CWCki - User contributions [en]

User:Miela

2010-08-29T00:21:21Z

Miela:

Okay, someone's probably going to cry „butthurt“, but just to clear up a bit about why I did what I did:

1. Trollingtrain was dead when I wrote what I wrote and just about everywhere was info about it. - It was pretty likely everything was known already, so it was pretty much a cheap try to gain some trust in order to enable further action and if not he wouldn't believe some stranger with mediocre pics anyway.

2. Yeah, doxing was quite stupid, but most of the info just like my name was never 100% real anyway and to be pretty honest, I don't care about the doxing, as I will be moving quite shortly anyway(3rd Sept), but the people coming after me would probably like to not be bothered because of me.
The email-adresses were always fakes for this purpose (this is the internet after all) as were all nicks, so I don't care what you do with the all this info or the accounts. Leave a message if you want passwords etc.
> Im not too stupid to realize I would inevitably leave a big trail behind me on the internet and tried to be aware, but alas, I'm no great internet guru.

3. Therefore I ask you to keep all the information you garnered (or think you did) about me to yourself and do hereby explicitly ask you to take down everything you posted regarding this incident.

4. It was a clumsy, somewhat messy stab at trolling and you probably would have warned me off anyway. To be pretty honest, I'm not entirely sure what the goal was anyway, because, as written, I didn't even expect answers etc., but rather being ignored and wanted to subsequently heighten my pretend level of involvment in order to find out how long it would take till the baiting worked. Those of you who are more experienced would have told me off anyway in the beginning, so I was resigned to not tell anyone until I got a response (Even if just to ask what to do now).

5. I concede to you guys, you are such great trolls, I was stupid etc. pp., please mind my privacy (and my right for stupidity).

User:Miela

2010-08-27T15:49:33Z

Miela:

==Me==
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{{Straight}}
{{Eurofag}}
{{White}}
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{{PS3}}
{{Kitty}}
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{{collapsible|About me|

I'm studying towards a degree in Education and have been confronted with dealing with children and youths with disorders on the autism spectrum in practical classroom situations over the course of my studies.
In my opinion, it is pretty obvious that Chris did, if at all, benefit only in the slightest way from treatment designed to help those children cope and develop their abilities to bridge the gap to a world based primarily on a neurotypical viewpoint.

I am mainly watching the wiki because I'm oddly fascinated by the way Chris autism severely affects his life: while he uses it to justify himself, he does not seem to have taken part in any kind of specific program to help him with basic life skills or work on them on his own by using self-help guides.

He also does in no way give the impression to be motivated to do so, either out of disregard for these measures' longterm value, the wrong perception that he already is sufficiently prepared, or just by expecting someone else to mother him till the end of all days.
I'm just watching to find out if he gets it himself before someone else will finally intervene (I would bet on some major coup by Rocky).

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). Until then I'm reading up on social rules/conduct and autism, so I will probably add several aspects of "Chrisness" later on.
}}

You might notice grammar/spelling/stylistic errors, which might be a result of me not being a native speaker of English - if you do, you are at leave to correct them or drop me a line :)

==Trolling==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Ways in which Trolling might benefit Chris
! Ways in which Trolling might hinder Chris
|-
| Chris needs to be aware that exposing private information out of impulse does have short- and longterm effects and that you shouldn't trust so. just because there might be the promise of China.
| Chris will find it hard to accepted into formal settings, such as the workplace, because of the kind of information already leaked. He will not be able to hide his weaknesses.
|-
| Someone who holds power might actually start to feel responsible and actively intervene.
| People who could help won't because they feel Chris doesn't deserve it/ it won't work anyway.
|-
| Chris, finding himself unable to cope with all the stress, actively seeks out help and is prompted to partake in a therapeutic program for traing autistics.
| Chris might start to view everyone as a troll and deny any offer of assistance because of paranoia.
|}

==Chris and Learning==
{{collapsible|Essay thingy|
Chris failure to reflect and plan for the future has often been noted by trolls. While they could be explained by autism or plain stupidity something else could play into this as well.

Something that occured to me when reading a book by Nicholas Boothman about interpersonal relationships (''How to Make People Like You in 90 Seconds or Less'' - great book, go and read it, if you don't intend trolling!), is the way his preferred channel of processing information might play into this.
As you might know, there are broadly speaking three channels over which information is taken in and processed (although there are sometimes up to 12 subgroups defined).
This process works markedly better in the preferred channel, therefore one should try to identify the preference of a conversation partner in order to convey more easily.

While most people are still able to access different channels at the same time, taking in information and process it more or less successfully, it has been observed that people on the autism spectrum seem to be challenged by this. They often rely very much on one channel and have great problems to work with information that appeals to other channels and can not use this information (if they get it at all).

Classification:
Chris thought processes are dominated by the kinaesthetic channel. Plenty evidence can be found in his conduct (fidgeting, trying to touch/sniff RL galpals, constant fiddling with something (drawing, DS etc.), the use of props such as the attraction sign etc.) . If you take a closer look at his longer ramblings, they are heavily marked by verbs of action and sensory impressions and the way HE feels (sth. is "hard", he feels "pressured", "Stress", "hurt" etc.).

What could be explained by that?
* conduct in public, such as the importance of things to connect to others – they are a result of his unability to control his kinaesthetic impulses
* slow winding speech where he rambles on and you don't get what he wants
* his inability to reflect and learn for the future:
<blockquote>
"This child prefers to learn physically and if they can touch and feel whatever they are learning about, they will process and remember the information quite well. However, these children are usually quite restless, have difficulty paying attention, and can't seem to get "focused" (a visual term).
Kinesthetic learners do not make internal pictures of neatness so it is normal to be disorganized. Time is not especially meaningful since they don't project the consequences of their actions, simply because they don't "see" into the future. They only understand the present moment. [...]
All the skills that the visual learner takes for granted, such as remembering information through internal images, neatness, and the ability to remain focused, are not immediately available to the kinesthetic learner [...]"
{{</blockquote> (Source: http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Learning_vs_Testing.asp?cat=1)}}

==Implications for Trolling==
Generally speaking, any appeal to his mind is generally doomed to fail, his emotions have to be the aim (nothing new here), as well as triggering some kind of physical reaction
* Any troll attempts should include physical proof of whatever you're trying to sell to him, while digital text-based attempts should be avoided unless short and well structured

* Future sweetheart-plots should, if possible, establish some kind of physical connection. When meeting up (however disgusting to female field agent) at least a small amount of bodily contact should be made to leave a lasting impression: touching of hands, bumping shoulders, kicking/hitting when he oversteps boundaries)
* If unable/unwilling to do this, props should be provided: love-letters, dried flowers, hair locks, hand-made drawings – whatever crosses your mind, as long as it appeals to sensory reactions and can be touched (perfectionists might use textured paper, or olfactory prompts,meaning things that have distinctive smells – perfume the stuff you send, foodstuff like home-made cookies, if you are really extreme worn underwear/ when "breaking up" vinegar-soaked, stink-bombs etc.)
* Other plots should also supply physical evidence whenever possible, for example: fake merchandise, skulls or whatever fits your plot, textured cardboard invitation to the "Sonichu Fan Convention", a fake ID etc.

