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User talk:Kwon/Chris and Martin Bryant: A Comparison

2010-10-27T08:39:10Z

Kwon:

cannot read or write

okay i'm gonna stop right there even though that's where i began because seriously chris isn't THAT bad. this is a bad comparison and you should feel bad. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 00:56, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

oh and welcome to the cwcki, why not try making articles look nicer instead of putting effort into something that does not contribute much insight? man i'm mean, no wonder new users don't join. meh. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 00:57, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

mate, what? You wanna try that again when the crack cocaine wears off?--[[User:Kwon|Kwon]] 01:09, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

okay, this is bad comparison because chris is not even close to this guy. not even close. like in grade school, chris never bullied anyone, if anything, he was the one being bullied. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 01:16, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

This guy didn't bully anyone either. He was the one who got bullied.

''"At school he ... suffered severe bullying by other children."''

--[[User:Kwon|Kwon]] 01:19, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

btw, I hope I'm not coming across as defensive, because I'm actually interested in your input...
--[[User:Kwon|Kwon]] 01:21, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

oh well i read this part though: He returned to school the following year with improved behaviour, however he persisted in teasing younger children. so basically, he's an asshole. whatever, still not chris

if you want my real input: just stop. more people who are normal and sleeping and not procrastinating on shit will tell you you should probably stop while you're ahead. the fact that you made like 7 comments on the whole fucking thing shows how "similar" these two people are. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 01:23, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

yeah, nah, probably won't stop. There's enough there to make it interesting. feel free to ignore it though. --[[User:Kwon|Kwon]] 01:39, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

User talk:Kwon/Chris and Martin Bryant: A Comparison

2010-10-27T08:21:34Z

Kwon:

User talk:Kwon/Chris and Martin Bryant: A Comparison

2010-10-27T08:19:43Z

Kwon:

CWCki:General

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For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.

== Da update is used for Chris updates...but what about other updates? ==
For example, I don't think the Lucas video game pictures should be on the update, but it should be noteworthy. Should it placed in da update or no? Also if you're wondering what pictures, I'M WORKING ON IT. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 21:33, 9 September 2010 (PDT)
:Where should I stick the pictures? I uploaded them with Lucas commentary on them. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 12:42, 10 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think either the list of Chris's games article or the video games article. Leaning towards the video games article, if only because the list article is already pretty damned huge. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 14:07, 10 September 2010 (PDT)

== Image purge project ==
According to the Spongepedia (also hosted by dreamhost), 500 internal server error may be caused by TOO MANY IMAGES. In any case, I'm sick of seeing shitty images that do nothing to enhance articles as well. please tag images that are useless on their talk pages for deletion. kthx [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:45, 10 September 2010 (PDT)
*Based on what you told me about the Spongebob wiki, their problem was also due to image size. Perhaps if we work on resizing images down to less than 30kb?--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:34, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
::Eh, the 500 errors are a configuration/setup issue. I highly doubt images are the root cause. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 13:44, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
:::No, it's a general agreed consensus that the 500 internal server error is occurring more often nowadays. It has to do with an increasing amount of SOMETHING. I'm going by this only lead right now. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 19:09, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
::::I mostly get 500 errors on pages that are large - that is - the body of text is large. Images really seem to have a negligible effect on whether a page 500's for me or not. We should think carefully about whether going about an image purge will largely be a wasted effort and/or do more harm than good towards error fixing (generating more edits - which may also form part of the problem). --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 20:06, 11 September 2010 (PDT)

== Overlooked interview? ==

A couple of weeks ago, I noticed on the talk page for [[Chris-chan_Discusses...]], the subject of a previous interview was brought up, and Champ said he didn't want to put it on until they had a youtube version for it. A year later, someone did. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uR_PrPHC2l0 The video doesn't have many views, and I don't believe it has an article for it. I'm not sure if any of this is relevant, but I wanted to draw attention to it in case it needs an article or some other mention.--[[User:Austin|Austin]] 06:03, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
*This is the [[Christian Weston Chandler Interview]], that video is just a mirror. --[[User:Thorgnzorrg|Thorgnzorrg]] 15:05, 7 October 2010 (PDT)

