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Cottonmather: /* Recruitment Saga */

Add the sagas that we have from the [[List of Videos]] page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
*The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --[[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
* Add information involving the Ebay stuff to the Facebook Saga section. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
* Add the 2014 sagas to the Sagas timeline. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)

* I actually really like these. [[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Your wish is my command. It is done. I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly? I can get started on a timeline. I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful. Are there any other sagas that should be here? I assume not. What do we need to add to make this... complete... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

==Timeline==
[[Image:Timeline.png|right]]
So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
*I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
:*I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)
*I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.
----[[User:Kwippleton|Kwippleton]] 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

==Gregg Mays saga==
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

==Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?==
Or does anyone think it's too early? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
* I was about to suggest the same thing. With the [[Kill de Jack|recent]] [[To Clyde and Jack|videos]] aimed at him, the [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|three]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 2|phone]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 3|calls]] and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention [[It's UGH!|previous]] [[Chris humps his PS3|antics]], there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** And I think it has begun! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]] Saga. You like? --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Awesome job on the icon! --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
===Actually...===
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. [[User:Chris fangs|Chris fangs]] 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/File:Timeline.png], which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]

*Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]
::::*I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==The CWCki Saga, anyone?==

I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
*Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death. If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it. If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Vanessa Saga==

My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== more saga sum up images ==

we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others
[[image:Picture_4.png]]

== Tito saga ==

'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named [[Lovely Weather]]. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to [[The Wallflower]]? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
* Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==IRL Saga?==

It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
* I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**How about 'Reality Saga'? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
***If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**** I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
***** I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flipnote Hatena saga ==

Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
*It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
**Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--[[User:Yoyoddd|Yoyoddd]] 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
***I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
****Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
*****Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint ''somewhere''.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==PS3 Saga?==

Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

==Missing Sagas==
Why aren't the sagas caused by [[Vanessa_Saga|Joshua Martinez]] included on the saga list?
*1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

==On Sagas==
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

*Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called [[Ivy]] and the article on the Liquid Saga is called [[Liquid Chris]]. But then there are articles which are literally called [[Miyamoto Saga]] or [[Vanessa Saga]], which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Vanessa Hudgens]]. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are [[:Template:BlancaSaga]] and [[:Template:MeganSaga]]. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
:*Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
::*Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

== Individual Saga pages ==

I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
* EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
* I made a [[Tomgirl Saga]] page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
*I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the [[Ivy]] page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the [[Liquid Chris]] page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
**I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
*** i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
* I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

== Second Exile saga? ==

Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

- I disagree. A time without content, I feel, shouldn't be considered a saga.--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] 13:01, 3 Feburary 2014

== Regarding the Catherine Saga ==

I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
:Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I have added some details to the Catherine and Sonic sagas, but I think that you are right about combining the Facebook saga point. A good deal of information from Catherine is not really typical trolling, but further information on Chris's condition as a Tomgirl and his general repulsive self. It may be a good idea to combine the two into some sort of saga, rather than having two separate sections.[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 13:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== Is there an "Ebay" Saga going on right now? ==

Considering all of the ebay stuff that has been going on for a while, like the situation with Mr. Smith, the Tribalism art, and such, should it be considered a saga? It's long enough to be considered as saga, but I'm wondering it there was enough content to validate it being called a saga. -Fredinno, Feb 3, 2014.

*I think it would be best to make a Facebook Saga, as Champthom suggested above. Maybe Catherine could also be mentioned here too? And his return to his art. [[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

*I disagree, but I'm beaten, 3 to 1. Oh well, I guess I'll combine those two together. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

== Tomgirl Saga vs Calling Out Saga ==

Should the Calling Out Saga be separated from the Tomgirl Saga? The two things, in my opinion, are very different from each other, and many people from the Cwcki Forums, including me, believe the two are different Sagas. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*You are right, they are two different things, but I think the reason they have been put together is because it's part of Chris's Tomgirl phase. I don't really think Calling Out qualifies as a Saga in its own right, so, personally, I would argue against giving it its own section. I am assuming it was added to give a bit more volume to the Tomgirl Saga, but, now that we have more information on Chris's Tomgirl antics, we could replace Calling Out with something else.

*So, to link back to what we were talking about above, I guess maybe Catherine could go with Tomgirl - as Chris's first lesbian encounter. The eBay stuff could then go to a Facebook Saga because it marks a change in both Chris's personality, since he has become more withdrawn, and how he communicates, being far more paranoid and holding court only to a select few. Obviously, this withdrawal has also come about from Bob's death, and also why he is allegedly selling stuff on eBay because he claims to need the money more for him and Barb. So, here you can see a link between the change in Chris and ''why'' he has returned to making his artwork and selling stuff, but it also demonstrates a change in how trolling Chris has changed. Granted, he's still being trolled, but it's not as abrasive as it once was because it can only be done through eBay - again because Chris has cut off all contact.

*Anyway, if you see the links there that I'm thinking of, you'll understand why I want to merge the eBay Saga with Facebook, plus I don't really think enough happened for it to warrant a Saga in its own right, but I haven't seen the pages on the wiki to document it so I could be wrong on that point. Let me know how you see it and how you think Chris's recent shenanigans would be best documented. Once everyone has discussed it we will probably have a good idea of the most efficient way of categorizing his recent behavior into Sagas. Apologies for wall of text,[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 11:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*Really, though I can agree with your statement that Ebay Saga should be merged with Facebook Saga, (since there were many miscellaneous Facebook posts important to Chrisdom and Christory, the two sometimes connect with each other via Chris, and the 'ebay saga' only contains 2 fiascos that were really funny). Catherine should probably be its own saga, in my opinion, due to that stuff being related directly to a new sweetheart, but I could understand why you want it to be included as a "Tomgirl Saga, Part 2" sort of thing. On the other hand, Calling Out really has a enough content in relation to it, to be a saga, but is too big simply to be left as not a part of any saga. Since it was cut short by Bob's death, it should be considered its own saga.

In summary, I believe we should merge Facebook and Ebay Sagas, maybe merge Tomgirl and Catherine, but decouple Calling out from Tomgirl. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 21:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

== The Boxing Day Saga ==

Should there be a separate saga for SONIC'S ARMS ARE NOT FREAKING BLUE!!!
I know that the saga is older than what I will now call the "Boxing Day GameStop Spritzing", but it has a nice, poetic ring to it.
--Troll-chan Sonichu, 05/03/2015

No, That's Sonic Boom Saga.
--Fredinno

== Should the Tom Girl Saga end? ==

Since Chris has stated on facebook that she is no longer a male she is a transwoman, and a female, should the Tom Girl Saga come to a close? .--[[User:Sinistersnare]] 14:13, 7 March 2015 (PDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis worthy of a Saga? ==

chris has been begging for money for a while now, and with the mortgage of around $100,000 that barbara has to pay, i doubt it will end anytime soon.
should it be made its' own unique saga? --Kettleonwater 8th September 2016 10:46am

I think so. Chris may have begged in the past for sex and his PSN account, but I am seeing a pattern recently of him begging for money. The Financhu Crisis Saga -galxylax 13 September 2016 20:06 PST

== Just throwing it out there ==

I feel the next soon starting saga will almost undoubtedly be either The Trump Saga, or the Partyvan saga; since many have been reporting his archived death threats. --[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 22:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say now. On one hand, the anti-Trump vitriol has reached levels of hatefulness on par with classic Chris's anti-gay agenda, and Chris's return to issuing death threats suggests that he's taken quite an exception to Trump's election. On the other hand, Chris is so lazy that unless the death threats/hate rhetoric become a regular thing (a la Financhu Crisis) or he takes overt actions to advance his agenda (a la Sonic Boom Protests), the whole issue may blow over after Trump takes office. There's been an issue in the past with Christorians jumping the gun on declaring new sagas. Sometimes they've called them right, other times it's turned out to be nothing. Also, the fact that so many of Chris's death threats have already been reported, publicly exposed, and even tweeted straight to Trump's Twitter with no retaliatory action taken makes it doubtful that there will be a party van saga.--[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 23:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree with Ujirat here. Wait and see before declaring the Pmurt Saga. This has the possibility to explode into one of the most interesting sagas since the golden age, but right now, there's really nothing of interest that occurred since Eid, Pmurt, Eid and Feelings of the election results. The fumes are there, all we need is a spark.

Maybe if Sonichu restarts, he'll include Trump as a villain and Clinton as a Christ like figure? I don't know. All we can do is wait and see (and prepare the popcorn).

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Edits to Megan and Game Place Sagas ==

Revised the Megan saga because it was described as the "first and longest" of the sagas when the Game Place saga ran a good six years longer than Megan's did. In the interest of the edit not being completely subtractive, the "longest saga" superlative was rewritten in the Game Place saga where it would be accurate. I suppose there's room for debate on it being the longest, though, since there is no exact date known as to when Chris started patronizing the Place, so it can easily be undone in that case. --[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 01:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Update to 2017 ==

It's been roughly a year since the last image was added. I'm working on an extension to the current timeline all the way to 2017, adding in the rest of the Selling out Saga, and adding in the Financhu Crisis. I was wondering if I should add in the Pmurt Saga, as some of you have dubbed it, or if there's anything else you all could think of to include it onto the list. You all have around three days before I upload the finished image.
[[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 02:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't, as the Pmurt Saga is not yet official (and most people are opposed to it anyway; see the "Just throwing it out there" section above)

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems fair. Then I'll just add the rest of the Selling out Saga, and the Financhu Crisis. [[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 03:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Doopie saga ==

If not much else happens with the saga by, say, the end of the year, should it be kept up?
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*Probably not. This definitely has potential, but there's the possibility it won't go anywhere like the Jeff, Johan, and Terra Strong debacles. A couple of videos by Chris or an escalation of his discourse with Doopie would solidify this as a saga to me. Otherwise, this wouldn't really be worth mentioning on this article. --[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 20:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
* Yeah, nah, sagas can't really be named until after the fact. I'm removing the doopie section until something funny happens. [[User:Canine|Canine]] ([[User talk:Canine|talk]]) 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
* Recently, Doopie has been becoming subject to trolling mainly from interacting with Chris. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

== Jessica saga? ==

Should Jessica Quinn be a saga?

I think it should be listed, as it's separate enough from the Doopie saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ladyfriend Managers saga ==

There should be a saga entry for the trolling from 2015-2016, which included characters like [[Jeff/Francine]], [[Sam and Ellen]] and [[Johan]]. Chris let it slip that he thought he had a manager at least twice - [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/December_2015_Facebook_Posts in December 2015 on Facebook] and again in July 2016 [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Announcement_20160709|in a video]. Given the timeframe, they were probably behind that content. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

*Reverted an edit which removed the Lady Managers for being too minor of a saga. I disagree - they influenced Chris for a while. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Vanessa Saga ==

Is the Vanessa Saga really a "Saga?" it's just some random troll who chatted Chris a few times via AIM. It doesn't seem like a noticeable chapter in Chris' life to be a saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

==2nd Exile Saga==

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the 2nd CWC exile. I think it should be added. [[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

== Timeline ==

Somebody needs to update the Timeline, that thing hasn't been updated since the Doopie Saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

== Idea Guy ==

It's too soon to declare the idea guy saga over, we should probably wait say a month or so to see if Chris responds to the doxxing fiasco or if he's still under his control.

Does the Idea Guy saga really need to be extended to April? Wise has nothing to do with any of Chris' current shenanigans, and [[Dick Licker; that is I]] [https://kiwifarms.net/members/shadow-resident.23381/ was apparently natural according to Shadow Resident]. Either way, Wise doesn't have any place in recent Chris content. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

*I do have plans to rename the saga to the "Coercion" saga, or something similar, since lately, a lot of what Wise did has pretty much influenced a lot of people to continue fucking up Chris' already messed up psyche. In a sense, it does seem like somewhat of a continuation of the saga in question, we'll just see what happens for the rest of the month. For now, I've decided to rollback all of the edits I've made on the saga itself. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]

== Explain the 'Lady Managers' and Pmurt Sagas ==
I get what in Chris's life they refer to, but I'm not sure whether they should count as sagas, and given that no one has filled in their sections on the page, I don't think I'm alone.

From what I understand the 'Lady Managers Saga' seems to be defined as a combination of Chris's interactions with Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen, and the "lady managers" themselves - but none of these events seem connected, and Chris never mentioned the lady managers in relation to either of the troll encounters. Do we know exactly what influence they had on him?

Calling Chris's comments on Trump a saga feels like a stretch; all they really illustrate is that Chris fairly mainstream political views, but behaves like a child when he doesn't get his way. Chris has made more political content since 2016, but the state of national politics has had no real impact on his life and he's never really acted on his anti-Trump hysteria. If he had written a bunch of left-wing diatribes into Sonichu or stayed home from Bronycon to bash the fash back in Charlottesville, I could understand, but he hasn't, so making a big deal out of it just feels like pro-Trump schadenfreude. While Chris's recent political views are fair game, they're already covered on the [[Chris and politics]] page.

:Writing about the Lady Managers is tricky because they never released their info. We know they were active from December 2015 to July 2016, since Chris let slip at those times that he thought he had managers. The characters they came up have a common theme revolving around mocking or getting Chris to talk about his tomgirl lifestyle - Jeff/Francine was a parody of him and ADF, Sam and Ellen got him to talk about his frozen semen collection and fuck another blow-up doll on camera by framing it as a sex audition for who would get to impregnate them.

:Chris took his hatred against Pmurt to a comical extreme. He wrecked toys as effigies on video, hanged Lego Trump and Pence, and made the death threat. I think it merits a saga because Chris was obsessed with him for a few months and the content was funny. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Merging Idea Guy and Magi-Cryzel sagas ==

[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-590#post-3373402 Evidence has surfaced] which indicates that Josh Wise was responsible for both Idea Guy and the stuff that happened during Magi-Cryzel. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

== Megan ==

I think the Megan saga ended in 2008, when she cut off contact with him. Chris may have raged about her / gotten nostalgic for her years later, but those are more of follow-ups rather than part of the core saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== Null has done nothing ==

Given Chris' recent insane ramblings the consensus on KF seems to be that Idea Guy is back yet again. If Null was still being Chris' bodyguard wouldn't he have stopped this? He got Chris to forward all emails and texts so Josh or that Kentucky guy should have been spotted immediately identified by Null. He's been mum on this for a while too, he hasn't doxed a ween in ages. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

:I never considered the "Guard Dog" saga to be true saga anyways. Also, we have yet to confirm his recent antics to be the acts of the Idea Guys. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

:Null isn't the only bodyguard. The Captain seems to be the one who's talking with Chris the most right now. And like Larry said, it's not confirmed who the new trolls are, whether they're the original Idea Guys or someone else. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

::Though it is an ongoing saga, so if you want to include it, I'd suggest a new entry, "Magi-Chan saga", since the troll is posing as Magi-Chan. If it turns out to have been the original Idea Guys, we can merge it like how we did the Cryzel saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

== Rewrite Dimensional Merge to focus on Teen Troon Squad ==

On other wiki pages, we have entries referring to both "Dimensional Merge" and "Teen Troon Squad," which refer to the same overall chain of events.

But the Merge is more of a subsection of [[Teen Troon Squad]], since it's their idea. And in addition to the Merge, the Squad has also been releasing Idea Guy videos and their own screencaps of convos with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

== Sagas prior to the Megan Saga ==

Since the Megan saga began prior to Chris's discovery, shouldn't we add high school and college as sagas? They were both important times in Christory, and since so many of his early antics happened at [[PVCC]] (i.e., the [[sign]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], etc.), his college days should definitely be a saga. High school too, since that's where he created Sonichu and met his gal pals. Should I go ahead and add high school and college as sagas? [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 22:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

:Based on the current definition of a saga:'an on-going trolling effort or other similar series of events that produces considerable drama over a period of time.', I do not think a high school saga would be appropriate. I do think that you could make a stronger case for a PVCC/Mary Lee Walsh saga since there was much more drama involved and the significant ways Mary Lee Walsh and Chris' time at college would influence his future life. Chris' college years are also the begining of the first online discussion of Chris, so I think a college saga would be important. [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

== Potential MKRNightvee saga ==

Due to Chris more closely and more frequently associating with Meghan Ringo I think that there should be a saga dedicated to her. I think at this point MKR has been outed as a troll and Chris is convinced of her legitimacy. [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454 Thread on MKR's manipulative ways.] - [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:Too soon to call right now. So far, she's only had some set-up done. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

== Chris' twitter lockdown ==

Would you consider his recent twitter actions as a potential 3rd Exile? [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

==Timeline Update==

Since the timeline graphic was last updated there have been sagas created that fall outside the 2005-2018 dates on the timeline graphic. Should I update the timeline graphic with all of the new sagas? [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

== Soft Exile naming issue ==

The way this saga is centered around the exile, it could continue indefinitely if Chris keeps his new account protected. It might be good to refocus this to be about Chris freaking out over the blocking bronies instead - he just tweeted that he's done with the blocking drama, so assuming that holds true, then 22 February would be the end of this saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

:Looks like he's not over it quite yet https://i.imgur.com/QqJdGUl.png [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 07:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

== Reinstate the Merge saga? ==

Chris is still mentioning the merge stuff and it seems like the Teen Troon Squad were just Idea Guy wannabes. Plus the Troon squad is no longer influencing him now.
[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

*I too like this idea. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== Classifying some sagas as eras ==

From a discussion on the Tomgirl Saga talk page, we should reclassify some items on the Saga list as eras instead. An era could be defined as a set of events which could go on indefinitely, as opposed to a saga which is a story that eventually wraps up or fizzles out, and be filed under the same column as the Exile sections. Transgender (renaming Tomgirl), Financhu Crisis, Business, Dimensional Merge, and Soft Exile could classify as that. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure you have thought long and hard about this, but the exiles are already confusing to read after getting through the non-linear list of sagas. Further confusion comes from "Inter Exile Sagas" which are like Star Wars spinoff movies. I don't get it. The timeline graphic is long, and there is overall a lot to wade through. It would be nice to know all of what has happened and is happening at a glance. As for the word "era", it's accurate but less exciting than "saga". [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== New Section: Pre-Christory ==

I was just thinking recently, shouldn't we have a section on Pre-Christory? I'd personally define it as the period before Chris became noticed by Encyclopedia Dramatica. Basically, it would be the period where Chris was still a goofball, but wasn't nearly as infamous. In that same section, I was thinking we should add a sub-section for his high school years, as that somewhat shaped who he is today, and it was a significant era in his life. It would also include the PVCC, Megan, and Adam Sagas.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

== I don't think the Jacob Saga is over ==

With Chris appointing him as the overseer of his Patreon, the Twitter dialogue about wanting to share a kiss, and Jacob planning an alleged Halloween visit suggests that their interactions are far from over. It does seem that the rift from September 28 to now just seems like a lull, and most Sagas had lulls and I know of many that were prematurely given an end date during said lulls. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

== New Categories for Sagas. ==

For the past decade, sagas were put into two groups, ones for sweethearts, others for trolls. Considering that the Love Quest is now over, I think we might need a category for Chris' finances or one for his enablers. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
: Sagas describe the content we get from Chris, and the Financhu Crisis, if looming in the background for quite a while, has certainly not been a running theme driving Chris's antics since 2017 or so. Begging is too related to unrelated, incidental expenses and satisfied by enablers too quickly for Chris to sustain output within a theme. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

== Enablers saga? ==

Should [[Enablers]] / [[Other enablers]] have a saga entry? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

*Why would we need to have an enablers saga? Doesn't the Dimensional Merge Saga kind of cover that? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 08:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

::I agree with PsychoNerd. Classic Chris had an epidemic of weens, and modern Chris has one of enablers. Neither wave of mimics deserves its own saga. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 08:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

== Thetan ==

Maybe [[Thetan]] could be added to the Saga list. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. I feel that Thetan's activities were too broad and far apart to qualify. I mean, she's essentially along the lines of [[Kim Wilson]]/[[Emily]], but she doesn't have a dedicated saga. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 18:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::I'm not sure about Thetan's activities being too broad - those primarily revolved around posing as ex-classmates in 2013/14. She also did other things like impersonate the firefighter or be involved with the Catherine saga though those don't seem as significant as the classmate stuff. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::I see what you are going for in the sense of Thetan posing as Chris's former classmates, but I still feel that making an entire saga around her is unnecessary. Maybe something along the lines of a "Manchester High Reunion Saga" would be a better option. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 19:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Incest Saga ==

Continuing [[:Template talk:Incest|from this talk page]], on second thought maybe we should split "Incest" to a sub-Saga called "Incest Leak Drama"? Leak Drama can house the tangential drama surrounding Bella/the Suitress/The WCT. Because those three weren't involved with the Incest itself so to label them as being part of the "incest" saga on their pages is a bit misleading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:I feel like the "Incest Saga" was always primarily about both the Incest itself, and partly the drama that surrounds it. Even though Bella and the Suitress weren't directly connected to him fucking his mom, I still feel they played a very crucial role in the saga in that the former had essentially recorded Chris admitting to the act, and that the latter had leaked the parts of the call, which subsequently led to his arrest. I guess the stuff on WCT is probably better suited for the "Watchmen Saga"? Anything that's not directly related to Chris should not be summarized under there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::Yeah, Bella/the Suitress were what caused the Incest saga to end. I guess if we keep the incest saga intact and not split it, the part on the tangential drama could just be deleted - the paragraph about Bella's damage control (which is mentioned on her/the Suitress articles anyway). I agree with the point about The WCT because he was acting as a Watchman when he tried asking Bella for her side of the story and ended up getting manipulated into her sideshow drama which isn't really directly related to Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

==Third Exile==

Now that Chris has been transferred out of jail, should we consider renaming "Jail Saga" to the "Third Exile"? Because it doesn't seem we'll get that much out of the hospital. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

:Is he still technically incarcerated, just at the hospital instead of a jail? He might return to the jail later. Maybe wait until whatever happens in July to clarify his situation. Or rename it now and rename it again in July if needed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

::In that case, I guess we can keep the name. If he goes back to jail, we can just add the date in which he's brought back. I just don't really see a "Nuthouse Saga" anytime soon. If by July he's still in the nuthouse, I say we rename it. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

== Everfree Northwest ==

At the moment, all of the stuff regarding Everfree is considered part of the Watchmen saga. I can't help but think we should move it to the Jacob saga, as a majority of the concerns regarding that event was about Jacob showing up there in disguise, and was basically the whole reason Chris asked Bella and the Suitress to accompany him. Any objections to this? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Sounds fine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Nuthouse Saga Merge ==

Should we merge the nuthouse saga with the jail saga? Given it was such a short period of time, I feel like it's more accurate to describe it as an event of the jail saga rather than it's own listed period of time, as well as it being covered on the [[Jail Saga]] page already. [[User:SodaSpring|SodaSpring]] ([[User talk:SodaSpring|talk]]) 05:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

== Freedom Saga ==

The most recent saga in this page is entitled "Freedom Saga" which I named. The previous name for this saga was "CWC Was Here Saga" which I changed as I thought it was too long. There is currently no consensus on what the name of the saga that covers the 8 August 2023-Present should be so I choose "Freedom Saga" as an interregnum name. Does anyone have a better suggestion on what the name of this saga should be?
:Both "Freedom" and "Incognito" are too vague and could be the name of other sagas. There are other sagas which have longer names then "CWC Was Here" such as the "Nathaniel Greene" or "Leonard Bearstein" sagas. The saga icon is a reference to {{w|Kilroy was here}}, which I think fits well. Another saga name could be "Kilroy" saga, but I think that would be too confusing. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 13:45, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

== Offical Rename ==

I just held a poll on the Offical CWCki Discord Server for what name to choose for the current saga, these were the results.

CWC Was Here Saga - 1 Vote

Incognito saga - 1 Vote

Freedom Saga - 7 Votes

I think we have a very obvious favorite here, I propose an offical rename to the '''Freedom Saga'''. Stop changing it back to CWC Was Here Saga [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]], most people dislike the name. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 21:21, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

:I was unaware most people disliked it other than you and that other editor as when I messed up the previous saga name, everyone kicked off on reddit, which I did not see this time. I apologize. I think Incognito works the best, and it still with the saga icon. I will change it now. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 22:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

== Merge incognito and third exile saga ==

They really aren't too different. Incognito Saga still has loads of post-jail sightings that apparently aren't a part of that saga, and the page has an 'other sightings' part for no real reason. It should just be Third Exile saga with Chris becoming more active in the latter half of the saga. I think that would be a lot more simple. Also it should go from 27 March to 16 October, he seems to be actually returning now. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (EDT)

== Christmas Saga? ==

Over the past few days Chris has been talking about Chistmas on Twitter. He's predictably acting entitled and expecting his "fans" go shower him with gifts, he even hijacked Toys For Tots and made it about himself. Now this isn't new behavior out of Chris but I think this time is distinct because this is the first Christmas he'll have post jail and in his new position as Praetor's captive. I fully expect Chris to get more and more worked up about Christmas as it gets closer and he'll become more and more perfectionist. Those in the [[Unholy Tetrad]] will take notice, they always do, and given his Amazon wishlist tweet I fully expect weens to send a bunch of MLP G5 stuff to him. We don't need a crystal ball to see what happens next, Christmas will fall short of his expectations and he'll bitch about it be it on Youtube or Twitter. This has the potential to give us the first post-jail tard rage video.

We're in for a lulzy Christmas that I believe will be quite notable.

[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:01, 14 December 2023 (EST)

== Publicity Saga ==

I suggest creating a new saga, starting from January 4 and the Cary, NC sighting, Publicty Saga.
As a result of his past actions, Chris has gotten a lot of bad publicity, both because of his own actions, and a group of weens and enablers he has ecompassed over the many years, especially now, after the Second Coming. Chris is on the blacklist of many cons, was kicked out of Aniamte! Raleigh, and now seeks shelter in unlikely places, such as the Keffals livestream.
Flutter also seems to have left the scene as of January 13, as Chris was spotted alone near the airport that day.
So far, the current events are:

- January 4 -
sighting in Cary, NC, which made weens aware of the event

- January 5-6 -
Animate! Raleigh, Chris was not allowed on the second day due to reports to the staff

- January 7 -
Chris claims that he has had a good weekend, doesn't acknowledge the events at the con

- January 13 -
Lone sighting at a gas station (probably WaWa) in Henrico County, near the Richmond International Airport, probably returning after dropping off Flutter

A textwall ranting about CosmicKeyframe blocking him, start of bigger ween interactions over the next few following days

- January 14 -
Announcement of the Keffals livestream with him

- January 15 -
New video ranting about G5, con ban, blocking on Twitter ect

A bit of a Q&A on Twitter with weens

Keffals has a livestream in which, among other things, she states that the conversation with Chris will be pre recorded and heavily edited
[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 06:33, 16 January 2024 (EST)

:I see the potential, sounds good. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (EST)
:May be a bit early to declare a saga, should wait a bit to see if the pattern holds. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:04, 16 January 2024 (EST)

== New saga? ==

We lacked a Flutter saga, but as you still believe she might be a real deal and not want to be on there, fair. However, with Chris's absense from the internet (Over two weeks, all the content we get is pre recorded or by other parties), I think we might have entered either a soft exile due to Flutter, or another weird part of the Revelations Saga. I do not even wanna call it Revelations Saga anymore as all of the revelations have been done already. We've got nothing new going on right now. The whole Caden thing was a dead end. What do we do in this situation?

And PS: How do I make a single reference to the CWCki for multiple items? I kinda need it for the video games list article.[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:Should probably just wait until things become clearer. No need to rush with naming sagas. Currently seems to be a slow time for Christory. For the references you can do <nowiki><ref name=streampoll>[[February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll|From screenshots of his games shared by him on Twitter.]]</ref></nowiki> for the first item, then <nowiki><ref name=streampoll></ref></nowiki> for the rest. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:We already had a soft exile in 2019. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 21:44, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Revelations Saga over? ==

While it's probably too early to name a new saga, I feel that we're at a point now when we've learned the bulk of what we're going to about the Jail Saga. Because of that, I feel like it's a misnomer to say we're still in the Revelations Saga at this point. The GFM meetup and interview probably marked the end of whatever else we're going to learn outside of the inevitable years-long dripfeed. Should we officially declare the saga to have ended on March 18? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 06:39, 27 April 2024 (EDT)
:Praetor still hasn't released the Goddess Logs so there is still a lot more info about jail on the way. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 08:54, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

== The new saga (Third time's a charm) ==

Considering that we saw a large shift in Chris's behavious and online activity that became even more commercialised than before, with the new website, Minecraft lets plays and the Play Button in his possession, I suggest that we do finally make a new saga. Revelations is no longer, well, relevant, due to the fact that we now learn nothing new about Chris other than his long Twitter rants that are likely AI generated with some corrections from him. The Commercialised Saga/CWCLight Saga/Extortion Saga are all possible names. I feel like all that we're gonna get as of now is more Praetor produced content. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

:I dunno, this sounds like an extension of the existing Business and Praetor sagas. What extortion? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:35, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

::I agree that the Revelations Saga is almost definitely over with the flurry of recent events, but it's still too soon imo to determine what will contextualize the next saga. The recent trip puts the potential of a Flutter Saga back into the spotlight, but it's still too soon to declare anything. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:34, 4 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga ==

Ever since he's left jail, I think it's become clear that Chris is no longer financially struggling like he used to. Ignoring his multiple overseas vacations and the fact that he now lives on his own, Chris has had a steady passive income from his and Praetor's merchandise ever since he first went to jail. He's rarely begged for money since the first few months of the Jail Saga, and even when he's done so, it's been during streams and done in a largely normalized way. The panic and guilt-tripping present in the e-begging between 2016 and 2021 is a thing of the past. While much can be said about Caden's situation, and speculated about Barb's, I think it's become clear that Chris is essentially financially stable as of his arrest.

On another note, I think it's worth discussing whether it's time to elevate Praetor to a Meta-Saga. Chris has been involved with Caden and Praetor for nearly half a decade at this point, and especially since he's left jail, a majority of his presence online has been dictated by their manipulation, their financing, their contributions to Chris's content, or Chris's attempts to draw attention to their merchandise. We're at a point where a vast majority of Chris's videos from the past two years are tagged with the Praetor saga, and it's almost become redundant. It's clear that without their constant presence, Chris's output would be very different right now. It would be setting a new precedent since no individual troll or group has ever been elevated to Meta-Saga status before, but I think Praetor has been the first to posit an argument for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:27, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:I agree with both suggestions. When would you say that the Financhu Crisis ended? [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 09:05, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:Agree that Financhu Crisis is over for now. Maybe we should count [[debt]] cases for it, Chris had a garnishment case filed in March 2023 and it was tossed for "no funds" in April. If Praetor is put as a meta saga it'd be concurrent with the Business meta-saga... is there enough distinction between Praetor and Business? It seems to me that Praetor could also be added as a paragraph in Business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
::Agreed in regard to the debt; I'd say the Financhu Crisis ended on 26 April 2023 based on that info.

::I think the main difference between the Praetor and Business sagas is that the Business Saga intrinsically revolved around Chris's self-sustained business ventures, while the Praetor saga essentially sees Chris working under someone else for the first time in his life, aside from his brief stint at Wendy's. In effect, this means that the Business Saga was characterized by Chris's inability to run a business on his own. The entertainment came from the unique ways he failed to do so when he was given full creative and financial control. Meanwhile, the Praetor Saga is characterized by Chris's new role as an employee in someone else's business,, and seems to essentially revolve around him trying to keep his 'bosses' satisfied. The entertainment (however little there is) comes from the times Chris has slipped up and fucked them or himself over despite their clear attempts to idiot-proof him. They're similar on a surface level, but in practice, they've played out very distinctly from each other. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 21:21, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:::That distinction makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is this (finally) a saga? ==

I feel like I'm posting here a lot, but CWC's recent flood of support toward [[Kamala Harris]] on Twitter, and subsequent anger following [[Pmurt]]'s reelection, seems like the closest thing we've gotten to a cohesive saga since the Third Exile. He's done multiple videos/streams mentioning or focusing on it, and he's been posting and reposting about it at basically every opportunity. He literally made several custom yard signs and posted them illegally outside 14BC. In retrospect, now that it's winding down, it really does feel like it qualifies from my perspective. Should this be counted as a new saga, and if so, should it be codified as the Kamala Saga or the Second Pmurt Saga? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:26, 6 November 2024 (EST)

== Fashion Square Mall Saga ==
I don't know about you, but since the closing of this place, it dawned on me that it feels a little bit odd that we don't have a saga for FSM, especially since a number of notable events happened there before his permaban. For one, it was one of the first, and one of his most active [[attraction locations]], and it's also one of the first places where several of his practices of luring sweethearts had occurred, such as the Red String of Fate, as well as where he met a few gal-pals (Anna, Hannah, and Emily specifically). It was also a prominent location in his comics, where he'd try and exaggerate his experiences there, and also arguably where he began his [[Jerkops|distrust with authority figures]], since he got in trouble with the staff there many times. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:27, 22 February 2025 (EST)
:It's significant as a location, but I don't think it's enough for a Saga entry. PVCC shaped him more in comparison. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:11, 23 February 2025 (EST)

== Concerns about the Praetor Saga ==
For a while, I've been meaning to split the Praetor Saga apart, as I feel it's getting a bit bloated, and for the fact that Chris's involvement with Praetor pre-jail is fundamentally different from his involvement with it now. Pre-Jail, you had the Watchmen breathing down their necks, especially with the Taser stuff, and Post-Jail, there's a completely different dynamic between them and Chris, where they now seem to act as replacement guardians for him.

For now, what I plan on doing is separating all of the stuff having to do with Chris's [[Gate Crystal]] and the [[Taser]] from the rest of the saga, as I feel that's only tangentially related to Praetor itself, and had its own twists and turns in Christory, and making it its own saga, which I dub "'''The Gate Crystal Saga'''". [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 00:11, 7 March 2025 (EST)
:I agree it's a bit bloated. Would the taser stuff be kind of short for a saga? What would be the start-end dates? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:02, 7 March 2025 (EST)
:I don't think the start date should be May 2022. It cancels out too much of Praetor's history with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:31, 15 March 2025 (EDT)
::Maybe you're right, what do you suppose it should be then? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 07:44, 15 March 2025 (EDT)
::I think it should be September 2020 since that's when they started meeting with Chris. They've had a consistent history since. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:50, 16 March 2025 (EDT)
:::If we do that, do you propose we move it back to the "Rise N Fall" era, as well? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:29, 16 March 2025 (EDT)
::::We could do that, since it originated from that timeframe. By the way, what do you think of the proposal [[Talk:Saga#Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga|here]] to move Praetor to Meta-saga? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:11, 17 March 2025 (EDT)
:::::Honestly, that might actually be a better idea. Chris's time with Praetor is essentially the first real job he's had, and it has spanned over so many sagas by now (Crystalgate, Lainchu, Warhol, Jail, Third Exile, and Revelations). To declare Praetor as an ordinary saga would probably only complicate the timeline further, since everything that happened with regards to Praetor merely happened in other sagas. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 12:49, 17 March 2025 (EDT)

==What constitutes a Saga?==

Someone DM'd me asking about the Saga page. These are his questions:

{{quoteboxgray|I have actually been wondering. What makes something a saga? What is the criteria for something to be a saga? From what I understand for something to be a saga it'd have to revolve around a potential sweetheart or something/someone that is antagonistic to Chris or it is an exile. So why is Copitz a saga? Also what makes other events such as KwaiiSandbag's trolling for example not a saga?}}

My reply was, "My opinion is if there's something which generates a lot of content, it's marked as a saga, though what is a lot depends on editor."

Anyone have any thoughts on this? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:29, 16 March 2025 (EDT)

:I personally view a "saga" as being that, or leading to a significant change of some sort in Christory. Copitz would count because that was one of the things that made Chris more known in Internet circles. KawaiiSandbags just sort of happened, but Chris didn't really create much content, nor did it lead to any significant events. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:17, 16 March 2025 (EDT)
::Well Chris stopped pretending to be Sonichu, which is very significant to Chris. I think the definition could be "a period of events that happened revolving around a potential sweetheart, someone/something that affects Chris which leads to significant event(s) or change, or it is an exile." This definition includes every saga so far and excludes the stuff with Helena Fiorenza for example. However, this definition also includes KwaiiSandbag and Flutter as sagas. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 15:34, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
::: Honestly, I think I somewhat like this definition. Maybe we could also define these sagas off the the meta-sagas, which I think could satisfy your definition too (the stuff with potential sweethearts going under the Love Quest, for example). On an unrelated note too...yeah enough stuff has happened with regards to Flutter to make a saga about her, IMO, regardless of if we apply your definition or not. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 15:49, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
::I was thinking, if the key thing Kwaii did was bait Chris into ending the Sonichu RP, then why not consider him a part of the Roleplaying Saga instead of making a new saga for him? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:25, 8 April 2025 (EDT)
:::Probably the same reason Ivy isn't just a part of the Love Quest saga. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 18:05, 8 April 2025 (EDT)
:::: Either way, Chris was roleplaying as Sonichu for quite a while, so ANYONE convincing him to quit it is quite noteworthy, I would say. Plus, there were also the implications for what this meant regarding the bigger picture. Even with people like the Watchmen influencing the CWCSphere, people could still influence Chris in such a huge way. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:15, 8 April 2025 (EDT)

== Praetor as a Meta-Saga name ==
I think the employment saga is a bad name. The most accurate title would probably be Caden saga as he is the main person behind the Etsy shop/Praetor. Calling it the Praetor saga would also be acceptable but IDK if the group is calling themselves Praetor post-jail.
:Yeah, let's just keep it as "Praetor". I only changed it to "employment" on the basis of it being a meta-saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 23:24, 17 March 2025 (EDT)

== Watchmen as a Meta-saga ==
So, as some of you may know, I've expressed concerns about the Watchmen saga being "bloated", and proposed a few times to split it into smaller sagas. The sagas that did come out of that did turn out to flow somewhat evenly into the timeline, but I do realize I might have approached that issue all wrong.

From all I've worked on regarding the Lainchu and "Crystalgate" sagas, I think I've come to the conclusion that the problem isn't so much the saga is "bloated" as much as it is that there's a lot of stuff that went on with that group, with many instances of in-fighting, leadership changes, and the numerous people they went after, all of which caused a whole flurry of events, and had a notable effect on both the CWCsphere and Chris's online presence. Not to mention, we already have a template for [[:Template:WatchmenLeaks|all of the Watchmen leaks]], so it seems somewhat pointless to make a [[:Template:WatchmenSaga|separate one]] for the saga as it's defined here. Since Praetor became a Meta-saga for similar reasons, I propose we do the same with the Watchmen, since they undeniably made a huge impact on the story, but probably shouldn't be treated as just a regular saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17:23, 10 April 2025 (EDT)
:I just think it is a long running normal saga. I think Praetor was considered a meta-saga due to Chris's employment. Even then I'm unsure if Praetor should even be considered a meta-saga or not. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 18:09, 10 April 2025 (EDT)

== Why Not Just Simply Name the Everfree/Quickening Section "Fiona Saga"? ==

Most of the sagas are named after people anyways. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:55, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Because that saga isn't just about Fiona. She was only a part of what that saga's about, the things that led up to the Incest Saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 20:56, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
::I'm looking at all the links on the saga and they all pertain to Fiona in some way. Even the Watchmen discourse. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:57, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::Not really...you have the Funding (which is there because it's what led to Null calling the cops on Chris), which was mostly Null, and the Knights of CWC was stuff having to do with Chris leaving The Place sever and the planned protection against Jacob Sockness, among other things, which was a pretty big deal when it happened. The saga as a whole is closer to say "the Bella/Fiona" saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:00, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
::::I don't think either Fiona or Bella are notable enough to have Sagas named for them. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:08, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::::I don't either, I was just trying to give a better idea on what that saga's scope was. The saga's not about either just Bella or Fiona, as they were both just players to something bigger. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:28, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::::I was in the middle of suggesting either "Bella and Fiona Saga" or "Love Triangle Saga" based on what Bella said when you replied. I guess "Love Triangle Saga" it is? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 21:12, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
::::I think "Quickening" sounds a bit too corny. Go back to "Everfree Saga" I don't think anyone had a problem with that or go with "Love Triangle Saga" I'm fine with that too. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 21:50, 11 April 2025 (EDT)

== Revelations Saga ==

I'm sure this "saga", which just groups together all of the stuff since Chris's return to the Internet, had a purpose at some point, especially when it seemed that we weren't going to get anything new from Chris any time soon, but at this point...I just don't seen any reason to still have this. At this rate, things are essentially back to normal as far as Chris is concerned, he's back to posting on social media and making livestreams regularly again, not too different from the "Rise N Fall era", so to me, just grouping all of that together into a "saga", which just contains loosely related events, doesn't seem that practical.

Another user suggested we maybe just make all of the stuff surrounding Flutter a saga, too, which I do think is reasonable since Chris has produced enough content and enough prominent events around her had occurred to warrant it, so maybe the best course of action is to just put that there instead.[[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:01, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
: I think making a combined Flutter/Finland saga would be good. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 13:46, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
:: I think we might as well combine that with Flutter, TBH, since most of the trips we've seen thus far involved Flutter too. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:47, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
:::Wouldn't it make more sense to put the start date to the Flutter Saga at Early 2022 when she first contacted Chris? (some time between April and July) [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 14:43, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
::::It's too early for a Flutter saga, there's very little info. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:45, 14 April 2025 (EDT)

== Is there a new Transformers Related Saga? ==

I know it is boring, but there is so much content on it lately. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 23:11, 5 August 2025 (EDT)

:It's best to be lumped into whatever saga praetor is in. Xela actually proved on the farms that these are pre-recorded to serve as filler content while Chris is in Finland, meaning Caden is curating this content. Not distinct enough to be a saga. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:13, 5 August 2025 (EDT)

::I think Chris is just scheduling out those videos. Plus, Chris has done more than just the videos, like blog entries, social media posts, retardedly putting the toys in stores pretending they have merged over here, etc. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 23:18, 5 August 2025 (EDT)

== Twilight Saga ==

I dunno, is this really needed? The events are basically orbiter drama or random stuff/plans happening in the background. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:16, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
:My original intent with that was just to group the stuff with the Knights of CWC somewhere, since a lot of that did lead up to the incest leaks. It just so happened that before that time, a lot of stuff was happening all at once, and a lot of it also happened to overlap with the Knights drama. The saga itself is based on what Anaxis calls the "Twilight of Christory" in his Manifesto. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 00:22, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
::I'm honestly unsure of what all this saga is supposed to be about.[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 00:37, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
:::Again my original intent was to try and got the Knights stuff somewhere and the events that overlapped with it, since they didn't really fit in any other saga. I felt doing this would make the timeline a bit more comprehensive, as it is important to at least know how the calls got leaked. I'm all for a compromise to deal with the concern of the saga not having a clear overarching theme, even if it means we might need to remove the safa. All I care about is making sure we fit the buildup to those leaks somewhere. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:51, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
::::I would just fold that content into other saga entries, like one of the Watchmen-related ones or the Incest saga. Also, a concern I see with Twilight saga is there's no clear person leading it. Bella and Fiona represent it, but neither of them are significant enough for their own saga. And some content has nothing to do with them, like the Watchmen's fallout. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:17, 3 September 2025 (EDT)
:::::I've thought about this, and honestly, the stuff with the Knights server is in a peculiar position, since it has overlapped with so many sagas and important events. For one, it includes the downfall of the Watchmen group and its splintering into the Knights, the meta-drama involving the Toxic Trio and Bella from the Crystalgate Saga, the G5 drama surrounding Chris, and we cannot forget about the incest leaks. Strangely, not making this a separate saga feels like leaving a massive void in the narrative since so many unrelated things have overlapped all at once at the same time. To me, the Twilight Saga kind of feels like the Revelations saga in that same regard. Perhaps the best way to define the Twilight Saga is where all of the loose ends of these seemingly unrelated sagas are tied together, leading to the Incest Saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:43, 25 October 2025 (EDT)
::::::Honestly, I am not so sure Revelations is even a defined saga, the only reason I didn't say anything is because its about current events and we could look back at it later. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 11:08, 25 October 2025 (EDT)
:When I edited the glossary, I thought this is just orbiter stuff. The idea seems to have come from the Lainchu Manifesto. Which in context is just how orbiters at the time experienced the revelation of the incest saga. I looked at the article "Twilight of Christory" to be sure. But then I realized something, the only reason it doesn't make sense is there is no focus. But I noticed an actual saga in there that could replace this: "The Knights Saga". I suggest to move anything else into their respective sagas. And keep the Knights of CWC stuff. This would give more of a focus to the saga. That's what I think. By the way the person leading this saga would be The WCT. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 11:20, 30 October 2025 (EDT)

== Splitting Praetor Saga ==
I am think that since Praetor is not confirmed to exist beyond Caden anymore and that the group hasn't referred to themselves as Praetor for a while that the Praetor saga should be split into Praetor saga "2020-2021" and Caden saga "2022-Present" and that Praetor should be removed from the meta-saga section. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 11:20, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:It is confirmed Praetor LLC still exists and that there are more people involved than just Caden. I don't know where you got this information, but it is inaccurate. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 12:42, 11 January 2026 (EST)
::Praetor LLC is no longer an active LLC and there are not confirmed to be more people than Caden. IDK if you're thinking of Thomas Cecil (registered agent of the company registered to the Big Island House) but he is not confirmed to be still working with Caden. Also on Thomas's Facebook he claimed to be homeless for a while which would make no sense if he knew that Caden had a house for him to live in. What is your source that Praetor LLC still exists and there are more people involved than just Caden? [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 13:19, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::Re-read the praetor page.[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 13:23, 11 January 2026 (EST)
::::From [[Praetor#Membership]] {{quote| While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there were at least three other members as of late 2020, along with several additional collaborators. The four core members were all students at Goochland High School in Goochland, Virginia. Owen left the group sometime prior to June 2021, and while there's no conclusive evidence on Annabel leaving, she had a 10 month break in making content following 25 December 2023, after which she had made her own website to sell her content on. There is no indication that Cabell remained involved with Praetor after Chris's arrest for incest in August 2021, '''making Caden the only confirmed remaining member.''' It's very possible, however, that he has since hired more members to produce art, as many of the products made since aren't total shite.}} [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 13:46, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::::He's the only member we know of, but there are more members. That line needs tweaked a bit. '''briefly spoke with Praetor, referring to them as a "solid group of people" and "a team that runs all the financials,"''' [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 14:32, 11 January 2026 (EST)
::::::GFM is not a reliable source. CWC himself flip flops between referring to a singular manager and a group of people. CWC has never mentioned any members of Praetor except Caden on stream or video. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 15:09, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::::::Caden owns Praetor. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:24, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::Is there a video editor and someone making the non-Chris made medallions around? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:34, 12 January 2026 (EST)
::::We don't have evidence these aren't just Caden. From his Feb 2025 speeding ticket we know that he has Virginia address listed as the Big Island House and he's apparently produced videos before:https://x.com/glndschools/status/1179777349564456960?s=20. He could create and ship the medallions and edit CWC's videos by himself. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 22:46, 12 January 2026 (EST)
:::::I think it is better to keep it as it is now. We simply don't have enough information and Caden alone or not, Praetor is still active. That is my thoughts for now. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2026 (EST)

== It Appears This Is a New Saga ==

I think "Redemption Saga" fits perfectly. What do others think? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 22:51, 18 February 2026 (EST)
:Some people in CWCki Server were also talking about wanting that. I dunno about it, I'm not sure there's enough distinction. I also think there are too many sagas in general. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:15, 18 February 2026 (EST)
::I don't think there is enough sagas. I don't know if Revelations is even a saga. It is hard to tell what is revelations and what is not. Also I think all of the transformers shit throughout 2024-2025 and January, I think that is a saga. I think Flutter is a saga. And I think we are in a new Redemption Saga.[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2026 (EST)
:::Usually something like Chris's recent "redemption arc" is part of some larger saga. I'm kind of on the verge of just grouping it with the stuff having to do with Mewgenics, since the revived controversy over Chris's incest charges due to his role in the game are what got Chris into this in the first place. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17:52, 19 February 2026 (EST)

== Guard Dogs/Null/Praetor ==

What should be the end date for the Guard Dogs? Also is it odd that Chris's videos are tagged as Praetor saga even if they don't appear to have had direct influence? Even though Null and Praetor had similar roles to Chris, there's no Null saga for [[The Create Unknown]] or [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW]] where Null's influence was more apparent. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:14, 23 March 2026 (EDT)
:Yeah I kind of agree with the Praetor thing. Their influence really is only in the description of most videos. [[Editing CC-82 Review Video]], [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], and others actually involves Praetor though. Don't know what to put for the end date of the Guard Dogs Saga. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 16:52, 23 March 2026 (EDT)
::Agree about the few videos that do show their involvement. Should we start removing their saga icon from the rest? As for the Guard Dogs, the last major thing done was the doxxing of Lukas from 25 December 2018. But Chris referenced the Guard Dogs group in his January 2019 [[Marvin DMs]], and The Captain was still occasionally checking in by April. So either 25 December 2018 as the last influential thing or 3 April 2019 as the group was fizzling out. Marvin and Null each were still doing things after that point, but I don't think as a group. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:46, 23 March 2026 (EDT)
::I dunno, should we even keep the Guard Dogs saga or phase it out and put them in as a mention in the Idea Guys and Lukas sagas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:30, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
:::Now that I think about it, maybe it isn't a saga... I know originally it wasn't put there as a saga, it was just put there to fill in the gap between The Idea Guys and the TTS. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 04:50, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
::::Guard Dogs was always kind of vaguely defined. The main thing I'm unsure about is whether putting the Guard Dogs into Idea Guys/Lukas will overcrowd those and make it look as if Guard Dogs people were actively participating in those sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:02, 29 March 2026 (EDT)

== Ciel Saga/Liquid Blue Heart Saga? ==

I'm guessing this is a new saga? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:24, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
:Now that I think about it, it is more like Liquid Blue Heart GOBoom Saga. Lol. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:03, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
::Do we have a category for this sort of thing? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:02, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
:::Maybe it is a bit early right now, but it is more in the vein of a campaign type saga(Like Sonic Boom Saga, GOPony Saga, TF2 Analysis Saga, Pmurt Saga, Stackhouse Saga) if that is what you are asking. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 07:45, 30 March 2026 (EDT)

== Recruitment Saga ==

I'd like to propose a "Recruitment Saga" running from [[March 2026]] to present. At the tail end of March, Chris hired [[Philip Paymo]] as a moderator, which broke a long streak of wariness toward enablers starting in late 2024. Since that time, he's made several efforts to recruit other collaborators; he's not-so-subtly shouted out artists on social media, solicited animators during livestreams, asked for help from costume designers multiple times, and asked for help 3D printing both on social media and during [[CLog 07282026 - YouTube Channel Announcements and Updates]]. He's also since brought on Philip for other projects, along with other editors, and he's declared that he'll no longer be using AI. We've also seen evidence that other minor enablers have been in contact with him in recent months, and he went as far as to remove Jesus from his name for "branding". This seems to be a broader effort from Chris to put together a team, and it's lasted a while by now with no signs of stopping. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:50, 17 October 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Saga

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Cottonmather: /* Recruitment Saga */ new section

Add the sagas that we have from the [[List of Videos]] page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
*The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --[[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
* Add information involving the Ebay stuff to the Facebook Saga section. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
* Add the 2014 sagas to the Sagas timeline. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)

* I actually really like these. [[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Your wish is my command. It is done. I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly? I can get started on a timeline. I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful. Are there any other sagas that should be here? I assume not. What do we need to add to make this... complete... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

==Timeline==
[[Image:Timeline.png|right]]
So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
*I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
:*I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)
*I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.
----[[User:Kwippleton|Kwippleton]] 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

==Gregg Mays saga==
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

==Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?==
Or does anyone think it's too early? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
* I was about to suggest the same thing. With the [[Kill de Jack|recent]] [[To Clyde and Jack|videos]] aimed at him, the [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|three]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 2|phone]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 3|calls]] and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention [[It's UGH!|previous]] [[Chris humps his PS3|antics]], there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** And I think it has begun! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]] Saga. You like? --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Awesome job on the icon! --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
===Actually...===
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. [[User:Chris fangs|Chris fangs]] 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/File:Timeline.png], which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]

*Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]
::::*I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==The CWCki Saga, anyone?==

I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
*Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death. If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it. If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Vanessa Saga==

My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== more saga sum up images ==

we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others
[[image:Picture_4.png]]

== Tito saga ==

'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named [[Lovely Weather]]. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to [[The Wallflower]]? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
* Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==IRL Saga?==

It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
* I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**How about 'Reality Saga'? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
***If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**** I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
***** I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flipnote Hatena saga ==

Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
*It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
**Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--[[User:Yoyoddd|Yoyoddd]] 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
***I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
****Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
*****Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint ''somewhere''.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==PS3 Saga?==

Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

==Missing Sagas==
Why aren't the sagas caused by [[Vanessa_Saga|Joshua Martinez]] included on the saga list?
*1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

==On Sagas==
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

*Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called [[Ivy]] and the article on the Liquid Saga is called [[Liquid Chris]]. But then there are articles which are literally called [[Miyamoto Saga]] or [[Vanessa Saga]], which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Vanessa Hudgens]]. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are [[:Template:BlancaSaga]] and [[:Template:MeganSaga]]. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
:*Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
::*Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

== Individual Saga pages ==

I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
* EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
* I made a [[Tomgirl Saga]] page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
*I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the [[Ivy]] page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the [[Liquid Chris]] page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
**I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
*** i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
* I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

== Second Exile saga? ==

Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

- I disagree. A time without content, I feel, shouldn't be considered a saga.--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] 13:01, 3 Feburary 2014

== Regarding the Catherine Saga ==

I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
:Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I have added some details to the Catherine and Sonic sagas, but I think that you are right about combining the Facebook saga point. A good deal of information from Catherine is not really typical trolling, but further information on Chris's condition as a Tomgirl and his general repulsive self. It may be a good idea to combine the two into some sort of saga, rather than having two separate sections.[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 13:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== Is there an "Ebay" Saga going on right now? ==

Considering all of the ebay stuff that has been going on for a while, like the situation with Mr. Smith, the Tribalism art, and such, should it be considered a saga? It's long enough to be considered as saga, but I'm wondering it there was enough content to validate it being called a saga. -Fredinno, Feb 3, 2014.

*I think it would be best to make a Facebook Saga, as Champthom suggested above. Maybe Catherine could also be mentioned here too? And his return to his art. [[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

*I disagree, but I'm beaten, 3 to 1. Oh well, I guess I'll combine those two together. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

== Tomgirl Saga vs Calling Out Saga ==

Should the Calling Out Saga be separated from the Tomgirl Saga? The two things, in my opinion, are very different from each other, and many people from the Cwcki Forums, including me, believe the two are different Sagas. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*You are right, they are two different things, but I think the reason they have been put together is because it's part of Chris's Tomgirl phase. I don't really think Calling Out qualifies as a Saga in its own right, so, personally, I would argue against giving it its own section. I am assuming it was added to give a bit more volume to the Tomgirl Saga, but, now that we have more information on Chris's Tomgirl antics, we could replace Calling Out with something else.

*So, to link back to what we were talking about above, I guess maybe Catherine could go with Tomgirl - as Chris's first lesbian encounter. The eBay stuff could then go to a Facebook Saga because it marks a change in both Chris's personality, since he has become more withdrawn, and how he communicates, being far more paranoid and holding court only to a select few. Obviously, this withdrawal has also come about from Bob's death, and also why he is allegedly selling stuff on eBay because he claims to need the money more for him and Barb. So, here you can see a link between the change in Chris and ''why'' he has returned to making his artwork and selling stuff, but it also demonstrates a change in how trolling Chris has changed. Granted, he's still being trolled, but it's not as abrasive as it once was because it can only be done through eBay - again because Chris has cut off all contact.

*Anyway, if you see the links there that I'm thinking of, you'll understand why I want to merge the eBay Saga with Facebook, plus I don't really think enough happened for it to warrant a Saga in its own right, but I haven't seen the pages on the wiki to document it so I could be wrong on that point. Let me know how you see it and how you think Chris's recent shenanigans would be best documented. Once everyone has discussed it we will probably have a good idea of the most efficient way of categorizing his recent behavior into Sagas. Apologies for wall of text,[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 11:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*Really, though I can agree with your statement that Ebay Saga should be merged with Facebook Saga, (since there were many miscellaneous Facebook posts important to Chrisdom and Christory, the two sometimes connect with each other via Chris, and the 'ebay saga' only contains 2 fiascos that were really funny). Catherine should probably be its own saga, in my opinion, due to that stuff being related directly to a new sweetheart, but I could understand why you want it to be included as a "Tomgirl Saga, Part 2" sort of thing. On the other hand, Calling Out really has a enough content in relation to it, to be a saga, but is too big simply to be left as not a part of any saga. Since it was cut short by Bob's death, it should be considered its own saga.

In summary, I believe we should merge Facebook and Ebay Sagas, maybe merge Tomgirl and Catherine, but decouple Calling out from Tomgirl. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 21:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

== The Boxing Day Saga ==

Should there be a separate saga for SONIC'S ARMS ARE NOT FREAKING BLUE!!!
I know that the saga is older than what I will now call the "Boxing Day GameStop Spritzing", but it has a nice, poetic ring to it.
--Troll-chan Sonichu, 05/03/2015

No, That's Sonic Boom Saga.
--Fredinno

== Should the Tom Girl Saga end? ==

Since Chris has stated on facebook that she is no longer a male she is a transwoman, and a female, should the Tom Girl Saga come to a close? .--[[User:Sinistersnare]] 14:13, 7 March 2015 (PDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis worthy of a Saga? ==

chris has been begging for money for a while now, and with the mortgage of around $100,000 that barbara has to pay, i doubt it will end anytime soon.
should it be made its' own unique saga? --Kettleonwater 8th September 2016 10:46am

I think so. Chris may have begged in the past for sex and his PSN account, but I am seeing a pattern recently of him begging for money. The Financhu Crisis Saga -galxylax 13 September 2016 20:06 PST

== Just throwing it out there ==

I feel the next soon starting saga will almost undoubtedly be either The Trump Saga, or the Partyvan saga; since many have been reporting his archived death threats. --[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 22:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say now. On one hand, the anti-Trump vitriol has reached levels of hatefulness on par with classic Chris's anti-gay agenda, and Chris's return to issuing death threats suggests that he's taken quite an exception to Trump's election. On the other hand, Chris is so lazy that unless the death threats/hate rhetoric become a regular thing (a la Financhu Crisis) or he takes overt actions to advance his agenda (a la Sonic Boom Protests), the whole issue may blow over after Trump takes office. There's been an issue in the past with Christorians jumping the gun on declaring new sagas. Sometimes they've called them right, other times it's turned out to be nothing. Also, the fact that so many of Chris's death threats have already been reported, publicly exposed, and even tweeted straight to Trump's Twitter with no retaliatory action taken makes it doubtful that there will be a party van saga.--[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 23:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree with Ujirat here. Wait and see before declaring the Pmurt Saga. This has the possibility to explode into one of the most interesting sagas since the golden age, but right now, there's really nothing of interest that occurred since Eid, Pmurt, Eid and Feelings of the election results. The fumes are there, all we need is a spark.

Maybe if Sonichu restarts, he'll include Trump as a villain and Clinton as a Christ like figure? I don't know. All we can do is wait and see (and prepare the popcorn).

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Edits to Megan and Game Place Sagas ==

Revised the Megan saga because it was described as the "first and longest" of the sagas when the Game Place saga ran a good six years longer than Megan's did. In the interest of the edit not being completely subtractive, the "longest saga" superlative was rewritten in the Game Place saga where it would be accurate. I suppose there's room for debate on it being the longest, though, since there is no exact date known as to when Chris started patronizing the Place, so it can easily be undone in that case. --[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 01:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Update to 2017 ==

It's been roughly a year since the last image was added. I'm working on an extension to the current timeline all the way to 2017, adding in the rest of the Selling out Saga, and adding in the Financhu Crisis. I was wondering if I should add in the Pmurt Saga, as some of you have dubbed it, or if there's anything else you all could think of to include it onto the list. You all have around three days before I upload the finished image.
[[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 02:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't, as the Pmurt Saga is not yet official (and most people are opposed to it anyway; see the "Just throwing it out there" section above)

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems fair. Then I'll just add the rest of the Selling out Saga, and the Financhu Crisis. [[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 03:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Doopie saga ==

If not much else happens with the saga by, say, the end of the year, should it be kept up?
{{Unsigned|Hurtful Truth Level}}
*Probably not. This definitely has potential, but there's the possibility it won't go anywhere like the Jeff, Johan, and Terra Strong debacles. A couple of videos by Chris or an escalation of his discourse with Doopie would solidify this as a saga to me. Otherwise, this wouldn't really be worth mentioning on this article. --[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 20:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
* Yeah, nah, sagas can't really be named until after the fact. I'm removing the doopie section until something funny happens. [[User:Canine|Canine]] ([[User talk:Canine|talk]]) 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
* Recently, Doopie has been becoming subject to trolling mainly from interacting with Chris. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

== Jessica saga? ==

Should Jessica Quinn be a saga?

I think it should be listed, as it's separate enough from the Doopie saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ladyfriend Managers saga ==

There should be a saga entry for the trolling from 2015-2016, which included characters like [[Jeff/Francine]], [[Sam and Ellen]] and [[Johan]]. Chris let it slip that he thought he had a manager at least twice - [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/December_2015_Facebook_Posts in December 2015 on Facebook] and again in July 2016 [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Announcement_20160709|in a video]. Given the timeframe, they were probably behind that content. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

*Reverted an edit which removed the Lady Managers for being too minor of a saga. I disagree - they influenced Chris for a while. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Vanessa Saga ==

Is the Vanessa Saga really a "Saga?" it's just some random troll who chatted Chris a few times via AIM. It doesn't seem like a noticeable chapter in Chris' life to be a saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

==2nd Exile Saga==

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the 2nd CWC exile. I think it should be added. [[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

== Timeline ==

Somebody needs to update the Timeline, that thing hasn't been updated since the Doopie Saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

== Idea Guy ==

It's too soon to declare the idea guy saga over, we should probably wait say a month or so to see if Chris responds to the doxxing fiasco or if he's still under his control.

