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28 October 2011

2011-11-10T01:13:00Z

Drpepper: /* Fan Art */

{{recent}}
On '''28 October 2011''' - a date which will live in infamy - the [[GAMe PLACe]] was suddenly and deliberately attacked by forces of the City of [[CWCville]].

On that Friday evening, around 5:20 p.m.<ref>Based on metadata from Chris's photos</ref>, [[Chris]] and [[Barbara]] visited the GAMe PLACe and had an altercation with its [[manajerk|manager]], [[Michael Snyder]]. Chris took several photos of Michael on that day, and uploaded them to the [[CWCki]] in November. Why the delay? Well, as it turns out, he and Barb had been [[jerkop|arrested]] and jailed for various offenses (trespassing, assault, and hit & run). Now both have been charged with a Class 5 Felony, which implies "a '''term of imprisonment of not less than one year''' nor more than 10 years, and ... a fine of not more than $2,500."<ref>http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-10.HTM</ref>

Both Chris and Barb were released on bail following their arrest, with Chris's initial hearing being a week later than Barb's - possibly owing to the extra charge against him. It may also allow for additional information to be gathered about on his record of dealings with Michael Snyder and the GAMe PLACe, and also to consider any [[autism|medical grounds]] that may affect the outcome of any court proceedings against Chris. The Chandlers will be represented in court by [[Wikipedia:Robert B. Bell|Rob Bell]].

This is the first major event that has come to light since the death of [[Bob]] on 6 [[September 2011]].

== The charges ==
Below are the charges brought against both Barbara and Chris, along with details and court dates based on the details from the [http://epwsgdp1.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/captchaVerification.do?landing=landing General District Court Online Case Information System]. At present we do not have a full account of what happened during the incident and under what circumstances the charges were brought against the pair. However, based on at least one previous incident in [[June 2010]], we can assume a rough outline of events.

===Barbara's===
* '''FAIL STOP ACCIDENT > $1000 FEL''' (§ 46.2-894. Duty of driver to stop, etc., in event of accident involving injury or death or damage to attended property; penalty.<ref name="a">http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-894</ref>)
** Class 5 Felony charge - Failing to stop after an accident where the damage exceeds $1,000 in value, thought to be vehicular damage on the grounds of The GAMe PLACe parking lot.
* '''ASSLT: ON LAW ENF/DOC PERSON''' (§ 18.2-57. Assault and battery.<ref name="b">http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-57</ref>)
** Class 6 Felony charge - Assaulting a law enforcement official. It's likely that this occurred when Barb attempted to prevent the police from arresting Chris.

==== Court dates ====
* 31 October 2011 - Appeared in court to be formally charged.
* 15 December 2011 - Due to appear in court again, possibly for the hearing.

===Chris's===
* '''FAIL STOP ACCIDENT > $1000 FEL''' (§ 46.2-894. Duty of driver to stop, etc., in event of accident involving injury or death or damage to attended property; penalty.<ref name="a" />)
** Class 5 Felony charge - Failing to stop after an accident where the damage exceeds $1,000 in value, thought to be vehicular damage on the grounds of The GAMe PLACe parking lot.
* '''ASSAULT: (MISDEMEANOR)''' (§ 18.2-57. Assault and battery.<ref name="b" />)
** Class 1 Misdemeanor charge - Attempted or actual assault against another person, perhaps [[Michael Snyder|Snyder]].
* '''TRESPASS AFTER FORBIDDEN''' (§ 18.2-119. Trespass after having been forbidden to do so; penalties.<ref>http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-119</ref>)
** Class 1 Misdemeanor charge - Tresspassing on land or within an area from which the offender is forbidden, no doubt due to setting foot in The GAMe PLACe.

==== Court dates ====
* 7 November 2011 - Appeared in court to be formally charged.
* 15 December 2011 - Due to appear in court again, at the same time Barb is.

== Civil suit ==
Michael Snyder also filled a civil suit against both Chris and Barb on November 1, 2011, 4 days after the incident.
The reason for the lawsuit and what damages are being sought is currently unknown besides that it is related to the October 28th event.

== Aftermath ==
* On 4 November, soon after being bailed out of jail, Chris uploaded the pictures he took of Michael Snyder on the 28th to the CWCki, plastering them on the front page as well as Michael's own article, with Chris presumably doing it as a response to the events at The GAMe PLACe.<ref>[[Special:Contributions/Christianchandler]]</ref> In the respective image descriptions, Chris claimed that Snyder molests children and taunted him for his [[obesity]].