* If a text-based approch can not be avoided, keep it really short and mark important passages in obvious ways and do not expect Chris to be able to keep up a coherent thought process over longer paragraphs – appeal to Chris secondary preference, visuals.
* Also usage of the same kind of language will attract his attention more easily as well aid convincing him to do stuff (eg. "Hang in there", "I can't put my finger on it", "cold-hearted", "come to grips", "follow", "foundation", "unbearable"- I think you get the main gist. If you need more ideas just look at any of his longer messages.)

And at last: Even if all this is followed, don't expect success – the explanations mentioned in the beginning still apply: Chris is Chris and stupidity can't even be helped by changing the communication channel, if Chris closes up. But at least your chances to get through are somewhat heightened and you've tried your best.
}}

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2010-08-16T17:03:04Z

Miela: Created page with "The letter is quite sad, but in how far has the guy been validated? Could it be hoax via the evil medium of attempted tear jerking? --~~~~"

The letter is quite sad, but in how far has the guy been validated? Could it be hoax via the evil medium of attempted tear jerking? --[[User:Miela|Miela]] 10:03, 16 August 2010 (PDT)

User talk:Miela

2010-08-12T15:18:14Z

Miela:

{{Welcome|SeventhBase}}[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 09:58, 11 August 2010 (PDT)

I'm not quite sure why you put this template here, after I've been registered for quite some time, but maybe it's just because all the new kids get it *shrugs*

If not and there's a concrete problem, just straight out with it! Cheers --[[User:Miela|Miela]] 11:31, 11 August 2010 (PDT)

:Everyone is supposed to get it, but it looks like you were overlooked. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 12:36, 11 August 2010 (PDT)
:You can get your essay box thingy to work by putting two square brackets around your source link. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 00:50, 12 August 2010 (PDT)
Ah, great, thanks :) I completely missed that.So, after fiddling with userthings, time for some real work *rolls up sleeves and searches for work*--[[User:Miela|Miela]] 08:18, 12 August 2010 (PDT)

User:Miela

2010-08-12T15:14:37Z

Miela:

==Me==
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<center>
{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}
{{Straight}}
{{Eurofag}}
{{White}}
{{Wii}}
{{PS3}}
{{Kitty}}
</center>
}}

{{collapsible|About me|

I'm studying towards a degree in Education and have been confronted with dealing with children and youths with disorders on the autism spectrum in practical classroom situations over the course of my studies.
In my opinion, it is pretty obvious that Chris did, if at all, benefit only in the slightest way from treatment designed to help those children cope and develop their abilities to bridge the gap to a world based primarily on a neurotypical viewpoint.

I am mainly watching the wiki because I'm oddly fascinated by the way Chris autism severely affects his life: while he uses it to justify himself, he does not seem to have taken part in any kind of specific program to help him with basic life skills or work on them on his own by using self-help guides.

He also does in no way give the impression to be motivated to do so, either out of disregard for these measures' longterm value, the wrong perception that he already is sufficiently prepared, or just by expecting someone else to mother him till the end of all days.
I'm just watching to find out if he gets it himself before someone else will finally intervene (I would bet on some major coup by Rocky).

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). Until then I'm reading up on social rules/conduct and autism, so I will probably add several aspects of "Chrisness" later on.
}}

You might notice grammar/spelling/stylistic errors, which might be a result of me not being a native speaker of English - if you do, you are at leave to correct them or drop me a line :)

==Trolling==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Ways in which Trolling might benefit Chris
! Ways in which Trolling might hinder Chris
|-
| Chris needs to be aware that exposing private information out of impulse does have short- and longterm effects and that you shouldn't trust so. just because there might be the promise of China.
| Chris will find it hard to accepted into formal settings, such as the workplace, because of the kind of information already leaked. He will not be able to hide his weaknesses.
|-
| Someone who holds power might actually start to feel responsible and actively intervene.
| People who could help won't because they feel Chris doesn't deserve it/ it won't work anyway.
|-
| Chris, finding himself unable to cope with all the stress, actively seeks out help and is prompted to partake in a therapeutic program for traing autistics.
| Chris might start to view everyone as a troll and deny any offer of assistance because of paranoia.
|}

==Chris and Learning==
{{collapsible|Essay thingy|
Chris failure to reflect and plan for the future has often been noted by trolls. While they could be explained by autism or plain stupidity something else could play into this as well.

Something that occured to me when reading a book by Nicholas Boothman about interpersonal relationships (''How to Make People Like You in 90 Seconds or Less'' - great book, go and read it, if you don't intend trolling!), is the way his preferred channel of processing information might play into this.
As you might know, there are broadly speaking three channels over which information is taken in and processed (although there are sometimes up to 12 subgroups defined).
This process works markedly better in the preferred channel, therefore one should try to identify the preference of a conversation partner in order to convey more easily.

While most people are still able to access different channels at the same time, taking in information and process it more or less successfully, it has been observed that people on the autism spectrum seem to be challenged by this. They often rely very much on one channel and have great problems to work with information that appeals to other channels and can not use this information (if they get it at all).

Classification:
Chris thought processes are dominated by the kinaesthetic channel. Plenty evidence can be found in his conduct (fidgeting, trying to touch/sniff RL galpals, constant fiddling with something (drawing, DS etc.), the use of props such as the attraction sign etc.) . If you take a closer look at his longer ramblings, they are heavily marked by verbs of action and sensory impressions and the way HE feels (sth. is "hard", he feels "pressured", "Stress", "hurt" etc.).

What could be explained by that?
* conduct in public, such as the importance of things to connect to others – they are a result of his unability to control his kinaesthetic impulses
* slow winding speech where he rambles on and you don't get what he wants
* his inability to reflect and learn for the future:
<blockquote>
"This child prefers to learn physically and if they can touch and feel whatever they are learning about, they will process and remember the information quite well. However, these children are usually quite restless, have difficulty paying attention, and can't seem to get "focused" (a visual term).
Kinesthetic learners do not make internal pictures of neatness so it is normal to be disorganized. Time is not especially meaningful since they don't project the consequences of their actions, simply because they don't "see" into the future. They only understand the present moment. [...]
All the skills that the visual learner takes for granted, such as remembering information through internal images, neatness, and the ability to remain focused, are not immediately available to the kinesthetic learner [...]"
{{</blockquote> (Source: http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Learning_vs_Testing.asp?cat=1)}}

==Implications for Trolling==
Generally speaking, any appeal to his mind is generally doomed to fail, his emotions have to be the aim (nothing new here), as well as triggering some kind of physical reaction
* Any troll attempts should include physical proof of whatever you're trying to sell to him, while digital text-based attempts should be avoided unless short and well structured

* Future sweetheart-plots should, if possible, establish some kind of physical connection. When meeting up (however disgusting to female field agent) at least a small amount of bodily contact should be made to leave a lasting impression: touching of hands, bumping shoulders, kicking/hitting when he oversteps boundaries)
* If unable/unwilling to do this, props should be provided: love-letters, dried flowers, hair locks, hand-made drawings – whatever crosses your mind, as long as it appeals to sensory reactions and can be touched (perfectionists might use textured paper, or olfactory prompts,meaning things that have distinctive smells – perfume the stuff you send, foodstuff like home-made cookies, if you are really extreme worn underwear/ when "breaking up" vinegar-soaked, stink-bombs etc.)
* Other plots should also supply physical evidence whenever possible, for example: fake merchandise, skulls or whatever fits your plot, textured cardboard invitation to the "Sonichu Fan Convention", a fake ID etc.