Does the Idea Guy saga really need to be extended to April? Wise has nothing to do with any of Chris' current shenanigans, and [[Dick Licker; that is I]] [https://kiwifarms.net/members/shadow-resident.23381/ was apparently natural according to Shadow Resident]. Either way, Wise doesn't have any place in recent Chris content. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

*I do have plans to rename the saga to the "Coercion" saga, or something similar, since lately, a lot of what Wise did has pretty much influenced a lot of people to continue fucking up Chris' already messed up psyche. In a sense, it does seem like somewhat of a continuation of the saga in question, we'll just see what happens for the rest of the month. For now, I've decided to rollback all of the edits I've made on the saga itself. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]

== Explain the 'Lady Managers' and Pmurt Sagas ==
I get what in Chris's life they refer to, but I'm not sure whether they should count as sagas, and given that no one has filled in their sections on the page, I don't think I'm alone.

From what I understand the 'Lady Managers Saga' seems to be defined as a combination of Chris's interactions with Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen, and the "lady managers" themselves - but none of these events seem connected, and Chris never mentioned the lady managers in relation to either of the troll encounters. Do we know exactly what influence they had on him?

Calling Chris's comments on Trump a saga feels like a stretch; all they really illustrate is that Chris fairly mainstream political views, but behaves like a child when he doesn't get his way. Chris has made more political content since 2016, but the state of national politics has had no real impact on his life and he's never really acted on his anti-Trump hysteria. If he had written a bunch of left-wing diatribes into Sonichu or stayed home from Bronycon to bash the fash back in Charlottesville, I could understand, but he hasn't, so making a big deal out of it just feels like pro-Trump schadenfreude. While Chris's recent political views are fair game, they're already covered on the [[Chris and politics]] page.

:Writing about the Lady Managers is tricky because they never released their info. We know they were active from December 2015 to July 2016, since Chris let slip at those times that he thought he had managers. The characters they came up have a common theme revolving around mocking or getting Chris to talk about his tomgirl lifestyle - Jeff/Francine was a parody of him and ADF, Sam and Ellen got him to talk about his frozen semen collection and fuck another blow-up doll on camera by framing it as a sex audition for who would get to impregnate them.

:Chris took his hatred against Pmurt to a comical extreme. He wrecked toys as effigies on video, hanged Lego Trump and Pence, and made the death threat. I think it merits a saga because Chris was obsessed with him for a few months and the content was funny. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Merging Idea Guy and Magi-Cryzel sagas ==

[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-590#post-3373402 Evidence has surfaced] which indicates that Josh Wise was responsible for both Idea Guy and the stuff that happened during Magi-Cryzel. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

== Megan ==

I think the Megan saga ended in 2008, when she cut off contact with him. Chris may have raged about her / gotten nostalgic for her years later, but those are more of follow-ups rather than part of the core saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== Null has done nothing ==

Given Chris' recent insane ramblings the consensus on KF seems to be that Idea Guy is back yet again. If Null was still being Chris' bodyguard wouldn't he have stopped this? He got Chris to forward all emails and texts so Josh or that Kentucky guy should have been spotted immediately identified by Null. He's been mum on this for a while too, he hasn't doxed a ween in ages. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

:I never considered the "Guard Dog" saga to be true saga anyways. Also, we have yet to confirm his recent antics to be the acts of the Idea Guys. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

:Null isn't the only bodyguard. The Captain seems to be the one who's talking with Chris the most right now. And like Larry said, it's not confirmed who the new trolls are, whether they're the original Idea Guys or someone else. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

::Though it is an ongoing saga, so if you want to include it, I'd suggest a new entry, "Magi-Chan saga", since the troll is posing as Magi-Chan. If it turns out to have been the original Idea Guys, we can merge it like how we did the Cryzel saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

== Rewrite Dimensional Merge to focus on Teen Troon Squad ==

On other wiki pages, we have entries referring to both "Dimensional Merge" and "Teen Troon Squad," which refer to the same overall chain of events.

But the Merge is more of a subsection of [[Teen Troon Squad]], since it's their idea. And in addition to the Merge, the Squad has also been releasing Idea Guy videos and their own screencaps of convos with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

== Sagas prior to the Megan Saga ==

Since the Megan saga began prior to Chris's discovery, shouldn't we add high school and college as sagas? They were both important times in Christory, and since so many of his early antics happened at [[PVCC]] (i.e., the [[sign]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], etc.), his college days should definitely be a saga. High school too, since that's where he created Sonichu and met his gal pals. Should I go ahead and add high school and college as sagas? [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 22:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

:Based on the current definition of a saga:'an on-going trolling effort or other similar series of events that produces considerable drama over a period of time.', I do not think a high school saga would be appropriate. I do think that you could make a stronger case for a PVCC/Mary Lee Walsh saga since there was much more drama involved and the significant ways Mary Lee Walsh and Chris' time at college would influence his future life. Chris' college years are also the begining of the first online discussion of Chris, so I think a college saga would be important. [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

== Potential MKRNightvee saga ==

Due to Chris more closely and more frequently associating with Meghan Ringo I think that there should be a saga dedicated to her. I think at this point MKR has been outed as a troll and Chris is convinced of her legitimacy. [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454 Thread on MKR's manipulative ways.] - [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:Too soon to call right now. So far, she's only had some set-up done. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

== Chris' twitter lockdown ==

Would you consider his recent twitter actions as a potential 3rd Exile? [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

==Timeline Update==

Since the timeline graphic was last updated there have been sagas created that fall outside the 2005-2018 dates on the timeline graphic. Should I update the timeline graphic with all of the new sagas? [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

== Soft Exile naming issue ==

The way this saga is centered around the exile, it could continue indefinitely if Chris keeps his new account protected. It might be good to refocus this to be about Chris freaking out over the blocking bronies instead - he just tweeted that he's done with the blocking drama, so assuming that holds true, then 22 February would be the end of this saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

:Looks like he's not over it quite yet https://i.imgur.com/QqJdGUl.png [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 07:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

== Reinstate the Merge saga? ==

Chris is still mentioning the merge stuff and it seems like the Teen Troon Squad were just Idea Guy wannabes. Plus the Troon squad is no longer influencing him now.
[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

*I too like this idea. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== Classifying some sagas as eras ==

From a discussion on the Tomgirl Saga talk page, we should reclassify some items on the Saga list as eras instead. An era could be defined as a set of events which could go on indefinitely, as opposed to a saga which is a story that eventually wraps up or fizzles out, and be filed under the same column as the Exile sections. Transgender (renaming Tomgirl), Financhu Crisis, Business, Dimensional Merge, and Soft Exile could classify as that. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure you have thought long and hard about this, but the exiles are already confusing to read after getting through the non-linear list of sagas. Further confusion comes from "Inter Exile Sagas" which are like Star Wars spinoff movies. I don't get it. The timeline graphic is long, and there is overall a lot to wade through. It would be nice to know all of what has happened and is happening at a glance. As for the word "era", it's accurate but less exciting than "saga". [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== New Section: Pre-Christory ==

I was just thinking recently, shouldn't we have a section on Pre-Christory? I'd personally define it as the period before Chris became noticed by Encyclopedia Dramatica. Basically, it would be the period where Chris was still a goofball, but wasn't nearly as infamous. In that same section, I was thinking we should add a sub-section for his high school years, as that somewhat shaped who he is today, and it was a significant era in his life. It would also include the PVCC, Megan, and Adam Sagas.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

== I don't think the Jacob Saga is over ==

With Chris appointing him as the overseer of his Patreon, the Twitter dialogue about wanting to share a kiss, and Jacob planning an alleged Halloween visit suggests that their interactions are far from over. It does seem that the rift from September 28 to now just seems like a lull, and most Sagas had lulls and I know of many that were prematurely given an end date during said lulls. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

== New Categories for Sagas. ==

For the past decade, sagas were put into two groups, ones for sweethearts, others for trolls. Considering that the Love Quest is now over, I think we might need a category for Chris' finances or one for his enablers. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
: Sagas describe the content we get from Chris, and the Financhu Crisis, if looming in the background for quite a while, has certainly not been a running theme driving Chris's antics since 2017 or so. Begging is too related to unrelated, incidental expenses and satisfied by enablers too quickly for Chris to sustain output within a theme. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

== Enablers saga? ==

Should [[Enablers]] / [[Other enablers]] have a saga entry? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

*Why would we need to have an enablers saga? Doesn't the Dimensional Merge Saga kind of cover that? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 08:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

::I agree with PsychoNerd. Classic Chris had an epidemic of weens, and modern Chris has one of enablers. Neither wave of mimics deserves its own saga. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 08:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

== Thetan ==

Maybe [[Thetan]] could be added to the Saga list. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. I feel that Thetan's activities were too broad and far apart to qualify. I mean, she's essentially along the lines of [[Kim Wilson]]/[[Emily]], but she doesn't have a dedicated saga. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 18:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::I'm not sure about Thetan's activities being too broad - those primarily revolved around posing as ex-classmates in 2013/14. She also did other things like impersonate the firefighter or be involved with the Catherine saga though those don't seem as significant as the classmate stuff. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::I see what you are going for in the sense of Thetan posing as Chris's former classmates, but I still feel that making an entire saga around her is unnecessary. Maybe something along the lines of a "Manchester High Reunion Saga" would be a better option. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 19:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Incest Saga ==

Continuing [[:Template talk:Incest|from this talk page]], on second thought maybe we should split "Incest" to a sub-Saga called "Incest Leak Drama"? Leak Drama can house the tangential drama surrounding Bella/the Suitress/The WCT. Because those three weren't involved with the Incest itself so to label them as being part of the "incest" saga on their pages is a bit misleading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:I feel like the "Incest Saga" was always primarily about both the Incest itself, and partly the drama that surrounds it. Even though Bella and the Suitress weren't directly connected to him fucking his mom, I still feel they played a very crucial role in the saga in that the former had essentially recorded Chris admitting to the act, and that the latter had leaked the parts of the call, which subsequently led to his arrest. I guess the stuff on WCT is probably better suited for the "Watchmen Saga"? Anything that's not directly related to Chris should not be summarized under there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::Yeah, Bella/the Suitress were what caused the Incest saga to end. I guess if we keep the incest saga intact and not split it, the part on the tangential drama could just be deleted - the paragraph about Bella's damage control (which is mentioned on her/the Suitress articles anyway). I agree with the point about The WCT because he was acting as a Watchman when he tried asking Bella for her side of the story and ended up getting manipulated into her sideshow drama which isn't really directly related to Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

==Third Exile==

Now that Chris has been transferred out of jail, should we consider renaming "Jail Saga" to the "Third Exile"? Because it doesn't seem we'll get that much out of the hospital. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

:Is he still technically incarcerated, just at the hospital instead of a jail? He might return to the jail later. Maybe wait until whatever happens in July to clarify his situation. Or rename it now and rename it again in July if needed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

::In that case, I guess we can keep the name. If he goes back to jail, we can just add the date in which he's brought back. I just don't really see a "Nuthouse Saga" anytime soon. If by July he's still in the nuthouse, I say we rename it. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

== Everfree Northwest ==

At the moment, all of the stuff regarding Everfree is considered part of the Watchmen saga. I can't help but think we should move it to the Jacob saga, as a majority of the concerns regarding that event was about Jacob showing up there in disguise, and was basically the whole reason Chris asked Bella and the Suitress to accompany him. Any objections to this? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Sounds fine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Nuthouse Saga Merge ==

Should we merge the nuthouse saga with the jail saga? Given it was such a short period of time, I feel like it's more accurate to describe it as an event of the jail saga rather than it's own listed period of time, as well as it being covered on the [[Jail Saga]] page already. [[User:SodaSpring|SodaSpring]] ([[User talk:SodaSpring|talk]]) 05:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

== Freedom Saga ==

The most recent saga in this page is entitled "Freedom Saga" which I named. The previous name for this saga was "CWC Was Here Saga" which I changed as I thought it was too long. There is currently no consensus on what the name of the saga that covers the 8 August 2023-Present should be so I choose "Freedom Saga" as an interregnum name. Does anyone have a better suggestion on what the name of this saga should be?
:Both "Freedom" and "Incognito" are too vague and could be the name of other sagas. There are other sagas which have longer names then "CWC Was Here" such as the "Nathaniel Greene" or "Leonard Bearstein" sagas. The saga icon is a reference to {{w|Kilroy was here}}, which I think fits well. Another saga name could be "Kilroy" saga, but I think that would be too confusing. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 13:45, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

== Offical Rename ==

I just held a poll on the Offical CWCki Discord Server for what name to choose for the current saga, these were the results.

CWC Was Here Saga - 1 Vote

Incognito saga - 1 Vote

Freedom Saga - 7 Votes

I think we have a very obvious favorite here, I propose an offical rename to the '''Freedom Saga'''. Stop changing it back to CWC Was Here Saga [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]], most people dislike the name. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 21:21, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

:I was unaware most people disliked it other than you and that other editor as when I messed up the previous saga name, everyone kicked off on reddit, which I did not see this time. I apologize. I think Incognito works the best, and it still with the saga icon. I will change it now. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 22:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

== Merge incognito and third exile saga ==

They really aren't too different. Incognito Saga still has loads of post-jail sightings that apparently aren't a part of that saga, and the page has an 'other sightings' part for no real reason. It should just be Third Exile saga with Chris becoming more active in the latter half of the saga. I think that would be a lot more simple. Also it should go from 27 March to 16 October, he seems to be actually returning now. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (EDT)

== Christmas Saga? ==

Over the past few days Chris has been talking about Chistmas on Twitter. He's predictably acting entitled and expecting his "fans" go shower him with gifts, he even hijacked Toys For Tots and made it about himself. Now this isn't new behavior out of Chris but I think this time is distinct because this is the first Christmas he'll have post jail and in his new position as Praetor's captive. I fully expect Chris to get more and more worked up about Christmas as it gets closer and he'll become more and more perfectionist. Those in the [[Unholy Tetrad]] will take notice, they always do, and given his Amazon wishlist tweet I fully expect weens to send a bunch of MLP G5 stuff to him. We don't need a crystal ball to see what happens next, Christmas will fall short of his expectations and he'll bitch about it be it on Youtube or Twitter. This has the potential to give us the first post-jail tard rage video.

We're in for a lulzy Christmas that I believe will be quite notable.

[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:01, 14 December 2023 (EST)

== Publicity Saga ==

I suggest creating a new saga, starting from January 4 and the Cary, NC sighting, Publicty Saga.
As a result of his past actions, Chris has gotten a lot of bad publicity, both because of his own actions, and a group of weens and enablers he has ecompassed over the many years, especially now, after the Second Coming. Chris is on the blacklist of many cons, was kicked out of Aniamte! Raleigh, and now seeks shelter in unlikely places, such as the Keffals livestream.
Flutter also seems to have left the scene as of January 13, as Chris was spotted alone near the airport that day.
So far, the current events are:

- January 4 -
sighting in Cary, NC, which made weens aware of the event

- January 5-6 -
Animate! Raleigh, Chris was not allowed on the second day due to reports to the staff

- January 7 -
Chris claims that he has had a good weekend, doesn't acknowledge the events at the con

- January 13 -
Lone sighting at a gas station (probably WaWa) in Henrico County, near the Richmond International Airport, probably returning after dropping off Flutter

A textwall ranting about CosmicKeyframe blocking him, start of bigger ween interactions over the next few following days

- January 14 -
Announcement of the Keffals livestream with him

- January 15 -
New video ranting about G5, con ban, blocking on Twitter ect

A bit of a Q&A on Twitter with weens

Keffals has a livestream in which, among other things, she states that the conversation with Chris will be pre recorded and heavily edited
[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 06:33, 16 January 2024 (EST)

:I see the potential, sounds good. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (EST)
:May be a bit early to declare a saga, should wait a bit to see if the pattern holds. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:04, 16 January 2024 (EST)

== New saga? ==

We lacked a Flutter saga, but as you still believe she might be a real deal and not want to be on there, fair. However, with Chris's absense from the internet (Over two weeks, all the content we get is pre recorded or by other parties), I think we might have entered either a soft exile due to Flutter, or another weird part of the Revelations Saga. I do not even wanna call it Revelations Saga anymore as all of the revelations have been done already. We've got nothing new going on right now. The whole Caden thing was a dead end. What do we do in this situation?

And PS: How do I make a single reference to the CWCki for multiple items? I kinda need it for the video games list article.[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:Should probably just wait until things become clearer. No need to rush with naming sagas. Currently seems to be a slow time for Christory. For the references you can do <nowiki><ref name=streampoll>[[February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll|From screenshots of his games shared by him on Twitter.]]</ref></nowiki> for the first item, then <nowiki><ref name=streampoll></ref></nowiki> for the rest. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:We already had a soft exile in 2019. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 21:44, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Revelations Saga over? ==

While it's probably too early to name a new saga, I feel that we're at a point now when we've learned the bulk of what we're going to about the Jail Saga. Because of that, I feel like it's a misnomer to say we're still in the Revelations Saga at this point. The GFM meetup and interview probably marked the end of whatever else we're going to learn outside of the inevitable years-long dripfeed. Should we officially declare the saga to have ended on March 18? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 06:39, 27 April 2024 (EDT)
:Praetor still hasn't released the Goddess Logs so there is still a lot more info about jail on the way. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 08:54, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

== The new saga (Third time's a charm) ==

Considering that we saw a large shift in Chris's behavious and online activity that became even more commercialised than before, with the new website, Minecraft lets plays and the Play Button in his possession, I suggest that we do finally make a new saga. Revelations is no longer, well, relevant, due to the fact that we now learn nothing new about Chris other than his long Twitter rants that are likely AI generated with some corrections from him. The Commercialised Saga/CWCLight Saga/Extortion Saga are all possible names. I feel like all that we're gonna get as of now is more Praetor produced content. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

:I dunno, this sounds like an extension of the existing Business and Praetor sagas. What extortion? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:35, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

::I agree that the Revelations Saga is almost definitely over with the flurry of recent events, but it's still too soon imo to determine what will contextualize the next saga. The recent trip puts the potential of a Flutter Saga back into the spotlight, but it's still too soon to declare anything. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:34, 4 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga ==

Ever since he's left jail, I think it's become clear that Chris is no longer financially struggling like he used to. Ignoring his multiple overseas vacations and the fact that he now lives on his own, Chris has had a steady passive income from his and Praetor's merchandise ever since he first went to jail. He's rarely begged for money since the first few months of the Jail Saga, and even when he's done so, it's been during streams and done in a largely normalized way. The panic and guilt-tripping present in the e-begging between 2016 and 2021 is a thing of the past. While much can be said about Caden's situation, and speculated about Barb's, I think it's become clear that Chris is essentially financially stable as of his arrest.

On another note, I think it's worth discussing whether it's time to elevate Praetor to a Meta-Saga. Chris has been involved with Caden and Praetor for nearly half a decade at this point, and especially since he's left jail, a majority of his presence online has been dictated by their manipulation, their financing, their contributions to Chris's content, or Chris's attempts to draw attention to their merchandise. We're at a point where a vast majority of Chris's videos from the past two years are tagged with the Praetor saga, and it's almost become redundant. It's clear that without their constant presence, Chris's output would be very different right now. It would be setting a new precedent since no individual troll or group has ever been elevated to Meta-Saga status before, but I think Praetor has been the first to posit an argument for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:27, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:I agree with both suggestions. When would you say that the Financhu Crisis ended? [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 09:05, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:Agree that Financhu Crisis is over for now. Maybe we should count [[debt]] cases for it, Chris had a garnishment case filed in March 2023 and it was tossed for "no funds" in April. If Praetor is put as a meta saga it'd be concurrent with the Business meta-saga... is there enough distinction between Praetor and Business? It seems to me that Praetor could also be added as a paragraph in Business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:22, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
::Agreed in regard to the debt; I'd say the Financhu Crisis ended on 26 April 2023 based on that info.

::I think the main difference between the Praetor and Business sagas is that the Business Saga intrinsically revolved around Chris's self-sustained business ventures, while the Praetor saga essentially sees Chris working under someone else for the first time in his life, aside from his brief stint at Wendy's. In effect, this means that the Business Saga was characterized by Chris's inability to run a business on his own. The entertainment came from the unique ways he failed to do so when he was given full creative and financial control. Meanwhile, the Praetor Saga is characterized by Chris's new role as an employee in someone else's business,, and seems to essentially revolve around him trying to keep his 'bosses' satisfied. The entertainment (however little there is) comes from the times Chris has slipped up and fucked them or himself over despite their clear attempts to idiot-proof him. They're similar on a surface level, but in practice, they've played out very distinctly from each other. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 21:21, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
:::That distinction makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2024 (EDT)

== Is this (finally) a saga? ==

I feel like I'm posting here a lot, but CWC's recent flood of support toward [[Kamala Harris]] on Twitter, and subsequent anger following [[Pmurt]]'s reelection, seems like the closest thing we've gotten to a cohesive saga since the Third Exile. He's done multiple videos/streams mentioning or focusing on it, and he's been posting and reposting about it at basically every opportunity. He literally made several custom yard signs and posted them illegally outside 14BC. In retrospect, now that it's winding down, it really does feel like it qualifies from my perspective. Should this be counted as a new saga, and if so, should it be codified as the Kamala Saga or the Second Pmurt Saga? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:26, 6 November 2024 (EST)

== Fashion Square Mall Saga ==
I don't know about you, but since the closing of this place, it dawned on me that it feels a little bit odd that we don't have a saga for FSM, especially since a number of notable events happened there before his permaban. For one, it was one of the first, and one of his most active [[attraction locations]], and it's also one of the first places where several of his practices of luring sweethearts had occurred, such as the Red String of Fate, as well as where he met a few gal-pals (Anna, Hannah, and Emily specifically). It was also a prominent location in his comics, where he'd try and exaggerate his experiences there, and also arguably where he began his [[Jerkops|distrust with authority figures]], since he got in trouble with the staff there many times. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:27, 22 February 2025 (EST)
:It's significant as a location, but I don't think it's enough for a Saga entry. PVCC shaped him more in comparison. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:11, 23 February 2025 (EST)

== Concerns about the Praetor Saga ==
For a while, I've been meaning to split the Praetor Saga apart, as I feel it's getting a bit bloated, and for the fact that Chris's involvement with Praetor pre-jail is fundamentally different from his involvement with it now. Pre-Jail, you had the Watchmen breathing down their necks, especially with the Taser stuff, and Post-Jail, there's a completely different dynamic between them and Chris, where they now seem to act as replacement guardians for him.

For now, what I plan on doing is separating all of the stuff having to do with Chris's [[Gate Crystal]] and the [[Taser]] from the rest of the saga, as I feel that's only tangentially related to Praetor itself, and had its own twists and turns in Christory, and making it its own saga, which I dub "'''The Gate Crystal Saga'''". [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 00:11, 7 March 2025 (EST)
:I agree it's a bit bloated. Would the taser stuff be kind of short for a saga? What would be the start-end dates? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:02, 7 March 2025 (EST)
:I don't think the start date should be May 2022. It cancels out too much of Praetor's history with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:31, 15 March 2025 (EDT)
::Maybe you're right, what do you suppose it should be then? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 07:44, 15 March 2025 (EDT)
::I think it should be September 2020 since that's when they started meeting with Chris. They've had a consistent history since. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:50, 16 March 2025 (EDT)
:::If we do that, do you propose we move it back to the "Rise N Fall" era, as well? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:29, 16 March 2025 (EDT)
::::We could do that, since it originated from that timeframe. By the way, what do you think of the proposal [[Talk:Saga#Is the Financhu Crisis over? And Praetor as a Meta-Saga|here]] to move Praetor to Meta-saga? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:11, 17 March 2025 (EDT)
:::::Honestly, that might actually be a better idea. Chris's time with Praetor is essentially the first real job he's had, and it has spanned over so many sagas by now (Crystalgate, Lainchu, Warhol, Jail, Third Exile, and Revelations). To declare Praetor as an ordinary saga would probably only complicate the timeline further, since everything that happened with regards to Praetor merely happened in other sagas. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 12:49, 17 March 2025 (EDT)

==What constitutes a Saga?==

Someone DM'd me asking about the Saga page. These are his questions:

{{quoteboxgray|I have actually been wondering. What makes something a saga? What is the criteria for something to be a saga? From what I understand for something to be a saga it'd have to revolve around a potential sweetheart or something/someone that is antagonistic to Chris or it is an exile. So why is Copitz a saga? Also what makes other events such as KwaiiSandbag's trolling for example not a saga?}}

My reply was, "My opinion is if there's something which generates a lot of content, it's marked as a saga, though what is a lot depends on editor."

Anyone have any thoughts on this? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:29, 16 March 2025 (EDT)

:I personally view a "saga" as being that, or leading to a significant change of some sort in Christory. Copitz would count because that was one of the things that made Chris more known in Internet circles. KawaiiSandbags just sort of happened, but Chris didn't really create much content, nor did it lead to any significant events. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:17, 16 March 2025 (EDT)
::Well Chris stopped pretending to be Sonichu, which is very significant to Chris. I think the definition could be "a period of events that happened revolving around a potential sweetheart, someone/something that affects Chris which leads to significant event(s) or change, or it is an exile." This definition includes every saga so far and excludes the stuff with Helena Fiorenza for example. However, this definition also includes KwaiiSandbag and Flutter as sagas. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 15:34, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
::: Honestly, I think I somewhat like this definition. Maybe we could also define these sagas off the the meta-sagas, which I think could satisfy your definition too (the stuff with potential sweethearts going under the Love Quest, for example). On an unrelated note too...yeah enough stuff has happened with regards to Flutter to make a saga about her, IMO, regardless of if we apply your definition or not. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 15:49, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
::I was thinking, if the key thing Kwaii did was bait Chris into ending the Sonichu RP, then why not consider him a part of the Roleplaying Saga instead of making a new saga for him? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:25, 8 April 2025 (EDT)
:::Probably the same reason Ivy isn't just a part of the Love Quest saga. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 18:05, 8 April 2025 (EDT)
:::: Either way, Chris was roleplaying as Sonichu for quite a while, so ANYONE convincing him to quit it is quite noteworthy, I would say. Plus, there were also the implications for what this meant regarding the bigger picture. Even with people like the Watchmen influencing the CWCSphere, people could still influence Chris in such a huge way. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:15, 8 April 2025 (EDT)

== Praetor as a Meta-Saga name ==
I think the employment saga is a bad name. The most accurate title would probably be Caden saga as he is the main person behind the Etsy shop/Praetor. Calling it the Praetor saga would also be acceptable but IDK if the group is calling themselves Praetor post-jail.
:Yeah, let's just keep it as "Praetor". I only changed it to "employment" on the basis of it being a meta-saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 23:24, 17 March 2025 (EDT)

== Watchmen as a Meta-saga ==
So, as some of you may know, I've expressed concerns about the Watchmen saga being "bloated", and proposed a few times to split it into smaller sagas. The sagas that did come out of that did turn out to flow somewhat evenly into the timeline, but I do realize I might have approached that issue all wrong.

From all I've worked on regarding the Lainchu and "Crystalgate" sagas, I think I've come to the conclusion that the problem isn't so much the saga is "bloated" as much as it is that there's a lot of stuff that went on with that group, with many instances of in-fighting, leadership changes, and the numerous people they went after, all of which caused a whole flurry of events, and had a notable effect on both the CWCsphere and Chris's online presence. Not to mention, we already have a template for [[:Template:WatchmenLeaks|all of the Watchmen leaks]], so it seems somewhat pointless to make a [[:Template:WatchmenSaga|separate one]] for the saga as it's defined here. Since Praetor became a Meta-saga for similar reasons, I propose we do the same with the Watchmen, since they undeniably made a huge impact on the story, but probably shouldn't be treated as just a regular saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17:23, 10 April 2025 (EDT)
:I just think it is a long running normal saga. I think Praetor was considered a meta-saga due to Chris's employment. Even then I'm unsure if Praetor should even be considered a meta-saga or not. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 18:09, 10 April 2025 (EDT)

== Why Not Just Simply Name the Everfree/Quickening Section "Fiona Saga"? ==

Most of the sagas are named after people anyways. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:55, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:Because that saga isn't just about Fiona. She was only a part of what that saga's about, the things that led up to the Incest Saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 20:56, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
::I'm looking at all the links on the saga and they all pertain to Fiona in some way. Even the Watchmen discourse. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:57, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::Not really...you have the Funding (which is there because it's what led to Null calling the cops on Chris), which was mostly Null, and the Knights of CWC was stuff having to do with Chris leaving The Place sever and the planned protection against Jacob Sockness, among other things, which was a pretty big deal when it happened. The saga as a whole is closer to say "the Bella/Fiona" saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:00, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
::::I don't think either Fiona or Bella are notable enough to have Sagas named for them. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:08, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::::I don't either, I was just trying to give a better idea on what that saga's scope was. The saga's not about either just Bella or Fiona, as they were both just players to something bigger. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:28, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
:::::I was in the middle of suggesting either "Bella and Fiona Saga" or "Love Triangle Saga" based on what Bella said when you replied. I guess "Love Triangle Saga" it is? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 21:12, 11 April 2025 (EDT)
::::I think "Quickening" sounds a bit too corny. Go back to "Everfree Saga" I don't think anyone had a problem with that or go with "Love Triangle Saga" I'm fine with that too. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 21:50, 11 April 2025 (EDT)

== Revelations Saga ==

I'm sure this "saga", which just groups together all of the stuff since Chris's return to the Internet, had a purpose at some point, especially when it seemed that we weren't going to get anything new from Chris any time soon, but at this point...I just don't seen any reason to still have this. At this rate, things are essentially back to normal as far as Chris is concerned, he's back to posting on social media and making livestreams regularly again, not too different from the "Rise N Fall era", so to me, just grouping all of that together into a "saga", which just contains loosely related events, doesn't seem that practical.

Another user suggested we maybe just make all of the stuff surrounding Flutter a saga, too, which I do think is reasonable since Chris has produced enough content and enough prominent events around her had occurred to warrant it, so maybe the best course of action is to just put that there instead.[[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:01, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
: I think making a combined Flutter/Finland saga would be good. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 13:46, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
:: I think we might as well combine that with Flutter, TBH, since most of the trips we've seen thus far involved Flutter too. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:47, 12 April 2025 (EDT)
:::Wouldn't it make more sense to put the start date to the Flutter Saga at Early 2022 when she first contacted Chris? (some time between April and July) [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 14:43, 13 April 2025 (EDT)
::::It's too early for a Flutter saga, there's very little info. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:45, 14 April 2025 (EDT)

== Is there a new Transformers Related Saga? ==

I know it is boring, but there is so much content on it lately. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 23:11, 5 August 2025 (EDT)

:It's best to be lumped into whatever saga praetor is in. Xela actually proved on the farms that these are pre-recorded to serve as filler content while Chris is in Finland, meaning Caden is curating this content. Not distinct enough to be a saga. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:13, 5 August 2025 (EDT)

::I think Chris is just scheduling out those videos. Plus, Chris has done more than just the videos, like blog entries, social media posts, retardedly putting the toys in stores pretending they have merged over here, etc. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 23:18, 5 August 2025 (EDT)

== Twilight Saga ==

I dunno, is this really needed? The events are basically orbiter drama or random stuff/plans happening in the background. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:16, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
:My original intent with that was just to group the stuff with the Knights of CWC somewhere, since a lot of that did lead up to the incest leaks. It just so happened that before that time, a lot of stuff was happening all at once, and a lot of it also happened to overlap with the Knights drama. The saga itself is based on what Anaxis calls the "Twilight of Christory" in his Manifesto. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 00:22, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
::I'm honestly unsure of what all this saga is supposed to be about.[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 00:37, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
:::Again my original intent was to try and got the Knights stuff somewhere and the events that overlapped with it, since they didn't really fit in any other saga. I felt doing this would make the timeline a bit more comprehensive, as it is important to at least know how the calls got leaked. I'm all for a compromise to deal with the concern of the saga not having a clear overarching theme, even if it means we might need to remove the safa. All I care about is making sure we fit the buildup to those leaks somewhere. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:51, 26 August 2025 (EDT)
::::I would just fold that content into other saga entries, like one of the Watchmen-related ones or the Incest saga. Also, a concern I see with Twilight saga is there's no clear person leading it. Bella and Fiona represent it, but neither of them are significant enough for their own saga. And some content has nothing to do with them, like the Watchmen's fallout. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:17, 3 September 2025 (EDT)
:::::I've thought about this, and honestly, the stuff with the Knights server is in a peculiar position, since it has overlapped with so many sagas and important events. For one, it includes the downfall of the Watchmen group and its splintering into the Knights, the meta-drama involving the Toxic Trio and Bella from the Crystalgate Saga, the G5 drama surrounding Chris, and we cannot forget about the incest leaks. Strangely, not making this a separate saga feels like leaving a massive void in the narrative since so many unrelated things have overlapped all at once at the same time. To me, the Twilight Saga kind of feels like the Revelations saga in that same regard. Perhaps the best way to define the Twilight Saga is where all of the loose ends of these seemingly unrelated sagas are tied together, leading to the Incest Saga. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:43, 25 October 2025 (EDT)
::::::Honestly, I am not so sure Revelations is even a defined saga, the only reason I didn't say anything is because its about current events and we could look back at it later. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 11:08, 25 October 2025 (EDT)
:When I edited the glossary, I thought this is just orbiter stuff. The idea seems to have come from the Lainchu Manifesto. Which in context is just how orbiters at the time experienced the revelation of the incest saga. I looked at the article "Twilight of Christory" to be sure. But then I realized something, the only reason it doesn't make sense is there is no focus. But I noticed an actual saga in there that could replace this: "The Knights Saga". I suggest to move anything else into their respective sagas. And keep the Knights of CWC stuff. This would give more of a focus to the saga. That's what I think. By the way the person leading this saga would be The WCT. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 11:20, 30 October 2025 (EDT)

== Splitting Praetor Saga ==
I am think that since Praetor is not confirmed to exist beyond Caden anymore and that the group hasn't referred to themselves as Praetor for a while that the Praetor saga should be split into Praetor saga "2020-2021" and Caden saga "2022-Present" and that Praetor should be removed from the meta-saga section. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 11:20, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:It is confirmed Praetor LLC still exists and that there are more people involved than just Caden. I don't know where you got this information, but it is inaccurate. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 12:42, 11 January 2026 (EST)
::Praetor LLC is no longer an active LLC and there are not confirmed to be more people than Caden. IDK if you're thinking of Thomas Cecil (registered agent of the company registered to the Big Island House) but he is not confirmed to be still working with Caden. Also on Thomas's Facebook he claimed to be homeless for a while which would make no sense if he knew that Caden had a house for him to live in. What is your source that Praetor LLC still exists and there are more people involved than just Caden? [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 13:19, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::Re-read the praetor page.[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 13:23, 11 January 2026 (EST)
::::From [[Praetor#Membership]] {{quote| While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there were at least three other members as of late 2020, along with several additional collaborators. The four core members were all students at Goochland High School in Goochland, Virginia. Owen left the group sometime prior to June 2021, and while there's no conclusive evidence on Annabel leaving, she had a 10 month break in making content following 25 December 2023, after which she had made her own website to sell her content on. There is no indication that Cabell remained involved with Praetor after Chris's arrest for incest in August 2021, '''making Caden the only confirmed remaining member.''' It's very possible, however, that he has since hired more members to produce art, as many of the products made since aren't total shite.}} [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 13:46, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::::He's the only member we know of, but there are more members. That line needs tweaked a bit. '''briefly spoke with Praetor, referring to them as a "solid group of people" and "a team that runs all the financials,"''' [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 14:32, 11 January 2026 (EST)
::::::GFM is not a reliable source. CWC himself flip flops between referring to a singular manager and a group of people. CWC has never mentioned any members of Praetor except Caden on stream or video. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 15:09, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::::::Caden owns Praetor. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:24, 11 January 2026 (EST)
:::Is there a video editor and someone making the non-Chris made medallions around? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:34, 12 January 2026 (EST)
::::We don't have evidence these aren't just Caden. From his Feb 2025 speeding ticket we know that he has Virginia address listed as the Big Island House and he's apparently produced videos before:https://x.com/glndschools/status/1179777349564456960?s=20. He could create and ship the medallions and edit CWC's videos by himself. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 22:46, 12 January 2026 (EST)
:::::I think it is better to keep it as it is now. We simply don't have enough information and Caden alone or not, Praetor is still active. That is my thoughts for now. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 22:56, 12 January 2026 (EST)

== It Appears This Is a New Saga ==

I think "Redemption Saga" fits perfectly. What do others think? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 22:51, 18 February 2026 (EST)
:Some people in CWCki Server were also talking about wanting that. I dunno about it, I'm not sure there's enough distinction. I also think there are too many sagas in general. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:15, 18 February 2026 (EST)
::I don't think there is enough sagas. I don't know if Revelations is even a saga. It is hard to tell what is revelations and what is not. Also I think all of the transformers shit throughout 2024-2025 and January, I think that is a saga. I think Flutter is a saga. And I think we are in a new Redemption Saga.[[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2026 (EST)
:::Usually something like Chris's recent "redemption arc" is part of some larger saga. I'm kind of on the verge of just grouping it with the stuff having to do with Mewgenics, since the revived controversy over Chris's incest charges due to his role in the game are what got Chris into this in the first place. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17:52, 19 February 2026 (EST)

== Guard Dogs/Null/Praetor ==

What should be the end date for the Guard Dogs? Also is it odd that Chris's videos are tagged as Praetor saga even if they don't appear to have had direct influence? Even though Null and Praetor had similar roles to Chris, there's no Null saga for [[The Create Unknown]] or [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW]] where Null's influence was more apparent. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:14, 23 March 2026 (EDT)
:Yeah I kind of agree with the Praetor thing. Their influence really is only in the description of most videos. [[Editing CC-82 Review Video]], [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], and others actually involves Praetor though. Don't know what to put for the end date of the Guard Dogs Saga. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 16:52, 23 March 2026 (EDT)
::Agree about the few videos that do show their involvement. Should we start removing their saga icon from the rest? As for the Guard Dogs, the last major thing done was the doxxing of Lukas from 25 December 2018. But Chris referenced the Guard Dogs group in his January 2019 [[Marvin DMs]], and The Captain was still occasionally checking in by April. So either 25 December 2018 as the last influential thing or 3 April 2019 as the group was fizzling out. Marvin and Null each were still doing things after that point, but I don't think as a group. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:46, 23 March 2026 (EDT)
::I dunno, should we even keep the Guard Dogs saga or phase it out and put them in as a mention in the Idea Guys and Lukas sagas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:30, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
:::Now that I think about it, maybe it isn't a saga... I know originally it wasn't put there as a saga, it was just put there to fill in the gap between The Idea Guys and the TTS. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 04:50, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
::::Guard Dogs was always kind of vaguely defined. The main thing I'm unsure about is whether putting the Guard Dogs into Idea Guys/Lukas will overcrowd those and make it look as if Guard Dogs people were actively participating in those sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:02, 29 March 2026 (EDT)

== Ciel Saga/Liquid Blue Heart Saga? ==

I'm guessing this is a new saga? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:24, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
:Now that I think about it, it is more like Liquid Blue Heart GOBoom Saga. Lol. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 20:03, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
::Do we have a category for this sort of thing? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:02, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
:::Maybe it is a bit early right now, but it is more in the vein of a campaign type saga(Like Sonic Boom Saga, GOPony Saga, TF2 Analysis Saga, Pmurt Saga, Stackhouse Saga) if that is what you are asking. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 07:45, 30 March 2026 (EDT)

== Recruitment Saga ==

I'd like to propose a "Recruitment Saga" running from [[March 2026]] to present. At the tail end of March, Chris hired [[Philip Paymo]] as a moderator, which broke a long streak of mistrusting enablers starting in late 2024. Since that time, he's made several efforts to recruit other collaborators; he's not-so-subtly shouted out artists on social media, solicited animators during livestreams, asked for help from costume designers multiple times, and asked for help 3D printing both on social media and during [[CLog 07282026 - YouTube Channel Announcements and Updates]]. He's also since brought on Philip for other projects, along with other editors, and he's declared that he'll no longer be using AI. We've also seen evidence that other minor enablers have been in contact with him in recent months, and he went as far as to remove Jesus from his name for "branding". This seems to be a broader effort from Chris to put together a team, and it's lasted a while by now with no signs of stopping. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:50, 17 October 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Other enablers

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==Title and Scope==
I think this page is a very good idea but I'd suggest expanding it to everyone [[Weens|(important)]] who enables Chris's delusions for simplicity sake. For the idea guys I'd recommend doing a brief write up of them and emphasizing how they led the way for this type of behavior. I think Jacob Sockness may also fit under this, but as he genuinely believes in Chris's bullshit I'm not sure (perhpas there's room for an article on these types of people some time in the future (The Cult of CWC), only time will tell). As for the title, I think "Enablers of Chris's Delusions" would work be better. Beyond this, I feel the distinction between an enabler and a ween should be made clear. [[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 09:13, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:I think expanding the article's scope would pose an issue in that it would bury the enablers that don't already have their own articles. I intended it in the same vein as [[Misc E-mails]] or [[Other documents]], for subjects that don't have enough for their own articles. I also think linking to the other enablers would be redundant since the Delusions and enablers template does so already. Agreed on the ween comparison; I'll add in a line on it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:48, 23 November 2019 (UTC)

:On second thought, maybe it would be good to have an [[Enabler]] article. Could mention both [[List of Chris's financial enablers]] and his fantasy enablers. One thing I'm unsure of is whether the fantasy ones count as enablers. The definition of enabler is "a person who encourages or enables negative or self-destructive behavior in another," which fits considering they're pushing a mentally ill man's delusions, but on the other hand, examples such as https://www.healthline.com/health/enabler don't fit the situation. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:52, 29 November 2019 (UTC)

:I think for the Enabler article, it should be set up the same way as the [[White Knights]], [[A-log]], and [[Ween]] articles, in that it describes what they are, gives examples, explains possible motivations for enabling Chris, and gives reasons advising against the act.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 09:08, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
==Richard Righteous==
An prolific enabler by the name of Richard Righteous has been active since around 2018. Strangely there are no reference to him, just putting it out there. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:04, 27 December 2019 (UTC)

: What do we know about him? He designed the logo for Chris's shop and tried to enable his fantasies with some Kamen Rider toy, but I'm not sure what else there is. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:48, 28 December 2019 (UTC)

::Considering the Richard now has a TSSSF pack dedicated to him, there should definitely be a subsection on him. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 19:58, 21 March 2020 (UTC)

== Claire Garcia ==

How does she fit in the Financial section? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:04, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
::To be honest, I too had doubts when I classified her a financial enabler. I just know that she is definitely not a fantasy enabler. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 14:40, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

== William Waterman ==

I think William is important enough to warrant his own page. He got Chris to make an entire episode of Sonichu, frequently talked to him for like years, was the first person Chris told about wanting to use she/her pronouns, supported Chris financially quite a bit, and got Chris to make multiple videos. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 03:38, 9 November 2023 (EST)

== PhilipPaymo ==

The guy commissioned at least 4 Cameos. The comment from themarchivist2 on the Kiwi Farms makes me think there might be more to this guy. I also saw his superchats when looking at the Mewgenics stream live chat logs. Maybe we should at least keep an eye on him. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 14:31, 29 March 2026 (EDT)
:Just putting this here for the sake of posterity. There is an extremely high chance Philip Paymo is the same person that faked the Auli call. [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 11:43, 29 August 2026 (EDT)

== Should Philip have his own page? ==

He's already done more than most of the others here in a pretty short amount of time, and with the Cwcvilleguardian2009 info being uncovered, he's definitely more than just an enabler (it also seems unlikely that he's going away in the near future imo) [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 20:45, 12 September 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Other enablers

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Other enablers

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{{Protip|Petty enablers, whether financial or fantastic, should not get more than a paragraph or two, and should be squarely focused on their relation to Chris.}}
When the [[Idea Guys]] showed everyone in late [[2017]] that Chris is still just as [[naive]] as he was a decade earlier, he inspired many bored, childish, and mentally ill copycats. Chris's [[Chris and reality|deteriorating psyche]] has made him less amenable to being reached by such traditional methods as claiming to be a [[boyfriend-free girl]]; the Idea Guys had indeed caused Chris by [[March 2018]] to conclude the [[Love Quest]], blocking off this avenue outright. Instead, those who wish to prove themselves latter-day [[The Miscreants|Miscreants]] play along with Chris's more eccentric beliefs, including in [[Chris and religion#Delusions of godhood|his own divinity]]. A few such '''[[enablers]]''', such as [[Ben Saint]] and [[Jacob Sockness]], have left their indelible marks on the ''Sonichu'' series. Most have not. This page lists such petty [[enablers]] who have got [[TRUE and HONEST]] responses from Chris on social media or in chat rooms, yet have not provoked Chris into doing anything substantial.

==Fantasy==
===Eschcal===
[[File:CWCLivestream Fan, 12 Feb. 2020.png|thumb|200px|Eschcal tipping Chris $10 during a livestream.]]
'''Eschcal''' aka '''Whyt Foxx''' is a former enabler who discovered Chris in October 2019. She initially claimed to follow Chris to be a positive influence on him. Eschcal would later come into the spotlight when she donated $10 in his [[Live Reading of SNT Vs Sonichu, Part 2|live reading of ''SNT Vs Sonichu'']]. However shortly after the livestream, she would claim the relationship between the two would suddenly deteriorate, resulting in her being kicked out of his Discord group and knowing the true colors of Chris. She still occasionally orbits Chris's Twitter account but has reduced her enabling.<ref>https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr52os</ref>

===Multidimensional White Knights===
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[[File:BlockDM.png|350px|right|thumb|'Carrie' pleads for SonichuMerch to advocate to let her back into Chris's viewing box.]]
The '''Multidimensional White Knights''' (MWK) or '''Knights of C-197''' are a group of accounts, all associated with [[OCs|fictional characters]] from disparate children's programs, chief among them '''Carrie Krueger''' of ''[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1942683 The Amazing World of Gumball]'', originally created in [[February 2019]] and repurposed that summer in an idle attempt to mess with Chris as he was emerging from the [[Soft Exile]]. Throughout summer 2019, they would interact sporadically with Chris, getting occasional replies and likes but no Laughs Under Lucricities, being overshadowed by [[Sockness]]'s distended belly. No conclusive evidence identifying the puppetmaster behind these accounts exists.

During Chris's Twitter follower purge in [[July 2019]], Krueger was blocked from viewing Chris's account along with thousands of other perceived trolls, and the Knights were forced to use alternative accounts to reach him, though they were unblocked in October due to allegedly sending him a gift. Since then, the only one of the original ten Knights which Chris acknowledged as [[TRUE and HONEST]] was Ed Bighead of ''[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106115 Rocko's Modern Life]'', conflated with the [[Chris and religion|biblical]] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Darius-in-the-Bible.html Darius] and marketed as an ally against [[Ben Saint]] when he was trying to revise his comics that [[October 2019|October]].

[[File:156806320645546305.jpg|200px|right|thumb|The first Carrie photo that Chris fell for, it shows the Mooninites allegedly assassinating an offscreen OC.]]

Imitating the [[Idea Guys]]' love of the [[Operation BARBarossa|politically incorrect]], they also convinced Chris that [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/moon-man Mac Tonight] and former South African president [https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/southern-african-history-biographies/pieter-willem-botha Botha] were in league with Sockness's demons. They also convinced him that Austria-Hungary reformed and it was being led by Spongebob Squarepants who had changed his name to Amadeus and that the Ottoman Empire also reformed with a random Paper Mario character serving as Sultan. This was done by sharing a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BD-ba-aXQo Local 58 video] with Chris claiming that the events of the video were the work of Sockness's demons and Chris believed it.

Most recently they got <strike>Chris</strike> [[Spirit possession#Sonichu|Sonichu]] to acknowledge that the setting for [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Loud_House The Loud House] exists in C-197 during a Twitter thread in [[October 2020]].

While the Knights keep trying to ignite conflicts about cartoon characters and random historical figures on [[Discord]] and involve Chris in them, they have got occasional lukewarm responses from Chris; they have moderately influenced his view on C-197 itself but his vision of the [[Dimensional Merge]] itself remains unaffected.

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===Noah===
'''Noah''' is a YouTuber and Chris [[ween]]/fan. He is known for snatching a drawing Chris had left at the abandoned [[Goodwill Offering and Kindest Wishes|DeJarnette Center]], as well as deceiving a musician to appear alongside Chris on his [[Chris Chan & Max Mandu LIVE / Leftovers Tonight|short-lived interview series]]. In [[April 2019]], he, along with his girlfriend, took Chris out for lunch at Citizen Burger Bar, located in [[Charlottesville]]. His girlfriend later described the encounter in a Reddit post.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/hvefmv/signed_sonichu_comic_book/</ref>

{{quotebox|Gotta go into the repressed memories for this one. I’m going to refer to Chris as “they/them/their” bc I honestly don’t know what they identify as anymore. Basically my ex was really into following their story and found their address, which happened to be close-ish to where we lived. He contacted them and said we’d take them to lunch, which of course they chose a not-so-cheap option and made sure he would pay for it. Then we drove my car to pick them up, being greeted by the lovely sound of [[Clover and Snoopy|hound/beagle barks]]. They came out donning rainbow [[hair]], about 12 rings, a backpack, a jean skirt, and of course the [[Medallion|infamous Sonichu necklace]]. The ride to lunch was an absolute clusterfuck. They didn’t shut up, sang along to the radio, talked about how the [[Dimensional Merge|cartoon world would soon merge with our world]], how they [[Messiah complex|could talk to the dead]], and so on. I honestly didn’t think people like that really existed. Once we got to the restaurant, they pulled out a [[Idea Book Case|duct tape wallet]] to be able to play [[Pokemon GO|Pokémon go]] on two phones at once, like any sane person. They talked about everything so loudly I was mortified. Somehow the conversation ended up with them putting the Sonichu necklace on me and asking if I could “feel the power” (all I felt was dread). There’s a photo in existence of this great moment, but unfortunately it’s on my ex’s phone and I do not plan on ever speaking to him again, especially to ask for that photo. The ride back was an absolute disaster too, basically more ranting about crazy shit. It ended with them giving us [[business card]]s and saying we should hang out again, to which I obviously never took that offer up.}}

When a fan asked if Chris had kissed her, she replied:

{{quotebox|Hahah no thank god- just a cringey hug. Might have had to do with the fact someone else was there though, and I’m about 15 years younger. Thought I’m not sure that would stop them.}}

Chris also gifted a copy of his [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]] comic.

===Richard Righteous===
'''Richard Bale''', known by his online handle '''Richard Righteous''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/post-7145188</ref> is a person who designed merch and the logo for [[CWCville Shopping]]. He is the central theme of a TSSSF expansion pack Chris made titled ''[[A Righteous Rising]]''.

Active since 31 July 2018, Righteous keeps his face anonymous, wearing a {{w|Michael Myers (Halloween)|Michael Myers}} facemask with makeup (blue lids, pink cheeks, and red lips) and blonde hair on it.

<center><gallery>
File:R. Righteous.jpg|Righteous is often seen wearing a Michael Myers facemask when in public and/or on social media.
File:Richard Bale.png|Bale without the mask. Note the [[Creepy stare|familiar look in his eyes]] and the [[obesity|double chin]].
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===ViviChu===

[[File:Vivichu sonichu-min.jpg|thumb|200px|ViviChu's [[OC]], which Chris made in [[TSSSF]] form.]]

'''ViviChu''' is an enabler who appeared on Twitter and Discord in [[2018]]. She ran a Discord server which Chris joined in September 2018.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/9-2018-chris-joins-a-fans-discord.47701/</ref>



==Financial==
{{See also|Enablers#Financial enablers}}
{{Protip|Most financial enablers (those who ''just'' give him money) need only be cataloged in the sister article. Those here have gone beyond that: speaking with Chris and trying to influence him.}}

===Aly Hirschberg===
{{Transgender|FTM}}
{{quote|Christine is actually paying bills and stuff. The money I give her at least hasn't gone to waste, she uses my money I give for gas, electricity, car fuel, food, all the necessary essentials.|Hirschberg, February 2020,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5985046 Money goes to "necessary essentials", 7 February 2020]</ref> justifying her financial enabling as freeing Chris's [[monthly tugboat]] to spend on toys instead}}

{{quote|Has he ever thanked you, or offer gratitude in any way?|A fan's question for Hirschberg}}

{{quote|No which is why I hardly talk to her.|Hirschberg's reply, August 2020.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-7085596</ref>}}

[[File:Alan.JPG|thumb|200px|Alan Hirschberg]]

'''Aly Michelle Hirschberg''',<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5423984 Alan's real name and gender confirmed, 5 October 2019]</ref> also known by her [[tomgirl|transgender]] byname '''Alan Christopher''', is a mentally disturbed<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5482182 Interview with Hirschberg, 19 October 2019]</ref><ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5510526 Interview with Hirschberg, 25 October 2019]</ref> [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!|Scottish]] [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|Jew]] living in England who emerged in mid-[[2019]] and believes herself to be Chris's best friend.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5741203 Details on Hirschberg's plans, 19 December 2019]</ref> She is one of Chris's financial benefactors, and has even claimed to be his primary donor responsible for mitigating the [[Financhu Crisis]],<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5858020 Hirschberg describes her motives, 13 January 2020]</ref> though Chris has denied this.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chandlers-sued-for-debt-megathread.55045/post-5947111 Chris repudiates Aly, 31 January 2020]</ref> She has also set up abortive fundraisers to send Chris (and, for a time, [[Jacob Sockness]]) on a world tour,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/ Meet the Creep Behind Chris Chan's Fundraisers, 16 September 2019]</ref> which Chris repurposed to support his ''[[My Little Pony]]'' obsession.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#Fundraiser for BABSCon|Chris earmarks Hirschberg's world tour fundraiser for BABScon, 6 October 2019]]</ref>

Hirschberg and Chris have known each other since the Classic era: as early as [[2008]], they would exchange letters which contents have not yet been divulged.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5700309 External confirmation of Hirschberg's antiquity]</ref> She has also spent several thousand dollars on his [[Etsy]] and [[eBay]] offerings before these [[Chris and business|ventures]] were shut down. She is apparently truly convinced that the [[Dimensional Merge]] and [[CWCville]] are [[Chris and reality|real]], and that [[Jacob Sockness]]'s sorcery is really effective. Other than as a tool to solicit funds on Twitter in [[October 2019]], she has had no substantial interactions with Chris in public.

In August 2020, Hirschberg stated that her donations have decreased to occasional gifts, mainly in the form of [[PSN]] game credits (which Chris didn't bother to use).<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/page-24</ref>

===Jack Jankowski===

'''Jack Jankowski''', aka '''Jack Z''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-23#post-3284412</ref> gave Chris $1,200 in [[April 2018]] for a luxury trip to [[BronyCon 2018]] in the hopes that he and his friends would get to meet him there<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-4#post-3273576</ref> and convince Chris to be interviewed on their YouTube channel.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-4#post-3273749</ref> Chris thanked him for the money in [[I have been paid to go; we’ll see if I can go (Seriously To Be Determined)]]. However, the money ended up going to the [[Idea Guys]] due to their conning of Chris.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/confession.65532/</ref>

Jack paid $100 for a [[April 2018 Paid Video Requests#Message to Dio Brando, Plus I Need a New Phone!|video (which Chris decided to bookend with unrelated begging announcements)]].

Jack also tried to use the lore from ''{{w|Jojo's Bizarre Adventure}}'' to influence Chris, claiming that series antagonist {{w|Dio Brando}} was trolling him. However, Chris consulted the Idea Guys, who told him that Jack was a troll.<ref>[[Cryzel Torture]]</ref>

Jack also stated that he'd been involved with the [[Prank calls#Liquid Bob calls Bob|Liquid Bob]] call several years prior.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/post-3274429</ref>

===James Lewis Martin===
[[File:William Robinson.jpg|thumb|200px|One of Martin's pictures that he had volunteered on [[Kiwi Farms]].]]

{{quote|Giving Christine money for food, petrol, gas, electricity isn't enabling.|Martin, defending his enabling.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6258328</ref>}}

'''James Lewis Martin''', also known as '''William Robinson''' or '''CPU Byzantium Heart''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/</ref> was an [[autism|autistic]] Polish Englishman and Hirschberg's friend. Like with Hirschberg, he was also giving Chris money and affirmation over his fantasy world by pretending to be a fellow [[CPU]] god.<ref>https://twitter.com/ByzantiumHeart/with_replies Archive: http://archive.fo/9qq4P</ref> Robinson also believed that he should give Chris his mother's money to keep him from going homeless and to fund his other expenses,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-james-lewis-martin-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/post-6306934 Martin's funds come from his mother, 17 April 2020]</ref> ignoring the fact that Chris's [[monthly tugboat]] already covers these and that Chris spends any donations on frivolities such as printing up [[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder|TSSSF]] cards and buying [[magic stones]]. Martin also tried to send his aunt, a social worker, to Chris's house to give him even more help,<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6250681</ref> but Chris refused to answer the door, thinking the social worker was there to have him committed to a mental institution.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6252776</ref> His parents discovered him online (against [[Bob Walks In|family restrictions]]) after a failed [[white knight]]ing crusade on [[Kiwi Farms]], which resulted in him becoming a <abbr title="One who exposes himself freely on Kiwi Farms.">''halal'' lolcow</abbr>, and bungled [[Chris and death|suicide attempt]], and revoked his Internet privileges. In [[June 2020]], Martin committed suicide following a bout of depression.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-james-lewis-martin-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/post-6743199</ref>

===Miss Cherry===
{{Transgender|MTF}}
[[File:Danielle Stone.png|thumb|200px|Miss Cherry]]

'''Miss Cherry''', birth name '''Daniel Stone''',<ref>According to [[The Captain]], [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/post-3586570 here]</ref> is an Australian [[hermaphrodite|trans woman]] who spent <abbr title="Australian: equivalent ~$1000 US.">AU$1500</abbr> of his mother's money in a failed bid at becoming Chris's first [[Love Quest|sweetheart]] in the [[Idea Guys]]' wake. On 20 [[July 2018]], he pledged $589 to Chris's [[Patreon]], as a means of getting Chris's attention by being the first to hit his monthly goal and referring to himself as his number one fan and his newest sweetheart.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/</ref> However, Chris simply took the money and disputed his claim of being in a relationship with him, partially doxing him as well:

{{quote|Oh. you're a good patron, I appreciate your support, but [[DoopieDoOver|You and I are NOT Lovers]], Cherry Stone.}}

In response, Stone doubled down by increasing the pledge amount to $1,000.<ref>https://archive.fo/mqzyT</ref> On 23 July, Chris posted to Twitter about the good fortune of getting the money, as he needed it to fund his car repairs as his Plan A for getting to [[BronyCon]]. In doing so, he doxed Stone fully.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200222031501/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/1021436370768867329</ref> That Chris appeared annoyed at Miss Cherry claiming to be in a relationship with him is interesting, considering that [[Chris and hypocrisy|he has done the same thing]] to [[Megan Schroeder|many]] [[The Wallflower|women]] in the past. Stone discontinued his pledge on the next day;<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/page-13#post-3594892</ref> however, as Chris had set his Patreon to upfront charging,<ref>[[September 2017 Patreon posts]]</ref> the money remained with Chris. Miss Cherry faded into obscurity, broke and broken-hearted.

===Philip Paymo===
{{Transgender|FTM}}
[[File:Philipavatar.png|thumb|200px|Philip's YouTube avatar]]
'''Philip Paymo''' is an enabler and attention-seeking carpetbagger who began interacting with Chris in early 2026. So far, he has commissioned at least 6 [[Cameo]] videos from Chris, beginning in March.<ref>[[19 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Talks About HarmonyCon]]</ref><ref>[[20-25 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Talks About Electrolysis]]</ref><ref>[[Love is Love (song)#2026 version]]</ref><ref>[[20-25 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Complains About The Real Blue Heart]]</ref><ref>[[16-20 April 2026 Cameo videos#Philip Is Hospitalized]]</ref><ref>[[September 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Sings Bulletproof Heart by My Chemical Romance]]</ref>

Philip provided Chris with music that he first used in [[Changeable Scouts, Part 4 (Transformers of Cwcville Short)]]. Shortly afterward, Chris livestreamed [[Mewgenics Let's Play 1 with Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], during which Philip Paymo offered to moderate spam messages in the livechat. Chris accepted the offer and promoted him to moderator. Philip continued removing comments in subsequent videos.

Philip also made updated intro and outro screens for Chris, which Chris began using in ''[[A Tribute to Peter Cullen from JCWCSP]]''.

It has been speculated that Philip Paymo might be xXBlackAndRedStarXx, also known as collegeoldie on Reddit, who had faked a call with Chris back in [[June 2025]], allegedly revealing the real name of [[Flutter]] as Auli. On 27 [[August 2026]], the collegeoldie account posted Philip Paymo's YouTube video titled ''Chris Chan - Go Transformers! (Studio Mix) [Official Music Video Edit]'' to the r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit. At around the same time the video was temporarily set to private and the Reddit post was deleted.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1vzrtyf/philip_paymo_who_previously_moderated_chriss/</ref> The collegeoldie account was deleted over a week later.

===Ren Ryghts===
{{quote|I’m the jackass who trolled the #Persona fanbase by getting Chris to play the game and a create a drawing.|Ren<ref>https://x.com/RyghteousRen99/status/1792344876811686042 ([https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ejiiV archive])</ref>}}
[[File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|thumb|200px|A $275 commission]]
[[File:Persona 5 commission 26Nov2024.jpg|thumb|200px|Another commission of ''Persona 5'']]
'''Ren Ryghts ⚡️💙⚡️''', also known as '''RenDevoteeOfCWC''', is an enabler who began tweeting to Chris in late [[December 2023]], following Chris's post-jail return to [[Twitter]]. Ren styles his Twitter profile in a way designed to appeal to Chris - the username references ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' and uses emoticons which Chris also likes to use as his signature. Ren also spends time [[White-Knighting]] for Chris. He is most known for buying commissions of ''[[Persona]]'' from Chris.