== Photos ==
<gallery>
File:HNI 0020.JPG|Chris's photo of The GAMe PLACe; note that everyone is looking at the camera
File:HNI 0021.JPG|Chris's photograph of Michael Snyder
File:HNI 0022.JPG|Chris's second photograph of Michael Snyder
File:28 Oct 2011 Barb1.png|Barb's failure to stop felony charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Barb2.png|Barb's felony assault on a police officer charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Chris1.png|Chris's failure to stop felony charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Chris2.png|Chris's misdemeanor assault charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Chris3.png|Chris's trespass misdemeanor charge
File:Christian_Chandler_Civil_Suit.png|Michael Snyder's civil suit against Chris
File:Barbara_Chandler_Civil_Suit.png|Michael Snyder's civil suit against Barbara
</gallery>

==Fan Art ==
<gallery>
File:Chris mug.jpg|Artist's depiction of Chris' mugshot.
File:Chris joker.jpg| Why so serious?
File:TheJoker.png|Oh dear...
File:Chris court sketch.png| Artist's impression of the proceedings.
</gallery>

==References==
<references />

== See also ==
*[[6 June 2010]]
*[[Chris and the Law]]

[[Category:Events]]

Talk:28 October 2011

2011-11-10T00:19:54Z

Drpepper: /* Removed the email */

{{Not A Forum}}
== Proposed article ==

This is my proposed solution to how we manage and collect information pertaining to the events of October 28th 2011.

To-do:
* Add categories
* Add more verifiable information
* <s>Screencap the pages from the court website for preservation.</s>

--[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 14:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

: Do we have a field agent that can attend the court hearing? That should give us the entire story behind all of this --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 13:15, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Shouldn't it be mentioned this is the first (major) event since Bob died? --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 13:43, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
*Is it noteworthy enough to note that their arraignments (or the time that the defendants are told of their crimes and to take guilty or not guilty pleas) have come to pass and according to their records, they are listed as "continued" which in this case means that they probably pled "not guilty" and are now facing their day in court? The only other explanation of "continued" being listed that I found was this, "continued in court cases generally means that they (defendant) plead 'not guilty' or that a plea deal/plea bargain is in the works". I just thought it'd be a note worthy fact-- that they are either planning a deal, or that they think they are not guilty. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 10:46, 7 November 2011 (PST)
:The article is already rife with speculation, and until we see court documents or other documents - we don't know the exact circumstances surrounding the charges, the pleas given (if any), medical considerations or other reasons for deferral. I'd rather we waited until we could prove the reason for deferral under the "continued" reason before we document it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 11:10, 7 November 2011 (PST)

===Title===
Shouldn't the title be Americanized? September 11th isn't referred to as 11/9.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 16:06, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
:We have a few articles with titles like this ([[12_October_2009|e.g.]]), so while I don't know if it's "right" or not, much like "Chris's", it's just become a standard. Good eye, though. I didn't catch that it wasn't Americanised. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 16:11, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
:I based it on articles like [[6 June 2010]]. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 17:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
:: Chris with felonly charges? Ohhh, Santa came early this year, and goddamn, did he deliver~! Anywho; if it was Chris on his own, it might've been dismissed like last time, but with Barb involved too, this is more concrete and serious: I propose that the formal title of the page (or saga, if it comes to that) be the name of the court case (Snyder or People vs Chandler, whatever it may be) when we get it. --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 00:45, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

==x==
Thank you based God [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 16:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

== Explanation ==

Am I reading this right? Chris got an Assault charge (assumption being it has to do with Snyder) but Barb got one too... but for a police officer, because her day in court was Oct 31, is there any information about what "assault" on the officer she actually did? Does anyone know what "complainant : CASON" means? And where can the stuff about him being in jail for two days be found? (or was this something Chris himself gave out?) --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:08, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
*Edit: ah, the actual trial for the assault isn't until December, so we probably won't find out what she did until then... It was some civil case between her and Snyder that occurred Oct 31-Nov 1--[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
** Oct. 31st was her formal arraignment, where I guess they informed her of the charges against her and set a court date for a criminal trial. Whether or not Mr. Snyder will file a civil suit remains to be seen, but somehow I doubt that her wants to have anything more to do with the Chandlers if he can help it. [[User:Giantgroundsloth|Giantgroundsloth]] 21:29, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
***(Messed up original links, but)Snyder's pressing civil charges against both, as both of his civil cases can be seen on the Virginia General District Courts site. Also, assault can be something as simple as a verbal threat, don't know if that was the case here, but it's something to keep in mind. [[User:Mrmonster|Mrmonster]] 00:36, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

== Who paid bail? ==

Is there any way to find out who paid bail? Most likely it was one of his extended family, but still. --[[User:Melainia|Melainia]] 01:33, 6 November 2011 (PDT)
*It could have also been a bondsman, which is pretty likely. That's their whole business. --[[User:Mrmonster|Mrmonster]] 00:38, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

==Civil Charges==
Anyone have any addition info about the civil charges from Mike? http://i.imgur.com/Fz281.png It says they were in court on Nov 1st but the case is listed as "Other Judgement" and a lot of the other fields are empty. Did Mike drop the case? --[[User:KillDeer|KillDeer]] 18:12, 6 November 2011 (PST)

==Chris's defense?==

Not sure if the Autism card will completely save him this time, espectially for a felony. But could his years of being trolled actually give him a valid claim of "harassment". There certainly is an ocean of information posted online about him, much of which is blatant insults towards him. Any chance the CWCki could get in any sort of trouble for instigating these actions by Chris?

