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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Chris thinks this is Alec Benson Leary. While in reality, this was a picture of the character Bodhi from the 2015 remake of ''Point Break''&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Troll]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Idea Guys]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Today */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Troll|BlueSpike was the troll behind Julie and Max}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Protip|Do NOT attempt to go after the troll behind Julie and Max. Though many of the actions associated with the troll are controversial to observers, the troll has moved on with his life, and has shown regret for his actions. BlueSpike has had no interactions with the community in 6 years. Attempts to track down the troll had also led to unrelated people being accused of being BlueSpike. Do not drag him back into Christory.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I can tell in my heart Julie IS 19.|Chris on Julie.&amp;lt;ref name = Mumble10&amp;gt;[[Mumble 10]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
| title = BlueSpike&lt;br /&gt;
| image = Bluespikeohexploitable.png&lt;br /&gt;
| imagesize = 250px&lt;br /&gt;
| name = &amp;quot;David Harlow&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Calling Out &amp;quot;Julaaaay&amp;quot; - David]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
| aliases = BlueSpike&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;LeonSpike&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Julie Milvana&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Max Milvana&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;JULAAAY&lt;br /&gt;
| day      = 12&lt;br /&gt;
| month    = 10&lt;br /&gt;
| year     = 1996&lt;br /&gt;
| birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;kiwi&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/bluespike.24172/ Bluespike's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nationality = [[United States|American]]&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|occupation = {{TrollOccupation}}&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|julie|cn}}, {{saga|ps3|cn}}, {{saga|callingout|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''BlueSpike''' (AKA '''LeonSpike''', &amp;quot;a 13 year old brat&amp;quot; with [[Asperger syndrome]] according to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Calling Out &amp;quot;Julaaaay&amp;quot; - David]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;) was a young troll who contacted Chris through two feigned identities: a [[sweetheart]] named '''Julie''' and her evil brother '''Max'''. However, more of the trolling had involved BlueSpike going under the Julie persona. &lt;br /&gt;
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Playing as Julie, BlueSpike had phone sex with Chris for hours each night, listening to Chris [[Mass debating|masturbating]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[CWC Cums for a Cat]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Bob walks in]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; As BlueSpike was in complete control of Chris, he could have done more sinister things, but night after night he engaged in nothing but noisy, fabricated (on Blue's end) phone sex and listening to Chris jacking off very loudly. (Draw your own conclusion about his sexuality.)&lt;br /&gt;
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BlueSpike's trolling caused Chris to admit to Julie that he had tried using [[sex toys|a dildo and anal beads]], convinced Chris to [[Ohio trip|take a long drive to Ohio]] in what he saw as an effort to rescue his girlfriend, produced the infamous [[For Julie's Eyes Only|sex tape]] where he fucks [[Kimmi]], made him describe a future scene from [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]] alluding to his [[Gay 4 Sonichu|gay fans]], and was the impetus for the legendary incident where [[Bob Walks In|his father walked in]] to him with his pants down. He was also responsible for other sick shit, including coercing Chris into shoving shards of his [[Medallions|Sonichu Medallion]] up his ass while he watched and mocked him. After that, and subsequently being kicked out of the [[Trolls#The Miscreants|Miscreants]], he was involved in relatively minor trolling incidents before fading into obscurity.&lt;br /&gt;
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BlueSpike's treatment of Chris is considered to be sadistic: his behavior departed from standard trolling and amounted to [[Julie Reveals Herself|emotional and even sexual abuse]]. His harsh treatment of Chris was unparalleled by any of Chris's past [[trolls]], and was not matched until the likes of the [[Idea Guys]] appeared nearly a decade later. Of the classic trolls, Chris has noted that he hates BlueSpike the most for the traumatic experience he caused during that Mumble call, along with tricking him into taking [[Ohio trip|a long road trip]] that scared his parents half to death.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; BlueSpike effectively provided the model that all controversial trolls following him would use – though, unlike most that followed, he was actually successful in his goals. Also unlike many subsequent trolls, BlueSpike eventually expressed regret for his actions years later.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;!---==Timeline==---&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
==Prologue==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Incomplete|Information on the creation of the Mumble Chats|BlueSpike's early interactions with Chris and Clyde}}&lt;br /&gt;
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BlueSpike was one of a set of false gal-pals created specifically to troll Chris with.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Personas==&lt;br /&gt;
===Julie===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|JULAAAAAAY, JULAAAAAAY!!!!|Chris [[For Julie's Eyes Only|professes his undying love while screwing]] [[Kimmi|a doll]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ChrisandJulieLBP.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Chris and Julie, together in [[LittleBigPlanet]]. The salad days.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:LetterfromJulie(2of2).jpg|thumb|left|100px|What Chris believed Julie looked like.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Julie Milvana'''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[BlueSpike Skype Logs 5]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (born 13 July 1989&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 4]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;) was a [[Molvanîa]]n Methodist&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mumble 8]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' fan who became Chris's sweetheart after [[PandaHalo]].&amp;quot;Julie&amp;quot; first appeared in IRC in December [[2008]], suggesting the infamous [[Tour of Chris's House]] video.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[IRC (15 December 2008)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; She later posed a ton of ''Sonichu'' questions submitted by fans&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[IRC (28 December 2008)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and was invited to [[Sonichu Girls]].&lt;br /&gt;
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As early as 3 [[January 2009]], she asked Chris what he would do if a [[JERK]] kidnapped his [[heartsweet]]--he said, ''&amp;quot;I would learn his demands if any, or if he hurt her, I'd strike the jerk back.&amp;quot;'' Julie also got excited by the prospect of an orgy with Chris and the Sonichu Girls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[IRC (03 January 2009)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The next day, it was revealed that Chris had promised his virginity to both Panda and Julie, and both ladies were furious, with Julie threatening to kill herself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[IRC (04 January 2009)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Later she calmed down and moved to Ohio to live with relatives. Ever classy, Chris suggested a threesome with PandaHalo.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[BlueSpike Skype Logs]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris refused to drive to Ohio, instead insisting that Julie come to him. He also couldn't be bothered to attack Clyde in IRC, even when he threatened Julie.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[BlueSpike Skype Logs 2]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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When Chris chose [[Sarah May]] over her, Julie was crushed. Chris apologized, and then abruptly [[Autism|went back to talking about vidya]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[BlueSpike Skype Logs 4]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Clyde Cash made more serious threats against Julie, forcing Chris to upload a famous [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet|5 February 2009 video]] admitting that he was gay.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;a&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; Once Chris got it into his head that PandaHalo had burned to death in a wildfire, he began to focus even more on Julie as a sweetheart.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris received a [[Letter from Julie|letter]] written by Julie, the first physical [[:File:LetterfromJulie(2of2).jpg|proof]] of her &amp;quot;existence.&amp;quot; In it, it details the love professed by her to Chris. That Valentine's Day, Chris uploaded [[LittleBigPlanet|a ''LBP'' level]], and Chris and Julie brought their relationship to the next level with cybersex. [[Bob Chandler]] [[Bob Walks In|walked in]], and the rest is history. [[Borb|Chris's parents]] didn't believe that Julie was TRUE and HONEST.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Bob Walks In Aftermath]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In an [[For Julie's Eyes Only|infamous video]] on 20 [[February 2009]], Chris created a sex video for Julie with the help of his inflatable assistant Kimmi, in order to give Julie an idea of what their first time together would be like. Chris's tender and passionate cries of &amp;quot;JULAAAAAAAY!&amp;quot; proved one of the most striking and memorable of [[CWC-isms]]; to this date, many erroneously believe that Kimmi ''is'' Julie. This is not so; Chris may be the most desperate man alive, but he's not quite got to the point where he's convinced himself any of his sex dolls are real.&lt;br /&gt;
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A set of postcards showing the act were sent to [[14 Branchland Court]]. [[Bob]] got a hold of these postcards, which prompted him to take Chris's [[PSEye]] away.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Max===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Gilded.jpg|thumb|left|200px|What Max is presumed to look like.]]&lt;br /&gt;
'''Max Milvana''' was the abusive brother of Julie. The Max persona was typically used for instances where Julie was in peril, or when BlueSpike wanted to engage in tormenting Chris directly.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Nnocac.jpg|thumb|150px|Receipts from Chris's epic journey to Cleveland. Note that he asked for no [[pickle]]s on the mayo hamburger, and that the place he at was a [[Sonic]] Drive-In.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Max and [[Clyde Cash]] convinced Chris that he had kidnapped Julie at the Miscreant Headquarters in Cleveland, Ohio,&amp;lt;ref name = Mumble10/&amp;gt; and was planning to send her over to [[China]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Clyde E-mails]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In response, Chris valiantly [[Ohio trip|travelled all the way to Ohio]] in a bid to rescue her and got his parents all worried. (His ancestors' spirits had wished him &amp;quot;a Safe Trip to Ohio&amp;quot; two days prior at [[Aunt Corrina]]'s funeral.)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie Chat 7]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Unfortunately, because Chris got the &amp;quot;wrong&amp;quot; address, he ended up at a run-down house in the ghetto that was inhabited by an elderly [[Niggos|black]] woman.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[BlueSpike Skype Logs 13]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Under the Max persona, BlueSpike hacked into Chris's Yahoo! and PSN accounts, threatening Chris that he would either take Julie away or sell both of the accounts on [[eBay]]. He goaded Chris into doing various embarassing things in order to get the accounts back, ranging from [[Chris and anger|raging]], to stating that he is a [[homo]], to declaring [[BILLY MAYS]] as the new mayor of CWCville. &lt;br /&gt;
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As with the Julie persona, Chris also engaged in sexual acts involving the Max persona. In one instance Chris claimed that he would show Max [[duck|his penis]] per his request.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Julie Reveals Herself: The Prequel]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Max also claimed that he had no interest in seeing Chris's penis. In the very next video, Max tried to goad Chris into showing his penis to him after telling him that he doesn't have one, only to then frantically reject this when Chris actually attempts it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Julie Reveals Herself]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He also suggested in the same video that Chris ejaculate on the medallion if he ever wanted to see Julie again.&lt;br /&gt;
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On that fateful day, Max, power-mad with control over Chris, caused a schism between the trolls who had followed Chris up to this point.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Julie Reveals Herself==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Advicespikemedallion.png|thumb|left|Kids say the darndest things.]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Main|Julie Reveals Herself}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|BlueSpike, stop this shit.|A troll's reaction to BlueSpike prompting Chris to shove pieces of his medallion up his ass.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 [[March 2009]], Max gained control of Chris's PlayStation Network account, and during an hour-long audio session threatened to sell the PSN account and forbid Julie from seeing Chris. Chris was coerced into declaring [[BILLY MAYS]] to be the mayor of CWCville and shoving the pieces of his destroyed [[Sonichu medallion]] up his anal cavity, before he was able to talk to Julie, at which point Julie admitted that both she and Max were the figments of BlueSpike's imagination. At no point did BlueSpike even mention the sex tape (which had already gotten nearly 2 million hits on SlutLoad). BlueSpike's female voice was an unconvincing falsetto, which makes it all the more surprising that it worked so well on Chris. This incident shattered both his [[heart level]] – [[List of things Chris has shoved up his ass|and his anus]] – to 0%.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{-}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Reaction===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Cheers09.jpg|thumb|right|BlueSpike was kicked out of [[The Miscreants]] following the incident.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On 5 [[March 2009]], an all-out civil war broke out between trolls on the Chris-chan [[ED]] discussion page on whether BlueSpike had gone too far, whether he was a hypocrite, or if he was merely a tool initiated by Clyde Cash to deceive Chris into further milking for lulz. Suffice to say, a combination of outrage and troll remorse turned the whole event into a clusterfuck.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If BlueSpike really is 13 years old, then we know who the real child molesters are. [...] &amp;quot;hey! be one of the cool kids, help this autistic guy jack off, pretend to be a girl so we can video tape and record it...&amp;quot; . Thats the REAL reason you were shiting it and called for a 30 minute silence just after, Clyde. At least you had the balls to say that it was you responsible [...] If Bluespike really is 13, then you groomed a child to perform sex acts on a mentally retarded man for your pleasure. You're fucked, son. You both broke a lolcow, but theres better sport now, ruining your lives. And dont act like you dont care, I saw you shiting yourself all that night and the next, sending waves of members out to kill threads about it or put in false names, just like Your sock earlier in the page. Ready to have a seat of there?|Wit, ED user&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20100919165747/http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Talk:Chris-chan/Archive14&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Even as [[Julie Reveals Herself]] was being recorded, other trolls can be heard remarking that it was &amp;quot;horrible&amp;quot; and demanding BlueSpike to stop. Early on in [[Mumble 11]], which was recorded a day later, other trolls outright tell BlueSpike to shut up and that nobody likes him before he gets muted.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Impact on Chris===&lt;br /&gt;
While one might think that this level of physical and mental abuse would leave lasting scars, BlueSpike's trolling initially appeared to have virtually '''no''' evident long-term impact on Chris. Just a few weeks after Julie revealed her true identity, Chris had moved onto thinking he'd found [[Ivy|another sweetheart]] online, and just a few weeks after that he had no trouble believing that he was having virtual sex with [[Vanessa Hudgens|a famous Disney Channel celebrity]]. The main effect it had was that although Chris made a new Sonichu medallion, he stopped wearing it until 1 [[July 2009]].&lt;br /&gt;
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However, years later, Chris stated that BlueSpike's psychological and sexual abuse of him was in [[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff|the top two most traumatic experiences in his life]], with the other contender being the alleged incident at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]] where he was pinned down by faculty during an autistic meltdown. Since Chris hasn't provided details of how he felt after the humiliating experience, figuring out how this affected him is left up to speculation. He also sounded reluctant to talk about the incident during [[Calling Out &amp;quot;Julaaaay&amp;quot; - David]], a video where he attempted to dox lolcow David Harlow as being BlueSpike (due to trolls feeding him misinformation), and during the [[BraveryJerk Interviews]], he is shocked when BraveryJerk brings up the incident.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris came to believe that BlueSpike was killed at the hands of [[Clyde Cash]], from an offhand comment by Cash in [[Mumble 12]]. On [[Chris chan (CWCipedia)|his version of the ED page]], Chris stated that &amp;quot;That little S.O.B. later died at the hands of the '[[Transformers|Starscream]]' Troll, Clyde Cash.&amp;quot; Of course, this statement was later [[Car Pranks|revealed to be a complete and utter falsehood ]]. Nonetheless, even eight years after the events of 23 August 2011, Chris [[Chris and reality|still believes]] that BlueSpike is dead.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:EpicOnlineBully.jpeg Chris creates a trading card mentioning 'the late BlueSpike', 22 September 2019]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Prank Calls==&lt;br /&gt;
Even after tormenting Chris for several hours, and getting kicked out from his clique of trolls as a result, BlueSpike continued contact with Chris, acting as the original [[weening|ween]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Car Pranks|The first call]] involved him trying to buy [[Son-chu|Chris's car]], after a troll put it up on [[Craigslist]]. BlueSpike tried to trade the car for a [[HEXBox]], causing Chris to hang up.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Prank_calls#Failed_Prank_Call|The second call]] involved BlueSpike and another troll calling up Chris's phone to obnoxiously yell &amp;quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAYYYYY]],&amp;quot; taunting him about the Julie saga. Unfortunately for them, [[Bob Chandler|Bob]] answered the phone, chewing them out for the immaturity of the prank. They hung up shortly after.&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;quot;Called out&amp;quot;==&lt;br /&gt;
On 23 [[August 2011]], [[Calling Out &amp;quot;Julaaaay&amp;quot; - David|Chris claimed]] to know BlueSpike's real identity (first name '''David''') and threatened to drop [[dox]] on him unless he made an apology video by 15 [[September 2011]]. In the video, BlueSpike was to tell people to stop calling Chris &amp;quot;[[Ian Brandon Anderson]]&amp;quot; and yelling &amp;quot;JULAAAAAAAAYYY!&amp;quot; in [[prank calls]]. Although BlueSpike did not respond to Chris' demands, the death of Bob two weeks later caused Chris to leave the Internet before he could reveal BlueSpike's personal information, and he ultimately lost interest in exposing his tormentor. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:JULAYYYYYYYY.PNG|The supposed image of BlueSpike.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Davidharlow.jpg|An unrelated image of David Harlow.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if Chris did make a video about who BlueSpike really was, it would have been for naught. The personal information Chris had actually belonged to David Harlow, a lolcow also known as [https://web.archive.org/web/20211208172212/https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Nesshelper Nesshelper]. This is evidenced by Nesshelper and BlueSpike apparently sharing the same first name, the &amp;quot;real&amp;quot; photo of BlueSpike being a closeup of [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Davidharlow.jpg this picture of Nesshelper], and Chris' claim of BlueSpike liking big rooms, which references a [https://archive.org/details/43947139 video rant] where Nesshelper complained about the size of a hotel room he was staying in. Aside from not being a troll and having no reason nor motivation to go after Chris, the fact that Nesshelper sounds nothing like BlueSpike in his videos makes it clear they are not the same person. Furthermore, Nesshelper was born on 9 July 1985&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20150510010346/http://nintendodojo.com/profile.aspx?id=12501&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and therefore would have been 23 years old during the Julie saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris was presumably given false information to highlight his [[autism|gullibility]] and possibly set up a feud between him and Nesshelper, similar to how [[Ahuviya Rotem Harel]] and [[Christopher Paul Whitney]] made negative remarks about Chris after he accused them of being [[Jack Thaddeus]] and [[Alec Benson Leary]] respectively. Of course, the aforementioned death of Bob prevented a conflict between the two from occurring; regardless, it's likely Nesshelper wasn't even aware of Chris's misguided attempt to dox him.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Today==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Kiwi Farms posts (Bluespike)}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:EpicOnlineBully.jpeg|thumb|Chris' &amp;quot;Epic Online Bully&amp;quot; card, based on Julie/Max]]&lt;br /&gt;
BlueSpike is easily one of the most polarizing trolls in Christory, competing with the [[Idea Guys]] and [[Bella]]. Most trolls tend to frown on BlueSpike and his methods, as they echo those of [[weening|weens]], [[enablers]], and [[A-Logging|A-Logs]]. Nevertheless, some weens still yearn to return to the sadistic days of BlueSpike, in hopes of an age of trolling where physical pain is inflicted upon Chris. Since 2009, BlueSpike has come of age and matured; he now has a profile on [[Kiwi Farms]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://web.archive.org/web/20210812031040/https://kiwifarms.net/members/bluespike.24172/ Bluespike's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which has been given the &amp;quot;Christorical Figure&amp;quot; verification by forum moderators. When asked to reflect upon his time trolling Chris, he wrote:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(Bluespike)#Looking_back_on_trolling_Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|There's been tons of things in my life I've regretted and hated doing later on, all of the stuff from 10 years ago was one of them. I've moved past everything that happened those many years ago and obviously I'm a different person now. It wasn't funny and was a very a-log thing to do. Nothing much else I can say.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On August 28, 2017, BlueSpike responded to a question on his Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(Bluespike)#Liquid Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; account asking if given the opportunity he would &amp;quot;do it all again&amp;quot;. He responded: &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Probably not, if I would I'd try to do something more similar to [[Liquid Chris]] (not trying to ruin his life and just have fun with him)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Even after the sagas of the [[Idea Guys]], [[Jacob Sockness]] and [[Bella]], BlueSpike remains Chris's least favorite troll.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 8#Least_Favorite_Troll]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2024]], Chris was asked in an interview about his regrets, replying that he had fallen for &amp;quot;theoretical exes&amp;quot;, his term for [[trolls]] posing as [[sweethearts]]. In particular, Chris singled out BlueSpike and his actions, further showing that BlueSpike has been cemented in Chris's mind even nearly fifteen years later.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Chris Chan Interview]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
===False accusations===&lt;br /&gt;
With BlueSpike's identity still remaining a secret, it's natural people would try to find out who was behind the persona; this has nevertheless resulted in some people being improperly tagged as BlueSpike.&lt;br /&gt;
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A handful of people have speculated that BlueSpike may be Waymuu, a YouTube Pooper and concert archivist who, as a kid in 2009 and 2010, made A-Loggy rants towards Chris. These claims are bullshit and based entirely on rumors from Reddit and old comments on his videos and on imageboards. Waymuu was 11 in 2009, thus making it impossible for him to be BlueSpike, something confirmed by both [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTfgGB0YeOI a video] he'd later make debunking the rumors, and by a ''Thomas the Tank Engine'' [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hw8iX5lY2kY gag dub] he made in 2011 that stated his then-age (13) in the title. While the two did have similar voices around the time, prepubescent boys tend to have similar-sounding voices in general, and Waymuu has different speech patterns and inflections in his. Furthermore, Waymuu had no other sort of involvement in the trolling of Chris outside of making said rants and lurking his [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|ED]] page.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fan art}}&lt;br /&gt;
*[[BlueSpike PSN Chats]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bob Walks In]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris Comes Out of the Closet]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[CWC Cums for a Cat]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[For Julie's Eyes Only]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guys]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Julie Reveals Herself]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Molvania]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Mumble]] - BlueSpike would set up a Mumble chat to communicate with Sonichu &amp;quot;fans&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ohio Trip]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{JulieSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PS3Saga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Love quest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Sweethearts]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Miscreants Members]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Julie Saga]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Devil Trolls */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:''This article is about troll personas. For how trolls manipulated Chris, see [[Chris and manipulation]].''&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Protip|If you're thinking about [[Weening|trying to troll Chris now as part of some zany scheme to get Chris to do something funny]], then don't. The golden age of trolling Chris was well over a decade ago and is never coming back, and [[Idea Guys|any attempt at]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|reviving it]] has ended in disaster. Chris is a shell of the person he once was and is living in much more depressing circumstances than the ones that made him an infamous lolcow.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|That which can condemn the abnormally foolish is not the abnormally clever... That which can condemn the abnormally foolish is the normally foolish.|GK Chesterton}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|...[T]hey are [[Chris and anger|vicious]], [[Chris and reality|crazy]], [[Slow-in-the-minds|wickedly smart]] people.|[[Chris]] on trolls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Tomboys_And_Tomgirls_of_Virginia#Friendship_Issues|Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|What a world we live in, with such trolls in it.|[[Bubbles Rosechu|Bubbles]], [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Trolls''' are various individuals of all races, colors, and creeds united under a common goal - to mess with the life of, and extract as many lulz from the [[Chris and the Internet|Internet]]'s most beloved and most hated [[autism|autistic]] manchild, [[Chris Chan]], as possible. The organized effort to troll Chris began in earnest in 2007, and still has momentum going for it, even if it peaked after disbanding of the Classic-era trolls following the death of Chris's [[father]] in 2011.&lt;br /&gt;
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Trolling schemes by these individuals have ranged from [[Manipulation|manipulating]] Chris into a ''Truman Show''-like existence, making him [[:Category:Videos with RAGE|rage on video]], making him take [[Nudes|pictures of himself unclothed]], accelerating the breaking of his sense of [[reality]], and more.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Pre-ED==&lt;br /&gt;
It is notable that Chris was bullied in real life before his discovery by [[4-cent garbage.com|4chan]] and [[ED]]. It can be argued that the first known torment of Chris occurred when his lifelong-friend-who-no-longer-speaks-to-him, [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]], [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares#Memories of childhood|locked him under the house]] when they were children. The next notable bullying occurred during the infamous mini-date with [[Hanna]] in [[2005]] which smashed his [[heart level]] to 15%. Around the same time, he was also trolled by a girl he contacted through [[MySpace]] named [[MySpace messages#Lindsay|Lindsay Kaye]]. There was also possible trolling of Chris through the guestbook on his website from as early as [[2003]], when &amp;quot;a hot redhead&amp;quot; said that she would meet him outside of [[PVCC]] (either this was epic trolling, or Chris put it on the guestbook himself). And let's not forget about [[Mary Lee Walsh]] and [[The GAMe PLACe]] hijinks.&lt;br /&gt;
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But this was all child's play compared to what happened next....&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Miscreants==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Y'all are making me very nervous right now.|Chris on The Miscreants.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mumble 9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:REALChrisChanAndFriends.jpg|thumb|left|The Miscreants at their annual Ancient and Secret convention.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MiscreantsJury.png|thumb|left|The Miscreants on jury duty for Chris's [[Affair with Mother|misdeeds]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TapestryPickleMan.jpg|thumb|The Miscreants was an ancient order dating over a thousand years. In this lost scene from the Bayeux Tapestry, Christian's ancestor Geoffrey Weston the Feeble-Minded notes that he has been fooled by the &amp;quot;Man donning the Pickled Cucumber Suit.&amp;quot;]] &lt;br /&gt;
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'''The Miscreants''' were a group of people who trolled Chris from 2009 up until his father's death in 2011. [[Clyde Cash]] was the original leader of The Miscreants, which was styled after The Patriots, the shadowy cabal from the ''[[Metal Gear]]'' series who are revealed to be behind a conspiracy spanning decades, including all of the main incidents the protagonists go through. They claimed to be responsible for several unfortunate events in Chris's past, [[Chris and reality|which Chris seemingly believed]].&lt;br /&gt;
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On 23 [[February 2009]], The Miscreants approached Chris in [[Mumble]] and informed him of their plan. Several [[Secret Weapon|&amp;quot;HA-HA, I got you!&amp;quot;]] videos were made, all with false information. To deal with these Internet bullies Chris resorted to [[Captain's Log, Stardate April 23rd, 2009|babbling incoherently]].&lt;br /&gt;
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After the disappearance of Clyde Cash, the site&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://web.archive.org/web/20090323102050/http://themiscreants.110mb.com/ The Miscreants Website]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; was down for a few weeks, with the message that &amp;quot;Clyde's dead, baby.&amp;quot; After that, the website returned, apparently re-uploaded by Vivian Gee. Part of the site description read &amp;quot;Name's Vivian. Guess I'm the new leader or some shit. Fuck y'all.&amp;quot; On 28 [[June 2009]], the Miscreants set up shop at the [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens]] message board.&lt;br /&gt;
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While online wars have been waged, [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Men in Pickle Suits]] have also been deployed to ruin Chris in reality. These exploits have included stealing his [[Emily|date]], obtaining potentially life-ruining material, and generally being lulzy. They also seemed to treat [[Bob Chandler]] as one of their own.&lt;br /&gt;
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While the group's explicit purpose, [[Mumble 9|according to Cash]], was to ensure that [[Chris and sex|Chris never got laid]] and forever remain a [[Virgin with rage]], that didn't stop them from [[Hooker incident|sending a bunch of prostitutes to]] [[14 Branchland Court|Chris's house]]. Nonetheless, Chris got the last laugh when [[Mia Hamm|he hired a prostitute]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the death of Bob, the Miscreants have effectively disbanded, with pretty much everyone involved distancing themselves from Chris, and only a few (such as [[Surfshack Tito]]) continuing their efforts before eventually losing interest. Years after the fact, some have admitted that they took things too far when reflecting on this era of Christory, while others look back with a sense of smug satisfaction.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:AdamStackhouse.jpg|left|80px|thumb|Adam Stackhouse]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Adam Stackhouse]]===&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2007]] Chris would enter the [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown]], in an attempt to win over [[Megan]]'s heart. [[Adam Stackhouse]] would win instead, due to his video being superior. This would prompt a [[Chris and anger|tard rage]], in which he created a fake webpage proclaiming himself the winner&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://web.archive.org/web/20071108233910/http://members.aol.com/CWCSonichu/EPPromotions283.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, as well as [[CWC is Angry|a creepy video]] in which he shoots a photo of Adam and his sister with his [[Megatron Pistol]] in silence and exclaims his anger at the end. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ABL.png|left|80px|thumb|Alec Benson Leary]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Alec Benson Leary]]===&lt;br /&gt;
Creator of ''[[Asperchu]]'', a webcomic that was specifically designed to piss Chris off. This started a long war between ''[[Sonichu]]'' and the aforementioned Asperchu in which Alec and the [[Asperpedia Four]] caused the death of [[Simonla Rosechu]], placed ads for the [[Asperpedia]] on the [[CWCipedia]], and eventually took control of the CWCipedia and took it down. Alec and Chris exchanged a series of [[Alec Benson Leary calls|nine calls]] over the course of the war. Alec has also been responsible for other trollsome personas, including [[Lars]] and [[Jackie]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:SirWilliamMaysOBE.jpg|left|80px|thumb|BILLY MAYS]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[BILLY MAYS]]===&lt;br /&gt;
The infamous loud-mouthed salesman of the same name who types in ALL CAPS. He was declared the mayor of [[CWCville]] by Chris on 3 March 2009 while under pressure from [[BlueSpike#Max|Max]]. It is widely suspected that Chris himself had something to do with his untimely death.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Blanca Weiss]]===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Blanka.jpg|80px|thumb|Blanca's true identity.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;Blanca&amp;quot; was really a trio of trolls (RickyRicardo123, Ickeriss69, and Nurse Icky-chan) who tricked Chris into sending them nudes, and later his [[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion]]. Ickeriss later uploaded a couple of [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3Jr2ZktVfI videos] featuring the Sonichu medallion, including a video in which the medallion is destroyed.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not to be confused with [[Trolls#Lordsillynipples|LordSillyNipples]], who used the Blanca identity to score the first nudes.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[BlueSpike]]===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Bluespikeohexploitable.png|thumb|left|80px|Bluespike's identity is unknown.]]&lt;br /&gt;
BlueSpike (AKA &amp;quot;LeonSpike&amp;quot;, aka &amp;quot;Julie&amp;quot;, aka &amp;quot;Max&amp;quot;) is a [[Pedofork|thirteen-year-old boy]] who pretended to be Chris's [[sweetheart]], &amp;quot;[[Julie]]&amp;quot;. He later revealed himself as a troll in a now infamous [[Julie Reveals Herself|hour-long phone call]], in which he berates Chris, and forces him to cut up his [[Sonichu medallion]] and shove it up his ass.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:BryanBash.jpg|thumb|left|80px|Bryan Bash (right) with your sister (left).]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Bryan Bash]]===&lt;br /&gt;
Bryan Bash is a close friend of [[Clyde Cash]]. He is the one who [[Hooker incident|sent hookers over to Chris's house]], as well as the person who called during the infamous [[Bob Walks In|&amp;quot;Bob Walks In&amp;quot;]] audio file, and is responsible for leaking [[CWCRockin4Way.jpg]]. Additionally, he leaked the [[Father Call]] and the [[Kacey and Liquid Call]] to [[/cwc/]] on 11 November [[2009]], and he has also leaked conversations between [[Chris]] and [[Jack Thaddeus]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Clyde Cash]]===&lt;br /&gt;
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[[image:TheRealClydeCash.jpg|thumb|80px|right|Clyde Cash. The man. The legend. The guido.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The nefarious [[Clyde Cash]] is the most infamous and legendary of trolls. A vile and reprehensible fellow whose very name strikes fear and revulsion into Chris's clogged heart and inspires admiration from the souls of the people. He posed as [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], raped Chris's beloved [[PandaHalo]], and performed many more amazing feats about which songs shall be written and the minstrels shall sing of in the ages immemorial. Unfortunately it will not come to pass since Clyde is serving a life sentence for stealing the identity of Lee Hotti.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Emily]]===&lt;br /&gt;
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A brave soul who went on a date with Chris. She was later saved by the [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Jew in the Pickle Suit]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Ahuvia.png|thumb|left|80px|Jack Thaddeus]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Jack Thaddeus]]===&lt;br /&gt;
The possible successor (and gay lover) of Clyde Cash and is responsible for various [[PS3#PlayStation Network|PSN]]-related trollings and also for the [[CWCipedia]] ads.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Jimmuh hill.jpg|thumb|80px|Jimmy Hill]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Jimmy Hill]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A British sportscaster. He claimed to be the true original creator of Sonichu, the first openly gay cartoon character which briefly became very popular in Europe in 2009.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Jason Kendrick Howell]]===&lt;br /&gt;
The original creator of the [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|ED]] page.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[The Man in the Pickle Suit]] ===&lt;br /&gt;
A real-life pickleman who answers to Clyde Cash. He saved Emily from the clutches of Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CChanSonichuCWC.jpg|thumb|left|80px|The [[TRUE and HONEST]] Chris]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Liquid Chris]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A [[YouTube]] troll who is known for doing a spot-on impersonation of Chris-chan. Within his saga, Liquid Chris is referred to as the [[TRUE and HONEST]] Chris-chan and creator of the popular comic character Sonichu, and Solid is referred to as an angry troll named [[Ian Brandon Anderson]], who made outlandish claims that he was the real Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Lordsillynipples]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A troll from [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|ED]] who was responsible for impersonating [[Blanca Weiss|Blanca]] and being the first to obtain the now [[Nudes|infamous Chris-chan noodz]] on 11 September 2008, along with [[Christian Weston Chandler...Yep, I'm on TV :)|Chris's DVD]]. She is also responsible for giving birth to the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] and for feeding Chris the infamous guido picture of [[Clyde Cash|Clyde]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Robert Simmons V]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A YouTube troll who managed to gain Chris's trust by showing him support and mirroring his life. Along with [[Church audio|visiting Chris's church]] and meeting [[Bob Chandler|Bob]], he also had a hand in organizing the [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|Emily date]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[image:Tito 300.gif|thumb|80px|Surfshack Tito]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Shigeru Miyamoto]]===&lt;br /&gt;
Shigeru Miyamoto (Japanese: 宮本 茂) is the creator of some of Nintendo's most legendary video game franchises such as ''Super Mario'', ''The Legend of Zelda'', and ''Star Fox''. He pretended to be interested in his [[sonichu|yellow Sonic abortion]]. It would later come to light that Miyamoto was a sockpuppet of Clyde.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Surfshack Tito (troll)|Surfshack Tito]]===&lt;br /&gt;
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An enigmatic troll who managed to invoke Chris's wrath on [[Surfshack Tito|two]] [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!|separate]] occasions by hacking his PSN and taking the blame for ruining Chris's slim chances with [[The Wallflower]]. He was also involved in [[The MovingForward videos|the destruction]] of Chris's beloved [[PS3]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[image:TH.PNG|thumb|80px|left|Thorg]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[image:Vivian.jpg|thumb|80px|Vivian]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Thorg]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A troll responsible for creating a [[20 December 2009|slanderous billboard]] in 2009 and exposing [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]] in 2011. A major part of Chris's 2011 [[Calling Out|blackmail campaign]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Vivian Gee]]===&lt;br /&gt;
The creator of the ''Sonichu'' [[audiobooks]] and various other Chris-related videos and cousin of Clyde Cash. A former white knight who turned troll after she realized Chris was a [[Vivian Gee E-mails|hopeless, thick-skulled moron]]. She and Clyde Cash were both personas created by the same troll.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Post-Bob's death==&lt;br /&gt;
Following Bob's death in 2011, the then-current group of trolls disbanded to give Chris room to grieve. In the years that followed, new trolls would eventually crop up.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Thetan]]===&lt;br /&gt;
Impersonated Chris's former high school classmates.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/6-22-chris-at-too-many-games-convention.44691/post-3494509&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Catherine]] and friends===&lt;br /&gt;
Catherine is a fake love interest who conspired with [[Marvin]] by  manipulating [[OKCupid]] results to match with Chris's.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-2798964 (archive: https://archive.fo/0wRXL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; She used this influence for another sweetheart saga which included meeting him in real life to surreptitiously record his conversations.&lt;br /&gt;
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Accompanying her is a group of others that would interact with Chris, such as [[Cousin Al]] who met him IRL and found the [[Manchester High Leaks]], [[Colin]], who was a member of their open relationship, [[Shaina]], [[Renee]] and [[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails|Rebeckah]] who would e-mail Chris frequently.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Jeff/Francine]]===&lt;br /&gt;
The mysterious creator of [[CWC Adult Chronicles]]. Targeted by Chris for selling unofficial Sonichu merchandise and in a blatant act of [[hypocrisy]], was made fun of for her transition.  &lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Johan]]===&lt;br /&gt;
An ex-gay porn star who challenged Chris for the rights to impregnate [[Sam and Ellen|two lesbians]].  After a sex-off, Johan's superior body and non-bent duck won them over.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Jessica Quinn]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A former white knight who played the long con by becoming his sweetheart. Known for her fat fetishism before ditching him and coming back and forth to toy with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fantasy Enablers==&lt;br /&gt;
Beginning in October 2017, the [[Idea Guys]] exploited Chris's fantasy [[coping]] mechanisms to gain power over him. Since then, numerous [[enablers]] have used similar methods.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Idea Guys]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A group of trolls whose actions rivaled and arguably surpassed that of BlueSpike. They remain infamous for how they manipulated and brainwashed Chris over a period of several months, coercing him into performing degrading acts and extorting him out of thousands.  The Idea Guys hastily vanished after the emergence of the [[Guard Dogs]], who set about attempting to reverse all the Idea Guys had wrought. Nonetheless, Chris maintains many of their influences in the current day, chief among them the beliefs that he's a [[CPU Blue Heart|CPU goddess]], the [[Dimensional Merge]], and his imaginary [[polyamorous marriage]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Teen Troon Squad]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A group of transgender teenagers who posed as his friends. They took advantage of Chris's faltering sense of reality by feeding him information on the [[Dimensional Merge]] and taking over his Twitter account. Rumored to have given Chris marijuana.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Jacob Sockness]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A mysterious man from San Francisco, California, who aimed to manipulate Chris into a relationship. He had primarily served to only further enable the beliefs planted in Chris's head by the [[Idea Guys]], as well as bolster Chris's beliefs in the [[Dimensional Merge]]. After Sockness stated that he was taking a train across the country to meet with Chris in person, Chris insisted that Sockness stop after realizing Sockness was a legitimate danger. While Sockness relented and went back to California, he still ended up continuing to try and force his way back into Chris's life on repeated occasions, only to be aggressively rejected by Chris in late November 2019. Despite this, Sockness made several more attempts at returning. Eventually being repeatedly chastised by Chris on [[Twitter]] in [[July 2020]], and finally being permanently blocked by Chris by the end of [[August 2020]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Ben Saint]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A webcomic artist who expressed an interest in Chris two years prior. Ben entered into a squabble with Chris after getting him and [[Night Star]] involved in his latest comic series promoting his latest project, ''Endless War''. The interaction would then lead to a battle over the canonicity over the events of the comic, with the two sides providing [[Sonichu Special 7|contradictory narratives]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Larry Vaughn]]===&lt;br /&gt;
A troll who attempted to somewhat follow in the footsteps of the Idea Guys. His grandiose plans of using [[Magi-Chan]] as a hostage to make Chris drive to Disney World were stopped before they could begin, but Vaughn did manage to have Chris send bizarre Twitter DMs to various individuals.&lt;br /&gt;
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===[[Keffals]]===&lt;br /&gt;
Real name Clara Sorrenti, a male-to-female [[transgender]] behind the #Drop[[Kiwi Farms|KiwiFarms]] movement and who befriended Chris sometime before the [[Second Coming]] and invited him to the [[Discord]] server, [[Catboy Ranch]]. She also held [[Keffals videos#A Chris Chan Interview|an interview]] with him on 16 [[February 2024]]. Following the release of the edited cut, she made a new [[Patreon]] tier for $100,000 a month, supposedly giving the donator access to the full version of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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==[[Sonichu_(character)|Sonichu]] and [[Rosechu]]==&lt;br /&gt;
While there's no definitive proof of these two being trolls, they have been known to dispense advice for Chris from time to time, especially on the subject of relationships.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Jackie e 16&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Jackie_E-mails_16]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Considering the [[&amp;quot;Damian Antaria&amp;quot;, PLEASE, Don't Leave Me - I NEED YOU!!!|results derived from said advice]], one cannot help but wonder about their true motivations.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Devil Trolls==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ModNation TrollFemale.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Featured in ''[[ModNation Racers]]''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:DevilTroll.jpg|thumb|200px|Artist's depiction.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from the several notable figures above, the '''Devil Trolls''' are mysterious, evil creatures that appear in Chris's ''[[Sonichu]]'' comic series. These creatures are first mentioned in [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]] and make their first full appearance in [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Devil_troll_artistic_interpretation.png|thumb|right|150px|Artistic recreation.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Like many beings within Chris's comics, the Devil Trolls are inspired by his encounters in real life. Devil Trolls represent the various trolls that have given him such [[stress]] over his lifetime. This is shown when Chris encounters a set of them attacking a room containing his stuff from one of his earlier websites.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Devil Trolls make their first mentioned appearance as some sort of grass protrusions taking away the fallen &amp;quot;[[IBAChandler]]&amp;quot; after Sonichu defeats him in ''Sonichu'' #9. They make their full appearance in ''Sonichu'' #10, as [[Chris-Chan Sonichu]] encounters them inside a room containing his pictures from his various websites. Seeing as Chris can't create anything without [[Things Chris has ripped off|ripping off original designs]], Devil Trolls resemble [[Wikipedia:Troll doll|those old Troll toys]], minus their gems, with long tails and demon-like wings. They also sport sharp teeth.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Motivations==&lt;br /&gt;
===Chris's perspective===&lt;br /&gt;
Chris himself has a more simplistic view of what motivates his enemies. When a [[Mailbag]] correspondent asked him to explain why he's trolled, and why so many people seem to hate him, Chris had this ingenious response:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|&amp;quot;[[Chris and English|Tehy're]] just jealous that they did not think of [[Sonichu]] first, or that I am more [[Chris and art|Artistically Talented]] than they are.&amp;quot;|[[Chris]], [[Mailbag 5|Mailbag #5]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Trollll.PNG|thumb|Drawing of a troll appearing in [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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This is consistent with the advice given many children who are harrassed in real life: that bullies are merely jealous of you, and want to see you react unfavorably, when in reality, bullies abuse others for many different motives, jealousy being only one of them - and, internet trolls typically do what they do for their own amusement, and not always out of some personal slight against their target. Since Chris [[Count Graduon|never moved past]] [[Manchester High School|high school]] mentally, he still believes he is hated because [[Ego|he is so much better than everyone else.]] [[File:Trollmiia.png|200px|thumb|artistic recreation @miiashapphire]]&lt;br /&gt;
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From his own attempts to illustrate trolling, it's obvious that Chris has no concept of how it works. When he tried his hand at impersonation, he thought that we'd all be trolled if he pretended to be an epic troll, but then [[Jack|a troll]] saw through his lie and forced him to admit that he is, indeed, a fat idiot. Chris believes that trolling has two steps: pretend to be someone you're not and then &amp;quot;troll&amp;quot; someone by revealing who you really are. [[Silvana]], a character based on his perception of forum trolls who claim to be people they aren't, thinks it's hilarious to pretend to be [[Meg Griffin]], kiss Chris, and then transform once she's out of sight. As a result, Chris walks away happy, unaware that he just kissed a tranny, defeating the entire point of &amp;quot;trolling&amp;quot; him.&lt;br /&gt;
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A tool he has used to fight against his hated trolls is claiming that they are all homosexuals, combining his two major hates into one massive force of nature. The earliest this is seen is [http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Mailbag&amp;amp;oldid=3208|a message he wrote] in his Mailbag section, exploding in rage over an added [[Twitter]] and how they could talk about him behind his back. Even more, in his [[Damien Antaria (CWCipedia Page)|CWCipedia article on The Wallflower]], Chris has also decided that the trolls are also [[niggos|black]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Unsurprisingly, Chris also considers trolling a ''crime'', and has somehow dedicated himself to stop trolling. However, Chris's views on trolling are very very skewed, as he believes that ''all'' trolling is equal to what he had done to him. In [[EXCLUSIVE Manchester High School 2000 Reunion Required NOW]], he told people how to act on the Internet [[Chris and hypocrisy|mere moments after revealing his real name, address, and phone number]].&lt;br /&gt;
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As the years passed, Chris's take on trolls has erupted into a massive flight of fancy. Because he has been refused admittance to [[The GAMe PLACe]], Chris has proclaimed that the entire store is a massive front for Internet trolling, with [[Michael Snyder]] as the ringleader of it all. As well, he seems to have chosen the [[CWCki Forums]], [[Kiwi Farms]] and [[Reddit]] as a major gathering place for trolls.&lt;br /&gt;
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===His parents' perspective===&lt;br /&gt;
The [[Matthew Noble call]] in August 2010 revealed some interesting insights into Bob and Barbara Chandler's interpretation of what has happened to their son over the years. Chris's parents are apparently convinced that the entire Chris-chan Trolldom grew out of a conspiracy by Michael Snyder, two alleged homosexuals who frequented The GAMe PLACe (possibly [[Lucas]] and [[Mimms]]), and ''[[Megan Schroeder]]'', who worked to get Chris banned from the store and are involved with a general effort to harass and torment Chris. When speaking with Ivy, Bob described Megan with words like &amp;quot;cruel&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;German&amp;quot;. Bob was convinced that it is all because they are persecuting Chris for being autistic, while in reality he was scaring away customers with his behavior and sexually harassing Megan.&lt;br /&gt;
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It's useful to try to consider things from his parents' point of view. To begin with, there ''is'' a worldwide conspiracy, more or less, to pester the Chandlers, violate their privacy, drive their son to do ridiculous things, and otherwise fuck with them in a myriad of ways. Bob and Barbara are bombarded by prank phone calls all day, nude photos, God knows what else arrive in their mail, signs mysteriously appearing on their lawn, Chris having [[Kacey and Liquid Call|angry screaming matches]] with people they've never met on the telephone, Chris once drove off to Ohio to meet [[Julie|a woman who didn't exist]], and so on.&lt;br /&gt;
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Being Chris's parents must be a fairly surreal experience at this point, and given that they belong to a much older generation, they can hardly be expected to develop the grasp of Internet social phenomena that they'd need to properly understand their situation. The GAMe PLACe, however small a piece of the bigger picture it may be, is the most significant real, physical element of Chris's adventures in trolldom that they've been exposed to. As ridiculous as their theory may seem, it's probably the best they can do as far as making sense of what has happened and continues to happen to them.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chris the troll==&lt;br /&gt;
While the idea of everyone's favorite manchild becoming the one thing he hates seems kind of farfetched, if not laughably ironic, it actually isn't too far off as one might think. Because of his horrendous misconceptions of what he thinks his trolls does, Chris believes that, if given a new target, Chris's trolls would gladly stop attacking him and go after that new target. In the past, Chris has tried to deflect his trolls towards people like [[Joshua Martinez]], [[Michael Snyder]] and even [[Daniel Mimms|Mimms]]. However, Chris has been so entrenched with his trolls and viewers that the idea of going after someone else doesn't seem feasible anymore.&lt;br /&gt;
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As well, Chris has even attempted to troll his own trolls. One of the first known attempts was the [[Rollin' and Trollin']] video, claiming that he had pulled the most epic prank on the Internet, only to turn around the very next day and reveal that it was a lie. [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], as mentioned above, had his comic book self thinking he had kissed [[Meg Griffin]], not knowing that it was actually [[Silvana]]. As well, on 28 [[April 2012]], he attempted to convince his trolls that he had decided to return to the mall and resume his [[Love Quest]], armed with his [[Attraction Sign]]. Again, he revealed the next day that it was a lie and that he had gotten [[ban]]ned from the mall just before he decided to pull it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Interestingly, Chris's perception of being a troll is less about trolling to get a rise out of someone and more of attempting to pull a prank. His &amp;quot;return&amp;quot; to the Love Quest is probably the biggest indicator of that. Chris let his trolls know through his [[Facebook]], then waited a day before shouting &amp;quot;SURPRISE!&amp;quot;. As well, he also believed that if someone reads his message, he's going to assume that everyone has and that they are going to descend on the mall like a bad flash mob just to find Chris. Too bad everyone, unlike Chris, has lives of their own.&lt;br /&gt;
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However, if there is one person that Chris himself has successfully trolled, without a shadow of a doubt, it's ''himself''. Proof of this can be directly pointed to his [[Ego#Surrendering Information|bad habit of surrendering information]] about himself, no matter how [[Tomgirl|embarrassing]], [[Nudes|demeaning]], or [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|downright]] [[Dox|stupid]] giving out said tidbits of himself would be. Chris often screams at his trolls for not leaving him alone, but, aside from the fact that his antics only add more fuel to the fire, he always fails to realise that if he didn't give them ammo to begin with, he wouldn't have ended up in this predicament. A shining example of this would be the [[2013 Imgur Leak]]. Chris could have ranted about the trolls, and most would have shrugged and assumed that [[Chris and anger|he's just being angry in typical Chris-Chan fashion.]] That is, until Chris revealed the reason ''why'' he got upset, inadvertently revealing the Facebook posts he was keeping a secret, as well as some [[Death Threats|very unsavory information]] that could get him arrested if taken seriously.&lt;br /&gt;
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It just goes to show you, nobody trolls Chris better than Chris. Chris is the type to not only shoot himself in the foot, but reload, fire again, and repeat the cycle while blaming the trolls. He just never learns.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chris's relationship with the trolls==&lt;br /&gt;
Although he would never admit it, Chris eventually developed something of a love-hate relationship with the trolls, which became clear during the Liquid Saga. When Clyde trolled Liquid Chris in a phone call, Chris attempted to redirect Clyde to himself, angered by Liquid's slanderous attempt at stealing his trolls. In an E-mail to Vivian, Chris also [[Vivian Gee E-mails, 2009#4 August|thanked the trolls]] for documenting [[Honest Content|the information he revealed to them]] and [[Lie|allowing him to mature emotionally]]. Although the trolls were a nuisance to Chris, their antics were far more thrilling than Chris's hopelessly shitty yet mundane lifestyle, which left him unfulfilled and [[Persecution complex|desperate for adversity]]. The trolls served as black-and-white antagonists for Chris, giving him a perceived purpose in life and allowing him to live out his [[Sonichu (comic)|fantasies]] as [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|a hero]] [[Jerkops|pitted]] [[Mary Lee Walsh|against]] [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc|one-dimensional]] [[Count Graduon|villains]]. This was likely a factor in Chris's susceptibility to trolling.&lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually, Chris's desire for a more exciting life of heroes fighting against villains was fully exploited by the [[Idea Guys]] and [[other enablers]]. As a result, Chris now believes that he ''already'' leads the same life as his fantasy counterpart, and has lost interest in traditional trolls. He even started thanking them for helping him discover [[Transgender|his true self]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Today==&lt;br /&gt;
:''Main article: [[Weening]]''&lt;br /&gt;
Since the death of [[Bob Chandler|Chris's father]], the [[Destruction Of Chris's House|loss of his home]] and [[Financhu Crisis|his plummet to the breadline]], Chris has changed profoundly. No longer is he the [[naïve]], [[Chris and fashion|clown-shirted]], [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|indifferent]] [[Ego|egotist]] ED discovered in 2007; instead, he is a jaded, chronically depressed, [[Tomgirl|cross-dressing]] child trapped in an adult's body, who is not as susceptible to, capable of dealing with, and arguably, as deserving of trolling as he used to be.&lt;br /&gt;
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Many of those who continue to follow his activities are beginning to opine that he has suffered enough, and that active trolling, even where it is successful, doesn't produce the results it used to, takes more effort due to his inflated paranoia, tends to lead to small groups monopolizing Chris and hoarding the information they gather (as happened with [[Blanca Weiss|Blanca]] and [[Catherine]]), and in some cases, causes needless emotional damage to Chris. For example, the revelation that Chris's latest girlfriend, Catherine, was yet another troll persona in early [[November 2014]] provoked disgust and disappointment, as many felt that not only was it [[Sonichu (character)|unoriginal]] and [[JULAAAY|no longer funny]], but the trolls had spent weeks, if not months stringing him along and toying with him, including tricking him into [[I Love You, Catherine|grovelling]] for &amp;quot;Catherine&amp;quot;'s continued affection. Many felt this amounted to emotional abuse of an already broken and miserable shell of a man, some were even disappointed as they felt that after all Chris had gone through, he deserved a lucky break, and a real relationship for a change.&lt;br /&gt;
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Further, this was accompanied by the revelation that the same group of trolls had also fabricated Chris's denunciation by his [[Gal pal|high school friends]], leading to many questioning the morality of impersonating Chris's old friends just to get a reaction out of him, and of course, the terrifying [[CWCville|Orwellian nightmare]] that such trolling has left Chris in, as virtually every aspect of Chris's social life is [[Chris and manipulation|engineered by trolls]] and he has no way of knowing what or who is real – [[Savannah Chandler|even his own family]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's transformation has also coincided with, and perhaps influenced, a shift in trolling. Active, chronic trolling such as Chris has experienced is now generally looked down upon as [[weening]] and attention whoring, instead it has become more fashionable to leave a lolcow like Chris to their own devices for the most part, and observe, rather than continually provoke. Proponents note that many major events in Chris's life have happened independent of troll influence, such as [[2014 house fire|him burning down his own home]], his various outings to [[Charlottesville, VA|Charlottesville]] and beyond (and many subsequent IRL bans), his bizarre dealings with [[Mary Lee Walsh]] and of course, the infamous [[28 October 2011]] and [[26 December 2014]] incidents. It can also be argued that much (if not most) of the trolling that Chris experienced since his discovery in 2007 was weening as well.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[2012 Poster campaign]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[4-cent garbage.com]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[A-Logging]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[CWCki]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Enablers]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Kick the Autistic]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[PVCC (Message Board)|PVCC]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Rollin' and Trollin']]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Watchmen]] - The inverse of the Miscreants&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Weening]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[White knight]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Trolls}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Love quest}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Lists]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title     = Idea Guy&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 19 &lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the [[wikipedia: S.T.A.L.K.E.R|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games [[wikipedia: Brothers in Arms (video game series)|''Brothers in Arms'']] and [[wikipedia: Wolfenstein: The New Order|''Wolfenstein: The New Order'']]. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as [[wikipedia: Sword Art Online|''Sword Art Online'']] character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User:Goodhoward&amp;diff=321463</id>
		<title>User:Goodhoward</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User:Goodhoward&amp;diff=321463"/>
		<updated>2024-03-13T04:06:45Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:4rjvG.jpg|thumb|right|I BELIEVE I CAN FLYYYYYY, I BELIEVE I CAN TOUCH THE SKYYYYYYYYYY.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
PS: Todd Howard is good.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Asian}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{JERK}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Tito}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Snyder}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{LiquidChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Weeaboo}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ClassicChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Observer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Straight}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PS2}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Kiwi Farmer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuys}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=CWCstapo&amp;diff=320969</id>
		<title>CWCstapo</title>
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		<updated>2024-03-01T12:49:41Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:Untitled580 20230318194640.png|thumb|CWCstapo insignia]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''CWCstapo''' was a group of people that supposedly eliminated trolls, in lieu of Chris's very own [[Trollbusters]]. They were introduced to him by the Idea Guys in the beginning of their respective saga, telling him that the Troll Busters had merged with the group, with Chris seemingly oblivious to the fact that the name of the group is a play on the term &amp;quot;[[wikipedia:Gestapo|Gestapo]]&amp;quot;, the secret [[Jerkop|police]] force of [[Nazi]] Germany.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Much like with many of the Idea Guy retcons that Chris had canonized, the influence of CWCstapo permeated. Chris still considers CWCstapo CWCville's de facto police force, annexing all law enforcement in the city.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
{{See also|Troll Busters}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Whoyougonnacall.jpg|thumb|Who ya gonna call?]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris became so fed up with his trolls that he first created the TrollBusters (&amp;quot;based&amp;quot; on the GhostBusters) somewhere in late 2010 as a side-comic apart from Sonichu. Even though he had planned to create a pilot comic for the idea, at most, he only made a few drawings of the characters. He first announced the group in 26 September 2010.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Outside of his coming out as a lesbian soul in 2014, where he states the group also went after anti-LGBTQ people, the group would never be mentioned again by Chris until the Idea Guys told him about the CWCstapo group on 26 December 2017.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#Jamsta molested Punchy]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==List of Members==&lt;br /&gt;
*Former Troll Busters&lt;br /&gt;
# Cal&lt;br /&gt;
# Dee Dee&lt;br /&gt;
# Chris&lt;br /&gt;
*Former CWCVille Police Department&lt;br /&gt;
# Ian A. Branderson&lt;br /&gt;
# Lou Perez&lt;br /&gt;
# Gerald Grant&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--==Proclamation==--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and the law]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guys]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nazis]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Idea_Guys&amp;diff=320310</id>
		<title>Idea Guys</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Idea_Guys&amp;diff=320310"/>
		<updated>2024-02-16T11:58:11Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Early trolling */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title     = Idea Guy&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 19 &lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the [[wikipedia: S.T.A.L.K.E.R|''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'']] video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games [[wikipedia: Brothers in Arms (video game series)|''Brothers in Arms'']] and [[wikipedia: Wolfenstein: The New Order|''Wolfenstein: The New Order'']]. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{clear}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
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He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Let me know when that fuck [[Bob Chandler|Bob]] finally drops.|Cole&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-3.PNG|24 July 2007 email #3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I do not regret giving birth to Cole.|[[Barbara Chandler]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Cole_07-03-06-1.PNG|6 March 2007 email, page 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{infobox&lt;br /&gt;
| title = Cole&amp;amp;nbsp;Smithey&lt;br /&gt;
| image = [[File:Coles.jpg|250px|center]]&lt;br /&gt;
|header1  = Information&lt;br /&gt;
|label1   = Name&lt;br /&gt;
|data1    = Joseph Cole Smithey&lt;br /&gt;
|label2   = Also known as&lt;br /&gt;
|data2    = The Smartest Film Critic in the World&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Joe Cool&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mumble 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Coleslaw&lt;br /&gt;
|label3   = Date of Birth&lt;br /&gt;
|data3    = [[Pre-1980#1960s|24 July 1963]] (age {{Age|1963|7|24}})&lt;br /&gt;
|label5   = Gender&lt;br /&gt;
|data5    = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|label6   = Nationality&lt;br /&gt;
|data6    = [[United States|American]]&lt;br /&gt;
|label7   = [[Chris and race|Race]]&lt;br /&gt;
|data7    = White&lt;br /&gt;
|label8   = Spouse&lt;br /&gt;
|data8    = Katherine Kyle (2013 – present)&lt;br /&gt;
|label11  = Father&lt;br /&gt;
|data11   = [[Ran Coleman Yeatts]] (alleged biological father)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jack Dale Smithey]] (biological father, as claimed by Barb)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jerry Harmon]] (stepfather)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Bob Chandler|Robert Chandler]] (stepfather)&lt;br /&gt;
|label12  = Mother&lt;br /&gt;
|data12   = [[Barbara Chandler]]&lt;br /&gt;
|label13  = Siblings&lt;br /&gt;
|data13   = [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (half-brother)&lt;br /&gt;
|label14  = Education&lt;br /&gt;
|data14   = [[wikipedia:San Diego State University|San Diego State University]] (DA)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[wikipedia:Hartnell College|Hartnell College]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[wikipedia:San Francisco City College|San Francisco City College]]&lt;br /&gt;
|label15  = Occupations&lt;br /&gt;
|data15   = Magician's assistant (1967-1976)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Film critic&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Musician&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Tour guide&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Joseph Cole Smithey''' (born 24 July 1963)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;''[[:Image:046-ColeCDIn.jpg|A CD For Cole Smithey!]]''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; is [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s half-brother, [[Barbara Chandler|Barbara]]'s first son, and lone ([[Bob Chandler|living]]) escapee of the [[Chandler Family Tree|Casa de Chandler]] prior to Chris's [[arrest]]. Despite sharing chromosomes with Chris and being raised by the same horrible mother, Cole leads a relatively normal life. [[Cole Smithey E-mails|Cole's emails to Chris]] revealed a lot of information about the Chandler family.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Life==&lt;br /&gt;
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===Childhood===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Incomplete|[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]|[[Operation Snowball]]|[https://cheunderground.site/there-to-here-cole-smithey-smartest-film-critic-in-the-world/#more-10309 Cole Smithey bio interview from Che Underground]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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File:1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license.jpeg|Barb and Ran's marriage license.&lt;br /&gt;
File:1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce.jpeg|The divorce.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:RanColemanYeatts-WakeForestHowler1961.png|Cole's [[TRUE and HONEST]] biological father, Ran Coleman Yeatts, from the 1961 Wake Forest yearbook. Notice the physical similarity.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Cole Smithey's family tree.png|Cole's family tree&lt;br /&gt;
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In his article [[Saturday Night Special]], Cole recounts his coming to age. This includes a particular event where Barbara fires a loaded gun at a steel door to ward off a burglar, the resulting ricochet of which almost striking young Cole in the head. These events have obviously had a lasting impression on him.  It is also suggested he collected comics as a hobby and was a big fan of [[wikipedia:Kiss (band)|Kiss]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===California (1980-96)===&lt;br /&gt;
Cole left home in 1980 at the age of 16 or 17 and moved to California.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-1.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Not long after moving, he had a sinus infection which came close to killing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Rental House Tour]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; This was the first of at least two near-death encounters in his life. Cole's LinkedIn profile states that he attended [[wikipedia:San Diego State University|San Diego State University]] from 1981 and earned a Dramatic Art degree in Music in 1984.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cole-smithey/a/125/9aa&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; While at college he was the drummer for a [[wikipedia:Poway, California|Poway]]-based punk rock band called &amp;quot;The Rockin' Dogs&amp;quot; which played shows in the San Diego area. The band was formed in 1981 and broke up in 1985.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.sandiegoreader.com/bands/rockin-dogs/ The Rockin' Dogs | San Diego Reader]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole later moved to Northern California. At some point he attended [[wikipedia:Hartnell College|Hartnell College]] and [[wikipedia:San Francisco City College|San Francisco City College]], where he pursued a similar course of study. His LinkedIn profile does not mention him receiving a degree from either school.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.linkedin.com/pub/cole-smithey/a/125/9aa&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In July 1989 the Chandler household, including Chris, flew to San Francisco to celebrate Cole's 26th birthday. This was the only time they came to visit him during his entire 16-year tenure in California. By 1994, still in San Francisco, Cole was doing shows as &amp;quot;Cole Blooded&amp;quot; and had apparently shifted to the guitar.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 1996 he moved to New York.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-1.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Present===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|As the story goes, human boy Andy (voiced by John Morris) is off to [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|college]], and must finally put away [[List of toys|childish things]] — something most boys do before junior high. [[Autism|Talk about arrested development]] — [[Attraction Sign|this kid isn't getting any dates]].|Cole in his infamous ''Toy Story 3'' review, quite clearly seeing Chris in Andy.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2010/06/toy-story-3.html Toy Story 3 - ColeSmithey.com]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
Cole currently lives in Manhattan and is a film critic who is featured on Rotten Tomatoes.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.rottentomatoes.com/critic/cole-smithey/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He was mentioned in ''Time'' magazine for being the first critic to give a negative review to ''Toy Story 3'', breaking the ''Toy Story'' franchise's string of perfect scores on RT.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://newsfeed.time.com/2010/06/19/can-147-critics-be-wrong-meet-the-two-pundits-who-trashed-toy-story-3/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Several years later, in an interview with Arthur Spatchcock, Chris stated that he disagreed with his brother's review even though he hadn't seen the film.&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole occasionally hosts [[eBay]] auctions for the winning bidder to spend a night with him drinking craft beer at his wife's bar and talking about film, proving that, despite one half-brother being a pretentious wannabe hipster douchebag and the other being a socially-stunted mentally-ill manchild, they both share the same [[Chris and his ego|bloated ego]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.ebay.com/itm/Drink-Craft-Beer-in-NYC-with-Film-Critic-Cole-Smithey-/291052352033?hash=item43c4127221&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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He brands himself as &amp;quot;The Smartest Film Critic in the World&amp;quot;. (A title that the late, esteemed film critic {{w|Roger Ebert}} once mocked.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.colesmithey.com/filmblog/2009/04/my-dialogue-with-roger.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;) Cole regularly posts his reviews to YouTube, but his videos have hilariously low view counts, rarely more than a few hundred per video and sometimes not even more than a few ''dozen'', even on reviews of well-known films. Ironically, the various videos Chris posted to YouTube over the years are literally thousands of times more popular than those of his relatively more successful brother. It probably doesn't help matters that Cole Smithey's videos have rather low production values, and negative reviews of well-received films (like ''Toy Story 3'' and ''Lady Bird'', which we will get to). On a sidenote, he also considers ''Freddy Got Fingered'' (a film often considered to be one of the worst of all time) [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JUuAhFVlk4 to be &amp;quot;Classic Cinema&amp;quot;].&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Squote|''Wild Strawberries'' is a thematically abundant film that fluidly condenses a lifetime's worth of experience into succinct cinematic fragments under Ingmar Bergman's complex construction of abstract corollaries.|An example of Cole Smithey's obsession with big words&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2014/07/wild-strawberries.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;|3=}} &lt;br /&gt;
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By [[March 2007]], Cole was in a relationship with a woman named Katherine (no, not [[Catherine|her]]).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Email&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; This is most likely the same Katherine he married in [[March 2013]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;JohnKyleVid&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7aitxArbd0o John Kyle - Three Love Songs at Katherine and Cole's Wedding] (retrieved on 24 February 2014)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Given that Cole mentioned an earlier wedding during his correspondence with Chris, it appears that Katherine is his second wife, unless the &amp;quot;wedding&amp;quot; in 2013 was actually a renewal of vows.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Email&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;. His brother-in-law, John Kyle, sang at his wedding. John later commented on [[Message for John Kyle]], where he mentions Cole.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He's a great guy. He's my brother in law, and he's never mentioned Chris to me. I think he's doing his best to distance himself from this. You all should too.|John Kyle&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Message for John Kyle]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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According to an article written by his friend, syndicated cartoonist {{w|Ted Rall}}, Cole once came close to death from {{w|Necrotizing fasciitis|necrotizing fasciitis}} after an ER nurse made a misdiagnosis,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2014/10/06/commentary/world-commentary/emergency-rooms-live-gunshot-wounds/#.VR7L5vnF-So&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and believes that 2016 presidential candidate Bernie Sanders' rise can be attributed to the &amp;quot;failure of propaganda&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion/2016/01/22/commentary/world-commentary/sanders-rise-fueled-by-the-failure-of-propaganda/#.Vq1dJrIrI8o&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole has co-hosted a free weekly podcast called LA GRANDE BOUFFE (THE BIG FEAST)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/la-grande-bouffe-the-big-feast/id1120760479?mt=2&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; since 23 April 2016.&lt;br /&gt;
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In December 2017, Cole repeated his ''Toy Story'' trick by being the first critic to give ''{{w|Lady Bird (film)|Lady Bird}}'' a negative review, ruining its perfect 100% Rotten Tomatoes score from 196 previous reviewers. Cole added fuel to the firestorm of criticism he received by admitting to spoiling the film's score on purpose.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://thenextweb.com/opinion/2017/12/14/film-critic-spoiled-lady-birds-perfect-rotten-tomatoes-score-basically-admits-hes-troll/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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On 30 September 2020, Cole allegedly sent flowers to Barb for her 79th birthday. Many people believe, however, that it wasn’t actually Cole, but a [[ween]] pretending to be him. After the flowers were received, Chris made a video, showing Barb’s gratitude for the flowers, and claiming that in Dimension C-197, Cole and Iron Man hang out a lot, and that he’ll get to meet Batman in New Jersey when the Dimensional Merge happens.&lt;br /&gt;
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It remains unknown how Cole reacted to the news that Chris was committing [[Affair with Mother|incest]] with Barb, except for the fact that he stopped allowing [[Twitter]] users to reply to his tweets and deleted one tweet from [[July 2021]] which had been flooded with replies about incest.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Identity of Father==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Incomplete|[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relationship with Barbara and Bob==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|Let me know when that fuck Bob finally drops.|Cole Smithey, &amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Email&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Bobcomes home copy.jpg|thumb|left|250px|A likely summary for Bob and Cole's relationship.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|thumb|Cole smiles alongside [[Barbara]] on Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole was not on good terms with [[Bob]] or [[Barbara]]. According to Cole, Bob worked his &amp;quot;bitter influence&amp;quot; on Barbara to separate her from Cole. He has &amp;quot;never met a meaner or more reprehensible Republican cur than Bob Chandler.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Email&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; In multiple emails to Chris, Cole asks to be informed when Bob dies so he can celebrate.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Email&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Barbara visited Cole only once in 27 years, whereas Cole had made special effort to visit her several times. Cole's wife's family treats him more like family than his own. Chris has [[Message for John Kyle|complained]] that Cole is ignoring Barb's attempts to get in touch with him. It would seem that Cole has left his mother to her own devices. As the [[Financhu Crisis]] progressed, Barb has seemingly expressed interest in meeting Cole, although it's not clear if this is to try to mooch off of her son or if she wants to try to bond with him before she croaks.&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course, Cole would do well not to bother with Chris and Barb's (dubious) pleas for a visit, given Barb's history of manipulation and dishonesty (such that he even once [[Cole Smithey E-mails|referred to her actions as &amp;quot;pathological behaviour&amp;quot;]]), not to mention her history of abusing him during his formative years. &lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after [[Bob_Chandler#Later_life.2C_poor_health_and_death|Bob's death]] on 6 [[September 2011]], a troll on [[/cow/|789chan]] contacted Cole using the phone number he provided in his [[Cole Smithey E-mails|leaked emails]]. In spite of his vitriol towards Bob three years prior, he was apparently quite broken up by the news. While Cole was certainly upset at Bob, his reaction to Bob's actual death shows that he ultimately did sympathize with him. While no audio of this call has ever been released, its existence is confirmed by those who browsed the board at the time.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[CWCki Forums posts (other users)#Cole's reaction to Bob's death]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://archive.is/kHrWN A TinyChat thread posted days after Bob's death, confirming the call's existence. (Post &amp;quot;#134,774&amp;quot;)Anonymous A&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Relationship with Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:26 June 2016 Cole Smithey drawing.jpeg||thumb|left|200px|Depicted burning his money instead of giving it to Chris, as drawn by Chris in June 2016. Note in the picture it says &amp;quot;mother and [[Transgender|sister]]&amp;quot;.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Ironically, for much of his life Cole has actually gotten along much better with Chris than with either Bob or Barb, and possibly better than with any of his other direct relatives. Then again, when you don't actually know ''who'' your paternal relatives are, you have to take what you can get.&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole was not around when Chris was growing up. Being nineteen years older, he was in California making a life for himself. Cole said that Barbara and Bob neglected Chris for years with the [[abusive babysitter]], which suggests that he believes that Chris's muteness in early life was their fault. When he was eventually able to speak again around age seven, Chris visited Cole in San Francisco along with Barb.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Rental House Tour#Time to go]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; This is the only time Chris has ever been on an airplane,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mumble 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; the only time he had ever been to the West Coast of the United States and one of the few times that he has left [[Virginia]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole's relationship with his family became somewhat closer after he moved back to the East Coast in 1996. He came to visit them in Virginia on various occasions, although they never visited him in New York. For New Year's Day [[1998]] Chris gave Cole a [[Lego]] Band Stand and wished him a &amp;quot;Rocking New Year&amp;quot;. However, in [[1999]], on a [[Spanish]] exercise, Chris described &amp;quot;Cole the Beedrill&amp;quot; as ''muy feo'' (very ugly), suggesting relations had strained, probably because of Barb (although he may also have been referring to the aspect of the actual Pokémon species).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Manchester High Leaks]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Nevertheless, Cole visited for Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday party]] in [[2000]]. Later in the same year, for Cole's 37th birthday, Chris made him ''A CD For Cole Smithey!''. Naturally, the present had little to do with Cole and everything to do with Chris, even featuring a picture of Chris on the cover.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0468-CWC&amp;amp;JCS.jpg|thumb|300px|The half-brothers hold their hands the same way on Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The last time they set eyes on each other was at the 2004 Weston family Christmas party.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 27]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Catherine#The_bowling_outing]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[July 2007]], Chris sent an e-mail asking for Cole's vote in the [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|''PaRappa'' contest]]. In return, Cole asked Chris to find out the truth about his father from Barbara. The timing of this request was probably not a coincidence, as Ran Coleman Yeatts had died a month prior.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ United States Social Security Death Index]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris did ask his mother about it, but she maintained her version of the story (It's unclear why Cole expected anything else). Chris was more interested in the ''PaRappa'' contest than his brother's plight, showing just how self-absorbed he truly is (though in Chris's defense, getting involved in an awkward quarrel about parentage is a pretty odd price for a simple upvote on a video). This resulted in Cole becoming even more bitter towards both Chris and Barbara. Suffice to say, Cole did not vote for Chris. To date, these remain the last known communications between the half-brothers as Cole probably distanced himself even further from Chris since only a couple of months later, [[The GAMe PLACe#The GAMe PLACe Photograph|the GAMe PLACe photograph]] was posted onto 4chan, thus beginning Chris's infamy on the internet.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a leaked e-mail sent to Jackie on 14 May 2011, Chris wrote that Cole &amp;quot;has had mental problems since he hit his head on a bus, and has taken it out heavily on our mother.&amp;quot; Some argue the story could be a lie Barbara told Chris to explain Cole's bitterness towards her while masking the issue that actually caused it.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cole and Others Miis.png|thumb|right|300px|Cole (far right) as a [[Sonichu Amiibo|Mii]] in one of Chris's [[Super Smash Bros. Videos]], ''Family Needs to appreciate Family'']]&lt;br /&gt;
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In recent years Chris has made numerous efforts to get in touch with Cole, to no avail. In [[October 2013]] he told his friend [[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails|Rebeckah]], &amp;quot;I have no confirmed or direct contact with him in NY; he doesn't respond to email, twitter feed, Facebook, YouTube, etcetera, either. So, I am most unable to reach him at all.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails#Chris has scabies too]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; On 22 [[June 2013]], Chris attempted to contact Cole via video. He recorded a message directed to John Kyle,&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Message&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Message for John Kyle]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Cole's brother-in-law, who sang at his wedding (Kyle would later reveal that, until the video was brought to his attention by a troll, he had not even known that his sister's husband had a half-brother).&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;JohnKyleVid&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; Chris expressed anger at Cole for not inviting him and Barb to his wedding. He also claimed that relatives, including [[Jerry Harmon]] and [[Jack Dale Smithey]], had been lying to Cole about Barb, making him believe that Barb was abusive, when according to Chris, she's a good person. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the same month, Chris tried to [[2009-2016 tweets#29 June 2013|communicate with Cole]] on [[Twitter]], basically telling him to come back home so he could [[White_knights#Chris_cares_only_for_himself|dump his familial responsibilities on him]] and go on his [[Sweetheart Search]]. He also suggested that Cole had some mental/physical problems of his own ''(even talking down to him at one point)'' right before activating the &amp;quot;Playing for Sympathy&amp;quot; card, lamenting his time in jail. &lt;br /&gt;
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In [[August 2015]], Chris [[August 2015 Facebook Posts#Please Take Care Of Barb So I Can Go Out And Have Sex With Hot Lesbians|tried yet again]] to reach out to Cole, this time through [[Facebook]], hoping that a flurry of hashtags would work their magic. In [[November 2015]] he returned to [[YouTube]] with a [[Family Needs to appreciate Family|video]] depiction of a battle in which Chris and his allies face off against Cole, [[David Alan Chandler|his other step-brother]], and his [[Carol Suzanne Chandler|step-sister]] in ''Super Smash Bros.''. &amp;quot;OUR Mother is Still Alive; I REALLY want you to make amends and get close, once again, to her before Her time runs out&amp;quot;, he wrote in the description. The following day he arranged a [[Sonichu and Rosechu figure collection toy battle!|similar fight]] among his [[Amiibo]] figurines and angrily accused Cole of being possessed by the spirit of [[Count Graduon]]. He posted an image of his Cole Amiibo on Facebook. In this spat of postings Chris attempts to appear concerned about Cole not being around for their mother's twilight years, thinly veiling his [[Monthly Tugboat|real concerns]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris has two explanations for this falling-out with his half-brother, both fed to him by Barb. First, Cole has been entirely misled about Barb's character by the lies of other family members. &amp;quot;She is the opposite of what hate they filled Cole's head with&amp;quot;, Chris asserts.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails#Chris has scabies too]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Second, Cole's &amp;quot;mental problems&amp;quot; caused by his childhood injury mean that he has &amp;quot;taken it out heavily on our mother&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 26]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &amp;quot;Lord Knows What Else goes on through his head&amp;quot;, Chris has concluded, demonstrating that more than anything else, Cole is almost entirely unknown to Chris. For the most part, the main trait Chris seems to be aware of regarding his half-brother is that he has a career and makes a living. This, in traditional Chris fashion, means opportunity and progressively his attempts to reach out have more and more focused on Cole financially supporting Chris and Barb, returning Chris to the idyllic balance he enjoyed with Bob as the responsible man in the house.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[June 2016]], Chris posted a Facebook rant about Cole alleging that he and his wife spend two thousand dollars a month on rent for an apartment &amp;quot;a few buildings down East 90th from Carnigee [''sic''] Hall&amp;quot; and that he once lived at Carnegie Hall itself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2016 Facebook posts]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In reality, [[wikipedia:Carnegie Hall|Carnegie Hall]] is not near East 90th Street, and nobody lives ''at'' Carnegie Hall—it's a concert hall, not an apartment building. East 90th Street actually passes through [[wikipedia:Carnegie Hill|Carnegie ''Hill'']], a neighborhood on Manhattan's Upper East Side. This lack of research didn't stop Chris from depicting his half-brother as having money to &amp;quot;[[Chris and hypocrisy|piss and burn]]&amp;quot; while simultaneously [[Lego|begging]] [[Transformers|him]] [[PlayStation 4|for]] [[Chris and money|money]].&lt;br /&gt;
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In May 2017, Chris mocked Cole on Twitter, stating [[Chris and hypocrisy|&amp;quot;Oh my gosh, my half brother is suddenly begging for money now&amp;quot;]]. This was in response to Cole asking his fans to pledge money to him on Patreon in a since-deleted video, suggesting he has also [[Financhu Crisis|hit rock bottom]]. Chris said he would pledge to him, but he still hasn't apologized or made up with Barb. Ironically, in screencaps obtained from [[Night Star]] by the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], Chris would accidentally reveal the fact that he indeed tried to pledge to him but Cole had long since blocked him, making it clear once again that he really wanted nothing to do with his old life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[CWCSonichu-NightStar2891 DMs]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In December 2017, Chris wanted to drive to New York to confront Cole. He tried to channel his Sonichu power to conjure up Cole's address but was unsuccessful and did not attempt to make the trip.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. [[Joshua Wise]] discouraged Chris from doing this, leading to him dropping the idea.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Certificate of Authenticity with Barb's signature.jpg|thumb|A certificate sent to anyone who bought Cole's stuff]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris began offering pieces of Cole's belongings for sale via [[eBay]] in March 2018, mostly his comic books. He placed great value in the fact that these comic books belonged to Cole, supposedly seeing him as some sort of celebrity, even referring to him as his mantle 'The World's Smartest Film Critic'. He even went so far as to make certificates that confirmed that these comic books belonged to Cole. &lt;br /&gt;
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On 30 [[September 2020]], Barb received a bouquet of flowers for her birthday, ostensibly from Cole (although it is more likely from a [[ween]]). Chris ([[Spirit possession#Sonichu|while roleplaying as Sonichu]]) recorded a video of Barb thanking Cole, before turning the camera back to himself and informing Cole that he (Cole) had been hanging out with various superheroes from Marvel and DC, and encouraging Cole to get back into contact with Chris via his publicly available cell phone number.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[To Cole Smithey, from Barb, and Sonichu (Prime)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==&amp;lt;span id=&amp;quot;Professor Cole&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;Cole in the comics==&lt;br /&gt;
Throughout the original run of [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'']], Cole was only referenced in the [[CWCipedia]] profile for [[Rosechu]] as &amp;quot;Professor Cole&amp;quot;, assumed to be a version of Cole Smithey, listed as the one who gave [[Kel]] the {{w|Pichu|Pichu}} who would become Rosechu. Chris later marketed a custom Amiibo depicting Cole as a [[Jerkop]], seemingly foreshadowing his presence as a villain in the CWCville universe. It was not clear for several years whether the original &amp;quot;Professor Cole&amp;quot; character was [[Retroactive continuity in Sonichu|still canon]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole finally appears in [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]] as, indeed, a Jerkop, brainwashed by [[Count Graduon]]. [[Reldnahc]] uses Cole to &amp;quot;distract [Chris] with family&amp;quot; in order to get the drop on him. He is bizarrely depicted as a gray-haired, mustached old man with a trilby. Comic Chris immediately identifies him as his brother [[Chris and writing|despite Cole never appearing in the comic before]], made all the more confusing by the same battle also featuring Chris's imaginary [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|sister]] and [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc|evil twin]].&lt;br /&gt;
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In 2019, Chris confirmed that Cole was the Pokémon Professor during 2003, but stated his &amp;quot;methods and ideals were varied&amp;quot;, and his work was &amp;quot;faltering&amp;quot; by 2005, leading to his demotion in favour of a smoking-hot graduate whose body Chris describes in vivid detail. A year later, he &amp;quot;quite&amp;quot; and moved to New York to become a full-time movie reviewer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2019 social media posts#CWCVille's Pokemon Professor]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Jerry&amp;amp;ColeWithPlane.jpg|Young Cole with his stepdad [[Jerry Harmon]] with a plane.&lt;br /&gt;
File:JerryBarb&amp;amp;ColeDisasterHeadquarters.jpg|Jerry, young Cole &amp;amp; Barbara at a backstage of &amp;quot;Disaster Headquarters&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