On 29 [[December 2023]], Ren mailed to Chris a copy of the video game ''Persona 5 Royal'',<ref>https://twitter.com/RenDevoteeOfCWC/status/1740781058700804501 ([https://archive.fo/2USac archive])</ref> which arrived on 7 [[January 2024]].<ref>https://twitter.com/RenDevoteeOfCWC/status/1744187881181311324 ([https://archive.fo/GSQFR archive])</ref> Chris subsequently played it in [[Popular Request Game Stream]].

Chris first responded to one of Ren's tweets on 15 [[January 2024]], when he dismissed advice from Ren not to feed a troll.<ref>[[January 2024 social media posts#Hitler]]</ref> On 18-19 January, he also replied to Ren's DMs asking about dimensions.<ref>[[Ren Ryghts DMs‎]]</ref>

At some point in time, Ren [[OfficialCWCmart commissions|commissioned]] a Persona 3 themed art piece. Ren has also bought a [[OfficialCWCmart#Handmade Sonichu Medallion, WITH MEGASTONE|medallion]].<ref>https://archive.is/2AfIj</ref>

At an unknown point, Ren deleted his Twitter account. Ren created a new Twitter account in [[April 2024]], and would backtrack and announce his "retirement" from enabling Chris in [[May 2024]].<ref>https://archive.is/GJTpW</ref><ref>https://archive.is/apn4r</ref>

In [[November 2024]], when asked about what happened to Ren, Chris made a remark about "a fun memory" and said he hasn't been in touch with him that much.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run]]</ref>

In [[December 2024]], Ren released another commissioned drawing on [[Bluesky]] of ''Persona 5'' characters.<ref>https://bsky.app/profile/ryghteousren99.bsky.social/post/3lbxxgf36uk2f ([https://archive.fo/h9Sna archive])</ref><ref>https://bsky.app/profile/ryghteousren99.bsky.social/post/3lco65hmkfs2g ([https://archive.fo/ujT2N archive])</ref>

===Sarah and Steven===
[[File:Sarahchu.jpg|thumb|Sarahchu]]
{{quote|Remember, if you are ever in trouble or need help (before we're able to move) just message us first! I'm afraid other people could not be very trusted.|Part of a message Sarah and Steve wrote to Chris.}}
[[File:SnSoverit.png|thumb|150px|left|Let this be a lesson to all would-be enablers.]]

'''Sarah and Steven''' were a pair of half-hearted enablers, working jointly, who first appeared in [[February 2019]] when they discussed a [[Rosechu]] [[medallion]] with Chris, as well as the possibility of meeting him in person, on Twitter.<ref>[[:File:Sarah and Steve ask permission to make medallion.jpg|Sarah and Steven's first appearance, 27 February 2019]]</ref> They had bought a [[Nintendo Switch]] for Chris and supported him on Patreon, yet their attempts to keep themselves anonymous and out of public view were derailed by Chris himself when he [[Very Cool Birthday Present! :)|filmed himself with the new console and revealed their secret plans]] to move to [[Virginia]] and isolate Chris from other contacts to make him dependent upon them. After this, they disappeared for a month, setting a trend that would mark a pattern in all future cycles of interactions with Chris.

In [[May 2019]], Sarah and Steven returned, professing themselves as believers in Chris's [[Chris and his ego|personality cult]],<ref>http://archive.fo/rc9aN</ref> and again sought to malign him against the [[Guard Dogs]] by presenting themselves as exclusively trustworthy.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File_talk:Sarah_and_Steve_DM_messages_1.png</ref> After several of their private discussions were leaked onto [[Kiwi Farms]],<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-1060#post-4782445</ref> they abandoned course again and lamented that they were swindled out of the money they had freely given Chris in their bid for influence over him; their relationship with Chris further deteriorated,<ref>[[:File:SNSjuly23rd2.png]][[:File:SNSjuly23rd3.png]]</ref> and he finally cast them aside on 25 [[July 2019]], when they raised the question of what would happen should they dare question any of Chris's teachings or beliefs.<ref>[[:File:SNSunfollowed.png]]</ref> Further attempts to reach Chris by endorsing [[Jacob Sockness]], in both [[August 2019|August]] and [[October 2019]],<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-1149#post-5140617 Random Chris updates, page 1149]</ref><ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-11-3-sockness-manipulating-chris-to-trust-only-him-chris-turns-against-null.62825/ Thread on Sockness's attempts to isolate Chris, 3 November 2019]</ref> have to date all ended in failure.

In [[March 2021]], Chris revealed their OC, called Sarahchu, born from a Lopunny Pokémon and a [[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]]; she is a part-poison type.

===William Waterman===
{{Autistic}}
{{quote|Do you Ever Stop?|[[Chris]], annoyed at Waterman constantly posting comments on his Facebook updates}}

[[Image:William_Elliott_Waterman.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Waterman, a.k.a. VikingBoyBilly]]

'''William Elliott Waterman''' was a [[Facebook]] friend of [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] during the mid 2010s, known for making many comments of support, occasional advice, and [[autism|off-topic remarks]] on Chris's posts, and for being repeatedly unfriended. He has also purchased artwork from Chris, including [[Sonichu 0|the first issue of ''Sonichu'']] and has been a supporter on [[Patreon]].

Chris and Waterman apparently met online, through Waterman's cousin and one of Chris's most well-known enablers, [[Anna McLerran]]. They never met in person, and Chris initiated the friend request after correspondence with Waterman,<ref>[[August 2013 Facebook Posts#William Elliott Waterman's FUTURE MESSAGE]]</ref> despite him being [[JERKS|male]] and having [[Asperger syndrome]]. Waterman's first activity on Chris's Facebook timeline is from May [[2013]].<ref>[[May_2013_Facebook_Posts#This_cold_is_really_weighing_me_down]]</ref>

In [[November 2015]], Waterman tried to claim that Chris was under his control and would not make any more statuses or videos until the administration of [[Kiwi Farms]] gave into demands he made. Chris, refusing to be part of Waterman's retarded schemes, posted on Facebook that he had control over his own life,<ref>[[November_2015_Facebook_Posts#I_Control_My_Life|Facebook post]]</ref> and then promptly unfriended Waterman. By [[June 2016]], Waterman had wormed his way back into being re-added. Later that month, at Waterman's request, Chris began reading [[:Category:Rainbows, Unicorns, and a Bluebird of Happiness|Rainbows, Unicorns, and a Bluebird of Happiness]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-reads-unicorns-rainbows-and-a-bluebird-of-happiness.21663/page-9#post-1534383</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-reads-unicorns-rainbows-and-a-bluebird-of-happiness.21663/page-24#post-1563368</ref> Shortly after Chris had read chapter four of that fanfic, he unfriended Waterman again.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-9-yt-announcement_20160709.22293/page-7#post-1586578</ref> In [[Announcement 20160709]], Chris revealed that he was angry at "Mr. Bill" for suggesting that he read the story, which Chris found to be nonsensical. Three weeks later, Chris re-added him to his friend list again.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-7-28-tranny-status-updates.22924/page-3#post-1633317</ref> Days after he reappeared on Chris's Facebook comments section, Chris began a new series of fanfic-reading videos called [[Reading: "A Girl Who Brought Down the World", "And Apparently Survived a Housefire"]].

Waterman paid Chris to insert his [[OC]] [[Bananasauros]] into [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], where the character moves in with [[Punchy Sonichu]] and has sex with an opposite-gender clone. Chris apparently found Bananasauros so asinine he couldn't resist inserting his own criticisms into the comic. Despite being personally insulted by Chris in the very set of pages he had paid for, as well as on Patreon's comments section,<ref>[[July_2017_Patreon_posts#Ripping_off_MLP]]</ref> Waterman continued to be a loyal supporter, donating monthly to Chris for some time, though eventually ending his pledge.

With the revelation of Chris engaging in [[Affair with Mother|incest]] with his mother, Waterman declared on the former’s Facebook page that he was done with Chris.

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Other enablers

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Cottonmather: /* Philip Paymo */

{{Protip|Petty enablers, whether financial or fantastic, should not get more than a paragraph or two, and should be squarely focused on their relation to Chris.}}
When the [[Idea Guys]] showed everyone in late [[2017]] that Chris is still just as [[naive]] as he was a decade earlier, he inspired many bored, childish, and mentally ill copycats. Chris's [[Chris and reality|deteriorating psyche]] has made him less amenable to being reached by such traditional methods as claiming to be a [[boyfriend-free girl]]; the Idea Guys had indeed caused Chris by [[March 2018]] to conclude the [[Love Quest]], blocking off this avenue outright. Instead, those who wish to prove themselves latter-day [[The Miscreants|Miscreants]] play along with Chris's more eccentric beliefs, including in [[Chris and religion#Delusions of godhood|his own divinity]]. A few such '''[[enablers]]''', such as [[Ben Saint]] and [[Jacob Sockness]], have left their indelible marks on the ''Sonichu'' series. Most have not. This page lists such petty [[enablers]] who have got [[TRUE and HONEST]] responses from Chris on social media or in chat rooms, yet have not provoked Chris into doing anything substantial.

==Fantasy==
===Eschcal===
[[File:CWCLivestream Fan, 12 Feb. 2020.png|thumb|200px|Eschcal tipping Chris $10 during a livestream.]]
'''Eschcal''' aka '''Whyt Foxx''' is a former enabler who discovered Chris in October 2019. She initially claimed to follow Chris to be a positive influence on him. Eschcal would later come into the spotlight when she donated $10 in his [[Live Reading of SNT Vs Sonichu, Part 2|live reading of ''SNT Vs Sonichu'']]. However shortly after the livestream, she would claim the relationship between the two would suddenly deteriorate, resulting in her being kicked out of his Discord group and knowing the true colors of Chris. She still occasionally orbits Chris's Twitter account but has reduced her enabling.<ref>https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr52os</ref>

===Multidimensional White Knights===
{{Troll}}
[[File:BlockDM.png|350px|right|thumb|'Carrie' pleads for SonichuMerch to advocate to let her back into Chris's viewing box.]]
The '''Multidimensional White Knights''' (MWK) or '''Knights of C-197''' are a group of accounts, all associated with [[OCs|fictional characters]] from disparate children's programs, chief among them '''Carrie Krueger''' of ''[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1942683 The Amazing World of Gumball]'', originally created in [[February 2019]] and repurposed that summer in an idle attempt to mess with Chris as he was emerging from the [[Soft Exile]]. Throughout summer 2019, they would interact sporadically with Chris, getting occasional replies and likes but no Laughs Under Lucricities, being overshadowed by [[Sockness]]'s distended belly. No conclusive evidence identifying the puppetmaster behind these accounts exists.

During Chris's Twitter follower purge in [[July 2019]], Krueger was blocked from viewing Chris's account along with thousands of other perceived trolls, and the Knights were forced to use alternative accounts to reach him, though they were unblocked in October due to allegedly sending him a gift. Since then, the only one of the original ten Knights which Chris acknowledged as [[TRUE and HONEST]] was Ed Bighead of ''[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106115 Rocko's Modern Life]'', conflated with the [[Chris and religion|biblical]] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Darius-in-the-Bible.html Darius] and marketed as an ally against [[Ben Saint]] when he was trying to revise his comics that [[October 2019|October]].

[[File:156806320645546305.jpg|200px|right|thumb|The first Carrie photo that Chris fell for, it shows the Mooninites allegedly assassinating an offscreen OC.]]

Imitating the [[Idea Guys]]' love of the [[Operation BARBarossa|politically incorrect]], they also convinced Chris that [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/moon-man Mac Tonight] and former South African president [https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/southern-african-history-biographies/pieter-willem-botha Botha] were in league with Sockness's demons. They also convinced him that Austria-Hungary reformed and it was being led by Spongebob Squarepants who had changed his name to Amadeus and that the Ottoman Empire also reformed with a random Paper Mario character serving as Sultan. This was done by sharing a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BD-ba-aXQo Local 58 video] with Chris claiming that the events of the video were the work of Sockness's demons and Chris believed it.

Most recently they got <strike>Chris</strike> [[Spirit possession#Sonichu|Sonichu]] to acknowledge that the setting for [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Loud_House The Loud House] exists in C-197 during a Twitter thread in [[October 2020]].

While the Knights keep trying to ignite conflicts about cartoon characters and random historical figures on [[Discord]] and involve Chris in them, they have got occasional lukewarm responses from Chris; they have moderately influenced his view on C-197 itself but his vision of the [[Dimensional Merge]] itself remains unaffected.

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===Noah===
'''Noah''' is a YouTuber and Chris [[ween]]/fan. He is known for snatching a drawing Chris had left at the abandoned [[Goodwill Offering and Kindest Wishes|DeJarnette Center]], as well as deceiving a musician to appear alongside Chris on his [[Chris Chan & Max Mandu LIVE / Leftovers Tonight|short-lived interview series]]. In [[April 2019]], he, along with his girlfriend, took Chris out for lunch at Citizen Burger Bar, located in [[Charlottesville]]. His girlfriend later described the encounter in a Reddit post.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/hvefmv/signed_sonichu_comic_book/</ref>

{{quotebox|Gotta go into the repressed memories for this one. I’m going to refer to Chris as “they/them/their” bc I honestly don’t know what they identify as anymore. Basically my ex was really into following their story and found their address, which happened to be close-ish to where we lived. He contacted them and said we’d take them to lunch, which of course they chose a not-so-cheap option and made sure he would pay for it. Then we drove my car to pick them up, being greeted by the lovely sound of [[Clover and Snoopy|hound/beagle barks]]. They came out donning rainbow [[hair]], about 12 rings, a backpack, a jean skirt, and of course the [[Medallion|infamous Sonichu necklace]]. The ride to lunch was an absolute clusterfuck. They didn’t shut up, sang along to the radio, talked about how the [[Dimensional Merge|cartoon world would soon merge with our world]], how they [[Messiah complex|could talk to the dead]], and so on. I honestly didn’t think people like that really existed. Once we got to the restaurant, they pulled out a [[Idea Book Case|duct tape wallet]] to be able to play [[Pokemon GO|Pokémon go]] on two phones at once, like any sane person. They talked about everything so loudly I was mortified. Somehow the conversation ended up with them putting the Sonichu necklace on me and asking if I could “feel the power” (all I felt was dread). There’s a photo in existence of this great moment, but unfortunately it’s on my ex’s phone and I do not plan on ever speaking to him again, especially to ask for that photo. The ride back was an absolute disaster too, basically more ranting about crazy shit. It ended with them giving us [[business card]]s and saying we should hang out again, to which I obviously never took that offer up.}}

When a fan asked if Chris had kissed her, she replied:

{{quotebox|Hahah no thank god- just a cringey hug. Might have had to do with the fact someone else was there though, and I’m about 15 years younger. Thought I’m not sure that would stop them.}}

Chris also gifted a copy of his [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]] comic.

===Richard Righteous===
'''Richard Bale''', known by his online handle '''Richard Righteous''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/post-7145188</ref> is a person who designed merch and the logo for [[CWCville Shopping]]. He is the central theme of a TSSSF expansion pack Chris made titled ''[[A Righteous Rising]]''.

Active since 31 July 2018, Righteous keeps his face anonymous, wearing a {{w|Michael Myers (Halloween)|Michael Myers}} facemask with makeup (blue lids, pink cheeks, and red lips) and blonde hair on it.

<center><gallery>
File:R. Righteous.jpg|Righteous is often seen wearing a Michael Myers facemask when in public and/or on social media.
File:Richard Bale.png|Bale without the mask. Note the [[Creepy stare|familiar look in his eyes]] and the [[obesity|double chin]].
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===ViviChu===

[[File:Vivichu sonichu-min.jpg|thumb|200px|ViviChu's [[OC]], which Chris made in [[TSSSF]] form.]]

'''ViviChu''' is an enabler who appeared on Twitter and Discord in [[2018]]. She ran a Discord server which Chris joined in September 2018.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/9-2018-chris-joins-a-fans-discord.47701/</ref>



==Financial==
{{See also|Enablers#Financial enablers}}
{{Protip|Most financial enablers (those who ''just'' give him money) need only be cataloged in the sister article. Those here have gone beyond that: speaking with Chris and trying to influence him.}}

===Aly Hirschberg===
{{Transgender|FTM}}
{{quote|Christine is actually paying bills and stuff. The money I give her at least hasn't gone to waste, she uses my money I give for gas, electricity, car fuel, food, all the necessary essentials.|Hirschberg, February 2020,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5985046 Money goes to "necessary essentials", 7 February 2020]</ref> justifying her financial enabling as freeing Chris's [[monthly tugboat]] to spend on toys instead}}

{{quote|Has he ever thanked you, or offer gratitude in any way?|A fan's question for Hirschberg}}

{{quote|No which is why I hardly talk to her.|Hirschberg's reply, August 2020.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-7085596</ref>}}

[[File:Alan.JPG|thumb|200px|Alan Hirschberg]]

'''Aly Michelle Hirschberg''',<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5423984 Alan's real name and gender confirmed, 5 October 2019]</ref> also known by her [[tomgirl|transgender]] byname '''Alan Christopher''', is a mentally disturbed<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5482182 Interview with Hirschberg, 19 October 2019]</ref><ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5510526 Interview with Hirschberg, 25 October 2019]</ref> [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!|Scottish]] [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|Jew]] living in England who emerged in mid-[[2019]] and believes herself to be Chris's best friend.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5741203 Details on Hirschberg's plans, 19 December 2019]</ref> She is one of Chris's financial benefactors, and has even claimed to be his primary donor responsible for mitigating the [[Financhu Crisis]],<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5858020 Hirschberg describes her motives, 13 January 2020]</ref> though Chris has denied this.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chandlers-sued-for-debt-megathread.55045/post-5947111 Chris repudiates Aly, 31 January 2020]</ref> She has also set up abortive fundraisers to send Chris (and, for a time, [[Jacob Sockness]]) on a world tour,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/ Meet the Creep Behind Chris Chan's Fundraisers, 16 September 2019]</ref> which Chris repurposed to support his ''[[My Little Pony]]'' obsession.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#Fundraiser for BABSCon|Chris earmarks Hirschberg's world tour fundraiser for BABScon, 6 October 2019]]</ref>

Hirschberg and Chris have known each other since the Classic era: as early as [[2008]], they would exchange letters which contents have not yet been divulged.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5700309 External confirmation of Hirschberg's antiquity]</ref> She has also spent several thousand dollars on his [[Etsy]] and [[eBay]] offerings before these [[Chris and business|ventures]] were shut down. She is apparently truly convinced that the [[Dimensional Merge]] and [[CWCville]] are [[Chris and reality|real]], and that [[Jacob Sockness]]'s sorcery is really effective. Other than as a tool to solicit funds on Twitter in [[October 2019]], she has had no substantial interactions with Chris in public.

In August 2020, Hirschberg stated that her donations have decreased to occasional gifts, mainly in the form of [[PSN]] game credits (which Chris didn't bother to use).<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/page-24</ref>

===Jack Jankowski===

'''Jack Jankowski''', aka '''Jack Z''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-23#post-3284412</ref> gave Chris $1,200 in [[April 2018]] for a luxury trip to [[BronyCon 2018]] in the hopes that he and his friends would get to meet him there<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-4#post-3273576</ref> and convince Chris to be interviewed on their YouTube channel.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-4#post-3273749</ref> Chris thanked him for the money in [[I have been paid to go; we’ll see if I can go (Seriously To Be Determined)]]. However, the money ended up going to the [[Idea Guys]] due to their conning of Chris.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/confession.65532/</ref>

Jack paid $100 for a [[April 2018 Paid Video Requests#Message to Dio Brando, Plus I Need a New Phone!|video (which Chris decided to bookend with unrelated begging announcements)]].

Jack also tried to use the lore from ''{{w|Jojo's Bizarre Adventure}}'' to influence Chris, claiming that series antagonist {{w|Dio Brando}} was trolling him. However, Chris consulted the Idea Guys, who told him that Jack was a troll.<ref>[[Cryzel Torture]]</ref>

Jack also stated that he'd been involved with the [[Prank calls#Liquid Bob calls Bob|Liquid Bob]] call several years prior.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/post-3274429</ref>

===James Lewis Martin===
[[File:William Robinson.jpg|thumb|200px|One of Martin's pictures that he had volunteered on [[Kiwi Farms]].]]

{{quote|Giving Christine money for food, petrol, gas, electricity isn't enabling.|Martin, defending his enabling.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6258328</ref>}}

'''James Lewis Martin''', also known as '''William Robinson''' or '''CPU Byzantium Heart''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/</ref> was an [[autism|autistic]] Polish Englishman and Hirschberg's friend. Like with Hirschberg, he was also giving Chris money and affirmation over his fantasy world by pretending to be a fellow [[CPU]] god.<ref>https://twitter.com/ByzantiumHeart/with_replies Archive: http://archive.fo/9qq4P</ref> Robinson also believed that he should give Chris his mother's money to keep him from going homeless and to fund his other expenses,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-james-lewis-martin-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/post-6306934 Martin's funds come from his mother, 17 April 2020]</ref> ignoring the fact that Chris's [[monthly tugboat]] already covers these and that Chris spends any donations on frivolities such as printing up [[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder|TSSSF]] cards and buying [[magic stones]]. Martin also tried to send his aunt, a social worker, to Chris's house to give him even more help,<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6250681</ref> but Chris refused to answer the door, thinking the social worker was there to have him committed to a mental institution.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6252776</ref> His parents discovered him online (against [[Bob Walks In|family restrictions]]) after a failed [[white knight]]ing crusade on [[Kiwi Farms]], which resulted in him becoming a <abbr title="One who exposes himself freely on Kiwi Farms.">''halal'' lolcow</abbr>, and bungled [[Chris and death|suicide attempt]], and revoked his Internet privileges. In [[June 2020]], Martin committed suicide following a bout of depression.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-james-lewis-martin-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/post-6743199</ref>

===Miss Cherry===
{{Transgender|MTF}}
[[File:Danielle Stone.png|thumb|200px|Miss Cherry]]

'''Miss Cherry''', birth name '''Daniel Stone''',<ref>According to [[The Captain]], [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/post-3586570 here]</ref> is an Australian [[hermaphrodite|trans woman]] who spent <abbr title="Australian: equivalent ~$1000 US.">AU$1500</abbr> of his mother's money in a failed bid at becoming Chris's first [[Love Quest|sweetheart]] in the [[Idea Guys]]' wake. On 20 [[July 2018]], he pledged $589 to Chris's [[Patreon]], as a means of getting Chris's attention by being the first to hit his monthly goal and referring to himself as his number one fan and his newest sweetheart.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/</ref> However, Chris simply took the money and disputed his claim of being in a relationship with him, partially doxing him as well:

{{quote|Oh. you're a good patron, I appreciate your support, but [[DoopieDoOver|You and I are NOT Lovers]], Cherry Stone.}}

In response, Stone doubled down by increasing the pledge amount to $1,000.<ref>https://archive.fo/mqzyT</ref> On 23 July, Chris posted to Twitter about the good fortune of getting the money, as he needed it to fund his car repairs as his Plan A for getting to [[BronyCon]]. In doing so, he doxed Stone fully.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200222031501/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/1021436370768867329</ref> That Chris appeared annoyed at Miss Cherry claiming to be in a relationship with him is interesting, considering that [[Chris and hypocrisy|he has done the same thing]] to [[Megan Schroeder|many]] [[The Wallflower|women]] in the past. Stone discontinued his pledge on the next day;<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/page-13#post-3594892</ref> however, as Chris had set his Patreon to upfront charging,<ref>[[September 2017 Patreon posts]]</ref> the money remained with Chris. Miss Cherry faded into obscurity, broke and broken-hearted.

===Philip Paymo===
{{Transgender|FTM}}
[[File:Philipavatar.png|thumb|200px|Philip's YouTube avatar]]
'''Philip Paymo''' is an enabler and attention-seeking carpetbagger who began interacting with Chris in early 2026. So far, he has commissioned at least 6 [[Cameo]] videos from Chris, beginning in March.<ref>[[19 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Talks About HarmonyCon]]</ref><ref>[[20-25 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Talks About Electrolysis]]</ref><ref>[[Love is Love (song)#2026 version]]</ref><ref>[[20-25 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Complains About The Real Blue Heart]]</ref><ref>[[16-20 April 2026 Cameo videos#Philip Is Hospitalized]]</ref><ref>[[September 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Sings Bulletproof Heart by My Chemical Romance]]</ref>

Philip provided Chris with music that he first used in [[Changeable Scouts, Part 4 (Transformers of Cwcville Short)]]. Shortly afterward, Chris livestreamed [[Mewgenics Let's Play 1 with Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], during which Philip Paymo offered to moderate spam messages in the livechat. Chris accepted the offer and promoted him to moderator. Philip continued removing comments in subsequent videos.

Philip also made updated intro and outro screens for Chris, which Chris began using in ''[[A Tribute to Peter Cullen from JCWCSP]]''.

It has been speculated that Philip Paymo might be xXBlackAndRedStarXx, also known as collegeoldie on Reddit, who had faked a call with Chris back in [[June 2025]], allegedly revealing the real name of [[Flutter]] as Auli. On 27 [[August 2026]], the collegeoldie account posted Philip Paymo's YouTube video titled ''Chris Chan - Go Transformers! (Studio Mix) [Official Music Video Edit]'' to the r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit. At around the same time the video was temporarily set to private and the Reddit post was deleted.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1vzrtyf/philip_paymo_who_previously_moderated_chriss/</ref> The collegeoldie account was deleted over a week later.

===Ren Ryghts===
{{quote|I’m the jackass who trolled the #Persona fanbase by getting Chris to play the game and a create a drawing.|Ren<ref>https://x.com/RyghteousRen99/status/1792344876811686042 ([https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ejiiV archive])</ref>}}
[[File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|thumb|200px|A $275 commission.]]
[[File:Persona 5 commission 26Nov2024.jpg|thumb|200px|Another commission of ''Persona 5'']]
'''Ren Ryghts ⚡️💙⚡️''', also known as '''RenDevoteeOfCWC''', is an enabler who began tweeting to Chris in late [[December 2023]], following Chris's post-jail return to [[Twitter]]. Ren styles his Twitter profile in a way designed to appeal to Chris - the username references ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' and uses emoticons which Chris also likes to use as his signature. Ren also spends time [[White-Knighting]] for Chris. He is most known for buying commissions of ''[[Persona]]'' from Chris.

On 29 [[December 2023]], Ren mailed to Chris a copy of the video game ''Persona 5 Royal'',<ref>https://twitter.com/RenDevoteeOfCWC/status/1740781058700804501 ([https://archive.fo/2USac archive])</ref> which arrived on 7 [[January 2024]].<ref>https://twitter.com/RenDevoteeOfCWC/status/1744187881181311324 ([https://archive.fo/GSQFR archive])</ref> Chris subsequently played it in [[Popular Request Game Stream]].

Chris first responded to one of Ren's tweets on 15 [[January 2024]], when he dismissed advice from Ren not to feed a troll.<ref>[[January 2024 social media posts#Hitler]]</ref> On 18-19 January, he also replied to Ren's DMs asking about dimensions.<ref>[[Ren Ryghts DMs‎]]</ref>

At some point in time, Ren [[OfficialCWCmart commissions|commissioned]] a Persona 3 themed art piece. Ren has also bought a [[OfficialCWCmart#Handmade Sonichu Medallion, WITH MEGASTONE|medallion]].<ref>https://archive.is/2AfIj</ref>

At an unknown point, Ren deleted his Twitter account. Ren created a new Twitter account in [[April 2024]], and would backtrack and announce his "retirement" from enabling Chris in [[May 2024]].<ref>https://archive.is/GJTpW</ref><ref>https://archive.is/apn4r</ref>

In [[November 2024]], when asked about what happened to Ren, Chris made a remark about "a fun memory" and said he hasn't been in touch with him that much.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run]]</ref>

In [[December 2024]], Ren released another commissioned drawing on [[Bluesky]] of ''Persona 5'' characters.<ref>https://bsky.app/profile/ryghteousren99.bsky.social/post/3lbxxgf36uk2f ([https://archive.fo/h9Sna archive])</ref><ref>https://bsky.app/profile/ryghteousren99.bsky.social/post/3lco65hmkfs2g ([https://archive.fo/ujT2N archive])</ref>

===Sarah and Steven===
[[File:Sarahchu.jpg|thumb|Sarahchu]]
{{quote|Remember, if you are ever in trouble or need help (before we're able to move) just message us first! I'm afraid other people could not be very trusted.|Part of a message Sarah and Steve wrote to Chris.}}
[[File:SnSoverit.png|thumb|150px|left|Let this be a lesson to all would-be enablers.]]

'''Sarah and Steven''' were a pair of half-hearted enablers, working jointly, who first appeared in [[February 2019]] when they discussed a [[Rosechu]] [[medallion]] with Chris, as well as the possibility of meeting him in person, on Twitter.<ref>[[:File:Sarah and Steve ask permission to make medallion.jpg|Sarah and Steven's first appearance, 27 February 2019]]</ref> They had bought a [[Nintendo Switch]] for Chris and supported him on Patreon, yet their attempts to keep themselves anonymous and out of public view were derailed by Chris himself when he [[Very Cool Birthday Present! :)|filmed himself with the new console and revealed their secret plans]] to move to [[Virginia]] and isolate Chris from other contacts to make him dependent upon them. After this, they disappeared for a month, setting a trend that would mark a pattern in all future cycles of interactions with Chris.

In [[May 2019]], Sarah and Steven returned, professing themselves as believers in Chris's [[Chris and his ego|personality cult]],<ref>http://archive.fo/rc9aN</ref> and again sought to malign him against the [[Guard Dogs]] by presenting themselves as exclusively trustworthy.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File_talk:Sarah_and_Steve_DM_messages_1.png</ref> After several of their private discussions were leaked onto [[Kiwi Farms]],<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-1060#post-4782445</ref> they abandoned course again and lamented that they were swindled out of the money they had freely given Chris in their bid for influence over him; their relationship with Chris further deteriorated,<ref>[[:File:SNSjuly23rd2.png]][[:File:SNSjuly23rd3.png]]</ref> and he finally cast them aside on 25 [[July 2019]], when they raised the question of what would happen should they dare question any of Chris's teachings or beliefs.<ref>[[:File:SNSunfollowed.png]]</ref> Further attempts to reach Chris by endorsing [[Jacob Sockness]], in both [[August 2019|August]] and [[October 2019]],<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-1149#post-5140617 Random Chris updates, page 1149]</ref><ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-11-3-sockness-manipulating-chris-to-trust-only-him-chris-turns-against-null.62825/ Thread on Sockness's attempts to isolate Chris, 3 November 2019]</ref> have to date all ended in failure.

In [[March 2021]], Chris revealed their OC, called Sarahchu, born from a Lopunny Pokémon and a [[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]]; she is a part-poison type.

===William Waterman===
{{Autistic}}
{{quote|Do you Ever Stop?|[[Chris]], annoyed at Waterman constantly posting comments on his Facebook updates}}

[[Image:William_Elliott_Waterman.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Waterman, a.k.a. VikingBoyBilly]]

'''William Elliott Waterman''' was a [[Facebook]] friend of [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] during the mid 2010s, known for making many comments of support, occasional advice, and [[autism|off-topic remarks]] on Chris's posts, and for being repeatedly unfriended. He has also purchased artwork from Chris, including [[Sonichu 0|the first issue of ''Sonichu'']] and has been a supporter on [[Patreon]].

Chris and Waterman apparently met online, through Waterman's cousin and one of Chris's most well-known enablers, [[Anna McLerran]]. They never met in person, and Chris initiated the friend request after correspondence with Waterman,<ref>[[August 2013 Facebook Posts#William Elliott Waterman's FUTURE MESSAGE]]</ref> despite him being [[JERKS|male]] and having [[Asperger syndrome]]. Waterman's first activity on Chris's Facebook timeline is from May [[2013]].<ref>[[May_2013_Facebook_Posts#This_cold_is_really_weighing_me_down]]</ref>

In [[November 2015]], Waterman tried to claim that Chris was under his control and would not make any more statuses or videos until the administration of [[Kiwi Farms]] gave into demands he made. Chris, refusing to be part of Waterman's retarded schemes, posted on Facebook that he had control over his own life,<ref>[[November_2015_Facebook_Posts#I_Control_My_Life|Facebook post]]</ref> and then promptly unfriended Waterman. By [[June 2016]], Waterman had wormed his way back into being re-added. Later that month, at Waterman's request, Chris began reading [[:Category:Rainbows, Unicorns, and a Bluebird of Happiness|Rainbows, Unicorns, and a Bluebird of Happiness]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-reads-unicorns-rainbows-and-a-bluebird-of-happiness.21663/page-9#post-1534383</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-reads-unicorns-rainbows-and-a-bluebird-of-happiness.21663/page-24#post-1563368</ref> Shortly after Chris had read chapter four of that fanfic, he unfriended Waterman again.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-9-yt-announcement_20160709.22293/page-7#post-1586578</ref> In [[Announcement 20160709]], Chris revealed that he was angry at "Mr. Bill" for suggesting that he read the story, which Chris found to be nonsensical. Three weeks later, Chris re-added him to his friend list again.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-7-28-tranny-status-updates.22924/page-3#post-1633317</ref> Days after he reappeared on Chris's Facebook comments section, Chris began a new series of fanfic-reading videos called [[Reading: "A Girl Who Brought Down the World", "And Apparently Survived a Housefire"]].

Waterman paid Chris to insert his [[OC]] [[Bananasauros]] into [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], where the character moves in with [[Punchy Sonichu]] and has sex with an opposite-gender clone. Chris apparently found Bananasauros so asinine he couldn't resist inserting his own criticisms into the comic. Despite being personally insulted by Chris in the very set of pages he had paid for, as well as on Patreon's comments section,<ref>[[July_2017_Patreon_posts#Ripping_off_MLP]]</ref> Waterman continued to be a loyal supporter, donating monthly to Chris for some time, though eventually ending his pledge.

With the revelation of Chris engaging in [[Affair with Mother|incest]] with his mother, Waterman declared on the former’s Facebook page that he was done with Chris.

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Other enablers

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Cottonmather:

{{Protip|Petty enablers, whether financial or fantastic, should not get more than a paragraph or two, and should be squarely focused on their relation to Chris.}}
When the [[Idea Guys]] showed everyone in late [[2017]] that Chris is still just as [[naive]] as he was a decade earlier, he inspired many bored, childish, and mentally ill copycats. Chris's [[Chris and reality|deteriorating psyche]] has made him less amenable to being reached by such traditional methods as claiming to be a [[boyfriend-free girl]]; the Idea Guys had indeed caused Chris by [[March 2018]] to conclude the [[Love Quest]], blocking off this avenue outright. Instead, those who wish to prove themselves latter-day [[The Miscreants|Miscreants]] play along with Chris's more eccentric beliefs, including in [[Chris and religion#Delusions of godhood|his own divinity]]. A few such '''[[enablers]]''', such as [[Ben Saint]] and [[Jacob Sockness]], have left their indelible marks on the ''Sonichu'' series. Most have not. This page lists such petty [[enablers]] who have got [[TRUE and HONEST]] responses from Chris on social media or in chat rooms, yet have not provoked Chris into doing anything substantial.

==Fantasy==
===Eschcal===
[[File:CWCLivestream Fan, 12 Feb. 2020.png|thumb|200px|Eschcal tipping Chris $10 during a livestream.]]
'''Eschcal''' aka '''Whyt Foxx''' is a former enabler who discovered Chris in October 2019. She initially claimed to follow Chris to be a positive influence on him. Eschcal would later come into the spotlight when she donated $10 in his [[Live Reading of SNT Vs Sonichu, Part 2|live reading of ''SNT Vs Sonichu'']]. However shortly after the livestream, she would claim the relationship between the two would suddenly deteriorate, resulting in her being kicked out of his Discord group and knowing the true colors of Chris. She still occasionally orbits Chris's Twitter account but has reduced her enabling.<ref>https://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sr52os</ref>

===Multidimensional White Knights===
{{Troll}}
[[File:BlockDM.png|350px|right|thumb|'Carrie' pleads for SonichuMerch to advocate to let her back into Chris's viewing box.]]
The '''Multidimensional White Knights''' (MWK) or '''Knights of C-197''' are a group of accounts, all associated with [[OCs|fictional characters]] from disparate children's programs, chief among them '''Carrie Krueger''' of ''[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1942683 The Amazing World of Gumball]'', originally created in [[February 2019]] and repurposed that summer in an idle attempt to mess with Chris as he was emerging from the [[Soft Exile]]. Throughout summer 2019, they would interact sporadically with Chris, getting occasional replies and likes but no Laughs Under Lucricities, being overshadowed by [[Sockness]]'s distended belly. No conclusive evidence identifying the puppetmaster behind these accounts exists.

During Chris's Twitter follower purge in [[July 2019]], Krueger was blocked from viewing Chris's account along with thousands of other perceived trolls, and the Knights were forced to use alternative accounts to reach him, though they were unblocked in October due to allegedly sending him a gift. Since then, the only one of the original ten Knights which Chris acknowledged as [[TRUE and HONEST]] was Ed Bighead of ''[https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0106115 Rocko's Modern Life]'', conflated with the [[Chris and religion|biblical]] [https://www.gotquestions.org/Darius-in-the-Bible.html Darius] and marketed as an ally against [[Ben Saint]] when he was trying to revise his comics that [[October 2019|October]].

[[File:156806320645546305.jpg|200px|right|thumb|The first Carrie photo that Chris fell for, it shows the Mooninites allegedly assassinating an offscreen OC.]]

Imitating the [[Idea Guys]]' love of the [[Operation BARBarossa|politically incorrect]], they also convinced Chris that [https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/moon-man Mac Tonight] and former South African president [https://www.encyclopedia.com/people/history/southern-african-history-biographies/pieter-willem-botha Botha] were in league with Sockness's demons. They also convinced him that Austria-Hungary reformed and it was being led by Spongebob Squarepants who had changed his name to Amadeus and that the Ottoman Empire also reformed with a random Paper Mario character serving as Sultan. This was done by sharing a [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BD-ba-aXQo Local 58 video] with Chris claiming that the events of the video were the work of Sockness's demons and Chris believed it.

Most recently they got <strike>Chris</strike> [[Spirit possession#Sonichu|Sonichu]] to acknowledge that the setting for [https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Loud_House The Loud House] exists in C-197 during a Twitter thread in [[October 2020]].

While the Knights keep trying to ignite conflicts about cartoon characters and random historical figures on [[Discord]] and involve Chris in them, they have got occasional lukewarm responses from Chris; they have moderately influenced his view on C-197 itself but his vision of the [[Dimensional Merge]] itself remains unaffected.

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===Noah===
'''Noah''' is a YouTuber and Chris [[ween]]/fan. He is known for snatching a drawing Chris had left at the abandoned [[Goodwill Offering and Kindest Wishes|DeJarnette Center]], as well as deceiving a musician to appear alongside Chris on his [[Chris Chan & Max Mandu LIVE / Leftovers Tonight|short-lived interview series]]. In [[April 2019]], he, along with his girlfriend, took Chris out for lunch at Citizen Burger Bar, located in [[Charlottesville]]. His girlfriend later described the encounter in a Reddit post.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/hvefmv/signed_sonichu_comic_book/</ref>

{{quotebox|Gotta go into the repressed memories for this one. I’m going to refer to Chris as “they/them/their” bc I honestly don’t know what they identify as anymore. Basically my ex was really into following their story and found their address, which happened to be close-ish to where we lived. He contacted them and said we’d take them to lunch, which of course they chose a not-so-cheap option and made sure he would pay for it. Then we drove my car to pick them up, being greeted by the lovely sound of [[Clover and Snoopy|hound/beagle barks]]. They came out donning rainbow [[hair]], about 12 rings, a backpack, a jean skirt, and of course the [[Medallion|infamous Sonichu necklace]]. The ride to lunch was an absolute clusterfuck. They didn’t shut up, sang along to the radio, talked about how the [[Dimensional Merge|cartoon world would soon merge with our world]], how they [[Messiah complex|could talk to the dead]], and so on. I honestly didn’t think people like that really existed. Once we got to the restaurant, they pulled out a [[Idea Book Case|duct tape wallet]] to be able to play [[Pokemon GO|Pokémon go]] on two phones at once, like any sane person. They talked about everything so loudly I was mortified. Somehow the conversation ended up with them putting the Sonichu necklace on me and asking if I could “feel the power” (all I felt was dread). There’s a photo in existence of this great moment, but unfortunately it’s on my ex’s phone and I do not plan on ever speaking to him again, especially to ask for that photo. The ride back was an absolute disaster too, basically more ranting about crazy shit. It ended with them giving us [[business card]]s and saying we should hang out again, to which I obviously never took that offer up.}}

When a fan asked if Chris had kissed her, she replied:

{{quotebox|Hahah no thank god- just a cringey hug. Might have had to do with the fact someone else was there though, and I’m about 15 years younger. Thought I’m not sure that would stop them.}}

Chris also gifted a copy of his [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]] comic.

===Richard Righteous===
'''Richard Bale''', known by his online handle '''Richard Righteous''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/post-7145188</ref> is a person who designed merch and the logo for [[CWCville Shopping]]. He is the central theme of a TSSSF expansion pack Chris made titled ''[[A Righteous Rising]]''.

Active since 31 July 2018, Righteous keeps his face anonymous, wearing a {{w|Michael Myers (Halloween)|Michael Myers}} facemask with makeup (blue lids, pink cheeks, and red lips) and blonde hair on it.

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===ViviChu===

[[File:Vivichu sonichu-min.jpg|thumb|200px|ViviChu's [[OC]], which Chris made in [[TSSSF]] form.]]

'''ViviChu''' is an enabler who appeared on Twitter and Discord in [[2018]]. She ran a Discord server which Chris joined in September 2018.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/9-2018-chris-joins-a-fans-discord.47701/</ref>



==Financial==
{{See also|Enablers#Financial enablers}}
{{Protip|Most financial enablers (those who ''just'' give him money) need only be cataloged in the sister article. Those here have gone beyond that: speaking with Chris and trying to influence him.}}

===Aly Hirschberg===
{{Transgender|FTM}}
{{quote|Christine is actually paying bills and stuff. The money I give her at least hasn't gone to waste, she uses my money I give for gas, electricity, car fuel, food, all the necessary essentials.|Hirschberg, February 2020,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5985046 Money goes to "necessary essentials", 7 February 2020]</ref> justifying her financial enabling as freeing Chris's [[monthly tugboat]] to spend on toys instead}}

{{quote|Has he ever thanked you, or offer gratitude in any way?|A fan's question for Hirschberg}}

{{quote|No which is why I hardly talk to her.|Hirschberg's reply, August 2020.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-7085596</ref>}}

[[File:Alan.JPG|thumb|200px|Alan Hirschberg]]

'''Aly Michelle Hirschberg''',<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5423984 Alan's real name and gender confirmed, 5 October 2019]</ref> also known by her [[tomgirl|transgender]] byname '''Alan Christopher''', is a mentally disturbed<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5482182 Interview with Hirschberg, 19 October 2019]</ref><ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5510526 Interview with Hirschberg, 25 October 2019]</ref> [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!|Scottish]] [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|Jew]] living in England who emerged in mid-[[2019]] and believes herself to be Chris's best friend.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5741203 Details on Hirschberg's plans, 19 December 2019]</ref> She is one of Chris's financial benefactors, and has even claimed to be his primary donor responsible for mitigating the [[Financhu Crisis]],<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5858020 Hirschberg describes her motives, 13 January 2020]</ref> though Chris has denied this.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chandlers-sued-for-debt-megathread.55045/post-5947111 Chris repudiates Aly, 31 January 2020]</ref> She has also set up abortive fundraisers to send Chris (and, for a time, [[Jacob Sockness]]) on a world tour,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/ Meet the Creep Behind Chris Chan's Fundraisers, 16 September 2019]</ref> which Chris repurposed to support his ''[[My Little Pony]]'' obsession.<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#Fundraiser for BABSCon|Chris earmarks Hirschberg's world tour fundraiser for BABScon, 6 October 2019]]</ref>

Hirschberg and Chris have known each other since the Classic era: as early as [[2008]], they would exchange letters which contents have not yet been divulged.<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meet-the-creep-behind-chris-chans-fundraisers.60596/post-5700309 External confirmation of Hirschberg's antiquity]</ref> She has also spent several thousand dollars on his [[Etsy]] and [[eBay]] offerings before these [[Chris and business|ventures]] were shut down. She is apparently truly convinced that the [[Dimensional Merge]] and [[CWCville]] are [[Chris and reality|real]], and that [[Jacob Sockness]]'s sorcery is really effective. Other than as a tool to solicit funds on Twitter in [[October 2019]], she has had no substantial interactions with Chris in public.

In August 2020, Hirschberg stated that her donations have decreased to occasional gifts, mainly in the form of [[PSN]] game credits (which Chris didn't bother to use).<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/page-24</ref>

===Jack Jankowski===

'''Jack Jankowski''', aka '''Jack Z''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-23#post-3284412</ref> gave Chris $1,200 in [[April 2018]] for a luxury trip to [[BronyCon 2018]] in the hopes that he and his friends would get to meet him there<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-4#post-3273576</ref> and convince Chris to be interviewed on their YouTube channel.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/page-4#post-3273749</ref> Chris thanked him for the money in [[I have been paid to go; we’ll see if I can go (Seriously To Be Determined)]]. However, the money ended up going to the [[Idea Guys]] due to their conning of Chris.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/confession.65532/</ref>

Jack paid $100 for a [[April 2018 Paid Video Requests#Message to Dio Brando, Plus I Need a New Phone!|video (which Chris decided to bookend with unrelated begging announcements)]].

Jack also tried to use the lore from ''{{w|Jojo's Bizarre Adventure}}'' to influence Chris, claiming that series antagonist {{w|Dio Brando}} was trolling him. However, Chris consulted the Idea Guys, who told him that Jack was a troll.<ref>[[Cryzel Torture]]</ref>

Jack also stated that he'd been involved with the [[Prank calls#Liquid Bob calls Bob|Liquid Bob]] call several years prior.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/jack-z-jack-jankowski-gave-chris-1-200-for-bronycon-wants-to-hang-out-with-him-there.42041/post-3274429</ref>

===James Lewis Martin===
[[File:William Robinson.jpg|thumb|200px|One of Martin's pictures that he had volunteered on [[Kiwi Farms]].]]

{{quote|Giving Christine money for food, petrol, gas, electricity isn't enabling.|Martin, defending his enabling.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6258328</ref>}}

'''James Lewis Martin''', also known as '''William Robinson''' or '''CPU Byzantium Heart''',<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/</ref> was an [[autism|autistic]] Polish Englishman and Hirschberg's friend. Like with Hirschberg, he was also giving Chris money and affirmation over his fantasy world by pretending to be a fellow [[CPU]] god.<ref>https://twitter.com/ByzantiumHeart/with_replies Archive: http://archive.fo/9qq4P</ref> Robinson also believed that he should give Chris his mother's money to keep him from going homeless and to fund his other expenses,<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-james-lewis-martin-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/post-6306934 Martin's funds come from his mother, 17 April 2020]</ref> ignoring the fact that Chris's [[monthly tugboat]] already covers these and that Chris spends any donations on frivolities such as printing up [[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder|TSSSF]] cards and buying [[magic stones]]. Martin also tried to send his aunt, a social worker, to Chris's house to give him even more help,<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6250681</ref> but Chris refused to answer the door, thinking the social worker was there to have him committed to a mental institution.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aly-hirschberg-alan-christopher.60596/post-6252776</ref> His parents discovered him online (against [[Bob Walks In|family restrictions]]) after a failed [[white knight]]ing crusade on [[Kiwi Farms]], which resulted in him becoming a <abbr title="One who exposes himself freely on Kiwi Farms.">''halal'' lolcow</abbr>, and bungled [[Chris and death|suicide attempt]], and revoked his Internet privileges. In [[June 2020]], Martin committed suicide following a bout of depression.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/william-robinson-james-lewis-martin-christopher-stokes-gaming-samurai-king.68238/post-6743199</ref>

===Miss Cherry===
{{Transgender|MTF}}
[[File:Danielle Stone.png|thumb|200px|Miss Cherry]]

'''Miss Cherry''', birth name '''Daniel Stone''',<ref>According to [[The Captain]], [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/post-3586570 here]</ref> is an Australian [[hermaphrodite|trans woman]] who spent <abbr title="Australian: equivalent ~$1000 US.">AU$1500</abbr> of his mother's money in a failed bid at becoming Chris's first [[Love Quest|sweetheart]] in the [[Idea Guys]]' wake. On 20 [[July 2018]], he pledged $589 to Chris's [[Patreon]], as a means of getting Chris's attention by being the first to hit his monthly goal and referring to himself as his number one fan and his newest sweetheart.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/</ref> However, Chris simply took the money and disputed his claim of being in a relationship with him, partially doxing him as well:

{{quote|Oh. you're a good patron, I appreciate your support, but [[DoopieDoOver|You and I are NOT Lovers]], Cherry Stone.}}

In response, Stone doubled down by increasing the pledge amount to $1,000.<ref>https://archive.fo/mqzyT</ref> On 23 July, Chris posted to Twitter about the good fortune of getting the money, as he needed it to fund his car repairs as his Plan A for getting to [[BronyCon]]. In doing so, he doxed Stone fully.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20200222031501/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/1021436370768867329</ref> That Chris appeared annoyed at Miss Cherry claiming to be in a relationship with him is interesting, considering that [[Chris and hypocrisy|he has done the same thing]] to [[Megan Schroeder|many]] [[The Wallflower|women]] in the past. Stone discontinued his pledge on the next day;<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/miss-cherry-tried-pretending-to-be-chriss-gf-pledged-1-000-to-him.45747/page-13#post-3594892</ref> however, as Chris had set his Patreon to upfront charging,<ref>[[September 2017 Patreon posts]]</ref> the money remained with Chris. Miss Cherry faded into obscurity, broke and broken-hearted.

===Philip Paymo===
{{Transgender|FTM}}
[[File:Philipavatar.png|thumb|200px|Philip's YouTube avatar.]]
'''Philip Paymo''', is an enabler and attention-seeking carpetbagger who began interacting with Chris in early 2026. So far, he has commissioned at least 6 [[Cameo]] videos from Chris, beginning in March.<ref>[[19 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Talks About HarmonyCon]]</ref><ref>[[20-25 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Talks About Electrolysis]]</ref><ref>[[Love is Love (song)#2026 version]]</ref><ref>[[20-25 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Complains About The Real Blue Heart]]</ref><ref>[[16-20 April 2026 Cameo videos#Philip Is Hospitalized]]</ref><ref>[[September 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Sings Bulletproof Heart by My Chemical Romance]]</ref>

Philip provided Chris with music that he first used in [[Changeable Scouts, Part 4 (Transformers of Cwcville Short)]]. Shortly afterward, Chris livestreamed [[Mewgenics Let's Play 1 with Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], during which Philip Paymo offered to moderate spam messages in the livechat. Chris accepted the offer and promoted him to moderator. Philip continued removing comments in subsequent videos.

Philip also made updated intro and outro screens for Chris, which Chris began using in ''[[A Tribute to Peter Cullen from JCWCSP]]''.

It has been speculated that Philip Paymo might be xXBlackAndRedStarXx, also known as collegeoldie on Reddit, who had faked a call with Chris back in [[June 2025]], allegedly revealing the real name of [[Flutter]] as Auli. On 27 [[August 2026]], the collegeoldie account posted Philip Paymo's YouTube video titled ''Chris Chan - Go Transformers! (Studio Mix) [Official Music Video Edit]'' to the r/ChrisChansonichu subreddit. At around the same time the video was temporarily set to private and the Reddit post was deleted.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1vzrtyf/philip_paymo_who_previously_moderated_chriss/</ref> The collegeoldie account was deleted over a week later.

===Ren Ryghts===
{{quote|I’m the jackass who trolled the #Persona fanbase by getting Chris to play the game and a create a drawing.|Ren<ref>https://x.com/RyghteousRen99/status/1792344876811686042 ([https://ghostarchive.org/archive/ejiiV archive])</ref>}}
[[File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|thumb|200px|A $275 commission.]]
[[File:Persona 5 commission 26Nov2024.jpg|thumb|200px|Another commission of ''Persona 5'']]
'''Ren Ryghts ⚡️💙⚡️''', also known as '''RenDevoteeOfCWC''', is an enabler who began tweeting to Chris in late [[December 2023]], following Chris's post-jail return to [[Twitter]]. Ren styles his Twitter profile in a way designed to appeal to Chris - the username references ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' and uses emoticons which Chris also likes to use as his signature. Ren also spends time [[White-Knighting]] for Chris. He is most known for buying commissions of ''[[Persona]]'' from Chris.

On 29 [[December 2023]], Ren mailed to Chris a copy of the video game ''Persona 5 Royal'',<ref>https://twitter.com/RenDevoteeOfCWC/status/1740781058700804501 ([https://archive.fo/2USac archive])</ref> which arrived on 7 [[January 2024]].<ref>https://twitter.com/RenDevoteeOfCWC/status/1744187881181311324 ([https://archive.fo/GSQFR archive])</ref> Chris subsequently played it in [[Popular Request Game Stream]].

Chris first responded to one of Ren's tweets on 15 [[January 2024]], when he dismissed advice from Ren not to feed a troll.<ref>[[January 2024 social media posts#Hitler]]</ref> On 18-19 January, he also replied to Ren's DMs asking about dimensions.<ref>[[Ren Ryghts DMs‎]]</ref>

At some point in time, Ren [[OfficialCWCmart commissions|commissioned]] a Persona 3 themed art piece. Ren has also bought a [[OfficialCWCmart#Handmade Sonichu Medallion, WITH MEGASTONE|medallion]].<ref>https://archive.is/2AfIj</ref>

At an unknown point, Ren deleted his Twitter account. Ren created a new Twitter account in [[April 2024]], and would backtrack and announce his "retirement" from enabling Chris in [[May 2024]].<ref>https://archive.is/GJTpW</ref><ref>https://archive.is/apn4r</ref>

In [[November 2024]], when asked about what happened to Ren, Chris made a remark about "a fun memory" and said he hasn't been in touch with him that much.<ref>[[Jesus Christ Chan - Shadow Generations Speed Run]]</ref>

In [[December 2024]], Ren released another commissioned drawing on [[Bluesky]] of ''Persona 5'' characters.<ref>https://bsky.app/profile/ryghteousren99.bsky.social/post/3lbxxgf36uk2f ([https://archive.fo/h9Sna archive])</ref><ref>https://bsky.app/profile/ryghteousren99.bsky.social/post/3lco65hmkfs2g ([https://archive.fo/ujT2N archive])</ref>

===Sarah and Steven===
[[File:Sarahchu.jpg|thumb|Sarahchu]]
{{quote|Remember, if you are ever in trouble or need help (before we're able to move) just message us first! I'm afraid other people could not be very trusted.|Part of a message Sarah and Steve wrote to Chris.}}
[[File:SnSoverit.png|thumb|150px|left|Let this be a lesson to all would-be enablers.]]

'''Sarah and Steven''' were a pair of half-hearted enablers, working jointly, who first appeared in [[February 2019]] when they discussed a [[Rosechu]] [[medallion]] with Chris, as well as the possibility of meeting him in person, on Twitter.<ref>[[:File:Sarah and Steve ask permission to make medallion.jpg|Sarah and Steven's first appearance, 27 February 2019]]</ref> They had bought a [[Nintendo Switch]] for Chris and supported him on Patreon, yet their attempts to keep themselves anonymous and out of public view were derailed by Chris himself when he [[Very Cool Birthday Present! :)|filmed himself with the new console and revealed their secret plans]] to move to [[Virginia]] and isolate Chris from other contacts to make him dependent upon them. After this, they disappeared for a month, setting a trend that would mark a pattern in all future cycles of interactions with Chris.

In [[May 2019]], Sarah and Steven returned, professing themselves as believers in Chris's [[Chris and his ego|personality cult]],<ref>http://archive.fo/rc9aN</ref> and again sought to malign him against the [[Guard Dogs]] by presenting themselves as exclusively trustworthy.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File_talk:Sarah_and_Steve_DM_messages_1.png</ref> After several of their private discussions were leaked onto [[Kiwi Farms]],<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-1060#post-4782445</ref> they abandoned course again and lamented that they were swindled out of the money they had freely given Chris in their bid for influence over him; their relationship with Chris further deteriorated,<ref>[[:File:SNSjuly23rd2.png]][[:File:SNSjuly23rd3.png]]</ref> and he finally cast them aside on 25 [[July 2019]], when they raised the question of what would happen should they dare question any of Chris's teachings or beliefs.<ref>[[:File:SNSunfollowed.png]]</ref> Further attempts to reach Chris by endorsing [[Jacob Sockness]], in both [[August 2019|August]] and [[October 2019]],<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-1149#post-5140617 Random Chris updates, page 1149]</ref><ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/twitter-11-3-sockness-manipulating-chris-to-trust-only-him-chris-turns-against-null.62825/ Thread on Sockness's attempts to isolate Chris, 3 November 2019]</ref> have to date all ended in failure.

In [[March 2021]], Chris revealed their OC, called Sarahchu, born from a Lopunny Pokémon and a [[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]]; she is a part-poison type.

===William Waterman===
{{Autistic}}
{{quote|Do you Ever Stop?|[[Chris]], annoyed at Waterman constantly posting comments on his Facebook updates}}

[[Image:William_Elliott_Waterman.jpg|thumb|200px|right|Waterman, a.k.a. VikingBoyBilly]]

'''William Elliott Waterman''' was a [[Facebook]] friend of [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] during the mid 2010s, known for making many comments of support, occasional advice, and [[autism|off-topic remarks]] on Chris's posts, and for being repeatedly unfriended. He has also purchased artwork from Chris, including [[Sonichu 0|the first issue of ''Sonichu'']] and has been a supporter on [[Patreon]].

Chris and Waterman apparently met online, through Waterman's cousin and one of Chris's most well-known enablers, [[Anna McLerran]]. They never met in person, and Chris initiated the friend request after correspondence with Waterman,<ref>[[August 2013 Facebook Posts#William Elliott Waterman's FUTURE MESSAGE]]</ref> despite him being [[JERKS|male]] and having [[Asperger syndrome]]. Waterman's first activity on Chris's Facebook timeline is from May [[2013]].<ref>[[May_2013_Facebook_Posts#This_cold_is_really_weighing_me_down]]</ref>

In [[November 2015]], Waterman tried to claim that Chris was under his control and would not make any more statuses or videos until the administration of [[Kiwi Farms]] gave into demands he made. Chris, refusing to be part of Waterman's retarded schemes, posted on Facebook that he had control over his own life,<ref>[[November_2015_Facebook_Posts#I_Control_My_Life|Facebook post]]</ref> and then promptly unfriended Waterman. By [[June 2016]], Waterman had wormed his way back into being re-added. Later that month, at Waterman's request, Chris began reading [[:Category:Rainbows, Unicorns, and a Bluebird of Happiness|Rainbows, Unicorns, and a Bluebird of Happiness]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-reads-unicorns-rainbows-and-a-bluebird-of-happiness.21663/page-9#post-1534383</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/chris-reads-unicorns-rainbows-and-a-bluebird-of-happiness.21663/page-24#post-1563368</ref> Shortly after Chris had read chapter four of that fanfic, he unfriended Waterman again.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-9-yt-announcement_20160709.22293/page-7#post-1586578</ref> In [[Announcement 20160709]], Chris revealed that he was angry at "Mr. Bill" for suggesting that he read the story, which Chris found to be nonsensical. Three weeks later, Chris re-added him to his friend list again.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-7-28-tranny-status-updates.22924/page-3#post-1633317</ref> Days after he reappeared on Chris's Facebook comments section, Chris began a new series of fanfic-reading videos called [[Reading: "A Girl Who Brought Down the World", "And Apparently Survived a Housefire"]].

Waterman paid Chris to insert his [[OC]] [[Bananasauros]] into [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], where the character moves in with [[Punchy Sonichu]] and has sex with an opposite-gender clone. Chris apparently found Bananasauros so asinine he couldn't resist inserting his own criticisms into the comic. Despite being personally insulted by Chris in the very set of pages he had paid for, as well as on Patreon's comments section,<ref>[[July_2017_Patreon_posts#Ripping_off_MLP]]</ref> Waterman continued to be a loyal supporter, donating monthly to Chris for some time, though eventually ending his pledge.

With the revelation of Chris engaging in [[Affair with Mother|incest]] with his mother, Waterman declared on the former’s Facebook page that he was done with Chris.

==References==
<references/>
{{articleofthenow}}
{{Fantasies}}
{{People}}
[[Category:Chris's customers]]
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]
[[Category:People]]

File:Philipavatar.png

2026-09-06T00:01:53Z

Cottonmather: Philip Paymo's Mii, used as his profile image on YouTube.

== Summary ==
Philip Paymo's Mii, used as his profile image on YouTube.

A Tribute to Peter Cullen from JCWCSP

2026-09-05T16:52:19Z

Cottonmather: Seems like he might be important at this point

'''A Tribute to Peter Cullen from JCWCSP''' is a video published to [[Chris]]'s [[YouTube]] channel on 5 [[September 2026]]. The video features updated intro and outro screens created by [[enabler]] and [[carpetbagger]] Philip Paymo.

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = A Tribute to Peter Cullen from JCWCSP
| video = {{#ev:youtube|EFPNffKmBc4}}
| stardate = 5 [[September 2026]]
| subject = {{television|text}}
| style = {{Reason|text}}, {{Crazy|text}}, {{Tragedy|text}}
| Saga =
| shirt = {{theclassic4.0|text}}
| previous =
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===Description===
{{quotebox|This is a nonprofit, non-monetized video with inspiration of and in honor of Peter Cullen (of the 1218 Earth half) who voiced Optimus Prime and a whole number of other individuals of various media.

(Subtitled version of this video is not available)

The clip show includsportions of videos that were all found on YouTube; links are right below:

The Many Voices of Peter Cullen (45+ Characters Featured) HD High Quality 
• The Many Voices of Peter Cullen (45+ Chara...