Also, may want to bring up that psych evaluation he had back in 2004 when he was kicked out of school. Could that prove any insight to his reasoning behind this incident; and could it maybe help/hurt his case?--[[User:Jcrowley1985|Jcrowley1985]] 19:36, 6 November 2011 (PST)
* No. As far as I can tell, Chris using trolls and/or the CWCki as a reason for violating a restraining order is not going to cut it. I know he used it with the last little incident, but any judge with half a brain stem would realize that it's less about internet bullies and more about a 29-year-old man who should know better just ''not getting it''.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 19:59, 6 November 2011 (PST)
* High Functioning Autism wouldn't play a huge role here, simply because it's not a truly debilitating disorder these days, and there is no way a judge would even consider the argument that "trolls" made him do it.... Chris having trolls doesn't change the fact that he did something wrong and illegal. It'll actually be pretty hilarious if he tries to use this site for proof against trolls simply for the fact that there are a lot of things Chris himself has 'donated' to the site that could get him in even more trouble... for example: does Mr.Snyder know that Chris has stated, on the internet, that Snyder is a child molester and has potentially fiddled with his own kids? Yeah, that won't go over too well. The way things are looking, if Chris is found guilty of any of these; he'll see jail/prison time for sure (if only because he will be unable to pay his huge fees and fines) Barb is probably in the same boat. Sadly, another thing to point out is that if they have to get repo-ed to pay for anything, the county will finally have to deal with their horrendous hoarding problem and will probably condemn the house, just as Bob had feared. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:38, 6 November 2011 (PST)
*It all depends on how his lawyer wants to play it. Is Robert Bell acting as a PD for his pro bono work? Either way, I'd bet that either his lawyer is so blase in regards to the situation and/or so overwrought by his other cases that he'll just advise Chris to plead guilty with mitigating circumstances (autism, grief, etc.), or, it's always possible that Robert Bell's a total shark who'll get Chris off with a slap on the wrist, yet again. Of course, there's always the possibility that he'll be committed.
I know Chris and Barb have four cars (one of which is a Jag according to one of the Kacey calls) so they could hock those for some CWC cash (see that thing I did?), and lord knows that Chris and Barb probably have at least, AT LEAST, $2000 worth of useless shit lying around their house, but, somehow, I'm in doubt that Barb'll be able to rouse Chris off of his ass for long enough to get him to help her (and himself).
I've got to admit, I feel sort of sorry for Chris and Barb. Bob just died and lord knows that you never know what you have until it's gone. Their actions are inexcusable, yeah, but still, it's horrible that things have to end this way, if that's what ends up happening. I was, I guess naively, hoping that something would seep through Chris's skull and he'd just gracefully leave the internet and take some steps to improve himself, but it doesn't look like that's ever going to happen. He should thank God that's he's not going to be going to prison if he does have to be incarcerated. He'd get passed around like fucking candy there.

tl;dr Chris is fucked any-which-way [[User:Giantgroundsloth|Giantgroundsloth]] 21:18, 6 November 2011 (PST)

: It's worse than that. If Chris is foolish enough to reference this site, he's going to be pointing the court toward evidence that he has no regrets on this incident, since the first thing he did after getting out of jail was to crow about his crimes here. Any decent prosecutor would then dig up his youtube videos, handily linked throughout the site, and reveal that he's got a history of antisocial behavior, the most recent threats and attempted extortion only just predating his father's passing (and thereby casting doubt on grounds for his recent grief).

: His best chance is an insanity plea, which is difficult to prove on people who can communicate more clearly then Chris can. Ironically, the clearest indicators -- his beliefs that his creations are real -- may come off as so ludicrous that the plea might get dismissed.

: Failing that, he'll be extremely lucky to get a plea bargain down to some serious community service and probation. Unfortunately for him, his history with Snyder in specific shows how extraordinarily lenient everyone's already been. Any decent prosecutor will insist on such as part of their arguments, and should Chris' previous proud attempts at vehicular assault enter play, he's almost certainly going to have jail time as part of a plea. Even disregarding that, though, I'd be surprised if Chris actually made any efforts should he get probation and community service, as his history shows he'd ignore both, forcing the issue of jail time.