File:JerryBarb&amp;amp;Cole.jpg|King Karnak, Barbie &amp;amp; Cole, of [[Operation Snowball]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:ColeSkating.png|1977 - Teenage Cole skateboarding around the [[University of Virginia]].&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Colesmithyrockingdogs.jpg|1984 - Cole playing drums.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0425-CwcvilleBandStand2.jpg|Chris's gift to Cole in [[1998]]&lt;br /&gt;
Image:045-ColeCD.jpg|''A CD For Cole Smithey!''&lt;br /&gt;
Image:046-ColeCDIn.jpg|As if Barbara had any involvement with the CD.&lt;br /&gt;
File:ColePostcardB.jpg|Postcard Cole sent to Barbara in [[1994]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:ColePostcardA.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:Cole Amiibo.jpg|Cole as a [[Jerkop]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:26 June 2016 Cole Smithey drawing.jpeg&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sources==&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.colesmithey.com ColeSmithey.com]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://ghostarchive.org/archive/mDT18 Cole at Rotten Tomatoes]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/colesmithey/ Cole's YouTube channel]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.linkedin.com/pub/cole-smithey/a/125/9aa LinkedIn page]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Family Members]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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== Classification ==&lt;br /&gt;
How would you classify her in the Unholy Tetrad? She obviously has weenish and A-Loggy elements about her. [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 06:56, 14 August 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
*I saw some sort of political compass looking thing for all 4 of them, which I think is a much better model than the one we currently have. I'll have to go find it first. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 04:43, 15 August 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Planned Article Order ==&lt;br /&gt;
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So with the way things are right now. I am currently hoping for the article to go in this order:&lt;br /&gt;
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*Introduction to Bella (Introductory Paragraphs)&lt;br /&gt;
*Bella meeting Chris (&amp;quot;The Beginning of the End&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
*Major Players (&amp;quot;The Everfree Suitress&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Related People&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
** I feel the Suitress warrants her own section just for how involved she was with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
*The Incest Leaks (&amp;quot;Response to the Incest&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
** I feel this should come after the former, as many of the major players mentioned were somehow involved with twisting up what really happened (Including fabricating an entire set of BDSM sessions between Chris and Barb), and the Suitress was ultimately the one that leaked the incest calls.&lt;br /&gt;
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Feel free to make further suggestions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 04:44, 16 August 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:* I think the 'Major Players' section can be dissolved and integrated with other sections. It could be moved in between the intro and the scandal section itself, without drawing so much attention to non-CWC matters. A section where it describes how Bella assembled lackies like the Suitress and/or Sean would fit very well right before it gets into the main scandal, and flow a lot better than how it does now.&lt;br /&gt;
::Additionally, the GiBi section exclusively talks about things that could be covered in 'Aftermath,' and honestly would lend a lot of clarity to the latter section if it were moved there. This whole article has taken form pretty well, but it would be vastly improved by more chronological order.&lt;br /&gt;
::As for Sean himself, I'm not totally sure about his place here. See [[Talk:Watchmen#Sean_Walker|here]] for more of my thoughts on him. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:07, 12 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Top quote ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I noticed the top quote was edited out by a user that didn't personally feel it fit, to prevent an edit war can we have a vote or something? &lt;br /&gt;
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Or maybe suggestions for a better fitting one to summarize this person?&lt;br /&gt;
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I added the quote back in for the moment since many people seemed fine with it but I wont rage if people don't want it there. [[User:Necromaster|Necromaster]] ([[User talk:Necromaster|talk]]) 22:03, 29 August 2021‎ (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: My objection was mostly about the fact that the top of this page has ''five different'' huge objects covering the screen before the reader can even read the infoboxes. That's more than half the screen on my display. Aesthetically, it's a mess. Some of these (Split Off, Ongoing) will be deleted after time, but it's still gonna be really cluttered.&lt;br /&gt;
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: I don't really think a 'reaction image'-like quote from a figure completely unrelated to CWC is so important that it should be included even if it makes the article a mess visually, and it gets kind of close to what [[User:Cleftpalete|Cleftpalete]] called 'dustbunnying.' I think a quote from someone actually involved with the drama would fit better than this, but again, my main problem is just what it does to the layout. I'd be open to moving the quote to another part of the article, like the section on the incest scandal specifically, if it fits better there.  --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:18, 12 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== ILJ Timeline ==&lt;br /&gt;
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To start off with this, the plan will be to add all of the known events between 7/19-8/4-5 should be added to this article. This was roughly around the time where Sean and Bella conspired for the Everfree Northwest stuff. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:25, 9 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Sean Walker ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Watchmen]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. &lt;br /&gt;
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My full proposal and discussion is on the [[Talk:Watchmen#Sean_Walker|Watchmen talk page]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:24, 12 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Carboncoffee99 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I may be wrong, but isn't Carboncoffee99 the same person as the WCT? I don't see why that requires a new section. It says so on [[:File:LainchuUncut.jpg|this image description]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:13, 13 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Carboncoffee99 is actually my account. I had it made because I wanted to add to the Watchmen page but didn't want to do it with my main since it involved leaking some info from their Discord group. It was assumed that Carboncoffee99 is a Bella associate because she and her friend talked about an email contact named &amp;quot;coffee&amp;quot;; I've never talked to them. I made up the Carboncoffee99 name only for use as a CWCki account. And it wasn't done to hide the involvement of anyone - just to point out there were four different Lainchus (one of them had not been mentioned in the CWCki at that point, so I felt that leaving out the username didn't change the available information). Sorry about all the confusion. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:30, 18 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Does Louis Herz really need his own section? ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I'm aware he played a vital role in exposing Bella, but isn't it policy that the sections on her collaborators should be solely about how they relate to Chris? As far as I can tell, he has almost zero bearing on Chris's life. I think the offhand mention I give in the Aftermath section is enough. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:19, 25 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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: That was actually the reason I commented the section out. I wasn't sure where he should be mentioned. He should be mentioned due to being a key factor of Bella's exposure, but I wasn't sure if he warrented a subsection in &amp;quot;Associates&amp;quot;. Thanks for the suggestion all the same.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17:49, 25 September 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Removal of the &amp;quot;Associates&amp;quot; section entirely ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Over the last few months, editors have slowly chipped away at the &amp;quot;Associates&amp;quot; section of the page, and now there's only two entries left - both of whom now have [[Sean Walker|their own]] [[The Suitress|articles]] anyway. If no one objects, I'm just going to completely remove the &amp;quot;Associates&amp;quot; section, and incorporate the relevant parts of it into the timeline in chronological order. For example, I might add new subsections about the Everfree Northwest plot under &amp;quot;Early Interactions&amp;quot; and introduce who the Suitress is there. The page will still link to WCT's and the Suitress's main pages at opportune times so readers can still find the relevant information, and no content is actually lost.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is a pretty big restructuring, so I just wanted to make sure no one objects before I do anything. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 21:49, 1 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I say go for it, especially since everyone worth documenting now has their own page, and GiBi just gets a mention in the Post-Merge page.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:56, 1 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reducing suicide speculation ==&lt;br /&gt;
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On this article, as well as in [[Suitress]] and [[Sean Walker]], there are lines speculating that a suicide plot is connected to some event or person. In this article, it discusses the fake BDSM text and speculates this is connected to a suicide plot; in the Suitress page, it discusses Bella saying she would record Chris and Suitress, then speculates about suicide; in the Sean page, it speculates that he knew of a suicide plot.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think such speculation should be removed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:14, 4 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:The plot is pretty much confirmed for Chris, Bella wanted him to do that. I guess the connections to it are more wonky. We ought to weed that out.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 03:20, 4 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Extortion ==&lt;br /&gt;
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There's a line that says, &amp;quot;It was later revealed that she extorted him out of significant sums of money required for Barb's care.&amp;quot; But the source goes to a Kiwi Farms post of someone speculating, &amp;quot;The plan may have been to empty the money which had been put aside for Chris's mother's care&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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There's also a line saying Chris didn't have money as he's $200 in debt, which I think can be trimmed - his debt is more than that, and his tugboat still comes in anyway.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another source on the extortion subject points to a Kiwi Farms thread which references [https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/animalabuse-png.2427826/ this image]. In it, Bella claimed to have &amp;quot;hacked&amp;quot; into Chris's bank account and stolen money, and &amp;quot;got free trips and got him to join a cult and mlp porn on kiwi farms and fly [to florida]&amp;quot;. And also to have had some plot to have Chris pay her for sympathy.&lt;br /&gt;
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Is there proof that this happened outside of what Bella claimed? Chris hadn't been begging for money much during the time Bella had influence which seems to be 2020-2021, in contrast to his frequent begging during the Idea Guys' extortion scheme. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:20, 6 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think this was part of the reason as to why Chris had illegally taken money from Barb after the incest calls were leaked. It seems likely that's what happened, but I guess we need better citations to confirm this. For now, just put a cite template there.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 10:45, 6 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Maybe add an &amp;quot;extortion plot&amp;quot; section and quote what she said in the Discord cap? Or a combined &amp;quot;extortion/suicide plot&amp;quot; section. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:35, 6 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Everfree plot ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The citation for the plot goes to the Kiwi Farms ILJ Summary Thread, and it's mentioned on Item 11 in the list. But according to the citations on Item 11, Bella talks about the Everfree dance and says she'll be photographing. Not seeing a mention of recording sex. Also, how much influence did she have on Suitress and Chris? There's another line in this article that says the Suitress formed a crush organically on Chris, and in the Item 11 citations there's a cropped image of a DM from Chris where he says he talked to [Suitress] about the idea of sex. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:45, 8 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Citation 11 is from a snippet of an article from a decade ago, where it describes the Suitress's autism diagnosis. I think the sex tape thing may have been more an assumption by people when Bella said she'd record &amp;quot;everything&amp;quot;. I'll remove mentions of this, as this seems to be an overplayed take on what she said.&lt;br /&gt;
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::Oh, by Item 11 I meant the ILJ Summary Thread on Kiwi Farms. It's a list of stuff about Bella and #11 mentions Everfree. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:00, 8 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::I think there's some degree of validity to the &amp;quot;sex tape&amp;quot; though, Bella said on a few occasions she was sexually attracted to the Suitress. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:09, 8 October 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Rewrite ==&lt;br /&gt;
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How much of this really happened?&lt;br /&gt;
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The article's protip notes that Bella is a habitual liar. Yet most of the article's text takes her words at face value. We should try to separate what she actually did from what she claimed to have done. Maybe a section for &amp;quot;Edgelord persona&amp;quot; or something could be made to place the stuff she claimed. Also, I think the line promoting the ED article should be cut, we shouldn't advertise for another site. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Yeah, I think the article needs a massive rewrite, considering what is actually put in there. What Bella has really done is kind of hazy at best, and everyone involved pretty much tried to blame one another for different things.[[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 22:44, 22 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I say we keep the protip though, since it's a pretty crucial factor to take into account for discussing her.[[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 23:05, 22 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Agree. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:21, 23 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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Some stuff that seems questionable... the paragraph of ''sadistic personal life was exposed not long after Kiwi Farms doxxed her'' is missing citations or seems to be based on things she herself claimed (animal abuser)... The fetish stuff seems like a toss-up, it could be legit or  she might just be claiming it for shock value... The paragraphs about her suicide-pushing cult claim with certainty that she did those things yet the Kiwi Farms reference given only says she &amp;quot;potentially&amp;quot; did, and the references to the KF posting leads to stories that are only tangentially related... the suicide/extortion plot is based on her own claims and the way she describes it makes no sense - so is that legit or is it just bullshit she claims for shock value? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:18, 23 December 2021 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Dog ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The conclusion section has this line:&lt;br /&gt;
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:Eventually, Bella herself was doxed, not in small part due to one of Bella's own friends, '''Louis Herz''', posting an image of Bella’s mistreated rescue dog.&lt;br /&gt;
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However [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/97621 the citation] points to a post that doesn't seem to contain the word dog. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:53, 13 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:When Spooky Bones made the OP of the original ILJ thread and collaborated with other KF users, sometime in the mix, her watchdog Max was connected to her identity, because she'd bring him up in certain TTU chats. It's alleged that this dog died under her care. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:01, 13 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Intro ==&lt;br /&gt;
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The article intro says she is &amp;quot;leader of a trolling ring&amp;quot;. What's that based on? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:49, 14 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:This was based on her being the leader of the TTU Chess Club, which in fact involved trolling and bullying people.[[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:57, 14 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I see. Okay, so that's [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/thread-retired-isabella-loretta-janke-bella-the-chris-chan-incest-troll-and-her-clique-of-extremely-sick-people.96787/post-9671283 from this]? I think the intro could be rewritten a bit to specify the TTU Discord and mention that they were saying edgy things there and harassing other students. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Deleting portion of Suicide plot section ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I believe the sentence about &amp;quot;25 April 2020&amp;quot; should be deleted. It's unclear whether or not Bella is referring to Chris Chandler when she made that remark. According to the reference, which is a Kiwi Farms thread, Bella knew at least two people named Chris - a Discord user and her relative. So she could have been talking about either of them.&lt;br /&gt;
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The person who provided the log with her remark alleged Bella was referring to Chris Chan, yet the log itself is inconclusive on who she's talking about. In addition, the April 2020 date does not line up [[July 2021 Watchmen leaks#Bella's account on how she knows Chris|with Bella's statement]] that she got in contact with Chris Chandler in the fall of 2020. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:59, 20 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:While I do agree that the two other &amp;quot;Chrises&amp;quot; should be taken into account, I don't think it's much a surprise things don't align with what she says if we're already going to establish that she lies habitually. Not saying that it isn't one of the other &amp;quot;Chrises&amp;quot;, just that we probably shouldn't be taking Bella's word on this completely at face value. On the same day as she made that statement, she [[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/servers-zip.2416454/ also claimed] to a Chess Club member in the channel &amp;quot;chess&amp;quot; about &amp;quot;trolling&amp;quot; Chris in that same timespan. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:10, 20 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Agree that her word in general is questionable but is there evidence that contradicts that particular claim? Her interactions with Chris do seem to line up with her claim of getting in contact around fall. If other evidence turns up that conclusively shows she was in contact with Chris in Spring 2020, then we could consider readding the &amp;quot;25 April 2020&amp;quot; line, but for now the notion that she was in contact during April seems flimsy. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:32, 20 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Good call, the earliest confirmed interaction with Chris seems to be when she roleplayed as Ashley Hamer of Curiosity, and has also claimed in both instances that she's been doing this for &amp;quot;almost a year&amp;quot; in July of 2021. I can archive that line in my sandbox in case anything else comes up. Bella's whole relation to Chris is very hard to pinpoint, and a lot of the stuff on here is more or less based on things that were being &amp;quot;uncovered&amp;quot; during a pretty crazy time. I still think there's a good enough chance that she was fucking with Chris to some degree if that &amp;quot;trolling&amp;quot; comment to Allen says anything. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:02, 20 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::I can see the section was deleted, but I have to ask though, I don't think we ever fully evaluated the reliability of Zorgoth. He has [https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/cwc3-png.2475545/ claimed to GetInTheRobot (Gunt Gallop on Kiwi Farms) once] that he was in fact referring to Chris Chan, and not the cousin or the other Discord user. I'm not really that sure if there's anything that contradicts Zorgoth either. &lt;br /&gt;
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::::On an unrelated note, I'm not too sure how it's going to sit that we are essentially claiming that as a matter of fact, she has not been confirmed to be a troll, as those kinds of suggestions have been made in other edits. I think that the fact that she only ever mentioned trolling Chris in the Chess Club still makes it a pretty good possibility that she was trying to fuck with Chris. How exactly, I'm still not entirely sure. I'm only on board with the claim that she likely first interacted with Chris later than April because she claimed both on the Watchman server (where the idea of trying to interact with Chris alone warrants a dox to them), and on the Chess Club that she has, and because of the Ashley Hamer roleplay, which happened in October. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:27, 21 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::On Zorgoth's statement, what I think is questionable is that he claimed Bella was speaking about Chris Chan in the chatlog, but the chatlog itself is inconclusive who she's talking about. How then could he know for sure that Bella was speaking about Chris Chan and not the Chrises she knew? Also, yeah, I think the Ashley thing is trollish enough to back up what Bella said about being a troll. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:47, 21 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Everfree ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris [[WCT DMs#Sockness alert|said on 12 July]] that he had asked [[Caden]] if he knew of any Christorians who could help form a posse for &amp;quot;sharing and protection,&amp;quot; then [[WCT DMs#Everfree security|on the next day]] Chris mentioned Bella would be coming with him. Bella subsequently called herself a bodyguard. So since Caden and Bella were associates through [[Praetor]], could Caden have recommended Bella to Chris? Should this be mentioned in the article or is this too tenuous? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:33, 26 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:While it's certainly a possibility, I'd say wait until it's verified, especially when Bella's being discussed. A lot of Christory can get pretty muddled from putting stuff that isn't verified on the articles, and a lot of stuff on her is already pretty muddled. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 04:38, 26 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== TTU Chess Club ==&lt;br /&gt;
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What's planned for the TTU Chess Club section? Is there room to mention the [[Chess Group 15]] server as well? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:33, 29 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Basically, yeah. It's mostly supposed to be talk of the activity of Bella, her allies, and her guests in those servers. Louis and Allen's sections are there because they both show up in multiple chats, and I felt it was necessary to include them for added context. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:35, 29 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Are individual sections for Louis and Allen still needed or it is enough to mention them in the Chess Club paragraph? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:21, 30 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Is Louis's full name necessary? I believe he is referred to as screennames elsewhere on the CWCki - louize / ternarymercury in [[Incest fallout chat leaks]]. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:32, 18 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Just call him &amp;quot;Louis&amp;quot;. He's not really major enough, every other part of the site just calls him that, and to be consistent with just having Allen's first name on there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Merging sections ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Since Bella has commented more than once about wanting harm to befall Chris, I think the section in Early interactions about Bella's A-logging could be split off and merged with the Suicide section, maybe titled &amp;quot;A-logging of Chris&amp;quot;. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:39, 31 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I think make it a sub-section in there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 11:42, 31 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::I also think the sections could be merged because she claims &amp;quot;when I try to tell them to get him to cut it off&amp;quot; which seems like a &amp;quot;plot&amp;quot; in the same vein as the stuff she claimed that's in the Suicide section. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:25, 31 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Yeah, I think there was also a bit where she claims to want Chris to cut his penis off, that should go in the section you're proposing, like with the suicide stuff. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 12:28, 31 January 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Self-assigned roles ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Everfree Northwest section says her roles were self-assigned. However, [[Misc. Chess Club Chats#Photographer|the photographer role appears to be at Chris's request]] and the bodyguard role could be either Chris's or Bella's phrasing, but Chris did know about it. (Suitress says [[Chess Group 15 Chats#Suitress enters Chess Group #15|here]] that &amp;quot;Christine told me that she was going to have people guarding us&amp;quot;) [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:06, 3 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:I thought we agreed that because no on really assigned that role to her, that meant they were self-assigned. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:10, 3 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::It's probable that Chris assigned those roles. Bella said she was &amp;quot;obligated&amp;quot; to follow him around to photograph him. And [[WCT DMs#Sockness alert|on 12 July]], before Chris had found anyone to come with him, he said he was looking to put together a &amp;quot;posse&amp;quot; for &amp;quot;protection&amp;quot;. Then at some point he told the Suitress he's going to have people &amp;quot;guarding&amp;quot; him. I just think we should avoid saying with certainty who assigned the roles and instead quote Bella/Suitress/Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:32, 3 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::Good idea, maybe we shouldn't say that Bella was &amp;quot;assigned&amp;quot; per say. Rather, that she would &amp;quot;act&amp;quot; as those things. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:35, 3 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::::Looks like Chris did assign the bodyguard role. From [[Bella chats#The Selected Few]], Chris said, &amp;quot;You'll also play as a bodyguard and watch person, similar to Link's Navi, unless you feel able to do physical work in defense as well.&amp;quot; [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:51, 19 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Reaction during Incest Call ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In the Incest Scandal section it currently says &amp;quot;she didn't discourage him from continuing having sex with his mother&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Bella acted nonchalant throughout, and even supportive at times.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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I think it should be noted that in the [[Incest Call]] she did make a subtle attempt to direct Chris away from Barb. She said:&lt;br /&gt;
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:&amp;quot;But wouldn't you want somebody who's younger? Right? To keep up more with your energy? Yeah.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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:Then starting talking up the Suitress and how he should try for a relationship with her. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Funny thing is, that's actually part of what people based the claim of her planning something on. Because she tried to direct him to the Suitress. Looking back, that could just as well mean a number of things. Though, as stated in the [[CWCki:Gossip|Gossip]] page, the Suitress never directly expressed an interest in being a sweetheart. She just stated she had a crush on him. Plus, Chris came to believe she'd find a long term sweetheart in college anyway. I think that's the primary reason he said no above all else. He's realized how much he's been cockblocked by that point, though apparently not enough to realize that one of her other sweethearts, Bella, was a troll. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:54, 20 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:::Though Suitress did say in [[Incest fallout chat leaks#Discussion of Incest]] after hearing the Call that &amp;quot;He's still in disbelief of his first real sweetheart&amp;quot; and encouraged Bella to &amp;quot;Please tell him to quit her for me&amp;quot; and Bella said she'll try. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:00, 21 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
::::Yeah, I think the latter is worth considering. It does give insight about the Everfree sex, TBH. That she probably told Bella that she wanted to do this, and that Bella didn't convince her. I almost get vibes that she thinks she can save Chris by doing this, or some other naive sounding crap. She talks about being concerned of Chris's well-being in other texts, and tries to state she's not a troll in others. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:38, 21 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Jesus ==&lt;br /&gt;
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It says Bella had a plan to make Chris believe he's Jesus. But in the source quote she says, &amp;quot;yeah but by getting others to tell him theyre jesus and they hate them&amp;quot;. So she's saying others are Jesus, not Chris. While Chris did later believe he is Jesus that seems to have started after the jail saga began. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:51, 26 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Bella's broken English is hard to make out at times. Who do you think &amp;quot;they&amp;quot; are? Maybe an OC or someone else of note? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 12:35, 26 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Looks like she was potentially talking about Barb in that chat. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 12:41, 26 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:::In my opinion it sounds like she was acting like an edgelord. Because the whole thing sounds nonsensical. If she was being serious, &amp;quot;they&amp;quot; could be anything since she said &amp;quot;others&amp;quot; so it doesn't seem like she was going off of Louis's &amp;quot;sacrifice Barb&amp;quot; comment. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:14, 26 February 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Narutoisgay77897 ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Is this confirmed to be Bella? Searching on KF, the earliest post in which a user mentioned that is [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/thread-retired-isabella-loretta-janke-bella-the-chris-chan-incest-troll-and-her-clique-of-extremely-sick-people.96787/post-9631191 here], but the user also hedged by saying, &amp;quot;This is almost certainly her&amp;quot;. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:47, 2 April 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:Maybe comment it out for a bit. We shouldn't include it unless we know for certain it's Bella. I can certainly see cases where people get attacked just because we assume they're Bella. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 15:33, 2 April 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Aliases ==&lt;br /&gt;
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We should have proof these aliases are indeed Bella's. Some of the recent additions to the list need proof. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:22, 1 August 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Claim Vs Joke ==&lt;br /&gt;
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In this article and in some others, the comments [[Allen]] and Bella made about a suicide plan are labeled as a &amp;quot;claim&amp;quot;. However Allen has called those a joke. There's also no proof they were serious about a suicide plan. In this case, calling it a claim seems like loaded language. I think the claim mentions should be revised to say joke, with the source given being Allen's claims on the matter. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:01, 3 May 2023 (EDT)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Louis and Allen ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Personally, I think there should've been a Section for these two as well in this article, I mean even if their direct involvement isn't really that much, they still played a significant role in the whole trolling operation, Not to mention both Louis and Allen was mentioned several times in various other articles on this site and I personally don't think we should just let them scotch free here.&lt;br /&gt;
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My suggestion? I think we should make a &amp;quot;associates&amp;quot; section, similar to the Idea Guys one before it got deleted  --[[User:Goodhoward|Goodhoward]] ([[User talk:Goodhoward|talk]]) 01:30, 18 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User:Goodhoward&amp;diff=318865</id>
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		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User:Goodhoward&amp;diff=318865"/>
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:4rjvG.jpg|thumb|right|I BELIEVE I CAN FLYYYYYY, I BELIEVE I CAN TOUCH THE SKYYYYYYYYYY.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.&lt;br /&gt;
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Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.&lt;br /&gt;
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PS: Todd Howard is good and Gaben is G.O.A.T.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Asian}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{JERK}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Tito}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Snyder}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{LiquidChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Weeaboo}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ClassicChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Observer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Straight}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PS2}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Kiwi Farmer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuys}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.&lt;br /&gt;
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PS: Todd Howard is good and Gaben is GOAT.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Asian}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{JERK}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Tito}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Snyder}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{LiquidChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Weeaboo}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ClassicChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Observer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Straight}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PS2}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Kiwi Farmer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuys}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans */&lt;/p&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
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|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
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|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
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The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
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He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title     = Idea Guy&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 19 &lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. &lt;br /&gt;
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One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
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He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title     = Idea Guy&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 19 &lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Akan&amp;diff=318424</id>
		<title>Talk:Akan</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Akan&amp;diff=318424"/>
		<updated>2024-01-07T13:18:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;==Payday==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the reason why Akan was important in the idea guy saga, if I recall, was because the idea guys got Chris to play Payday 2 wherein there is a Hardcore Henry DLC where you scan clones from one of Akan's labs in Russia. This I feel would be worth mentioning as I doubt Chris knows of the character outside of Payday 2. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 03:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would definitely mention the fact that he was in Payday 2 and that Chris has played the game (I know there is a source for the latter, probably on one of the gaming pages) but unless there is evidence of Chris relating the two, I don't think we should be conjecturing - it could very well be a coincidence. I do recall that there is a tweet somewhere in the social media articles where he finally watched Hardcore Henry long after the fact. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 07:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It's extremely relevant given the Idea Guys' obsession with Payday 2 and how they even turned Alec into a Payday villain. Shit, we might even need to make a Payday article! --[[User:JackBlackStack|JackBlackStack]] ([[User talk:JackBlackStack|talk]]) 20:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Page of the Week! ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just making this entry to say that I'm elated this article got page of the week. I joined the Cwcki wanting to update the Sonichu lore articles and raise awareness of all the insanity that had befallen Cwcville since the Dimensional Merge saga began. I'm really happy to see I achieved my goal and I hope this generates even more interest in Sonichu lore and the insane changes Chris has made to his little world. --[[User:JackBlackStack|JackBlackStack]] ([[User talk:JackBlackStack|talk]]) 20:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Akan as a coping mechanism rewrite?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While this section works well as cap off for the article I'm not sure if it's entirely accurate. Chris hasn't mentioned Akan in years, he sees himself as God, and disregards any inconsistencies with his premonitions as &amp;quot;da merge&amp;quot; rater than any one thing. I'm fairly certain there were a number of reasons Chris &amp;quot;renounced his religion&amp;quot; mostly being his adoption of the Neptunia bullshit and his own preconceived narrative which would evolve into him believing he's Jesus. Also, although it's my opinion, I didn't think Hardcore Henry was mediocre. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 05:14, 28 June 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took out the reference to &amp;quot;mediocre&amp;quot; (either way, it's unprofessional editorialising) and added a small bit about Chris no longer talking about Akan. [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 05:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Merging the Page  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I personally think that we should merge this page with Payday 2's page, I mean given to the fact that it's pretty damn obvious that the only reason how Wise knew about Akan was because the movie that he's in got into a cross-promotion with Payday, and the Payday 2's page....I don't know it just felt too short for me, there isn't really much to add there since compared to let's say, Neptunia, The amount of Payday lore Wise shoved into his mind isn't really that much...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What do you guys think? --[[User:Goodhoward|Goodhoward]] ([[User talk:Goodhoward|talk]]) 21:13, 07 January 2024 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Akan&amp;diff=318423</id>
		<title>Talk:Akan</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Akan&amp;diff=318423"/>
		<updated>2024-01-07T13:14:33Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Merging the Page  */ new section&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;==Payday==&lt;br /&gt;
I think the reason why Akan was important in the idea guy saga, if I recall, was because the idea guys got Chris to play Payday 2 wherein there is a Hardcore Henry DLC where you scan clones from one of Akan's labs in Russia. This I feel would be worth mentioning as I doubt Chris knows of the character outside of Payday 2. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 03:55, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I would definitely mention the fact that he was in Payday 2 and that Chris has played the game (I know there is a source for the latter, probably on one of the gaming pages) but unless there is evidence of Chris relating the two, I don't think we should be conjecturing - it could very well be a coincidence. I do recall that there is a tweet somewhere in the social media articles where he finally watched Hardcore Henry long after the fact. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 07:58, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
It's extremely relevant given the Idea Guys' obsession with Payday 2 and how they even turned Alec into a Payday villain. Shit, we might even need to make a Payday article! --[[User:JackBlackStack|JackBlackStack]] ([[User talk:JackBlackStack|talk]]) 20:48, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Page of the Week! ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Just making this entry to say that I'm elated this article got page of the week. I joined the Cwcki wanting to update the Sonichu lore articles and raise awareness of all the insanity that had befallen Cwcville since the Dimensional Merge saga began. I'm really happy to see I achieved my goal and I hope this generates even more interest in Sonichu lore and the insane changes Chris has made to his little world. --[[User:JackBlackStack|JackBlackStack]] ([[User talk:JackBlackStack|talk]]) 20:47, 24 August 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Akan as a coping mechanism rewrite?==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
While this section works well as cap off for the article I'm not sure if it's entirely accurate. Chris hasn't mentioned Akan in years, he sees himself as God, and disregards any inconsistencies with his premonitions as &amp;quot;da merge&amp;quot; rater than any one thing. I'm fairly certain there were a number of reasons Chris &amp;quot;renounced his religion&amp;quot; mostly being his adoption of the Neptunia bullshit and his own preconceived narrative which would evolve into him believing he's Jesus. Also, although it's my opinion, I didn't think Hardcore Henry was mediocre. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 05:14, 28 June 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:Took out the reference to &amp;quot;mediocre&amp;quot; (either way, it's unprofessional editorialising) and added a small bit about Chris no longer talking about Akan. [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 05:52, 28 June 2022 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Merging the Page  ==&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I personally think that we should merge this page with Payday 2's page, I mean given to the fact that it's pretty damn obvious that the only reason how Wise knew about Akan was because the movie that he's in got into a cross-promotion with Payday, and the Payday 2's page....I don't know it just felt too short for me, there isn't really much to add there since compared to let's say, Neptunia, The amount of Payday lore Wise shoved into his mind isn't really that much...&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
What do you guys think?&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Payday_2&amp;diff=318275</id>
		<title>Payday 2</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Payday_2&amp;diff=318275"/>
		<updated>2024-01-05T12:02:44Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: deleted the stub part and several other small edits, I don't think there's anything else we can add to this article&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;[[File:Payday2cover.jpg|thumb|right|Cover of the game.]]&lt;br /&gt;
'''''Payday 2''''' is a FPS video game developed by Overkill Software and published by 505 Games in 2013. The plot and gameplay revolve around the titular Payday Gang, as they plan robberies and heists on banks, jewelry stores, warehouses and various other targets of high value. '''''Payday: The Heist''''' was the first game in the Payday series, and follows a similar plot. The first Idea Guy. [[Joshua Wise]], was a fan of this series, and as a result, many of the game's plot points were [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwashed]] into [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He briefly played the game at the Idea Guy's request, In which they played several matches together in a Private Server.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris would also play the game alone by his own will sometimes, Before eventually abandoning it due to [[Weens]] who kept joining his server to taunt him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam trolls]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam and Payday]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== List Of Plot Points Brainwashed into Chris ==&lt;br /&gt;
* The Cloaker and Medic Dozer enemies from the game were featured heavily in [[Red Forest]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The Hardcore Henry character [[Akan]] was added to the comic, due to him being featured in Payday 2.&lt;br /&gt;
*When asked by Chris on [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]]'s whereabouts, Idea Guy provided a revised version of the character Bodhi's bio as an answer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The Idea Guy also convinced Chris that one of the people running for new mayor of [[CWCVille]] was Bob McKendrick (a supporting character from Payday 2).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{TV}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Games]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=File:Payday2cover.jpg&amp;diff=318274</id>
		<title>File:Payday2cover.jpg</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=File:Payday2cover.jpg&amp;diff=318274"/>
		<updated>2024-01-05T11:34:28Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: The favorite Vidya of the First Idea guy (Wise). asides from Neptunia Of course.&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;== Summary ==&lt;br /&gt;
The favorite Vidya of the First Idea guy (Wise). asides from Neptunia Of course.&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Payday_2&amp;diff=318233</id>
		<title>Payday 2</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Payday_2&amp;diff=318233"/>
		<updated>2024-01-04T14:48:27Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
&lt;hr /&gt;
&lt;div&gt;{{Stub}}&lt;br /&gt;
'''''Payday 2''''' is a FPS video game published in 2013. The plot and gameplay revolve around the titular Payday Gang, as they plan robberies and heists on banks, jewelry stores, warehouses and more. '''''Payday: The Heist''''' was the first game in the Payday series, and follows a similar plot. The first Idea Guy. [[Joshua Wise]], was a fan of this series, and as a result, many of the game's plot points were [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwashed]] into [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He briefly played the game at the Idea Guy's request, In which they played several matches together in a Private Server.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris would also play the game alone by his own will sometimes, Before eventually abandoning it due to [[Weens]] who kept joining his server to taunt him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam trolls]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam and Payday]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== List Of Plot Points Brainwashed into Chris ==&lt;br /&gt;
* The Cloaker and Medic Dozer enemies from the game were featured heavily in [[Red Forest]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The Hardcore Henry character [[Akan]] was added to the comic, due to him being featured in Payday 2.&lt;br /&gt;
*When asked by Chris on [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]]'s whereabouts, Idea Guy provided a revised version of the character Bodhi's bio as an answer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The Idea Guy also convinced Chris that one of the people running for new mayor of [[CWCVille]] was Bob McKendrick (a supporting character from Payday).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{TV}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Games]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Weens&amp;diff=318231</id>
		<title>Weens</title>
		<link rel="alternate" type="text/html" href="https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Weens&amp;diff=318231"/>
		<updated>2024-01-04T13:14:00Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Examples of weening */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{quote|Are you 6-years-old or somethin'?|[[Bob Chandler]] outsmarting [[BlueSpike|a ween]] attempting to [[prank call]] Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Don’t worry about those weens; you know you are safe around me and [[Polyamorous marriage|my Loves]]. 😊⚡️💙⚡️|Chris, attempting to persuade a fan weens won't hassle them at [[BronyCon]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20200226105210/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/1020049863961120768&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|Encouraging other people to commit serious crimes is classic weenery.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Weening''' or '''failtrolling''' is the act of attempting to troll someone, but ultimately failing at it the whole way through, and not receiving any significant results, typically due to inexperience with lolcow culture. The people that do this are often referred to as '''Weens''' (not to be confused with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ween the alternative rock band]). A corruption of the phrase &amp;quot;epic win&amp;quot;, weens are wannabe [[trolls]] who attempt to recreate the antics of prominent trolls, without being aware that there was much [[Chris and manipulation|manipulation]] behind the scenes to goad Chris into performing for the trolls, and therefore just embarrass themselves.&amp;lt;ref group = &amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;In many cases, the modern, albiet much more controversial, incarnations of prominent trolls have figured this out.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Think we're exaggerating? Maybe some videos will help get the point across.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;{{#ev:youtube|O4mkAw9Be-k}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{#ev:archiveorg|youtube-4yUUi2Qco5Q}}&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Examples of weening==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:epicweentrolling1.jpg|thumb|THIS IS WHAT WEENS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Paying to ween.png|thumb|A ween pays Chris money on livestream in order to post shit he doesn't even read.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ChangeorgGOPony2.jpg|thumb|A ween-made Change.org petition put in Chris's name.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MeanKeanWeenSecondComing.png|thumb|As foreseen, an [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|unclean, less keen ween]] seen bein' like the mean Peen. Obscene, hygiene like a latrine... and most likely a tween.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Furniggersmustdie.jpg|thumb|Typical ween art.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
* Elaborate trolling plans that end up failing.&lt;br /&gt;
* Falsely [[White knight|white-knighting]] Chris to befriend him and get whatever you want out of him. The [[CWCProtectSquad]] is a notorious example of this.&lt;br /&gt;
* Prank-calling Chris. Double dumbass points if it's just to yell &amp;quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY, JULAAAAAAY!]]&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;[[Ian Brandon Anderson|IAN BRANDON ANDERSON]]/[[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|SOMETHING]]!&amp;quot;, or other ancient memes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Prank takeaway deliveries under Chris' name and address. Not only is this just ''unfunny'' for anyone involved (on top of wasting both money and food), but numerous restaurants in Chris's area (namely Papa John's) have blacklisted his address precisely to prevent this.&lt;br /&gt;
* A-Logging. While not all weens are A-Logs and vice versa, the two often overlap. [[A-Logging|A-Log]] himself was as much of a ween as your average A-Log in numerous ways.&lt;br /&gt;
* Enabling Chris's fantastical beliefs. Chris's mind is already fucked up on its own merits, and people such as the Idea Guys have done more than enough in terms of mental damage on him. Once again, please note that although not all weens are enablers and vice versa, they tend to overlap. &lt;br /&gt;
* Making fake [[Facebook]] and [[Twitter]] profiles of people Chris follows. &lt;br /&gt;
* Spamming Chris's Facebook pages with random pictures of his old triggers to try and get a rise out of him; such as of [[pickles]], [[homos]] or [[Sonic]]'s redesign in ''[[Sonic Boom]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
* Scathing e-mails, letters, or social media messages.&lt;br /&gt;
* Butting into conversations Chris is having with other people online, especially if he isn't doing anything particularly wrong at the moment (which is almost 99% of the time). This was sadly way too common with the [[DoopieDoOver]] saga.&lt;br /&gt;
* Attempting to contact people who once interacted with Chris but have since cut off all ties with him ([[Megan]], [[Cole]], [[the Wallflower]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], [[Adam Stackhouse]], [[Michael Snyder]], etc.) and drag them back into the spotlight against their wishes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Terrible fanfiction that &amp;quot;wittily&amp;quot; deconstructs ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' and [[CWCville|where it takes place]] as a saccharine dystopia. Sorry folks, but ''[[Asperchu]]'', ''[[A Girl Who Brought Down the World]]'', ''[[Sonichu the Animated Series|Sonichu: The Animated Series]]'' and ''CWCollateral'' not only '''all''' already did this, but have also milked the concept for everything it's worth; it's time to move on.&lt;br /&gt;
* Terrible fanfiction and fanart that focuses solely on murdering Sonichu characters, as seen in the picture below-right. Double dumbass points if focusing predominantly on the slaughter of [[Sonees and Roseys]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Mass reporting in an attempt to get his social media accounts shut down.&lt;br /&gt;
* Terrible fanart of ''Sonichu'' that attempts to be wittily macabre by making it even more [[Chris and art|grotesque]], [[Episode 21|gory]], or [[Episode 17|perverse]] than it already was.&lt;br /&gt;
* Spouting tired old Chris memes in places where Christorians lurk, or even in places where most of the members don't even know about Chris. Either way, it's very annoying.&lt;br /&gt;
* Making frivolous or exaggerated claims of Chris's misconduct in feedback on sites like [[eBay]] or [[YouTube]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Spoiling Chris's legitimate attempts at doing [[Chris and art|commissions]] and participating in [[Chris and contests|contests]] or e-commerce.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[April 2019 videos#Bonus! LACK OF Glitter Bombing. 🔥Epic Burn!🔥|Sending Chris a glitter bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Sending letters for [[PewDiePie]] to Chris's address.&lt;br /&gt;
* Making [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87AvTrK9Dc terrible rap songs] about Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[TF2 Analysis|Harassing bronies whose content Chris enjoys into blocking him on Twitter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/e3vdae/the_result_of_what_happened_when_i_tried_to/| Re-creating his Wikipedia page as a social experiment.] &lt;br /&gt;
* Spamming his tweets with &amp;quot;Where's the comics?&amp;quot;. He's not going to respond, so don't even try.&lt;br /&gt;
* It may be just plain sad to say, but even telling Chris to &amp;quot;get a job&amp;quot; has become ween lingo.&lt;br /&gt;
* Hacking into Chris's YouTube account to upload a video of someone screaming &amp;quot;JULAAAAY&amp;quot;!&lt;br /&gt;
* Sending letters to Chris to persuade him into saying or doing things while [[Messiah complex|under the belief he is Jesus]].&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jail Letter - 21 October 2021|Translating Ian Brandon Anderson into a writing system Chris doesn’t understand and telling him it’s a blessing in another language.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/49854/post-11683809 Writing a fake letter, claiming it to be sent by Chris in an undisclosed location, and directing it towards another lolcow.]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/10k8nj3/chris_chan_porn_video_gofundme/ Funding a pornographic film about Chris.]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[:File:9zkfdgibmrxa1.png|Leaving one-star reviews on places Chris has visited because Chris visited them.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/15oqgk7/christine_can_still_become_rich_and_live_a/ Suggesting Chris should start an OnlyFans.]&lt;br /&gt;
* Making fake obituaries stating [[Barb]] or any other Christorical figures have died.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Sheetz/On_the_road_Part_II|Chasing down Chris and trying to shove a camera in his face after seeing him in public.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Bringing up [[Affair with Mother|Chris' affair with Barb]] during his livestreams, especially when it has nothing to do with the topic(s). This has already dated to the level of the aforementioned ancient memes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Donating your own money for the sole purpose of flashing messages like &amp;quot;JULAAAAAAY!&amp;quot; And &amp;quot;IAN BRANNAN SOMETHING!&amp;quot; or anything related to the affair on Chris's livestreams.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[December 2023 social media posts#12_Previous_Lives|Telling Chris about his past lives.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Worst of all, [[Chris and the law|breaking the law]] and [[A-Logging#There.27s_no_legal_defense_over_attacking_Chris_for_real|needlessly risking a life-altering criminal record]] in pursuit of lulz. This includes, but is certainly not limited to; vandalizing or trespassing on Chris's [[14 Branchland Court|property]] (which includes egging his house), illegally recording telephone conversations, stalking and harassment of him, his mother and the rest of their extended family, stealing from them, [[Idea Guys|extortion]], or [[Death threats|threatening them]] with violence or even outright murder. This also applies to aiding and/or encouraging other weens or Chris himself to do so. '''We ''really'' shouldn't have to say it at this point, but for fuck's sake, ''DON'T DO ANY OF THIS.'''''&lt;br /&gt;
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== What weening is NOT ==&lt;br /&gt;
As annoying and unhelpful as weening is, the term has ended up being severely misused by much of the CWCsphere, to the point where some consider it to be ''any'' form of interest or interaction at any point with Chris or the world relating to him and his misadventures. As such, it's important to keep in mind what actions are not considered the correct definition of the term:&lt;br /&gt;
* Casual observation and discussion of Chris and his circumstances, in places (such as [[CWCki|this very wiki]], or [[Kiwi Farms]]) where they are permitted and/or actually relevant to the topic at hand.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any trolling plan that actually succeeds to some extent; be it good or bad for Chris, original or cringey, et cetera.&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;About 99.9% of the time, this doesn't happen, so don't bother trying.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Asking [[FAQ|basic, repetitive Chris questions]] as a newbie. Regardless of if it's to do with recent events or those from the Classic Era and such, even the most devoted Christorians had to start somewhere. &lt;br /&gt;
* Coming up with speculative Christory based on past and ongoing events.&lt;br /&gt;
* Making fan media (art, fanfiction, animations, cosplay, etc.) of the [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' series]], so long as it's not excessively perverse, grotesque or intentionally poorly made, and you don't go out of your way to show it to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
* Helping to document and provide information on developments and occurrences in Chris's life as they come. The same goes for any corrections and confirmations (with appropriate evidence) of ambiguous and/or unconfirmed information.&lt;br /&gt;
* Visiting public locations where Chris is well-known to have been or is otherwise associated with; such as the [[Charlottesville Fashion Square]], [[The GAMe PLACe|Gearharts]], [[The End Games]] or [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]]. Of course, this is so long as you don't try to failtroll or otherwise harass anyone for info on Chris. If you do visit these places, consider doing some good out of it as well by supporting them and the local community through donating to (if applicable) and/or purchasing from them. &lt;br /&gt;
* Visiting [[14 Branchland Court]], so long as it doesn't involve illegally trespassing or trying to harass Barb or anyone who resides there.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Arguments against trolling attempts==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:REALChrisChanAndFriends.jpg|thumb|[[The Miscreants]], grateful to get away from all of the weens leeching off their hard work.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, we know what you're thinking. You're not one of those try-hard [[BlueSpike|13-year old boys]] who still think that screaming &amp;quot;'''JULAAAAAY!!!'''&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;'''IAN! BRANNON! SOMETHING!!!'''&amp;quot; at Chris, spamming his Twitter or YouTube comment section with pickles and other outdated catchphrases and memes, making and sending him badly-made parody comics, or trying to re-hash the [[Liquid Chris|Liquid Chris Saga]] is the height of wit. You've come up with a great plan to really get under Chris's skin, bring back the good old days and all that shit. However, &amp;lt;del&amp;gt;while you ''may'' in fact be that guy,&amp;lt;/del&amp;gt; 99.9% of the time, you should just shitcan your trolling plans and move on with your life.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why, you ask?&lt;br /&gt;
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===The Chris of today is nothing like his former self===&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris has gone a long way since his internet debut on the Something Awful Forums. He has gone from a simple-minded man with child-like tendencies that made a bunch of [[Sonichu (comic)|comics which are so bad they're fascinating]], to a jaded, chronically-depressed and mentally-disturbed hippie that’s formed a small doomsday cult around said comics.  &lt;br /&gt;
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It is important to note that Chris, although still very gullible and severely detached from reality, is (debatably) still a thinking person. Whatever gets him riled up nowadays ultimately depends on the time and situation. Therefore, a lot of [[Sonic Boom|the]] [[Pickle|commonly]] [[Homos|associated]] [[Asperger syndrome|triggers]] he may or may not have had some time ago will not necessarily transfer over to the present day.&lt;br /&gt;
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It should also be noted that, because of this change in perspective, trolling hits differently in this day and age than it did before Chris lost his father; which is incidentally the point where most of Chris's most famous trolls opted to leave him alone. The general culture around Chris-Chan himself has changed significantly as well; while past trolls like [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Liquid Chris]] were praised for a time, and are still fondly remembered and respected by those who don't see them as being as bad as Chris, the days of trolling Chris as the heteronormative, egoistical manchild have faded to trolling Chris as a mentally-ill, self-destructive, broken shell of a human being. The only people to really succeed in gaining infamy comparable to the trolls of the Classic Era – such as the [[Idea Guys]] and [[Jacob Sockness]] – are subsequently derided as the perverted, exploitative abusers that they are, rather than treated as internet legends.&lt;br /&gt;
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The irony in all of this is that most trolling attempts no longer phase Chris at all. And those that do somehow succeed are only viewed as [[Enablers|further support for his cult]]. Therefore, you should never expect to be [[The Miscreants|one of the cool kids]] just by failtrolling Chris. Times have changed, so it’s best to move onto better targets. This leads us into the next point.&lt;br /&gt;
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===There are (and always will be) much better targets than Chris===&lt;br /&gt;
If you're willing to put that much effort into trolling Chris, why not make yourself useful and apply that same effort to going after better victims? As much as the CWCki analyses and discusses in detail [[Tomgirl|his]] [[April 16 Fetish Vids|numerous]] [[Semen|odd]] [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|behaviors]] and [[Chris and his Ego|per]][[Chris and reality|son]][[Chris and hypocrisy|ali]][[Chris and Remorse|ty]] [[Chris and anger|fla]][[Chris and race|ws]], Chris doesn't even come ''close'' to the bottom of the barrel of internet scumbags. [[Beel|Neo-nazis]] and [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|other hate groups]], [[white knight|social justice warriors]], [[Blanca Weiss|abusive lovers]] and [[Barb|parents]], [[Joshua Martinez|scam artists]], [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and [[Zapina Rosechu|ephebophiles]], [[Allison Amber|corrupt]] [[Pmurt|politicians]] and [[4-cent_garbage.com|corporations]], [[Angelica Rosechu|religious zealots]], [[Chris and sex#Bestiality|zoophiles]] [[Clover and Snoopy|and other animal abusers]], [[Collosal Chris-Chan|hackers, script kiddies and malware writers/distributers]], [[JuggaloShoutOut|gang]] [[(Clyde's) Trollsta's Paradise|members]], [[Twin Falling Towers|terrorists and their online recruiters]], [[A-Logging|A-Logs]], [[Enablers]], and many other assorted shitbirds are much, ''much'' more deserving of concentrated trolling than Chris will ever be.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if you don't give a shit who the trollbait is as long as you get Laughs Under Lucricities, the Chris of today just isn't as amenable to trolling as he used to be; as discussed beforehand. The amount of effort you would need to put into navigating around his paranoia and autistic sensibilities would be staggering to say the least. And even if you do manage to bypass these obstacles, ''what is there left to do to him?'' Anything amusing about him has already been exhausted, except the shit he does on his own initiative, also discussed further below. All that is left of him at this point is a withered husk of a lolcow; as much as you may try to milk it, you'll be hard-pressed not to get only cobwebs, dust and shrivelled dead insects in return. With that in mind, you may as well just spend your time on another lolcow who hasn't been inured to years of deceit and humiliation.&lt;br /&gt;
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For most aspiring trolls, the only reason to pick Chris over any other Internet jackass is because he's relatively well-known even today, and you have a ready-made audience available to appreciate your efforts. But that's just you being lazy, not some trolling mastermind.&lt;br /&gt;
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===The Chris of today is not (quite) as gullible as he used to be===&lt;br /&gt;
Granted, almost no one on Earth is as [[naïve]] as Chris was in 2007. However, since then Chris has gradually learned that when he's contacted by people claiming to be [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], [[Prank calls#Batman Call|Batman]], [[Vanessa Hudgens]], someone from his past, or [[Savannah Chandler|even his own relatives]], chances are he's just being trolled. In fact, the naivety of the younger Chris has been swapped for an extreme distrust of anyone who tries to contact him, to the extent where he's even turned down legitimate attempts to get in touch by people he actually knew at [[high school]] or [[college]].&lt;br /&gt;
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This hasn't been helped at all by weens; according to [[Seinor prom|seinor]] trolls, Chris was once contacted by ''10 people'' claiming to be Megan at the same time, all of them claiming to be the [[TRUE and HONEST]] Megan and telling him not to believe the others.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris also vets those who try to bait him with fake social media accounts of people he follows. Weens tried this during the Doopie saga, only for Chris to embarrass them by thoroughly debunking their claims, complete with evidence.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc texts#Fake Doopie profile]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[August 2017 tweets#Outsmarted a ween, with help of Kiwi Farms]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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As of today, Chris simply doesn’t care about whatever hackneyed, inane scheme you’ve come up with for him. Even the most persistent attempts at bribery don’t seem to affect him as much as they used to.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Your idea is probably not original===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NotLiquidComic.jpg|thumb|left|A tryhard trying to rehash Liquid Chris's success... somehow drawn even ''worse'' than ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' itself.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Whatever your scheme is, it's probably been done before, and most likely better. It's pretty much impossible to top getting Chris to believe that the [[Miyamoto emails|President of Nintendo]] was interested in his work, or that there was a DANG, DIRTY IMPOSTER whom everyone else thought was the ''real'' Chris and stealing his richly deserved fame,&amp;lt;ref group=note&amp;gt;This idea worked once in the right circumstances, there's no need to repeat it now, where Chris believes he's a goddess and a reincarnate of Jesus.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or convincing Chris to [[The MovingFoward videos|destroy his own life upgrade on-camera]] in an attempt to claim [[Trollin Train|a $9,001 bounty that never actually existed]], or even simply pulling some strings to [[Bob Walks In|have Chris's father walk in on him masturbating]]. By and large, most modern trolling plans tend to be some incredibly minor variation on something that's already been done; like for example, ''&amp;quot;what if we got his [[Amnyfest Ring|high school ring]]?&amp;quot;'' or ''&amp;quot;what if we got him to see another parody of his comic?&amp;quot;''. In short, you're wasting your time trying to rehash older trolling events, because we've all seen it before. More importantly, so has Chris; so from experience, he very likely knows where you're going with it, too.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Weenery discourages Chris from producing content===&lt;br /&gt;
Chris is at his most productive when he believes he has lots of fans and everyone, barring a few trolls here and there, loves him. Most agree that weenery is detrimental to this strange, symbiotic relationship, and it is considered to be one of the predominant causes of the slump in content between 2011 and 2014. In that time, Chris entered a hiatus as a result of a combination of mourning for his [[Bob|then-recently deceased father]], and a constant stream of weenery over the years that made him think of himself as a victim who wouldn't be able to do anything without being harassed. As a result, he became far more private, meaning barely any content for us. Only four years after 2011 did he re-emerge from this hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is also worth mentioning that Chris produces much better content when left to his own devices. Since his semi-retreat from the public eye after his father's death and before he was jailed for [[Affair with Mother|incest]], Chris has been [[28 October 2011|prosecuted]] [[26 December 2014|twice]], concocted [[October 2013 Facebook Posts#Megagi La Skunk agrees that you should have never been born|outlandish conspiracy theories]] centered on [[Megan Schroeder|someone he hasn't spoken to for years]], [[10 January 2014|accidentally set fire to his house]], eventually continued working on the previously-unfinished [[Sonichu #11]] again, and [[Un-clit 2.0|sliced his own taint open with a knife]] as part of a hair-brained attempt to grow his own [[china]]; all of this without any impetus from the trolls. Likewise, let's not forget the entire [[Mary Lee Walsh]] saga (along with at least [[The Tale Of The Crazy Pacer|two]] [[University of Virginia#UVA student on Chris|different]] independent blogs of Chris' bizarre mannerisms and behaviors) happened before he even rose to fame. Don't try and rush the master of [[Kick the Autistic|America's favorite game]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===If you fail hard enough, you will become a target for trolls yourself===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NullvulgarWeen.jpg|thumb|During the [[Guard Dogs|Guard Dog]] [[saga]], [[Null]] saw to it that weens would face particularly aggressive responses if they attempted to lure Chris through e-mail.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Anthony &amp;quot;A-Log&amp;quot; LoGatto is ''the'' textbook example of trolling backfiring on the would-be troll, and it's important to remember that he would never have attracted the attention of the internet if he had simply toned down the vitriol enough to make it less obvious that he was absolutely obsessed with Chris. It was thereafter a fairly obvious leap in intuition to assume that someone with that level of hysteria and monomania over someone they had never even met would have had some skeletons in their own closet; and as it turns out, A-Log had more than a few. These included terrible homemade yiff fanfiction featuring a [[pickle|tellingly moderately-endowed]] fox OC, a huge cache of disturbing cartoon Rule 34 (a noticeable portion of which included [[Pedofork|underage characters]]), a laughably-poor college radio show from which he almost got fired after being caught watching pornography in the studio, and a video where A-Log does an excruciatingly unfunny stand-up &amp;quot;comedy&amp;quot; bit, revolving almost entirely around attacking Chris and what the radio was playing at the time; all before a crowd who, judging by their reaction, had never even heard of Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another more recent example of the same thing happening to a ween is the case of [[Michael Hirtes]]. After a myriad of sockpuppet accounts, spam messages to Chris and anyone he conversed with numbering in the thousands (mostly consisting of outdated memes and ''ad hominem'' attacks) and enough angry rants for him to ''also'' be described as being truly obsessed with Chris, it naturally led to some digging. Sure enough, Hirtes was revealed to be an unemployed furry who is even older at 53 years old, even less mature and more prone to [[Chris and anger|tard rage]] than Chris, and having a number of highly-embarrassing things to his name; including criminal convictions and a newspaper article of him in a fursuit discussing yiffing. Consequently, he became a huge laughing stock overnight; not only turning into a lolcow himself, but it even got to be the point where [[Michael Hirtes#Chris's view on Hirtes|Chris himself dismissed Hirtes, and by extension everything he'd done, as an irrelevance]].&lt;br /&gt;
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By the same token, obsessive and excessive weenery is dangerously likely to get you noticed by other trolls; who will, in turn, start trolling you because of that and anything else they notice about you, hoisting you on your own petard. In other words, it's akin to plugging in a huge neon sign pointing the trolls straight to your collection of ''[[Dragon Ball Z|Goku]] x Anne Frank'' slash fiction and boy band shrines.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even successful trolls can become targets: after several months manipulating Chris, the [[Idea Guys]] had their real-world identities exposed in the first half of [[2018]]. Between [[October 2017]] and [[March 2020]], [[Kiwi Farms]] officially encouraged users to &amp;lt;abbr title=&amp;quot;Publish identifying information, such as home addresses.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;dox&amp;lt;/abbr&amp;gt; weens as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lunatics-who-attack-a-mentally-handicapped-person.35124/ Lunatics who attack a mentally handicapped person: Your name here]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Several would-be weens have been foiled this way, and the effects have possibly spread into their real lives. Chris himself has also carelessly exposed those who try to interact with him while remaining anonymous.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Other enablers#Sarah and Steven]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Remember, there is an [[Special:ActiveUsers|energetic community]] devoted to recording every facet of Chris's life and interactions. '''You ''will'' be noticed''', and as covered in more detail below; the attention you'll end up receiving will likely be the undesirable kind, even if you ''do'' somehow catch Chris's attention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Due to her edgy behavior, [[A-logging]] directed towards Chris, her attempts at being a Chris troll, attempts at weening Chris, and the bullying of other students at her university; [[Bella]] has been deemed one of Chris's most corrupt trolls due to unproven claims regarding her interactions with Chris being propagated, and is widely disgraced by the greater CWCsphere as a result.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Even if you do succeed, you will likely regret it later===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris-Chan is — he’s an enigma which to so many people — [[CWCki:Frequently Asked Questions#Trolling|they thought he was a troll]]. Because they’re like, “there’s no way this motherfucker is real”, because he’s like, the saddest human being ever. And it’s SAD because it’s like… I spent four years of my life fucking with him, and people are like, “bring it back!”. And I’m like, “NO! LET IT DIE”. It’s like, depressing — it’s not the golden age — it’s the depressing age.|Spazkid, on the unwanted attention he receives from weens to this day.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|There's been tons of things in my life I've regretted and hated doing later on, [[Saga#Julie Saga .28February - March 2009.29|all of the stuff from 10 years ago]] was one of them. I've moved past everything that happened those many years ago and obviously I'm a different person now. It wasn't funny and was a very a-log thing to do. Nothing much else I can say.|[[BlueSpike]], reflecting on his time since the Julie Saga.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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All too often, trolls that do somehow manage to succeed in extracting lulz from Chris end up getting more than they bargained for. For example, Spazkid stopped making ''[[Sonichu the Animated Series]]'' when he began to pity Chris and realized he wasn't worth trolling (on top of a lot of unseen drama involved with the series' writers and voice actors), but still regularly finds himself, as seen above, hounded by obsessive weens and A-Logs to keep making it against his wishes. Liquid Chris may have to spend a long time fending off accusations from people outside of the Chris-Chan bubble of tormenting an [[slow-in-the-minds|emotionally vulnerable autistic man]] for his own amusement. BlueSpike will turn 30 someday, and even then will still be thought of as the crazed, sadistic pervert who, [[Pedofork|at the age of 13]], willingly listened to a 27-year-old [[CWC Cums for a Cat|masturbate repeatedly for]] [[Bob Walks In|hours on end]] and [[Julie reveals herself|forced him to shove a broken clay medallion up his ass]]; even after [[BlueSpike#Today|he has since considerably matured and openly shown remorse for his previous actions]]. The Idea Guys may have to deal with many long-term legal troubles one day for manipulating a mentally-handicapped man into abusing himself and extorting frivolities and large sums of money from him; all for a stupid, cruel joke that amused no one but themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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To add to the irony, people who didn't intentionally upset Chris are still getting unwanted attention from weens. Do you think [[Adam Stackhouse]] enjoys being inundated by various unwanted ''&amp;quot;you prevented Chris from raping Megan, congrats!&amp;quot;'' messages in his e-mail inbox, especially since [[Adam Stackhouse#Adam revisited|he openly made peace with Chris in 2018?]] Or that [[Mary Lee Walsh]] appreciates seeing herself as a nubile anime blonde who exists solely to torment a [[virgin with rage]] every time she or her students uses Google? Or that [[Michael Snyder]] likes being constantly reminded by weens of [[28 October 2011|being harassed and hit by a car]] through misguided attempts to praise him, or [[The_GAMe_PLACe#Today|being tormented about said events, almost ''a decade'' later, on the guestbook of his own father's funeral?]] In all of these cases, the answer is a big, fat '''NO'''.&lt;br /&gt;
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===There is absolutely nothing left to gain from Chris or the community surrounding him===&lt;br /&gt;
What is probably the most simple grounds of all to not ween is also the most important for a number of reasons. &lt;br /&gt;
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As seen above, not only does Chris no longer have amusing reactions to anything that comes his way as in the past, he is no longer in any position ([[Chris and reality|or ''condition'', for that matter]]) to produce more art, comics or commissions for people to look forward to, and can no longer be considered someone to (even ironically) root for, ever since his fall from being a comedic and sometimes morally-questionable but mostly harmless buffoon into a truly indefensible and disturbing individual. Apart from what he sporadically writes or rambles about in his [[Prison communications|letters and phone calls from jail]], the wellspring of anything truly fascinating, endearing or amusing about him has long since run dry. Ever since Chris has been known to have had [[Affair with Mother|sexual relations with his own mother]], Weening and A-Logging are considered to be especially pathetic; [[A-Logging#The_legal_system_will_deal_with_Chris|the law itself will now officially deal with Chris properly]] (as opposed to a rag-tag lynch mob of idiots on the internet; who now, by-and-large, have no access to him anymore regardless), and [[A-Logging#Being better than Chris is not and never has been an achievement|the need to prove oneself as superior]] to or [[Enablers#Getting_sucked_into_drama_surrounding_Chris|otherwise be associated with]] an obese, unrepentant sex offender with [[Messiah complex|a rapidly-flatlining grip on sanity]] reeks of desperation for attention now more than it ever has. &lt;br /&gt;
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All of this isn't even getting to the likely results of trying to ween or otherwise going out of your way to coax reactions or information from Chris nowadays. Not only do you have [[Kiwi Farms|the active Chris-Chan community]] who are more than willing to come after most wannabes who attempt to do so, but also how the consequences will, in such circumstances, very likely end up spreading into your actual life; as has been seen on numerous occasions. Even without going in with the intention to troll, fan documentaries and information sources (such as [[CWCki|this very wiki]]) already extensively cover Chris and his life, and when new events and such occur, it's more than likely already covered by them without you needing to dig too deeply. &lt;br /&gt;
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That said, if you do have worthwhile information, corrections and confirmations of such to provide, then by all means do so. The same applies for items such as ''Sonichu''-related fan media, [[Enablers#Joining_the_creative_community_surrounding_Chris|on the condition that they're kept well away from the man himself]]. But you should always keep in mind that however you choose to go about it, with so much to potentially lose and so little to gain — if anything at all — '''obsessing over and trying to get directly involved with Chris nowadays just isn't worth it.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[A-Logging]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Enablers]] &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Michael Hirtes]], an infamous ween.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]], the prime example of how attempted trolling can backfire.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Notes}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Unholy}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''''Payday 2''''' is a FPS video game published in 2013. The plot and gameplay revolve around the titular Payday Gang, as they plan robberies and heists on banks, jewelry stores, warehouses and more. '''''Payday: The Heist''''' was the first game in the Payday series, and follows a similar plot. The first Idea Guy. [[Joshua Wise]], was a fan of this series, and as a result, many of the game's plot points were [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwashed]] into [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]].&lt;br /&gt;
Chris briefly played the game at the Idea Guy's request, In which he played several matches with him in a Private Server.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Chris would also play the game alone by himself, Before eventually abandoning it due to [[Weens]] who kept joining his server to taunt him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam trolls]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam and Payday]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== List Of Plot Points Brainwashed into Chris ==&lt;br /&gt;
* The Cloaker and Medic Dozer enemies from the game were featured heavily in [[Red Forest]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The Hardcore Henry character [[Akan]] was added to the comic, due to him being featured in Payday 2.&lt;br /&gt;
*When asked by Chris on [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]]'s whereabouts, Idea Guy provided a revised version of the character Bodhi's bio as an answer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The Idea Guy also convinced Chris that one of the people running for new mayor of [[CWCVille]] was Bob McKendrick (a supporting character from Payday).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{TV}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Games]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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'''People:''' [[Chris]] • [[Idea Guys]] ([[Joshua Wise]] • [[Stephen Boyd]] • [[Idea Guys|Unnamed Others]]) • [[Guard Dogs]] • ([[The Captain]] • [[Null]] • [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Marvin]]) • [[Anna McLerran]] • [[Tings Tingz]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
'''Fictional Characters:''' [[John Yamada]] • [[Gwen Mikoto]] • [[Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein chat|Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein]] • [[Magi-chan]] • [[Cryzel]] • [[Kun T’Nyuget]] • [[Mewtwo]] • [[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]] • [[Bundychu]] • [[Akan]]&lt;br /&gt;
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!align=&amp;quot;left&amp;quot;|The Concepts:&lt;br /&gt;
!align=&amp;quot;left&amp;quot;|The Chats:&lt;br /&gt;
!align=&amp;quot;left&amp;quot;|The Videos:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Payday 2]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nazis]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[CWCstapo]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Operation BARBarossa]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Polyamorous marriage]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris#From the Idea Guys|Miscellaneous Ideas]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[2018 Sales Listings]]&lt;br /&gt;
|valign=&amp;quot;top&amp;quot;|&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tings Tingz DMs]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Ballzymaker94)]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein chat]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Count Dankula|Count Dankula Interview]]&lt;br /&gt;
|valign=&amp;quot;top&amp;quot;|&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World|Remove Kebab!]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cherokean Chant]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Smashing]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tour of Chris's House III|Third House Tour]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris apologizes to Gwen]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris slaps himself]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dick Licker; that is I]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[One-Hundred]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris pleads to stop Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[All Star]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris lost Crystal]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms]]&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[File:4rjvG.jpg|thumb|right|I BELIEVE I CAN FLYYYYYY, I BELIEVE I CAN TOUCH THE SKYYYYYYYYYY.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.&lt;br /&gt;
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Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.&lt;br /&gt;
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PS: Todd Howard is good.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
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|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
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|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
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|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
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|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and it is alleged that they blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: In addition to that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively. &lt;br /&gt;
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One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
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He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>Idea Guys</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title     = Idea Guy&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 19 &lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and it is alleged that they blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: not only that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A and other Kiwi farms shenanigans ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:IdeaGuyKiwifarm.png|right|250px|thumb|Wise's Kiwi Farms Profile.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handlers on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively. &lt;br /&gt;
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One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
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He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.&lt;br /&gt;
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Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.&lt;br /&gt;
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PS: Todd Howard is good.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Asian}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{LiquidChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Weeaboo}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ClassicChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Observer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Straight}}&lt;br /&gt;
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.&lt;br /&gt;
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I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.&lt;br /&gt;
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Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.&lt;br /&gt;
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PS: Todd Howard is good.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Asian}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{JERK}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Tito}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Snyder}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{LiquidChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Weeaboo}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ClassicChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Observer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Straight}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PS2}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Kiwi Farmer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuys}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: Created page with &amp;quot;Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.  I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.  Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.  PS: Todd Howard is good.  {{Asian}} {{JERK}} {{Tito}} {{Snyder}} {{LiquidChris}} {{Weeaboo}} {{ClassicChris}} {{Observer}} {{Straight}} {{PS2}}&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;Just some Idiot who spend too much time on CWCki, The Farms and ED.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I also like to add a bunch of unimportant stuff/edits to any pages that got my attention, that's all really.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Might write an article on ED someday, who knows lol.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
PS: Todd Howard is good.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{Asian}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{JERK}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Tito}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Snyder}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{LiquidChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Weeaboo}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ClassicChris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Observer}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Straight}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PS2}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<title>Weens</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Arguments against trolling attempts */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{quote|Are you 6-years-old or somethin'?|[[Bob Chandler]] outsmarting [[BlueSpike|a ween]] attempting to [[prank call]] Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Don’t worry about those weens; you know you are safe around me and [[Polyamorous marriage|my Loves]]. 😊⚡️💙⚡️|Chris, attempting to persuade a fan weens won't hassle them at [[BronyCon]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20200226105210/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/1020049863961120768&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|Encouraging other people to commit serious crimes is classic weenery.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Weening''' or '''failtrolling''' is the act of attempting to troll someone, but ultimately failing at it the whole way through, and not receiving any significant results, typically due to inexperience with lolcow culture. The people that do this are often referred to as '''Weens''' (not to be confused with [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ween the alternative rock band]). A corruption of the phrase &amp;quot;epic win&amp;quot;, weens are wannabe [[trolls]] who attempt to recreate the antics of prominent trolls, without being aware that there was much [[Chris and manipulation|manipulation]] behind the scenes to goad Chris into performing for the trolls, and therefore just embarrass themselves.&amp;lt;ref group = &amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;In many cases, the modern, albiet much more controversial, incarnations of prominent trolls have figured this out.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Think we're exaggerating? Maybe some videos will help get the point across.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;{{#ev:youtube|O4mkAw9Be-k}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{#ev:archiveorg|youtube-4yUUi2Qco5Q}}&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Examples of weening==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:epicweentrolling1.jpg|thumb|THIS IS WHAT WEENS ACTUALLY BELIEVE.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Paying to ween.png|thumb|A ween pays Chris money on livestream in order to post shit he doesn't even read.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ChangeorgGOPony2.jpg|thumb|A ween-made Change.org petition put in Chris's name.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:MeanKeanWeenSecondComing.png|thumb|As foreseen, an [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|unclean, less keen ween]] seen bein' like the mean Peen. Obscene, hygiene like a latrine... and most likely a tween.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Furniggersmustdie.jpg|thumb|Typical ween art.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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* Elaborate trolling plans that end up failing.&lt;br /&gt;
* Falsely [[White knight|white-knighting]] Chris to befriend him and get whatever you want out of him. The [[CWCProtectSquad]] is a notorious example of this.&lt;br /&gt;
* Prank-calling Chris. Double dumbass points if it's just to yell &amp;quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY, JULAAAAAAY!]]&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;[[Ian Brandon Anderson|IAN BRANDON ANDERSON]]/[[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|SOMETHING]]!&amp;quot;, or other ancient memes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Prank takeaway deliveries under Chris' name and address. Not only is this just ''unfunny'' for anyone involved (on top of wasting both money and food), but numerous restaurants in Chris's area (namely Papa John's) have blacklisted his address precisely to prevent this.&lt;br /&gt;
* A-Logging. While not all weens are A-Logs and vice versa, the two often overlap. [[A-Logging|A-Log]] himself was as much of a ween as your average A-Log in numerous ways.&lt;br /&gt;
* Enabling Chris's fantastical beliefs. Chris's mind is already fucked up on its own merits, and people such as the Idea Guys have done more than enough in terms of mental damage on him. Once again, please note that although not all weens are enablers and vice versa, they tend to overlap. &lt;br /&gt;
* Making fake [[Facebook]] and [[Twitter]] profiles of people Chris follows. &lt;br /&gt;
* Spamming Chris's Facebook pages with random pictures of his old triggers to try and get a rise out of him; such as of [[pickles]], [[homos]] or [[Sonic]]'s redesign in ''[[Sonic Boom]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
* Scathing e-mails, letters, or social media messages.&lt;br /&gt;
* Butting into conversations Chris is having with other people online, especially if he isn't doing anything particularly wrong at the moment (which is almost 99% of the time). This was sadly way too common with the [[DoopieDoOver]] saga.&lt;br /&gt;
* Attempting to contact people who once interacted with Chris but have since cut off all ties with him ([[Megan]], [[Cole]], [[the Wallflower]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], [[Adam Stackhouse]], [[Michael Snyder]], etc.) and drag them back into the spotlight against their wishes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Terrible fanfiction that &amp;quot;wittily&amp;quot; deconstructs ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' and [[CWCville|where it takes place]] as a saccharine dystopia. Sorry folks, but ''[[Asperchu]]'', ''[[A Girl Who Brought Down the World]]'', ''[[Sonichu the Animated Series|Sonichu: The Animated Series]]'' and ''CWCollateral'' not only '''all''' already did this, but have also milked the concept for everything it's worth; it's time to move on.&lt;br /&gt;
* Terrible fanfiction and fanart that focuses solely on murdering Sonichu characters, as seen in the picture below-right. Double dumbass points if focusing predominantly on the slaughter of [[Sonees and Roseys]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Mass reporting in an attempt to get his social media accounts shut down.&lt;br /&gt;
* Terrible fanart of ''Sonichu'' that attempts to be wittily macabre by making it even more [[Chris and art|grotesque]], [[Episode 21|gory]], or [[Episode 17|perverse]] than it already was.&lt;br /&gt;
* Spouting tired old Chris memes in places where Christorians lurk, or even in places where most of the members don't even know about Chris. Either way, it's very annoying.&lt;br /&gt;
* Making frivolous or exaggerated claims of Chris's misconduct in feedback on sites like [[eBay]] or [[YouTube]].&lt;br /&gt;
* Spoiling Chris's legitimate attempts at doing [[Chris and art|commissions]] and participating in [[Chris and contests|contests]] or e-commerce.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[April 2019 videos#Bonus! LACK OF Glitter Bombing. 🔥Epic Burn!🔥|Sending Chris a glitter bomb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Sending letters for [[PewDiePie]] to Chris's address.&lt;br /&gt;
* Making [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y87AvTrK9Dc terrible rap songs] about Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[TF2 Analysis|Harassing bronies whose content Chris enjoys into blocking him on Twitter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/e3vdae/the_result_of_what_happened_when_i_tried_to/| Re-creating his Wikipedia page as a social experiment.] &lt;br /&gt;
* Spamming his tweets with &amp;quot;Where's the comics?&amp;quot;. He's not going to respond, so don't even try.&lt;br /&gt;
* It may be just plain sad to say, but even telling Chris to &amp;quot;get a job&amp;quot; has become ween lingo.&lt;br /&gt;
* Hacking into Chris's YouTube account to upload a video of someone screaming &amp;quot;JULAAAAY&amp;quot;!&lt;br /&gt;
* Sending letters to Chris to persuade him into saying or doing things while [[Messiah complex|under the belief he is Jesus]].&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Jail Letter - 21 October 2021|Translating Ian Brandon Anderson into a writing system Chris doesn’t understand and telling him it’s a blessing in another language.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/49854/post-11683809 Writing a fake letter, claiming it to be sent by Chris in an undisclosed location, and directing it towards another lolcow.]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/10k8nj3/chris_chan_porn_video_gofundme/ Funding a pornographic film about Chris.]&lt;br /&gt;