* If a text-based approch can not be avoided, keep it really short and mark important passages in obvious ways and do not expect Chris to be able to keep up a coherent thought process over longer paragraphs – appeal to Chris secondary preference, visuals.
* Also usage of the same kind of language will attract his attention more easily as well aid convincing him to do stuff (eg. "Hang in there", "I can't put my finger on it", "cold-hearted", "come to grips", "follow", "foundation", "unbearable"- I think you get the main gist. If you need more ideas just look at any of his longer messages.)

And at last: Even if all this is followed, don't expect success – the explanations mentioned in the beginning still apply: Chris is Chris and stupidity can't even be helped by changing the communication channel, if Chris closes up. But at least your chances to get through are somewhat heightened and you've tried your best.
}}

User:Miela

2010-08-11T18:35:25Z

Miela:

==Me==
{{collapsible|Boxes|
<center>
{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}
{{Straight}}
{{Eurofag}}
{{White}}
{{Wii}}
{{PS3}}
{{Kitty}}
</center>
}}

{{collapsible|About me|

I'm studying towards a degree in Education and have been confronted with dealing with children and youths with disorders on the autism spectrum in practical classroom situations over the course of my studies.
In my opinion, it is pretty obvious that Chris did, if at all, benefit only in the slightest way from treatment designed to help those children cope and develop their abilities to bridge the gap to a world based primarily on a neurotypical viewpoint.

I am mainly watching the wiki because I'm oddly fascinated by the way Chris autism severely affects his life: while he uses it to justify himself, he does not seem to have taken part in any kind of specific program to help him with basic life skills or work on them on his own by using self-help guides.

He also does in no way give the impression to be motivated to do so, either out of disregard for these measures' longterm value, the wrong perception that he already is sufficiently prepared, or just by expecting someone else to mother him till the end of all days.
I'm just watching to find out if he gets it himself before someone else will finally intervene (I would bet on some major coup by Rocky).

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). Until then I'm reading up on social rules/conduct and autism, so I will probably add several aspects of "Chrisness" later on.
}}

You might notice grammar/spelling/stylistic errors, which might be a result of me not being a native speaker of English - if you do, you are at leave to correct them or drop me a line :)

==Trolling==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Ways in which Trolling might benefit Chris
! Ways in which Trolling might hinder Chris
|-
| Chris needs to be aware that exposing private information out of impulse does have short- and longterm effects and that you shouldn't trust so. just because there might be the promise of China.
| Chris will find it hard to accepted into formal settings, such as the workplace, because of the kind of information already leaked. He will not be able to hide his weaknesses.
|-
| Someone who holds power might actually start to feel responsible and actively intervene.
| People who could help won't because they feel Chris doesn't deserve it/ it won't work anyway.
|-
| Chris, finding himself unable to cope with all the stress, actively seeks out help and is prompted to partake in a therapeutic program for traing autistics.
| Chris might start to view everyone as a troll and deny any offer of assistance because of paranoia.
|}

==Chris and Learning==
{{collapsible|Essay thingy|
Chris failure to reflect and plan for the future has often been noted by trolls. While they could be explained by autism or plain stupidity something else could play into this as well.

Something that occured to me when reading a book by Nicholas Boothman about interpersonal relationships (''How to Make People Like You in 90 Seconds or Less'' - great book, go and read it, if you don't intend trolling!), is the way his preferred channel of processing information might play into this.
As you might know, there are broadly speaking three channels over which information is taken in and processed (although there are sometimes up to 12 subgroups defined).
This process works markedly better in the preferred channel, therefore one should try to identify the preference of a conversation partner in order to convey more easily.

While most people are still able to access different channels at the same time, taking in information and process it more or less successfully, it has been observed that people on the autism spectrum seem to be challenged by this. They often rely very much on one channel and have great problems to work with information that appeals to other channels and can not use this information (if they get it at all).

Classification:
Chris thought processes are dominated by the kinaesthetic channel. Plenty evidence can be found in his conduct (fidgeting, trying to touch/sniff RL galpals, constant fiddling with something (drawing, DS etc.), the use of props such as the attraction sign etc.) . If you take a closer look at his longer ramblings, they are heavily marked by verbs of action and sensory impressions and the way HE feels (sth. is "hard", he feels "pressured", "Stress", "hurt" etc.).

What could be explained by that?
* conduct in public, such as the importance of things to connect to others – they are a result of his unability to control his kinaesthetic impulses
* slow winding speech where he rambles on and you don't get what he wants
* his inability to reflect and learn for the future:
<blockquote>
"This child prefers to learn physically and if they can touch and feel whatever they are learning about, they will process and remember the information quite well. However, these children are usually quite restless, have difficulty paying attention, and can't seem to get "focused" (a visual term).
Kinesthetic learners do not make internal pictures of neatness so it is normal to be disorganized. Time is not especially meaningful since they don't project the consequences of their actions, simply because they don't "see" into the future. They only understand the present moment. [...]
All the skills that the visual learner takes for granted, such as remembering information through internal images, neatness, and the ability to remain focused, are not immediately available to the kinesthetic learner [...]"
</blockquote> (Source: http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Learning_vs_Testing.asp?cat=1)

==Implications for Trolling==
Generally speaking, any appeal to his mind is generally doomed to fail, his emotions have to be the aim (nothing new here), as well as triggering some kind of physical reaction
* Any troll attempts should include physical proof of whatever you're trying to sell to him, while digital text-based attempts should be avoided unless short and well structured

* Future sweetheart-plots should, if possible, establish some kind of physical connection. When meeting up (however disgusting to female field agent) at least a small amount of bodily contact should be made to leave a lasting impression: touching of hands, bumping shoulders, kicking/hitting when he oversteps boundaries)
* If unable/unwilling to do this, props should be provided: love-letters, dried flowers, hair locks, hand-made drawings – whatever crosses your mind, as long as it appeals to sensory reactions and can be touched (perfectionists might use textured paper, or olfactory prompts,meaning things that have distinctive smells – perfume the stuff you send, foodstuff like home-made cookies, if you are really extreme worn underwear/ when "breaking up" vinegar-soaked, stink-bombs etc.)
* Other plots should also supply physical evidence whenever possible, for example: fake merchandise, skulls or whatever fits your plot, textured cardboard invitation to the "Sonichu Fan Convention", a fake ID etc.