: Sadly enough, that's actually the extent of the good news for him. The bad news is that Chris' pride and arrogance may lead him to refuse any such pleas -- in his mind, he's neither insane nor has any of his behavior ever been anything less than justified -- and worse, he may even try to represent himself. Should that happen, his only real shot is to have Barb legally declare him as incompetent. While at first blush that sounds like it'd lead to him getting off on insanity after all, it'd rely primarily on Barb's testimony to go through -- and Barb's already supported him enough to be his accomplice.

: The primary factors now on whether Chris is going to jail are his county's prison system, his prosecutor's diligence, and how much ridiculous bullshit Chris serves up in his own defense. If he acts out in court, continues his libelous antics outside of it, or submits anything damaging in his "defense," he screws himself to oblivion. Hell, if Snyder comes here, or if someone contacts him and points him our way, the prosecution would have a field day.

: Quite frankly, this is so stacked against him I'm almost of a mind Barb did this intentionally to try to get the state to take custody of him before she dies, too, sad as it is to say.

: [[User:Kestrel|Kestrel]] 00:25, 7 November 2011 (PST)

*None of this is really relevant to the article, so next person who contributes something that doesn't relate to this article gets banned. You can talk about it elsewhere like on [http://cwcki.yuku.com our forums].--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:27, 7 November 2011 (PST)

==Article Title and Redirects==

We need to get a more fitting title set up as well as some redirects. I'm not sure how, exactly... But something like "Arrest" for a redirect. My creative juices are currently burnt out so I leave this all up to you for tonight.
:The subsection regarding the incident on the GAMe PLACe page called it "Strike Three, You're Out!" Something along those lines, perhaps?--[[User:Henry Bemis|Henry Bemis]] 22:16, 6 November 2011 (PST)
:We are a Wiki at the end of the day - and it's less about getting a "fitting" or amusing title, and more about getting a sensible one. I chose this one based on other articles about specific events (mostly significant videos that were not given a particularly unique name by Chris). "Keep It Simple" is the golden rule here, so any renames should be both simple and yet, unique enough for people to be easily able to find it. I'm totally open to better suggestions for the article title though, as I said near the top of this discussion page. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 03:17, 7 November 2011 (PST)

==Where==
Did someone know exactly where the trial will take place (ie some court on Chalottesville i presume)
[[User:René Duprée|René Duprée]] 10:25, 7 November 2011
*[http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/circuit/Charlottesville/home.html Charlottesville Circuit Court] most likely? The circuit court has jurisdiction over all felonies and that is where a jury trial would be held. Unfortunately on their [http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/circuit.html case lookup] page, that court isn't in the list. [[User:Penman28|Penman28]] 09:55, 8 November 2011 (PST)
*Considering that the charges are filed under "Charlottesville General District Court" I'm gonna guess thats where things are going down. --[[User:KillDeer|KillDeer]] 10:49, 8 November 2011 (PST)

== Chris's Account ==

Is it worth mentioning anything about this "CWC Michael Snyder Interview"? I looked it up on youtube and it's originally from 2010; so it's not really recent, nor does it pertain to anything Chris is talking about. He doesn't even say he wants to lore Chris into the Place; he actually says "We have a Pokemon Tournament the 22nd, I really hope Chris doesn't try to show up... That'd be really bad." I guess what I'm getting at is this: would it be worth putting in a small summary about the video Chris is saying will get him off the hook? Or do we just leave it and if people want to see it they can look it up themselves? (I really wish we could get Mr. Snyder's accounts of the happenings as well, just to compare the two.) --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 10:37, 9 November 2011 (PST)

I removed that section since it isn't 100% confirmed to be Chris yet (and in the case he does - he reads the Wiki). If it gets re-added I'd say just link it and add a Wiki page if there isn't already. --[[User:Drpepper|Drpepper]] 14:15, 9 November 2011 (PST)

== Removed the email ==

I went ahead and removed the halfsie-confirmed email I posted in the forums, since it's not fully confirmed to be by Chris and just not someone from Inner/PVCC in-the-know (and for the agent's sake). Just reverse if nobody gives a fuck. --[[User:Drpepper|Drpepper]] 14:11, 9 November 2011 (PST)
* I do believe that someone said "Tito and champthom just confirmed that some events match up". So maybe keep it but add some kind of disclaimer saying we don't have Christian Weston Chandler's confirmation; but some highly reliable sources can confirm that events match up?? --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 15:52, 9 November 2011 (PST)

Either way, the fact that Chris reads the Wiki remains and leaving the email up compromises a field agent, and genereal consensus is on the forums (in that topic) is that we keep it down until later. PVCC trolls have also asked that it doesn't go up yet on /cwc/. --[[User:Drpepper|Drpepper]] 16:19, 9 November 2011 (PST)

Talk:28 October 2011

2011-11-09T22:15:48Z

Drpepper: /* Chris's Account */

28 October 2011

2011-11-09T22:13:18Z

Drpepper:

{{recent}}
On '''28 October 2011''' - a date which will live in infamy - the [[GAMe PLACe]] was suddenly and deliberately attacked by forces of the City of [[CWCville]].

