsome he is.<ref>[[Sonichu Girls]] and [[White knight emails]]</ref> She also told Chris that the reason he often "blanks out" or gets confused is not that he is an absent-minded, slothful buffoon, but that he is a "[[Chris and art|creative genius]] and is simply overwhelmed by having so many creative ideas".<ref>[[Kacey Call 12]]</ref>

However, it seems that even Barb has her limits. Like Bob, she was [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Coming out to my parents|ashamed of Chris's effeminate escapades]], claiming that she did not raise a daughter, and that "tomgirl" is not a thing. [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Mothers|She tried and failed]] to get Chris to stop wearing a bra and panties, even offering to pay him to stop.

===Chris and the Internet===
As first evidenced by the "GAMe PLACe/4Chan picture" incident, Barbara has some concerns over Chris's online misadventures, likely because she fears that he'll [[Jerkhief|get]] [[Bagget|arrested]] and [[28 October 2011|go to prison]]. Given some of the violent states of some of his videos and Chris's [[Arrest|track record]], she is probably not too far from the truth. She also felt Chris could be vulnerable to entrapment, as she tried to discourage Chris from meeting with [[Blanca]] because she thought it was possible Blanca would have ended up being part of a sting operation that could have resulted in Chris's arrest.<ref>[[Mumble 10]]</ref> As it turned out, Blanca was not real and was only a persona cooked up by Internet [[trolls]] seeking to humiliate Chris. She tried to screen another suspicious troll by interrogating [[Ivy]] for about half an hour, but ultimately let her speak to Chris.<ref name="IvyQ&A">[[Ivy Q&A]]</ref> Barbara even seems to suspect that [[Megan Schroeder]], one of the few women Chris has known who ''was not'' out to troll him, is partially responsible for the persecution he has endured over the years.

===Intimate behavior===
{{See also|Affair with Mother}}

From [[LittleBigPlanet]] [[Autism Tutorial Part 2]], Chris advised the parents of autistic children to "give them hugs..., even if they don't want to" and mentioned that Barb never stopped hugging him as a child, even when he didn't want to and then "eventually felt the love". Some children with ASD struggle with physical closeness regardless of the context. This experience may have decreased Chris's sense of personal space & boundaries, thinking that it's normal to hug, kiss, and touch females without their consent, even after they have explicitly told him not to.

{{quote|I, myself, Did have dreams of having sex with my mother.|[[August 2016 Facebook posts#Incestuous Thoughts|One result of Barb's parenting choices, as explained by Chris in August 2016.]]}}

To cap off their relationship, Chris revealed in private conversations with multiple people that Barb has spooned with him.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGU4nSlX0M ''PVCC NEW info: on Chris and Barbara spoon eachother!'' (YouTube)]</ref>

From [[Arthur Spatchcock]], on Chris sharing a bed with his mother:

{{quoteboxred|Story time, kids. Now most of us are aware of the fire; how Barb and Chris were displaced for some time while the house was getting renovated. You know how Chris was all whiny about his legos, right? Some getting melted, shit like that...well he kind of left out that his own bed was ruined as well given it had years of grease soaked into it because not bathing is so chic in his eyes. So when they got back home Chris didn't have his own bed anymore so he was sharing one with Barb instead. This came with the horrifying addendum that Barb wanted to spoon with him; I don't know if he was little spoon or big spoon but I know she was unimpressed and one night just unloaded on him angrily enough that Chris decided to get his own bed with his own money. So it goes without saying that from the time Chris and Barb got back home [[DStecks|until he got that grand]] he was sleeping in the same bed as his mother.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20190423212237/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-4-11-e-begging-intensifies.19356/page-5</ref>}}

In August 2016, the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] observed Chris and Barb in public during a court hearing:<ref>[[26 December 2014]]</ref>

{{quoteboxgreen|Barb and Chris are way too physically intimate. It's one thing to describe their creepy relationship, it's quite another to watch it IRL. They hold hands and Chris is always putting his arm around her and rubbing her shoulders sensually. That's shit I'd do to someone I'd want to bang. Not a family member. It's weird.}}

{{quote|I am not a "Bates". OMG.|Chris, in denial<ref>[[Misc texts]]</ref>}}

[[File:Home.png|thumb|right|{{w|Apocalypse Now|"The horror. The horror."}}]]

Barb's habit of cuddling with Chris had been going on since Bob was alive, and he knew of it, but, due to Barb's manipulation, he was not able to stop her.<ref>http://archive.is/zwWV9</ref> In [[August 2016]], Chris [[Honest content|admitted]] to having [[Chris and sex#Dreams of sex with Barb|incestuous fantasies about Barb]], prompting further analysis of their uncomfortably intimate relationship. Chris sometimes refers to her as [[Darling|"dear" or "darling"]], as he usually does for [[DoopieDoOver|would-be sweethearts]]. In his [[Twitch#CLog 04172018 - Buy My Toys|April 2018 Twitch stream]], when Chris got his mother to reluctantly say "[[Random-access humor|turn me loose, you silly goose]]" after hugging him, he commented that she "used to do that more [[Chris and English|flirtingly]]".

In [[June 2021]], not long before his [[Affair With Mother|incestuous relationship]] with his mom allegedly began, Chris, [[Honest Content|completely unprompted]], claimed in a [[Facebook]] post that he and Barb had never slept in the same bed:<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#CPU stuff and Barb]]</ref>

{{quotebox|Also, during the time my mom and I slept in my bedroom, we slept in Separate Furniture; she slept on the couch, and I slept in the bed. She and I Never ever had slept in the same bed together during those short months between ‘11 and ‘12.

Never in the same bed. ⚡️💙⚡️}}

Throughout 2021, Chris was feeling several instances of sexual frustration, hitting on [[MKRNightVee|several]] [[Annie Ikenberry|women]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|of]] [[Fiona|interest]]. It has gotten to the point where Chris would release all of this sexual tension on Barbara in mid-June, where he would continuously have sexual intercourse with her every three days. The context in which this has all happened is hazy at best, as information on the affair primarily came from an [[Incest Call|infamous call]] where he describes incestuous acts, and a few leaked chats Chris had with people. Throughout his affair with Barbara, Chris would hint at having such an affair online, calling Barbara a "sweetheart over 50". Sometime after [[Fiona]] had leaked a chunk of the call on a Discord Server, which would soon after be posted onto various websites by her friends, several concerned observers would contact authorities about the affair, leading to his arrest.

===Post-incest===
{{dated}}
A major change that came from the summer 2021 incestuous [[Affair with Mother]] is that Barbara and Chris no longer live together as of late [[July 2021]]. On the 30th, Chris was served an Emergency Protective Order [[ban]]ning him from [[14 Branchland Court]] (Barbara's house in which he had lived).<ref name=nullsummary></ref> After his nearly two-year stay in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]] on a charge of incest, Chris went to live at [[Gateway Homes]] for a brief time, then [[Caden Peck]] financed a home in [[Big Island, VA]] in which Chris currently lives.

Chris has been observed returning to 14 Branchland Court. On 4 [[September 2023]], a [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]] user photographed his [[Son-chu|car]] in the driveway.<ref>[[Fan visits#nemo1316]]</ref> On 7 [[November 2023]], another r/ChrisChanSonichu user claimed to have seen both Barbara and Chris at the house. The user alleged that Chris mentioned having taken Barbara shopping and that he was taking some belongings to his house.<ref>[[Post-jail sightings (2023)#14 Branchland Court]]</ref> In [[April 2024]], ''[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]'' creator GamerFromMars claimed that Chris had told him that he visits Barbara about once a month.<ref>[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy#Interview comments]]</ref>

[[File:X - Kamala Harris 2024 sign1.jpeg|thumb|150px|Barbara seen at center window]]
Chris has also occasionally alluded to returning to the house on social media. On 22 [[April 2024]], he uploaded [[Harvesting Process, Gravel at the Sonichu Temple]], which shows him gathering gravel in the driveway. In [[September 2024]], he posted photos of his custom-drawn [[yard]] sign supporting [[Kamala Harris]]'s run for the presidency; in one photo, Barbara can be glimpsed in the window. In [[November 2024]], Chris informed fans that his PO Box had been closed in error, and that they could send mail to 14 Branchland Court instead. Chris noted that either the mail would be forwarded to him, or he would personally retrieve it.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Lynchburg P.O. box closed]]</ref>

==Pets==
{{quote|They both need some serious training, and my mom recently met, and flirted with, a verified "Smith" who is a pro dog trainer. He offered to train the beagles for a discount from his original rate.|Chris in [[2012]]<ref>[[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2011-2012#Dogs]]</ref>}}
As of [[March 2024]], Barbara's pets are the beagle [[Clover and Snoopy|Clover]] and some of the [[Chandler Cats]]. Barbara has a history of neglect towards the pets.

Clover, as well as her deceased brother Snoopy, were acquired as puppies by Barbara and Chris. It had been Barbara's idea to get a beagle for a pet, and Chris eventually agreed to it.<ref>[[May 2012 Facebook posts#These poor fucking dogs]]</ref> Snoopy was officially Barbara's, while Clover was ostensibly Chris's. However, Chris has criticized Barbara's decisions on the dogs, an implication she was in control.<ref name=barbblame>[[Anaxis DMs#Introduction/Bismuth Messages]]</ref>

Despite being a hoarder, Barbara neglected to clear sufficient space for the dogs. At one point, Snoopy fell off a "mountain of clothes" as a puppy, leaving his leg permanently damaged.<ref>[[July 2021 social media posts#Eulogy for Snoopy]]</ref> Both dogs were usually kept inside the house, to the point they became obese and relieve themselves on newspapers. Chris has commented it would be ideal if the dogs could use [[Patti]]'s old pen in the side [[yard]] instead.<ref name=barbblame></ref>

In regards to the cats, [[Scamper]] was killed as a result of the [[2014 house fire]], of which Barbara's hoarding was a major factor. Barbara also accidentally locked [[Sorbet]] inside a room overnight, and Chris found him early morning when feeding the other cats.<ref>[[December 2016 Facebook posts#Sorbet lost, then found]]</ref>

==Quirks==
===Meals===
The night after the Chandler family moved back to Ruckersville in [[2000]], Bob and Chris refused a spaghetti dinner offered by Barb. As a response, Barb decided to forgo cooking for her family and did not make a meal for Chris for at least eleven years afterwards. Chris mentioned in [[2011]] that she was still upset over it:<ref name=jackie24>See emails sent by [[Jackie E-mails 24|Chris to Jackie on 24 and 26 April 2011]].</ref>

{{quote|The spaghetti topic is soo yesterdecade, but apparently she remembers it as well as having a very close relative pass away. Obviously I can empathize with that; I still have my chip on the shoulder from [[Michael Snyder]] banning me from the [[The GAMe PLACe|Game & Hobby Place]]|Chris in a 2011 email<ref name=jackie24></ref>}}

Barb may have resumed making meals at some point. In a [[September 2019]] chat, Chris said he was concerned over his hypertension and "told Barbara to kill the spicy foods for a while."<ref>[[The Place chats - Ben Saint]]</ref>

In a [[May 2016]] begging video, Chris claimed to need money for food, and gave as an example bananas, which he said Barb liked to eat.<ref>[[Donations, Please, plus Live Game Stream tonight.]]</ref>

In the mid-2010s, Barb's doctor advised that she drink meal replacement shakes.<ref>[[September 2018 social media posts#Dynamics between Chris and Barb]]</ref> In [[Minor Update, Handouts!]], a set of begging videos from [[May 2017]], Chris asked his audience for money, claiming it was needed to pay for more of Barb's meal shakes, and admitted he had [[neglect]]ed to buy enough for the month. Barb also made an appearance in which she mentioned consuming the meal shakes. Barb again mentioned the meal shakes during a livestream in [[April 2018]], saying that she liked them and referred to them as "chocolate milkshakes."<ref>[[CLog 04172018 - Buy My Toys]]</ref>

In the [[August 2018]] video [[Shoe Colouring]], Barb mentioned that she did some cooking for her dinner and lunch, which consisted of chicken, fish, and half a can of yams.

==Health problems==
===Weight===
[[Image:Cheers01.jpg|thumb|Artist's depiction.]]

Like Chris, Barbara was [[obesity|obese]] at the time of his discovery by the internet. As late as the 1990s, Barbara was reasonably slim, but she, along with Chris, ballooned out as the 2000s rolled along, to the point of resembling English serial killer {{w|Rose West}}. Her massive size earned her the affectionate nickname '''Snorlax''' from the [[trolls]]. Barb's size may have led to her [[Chris and stress|sleeping a lot]]<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> and usually skipping [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]].<ref>[[Church audio]]</ref>

However, according to eyewitness reports, Barbara lost weight in 2012.<ref>[[This is how the Trial went‎]]</ref> Her weight loss is visible in photos Chris took of her at a 2012 Mythbusters tour stop in Washington, DC.<ref>[[:File:BarbMarch2012.png]]</ref>

This has continued into her old age. When she attended Chris's [[26 December 2014|court hearings]] throughout [[2015]], Christorians in attendance invariably noted that although she has lost weight, she appears to have low muscle mass; probably due to her sedentary lifestyle. In particular, at [[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing|his last hearing]], it was noted that Barb appeared to be growing increasingly frail, and appeared much more passive to Chris than she has otherwise been known to be, as she did not present as very responsive. Chris also reportedly got short with her due to her poor hearing.

In 2018, Chris decided to cash in on the Snorlax joke, claiming that his mother found it funny. He listed a plush Snorlax for sale on [[eBay]], at $200.

{{quote|Hey, Everyone! Those in the meme-know: the times when my mother used to be large and lazy, everyone called her a Snorlax. Well, Barbara likes the joke too, and can laugh it off as she is doing a lot better these days. So, one time only, she signed a Snorlax Plush, and YOU can own it; a 20% More Awesome Collectible. A personal Certificate or Letter of Authenticity will be included. Thank you.}}

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==="Holey buttocks"===
In a [[Twitter|tweet]] to Cole from June 29, 2013, Chris tells him that "[he] ought to be over here putting bandages on [their] Mom's holey buttocks". It was not clear exactly what sort of problem this referred to, though it hardly sounds pleasant. On October 14, 2013, Chris elaborated in a Facebook post, stating, "my mother stresses me with her continuous rants about her damn miniature scabie flies, her suffering, the [[Financhu_Crisis|low finances]] and shit!!!". The consensus was that the so-called "holey buttocks" were, in fact, lesions. It is now believed that Barb has (or had) a colony of parasitic mites, rather than flies, that have burrowed into her prodigious posterior. Naturally, while Barb is being eaten alive by parasites other than Chris, her child whines about having to take care of her.

===Dental===
In August 2014, Chris begged for money on [[Facebook]], supposedly to pay [[List of toys|dental fees]], as he claimed his mother had cavities in her teeth that needed treatment. In July 2016, Barb herself begged for money.<ref>[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]</ref> Chris and Barb restarted begging for [[Lego|dental]] money in early 2018.

===Hearing loss===
During Chris's 2014 court hearing for [[pepper spray]]ing a [[GameStop]] employee, [[Marvin]] was in attendance and observed Chris imply that Barb had hearing loss.<ref>[[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing]]</ref>

{{quote|After a bit, the PD went up to the judge and they called Chris up. Chris starts getting impatient with Barb. He said something like "are your ears clogged up??" and then "wanna follow me so you can hear what's going on?" Then she got up and trundled up there to accompany Chris.|Marvin}}

On 20 September 2021, Reddit user e1ectricthunder visited [[14 Branchland Court]] and had a brief conversation with Barb, during which Barb had difficulty understanding what was being said.<ref>[[Fan visits#e1ectricthunder]]</ref>

===Aging===
{{quote|They treat, they treat you very badly in there. She, she would, she, she, she would never want me to put her into a home, and I would not do that.|Chris, August 2014<ref>[[Catie Date Conversation Transcript]]</ref>}}

[[File:Barb reacts to Quinn.jpg|thumb|200px|Barb, aged 76, tissue in hand, comforting Chris after [[Jessica Quinn]] broke up with him.]]

In November 2015, [[Family Needs to appreciate Family]] was uploaded to YouTube. The video is a plea for [[Cole Smithey]], [[David Alan Chandler]], and [[Carol Suzanne Chandler]] to visit Barb before "her time runs out", even though the latter two are not Barb's progeny.

On 13 July 2016, Barb unexpectedly starred in [[Donations Further Requested, Please|one of Chris's e-begging videos]]. In the minute-long video, she speaks slowly and almost inaudibly, hardly moving or blinking for the entirety of the video. While some have voiced concerns that this may be an early sign of dementia, it is just as likely that Barb, being a manipulative narcissist, was putting on an act for money. She has since re-appeared in numerous other e-begging videos from Chris, including multiple in [[August 2018]]; her appearance is frail and quite frazzled, and her sentences are often punctuated with tons of "ums" and "uhs", along with extended pauses.

[[File:Barbovertime.gif|left]]
[[File:Our signatures00001.png |thumb|right|Barb and Chris in March 2018, the former wearing the [[$400 gold necklace]].]]
In August 2016, [[Anna McLerran]] posted a photo on Facebook of herself and Barb together.<ref>[[:File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.]]</ref> In it, Barb appears to have aged significantly since her last appearance in the "Donations Further Requested, Please" video.

In November 2016, Barb escaped injury when she slipped and fell.<ref>[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Barb slips and falls]]</ref>

Chris was increasingly tasked with helping Barb around the house in her elderly age. He stated in April 2017 that he was taking caregiving classes.<ref>[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04272017]]</ref>
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===Other===
In [[October 2009]], Barbara spent her birthday at the hospital with what the Chandlers thought was food poisoning.<ref name="9 October 2009">[[9 October 2009]]</ref> Barbara was diagnosed with {{w|colitis}}, a gastrointestinal disease characterized by the inflammation of the colon. It manifests in diarrhea and cramps. Which kind of colitis has yet to be determined. It seems the Chandler family's diet has finally come to affect her, and in order to survive she will have to change her eating habits; considering their stubbornness, this clearly will end badly.

Hearing the plight of the Chandler family, [[Trolls|fans]] of Sonichu created the website "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" to spread awareness regarding AIDS and to collect donations for research foundations and charities.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201009073942/https://sites.google.com/site/barbarachandlerhasaids/home "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" Awareness Website]</ref> Chris himself denied the rumor.<ref name="9 October 2009"/>

On 23 August 2013, Chris claimed that Barbara had been afflicted with breast cancer but managed to survive.<ref>[[Facebook#Breast Cancer Awareness]]</ref> He did not give details about when was she diagnosed with the ailment, at what stage it was, or what kind of treatment Barb received.

In [[November 2020]], Chris mentioned that Barbara had an appointment with a cardiologist.<ref>[[The Place chats (November 2020)#Chris's Body Shakes]]</ref>

==Mental problems==
Barb is understood by most to be a highly unstable woman, and worryingly, many of her behaviors can also be observed in Chris. Many believe her to be selfish and extremely narcissistic, on account of her baseless belief that she is [[Daniel Weston|descended from]] [[Anne Boleyn|Tudor high nobility]], and the pathological manner in which she lies and assigns blame to others, even in instances where the fault clearly lies with her. All of these traits are shared by Chris, with Barb's apparent encouragement. Additionally, many aspects of her relationship with Chris are consistent with [https://web.archive.org/web/20201112020245/https://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/mothers-with-narcissistic-personality-disorder/ narcissistic motherhood], which is a fascinating but complex topic, too lengthy to be discussed in detail here. Although Chris seems to be her [https://web.archive.org/web/20201112024302/https://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/golden-child-and-scapegoat/ "golden child"], she does not shy from mistreating him if he displeases her. This can be seen in an email to [[Jackie]] from May 2011; Chris claimed that his mother flew into a rage over his [[tomgirl]] inclinations, forcing him to submit to a haircut and [[Death threats|threatening to kill him]].<ref name="jackie26"></ref>
===Hoarding===
Aside from her narcissism, Barb is also infamous to Christorians for her hoarding. During Chris's youth, she would create piles of clothes as tall as her son.<ref name=younger></ref> Chris has labeled her a "pack rat",<ref>[[Father Call]]</ref> and on more than one occasion has indicated his displeasure at her hoarding and the consequent state of [[14 Branchland Court|their house]], although neither he nor Bob are known to have ever seriously challenged it. Barb compulsively hoards her purchases, particularly from Goodwill, which, by [[2009]], had rendered the living room uninhabitable.<ref>[[Tour of Chris's House]]</ref> When Bob was admitted to the hospital for the final time, he was quarantined for bug bites, ostensibly due to the conditions in the Chandler household.<ref>[[Rocky Shoemaker call]]</ref> The situation did not improve after Bob's passing, either. A [[Tour of Chris's House II|second house tour video]] made by Chris in [[2013]] revealed that Barb's hoarding had gotten severe enough to render entire rooms completely inaccessible, with some rooms literally full of stuff to within inches of the ceiling, and others reduced to crevices carved into walls of junk.

Barb's hoarding was predicted by many to lead to disaster, and finally did on [[2014 house fire|10 January 2014]], when Chris accidentally started a house fire in the morning while trying to brew coffee in the bathroom, because the kitchen had been among the rooms blocked off by Barb's junk. Naturally, Barb's hoard provided ample kindling for the fire, and the house was severely damaged before the fire could be contained. In fact, given the state of the house in the second tour video, it's surprising that Chris and Barb were able to escape. Unsurprising, however, is the fact that one of the Chandlers' remaining cats died in the blaze, and one of the firefighters sent to the scene also suffered unspecified injuries.

While the Chandlers [[Rental House|relocated]], pending repairs to their home, Barb's stuff went into storage. When repairs were completed a year later, Barb had all of it moved back to 14 Branchland Court, and is not known to have disposed of any of it, even though, by all accounts, most of what she and Chris were able to salvage was subjected to either fire, smoke or water damage, rendering it completely useless. This was confirmed in April 2017, when Chris mentioned the laundry room contained a "mountain pile" of 20-40 bags of dirty, damaged clothing that had not been washed since the fire occurred.<ref>[[April 2017 Facebook posts#Offering The Classic shirt for $12,000 minimum]]</ref>
===Memory?===
Barb has also been long speculated to suffer from a form of dementia due to later video appearances (mostly begging videos) showing her as struggling with forming sentences without a degree of prompting by Chris. Some initially speculated that Chris and Barb were taking advantage of her feeble, elderly state for the purpose of emotionally manipulating their audience into giving them more donations out of pity, as there were other videos where Barb appeared to be more cognizant and seemed to be able to handle her own finances to some degree. Some people close to Chris, such as [[The Captain]], have proclaimed her to not have dementia.

{{quote|She's fully there mentally.. She can drive, hold a conversation, etc. But yeah I can't explain that [[Creepy stare|damn stare]] lol|The Captain<ref>[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Dementia Theory]]</ref>}}

However, this statement was made in [[2018]], and it's possible in the years following that she has developed a form of cognitive disability. In light of the [[Chris and sex#Incest|incest]] situation, in which Chris noted that she seemed "partially confused" on at least one of the occasions that he jumped her bones, how much of her situation was an act (presuming if any of it was) and how much is real has been called into question.

In the [[July 2021]] [[Incest Texts]], Chris claimed that Barb has memory problems (and that his incestuous acts were helping to heal her).

{{quote|She has had memory problems at time beforehand, yes, but she is being better stimulated in her mind and soul, and it Really Shows! Her mental processing speed is even going back up.|Chris}}

Barb was evaluated at a hospital after being separated from her son and was able to return to her home after he was incarcerated, though it should still be noted that the bar for being deemed qualified enough to take care of oneself is low. In [[June 2022]], a letter from Chris claimed that Barb is suffering from a "falling mentality", although it's not clear what that entails.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 27 June 2022]]</ref>

==Legal problems==
On [[28 October 2011]], Chris and Barb were caught in an incident with [[The GAMe PLACe]] and were actually arrested with several serious charges, with Barb's including felony assault and failure to stop. The two were later released on bail. After a succession of court hearings, Barb, along with her son, was arraigned on her felony charges on 10 July 2012. She was sentenced to community service and was put on a two-year probation, as well as being ordered to pay Michael Snyder's medical bills. When informed of the latter fact during the trial, Chris explained that his mother, a retired, obese, seventy-year-old woman, would take care of the charges for him. No one was particularly surprised at this revelation.