* If a text-based approch can not be avoided, keep it really short and mark important passages in obvious ways and do not expect Chris to be able to keep up a coherent thought process over longer paragraphs – appeal to Chris secondary preference, visuals.
* Also usage of the same kind of language will attract his attention more easily as well aid convincing him to do stuff (eg. "Hang in there", "I can't put my finger on it", "cold-hearted", "come to grips", "follow", "foundation", "unbearable"- I think you get the main gist. If you need more ideas just look at any of his longer messages.)

And at last: Even if all this is followed, don't expect success – the explanations mentioned in the beginning still apply: Chris is Chris and stupidity can't even be helped by changing the communication channel, if Chris closes up. But at least your chances to get through are somewhat heightened and you've tried your best.
}}

User talk:Miela

2010-08-11T18:31:30Z

Miela:

User:Miela

2010-08-11T16:26:43Z

Miela:

==Me==
{{collapsible|Boxes|
<center>
{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}
{{Straight}}
{{Eurofag}}
{{White}}
{{Wii}}
{{PS3}}
{{Kitty}}
</center>
}}

Im studying towards a degree in Education and have been confronted with dealing with children and youths with disorders on the autism spectrum in practical classroom situations over the course of my studies.
In my opinion, it is pretty obvious that Chris did, if at all, benefit only in the slightest way from treatment designed to help those children cope and develop their abilities to bridge the gap to a world based primarily on a neurotypical viewpoint.

I am mainly watching the wiki because I'm oddly fascinated by the way Chris autism severely affects his life: while he uses it to justify himself, he does not seem to have taken part in any kind of specific program to help him with basic life skills or work on them on his own by using self-help guides.

He also does in no way give the impression to be motivated to do so, either out of disregard for these measures' longterm value, the wrong perception that he already is sufficiently prepared, or just by expecting someone else to mother him till the end of all days.
I'm just watching to find out if he gets it himself before someone else will finally intervene (I would bet on some major coup by Rocky).

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). Until then I'm reading up on social rules/conduct and autism, so I will probably add several aspects of "Chrisness" later on.

You might notice grammar/spelling/stylistic errors, which might be a result of me not being a native speaker of English - if you do, you are at leave to correct them or drop me a line :)

==Trolling==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Ways in which Trolling might benefit Chris
! Ways in which Trolling might hinder Chris
|-
| Chris needs to be aware that exposing private information out of impulse does have short- and longterm effects and that you shouldn't trust so. just because there might be the promise of China.
| Chris will find it hard to accepted into formal settings, such as the workplace, because of the kind of information already leaked. He will not be able to hide his weaknesses.
|-
| Someone who holds power might actually start to feel responsible and actively intervene.
| People who could help won't because they feel Chris doesn't deserve it/ it won't work anyway.
|-
| Chris, finding himself unable to cope with all the stress, actively seeks out help and is prompted to partake in a therapeutic program for traing autistics.
| Chris might start to view everyone as a troll and deny any offer of assistance because of paranoia.
|}

==Chris and Learning==

Chris failure to reflect and plan for the future has often been noted by trolls. While they could be explained by autism or plain stupidity something else could play into this as well.

Something that occured to me when reading a book by Nicholas Boothman about interpersonal relationships (''How to Make People Like You in 90 Seconds or Less'' - great book, go and read it, if you don't intend trolling!), is the way his preferred channel of processing information might play into this.
As you might know, there are broadly speaking three channels over which information is taken in and processed (although there are sometimes up to 12 subgroups defined).
This process works markedly better in the preferred channel, therefore one should try to identify the preference of a conversation partner in order to convey more easily.

While most people are still able to access different channels at the same time, taking in information and process it more or less successfully, it has been observed that people on the autism spectrum seem to be challenged by this. They often rely very much on one channel and have great problems to work with information that appeals to other channels and can not use this information (if they get it at all).

Classification:
Chris thought processes are dominated by the kinaesthetic channel. Plenty evidence can be found in his conduct (fidgeting, trying to touch/sniff RL galpals, constant fiddling with something (drawing, DS etc.), the use of props such as the attraction sign etc.) . If you take a closer look at his longer ramblings, they are heavily marked by verbs of action and sensory impressions and the way HE feels (sth. is "hard", he feels "pressured", "Stress", "hurt" etc.).

What could be explained by that?
* conduct in public, such as the importance of things to connect to others – they are a result of his unability to control his kinaesthetic impulses
* slow winding speech where he rambles on and you don't get what he wants
* his inability to reflect and learn for the future:
<blockquote>
"This child prefers to learn physically and if they can touch and feel whatever they are learning about, they will process and remember the information quite well. However, these children are usually quite restless, have difficulty paying attention, and can't seem to get "focused" (a visual term).
Kinesthetic learners do not make internal pictures of neatness so it is normal to be disorganized. Time is not especially meaningful since they don't project the consequences of their actions, simply because they don't "see" into the future. They only understand the present moment. [...]
All the skills that the visual learner takes for granted, such as remembering information through internal images, neatness, and the ability to remain focused, are not immediately available to the kinesthetic learner [...]"
</blockquote> (Source: http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Learning_vs_Testing.asp?cat=1)

==Implications for Trolling==
Generally speaking, any appeal to his mind is generally doomed to fail, his emotions have to be the aim (nothing new here), as well as triggering some kind of physical reaction
* Any troll attempts should include physical proof of whatever you're trying to sell to him, while digital text-based attempts should be avoided unless short and well structured

* Future sweetheart-plots should, if possible, establish some kind of physical connection. When meeting up (however disgusting to female field agent) at least a small amount of bodily contact should be made to leave a lasting impression: touching of hands, bumping shoulders, kicking/hitting when he oversteps boundaries)
* If unable/unwilling to do this, props should be provided: love-letters, dried flowers, hair locks, hand-made drawings – whatever crosses your mind, as long as it appeals to sensory reactions and can be touched (perfectionists might use textured paper, or olfactory prompts,meaning things that have distinctive smells – perfume the stuff you send, foodstuff like home-made cookies, if you are really extreme worn underwear/ when "breaking up" vinegar-soaked, stink-bombs etc.)
* Other plots should also supply physical evidence whenever possible, for example: fake merchandise, skulls or whatever fits your plot, textured cardboard invitation to the "Sonichu Fan Convention", a fake ID etc.

* If a text-based approch can not be avoided, keep it really short and mark important passages in obvious ways and do not expect Chris to be able to keep up a coherent thought process over longer paragraphs – appeal to Chris secondary preference, visuals.
* Also usage of the same kind of language will attract his attention more easily as well aid convincing him to do stuff (eg. "Hang in there", "I can't put my finger on it", "cold-hearted", "come to grips", "follow", "foundation", "unbearable"- I think you get the main gist. If you need more ideas just look at any of his longer messages.)

And at last: Even if all this is followed, don't expect success – the explanations mentioned in the beginning still apply: Chris is Chris and stupidity can't even be helped by changing the communication channel, if Chris closes up. But at least your chances to get through are somewhat heightened and you've tried your best.

Obesity

2010-08-03T04:31:26Z

Miela: Correction of feet/metre conversion

[[Image:Ecp00066.jpg|thumb|A fine example of severe obesity.]]
[[Image:0839-MomDesi.JPG|thumb|180px|PROTIP: The Atkins Diet doesn't work, [[Barb|fatty]].]]