On that Friday evening, around 5:20 p.m.<ref>Based on metadata from Chris's photos</ref>, [[Chris]] and [[Barbara]] visited the GAMe PLACe and had an altercation with its [[manajerk|manager]], [[Michael Snyder]]. Chris took several photos of Michael on that day, and uploaded them to the [[CWCki]] in November. Why the delay? Well, as it turns out, he and Barb had been [[jerkop|arrested]] and jailed for various offenses (trespassing, assault, and hit & run). Now both have been charged with a Class 5 Felony, which implies "a '''term of imprisonment of not less than one year''' nor more than 10 years, and ... a fine of not more than $2,500."<ref>http://leg1.state.va.us/000/cod/18.2-10.HTM</ref>

Both Chris and Barb were released on bail following their arrest, with Chris's initial hearing being a week later than Barb's - possibly owing to the extra charge against him. It may also allow for additional information to be gathered about on his record of dealings with Michael Snyder and the GAMe PLACe, and also to consider any [[autism|medical grounds]] that may affect the outcome of any court proceedings against Chris. The Chandlers will be represented in court by [[Wikipedia:Robert B. Bell|Rob Bell]].

This is the first major event that has come to light since the death of [[Bob]] on 6 [[September 2011]].

== The charges ==
Below are the charges brought against both Barbara and Chris, along with details and court dates based on the details from the [http://epwsgdp1.courts.state.va.us/gdcourts/captchaVerification.do?landing=landing General District Court Online Case Information System]. At present we do not have a full account of what happened during the incident and under what circumstances the charges were brought against the pair. However, based on at least one previous incident in [[June 2010]], we can assume a rough outline of events.

===Barbara's===
* '''FAIL STOP ACCIDENT > $1000 FEL''' (§ 46.2-894. Duty of driver to stop, etc., in event of accident involving injury or death or damage to attended property; penalty.<ref name="a">http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+46.2-894</ref>)
** Class 5 Felony charge - Failing to stop after an accident where the damage exceeds $1,000 in value, thought to be vehicular damage on the grounds of The GAMe PLACe parking lot.
* '''ASSLT: ON LAW ENF/DOC PERSON''' (§ 18.2-57. Assault and battery.<ref name="b">http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-57</ref>)
** Class 6 Felony charge - Assaulting a law enforcement official. It's likely that this occurred when Barb attempted to prevent the police from arresting Chris.

==== Court dates ====
* 31 October 2011 - Appeared in court to be formally charged.
* 15 December 2011 - Due to appear in court again, possibly for the hearing.

===Chris's===
* '''FAIL STOP ACCIDENT > $1000 FEL''' (§ 46.2-894. Duty of driver to stop, etc., in event of accident involving injury or death or damage to attended property; penalty.<ref name="a" />)
** Class 5 Felony charge - Failing to stop after an accident where the damage exceeds $1,000 in value, thought to be vehicular damage on the grounds of The GAMe PLACe parking lot.
* '''ASSAULT: (MISDEMEANOR)''' (§ 18.2-57. Assault and battery.<ref name="b" />)
** Class 1 Misdemeanor charge - Attempted or actual assault against another person, perhaps [[Michael Snyder|Snyder]].
* '''TRESPASS AFTER FORBIDDEN''' (§ 18.2-119. Trespass after having been forbidden to do so; penalties.<ref>http://leg1.state.va.us/cgi-bin/legp504.exe?000+cod+18.2-119</ref>)
** Class 1 Misdemeanor charge - Tresspassing on land or within an area from which the offender is forbidden, no doubt due to setting foot in The GAMe PLACe.

==== Court dates ====
* 7 November 2011 - Appeared in court to be formally charged.
* 15 December 2011 - Due to appear in court again, at the same time Barb is.

== Civil suit ==
Michael Snyder also filled a civil suit against both Chris and Barb on November 1, 2011, 4 days after the incident.
The reason for the lawsuit and what damages are being sought is currently unknown besides that it is related to the October 28th event.