* [[:File:9zkfdgibmrxa1.png|Leaving one-star reviews on places Chris has visited because Chris visited them.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/15oqgk7/christine_can_still_become_rich_and_live_a/ Suggesting Chris should start an OnlyFans.]&lt;br /&gt;
* Making fake obituaries stating [[Barb]] or any other Christorical figures have died.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Post-jail_sightings_(2023)#Sheetz/On_the_road_Part_II|Chasing down Chris and trying to shove a camera in his face after seeing him in public.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Bringing up [[Affair with Mother|Chris' affair with Barb]] during his livestreams, especially when it has nothing to do with the topic(s). This has already dated to the level of the aforementioned ancient memes.&lt;br /&gt;
* Donating your own money for the sole purpose of flashing messages like &amp;quot;JULAAAAAAY!&amp;quot; or anything related to the affair on Chris's livestreams.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[December 2023 social media posts#12_Previous_Lives|Telling Chris about his past lives.]]&lt;br /&gt;
* Worst of all, [[Chris and the law|breaking the law]] and [[A-Logging#There.27s_no_legal_defense_over_attacking_Chris_for_real|needlessly risking a life-altering criminal record]] in pursuit of lulz. This includes, but is certainly not limited to; vandalizing or trespassing on Chris's [[14 Branchland Court|property]] (which includes egging his house), illegally recording telephone conversations, stalking and harassment of him, his mother and the rest of their extended family, stealing from them, [[Idea Guys|extortion]], or [[Death threats|threatening them]] with violence or even outright murder. This also applies to aiding and/or encouraging other weens or Chris himself to do so. '''We ''really'' shouldn't have to say it at this point, but for fuck's sake, ''DON'T DO ANY OF THIS.'''''&lt;br /&gt;
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== What weening is NOT ==&lt;br /&gt;
As annoying and unhelpful as weening is, the term has ended up being severely misused by much of the CWCsphere, to the point where some consider it to be ''any'' form of interest or interaction at any point with Chris or the world relating to him and his misadventures. As such, it's important to keep in mind what actions are not considered the correct definition of the term:&lt;br /&gt;
* Casual observation and discussion of Chris and his circumstances, in places (such as [[CWCki|this very wiki]], or [[Kiwi Farms]]) where they are permitted and/or actually relevant to the topic at hand.&lt;br /&gt;
* Any trolling plan that actually succeeds to some extent; be it good or bad for Chris, original or cringey, et cetera.&amp;lt;ref group=&amp;quot;note&amp;quot;&amp;gt;About 99.9% of the time, this doesn't happen, so don't bother trying.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
* Asking [[FAQ|basic, repetitive Chris questions]] as a newbie. Regardless of if it's to do with recent events or those from the Classic Era and such, even the most devoted Christorians had to start somewhere. &lt;br /&gt;
* Coming up with speculative Christory based on past and ongoing events.&lt;br /&gt;
* Making fan media (art, fanfiction, animations, cosplay, etc.) of the [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' series]], so long as it's not excessively perverse, grotesque or intentionally poorly made, and you don't go out of your way to show it to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
* Helping to document and provide information on developments and occurrences in Chris's life as they come. The same goes for any corrections and confirmations (with appropriate evidence) of ambiguous and/or unconfirmed information.&lt;br /&gt;
* Visiting public locations where Chris is well-known to have been or is otherwise associated with; such as the [[Charlottesville Fashion Square]], [[The GAMe PLACe|Gearharts]], [[The End Games]] or [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]]. Of course, this is so long as you don't try to failtroll or otherwise harass anyone for info on Chris. If you do visit these places, consider doing some good out of it as well by supporting them and the local community through donating to (if applicable) and/or purchasing from them. &lt;br /&gt;
* Visiting [[14 Branchland Court]], so long as it doesn't involve illegally trespassing or trying to harass Barb or anyone who resides there.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Arguments against trolling attempts==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:REALChrisChanAndFriends.jpg|thumb|[[The Miscreants]], grateful to get away from all of the weens leeching off their hard work.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Now, we know what you're thinking. You're not one of those try-hard [[BlueSpike|13-year old boys]] who still think that screaming &amp;quot;'''JULAAAAAY!!!'''&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;'''IAN! BRANNON! SOMETHING!!!'''&amp;quot; at Chris, spamming his Twitter or YouTube comment section with pickles and other outdated catchphrases and memes, making and sending him badly-made parody comics, or trying to re-hash the [[Liquid Chris|Liquid Chris Saga]] is the height of wit. You've come up with a great plan to really get under Chris's skin, bring back the good old days and all that shit. However, &amp;lt;del&amp;gt;while you ''may'' in fact be that guy,&amp;lt;/del&amp;gt; 99.9% of the time, you should just shitcan your trolling plans and move on with your life.&lt;br /&gt;
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Why, you ask?&lt;br /&gt;
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===The Chris of today is nothing like his former self===&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris has gone a long way since his internet debut on the Something Awful Forums. He has gone from a simple-minded man with child-like tendencies that made a bunch of [[Sonichu (comic)|comics which are so bad they're fascinating]], to a jaded, chronically-depressed and mentally-disturbed hippie that’s formed a small doomsday cult around said comics.  &lt;br /&gt;
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It is important to note that Chris, although still very gullible and severely detached from reality, is (debatably) still a thinking person. Whatever gets him riled up nowadays ultimately depends on the time and situation. Therefore, a lot of [[Sonic Boom|the]] [[Pickle|commonly]] [[Homos|associated]] [[Asperger syndrome|triggers]] he may or may not have had some time ago will not necessarily transfer over to the present day.&lt;br /&gt;
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It should also be noted that, because of this change in perspective, trolling hits differently in this day and age than it did before Chris lost his father; which is incidentally the point where most of Chris's most famous trolls opted to leave him alone. The general culture around Chris-Chan himself has changed significantly as well; while past trolls like [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Liquid Chris]] were praised for a time, and are still fondly remembered and respected by those who don't see them as being as bad as Chris, the days of trolling Chris as the heteronormative, egoistical manchild have faded to trolling Chris as a mentally-ill, self-destructive, broken shell of a human being. The only people to really succeed in gaining infamy comparable to the trolls of the Classic Era – such as the [[Idea Guys]] and [[Jacob Sockness]] – are subsequently derided as the perverted, exploitative abusers that they are, rather than treated as internet legends.&lt;br /&gt;
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The irony in all of this is that most trolling attempts no longer phase Chris at all. And those that do somehow succeed are only viewed as [[Enablers|further support for his cult]]. Therefore, you should never expect to be [[The Miscreants|one of the cool kids]] just by failtrolling Chris. Times have changed, so it’s best to move onto better targets. This leads us into the next point.&lt;br /&gt;
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===There are (and always will be) much better targets than Chris===&lt;br /&gt;
If you're willing to put that much effort into trolling Chris, why not make yourself useful and apply that same effort to going after better victims? As much as the CWCki analyses and discusses in detail [[Tomgirl|his]] [[April 16 Fetish Vids|numerous]] [[Semen|odd]] [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|behaviors]] and [[Chris and his Ego|per]][[Chris and reality|son]][[Chris and hypocrisy|ali]][[Chris and Remorse|ty]] [[Chris and anger|fla]][[Chris and race|ws]], Chris doesn't even come ''close'' to the bottom of the barrel of internet scumbags. [[Beel|Neo-nazis]] and [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|other hate groups]], [[white knight|social justice warriors]], [[Blanca Weiss|abusive lovers]] and [[Barb|parents]], [[Joshua Martinez|scam artists]], [[pedofork|pedophiles]] and [[Zapina Rosechu|ephebophiles]], [[Allison Amber|corrupt]] [[Pmurt|politicians]] and [[4-cent_garbage.com|corporations]], [[Angelica Rosechu|religious zealots]], [[Chris and sex#Bestiality|zoophiles]] [[Clover and Snoopy|and other animal abusers]], [[Collosal Chris-Chan|hackers, script kiddies and malware writers/distributers]], [[JuggaloShoutOut|gang]] [[(Clyde's) Trollsta's Paradise|members]], [[Twin Falling Towers|terrorists and their online recruiters]], [[A-Logging|A-Logs]], [[Enablers]], and many other assorted shitbirds are much, ''much'' more deserving of concentrated trolling than Chris will ever be.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even if you don't give a shit who the trollbait is as long as you get Laughs Under Lucricities, the Chris of today just isn't as amenable to trolling as he used to be; as discussed beforehand. The amount of effort you would need to put into navigating around his paranoia and autistic sensibilities would be staggering to say the least. And even if you do manage to bypass these obstacles, ''what is there left to do to him?'' Anything amusing about him has already been exhausted, except the shit he does on his own initiative, also discussed further below. All that is left of him at this point is a withered husk of a lolcow; as much as you may try to milk it, you'll be hard-pressed not to get only cobwebs, dust and shrivelled dead insects in return. With that in mind, you may as well just spend your time on another lolcow who hasn't been inured to years of deceit and humiliation.&lt;br /&gt;
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For most aspiring trolls, the only reason to pick Chris over any other Internet jackass is because he's relatively well-known even today, and you have a ready-made audience available to appreciate your efforts. But that's just you being lazy, not some trolling mastermind.&lt;br /&gt;
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===The Chris of today is not (quite) as gullible as he used to be===&lt;br /&gt;
Granted, almost no one on Earth is as [[naïve]] as Chris was in 2007. However, since then Chris has gradually learned that when he's contacted by people claiming to be [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], [[Prank calls#Batman Call|Batman]], [[Vanessa Hudgens]], someone from his past, or [[Savannah Chandler|even his own relatives]], chances are he's just being trolled. In fact, the naivety of the younger Chris has been swapped for an extreme distrust of anyone who tries to contact him, to the extent where he's even turned down legitimate attempts to get in touch by people he actually knew at [[high school]] or [[college]].&lt;br /&gt;
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This hasn't been helped at all by weens; according to [[Seinor prom|seinor]] trolls, Chris was once contacted by ''10 people'' claiming to be Megan at the same time, all of them claiming to be the [[TRUE and HONEST]] Megan and telling him not to believe the others.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris also vets those who try to bait him with fake social media accounts of people he follows. Weens tried this during the Doopie saga, only for Chris to embarrass them by thoroughly debunking their claims, complete with evidence.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc texts#Fake Doopie profile]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[August 2017 tweets#Outsmarted a ween, with help of Kiwi Farms]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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As of today, Chris simply doesn’t care about whatever hackneyed, inane scheme you’ve come up with for him. Even the most persistent attempts at bribery don’t seem to affect him as much as they used to.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Your idea is probably not original===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NotLiquidComic.jpg|thumb|left|A tryhard trying to rehash Liquid Chris's success... somehow drawn even ''worse'' than ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' itself.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Whatever your scheme is, it's probably been done before, and most likely better. It's pretty much impossible to top getting Chris to believe that the [[Miyamoto emails|President of Nintendo]] was interested in his work, or that there was a DANG, DIRTY IMPOSTER whom everyone else thought was the ''real'' Chris and stealing his richly deserved fame,&amp;lt;ref group=note&amp;gt;This idea worked once in the right circumstances, there's no need to repeat it now, where Chris believes he's a goddess and a reincarnate of Jesus.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or convincing Chris to [[The MovingFoward videos|destroy his own life upgrade on-camera]] in an attempt to claim [[Trollin Train|a $9,001 bounty that never actually existed]], or even simply pulling some strings to [[Bob Walks In|have Chris's father walk in on him masturbating]]. By and large, most modern trolling plans tend to be some incredibly minor variation on something that's already been done; like for example, ''&amp;quot;what if we got his [[Amnyfest Ring|high school ring]]?&amp;quot;'' or ''&amp;quot;what if we got him to see another parody of his comic?&amp;quot;''. In short, you're wasting your time trying to rehash older trolling events, because we've all seen it before. More importantly, so has Chris; so from experience, he very likely knows where you're going with it, too.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Weenery discourages Chris from producing content===&lt;br /&gt;
Chris is at his most productive when he believes he has lots of fans and everyone, barring a few trolls here and there, loves him. Most agree that weenery is detrimental to this strange, symbiotic relationship, and it is considered to be one of the predominant causes of the slump in content between 2011 and 2014. In that time, Chris entered a hiatus as a result of a combination of mourning for his [[Bob|then-recently deceased father]], and a constant stream of weenery over the years that made him think of himself as a victim who wouldn't be able to do anything without being harassed. As a result, he became far more private, meaning barely any content for us. Only four years after 2011 did he re-emerge from this hiatus.&lt;br /&gt;
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It is also worth mentioning that Chris produces much better content when left to his own devices. Since his semi-retreat from the public eye after his father's death and before he was jailed for [[Affair with Mother|incest]], Chris has been [[28 October 2011|prosecuted]] [[26 December 2014|twice]], concocted [[October 2013 Facebook Posts#Megagi La Skunk agrees that you should have never been born|outlandish conspiracy theories]] centered on [[Megan Schroeder|someone he hasn't spoken to for years]], [[10 January 2014|accidentally set fire to his house]], eventually continued working on the previously-unfinished [[Sonichu #11]] again, and [[Un-clit 2.0|sliced his own taint open with a knife]] as part of a hair-brained attempt to grow his own [[china]]; all of this without any impetus from the trolls. Likewise, let's not forget the entire [[Mary Lee Walsh]] saga (along with at least [[The Tale Of The Crazy Pacer|two]] [[University of Virginia#UVA student on Chris|different]] independent blogs of Chris' bizarre mannerisms and behaviors) happened before he even rose to fame. Don't try and rush the master of [[Kick the Autistic|America's favorite game]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===If you fail hard enough, you will become a target for trolls yourself===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:NullvulgarWeen.jpg|thumb|During the [[Guard Dogs|Guard Dog]] [[saga]], [[Null]] saw to it that weens would face particularly aggressive responses if they attempted to lure Chris through e-mail.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Anthony &amp;quot;A-Log&amp;quot; LoGatto is ''the'' textbook example of trolling backfiring on the would-be troll, and it's important to remember that he would never have attracted the attention of the internet if he had simply toned down the vitriol enough to make it less obvious that he was absolutely obsessed with Chris. It was thereafter a fairly obvious leap in intuition to assume that someone with that level of hysteria and monomania over someone they had never even met would have had some skeletons in their own closet; and as it turns out, A-Log had more than a few. These included terrible homemade yiff fanfiction featuring a [[pickle|tellingly moderately-endowed]] fox OC, a huge cache of disturbing cartoon Rule 34 (a noticeable portion of which included [[Pedofork|underage characters]]), a laughably-poor college radio show from which he almost got fired after being caught watching pornography in the studio, and a video where A-Log does an excruciatingly unfunny stand-up &amp;quot;comedy&amp;quot; bit, revolving almost entirely around attacking Chris and what the radio was playing at the time; all before a crowd who, judging by their reaction, had never even heard of Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another more recent example of the same thing happening to a ween is the case of [[Michael Hirtes]]. After a myriad of sockpuppet accounts, spam messages to Chris and anyone he conversed with numbering in the thousands (mostly consisting of outdated memes and ''ad hominem'' attacks) and enough angry rants for him to ''also'' be described as being truly obsessed with Chris, it naturally led to some digging. Sure enough, Hirtes was revealed to be an unemployed furry who is even older at 53 years old, even less mature and more prone to [[Chris and anger|tard rage]] than Chris, and having a number of highly-embarrassing things to his name; including criminal convictions and a newspaper article of him in a fursuit discussing yiffing. Consequently, he became a huge laughing stock overnight; not only turning into a lolcow himself, but it even got to be the point where [[Michael Hirtes#Chris's view on Hirtes|Chris himself dismissed Hirtes, and by extension everything he'd done, as an irrelevance]].&lt;br /&gt;
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By the same token, obsessive and excessive weenery is dangerously likely to get you noticed by other trolls; who will, in turn, start trolling you because of that and anything else they notice about you, hoisting you on your own petard. In other words, it's akin to plugging in a huge neon sign pointing the trolls straight to your collection of ''[[Dragon Ball Z|Goku]] x Anne Frank'' slash fiction and boy band shrines.&lt;br /&gt;
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Even successful trolls can become targets: after several months manipulating Chris, the [[Idea Guys]] had their real-world identities exposed in the first half of [[2018]]. Between [[October 2017]] and [[March 2020]], [[Kiwi Farms]] officially encouraged users to &amp;lt;abbr title=&amp;quot;Publish identifying information, such as home addresses.&amp;quot;&amp;gt;dox&amp;lt;/abbr&amp;gt; weens as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/lunatics-who-attack-a-mentally-handicapped-person.35124/ Lunatics who attack a mentally handicapped person: Your name here]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Several would-be weens have been foiled this way, and the effects have possibly spread into their real lives. Chris himself has also carelessly exposed those who try to interact with him while remaining anonymous.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Other enablers#Sarah and Steven]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Remember, there is an [[Special:ActiveUsers|energetic community]] devoted to recording every facet of Chris's life and interactions. '''You ''will'' be noticed''', and as covered in more detail below; the attention you'll end up receiving will likely be the undesirable kind, even if you ''do'' somehow catch Chris's attention.&lt;br /&gt;
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Due to her edgy behavior, [[A-logging]] directed towards Chris, her attempts at being a Chris troll, attempts at weening Chris, and the bullying of other students at her university; [[Bella]] has been deemed one of Chris's most corrupt trolls due to unproven claims regarding her interactions with Chris being propagated, and is widely disgraced by the greater CWCsphere as a result.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Even if you do succeed, you will likely regret it later===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris-Chan is — he’s an enigma which to so many people — [[CWCki:Frequently Asked Questions#Trolling|they thought he was a troll]]. Because they’re like, “there’s no way this motherfucker is real”, because he’s like, the saddest human being ever. And it’s SAD because it’s like… I spent four years of my life fucking with him, and people are like, “bring it back!”. And I’m like, “NO! LET IT DIE”. It’s like, depressing — it’s not the golden age — it’s the depressing age.|Spazkid, on the unwanted attention he receives from weens to this day.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|There's been tons of things in my life I've regretted and hated doing later on, [[Saga#Julie Saga .28February - March 2009.29|all of the stuff from 10 years ago]] was one of them. I've moved past everything that happened those many years ago and obviously I'm a different person now. It wasn't funny and was a very a-log thing to do. Nothing much else I can say.|[[BlueSpike]], reflecting on his time since the Julie Saga.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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All too often, trolls that do somehow manage to succeed in extracting lulz from Chris end up getting more than they bargained for. For example, Spazkid stopped making ''[[Sonichu the Animated Series]]'' when he began to pity Chris and realized he wasn't worth trolling (on top of a lot of unseen drama involved with the series' writers and voice actors), but still regularly finds himself, as seen above, hounded by obsessive weens and A-Logs to keep making it against his wishes. Liquid Chris may have to spend a long time fending off accusations from people outside of the Chris-Chan bubble of tormenting an [[slow-in-the-minds|emotionally vulnerable autistic man]] for his own amusement. BlueSpike will turn 30 someday, and even then will still be thought of as the crazed, sadistic pervert who, [[Pedofork|at the age of 13]], willingly listened to a 27-year-old [[CWC Cums for a Cat|masturbate repeatedly for]] [[Bob Walks In|hours on end]] and [[Julie reveals herself|forced him to shove a broken clay medallion up his ass]]; even after [[BlueSpike#Today|he has since considerably matured and openly shown remorse for his previous actions]]. The Idea Guys may have to deal with many long-term legal troubles one day for manipulating a mentally-handicapped man into abusing himself and extorting frivolities and large sums of money from him; all for a stupid, cruel joke that amused no one but themselves. &lt;br /&gt;
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To add to the irony, people who didn't intentionally upset Chris are still getting unwanted attention from weens. Do you think [[Adam Stackhouse]] enjoys being inundated by various unwanted ''&amp;quot;you prevented Chris from raping Megan, congrats!&amp;quot;'' messages in his e-mail inbox, especially since [[Adam Stackhouse#Adam revisited|he openly made peace with Chris in 2018?]] Or that [[Mary Lee Walsh]] appreciates seeing herself as a nubile anime blonde who exists solely to torment a [[virgin with rage]] every time she or her students uses Google? Or that [[Michael Snyder]] likes being constantly reminded by weens of [[28 October 2011|being harassed and hit by a car]] through misguided attempts to praise him, or [[The_GAMe_PLACe#Today|being tormented about said events, almost ''a decade'' later, on the guestbook of his own father's funeral?]] In all of these cases, the answer is a big, fat '''NO'''.&lt;br /&gt;
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===There is absolutely nothing left to gain from Chris or the community surrounding him===&lt;br /&gt;
What is probably the most simple grounds of all to not ween is also the most important for a number of reasons. &lt;br /&gt;
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As seen above, not only does Chris no longer have amusing reactions to anything that comes his way as in the past, he is no longer in any position ([[Chris and reality|or ''condition'', for that matter]]) to produce more art, comics or commissions for people to look forward to, and can no longer be considered someone to (even ironically) root for, ever since his fall from being a comedic and sometimes morally-questionable but mostly harmless buffoon into a truly indefensible and disturbing individual. Apart from what he sporadically writes or rambles about in his [[Prison communications|letters and phone calls from jail]], the wellspring of anything truly fascinating, endearing or amusing about him has long since run dry. Ever since Chris has been known to have had [[Affair with Mother|sexual relations with his own mother]], Weening and A-Logging are considered to be especially pathetic; [[A-Logging#The_legal_system_will_deal_with_Chris|the law itself will now officially deal with Chris properly]] (as opposed to a rag-tag lynch mob of idiots on the internet; who now, by-and-large, have no access to him anymore regardless), and [[A-Logging#Being better than Chris is not and never has been an achievement|the need to prove oneself as superior]] to or [[Enablers#Getting_sucked_into_drama_surrounding_Chris|otherwise be associated with]] an obese, unrepentant sex offender with [[Messiah complex|a rapidly-flatlining grip on sanity]] reeks of desperation for attention now more than it ever has. &lt;br /&gt;
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All of this isn't even getting to the likely results of trying to ween or otherwise going out of your way to coax reactions or information from Chris nowadays. Not only do you have [[Kiwi Farms|the active Chris-Chan community]] who are more than willing to come after most wannabes who attempt to do so, but also how the consequences will, in such circumstances, very likely end up spreading into your actual life; as has been seen on numerous occasions. Even without going in with the intention to troll, fan documentaries and information sources (such as [[CWCki|this very wiki]]) already extensively cover Chris and his life, and when new events and such occur, it's more than likely already covered by them without you needing to dig too deeply. &lt;br /&gt;
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That said, if you do have worthwhile information, corrections and confirmations of such to provide, then by all means do so. The same applies for items such as ''Sonichu''-related fan media, [[Enablers#Joining_the_creative_community_surrounding_Chris|on the condition that they're kept well away from the man himself]]. But you should always keep in mind that however you choose to go about it, with so much to potentially lose and so little to gain — if anything at all — '''obsessing over and trying to get directly involved with Chris nowadays just isn't worth it.'''&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[A-Logging]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Enablers]] &lt;br /&gt;
*[[Michael Hirtes]], an infamous ween.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]], the prime example of how attempted trolling can backfire.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Notes}}&lt;br /&gt;
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		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<title>Null</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I personally contacted Greene County Sheriff Steven S. Smith who refused to do anything, saying that it's Chris's choice to shit on the floor. I contacted the FBI, first through the IC3.gov contact form, then I took the report and put it in the hands of an FBI agent who met me in person [REDACTED], just to try and shake that tree further.|Null, showing the lengths he went to help Chris &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Chris just sent me some shit out of the blue and he immediately got upset and shut up after I addressed him as &amp;quot;Chris&amp;quot; instead of Magichan. Every single time I see this ludicrous faggot shit he's doing it's like losing Terry [A. Davis] again. It makes me so fucking sad.|Null, shortly before cutting contact with Chris for almost an year &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(Null)#Sad_About_Chris's_Roleplaying]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I have to come to terms with the fact that Chris was fucking retarded, he's always been fucking retarded, and now on top of everything - on top of learning that he can't learn, I have to realize that he's malicious! He knows that doing these things are wrong and he doesn't care! Because if he gets away with it, that's all that matters.|Null, finally realizing the truth.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPjmy3K7uT8 Null's Last Interaction With Chris-Chan]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
| title = Null&lt;br /&gt;
| name = Joshua Conner Moon&lt;br /&gt;
| image = Null2021.png&lt;br /&gt;
| aliases = Null&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Jersh&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Jewsh&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;KiwiMac&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Kiwimac.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 9&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 12&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1992&lt;br /&gt;
| gender = Male&lt;br /&gt;
| race = White&lt;br /&gt;
| nationality = [[United States|American]], currently living in [[Remove Kebab|Serbia]]&lt;br /&gt;
| occupation = ''[[Guard Dog]] (former)''&amp;lt;Br&amp;gt;Owner of [[Kiwi Farms]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga = {{saga|secondexile|cn}}, {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}, {{saga|guarddog|cn}}, {{saga|incest|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Joshua Conner Moon''', better known by his online alias '''&amp;quot;Null&amp;quot;''', is the current owner of [[Kiwi Farms]] (formerly the [[CWCki Forums]]). Though he took over ownership of the CWCki Forums, which monitored and documented Chris's shenanigans, over time he shifted focus away from Chris and rebranded the site to &amp;quot;lolcows&amp;quot; in general. From there, he occasionally contacted Chris when it was determined that Chris needed help, like after the [[2014 house fire]] or in the aftermath of the [[Idea Guys]] saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the spring of 2018, Null began acting as one of Chris's volunteer advisors, alongside fellow [[Guard Dogs]] The Captain and Marvin, helping him by filtering his email messages to weed out [[ween]] messages from legitimate [[business]] dealings,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Legit Emails]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; as well as offering advice, such as warning Chris not to invade people's personal space at other conventions after Chris' behavior had gotten him [[banned|kicked out]] of [[TooManyGames]]. He felt motivated to assist Chris after learning that the [[Idea Guys]] had scammed Chris out of enough money to put him at risk of losing his home.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;currenttrolls&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Decline of Trolling]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Null's participation dwindled for a while, but Chris reconciled with him for a while early in [[2021]]. Null positioned himself to be something of a caretaker for Chris, being one of the few people that he would listen to, organizing travel plans for him to safely get to conventions while also getting him in the habit of completing commission work to fund those travel plans. He stated that when [[Barbara]] dies, he had plans to try to get Chris into assisted living.&lt;br /&gt;
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Of course, things did not work out that way. In the wake of the [[July 2021]] [[Affair with Mother|incest]] allegations against Chris, Null had a conversation with Chris in which he found that Chris lied about his financial situation and that Chris had [[Chris and money#Theft|taken money]] from Barbara's bank account in a potential violation of his EPO. Following the conversation, Null cut ties with Chris, while Chris felt betrayed that the information about his incestuous acts came to light. Chris now sees Null as a Judas Iscariot-like figure once his [[Messiah complex]] reached new heights, since he now believes himself to be Jesus reincarnated.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Ownership of Kiwi Farms==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Kiwi Farms}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I started hosting the CWCki Forums in [[2013]]. Before [[Bob Chandler|Bob]] died, [[trolling]] Chris was particularly funny, but after Bob has died, it has become less funny and more miserable every goddamn year.|Null, on Chris' [[weens|current-day trolls]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;currenttrolls&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
Previously existing as a Chris-focused message board in various iterations, in February 2015 the CWCki Forums was consolidated into the Kiwi Farms, shifting focus away from just Chris as the board expanded its horizons to other potential lolcows. Though he wasn't its founder, Null is the current owner of the site, though has often referred to Chris as a &amp;quot;dead cow&amp;quot; and largely shifts his focus to moderating the other boards.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Dead Cow]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; As of 2022, his ill-advised antagonism of certain cows (such as non-binary video game developer Near/Byuu and transgender Twitch streamer Keffals) and mismanagement of the site has lead to frequent downtime and deplatforming; this has left Kiwi Farms as a less reliable resource for Chris information and discussion. &lt;br /&gt;
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===1776 Hosting===&lt;br /&gt;
In 2018, Null launched a hosting service that hosted his Kiwi Farms forum. From 2018-2022, [[Marvin]], the [[CWCki]]'s owner, had the CWCki on 1776's service. As the result of a wave of DDoS attacks against Kiwi Farms in late summer 2022 which rendered 1776 Hosting unresponsive, Marvin opted to migrate the CWCki to another host in October 2022.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early Involvement==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BBOSBox.jpg|thumb|200px|The Kiwi Farms care package.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:BBOSLetter.jpg|thumb|200px|The smaller items included, including a letter.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Fundraiser===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|2014 house fire}}&lt;br /&gt;
In [[2014]], after Chris [[14_Branchland_Court#Destruction_of_the_Chandler_Household|accidentally burned down his house]], Null sympathized, as he himself had suffered a house fire in his youth. He organized [[Chris_and_money#After_the_house_fire|a fundraiser]] on the forum that resulted in several hundred dollars worth of supplies being sent as a care package for Chris to get on his feet again, with the remainder of the amount sent as a money order. Mistakenly thinking that the money order was signed incorrectly (and thus rendered useless), Chris insulted Null by calling him a &amp;quot;{{w|Dodo}} brain&amp;quot; on Facebook.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[January 2014 Facebook Posts#Hey, Dodo Brain!]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In [[2017]], Chris piled on by tweeting &amp;quot;Null is a dull lull; [[random-access humor|LOL]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[August 2016 Facebook posts]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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===CWCki Forums Private Board===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|CWCki Forums posts (Null)#Closure of CWCki Forums Private Board}}&lt;br /&gt;
In November 2014, Null wrote a post on how he had closed down a private discussion subforum used by trolls. He did so in an attempt to discourage trolls after [[Thetan]] and [[Cousin Al]]'s antics (respectively, impersonating multiple people in Chris's life, and rooting through Chris's garbage), saying that the trolling disturbed him and he didn't think there was any more comedy to get from Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[CWCki Forums posts (Null)#Closure of CWCki Forums Private Board]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cville Pride Ween===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Countering Cville Ween}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 19 [[September 2015]], Chris attended [[Cville Pride]], a pride event in Charlottesville. A [[ween]] used Null's e-mail to send a message to the convention staff, where they pretended to be a concerned parent of a girl who went to the pride parade, only to be touched inappropriately by Chris. Null, upon finding a worried response from Cville Pride, posted the e-mail on [[Kiwi Farms]] and messaged the staff to clarify that this was a fabricated story.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Guard Dogs==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Guard Dogs}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Null pushed to have the [[Idea Guys]] investigated for their alleged extortion and blackmailing of Chris. For a time, Null assisted Chris by screening his messages to separate [[ween]] and [[troll]] e-mails from legitimate [[business]] dealings. The other Guard Dogs had vouched for Null to Chris, who rationalized the inclusion of Null – whom he would have considered a troll at any other point in time due to his ownership of [[Kiwi Farms]] – by playing make-believe that Stan Smith, a character from ''[[Family_Guy#American_Dad.21|American Dad!]]'', had vouched for Null as well:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|when Chris first started messaging me he said that Stan Smith from ''American Dad'' said I was somehow affiliated with the FBI/CIA, which I think is entirely his head canon. If you wonder why I'm a big softy with Chris, there's a good example.|Null&amp;lt;ref name=stan&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Stan Smith]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC drawing for Joshua Moon.jpg|thumb|250px|Drawing Chris sent to Null. Note how uncomfortable Null's Ponysona looks after Chris hits on him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's communication with Null got off to a rocky start. Null tried to avoid the subject of [[Chris_and_reality|Chris's delusions]] as he did not want to further damage Chris's mental state, but Chris insisted on bringing up the matter. Null was subsequently horrified by what he had learned about Chris's deteriorating psyche:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He is utterly convinced [fictional characters are real]. I can't approach the topic with him at all. The first thing he asked me when we started talking was if I believed in the [[dimensions|alternate dimensions]] and I said no. He got very mad, started describing his adventures, and I had to walk it back by saying &amp;quot;I can only speak on experience&amp;quot;.|Null&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris's Beliefs]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after beginning talks with Null, Chris drew an art piece of him as a ''[[My Little Pony]]'' character to show appreciation for his Guard Dog-related efforts in May 2018, and followed Kiwi Farms's [[Twitter]] account a few days later. The drawing features Chris calling Null &amp;quot;handsome and cute&amp;quot;. In spite of the best efforts of the Guard Dogs, however, Chris continued to hold many of the Idea Guy-based delusions to his heart as he eagerly anticipated the [[Dimensional Merge]] and his role in it.&lt;br /&gt;
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After the Idea Guys, Null continued to protect Chris from [[weens]], shown in his thread [[OPERATION: Kingsnake]], where he monitors Chris's email account and publicly doxes anyone who tried to troll him. His protection of Chris is best shown in a message sent to [[Jack Z]].&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|if you fuck with my tard, there are no rules. i have no idea what you're doing but if you're going to a con there will be pictures of you and they will be on [[Kiwi Farms|this site]]. i will make sure your grandchildren, god forbid you have them, know you as 'that fucking faggot loser grandpa who fucked with a mentally ill tranny for fun at a male pony convention'. your feats will be etched into a particularly well illuminated corner of this website until the day i fucking die|Null&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NullsThreatToJackZ.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;:}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Disillusionment with Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite efforts from Null and the other Guard Dogs, Chris still managed to bumble his way into the embrace of trolls such as the [[Teen Troon Squad]]. In addition, Chris constantly tried to steer conversations towards his fantasies as a distraction from the unpleasant reality that the Guard Dogs brought up, as seen in [[Guard Dog chats]]. Null was eventually alienated by this behavior and walked away from Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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On 25 [[August 2019]], Chris, during his phase of [[Spirit_possession#Magi-Chan_.2814_August_2019_-_14_September_2019.29|role-playing as Magi-Chan]], attempted to get back in contact with Null, though Chris got upset and ragequit when Null refused to entertain his delusions.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Chris just sent me some shit out of the blue and he immediately got upset and shut up after I addressed him as &amp;quot;Chris&amp;quot; instead of Magichan. Every single time I see this ludicrous faggot shit he's doing it's like losing {{w|Terry A. Davis|Terry [Davis]}} again. It makes me so fucking sad.|Null&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad About Chris's Roleplaying]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Months later, when a Kiwi Farms user wondered if Null would be intervening with [[Jacob Sockness]] during that saga, Null reiterated his stance that he had washed his hands of Chris:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing shit. Stop tagging me into the Chris board. I don't care.|Null&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Not Dealing with Sockness]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Chris turns against Null===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Even Null will be cowering before the judgment of the good deities, including Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu, herself.|Chris, [[June 2020]], during his phase of [[Spirit_possession#Sonichu_.2815_April_2020_-_25_February_2021.29|role-playing as Sonichu]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1267923788412452866?s=19&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[November 2019]], Sockness, intent on [[Chris and manipulation|manipulating]] Chris to trust only him, maligned Null to Chris, telling Chris that Null was a murderer and accused him of being &amp;quot;the devil in human flesh&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://web.archive.org/web/20191103065043if_/https://twitter.com/wkbh1983/status/1190880485716582400 2 Nov 2019 tweet (archive)]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Since Sockness had been giving validation for Chris's Dimensional Merge beliefs, Chris easily took his word on Null, who had only given help based in reality and refused to entertain Chris's fantasies during his time as a Guard Dog. Chris then took to Twitter to denigrate Null and the Kiwi Farms. Among his quotes:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|I personally attest and confirm to these things against the Farms and Null. I am well-aware that not Everyone on the Farms is evil, but I still see genuine good amongst the remainder. Even a look into Null’s eyes reveals his demonic influence, even photographed. But, at this point and juncture, I feel it is time that I step up and finally begin the process of taking down the KiwiFarms for good. Everyone with genuine good in your hearts, I implore you all to leave the web forum for good. The time of its downfall in these set of events is upon us. I stand with the Good People in deity-level Light Power to take down the evils Null has been trying to influence upon everyone. The lives of those taken by his influence shall not have been lost in vain. Null, Troll Us No More! ⚡️💙⚡️&amp;lt;ref name=demonic&amp;gt;[[November 2019 social media posts#Bashing Null]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quotebox|Look, I Understand how this affects y’all, the good peoples; I am not blind to that. Which is Why I am encouraging all of you to ditch the KiwiFarms and escape Null’s deceptive grasp. Don’t let yourselves continue to be linked to this slew of murderous links and malintentions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1191058119901749249&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quotebox|[...] defending the Earths from the likes of Null and [[Jakoba]]. ⚡️💙⚡️&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1191800205626298369&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris further stated that pony Null would die in the Dimensional Merge while noting that the Idea Guys would live:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quotebox|I have read, re-read and meditated on this event: I confirm that [Sockness's assertion that trolls will not survive the Merge as their OCs will be wiped out] happens to the self-counterparts of all Haters and really bad people of [[1218]], as they were isolated in this one distant “Troll City”; All neutral and Good Trolls remain unaffected, as well as the few select bad people and haters, as they are fated to continue for a future judgment and retribution, such as [[Idea Guys|IdeaGuy and Boyd]] paying back what they extorted. I do confirm, that not of a disease, but a fated event literally took out Null’s Equestria (Pony) OC axnd self-counterpart, even though drawn by my hand some time ago. This had happened beyond my own control. So, among the bulk of Haters, Null will not survive.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1193056298750955525&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Reconnected==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Moon is an ally; we are of neutral feeling about him, and we are most grateful for his help and abilities throughout all of these times, despite his consciously spoken “disbelief” in things “fictional”, regardless of them all being literal fact and happening as we speak.|Chris in [[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 2]], August 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
After [[Sockness]]'s influence over Chris ended, Chris viewed Null as an ally once again. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
During his phase of being [[Spirit possession|possessed by Sonichu]], Chris would [[Null DMs#Chris wants to role-play|send a series of messages]] to Null, spouting bizarre lore about [[Jacob Sockness]]. Null responded by first complimenting Chris on the joy he's brought to many people and said that he was open to help him if he needed something. But continued on to say that he refused to role-play or talk with him about things that aren't real. Chris responded somewhat angrily, saying that he really was possessed by [[Sonichu]] and continued rambling about more lore until Null finally told him he wasn't interested on giving more attention to [[Jacob Sockness]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In [[September 2020]], Null tried to assist Chris with catching up on unfulfilled customer orders (which Chris took advantage of in a talk with a customer, telling the customer to talk to Null about a delay in shipping instead).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Justin DMs]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In [[November 2020]], Null assisted Chris with arranging potential interviews.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2020 social media posts#Dimensional merge stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In [[February 2021]], Null asked Chris for permission to use his image in the creation and sale of coins for a Kiwi Farms merch run, also offering compensation for using his likeness.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Coin Run Compensation]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris agreed to this.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/Job4_2/status/1381713091092738052 (Archive https://archive.fo/9FDsh)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Null has stated that he has a plan for assisting Chris with [[Chris%27s_homes|housing]] after his mother passes away.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Housing Plan]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was apparently under the impression Null had ties to organized crime. According to Null, at some point, Chris tried asking him to kill someone.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Wanting Null to Kill Someone]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; According to [[Kyle]], in [[February 2021]], Chris wanted a hooker and asked Kyle to ask Null to get him one.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Place chats (March 2021)#Chris wanted a hooker]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In [[June 2021]], Null announced that Chris would attend [[Everfree Northwest]], a ''[[My Little Pony]]'' convention to be held on 13 [[August 2021]]. He mentioned vetoing Chris's plan to drive there and recommended taking a flight, saying he would help Chris with financial arrangements.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Everfree Northwest Announcement]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; On 9 July 2021, Null created [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW|a GoFundMe campaign to raise money for the trip]]. The GoFundMe met its $1000 goal 6 hours after going live. Throughout the majority of [[July 2021]], Null helped Chris by continuing to organize and update the GoFundMe campaign.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
===Silver coin merch run===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Kiwi Farms silver coin design.png|thumb|200px|Design of the coin]]&lt;br /&gt;
On 1 [[February 2021]], Null announced on [[Kiwi Farms]] that he was planning to sell custom silver coins as a merch run, and that his idea was to have imagery of the Kiwi Farms on one side of the coin and Chris on the other.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms,net/threads/perhaps-the-most-retarded-idea-ive-ever-had.84199/ ([https://archive.ph/yIsTP archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:CWCCoinPose.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Chris attempts to photograph a profile shot of himself for Null's coin run.]]&lt;br /&gt;
On 4 February, he posted a photo of Chris posing for the coin, who wore his [[medallion]], [[Sailor Moon]] tiara, and [[Breathe It In]] shirt.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris's Photo for Coin Merch]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; On 12 April, Null posted that Chris was [[Ego|very into the idea]] of being featured on the coin when Null asked for his permission. Null further claimed that Chris had offered to tweet about it the previous week. On the topic of compensation towards Chris for using his likeness, Null claimed he would send a bunch of coins to [[14 Branchland Court]], and send some cash over or offer to help pay for Chris's future car repairs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Chris's Permission for Coin Merch]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Null mentioned that Chris had a suggestion for the coin's motto, which Null rejected, citing his desire for a motto with broader appeal and the length of Chris's motto being too long to fit on the coin. As Null recalled, the suggested motto was akin to &amp;quot;Zappin' to the Extreme with Sonichu &amp;amp; Rosechu and the Electric Blueheart CPU Goddess&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Coin Motto]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Sales of the coin hit an unexpected problem in summer 2021 when Chris was found to have committed [[incest]]. On 1 August, Null announced that he would not change the coin design, but would provide refunds upon request, and promised the coins would be the last items he would sell with direct reference to Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/perhaps-the-most-retarded-idea-ive-ever-had.84199/page-123#post-9605029 ([https://archive.fo/G7zca archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Kiwi Farms silver coin photo.jpg|thumb|200px|Photo of the coin by a customer]]&lt;br /&gt;
Following delays and other issues with the coin run, on 17 September 2021, orders began to be received by customers.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/perhaps-the-most-retarded-idea-ive-ever-had.84199/page-161#post-10000687 ([https://archive.fo/SOCwI archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In February 2022, Null sent out emails to customers stating that all should have received their coins.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/perhaps-the-most-retarded-idea-ive-ever-had.84199/page-196#post-11200205 ([https://archive.ph/nC8YA archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
On 31 July 2021, Chris had lied to Null, concerning money Chris had taken out of his mother's bank account. This compelled Null to cut ties with Chris. As a result of this, and Chris's address not being public information as of October 2023, it is unclear whether Null will be able to compensate Chris for his imagery on the coins as originally planned.  &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{clear}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Null cuts ties==&lt;br /&gt;
{{See also|Affair with Mother}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I really don't think you will ever get it. It's probably too late now anyways.|Null, after finding out Chris had [[Affair with Mother|sex with his own mother]], and a day before blocking him}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The following day on 31 July 2021, during the fallout from the aforementioned incest allegations against Chris, who was now legally barred from [[14 Branchland Court]] and from contacting his mother for a week by Emergency Protective Order, a conversation was held between Null and Chris. Null, who was allowed by Chris to help manage his email account, noticed an email notification from a bank showing a transfer of $750 from Barbara's bank account to Chris. When asked, Chris initially denied transferring any money, but later admitted to lying to Null about the funds after being confronted with proof. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Null then notified the [[jerkop|police]] that Chris had taken money from Barbara in a potential violation of the EPO and then cut all ties with Chris, blocking him on Telegram.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Null DMs#Chris takes money from Barb]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Aftermath===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|Fate and Karma are hitting Josh Moon Hard for his past sins and demonics. And yet, I still find curious if either he or [[Bella]] would have been better kissers than Judas Isacariot.|Chris, in a [[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022|July 2022 letter]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
In [[September 2021|September]], Chris, from jail, directed [[Jail Letter - 19 September 2021|a letter to Null]] in which he expressed upset at Null for &amp;quot;betraying&amp;quot; him over revealing the theft and mentioned that he had taken the money because he had felt uncomfortable sleeping in his car in a parking lot. He compared Null's behavior to Judas's betrayal of Jesus in the [[Chris and religion|Bible]]. The money which Chris had stolen had gone toward a motel room (and likely, [[LEGO]] toys).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Saga#Arrest]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:CWC follows Kiwi Farms.png|Chris follows [[Kiwi Farms]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:Sonichu 12-9 Bonus Pull-Out Poster.jpg|Pony Null appears in a bonus page for [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:July9Artwork.jpg|Artwork Chris made for Null in order to promote the July 2021 GoFundMe campaign.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Kiwimac.jpg|Null's ponysona defending [[Nightstar]] on a [[TSSSF]] card.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Teammates2021.jpg|Another TSSSF card.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Guard Dogs]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guys]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]], referred to by some as OnionNull.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kiwi Farms]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Null DMs]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[OPERATION: Kingsnake]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{SecondExile}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{GuardDogSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{IncestSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Guard Dogs]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Real people who have appeared in Sonichu comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<title>Christian Weston Chandler</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:''This article is about Chris himself... it is his article and nothing less! For the &amp;quot;Sonichu&amp;quot; character, see [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)]]. For other uses, see [[Christian Weston Chandler (disambiguation)]].&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;''&lt;br /&gt;
:''&amp;quot;Christian&amp;quot; redirects here. For our hero's view on Christianity, see [[Chris and religion]].''&lt;br /&gt;
{{Transgender|MTF}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Unreliable|type=cred|Chris is a [[List of Chris's lies|habitual liar]].|Chris will often exaggerate things that happened, often to [[Chris and his ego|make himself look better]].|Chris is considerably [[naïve]].|Chris's accounts on how a certain event went down will often vary with each time he recalls it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Unreliable|type=sock}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
| title = Christian Weston Chandler&lt;br /&gt;
| image = 0773-CWC23.JPG&lt;br /&gt;
| size = 350&lt;br /&gt;
| name    = Christopher Weston Chandler (1982–[[Christopher's name change|1992]]) &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; Christian Weston Chandler ([[Christopher's name change|1992]]–2016) &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; Christine Weston Chandler (2016–present)&lt;br /&gt;
| aliases    = Chris-Chan&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Chris Chan&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;CWC&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Bob Chandler|Little C]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Spanish|Ricardo]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Hotel Ricky Ricardo|RWC]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Sonichu (character)|Father]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Sonichu (character)|Pop]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt; [[Rosechu (character)|Papa]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Ian Brandon Anderson]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Liquid Chris|Solid Chris]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[JenkinsJinkies|Junior Jenkins]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Surfshack Tito E-mails|Little Cuz]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Carlos Chantor]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia|KookyDashy]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Kookydash.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 24|Kaka Apple Chrissy]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Facebook|Tini]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[CWCki Forums|paintingatree]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Women Only Need Apply - No STD's|Stephanie Bustcakes]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Night Star]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[CPU Blue Heart]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[CWC Psychlight]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms|LegendaryChristorian]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[CWCki Forums|OPL (Our Pet Lolcow)]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Internet Dream Lounge|Natalie Portman]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Sonichu and Rosechu's Children|Grandma Christine]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Sonichu (character)|Mother]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Sonichu (character)|Mama]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[:File:Princess Fehuni Hitikara TSSSF.jpg|Princess Fehuni Hitikara]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Spirit possession|Sonichu]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 19 September 2021|Jesus Christ]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 19 September 2021|Camera #000]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 8 November 2021 (RadioRabbit0)|Christine Chan Sonichu]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jail Communications|Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 9 December 2021|Jesus Christ Chan]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jail Call - 13 January 2022|Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Teflon Tard&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[PlayStation_Network#Post-jail_activity|Christ Chan Prime]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Saga#Second_Coming_(8_August_2023_-_Present)|The Second Coming]]&lt;br /&gt;
|month=2&lt;br /&gt;
|day=24&lt;br /&gt;
|gender=[[JERKS|Male]] (1982–2016)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Transgender|Transwoman]] (2016–present)&lt;br /&gt;
|nation=[[United States|American]]&lt;br /&gt;
|religion=&amp;quot;[[Chris and religion|Neo Spiritual Christianity]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
|race=White (1/8&amp;lt;sup&amp;gt;th&amp;lt;/sup&amp;gt; &amp;quot;[[Cherokian]]&amp;quot;)&lt;br /&gt;
|label8=Height&lt;br /&gt;
|ft=5&lt;br /&gt;
|in=10&lt;br /&gt;
|heightsrc=&amp;lt;ref name=16novletter&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 16 November 2021]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|lb=203 &lt;br /&gt;
|weightsrc=&amp;lt;ref name=16novletter&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|father   = [[Bob Chandler|Robert Franklin Chandler Jr.]] (1927–2011)&lt;br /&gt;
|mother   = [[Barbara Chandler]] (1941–present)&lt;br /&gt;
|siblings   = [[Cole Smithey]] (half-brother)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[David Alan Chandler]] (half-brother)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Carol Chandler]] (half-sister)&lt;br /&gt;
|education   = [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] (AAS, [[CADD]])&lt;br /&gt;
|occupation   = Freelance comic book artist ([[Lulu|self-published]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Video game designer (unpublished)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Wendy's]] employee ([[2001]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cutco]] salesman ([[2003]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|Musician]] ([[2003]]-[[2009]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Carlos Chantor|Male escort]] ([[2010]], unpaid)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Entrepreneur, [[Chris and business|Cwcville Shopping]] ([[2014]]–[[2016]])&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Stephanie Bustcakes|Prostitute]] ([[2016]], unpaid)&lt;br /&gt;
|spouse = [[Cryzel Rosechu]], [[Magi-Chan Sonichu]] (m. March 2018) &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; [[Sylvana]] Rosechu, [[Mewtwo]] (m. June 2018) &amp;lt;br&amp;gt; and [[Pickchu]] (m. May 2022)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Miss Cherry asks Chris about his marriages.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|titles = Sonichu Creator&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Chronicler of Sonichu &amp;amp; Rosechu&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU Goddess]] of the Nations of [[Cwcville]], Comma, and the [[Commodore 64|Commodore Consoles]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://archive.fo/v5aVW&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Queen of Modern Laughter&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Internet Dream Lounge#Outro .281:12:27-1:16:25.29]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 19 September 2021|The Real Player One]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;!--Do NOT include saga denotation templates in this infobox, as Chris has been involved in all sagas, and is the main subject of the CWCki--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I am the [[Slow-in-the-minds|high-functioning]] [[Autism|autistic]] person who was heavily [[Megan Schroeder|emotionally damaged]], [[Chris and art|artistic]] [[Things Chris has ripped off|inspiration]] lost with paranoia, [[Kacey Call 1|deception]], [[Calling Out &amp;quot;Tito&amp;quot; - Don|blackmail]] and [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|plain hurtful words]] from those bottom-feeding [[Trolls]]. I am the hand-drawing original [[Chris and copyright|creator]] of [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], [[Rosechu]] and the city of [[CWCville|Cwcville]], [[Virginia]], [[United States of America|USA]].|[[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia|KookyDashy]], AKA Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#We've been found AND mocked horribly! :(]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Behold, the Mistake of God!|[[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] on Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
'''Christine Weston Chandler''', formerly '''Christian Weston Chandler''' (born: '''Christopher Weston Chandler'''; 24 February [[1982]]) is a {{Age|1982|2|24}}-year-old [[Autism|autistic]], [[Chris and mental healthcare|mentally ill]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Confirmed by placement in the [[Therapeutic Docket]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [[JERKS|misandristic]] and [[Women's rights|misogynistic]] [[Chris and art|cartoonist]], [[YouTube]]r, [[Chris and the law|criminal]], former [[virgin with rage]], self-proclaimed [[CPU Blue Heart|deity]], and [[Affair with Mother|literal motherfucker]]. He is commonly referred to by his nickname '''Chris-Chan''' or '''Chris Chan''', by his initials '''CWC''', or simply the gender-neutral '''Chris'''. He looks kind of like a cartoon version of {{w|Benjamin Franklin}} come to life, and is considered to be one of the most well-known and well-documented lolcows in internet culture – if not one of the most well-documented people in history.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Some would consider Chris to be a celebrity, but he hasn't sold a multi-platinum [[Chris and music|album]], nor has he been awarded with an [[Chris and cinematography|Oscar]]. Instead, he is the [[Things Chris has ripped off|creator]] of the infamous webcomic ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'', which ostensibly tells the story of an [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] and his [[sweetheart]] [[Rosechu]] and their adventures with the [[Chaotic Combo]]. In practice, the webcomic really serves as [[Chris and coping#Power fantasies|wish fulfillment]] for Chris himself, allowing him to express his dissatisfaction with how [[Mary Lee Walsh|the faculty at school and college]] didn't acknowledge [[Honor roll|what he saw as an exemplary academic performance]] [[Count Graduon|when he graduated]], along with his frustration over [[Love Quest|being unable to find a romantic partner]]; as such, the book let him redirect his [[Chris and anger|anger]] toward [[Jerkop|the people who]] [[Manajerks|impeded his journey]], casting them as villains and himself as [[List of unheroic protagonist actions|a true Campbellian hero]] in his narrative. After completing his education, Chris was unemployed for most of his adult life, making a living off of [[Monthly tugboat|welfare]] and [[Patreon|donations]] from his webcomic's [[True and Loyal Fanbase]].&lt;br /&gt;
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In late [[2007]], he became [[Chris and the Internet|Internet]]-famous when images of him at [[The GAMe PLACe|a tabletop gaming store]] leaked out to the {{w|Something Awful}} message boards. Upon discovery, Chris was mocked for his [[Chris and fashion|odd fashion sense]] and [[Obesity|oafish appearance]], and images of Chris at the store soon spread to places like [[4-cent_garbage.com|4chan]] and [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], and in the process, many [[trolls]] were exposed to his webcomic for the first time, propelling Chris to stardom. Initial fascination was spurred on by his [[Chris and art|childlike artwork]], his signature homemade [[Medallions|Sonichu medallion]] that he wore in public, and his history of loitering in [[Attraction Locations|public places]] while literally holding up a [[Attraction Sign|sign]] asking women to talk to him. [[List of Chris's edits to Encyclopedia Dramatica|His reaction to the ensuing mockery]] led to a cycle of [[Honest Content|Chris revealing more disturbing facts about himself]] and [[Chris and manipulation|trolls going to greater and greater lengths to uncover more knowledge about this strange individual]]. Thus, Chris's life began to spiral out of control with the advent of organized trolling, [[Chris and...|armchair psychological analysis]] from bewildered onlookers, and some truly bizarre antics from Chris that continue to this day, which would influence the development of the webcomic whenever he got around to updating it.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's most notable period of activity on the internet occurred between 2007 and 2010 – a period now dubbed [[Saga#Classic Chris Era (27 October 2007 to 20 March 2010)|the &amp;quot;Classic Era&amp;quot;]] by modern Christorians – in which he was repeatedly catfished by trolls pretending to be [[Sweetheart from the Ground-Up|romantic interests]], and he lashed out against arch-enemy [[Clyde Cash]], the leader of the most notable group of trolls in his life: [[Trolls#The Miscreants|The Miscreants]]. In this time, [[Julie Reveals Herself|he was duped by]] [[BlueSpike|a sadistic 13-year-old]] [[List of things Chris has shoved up his ass|into stuffing his medallion up his ass]], [[Liquid Chris|he had his identity stolen by a far more talented individual]], [[Asperchu|and he had ''Sonichu'' mercilessly spoofed by a webcomic team that designed a story to piss him off]], among other misadventures. However, he eventually decided to sign off from the Internet at the end of this period, seemingly wising up to his dang dirty trolls. When he inevitably returned to the limelight a few months later in 2011, he was not the same. [[Tomgirl Pictures|Chris began to experiment with crossdressing, calling himself a &amp;quot;Tomgirl&amp;quot;]], before eventually coming out as [[transgender]] in late 2014.&lt;br /&gt;
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From here, Chris's internet life stayed relatively normal (by his standards), despite his shift in gender identity, his father's death (which led to the retirement of the Miscreants), [[28 October 2011|a hit-and-run case]], [[2014 house fire|the accident that caused his house to burn down]], and [[26 December 2014|an incident where he maced an employee at a GameStop store]] [[Sonic Boom Protests|over the color of Sonic's arms]]. Things changed when two new sets of trolls – known as the [[Idea Guys]] and the [[Teen Troon Squad]] – [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwashed]] him with increasingly-insane beliefs (such as the idea that he and both of his parents are [[Sonichu (species)|half-Sonichu]] or [[Rosechu (species)|half-Rosechu]]), culminating in [[Chris and reality|Chris's revelation]] that he was [[CPU Blue Heart|a goddess]] meant to bring about [[Dimensional Merge|a convergence of dimensions]] between [[Dimensions#C-197|the world shown in his webcomic]] and our world, effectively starting a doomsday cult around what began as a silly, self-indulgent ''[[Sonic the Hedgehog]]'' and ''[[Pokémon]]'' crossover. Afterward, Chris used [[Messiah complex|this delusion]] as an elaborate [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism while he continued his self-destructive habits.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the trolls in question being driven out by the effort of the [[Guard Dogs]] trying to keep Chris from going further down a path of ruination (and to keep him from embarrassing himself any more), Chris chose to keep clinging to these unhealthy and downright absurd beliefs. All the while, Chris's [[Chris and health|physical]] and [[Chris and mental healthcare|mental health]] withered away, and [[Financhu Crisis|money became a serious issue for the Chandler household]], while Chris's mother isn't long for this world, all of which led Chris to retreat even further into his fantasies. It got to the point where [[Spirit possession|he pretended to be possessed by various fictional characters]] on a regular basis, with one nearly year-long period of &amp;quot;possession&amp;quot; by Sonichu serving as a way for Chris to cope with the fact that he wasn't able to attend [[BABSCon|two ''My Little Pony'' conventions]] that had been cancelled during the [[COVID-19]] pandemic.&lt;br /&gt;
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The point of no return was finally crossed in [[2021]], after [[Incest Call|leaked audio]] revealed that [[Affair with Mother|he had several incestuous encounters with his mother]], which forcibly evicted him from [[14 Branchland Court|his own home]] and sent him to [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]], which became his most publicized incident in years. During that time, [[Jail Communications|letters from jail]] illustrate that he went even deeper into his own fantasies by believing himself to be {{w|Jesus|Jesus Christ}} reincarnated. Chris was later transferred to the [[Western State Hospital]] mental institution for three months before returning to jail, until he was released in [[March 2023]]. Since his release, he has kept a [[Twitter#Post-jail activity|fairly low profile]], but is steadily increasing his online output without directly engaging with anyone.&lt;br /&gt;
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There has never been an internet personality quite like Chris-Chan, thanks to the unique circumstances shaping his peculiar behavior and subsequently leading to his prominence online, and there may never be another quite like him – he is truly one of a kind. It is the dedicated mission of [[CWCki|this very wiki]] to chronicle his life in ridiculous detail, and if you want to go down the seemingly bottomless rabbit hole with us, then you should probably start by reading this page. Buckle up, because this is going to be a long ride, and the end is nowhere in sight.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Overview==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Protip|After publicly identifying as a transwoman since late 2014, Chris's gender identity has been the subject of much discussion among Christorians and controversy in and out of the trans community. For the purpose of keeping consistent with records from before the transition, and not causing additional confusion for readers, the CWCki has opted to use masculine pronouns to describe Chris, even post-transition.&lt;br /&gt;
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Be aware that not all Christorians accept this approach, with some opting to describe Chris exclusively with feminine pronouns after Chris identified as a transwoman, and others compromising by using gender-neutral pronouns, or pronouns applicable to various points in Chris's life reflecting Chris's gender identity at the time.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's legal name is currently Christine, but the nickname Chris is gender-neutral and can abbreviate every full name Chris has identified by. Chris has accepted it as a nickname despite formerly objecting to it post-transition. Because of this, the CWCki most commonly uses this name when discussing Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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In any case, Chris is legally registered as female and has taken hormones to transition, but has not undergone gender reassignment surgery, and most likely never will due to a handful of factors (including socioeconomic status and criminal history).}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He seems intelligent enough to understand that he does not understand, and that is the hardest part of all.|An anonymous [[University of Virginia]] student making an observation about Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[https://thereisbeautyin.livejournal.com/4791.html &amp;quot;glass house&amp;quot;], a post from LiveJournal user thereisbeautyin.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Chris-Straw.jpg|thumb|left|[[The Oversized Drinking Straw of Fail|An infamous image Chris drew of himself enjoying a soda in 2 ways.]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Chris BronyCon18 with Sonichu.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Chris in [[July 2018]], posing with a fan cosplaying as Sonichu at [[BronyCon]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is a timid, autistic, self-identified [[Transgender|transwoman]] with delusional tendencies who has been allowed – by his parents,  [[Barbara Chandler]] and the deceased [[Bob Chandler]] – to eternally live like a child, amassing [[toys]] and [[video games]] into a single [[room]] in his parents' [[14 Branchland Court|house]]. Even into his forties, Chris remains so comfortable in his protected existence that he refuses to conform to societal norms. He has regularly demonstrated trouble displaying acceptable [[Love Quest|public]] [[Chris and the law|behavior]], recognizing when he needs to [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|use the washroom]], and using his time to [[Sonic Boom Protests|contribute]] [[Dimensional Merge|to]] [[Twitter|society]] in any meaningful way. Although the public school system forced Chris to face [[reality]], graduation has allowed him to stay indoors and avoid taking part in typical civilian activities, opting instead to stick to the comfort of living at home and subsisting off of taxpayer dollars. Due to this avoidance of the outside world, Chris hasn't held a steady [[Chris's resume|job]] [[Wendy's|since 2001]] (commissions and multi-level marketing aside), and he hasn't been employed for more than a few months in his whole life. It is likely Chris will never get a job again thanks to Patreon, the tugboat, the &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;begging&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; generous donations, and the fact he has flat out said his autism prevents him from getting a job (in spite of there being many social services available to help people with disabilities find work). Chris has had shockingly few meaningful relationships with people in a social setting outside of his parents, although he does manage to make friends with people who share his interests in nerd and LGBT culture&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Perspective on Chris's social life]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is completely obsessed with his OC and the associated comic, to the point that he has hand-crafted several [[medallions]] in Sonichu's shape. Between February [[2004]] and [[March 2010]], Chris was rarely seen or photographed without one of these totems, even wearing them in his [[:Image:License.jpg|driver's license photo]] and to his [[college]] graduation; the medallion disappeared for a time, but returned in [[September 2010]]. At the same time, he was completely convinced that everyone wants to learn about Sonichu, and that the only reason [[Nintendo]], Sega, and [[Sony]] haven't approached him about making ''Sonichu'' games is that they're either tough negotiators, or that his chances are being ruined by trolls working for them. For a while, Chris had operated an eBay shop where he would make and sell these medallions, including Sonichu, Rosechu, Blake, and even custom character options. These were sold for $30 apiece. After the eBay shop became a mild success, he moved to Etsy, but his laziness got the best of him and he lost the shop after nine months in business, due to failing to fulfill orders.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC Cycle.png|thumb|right|A useful tool for predicting Christory.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:SympathyForChris.png|thumb|left|An approximate graph which correlates knowledge about Chris to sympathy towards him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris used to absolutely hate [[homos|gay men]], and communicated this with such intensity that observers were easily convinced he was simply terrified of becoming gay himself. He cannot bear to look at another man's [[pickle|penis]], and he stared at [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|a ''Sailor Moon'' poster]] to keep himself straight.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Chris Destroys His Vibrator]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris' words do not always align with his actions; throughout his early Internet history, he appeared to be deeply insecure about his gender and sexuality. Even prior to his gender transition, he has [[Semen#Recycling|swallowed his own semen]], [[Sports bra photo series|worn a bra]], and only reined in his [[Tomgirl Pictures|tendency to proudly crossdress]] because his elderly mother intensely disapproved. While these actions do not indicate homosexuality outright, they do question the validity of Chris's own judgments on his sexual orientation. Surprisingly, however, his homophobia seemed to have little basis in his religious beliefs, as he had not noticed Leviticus 18:22, which condemns homosexuality, until he saw it on a 2009 episode of ''[[Family Guy]]''.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[CWC with Bible - Leviticus]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; His homophobia did not extend to lesbians, whom he is aroused by. Over time, Chris dropped his homophobic tendencies, [[Apology for past homophobic comments and homophobia.|apologized in 2015]] and supports what he calls the [[SLGBTQ]] spectrum. In [[2018]], the [[Idea Guys]] [[brainwashed]] Chris into identifying as bisexual, although it's likely that this just as much a matter of Chris coming to terms with his own sexuality as it was the result of manipulation.&lt;br /&gt;
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His adult life has been largely defined by his goals of developing ''Sonichu'' into a hit media franchise to find financial success (or at least get his [[debt]]s under control), his [[Love Quest]] to obtain a &amp;quot;[[boyfriend-free girl|boyfriend-free]], 18-[''his current age'']-year old, caring, [[tobacky|smoke-free]], non-[[alcohol]]ic [[Chris and race|white]] girl&amp;quot; to make into a &amp;quot;[[Sweetheart from the Ground-Up|sweetheart from the ground-up]],&amp;quot; and, beginning from 2011, his gender identity as a [[tomgirl]] and later a lesbian transwoman. Later, Chris developed a [[Messiah complex]], believing himself to be [[Chris and religion|a reincarnation of Jesus Christ]] that is destined to facilitate a [[Dimensional Merge]] between fiction and reality.&lt;br /&gt;
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In short, Chris's story is one that seems fated to [[Chris and Death#Chris himself (1982–)|not have a happy ending]], with his life perhaps serving as a cautionary tale in the age of the internet. A tale of [[Borb|bad parenting]], [[Chris and socialization|social isolation]], [[Slow-in-the-minds|gullibility]], [[Chris and his ego|narcissism]], [[Chris and work|laziness]], [[Chris and hypocrisy|hypocrisy]], [[Chris and sex|sexual deviancy]], and most importantly, a tale of the world witnessing in real-time the slow, painful degradation of another human being.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Aliases==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Call me by the real name that [[Chris and religion|God]] [[Christopher's name change|and the bear]] [[Chris and English|has given me]] throughout my whole life. The current full name of Christian Weston Chandler, my first name being Christopher and my Spanish nickname being Ricardo. But in the end, just call me the full name, Christian Weston Chandler.|[[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|Chris making demands of]] [[Liquid Chris|his impostor]], years before legally changing his name to &amp;quot;Christine&amp;quot;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:0782-CWCSpread.JPG|thumb|left|Chris's self-portrait, complete with [[The Classic]] and [[Medallions#Sonichu Medallion|the Sonichu Medallion]], circa 2007. {{w|Ozymandias|&amp;quot;Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!&amp;quot;}}]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:093-CWCtoon.jpg|thumb|right|100px|[[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|Chris's hand-drawn representation of himself.]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Christian Weston Chandler has a wide array of names he has given himself. He was born Christopher Weston Chandler, but [[Christopher's name change|changed]] to &amp;quot;Christian&amp;quot; at the behest of the &amp;quot;[[Leonard Bearstein|mall conductor bear]]&amp;quot; that misheard his name, which he interpreted as a sign from God. During the mid-2000s, Chris adopted the nickname &amp;quot;Chris-Chan&amp;quot;, a play on his surname and the {{w|Japanese honorifics#Chan|Japanese honorific suffix ''-chan''}}, which according to Wikipedia &amp;quot;is used for young children, close friends, babies, grandparents and sometimes female adolescents&amp;quot;. Chris was exposed to this honorific through [[anime]] shows like ''{{w|Crayon Shin-chan}}'' and ''{{w|Super Milk Chan}}''. The name &amp;quot;Chris-Chan&amp;quot; is often mistakenly spelled without a hyphen as &amp;quot;Chris Chan&amp;quot;, as if Chris had named himself after {{w|Jackie Chan}}. [[Autism|Unusually]], before his gender transition Chris would often refer to himself by his full name, or if he was feeling especially formal as &amp;quot;Christopher Christian Weston Chandler&amp;quot;. He is [[Chris and his ego|unusually proud]] of his initials &amp;quot;CWC&amp;quot;, and often incorporates them into his creations and various puns on the word &amp;quot;quick&amp;quot;. Examples include [[CWCville]], [[A CWC Audition]] and [[CWC Dare]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after declaring himself a [[transgender]] lesbian, Chris started introducing himself as &amp;quot;Christine&amp;quot;. In May 2016, he successfully filed for another name change to &amp;quot;Christine Weston Chandler&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Court Record - 2016 Name Change from Christian to Christine (Chris, CL16000067-00).png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He then followed up by filing to alter the description for sex on his driver's license to female.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Christine license.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He now signs his name with &amp;quot;heart i's&amp;quot;. Legal documents refer to him as Christine Chandler,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Trespass case 2018.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; except for civil cases, in which he hadn't updated his name change information with plaintiffs.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Court Record - 2019 Midland Funding Debt Case, Garnishment (Chris, GV18000451-01).png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [[CWCki|This wiki]], however, refers to him as Chris for consistency.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cwc bronycon 2017 1.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Chris first identified by the name Christine in late 2014 before getting a legal name-change in 2016.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's nickname in his high school [[Spanish]] classes was &amp;quot;Ricardo&amp;quot;, and long after then he would still translate his own name to &amp;quot;Ricardo Weston Chandler&amp;quot; when writing or speaking in Spanish, likely due to his ignorance of the fact that you generally don't replace your own name with something completely different when speaking in another language. At times he would go so far as to announce himself as &amp;quot;Christopher Christian 'Ricardo' Weston Chandler&amp;quot;, or variants thereof, to identify himself precisely. In recent times, Chris has forgone stating his middle name, former names, and Spanish nickname in videos; now he usually leads with just &amp;quot;Christine Chandler&amp;quot;. (Chris has never come up with a feminine counterpart to his &amp;quot;Ricardo&amp;quot; nickname, or any other Spanish-sounding replacement.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Occasionally, Chris would use the names of his characters to refer to himself, most notably his evil twin, [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]], and of course, Sonichu. In his comics, Chris has the ability to transform into an [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]], named [[Chris-Chan Sonichu]]. As Chris grew even more unhinged in 2017 and fell under the [[Idea Guys]]'s sway in 2018, he would conflate himself even further with his fantastic inventions to the point where he unofficially added &amp;quot;Sonichu&amp;quot; to the end of his name (although this is not recognized as a legal name change, unlike &amp;quot;Christian&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;Christine&amp;quot; in previous years), to account for his later belief that he is actually half-Sonichu in real life following several rounds of brainwashing. Other modern names for himself include [[CPU Blue Heart]] and [[Night Star]], his self-inserts for the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' and ''[[My Little Pony]]'' franchises respectively. In contexts when he wants to be especially grandiose, he might append his various fictional alter egos to his name, much as he would list his former names in the past.&lt;br /&gt;
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Only a few of the names commonly used to refer to Chris were not invented by Chris himself. One of the most notable ones is &amp;quot;Chrissy&amp;quot;, popularized by [[YouTube#Fan archives and leaks|Arjen Van Dierten]] oddly enough, trying to mockingly feminize Chris's name seemed to predict his eventual interest in crossdressing and later interest in becoming transgender. [[Ian Brandon Anderson]], which was derived from Chris's IBAChandler [[YouTube]] account, was popularized by [[Liquid Chris]], [[CHRIS!!! CHANDLER!!!|much to Chris's angst]]. Less notably, there is also &amp;quot;Solid Chris&amp;quot;, used by some to differentiate him from Liquid in the tradition of [[Metal Gear|a certain video game series]]. Certain A-Loggers have been known to refer to Chris as &amp;quot;Satan's Agent on Earth&amp;quot;. Users of [[Kiwi Farms]] have coined the term &amp;quot;Classic Chris&amp;quot; to refer to Chris before Bob's death and/or before the [[Tomgirl Saga]], with &amp;quot;Modern Chris&amp;quot; being used to describe his more recent antics.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|The most important parting words I can leave you with – well, are to always remember this. You show people where your [[Kick the Autistic|weak points]] are located, then [[Trolls|they]] will know how to [[Chris and anger|push your button]]. If you never show them, they will never know.|[[Virginia Jeanine Sanford]] giving Chris valuable advice that he, unfortunately, did not follow.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Christopher Weston Chandler was born on 24 February 1982 at {{w|Martha Jefferson Hospital}} in [[Charlottesville, VA|Charlottesville]], [[Virginia]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;WikiProfile&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Chris's Wikipedia profile]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; His parents, [[Borb|Robert and Barbara]], worked as an engineer at Western Electric (later General Electric) and an office worker at Virginia Power, respectively. Although little is known about Chris's toddler years, the [[Autism papers]] revealed that he his linguistic abilities were subpar, which became his first sign of [[autism]]. Despite this, Chris claims his first word, &amp;quot;monkey,&amp;quot; was spoken at just 6 weeks old,&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Wikipedia early&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[User:ChrisChanSonichu profile#His Early Years - Birth to 1992]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and he remains proud of this feat into adulthood, regardless of how obviously unlikely and physically impossible it is to be true – the language centers in the human brain literally cannot grasp English at 6 weeks, disregarding infantile vocal chords.&lt;br /&gt;
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An [[abusive babysitter]], who was alone with Christopher every day for years,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-3.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; allegedly locked him in a toy room at an early age after turning all the lights off, an event he described as being immensely traumatic for him.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Wikipedia early&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; (Chris apparently missed the irony of the fact that he regularly locked himself in a room, surrounded by toys, for much of his adult life.) He once identified this confinement as the source of his autism (which is wishful thinking on Chris's part, considering that autism is a genetic condition that isn't triggered by external trauma). Between the ages of 1 and 7, Chris did not speak at all, and had to visit [[James Madison University]] for speech therapy, where he met his first male friend [[Joshua Martinez]]. He was diagnosed with high-functioning autism, with the doctor projecting (at least according to Chris) that he would never make it to high school, much less be able to write his own name.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Aspergers (CWCipedia article)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Chris was able to meet these cognitive milestones in time.&lt;br /&gt;
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During the [[1980s]], Christopher was playmates with [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]], one of his first friends. In one of the anecdotes that he's written about her (which are few and far between), Chris indicated that Sarah once convinced him that {{w|Casper the Friendly Ghost}} lived in the crawlspace under her house. When he crawled in there to look, she locked him in&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares#Memories of childhood|Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares, page 4]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; in a stunning display of their friendship, beginning Chris's lifelong career of getting trolled. Apparently, he doesn't hold any hard feelings over it (possibly just because she's a pretty girl – if a [[JERKS|guy]] or an [[Mary Lee Walsh|ugly girl]] did that to him, Chris would [[Death threats|swear vengeance]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris spent the [[1990s|1990-1991]] school year in the fourth grade at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]], until his parents pulled him out of classes over a mysterious dispute. Chris claims that he was forcefully restrained by the school's faculty, who recorded his screams,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Captain's Log, Stardate November 7th, 2007]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and that he was made to sit on the lap of the [[Bruce Johnson|principal]], an experience that supposedly inspired his homophobia. Chris later proclaimed that the abuse from the staff was the most traumatic experience of his life. It's possible that Chris's opinions about these events are colored more by his parents' attitudes than his own memories. The issue went to court, with Greene County seeking to have Chris sent to a &amp;quot;special school,&amp;quot; which Bob and Barbara likely interpreted to mean a nut-house. Chris was homeschooled through the 5th grade during these proceedings. While being homeschooled, the animatronic bear [[Leonard Bearstein]] misheard Christopher's first name and called him &amp;quot;Christian,&amp;quot; which inexplicably convinced Christopher to later have his name legally changed. When his family exhausted all legal recourse, Chris and his father relocated to [[Richmond]] so that Chris could continue his education in a different school system, starting with the sixth grade at [[Providence Middle School]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Wikipedia early&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;. He described his time there as pleasant, although he was often bullied by his classmates. His teacher, [[Virginia Jeanine Sanford]], helped him to develop social skills and cope with bullying, and Chris later called her the most influential person in his life.&lt;br /&gt;
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At age 11, Chris entered and won the [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch &amp;amp; Win Sweepstakes]]. On his 12th birthday, he enjoyed a $1,000 shopping spree as his prize. WVIR-TV's coverage of the event focused on Chris's autism, regarding the contest win as a worthy accomplishment due to his mental condition. Chris put footage from this newscast on [[YouTube]] long before he was known to the general public, and it remains the most solid evidence that he is not an elaborate troll. This incident is often cited as the beginning of Chris's tendency to use his autism as leverage for special treatment, as well as his fascination with toys and video games at the expense of more mature pursuits. It has also led Chris to constantly enter contests in hopes of winning big (or else [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|becoming infuriated and belligerent to the winners]] when he loses).&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0240-ChristianCBBall97.jpg|120px|thumb|left|Christian Weston Chandler, the basketball team's water boy. [[Semen|Don't drink anything from one of Chris's cups.]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:CWC12.png|120px|thumb|Hard to believe, but this photo has not been airbrushed to perfection.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris spent much of his time in [[Manchester High School|high school]] playing video games at home, reading ''[[Goosebumps]]'' novels, and hanging out with his &amp;quot;[[gal pal]]s&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;[[Joseph Herring|friend]]&amp;quot; at school (though as it turned out, many of these gal-pals were arranged friendships). It was at this time that he first put his &amp;quot;creative talents&amp;quot; to use, with the inventions of [[Bionic the Hedgehog]] and Sonichu, the latter of which was created for a class project simply because he couldn't use [[Chris and copyright|copyrighted characters]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]], [https://web.archive.org/web/20161008083333/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Issue_7/Page_22]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (The irony that Chris's own solution to that problem was to merge two copyrighted characters into a new character is somehow still lost on him, even to this day.) After inventing his ''magnum opus'' with the character of Sonichu, Chris began to incorporate his [[OCs|original character]] into everything that he could, although his passion for his character wouldn't truly surface until college.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris claims to have been on the [[honor roll]], and during this time acquired the true source of his powers, his [[Amnyfest Ring]]. Because the art award he wanted was given to someone else, Chris became despondent and stormed out crying during his [[Manchester High School#Graduation|high school graduation]]. He honestly thought he deserved the award more than anyone else because he worked on it &amp;quot;so hard&amp;quot; despite his autism, ignoring the likelihood that the artistic achievements of his peers were simply better. Another reason for his sorrow was his fear that he might soon have to grow up and start acting like an adult, a phase of his life that his parents had not properly prepared him for.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:0567-GraduationNote2.jpg|DVD, graduation note 2]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Evidently, this fear was unfounded.&lt;br /&gt;
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Since leaving high school and the happiest years of his life, Chris has been unwilling and unable to progress in any other aspect of his life, and has unfortunately even regressed in several key areas as he has gotten older. He remains trapped in a childish, Year [[2000]] [[Time Void|time-stasis]], as he believes that whatever he was doing at the time was what helped him attract female companions. That his high school gal-pals have moved on and married real adult men with careers is of little consequence to him. [[Chris and nostalgia|Chris still pines for &amp;quot;better days&amp;quot;]] in spite of his current belief system hypothetically leaving him in a better place than he ever was in high school. As you might imagine, this is precisely because things didn't get much better for Chris after finishing school.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Adult Chronicles===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|You should stay in school, learn as you much. And try before you praise and despise. Never smoke! Never drink! Never worry about how others think of you when you do things... Don't be afraid to approach those of your opposite gender. And MOST IMPORTANTLY! PLEASE... STAY STRAIGHT. I leave you with those words, as I have shared with you on this, my twenty-fifth birthday, February 24th, 2007. I am &amp;quot;Christopher&amp;quot; Christian Weston Chandler. Live long, and shine on, in your very own unique way. War is never the answer; peace is. Never fight. Compliments will get you fuzzy-wuzzies. War gets you prickly-wicklies... Thank you very much, and have a wonderful day.|Excerpts from [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE]], recorded shortly before his discovery by the internet.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0781-CWCspdbed.JPG|thumb|One of Chris's promotional images for his [[Love Quest]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's entry into [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] probably eased his inability to cope with life after high school. He took courses in [[CADD|Computer Aided Drafting and Design]] and began spending more time on ''Sonichu'', launching a [[Sonichu's News Dash|newsletter]] and circulating it on the PVCC campus. Over time, he began losing touch with his gal-pals from high school, and he presumably found the junior college crowd less willing to humor him and his personal idiosyncrasies. By his own admission, his social life at PVCC was lacking when compared to his high school years.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Story of My Current Days#Story of My Current Days]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares]], page 10.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Chris says he decided he needed a [[sweetheart]] in February [[2003]]. Possibly driven by his discovery that his old friend [[Sarah Hammer]] had begun dating [[Wes Iseli]], Chris started his [[Love Quest]] in earnest that summer. However, he quickly found that every girl he talked to had a boyfriend (or so they claimed). Chris soon became neurotic about the &amp;quot;[[Infinitely-High Boyfriend-Factor]]&amp;quot; and began concocting and employing various bizarre methods to attract women without actually having to approach or speak to them.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's most celebrated technique involved sitting in one place (or pacing back and forth) for hours, holding a sign that read &amp;quot;I am a (variable age)-Year Old, Single Male, seeking an 18-(Chris's age then)-Year Old, Single Female Companion.&amp;quot; Amazingly, this strategy accomplished nothing beyond getting him into trouble with various [[jerkops|authority]] [[manajerks|figures]] who believed that he was loitering and/or soliciting sex, which was legally true. Chris was particularly affected by a series of confrontations with the [[PVCC]] dean [[Mary Lee Walsh]] over his attraction techniques, resulting in an ongoing, completely one-sided blood feud involving [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|magic curses]] and [[Mary Lee Walsh#Mary Lee Walsh in Sonichu|slander]]. After a series of confrontations featuring increasingly bizarre and threatening behavior on Chris's part, Walsh expelled him for one year in [[2004]]. He eventually returned, however, obtaining an associate's degree in May [[2006]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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After college and completing his education, Chris promptly dropped out of society, devoting his life to finding a boyfriend-free girl, drawing ''Sonichu'', [[mass debating]], and using his [[monthly tugboat|welfare money]] to buy video games and [[sex toys]]. He would not make any serious attempts to seek out a career from graduation onward, in spite of attaining a degree that could probably net him a decent-paying (and relatively undemanding) career that would likely grant him more opportunities than sitting at home playing video games ever could.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2005]], Chris met [[Megan Schroeder]] at a [[The GAMe PLACe|local game and card shop]]. A social outcast like himself, Megan proved unusual in that she was willing to talk to Chris for more than 5 minutes. The two quickly became close friends, although Megan claimed to have recently endured a bad break-up and refused to entertain Chris's obvious romantic interest. Chris, seemingly basing his stance on studying women in porn and [[anime]], believed that the key to turning Megan's platonic feelings romantic was to make inappropriate advances toward her until she had to tell him to stop touching her (a habit that got so bad that [[Megan emails, 2005-2006#Megan sends Chris some more mixed signals|Megan later equated it to sexual harassment]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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In the summer of [[2007]], Chris put it all on the line by entering the [[PaRappa the Rapper Contest|''PaRappa the Rapper'' Contest]] so that he could win prizes and a trip for two to Seattle, which formed the centerpiece of his plan to finally score with Megan. The contest ended in disaster for Chris, as he lost to the dreaded [[Adam Stackhouse]] and subsequently learned that Megan wouldn't have gone with him on the trip even if he had won.&lt;br /&gt;