{{quote|One more thing, [[Chris and reality|I AM NOT OVERWEIGHT!!!!!!!!!]]|Chris, lying to [[White knight emails|White Knight]]}}

'''Obesity''' is perceived to be a worldwide epidemic, especially in America, with about 64% of adults overweight and 26% obese. This is especially apparent in the [[14 Branchland Court|Chandler home]], in which 100% of its residents are fucking fat. [[Chris]], [[Barbara]] and even their cat, [[Desi Chandler|Desi]].

Chris seems to be in denial about his own obesity. His denial is evidenced by the fact that he portrays himself as [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|a slim, barrel-chested hero]] in his [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]] and in [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE]], when he describes himself as "fit as a fiddle".

Another example of this was when he created a character for his comics named [[Sammy]], whom Chris stated is based off him when he "temporary gained weight, Became stupid, and went to watch television at ghost command", even though he has always been this way. Except, y'know, for the ghost command part. But that's a whole other problem.

== Exercise ==
[[Image:Cwcspin.gif|right|Exercise]]

Chris believes that exercise involves standing up without moving, and thus considers playing ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' a workout. During one of his [[PSN]] chats with Julie, when asked to exercise more, he replied, "I'll stand up more". It is not known how Chris came to believe that standing up is exercise, but it is most likely that Chris is simply extremely lazy and will lie to say that he works out every day, even though he just plays vidya. It's possible he's picked it up from health tips that say standing burns more calories than sitting down,<ref>http://www.rd.com/living-healthy/8-ways-to-burn-calories-without-noticing/article16261.html ''Reader's Digest.'' See tip #3</ref><ref>http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/office-exercise/SM00115 ''Mayo Clinic.'' See tip #2</ref> but rather than use such tips to get the most out of an already busy lifestyle, he substitutes it for actual exercise altogether. It's also entirely possible he's in such terrible shape that the simple act of standing tires him as much as an actual workout would tire a normal human being.

[[Emily]] has said Chris power walks around his neighborhood for thirty minutes and claims it's two miles, then claims to jog for two or three minutes every walk. She then went on to say Chris doesn't know how to jog — he thinks you either walk or run full tilt. It's safe to say he tries to run at "[[Sonic]] speed" for ten seconds, then resumes his leisurely waddle. This theory is confirmed in [[Sonichu's Edge]].

== Actual weight ==
[[File:Futurechan.PNG|240px|left]]
In an IRC fan chat, when asked how much he weighed, Chris replied "about 200 [pounds]". During his phone call with [[Kacey and Liquid Call|Kacey and Liquid Chris]], he angrily denied the suggestion that he weighed as much as 220 lbs (99.79kg), claiming he weighed "a lot less." One possible explanation is that Chris doesn't know his actual weight. It's anyone's guess as to when he last stepped on a scale. And considering how much fast food he consumes, it is safe to assume he gains a significant amount of weight each year. One might guess he may not have weighed himself since high school (this is a complete guess, based on nothing), in which case, assuming he has bulked up a good amount since then, he would believe he weighs approximately 200 lbs (90.71kg), either being too mentally crippled by autism or being too mentally crippled by his ego to notice how much fatter he has gotten. The only other explanation is that Chris has little to no muscle mass, with a body that is mostly fat (which, considering his lifestyle, is not unlikely). Considering muscle is heavier than fat, it would be possible for Chris to weigh as little as 200 lbs. Even if he did weigh 200 lbs, though, his BMI would be 28.7, which is overweight.

Taking Chris's height into consideration (5'10")/(~1.78 m), along with the nude pictures circulating the Internet, a better estimation would be in the mid 200s, closing in on 300 lbs (136.07kg) thanks to his constant consumption of McNuggets and corn syrup. A healthy weight for someone Chris's height would be somewhere around 160 (72.6kg) to 175 lbs (79.37kg), but he's not likely to get that low ever again without the aid of gastric bypass surgery or the amputation of multiple limbs.

Chris has probably asked his [[Barbara Chandler|Mom]] about being fat. Being the coddling cow that she is, she more than likely told him he was a slim and attractive young man (which he is... compared to her).

== Denial ==
[[Image:FattyLOL.jpg|thumb|180px|Horizontal stripes are very slimming!]]

Chris has always been in denial about his weight. A white knight once told him that he needed to lose some weight if he ever wanted to get a girlfriend. Chris responded by freaking out and exclaiming that he wasn't fat. In IRC, Chris has been known to become very defensive about his weight, always making claims that he works out, when in fact he just stands up while playing ''Guitar Hero''. Chris's reaction to being called fat is precisely the same as his reaction to being called gay. Unfortunately for Chris, there isn't a [[Homo#Defenses_against_becoming_homo|poster that will help him lose weight]]. He simply screams that he isn't fat, then oftentimes lies, and calls the person accusing him fat. He exhibited this behavior during an email with [[Evan]], during his phone call with [[Father Call|Kacey's father]], and especially in his conversation with [[Kacey and Liquid Call|Kacey and Liquid Chris]], where insults about his weight triggered a screaming rage.

However, during his original rivalry with [[Liquid Chris]], Chris once finally admitted he was perhaps maybe just a little bit fat, but only because he could use this as proof that he was the ''real'' Christian Weston Chandler. A similar problem arose during the [[Asperchu]] saga, where Chris, in an attempt to prove that Asperchu was a parody of himself, was forced to admit that Asperchu's "Buddha belly" and "man boobs" are similar to his own. More specifically, he acts as though he ''used'' to have a sagging gut, even though he has, in fact, porked up significantly since High School. He chose to focus on this aspect of Asperchu rather than admit his more embarrassing failures the series parodies. He did once admit in a [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|phone call]] with [[Jack Thaddeus]] that he was not fit.

The fact is, Chris has been spoiled so much by his mother, told that he was perfect and muscular so much, that he believes that when he looks in a mirror, he sees a six-pack, whereas what the rest of us see is a fat autistic manchild.

There is also convincing evidence that [[autism|Chris has difficulty recognizing]] the human figure — faces in particular. His consistent representation of himself as slender and athletic may be attributable to his having formed his self-image during high school, when he would spend hours studying his then-scrawnier self in the mirror, memorizing his looks.<ref> [[Sonichu 7]] - [http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcipedia/index.php/Issue_7/Page_25 "...I had to train my brain to visually remember what I looked like..."]</ref> Furthermore, [[Blanca]] was able to use pictures of different girls with only basic features in common (e.g., hair color and length) to trick Chris into thinking "she" was the same girl.

In [[For J-R's Eyes Only.MOV]], Chris is seen wearing a [[Muscle bra|sports bra]] and admitting he has manboobs, as well as divulging his bust size (42 inches). Obesity alone doesn't account for the engorged areolas and larger than normal size bust, however. These are symptoms of [[Wikipedia:Gynecomastia|gynecomastia]], colloquially known as "bitch tits," which is caused by a hormonal imbalance. Chris's lack of muscle tone, lack of body hair, and high voice are signs that he may have too much estrogen in his body. Obesity causes the release of even more estrogen. Ergo, a perfect recipe for gynecomastia.