== Aftermath ==
* On 4 November, soon after being bailed out of jail, Chris uploaded the pictures he took of Michael Snyder on the 28th to the CWCki, plastering them on the front page as well as Michael's own article, with Chris presumably doing it as a response to the events at The GAMe PLACe.<ref>[[Special:Contributions/Christianchandler]]</ref> In the respective image descriptions, Chris claimed that Snyder molests children and taunted him for his [[obesity]].

== Photos ==
<gallery>
File:HNI 0020.JPG|Chris's photo of The GAMe PLACe; note that everyone is looking at the camera
File:HNI 0021.JPG|Chris's photograph of Michael Snyder
File:HNI 0022.JPG|Chris's second photograph of Michael Snyder
File:28 Oct 2011 Barb1.png|Barb's failure to stop felony charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Barb2.png|Barb's felony assault on a police officer charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Chris1.png|Chris's failure to stop felony charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Chris2.png|Chris's misdemeanor assault charge
File:28 Oct 2011 Chris3.png|Chris's trespass misdemeanor charge
File:Christian_Chandler_Civil_Suit.png|Michael Snyder's civil suit against Chris
File:Barbara_Chandler_Civil_Suit.png|Michael Snyder's civil suit against Barbara
</gallery>

==Fan Art ==
<gallery>
File:Chris mug.jpg|Chris's mugshot.
File:Chris joker.jpg| Why so serious?
File:TheJoker.png|Oh dear...
File:Chris court sketch.png| Artist's impression of the proceedings.
</gallery>

==References==
<references />

== See also ==
*[[6 June 2010]]
*[[Chris and the Law]]

[[Category:Events]]

Talk:28 October 2011

2011-11-09T22:11:33Z

Drpepper: /* Removed the email */ new section

{{Not A Forum}}
== Proposed article ==

This is my proposed solution to how we manage and collect information pertaining to the events of October 28th 2011.

To-do:
* Add categories
* Add more verifiable information
* <s>Screencap the pages from the court website for preservation.</s>

--[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 14:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

: Do we have a field agent that can attend the court hearing? That should give us the entire story behind all of this --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 13:15, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Shouldn't it be mentioned this is the first (major) event since Bob died? --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 13:43, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
*Is it noteworthy enough to note that their arraignments (or the time that the defendants are told of their crimes and to take guilty or not guilty pleas) have come to pass and according to their records, they are listed as "continued" which in this case means that they probably pled "not guilty" and are now facing their day in court? The only other explanation of "continued" being listed that I found was this, "continued in court cases generally means that they (defendant) plead 'not guilty' or that a plea deal/plea bargain is in the works". I just thought it'd be a note worthy fact-- that they are either planning a deal, or that they think they are not guilty. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 10:46, 7 November 2011 (PST)
:The article is already rife with speculation, and until we see court documents or other documents - we don't know the exact circumstances surrounding the charges, the pleas given (if any), medical considerations or other reasons for deferral. I'd rather we waited until we could prove the reason for deferral under the "continued" reason before we document it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 11:10, 7 November 2011 (PST)

===Title===
Shouldn't the title be Americanized? September 11th isn't referred to as 11/9.--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 16:06, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
:We have a few articles with titles like this ([[12_October_2009|e.g.]]), so while I don't know if it's "right" or not, much like "Chris's", it's just become a standard. Good eye, though. I didn't catch that it wasn't Americanised. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 16:11, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
:I based it on articles like [[6 June 2010]]. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 17:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
:: Chris with felonly charges? Ohhh, Santa came early this year, and goddamn, did he deliver~! Anywho; if it was Chris on his own, it might've been dismissed like last time, but with Barb involved too, this is more concrete and serious: I propose that the formal title of the page (or saga, if it comes to that) be the name of the court case (Snyder or People vs Chandler, whatever it may be) when we get it. --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 00:45, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

==x==
Thank you based God [[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 16:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

== Explanation ==

Am I reading this right? Chris got an Assault charge (assumption being it has to do with Snyder) but Barb got one too... but for a police officer, because her day in court was Oct 31, is there any information about what "assault" on the officer she actually did? Does anyone know what "complainant : CASON" means? And where can the stuff about him being in jail for two days be found? (or was this something Chris himself gave out?) --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:08, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
*Edit: ah, the actual trial for the assault isn't until December, so we probably won't find out what she did until then... It was some civil case between her and Snyder that occurred Oct 31-Nov 1--[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
** Oct. 31st was her formal arraignment, where I guess they informed her of the charges against her and set a court date for a criminal trial. Whether or not Mr. Snyder will file a civil suit remains to be seen, but somehow I doubt that her wants to have anything more to do with the Chandlers if he can help it. [[User:Giantgroundsloth|Giantgroundsloth]] 21:29, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
***(Messed up original links, but)Snyder's pressing civil charges against both, as both of his civil cases can be seen on the Virginia General District Courts site. Also, assault can be something as simple as a verbal threat, don't know if that was the case here, but it's something to keep in mind. [[User:Mrmonster|Mrmonster]] 00:36, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