==Financial problems==
[[File:Barb's blankets ebay listings photos 01.jpg |Barb advertising blankets for sale in summer 2018.|thumb|250px]]

Barb lives off social security ({{w|Retirement Insurance Benefits}}) and a small pension from her old job; about $14,000 a year.<ref name=charbincome>[[CWCki Forums posts (Cousin Al)#Chris and Barbara's Income]]</ref>

In 2016, Barb was sued by a Discover bank in Norfolk for not paying [[debt]]s. This came to light on [[March 2016|March 14]], [[2016]], when sharp-eyed [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwis]] noticed that she had a hearing on March 16. Since grave neglect of her debt was likely the cause of her being taken to court, it was widely assumed that she would ignore the summons too. Instead, once the court records were updated, many were surprised to see that not only had Barb attended, but she had represented herself, too. Equally unsurprisingly, this bold move failed to pay off, and Barb was still sentenced to pay $4,706.93.<ref>[[:File:Barb discover bank result.png]]</ref>

Five months later, Barb was sued again, this time by Capital One, for the same reason. The hearing in September resulted in a Default Judgement against Barb, meaning that she did not bother attending. She owes Capital One $15,906.99.<ref>[[:File:Barb vs Capital One Bank result.png]]</ref>

Her out-of-control debt was the catalyst for the [[Financhu Crisis]] of 2016.

From June through July of that year, Barb appeared in three videos:

*[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]]
*[[Donations Requested, Please]]
*[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]

In the videos, she and Chris beg for donations, claiming to need money for her asthma medication and dental work (although they receive a combined amount of $2,500 per month from the government<ref name=charbincome></ref> and their costly hoards are clearly visible behind them). See the Appearances section for more appearances by Barb.

She has failed to take accountability for ruining the family's finances, trying to pin the blame on Chris,<ref>[[Patreon announcement]]</ref> even though her known debt of over $20,000 is much larger than Chris's.

She and Chris had an inheritance from Bob worth "tens of thousands of dollars" when he passed away, but Barb decided to frivolously spend it on [[Rob Bell]] in an attempt to gain exoneration for her [[assault and battery]] charge.

In the summer of 2018, she joined forces with Chris in selling stuff on [[eBay]], including items from her hoard and her autographs, which some fans bought.

==Appearances==

===In ''Sonichu''===
[[File:Bc.PNG|thumb|200px|Chris gets to live out his fantasy of being (and having) an adequate son.]]

In [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]], Barbara makes a brief appearance in "Classic Sonichu Strips".

In [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]], the male [[Dating education#In Sonichu|Dating Education]] students are given Barbara dolls to talk to.

In the 2015 revisions to [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris wrote out Blanca's character and replaced her with his mother.

According to the [[CWCipedia]], [[Sandy Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children]] go to Anneweston Elementary School.<ref>[[CWCipedia]] on [https://web.archive.org/web/20130831123750/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Wild_Sonichu Wild Sonichu]</ref> It is unknown whether or not Sonichu and Rosechu's children still go to that school after their [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children#Sonichu and Rosechu's children|evolution]].

[[File:Chandlers & Sonichus.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]

In [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], Barb is photoshopped into a "family photo" alongside Chris, Bob and the various Chus.

[[File:Borb, Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb|In ''Sonichu'' #12.]]

In [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]], Barb is in a set of pages that is a cross between Chris writing an autobiographical account of himself coming out as a tomgirl to his parents and a tribute to his late father.

Due to Chris's Oedipal complex, Barb is depicted as much more youthful than Bob, even though she was nearly 70 at the time. She is also drawn as being freakishly tall compared to Chris and Bob, despite being shorter than both in real life, though this may just be Chris's inability to keep his characters properly proportioned at work. Barb expresses surprise at her son's announcement of being trans. Chris states that she was "hesitant for a long while", but "got used to my subtle and more changes".

This is a drastic understatement, as the real-life Barb tried to stop his [[tomgirl]] lifestyle in ways including suicide threats, guilt trips (by claiming that she was worried Chris would kill her), paying him to stop cross-dressing, and even ordering him to submit to a haircut. If her attitude towards him cooled, it was only out of resignation rather than acceptance. Evidence of this is when she became angry with him again after finding out that he had successfully changed his name in 2016.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (MasterDisaster)#Name Change Drama]]</ref>

[[File:Chandler family as ponies.png|200px|thumb|left|Barb, pictured at left, as ''Sugar Darling'', in a [[My Little Pony|MLP]]-inspired drawing from [[August 2017]].]]

In August 2017, Chris unveiled a drawing of the Chandler family depicted as [[My Little Pony]] characters, saying they will make further appearances in [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]].

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===As toys===
<center><gallery>
File:LegoSnorlax.jpg|As [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] sees her in [[Lego]] form.
File:BarbAmiibo.jpg|Barb [[Amiibo]], complete with cleavage, which Chris offered for sale on [[Etsy]] in [[November 2015]].
File:Barb drawing Nov. '15.jpg|Promo drawing for the Amiibo.
File:BarbaraCard.jpg|As a [[TSSSF]] card. Note that Chris calls her a "redneck tomboy" and her power is to steal a shipping partner.
</gallery></center>

===Audio===
* Private Skype chat with [[Sarah May]].
* 4 [[February 2009]], [[Mumble 2]]: Barbara denies singing while vacuuming [[Chris's room]].
* 17 [[February 2009]], [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 2]]: Barbara talks to Chris but when Julie wants to talk to her, Barbara says she isn't "able to talk to anybody right now".
* [[March 2009]]: Barbara takes over the phone from Chris when Clyde [[Clyde#Prostitutes|calls after the date with Emily]].
* [[Kacey Call 15]]: Chris keeps [[Kacey]] on the phone for nearly fourteen minutes while Barb talks about the value of [[Chris and his Ego|humility]], her poor health, and her relationship with Bob, among other things.
* [[November 2009]], [[Kacey and Liquid Call]]: Barbara tells Chris to "just hang up on the bitch!"
* 10 [[August 2010]], [[Matthew Noble call]]: Barbara claims that Megan "lied" to Chris and abruptly hangs up mid-sentence. Throughout the call, she can be heard denying that she and Bob are the slightest bit in the wrong. At one point she complains about the time Michael Snyder kicked her and Chris out of the GAMe PLACe following Chris's final ban from the store.
* [[Prank calls]]: Barbara yells in the background and foreground of several prank calls.

===Videos===
{{Incomplete}}
Barbara has appeared in several videos: off-camera in the [[Christian Weston Chandler Interview]], and on-camera (for the first time) in [[You're Always Pretty]]. [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004|Two decade-old videos]] were leaked in December 2014 showing the Chandlers celebrating Christmas. Another video of her was recorded by a [[troll]] as she and Chris left court after his hearing in February 2015.

She has most frequently appeared during the [[Financhu Crisis]].

[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help|Two more]] [[Donations Requested, Please|videos]] were released in June 2016 showing Chris begging for donations to buy asthma pills for Barbara. Barbara is shown practically dead in both of these videos so [[Chris and Death|god only knows what will happen in the near future.]]

In a [[Donations Further Requested, Please|video]] released on 13 July 2016, Barbara joins her son in shamelessly e-begging. Her voice tired and hoarse, mouth agape, she stares directly into the camera like a deer caught in the headlights.

She resumed begging in a [[EMERGENCY HOME UPDATE|video]] from April 2017, in which she wears a [[$400 gold necklace]] while asking Chris's audience to give him $1,000 in exchange for his old [[Stamps|stamp album]].

She next appeared in [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]], when she walked in while Chris was recording.

After more uploads from Chris, Barb starred in another begging video uploaded on 24 May 2017, titled [[We Said Donations No Less than $1 00, US, Please]]. Chris removed the video the next day after people threatened to report him for elder abuse.

After the last failed attempt of getting donations, Barb and Chris engaged in yet another begging video on 16 June 2017, titled [[We need immediate funds, please]]. Ironically, she wore both the [[$400 gold necklace]] and a pearl necklace.

Almost a month had passed, without any appearances from Barb. With Chris getting decent amounts of funds from his [[Patreon]] account, there no longer seemed to be a desire to beg. On 14 July 2017, she makes a small voice-only cameo in a [[Soda Awawawawa Puccho Candy Response]], screaming at him for not closing the front door. She also comments in [[Solar Eclipse Vlogs]], asking Chris if he's ready to go back inside after the eclipse ends.

Barb's first appearance on video in 2018 was in [[Selling Vintage Comic Books (Cole Smithey’s Comic Books)]]. She appeared a couple of weeks later in [[Our signatures]] to demonstrate that her signature, a key selling point in the comic sales, was real. On 9 April, Barb appeared for the seventh time during the Financhu Crisis to beg in [[Buy Our Things off of my eBay to help us, Please.]]

On 16 April, a [[April 2018 Paid Video Requests|bizarre video of a few seconds of Barb standing in a doorway]] was posted to the [[CWCki Club]]. On the 17th, she appeared as a guest on Chris's [[Twitch]] stream.

On 8 May, Barb appeared in [[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE!]]. Two days later, Barb appeared in [[May 2018 Paid Video Requests|paid videos giving shout-outs to school shooters Nicholas Cruz and Adam Lanza]].

She watched Chris spray-paint his shoes (and his bedroom carpet) in [[Shoe Colouring]], sitting in the same room with poor ventilation.

In the summer of 2018, she appears in multiple videos to promote her partnership with Chris's eBay business: [[My Mother WORKED Hard, Spent Hard; Needs Money NOW.]], [[Barbara Chandler will be making out autographed photos and posters.]] and [[Barbara’s Blankets]]. She then begged for her car payment money in [[Mother needs a car payment]].

[[Barb confirms she isn't dead]] was her next appearance, a rare non-begging video.

Chris (possessed by [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]]) got Barb to appear on camera in [[Watching TF2 Analysis Anarchy Red Vs Blue Part 3]] (12 June 2020).

Barb gave a video shout-out to [[Cole]] in the [[September 2020]] video [[To Cole Smithey, from Barb, and Sonichu (Prime)]].

==Gallery==

<center>
<gallery>
BarbWhenWeWereYoungSchool1.jpg|As we were young - School yearbook section, with photo of toddler Barb.
BarbWhenWeWereYoungSchool2.jpg|As we were young - Another photo of child Barb.
BarbaraLibraryClub56.jpg|1956 Library Club - Barbara standing third row, second to the left.
BarbJVBasketball.jpg|1956 Junior Varsity Basketball Team - Barbara sitting first row left.
1957BarbaraFHA.png|1957 Future Homemakers of America - Barbara sitting on grass first row very right, as seen with a red star.
BarbSafetyPatrol.jpg|1957 Randolph Henry safety bus patrol - Barbara kneeling, as seen with a red star.
BarbaraLibraryClub1957.jpg|1957 Library Club - Barbara the treasurer for Library Club.
BarbaraLibraryClub58.jpg|1958 Library Club - Barbara standing 7th to the right.
BarbaraSpanishClub1958.jpg|1958 Spanish Club - Barbara standing behind a few rows, as seen with a red star.
BarbaraCheerleader.jpg|1958 Cheerleaders - Barbara as a cheerleader.
BarbaraFHA1.jpg|1960 Future Homemakers of America 1 - Barbara the FHA treasurer sitting on the couch second to the left.
BarbaraFHA2.jpg|1960 Future Homemakers of America 2 - Barbara the FHA treasurer standing the first row in the middle.
BarbaraMonogramClub.jpg|1960 Monogram Club - Barbara standing first row, third to the left.
BarbaraSpanishClub.jpg|1960 Spanish Club - Barbara standing high up, as seen with a red star.
BarbaraBusPatrol.jpg|1960 Randolph Henry safety bus patrol - Barbara the reporter for RH safety bus patrol, wearing glasses standing first row left.
BarbaraSeniorDirectory.jpg|Barbara's senior year directory.
Image:Barbarafamilycensus1950.png|Barb and her family, 1950 census.
Image:Babs1956.PNG|Barb's 8th grade (or "Pre-Freshman") photo.
Image:Babs1957.PNG|Barb's freshman photo from high school.
File:Babs1958.png|Barb's sophomore photo from high school.
File:Barab?.JPG|Seen in the background of a 2020 photograph; this is Barb's wedding portrait at age 19 in 1961.
File:JerryBarb%26ColeDisasterHeadquarters.jpg|King Karnak, Barbie & Cole at the backstage of "Disaster Headquarters".
File:Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.png|Chris's family tree up to his great-great-grandparents.
Image:0002-1-Baby Chris and Mommy.jpg|Barbara with baby Chris. Oh, how full of hope and promise.
Image:0027-ChristopherWMom2.jpg|"Talk, you little idiot!"
Image:0026-ChrisAndMom.jpg
Image:0107-ChristianWMom.jpg|This is when ''[[The Simpsons]]'' went downhill.
Image:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg
Image:0096-MomRetire4.jpg|Barbara's retirement party from secretarial services at Virginia Power in 1996.<ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg|DVD, note 2]]</ref>
Image:0029-BarbaraWithDrinks.jpg
Image:0113-MomsBirthday97-1.jpg|From her 55th birthday.
Image:0229-ChristianAndMomInClass.jpg
Image:0037-BarbaraInGreen.jpg|Nothing says the 80s like a woman in a power suit and a lady tie.
Image:0041-BarbaraCorinaTomAndHerriet.jpg|Barb with [[Aunt Corrina]], Uncle Tom, and Aunt Harriet.
Image:0042-BarbaraCorinaHerrietAndElvis.jpg|The King left the building when he started to notice the foul smell of the house.
Image:0618-BarbaraIs60-1.jpg|Poor Barb, Chris put [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] on HER birthday cake.
Image:0074-BarbaraWSonicDoll.jpg
Image:0540-Prom2.jpg|It was originally believed this image was from Chris's graduation. Turns out this is from his senior prom, where he took his mom as his date.
Image:0549-Prom11.jpg|Barb talking to [[Tiffany Gowen|Tiffany]], one of Chris's [[gal pal]]s, at the prom.
Image:Babura.PNG|Barb [[You're Always Pretty|is always pretty]].
BarbMarch2012.png|Barb in 2012, having devolved from a Snorlax into a Munchlax.
File:SnoopyDoobieDoo.png|With [[Snoopy]] in [[2013]].
Image:Barb 2016.JPG|During 2016.
File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.
File:Chandlers.Png|Barb and Chris. Barb is interrupting Chris during a live [[YouTube]] stream.
File:Certificate of Authenticity with Barb's signature.jpg|Barb's signature on a Certificate of Authenticity, included with [[2018 Sales Listings|the purchase of one of Cole's comics]].
Barb autograph photo listing.jpg|Barb with an autographed photo of herself.
File:Chris's 37th birthday 2.jpg|Barb during Chris's 37th birthday.
File:BarbPhoto20Aug.jpg|[[August 2019]].
File:Barb 11-19-2019.jpg|Barb in [[November 2019]].
File:Barbjune2020.jpg|Barb during [[Analysis_Anarchy_Reaction_Livestreams#Watching_TF2_Analysis_Anarchy_Red_Vs_Blue_Part_3|a livestream]] in [[June 2020]]
File:Barb-Instagram-4.jpg|"And Barbara Anne Weston Chandler [[Chris and reality|still looks good for her wise age]]. [[May 2021|#happymothersday2021]]"
File:July11BarbPhoto1.jpg|Barb in [[July 2021]], showing off her new haircut [[July_2021_social_media_posts#Barbie_Chan|done by none other than Chris]]. [[Affair with Mother|Look at the fear in her eyes.]]
Barb in June 2022 drawing.png|Drawing of Barb by Chris in [[June 2022]]
barb2023.png|Barb, age 81, in [[August 2023]]. Notice how significantly she has aged.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1618sah/myself_and_uatahsia_drove_to_virginia_and_we_had/</ref>
BarbaraChandlerSeptember2024.png|Barb, age 82, in [[September 2024]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/September_2024_social_media_posts##KamalaHarris4President2024</ref>
File:Barbara Chandler at 14 Branchland Court 24 February 2025.jpeg|Barb in [[February 2025]] <ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1ixmffp/chris_chans_ex_girlfriend_on_his_birthday/</ref>
</gallery>
</center>

==See Also==
*[[Affair with Mother]]
*[[Bob Chandler]]

{{References}}

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{{GreeneSaga}}
{{HighSchoolSaga}}
{{GamePlaceSaga}}
{{SecondExile}}
{{IncestSaga}}
{{JailSaga}}
{{Love quest}}
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File:Barb2025-closeup.jpg

2025-02-25T05:13:04Z

Cottonmather: A cropped version of the new Barb sighting for her infobox photo.

== Summary ==
A cropped version of the new Barb sighting for her infobox photo.

Template:Da update

2024-11-25T01:33:04Z

Cottonmather:

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We highly advise ''against'' seeking out Chris, or anyone who is or has previously been associated with him, in any way.</center>
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<center>'''Current Updates'''</center>
*'''23 November''' - Chris livestreams '''[[Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run]]''', where he casually reveals that he is expecting, or planning to expect, a '''[[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|child]]'''.
*'''16 November''' - Chris posts '''[[Cwclight#Ultra_Sonichu|Ultra Sonichu]]''' to [[Cwclight]].
*'''11 November'''
**Chris '''[[Cwclight#NEW Official Rosechu Medallion, Handmade by CWC|announces]]''' a Rosechu medallion for sale.
**Chris posts '''[[Cwclight#Blake_Sonichu|Blake Sonichu]]''' and '''[[Cwclight#A_few_previously_unanswered_questions|A few previously unanswered questions]]''' to [[Cwclight]].
*'''9 November''' - After a few days of posting on social media site [[Bluesky]], Chris '''[[November 2024 social media posts#Bluesky|announces]]''' on [[Twitter]] that he will make a move to Bluesky and that he has blocked Twitter's owner Elon Musk.
*'''6 November''' - [[OfficialCWCmart]] is updated with multiple artworks: the fifth part to Act 4 of '''[[Chaos Crystal Control]]''', "Portal Workings" from the '''[[2021 Lost Commissions]]''', and "I Had Returned Home" from '''[[OfficialCWCmart Jail Art]]'''.
* '''5 November''' - Chris '''[[November 2024 social media posts#I voted|casts his vote]]''' in the 2024 election, then records a '''[[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Elections 2024|livestream]]''' reacting to the results.
* '''4 November'''
**Chris '''[[November 2024 social media posts#Crime reminder|implies]]''' that his [[Kamala Harris]] signs had either been defaced or stolen.
**Chris '''[[November 2024 social media posts#Election stream announcement|announces]]''' a livestream for 5 November on the election results.
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<center>'''Recently Uncovered Info'''</center>
*'''11 November''' - [[The Place chats (August 2020)#Role-play coping|Role-play coping]] from [[August 2020]]
*'''4 October''' - [[The Place chats (October 2019)#Night Star, personality tests|Night Star, personality tests]] from [[October 2019]]

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November 2024

2024-11-25T01:30:17Z

Cottonmather: /* Highlights */

{{ongoing}}
[[File:Cwc-nov2024.jpg|thumb|300px|Chris in November.]]

'''November''' is the eleventh month of [[2024]].

==Highlights==
* '''1 November'''
** [[Minecraft Exploring The End Realm.]] is published.
** [[Son-Chu#Chevrolet Aveo|Chris's car]] is photographed at a [[Wendy's]] in [[Lynchburg]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Wendy's]]</ref>
* '''2 November''' - Chris posts more [[Kamala Harris]] drawings to [[Twitter]].<ref name=voteplan>[[November 2024 social media posts#Still voting for Kamala Harris]]</ref>
* '''4 November'''
**Chris implies that his [[Kamala Harris]] signs had either been defaced or stolen.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Crime reminder]]</ref>
**Chris announces a livestream for 5 November on the election results.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Election stream announcement]]</ref>
* '''5 November'''
**[[Minecraft God Dialogue Read]] is published.
**The election of the President of the [[United States of America]] occurs. Chris records [[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Elections 2024]], a livestream reacting to the election results, although he stops before the winner is declared. Later, [[Kamala Harris]], who Chris had voted for,<ref name=voteplan></ref><ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#I voted]]</ref> is defeated by [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]].
*'''6 November'''
**Chris makes a post on [[Bluesky]] claiming he is "further making the move" to the platform.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Making the move to Blue Sky]]</ref>
**[[OfficialCWCmart]] is updated with multiple artworks: the fifth part to Act 4 of [[Chaos Crystal Control]], "Portal Workings" from the [[2021 Lost Commissions]], and "I Had Returned Home" from [[OfficialCWCmart Jail Art]].
*'''7 November''' - Chris blocks [[Caitlyn Jenner]]'s Twitter account over the latter's support of [[Pmurt]].<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Blocking Caitlyn Jenner]]</ref>
*'''9 November''' - Chris makes his "first insightful post" on [[Bluesky]]<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#First insightful post on Blue sky]]</ref> and announces his plan to switch to the platform in a [[Twitter]] post.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Bluesky]]</ref>
*'''11 November'''
**Chris announces new [[Cwclight]] exclusive [[Cwclight#NEW Official Rosechu Medallion, Handmade by CWC|Rosechu medallions]] for sale.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Rosechu medallions for sale]]</ref>
**Chris posts [[Cwclight#Blake Sonichu|Blake Sonichu]] and [[Cwclight#A few previously unanswered questions|A few previously unanswered questions]] to [[Cwclight]].
*'''16 November''' - Chris posts [[Cwclight#Ultra Sonichu|Ultra Sonichu]] to [[Cwclight]].
*'''21 November'''
**Chris removes the "Blue Heart" from "CPU Blue Heart" to add "On 🦋 BSky" to the end of his profile name on [[Twitter]] and also adds a link to his [[Bluesky]] in his bio.
**Chris enters a competition for a chance to have his [[OC]] [[Nightstar]] turned into a plush product sold by Youtooz.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Custom youtooz MLP plush design competition]]</ref>
*'''23 November''' - Chris records [[Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run]], a livestream. During this livestream, Chris casually reveals in response to a Superchat that he is expecting, or planning to expect, a [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|child]].
*'''28 November''' - [[Cherokian Clan|Thanksgiving]].

==Activity==
===Chats===
*None yet.

===Posts===
*[[Cwclight]]
*[[November 2024 social media posts]]

===Sightings===
*[[Sightings (2024)#November]]
===Videos===
*[[Minecraft Exploring The End Realm.]]
*[[Minecraft God Dialogue Read]]
*[[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Elections 2024]]
*[[Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run]]
{{References}}
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Template:Quote of the now

2024-11-25T01:22:51Z

Cottonmather:

{{quote|Mmm... when the [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|child]]- when the [[pedofork|child]] is actually coming into play, or [[Speech Impediment|some'ere]] around that point. Or, I might just keep y'all in the dark, and let y'all wait 'til after the child is born.|Chris [[November 2024 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run|during a livestream]], in response to a [[ween]] asking him when he plans to announce the child he is allegedly having. }}
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Template:Quote of the now

2024-11-25T01:20:56Z

Cottonmather:

{{quote|Mmm... when the [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|child]]- when the [[pedofork|child]] is actually coming into play, or [[Speech Impediment|some'ere]] around that point. Or, I might just keep y'all in the dark, and let y'all wait 'til after the child is born.|Chris [[November 2024 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run|during a livestream]], in response to a [[ween]] asking him when he plans to announce the child he is having. }}
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That Goatee WILL Grow Back

2024-11-09T10:13:42Z

Cottonmather:

[[File:Asperchutthegoateewillgrowback.png|center|900px]]

'''That Goatee WILL Grow Back''' (officially '''Christian Weston Chandler - It Took Me Weeks to Perfect that Goatee, but it WILL Grow Back''') is a [[video]] uploaded to [[YouTube]] on 31 [[July 2009]]. In it, [[Chris]] goes back to his old self after concerns regarding him being a [[Clown shirt|stripe]]less, [[medallion]]less, goatee-sporting [[Ian Brandon Anderson|impostor]] by violently failing at shaving while Christian pop-rock blares in the background for emotional effect.

If Chris were smart and knew how to shave properly, he would have used shaving cream (or at least some olive oil), soap, a mirror, and water, or at least buy an electric razor - but because he's Chris, he instead chose a method that probably gave him at least two weeks' worth of razor burn. That he isn't at all bleeding from the aggressive dry-shaving he does probably attests to [[Chris and health#Hygiene|how greasy his skin is]].

Chris did regrow the goatee for a time later in the year, but not for long, and it wasn't styled quite the same way. Over a decade later, Chris would grow a full beard while in [[jail]], as depicted in [[OfficialCWCmart Jail Art#"I Had Returned Home", undated|one piece of artwork]]. Chris shaved his beard immediately upon release. Considering Chris's [[transgender]] lifestyle change, it probably will never come back to stay.