==Places where Chris likes to eat==
* [[Country Cookin]]
* [[McDonalds]]
* [[Golden Corral]]
* [[Semen|Bedroom]]

==See also==
* [[Chris and health]]
* [[CWC 30 Push Ups]]
* [[51 50]]
* [[Muscle bra]]
* [[Sonichu's Edge]]

==Sauces==
<references/>

[[Category:Chris-chan]]

User:Miela

2010-07-28T00:40:12Z

Miela: Chris Learner Type/ Implications for Trolling

==Me==

{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}{{Straight}}{{Eurofag}}

Im studying towards a degree in Education and have been confronted with dealing with children and youths with disorders on the autism spectrum in practical classroom situations over the course of my studies.
In my opinion, it is pretty obvious that Chris did, if at all, benefit only in the slightest way from treatment designed to help those children cope and develop their abilities to bridge the gap to a world based primarily on a neurotypical viewpoint.

I am mainly watching the wiki because I'm oddly fascinated by the way Chris autism severely affects his life: while he uses it to justify himself, he does not seem to have taken part in any kind of specific program to help him with basic life skills or work on them on his own by using self-help guides.

He also does in no way give the impression to be motivated to do so, either out of disregard for these measures' longterm value, the wrong perception that he already is sufficiently prepared, or just by expecting someone else to mother him till the end of all days.
I'm just watching to find out if he gets it himself before someone else will finally intervene (I would bet on some major coup by Rocky).

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). Until then I'm reading up on social rules/conduct and autism, so I will probably add several aspects of "Chrisness" later on.

You might notice grammar/spelling/stylistic errors, which might be a result of me not being a native speaker of English - if you do, you are at leave to correct them or drop me a line :)

==Trolling==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Ways in which Trolling might benefit Chris
! Ways in which Trolling might hinder Chris
|-
| Chris needs to be aware that exposing private information out of impulse does have short- and longterm effects and that you shouldn't trust so. just because there might be the promise of China.
| Chris will find it hard to accepted into formal settings, such as the workplace, because of the kind of information already leaked. He will not be able to hide his weaknesses.
|-
| Someone who holds power might actually start to feel responsible and actively intervene.
| People who could help won't because they feel Chris doesn't deserve it/ it won't work anyway.
|-
| Chris, finding himself unable to cope with all the stress, actively seeks out help and is prompted to partake in a therapeutic program for traing autistics.
| Chris might start to view everyone as a troll and deny any offer of assistance because of paranoia.
|}

==Chris and Learning==

Chris failure to reflect and plan for the future has often been noted by trolls. While they could be explained by autism or plain stupidity something else could play into this as well.

Something that occured to me when reading a book by Nicholas Boothman about interpersonal relationships (''How to Make People Like You in 90 Seconds or Less'' - great book, go and read it, if you don't intend trolling!), is the way his preferred channel of processing information might play into this.
As you might know, there are broadly speaking three channels over which information is taken in and processed (although there are sometimes up to 12 subgroups defined).
This process works markedly better in the preferred channel, therefore one should try to identify the preference of a conversation partner in order to convey more easily.

While most people are still able to access different channels at the same time, taking in information and process it more or less successfully, it has been observed that people on the autism spectrum seem to be challenged by this. They often rely very much on one channel and have great problems to work with information that appeals to other channels and can not use this information (if they get it at all).

Classification:
Chris thought processes are dominated by the kinaesthetic channel. Plenty evidence can be found in his conduct (fidgeting, trying to touch/sniff RL galpals, constant fiddling with something (drawing, DS etc.), the use of props such as the attraction sign etc.) . If you take a closer look at his longer ramblings, they are heavily marked by verbs of action and sensory impressions and the way HE feels (sth. is "hard", he feels "pressured", "Stress", "hurt" etc.).

What could be explained by that?
* conduct in public, such as the importance of things to connect to others – they are a result of his unability to control his kinaesthetic impulses
* slow winding speech where he rambles on and you don't get what he wants
* his inability to reflect and learn for the future:
<blockquote>
"This child prefers to learn physically and if they can touch and feel whatever they are learning about, they will process and remember the information quite well. However, these children are usually quite restless, have difficulty paying attention, and can't seem to get "focused" (a visual term).
Kinesthetic learners do not make internal pictures of neatness so it is normal to be disorganized. Time is not especially meaningful since they don't project the consequences of their actions, simply because they don't "see" into the future. They only understand the present moment. [...]
All the skills that the visual learner takes for granted, such as remembering information through internal images, neatness, and the ability to remain focused, are not immediately available to the kinesthetic learner [...]"
</blockquote> (Source: http://www.autismtoday.com/articles/Learning_vs_Testing.asp?cat=1)

==Implications for Trolling==
Generally speaking, any appeal to his mind is generally doomed to fail, his emotions have to be the aim (nothing new here), as well as triggering some kind of physical reaction
* Any troll attempts should include physical proof of whatever you're trying to sell to him, while digital text-based attempts should be avoided unless short and well structured

* Future sweetheart-plots should, if possible, establish some kind of physical connection. When meeting up (however disgusting to female field agent) at least a small amount of bodily contact should be made to leave a lasting impression: touching of hands, bumping shoulders, kicking/hitting when he oversteps boundaries)
* If unable/unwilling to do this, props should be provided: love-letters, dried flowers, hair locks, hand-made drawings – whatever crosses your mind, as long as it appeals to sensory reactions and can be touched (perfectionists might use textured paper, or olfactory prompts,meaning things that have distinctive smells – perfume the stuff you send, foodstuff like home-made cookies, if you are really extreme worn underwear/ when "breaking up" vinegar-soaked, stink-bombs etc.)
* Other plots should also supply physical evidence whenever possible, for example: fake merchandise, skulls or whatever fits your plot, textured cardboard invitation to the "Sonichu Fan Convention", a fake ID etc.

* If a text-based approch can not be avoided, keep it really short and mark important passages in obvious ways and do not expect Chris to be able to keep up a coherent thought process over longer paragraphs – appeal to Chris secondary preference, visuals.
* Also usage of the same kind of language will attract his attention more easily as well aid convincing him to do stuff (eg. "Hang in there", "I can't put my finger on it", "cold-hearted", "come to grips", "follow", "foundation", "unbearable"- I think you get the main gist. If you need more ideas just look at any of his longer messages.)

And at last: Even if all this is followed, don't expect success – the explanations mentioned in the beginning still apply: Chris is Chris and stupidity can't even be helped by changing the communication channel, if Chris closes up. But at least your chances to get through are somewhat heightened and you've tried your best.