== Chris and diligence article? ==

Christian's work ethics and his laziness are rightfully infamous, but there isn't an article dealing with it en detail. I'd make it myself but due to stress and my poor grasp of English I'd rather hear the opinions of others on it before making a crappy attempt. --[[User:Maximilian Graves|Maximilian Graves]] 07:58, 15 September 2010 (PDT)
** Strangely enough, I was thinking the same thing. Though with how lazy he is, the article would probably grow to be almost as large as the article on sex. [[User:Melainia|Melainia]] 21:04, 15 September 2010 (EST)

== My response to the site administrator. ==

Just a few days ago, a member of our forums decided to claim that we were involved in attacks on your wiki. We were notified by the administrator of your site on a locked topic supposedly thanking us for our actions placed on PSPownsYou (or PBML) and also requested action on another supposed participant named Level1isbest. I just want to point out that we have no intention of harming your site and that the involved parties are a bunch of fucking trolls, but then again every person on Newgrounds does it for the lulz, not including school shootings (Jeff Weise). Sorry for any inconvienence. [[User:Tateos|Tateos]] 16:25, 15 September 2010 (PDT)

==Chris and Morality Page==

Though his morality has been mentioned on several other pages, I think it would be best to have one page dedicated to his morality, or lack there-of, and where it comes from, mainly his ego. [[User:Melainia|Melainia]] 21:07, 15 September 2010 (EST)
: Frankly, if it's coming from his ego, it should be mentioned on the [[ego]] page. This is, however, unless there's enough to justify a major Chris and page.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 20:37, 15 September 2010 (PDT)
:: I don't really think Chris's morality needs its own page, as it would end up being a documentation of all the times he's been a horrible person (huge list), and all of the reasons behind it (troll speculation). These issues are already covered rather in depth on Chris's own page, the White Knighting page, the pages on Chris's Lies, Things Chris Has Ripped Off, Women's Rights, Homos etc. I feel a page purely about what a bad person he is is redundant (and self-evident besides). [[User:Sygerrik|Sygerrik]] 09:46, 16 September 2010 (PDT)

== so i did some spring cleaning today. ==
http://www.mediafire.com/?q6dsbzkgteqxpp6 - and then i realized it was autumn. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 17:44, 18 September 2010 (PDT)

:Does the great Clyde wish for these to be uploaded to their appropriate articles? --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 22:49, 18 September 2010 (PDT)

::No, I want them to stay in this link forever and never be posted on the CWCki. Ever. EVER. This is the reason why I posted on the CWCki, to ensure that would happen. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 01:50, 19 September 2010 (PDT)

I was doing some spring cleaning too, little cuz! I was going through my emails and then suddenly i stumbled upon this pic of CWC that WallFlower gave to me awhile back! As The Ancient Hawaiians used to say: A clean coconut is a clean soul. http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7886/cwcinkilt.jpg [[User:SurfShackTito|SurfShackTito]] 17:58, 18 September 2010 (PDT)

:lol at the Marge Simpson poster - [[User:Captainhowdy|Captainhowdy]] 19:23, 18 September 2010 (PDT)

== Tugboat icon I made for Donations ==

[[File:Tugboat_donate_icon.png]] Enjoy!
[[User:Shiny|Shiny]] 13:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
*Include your CWCki username with your donation and you'll receive a SPECIAL, LIMITED EDITION user box for your page and you'll receive a "si a pretty cool guy" quote from yours truly. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 15:23, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

So hey, I wanted to donate some shinies but my PayPal only gives out my dox rather than my CWCki username. I'll set up a new PayPal account in a bit. Gmail's the best way to go about it, right? --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 03:26, 4 October 2010 (PDT)

== Faithfulness ==
Is there an article on Chris and his faithfulness to his "sweethearts", cause I was just skimming through Sonichu 10 where he claims Blanca is his true and honest sweetheart, but he's married in the future to Lovely Weather and slept with her, not to mention Meg? And that's probably not the only example one could think of. --[[User:SerenityMoonstone|SerenityMoonstone]] 22:31, 29 September 2010 (EST)
*Just about every Sweetheart article showcases how unfaithful Chris is.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 15:32, 30 September 2010 (PDT)