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Christian Weston Chandler - It Took Me Weeks to Perfect that Goatee, but it WILL Grow Back
| ytid = fZ4A_Wr90L4
| stardate = 31 [[July 2009]]
| style = {{Crazy|text}}
| saga = {{Liquid|text}}
| shirt = {{ClassicShirt|text}}
| previous = [[CWC Update 29 July 2009]]
| next = [[SingStar Challenge|SingStar Challenge Announcement]]
}}

=== Transcript ===
[''Chris removes his glasses and speaks inaudibly to the camera as "Lift Up Your Eyes" by {{w|Planetshakers}} plays over him. He puts his glasses down, removes his waistcoat and takes off a medallion inscribed with the phrase "THE TIME OF MY LIFE", which he shows to the camera and then discards. He begins taking vertical and horizontal swipes across his chin with a razor with alarming force and without any cream, soap, or water. The head launches off from the handle, and he picks it back up, reattaches it, and resumes. After a few more strokes, the head pops out again. After further scraping, he seems to put this razor down and pick up a new one. We jump cut to Chris with the new razor, and the head pops out before just barely touching his face. He reattaches it and continues. After more shaving, he stops to check for unshaven areas; he then resumes, checks, resumes, checks, finds it to his satisfaction and the video ends''.]

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[CWC Update 29 July 2009]]|nextlink=[[SingStar Challenge|SingStar Challenge Announcement]]|}}
{{The Cwcivil War of 2009}}

[[Category:Videos Christian uploaded to YouTube]]
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That Goatee WILL Grow Back

2024-11-09T10:13:23Z

Cottonmather:

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'''That Goatee WILL Grow Back''' (officially '''Christian Weston Chandler - It Took Me Weeks to Perfect that Goatee, but it WILL Grow Back''') is a [[video]] uploaded to [[YouTube]] on 31 [[July 2009]]. In it, [[Chris]] goes back to his old self after concerns regarding him being a [[Clown shirt|stripe]]less, [[medallion]]less, goatee-sporting [[Ian Brandon Anderson|impostor]] by violently failing at shaving while Christian pop-rock blares in the background for emotional effect.

If Chris were smart and knew how to shave properly, he would have used shaving cream (or at least some olive oil), soap, a mirror, and water, or at least buy an electric razor - but because he's Chris, he instead chose a method that probably gave him at least two weeks' worth of razor burn. That he isn't at all bleeding from the aggressive dry-shaving he does probably attests to [[Chris and health#Hygiene|how greasy his skin is]].

Chris did regrow the goatee for a time later in the year, but not for long, and it wasn't styled quite the same way. Over a decade later, Chris would grow a full beard while in [[jail]], as depicted in [[OfficialCWCmart Jail Art#"I Had Returned Home", undated|one piece of artwork]]. Chris shaved his beard immediately upon his release. Considering Chris's [[transgender]] lifestyle change, it probably will never come back to stay.

==Video==
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| name = Christian Weston Chandler - It Took Me Weeks to Perfect that Goatee, but it WILL Grow Back
| ytid = fZ4A_Wr90L4
| stardate = 31 [[July 2009]]
| style = {{Crazy|text}}
| saga = {{Liquid|text}}
| shirt = {{ClassicShirt|text}}
| previous = [[CWC Update 29 July 2009]]
| next = [[SingStar Challenge|SingStar Challenge Announcement]]
}}

=== Transcript ===
[''Chris removes his glasses and speaks inaudibly to the camera as "Lift Up Your Eyes" by {{w|Planetshakers}} plays over him. He puts his glasses down, removes his waistcoat and takes off a medallion inscribed with the phrase "THE TIME OF MY LIFE", which he shows to the camera and then discards. He begins taking vertical and horizontal swipes across his chin with a razor with alarming force and without any cream, soap, or water. The head launches off from the handle, and he picks it back up, reattaches it, and resumes. After a few more strokes, the head pops out again. After further scraping, he seems to put this razor down and pick up a new one. We jump cut to Chris with the new razor, and the head pops out before just barely touching his face. He reattaches it and continues. After more shaving, he stops to check for unshaven areas; he then resumes, checks, resumes, checks, finds it to his satisfaction and the video ends''.]

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Talk:Saga

2024-11-07T01:29:57Z

Cottonmather: /* Is this (finally) a saga? */

Add the sagas that we have from the [[List of Videos]] page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
*The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --[[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
* Add information involving the Ebay stuff to the Facebook Saga section. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
* Add the 2014 sagas to the Sagas timeline. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)

* I actually really like these. [[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Your wish is my command. It is done. I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly? I can get started on a timeline. I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful. Are there any other sagas that should be here? I assume not. What do we need to add to make this... complete... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

==Timeline==
[[Image:Timeline.png|right]]
So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
*I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
:*I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)
*I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.
----[[User:Kwippleton|Kwippleton]] 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

==Gregg Mays saga==
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

==Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?==
Or does anyone think it's too early? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
* I was about to suggest the same thing. With the [[Kill de Jack|recent]] [[To Clyde and Jack|videos]] aimed at him, the [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|three]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 2|phone]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 3|calls]] and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention [[It's UGH!|previous]] [[Chris humps his PS3|antics]], there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** And I think it has begun! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]] Saga. You like? --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Awesome job on the icon! --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
===Actually...===
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. [[User:Chris fangs|Chris fangs]] 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/File:Timeline.png], which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]

*Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]
::::*I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==The CWCki Saga, anyone?==

I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
*Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death. If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it. If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Vanessa Saga==

My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== more saga sum up images ==

we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others
[[image:Picture_4.png]]

== Tito saga ==

'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named [[Lovely Weather]]. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to [[The Wallflower]]? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
* Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==IRL Saga?==

It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
* I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**How about 'Reality Saga'? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
***If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**** I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
***** I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flipnote Hatena saga ==

Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
*It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
**Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--[[User:Yoyoddd|Yoyoddd]] 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
***I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
****Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
*****Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint ''somewhere''.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==PS3 Saga?==

Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

==Missing Sagas==
Why aren't the sagas caused by [[Vanessa_Saga|Joshua Martinez]] included on the saga list?
*1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

==On Sagas==
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

*Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called [[Ivy]] and the article on the Liquid Saga is called [[Liquid Chris]]. But then there are articles which are literally called [[Miyamoto Saga]] or [[Vanessa Saga]], which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Vanessa Hudgens]]. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are [[:Template:BlancaSaga]] and [[:Template:MeganSaga]]. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
:*Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
::*Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

== Individual Saga pages ==

I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
* EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
* I made a [[Tomgirl Saga]] page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
*I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the [[Ivy]] page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the [[Liquid Chris]] page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
**I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
*** i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
* I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

== Second Exile saga? ==

Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

- I disagree. A time without content, I feel, shouldn't be considered a saga.--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] 13:01, 3 Feburary 2014

== Regarding the Catherine Saga ==

I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
:Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I have added some details to the Catherine and Sonic sagas, but I think that you are right about combining the Facebook saga point. A good deal of information from Catherine is not really typical trolling, but further information on Chris's condition as a Tomgirl and his general repulsive self. It may be a good idea to combine the two into some sort of saga, rather than having two separate sections.[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 13:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== Is there an "Ebay" Saga going on right now? ==

Considering all of the ebay stuff that has been going on for a while, like the situation with Mr. Smith, the Tribalism art, and such, should it be considered a saga? It's long enough to be considered as saga, but I'm wondering it there was enough content to validate it being called a saga. -Fredinno, Feb 3, 2014.

*I think it would be best to make a Facebook Saga, as Champthom suggested above. Maybe Catherine could also be mentioned here too? And his return to his art. [[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

*I disagree, but I'm beaten, 3 to 1. Oh well, I guess I'll combine those two together. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

== Tomgirl Saga vs Calling Out Saga ==

Should the Calling Out Saga be separated from the Tomgirl Saga? The two things, in my opinion, are very different from each other, and many people from the Cwcki Forums, including me, believe the two are different Sagas. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*You are right, they are two different things, but I think the reason they have been put together is because it's part of Chris's Tomgirl phase. I don't really think Calling Out qualifies as a Saga in its own right, so, personally, I would argue against giving it its own section. I am assuming it was added to give a bit more volume to the Tomgirl Saga, but, now that we have more information on Chris's Tomgirl antics, we could replace Calling Out with something else.

*So, to link back to what we were talking about above, I guess maybe Catherine could go with Tomgirl - as Chris's first lesbian encounter. The eBay stuff could then go to a Facebook Saga because it marks a change in both Chris's personality, since he has become more withdrawn, and how he communicates, being far more paranoid and holding court only to a select few. Obviously, this withdrawal has also come about from Bob's death, and also why he is allegedly selling stuff on eBay because he claims to need the money more for him and Barb. So, here you can see a link between the change in Chris and ''why'' he has returned to making his artwork and selling stuff, but it also demonstrates a change in how trolling Chris has changed. Granted, he's still being trolled, but it's not as abrasive as it once was because it can only be done through eBay - again because Chris has cut off all contact.

*Anyway, if you see the links there that I'm thinking of, you'll understand why I want to merge the eBay Saga with Facebook, plus I don't really think enough happened for it to warrant a Saga in its own right, but I haven't seen the pages on the wiki to document it so I could be wrong on that point. Let me know how you see it and how you think Chris's recent shenanigans would be best documented. Once everyone has discussed it we will probably have a good idea of the most efficient way of categorizing his recent behavior into Sagas. Apologies for wall of text,[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 11:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*Really, though I can agree with your statement that Ebay Saga should be merged with Facebook Saga, (since there were many miscellaneous Facebook posts important to Chrisdom and Christory, the two sometimes connect with each other via Chris, and the 'ebay saga' only contains 2 fiascos that were really funny). Catherine should probably be its own saga, in my opinion, due to that stuff being related directly to a new sweetheart, but I could understand why you want it to be included as a "Tomgirl Saga, Part 2" sort of thing. On the other hand, Calling Out really has a enough content in relation to it, to be a saga, but is too big simply to be left as not a part of any saga. Since it was cut short by Bob's death, it should be considered its own saga.

In summary, I believe we should merge Facebook and Ebay Sagas, maybe merge Tomgirl and Catherine, but decouple Calling out from Tomgirl. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 21:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

== The Boxing Day Saga ==

Should there be a separate saga for SONIC'S ARMS ARE NOT FREAKING BLUE!!!
I know that the saga is older than what I will now call the "Boxing Day GameStop Spritzing", but it has a nice, poetic ring to it.
--Troll-chan Sonichu, 05/03/2015

No, That's Sonic Boom Saga.
--Fredinno

== Should the Tom Girl Saga end? ==

Since Chris has stated on facebook that she is no longer a male she is a transwoman, and a female, should the Tom Girl Saga come to a close? .--[[User:Sinistersnare]] 14:13, 7 March 2015 (PDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis worthy of a Saga? ==

chris has been begging for money for a while now, and with the mortgage of around $100,000 that barbara has to pay, i doubt it will end anytime soon.
should it be made its' own unique saga? --Kettleonwater 8th September 2016 10:46am

I think so. Chris may have begged in the past for sex and his PSN account, but I am seeing a pattern recently of him begging for money. The Financhu Crisis Saga -galxylax 13 September 2016 20:06 PST

== Just throwing it out there ==

I feel the next soon starting saga will almost undoubtedly be either The Trump Saga, or the Partyvan saga; since many have been reporting his archived death threats. --[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 22:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say now. On one hand, the anti-Trump vitriol has reached levels of hatefulness on par with classic Chris's anti-gay agenda, and Chris's return to issuing death threats suggests that he's taken quite an exception to Trump's election. On the other hand, Chris is so lazy that unless the death threats/hate rhetoric become a regular thing (a la Financhu Crisis) or he takes overt actions to advance his agenda (a la Sonic Boom Protests), the whole issue may blow over after Trump takes office. There's been an issue in the past with Christorians jumping the gun on declaring new sagas. Sometimes they've called them right, other times it's turned out to be nothing. Also, the fact that so many of Chris's death threats have already been reported, publicly exposed, and even tweeted straight to Trump's Twitter with no retaliatory action taken makes it doubtful that there will be a party van saga.--[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 23:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree with Ujirat here. Wait and see before declaring the Pmurt Saga. This has the possibility to explode into one of the most interesting sagas since the golden age, but right now, there's really nothing of interest that occurred since Eid, Pmurt, Eid and Feelings of the election results. The fumes are there, all we need is a spark.

Maybe if Sonichu restarts, he'll include Trump as a villain and Clinton as a Christ like figure? I don't know. All we can do is wait and see (and prepare the popcorn).

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Edits to Megan and Game Place Sagas ==

Revised the Megan saga because it was described as the "first and longest" of the sagas when the Game Place saga ran a good six years longer than Megan's did. In the interest of the edit not being completely subtractive, the "longest saga" superlative was rewritten in the Game Place saga where it would be accurate. I suppose there's room for debate on it being the longest, though, since there is no exact date known as to when Chris started patronizing the Place, so it can easily be undone in that case. --[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 01:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Update to 2017 ==

It's been roughly a year since the last image was added. I'm working on an extension to the current timeline all the way to 2017, adding in the rest of the Selling out Saga, and adding in the Financhu Crisis. I was wondering if I should add in the Pmurt Saga, as some of you have dubbed it, or if there's anything else you all could think of to include it onto the list. You all have around three days before I upload the finished image.
[[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 02:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't, as the Pmurt Saga is not yet official (and most people are opposed to it anyway; see the "Just throwing it out there" section above)

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems fair. Then I'll just add the rest of the Selling out Saga, and the Financhu Crisis. [[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 03:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Doopie saga ==

If not much else happens with the saga by, say, the end of the year, should it be kept up?
{{Unsigned|Hurtful Truth Level}}
*Probably not. This definitely has potential, but there's the possibility it won't go anywhere like the Jeff, Johan, and Terra Strong debacles. A couple of videos by Chris or an escalation of his discourse with Doopie would solidify this as a saga to me. Otherwise, this wouldn't really be worth mentioning on this article. --[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 20:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
* Yeah, nah, sagas can't really be named until after the fact. I'm removing the doopie section until something funny happens. [[User:Canine|Canine]] ([[User talk:Canine|talk]]) 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
* Recently, Doopie has been becoming subject to trolling mainly from interacting with Chris. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

== Jessica saga? ==

Should Jessica Quinn be a saga?

I think it should be listed, as it's separate enough from the Doopie saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ladyfriend Managers saga ==

There should be a saga entry for the trolling from 2015-2016, which included characters like [[Jeff/Francine]], [[Sam and Ellen]] and [[Johan]]. Chris let it slip that he thought he had a manager at least twice - [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/December_2015_Facebook_Posts in December 2015 on Facebook] and again in July 2016 [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Announcement_20160709|in a video]. Given the timeframe, they were probably behind that content. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

*Reverted an edit which removed the Lady Managers for being too minor of a saga. I disagree - they influenced Chris for a while. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Vanessa Saga ==

Is the Vanessa Saga really a "Saga?" it's just some random troll who chatted Chris a few times via AIM. It doesn't seem like a noticeable chapter in Chris' life to be a saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

==2nd Exile Saga==

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the 2nd CWC exile. I think it should be added. [[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

== Timeline ==

Somebody needs to update the Timeline, that thing hasn't been updated since the Doopie Saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

== Idea Guy ==

It's too soon to declare the idea guy saga over, we should probably wait say a month or so to see if Chris responds to the doxxing fiasco or if he's still under his control.

Does the Idea Guy saga really need to be extended to April? Wise has nothing to do with any of Chris' current shenanigans, and [[Dick Licker; that is I]] [https://kiwifarms.net/members/shadow-resident.23381/ was apparently natural according to Shadow Resident]. Either way, Wise doesn't have any place in recent Chris content. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

*I do have plans to rename the saga to the "Coercion" saga, or something similar, since lately, a lot of what Wise did has pretty much influenced a lot of people to continue fucking up Chris' already messed up psyche. In a sense, it does seem like somewhat of a continuation of the saga in question, we'll just see what happens for the rest of the month. For now, I've decided to rollback all of the edits I've made on the saga itself. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]

== Explain the 'Lady Managers' and Pmurt Sagas ==
I get what in Chris's life they refer to, but I'm not sure whether they should count as sagas, and given that no one has filled in their sections on the page, I don't think I'm alone.

From what I understand the 'Lady Managers Saga' seems to be defined as a combination of Chris's interactions with Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen, and the "lady managers" themselves - but none of these events seem connected, and Chris never mentioned the lady managers in relation to either of the troll encounters. Do we know exactly what influence they had on him?

Calling Chris's comments on Trump a saga feels like a stretch; all they really illustrate is that Chris fairly mainstream political views, but behaves like a child when he doesn't get his way. Chris has made more political content since 2016, but the state of national politics has had no real impact on his life and he's never really acted on his anti-Trump hysteria. If he had written a bunch of left-wing diatribes into Sonichu or stayed home from Bronycon to bash the fash back in Charlottesville, I could understand, but he hasn't, so making a big deal out of it just feels like pro-Trump schadenfreude. While Chris's recent political views are fair game, they're already covered on the [[Chris and politics]] page.

:Writing about the Lady Managers is tricky because they never released their info. We know they were active from December 2015 to July 2016, since Chris let slip at those times that he thought he had managers. The characters they came up have a common theme revolving around mocking or getting Chris to talk about his tomgirl lifestyle - Jeff/Francine was a parody of him and ADF, Sam and Ellen got him to talk about his frozen semen collection and fuck another blow-up doll on camera by framing it as a sex audition for who would get to impregnate them.

:Chris took his hatred against Pmurt to a comical extreme. He wrecked toys as effigies on video, hanged Lego Trump and Pence, and made the death threat. I think it merits a saga because Chris was obsessed with him for a few months and the content was funny. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Merging Idea Guy and Magi-Cryzel sagas ==

[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-590#post-3373402 Evidence has surfaced] which indicates that Josh Wise was responsible for both Idea Guy and the stuff that happened during Magi-Cryzel. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

== Megan ==

I think the Megan saga ended in 2008, when she cut off contact with him. Chris may have raged about her / gotten nostalgic for her years later, but those are more of follow-ups rather than part of the core saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== Null has done nothing ==

Given Chris' recent insane ramblings the consensus on KF seems to be that Idea Guy is back yet again. If Null was still being Chris' bodyguard wouldn't he have stopped this? He got Chris to forward all emails and texts so Josh or that Kentucky guy should have been spotted immediately identified by Null. He's been mum on this for a while too, he hasn't doxed a ween in ages. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

:I never considered the "Guard Dog" saga to be true saga anyways. Also, we have yet to confirm his recent antics to be the acts of the Idea Guys. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

:Null isn't the only bodyguard. The Captain seems to be the one who's talking with Chris the most right now. And like Larry said, it's not confirmed who the new trolls are, whether they're the original Idea Guys or someone else. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

::Though it is an ongoing saga, so if you want to include it, I'd suggest a new entry, "Magi-Chan saga", since the troll is posing as Magi-Chan. If it turns out to have been the original Idea Guys, we can merge it like how we did the Cryzel saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

== Rewrite Dimensional Merge to focus on Teen Troon Squad ==

On other wiki pages, we have entries referring to both "Dimensional Merge" and "Teen Troon Squad," which refer to the same overall chain of events.

But the Merge is more of a subsection of [[Teen Troon Squad]], since it's their idea. And in addition to the Merge, the Squad has also been releasing Idea Guy videos and their own screencaps of convos with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

== Sagas prior to the Megan Saga ==

Since the Megan saga began prior to Chris's discovery, shouldn't we add high school and college as sagas? They were both important times in Christory, and since so many of his early antics happened at [[PVCC]] (i.e., the [[sign]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], etc.), his college days should definitely be a saga. High school too, since that's where he created Sonichu and met his gal pals. Should I go ahead and add high school and college as sagas? [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 22:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

:Based on the current definition of a saga:'an on-going trolling effort or other similar series of events that produces considerable drama over a period of time.', I do not think a high school saga would be appropriate. I do think that you could make a stronger case for a PVCC/Mary Lee Walsh saga since there was much more drama involved and the significant ways Mary Lee Walsh and Chris' time at college would influence his future life. Chris' college years are also the begining of the first online discussion of Chris, so I think a college saga would be important. [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

== Potential MKRNightvee saga ==

Due to Chris more closely and more frequently associating with Meghan Ringo I think that there should be a saga dedicated to her. I think at this point MKR has been outed as a troll and Chris is convinced of her legitimacy. [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454 Thread on MKR's manipulative ways.] - [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:Too soon to call right now. So far, she's only had some set-up done. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

== Chris' twitter lockdown ==

Would you consider his recent twitter actions as a potential 3rd Exile? [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

==Timeline Update==

Since the timeline graphic was last updated there have been sagas created that fall outside the 2005-2018 dates on the timeline graphic. Should I update the timeline graphic with all of the new sagas? [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

== Soft Exile naming issue ==

The way this saga is centered around the exile, it could continue indefinitely if Chris keeps his new account protected. It might be good to refocus this to be about Chris freaking out over the blocking bronies instead - he just tweeted that he's done with the blocking drama, so assuming that holds true, then 22 February would be the end of this saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

:Looks like he's not over it quite yet https://i.imgur.com/QqJdGUl.png [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 07:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

== Reinstate the Merge saga? ==

Chris is still mentioning the merge stuff and it seems like the Teen Troon Squad were just Idea Guy wannabes. Plus the Troon squad is no longer influencing him now.
[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

*I too like this idea. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== Classifying some sagas as eras ==

From a discussion on the Tomgirl Saga talk page, we should reclassify some items on the Saga list as eras instead. An era could be defined as a set of events which could go on indefinitely, as opposed to a saga which is a story that eventually wraps up or fizzles out, and be filed under the same column as the Exile sections. Transgender (renaming Tomgirl), Financhu Crisis, Business, Dimensional Merge, and Soft Exile could classify as that. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure you have thought long and hard about this, but the exiles are already confusing to read after getting through the non-linear list of sagas. Further confusion comes from "Inter Exile Sagas" which are like Star Wars spinoff movies. I don't get it. The timeline graphic is long, and there is overall a lot to wade through. It would be nice to know all of what has happened and is happening at a glance. As for the word "era", it's accurate but less exciting than "saga". [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== New Section: Pre-Christory ==

I was just thinking recently, shouldn't we have a section on Pre-Christory? I'd personally define it as the period before Chris became noticed by Encyclopedia Dramatica. Basically, it would be the period where Chris was still a goofball, but wasn't nearly as infamous. In that same section, I was thinking we should add a sub-section for his high school years, as that somewhat shaped who he is today, and it was a significant era in his life. It would also include the PVCC, Megan, and Adam Sagas.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

== I don't think the Jacob Saga is over ==

With Chris appointing him as the overseer of his Patreon, the Twitter dialogue about wanting to share a kiss, and Jacob planning an alleged Halloween visit suggests that their interactions are far from over. It does seem that the rift from September 28 to now just seems like a lull, and most Sagas had lulls and I know of many that were prematurely given an end date during said lulls. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

== New Categories for Sagas. ==

For the past decade, sagas were put into two groups, ones for sweethearts, others for trolls. Considering that the Love Quest is now over, I think we might need a category for Chris' finances or one for his enablers. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
: Sagas describe the content we get from Chris, and the Financhu Crisis, if looming in the background for quite a while, has certainly not been a running theme driving Chris's antics since 2017 or so. Begging is too related to unrelated, incidental expenses and satisfied by enablers too quickly for Chris to sustain output within a theme. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

== Enablers saga? ==

Should [[Enablers]] / [[Other enablers]] have a saga entry? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

*Why would we need to have an enablers saga? Doesn't the Dimensional Merge Saga kind of cover that? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 08:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

::I agree with PsychoNerd. Classic Chris had an epidemic of weens, and modern Chris has one of enablers. Neither wave of mimics deserves its own saga. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 08:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

== Thetan ==

Maybe [[Thetan]] could be added to the Saga list. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. I feel that Thetan's activities were too broad and far apart to qualify. I mean, she's essentially along the lines of [[Kim Wilson]]/[[Emily]], but she doesn't have a dedicated saga. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 18:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::I'm not sure about Thetan's activities being too broad - those primarily revolved around posing as ex-classmates in 2013/14. She also did other things like impersonate the firefighter or be involved with the Catherine saga though those don't seem as significant as the classmate stuff. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::I see what you are going for in the sense of Thetan posing as Chris's former classmates, but I still feel that making an entire saga around her is unnecessary. Maybe something along the lines of a "Manchester High Reunion Saga" would be a better option. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 19:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Incest Saga ==

Continuing [[:Template talk:Incest|from this talk page]], on second thought maybe we should split "Incest" to a sub-Saga called "Incest Leak Drama"? Leak Drama can house the tangential drama surrounding Bella/the Suitress/The WCT. Because those three weren't involved with the Incest itself so to label them as being part of the "incest" saga on their pages is a bit misleading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:I feel like the "Incest Saga" was always primarily about both the Incest itself, and partly the drama that surrounds it. Even though Bella and the Suitress weren't directly connected to him fucking his mom, I still feel they played a very crucial role in the saga in that the former had essentially recorded Chris admitting to the act, and that the latter had leaked the parts of the call, which subsequently led to his arrest. I guess the stuff on WCT is probably better suited for the "Watchmen Saga"? Anything that's not directly related to Chris should not be summarized under there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::Yeah, Bella/the Suitress were what caused the Incest saga to end. I guess if we keep the incest saga intact and not split it, the part on the tangential drama could just be deleted - the paragraph about Bella's damage control (which is mentioned on her/the Suitress articles anyway). I agree with the point about The WCT because he was acting as a Watchman when he tried asking Bella for her side of the story and ended up getting manipulated into her sideshow drama which isn't really directly related to Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

==Third Exile==

Now that Chris has been transferred out of jail, should we consider renaming "Jail Saga" to the "Third Exile"? Because it doesn't seem we'll get that much out of the hospital. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

:Is he still technically incarcerated, just at the hospital instead of a jail? He might return to the jail later. Maybe wait until whatever happens in July to clarify his situation. Or rename it now and rename it again in July if needed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

::In that case, I guess we can keep the name. If he goes back to jail, we can just add the date in which he's brought back. I just don't really see a "Nuthouse Saga" anytime soon. If by July he's still in the nuthouse, I say we rename it. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

== Everfree Northwest ==

At the moment, all of the stuff regarding Everfree is considered part of the Watchmen saga. I can't help but think we should move it to the Jacob saga, as a majority of the concerns regarding that event was about Jacob showing up there in disguise, and was basically the whole reason Chris asked Bella and the Suitress to accompany him. Any objections to this? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Sounds fine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Nuthouse Saga Merge ==

Should we merge the nuthouse saga with the jail saga? Given it was such a short period of time, I feel like it's more accurate to describe it as an event of the jail saga rather than it's own listed period of time, as well as it being covered on the [[Jail Saga]] page already. [[User:SodaSpring|SodaSpring]] ([[User talk:SodaSpring|talk]]) 05:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

== Freedom Saga ==

The most recent saga in this page is entitled "Freedom Saga" which I named. The previous name for this saga was "CWC Was Here Saga" which I changed as I thought it was too long. There is currently no consensus on what the name of the saga that covers the 8 August 2023-Present should be so I choose "Freedom Saga" as an interregnum name. Does anyone have a better suggestion on what the name of this saga should be?
:Both "Freedom" and "Incognito" are too vague and could be the name of other sagas. There are other sagas which have longer names then "CWC Was Here" such as the "Nathaniel Greene" or "Leonard Bearstein" sagas. The saga icon is a reference to {{w|Kilroy was here}}, which I think fits well. Another saga name could be "Kilroy" saga, but I think that would be too confusing. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 13:45, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

== Offical Rename ==

I just held a poll on the Offical CWCki Discord Server for what name to choose for the current saga, these were the results.