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It was during the Love Quest that Chris was inspired to launch ''Sonichu'', a comic book series featuring his Electric Hedgehog Pokémon. Ostensibly, the comic was intended to focus on the life and times of Chris's unbelievably original character, but by halfway through the first issue, the focus of the story had become Chris and his myriad of romantic misadventures. Little would Chris know, however, that his life was about to permanently change as a result writing and drawing of his magnum opus.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|You've wasted your life. You've wasted your life and you think you're good enough to date anyone, including me? I mean, you're frickin' weak-willed, you're not even good enough for society. You- I don't think you're ever gonna get anything, you can't fight for what you want... I'm gonna be happy and I'm gonna live my life and you know what, you're gonna be doing the same thing in five years. If you're not dead.|[[Kacey]], accurately predicting how stagnant Chris's life would be after [[The End For Real (Kacey call)|breaking up with him]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ChrisMomsPanties.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in [[2008]]. He was duped into wearing his mom's underwear by [[Blanca Weiss]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's rare talent (and by talent we mean pathology) was discovered when someone posted an anonymous picture of Sonichu on [[4-cent garbage|4chan]]. It only took a quick Google search of Chris's name to discover the picture's author. He was also discovered on 26 October 2007 by the website SomethingAwful, when a user derailed an unrelated conversation and wrote their personal account of Chris. A thread on Chris and Sonichu was created the next day.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://web.archive.org/web/20071107074539/http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2667671&amp;amp;userid=0&amp;amp;perpage=40&amp;amp;pagenumber=1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris's miserable existence spilled over onto [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] in November 2007. His life hasn't been the same since then, and shockingly enough, Chris himself shoulders some of the blame for why that is.&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon learning of the &amp;quot;Chris-Chan&amp;quot; article on ED, Chris released a single [[Chris Chan's Public Announcement|YouTube video]] attempting to diplomatically convince the site to remove the page. Failing in this, he then spent the next several months [[List of Chris's edits to Encyclopedia Dramatica|vandalizing]] the article in the vain hope of overwhelming his enemies. This catastrophically backfired as Chris, in an attempt to prove himself as lurid as the [[trolls]], revealed a great deal of embarrassing information, most notably [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|a portrait of himself finger-banging Megan]] that ruined his most important relationship at the time, giving the trolls justification to continue their war against Chris in the process. By the spring of [[2008]], Chris would be banned from both [[The Game Place|his favorite hangout]] (temporarily, but he was banned permanently in August 2008) and [[Grace Baptist Church|his parents' church]] for reasons at least partially related to information brought to light by the ED article.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Personalprofile.jpg|thumb|left|''[[OkCupid|Hello]], [[The Hook Cafe|ladies]][[Carlos Chantor|!]]'' Chris in [[2010]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Ecp00066.jpg|thumb|Chris in [[2009]], making [[April 16 Fetish Vids|fetish videos]] for [[Ivy]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In August 2008, Chris [[CWC's Second Message|declared]] [[Attention All Sonichu Fans (NOT HATERS)|war]] upon Encyclopedia Dramatica in a series of videos, threatening to withhold publication of the upcoming [[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] unless his vast [[True and Loyal Fanbase]] rallied to force ED to remove the &amp;quot;Chris-Chan&amp;quot; article. When ED suffered outages unrelated to this crusade, Chris [[Kudos to the Encyclopedia DramaDestruction|took credit and declared victory]], ironically guaranteeing that he would be under constant fire from trolls for years to come. This began an endless cycle in which Chris would produce [[videos]], comics, and harebrained schemes to attack the trolls, which would, in turn, encourage more and more trolls to provoke him for his hilarious responses [[Honest Content|where he would reveal more information about himself]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The cycle was briefly disrupted in the fall of 2008 when Chris sent his various [[medallions]] to his [[Blanca Weiss|fake Internet girlfriend]], who immediately destroyed them and broke up with him. This emotional heartbreak and the release of ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]'' reduced Chris's output of videos and other sources of lulz. At the same time, Encyclopedia Dramatica began cracking down on trolls using Chris's ED page as a forum for discussing him, and in general, opinion was divided as to whether it was funny or [[A-Logging|obnoxious and tiring]] to continue harassing him. The resulting schism led to the creation of numerous websites (such as [[CWCki|this one]] singularly devoted to documenting his life), which has only expanded the coverage of Chris's hijinks.&lt;br /&gt;
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By late 2008, trolls controlled many aspects of Chris's life by posing as dedicated [[fans]], sweethearts, cartoonish enemies, and prospective business partners. Chris's ego and [[naïve]]te readily embraced this brave new world in which every woman wanted to fuck him, every man was either trying to help him sell ''Sonichu'' products or steal the franchise for their own nefarious goals, and that any and all trolls were a vocal minority on his way to fame and fortune. Trolls would begin denoting major events in Chris's life as &amp;quot;[[saga]]s&amp;quot; such as the [[Miyamoto]] Saga, the [[Julie]] Saga, the [[Ivy]] Saga, the Liquid Saga, and the ''[[Asperchu]]'' Saga. All the while, the editors and administrators working at Encyclopedia Dramatica and the CWCki maintained a constant record of these events, ensuring that Chris could not get away with his highly selective and revisionary treatment of his history.&lt;br /&gt;
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Following his disastrous failure to woo [[The Wallflower|a real girl]] in March [[2010]], Chris began to realize what anyone else would have figured out a long time ago: that his internet presence and the toxic cycle of exposing something about himself, getting exploited or otherwise made fun of by trolls, and reacting poorly to said trolling was having a detrimental effect upon his mental health and social life, with every new video that he created exasperating the problem. This realization appears to have led him to reduce his online presence and to stop donning Sonichu medallions and [[clown shirt]]s. For a time, it looked like Chris was learning from his experiences and was making an effort to improve his own lot in life.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[November 2010]], around the same time another romantic saga involving [[Jackie|another sweetheart]] ended in failure, Chris announced he will no longer socialize online or publish videos of himself. Subsequently, all videos save for the last one were removed from his YouTube channel. It initially appeared that Chris was making a positive lifestyle change, but alas, it was quickly discovered that his Internet activity had not completely ceased since he announced retirement from social media. Instead of investing his time into more productive activities or improving on his social skills, Chris spent much more time playing video games and otherwise doing what he had been doing when he did engage with trolls. In a predictable fashion, he ultimately forgot anything that he might have learned from his experiences of [[Kick the Autistic|being one of the internet's biggest punching bags]], and he subsequently returned to making new videos starting on [[August 2011]]... Albeit with a pretty big change in how he presented himself online.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I Seriously Have Been [[Chris and English|PUBLICALY]] INVISIBLE for YEARS! The DAMN Trolling-Stupids have manipulated me; smeared my once good name through the worst mud, muck, and bodily fluids; mentally and emotionally raped me continuously; made the worst imaginable reputation of me on the Internet, AND relayed THAT into OFFLINE LIFE in gossip, rumors, and presidentially grand Fucked-Up Campaigns!!!|[[June 2012 Facebook posts#Damn Michael Snyder|Chris vents on Facebook]] after years of trolling take their toll.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:TG20.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in [[2011]] in one of the first [[Tomgirl Pictures]]. This photo was also taken near the time of his father's death.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Christran2.jpg|thumb|Chris in [[2012]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Perhaps the most dramatic change in Chris's life was his open and enthusiastic embrace of crossdressing and femininity in general. In [[2011]], Chris was revealed to have become a full-blown crossdresser (or &amp;quot;[[tomgirl]]&amp;quot;, as he calls it) and fully embraced his new identity both at home and in public. Chris seemed to have reconciled this behavior with his extreme homophobia, transphobia, and purported heterosexuality without any difficulty. Though treated as yet another saga at first, this behavior seems to be deeply entrenched and became more extreme in late 2014 and the years that followed. As mentioned previously, Chris would slowly but surely walk back his anti-LGBT stances.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Chris march2013.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in [[2013]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[September 2011]], Chris's father died of heart failure. Chris continues to live with his widowed mother, who along with the [[tugboat]] is his only source of income. Since his mother is in her 80s, it can be reasonably assumed that she has little time left on this earth, especially when her poor health and declining mentality are considered.&lt;br /&gt;
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After Bob's death, Chris generally ceased interacting with trolls, seemingly no longer able to effortlessly bounce back from despair like he used to. Instead, Chris lapsed into a deep depression, no doubt exacerbated by the later loss of his home to fire, and subsequent financial difficulties. In the aftermath of the family tragedy, many trolls began to question whether Chris deserved or indeed, could cope with any further trolling, given that he was no longer the [[Chris and anger|bellicose]], [[Chris and fashion|striped-shirted]] egocentric man-child that the world had come to know and love. For many, it became apparent that Chris's glory days of screaming into a camera like a madman and performing like a circus animal for trolls offering [[china]] were over, and several moved on. The Golden Age of Chris-Chan was over.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Chris 15 Aug 2014 changed profile pic.jpg|thumb|Chris in [[2014]], his long, lank, thin [[hair]] receding in earnest.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:OmegaconB.jpg|thumb|left|Chris in [[2015]], cosplaying as [[Vinyl Scratch]], AKA  [[My Little Pony|DJ-PON3]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Nonetheless, the surviving Chandlers still managed to be drama magnets in their own neighborhood. In [[October 2011]], Chris and Barb were [[28 October 2011|arrested]] at [[The GAMe PLACe]] and charged on several counts including trespassing, assault, and failure to stop at an accident causing over $1,000 in damage after an altercation with [[Michael Snyder]]. (Chris had presumed that the store's new management meant that Snyder may no longer work there, thus giving Chris a chance to potentially revisit his old haunt. When this proved to not be the case, the both Chandlers hit Snyder with a car.) The trespassing and assault charges against Chris were dropped, but both still face felony trials for the failure to stop, and Barb for assaulting a police officer. Much of the money that Bob left behind was used to pay for legal expenses.&lt;br /&gt;
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While awaiting trial, Chris was worried that he may die a virgin if he were to go to prison, and so looked for ways to have at least one sexual encounter before a worst-case scenario could come to pass. [[April 2012]], Chris declared that he finally [[Mia Hamm|lost his virginity]]. This was later confirmed to be true... [[Other documents#Chris's wingman|at the hands of a prostitute]]. Chris reneged on the &amp;quot;true love&amp;quot; part of his [[Love Quest]] and skipped straight to the point, which seemed to satisfy him in the short run but otherwise wasn't a life-changing experience for him. 2012 was otherwise uneventful, probably because Chris was in trouble with [[Chris and the law|the law]] and spent less time online than usual.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[2013]] saw Chris's online presence more or less confined to ranting on [[Facebook]] and [[Twitter]], as well as making himself a pariah to people in real life through his actions. He began blaming people to their face for his own shortcomings which resulted in him leaving his church, getting chewed out by a voice actress from [[My Little Pony|one of his favorite shows]], upsetting the few friends he had left with his homophobia and getting thrown out of a [[Walmart]] for committing blatant vandalism. He has also complained about the &amp;quot;stress&amp;quot; taking its toll on his health ([[Chris and health|this, at least, is evident]]) and pined incessantly about being &amp;quot;lonely&amp;quot;. Even the &amp;quot;gal-pals&amp;quot; Chris so fondly talked about in his high school days would end up betraying him – he found out around Halloween 2013 that they had only tolerated him out of pity and, having discovered them, were just as revolted by his antics as much as the next sane person. Of course, the miseries Chris was lamenting at this time were almost entirely products of his own behavior coming back to haunt him, something he clearly did not realize.&lt;br /&gt;
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The year 2013 also saw the rise of quite a few new white knights as well (including actual friends he met in real life) all of whom tried to offer constructive advice to Chris, although their advice was unwelcome information and thus totally ignored, as tradition dictates. This year of Chris's life seemed to have been most characterized by his flagrant disrespect of people, things and ideas around him, resulting in his exile and loneliness which he idiotically (but predictably) did not connect with his appalling behavior. &lt;br /&gt;
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At first, it seemed that [[2014]] would just be business as usual. That is, until [[January 2014|January]] 10th when an extension cord leading from the bathroom to a coffee maker in the hallway – which was placed in such a location due to the nature of Barb's compulsive hoarding habits, and had become frayed due to the constant closing of the door – sparked and [[2014 house fire|set the house on fire]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[BraveryJerk Interviews]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; While no human was seriously harmed, one of the [[Chandler cats]] died in the fire. The resulting damages forced Chris and his mother to temporarily [[Rental House|move out and trash a different house]]. Some of the Chandler possessions were destroyed in the fire, including most of Bob's huge record collection.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris and his mother ran into [[Chris and money|acute]] [[Debt|financial]] [[Financhu Crisis|difficulties]] as a result of the house fire on top of their existing income issues, and Chris had spent most of the year alternating between begging for money and taking commissions to make more of his artwork on Facebook, and selling autographed photos of himself on eBay ([[Trolls|with it being pretty clear who most of his patrons were]]). Despite the severity of the Chandler family's financial issues, Chris chose to blow literally thousands of dollars on [[Lego|children's toys]] instead of working to resolve his debts. Naturally, his &amp;quot;art&amp;quot; and photographs are only really of any value to [[True and Loyal Fanbase|fans]], who purchased these items as a means to keep a roof over Chris's head.&lt;br /&gt;
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In July, Chris was catfished once more by a new sweetheart named [[Catherine]] after meeting her through [[OKCupid]]. She met up with him in Ruckersville and surreptitiously recorded his conversations. The relationship lasted through the end of the year, and through this process, it was learned that Chris [[Un-clit|pierced his taint]], with other media tied to Chris's life leaking as Catherine and cooperating trolls uncovered more details about his then-current life and mindset.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Transgender|Chris began identifying as a lesbian]] in [[August 2014]], and denied that there is no such thing as a male lesbian (citing Yahoo! Answers as proof). While he seemed to soften his stance on gay men (''very'' reluctantly), he also indicated that he hated his own duck, in addition to his pre-existing hatred of pickles in general. Chris also took up swanning around attending LGBTQ events around Charlottesville, including attending a Halloween party at a gay bar dressed as a lesbian from the 70s. At such events, he obviously mingled with people infinitely more accepting and kind than himself. Naturally, it was only a matter of time before Chris would make a more serious commitment to his lifestyle change when he officially began to transition.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|The future shock... Me? Actually a woman? It is a lot to process. But as I recall my past, I remember in high school, my habits and nature were recognized as most feminine. And in comparing it to my experiences with the masculine, I find I actually don't like such brutish things. And looking deep in my heart and soul, [[Chris and gender|I actually find I feel more woman than the male I was born as.]] And the more I open myself to that [[Chris and English|plausible]]... I truly feel more at peace with myself. [[Chris and his ego|I love me.]] '''[[The Incredible Lioness|I am woman! Roar!]]'''|[[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|Chris's fictionalized counterpart]] explaining his philosophy before becoming [[transgender]] in [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Happy Birthday, Nathan..mp400001.png|thumb|Chris in [[2016]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In early December 2014, Chris informed those closest to him to start referring him with female pronouns, indicating his desire to go from being a crossdresser to becoming transgender. This era started with a bang when, in December, Chris [[26 December 2014|violated a ban and assaulted an employee in an outing to]] [[GameStop]] on Boxing Day. He assaulted the store's Assistant Manager, who was calling security, with mace; showing that, again, Chris has yet to learn anything from his mistakes, if he even regards them as mistakes to begin with. On top of this, Chris subsequently caused another ruckus at Walmart, just in case you started feeling bad for him after being duped by yet another fake girlfriend. Chris ultimately spent a night in the slammer, and following a lengthy legal process, got off with a $541 fine and a six-month suspended sentence.&lt;br /&gt;
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More generally, 2015 saw Chris slowly shy away from his traditional bigotry towards men and homosexuals (while still keeping up his [[Sonic Boom Protests|ludicrous crusade against Sega over the color scheme of a certain cartoon hedgehog]] and dramatizing his experience with trolls), and finally develop enough self-awareness to try and know himself. He indicated in several Facebook posts that he was still trying to gauge his own sexuality and sexual identity; for some time, he yo-yoed between wanting to remain a crossdresser and wanting to transition into womanhood.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris performed the sequels to some of his greatest hits in 2016:&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Chris's Specimen Sample]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[For Julie's Eyes Only]]&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Lesbian Sex Audition]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Carlos Chantor]]&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Stephanie Bustcakes]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|[[Un-clit]]&lt;br /&gt;
|[[Self-inflicted taint wound]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Dailyprogress online cville pride cwc.jpg|thumb|Chris in 2017, donning his [[unicorn cosplay]] at [[Cville Pride]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition, Barb was sued by two banks, due to failure to pay over $20,000 of debt, kicking off the [[Financhu Crisis]], in which she and Chris both begged for money like jackasses, while their hoards of things that they could sell were clearly visible behind them. The [[Business]] saga was suspended when Chris was [[Chris and business|banned from Etsy for failing to send orders]]. He continued to [[duck]] responsibility for his inability to put down the [[PS4]] controller long enough to slap together his preschool-level arts and crafts, choosing to blame [[Lulu]] for being &amp;quot;[[Homos|the bugger that bit my ass bad]] and killed my creative groove&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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His Oedipal complex veered into disturbing new levels when he freely announced that he [[August 2016 Facebook posts#Incestuous Thoughts|dreams about having sex with his mother]]. He also made multiple death threats against political figures [[Donald Trump]] and Mike Pence.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ChrisandTeenTroonSquad.png|thumb|left|Chris with the Teen Troon Squad in [[2018]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2017]], the Financhu Crisis continued to stress the Chandlers. Chris offered pieces of his late father's stamp collection, the [[Sonic Totem]] and [[The Classic]] for sale in order to afford more toys, a [[$400 gold necklace]] for Barb, and the extremely costly expenses for his [[Stamps#Raffle|raffle prizes]]. He and Barb also continued begging. One of his friends from [[The End Games]] Pokémon Club grew concerned and gave him solid advice on how to apply for work through Virginia's DARS program – and in true Chris fashion, instead of following it, he went on an angry tirade. Later in the year, he was sued for failure to pay a debt to Mariner Finance.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris rediscovered Twitter in March. His frequent tweets to voice actresses lead to the [[DoopieDoOver|Doopie]] saga – in which he was chastised for calling her [[darling]], but doubled down on it and was subsequently blocked by her – and getting blocked by ''My Little Pony'' VA [[Tabitha St. Germain]] due to her getting constantly tagged by Chris and the [[weens]] orbiting him. He created sockpuppet accounts [[NightStar2891]] to plead his case and [[TwiSparLicious]] to ban-evade, which failed.&lt;br /&gt;
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He briefly joined the [[Kiwi Farms]] forum under the name LegendaryChristorian and held a Q&amp;amp;A session.&lt;br /&gt;
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A high point for his social life was attending [[BronyCon]], at which he enjoyed attention from [[fans]]. He also attended LGBT events such as [[UVA Remembers Pulse]] (where he was interviewed on TV), [[Cville Pride]] (where he was photographed by news in crowd shots), and [[Love is Love]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris resumed the [[Business]] saga halfway through the year by going back to work on the [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]] comic he had abandoned in 2015, by placing pages behind [[Patreon]]. He also again offered books for sale, self-published by [[Lulu]], was paid to be interviewed by [[Merryweathery]] and [[CopperCab]], and joined [[Redbubble]]. After eight years, he finally completed #11, and moved onto #12, which he completed after a few months. He began work on [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]] and [[Sonichu 15|''Sonichu'' #15]], but got distracted. His Patreon efforts also began to languish around October, when patrons complained that he hadn't been sending out books.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another sweetheart saga took place in the fall. [[Jessica Quinn]], a long-time white knight, suddenly turned troll by pretending she had fallen in love with him. She broke up with him twice, the first time he cried on camera for her to take him back, and the final time, [[CLog 10042017 - Q&amp;amp;A NO MORE|he raged on video against the trolls he thought were to blame]]. He recovered quickly after drowning his sorrows at an ice cream shop.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Goddess Era==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{main|2017|2018|2019|2020|2021}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I, [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], have tried and kept on and continuing on until that day in the new [[COVID-19|Pandemic-Free]] version of this, the Omega Timeline – 'cause I'm going back in time with this body, after I get back to [[Dimensions#C-197|C-197]] – finally return this body to mama in the new timeline at [[BABSCon]]. I tell you all, as overpowered a soul I am – in my own body that I was used to and accustomed with and everything – I, Sonichu, am unable to do Mama's job as good as only she, our OG Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu, of [[Dimensions#1218|Earths 1218]] and C-197, can do. [[Chris and work|This work]], [[Obesity|her body]], [[Chris and mental healthcare|her brain]], [[Chris and reality|her Goddess-level overpowers and abilities]]; [[PsychicPowers|they're all literally tailored and custom-made only for her]]... [[Messiah complex|All praise, prayers, and power to our Goddess of 1218 and C-197: Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu!]]|Chris, [[Spirit possession|pretending to be Sonichu]], [[Goochland Library Sermon|completely going off of the deep end]] while talking about the [[Dimensional Merge]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC 11 February 2019.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Chris in 2019 with [[Lego|a custom LEGO minifigure]] representing his [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|godsona]], [[CPU Blue Heart]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After [[Heart level|having his heart shattered]] yet again, another troll, the [[Idea Guys|Idea Guy]], began to influence Chris by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]] and convincing him that he was providing information from [[CWCville]]'s dimension, which Chris accepted out of having his fantasy world validated; along the way, another Idea Guy joined with the first. Together, they used their influence over Chris's beliefs to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash Chris into believing several things about himself]], such as the idea that he was [[bisexual]] and half-Sonichu, which ultimately culminated in Chris developing a [[Messiah complex]] derived from [[Dimensions|his own delusions about the nature of reality]] and the lore of ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Praetor5.jpg|thumb|Chris in 2020, moments before [[Goochland Library Sermon|giving a sermon]] of the allegedly imminent [[Dimensional Merge]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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When it was learned that the Idea Guys were extorting Chris, who was already facing financial difficulties, [[The Captain]] and [[Marvin]] intervened, forcing the Idea Guys out from Chris's life over the course of the subsequent months, however Chris retained much of the Idea Guys' brainwashing. The Captain, Marvin, and [[Null]] a group termed by onlookers as the [[Guard Dogs]], attempted to protect Chris from further bad actors by screening his messages, however, the [[Teen Troon Squad]] managed to evade them by meeting with Chris in person. The Guard Dogs alleged them to have role-played as Chris's imaginary friend [[Magi-Chan]] and Chris's retreated more into his fantasy world while under their enabling influence, although they stopped contacting Chris when they saw what happened to the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris repeatedly denounced the Idea Guys for financially exploiting him, but the damage was done to his psyche: Chris bought into the fantasy that he was a goddess as a new coping mechanism, and his already-shaky grasp on reality hit rock bottom. Chris's new beliefs led him to seek a hippie makeover befitting of his supposed [[PsychicPowers|psychic prowess]], and he retreated further into his fantasies, generally refusing to engage with people who wouldn't entertain them. Chris eventually turned on Null, thanks to the influence of other trolls – chief among them, [[Jacob Sockness]], who sought to sexually exploit Chris. The Guard Dogs realized that there was nothing that they could do for a Chris who refused to listen, and disbanded, but a new group, known as the [[Watchmen]] (who [[Enablers|enabled some of Chris's fantasies]] out of pragmatism), sought to keep Chris from further embarrassing or endangering himself, successfully getting him away from Sockness before he could do any harm to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Throughout all of this, Chris's belief in the Dimensional Merge has not wavered. When it didn't arrive on the prophesized date of {{w|Jonestown|November 18, 2018}}, Chris did what all doomsday cultists and religious fundamentalists did whenever the apocalypse didn't happen: push it back again and again. Not helping matters was the advent of [[COVID-19]], which Chris saw as a sign of the Dimensional Merge's progress alongside all the other insane crap that happened in the year 2020. For Chris, things really took a turn for the worse when [[BABSCon]] got canceled, and he began an elaborate coping scheme to [[Spirit possession|live-action roleplay as Sonichu]] until he could attend ''[[My Little Pony]]'' conventions again, which will not happen until 2022 at the earliest. Chris spent nearly eleven months pretending to be his [[OCs|original character]], with very few interruptions, before eventually reverting to being himself again on 25 February 2021, [[KwaiiSandbag calls|thanks to the intervention of an enabler]], to personally oppose news about the ''[[My Little Pony]]'' G5 reboot.&lt;br /&gt;
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During this time, Chris's appearance visibly aged significantly, with his hair turning grey. He's also seemingly lost a bit of weight, not due to improving his diet and leading a less sedentary lifestyle, but due to a decline in muscular mass. This is likely a result of the effects of the hormones that he has applied to treat his gender dysphoria, alongside his declining physical health due to his various poor life decisions. In addition to his existing health problems, he's also [[Chris and drugs|taken up drinking to excess and even smoking weed on occasion]], which both do his so-called &amp;quot;overpowered&amp;quot; goddess body absolutely no favors. Compared to [[Megan Schroeder]], who is four years younger than he is and currently looks pretty close to how she did in photographs with Chris about thirteen years ago, Chris now looks like he could now pass for her aunt or uncle. Chris also continued to be influenced by enablers such as [[Larry Vaughn]], [[KwaiiSandbag]], and [[Praetor]], the last of which is a group that seeks to exploit his infamy for sales revenue. The [[Watchmen]], an enabler/white knight group, splintered following internal conflict among its members.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Downfall Era==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|2021|2022|2023|Affair with Mother|Jail Saga}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So there you go, chat: the [[Dimensional Merge]] is happening right fucking now! Chris, our boy Chris, bravo! Bravo, brave young man! I guess you could say, uh, that [[Chris and sex#Incest|he really, really came into his own]]. And in case it's not already fucking obvious, [[Jail Saga|Chris is going to jail]]. So we'll see how that works out. Best of luck Chris! [[It's UGH!|Don't drop the soap]], buddy. The world you lived in was just a fantasyland, but [[Chris and reality|reality]]... Reality is [[Affair with Mother|a motherfucker]].|A deepfake of Mister Metokur, made prior to Chris spending two years behind bars and dealing with the legal system.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saeC2T4Be8k&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Arrestchu.jpeg|thumb|right|400px|[[Incest Arrest|Chris's arrest at a motel]], filmed by fellow lolcow [[Ethan Ralph|Ethan &amp;quot;The Gunt&amp;quot; Ralph]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:2021_Chris_Chan_mugshot_2.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Chris in 2021 after being arrested, [[Naïve|naïvely]] anticipating a short stay in the slammer. {{w|Psycho (1960 film)|&amp;quot;Why, she wouldn't even harm a fly!&amp;quot;}}]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After nearly a decade of a slow downward spiral in nearly all aspects of Chris's life following Bob's death, his future did not look particularly bright. By 2021, Chris had largely reduced his online activities to posting long [[Twitter]] threads of faux-philosophical ramblings reflecting his New Age Retro Hippie mindset, which bordered on being incomprehensible or [[Enablers|esoteric]]. At the same time, the Chandler family's debt steadily rose, largely due to Barb and her son's poor spending habits. In the extremely likely event that Chris outlives Barb, it was speculated that the situation would get worse for Chris with nobody to ground him in reality, along with the increased possibility that he could become homeless if he were to be evicted. Not to mention that Chris was virtually unemployable in any career after years of having every detail about his past leak out to the internet, and he hadn't made a real effort to get a job since his attempt to win [[Kacey]]'s heart, after his short-lived stints working at [[Wendy's|fast food joints]] or in [[Cutco|multi-level marketing]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cwcjailphotomay3.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Chris in [[2022]], after being returned to [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]]. This is what nine months behind bars does to [[Chris and sex#Incest|a motherfucker]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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However, there was fleetingly a period in which there was a greater degree of hope for Chris. Chris successfully reconciled with [[Null]], who eventually helped organize a trip for Chris so that he could attend [[Everfree Northwest]], a ''[[My Little Pony]]'' convention, on the condition that [[Help send Chris-Chan to Everfree NW|Chris would complete commission work in exchange for his donations]]. Null believed this was a worthy effort to see if he could sustain himself as an adult through self-employment, particularly ahead of Barb's death. Chris actually kept up with these obligations, doing a considerable amount of work compared to previous months of less output, while appearing to get a good degree of satisfaction out of his work, on top of making it a semi-stable career out of it. All seemed relatively normal for Chris as far as the post-Idea Guys status quo went, and some fans anticipated the possibility that Chris, now upset about MLP G5, would do something amusing at the convention as he prepared for the trip, just like old times. Chris also informed Null, [[Don Lashomb]], [[The WCT]], several members of [[The Knights of CWC]], and [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] that he was having a romantic relationship with an older woman, giving all of them various hints to her identity.&lt;br /&gt;
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What happened next turned everything completely on its head. Chris would not, in fact, be going to Everfree Northwest. He would not be going to any future convention, for that matter, as the point of no return was finally passed after years of online infamy.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cwcpaddedcell credit Un Platano.jpg|thumb|right|400px|[[Jail Letter - 16 November 2021|Chris spent time in protected custody during his jail stay.]] (Unlike this depiction, Barb obviously did not visit Chris due to the restraining order.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On the night of 27 July 2021, Chris initiated a video call with Bella. He bragged to her about [[Affair with Mother|sexual acts that he committed with his own mother]] – a felony – over the course of several weeks. Bella partially recorded the call when Chris began speaking of those actions. He also [[Incest Texts|texted her with more details]]. Bella shared the files with her friends, and those circulated and were publicly leaked on 30 July.&lt;br /&gt;
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While trolls joked about Chris potentially committing incest before, few actually believed that he was capable of acting on those impulses and taking advantage of an elderly (and possibly senile) woman. Once these details got out, nothing would ever be the same: he and Barb were separated by the [[Jerkops|authorities]], he had to vacate his only home due to a week-long protective order, he was very quickly banned from the convention that he'd hoped to attend, and his [[Patreon]] account – one of his few real sources of income – was taken down. Null quickly washed his hands of Chris for good, not only after learning that the audio leak was legitimate, but also when he realized that Chris effectively stole approximately $750 from Barb to [[Toys|fund his stay at a hotel]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Chris_mugshot_27_March_2023.png|thumb|left|150px|Chris in [[2023]], at the end of his stay in jail. Note [[Obesity|the weight loss]] compared to his first mugshot and Chris's improved mood compared to his second.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris was [[Jail Saga#Arrest|arrested]] on 1 [[August 2021]], an event which was live-streamed by [[Post-Merge Era|multiple orbiters]]. The incest revelation and the ensuing drama resulted in several people associated with Chris cutting ties with him – such as [[Don Lashomb]], [[The WCT]], and [[Fiona]]. Other people continue to interact with Chris such as [[Kenneth Engelhardt]], [[Caden Peck]], [[Helena Fiorenza]], and [[Eels and the Eggman]]. Chris's actions during this time trended on social media, leading less internet-savvy netizens to either discover Chris for the first time or to rediscover him after years of fading into obscurity. The massive social media reaction to the news led to Chris's actions being covered by various news outlets – most notably, a dedicated segment on Fox News's ''Tucker Carlson Tonight'', the most popular show on the network at the time, which in turn exposed him to millions of retired, right-wing baby boomers.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris spent the next several months in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]] after being arrested by the Henrico County sheriff's department, awaiting a court hearing set for 28 [[July 2022]], following three continuances. While waiting in jail, Chris's [[Messiah complex|delusions of godhood]] have spiraled out of control as he now believes himself to be {{w|Jesus|Jesus of Nazareth}} reincarnated and the [[Dimensional Merge]] to be proceeding entirely as planned. During this time, Chris has kept in touch with the outside world via a multitude of [[Jail Communications]] discussing a variety of subjects, from his jail conditions to [[Chris and religion|his renewed interest in the Bible]] and [[Weening|ween]] attempts to convert him to Islam through reading the Qur'an. These letters and phone calls have also revealed that Chris has been kept in protective custody for his own safety.&lt;br /&gt;
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Early into [[March 2022]], it was learned that Chris was transferred out of jail into the [[Western State Hospital]] mental institution. During this time, Chris was isolated from the outside world; what he was up to while there will most likely remain unknown. He returned to [[CVRJ]] on [[May 2022|3 May 2022]], with a new mugshot taken upon his arrival, showing that Chris looks much more gaunt than before and has lost a substantial amount of weight. Unfortunately, subsequent mail correspondence indicates that his time away from jail has not caused him to face reality, sticking to his fantasies.&lt;br /&gt;
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On 28 [[July 2022]], only a day before the first anniversary of the leaking of the infamous incest call, Chris finally had his court hearing after three delays. In the process, it was determined that the case would be going before a grand jury for at least one felony incest charge. However, Chris's lawyer filed a motion for autism disorder deferred deposition. Following months of [[CWCki|excessive]] [[Kiwi Farms|online]] [[Orbiter Wave|interest]] in the case, Chris's lawyer eventually managed to convince the court to seal the case on 11 [[August 2022]], with &amp;quot;waive right to indictment&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;transportation order&amp;quot; added to his case file. The exact meaning of these legal maneuvers remains unknown.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Post-Incarceration Era==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|2023|Post-jail sightings (2023)|Saga#Second Coming (8 August 2023 - Present)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|BEWARE ALL TOXIC [[Weening|HATERS]], [[Chris and religion#Sin|SINNERS]], AND [[Trolls#The Miscreants|DARKEST DEMONICS]], FOR I AM [[Messiah complex#Jesus Reborn|Jesus]] [[Transgender|Christine]] Weston Chandler [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]], the [[CPU Blue Heart|Goddess Blue Heart]], and [[Chris and his ego|your lord and god]]. AND I BRING, PERSONALLY, [[Saga#Second Coming (8 August 2023 - Present)|THE SECOND COMING]].|From [[:File:Holy jesus christ chan sonichu prime by nightstarrosechu2891 dg6od4d-414w-2x.jpg|&amp;quot;Holy Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime&amp;quot;]], [[DeviantART#Post-jail|posted on DeviantART]] in August 2023.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:F5IE7YqWwAALxJz.jpg|thumb|Free as fuck.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Jail Saga]] seemed to fit very nicely as the culmination to Chris's story before he faded into obscurity, [[Direct Message to Hasbro: MLPG5 Is Cancelled.|nicely coinciding with Chris's foreshadowing that his entire timeline would be thrown in chaos]], and [[Abusive babysitter|bookending his story with a period where he had to sit alone in a dark room all day]] – this time behind a cell instead of [[Chris's room|a room full of toys]]. Surely after [[Saga|14 years of lolcow adventures]], Chris spending much of the rest of his life incarcerated was a fitting end. In the event that he got released, he would find his life is absolutely ruined, with him destined to remain off the internet forever, perhaps even homeless, until [[Chris and Death#Chris himself (1982–)|the day he dies]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Though every good story needs a sequel, right?&lt;br /&gt;
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After spending around two years in jail, the internet was shocked when it was announced that Chris was suddenly released on 27 [[March 2023]]. VineLink initially reported that he was bonded out&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:VineLink Out of Custody 27 March 2023.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; before updating their files to say he was released by court order.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:VineLink Out of Custody 27 March 2023 - 1 49 pm update.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was able to avoid another round of [[Kick the Autistic]] thanks to not making a &amp;quot;guilty&amp;quot; plea at the start of his trial and his lawyer [[David Heilberg]] successfully filing for a motion for an [[autism]] disorder deferred disposition, leading Chris to live up to his Teflon reputation by somehow avoiding even a sex offender charge.&lt;br /&gt;
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Silence ensued for the entire month of [[April 2023]]. In the months after [[May 2023]], Chris started [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|getting spotted around Chesterfield County, Virginia]] doing random activities, such as shopping and playing card games.  In a few sightings, Chris was seen with a new [[Medallions#Mark V|Sonichu Medallion]], waning away some hope that Chris had actually improved. Any remaining hope disappeared when Chris [[Post-jail sightings (2023)#Earthbound Trading Company|signed a receipt]] as &amp;quot;[[Messiah complex#Jesus Reborn|J. Christ Chan Sonichu]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Through out the entire month of [[August 2023]], after Chris's incest case being set to &amp;quot;Resolved Order Pending&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Court Record - Greene Circuit Court - Incest - (Chris, CR22000141-00) - 8 August 2023.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris started [[Saga#Incognito_Saga_(10_August_2023_-_3_September_2023)|rapidly becoming active in random places of the internet]], progressively setting new mile stones, and receiving a surprisingly warm [[Enablers|Enabler]]/[[White-Knighting|White-Knight]]-filled [[Twitter#Post-jail activity|welcome back]].&lt;br /&gt;
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On the 23rd of August, Chris made his [[DeviantART#Post-jail|first post-jail social media posts]] on DeviantART as he [[Mass debating|mass]]-posted unseen art made during his period of inactivity, new work on [[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu comics]], and custom [[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder]] cards.&lt;br /&gt;
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Just two days later, Chris's incest case was entirely dismissed, officially making Chris a free man.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Court Record - Greene Circuit Court - Incest - (Chris, CR22000141-00) - 25 August 2023.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; While some people were upset that Chris had [[28 October 2011|once]] [[26 December 2014|again]] got off with a mere slap on the wrist while also feeling cheated by the justice system, many would watch with anticipation what Chris would do next. He was later spotted at [[14 Branchland Court]], with it being unclear if Barb was present at the time of his visit. The house was [[Fan visits#Aggravating Art (2023)|seen empty]] a few days later.&lt;br /&gt;
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By 16 October 2023, Chris would make his full return to the internet by uploading a bizarre video of himself singing two parodies of songs from the Pokémon 2.B.A. Master album in front of a green screen with clips of Chris dancing overlaid on top of the video throughout. It is likely that Praetor was behind the editing of the video. The next day, Chris would upload another video “Setting the record straight” where he gives his side of the story in which he denies ever having sex with Barb, faked the story to troll Isabella Loretta Janke, incorrectly claims the court found him innocent (the incest charge was dismissed following Chris's lawyer's request for an autism deferred disposition; he was not acquitted by a jury), rambles on about his newfound delusions of being the reincarnation of Jesus Christ, and reveals the identity of the mysterious woman he'd been seen with in recent months, introducing her as [[Flutter]]. &lt;br /&gt;
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In the following weeks, Chris would livestream himself playing games, all the while weens would send text-to-speech donations to him with old outdated memes in order to get a rise out of him. Ironically, this has garnered Chris to earn upwards of $600 a stream from the pockets of the weens that mess with him. Surprisingly, Chris has been keeping information about himself rather vague whenever he’d answer questions in his Q&amp;amp;A livestreams.&lt;br /&gt;
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As of right now, Chris remains at large, but is mostly keeping to himself as outsiders continue peering into his strange life.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Featured Fan Videos==&lt;br /&gt;
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| name           = Chris Chan ~ Ruler of Everything&lt;br /&gt;
| ytid           = Wul6LgL8FvI&lt;br /&gt;
| Stardate       = 4 March 2021&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)]] – Chris's depiction of himself within his own comics.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Chris-chan Sonichu]] – Chris's furry alter ego.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[:Category:DVD slideshow images|Hundreds of personal photographs]] assembled for use in Chris's autobiographical [[DVD]].&lt;br /&gt;
* [[User:Christianchandler]] – Chris's own CWCki account&lt;br /&gt;
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{{CWCipedia}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fan Art|chris=Chris fan art|linkname=Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
[http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4813395/ Christian Weston Chandler] at the {{w|Internet Movie Database}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Newbie}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Check this out}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Timeline|nocat=true}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}	&lt;br /&gt;
{{DEFAULTSORT:Chandler, Christian Weston}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Articles with Jail Saga speculation]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Chris]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Family Members]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Real people who have appeared in Sonichu comics]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris has had Sex with]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Homos]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Autistic]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:LGBT]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title     = Idea Guy&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 19 &lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
|birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and it is alleged that they blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (A gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who goes under the moniker of &amp;quot;Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein&amp;quot;) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: not only that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Payday_2&amp;diff=317739</id>
		<title>Payday 2</title>
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		<updated>2023-12-18T02:46:56Z</updated>

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'''''Payday 2''''' is a FPS video game published in 2013. The plot and gameplay revolve around the titular Payday Gang, as they plan robberies and heists on banks, jewelry stores, warehouses and more. '''''Payday: The Heist''''' was the first game in the Payday series, and follows a similar plot. The first Idea Guy. [[Joshua Wise]], was a fan of this series, and as a result, many of the game's plot points were [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwashed]] into [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]].&lt;br /&gt;
Chris briefly played the game at the Idea Guy's request.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Whether Chris played in Online or Offline mode is unknown.&lt;br /&gt;
== List Of Plot Points Brainwashed into Chris ==&lt;br /&gt;
* The Cloaker and Medic Dozer enemies from the game were featured heavily in [[Red Forest]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The Hardcore Henry character [[Akan]] was added to the comic, due to him being featured in Payday 2.&lt;br /&gt;
*When asked by Chris on [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]]'s whereabouts, Idea Guy provided a revised version of the character Bodhi's bio as an answer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The Idea Guys convinced Chris that one of the people running for new mayor of [[CWCVille]] was Bob McKendrick (another Payday character).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Games]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Payday_2&amp;diff=317738</id>
		<title>Payday 2</title>
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		<updated>2023-12-18T02:46:35Z</updated>

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'''''Payday 2''''' is a FPS video game published in 2013. The plot and gameplay revolve around the titular Payday Gang, as they plan robberies and heists on banks, jewelry stores, warehouses and more. '''''Payday: The Heist''''' was the first game in the Payday series, and follows a similar plot. The first Idea Guy. Joshua Wise, was a fan of this series, and as a result, many of the game's plot points were [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwashed]] into [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]].&lt;br /&gt;
Chris briefly played the game at the Idea Guy's request.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Whether Chris played in Online or Offline mode is unknown.&lt;br /&gt;
== List Of Plot Points Brainwashed into Chris ==&lt;br /&gt;
* The Cloaker and Medic Dozer enemies from the game were featured heavily in [[Red Forest]].&lt;br /&gt;
* The Hardcore Henry character [[Akan]] was added to the comic, due to him being featured in Payday 2.&lt;br /&gt;
*When asked by Chris on [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]]'s whereabouts, Idea Guy provided a revised version of the character Bodhi's bio as an answer.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The Idea Guys convinced Chris that one of the people running for new mayor of [[CWCVille]] was Bob McKendrick (another Payday character).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 tweets#CWCville mayoral election]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Video Games]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Akan&amp;diff=317737</id>
		<title>Akan</title>
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		<updated>2023-12-18T02:43:47Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: specified which Idea Guy (Boyd doesn't really strike me as a guy who would enjoy a lot of FPS, so i think it'll be better to specify which Idea guy)&lt;/p&gt;
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{{quote|Akan’s message of worshipping him as leader of all worlds will be broadcasted subliminally, and his reign will spread into Our World from our Sister Dimension there!|Chris on [[My Little Pony Protests|why Hasbro should not reboot]] ''[[My Little Pony]]''.&amp;lt;ref name=schizo&amp;gt;[[August 2018 social media posts#MLP protest part 6]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Akan.png|thumb|Whenever [[Affair with Mother|this motherfucker]] walks into the room, {{w|Carpenter Brut}} music is said to start playing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
'''Akan''' (Russian: Акан) is the main villain of the 2015 action film ''{{w|Hardcore Henry|Hardcore Henry}}'' and a villain introduced into ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' by the [[Idea Guys]].&amp;lt;ref name=qa&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He is a [[Molvania|Russian]] [[Chris and money|billionaire]] and [[Chris and the law|crime lord]] with [[Magi-Chan|powerful psychic abilities]]. Akan is significant for being the first major Sonichu antagonist to not be associated with [[Count Graduon]] or the [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|PVCC]]. As of the end of [[Sonichu 13|''Sonichu'' #13]], Akan is apparently the only villain introduced in the story that is still active, the others either being subdued, destroyed or redeemed. Inexplicably, [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] also believes Akan will conquer the ''[[My Little Pony]]'' universe, and then our own, should the corporation Hasbro reboot the franchise; this serves as a partial justification for [[My Little Pony Protests|his ongoing protests of ''My Little Pony'' Generation 4.5 and the inevitable arrival of Generation 5 that will soon follow]].&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Akan was most likely added to the comic because the first Idea Guy (Joshua Wise) had an obsession with the video game ''[[Payday 2]]'', which featured Akan in a cameo role as part of a cross-promotional event for ''Hardcore Henry''.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Red Forest audio clip==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|But what really won Chris over was this first-time audio I did to make him think the Neptunia characters were in our world, and this was a battle between them and the mystery Russian Billionaire's forces.|The original Idea Guy.&amp;lt;ref name=qa&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Akan is featured in [[Red Forest]], one of the audio clips mixed by the original Idea Guy in order to influence Chris's beliefs. In it, John Yamada (Idea Guy's character) and some of the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' goddesses are attacked by Akan; the audio composed of voice clips taken from various media.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Events of ''[[Sonichu 13|''Sonichu'' #13]]''==&lt;br /&gt;
Akan, alongside Monika from ''Doki Doki Literature Club'' and several evil CPUs from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', launched a full-scale assault on the city of [[CWCville]] in 2018, with Akan being backed up by an army of Russian mercenaries. Throughout his brief time in the comic, Akan is shown to have powers and abilities similar to Chris, making him somewhat of an evil counterpart to him.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The invading forces were able to take over the Subdivision Area of CWCville, with Akan taking over the [[CWCville Shopping Center]] and imposed a puppet mayor through whom he could rule. Chris destroyed the mall with a nuclear explosion to thwart Akan. Shortly later, Chris restored the mall and all the people in in, save for Akan, assuming he was dead.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:CPUBattle.jpg|thumb|left|Fan art depicting [[CPU Blue Heart]] fighting Akan as a dragon.]]&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
However, Akan survived and shortly after, moved in to the C-197 version of Chris' home just to vandalize it. This enraged Chris, who sent the CWCville Defense Force to find and captured him. However, he escaped and vanished from the comic thereafter. Later, [[Magi-Chan]] tells Chris that Akan has been posing as [[Chris and religion|Godjesus]] to people in visions to manipulate and confuse them. This leads Chris to conclude that his previous &amp;quot;visions&amp;quot; from of God speaking to him were actually Akan fooling him. This revelation is one of Chris' major motivations for renouncing Christianity and worshiping the &amp;quot;CPU Goddesses&amp;quot; from Neptunia.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Akan's current whereabouts and status are unknown, though it's likely he is still active. With Count Graduon becoming a good guy, it's possible Akan may take his place as the main antagonist of the comic. It's briefly mentioned in ''Sonichu'' #13 that CWCville has problems with gang wars between the Yakuza and Russian Mafia. It's possible Akan is connected to the Russian Mob.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Post-Idea Guys==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris maintained belief in Akan after the ousting of the Idea Guys. In August 2018, reacting to news that Hasbro would reboot its ''[[My Little Pony]]'' franchise, Chris tried to convince the corporation that if they proceeded, Akan would be able to conquer Equestria, a setting in the ''My Little Pony'' franchise, and then use his powers to plant [[Subliminal Frequency Hypnosis|subliminal messages]] to manipulate [[Chris and reality|reality]].&amp;lt;ref name=schizo&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Hasbro did not respond to Chris's pleas.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==Akan as a coping mechanism==&lt;br /&gt;
Though the idea that Akan was imitating God may have originally come from the Idea Guys, Chris is still 100% convinced it really happened and uses that as the reason none of his &amp;quot;visions&amp;quot; from God ever came true. This is quite clearly a way to maintain his delusions of grandeur and supernatural importance despite their contradictions to reality. God appeared to you but told you the wrong thing? It must be a supervillain posing as him! It couldn't possibly be that you were just imagining it all, or that you don't really have magical powers and aren't part of a magical prophecy! The most logical explanation is that an evil Russian crime boss with magic powers is secretly after you!&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
The Akan theory allows Chris to maintain his fantasy of godlike-power and importance without having to question why his predictions never seem to come true. It's also sad to know that a villain from a gimmicky action movie inspired someone to renounce their religion.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
In recent years, however, Chris has stopped referring to Akan altogether, possibly due to the influence of the Idea Guys fading.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
==References==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{GOPonySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Sonichu}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Villains]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Characters]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category: Plot Devices]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Lukas,_Devil_and_Eva&amp;diff=317715</id>
		<title>Lukas, Devil and Eva</title>
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{{Unreliable|type=cred|After being doxed by the [[Guard Dogs]], some members of the squad attempted to shift blame onto Chris and [[Jessica Quinn]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Transgender|FTM}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|No matter how many times I die, somebody somewhere will pick up where I left off.|[[Idea Guys#Joshua Allen Wise|Joshua Wise]], during [[The Bad Beginning]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I know Lukas, Devil and Eva were trolling me as well, and that turned out good as well|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1193435503418363904&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title = Lukas&amp;amp;nbsp;Simpkins&lt;br /&gt;
|image = Lukastts.png&lt;br /&gt;
|name = Lillie Celeste Simpkins&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases = FFEMemberLukas&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;ThatKidd910&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender = Trans Male &lt;br /&gt;
|day = 10&lt;br /&gt;
|month = 9&lt;br /&gt;
|year = 1999&lt;br /&gt;
|birthsrc = &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[September_2019_social_media_posts#Longing_to_revive_the_Teen_Troon_Saga]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|nationality = [[United States|American]] &lt;br /&gt;
|saga = {{saga|tts|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The '''Teen Troon Squad''' were a group of trolls in [[Charlottesville]] who began manipulating Chris towards the end of [[2018]]. As their moniker – derived from the Teen Girl Squad from ''{{w|Homestar Runner}}'' and a deragotory term for transgender people – suggests, they are known to be transgender and [[Pedofork|about half Chris's age]]. Currently, '''Lukas Simpkins''' (legal name '''Lillie Celeste Simpkins''') is the only Squad member known by full name. Other members of the Squad include '''&amp;quot;Eva&amp;quot;'''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://sonichu.com/cwcki/September_2019_social_media_posts#Longing_to_revive_the_Teen_Troon_Saga&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and &lt;br /&gt;
'''&amp;quot;Devil&amp;quot;''' (also known as &amp;quot;wxlfdxg&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Sxvxnd&amp;quot;);&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-558#post-3309948&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; little is known of these members except that the latter helped Lillie get her foot in the door by buying Chris's illicit goods.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[:File:Screenshot-twitter.com 2018-05-01 09-33-14.png|'Devil' details purchasing Chris's porn, 1 May 2018]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Teen Troon Squad originally met Chris when two of their members [[List of Chris's financial enablers|purchased]] 32 pages of his [[Sonichu and Rosechu's Luv Shack|pornographic drawings]] on [[eBay]] for $1,000 in [[April 2018]], and they were mentioned on [[Kiwi Farms]] to have smoked marijuana with Chris (in violation of his [[Therapeutic Docket]]) in [[October 2018]]. After gaining Chris's trust, the Squad infiltrated into Chris's accounts, leaked content and then pointed the finger at [[Idea Guys|Wise and Boyd]]; time and time again, Chris has taken their statements [[autism|at face value]]. &lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Much like the [[Idea Guys]], the Teen Troon Squad's trolling occurred largely behind the scenes, and only a scanty amount of content was ever released until [[December 2018]]. Having also begun trolling Chris at the height of the Idea Guys' power and having used them as a scapegoat to evade detection, accurately estimating the extent of their manipulation is impossible. Regardless of who individually is responsible, collectively they are all [[weens]]. They were probably responsible for introducing the [[Dimensional Merge]] into Chris's mind. In a perplexing tweet on [[C-Mas|Christmas Day]] 2018, Lillie's identity was exposed by somebody role-playing as [[Magi-Chan]], prompting the other Troons to wipe their presence off the Internet completely as the [[Guard Dogs]] as well as the greater [[Kiwi Farms]] began closing in on them. Unlike Wise and Boyd, Chris remains fond of the Squad and is still bewildered that they had left him without warning. He has tried, thus far in vain, to re-establish contact as late as [[September 2019]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[September 2019 social media posts#Longing to revive the Teen Troon Saga|Chris wishes Lillie a happy birthday, 10 September 2019]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Lukasfacebook.png|thumb|200px|Lillie's [[Facebook]] avatar.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://archive.fo/9Xpxc&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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== Trolling ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|Honestly, I wouldn't advise it. He smells like cat piss and told us [[Affair with Mother|he wanted to fuck his mom]]. 0/10, would never do again. He made me into a part [of] ''Sonichu'', it was awful.|Lillie, on why you shouldn't spend hours interacting with Chris in person ([[Chris and sex#Incest|warning of us of what was to come]]).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/12-25-the-teen-troon-squad-reveals-themselves-say-theyre-behind-the-merge.51472/page-17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}} &lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Chris with Teen Troon Squad}}&lt;br /&gt;
On 24 April 2018, Chris posted an [[eBay]] listing of [[2018 Sales Listings#Lot of 32 porn drawings|32 porn drawings]] he had produced over the years, including the infamous [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]]. Though the listing was quickly pulled within a few hours for violating eBay's terms of service, Lillie expressed interest in buying the art on Twitter; apparently she had got the money by taking it from her mother's boyfriend. She wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|@CWCSonichu im willing to pay the 1,000$ for the drawings, please repost them on ebay or esty so i can}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Chris complied, quietly relisting the drawings under the incognito title &amp;quot;Artsfor lukas&amp;quot;. This purchase wound up kicking off the entire Teen Troon Squad saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ChrisandTeenTroonSquad.png|thumb|Lillie, Devil and [[Chris]] posing for a picture]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Since the Squad lives in the same area as Chris, on 27 [[April 2018]] they arranged for Chris to deliver the pornography they had purchased to Lillie's house. This was the first of many visits; the Squad periodically invited Chris over without their parents' knowledge. These visits are evidenced by numerous archived social media posts, as well as a video [[Chris with Teen Troon Squad|leaked of Chris acting delusional, probably while high on marijuana, at Lillie's house]]. What exactly occurred at these meetings is unknown, but all of the information released seems to imply that they primarily consisted of role-playing. For example, in [[Chris with Teen Troon Squad]], he points at the air, states &amp;quot;I love you, Cryzel&amp;quot;, and pretends to make out with her. When asked by a [[Twitter]] user about Chris' behavior in-person, Lillie described him as somewhat &amp;quot;rapey&amp;quot;, stating that she had no personal space whatsoever.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/12-25-the-teen-troon-squad-reveals-themselves-say-theyre-behind-the-merge.51472/page-17&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|He would kiss on us, hug us, rub on us, press his head against ours randomly, get incredibly close... He is really rapey, it's awful. Especially because at the time, we were all [[Pedofork|minors]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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If true, it makes no sense why Lillie would willingly invite Chris over multiple times, especially with how much information on Chris's creepiness is publicly available. It is instead believed that these statements were damage control. Hilariously, Chris also had some of his own complaints about Lillie, angrily posting a tweet revealing that she had attempted to convince him into buying alcohol for them.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;a&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-12-30_9-36-57-png.626168/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|No, Lukas, I will NOT buy you booze!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Screenshot-twitter.com 2018-05-01 09-35-39.png|Lillie stating the item had been delivered, marking the first meeting.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Screenshot.1545857804.png|Evidence of a hang-out occurring on 14 [[July 2018]] with &amp;quot;Devil&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
Ttstext1.jpg|The original texts from Lillie regarding Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
Ttstext2.jpg|Note the writing style.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Upload 2018-10-26 11-15-41 (1).png|thumb|The disastrous effects of a life on drugs.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Sometime during one of their in-person role-playing sessions, Lillie introduced Chris to cannabis. What resulted is captured in a 38-second long, showing Chris high on marijuana while pretending to make out with [[Cryzel]]. Chris later angrily clarified on [[Twitter]] that he was not, in fact, constantly high.&lt;br /&gt;
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| name           = Chris with Teen Troon Squad&lt;br /&gt;
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| subject        = {{Trollsicon|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| style          = {{Crazy|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| saga           = {{Teen Troon Squad|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| shirt          = {{ParappaShirt|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| other          = {{Leaked|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| previous       = [[December_2018_videos#Sylvia_is_playful|Sylvia is playful]]&lt;br /&gt;
| next           = [[December 2018 Paid Video Requests|Merry Gubmas!]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Screenshot-twitter.com-2018.11.18-16-23-55.png|thumb|right|One of the earlier Twitter leaks.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:DecemberLeaks2018.jpg|The [[December 2018]] leaks.|thumb|right]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:ReactiontoNovember2018Hack.png|thumb|200px|Chris blames the original [[Idea Guys]] for the leaks.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Meanwhile, Chris-Chan's [[Twitter]] account was [[Twitter#Leaks|hacked]] several times throughout 2018 by an unknown individual claiming to be associated with the Idea Guys. It seems more likely, however, that they were being posted by Lillie, given that they occurred long after the Idea Guys were [[Guard Dogs|taken out of power]]. The leak also included footage that Lillie herself later leaked in full onto [[/cow/]], making her involvement all the more likely. Regardless of who actually leaked the videos, Chris himself believed it to be the work of Boyd and Wise, subsequently calling them out by name in a tweet afterwards.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1072900174521847808&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The first leak, from 11 [[November 2018]], was a clip from his now infamous second rendition of [[All Star]] video in which he sings while [[mass debating]]. The tweet read: &amp;quot;This is how chris pays tribute to his lovers - The guy in the 'bluegras state'&amp;quot;. This is an obvious allusion to the Idea Guys, as Boyd is said to live in the &amp;quot;Bluegrass&amp;quot; state Kentucky. The full video, however, was not released until 30 [[December 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The second leak, which occurred in [[December 2018|December]], took place over the span of two days. The first was a single tweet on 11 December 2018 at 1:27 P.M., releasing [[Tour of Chris's House III]]. It was posted with a troll-written description asking for $500, before being quickly deleted. [[Kiwi Farms]] quickly noted that based off a calendar seen in the video, it had been filmed in [[March 2018]]; when the [[Idea Guys]] were still in control.&lt;br /&gt;
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The second half occurred on 12 December, this time in the form of a three-part tweet chain. Two of the videos in the thread had already been released: one from [[The Bad Beginning|the Bad Beginning of Chris apologizing to Gwen]], and another of [[April_2018_Paid_Video_Requests#A_few_seconds_of_Barb_dancing|Barbara stiffly dancing for the camera]]. The only unseen video from this chain was a clip of [[Chris slaps himself|Chris slapping himself to tears]], as described by [[Idea Guys#Extortion|Null in July]]. Regardless of who actually leaked it, Chris himself believed this to be the work of Boyd and Wise, subsequently calling them out by name in a tweet afterwards.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Unravelling==&lt;br /&gt;
===Magi-Chan doxing incident===&lt;br /&gt;
On [[Christmas|25 December]] 2018, somebody posing as [[Magi-Chan]] posted a tweet linking to a (since taken down) Pastebin, now referred to as &amp;quot;The 'Teen Troon Squad' Reveals Themselves&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/12-25-the-teen-troon-squad-reveals-themselves-say-theyre-behind-the-merge.51472/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; This Pastebin elaborately doxes 'Lukas', revealing her real name, home address, and a supposed phone number. The author then lists some details regarding the [[Dimensional Merge]], since revoked by Chris, before expanding on what the Teen Troon Squad had been doing: the group had been &amp;quot;spend[ing] a lot of time opening [their] mind[s] by role playing and smoking weed with cool people like [[Tomgirl|Christine]]&amp;quot;. &lt;br /&gt;
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{{Quotebox|Hello everyone! It is I, Magi-Chan Sonichu. I read the password for this account from Chris' mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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As you all know, the merge will be happening soon.&lt;br /&gt;
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I currently have Lukas (my host body) in a trance, so they won't remember typing this out.&lt;br /&gt;
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The final stage of the merge will involve everyone in our universe disconnecting from your&lt;br /&gt;
universe. We will go silent. We must hibernate to tug the universes together.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have really enjoyed my time in your universe. I want to give thanks to my host body in your world, [redacted]. (Legal name: [redacted].) I want everyone to know what a&lt;br /&gt;
gracious host they were. Lukas and Christine and I (and some of our friends) had lots of fun&lt;br /&gt;
hanging out with Christine and smoking weed. We used to do it in their old house, but she just moved to a new house at [redacted]. I'm sad I won't be able to smoke weed there until after the merge. If you want to give Lukas a call to let her know how cool she is, she'd really appreciate it. Her number is [redacted].&lt;br /&gt;
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Her mother Tara raised a brilliant young person. Her mother is also very progressive. I mean, who would have the courage to let their child spend their time smoking weed with someone like Christine, who's nearly twice their age? A really brave mother, that's who.g&lt;br /&gt;
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Lukas is a really cool person. If you want to end up as brilliant as Lukas, you should also&lt;br /&gt;
spend a lot of time opening your mind by role playing and smoking weed with cool people&lt;br /&gt;
like Christine.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyhoo, praise be for my gracious host aside, here's how the merge will go down:&lt;br /&gt;
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* everyone disconnects from Earth 1218 for a small period of time&lt;br /&gt;
* we hibernate&lt;br /&gt;
* and by the end of 2018 in our universe, the universes will be merged&lt;br /&gt;
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Because of time dilation though, it will take a little bit longer in Earth 1218. By your human calendar in that universe, the merge should be complete by the end of 2038. 2018 here, 2038 in 1218.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 20 short years, you should start seeing manifestations of what you people so cynically call &amp;quot;fictional characters&amp;quot;. You might literally shit your panties when you see Bugs Bunny in real life! (But be polite, he looks a little rough. Makeup on television can work wonders.)&lt;br /&gt;
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Goodbye for now!&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:ChrisandTeenTroonSquad.png|200px]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris later dismissed the news as fake.&lt;br /&gt;
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Naturally, there was much speculation as to who had actually written the tweet. The author claimed to be Lillie herself, stating:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|I currently have Lukas (my host body) in a trance, so they won't remember typing this out.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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However, to many, this read as if there had been a third party involved. Ultimately, it was determined that it had to have been done by someone Chris had trusted with his password; significantly narrowing down the suspect pool. A follow-up tweet from Chris later called the author a &amp;quot;[[troll|gremlin]]&amp;quot; trying to divide him, Lillie, and [[The Captain]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/dimensional-merge-tweets-megathread.49414/page-68#post-4128895&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The most important revelation is the mention of The Captain, who Lillie later claimed was responsible for doxing her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:TheCaptainLukas.png|&amp;quot;The Captain is the lovely person that doxxed (sic) me.&amp;quot;]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the last few days of 2018, Lillie responded to her dox by leaking content onto 8chan's [[/cow/]] board, hoping to appease onlooking trolls, who do not [[Weening#If you fail hard enough, you will become a target for trolls yourself|look favourably on this kind of behaviour]]. While normally, those posting to the site would be protected under the guise of anonymity, Lillie stated plainly who she was, even linking to her personal Twitter account. She began by revealing [[Teen Troon Squad chats|Discord logs from Chris]] from 18 December 2018, in which Chris discusses how he damaged his [[high school ring]], followed by &amp;quot;Luka Sonichu&amp;quot;, an original Sonichu character and medallion Chris had created for her on 23 August 2018, and [[Chris lost Crystal|a video of Chris screaming at his toilet]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://archive.is/j7oFu&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Screenshot-8ch.net-2018.12.29-19-21-47.png&lt;br /&gt;
File:LukasMedallion.jpeg|Note the red streak.&lt;br /&gt;
File:LeakTroonSquad2912.png&lt;br /&gt;
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Lillie's situation continued to deteriorate rapidly. On 29 December 2018, while Lillie was busy releasing as much as she could, Chris condemned her over Twitter, alluding to a falling out between them, though blame for Lillie's actions was assigned instead to [[Arfoire]], a [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]] villain whom Chris also believed had been behind [[Jessica Quinn]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/upload_2018-12-30_9-36-57-png.626168/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In a desperate final attempt to appease the troll community, Lillie partially leaked the [[All Star]] masturbation tape on 30 December, in exchange for being left alone and her mother not finding out about her Internet antics.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://archive.is/7NtgZ&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; She concluded that day with another plea for trolls to stop texting her, offering to tell 'all about [Chris's] lovely adventures and set things straight' to anybody who messages her on Twitter.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://archive.is/5M6J9&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:2018.12.31 - cow1.png&lt;br /&gt;
File:2018.12.31 - cow2.png&lt;br /&gt;
File:2018.12.31 - cow3.png&lt;br /&gt;
File:2018.12.31 - cow4.png&lt;br /&gt;
File:2018.12.31 - cow5.png&lt;br /&gt;
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Satisfied that the Internet now seemed to be leaving her alone, Lillie finally posted the rest of [[All Star]] as a reward on New Year's Eve 2018, gloating:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|since idiots are starting to get a clue and leave me alone heres the rest. i dont care chris aint going to do shit to me becuase my mom will sue him}}&lt;br /&gt;
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This backfired, as an unamused [[Kiwi Farms]] chose to target her in response for the release. Realizing the newfound attention that she had [[Attraction Sign|attracted]] onto herself from All Star, Lillie frantically began backpedaling on Twitter. Once again, she attempted to blame the [[Idea Guys]] for her deeds, but few were convinced: the overwhelming amount of context and framing that would have to have been done for little to no gain made such an explanation unacceptable.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Screenshot 20181231-120212 Twitter.jpg|&amp;quot;I only released ONE video.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Screenshot-twitter.com-2018.12.31-20-28-42.png|A far cry from &amp;quot;i dont care chris aint going to do shit&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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After this, nothing has been heard from the Teen Troon Squad; the remaining members dispersed before they could also be exposed. Their primary legacy is in implanting, or at least nurturing, the [[Dimensional Merge]] as a viable substitute in Chris's life for the [[Love Quest]] that the Idea Guys had brought to an end. Months after they broke all ties, Chris bemoaned on Lillie's birthday in [[September 2019]] that he had lost their company, and appealed for them to come back. It is however doubtful that they will ever return after experiencing the many side effects of trying to manipulating Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
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File:CWC-TTS1.jpg|From left, Devil, Chris, and Lukas.&lt;br /&gt;
File:CWC-TTS2.jpg|Chris with Eva.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Luka.jpg|As [[TSSSF]] cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Devil.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:Evachu.jpg  &lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris with Teen Troon Squad]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Twitter#Leaks|Twitter Leaks]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad chats]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{TTSSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:LGBT]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
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		<title>Response to ADF</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Transcript */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;'''Response to ADF''' is a video leaked by [[CWCki]] user Dinglebear, under the alias CWCvilleProductions, on 29 [[August 2011]], and part of the [[Calling Out]] series. In this video, Chris responds to [[Jack Thaddeus|Ahuviya]] after he uploaded [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieOVxlhhdao two] [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kE7bp7GKx_U videos] in response to Chris calling him out.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris provides yet another halfhearted explanation on why he doesn't like the [[homos]], but has no problem with lesbians (read: they give him a [[Autistic dick|boner]]) and gives his approval for gay marriage (he would later on [[Facebook#Gay Marriage|reverse his position]]). He claims to have empathy and believes that he can't get a job because of all the &amp;quot;slanderous smut and shit&amp;quot; on him that shows up all over the internet, and can't move out because of his parents' age and physical disabilities. This is one of the few moments where Chris seems to be conscious of the real-life implications of his online activity, but in [[Chris and his ego|typical fashion]], he pins fault on those slanderous [[trolls]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris also quotes &amp;quot;[[wikipedia:Free Bird|Free Bird]]&amp;quot; by [[wikipedia:Lynyrd Skynyrd|Lynyrd Skynyrd]] (or &amp;quot;Leonard Skynerd&amp;quot; as he puts it), which is also the only song from the band that appears in ''[[Guitar Hero]]''. Chris wishes Ahuviya good luck with his sex change operation but warns him he will never be a part of &amp;quot;femdom&amp;quot; and calls him a &amp;quot;damn homo&amp;quot;, negating everything he's just said about gay acceptance.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Infobox/video&lt;br /&gt;
| name           = Response to ADF&lt;br /&gt;
| ytid           = 28R_txwJefI&lt;br /&gt;
| stardate       = 29 [[August 2011]]&lt;br /&gt;
| subject        = {{Homos|text}}, {{Tragedy|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| style          = {{Reason|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| saga           = {{Calling Out Saga|text}}, {{Clyde|text}}, {{Tomgirl|text}}&lt;br /&gt;
| shirt          = Blue shirt&lt;br /&gt;
| previous       = [[Victory Rockout]]&lt;br /&gt;
| next           = [[Christopher Paul Whitney reveal]]&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I would get a job... but unfortunately, because of all the shit that's against me on the Internet... between the hate-filled webpages that y'all trolls and cyberbullies have created against me, and the past videos that I was blackmailed and deceived and just plain forced into creating, with such derogatory graphic smut and literal shit within them, it just makes it that much more difficult for me to be able to get a job.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Transcript===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Sky_Nerd.jpg|thumb|If I whined like a virgin, would you please have sex with me?]]&lt;br /&gt;
This is my video response to... Ahuviya, who has apparently taken upon himself to, uh... record his response without blurring his face, optionally or leaving it out. So I'm just going to respond directly with my, uh- a few of my own thoughts. First off, I uh- now... I am heterosexual, [[Homos#Fear of being a homo|I am straight]], and that's just the way I am! It's not a have-to situation, I've never seen it ev- rarely seen it that way, I have at one point, but guess what, I've seen the other viewpoints, and they did not treat de ne- did not fair to me as s- so much, they gross me- they mostly gross me out. Therefore... that is what I am, and I am happy to stay that way, and I want to continue to be [[Chris and English|heteroseshual]]. I am happy with myself there.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I would admit that with other people, there are differences that I feel most uncomfortable about and around, such as... yes, gays... gay men anyway. ''[disgusted look; blows a raspberry]'' I like lesbians. [[Tobacky|Smokers]], definitely the smokers. Can anybody tell me why smoking isn't stupid? I don't think so. And just most other males in gender- in general, because I get along better with women anyway. That's not really my fault, that's just part of my dang brain function with the missing links in my... brain and whatever. But that does not define me as an uncaring and cold-hearted person! [[Chris and Remorse|I have empathy]]! I seek- I can see myself in other people's shoes and see how they would feel if I has- if I- with my responses into whatever situations.&lt;br /&gt;
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And yet you may- while you may or may not have empathy as well, Ahuviya, [[Chris and hypocrisy|I feel you to still be a typical non-understanding pig]]! I would go- I would travel outside of the state if where- or wherever if I could but, because A: I have- I'm on [[Chris and money|low funds]], and I would get a job... but unfortunately, because of all the shit that's against me on the Internet... between the [[CWCki|hate-filled webpages]] that y'all [[trolls]] and cyberbullies have created against me, and the past videos that I was [[Calling Out &amp;quot;Tito&amp;quot; - Don|blackmailed]] and [[For Julie's Eyes Only|deceived]] and just plain forced into creating, with such [[Sonichu 8|derogatory graphic smut]] and [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|literal shit]] within them, it just makes it that much more difficult for me to be able to get a job. 'Cuz they do the background checks, look up [[Facebook]]s and look on [[YouTube]] and look everywhere! They don't just do [[Chris and the law|criminal records]] anymore, ask anybody!&lt;br /&gt;
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And I would travel if I could, but my parents are both old. [[Bob|My father is ill]]. He's sickly. He has [[Chris and English|feet-bloatings]]. And he has ailments that doctors are unable to determine, and at this point he is certified as a forced shut-in! He cannot get out so much, 'cuz he feels so ill and sickly in his feet. And I ''do'' get out of my house, I go out here and there and everywhere, so don't tell me that I don't get out! &amp;quot;I'm free as a bird and this bird... peep- and this bird you cannot change!&amp;quot; Yes, I learned from Leonard Skynerd, and I like that song.&lt;br /&gt;
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And listen- and I want you to listen here. I'm all for equality, but there is a limit! ''[Chris hits the camera]'' I do not want to be forced or intimidated into or bullied into lifestyles that I just ''not am of'', or feel comfortable around! And this was a country where... people would not feel forced to do anything... then, whatever! And yes, marriage should be between two happy people, regardless of, uh, gender or whatever. But I'm still gonna feel most uncomfortable around homosexual dudes, regardless! And just most other males in general, hell, I probably won't even have a bachelor party 'cuz I don't know so many [[JERKS|males]], I'd probably be having a bachelor party mostly constituted with those within my congregation who I'm only acquainted with, like, one or two of. Hell, I would even appreciate having a bachelor party where I had all my [[gal-pals]] come and hold it for me! I'd rather have a bachelor party with... where it was... shoot, I'm trying the think of the word, um... well anyway, with m- anyway, with mostly women, 'cuz I feel more comfortable ar- around women. Platonic, that's the word I would use, the party would be platonic.&lt;br /&gt;
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And likewise, if my bride had mostly male friends, I'd let her hang out with them platonically as well for her bride party. And you know what, I don't care whether I get a bachelor party or not, around the time I do get married. Because that's just- that's just me. [[Bisexual|And I cannot be changed]]. So I would- so I would say, good luck being a [[tomgirl|fake woman]] because you'll never be able to achieve true femdom! And you'll always be a dang homosexual male, 'cuz you're born that way, you gonna to stay that way pretty much even if you're gonna- if you're gonna have your [[pickle|dick]] either chopped off or tucked in! People are still gonna look at you so ill. In the majority of this country. &lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, that's my response for now.&lt;br /&gt;
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Damn homo.&lt;br /&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?&lt;br /&gt;
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I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).|Joshua Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Introduction]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|title     = Idea Guy&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = JoshWcloseup.jpeg|size=250px&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Joshua Allen Wise&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Idea Guy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[4chan|/pol/troll]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Kyoko&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;John Yamada&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Johnson Wiles&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Ballzymaker94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;BallzyCPU94&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture|Pitohui]]&lt;br /&gt;
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|month    = 8 &lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1994&lt;br /&gt;
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|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (California)&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = StephenBoyd.PNG&lt;br /&gt;
|name     = Stephen Boyd&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;NinFreakLan&amp;lt;ref name=tcce/&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Lan Mikoto&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Pikachudips&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;The Unfathomable Lan&lt;br /&gt;
|day      = 5&lt;br /&gt;
|month    = 2&lt;br /&gt;
|year     = 1993&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American (Kentucky)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/members/ninfreaklan.17159/ Stephen's Kiwi Farms account]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|ideaguy|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|brainwash]] him, and it is alleged that they blackmailed Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (and possibly even more) partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.&lt;br /&gt;
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This abuse prompted the creation of a group composed of [[The Captain]], [[Marvin]] and later [[Null]], dubbed the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to work together to dismantle the Idea Guys' schemes and push for legal action to be taken against them. Thanks to their efforts, the Idea Guys' link to Chris was cut by late [[April 2018]]. Authorities never looked into the matter.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Background==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's fantasy world had been ripe for exploitation in the lead-up to the Idea Guys' interactions with him. Years before, the [[Asperpedia Four]] manipulated Chris into killing off [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the comics. The [[Miscreants]] had also told Chris to name a character [[Vulva Pie]] - when he found out what the word meant, he was upset that he had been tricked but felt obligated to maintain Vulva Pie's name in canon. Furthermore, Chris's reliance on his fantasy world as a [[Chris and coping|coping]] mechanism for his real-world life had become heavier, made evident when he believed he was [[dancing with Magi-Chan]], one of his [[imaginary friends]], during the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. This had only occurred one month prior to Joshua Wise beginning contact with him.&lt;br /&gt;
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Outside of Chris's fantasies becoming increasingly potent, Chris's real life was becoming a lot more volatile. The [[Financhu Crisis]] continued to go on, with Chris taking up working on [[Sonichu (comic)|the ''Sonichu'' comic]] more often to gain additional funding through [[Patreon]]. Chris's emotional state could also have been compromised from other life events such as his breakup with [[Jessica Quinn]], as she had been in contact with Chris for a long time and had him believing they would meet up in real life (although Chris's appeared largely back to normal in the weeks between the Quinn breakup and the beginning of Wise's manipulations, having resumed the comic, posting on Twitter and being interviewed).&lt;br /&gt;
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In September 2017, Joshua Wise contacted Chris to commission artwork.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; With the two in contact, Wise decided to see for himself Chris's gullibility.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Red Forest clip]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In late [[October 2017]], he again contacted Chris, posing as '''John Yamada'''. As &amp;quot;Yamada&amp;quot;, Wise claimed to be a soldier from Gamindustri - a location set in the franchise ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' - and inquired if Chris still had his old Sega Dreamcast console, telling him it contained a possible portal into [[CWCville]].&amp;lt;ref name=comicyamada&amp;gt;[[:File:Sonichu 16 page-3.JPG]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref name=gullibility&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Gullibility]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise used the lore from ''Neptunia'' to play into Chris's existing preconceptions about [[Chris and reality|reality]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|his belief that fictional worlds exist in alternate dimensions]], giving him validation over those beliefs, which primed Chris for falling under Wise's spell and eventually encouraged him to retreat further into his fantasy world to cope with his real world problems.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Brainwashing Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
===Role-playing===&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Red Forest}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|the way I get him to do all this is by simply roleplaying. I pull off Sonichu, Rosechu, Magi-chan, the [[CPUs|goddesses from Neptunia]], and even a few of the [[nazis]] that Chris threatened [[Smashing|in the video he did last night]].|Idea Guy Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|all it takes is one of the free photo editing sites and Audacity to make Cwcville come to life.|Wise&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Manipulating Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media2.PNG|thumb|A sample of the photoshopped images Wise created to convince Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The key component of Wise's schemes was role-playing as various entities, including Chris's own [[imaginary friends]] and goddesses from ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]''. By December 2017, Wise was role-playing as at least 13 different characters to Chris, including his persona John Yamada and numerous ''Neptunia'' characters.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris abandons Christianity for Neptunia]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris was so entranced under Wise's tactics that he believed it when Wise role-played as the Chris of [[CWCville]] and told him he had converted to Satanism.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Pretending to be Chris to Chris, religion in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris believed the entities were borrowing John Yamada's computer to communicate with him across dimensions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Rosechu is trans]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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To accompany the role-playing, Wise also crafted storylines, heavily inspired from video games, designed to infiltrate Chris's beliefs, such as ''Payday 2'' antagonist [[Akan]] attacking CWCville and kidnapping Chris's imaginary friend [[Silvana]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Silvana is captured]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and CWCville being occupied by Russians and [[Nazis]]. Wise also utilized doctored audio clips, such as [[Red Forest]], and photoshopped images, which &amp;quot;John Yamada&amp;quot; presented to Chris as documents from CWCville and Gamindustri. &lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media.PNG|Another of Wise's fake news graphics, used to reveal CWCville's Russian occupation. &lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyCwc News Media3.jpg|A fake news graphic about [[Count Graduon]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:NaziDC.jpg|Image from the ''Wolfenstein'' video game franchise, used to trick Chris into believing CWCville and the USA were under Nazi rule.&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Nazis in CWCville]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the wake of the January 2018 attempt by [[Kiwi Farms]] to remove him from power by doxing him, Wise identified as Idea Guy directly to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;Comment from [[The Captain]]: &amp;quot;This is the same shit Wise was pulling the second time around.. Name dropping himself as Idea Guy to Chris.&amp;quot; https://kiwifarms.net/threads/10-4-chris-says-magi-chan-wrote-hawaii-trip-tweet-for-monetary-gain.48498/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and made a new persona, &amp;quot;Johnson Wiles&amp;quot;, setting it as the [[OC]] counterpart of his real-world self.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder#TSSSF IdeaGuy Corruptions Expansion Pack]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Boyd also used Wise's role-playing tactics. The known characters he role-played as are his persona Gwen Mikoto&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and religious figure Jesus Christ.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Cryzel Torture]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Controlling Chris's beliefs===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|He's trying to use his &amp;quot;Creator powers&amp;quot; to return [[Cwcville]] to it's original state before I showed up, but I keep telling him every time he does this, it causes more trouble than actual solutions.|Idea Guy Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And [the Idea Guys] said &amp;quot;nah, [your fix] didn't work, so-and-so undid your attempt&amp;quot;. Chris' response was basically &amp;quot;dang&amp;quot;.|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin on the extent of the Idea Guys' control over Chris's psyche.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/cryzel-torture.45450/post-3558042&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Text with John Yamada.png|thumb|100px|Chris took diligent notes on Wise's lore.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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After convincing Chris of his persona John Yamada's ability to access [[CWCville]]'s dimension, Idea Guy Wise began to manipulate Chris's beliefs and insert his own ideas. He also undermined Chris's attempts to restore his fantasy world; as Wise put it: &amp;quot;Chris thinks he has a psychic link to Cwcville, but every time he tries to change a scenario to his will, I always say it fucks up and makes things worse.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWCville jamsta riots.jpg|thumb|left|150px|Wise tricked Chris into believing this image depicts protesters in CWCville rioting upon [[Jamsta]]'s acquittal for molestation.&amp;lt;ref name=jamstajail&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris tries to keep Jamsta out of jail]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photo is actually an image from the 1992 Los Angeles riots.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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For example, in December 2017, Wise told Chris that [[Jamsta]] had been arrested for molesting [[Punchy]] and Tails. Chris, not liking this development, tried to have Jamsta acquitted. He tried using his psychic link to CWCville to convince the judge to acquit Jamsta, but Wise countered by telling Chris that the judge didn't believe him since he had stepped down as mayor. Chris then tried to influence the jury, but Wise again countered by telling him that while it worked and Jamsta was acquitted, as consequence, a mob was out to get Jamsta, sending a photo of rioting as proof.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Satanic angelica.jpg|thumb|150px|Chris illustrated [[Angelica]] as a Satanist for ''[[Sonichu 13]]'', following lore from Wise.]]&lt;br /&gt;