2024 Table Read of Episode 1 of Transformers G1. Frank Welker & Peter Cullen (delisted by Hasbro? 
• 2024 Table Read of Episode 1 of Transforme...

Gobots Stallion and Stinger - Episode 49 Fitor to the Finish 
• Gobots Stallion and Stinger - Episode 49 ...

Transformers Legacy United Merged Light Powered Cwclight Review: 
• Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Gwenmi Mi...

Go Transformers - Theme of Transformers of Cwcville - Music Video 
• Go Transformers - Theme of Transformers of...

Playlist for Transformers Legacy United Merged figures: 
• Transformers Legacy United Merged Cwclight...

Past Ideas Reemerging movie playlist: 
• Transformers - Past Ideas Reemerging

Follow me on BlueSky: 
https://bsky.app/profile/cpujcwcsprim...

You can buy Transformers toys and accessories at BigBadToyStore 
https://www.bigbadtoystore.com/

Official Cwclight Website, Blog and Store 
https://officialsonichu.com/

Official Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Etsy Store 
https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWC...

Updated JCWCSP Intro and Outro image provided by [[Philip Paymo]]}}

==Transcript==
{{transcript}}

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[]]|nextlink=[[]]}}
[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2026]]
[[Category:Videos Christian uploaded to YouTube]]

Cameo

2026-09-03T23:44:38Z

Cottonmather: Cameo apparently has an option for dynamic pricing, which automatically raises the price if there's a high volume of orders at once; I'm guessing that's what Chris enabled

{{Protip|Buying anything from Chris is not recommended, knowing his history of failure to [[Dox|keep customers' information private]]. It is wise to [[Passive observers|not get involved]].}}

[[File:Chris's Cameo profile picture 4 February 2026.png|thumb|200px|Chris's Cameo profile picture.]]
'''{{w|Cameo (website)|Cameo}}''' is a website that allows [[fans]] to send some basic information to celebrities, who then use that to send personalized video messages to fans' friends, loved ones, or to the fans themselves. [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] is certainly [[Paid Video Requests|no stranger to the concept]].

Chris joined the platform on 4 [[February 2026]], the same day he joined [[Ko-fi]], setting ''Sonichu Author, Artist and Creator'' as his job description, not so subtly being desperate for quick [[money]]. Chris opened with a limited supply of 50 video requests for $25 each, though raised the price to $30 in under an hour, after about 11 requests were fulfilled. He also set prices of $300+ for a "business video" and $4.99 to send messages. Chris usually gets 5 star reviews after completing Cameo videos by those who commissioned him. After his first day, he deemed it a good experience and announced a further 25 requests for sale.<ref>[[February 2026 social media posts#Cameo a success]]</ref> Chris continued doing Cameo videos for the following weeks until 16 February 2026. He took an over month long break before returning to record Cameo videos consistently from 19 March to 1 May 2026. After that, he took a long hiatus that was expected to end on 3 August 2026, but he instead resumed recording about a month earlier on 4 [[July 2026]]. In July 2026, Chris likely enabled dynamic pricing on his Cameo account, causing the price of a video to fluctuate depending on demand.

==More about Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime==
{{quotebox|CwcvilleGuarduan is my [[YouTube]] Channel; I've made some fun videos, art and songs. I am a soul-found [[autistic]] individual with many a passion and inspiring insights and words to offer. As well as [[Random-access humor|humor]].<ref>Chris later replaced "As well as humor" with "I also do [[tarot]]."</ref>}}

Chris set his [[birthday|birth date]] as 24 [[February 1982]] and his [[Zodiac]] sign as a Pisces. The profile also states he joined on 4 [[February 2026]].

==Availability notices==
{{quotebox|time=2 [[May 2026]]|Unavailable for personalized videos until [[August 2026|08/03/2026]]. "I’ll be back on later this year. Be safe and well, and go forth with that which is Light Powered, Holy and Good. [[⚡️💙⚡️]]"}}

{{References}}

==External links==
* [https://www.cameo.com/jchristchansp Chris's Cameo account]
{{Paid Videos}}
{{The Internet}}
{{BusinessList}}
[[Category:Websites]]
[[Category:Business]]

Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW

2026-09-01T13:32:54Z

Cottonmather: Incredibly outdated at this point

'''Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW''' is a [[video]] posted to Youtube on 9 [[July 2021]]. In it, Chris requests that [[Fan|his viewers]] help him raise [[money]] via a GoFundMe campaign so that he can go to [[Everfree Northwest]] 2021, a ''[[My Little Pony]]'' convention that takes place in Washington State.

On 30 July, two weeks prior to the convention, Everfree Northwest [[List of places that have banned Chris|banned]] Chris from attending<ref>[[The Knights of CWC chats (July 2021)#Chris's Final Messages in the Knights Server]]</ref> in the wake of leaked chats in which Chris described [[Affair with Mother|incestuous acts on his mother]], which first occurred weeks before this video was uploaded.

The GoFundMe was organized by [[Null]] and asked for $1,000. The description stated that the flight would cost $750 and that the remainder would go towards expenses while in Seattle. It reached its $1000 goal 6 hours after going live. The Fundraiser would be closed on 13 July 2021, after it had reached $5,000. The fundraiser raised a total of $5,085 before the option to donate was disabled.<ref>https://archive.is/TehcZ</ref> On 31 July, Null announced in an update to the GoFundMe that the money would be refunded to donors following Everfree's banning of Chris.
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==Video==

{{Infobox/video
| name = Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW
| ytid = 2pEZDxiClfg
| stardate = 9 [[July 2021]]
| subject = {{Convention|text}} {{Business|text}} {{(Handouts)|text}}
| style = {{Reason|text}}
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| other =
| previous = [[Chris talking about the Binding of Isaac]]
| next = [[Paid Shout Out to Lifeguard Hermit]]
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===Description===

{{quotebox|https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-chrischan-get-to-evergreen-ponycon}}

The description was later updated to:

{{quotebox|Commissioned drawings and shout out videos are offered as part of the GoFundMe.
https://www.gofundme.com/f/help-chrischan-get-to-evergreen-ponycon}}

===Transcript===

[''starting out with a strong falsetto''] Hello everybodyyy, this is Christine Chandler coming to you live from home once agaiiin~! I'll give you a [[Captain's Log]]: "stardate [''looks at watch''] 7-8-2021." There you go. [''laughs''] Just an old-time callback.

Anyway, I am recording this today of one particular very important insightful interest: [''holds up artwork on clipboard''] '''Everfreeeee!-''' Northwest." Over in the state of Washington. Over in Bellevue. I'm going to be there. I'm gonna be there! And I'm lookin' forward to meeting you all there buuuut- [''lowers artwork and momentarily raises finger to chin ''] though I am partially set up, I'm gonna need like a ''few'' more dollars to make sure I'm still covered for [[Toys|everything else I'm gonna need]] over the lovely weekend. ''Lovely weekend''.

Anyway, so, I got a lovely gu- got a [[Null|lovely guy]] who's helping me out. Keepin' [[Chris and money|my money]] organized and situated and everything. There'll be a GoFundMe by the time this video is uploaded, and you'll be able [to] donate that directly- he's managing it. And he's gonna do a very good job; I have faith in this guy- I have faith in 'im. Hey, I wouldn't throw a [[Kiwi Farms|kiwi]] at him or anything.

But anyway, aside from that, I got everything mostly prepared like I said, so yeah. I got my gaiter in case I need to [''covers mouth with hand''] ''cover up''. But I got the most important ticket- this convention ticket [''briefly raises lanyard with a [[COVID-19]] vaccination record card on it, and a note beneath it reading "She/Her pronouns"''] so, only if I reeeally need to. And, got my lovely gloves. [''holds up fingerless gloves, shaking them''] ''lovely, lovely, lovely gloves!'' Keep my fingers freeeeee for [[TooManyGames#Kicked out|touch-touch-touch-touch-touch!]] Mm, that's on my phone though, obviously- I mean [''blows fart with tongue'']. Mm.

Anyway, so, EVERFREE NORTHWEST is gonna be whole bunch of individuals and whatnot- artists and wha- and anybody- everybody from the brony community. It is IN-'''persooooon'''! Amongst the very, very first in-person convention since the frickin' pandemic resonated and started a couple of Novembers ago or so. Anyway, it's gonna be an awesome time. I'm lookin' forward to meeting everybody, seeing the ol' favorite celeb- old favorite people that I like- you know, from my favorite- Alice and other people I've gotten to know over the past year or two- through their videos, binging 'em and whatnot. Got a few more favorites in mind. And just lookin' forward to meetin' all of you- all of you lovely people who are gonna be there. My fans and art appreciators and aficionaaados and everything. But yeah, I'm approachable. Hugs are free. Only making sure you're fully vaccinated though, so [''raises vaccine card again''] mm- make sure you show the guys at the door your convention ticket.
'
So aside from that, yeah. I need a '''''few bucks'''''. Like a few '''''extra thousand''''' to help me [''itches nose''] with the weekend. [''itches nose some more''] I'm sorry, I had an i- I really have an itch on my nose- this is ''not'' a body language or anything, I wanna emphasize that clearly. But yeah, for food, for additional details and transportation and a hotel- ''additional details'', mind you- and just, whatever else- whatever else and... yeeeah, a little bit of swag, I wanna be able to share some of this- share a little bit for the arts as well. Hey, [[Chris and art|I'm an artist]], and I appreciate and support ''all'' other artists. Okay? They're insightful. They're linked to the other [[dimensions]] as much as I am, if not... on matching levels, cuz, I'm overpowered, obviously. But anyway, so, ''Everfree Northwest!''... Um... I'm tryna remember the dates in my noggin right now, but- it's the ssssecond weekend in August, so, I'm hopin' to see y'all there, and I'm lookin' forward to meeting such lovely new people and seeing lovely old people again- I don't mean old as in elderly, though they need compassion and respect, too, mind you. [''sighs'']

But aside from that, Everfree Northwest. Come on down and give me a hand to get there, please. I am heavy at work at this time, so... At this time, but at the convention I'm gonna have a good time and I'm gonna be even more busy. I'm lookin' forward to seein' y'all there! I'd like a hand! Thank you very much.

==The GofundMe==
{{See also|Everfree Northwest#Funding}}

The GoFundMe is organized by [[Null]]. Its description reads:

{{quotebox|This is a fundraiser to help send Christine Weston Chandler to the Everfree NW My Little Pony convention. Christine / Chris / Chris-Chan is considered one of the most documented people in human history thanks to enormous volumes of online encyclopedias written about Chris and Sonichu, a comic series that Chris has worked on since highschool. This documentation started during the early years of the Internet and never stopped. Chris also really likes MLP, and has been a fan since 2007: many years before it was popularized in Gen 4.

Chris already has tickets and a hotel reservation, but has never traveled cross-country before. This is organized by Joshua Moon. I have been in light contact with Chris for about 7 years and have previously helped Chris deal with serious problems in that time.

Originally, Chris planned to make the 41-hour-long journey from Ruckersville, VA to Seattle, WA alone, crossing the badlands and Rocky Mountains both ways in an old minivan. That was a very bad idea, so instead, we're setting up a GoFundMe to help buy a plane ticket.

The roundtrip flight will cost $750 and has already been reserved. Extra money will be put towards expenses while in Seattle. If the GoFundMe greatly exceeds $1000, the overflow will be held for emergencies.

To reward contributors, '''Chris has agreed to do shout out videos and drawings for donors.''' I have been assured that these will be done and have stressed to Chris that completing these rewards is crucial to doing more things like this in the future. There is an understanding and I have confidence rewards will be completed.

'''Any$''' - Your name will be read out on a thank-you video after the GFM is concluded.

'''$40''' - Shout out video from Chris

'''$40''' - Character drawing.

'''$60''' - Both a shout out video from Chris and a character drawing.

If you would like a drawing mailed to you, please add '''$5''' extra for shipping and handling.

Chris did a drawing for me. Here's an example of what you might get:

[[File:July9Artwork.jpg|300px]]

Please keep in mind that while I can make sure every order is fulfilled, what you receive may not be what you expect. Your shoutout / drawing could exceed your expectations, fall short, or be something totally weird and unpredictable. Chris is just like that: roll with it.

Thank you for your help in sending Chris out to have fun and for furthering Chris's childhood dreams of becoming a professional artist.}}

===Update 1===

Null later posted an update to the campaign shortly after it had reached its $1,000 goal.

{{quotebox|Thank you for your support in sending Chris to Everfree NW. I also appreciate all the enthusiasm shown for giving Chris an opportunity to make art and do shout outs for this money. I share your enthusiasm and will be organizing your requests so that Chris can easily fulfill them.

If you donated $40+ dollars for a reward, please contact me through GoFundMe with the details of what you'd like your drawing to be, and/or who your shout out should be made to.

I'll arrange the shipping of physical orders after the GoFundMe is closed. The final thank you video will also be posted before the convention date (August 13th, probably sooner). I'll keep the GoFundMe open until either the interest has dropped off, or Chris feels overwhelmed by the workload, whichever comes first.

Attached is the first request fulfilled as an example.

[[File:GoFundMeArt1.jpg|300px]]

[''External link to the [[Paid Shout Out to Lifeguard Hermit]] video'']}}

===Update 2===

On 12 [[July 2021]], Null posted a second update to the fundraiser.

{{quotebox|Over the weekend, Chris completed 10 orders. The three I've picked out are my favorites of the bunch. Chris seems comfortable doing about 5 drawings a day and recording shout out videos as they come in.

There are currently 82 donations over $40. 51 of those donors have contacted me to provide details for their request. 12 of those are marked complete or ready for shipping.

If you are in the group of 31 people who donated more than $40 but have not received an email from me confirming the details of their request, please contact me through GoFundMe if you would like a drawing or shout out. If you would also like it delivered to you and you added the $5, please include your address so I don't have to ask for it.

Chris has asked for the GoFundMe to be closed at $5000.

[[File:July12Fundraiser1.jpg|300px]] [[File:July12Fundraiser2.jpg|300px]] [[File:July12Fundraiser3.jpg|300px]]}}

===Update 3===

On 13 [[July 2021]], after $5,000 had been reached, Null would make a third update to the fundraiser.

{{quotebox|I'm pleased to announce that the $5000 stretch goal has been reached and that GoFundMe has verified the campaign so that it can proceed with the payout. The plane ticket has been purchased and Chris will be going to Everfree NW!

I will be posting updates on the progress of rewards, but will not be accepting more contributions so that the workload stays manageable for Chris. I won't accept additional requests made by email; if Chris wants to do more orders, it will be announced via Twitter @CPU_CWCSonichu

Thank you for your support and I look forward to sharing the rewards with everyone as they're made.}}

===Update 4===
21 July

{{quotebox|Progress report:

The GoFundMe received 115 donations. 94 donated enough to receive a reward. 70 of those people have put in a request. 45 of them have already received their drawing or shout out video. Only 1 person has requested a refund.

If you're one of those 24 who donated enough for a reward but have not contacted me with your request, please do so immediately. I will not accept any more requests once we start shipping drawings.}}

===Update 5===
31 July

{{quotebox|On July 30th, audio and text messages leaked between Chris and [[Isabella Loretta Janke|an unknown woman]] where [[Incest call|Chris confessed to aggressive sexual behavior towards his mother]]. He has since been removed from his home and separated by an [[Emergency Protective Order|emergency protective order]] which will last until August 5th. The audio and text messages are authentic.

Everfree NW has since revoked his ticket to the convention. The GoFundMe no longer serves a legitimate purpose. As such, I am refunding all donations.

No drawing will be shipped. If you received a digital copy of your commission or shout out video, it's yours to keep. I will be deleting my ledger of customer names and addresses after the refund has finished.

This GoFundMe was my test to see if Chris could responsibly handle commissions. His success and commitment towards fulfilling these orders surprised me (in a good way), and indicated that it would be possible for him to stabilize his income and live comfortably off his work. This recent revelation is a massive Black Swan event and I am still internally processing it.}}

===Update 6===
28 August

{{quotebox|I have been informed that the refunds have been sent. Everybody should get 100% of their money back.

Thank you for your interest in this project and your support. I was surprised with the tenacious way Chris tackled his responsibilities and was happy with his work. I'm very sorry it ended this way and I still can barely believe it - and just when it started to look like he was learning and could be trusted in some ways.}}

==Gallery==

<center><gallery>
File:July9EverfreeNWArt1.jpg|Chris's artwork for when he announced he was going to attend Everfree Northwest.
File:July9EverfreeNWArt2.jpg|
File:July9Artwork.jpg|A drawing for [[Null]].
File:GoFundMeArt1.jpg|The first commissioned piece of artwork.
File:July12Fundraiser1.jpg|Sneed
File:July10PonyArtwork.jpg|
File:July14Art1.jpg|
File:July11TarotCards.jpg|
File:July11PaidArtwork.jpg|"Free as a bird."
File:July11Shitpost2.jpg|
File:July12Fundraiser3.jpg|Another fender-bender in progress.
File:July12Artwork.jpg|Kelsey Grammer and David Hyde.
File:July13Artwork1.jpg|
File:July13Artwork2.jpg|[[The Simpsons|Homer Simpson]] doing the Freddie Freaker pose.
File:July14PortalArt.jpg|Ponies and portals.
File:July17ToffeeAndPunchyArt.jpg|Toffee and Punchy on a date.
File:July18CommissionArt.jpg|
File:July18RosechuZapina.jpg|
File:July19Kwai-KonArtwork.jpg|
File:July20MrSandManArt.jpg|
File:July20KingGeradArt.jpg|King Gerard
File:July22LastSupperArt1.jpg|
File:July22LastSupperArt2.jpg|Chris's Last Supper. Note that Judas is [[Chris and race|portrayed as a]] [[niggo]].
File:July25ConcertArtwork.jpg|A Chris and the Hedgehog Zaps concert.
File:July26DonaldTrumpArtwork.jpg|Chris and Sonichu being angry at [[Pmurt]] for being tall.
File:July28BeautyArtwork.jpg|The last currently public piece of commissioned artwork released before the [[Incest call]] was leaked.
File:Jess's Birthday Surprise.jpg|Retrieved from 14 Branchland Court and listed on [[OfficialCWCmart]] in October 2023.
File:Ottomanchu.jpg|Request by [[Kaya Orsan]]. Retrieved and listed for sale in [[July 2026]].
</gallery></center>

==Monetizing the artwork==
After Chris was released from jail, he retrieved from [[14 Branchland Court]] the artwork he had done as commissions. Since the fundraiser had been cancelled in the wake of Chris's arrest for [[incest]], Chris never finished it and did not mail out the artwork to the original buyers (who had received refunds from organizer [[Null]]).

The drawings were listed on [[OfficialCWCmart]] under the heading "[[2021 Lost Commissions]]" on 15 [[October 2023]] with prices ranging from $125-$200. Another was listed in [[July 2026]].<ref>[[2026 Sales Listings#Worms Not Rockin' in Constantinople: 2021 Commissioned Art]]</ref>

==See also==
*[[List of conventions attended by Chris]]

==References==
<references/>

[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2021]]
[[Category:Videos Christian uploaded to YouTube]]

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[Chris talking about the Binding of Isaac]]|nextlink=[[Paid Shout Out to Lifeguard Hermit]]}}

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{{Captain's Log}}
{{BusinessList}}
[[Category:CWC drawings, 2021]]

2025

2026-08-22T00:56:47Z

Cottonmather: Better image

[[File:CWC-Closeup-EDP2025.jpg|thumb|Chris in 2025, appearing in ''[[The Sick Mind of EDP445]]''.|400px]]

'''2025''' is the seventeenth year since [[Chris]]'s discovery. Chris continued to promote his custom ''[[Transformers]]'', publishing dozens of videos to YouTube. The year started off with the [[Charlottesville Fashion Square]], a big part of Chris's youth and young adulthood and another place he was [[List of places that have banned Chris|permanently banned]] from, having closed its doors for good. His association with [[Flutter]] is still currently ongoing with at least four more trips with her in [[Finland]].

==January==
{{main|January 2025}}
[[File:OfficialCWCmart - KingCobraJFS commission 21 January 2025.png|thumb|Art from January 2025]]
Chris made himself exceedingly scarce in the first month of the year, going unseen by anyone for the first time since [[October 2024]]. Throughout the month he would upload three more reviews of his kitbashed figurines. On the 18th, it was discovered through a search made by a CWCki editor that FamilySearch held a detailed record of Chris's family tree, appearing to confirm that he was indeed of [[Ancient_leader_of_the_Cherokee_Clan#Actual_Cherokee_ancestor|distant Cherokee ancestry]] and putting paid to claims he made almost twenty years ago. On the 20th, [[Pmurt]] was sworn in as President of the United States, much to Chris's dismay. On the 31st, the [[Charlottesville Fashion Square]], foremost [[Love Quest]] haunt and the center of much of Chris's young and adult life, closed its doors for good after 45 years of service.

==February==
{{main|February 2025}}
[[File:OfficialCWCmart_-_Sonichu_and_Rosechu_Talking_Plushes2.jpg|thumb|Chris in February 2025]]

On the first of the month, Chris uploaded a rambling, lore-laden post to Cwclight, titled [[CWC Blog (Cwclight)#The Autobots of Cwcville|The Autobots of Cwcville]]. February 4th saw Chris teasing his new [[OfficialCWCmart#Sonichu_and_Rosechu_COMBO_-Talking_Plushes|talking Sonichu and Rosechu plushes]], officially announcing them on the 6th. Chris and [[Flutter]] were spotted again in public [[Sightings_(2025)#February|at a pet store]] on the 14th. February 24th saw Chris reaching his 43rd birthday; on the same day, [[Barb|Barbara]] was also photographed and recorded speaking to visitors for the first time since [[January 2024]].

==March==
{{main|March 2025}}
[[Image:Chris, age 43.png|thumb|left|Chris in March 2025]]
On March 14th, Chris ended his YouTube hiatus by posting two videos, one in which he read a previously unreleased chapter of a Sonichu story, and a livestream of him playing [[Sonic the Hedgehog (2006)|''Sonic the Hedgehog'' (2006)]]; this playthrough was continued on the 29th. This month saw the 25th anniversary of Sonichu's creation, and marked the second full year since Chris's release from jail. Compared to recent months, Chris was considerably more active on social media, making several dozen posts across both Twitter and Bluesky. He continued to go unseen in public, save for a single unconfirmed sighting on the 17th that reportedly took place at a Food Lion in an unknown location.
==April==
{{main|April 2025}}
[[File:Chris in Finland sighting 2 April 2025.jpeg|thumb|Chris in Helsinki, April 2025]]
April saw two new additions to Chris's series of reviews of his kitbashed figurines and one new instalment of his reviews of positive comments on his Etsy page. Current information suggests that Chris spent most if not all of this month in Finland on his fourth known visit to the country, with photos and sightings emerging around this time proving that Chris had once again visited Helsinki. Outside of this, his online activity was extremely limited, making only a single post on Twitter at the very end of the month. Additionally, a new episode of ''[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]'' finally released, which included interview footage from [[March 2024]], and a portion of previously unseen writings from the [[Goddess Log]] (Chris's jail diary).

==May==
{{main|May 2025}}
[[File:Sad Chris May 2025.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in May 2025]]
Chris started out the month by giving his thoughts on drama involving [[Saberspark]] and [[ILoveKimPossibleAlot]]. A few days later, he put a copyright claim in on [[Geno Samuel]]'s ''[[Sonichu: The Animated Series (Geno Samuel)|Sonichu: The Animated Series]]'' for infringing on his right to steal copyrighted characters. His fourth trip to Finland was confirmed to be concluded a few days later, as he attended the [[Festival of Light]] in Lynchburg on 10 May. He also continued to upload more [[Light Powered Cwclight Reviews|boring and unwatchable videos]] during this month.

On 17 May, Chris would pause his gaming livestream to call a donor named [[Waltah White]]. In their nearly 20 minute chat, Chris is notably pressed for details about Big Island, Finland, and Flutter for the first time. Chris admitted to being in Big Island, but outright denied ever going to Finland, despite the overwhelming evidence. He refused to give any information about Flutter to the donor, even after being bribed with money, though he felt comfortable enough to tell him that she supposedly lives in Philadelphia and goes to university there.

Two days after the incident, Chris uploaded [[Grounded Deep Response]], a rather lengthy and [[Chris and introspection|introspective]] "apology" video in which he fails to properly take accountability. Chris [[Chris and remorse#Motivation to apologize|makes it transparent]] that he wants to be recognized for his [[Random-access humor|maturity]] and [[Transgender|growth]], which would technically be fair criticism to those who don't recognize the difference between the "classic" and more modern Chris, although he only says this because he doesn't like the way [[Weens|his viewers]] treat him (something which has been [[November 2024 social media posts#Chris talks about his audience (detractors, fake and misinformed fans)|gnawing at him for months]]). The donation money apparently wasn't enough to keep the [[stress]] from piling up, as Chris holds back tears in the video, threatening to quit doing livestreams if the treatment continues. Chris seemingly followed through with this threat, and didn't livestream again until [[January 2026]].

==June==
{{main|June 2025}}
[[File:Cwclight 2June2025.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in June 2025]]

Chris uploaded more prerecorded [[Transformers]] videos this month. On 7 June, he accidentally posted a picture which contained a partially obscured photograph of himself at an amusement park in Finland, although he hasn't acknowledged this yet. He created his very own [[AI]] chat bot replica of himself via Character.AI, sharing and endorsing the bot as a substitute for asking him questions on 8 June. The next day, the donor [[Waltah White]] repeatedly called Chris's phone, in which Chris hung up quickly, angrily saying that Walt "betrayed" him and threatened to finally block his number. Chris would then remain pretty silent for the following weeks.

==July==
{{main|July 2025}}
[[File:Chris flutter rauma 2.jpg|thumb|right|Chris in July 2025]]

Chris uploaded more prerecorded [[Transformers]] videos this month. On 23 July, he would be spotted back in Finland with Flutter, marking his fifth trip to the country. Notably, they were shopping at a market in Rauma, making it the first time they have been seen outside of the capital Helsinki.
==August==
[[File:CWC Flutter Sighting by BlockedByDaylight 1.mp400001.png|thumb|left|Chris and Flutter in August 2025]]
{{main|August 2025}}
Chris and [[Flutter]] were seen again back in America, in [[Lynchburg]] and in Red Lobster. Chris posted reviews of ''[[King of the Hill]]'' and also more tedious Transformers video.
==September ==
{{main|September 2025}}
[[File:Cwclight - JCWCSP's Microsoft Xbox One X 1TB Model 1787 Home Console Bundle - Black, Used1 - IMG 9292.png|thumb|Chris in September 2025]]
Chris addressed the supposed [[Sonichu medallion]] curse, and also [[OG Sonichu Medallion Upgraded, Rebirthed and Redeemed|destroyed his medallion and 'reforged' it from the remnants]]. He also uploaded a video claiming to [[Speaking Akashic|speak Akashic]].
==October==
{{main|October 2025}}
October saw Chris sing [[JCWCSP Sings So Need a Cute Girl, 2025|a new version of his incel anthem]] and got a shout-out on ''[[Smiling Friends]]''.
==November==
[[File:Custom Bowser Jr. medallion1.jpg|thumb|Chris with custom [[medallion]] in November 2025]]
{{main|November 2025}}
Chris revealed [[November 2025 social media posts#Chris is the Avatar, Bob's last words|Bob's last words]] and published a ton of boring [[Transformers]] content; including several different versions of the [[Go Transformers - Theme of Transformers of Cwcville - Music Video‎‎|same music video]]. He was also [[Sightings_(2025)#Target|seen at Target]].

==December==
[[File:Chris in Helsinki December 2025 (cropped screencap).png|thumb|right|Chris in December 2025]]
{{main|December 2025}}
Chris continued to upload more boring Transformers content, releasing several skit videos. He also began accepting digital drawing commissions and took another trip to Finland with Flutter this month.

{{References}}
{{timeline}}

File:CWC-Closeup-EDP2025.jpg

2026-08-22T00:52:20Z

Cottonmather: A close-up of Chris's face, from the EDP documentary.

== Summary ==
A close-up of Chris's face, from the EDP documentary.

Talk:Passive observers

2026-05-10T02:31:50Z

Cottonmather: /* Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all */

== Acknowledging the troll manipluation ==

I feel this article could mention more about the complex ethical conflicts involved in gathering information. For example, the reality of the sentence: "The Cwcki's wealth of information over the years has been gained from Chris's inability to keep information to himself, his incredible honesty has made sure we know everything we need to know without having to befriend him." is more complicated than that. Most of the CWCki's material is comprised of information such as chats/emails that Chris told to people thinking it would be kept between them, or videos that trolls manipulated him into making by misrepresenting themselves to him. By using that information, the CWCki is in a position where its editors might not directly engage with Chris, but still utilizes the information gained from those that do. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

*Solid Points, I agree.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

== Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all ==

Would it fit this article to include a section covering the common criticisms people bring up toward the idea of observing Chris/having a CWCki in the first place? It's somewhat common for people to insinuate that documenting Chris's actions and work, advertising his existence and failures to other people, or criticizing and mocking him on a dedicated website are in and of themselves a form of trolling or harassment. Another claim I've seen is that, despite explicitly discouraging contacting or harassing Chris, the CWCki and observation of Chris in general trivialize or valorize past trolling in a way that implicitly encourages it. Conversely, there are definitely some people who claim that observing and documenting Chris is immensely culturally important, a symbolic bastion of freedom of speech, or an important archival project, and ascribe disproportionate moral importance to it because of that. It seems like these conversations should be covered and/or debunked somewhere on the CWCki, and this page seems like a decent place for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Passive observers

2026-05-10T02:30:50Z

Cottonmather: /* Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all */

== Acknowledging the troll manipluation ==

I feel this article could mention more about the complex ethical conflicts involved in gathering information. For example, the reality of the sentence: "The Cwcki's wealth of information over the years has been gained from Chris's inability to keep information to himself, his incredible honesty has made sure we know everything we need to know without having to befriend him." is more complicated than that. Most of the CWCki's material is comprised of information such as chats/emails that Chris told to people thinking it would be kept between them, or videos that trolls manipulated him into making by misrepresenting themselves to him. By using that information, the CWCki is in a position where its editors might not directly engage with Chris, but still utilizes the information gained from those that do. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

*Solid Points, I agree.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

== Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all ==

Would it fit this article to include a section covering the common criticisms people bring up toward the idea of observing Chris/having a CWCki in the first place? It's somewhat common for people to insinuate that documenting Chris's actions and work, advertising his existence and failures to other people, or criticizing and mocking him on a dedicated website are in and of themselves a form of trolling or harassment. Another claim I've seen is that, despite explicitly discouraging contacting or harassing Chris, the CWCki and observation of Chris in general trivialize or valorize past trolling in a way that implicitly encourages it. Conversely, there are definitely some people who claim that the CWCki is immensely culturally important, a symbolic bastion of freedom of speech, or an important archival project, and ascribe disproportionate moral importance to it because of that. It seems like these conversations should be covered and/or debunked somewhere on the CWCki, and this page seems like a decent place for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Passive observers

2026-05-10T02:23:59Z

Cottonmather: /* Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all */

== Acknowledging the troll manipluation ==

I feel this article could mention more about the complex ethical conflicts involved in gathering information. For example, the reality of the sentence: "The Cwcki's wealth of information over the years has been gained from Chris's inability to keep information to himself, his incredible honesty has made sure we know everything we need to know without having to befriend him." is more complicated than that. Most of the CWCki's material is comprised of information such as chats/emails that Chris told to people thinking it would be kept between them, or videos that trolls manipulated him into making by misrepresenting themselves to him. By using that information, the CWCki is in a position where its editors might not directly engage with Chris, but still utilizes the information gained from those that do. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

*Solid Points, I agree.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

== Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all ==

Would it fit this article to include a section covering the common criticisms people bring up toward the idea of observing Chris/having a CWCki in the first place? It's somewhat common for people to insinuate that documenting Chris's actions and work, advertising his existence and failures to other people, or criticizing and mocking him on a dedicated website are in and of themselves a form of trolling or harassment. Conversely, there are definitely some people who claim that the CWCki is immensely culturally important, a symbolic bastion of freedom of speech, or an important archival project, and ascribe disproportionate moral importance to it because of that. It seems like these conversations should be covered and/or debunked somewhere on the CWCki, and this page seems like a decent place for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Passive observers

2026-05-10T02:22:32Z

Cottonmather: /* Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all */

== Acknowledging the troll manipluation ==

I feel this article could mention more about the complex ethical conflicts involved in gathering information. For example, the reality of the sentence: "The Cwcki's wealth of information over the years has been gained from Chris's inability to keep information to himself, his incredible honesty has made sure we know everything we need to know without having to befriend him." is more complicated than that. Most of the CWCki's material is comprised of information such as chats/emails that Chris told to people thinking it would be kept between them, or videos that trolls manipulated him into making by misrepresenting themselves to him. By using that information, the CWCki is in a position where its editors might not directly engage with Chris, but still utilizes the information gained from those that do. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

*Solid Points, I agree.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

== Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all ==

Would it fit this article to include a section covering the common criticisms people bring up toward the idea of observing Chris/having a CWCki in the first place? It's somewhat common for people to insinuate that documenting Chris's actions and work, advertising his existence and failures to other people, or criticizing and mocking him on a dedicated website are in and of themselves a form of trolling or harassment. Conversely, there are definitely some people who claim that the CWCki is immensely culturally important, a symbolic bastion of freedom of speech, or an important archival project, and argue some level of moral necessity for it because of that. It seems like these conversations should be covered and/or debunked somewhere on the CWCki, and this page seems like a decent place for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Passive observers

2026-05-10T02:21:34Z

Cottonmather: /* Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all */

== Acknowledging the troll manipluation ==

I feel this article could mention more about the complex ethical conflicts involved in gathering information. For example, the reality of the sentence: "The Cwcki's wealth of information over the years has been gained from Chris's inability to keep information to himself, his incredible honesty has made sure we know everything we need to know without having to befriend him." is more complicated than that. Most of the CWCki's material is comprised of information such as chats/emails that Chris told to people thinking it would be kept between them, or videos that trolls manipulated him into making by misrepresenting themselves to him. By using that information, the CWCki is in a position where its editors might not directly engage with Chris, but still utilizes the information gained from those that do. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

*Solid Points, I agree.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

== Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all ==

Would it fit this article to include a section covering the common criticisms people bring up toward the idea of observing Chris/having a CWCki in the first place? It's somewhat common for people to insinuate that documenting Chris's actions and work, advertising his existence and failures to other people, or criticizing and mocking him on a dedicated website are in and of themselves a form of trolling or harassment. Conversely, there are definitely some people who claim that the CWCki is immensely culturally important or an important archival project and argue some level of moral necessity for it because of that. It seems like these conversations should be covered and/or debunked somewhere on the CWCki, and this page seems like a decent place for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Passive observers

2026-05-10T02:18:39Z

Cottonmather: /* Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all */

== Acknowledging the troll manipluation ==

I feel this article could mention more about the complex ethical conflicts involved in gathering information. For example, the reality of the sentence: "The Cwcki's wealth of information over the years has been gained from Chris's inability to keep information to himself, his incredible honesty has made sure we know everything we need to know without having to befriend him." is more complicated than that. Most of the CWCki's material is comprised of information such as chats/emails that Chris told to people thinking it would be kept between them, or videos that trolls manipulated him into making by misrepresenting themselves to him. By using that information, the CWCki is in a position where its editors might not directly engage with Chris, but still utilizes the information gained from those that do. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

*Solid Points, I agree.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

== Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all ==

Would it fit this article to include a section covering the common criticisms people bring up toward the idea of observing Chris/having a CWCki in the first place? It's somewhat common for people to insinuate that documenting Chris's actions and work, advertising his existence and failures to other people, or criticizing and mocking him on a dedicated website are in and of themselves a form of trolling or harassment. It seems like something that should be covered and/or debunked somewhere on the CWCki, and this page seems like a decent place for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Passive observers

2026-05-10T02:17:51Z

Cottonmather: /* Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all */ new section

== Acknowledging the troll manipluation ==

I feel this article could mention more about the complex ethical conflicts involved in gathering information. For example, the reality of the sentence: "The Cwcki's wealth of information over the years has been gained from Chris's inability to keep information to himself, his incredible honesty has made sure we know everything we need to know without having to befriend him." is more complicated than that. Most of the CWCki's material is comprised of information such as chats/emails that Chris told to people thinking it would be kept between them, or videos that trolls manipulated him into making by misrepresenting themselves to him. By using that information, the CWCki is in a position where its editors might not directly engage with Chris, but still utilizes the information gained from those that do. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:46, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

*Solid Points, I agree.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:27, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

== Section covering the common ethical questions/criticisms about observing Chris at all ==

Would it fit this article to include a section covering the common criticisms people bring up toward the idea of observing Chris/having a CWCki in the first place? It's somewhat common for people to insinuate that documenting Chris's actions and work, or criticizing and mocking him on a dedicated website, is itself a form of trolling or harassment. It seems like something that should be covered and/or debunked somewhere on the CWCki, and this page seems like a decent place for it. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:17, 9 May 2026 (EDT)

CWCki:General

2026-05-09T04:14:53Z

Cottonmather: /* Academic CWCki Project */

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

{{Community Portal}}

*[[CWCki:General/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 4|Archive 4]]

For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.

== Standards for inclusion ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
== Fan videos ==
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

==Chris and ==
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==

I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.

Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.

I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

== The future of "corner icons" ==

Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

==Gatekeepers==

There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

:Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

==New Template: To Do==

Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

:It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

== "xth year of organised trolling" ==

Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
: I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "''x'' years since Chris's discovery" rather than "''x''th year of organized trolling."[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==

Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:

{{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}

[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.

:[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

:Noticed that in the [[List of videos]], it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls [[FUTURE MESSAGE]] could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era [[Twin Falling Towers]] could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

== Contingency ==

So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

== Doxxing ==

In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.

Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

:As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.

To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere].

Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.

I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)

But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.

A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.

Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

== Potential New Direction for the Wiki. "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists" ==

Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.
(i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being "MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.

Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography

https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the

Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:

https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life

It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.

I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.

I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.

This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021
: That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Conflicts of interest ==

Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on [[Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

== Barbara station ==

Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called [[Barbara]]… {{w|Barbara (Paris Métro)|in Paris}}. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Icons modernisation ==

I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{tl|Saga}} template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:
* The icons should use the PNG file format.
* The icons should have a transparent background.
* The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
* The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
* The icons should have a file name format of {{Code|Saga icon [Saga Name].png}}.
I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era ([https://www.howtogeek.com/733912/a-visual-history-of-windows-icons-from-windows-1-to-11/ source]). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the ''retro'' factor.

Any questions, please reply below. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)

== Non-YouTube videos ==

I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)

== Endangered/extinct? links/websites ==

I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.

CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?

Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.

Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon.
[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)

:Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.

:Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as [[July 2013 Facebook Posts]]; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link). Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found [[Special:LinkSearch|here]]

::I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

:::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

== Pages for Kiwi Farms posts ==

Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]], [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]], etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

: We could do that, but there are other pages such as [[CWCki Forums]] and [[GameFAQs]] that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.

:Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the [[Kiwi Farms]] page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Man In The Pickle Suit]], [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]], etc".[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)

::I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to [[Kiwi Farms]] page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)

::: I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)

:My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying]] which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)

::I created a page for [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]]. If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)

== Generation IX Pokémon ==

Hey CWCki editors, {{w|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}} just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)

==Template for resized high quality photos==
Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like [[:Template:Needs Updating]] for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)

== Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms ==

There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
:https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])
::Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
:::apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])

== Contact discouragement protips ==

Some articles like for [[Michael Snyder]] have those protips at the tops saying not to contact. I don't really think it's necessary to have those in articles. For one thing, the approach is flawed because only some people have them, so it creates bias issues when one person has it and not another. The solution could be to add protips to every person who ever got involved with Chris, but that's a lot of pages to deal with. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

: I would prefer to keep them up for the most "famous" people, the ones who got dragged into early Christory through no fault of their own. From the recent deletions, that would include Megan, Mary Lee, Cole and Mike Snyder. Possibly the minor family members. These are all non-trolls (well I guess Cole trolls highly-rated films sometimes) who initially had interactions with Chris IRL, not through the Internet, and Chris genuinely doesn't know that many people IRL. By that standard it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of picking and choosing. Also leaving the warnings up may help deter newcomers from contacting them trying to get more Chris stories, particularly when we're in a lengthy content drought like now. My opinion, no one has to agree. Thanks. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 05:49, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::Looking over the [[:Template:People|People]] template, it looks like there would still be several who meet that criteria. Like Rocky, the elementary school principal, possibly the defense lawyers, etc. Megan has also given interviews, so she went back into Christory voluntarily. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:08, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::: Maybe a new, shared "Do Not Contact" template for all of these people? I'd be happy to go through and add it to all the pages. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 12:52, 23 June 2024 (EDT)
:::What if we just add to the Main page somewhere, like where it says, "We highly advise against seeking out Chris in any way." Could add "and anyone associated with him", or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:53, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

:::: That sounds good. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 17:37, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

== Misc art ==

Anyone have any suggestions for improving how CWCki catalogs misc comics/drawings? I've been going through and creating new articles for misc comics and filing them into the [[:Template:Sonichu]]. Since most of Chris's drawings have dates on them, maybe something could be done with the CWChronology pages or with categories or something.

The video pages have an extensive setup and I think the drawings could have something like that too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:31, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

: On a related note, I think we should improve our catalog of photos of Chris. The related categories seem like they haven't been touched in ages, and some really notable Chris photos have proven difficult for me to find at times.
: Honestly, maybe it would be a good idea to make art, photo, and music pages in the same style as the Videos page. Make it a series sort of like the "Chris and" pages. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 19:10, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::Agreed. I'm not sure where we'd begin with updating the categories. You mean the [[List of videos]] page? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:01, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::: Yeah, exactly. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:00, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::I like the idea, though I'm not sure how we'd go about it. I think an omni list like that would have to be in text format like List of Videos is. Otherwise if we try to put all photos onto a single page it will be too resource heavy. [[Chris in the media]] had that problem before a huge chunk got split to the podcasts page. Do you have something in mind? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:59, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::: For music, I think we could keep the exact same format as List of Videos. For photos/art, it'd probably be best to organize that into gallery pages based on date and/or subject matter and then make a master list page to link to subsections on those. That would be consistent with how we handled the [[Praetor Jail Art]]. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 09:06, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

:How should subject matter of photos be organized? Like when you mentioned difficulty finding photos, what would make those easier to find? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:01, 5 July 2024 (EDT)

== People-related categories ==

Maybe the white knight, enabler, ween, and carpetbagger categories should be used again. Those were removed a couple years ago. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (EDT)

== Generations ==

Since there's a diverse range of generations in Christory, maybe we could have categories for it, so people with known ages could be categorized as "Millenial generation", "Boomer generation", "Zoomer generation", etc. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:14, 19 November 2024 (EST)
:I like the idea of this, these categories could all go in a 'People by age' category too. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 09:46, 20 November 2024 (EST)
::That sounds good. Should we capitalize "generation" or not? "Greatest Generation" vs "Greatest generation" for someone like Bob. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2024 (EST)
:::Yep, I'm all for capitalizing it. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 11:37, 20 November 2024 (EST)

==Engagement Protips==
I see that this was already discussed by Hurtful, specifically with regards to contacting past orbiters in Chris's life, but I don't think I'm that huge a fan of protips that preach not contacting him at all, this includes the ones seen on the [[Flutter]] and [[Sightings (2025)]] pages, where you still have people going out of their way contacting these people regardless. I think it's been made abundantly clear at this point that no matter how many times we warn people not to engage with Chris, they're going to do it anyway.

Just stating the obvious is also why I think the template got used so liberally in the first place, since this is such a universal rule in the CWCsphere by this point. Plus, it's really not any different from when Chris himself did the exact same thing in his comics when people were calling him and his characters gay, drawing more attention to any unintentionally homoerotic themes in his comics. Ironically, when people added this template, they also added things like a person's details that aren't even related to Chris, even ones about them during the time that they've "moved on", a common justification I see in a lot of these, like I saw on the [[gal-pals]] page, completely destroying the whole point of doing that. I think just what's on the front page, which makes it abundantly clear that you shouldn't engage with Chris at all, is enough, and we really shouldn't be held accountable for any retard that decides to ignore this warning. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:07, 31 March 2025 (EDT)
:I think it only should pertain to Chris herself, people like Megan, and people who are currently influencing Chris like Caden and Flutter. And technically we are breaking this rule every time we contact editors like Hurtful Truth Level and Anaxis. Maybe an amendment to specify Important People? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:53, 6 November 2025 (EST)

== Archive.today ==

There's [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-archive-today-after-site-executed-ddos-and-altered-web-captures/ a scandal about Archive.today] which resulted in Wikipedia blacklisting it. What should we do? Many CWCki pages use archive.today for references. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:24, 22 February 2026 (EST)
:It's possible for many of the Archive.ph/Archive.today links to be replaced as the original pages are still up, but some are irreplaceable. I don't think that switching all the links should be a major priority though. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 10:39, 22 February 2026 (EST)

== Academic CWCki Project ==

I came up with an idea recently which I think could be a worthwhile experiment. I thought it might be interesting to create alternative CWCki pages that, unlike the mainline pages, are written in a formal tone and required to source everything using academically reliable sources (scholarly papers, mainstream news, and currently-accessible/properly archived primary sources excluding reuploads). I'd be interested to see how much we could write about Chris using only respectable sources, and it might also be of use to anyone wanting to write about Chris for their college papers, news articles, and whatever else. The pages would be stored as subpages of 'academic' (e.g. sonichu.com/cwcki/academic/Sonichu). Would anyone be interested if I started a few articles as a pilot test? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:55, 8 May 2026 (EDT)

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For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.

== Standards for inclusion ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
== Fan videos ==
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

==Chris and ==
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==

I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.

Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.

I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

== The future of "corner icons" ==

Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

==Gatekeepers==

There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

:Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

==New Template: To Do==

Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

:It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

== "xth year of organised trolling" ==

Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
: I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "''x'' years since Chris's discovery" rather than "''x''th year of organized trolling."[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==

Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:

{{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}

[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.

:[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

:Noticed that in the [[List of videos]], it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls [[FUTURE MESSAGE]] could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era [[Twin Falling Towers]] could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

== Contingency ==

So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

== Doxxing ==

In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.

Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

:As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.

To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere].

Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.

I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)

But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.

A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.

Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

== Potential New Direction for the Wiki. "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists" ==

Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.
(i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being "MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.

Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography

https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the

Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:

https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life

It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.

I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.

I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.

This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021
: That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Conflicts of interest ==

Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on [[Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

== Barbara station ==

Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called [[Barbara]]… {{w|Barbara (Paris Métro)|in Paris}}. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Icons modernisation ==

I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{tl|Saga}} template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:
* The icons should use the PNG file format.
* The icons should have a transparent background.
* The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
* The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
* The icons should have a file name format of {{Code|Saga icon [Saga Name].png}}.
I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era ([https://www.howtogeek.com/733912/a-visual-history-of-windows-icons-from-windows-1-to-11/ source]). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the ''retro'' factor.

Any questions, please reply below. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)

== Non-YouTube videos ==

I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)

== Endangered/extinct? links/websites ==

I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.

CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?

Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.

Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon.
[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)

:Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.

:Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as [[July 2013 Facebook Posts]]; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link). Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found [[Special:LinkSearch|here]]

::I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

:::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

== Pages for Kiwi Farms posts ==

Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]], [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]], etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

: We could do that, but there are other pages such as [[CWCki Forums]] and [[GameFAQs]] that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.

:Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the [[Kiwi Farms]] page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Man In The Pickle Suit]], [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]], etc".[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)

::I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to [[Kiwi Farms]] page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)

::: I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)

:My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying]] which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)

::I created a page for [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]]. If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)

== Generation IX Pokémon ==

Hey CWCki editors, {{w|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}} just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)

==Template for resized high quality photos==
Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like [[:Template:Needs Updating]] for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)

== Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms ==

There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
:https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])
::Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
:::apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])

== Contact discouragement protips ==

Some articles like for [[Michael Snyder]] have those protips at the tops saying not to contact. I don't really think it's necessary to have those in articles. For one thing, the approach is flawed because only some people have them, so it creates bias issues when one person has it and not another. The solution could be to add protips to every person who ever got involved with Chris, but that's a lot of pages to deal with. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

: I would prefer to keep them up for the most "famous" people, the ones who got dragged into early Christory through no fault of their own. From the recent deletions, that would include Megan, Mary Lee, Cole and Mike Snyder. Possibly the minor family members. These are all non-trolls (well I guess Cole trolls highly-rated films sometimes) who initially had interactions with Chris IRL, not through the Internet, and Chris genuinely doesn't know that many people IRL. By that standard it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of picking and choosing. Also leaving the warnings up may help deter newcomers from contacting them trying to get more Chris stories, particularly when we're in a lengthy content drought like now. My opinion, no one has to agree. Thanks. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 05:49, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::Looking over the [[:Template:People|People]] template, it looks like there would still be several who meet that criteria. Like Rocky, the elementary school principal, possibly the defense lawyers, etc. Megan has also given interviews, so she went back into Christory voluntarily. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:08, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::: Maybe a new, shared "Do Not Contact" template for all of these people? I'd be happy to go through and add it to all the pages. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 12:52, 23 June 2024 (EDT)
:::What if we just add to the Main page somewhere, like where it says, "We highly advise against seeking out Chris in any way." Could add "and anyone associated with him", or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:53, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

:::: That sounds good. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 17:37, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

== Misc art ==

Anyone have any suggestions for improving how CWCki catalogs misc comics/drawings? I've been going through and creating new articles for misc comics and filing them into the [[:Template:Sonichu]]. Since most of Chris's drawings have dates on them, maybe something could be done with the CWChronology pages or with categories or something.

The video pages have an extensive setup and I think the drawings could have something like that too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:31, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

: On a related note, I think we should improve our catalog of photos of Chris. The related categories seem like they haven't been touched in ages, and some really notable Chris photos have proven difficult for me to find at times.
: Honestly, maybe it would be a good idea to make art, photo, and music pages in the same style as the Videos page. Make it a series sort of like the "Chris and" pages. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 19:10, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::Agreed. I'm not sure where we'd begin with updating the categories. You mean the [[List of videos]] page? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:01, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::: Yeah, exactly. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:00, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::I like the idea, though I'm not sure how we'd go about it. I think an omni list like that would have to be in text format like List of Videos is. Otherwise if we try to put all photos onto a single page it will be too resource heavy. [[Chris in the media]] had that problem before a huge chunk got split to the podcasts page. Do you have something in mind? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:59, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::: For music, I think we could keep the exact same format as List of Videos. For photos/art, it'd probably be best to organize that into gallery pages based on date and/or subject matter and then make a master list page to link to subsections on those. That would be consistent with how we handled the [[Praetor Jail Art]]. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 09:06, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

:How should subject matter of photos be organized? Like when you mentioned difficulty finding photos, what would make those easier to find? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:01, 5 July 2024 (EDT)

== People-related categories ==

Maybe the white knight, enabler, ween, and carpetbagger categories should be used again. Those were removed a couple years ago. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (EDT)

== Generations ==

Since there's a diverse range of generations in Christory, maybe we could have categories for it, so people with known ages could be categorized as "Millenial generation", "Boomer generation", "Zoomer generation", etc. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:14, 19 November 2024 (EST)
:I like the idea of this, these categories could all go in a 'People by age' category too. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 09:46, 20 November 2024 (EST)
::That sounds good. Should we capitalize "generation" or not? "Greatest Generation" vs "Greatest generation" for someone like Bob. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2024 (EST)
:::Yep, I'm all for capitalizing it. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 11:37, 20 November 2024 (EST)

==Engagement Protips==
I see that this was already discussed by Hurtful, specifically with regards to contacting past orbiters in Chris's life, but I don't think I'm that huge a fan of protips that preach not contacting him at all, this includes the ones seen on the [[Flutter]] and [[Sightings (2025)]] pages, where you still have people going out of their way contacting these people regardless. I think it's been made abundantly clear at this point that no matter how many times we warn people not to engage with Chris, they're going to do it anyway.

Just stating the obvious is also why I think the template got used so liberally in the first place, since this is such a universal rule in the CWCsphere by this point. Plus, it's really not any different from when Chris himself did the exact same thing in his comics when people were calling him and his characters gay, drawing more attention to any unintentionally homoerotic themes in his comics. Ironically, when people added this template, they also added things like a person's details that aren't even related to Chris, even ones about them during the time that they've "moved on", a common justification I see in a lot of these, like I saw on the [[gal-pals]] page, completely destroying the whole point of doing that. I think just what's on the front page, which makes it abundantly clear that you shouldn't engage with Chris at all, is enough, and we really shouldn't be held accountable for any retard that decides to ignore this warning. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:07, 31 March 2025 (EDT)
:I think it only should pertain to Chris herself, people like Megan, and people who are currently influencing Chris like Caden and Flutter. And technically we are breaking this rule every time we contact editors like Hurtful Truth Level and Anaxis. Maybe an amendment to specify Important People? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:53, 6 November 2025 (EST)

== Archive.today ==

There's [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-archive-today-after-site-executed-ddos-and-altered-web-captures/ a scandal about Archive.today] which resulted in Wikipedia blacklisting it. What should we do? Many CWCki pages use archive.today for references. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:24, 22 February 2026 (EST)
:It's possible for many of the Archive.ph/Archive.today links to be replaced as the original pages are still up, but some are irreplaceable. I don't think that switching all the links should be a major priority though. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 10:39, 22 February 2026 (EST)

== Academic CWCki Project ==

I came up with an idea recently which I think could be a worthwhile experiment. I thought it might be interesting to create alternative CWCki pages that, unlike the mainline pages, are written in a formal tone and required to source everything using academically reliable sources (scholarly papers, mainstream news, and currently-accessible primary sources excluding reuploads). I'd be interested to see how much we could write about Chris using only respectable sources, and it might also be of use to anyone wanting to write about Chris for their college papers, news articles, and whatever else. The pages would be stored as subpages of 'academic' (e.g. sonichu.com/cwcki/academic/Sonichu). Would anyone be interested if I started a few articles as a pilot test? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:55, 8 May 2026 (EDT)

CWCki:General

2026-05-09T02:59:10Z

Cottonmather: /* Academic CWCki Project */

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{{Community Portal}}

*[[CWCki:General/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 4|Archive 4]]

For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.

== Standards for inclusion ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
== Fan videos ==
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

==Chris and ==
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==

I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.

Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.

I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

== The future of "corner icons" ==

Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

==Gatekeepers==

There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

:Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

==New Template: To Do==

Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

:It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

== "xth year of organised trolling" ==

Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
: I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "''x'' years since Chris's discovery" rather than "''x''th year of organized trolling."[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==

Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:

{{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}

[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.

:[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

:Noticed that in the [[List of videos]], it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls [[FUTURE MESSAGE]] could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era [[Twin Falling Towers]] could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

== Contingency ==

So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

== Doxxing ==

In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.

Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

:As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.

To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere].

Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.

I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)

But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.

A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.

Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

== Potential New Direction for the Wiki. "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists" ==

Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.
(i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being "MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.

Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography

https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the

Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:

https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life

It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.

I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.

I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.

This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021
: That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Conflicts of interest ==

Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on [[Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

== Barbara station ==

Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called [[Barbara]]… {{w|Barbara (Paris Métro)|in Paris}}. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Icons modernisation ==

I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{tl|Saga}} template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:
* The icons should use the PNG file format.
* The icons should have a transparent background.
* The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
* The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
* The icons should have a file name format of {{Code|Saga icon [Saga Name].png}}.
I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era ([https://www.howtogeek.com/733912/a-visual-history-of-windows-icons-from-windows-1-to-11/ source]). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the ''retro'' factor.

Any questions, please reply below. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)

== Non-YouTube videos ==

I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)

== Endangered/extinct? links/websites ==

I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.

CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?

Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.

Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon.
[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)

:Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.

:Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as [[July 2013 Facebook Posts]]; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link). Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found [[Special:LinkSearch|here]]

::I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

:::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

== Pages for Kiwi Farms posts ==

Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]], [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]], etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

: We could do that, but there are other pages such as [[CWCki Forums]] and [[GameFAQs]] that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.

:Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the [[Kiwi Farms]] page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Man In The Pickle Suit]], [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]], etc".[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)

::I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to [[Kiwi Farms]] page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)

::: I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)

:My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying]] which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)

::I created a page for [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]]. If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)

== Generation IX Pokémon ==

Hey CWCki editors, {{w|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}} just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)

==Template for resized high quality photos==
Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like [[:Template:Needs Updating]] for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)

== Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms ==

There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
:https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])
::Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
:::apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])

== Contact discouragement protips ==

Some articles like for [[Michael Snyder]] have those protips at the tops saying not to contact. I don't really think it's necessary to have those in articles. For one thing, the approach is flawed because only some people have them, so it creates bias issues when one person has it and not another. The solution could be to add protips to every person who ever got involved with Chris, but that's a lot of pages to deal with. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

: I would prefer to keep them up for the most "famous" people, the ones who got dragged into early Christory through no fault of their own. From the recent deletions, that would include Megan, Mary Lee, Cole and Mike Snyder. Possibly the minor family members. These are all non-trolls (well I guess Cole trolls highly-rated films sometimes) who initially had interactions with Chris IRL, not through the Internet, and Chris genuinely doesn't know that many people IRL. By that standard it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of picking and choosing. Also leaving the warnings up may help deter newcomers from contacting them trying to get more Chris stories, particularly when we're in a lengthy content drought like now. My opinion, no one has to agree. Thanks. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 05:49, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::Looking over the [[:Template:People|People]] template, it looks like there would still be several who meet that criteria. Like Rocky, the elementary school principal, possibly the defense lawyers, etc. Megan has also given interviews, so she went back into Christory voluntarily. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:08, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::: Maybe a new, shared "Do Not Contact" template for all of these people? I'd be happy to go through and add it to all the pages. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 12:52, 23 June 2024 (EDT)
:::What if we just add to the Main page somewhere, like where it says, "We highly advise against seeking out Chris in any way." Could add "and anyone associated with him", or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:53, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

:::: That sounds good. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 17:37, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

== Misc art ==

Anyone have any suggestions for improving how CWCki catalogs misc comics/drawings? I've been going through and creating new articles for misc comics and filing them into the [[:Template:Sonichu]]. Since most of Chris's drawings have dates on them, maybe something could be done with the CWChronology pages or with categories or something.

The video pages have an extensive setup and I think the drawings could have something like that too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:31, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

: On a related note, I think we should improve our catalog of photos of Chris. The related categories seem like they haven't been touched in ages, and some really notable Chris photos have proven difficult for me to find at times.
: Honestly, maybe it would be a good idea to make art, photo, and music pages in the same style as the Videos page. Make it a series sort of like the "Chris and" pages. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 19:10, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::Agreed. I'm not sure where we'd begin with updating the categories. You mean the [[List of videos]] page? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:01, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::: Yeah, exactly. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:00, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::I like the idea, though I'm not sure how we'd go about it. I think an omni list like that would have to be in text format like List of Videos is. Otherwise if we try to put all photos onto a single page it will be too resource heavy. [[Chris in the media]] had that problem before a huge chunk got split to the podcasts page. Do you have something in mind? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:59, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::: For music, I think we could keep the exact same format as List of Videos. For photos/art, it'd probably be best to organize that into gallery pages based on date and/or subject matter and then make a master list page to link to subsections on those. That would be consistent with how we handled the [[Praetor Jail Art]]. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 09:06, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

:How should subject matter of photos be organized? Like when you mentioned difficulty finding photos, what would make those easier to find? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:01, 5 July 2024 (EDT)

== People-related categories ==

Maybe the white knight, enabler, ween, and carpetbagger categories should be used again. Those were removed a couple years ago. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (EDT)

== Generations ==

Since there's a diverse range of generations in Christory, maybe we could have categories for it, so people with known ages could be categorized as "Millenial generation", "Boomer generation", "Zoomer generation", etc. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:14, 19 November 2024 (EST)
:I like the idea of this, these categories could all go in a 'People by age' category too. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 09:46, 20 November 2024 (EST)
::That sounds good. Should we capitalize "generation" or not? "Greatest Generation" vs "Greatest generation" for someone like Bob. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2024 (EST)
:::Yep, I'm all for capitalizing it. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 11:37, 20 November 2024 (EST)

==Engagement Protips==
I see that this was already discussed by Hurtful, specifically with regards to contacting past orbiters in Chris's life, but I don't think I'm that huge a fan of protips that preach not contacting him at all, this includes the ones seen on the [[Flutter]] and [[Sightings (2025)]] pages, where you still have people going out of their way contacting these people regardless. I think it's been made abundantly clear at this point that no matter how many times we warn people not to engage with Chris, they're going to do it anyway.

Just stating the obvious is also why I think the template got used so liberally in the first place, since this is such a universal rule in the CWCsphere by this point. Plus, it's really not any different from when Chris himself did the exact same thing in his comics when people were calling him and his characters gay, drawing more attention to any unintentionally homoerotic themes in his comics. Ironically, when people added this template, they also added things like a person's details that aren't even related to Chris, even ones about them during the time that they've "moved on", a common justification I see in a lot of these, like I saw on the [[gal-pals]] page, completely destroying the whole point of doing that. I think just what's on the front page, which makes it abundantly clear that you shouldn't engage with Chris at all, is enough, and we really shouldn't be held accountable for any retard that decides to ignore this warning. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:07, 31 March 2025 (EDT)
:I think it only should pertain to Chris herself, people like Megan, and people who are currently influencing Chris like Caden and Flutter. And technically we are breaking this rule every time we contact editors like Hurtful Truth Level and Anaxis. Maybe an amendment to specify Important People? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:53, 6 November 2025 (EST)

== Archive.today ==

There's [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-archive-today-after-site-executed-ddos-and-altered-web-captures/ a scandal about Archive.today] which resulted in Wikipedia blacklisting it. What should we do? Many CWCki pages use archive.today for references. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:24, 22 February 2026 (EST)
:It's possible for many of the Archive.ph/Archive.today links to be replaced as the original pages are still up, but some are irreplaceable. I don't think that switching all the links should be a major priority though. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 10:39, 22 February 2026 (EST)

== Academic CWCki Project ==

I came up with an idea recently which I think could be a worthwhile experiment. I thought it might be interesting to create alternative CWCki pages that, unlike the mainline pages, are written in a formal tone and required to source everything using academically reliable sources (scholarly papers, mainstream news, and currently-accessible primary sources). I'd be interested to see how much we could write about Chris using only respectable sources, and it might also be of use to anyone wanting to write about Chris for their college papers, news articles, and whatever else. The pages would be stored as subpages of 'academic' (e.g. sonichu.com/cwcki/academic/Sonichu). Would anyone be interested if I started a few articles as a pilot test? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:55, 8 May 2026 (EDT)

CWCki:General

2026-05-09T02:56:52Z

Cottonmather: /* Academic CWCki Project */

__NEWSECTIONLINK__

{{Community Portal}}

*[[CWCki:General/Archive 1|Archive 1]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 2|Archive 2]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 3]]
*[[CWCki:General/Archive 4|Archive 4]]

For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.