== getting rid of the fan works section ==
it's just a drag on our servers. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 21:54, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
:if anyone wants to argue against deleting the fan works section, speak up now plz. hurry! [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:32, 2 October 2010 (PDT)
::If it'll keep away the server errors then tear it down, burn the remains, and salt the earth. --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 22:03, 2 October 2010 (PDT)
:::The section is bullshit that should have been killed months ago. [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam & Eggs]] 19:26, 4 October 2010 (PDT)
Wasn't there plans for a wiki dedicated to fanworks? Whatever happened to that? For that matter, why is the fanworks section still up at all? Cogsdev wanted it trimmed several months ago.--[[User:Austin|Austin]] 00:41, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:http://789chan.org/cxc/ [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 01:12, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
Can you give us an idea for an exact date for the deletion? I'd like to go through and save everything. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 20:22, 4 October 2010 (PDT)
:I'll save it all in a zip file. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:24, 4 October 2010 (PDT)

There's hardly anything left that's worth keeping. I say go for it.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 20:44, 4 October 2010 (PDT)
:Dunno guys, [[Fan:Choose Your Own Adventure|this for example]] is ace and I'll miss it. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 01:59, 5 October 2010 (PDT)
::If there's anything worth keeping it's that, [[Fan:Chris Gets Laid|Chris Gets Laid]], and [[Fan:Asperchu|the Asperchu fan page]]. [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam & Eggs]] 17:09, 8 October 2010 (PDT)

In that case, move the Mailbag References page out of the Fan category. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 03:56, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

:As I mentioned on the fan discussion (In case nobody read it) It would be an affront to not have any backups of the stories here. I finished up my story (Silent CWCville) so save the stories, redistribute them throughout the internet. And tell me where they'll be moved. Thanks. --[[User:Radiant Price|Radiant Price]] 16:44, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

If it's going to be saved and taken elsewhere, I say nuke it.--[[User:Austin|Austin]] 21:15, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

Just do it! people can use /cwc/ to post their creepy fantasies --[[User:GOTDANG|GOTDANG]] 06:31, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

Yeah,if you're gonna save it I'm all up for the deletion. --[[User:Bealtespip122|Bealtespip122]] 13:03, 8 October 2010 (PDT)

Everything has been saved on the cwcki spec forums by the admin there so away this section goes. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 10:04, 15 October 2010 (PDT)
Blow it up --[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 22:23, 19 October 2010 (PDT)

==Posting Kacey's Encounters with Chris==
Does anyone else feel that we should make a page with [http://pastebin.com/8FxWDZq6 Kacey's encounters with Chris] here? I mean, we reference it enough, and I think it's causing some confusion. Unless, of course, you feel that showing that Kacey was trolling him would be more confusing. [[user:Melainia|Melainia]] 12:20, 6 October 2010 (EST)
:That information is unsubstantiated. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 21:30, 5 October 2010 (PDT)
::Oh, true, I just wanted to ask. [[user:melainia|Melainia]] 12:53, 6 October 2010 (EST)
:I'm not so sure...Some of the information sounds feasable, And if I recall correctly during one of their final chats Kacey mentioned an IRL encounter with him. But at the moment I don't want for us to take any risks...Is it possible we can get a confirmation from Liquid? --[[User:EdtheHedgehog1894|EdtheHedgehog1894]] 00:56, 6 October 2010 (EST)
::I do remember the sniffing incident being mentioned during the Father Call, and Chris did admit to touching her a lot. [[User:Melainia|Melainia]] 1:00, 6 October 2010 (EST)
:::liquid doesn't give a shit about this anymore. just let sleeping dogs lie with him. just forget about this stuff, we'll get the real story one day. maybe. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 22:08, 5 October 2010 (PDT)

==Need CWC E-Mail==

I'm looking to pull the wool over good ol' CWC's eyes via The 4Hoursemen project (details will be revealed later) but if it goes out the way i plan lulz will ensue but for these things to fall into play i need some way to talk to him.Would his youtube account work or will he not even respond on that? [[User:The 4horsemen project|The 4horsemen project]] 17:07, 6 October 2010 (PDT)
*Sign your posts. It's just four ~'s.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 16:40, 6 October 2010 (PDT)
*It's damn near impossible to get into contact with Chris. You'd have an easier time picking fly shit out of pepper while wearing boxing gloves. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 17:11, 6 October 2010 (PDT)
*CWCki really isn't the place to launch trolling and if you can't find Chris's e-mail, then you probably shouldn't be trolling him.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:17, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

*Oh i've found his e-mail but the fat bastard wont respond to me.Maybe i should find a diffrent approach... [[User:The 4horsemen project|The 4horsemen project]] 17:28, 6 October 2010 (PDT)

==Mental Stability==

So how's the mental stability on cristian?In his latest videos he seems a little more crazy then befor.