In another example, Wise role-played as the Chris of CWCville and claimed to be a Satanist, and that Atheism, ''Neptunia'', and Islam were the main beliefs of CWCville, as Christianity had been forgotten after he had stepped down as mayor. The real-world Chris reacted to this information by saying [[Angelica]] would enforce Christianity again, and Wise countered by telling him Angelica became a Satanist and more people were converting to Islam.&amp;lt;ref name=pretend&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 16 page-4.JPG|thumb|150px|left|Chris drew what he believed occurred with the Sega Dreamcast after Wise's suggestion influenced his own imagination.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also so suggestible under Wise's influence that at times Wise would float an idea and Chris's imagination would run wild with the concept. When Wise's John Yamada persona first contacted Chris, he used lore from the ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' video game franchise to say that Chris's Sega Dreamcast console possibly contained a portal into CWCville. Chris decided to run the console for 24 hours, place his hand on it, felt a shock, and imagined that it meant the ''Neptunia'' goddess within it was possessing him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Facebook posts#Sharing my body with a video game character]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Steam, Kiwi Farms and the Dreamcast shock|Wise denies that the Sega shock was his doing and says it was Chris's own stupidity.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Furthermore, after having been in contact with Wise's ''Neptunia'' CPU goddess personas, Chris decided to abandon the Christian religion in favor of ''Neptunia'', and one reason he cited was that he could &amp;quot;actually communicate&amp;quot; with the ''Neptunia'' goddesses.&amp;lt;ref name=religionswitch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, after the Idea Guys were ousted, the influence resulted in Chris identifying as a goddess, [[CPU Blue Heart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC gets kicked.jpg|thumb|200px|Modern CWCville Chris attacking past CWCville Chris after suggestions Wise planted in real-world Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's perception of his imaginary counterpart was influenced by Wise's ideas to a point the latter expressed surprise. Following a comment from Wise's Yamada persona on Nazis and Satanic powers, Chris believed his past CWCville counterpart had been kidnapped by Nazis and given Satanic powers.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Suggestible Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Wise, pushing further, told the real-world Chris his past counterpart had abolished [[women's rights]] to enable his [[Love Quest]] and that he had helped the Nazis win World War 2. Chris then illustrated his modern CWCville counterpart confronting and assaulting his past CWCville counterpart over his actions.&amp;lt;ref name=fuckingsonichu&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|In truth, I made a joke about the Nazis and Satanic powers, not realizing just how much he'd take it in.|Wise.&amp;lt;ref name=suggestible&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In another example, after discussing his [[medallion]] with John Yamada, who told him it was crafted out of Element 115 (as a reference to the ''Call of Duty'' video games&amp;lt;ref name=cwcvillenazis&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;), Chris believed that Yamada had created a new medallion for him and that it would arrive in the mail and unlock his magical powers. This emboldened Chris to begin making plans to travel to meet the creator of [[Rosechu's Story]] and to confront [[Cole Smithey]] in New York, despite not knowing where either lived, believing he would magically learn their addresses. Wise became concerned and convinced Chris not to go on the trips.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris wants to visit Cole and Trickie]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Influences to Chris's fantasy land/sense of reality===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys influenced and brainwashed into Chris [[:Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy|many alterations to his fantasy world]] including his [[imaginary friends]] and his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. These include [[Wild Sonichu]] becoming a drug addict, the creation of [[Bundychu]] (who befriends the spirit of Chris's late father), [[Brendan Fraser]] being elected the mayor of CWCville, and several other concepts.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu 15 revision tail.png|thumb|left|Chris digitally and physically revised bits from the Sonichu comic to match up with the new Idea Guys lore. In this example, he altered a page from [[Sonichu 15]] to match Wise's assertion that [[Rosechu]] had been born as a male, indicated with a pointy tail (left: original image; right: a slip of paper glued over the original page.)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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They also pushed his fantasy escapism further away from reality. Chris, who had been believing he could interact with imaginary friends prior to the Idea Guys, such as when he [[Dancing with Magi-Chan|danced with Magi-Chan in public]], had his beliefs validated and encouraged by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[December 2017]], Wise told Chris that ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' goddess Neptune would be waiting to meet him at a GameStop; Chris decided to go to the Forest Lakes location (from which he [[List of places that have banned Chris|had been banned]]) and waited outside in [[Son-Chu|his car]], honking his horn and shouting her name, and then peered inside the store and scanned the interior looking for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Chris went to a GameStop to meet a Neptunia goddess]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[January 2018]], Chris believed that imaginary friends [[Magi-Chan]] and his father figure and mentor, [[Mewtwo]], had gotten married in a &amp;quot;loving [[Chris and English|triage]]&amp;quot; with [[Silvana]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Two months later, the Idea Guys pushed further and got Chris to believe he married Magi-Chan and became a part of the [[polyamorous marriage]]. Additionally, they brainwashed Chris into believing this made him [[bisexual]].&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys also used their influence to trick Chris into exercising. Around March 2018, Chris began to exercise as they told him he needed to be in shape while in [[CWCville]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3576763&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; working out with dumbbells as seen in [[One-Hundred!]] and joining the gym [[Anytime Fitness]]. His exercise habits continued sporadically for a time after the Idea Guys were ousted, though his interest in it faded away eventually.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Treadmill]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:69 Sonichus.jpg|thumb|200px|[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]], a list the Idea Guys planted into Chris's mind.]]&lt;br /&gt;
The Idea Guys also left a heavy influence on the ''Sonichu'' comic and its canon - and by extension, Chris's imaginary friends. Many details were revised by Chris following the lore they laid out, such as Sonichu's birthdate (switched to 4/20, both a reference to Adolf Hitler's birthdate and to marijuana), the date of the [[rainbow]] which created Sonichu (changed to 1 February 2003, a reference to the Columbia Space Shuttle disaster), and [[Magi-Chan]]'s age (changed to 69 years old, a sexual reference).&lt;br /&gt;
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They also affected plot points and the direction of the comic from ''[[Sonichu 12-9|Sonichu #12-9]]'' onwards. This can be seen in ''Sonichu #12-9'' (which Chris worked on before, during, and after the Idea Guys were in power) - its plot veers sharply from Chris's interests, to the Idea Guys', then back again to Chris's. The following issue, ''[[Sonichu 13|Sonichu #13]]'' (or ''The Awakening of a CPU'', as titled by Chris), represents the Idea Guys' influence over him in comic form. It features a story on how Wise's John Yamada persona came to influence Chris over the idea of his Sega Dreamcast containing a portal to [[CWCville]]. In a page-and-a-half wall of text, Chris summarizes his adventures with Yamada and the ''Hyperdimension Neptunia'' cast, and the salvation of Gamindustri and CWCville from the invaders. The rest of ''Sonichu 13'' covers an incoherent series of plot threads over the topics the Idea Guys had brainwashed into Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Dimensional Merge]], a key influence to Chris's escapist habits, is thought to originate from the Idea Guys, though no chatlogs pertaining to it were publicly released, and the first public mention to it by Chris occurred months after their ousting. A small clue is in the Merge's start date being 18 November 2018&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/1064201575994982400&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - the 40th anniversary of the {{w|Jonestown}} Mass Suicide - which aligns with the Idea Guys inserting dates of infamous historical events into ''Sonichu'' canon. According to [[Guard Dog]] Marvin, the Merge is an Idea Guy concept:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|It was an idea that the Idea Guy invented, but Chris didn't really pay enough attention to it as a concept until around when the [[Teen Troon Squad|teen troon squad]] showed up.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now it might've just been a coincidence, but it was around that time, Chris started seriously looking into the merge as a solution to his problems.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early trolling==&lt;br /&gt;
Midway through November 2017, Chris's content began to include references designed to go over his head. On 14 November, he wrote that imaginary friend [[Silvana]] had been captured by [[Akan|a Russian billionaire]], and posted a photo of the soldier who would be rescuing her. This was recognized by spectators as a reference to the politically incorrect &amp;quot;Remove Kebab&amp;quot; internet meme. The soldier was to be part of [[Operation BARBarossa]], which consisted of historical references to World War 2. That same day, in what Wise termed &amp;quot;the first true exercise of trust&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A#Influencing Sonichu 12-9]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris recorded [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World!]] while wearing a tinfoil hat to prevent &amp;quot;the man&amp;quot; from reading his mind. On 11 December, Chris performed a supposed &amp;quot;[[Cherokean Chant]]&amp;quot;, which in fact involved mimicking the &amp;quot;squatting Slav&amp;quot; meme and reciting Internet meme quotes from the ''S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'' video game series, all while [[Alcohol|drunk on half a fifth of vodka]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Drawing with Japanese text (closeup of signature).png|thumb|200px|right|Chris was tricked into believing the Japanese text translated to his signature, however, it translates to &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis.&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris was also tricked into writing [[Bob Walks In Aftermath|edgy jokes in foreign languages]]. In November 2017, Chris posted artwork featuring [[Sailor Moon]] characters conversing with his CWCville counterpart; he was actually tricked into writing &amp;quot;I am carrying a penis&amp;quot;, among other things, in Japanese.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2017 Patreon posts#Chris writes about dicks, thinks it's his signature]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The drawing may have been the earliest instance of Wise's trickery, as it was dated 18 October 2017, falling in between Wise's initial contact and the debut of his John Yamada persona. In December, more art was posted,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2017 Facebook posts#&amp;quot;Translated&amp;quot; Sailor Moon drawings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; this one featuring the [[Wikipedia:Meine Ehre heißt Treue|SS motto]] as well as German lines from the video games ''Brothers in Arms'' and ''Wolfenstein: The New Order''. Chris also tried to write the &amp;quot;signature&amp;quot; line again, although he accidentally wrote it with a typo. The German translations in particular put Chris's [[naïve|naïveté]] on full display, with some of the German dialogue featuring words such as &amp;quot;Zebra&amp;quot;, &amp;quot;Evolution&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;Universum&amp;quot;, which are similar or identical to English counterparts that are obviously absent in the supposed translations. A January 2018 post congratulating [[Magi-Chan]] and [[Mewtwo]] on tying the knot also contained Swedish text giving a shout-out to [[Kiwi Farms]].&amp;lt;ref name=gaymarriage&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Escalation==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Smashing (720p 30fps H264-192kbit AAC).mp400002.png|thumb|150px|A still from [[Smashing]] showing the destroyed [[Christine Doll]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The manipulation of Chris over his fantasy world gradually escalated. In [[January 2018]], Wise role-played as [[Nazis]] and led Chris to believe they had bugged his [[Christine Doll]]. Chris retaliated by destroying it in [[Smashing]]. Days later, Chris also destroyed his miniature Christmas tree in [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Cryzel Torture chatlog excerpt.png|thumb|left|200px|Wise and Boyd team up to manipulate Chris during [[Cryzel Torture]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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By [[April 2018]], the Idea Guys had a sadistic hold over Chris's beliefs. In [[Cryzel Torture]], one of the leaked chatlogs from late that month, Wise role-played as ''Sword Art Online'' character Pitohui and graphically described torturing Chris's imaginary wife, [[Cryzel]], for several hours, with Boyd providing backup.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to [[The Captain]], at some point, Boyd told Chris to punch his mother. The Captain stated that, &amp;quot;There is no video or photographic evidence of Chris punching his mother.&lt;br /&gt;
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In a private chat with Wise, Chris claims that he punched his mother at Boyd's insistence for failing a quiz or some shit like that. Chris states to Wise that Boyd told him to &amp;quot;Punch your mother&amp;quot; and Chris claims to Wise that he did it.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;{{cite farms|thread=41369|post=3563096}}&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise often forced Chris to have phone sex with him, though there is no recording of these calls.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Phone_Sex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Blackmail and extortion allegations==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|2018 Sales Listings}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So naturally once they have Chris believing [they can destroy CWCville], they have Chris confessing to being a pedophile and raping his mother. Once they have those confessions, they threaten to release it to the public if he doesn't record himself shitting on the floor and punching himself in the face until tears and snot are running down his chin. At one point, they ask Chris to punch his mother, which he does (though he claims lightly).|Guard Dog Null describing the Idea Guys' sadistic exploitation of Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Discord3.jpg|thumb|200px|The fictional superweapon Kadingir, as depicted in anime series ''Symphogear''. The Idea Guys used this image to con Chris into believing they had the capability to destroy the moon and CWCville.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;[[The Bad Beginning]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Guard Dogs]] alleged that the Idea Guys managed to extort $6,000 worth of gift cards, video games, and other accessories from Chris by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]: not only that, Boyd also demanded $20,000,&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; or else he would report Chris as a pedophile to the FBI.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Guard Dog [[The Captain]] also stated that the Idea Guys had &amp;quot;forced Chris to record a series of videos to his Google Drive [...] in order to use them as leverage against him in the future,&amp;quot; which included content such as [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and an unreleased two-hour video of Chris reacting to &amp;quot;grotesque pornography&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys, while role-playing as fictional characters, had convinced Chris they had the means to destroy CWCville. Wise, posing as anime series ''Symophogear'' villain Finé - whose backstory involves being the creator of a particle-ion cannon titled Kadingir with the capability to destroy the moon&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://symphogear.fandom.com/wiki/Kadingir&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; - claimed that the destroyed moon chunks would then fall onto CWCville. Idea Guy Boyd, posing as Gwen Mikoto, affirmed Wise's claims and also threatened to erase the dimension in which CWCville resides by nuking it.&amp;lt;ref name=bad&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When the Guard Dogs rescued Chris from the Idea Guys' influence, they told him the moon destroying weapon did not exist and Chris became &amp;quot;extremely angry&amp;quot; at the revelation.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3550216&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Idea Guys had [[brainwashed]] Chris into believing himself a pedophile by telling him that the [[BlueSpike]] cyber sex logs and having had crushes on high school classmates during high school counted as pedophilia. After being freed from their influence, Chris no longer believed it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-bad-beginning.45651/post-3577677&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moon threat excerpts The Bad Beginning chatlog.png|thumb|left|200px|Excerpts from [[The Bad Beginning]] chatlog in which the Idea Guys use the threat of moon chunks leveling CWCville to pressure Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To pay off the Idea Guys, Chris raised money from [[eBay]] sales of his toys and pieces of the Chandler hoard. Guard Dog [[The Captain]] stated that the Idea Guys &amp;quot;were telling him what to sell/urging him to dig through more boxes, etc. in an effort to find things to hawk on eBay to make money for them.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3675397&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In addition, $1,200 gifted to him from [[Jack Jankowski]], meant to go towards attending [[BronyCon 2018]], was sent to the Idea Guys. Though this were not enough to satisfy their demands, as in April 2018, Chris withheld a [[14 Branchland Court#Mortgage|mortgage payment]], putting the Chandlers at severe risk of losing their home.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution|prostitute]] himself.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investiation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IdeaGuyExtortionGift.png|Email confirmation of an item Chris bought for Boyd.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts1.jpg|Receipts of items Chris bought for Wise and Boyd, including Amazon and Steam gift cards.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyReceipts2.jpg|Chris retained many receipts.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Removal from power==&lt;br /&gt;
===January 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
An early attempt to stop Wise's influence over Chris was made in January 2018. At the time, there had been no indication of the extortion or sadistic manipulation over Chris that was to come; the intervention was made, according to a Kiwi Farms moderator, because the output of his early manipulation was &amp;quot;total trash.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;[[:File:Yawning Sneasel comment on first Idea Guy dox.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|We have seen all we needed to see and nothing more would be gained from seeing more [[Cherokean Chant|squatting, tracksuits]] and the introduction of Pepechu.|Yawning Sneasel, one of the Kiwi Farms moderators involved with the first doxing.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 January 2018, Wise was doxed on Kiwi Farms&amp;lt;ref name=22jandox&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/idea-guy-joshua-wise-manipulating-the-intellecutally-disabled-for-fun-megathread.37132/post-2984638 (Archive https://archive.fo/fmLt3)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[dox]] of his family members was included as a deterrent.&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Wise persisted in contact with Chris - one of Chris's drawings of Wise's character [[Kun T'Nyuget]] was made the next day,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Also, Introducing Kun T’Nyuget.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; implying Wise did not cut communications with Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's social media output over the next few months gradually indicated that he was under manipulation. The public, uncertain over whether it was Wise again, referred to the resurgence as &amp;quot;Idea Guy 2.0&amp;quot;, and it was later alleged by the Guard Dogs that Wise was part of it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He got doxed, people forgot about him, and instead of thinking &amp;quot;hmm, boy, I dodged a bullet! well, better safe than sorry, let's pack it in!&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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He goes &amp;quot;AUGH YEAH, coast's clear, start 'er back up again!&amp;quot;|[[Guard Dog]] Marvin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-chris-chan-extortionists.45366/post-3551679&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===April 2018===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Chris-Chan Extortionists‎}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:The Captain Amnyfest Ring photoshop (compressed from original).jpg|thumb|200px|[[The Captain]]'s photoshopped image of Chris's [[Amnyfest Ring]], used to convince Chris to trust him instead of the Idea Guys.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In April 2018, [[The Captain]] was informed by people close to Chris that they suspected he was being manipulated and extorted. In that same month, the Idea Guys forced Chris to sell his [[Amnyfest Ring]] on [[eBay]] - the buyer was The Captain. Borrowing from the Idea Guys' tactics, The Captain used the ring as a tool to gain Chris's trust by playing into his fantasies, role-playing about [[Magi-Chan]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;The Captain's Kiwi Farms posts [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/cIVI0) and [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/page-142#post-3766239 here] (archive: https://archive.fo/ZJ1fB), and Chris's perspective from [[Sonichu 13]]'s epilogue&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and telling him the ring was sending him messages that the [[CPUs]] (personas used by the Idea Guys) were hacked and not to be trusted.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I simply told him that the ring was sending me morse code messages and that the [Idea Guys] were lying to him. So I did a five minute photoshop of the ring glowing and sent it to Chris as well as a piece of notepaper where I wrote &amp;quot;The CPUs have been hacked. Don't trust the CPUs&amp;quot; claiming that was the morse code message.&lt;br /&gt;
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Sure enough, Chris believed it [...] and proceeded to give me his passwords and everything else - that's how we got to where we are today. [...] Without that ring we may NEVER have found out what happened|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/posts/3566885/ (Archive https://archive.fo/WBwyL)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Trusting The Captain, Chris gave him direct access to his accounts, including [[Discord]], so The Captain could &amp;quot;scan for viruses&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|When I logged onto the Discord I was appalled - the level of absurdity that these guys had gone to in order to take advantage of Chris was beyond belief. I saw the constant requests for money, threats, blackmail, etc. and Chris' responses and was simply floored. They were forcing Chris to post videos, Twitter statuses, etc. all in order to get their kicks in addition to the constant requests for money|The Captain,&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Captain teamed up with [[Marvin]] to gather evidence. Telling Chris to take a break from the Internet - and to catch up on TV shows the Idea Guys had banned him from watching - The Captain, with Marvin's coaching, role-played as Chris in the Idea Guys' Discord server to stall while Marvin worked to capture the Discord chatlogs.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|At one point [the Idea Guys] wanted Chris to post photographic evidence that he was indeed himself, writing a message on a dry erase board. I had Chris take said picture for me and then forwarded it to them, etc. Eventually, @Marvin built a script to rip the chat logs from Discord, which amounted to hundreds of pages of autistic debauchery in which these speds took advantage of Chris. When the script was finished and we had the chat logs and images we simply went silent on the Discord and a couple days later Wise and Boyd got freaked out and attempted to sanitize it, banning Chris from the channel and deleting every private message they had sent him one by one.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 April, Chris referenced the Idea Guys' removal from power over Twitter.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|feeling blessed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am aware that many people are worried about me. Do Not Fear! I am in a Good Place and everything will be Okay! Things will be figured out soon enough.|Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2018 social media posts#I know people are worried]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A month later, Chris revealed a bit more, saying he had &amp;quot;very Powerful Allies helping to rectify the situation. I can't say much other than certain people should be Very Frightened right now!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=stillbelievingmarriage&amp;gt;[[May 2018 social media posts#On the Cryzel and Magi-Chan relationship and being blackmailed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Attempted return===&lt;br /&gt;
According to [[The Captain]], one of the Idea Guys attempted to engage with Chris once more, but Chris rejected it.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|And then everything just sort of settled down for several weeks. At one point Chris received some texts from either Boyd or Wise attempting to roleplay {{w|The Dark Tower (series)|the Dark Tower}} with him, to which Chris replied, &amp;quot;I'll do it for $6,000!&amp;quot; and naturally, they didn't message again.|The Captain.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Reported to authorities==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Chris did eventually print my IC3 report and hand it in to the station himself [...] Since then it has been dead air. No one has contacted Chris, no one has contacted me, no one has done anything.|Guard Dog [[Null]] describes his frustrations with the lack of an investigation.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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With their archives of the Idea Guys' Discord chatlogs with Chris, as well as Chris providing the receipts and invoices of gifts sent to them, the [[Guard Dogs]] attempted to report the Idea Guys to the authorities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Null contacted the Greene County Sheriff, local to Chris, to discuss the matter. The sheriff interpreted things as a matter of choice from Chris. Null also contacted the FBI, both through their online contact form and also by handing a copy to an FBI agent, as the alleged extortion occurred across state lines. Chris later took a printed copy of Null's report to his local police station and turned it in. However, there have been no signs of an investigation as Null and Chris were not contacted back.&amp;lt;ref name=tcce&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Lingering influence ==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|If you want BAD DIRECTION, you should look up Idea Guy.|Chris, in the middle of restating his belief that he is married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]], an Idea Guy concept.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2018 social media posts#Sonichu 12-9 approaches completion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Digman (Dark Idea Guy) TSSSF.jpg|thumb|200px|&amp;quot;Dark Idea Guy&amp;quot; as envisioned by Chris months after the Idea Guys had been ousted.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite the Idea Guys being removed from power in [[April 2018]], the damage to Chris’s sense of reality has lingered. Their actions gave him a sense of validation and boosted his confidence in his pre-existing beliefs about [[dimensions]] and psychically linking with his [[imaginary friends]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, though aware of the Idea Guys’ malevolence, continues to believe in many of the concepts they had instilled into him. The most notable being the [[Dimensional Merge]], which he believes will magically solve the [[Financhu Crisis]] and bring [[CWCville]]/[[C-197]] and all fictional characters to life; and lore from video game series ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'', in particular CPU goddesses, which crystalized into Chris believing he is [[CPU Blue Heart]]. Other concepts that Chris still holds on to include his [[bisexual]]ity,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Copitz]] interview.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; his [[polyamorous marriage]] (which paused the [[Love Quest]] - [[Affair with Mother|temporarily, at least]]), [[Robertchu]], theories about [[Ted Bundy]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Count Dankula]] interview, June 2018.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and the [[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus|69 Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Nightstar is a very important Special Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 August 2018, Chris posted [[Sonichu 13#Epilogue|an epilogue to ''Sonichu 13'']], which offered clues as to why he maintains belief in the Idea Guys' lore. In it, he stated that Wise's &amp;quot;slanderous, destructive efforts only strengthened my own psychic links with [[C-197|our world, there]].&amp;quot; To Chris, the Idea Guys had been &amp;quot;royally messing&amp;quot; with not only him, but also &amp;quot;literally&amp;quot; the Earth, [[Equestria]] and the CPU goddesses. Chris stated his belief that Wise, &amp;quot;has his own link and grasp of out [sic] world there&amp;quot; and that he ultimately restored [[CWCville]] and released the CPU goddesses from Wise's control.&lt;br /&gt;
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Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|&amp;quot;[[Reality]]&amp;quot; is a malleable concept to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris is mostly mad about money first and being made to embarrass himself second.&lt;br /&gt;
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In regards to why he still maintains a lot of their canon, it's because Chris is too invested in his imaginary world to give up on it so easily. I think after Wise and Boyd were outed, he felt really uncomfortable about retconning most of their changes. Because if he retcons the past six months, then fuck, why can't he retcon all of it? That would make him feel really uneasy about the possible reality of his imaginary world.&lt;br /&gt;
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That reality is most important to him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-816#post-4002093 (https://archive.md/9GYiD)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|So, you just admitted you were and still are [[Chris and manipulation|manipulated]] by the Idea Guys. [[Dimensional Merge|The merge]], [[Messiah complex|the]] [[CPU Blue Heart|goddess]] [[Chris and religion|stuff]], all of it. Christine, if you’re still in there it’s not too late fix your life for the better. It’s ok to face [[Chris and reality|reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
|A concerned fan on Twitter in December 2020.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]|[[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], [[Spirit possession|&amp;quot;possessed&amp;quot; by]] [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys &amp;quot;for their &amp;quot;Dimensions’ level of damage&amp;quot;, he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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== Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A}}&lt;br /&gt;
The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.&lt;br /&gt;
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One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.&lt;br /&gt;
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Wise also briefly conversed with other members of the forum, archived in [[Misc Idea Guy chats]]. After he was doxed by the site's moderators on 22 January 2018, many users came forward to post content and conversations that he had shared with them.&lt;br /&gt;
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He hadn't shared all of his content over PMs, generally only summarizing his interactions with Chris. After he was exposed, he offered to trade in all of his information in exchange for the moderators removing the dox of his family members. They refused on the grounds that they disliked his public trolling output and believed the dox would be an incentive for him to stay away from Chris,&amp;lt;ref name=sneasel&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; a message which Wise ignored.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;center&amp;gt;&amp;lt;gallery&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Ideaguy poster.jpg|A nine-page poster Wise, role-playing as CPU Neptune, requested Chris to draw,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Leak14.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which he did for free.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc Idea Guy chats#Chat with Kiwi Farms member 1]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris later said it's the drawing that took him the most effort.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Discord Q&amp;amp;A 6#Drawing that took the most effort]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
File:Psychic Type Talk.jpg|Chris coped during the Idea Guys' reign by mentally retreating to [[CWCville]] and talking to his [[imaginary friends]] there.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Aether in the goddess ring.jpg|Chris believes he undid the Idea Guys' corruptions. However, he continues to maintain many beliefs they had brainwashed into him.&lt;br /&gt;
File:IdeaGuyMap.jpeg|A map Joshua Wise made.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bundychu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris and reality]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Cryzel Torture]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Dimensional Merge]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[IdeaGuy Corruptions]], a [[TSSSF]] pack featuring lore influenced by the Idea Guys.&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kun T'Nyuget]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Misc Idea Guy chats‎]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Red Forest]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu 13]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The 69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Bad Beginning]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The Chris-Chan Extortionists]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[The group]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Teen Troon Squad]], who leaked several videos from the Idea Guys saga.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{IdeaGuySaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris hates]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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'''Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia''' was a troll forum established in late [[April 2011]] and shut down later that year.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20111028013842/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/] (Archive from 28 Oct 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [[Chris]] was directed to the site and joined on 26 May 2011, posting under the alias '''&amp;quot;KookyDashy&amp;quot;'''. Unaware that the website was actually a Honey pot set up by [[Thorg]] and several other trolls. This resulted in several stories of his exploits as a tomgirl that, to say the least, made the effort of tracking him down more than worth it. It is believed by many Christorians that the exploits that Chris had in this forum culminated in a domino effect that led to him going from experimenting with crossdressing to becoming [[transgender]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris revealed that he had come out to his parents, only to receive insults from them. [[Barb]], in particular, has kept complaining about his new attire, and [[Bob]], according to Chris, &amp;quot;threw the damned fag card&amp;quot; at him. Chris also recounts a story in which he went to the lady's restroom because he &amp;quot;started feeling discomfort in using the Men's restroom.&amp;quot; Despite a [[jerkop]] who caught him and yelled at him, Chris proceeded to ignore him and is presumably using the ladies' room to this day.&lt;br /&gt;
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Later posts Chris made excessive mention of being trolled online, at which point it became obvious that KookyDashy was Chris. According to Chris, socializing online makes people more [[autistic]], and people should socialize offline. The irony of posting this on an online social forum was apparently lost. Chris also became paranoid of being trolled even on these forums, leading him to accuse a tomboy looking for a tomgirl of being a troll. For a month, Chris didn't post at the forums.&lt;br /&gt;
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After that month, [[Thorg]] &amp;quot;discovered&amp;quot; the Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia forum, and made an article about it on the [[CWCki]]. Chris noticed this quickly, and alerted his fellow tomboys and tomgirls a day later. Naturally, this also entailed him admitting that he is Christian Weston Chandler. Chris complained about the trolls, and said that he is not a bad person, despite what the CWCki said. The other posters promised to help Chris defeat the trolls. The forums became defunct shortly afterwards. Chris's last communique was on 28 July. Below are his posts, 23 in all, with white representing Chris's posts and red representing those by his gender-bending peers. Not all dates have been preserved.&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Tbtgva.png|thumb|right|400px|Screencap of the forum index page.]] &lt;br /&gt;
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== Profile ==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:ponyboy.jpg|thumb|Chris's profile pic. [[My Little Pony|KookyDashy]]: Interests include [[Plush Breasts of Fail|breasts]], [[China|pussy]], and [[Autism Awareness E-mails|autism awareness]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
Username: KookyDashy&lt;br /&gt;
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Location: [[Charlottesville]], Virginia&lt;br /&gt;
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Age: 29&lt;br /&gt;
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Interests: music, makeup, clothes, video games, sing-a-longs/karaoke, pussy, breasts, sweet-personality, friendly girlfriends. :) Protecting against cyber-bullies, and autism awareness. Also be sure to feel your boobies for breast cancer awareness.&lt;br /&gt;
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Signature: Have a Good Day and Stay Safe, KookyDashy.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Posts ==&lt;br /&gt;
===Re: Introductions!===&lt;br /&gt;
In which Chris provides everything about his identity bar his name.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sun May 29, 2011 4:56 am &lt;br /&gt;
Hello, fellow tomgirls. :)&lt;br /&gt;
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Y'all may address me by my screen name in the board talk. I like [[Chris and Music|music]], [[Kaka Makeup Basics|makeup]], [[Chris and Fashion|dressin' up]] in my mini, [[Mass Debating|havin' fun]] 'n hangin' with my [[Gal-pals|girlfriend]]s, [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|karaoke]], [[video games]], crafting and [[art]].&lt;br /&gt;
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I am also [[Chris and remorse|empathetic]], so [[Autism|I can understand others people's feelings]], as well as my own. I am a dynamic, complex individual.&lt;br /&gt;
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I do not have many [[jerks|dude pals]], because I have my own mental hang-ups against the majority of them; Nothing Personal. I have a history of being bullied by some mean brutes, as well as [[homos|homosexuals]], over the [[internet]]. Cyber-Bullies/[[Trolls]]/Anons are a hot button with me. I prefer not to discuss that issue further.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I am an all-around good, [[death threats|friendly]], [[List of Chris's lies|honest]], [[Vibrator|heterosexual]] tomgirl.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thank you all for offering me respect, as I respect each of you and your opinions on the board.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211237/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;amp;t=2&amp;amp;p=157] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: Coming out to my parents===&lt;br /&gt;
In this thread, Chris opened up about his parents' feelings in regards to his newfound wardrobe.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sun May 29, 2011 5:12 am&lt;br /&gt;
Y'all are singin' my song; my [[Barb|mom]] and [[Bob|dad]] were shocked bad when I told them I was a tomgirl. Soo Literally old-fasioned (they're both [[Chris and English|seinors]]). My mom said &amp;quot;I didn't raise a daughter&amp;quot;, and my father threw the damned &amp;quot;fag&amp;quot; card at me.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Dick_Licker;_that_is_I|I will Always be Straight,]] Mom and Dad; give me some faith and trust.&lt;br /&gt;
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What a world with outside influances to put great paranoia in our families.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, try looking up &amp;quot;tomgirl&amp;quot; on [[Wikipedia]]; it redirects to &amp;quot;effeminancy&amp;quot;. While effeminancy is true for us, I feel the contents of that page is against us, due to it addressing the [[homos]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Someone needs to undo the redirects, edit the grammer errors in &amp;quot;tomgirl&amp;quot;`s original edit, and add a ton more detail to it.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211307/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=3&amp;amp;p=160] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:37 am&lt;br /&gt;
My mom is still giving me complaints and nit-picks about me wearing my feminine attire. I wish I could just up and move out and not have to deal with my family; I don't know too many other people here in C-Ville, and those I do know I'm only acquainted with or know little about them for only a few weeks.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus finding employment is hard. I got a [[CADD|fancy computer degree]] from [[Piedmont Virginia Community College|community college]], and there have been very slim pickings from it. Already Taken; Quota's Filled; yada, yada, yada.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus also, she keeps throwing disbelief towards us by stating &amp;quot;Tomgirls aren't real&amp;quot;; SHE'S a Tomboy; what a bunch of 1940's old-fashioned crap. Plus she watches too much current news, and she is soo paranoid and shit.&lt;br /&gt;
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I wish I could afford to move out, but I can't afford it [[monthly tugboat|financially]], [[Autism|mentally]] and [[stress|emotionally]]. Fucking [[Chris and anger|pisses me off.]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=3&amp;amp;start=20] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: Girly Things Tee Hee===&lt;br /&gt;
Chris relates a story about women feeling justifiably uncomfortable with a leering, beskirted moron invading their restroom.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sun May 29, 2011 5:30 am &lt;br /&gt;
After I realized my tomgirly ways, and starting dressing up in my skirts, I started feeling discomfort in using the Men's restroom. I asked my closest [[gal pal]] if it would be going too far in using the Ladies' room; she told me to go with my feelings. My next skirted outting, I used the ladies' room, and I squatted, holding my [[duck|arrow]] down over the john (so I would be less likely to soil my skirt); it felt good and Right. Days later, though, after 4 more lady trips; a woman complains and tattles on me, and a stereotypical [[jerk|Brute male]] shouts me out. I felt embarassed. When in skirt, I am still gonna go to the Ladies, because there is no goin' back for me.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Rape|Heck, I would not hold it against a tomboy who felt more comfort in using the Men's room over the Ladies']].&lt;br /&gt;
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As truest Tomgirls, we do respect greatly the women as equals. I would never look or anything of the sort.&lt;br /&gt;
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Open for your thoughts.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211350/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=20&amp;amp;p=162#p162] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:42 am&lt;br /&gt;
I've recently got into the original Squinkies, they are so cute and cool. And their gumball-machine dispensing playsets are neat. I like the cupcake-shaped one. And they're also coming out with Squinkie cars for [[Hot Wheels]] and Cars 2; little Squinkie people now have cool wheels to drive.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211412/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=20&amp;amp;start=10] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:24 am &lt;br /&gt;
Something else girly I enjoy danglin' around where I go is my ankle bracelet. It's a silver chain with sections of 4 silver beads, and I've added three stars on chains onto the hook. I never take it off, because it is an awesome and cute jewelry, plus it is difficult to put it back on. LOL&lt;br /&gt;
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I also am enjoying the &amp;quot;Mighty Milky Way&amp;quot; DSiWare game on my [[Nintendo|3DS]]. Luna is a cute, sexy gal, and the method of guiding her from planet to planet is neat.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyone else on here with a 3DS may add me onto y'all's Friend List with my code, 2836-0121-9073. Please P.M. me with your 3DS F.C. in response if y'all add me.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211448/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=20&amp;amp;p=382#p382] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: Homosexuals===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:TG20.jpg|thumb|Hear that, homos? Chris is offended by your flamboyance!]]&lt;br /&gt;
Chris's well-established sentiments about gay men bubble to the surface.&lt;br /&gt;
{{quotebox|I do not care much for the [[homosexual]] males either. I mean, I really feel offended when they get soo flamboyant with their ways and such, it's like they're shoving it in your face. Plus, most of the Cyber-Bullies who gave me grief were homos [[Jack Thaddeus|themselves]], placing their damn label onto me wrongfully.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Magi-Chan|As long as they each keep it to themselves and behind closed doors, I won't bother them]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211350/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=20&amp;amp;p=162#p162] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: July Meetup===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxred|'''by DanielleTheRiveter » Sun May 29, 2011 9:58 pm'''&lt;br /&gt;
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That's right, everyone. It's that time again. Time to plan our big meet up for July. We're currently looking to meet up somewhere that's kinda central and should be easy for everyone.&lt;br /&gt;
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First off, remember to dress your best. I'm going to wear my old dress uniform like normal but if you'd like to give us a sneak peak of your outfit, please feel free to do so here.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, any suggestions for Date / Time / Location is welcome.&lt;br /&gt;
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Looking forward to seeing everyone there!|DanielleTheRiveter&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;July Meetup&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211516/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;amp;t=27&amp;amp;p=229#p229] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:47 am&lt;br /&gt;
How about at the [[Two's_company_snapshots|Applebees]] next to Toys 'R' Us on Branchlands Lane on a Monday; at 9 PM, they have Karaokee night there. Meet and greet first and sing-along after.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;July Meetup&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: FUKKEN HATERSSSssssssssss===&lt;br /&gt;
In which Chris fantasizes about an unrealistic encounter with a &amp;quot;hater&amp;quot; and reminds everyone that he's not a [[homo]].&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:38 am&lt;br /&gt;
I would generally ignore the haters' hurtful comments and move forward too. But if they are really in my face calling me gay or telling me [[virgin|I won't be geeting a woman]], I would tell them like it is in my miniskirt, &amp;quot;All I have to do is lift up my skirt and I'll be up your woman's biz in seconds.&amp;quot; :)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211544/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;amp;t=32&amp;amp;p=291#p291] (Archive from July 22 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: What part of Virginia are you from?===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quotebox|Wed Jun 08, 2011 3:44 am&lt;br /&gt;
Charlottesville is my city of stompin' ground; it can stand some improvement, though. More excitement, and maybe a strip club or two. LOL.&lt;br /&gt;
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I've also resided in [[Richmond|Midlothian]] for my Middle and [[High School]] years.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211606/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;amp;t=35&amp;amp;p=292] (Archive from 22 Jul 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: 10 interesting facts about you!===&lt;br /&gt;
Unsurprisingly, Chris considers an assortment of banal self-serving opinions to be &amp;quot;interesting facts&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Wed Jun 08, 2011 4:00 am &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Autism|1.]] I like to take my time to think of how I feel about the current topic, as well as responding in discussion.&lt;br /&gt;
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2. I am empathetic.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Fat|3.]] I appreciate how the fast food places wised up and started offering apple slices as a healthier option after decades of fried potatoes.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Trolls|4.]] With my history of being trolled and online coomunicating, I feel online socializing only makes people more autistic-like. People need to wise up and go back to feeling comfortable socializing in person.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Cwcsicle|5.]] I have sassy, fun ideas sometimes.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Sonichu|6.]] I am good at hand-drawing, coloring and story creating.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Manchester High School|7.]] I have had happy years in High School.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Autism|8.]] I try to be cautious of other people's intentions and feelings while communicating and coping with them.&lt;br /&gt;
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9. I am technologically and musically inclined.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Chris and Art|10.]] I enjoy tinkering and creating when I feel inspired.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211622/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;amp;t=34&amp;amp;p=293] (Archive from 22 Jul 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: tomboy looking 4 tomgirl===&lt;br /&gt;
A [[Trolls|purported]] tomboy makes herself known on the forums, and is immediately attacked by Chris with no incitement or context.&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Suchin.jpg|thumb|Suchin]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by William » Sun May 29, 2011 2:44 am'''&lt;br /&gt;
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hello my name is suchin and i am originally from thailand. my friends call me william or will because i am rowdy and like to have fun i am looking for tomgirl to treat me right. i work in manicure salon now and i love beauty on my men and dirt on me&lt;br /&gt;
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[image]&lt;br /&gt;
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this is me. what is you? lets meet up and exchange details. i am from richmond but will be in charlottesville for the 4th of july. i love freedom now too.&lt;br /&gt;
your turn now! fi dorrar. sacki aur bunti. PLEASE send me a message!|William&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211633/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&amp;amp;t=26&amp;amp;p=311#p311] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:06 am &lt;br /&gt;
There is a pretty face, lovely head of [[hair]] and [[Women's Rights|a nice rack]] in the photo. But I feel I have to interject here.&lt;br /&gt;
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How do we know you are really that woman, or are you really some immature, trolling stupid brat trying to stir trouble on our forum? People have done that sort of thing over the internet; I fell victim to communicating with such people. And from that, I have learned to keep most personal things offline and to myself.&lt;br /&gt;
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Anyway, I am not going to fall for such an obvious facade, and I wish to prevent anyone else from finding such gross disappointment and disaster.&lt;br /&gt;
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Fess up, man.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Tippy » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:27 am '''&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey I'm going to be down in Richmond tomorrow anyway, I think you're pretty cute so I'd like to meet up if possible.&lt;br /&gt;
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I understand if this is kind of sudden, but when I saw that picture I just knew I had to meet this woman.|Tippy&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by William » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:33 am''' &lt;br /&gt;
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kookydashy your comment make me so sad? i work so hard on my body to be my tomboy self and i am so tired of others putting me down for me being me. sometimes i think it because they jealous but for you to accuse me of being troll, someting i hate most in whole american world, make me cry some. this remind me of my sister telling me i cannot wear pants because i am woman. i can wear pants AND NOT BE MAN OR UGLY!!!!&lt;br /&gt;
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as for Tippy, you sound so nice. I would love to meet a creature like you in reality world! i would even love to do your hair and nails and so much more... I am excite now! Yes! Please! I get out of work at around six. Can we do drinkies than??&lt;br /&gt;
|William&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Tippy » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:38 am'''&lt;br /&gt;
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OMG that's perfect, I'm supposed to have an early dinner meeting with a supplier, so I will be free right around six. I'll private message you my cell number and other info so we can exchange our numbers and stuff. I am so excited, I cannot wait. I will be counting down the hours till we meet up my Tomboy dream. We'll have drinks, and maybe dessert ;). Hehehehe|Tippy&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by William » Thu Jun 09, 2011 3:44 am''' &lt;br /&gt;
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AHHHHHHHHHH!!!! Sawatdee kaa!! &amp;lt;3 You are true lady AND gentleman! I will call you tonight to confirm our time together with one another for tomorrow! You have dried every tear of mine so quick and make me smile bright bright bright... I cannot wait to smile more with you! xx|William&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Suchin 2.jpg|thumb|Suchin]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Tippy » Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:00 pm'''&lt;br /&gt;
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Hey everyone, I have a major update. &lt;br /&gt;
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So after my meeting with the supplier, who I sweet talked into giving me a discounted rate, I met up with Suchin for drinks. Let me just say Tomboys and Tomgirls, the photos do not do her justice, she looks absolutely incredible. She gave me some great tips on keeping my pedicures lasting longer, we talked about every subject imaginable, and I hope she doesn't mind me saying this, but I am totally crushing on her right now, and cannot wait to see her again. The drive home from Richmond felt like nothing because of how happy I am right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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Plus I'll always have this picture to remember our incredible night by.&lt;br /&gt;
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Tippy&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by William » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:33 pm'''&lt;br /&gt;
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Yes, it very true ! Tippy you steal my heart and not ever let go! I am happy this way. I love sharing all my pretty lingerie with Tippy and I teach my new Tomgirl how to do Thai lap dance. We are so sensual and one. Tippy and I are item now!! NO TOUCHING! Thank you TBS and TGS of Virgina! &amp;lt;3 xoxo|William&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Tippy » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:40 pm'''&lt;br /&gt;
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Suchin, you catty gal, I thought you were gonna let me announce to the forum that we were an item. It's ok, I still love you. And I can't wait until the next time we're together so I can give you that massage while you play your video games. I've never felt this happy, like this may be the greatest day of my entire life. I've met a lot of girls in my life, but Suchin, you are my woman, my strong, masculine, tomboy woman. I can't wait to see you next weekend, I've already talked to my boss, and I'm getting Friday off so we can spend the whole day together.&lt;br /&gt;
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I never thought I'd be able to find love on an internet forum, and here we are, happy as can be. Thank you Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virgina, I hope the rest of you find your Tomboys and Tomgirls soon.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sun Jun 12, 2011 4:10 am&lt;br /&gt;
It looks like I stand corrected of my suspicions. But with my past experiences, and the too great number of crazy people in the world, we all have to be very cautious. And with that, I apologize for my earlier post and hurting your feelings, Suchin.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;tomboy looking 4 tomgirl&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: Manicure/Pedicure stories?===&lt;br /&gt;
Chris delivers an enthralling account of his fingernail growth.&lt;br /&gt;
{{quotebox|I have colored my nails before, and it is fun to do for a grand outting.&lt;br /&gt;
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I feel it ill for me to go in for a manicure, not only due to lack of funds, but I am a recovering nail-biter. I even had to have a fingernail replaced in surgery years ago; it is growing in well, even though slower than the other nine.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;[http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=37&amp;amp;p=312#p312]&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; (Dead link as of January 2015)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Re: Mothers===&lt;br /&gt;
In which Chris nonchalantly claims that there should be laws enforced to tailor to his personal insecurities.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|June 8, 2011&lt;br /&gt;
My mother has tried to coerce me into going back to [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|briefs]]; Hells No! Panties are far more comfortable And stylish. And I am not going to ever go out without one of my [[muscle bra|sports bras]] again. She even tried to bribe, or wager, me, but I would not take it.&lt;br /&gt;
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I feel there should be a law requiring all men to wear bras (sports ones at least); I feel grossed out whenever I see some dude walking sround shirtless. ]:(P&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;s&amp;gt;[http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&amp;amp;t=39&amp;amp;p=315#p315]&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; (Dead link as of January 2015)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Friendship Issues===&lt;br /&gt;
As with most things Chris writes that are longer than one sentence, his initial post heavily concerns his hatred of men. It then devolves into an argument between Chris and a couple of forum users about his bad attitude when it comes to online socializing.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Fri Jun 17, 2011 2:05 am&lt;br /&gt;
I'd like to talk a bit about those of us (well, me in particular) who have for real only less than or equal to a handful of friends in person.&lt;br /&gt;
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Growing up, I have had mostly [[gal-pals|female friends]]. I was considerably blessed, yet I still lack the virgin-breaker moment. The close friendships were great, and I really appreciated them in my heart forever. I really should have tried to get further, but before 21, I was [[naive]] on the subject of dating. There Really should be a manditory [[dating education]] class alongside sex ed.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have known all of my life that I do get along better with women well over those of my own gender. No personal offense to anyone.&lt;br /&gt;
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I have a mental flaw, along with other learnings, which has taught me that most of the worldwide male poulation are, pretty much, Uncaring, Violent, Ignorant, Dumb, Boring Jerks. And with that, I feel afraid in meeting most males, because I feel ill of getting too close, because of me getting hurt, or something else god-awful. ]:(&lt;br /&gt;
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Again, no personal offense is meant to anyone.&lt;br /&gt;
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My gal pal has informed me that me meeting more women and getting it on is very unlikely if I do not have many dude pals. Nutshell; I would be mistaken for a homo, or too easily [[friend zone|friend-zoned]] by women. This tid bit makes me feel sad.&lt;br /&gt;
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Open for individual responses from Everyone on this forum.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110722211758/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&amp;amp;t=48&amp;amp;p=405] (Archive from 22 July 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by BornThisWay » Sun Jun 19, 2011 12:24 am'''&lt;br /&gt;
Aww, that sux!!!! Anyway I met most of my friends back in high school, or college, or at my past jobs. Sometimes it's hard to keep in touch with everybody but that's why the [[Internet]] and phones were invented! A lot of the friends I hang out with now were from my last job. We'd go out for drinks every Thursday, Friday and Saturday and have the grandest of times! Sometimes I still meet up with them, but not every week like I used to.&lt;br /&gt;
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As for meeting people, I've never really thought about it because I'm not a really shy person. I guess if you strike up conversations based on stuff you like or stuff you notice about them, that's a good start. It's real easy to sit in your room all day and play video games but you just have to talk to people and get out there. Sometimes I'll just go out all by myself and sit someplace nice and quiet and read. If you look cute sometimes people come up and introduce themselves!&lt;br /&gt;
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But anyway if you haven't done it already you should get on [[Facebook]] and try to find your old friends and tell them what you've been up to since you've last seen them! It's a really easy way to keep in touch with people especially since a lot of people move away right after high school or college. Facebook is like a high school reunion that never ends! (Sorry if I sound like a commercial!) Plus if there's anyone who still lives in Virginia maybe they can introduce you to some of their single friends! Just be yourself and let us know what they say, ok?|BornThisWay&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Tue Jun 21, 2011 1:55 am&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;quot;Social&amp;quot; websites like Facebook and [[MySpace]] are ALL a Joke against socializing. Everybody is on the internet these days. And to Socialize online with total strangers Constantly is an epic fail. That kind of &amp;quot;socializing&amp;quot; on the internet will only result in making people more and more Autistic-Like. Think about it.&lt;br /&gt;
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The more time we spend in front of an internet screen leads to constant lack of practice in REAL Socializing face to face offline.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Mike Love » Tue Jun 21, 2011 5:23 am'''&lt;br /&gt;
I like Facebook. There's a lot of people I don't nescesarilly talk to a lot, but I like to be able to keep up with what they're doing. Plus it makes it easier to keep track of people's phone numbers. Plus, I know a lot of cute girls, and I like to look at their photos a lot and get ideas on new outfits to wear.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Tue Jun 21, 2011 8:16 pm&lt;br /&gt;
Just a gosh-darn minute. People Pretend to be Other People online, even Computers have been Programmed to pretend to be People to tease and get personal information from you. And Trolls/Cyber-Bullies Hack into YOUR Facebook and MySpace, rearranging, smearing, soiling with pornographic, most horrible images from the darkest regions of the internet. And they create [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|wiki]] [[CWCki|sites]] and pages of Hate against you soo horrible that Googling your own name results in MILLIONS of hate-filled results.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by BornThisWay » Tue Jun 21, 2011 11:53 pm'''&lt;br /&gt;
Like I said, it's really, really sad that you're putting your fears in the way of getting in touch with your old friends and establishing new friendships. I'll bet your old friends think about you sometimes and miss you. And like it or not, people use social networking sites to contact people they know in real life to do things in real life. This is the way things are now.&lt;br /&gt;
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I don't get how somebody who has enough courage to dress up in women's clothing and walk around in public and use the girl's bathroom can be so afraid of somebody making fun of them on the internet. I mean, who would even know who your old friends are? Why would somebody go through the trouble of impersonating them? And wouldn't you like, be able to figure out if it was somebody pretending to be them? I mean their Facebook profile would link back to all their friends and most of their family members. They'd not only have to fool you, but their parents and relatives, who have known them since they were born. Like, if somebody tried to set up a phony profile and pretended to be me just to hate on me, everybody would know that something was off.&lt;br /&gt;
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So like, you've though about one bad thing that could happen if you tried to look up old friends on Facebook, and just assumed that it will happen. And you said you're afraid of getting to close to males in real life, because you think something bad might happen. It's really easy to worry and make up excuses about why you can't do things, but just know that if you do that anxiety is going to rule your life.&lt;br /&gt;
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Like I said you believe in yourself enough to admit that you're a Tomgirl and get out there and strut your stuff. Some Tomgirls don't even get that far! Think about how much you've already accomplished before deciding what you can and can't do. You're your own boss and I can't make you do anything, I'm just saying your life would be a lot less lonely if you were open to looking up the old friends you've fallen out of touch with over the years.|BornThisWay&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Tippy » Wed Jun 22, 2011 1:31 am'''&lt;br /&gt;
Maybe I've just been lucky and haven't met anyone who has lied to me online. I use facebook to keep in contact with the people I'm close to, they've made it so easy to keep track of my friends, why wouldn't I take advantage of it. As far as having problems with meeting anyone online. I met Suchin here on the forum, and I had no trouble meeting up with her. There are always going to be assholes out there Kooky, but you can show them that they are just haters and you aren't going to listen to them.&lt;br /&gt;
|Tippy&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Thoria » Wed Jun 22, 2011 2:34 am'''&lt;br /&gt;
I just use FB in private mode, that way haters can't see what I'm doing and I only have my closest friends on there.&lt;br /&gt;
|Thoria&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point Chris loses all self-control and does everything short of posting &amp;quot;I am Christian Weston Chandler, I am famous on the internet and trolls pick on me&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Wed Jun 22, 2011 6:18 am&lt;br /&gt;
It's not just THOUGHT, but it HAS happened to me before for real. And if you don't believe, take for example the author of the comic book series featuring that yellow, [[electric hedgehog]]... [[Sonichu]], if I remember correctly.&lt;br /&gt;
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Before a time, the author had a clean history, then Cyber-Bullies and Trolls attacked him greatly; now Googling his name will result in over a million results of hate and name soiling. Especially from the blackmail and deceptions he had to endure.&lt;br /&gt;
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I, myself, had a page on Facebook. Things were good for me a while. Then I was attacked in [[2005]] by the Trolls. They pretended to be my closest friends; they got a number of incriminating photos and details from me. They also hacked into my Facebook. It took me over a week before I was able to reset my password and e-mail address. And upon reflection, I closed my Facebook account and left the online socializing for years. It is real, and they are vicious, crazy, wickedly smart people.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Friendship Issues&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===We've been found AND mocked horribly! :(===&lt;br /&gt;
In which Chris actually says &amp;quot;I am Christian Weston Chandler, I am famous on the internet and trolls pick on me&amp;quot;. He also tries to incite the forum into hacking the [[CWCki]] for him.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:45 pm&lt;br /&gt;
Google and go to the hate-site, the &amp;quot;Cwcki&amp;quot;. They're making distasteful mockery of this forum right now.&lt;br /&gt;
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Those Trolls MUST be taken down NOW!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Tomboy » Thu Jul 21, 2011 3:51 pm&lt;br /&gt;
Not to worry! My friend Arthur who is very internet-savvy and runs a very successful website told me of a great strategy to deal with cyberbullies like this. The first thing is to send a very sternly worded letter to their ISP and complain of copyright infringement which they have done if they have used any graphics or images from our forum. The second step is to perform what is called a &amp;quot;Denial of Service&amp;quot; or DOS attack which would mean all of us going to their website throughout the day and clicking on links to eat up their bandwidth. He said he used this strategy very successfully just a couple of weeks ago.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:50 pm &lt;br /&gt;
This Arthur has a good idea with this &amp;quot;[[wikipedia:Denial-of-service attack|DOS]]&amp;quot;. He certainly knows more than I have on taking down their Trolling Stupid websites.&lt;br /&gt;
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My Tomgirl and Tomboy acquaintances, I feel it is time I introduce myself better. I am more than just a Tomgirl. I am the high-functioning autistic person who was heavily emotionally damaged, artistic inspiration lost with paranoia, deception, blackmail and plain hurtful words from those bottom-feeding Trolls. I am the hand-drawing original creator of Sonichu, Rosechu and the city of Cwcville, Virginia, USA.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am Christian Weston Chandler of Ruckersville, VA.&lt;br /&gt;
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I had joined this Forum with the opportunity to associate with my own misunderstood kind of people, commonly mistaken for amongst the gays and lesbians. I concealed my identity on here reasonably, prayfully Not to be found by those Trolls.&lt;br /&gt;
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For Years, I have fallen victim to their trachery. I have tried within my own limited knowledge and technology to counter-attack those fiends. I have mostly failed. And as a result, my reputation on the internet fell deep into their treacherous exaggerations, lies and crap. If I had any knowledge or technology, I would have hacked into and destroy every one of their webpages, servers and whatnot looong ago, but I did and still do not. All I could do in the end was hide in the old-fashioned (as it would appear to be now) world of Real Life, off of the internet. Yet I am one who does not like to be left behind in the modern world.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, because of them, it has been Impossible for me to get a job; damned negative background checks. And I would appreciate reducing the results of my full name from over Two Freaking Million results back down to less than 100.&lt;br /&gt;
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Now that they have found me on here, y'all have been dragged into my darkness; for that, I feel deep shame and regret, and I am really sorry about that.&lt;br /&gt;
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I am Not the disgruntled, mean or perverted person they have mislabeled of me; I am only a normal, heterosexual, good natured, high-functioning autistic Tomgirl, and I want to be treated like a normal person.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I wish I do not have to be paranoid of those fiends and their hurtful webpages.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;found out page 2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110804190802/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;amp;t=57&amp;amp;start=10] (Archive from 4 Aug 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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One of it's members, who is actually Thorg in disguise, offers Chris a help from her &amp;quot;cousin&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by Thoria »  Thu Jul 21, 2011 11:22 pm'''&lt;br /&gt;
Well Chris, you won't have to worry about this &amp;quot;CWCki&amp;quot; for much longer. Trust me on that, we'll take care of it. I have a cousin who's into computers and stuff, he took a Computer Science III course. I'll give him a shout and see if he can do something. If I were those trolls I'd be shivering in my boots right now.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;found out page 2&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris demonstrates a feeling resembling gratitude, but also seems to be preparing himself to sit down and wait for a solution to come to him.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sat Jul 23, 2011 1:41 am &lt;br /&gt;
Thank you. Any help in this old battle to finally put it to rest would bebgreatly appreciated.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Chris and religion|God bless us all]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;found out page 3&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[http://web.archive.org/web/20110804190910/http://tomboytomgirls.44.forumer.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&amp;amp;t=57&amp;amp;start=20] (Archive from 4 Aug 2011)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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One of them quickly catches up, however:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by SexBomb33 » Sat Jul 23, 2011 2:42 am''' &lt;br /&gt;
Aren't you going to help us fight ''your'' battle in any way?&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;found out page 3&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Thu Jul 28, 2011 11:57 pm &lt;br /&gt;
As I have said before, I have tried on my own to counter-attack, and I still lack knowledge and resourses within my reach to counter-attack properly. And I do not have a functional Personal Computer or a Laptop of any kind. I have been posting from my 3DS internet browser, and it, my Wii, PS3, PSP at my house and one of the computers at the nearby library, which requires Gasoline to get to, are my current ONLY connection methods to the internet.&lt;br /&gt;
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At this point, technology-wise and mentally autistic with the missing links in my Corpus Callosum, I do not feel fit to be an adaquate leader in taking down the frigging cyber-bullies and trolls.&lt;br /&gt;
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I do have intel from my own experiences and past research which hopefully can be helpful. I'd recommend starting at [[The GAMe PLACe|the Game &amp;amp; Hobby Place]] in Charlottesville, across from the Omni hotel. I have been banned from there in April, [[2008]] by the [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|cold-hearted]] [[Michael Snyder]]. My family and I know that in a great way, that Place IS a central or focal point of the Trolls' plottings and/or such.&lt;br /&gt;
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PLUS, it AND the other three associated hobby stores on their same website are ALL owned by a convicted-in-Illinois sex offender, Robert Lightfire. The Place is located across the street from a Public School; morally and legally, the Place should NOT be located there at all. Yet Mr. Lightburn is listed as an Offender in Illinois; he isn't listed in VA. He lives in Madison. I am positive, aside from him being married, Mr. Snyder has his own equatable criminal scandal.&lt;br /&gt;
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That's all I have for now.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;found out page 3&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris will be helped by TRUE and HONEST people in this fight. As in, they will do it for him if he can help (i.e., never)&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|'''by DanielleTheRiveter » Fri Jul 29, 2011 1:21 am'''&lt;br /&gt;
Don't worry about it, Chris. I'm sure Thoria's cousin can help you out. He's been good to me in the past I'm sure that he's an Honest and Helpful fellow. &lt;br /&gt;
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I'm sure that you'll be free of those trolls soon and I'm glad that you've trusted us with this. You're a good friend. Thoria's cousin has enough tech ability. He can walk you through it as long as you have the intel and can help him out a little bit.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;found out page 3&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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As revealed by the [[Thorg Q&amp;amp;A]] Chris bought in by one of his personas offer to help him by asking her supposed cousin (in reality, Thorg himself) to help him unmask the identity of his trolls, It is also very likely that these new, oh-so-helpful &amp;quot;friends&amp;quot; provided the impetus for the [[Calling Out]] Saga, which produced its first video just one week later, in which he began calling out the supposed identities of the trolls.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Sonichu Girls]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Tomgirl Pictures]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Trollin' Train]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{CallingOutSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{The Internet}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Homos]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Trolling]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Websites]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<title>Post-jail sightings (2023)</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Game Junkies */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{protip|We once again advise you to ''never ever'' directly engage with Chris nor attempt to get him [[banned]] from the places he's been to. On the off-chance that you cross paths with Chris, the absolute ''most'' that you should do is [[Passive observers|get some kind of documentation of Chris]], [[Unholy Tetrad|but never to directly engage with him]]; otherwise, it is best to leave Chris alone. To put it more bluntly: ''DO NOT'' attempt to stalk Chris upon seeing him, and ''NEVER'' speak to Chris in ''ANY'' way, shape, or form, or to anyone at his current place of residence. [[Megan Schroeder|You]] [[BlueSpike|do]] ''[[A-Logging|NOT]]'' [[Idea Guys#Removal from power|want]] [[Michael Hirtes|to]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|be]] [[Jacob Sockness|a part]] [[Affair with Mother|of Christory]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Chris sightings in May 2023.png|thumb|A map of all Chris sightings in May 2023. (''Note: this map has the wrong Walmart labeled. The Walmart where Chris was spotted is further south, just off of US Route 360.'')]]&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:PeenWeen.png|thumb|As foreseen, a mean keen [[Weening|ween]] by the name of [[Pickle|Peen]] seen looking for [[Transgender|Christine]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On 27 [[March 2023]], [[Chris]] was [[Jail Saga#Bonded out or Released by court order|released from jail]], with the only explanation being ''&amp;quot;released by court order&amp;quot;''. Beginning on 1 [[May 2023]], '''sightings of Chris''' were reported in various places around {{w|Chesterfield County, Virginia}}. From [[June 2023|June]] onwards, Chris has been spotted in a number of locations around the state of Virginia, including {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia|Williamsburg}}, {{w|Lynchburg, Virginia|Lynchburg}}, {{w|Bedford, Virginia|Bedford}} and [[Ruckersville]]. To date, there has been no confirmation of where Chris is living or what he has been doing in these different cities.&lt;br /&gt;
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Most of the sightings are initially posted to the [[r/ChrisChanSonichu|r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit]] or to [[Twitter]]. Most sightings to date have involved Chris either shopping or playing [[card games|trading card games]] at game stores. As of [[August 2023|August]], it has been confirmed that Chris once again has his [[Son-Chu|own car]]. On several occasions, Chris was seen accompanied by an unknown woman, which has led to speculation that she might be his newest [[sweetheart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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This period of time has gone through a number of name changes, with it being referred to as '''The Chase''' (in reference to the ''Doctor Who'' serial) from May 1-6. However, people felt that calling it &amp;quot;The Chase&amp;quot; would encourage [[weens]] to actually 'chase' Chris, so from May 7-August 17 it was called the '''Post-Jail Saga'''. Eventually, CWCki users agreed to rename it to the '''Third Exile'''.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walmart (May)==&lt;br /&gt;
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On 1 [[May 2023]], Chris was spotted shopping at a [[Walmart]] in {{w|Midlothian, VA|Midlothian}}, Virginia, a western suburb of Richmond in Chesterfield County.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the same day, a Reddit user called DarylMcGoofyGuy posted a thread with a photo of Chris, claiming that a friend had sent the picture.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1350b35/chris_sighting_at_a_walmart_a_friend_sent_me_this/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; On Twitter, more photos were posted by an account named Speedymctweet, again claiming a friend had sent them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/Speedymctweet/status/1653131783897063425&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In the photos, Chris's [[hair]] has returned to its natural brown color, and he also appears thinner, congruent with his last mugshot. He also has a [[medallion|Sonichu medallion]], most likely a [[Medallions#Mark V|Mark V]] version.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:CWC-Walmart-20230501 - 1.png|Photo uploaded by both DarylMcGoofyGuy and Speedymctweet, of Chris putting something in or taking something out of his cart. &lt;br /&gt;
File:CWC-Walmart-20230501 - 2.png|2nd photo uploaded by Speedymctweet, of Chris shopping.&lt;br /&gt;
File:CWC-Walmart-20230501 - 3.jpg|3rd photo uploaded by Speedymctweet, of Chris looking at what could be a shopping list.&lt;br /&gt;
File:CWC-Walmart-20230501 - 4.jpg|4th photo uploaded by Speedymctweet, of Chris in the Entertainment section.&lt;br /&gt;
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Another Reddit user, Alternative_Roof1940, subsequently posted photos of Chris from the security cameras at the Walmart.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1350yv5/chris_chan_at_my_local_walmart_not_a_drill/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Image:Midlothian_CCTV.png|Chris on CCTV&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Chris_Near_Checkout.jpg|Shot of Chris near the checkout&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video===&lt;br /&gt;
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Alternative_Roof1940 also uploaded a brief video clip of Chris walking away outside of the store.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Infobox/video&lt;br /&gt;
| name           = May 1, 2023&lt;br /&gt;
| video          = {{#ev:youtube|tvvdJrpYbu8}}&lt;br /&gt;
| stardate       = 1 [[May 2023]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga        = [[Image:TheChaseicon.png]] [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|Post-Jail]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga        = [[Incest Arrest#Video|The Arrest]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga        = &lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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He also claimed:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/user/Alternative_Roof1940/comments/ ([https://archive.fo/oVp8W archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|Chris approached the electronic department asking for a flash drive and also ended up buying a [[Nintendo Switch|switch]] (yes......again). The second photo is from the electronics when he was asking}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|There was a large black van chris got into about 8 stores down driven by a large black woman. I didn't take any photos of the vehicle for the sake of the woman driving}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|No, there was no group. Chris was alone the entire time up until chris got into the car with 1 single person parked 8 stores away}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The address of the Walmart was not revealed by any of the observers, but the exterior view shown in Alternative_Roof1940's video indicates that it is located at 14501 Hancock Village Street. This location happens to be 10 miles (16 km) by road from the main campus of [[Gateway Homes]], lending support to the hypothesis that Chris is residing there. One of the rules of Gateway Homes states “No registered sex offenders or individuals who have committed a sexual offense will be considered”,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://gatewayhomes.org/admissions-eligibility/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; although Chris is not a registered offender and has not been formally convicted of [[incest]], making it unclear if his charge poses an issue for admission. Without confirmation, we cannot say for sure where Chris is residing. Coincidentally, the Walmart is only 4 miles (6 km) from [[Manchester High School]], which Chris attended from 1996 to 2000.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Battlegrounds==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Gamestore2023.jpg|thumb|200px|[[:File:Chrischannov2007.jpg|Nothing has changed]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On 2 May 2023, Chris was spotted playing cards at the game store Battlegrounds, also in Midlothian, around 11 miles north of Walmart he was shopping on May 1st and a half hour drive from his speculated Gateway Homes. The photo was posted by Euclid_Class_Object to Reddit on the same day presumably. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1366xdf/chris_spotted_in_a_local_game_shop/#&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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Euclid Class Object sourced the photo from a member of the &amp;quot;Zodiac Duelist&amp;quot; Yu-Gi-Oh Facebook group.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;!-- Administrators of the Facebook group suggested the member tell the Battlegrounds [[Manajerks|management]] about Chris's situation in an attempt to [[ban]] him. &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Chris_potentially_banned_from_Battlegrounds.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|Forgot to say. An admin from the FB group suggested that OP should tell the store owners about Chris-Chan's situation so they might get banned from the store lol}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On the 5th, Battlegrounds set their Facebook store page to private, most likely due to [[Weening|ween]] activity.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris was wearing the same [[Medallions#Mark V|Mark V medallion]] he was wearing in the Walmart photos.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chesterfield Towne Center==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Chrischan-seen-in-public-v0-f7l8pasp6qxa1.png|thumb|left|200px|CWCfoot]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 May 2023, for the third time in a row, Chris was spotted outside a [[wikipedia:Donatos Pizza|Donatos Pizza]] at [[wikipedia:Chesterfield Towne Center|Chesterfield Towne Center]] in Chesterfield County, about 16 miles (25 km) north of the speculated Gateway Homes and over 2 miles (4 km) east of Battlegrounds. The photo was posted to Reddit by Pure_Lingonberry_677, who also claims his friend took the photo &amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/13703h9/chrischan_seen_in_public/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This was the first sighting where Chris was aware that he was being photographed. Chris appeared to be put off and even nervous, something uncharacteristic of him before the Jail Saga, though Chris could just be caught off-guard. &lt;br /&gt;
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Also, the Sonichu medallion itself somehow turned its face towards the camera; whether this was due to Chris [[Sonichu's Edge|moving fast enough for the medallion]] [[Obesity|to bounce naturally off of Chris]], or that [[Magical thinking|the medallion itself is possessed by the same forces]] set to bring about the [[Dimensional Merge]] is uncertain.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Earthbound Trading Company==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:CWC sighting 5-27-23.png|thumb|right|200px|Chris, [[Chris and fashion|fitting in]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 May 2023 a reddit user called sagehazes who works as a cashier mentioned in a comment on the Chesterfield Towne Center sighting thread that they had rung Chris up at the store where they work:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|came into my store and signed the receipt &amp;quot;sonichu&amp;quot;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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At the time sagehazes did not elaborate or provide evidence. &lt;br /&gt;
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On 27 May 2023 sagehazes rang Chris up again, and on 29 May they rang him up a third time. That same day, sagehazes posted a picture of Chris in line at the register and a picture of his [[signature]] on a receipt. While the pictures on Reddit are from the 27 May sighting, sagehazes claims that they also took pictures during the 29 May sighting. It remains to be seen if those will be uploaded as well.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/13v4vtx/sighting_signature/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the thread, sagehazes did not name the store but described it as &amp;quot;a hippie/new age type store&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=sagehazes&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/user/sagehazes/comments/ ([https://archive.fo/2tfaW archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; One Reddit user identified the store as Earthbound Trading Company, a clothing and new-age chain which has a location in Chesterfield Towne Center. Photographs of the mall store on Google Maps show that the store's ceiling matches the ceiling visible in sagehazes' photo.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to sagehazes, Chris had been to the shop at least twice, once near the end of April and again on 27 May. Sagehazes described his purchases as &amp;quot;usually jewelry and crystals&amp;quot; and described Chris as looking relatively normal (by his standards) but emitting an unhealthy odor:&amp;lt;ref name=sagehazes&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|it was definitely funky with a hint of [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|shit]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|pure shit I had to breathe through my mouth very shallowly}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Sagehazes also claimed that Chris was talking to himself while in the store.&amp;lt;ref name=sagehazes&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The woman standing in line behind Chris would also make a statement on twitter regarding her experience.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/14p4qr9/not_sure_how_many_people_saw_this_but_the_girl_in/?utm_source=share&amp;amp;utm_medium=web2x&amp;amp;context=3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://x.com/t1ffy_sprinkles/status/1666978091879522306?s=20&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|Hi so um apparently I was in the background of a Chris chan picture??? Some YouTuber named SmokeyMcC posted it and I was at the mall with some of my friends and we saw him there!! I had no idea it was him and apparently people on reddit are talking about it....}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|He was taking AGES in line though he was trying to find loose change all in his bag. I couldn't really smell him so ig I wasn't close enough or all the essential oils in that store were clogging my nose. Also I have a constant resting bitch face so I might have seemed mad but I really wasn't I was just with my friends at the time so I wasn't paying attention like at all}}&lt;br /&gt;
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One notable change from early May is that Chris's [[hair]] has been dyed a bright teal color. Also conspicuous is the absence of the Sonichu medallion, presumably to avoid recognition by weens. On closer inspection, however, the back of a necklace can be seen on his neck, as well as what looks to be a bump in the shape of the medallion under his clothes, so it is likely he has simply hidden it under his shirt.&lt;br /&gt;
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The signature reads &amp;quot;J. Christ Chan Sonichu&amp;quot;, showing that Chris's [[Messiah_complex#Jesus_Reborn|Jesus delusions]] remain strong after being released from jail.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC signature 5-27-23.png|thumb|center|200px|This is what Chris actually believes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Modern Table Top Gaming==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:May 30 2023 sighting.jpg|thumb|left|200px|[[Affair with Mother|You are what you eat]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
On 30 May 2023, a now-deleted Reddit user Literally-poop spotted Chris playing {{w|Magic: The Gathering}} in an unspecified location and posted a photo of him to r/ChrisChanSonichu the same day.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/13w21ko/sighted_today_playing_mtg//&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Sonichu Medallion is once again presumably hidden under Chris's shirt.&lt;br /&gt;
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User SaleneDreams identified the store as Modern Table Top Gaming in [[wikipedia:Chester, Virginia|Chester]], a community in eastern Chesterfield County.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt; https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/13w21ko/sighted_today_playing_mtg/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Photos of Modern Table Top Gaming on Google Maps confirm that the chairs and table in the store match those in the photo and that the framed picture behind Chris had been blacked out because it prominently displayed the store's name. The store is 15 miles (24 km) east of Gateway Homes.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Williamsburg Premium Outlets==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:CWC-Premium Outlets sighting-June 2023.jpg|200px|thumb|Chris with two [[Gal pal|women]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
On 7 [[June 2023]], Chris was spotted buying [[Restaurants|Ben and Jerry's]] at {{w|Williamsburg Premium Outlets}} in {{w|Williamsburg, Virginia}} with two women, one of whom was in a wheelchair.  On the same day, user CardboardJoJo claimed on r/ChrisChanSonichu that Chris had complimented their dog, initially without any photos and refusing to state where this had happened.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/143jnzv/chris_just_told_me_my_dog_was_very_cute/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;  &lt;br /&gt;
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CardboardJoJo wrote:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|Won’t say where, but similar to where they’ve been sighted in May. Was walking my dog and a person in leggings and a jeans skirt said “That is just the cutest dog!” and I immediately recognized their voice. I was shook and just told them “thank you!” but I feel so blessed.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A few hours later, CardboardJoJo posted a photo of Chris and the women and disclosed the location.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/143osoa/photo_of_chris_from_today_after_the_dog/?utm_source=share&amp;amp;utm_medium=ios_app&amp;amp;utm_name=ioscss&amp;amp;utm_content=2&amp;amp;utm_term=1&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|This was in Williamsburg at the Premium Outlets for those interested in documenting that level of specifics. Didn’t want to post this info at the time in case someone would attempt to go there and make contact. They were on the way to get Ben and Jerry’s ice cream.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the first post-jail sighting of Chris outside of Chesterfield County. The Ben and Jerry's location is about 66 miles (102 km) east of Gateway Homes by road, a drive of more than an hour without traffic.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walmart (July)==&lt;br /&gt;
On 3 [[July 2023]], a member of the [[Official CWCki Server]] posted that a friend had seen Chris at Walmart in Chesterfield County and had taken a photo of Chris looking at a display of G-Fuel drinks. Chris is seen with newly dyed dark blue hair and the photographer noted he (Chris) had his [[medallion]] on.&lt;br /&gt;
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Later that day, the photographer posted to [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]], adding that the Walmart was at Hancock Village St&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/14pxmud/comment/jql80m7/?context=3 ([https://archive.fo/eyCZy archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and also posted a similar photo.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/14q3k6v/alternative_photo/ ([https://archive.fo/eyCZy archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In the high-resolution photo, it can be seen that Chris has a drawing of the [[Neo Spiritual Christianity]] cross clipped to his backpack, seemingly a memento from his jail days as it is done entirely in black and blue pen.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Walmart 3 July 2023 sighting details1.jpg|Photographer's details of the sighting, posted to the Official CWCki Server&lt;br /&gt;
File:Walmart 3 July 2023 sighting details2.jpg|Photographer's details of the sighting, part 2&lt;br /&gt;
File:Walmart 3 Jul 2023 sighting.jpg|First sighting photo&lt;br /&gt;
File:Walmart 3 Jul 2023 sighting2 (cropped).jpg|Second sighting photo, posted to Reddit (cropped due to file size limits on CWCki)&lt;br /&gt;
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{{clear}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Dragon Fire Games==&lt;br /&gt;
On 20 July 2023, a [[4-cent_garbage.com|4chan]] user posted a thread on /b/, uploading a photo of Chris taken from behind. The user commented: &lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|I play Magic The Gathering in central VA. Chris Chan showed up for the first time here. Should I get her number?}} &lt;br /&gt;
When asked &amp;quot;How bad does he stink?&amp;quot; the user answered: &lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|Nothing noticeable. For reference, this was at Dragon Fire Games in Lynchburg, Virginia.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://thebarchive.com/b/thread/902962124/#q902962124&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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A photo taken from another angle, showing Chris's face, was briefly posted in a thread on [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]]. The photo was apparently sourced from an unknown Discord server, but the Reddit thread was quickly deleted by the poster,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/155ay7v/ripped_from_discord/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; although the photo itself was saved.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is the second known sighting of Chris outside of Chesterfield County, and the farthest from the Chesterfield Gateway Homes campus that he has traveled since his apparent transfer - Lynchburg is approximately 108 miles west of the facility by road, a drive of nearly two hours without traffic.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:CWC sighting 20Jul2023 1.jpg ‎&lt;br /&gt;
File:CWC sighting 20Jul2023 2.jpg ‎&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walmart (August)==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Otaku King}}&lt;br /&gt;
On 4 August 2023, Twitter user [[The Otaku King]] posted a video of Chris at what appears to be a Walmart in Lynchburg, writing:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxpurple|Found chris chan (60% sure?) . Cool dude. Talked to him about sonic and shit. Don't seem that bad.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/TheOtakuKing_/status/1687541346955935744&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}} &lt;br /&gt;
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===Video===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox/video&lt;br /&gt;