CWC Was Here Saga - 1 Vote

Incognito saga - 1 Vote

Freedom Saga - 7 Votes

I think we have a very obvious favorite here, I propose an offical rename to the '''Freedom Saga'''. Stop changing it back to CWC Was Here Saga [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]], most people dislike the name. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 21:21, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

:I was unaware most people disliked it other than you and that other editor as when I messed up the previous saga name, everyone kicked off on reddit, which I did not see this time. I apologize. I think Incognito works the best, and it still with the saga icon. I will change it now. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 22:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

== Merge incognito and third exile saga ==

They really aren't too different. Incognito Saga still has loads of post-jail sightings that apparently aren't a part of that saga, and the page has an 'other sightings' part for no real reason. It should just be Third Exile saga with Chris becoming more active in the latter half of the saga. I think that would be a lot more simple. Also it should go from 27 March to 16 October, he seems to be actually returning now. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (EDT)

== Christmas Saga? ==

Over the past few days Chris has been talking about Chistmas on Twitter. He's predictably acting entitled and expecting his "fans" go shower him with gifts, he even hijacked Toys For Tots and made it about himself. Now this isn't new behavior out of Chris but I think this time is distinct because this is the first Christmas he'll have post jail and in his new position as Praetor's captive. I fully expect Chris to get more and more worked up about Christmas as it gets closer and he'll become more and more perfectionist. Those in the [[Unholy Tetrad]] will take notice, they always do, and given his Amazon wishlist tweet I fully expect weens to send a bunch of MLP G5 stuff to him. We don't need a crystal ball to see what happens next, Christmas will fall short of his expectations and he'll bitch about it be it on Youtube or Twitter. This has the potential to give us the first post-jail tard rage video.

We're in for a lulzy Christmas that I believe will be quite notable.

[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:01, 14 December 2023 (EST)

== Publicity Saga ==

I suggest creating a new saga, starting from January 4 and the Cary, NC sighting, Publicty Saga.
As a result of his past actions, Chris has gotten a lot of bad publicity, both because of his own actions, and a group of weens and enablers he has ecompassed over the many years, especially now, after the Second Coming. Chris is on the blacklist of many cons, was kicked out of Aniamte! Raleigh, and now seeks shelter in unlikely places, such as the Keffals livestream.
Flutter also seems to have left the scene as of January 13, as Chris was spotted alone near the airport that day.
So far, the current events are:

- January 4 -
sighting in Cary, NC, which made weens aware of the event

- January 5-6 -
Animate! Raleigh, Chris was not allowed on the second day due to reports to the staff

- January 7 -
Chris claims that he has had a good weekend, doesn't acknowledge the events at the con

- January 13 -
Lone sighting at a gas station (probably WaWa) in Henrico County, near the Richmond International Airport, probably returning after dropping off Flutter

A textwall ranting about CosmicKeyframe blocking him, start of bigger ween interactions over the next few following days

- January 14 -
Announcement of the Keffals livestream with him

- January 15 -
New video ranting about G5, con ban, blocking on Twitter ect

A bit of a Q&A on Twitter with weens

Keffals has a livestream in which, among other things, she states that the conversation with Chris will be pre recorded and heavily edited
[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 06:33, 16 January 2024 (EST)

:I see the potential, sounds good. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (EST)
:May be a bit early to declare a saga, should wait a bit to see if the pattern holds. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:04, 16 January 2024 (EST)

== New saga? ==

We lacked a Flutter saga, but as you still believe she might be a real deal and not want to be on there, fair. However, with Chris's absense from the internet (Over two weeks, all the content we get is pre recorded or by other parties), I think we might have entered either a soft exile due to Flutter, or another weird part of the Revelations Saga. I do not even wanna call it Revelations Saga anymore as all of the revelations have been done already. We've got nothing new going on right now. The whole Caden thing was a dead end. What do we do in this situation?

And PS: How do I make a single reference to the CWCki for multiple items? I kinda need it for the video games list article.[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:Should probably just wait until things become clearer. No need to rush with naming sagas. Currently seems to be a slow time for Christory. For the references you can do <nowiki><ref name=streampoll>[[February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll|From screenshots of his games shared by him on Twitter.]]</ref></nowiki> for the first item, then <nowiki><ref name=streampoll></ref></nowiki> for the rest. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:We already had a soft exile in 2019. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 21:44, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Revelations Saga over? ==

While it's probably too early to name a new saga, I feel that we're at a point now when we've learned the bulk of what we're going to about the Jail Saga. Because of that, I feel like it's a misnomer to say we're still in the Revelations Saga at this point. The GFM meetup and interview probably marked the end of whatever else we're going to learn outside of the inevitable years-long dripfeed. Should we officially declare the saga to have ended on March 18? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 06:39, 27 April 2024 (EDT)
:Praetor still hasn't released the Goddess Logs so there is still a lot more info about jail on the way. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 08:54, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

== The new saga (Third time's a charm) ==

Considering that we saw a large shift in Chris's behavious and online activity that became even more commercialised than before, with the new website, Minecraft lets plays and the Play Button in his possession, I suggest that we do finally make a new saga. Revelations is no longer, well, relevant, due to the fact that we now learn nothing new about Chris other than his long Twitter rants that are likely AI generated with some corrections from him. The Commercialised Saga/CWCLight Saga/Extortion Saga are all possible names. I feel like all that we're gonna get as of now is more Praetor produced content. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

:I dunno, this sounds like an extension of the existing Business and Praetor sagas. What extortion? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:35, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

::I agree that the Revelations Saga is almost definitely over with the flurry of recent events, but it's still too soon imo to determine what will contextualize the next saga. The recent trip puts the potential of a Flutter Saga back into the spotlight, but it's still too soon to declare anything. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:34, 4 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga ==

Ever since he's left jail, I think it's become clear that Chris is no longer financially struggling like he used to. Ignoring his multiple overseas vacations and the fact that he now lives on his own, Chris has had a steady passive income from his and Praetor's merchandise ever since he first went to jail. He's rarely begged for money since the first few months of the Jail Saga, and even when he's done so, it's been during streams and done in a largely normalized way. The panic and guilt-tripping present in the e-begging between 2016 and 2021 is a thing of the past. While much can be said about Caden's situation, and speculated about Barb's, I think it's become clear that Chris is essentially financially stable as of his arrest.

On another note, I think it's worth discussing whether it's time to elevate Praetor to a Meta-Saga. Chris has been involved with Caden and Praetor for nearly half a decade at this point, and especially since he's left jail, a majority of his presence online has been dictated by their manipulation, their financing, their contributions to Chris's content, or Chris's attempts to draw attention to their merchandise. We're at a point where a vast majority of Chris's videos from the past two years are tagged with the Praetor saga, and it's almost become redundant. It's clear that without their constant presence, Chris's output would be very different right now. It would be setting a new precedent since no individual troll or group has ever been elevated to Meta-Saga status before, but I think Praetor has been the first to posit an argument for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:27, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:I agree with both suggestions. When would you say that the Financhu Crisis ended? [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 09:05, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:Agree that Financhu Crisis is over for now. Maybe we should count [[debt]] cases for it, Chris had a garnishment case filed in March 2023 and it was tossed for "no funds" in April. If Praetor is put as a meta saga it'd be concurrent with the Business meta-saga... is there enough distinction between Praetor and Business? It seems to me that Praetor could also be added as a paragraph in Business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
::Agreed in regard to the debt; I'd say the Financhu Crisis ended on 26 April 2023 based on that info.

::I think the main difference between the Praetor and Business sagas is that the Business Saga intrinsically revolved around Chris's self-sustained business ventures, while the Praetor saga essentially sees Chris working under someone else for the first time in his life, aside from his brief stint at Wendy's. In effect, this means that the Business Saga was characterized by Chris's inability to run a business on his own. The entertainment came from the unique ways he failed to do so when he was given full creative and financial control. Meanwhile, the Praetor Saga is characterized by Chris's new role as an employee in someone else's business,, and seems to essentially revolve around him trying to keep his 'bosses' satisfied. The entertainment (however little there is) comes from the times Chris has slipped up and fucked them or himself over despite their clear attempts to idiot-proof him. They're similar on a surface level, but in practice, they've played out very distinctly from each other. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 21:21, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:::That distinction makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is this (finally) a saga? ==

I feel like I'm posting here a lot, but CWC's recent flood of support toward [[Kamala Harris]] on Twitter, and subsequent anger following [[Pmurt]]'s reelection, seems like the closest thing we've gotten to a cohesive saga since the Third Exile. He's done multiple videos/streams mentioning or focusing on it, and he's been posting and reposting about it at basically every opportunity. He literally made several custom yard signs and posted them illegally outside 14BC. In retrospect, now that it's winding down, it really does feel like it qualifies from my perspective. Should this be counted as a new saga, and if so, should it be codified as the Kamala Saga or the Second Pmurt Saga? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:26, 6 November 2024 (EST)

Talk:Saga

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Cottonmather: /* Is this (finally) a saga? */

Add the sagas that we have from the [[List of Videos]] page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
*The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --[[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
* Add information involving the Ebay stuff to the Facebook Saga section. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
* Add the 2014 sagas to the Sagas timeline. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)

* I actually really like these. [[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Your wish is my command. It is done. I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly? I can get started on a timeline. I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful. Are there any other sagas that should be here? I assume not. What do we need to add to make this... complete... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

==Timeline==
[[Image:Timeline.png|right]]
So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
*I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
:*I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)
*I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.
----[[User:Kwippleton|Kwippleton]] 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

==Gregg Mays saga==
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

==Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?==
Or does anyone think it's too early? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
* I was about to suggest the same thing. With the [[Kill de Jack|recent]] [[To Clyde and Jack|videos]] aimed at him, the [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|three]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 2|phone]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 3|calls]] and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention [[It's UGH!|previous]] [[Chris humps his PS3|antics]], there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** And I think it has begun! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]] Saga. You like? --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Awesome job on the icon! --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
===Actually...===
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. [[User:Chris fangs|Chris fangs]] 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/File:Timeline.png], which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]

*Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]
::::*I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==The CWCki Saga, anyone?==

I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
*Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death. If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it. If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Vanessa Saga==

My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== more saga sum up images ==

we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others
[[image:Picture_4.png]]

== Tito saga ==

'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named [[Lovely Weather]]. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to [[The Wallflower]]? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
* Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==IRL Saga?==

It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
* I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**How about 'Reality Saga'? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
***If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**** I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
***** I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flipnote Hatena saga ==

Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
*It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
**Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--[[User:Yoyoddd|Yoyoddd]] 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
***I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
****Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
*****Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint ''somewhere''.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==PS3 Saga?==

Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

==Missing Sagas==
Why aren't the sagas caused by [[Vanessa_Saga|Joshua Martinez]] included on the saga list?
*1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

==On Sagas==
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

*Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called [[Ivy]] and the article on the Liquid Saga is called [[Liquid Chris]]. But then there are articles which are literally called [[Miyamoto Saga]] or [[Vanessa Saga]], which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Vanessa Hudgens]]. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are [[:Template:BlancaSaga]] and [[:Template:MeganSaga]]. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
:*Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
::*Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

== Individual Saga pages ==

I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
* EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
* I made a [[Tomgirl Saga]] page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
*I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the [[Ivy]] page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the [[Liquid Chris]] page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
**I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
*** i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
* I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

== Second Exile saga? ==

Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

- I disagree. A time without content, I feel, shouldn't be considered a saga.--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] 13:01, 3 Feburary 2014

== Regarding the Catherine Saga ==

I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
:Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I have added some details to the Catherine and Sonic sagas, but I think that you are right about combining the Facebook saga point. A good deal of information from Catherine is not really typical trolling, but further information on Chris's condition as a Tomgirl and his general repulsive self. It may be a good idea to combine the two into some sort of saga, rather than having two separate sections.[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 13:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== Is there an "Ebay" Saga going on right now? ==

Considering all of the ebay stuff that has been going on for a while, like the situation with Mr. Smith, the Tribalism art, and such, should it be considered a saga? It's long enough to be considered as saga, but I'm wondering it there was enough content to validate it being called a saga. -Fredinno, Feb 3, 2014.

*I think it would be best to make a Facebook Saga, as Champthom suggested above. Maybe Catherine could also be mentioned here too? And his return to his art. [[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

*I disagree, but I'm beaten, 3 to 1. Oh well, I guess I'll combine those two together. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

== Tomgirl Saga vs Calling Out Saga ==

Should the Calling Out Saga be separated from the Tomgirl Saga? The two things, in my opinion, are very different from each other, and many people from the Cwcki Forums, including me, believe the two are different Sagas. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*You are right, they are two different things, but I think the reason they have been put together is because it's part of Chris's Tomgirl phase. I don't really think Calling Out qualifies as a Saga in its own right, so, personally, I would argue against giving it its own section. I am assuming it was added to give a bit more volume to the Tomgirl Saga, but, now that we have more information on Chris's Tomgirl antics, we could replace Calling Out with something else.

*So, to link back to what we were talking about above, I guess maybe Catherine could go with Tomgirl - as Chris's first lesbian encounter. The eBay stuff could then go to a Facebook Saga because it marks a change in both Chris's personality, since he has become more withdrawn, and how he communicates, being far more paranoid and holding court only to a select few. Obviously, this withdrawal has also come about from Bob's death, and also why he is allegedly selling stuff on eBay because he claims to need the money more for him and Barb. So, here you can see a link between the change in Chris and ''why'' he has returned to making his artwork and selling stuff, but it also demonstrates a change in how trolling Chris has changed. Granted, he's still being trolled, but it's not as abrasive as it once was because it can only be done through eBay - again because Chris has cut off all contact.

*Anyway, if you see the links there that I'm thinking of, you'll understand why I want to merge the eBay Saga with Facebook, plus I don't really think enough happened for it to warrant a Saga in its own right, but I haven't seen the pages on the wiki to document it so I could be wrong on that point. Let me know how you see it and how you think Chris's recent shenanigans would be best documented. Once everyone has discussed it we will probably have a good idea of the most efficient way of categorizing his recent behavior into Sagas. Apologies for wall of text,[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 11:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*Really, though I can agree with your statement that Ebay Saga should be merged with Facebook Saga, (since there were many miscellaneous Facebook posts important to Chrisdom and Christory, the two sometimes connect with each other via Chris, and the 'ebay saga' only contains 2 fiascos that were really funny). Catherine should probably be its own saga, in my opinion, due to that stuff being related directly to a new sweetheart, but I could understand why you want it to be included as a "Tomgirl Saga, Part 2" sort of thing. On the other hand, Calling Out really has a enough content in relation to it, to be a saga, but is too big simply to be left as not a part of any saga. Since it was cut short by Bob's death, it should be considered its own saga.

In summary, I believe we should merge Facebook and Ebay Sagas, maybe merge Tomgirl and Catherine, but decouple Calling out from Tomgirl. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 21:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

== The Boxing Day Saga ==

Should there be a separate saga for SONIC'S ARMS ARE NOT FREAKING BLUE!!!
I know that the saga is older than what I will now call the "Boxing Day GameStop Spritzing", but it has a nice, poetic ring to it.
--Troll-chan Sonichu, 05/03/2015

No, That's Sonic Boom Saga.
--Fredinno

== Should the Tom Girl Saga end? ==

Since Chris has stated on facebook that she is no longer a male she is a transwoman, and a female, should the Tom Girl Saga come to a close? .--[[User:Sinistersnare]] 14:13, 7 March 2015 (PDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis worthy of a Saga? ==

chris has been begging for money for a while now, and with the mortgage of around $100,000 that barbara has to pay, i doubt it will end anytime soon.
should it be made its' own unique saga? --Kettleonwater 8th September 2016 10:46am

I think so. Chris may have begged in the past for sex and his PSN account, but I am seeing a pattern recently of him begging for money. The Financhu Crisis Saga -galxylax 13 September 2016 20:06 PST

== Just throwing it out there ==

I feel the next soon starting saga will almost undoubtedly be either The Trump Saga, or the Partyvan saga; since many have been reporting his archived death threats. --[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 22:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say now. On one hand, the anti-Trump vitriol has reached levels of hatefulness on par with classic Chris's anti-gay agenda, and Chris's return to issuing death threats suggests that he's taken quite an exception to Trump's election. On the other hand, Chris is so lazy that unless the death threats/hate rhetoric become a regular thing (a la Financhu Crisis) or he takes overt actions to advance his agenda (a la Sonic Boom Protests), the whole issue may blow over after Trump takes office. There's been an issue in the past with Christorians jumping the gun on declaring new sagas. Sometimes they've called them right, other times it's turned out to be nothing. Also, the fact that so many of Chris's death threats have already been reported, publicly exposed, and even tweeted straight to Trump's Twitter with no retaliatory action taken makes it doubtful that there will be a party van saga.--[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 23:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree with Ujirat here. Wait and see before declaring the Pmurt Saga. This has the possibility to explode into one of the most interesting sagas since the golden age, but right now, there's really nothing of interest that occurred since Eid, Pmurt, Eid and Feelings of the election results. The fumes are there, all we need is a spark.

Maybe if Sonichu restarts, he'll include Trump as a villain and Clinton as a Christ like figure? I don't know. All we can do is wait and see (and prepare the popcorn).

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Edits to Megan and Game Place Sagas ==

Revised the Megan saga because it was described as the "first and longest" of the sagas when the Game Place saga ran a good six years longer than Megan's did. In the interest of the edit not being completely subtractive, the "longest saga" superlative was rewritten in the Game Place saga where it would be accurate. I suppose there's room for debate on it being the longest, though, since there is no exact date known as to when Chris started patronizing the Place, so it can easily be undone in that case. --[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 01:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Update to 2017 ==

It's been roughly a year since the last image was added. I'm working on an extension to the current timeline all the way to 2017, adding in the rest of the Selling out Saga, and adding in the Financhu Crisis. I was wondering if I should add in the Pmurt Saga, as some of you have dubbed it, or if there's anything else you all could think of to include it onto the list. You all have around three days before I upload the finished image.
[[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 02:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't, as the Pmurt Saga is not yet official (and most people are opposed to it anyway; see the "Just throwing it out there" section above)

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems fair. Then I'll just add the rest of the Selling out Saga, and the Financhu Crisis. [[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 03:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Doopie saga ==

If not much else happens with the saga by, say, the end of the year, should it be kept up?
{{Unsigned|Hurtful Truth Level}}
*Probably not. This definitely has potential, but there's the possibility it won't go anywhere like the Jeff, Johan, and Terra Strong debacles. A couple of videos by Chris or an escalation of his discourse with Doopie would solidify this as a saga to me. Otherwise, this wouldn't really be worth mentioning on this article. --[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 20:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
* Yeah, nah, sagas can't really be named until after the fact. I'm removing the doopie section until something funny happens. [[User:Canine|Canine]] ([[User talk:Canine|talk]]) 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
* Recently, Doopie has been becoming subject to trolling mainly from interacting with Chris. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

== Jessica saga? ==

Should Jessica Quinn be a saga?

I think it should be listed, as it's separate enough from the Doopie saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ladyfriend Managers saga ==

There should be a saga entry for the trolling from 2015-2016, which included characters like [[Jeff/Francine]], [[Sam and Ellen]] and [[Johan]]. Chris let it slip that he thought he had a manager at least twice - [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/December_2015_Facebook_Posts in December 2015 on Facebook] and again in July 2016 [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Announcement_20160709|in a video]. Given the timeframe, they were probably behind that content. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

*Reverted an edit which removed the Lady Managers for being too minor of a saga. I disagree - they influenced Chris for a while. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Vanessa Saga ==

Is the Vanessa Saga really a "Saga?" it's just some random troll who chatted Chris a few times via AIM. It doesn't seem like a noticeable chapter in Chris' life to be a saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

==2nd Exile Saga==

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the 2nd CWC exile. I think it should be added. [[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

== Timeline ==

Somebody needs to update the Timeline, that thing hasn't been updated since the Doopie Saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

== Idea Guy ==

It's too soon to declare the idea guy saga over, we should probably wait say a month or so to see if Chris responds to the doxxing fiasco or if he's still under his control.

Does the Idea Guy saga really need to be extended to April? Wise has nothing to do with any of Chris' current shenanigans, and [[Dick Licker; that is I]] [https://kiwifarms.net/members/shadow-resident.23381/ was apparently natural according to Shadow Resident]. Either way, Wise doesn't have any place in recent Chris content. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

*I do have plans to rename the saga to the "Coercion" saga, or something similar, since lately, a lot of what Wise did has pretty much influenced a lot of people to continue fucking up Chris' already messed up psyche. In a sense, it does seem like somewhat of a continuation of the saga in question, we'll just see what happens for the rest of the month. For now, I've decided to rollback all of the edits I've made on the saga itself. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]

== Explain the 'Lady Managers' and Pmurt Sagas ==
I get what in Chris's life they refer to, but I'm not sure whether they should count as sagas, and given that no one has filled in their sections on the page, I don't think I'm alone.

From what I understand the 'Lady Managers Saga' seems to be defined as a combination of Chris's interactions with Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen, and the "lady managers" themselves - but none of these events seem connected, and Chris never mentioned the lady managers in relation to either of the troll encounters. Do we know exactly what influence they had on him?

Calling Chris's comments on Trump a saga feels like a stretch; all they really illustrate is that Chris fairly mainstream political views, but behaves like a child when he doesn't get his way. Chris has made more political content since 2016, but the state of national politics has had no real impact on his life and he's never really acted on his anti-Trump hysteria. If he had written a bunch of left-wing diatribes into Sonichu or stayed home from Bronycon to bash the fash back in Charlottesville, I could understand, but he hasn't, so making a big deal out of it just feels like pro-Trump schadenfreude. While Chris's recent political views are fair game, they're already covered on the [[Chris and politics]] page.