User talk:Thepicklesuitintheman

2010-07-24T17:52:41Z

Miela: /* Recent entries to your user page */

==Not A Forum==

{{Not A Forum}}

CWCki talkpages are not forums. Discontinue using talk pages for discussion. Your Autism is no excuse. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

ur gay —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 20:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

==Newsletter==

Your opinions intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

==Recent entries to your user page==

Whatever others might reply to this: I think you're fucking great for stating this. You've spotlighted something that has bothered me for some time in certain articles and will need to be addressed if the CWCiki really tries to become more neutral. *applauds you* --[[User:Miela|Miela]] 17:52, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

User talk:Thepicklesuitintheman

2010-07-24T17:51:54Z

Miela: /* Recent entries to your user page */

User talk:Thepicklesuitintheman

2010-07-24T17:51:23Z

Miela:

==Not A Forum==

{{Not A Forum}}

CWCki talkpages are not forums. Discontinue using talk pages for discussion. Your Autism is no excuse. --[[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]] 03:17, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

ur gay —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 20:31, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

==Newsletter==

Your opinions intrigue me and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

==Recent entries to your user page==

Whatever others might reply to this: I think you're fucking great for stating this. You've spotlighted something that has bothered me for some time in certain articles and will need to be addressed if the CWCiki really tries to become more neutral.
*applauds you* [[User:Miela|Miela]] 17:51, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Miela

2010-07-24T17:41:37Z

Miela: /* Me */

User:Miela

2010-07-24T17:34:24Z

Miela:

==Me==

{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}{{Straight}}{{Eurofag}}

Im studying towards a degree in Education and am mainly watching the wiki because I'm oddly fascinated by the way Chris autism severely affects his life: while he uses it to justify himself, he does not seem to have taken part in any kind of specific program to help him with basic life skills or work on them on his own by using self-help guides.
He also does in no way give the impression to be motivated to do so, either out of disregard for these measures' longterm value, the wrong perception that he already is sufficiently prepared, or just by expecting someone else to mother him till the end of all days.
I'm just watching to find out if he gets it himself before someone else will finally intervene (I would bet on some major coup by Rocky).

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). -- [[User:Miela|Miela]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Trolling==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Ways in which Trolling might benefit Chris
! Ways in which Trolling might hinder Chris
|-
| Chris needs to be aware that exposing private information out of impulse does have short- and longterm effects and that you shouldn't trust so. just because there might be the promise of China.
| Chris will find it hard to accepted into formal settings, such as the workplace, because of the kind of information already leaked. He will not be able to hide his weaknesses.
|-
| Someone who holds power might actually start to feel responsible and actively intervene.
| People who could help won't because they feel Chris doesn't deserve it/ it won't work anyway.
|-
| Chris, finding himself unable to cope with all the stress, actively seeks out help and is prompted to partake in a therapeutic program for traing autistics.
| Chris might start to view everyone as a troll and deny any offer of assistance because of paranoia.
|}

User:Miela

2010-07-24T14:04:40Z

Miela:

==Me==

{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}{{Straight}}{{Eurofag}}

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). -- [[User:Miela|Miela]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

==Trolling==
{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Ways in which Trolling might benefit Chris
! Ways in which Trolling might hinder Chris
|-
| Chris needs to be aware that exposing private information out of impulse does have short- and longterm effects and that you shouldn't trust so. just because there might be the promise of China.
| Chris will find it hard to accepted into formal settings, such as the workplace, because of the kind of information already leaked. He will not be able to hide his weaknesses.
|-
| Someone who holds power might actually start to feel responsible and actively intervene.
| People who could help won't because they feel Chris doesn't deserve it/ it won't work anyway.
|-
| Chris, finding himself unable to cope with all the stress, actively seeks out help and is prompted to partake in a therapeutic program for traing autistics.
| Chris might start to view everyone as a troll and deny any offer of assistance because of paranoia.
|}

User:Miela

2010-07-24T13:33:30Z

Miela:

{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}{{Straight}}{{Eurofag}}

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not to mess up (at least in a big way). [[User:Miela|Miela]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Miela

2010-07-24T13:33:10Z

Miela:

{{BoyfriendFreeGirl}}{{Straight}}{{Eurofag}}

I've been lurking for some time and will probably keep doing this, until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confident not too mess up (at least in a big way). [[User:Miela|Miela]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

CWCki:General

2010-07-24T13:22:20Z

Miela:

__NEWSECTIONLINK__
For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.

==Hey people, how about those Mumble chats?==
I've started a "10 minutes at a time" project to finish transcribing mumbles. Transcribing sucks, but 10 minutes in one go can relieve the strain on the people transcribing. Especially since if we get 10 or more people on board, transcribing a Mumble can be finished in the space of a couple of days instead of one person over the course of 10 days. I have a couple of people on board, but it would be nice to have several more. For the specifics of how it works, go to my [[User:Fuckingstupid|user page]]. [[Mumble_7|The Mumble chat we are currently tackling is #7]]. It would be nice if anyone who has a couple spare hours a day to transcribe a simple 10 minutes. Thanks in advance. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:25, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== Chris and Love Suggestion? ==
I was thinking we should add a new article on the "Chris and...." series. Perhaps "Romance"? Maybe give an insight on his idea of being romantic. I feel we could write good article on this. There's a shit load of cheesy awkward sayings. Also,an observation on his behavior on dates with trolls could be good. Just a thought. --[[User:Bealtespip122]]

* Not a bad idea. Because Chris has blurred the line between romance and sex. With him, it's one in the same. Would be interesting to poke at I think. [[User:Chris_Pickles|Chris_Pickles]]

Aye, "romance" to him is just a means to an end. He sees act of dating as not about two people enjoying each others company, it's just to test compatibility so they can eventually fuck. Anything beyond that is just a ruse to keep the woman interested. I can't imagine him having a sincere desire to have an emotional connection with another human being, he just wants to be coddled and pleased. --[[User:Xanabit|Xanabit]] 05:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

*[[Love quest]] more or less seems to cover this.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

*I'd say the Love Quest really covers his attempts at "reelin' in da ladiez" and being thwarted by outside forces. Not so much as a personal insight into what Chris thinks is romantic or sweet. --[[User:Bealtespip122|Bealtespip122]] 16:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
** Rather than being covered by the love quest page, it's just mentioned; same treatment for [[Chris and sex]]. The events of the Megan, Ivy, and Wallflower sagas tell a lot about his view of romance. Can't forget the essential McDonald's date either. Without some good writing, though, it might not make the best article. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 17:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