| name           = The Otaku King's CWC sighting&lt;br /&gt;
| video          = {{#ev:youtube|F6SRKgsbKN4}}&lt;br /&gt;
| stardate       = 4 [[August 2023]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga        = Post-Jail&lt;br /&gt;
| saga        = &lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walmart (August) Part II==&lt;br /&gt;
On 24 August 2023, Chris was spotted at Walmart for the fourth time by DoctorWinchester87, who was initially reluctant to post the photo they took of Chris,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/160fctz/ran_into_chris_today_and_it_was_a_surreal/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; though later posted it a few hours later.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/160jrwp/follow_up_to_my_ran_into_chris_post_heres_the_pic/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:E0qdelsi25kb1.jpg|Chris lookin' for [[Chris and nutrition|grub]].&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|Just wanted to clarify for those who didn't see the original post I made - this occurred in Walmart in Lynchburg, VA this afternoon. I was just walking along and saw him coming down the aisle. I got this picture (which is slightly zoomed in from the original) and a preliminary picture which was really far away and blurry.&lt;br /&gt;
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I did not interact with Chris/Christine other than just walking past and making brief eye contact. I did hear him talking to himself briefly.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==On the road==&lt;br /&gt;
On 25 August 2023, [[Kiwi Farms]] user Right Butt Cheek posted a photo of [[Son-Chu|Chris's car]] from Lynchburg in reply to a post by user Stupidface about the information currently tied to the &amp;quot;SONCIHU&amp;quot; plate (Chris somehow [[Chris and English|misspelled]] &amp;quot;SONICHU&amp;quot; on his own damn license plate). The user also claimed that their friend sent it to them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Soncihu License Plate]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:IMG 8573.jpg|Son-Chu in the flesh.&lt;br /&gt;
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The plate information this was in reply to was the following:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|VIN: KL1TD56646B569111&lt;br /&gt;
2006 Chevrolet Aveo&lt;br /&gt;
Last sold on May 19 2023 for $3,500.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Clear}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==14 Branchland Court==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Home.png|thumb|200px]]&lt;br /&gt;
On 4 [[September 2023]], Reddit user nemo1316 posted a photo of the same car from the Son-Chu sighting parked at [[14 Branchland Court]], indicating that Chris either visited or moved back to Sonichu Headquarters.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/169yv4r/chris_chans_car_sighted_at_sonichu_temple/ ([https://archive.ph/p78r1 archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; [[Barb]] was [[Fan_visits#FaithlessnessSad5791_(AKA_Barb_sighting)|sighted]] at the house on the 25th of August, though it is unknown if she was there at the time of Chris's arrival. The house was [[Fan_visits#Aggravating_Art_%282023%29|reportedly empty]] on the 8th.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Bxn1aghz1amb1.png|Well, ''nuts''. &lt;br /&gt;
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==Food Lion==&lt;br /&gt;
On the same day as the 14 Branchland sighting, Twitter user bndjnky sighted Chris at the {{w|Food Lion}} [[Ruckersville]] location talking with [[Flutter]] at a {{w|Coinstar}} machine.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/bndjnky/status/1698801255978545375&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video===&lt;br /&gt;
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| name           = local chris chan sighting in ruckersville virginia! with a woman?&lt;br /&gt;
| video          = {{#ev:youtube|Luc8yT1g--U}}&lt;br /&gt;
| stardate       = 4 [[September 2023]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga           = &lt;br /&gt;
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This was the first time Chris was recorded speaking since his release.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sheetz/On the road Part II==&lt;br /&gt;
On 9 September 2023, Discord user DooDoo fard2874 posted on the [[Official CWCki Server]] that he had found Chris on the road from Lynchburg and followed him all the way to a [[Sheetz]] convenience store in [[Charlottesville]]. He apparently ran after Chris, though Chris (thankfully) pulled out of the parking lot and drove off before he could reach him, driving away from Charlottesville with the same woman from the Food Lion sighting. He provided four photos and a video with no audio, along with the following account:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Image (17).png|1]] [[:File:Image_(22).png|2]] [[:File:Image (18).png|3]] [[:File:Image (19).png|4]] [[:File:Image_(20).png|5]] [[:File:Image (21).png|6]] ''(note: DooDoo fard2874 deleted some of his messages before they could be screenshotted)''&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|I saw him, we followed him. at an intersection I ran up to him and yelled their name. We followed him to a Sheetz and he pulled into the parking lot. I ran after him and he pulled out of the lot and [[For Julie's Eyes Only|I yelled]] &amp;quot;CHRIS CHAN WE LOVE YOU&amp;quot; then he went out on the highway and we lost him.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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DooDoo fard2874 also reportedly took a photo ''of'' Chris, though it appears to have been lost. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Video===&lt;br /&gt;
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| name           = DooDoo fard2874 Chris Chan Stalking Video&lt;br /&gt;
| video          = {{#ev:youtube|WF0BpjwFsao}}&lt;br /&gt;
| stardate       = 9 [[September 2023]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga           = &lt;br /&gt;
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DooDoo fard2874 is most definitely a [[ween]], and not a keen one either. DooDoo fard2874 was [[banned]] from the server shortly after he posted about his &amp;lt;s&amp;gt;sighting&amp;lt;/s&amp;gt; chase, and fellow CWCki server members found that his [[Facebook]] account was linked to his Discord account. DooDoo fard2874 promptly deleted his Discord account and privated his Facebook.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walmart (September)==&lt;br /&gt;
On the 16th, Chris was again spotted with [[Flutter]], who was first seen with Chris at Food Lion, at a Walmart in {{w|Bedford, VA}} a town not far away from Lynchburg. A poster on [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]] posted that a friend had photographed Chris and taken a video.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16kdgij/my_friend_met_chris_chan_at_a_walmart_holy_shit/ ([https://archive.ph/nWCWk archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:CWC-Walmart-2023-09-16 (cropped).jpg|{{w|Austin Powers (character)|''Groovy, baby!''}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's cart contains two yoga mats and LED strips. It also has food such as tomatoes, peanuts, peanut butter, and whipped topping. He is wearing a ''[[My Little Pony]]'' shirt and seems to have the [[medallion]] on underneath his shirt.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Video===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox/video&lt;br /&gt;
| name           = Chris leaving Walmart&lt;br /&gt;
| video          = {{#ev:youtube|FTVkoT8KWhY}}&lt;br /&gt;
| stardate       = 16 [[September 2023]]&lt;br /&gt;
| saga           =&lt;br /&gt;
| previous       = [[Incest_Arrest#Video|The Arrest]]&lt;br /&gt;
| next           = [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Undisclosed parking lot==&lt;br /&gt;
On the 19th, Chris was sighted with Son-Chu in a currently undisclosed parking lot near Bedford by Reddit user battychaosgoblin and boyfriend.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16n3enm/chrischan_spotted_and_spoke_to_us/k1chtse/?context=3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris briefly remarked on an [[South Park|Eric Cartman]] plush they had with them.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16n3enm/chrischan_spotted_and_spoke_to_us/ ([https://archive.ph/XFB7T archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; battychaosgoblin described Chris as being &amp;quot;very quick and fleeting&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;skiddish&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16n3enm/comment/k1cfj5u/?context=8&amp;amp;depth=9&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16n3enm/comment/k1cdvsv/?context=8&amp;amp;depth=9&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and described the interaction as the following:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|He even spoke to us, a half witted Eric Cartman joke regarding our little Cartman plush we fought to get out of a claw machine.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|Couldn’t even snap a picture before he scampered off into the wilderness so we scoped out his car for photo evidence 💀}}&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Soncihu 19-Sept-23 (reduced size).jpg|Front view of Son-Chu.&lt;br /&gt;
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The joke was apparently a poor impersonation of the ''[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KKJprZqU_oU Respect My Authority!]'' scene from [[South Park]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16n3enm/comment/k1c5nf0/?context=8&amp;amp;depth=9&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When asked if Chris was with &amp;quot;his new gf&amp;quot; (referring to the woman from the Food Lion and Sheetz sightings, which was speculated to be a [[sweetheart]]), battychaosgoblin provided the following response:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16n3enm/comment/k1c5kw7/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|No, however I think he went into this undisclosed video game store with her and another individual as stated by someone we know who works there}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==CVS==&lt;br /&gt;
On the 17th, CVS employee and Reddit user justcuriousox claimed to have seen Chris at the CVS in Lynchburg and alleged the following (in reference to Chris and the woman companion (now known to be [[Flutter]]) who was first seen with him at Food Lion):&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16l24r8/comment/k1hpwh6/?context=8&amp;amp;depth=9&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|she was all over that woman. Just kept touching her and had her hand on the back almost the whole time.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When asked for photo proof, justcuriousox posted a thread on the 20th, uploading two photos of Chris and the woman together, clarifying in a comment that the photos were of &amp;quot;Chris hugging the mystery girl close. Then him kissing mystery girl.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:CWC CVS 17-Sept-2023 1.jpg|Oh...&lt;br /&gt;
File:CWC CVS 17-Sept-2023 2.jpg|'''''man...'''''&lt;br /&gt;
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Justcuriousox claimed other details, such as that &amp;quot;[[Megan_Schroeder#Megan_Saga|she seemed uncomfortable and kept her head down mostly]]&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16o044p/totally_not_a_nurse_case_worker/k1hrr7n/?context=3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; that Chris &amp;quot;seemed like he was kind of leading the shopping trip. He also was very close to her at all times. Co-Worker asked if they needed help Chris made sure to step so that he was between my Co-Worker and the girl&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16o044p/totally_not_a_nurse_case_worker/k1i2hxu/?context=3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and that the woman paid.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16o044p/totally_not_a_nurse_case_worker/k1i3k13/?context=3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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At least we have some potential confirmation he isn't fucking [[Barb|his mother]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==River Ridge Mall==&lt;br /&gt;
On 1 [[October 2023]], Chris was sighted by Reddit user merrymarigold at River Ridge Mall&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.lynchburgvirginia.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Food-Hall-2021-WEB-102-1024x1004.jpg)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; in Lynchburg, accompanied by the same woman he was seen with throughout September. This sighting, shared 6 days later, provided us with our first clear photo of the woman's face.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/172c59y/chris_and_girlfriend_in_lynchburg_va_oct_1st/ ([https://archive.ph/lxvP6 archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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When asked how old the woman looks in real life, merrymarigold replied:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/172c59y/comment/k462buc/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|My guess is probably in her 20's or maybe early 30s. I think her round face, hairstyle, and even the clothes make her seem younger.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Game Junkies==&lt;br /&gt;
On 3 October 2023, Chris was sighted at the Game Junkies store in Roanoke. According to chemicalreligion, the redditor who posted the sighting, he purchased a ''[[Guitar Hero]] III'' controller.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16z5xox/chrischan_sighting_in_roanoke_va/ ([https://archive.ph/5rHF7 archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chemicalreligion also claimed to have engaged in conversation with Chris, that Chris did not have body odor,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16z5xox/chrischan_sighting_in_roanoke_va/k3crnc9/?context=3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and that the [[Flutter|woman]] who had been seen with Chris throughout September was waiting in the car.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/16z5xox/chrischan_sighting_in_roanoke_va/k3dduoi/?context=3&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walmart (October)==&lt;br /&gt;
On 24 October, Chris was spotted by u/Swizguard&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/u/Swizguard/s/sts2t4Upyi&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;in a Walmart in Lynchburg&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/s/GHdWqcMW9t&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Chris's cart contains a large box of Philly Steak and Cheese Hot Pockets, four frozen Salisbury Steak meals from Banquet, four frozen Sweet and Sour Chicken meals from Banquet, a bag of frozen ravioli, what appears to be a bag of frozen french fries, and what appears to be a box of Eggo waffles. Chris himself is carrying what seems to be a sandwich wrap. He is also seen alone for the first time in a while.&lt;br /&gt;
This sighting comes from Lynchburg, where he was seen quite often, but is also where [[Flutter]] supposedly lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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==14 Branchland Court (November)==&lt;br /&gt;
On 7 November, Chris was allegedly spotted by u/Taxistheft98 at [[14 Branchland Court]], moving boxes into [[Son-chu|his car]]. u/Taxistheft98 also saw [[Barbara]] at the door, and may have heard [[Clover]]. The redditor also claimed to have had a chat with Chris, who talked about residing in [[Lynchburg, VA]] and having taken Barbara shopping earlier that day.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/17q65wn/believe_it_or_not/ ([https://archive.fo/9YtAG archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|I met Christine today. I was working around 15 minutes away from Branchland, so I stopped by to reminisce. Lo and behold, the new Soncihu car was there. I shit my pants in disbelief when Christine stepped out of the house with boxes to bring to the car. I got out, introduced myself, and made assurances that I would not take pictures. We had a 10 minute or so kind of awkward, but pleasant conversation. It was confirmed that Lynchburg is the new place of residence, but no other specifics were offered. Barb is still around and doing ok. It turns out that Christine was just grabbing some belongings, and took Barb shopping earlier in the day. I did see Barb at the door, and heard the bark/howl of an old beagle that I’ve heard so many times before. There were no mentions of sonichu/rosechu, but we did briefly talk about the new Sonic Lego sets. Manifesting was brought up, and I was blessed, and we shook hands before I left. Overall Christine seemed a little nervous, but maybe happy to have a normal/friendly conversation. I took no pictures as I knew if I did, the conversation would be over, so you just have my word here. I am still in disbelief over it all.&lt;br /&gt;
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Oh, and the [[medallion]] was being worn!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In a later livestream, Chris responded to a superchat who talked about having met him; Chris reciprocated that it had been nice to meet too.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Simple Existential Q&amp;amp;A]] at 9:49&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; u/Taxistheft98 claimed to be the one behind the superchat.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/17sjaz6/chris_seemingly_took_barb_shopping_recently/ ([https://archive.fo/ZVjiy archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Walmart (November)==&lt;br /&gt;
On 24 November, Chris was spotted by u/Taxistheft98 at a [[Walmart]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]]. In a photo, taken through the Redditor's windshield, Chris is seen putting his shopping bags away into his car.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1830k69/christine_at_a_walmart_in_lynchburg_va/ ([https://archive.fo/lOpfP archive])&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Post-jail online sightings==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Helena_Fiorenza#Post-jail]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[HEXBox#He likes it for real now]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[PlayStation_consoles#PS5]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[DeviantART#Post-jail]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Twitter#Post-jail_activity]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[PlayStation Network#Post-jail activity]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Pokémon GO#Post-jail]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Nintendo#Nintendo Switch]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==Fan art==&lt;br /&gt;
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Image:CWC 2023.jpeg|Artist's depiction of Chris on the run&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Return of CWC.jpeg|''{{w|Without Me (Eminem song)|Guess who's back...}}''&lt;br /&gt;
Image:82ic0u6ubrxa1.png|Caught!&lt;br /&gt;
Image:TxyeB1ql.png|The rise of Ween-Mart&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Ydow809ej5ya1.png|Artist's depiction of the CWCfoot sighting&lt;br /&gt;
Image:CWC-EdBoySenpai (photoshopped).png|😱&lt;br /&gt;
Image:R2srik08dcya1.jpg|CWCptid hunting&lt;br /&gt;
Image:84n46ojaqlya1.png|What some expect to happen upon getting a photo of Chris&lt;br /&gt;
Image:S5dnd9h3lfza1.png|The meeting of the century&lt;br /&gt;
Image:U8l5no8vjv0b1.png|The Adversary&lt;br /&gt;
Image:L5p2e32akw2b1.png|Among the living&lt;br /&gt;
Image:54wbwuxy383b1.png|The duality of '''WO'''man&lt;br /&gt;
Image:D9hrx3bqyn4b1.jpg|The hat origin story &lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
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===Files on Chris's incest charge===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jail Saga#Court proceedings (J&amp;amp;DR Court)]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Jail Saga#Court proceedings (Circuit Court)]]&lt;br /&gt;
===Post-release 14 Branchland Court fan visits===&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Fan visits#DATSJUSTWATINEED2BUS]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Fan visits#Anonymous Facebook Member]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Fan visits#FaithlessnessSad5791 (AKA Barb sighting)]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Fan visits#Aggravating Art (2023)]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ThirdExile}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{The Internet}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2023]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<title>Praetor</title>
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		<updated>2023-12-01T03:20:43Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Jail Saga */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Unreliable|type=cred|The members are all infamous attention seekers, and merely got in touch with Chris with the sole intent of piggybacking off his notoriety on the internet.|The members will occasionally say edgy and disgusting things purely for shock value.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right?|Caden Peck&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:PraetorLogo.jpg|400px|thumb|Praetor's logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cadenimagehighquality.png|300px|thumb|Caden Peck, leader of Praetor]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Praetor LLC''' (sometimes referred to as &amp;quot;'''The Praetors'''&amp;quot;) is a group of edgy Gen-Z businesspeople led by '''Caden Michael Peck''' (born 27 September [[2002]]), also known as '''tinyhorse01'''. The group claims to have existed for three years before coming in contact with Chris in [[2020]], working with creative types and supposedly writing a disseration for {{w|Republic of Molossia}}. However, the truth of this is unknown, and the business is known to be incredibly unprofessional.&lt;br /&gt;
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They first came into contact with Chris to produce and sell ''Sonichu'' and CWC themed products on their [[Etsy]] store [[OfficialCWCmart]], with Chris's permission, giving him a cut of the profits in exchange. In mid-December 2020, Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. Praetor has since expanded to other, more bizarre, products, some produced by the group, and others by Chris. Chris's income split for products made by him is unknown. As of [[2023]], they have had more than 3000 sales and have made hundreds of thousands of dollars out of OfficialCWCmart. &lt;br /&gt;
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During the [[Jail Saga]], Chris continued communicating with them, mailing them art from jail, which they added to [[OfficialCWCmart]]. They began coming up with plans to help Chris, one of which included brainstorming a $150,000 fundraiser to buy out [[Barb]] from [[14 Branchland Court]]. Upon Chris's being released from jail, they have become even more involved, as seen in the highly edited new videos and new photos of Chris added to [[OfficialCWCmart]]. In [[November 2023]], evidence hinting at Chris living at a house which Caden is listed as one of two buyers - or at the very least using that house as a studio - emerged on [[Kiwi Farms]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Members==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Praetor_Instagram_tags_copy-min.png|300px|thumb|From left to right, Annie Ikenberry, most likely Cabell, Caden Peck, and Christine Chandler. Not pictured are Owen Sundstrom and [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|In the group, Annie is very much psychically able. Owen is like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs. Cabell is also psychically inclined, but she's the artist. Caden is very open-minded, and the brains and business.|Chris&amp;lt;ref name=naughtdms&amp;gt;[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there have been at least three other people involved in the group, possibly more. Since Chris's arrest in 2021, it is unknown if any of the members besides Caden are still involved with the Praetor brand.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Annibelle Ikenberry===&lt;br /&gt;
'''Annibelle &amp;quot;Annie&amp;quot; Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') is an erocosplayer and OnlyFans camgirl. According to Chris, she is &amp;quot;psychically able&amp;quot;. In a 17 [[February 2021]] discussion with the [[Watchmen]], Chris confessed that he had considered her for a possible relationship.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Lonely feelings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Owen Sundstrom===&lt;br /&gt;
'''Owen Scott Sundstrom''' ('''owen_sundstrom''') is a co-founder of Praetor, according to [[Larry Vaughn]]. He was present at the [[Goochland Library Sermon]], where he was photographed posing with Chris. He also appears to be the photographer who took the picture of Chris and Praetor at the Chinese restaurant. According to Chris, Owen is &amp;quot;like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs&amp;quot;. Owen, along with Caden, suggested a link between the Mayan calendar and Chris's [[The Place chats - Lore Mashup|dream about a golden disc]].&amp;lt;ref name=naughtdms&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cabell===&lt;br /&gt;
'''Cabell''' is described by Chris in the [[Naught DMs]] as &amp;quot;psychically inclined, but she's the artist.&amp;quot; Unlike the other members of Praetor, virtually nothing is known about her. When the [[Incest call]] leaked, there was speculation that Cabell was a nickname for [[Bella]]; however, Chris's mention of Cabell in the DMs predates his earliest interaction with Bella. Cabell is most likely the blonde woman featured in the [[Instagram]] photo of Praetor and Chris at a Chinese restaurant. Initially, Praetor mistagged the blonde woman, linking an unrelated account to her. &lt;br /&gt;
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Given that Chris has referred to Cabell as the artist, it can be assumed that she creates the medallions, as Chris has mentioned that the artist of the group was the one who created them.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Isabella Loretta Janke===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Isabella Loretta Janke}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Isabella &amp;quot;Bella&amp;quot; Loretta Janke''', a troll most infamous for her horrid actions and [[Incest Call|revealing Chris's incestuous affair with his mother]], had relations with Praetor. They commissioned her to animate [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation of Chris and the Sonichu characters, which Chris uploaded to his YouTube channel.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Beginning==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:OGGoldenMedallion.jpg|200px|thumb|The golden medallion Praetor gave to Chris]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Praetor3.jpg|250px|thumb|Chris in a meeting with Caden]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I've always known about Christine. She always struck me as unique in the sense that she is probably one of the most famous people ever who has profited the least from her fame.&lt;br /&gt;
When I heard that she had tried to launch a store before, but been overwhelmed, I knew that there was a chance at profit. I run almost everything I do privately, so I reached out to Christine myself.|Caden&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 21 [[September 2020]], a &amp;quot;trio of fans&amp;quot; came to Chris's door with a golden [[Medallion|Sonichu medallion,]] crafted by &amp;quot;the young lady of the group, with paint that had a mixture of 24K gold in it&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;tall boys&amp;quot; had a business proposition for Chris, that with their mold press, they could mass produce and sell Sonichu medallions.&amp;lt;ref name=placeassociates&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#The &amp;quot;New Associates&amp;quot; (and Helena Hate)|The &amp;quot;New Associates&amp;quot; (and Helena Hate)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris accepted, deeming them as trustworthy, and noted that he had a vision earlier where an artist crafted medallions for him.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|They have their business based in Goochland.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I could tell by soul-reading them that their intentions were legit, honest and true.|Chris&amp;lt;ref name=placeassociates&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 [[September 2020]], Chris made a post on [[The Place]] [[Discord]] server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some &amp;quot;new associates&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=placeassociates&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He mentions that they were going to talk about &amp;quot;the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while.&amp;quot; After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the [[Watchmen]] again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Patreon_Troubles,_Chris's_Online_Social_Life,_%22The_Boys,%22_Praetor_LLC_Revealed|Patreon Troubles, Chris's Online Social Life, The Boys, Praetor LLC Revealed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a &amp;quot;lore bible&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Lore_Bible_Discussion|Lore Bible Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. On the 15th, Praetor's [[Discord]] account, run by Caden Peck, joined the [[The Place]] Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{collapsible|Chat Excerpts|{{quoteboxnavy|We'll initially be only selling Medallions. These act as a trial run, testing market interest. Along the way, we will add more products. These will include but not be limited to comics, cards, and possibly amino figurines.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|It costs about 3 dollars per medallion. We sell them for 25 apiece, as to match our competitors. Etsy brand imposters are selling Medallions for 25-30. To uproot them, we must match or go below their prices.&lt;br /&gt;
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If business is good, we'll increase sales by discounting them, selling them for 15-20}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|In order to emulate Sonichu's original medallion, they are stamped in a mold we made and baked. Then, painted. We mail them from our own company pocket for a while, as it is cheaper then registration with a mailing company. When we get big enough, we can afford to register and get discounted shipping services}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|We've not shipped any yet, so we only have estimates. It won't be more then a few dollars.&lt;br /&gt;
The medallions are not large not heavy.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|We signed a confidentiality agreement with Sonichu, as we are a company. If Sonichu gives her consent, I can disclose profit splits and profit estimates.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy| We've worked with creative types for about 3 years now. You may recognize a few of my more eccentric clients!&lt;br /&gt;
Have any of you ever heard of Molossia?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxnavy|We don't only do merch. We helped him find someone to write a dissertation on the micronation's sovereignty.&lt;br /&gt;
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He's using that to try and officiate his territory as a nation.&lt;br /&gt;
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More power to him, I suppose.&lt;br /&gt;
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What do y'all do? I'm excited to be working with this team.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|I used to have a website, but due to domain costs I took it down. When it comes to clients, I find that it's easier to find eccentric people then to have them find you. If you're interested in partnership or a meeting, I've been transitioning us to social media. We have a new twitter and an Instagram.&lt;br /&gt;
Our email is llcpraetor@gmail.com.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|@praetor_llc and the Twitter is @praetor&lt;br /&gt;
With social media, I can find my own clientele. Considering that I'm here, seems like things are working out!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On another brand named 'Praetor LLC':&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxnavy|Oh no, we know about Praetor LLC. They're actually not trademarked, we've talked to them. Their site is a homedone project. The only internationally trademarked Praetor brand is Praetor Technologies.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 16 October, they arranged for Chris to give [[Goochland Library Sermon|a sermon at Goochland library]], where he spewed his [[Dimensional Merge]] delusions. This spiel was done in front of a large screen displaying the Praetor logo. When it was eventually released on YouTube, it started with a loud dramatic opening, commissioned from an unknown source. They also added sarcastic captions, mocking Chris. The Praetor members took photos with Chris after the sermon.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Tinyhorse02.png|With Caden.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Praetor4.jpg|With Owen.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Praetor5.jpg|Arguably one of the most iconic images of Chris out there, appearing on news articles and on his Wikitubia page&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 19 October, Praetor's presence was made known to the public, when they released multiple photos of Chris and the members of Praetor at a Chinese restaurant. One of these images included the members' Instagram handles, making it very easy for them to get doxxed.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|With [[Instagram]] handles&lt;br /&gt;
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On 13 [[November 2020]], Chris uploaded [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation that Praetor had commissioned from [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. After this, Bella began regularly chatting with Chris, [[Incest Call|eventually becoming rather infamous for unrelated reasons]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|left|250px|thumb|Praetor somehow manages to make the medallion look ''worse'']]&lt;br /&gt;
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In December, Praetor created an Etsy shop for Chris, [[OfficialCWCmart]], where they sell Sonichu medallions and other merchandise. The medallions sold by them manage to look much worse than any medallions made by Chris, and are completely inconsistent in how they look.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the &amp;quot;Chris Chan Style.&amp;quot; Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. A month later, they had made $5,900 worth of sales on their medallion product,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; though information such as their operating costs is unknown, as is how much profit the group members had after expenses. In mid-January 2021, Chris confirmed having received nearly $400 in small cash amounts for his share.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GoldenChurchmedallion2.jpg|300px|thumb|Chris with a Golden Medallion]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:RedRobe.jpg|300px|thumb|Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robe, sold an year after the server died out]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Praetor also created a [[Discord]] server, [[Golden Church of Sonichu]], which was created for anyone who bought their Golden Medallions on their Etsy shop. The server served as another outlet for Chris to rant about his delusions. Caden often posted in there too, giving insight into Praetor's bizarre plans.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|-Christine has fully greenlit [REDACTED]'s video game. Please message Chris directly as soon as possible, as Christine would like to provide some direction with the game's storyline.&lt;br /&gt;
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-The Praetor Flamethrower will be stress-tested this upcoming week at a local firing range sponsoring us. Please standby for future details.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Christine has approved the future sale of Potions blessed by her. These are to be sold for less than $17 apiece, but a fixed price has not yet been decided. We need help finding cheaply shipped glassware in bulk. As cheap as possible is best, as we are going to be selling 3-4 kinds of potions stocked at at least 12 each. Bottles must be at very least 4oz, at most 16oz.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Christine's Golden Medallions have already sold out. Expect more members soon.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Test footage for [REDACTED] has been filmed in order to see if she can cgi a Sonichu next to Chris, allowing us to feature a Sonichu in the upcoming Chris Chan Movie. Please complete this as soon as possible, and we will kiss you on the mouth.|Caden&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon hacking into [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]'s account, [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|a short clip]] showing the behind-the-scenes process of the Chris Chan Movie was leaked. It shows Chris posing as a Praetor member commentates, telling him specific poses to do, while he's supposedly standing next to [[Rosechu]], who would be added in post as a CGI character.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Taser Controversy==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Taser}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png|300px|thumb|The Taser]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.&amp;lt;ref name=tasercall&amp;gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 15 [[November 2020]], Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!|Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/ (archive: https://archive.ph/K6ojQ)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:praetor cart.jpg|thumb|left|250px|The image featured in the instagram post]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed tasers.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].&amp;lt;ref name=thinking&amp;gt;[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Watchmen confronted Caden Peck about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their tasers, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling.&amp;lt;ref name=thinking&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have [[Taser Discussion|a call]] about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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Near the end of the call, [[Watchmen]] member [[Val]] jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone is shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]] then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached [[GiBi]], who made a video claiming it was fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Naught then doxxed Caden on the forum, which led to [[Larry Vaughn]] making multiple posts sharing his experiences with Praetor. While many were skeptical of Vaughn's claims, due to him arguably being an unreliable narrator, his [[Larry Vaughn DMs|DMs with Chris]] reveal that he did in fact have a phone call with Caden, meaning his post is most likely true&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Larry Vaughn DMs#Coded Message for Twitter Users]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Still hard to believe that [Caden Peck] legit thought that I was the representative of a group of rich folks that would buy shitty medallions so we could roleplay with Chris in a private Discord server.|Larry Vaughn&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|So my initial contact with them was when Christine sent me Caden's phone number and asked me to call him. I initially thought that he was going to tell me to fuck off, but he at the time at least entertained the idea of bringing 'us' (LAnon) on board. He pitched the idea of 'golden sonichu medallions' to me, which were basically regular Sonichu medallions with a code or something on them that would grant people access to a discord group to talk with Chris directly. He said that Christine &amp;quot;was a very busy woman with everything going on, and that Praetor basically served to screen out trolls from legitimate business dealings so she could have time to focus on her tasks.&amp;quot; I said that I would entertain their offer, and I would just need to take a headcount of who would be interested in one.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Praetor was the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the Teen Troon Squad before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine, and eventually even this devolved into them basically becoming a slightly less shitty version of the idea guys 2.0&lt;br /&gt;
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-They work in a nasty basement painting Sonichu medallions to sell. Now people seem to think that they just give Chris the money. They don't, they basically hold it from him unless he does what they want&lt;br /&gt;
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-The amount of money they make is apparently enough that Christine could have hired a private investigator to come after me, and this person contacted me after Chris threatened to call the cops on me&lt;br /&gt;
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-My 'big plan' (Sending Chris to Florida) was apparently liked by Caden, to the point that he would pay for a ticket for Chris&lt;br /&gt;
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-Chris claimed that Null was on Praetor's side, and was working with them to hunt me down (whether this is real or a delusion of Chris' is yet to be determined)|Larry Vaughn&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|To be honest Praetor just wants to further enable Chris at this point because doing so makes them money. Like they thought that I put mushrooms in the wine to poison Chris, they thought that they could get money from me, and they also thought that I was like 30 people.|Larry Vaughn&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Praetor]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|300px|A message left for a customer who bought a taser]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2022]], Praetor began selling tasers previously autographed by Chris on their Etsy shop, supposedly for the purpose of simulating &amp;quot;zapping to the extreme&amp;quot; for buyers. Etsy quickly removed this listing. Eventually, Praetor created a listing titled 'The Secret Listing', a listing that had no information on what it was. It was later revealed through [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|emails]] that The Secret Listing was a taser, with the fact hidden in order to bypass Etsy guidelines.&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the people who bought the taser would mail it to the channel SuperMega, where they would unbox it on video&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5OaHIfMdY&amp;amp;ab_channel=SuperMega&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Jail Saga==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Praetor Jail Art|OfficialCWCmart#Jail Saga Items}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Caden had plans to assemble a posse to protect Chris from [[Jacob Sockness]] at [[Everfree Northwest]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WCT DMs#Sockness alert]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, and to buy Chris a PC so he could do more streams&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The_Knights_of_CWC_chats_(July_2021)#The_&amp;quot;Older_Lady_Friend&amp;quot;_Call_(Second_Layer_commentary)|Older Lady Friend Call]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, however both of these plans were cut short by Chris's [[Incest Arrest|arrest]] after he [[Affair With Mother|fucked his mother]]. After Chris got kicked out of his house for this, he contacted Caden to try and get his assistance in finding a hotel, though it is unknown how Caden responded to this&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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While most cut ties with Chris after this, Praetor continued to talk to Chris. At one point, Chris mentioned that Caden was working on publishing the &amp;quot;Goddess Log&amp;quot;, his jail diary&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Call - 1 November 2021]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[May 2022]], Praetor began selling [[Praetor Jail Art|art that Chris made in jail]], making their contact with Chris much more obvious. They also added [[Jail Medallion Promotions|audio clips]] of Chris promoting their medallions from jail to their Etsy. Aside from these, the products sold on [[OfficialCWCmart]] became increasingly strange, including arrowheads, cult robes, and signed g-fuel.  &lt;br /&gt;
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In [[June 2022]], Chris started mentioning Caden in his letters, expressing his desire to have [[Helena Fiorenza]] collaborate with him&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 25 June 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, though Caden did not respond when Helena attempted to do so&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Chris also generally praised him, stating:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements; Include Him on the Fan Project Website, period, please.|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 14 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}} &lt;br /&gt;
{{quote| And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating.|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
In [[July 2022]], Chris began writing in letters about his newfound hatred of [[Barb]]. He told Caden to check if Barb was still at [[14 Branchland Court]], which he did. Caden told Chris that she was still there and refused to leave, after which Chris instructed Caden to call the police on her.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|By Caden’s confirmation, Barbara was still at the Sonichu Temple; Redneck and Stubborn. So, giving him the list of her charable crimes, including pet negigance/mistreatment, suicide threats, emotional manipulation and abuse upon I, and ADA’s law of using someone else’s SSI, I have instructed Caden alone, to call the police on her.|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The two decided on starting a $150,000 fundraiser to pay off Chris's mortgages and debts, and to put Barb in an Elderly Care Home, with the help of [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] and [[Helena]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (1)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. This fundraiser predictably failed, and ended with Kengle, Helena and [[Eels]] cutting ties with Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Excommunication letter]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Interview===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:PraetorLetter.jpg|300px|thumb|Praetor's message to a customer]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|March 2023 Praetor Interview}}&lt;br /&gt;
In [[March 2023]], Praetor had [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|an interview]] with a [[Kiwi Farms]] user. In this interview, they claim that Chris calls them twice about the Etsy store. They also claim that the store has earned Chris a lot of money, despite him still being in jail. &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Chris calls twice a week to deal with the store, as no listings are made with out his express oversight. As for the cease and desists, we'd just advise that folk stay out of any trouble. Chris's cash has been accumulating, as the money he gets from both the store and monthly disability hasn't been touched while incarcerated.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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They claim that the reason Chris hasn't sent any letters or had any visitors is because [[David Heilberg]], Chris's lawyer, advised them to not let any &amp;quot;ill-meaning folk&amp;quot; near Chris. &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Both the lack of recent letters and having no visitors is intentional, as Heilberg advised us to close any way for ill-meaning folk to get close.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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They offer more insider knowledge on Chris, such as the fact that he has grown a beard in prison, and that he has plans to return, with strange aspirations as well. None of these claims have been confirmed true, so it's ideal to take them with a grain of salt, however, Chris did [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned|in fact return]], as foretold by Praetor.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Post-jail involvement==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|OfficialCWCmart#Post-Jail Saga Items}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cwc-oct2023praetor2.jpg|300px|thumb|An [[October 2023]] picture of Chris, seen on OfficialCWCmart]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Coveredsonchu.png|250px|thumb|What appears to be [[Son-Chu]], covered up so trolls wouldn't spot it, spotted on a Google Maps view of Caden's house]]&lt;br /&gt;
After plenty of sightings online and [[Post-jail sightings|offline]], Chris finally made his grand return in [[October 2023]]. Along with Chris's return, [[OfficialCWCmart]] returned as well, stocked with a plethora of new items. This included new [[Medallions|Sonichu medallions]], with brand new pictures of Chris in front of a green screen, new promotions of [[Neo Spiritual Christianity]], and [[2021 Lost Commissions|dozens upon dozens of lost commissions]] that Chris drew for the [[Everfree Northwest]] fundraiser in [[2021]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's new videos from this point forward were incredibly high quality (for Chris's standards), making it very likely that Praetor is behind these videos, as they have previous experience with high-quality editing and Chris uses the same green screen which is used in the Etsy store. Chris also consistently promotes [[OfficialCWCmart]] in the description of these videos. &lt;br /&gt;
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In [[June 2023]], a property in [[Big Island]] was transferred to both a LLC and Caden Peck for $235,000. In [[November 2023]], [[Kiwi Farms]] users managed to find evidence hinting at Chris living at the property, or at the very least using it as a studio. Firstly, Chris's [[November 2023 social media posts|P.O Box]] is only 22 minutes from the house, and Chris has been [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|previously sighted in Big Island]]. In an October 2023 Google Streetview, a car covered by a sheet can be seen outside the house, with a tire suspiciously similar to Chris's car. Lastly, in Chris's recent streams, we have occasionally gotten glimpses of his house, with one of the doors appearing in the streams perfectly matching up with a listing for the property.&lt;br /&gt;
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Caden does not actually live with Chris, as he has another residence in Maryville, Missouri. This is shown when, a month after buying the Big Island house, four felonies were filed against Caden by Maryville authorities for allegedly illegally manufacturing and delivering psilocybin mushrooms, for which he received 5 years probation and 19 days in jail.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268&amp;amp;inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268-01&amp;amp;inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/REDACTED%20PC%20STATEMENT%20PECK.PDF?courtCode=04&amp;amp;di=921031&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Further indication that Caden does not live in Big Island is in the [[October 2023]] livestream [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], in which Chris turns off the stream in order to respond to a phone call from Caden.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[OfficialCWCmart]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Praetor Jail Art]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Goochland Library Sermon]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Taser]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Taser Discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[2021 Lost Commissions]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[March 2023 Praetor Interview]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram (deleted)]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart Praetor's Etsy]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PraetorSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PrisonSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ThirdExile}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{RevelationsSaga}} &lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{BusinessList}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
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		<title>Larry Vaughn</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Troll}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{SonichuPossession}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Unreliable|type=cred|Larry has made many unsubstantiated claims.&amp;lt;ref group = note&amp;gt;Larry had once claimed in a reddit post that when he visited 14BC, the residence was being cleared out, to which a Kiwi Farms member had also visited and showed disagreement.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|The guy whose behind you may want to kick is @LarryVaughn78; he was the [[ween]] who thought it would be funny to spam scat. But, he is a ween who wants only attention. I understand I am making irony by mentioning him here|Chris on Twitter.&amp;lt;ref name=larry&amp;gt;[[January 2021 social media posts#Larry Vaughn]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|The Vaughn person is an entirely different person. We have no clue who this idiot is.|[[Caden Peck]] on whether Larry Vaughn and [[Praetor]] are connected&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|name    = Larry Vaughn&lt;br /&gt;
|image    = LarryVaughn.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases  = LAnon&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Miss L&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Daniel Arias&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Danny Boy&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|gender   = Male&lt;br /&gt;
|occupaton = Mayor (former)&lt;br /&gt;
|race     = White&lt;br /&gt;
|nation   = American&lt;br /&gt;
|saga     = {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Larry Vaughn''', also operating under the alias '''Miss L''', is a  troll persona portrayed by Twitter user and furry&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Vaughn Interlude#Danny Boy]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; LarryVaughn78,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/LarryVaughn78&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; who surfaced in [[January 2021]]. He manipulated Chris into sending DMs to Twitter users including rogueManYT,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/RogueManYT/status/1350503363599806467?s=20 (Archive https://archive.fo/dURcr)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; zero_mccall,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/zero_mccall/status/1350173980641132547&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and Dubmare&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/Dubmare/status/1350302410837782529&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; on 14 January 2021 containing bizarre sexual and religious statements, including a &amp;quot;ciphered message&amp;quot; of a quote of perverse sexual fantasies from serial killer {{w|Albert Fish}}.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://davidmalocco.wordpress.com/2015/05/08/albert-h-fish-1870-1936-serial-killer/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The persona of &amp;quot;Larry Vaughn&amp;quot; is derived from a [https://jaws.fandom.com/wiki/Larry_Vaughn supporting character] from the first two ''{{w|Jaws (film)|Jaws}}'' films: he is the [[Mayor|mayor]] of the town beset by shark attacks, whose unwise governing decisions end up costing lives.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vaughn's introduction==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|The Vaughn Interlude}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:LAnon Gifts.jpg|thumb|200px|Vaughn's gifts to Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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On 3 January 2021, Chris received an introductory letter and gifts from &amp;quot;LAnon&amp;quot;, a group posed by Vaughn which claimed to be an organization that could see into other [[dimensions]]. He also received text messages from Vaughn's character Miss L, who claimed to be part of the group. Chris was a bit skeptical, but because Vaughn had stroked his ego by buying him gifts he wasn't willing to dismiss LAnon completely. Chris consulted with the [[Watchmen]], who tried to talk him out of engaging with LAnon.&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite being warned, Chris proceeded to walk straight into Vaughn's trap and followed his instruction to send the perverted Albert Fish quote to various Twitter users.&lt;br /&gt;
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==DMs==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cipher.jpg|thumb|200px|The &amp;quot;ciphered message&amp;quot; Chris was told to send.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:CWCVaughnFishquotes.png|thumb|200px|Vaughn persuading Chris to send the quotes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
===rogueManYT===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|Hey there. Mr. Vaughn sent me. How are you doing?}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|I am feeling well and good. I'm messaging you because I've heard you've had some experience in interdimensional travel as Chris, herself, has. Like you've at least [[Astral projection|astral projected]] and visited the [[dimension]] where yours and others' [[OC]]s reside in.&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Also, if you'd like, I'd be willing to be on one of your livestreams as a goodwill address.}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|I have a ciphered message for you:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Tell me when you want to do #2. I will take you over my knees, pull up your clothes, take down your drawers and hold my mouth to your sweet honey fat - ass holes and xxx xxxx xxx Eat your sweet Peanut Butter and as it comes out fresh and hot. That is how they do it in Hollywood. You wont need toilet paper to wipe your sweet pretty fat ass as I shall eat it all xxx xxx xx xxx of it then lick your sweet ass clean with my tongue.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===zero_mccall===&lt;br /&gt;
Messages sent to zero_mccall.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://twitter.com/KingBlackBun/status/1350173980641132547 / https://archive.ph/XSwSR&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|Hey there. Miss L. sent me. How are you doing?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Pardon, me, I meant Mr. Vaughn}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|I'm alright, Idk who those people are}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|LAnon?}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|Whose LAnon?}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|Oh well, that's not important at the moment.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|Alright then, so wassup?}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|I'm messaging you because you've had some experience in interdimensional travel as Chris, herself, has?}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|The interdimensional travel as Chris?}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|Yeah, like you've at least astral projected and visited the dimension where yours and others' OCs reside in.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|Imma be real with you, I have absolutely no idea what you're talking abou&lt;br /&gt;
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Are you asking if I ever thought about being my OC?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxyellow|In the darkness of the world, the end of An Age Unknown, the Two Halves of [[:File:Halva.jpg|Halva]] Becometh One. Let the Light Divide the Conquest the Receding Darkly Gloom, the Birds in The aether and the Fish in the Sea rejoice with the Sun Son. King Solomon Bekons Forth to Ophir!}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgreen|........what?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Dubmare===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|Hey there. Mr. Vaughn sent me. How are you doing?&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
I have a ciphered message for you:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Tell me when you want to do #2. I will take you over my knees, pull up your clothes, take down your drawers and hold my mouth to your sweet honey fat - ass holes and xxx xxxx xxx Eat your sweet Peanut Butter and as it comes out fresh and hot. That is how they do it in Hollywood. You wont need toilet paper to wipe your sweet pretty fat ass as I shall eat it all xxx xxx xx xxx of it then lick your sweet ass clean with my tongue.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Various Unknown Others===&lt;br /&gt;
While these three Twitter accounts are the only ones known to have publicly leaked Chris's DMs to them, the redacted contents of the LAnon letter&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:VaughnInterlude 03January2021 4.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and Miss L texts&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Miss L Texts 3.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; indicate that Vaughn instructed Chris to contact at least ''19'' other accounts, if not more, be they on Twitter on otherwise. What exactly Chris wrote to them, if anything, remains unknown, although it was likely just more of the &amp;quot;ciphered message&amp;quot; quoted from Albert Fish.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Follow-up response==&lt;br /&gt;
After the Twitter users leaked the messages, Chris wanted to respond to give his side of the story and [[Null]] advised against doing so.&amp;lt;ref name=ignoringnull&amp;gt;[[Null DMs#Ignoring Null's advice on Larry Vaughn]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; However, Chris ignored his advice, and the following day on 17 January, gave a cryptic response to rogueManYT:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|I will own up to this: yes, this was a voluntary mistake and mishap that I, personally, did indeed participate in. Need no worry; this matter is personally being dealt with. I apologize for this sequence in this event. ⚡⚡&lt;br /&gt;
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We were testing the waters of the individual and confirming the foreseen details of his intentions and relations with the individuals involved. We have our answers.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[January 2021 social media posts#Poop DMs]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Null rebuked Chris over his choice to add further publicity to the drama.&amp;lt;ref name=ignoringnull&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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In private chats with the [[Watchmen]], Chris was too proud to admit he had been fooled and claimed it had been part of his master plan.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|It may only seem we played into their hands, but in reality and ultimately, their justice will be served upon them.|Chris to the Watchmen.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Vaughn Interlude]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The Watchmen again tried to tell him to ignore Vaughn.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Feeding the troll==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris continued giving attention to Vaughn. On 22 January, he tagged Vaughn's Twitter handle with a lengthy rant about him.&amp;lt;ref name=larry&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; On 25 January, he replied to a comment from Vaughn which made fun of Chris's &amp;quot;word soup&amp;quot; ranting style:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[January 2021 social media posts#More Larry Vaughn]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxyellow|Oh, you like word soup, huh? Well, how’s this for some words. Your little stunt is child’s play, [[Hypocrisy|NEET]]. We’re done with you. [[Messiah complex|Your punishment is being served to you.]] You did this to yourself, dude. Suffice to say, you should have appreciated your blessings.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 29 January, Chris again responded to more of Vaughn's ribbing.&amp;lt;ref name=punch&amp;gt;[[January 2021 social media posts#Punched in the gut]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Vaughn stated:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|Child's play, and yet you went along with it. Think about that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's comeback was:&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxyellow|Did I, though?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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When another Twitter user pointed out that, in fact, he had, and pointed out the flaws in Chris's fantasy [[coping]] mechanisms, Chris shot back:&amp;lt;ref name=punch&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxyellow|You are about to get punched in the gut around your [[PsychicPowers|Root and/or Sacral chakra points]] around the time you read this, @Abel_0888}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vaughn's failed plans==&lt;br /&gt;
As seen in text messages Vaughn sent to an unknown third party and posted by Chris to Twitter,&amp;lt;ref name=larry&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; he had a collection of ways in which he wanted to troll Chris. Most of these ideas had already been done by the trolls of years passed, such as posing as a [[List of Chris's sweethearts|sweetheart]] and making Chris [[Ohio trip|drive to a location]]. Vaughn would pull a page out of the [[Idea Guys]]' manual and use the threat of a bunch of fictional characters which Chris believes are real to blackmail him into being his plaything. Chris would have to contact [[Null]] and ask him if he and [[Praetor]] could accompany him to Disneyworld in Florida. On the way there, each &amp;quot;[[Transgender|male identifying]] member&amp;quot; would take a shit in a Buc-ee's urinal. How Vaughn thought any of this would work is a complete mystery.&lt;br /&gt;
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Thankfully, because [[Mass debating|he shot his load]] too early with the scat DMs, Vaughn's plans never came to fruition, although the person behind him is still at large and will most likely continue to be a massive [[Autism|autist]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Vaughn vs. Praetor vs. The Watchmen==&lt;br /&gt;
On 11 [[February 2021]], Vaughn made a [[Kiwi Farms]] account&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Larry Vaughn Kiwi Farms profile.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and started posting in a recently-created thread dedicated to discussion about [[The Place chats (February 2021)|Chris's desire to use a taser and Praetor's involvement in the affair]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The Watchman [[Naught]] had been leaking several [[Taser Discussion|tidbits of information]] about this event, going so far as to dox Caden Peck, the leader of Praetor,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/post-8300206&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and Vaughn decided to join in. After being prompted by another user, he made several unsubstantiated claims about Praetor, including that they allegedly tried to involve him in their business efforts and that they approved of some of Vaughn's trolling plans, even being willing to finance the trip that Vaughn wanted Chris to take to Florida.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/post-8320971&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He followed this up by posting numerous screenshots of his conversations with Chris,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Leaking DMs]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; then further doxxing Caden by posting his phone number.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/post-8321457&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
Perhaps not wanting Vaughn to get away with his trolling attempts unscathed, Naught responded to this by posting Vaughn's supposed real name as it was given to Chris, as well as his phone number,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)#Attempt to dox Larry Vaughn]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; both of which Vaughn dismissed as fake.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Response to Naught's dox attempt]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Upon further interrogation by Naught on his motives, Vaughn then claimed that he wanted to try and get Chris to end his belief in the [[Merge|merge]] or get help (a statement that seems at odds with his actions), which then shifted into a desire to make Praetor look incompetent, because he believed them to be &amp;quot;fucking nuts.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Vaughn's Plan]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Text messages==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Larry Vaughn DMs}}&lt;br /&gt;
Vaughn and Chris also communicated with texts, which Vaughn later leaked.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
Posted by Chris to Twitter, the screenshots are apparently of Vaughn laying out additional troll schemes to a third party.&amp;lt;ref name=larry&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:January22TextMessages1.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:January22TextMessages2.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:January22TextMessages3.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:January22TextMessages4.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:January22RansomLetter1.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:January22RansomLetter2.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
File:January22RansomLetter3.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Notes}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{DEFAULTSORT:Vaughn}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{WatchmenSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PraetorSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Category:Trolls]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Saw&amp;diff=317010</id>
		<title>Saw</title>
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		<updated>2023-11-29T12:05:59Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Alec */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Quote|You think I DENY MY OWN MISTAKES, ERRORS and ORDEALS? YOU CAN GO COUNT YOUR OWN [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|CURSES]] AND SEE HOW THEY OUTWEIGH YOUR OWN BLESSINGS. Or, here's a quote from John Kramer ([[Asperchu|fictional character with DEPTH]]), &amp;quot;Live or Die, Make Your Choice.&amp;quot; My versions, &amp;quot;Peace or Worry; Fight or Flee; Strong Will or Mistaken Impulses; Draw your Fated-to-Die Sweetheart Alive or Dead; Fact or Fiction...etc., etc., etc.... Make YOUR OWN CHOICES.&amp;quot;|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 45]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Moida.PNG|thumb|250px|&amp;quot;Also, Think about this, WITHIN THE TEN BOOKS At ALL, have I ever gone the way of the SAW movies; Bloody and Gorey? No. [...]  I promise you that; [[Chris_and_hypocrisy#Mature_content|My Comic Book Pages will NEVER have Blood and Gore in them]].&amp;quot;]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''''Saw''''' is a horror movie franchise that has been ongoing since [[2004]]. It is one of the highest grossing horror film franchises of all time, while also having an infamous reputation for being &amp;quot;torture porn&amp;quot;, as a prominent aspect of the entire series involves characters being forced to partake in extremely dangerous and painful scenarios, or &amp;quot;traps&amp;quot;, often dying or being mutilated as a result. Given Chris's general fondness for juvenile entertainment like ''[[My Little Pony]]'', ''[[Sailor Moon]]'' and [[Lego]]s, it's somewhat jarring to learn that one of his favorite film series involves explicit scenes of sadistic torture and murder. He appears to take comfort in the fact that the violence and pain depicted [[Chris and reality|are not real, just &amp;quot;Hollywood Magic.&amp;quot;]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[ChrisChanSonichu and WikiSysop correspondence]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 4]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Mentions==&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Mumble 4]], when [[Clyde Cash]] insisted that Chris sell or destroy most of his clutter to prove his worth to [[Julie]], Chris compared the situation to ''Saw III'', where a man had to burn his murdered son's toys in order to free the judge who only gave the boy's killer a year in prison.&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Mumble 6]], Chris talks about ''Saw''.&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Common Questions]], he listed the ''Saw'' movies among his favorites, along with such tame fare as ''[[Mary Poppins]]'', ''[[Transformers]]'', ''[[Ghostbusters]]'' and ''[[Virgin with rage|The 40-Year-Old Virgin]]''.&lt;br /&gt;
*He talked to [[Jackie]] about ''Saw'', saying &amp;quot;when it comes to gore, it's kinda 75-25; 3/4 I can stand, 1/4 I would feel sick after seeing.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie Chat 7]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*One of his video ideas for Jackie was ''&amp;quot;I also have an idea for pretending to be [[Wikipedia:Billy (Saw)|jigsaw's dummy]], and addressing myself in a scenario where I was put into one of his traps. Even imagining it, hearing my name spoken by Jigsaw's voice spooks me some. &amp;quot;Hello, Christian Chandler, I want to play a game.&amp;quot; Can you imagine?&amp;quot;''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 18]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris downloaded ''Saw'' and ''Saw II'' on [[PSN]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[List of Chris's PSN video downloads]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris bought ''Saw V'', ''Saw VI'' and ''Saw 3D'' on Blu-Ray.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Best Buy]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[List of Chris's Blu-ray discs]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*The gruesome executions of the [[Asperpedia]] Four depicted in [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]] were likely inspired by ''Saw'':&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Evan]] is chained to a wall where [[Sandy Rosechu]] bores holes all over his body with her drill hands (including his genitals), before she and [[Wild Sonichu]] finish him off together.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Sean]] is hung by his wrists in a room where [[Bill the Scientist]], [[Allison Amber]] and [[Kel]] shoot him dead as &amp;quot;target practice.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
**Chris breaks [[Mao]] with his psychic powers, twisting his legs at unnatural angles before exploding his heart, without any remorse or justification of why, even noting that &amp;quot;his amends have been made&amp;quot; for doing so.&lt;br /&gt;
**[[Alec]]'s electrocution is relatively painless, but it is performed by those he has &amp;quot;wronged.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*In a [[December 2020]] chat with [[The Place]], [[Naught]] suggested that Chris draw a &amp;quot;Saw style&amp;quot; comic featuring his perceived enemy (referring to ''Sonichu 10''). Chris took offense to the remark.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Place chats - ProjectSNT and Opuscon789]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Alec==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris and [[Alec]] had a rather bizarre discussion of ''Saw'' and the murder of fictional characters on 8 [[February 2010]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 8]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris had criticized ''[[Asperchu]]'' for its graphic violence.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Twitter]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Yes, well, well, yeah, they are bad, because that's just totally fake. And plus, to do it in such a gory way is just terrifying. It's like any, it's like any of the ''Saw'' movies. It's especially like, especially like the first trap in ''Saw VI''.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Did you like those movies?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; That was horrifying.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Did you like those movies, Chris? The ''Saw'' movies?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Yeah, I liked them, I mean I enjoyed the falling, the telling...&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; [''talking over Chris''] You liked them? But there's death in it! How could you like a movie that has death in it, Chris?! Death is bad. You said death is bad.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Well, I'm not talking about...&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Death is bad.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; I'm not saying, I mean, yeah, I'm not talking about the death part, I did not say I liked the death parts, I liked the building of the character of [[Wikipedia:Jigsaw (Saw character)|John Kramer]]. In the movies.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; But the point is, you still liked the movies overall, right? I mean, you went to see them, you'd probably see them again?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Yeah, I mean, yeah, they were hor-, yeah, I mean, I will admit they are horrifying, and they do frighten me, but think about, but think about, think about...&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Hence the genre, horror, if it's horrifying it's doing its job, I guess.&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Hm. Yeah, but I mean, still, that's Hollywood magic, you know, that's, you know, the people, the actors in those movies are still, are still alive and well, they just...&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Oh, well, right, I forgot, [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2|because comic characters are real people]] and apparently I'm guilty of, of multiple homicide now? Chris, you, remember when you killed [[Simonla]] because we strong-armed you into it, because you refused to do it willingly? Are you guilty of homicide now? Because you killed Simonla?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#0033FF&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Chris:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; No, actually, that would, actually, you could blame the Voltorb that was placed by the toilet, placed by the toilet that exploded. Because the Voltorb exploded, it blew up the...&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;lt;font color=&amp;quot;#04B45F&amp;quot;&amp;gt;'''Alec:'''&amp;lt;/font&amp;gt; Chris, you drew the Voltorb. You drew the Voltorb! Chris, you knew Simonla was going to die! You knew there was going to be a Voltorb there and you did nothing to stop it! You are an accessory to murder! Who cares if someone else placed it? You knew, of course you knew she was going to die because I've been telling you for weeks to kill her.&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris likes]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
	</entry>
	<entry>
		<id>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Barbara_Chandler&amp;diff=316956</id>
		<title>Barbara Chandler</title>
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		<updated>2023-11-28T11:40:17Z</updated>

		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: As kengle now has his own page I assume this is the appropriate thing to do&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;{{Needs Updating|[[The Place chats (December 2020)#Scary Barbara and Cirrusfire Rant]]|[[The Place chats - ProjectSNT#Browsing Kiwi Farms]]|[[An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021]]|[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]|[[Post-jail sightings (2023)#14 Branchland Court (November)]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Honest}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Unreliable|type=cred|Barb has a long history [[LoveYouLongTime_E-mails,_2011-2012#Borb_vs_MAGfest|manipulating]] people.|She might also have dementia or some other cognitive disability. Alternatively, she may be faking dementia symptoms on camera.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Protip|Barb has not been confirmed to have dementia. News articles, videos, and posts often state that she does without a source; however, there has been no known medical diagnosis. It is impossible to diagnose Barb simply from her appearances in Chris's videos, as these are begging videos in which she may be playing up symptoms for the camera, and she has a well-known history of manipulating people. Multiple people who have interacted with her off-camera have reported that she is completely mentally sound, and she is known to drive and do other things not commonly done by people with dementia. On the other hand, Chris called Barb 'zombie-like' in his jail letters, and she has gotten into at least one major car accident in recent years. Ultimately, it is impossible to know for sure, and, while theorization is okay, it is ideal not to confirm or deny it on this wiki without further evidence.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I am close to my mother, but I would advise some space between you and your mother. And I recommend [[Love Quest|finding yourself]] a Girlfriend/Sweetheart to remain with in your later years of life. Mama's not gonna be around forever.|Chris feigns giving advice to a ''Sonichu'' fan.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 13#Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud...]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|She [[Death threats|threatens to kill me]] in her episode of emotional rage.|Chris on Barb.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;jackie26&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 26]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Barbara was more of a “Guilty Pleasure” waifu|Chris [[Chris and escapism#Roleplaying|roleplaying]] as Magi-Chan, demonstrating his [[Chris and sex#Incest|Oedipus complex]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[September 2019 social media posts#Barbara was more of a &amp;quot;guilty pleasure&amp;quot; waifu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Infobox Person&lt;br /&gt;
|name = Barbara&amp;amp;nbsp;Chandler&lt;br /&gt;
|image = July11BarbPhoto2.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
|birthname    = Barbara Ann Weston&lt;br /&gt;
|aliases    = Barb&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Bobcat&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Obesity|Snorlax]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[:File:Chandler family as ponies.png|Sugar Darling]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Barbie&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Barbie Chan&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Decent flashlight]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;lady friend&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Incest fallout chat leaks]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Merlin&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 11 January 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
|label3   = Date of Birth&lt;br /&gt;
|year = 1941&lt;br /&gt;
|month = 10&lt;br /&gt;
|day = 1&lt;br /&gt;
|nationality    = [[United States|American]]&lt;br /&gt;
|race   = White&lt;br /&gt;
|religion = Presbyterian&lt;br /&gt;
|spouse    = Ran Coleman Yeatts Sr. (1961–1963, divorce)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Walter Jerome Harmon Jr. (1968-1980, divorce)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Bob Chandler|Robert Franklin Chandler, Jr.]] (1980–2011, his death)&lt;br /&gt;
|children    = [[Cole Smithey|Joseph Cole Smithey]]&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;[[Christian Weston Chandler]]&lt;br /&gt;
|father   = Joseph Otto &amp;quot;Joe&amp;quot; Weston (1896–1955)&lt;br /&gt;
|mother   = Carrie Edna Wynn (1911–1967)&lt;br /&gt;
|occupation   = Magician's assistant (1967-1976)&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;Office worker (retired)&lt;br /&gt;
|saga = {{saga|childhood|cn}}, {{saga|greene|cn}}, {{saga|highschool|cn}}, {{saga|gameplace|cn}}, {{saga|ivy|cn}}, {{saga|secondexile|cn}}, {{saga|incest|cn}}, {{saga|jail|cn}}&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Barbara 'Barb' Ann Chandler'''&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Barbara Chandler Fail to Yield Right-of-Way charge.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (''née'' '''Weston''', formerly '''Yeatts''' and '''Smithey'''; born 1 {{w|1941#October|October 1941}}&amp;lt;ref name=Harvey155&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20170903151241/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d155.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;) is the widow of [[Bob Chandler]] and the mother of [[Christian Weston Chandler]] and [[Cole Smithey]]. The sole recognition for her motherly qualities is the Mother of the Year [[2000]] Award Chris created for her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[A Week With Christian Chandler#Page 13|A Week With Christian Chandler, page 13]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; She has not won the award since.&lt;br /&gt;
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Though Bob has remained relatively popular with [[Trolls]] and Christorians alike, the same cannot be said for Barbara, who has been consistently disliked by nearly everyone but Chris and her late husband – with many members of her own family distancing themselves from her at least since at least the funeral of one of [[Aunt Corrina|Chris's aunts]]. Whereas Bob eventually recognized his shortcomings as a parent to Chris and attempted to correct them late into his life, Barbara has consistently been one of the biggest enablers of Chris's bad behavior since he was a child, on top of emotionally manipulating, threatening, and on occasion physically abusing him (elements which Chris would turn around and use on her later in her life). Barbara has been instrumental in turning Chris into the spoiled manchild that he is, and like Bob before her, has encouraged him not to seek a serious career path in favor of [[Monthly tugboat|getting welfare off of his condition]], in spite of the fact that he could get a minimum-wage job and still qualify for welfare.&lt;br /&gt;
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It has long been suspected that she has some form of narcissistic personality disorder, which goes hand-in-hand with what we know about her neglectful to abusive relationship with Chris, along with his half-brother [[Cole Smithey]], who received a much worse treatment from her. Her hoarding habits also indirectly lead to the [[2014 house fire]], as sparks from a coffee maker that had no business being plugged into an extension cord in the bathroom burned the paper, plastic, and wood in the room before engulfing the house, and much of the [[Financhu Crisis]] is subsequently on her. Nonetheless, Chris remains unaware of just how bad a parent she's been to him, and he continues to cling to her in an Oedipal fashion (to a horrifying degree, as we'd later find out) as she approaches death's door, and he's no closer to becoming a self-sufficient adult two decades after graduating high school.&lt;br /&gt;
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For much of the Classic Era of Christory, Barbara was extremely obese and napped a lot (earning her the nickname &amp;quot;{{w|Snorlax}},&amp;quot; after the fat, sleepy [[Pokémon]] of the same name), but she has since shed a ton of weight in her twilight years. This sharp loss of weight, loss of hair color, and knowledge of her son's status as a living internet meme all factored into her role in appearing in multiple begging videos, alongside reportedly playing up senility for the camera to [[Chris and manipulation|manipulate]] viewers into paying for donations. Whether or not Barb was &amp;quot;just acting&amp;quot; senile remains unclear, particularly with later events in mind. Unfortunately, [[Chris and money|much like her son]], she spends most of the donations that she receives on frivolous crap rather than working to resolve her mounting [[debt]] that will be placed upon Chris after she kicks the bucket.&lt;br /&gt;
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Nonetheless, some offered sympathy to Barb in light of some incredibly dark revelations late into her life. Near the end of [[July 2021]], Chris told [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] that [[Affair with Mother|he began an incestuous relationship with Barbara]], long speculated to be suffering from some form of degenerative brain disease, which Chris later indicated was possible; by extension could mean that she may have been [[Chris and sex#Rape|unable to consent]] with her son. Audio of this revelation quickly leaked out to the internet at large. Chris previously told [[Null]] that he'd found a [[boyfriend-free girl]] over the age of 50 who was an accountant years ago – details which match up with a description of who Barb is – leading Null to believe that Chris found a girlfriend who he didn't want people to find out about before eventually realizing that Chris screwed his own mother. Following this horrifying news, Null severed his ties with Chris, and the damage done was swift and immeasurable as both Chris and Barb were vacated from [[14 Branchland Court]] and separated by [[Jerkops|the authorities]], with Barb being placed under medical care and [[Jail Saga|Chris being sent to jail, awaiting trial]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb returned to her residence at some point in [[August 2021]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;,[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Status of 14 Branchland Court]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; apparently appearing more rattled than usual.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Fan visits#e1ectricthunder]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In an [[October 2021]] letter to a fan, Chris mentioned that he had received a letter from Barb during his stay in jail.&amp;lt;ref name=25letter&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 25 October 2021 (Virginia fan)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; A [[November 2021]] letter to [[Kengle]] revealed that Barb was involved in a car crash claiming that she had suffered two broken ribs and a concussion, and has since been at the mercy of senior caregivers and extended family members who had never wanted to see her ever again until hearing about what she'd been through.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 27 November 2021]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; This was later confirmed by a CarFax report&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Confirming Car Crash]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and Barb being charged with Fail to Yield Right-of-Way for the incident.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Barbara Chandler Fail to Yield Right-of-Way charge.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Spelling of name==&lt;br /&gt;
Barbara's high school yearbook and both her marriage licenses spell her full maiden name as ''Barbara '''Ann''' Weston'', as do other sources like Harvey Powers's genealogical website&amp;lt;ref name=Harvey155/&amp;gt; (her divorce decree omits the middle name entirely). Chris, however, usually (though not consistently) spells her name as ''Barbara '''Anne''' Weston Chandler'' with an e. This may be because he believes she is named after [[Anne Boleyn]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Early life==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Barb1960.jpg|thumb|left|Barbara's senior photo from high school. While she looks pretty here, she would not age well.]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|Her life was a Redneck Simple Country one. She had mastered sewing, mending, and making clothes and other farm-life facets and Church-Going habits.|Chris describes his mother's childhood&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
Barbara is the fifth child (out of eight) of Joseph Otto &amp;quot;Joe&amp;quot; Weston, a longtime [[RandomSong1|farmer]] and a veteran of World War 1 (1896–1955) and Carrie Edna Wynn, a housewife and later hotel machine operator (1911–1967).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C958-RFTD?i=1&amp;amp;cc=2377565&amp;amp;personaUrl=%2Fark%3A%2F61903%2F1%3A1%3AQVRC-X438&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; They married in February 1927, when Carrie was 15 years old and Joseph [[Pedofork|was 30]], although they lied about their ages in their marriage certificate.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20170825073641/http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d141.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSZT-H9QK-J?cc=1726957&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Joe died in 1955, after falling from a horse-drawn wagon.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20200603075643/http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Barb's maternal grandfather was an alcoholic moonshiner, who carried out affairs and failed to provide even the most basic support for her mother's family.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20180425032751/http://www.harveypowers.com:80/wynn/wynn/d118.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; For whatever reason, Barb believes that she is descended from [[Anne Boleyn]], but this is impossible given that Elizabeth I, Boleyn's only daughter, died without an heir. She also thinks that a more recent ancestor named [[Daniel Weston]] boarded the ''Mayflower'', but no such person exists.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0839-MomDesi.JPG|thumb|Barb, emboldened by her hoard, evolved into a Snorlax over time.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb grew up in a low-income farming household in [[Wikipedia:Red Oak, Virginia|Red Oak, Virginia]], a rural area in the far south of the state. An early memory from when she was two years old was seeing her father covered in silver paint, having fallen off the roof while painting it and nearly killed himself (had he been drinking on the job?).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; She graduated from {{w|Randolph-Henry High School}} in {{w|Charlotte Court House, Virginia}} in 1960. Due to family poverty, she was obliged to sew her own clothing.&amp;lt;ref name=younger&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#Chris larps as his younger self]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; While at Randolph-Henry, she was treasurer of her school's chapter of the [[Women's rights|Future Homemakers of America]], a reporter of the Randolph-Henry safety bus patrol, a typist for her school yearbook, ''The Log'', and a member of the [[Spanish]] Club. She was also a member of many other school organizations, suggesting that she was very involved in extracurricular activities while in high school. She was also known for her perfect attendance record from her sophomore through her senior years of high school. According to her senior yearbook, her nickname in high school was Bobcat.&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb had two boyfriends in high school, one of whom was [[Aunt Harriet and Uncle Tom|Tom Ashby]], who would later marry her younger sister Harriet. According to a [[January 2012 Facebook Posts#February is coming up|Facebook status]] Chris wrote on 29 January 2012, Barbara lost her virginity during her high school years. Why Chris knows this is anyone's guess, although it's possible that he learned the basic principles of [[Honest Content]] from Mommy Dearest. In a [[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022|letter]] from 10 May 2022, however, Chris denies that Barbara ever had sex with her high school boyfriends, although he claims that her sisters accused her of doing so.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to a [[Incest Texts|leaked message]] to [[Bella]], Barbara has had sex with eight different men over the course of her life (not including Chris). She claims to have never [[mass debating|masturbated]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Shortly after graduating from high school in 1960, Barb left Red Oak and, &amp;quot;...decided to set off on her own... [[Love Quest|in search for romance and her future]].&amp;quot; Apparently, she left in order to go to college, breaking off her relationship with Tom, who was one year her junior. After Barb moved away, &amp;quot;her siblings, cousins, and others in Redoak&amp;quot; began to spread rumors about her and call her a slut in her absence. Around this time her mother also disowned her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Rebeckah Bentley E-mails#Chris has scabies too]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; As it turned out, her relationship with her family would never get much better. Barb's relationship with Harriet and Tom is especially strained. Chris stated in a leaked video that he and his mother are not liked by the members of the Weston family who have outlived Corrina.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Message for John Kyle]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Chris, Barb majored in &amp;quot;accounting and numbers.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=younger&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Where Barb attended college is unknown, but it may have been {{w|Wake Forest College}}, where her first husband, Ran Coleman Yeatts, was studying at the time. Wherever it was, she probably dropped out in 1961, when he graduated and married her. Her divorce report with Jerry and marriage certificate to Bob both say that she had not completed any years of college education.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Cole and his various fathers==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|thumb|left|Cole visits for Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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From approximately 1961 through 1980, Barbara lived in [[Richmond]]. Over the course of her adult life prior to meeting Bob, she had relationships with five men, three of whom are known by name.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Barbara gave birth to [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] in 1963. Throughout his life, Barbara has lied to Cole about who his father is because she is {{w|Maury Povich}} trash. &lt;br /&gt;
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Based on his experiences with various stepfathers, [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] thinks that Barbara has a &amp;quot;...proclivity to isolate herself via scurrilous mates.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;coleemail2&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[:File:Cole 07-03-06-2.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 2]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The use of &amp;quot;scurrilous&amp;quot; in this statement makes no sense, suggesting [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] tries to use [[Chris and English|big]] words to impress people – a family trait, perhaps.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Ran Coleman Yeatts===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:RanColemanYeatts-WakeForestHowler1961.png|thumb|Cole's [[TRUE and HONEST]] biological father, Ran Coleman Yeatts Sr., from the 1961 Wake Forest College yearbook.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Records found by Cole in Richmond show that Barb married one '''Ran ''Cole''man Yeatts''' on June 17, 1961. Yeatts was born on 27 December 1939 in {{w|Pittsylvania County, Virginia}} but grew up in {{w|South Hill, Virginia|South Hill}}, a town about 35 miles east of Red Oak which also happens to be the hometown of Barb's mother Carrie and her moonshiner dad. He was the son of '''Percy Coleman Yeatts''' a Construction Contractor &amp;lt;ref name=yeatts&amp;gt; [http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071320/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx?n=Ran-Yeatts&amp;amp;pid=88787372 Ran Coleman Yeatts obituary]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Yeatts graduated from {{w|Park_View_High_School_(South_Hill,_Virginia)|Park View High School}} from South Hill in 1957 and later that year he was enrolled at {{w|Wake Forest College}} in {{w|Winston-Salem, North Carolina}} (now Wake Forest University).&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28659?ln=en#?c=0&amp;amp;m=0&amp;amp;s=0&amp;amp;cv=94&amp;amp;r=0&amp;amp;xywh=2347%2C1534%2C681%2C414&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28685?ln=en#?c=0&amp;amp;m=0&amp;amp;s=0&amp;amp;cv=77&amp;amp;r=0&amp;amp;xywh=1396%2C1140%2C926%2C414&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28686?ln=en#?c=0&amp;amp;m=0&amp;amp;s=0&amp;amp;cv=81&amp;amp;r=0&amp;amp;xywh=460%2C1252%2C1363%2C609&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://lib.digitalnc.org/record/28677?ln=en#?c=0&amp;amp;m=0&amp;amp;s=0&amp;amp;cv=64&amp;amp;r=0&amp;amp;xywh=2241%2C1842%2C1441%2C875&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He graduated from Wake Forest with a Bachelor of Arts degree before April 1961, a few months before he and Barb married.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.archive.org/stream/howler1960wake/howler1960wake_djvu.txt&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Coincidentally, Bob Chandler was also living in Winston-Salem around the same time, where he was married to Patricia Faye Harley and working as an engineer.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to their marriage certificate, Ran was living in Richmond at the time of the marriage, while Barb was still living in Red Oak. Although however, a newspaper in April 1961, 2 months before marriage, said that Barb was already living in Richmond. They were married at a Baptist church in {{w|Wylliesburg, Virginia}} near Red Oak (which the divorce documents misspell as &amp;quot;Sylliesburg&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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A divorce was granted to Barb on 15 May 1963, at which point she was pregnant with Cole and living in Richmond. The decree states that Ran deserted her on 28 April 1962, although the final digit in &amp;quot;1962&amp;quot; appears to have been altered from a &amp;quot;3.&amp;quot; The divorce license lists, &amp;quot;0,&amp;quot; children, although it is unclear if such a document would have taken unborn Cole into account. Cole was born shortly after the divorce on 24 July 1963.&lt;br /&gt;
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To further fuel Cole's rage, Yeatts would visit him during his childhood and be introduced as a, &amp;quot;...friend of the family.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Cole Smithey E-mails&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; After Cole hired a private detective, Barbara hung up on him when he called to ask about his father.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Cole Smithey E-mails&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Yeatts later remarried and died aged 67 on 6 June 2007. His obituary in the ''Richmond Times-Dispatch'' makes no mention of Cole or Barb, although Ran did have a grandson also named Cole.&amp;lt;ref name=yeatts/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:BarbYeattsEngagementNewspaper.png|April 1961 - Richmond Times Dispatch newspaper about Barb and Ran's engagement announcement.&lt;br /&gt;
File:1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license.jpeg|1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license&lt;br /&gt;
File:1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce.jpeg|1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce&lt;br /&gt;
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===Jack Smithey===&lt;br /&gt;
Barb insists that Cole's father is '''Jack Dale Smithey,''' to whom she claims she was once married. However, Cole was unable to find a marriage license for the couple or any photographs from their alleged wedding.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;coleemail2&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; Indeed, Christorians have been frustrated in their efforts to locate any such evidence; their ability and persistence in documenting everything Chris-adjacent rivals that of any private detective. In 1995, Cole's friend, syndicated cartoonist {{w|Ted Rall}}, made an Internet post questioning the whereabouts of Jack Dale Smithey. According to the post, Smithey lived in Richmond in 1963 (the year Cole was born) and was a Merchant Marine. He later worked as a trucker for Pilot Trucking in North Carolina but had not been heard of since 1964.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SURNAMES/1995-04/0798938259&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Cole eventually hired a private detective who tracked down Jack Smithey in {{w|Sarasota, Florida}}.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Cole Smithey E-mails&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Nevertheless, newspaper articles from the 1960s indicate that she used the surname Smithey up until she married Jerry Harmon in 1968.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Barbara, she and Jack had a, &amp;quot;...fancy,&amp;quot; wedding which was attended by her sisters and mother. Chris told Cole that Barbara considers Jack, &amp;quot;...a total drunk and loser.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Cole Smithey E-mails&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[July 2021]], (in the middle of his incestuous affair with her), Chris asked Barbara about her relationship with Jack.&lt;br /&gt;