:Writing about the Lady Managers is tricky because they never released their info. We know they were active from December 2015 to July 2016, since Chris let slip at those times that he thought he had managers. The characters they came up have a common theme revolving around mocking or getting Chris to talk about his tomgirl lifestyle - Jeff/Francine was a parody of him and ADF, Sam and Ellen got him to talk about his frozen semen collection and fuck another blow-up doll on camera by framing it as a sex audition for who would get to impregnate them.

:Chris took his hatred against Pmurt to a comical extreme. He wrecked toys as effigies on video, hanged Lego Trump and Pence, and made the death threat. I think it merits a saga because Chris was obsessed with him for a few months and the content was funny. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Merging Idea Guy and Magi-Cryzel sagas ==

[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-590#post-3373402 Evidence has surfaced] which indicates that Josh Wise was responsible for both Idea Guy and the stuff that happened during Magi-Cryzel. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

== Megan ==

I think the Megan saga ended in 2008, when she cut off contact with him. Chris may have raged about her / gotten nostalgic for her years later, but those are more of follow-ups rather than part of the core saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== Null has done nothing ==

Given Chris' recent insane ramblings the consensus on KF seems to be that Idea Guy is back yet again. If Null was still being Chris' bodyguard wouldn't he have stopped this? He got Chris to forward all emails and texts so Josh or that Kentucky guy should have been spotted immediately identified by Null. He's been mum on this for a while too, he hasn't doxed a ween in ages. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

:I never considered the "Guard Dog" saga to be true saga anyways. Also, we have yet to confirm his recent antics to be the acts of the Idea Guys. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

:Null isn't the only bodyguard. The Captain seems to be the one who's talking with Chris the most right now. And like Larry said, it's not confirmed who the new trolls are, whether they're the original Idea Guys or someone else. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

::Though it is an ongoing saga, so if you want to include it, I'd suggest a new entry, "Magi-Chan saga", since the troll is posing as Magi-Chan. If it turns out to have been the original Idea Guys, we can merge it like how we did the Cryzel saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

== Rewrite Dimensional Merge to focus on Teen Troon Squad ==

On other wiki pages, we have entries referring to both "Dimensional Merge" and "Teen Troon Squad," which refer to the same overall chain of events.

But the Merge is more of a subsection of [[Teen Troon Squad]], since it's their idea. And in addition to the Merge, the Squad has also been releasing Idea Guy videos and their own screencaps of convos with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

== Sagas prior to the Megan Saga ==

Since the Megan saga began prior to Chris's discovery, shouldn't we add high school and college as sagas? They were both important times in Christory, and since so many of his early antics happened at [[PVCC]] (i.e., the [[sign]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], etc.), his college days should definitely be a saga. High school too, since that's where he created Sonichu and met his gal pals. Should I go ahead and add high school and college as sagas? [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 22:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

:Based on the current definition of a saga:'an on-going trolling effort or other similar series of events that produces considerable drama over a period of time.', I do not think a high school saga would be appropriate. I do think that you could make a stronger case for a PVCC/Mary Lee Walsh saga since there was much more drama involved and the significant ways Mary Lee Walsh and Chris' time at college would influence his future life. Chris' college years are also the begining of the first online discussion of Chris, so I think a college saga would be important. [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

== Potential MKRNightvee saga ==

Due to Chris more closely and more frequently associating with Meghan Ringo I think that there should be a saga dedicated to her. I think at this point MKR has been outed as a troll and Chris is convinced of her legitimacy. [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454 Thread on MKR's manipulative ways.] - [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:Too soon to call right now. So far, she's only had some set-up done. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

== Chris' twitter lockdown ==

Would you consider his recent twitter actions as a potential 3rd Exile? [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

==Timeline Update==

Since the timeline graphic was last updated there have been sagas created that fall outside the 2005-2018 dates on the timeline graphic. Should I update the timeline graphic with all of the new sagas? [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

== Soft Exile naming issue ==

The way this saga is centered around the exile, it could continue indefinitely if Chris keeps his new account protected. It might be good to refocus this to be about Chris freaking out over the blocking bronies instead - he just tweeted that he's done with the blocking drama, so assuming that holds true, then 22 February would be the end of this saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

:Looks like he's not over it quite yet https://i.imgur.com/QqJdGUl.png [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 07:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

== Reinstate the Merge saga? ==

Chris is still mentioning the merge stuff and it seems like the Teen Troon Squad were just Idea Guy wannabes. Plus the Troon squad is no longer influencing him now.
[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

*I too like this idea. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== Classifying some sagas as eras ==

From a discussion on the Tomgirl Saga talk page, we should reclassify some items on the Saga list as eras instead. An era could be defined as a set of events which could go on indefinitely, as opposed to a saga which is a story that eventually wraps up or fizzles out, and be filed under the same column as the Exile sections. Transgender (renaming Tomgirl), Financhu Crisis, Business, Dimensional Merge, and Soft Exile could classify as that. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure you have thought long and hard about this, but the exiles are already confusing to read after getting through the non-linear list of sagas. Further confusion comes from "Inter Exile Sagas" which are like Star Wars spinoff movies. I don't get it. The timeline graphic is long, and there is overall a lot to wade through. It would be nice to know all of what has happened and is happening at a glance. As for the word "era", it's accurate but less exciting than "saga". [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== New Section: Pre-Christory ==

I was just thinking recently, shouldn't we have a section on Pre-Christory? I'd personally define it as the period before Chris became noticed by Encyclopedia Dramatica. Basically, it would be the period where Chris was still a goofball, but wasn't nearly as infamous. In that same section, I was thinking we should add a sub-section for his high school years, as that somewhat shaped who he is today, and it was a significant era in his life. It would also include the PVCC, Megan, and Adam Sagas.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

== I don't think the Jacob Saga is over ==

With Chris appointing him as the overseer of his Patreon, the Twitter dialogue about wanting to share a kiss, and Jacob planning an alleged Halloween visit suggests that their interactions are far from over. It does seem that the rift from September 28 to now just seems like a lull, and most Sagas had lulls and I know of many that were prematurely given an end date during said lulls. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

== New Categories for Sagas. ==

For the past decade, sagas were put into two groups, ones for sweethearts, others for trolls. Considering that the Love Quest is now over, I think we might need a category for Chris' finances or one for his enablers. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
: Sagas describe the content we get from Chris, and the Financhu Crisis, if looming in the background for quite a while, has certainly not been a running theme driving Chris's antics since 2017 or so. Begging is too related to unrelated, incidental expenses and satisfied by enablers too quickly for Chris to sustain output within a theme. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

== Enablers saga? ==

Should [[Enablers]] / [[Other enablers]] have a saga entry? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

*Why would we need to have an enablers saga? Doesn't the Dimensional Merge Saga kind of cover that? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 08:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

::I agree with PsychoNerd. Classic Chris had an epidemic of weens, and modern Chris has one of enablers. Neither wave of mimics deserves its own saga. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 08:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

== Thetan ==

Maybe [[Thetan]] could be added to the Saga list. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. I feel that Thetan's activities were too broad and far apart to qualify. I mean, she's essentially along the lines of [[Kim Wilson]]/[[Emily]], but she doesn't have a dedicated saga. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 18:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::I'm not sure about Thetan's activities being too broad - those primarily revolved around posing as ex-classmates in 2013/14. She also did other things like impersonate the firefighter or be involved with the Catherine saga though those don't seem as significant as the classmate stuff. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::I see what you are going for in the sense of Thetan posing as Chris's former classmates, but I still feel that making an entire saga around her is unnecessary. Maybe something along the lines of a "Manchester High Reunion Saga" would be a better option. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 19:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Incest Saga ==

Continuing [[:Template talk:Incest|from this talk page]], on second thought maybe we should split "Incest" to a sub-Saga called "Incest Leak Drama"? Leak Drama can house the tangential drama surrounding Bella/the Suitress/The WCT. Because those three weren't involved with the Incest itself so to label them as being part of the "incest" saga on their pages is a bit misleading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:I feel like the "Incest Saga" was always primarily about both the Incest itself, and partly the drama that surrounds it. Even though Bella and the Suitress weren't directly connected to him fucking his mom, I still feel they played a very crucial role in the saga in that the former had essentially recorded Chris admitting to the act, and that the latter had leaked the parts of the call, which subsequently led to his arrest. I guess the stuff on WCT is probably better suited for the "Watchmen Saga"? Anything that's not directly related to Chris should not be summarized under there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::Yeah, Bella/the Suitress were what caused the Incest saga to end. I guess if we keep the incest saga intact and not split it, the part on the tangential drama could just be deleted - the paragraph about Bella's damage control (which is mentioned on her/the Suitress articles anyway). I agree with the point about The WCT because he was acting as a Watchman when he tried asking Bella for her side of the story and ended up getting manipulated into her sideshow drama which isn't really directly related to Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

==Third Exile==

Now that Chris has been transferred out of jail, should we consider renaming "Jail Saga" to the "Third Exile"? Because it doesn't seem we'll get that much out of the hospital. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

:Is he still technically incarcerated, just at the hospital instead of a jail? He might return to the jail later. Maybe wait until whatever happens in July to clarify his situation. Or rename it now and rename it again in July if needed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

::In that case, I guess we can keep the name. If he goes back to jail, we can just add the date in which he's brought back. I just don't really see a "Nuthouse Saga" anytime soon. If by July he's still in the nuthouse, I say we rename it. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

== Everfree Northwest ==

At the moment, all of the stuff regarding Everfree is considered part of the Watchmen saga. I can't help but think we should move it to the Jacob saga, as a majority of the concerns regarding that event was about Jacob showing up there in disguise, and was basically the whole reason Chris asked Bella and the Suitress to accompany him. Any objections to this? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Sounds fine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Nuthouse Saga Merge ==

Should we merge the nuthouse saga with the jail saga? Given it was such a short period of time, I feel like it's more accurate to describe it as an event of the jail saga rather than it's own listed period of time, as well as it being covered on the [[Jail Saga]] page already. [[User:SodaSpring|SodaSpring]] ([[User talk:SodaSpring|talk]]) 05:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

== Freedom Saga ==

The most recent saga in this page is entitled "Freedom Saga" which I named. The previous name for this saga was "CWC Was Here Saga" which I changed as I thought it was too long. There is currently no consensus on what the name of the saga that covers the 8 August 2023-Present should be so I choose "Freedom Saga" as an interregnum name. Does anyone have a better suggestion on what the name of this saga should be?
:Both "Freedom" and "Incognito" are too vague and could be the name of other sagas. There are other sagas which have longer names then "CWC Was Here" such as the "Nathaniel Greene" or "Leonard Bearstein" sagas. The saga icon is a reference to {{w|Kilroy was here}}, which I think fits well. Another saga name could be "Kilroy" saga, but I think that would be too confusing. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 13:45, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

== Offical Rename ==

I just held a poll on the Offical CWCki Discord Server for what name to choose for the current saga, these were the results.

CWC Was Here Saga - 1 Vote

Incognito saga - 1 Vote

Freedom Saga - 7 Votes

I think we have a very obvious favorite here, I propose an offical rename to the '''Freedom Saga'''. Stop changing it back to CWC Was Here Saga [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]], most people dislike the name. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 21:21, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

:I was unaware most people disliked it other than you and that other editor as when I messed up the previous saga name, everyone kicked off on reddit, which I did not see this time. I apologize. I think Incognito works the best, and it still with the saga icon. I will change it now. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 22:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

== Merge incognito and third exile saga ==

They really aren't too different. Incognito Saga still has loads of post-jail sightings that apparently aren't a part of that saga, and the page has an 'other sightings' part for no real reason. It should just be Third Exile saga with Chris becoming more active in the latter half of the saga. I think that would be a lot more simple. Also it should go from 27 March to 16 October, he seems to be actually returning now. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (EDT)

== Christmas Saga? ==

Over the past few days Chris has been talking about Chistmas on Twitter. He's predictably acting entitled and expecting his "fans" go shower him with gifts, he even hijacked Toys For Tots and made it about himself. Now this isn't new behavior out of Chris but I think this time is distinct because this is the first Christmas he'll have post jail and in his new position as Praetor's captive. I fully expect Chris to get more and more worked up about Christmas as it gets closer and he'll become more and more perfectionist. Those in the [[Unholy Tetrad]] will take notice, they always do, and given his Amazon wishlist tweet I fully expect weens to send a bunch of MLP G5 stuff to him. We don't need a crystal ball to see what happens next, Christmas will fall short of his expectations and he'll bitch about it be it on Youtube or Twitter. This has the potential to give us the first post-jail tard rage video.

We're in for a lulzy Christmas that I believe will be quite notable.

[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:01, 14 December 2023 (EST)

== Publicity Saga ==

I suggest creating a new saga, starting from January 4 and the Cary, NC sighting, Publicty Saga.
As a result of his past actions, Chris has gotten a lot of bad publicity, both because of his own actions, and a group of weens and enablers he has ecompassed over the many years, especially now, after the Second Coming. Chris is on the blacklist of many cons, was kicked out of Aniamte! Raleigh, and now seeks shelter in unlikely places, such as the Keffals livestream.
Flutter also seems to have left the scene as of January 13, as Chris was spotted alone near the airport that day.
So far, the current events are:

- January 4 -
sighting in Cary, NC, which made weens aware of the event

- January 5-6 -
Animate! Raleigh, Chris was not allowed on the second day due to reports to the staff

- January 7 -
Chris claims that he has had a good weekend, doesn't acknowledge the events at the con

- January 13 -
Lone sighting at a gas station (probably WaWa) in Henrico County, near the Richmond International Airport, probably returning after dropping off Flutter

A textwall ranting about CosmicKeyframe blocking him, start of bigger ween interactions over the next few following days

- January 14 -
Announcement of the Keffals livestream with him

- January 15 -
New video ranting about G5, con ban, blocking on Twitter ect

A bit of a Q&A on Twitter with weens

Keffals has a livestream in which, among other things, she states that the conversation with Chris will be pre recorded and heavily edited
[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 06:33, 16 January 2024 (EST)

:I see the potential, sounds good. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (EST)
:May be a bit early to declare a saga, should wait a bit to see if the pattern holds. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:04, 16 January 2024 (EST)

== New saga? ==

We lacked a Flutter saga, but as you still believe she might be a real deal and not want to be on there, fair. However, with Chris's absense from the internet (Over two weeks, all the content we get is pre recorded or by other parties), I think we might have entered either a soft exile due to Flutter, or another weird part of the Revelations Saga. I do not even wanna call it Revelations Saga anymore as all of the revelations have been done already. We've got nothing new going on right now. The whole Caden thing was a dead end. What do we do in this situation?

And PS: How do I make a single reference to the CWCki for multiple items? I kinda need it for the video games list article.[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:Should probably just wait until things become clearer. No need to rush with naming sagas. Currently seems to be a slow time for Christory. For the references you can do <nowiki><ref name=streampoll>[[February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll|From screenshots of his games shared by him on Twitter.]]</ref></nowiki> for the first item, then <nowiki><ref name=streampoll></ref></nowiki> for the rest. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:We already had a soft exile in 2019. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 21:44, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Revelations Saga over? ==

While it's probably too early to name a new saga, I feel that we're at a point now when we've learned the bulk of what we're going to about the Jail Saga. Because of that, I feel like it's a misnomer to say we're still in the Revelations Saga at this point. The GFM meetup and interview probably marked the end of whatever else we're going to learn outside of the inevitable years-long dripfeed. Should we officially declare the saga to have ended on March 18? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 06:39, 27 April 2024 (EDT)
:Praetor still hasn't released the Goddess Logs so there is still a lot more info about jail on the way. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 08:54, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

== The new saga (Third time's a charm) ==

Considering that we saw a large shift in Chris's behavious and online activity that became even more commercialised than before, with the new website, Minecraft lets plays and the Play Button in his possession, I suggest that we do finally make a new saga. Revelations is no longer, well, relevant, due to the fact that we now learn nothing new about Chris other than his long Twitter rants that are likely AI generated with some corrections from him. The Commercialised Saga/CWCLight Saga/Extortion Saga are all possible names. I feel like all that we're gonna get as of now is more Praetor produced content. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

:I dunno, this sounds like an extension of the existing Business and Praetor sagas. What extortion? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:35, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

::I agree that the Revelations Saga is almost definitely over with the flurry of recent events, but it's still too soon imo to determine what will contextualize the next saga. The recent trip puts the potential of a Flutter Saga back into the spotlight, but it's still too soon to declare anything. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:34, 4 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga ==

Ever since he's left jail, I think it's become clear that Chris is no longer financially struggling like he used to. Ignoring his multiple overseas vacations and the fact that he now lives on his own, Chris has had a steady passive income from his and Praetor's merchandise ever since he first went to jail. He's rarely begged for money since the first few months of the Jail Saga, and even when he's done so, it's been during streams and done in a largely normalized way. The panic and guilt-tripping present in the e-begging between 2016 and 2021 is a thing of the past. While much can be said about Caden's situation, and speculated about Barb's, I think it's become clear that Chris is essentially financially stable as of his arrest.

On another note, I think it's worth discussing whether it's time to elevate Praetor to a Meta-Saga. Chris has been involved with Caden and Praetor for nearly half a decade at this point, and especially since he's left jail, a majority of his presence online has been dictated by their manipulation, their financing, their contributions to Chris's content, or Chris's attempts to draw attention to their merchandise. We're at a point where a vast majority of Chris's videos from the past two years are tagged with the Praetor saga, and it's almost become redundant. It's clear that without their constant presence, Chris's output would be very different right now. It would be setting a new precedent since no individual troll or group has ever been elevated to Meta-Saga status before, but I think Praetor has been the first to posit an argument for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:27, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:I agree with both suggestions. When would you say that the Financhu Crisis ended? [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 09:05, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:Agree that Financhu Crisis is over for now. Maybe we should count [[debt]] cases for it, Chris had a garnishment case filed in March 2023 and it was tossed for "no funds" in April. If Praetor is put as a meta saga it'd be concurrent with the Business meta-saga... is there enough distinction between Praetor and Business? It seems to me that Praetor could also be added as a paragraph in Business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
::Agreed in regard to the debt; I'd say the Financhu Crisis ended on 26 April 2023 based on that info.

::I think the main difference between the Praetor and Business sagas is that the Business Saga intrinsically revolved around Chris's self-sustained business ventures, while the Praetor saga essentially sees Chris working under someone else for the first time in his life, aside from his brief stint at Wendy's. In effect, this means that the Business Saga was characterized by Chris's inability to run a business on his own. The entertainment came from the unique ways he failed to do so when he was given full creative and financial control. Meanwhile, the Praetor Saga is characterized by Chris's new role as an employee in someone else's business,, and seems to essentially revolve around him trying to keep his 'bosses' satisfied. The entertainment (however little there is) comes from the times Chris has slipped up and fucked them or himself over despite their clear attempts to idiot-proof him. They're similar on a surface level, but in practice, they've played out very distinctly from each other. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 21:21, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:::That distinction makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is this (finally) a saga? ==

I feel like I'm posting here a lot, but CWC's recent flood of support toward [[Kamala Harris]] on Twitter, and subsequent anger following [[Pmurt]]'s reelection, seems like the closest thing we've gotten to a cohesive saga since the Third Exile. He's done multiple videos/streams mentioning or focusing on it, and he's been posting and reposting about it at basically every opportunity. In retrospect, now that it's winding down, it really does feel like it qualifies from my perspective. Should this be counted as a new saga, and if so, should it be codified as the Kamala Saga or the Second Pmurt Saga? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:26, 6 November 2024 (EST)

Talk:Saga

2024-11-07T01:26:15Z

Cottonmather: /* Is this a saga? */ new section

Add the sagas that we have from the [[List of Videos]] page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
*The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --[[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
* Add information involving the Ebay stuff to the Facebook Saga section. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
* Add the 2014 sagas to the Sagas timeline. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)

* I actually really like these. [[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Your wish is my command. It is done. I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly? I can get started on a timeline. I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful. Are there any other sagas that should be here? I assume not. What do we need to add to make this... complete... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

==Timeline==
[[Image:Timeline.png|right]]
So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
*I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
:*I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)
*I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.
----[[User:Kwippleton|Kwippleton]] 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

==Gregg Mays saga==
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

==Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?==
Or does anyone think it's too early? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
* I was about to suggest the same thing. With the [[Kill de Jack|recent]] [[To Clyde and Jack|videos]] aimed at him, the [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|three]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 2|phone]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 3|calls]] and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention [[It's UGH!|previous]] [[Chris humps his PS3|antics]], there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** And I think it has begun! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]] Saga. You like? --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Awesome job on the icon! --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
===Actually...===
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. [[User:Chris fangs|Chris fangs]] 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/File:Timeline.png], which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]

*Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]
::::*I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==The CWCki Saga, anyone?==

I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
*Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death. If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it. If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Vanessa Saga==

My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== more saga sum up images ==

we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others
[[image:Picture_4.png]]

== Tito saga ==

'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named [[Lovely Weather]]. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to [[The Wallflower]]? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
* Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==IRL Saga?==

It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
* I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**How about 'Reality Saga'? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
***If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**** I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
***** I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flipnote Hatena saga ==

Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
*It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
**Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--[[User:Yoyoddd|Yoyoddd]] 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
***I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
****Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
*****Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint ''somewhere''.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==PS3 Saga?==

Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

==Missing Sagas==
Why aren't the sagas caused by [[Vanessa_Saga|Joshua Martinez]] included on the saga list?
*1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

==On Sagas==
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

*Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called [[Ivy]] and the article on the Liquid Saga is called [[Liquid Chris]]. But then there are articles which are literally called [[Miyamoto Saga]] or [[Vanessa Saga]], which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Vanessa Hudgens]]. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are [[:Template:BlancaSaga]] and [[:Template:MeganSaga]]. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
:*Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
::*Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

== Individual Saga pages ==

I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
* EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
* I made a [[Tomgirl Saga]] page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
*I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the [[Ivy]] page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the [[Liquid Chris]] page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
**I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
*** i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
* I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

== Second Exile saga? ==

Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

- I disagree. A time without content, I feel, shouldn't be considered a saga.--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] 13:01, 3 Feburary 2014

== Regarding the Catherine Saga ==

I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
:Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I have added some details to the Catherine and Sonic sagas, but I think that you are right about combining the Facebook saga point. A good deal of information from Catherine is not really typical trolling, but further information on Chris's condition as a Tomgirl and his general repulsive self. It may be a good idea to combine the two into some sort of saga, rather than having two separate sections.[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 13:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== Is there an "Ebay" Saga going on right now? ==

Considering all of the ebay stuff that has been going on for a while, like the situation with Mr. Smith, the Tribalism art, and such, should it be considered a saga? It's long enough to be considered as saga, but I'm wondering it there was enough content to validate it being called a saga. -Fredinno, Feb 3, 2014.

*I think it would be best to make a Facebook Saga, as Champthom suggested above. Maybe Catherine could also be mentioned here too? And his return to his art. [[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

*I disagree, but I'm beaten, 3 to 1. Oh well, I guess I'll combine those two together. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

== Tomgirl Saga vs Calling Out Saga ==

Should the Calling Out Saga be separated from the Tomgirl Saga? The two things, in my opinion, are very different from each other, and many people from the Cwcki Forums, including me, believe the two are different Sagas. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*You are right, they are two different things, but I think the reason they have been put together is because it's part of Chris's Tomgirl phase. I don't really think Calling Out qualifies as a Saga in its own right, so, personally, I would argue against giving it its own section. I am assuming it was added to give a bit more volume to the Tomgirl Saga, but, now that we have more information on Chris's Tomgirl antics, we could replace Calling Out with something else.

*So, to link back to what we were talking about above, I guess maybe Catherine could go with Tomgirl - as Chris's first lesbian encounter. The eBay stuff could then go to a Facebook Saga because it marks a change in both Chris's personality, since he has become more withdrawn, and how he communicates, being far more paranoid and holding court only to a select few. Obviously, this withdrawal has also come about from Bob's death, and also why he is allegedly selling stuff on eBay because he claims to need the money more for him and Barb. So, here you can see a link between the change in Chris and ''why'' he has returned to making his artwork and selling stuff, but it also demonstrates a change in how trolling Chris has changed. Granted, he's still being trolled, but it's not as abrasive as it once was because it can only be done through eBay - again because Chris has cut off all contact.