Sign your posts and take this to the speculation page.--[[User:Svek|Švek]] 09:45, 7 October 2010 (PDT)

== List of Appearances ==

[[User:General Rock|General Rock]] suggested that we have an article compiling all of the places where Chris has doodled Sonichu where it was totally unnecessary. From that drawing on the snow to his [[resume]], I'm sure we can come up with an exhaustive list. Thoughts? --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 19:00, 10 October 2010 (PDT)
*He's 'fixated' on Sonichu; it happens with autistic people pretty often. [[User:BlueSpork|the infamous Blue Spork]] 00:39, 20 October 2010 (PDT)

== New template ==

{{Template:Cosplay videos}}

Did I forget something? --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 04:39, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

I think Chris dressing in a kilt and pretending to be Scottish counts as cosplay. I can't remember the exact video. [[User:MissRadioactive|MissRadioactive]] 05:24, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

* Nevermind. Found it. [[Tito_Got_No_Luck_Against_We_Brits,_Irish_and_Scots!]] [[User:MissRadioactive|MissRadioactive]] 05:45, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

== I EXCELLED IN MATH TOO FOR THE LOVE OF GOD! ==

I was just re-watching some of the audiobooks, and came to an obvious but hilarious conclusion; our fearless leader has no clue how many people there are on earth (or is too [[Slow_in_the_mind]] to understand high school level math).

As I am a new user (Hi btw), and my Wiki skills are sub-par at best, I figured I'd prostrate myself before the CWCki masters before I made a n00b-ish page.

Here is a short greatest-hits list of Chris' math fails:

<small>-In Episode 14 he (speaking through one of his characters) mentioned he sometimes detests 99.9999999999996% of the worldwide male population, not including himself and 'those within the margin of error.'

That means that he (and those unnamed males) make up 4.0x10^-13 of the male population, and since he included himself that means that there must be at least 2.5 trillion other males for him to despise.

Not only is this number 24x the total number of humans to have ever lived, but it isn't even the entire human population according to Chris! Going by the CIA World Factbook, the Male/Female ratio is currently about 1.01. Therefore there are at least 4.975 trillion people on earth.

[http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=+reciprocal4.0x10^-13]
[https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/xx.html]

-He has claimed that he has an IQ over 300; using the standard deviations of the Stanford-Binet tests (15 from a mean of 100), that would put him in at over 12.5 standard deviations; less than one in 2 Decillion people. That is not a typo. 2 Decillion is a real number, and it looks like this

2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

The Wechsler IQ test gives an even scarier result; 13.333 standard deviations, or one in one hundred undecillion. In longhand that looks like this

100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

[http://www.iqcomparisonsite.com/IQBasics.aspx]
[http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=12.5+standard+deviations+from+the+mean]</small>

Maybe I'm wrong, but in my humble opinion [[fail]] is rarely as pure and as concentrated as a self-declared genius who thinks that there are more people alive on earth then there are stars in our galaxy*.

<small>*~300 Billion by WolframAlpha's count</small>

--[[User:Concerned Citizen|Concerned Citizen]] 20:08, 13 October 2010 (PDT)
*One, we have a forum dedicated to wild speculation and stuff, it's linked to in the NOT A FORUM template. Two, Chris wasn't thinking mathematically when he wrote 99.99999999996%, he just added extra 9's onto it until he felt like he'd made his point. Three, he just picked a high number because he understood that high IQ=smart guy. Chris doesn't think about things beyond the surface.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 20:13, 13 October 2010 (PDT)

*Although I agree Chris is an idiot and that he sucks at math, and although I agree that if we saw into his mind there would be enough content for an article, he's only demonstrated his math skillz once or twice. As of the moment, it really isn't article-worthy. Trust me, if there were enough content for it, I would be the first to support it. Still, drafting a page for it [[User:Concerned Citizen/Math|somewhere]] might be useful should more evidence of his inability come up. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 14:38, 14 October 2010 (PDT)