== Standards for inclusion ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
== Fan videos ==
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

==Chris and ==
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==

I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.

Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.

I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

== The future of "corner icons" ==

Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

==Gatekeepers==

There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

:Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

==New Template: To Do==

Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

:It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

== "xth year of organised trolling" ==

Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
: I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "''x'' years since Chris's discovery" rather than "''x''th year of organized trolling."[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==

Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:

{{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}

[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.

:[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

:Noticed that in the [[List of videos]], it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls [[FUTURE MESSAGE]] could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era [[Twin Falling Towers]] could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

== Contingency ==

So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

== Doxxing ==

In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.

Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

:As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.

To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere].

Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.

I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)

But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.

A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.

Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

== Potential New Direction for the Wiki. "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists" ==

Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.
(i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being "MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.

Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography

https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the

Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:

https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life

It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.

I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.

I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.

This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021
: That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Conflicts of interest ==

Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on [[Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

== Barbara station ==

Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called [[Barbara]]… {{w|Barbara (Paris Métro)|in Paris}}. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Icons modernisation ==

I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{tl|Saga}} template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:
* The icons should use the PNG file format.
* The icons should have a transparent background.
* The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
* The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
* The icons should have a file name format of {{Code|Saga icon [Saga Name].png}}.
I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era ([https://www.howtogeek.com/733912/a-visual-history-of-windows-icons-from-windows-1-to-11/ source]). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the ''retro'' factor.

Any questions, please reply below. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)

== Non-YouTube videos ==

I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)

== Endangered/extinct? links/websites ==

I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.

CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?

Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.

Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon.
[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)

:Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.

:Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as [[July 2013 Facebook Posts]]; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link). Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found [[Special:LinkSearch|here]]

::I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

:::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

== Pages for Kiwi Farms posts ==

Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]], [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]], etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

: We could do that, but there are other pages such as [[CWCki Forums]] and [[GameFAQs]] that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.

:Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the [[Kiwi Farms]] page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Man In The Pickle Suit]], [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]], etc".[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)

::I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to [[Kiwi Farms]] page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)

::: I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)

:My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying]] which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)

::I created a page for [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]]. If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)

== Generation IX Pokémon ==

Hey CWCki editors, {{w|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}} just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)

==Template for resized high quality photos==
Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like [[:Template:Needs Updating]] for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)

== Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms ==

There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
:https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])
::Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
:::apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])

== Contact discouragement protips ==

Some articles like for [[Michael Snyder]] have those protips at the tops saying not to contact. I don't really think it's necessary to have those in articles. For one thing, the approach is flawed because only some people have them, so it creates bias issues when one person has it and not another. The solution could be to add protips to every person who ever got involved with Chris, but that's a lot of pages to deal with. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

: I would prefer to keep them up for the most "famous" people, the ones who got dragged into early Christory through no fault of their own. From the recent deletions, that would include Megan, Mary Lee, Cole and Mike Snyder. Possibly the minor family members. These are all non-trolls (well I guess Cole trolls highly-rated films sometimes) who initially had interactions with Chris IRL, not through the Internet, and Chris genuinely doesn't know that many people IRL. By that standard it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of picking and choosing. Also leaving the warnings up may help deter newcomers from contacting them trying to get more Chris stories, particularly when we're in a lengthy content drought like now. My opinion, no one has to agree. Thanks. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 05:49, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::Looking over the [[:Template:People|People]] template, it looks like there would still be several who meet that criteria. Like Rocky, the elementary school principal, possibly the defense lawyers, etc. Megan has also given interviews, so she went back into Christory voluntarily. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:08, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::: Maybe a new, shared "Do Not Contact" template for all of these people? I'd be happy to go through and add it to all the pages. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 12:52, 23 June 2024 (EDT)
:::What if we just add to the Main page somewhere, like where it says, "We highly advise against seeking out Chris in any way." Could add "and anyone associated with him", or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:53, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

:::: That sounds good. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 17:37, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

== Misc art ==

Anyone have any suggestions for improving how CWCki catalogs misc comics/drawings? I've been going through and creating new articles for misc comics and filing them into the [[:Template:Sonichu]]. Since most of Chris's drawings have dates on them, maybe something could be done with the CWChronology pages or with categories or something.

The video pages have an extensive setup and I think the drawings could have something like that too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:31, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

: On a related note, I think we should improve our catalog of photos of Chris. The related categories seem like they haven't been touched in ages, and some really notable Chris photos have proven difficult for me to find at times.
: Honestly, maybe it would be a good idea to make art, photo, and music pages in the same style as the Videos page. Make it a series sort of like the "Chris and" pages. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 19:10, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::Agreed. I'm not sure where we'd begin with updating the categories. You mean the [[List of videos]] page? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:01, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::: Yeah, exactly. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:00, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::I like the idea, though I'm not sure how we'd go about it. I think an omni list like that would have to be in text format like List of Videos is. Otherwise if we try to put all photos onto a single page it will be too resource heavy. [[Chris in the media]] had that problem before a huge chunk got split to the podcasts page. Do you have something in mind? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:59, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::: For music, I think we could keep the exact same format as List of Videos. For photos/art, it'd probably be best to organize that into gallery pages based on date and/or subject matter and then make a master list page to link to subsections on those. That would be consistent with how we handled the [[Praetor Jail Art]]. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 09:06, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

:How should subject matter of photos be organized? Like when you mentioned difficulty finding photos, what would make those easier to find? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:01, 5 July 2024 (EDT)

== People-related categories ==

Maybe the white knight, enabler, ween, and carpetbagger categories should be used again. Those were removed a couple years ago. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (EDT)

== Generations ==

Since there's a diverse range of generations in Christory, maybe we could have categories for it, so people with known ages could be categorized as "Millenial generation", "Boomer generation", "Zoomer generation", etc. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:14, 19 November 2024 (EST)
:I like the idea of this, these categories could all go in a 'People by age' category too. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 09:46, 20 November 2024 (EST)
::That sounds good. Should we capitalize "generation" or not? "Greatest Generation" vs "Greatest generation" for someone like Bob. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2024 (EST)
:::Yep, I'm all for capitalizing it. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 11:37, 20 November 2024 (EST)

==Engagement Protips==
I see that this was already discussed by Hurtful, specifically with regards to contacting past orbiters in Chris's life, but I don't think I'm that huge a fan of protips that preach not contacting him at all, this includes the ones seen on the [[Flutter]] and [[Sightings (2025)]] pages, where you still have people going out of their way contacting these people regardless. I think it's been made abundantly clear at this point that no matter how many times we warn people not to engage with Chris, they're going to do it anyway.

Just stating the obvious is also why I think the template got used so liberally in the first place, since this is such a universal rule in the CWCsphere by this point. Plus, it's really not any different from when Chris himself did the exact same thing in his comics when people were calling him and his characters gay, drawing more attention to any unintentionally homoerotic themes in his comics. Ironically, when people added this template, they also added things like a person's details that aren't even related to Chris, even ones about them during the time that they've "moved on", a common justification I see in a lot of these, like I saw on the [[gal-pals]] page, completely destroying the whole point of doing that. I think just what's on the front page, which makes it abundantly clear that you shouldn't engage with Chris at all, is enough, and we really shouldn't be held accountable for any retard that decides to ignore this warning. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:07, 31 March 2025 (EDT)
:I think it only should pertain to Chris herself, people like Megan, and people who are currently influencing Chris like Caden and Flutter. And technically we are breaking this rule every time we contact editors like Hurtful Truth Level and Anaxis. Maybe an amendment to specify Important People? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:53, 6 November 2025 (EST)

== Archive.today ==

There's [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-archive-today-after-site-executed-ddos-and-altered-web-captures/ a scandal about Archive.today] which resulted in Wikipedia blacklisting it. What should we do? Many CWCki pages use archive.today for references. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:24, 22 February 2026 (EST)
:It's possible for many of the Archive.ph/Archive.today links to be replaced as the original pages are still up, but some are irreplaceable. I don't think that switching all the links should be a major priority though. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 10:39, 22 February 2026 (EST)

== Academic CWCki Project ==

I came up with an idea recently which I think could be a worthwhile experiment. I thought it might be interesting to create alternative CWCki pages that, unlike the mainline pages, are written in a formal tone and required to source everything using academically reliable sources (scholarly papers, mainstream news, and currently-available primary sources). I'd be interested to see how much we could write about Chris using only respectable sources, and it might also be of use to anyone wanting to write about Chris for their college papers, news articles, and whatever else. The pages would be stored as subpages of 'academic' (e.g. sonichu.com/cwcki/academic/Sonichu). Would anyone be interested if I started a few articles as a pilot test? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:55, 8 May 2026 (EDT)

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== Standards for inclusion ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
== Fan videos ==
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

==Chris and ==
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==

I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.

Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.

I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

== The future of "corner icons" ==

Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

:: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

==Gatekeepers==

There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

:Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)

:Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

==New Template: To Do==

Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

:It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

== "xth year of organised trolling" ==

Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
: I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
:Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "''x'' years since Chris's discovery" rather than "''x''th year of organized trolling."[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

== Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==

Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:

{{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}

[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.

:[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

:Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)

:Noticed that in the [[List of videos]], it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls [[FUTURE MESSAGE]] could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era [[Twin Falling Towers]] could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

== Contingency ==

So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

== Doxxing ==

In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.

Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

:Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

:As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.

To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere].

Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.

I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)

But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.

A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.

Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

== Potential New Direction for the Wiki. "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists" ==

Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.
(i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being "MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.

Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography

https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the

Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:

https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life

It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.

I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.

I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.

This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021
: That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

== Conflicts of interest ==

Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on [[Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

== Barbara station ==

Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called [[Barbara]]… {{w|Barbara (Paris Métro)|in Paris}}. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

== Icons modernisation ==

I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{tl|Saga}} template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:
* The icons should use the PNG file format.
* The icons should have a transparent background.
* The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
* The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
* The icons should have a file name format of {{Code|Saga icon [Saga Name].png}}.
I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era ([https://www.howtogeek.com/733912/a-visual-history-of-windows-icons-from-windows-1-to-11/ source]). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the ''retro'' factor.

Any questions, please reply below. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)

== Non-YouTube videos ==

I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)

== Endangered/extinct? links/websites ==

I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.

CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?

Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.

Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon.
[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)

:Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.

:Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as [[July 2013 Facebook Posts]]; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link). Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found [[Special:LinkSearch|here]]

::I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza

::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

:::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

== Pages for Kiwi Farms posts ==

Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]], [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]], etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

: We could do that, but there are other pages such as [[CWCki Forums]] and [[GameFAQs]] that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.

:Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the [[Kiwi Farms]] page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Man In The Pickle Suit]], [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]], etc".[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)

::I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to [[Kiwi Farms]] page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)

::: I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)

:My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying]] which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)

::I created a page for [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]]. If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)

== Generation IX Pokémon ==

Hey CWCki editors, {{w|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}} just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)

==Template for resized high quality photos==
Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like [[:Template:Needs Updating]] for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)

== Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms ==

There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
:https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])
::Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
:::apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])

== Contact discouragement protips ==

Some articles like for [[Michael Snyder]] have those protips at the tops saying not to contact. I don't really think it's necessary to have those in articles. For one thing, the approach is flawed because only some people have them, so it creates bias issues when one person has it and not another. The solution could be to add protips to every person who ever got involved with Chris, but that's a lot of pages to deal with. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:07, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

: I would prefer to keep them up for the most "famous" people, the ones who got dragged into early Christory through no fault of their own. From the recent deletions, that would include Megan, Mary Lee, Cole and Mike Snyder. Possibly the minor family members. These are all non-trolls (well I guess Cole trolls highly-rated films sometimes) who initially had interactions with Chris IRL, not through the Internet, and Chris genuinely doesn't know that many people IRL. By that standard it doesn't feel like there's a whole lot of picking and choosing. Also leaving the warnings up may help deter newcomers from contacting them trying to get more Chris stories, particularly when we're in a lengthy content drought like now. My opinion, no one has to agree. Thanks. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 05:49, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::Looking over the [[:Template:People|People]] template, it looks like there would still be several who meet that criteria. Like Rocky, the elementary school principal, possibly the defense lawyers, etc. Megan has also given interviews, so she went back into Christory voluntarily. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:08, 23 June 2024 (EDT)

::: Maybe a new, shared "Do Not Contact" template for all of these people? I'd be happy to go through and add it to all the pages. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 12:52, 23 June 2024 (EDT)
:::What if we just add to the Main page somewhere, like where it says, "We highly advise against seeking out Chris in any way." Could add "and anyone associated with him", or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:53, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

:::: That sounds good. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 17:37, 24 June 2024 (EDT)

== Misc art ==

Anyone have any suggestions for improving how CWCki catalogs misc comics/drawings? I've been going through and creating new articles for misc comics and filing them into the [[:Template:Sonichu]]. Since most of Chris's drawings have dates on them, maybe something could be done with the CWChronology pages or with categories or something.

The video pages have an extensive setup and I think the drawings could have something like that too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:31, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

: On a related note, I think we should improve our catalog of photos of Chris. The related categories seem like they haven't been touched in ages, and some really notable Chris photos have proven difficult for me to find at times.
: Honestly, maybe it would be a good idea to make art, photo, and music pages in the same style as the Videos page. Make it a series sort of like the "Chris and" pages. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 19:10, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::Agreed. I'm not sure where we'd begin with updating the categories. You mean the [[List of videos]] page? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:01, 1 July 2024 (EDT)

::: Yeah, exactly. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 00:00, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::I like the idea, though I'm not sure how we'd go about it. I think an omni list like that would have to be in text format like List of Videos is. Otherwise if we try to put all photos onto a single page it will be too resource heavy. [[Chris in the media]] had that problem before a huge chunk got split to the podcasts page. Do you have something in mind? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:59, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

::: For music, I think we could keep the exact same format as List of Videos. For photos/art, it'd probably be best to organize that into gallery pages based on date and/or subject matter and then make a master list page to link to subsections on those. That would be consistent with how we handled the [[Praetor Jail Art]]. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 09:06, 2 July 2024 (EDT)

:How should subject matter of photos be organized? Like when you mentioned difficulty finding photos, what would make those easier to find? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:01, 5 July 2024 (EDT)

== People-related categories ==

Maybe the white knight, enabler, ween, and carpetbagger categories should be used again. Those were removed a couple years ago. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:40, 12 July 2024 (EDT)

== Generations ==

Since there's a diverse range of generations in Christory, maybe we could have categories for it, so people with known ages could be categorized as "Millenial generation", "Boomer generation", "Zoomer generation", etc. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:14, 19 November 2024 (EST)
:I like the idea of this, these categories could all go in a 'People by age' category too. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 09:46, 20 November 2024 (EST)
::That sounds good. Should we capitalize "generation" or not? "Greatest Generation" vs "Greatest generation" for someone like Bob. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:23, 20 November 2024 (EST)
:::Yep, I'm all for capitalizing it. [[User:Amanitie|Amanitie]] ([[User talk:Amanitie|talk]]) 11:37, 20 November 2024 (EST)

==Engagement Protips==
I see that this was already discussed by Hurtful, specifically with regards to contacting past orbiters in Chris's life, but I don't think I'm that huge a fan of protips that preach not contacting him at all, this includes the ones seen on the [[Flutter]] and [[Sightings (2025)]] pages, where you still have people going out of their way contacting these people regardless. I think it's been made abundantly clear at this point that no matter how many times we warn people not to engage with Chris, they're going to do it anyway.

Just stating the obvious is also why I think the template got used so liberally in the first place, since this is such a universal rule in the CWCsphere by this point. Plus, it's really not any different from when Chris himself did the exact same thing in his comics when people were calling him and his characters gay, drawing more attention to any unintentionally homoerotic themes in his comics. Ironically, when people added this template, they also added things like a person's details that aren't even related to Chris, even ones about them during the time that they've "moved on", a common justification I see in a lot of these, like I saw on the [[gal-pals]] page, completely destroying the whole point of doing that. I think just what's on the front page, which makes it abundantly clear that you shouldn't engage with Chris at all, is enough, and we really shouldn't be held accountable for any retard that decides to ignore this warning. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:07, 31 March 2025 (EDT)
:I think it only should pertain to Chris herself, people like Megan, and people who are currently influencing Chris like Caden and Flutter. And technically we are breaking this rule every time we contact editors like Hurtful Truth Level and Anaxis. Maybe an amendment to specify Important People? [[User:Master|Master]] ([[User talk:Master|talk]]) 17:53, 6 November 2025 (EST)

== Archive.today ==

There's [https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/02/wikipedia-bans-archive-today-after-site-executed-ddos-and-altered-web-captures/ a scandal about Archive.today] which resulted in Wikipedia blacklisting it. What should we do? Many CWCki pages use archive.today for references. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:24, 22 February 2026 (EST)
:It's possible for many of the Archive.ph/Archive.today links to be replaced as the original pages are still up, but some are irreplaceable. I don't think that switching all the links should be a major priority though. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 10:39, 22 February 2026 (EST)

== Academic CWCki Project ==

I came up with an idea recently which I think could be a worthwhile experiment. I thought it might be interesting to create alternative CWCki pages that, unlike the mainline pages, are written in a formal tone and required to source everything using academically reliable sources (scholarly papers, mainstream news, and currently-available primary sources). I'd be interested to see how much we could write about Chris using only respectable sources, and it might also be of use to anyone wanting to write about Chris for their college papers, news articles, and whatever else. Would anyone be interested if I started a few articles as a pilot test? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 22:55, 8 May 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Sightings

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Cottonmather:

== "Chris and Anonymity" page? ==

With Chris acknowledging his observers more and more over the past few months, and actively trying to hide from being spotted, I've been wondering if another "Chris And" page might be in order. The page would cover Chris's attempts to anonymize or disguise himself both past and present, his hypocrisy when it comes to the anonymity of others, and his feelings about being recognized and approached in public (along with how those feelings have evolved over time). Thoughts? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 04:02, 20 April 2026 (EDT)

Talk:Sightings

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== "Chris and Anonymity" page? ==

With Chris acknowledging his observers more and more over the past few months, and actively trying to hide from being spotted, I've been wondering if another "Chris And" page might be in order. The page would cover Chris's attempts to anonymize or disguise himself both past and present, his hypocrisy when it comes to the anonymity of others, and his feelings about being recognized and approached in public along with how those have evolved over time. Thoughts? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 04:02, 20 April 2026 (EDT)

Sightings

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[[File:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|right|250px|One of the first sightings of Chris]]
{{quote|...[the [[Trolls]]] still come after me in real life, looking to snap photographs of me wherever I am away from my house if they're there at the same time; looking for some "juicy footage" they can misinterpret and misdetail in their own sick ways. They get posted on the damn [[Cwcki]], where such "footage of the Gay Trucker will be rewarded with '[[China]]' and/or '[[Pickles]]'"; it really ticks me off.|Chris, [[2010]]<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 3#Internet hiatus, loneliness, ModNation Racers]]</ref>}}

Since his discovery on the [[Internet]], there have been many '''sightings''' of [[Chris]] over the years. Chris is notably not fond of people taking Bigfoot style pictures of him for their "gross, uncool amusement".<ref>[[Flipnote Hatena#Chris's Comments]], [[Toys for Tots]]</ref> The amount of sightings increased greatly after his release from [[jail]].

==Pre-Jail==
{{main|Pre-jail sightings}}

==Post-Jail==
[[File:Midlothian CCTV.png|thumb|right|250px|The first post-jail sighting of Chris at [[Walmart]]]]
{{quote|I'm not Bigfoot|[[Toys for Tots#Part One|Chris on sightings]] in [[2023]]}}

On 27 [[March 2023]], [[Chris]] was [[Jail Saga#Bonded out or Released by court order|released from jail]], with the only explanation being ''"released by court order"''. Beginning on 1 [[May 2023]], '''sightings of Chris''' were reported in various places around {{w|Chesterfield County, Virginia}}. From [[June 2023|June]] onwards, Chris has been spotted in a number of locations around the state of Virginia, including {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia|Williamsburg}}, {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia|Lynchburg}}, {{w|Bedford, Virginia|Bedford}} and [[Ruckersville]]. In [[2024]] Chris began to be spotted in [[Finland]] and at [[conventions]].

Most of the sightings are initially posted to the [[r/ChrisChanSonichu|r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit]] or to [[Twitter]]. Most sightings to date have involved Chris shopping. As of [[August 2023|August]], it has been confirmed that Chris once again has his [[Son-Chu|own car]]. On several occasions, Chris was seen accompanied by [[Flutter]], which has led to speculation that she might be his newest [[sweetheart]].

These factors combined, along with Chris's diminished internet presence, have caused sightings of Chris to remain much more common than they ever were before his arrest.

==References==
<references/>

{{Sightings}}
{{The Internet}}

Sightings

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Cottonmather: /* Post-Jail */

[[File:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|right|250px|One of the first sightings of Chris]]
{{quote|...[the [[Trolls]]] still come after me in real life, looking to snap photographs of me wherever I am away from my house if they're there at the same time; looking for some "juicy footage" they can misinterpret and misdetail in their own sick ways. They get posted on the damn [[Cwcki]], where such "footage of the Gay Trucker will be rewarded with '[[China]]' and/or '[[Pickles]]'"; it really ticks me off.|Chris, [[2010]]<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 3#Internet hiatus, loneliness, ModNation Racers]]</ref>}}

Since his discovery on the [[Internet]], there have been many '''sightings''' of [[Chris]] over the years. Chris is notably not fond of people taking Bigfoot style pictures of him for their "gross, uncool amusement".<ref>[[Flipnote Hatena#Chris's Comments]], [[Toys for Tots]]</ref> The amount of sightings increased greatly after his release from [[jail]].

==Pre-Jail==
{{main|Pre-jail sightings}}

==Post-Jail==
[[File:Midlothian CCTV.png|thumb|right|250px|The first post-jail sighting of Chris at [[Walmart]]]]
{{quote|I'm not Bigfoot|[[Toys for Tots#Part One|Chris on sightings]] in [[2023]]}}

On 27 [[March 2023]], [[Chris]] was [[Jail Saga#Bonded out or Released by court order|released from jail]], with the only explanation being ''"released by court order"''. Beginning on 1 [[May 2023]], '''sightings of Chris''' were reported in various places around {{w|Chesterfield County, Virginia}}. From [[June 2023|June]] onwards, Chris has been spotted in a number of locations around the state of Virginia, including {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia|Williamsburg}}, {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia|Lynchburg}}, {{w|Bedford, Virginia|Bedford}} and [[Ruckersville]]. In [[2024]] Chris began to be spotted in [[Finland]] and at [[conventions]].

Most of the sightings are initially posted to the [[r/ChrisChanSonichu|r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit]] or to [[Twitter]]. Most sightings to date have involved Chris shopping. As of [[August 2023|August]], it has been confirmed that Chris once again has his [[Son-Chu|own car]]. On several occasions, Chris was seen accompanied by [[Flutter]], which has led to speculation that she might be his newest [[sweetheart]].

These factors combined, along with Chris's diminished internet presence, have led to sightings of Chris remaining much more common than they ever were before his arrest.

==References==
<references/>

{{Sightings}}
{{The Internet}}

Sightings

2026-04-03T19:02:57Z

Cottonmather: /* Post-Jail */

[[File:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|right|250px|One of the first sightings of Chris]]
{{quote|...[the [[Trolls]]] still come after me in real life, looking to snap photographs of me wherever I am away from my house if they're there at the same time; looking for some "juicy footage" they can misinterpret and misdetail in their own sick ways. They get posted on the damn [[Cwcki]], where such "footage of the Gay Trucker will be rewarded with '[[China]]' and/or '[[Pickles]]'"; it really ticks me off.|Chris, [[2010]]<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 3#Internet hiatus, loneliness, ModNation Racers]]</ref>}}

Since his discovery on the [[Internet]], there have been many '''sightings''' of [[Chris]] over the years. Chris is notably not fond of people taking Bigfoot style pictures of him for their "gross, uncool amusement".<ref>[[Flipnote Hatena#Chris's Comments]], [[Toys for Tots]]</ref> The amount of sightings increased greatly after his release from [[jail]].

==Pre-Jail==
{{main|Pre-jail sightings}}

==Post-Jail==
[[File:Midlothian CCTV.png|thumb|right|250px|The first post-jail sighting of Chris at [[Walmart]]]]
{{quote|I'm not Bigfoot|[[Toys for Tots#Part One|Chris on sightings]] in [[2023]]}}

On 27 [[March 2023]], [[Chris]] was [[Jail Saga#Bonded out or Released by court order|released from jail]], with the only explanation being ''"released by court order"''. Beginning on 1 [[May 2023]], '''sightings of Chris''' were reported in various places around {{w|Chesterfield County, Virginia}}. From [[June 2023|June]] onwards, Chris has been spotted in a number of locations around the state of Virginia, including {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia|Williamsburg}}, {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia|Lynchburg}}, {{w|Bedford, Virginia|Bedford}} and [[Ruckersville]]. In [[2024]] Chris began to be spotted in [[Finland]] and at [[conventions]].

Most of the sightings are initially posted to the [[r/ChrisChanSonichu|r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit]] or to [[Twitter]]. Most sightings to date have involved Chris shopping. As of [[August 2023|August]], it has been confirmed that Chris once again has his [[Son-Chu|own car]]. On several occasions, Chris was seen accompanied by [[Flutter]], which has led to speculation that she might be his newest [[sweetheart]].

These factors combined, along with Chris's diminished internet presence, have led to sightings of Chris becoming much more common than they ever were before his arrest.

==References==
<references/>

{{Sightings}}
{{The Internet}}

Template:GreatestMoments

2026-04-02T16:08:01Z

Cottonmather: As fucked up as it is, I think this might be a contender for the funniest thing Chris has ever intentionally done

[[Christopher's name change|Chris meets GodBear]] • [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes#Video|Watch & Win Sweepstakes]] • [[Song of Christian|AN F IN ENGLISH CLASS?!]] • [[Chris Chan in the PokéNews|Slam attack!]] • [[Attraction Sign]] • [[So Need a Cute Girl|"I'M STILL STUCK AS A VIRGIN WITH RAGE!"]] • [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004|It's Fraggle Rock, Father.]] • [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE|Future Message]] • [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown#Chris's Version: "Master Onion A-La Mode"|Kick, Punch, it's all in the mind!]] • [[CWC is Angry]] • [[Masturbating and squirtin']] • [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] • [[CWC's Second Message|Dykes...Dykes! CHINA!]] • [[Blanca Weiss#Blanca Destroys The Medallion|Medallion Destruction]] • [[Chris Chan Update 21 October 2008|The Pickle Man tricked me again...]] • [[I am STRAIGHT|Boobies! Vaginas. Mmm...]] • [[Jason Kendrick Howell message|I'LL BREAK YOU DEAD!]] • [[IRC (20 January 2009)|DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS]] • [[Bob Walks In|I'm cuttin it down!]] • [[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]] • [[Ohio trip]] • [[Julie Reveals Herself|Medallion up the ass]] • [[Date with Emily]] • [[CWC's Message for Ivy|I'll be in your dreams!]] • [[CWC Music Video Holding Out For a Hero|Holding Out For a Hero]] • [[CWC Update!!!!! 27 March 2009|GONNA STRANGLE THAT CLYDE CASH!]] • [[Take that Page DOWN NOW!#Director's Cut|MAKE YOU EAT YOUR UNDERWEARRRRR!]] • [[Secret Weapon|I have your mugshot...]] • [[Bunny Hop|Pyong, pyong, pyong!]] • [[April 16 Fetish Vids#Fanta|Bottoms up!]] • [[Chris Calls Clyde Out|I get BLANGRY!]] • [[Power|Grand number of pounds]] • [[CWCFlyingElephants|Crazy nudie audition]] • [[For My Sweetest Ivy|I love you so much, I love you so muuuuuch!]] • [[I Got A Fish|I got a fish!]] • [[Rollin' and Trollin']] • [[REAL Protest against the FAKE|BURN IN HELL!]] • [[It's UGH!|OK2BGay]] • [[Chris humps his PS3]] • [[SHOWDOWN: The TRUE CWC Confronts The FAKE]] • [[SingStar Challenge]] • [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|MY! NAME! IS! NOT! IAN! BRANDON! SOMETHING!]] • [[NO D*** WAY, IMPOSTOR!!!|DIEEEEEEE YOU!]] • [[CWC Fighter|I've got a little Chun-Li within me.]] • [[THAT IS MY HOUSE|OFF! THE! INTERNET!]] • [[Sign Destruction Video]] • [[Warning - Naughty Women ;)|Half-and-half!]] • [[12 October 2009|Chris Loses It]] • [[Twin Falling Towers|Chris Did 9/11]] • [[Father Call]] • [[Sonichu's Edge|Parkay]] • [[Bailey Jay#Interactions with Chris|OH MY GOD!!! UGH!!! ARE YOU REALLY A HERMAPHRODITE?!]] • [[12 January 2010|BUDDHA BELLY AND EXAGGERATED MANBOOBS!]] • [[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke|Patti will have your soul tonight!]] • [[Alec Benson Leary calls]] • [[Address to Mao, the S.O.B.|CURSE-YE-HA-ME-HA!]] • [[Don't Mess With Me]] • [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!]] • [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|Trolling stupid pickle suited...]] • [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|JEW!]] • [[Fridays After Five]] • [[JenkinsJinkiesCwckiApplication.MOV|JenkinsJinkies]] • [[Trollin Train#Hey, Everyone! J.J. has arrived. (Thu 29 July 2010 12:19 AM)|Chris writes underage gay erotica]] • [[The MovingFoward videos|Chris destroys his PS3]] • [[Song for Jackie.MOV|Mr Popo Cosplay]] • [[DivineTrial]] • [[ECV 00002|Electric Hedgehog power!]] • [[Lars Call|Chris Chan's a real nigga!]] • [[Tomgirl pictures]] • [[Cakefarts]] • [[It's not that cold|Goodbye Horses]] • [[Victory Rockout|Chris Rocks Out]] • [[28 October 2011|Chris and his mom do a hit-and-run]] • [[Mia_Hamm|No longer a virgin]] • [[2014 house fire|Burning down the house]] • [[Un-clit]] • [[Sonic Boom Protests|Sonic's arms are NOT blue!]] • [[26 December 2014|Don't call anybody!]] • [[HelloLadyFans]] • [[Proposition to Sega]] • [[Chris's Specimen Sample|Frozen Semen]] • [[Lesbian Sex Audition|Please have my babies.]] • [[Women Only Need Apply - No STD's|Stephanie Bustcakes]] • [[Eid, Pmurt, Eid|Die, Trump, die!]] • [[Self-inflicted taint wound|DIY Vagina]] • [[UVA Remembers Pulse|Do not hate! Hate is not so good.]] • [[HarassCWCdirectly#Video|#HarassCWCdirectly]] • [[BronyCon 2017#Dancing with Magi-Chan|Chris dances with Magi-Chan]] • [[CLog 10042017 - Q&A NO MORE|Q&A NO MORE!]] • [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]] • [[Dick Licker; that is I]] • [[All Star|Hey now, you're an All-Star!]] • [[TooManyGames#Kicked out|TooManyGames meltdown]] • [[Chris lost Crystal|AY, YOU TOILET!]] • [[Chris Kisses Cryzel]] • [[January 2019 videos#AHH.21|Chris screams at the camera]] • [[Future message from Crystal W Chandler|Just keep reading...]] • [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|The Last Will and Testament of Chris-Chan]] • [[Live Reading of SNT Vs Sonichu, Part 2|Why they would never deliver any pizza from this place you FRICKIN-FRACKIN HATING TROLLS!]] • [[Chandler's List|The time has come to start listing out the back-talkers]] • [[Goochland Library Sermon|THIS IS WHAT CHRIS ACTUALLY BELIEVES.]] • [[Cover song: “I’ll Be Your Mirror” by Velvet Underground|I'll Be Your Mirror]] • [[The Place chats - Book Stress|I crapped my panties]] • [[Direct Message to Hasbro: MLPG5 Is Cancelled.|HASBROOOOOOO!]] • [[Incest Call|The Point of No Return]] • [[Incest Arrest|The Perp Walk of Shame]] • [[Jail Letter - 19 September 2021|I am Literally also Jesus Christ]] • [[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022|It was all my Mom's Idea]] • [[Jail Letter - 1 June 2022|Pinned Down at the Nuthouse]] • [[DeviantART#Post-jail|AND I BRING, PERSONALLY, THE SECOND COMING.]] • [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned|Team Rocket's stupid!]] • [[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021|You shipped me with that Snorlax!]] • [[Grounded Deep Response|Classic Chris is dead]] • [[OG Sonichu Medallion Upgraded, Rebirthed and Redeemed|Rebirth of the medallion]] • [[Punicrackder-V Outtakes#Punicrackde- V Supplement/Outtake Plus Unedited Ending|BE GEEK BE YOU BE PROUD]] • [[Speaking Akashic|Chris speaks gibberish for about 2 minutes]] • [[HarmonyCon|Chris as the White Power Ranger]] • [[CLog 04012026 - A Confession|Chris Finally Confesses]]

March 2026

2026-03-27T16:36:10Z

Cottonmather: /* Videos */

{{ongoing}}
[[File:21 March 2026 Reddit post2.jpg|thumb|Chris in March]]
'''March''' [[2026]].

==Notable events==
* '''6 March''' - Chris publishes [[Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 1]].
* '''13 March''' - Chris makes a playlist for his ''Reading Chaos Crystal Control'' series and related videos, accidentally leaking the videos for Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus Parts 2 through 5. All of them unlisted and originally uploaded on 18 [[February 2026]].
* '''18 March''' - Chris uploads [[C-Log 03182026]].
* '''19 March'''
**''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' announces a new game which is to introduce new official characters [[CPU Blue Heart]] and [[CPU Red Heart]], superseding Chris's [[OC]]s of those characters. In response, Chris complains of his CPU Blue Heart lore being left out of the game.<ref>[[March 2026 social media posts#New Neptunia Unlimited game]]</ref>
**Chris resumes doing more [[Cameo]] videos.
* '''20 March''' - Chris publishes [[Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 2, Crystal - 1]], after twice editing it to attempt to delete material before its official release.
* '''21 March'''
**Chris begins spamming demands to a Twitter account promoting ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' to change the game's CPU Blue Heart's name.<ref>[[March 2026 social media posts#Demanding Blue Heart name change]]</ref>
**Chris twice attempts to post on [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]] complaining of comments people had been making about him. His posts are removed by AutoModerator and his account [[ban]]ned for evasive post tactics.<ref>[[Reddit#Yo (21 March 2026)]]</ref>
* '''22 March''' - Hearing that the [[carpetbagger]] [[Geno Samuel]] is making DVDs of him, Chris demands a 25% cut.<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats#Chris wants money from Geno]]</ref>
* '''24 March''' - Chris complains about the real CPU Blue Heart in a [[24 March 2026 Cameo videos#Chris Complains About The Real Blue Heart|Cameo video]].
* '''27 March''' - Chris publishes [[Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 3, Crystal - 2]].

==Activity==
===Chats===
*[[Geno Samuel DMs]]

===Posts===
*[[March 2026 social media posts]]
*[[Reddit]]

===Sightings===
*None yet.

===Videos===
*[[Reading Chaos Crystal Control|Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 1 to Part 5]]
*[[C-Log 03182026]]
*[[19 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[20 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
**[[Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)]]
*Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 2, Crystal - 1 (second version; unlisted)
*Reading Chaos Crystal Control Act Plus, Part 2, Crystal - 1 (third version; published)
*[[21 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[24 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[25 March 2026 Cameo videos]]
*[[26 March 2026 Cameo videos]]

{{References}}
{{timeline}}

2026-03-24T15:24:58Z

Cottonmather: You can see the post dates by mousing over '2 years ago' in the archive

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[[File:Sonichu on r-place.png|250px|center|thumb|[[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] appeared on [[Wikipedia:Place (Reddit)|r/Place]] in 2022]]

{| style="border:1px solid #ccc; padding:10px; margin-top:10px;"
| [[File:Sonichurplace2023.png|250px]] ''Sonichu in r/Place 2023'' 
| [[File:Prescreamsonichu.png|180px]] ''Sonichu in r/Place 2023 before'' ''he was covered up by [[Wikipedia:The Scream|The Scream]]''
|}
</div>

{{Incomplete|New account of Chris was found: https://archive.ph/gqkSb}}

'''Reddit''' is a social news aggregation, content rating, and discussion website. Registered users can post, rate, and comment on contents in boards called "subreddits."
Chris created an account in 30 May [[2016]], using the username u/CwcvilleGuardian1982. He also [[Chris and money|paid]] for Reddit Premium, a monthly subscription which would remove all ads and give him additional privileges in the site.

On 13 [[July 2021]] Chris created another Reddit account, using the username u/VirtualActuator7381.<ref>[[Telling It To All of You, and the Hasbro Executives and Staff]]</ref> So far, the only comment the account has made is a friend code for [[Pokémon]] Shuffle. Some time in early [[2024]] Chris created another Reddit account, u/Aggravating-Top-877, but he deleted this account on 21 [[March 2026]].

==r/PlanetDolan==
Chris submitted three questions in r/PlanetDolan, none of them are on topic regarding the subreddit's subject.

Years later, r/PlanetDolan set its sub to private in response to the 2023 {{w|Reddit API controversy}}, leaving Chris's posts invisible to those not invited.

===Why do we feel Great Shock (heart pain) upon hearing bad news? (30 May 2016)===
Submitted post
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Hey. Big fan of y'all's shows; I like learning. I like Shima and Malissa.

Anyhow, to further explain my question with a recent event. I don't get asked out much, and finding my lady Sweetheart and eventually being married and having a family has been an ambition of mine. Recently, I ended up informing my mother a reminder about all that. And amidst the discussion, she says to me, "On my own death bed, I do not care rather or not you have any children at all." It registered to me equal to "your future children can go to hell." It Hurt Deep, like a gunshot that pierced not only through my heart, but knocked my soul back far. I ended up crying, and I had an upset with gut pains and sweat that cleared up after the poo got out of my system. Either way, I am still recovering, and still feeling sad about this.

I want to add, and This Should Be a Life Lesson to ALL Parents, so please be sure to tell Everyone upon answering the question on your show:

"Parents, NEVER EVER tell your children or their children that you do not care if they never have children. Even IF you meant to ease their tension, it still can Very Much be interpreted as "Your future children can go to hell", or similar. No Matter What, it DOES Hurt them, young, teen and adult, DEEP!"

Thank you, and have a good and safe day.}}

===Can males be born with a hidden vagina (minus the uterus)? (3 July 2016)===
Submitted post

This post was made two weeks before he would make the [[self-inflicted taint wound]]. He also left a link to two [[Subliminal Frequency Hypnosis]] videos. Notably, Chris mistakes the [[wikipedia:Ischium|pelvic ischium]] (the pieces of the pelvis that form part of the hip bones), the [[wikipedia:Pubis (bone)|pubic bone]] and associated muscles in and around the perineum as an 'unbirthable Vagina', providing only further insight into the horrifying trains of thought Chris would have been undergoing when readying the knife he used on himself down the line.
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Hey. Boys, get ready to have your minds blown. As Planet Dolan has said, Everyone is Female inside the womb until if and when the "Y" chromosome mutates the girl to be a boy. Which, when you Really think about it, with Everyone being Female initially, even pre-birth, being "Manly" or "Manliness" is very much made up. Anyhow, and you can try this at home in private, push (maybe tough) into the center of the skin patch between your legs (the taint); you may find one or two grooves hidden under there. One of them, yes, is your unbirthable Vagina (since the uterus would be shrunk during the "Y" mutation).

Punchline: if every gay male knew about this, all they'd have to do is cut their taint, and they'd have a new hole to play with (seriously, though, maybe professional sugury would be Best for that business opening). OR, for the price of WiFi and your YouTube-Viewing device, you could try opening it, in as soon as six month (less if listened to more often) with a Subliminal Track. Check out this one from my favorite channel that offers it on YT.

https://youtu.be/oVdsmNv2ZMw

Or, if that title scares you, this other one might leave your sack free.

https://youtu.be/NLUjwljUzh4}}

===Things you do while waiting to fall asleep (13 September 2016)===
Submitted post
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Either if you're keeping yourself awake or actually working your brain to become better fatigued, how about a list of the dumbest, or otherwise the best, things to do while waiting to fall asleep.

For me, my best is while having my eyes closed and feeling comfy, I tire my brain by figuring out words that rhyme with a randomly chosen word, by choosing the word, than going through the alphabet one letter at a time to figure as many actual rhymes for that word.

An example: [[Random-access humor|"random". "Andom?", "Brandon", "condom"; bore your brain with repeated use of this brain teaser]].

And my obvious dumbest, playing solitaire on my phone (with the light on the dimmest setting). Obviously, the light, regardless of brightness, is enough to fool the brain into staying awake, even while Boeing yourself with Solitaire.}}

A user replied:

{{quotebox2|I search [[Tumblr|tumblr]] or instance gram maybe some [[Twitter|twitter]] before I fall asleep}}

===Retelling of his move to the [[Kacey Call 9|Short]] [[Jackie Chat 9|Bus]] (11 January 2017)===
Comment in post "What's the worst things that's happened to you on a school bus?"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/PlanetDolan/comments/5mos89/whats_the_worst_things_thats_happened_to_you_on_a/</ref>
{{quotebox|In my Freshman year of High School, [[1997]], I was on the regular bus for a while. I used to sit at the front and to the right side of the bus; right by the bus' door. I remember it was at a time after I started having to wear glasses for being nearsighted, since I was examined by my optomologist doctor, who is also my [[David Chandler|half-brother]], And got my glasses on the same day in '97, Groundhog Day; February 2. Anyhow, there was this rambunscious boy who wanted to be first off of the bus upon getting back home, about every time; I wanted first off of the bus as well. One day, that boy upped and punched my face, Just to be first off of the bus that day. AND the punch was so hard, he literally knocked my glasses off of me. The glasses did not get broken, but I was really hurt and upset. I walked and cried as I walked home from the bus stop that day. I told my parents about it; they contacted the school, and I ended up with the bad end of the deal: the boy got off scott-free, while, with being High-Functioning Autistic, got Demoted to riding on a handicapped bus for the rest of my High School years. Ugh! It gets worse, as I ended up with this really [[Slow-in-the-minds|worse-off mentally challenged person]], who could hardly ever speak other than "rrr"; that boy [[Kick the Autistic|bopped me on the back of the head for his own laughs]]. The special-ed teacher who rode on the bus talked with his brother about it, and he kept him from bopping me. But having to put up with his nonsensical slur-talk was still just as cringy and horrifying. UGH!!!}}

==r/ChrisChanSonichu==
[[File:250uz7helhva1.png|thumb|150px|The subreddit icon, created by the artist Liquid Christine.]]
'''r/ChrisChanSonichu''', created on 17 [[June 2014]], is the most popular Chris-related subreddit on Reddit with over 77k members. It has become the primary place for posting [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|post-jail sightings]] of Chris, along with [[Saga#Incognito_Saga_(10_August_2023_-_Present)|discoveries of online activity]]. Many of their members have been responsible for discovering more information regarding the post-jail sightings.

The top posts on the subreddit consist of reactions during the [[Affair with Mother|incest]] fallout, a time where Chris Chan went mainstream, but for all, '''''all''''' the wrong reasons.

Chris made multiple posts in the subreddit beginning in [[September 2018]], when he asked a fan artist to collaborate with him.

[[Helena Fiorenza]] dislikes the subreddit, describing it as "hellish" and "horrifying" in a February 2024 tweet chain with Chris.<ref>[[February 2024 social media posts#r/ChrisChanSonichu]]</ref>

===Chris likes a fan's statue and confirms his existence (25 September 2018)===
Comment in post "My Magnum Opus and Tribute to the legendary Sonichu - an original 3D Printable Statue" by user SimonSandinista
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Totes Awesome! Listen, I want you to email me at christine@cwcville.us, so I can hire you to be my main figure maker for Sonichu, Rosechu, myself and so forth, as long as you can paint the figures as well.}}

A user expresses his surprise at his presence.
{{quoteboxred|speaker=purosossego|what the fuck? is this chris chan for real?}}

Chris confirmed:
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Yep. 😊}}

===Chris wants the 3D Statue (9 October 2018)===
Comment in post "3D Printed Sonichu Statue!" by user SimonSandinista

On 26 September 2018, one day after posting the statue, the same user created another post and expressed his interest in sending it to Chris:
{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=SimonSandinista|I really really want to send it to Chris! I've sent her an email but I've not heard back yet. Fingers crossed!}}

On 9 October, Chris read the post and answered:
{{quotebox|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Yes, please! 😊}}
{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=SimonSandinista|Hey Chris, would you kindly send me a message on here so I can work out the best way to get this to you? I'm based in the EU so I'll need to post it over to CWCVille.}}

===Toys For Tots (3 January 2024)===
Comment in post "First video of 2024" by user WanderingStrang. The post is a picture of the video [[Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba]]

One user replied:
{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=Much-Moose9396|So THAT'S what he did with those "donated" toys for tots}}

Chris responded:
{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|As if the obvious visual from Behind the car in the Donation video was not evident to be next to Lynchburg’s City Hall and the Library underneath it where the donations were taken. Ask one of the children who received from Toys For Tots last year with the ⚡️💙⚡️ marked on the box or plush tag.}}

===You blew it (7 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Chris chan kicked out of Animate! Raleigh" by user DeadStargazer

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|You blew it, guys. You could have had the opportunities to take “Bigfoot” photos of her over the weekend and actually approached and smell rather or not she actually stunk or smelled like deodorant. But noo, you weens had to go and lie to the organizers like how they before you made the gore and death-filled fictions that no one really cares about, because they lacked care, heart and compassion. Fucking shitbags, the lot of you.}}

===Chris will never join TikTok (14 January 2024)===
Comment in now deleted post asking about if CWC is on TikTok

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|Never}}

===Chris will not hit on Keffals (14 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Taking All Bets: Will Chris hit on Keffals?" by user JewceBoxHer0

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|No}}

===Chris is sober (15 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Is Chris sober in this??" by user moralmeemo. The post is a picture of the video [[Focused, Divine Guidances - 01142024]].

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|Yes}}

===Fake Elitemate account (15 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Newly discovered old dating profile from elitemate?" by user HotMonth1798

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|Fake}}

===Ren Ryghts blocked (17 January 2024)===
Comment in post "Chris blocked the ween that bought him Persona 5" by user Akkonii. The post is a picture of [[Ren Ryghts]] complaining about being blocked by Chris.

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|You called her fake and sided with someone else who was not her in jest; that was enough.}}

===Chris Reads Comments (21 March 2026)===
Comment in post "CWC Rages About Faith, Intelligence, and Abusers" by user noob_bitch

{{quotebox|speaker=Aggravating-Top-877|I have read your comments, and I am very disappointed. If you want to comment, comment like you were talking to me in person and face-to-face on Reddit, as well as on KiwiFarms. 😠⚡️}}

===Yo (21 March 2026)===
Submitted post

Chris attempted to make this post twice to r/ChrisChanSonichu. He first posted on his Aggravating-Top-877 account, which was removed by AutoModerator on suspicion of being too new or having low karma. He then deleted the account and attempted a repost with his CwcvilleGuardian1982 account, but AutoModerator removed the post again for the same reason. Chris's CwcvilleGuardian1982 account then received an automatic sitewide [[ban]] over the evasive posting tactics.

Chris's post from CwcvilleGuardian1982 was manually approved by modstaff the following day; his earlier post from Aggravating-Top-877 was unrecoverable due to Chris deleting the account.

{{quotebox|[[File:21 March 2026 Reddit post1.jpg|200px]][[File:21 March 2026 Reddit post2.jpg|200px]]

I have read your comments, and I am very disappointed. If you want to comment, comment like you were talking to me in person and face-to-face on Reddit, as well as on KiwiFarms. 😠⚡️}}

==r/CultofCWC==
'''r/CultOfCWC''' is a subreddit created by [[Righteous4CWC]], populated by [[enablers]] and [[white knights]] who worship Chris. Chris was a moderator, though at some point he was demodded.

===A Good and Blessed Day to you all (27 August 2019)===
Submitted post

On 27 August 2019, role-playing as [[Magi-Chan]], Chris made an announcement in response to being made a moderator of the subreddit.
{{quoteboxpurple|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|It is indeed I, Magi-Chan Sonichu. I am humbled to be included in this as a Moderator. And for the first post from myself, I would like to ask you all on Christine’s behalf to share your stories.

From which of her past deeds has brought up this following?

And, in your own respective words, how has she brought light upon you?

I feel it advised and well for her to read these responses for herself when she can, so, please, do share.

Thank you. 💜⚡️}}

===Ah. I sense and see it. (28 August 2019)===
Submitted post

{{quoteboxpurple|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Well, the CWC-Senses are going off; something is happening that woke this body up and is keeping it from falling back to sleep.

Ah. I sense and see it: the Coast-to-Coast storm is coming; Christine is coming into her better powers between her soul there and her body here. Also, a potential literal heavy rain pattern in the width of the United States.}}

==r/PokemonShuffle==
===Pokémon Friend Code (9 February 2025)===
Comment in post "Friend Zone: Mobile Friend Code Megathread! - Week 06 2025"<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/PokemonShuffle/comments/1il85vq/friend_zone_mobile_friend_code_megathread_week_06/ ([https://archive.fo/xdACX archive])</ref>

{{quotebox|speaker=VirtualActuator7381|QTE6T4L9 US}}
==Other Comments left by Chris==
===Magi-Chan Appears (25-28 August 2019)===
{{MagiChanPossession}}
During his phase of [[role-play]]ing as [[Magi-Chan]], Chris commented on [[Jacob Sockness]]'s post on him offering a blood sacrifice in r/CultofCWC six days earlier:
{{quoteboxpurple|You did not as much summon Christine, as much as I, Magi-Chan Sonichu, Present in her body. 💜⚡️<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20190826151810/https://www.reddit.com/r/CultOfCWC/comments/crxuxb/i_gave_her_my_blood/ey49z7s/?context=3 Archive of Chris's comment on r/CultofCWC]</ref>}}
A day later in the same thread, Chris would explain the reasoning behind the merge.
{{quoteboxpurple|Ah. The Dimensional Merge was not evoked by myself, but evoked by necessity and mutual wishes from all intelligent and mentally able inhabitants between both Dimensions. A mutual desire between Creators/Artists and Fans, and their respective and favourite OCs that are exist in the same situations and circumstances of the same timeline between the two. For example: Stan Lee wished to hang out and work with his Marvel creations, and Tony Stark and the others have been most wanting to with him. And even the fan artists/creators, including those in the Brony Analyst Community, have wish to be with their OCs, like Amy Methvan with Mary Sue and Maddy (though she will end up meeting Christine’s Gary Stu as well, since he and Mary have been together now; finally have their one child). As well as most Everyone around the Earth and throughout the Galaxies and Beyond in this Dimension 1218, and the same in C-197.

Many a “mythical being” such as unicorns and dragons that were real back in the early AD years and castle ages who all Did exist in 1218 were banished to the other side of the Dimensional Curtain into C-197. And many a similar figure, even deity type, fell into that dimension as well, but always kept watch over both Earths. And over the centuries, many an OC continued to be created and discovered by the Creators, Artists, Authors and Chroniclers of 1218, and they all wished they could see, meet and/or hang out with the OCs once again or for the first time.

This plan had been retroactive and in planning and processing for about a millennium or so by the Deities, including Fate and Destiny; they all have been collaborating in this as well. Especially to work against the likes of Jakoba, the fiendish demon who stole a godly title, among others who wield such great power.

The Merge is happening from a series of events that not only involve the deities, including Christine, but also many a Psychically Powerful, Sorcerer, Magical and Ritualistic individual who have been doing so, in their respective, fated methods and ways, all of this time, including their descendants.

The events have been happening, and Christine, with my personal help, is working hard and doing her best to gather energy to beat her abilities and power, so she can do better with the others on this side of the curtain to be able to complete the events that, in part, take down the Dimensional Curtain, but also Merge our two dimensions and pairs of worlds together.}}

A fan asked if Chris could turn water into wine. "Magi-Chan" answered:

{{quoteboxpurple|Christine can do a lot more than that. But to answer your question, though not fully doable on the 1218 side of the Dimensional Curtain yet, she is able to draw up a [[Messiah complex|water-to-wine conversion]] and vice-versa.}}

Another fan asked a question which was later deleted. "Magi-Chan" replied:

{{quoteboxpurple|Yes, I have access to everything in her brain.

To me, a body is a body, but hers is quite the beautiful and special body, indeed.

💜⚡️}}

Comment in post "Ah. I sense and see it."

[[Multidimensional White Knights]] said:

{{quoteboxred|Dorian is heading to Florida in 1218, that looks to be the first sign. ALL HAIL THE CPU GODDESS AND HER HUSBAND MAGI-CHAN!

-Etno}}

"Magi-Chan" replied:

{{quoteboxpurple|Very observant and perceptive of you; very good job. Here is a Gold Star for you as well. ⭐️ 💜⚡️}}

==DMs==
===Lottery Question===
{{MagiChanPossession}}
According to [[Kiwi Farms]] user Pickle Inspector, he had reached out to Chris (who was role-playing as Magi-Chan at the time), and asked him "why Magi-Chan doesn’t just give Chris the lottery numbers if they’re so desperate for money all the time." Chris answered:<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Lottery Question]]</ref>

{{quoteboxpurple|speaker=CwcvilleGuardian1982|Yes, I could, but my actions would go into further deity level judgment and consideration in respect to the present stream of events and the future outcomes. Such fortuitous blessings are indeed Fated. Should I attempt a personal gain callously, it is likely in my foreseeing attempt at the number would yield the desired winning result. But there remains the possibility that Fate had something else in mind and would either disrupt my ability to identify the numbers in consistent results on multiple checking within all timelines of this Dimension, or the numbers would simply be changed upon the final moment. Fate is kind and cruel, but quite fair and just.

In the backup plans for finances, I look into the near future events that among which would more likely bear fruit. Like the Philanthropist whose $2700 Tweet I retweeted on Christine's Twitter; I foresaw in consistent checks that was a most likely positive result, so I went with it. I did not retweet it on my account, as mine would likely be considered as false, plus I would not want to be judged for an unfair advantage in such a Random draw.}}

Later, Chris followed up:

{{quoteboxpurple|I will also admit: Christine never really had a solid head for Business and Management for many years; she is still improving and learning. And I have been able to be a better guide for her; it remains a long and winding path to financial stability. She is at least branching out and offering to collaborate with others. Her influence is also more positive, and I am glad for her.}}

{{collapsible|Gallery|
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File:Pickle Inspector-Magi-Chan Lottery Question DM-min.jpeg
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==References==
<references/>

==External links==
*https://www.reddit.com/user/CwcvilleGuardian1982/
*https://old.reddit.com/user/VirtualActuator7381/
*[https://archive.ph/gqkSb Archive of Aggravating-Top-877's account]
*[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/ r/ChrisChanSonichu, Reddit's unoffical Chris-chan subreddit]
{{ThirdExile}}
{{IncognitoSaga}}
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Love is Love (song)

2026-03-22T22:22:08Z

Cottonmather:

[[File:Chris Chan and Boi Spicy.jpg|thumb|200px]]
:''This article is about the song released in February 2018. For other uses, see [[Love is Love|the disambiguation page]].''

In [[February 2018]], Chris collaborated with Boi Spicy, a musical group which described itself as a boy band, to sing '''"Love is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)"'''.<ref name=bandcamp>{{Cite web|url=https://boispicy.bandcamp.com/album/love-is-love-not-youve-been-pwned-feat-chris-chan/|autoarchive=20201107225459|writer=Boi Spicy|title= Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned) (Feat. Chris Chan)
|website=Bandcamp}}</ref> He had written the song's lyrics for [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]] in [[September 2017]].

Note how Chris is not really singing, but more just saying the lyrics, and the music does not match up with the words at all.

Following Chris's [[Incest call|admission of incest]] with his mother becoming public, Boi Spicy removed the song from their Bandcamp page.<ref name=bandcamp/> In [[2026]], Chris rerecorded the song with new lyrics using an [[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI-generated]] backing track.

==Audio==
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name =
| video = {{#ev:youtube|YL6Cxpn4TC0}}
| stardate = 5 February 2018
| saga = {{Business|text}}
| subject = {{Music|text}}
| Other =
| }}

==Lyrics==
<poem>
I'm a little country pop
We're gonna make your hatred stop
I tell you straight up, no lies
Our emotions, thoughts and love
Come from deep in our hearts and souls
Our solid, truest alibis

(Chorus)
We are prideful
We've got Love Is Love
We're not steppin' down
We've got heart, we've got soul
No trollin' bully's gonna tell us
"You've been pwned!"

I share a hug, I share a smile
I share a prayer
My love goes on for many a mile
Kindness and honesty, my caring goal
Show me hatred, cuss and fuss
I shall not bend or cry
Shield of heart, confidence and will
I don’t hear you, troll!

(Chorus)

Put us down?
I show my heart
In the right place
Love for you, Tart

Jam with me
Share a tune
Sing the song
Let's croon!

Our pride is my pride!
We stand strong and tall!
Love Is Love conquers hate
We will not fall!

(Chorus)
</poem>

==2026 version==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)
| video = {{#ev:youtube|Q_P-2ivglPw}}
| stardate = 21 [[March 2026]]
| subject =
| style = {{Reason|text}}
| shirt = [[HarmonyCon|HarmonyCon hoodie]]
| previous =
| next =
}}
===Description===
{{quotebox|The song by the three of us as written back in [[2009]], featured in [[Sonichu 12|Sonichu Book #12]]. Specially recorded by a popular request.

Sung, personally, by Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime.

Lyrics written by [[Jamsta Sonichu]], [[Lolisa Rosechu]] and [[Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime]]

Music by suno.com, ([[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI Generated music]])}}

===Lyrics===
{{transcript}}

==References==
<references/>

{{Music Videos}}

Love is Love (song)

2026-03-22T22:20:36Z

Cottonmather:

[[File:Chris Chan and Boi Spicy.jpg|thumb|200px]]
:''This article is about the song released in February 2018. For other uses, see [[Love is Love|the disambiguation page]].''

In [[February 2018]], Chris collaborated with Boi Spicy, a musical group which described itself as a boy band, to sing '''"Love is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)"'''.<ref name=bandcamp>{{Cite web|url=https://boispicy.bandcamp.com/album/love-is-love-not-youve-been-pwned-feat-chris-chan/|autoarchive=20201107225459|writer=Boi Spicy|title= Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned) (Feat. Chris Chan)
|website=Bandcamp}}</ref> He had written the song's lyrics for [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]] in [[September 2017]].

Note how Chris is not really singing, but more just saying the lyrics, and the music does not match up with the words at all.

Following Chris's [[Incest call|admission of incest]] with his mother becoming public, Boi Spicy removed the song from their Bandcamp page.<ref name=bandcamp/> In [[2026]], Chris rerecorded the song using an [[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI-generated]] backing track.

==Audio==
{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name =
| video = {{#ev:youtube|YL6Cxpn4TC0}}
| stardate = 5 February 2018
| saga = {{Business|text}}
| subject = {{Music|text}}
| Other =
| }}

==Lyrics==
<poem>
I'm a little country pop
We're gonna make your hatred stop
I tell you straight up, no lies
Our emotions, thoughts and love
Come from deep in our hearts and souls
Our solid, truest alibis

(Chorus)
We are prideful
We've got Love Is Love
We're not steppin' down
We've got heart, we've got soul
No trollin' bully's gonna tell us
"You've been pwned!"

I share a hug, I share a smile
I share a prayer
My love goes on for many a mile
Kindness and honesty, my caring goal
Show me hatred, cuss and fuss
I shall not bend or cry
Shield of heart, confidence and will
I don’t hear you, troll!

(Chorus)

Put us down?
I show my heart
In the right place
Love for you, Tart

Jam with me
Share a tune
Sing the song
Let's croon!

Our pride is my pride!
We stand strong and tall!
Love Is Love conquers hate
We will not fall!

(Chorus)
</poem>

==2026 version==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Love Is Love (Not You've Been Pwned)
| video = {{#ev:youtube|Q_P-2ivglPw}}
| stardate = 21 [[March 2026]]
| subject =
| style = {{Reason|text}}
| shirt = [[HarmonyCon|HarmonyCon hoodie]]
| previous =
| next =
}}
===Description===
{{quotebox|The song by the three of us as written back in [[2009]], featured in [[Sonichu 12|Sonichu Book #12]]. Specially recorded by a popular request.

Sung, personally, by Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime.

Lyrics written by [[Jamsta Sonichu]], [[Lolisa Rosechu]] and [[Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime]]

Music by suno.com, ([[Chris and Artificial Intelligence|AI Generated music]])}}

===Lyrics===
{{transcript}}

==References==
<references/>

{{Music Videos}}

Wikipedia

2026-03-09T17:31:34Z

Cottonmather: /* Current situation */

{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
{{clear}}

==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
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==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which featured a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to backlash after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy. This mention was removed two days later.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref> The page was later deleted.