== Fridays After Five yet again ==

This probably isn't a big surprise to anyone, but Chris was also at Fridays After Five on July 16th. No pictures, I'm afraid. He was wearing a bright orange sleeveless shirt with what looked like a beer logo on the back and holding a Budweiser aluminum bottle, a little mini fan made to look like an iPod, and a hula hoop for some reason. Most importantly he had a sort of basic attraction sign with him, nothing elaborate or directly sexual but it said something like "Friendly and Flirty Man Zone" or something similar to that and with more smaller text under that I couldn't make out. He was sitting on the back grass part and left a few minutes before the music was over. I would have loved to catch Chris's attempts at using the hula hoop, I bet that was funny as hell. [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 03:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
*Good work. Mind getting some pictures next time? [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 03:28, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
**If I get to Charlottesville again when it's going on, I'll see what I can do. [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 03:53, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::*No pressure. It's your prerogative. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 03:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::* If you're some tard trying to get attention, fuck you, die. I have to put that disclaimer in nowadays, nothing personal. If you're being TRUE and HONEST, thank you so much for reporting this, because Chris holding something that says "Friendly and Flirty Man Zone" would be the most unintentionally hilarious thing that has ever happened. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 05:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Oh no, this is very real. I have another person confirming the hula hoop thing. The man zone thing is what confirms it. Yeah. It's pretty damn retarded. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:30, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::* Holy shit, I'm just trying to help out during a dry spell and I'm even willing to try going back and get pics, and your reaction is "fuck you, die"? May I also point out that this very site has a giant banner across the top of the main page making in very clear that they want all sightings reported? What on earth is wrong with you? [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 14:12, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::*Well, I say thanks for your assistance. Clyde confirms what is obviously good intel. Pics are nice, but hey. Nice find anyhow. Keep up the great work. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
::::::*Since we have confirmation, I guess I'll add this as a sighting to the Fridays after five article. Thanks a bunch Camelopardalis.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 16:16, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::*Thanks, guys. To answer some of the "What, no pictures?!" sentiment, I went there to listen to some music and didn't really expect to see anything photo-worthy. These are local bands that usually play in bars and so on. Lots of people didn't bring cameras, especially as the band was a country-bluegrass bunch, not exactly Lady Gaga. I'll definitely have a camera along next time, just in case. [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 01:51, 20 July 2010 (UTC)
:::::::*Oh, and I think I can explain the hula hoop. If you look at the pictures of Chris at FAF on July 9, the wide shots taken from inside the seats area, not the close-up one on CWCki, there's two young girls and apparently their moms using hula hoops right behind him. I know the general opinion is Chris isn't a pedo, but all it takes is some basic logic that he observed little girls hula hooping at FAF and then brought one the next week himself. Not that creepy behavior is anything new for Chris but following up the kid-photographing incident with this? [[User:Camelopardalis|Camelopardalis]] 02:09, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

== "fan works purge", including TV Tropes even here ==

[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/Special:Log/delete Partying like it's 1937] makes me kinda sad. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 05:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
* Meh. That Tropes "article" was one of the biggest crimes in CWCki history, and the Charles Wilbur Crushman thing was the first online item I've come across that was such a steaming pile of shit I could actually smell it. The rest I have no comment on, but there was so much selfsucking garbage on here that it justified a deletion policy, and it probably justified said deletion as well. [[User:Sully|Sully]] 05:48, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::Crimes against the people, I guess. Goodbye [http://www.youropinionsarewrong.com/images/random/stalin-airbrush.jpg Comrade T.V. Tropes], hardly we knew ye. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 06:25, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

:::The whole fan works section was a mistake in the first place. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:34, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::::Counter-revolutionary nest that sabotages and opposes the creative work of the people. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 06:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

::::: shut up, you face [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

The fan-works thing started out as a few fun little comics and stories that where just basically bored people fucking around and satirizing Chris' shit. Then people started taking it seriously, or trying to become e-famous, or just generally being self important and retarded. The good "fan-works" can be archived and stored elsewhere, because unless it's specifically relevant to Chris or a Chris event it really doesn't belong here.

More importantly, most of the fan-works sucked metric ass, and it was bringing in a massive collection of morons that where really starting to fag up the place. Personally, I think the "fan-works purge" is the best thing to happen to the CWCki in a long time.

== this community portal split idea was retarded ==
a very good post by clydec age 9 [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 06:37, 19 July 2010 (UTC)
*WARNED YOU ABOUT THE SPLIT, BRO.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:00, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

== Look what I did ==

I made a couple of userboxes. Use them, disdain/ridicule them, or improve them as you see fit.
{{Catholic}} {{tl|Catholic}}
{{Methodist}} {{tl|Methodist}}
{{MartialArtist}} {{tl|MartialArtist}}
{{Armchair Psychologist}} {{tl|Armchair Psychologist}}

<small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:SeventhBase|SeventhBase]] ([[User talk:SeventhBase|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SeventhBase|contribs]]) </span></small>
:Nice work - just enhancing your template links and signing your posts. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 17:20, 21 July 2010 (UTC)
:: no these are stupid [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::More userboxes are not really what we need right now. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:30, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

== new idea for speculation ==
speculation runs high. split that up into multiple pages or something [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:54, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

==Chris and relationships==
Just a short idea: There are several categories regarding Chris relationships, aquaintances (for example [[Galpals|Galpals]] "Males Chris doesn't hate") orjust general people he interacted with. I think it might be beneficial to have a kind of overview regarding what people he interacted with in what timeline. Could also be linked under "friends" etc. in order to illustrate the extent of his growing social isolation and successive personal development. -- [[User:Miela|Miela]] 13:22, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Virgin with rage

2010-07-24T13:17:17Z

Miela:

==To do==
*add references to the phrase "virgin with rage" in Chris's works
*note how he associates violence with sex (he's a "virgin with rage", sex is described in "gory" details, etc.)
*Also how he masturbates or how he drew that picture of Megan to quell violent urges so he doesn't "fly off the handle." --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:12, 8 June 2009 (CEST)
*Another thing Chris stole, that line about hormones slam banging is from the first episode of Space Ghost Coast to Coast. Good job Chris, you can't even be a horny creep without stealing something. [[User:Admiral Klank|Admiral Klank]] 20:37, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

==Views on virginity==
In my opinion, the section could be expanded with statements Chris made about virginity in general and the properties he connects with losing one's virginity.
*He stated several times that just about everyone else loses their virginity in their teens, seemingly unaware of reality and statitics regarding this, for example that 4% of Americans will die a virgin or that 10% of males leaving higher education are still virgins, not to mention about 1 in 3 18-year olds of both sex. He might be simply unaware of this, ignore statistics in his self-centered view or because of the implication that he most likely will be one of the 4%(unless he goes to a prostitute).
*This page could also be linked to the one where he describes his fantasy-scenario of losing it to PandaHalo.
*He also implies that experiencing the "Power of Sex" will instantly transform his character, as he justifies his poor social skills regarding chatting up woman with "How should I know, I'm a Virgin" in the VivitheG-chat. There are probably more references of this kind out there.
*He probably also thinks that it would prove him being hetero. Some people on the autism spectrum experience difficulties identyfying their gender preferences unless they had some kind of physical evidence (I just read of a case of a sexually deviant autist who was sexually assaulted by an older man he regarded as a father figure and therefore concluded he had to be bisexual).
Actually, that would also explain his staunt view on male homosexuality to some extent, because he can not be entirely sure of his sexual identity unless there is something to "prove" it, also evidenced by his "I'm heterosexual" video.
I just want to know your opinions before including and referency stuff.[[User:Miela|Miela]] 13:17, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

User:Miela

2010-07-24T02:16:46Z

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I've been lurking for sometime and will probably keep doing this until I'm more familiar with editing. Nonetheless, I will try to help out as soon as I'm confidant not too mess up (at least in a big way). [[User:Miela|Miela]] 02:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)