== Who paid bail? ==

Is there any way to find out who paid bail? Most likely it was one of his extended family, but still. --[[User:Melainia|Melainia]] 01:33, 6 November 2011 (PDT)
*It could have also been a bondsman, which is pretty likely. That's their whole business. --[[User:Mrmonster|Mrmonster]] 00:38, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

==Civil Charges==
Anyone have any addition info about the civil charges from Mike? http://i.imgur.com/Fz281.png It says they were in court on Nov 1st but the case is listed as "Other Judgement" and a lot of the other fields are empty. Did Mike drop the case? --[[User:KillDeer|KillDeer]] 18:12, 6 November 2011 (PST)

==Chris's defense?==

Not sure if the Autism card will completely save him this time, espectially for a felony. But could his years of being trolled actually give him a valid claim of "harassment". There certainly is an ocean of information posted online about him, much of which is blatant insults towards him. Any chance the CWCki could get in any sort of trouble for instigating these actions by Chris?

Also, may want to bring up that psych evaluation he had back in 2004 when he was kicked out of school. Could that prove any insight to his reasoning behind this incident; and could it maybe help/hurt his case?--[[User:Jcrowley1985|Jcrowley1985]] 19:36, 6 November 2011 (PST)
* No. As far as I can tell, Chris using trolls and/or the CWCki as a reason for violating a restraining order is not going to cut it. I know he used it with the last little incident, but any judge with half a brain stem would realize that it's less about internet bullies and more about a 29-year-old man who should know better just ''not getting it''.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 19:59, 6 November 2011 (PST)
* High Functioning Autism wouldn't play a huge role here, simply because it's not a truly debilitating disorder these days, and there is no way a judge would even consider the argument that "trolls" made him do it.... Chris having trolls doesn't change the fact that he did something wrong and illegal. It'll actually be pretty hilarious if he tries to use this site for proof against trolls simply for the fact that there are a lot of things Chris himself has 'donated' to the site that could get him in even more trouble... for example: does Mr.Snyder know that Chris has stated, on the internet, that Snyder is a child molester and has potentially fiddled with his own kids? Yeah, that won't go over too well. The way things are looking, if Chris is found guilty of any of these; he'll see jail/prison time for sure (if only because he will be unable to pay his huge fees and fines) Barb is probably in the same boat. Sadly, another thing to point out is that if they have to get repo-ed to pay for anything, the county will finally have to deal with their horrendous hoarding problem and will probably condemn the house, just as Bob had feared. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:38, 6 November 2011 (PST)
*It all depends on how his lawyer wants to play it. Is Robert Bell acting as a PD for his pro bono work? Either way, I'd bet that either his lawyer is so blase in regards to the situation and/or so overwrought by his other cases that he'll just advise Chris to plead guilty with mitigating circumstances (autism, grief, etc.), or, it's always possible that Robert Bell's a total shark who'll get Chris off with a slap on the wrist, yet again. Of course, there's always the possibility that he'll be committed.
I know Chris and Barb have four cars (one of which is a Jag according to one of the Kacey calls) so they could hock those for some CWC cash (see that thing I did?), and lord knows that Chris and Barb probably have at least, AT LEAST, $2000 worth of useless shit lying around their house, but, somehow, I'm in doubt that Barb'll be able to rouse Chris off of his ass for long enough to get him to help her (and himself).
I've got to admit, I feel sort of sorry for Chris and Barb. Bob just died and lord knows that you never know what you have until it's gone. Their actions are inexcusable, yeah, but still, it's horrible that things have to end this way, if that's what ends up happening. I was, I guess naively, hoping that something would seep through Chris's skull and he'd just gracefully leave the internet and take some steps to improve himself, but it doesn't look like that's ever going to happen. He should thank God that's he's not going to be going to prison if he does have to be incarcerated. He'd get passed around like fucking candy there.

tl;dr Chris is fucked any-which-way [[User:Giantgroundsloth|Giantgroundsloth]] 21:18, 6 November 2011 (PST)

: It's worse than that. If Chris is foolish enough to reference this site, he's going to be pointing the court toward evidence that he has no regrets on this incident, since the first thing he did after getting out of jail was to crow about his crimes here. Any decent prosecutor would then dig up his youtube videos, handily linked throughout the site, and reveal that he's got a history of antisocial behavior, the most recent threats and attempted extortion only just predating his father's passing (and thereby casting doubt on grounds for his recent grief).