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
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Cottonmather:

{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
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==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
</blockquote>

==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which included a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to backlash after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy. This mention was removed two days later.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref>

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
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{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
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==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
</blockquote>

==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which included a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to backlash after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref>

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
{{The Internet}}
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[[Category:Websites]]

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2026-02-14T09:11:45Z

Cottonmather: /* Current situation */

{{Quote|I ONLY WISH TO TELL [[Honest Content|THE TRUTH]] AND SPREAD IT ON THE [[Chris and the Internet|INTERNET]].|Chris}}
On 1 [[May 2009]], [[Christian Weston Chandler]] registered on '''{{w|Wikipedia}}''' as [[Chris-chan Sonichu|ChrisChanSonichu]]. He did this almost solely to create a user page that is to record one of the most in-depth autobiographical accounts of his life.<ref>[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu User talk:ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref>

A user page is not a proper article, and therefore not subject to the same strict guidelines as an article, but as biographical and personal an article as Chris's was a flagrant violation of Wikipedia policy. The Wikipedia community tends to frown on the use of the user pages as web space;<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:User pages#Excessive unrelated content}}</ref> the user pages should usually be reserved for purposes somehow related to the Wikipedia project, and user pages for users who don't contribute anything to the articles frequently get deleted. Chris, of course, made it abundantly clear that he's not interested in actually editing the project.

Chris's user page was deleted by a Wikipedia administrator, who believed it to be the work of a [[troll]]. Sadly, the [[Chris's Wikipedia profile|details]] shows that this was the real deal.

The only other thing Chris did was add his name to the article on high-functioning [[autism]], under the list of "famous individuals that may have had many different variations of autism along with HFA."<ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?limit=50&tagfilter=&title=Special%3AContributions&contribs=user&target=ChrisChanSonichu&namespace=&tagfilter=&year=&month=-1 User contributions for ChrisChanSonichu], Wikipedia</ref><ref>[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=High-functioning_autism&diff=prev&oldid=287579250 High-functioning autism], Wikipedia</ref> The kicker is that [[Chris and his ego|he put himself right next to]] {{w|Michelangelo}}. [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|Again]].

To date, the "Christian Weston Chandler" article on Wikipedia has been created by trolls four times and deleted each time: 15 [[February 2009|February]], 26 [[March 2009|March]], 28 [[April 2009|April]] and 3 [[May 2009]].<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian Weston Chandler}}</ref> It has consequently been "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" or protected so that it cannot be re-created under that title. Chris's account was also blocked indefinitely for violating many rules. The page on [[Ruckersville, VA|Ruckersville, Virginia]] is also locked to non-autoconfirmed users to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris.

To this day, discussions still regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens to fans, to even normal Wikipedians. So far, no such page has been created on English-language Wikipedia. Furthermore, pages discussing things that Chris would logically be relevant to, such as {{w|Kiwi Farms|their article for}} [[Kiwi Farms]] (itself the successor to [[CWCki Forums]], which is named after this very Wiki and Chris by extension) and {{w|List of people claimed to be Jesus}} ([[Messiah complex|as Chris has done]]), go out of their way to not mention Chris by name. As of [[October 2020]], Chris remains upset over the lack of Wikipedia coverage on him and Sonichu.<ref name=placewikipedia>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]]</ref>

==[[May 2009]] drama==
In a [[Captain's Log, Stardate May 3rd, 2009|video]] on 3 May, Chris makes a case for his worthiness and rallies his [[True and Honest]] [[fans]] to restore his biography. He also posted the following on his Wikipedia discussion page:

{{quotebox|Dear Sir/Madam,

LOOK, I do not have the appropriate [[Slow-in-the-minds|calm state of mind]] to make time to READ those numerous upon numerous small-print details, much less memorize them. I have had a LOT of SLANDEROUS TWISTS OF MY OWN WORDS done unto me in the past SOO MUCH, it is HARDEST for me to get a [[job]] in a place that does background checks, only to find that cursed [[ED|E.D]]. Page those EVIL [[trolls|TROLLS]] created against me at the TOP of the list.

I started [[CWCipedia|my OWN Wikipedia]] page to hopefully counter that and better the people's General Understand of the Noble Gentleman I truly am. I SPENT HOURS, recalling MEMORY after MEMORY to type up the [[HONEST]]-TO-GOD TRUTH.

I DO NOT CARE about the erroneous listings or false information listed on other pages; I ONLY WISH TO TELL THE TRUTH AND SPREAD IT ON THE INTERNET.

Plus, I have [[Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Anne Hudgens]] as an honest, very close [[Gal-Pal]], and you know very well how powerful she is as a STAR.

I have created [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_May_3rd,_2009|a video on YouTube]] respectfully asking to leave my Wikipedia ALONE with MY HONEST TRUTH from MY OWN High-Functioning Autistic Head; my [[Fanbase|LOYAL FANBASE]] will be sending you letters.

UNDO YOUR DELETION, PLEASE.

--Christian Weston Chandler (talk) 01:25, 4 [[May 2009]] (UTC) }}

In short, Chris didn't give a shit about contributing to Wikipedia, only aiming to use it as a means to present what he thinks he is without needing to vandalize his Encyclopedia Dramatica page.

==Mainspace articles involving Chris==
[[File:Cwc on wikipedia.png|200px|thumb|left|Note that it calls us an "infamous" wiki.]]
On 13 [[August 2010]], a new article on Mr. Chandler was created under the name Christian W. Chandler. The article consisted of the following:

{{Quotebox|'''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born '''Christopher Weston Chandler''' on 24 February 1982) is an illustrator from Charlottesville, Virginia. He is known mainly as the creator of '''Sonichu''', a fan fiction comic based off the [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon]] franchise. He was also featured in the May 2004 issue of [[Nintendo Power Magazine|Nintendo Power]] for his documentary, the April 2005 issue of Nintendo Power, and the community college newspaper for [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]].

Christian Weston Chandler's birth name was, in fact, '''Christopher'''. It took a chance encounter with [http://www.leonardbearstein.com/ Leonard Bearstein] in Regency Square Mall for his current name to be bestowed upon him. Aged 11 at the time, Chris and his father were in the mall for holiday shopping when Chris came across Leonard and engaged him in conversation. The man behind the microphone, mishearing the name "Christopher", addressed the young boy as Christian, a name that struck a chord within the young Chandler's heart. All it took was one legal name change for Christian to assume the identity he carries with him to this day. He acknowledges jokingly that it was as if God spoke through the bear to give him the name he always wanted.}}

The article used Chris's two ''[[Nintendo Power]]'' appearances, as well as the [[Animal Crossing Documentary#PVCC.27s news report|writeup]] in the [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|PVCC]] ''Forum'' and the [[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]] article as references. Only a day later, this article was also nominated for deletion; it got deleted less than an hour-and-a-half later after the author requested it to be deleted.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christian W. Chandler}}</ref> Further inspection showed that the article creator was a sockpuppet of a user who had previously been banned from Wikipedia.

On 21 [[April 2016]], an article was created under the title '''Sonichu (Comic)''' and soon nominated for deletion; the article without the (Comic) qualifier was already protected from creation. It read, as of 22 April 2016:

{{Quotebox|Sonichu is the comic created by Christian Weston Chandler, which combines the Pokémon, Pikachu and Sonic the Hedgehog. THe comics contain several references to Chris's real life and he has also created numerous custom Pokemon cards featuring Sonichu and other characters from the series. Sonichu is a recolor of Sonic the Hedgehog in Pikachu yellow, and he travels with a human companion named Chris, who is based on the real-life author. You can see many of these cards as well as a more detailed biography of the character at this link: http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Sonichu_(character)}}

==Other Wikipedia edits of note==
[[File:Meganwikipedia.png|200px|thumb|right|Megan disapproves.]]
[[File:Smitheywiki.jpg|200px|thumb|left|Cole approves.]]
In January and February 2010, [[Megan Schroeder]] (or a person pretending to be her) removed references to Chris from the Wikipedia articles on Manchester High School and [[Cole Smithey]].<ref>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Meganshroeder</ref> Her edit summaries both ended with "that was either put there by vandals or by Christian under the assumption he is important enough to be mentioned (he is mentally handicapped)." Less than a day later, her edit summaries were struck out.

The articles' histories indicate that both mentions of Chris were added by anonymous users who most likely are not Chris, as the genuine article would have been far more [[Chris and English|verbose and rambling]]. One editor cited this very wiki as a reference, running afoul of Wikipedia's policy on {{w|Wikipedia:Reliable sources|reliable sources}}. As our own Wwwwolf put it, "Sorry, but Chris can't be mentioned here either unless there are reliable sources for this. That means actual publications. Also see Biographies of Living Persons on why sourcing stuff in biographies is such a big deal. This is not CWCki or ED; please remember Wikipedia's rules." Skimming through the talk page and edit history of any article even remotely connected with Chris reveals large amounts of petty vandalism from [[weens]].<ref group = note>Articles infected with Chris related vandalism include [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sean_Marshall&diff=next&oldid=350396058 Sean Marshall], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ruckersville,_Virginia&diff=399557954&oldid=399169556 Ruckersville], [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Charlottesville,_Virginia&diff=315040313&oldid=315040250 Charlottesville] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jimmy_Hill&diff=276226199&oldid=276119469 Jimmy Hill], among others. </ref> This has led Wikipedia to set their {{w|Wikipedia:Edit filter}} to prevent users from making edits with Chris-related phrases.<ref group = note>For more info see the [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:AbuseLog&wpSearchFilter=257 filter log] of filter 257 - Sonichu and other repeat vandalism. The phrases [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4961668 "Christian Weston Chandler"] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseLog/4954315 "Sonichu"] are disallowed by this filter.</ref>

On 22 [[February 2010]], the article on Cole Smithey was placed up for deletion.<ref>{{w|Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Cole Smithey}}</ref> The first two votes in the discussion both called for the deletion of the article, and both made explicit mention of Chris; the second one read, "'''Strong delete''' unless somebody wishes to write a sourced, neutral article about him. Otherwise, this serves as cannon fodder for the ChrisChan Sonichu fanatics over at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]." The article was deleted on 1 March.

It should also be noted that an account with the name Cole Smithey edited the Wikipedia article on Cole, and spammed film articles with links to his reviews. Whether or not this is the real Cole (who is known to be rather egotistical) remains to be seen.
{{clear}}

==Wikipedia salting and edit filters==

"Christian Weston Chandler", "Sonichu" and related titles are currently "{{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#Creation protection (salting)|salted}}" (protected from creation) so pages cannot be created under that title.<ref>Public logs for: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112152/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christopher_Weston_Chandler Christopher]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112154/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christian_Weston_Chandler Christian]/[https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112156/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Christine_Weston_Chandler Christine] Weston Chandler; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112343/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Chris-Chan Chris-Chan]; [https://web.archive.org/web/20191210112353/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Log?page=Sonichu Sonichu].</ref> Pages for places and institutions associated with Chris, such as {{w|Ruckersville, Virginia}} and {{w|Manchester High School (Virginia)|Manchester High School}}, are also locked to non-autoconfirmed users, to prevent people from adding mentions of Chris. The titles "{{w|Christine Chandler}}" and "{{w|Chris Chan}}" are used for an unrelated New Mexico state legislator and Singaporean sports executive respectively.

In August 2011, Wikipedia set up a special filter called [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:AbuseFilter/1159 "filter 1,159: Chris Chan monitoring"] which flags mentions of "Chris Chan" in all new edits made to the website.

This edit filter has been expanded over the years to include text variations of Chris Chan, Christine, Christian, Christopher, Weston Chandler, Sonichu, and Isabella Janke.

The code for the edit filter is:
<blockquote>
equals_to_any(page_namespace, 0, 1, 2, 118) &
(page_id != 80266017) & (page_id != 80266193) & /* Exclude unrelated article and its talk page */
!('bot' in user_groups) &
(
exp := "\b(chris(tine)?[ -]chan|(christine|christian|christopher) weston chandler)\b|sonichu|isabella janke";

added_lines irlike exp &
!(removed_lines irlike exp)
)
</blockquote>

==Current situation==
Lengthy discussions on the talk pages for these articles debating whether Chris is worthy of inclusion have been scrubbed from the site. The closest it has come is in 2021 after the [[Affair with Mother|incest case]], which was agreed against as it would violate the policies on harassment and the principle that Wikipedia must not be a place for speculation or for news, and because some people in contact with Chris have been accused of serious crimes themselves, which would violate the child protection and criminal BLP policies.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/Archive335#Creating_the_%22Chris_Chan%22_article</ref>

The article for {{w|Kiwi Farms}} is an unusual case, since Chris is undeniably relevant to the history of the site. However, the article ties itself in knots trying to avoid mentioning Chris by name and gender-specific pronouns, despite mentioning the [[CWCki]]:

{{quotebox|[[Kiwi Farms]] was founded in [[2013]] by [[Joshua Conner Moon]] (known as "Null" on the website), a former [[4-cent_garbage.com|8chan]] [[Jerkop|administrator]]. It was originally launched as a forum website to [[troll]] and harass [[Christian Weston Chandler|a webcomic artist]] who was first noticed in [[2007]] on the Something Awful forums. Eventually, an [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] page was created about the artist. A dedicated wiki, titled "[[CWCki]]" based on the artist's initials, was created by [[Cogsdev|people]] who felt that the Encyclopedia Dramatica entry was not [[Honest Content|detailed or accurate enough]]. Kiwi Farms was originally called "[[CWCki Forums]]" before "Kiwi Farms" was coined in [[2014]].}}

Attempts to name Chris on the article have repeatedly been swiftly reverted and [[Shot to the moon|entirely deleted from the history page]],<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Kiwi_Farms ''Note: deleted revisions described as "disruptive" are usually attempts to name Chris on the article.''</ref> and the article has also received {{w|Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended|Extended Protection}}, which is usually only reserved for the most widely known figures or topics in history, in order to "promote compliance with the {{w|Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons|policy of biographies of living persons.}}"

Wikipedia administrators and editors enforce non-naming due to a number of problems such as conflicts with Biographies of living persons guidelines<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Biographies_of_living_persons</ref> (particularly the "Avoid victimization" section.)<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Kiwi_Farms/Archive_3#:~:text=List%20of%20previous%20discussions%20on%20this%20talk%20page%20and%20others</ref> In [[June 2019]], Chris requested that his name be censored or removed from the Kiwi Farms article due to making him feel uneasy, adding he wouldn't mind having his own dedicated article instead.<ref>[[June 2019 social media posts#Chris Maintains his vendetta against the Farms]]</ref> Still, discussions continue to regularly appear on Wikipedia debating over whether Chris is notable enough to be included or mentioned on Wikipedia, with users ranging from weens, to fans, to even normal Wikipedians.

In [[October 2020]], Chris tried looking up his name on Wikipedia to see if there was a page on him and was pissed off over the omission of both himself and Sonichu, calling it "royal levels of suck" that there was nothing on Wikipedia about himself. [[Anaxis]] pointed out that there was an article on the Polish Wikipedia, but Chris retorted, "Oh, sure, Poland, but not on American Wikipedia", calling the latter the country he and Sonichu were born in.<ref name=placewikipedia></ref>

On 1 [[October 2021]], [[Geno Samuel]] appeared on the 68th episode of the Trash Taste podcast. The episode's title, "The Dark World of Chris Chan (ft. Geno Samuel)," was listed on the podcast's Wikipedia page, finally earning Chris a mention on the website.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trash_Taste</ref>

The Wikipedia article for r/place includes an image of the project's 2022 canvas, which included a depiction of Sonichu. However, the image used on Wikipedia was downscaled to a degree that rendered the drawing unrecognizable.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R/place#2022_experiment</ref>

On 26 [[May 2024]], Chris received [[:File:Chris 2 votes 2024 LNC.jpg|two official write-in votes]] for the Presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, briefly earning him another mention on Wikipedia, this time by full name. However, the next day, his mention was removed.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Libertarian_National_Convention#Notes</ref>

On 30 [[October 2025]], a draft page was created for the [[CWCki]], which went to great lengths to strictly follow Wikipedia's guidelines as well as avoid mentioning Chris by name. The draft was, in fact, found to follow Wikipedia's rules, and therefore was not immediately removed. However, the draft was ultimately rejected two times, as editors argued that CWCki was not uniquely notable as a separate entity from Kiwi Farms.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:CWCki</ref>

On 13 [[February 2026]], video game developer [[Edmund McMillen]] was subject to controversy after including controversial voice cameos, notably including a cameo from Chris, in his video game [[Mewgenics]]. This resulted in Chris once again earning a second mention on mainspace Wikipedia, again by full name, in a section discussing the controversy.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mewgenics#Controversy</ref>

==List of Chris-adjacent people with significant mentions on Wikipedia==
*{{w|Boogie2988}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|CopperCab}}
*{{w|Cr1TiKaL}}<ref>https://ghostarchive.org/varchive/wF_DenHZBCQ</ref>
*{{w|Count Dankula}}
*{{w|Danny Brown}}<ref>https://archive.fo/ZN10c</ref>
*{{w|Edmund McMillen}}
*{{w|Harry Partridge}}
*{{w|HotDiggedyDemon}}<ref>[[Sightings (2025)#Red Lobster]]</ref><ref>[[March 2025 livestreams#Jesus Christ Chan - Sonic 2006 Speed Run]]</ref>
*{{w|Joshua Moon}}
*{{w|Keemstar}}<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sc4zcmFhkhY</ref>
*{{w|Keffals}}
*{{w|Milo Yiannopoulos}}
*{{w|Monica Rial}}
*{{w|List_of_My_Little_Pony:_Friendship_Is_Magic_characters|Nowacking}}
*{{w|OneyPlays}}
*{{w|PewDiePie}}
*{{w|Tara Strong}}
*{{w|Thundercat (musician)}}<ref>https://archive.ph/cTEN8</ref>
*{{w|Uwe Boll}}

==Foreign-language Wikipedias==
Though the English Wikipedia seems to be stubborn in its intent to avoid talking about Chris at all, international versions of the Wikipedia project have had better luck about documenting Chris.

=== Spanish ===
On 26 January 2017, an article about Chris was added to the Spanish Wikipedia. It is quoted below:

{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 de febrero de 1982) es un vlogger de YouTube y creador del webcómic Sonichu. En 2007 Christian se convirtió en objetivo de troleo por parte de Encyclopædia Dramatica y 4chan debido a pobre calidad de su trabajo, su comportamiento inusual y sus reacciones extremas a la hostilidad. Christian fue arrestado en el 2014 después intentar remover la carátula del juego Sonic Boom en GameStop y atacar a un empleado antes de salir forzosamente.}}
Translation:
{{quotebox|Christian Weston Chandler (Charlottesville, Virginia, 24 February, 1982) is a YouTube vlogger and creator of the webcomic Sonichu. In 2007 Christian became a target of trolling by Encyclopedia Dramatica and 4chan due to the poor quality of his work, his unusual behavior, and his extreme reactions to hostility. Christian was arrested in 2014 after trying to remove the cases from the game Sonic Boom at GameStop and attacking an employee before leaving forcibly.}}

It used the Know Your Meme page about Chris, as well as a site reporting on his [[26 December 2014]] arrest, as sources. The page was deleted on 3 December 2017, however an archive copy is linked [http://archive.is/V1fGP here].<ref>https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Consultas_de_borrado/Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Polish ===
On 15 [[August 2020]], a user of CWCki, Methalowiec, successfully created a page for [https://web.archive.org/web/20200816093248/https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Weston_Chandler Chris] on the Polish Wikipedia, which is a different website entirely from its English counterpart. Despite the English Wikipedia having banned the page from being created, the Polish page was accepted by an administrator. Notably, the page refers to Chris by male pronouns; this was probably accepted due to Poland's right leaning political environment.

The page was removed<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Specjalna:Rejestr&logid=46964832</ref> on 21st of [[January 2021]]. The reasons provided include the fact that the article failed to describe what exactly Chris is noteworthy for.<ref>https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Poczekalnia/biografie/2021:01:13:Christian_Weston_Chandler</ref>

=== Russian ===
On 19 [[October 2020]], a user of CWCki, AutoDiller (Soglasun on Wikipedia), created a page for {{w|Чендлер, Кристиан Уэстон|Chris|lang=ru}} on Russian Wikipedia that was mainly translated from the Polish version:<ref>[https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A7%D0%B5%D0%BD%D0%B4%D0%BB%D0%B5%D1%80,_%D0%9A%D1%80%D0%B8%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD_%D0%A3%D1%8D%D1%81%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD Чендлер, Кристин Уэстон], Wikipedia</ref>

{{quoteboxblue|Кристин Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christine Weston Chandler, в прошлом — Кристиан Уэстон Чендлер (англ. Christian Weston Chandler), род. 24 февраля 1982; также известен как Крис-Чан (англ. Chris-chan)) — видеоблогер и создатель веб-комикса «Соничу». Считается некоторыми одной из самых задокументированных личностей в истории.

Биография

Родился 24 февраля 1982 года в Шарлотсвилле (штат Вирджиния, США), в семье Роберта (скончался в 2011 году) и Барбары Чендлеров. В возрасте около пяти лет ему поставили диагноз «аутизм». В 1992 году его первоначальное имя, Кристофер, было изменено на Кристиан.

Большую часть жизни Крис провёл в городе Ракерсвилл, где и проживает, и в Шарлотсвилле. За пределами Виргинии, где эти города расположены, Крис, по состоянию на 2015 год, был лишь два раза: во-первых, когда навещал своего двоюродного брата Кола в Калифорнии, а во-вторых, когда отправился в Кливленд (штат Огайо) в поисках своей очередной девушки, с которой переписывался (на деле оказавшейся очередным троллем). После безуспешной поездки в Огайо родители запретили Крису выезжать за пределы родного штата.

Первый выпуск своего веб-комикса «Соничу» был опубликован 24 марта 2005 года. Одноимённый персонаж является гибридом ежа Соника и Пикачу.

Он стал известен в Интернете в конце 2007 года, после того как привлёк внимание пользователей сайтов 4chan и Encyclopedia Dramatica. Первоначальное очарование было вызвано его фирменным самодельным медальоном Соничу (впоследстыии украденным и сожжённым), его детскими рисунками, изображающими его неоригинального перекрашенного Соника, и бродяжничеством в общественных местах[источник не указан 186 дней]. Из-за этого Кристиан стал жертвой онлайн-преследований и троллинга.

В 2011 году британский мультипликатор Гарри Партридж заметил:

В этом же году он начал идентифицировать себя как транс-лесбиянка по имени Кристин Уэстон Чендлер. Она была арестована в 2014 году после попытки кражи коробки с игрой Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric прямо в местном магазине сети GameStop и нападения на сотрудника магазина перед тем, как покинуть его[9].

30 июля 2021 года были опубликованы аудиозаписи, на которых Кристин утверждала, что изнасиловала свою слабоумную, страдающую деменцией мать. Эти двое были разделены местным отделением полиции в один и тот же день[10]. 1 августа по обвинению в инцесте она была арестована[11][12].

Документальные фильмы }}

Translation:

{{quoteboxblue|Christian Weston Chandler is a video blogger and the creator of the web comic "Sonichu". He is considered by some to be one of the most documented personalities in history.
Biography

He was born on 24 February 1982 in Charlottesville (Virginia, USA), in the family of Robert (deceased in 2011) and Barbara Chandler. At the age of about five, he was diagnosed with autism. In 1992, his original name, Christopher, was changed to Christian.

Chris spent most of his life in the city of Ruckersville, where he lives, and in Charlottesville. Outside of Virginia, where these cities are located, Chris, as of 2015, was only twice: firstly, when he visited his cousin Kol in California, and secondly, when he went to Cleveland, Ohio, in search of his next girlfriend, with whom he corresponded (in fact, turned out to be another troll). After an unsuccessful trip to Ohio, Chris' parents forbade him to travel outside his native state.

The first issue of his webcomic Sonichu was published on March 24, 2005. The eponymous character is a hybrid of Sonic the Hedgehog and Pikachu.

He became famous on the Internet in late 2007, after attracting the attention of users of the sites 4chan and Encyclopedia Dramatica. The initial fascination stemmed from his signature homemade Sonichu medallion (later stolen and burned), his childhood drawings of his non-original repainted Sonic, and loitering in public places [source unspecified 186 days]. Because of this, Christian became a victim of online harassment and trolling.

In 2011, British cartoonist Harry Partridge remarked:
“ That same year, Chris began to identify as a trans lesbian named Christine Weston Chandler. He was arrested in 2014 after attempting to steal a box of Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric from a local GameStop store and assaulting a store employee before leaving “.

On July 30, 2021, audio recordings were released in which Christian claimed to have raped his feeble-minded, demented mother. The two were separated by the local police station on the same day[10]. On August 1, she was arrested on charges of incest[11][12]. }}

=== Dutch ===
On 9 July 2022, an article on Chris was created on the Dutch Wikipedia under the title "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=nl}}". Unlike the previous attempts, this article appears to be a genuine attempt by a Wikipedia user in providing a more professional and unbiased coverage on Chris, going as far as to referring him by his preferred pronouns. Despite that, the article was deleted on the 2 October 2022, citing the sensational nature of the sources used, primarily from those covering Chris's [[incest arrest]]. An archive copy is linked [https://archive.ph/iMfa5 here].

=== Portuguese ===
On 23 February 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Portuguese Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=pt}}". Like the Dutch article, it appears to be a Wikipedian's genuine attempt to create an unbiased and professional article.

=== Catalan ===
On 15 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Catalan Wikipedia titled "{{w|Chris Chan|lang=ca}}".

=== Hebrew ===
On 25 August 2024, an article on Chris was created on the Hebrew Wikipedia titled "{{w|כריס צ'אן|lang=he}}".
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

==See also==
* [[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile]], a facsimile of the [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ChrisChanSonichu deleted Wikipedia userpage]
* [[User:Apostrophe/Chris-Chan_talk|A mirror of his talk page]]
==External links==
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/ChrisChanSonichu Chris's edits]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu&oldid=287920013 Chris's talk page] before it got locked, complete with [[pickle|gherkins]]
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Administrators%27_noticeboard/IncidentArchive534#User:ChrisChanSonichu Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard], where admins talked about Chris
* [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Slakr/Archive_12#Additional_point User talk:slakr], where an admin called us special for taking "pot shots at some poor guy suffering from apparent mental disability"
{{The Internet}}
{{Articleofthenow}}

[[Category:Websites]]

Relics of Fail

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{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his classic videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool. Later worn by Chris during his time as a [[Tomgirl]].

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

== References ==
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Cottonmather: Moved Plush Breasts to Transgender category as Chris notably wore them as fake breasts during his time as a tomgirl.

{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool. Later worn by Chris during his time as a [[Tomgirl]].

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

== References ==
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Cottonmather: Moved Unicorn Cosplay to apparel since Chris doesn't seem to see it as related to being a woman in any significant way, unlike the Muscle Bra.

{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool.
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

== References ==
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Cottonmather: Removed hormones as a relic because they aren't a specific item, and specific containers of Oestrogel and the like seem to bear no particular importance to Chris. It feels incorrect in the same way listing Fanta as a relic would feel incorrect.

{{protip|Have you "discovered" a new Relic of Fail? Make sure it's considered a relic under the [[Talk:Relics of Fail#A Taxonomy of Fail|the Taxonomy of Fail]].}}

The '''Relics of Fail''', also known as '''Christorical Artifacts''', are several items that Chris places significant emotional value on. Most of the fates of these relics are unknown following the [[2014 house fire]] and the aftermath of the [[Jail Saga]], but several relics, including the [[Sonic Totem]], the [[Megatron Pistol]] and the [[Crumple-Lope]] are confirmed to have survived the fire, with others likely to have escaped serious damage as well.

==Classics==
[[Image:Chrischan sonichu medal.jpg|thumb|[[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion, Mark 1]]]]
[[Image:TG8.jpg|thumb|[[Plush Breasts]]]]

* [[The Classic]] - Chris's famous blue, white and red rugby shirt. Formerly thought to have been destroyed during the fire of 2014, Chris later rediscovered it in a damp and grimy bag of clothes. Chris put it up for sale on eBay after "restoring" it by cleaning it and poorly patching it up. Despite these efforts, it was badly damaged beyond repair, and was later presumably thrown out by [[Barb]].
* [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|''CWC on TV'' DVD]] - A DVD composed of many home videos among other things, such as his [[Song of Christian]].
* [[Gitar of Fail|Gitar]] - Apparently convinced this counts as a real guitar, Chris is often seen with his beloved ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' controller in attempts to look cool. It invariably has the opposite effect.
* [[Pedo-Glasses]] - Have you ever noticed how most [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and rapists in composite sketches wear these kinds of glasses? Yeah, don't think too hard about that.
* [[Son-Chu]] - Chris's beaten old station wagon. Has been replaced four times over the years. Also appears in the comic as one of the [[Samurai Pizza Bots]].
* [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|''Sailor Moon'' Poster]] - Chris used this poster to stay [[straight]].
* [[Li'l Chris]] - A stuffed bear created at Create-a-Critter Workshop.
* [[Clown Doll]] - A harmless-looking clown doll, significant in that it often bears the brunt of Chris's [[Chris and anger|fury]] in his many rage videos. Its hat was bitten off by him at [[Sign Destruction Video|one point]].
* [[Fapcup]] - A plastic cup used by Chris to collect his [[semen]] for [[recycling]].
* [[Megatron pistol|Megatron Pistol]] - A toy handgun Chris uses to [[Death threats|threaten]] his most hated [[trolls|foes]].
* [[Plush Breasts]] - A pair of fake breasts often seen in his videos, possibly used as a sign of heterosexual virility and as a [[mass debating]] tool.
* [[List of toys|Other miscellaneous toys]] - Too many to count; can be seen in Chris's videos and photographs cluttering all over his room. The most notable ones have been listed in this article.
* [[Sex toys]] - Lots and lots of sex toys, including sex dolls, a vibrator, a dildo, a penis pump, a [[Un-clit|strap]] from the dildo, anal beads, cock rings and two Fleshlights.
* '''[[Autism papers|Autism Papers]]''' - Presumably papers detailing Chris's exact psychological diagnosis. While a psychiatric survey from [[2004]] has been procured, the original papers documenting Chris's diagnosis were locked away in a filing cabinet in [[Bob Chandler|Bob's]] room. The papers are currently presumed missing after Bob's death and the house fire of [[2014]].
* '''Transcripts and Report Cards''' - Chris's transcripts and report cards, to verify whether if he was indeed on [[honor roll]] and to what degree his claims about his [[Manchester High Leaks|high school grades]] are true.

==Love Quest==
[[Image:0655-CWCsSonichuLicense.JPG|thumb|[[Son-Chu]]]]

* [[Attraction Sign]] - A relic of days past when Chris had not yet been told by his mother that soliciting using a sign made him look retarded. Many versions existed, [[Mary Lee Walsh|most were destroyed]]. The most recent sighting of this to date was at [[Fridays After Five]] in [[2010]].
* [[Heart Torch of Fail|Heart Torch]] - An odd-looking creation, though more original than most of his works. Born of [[Pixelblocks]], it is used in the comics to summon his twin sister, [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|Crystal]].
* [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]] - A short tract produced by Chris and given as a birthday gift to his [[gal-pal]] [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]]. The document chronicles the lives of its two title characters and the (almost non-existent) relationship they had while depicting them (and several of their friends and family) as Sonichu characters. The tract's current fate is unknown, although it is more than likely to have been thrown away by Sarah shortly after receiving it.
* [[Medallions of Fail|Medallions]] - Hunks of Crayola-brand modeling clay fashioned into the shape of Sonichu's head, among other characters' heads. Once believed by trolls to be the source of his power, though they were swiftly corrected when Chris began showing off the Amnyfest Ring to show that his videos are true and honest. Chris eventually began production selling new medallions on [[eBay]] in [[2014]].
* Letters to sweethearts.
* [[Chris and sex#Contraceptives|Condoms]] - Never used correctly, Chris once used one that [[Mia Hamm]], the hooker he lost his virginity to, purchased.
* [[Ohio trip|Receipts from Ohio trip]] - Chris bought some food from Sonic on the way to Cleveland.

==Apparel==
* [[Amnyfest Ring]] - Since the Sonichu medallions were stolen, Chris has claimed this [[Chris and English|mysteriously]]-named high school ring is the TRUE source of his power. He has since put the ring up on eBay, claiming his true source of power is within himself.
* [[Medallions#Sonichu_Medallion|Sonichu medallion]] - A medallion Chris crafted himself from [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC AND ACRYLIC PAINT]]. The medallion used to store his power to transform into [[Chris-chan Sonichu]], before it was revealed that it was actually the above ring.
* [[Anime Wings]] - A pair of women's hairclips that Chris got at [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]]. For some reason, Chris felt the need to incorporate them into his comic.
* [[Belt Buckle of Fail|Belt Buckle]] - Not a very well-known relic, but nonetheless extremely amusing.
* [[Magic stones]] - Chris owns some quartz crystals which he can store energy in and get more energy out from.
* [[Chris_and_fashion#Custom-painted_shoes|Sonichu Shoes]] - Chris' shoes that are painted with Sonichu colours, Jacob Sockness purchased the first pair when they were worn out.

==Gadgets==
* [[PS3]] - Chris's life upgrade, and arguably one of the biggest drains on his [[monthly tugboat]]. He went through [[The MovingForward videos|two PS3s]].
* [[PSEye]] - The window through which trolls can catch glimpses of Chris and his day-to-day life.
* Apple Products - Chris likes Apple, and owns a lot of their products, including (as of 2018) two iPhones, one public and one private.
* [[PSP of Fail|PSP]] - Yet another drain on Chris's tugboat. He, in typical fashion, decorated it with images of his flagship character and his own face.
* [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|Homemade CDs]] - Chris has made a life out of burning homemade CDs with his own crappy artwork on it. The most notable ones are ''Christian's Favorite Hits!'', which saw the birth of everybody's favorite [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], and ''[[Three-Quarter Woman]]'', a CD supposedly made for his [[sweetheart]] [[Catherine]], but in reality was [[Chris and his ego|all about him]]. His other CDs wouldn't have their tracklists publicly released until Chris listed them for sale on [[Cwclight]]. One particularly interesting one is ''Songs Between Friends: A CD for Christian & [[Sarah Hammer|Sarah]]'', whose existence and date were only previously known by a [[:File:053-SongsBetweenFriendsCD.jpg|drawing]] from Chris's [[Scrapbook]]; the tracks all consist of late '90s/early '00s teen pop, and Chris's [[So Need a Cute Girl|own contribution]] to that scene.
* [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalker]] - A Pokéball-shaped pedometer originally packaged with the [[Pokémon|''Pokémon HeartGold'' and ''SoulSilver'']] games, recolored in the image of one of the seven [[Sonichu Balls]].
* [[Nintendo|Wiimote]] - Like the PSP and ''Guitar Hero'' controller, this poor Wiimote has been decked out in Sonichu colors and was used in Chris's attempts to get [[Miyamoto]] to make him a video game. Chris later sold the Wiimote and his console altogether in [[2018]].
* [[List of Chris's games|Various video games]] and their respective consoles - Thousands of dollars have been spent on them, most of it right from the pockets of either his parents, or American taxpayers. Chris one time sold some of those games and consoles to [[Snooky's Pawn Shop]], where they were later obtained by [[Clyde Cash]].
* [[PS4]] - Chris' current main gaming console and is also used to make the majority of his videos.
* [[Nintendo Switch]] - Nintendo's latest gaming console, and given to Chris by enablers.
* [[Xbox One]] - A console Chris went from [[HEXBox|severely hating]] to eventually being okay with.
* [[Fitbit]] - A gadget to help Chris get healthier.
* [[Computers#Laptop_computers|Gaming Laptop]] - A laptop that ''Half-Life 2'' has probably [[Fanmail Reading|still not been played]] on.
* [[Nintendo|DSi and 3DS]] - Nintendo handheld consoles that Chris has used for [[Flipnote Hatena]] in the past.
* [[Commodore 64]] - A very old home computer that Chris believes he is the goddess equivalent to due to the [[Idea Guys]]'s influence.

==Art==
* [[Scrapbook of Fail|Scrapbook]] - A three-ring binder containing all of Chris's comic pages and other drawings.
* The [[Crumple-Lope]] - an envelope residing in the Scrapbook of Fail that stored some of Chris's most-regretted drawings, including a "torn-up" (actually later found to be neatly cut into squares) [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Even after the 14 Branchland Court fire, it still happens to be intact.
* [[Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|Oversized Drinking Straw]] - Even the simple task of drawing a straight line to depict a drinking straw evades Chris.
* Original hand drawn copies of Sonichu - That are [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|superior to all forms of digital artwork]], since they don't have the original pencil markings. Nobody can copy Chris' hand drawn style, no matter how hard you try.
* [[Sonic Totem]] - A demonic looking papier-mâché Sonic that Chris made, and appears in few videos. It has since been [[Sonic Totem and More|sold]] for $1,500 on [[eBay]].
* [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|Hand-drawn ''Nintendo Power'' issue]] - A lengthy homemade issue of ''Nintendo Power'', crafted to show Sonic ditching Sega to join [[Nintendo]] and revealing a little bit of what Chris wants in a [[Sonichu (game)|''Sonichu'' game]].
* [[Lego|Lego figures]] - Chris had created Lego minifigures which are made to look like the people in his life and his original characters.
* [[CWC_Lego_Manchester_High_School_Oct_18_2013|Manchester High school lego building]] - Chris spent many hours creating his high school out of Lego, which is estimated to have cost him $1,000 if all of the LEGO sets were purchased at retail price.
* [[Sonichu_Amiibo|Amiibo of CWCville characters]] - Chris has modified Amiibos- figures of characters from Nintendo games- to look like his original characters.

==Misc.==
* [[Patti Chandler|Patti's corpse and doghouse]] - Chris's beloved dog who is buried in the Chandlers' backyard under her doghouse.
* [[Hair|Locks of Chris's hair]] - Probably the only Relic to have been obtained by trolls which actually comes from Chris's own body.
* Gift Basket of Fail - In a [[:File:Virginbreaker.png|private facebook note]], Chris said that he had given a gift basket to the [[Mia Hamm|woman who took his virginity]]. This relic might not actually exist, as some suspect that "gift basket" is actually a [[CWC-isms|euphemism]] for [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|payment given to a prostitute]]. Alternatively, some suspect that Chris had [[List of Chris's lies|made up]] the story of how he lost his virginity and that it didn't happen at all.
* [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Voodoo-Wise|Voodoo torture chamber]] - Chris used black magic to curse some of the people he didn't like by putting voodoo-like effigies in a chamber.
* [[Holy Labels]] - Soda labels blessed by Chris and sent to some who wrote him [[Jail letters|letters in jail]].

==Transgender==
* The [[Un-clit]] - A piercing on Chris's [[:wikipedia:Perineum|perineum]] that was made on 15 September 2014. Chris believed that this piece of metal will be useful to him should he engage in [[:wikipedia:tribadism|tribadism]] with a female.<ref>[[September 2014 Facebook Posts#Introducing the Un-clit]]</ref> It later became inflamed, prompting Chris to re-pierce it, and then later on remove it.
* Samples of Chris's [[Semen]] - a video that was uploaded on 26 February 2016 reveals that Chris has been saving samples of his semen and storing them in his home fridge.<ref>[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]</ref> In the video Chris showed two samples of semen, one that was produced recently and another one from 18 May 2015.
* [[Muscle bra|Muscle Bra]] - A bra that Chris wears to keep his [[manboobs]] in check. He believes that everyone will be turned [[Homos|gay]] if they don't wear one, too.
* [[Unicorn cosplay]] - A set of unicorn ears, a horn, and a tail that Chris got at [[BronyCon]] 2017. Chris has since worn these accessories outdoors, and even to church, where he was asked to remove it.
* [[July_2016_Facebook_posts#Christine.27s_Driver.27s_License_and_Woman.27s_Card|Hillary Clinton Woman card]] - A card Chris uses to prove that he is, in fact, a woman.

==Defense==
* [[Pocket knife]] - A knife that Chris can't handle at all.
* [[Pepper spray]] - A weapon of self defense that Chris has used [[26_December_2014|illegally]] in the past.
* [[Baseball bat]] - Chris has carried this around as a self defense weapon in the past, noting his own paranoia.

==Inventions==
[[File:Tesla.jpg|thumb|[[wikipedia:Nikola Tesla|Nikola Tesla]], another famous inventor who had a mental disorder. The similarities end at this point. However, Chris does have [[Things Chris has ripped off|one thing]] in common with Tesla's rival [[wikipedia:Thomas Edison|Thomas Edison]]...]]

{{quote|"Necessity is the mother of invention", and I have invented quite a few crafts that have served me well.|Chris's reply to "Leonardo da Vinci", CWCipedia [[Mailbag]].}}

Chris is truly a renaissance man, with many '''inventions''' to his credit. He draws [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], makes [[YouTube|videos]], is an accomplished [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|singer]], models sculptures out of [[CRAYOLA FUCKIN' MODEL MAGIC|clay]], provides voices for the [[Official Videobooks]], and much more. But being the [[David Alan Chandler|second]] son of the outstanding inventor [[Bob Chandler]], the man who designed controls for plastic water container molding machines (without which Chris would have no [[Fapcup|cup]] from which to [[Recycling|drink]] his [[Semen|navy]]), our hero just couldn't suppress his natural talent to invent. Thus, Chris added being an inventor extraordinaire to his long list of "accomPLISHments."

In [[November 2009]], Chris received an [[Mailbag 1#Chris the inventor|e-mail]] from a [[Troll|fan]] roleplaying as the late Leonardo da Vinci, one of the great artists with whom Chris has compared himself [[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|in the past]] (managing to forget the great Italian's name and misspell his surname). Leo ironically stated that he considers Chris his [[Chris and art|"artistic equal"]], and asked if the [[autistic]] [[Chris and English|genius]] has a similar knack to making inventions, for which Leonardo himself was famous. Being the egotistical and vain person he is, Chris could not allow even Leonardo da Vinci to excel him in any field. Chris was quick to assure Mr. da Vinci in his [[Mailbag]] reply that he is, indeed, an inventor as well, and proceeded to list three of the most outstanding of his inventions.

'''The Four Great Inventions of Christian Weston Chandler'''

'''I.''' The "One set of Inventions" including:
*[[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]];
*[[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]];
*City of [[CWCville]]. (Not really inventions so much as they are fictional concepts, and [[Chris and Copyright|incredibly derivative ones]], at that.) Of course, given [[Chris and reality|Chris's tenuous grasp on reality]], he may not realize this.

'''II.''' A "heavy-duty case", "built from [[Lego]]s and held together with tape", whose main purpose is "to hold [his] 20+ [[Card games#Pokémon TCG|Pok'emon]] [sic] Trading Card Game Decks with an area designed for damage counters, die and such". This is something that may have been a significant accomplishment for say, a 9-year-old, but when a 28-year-old man lists something he built with Lego as an "invention," it can only evoke facepalming. Moreover, Chris did not invent Legos; he merely put them together.

'''III.''' The [[Dating education|Dating Education Class]], which is purely theoretical, and therefore hasn't even been invented yet.

'''IV.''' The [[iDea Book Case]], whose main purpose is to store Chris's iOS products, Chris has two of them.

==Shrines==
* [[The Wall of Originals]] - A monument to the wastes of time known as Chris's original ''Pokémon'' cards.
* [[Megan Shrine]] - Chris's display of his disturbing obsession with the one [[Megan|girl]] he thought he truly had a chance at, but [[She Came for CWC|never will]].
* Jakoba shrine - Chris possibly has a shrine to Jacob Sockness' OC Jakoba, an all powerful being that is trying to stop the [[Dimensional Merge]].

== References ==
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{{Quote|Since the passage of time has destroyed Sappho and her works, her lyre and songs, I will set other lines before you as examples.|Tzetzes, On the Metres of Pindar, 20-22}}

'''Lost media''' refers to media that once existed but has been lost or destroyed or media that has never been released publicly.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_media</ref> This article aims to document the following kinds of lost media:

* Media made by or featuring Chris which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary.
* Media made by or featuring Chris which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* Media made by trolls that Chris has responded to or acknowledged which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary or which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* [[Relics of Fail]] whose current whereabouts are unknown or were destroyed (excluding those that Chris is known to have sold to fans).

Because of the broad scope of the article, it is unlikely to ever be complete. Of course, some lost media is of greater interest to Christorians than other lost media.

==Pre-internet discovery Lost Media==
===Autism papers===
{{See also|Autism papers}}

The [[Autism papers]] were a series of papers detailing the mental state of [[Chris]] and to what extent he has [[autism]]. Most of these papers appeared to have been destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]] as none of them have appeared since. Even if not destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], the hoard that is [[14 Branchland Court]] makes finding these papers next to impossible, making these papers almost certainly lost. However, one paper from [[2004]] survives as it was e-mailed to [[Kacey]] by [[Chris]] who passed it on to [[Liquid Chris]] who then distributed the paper online in [[November 2009]].

===Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :) (Master Copy)===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)}}

An extended edition of Chris's 2007 homemade DVD allegedly featuring over six hours of original content. Chris offered to share it with [[Regina e-mails|Regina]] in their emails. It was given to [[Joseph Draft]] in 2019 during planning for the cancelled ''[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]'' documentary.

===CWC's Diary===
{{See also|CWC's Diary}}

[[CWC's Diary]] refers to a series of entries published between 2004-2005 in a diary format. It is unknown if these entries came from a physical diary or from Chris's blogs on [[MySpace]] and [[Facebook]]. It must be remembered that the entries available are the ones Chris made public on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] and that the diary in its entirety has not been found. With Chris's [[MySpace]] being deleted in mid-2008 and a physical diary not emerging [[CWC's Diary]] in its entirety is lost.

===CWC's Pokésite 1===
{{See also|CWC's Pokésite 1}}

[[CWC's Pokésite 1]], originally known as CWC's Pokésite, was Chris's first website launched between 25 April and 3 July 1999. Chris appears to have abandoned the site in late July as on 22 July [[CWC's Pokésite 2]] was launched. The content of [[CWC's Pokésite 1]] is lost as the site is no longer up and the archive of the site only has three pages with the rest not working.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606031644/http://homes.acmecity.com/games/demo/190/GameShark.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606110946/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/GameShark2.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606132641/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/junglecards.html</ref> Also, the site guestbook is still available.<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20001021022214/neptune.guestworld.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=Starytime</ref> A Spanish version of the site also existed, however, the site is down and it was never archived making this lost as well.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20010801000000*/http://games.acmecity.com/demo/190/Espanol.html</ref>

===How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi" (For the Very Shy Man)===
{{See also|User:RachmaninovDESU/How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi"}}

The work is a pamphlet created by [[Chris]] on how to attract women. The date of creation is unknown however as Chris uses the pseudonym "Reldnahc Netso' Naitsirhc" a misspelling of [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]] which was created on 24 [[March 2005]] it is likely that the pamphlet was created sometime after though a terminus ante quem has not been established. While the front cover exists the rest of the pamphlet has not emerged either because it does not exist or because it is lost.

===Report cards===
{{See also|Honor roll}}

The report cards are a series of papers from Chris's education detailing his grades and academic progress. There has been no mention of these documents since the [[2014 house fire]], likely being destroyed and thereby lost. Even if not destroyed [[Chris]], claimed before the house fire in [[2009]] within [[Mailbag 19]] that he could not access the documents.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Mailbag_19#We_cannot_see_Chris.27s_report_cards</ref> Considering how cluttered [[14 Branchland Court]] is and [[Chris]] not having access to the documents, to begin with, it is unlikely that the documents can be found, making them lost if they have not been destroyed. However, Chris's grades can be seen in the assignments that have survived in the [[Manchester High Leaks]], so Chris's grades are not entirely lost.

===Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes (items)===
{{See also|Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes}}

The [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes]] was a contest held in 1993 in which the person who wrote down every "Sonic Sez" segment and sent it in would get the chance to win certain prizes, with the biggest prize being a $1,000 shopping spree at {{w|KB Toys|Kay-Bee Toys}}.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMyI6ZnLj3o</ref> Chris won this contest in 1994 and got the $1,000 shopping spree; however, only five items have been known to be purchased:

* ''Batman Returns'' ($49.99)
* ''Sonic CD'' (unknown price)
* ''Sonic Spinball'' ($49.99)
* "Star Trek" (probably ''Star Trek: The Next Generation: Echoes from the Past'') (unknown price)
* "Power Rangers Megazord" (unknown price. Estimate $29.99)

It is unknown what other items Chris bought with the remaining $857.04 (not including the prices of ''Sonic CD'' and the ''Star Trek'' game) and are thereby lost. Furthermore, as revealed in a 21 June 2021 message on [[The Place]] Discord server,<ref>[[The Place chats (June 2021)#Warhol Book Stress and Hoarding]]</ref> only ''Sonic CD'' was still in Chris's possession at that point, with the rest either having perished in the fire or sold off.

===The First PS3 Attempt===
As the title suggests, this is presumably Chris's first attempt at his [[Pixelated PS3]] video. It was included in the "Director's Cut" of [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)]] as an exclusive feature. According to the Director's Cut cover, it was filmed on 18 November [[2006]], the same date as the final take of the video. However, the regular DVD cover says that the Pixelated PS3 video was filmed on 28 November, so it may have been filmed on that date instead. Although the Director's Cut was obtained by [[Catherine]] and other material from it was leaked to the Internet, this video has never surfaced, possibly because it was just too uninteresting.

==Post-internet discovery Lost Media==
===10242009 (Gregg Mays' video)===
{{See also|10242009}}

[[10242009]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 24 [[October 2009]] in which he responds to [[Clyde Cash#Gregg_Mays|Gregg Mays]]. While this video is available, a video made by Gregg related to 10242009 was set to private. Gregg's video has not been found since and is considered to be lost.

===Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke (Mao's response)===
{{See also|Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke}}

[[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 17 [[January 2010]] in which he reads and reviews [[Asperchu]]. While this video is available, [[Mao]]'s response video released on the same day was made private. The video has not been found since then; Mao's response is currently considered to be lost.

===CatKnight Interview 5===
{{See also|CatKnight Interview 5}}

On 28 March 2016, Sir [[Arthur Spatchcock]], also known as '''CatKnight''' and '''Master Disaster''', conducted an interview with Chris on lets-plays. The footage and audio of this interview have been lost though; the transcript is intact.

===Chris Chan VS. The Internet===
{{See also|Chris Chan VS. The Internet}}

[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]] was a documentary made by Joseph Draft first announced on Kickstarter on 4 [[April 2019]]. The documentary includes interviews with Chris, [[Barbara]], and [[Megan Schroeder]] as well as candid footage of Chris going about his life. However, due to various alleged factors,<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats#Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]</ref> the documentary has not surfaced and the hard drive containing the documentary has allegedly been destroyed, making this documentary lost. However, the trailer, opening, and other two fragments are available.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGekFLTbeos</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6uEMpBxFu0</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98sXo70dAWs</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnWao2FJbQ</ref>

===Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (second accidental stream)===
{{See also|March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)}}

This video was the latter of the two accidentally started livestream recordings, which consisted of Chris singing the same song as the last time, before realising he pressed the stream button instead of recording it. While the first one has been saved, the latter was deleted far too soon for anyone to download it, making it forever lost.

===CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)===
{{See also|CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)}}

paintingatree was Chris's [[CWCki Forums]] account. However the posts preserved under this account come from the second account made in early 2013 as Chris's first account, also called paintingatree, was made sometime in 2012. However none of the posts Chris made in 2012 have been archived making them lost.

===DooDoo fard2874 pictures===
{{See also|Post-jail sightings (2023)}}

On 9 September 2023 Discord user DooDoo fard2874 chased down Chris in a Sheetz convenience store somewhere in Virginia. DooDoo fard2874 posted four images and a video of this event which shows Chris's Chevrolet Aveo driving however a picture of Chris reportedly was taken though it has not emerged and is currently lost.

===Dillin Thomas DMs===
{{See also|Dillin Thomas DMs}}

[[Dillin Thomas]] is a former [[Christuber]] who eventually closed his YouTube channel. With the closure was the loss of material such as DMs from Chris. Two DMs are known with the former, leaked on 23 [[December 2019]], only having one quote from Chris preserved with the rest of their communication being lost.

===eBay Purchases and Listings (2001-2008)===
Chris has been using eBay since all the way back in [[2001]]. While this wiki has archived most of Chris's eBay listings (and purchases) from 2008 onward, the same can't be said for his previous ones prior to that year. There have been a few records of his purchases from that era, but not a whole lot, and especially nothing of his potential listings. Chris's bans and suspensions from eBay, as well as potentially using sockpuppets, also make archiving these difficult, so it's possible these bits of info are lost.

===Helena DMs===
{{See also|Helena DMs}}

Between 15-21, [[June 2021]] Helena Fiorenza and Chris contacted each other through Twitter. However, the conversation that is available only shows the end of their communications and not the previous messages making the DM in its entirety lost.

===Jackie's Father Call===
{{See also|Jackie}}

In an email sent from [[Jackie]] to [[Chris]] at 1:36 PM on 16 [[July 2011]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Jackie_E-mails_30</ref>, [[Jackie]] revealed that the day before Jackie's father who was drunk at the time got into a call with [[Chris]]. It is unknown if the call was recorded, and even if it was, no audio nor transcript of the call has been released, making this call lost.

===Julie Reveals Herself (Video)===
{{See also|Julie Reveals Herself}}

[[Julie Reveals Herself]] is a [[Mumble]] chat between [[Bluespike]] and [[Chris]] on 3 [[March 2009]] which involves shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum and [[Julie]] revealing herself to be a boy. While the audio of the chat exists, the video that accompanied it, which includes footage of Chris shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum, is lost. It's worth noting that Chris claimed he didn't record himself doing so, so it's possible a video recording never existed to begin with (and given the rest of the trolls were disgusted at what was going on, it's possibly unlikely they didn't have a recording of it either).

===Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba (original)===
{{See also|Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba}}

Chris uploaded the video in [[January 2024]] but then removed it later in the month and uploaded another copy. Only the Raw Captions generated by YouTube were archived of the original video.

===MKRs Bloody Chunks Leaks===
{{see also|Chats leaked by MKRs Bloody Chunks}}
On 27 January 2020, a Kiwi Farms account under the name '''MKRs Bloody Chunks''' leaked a set of messages and audio files from The Place and Arbitarch CWC Alliance servers. These were only partially archived on the CWCki however. As of April 2025, the majority of these contents have been lost, as many of the links from the original post are now broken.<ref>{{cite farms|thread=52454|post=5926848}}</ref>

===My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey (Kacey's Part)===
{{See also|My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey}}

On 31 [[October 2009]] Chris made a video singing the male part of the lyrics to the song "A Whole New World", in response to [[Kacey]] uploading a video singing the female part of the same song. While Chris's video is available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gv3znHKues</ref>, Kacey's video has been taken down by YouTube and is currently lost.

===No More Jokes (Clyde's response)===
{{See also|No More Jokes}}

[[No More Jokes]] was a video by [[Chris]] released on 5 [[November 2009]] in which he reveals the real identity of [[Clyde Cash]]. While both the SFW and NSFW versions of the video exist, Clyde's response to the video is currently lost.

===PS3 Tutorial for my fans (full video)===
{{See also|PS3 Tutorial for my fans}}

On 24 [[February 2010]] the [[Magical Man]] uploaded a video in which he filmed Chris giving a tutorial on how to use a [[PS3]]. The video starts mid-sentence and ends abruptly showing that there was more footage than was released. The full video has not been found.

===Red Forest (other audio files)===
{{See also|Red Forest}}

[[Red Forest]] is one of several audio files created by [[Joshua Wise]] created in the autumn of [[2017]] used to manipulate Chris's beliefs on reality. There are other files aside from [[Red Forest]] to have existed with the only known one being revealed by Wise in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]] in which Wise used Chris's audio in an altered form to manipulate him.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Idea_Guy_Q%26A#Manipulating_Chris</ref> This audio has never been released, and it is unknown how many other audio clips existed as none aside from [[Red Forest]] have been leaked, making them lost.

===Rollin' and Trollin' (raw footage)===
{{See also|Rollin' and Trollin'}}

On 17 [[July 2009]], Chris uploaded a video filmed by the [[Magical Man]] in which he attempted to convince viewers that his entire internet history had in fact been a trolling scheme. The video was evidently filmed with a camera that had a 16:9 aspect ratio, before being stretched to a 4:3 aspect ratio and exported in 480p quality. Additionally, the camera used to record the video also seems to have used a hard drive, as evidenced by the lack of tape or disc noise. This suggests that the raw footage of [[Rollin' and Trollin']] could be the earliest known video of Chris recorded in HD, though any raw footage from the video's production has yet to surface and is likely lost.

===Simonchu===
{{See also|Simonchu}}

[[Simonchu]] was a parody comic of [[Sonichu]] staring the eponymous character Simonchu created on 26 [[August 2008]]. As the comic was hosted on [[Asperpedia]] which shut down in [[2010]] and the archive of Simonchu has its file link request invalidated the comic was lost aside from some fragments.<ref>https://sneed.today/threads/simonchu-the-lost-fancomic.10338/#post-809780</ref><ref>https://imgur.com/fWC2lw3,1B7ulIl,GIIC5w1,eu84mkL,5eeYSx1,aNUzCR8,7eoGNbq,53ilnRW,i6xiNk6,3FirXzm,lrcSkRr,oQHqVSK,CYo0pA6,3ZTtGWC</ref> All 15 pages of Simonchu Issue 0 were found over a decade later by [[Statustjej]], who uploaded it to the Internet Archive on 27 [[October 2025]] and 3 [[November 2025]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/simonchu-comic-book-issue-0</ref> However, Simonchu Issue 1(27 pages), the Simonchu Special(5 pages), and the Simonchu Issue 2 cover remain lost.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142048/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_%28Comic%29</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142053/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_Issue_2</ref>

===Sockness DMs===
{{See also|Sockness DMs}}

Jacob Sockness is known to have had two DM communications with Chris, the first being on 28 [[August 2019]] and the second on 17 [[July 2020]]. Both DMs only show part of the communication making the entirety of their communications lost.

===Sonichu Fan Promo (videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Fan Promo}}

The [[Sonichu Fan Promo]] were three 3D animated shorts on [[Sonichu]] made by [[Timmys1984]], released between 11-14 [[October 2008]]. While the transcripts of all three videos exist, only the third video remains.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNoO0ZRDBE</ref> However, [[Chris]] incorporated these animations into [[Sonichu]] Issue 9, pages 72, 78, and 79 with 72 being the first short, 78 is the second short, and 79 is the third short.

===Sonichu's Live PS4 Broadcast===
{{See also|Twitch}}

On 16 [[March 2018]] Chris streamed the game '''Burnout Paradise Remastered''' on the [[PS4]]. While certain parts of the stream are available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXt6H5t1MoY</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwx7Y0A6_o</ref>, the stream footage in its entirety has been lost.

===The "Black Tape"===
{{Main|The Black Tape}}
"[[The Black Tape]]" is a recording of a Skype call between Chris, [[Jackie]] and several other trolls recorded at some time between the 7th and 8th of [[September 2011]], shortly after the death of [[Bob Chandler]]. Chris was distraught and grief-stricken during the call, with the contents of the call considered so upsetting that it has never been released to the public.

===The Chris Chan Interview (unedited version)===
{{See also|Keffals}}

The Chris Chan Interview was an interview conducted by [[Keffals]] with [[Chris]], uploaded to [[Youtube]] on 16 [[January 2024]]. However the uploaded interview was an edited version, with the unedited version only being accessible if someone pledged to the $100,000 tier on Keffals's [[Patreon]].<ref>https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1747443430282702958</ref> Currently no one has pledged to this tier and considering the price point it is unlikely that anyone ever will, making this work currently lost.

===ThePCAssassins Phone Calls===
{{See also|ThePCAssassins }}

ThePCAssassins is a YouTube account which previously had hosted many videos of trolls calling and speaking to Bob. To date only four of these calls are still publicly available, making the rest lost. One of them is numbered "Bob Call 6," indicating there are, at minimum, between two and five additional recordings currently unaccounted for, depending on how the other videos were originally numbered.

===Tlaw DMs===
{{See also|Tlaw DMs}}

Tlaw, at an unknown date, had a communication with Chris over setting a tabletop role-playing game in CWCville. However, the middle part of the communication is missing, making it lost.

===Unrecorded Voicemail Greetings===
{{See also|Voicemail greeting}}
Chris has changed his cell phone voicemail greeting message many times over the years. Many of these greetings have a transcription but no available recording, either because they were never recorded or because the recording has become lost.

===Unreleased Jackie E-mails===
{{See also|Category:Jackie E-mails}}

Between 5 [[April 2010]] to 7 [[September 2011]], [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] interacted with each other over emails which have been compiled into 31 sets. However, the emails present are the ones [[Alec Benson Leary]] compiled and it is confirmed that [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] had email conversations that [[Alec Benson Leary]] omitted due to them being irrelevant.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/are-you-losing-interest-in-chris.3255/page-5#post-190559</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/ZznwI</ref> Considering how long ago these events happened, it is likely that these unreleased emails will never surface, making them lost.

===Unreleased Miscreant Interactions===
{{See also|Miscreants}}

The [[Miscreants]] were a group of [[trolls]] consisting of many of the most notable, including [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Liquid Chris]]. While many of their interactions with [[Chris]] are known, [[Marvin]] has confirmed that a significant amount of chats and calls the [[Miscreants]] and [[Chris]] had have not been released.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-5-chris-and-chrissy.10627/page-6#post-822127</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/Om30l</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/official-decision-regarding-gender-and-chris-gender-discussion-megathread.6283/page-31#post-5067791</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/5HTxq</ref> Considering how long ago these interactions happened and the fact it is unknown if anyone has these unreleased chats and calls, these interactions are likely lost.

===Web Soup Appearance===
{{See also|For G4s Web Soup}}

''Web Soup'' was a television series on the defunct network G4, which served as a spin-off of the E! network's long-running series ''The Soup'' and, like that series, focused on satirical commentary on then-recent pop culture events, specifically Internet media and viral videos. One episode, aired in [[July 2009]], featured an appearance of Chris's [[I Got a Fish]] video, the [[Toucher and Rich Segment|second time]] it popped up in the mainstream media. However, even though Chris himself acknowledged this appearance, the episode with that segment has been lost to time. While several other episodes of ''Web Soup'' have been recovered and archived over the years, the one with Chris's appearance has yet to resurface, not helped by the series being off the air since 2014 and never having been given an official home media release.