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Then he hit the road; was not in it to be a daddy. The life on the open road called out to him more.|Chris on Jack}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris also mentioned that no photos of Jack were kept at home, though they did have photos of Jerry.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WCT DMs#Barbara's ex]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Jerry Harmon===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:JerryHarmonandBarb.PNG|thumb|Jerry Harmon performing magic tricks with Barb assisting him, December 1968.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Jerry_Harmon_WRVA_Bio.JPG|thumb|Jerry's employee bio in a booklet published by radio station WRVA, 1950.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Walter Jerome &amp;quot;Jerry&amp;quot; Harmon, Jr.''' was Barbara's former lover and the alleged sinister stepfather of [[Cole Smithey]], Chris's older half-brother. Jerry was born on July 1st, 1931 in {{w|Springfield, Massachusetts}} but grew up in {{w|Millboro, Virginia}} and later Richmond. Jerry's father died when he was 18 months old.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;HarmonVDAdamo&amp;quot;&amp;gt;https://scholarlycommons.law.wlu.edu/va-supreme-court-records-vol195/14/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Much like Bob, Jerry had a technical background; he had graduated from {{w|Capitol Technology University}} (then Capital Radio Engineering Institute) in {{w|Laurel, Maryland}} and worked as a {{w|Broadcast_engineering|broadcast engineer}} at local radio station WRVA around 1950.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://worldradiohistory.com/Archive-Station-Albums/WRVA-25th-II.pdf WRVA 25th Anniversary booklet, W. Jerome &amp;quot;Jerry&amp;quot; Harmon bio top center of page 8.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In April 1951, Jerry fathered a child out of wedlock with Nancy Louise Janetos. The mother offered the child up for adoption until she and Jerry married in September of 1951. The couple eventually regained custody of their baby in 1953 following a legal case ''Harmon v. D'Adamo''&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;HarmonVDAdamo&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;  that was taken all the way to the Virginia Supreme Court. At some point, Jerry ended up in the military, which Cole has written about in two articles. According to Cole, Jerry was a combat medic during the Korean War before switching his role to train his soldiers in specialized combat techniques, such as decapitation using piano wire (with watermelons standing in for actual heads during this training). He was also a captain in the Civil Air Patrol and would pilot planes during and after the Korean War. One time, he was injured after crash-landing his plane during a fighter pilot mission in Korea.&lt;br /&gt;
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According to the adoption court case records, Jerry wished to further study medicine at {{w|University of Richmond}}, though it is unclear if this ever happened. Somewhat ironically, while married to Barb, Jerry served in different roles with the Richmond [[Chris and mental healthcare|Mental Health]] Association,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.newspapers.com/image/829546397/?terms=%22Jerry%20Harmon%22%20&amp;amp;match=1 Richmond Times-Dispatch 28 Jan 1973&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; where he was known for building a model of the human nervous system, which he brought to speaking engagements.&lt;br /&gt;
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Barbara claims to have married Jerry after her relationships with Jack Dale Smithey and Ran Coleman Yeatts. However, in the course of Cole's investigation into his family history, he was unable to find a marriage certificate.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Cole Smithey E-mails&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; That being said, there is a divorce record which claims that Jerry and Barbara married on 18 June 1968 in Washington D.C. and divorced on 7 January 1980 after one year of living apart, three weeks before Bob had divorced his first wife Patricia. In a Facebook comment from 2020, Cole claims that Jerry adopted him in 1966.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.facebook.com/blendonlodge339/posts/1084760088251976&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.colesmithey.com/articles/2017/09/operation-snowball-my-first-career-in-show-business.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I grew up in an abusive household with Barbara and my former stepfather Jerry, where physical and mental punishments ran the gamut from bare-assed beatings to cold showers to bizarre scenarios acted out with glee by two deeply neurotic adults... Even at a very young age, I knew that they would abandon me. They were both irresponsible and incompetent parents who exposed me to traumas that I would rather not remember.|Cole on Barb and Jerry's parenting skills.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Cole Smithey E-mails&amp;quot; /&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He might not have been the best dad, but Jerry was a humanitarian, as evidenced by his actions.|Cole being more charitable towards Jerry.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.colesmithey.com/articles/2017/09/operation-snowball-my-first-career-in-show-business.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:JerryBarb&amp;amp;Cole.jpg|thumb|Jerry Harmon with Barbara and young Cole in late 1960s/early 1970s]]&lt;br /&gt;
In both his article &amp;quot;[[Saturday Night Special]]&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;[[Operation Snowball|Operation Snowball: My First Career in Show Business]],&amp;quot; Cole would further elaborate on his first stepfather in his early life and later life (look above). According to Cole, Jerry was a professional magician for decades since he was 20, was a dedicated {{w|Freemasonry|freemason}} and was an active member of the Invisible Lodge. Jerry lived with Barbara in a second-floor apartment adjacent to the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond during the early 1970s. Jerry allegedly kept a gun in his nightstand drawer, which his stepson would play with, and was out cheating on his wife when an intruder came to the apartment, forcing Barb to retrieve and fire the gun to scare them off. The shot ricocheted off the floor and the apartment's steel door and nearly killed Cole as a result, hitting the wall a hair's breadth behind his head. Cole would later remove the first article from his blog.&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole describes how Jerry, Barb, and himself took part in an annual traveling magic show which performed at mental hospitals and veteran hospitals in Virginia every [[Christmas]] season from 1967 to 1976. The trio performed under the name of &amp;quot;King Karnak, Barbie, and Cole&amp;quot;. Each show would end with Jerry chopping off Barb's head with a guillotine. During this time and later of his life, Jerry worked as a radio announcer for WEZS radio station. Cole claimed that the former Virginia Governor {{w|Mills Godwin}} would pilot them around in a Cessna Twin-Engine plane to their magic show and Jerry would sometimes pilot the plane.&lt;br /&gt;
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Cole would further elaborate more about Jerry. He was an ambulance driver for the Richmond volunteer rescue squad; he also taught [[Jerkop|police recruits]] Standard First Aid before he began working for the mental health agency headquartered at Monument Avenue. Cole even said that Jerry cared about mental health movements so much that the whole purpose for the magic show performance at local hospitals were to provide entertainment for the patients, war veteran patients and mentally ill patients. Aside from this, Jerry was also the owner of his own company Karnak Enterprises, which specializes in production work, special effects and entertainment.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.colesmithey.com/articles/2017/09/operation-snowball-my-first-career-in-show-business.html&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.facebook.com/blendonlodge339/posts/1084760088251976&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://sjf.stparchive.com/Archive/SJF/SJF01221981P08.php&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Interestingly, Jerry married a woman named Rose LaNora Lotts in 1981, whom he first met when she was employed as an assistant for his &amp;quot;King Karnak&amp;quot; act, suggesting that she replaced Barb in more ways than one.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://sjf.stparchive.com/Archive/SJF/SJF01221981P08.php&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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File:JerryAndBarbDivorce.png|1980 1 7 - Barb and Jerry's divorce record&lt;br /&gt;
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==Life with Bob==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg|thumb|1980 6 7 - Borb's marriage license]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Barab?.JPG|thumb|Seen in the background of a 2020 photograph; this is probably Barb's wedding portrait]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|He is only interested in making things look like he did 'em, it was his idea and I really didn't have anything to do with it. Even when I help him. I get no credit for anything. He never gives me credit to my face. Or if he's talking to anybody else. Just like he tells you sometimes, “Well I don't get no help from your mother.”|Barb ranting about her husband to Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kacey Call 15]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Bob Chandler|Bob]] and Barbara met at &amp;quot;Maddy's Pub&amp;quot; in Richmond&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2012 Facebook posts#Fear of the future]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; (probably Matt's British Pub in Shockoe Slip, where Bob was a sing-along leader)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[IT TOOK A TALKING BEAR TO GIVE THE NAME A YOUNG BOY LOVES]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; one night in 1979. Barbara was there with friends and [[Bob]] was singing.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mumble 3.5&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Mumble 3.5]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Cole's friend Chuck, who worked at the bar, vividly recalled them being a pair of drunken dumbasses.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-1.PNG|24 July 2007 email #1 from Cole to Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; According to Chris, Barbara did the [[How to Talk to Girls|pursuing]]: &amp;quot;She chased him down the hall.&amp;quot; They married in 1980.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;Mumble 3.5&amp;quot; /&amp;gt; Chris claims that, &amp;quot;Barbara, In her own words, Married him because 'He owned a house'.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 11 May 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Later that year Bob was transferred from Richmond to [[Charlottesville]]. They settled in the outlying suburb of [[Ruckersville]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Barbara worked for several years as a financial secretary for numerous companies and businesses, included Virginia Power (VEPCO, today called [[Wikipedia:Dominion Energy|Dominion Energy]]) and First North American National Bank (partnered with {{w|Circuit City}}.)&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Date_with_Emily#Eating_spaghetti_and_conversing_(0:36:49%E2%80%930:44:46):~:text=Bob%3A%20And%20uh%2C%20she%20worked%20for%2C%20um%2CCircuit%20City%20for%20a%20while%20before%20she%20retired.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In September [[1993]], Chris and Bob moved from Ruckersville to Chesterfield County near Richmond so that Chris would be able to attend middle school at a mainstream school.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Chris's Wikipedia profile#His Early Years - Birth to 1992]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Barbara did not accompany them and remained in Ruckersville. Chris claimed that the separation allowed Barbara to continue working at her job until retirement and that she still visited Bob and Chris every weekend during the time she lived separately from them. After going into retirement when Chris was in the eighth grade (early 1996), Barbara came to live with her husband and son in Chesterfield.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 32#Chris is no stranger to stupid name changes]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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With both Barbara and Bob retired, they spent their twilight years from 2000 onward living in their Ruckersville home with Chris. It is difficult to ascertain what their relationship was like, but sources such as the tour of the house would suggest that Chris's parents neglected the [[14_Branchland_Court|family home]] and spent most of their time apart in separate areas of the house. According to Chris, Barbara had not had sex with Bob for at least two decades before his death. They began sleeping in different rooms sometime around the mid-2000s &amp;quot;because they're not as close as they should, used to or can be&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It can be presumed that as they got older, they grew more distant, but never to the point of wanting a divorce.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Barbara1993cropped.png|thumb|Barb c. 1993.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:0033-MommasBirthday.jpg|thumb|Age was not kind to Barb.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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===Abuse and manipulation===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|And he told me of mom saying she was going to pack up and leave the house, then I ran downstairs, finding her on the couch; she was soo miserable and sad; she talked of Wanting to Die, &amp;quot;you don't even have to change my clothes, you can just bury me in what I have on.&amp;quot; I was soo sad and crying and soo sorry for the way I misbehaved; we hugged and made up a bit.|An example of Barb's manipulation.&amp;lt;ref name=magfest&amp;gt;[[LoveYouLongTime E-mails, 2011-2012#Borb vs MAGfest]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb has had a long history of abusing and/or [[Chris and manipulation|manipulating]] her children. For example, she has often used threats of suicide to guilt Chris into obeying her whims. When Bob and Chris once tried to discuss cleaning the hoard with Barb, she responded by threatening suicide.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Barb's Hoarding]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
She also threatened suicide to her family during the [[Ivy]] Saga, supposedly as a response to the stress she was going through.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;IvyQ&amp;amp;A&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In an episode from 2011, when Chris failed to book himself a hotel room for [[MAGfest]], due to being broke, and planned to sleep in his car,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 29]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Barb prevented him from going by pointing out the, &amp;quot;...crime risk and chilly temperatures,&amp;quot; threatening to lock him out of their house, claiming that she would pack up and leave, and later told him she wanted to die. After Chris folded and went to his room to cry about it, she gave him a &amp;quot;half-payment of a copy of DC Universe Online to make up for not allowing [him] to go.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref name=magfest&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Later that year, after Chris became a [[tomgirl]], Barb tried to stop him from wearing dresses and make-up by telling him she feared he would kill her. She then ordered him to sit down, and she cut his hair.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;jackie26&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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It also appears that Chris's diet is not a concern for Barb. The night after the Chandler family moved back to Ruckersville, Bob and Chris refused a spaghetti dinner offered by Barb. As a response, Barb decided to forgo cooking for her family and has not made a meal for Chris since then.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;See emails sent by [[Jackie E-mails 24|Chris to Jackie on 24 and 26 April 2011]].&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In addition, Barb has used the specter of old age for her own gain, by manipulating Chris into thinking she will have a heart attack. This tactic has been used so often that Chris will panic and call 911 if Barb does not answer the phone when he calls her to check up on her when he is out of the house.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Welfare Check on Barbara]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; When Barb and Chris were both arrested for [[assault and battery]], Chris was extremely worried about her health, saying in an email:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|My mother fought the police in my defense, and she was handcuffed and I was emotionally distraught, I screamed and Screamed and SCREAMED, until an ambulance came for my mother to take her to UVA Hospital; she was okay, but her Blood Pressure was high.&lt;br /&gt;
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I prayed a LOT to Jesus for my release and safe return home with my mother. And I banged the cell door with both my feet while lying on a folding mattress on the floor (to get those bastards to let me see and talk to my mother&lt;br /&gt;
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Only after seeing my mother in her suit pass by my second cell, did I start to calm down. I was REALLY WORRIED about my mother and her health. She Needed Me, and I Needed Her.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] summed up Chris's relationship with Barb:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|Well, I don't think they talk very much. However, no, Chris is Barb's hand servant. She screams for him and he comes running. She has him change the newspaper the dogs shit on, she has him run errands to bring her stuff, and she used to have him haul her goodwill crap to the car, and then from the car into the house.&lt;br /&gt;
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I think Barb's yelling has gotten much less frequent nowadays. It seems like she's pretty feeble nowadays. Chris is just as scared of Barb as he used to be though. I don't think he realizes how much power he has over Barb nowadays.&lt;br /&gt;
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They're really physically affectionate in a strange way. Chris is pretty touchy feely with women because of habits he learned by spending time with Barb.&amp;lt;ref name=qualified&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Marvin)#Barb and Chris]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After Bob died, Barb's abuse of Chris escalated. She treated him as a slave and forced him to be on-call at all times. Around [[2013]], she forced Chris to move out of his bedroom, specifically so she could bark orders at him more efficiently, by throwing a tantrum and wrecking his possessions.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|a few months to a year before the fire, Chris stopped being permitted to sleep separately from Barb, in his bedroom. He had to sleep closer to Barb, because she needed to be able to yell for him to go to [[sheetz]] and buy her crap, and he wasn't able to hear her up in his bedroom. He kind of tried to resist at first, but then she got super pissed and threw a tantrum. She wrecked his room and like flipped everything over because he was trying to sleep on his own.&amp;lt;ref name=qualified/&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Financial exploitation===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|she is also being Very Annoying. “Christine, Let’s put this random good item on eBay. I REALLY Need the Money for not only my bill payments, but also, we need more food here. I am greedy too.”&lt;br /&gt;
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“OH! You sold something of Yours? I Want $50 From That”, she is constantly pestering and bugging me. Nowadays, Nearly every time she comes downstairs to talk or chill, my Impulsive, Subconscious feeling of her presence is Cringe and “Oh, No! She’s gonna Bug Me Again of the Da** Finances Again!”|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[September 2018 social media posts]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Pampering===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Yeah, but then my Mom is pretty much jealous of me loving another woman more than her.|Chris, describing his {{w|Oedipus complex}}.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mumble 10]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Yes, dear.|Chris, addressing Barb&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Parenting Interview 001.jpg|Barb and Bob's answers on a parenting quiz.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:0028-ChristopherWMom1.jpg|thumb|[[Affair with Mother|Horrifyingly qualifies as foreshadowing.]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
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According to Cole, Bob and Barbara left Chris alone every day for years with the [[abusive babysitter]] while going out drinking, effectively ignoring the manifestation of the earliest symptoms of autism.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-3.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 3]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; After Chris's initial diagnosis, and after their negligence was inevitably thrown back in their face, Barbara resorted to any means necessary to coax Chris into talking, most notoriously by bribing him with toys.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Song of Christian]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ImWorkingOnIt.png|thumb|left|Chris and Barbara in an intimate moment. A less subtle case of foreshadowing.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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While both of Chris's parents are largely responsible for his current state, Barb has more often than not been the most active in protecting Chris from recognizing any failure or shortcoming on his part, doing everything from being his sole commission with [[Cutco]] to going as his date to his [[Manchester High School#The Senior Prom|senior prom]].&lt;br /&gt;
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This pattern of accountability continues even into Chris's adult years. On at least two occasions, most notably after he was banned permanently, Barbara visited [[the GAMe PLACe]] attempting to protect and defend her little snowflake and argue his case with [[Michael Snyder]], but to no avail.&lt;br /&gt;
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As first evidenced by the &amp;quot;GAMe PLACe/4Chan picture&amp;quot; incident, she is extremely paranoid regarding Chris's online misadventures, likely because she fears that he'll [[Jerkhief|get]] [[Bagget|arrested]] and [[28 October 2011|go to prison]]. Given some of the violent states of some of his videos and Chris's [[Arrest|track record]], she is probably not too far from the truth. She may also suspect that Chris is a [[pedofork|pedophile]], as she [[Mumble 10| thought it was possible that he may have fallen for a ''To Catch a Predator''-esque sting operation]] during the [[Julie]] fiasco. She even seems to suspect that [[Megan Schroeder]], one of the few women Chris has known who ''was not'' out to troll him, is partially responsible for the persecution he has endured over the years. She does her part to keep his activities under control by acting as Chris's personal concierge, as seen when she interrogated [[Ivy]] for about half an hour before letting her speak to Chris.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;IvyQ&amp;amp;A&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[Ivy Q&amp;amp;A]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Barbara constantly babies Chris and tells him how handsome he is.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Sonichu Girls]] and [[White knight emails]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; She also told Chris that the reason he often &amp;quot;blanks out&amp;quot; or gets confused is not that he is an absent-minded, slothful buffoon, but that he is a &amp;quot;[[Chris and art|creative genius]] and is simply overwhelmed by having so many creative ideas&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kacey Call 12]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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However, it seems that even Barb has her limits. Like Bob, she was [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Coming out to my parents|ashamed of Chris's effeminate escapades]], claiming that she did not raise a daughter, and that &amp;quot;tomgirl&amp;quot; is not a thing. [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Mothers|She tried and failed]] to get Chris to stop wearing a bra and panties, even offering to pay him to stop.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Intimate behavior===&lt;br /&gt;
{{See also|Affair with Mother}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I, myself, Did have dreams of having sex with my mother.|[[August 2016 Facebook posts#Incestuous Thoughts|One result of Barb's parenting choices, as explained by Chris in August 2016.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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To cap off their relationship, Chris revealed in private conversations with multiple people that Barb has spooned with him.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGU4nSlX0M ''PVCC NEW info: on Chris and Barbara spoon eachother!'' (YouTube)]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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From [[Arthur Spatchcock]], on Chris sharing a bed with his mother:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxred|Story time, kids. Now most of us are aware of the fire; how Barb and Chris were displaced for some time while the house was getting renovated. You know how Chris was all whiny about his legos, right? Some getting melted, shit like that...well he kind of left out that his own bed was ruined as well given it had years of grease soaked into it because not bathing is so chic in his eyes. So when they got back home Chris didn't have his own bed anymore so he was sharing one with Barb instead. This came with the horrifying addendum that Barb wanted to spoon with him; I don't know if he was little spoon or big spoon but I know she was unimpressed and one night just unloaded on him angrily enough that Chris decided to get his own bed with his own money. So it goes without saying that from the time Chris and Barb got back home [[DStecks|until he got that grand]] he was sleeping in the same bed as his mother.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20190423212237/https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-4-11-e-begging-intensifies.19356/page-5&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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In August 2016, the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] observed Chris and Barb in public during a court hearing:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[26 December 2014]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgreen|Barb and Chris are way too physically intimate. It's one thing to describe their creepy relationship, it's quite another to watch it IRL. They hold hands and Chris is always putting his arm around her and rubbing her shoulders sensually. That's shit I'd do to someone I'd want to bang. Not a family member. It's weird.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|I am not a &amp;quot;Bates&amp;quot;. OMG.|Chris, in denial&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Misc texts]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Home.png|thumb|right|{{w|Apocalypse Now|&amp;quot;The horror. The horror.&amp;quot;}}]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb's habit of cuddling with Chris had been going on since Bob was alive, and he knew of it, but, due to Barb's manipulation, he was not able to stop her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://archive.is/zwWV9&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In [[August 2016]], Chris [[Honest content|admitted]] to having [[Chris and sex#Dreams of sex with Barb|incestuous fantasies about Barb]], prompting further analysis of their uncomfortably intimate relationship. Chris sometimes refers to her as [[Darling|&amp;quot;dear&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;darling&amp;quot;]], as he usually does for [[DoopieDoOver|would-be sweethearts]]. In his [[Twitch#CLog 04172018 - Buy My Toys|April 2018 Twitch stream]], when Chris got his mother to reluctantly say &amp;quot;[[Random-access humor|turn me loose, you silly goose]]&amp;quot; after hugging him, he commented that she &amp;quot;used to do that more [[Chris and English|flirtingly]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[June 2021]], not long before his [[Affair With Mother|incestuous relationship]] with his mom allegedly began, Chris, [[Honest Content|completely unprompted]], claimed in a [[Facebook]] post that he and Barb had never slept in the same bed:&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[June 2021 social media posts#CPU stuff and Barb]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Also, during the time my mom and I slept in my bedroom, we slept in Separate Furniture; she slept on the couch, and I slept in the bed. She and I Never ever had slept in the same bed together during those short months between ‘11 and ‘12.&lt;br /&gt;
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Never in the same bed. ⚡️💙⚡️}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Throughout 2021, Chris was feeling several instances of sexual frustration, hitting on [[MKRNightVee|several]] [[Annie Ikenberry|women]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|of]] [[Fiona|interest]]. It has gotten to the point where Chris would release all of this sexual tension on Barbara in mid-June, where he would continuously have sexual intercourse with her every three days. The context in which this has all happened is hazy at best, as information on the affair primarily came from an [[Incest Call|infamous call]] where he describes incestuous acts, and a few leaked chats Chris had with people. Throughout his affair with Barbara, Chris would hint at having such an affair online, calling Barbara a &amp;quot;sweetheart over 50&amp;quot;. Sometime after [[Fiona]] had leaked a chunk of the call on a Discord Server, which would soon after be posted onto various websites by her friends, several concerned observers would contact authorities about the affair, leading to his arrest.&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb spent the next few years after her son's arrest either living with relatives or back at 14 Branchland Court. Once Chris's charges were fully dropped, he was seen returning to his place of residence. Try not to think too hard about that.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Health problems==&lt;br /&gt;
===Mental===&lt;br /&gt;
Barb is understood by most to be a highly unstable woman, and worryingly, many of her behaviors can also be observed in Chris. Many believe her to be selfish and extremely narcissistic, on account of her baseless belief that she is [[Daniel Weston|descended from]] [[Anne Boleyn|Tudor high nobility]], and the pathological manner in which she lies and assigns blame to others, even in instances where the fault clearly lies with her. All of these traits are shared by Chris, with Barb's apparent encouragement. Additionally, many aspects of her relationship with Chris are consistent with [https://web.archive.org/web/20201112020245/https://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/mothers-with-narcissistic-personality-disorder/ narcissistic motherhood], which is a fascinating but complex topic, too lengthy to be discussed in detail here. Although Chris seems to be her [https://web.archive.org/web/20201112024302/https://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/golden-child-and-scapegoat/ &amp;quot;golden child&amp;quot;], she does not shy from mistreating him if he displeases her. This can be seen in an email to [[Jackie]] from May 2011; Chris claimed that his mother flew into a rage over his [[tomgirl]] inclinations, forcing him to submit to a haircut and [[Death threats|threatening to kill him]].&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;jackie26&amp;quot;&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Aside from her narcissism, Barb is also infamous to Christorians for her hoarding. During Chris's youth, she would create piles of clothes as tall as her son.&amp;lt;ref name=younger&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris has labeled her a &amp;quot;pack rat&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Father Call]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and on more than one occasion has indicated his displeasure at her hoarding and the consequent state of [[14 Branchland Court|their house]], although neither he nor Bob are known to have ever seriously challenged it. Barb compulsively hoards her purchases, particularly from Goodwill, which, by [[2009]], had rendered the living room uninhabitable.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Tour of Chris's House]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; When Bob was admitted to the hospital for the final time, he was quarantined for bug bites, ostensibly due to the conditions in the Chandler household.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Rocky Shoemaker call]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; The situation did not improve after Bob's passing, either. A [[Tour of Chris's House II|second house tour video]] made by Chris in [[2013]] revealed that Barb's hoarding had gotten severe enough to render entire rooms completely inaccessible, with some rooms literally full of stuff to within inches of the ceiling, and others reduced to crevices carved into walls of junk.&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb's hoarding was predicted by many to lead to disaster, and finally did on [[2014 house fire|10 January 2014]], when Chris accidentally started a house fire in the morning while trying to brew coffee in the bathroom, because the kitchen had been among the rooms blocked off by Barb's junk. Naturally, Barb's hoard provided ample kindling for the fire, and the house was severely damaged before the fire could be contained. In fact, given the state of the house in the second tour video, it's surprising that Chris and Barb were able to escape. Unsurprising, however, is the fact that one of the Chandlers' remaining cats died in the blaze, and one of the firefighters sent to the scene also suffered unspecified injuries.&lt;br /&gt;
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While the Chandlers [[Rental House|relocated]], pending repairs to their home, Barb's stuff went into storage. When repairs were completed a year later, Barb had all of it moved back to 14 Branchland Court, and is not known to have disposed of any of it, even though, by all accounts, most of what she and Chris were able to salvage was subjected to either fire, smoke or water damage, rendering it completely useless. This was confirmed in April 2017, when Chris mentioned the laundry room contained a &amp;quot;mountain pile&amp;quot; of 20-40 bags of dirty, damaged clothing that had not been washed since the fire occurred.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[April 2017 Facebook posts#Offering The Classic shirt for $12,000 minimum]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb has also been long speculated to suffer from a form of dementia due to later video appearances (mostly begging videos) showing her as struggling with forming sentences without a degree of prompting by Chris. Some initially speculated that Chris and Barb were taking advantage of her feeble, elderly state for the purpose of emotionally manipulating their audience into giving them more donations out of pity, as there were other videos where Barb appeared to be more cognizant and seemed to be able to handle her own finances to some degree. Some people close to Chris, such as [[The Captain]], have proclaimed her to not have dementia.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|She's fully there mentally.. She can drive, hold a conversation, etc. But yeah I can't explain that [[Creepy stare|damn stare]] lol|The Captain&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi_Farms_posts_(The_Captain)#Dementia Theory]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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However, this statement was made in [[2018]], and it's possible in the years following that she has developed a form of cognitive disability. In light of the [[Chris and sex#Incest|incest]] situation, in which Chris noted that she seemed &amp;quot;partially confused&amp;quot; on at least one of the occasions that he jumped her bones, how much of her situation was an act (presuming if any of it was) and how much is real has been called into question. Barb was evaluated at a hospital after being separated from her son and was able to return to her home after he was incarcerated, though it should still be noted that the bar for being deemed qualified enough to take care of oneself is low. [[Fan visits#Barb Visit|A later visit by Chris's fans]], where Barb did not know that she was being recorded, may have demonstrated that she has a degree of difficulty with cognitive function, or at least that she suffers from hearing loss. This would also somewhat explain the reason behind the [[November 2021]] traffic collision that she was involved in, where she failed to yield the right-of-way and got T-Boned by a tractor-trailer on the driver's side.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:2002DodgeCaravanCrashRecord2.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Since then, she's presumably had to rely on senior caregivers and extended family to live off of since [[Chris|her youngest]] is too preoccupied with [[Jail Saga|other matters]] to take care of her.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail_Letter_-_27_November_2021#cite_note-2]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In [[June 2022]], a letter from Chris confirmed that Barb is suffering from a &amp;quot;falling mentality&amp;quot;, although it's not clear what that entails.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 27 June 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Weight===&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Cheers01.jpg|thumb|Artist's depiction.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Like Chris, Barbara was [[obesity|obese]] at the time of his discovery by the internet. As late as the 1990s, Barbara was reasonably slim, but she, along with Chris, ballooned out as the 2000s rolled along, to the point of resembling English serial killer {{w|Rose West}}. Her massive size earned her the affectionate nickname '''Snorlax''' from the [[trolls]]. Barb's size may have led to her [[Chris and stress|sleeping a lot]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and usually skipping [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Church audio]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; &lt;br /&gt;
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However, according to eyewitness reports, Barbara lost weight in 2012.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[This is how the Trial went‎]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Her weight loss is visible in photos Chris took of her at a 2012 Mythbusters tour stop in Washington, DC.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:BarbMarch2012.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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This has continued into her old age. When she attended Chris's [[26 December 2014|court hearings]] throughout [[2015]], Christorians in attendance invariably noted that although she has lost weight, she appears to have low muscle mass; probably due to her sedentary lifestyle. In particular, at [[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing|his last hearing]], it was noted that Barb appeared to be growing increasingly frail and possibly senile, as she did not present as very responsive, and appeared much more submissive to Chris than she has otherwise been known to be. Chris also reportedly got short with her due to her poor hearing.&lt;br /&gt;
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In 2018, Chris decided to cash in on the Snorlax joke, claiming that his mother found it funny. He listed a plush Snorlax for sale on [[eBay]], at $200.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Hey, Everyone! Those in the meme-know: the times when my mother used to be large and lazy, everyone called her a Snorlax. Well, Barbara likes the joke too, and can laugh it off as she is doing a lot better these days. So, one time only, she signed a Snorlax Plush, and YOU can own it; a 20% More Awesome Collectible. A personal Certificate or Letter of Authenticity will be included. Thank you.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===&amp;quot;Holey buttocks&amp;quot;===&lt;br /&gt;
In a [[Twitter|tweet]] to Cole from June 29, 2013, Chris tells him that &amp;quot;[he] ought to be over here putting bandages on [their] Mom's holey buttocks&amp;quot;. It was not clear exactly what sort of problem this referred to, though it hardly sounds pleasant. On October 14, 2013, Chris elaborated in a Facebook post, stating, &amp;quot;my mother stresses me with her continuous rants about her damn miniature scabie flies, her suffering, the [[Financhu_Crisis|low finances]] and shit!!!&amp;quot;. The consensus was that the so-called &amp;quot;holey buttocks&amp;quot; were, in fact, lesions. It is now believed that Barb has (or had) a colony of parasitic mites, rather than flies, that have burrowed into her prodigious posterior. Naturally, while Barb is being eaten alive by parasites other than Chris, her child whines about having to take care of her.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Dental===&lt;br /&gt;
In August 2014, Chris begged for money on [[Facebook]], supposedly to pay [[List of toys|dental fees]], as he claimed his mother had cavities in her teeth that needed treatment. In July 2016, Barb herself begged for money.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris and Barb restarted begging for [[Lego|dental]] money in early 2018.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Hearing loss===&lt;br /&gt;
During Chris's 2014 court hearing for [[pepper spray]]ing a [[GameStop]] employee, [[Marvin]] was in attendance and observed Chris imply that Barb had hearing loss.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|After a bit, the PD went up to the judge and they called Chris up. Chris starts getting impatient with Barb. He said something like &amp;quot;are your ears clogged up??&amp;quot; and then &amp;quot;wanna follow me so you can hear what's going on?&amp;quot; Then she got up and trundled up there to accompany Chris.|Marvin}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 20 September 2021, Reddit user e1ectricthunder visited [[14 Branchland Court]] and had a brief conversation with Barb, during which Barb had difficulty understanding what was being said.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Fan visits#e1ectricthunder]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Memory loss===&lt;br /&gt;
In the [[July 2021]] [[Incest Texts]], Chris claimed that Barb has memory problems (and that his incestuous acts were helping to heal her).&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|She has had memory problems at time beforehand, yes, but she is being better stimulated in her mind and soul, and it Really Shows! Her mental processing speed is even going back up.|Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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===Aging===&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|They treat, they treat you very badly in there. She, she would, she, she, she would never want me to put her into a home, and I would not do that.|Chris, August 2014&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Catie Date Conversation Transcript]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Barb reacts to Quinn.jpg|thumb|200px|Barb, aged 76, tissue in hand, comforting Chris after [[Jessica Quinn]] broke up with him.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In November 2015, [[Family Needs to appreciate Family]] was uploaded to YouTube. The video is a plea for [[Cole Smithey]], [[David Alan Chandler]], and [[Carol Suzanne Chandler]] to visit Barb before &amp;quot;her time runs out&amp;quot;, even though the latter two are not Barb's progeny.&lt;br /&gt;
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On 13 July 2016, Barb unexpectedly starred in [[Donations Further Requested, Please|one of Chris's e-begging videos]]. In the minute-long video, she speaks slowly and almost inaudibly, hardly moving or blinking for the entirety of the video. While some have voiced concerns that this may be an early sign of dementia, it is just as likely that Barb, being a manipulative narcissist, was putting on an act for money. She has since re-appeared in numerous other e-begging videos from Chris, including multiple in [[August 2018]]; her appearance is frail and quite frazzled, and her sentences are often punctuated with tons of &amp;quot;ums&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;uhs&amp;quot;, along with extended pauses.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Barbovertime.gif|left]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Our signatures00001.png |thumb|right|Barb and Chris in March 2018, the former wearing the [[$400 gold necklace]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
In August 2016, [[Anna McLerran]] posted a photo on Facebook of herself and Barb together.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; In it, Barb appears to have aged significantly since her last appearance in the &amp;quot;Donations Further Requested, Please&amp;quot; video.&lt;br /&gt;
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In November 2016, Barb escaped injury when she slipped and fell.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[November 2016 Facebook posts#Barb slips and falls]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris has been increasingly tasked with helping Barb around the house in her elderly age. He stated in April 2017 that he was taking caregiving classes.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04272017]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Barb is seen in [[Minor Update, Handouts!]], a begging video, in which Chris demands money because Barb drinks costly &amp;quot;meal replacement shakes&amp;quot;, possibly referring to a drink such as Ensure.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Other===&lt;br /&gt;
In [[October 2009]], Barbara spent her birthday at the hospital with what the Chandlers thought was food poisoning.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;9 October 2009&amp;quot;&amp;gt;[[9 October 2009]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Barbara was diagnosed with {{w|colitis}}, a gastrointestinal disease characterized by the inflammation of the colon. It manifests in diarrhea and cramps. Which kind of colitis has yet to be determined. It seems the Chandler family's diet has finally come to affect her, and in order to survive she will have to change her eating habits; considering their stubbornness, this clearly will end badly.&lt;br /&gt;
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Hearing the plight of the Chandler family, [[Trolls|fans]] of Sonichu created the website &amp;quot;Barbara Chandler Has AIDS&amp;quot; to spread awareness regarding AIDS and to collect donations for research foundations and charities.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[https://web.archive.org/web/20201009073942/https://sites.google.com/site/barbarachandlerhasaids/home &amp;quot;Barbara Chandler Has AIDS&amp;quot; Awareness Website]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris himself denied the rumor.&amp;lt;ref name=&amp;quot;9 October 2009&amp;quot;/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 23 August 2013, Chris claimed that Barbara had been afflicted with breast cancer but managed to survive.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Facebook#Breast Cancer Awareness]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He did not give details about when was she diagnosed with the ailment, at what stage it was, or what kind of treatment Barb received.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[November 2020]], Chris mentioned that Barbara had an appointment with a cardiologist.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Place chats (November 2020)#Chris's Body Shakes]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Legal problems==&lt;br /&gt;
On [[28 October 2011]], Chris and Barb were caught in an incident with [[The GAMe PLACe]] and were actually arrested with several serious charges, with Barb's including felony assault and failure to stop. The two were later released on bail. After a succession of court hearings, Barb, along with her son, was arraigned on her felony charges on 10 July 2012. She was sentenced to community service and was put on a two-year probation, as well as being ordered to pay Michael Snyder's medical bills. When informed of the latter fact during the trial, Chris explained that his mother, a retired, obese, seventy-year-old woman, would take care of the charges for him. No one was particularly surprised at this revelation.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Financial problems==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Barb's blankets ebay listings photos 01.jpg |Barb advertising blankets for sale in summer 2018.|thumb|250px]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb lives off social security ({{w|Retirement Insurance Benefits}}) and a small pension from her old job; about $14,000 a year.&amp;lt;ref name=charbincome&amp;gt;[[CWCki Forums posts (Cousin Al)#Chris and Barbara's Income]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In 2016, Barb was sued by a Discover bank in Norfolk for not paying [[debt]]s. This came to light on [[March 2016|March 14]], [[2016]], when sharp-eyed [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwis]] noticed that she had a hearing on March 16. Since grave neglect of her debt was likely the cause of her being taken to court, it was widely assumed that she would ignore the summons too. Instead, once the court records were updated, many were surprised to see that not only had Barb attended, but she had represented herself, too. Equally unsurprisingly, this bold move failed to pay off, and Barb was still sentenced to pay $4,706.93.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Barb discover bank result.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Five months later, Barb was sued again, this time by Capital One, for the same reason. The hearing in September resulted in a Default Judgement against Barb, meaning that she did not bother attending. She owes Capital One $15,906.99.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:Barb vs Capital One Bank result.png]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Her out-of-control debt was the catalyst for the [[Financhu Crisis]] of 2016.&lt;br /&gt;
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From June through July of that year, Barb appeared in three videos:&lt;br /&gt;
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*[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Donations Requested, Please]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In the videos, she and Chris beg for donations, claiming to need money for her asthma medication and dental work (although they receive a combined amount of $2,500 per month from the government&amp;lt;ref name=charbincome&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; and their costly hoards are clearly visible behind them). See the Appearances section for more appearances by Barb.&lt;br /&gt;
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She has failed to take accountability for ruining the family's finances, trying to pin the blame on Chris,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Patreon announcement]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; even though her known debt of over $20,000 is much larger than Chris's.&lt;br /&gt;
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She and Chris had an inheritance from Bob worth &amp;quot;tens of thousands of dollars&amp;quot; when he passed away, but Barb decided to frivolously spend it on [[Rob Bell]] in an attempt to gain exoneration for her [[assault and battery]] charge.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the summer of 2018, she joined forces with Chris in selling stuff on [[eBay]], including items from her hoard and her autographs, which some fans bought.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Appearances==&lt;br /&gt;
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===In ''Sonichu''===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Bc.PNG|thumb|200px|Chris gets to live out his fantasy of being (and having) an adequate son.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]], Barbara makes a brief appearance in &amp;quot;Classic Sonichu Strips&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]], the male [[Dating education#In Sonichu|Dating Education]] students are given Barbara dolls to talk to.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the 2015 revisions to [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris wrote out Blanca's character and replaced her with his mother. &lt;br /&gt;
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According to the [[CWCipedia]], [[Sandy Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children]] go to Anneweston Elementary School.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[CWCipedia]] on [https://web.archive.org/web/20130831123750/http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Wild_Sonichu Wild Sonichu]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; It is unknown whether or not Sonichu and Rosechu's children still go to that school after their [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children#Sonichu and Rosechu's children|evolution]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Chandlers &amp;amp; Sonichus.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], Barb is photoshopped into a &amp;quot;family photo&amp;quot; alongside Chris, Bob and the various Chus.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Borb, Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb|In ''Sonichu'' #12.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]], Barb is in a set of pages that is a cross between Chris writing an autobiographical account of himself coming out as a tomgirl to his parents and a tribute to his late father. &lt;br /&gt;
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Due to Chris's Oedipal complex, Barb is depicted as much more youthful than Bob, even though she was nearly 70 at the time. She is also drawn as being freakishly tall compared to Chris and Bob, despite being shorter than both in real life, though this may just be Chris's inability to keep his characters properly proportioned at work. Barb expresses surprise at her son's announcement of being trans. Chris states that she was &amp;quot;hesitant for a long while&amp;quot;, but &amp;quot;got used to my subtle and more changes&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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This is a drastic understatement, as the real-life Barb tried to stop his [[tomgirl]] lifestyle in ways including suicide threats, guilt trips (by claiming that she was worried Chris would kill her), paying him to stop cross-dressing, and even ordering him to submit to a haircut. If her attitude towards him cooled, it was only out of resignation rather than acceptance. Evidence of this is when she became angry with him again after finding out that he had successfully changed his name in 2016.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (MasterDisaster)#Name Change Drama]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Chandler family as ponies.png|200px|thumb|left|Barb, pictured at left, as ''Sugar Darling'', in a [[My Little Pony|MLP]]-inspired drawing from [[August 2017]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In August 2017, Chris unveiled a drawing of the Chandler family depicted as [[My Little Pony]] characters, saying they will make further appearances in [[Sonichu 12-9|''Sonichu'' #12-9]].&lt;br /&gt;
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===As toys===&lt;br /&gt;
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File:LegoSnorlax.jpg|As [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]] sees her in [[Lego]] form.&lt;br /&gt;
File:BarbAmiibo.jpg|Barb [[Amiibo]], complete with cleavage, which Chris offered for sale on [[Etsy]] in [[November 2015]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:Barb drawing Nov. '15.jpg|Promo drawing for the Amiibo.&lt;br /&gt;
File:BarbaraCard.jpg|As a [[TSSSF]] card. Note that Chris calls her a &amp;quot;redneck tomboy&amp;quot; and her power is to steal a shipping partner.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Audio===&lt;br /&gt;
* Private Skype chat with [[Sarah May]].&lt;br /&gt;
* 4 [[February 2009]], [[Mumble 2]]: Barbara denies singing while vacuuming [[Chris's room]].&lt;br /&gt;
* 17 [[February 2009]], [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 2]]: Barbara talks to Chris but when Julie wants to talk to her, Barbara says she isn't &amp;quot;able to talk to anybody right now&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[March 2009]]: Barbara takes over the phone from Chris when Clyde [[Clyde#Prostitutes|calls after the date with Emily]].&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Kacey Call 15]]: Chris keeps [[Kacey]] on the phone for nearly fourteen minutes while Barb talks about the value of [[Chris and his Ego|humility]], her poor health, and her relationship with Bob, among other things.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[November 2009]], [[Kacey and Liquid Call]]: Barbara tells Chris to &amp;quot;just hang up on the bitch!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
* 10 [[August 2010]], [[Matthew Noble call]]: Barbara claims that Megan &amp;quot;lied&amp;quot; to Chris and abruptly hangs up mid-sentence. Throughout the call, she can be heard denying that she and Bob are the slightest bit in the wrong. At one point she complains about the time Michael Snyder kicked her and Chris out of the GAMe PLACe following Chris's final ban from the store.&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Prank calls]]: Barbara yells in the background and foreground of several prank calls.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Videos===&lt;br /&gt;
{{Incomplete}}&lt;br /&gt;
Barbara has appeared in several videos: off-camera in the [[Christian Weston Chandler Interview]], and on-camera (for the first time) in [[You're Always Pretty]]. [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004|Two decade-old videos]] were leaked in December 2014 showing the Chandlers celebrating Christmas. Another video of her was recorded by a [[troll]] as she and Chris left court after his hearing in February 2015.&lt;br /&gt;
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She has most frequently appeared during the [[Financhu Crisis]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help|Two more]] [[Donations Requested, Please|videos]] were released in June 2016 showing Chris begging for donations to buy asthma pills for Barbara. Barbara is shown practically dead in both of these videos so [[Chris and Death|god only knows what will happen in the near future.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In a [[Donations Further Requested, Please|video]] released on 13 July 2016, Barbara joins her son in shamelessly e-begging. Her voice tired and hoarse, mouth agape, she stares directly into the camera like a deer caught in the headlights. &lt;br /&gt;
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She resumed begging in a [[EMERGENCY HOME UPDATE|video]] from April 2017, in which she wears a [[$400 gold necklace]] while asking Chris's audience to give him $1,000 in exchange for his old [[Stamps|stamp album]].&lt;br /&gt;
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She next appeared in [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]], when she walked in while Chris was recording. &lt;br /&gt;
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After more uploads from Chris, Barb starred in another begging video uploaded on 24 May 2017, titled [[We Said Donations No Less than $1 00, US, Please]]. Chris removed the video the next day after people threatened to report him for elder abuse.&lt;br /&gt;
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After the last failed attempt of getting donations, Barb and Chris engaged in yet another begging video on 16 June 2017, titled [[We need immediate funds, please]]. Ironically, she wore both the [[$400 gold necklace]] and a pearl necklace.&lt;br /&gt;
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Almost a month had passed, without any appearances from Barb. With Chris getting decent amounts of funds from his [[Patreon]] account, there no longer seemed to be a desire to beg. On 14 July 2017, she makes a small voice-only cameo in a [[Soda Awawawawa Puccho Candy Response]], screaming at him for not closing the front door. She also comments in [[Solar Eclipse Vlogs]], asking Chris if he's ready to go back inside after the eclipse ends.&lt;br /&gt;
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Barb's first appearance on video in 2018 was in [[Selling Vintage Comic Books (Cole Smithey’s Comic Books)]]. She appeared a couple of weeks later in [[Our signatures]] to demonstrate that her signature, a key selling point in the comic sales, was real. On 9 April, Barb appeared for the seventh time during the Financhu Crisis to beg in [[Buy Our Things off of my eBay to help us, Please.]] &lt;br /&gt;
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On 16 April, a [[April 2018 Paid Video Requests|bizarre video of a few seconds of Barb standing in a doorway]] was posted to the [[CWCki Club]]. On the 17th, she appeared as a guest on Chris's [[Twitch]] stream.&lt;br /&gt;
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On 8 May, Barb appeared in [[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE!]]. Two days later, Barb appeared in [[May 2018 Paid Video Requests|paid videos giving shout-outs to school shooters Nicholas Cruz and Adam Lanza]].&lt;br /&gt;
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She watched Chris spray-paint his shoes (and his bedroom carpet) in [[Shoe Colouring]], sitting in the same room with poor ventilation.&lt;br /&gt;
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In the summer of 2018, she appears in multiple videos to promote her partnership with Chris's eBay business: [[My Mother WORKED Hard, Spent Hard; Needs Money NOW.]], [[Barbara Chandler will be making out autographed photos and posters.]] and [[Barbara’s Blankets]]. She then begged for her car payment money in [[Mother needs a car payment]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Barb confirms she isn't dead]] was her next appearance, a rare non-begging video.&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris (possessed by [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]]) got Barb to appear on camera in [[Watching TF2 Analysis Anarchy Red Vs Blue Part 3]] (12 June 2020).&lt;br /&gt;
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==Gallery==&lt;br /&gt;
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BarbWhenWeWereYoungSchool1.jpg|As we were young - School yearbook section, with photo of toddler Barb.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbWhenWeWereYoungSchool2.jpg|As we were young - Another photo of child Barb.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraLibraryClub56.jpg|1956 Library Club - Barbara standing third row, second to the left.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbJVBasketball.jpg|1956 Junior Varsity Basketball Team - Barbara sitting first row left.&lt;br /&gt;
1957BarbaraFHA.png|1957 Future Homemakers of America - Barbara sitting on grass first row very right, as seen with a red star.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbSafetyPatrol.jpg|1957 Randolph Henry safety bus patrol - Barbara kneeling, as seen with a red star.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraLibraryClub1957.jpg|1957 Library Club - Barbara the treasurer for Library Club.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraLibraryClub58.jpg|1958 Library Club - Barbara standing 7th to the right.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraSpanishClub1958.jpg|1958 Spanish Club - Barbara standing behind a few rows, as seen with a red star.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraCheerleader.jpg|1958 Cheerleaders - Barbara as a cheerleader.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraFHA1.jpg|1960 Future Homemakers of America 1 - Barbara the FHA treasurer sitting on the couch second to the left.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraFHA2.jpg|1960 Future Homemakers of America 2 - Barbara the FHA treasurer standing the first row in the middle.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraMonogramClub.jpg|1960 Monogram Club - Barbara standing first row, third to the left.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraSpanishClub.jpg|1960 Spanish Club - Barbara standing high up, as seen with a red star.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraBusPatrol.jpg|1960 Randolph Henry safety bus patrol - Barbara the reporter for RH safety bus patrol, wearing glasses standing first row left.&lt;br /&gt;
BarbaraSeniorDirectory.jpg|Barbara's senior year directory.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Barbarafamilycensus1950.png|Barb and her family, 1950 census.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Babs1956.PNG|Barb's 8th grade (or &amp;quot;Pre-Freshman&amp;quot;) photo.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Babs1957.PNG|Barb's freshman photo from high school.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Babs1958.png|Barb's sophomore photo from high school.&lt;br /&gt;
File:JerryBarb%26ColeDisasterHeadquarters.jpg|King Karnak, Barbie &amp;amp; Cole at the backstage of &amp;quot;Disaster Headquarters&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.png|Chris's family tree up to his great-great-grandparents.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0002-1-Baby Chris and Mommy.jpg|Barbara with baby Chris. Oh, how full of hope and promise.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0027-ChristopherWMom2.jpg|&amp;quot;Talk, you little idiot!&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0026-ChrisAndMom.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0107-ChristianWMom.jpg|This is when ''[[The Simpsons]]'' went downhill.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0096-MomRetire4.jpg|Barbara's retirement party from secretarial services at Virginia Power in 1996.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg|DVD, note 2]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0029-BarbaraWithDrinks.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0113-MomsBirthday97-1.jpg|From her 55th birthday.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0229-ChristianAndMomInClass.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0037-BarbaraInGreen.jpg|Nothing says the 80s like a woman in a power suit and a lady tie.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0041-BarbaraCorinaTomAndHerriet.jpg|Barb with [[Aunt Corrina]], Uncle Tom, and Aunt Harriet.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0042-BarbaraCorinaHerrietAndElvis.jpg|The King left the building when he started to notice the foul smell of the house.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0618-BarbaraIs60-1.jpg|Poor Barb, Chris put [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] on HER birthday cake.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0074-BarbaraWSonicDoll.jpg&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0540-Prom2.jpg|It was originally believed this image was from Chris's graduation. Turns out this is from his senior prom, where he took his mom as his date.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:0549-Prom11.jpg|Barb talking to [[Tiffany Gowen|Tiffany]], one of Chris's [[gal pal]]s, at the prom.&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Babura.PNG|Barb [[You're Always Pretty|is always pretty]].&lt;br /&gt;
BarbMarch2012.png|Barb in 2012, having devolved from a Snorlax into a Munchlax.&lt;br /&gt;
File:SnoopyDoobieDoo.png|With [[Snoopy]] in [[2013]].&lt;br /&gt;
Image:Barb 2016.JPG|During 2016.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Chandlers.Png|Barb and Chris. Barb is interrupting Chris during a live [[YouTube]] stream.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Certificate of Authenticity with Barb's signature.jpg|Barb's signature on a Certificate of Authenticity, included with [[2018 Sales Listings|the purchase of one of Cole's comics]].&lt;br /&gt;
Barb autograph photo listing.jpg|Barb with an autographed photo of herself.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Chris's 37th birthday 2.jpg|Barb during Chris's 37th birthday.&lt;br /&gt;
File:BarbPhoto20Aug.jpg|[[August 2019]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:Barb 11-19-2019.jpg|Barb in [[November 2019]].&lt;br /&gt;
File:Barbjune2020.jpg|Barb during [[Analysis_Anarchy_Reaction_Livestreams#Watching_TF2_Analysis_Anarchy_Red_Vs_Blue_Part_3|a livestream]] in [[June 2020]]&lt;br /&gt;
File:Barb-Instagram-4.jpg|&amp;quot;And Barbara Anne Weston Chandler [[Chris and reality|still looks good for her wise age]]. [[May 2021|#happymothersday2021]]&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
File:July11BarbPhoto1.jpg|Barb in [[July 2021]], showing off her new haircut [[July_2021_social_media_posts#Barbie_Chan|done by none other than Chris]]. [[Affair with Mother|Look at the fear in her eyes.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Barb in June 2022 drawing.png|Drawing of Barb by Chris in [[June 2022]]&lt;br /&gt;
barb2023.png|Barb, age 81, in [[August 2023]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1618sah/myself_and_uatahsia_drove_to_virginia_and_we_had/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==See Also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Affair with Mother]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Bob Chandler]]&lt;br /&gt;
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		<title>Praetor</title>
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&lt;div&gt;{{Unreliable|type=cred|The members are all infamous attention seekers, and merely got in touch with Chris with the sole intent of piggybacking off his notoriety on the internet.|The members will occasionally say edgy and disgusting things purely for shock value.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right?|Caden Peck&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:PraetorLogo.jpg|400px|thumb|Praetor's logo]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cadenimagehighquality.png|300px|thumb|Caden Peck, leader of Praetor]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Praetor LLC''' (sometimes referred to as &amp;quot;'''The Praetors'''&amp;quot;) is a group of edgy college-aged businesspeople led by '''Caden Peck''' (born September 27, 2002), also known as '''tinyhorse01'''. They have claimed to exist for 3 years before coming in contact with Chris, working with creative types, supposedly including working in order to officiate the {{w|Republic of Molossia}} as an official nation. However, the truth of this is unknown, and the business is known to be incredibly unprofessional.&lt;br /&gt;
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They came in contact with Chris to produce and sell ''Sonichu'' and CWC themed products on their [[Etsy]] store [[OfficialCWCmart]], with Chris's permission, giving him a cut of the profits in exchange. In mid-December 2020, Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. As of [[2023]], they have had more than 3000 sales and have made hundreds of thousands of dollars out of OfficialCWCmart. &lt;br /&gt;
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During the [[Jail Saga]], Chris continued communicating with them, mailing them art from jail, which they added to [[OfficialCWCmart]]. They began coming up with plans to help Chris, one of which included brainstorming a $150,000 fundraiser to buy out [[Barb]] from [[14 Branchland Court]]. Praetor has since expanded to other products, some produced by the group, and others by Chris. Chris's income split for products made by him is unknown, although it is safe to assume that they took most of the Cut. &lt;br /&gt;
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Upon Chris getting released from jail, they have become even more involved, as seen in the highly edited new videos and new photos of Chris added to [[OfficialCWCmart]]. In [[November 2023]], evidence hinting at Chris living at a house which Caden is listed as one of two buyers - or at the very least using that house as a studio - emerged on [[Kiwi Farms]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Members==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Praetor_Instagram_tags_copy-min.png|300px|thumb|From left to right, Annie Ikenberry, most likely Cabell, Caden Peck, and Christine Chandler. Not pictured are Owen Sundstrom and [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{Quote|In the group, Annie is very much psychically able. Owen is like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs. Cabell is also psychically inclined, but she's the artist. Caden is very open-minded, and the brains and business.|Chris&amp;lt;ref name=naughtdms&amp;gt;[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Whilst Caden leads the group, and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there are numerous other members in the group. &lt;br /&gt;
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===Annibelle Ikenberry===&lt;br /&gt;
'''Annibelle &amp;quot;Annie&amp;quot; Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') is an erocosplayer and OnlyFans camgirl. According to Chris, she is &amp;quot;psychically able&amp;quot;. In a 17 [[February 2021]] discussion with the [[Watchmen]], Chris confessed that he had considered her for a possible relationship.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Lonely feelings]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Owen Sundstrom===&lt;br /&gt;
'''Owen Scott Sundstrom''' ('''owen_sundstrom''') is a co-founder of Praetor, according to [[Larry Vaughn]]. He was present at the [[Goochland Library Sermon]], where he was photographed posing with Chris. He also appears to be the photographer who took the picture of Chris and Praetor at the Chinese restaurant. According to Chris, Owen is &amp;quot;like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs&amp;quot;. Owen, along with Caden, suggested a link between the Mayan calendar and Chris's [[The Place chats - Lore Mashup|dream about a golden disc]].&amp;lt;ref name=naughtdms&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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===Cabell===&lt;br /&gt;
'''Cabell''' is described by Chris in the [[Naught DMs]] as &amp;quot;psychically inclined, but she's the artist.&amp;quot; Unlike the other members of Praetor, virtually nothing is known about her. When the [[Incest call]] leaked, there was speculation that Cabell was a nickname for [[Bella]]; however, Chris's mention of Cabell in the DMs predates his earliest interaction with Bella. Cabell is most likely the blonde woman featured in the [[Instagram]] photo of Praetor and Chris at a Chinese restaurant. Initially, Praetor mistagged the blonde woman, linking an unrelated account to her. &lt;br /&gt;
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Given that Chris has referred to Cabell as the artist, it can be assumed that she creates the medallions, as Chris has mentioned that the artist of the group was the one who created them.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Isabella Loretta Janke===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Isabella Loretta Janke}}&lt;br /&gt;
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'''Isabella &amp;quot;Bella&amp;quot; Loretta Janke''', a troll most infamous for her horrid actions and [[Incest Call|revealing Chris's incestuous affair with his mother]], had relations with Praetor. They commissioned her to animate [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation of Chris and the Sonichu characters, which Chris uploaded to his YouTube channel.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Beginning==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:OGGoldenMedallion.jpg|250px|thumb|The golden medallion Praetor gave to Chris]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Praetor3.jpg|300px|thumb|Chris in a meeting with Caden]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|I've always known about Christine. She always struck me as unique in the sense that she is probably one of the most famous people ever who has profited the least from her fame.&lt;br /&gt;
When I heard that she had tried to launch a store before, but been overwhelmed, I knew that there was a chance at profit. I run almost everything I do privately, so I reached out to Christine myself.|Caden&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 21 [[September 2020]], a &amp;quot;trio of fans&amp;quot; came to Chris's door with a golden [[Medallion|Sonichu medallion,]] crafted by &amp;quot;the young lady of the group, with paint that had a mixture of 24K gold in it&amp;quot;. The &amp;quot;tall boys&amp;quot; had a business proposition for Chris, that with their mold press, they could mass produce and sell Sonichu medallions.&amp;lt;ref name=placeassociates&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#The &amp;quot;New Associates&amp;quot; (and Helena Hate)|The &amp;quot;New Associates&amp;quot; (and Helena Hate)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris accepted, deeming them as trustworthy, and noted that he had a vision earlier where an artist crafted medallions for him.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|They have their business based in Goochland.&lt;br /&gt;
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And I could tell by soul-reading them that their intentions were legit, honest and true.|Chris&amp;lt;ref name=placeassociates&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 [[September 2020]], Chris made a post on [[The Place]] [[Discord]] server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some &amp;quot;new associates&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref name=placeassociates&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; He mentions that they were going to talk about &amp;quot;the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while.&amp;quot; After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.&lt;br /&gt;
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On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the [[Watchmen]] again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Patreon_Troubles,_Chris's_Online_Social_Life,_%22The_Boys,%22_Praetor_LLC_Revealed|Patreon Troubles, Chris's Online Social Life, The Boys, Praetor LLC Revealed]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a &amp;quot;lore bible&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Lore_Bible_Discussion|Lore Bible Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. On the 15th, Praetor's [[Discord]] account, run by Caden Peck, joined the [[The Place]] Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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{{collapsible|Chat Excerpts|{{quoteboxnavy|We'll initially be only selling Medallions. These act as a trial run, testing market interest. Along the way, we will add more products. These will include but not be limited to comics, cards, and possibly amino figurines.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|It costs about 3 dollars per medallion. We sell them for 25 apiece, as to match our competitors. Etsy brand imposters are selling Medallions for 25-30. To uproot them, we must match or go below their prices.&lt;br /&gt;
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If business is good, we'll increase sales by discounting them, selling them for 15-20}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|In order to emulate Sonichu's original medallion, they are stamped in a mold we made and baked. Then, painted. We mail them from our own company pocket for a while, as it is cheaper then registration with a mailing company. When we get big enough, we can afford to register and get discounted shipping services}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|We've not shipped any yet, so we only have estimates. It won't be more then a few dollars.&lt;br /&gt;
The medallions are not large not heavy.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|We signed a confidentiality agreement with Sonichu, as we are a company. If Sonichu gives her consent, I can disclose profit splits and profit estimates.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy| We've worked with creative types for about 3 years now. You may recognize a few of my more eccentric clients!&lt;br /&gt;
Have any of you ever heard of Molossia?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxnavy|We don't only do merch. We helped him find someone to write a dissertation on the micronation's sovereignty.&lt;br /&gt;
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He's using that to try and officiate his territory as a nation.&lt;br /&gt;
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More power to him, I suppose.&lt;br /&gt;
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What do y'all do? I'm excited to be working with this team.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|I used to have a website, but due to domain costs I took it down. When it comes to clients, I find that it's easier to find eccentric people then to have them find you. If you're interested in partnership or a meeting, I've been transitioning us to social media. We have a new twitter and an Instagram.&lt;br /&gt;
Our email is llcpraetor@gmail.com.}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxnavy|@praetor_llc and the Twitter is @praetor&lt;br /&gt;
With social media, I can find my own clientele. Considering that I'm here, seems like things are working out!}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On another brand named 'Praetor LLC':&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxnavy|Oh no, we know about Praetor LLC. They're actually not trademarked, we've talked to them. Their site is a homedone project. The only internationally trademarked Praetor brand is Praetor Technologies.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 16 October, they arranged for Chris to give [[Goochland Library Sermon|a sermon at Goochland library]], where he spewed his [[Dimensional Merge]] delusions. This spiel was done in front of a large screen displaying the Praetor logo. When it was eventually released on YouTube, it started with a loud dramatic opening, commissioned from an unknown source. They also added sarcastic captions, mocking Chris. The Praetor members took photos with Chris after the sermon.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:Tinyhorse02.png|With Caden.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Praetor4.jpg|With Owen.&lt;br /&gt;
File:Praetor5.jpg|Arguably one of the most iconic images of Chris out there, appearing on news articles and on his Wikitubia page&amp;lt;/gallery&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/center&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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On 19 October, Praetor's presence was made known to the public, when they released multiple photos of Chris and the members of Praetor at a Chinese restaurant. One of these images included the members' Instagram handles, making it very easy for them to get doxxed.&lt;br /&gt;
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File:PraetorLLC.jpg|&lt;br /&gt;
File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|With [[Instagram]] handles&lt;br /&gt;
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On 13 [[November 2020]], Chris uploaded [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation that Praetor had commissioned from [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. After this, Bella began regularly chatting with Chris, [[Incest Call|eventually becoming rather infamous for unrelated reasons]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|left|300px|thumb|Praetor somehow manages to make the medallion look ''worse'']]&lt;br /&gt;
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In December, Praetor created an Etsy shop for Chris, [[OfficialCWCmart]], where they sell Sonichu medallions and other merchandise. The medallions sold by them manage to look much worse than any medallions made by Chris, and are completely inconsistent in how they look.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the &amp;quot;Chris Chan Style.&amp;quot; Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. A month later, they had made $5,900 worth of sales on their medallion product,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; though information such as their operating costs is unknown, as is how much profit the group members had after expenses. In mid-January 2021, Chris confirmed having received nearly $400 in small cash amounts for his share.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:GoldenChurchmedallion2.jpg|300px|thumb|Chris with a Golden Medallion]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:RedRobe.jpg|300px|thumb|Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robe, sold an year after the server died out]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Praetor also created a [[Discord]] server, [[Golden Church of Sonichu]], which was created for anyone who bought their Golden Medallions on their Etsy shop. The server served as another outlet for Chris to rant about his delusions. Caden often posted in there too, giving insight into Praetor's bizarre plans.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|-Christine has fully greenlit [REDACTED]'s video game. Please message Chris directly as soon as possible, as Christine would like to provide some direction with the game's storyline.&lt;br /&gt;
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-The Praetor Flamethrower will be stress-tested this upcoming week at a local firing range sponsoring us. Please standby for future details.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Christine has approved the future sale of Potions blessed by her. These are to be sold for less than $17 apiece, but a fixed price has not yet been decided. We need help finding cheaply shipped glassware in bulk. As cheap as possible is best, as we are going to be selling 3-4 kinds of potions stocked at at least 12 each. Bottles must be at very least 4oz, at most 16oz.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Christine's Golden Medallions have already sold out. Expect more members soon.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Test footage for [REDACTED] has been filmed in order to see if she can cgi a Sonichu next to Chris, allowing us to feature a Sonichu in the upcoming Chris Chan Movie. Please complete this as soon as possible, and we will kiss you on the mouth.|Caden&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Upon hacking into [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]'s account, [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|a short clip]] showing the behind-the-scenes process of the Chris Chan Movie was leaked. It shows Chris posing as a Praetor member commentates, telling him specific poses to do, while he's supposedly standing next to [[Rosechu]], who would be added in post as a CGI character.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Taser Controversy==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Taser}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png|300px|thumb|The Taser]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.&amp;lt;ref name=tasercall&amp;gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 15 [[November 2020]], Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!|Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/ (archive: https://archive.ph/K6ojQ)&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:praetor cart.jpg|thumb|left|250px|The image featured in the instagram post]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed tasers.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].&amp;lt;ref name=thinking&amp;gt;[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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The Watchmen confronted Caden Peck about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their tasers, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling.&amp;lt;ref name=thinking&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have [[Taser Discussion|a call]] about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.&lt;br /&gt;
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Near the end of the call, [[Watchmen]] member [[Val]] jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone is shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself. &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]] then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached [[GiBi]], who made a video claiming it was fact.&lt;br /&gt;
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Naught then doxxed Caden on the forum, which led to [[Larry Vaughn]] making multiple posts sharing his experiences with Praetor. While many were skeptical of Vaughn's claims, due to him arguably being an unreliable narrator, his [[Larry Vaughn DMs|DMs with Chris]] reveal that he did in fact have a phone call with Caden, meaning his post is most likely true&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Larry Vaughn DMs#Coded Message for Twitter Users]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Still hard to believe that [Caden Peck] legit thought that I was the representative of a group of rich folks that would buy shitty medallions so we could roleplay with Chris in a private Discord server.|Larry Vaughn&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|So my initial contact with them was when Christine sent me Caden's phone number and asked me to call him. I initially thought that he was going to tell me to fuck off, but he at the time at least entertained the idea of bringing 'us' (LAnon) on board. He pitched the idea of 'golden sonichu medallions' to me, which were basically regular Sonichu medallions with a code or something on them that would grant people access to a discord group to talk with Chris directly. He said that Christine &amp;quot;was a very busy woman with everything going on, and that Praetor basically served to screen out trolls from legitimate business dealings so she could have time to focus on her tasks.&amp;quot; I said that I would entertain their offer, and I would just need to take a headcount of who would be interested in one.&lt;br /&gt;
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-Praetor was the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the Teen Troon Squad before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine, and eventually even this devolved into them basically becoming a slightly less shitty version of the idea guys 2.0&lt;br /&gt;
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-They work in a nasty basement painting Sonichu medallions to sell. Now people seem to think that they just give Chris the money. They don't, they basically hold it from him unless he does what they want&lt;br /&gt;
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-The amount of money they make is apparently enough that Christine could have hired a private investigator to come after me, and this person contacted me after Chris threatened to call the cops on me&lt;br /&gt;
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-My 'big plan' (Sending Chris to Florida) was apparently liked by Caden, to the point that he would pay for a ticket for Chris&lt;br /&gt;
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-Chris claimed that Null was on Praetor's side, and was working with them to hunt me down (whether this is real or a delusion of Chris' is yet to be determined)|Larry Vaughn&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|To be honest Praetor just wants to further enable Chris at this point because doing so makes them money. Like they thought that I put mushrooms in the wine to poison Chris, they thought that they could get money from me, and they also thought that I was like 30 people.|Larry Vaughn&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Praetor]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|300px|A message left for a customer who bought a taser]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[2022]], Praetor began selling tasers previously autographed by Chris on their Etsy shop, supposedly for the purpose of simulating &amp;quot;zapping to the extreme&amp;quot; for buyers. Etsy quickly removed this listing. Eventually, Praetor created a listing titled 'The Secret Listing', a listing that had no information on what it was. It was later revealed through [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|emails]] that The Secret Listing was a taser, with the fact hidden in order to bypass Etsy guidelines.&lt;br /&gt;
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One of the people who bought the taser would mail it to the channel SuperMega, where they would unbox it on video&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5OaHIfMdY&amp;amp;ab_channel=SuperMega&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Jail Saga==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|Praetor Jail Art|OfficialCWCmart#Jail Saga Items}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Caden had plans to assemble a posse to protect Chris from [[Jacob Sockness]] at [[Everfree Northwest]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WCT DMs#Sockness alert]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, and to buy Chris a PC so he could do more streams&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[The_Knights_of_CWC_chats_(July_2021)#The_&amp;quot;Older_Lady_Friend&amp;quot;_Call_(Second_Layer_commentary)|Older Lady Friend Call]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, however both of these plans were cut short by Chris's [[Incest Arrest|arrest]] after he [[Affair With Mother|fucked his mother]]. After Chris got kicked out of his house for this, he contacted Caden to try and get his assistance in finding a hotel, though it is unknown how Caden responded to this&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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While most cut ties with Chris after this, Praetor continued to talk to Chris. At one point, Chris mentioned that Caden was working on publishing the &amp;quot;Goddess Log&amp;quot;, his jail diary&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Call - 1 November 2021]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:PraetorLetter.jpg|300px|thumb|Praetor's message to a customer]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Chrisandcaden.png|250px|thumb|Chris and Caden: seperated at birth?]]&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[May 2022]], Praetor began selling [[Praetor Jail Art|art that Chris made in jail]], making their contact with Chris much more obvious. They also added [[Jail Medallion Promotions|audio clips]] of Chris promoting their medallions from jail to their Etsy. Aside from these, the products sold on [[OfficialCWCmart]] became increasingly strange, including arrowheads, cult robes, and signed g-fuel.  &lt;br /&gt;
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In [[June 2022]], Chris started mentioning Caden in his letters, expressing his desire to have [[Helena Fiorenza]] collaborate with him&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 25 June 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;, though Caden did not respond when Helena attempted to do so&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. Chris also generally praised him, stating:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements; Include Him on the Fan Project Website, period, please.|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 14 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}} &lt;br /&gt;
{{quote| And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating.|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
In [[July 2022]], Chris began writing in letters about his newfound hatred of [[Barb]]. He told Caden to check if Barb was still at [[14 Branchland Court]], which he did. Caden told Chris that she was still there and refused to leave, after which Chris instructed Caden to call the police on her.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|By Caden’s confirmation, Barbara was still at the Sonichu Temple; Redneck and Stubborn. So, giving him the list of her charable crimes, including pet negigance/mistreatment, suicide threats, emotional manipulation and abuse upon I, and ADA’s law of using someone else’s SSI, I have instructed Caden alone, to call the police on her.|Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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The two decided on starting a $150,000 fundraiser to pay off Chris's mortgages and debts, and to put Barb in an Elderly Care Home, with the help of [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] and [[Helena Fiorenza]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (1)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;. This fundraiser predictably failed, and ended with [[Kenneth Erwin Engelhardt]], [[Helena Fiorenza]] and [[Eels and the Egg-man]] cutting ties with Chris&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Excommunication letter]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;.&lt;br /&gt;
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===Interview===&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|March 2023 Praetor Interview}}&lt;br /&gt;
In [[March 2023]], Praetor had [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|an interview]] with a [[Kiwi Farms]] user. In this interview, they claim that Chris calls them twice about the Etsy store. They also claim that the store has earned Chris a lot of money, despite him still being in jail. &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Chris calls twice a week to deal with the store, as no listings are made with out his express oversight. As for the cease and desists, we'd just advise that folk stay out of any trouble. Chris's cash has been accumulating, as the money he gets from both the store and monthly disability hasn't been touched while incarcerated.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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They claim that the reason Chris hasn't sent any letters or had any visitors is because [[David Heilberg]], Chris's lawyer, advised them to not let any &amp;quot;ill-meaning folk&amp;quot; near Chris. &lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Both the lack of recent letters and having no visitors is intentional, as Heilberg advised us to close any way for ill-meaning folk to get close.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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They offer more insider knowledge on Chris, such as the fact that he has grown a beard in prison, and that he has plans to return, with strange aspirations as well. None of these claims have been confirmed true, so it's ideal to take them with a grain of salt, however, Chris did [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned|in fact return]], as foretold by Praetor.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Second Coming==&lt;br /&gt;
{{see also|OfficialCWCmart#Post-Jail Saga Items}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Cwc-oct2023praetor2.jpg|300px|thumb|An [[October 2023]] picture of Chris, seen on OfficialCWCmart]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Coveredsonchu.png|250px|thumb|What appears to be [[Son-Chu]], covered up so trolls wouldn't spot it, spotted on a Google Maps view of Caden's house]]&lt;br /&gt;
After plenty of sightings online and [[Post-jail sightings|offline]], Chris finally made his grand return in [[October 2023]]. Along with Chris's return, [[OfficialCWCmart]] returned as well, stocked with a plethora of new items. This included new [[Medallions|Sonichu medallions]], with brand new pictures of Chris in front of a green screen, new promotions of [[Neo Spiritual Christianity]], and [[2021 Lost Commissions|dozens upon dozens of lost commissions]] that Chris drew for the [[Everfree Northwest]] fundraiser in [[2021]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris's new videos from this point forward were incredibly high quality (for Chris's standards), making itvery likely that Praetor is behind these videos, as they have previous experience with high-quality editing and Chris uses the same green screen which is used in the Etsy store. Chris also consistently promotes [[OfficialCWCmart]] in the description of these videos. These suspicions are once again validated in [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], in which Chris turns off the stream in order to respond to a phone call from Caden Peck.&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[June 2023]], a property in Big Island was transferred to both an LLC and Caden for $235,000. In [[November 2023]], [[Kiwi Farms]] users managed to find evidence hinting at Chris living at the property, or at the very least uses it as a studio. Firstly, Chris's [[November 2023 social media posts|P.O Box]] is only 22 minutes from the house, and Chris has been [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|previously sighted in Big Island]]. On an October 23 streetview, a car covered by a sheet can be seen outside the house, with a tire suspiciously similar to Chris's car. Lastly, in Chris's recent streams, we have occasionally gotten glimpses of his house, with one of the doors appearing in the streams perfectly matching up with a listing for the property.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[OfficialCWCmart]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Praetor Jail Art]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Goochland Library Sermon]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Taser]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Taser Discussion]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[2021 Lost Commissions]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[March 2023 Praetor Interview]]&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram (deleted)]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]&lt;br /&gt;
*[https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart Praetor's Etsy]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Articleofthenow}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PraetorSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{PrisonSaga}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{ThirdExile}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{RevelationsSaga}} &lt;br /&gt;
{{People}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{Fantasies}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{BusinessList}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Chris and Meg */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;[[Image:Chris&amp;amp;Meg.jpg|thumb|THIS IS WHAT CHRIS ACTUALLY BELIEVES.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:CWC Griffin.jpg|thumb|Holy crap, Lois, I'm autistic!]]&lt;br /&gt;
'''''Family Guy''''' is an animated sitcom that debuted on Fox in [[1999]]. It is known for satirizing pop-culture and extensive use of cutaway gags. [[Chris]] [[Things Chris has ripped off|rips it off]] an unbelievable amount in [[Sonichu (comic)|his comics]]. By the mid-2010s, Chris had lost all interest in the series as he had not mentioned or referenced it in ages, probably due to the series itself (or at least its newer seasons) falling out of mainstream popularity around that time.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Influence on Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris has expressed fanaticism for the series, to the extent of his beliefs being influenced by it. He [[Captain's Log, Stardate March 10th, 2009|cites ''Family Guy'']] as material that endorses [[homos|homophobia]], having completely misinterpreted what was a not-so-subtle jab at the prejudice in an episode. The specific scene which Chris referenced depicted {{w|Stewie Griffin}} quoting {{w|the Bible}} to prove that gay marriage is wrong. The joke is twofold; Stewie himself is ambiguously [[Homos|gay]], making his quoting of the Bible [[Chris and hypocrisy|hypocritical]], and, as pointed out by {{w|Brian Griffin}}, he is too infantile to properly contextualize Biblical scripture. This joke obviously soared over Chris's head, and it is a dig at ''precisely'' the sort of [[Chris and religion|brainless Bible-thumping]] Chris exhibits. What's even more ridiculous is the fact that Chris seems to have not heard of any specific parts of the Bible that condemn homosexuality- despite being a supposedly devout Christian his entire life- until it was spelled out in an animated comedy series.&lt;br /&gt;
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===In ''Sonichu''===&lt;br /&gt;
The series is the &amp;quot;inspiration&amp;quot; for Chris's infamous ''[[Ghostbusters]]'' [[Sonichu_7#The_Family_Guy_.22Skitch.22|&amp;quot;skitch&amp;quot;]] that appeared in [[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] and contained the one-off appearance of his character [[Sammy]], a creation that was a mix between Chris and {{w|Peter Griffin}}. Chris had hoped that the creator of ''Family Guy'', {{w|Seth MacFarlane|Seth MacFarlane}}, could possibly use his &amp;quot;skitch&amp;quot; in a future episode.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]] featured the line &amp;quot;Insert rod 'A' into slot 'B'&amp;quot; as an apparent example of dirty talk; in &amp;quot;{{w|Emission Impossible}}&amp;quot;, the line &amp;quot;Insert rod support 'A' into slot 'B'&amp;quot; is interpreted as innuendo. Meanwhile, [[Bubbles Rosechu]] asks [[Blake]] what he wished for and he says &amp;quot;It's already come true&amp;quot;; this could be directly from ''{{w|Sixteen Candles}}'', but could also be from the [[parody]] of this scene in ''Family Guy''&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;'&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt;s &amp;quot;{{w|PTV (Family Guy)|PTV}}&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;Spring Break&amp;quot; plotline also owes a lot to Meg and Lois's story in &amp;quot;{{w|A Fish out of Water (Family Guy)|A Fish out of Water}}&amp;quot;, including the bit where every channel is showing Spring Break, even the news channels.&lt;br /&gt;