: His best chance is an insanity plea, which is difficult to prove on people who can communicate more clearly then Chris can. Ironically, the clearest indicators -- his beliefs that his creations are real -- may come off as so ludicrous that the plea might get dismissed.

: Failing that, he'll be extremely lucky to get a plea bargain down to some serious community service and probation. Unfortunately for him, his history with Snyder in specific shows how extraordinarily lenient everyone's already been. Any decent prosecutor will insist on such as part of their arguments, and should Chris' previous proud attempts at vehicular assault enter play, he's almost certainly going to have jail time as part of a plea. Even disregarding that, though, I'd be surprised if Chris actually made any efforts should he get probation and community service, as his history shows he'd ignore both, forcing the issue of jail time.

: Sadly enough, that's actually the extent of the good news for him. The bad news is that Chris' pride and arrogance may lead him to refuse any such pleas -- in his mind, he's neither insane nor has any of his behavior ever been anything less than justified -- and worse, he may even try to represent himself. Should that happen, his only real shot is to have Barb legally declare him as incompetent. While at first blush that sounds like it'd lead to him getting off on insanity after all, it'd rely primarily on Barb's testimony to go through -- and Barb's already supported him enough to be his accomplice.

: The primary factors now on whether Chris is going to jail are his county's prison system, his prosecutor's diligence, and how much ridiculous bullshit Chris serves up in his own defense. If he acts out in court, continues his libelous antics outside of it, or submits anything damaging in his "defense," he screws himself to oblivion. Hell, if Snyder comes here, or if someone contacts him and points him our way, the prosecution would have a field day.

: Quite frankly, this is so stacked against him I'm almost of a mind Barb did this intentionally to try to get the state to take custody of him before she dies, too, sad as it is to say.

: [[User:Kestrel|Kestrel]] 00:25, 7 November 2011 (PST)

*None of this is really relevant to the article, so next person who contributes something that doesn't relate to this article gets banned. You can talk about it elsewhere like on [http://cwcki.yuku.com our forums].--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:27, 7 November 2011 (PST)

==Article Title and Redirects==

We need to get a more fitting title set up as well as some redirects. I'm not sure how, exactly... But something like "Arrest" for a redirect. My creative juices are currently burnt out so I leave this all up to you for tonight.
:The subsection regarding the incident on the GAMe PLACe page called it "Strike Three, You're Out!" Something along those lines, perhaps?--[[User:Henry Bemis|Henry Bemis]] 22:16, 6 November 2011 (PST)
:We are a Wiki at the end of the day - and it's less about getting a "fitting" or amusing title, and more about getting a sensible one. I chose this one based on other articles about specific events (mostly significant videos that were not given a particularly unique name by Chris). "Keep It Simple" is the golden rule here, so any renames should be both simple and yet, unique enough for people to be easily able to find it. I'm totally open to better suggestions for the article title though, as I said near the top of this discussion page. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 03:17, 7 November 2011 (PST)

==Where==
Did someone know exactly where the trial will take place (ie some court on Chalottesville i presume)
[[User:René Duprée|René Duprée]] 10:25, 7 November 2011
*[http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/circuit/Charlottesville/home.html Charlottesville Circuit Court] most likely? The circuit court has jurisdiction over all felonies and that is where a jury trial would be held. Unfortunately on their [http://wasdmz2.courts.state.va.us/CJISWeb/circuit.html case lookup] page, that court isn't in the list. [[User:Penman28|Penman28]] 09:55, 8 November 2011 (PST)
*Considering that the charges are filed under "Charlottesville General District Court" I'm gonna guess thats where things are going down. --[[User:KillDeer|KillDeer]] 10:49, 8 November 2011 (PST)

== Chris's Account ==

Is it worth mentioning anything about this "CWC Michael Snyder Interview"? I looked it up on youtube and it's originally from 2010; so it's not really recent, nor does it pertain to anything Chris is talking about. He doesn't even say he wants to lore Chris into the Place; he actually says "We have a Pokemon Tournament the 22nd, I really hope Chris doesn't try to show up... That'd be really bad." I guess what I'm getting at is this: would it be worth putting in a small summary about the video Chris is saying will get him off the hook? Or do we just leave it and if people want to see it they can look it up themselves? (I really wish we could get Mr. Snyder's accounts of the happenings as well, just to compare the two.) --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 10:37, 9 November 2011 (PST)

== Removed the email ==

I went ahead and removed the halfsie-confirmed email I posted in the forums, since it's not fully confirmed to be by Chris and just not someone from Inner/PVCC in-the-know (and for the agent's sake). Just reverse if nobody gives a fuck. --[[User:Drpepper|Drpepper]] 14:11, 9 November 2011 (PST)