==Lost Relics==
===Asperchu Medallion===
{{See also|Asperchu}}

The '''Asperchu Medallion''' was a variant of the [[Sonichu]] medallion featuring [[Asperchu]] instead of [[Sonichu]] sent to [[Chris]] by [[Alec Benson Leary]]. It is unknown when [[Alec Benson Leary]] sent the medallion to [[Chris]] however the medallion was first seen in Chris's [[Magical Man Potion]] video uploaded on 24 [[February 2010]]. [[Chris]] revealed in a [[Facebook]] post made on 2 [[August 2014]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/August_2014_Facebook_Posts#Fan_items_lost_in_the_fire</ref> that the '''Asperchu Medallion''' was destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], making it lost.

===Attraction Sign===
{{See also|Attraction Sign}}

The [[Attraction Sign]]s were a series of signs detailing his desire for a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] used from [[2004]] to [[2014]]. All the signs made before the [[2014 house fire]] have not appeared since likely being destroyed in the event, thereby making them lost. One sign has been made since the [[2014 house fire]] on [[July 2014]] on Chris's [[OkCupid]] account<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Okcupid_8_jul_2014_4.jpg</ref>, however, it has also not appeared since likely making it lost.

===Goddess Log Vol. 5===
According to TheGamerFromMars's documentary ''The Resurrection of Chris Chan'', though the first four volumes of the Goddess Logs were sent over to 14 Branchland Ct, the fifth volume, which details Chris's stay at [[Western State Hospital]], was severely deteriorated from water damage before anyone could get a copy.<ref>[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]</ref>

===Heart Torch of Fail===
{{See also|Heart Torch of Fail}}

The [[Heart Torch of Fail]] was a torch made of [[Pixelblocks]] that has an unknown significance to the [[Love Quest]]. The torch was made sometime before or during [[2005]] as it appears in [[Sonichu 4]], which was produced in the year [[2005]]. Since its appearance in [[2005]], it has never been seen since likely, being destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], thereby making it lost.

===Medallions===
{{See also|Medallions}}

The [[Medallions]] refers to the [[Sonichu]] [[Medallions]] made by [[Chris]] over the course of his life. The prototype medallion which [[Chris]] wore in [[2004]] as it is mentioned in the [[Autism papers]] disappeared after this year and is believed to be lost in the literal sense.

===Red String of Fate===
{{See also|Red String of Fate}}

The [[Red String of Fate]] was a string with a paper heart attached on the end designed to attract a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] created on 1 [[August 2004]]. In [[anime]] like [[Excel Saga]], of which Chris likely got the idea from as he watched [[Excel Saga]] before creating the [[Red String of Fate]],<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20160827014324/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcville//SchusNews3.htm</ref> the [[red string]] is used as a metaphor to in courting love. However, [[Chris]] did not see the metaphor and would throw the [[red string]] at women in the hopes of "reeling" them in. On 5 [[August 2004]] a [[Jerkop|mall security guard]] confiscated it and it has never resurfaced, likely being destroyed and thereby lost.

===The Wall of Originals===
{{See also|The Wall of Originals}}

[[The Wall of Originals]] was a wall covered in Chris's customized [[Pokémon]] cards. Most of the cards from the wall were destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], although some survived as revealed in a [[July 2017]] tweet and [[Chris]] listing the surviving cards on [[eBay]] in [[June 2018]].<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/July_2017_tweets#Holographic_cards</ref>

==Lost and Found Media==

{{Quote|I will try, if chance favours my wishes, to seek for you the Germanic Wars of Pliny the Elder.|Symmachus, Letters, 4.18.5}}

===2021 Lost Commissions===
{{See also|2021 Lost Commissions}}

The [[2021 Lost Commissions]] were a series of commissioned art created in the summer of 2021 for the [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW]] fundraiser. Due to Chris's arrest for incest these works were never delivered and remained lost at [[14 Branchland Court]] until Chris reacquired them after his release. These works would then be listed on [[OfficialCWCmart]] on 15 [[October 2023]].

===An Interview with the Chris-Chan===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler Interview}}

An Interview with the Chris-Chan was Chris's first interview after trolling began occurring on or before 17 [[October 2008]]<ref>Date determined from [https://web.archive.org/web/20081021045439/http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Chris-chan/Archive10#An_interview ED Chris-chan talk page, Archive10]</ref> being hosted on [[PSN]] and being uploaded to Youtube. It is notable for being the first video appearance of [[Barb]]. Sometime after the video was removed from Youtube for "violating YouTube's policy on hate speech" until it was rediscovered and re-uploaded on 27 [[January 2017]].

===BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7 (full recording)===
{{See also|BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7}}

A recorded PSN chat between Chris, [[Bob]], and "[[Julie]]" lasting approximately twenty minutes. The first nine minutes and eighteen seconds of the chat were preserved, but the recording abruptly ends while Bob is discussing his music collection. The lost portion of the call includes Bob talking about his health problems and [[Cherokee]] heritage, followed by goodbyes and the trolls talking among themselves. A full copy of the call was located on [[statustjej]]'s hard drive, who promptly uploaded it to the Internet Archive.

===Chris-chan Discusses...===
{{See also|Chris-chan Discusses...}}

[[Chris-chan Discusses...]] is a series of interviews conducted by Larry Bundy and [[Chris]] conducted over [[June 2009]] and uploaded to Youtube over [[July 2009]]. However the releases over [[July 2009]] were only extracts from the full interviews of which were not released until 30 [[August 2012]].

===[[Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg]]===
[[File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|thumb|200px|right|The screencap.]]
On 30 [[March 2011]], [[CWCki]] editor [[User:Riley Martin|Riley Martin]] uploaded [[:File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|a mysterious picture]] to the site. Not much was known about the image besides the little information the editor gave:
{{quoteboxred|From some mysterious video. Chris’ face never changes from that smile, and he never stops staring. Don’t ask where it’s from.}}

Later the same day, a CWCki editor would ask for the source of the screencap on its talk page, but didn't receive any reply. Riley Martin has not edited the CWCki since 26 [[February 2012]], making the original video and its context lost for over a decade.

YouTube user [[Statustjej]] finally uploaded the clip on 10 [[October 2025]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O-Slh34q7Y</ref>

===Chris Sex Logs (Audio)===
{{See also|Chris Sex Logs}}

On 27 [[September 2008]] [[PandaHalo]] released a series of Skype chats in which Chris discussed with her a variety of subjects related to [[sex]]. While the transcript of the chats is available, the audio accompanying the chats was lost for over 10 years except for a 5:30-minute snippet.<ref>https://archive.org/details/cwcsexlogs1</ref> The audio was later uploaded to the Internet Archive by [[Statustjej]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/lost-chrischan-pandahalo-audio-logs</ref>

===CopperCab Interview===
{{See also|CopperCab}}

The CopperCab Interview is an interview between Claire Kittrell, known on Youtube as CopperCab, and [[Chris]] uploaded on 23 [[October 2017]]. However the interview uploaded was not the full interview as indicated by the "Part 2 Tomorrow!" at the end of the video. However Part 2 was not uploaded on 24 [[October 2017]] leading to the assumption that Part 2 would never be released making it lost. However Part 2 was released on 5 [[August 2021]].

===CWC is Angry===
{{See also|CWC is Angry}}

[[CWC is Angry]] is a video released in [[August 2007]] in which Chris shoots at a picture of [[Adam Stackhouse]] with the [[Megatron pistol]] and is notable for being Chris's last video before he got trolled. Sometime after, the video was lost as [[Adam Stackhouse]] in a comment made on or before 8 April 2009 mentions the video being lost,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130408113141/http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=lA84b9eCyZA From YouTube comments, user 1693productions]</ref> later in [[April 2009]] the video was found.

===Fiona Facetime Video - Hair Twirling===
{{see also|Fiona Facetime Videos}}

Three videos of [[Fiona]] and Chris interacting over Facetime were censored on the CWCki. This was due to the Suitress Policy, which at one point called for censoring Fiona's appearances. The policy was relaxed on March 2022, now allowing for her face to be shown in videos and first name to be used in transcripts. This led to two of the three videos becoming uncensored, but one of the videos, Hair Twirling, remained censored because the uncensored video was lost for some time. The source for the original video was later found.

===Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)===
{{See also|Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)}}

[[Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)]] refers to the original interview conducted between members do the Internet Dream Lounge and [[Chris]] that took place on 4 [[September 2017]]. However upon negative feedback this interview was not uploaded, making it lost, while a second interview was held which was uploaded on 8 [[October 2017]]. However in [[August 2020]] the file of the unused first interview was leaked making it found.

===IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court===
{{See also|IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court}}

The [[IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court]] as the title suggests was a tour of Chris's home that occurred on 31 [[August 2014]] with [[Chris]] giving the tour to [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]]. The audio and slideshow of the tour were posted to [[Cousin Al]]'s YouTube channel on 8 [[September 2014]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/irl-tour-of-14-bc-audio.8231/ ([https://archive.ph/JqIx8 archive])</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150311043032/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4w28lQAON0</ref> Al's YouTube channel was subsequently terminated leading to the video of the audio and slideshow becoming lost. However, as of 6 [[August 2022]], a copy of the video was found.

===Jackson Dalton Interview===
{{See also|Jackson Dalton}}

The [[Jackson Dalton]] Interview was an interview between Jackson Dalton and [[Chris]] that occurred on 4 [[January 2019]] and uploaded to Youtube on 8 [[January 2019]] however the interview posted was edited and was not the full interview. Shortly after the upload the interview was taken down by Dalton due to poor reception, but was archived, while the unedited version was not released leading to the assumption it would never be released and thereby making it lost. However on 13 [[February 2020]] Dalton uploaded the full unedited interview.

===Manchester High Leaks===
{{See also|Manchester High Leaks}}

The [[Manchester High Leaks]] is a series of high school assignments from Chris's junior year between [[1998]] and [[1999]].<ref>https://archive.ph/4xcbm</ref> It was thought that these documents were permanently lost in the [[2014 house fire]] as before the fire these documents had not surfaced leading to them being considered lost even before the fire. However, [[Cousin Al]] on [[June 2014]] after digging through Chris's trash, found these documents though they were damaged from the [[2014 house fire]].

===Power (Document)===
{{See also|Power}}

[[Power]] was a zip file containing three videos of [[Chris]] performing acts of strength to impress [[Vanessa Hudgens]] which was leaked by [[The Miscreants]] on 27 [[April 2009]]. Along with the three videos contained an edited audio file of "[[I Got a Fish]]" and a "special thanks" document. While the videos and audio files were available, the "special thanks" document was lost for a over a decade until its contents were confirmed by [[Statustjej]] in the comments of their [[Chris Chan creepy smile|creepy smile]] reupload, and uploaded the original zipfile to the Internet Archive on 12 [[November 2025]].

===Rental House Tour===
{{See also|Rental House Tour}}

The [[Rental House Tour]] was a tour of Chris' temporary house in the aftermath of the [[2014 house fire]] recorded by [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]] on 31 [[August 2014]]. Sometime before or on 6 [[March 2019]] the video had been lost.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lost-cwcki-links.54097/</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/uuKkf</ref> However, on 14 and 19 [[April 2019]] the 1st and 2nd halves of the recording were found.

===Scrapbook of Fail===
{{See also|Scrapbook of Fail}}

The [[Scrapbook of Fail]] are two binders containing every comic [[Chris]] has ever drawn including [[Sonichu]]. After the [[2014 house fire]] the scrapbook stopped being mentioned leading to the belief that it had been lost as reported by [[Sachumo]]<ref>https://youtu.be/bXjnakAlF-s?t=3420</ref> however, in [[November 2015]] [[Chris]] revealed the scrapbook had been found and survived the fire.

===ShecameforCWC.JPG===
{{See also|ShecameforCWC.JPG}}

[[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] is a pornographic drawing consisting of [[Chris]] vaginally stimulating [[Megan Schroeder]] uploaded to [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] on 11 [[November 2007]]. On 4 [[November 2013]], and again in [[January 2018]], Chris claimed that he had destroyed the original drawing, leading to the assumption that it was lost media<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/November_2013_Facebook_Posts#That_Dang_Drawing</ref><ref>[[Brianfrogboy chats#shecameforcwc]]</ref>. However, on 23 [[April 2018]], Chris listed [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] for sale on his [[eBay]], which was bought by the [[Teen Troon Squad]]. It turned out that Chris had not truly destroyed the drawing but cut it up into squares - making it easy to reassemble - before placing it in the [[Crumple-Lope]]. It is unknown what the Teen Troon Squad have done with the drawing but it can be presumed they still own it, though they have not shown it off.

===The Classic===
{{See also|The Classic}}

[[The Classic]] refers to Chris's red and blue rugby shirt that he wore in many of his videos. It was thought that this shirt was destroyed and thereby lost in the [[2014 house fire]]. However, in [[April 2017]] [[Chris]] found [[The Classic]]. However, on 10 [[August 2018]] [[Barb]] threw away [[The Classic]] as revealed in a text to the [[Teen Troon Squad]] from [[Chris]], thereby making [[The Classic]] lost again.<ref>https://8ch.net/cow/res/651071.html#q687492</ref>

===The Sonichu Chronicles (Slides)===
{{See also|The Sonichu Chronicles}}

[[The Sonichu Chronicles]] was a PowerPoint presentation made by [[Chris]] in [[January 2009]] and was presented to [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Reggie Fils-Aimé]] as to give ideas on a [[Sonichu]] game. The contents of the slides are known as Chris in [[November 2009]] displayed them in the two part video [[Sonichu Powerpoint]]. However, the PowerPoint file was missing, making the slides lost for over a decade until [[Statustjej]] uploaded them to the Internet Archive on 21 October 2025.<ref>https://archive.org/details/the-sonichu-chronicles</ref>

===Sonichu Home Club (Videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Home Club}}

The [[Sonichu Home Club]] was an online event hosted on Chris's [[PS3]] through an online network. The purpose of these events was to gather [[TRUE and HONEST]] fans of [[Sonichu]], however, it appears these events were done by [[Chris]] in the hope of receiving praise. Two of these events occurred and had videos made about them by [[Vivian Gee]], but they were deleted. However, they were soon reuploaded in 2017 by CWCville Archives.

==Unknown Lost Media==
While this article has listed lost media associated with [[Chris]], this is the only lost media known to have existed and is now lost. It is almost certain that there are hundreds if not thousands of pieces of lost media around [[Chris]] that were never known or never released publicly or were never archived and have been lost. One can only speculate what has not been released or what has been lost over the course of Chris's life. Moreover, one can only speculate on what is waiting to be found.

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{{Quote|Since the passage of time has destroyed Sappho and her works, her lyre and songs, I will set other lines before you as examples.|Tzetzes, On the Metres of Pindar, 20-22}}

'''Lost media''' refers to media that once existed but has been lost or destroyed or media that has never been released publicly.<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_media</ref> This article aims to document the following kinds of lost media:

* Media made by or featuring Chris which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary.
* Media made by or featuring Chris which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* Media made by trolls that Chris has responded to or acknowledged which was once publicly available on the internet but has since disappeared or is fragmentary or which is known to exist but which has never been released to the public.
* [[Relics of Fail]] whose current whereabouts are unknown or were destroyed (excluding those that Chris is known to have sold to fans).

Because of the broad scope of the article, it is unlikely to ever be complete. Of course, some lost media is of greater interest to Christorians than other lost media.

==Pre-internet discovery Lost Media==
===Autism papers===
{{See also|Autism papers}}

The [[Autism papers]] were a series of papers detailing the mental state of [[Chris]] and to what extent he has [[autism]]. Most of these papers appeared to have been destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]] as none of them have appeared since. Even if not destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], the hoard that is [[14 Branchland Court]] makes finding these papers next to impossible, making these papers almost certainly lost. However, one paper from [[2004]] survives as it was e-mailed to [[Kacey]] by [[Chris]] who passed it on to [[Liquid Chris]] who then distributed the paper online in [[November 2009]].

===Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :) (Master Copy)===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)}}

An extended edition of Chris's 2007 homemade DVD allegedly featuring over six hours of original content. Chris offered to share it with [[Regina e-mails|Regina]] in their emails. It was given to [[Joseph Draft]] in 2019 during planning for the cancelled ''[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]'' documentary.

===CWC's Diary===
{{See also|CWC's Diary}}

[[CWC's Diary]] refers to a series of entries published between 2004-2005 in a diary format. It is unknown if these entries came from a physical diary or from Chris's blogs on [[MySpace]] and [[Facebook]]. It must be remembered that the entries available are the ones Chris made public on [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] and that the diary in its entirety has not been found. With Chris's [[MySpace]] being deleted in mid-2008 and a physical diary not emerging [[CWC's Diary]] in its entirety is lost.

===CWC's Pokésite 1===
{{See also|CWC's Pokésite 1}}

[[CWC's Pokésite 1]], originally known as CWC's Pokésite, was Chris's first website launched between 25 April and 3 July 1999. Chris appears to have abandoned the site in late July as on 22 July [[CWC's Pokésite 2]] was launched. The content of [[CWC's Pokésite 1]] is lost as the site is no longer up and the archive of the site only has three pages with the rest not working.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606031644/http://homes.acmecity.com/games/demo/190/GameShark.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606110946/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/GameShark2.html</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20000606132641/http://homes.acmecity.com:80/games/demo/190/junglecards.html</ref> Also, the site guestbook is still available.<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20001021022214/neptune.guestworld.lycos.com/wgb/wgbview.dbm?owner=Starytime</ref> A Spanish version of the site also existed, however, the site is down and it was never archived making this lost as well.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20010801000000*/http://games.acmecity.com/demo/190/Espanol.html</ref>

===How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi" (For the Very Shy Man)===
{{See also|User:RachmaninovDESU/How to Attract an 18 - ... -Year Old Female Companion Without Saying "Hi"}}

The work is a pamphlet created by [[Chris]] on how to attract women. The date of creation is unknown however as Chris uses the pseudonym "Reldnahc Netso' Naitsirhc" a misspelling of [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]] which was created on 24 [[March 2005]] it is likely that the pamphlet was created sometime after though a terminus ante quem has not been established. While the front cover exists the rest of the pamphlet has not emerged either because it does not exist or because it is lost.

===Report cards===
{{See also|Honor roll}}

The report cards are a series of papers from Chris's education detailing his grades and academic progress. There has been no mention of these documents since the [[2014 house fire]], likely being destroyed and thereby lost. Even if not destroyed [[Chris]], claimed before the house fire in [[2009]] within [[Mailbag 19]] that he could not access the documents.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Mailbag_19#We_cannot_see_Chris.27s_report_cards</ref> Considering how cluttered [[14 Branchland Court]] is and [[Chris]] not having access to the documents, to begin with, it is unlikely that the documents can be found, making them lost if they have not been destroyed. However, Chris's grades can be seen in the assignments that have survived in the [[Manchester High Leaks]], so Chris's grades are not entirely lost.

===Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes (items)===
{{See also|Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes}}

The [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes]] was a contest held in 1993 in which the person who wrote down every "Sonic Sez" segment and sent it in would get the chance to win certain prizes, with the biggest prize being a $1,000 shopping spree at {{w|KB Toys|Kay-Bee Toys}}.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMyI6ZnLj3o</ref> Chris won this contest in 1994 and got the $1,000 shopping spree; however, only five items have been known to be purchased:

* ''Batman Returns'' ($49.99)
* ''Sonic CD'' (unknown price)
* ''Sonic Spinball'' ($49.99)
* "Star Trek" (probably ''Star Trek: The Next Generation: Echoes from the Past'') (unknown price)
* "Power Rangers Megazord" (unknown price. Estimate $29.99)

It is unknown what other items Chris bought with the remaining $857.04 (not including the prices of ''Sonic CD'' and the ''Star Trek'' game) and are thereby lost. Furthermore, as revealed in a 21 June 2021 message on [[The Place]] Discord server,<ref>[[The Place chats (June 2021)#Warhol Book Stress and Hoarding]]</ref> only ''Sonic CD'' was still in Chris's possession at that point, with the rest either having perished in the fire or sold off.

===The First PS3 Attempt===
As the title suggests, this is presumably Chris's first attempt at his [[Pixelated PS3]] video. It was included in the "Director's Cut" of [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)]] as an exclusive feature. According to the Director's Cut cover, it was filmed on 18 November [[2006]], the same date as the final take of the video. However, the regular DVD cover says that the Pixelated PS3 video was filmed on 28 November, so it may have been filmed on that date instead. Although the Director's Cut was obtained by [[Catherine]] and other material from it was leaked to the Internet, this video has never surfaced, possibly because it was just too uninteresting.

==Post-internet discovery Lost Media==
===10242009 (Gregg Mays' video)===
{{See also|10242009}}

[[10242009]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 24 [[October 2009]] in which he responds to [[Clyde Cash#Gregg_Mays|Gregg Mays]]. While this video is available, a video made by Gregg related to 10242009 was set to private. Gregg's video has not been found since and is considered to be lost.

===Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke (Mao's response)===
{{See also|Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke}}

[[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke]] was a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 17 [[January 2010]] in which he reads and reviews [[Asperchu]]. While this video is available, [[Mao]]'s response video released on the same day was made private. The video has not been found since then; Mao's response is currently considered to be lost.

===CatKnight Interview 5===
{{See also|CatKnight Interview 5}}

On 28 March 2016, Sir [[Arthur Spatchcock]], also known as '''CatKnight''' and '''Master Disaster''', conducted an interview with Chris on lets-plays. The footage and audio of this interview have been lost though; the transcript is intact.

===Chris Chan VS. The Internet===
{{See also|Chris Chan VS. The Internet}}

[[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]] was a documentary made by Joseph Draft first announced on Kickstarter on 4 [[April 2019]]. The documentary includes interviews with Chris, [[Barbara]], and [[Megan Schroeder]] as well as candid footage of Chris going about his life. However, due to various alleged factors,<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats#Chris Chan VS. The Internet]]</ref> the documentary has not surfaced and the hard drive containing the documentary has allegedly been destroyed, making this documentary lost. However, the trailer, opening, and other two fragments are available.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGekFLTbeos</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G6uEMpBxFu0</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98sXo70dAWs</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znnWao2FJbQ</ref>

===Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (second accidental stream)===
{{See also|March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)}}

This video was the latter of the two accidentally started livestream recordings, which consisted of Chris singing the same song as the last time, before realising he pressed the stream button instead of recording it. While the first one has been saved, the latter was deleted far too soon for anyone to download it, making it forever lost.

===CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)===
{{See also|CWCki Forums posts (paintingatree)}}

paintingatree was Chris's [[CWCki Forums]] account. However the posts preserved under this account come from the second account made in early 2013 as Chris's first account, also called paintingatree, was made sometime in 2012. However none of the posts Chris made in 2012 have been archived making them lost.

===DooDoo fard2874 pictures===
{{See also|Post-jail sightings (2023)}}

On 9 September 2023 Discord user DooDoo fard2874 chased down Chris in a Sheetz convenience store somewhere in Virginia. DooDoo fard2874 posted four images and a video of this event which shows Chris's Chevrolet Aveo driving however a picture of Chris reportedly was taken though it has not emerged and is currently lost.

===Dillin Thomas DMs===
{{See also|Dillin Thomas DMs}}

[[Dillin Thomas]] is a former [[Christuber]] who eventually closed his YouTube channel. With the closure was the loss of material such as DMs from Chris. Two DMs are known with the former, leaked on 23 [[December 2019]], only having one quote from Chris preserved with the rest of their communication being lost.

===eBay Purchases and Listings (2001-2008)===
Chris has been using eBay since all the way back in [[2001]]. While this wiki has archived most of Chris's eBay listings (and purchases) from 2008 onward, the same can't be said for his previous ones prior to that year. There have been a few records of his purchases from that era, but not a whole lot, and especially nothing of his potential listings. Chris's bans and suspensions from eBay, as well as potentially using sockpuppets, also make archiving these difficult, so it's possible these bits of info are lost.

===Helena DMs===
{{See also|Helena DMs}}

Between 15-21, [[June 2021]] Helena Fiorenza and Chris contacted each other through Twitter. However, the conversation that is available only shows the end of their communications and not the previous messages making the DM in its entirety lost.

===Jackie's Father Call===
{{See also|Jackie}}

In an email sent from [[Jackie]] to [[Chris]] at 1:36 PM on 16 [[July 2011]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Jackie_E-mails_30</ref>, [[Jackie]] revealed that the day before Jackie's father who was drunk at the time got into a call with [[Chris]]. It is unknown if the call was recorded, and even if it was, no audio nor transcript of the call has been released, making this call lost.

===Julie Reveals Herself (Video)===
{{See also|Julie Reveals Herself}}

[[Julie Reveals Herself]] is a [[Mumble]] chat between [[Bluespike]] and [[Chris]] on 3 [[March 2009]] which involves shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum and [[Julie]] revealing herself to be a boy. While the audio of the chat exists, the video that accompanied it, which includes footage of Chris shoving the [[Sonichu Medallion]] up his rectum, is lost. It's worth noting that Chris claimed he didn't record himself doing so, so it's possible a video recording never existed to begin with (and given the rest of the trolls were disgusted at what was going on, it's possibly unlikely they didn't have a recording of it either).

===Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba (original)===
{{See also|Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Bumba-Lumba}}

Chris uploaded the video in [[January 2024]] but then removed it later in the month and uploaded another copy. Only the Raw Captions generated by YouTube were archived of the original video.

===MKRs Bloody Chunks Leaks===
{{see also|Chats leaked by MKRs Bloody Chunks}}
On 27 January 2020, a Kiwi Farms account under the name '''MKRs Bloody Chunks''' leaked a set of messages and audio files from The Place and Arbitarch CWC Alliance servers. These were only partially archived on the CWCki however. As of April 2025, the majority of these contents have been lost, as many of the links from the original post are now broken.<ref>{{cite farms|thread=52454|post=5926848}}</ref>

===My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey (Kacey's Part)===
{{See also|My Half of A Whole New World for Kacey}}

On 31 [[October 2009]] Chris made a video singing the male part of the lyrics to the song "A Whole New World", in response to [[Kacey]] uploading a video singing the female part of the same song. While Chris's video is available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gv3znHKues</ref>, Kacey's video has been taken down by YouTube and is currently lost.

===No More Jokes (Clyde's response)===
{{See also|No More Jokes}}

[[No More Jokes]] was a video by [[Chris]] released on 5 [[November 2009]] in which he reveals the real identity of [[Clyde Cash]]. While both the SFW and NSFW versions of the video exist, Clyde's response to the video is currently lost.

===PS3 Tutorial for my fans (full video)===
{{See also|PS3 Tutorial for my fans}}

On 24 [[February 2010]] the [[Magical Man]] uploaded a video in which he filmed Chris giving a tutorial on how to use a [[PS3]]. The video starts mid-sentence and ends abruptly showing that there was more footage than was released. The full video has not been found.

===Red Forest (other audio files)===
{{See also|Red Forest}}

[[Red Forest]] is one of several audio files created by [[Joshua Wise]] created in the autumn of [[2017]] used to manipulate Chris's beliefs on reality. There are other files aside from [[Red Forest]] to have existed with the only known one being revealed by Wise in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]] in which Wise used Chris's audio in an altered form to manipulate him.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Idea_Guy_Q%26A#Manipulating_Chris</ref> This audio has never been released, and it is unknown how many other audio clips existed as none aside from [[Red Forest]] have been leaked, making them lost.

===Rollin' and Trollin' (raw footage)===
{{See also|Rollin' and Trollin'}}

On 17 [[July 2009]], Chris uploaded a video filmed by the [[Magical Man]] in which he attempted to convince viewers that his entire internet history had in fact been a trolling scheme. The video was evidently filmed with a camera that had a 16:9 aspect ratio, before being stretched to a 4:3 aspect ratio and exported in 480p quality. This suggests that the raw footage of [[Rollin' and Trollin']] could be the earliest known video of Chris recorded in HD, though any raw footage from the video's production has yet to surface and is likely lost.

===Simonchu===
{{See also|Simonchu}}

[[Simonchu]] was a parody comic of [[Sonichu]] staring the eponymous character Simonchu created on 26 [[August 2008]]. As the comic was hosted on [[Asperpedia]] which shut down in [[2010]] and the archive of Simonchu has its file link request invalidated the comic was lost aside from some fragments.<ref>https://sneed.today/threads/simonchu-the-lost-fancomic.10338/#post-809780</ref><ref>https://imgur.com/fWC2lw3,1B7ulIl,GIIC5w1,eu84mkL,5eeYSx1,aNUzCR8,7eoGNbq,53ilnRW,i6xiNk6,3FirXzm,lrcSkRr,oQHqVSK,CYo0pA6,3ZTtGWC</ref> All 15 pages of Simonchu Issue 0 were found over a decade later by [[Statustjej]], who uploaded it to the Internet Archive on 27 [[October 2025]] and 3 [[November 2025]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/simonchu-comic-book-issue-0</ref> However, Simonchu Issue 1(27 pages), the Simonchu Special(5 pages), and the Simonchu Issue 2 cover remain lost.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142048/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_%28Comic%29</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20100514142053/http://www.hsienko.com/asperchu/index.php?title=Simonchu_Issue_2</ref>

===Sockness DMs===
{{See also|Sockness DMs}}

Jacob Sockness is known to have had two DM communications with Chris, the first being on 28 [[August 2019]] and the second on 17 [[July 2020]]. Both DMs only show part of the communication making the entirety of their communications lost.

===Sonichu Fan Promo (videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Fan Promo}}

The [[Sonichu Fan Promo]] were three 3D animated shorts on [[Sonichu]] made by [[Timmys1984]], released between 11-14 [[October 2008]]. While the transcripts of all three videos exist, only the third video remains.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZpNoO0ZRDBE</ref> However, [[Chris]] incorporated these animations into [[Sonichu]] Issue 9, pages 72, 78, and 79 with 72 being the first short, 78 is the second short, and 79 is the third short.

===Sonichu's Live PS4 Broadcast===
{{See also|Twitch}}

On 16 [[March 2018]] Chris streamed the game '''Burnout Paradise Remastered''' on the [[PS4]]. While certain parts of the stream are available<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXt6H5t1MoY</ref><ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUwx7Y0A6_o</ref>, the stream footage in its entirety has been lost.

===The "Black Tape"===
{{Main|The Black Tape}}
"[[The Black Tape]]" is a recording of a Skype call between Chris, [[Jackie]] and several other trolls recorded at some time between the 7th and 8th of [[September 2011]], shortly after the death of [[Bob Chandler]]. Chris was distraught and grief-stricken during the call, with the contents of the call considered so upsetting that it has never been released to the public.

===The Chris Chan Interview (unedited version)===
{{See also|Keffals}}

The Chris Chan Interview was an interview conducted by [[Keffals]] with [[Chris]], uploaded to [[Youtube]] on 16 [[January 2024]]. However the uploaded interview was an edited version, with the unedited version only being accessible if someone pledged to the $100,000 tier on Keffals's [[Patreon]].<ref>https://twitter.com/keffals/status/1747443430282702958</ref> Currently no one has pledged to this tier and considering the price point it is unlikely that anyone ever will, making this work currently lost.

===ThePCAssassins Phone Calls===
{{See also|ThePCAssassins }}

ThePCAssassins is a YouTube account which previously had hosted many videos of trolls calling and speaking to Bob. To date only four of these calls are still publicly available, making the rest lost. One of them is numbered "Bob Call 6," indicating there are, at minimum, between two and five additional recordings currently unaccounted for, depending on how the other videos were originally numbered.

===Tlaw DMs===
{{See also|Tlaw DMs}}

Tlaw, at an unknown date, had a communication with Chris over setting a tabletop role-playing game in CWCville. However, the middle part of the communication is missing, making it lost.

===Unrecorded Voicemail Greetings===
{{See also|Voicemail greeting}}
Chris has changed his cell phone voicemail greeting message many times over the years. Many of these greetings have a transcription but no available recording, either because they were never recorded or because the recording has become lost.

===Unreleased Jackie E-mails===
{{See also|Category:Jackie E-mails}}

Between 5 [[April 2010]] to 7 [[September 2011]], [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] interacted with each other over emails which have been compiled into 31 sets. However, the emails present are the ones [[Alec Benson Leary]] compiled and it is confirmed that [[Jackie]] and [[Chris]] had email conversations that [[Alec Benson Leary]] omitted due to them being irrelevant.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/are-you-losing-interest-in-chris.3255/page-5#post-190559</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/ZznwI</ref> Considering how long ago these events happened, it is likely that these unreleased emails will never surface, making them lost.

===Unreleased Miscreant Interactions===
{{See also|Miscreants}}

The [[Miscreants]] were a group of [[trolls]] consisting of many of the most notable, including [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Liquid Chris]]. While many of their interactions with [[Chris]] are known, [[Marvin]] has confirmed that a significant amount of chats and calls the [[Miscreants]] and [[Chris]] had have not been released.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/7-5-chris-and-chrissy.10627/page-6#post-822127</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/Om30l</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/official-decision-regarding-gender-and-chris-gender-discussion-megathread.6283/page-31#post-5067791</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/5HTxq</ref> Considering how long ago these interactions happened and the fact it is unknown if anyone has these unreleased chats and calls, these interactions are likely lost.

===Web Soup Appearance===
{{See also|For G4s Web Soup}}

''Web Soup'' was a television series on the defunct network G4, which served as a spin-off of the E! network's long-running series ''The Soup'' and, like that series, focused on satirical commentary on then-recent pop culture events, specifically Internet media and viral videos. One episode, aired in [[July 2009]], featured an appearance of Chris's [[I Got a Fish]] video, the [[Toucher and Rich Segment|second time]] it popped up in the mainstream media. However, even though Chris himself acknowledged this appearance, the episode with that segment has been lost to time. While several other episodes of ''Web Soup'' have been recovered and archived over the years, the one with Chris's appearance has yet to resurface, not helped by the series being off the air since 2014 and never having been given an official home media release.

==Lost Relics==
===Asperchu Medallion===
{{See also|Asperchu}}

The '''Asperchu Medallion''' was a variant of the [[Sonichu]] medallion featuring [[Asperchu]] instead of [[Sonichu]] sent to [[Chris]] by [[Alec Benson Leary]]. It is unknown when [[Alec Benson Leary]] sent the medallion to [[Chris]] however the medallion was first seen in Chris's [[Magical Man Potion]] video uploaded on 24 [[February 2010]]. [[Chris]] revealed in a [[Facebook]] post made on 2 [[August 2014]]<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/August_2014_Facebook_Posts#Fan_items_lost_in_the_fire</ref> that the '''Asperchu Medallion''' was destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], making it lost.

===Attraction Sign===
{{See also|Attraction Sign}}

The [[Attraction Sign]]s were a series of signs detailing his desire for a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] used from [[2004]] to [[2014]]. All the signs made before the [[2014 house fire]] have not appeared since likely being destroyed in the event, thereby making them lost. One sign has been made since the [[2014 house fire]] on [[July 2014]] on Chris's [[OkCupid]] account<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Okcupid_8_jul_2014_4.jpg</ref>, however, it has also not appeared since likely making it lost.

===Goddess Log Vol. 5===
According to TheGamerFromMars's documentary ''The Resurrection of Chris Chan'', though the first four volumes of the Goddess Logs were sent over to 14 Branchland Ct, the fifth volume, which details Chris's stay at [[Western State Hospital]], was severely deteriorated from water damage before anyone could get a copy.<ref>[[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]</ref>

===Heart Torch of Fail===
{{See also|Heart Torch of Fail}}

The [[Heart Torch of Fail]] was a torch made of [[Pixelblocks]] that has an unknown significance to the [[Love Quest]]. The torch was made sometime before or during [[2005]] as it appears in [[Sonichu 4]], which was produced in the year [[2005]]. Since its appearance in [[2005]], it has never been seen since likely, being destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], thereby making it lost.

===Medallions===
{{See also|Medallions}}

The [[Medallions]] refers to the [[Sonichu]] [[Medallions]] made by [[Chris]] over the course of his life. The prototype medallion which [[Chris]] wore in [[2004]] as it is mentioned in the [[Autism papers]] disappeared after this year and is believed to be lost in the literal sense.

===Red String of Fate===
{{See also|Red String of Fate}}

The [[Red String of Fate]] was a string with a paper heart attached on the end designed to attract a [[boyfriend-free girl]] that [[Chris]] created on 1 [[August 2004]]. In [[anime]] like [[Excel Saga]], of which Chris likely got the idea from as he watched [[Excel Saga]] before creating the [[Red String of Fate]],<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20160827014324/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcville//SchusNews3.htm</ref> the [[red string]] is used as a metaphor to in courting love. However, [[Chris]] did not see the metaphor and would throw the [[red string]] at women in the hopes of "reeling" them in. On 5 [[August 2004]] a [[Jerkop|mall security guard]] confiscated it and it has never resurfaced, likely being destroyed and thereby lost.

===The Wall of Originals===
{{See also|The Wall of Originals}}

[[The Wall of Originals]] was a wall covered in Chris's customized [[Pokémon]] cards. Most of the cards from the wall were destroyed in the [[2014 house fire]], although some survived as revealed in a [[July 2017]] tweet and [[Chris]] listing the surviving cards on [[eBay]] in [[June 2018]].<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/July_2017_tweets#Holographic_cards</ref>

==Lost and Found Media==

{{Quote|I will try, if chance favours my wishes, to seek for you the Germanic Wars of Pliny the Elder.|Symmachus, Letters, 4.18.5}}

===2021 Lost Commissions===
{{See also|2021 Lost Commissions}}

The [[2021 Lost Commissions]] were a series of commissioned art created in the summer of 2021 for the [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW]] fundraiser. Due to Chris's arrest for incest these works were never delivered and remained lost at [[14 Branchland Court]] until Chris reacquired them after his release. These works would then be listed on [[OfficialCWCmart]] on 15 [[October 2023]].

===An Interview with the Chris-Chan===
{{See also|Christian Weston Chandler Interview}}

An Interview with the Chris-Chan was Chris's first interview after trolling began occurring on or before 17 [[October 2008]]<ref>Date determined from [https://web.archive.org/web/20081021045439/http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Chris-chan/Archive10#An_interview ED Chris-chan talk page, Archive10]</ref> being hosted on [[PSN]] and being uploaded to Youtube. It is notable for being the first video appearance of [[Barb]]. Sometime after the video was removed from Youtube for "violating YouTube's policy on hate speech" until it was rediscovered and re-uploaded on 27 [[January 2017]].

===BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7 (full recording)===
{{See also|BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7}}

A recorded PSN chat between Chris, [[Bob]], and "[[Julie]]" lasting approximately twenty minutes. The first nine minutes and eighteen seconds of the chat were preserved, but the recording abruptly ends while Bob is discussing his music collection. The lost portion of the call includes Bob talking about his health problems and [[Cherokee]] heritage, followed by goodbyes and the trolls talking among themselves. A full copy of the call was located on [[statustjej]]'s hard drive, who promptly uploaded it to the Internet Archive.

===Chris-chan Discusses...===
{{See also|Chris-chan Discusses...}}

[[Chris-chan Discusses...]] is a series of interviews conducted by Larry Bundy and [[Chris]] conducted over [[June 2009]] and uploaded to Youtube over [[July 2009]]. However the releases over [[July 2009]] were only extracts from the full interviews of which were not released until 30 [[August 2012]].

===[[Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg]]===
[[File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|thumb|200px|right|The screencap.]]
On 30 [[March 2011]], [[CWCki]] editor [[User:Riley Martin|Riley Martin]] uploaded [[:File:Chris in his Escort creepy smile.jpg|a mysterious picture]] to the site. Not much was known about the image besides the little information the editor gave:
{{quoteboxred|From some mysterious video. Chris’ face never changes from that smile, and he never stops staring. Don’t ask where it’s from.}}

Later the same day, a CWCki editor would ask for the source of the screencap on its talk page, but didn't receive any reply. Riley Martin has not edited the CWCki since 26 [[February 2012]], making the original video and its context lost for over a decade.

YouTube user [[Statustjej]] finally uploaded the clip on 10 [[October 2025]].<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O-Slh34q7Y</ref>

===Chris Sex Logs (Audio)===
{{See also|Chris Sex Logs}}

On 27 [[September 2008]] [[PandaHalo]] released a series of Skype chats in which Chris discussed with her a variety of subjects related to [[sex]]. While the transcript of the chats is available, the audio accompanying the chats was lost for over 10 years except for a 5:30-minute snippet.<ref>https://archive.org/details/cwcsexlogs1</ref> The audio was later uploaded to the Internet Archive by [[Statustjej]].<ref>https://archive.org/details/lost-chrischan-pandahalo-audio-logs</ref>

===CopperCab Interview===
{{See also|CopperCab}}

The CopperCab Interview is an interview between Claire Kittrell, known on Youtube as CopperCab, and [[Chris]] uploaded on 23 [[October 2017]]. However the interview uploaded was not the full interview as indicated by the "Part 2 Tomorrow!" at the end of the video. However Part 2 was not uploaded on 24 [[October 2017]] leading to the assumption that Part 2 would never be released making it lost. However Part 2 was released on 5 [[August 2021]].

===CWC is Angry===
{{See also|CWC is Angry}}

[[CWC is Angry]] is a video released in [[August 2007]] in which Chris shoots at a picture of [[Adam Stackhouse]] with the [[Megatron pistol]] and is notable for being Chris's last video before he got trolled. Sometime after, the video was lost as [[Adam Stackhouse]] in a comment made on or before 8 April 2009 mentions the video being lost,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20130408113141/http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=lA84b9eCyZA From YouTube comments, user 1693productions]</ref> later in [[April 2009]] the video was found.

===Fiona Facetime Video - Hair Twirling===
{{see also|Fiona Facetime Videos}}

Three videos of [[Fiona]] and Chris interacting over Facetime were censored on the CWCki. This was due to the Suitress Policy, which at one point called for censoring Fiona's appearances. The policy was relaxed on March 2022, now allowing for her face to be shown in videos and first name to be used in transcripts. This led to two of the three videos becoming uncensored, but one of the videos, Hair Twirling, remained censored because the uncensored video was lost for some time. The source for the original video was later found.

===Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)===
{{See also|Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)}}

[[Internet Dream Lounge 4 - Chris Chan (unused version)]] refers to the original interview conducted between members do the Internet Dream Lounge and [[Chris]] that took place on 4 [[September 2017]]. However upon negative feedback this interview was not uploaded, making it lost, while a second interview was held which was uploaded on 8 [[October 2017]]. However in [[August 2020]] the file of the unused first interview was leaked making it found.

===IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court===
{{See also|IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court}}

The [[IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court]] as the title suggests was a tour of Chris's home that occurred on 31 [[August 2014]] with [[Chris]] giving the tour to [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]]. The audio and slideshow of the tour were posted to [[Cousin Al]]'s YouTube channel on 8 [[September 2014]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/irl-tour-of-14-bc-audio.8231/ ([https://archive.ph/JqIx8 archive])</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20150311043032/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b4w28lQAON0</ref> Al's YouTube channel was subsequently terminated leading to the video of the audio and slideshow becoming lost. However, as of 6 [[August 2022]], a copy of the video was found.

===Jackson Dalton Interview===
{{See also|Jackson Dalton}}

The [[Jackson Dalton]] Interview was an interview between Jackson Dalton and [[Chris]] that occurred on 4 [[January 2019]] and uploaded to Youtube on 8 [[January 2019]] however the interview posted was edited and was not the full interview. Shortly after the upload the interview was taken down by Dalton due to poor reception, but was archived, while the unedited version was not released leading to the assumption it would never be released and thereby making it lost. However on 13 [[February 2020]] Dalton uploaded the full unedited interview.

===Manchester High Leaks===
{{See also|Manchester High Leaks}}

The [[Manchester High Leaks]] is a series of high school assignments from Chris's junior year between [[1998]] and [[1999]].<ref>https://archive.ph/4xcbm</ref> It was thought that these documents were permanently lost in the [[2014 house fire]] as before the fire these documents had not surfaced leading to them being considered lost even before the fire. However, [[Cousin Al]] on [[June 2014]] after digging through Chris's trash, found these documents though they were damaged from the [[2014 house fire]].

===Power (Document)===
{{See also|Power}}

[[Power]] was a zip file containing three videos of [[Chris]] performing acts of strength to impress [[Vanessa Hudgens]] which was leaked by [[The Miscreants]] on 27 [[April 2009]]. Along with the three videos contained an edited audio file of "[[I Got a Fish]]" and a "special thanks" document. While the videos and audio files were available, the "special thanks" document was lost for a over a decade until its contents were confirmed by [[Statustjej]] in the comments of their [[Chris Chan creepy smile|creepy smile]] reupload, and uploaded the original zipfile to the Internet Archive on 12 [[November 2025]].

===Rental House Tour===
{{See also|Rental House Tour}}

The [[Rental House Tour]] was a tour of Chris' temporary house in the aftermath of the [[2014 house fire]] recorded by [[Catherine]] and [[Cousin Al]] on 31 [[August 2014]]. Sometime before or on 6 [[March 2019]] the video had been lost.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lost-cwcki-links.54097/</ref><ref>https://archive.ph/uuKkf</ref> However, on 14 and 19 [[April 2019]] the 1st and 2nd halves of the recording were found.

===Scrapbook of Fail===
{{See also|Scrapbook of Fail}}

The [[Scrapbook of Fail]] are two binders containing every comic [[Chris]] has ever drawn including [[Sonichu]]. After the [[2014 house fire]] the scrapbook stopped being mentioned leading to the belief that it had been lost as reported by [[Sachumo]]<ref>https://youtu.be/bXjnakAlF-s?t=3420</ref> however, in [[November 2015]] [[Chris]] revealed the scrapbook had been found and survived the fire.

===ShecameforCWC.JPG===
{{See also|ShecameforCWC.JPG}}

[[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] is a pornographic drawing consisting of [[Chris]] vaginally stimulating [[Megan Schroeder]] uploaded to [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] on 11 [[November 2007]]. On 4 [[November 2013]], and again in [[January 2018]], Chris claimed that he had destroyed the original drawing, leading to the assumption that it was lost media<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/November_2013_Facebook_Posts#That_Dang_Drawing</ref><ref>[[Brianfrogboy chats#shecameforcwc]]</ref>. However, on 23 [[April 2018]], Chris listed [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] for sale on his [[eBay]], which was bought by the [[Teen Troon Squad]]. It turned out that Chris had not truly destroyed the drawing but cut it up into squares - making it easy to reassemble - before placing it in the [[Crumple-Lope]]. It is unknown what the Teen Troon Squad have done with the drawing but it can be presumed they still own it, though they have not shown it off.

===The Classic===
{{See also|The Classic}}

[[The Classic]] refers to Chris's red and blue rugby shirt that he wore in many of his videos. It was thought that this shirt was destroyed and thereby lost in the [[2014 house fire]]. However, in [[April 2017]] [[Chris]] found [[The Classic]]. However, on 10 [[August 2018]] [[Barb]] threw away [[The Classic]] as revealed in a text to the [[Teen Troon Squad]] from [[Chris]], thereby making [[The Classic]] lost again.<ref>https://8ch.net/cow/res/651071.html#q687492</ref>

===The Sonichu Chronicles (Slides)===
{{See also|The Sonichu Chronicles}}

[[The Sonichu Chronicles]] was a PowerPoint presentation made by [[Chris]] in [[January 2009]] and was presented to [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Reggie Fils-Aimé]] as to give ideas on a [[Sonichu]] game. The contents of the slides are known as Chris in [[November 2009]] displayed them in the two part video [[Sonichu Powerpoint]]. However, the PowerPoint file was missing, making the slides lost for over a decade until [[Statustjej]] uploaded them to the Internet Archive on 21 October 2025.<ref>https://archive.org/details/the-sonichu-chronicles</ref>

===Sonichu Home Club (Videos)===
{{See also|Sonichu Home Club}}

The [[Sonichu Home Club]] was an online event hosted on Chris's [[PS3]] through an online network. The purpose of these events was to gather [[TRUE and HONEST]] fans of [[Sonichu]], however, it appears these events were done by [[Chris]] in the hope of receiving praise. Two of these events occurred and had videos made about them by [[Vivian Gee]], but they were deleted. However, they were soon reuploaded in 2017 by CWCville Archives.

==Unknown Lost Media==
While this article has listed lost media associated with [[Chris]], this is the only lost media known to have existed and is now lost. It is almost certain that there are hundreds if not thousands of pieces of lost media around [[Chris]] that were never known or never released publicly or were never archived and have been lost. One can only speculate what has not been released or what has been lost over the course of Chris's life. Moreover, one can only speculate on what is waiting to be found.

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Rollin' and Trollin'

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Cottonmather:

[[Image:cwcrollin.png|thumb|right|KEEP ROLLIN', TROLLIN', ROLLIN', TROLLIN']]

'''Rollin' and Trollin'''' is a video of downtown [[CWCville]] (really downtown [[Charlottesville]]) uploaded on 17 [[July 2009]], in which Chris attempts [[Wikipedia:Andy Kaufman|Kaufmanesque humor]]. Notable is a video message to real life [[trolls]], including several [[CWCki]] editors. The key component of this message is that, in a shocking turn of events, Chris was engaging in the most elaborate trolling scheme in history, and has duped us all masterfully. (If only that were true.)

To sell the deception, [[Chris]] changed his look to have:
*a normal hairstyle
*[[That Goatee WILL Grow Back|a goatee]]
*sunglasses instead of large, square [[pedo-glasses]]
*plain blue T-shirt and jeans
*[[navy]] blue sleeveless unbuttoned shirt over his T-shirt
*dog-collar bracelets
*tattoo sleeves, a ''[[Guitar Hero]]: Metallica'' pre-order gift from [[Best Buy]]
*no [[Amnyfest Ring]]
*a chain with some dog tags, instead of his trademark [[Sonichu medallion]]

Of course, the disguise unintentionally gave away the truth: the lack of the ring and medallion suggested that Chris was not entirely TRUE and HONEST when he made this video, something that he indeed confirmed later. Chris also is continuing his pattern that started about a month before of sometimes not speaking clearly; however, his dialogue is especially unclear here at many parts.

In some parts of the video, his voice suddenly sounds like that of a man in his twenties. However, in other parts of the video, his voice starts cracking as it normally does, like a young boy's voice. No matter what, he still sounds like... well, an [[autism|autistic]].

In his ''[[Internet Dream Lounge]]'' podcast interview, according to Chris's recollection, the cameraman was the mysterious [[Magical Man]] – a friend of Chris's [[Gal pal|gal pal]] [[Kim Wilson]]. Notably, the video appears to have been filmed in a 16:9 aspect ratio, only to be stretched into the 4:3 aspect ratio typical of Chris, making it potentially the first video of Chris to be filmed in HD. Unfortunately, any raw footage recorded for the video has likely been long since [[Lost Media|lost]].

Interestingly enough, Chris behaves (or at least makes a poor attempt to behave) as a normal person would. This implies that he knows to some degree that what he is doing with his life ISN'T normal. To what degree he realizes this is unknown.

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Rollin' and Trollin'
| ytid = MD4AulkzdJE
| stardate = 17 [[July 2009]]
| maker = [[IBAChandler]]
| subject = {{Music|text}}, {{Trollsicon|text}}, {{Politics|text}}
| style = {{Comedy|text}}, {{Smug|text}}
| shirt = {{TrollinShirt|text}}
| other = {{Live|text}}
| previous = [[Chris's Big Night Out II]]
| next = [[CWC Trollin More]]
}}

{{quote|Well the, uh, truth comes out. I’ve never been autistic, I work forty hours a week to support my parents, this has all been a trick, you have all been trolled. }}

=== Transcript ===

[''Note: an [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107843413913045677951.0004720130396776af50b&ll=38.030219,-78.480331&spn=0.006845,0.012757&t=h&z=17&lci=com.google.ugc.c752d13e87c4fbd7 annotated listing] of the locations featured in this video has been created on Google Maps.'']

''Christian Weston Chandler, Rollin’ and Trollin’''

[''Music, in the form of "Escape from the City" from ''[[Sonic]] Adventure 2'', plays as Chris walks down the street'']

'''Chris''': [''imitating an announcer''] Hi, we’re coming to you live from CWCville today. We’re over at the CWCville pavilion. The, uh, [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|Hedgehog Boys]] and the, uh, master Christian Mayor the, uh they for day, uh, come here every Friday night and, uh, and it draws a crowd, uh, and it’s very good, y’know. [''Shimmies clumsily''] This gives me some, uh, business from amongst the population that comes around.

[''Music plays as Chris walks down the street'']

'''Chris''': Ah yes, this is our graffiti wall in the mid- uh in the middle of the, uh, city of CWCville in the metropolis. The, uh, fee- the, uh, children are, uh, enjoying it obviously and this is also part of our beautification project in the city and we and I gotta say that the, uh, project just looks fantab- fantastic from here. It all looks very good. I tell you what. “Give me the liberty to know, to utter and to argue according to conscience above all liberties.”

[''Music plays while Chris goes to an elevator. 15 seconds of dead air time pass while he waits for the elevator to arrive while the music plays like it's the coolest thing in the world. The video is also even cut in between the elevator wait as the elevator took even longer to come. The music itself makes the dead air time seem like it's two minutes instead of fifteen seconds. The music continues as he boards the elevator. The lift rises until they arrive at a car park on the top floor.'']

'''Cameraman''': So how do you feel about President [[Barack Obama|Obama]] and his economic policies?
[[File:Cameraman.png|thumb|Contrary to popular belief, the cameraman (on the right) seems to be a pretty normal guy.]]

'''Chris''': I like it. It’s he’s doing a smash-up job of it and he’s, uh, getting everybody their money and, uh, getting everybody the bang for their buck.

'''Cameraman''': How do you feel about President Obama’s foreign policies with countries like Iran and Iraq?

'''Chris''': Hmmm. Yeah. I think he’s doin’ OK. You know, uh, establishing, uh, good communications and, uh, giving them what they, uh, require yeah he’s I think he’s doing a very good job with his, uh, foreign policies.

'''Cameraman''': President Obama, being a family man, what is your opinion on his character?

'''Chris''': I think he’s a regular stand up [[Family Guy|family guy]].

[''During the Obama questions, Chris's voice pitch was in the style of how his voice becomes very high-pitched when he lies.'']

[''Music plays as Chris walks along talking and gesturing at the sky. They arrive at the Timberlake drug store.'']

'''Chris''': Ah, yes, the old Timberlake drug store. It’s been in the, uh, family for generations. The, uh, only, uh ss- generation that, uh, has not been able to run it is the one that went on to a singing career.

[''Outside a bar named Rapture. A clothing store called [[Vivian]]'s is clearly visible'']

'''Chris''': Alright, well, since the, uh, bar s- since the bar law has been repealed, the drinking law, the this here’s the first bar to open up. The, uh, Rapture, uh, in the city of CWCville. Ah, also known by the nickname of, uh, R2.

[''Heart wipe. Chris strides along to music'']

[[File:1920px-2008-0830-Charlottesville-DowntownMall.jpg|thumb|Downtown CWCville.]]
'''Chris''': Over in downtown CWCville the honor the, uh, death of our dearly departed, uh, bodyguard of mine, [[BILLY MAYS]]. He sacrificed his life in an assassination attempt from m- from me and, uh, is doobly honored in downtown CWCville. We build this building. [''Camera pans to a derelict apartment block.''] To be completed in a few, uh, the towers n-, uh, the building the buildings will be the BILLY MAYS Tower and will serve as the new commercial site in the commercial center.

''And now some words to our fans''

'''Chris''': Hey Xantos (sic), man don’t ya be waggling that carton finger around at people. [''Flips off the camera''] Hey [[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]], you wish you were as cool as [[Doctor Robotnik|Doctor Ivo Eggman]]. [''Punches the air, gives V-sign''] Tie day is groovy, maaan. PeachyKeen is always awesome [''V-sign turns into Shocker sign''] wasn’t just in a decade it’s forever. [[Wikipedia:Space Channel 5|Ulala]], now reporting for Space Channel 9, is that yoouu in that picture? Hey, Cosmos, you wish that I could feel ya’. [[Wikipedia:Anthony Sullivan (pitchman)|Anthony Sullivan]], you’re nothing without BILLY MAYS, you’re nothing with BILLY MAYS and if you want to talk about cock building look at BILLY MAYS memorial right behind me. Okay, El Misto, you don’t like my beard so much [''Camera zooms in on his chin''] I’ll tell you much it was a present form uncle Scrotor. Tez-manian Devil, some people have oily skin [''Camera zooms in on his forehead''] it doesn’t mean that their hygiene is bad. How about instead of the, uh, water that doesn’t work so well how about I rub you off my face! Hey double C D, yeah the Robotech Era is over Gundam overshadowed it. Arrrg, Neckbeardedone, quit lurking in ye shadows and step up and be a real troll. Hey [[User:RachmaninovDESU‎|Rachmaninov]] [''In air quotes''] stop dissing this chick. Man up will you? [[Captain's Log]], Stardate: Velour Fog? [[Futurama|Zapp Brannigan]]? What’s the deal with that? I’d punch you in the face like Leela does. [''Swipes at the air''] Hey Morden, yeah we kissed but that’s not all: I hit that like the fist of an angry God.

''Thank you''

[''Music plays as Chris walks'']

[''In a park. Chris is wearing a pair of eye glasses over his eyes and a pair of sunglasses over his forehead'']

'''Chris''': Hey, I’m not near-sighted that was a rules [ruse]. If you want to see what they really do gimme a sec’. [''Puts glasses in front of the camera. With a whoosh and a hum, the scene becomes posterized in reds, purples, and greens, mimicking [[wikipedia:Predator (alien)|the infrared sight]] of the creatures from the ''Predator'' movies.'']

''A few thoughts on [[Optimus Prime]]''

'''Chris''': Yeah, Optimus Prime, uh, compurer, um, do not really care much for him, uh, I mean ever since the movie he’s always hanging around with Sam y'know. He’s always hanging around with kids. [[BlueSpike|Somemany]] [[Pedofork|needs to call]] [[Wikipedia:Chris Hansen|Chris Hansen]].

''The final word about the greatest troll in history...''

Well the, uh, truth comes out. I’ve never been [[autism|autistic]], I work forty hours a week to support my parents, this has all been a trick... [''camera zooms in on Chris as he points his finger''] ''you'' have been trolled.

[''Music plays while Chris does his victory lap'']

''Cast''

''Christian Weston Chandler as Himself''

''Special Thanks: The Field Agents of CWCVille’s Security Taskforce''

''The [[PVCC (board)|Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens]]''

''[[Axe|Old Spice Swagger: The Scent of Confidence]]''

''[[HEXBox|Microsoft’s X-Box 360]]''

''And the silly trolls everywhere, for the many lulz you have provided.''

==Fan videos==

{{Infobox/Fanvideo
|name = Viper - ROLLIN N TROLLIN
|ytid = D9Mg2s7LSAc
|stardate = 21 Nov 2022
|maker = {{w|Viper (rapper)|Viper}}
|info = Meme rapper makes a track about CWC.
}}
{{Infobox/Fanvideo
|name = Chris Chan: The Good Ending
|ytid = PXbjfPq_LAQ
|stardate = 13 [[July 2021]]
|maker = crashnburn254
|info = What if this was Chris's last video?
}}

==See also==
*[[Fridays After Five]]
*[[Ian Brandon Anderson]]

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[Chris's Big Night Out II]]|nextlink=[[CWC Trollin More]]|}}
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Hello, my sweety baby

2025-11-15T09:09:22Z

Cottonmather:

'''Hello, my sweety baby''' is a video leaked on [[Chris's birthday|24 Febr]][[February 2014|uary 2014]] of [[Chris]] singing the Tin Pan Alley song "[[Wikipedia:Hello! Ma Baby|Hello! Ma Baby]]" outside his house, in the style of the ''[[Wikipedia:Merrie Melodies|Merrie Melodies]]'' short ''[[Wikipedia:One Froggy Evening|One Froggy Evening]]''. He also attempts to do Michigan J. Frog's high-step dancing, but instead appears to stupidly jump and prance around as his [[manboobs]] jiggle all over the place.

Presumably he was singing to a [[heartsweet]] that he hadn't yet met. Either that, or this is another bout of [[random-access humor]]. Or both.

The video was shot on an iPhone, making it unusually high quality for his [[Chris and cameras|usual standards]]. It is the earliest known video recorded by or featuring Chris to be uploaded in HD.

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Hello, my sweety baby!
| ytid = MBDcdJDFzTk
| stardate = 8 [[May 2013]]
| subject = {{Galpals|[[Love Quest]]}}, {{Power|text}}, {{Music|text}}
| style = {{Crazy|text}}
| shirt = {{Class of 2000|text}}
| other = {{Leaked|text}}
| previous = [[Tour of Chris's House II]]
| next = [[2014 house fire]]
}}

=== Transcript ===
[''Chris has set the camera down on something uneven, resulting in the footage being at an odd angle.'']

[''terrifyingly comes close to the camera with a [[creepy stare|piercing stare]] before abruptly smiling''] '''A-woooe!''' [''looks at iPod Touch, salutes and sings in "baritone" as he prances around. Every time he lands a heavy step, his voice shakes under his own weight.'']

<poem>Hello, ma baby,
[[Monthly tugboat|Hello, ma money]] [''sic''],
Hello, ma ragtime gal,
Send me a kiss by wire,
Baby, [[Obesity|my heart's on fire]]!
If you refuse me,
Honey, you'll lose me,
... you'll be left alone;
Oh baby, telephone
And tell me I'm your own!

[''Looks at his iPod for lyrics, being too lazy to learn them, then begins speaking in a [[Homos|gay]] voice'']
You call me on the telephone
You tell me that you’re all alone
I know that you are lying through your teeth
You dirty rascal
How could you expect me
To [[List of sweethearts|believe the lies you hand me]]
You've been out with that girl again
[''Chris skips the line "Now do you understand me?"'']
You broke my heart and made me cry
With every phoney alibi
When I could see the lipstick on your shirt
You dirty polecat
Telephone and tell me I'm your own.