== Animation/short template ==

Do you think we can use a template for all the Lego/pen/paper shorts that Chris has made? --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:11, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

== Chris comparisons ==

Is there potential for comparisons of Chris and various famous/infamous retards? See [[User:Kwon/Chris and Martin Bryant: A Comparison|the comparison of Chris and Martin Bryant on my user page]] for an example of what I mean. The format doesn't have to be the same. --[[User:Kwon|Kwon]] 01:01, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

the cwcki isn't meant for that purpose. besides, chris is chris. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 01:09, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

k. Fair enough. --[[User:Kwon|Kwon]] 01:10, 27 October 2010 (PDT)

User talk:Kwon/Chris and Martin Bryant: A Comparison

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Kwon:

CWCki:General

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Kwon: /* Chris comparisons */ new section

User:Kwon/Chris and Martin Bryant: A Comparison

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Kwon: Created page with " {| id="toc" width=100% | Most of this has been ripped from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant the Martin Bryant Wikipedia page]. C..."

{| id="toc" width=100%
| Most of this has been ripped from [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Bryant the Martin Bryant Wikipedia page]. Comments have been added by me (Kwon).
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{| id="toc" width=100%
| '''tl;dr''' Martin Bryant is Chris but sadistic.
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'''Martin Bryant''' (born 7 May 1967) is an Australian convicted murderer serving 35 life sentences in a Tasmanian prison. He murdered 35 people and injured 21 others in the Port Arthur massacre, a shooting spree in Port Arthur, Tasmania in 1996. He is currently serving 35 life sentences plus 1,035 years without parole in the psychiatric wing of Risdon Prison in Hobart. His rampage ranks among the deadliest of the 20th century.

==Early life==
===Childhood===
Martin Bryant was born in Tasmania, Australia, the first son born to Maurice and Carleen Bryant. His father was an English immigrant from Dunston, Tyne and Wear in North East England. Although the family home was in Lenah Valley, Tasmania, Martin spent most of his childhood at their beach home in Carnarvon Bay. Locals remember Martin as a quiet and well mannered child. However he once pulled the snorkel from another boy while diving, and cut down trees on a neighbour's property. He also had reportedly set himself on fire when he was seventeen. He was described by teachers as being distant from reality and as unemotional. At school he was a disruptive and sometimes violent child, and suffered severe bullying by other children. After he was suspended from New Town Primary School in 1977, psychological assessments of Bryant note his torturing of animals. He returned to school the following year with improved behaviour, however he persisted in teasing younger children. He was transferred to a special education unit at New Town High School in 1980 where he deteriorated both academically and behaviourly throughout his remaining school years.

{| id="toc" width=100%
| We might also be able to describe Chris as "distant from reality and unemotional" - at least because he didn't speak or do much for himself while he was about seven years old - but we can't really be certain. We can be certain, though, that Chris was a "disruptive and sometimes violent child", and that he was often bullied. Like Martin, Chis had to change schools a number of times because of his behaviour, but unlike Martin, he was never put in special education. Chris hasn't ever tortured animals either and doesn't seem to have the sadistic streak that Martin has.
|}

Descriptions of Bryant's behaviour as an adolescent show that he continued to be disturbed. He was revealed to have an I.Q. of 66,equivalent to an 11-year-old and in the bottom 1.17 percent of the Australian population, and was possibly autistic. On leaving school he was assessed for a disability pension by a psychiatrist who wrote: "''Cannot read or write. Does a bit of gardening and watches TV ... Only his parents' efforts prevent further deterioration. Could be schizophrenic and parents face a bleak future with him.''" Bryant lived on the pension for three years, though he worked as a handyman and gardener.