*Anyway, if you see the links there that I'm thinking of, you'll understand why I want to merge the eBay Saga with Facebook, plus I don't really think enough happened for it to warrant a Saga in its own right, but I haven't seen the pages on the wiki to document it so I could be wrong on that point. Let me know how you see it and how you think Chris's recent shenanigans would be best documented. Once everyone has discussed it we will probably have a good idea of the most efficient way of categorizing his recent behavior into Sagas. Apologies for wall of text,[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 11:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*Really, though I can agree with your statement that Ebay Saga should be merged with Facebook Saga, (since there were many miscellaneous Facebook posts important to Chrisdom and Christory, the two sometimes connect with each other via Chris, and the 'ebay saga' only contains 2 fiascos that were really funny). Catherine should probably be its own saga, in my opinion, due to that stuff being related directly to a new sweetheart, but I could understand why you want it to be included as a "Tomgirl Saga, Part 2" sort of thing. On the other hand, Calling Out really has a enough content in relation to it, to be a saga, but is too big simply to be left as not a part of any saga. Since it was cut short by Bob's death, it should be considered its own saga.

In summary, I believe we should merge Facebook and Ebay Sagas, maybe merge Tomgirl and Catherine, but decouple Calling out from Tomgirl. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 21:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

== The Boxing Day Saga ==

Should there be a separate saga for SONIC'S ARMS ARE NOT FREAKING BLUE!!!
I know that the saga is older than what I will now call the "Boxing Day GameStop Spritzing", but it has a nice, poetic ring to it.
--Troll-chan Sonichu, 05/03/2015

No, That's Sonic Boom Saga.
--Fredinno

== Should the Tom Girl Saga end? ==

Since Chris has stated on facebook that she is no longer a male she is a transwoman, and a female, should the Tom Girl Saga come to a close? .--[[User:Sinistersnare]] 14:13, 7 March 2015 (PDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis worthy of a Saga? ==

chris has been begging for money for a while now, and with the mortgage of around $100,000 that barbara has to pay, i doubt it will end anytime soon.
should it be made its' own unique saga? --Kettleonwater 8th September 2016 10:46am

I think so. Chris may have begged in the past for sex and his PSN account, but I am seeing a pattern recently of him begging for money. The Financhu Crisis Saga -galxylax 13 September 2016 20:06 PST

== Just throwing it out there ==

I feel the next soon starting saga will almost undoubtedly be either The Trump Saga, or the Partyvan saga; since many have been reporting his archived death threats. --[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 22:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say now. On one hand, the anti-Trump vitriol has reached levels of hatefulness on par with classic Chris's anti-gay agenda, and Chris's return to issuing death threats suggests that he's taken quite an exception to Trump's election. On the other hand, Chris is so lazy that unless the death threats/hate rhetoric become a regular thing (a la Financhu Crisis) or he takes overt actions to advance his agenda (a la Sonic Boom Protests), the whole issue may blow over after Trump takes office. There's been an issue in the past with Christorians jumping the gun on declaring new sagas. Sometimes they've called them right, other times it's turned out to be nothing. Also, the fact that so many of Chris's death threats have already been reported, publicly exposed, and even tweeted straight to Trump's Twitter with no retaliatory action taken makes it doubtful that there will be a party van saga.--[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 23:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree with Ujirat here. Wait and see before declaring the Pmurt Saga. This has the possibility to explode into one of the most interesting sagas since the golden age, but right now, there's really nothing of interest that occurred since Eid, Pmurt, Eid and Feelings of the election results. The fumes are there, all we need is a spark.

Maybe if Sonichu restarts, he'll include Trump as a villain and Clinton as a Christ like figure? I don't know. All we can do is wait and see (and prepare the popcorn).

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Edits to Megan and Game Place Sagas ==

Revised the Megan saga because it was described as the "first and longest" of the sagas when the Game Place saga ran a good six years longer than Megan's did. In the interest of the edit not being completely subtractive, the "longest saga" superlative was rewritten in the Game Place saga where it would be accurate. I suppose there's room for debate on it being the longest, though, since there is no exact date known as to when Chris started patronizing the Place, so it can easily be undone in that case. --[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 01:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Update to 2017 ==

It's been roughly a year since the last image was added. I'm working on an extension to the current timeline all the way to 2017, adding in the rest of the Selling out Saga, and adding in the Financhu Crisis. I was wondering if I should add in the Pmurt Saga, as some of you have dubbed it, or if there's anything else you all could think of to include it onto the list. You all have around three days before I upload the finished image.
[[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 02:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't, as the Pmurt Saga is not yet official (and most people are opposed to it anyway; see the "Just throwing it out there" section above)

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems fair. Then I'll just add the rest of the Selling out Saga, and the Financhu Crisis. [[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 03:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Doopie saga ==

If not much else happens with the saga by, say, the end of the year, should it be kept up?
{{Unsigned|Hurtful Truth Level}}
*Probably not. This definitely has potential, but there's the possibility it won't go anywhere like the Jeff, Johan, and Terra Strong debacles. A couple of videos by Chris or an escalation of his discourse with Doopie would solidify this as a saga to me. Otherwise, this wouldn't really be worth mentioning on this article. --[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 20:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
* Yeah, nah, sagas can't really be named until after the fact. I'm removing the doopie section until something funny happens. [[User:Canine|Canine]] ([[User talk:Canine|talk]]) 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
* Recently, Doopie has been becoming subject to trolling mainly from interacting with Chris. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

== Jessica saga? ==

Should Jessica Quinn be a saga?

I think it should be listed, as it's separate enough from the Doopie saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ladyfriend Managers saga ==

There should be a saga entry for the trolling from 2015-2016, which included characters like [[Jeff/Francine]], [[Sam and Ellen]] and [[Johan]]. Chris let it slip that he thought he had a manager at least twice - [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/December_2015_Facebook_Posts in December 2015 on Facebook] and again in July 2016 [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Announcement_20160709|in a video]. Given the timeframe, they were probably behind that content. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

*Reverted an edit which removed the Lady Managers for being too minor of a saga. I disagree - they influenced Chris for a while. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Vanessa Saga ==

Is the Vanessa Saga really a "Saga?" it's just some random troll who chatted Chris a few times via AIM. It doesn't seem like a noticeable chapter in Chris' life to be a saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

==2nd Exile Saga==

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the 2nd CWC exile. I think it should be added. [[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

== Timeline ==

Somebody needs to update the Timeline, that thing hasn't been updated since the Doopie Saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

== Idea Guy ==

It's too soon to declare the idea guy saga over, we should probably wait say a month or so to see if Chris responds to the doxxing fiasco or if he's still under his control.

Does the Idea Guy saga really need to be extended to April? Wise has nothing to do with any of Chris' current shenanigans, and [[Dick Licker; that is I]] [https://kiwifarms.net/members/shadow-resident.23381/ was apparently natural according to Shadow Resident]. Either way, Wise doesn't have any place in recent Chris content. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

*I do have plans to rename the saga to the "Coercion" saga, or something similar, since lately, a lot of what Wise did has pretty much influenced a lot of people to continue fucking up Chris' already messed up psyche. In a sense, it does seem like somewhat of a continuation of the saga in question, we'll just see what happens for the rest of the month. For now, I've decided to rollback all of the edits I've made on the saga itself. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]

== Explain the 'Lady Managers' and Pmurt Sagas ==
I get what in Chris's life they refer to, but I'm not sure whether they should count as sagas, and given that no one has filled in their sections on the page, I don't think I'm alone.

From what I understand the 'Lady Managers Saga' seems to be defined as a combination of Chris's interactions with Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen, and the "lady managers" themselves - but none of these events seem connected, and Chris never mentioned the lady managers in relation to either of the troll encounters. Do we know exactly what influence they had on him?

Calling Chris's comments on Trump a saga feels like a stretch; all they really illustrate is that Chris fairly mainstream political views, but behaves like a child when he doesn't get his way. Chris has made more political content since 2016, but the state of national politics has had no real impact on his life and he's never really acted on his anti-Trump hysteria. If he had written a bunch of left-wing diatribes into Sonichu or stayed home from Bronycon to bash the fash back in Charlottesville, I could understand, but he hasn't, so making a big deal out of it just feels like pro-Trump schadenfreude. While Chris's recent political views are fair game, they're already covered on the [[Chris and politics]] page.

:Writing about the Lady Managers is tricky because they never released their info. We know they were active from December 2015 to July 2016, since Chris let slip at those times that he thought he had managers. The characters they came up have a common theme revolving around mocking or getting Chris to talk about his tomgirl lifestyle - Jeff/Francine was a parody of him and ADF, Sam and Ellen got him to talk about his frozen semen collection and fuck another blow-up doll on camera by framing it as a sex audition for who would get to impregnate them.

:Chris took his hatred against Pmurt to a comical extreme. He wrecked toys as effigies on video, hanged Lego Trump and Pence, and made the death threat. I think it merits a saga because Chris was obsessed with him for a few months and the content was funny. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Merging Idea Guy and Magi-Cryzel sagas ==

[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-590#post-3373402 Evidence has surfaced] which indicates that Josh Wise was responsible for both Idea Guy and the stuff that happened during Magi-Cryzel. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

== Megan ==

I think the Megan saga ended in 2008, when she cut off contact with him. Chris may have raged about her / gotten nostalgic for her years later, but those are more of follow-ups rather than part of the core saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== Null has done nothing ==

Given Chris' recent insane ramblings the consensus on KF seems to be that Idea Guy is back yet again. If Null was still being Chris' bodyguard wouldn't he have stopped this? He got Chris to forward all emails and texts so Josh or that Kentucky guy should have been spotted immediately identified by Null. He's been mum on this for a while too, he hasn't doxed a ween in ages. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

:I never considered the "Guard Dog" saga to be true saga anyways. Also, we have yet to confirm his recent antics to be the acts of the Idea Guys. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

:Null isn't the only bodyguard. The Captain seems to be the one who's talking with Chris the most right now. And like Larry said, it's not confirmed who the new trolls are, whether they're the original Idea Guys or someone else. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

::Though it is an ongoing saga, so if you want to include it, I'd suggest a new entry, "Magi-Chan saga", since the troll is posing as Magi-Chan. If it turns out to have been the original Idea Guys, we can merge it like how we did the Cryzel saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

== Rewrite Dimensional Merge to focus on Teen Troon Squad ==

On other wiki pages, we have entries referring to both "Dimensional Merge" and "Teen Troon Squad," which refer to the same overall chain of events.

But the Merge is more of a subsection of [[Teen Troon Squad]], since it's their idea. And in addition to the Merge, the Squad has also been releasing Idea Guy videos and their own screencaps of convos with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

== Sagas prior to the Megan Saga ==

Since the Megan saga began prior to Chris's discovery, shouldn't we add high school and college as sagas? They were both important times in Christory, and since so many of his early antics happened at [[PVCC]] (i.e., the [[sign]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], etc.), his college days should definitely be a saga. High school too, since that's where he created Sonichu and met his gal pals. Should I go ahead and add high school and college as sagas? [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 22:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

:Based on the current definition of a saga:'an on-going trolling effort or other similar series of events that produces considerable drama over a period of time.', I do not think a high school saga would be appropriate. I do think that you could make a stronger case for a PVCC/Mary Lee Walsh saga since there was much more drama involved and the significant ways Mary Lee Walsh and Chris' time at college would influence his future life. Chris' college years are also the begining of the first online discussion of Chris, so I think a college saga would be important. [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

== Potential MKRNightvee saga ==

Due to Chris more closely and more frequently associating with Meghan Ringo I think that there should be a saga dedicated to her. I think at this point MKR has been outed as a troll and Chris is convinced of her legitimacy. [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454 Thread on MKR's manipulative ways.] - [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:Too soon to call right now. So far, she's only had some set-up done. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

== Chris' twitter lockdown ==

Would you consider his recent twitter actions as a potential 3rd Exile? [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

==Timeline Update==

Since the timeline graphic was last updated there have been sagas created that fall outside the 2005-2018 dates on the timeline graphic. Should I update the timeline graphic with all of the new sagas? [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

== Soft Exile naming issue ==

The way this saga is centered around the exile, it could continue indefinitely if Chris keeps his new account protected. It might be good to refocus this to be about Chris freaking out over the blocking bronies instead - he just tweeted that he's done with the blocking drama, so assuming that holds true, then 22 February would be the end of this saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

:Looks like he's not over it quite yet https://i.imgur.com/QqJdGUl.png [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 07:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

== Reinstate the Merge saga? ==

Chris is still mentioning the merge stuff and it seems like the Teen Troon Squad were just Idea Guy wannabes. Plus the Troon squad is no longer influencing him now.
[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

*I too like this idea. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== Classifying some sagas as eras ==

From a discussion on the Tomgirl Saga talk page, we should reclassify some items on the Saga list as eras instead. An era could be defined as a set of events which could go on indefinitely, as opposed to a saga which is a story that eventually wraps up or fizzles out, and be filed under the same column as the Exile sections. Transgender (renaming Tomgirl), Financhu Crisis, Business, Dimensional Merge, and Soft Exile could classify as that. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure you have thought long and hard about this, but the exiles are already confusing to read after getting through the non-linear list of sagas. Further confusion comes from "Inter Exile Sagas" which are like Star Wars spinoff movies. I don't get it. The timeline graphic is long, and there is overall a lot to wade through. It would be nice to know all of what has happened and is happening at a glance. As for the word "era", it's accurate but less exciting than "saga". [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== New Section: Pre-Christory ==

I was just thinking recently, shouldn't we have a section on Pre-Christory? I'd personally define it as the period before Chris became noticed by Encyclopedia Dramatica. Basically, it would be the period where Chris was still a goofball, but wasn't nearly as infamous. In that same section, I was thinking we should add a sub-section for his high school years, as that somewhat shaped who he is today, and it was a significant era in his life. It would also include the PVCC, Megan, and Adam Sagas.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

== I don't think the Jacob Saga is over ==

With Chris appointing him as the overseer of his Patreon, the Twitter dialogue about wanting to share a kiss, and Jacob planning an alleged Halloween visit suggests that their interactions are far from over. It does seem that the rift from September 28 to now just seems like a lull, and most Sagas had lulls and I know of many that were prematurely given an end date during said lulls. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

== New Categories for Sagas. ==

For the past decade, sagas were put into two groups, ones for sweethearts, others for trolls. Considering that the Love Quest is now over, I think we might need a category for Chris' finances or one for his enablers. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
: Sagas describe the content we get from Chris, and the Financhu Crisis, if looming in the background for quite a while, has certainly not been a running theme driving Chris's antics since 2017 or so. Begging is too related to unrelated, incidental expenses and satisfied by enablers too quickly for Chris to sustain output within a theme. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

== Enablers saga? ==

Should [[Enablers]] / [[Other enablers]] have a saga entry? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

*Why would we need to have an enablers saga? Doesn't the Dimensional Merge Saga kind of cover that? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 08:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

::I agree with PsychoNerd. Classic Chris had an epidemic of weens, and modern Chris has one of enablers. Neither wave of mimics deserves its own saga. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 08:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

== Thetan ==

Maybe [[Thetan]] could be added to the Saga list. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. I feel that Thetan's activities were too broad and far apart to qualify. I mean, she's essentially along the lines of [[Kim Wilson]]/[[Emily]], but she doesn't have a dedicated saga. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 18:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::I'm not sure about Thetan's activities being too broad - those primarily revolved around posing as ex-classmates in 2013/14. She also did other things like impersonate the firefighter or be involved with the Catherine saga though those don't seem as significant as the classmate stuff. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::I see what you are going for in the sense of Thetan posing as Chris's former classmates, but I still feel that making an entire saga around her is unnecessary. Maybe something along the lines of a "Manchester High Reunion Saga" would be a better option. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 19:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Incest Saga ==

Continuing [[:Template talk:Incest|from this talk page]], on second thought maybe we should split "Incest" to a sub-Saga called "Incest Leak Drama"? Leak Drama can house the tangential drama surrounding Bella/the Suitress/The WCT. Because those three weren't involved with the Incest itself so to label them as being part of the "incest" saga on their pages is a bit misleading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:I feel like the "Incest Saga" was always primarily about both the Incest itself, and partly the drama that surrounds it. Even though Bella and the Suitress weren't directly connected to him fucking his mom, I still feel they played a very crucial role in the saga in that the former had essentially recorded Chris admitting to the act, and that the latter had leaked the parts of the call, which subsequently led to his arrest. I guess the stuff on WCT is probably better suited for the "Watchmen Saga"? Anything that's not directly related to Chris should not be summarized under there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::Yeah, Bella/the Suitress were what caused the Incest saga to end. I guess if we keep the incest saga intact and not split it, the part on the tangential drama could just be deleted - the paragraph about Bella's damage control (which is mentioned on her/the Suitress articles anyway). I agree with the point about The WCT because he was acting as a Watchman when he tried asking Bella for her side of the story and ended up getting manipulated into her sideshow drama which isn't really directly related to Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

==Third Exile==

Now that Chris has been transferred out of jail, should we consider renaming "Jail Saga" to the "Third Exile"? Because it doesn't seem we'll get that much out of the hospital. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

:Is he still technically incarcerated, just at the hospital instead of a jail? He might return to the jail later. Maybe wait until whatever happens in July to clarify his situation. Or rename it now and rename it again in July if needed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

::In that case, I guess we can keep the name. If he goes back to jail, we can just add the date in which he's brought back. I just don't really see a "Nuthouse Saga" anytime soon. If by July he's still in the nuthouse, I say we rename it. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

== Everfree Northwest ==

At the moment, all of the stuff regarding Everfree is considered part of the Watchmen saga. I can't help but think we should move it to the Jacob saga, as a majority of the concerns regarding that event was about Jacob showing up there in disguise, and was basically the whole reason Chris asked Bella and the Suitress to accompany him. Any objections to this? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Sounds fine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Nuthouse Saga Merge ==

Should we merge the nuthouse saga with the jail saga? Given it was such a short period of time, I feel like it's more accurate to describe it as an event of the jail saga rather than it's own listed period of time, as well as it being covered on the [[Jail Saga]] page already. [[User:SodaSpring|SodaSpring]] ([[User talk:SodaSpring|talk]]) 05:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

== Freedom Saga ==

The most recent saga in this page is entitled "Freedom Saga" which I named. The previous name for this saga was "CWC Was Here Saga" which I changed as I thought it was too long. There is currently no consensus on what the name of the saga that covers the 8 August 2023-Present should be so I choose "Freedom Saga" as an interregnum name. Does anyone have a better suggestion on what the name of this saga should be?
:Both "Freedom" and "Incognito" are too vague and could be the name of other sagas. There are other sagas which have longer names then "CWC Was Here" such as the "Nathaniel Greene" or "Leonard Bearstein" sagas. The saga icon is a reference to {{w|Kilroy was here}}, which I think fits well. Another saga name could be "Kilroy" saga, but I think that would be too confusing. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 13:45, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

== Offical Rename ==

I just held a poll on the Offical CWCki Discord Server for what name to choose for the current saga, these were the results.

CWC Was Here Saga - 1 Vote

Incognito saga - 1 Vote

Freedom Saga - 7 Votes

I think we have a very obvious favorite here, I propose an offical rename to the '''Freedom Saga'''. Stop changing it back to CWC Was Here Saga [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]], most people dislike the name. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 21:21, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

:I was unaware most people disliked it other than you and that other editor as when I messed up the previous saga name, everyone kicked off on reddit, which I did not see this time. I apologize. I think Incognito works the best, and it still with the saga icon. I will change it now. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 22:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

== Merge incognito and third exile saga ==

They really aren't too different. Incognito Saga still has loads of post-jail sightings that apparently aren't a part of that saga, and the page has an 'other sightings' part for no real reason. It should just be Third Exile saga with Chris becoming more active in the latter half of the saga. I think that would be a lot more simple. Also it should go from 27 March to 16 October, he seems to be actually returning now. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (EDT)

== Christmas Saga? ==

Over the past few days Chris has been talking about Chistmas on Twitter. He's predictably acting entitled and expecting his "fans" go shower him with gifts, he even hijacked Toys For Tots and made it about himself. Now this isn't new behavior out of Chris but I think this time is distinct because this is the first Christmas he'll have post jail and in his new position as Praetor's captive. I fully expect Chris to get more and more worked up about Christmas as it gets closer and he'll become more and more perfectionist. Those in the [[Unholy Tetrad]] will take notice, they always do, and given his Amazon wishlist tweet I fully expect weens to send a bunch of MLP G5 stuff to him. We don't need a crystal ball to see what happens next, Christmas will fall short of his expectations and he'll bitch about it be it on Youtube or Twitter. This has the potential to give us the first post-jail tard rage video.

We're in for a lulzy Christmas that I believe will be quite notable.

[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:01, 14 December 2023 (EST)

== Publicity Saga ==

I suggest creating a new saga, starting from January 4 and the Cary, NC sighting, Publicty Saga.
As a result of his past actions, Chris has gotten a lot of bad publicity, both because of his own actions, and a group of weens and enablers he has ecompassed over the many years, especially now, after the Second Coming. Chris is on the blacklist of many cons, was kicked out of Aniamte! Raleigh, and now seeks shelter in unlikely places, such as the Keffals livestream.
Flutter also seems to have left the scene as of January 13, as Chris was spotted alone near the airport that day.
So far, the current events are:

- January 4 -
sighting in Cary, NC, which made weens aware of the event

- January 5-6 -
Animate! Raleigh, Chris was not allowed on the second day due to reports to the staff

- January 7 -
Chris claims that he has had a good weekend, doesn't acknowledge the events at the con

- January 13 -
Lone sighting at a gas station (probably WaWa) in Henrico County, near the Richmond International Airport, probably returning after dropping off Flutter

A textwall ranting about CosmicKeyframe blocking him, start of bigger ween interactions over the next few following days

- January 14 -
Announcement of the Keffals livestream with him

- January 15 -
New video ranting about G5, con ban, blocking on Twitter ect

A bit of a Q&A on Twitter with weens

Keffals has a livestream in which, among other things, she states that the conversation with Chris will be pre recorded and heavily edited
[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 06:33, 16 January 2024 (EST)

:I see the potential, sounds good. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (EST)
:May be a bit early to declare a saga, should wait a bit to see if the pattern holds. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:04, 16 January 2024 (EST)

== New saga? ==

We lacked a Flutter saga, but as you still believe she might be a real deal and not want to be on there, fair. However, with Chris's absense from the internet (Over two weeks, all the content we get is pre recorded or by other parties), I think we might have entered either a soft exile due to Flutter, or another weird part of the Revelations Saga. I do not even wanna call it Revelations Saga anymore as all of the revelations have been done already. We've got nothing new going on right now. The whole Caden thing was a dead end. What do we do in this situation?

And PS: How do I make a single reference to the CWCki for multiple items? I kinda need it for the video games list article.[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:Should probably just wait until things become clearer. No need to rush with naming sagas. Currently seems to be a slow time for Christory. For the references you can do <nowiki><ref name=streampoll>[[February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll|From screenshots of his games shared by him on Twitter.]]</ref></nowiki> for the first item, then <nowiki><ref name=streampoll></ref></nowiki> for the rest. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:We already had a soft exile in 2019. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 21:44, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Revelations Saga over? ==

While it's probably too early to name a new saga, I feel that we're at a point now when we've learned the bulk of what we're going to about the Jail Saga. Because of that, I feel like it's a misnomer to say we're still in the Revelations Saga at this point. The GFM meetup and interview probably marked the end of whatever else we're going to learn outside of the inevitable years-long dripfeed. Should we officially declare the saga to have ended on March 18? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 06:39, 27 April 2024 (EDT)
:Praetor still hasn't released the Goddess Logs so there is still a lot more info about jail on the way. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 08:54, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

== The new saga (Third time's a charm) ==

Considering that we saw a large shift in Chris's behavious and online activity that became even more commercialised than before, with the new website, Minecraft lets plays and the Play Button in his possession, I suggest that we do finally make a new saga. Revelations is no longer, well, relevant, due to the fact that we now learn nothing new about Chris other than his long Twitter rants that are likely AI generated with some corrections from him. The Commercialised Saga/CWCLight Saga/Extortion Saga are all possible names. I feel like all that we're gonna get as of now is more Praetor produced content. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

:I dunno, this sounds like an extension of the existing Business and Praetor sagas. What extortion? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:35, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

::I agree that the Revelations Saga is almost definitely over with the flurry of recent events, but it's still too soon imo to determine what will contextualize the next saga. The recent trip puts the potential of a Flutter Saga back into the spotlight, but it's still too soon to declare anything. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:34, 4 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga ==

Ever since he's left jail, I think it's become clear that Chris is no longer financially struggling like he used to. Ignoring his multiple overseas vacations and the fact that he now lives on his own, Chris has had a steady passive income from his and Praetor's merchandise ever since he first went to jail. He's rarely begged for money since the first few months of the Jail Saga, and even when he's done so, it's been during streams and done in a largely normalized way. The panic and guilt-tripping present in the e-begging between 2016 and 2021 is a thing of the past. While much can be said about Caden's situation, and speculated about Barb's, I think it's become clear that Chris is essentially financially stable as of his arrest.