[''begins singing in baritone again'']
Hello, ma baby,
Hello, ma honey,
Hello, ma ragtime gal,
I’m sorry that I made you blue
It was a beaut--it was a beastly thing to do
I shouldn’t have upset you like I did
With little blue--with Lil’ the barmaid
[''Chris skips the line "If you take me back again"'']
I’ll never, ever...wander
‘Cause when I did...
[''Chris pauses, breathing heavily from [[Obesity|the exertion of light exercise]]'']
I found that absence
Made the heart grow fonda!
[[Bob|Cross my heart and hope to die]]
[[List of Chris's lies|I’ll never tell another lie]]
I’ll mend your [[Heart level|broken heart]]
As good as new
My little cough-drop
Telephone and tell me I'm your own

Hello, ma baby,
Hello, ma honey,
Hello, ma ragtime gal,
[[CWC Cums for a Cat|Send me a kiss by wire,]]
Baby, my heart's on fire!
If you refuse me,
Honey, you'll lose me,
Then you'll be left alone;
Oh baby, telephone
And tell me I'm your own!</poem>

==Fan Videos==
{{Infobox/Fanvideo
| name = Chris Chan Michigan J. Frog (In Color!)
| video = {{#ev:youtube|RpIkST8E1F4}}
| Stardate = 24 [[February 2014]]
| Maker = HeirOfByzantium
}}

==References==
<references/>
{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[CWC Lego Manchester High School Oct 18 2013]]|nextlink=[[Mario Kart 8 Videos]]|}}
{{Music Videos}}
{{Power videos}}

[[Category:Leaked videos]]
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[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2013]]

Bob Chandler

2025-11-11T02:35:52Z

Cottonmather: Added last words

{{Incomplete|[[ThePCAssassins]]}}
{{quote|It was an interesting life I had.|Bob, at peace.<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref>}}

{{quote|All around the world, everyone prays to their own God, but they are all praying to the same God.|Bob's alleged last words.<ref>[[November 2025 social media posts#Chris is the Avatar, Bob's last words]]</ref>

{{quote|I don't believe he ever, Mr. C, any of her past boyfriends, ex-husbands... haven't really reached and hit her G-spot really with their dicks.|Chris, insulting Bob's memory by claiming that [[Affair with Mother|he was better at fucking]] [[Barbara Chandler|the man's wife]] [[Chris and his ego|than he ever was]].<ref>[[Incest Call]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
| name = Robert Franklin Chandler Jr.
| image = Chrischansdad.jpg
|imagesize = 250
|aliases = Bob Bobby Mr. C [[Bob Walks In|Internet Lumberjack]] [[Cole Smithey#Relationship with Barbara and Bob|Republican cur]] [[:File:Chandler family as ponies.png|Gallop Crush]] Robertchu<ref>[[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris#Sonichu genealogy for Chris, Bob and Ted Bundy]]</ref>
|label3 = Date of Birth
|day = 4
|month = 9
|year = 1927
|deathday = 6
|deathmonth = 9
|deathyear = 2011
|gender = Male
|nationality = [[United States|American]]
|race = White [[Count Dankula|Half-Sonichu]]<ref>Planted by [[Idea Guys#Lingering influence|Idea Guy]], mentioned in [[Count Dankula]] interview</ref>
|religion = Protestant (Methodist)
|label8 = Height
|ft = 5
|in = 7.5
|spouse = Patricia Faye Harley (1956–1980, divorce) [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara Ann Weston]] (1980–2011, his death)
|children = Dr. David Alan Chandler Carol Suzanne Chandler [[Christian Weston Chandler]] [[Cole Smithey]] (stepson)
|grandchildren = [[Savannah Chandler]]
|father = Robert Franklin Chandler Sr. (1906–1977)
|mother = Jean Hollomon (1906–1945)
|education = [[wikipedia:Auburn_University|Auburn University]] ([[wikipedia:Bachelor of Electrical Engineering|BEE]]) [[wikipedia:Jacksonville_State_University|Jacksonville State University]] (did not graduate)
|occupation = Military communications Engineer Inventor
|saga = {{saga|childhood|cn}}, {{saga|greene|cn}}, {{saga|bearstein|cn}}, {{saga|julie|cn}}, {{saga|emily|cn}}, {{saga|ivy|cn}}, {{saga|secondexile|cn}}
}}

'''Robert "Bob" Franklin Chandler Jr.'''<ref>[[Blanca E-mails#Chris likes Blanca|Email to Blanca]]</ref> (4 September [[Pre-1980#1920s|1927]] – 6 September [[2011]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20180110224343/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d155.html</ref>) was the father of [[Christian Weston Chandler]], [[Carol Chandler]] and [[David Alan Chandler]], the stepfather of [[Cole Smithey]], and husband of [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara Weston Chandler]]. Bob became a firm favorite with [[trolls]] due to Chris's antipathy towards him and for his infamous cameo when he [[Bob Walks In|walked in]] on Chris [[mass debating]].<ref>[[Bob Walks In]]</ref> His nickname, "The [[Chris and the Internet|Internet]] Lumberjack," came from this incident, wherein he promised to cut the internet down.

Despite being estranged from his other children, and despised by his stepson for abusive behavior, Bob was widely viewed as a better parent than his wife [[Barbara]] by Christorians, and – as far as Chris's own testimony can be trusted – he treated Chris better than any of his previous children. Bob had serious difficulties working with Chris's [[autism]], a disorder that he and his wife did not fully understand, but nonetheless, he had high hopes for his child in spite of the difficulties that he faced. Bob hoped to instill Chris with a variety of interests that reflected his own varied tastes, and he created The Dreaming Studio in their backyard in the hopes that they'd create things there (though, sadly, nothing of note was ever created there).

Because of this, Bob's popularity stems from being somewhat concerned with Chris's foolish behavior, and the fact that he occasionally tried to encourage a modicum of responsibility in Chris's sorry life, bringing up the fact that he devoted 29 years to raising his son. Of course, Chris was almost entirely unaffected by Bob's efforts to better him, but unlike Barb, he at least made the effort, even if his attempts were futile or harmful at worst. That being said, he also encouraged Chris to ''not'' seek employment in favor of getting [[Monthly tugboat|welfare]], even though Chris could still hold a part-time job and receive those benefits, so he's not entirely blameless for the sorry state that his son is in today, either. Not to mention that many of [[Homos|Chris's more backward]] [[Chris and race|social perspectives]] that he had in the "Classic Era" stem from his influence.

Bob was always eager to chat, and indeed much of the known information about Bob's life comes from conversations he had with trolls. It seems that Chris's passion for [[Honest Content]] did not fall too far from that tree, although Bob at least had a filter that his son lacks. Whether in person or over the phone, Bob appeared to relish the opportunity to speak with just about anyone. According to Chris, he was also a strong negotiator.<ref>[[The Place chats - ProjectSNT and Opuscon789#Browsing Kiwi Farms]]</ref>

On 6 September 2011, Bob died of complications from heart failure at Martha Jefferson Hospital ICU, surrounded by his family, his pastor and hospital staff.<ref name="BobObitarchive">http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071324/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailyprogress/obituary.aspx?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600 (archive from 11 Feb 2013)</ref> He was survived by his wife and son, who then had to become the man of the house. Chris occasionally raked in some income through commission work, though he has never looked for a serious career. Chris initially came to terms with his father's death in a conventional, healthy way, but eventually turned to a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism where he genuinely believed that his father was alive in [[Dimensions|another dimension]] as a [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]] named Robertchu.

Years later in 2021, Chris would disgrace Bob's memory by repeatedly having dubiously-consensual sex with his wife in an [[Affair with Mother|incest]]-based affair, with Chris bragging that he could get Barb off better than "Mr. C" ever could. Following this incident, both were separated from the house that he maintained, with Chris jailed, Barb temporarily hospitalized before eventually returning to the residence, and the Dreaming Studio left abandoned for good.

==Biography==
Bob was born on 4:15 PM at a medical arts building in {{w|Fort Worth, Texas}},<ref name="Prank calls">[[Prank calls]]</ref> and raised in {{w|Sylacauga, Alabama}}.<ref name="About">[[Date with Emily#Bob's work history (0:07:18–0:16:58)]]</ref> He was the only child of Robert "Bob" Franklin Chandler Sr. (8 February 1906<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/103153414/robert-franklin-chandler ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328063730/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/H5S7-BZM archive])</ref> – 27 December 1977<ref>https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG5R-6M6 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328072547/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FG5R-6M6 archive])</ref>), an Alabamian insurance agent, and Jean Hollomon (28 March 1906<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/5947049/jean-chandler ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328094240/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/H5S7-12M archive])</ref> – 10 May 1945<ref>https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JK33-QW8 ([https://web.archive.org/web/20160328092829/https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JK33-QW8 archive])</ref>), a Texan housewife.<ref>[[:File:Bob Chandler's birth certificate.jpg]]</ref> Bob has eight younger half-siblings on his father's side.<ref>https://www.hufffuneralhome.com/obituary/Dorothy-Chandler</ref> He also mentioned having a cousin and several [[Cherokee]] relatives in Oklahoma.<ref>[[Prank calls#Bob Calls Himself]]</ref><ref>[[Prank calls#A Redneck calls Bob Chandler]]</ref> However, a distant relative disputed his Cherokee heritage,<ref>[[Chandler Family Tree#Ancestry.com content]]</ref> and his son's [[Cherokian Clan#Reality|DNA test results]] in 2018 belied any American Indian descent. It is common for white Southerners to make dubious claims to Cherokee ancestry, for a variety of historical reasons.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201210120042/https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2015/10/cherokee-blood-why-do-so-many-americans-believe-they-have-cherokee-ancestry.html Slate article]</ref>

[[File:Robert Sr 1942.jpeg|thumb|left|200px|Bob in army uniform, 1946]]

[[File:Bob_Chandler_1945.png|thumb|right|200px|Bob Chandler (left) as a Boy Scout in 1945.]]

Bob has said that he was, "...interested in the world," around him since he was ten, and began collecting foreign [[stamps]] as a child in the [[1930s]]; his first stamp was of {{w|Michael I of Romania}}. He also developed an interest in foreign music, eventually collecting some 15,000–20,000 LPs from various genres and cultures.<ref name="PSN 37"/> About 100 or so survived the 2014 [[house fire]].<ref>[[Discord Q&A 4#Bob's record collection]]</ref>

Bob joined the [[wikipedia:Boy Scouts of America|Boy Scouts]], becoming an Eagle Scout and a Scoutmaster for over 20 years.<ref>[[Bob's Letters to Chris]]</ref>

According to Chris, Bob lost his [[virgin with rage|virginity]] at the age of 27, which would have been in 1954 or 1955.<ref>[[January 2012 Facebook Posts#February is coming up]]</ref>

===Service and education===

A 1942 yearbook from Sylacauga High School lists a "Bobby Chandler" in the freshman class and glee club, suggesting that he graduated from this school in spring 1945 before matriculating at {{w|Auburn University}} as an aeronautical engineering major that autumn.

[[File:Chris Korean War Graphic.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Bob served in Korea, and, thankfully for Chris, who believes that he was a sperm carried in one of his father's testicles during that time, he left before the Korean War broke out.]]

Bob apparently had knowledge that the Army desired,<ref>(Majoring in Aeronautical Engineering, Auburn University, Freshman p. 95 of the 1946 yearbook [https://web.archive.org/web/20170725175556/http://content.lib.auburn.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/gloms/id/4124/rec/14])</ref> was conscripted as a special draftee in 1946 and placed in the {{w|Signal Corps (United States Army)|Signal Corps}}. There, he learned how to install valve systems, switchboards, and telephones. After basic training and Signal School in {{w|Fort Monmouth}}, New Jersey, Bob was sent to Korea for a year to install infrastructure with the American occupation force. Bob recounted a reckless decision he made during his time in the Army after returning from Korea for the Christmas holiday in 1947. He hitchhiked to New York City, where he stayed for two weeks before running out of money, and then had to figure out how to get back to Fort Monmouth.. Serving until 1948, he was entitled to the WWII Victory Medal: his service number was 44107856.<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201210120633/https://aad.archives.gov/aad/record-detail.jsp?dt=893&mtch=11&tf=F&q=Chandler&bc=&sort=24996%2520desc&rpp=10&pg=4&rid=8565331&rlst=5136538%2C4652469%2C8564216%2C1000879%2C987835%2C4549799%2C991002%2C8565331%2C5188385%2C8565346]</ref>

Figuring he'd get "swallowed up" at a big college, Bob picked a small college, {{w|Jacksonville State Teachers College}} (now Jacksonville State University), after leaving the military. He studied pre-engineering and played French horn for the band and orchestra there for two years before returning to Auburn University, where he studied electrical engineering and graduated in 1952 with a {{w|Bachelor of Electrical Engineering}} degree.<ref>(page 269 of the 1952 yearbook)[https://web.archive.org/web/20170725175342/http://content.lib.auburn.edu/cdm/compoundobject/collection/gloms/id/16173/rec/20] {{w|G.I. Bill}}.</ref><ref name="About" /> As an engineer, he never learned to spell properly.<ref name = "Meet">[[Date with Emily#Meet the Parent (0:05:20–0:07:17)]]</ref> While he was at Auburn, he was part of the band once again, was a member of {{w|Wesley Foundation}}, a [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|United Methodist]] religious group; and Phi Mu Alpha, a social frat dedicated to men who are interested in music.

===Career===
[[File:Bob 25th Anniversary at General Electric.jpg|thumb|200px|Article on Bob's 25th anniversary at General Electric.]]

A 1946 military record included Bob's occupation while he was a student as "tinsmith, coppersmith, and sheet metal worker".

Bob worked for {{w|Western Electric}} as an engineer for four years, where he designed a variety of electrical subsystems, including relays, telephones and valve systems. Initially, he was working with the radar systems in test-planning automatic test equipment. With Western Electric, Bob and his co-worker filed a patent for electrical terminal block in 1955, which was published in 1959.<ref>https://patents.google.com/patent/US2884613A/en</ref> During the 1950s, he lived in [[wikipedia:Winston-Salem, North Carolina|Winston-Salem, North Carolina]], where his father and half of his half-siblings lived for the rest of their lives.

He was then offered a job by [[wikipedia:General Electric|General Electric]] in [[wikipedia:Utica, New York|Utica, New York]]. Since New York is too cold (and Yankee) for Bob, he left after three years, returning back to Winston-Salem for a few years before transferring to [[wikipedia:Roanoke, Virginia|Roanoke]] in Southwest Virginia, where he discovered his love for the mountains. In 1975, he moved to [[Richmond]], where he worked until 1980, when he was transferred to [[Charlottesville]].<ref name="About" /> He worked with both Goodrich and Goodyear.<ref name="PSN 37" />

With General Electric, Bob was responsible for at least seven patents. [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara]] claimed, in an email to [[Shigeru Miyamoto|Miyamoto]], that without Bob's influence in the computer world, the {{w|Nintendo Entertainment System|NES}} "...might not have arrived so soon,"<ref name="Barbara" /> ignoring the fact that the NES was designed and released in Japan in 1983, without influence from American electronics.

{{quote|Bob Chandler is one of the most creative engineers in the organization.|The General Manager at G.E.<ref>[[:File:Bob 25th Anniversary at General Electric.jpg]]</ref>}}

Examples of Bob's accomplishments include an automated steel mill for rolling steel for cars, a paper mill for the production of Kleenex, warehousing, railroads and tanker ships. He designed scooters, die casting machines, machines for producing plastic products<ref name="About" /> and a vehicle logging system.<ref>https://patents.google.com/patent/US3486009</ref> Both Chris and Barbara have bragged that Bob designed controls<ref>https://patents.google.com/patent/US3889849</ref> that were used in plastic water container molding machines.<ref name="About" /><ref name="Barbara">[[Miyamoto Saga#A Word from Snorlax]]</ref>

Bob retired in 1987 at the age of 59 or 60 after 31 years of service for General Electric.<ref>[[Bob's Letters to Chris#Open Letter - December 26th, 1987]]</ref> His relatively early retirement may have been provoked by health problems, as he writes in his December 1987 [[Bob's Letters to Chris|letter to Chris]] that "I know now that I, at best, haven't much time left to share myself with you".

Bob himself was proud of his, "...natural inclination for logic," although he was, "...inundated," by all his designs and whether he did well for the world. Would plastic water bottles lead to mankind's salvation or utter destruction? Only time would tell.<ref name="About" />

===World consciousness===
[[Image:0012-BobbyReading.jpg|thumb|Bob Chandler learning how to cut that Internet down.]]

{{quote|I have been very interested in the world since I was 10 years old, and that was 70 years ago and, the, uh, I'm very fond of and I really truly believe in the United Nations, but you won't find anybody else in my countryside or around here, I think, that does. (laughing) But anyway, I'm very world conscious.|[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7|Bob]]}}

Bob referred to himself as a {{w|Republican Party (United States)|Republican}}, and he did not vote for [[Barack Obama]] in {{w|United States presidential election, 2008|the 2008 presidential election}}.<ref name="Prank calls"/> That said, he had misgivings about {{w|Bob McDonnell}}, the Republican candidate in the {{w|Virginia gubernatorial election, 2009|2009 Virginia gubernatorial election}} and the ultimate winner of the election, possibly because of McDonnell's support for very strict anti-abortion laws, which made no exceptions for cases of rape or [[Chris and sex#incest|incest]]. Bob and Chris considered writing in Snoopy from ''[[Peanuts]]'' as a protest vote.<ref>[[Regina e-mails#Wikipedia: The answer to everything]]</ref>

In a potentially damaging moment on 18 [[February 2009]], Bob doubted the existence of [[Molvanîa]], [[Julie]]'s country of origin,<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.5]]</ref> but he continued talking on the grounds that his grasp of post-Soviet geography was shaky. He apparently convinced himself that Molvanîa was the same place as the real country of {{w|Moldova}}, a former Soviet republic located near the Black Sea.<ref name="PSN 37">[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> However, he rather damningly failed to question why Julie spoke perfect English with an American accent.

Besides Korea, Bob also visited Australia and England at some point in his life.<ref name = "Retired Life">[[Date with Emily#Retired life (0:16:59–0:24:22)]]</ref>

==Relationships==

===Previous family===

Bob was previously married to a woman named Patricia Harley on 29 September 1956 at a United Methodist church in Winston-Salem, North Carolina. They had two children, [[David Alan Chandler]] (b. 1961) and [[Carol Suzanne Chandler]] (b. 1964).

Bob and Patricia separated on 28 June 1976 before divorcing on 28 January 1980.<ref name="BobObit">https://www.legacy.com/us/obituaries/dailyprogress/name/robert-franklin-chandler-obituary?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600</ref><ref>[[:File:1980 1 28 - Bob, Patricia divorce.png]]</ref> Bob's relationships with David and Carol were strained in his later years.<ref name="Cole2">[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-2.PNG|6 March 2007 email, page 2]]</ref> Because of this, Chris did not know he had a niece via David, named [[Savannah Chandler|Savannah]], until she was 8 years old,<ref>[[CWC's Diary#January 2004]]</ref> and Bob's relationship with Carol was even more distant. According to Chris, Bob was always concerned about Carol. None of the Chandlers knew what was going on with her, and the last they had heard was that she was working for the federal government, implying that she did not show up to her father's funeral.<ref>[[:File:Savannah_chandler3.png]]</ref> David, on the other hand, did attend his father's funeral.<ref>[[:File:Savannah_chandler.png]]</ref>

===Barbara===

[[Image:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg|thumb|With [[Barbara Chandler|Barb]].]]

Bob and [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara]] met in 1979 at "Maddy's Pub" in Richmond<ref>[[April 2012 Facebook posts#Fear of the future]]</ref> (probably Matt's British Pub in Shockoe Slip, where Bob was a sing-along leader in the late 1970s).<ref name=godbear>[[It took a talking bear to give the name a young boy loves]]</ref> Barbara was there with a friend and Bob was singing.<ref name="Mumble 3.5">[[Mumble 3.5]]</ref> According to Chris, Bob claimed that Barbara did the [[How to Talk to Girls|pursuing]]: "She chased him down the hallway," though Barb has disputed this.<ref>[[The 24th Wedding Anniversary Special#Part 2]]</ref> This version of events may be why Chris figured that he could get away with being passive in terms of courtship. In contrast, [[Cole Smithey|Cole]]'s friend Chuck McGuigan, who worked at the pub as a bartender, has a vivid memory of them, "...acting out as a couple of drunken losers."<ref name="Cole2" />

They got married in 1980,<ref name="Mumble 3.5" /> only months after Bob and Patricia had divorced.<ref>[[:File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg]]</ref> Barb later told Chris that she ultimately married Bob because, "...he owned [[14 Branchland Court|a house]]."<ref>[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]</ref>

According to Chris, Barb and Bob did not have sex for at least two decades before Bob's passing. They had been sleeping in separate rooms in the years leading up to his death.<ref>[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]</ref>

===Cole===
Bob married Barbara when her son [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] was nearly 17, around the time Cole left to lead his own life.

Cole feels that Bob's bitterness ruined the relationship between himself and his mother. Cole said he would celebrate<ref name="Cole2"/> "...when that fuck Bob finally drops,"<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-3.PNG|Email from Cole to Chris]]</ref> but it is unknown if he did so. Cole said that he and Bob shared a mutual hatred,<ref name="Cole2" /> though there isn't any proof that Bob hated Cole. At the least, it is certain that Bob knew Cole didn't like him.<ref name = "Meet" />

===Chris===

{{see also|Bob's Letters to Chris}}

{{quote|Get away from the Internet! I'm cutting it down, right now.|Bob Chandler, Internet lumberjack.}}

[[File:Dreaming studio.png|thumb|Dreaming studio of Mr. C and Little C. Where dreams do come true - 1989.]]

Bob's relationship with Chris was rather complex. While Bob was considered to be a better parent than his wife [[Barb]], he was by no means the good ol' pop-pop Chandler many thought he was. While Bob at least tried to help Chris, his attempts at doing so were either futile, misguided or even harmful to Chris in the long term.

When Chris was a boy, Bob encouraged him to learn more about the world and tried sharing his interests and hobbies, including engineering, geography and [[Stamps|stamp collecting]].

When Chris was seven, Bob converted a shed in the backyard of [[14 Branchland Court]] to a workshop where he and Chris could build things together, dubbing it the "dreaming studio." Chris could not recall what they had built together when asked about it in the years following Bob's death;<ref>[[IRL Tour of 14 Branchland Court]]</ref> he and Barb had been using the space for hoard storage.

Bob wished that Chris was more interested in the world. He tried to teach Chris about foreign geography such as [[Julie|Europe]] and [[PandaHalo|Australia]], but figured (correctly) that Chris doesn't understand countries and continents beyond what he's seen on [[television]], and can only associate with the places he's physically been to in Virginia.<ref name="PSN 37" />

Bob had difficulties understanding Chris's [[Autism]] and vehemently refused to get Chris the help he needed, likely out of fear driven inertia that is typical for people of his age and generation. In fact, he fought tooth and nail for years to keep Chris from getting the special education he needed to cope with the real world. It was the very reason why Bob rented a second home in a Chesterfield County so Chris couldn't attend special classes that Greene County recommended. Bob was most likely under the impression, that Chris would be thrown into a lunatic asylum, lobotomized and that Chris needs to be sheltered all his life because of it, never mind his autistic [[Savannah|granddaughter]], who lives a relatively normal life.

When Chris entered [[Manchester High]], Bob arranged for [[Gal pal|a bunch of girls]] to babysit and pretend to be friends with Chris. He gave Chris money to hand it to at least one gal pal, claiming it was for her Friendship and Attention.

Bob enjoyed collecting stamps as a boy growing up in the 1930s, and he continued to do so for several decades, with a focus on the United Nations and foreign countries,<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> building a collection of stamp albums which filled six boxes.<ref>[[I'm selling my father's stamp collection; come on down and buy some of it]]</ref> He taught Chris about his hobby, buying him a beginner's stamp album in 1992.<ref>[[eBay#Chris's stamp album]]</ref> Chris seemed to enjoy the hobby as well, since he had many pages of stamps filled in. In [[Bob's Letters to Chris|letters]] to Chris (written when Chris was a few years old), Bob gave Chris permission to pass along his various collections onto others after inheriting them. In 2017, Chris began selling pieces of the inherited stamp collection. Bob's pieces were decently priced, generally for $5 per set, though he tried to sell his own personal stamp album for $1,000.<ref>[[eBay]] - see listings for their stamp collections.</ref>

Bob's racist joke that [[Barack Obama]] would paint the White House black as soon as he became president influenced Chris to draw it in [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]].

Chris's phobia of [[Pickle|penises]] was apparently sparked from barging into his parents' room, where Bob had a habit of sleeping nude from the waist down.<ref>[[February 2020 social media posts#On seeing his father's penis]]</ref>

Chris has often complained about stressful confrontations with his father:

{{quote|well, my father is a major stressor against me; starts arguements [sic], annoys me, [[Chris and health#hygiene|rarely washes his hands after restroom breaks]] (lord knows I've tried to encourage him to wash numerous time, and rarely succeeded).|Chris, [[IRC (31 December 2008)]]}}

However, the many instances of Bob communicating with trolls show that he was generally pleasant and amicable, not at all inclined to start arguments, as Chris asserts. As seen during the lead up to the fateful encounter between [[Emily]], Chris and the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], Bob seemed to be more than happy to discuss stories with people, even those he hadn't seen or heard that much of - [[Robert Simmons V]], who met Bob during his [[Church audio|visit to Chris's church]] conversed with him extensively, later saying that he was a 'really pleasant guy.' Bob also engaged in friendly and interesting conversation with [[ThePCAssassins]] many times through [[2010]] and [[2011]], further disproving Chris's belief. The antagonism to which Chris refers was likely Bob attempting to constructively criticize Chris in order to better him, as Chris deeply resents being told what he does not want to hear.
[[File:Bob drawing Nov. '15.jpg|thumb|200px|left|A drawing of Bob by Chris, released in [[November 2015]].]]

An example of this criticism was Bob telling Chris that, since Bob had looked after Chris for 29 years despite his childish and outrageous behavior, Chris should show more gratitude towards him. Chris was completely dismissive, figuring that his father was ''obligated'' to take care of him, and seeing no reason as to why he should demonstrate any foreign concepts like "love," "support," "gratitude," and "willingness to help." Reinforcing Bob's point, Chris still ran for his father's aid when he felt threatened, as in the later parts of the [[Kacey and Liquid Call]].

Despite Bob's occasional [[Mumble 1|frustration]] over Chris's actions, he seemed to have bought into the theory that Chris is tormented by a [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|complex network of enemies spanning the entire world]], due to the success that he has earned from his own Sonichu franchise.<ref name="Church">[[Church audio]]</ref><ref name="Noble">[[Matthew Noble call]]</ref> In the [[Matthew Noble call]], it appeared that Bob was the source of Chris's tendency to bring up unrelated mishaps and debacles to make current incidents and sources of [[stress]] seem "petty" in comparison.

[[Image:0106-ChristianWDad.jpg|thumb|Bob and a younger Christian. Note Chris's "Family Bonding" shirt.]]
Once during a phone call with a troll, Bob stated that Chris was [[Chris and anger|"a hell of a lot nicer"]] and "has done a lot better than" the troll calling him.<ref name="Prank">[[Prank calls#Snake Productions Calls Bob Chandler]]</ref>

After Chris got his now obsolete [[CADD]] degree, instead of telling Chris to get to work like any other parent would, he encouraged Chris to stay home just so he could continue to get his taxpayer-funded [[tugboat]].

He never seemed to get past the notion that Chris could and had already achieved things, given that he continued to have to nursemaid Chris well into his son's late 20s. In the later parts of 2009 and throughout 2010, as chronicled in Chris's emails with [[Vivian Gee E-mails, 2009|Vivian Gee]] and [[Jackie E-mails 7|Jackie]], Bob had been forced to take an increasingly active role in controlling Chris's spending and debt, paying off Chris's credit cards with his own money in an attempt to prevent interest charges from spiraling even further out of control. By the fall of 2010, he was monitoring Chris's bank accounts on a daily basis and keeping him on a strict allowance. Upon finding out about Chris's [[Tomgirl Pictures|escapades]] in early 2011, Bob's reaction was to question Chris's sexuality, at one point even calling him a "fag", even though he indirectly contributed to it through his unbalanced approach of socializing Chris.

Chris has said specifically that he doesn't have to love his father, but has to respect him.<ref>[[Mumble 1#Transcript|Mumble Chat 1]]</ref> Confidential details collected after Bob's death, however, suggests Chris was more emotionally attached than he let on, providing rare and precious evidence that Chris doesn't take the presence of others for granted. He also got genuinely emotional while reading a letter that his father had left for him on-camera, again indicating how much he misses his father.<ref>[[CLog 09042017 - Mister C]]</ref>

In [[December 2012]], Chris uploaded the soundtrack from the [[WTJU Marathon|1990 WTJU Jazz Marathon]], in which Bob was a performer and a host. It was notable as one of the few moments where Chris publicly honored his father's memory since his passing in [[September 2011]].

Bob lives on in his son's memory. Chris noted the occasion of his father's passing by attaching angel wings to the [[Lego]] minifigure representing him,<ref>Seen at 4:24 in [[CWC Lego Manchester High School Oct 18 2013]]</ref> and displaying two photos of him in front of his TV.<ref>[[:File:Totem2ebay.jpeg]]</ref> He often sees Bob in his [[dreams]].<ref>[[March 2012 Facebook Posts#Still Feeling Lonely II|March 2012 Facebook Posts]]</ref><ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing|OkCupid Answers]]</ref>

Due to the influence of the [[Idea Guys]], Chris later expressed beliefs that Bob is half-Sonichu and is apparently still alive in the [[CWCville]] dimension. These beliefs began around December 2017 and continued even after the Idea Guys had been removed from power, as shown by the below quote from 2018's Father's Day.

{{quotebox|[[File:Father's Day 2018.jpg|200px|thumb]]

<nowiki>#HappyFathersDay</nowiki> to each and every Father in This World and in Every Single Other Dimension Too! My father is alive again! I still love him, even in his checker-patterned glory! ⚡️💙❤️⚡️<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191211070743/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/1008449921387778048</ref>}}

In the [[Incest Call]], Chris claimed he was better at [[Affair with Mother|pleasuring]] [[Barb]] than his own father. One can only imagine Bob's reaction to this news if he were still alive to bear witness to what his son has become.

Despite his best efforts to the contrary, Chris, his second chance at being a father, was Bob's greatest failure as a parent, even when factoring in his strained relationship with his other children.

===Other relationships===
In spite of his redneck background, Bob seems to have gotten along better with foreigners than with his own countrymen. His closest friend in Richmond was Reverend Chen of Korean Canaan Presbyterian Church,<ref>[[Date with Emily#Eating spaghetti and conversing (0:36:49–0:44:46)]]</ref> and he had English friends through his involvement with Matt's British Pub.<ref name=godbear></ref> He also had friends in Australia,<ref>BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7</ref> and Czechoslovakian friends in late 1970s, who were illegal immigrants escaping Czechoslovakia. Chris said Bob and Barb enjoyed conversing and drinking {{w|Slivovitz}} with them and that Bob would drive to Maryland to buy Slivovitz.<ref>[[Regina_e-mails#Random-access_humor_demonstration]]</ref>

From his father's second marriage, Bob had, "...a large number of half-brothers and sisters in... [[wikipedia:Winston-Salem, North Carolina|Salem, North Carolina]],"<ref>[[Bob's Letters to Chris]]</ref> but he does not seem to have been very close with them. Bob's stepmother's obituary confirms that eight of these half-siblings were alive as of 2015.<ref>https://www.hufffuneralhome.com/obituary/Dorothy-Chandler</ref>

[[Prank calls#Call Bobby Chandler|Contrary to popular beliefs]], he did not have friends in the Ku Klux Klan.

==Later life, poor health and death==
{{See also|Death of Bob Chandler}}
[[File:Bob playbill for musical push cart.jpg|thumb|200px|Playbill for Mr. C. and his musical pushcart.]]

Bob lived on Social Security as well as his General Electric pension.<ref name = "Retired Life" /> He never really had people to chat with at home (he would ramble to [[Trolls|total strangers]] on the phone if he could), so he sat around, listened to music, and took care of the garden inside the greenhouse.<ref name="PSN 37" /> With a 1970s stereo system set up in the greenhouse, he went to 'swing with the music' on his swing there.<ref name="Retired Life" />

Bob had two triple bypasses and four heart attacks. The two triple-bypass operations took place first in August 1980 and at last in 1992. He had {{w|Coronary artery disease}} and wore an {{w|Artificial cardiac pacemaker|artificial pacemaker}}.<ref>[[Autism papers#FAMILY_HISTORY:]]</ref><ref>[[Mumble 3]]</ref> He apparently had several vivid near-death experiences: during [[Date with Emily#Bob's health problems (0:24:23–0:25:29)|Chris's date with]] [[Emily]], Bob tells her that he has "died" several times, and Chris says that Bob, "...has seen the light, but did not actually go to it." In one prank call, Bob revealed that after surgery for cancer it was discovered that he had a fluid build-up in his legs, which is symptomatic of CHF. This rapid decline in health worried him.<ref name="Prank calls"/> He attributed his long life to the [[Cherokee]] in him. His uncles and grandfather all lived past 90.<ref name="PSN 37" /> Despite his heart troubles he continued to eat at [[Burger King]] daily.<ref>[[Prank calls#Calls to Bob and Chris]]</ref><ref>[[Trollin Train#Hey, guys (Sun 22 Aug 2010)]]</ref>

On 1 [[March 2010]], Chris [[Twitter|tweeted]] that Bob had been taken to the hospital in the early morning for "congested [sic] {{w|heart failure}}". Chris seemed confident that his father was not in for a long stay. Considering Bob's age, lifestyle, and long history of heart disease, [[Chris and death|Chris did not seem to grasp the seriousness of his heart failure]]. Bob had been the only thing keeping [[14 Branchland Court|the Chandler household]] from imploding, and as such, trolls and [[White-Knighting|white knights]] alike wished him the very best.

[[Image:Bobbed.jpg|thumb|Apart from the dying heart]]

In the month following Bob's hospitalization, Chris was remarkably quiet on the subject of his father. News about his condition was hard to come by, as information only arose [[Chris and his Ego|when Chris was inclined to complain about it online]]. Statistically, congestive heart failure is not as immediately fatal as its name implies,<ref>[https://web.archive.org/web/20201210121845/https://www.healthline.com/health/chf-life-expectancy]</ref> but Bob's age, prior heart attacks and [[Tour of Chris's House|lifestyle]] made this a very serious situation.

Chris's videos over the month of March made no mention of Bob at all. Staying true to his painfully predictable nature, Chris instead lost a [[The Wallflower|girlfriend he never had]], [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|made racial slurs and death threats towards a cartoon character]], and [[F Abstinance|raged against abstinence]]. His silence on the subject of his father was probably because of [[Naïve|genuine ignorance]] of the seriousness of his father's condition.

A poster on [[/cwc/]] contacted Chris via PSN regarding Bob. He posted a screen capture of Chris's response, saying, "He is doing much better, thank you."<ref>[[:File:Bobbetter.jpg]]</ref> Another contacted Chris via email and got a response saying, "Yes, my father is healthy and safe." Clearly he was neither, but this was at least proof that Bob hadn't joined the Whites-Only section of Heaven just yet. In late May, Chris finally made [[Some Favored Comedians|a brief mention]] in a public video that his father was "alive and well". Chris was, at least, half right.

==Appearances==

===In ''Sonichu''===
{{quote|Christian, you are not a girl! Go put your pants back on.|Bob, ''Sonichu'' #12}}

[[File:Chandlers & Sonichus.jpg|200px|thumb]]

In [[Sonichu 8#Spring Break, 2008!|"Spring Break, 2008"]], a radio announcement from [[Jamsta Sonichu]] mentions that Bob founded [[CWCville]] in 1982, presumably after Chris's birth on [[Chris's birthday|24 February]] given that Bob named the city after his newborn son. Comic Bob presumably served as mayor before Chris took the office at an unknown date. At other points, Bob was mentioned in Chris's tangents about hating men other than himself and his father.

In [[Sonichu 9#Episode 19|"Date Ed"]], there are two dolls for the class to practice talking to, girls received "Robert" dolls, while boys received "Barbara" dolls, an obvious reference/homage to Bob and Barb.

Bob made his first official appearance in [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], photoshopped into a "family photo" alongside Chris, Barb and various [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]].

[[File:Borb, Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]

[[File:Bob,Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb|right]]

In [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]], Bob appears in a set of pages that combine an autobiographical account of Chris coming out as a [[tomgirl]] to his parents, and a tribute to his late father. He is depicted as an elderly man, as the page took place in 2010 (due to Chris's [[Oedipus complex]], Barb is depicted as much more youthful). He attempts to dissuade Chris from continuing his tomgirl lifestyle, although Chris states that Bob later, "...told me he accepts and love ''[sic]'' me for who I am," shortly before his passing in 2011.

Chris concludes Bob's appearance in the book with a photo in memoriam of his life, saying that he and Barb continue to miss him every day.

[[File:Chandler family as ponies.png|200px|thumb|left|Bob, pictured at right, as ''Gallop Crush'', in a [[MLP]]-inspired drawing from [[August 2017]].]]

In August 2017, Chris unveiled a drawing of the Chandler family depicted as [[My Little Pony]] characters, saying that they will make further appearances in [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]]. The ponified Bob, known as "Gallop Crush", appears as [[Night Star]]'s father, reaffirming the self-insert nature of Chris's ponysona.

In the [[Idea Guy]]-written [[Sonichu 16|''Sonichu'' #16]], Bob's spirit crosses over into CWCville where he meets and strikes up a conversation with serial killer [[Ted Bundy]].

{{Mayors of CWCville}}

===As a toy===

<center><gallery>
File:BobAmiibo.jpg|[[Amiibo]] Bob, which Chris offered for sale on [[Etsy]] in [[November 2015]]. Oh yes.
File:ChrisFamilyEtsyC.jpg|Promo drawing
</gallery></center>

===Audio and video===

In every appearance, Bob has proven himself to be better at charming Chris's [[sweetheart]]s than Chris himself (not a difficult feat, to be fair).

* [[1990]]: Bob appeared as the DJ to the [[WTJU Marathon]].
* 26 February [[1994]]: Bob appears briefly behind Chris from 0:26-0:36 in the news report of the [[Chris in the media|Sonic Watch & Win Sweepstakes]].
*[[Christmas|25 December]] [[2004]]: Bob makes multiple physical appearences in [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004]], where he appears remarkably depressed.
* 14 [[February 2009]]: [[Bob Walks In]] to Chris [[mass debating]] in the [[kitchen]].
* 18 [[February 2009]]: In [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.5]] and [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7|3.7]], Bob rambles to [[Julie]].
* 15 [[March 2009]]: Bob [[Church Visit|talked]] to [[Robert Simmons V]] at [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]] while [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|Chris went to shit himself]].
* [[March 2009]]: Bob chaperoned Chris on his date with [[Emily]].
* 27 [[March 2009]]: Bob gets intruded by Chris in the [[Tour of Christian's House]], but is not visible.
* 27 [[August 2009]]: [[THAT IS MY HOUSE|Bob enters Chris's room]] and scolds him for making the house tour, (correctly) fearing that if someone saw the house as it was, they would be evicted (Uncut version only). This is a momentous occasion, showing some awareness on the part of the Chandlers that the filth and squalor they live in is a health hazard. This video subsequently off a wave of emails and calls to the Greene County Health Department, masterminded by trolls who hoped to realize Bob's fear of eviction, but the campaign was seemingly unsuccessful.
* [[November 2009]]: Bob and [[Barb|Snorlax]] make a brief appearance at the end of the [[Kacey and Liquid Call]].
* 15 [[August 2010]]: In his final outing on the damn Internet, Bob gets a [[Matthew Noble call|call from the GAMe PLACe]] and is informed of Chris's actions earlier in the year. He then goes on a tangent about how Chris has been tormented by everyone ever since he was banned, and then demands Michael Snyder's information. Barbara also is audible at the end of the call.
* [[Prank calls]]: Bob answered several of these. He was usually sincere when talking with prank callers, providing them with true and honest information about himself and Chris, but was occasionally pushed to trolling them back, on one occasion telling a particularly obnoxious pair of trolls that he had ties to the Ku Klux Klan.

==Gallery==
<center>
<gallery>
File:Bob1946Auburn.jpg|Bob's Auburn freshman yearbook photo, taken for the 1946 yearbook.
File:BobJax1950.PNG|Bob's 1950 Jacksonville State Teachers College sophomore yearbook photo.
File:Bobauburn1951.PNG|Bob's 1951 Auburn junior yearbook photo.
File:Bobauburn1952.PNG|Bob's Auburn senior yearbook photo.
File:WW2BobChandler(badquality).jpg|Bob's 1946 U.S. Army draftee (written in 1945).
File:Bob1946WW2DraftCardPhysicalDetail.png|Bob's 1946 Draft card on a physical detail (written in 1945).
File:BobPatMarriage.png|Bob and Patricia's newspaper engagement.
File:1956 9 25 - Bob, Patricia marriage license.png|1956 9 25 - Bob, Patricia marriage license.
File:1980 1 28 - Bob, Patricia divorce.png|1980 1 28 - Bob, Patricia divorce.
File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg|1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.
File:Bob and his parents - 1930s census.png|Bob and his parents - 1930s census.
File:Bob and his parents - 1940s census.png|Bob and his parents - 1940s census.
File:Bob1950Census.jpg|Bob in the Jacksonville State Teachers University's dormitory room - 1950s census.
File:Bob's birth certificate.png|Bob's birth certificate.
File:Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.png|Chris's family tree up to his great-great-grandparents.
File:RobertChandler1960s.png|Bob in the late 1960s/early 1970s
Image:0009-ChristopherChristmas2.jpg|Christmas at the Chandlers, taken sometime during the 1980s.
Image:0011-ChristopherBobXmas.jpg|That isn't Chris's half-senile old grandfather at [[Christmas]] time. It's Bob. He was that age when Chris was about one.
File:0012-BobbyReading.jpg
File:0033-MommasBirthday.jpg
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Image:0032-BobAtRestraunt.jpg|
File:1993family.png|Barb, Chris and Bob in [[1993]]
Image:0038-AuntCorinaAndDad.jpg|Bob with [[Aunt Corrina]].
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File:Bob1997article1.png|Bob's short brief article from Richmond Times-Dispatch in July 1997.
File:Bob1997article2.png|Bob's short brief article from Richmond Times-Dispatch in August 1997.
Image:0626-BobbyInGarden.jpg|Bob used to enjoy gardening back in the day.
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File:2002 BrickFest7.jpg|Bob with Chris at [[BrickFest]] [[2001]].
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File:0612-DaddyIs75.jpg|75th birthday.
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File:Robert Chandler, 19 June 2016 Facebook post photo.jpg|Last known photo.
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* [https://web.archive.org/web/20201210122203/https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/141038783/robert-franklin-chandler Bob Chandler at Find a Grave]

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Speaking Akashic

2025-09-29T11:39:23Z

Cottonmather: /* Transcript */

{{quote|Everything is up for interpretation, and only those who are authentically psychic, spiritual vastly connected and metaphysical can translate it so. And once it is spoken, it is erased from the speaker's conscious memory, like an obscure [[dream]]'s details.

[[Autism#Chris on Neurotypicality|Not many neurotypical individuals can get it]].|[[September 2025 social media posts#Why Chris is just playing with toys instead of teaching us about the Merge|Chris, shortly after posting the video]].}}

'''Speaking Akashic''' is a video uploaded to Chris's [[YouTube]] channel on 24 [[September 2025]]. It consists entirely of Chris babbling in incomprehensible spiritual nonsense (for a change). According to Chris, this gibberish is actually the "[[Akashic Records|Akashic]]" language, a supposed lost language that he started to believe he could speak [[Jail Saga|when he went to jail]]. The speech could be described as a form of [[wikipedia:glossolalia|glossolalia]].

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Speaking Akashic
| video = {{#ev:youtube|ZmQPyTJ-z9c}}
| stardate = 24 [[September 2025]]
| subject = {{Other|[[Akashic]]}}, {{Reality|text}}
| style = {{Crazy|text}}
| Saga = {{Revelations|text}}
| previous = [[Punicrackde- V Supplement/Outtake Plus Unedited Ending]]
| next = [[Light Powered Cwclight Reviews - Tork]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|This was me feeling fatigued, but I was really connected and spoke verbally in the moment. Any authentic, vastly connected and powerful psychic, spiritual, metaphysical individual can translate or understand it.}}

==Transcript==
[''Chris is sitting in his room. His green screen is enabled and is set to an image of the [[October 2023 social media posts#Roman Colosseum|Royal Albert Hall]]. Chris [[Creepy stare|stares]] into the camera and begins to talk, slurring his words in an exaggerated manner.'']

Okay, to anybody that gets this... At this moment, I have been without caffeine the entire day and my brain is very... very much connected with [[CWC Update 9 April 2009|the cosmos]] and everything. You look into my eye, into my pupil. As you can see, they're small. And essentially, [''Chris speaks in gibberish for about 108 seconds before briefly making a loud humming noise, then uttering one last gibberish remark before ending the video.'']

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Flutter

2025-08-14T08:26:19Z

Cottonmather: /* Sightings */

{{Unreliable|type=misinfo|status=fixed}}
{{Imposter}}
{{ongoing}}
{{protip|Should you encounter Flutter in public (with or without Chris) do NOT harass her. Getting a discreet picture is fine if you're able to, but don't directly interact with her or Chris. [[Michael Hirtes|Once you]] [[Jacob Sockness|make yourself]] [[Idea Guys|a part]] [[Watchmen|of Christory]], [[DoopieDoOver|there is]] [[Fiona Cooper|no escaping]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|from it]].}}
{{Misinfo|It has not been confirmed that Flutter is dating Chris, or if she has a romantic relationship with him.|includegossip = yes}}

{{quote|She's a friend of mine, and I refer to her only as Flutter, because she likes [[Fluttershy]], okay? I met her in [[Lynchburg, VA|Lynchburg]], she got in touch with me while I was in jail, and we managed to meet, we managed to bond and connect with each other as friends. And she is literally thirty years old, despite the way - despite her physicality.|Chris's description of Flutter<ref name=setting>[[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
| title = Flutter
| name = Unknown
| image = CWC Flutter Sighting by BlockedByDaylight 1.mp400002.png
| aliases = Flutter Egg Meryl Food Lion Lady Cabbage Patch Kid 
| knownfor = {{•}} Appearing side-by-side with Chris in numerous post-jail sightings.
| saga = {{saga|jail|cn}}, '''[[Template:ThirdExile|Third Exile]]''', '''[[Template:RevelationsSaga|Revelations]]'''
}}

'''Flutter''' (born 1992 or 1993) is the nickname [[Chris]] gave to a [[gal-pal|female friend]] of his. Flutter reached out to Chris at some point during his time in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]]. Sometime after Chris was released in [[March 2023]], he met up with her in the city of {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia}}, and they began hanging out together.<ref name=setting></ref> Chris has referred to her simply as a friend, suggesting that their relationship is not romantic, although he does not explicitly deny having romantic feelings for her either. Chris also claims that she is thirty years old (as of 17 [[October 2023]]), despite her [[Pedofork|childlike appearance]]. The nickname "Flutter" comes from her fondness for the ''[[My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic]]'' character Fluttershy.

After Chris's release from jail, he was frequently [[Post-jail sightings|photographed]] by people who managed to spot him in public. In [[September 2023]], he was spotted with Flutter for the first time. On the 17th, she was spotted allegedly [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#CVS|making out with Chris at a CVS]], causing many people to believe she was his girlfriend. [[Otaku King]] also claimed that the two of them were a couple. In [[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021]], however, Chris simply refers to her as a friend. Some observers have speculated that Flutter may be Finnish or of Finnish descent, noting that Chris began studying Finnish intensively on [[Duolingo]] since [[October 2023]] for no apparent reason.<ref>[[:File:Duolingo stats 23Nov2023 2.png]]</ref> This theory was bolstered by sightings of Chris and Flutter in [[Finland]]. A Reddit user who saw Flutter claims that she did not have an accent.<ref name=isabellas>[[Post-jail sightings (2023)#Isabella's Italian Trattoria Restaurant]]</ref> Another Redditor claims that she spoke in a fake anime girl voice.<ref name=animegirl>[[Sightings (2024)#Walmart Part II (July)]]</ref>

Flutter's identity and motives remain one of the more mysterious aspects of modern Christory. With both Chris and Flutter herself seemingly unwilling to divulge any information about her, as well as a lack of any known social media presence, most discussion regarding her has been purely speculative. This has allowed for the proliferation of numerous theories and rumors. Theories ranged from things such as Flutter being underage due to her youthful and diminutive appearance, being a recruit from [[Praetor]] meant to keep Chris in check, being an obscure Finnish lolcow mostly unknown to Chris's primarily North American follower base, to even the possibility of being impregnated by Chris. Time will tell as to whether or not any of these questions end up being answered, but for now, Chris seems content maintaining his silence on the matter.

==Sightings==
{{Main|Sightings (2023)|Sightings (2024)|Sightings (2025)}}
Flutter is most well-known for appearing many times with Chris following his release from jail, which is particularly notable due to his substantially decreased online prescence.

*On 4 [[September 2023]], Chris was spotted talking with Flutter at a Coinstar machine at a Food Lion supermarket. This was the first time she was sighted, and earned her the nickname "Food Lion Lady."<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Food_Lion]]</ref>

*On 9 September 2023, a [[ween]] stalked Chris in his car. Reportedly, Flutter was in the car with Chris, and the ween remarked that she looked like a child.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Sheetz/On_the_road_Part_II]]</ref>

*On 16 September 2023, she was spotted with Chris at [[Walmart]]. This was the first clear view of her face.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Walmart_(September)]]</ref>

*On 17 September 2023, Chris was allegedly sighted hugging, touching, and ''kissing'' Flutter at a CVS.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#CVS]]</ref>

*On the 20th, the sighter posted two ''incredibly'' blurry pictures of Chris hugging and kissing her. While Chris is easy to see, Flutter is incredibly hard to see. The sighter also made multiple comments about her.

:{{quotebox|[Chris] was all over that woman. Just kept touching her and had her hand on the back almost the whole time. She doesn’t look young.}}
:{{quotebox|She 100 percent looked uncomfortable.}}
:{{quotebox|She seemed uncomfortable and kept her head down mostly. I can’t say whether she was just uncomfortable or if she was low functioning.}}
:{{quotebox|Seemed like he was kind of leading the shopping trip. He also was very close to her at all times. Co-Worker asked if they needed help Chris made sure to step so that he was :between my Co-Worker and the girl.}}
:{{quotebox|She paid.}}

:These comments have yet to be confirmed as fact.

*On 19 September 2023, Chris supposedly walked into a game store with her.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Undisclosed_parking_lot]]</ref>

*On 1 [[October 2023]], Chris was spotted showing something on his device to her at {{w|River Ridge Mall}}. This was the clearest view of her face yet [[Sightings (2025)#Pet & Aquatic Warehouse|until another photoshoot on Valentine's Day of 2025]].<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#River_Ridge_Mall]]</ref>

*On 3 October 2023, Flutter was seen waiting in a car while Chris was shopping at Game Junkies.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Game_Junkies]]</ref>

*On 20 [[December 2023]], around 7:30 PM, a video of her was taken at the Richmond International Airport. Her origin flight was from the Charlotte Douglas International Airport, but the starting destination is unknown.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Richmond_International_Airport]]</ref> Later that day, she was also spotted at a Sheetz in Henrico, VA, and afterwards driven away by Chris.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Sheetz_(December)]]</ref>

*On 21 December 2023, Flutter and Chris were spotted at [[Bella|Isabella]]'s Italian Trattoria Restaurant in Lynchburg. Reddit user JacksonStarship speculated that Flutter paid for the meal, also noting that Chris "ate [[SpaghettiRoutine|spaghetti]] like a toddler." The user also reported that Chris hand-fed dessert to Flutter. JacksonStarship stated that Flutter did not appear mentally handicapped, nor did she appear an exceptionally young age. On several occasions she would keep Chris in check, stopping him from escalating situations. They were last seen walking away together in the parking lot.<ref name=isabellas></ref>

*On 4 [[January 2024]], Chris and Flutter were photographed at Ultimate Comics in Cary, North Carolina while picking up tickets for the [[Animate! Raleigh]] convention.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Cary, North Carolina]]</ref> They were seen in attendance together on 5 January 2024, with Flutter wearing a face mask. On 6 January 2024, Chris and Flutter were seen outside of the Animate! convention, reportedly having been kicked out.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Raleigh Convention Center]]</ref>

*On 23 [[March 2024]], Chris was spotted with Flutter at TJ Maxx in Lynchburg, VA, disproving rumors about her staying away from him due to the aftermath of Animate! Raleigh.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#TJ Maxx]]</ref>

:Chris also had plans to go to [[BABSCon]] 2024 with her, but his two tickets were refunded due to the event staff being aware of his status on the internet. This is hinted at in his reply to BABSCon's email:<ref>[[BABSCon E-mails]]</ref>
{{quotebox|I was looking for an enjoyable, peaceful weekend with my friend that would have been more than very good and beneficial. But no, you dare deny us this simple pleasure as Pegasisters of the Brony Community.}}

*On 4 [[April 2024]], Chris and Flutter were both spotted at the Arabia Shopping Centre in Helsinki, [[Finland]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Arabia Shopping Centre, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

*On 30 [[April 2024]], Chris and Flutter were unwittingly recorded in the background of a YouTube video, holding hands while walking together at {{w|Linnanmäki|Linnanmäki}} in Helsinki, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Linnanmäki, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref>

*On 29 [[June 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted at River Ridge Mall, where they ate at Chick-fil-A and went to see a movie.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (June)]]</ref> A few days later, on 5 [[July 2024|July]], they were seen together at a Walmart in Lynchburg.<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Walmart (July)]]</ref> A week later, they were again seen shopping in Walmart, and the Reddit user watching them claimed that Flutter was speaking in a fake anime girl voice and that Chris was telling her how to bag food properly.<ref name=animegirl></ref> A few days later on July 16, they were spotted on the road driving towards Charlottesville, with Flutter sitting in the backseat.<ref>[[Sightings_(2024)#On_the_road]]</ref>

*On 13 [[August 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted at River Ridge Mall and about a week later, they were spotted again, this time in Roanoke at {{w|Valley View Mall (Virginia)|Valley View Mall}}. The observers photographed them several times and even secretly recorded a video of them approaching and talking to Chris, with Flutter being behind Chris being silent and leaves without her face being shown on the video. However, two days later, one of the observers posted another photo of them from the same sighting, which marked the first time Flutter's face had been photographed since [[October 2023]].

*On 22 [[August 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted and photographed at a Goodwill in Lynchburg.<ref>[[Sightings_(2024)#Goodwill]]</ref>

*On 28 [[September 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted walking in the {{w|Mall of Tripla|Mall of Tripla}} in Helsinki, [[Finland]].<ref>[[Sightings (2024)#Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland]]</ref> The observer recorded a brief clip of them walking together.

*On 17 [[December 2024]], Chris and Flutter were seen at Redi in Kalasatama, Helsinki, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings_(2024)#Redi,_Kalasatama,_Helsinki,_Finland]]</ref>

*On 14 [[February 2025]], Chris and Flutter were spotted browsing in a pet store.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Pet & Aquatic Warehouse]]</ref>

*On 17 [[April 2025]], Chris and Flutter were spotted eating at Arnold's in Helsinki, Finland.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Arnold's,_Helsinki,_Finland]]</ref>

*On 23 [[July 2025]], Chris and Flutter were seen shopping at Rauma International Market in Finland.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Rauma_International_Market,_Rauma,_Finland]]</ref>

*On 13 [[August 2025]], Chris and Flutter were spotted shopping at Walmart. This marked the first time a high-quality image of her face had ever been captured.<ref>[[Sightings_(2025)#Walmart_(August)]]</ref>

==Wariness==
Since late [[December 2023]], when Flutter returned to the spotlight, many people have joked about the inability of [[ween]]s to take a good photo of her. This has also led to speculation that she was trying to stay out of the spotlight of said weens to avoid harassment, especially when observers noted her self-awareness at some events that she went to with Chris.

The first strong signals of this came to light on [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Richmond International Airport|December 20]], where she was noted by an observer to wear a face mask in public:
{{quoteboxgreen|yes I was on her flight, I noticed her almost immediately but she wore a mask the whole time, It was subconscious so I didn't think much of it other than "huh she looks familiar," but while she was leaving the airport chris was waiting for her he embraced her and said her name out loud, I was on the phone and couldn't make out what he said.}}
When the said person approached them later, Chris was against him taking pictures of themselves. The same behavior repeated [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Isabella's_Italian_Trattoria_Restaurant|a day later]]:
{{quoteboxpurple|As they walked out Chris commented to a passing family “a family night, that’s nice” or something like that, and Egg had to pull him through the door. I asked Chris for a photo as he was walking out and he got PISSED. But I still shook Chris’ hand. Wish I could’ve gotten better photos but it was kind of a formal dinner.}}
He has also stated Flutter didn't seem to be mentally handicapped and took on a near [[Barbara Chandler|motherly role]] during the visit.
{{quoteboxpurple|Egg didn’t say a word to me, I passed their table at 2 points. She wasn’t noticeably mentally handicapped and seemed to be keeping Chris in check to some degree}}
During [[Animate! Raleigh]], Flutter was seen with all of her face covered up by a face mask, sunglasses and her hair. Observers also noted her obsessive self-awareness at the event.
{{quoteboxblue|I am legit annoyed that you people cannot be bothered to get one clear photo or video. How hard can it be?}}
{{quoteboxorange|Genuinely this has been more difficult than you’d imagine. Flutter appears to be quite vigilant and unwilling (obviously) to appear in anything, especially candids. With her proximity to Chris it is not surprising there is a lack of high def photos}}

{{quoteboxorange|i was legitimately right beside them on an escalator yesterday without realizing and genuinely she is so hard to see. she has such self awareness compared to chris it is insane}}

==Chris's Silence==
{{quote|That remains absolutely with no comment!|Chris, after being asked about Flutter and his Finland visits<ref>[[Waltah White Calls#Walt's call with cwc! 5/17/25]]</ref>}}

When he first spoke about her [[Setting the Record straight - there never was any sex involving me in 2021|shortly after returning to the Internet]], Chris only shared her nickname and the fact that she had reached out to him while he was [[Jail Saga|incarcerated]], and that they had met up in [[Lynchburg]] following his release. He did slip up when meeting her at Richmond International Airport in 2023, but fortunately for her, Chris's shouting of her name is indistinct [[Post-jail sightings (2023)#Richmond International Airport|in the audio recording]] that was taken by an observer.<ref>[[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Richmond_International_Airport]]</ref>

In a [[May 2025]] [[Walt's call with cwc! 2/17/25|call with a ween]], Chris was asked directly about Flutter and proceded to [[List of Chris's lies|lie]] about everything possibly related to her, including denying that he ever went to [[Finland]] with her or was learning Finnish on [[Duolingo]]. Instead he claimed Flutter lives in Philadelphia and is going to [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|college]] there, but was both unwilling and unable to provide any details when pressed further. He refused to give up her real name or even the first letter, even after being offered bribes of $50, $150 and purchases from his [[OfficialCWCmart|Etsy store]], stating simply, "Her name shall not be revealed."<ref>[[Walt's call with cwc! 2/17/25#Transcript]]</ref>

==Gallery==
===Sightings===
Below is a gallery of select photoshoots of Flutter with Chris.
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File:Foodlionflutter.png|At Food Lion.
File:Walmartflutter.png|At Walmart.
File:Flutter.png|At River Ridge Mall.
File:CaryNC4Jan2024.jpeg|[[Sightings (2024)#Cary,North Carolina|Cary, NC]].
File:Photos-from-earlier-today-v0-zrbilxihwqac1.jpg|[[Animate! Raleigh]].
File:Chris chan & flutter with security raleigh.jpeg|With the Raleigh convention security guards.
File:Chris-chan-kicked-out-of-animate-raleigh-v0-alm3dykgevac1 cropped.jpg|Denied entry into [[Animate! Raleigh]].
File:ChrisFlutterTJMaxx23March.png|[[Sightings (2024)#TJ Maxx|TJ Maxx in Lynchburg]].
File:Chris and Flutter at Linnanmäki 30 April 2024 (cropped screencap).jpg|[[Sightings (2024)#Linnanmäki, Helsinki, Finland|At Linnanmäki in Helsinki, Finland]].
File:Chris&FlutterRidgeRiverMallJune2024.jpeg|[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (June)|At River Ridge Mall]].
File:Walmart 5Jul2024 2 (cropped).jpg|In parking lot at Walmart.
File:Walmart 5Jul2024 3 (cropped).png|In line at Walmart.
File:Walmart 12Jul2024 1 (cropped).jpg|At Walmart meat section.
File:CWC Flutter 13Aug2024 2.jpg|[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|At River Ridge Mall]].
File:Cwcflutterface-aug2024.jpg|At Valley View Mall.
File:22 August 2024 Chris and Flutter at Goodwill2.png|At Goodwill.
File:Chris and Flutter at Mall of Tripla, Helsinki, Finland.mov00001.png|At Mall of Tripla in Helsinki, Finland.
File:14 February 2025 Chris and Flutter in pet store1.jpg|At Pet & Aquatic Warehouse.
File:Chris flutter rauma 2.jpg|[[Sightings (2025)#Rauma International Market, Rauma, Finland|Wearing matching outfits with Chris in Rauma, Finland]].
File:CWC Flutter Sighting by BlockedByDaylight 1.mp400001.png|Walmart, [[August 2025]]<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Walmart Sighting, August 2025]]</ref>
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===Other===
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File:FlutterMinecraftSkin.jpg|A [[Minecraft]] skin of Flutter seen in [[June_2024_livestreams#Christ_Chan_Live_Stream:_OG_Cwcville_(Cwcville)-60_Minecraft|a livestream]].
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==See Also==
*[[The Wallflower]] - A prior gal-pal that Chris attempted to keep under wraps.

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