{| id="toc" width=100%
| Chris has been described as having a similar level of intelligence<ref>[[Mimms and Lucas Q&A#Chris's history and personality]]</ref>, and has autism, but isn't suspected of having schizophrenia. Chris also appears to have learnt more from school.
|}

===Adulthood===
In early 1987 when Bryant was 19, he met then 54-year-old eccentric recluse Helen Mary Elizabeth Harvey, heiress to a share in the Tattersall's lottery fortune, whilst looking for new customers for her lawn-mowing service. Harvey, who lived with her mother Hilva, befriended Bryant who became a regular visitor to her neglected New Town mansion, and assisted with tasks such as feeding the fourteen dogs living inside the house, and the forty cats living inside her garage. In June 1990, someone reported Harvey to the health authorities, and medics found both Harvey and her mother in need of urgent hospital treatment. Seventy-nine-year-old Hilza Harvey died several weeks later. A clean-up order was placed on the mansion and Bryant's father took long service leave to assist in cleaning the interior. Harvey now invited Bryant to live with her in the mansion and they began spending large amounts of money, which included the purchase of more than 30 new cars in less than three years. The couple began to spend most days shopping, usually after having lunch in a local restaurant. Around this time Bryant was reassessed for his pension, and a note was attached to the paperwork "''Father protects him from any occasion which might upset him as he continually threatens violence ... Martin tells me he would like to go around shooting people. It would be unsafe to allow Martin out of his parents' control''".

{| id="toc" width=100%
| It's interesting that Martin spent most of his times hanging around shops and restaurants like Chris seems to - Martin with Helen and Chris sometimes with Bob. It's possible that their sense of social isolation drives them to visit crowded places.

The note attached to Martin's paperwork indicates that Martin constantly had to be protected from anything that might upset him. Chris's parents have done the same throughout most of his life, although as much in his adult years.
|}

In 1991, as a result of no longer being allowed to have animals at the house, Harvey and Bryant moved together onto a 29 hectare (72 acre) farm called Taurusville that she had purchased in Copping, Tasmania. Neighbours recalled he always carried an air gun and often fired it at tourists as they stopped to buy apples at a stall on the highway, and that late at night he would roam through the surrounding properties firing the gun at dogs when they barked at him. They avoided him "at all costs" despite his attempts to befriend them.

On October 20, 1992, Harvey was killed when her car veered to the wrong side of the road and hit an oncoming car directly. Bryant was inside the vehicle at the time of the accident, and was hospitalised for seven months with severe neck and back injuries. He was briefly investigated by police for the role he played in the accident, as Bryant had a habit of lunging for the steering wheel and Harvey had already had three accidents as a result. She often told people that this was the reason she never drove faster than 60 kilometres an hour (37 mph). Bryant was named the sole beneficiary of Harvey's will and came into possession of assets totalling more than $550,000. As Bryant had only the "vaguest notions" of financial matters, his mother subsequently applied for and was granted a guardianship order, placing Bryant's assets under the management of Public Trustees. The order was based on evidence of Bryant's diminished intellectual capacity.

{| id="toc" width=100%
| Chris also seems to have very little understanding of financial matters. His parents manage most of his money.
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After Harvey's death, Bryant's father Maurice moved into the Copping farm to look after it. Bryant returned to the farm after leaving hospital the following year, and two months later, on 14 August, a man calling on Maurice found a note saying "call the police" pinned to the door and several thousand dollars was found in his car. Police were called and began a search of the property however could not find him. Divers were then called in to search the four dams on the property, and on August 16, they found his body in the dam closest to the farmhouse with one of Martin's diving weight belts around his neck. Although ruled a suicide by drowning, police described it as an "unnatural" death. Bryant inherited the proceeds of his father's superannuation fund valued at $250,000.

Bryant sold the Copping farm for $143,000 and kept the Hobart mansion. While living at Copping, the white overalls he habitually wore were replaced with clothing more in line with Harvey's financial status. Now that he was alone his dress became more bizarre. He often wore a grey linen suit, cravat, lizard skin shoes and Panama hat while carrying a briefcase during the day, telling anyone who listened that he had a well paying career. He often wore an electric blue suit with flared trousers and a ruffled shirt to the restaurant he regularly used. The restaurant owner recalled: "''It was horrible. Everyone was laughing at him, even the customers. I really felt suddenly quite sorry for him. I realised this guy didn't really have any friends.''"