On another note, I think it's worth discussing whether it's time to elevate Praetor to a Meta-Saga. Chris has been involved with Caden and Praetor for nearly half a decade at this point, and especially since he's left jail, a majority of his presence online has been dictated by their manipulation, their financing, their contributions to Chris's content, or Chris's attempts to draw attention to their merchandise. We're at a point where a vast majority of Chris's videos from the past two years are tagged with the Praetor saga, and it's almost become redundant. It's clear that without their constant presence, Chris's output would be very different right now. It would be setting a new precedent since no individual troll or group has ever been elevated to Meta-Saga status before, but I think Praetor has been the first to posit an argument for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:27, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:I agree with both suggestions. When would you say that the Financhu Crisis ended? [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 09:05, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:Agree that Financhu Crisis is over for now. Maybe we should count [[debt]] cases for it, Chris had a garnishment case filed in March 2023 and it was tossed for "no funds" in April. If Praetor is put as a meta saga it'd be concurrent with the Business meta-saga... is there enough distinction between Praetor and Business? It seems to me that Praetor could also be added as a paragraph in Business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
::Agreed in regard to the debt; I'd say the Financhu Crisis ended on 26 April 2023 based on that info.

::I think the main difference between the Praetor and Business sagas is that the Business Saga intrinsically revolved around Chris's self-sustained business ventures, while the Praetor saga essentially sees Chris working under someone else for the first time in his life, aside from his brief stint at Wendy's. In effect, this means that the Business Saga was characterized by Chris's inability to run a business on his own. The entertainment came from the unique ways he failed to do so when he was given full creative and financial control. Meanwhile, the Praetor Saga is characterized by Chris's new role as an employee in someone else's business,, and seems to essentially revolve around him trying to keep his 'bosses' satisfied. The entertainment (however little there is) comes from the times Chris has slipped up and fucked them or himself over despite their clear attempts to idiot-proof him. They're similar on a surface level, but in practice, they've played out very distinctly from each other. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 21:21, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:::That distinction makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is this a saga? ==

I feel like I'm posting here a lot, but CWC's recent flood of support toward [[Kamala Harris]] on Twitter, and subsequent anger following [[Pmurt]]'s reelection, seems like the closest thing we've gotten to a cohesive saga since the Third Exile. He's done multiple videos/streams mentioning or focusing on it, and he's been posting and reposting about it at basically every opportunity. In retrospect, now that it's winding down, it really does feel like it qualifies from my perspective. Should this be counted as a new saga, and if so, should it be codified as the Kamala Saga or the Second Pmurt Saga? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:26, 6 November 2024 (EST)

Pmurt

2024-11-07T01:22:11Z

Cottonmather:

{{quote|[[COVID-19|No, I don't take responsibility at all.]]|Donald Trump, 2020}}

{{quote|Plus, Trump is just too damn rich And [[Chris and hypocrisy|immature]]. And "Trump" spelled backwards is "Pmurt", which rhymes with "Hurt", and he would badly "Pmurt" this country in office.|[[Chris]]}}

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'''Pmurt''' is a [[CWC-isms|CWC-ism]] for billionaire and 45th and 47th President of the United States '''{{w|Donald Trump}}''' (born [[Pre-1980#1940s|14 June 1946]]). He initially pronounced it "murt", based on his opinion that the P is silent when the name is said backwards;<ref name="diff">[[Something Completely Different - A few Transformers Jokes, also anti-Pmurt]]</ref> however, in [[Eid, Pmurt, Eid|Eid, Pmurt, Eid!!!]], he pronounced the P.

Known for being a wealthy socialite in New York City and the host of the reality television game show ''{{w|The Apprentice}}'', Trump became the Republican Party's nominee for the presidency three times in 2016, 2020, and 2024. He managed to pull off an upset Electoral College victory against [[Barack Obama#White House gag|Hillary Clinton]] in 2016, followed by a loss in 2020 against [[Joe Biden]] despite being believed to have an advantage with his incumbency. The 2024 election initially shaped up to be a rematch between Trump and Biden, but Biden's exit from the campaign led to Trump's Democratic opponent being [[Kamala Harris]] instead.

Starting in the latter half of 2016, Chris started to become vocal about his intense dislike of Pmurt on Facebook. In spite of how passionate he feels about Pmurt, Chris's understanding of contemporary politics continues to be exceptionally poor. On 8 November 2016, Chris participated in the US presidential election and voted for Clinton.<ref>[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Chris and Barb vote for Hillary]]</ref> Following news that Trump had won the election, Chris reacted by making multiple [[death threats]] against him and Vice President {{w|Mike Pence}}, which is actually [[Chris and the law|against the law]].

Since encountering the [[Idea Guys]], however, Chris has largely lost interest in politics in favor of engaging in his [[messiah complex]], and as such, has mostly forgotten about Trump. He never addressed his impeachment, which seems odd considering that it was the closest he came to being removed from office early. Nonetheless, Chris slowly became more interested in the 2020 election in the final weeks before election day, particularly after Trump contracted [[COVID-19]]. After a drawn-out election in 2020 due to complications with counting a substantial increase in mail votes compared to previous years, Trump lost his re-election bid and was succeeded by [[Joe Biden]] as President. Chris completely lost interest in the former President by early 2021, though he still holds Trump in very low regards as suggested by recent [[Jail arts]] from [[2022]].<ref>[[OfficialCWCmart Jail Art#"Prideful Interview With God", dated_06/19/2022]]</ref><ref>[[OfficialCWCmart Jail Art#"Akashic Record Zone Act 1∞∞ (One Infinity Squared)", dated 11/12/2022]]</ref>

He has however regained his presidency title after defeating Kamala Harris. It is currently unknown what Chris's reaction is to Pmurt's victory

==Meaning of the name==
{{quote|Well, at least MY face ain't fuckin' orange!|Chris, [[DivineTrial|several]] [[At Least My Face Is Not F3c7ing Orange|separate]] occasions before 2016}}
[[File:Pmurt Dlanod.png|thumb|This is what Chris probably believes.]]

This CWC-ism comes from a [[September 2016 Facebook posts#Registered to vote|Facebook comment from 25 September]] (partially quoted above), in which Chris says that "Trump spelled backwards is "Pmurt", [[Random-access humor|which rhymes with hurt, and that Trump would badly "Pmurt" the US if elected]]".

Reversing Trump’s name has twofold meanings. Firstly, names are particularly sacred to Chris;<ref>[[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!]]</ref><ref>[[To Clyde Gregg]]</ref><ref>[[Exposing Jeff]]</ref> in his eyes, mocking someone's name will severely degrade them—this article will establish that Chris has enormous disdain for Donald Trump. Secondly, Chris has historically assumed that saying something backwards induces subliminal stimuli<ref>[[U8C43P2A37A8 y U8C1N023V0L]]</ref>—which he believes are enormously influential on the psyche ''and'' the physical body.<ref>[[Subliminal Frequency Hypnosis]]</ref> Therefore, Chris may believe reversing Trump's name, in a negative context, might effectively alter his audience's perception of him. Beyond the random-access humor, Chris probably thinks his rendition of Trump’s name is a serious presidential objection that everyone needs to consider.

Chris continued using this backwards name in subsequent Facebook posts and videos.

==Opposition to Trump==
[[File:CWCiki IntroductionPMURT.jpg|thumb|The changed banner on the CWCki front page just after Pmurt's election.]]
{{quote|You have Got to be kidding! Trump is most [[Chris and hypocrisy|Immature]], [[My Little Pony|Uncouth]], and [[Chris and reality|Not Valid to be president]]. Trump will ONLY make the Country go [[Financhu Crisis|BROKE]], as Groening predicted, and ALL the money will ONLY go to his own debtors and the Fat Cat Rich People, and Hardly ANY for us in the middle class and below. Not to mention he is Anti-[[SLGBTQ|LGBTQ]], Anti-Immigrants, he [[Women's rights|puts down Women VERY BAD]], and he is an all-around Bad Person.

Hillary will [[Monthly tugboat|Tax the Fat Cats and fill the middle class]] and lower and get the country less in debt. And She is PRO-LGBTQ and [[Niggos|Immigrants]], AND She is more beneficial for EVERYONE in General. AND, this country is long Overdue for a Woman's touch.

You should Watch ALL Three Debates On YouTube. I'll send you the links in chronological Order.|Chris<ref name="misc">[[Misc texts#Anti-Pmurt]]</ref>}}

Chris has historically never had any real interest in politics. Combined with his general indifference towards anything intellectual in favor [[Video games|of]] [[Lego|nobler]] [[Mass debating|pursuits]], it's perplexing that Trump's involvement in politics would concern Chris as much as it does. Speculation has suggested a more personal root to Chris's animosity. As Chris’s view of politics effectively begins and ends with himself, the true root of his anger lies somewhere in the bramble bush of his [[Chris and psychology|confused psyche]].

For one thing, Chris is highly [[Naive|impressionable]]. As discussed later on this page, the LGBT blogs and groups he follows on Facebook have a negative opinion of Trump, as they generally do with most right-wing politicians due to their left-wing biases. Going off of the minimal amount of information he's absorbed from said blogs, Chris has said that he is afraid of what a Trump presidency could mean for him and his [[Tomgirl|lesbian soul]]. This is in addition to the general trend among popular culture and major media outlets, which has also been severely critical of Trump. Considering how Chris [[Family Guy|takes things he sees in media at face value]], it makes sense that he would readily and eagerly accept these sentiments without a second thought.

Ironically enough, despite Trump's anti-LGBT policies<ref>[https://www.hrc.org/news/the-list-of-trumps-unprecedented-steps-for-the-lgbtq-community The Real List of Trump's "Unprecedented Steps" for the LGBTQ Community]</ref> and the potential policies that he claimed that he would consider implementing (but never did), Chris was hardly affected by any of them due to being a NEET (Not in Education, Employment, or Training) and too old to experience some of the issues facing younger gay and trans Americans. One of the only areas where Chris would have been negatively affected was with the restriction of a few response options on the Census, although there's no evidence suggesting that he actually took part in it.

Chris has shown that he picks his candidates based on who he can identify with more. On account of his [[Chris and gender|gender confusion]] and [[JERKS|dislike of men]], Hillary Clinton was far more attractive to him simply because she was a woman. The evidence for this is overwhelming, especially considering that he once compared her with Sarah Palin.<ref name="Feb">[[Update 02/16/2016]]</ref> This is also consistent with Chris’s fondness for [[George W. Bush|George W. Bush]] and [[Barack Obama|Barack Obama]], both of whom he voted for because he liked them personally.

Especially salient to this discussion is the mentality behind Chris’s [[Brand loyalty|brand loyalty]]. Once Chris picks a [[PS3|side]] on something, he will defend that side no matter what due [[Naive|to a]] [[Chris and reality|misplaced sense of]] [[Autism|rigid devotion]]. This time the side he picked has down and out lost. Chris has been legally able to vote since February 24, 2000. He's never mentioned voting for a losing candidate in a presidential election before. It's possible that his explosive anger is based partially in the fact that his favored candidate didn't come out on top this time.

Chris has provided the following reasons for why he dislikes Trump. It’s unclear how many of these are his actual opinions and not just things he’s parroting from what he’s heard on the internet. As the astute of you will quickly notice, many of the negative qualities he accuses Trump of having are ones that [[Chris and hypocrisy|he himself possesses]].

===On character===
[[File:No Drump flag.png|thumb|A Trump flag that Chris [[The Place chats - Pennsylvania Trip|vandalized before signing]] in 2020.]]
*He "[[Death threats|is very spiteful]]".<ref>[[July 2016 Facebook posts#Christine's Driver's License and Woman's Card]]</ref>

*He is an "[[Chris|immature brat]] who mocks everyone".<ref name="reg">[[September 2016 Facebook posts#Registered to vote]]</ref>

*He "was a [[Autism|one-track tape]], [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes|repeating himself]] [[Honor roll|on pat [sic] deeds]] [[CADD|that he was "proud"(?)]] of".<ref name="debate">[[September 2016 Facebook posts#"Thoughts" on the debate]]</ref>

*He is "[[Chris and anger|hot-headed]], [[Chris and money#Chris and impulse spending|impulsive]], [[Clyde Cash|orange-faced]], [[Chris and money#Barb's toxic influence|money-grubbing]], [[Barbara Chandler|double-dealing]], [[Chris and race|immigrant and race offensive]], and most offensive [on] [[Homos|the LGBTQ]]".<ref name="just">[[2009-2016 tweets#I have given my issues and feelings of Trump some thought. They are justified...]]</ref>

*He "[[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2013-2014#OkCupid - She's overweight and unappealing|puts down Women VERY BAD]]".<ref name="misc"/>

*His "[[Megan emails, 2008#Chris continues bothering her about ED|Womanizing and raping actions]]".

*He is a [[JERKS|male]]. In February 2016, Chris said, "I feel like American [sic] needs a woman's touch finally after all these years"<ref name="Feb"/> as a reason for why he wanted Hillary Clinton [[Women's Rights|to become president]]. On 20 November, he stated Trump "is of SOO Many Typical Offensive [[MALE]] Stereotypes, he probably was born with Two damned "Y" Chromosomes instead of the usual "XY" pair".<ref name="just"/>

*He is "[[Chris and reality|Not Valid to be president]]".<ref name="misc"/>

Interestingly, both Trump and Chris have been accused of sexual harassment. While Trump is legally considered a rapist in regard to his unwanted sexual harassment of E. Jean Carroll, Chris shockingly got off scot-free for his [[Affair With Mother|incestuous affair]] after spending over a year in jail, and is not considered a sex offender.

===On the issues===

*He "Wants [[Chris and race|the immigrants to build their own "Keep Out" wall so [he] would kick them all out]]".<ref name="reg"/>

*He has "ideals of [[Chris and money|cutting finances]] from all of the more important resources the country needs in communities and feeding the industries from the National Debt. And he acted against the immigrants in that topic as well; [[Monthly tugboat|they have to work too, you know]]".<ref name="debate"/>

*He "will ONLY make the Country go BROKE, as Groening predicted, and [[Chris and money#Bank lawsuits against Barb|ALL the money will ONLY go to his own debtors]] and the Fat Cat Rich People, and [[Financhu Crisis|Hardly ANY for us in the middle class and below]]" and "Hillary will Tax the Fat Cats and fill the middle class and lower and get the country less in debt".<ref name="misc"/>

===On issues relevant to Chris===
[[File:Pence.png|thumb]]
====LGBTQ====

Chris was especially paranoid in his belief that Trump and Pence "hate" the LGBTQ community.<ref name="reg"/>

Chris has said he does "not just despise Trump and Pence, but as a Leabian [sic] Transwoman, and high-functioning autistic person, I fear, too, what would happen with those two God-damned jerks in the White House". In addition, he said, "I fear the loss of my own rights alongside our other LGBTQ community people's as well".<ref name="h8">[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Hate and fear of Trump and Pence]]</ref>

However, he has been vague in explaining ''why'' any policies they could implement would affect him. Chris does not face discrimination in the workforce, or in society ([[Chris and the law|at least not from being transgender]]). Throughout their entire term, Trump and Pence did not criminalize the LGBT community and/or allowed widespread discrimination of them. Sure, large segments of the Republican Party are anti-LGBT, but they generally know that doing such a stunt would be political suicide. LGBT rights were admittedly a thorny issue going into the 2016 election, likely due to same-sex marriage only having been legalized throughout the country via a Supreme Court ruling the previous year; however, the president cannot unilaterally override a Supreme Court decision, and even the more conservative justices appointed by Trump during his term are highly unlikely to strike down the earlier ruling, as the court historically has refrained from making decisions which deprive large groups of individuals of their rights, due to such decisions (relating to African-Americans and slavery) in the early-mid 19th century being seen as a major cause of the American Civil War.

Although he's released conflicting statements on the matter, Trump expressed some progressive ideas regarding transgender issues. Chris is aware of this but still refuses to give Trump credit, saying he is "most offensive to us in the LGBTQ communities, regardless of his Transgender bathroom choice statement".<ref name="just"/> In any case, the only anti-LGBT thing Trump did as president was barring transgender people from serving in the military (which was reversed almost immediately after he left office), it's not like LGBT people would simply poof out or be imprisoned the moment Trump was inaugurated as Chris assumed.

Chris also criticized Pence, saying that "[[Chris and politics|Pence is just as much Anti-LGBTQ and everything else that Trump is]], so my feelings are the same with that rat bastard as well, very much".<ref name="just"/> His criticism of Pence, however, is a little more understandable, since he has indeed promoted anti-LGBT policies and is firmly against same-sex marriage, like many other Republicans. In fact, the aforementioned military transgender ban was his idea.

====[[Monthly tugboat|The tugboat]]====

Trump was critical of welfare in the past and throughout his campaign.<ref>http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_Trump_Welfare_+_Poverty.htm</ref> Should he find Congress agreeable, one of his aims could have been to pass legislation limiting welfare’s funding and availability. Chris was dimly cognizant of this and feared that he may end up finding his tugboat reduced or even completely taken away. Throughout Trump's term, Congress did not propose or pass any legislation on the matter, as such, Chris continues to receive his tugboat without any problems.

On 14 November, he stated:<ref name="hang">[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Lego Trump and Pence hanged at the gallows]]</ref>

{{quotebox|they would drain money from [[Monthly tugboat|SSI]], making my mother and I closer to broke.}}

In truth, what makes Chris and Barb closer to broke is ''[[Financhu Crisis|themselves]]''. Given the rapid decline in their finances, he was hoping Hillary Clinton's policies would increase his tugboat revenue, [[Naive| if not bail the Chandlers out entirely]].

Chris has adamantly refused to budge on his anti-Trump positions. On 20 November, after radio silence following Lizzy the Lezzy readers and his Facebook friends criticizing him for his repeated death wishes, he said, "there is Nothing, nor any amount of time or whatever else, that would make it the cold day in the earth's core to Ever make me have even a remote inkling of a mystery wrapped in a riddle inside an enigma of any change of feeling or heart of mine about Trump ever".<ref name="just"/>

==Chris's news sources==
On Facebook, Chris routinely browses pages on LGBTQ culture, such as Lizzy the Lezzy. In the wake of the 2016 election, many of those pages became inundated with articles written with a clear anti-Trump angle. Chris forms and reinforces his opinions on Trump based on those articles, rating many of them "Angry".<ref name=notablereacts>[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Notable reacts]]</ref>

It's likely that Chris simply skims headlines or opening paragraphs without taking the time to read the articles. The second example was taken one hour after Chris posted to [[November 2016 Facebook posts#Hate and fear of Trump and Pence|a Lizzy the Lezzy comments section]];<ref name=notablereacts></ref> given that he was also busy with responding to its readers, it is impossible for him to have thoroughly read the articles. That Chris can't be bothered to learn more about the issues he apparently feels so seized with emotion over is emblematic of his [[Chris and Ego|arrogance]], [[Honor roll|stupidity]], and [[Stress|laziness]]. Chris refuses to even try to understand the issues at hand and so his understanding of Trump and American politics is consequently abysmal.

Chris has also [[Honor Roll|cited an episode of ''The Simpsons'']] as one of his major sources for being anti-Trump,<ref name="reg"/> which is appropriate considering [[Chris and television|one of the ways he wastes his time]] in lieu of acting like a functional adult.

==Anti-Trump petitions==
Chris signed several online petitions in an effort to prevent Trump from assuming the presidency.

*[https://web.archive.org/web/20161214114138/https://act.credoaction.com/sign/russell_amendment A petition opposing the "anti-LGBTQ Russell Amendment"]

{{quotebox|On January 20, Donald Trump and Mike Pence are going to enter the White House.

They campaigned on a platform of hatred, bigotry, racism, misogyny, and xenophobia...

...[The Russell Amendment] would reverse existing nondiscrimination protections for 28 million people in the federal contracting workforce. That means employers could fire someone or refuse to give them a job because they have a same-sex partner, use birth control, are single mothers, are transgender, or even simply don’t practice the same religion as their employer.}} Of course, Chris supported this petition—probably because it disparages Trump and references the transgender community. It's unlikely he actually read or understood its contents.

*[https://www.change.org/p/electoral-college-electors-electoral-college-make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19 A petition calling on the Electoral College to disregard the election and install Hillary Clinton into the presidency]

Chris also signed this petition, in the hopes that on December 19, 2016, the Electoral College would "ignore" the results of the 2016 Presidential election since Clinton won the popular vote. This did not happen.

==Death threats==
[[Image:Feelings of the election results (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400001.png|thumb|Chris, wishing for Donald Trump's death.]]

Chris's hatred of Trump is so great that he made four videos of himself role-playing acts of violence on him with ''[[Transformers]]'', ''[[My Little Pony]]'' and ''[[Lego]]'' toys, with two of those occurring before the election,<ref>[[September 2016 Paid Video Requests#Paid Message to the Trolls]]</ref><ref name="diff"/> including one where he destroyed [[List of toys#Transformers: Titans Return|a Transformers toy]], further showing his lack of [[Chris and money|financial]] [[Financhu Crisis|sense]].

'''Timeline'''

On November 9, 2016, Chris began making several enraged [[death threats]] against the then President-elect. He continued his tirade in the following days, adding Vice President Mike Pence to his death prayers the next day, in spite of the possibility that it could land him in serious legal trouble. According to [http://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter41&edition=prelim United States code], a threat against the President is punishable by a fine and/or a maximum of five years in prison.

Chris has gotten himself into [[Chris and the law|legal trouble]] multiple times in the past, to the point that he has six misdemeanors on his record, with four of those stemming from assault crimes. He is also having [[Financhu Crisis|financial trouble]]. Despite Chris' repeated calls for Trump and Pence to die, they made it unscathed through their four-year terms.

Given that Chris's address is public knowledge, the possibility of the Secret Service visiting and interrogating him for his threats and then either agents or Barb forcing him to not divulge anything should not be ruled out and could be the reason why he eventually stopped making threats.

[[Image:Legotrumppence.jpg|thumb|left|Trump and Pence depicted being murdered in Lego form by Chris, part of a line of his perceived enemies who have been the subject of his [[September 2013 Facebook Posts#Voodoo-Wise|voodoo-magic]] [[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2013-2014#OkCupid and Impotent Rage|revenge fantasies]].]]

===2016===
'''9 November'''

*3:28 am - Chris posts on Facebook that he wants someone to assassinate Trump with a sniper rifle. Chris's Twitter account automatically tweets the post.<ref name=assassin>[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Chris wants Trump assassinated]]</ref> Throughout the day, many [[Chris in the media#Death threats against Trump|high-profile Twitter users]] retweet the post. Several Twitter users say that they reported him to the FBI and Secret Service.<ref>http://archive.is/bHnGQ</ref>

*3:39 am - Chris [[Eid, Pmurt, Eid|uploads a YouTube video]] depicting him smashing a ''Transformers'' toy in effigy of Trump, while screaming "die!"

*3:40 am - Chris [[November 2016 Facebook posts#Eid, Pmurt, Eid!!!|posts on Facebook]] again. He links to the YouTube video and says Trump "should Die now" before taking office. The post is also tweeted by his Twitter account.

*5:15 am - The "sniper rifle" death threat disappears from Facebook.<ref name=assassin></ref>

*8:30 am - An Infowars.com [https://archive.is/er3oP article], featuring Chris's death threat in tweet form, is published.

*11 pm - The same threat disappears from Twitter.<ref name=assassin></ref>

'''10 November'''
*4:07 am - Chris tweets the Infowars article.<ref>[[2009-2016 tweets#10 November 2016.1]]</ref>

*4:23 am - Chris tweets that he wants his audience to join him in wishing death to the then President-elect Trump before January 2017.<ref name=wish>[[2009-2016 tweets#10 November 2016.2]]</ref>

*6:53 pm - Chris again tweets to pray for Trump's death. He also prays for then Vice President-elect Mike Pence's death. He then links to [https://act.credoaction.com/sign/russell_amendment a petition] from Credo Action, concerning the "anti-LGBTQ Russell Amendment".<ref>[[2009-2016 tweets#10 November 2016.3]]</ref>

'''13 November'''
*2:06 am - Chris [[Feelings of the election results|uploads a YouTube video]] in which he uses Legos to role-play Mike Pence murdering Trump and getting arrested. He then holds up a sheet of paper, with the handwritten words (backwards and facing himself):

<center>{{quotebox|(Before January 2017) Die, Trump, die, or by illness, by Mike Pence's hand.}}</center>

*2:36 am - Chris [[November 2016 Facebook posts#Feelings of the election results|posts on Facebook]] about being annoyed by leftover Trump/Pence campaign signs. It is unknown whether or not Chris will [[Sonic Boom Protests|take down the signs himself]].