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The &amp;quot;[[homos|gay]] vaccine&amp;quot; storyline from [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]] was partially inspired by the episode &amp;quot;{{w|Family Gay|Family Gay}}&amp;quot;, where Peter becomes gay after being injected with the gay gene.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Kacey Call 16]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], Chris copies the line &amp;quot;I'm the Virgin Mary; that's my story and I'm sticking to it&amp;quot;, from &amp;quot;{{w|A Very Special Family Guy Freakin' Christmas}}&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chris and Meg==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Meg Griffin}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Meg 08-10-2009.jpg|thumb|Chris's declaration of intention regarding [[Megan Schroeder|Meg]].]]&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Quote|Megan thanks me very much for my compliments I gave a lot of, and we hang out throughout the episode (I hope she has turned Eighteen by the time I get there, so this can be a really good story).|Chris, on what makes a story [[China|really good]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Family_Guy Cwcipedia page on ''Family Guy'']&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:ChrisChanfamilyguy.jpg|thumb|Chris's welcome page as of 9 October 2009.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris has a crush on [[Meg Griffin]] ([[Chris and reality|a cartoon character, for those keeping track at home]]). However, what Chris doesn't seem to understand is that there's a running gag (though not much anymore) of Meg being bullied. Despite her portrayal, Chris has developed feelings for her, perhaps finding a kindred spirit in another person whose only use seems to be to entertain the masses by being constantly mistreated by the world at large (that or her name just reminds him of [[Megan Schroeder|someone...]]). Although she is [[pedofork|underage]], Chris has sought porn of her, going so far as to assimilate it into his drawings.&lt;br /&gt;
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On 8 [[October 2009]], he commented on a [[YouTube]] clip from the episode &amp;quot;{{w|Road to the Multiverse}}&amp;quot; depicting a hot alternate-universe Meg, lamenting that if only MacFarlane let Meg turn eighteen that CWC would &amp;quot;be all over her sweet pussy and breasts&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDy-LEpQapQ&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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In [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris inserted Meg into the comic, [[Chris and his ego|having her compliment Chris on the comic]]. In turn, Chris defends Meg's &amp;quot;honor&amp;quot; by beating up a guy who insults the two of them. He then kisses Meg, cheating on his future wife [[Lovely Weather]]. It turns out that Meg is [[Silvana Rosechu]], an evil hermaphrodite furfag, in disguise. When accused of being a [[pedofork]] (Meg is 17), Chris retorted &amp;quot;SHE PUSHED HERSELF ONTO ME!&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 37]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris also wrote about her in [[Mailbag 20]]:&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|She has a fun and sweet personality; she is very pretty; she is smart; what is there NOT to like about her? Nothing from my point of view.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chris's message to Seth MacFarlane==&lt;br /&gt;
On 5 [[June 2009]], [[The Miscreants]] special ops agent [[Bryan Bash]] hacked into Chris's YouTube account and found a message Chris sent to ''Family Guy'' creator Seth MacFarlane via his YouTube account. In all likeliness, Seth never read the message and was discarded by his account manager.&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Hello Seth,&lt;br /&gt;
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I am a long-time Family Guy Fan. I have purchased the Blu-Ray of {{w|Seth MacFarlane's Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy|your Calvacade}}; I enjoyed all but the homosexual and dick jokes (I detest the [[homos]] very strongly). For your next bunch of 50 or so videos, please do more breast and vagina jokes.&lt;br /&gt;
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Also, in Family Guy, PLEASE give Megan more respect, because she [[Chris and writing|IS VERY BEATIFUL]] in my perspective, and she truly deserves MORE Positive attention and less abuse. Give her an irreversable Love Potion or something yo give her the attention that she deserves for MULTIPLE SEASONS and MULTIPLE CONSISTANT episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
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We LOVE Megan Marie Griffin.&lt;br /&gt;
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Peace,&lt;br /&gt;
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Christian Weston Chandler, creator of Sonichu and Rosechu at http://www.cwcville.com}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Chrisode==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:CWC Famguy.jpeg|thumb|Top-secret leaks from Fox animation]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:126052012913.jpg|thumb|Leaked concept sketches made by [[Trolls|Seth MacFarlane]] himself.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:FamilyGuyChris.JPG|thumb|Chris's own sketch in a ''Family Guy''-style.]]&lt;br /&gt;
On [[Captain's Log, Stardate December 9th, 2009|9 December 2009]] Chris said that he'd heard rumors that Seth MacFarlane was planning on including him in a future ''Family Guy'' episode. This obviously [[Pmurt|fake news]] inflated [[Chris and his Ego|Chris's ego]] to [[Giant Penis Comic|gigantic proportions]], to the point where he felt the need to pitch an idea for the plot. Below is the {{CWCipedia link|Family Guy|plot he posted}} on the [[CWCipedia]].&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|I, Christian Weston Chandler, have described the story in a nutshell in my [[Captain's Log, Stardate December 9th, 2009|recent video]]. But to reiterate (the final story will be typed up then copied/pasted onto this page), The show opens on Megan going onto the [[Cwcipedia]] on her computer in her room, reading the latest page uploaded and enjoying it. Later, she sends a message for the [[Mailbag]], asking if I could come to Quahog for their upcoming Comic Book Convention to show off my work. I respond, &amp;quot;[[Rape|I just may, Meg]]. ;)&amp;quot; Then I later drive up to Quahog in [[Son-Chu|my car]] (debatable on the destination being the Comic Con or the Griffin House), either way, the Griffins greet and welcome me. Then I break out [[Homos#Evidence that Chris is a homo|my two]] [[S-Chu Ball]]s, toss them and release [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] and [[Rosechu]]; more greetings. Megan thanks me very much for my compliments I gave a lot of, and we hang out throughout the episode ([[pedofork|I hope she has turned Eighteen]] by the time I get there, so this can be a really good story). For the {{w|Subplot|&amp;quot;B&amp;quot; Story}}, Brian gets a bit [[autism|antsy]] around the [[Sonichu_0#Episode_2:_.22Genesis_of_the_Lovehogs.22|Lovehogs]]' cuddlings, and he just could not help but ask them about how they maintain their relationship. And Sonichu and Rosechu tell Brian and help him find himself a new good girlfriend. **Suggestion to Seth, Let's Add a Smart, [[Patti-Chan|Sweet Girl Dog]] for Brian (Yes, SHE TALKS), as for breed, [[Chris and sex#Bestiality|I think any sexy breed]] (not a poodle; nothing against poodles, but I feel that a poodle might not work well for Brian).}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Chris also described the plot in his [[9 December 2009]] C-Log; basically the same, except that it was an anime con.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chris's criticisms==&lt;br /&gt;
At the time when Chris loved ''Family Guy'', he had several ideas that he was certain would make the show much, much better.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Family_Guy&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Most of his suggestions revolve around his infantile fears of [[homos]]exuality, his sad ability to fall desperately in love with [[BlueSpike|fictional women]] and issues with the plot that only someone with [[autism]] would notice. Also, the tower incident that Chris is referring to takes place in the ''{{w|Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story}}''. However, Chris is wrong about it causing Stewie to be straight. This is because it is pretty obviously hinted in this movie that he is gay, possibly bi, as he is a virgin at 30, still shows very flamboyant tendencies and is very reluctant to have sex with a woman. &lt;br /&gt;
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Also: subtle hints of [[Chris and sex#Bestiality|bestiality]].&lt;br /&gt;
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*''&amp;quot;Megan does not deserve [[Kick the Autistic|the abuse]] she gets. She is a Beautiful Girl, she is Very Smart, and she is the Oldest of the three children. So, Why.T.F. does Seth let most everyone treat her terribly? What is it about her that everyone is seeing to instinctively wail on her by default? WHAT and WHY?!&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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*''&amp;quot;Stewie should have let that tower fall on him; at least in the future scenario there, he Ended Up [[Straight]].&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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*''&amp;quot;{{w|Chris Griffin|Chris}} finally got the best girlfriend he could ask for at the end of {{w|Family Guy (season 6)|Season 6}}, Anna, so what happened to her between then and when Connie dated him in {{w|Family Guy (season 7)|Season 7}}?&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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*''&amp;quot;While I can see [[Chris and English|Brain]] looking for the womanly qualities that he finds in the women he's dated, why does he not date female talking dogs who are That Pretty, Smart and all that?&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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*''&amp;quot;In &amp;quot;Road to the Multiverse&amp;quot;, in the &amp;quot;''{{w|Robot Chicken}}''&amp;quot; Universe, Stewie asks {{w|Seth Green|Seth Greene}} through Chris, &amp;quot;How does it feel to be on a Major Network for 30 Seconds?&amp;quot; Upon watching the video file on my [[PS3]], [[Autism|the time in that universe was Only 20 Seconds Total]], and there were NO additional portions of that scene in the version later shown on Cartoon Network's Adult Swim. Seth McFarline owes Seth Greene 10 Seconds and then some.&amp;quot;''&lt;br /&gt;
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*Chris wants American Dad to have &amp;quot;{{w|Hayley Smith (American Dad!)|Haley}}&amp;quot; in more episodes.&lt;br /&gt;
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*He does not care for all the [[pickle|dick]] jokes in ''{{w|The Cleveland Show}}''.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other mentions==&lt;br /&gt;
Chris recycles ''Family Guy'' jokes at every opportunity, usually so out-of-context that they make no sense.&lt;br /&gt;
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*In [[CWC's Second Message]], he was angry that people were saying he was a [[pedofork]], like {{w|Herbert (Family Guy)|Herbert}}.&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris said &amp;quot;SHAZZAM!&amp;quot; when [[Vanessa AIM Chat 2|cybering with &amp;quot;Vanessa Hudgens&amp;quot;]], a joke borrowed from &amp;quot;{{w|The Perfect Castaway}}&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;{{w|Fifteen Minutes of Shame}}.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris constantly described ''[[Asperchu]]'' as &amp;quot;blocky&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;low-resolution&amp;quot;,&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 41]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 42]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 43]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 45]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; which is taken from &amp;quot;Road to the Multiverse.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[For My Sweetest Ivy]], Chris proposes watching Family Guy reruns to [[Ivy]] as a possible date idea when she inevitably flew out to meet him.&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Rollin' and Trollin']], Chris called [[Obama]] &amp;quot;a regular stand-up family guy.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Kacey Call 11]], Chris talks about how he hated finding out that Stewie is gay. He also claimed that ''Family Guy'' was temporarily cancelled in 2002 because everyone was &amp;quot;distracted&amp;quot; by [[Twin Falling Towers|9/11]].&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris's [[A Public Announcement for Congress|Public Announcement for Congress]] segues into the theme tune of {{w|The Facts of Life (TV series)|''The Facts of Life''}}, a joke taken from &amp;quot;{{w|Running Mates (Family Guy)|Running Mates}}.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Kacey Call 22]], Chris told her that he ignores it, or turns down the volume, when Stewie acts gay or when pro-homo scenes appear in ''Family Guy''.&lt;br /&gt;
*The story [[JenkinsJinkies]] told about his [[Trollin Train|gay experience]] at camp was allegedly inspired by Peter's parrot squawking &amp;quot;I had a gay experience at camp!&amp;quot; in &amp;quot;{{w|Long John Peter}}&amp;quot;.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 5]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Facebook]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Chris Sings Fart Song for Flora]], Chris sings the fart song from &amp;quot;{{w|The Man with Two Brians}}.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris's knowledge of {{w|Mormonism}} is mainly derived from &amp;quot;{{w|The Father, the Son, and the Holy Fonz}}.&amp;quot;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris has referred to his obesity as a &amp;quot;{{w|Budai|Buddha}} belly&amp;quot;; this is probably taken from &amp;quot;{{w|He's Too Sexy For His Fat}}&amp;quot; or &amp;quot;{{w|To Love and Die in Dixie}}.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris sang &amp;quot;{{w|Never Gonna Give You Up}}&amp;quot; in [[Chris Chan Update 24 September 2008]] – he doesn't seem to link it to {{w|Rickrolling}} and probably knew it from &amp;quot;{{w|Meet the Quagmires}}&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
*Chris imitated Peter (horribly) when talking to [[Clyde Cash]] in [[Mumble 4]]: &lt;br /&gt;
* Chris often declares that a person or situation &amp;quot;grinds his gears,&amp;quot; which was Peter Griffin's stock saying in ''Stewie Griffin: The Untold Story''.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Father Call]], [[Vivitheg's AIM chat]], [[sports bra]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
*When [[100 2266|acting as the Grimace]], Chris said that Grimace is [[autistic]], which he took from a throwaway line in &amp;quot;{{w|Prick Up Your Ears}}.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[Mailbag 25#This is perhaps the worst advice Chris has ever given|Mailbag 25]] Chris gives some awful relationship advice which seems to have been inspired by the ''Family Guy'' episode &amp;quot;{{w|Bill &amp;amp; Peter's Bogus Journey}}&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
*The video [[It's not that cold]] shows Chris reenacting a scene shown in the episode ''&amp;quot;Stew-Roids&amp;quot;'', where Chris Griffin is exposed doing the exact same routine.&lt;br /&gt;
*During the [[LadyOfTheCosmo]] fiasco, Chris quoted &amp;quot;Seth MacFarline&amp;quot; from &amp;quot;#FamilyGuy&amp;quot; as an example of an older person who is famous.&lt;br /&gt;
*In [[CopperCab|Chris's interview with CopperCab]], he explains birth as &amp;quot;sperm A into egg B&amp;quot;, no doubt a rip off of &amp;quot;insert rod A into slot B&amp;quot; as mentioned above.&lt;br /&gt;
*In multiple [[jail letters]] Chris describes the Qur'an as being to the Bible what ''Family Guy'' is to ''The Simpsons'' (i.e. an inferior derivative work).&lt;br /&gt;
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==Other MacFarlane shows==&lt;br /&gt;
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===''American Dad!''===&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Pickle Sttan.JPG|thumb|[[Man in the Pickle Suit|An old friend]] appears in ''American Dad!'' (&amp;quot;Trophy Wife, Trophy Life&amp;quot;)]]&lt;br /&gt;
''{{w|American Dad!|American Dad!}}'' is another MacFarlane series, again based around a single family. This is the MacFarlane show that Chris appears to pay the least attention to, though he does appear to be somewhat of a fan. Chris stated on the [[CWCipedia]] that &amp;quot;There should be More Stories starring Haley.&amp;quot; {{w|Hayley Smith (American Dad!)|Hayley Smith}} is the left-wing daughter of Stan Smith. Doubtless Chris wanted more Hayley stories, not due to his love of marijuana jokes or the Democratic Party, but because he thought she was sexy. He also probably saw a bit of himself on Hayley's teenage brother, Steve Smith, who, like Chris was in 2009, is fixated on getting a girlfriend and losing his virginity (achieving the former briefly in several episodes and the latter in the 2018 episode &amp;quot;My Purity Ball and Chain&amp;quot;).&lt;br /&gt;
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===''The Cleveland Show''===&lt;br /&gt;
27 [[September 2009]] saw the debut of ''The Cleveland Show'', a ''Family Guy'' spin-off. Chris plugged the show heavily on [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 15th, 2009|one of his  Captain's Logs]].&lt;br /&gt;
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It would seem Chris may have been too hasty in his initial endorsement of the show. In a [[CWCipedia]] update on 11 [[December 2009]], after making several idiotic points about ''Family Guy'', his analysis of ''The Cleveland Show'' consisted simply of, &amp;quot;I do not care for all the dick jokes.&amp;quot; This didn't stop him from buying the show's first season through the [[PlayStation Network]], though.&lt;br /&gt;
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In another eerie coincidence, an episode revolved around a sex doll named [[Kimmi]].&lt;br /&gt;
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On 22 [[March 2010]], Chris broke [[03212010 C-Ya Later.MOV|his vow never to use the Internet again]] after thirty-six hours to [[Cleveland Show Voice Rant|complain]] about changes in the show's voice acting. He would continue his whining in [[Some Favored Comedians|a video about his favorite comedians]] [[May 2010|two months later]].&lt;br /&gt;
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In an [[100 2279|October 2010]] video, Chris held up a DVD box set of the first season of ''The Cleveland Show'' and performed a terrible rendition of the show's theme tune. He spent $30 on this set, much to [[Jackie]]'s chagrin.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie Chat 8]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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Sadly, Chris's seal of approval did nothing to help the show's fortunes, and it was cancelled in May 2013. Chris does not appear to have commented on the show's demise, suggesting that even he had stopped caring by this point.&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
{{CWCipedia}}&lt;br /&gt;
* [[Sammy]] – Chris's bastard love child creation of him combined with Peter Griffin&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Aqua Teen Hunger Force]]''&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[Monty Python|Monty Python's Flying Circus]]''&lt;br /&gt;
* ''[[South Park]]''&lt;br /&gt;
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==Sources==&lt;br /&gt;
&amp;lt;references/&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
== Fan videos ==&lt;br /&gt;
{{Infobox/Fanvideo&lt;br /&gt;
| name           = Chris Chan and one woman vigilante sing Family Guy&lt;br /&gt;
| ytid           = HXnoZ3YDfZw&lt;br /&gt;
| stardate       = 16 [[November 2022]]&lt;br /&gt;
| subject        = {{Comedy|Music}}&lt;br /&gt;
| maker          = James Worley&lt;br /&gt;
}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* ''{{w|Family Guy}}'' at [[Wikipedia]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Things Chris has ripped off]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[Category:Television shows]]&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: &lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;During [[November 2011]], [[Thorg]] held a Q&amp;amp;A.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20140725212305/http://cwckiforums.com/threads/thorg-q-a.800/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; on an unknown website. He provides insight into the [[Calling Out]] [[Saga]] and the [[Saga#Second_Exile_(6_September_2011_-_9_July_2014)|Second Exile]]. All of his answers are archived below.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Q&amp;amp;A==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|If Chris gets a sentence that restricts him from [[the internet]] for some time, will the hoarded content that supposedly exists be made public?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Depends on the amount of time.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Why do you call yourself the Master [[Troll]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I sarcastically refer to myself as Master Troll because what I did was incredibly easy and could've been done by anyone, yet people still think it takes a master troll to fuck with Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What would you like to see Chris eat next?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Well, he was supposed to eat a goddamn block of cheese, not a cheese-stuffed pizza, so we can start with that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Was your plan to get Chris to start fights with other lolcows, or was that just an unexpected benefit?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Using lolcows was more or less just a nod to various people. [[Christopher Paul Whitney reveal|Fatman]] was a treat for myself and a few others, [[Calling Out Jack Thaddius - Ahuviya|ADF]] was for [[/cwc/]], [[Calling Out &amp;quot;Julaaaay&amp;quot; - David|&amp;quot;David&amp;quot;]] was for [[PVCC (message board)|PVCC]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How do you feel about the [[Calling Out]] saga getting cut short by [[Bob]]'s death?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|There was no way we could've expected that until Bob's last few weeks so it was perfectly understandable to cut it off. It was a shame though, it could've been great.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Who is your favorite past CWC-troll?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Jack Thaddeus]]. I liked his [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|phone calls]] the most, and the [[Chris humps his PS3|PS3-humping]] is my favourite video.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you acquire the videos on CWCVilleProductions?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I run CWCvilleProductions for Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did you manage to contact Chris by luck, or through some plan?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|A little bit of both.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Can you tell us any people Chris would have called out, had the [[Calling Out]] Saga not ended early?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Clyde]], Ricky L. Darius.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Were the other trolls in on your plan, or were they not expecting this?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Most of the stuff I did in cooperation with the trolls but a lot of the behind the scenes back-and-forth stuff between me &amp;amp; Chris is just the two of us.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Are you authorized to tell us how Chris discovered the [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia]] forum? If so, how?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I actually can't even remember.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Was Chris eating a cheese pizza funnier then your original plan of eating a block of cheese?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'd hoped he would gag or possibly puke by the end of it. Unfortunately he literally just ate the pizza without telling me and sent me the video. No, it was terrible and it resulted in the [[saga]] ending in a fizzle.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sup. Do you know the span of time in which Chris recorded his latest smash album [[SPARKLE like you mean it: ROBEE'S BALLAD|SPARKLE like you mean it]]? What's up with the [[Jackie]] references?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not following that stuff but I assume it's from the Jackie saga.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Does Chris know by now that the [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia|Tompeople of Virginia forum]] was a scheme against him or is he still in the dark about this?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Chances are Chris doesn't even remember Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia. He hasn't brought it up with me once and hasn't posted since he outed himself as CWC.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you have any info about Chris's reaction to his [[Bob_Chandler#Cause_of_death|father's death]] and how long did it took him to get over it?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I do, but basically what happened is he cried and was sad and by now he's fine. There's not much more to it than that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Are you still in contact with Chris through one of the trollsonas by which he knows you? If so can you update us on how his life has been since the beginning of the latest radio silence?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yes, but infrequently. He often ignores my emails and it usually takes three to seven days for him to reply when he does respond. At least I still have a line to him though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did you made him do that [[It's not that cold|digging up Patti]] vid or was it something he came up by himself? If it's the former, how did you made him do that?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Neither, he did that for a third party. I don't even know too much about how they got him to do it but it was pretty damned funny.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Does he or did he had a fake [[sweetheart]] that we don't know of at any point during the latest saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Not that I know of, he's been rocking the single card for quite a while.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know the identities of any of the posters of the [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia|Tomboy and Tomgirls of Virginia]] forum other than Chris?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I know all the identities, but that's totally [[Autism|sperg-tier]] information that doesn't need to be made public solely because of its own irrelevance.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is Chris stupid enough that he's still using the ChrisChanSonichu@aol.com email address, the one that's been on the [[CWCki]] for ever? Not asking for the new one if he changed it, too many [[For Julies Eyes Only|JULLLAAAAY]] idiots, just curious.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Chris has it locked up so that only emails he verefies ''[sic]'' can send shit to him. Everything else literally just gets deleted automatically.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What was he doing during the radio silence? Besides the crazy shit going on now, did Chris and [[Barb]] make an effort to clean up the house, or did they just [[28 October 2011|plot to kill]] that dang dirty [[Snyder]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|They really hate Snyder now. But as for the general goings-on Chris plays [[PS3]] and Barb does whatever the fuck Barb does. They go out a lot I guess since Bob isn't around.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|In your opinion, has the full weight of the [[28 October 2011|October Incident]] hit him, or does he believe he will triumph and plans to talk about &amp;quot;da [[trolls]]!&amp;quot; in court?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm going to say no, it hasn't. He doesn't understand the severity of the situation and believes (obviously, being Chris) that he'll win the court case and Michael will go to jail for being a slanderous troll and kicking him out of the [[GAMe PLACe]]. Chances are [[Rob Bell|his lawyer]] will tell him not to talk about the trolls though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Based on close-hand knowledge, do you think Chris has the capability of true, actual violence at the level where he is a danger (moreso than just driving like a [[Autism|tard]])?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|No. Chris is a manbaby, he doesn't have the tardstrength to inflict serious harm on anyone.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What was Chris's biggest self-deluded moment of triumph? Did he ever get any smugger than the 'Calling Out' saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Hard to say. It could be any one of his victories over the past 20 years, ranging from [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch &amp;amp; Win Sweepstakes|Watch &amp;amp; Win]] to [[Calling Out]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you contact Chris? Email? Phone? Some other way?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Email, mostly.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How would have [[Clyde]]'s Calling Out videos been?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|The endgame. So picture smug Chris x100.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you get the idea to do the [[Calling Out]] videos?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|It was the most logical thing to do given the situation.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What do you think Chris and his [[mom]]'s verdicts will be?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Guilty, with a slap on the wrist/community service for being a [[Slow-in-the-minds|exceptional individual]] and a widow.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Since you are a current member of the PVCC, can you tell us what it's like to dispel all the rumors?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Boring. We just talk about stuff any other forum would. The Chris forum is dead, and when a new video is released we all flock in to say &amp;quot;Hahaha what a [[fat]] exceptional individual he'll always do something stupider than he just did&amp;quot; and then leave again.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Besides the already noted [[Clyde]] part, what would have happened if [[Bob]] didn't die and the [[Assault and battery|Snyder incident]] didn't happen?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not sure. Everything that was planned was for the short-term, I kind of just waited to see what Chris did and then rolled with it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|One more question: is there any trolls you dislike?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Kacey]]. Fuck her. She had the opportunity to do [[Kacey calls|phone calls]], tons of them (my favourite form of Chris trolling) and instead of allowing Chris to be retarded and say funny shit on his own she just shot him down and cut him off every time he tried to open his mouth, making the calls boring and a chore to listen to through her constant bitching. Good examples are the [[Father Call|father calls]] and the [[Kacey and Liquid Call|Liquid call]]. In both calls, as soon as Chris started to kick it into rage mode, Kacey steps in and pulls her &amp;quot;DON'T YOU FUCKING YELL AT HIM&amp;quot; shit causing Chris to fall back and revert to his passive agreement mode.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Anyway, here's my humble question: are you really Canadian, and if so, do you really live in B.C.?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yes, but I live in Nova Scotia.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know anything about the Chandler's financial situation? Did they get life insurance from [[Bob_Chandler#Cause_of_death|Bob's death]] or are they really short on cash? On a related note, do you know if [[Rob Bell|his lawyer]] is working pro bono?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't know, I assume [[Church|their church]] has been helping them out financially since Bob died. I do know that Chris does get a bonus on his [[Tugboat|monthly retard cheque]] by about $400 now, so he makes well over $1000. Which is more than I make in a month. Which is fucked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you have any idea what were Chris's plans for the aftermath of the [[calling out]] saga? Would he have returned to uploading vidoes ''[sic]'' on [[YouTube]] full time after being led to believe that all his tormentors were defeated?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I can't say for sure what would've happened but he likely wouldn't have done anything afterwards. He's too lazy and has gotten used to not doing videos, unless it directly benefits him he won't do it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did he produce any new [[Sonichu comics]] after the incomplete [[Sonichu 11]] was released? Does he have any plans to continue the series?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Nope, he's basically done with Sonichu.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did [[Barb]] and [[Bob]] planned for the day they're both gone by setting up a trust/caregiver for Chris in advance, or is he destined to beg for food like a feral Sonichu once Barb hits the bucket?}}&lt;br /&gt;
&lt;br /&gt;
{{quoteboxgray|I don't think [[Bob_Chandler#Cause_of_death|Bob's death]] benefited the Chandlers very much, so I assume there was no plan for Chris. Like I said, his cheque is now enough to live off of if he moved into a small apartment and paid for only the necessities. However; this is Chris we're talking about, so he's destined to forever be in debt. Moreso now that Bob is dead and can't control his spending.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Speaking of plans for the future... Does Chris have any? Where does he sees himself in a couple of years?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Chris and work|Working full time]] and living in a nice house in [[Charlottesville]] with a [[Sweetheart|wife]], [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|two]] [[Reginald Chandler|kids]], and a dog. I, on the other hand, see him playing [[PS4]] all day while [[Barb]] is dying in the next room and eating [[McDonalds]] and Hungry Mans.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is there anything interesting you can tell us about [[Bob]]'s funeral? Were any of Bob's [[Alan Chandler|estranged]] [[Carol Chandler|children]]/[[Cole]]/[[trolls]]/field agents present? Is Chris still in contact with his half-siblings?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't know much about the funeral but it was probably a small one, the people in attendance were basically [[Barb]], [[Chris]], maybe [[David Alan Chandler|David]] and some of their congregation. [[Cole]] is actually Barb's son, and he hated Bob, so there's zero chance he'd be there.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you have any interesting stories about your contacts with Chris which you'd like to share (like the stories [[Ivy]] volunteered in [[Ivy Q&amp;amp;A|her Q&amp;amp;A]])?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yes, but we'll have to wait until all of this blows over, sorry.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|In the first revision of the article on [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]], which was written by you, the text read &amp;quot;T&amp;amp;ToV is highly regarded as a complete success, and much of the later content is considered a bonus&amp;quot;. Can you tell us more about this additional content?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Originally we just wanted to get maybe a post or two from Chris explaining what he's been doing as a [[tomgirl]]. Once we got that, he took it further and started going on about how [[Bob]] called him a [[Homos|fag]] and all the girly toys he's been buying. We consider that extra stuff a bonus because it happened after we agreed that the plan was a success.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Oh and another question about the events... did he come up with [[Kaka Makeup Basics|make up tips vid]] on his own or someone put him up to it? I find it hard to believe he chose the moniker &amp;quot;Kaka&amp;quot; on his own but then again it is Chris after all.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not sure, I didn't get him to do that one.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Are the likes of [[Clyde]] and [[Jack Thaddeus|Thaddeus]] still active? (and will Clyde 'return'?)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Clyde himself probably won't. He posts on PVCC every now and then but he's pretty bored with the whole Clyde Cash shit. Thaddeus is still around but not active in trolling Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Can you tell us about [[Kim]]? Or give us a few tidbits of information?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Can't, sorry.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Alot of people here say the PVCC have witheld plenty of info. To me that's fine, because it serves a better purpose; giving us complete [[sagas]]. It has been asked here before, but are there any operations being run currently that we will enjoy?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Not that I know of but I haven't talked to the inner circle since Skyrim came out so who knows. Also keep in mind that PVCC and the Inner Circle are seperate entities, like I said PVCC is literally just a private forum at this point. Also all the HOARARED LUZL is really really boring and will probably never be released because no one wants to see it, trust me.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did you think [[Bluespike]] went too far? (i personally didn't i got a great laugh out of it) oh and is there a video of [[Julie Reveals Herself|that call]]? It seemed to be mentioned in the audio.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Honestly I don't see what the big deal is. If anything Chris went too far. I thought the Bluespike stuff was funny, a lot of people don't, but w/e. Bluespike's my bro. I think it was just a video stream through the [[PSN]], I'm pretty sure only the audio exists at this point.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Does Chris know about [[Harry Partridge]]'s comments about him being '[[naive]]'?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Probably not. Also while I'm talking about Harry, I might as well mention that he's not the troll hunter. I talked to him about it and he confirmed it for me, there's also subtle differences between the two if you pay close enough attention.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is [[Tomgirl]] really and truly over?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Dunno, maybe.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|During the &amp;quot;calling out&amp;quot; saga, what did you think of [[Wristwatch-SwissWatch for Jeremy &amp;quot;Thorg&amp;quot;|that strange video]] about watches that Chris made for you? And, why do you think he made it?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Okay here's the story behind Wristwatch-Swisswatch or whatever the fuck Chris named that. On PVCC everyone was wondering how Chris would sound if he pronounced &amp;quot;wristwatch&amp;quot;. Some thought &amp;quot;wriss wratch&amp;quot;, some thought &amp;quot;wisswoss&amp;quot;, etc. So I told him to make an otherwise normal video adressed to Thorg subtly saying &amp;quot;wristwatch&amp;quot; a few times. That video was Chris being subtle.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Why did you really retire? Chris thinks it's because he beat you into submission or something. Also, why did [[Tito]] &amp;quot;Surrender&amp;quot; or something, to Chris? I know he didn't really give in to the manchild. He must have had an important reason in order to fake something like that. Was it college or something?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Tito is busy with school. Since I'm a greasy nerd who isn't in high school anymore and lives with his parents I have all the time in the world to fuck with a retard on the internet.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Where did Chris get fake info about yourself, as well as other trolls? Did someone from that [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia|old Tomgirl forum]] email him false information?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|All the information is 100% true and accurate.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How has Chris been doing [[Health|physically]]? I noted on the talk page for the quote I just pasted that someone noticed a bunch of [[Drugs|pill bottles]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Dunno, [[fat]] I guess.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What of his [[sweetheart search]], is that going on? I get the feeling that he's too tired to continue it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I can confirm that Mr. Chandler is still, in fact, a [[virgin]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Were you guys surprised when [[Tito]] got [[Tomgirl Pictures|Tomgirl photos]], or there were reports from FAs/Chris himself has showed sympthoms of that something's bizarre going on? Since this was an obvious reference to his new lifestyle and there is [[Jackie]] mentioned...}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I found it pretty funny I suppose. I wasn't in the inner circle at the time they were released so I didn't know what the story was behind them.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you think Chris will ever give up being a [[tomgirl]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|At some point I'm sure he'll realize how stupid he looks and how it's not going to get him a girlfreind.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What's the difference between the inner circle and the PVCC?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Inner Circle does the trolling. They meet seperately, keep most things between themselves, organize everything, etc. They're members of PVCC but they don't do any important stuff there. Like I said, PVCC is literally just a normal forum now. Back in the day it organized the Chris stuff but there's far too many idle lurkers there now to do anything serious. Most PVCC members are cool though, if they wanted to they could troll CWC (providing there was an opportunity), a lot of people just don't want to.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know why [[Liquid Chris]] closed his [[Youtube]] account?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not sure, he's probably trying to disassociate himself with Chris and get on with his life though. Can't really blame him.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you begin contact with Chris?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|If you do enough digging you can put the pieces together and figure it out.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did they ever sell that TV?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Probably not.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Assuming that the pair does only get off with a slap on the wrist come December, do you think that will be the end of that episode or do you anticipate more lulz to follow?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I despise the word &amp;quot;lulz&amp;quot;. Who knows, it's Chris. Anything can happen.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is new content from chris foreseeable in the near future? Like..before winter break is over? ;D}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|There'll definitely be new content in the future. I can't say when, though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What is your opinion of the [[CWCki]], [[CWCki Forums|its forums]], and [[/cwc/]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I enjoy browsing the [[CWCki]], I browse for about a half hour every day. I don't really care for the forums, it's just not my kind of forum. I've grown to love [[/cwc/]] and browse it all the time.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What did Chris do when he didn't receive the money from [[Tito]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|He wasn't supposed to ask for any money after it was explained to him that what he was doing was extortion, but when Tito said &amp;quot;I...I'll give you the money&amp;quot; in the video Chris assumed it was okay to tack that demand on again. I think he forgot about it though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|If the PVCC isn't much about discussing Chris anymore, then why is it still private?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|We just don't want [[Autism|spergs]] spergin' up the place. We're comfortable with how it is now. People can still get in, it's just difficult.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know who nudged Chris into becoming a [[tomgirl]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Legit don't, sorry.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How do you think Chris would react to the various [[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]] &amp;quot;fan&amp;quot; works being done on this forum?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't know, I haven't browsed the forum outside of this thread. He'd probably sigh and poop himself or something.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Why would nobody want to see the &amp;quot;hoarded lulz&amp;quot;, other then being boring? Can you give an example of how boring/bad/etc. they are?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't have much hoarded lulz, I'm just going by what the others told me, they have more stuff because they've been doing it longer.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Has Chris told you anything about [[28 October 2011|the GAMe PLACe incident]] last month?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yeah. He mad.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is there anything else that was unplanned during the [[Calling Out]] Saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|A couple of minor things I can't think of off the top of my head.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Will Chris ever finish the Calling Out Saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Possibly, Chris kind of wants to.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is Chris easily predicted? It seems he always suprises us, but in your opinion, is that more to do with well planned trolling or just his way?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Chris does surprise us all, but he's very predictable and incredibly easy to manipulate.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is there any epic trolling plans that havn't come to fruition due to [[Bob]]'s death/Chris's withdrawal from the world?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Possibly, but I can't tell you too much about it because I wasn't involved.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Youve mentioned enjoying [[Bluespike]] and [[Liquid]](not [[Kacey]]!), is there any other incidents or [[sagas]], apart from your own fine work you enjoyed?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I liked all of the [[Ivy]] stuff. The [[CWCipedia]] was really fun, and I wish it didn't end so soon. [[Asperchu]] and [[Surfshack Tito]] were good too.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|You've also mentioned that the '[[Christorical_eras#Classic_Trolling:_2007_to_2010|golden age]]' of Chris has passed. Do you think he will ever be drawn into a big saga again?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|The thing with the Golden Age was that it was basically a constant stream of Chris content. There was always something going on, and you'd see new videos every week. Now we're lucky if we get a few videos a year. It's possible there will be more sagas though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Has Chris shown any differences in personality since last year?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Kind of. He's definitely changed over the past few years from harmless retard to angry vengeful douche.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What do you think of this trolling plan: somebody manages to contact Chris, pretend to be a tomboy interested in dating a [[tomgirl]], and hook up?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I think someone tried to do that before, and failed.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How ethical do you think trolling Chris is, and why do you feel that way?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't really care about the ethics of it, I do it for fun, but I certainly don't think it's unethical. If Chris doesn't like being trolled, he should stop allowing himself to be trolled. Someone on [[/cwc/]] once said something along the lines of &amp;quot;There's a difference between Chris and an Animal. If you poke an animal with a stick, it will leave. If that animal is Chris, it'll turn around and present its anus for the stick&amp;quot;. At this point, it's all Chris' fault so there's nothing unethical about what we do.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Have you ever seen Chris in person, perhaps without him knowing?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Considering Chris lives fifteen-hundred kilometers away it's doubtful.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Who was [[Magical Man|that guy]] in that [[Magical Man Potion|one Chris video that's involved in a Jekyll and Hyde skit and is in his room]], and there's a follow up where he's filming Chris doing a tutorial for his PS3?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|No idea. Even the inner circle doesn't know. We assume someone from his [[church]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|A coupe of weeks ago someone posted on [[/cwc/]] [[28_October_2011#Email?|an email]] supposedly from Chris, explaining the events of [[28 October 2011|28 October]]. I can't find the link to the original [[/cwc/]] thread about this, but I remember reading posts from [[Tito]] (who was not the one who posted the alleged email) saying he believes it is real. Do you concur? Is there anything more you can tell us about this, the person who supposedly corresponded with Chris or about the latest [[game place]] incident in general?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|All I can tell you is that it's pretty much what went down.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ivy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Doopie Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Alec Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{CallingOutSaga}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
		<author><name>Goodhoward</name></author>
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		<title>Thorg Q&amp;A</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* The Q&amp;amp;A */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;During [[November 2011]], [[Thorg]] held a Q&amp;amp;A.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://web.archive.org/web/20140725212305/http://cwckiforums.com/threads/thorg-q-a.800/&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; on an unknown website. He provides insight into the [[Calling Out]] [[Saga]] and the [[Saga#Second_Exile_(6_September_2011_-_9_July_2014)|Second Exile]]. All of his answers are archived below.&lt;br /&gt;
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==The Q&amp;amp;A==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|If Chris gets a sentence that restricts him from [[the internet]] for some time, will the hoarded content that supposedly exists be made public?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Depends on the amount of time.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Why do you call yourself the Master [[Troll]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I sarcastically refer to myself as Master Troll because what I did was incredibly easy and could've been done by anyone, yet people still think it takes a master troll to fuck with Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What would you like to see Chris eat next?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Well, he was supposed to eat a goddamn block of cheese, not a [[Christopher Paul Whitney reveal|cheese-stuffed pizza]], so we can start with that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Was your plan to get Chris to start fights with other lolcows, or was that just an unexpected benefit?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Using lolcows was more or less just a nod to various people. [[Christopher Paul Whitney reveal|Fatman]] was a treat for myself and a few others, [[Calling Out Jack Thaddius - Ahuviya|ADF]] was for [[/cwc/]], [[Calling Out &amp;quot;Julaaaay&amp;quot; - David|&amp;quot;David&amp;quot;]] was for [[PVCC (message board)|PVCC]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How do you feel about the [[Calling Out]] saga getting cut short by [[Bob]]'s death?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|There was no way we could've expected that until Bob's last few weeks so it was perfectly understandable to cut it off. It was a shame though, it could've been great.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Who is your favorite past CWC-troll?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Jack Thaddeus]]. I liked his [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|phone calls]] the most, and the [[Chris humps his PS3|PS3-humping]] is my favourite video.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you acquire the videos on CWCVilleProductions?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I run CWCvilleProductions for Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did you manage to contact Chris by luck, or through some plan?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|A little bit of both.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Can you tell us any people Chris would have called out, had the [[Calling Out]] Saga not ended early?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Clyde]], Ricky L. Darius.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Were the other trolls in on your plan, or were they not expecting this?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Most of the stuff I did in cooperation with the trolls but a lot of the behind the scenes back-and-forth stuff between me &amp;amp; Chris is just the two of us.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Are you authorized to tell us how Chris discovered the [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia]] forum? If so, how?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I actually can't even remember.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Was Chris eating a cheese pizza funnier then your original plan of eating a block of cheese?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'd hoped he would gag or possibly puke by the end of it. Unfortunately he literally just ate the pizza without telling me and sent me the video. No, it was terrible and it resulted in the [[saga]] ending in a fizzle.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Sup. Do you know the span of time in which Chris recorded his latest smash album [[SPARKLE like you mean it: ROBEE'S BALLAD|SPARKLE like you mean it]]? What's up with the [[Jackie]] references?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not following that stuff but I assume it's from the Jackie saga.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Does Chris know by now that the [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia|Tompeople of Virginia forum]] was a scheme against him or is he still in the dark about this?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Chances are Chris doesn't even remember Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia. He hasn't brought it up with me once and hasn't posted since he outed himself as CWC.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you have any info about Chris's reaction to his [[Bob_Chandler#Cause_of_death|father's death]] and how long did it took him to get over it?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I do, but basically what happened is he cried and was sad and by now he's fine. There's not much more to it than that.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Are you still in contact with Chris through one of the trollsonas by which he knows you? If so can you update us on how his life has been since the beginning of the latest radio silence?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yes, but infrequently. He often ignores my emails and it usually takes three to seven days for him to reply when he does respond. At least I still have a line to him though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did you made him do that [[It's not that cold|digging up Patti]] vid or was it something he came up by himself? If it's the former, how did you made him do that?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Neither, he did that for a third party. I don't even know too much about how they got him to do it but it was pretty damned funny.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Does he or did he had a fake [[sweetheart]] that we don't know of at any point during the latest saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Not that I know of, he's been rocking the single card for quite a while.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know the identities of any of the posters of the [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia|Tomboy and Tomgirls of Virginia]] forum other than Chris?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I know all the identities, but that's totally [[Autism|sperg-tier]] information that doesn't need to be made public solely because of its own irrelevance.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is Chris stupid enough that he's still using the ChrisChanSonichu@aol.com email address, the one that's been on the [[CWCki]] for ever? Not asking for the new one if he changed it, too many [[For Julies Eyes Only|JULLLAAAAY]] idiots, just curious.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Chris has it locked up so that only emails he verefies ''[sic]'' can send shit to him. Everything else literally just gets deleted automatically.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What was he doing during the radio silence? Besides the crazy shit going on now, did Chris and [[Barb]] make an effort to clean up the house, or did they just [[28 October 2011|plot to kill]] that dang dirty [[Snyder]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|They really hate Snyder now. But as for the general goings-on Chris plays [[PS3]] and Barb does whatever the fuck Barb does. They go out a lot I guess since Bob isn't around.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|In your opinion, has the full weight of the [[28 October 2011|October Incident]] hit him, or does he believe he will triumph and plans to talk about &amp;quot;da [[trolls]]!&amp;quot; in court?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm going to say no, it hasn't. He doesn't understand the severity of the situation and believes (obviously, being Chris) that he'll win the court case and Michael will go to jail for being a slanderous troll and kicking him out of the [[GAMe PLACe]]. Chances are [[Rob Bell|his lawyer]] will tell him not to talk about the trolls though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Based on close-hand knowledge, do you think Chris has the capability of true, actual violence at the level where he is a danger (moreso than just driving like a [[Autism|tard]])?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|No. Chris is a manbaby, he doesn't have the tardstrength to inflict serious harm on anyone.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What was Chris's biggest self-deluded moment of triumph? Did he ever get any smugger than the 'Calling Out' saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Hard to say. It could be any one of his victories over the past 20 years, ranging from [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch &amp;amp; Win Sweepstakes|Watch &amp;amp; Win]] to [[Calling Out]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you contact Chris? Email? Phone? Some other way?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Email, mostly.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How would have [[Clyde]]'s Calling Out videos been?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|The endgame. So picture smug Chris x100.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you get the idea to do the [[Calling Out]] videos?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|It was the most logical thing to do given the situation.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What do you think Chris and his [[mom]]'s verdicts will be?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Guilty, with a slap on the wrist/community service for being a [[Slow-in-the-minds|exceptional individual]] and a widow.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Since you are a current member of the PVCC, can you tell us what it's like to dispel all the rumors?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Boring. We just talk about stuff any other forum would. The Chris forum is dead, and when a new video is released we all flock in to say &amp;quot;Hahaha what a [[fat]] exceptional individual he'll always do something stupider than he just did&amp;quot; and then leave again.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Besides the already noted [[Clyde]] part, what would have happened if [[Bob]] didn't die and the [[Assault and battery|Snyder incident]] didn't happen?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not sure. Everything that was planned was for the short-term, I kind of just waited to see what Chris did and then rolled with it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|One more question: is there any trolls you dislike?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Kacey]]. Fuck her. She had the opportunity to do [[Kacey calls|phone calls]], tons of them (my favourite form of Chris trolling) and instead of allowing Chris to be retarded and say funny shit on his own she just shot him down and cut him off every time he tried to open his mouth, making the calls boring and a chore to listen to through her constant bitching. Good examples are the [[Father Call|father calls]] and the [[Kacey and Liquid Call|Liquid call]]. In both calls, as soon as Chris started to kick it into rage mode, Kacey steps in and pulls her &amp;quot;DON'T YOU FUCKING YELL AT HIM&amp;quot; shit causing Chris to fall back and revert to his passive agreement mode.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Anyway, here's my humble question: are you really Canadian, and if so, do you really live in B.C.?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yes, but I live in Nova Scotia.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know anything about the Chandler's financial situation? Did they get life insurance from [[Bob_Chandler#Cause_of_death|Bob's death]] or are they really short on cash? On a related note, do you know if [[Rob Bell|his lawyer]] is working pro bono?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't know, I assume [[Church|their church]] has been helping them out financially since Bob died. I do know that Chris does get a bonus on his [[Tugboat|monthly retard cheque]] by about $400 now, so he makes well over $1000. Which is more than I make in a month. Which is fucked.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you have any idea what were Chris's plans for the aftermath of the [[calling out]] saga? Would he have returned to uploading vidoes ''[sic]'' on [[YouTube]] full time after being led to believe that all his tormentors were defeated?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I can't say for sure what would've happened but he likely wouldn't have done anything afterwards. He's too lazy and has gotten used to not doing videos, unless it directly benefits him he won't do it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did he produce any new [[Sonichu comics]] after the incomplete [[Sonichu 11]] was released? Does he have any plans to continue the series?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Nope, he's basically done with Sonichu.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did [[Barb]] and [[Bob]] planned for the day they're both gone by setting up a trust/caregiver for Chris in advance, or is he destined to beg for food like a feral Sonichu once Barb hits the bucket?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't think [[Bob_Chandler#Cause_of_death|Bob's death]] benefited the Chandlers very much, so I assume there was no plan for Chris. Like I said, his cheque is now enough to live off of if he moved into a small apartment and paid for only the necessities. However; this is Chris we're talking about, so he's destined to forever be in debt. Moreso now that Bob is dead and can't control his spending.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Speaking of plans for the future... Does Chris have any? Where does he sees himself in a couple of years?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|[[Chris and work|Working full time]] and living in a nice house in [[Charlottesville]] with a [[Sweetheart|wife]], [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|two]] [[Reginald Chandler|kids]], and a dog. I, on the other hand, see him playing [[PS4]] all day while [[Barb]] is dying in the next room and eating [[McDonalds]] and Hungry Mans.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is there anything interesting you can tell us about [[Bob]]'s funeral? Were any of Bob's [[Alan Chandler|estranged]] [[Carol Chandler|children]]/[[Cole]]/[[trolls]]/field agents present? Is Chris still in contact with his half-siblings?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't know much about the funeral but it was probably a small one, the people in attendance were basically [[Barb]], [[Chris]], maybe [[David Alan Chandler|David]] and some of their congregation. [[Cole]] is actually Barb's son, and he hated Bob, so there's zero chance he'd be there.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you have any interesting stories about your contacts with Chris which you'd like to share (like the stories [[Ivy]] volunteered in [[Ivy Q&amp;amp;A|her Q&amp;amp;A]])?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yes, but we'll have to wait until all of this blows over, sorry.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|In the first revision of the article on [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]], which was written by you, the text read &amp;quot;T&amp;amp;ToV is highly regarded as a complete success, and much of the later content is considered a bonus&amp;quot;. Can you tell us more about this additional content?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Originally we just wanted to get maybe a post or two from Chris explaining what he's been doing as a [[tomgirl]]. Once we got that, he took it further and started going on about how [[Bob]] called him a [[Homos|fag]] and all the girly toys he's been buying. We consider that extra stuff a bonus because it happened after we agreed that the plan was a success.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Oh and another question about the events... did he come up with [[Kaka Makeup Basics|make up tips vid]] on his own or someone put him up to it? I find it hard to believe he chose the moniker &amp;quot;Kaka&amp;quot; on his own but then again it is Chris after all.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not sure, I didn't get him to do that one.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Are the likes of [[Clyde]] and [[Jack Thaddeus|Thaddeus]] still active? (and will Clyde 'return'?)}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Clyde himself probably won't. He posts on PVCC every now and then but he's pretty bored with the whole Clyde Cash shit. Thaddeus is still around but not active in trolling Chris.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Can you tell us about [[Kim]]? Or give us a few tidbits of information?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Can't, sorry.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Alot of people here say the PVCC have witheld plenty of info. To me that's fine, because it serves a better purpose; giving us complete [[sagas]]. It has been asked here before, but are there any operations being run currently that we will enjoy?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Not that I know of but I haven't talked to the inner circle since Skyrim came out so who knows. Also keep in mind that PVCC and the Inner Circle are seperate entities, like I said PVCC is literally just a private forum at this point. Also all the HOARARED LUZL is really really boring and will probably never be released because no one wants to see it, trust me.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did you think [[Bluespike]] went too far? (i personally didn't i got a great laugh out of it) oh and is there a video of [[Julie Reveals Herself|that call]]? It seemed to be mentioned in the audio.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Honestly I don't see what the big deal is. If anything Chris went too far. I thought the Bluespike stuff was funny, a lot of people don't, but w/e. Bluespike's my bro. I think it was just a video stream through the [[PSN]], I'm pretty sure only the audio exists at this point.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Does Chris know about [[Harry Partridge]]'s comments about him being '[[naive]]'?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Probably not. Also while I'm talking about Harry, I might as well mention that he's not the troll hunter. I talked to him about it and he confirmed it for me, there's also subtle differences between the two if you pay close enough attention.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is [[Tomgirl]] really and truly over?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Dunno, maybe.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|During the &amp;quot;calling out&amp;quot; saga, what did you think of [[Wristwatch-SwissWatch for Jeremy &amp;quot;Thorg&amp;quot;|that strange video]] about watches that Chris made for you? And, why do you think he made it?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Okay here's the story behind Wristwatch-Swisswatch or whatever the fuck Chris named that. On PVCC everyone was wondering how Chris would sound if he pronounced &amp;quot;wristwatch&amp;quot;. Some thought &amp;quot;wriss wratch&amp;quot;, some thought &amp;quot;wisswoss&amp;quot;, etc. So I told him to make an otherwise normal video adressed to Thorg subtly saying &amp;quot;wristwatch&amp;quot; a few times. That video was Chris being subtle.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Why did you really retire? Chris thinks it's because he beat you into submission or something. Also, why did [[Tito]] &amp;quot;Surrender&amp;quot; or something, to Chris? I know he didn't really give in to the manchild. He must have had an important reason in order to fake something like that. Was it college or something?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Tito is busy with school. Since I'm a greasy nerd who isn't in high school anymore and lives with his parents I have all the time in the world to fuck with a retard on the internet.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Where did Chris get fake info about yourself, as well as other trolls? Did someone from that [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia|old Tomgirl forum]] email him false information?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|All the information is 100% true and accurate.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How has Chris been doing [[Health|physically]]? I noted on the talk page for the quote I just pasted that someone noticed a bunch of [[Drugs|pill bottles]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Dunno, [[fat]] I guess.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What of his [[sweetheart search]], is that going on? I get the feeling that he's too tired to continue it.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I can confirm that Mr. Chandler is still, in fact, a [[virgin]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Were you guys surprised when [[Tito]] got [[Tomgirl Pictures|Tomgirl photos]], or there were reports from FAs/Chris himself has showed sympthoms of that something's bizarre going on? Since this was an obvious reference to his new lifestyle and there is [[Jackie]] mentioned...}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I found it pretty funny I suppose. I wasn't in the inner circle at the time they were released so I didn't know what the story was behind them.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you think Chris will ever give up being a [[tomgirl]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|At some point I'm sure he'll realize how stupid he looks and how it's not going to get him a girlfreind.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What's the difference between the inner circle and the PVCC?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Inner Circle does the trolling. They meet seperately, keep most things between themselves, organize everything, etc. They're members of PVCC but they don't do any important stuff there. Like I said, PVCC is literally just a normal forum now. Back in the day it organized the Chris stuff but there's far too many idle lurkers there now to do anything serious. Most PVCC members are cool though, if they wanted to they could troll CWC (providing there was an opportunity), a lot of people just don't want to.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know why [[Liquid Chris]] closed his [[Youtube]] account?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I'm not sure, he's probably trying to disassociate himself with Chris and get on with his life though. Can't really blame him.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How did you begin contact with Chris?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|If you do enough digging you can put the pieces together and figure it out.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Did they ever sell that TV?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Probably not.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Assuming that the pair does only get off with a slap on the wrist come December, do you think that will be the end of that episode or do you anticipate more lulz to follow?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I despise the word &amp;quot;lulz&amp;quot;. Who knows, it's Chris. Anything can happen.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is new content from chris foreseeable in the near future? Like..before winter break is over? ;D}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|There'll definitely be new content in the future. I can't say when, though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What is your opinion of the [[CWCki]], [[CWCki Forums|its forums]], and [[/cwc/]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I enjoy browsing the [[CWCki]], I browse for about a half hour every day. I don't really care for the forums, it's just not my kind of forum. I've grown to love [[/cwc/]] and browse it all the time.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What did Chris do when he didn't receive the money from [[Tito]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|He wasn't supposed to ask for any money after it was explained to him that what he was doing was extortion, but when Tito said &amp;quot;I...I'll give you the money&amp;quot; in the video Chris assumed it was okay to tack that demand on again. I think he forgot about it though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|If the PVCC isn't much about discussing Chris anymore, then why is it still private?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|We just don't want [[Autism|spergs]] spergin' up the place. We're comfortable with how it is now. People can still get in, it's just difficult.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Do you know who nudged Chris into becoming a [[tomgirl]]?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Legit don't, sorry.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How do you think Chris would react to the various [[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]] &amp;quot;fan&amp;quot; works being done on this forum?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't know, I haven't browsed the forum outside of this thread. He'd probably sigh and poop himself or something.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Why would nobody want to see the &amp;quot;hoarded lulz&amp;quot;, other then being boring? Can you give an example of how boring/bad/etc. they are?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't have much hoarded lulz, I'm just going by what the others told me, they have more stuff because they've been doing it longer.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Has Chris told you anything about [[28 October 2011|the GAMe PLACe incident]] last month?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Yeah. He mad.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is there anything else that was unplanned during the [[Calling Out]] Saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|A couple of minor things I can't think of off the top of my head.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Will Chris ever finish the Calling Out Saga?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Possibly, Chris kind of wants to.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is Chris easily predicted? It seems he always suprises us, but in your opinion, is that more to do with well planned trolling or just his way?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Chris does surprise us all, but he's very predictable and incredibly easy to manipulate.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Is there any epic trolling plans that havn't come to fruition due to [[Bob]]'s death/Chris's withdrawal from the world?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Possibly, but I can't tell you too much about it because I wasn't involved.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Youve mentioned enjoying [[Bluespike]] and [[Liquid]](not [[Kacey]]!), is there any other incidents or [[sagas]], apart from your own fine work you enjoyed?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I liked all of the [[Ivy]] stuff. The [[CWCipedia]] was really fun, and I wish it didn't end so soon. [[Asperchu]] and [[Surfshack Tito]] were good too.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|You've also mentioned that the '[[Christorical_eras#Classic_Trolling:_2007_to_2010|golden age]]' of Chris has passed. Do you think he will ever be drawn into a big saga again?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|The thing with the Golden Age was that it was basically a constant stream of Chris content. There was always something going on, and you'd see new videos every week. Now we're lucky if we get a few videos a year. It's possible there will be more sagas though.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Has Chris shown any differences in personality since last year?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Kind of. He's definitely changed over the past few years from harmless retard to angry vengeful douche.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|What do you think of this trolling plan: somebody manages to contact Chris, pretend to be a tomboy interested in dating a [[tomgirl]], and hook up?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I think someone tried to do that before, and failed.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|How ethical do you think trolling Chris is, and why do you feel that way?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|I don't really care about the ethics of it, I do it for fun, but I certainly don't think it's unethical. If Chris doesn't like being trolled, he should stop allowing himself to be trolled. Someone on [[/cwc/]] once said something along the lines of &amp;quot;There's a difference between Chris and an Animal. If you poke an animal with a stick, it will leave. If that animal is Chris, it'll turn around and present its anus for the stick&amp;quot;. At this point, it's all Chris' fault so there's nothing unethical about what we do.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Have you ever seen Chris in person, perhaps without him knowing?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|Considering Chris lives fifteen-hundred kilometers away it's doubtful.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|Who was [[Magical Man|that guy]] in that [[Magical Man Potion|one Chris video that's involved in a Jekyll and Hyde skit and is in his room]], and there's a follow up where he's filming Chris doing a tutorial for his PS3?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|No idea. Even the inner circle doesn't know. We assume someone from his [[church]].}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quotebox|A coupe of weeks ago someone posted on [[/cwc/]] [[28_October_2011#Email?|an email]] supposedly from Chris, explaining the events of [[28 October 2011|28 October]]. I can't find the link to the original [[/cwc/]] thread about this, but I remember reading posts from [[Tito]] (who was not the one who posted the alleged email) saying he believes it is real. Do you concur? Is there anything more you can tell us about this, the person who supposedly corresponded with Chris or about the latest [[game place]] incident in general?}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quoteboxgray|All I can tell you is that it's pretty much what went down.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Ivy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Doopie Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Alec Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&lt;br /&gt;
{{References}}&lt;br /&gt;
{{CallingOutSaga}}&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Goodhoward: /* Idea Guy influences */&lt;/p&gt;
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&lt;div&gt;:''This article discusses the award-winning comic series '''''Asperchu''''' and its relationship with [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]]. For information about the ''Asperchu'' series itself, please see [[Asperchu/Background]].''&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Image:Asperchu.jpg|thumb|The TRUE and HONEST Asperchu]]&lt;br /&gt;
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'''''Asperchu''''' is a multiple award-winning comic series created by [[Alec Benson Leary]]. His [[Chris and art|deft artwork]], [[Chris and writing|gripping stories, and excellent characterization]] has resulted in the series gaining hundreds of fans in the few short months since its inception. Many of these fans were discontented followers of the [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' comics]], who were turned off by the comics becoming exponentially more disturbing.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Similarities to Chris==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Asperchu-and-sonichu-meet.jpg|thumb|left|The first drawing Alec sent Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Vote sonichu for DA.jpg|thumb|[[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] for DA.]]&lt;br /&gt;
While Alec has stated that Asperchu is not a parody of [[Chris]],&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 32]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; there are many similarities between the two. Both of them are [[Obesity|overweight]], [[Pedo-Glasses|bespectacled]], [[The Classic|striped-shirt wearing]] [[naïve]] individuals who find themselves somewhat out of place in the world. They both address the masses through [[List of videos|YouTube videos]], and both are preoccupied with finding a [[boyfriend-free girl]] to make into a [[sweetheart]].&lt;br /&gt;
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These similarities between the two characters have resulted in no shortage of [[Chris and anger|rage]] from Chris. He seems to feel that the only reason Asperchu exists is to poke fun at him. He also takes serious offense at the idea of a [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]] who suffers from [[Asperger syndrome]], for [[Chris and his ego|some reason]].&lt;br /&gt;
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==Chris on Asperchu==&lt;br /&gt;
{{quote|''Die'', you son of a bitch! Alec... '''Die'''.|[[Chris]]&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Down With Asperchu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;}}&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:AsperchuNoHomo.JPG|thumb|The second drawing Alec sent Chris.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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It's no secret that Chris hates Asperger's syndrome (and presumably everybody that suffers from it), due to some illusory sense of competition between Asperger's and other disorders on the [[autism]] spectrum. The knowledge that someone had created a series about an [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]] who suffered from the affliction did not sit well with him. He became even angrier when the creator of the series himself started sending him e-mails.&lt;br /&gt;
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The first recorded communication we have between Alec and Chris implies that Alec had been in contact with him multiple times outside of the public view and that Chris had responded to these communications negatively.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 10#Meet Asperchu]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Chris didn't respond any better on his public mailbag, claiming that Alec was jealous of him and inexplicably alleging that the included fan art of Asperchu and Sonichu implied [[homos]]exuality.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Upset that Chris would jump to such conclusions, Alec sent him another letter, depicting Sonichu and Asperchu having good, masculine, straight fun.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Mailbag 17#Sonichu loves Asperchu no homo]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; This letter was even more poorly received.&lt;br /&gt;
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Undaunted, Alec continued to send letters to Chris's mailbag, thinking that perhaps the man he respected so much really just misunderstood him. A few of these letters were [[Mailbag 19#A very Asperchu Christmas|ignored]], some were [[Mailbag 28#Hey kids, it's Asperchu!|coldly dismissed]], but Chris's most [[Mailbag 31#Asperchu is the shit|notable]] [[Mailbag 32#Parodies|responses]] were explosive outbursts of [[Chris and anger|anger]] and hatred. Eventually, Chris began [[Mailbag 35#No comment|refusing to respond]] to Alec's correspondence, or [[Mailbag 34#Asperpedia!|deleting his messages outright]].&lt;br /&gt;
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In ''Asperchu'' Issue C, Chris made an appearance asking for help from the characters to save Asperchu. Later, he and [[Liquid Chris|CChanSonichuCWC]] met up with each other, leading to a standoff where Chris tried to shoot him. Chris [[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke|responded]] to the comic, mentioning that he was set on fire in the comic. He didn't seem to notice that he was also called by the name [[Ian Brandon Anderson]], nor did he notice the appearance of Liquid Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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When the ''Asperchu'' saga started taking off, Chris's schedule for [[Sonichu (comic)|his own comic]] [[stress|dropped drastically]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Beyond this, Chris made clear that he also hates the comic because of its &amp;quot;uncensored pictures&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;low resolution and blocky art&amp;quot;. Here, we see Chris's [[Chris and hypocrisy|hypocrisy]] in action. The &amp;quot;uncensored pictures&amp;quot; he's all up in arms over are just minor posters hung up mostly in Asperchu's room and even so, they are mostly hidden away by the character's heads. Chris's &amp;quot;uncensored pictures&amp;quot; are done by the main characters in full view, despite the fact that ''Sonichu'' is supposed to be a &amp;quot;kids' comic&amp;quot;. Chris probably took the terms &amp;quot;blocky&amp;quot; and &amp;quot;low-resolution&amp;quot; from the ''[[Family Guy]]'' episode {{w|Road to the Multiverse}}. Of course, compared to Chris's [[Chris and art|art]], it's practically the fucking [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sistine_Chapel_ceiling ceiling of the Sistine Chapel.] It helps that Alec is humble and doesn't try to act like his artwork is amazing and worthy of being hung in a museum.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Asperpedia==&lt;br /&gt;
[[Image:Haitihelp.JPG|thumb|Clearly, Asperchu is pure evil.]]&lt;br /&gt;
After finishing the first three issues of his comic, Alec Benson Leary set up his own Mediawiki website where one could read all existing comics, as well as a number of articles about the world of ''Asperchu'', and read fan mail answered by Mr. Leary. Soon afterward, portals were added to the site for other notable comics, such as [[Evan]]'s [[Evan#Simonchu|''Simonchu'']], {{anchor|Sean}} and ''Sonichu is Dead'' creator Sean August Watley's latest project, ''[[Moon-Pals]]''. In [[February 2010]], more comics were added, including Alec's ''Sonichu Revolution'', Sean's ''Sonichu is Dead'' and ''Sonichu is Gay'', and Isabel Monday's ''Capering Berries''.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Jack Thaddeus]], recognizing the incredible profit potential of ''Asperchu'', immediately began advertising the new website on the [[CWCipedia]]. Chris responded to these new ads, and his newfound knowledge of Alec's website with a series of increasingly disturbing videos&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Down with Asperchu]], [[12 January 2010]], [[14 January 2010]], [[15 January 2010]], [[U8C43P2A37A8 y U8C1N023V0L]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; where he made his opinions on the matter quite clear.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alec, being a gentle soul, has not directly responded to any of Chris's offensive videos. When [[Down with Asperchu#Alec's response to the video|asked by a concerned fan]], he outlined his planned course of action as one of peace, citing his personal hero, {{w|Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi|Mahatma Gandhi}}. His webmaster, Mao &amp;quot;Bamboo&amp;quot; Ling has opted for a more direct approach, speaking to Chris directly in two short [[YouTube]] videos.&lt;br /&gt;
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The large banner ad for Asperpedia was replaced by a link to information on the U.S. Government's efforts to help the victims of {{w|2010 Haiti earthquake|the earthquake in Haiti}}, because Alec cares about the plight of his fellow men.&lt;br /&gt;
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Due to the growing popularity of ''Asperchu'' over ''Sonichu'', the site later set up a fan portal where aspiring writers can make their own ''Sonichu'' fanfictions. Various pre-existing titles, including ''Sonichu: The Animated Series'', are also hosted in the fan section. There is even a parody version of [[CWCipedia]] set up by Mao, where totally fictitious articles on ''Sonichu''-related things are made, including photoshopped images of the original comic.&lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually, on May 27, 2010, Mao took complete control of CWCipedia, after which Alec and [[Vivian Gee]] started uploading ''Sonichu'' Season 2. The CWCipedia was then permanently deleted for Mao to gain the upper hand after noting to the Comic Fury staff that, without ''Sonichu'' and Chris to bargain for a lower price, they must be forced to sign with him. The rights to the Asperpedia was then sold for $150,000.&lt;br /&gt;
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The Asperpedia was eventually shut down, however, according to Alec Benson Leary, &amp;quot;It was run by a spazlord who took it down randomly in a fidgety fit one day. I didn't care to fight for it.&amp;quot;&lt;br /&gt;
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===The 19 January Demands===&lt;br /&gt;
On 19 January 2010, Chris uploaded twelve new pages of [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], which are centered mostly around Asperchu and the Asperpedia. [[Chris and his Ego|Ever the heroic savior]], Chris pictures himself, along with [[Ultra Sonichu]], destroying the slanderous Asperpedia and saving Alec's characters from their [[Asperger syndrome|terrible affliction]], with Asperchu himself getting an &amp;quot;EXTREME ELECTRIC MAKEOVER&amp;quot; and becoming &amp;quot;[[Mitch Sonichu]]&amp;quot;.&lt;br /&gt;
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Not content with this, Chris then issued an ultimatum to Alec through a blog post:&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Quote|Although within Alec's Hands, Asperchu IS a horrific joke, not only because of the uncensored nudity, wrongful character usage and all that, but also because the whole thing is drawn in a c***py Blocky and Low Resolution way.&lt;br /&gt;
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I still have NO association with Alec Benson Leary OR HIS Asperchu character Whatsoever, but I will forgive Alec for his error if he FOLLOWS from my new plot and Extreme Electric Makeover as a template. He is no longer &amp;quot;Asperchu&amp;quot;, just call him [[Mitch Sonichu]].|Chris's featured quote on January 19, 2010.}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Alec didn't listen to Chris's demands, instead keeping everyone there and just introducing Mitch Sonichu as simply &amp;quot;Mitch Chu&amp;quot;, who appears to be a [[Homos|gay stylist]], as well as Whisp Sonichu as the character Whispy Sonichu, Punchy's [[slow-in-the-mind]] cousin.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Apologies==&lt;br /&gt;
In [[Apologies to Alec and Evan|a 1 February 2010 video]], Chris finally admitted that Asperchu was not a [[parody]] of himself or his original creation, Sonichu, and was instead a completely original character. He also apologized for spreading lies about Alec, such as suggesting that he [[Mailbag 50|only responded to fan mail that puts him in a positive light]], and for the constant [[death threats]] against him. In addition, he apologized for trying to commandeer [[Evan]]'s [[Simonchu]] character (though he tactfully avoided mentioning his blatant ripoff, [[Simonla]]).&lt;br /&gt;
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However, Chris's real motivations quickly become obvious as he proceeded to beg Alec and Evan to help him take down the [[CWCipedia#CWCipedia Advertisements|CWCipedia ads]], which had become increasingly homoerotic and insulting to Chris.&lt;br /&gt;
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A few days later, Chris made [[I am Alive|another video]] fully apologizing for his threats towards the four, deciding to give up Simonla and delivering a half-assed Forgiveness Blessing to Mao, in the hope of finally removing the ads (which also included a [[parody]] of [[ShecameforCWC.JPG]] involving him and [[Snorlax|his mom]] and an obituary for Chris).&lt;br /&gt;
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On 25 [[February 2010]], Chris released the last pages of [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], in which he did kill off [[Simonla]]... but turned around and ''brutally executed'' the &amp;quot;Asperpedia Four.&amp;quot; &lt;br /&gt;
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[[Book10Replacement|A revised version]], inspired by Chris's [[sweetheart]] [[Jackie]], replaced the death sentences with a lifetime placement among the Amish. Jackie insisted on a parade in honor of Alec and Asperchu&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 19]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Jackie E-mails 20]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Lars Call]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; but Chris did not honor his promise.&lt;br /&gt;
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By 2017, Chris had become more amenable towards ''Sonichu'' fan-fiction and parodies. He apologized to Alec in a Facebook post that October and offered that if Alec would print ''Asperchu'' through a self-publishing site, he would trade printed ''Sonichu'' in exchange.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://sonichu.com/cwcki/October_2017_Facebook_posts#Print_editions_for_fancomics&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Phone calls==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Alec Benson Leary calls}}&lt;br /&gt;
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{{quote|Encourage the fans that were originally my fans to come back to me.|Chris}}&lt;br /&gt;
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On 9 [[February 2010]], [[Mao]] sent [[Evan]] and [[Sean]] a series of seven phone conversations between Alec Benson Leary and Chris. While these conversations were meant to stay between the [[Asperpedia]] staff, they were eventually leaked by Mao for the world to hear. An [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 8|eighth]] and [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 9|ninth]] phone call between Chris and Alec followed on 18 February and 25 February, respectively.&lt;br /&gt;
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Alec also portrayed [[Jackie#Lars|Lars]] in a phone call with Chris.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/abl-q-a.805/#post-54378&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==Trial and execution of Asperpedia staff==&lt;br /&gt;
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{{Quote|We can't be consumed by our petty differences anymore.|Chris, [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]}}&lt;br /&gt;
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Despite Alec attempting to help Chris out several times during the phone calls, Chris involved Alec (along with Mao, Sean, and Evan) in the penultimate pages of [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]. They are portrayed as stupid, murderous characters, who are tried by [[CWCville]]'s court for the murder of [[Simonla Rosechu]], as well as the theft and mockery of several citizens of CWCville. After a kangaroo court trial (in CWCville's favor, of course), Alec and co. are sentenced to death, Alec specifically in a &amp;quot;ten-button Electric chair&amp;quot;. He is electrocuted to death by various characters that were &amp;quot;misrepresented&amp;quot; in ''Asperchu'', including Sonichu, who states that he is [[Homos|&amp;quot;not gay&amp;quot;]] as he jointly ends Alec's life. Chris himself joins in on the fun, and ironically, and also hypocritically, states that Alec is a &amp;quot;d*** lunatic,&amp;quot; after which he helps fry him to a crisp, before proceeding to violently contort Mao's limbs backward until they snap using telekinesis, followed shortly after by crushing his heart. Evan is horribly mutilated by [[Sandy Rosechu]] whilst chained to a wall, and Sean is executed by a firing squad from [[Bill the Scientist]], [[Kel]], and [[Allison]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Amidst this brutality, Chris sees fit to [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Calls|apologize]] for some of his own wrongdoings towards the Asperchu Four, as well as his fans.&lt;br /&gt;
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In recent updates to [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]], Chris made good on his promise to &amp;quot;revive&amp;quot; Simonla. However, the pages reveal that [[:Image:Son11p22.jpg|she never died in the first place]]. This means that Chris set up the trial on a whim just so he would have a convenient excuse to kill Alec, Mao, Sean, and Evan.&lt;br /&gt;
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==''Sonichu Revolution''==&lt;br /&gt;
When the CWCipedia was taken down during the [[Simonchu]] dispute, it appeared Chris was not going to budge and would [[9_February_2010|possibly set up shop elsewhere]]. Considering Chris's laziness, how long that might take was anyone's guess. The possibility that no new comics would appear for days, weeks, or even months was likely, and this didn't take into account how often Chris's new digs would get hacked. Fortunately, Alec, being the nice guy that he is, decided ''Sonichu'' fans should not be deprived of the promised reboot. He took it upon himself to not only deliver fans new pages through Chris's site but to also take care of the looming copyright issues that Chris had been unwilling to tackle. All while still uploading new ''Asperchu'' comics.  &lt;br /&gt;
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Chris, of course, took this in entirely the wrong way. In the [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 8|eighth phone call]], he accused Alec of stealing his work and attempting to impersonate him. While he expressed offense at the violence of some of the ''Sonichu Revolution'' strips, he showed no signs of grasping the way Alec's comic mocks the unoriginality, moral hypocrisy, sexual degeneracy, and generally warped outlook of Chris's original ''Sonichu'' stories.&lt;br /&gt;
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===''Sonichu Revolution'' Gallery===&lt;br /&gt;
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==CWCipedia advertisements==&lt;br /&gt;
[[File:Asperchuissue5ad.jpg|thumb|200px|The ad in question.]]&lt;br /&gt;
Shortly after 110mb returned from what may have been its billionth outage, a large ''Asperchu'' ad appeared at the top of every article, depicting [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] shooting Chris in the calves ([[Sonichu Special 4|sound familiar?]]) while calling him a &amp;quot;[[Honest Content|fat little son of a bitch]]&amp;quot;. Chris claimed that the ad didn't get to him, but given [[Address to my Cwcipedia SysOp|his history with trollsome ads]], a non-reaction was nigh-impossible.&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Jackie e-mails|Jackie]] came across this ad and, thinking it was one of the ''Sonichu'' comics, thought it was, as advertised, ''fucking awesome''. Chris explained to her it was really a troll advertisement, which eventually led to him showing her [[CWCki]] and her finding out what a lazy monster he is, ending the online correspondence. So even if it failed to provoke a response from Chris, it managed to perform some small service in [[The Miscreants|the larger scheme of things]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:AsperchuMarkDeux.jpg|thumb|left|200px|The (other) ad in question.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Eventually, the ad was taken down, although it was quickly replaced with another, smaller one featuring a callback to the scene of [[Evan]]'s cold-blooded torture from [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]. Chris never responded to this, most likely because he was too busy [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|bitching about not being unbanned from The GAMe PLACe]].&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Sonichu0.jpg|thumb|200px|The (final) ad in question.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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Yet another ad was put up a few days later, depicting Chris's final death. It was taken down relatively quickly and replaced with an Autism Awareness Month ad (featuring a mention of the hated [[Asperger's syndrome]], no less), so it isn't unreasonable to believe Chris may have missed this one entirely.&lt;br /&gt;
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== Legacy ==&lt;br /&gt;
One of the last surviving relics of the ''Asperchu'' saga met its demise during the [[Destruction Of Chris's House|fire]] which ravaged [[14 Branchland Court]] on 10 [[January 2014]]. The Asperchu [[medallion]], gifted to Chris by Alec, was destroyed in the fire, as Chris revealed in a [[Facebook]] post on [[August 2014 Facebook Posts#Fan items lost in the fire|2 August 2014]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[August 2014 Facebook Posts#Fan items lost in the fire|August 2014 Facebook Posts]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Notably, the somber tone Chris takes on in this post when recalling the destruction of this and other fan items seems to suggest that his feelings toward Alec and ''Asperchu'' as a whole may have softened over the years, though he could have just been feigning this for sympathy to [[Chris and money|e-beg]].&lt;br /&gt;
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Strangely, Chris stated that he did not know who made the medallion (or any of the other lost fan creations), suggesting that he [[Slow-in-the-minds|might not remember Alec at all]].&lt;br /&gt;
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''Asperchu'' was mentioned in the [[CatKnight Interview]], in which Arthur Spatchcock brought up the series as a potential threat to ''Sonichu''&amp;lt;nowiki&amp;gt;'s&amp;lt;/nowiki&amp;gt; distribution in Europe, likely due to Alec's claim on the copyright of the character Mitch Sonichu. Chris reasoned that Asperchu &amp;quot;is definitely not a canon character&amp;quot; in his comics, [[Retroactive continuity in Sonichu|except for when he is]], rendering the issue moot [[Chris and copyright|as far as Chris is concerned]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[CatKnight Interview]], [https://soundcloud.com/cat-knight-430471584/part-1-christine/s-iCiQa part 1], 8:40.&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt; Once again, Alec is not mentioned directly.&lt;br /&gt;
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==Idea Guy influences==&lt;br /&gt;
{{main|Idea Guys}}&lt;br /&gt;
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[[File:Alec as Bodhi.jpg|thumb|Chris believes this is Alec – actually Bodhi from ''Payday 2''.]]&lt;br /&gt;
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During the Idea Guy saga, Chris's belief in multiple dimensions was exploited and his sense of reality was hijacked to make changes to many of Chris's characters, concepts, and perspective of the real world, with him considering them to be valid. Ideas involving Alec and Asperchu include:&lt;br /&gt;
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*Chris wanted clarification over what really happened in [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]] and asked Idea Guy if Alec and the other Asperpedia Four trolls were saved by becoming Amish or executed. As the Idea Guy was a fan of ''Payday 2'', he used the character Bodhi's bio for a revised version of Alec, telling Chris that Alec had escaped and giving Chris the picture of Bodhi, saying it was Alec.&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[Idea Guy Q&amp;amp;A]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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*Asperchu is one of the [[69 Destined Sonichus and Rosechus]].&amp;lt;ref&amp;gt;[[:File:69_Sonichus.jpg]]&amp;lt;/ref&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==References==&lt;br /&gt;
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==See also==&lt;br /&gt;
*[[Asperchu/Background]]: More about the comic itself.&lt;br /&gt;
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==External links==&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://www.youtube.com/user/Asperchu Asperpedia's YouTube channel]&lt;br /&gt;
* [http://asperchu.thecomicseries.com/archive/ Asperchu on ComicFury]&lt;br /&gt;
* [https://archive.org/details/AsperpediaRecoveryFiles Asperpedia Comic Archive]&lt;br /&gt;
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