{| id="toc" width=100%
| Chris and Martin both had a bizarre sense of fashion and a habit of telling strangers about their imagined achievements in life. Both of these things are possibly just desperate attempts at getting attention and admiration from others, driven by a sense of social isolation.
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With Harvey and his father dead Bryant became increasingly lonely. From 1993 to late 1995, he visited various overseas countries 14 times and a summary of his domestic airline travel filled three pages. He hated the destinations he travelled to, as he found that people there avoided him just as they did in Tasmania. However he enjoyed the flights, as he could speak to the people sitting adjacent to him who had no choice but to be polite. Bryant later took great joy in describing some of the more successful conversations he had with fellow passengers. In late 1995, he became suicidal after deciding he had "had enough": "''I just felt more people were against me. When I tried to be friendly toward them, they just walked away''". Although he had previously been little more than a social drinker, his alcohol consumption increased and, although he had not had a drink on that day, had especially escalated in the six months prior to the massacre. Bryant's average daily consumption was estimated at half a bottle of Sambuca and a bottle of Baileys Irish Cream supplemented with Port wine and other sweet alcoholic drinks. According to Bryant, he thought the plan for Port Arthur may have first occurred to him four to twelve weeks before the event.

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| Chris hasn't become suicidal to our knowledge, although his drinking has increased recently. He was possibly drunk during his altercation with Michael Snyder.
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==Port Arthur massacre==

Bryant has provided conflicting and confused accounts of what led him to kill 35 people at the Port Arthur site on 28 April 1996. It appears his desire for attention, as he allegedly told a next door neighbour "I'll do something that will make everyone remember me," as well as mounting frustration at his social isolation had made him unbearably angry.

His first victims, David and Sally Martin, owned the bed and breakfast guest house "Seascape". Bryant later described them as "very mean people" and as "the worst people in my life". The Martins had bought the B & B that Bryant's father had wanted to buy and he often complained to his son of the "double dealing" the Martins had done to secure the purchase. Bryant apparently believed the Martins had deliberately bought the property to hurt his family and blamed the Martins for the depression that led to his father's death. He shot them in that guest house before traveling to the Port Arthur ruins. Bryant entered The Broad Arrow Café on the historical site's grounds, carrying a large blue duffel bag. Upon sitting down to eat a meal in the front balcony area, he remarked "There's a lot of wasps about today" to no one in particular. Once he finished, Bryant moved towards the back of the café and set a video camera on a vacant table. He took out an AR15 semi-automatic rifle and began shooting patrons and staff. Within a matter of seconds, he had killed 20 people and wounded 15. He then fled, shooting at people in the parking lot and from his yellow Volvo sedan as he drove away. Bryant drove three hundred metres down the road, to where a woman and her two children were walking. He stopped and fired two shots killing the woman and the child she was carrying. The older child fled, but Bryant followed her and killed her with a single shot. He then stole a gold-coloured BMW by killing the occupants. A short distance down the road he stopped beside a couple in a white Toyota and, drawing his weapon, ordered the male occupant into the boot of the BMW. After shutting the boot he fired two shots into the windshield of the Toyota, killing the female driver. He returned to the guest house, set the stolen car alight and took his hostage inside with the Martins' corpses. The police soon arrived and tried to negotiate with Martin for many hours before the battery in the phone Bryant was using died, ending communication. Bryant's only demand was to be transported in an army helicopter to an airport. Sometime during the negotiations, Bryant killed his hostage.

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| Martin seems to hold deep and long-lasting grudges, often based only on his father's complaints, just like Chris.
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The next morning, 18 hours later, Bryant set fire to the guest house and attempted to escape in the confusion. Suffering burns to his back and buttocks, he was captured and taken to Royal Hobart Hospital where he was treated and kept under heavy guard.

===Imprisonment===
Bryant was judged as fit to stand trial, and his trial was scheduled to begin 7 November 1996. Bryant initially pleaded not guilty, but was persuaded by his court-appointed lawyer and the prosecution to plead guilty to all charges.

Two weeks later, Hobart Supreme Court Judge William Cox gave Bryant 35 life sentences for the murders and ordered that he should remain in prison the "rest of his life".

He has attempted suicide six times while being imprisoned. For the first eight months of his imprisonment, he was held in a purpose-built special suicide prevention cell, in almost complete solitary confinement. He remained in protective custody for his own safety, until he moved detention centres ten years after his conviction.

On Monday, 13 November 2006, Bryant was moved into Hobart's Wilfred Lopes Centre, a secure mental health unit run by the Tasmanian Department of Health and Human Services. The 35-bed unit for inmates with serious mental illness is staffed with doctors, nurses and other support workers. Inmates are not locked down and can come and go from their cells. Exterior security at the facility is provided by a three-wall perimeter patrolled by private contract guards.

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