*5:06 am - Chris [[November 2016 Facebook posts#Feelings of the election results|posts on Facebook]], linking to the Infowars article. He then tries to justify his behavior by saying, "I'm not the only one who wants him dead".

*9:17 pm - Chris [[November 2016 Facebook posts#Hate and fear of Trump and Pence|posts]] to the Lizzy the Lezzy comment section, asking the readers to pray for Trump and Pence's deaths "before Thanksgiving". Many people respond, trying to talk sense into him, to no avail.

'''14 November'''
*12:53 pm - Chris posts a picture to Facebook depicting Lego versions of Trump and Pence being executed by hanging, while handcuffed.<ref name=hanging>[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Lego Trump and Pence hanged at the gallows]]</ref> The text on the photo reads:

<center>{{quotebox|Die, Trump, Die. Die, Pence, Die.

We do not want either of you in office; jail for you both is unlikely; We, the LGBTQ community, do not want to lose our protection and rights}}</center>

*1:16 pm - Chris follows up by commenting that, since prison is "unlikely" and impeachment is "difficult" then "Death upon those two before January, 2017, at this time and point is a necessary evil".

*3:07 pm - Chris [[November 2016 Facebook posts#I'm done adulting|posts]], saying "[[Chris and reality|Trump is Not president, mayor, or Anything in Cwcville]]".

*7:30 pm - The execution-by-hanging post, and the associated comments, disappears from Facebook.<ref name=hanging></ref>

'''15 November'''

*10:44 pm - Chris [[I Tweet AND Post Simultaneously|announces]] Facebook had temporarily banned him from posting for a week.

'''20 November'''

*5:00 am - Chris, in a 22-tweet long rant, makes several childish insults and says he had given his "issues and feelings of Trump some thought". He claims that they are "justified". He ends his rant by complaining about Twitter's 140-character limit.<ref name="just"/>

'''2 December'''
[[File:Alpha TrionYoung warrior challenge explained.mp400001.png|thumb|Playing [[God]].]]

*5:51 pm - Chris uploads [[Alpha Trion/"Young" warrior challenge explained]]. He role-plays Trump, Pence and Clinton using Legos:

{{quotebox|So [[Chris and english|advocate]] the office, Trump! Advocate the position. And then maybe I'll take you down off of that noose.}}

'''29 December'''

*1:11 am - Chris [[December 2016 Facebook posts#Advocate or die, Trump!|returns to posting death threats against Donald Trump]] on Facebook. In response to an article on Trump and the {{w|First Amendment Defense Act|First Amendment Defense Act}}, Chris commented, "ADVOCATE THE OFFICE, TRUMP, or Die, Trump, Die!!!"

*1:43 am - Chris [[December 2016 Facebook posts#A puzzler for Trump|posts a puzzler]] for Trump. He asks Trump to consider a scenario wherein there is an alternate reality where everyone is gender-flipped and an "Anti-Straight Law" is proposed. He asks if Trump would support a law that is against the "Donald Trump(ette)" of that world. He ends by threatening Trump again: "#DonaldTrump, Advocate the Office and let Hillary Clinton run this country, For the Love of Religion, and for any shred of Self-Love you have for yourself. Or die from yours or someone else's hand."

Chris later proofread both posts, editing ''advocate'' to ''abdicate''. However, he did not tone down the death threats.

===2017===
'''4 January'''

*8:34 am - Chris tweets the link for his [[December 2016 Facebook posts#A puzzler for Trump|puzzler]] to Trump's Twitter account, with the death threat still intact.<ref>[[2009-2016 tweets#Tweeting a death threat to Trump]]</ref>

*6:03 pm - For the second time, Chris tweets his [[December 2016 Facebook posts#A puzzler for Trump|puzzler]] to Trump.<ref>[[2009-2016 tweets#Tweeting a death threat to Trump again]]</ref>

'''20 January'''

*10:54 pm - Chris reacts to news on the inauguration of President Trump on [[The United States of America has NO President or Vice President, Whatsoever|YouTube]], [[January 2017 Facebook Posts#USA has no president or vice president|Facebook]] and [[2017 tweets#January|Twitter]]. He insists that the USA has no President or Vice President, taking the "#NotMyPresident" hashtag [[Autism|a step further]] by stating that he will see "an empty chair with no audible speech whatsoever". To cap it off, he says his mind will not be changed until either Trump and Pence leave voluntarily or they "are both deceased".

===Chris on his death threats===
Chris has attempted to rationalize his constant calls for Trump and Pence's deaths and to reconcile his violent attitude with him being "bothered" that he has to "resort to death wishing on Anyone".<ref name="hang"/>

After Chris suggested to the readers of Lizzy the Lezzy (an LGBTQ Facebook page) to wish death on Trump and Pence, they instead criticized him for saying such "stupid" things.

One person said, "wishing death on people you don't like doesn't exactly make you look like a better person in comparison". Chris replied by saying that, with Trump and Pence in office, it would then be difficult to "impeach them and get Hillary in".<ref name="h8"/>

Chris has shifted on how he wants Trump to die. Upon learning of the election results, he wanted someone to kill Trump with "a sniper rifle".<ref name=assassin></ref> The next day, he asked [[Chris and religion|God]] to do it.<ref name=wish></ref> Days later, he wanted Mike Pence to murder him.<ref name="feel">[[Feelings of the election results]]</ref> He also believed it was possible that Trump will die from old age before inauguration day,<ref name="feel"/> and that Clinton would not, since "[[Bob Chandler|Men die earlier than women]]".<ref name="h8"/> Inexplicably, Chris also wants "science" to kill Trump.<ref name="just"/>

Chris has considered the notion of Trump and Pence going to prison, but has concluded that "Prison is unlikely for them, how difficult impeachment is, what other option is there?" He believes Trump should be jailed "for all of his [[Emily|sexual]] [[Catherine|assaults]] and rape on women".<ref name="hang"/>

He would prefer for Trump and Pence to simply hand over their democratically-elected positions, saying to "give the role of President, with most civil grace to Hillary Clinton. And since that is most bloody unlikely of Trump, ever, I am still most pained to continue having to pray for Trump's and Pence's Deaths to happen Before January 2017, by someone else's hands or illness".<ref name="just"/> Chris further demonstrated his lack of political understanding in a post on 4 December, in which he said that Trump should "advocate the position, and take Pence with him, and let Hillary be President, as it should Very Well Be".<ref>[[December 2016 Facebook posts#Pmurt should advocate the presidency]]</ref> Chris likely has the word ''advocate'' confused with ''abdicate'', which is a term he might have heard in [[Anne Boleyn|British TV shows]] - it's a term typically used in reference to a monarchy.

Due to his [[Autism|stubbornness]], Chris has refused to budge from his anti-Pmurt positions, even after Lizzy the Lezzy's readers ''and'' his Facebook friends criticized him for his repeated death threats. On 20 November, he stated, "I have given my issues and feelings of Trump some thought. They are justified", followed by saying, "As much as I would like to choose to be rednecked and stubborn enough to plead complete ignorance and utter denial of him and Pence not only on the verge of taking office, there is still too many damn visuals about the bastards that plain further frustrate and upset me".<ref name="just"/>

Unfortunately for Chris, he simply forms his opinions via skimming clickbait articles whose authors are inclined to disagree with Trump. Due to his [[Announcement 06292016|untreated autism]], he hasn't attempted to do any research of his own on what Trump and Pence have said and done. Instead, he opts to live on in willful ignorance, putting no effort into enriching himself with knowledge and getting fanatically emotional about matters he barely understands. It's to the point that he believed "Death upon [Trump and Pence] before January 2017, at this time and point [was] a necessary evil".<ref name="hang"/>.

==Fan videos==

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==See also==
* [[Chris and politics]]
* [[Chris and English]]
* [[Death threats]]

==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*[https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/ The White House]

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File:Trump.jpg

2024-11-07T01:20:47Z

Cottonmather: Cottonmather uploaded a new version of File:Trump.jpg

Looks [[The creepy stare|familiar]]

November 2024

2024-11-06T07:45:16Z

Cottonmather:

[[File:Cwc-nov2024.jpg|thumb|300px|Chris in November.]]
{{ongoing}}

'''November''' is the eleventh month of [[2024]].

==Highlights==
* '''1 November'''
** [[Minecraft Exploring The End Realm.]] is published.
** [[Son-Chu#Chevrolet Aveo|Chris's car]] is photographed at a [[Wendy's]] in [[Lynchburg]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Wendy's]]</ref>
* '''2 November''' - Chris posts more [[Kamala Harris]] drawings to [[Twitter]].<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Still voting for Kamala Harris]]</ref>
* '''4 November'''
**Chris implies that his [[Kamala Harris]] signs had either been defaced or stolen.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Crime reminder]]</ref>
**Chris announces a livestream for 5 November on the election results.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Election stream announcement]]</ref>
* '''5 November'''
**[[Minecraft God Dialogue Read]] is published.
**Chris records [[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Elections 2024]], a livestream reacting to the election results.
**The election of the next President of the [[United States of America]] occurs. [[Kamala Harris]], Chris's pick, is running in place of Joe Biden after he dropped out of the race; meanwhile, [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] is also running. Chris is still eligible to vote due to his [[Autism disorder deferred disposition|deferred disposition]] and is planning to vote and on this day.
*'''28 November''' - [[Cherokian Clan|Thanksgiving]].

==Activity==
===Chats===
*None yet.

===Posts===
*[[November 2024 social media posts]]

===Sightings===
*[[Sightings (2024)#November]]
===Videos===
*[[Minecraft Exploring The End Realm.]]
*[[Minecraft God Dialogue Read]]
*[[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Elections 2024]]
{{References}}
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File:Cwc-nov2024.jpg

2024-11-06T07:44:40Z

Cottonmather: Chris in November 2024.

== Summary ==
Chris in November 2024.

Kamala Harris

2024-11-06T05:18:10Z

Cottonmather:

{{quote|We are [[Naïve|not]] [[Pmurt|going]] [[14 Branchland Court|back]]!|Harris's unofficial 2024 campaign slogan.}}

{{quote|I have read the [[Wikipedia]] article on her Political Platforms, and I agree with a lot of what she stands for.|Chris, [[August 2024]]<ref name=augustsupport>[[August 2024 social media posts#Support for Kamala Harris]]</ref>}}

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'''Kamala Harris''' is the current vice president of the [[United States of America|United States]], part of president [[Joe Biden]]'s administration. Following Biden's decision to suspend his [[2024]] presidential campaign, he endorsed Harris, passing the torch and giving her the momentum to become the Democratic nominee. Harris is subsequently running against [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] for the presidency.

Unlike [[2020]], when Harris was part of the Biden-Harris ticket, Chris has expressed a greater support for her candidacy, creating multiple campaign signs for her. It remains to be seen if this critical political endorsement will result in a blowout victory for the Harris-Walz campaign.

==Elections==
[[File:X - Kamala Harris 2024 sign2.jpeg|left|thumb|200px|Chris's art supporting Harris]]
===2020===
For the [[2020]] election, Harris ran a campaign for the presidency, but dropped out and endorsed Biden. Biden later returned the favor by selecting Harris as his candidate for vice president, with the Biden-Harris ticket being solidified at the Democratic National Convention.

Chris acknowledged the duo in [[October 2020]], hoping they would defeat then-incumbent president [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]].<ref>[[October 2020 social media posts#No to Drumpftastic]]</ref> However, he ultimately voted for fictional character Lisa Simpson for reasons tied to the [[Dimensional Merge]], a topic that had captivated his interest over politics, despite his vocal opposition to [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] and Mike Pence. Biden and Harris would go on to win Virginia regardless of Chris's third-party vote, along with the election as a whole.
===2024===
In the [[2024]] election, Harris ran for the presidency starting in July, opposing Trump, as Biden had dropped out mid-run and endorsed her instead. Following this event, Chris seemed to take more interest in Harris. In [[August 2024]], Chris stated that he planned to vote for Harris that November, and he did a [[tarot]] reading on her.<ref name=augustsupport></ref>

The following month, he posted photos of a hand-drawn sign supporting Harris's run for president, displayed at the [[yard]] of his former residence [[14 Branchland Court]],<ref>[[September 2024 social media posts##KamalaHarris4President2024]]</ref> and he also recorded a livestream reacting to a debate between Harris and Trump.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Debate 2024]]</ref> Chris watched an interview of Harris and Oprah Winfrey which took place on 20 September, and tweeted in agreement with Harris's pro-abortion access stance.<ref>[[October 2024 social media posts#Shall vote for Harris]]</ref> On 2 November, Chris shared more yard artwork in support of Harris and said he would be voting for her that Tuesday, on the official Election Day.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Still voting for Kamala Harris]]</ref> Two days later, he implied that his yard art had either been defaced or stolen.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Crime reminder]]</ref>

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign1.jpeg|More [[yard]] signs by Chris.
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign2.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign3.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign4.jpeg
</gallery></center>
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Kamala Harris

2024-11-06T05:17:56Z

Cottonmather:

{{quote|We are [[Naive|not]] [[Pmurt|going]] [[14 Branchland Court|back]]!|Harris's unofficial 2024 campaign slogan.}}

{{quote|I have read the [[Wikipedia]] article on her Political Platforms, and I agree with a lot of what she stands for.|Chris, [[August 2024]]<ref name=augustsupport>[[August 2024 social media posts#Support for Kamala Harris]]</ref>}}

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'''Kamala Harris''' is the current vice president of the [[United States of America|United States]], part of president [[Joe Biden]]'s administration. Following Biden's decision to suspend his [[2024]] presidential campaign, he endorsed Harris, passing the torch and giving her the momentum to become the Democratic nominee. Harris is subsequently running against [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] for the presidency.

Unlike [[2020]], when Harris was part of the Biden-Harris ticket, Chris has expressed a greater support for her candidacy, creating multiple campaign signs for her. It remains to be seen if this critical political endorsement will result in a blowout victory for the Harris-Walz campaign.

==Elections==
[[File:X - Kamala Harris 2024 sign2.jpeg|left|thumb|200px|Chris's art supporting Harris]]
===2020===
For the [[2020]] election, Harris ran a campaign for the presidency, but dropped out and endorsed Biden. Biden later returned the favor by selecting Harris as his candidate for vice president, with the Biden-Harris ticket being solidified at the Democratic National Convention.

Chris acknowledged the duo in [[October 2020]], hoping they would defeat then-incumbent president [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]].<ref>[[October 2020 social media posts#No to Drumpftastic]]</ref> However, he ultimately voted for fictional character Lisa Simpson for reasons tied to the [[Dimensional Merge]], a topic that had captivated his interest over politics, despite his vocal opposition to [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] and Mike Pence. Biden and Harris would go on to win Virginia regardless of Chris's third-party vote, along with the election as a whole.
===2024===
In the [[2024]] election, Harris ran for the presidency starting in July, opposing Trump, as Biden had dropped out mid-run and endorsed her instead. Following this event, Chris seemed to take more interest in Harris. In [[August 2024]], Chris stated that he planned to vote for Harris that November, and he did a [[tarot]] reading on her.<ref name=augustsupport></ref>

The following month, he posted photos of a hand-drawn sign supporting Harris's run for president, displayed at the [[yard]] of his former residence [[14 Branchland Court]],<ref>[[September 2024 social media posts##KamalaHarris4President2024]]</ref> and he also recorded a livestream reacting to a debate between Harris and Trump.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Debate 2024]]</ref> Chris watched an interview of Harris and Oprah Winfrey which took place on 20 September, and tweeted in agreement with Harris's pro-abortion access stance.<ref>[[October 2024 social media posts#Shall vote for Harris]]</ref> On 2 November, Chris shared more yard artwork in support of Harris and said he would be voting for her that Tuesday, on the official Election Day.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Still voting for Kamala Harris]]</ref> Two days later, he implied that his yard art had either been defaced or stolen.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Crime reminder]]</ref>

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign1.jpeg|More [[yard]] signs by Chris.
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign2.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign3.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign4.jpeg
</gallery></center>
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Kamala Harris

2024-11-06T05:17:47Z

Cottonmather:

{{quote|We are [Naive|not] [[Pmurt|going]] [[14 Branchland Court|back]]!|Harris's unofficial 2024 campaign slogan.}}

{{quote|I have read the [[Wikipedia]] article on her Political Platforms, and I agree with a lot of what she stands for.|Chris, [[August 2024]]<ref name=augustsupport>[[August 2024 social media posts#Support for Kamala Harris]]</ref>}}

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'''Kamala Harris''' is the current vice president of the [[United States of America|United States]], part of president [[Joe Biden]]'s administration. Following Biden's decision to suspend his [[2024]] presidential campaign, he endorsed Harris, passing the torch and giving her the momentum to become the Democratic nominee. Harris is subsequently running against [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] for the presidency.

Unlike [[2020]], when Harris was part of the Biden-Harris ticket, Chris has expressed a greater support for her candidacy, creating multiple campaign signs for her. It remains to be seen if this critical political endorsement will result in a blowout victory for the Harris-Walz campaign.

==Elections==
[[File:X - Kamala Harris 2024 sign2.jpeg|left|thumb|200px|Chris's art supporting Harris]]
===2020===
For the [[2020]] election, Harris ran a campaign for the presidency, but dropped out and endorsed Biden. Biden later returned the favor by selecting Harris as his candidate for vice president, with the Biden-Harris ticket being solidified at the Democratic National Convention.

Chris acknowledged the duo in [[October 2020]], hoping they would defeat then-incumbent president [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]].<ref>[[October 2020 social media posts#No to Drumpftastic]]</ref> However, he ultimately voted for fictional character Lisa Simpson for reasons tied to the [[Dimensional Merge]], a topic that had captivated his interest over politics, despite his vocal opposition to [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] and Mike Pence. Biden and Harris would go on to win Virginia regardless of Chris's third-party vote, along with the election as a whole.
===2024===
In the [[2024]] election, Harris ran for the presidency starting in July, opposing Trump, as Biden had dropped out mid-run and endorsed her instead. Following this event, Chris seemed to take more interest in Harris. In [[August 2024]], Chris stated that he planned to vote for Harris that November, and he did a [[tarot]] reading on her.<ref name=augustsupport></ref>

The following month, he posted photos of a hand-drawn sign supporting Harris's run for president, displayed at the [[yard]] of his former residence [[14 Branchland Court]],<ref>[[September 2024 social media posts##KamalaHarris4President2024]]</ref> and he also recorded a livestream reacting to a debate between Harris and Trump.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Debate 2024]]</ref> Chris watched an interview of Harris and Oprah Winfrey which took place on 20 September, and tweeted in agreement with Harris's pro-abortion access stance.<ref>[[October 2024 social media posts#Shall vote for Harris]]</ref> On 2 November, Chris shared more yard artwork in support of Harris and said he would be voting for her that Tuesday, on the official Election Day.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Still voting for Kamala Harris]]</ref> Two days later, he implied that his yard art had either been defaced or stolen.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Crime reminder]]</ref>

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign1.jpeg|More [[yard]] signs by Chris.
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign2.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign3.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign4.jpeg
</gallery></center>
{{References}}

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Kamala Harris

2024-11-05T02:47:56Z

Cottonmather:

{{quote|We are not [[Pmurt|going]] [[14 Branchland Court|back]]!|Harris's unofficial 2024 campaign slogan.}}

{{quote|I have read the [[Wikipedia]] article on her Political Platforms, and I agree with a lot of what she stands for.|Chris, [[August 2024]]<ref name=augustsupport>[[August 2024 social media posts#Support for Kamala Harris]]</ref>}}

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'''Kamala Harris''' is the current vice president of the [[United States of America|United States]], part of president [[Joe Biden]]'s administration. Following Biden's decision to suspend his [[2024]] presidential campaign, he endorsed Harris, passing the torch and giving her the momentum to become the Democratic nominee. Harris is subsequently running against [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] for the presidency.

Unlike [[2020]], when Harris was part of the Biden-Harris ticket, Chris has expressed a greater support for her candidacy, creating multiple campaign signs for her. It remains to be seen if this critical political endorsement will result in a blowout victory for the Harris-Walz campaign.

==Elections==
[[File:X - Kamala Harris 2024 sign2.jpeg|left|thumb|200px|Chris's art supporting Harris]]
===2020===
For the [[2020]] election, Harris ran a campaign for the presidency, but dropped out and endorsed Biden. Biden later returned the favor by selecting Harris as his candidate for vice president, with the Biden-Harris ticket being solidified at the Democratic National Convention.

Chris acknowledged the duo in [[October 2020]], hoping they would defeat then-incumbent president [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]].<ref>[[October 2020 social media posts#No to Drumpftastic]]</ref> However, he ultimately voted for fictional character Lisa Simpson for reasons tied to the [[Dimensional Merge]], a topic that had captivated his interest over politics, despite his vocal opposition to [[Pmurt|Donald Trump]] and Mike Pence. Biden and Harris would go on to win Virginia regardless of Chris's third-party vote, along with the election as a whole.
===2024===
In the [[2024]] election, Harris ran for the presidency starting in July, opposing Trump, as Biden had dropped out mid-run and endorsed her instead. Following this event, Chris seemed to take more interest in Harris. In [[August 2024]], Chris stated that he planned to vote for Harris that November, and he did a [[tarot]] reading on her.<ref name=augustsupport></ref>

The following month, he posted photos of a hand-drawn sign supporting Harris's run for president, displayed at the [[yard]] of his former residence [[14 Branchland Court]],<ref>[[September 2024 social media posts##KamalaHarris4President2024]]</ref> and he also recorded a livestream reacting to a debate between Harris and Trump.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan Reacting to Presidential Debate 2024]]</ref> Chris watched an interview of Harris and Oprah Winfrey which took place on 20 September, and tweeted in agreement with Harris's pro-abortion access stance.<ref>[[October 2024 social media posts#Shall vote for Harris]]</ref> On 2 November, Chris shared more yard artwork in support of Harris and said he would be voting for her that Tuesday, on the official Election Day.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Still voting for Kamala Harris]]</ref> Two days later, he implied that his yard art had either been defaced or stolen.<ref>[[November 2024 social media posts#Crime reminder]]</ref>

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign1.jpeg|More [[yard]] signs by Chris.
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign2.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign3.jpeg
File:X - 2 November 2024 Kamala Harris sign4.jpeg
</gallery></center>
{{References}}

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Talk:Joe Biden

2024-11-03T06:01:48Z

Cottonmather: /* Is a separate page for Kamala Harris warranted at this point? */ new section

== Relevant? ==

Biden doesn't seem to be very relevant to Chris, he's only mentioned him a couple times, and most of this article is about Trump. Maybe this would be better as a redirect to [[Pmurt]]? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
:The Election itself warrants its own article, especially if Chris confirms that he did vote for Lisa Simpson (see [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository]]).
:I am leaning on '''keeping''' Joe Biden for now, because Chris will inevitably mention him (whether or not he asserts that Lisa is the president in C-197): however, it is going to need a rewrite to reduce duplication. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 07:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
::I second this. We have articles on [[George W. Bush|every]] [[Barack Obama|president]] [[Pmurt|since]] George W. Bush, so there's no reason to end that tradition. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 08:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

:The tradition should only be maintained if there's enough relevance. Bush, Obama and Trump have been mentioned by Chris enough times and in humorous enough ways to warrant articles. Which isn't the case with Biden so far. I just think we should avoid going too off-topic with the political stuff since Chris himself barely cares about it. [[Lisa Simpson]] would probably be a better article for the CWCki's scope; Biden/the 2020 election can be mentioned in it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
::It depends on whether the Dimensional Merge is completed before noon today in DC (see [[Discord Q&A 5#Operation of CWCville's Government|Discord Q&A 5, "Operation of CWCville's Government" section]]). So far, Chris has not yet proclaimed the "completion of it", and it is possible that he may have to [[January 2019 social media posts#On not going to MAGFest|backtrack]] on it like the previous attempt. That is why I am waiting for further developments before making a final decision on it. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
::'''Update:''' according to [[January 2021 social media posts#Congrats, Joe Biden]], the US now appears to have co-presidents in the ''Sonichu'' universe. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 23:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Rewrite of Harris part. ==

Chris wasn't silent about her and he is now very pro Kamala. It's just that he doesn't tweet about politics nowadays. He never once brought up Trump after returning to the internet.
:Agreed. Did some rewriting, and made it a subsection. I cut the Clinton comparison out, not sure that's really needed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:56, 10 September 2024 (EDT)

== Is a separate page for Kamala Harris warranted at this point? ==

Chris has spent basically all of the past 2 months posting about and retweeting her. He's been infinitely more vocal about her than he was about Biden. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 01:01, 3 November 2024 (EST)

Talk:Saga

2024-10-05T01:21:41Z

Cottonmather: /* Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga */