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White knight

2012-07-01T02:26:44Z

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[[Image:Jack's Knight as William Spicer.jpg|thumb|right|180px|Artist's conception. Bad artist, but still.]]

{{quote|Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?|Chris, [[CWC Music Video Holding Out For a Hero|CWC Music Video ~ "Holding Out For a Hero"]]}}

'''White knight''' is a term used to describe someone who goes on the Internet to help or defend someone else on the Internet against other people on the Internet out of pity or compassion. White knighting of Chris is especially prevalent because of the unprecedented amount of abuse he has taken, which in turn is caused by Chris's total inability to heed the white knights in his life.

'''Counter-trolls''' are those who take Chris's side to spite his legion of [[trolls]]. Some do this because trolling one gullible idiot is less satisfying than trolling trolls, who actually have the ability to understand what is going on. Others have decided that Chris has jumped the shark and are trying to make everyone else leave him alone to put a stop to an old meme. Counter-trolls are not to be confused with [[anti-troll]]s, who fight trolls in order to get closer to Chris and troll him themselves.

A meta-topic within the broader Chris saga has been the merits of attempting to help Chris stop being such an epic lulzcow, and whether he is deserving of such assistance or even beyond help. The consensus on forums such as the talk page for Chris's [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] article, /cwc/, [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens (message board)|PVCC]], and [[Sonichu (IRC chat)|#sonichu]] is that Chris's [[racism]], [[Chris and Sex|homophobia]], and [[Chris and his Ego|narcissism]] make him beneath contempt; and that he has consistently refused to take advice given to him in good faith. White knights and counter-trolls are considered to be wasting everyone's time and trolls have little patience for them.

==Motives==

===Pity===
Following the release of Chris's first [[nudes|nude photos]] and the [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 21st, 2008|21 October 2008 video]] in which he reacted to the loss of his [[medallion]]s and [[Blanca]], many people, including trolls, felt sorry for him. They had not expected it to be possible for him to be trolled so hard or for him to appear so shattered.

===Empathy===
The Internet is full of autistic people, man-children, and self-absorbed morons. Many of them are right here, fascinated with Chris-chan. All of them see something of themselves in him, whether it's his all-consuming need for female companionship or his fervent belief that his homemade comics matter. A lot of white knights have made at least some of the mistakes Chris has made and have since wised up. They think they can help improve Chris by offering the benefit of their experience.

BAAAAAAAW! ''[[Kick the Autistic]]'' is a cruel game. Quit it!

===Circumstances beyond Chris's control===
There is ongoing debate about whether Chris is actually [[autism|autistic]]. Regardless, there is clear evidence that he suffers from serious mental deficiencies of some kind.

Chris fails to identify people, a possible sign of [[Wikipedia:Prosopagnosia|Prosopagnosia]]. [[BlueSpike|Julie and her brother Max]] used the same voice, and yet Chris couldn't recognize that they were the same person. Pictures of different women were used to depict [[Blanca]], and yet Chris thought they were the same person. Chris believed that pictures of [[Wikipedia:Megan Fox|Megan Fox]] were of [[Wikipedia:Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Hudgens]].<ref>[[Vanessa AIM Chat 9|Vanessa AIM Chat IX]]</ref> In high school, Chris memorized his appearance in the mirror because he had trouble recognizing himself.<ref>[[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] - [http://thedailypos.org/misc/sonichu/Issue%207/SchuComic8Page24.jpg "...I had to train my brain to visually remember what I looked like..."]</ref> Since he probably hasn't "updated" his self-image, this is a possible explanation regarding why he denies being fat.

Chris cannot "read between the lines" or otherwise interpret subtlety. He interprets ''[[Family Guy]]'' as being against homosexuality.<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate March 10th, 2009]]</ref> When two male acquaintances exchanged sarcastic homosexual remarks, Chris concluded that they were gay.<ref>Anecdote by [[Mimms]].</ref>

Furthermore, Chris's upbringing was anything but ideal. All of these factors and probably many more have helped give us the man-child we know today.

===The trolls are even worse people than Chris===
Another frequently heard line of reasoning is that the trolls have gone way too far, and have demonstrated that they're even worse than Chris, or at least equally pathetic. For example, [[BlueSpike]]'s sadistic abuse of his control over Chris [[BLUESPIKE#Encyclopedia_Dramatica_Troll_War|outraged even trolls]]. And, of course, who really has no life here: Chris, or the people who [[CWCki|obsessively document and debate everything he does]]?

===For the sake of Barbara's sanity===
At this point in time it is safe to say that Chris's remaining parent has been just as fatigued as Chris by the actions of trolls. Some argue that [[Snorlax]] should not have to suffer for his wrongdoings, and therefore think that Chris should be left alone just so she can enjoy the last few years of her life in peace.

==Reasons against white knighting==
===Chris could have ended the trolling whenever he wanted to, but didn't===
Lets face it, all Chris had to do to end the trolling was to just turn off his computer. If he would have done this small step, this whole debacle would have never happened. The trolls had nothing personal against Chris; They just decided he was a worthy target after reading Sonichu and seeing how he spazzed out at his page on Encyclopedia Dramatica. As soon as he would have quit responding to their provocations and quit posting videos of him tard raging on YouTube, the trolls would have just moved on to someone else. Instead, Chris tried to "fight back" against them, in turn revealing more and more information about himself until the trolls knew all of his contact info and all the details of his life. That was when the trolling went past a point of no return, spilling into Chris' personal life so much that there would be absolutely no way for him to ever disassociate himself from it. Even when he was away from the computer, he found himself subjected to trolling by them calling his cell phone, sending him mail and them following him around in public. While the obsessive trolling of Chris was nothing less than shitty, the fact still remains that Chris was the one who allowed them to have such control over his life thanks to him always overreacting to every little provocation and him handing over all his personal information to them.

===Chris lacks empathy himself===
:''See also: [[Chris and death]] and [[Chris and his Ego]].''
Chris cannot put himself in your shoes or accept that you have been where he is. He has no "theory of mind": if you used to be as shy around women as he is today, in his mind the fact that you aren't shy anymore makes your experience inapplicable to his situation. To Chris, the fact you got over it and he hasn't yet makes the two cases entirely different. He doesn't want to solve his problems by trying what worked for you, he only wants you to pity him for having problems, until he magically dreams up [[Dating education|his own solution]].

:'''RocketFox:''' My father died of liver cancer and cirrohosis a day ago ;~; he drank a ton and it hurt him - I'm only 11 and I dunno what to do ;~;
:'''Chris:''' RocketFox, you will soon recover from your father's accident, I guess it is; DO NOT DRINK Alcohol yourself; STAY OFF THAT JUNK.<ref>[[IRC (16 October 2008)]]</ref>

Chris's interpretation of the death of RocketFox's dad as an accident shows that he didn't even bother to look up what cirrhosis is. Immediately afterward, he started talking about a sexy dance.

Chris's reactions to suicide are very telling. After [[Ryan Cash]] died because of Chris, Chris marveled at how much power he had right after he tried to publicly console [[Clyde Cash]].<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate December 28th, 2008]]</ref> When [[Sarah May]] attempted suicide because of Chris, his reasons for her to stay alive were "I'd feel terrible" and "I'd just cry."<ref>[[Mumble 8|Mumble #8]]</ref><ref>[[CWC Shout Out to Sarah May]]</ref> When Chris broke up with [[Ivy]], he somehow concocted, in his head, an assumption that she had committed suicide. Even after having lost so many dear friends to suicide, he still had no problems telling Clyde and [[Jack Thaddeus]] to [[death threats|kill themselves]]. Many people who have had to deal with suicidal people or have lost relatives and friends due to suicides themselves might not exactly find this amusing.

In the [[Common_Questions#22_February_2010|22 February 2010]] edition of the [[CWCipedia]]'s "Common Questions", Chris listed the top ten worst things to have ever happened to him. The deaths of "two True and Good Women who [he] had friendships with," [[PandaHalo]] and [[Sarah Jackson]], ranked seventh. Those tragic events ranked below getting banned from a game store, finding out two people from said store were posting info about him on ED, and having his personal websites hacked.

On [[Twin Falling Towers|1 November 2009]], Chris made a video involving Clyde being as "weak as the Twin Towers" and used his mouse cursor as a plane flying into them.<ref>[[Twin Falling Towers]]</ref>

When Rashid Ali Abdul, an Iranian [[fan]], told him that her country's religious authorities sentenced her to death by beheading for reading ''Sonichu'', Chris said that he was sorry and that the situation was "pitiful".<ref>[[Mailbag 8|Mailbag #8]]</ref>

While some of this can be attributed to Chris's [[autism]], a condition that often results in a lack of empathy, most autistics can at least learn how to express empathy through a combination of carefully reading the emotions of others and thinking about how a situation affects other people. Chris refuses to seek serious counseling or psychiatric help for this sort of thing - but that's another point.

===Autism does not excuse a terrible person===
Chris knows he has trouble understanding non-verbal social cues due to his autism,<ref>[[Quizzes#Autism Quiz]]</ref> and yet he still jumps the gun on interpreting other people's intentions all the time.

Autism, in and of itself, does not create a failure as massive as Chris-Chan. A majority of autistics manage to get psychiatric help for their problem and/or are able to develop social and emotional skills so they can cope with their disability and lead rewarding and rich lives. Yet while Chris acknowledges he has a problem, he refuses to do anything more than see the [[Rocky Shoemaker|pastoral counselor]] at his church, who is not a professional trained in the treatment of autism spectrum disorders.<ref>[[Vivian's AIM chat]]</ref>

Chris is fully capable of understanding the consequences of his actions. He has a sense of morality (even if he often ignores it in favor of his own selfish interests). He would be (and has been) held accountable for his own actions in a court of law (and rightfully so). The fact he is a racist, a homophobe, and a chauvinist have nothing to do with his autism.

===Chris is beyond pity===

[[Image:Chrischantwoface.jpg|thumb|right|Chris's mood is all over the place, even between videos posted shortly after each other. "[[Happy Sonichu Day|Thank you for your support]]"... "[[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|Goddamn womanizing raping trollin' stupid pickle-suited n—!]]"]]

Chris is capable of doing some very bad things when provoked, which is a quite understandable (if not acceptable) response to trolling. However, "provocation" in this case doesn't necessarily mean harassment or trolling. Merely disagreeing with Chris or asking him why he does what he does can provoke an attack, up to and including threats of violence and death. When Chris is annoyed, frustrated, or overcome by desire or lust, he's capable of doing [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|''nasty'']] [[Death threats|things]]. Moreover, when Chris loses it, he doesn't think of the consequences of his actions at all, and his expressions of outrage are completely out of proportion to the provocation — often more outrageous in themselves than whatever the trolls did.

Chris [[Yu-Gi-Oh!|insulted little kids]] during card games and scared some of them away from visiting [[The GAMe PLACe]]. [[Mimms]] and [[Lucas]], who frequented The GAMe PLACe and knew Chris in real life years before he was discovered by the Internet, couldn't list any redeeming qualities he possessed.

Chris sexually harassed a [[Megan|woman]] in real life. Megan made it explicitly clear to him that his physical contact and comments to her were unacceptable, but he continued anyway, convinced that eventually she would learn to love being molested by a mentally ill man-child and become his [[Sweethearts|Sweetheart From The Ground-Up]].

After Megan yelled at Chris for uploading [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|a picture of him fingerbanging her]] to [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], he did not apologize,<ref name="Megan Saga">[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Chris-chan/Megan_Saga Megan Saga]</ref> but rather explained to her (in a terribly [[naïve]] way) how a handjob works, under the misguided assumption that she merely was upset because she didn't recognize the sex act being performed, or in the hope that she would rationalize what he did on this basis. He then had the nerve to say to her, "I am hurting SOOOOO MUCH MORE than you can be."<ref name="Megan Saga"/> Why? Not because of the picture, but because the trolls were being mean to him. Yes, [[Chris and his ego|''him'']]. Based on [[List of Chris's ED edits|his ED edits]], he was more concerned with people thinking he was fingering his [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|imaginary twin sister]] than he was with defending Megan's honor.

After each of his online relationships ends, Chris starts looking for a new [[sweetheart]] right away, ''even if she died''. No matter the setback, his ego keeps getting bigger.

In mid-July 2009, he addressed a person named [[The July 10th Messages|"SonichuIzCool"]] on YouTube. SonichuIzCool was (''is'') probably the only genuine fan of ''Sonichu'' discovered to date, someone who tried to defend Chris and his comic. She was also genuinely mentally retarded. In his YouTube message, Chris called her "naïve and [[slow in the mind]]." He told her she had to "come out where [he] can meet [her]." Another side of this incident is that his YouTube account had been recently hacked, and he had managed to recover it this time, thus avoiding all of the nasty evil damage the trolls ''might'' have caused. After he posted this video, though, he got his account suspended due to ''his own actions''.

In early November 2009, in his attempt to blackmail Clyde Cash, Chris went so far as to mock the terrorist attacks of the [[Twin Falling Towers|World Trade Center]] on 9/11. When feeling angry at Clyde Cash, he not only thought it would be a good idea to blackmail him, but used the ''destruction of two skyscrapers full of people after being hit by airliners full of jet fuel and human beings'' as a metaphor for how weak he thought Clyde was. When people got angry, he tried to fix things by turning the WTC towers into cake candles. To the best of anyone's knowledge, Chris was never coaxed or encouraged by an outside source to use the WTC images. He came up with this reprehensible idea all on his own.

[[Image:MikesWedding.jpg|thumb|right|Happily forever after.]]

In January 2010, a fan named Mike Jackson asked Chris for advice, whether he should [[Mailbag 31#If your kids are 16 or 17, you should watch porn with them|watch porn with his family]] and [[Mailbag 35#In which Chris advises a father to buy his son whores|buy a prostitute for his son]], Mike Junior, or not. Chris, being such an [[Dating Education|expert]], encouraged him to do so. In the end Mike Jr. ran away with the prostitute, and Mike asked Chris to make a [[YouTube]] video asking his son to come back home. Unfortunately, Chris is under a lot of [[stress]], and could not make the video. Mike Jr. is now married to the prostitute in Las Vegas, and his father died from a sleeping pill overdose. Chris didn't even give a damn about the obituary linked by Mike's wife, and responded to his son's grief and anger with three words: [[Chris and remorse|"I am sorry."]]

===Chris cares only for himself===
Chris spends [[monthly tugboat|your tax money]] on luxuries and steals from his parents to buy [[PSN|video games]] he'll never play. He has the basic skills necessary to hold down a job, so long as it didn't require him to do much interacting with other people, and programs exist specifically to find appropriate jobs for the mentally challenged, but Chris hasn't even tried since being fired from [[Wendy's]].

Further reinforcing his selfishness and laziness, Chris and his family strongly agree it's better for him to hole up in his room and get paid for doing absolutely nothing than to seek out the challenge of finding gainful employment in the real world. This is based on the (quite possibly untrue) assertion that Chris can earn more on disability than from a job. By taking advantage of the government through vastly exaggerated claims of an easily manageable illness which they refuse to help Chris treat, Chris's parents are assured a steady income in the form of his room-and-board payments, and don't have to worry about Chris getting in trouble with the law [[Chris and the Law|again]] when he has another breakdown in public.

===Chris is not a good net citizen===
{{quote|I will have NO DISCUSSIONS GOING ON BEHIND MY BACK ON MY OWN WEBSITE WHATSOEVER!|Chris, on reader participation via [[Twitter]].}}
Chris is more concerned with spreading his own version of [[Honest Content|honest truth]] than being a good net citizen. He has adopted the mentality that most spammers have adopted: who cares about things like terms of service and account suspensions and masses of pissed-off people as long as his message gets through? He won't participate in the communities of the sites he posts on. This is not mere ''passivity'' in those communities, which might still be tolerable; he ''deliberately opposes'' such participation. Most people, while not bothering to contribute to communities, would not at least make deliberate efforts to hinder the community. On [[deviantART]], [[YouTube]] and [[Flipnote Hatena]], he disables all comments, probably because he knew he'd not get any praise anyway — yet this ignores the fact that open commenting is part of the nature of these sites and disabling comments should be done only if it's being clearly used for flagrant abuses of the system, like spam and votebotting. He regards YouTube purely as a video publishing venue and not as a tool for engaging in discussion with his "fans". He created his [[Wikipedia]] user page purely to spread his own message, and did not come to Wikipedia to participate in building an encyclopedia. If the site owners block him, he just comes up with another account or a sockpuppet. The thought of apologizing, getting old accounts reinstated, or the possibility that people who block him might be trying to send him a message never cross his mind.

Chris's behavior on [[CWCipedia]] provides many more examples of his selfish attitude, such as the banner ad crisis in late 2009. He doesn't understand what it ''really'' means that the website is neither hosted nor paid for by him personally, and what sort of things the administration typically does on a website like his. He can't or won't understand simple principles like "webhost's house, webhost's rules," or "beggars can't be choosers," but instead believes that since the site has his name on it, it should be run according to his every demand.

===Chris will reject your advice===
[[Image:0231-MrsSanfordsWiseWords.jpg|thumb|right|What are you going to tell Chris that his [[Virginia Jeanine Sanford|favorite teacher]] didn't tell him 15 years ago?]]
Someone [[White knight emails|carefully explained to Chris why he is a sexist]]. In response, Chris got angry. He is only interested in a guide on how to attract women without first making any changes to himself. Most ridiculous: he denies being [[Obesity|overweight]].

Read [[Vivitheg's AIM chat|Vivian's AIM chat]]. Vivian actually used to be a counter-troll, and warned Chris several times that [[PandaHalo]] was a troll. Chris fell for PandaHalo anyway. She then tried to talk some damn sense on him over AIM. But Chris proved to be so goddamn stubborn, she actually tossed the towel and became a troll out of spite. In Vivitheg's words: "i've tried for 3 hours now; it's like fighting a wall, i can't beat the wall no matter how hard i try." Not only has she long since joined the troll ranks, but Chris even began [[Sign Destruction Video|berating and sending threats]] to his biggest white knight ever.

===Chris will reject your disclosure of the truth===
* [[Hanna]] was a real life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Lori Lopez]] was a real life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Blanca]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[PandaHalo]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite [[Vivitheg]]'s warnings.<ref>[[Vivian Gee E-mails]]</ref>
* [[Robert Simmons V]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[JK Productions]] was a troll pretending to be an entire videogame development company, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Sarah May]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Sarah Jackson]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Julie]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Ivy]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite warnings from the counter-troll that must not be named.
* [[Vanessa Hudgens]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Emily]] was a real life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Kacey]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it. She also married [[CChanSonichuCWC|the TRUE and HONEST Christian Weston Chandler]].
* [[Father Call|Matthew, Kacey's father]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Jackie]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it. [[February_2012|Twice.]]

See a pattern here? Do you really think he will believe any evidence you send him proving that every fan he has, and pretty much every person he has been in contact with over the past year, is a troll?

===Chris's normal life is often weirder than the trolling===
Chris won't take your advice, so he will fall for trolling. Trolls do weird things and Chris believes almost everything. But even if Chris had no white knights or trolls, his life would still be weird.

Chris's own accomplishments, without any external suggestion or assistance, are sometimes even more jaw-dropping than what the trolls think up. His [[Chris and the Law#Law troubles|previous brushes]] with [[Jerkops|authority figures]] and his [[Attraction Sign|bizarre]] [[Fridays After Five|behavior]] during his outside leisure time are good examples.

===Chris asks for it, and always recovers===
Hellbent on spreading his version of the truth because he's TRUE and HONEST, Chris cannot realize that his edit warring on Encyclopedia Dramatica was practically a squeal begging for more trolling.

[[wiktionary:TMI|TMI]] is a tactic Chris uses that usually leads to him abusing himself. Since Chris insists on revealing the most minute details of his life to everyone he meets, the trolls always get more information to fuel further acts of trolling. White knights cannot stop our hero from being Honest.

Chris doesn't get embarrassed either. Oh, his nudes and lewd acts are all over the internet? No big deal! [[Captain's Log, Stardate April 28th, 2009|All adults do that kind of thing]], so what's the problem?

Chris managed to fully recover from the depressing [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 21st, 2008|21 October 2008 video]] mentioned above (and quite quickly, too) and proceeded to fail even harder for months. Likewise, despite professing great emotional distress, he bounced back from [[CWC is Sad|the loss of Kacey]] in [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|a matter of hours]]. He even bounced back after being [[Mumble 9|verbally abused by a room of trolls]], one of whom told him to go kill himself. So what's the problem?

[[Image:Chriscash.jpg|thumb|right|180px|True, true.]]

===Chris made himself an outcast===
High school and college are the places and moments where people are given their first and often only chance to become a functioning part of society. They gave Chris an even greater chance because he's [[autistic]]. They lent him a friendly, caring hand and opened themselves to his friendship, males and females alike. And what did Chris do? He ''refused, by choice,'' to associate with anyone who wasn't female, young, rich, white, and within the Charlottesville area.

When [[Mary Lee Walsh|the dean]] gave him a chance to reform his behavior, he kept going with his bullshit, and was rightly kicked out of [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] for a full year. What did he learn from that? He learned that Mary Lee Walsh was an evil hag with a personal vendetta against him. He was given ''several'' chances to learn that his [[Attraction sign|loitering and soliciting]] were not appropriate behavior in a public place, and what did he learn? He learned that mall cops are [[Jerkops]], that [[Virginia is for Virgins]], and that his [[Love Quest]] was a matter of him against the world, with the world in the role of the villain. After he was kicked out of The GAMe PLACe (where he was again given more leeway than most people ever would have gotten, out of a sense of misguided pity), he was barred from the last place in Ruckersville that was still open to him, and left with only one place: his home.

Now, it's too late for Chris. He was given a friendly hand, but he angrily bit it, and that hand will never reach out to him again. He doesn't even belong in his own home anymore. He spends most of his time in exile in his fantasy land of [[CWCville]], the one and only place still open to him, and that place ''doesn't even exist''.

===[[Stress]]===
In order to get close to Chris, white knights have to spend at least as much time and effort as trolls to get up-to-date and to thwart the troll output. They'd probably have to lie and pretend to be a girl or video game designer to even capture his attention. This combined with Chris's usual responses is enough to make any sane non-professional psychologist [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 21st, 2008|crash into slumber]].

===Chris will not even read your message===
The spam filter is a powerful innovation of good ol' America Online. Any e-mails sent to his private address will be deleted, probably unread, and any e-mails sent to the [[Mailbag]], if they even get published, will be [[Mailbag 29|given one-word replies and ignored]].

===The trolling will not cease===
Even if white knights get to Chris somehow, there is no endgame in which Chris will be free from trolls before his death.

In school, Chris was trolled by his classmates. He was even trolled by one of his [[Joshua Martinez|real life friends]]. In college, he was trolled by friends who grew sick of his bullshit (e.g. [[Mimms]] and [[Lucas]]), and by [[Anna McLerran|girls]] [[Hannah|annoyed]] by his "attraction methods" and rampant, unabashed sexism. If Chris quit the Internet tomorrow, he would still be trolled by a society that refuses to tolerate ignorant man-children flouting its rules.

If everyone trying to create his next fake sweetheart suddenly got bored and quit, Chris would unwittingly seek out new trolls to take their place, and we know newfags are more than willing.

If Chris isn't assigned a custodian after his parents die, his story will probably end when he falls victim to some con artist who swindles him out of his [[monthly tugboat]] and perhaps his home. If Chris does get assigned a custodian, he will continue his antics until the custodian kicks him out or bans him from the Internet. If the custodian bans Chris from the Internet, that's Chris trolling himself.

If Chris gets institutionalized, he will attract real life trolls at the mental hospital. If Chris does not go into an institution and instead ends up in prison due to [[28 October 2011|circumstances that cannot be foreseen]], he will be trolled there as well.

If the entire world reforms and decides to leave Chris alone, his own sense of victimization will override any benefit. Consider that Chris felt persecuted simply by observing [[Jerks|males who had more success than himself]]. He regards legitimate assertions of authority as rank brutality. [[Adam Stackhouse]] managed to upset Chris to a degree that CWC observers rate among the most impressive to date, and he did it without even knowing that Chris existed at the time. Bleak as it is, unless Chris embarks on a program of radical self-improvement and/or learns some humility, and manages against the odds to shake off both his legions of abusers and seamy reputation, he will forever feel like a [[Kick the Autistic|thoroughly-kicked autistic]].

===The trolling helps Chris and, indeed, others===
If Chris were just some random nobody on the Internet, he'd be doing nothing but playing video games and occasionally drawing unsellable comics until his parents died. Then he'd be institutionalized. He'd remain without social skills, a virgin all his life, with no job, success or future.

Instead, Chris's antics have become a cultural phenomenon that — without exaggeration — is something extraordinary, unique, and which likely won't be replicated in any shape or form for years to come. Chris has secured his place among such luminaries as the Time Cube Guy and John Titor, and unlike the Time Cube Guy, you can actually comprehend what Chris is saying most of the time. Chris interacting with the world through his websites and YouTube has drawn in a crowd of people who are participating in an unprecedented, continual piece of performance art of a kind that would have been unheard of only a few years ago. He brings entertainment to thousands of people all over the world, an accomplishment that most could never dream of achieving — the kind of thing that would give Dane Cook a stiffy just to consider. His Internet fame is actually a sort of success in its own right, and may bring him further success. There are thousands of people out there that are so fascinated by him that they study his life on a daily basis.

One could argue that if Chris eventually "retired" from this comedy act by actually coming to terms with his problems, seeking professional help, and completely reforming (and selling media rights to his life's story to the highest bidder, like all sensible people would do), he could live the rest of his life secure and probably moderately wealthy. The troll audience would give him a standing ovation for entertaining them for as long as he did, and move on to the next piece of tragicomedy brought to us by the emerging Web technologies. We have seen far more messed-up celebrity stories already; Chris's tale is at least quite different from the norm and engaging.

What's more, the trolls provide him with an actual social outlet to learn and grow in life. Instead of being an unemployable, fat, virgin bedroom-dweller that nobody has ever heard of, he's an Internet-famous unemployable, fat, virgin bedroom dweller and this by itself increases his chances of getting friends and a girl. He may even end up employed, too, probably appearing in an advertisement or sponging off royalties from any biographical medium, whether it be a book, movie, or TV series. He could become the next William Hung if he put half an ounce of effort into it.

Also, Chris's constant failure at life has inspired [[Autism#Chris and other autistics|hundreds]] to self-improvement. Really, he's accomplishing a pretty good thing here.

===Chris treats "fans" and white knights like crap===
If you try to white knight him, his response is merely to block you on YouTube, AIM or any other messenger service and never respond. He accuses practically all white knights of being trolls. Quite ironic, isn't it? He screams "I'M STRAIGHT!" when you tell him up front that you're a guy. When you tell him his current "girlfriend" is actually a troll, he'll accuse you of wanting to "break up the relationship for the lulz." He'll be rude, won't listen and won't read between the lines. He will always bite the hand that feeds him, so you should just let him wallow in his own self loathing.

{{quote|Whatever.|Send Chris a 400-word, well-reasoned email — get a [[Mailbag 29#Whatever|1-word reply]] back.}}
{{quote|You can go f*** yourself.|[[Mailbag 43#Go Fuck Yourself, too!|A not-so reasonable reply]] to reasonable criticism.}}

Chris doesn't treat his (perceived) fans much better. Even aside from the SonichuIzCool incident mentioned above, Chris has severe problems answering questions from his fans (or trolls who pretend to be positive fans), and will often react in a hostile manner to everything he sees as negative or offensive. His [[Mailbag]] is the most obvious example. He hates being corrected, and tenaciously clings to his misinformed beliefs; his insistence that Asperger's Syndrome and autism are unrelated is a good example of this. When or if he's having a good day and manages to answer questions from fans at all, he often gives them very brief, one or two word answers that do not elaborate on anything, or outright ignore parts of the question. Not only is he terse, he's also slow to act; for example, it [[Brutal Legend Plus|took him three days to realize]] that a [[Brutal Legend|video he uploaded]] was seriously broken. He also promised that [[Sonichu Fan Promo|a spectacular fan creation]] would be officially featured in the ''Sonichu'' comic — and it ultimately was, ''over a year later''.

Most webcomics have a specific schedule that they have decided to follow. Many webcomics fail to live up to them – some less, some more; some for good reasons, some have no excuse whatsoever. Chris didn't have a set schedule for the comic for the longest time, but then agreed to update the comic on a daily basis, a schedule which even the most well-funded webcomic artists would consider particularly demanding. In February and March 2010, there have been few updates to the comic. When the inevitable complaints about schedule slip started to come, Chris snapped at his fans by saying that inspiration takes its time, forgetting that it was ''he'' who decided daily updates were the way to go. As the "Great Director Chandler", he could have the power to decide what schedule to follow, but instead, he chose to attack his fans.

===Chris' life would still be a disaster even if the trolls never bothered him===
As of 2012, Chris is a total human trainwreck, slowly losing the last of his sanity while he waits to get thrown in the slammer. While the systematic trolling of him throughout the last few years have something to do with his degrading mental state (especially his extreme paranoia and distrust for everyone except his his mom and pastor), the fact still remains that his life's horrible state is mainly caused by factors outside of the internet. He would still be a lonely outcast as his poor upbringing gave him such warped views of the world and lead him to engage in such bizarre behavior that he drove away every person he tried to connect with. He would still be living in unsanitary living conditions due to Barb's hoarding and the fact that his house has not been cleaned in the better part of a decade. He would still be banned from all of his favorite hangouts due to his loitering and hostile behavior to other patrons. Also, at the core of it all is how Chris decided that he would be better off living off government handouts while drawing unpublishable comic books in his room instead of getting a job and heading down a career path, which would have been his one-way ticket to escaping the cesspool that is [[14 Branchland Court]] and living a fulfilling life, not unlike that of [[Cole Smithey|his half brother]]. Instead, he decided to remain dependent on his elderly, emotionally disturbed parents; look at how well that worked out for him.

===Chris may never see the error of his ways===
One of the more [[Stress|frustrating]] elements of Chris is his inability to realize the error of his ways. Take for example [[Chris and remorse|Chris and remorse]], whenever he is thrown into a problematic situation as a result of his actions, he is almost never apologetic, and when he rarely is it's usually for [[Apology to Game & Hobby Place|self-gain]] or to obtain sympathy from those who dislike him or potential sweethearts. As bad as this is it's made even worse by the fact that after the scenario has ended, Chris will throw it out the window and continue with his bullshit until he is placed back into that spot again.

Another example is the [[Trolls|trolling]]. As stated above, Chris could have ignored the trolling and it may have gone away for good, but instead he chose to fight back and as a result, only fed the trolls and [[CWCFlyingElephants|made a complete tit of himself on camera]]. Now, years later, Chris is still fighting the meanies on the internet, not realizing that what he's doing is only making his existence harder to cope with.

The final example would be his [[Love Quest|love quest]]. Chris used his [[Attraction Sign|attraction sign]] for years on end, Sitting around expecting women to make the first move, obviously it didn't work and Chris has yet to realize this. Also, As a result of his humongous [[Chris and his Ego|ego]] and [[Barbara Chandler|pathetic upbringing]], Chris believes he is a woman magnet or capable of getting a girlfriend to say the least. In [[Chris and reality|reality]], however, all women are universally out of Chris's league, and if they were to somehow date him, they would need extremely, extremely low standards. If Chris really wants a sweetheart, then he must go through a phase of radical self-improvement, which would be quite long considering his large quantity of faults. Unfortunately, this is unlikely since Chris may never consider if what he is doing is working.

To conclude, Chris is oblivious to his errors and is under the false impression that he is perfect and has no faults that are in dire need of improvement. Don't try to bring any of them up because it would be the real life equivalent of yelling at a brick wall.

==Examples==
:''Read: [[White knight emails]]''

===White Knights on YouTube===

Among the most notable of Chris's white knights was a [[YouTube]] counter-troll who claimed to be a 21 year-old Russian model named Svenka. Via her YouTube account, [http://www.youtube.com/user/hottiee96 hottiee96], she released an inordinate number of screencaps from troll conversations on [[Sonichu IRC]], including private conversations between Chris and [[PandaHalo]]. Also, she released an image of the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] who would later steal Chris's first date, [[Emily]]. Were Chris less thick-skulled and even slightly willing to accept irrefutable evidence, Svenka may have made somewhat of a negative impact on the organized trolling effort against Chris, but ultimately she was ineffectual. Svenka also had a unhealthy obsession with the original curator of the [[CWCville Library]], Arjen Van Dierten.

On 6 [[May 2009]], YouTube user xThexPinchx/NorthxStar7/[http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePinchisDaBomb ThePinchisDaBomb] tried to blackmail major trolls, claiming to have information on them. He was easily called on his bluff by someone who had not trolled Chris at all.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/user/softerthanhardware YouTube]</ref> The Pinch has also threatened [[BlueSpike]] saying he has information from his friends but the thing is '''BLUESPIKE HAS NO FRIENDS'''.

====TV Tropes====
[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sonichu The TV Tropes article on ''Sonichu''] used to have a white knight message as the first text of the article, with a link back to this very page. The message is reproduced below:

{{quote|Hey Chris! If you're reading this: you seriously need to get help from licensed professionals, before the stuff you do [[28 October 2011|gets you thrown in prison]] or forcibly committed. And we're sorry, but you have no real fans - the people you think are your fans are really either trolls or laughing at you behind your back. Every. Last. One. Please listen to us - for once.|- Concerned tropers}}

Unfortunately, the editor in question and fails to realize that [[Chris and his ego|their message, while well intentioned, will do absolutely nothing]] and Chris will simply ignore it even if he does [[Mailbag 52|fully read and input it for better development. Thank you for your time.]] The message was later removed due to a shift in policy regarding the article.

==Conclusion==
As good as your intentions may be, there is no conceivable way any mortal human alive can reach Chris and change him for the better. Your efforts will unfortunately fail, and he will just brush you aside, seeing no difference between you and the trolls. Nothing short of divine intervention, revelation, or a horrifyingly close brush with death will change him. You would be best to leave him be and find something else to do with your time. All we can do is hope that one of the three aforementioned scenarios happen at some point, [[Chris and Religion|though the first two seem highly unlikely]].

==See Also==
*[[User:Champthom/Alogging|Alogging]]
*[[White knight emails]]

==Sources==
<references />

==External links==
* [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/White_knight White Knighting] article at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]].

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[[Category:Trolling]]

Kacey Call 4

2012-07-01T02:15:21Z

Neru: She really says everything and not everywhere.

28 [[August 2009]]

=Highlights=
'''KACEY:''' "In other cultures, you would not survive."

*Chris begins the call by asking [[Kacey]] if she has an STD.
*Kacey received a lot of awards during her high school graduation. Chris is jealous.
*Chris suggests talking about political issues even though he has nothing to say about political issues.
*Kacey asks Chris about things she found on the [[ED]] page.
*Chris totally doesn't drink [[cum]] anymore, he definitely doesn't shit himself anymore, and he certainly isn't gullible anymore.
*Chris lies and says the last time he shat himself was THREE YEARS AGO.
*Chris tries to explain why he has so many fucking [[video game]] accounts.
*Chris whines that he only gets 200 out of his 800 a month, and spends 150 on video games.
*Chris was going to call someone about getting a job, "but then stress happened."
*Chris used credit cards to buy thousands of video games, parents are paying the bills.
*Chris doesn't know why he got a [[CADD]] degree, "I feel more comfortable with drawing da [[comics]] than with da buildings and da computers."
*Chris is sending printed-out [[Sonichu]] comics to Marvel, DC and Dark Horse; thinks they will hire him because he's "very popular."
*[[Mary Lee Walsh]] caused all of his problems.
*Chris is capable of surviving, cooking and doing laundry.
*Chris can't look for a job on the internet because he "doesn't know what to put into a search term."
*Kacey says Sonichu is fanfiction. Chris says it's parody.
*Chris lies that he'll look for a job where he works 10 hours a week, Kacey wants him to work 20, eventually he says okay to shut her up.
*Kacey tells him not to wear his [[medallion]] to the [[job]] interview and not to draw on the applications; Chris sadly agrees that he won't.
*Chris thanks Kacey for yelling at him.

=Part 1=

==Video==

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| previous = [[Kacey Call 3]]
| next = [[#Part 2|Part 2]]
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==Transcript==

 '''Chris:''' Hello-o?
 '''Kacey:''' Hi! It's Kacey!
 '''Chris:''' Hey Kacey! How are you?
 '''Kacey:''' I'm good. Um, how are you? Um, are you doing better?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I'm feeling better, thank you. I was waiting for you to call me.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, you just said around 11 to 11:30, so I gave you a few extra, you know, minutes just in case.
 '''Chris:''' I see. Yeah, I know, that's cool. I appreciate that. But it's like, you know. Yeah, I mean- I mean no hurry, but I mean, like, you know. I was waiting for the pleasure of talking to you.
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, uh, thank you. [nervous laugh]
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, so uh, okay, let me go and get my main questions I had written down in my little notebook out of the way. Um...
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, you have questions? Yeah, go ahead and ask them.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah. Okay, this is an important one. You don't have any STDs, do you?
 '''Kacey:''' Chris, why would you ask me that?! Of course I don't!
 '''Chris:''' Okay, I'm sorry, I just-
 '''Kacey:''' [interrupts] I mean, you know I've only been with one person!
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, well, I mean, I just felt like I just had to ask anyway.
 '''Kacey:''' O...okay, that's just... WOW!
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, okay, I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't up... [unintelligible] that wasn't a very good opening topic, I know, I'm sorry. It's just the first one I had on my thing here.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, well I hope the rest of the questions aren't that bad!
 '''Chris:''' Uh, no, yeah well here, here, we'll do a 180 right here, um, yeah, let's, I think we talked about your education background a little bit, you, uh, you said you had honor roll grades back in high school?
 '''Kacey:''' Yes, I was 4.0 all the way.
 '''Chris:''' Well that's good. Yeah, you got your diploma and all. Um, okay, did you, uh, ever get any, uh, awards? Um, like, you know right before graduation?
 '''Kacey:''' Um, yeah, like, um, I actually had a couple poems published, and um, I actually graduated with way more credits than I needed so I got a merit certificate.
 '''Chris:''' [enthralled] You got a merit certificate?
 '''Kacey:''' Yes.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm. Tell me about that, what does that do for you?
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, it just goes with your diploma, it just shows that you did way more than you needed to do- so, I got that, and you know, and I did like over 200 hours of community service, so, I got... It's just, it's just something that you... it doesn't really do anything, I mean, awards in high school are nothing, I mean, they don't really help you ever in your life.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm. Yeah, but it's like, you know the achievement, it just makes you feel better, you know, I wish I would've gotten an award for my creativity back in high school.
 '''Kacey:''' I mean, I guess, but high school really doesn't do anything for you so it's not a big deal.
 '''Chris:''' Uh, it does a lot more than you, does a lot more than you think though, you know, I mean it, it's like, uh, it definitely readies you a little more for the adult life, that you're gonna be leaving high school FOR.
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah, but I mean nobody cares, they look at college all the time, college is way bigger of a deal.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, it is a big deal. I hear that.
 '''Kacey:''' Um, so, any other questions?
 '''Chris:''' Well, okay well yeah, we'll move onto the next one... hmm... yeah... Oh yeah, um, what's yo... uh, you drew, you drew your original Kacey in green ink, uh, it's that like, uh, gel ink?
 '''Kacey:''' Um, yeah, it is a gel pen actually, it's just one of the pens I use... for work.
 '''Chris:''' Oh, okay, you generally use a green ink pen, oh, that's... that's interesting.
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah, I like to use different colors.
 '''Chris:''' Hm. [pause] All colors of the rainbow, right?
 '''Kacey:''' [laughs] Yeah, definitely.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm, now there's my colorful gal.
 '''Kacey:''' [laughs] Well, Chris, remember, I'm just your friend.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I know, I'm just saying, you know, I'm just trying to be creati... be clever.
 '''Kacey:''' [laughs] Okay, well, um, keep going with questions.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, hmm, do you like Sudoku? Doin' those Sudoku puzzles in the paper?
 '''Kacey:''' No, I actually don't like Sudoku, I'm really big into logic puzzles but I've never gotten into Sudoku, I don't like it.
 '''Chris:''' Well that's too bad. It's more on logic though, I mean, you know, you basically just put one through nine in the one box, and then divide compared to the other boxes, the whole big nine box...
 '''Kacey:''' Right, I know what it is, I just don't like it.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm, yeah, okay, well generally...
 '''Kacey:''' [interrupts] I'm more of a science person than a math person.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm, 'kay well you know you don't need math. I mean, it's like, okay, similarly you could do like Sudoku with like, the letters A,B,C,D,E,F,G,H,I. You could do letters A through I.
 '''Kacey:''' I guess, but I mean, I just really don't like it, so if we could move on to the next question, that'd be awesome.
 '''Chris:''' Well, okay. What's your favorite board game?
 '''Kacey:''' Um, my favorite board game? Um, I haven't really played any in a long time, actually, so I mean...
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, out of all the board games you've played?
 '''Kacey:''' Um, well the last thing I played was Catan.
 '''Chris:''' Catan? [Kacey: "Yes."] I've never heard of that one.
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, you should look it up, you should Google it, it's a really awesome game.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, is that spelled with a K?
 '''Kacey:''' Um, no, it's C-A-T-A-N.
 '''Chris:''' Oh, KAY-tawn, okay.
 '''Kacey:''' Kuh-TAHN.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, alright... so my favorite board game yet... I got a little bit into Monopoly, but, I don't... yeah, I mean I can call it like my second favorite board game, um, [incoherent stammering] yeah, I guess, and plus, I mean, I have the original Sega Genesis cartridge, and you know, every once in a while I would play that, and I would beat the computer! [He seems proud of this.]
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, okay, cool... well, um, go ahead and keep going with the questions.
 '''Chris:''' Okay. Alright, well here's a fun one for you you might like. Did you have a favorite toy growing up?
 '''Kacey:''' A favorite toy? Um, yeah, my Easy-Bake Oven.
 '''Chris:''' Your Easy-Bake Oven?
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah, I loved that Easy-Bake Oven.
 '''Chris:''' Hah. Yeah, I can understand... I can understand that. Hah. Make the little small things with the little light bulb, it's fun. Uh, my favorite toy is this little uh Fisher Price Transformer, it was like, you know, my first Transformer, so it's like, uh it's a little red Indy racecar, that transforms into a robot, you actually gotta pop the guy's head in for the full transformation. [pause] So I was... yeah... yeah you'd have to see it to pretty much get it, but... I mean, if you look it up, look it up on the internet, I'm sure you can find pictures, yeah. It's a little- little red Indy racecar.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, Fisher Price... hmm... Oh and something else, I think, I feel like I can probably make you feel comfortable with, talkin' about, we can talk about some of your, uh, favorite pa- pa-litickal issues, or we can talk about your favorite episodes of House or The Office, and then uh, I'll just listen, and take it all in, and learn about you more as a friend, you know?
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, well, um, let's do polla... politic issues, why don't you start?
 '''Chris:''' Alright... heh... why don't I start. I mean, you know more about politics than I do... uh... [pause, then frustrated sigh] I'm trying anyway, I'm trying to come up with a good political topic in my head right now.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, if you can't, I mean do you have any other questions?
 '''Chris:''' I mean, I just thought, you know... Okay, what's the most recent political thing that's, uh, you know, on your mind, now, at this point?
 '''Kacey:''' Um, probably health care, cause, you know, that's what I'm going to be doing.
 '''Chris:''' Oh, that's right, you're, uh, you're... [stammers] you're working towards getting your nurse degree. Out there.
 '''Kacey:''' Yup.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, um, we talked about that a little bit before... hmm... Yeah, let's see if I remember... yeah, I think you kind of agreed with me, with I said like, yeah... not everyone can afford healthcare, it's like you know... assist... and then yeah. Oh, yeah, you were... [Kacey starts talking over him]
 '''Kacey:''' Actually, Chris, I think you agreed with ME, because you didn't even know about reformed healthcare, you just knew about socialist healthcare.
 '''Chris:''' Hm. Yeah, that's true, I did, I did agree with you. And then you kind of agreed with you know, when I was talking about- about my father and me going down to Tom Perriello's office, and then he brought that up... but yeah, I was like agreeing with him at the time as well, but- Yeah and then you, then when you talked, you kind of agreed with him a little bit too.
 '''Kacey:''' Right... well do you have any other questions? Cause there's something on my mind that I really need to- talk to you about.
 '''Chris:''' Oh! We could talk about that. What's up?
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, um, so you know all these trolls have been bothering me, right?
 '''Chris:''' Oh, yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' So I was talking to my aunt about it, she's a nurse too, and...

=Part 2=

==Video==

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| Stardate = 28 August 2009
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| previous = [[#Part 1|Part 1]]
| next = [[#Part 3|Part 3]]
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==Transcript==

 '''Kacey:''' ...you know she got really ''suspicious''. And, um, she Googled your name, and you know, some of the things that the trolls have been saying, I mean, I think they might be true, I mean what is, you know, it's disturbing, and it's making me really uneasy especially since, you know, you've said you- think about me to such a degree, and I mean, it's just like... I mean, I know you've talked about the ED site before, but I mean, is a lot of that true? Like, uh- why are you doing half those things in those videos? And, I thought you were anti-gay, and you're drinking your own cum?? It's gross! And it's just... it's bothering me!
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, okay yeah, that is a whole bunch of skeletons... that is a whole bunch of skeletons in my closet.
 '''Kacey:''' But I mean, why would you do that?! Do they make you do that?
 '''Chris:''' Uh, no... As for the uh... yeah... I pretty much volunteered myself to be doing that, cause it was like, you know, I considered it like recycling, so it's like, you know, I didn't have to lose it... and plus you know I read on the internet there was like health benefits [unintelligible]
 '''Kacey:''' Health benefits of what, of doing that?!
 '''Chris:''' Yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' There's- there's- no real health benefits, those are all myths, I mean it doesn't help your hair, it doesn't help your nails, there's not enough protein in it. I mean, is that the whole reason you did it?
 '''Chris:''' Anyway, anyway, I've stopped... anyway, I've stopped doing that months ago.
 '''Kacey:''' Well that's GOOD, but, I mean, there's no point in doing it. I mean... I... I... I mean especially not if you were so anti-gay. I mean, it's just, I mean most people would see that and go, "Wow, this guy must be at least bisexual!"
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] Yeah, okay yeah, I can definitely see it from your point of view and I understand. [sigh] Yeah, but I take it like... you know... I learn from my mistakes, and... yeah... I've grown to the understanding and whatnot. Um, anyway, mostly other stuff like you know the posts... and the videos, and me drawing, you know, drawin' on my dick, and pictures of that, yeah...
 '''Kacey:''' Okay well, [Chris interjects: "I was talking!"] Hey, no, no, let me go! Okay, another thing that really disturbed me is, apparently, you told these trolls that you, uh... That you shit yourself? I mean, what the hell, Chris?
 '''Chris:''' [in an odd falsetto] Ehh, I prettty much... yeah... I mean, I'm more in control of my bowel movements nowadays, and yeah, I... I do that less.
 '''Kacey:''' Well I mean... you're just... you're 27, I mean... Do you just not make it to the bathroom? [amused] ...Or, or what?
 '''Chris:''' Uh... Yeah, I just, I just don't make it to the bathroom quickly enough.
 '''Kacey:''' [incredulous] Wh... h-how do you not know? Your body... gives you... you know... it lets you KNOW that... something... it's like, I mean... Like when was the last time it happened if you're so in control?
 '''Chris:''' Okay, the last time it happened... yeah it was like three years ago.
 '''Kacey:''' Three years ago?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' Well it said that it happened recently, so are these lies?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah they're, yeah they, yeah I would say they are exaggerating those. If it happened recently those are lies.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, okay but- [Chris repeats 'the last time I' over and over] you've got to see that all this stuff is disturbing to me.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm. Yeah I can, I can, I can relate to that. I can understand how you feel. Yeah. I- I would be uneasy too if I was, if I wasn't myself and I was reading that, you know, about myself or... Yeah. Hm- oh yeah, most of the information they got on that ED page... [pause] It's like conned out of me, they conned out of me from pretending to be the past women I've talked to like Blanca... Weiss or uh...
 '''Kacey:''' Okay but you can't blame other people. I mean, those people aren't near you; you can't say that they made you give them those videos. I mean what- [Chris tries to interrupt] -were you thinking? I mean, this is why your parents are mad at you right now!
 '''Chris:''' Yeah plus I was more gullible back then. And I'm, [sheepish] I've been less gullible for the past few months. And now. [long silence] I've learned from my mistakes. I'm working on these things and I'm moving on from- I'm moving on and trying to put all that behind me. And plus, I've, I've got a responsible detective, uh, up in the FBI to take, to help, to help to towards the down-taking of the website and the downfall of the trolls.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, but still, Chris, I mean, Chris you need to understand this stuff is kind of disturbing, and I mean like, okay look, like- I mean, like stuff you ''do'' in real life. Like, if most people touched me as much as you did, I would've gone off with them, but I mean, I'm trying to be polite because I know you have difficulties, and I mean that you, like you say "slow-in-the-mind", but I mean, you've gotta understand you can't keep doing this shit.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I understand that... [pause] I understand that.
 '''Kacey:''' And besides, you keep saying that the cops don't care about things. I mean, you've really gotta let some of this stuff ''go''! I mean, I mean don't be slow-in-the-mind with that! I mean, if they don't care they're not- they're never gonna help you, and even just one lone detective isn't gonna be able to do anything!
 '''Chris:''' [long silence] Yeah... Yeah also I did go to Tom Periello a little about that and talk to him about that.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, I mean, what exactly is he gonna ''do''? [Talking over Chris] And I mean, I mean like, what about all your counselors at church? I mean, do they know all this? Do they know this stuff?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, they know, yeah they, more or less, uh, know about what's been going on in the ED page, yeah. I mean ne- I mean, the people- I mean, between my pastor Elizabeth and… my pastoral counselor [[Rocky Shoemaker|Rocky]], uh yeah, they're ashamed with the, the church and all that being… on the internet and being put on the ED page and being slandered around in that sense. [pause] And I mean, yeah, I've been relating with that as well, and... It's just one of the things I try not to think- that's just one of the bad pieces, that like you know. I mean, I'm not ignorant, I know about it, I understand it, I just can't- [Kacey interrupts]
 '''Kacey:''' But Chris, okay, there was a ''video'' of you humping a [[PlayStation 3]]! [laughing] What the ''hell''?
 '''Chris:''' [stammering] I was- I was blackmailed into that. By, uh…
 '''Kacey:''' But the- how were they blackmailing you? These people are on the internet! How are they blackmailing you? [Chris tries to interrupt] You- they- they're not going to do anything ''to'' you!
 '''Chris:''' Okay- okay, Kacey, yeah, this happened like a month ago but like… two months ago. About one- about over a… Yeah I'd say, yeah, closer to two months now. Uh, anyway yeah, this person [[Jack Thaddeus]] got hold of the majority of my [[PlayStation Network]] accounts, including my main- my main American one, my secondary American one, and my, and my import accounts, including my Japan, Hong Kong and Spain-
 '''Kacey:''' [interrupts] Wait wait wait, you were doing this over a PlayStation account? ''That's'' what all this was about?
 '''Chris:''' Not just one but the whole- but the, but the majority, a whole bunch of my accounts- [Kacey cuts him off]
 '''Kacey:''' It's [[List of Chris's games|'''video games''']]! It's- oh my gosh, you could've easily called them and they would've understood, I mean… It's video games, [Chris tries to interrupt] you were letting them get to you that bad over a video game?!
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, okay- [Kacey cuts him off again]
 '''Kacey:''' '''Chris'''! Think about what you're ''doing''!
 '''Chris:''': Yeah, okay, okay Kacey. Before that- before I made- before th- that video happened, let me give you the - let me start from the beginning here.
 '''Kacey:''' No, no! You're- you did this for a video game? It doesn't matter what they did. These are nameless people behind a computer screen. They're not gonna do anything ''to'' you! Uh-h You did this- you're giving them all this stuff over a video game! [pause] I mean, you need to grow up!
 '''Chris:''' [moaning] Kacey, I'm- I'm- I'm talking Kacey, please. Uh, let me start from the beginning- Okay, Jack Thaddeus got hold of my Playstation Network accounts, and uh, then I tried- then I called up- like, called the American Playstation company, and uh, got both of my American accounts back but I was put on a one-month ban because they considered it like, gamesharing, and that was my- my third strike against me on that. And they're like, you know, next time it might be permanent.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, then cut your losses. Is it really worth it? Is it worth having this on the internet for the rest of your life over an account on a ''PS3''?
 '''Chris:''' [moaning again] Yeah, there's a- [sighs] You know, your may contain[?] more about how the accounts are linked, like you know, the PlayStation titles and the titles that go to- that can be copied to the PSP-
 '''Kacey:''' It doesn't matter, it's a video game! You cut your losses and you tell them "Fine, take it!" Then, I mean, then- it's not worth it!
 '''Chris:''': I put better than two thousand dollars on my main American account-
 '''Kacey:''' Whoa, WHOA! You've spent two thousand dollars on video games!? Why would you EVER spend that much on video games? What did you get?!
 '''Chris:''' Plus, and plus this was over the course of like, two, three years.
 '''Kacey:''' [Talking over Chris] I haven't spent that much on video games in two to three years! [laughing]
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, ehh, I didn't have a girlfriend...
 '''Kacey:''' Even if it's two years, it's a thousand dollars a year! It doesn't matter if you have a girlfriend or not. That- that's insane! That's like those people who play Halo all the time. And they do nothing!
 '''Chris:''' [long pause before sigh] Anyway, getting back to- anyway, getting back to- getting back on track here. Yeah, I got my American accounts back. I had trouble tryin' to get back my Japan, and my Spain which those are important to me 'cause- [unintelligible]
 '''Kacey:''' Why would you- why would you even have that many accounts? Isn't an American account just good enough? And, okay-

=Part 3=

==Video==

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==Transcript==

 '''Chris:''' [splutters incoherently as Kacey continues to talk] I like getting- I- you- Kacey, I like getting imports. [stress sigh]
 '''Kacey:''' How would they be able to get all of them? Okay, but why would they be able to get all of them at ONCE? I mean, did you make them all the same password? I mean, all those- okay, you can't have that many accounts, that's like fraud and stuff!
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] Okay, well-
 '''Kacey:''' Just I mean- how did they- how did they get them?
 '''Chris:''' Okay, personally I had like, a multiple number of email addresses, and uh- multip- uh, different passwords for all of them. Uh, upon the reaching of that for Jack Thaddeus, I sh- I pretty much, uh- [[Kim]], a- Kim asked me to uh, share the- uh, for me to share the inf- share my Playstation information with her, 'cause she has a Playstation 3 and-
 '''Kacey:''' [Interrupts, furious] Are you blaming Kim?! [Chris tries to talk] Are you saying it's Kim's fault?
 '''Chris:''' No, no, I'm not- no, no, it's not Kim's fault, and she and I talked about this before. But anyway, she had to- I had told her the uh- the uh, information and the- the uh, the usernames and the passwords for the majority, and then she uh-
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, Chris, Chris? You know what, okay let's go back to something-
 '''Chris:''' Instead of my-
 '''Kacey:''' Hey, hey. Hey! HEY! CHRIS! [shouts over him to get his attention] Let's go back to something. You said you spent over $2000. Okay. You are on an income, which taxpayers like myself, pay. How much do you spend on video games a WEEK?
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] I'm not sure.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay. You can't even keep track of that. What gives you the right to take that money, and to spend $2000 of it on video games? Where- that- I mean, I can't even buy myself video games, so why should I pay for you to just spend your money on all this?
 '''Chris:''' Most of my income goes- goes towards my family. Uh, paying them a monthly rent of $250, they've gone twice [unintelligible] the bills...
 '''Kacey:''' [Talking over him] No, that doesn't matter! That doesn't matter! It doesn't matter what you pay like that.
 '''Chris:''' I pay- I, I only get like two- I only get like 200 out my 800 a MONTH.
 '''Kacey:''' Then WHY would you spend that much on games? That makes even LESS sense! I mean, okay, with these games that you spent so much money on, how much do you even PLAY them a week? How much do you even play them?
 '''Chris:''' [Long pause] On a near daily basis.
 '''Kacey:''' All of them? [Disbelieving] All 2000 dollars?
 '''Chris:''' [Pause] The majority of it, yes.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, I find that hard to believe. I mean, and even if you were, don't you think maybe, you should be- like, like you were talking about getting a job! Like, how are you gonna be able to do that, and playing all these games at once? You should be, uh, I mean, like have you even done anything MORE besides going to the Social Security office?
 '''Chris:''' [Pause, sigh] Yeah. I was gonna call Mr. Will yesterday and find out more about that working ticket, but unfortunately, uh, yeah- yeah, today is still Friday. I was gonna call him today, but then the [[stress]] happened yesterday, and I had to take the emotional day today. I just didn't feel up to making the call today, and-
 '''Kacey:''' Chris! Then how are you ever gonna work? How are you ever gonna work? You can't just have emotional days like that. I mean, you either work or you don't. I mean, you've gotta grow up a little!
 '''Chris:''' I n- I- I've been growing up! I've been growing up. It's just so mu- it's just a- a whole lot for me to think about.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, this is why your parents are mad at you! I can ''see'' why they're mad at you![Chris sighs deeply] I mean, do they even know you spent that much on video games? And that you just like- I- I- I'd- oh my gosh! [Chris sighs] I mean, I don't- I didn't want to go in to work today, and I went in! I didn't want to go to school today, and I went! And I mean, and I've been having problems with sinuses, and- I mean- come on!
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] I, I mean- I mean, if I did have a job, and all that, uh, so many complications. I, uh, when I got my Social Security at first- I was, at first I, you know, like, I think it was about-
 '''Kacey:''' [talks over him] Chris, Chris, if you-
 '''Chris:''' [keeps talking] Two thousand two or three-
 '''Kacey:''' -really only get 200 dollars a month, how did you GET all that money for those video games? Did you steal it?
 '''Chris:''' I get 800- for your information, no. For your information, I get 800 dollars a month.
 '''Kacey:''' No, but you said you only get- you just said you only get 200 out of it 'cause your parents TAKE the rest. I mean, so, how did you- I mean, that would have taken you a long time, and, and that's if you've never spent any other money on anything but video games. Where did you get that money?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, well, I-
 '''Kacey:''' Be honest.
 '''Chris:''' It, it, it did come out of the, uh, remaining 200. I spend like 100, 150 out of that per month.
 '''Kacey:''' There's no way you could have mathematically have done that and only spent your 200 on video games. Where did you get the rest of that money, and please be honest with me.
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] Uh, between credit car- between credit cards and- [Unintelligible, says something about his mother]
 '''Kacey:''' You have credit cards? Are they yours? [Gasps] You took your parents' credit cards for video games?
 '''Chris:''' No, no, not my parents', they were my own credit cards. I actually applied for those. They had my name on 'em.
 '''Kacey:''' Why would you ''do'' that? [Long pause] You- you don't have a-
 '''Chris:''' I'm a gamer!
 '''Kacey:''' No, that doesn't matter, but you need to be smart about it! You don't have a job! I mean, you've gotta be in so much debt!
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] Yeah well, you know, but-
 '''Kacey:''' Chris, how are you gonna get this family you want if you have all this debt? I mean, and how do you pay off the credit cards?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, fortunately my- my father and my mother have decided to help me out there. They're paying my credit card bills and I'm paying them back.
 '''Kacey:''' And you think they're gonna be there forever? You think they're always going to clean up after your mistakes?
 '''Chris:''' No, no, I know they're not gonna clean up after my mistakes forever. And I- I'm not gonna make those mistakes again.
 '''Kacey:''' I don't know, Chris. This has given me a lot to think about.
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] Well, if you want to talk-
 '''Kacey:''' Maybe if you just would've not tried to be so serious, like I asked, I mean just, you know, ba- but, I, you know, I had to get- I- this whole thing is just so suspicious.
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] Eh- wait a minute, this whole thing?
 '''Kacey:''' Just everything! Everything that I- that I've been getting! In these emails! [Chris tries to talk] Everything my aunt found! [Chris sighs] Come on, don't act like you don't know what we're talking about. [Chris begins talking over her] You know that the trolls have been trolling me.
 '''Chris:''' I d- I do. I, I, I know, but- I know what we're talking about. I'm just processing it and remembering in my ''head''.
 '''Kacey:''' I know but I mean, you said you had a degree, right? So um, why aren't you doing anything with it? Like, when I get mine, I mean, I'm getting my PhD. I'm gonna be getting over $100,000 a year. What're YOU gonna be able to do? You've gotta THINK about that.
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] Look, my father tol- my father enc- encouraged me to get the- to go to a- computer drafting and design degree, he encouraged me to go to college in the first place!
 '''Kacey:''' Then why aren't you using it?
 '''Chris:''' I mean- because I don't know! I don't know how. I, I mean- I don't- I, I, I, I...
 '''Kacey:''' You apply for a job that says you need this degree!
 '''Chris:''' I know I have the compu- a drafting and design degree and certificate, I've been taught that- I'd have to build buildings and whatever on the computer, about that- that-
 '''Kacey:''' So why don't you do that instead of making a resume that has Sonichu and Rosechu on it? I know they're in a very important part of your life, but you could actually go do something.
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] Because, I just, uh- I just feel more comfortable with drawing the comics and the cartoons, than I do with the, uh- with just the, uh- with just the buildings and the computers and whatnot.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, well you know what? Well I feel a lot better drawing and doing, you know, singing and stuff than I do waitressing, but you know what? I have to be a productive member of society, and I have to go out and do my job every freaking day whether I rather be home talking to my friends, or going shopping, or doing whatever.
 '''Chris:''' [After a long pause] I see.
 '''Kacey:''' I mean, my aunt has done factual independent research, and found out a lot of these things are true that she found out. On her own. [Chris sighs] I mean, you can't-
 '''Chris:''' [Trying to interrupt] I keep feeling-
 '''Kacey:''' -always blame everything with the trolls and ED.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, yeah, I'll admit that, you know, some of the things in the ED are true, but you know, they just take it and they-
 '''Kacey:''' [Talking over Chris] Yes, I know that, I just told you they were!
 '''Chris:''' -but they warp it around! They sla- they make it worse. They're rewording it.
 '''Kacey:''' But Chris, she has been able to verify this information in other places. I just said that it wasn't all ED.
 '''Chris:''' [Sigh] I... [unintelligible]
 '''Kacey:''' You need to start taking responsibility! I mean, I don't think anyone I know wants to stay in their job the whole time but I mean, I mean don't you wanna be a productive member of society? Don't you want- don't you want to go through your own potential? Maybe Sonichu and Rosechu isn't doing it right now, maybe you need to get your foot in the door first.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I'm working on getting my foot in the door. I'm gonna buy a new co- I'm gonna buy new a printer/scanner/copier next week, I'm gonna print out-
 '''Kacey:''' For what? How is that gonna help you with your- with your CADD degree? How is that gonna help you utilize something that you went to school for?
 '''Chris:''' I'm going to print out copies of my number zero book and then some, to send to Marvel, Dark Horse, and Archie comics with my resume, so then Sonichu and Rosechu books could be actually made to get me paper-published, and the merchandise to follow, the video games and all that, so that I could get a (good job) (?) - [Kacey interrupts]
 '''Kacey:''' What if that doesn't work? What's your safety net? What if that doesn't work? [Pause, Chris sighs] Chris, loo- look at Sonichu. It- it's not bad, but what if they don't like it? I mean, it's nothing like, you know, like any other comic books I've seen, and I mean, you- you hijack your own- your own comic and make it about ''you''.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, that's true. But still, I mean, at least I have a worldwide fanbase, I'm very popular! I mean, that's even more than enough for any comic book company to uh, want to- want to accept me, and uh, let me work for them.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, even if you have a fanbase, you know, they have- they, they don't go- they just aren't gonna-

=Part 4=

==Video==

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| previous = [[#Part 3|Part 3]]
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==Transcript==

 '''Kacey:''' ["hire you"] -off of your fanbase. I mean, especially if you don't have factual proof of how many there are. They're going to show it to, um, groups that they have that do this for a ''living'', and what happens if they don't like it? I mean, you need a backup plan. I can't believe you have a degree that's just sitting around gathering dust. You went to college! I mean, if I went to college, and just let my degree just sit there, and never got certified, or licensed... I mean what's the whole point? You- you've gotta do something with it.
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] Yeah, maybe-
 '''Kacey:''' Don't you think that would make your parents proud?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, my- I would like to make my parents proud. There's so many things in my life I'd like to do. As a matter of fact, you know, during the whole time, even- even while earning my degree, I never actually ''had''- a job game plan- during that, during that time, and even after I got my degree, I just did not know where to go. Just like I, just like the uh- [Kacey interrupts]
 '''Kacey:''' They have career centers at every college for that! [Chris tries to talk, Kacey continues] But then, no, which- you can't even contact now, because you freaking, uh, you got yourself an order where you can't even go there! I mean, they have counselors to help, and you screwed that over, over- this stupid stuff! H- how- how- why?!
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] [[Mary Lee Walsh]] got me very mad. She interrupted my early days of my [[sweetheart search]].
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, and now it's back to Mary Lee Walsh, it's not you, right?
 '''Chris:''' Well, I- you mean- you know- but the yeah, you know, that was the- [stammers]
 '''Kacey:''' I thought you forgave her!
 '''Chris:''' I- I mean- I did forgive her, but still, that's what caused that portion of the thing. I'm just - going back to that for the one time just to reference. Just to reference.
 '''Kacey:''' Look, just because she didn't like how you were trying to get a girlfriend, does not equal you not being able to go on with your life.
 '''Chris:''' [long pause, sigh]
 '''Kacey:''' There are- there- I mean, okay, you, also, like let's - okay, you are on disability. The government has SO much for you. You could go to another college, and they would pay for most of it. They would - you know - they could help you so much, you just need to reach out! I mean, the only thing I'm looking at is that you're saying that- I mean, I just don't know. I mean, especially with you wanting to be a househusband, I mean is just- having sex and a girlfriend more important than having a job, than being a MAN? [Christian sighs] In other cultures, you would not survive.
 '''Chris:''' I- I have the capabilities to survive. I have the capabilities-
 '''Kacey:''' [interjects] Then do it!
 '''Chris:''' -of cooking, I- I'm capable of being able to uh, do laundry, and, uh, and [[chores|all of that]].
 '''Kacey:''' No! That's not what I'm talking about. You have a degree. You need to use it.
 '''Chris:''' [LONG pause] I don't even know of any places around ''Charlottesville'' that are hiring for that sort of thing!
 '''Kacey:''' Why don't you look on them? Go on the internet?
 '''Chris:''' Even if- even though- even though my- even though Susan Hannifan at Piedmont, ehh, says that there are jobs like that around-
 '''Kacey:''' CHRIS.
 '''Chris:''' -Charlottesville, possibly available-
 '''Kacey:''' Chris. You have a-
 '''Chris:''' -even if I graduate-
 '''Kacey:''' You have a CADD degree! You can do work from home! I mean, what happens if you found a great job and it wasn't in Charlottesville? Would it really be that bad if you had to move out of your parents' house?
 '''Chris:''' [pause, pitiful sigh] I grew up in this house! It's like, you know, it's-
 '''Kacey:''' You're 27, you have to leave sometime! Are you waiting for your parents to [[Death#Robert_Franklin_Chandler_Jr._.281927-2011.29|DIE]] or something?
 '''Chris:''' No.
 '''Kacey:''' Then what, you're just going to live there your whole life?
 '''Chris:''' [stammering] I- I just don't know - it's just for awhile, I mean, I have been feeling uncomfortable. And I just- have not found- I just don't- I- [voice climbs into a falsetto] so many things I need to GATHER in my head out of the whole lifetime, I just-
 '''Kacey:''' Okay- Chris. CHRIS.
 '''Chris:''' -and somebody needs to ''understand''.
 '''Kacey:''' Chris. Chris. You want me to be interested in you. But you're telling me right now that you want to live in your parents' house for the rest of your life? W- what?! And you think I'm gonna GO for that?
 '''Chris:''' No, I did not say that, I mean, I mean like, you know, if things got that, got that far, I mean, I would be happy to move in with YOU, if that was the case. But I- I'm just- [sigh]
 '''Kacey:''' But you can't do something for yourself?
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] Yeah I just... Uh, so many things tied up with this one house, it- (?) [Kacey talks over him]
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, let's say that you did move in with me, what are you gonna do? Are you just gonna sit around and draw Sonichu and Rosechu, or are you gonna actually go out and do something?
 '''Chris:''' I would actually go out and do something.
 '''Kacey:''' W- why can't you do that first? Why can't you prove to me that first? [Chris sighs] I mean, what are you gonna do?
 '''Chris:''' [pause, sigh] Well... [sigh] I would go out, see if, see if I could find somebody who would hire me?
 '''Kacey:''' Well... I mean, I don't know why you don't just do that right now. I mean, we have the internet, that's so easy. What would- would- would you do?
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] Well, even when it comes to the internet, I don't know what to put into the search term. That just- that- [trails off unintelligibly]
 '''Kacey:''' Put in CADD! Put in your degree! [laughs] It's not that hard! Any... simpleton can figure it out!
 '''Chris:''' ...and then there are more details to where I just, couldn't, I- I just don't comprehend yet. [sigh]
 '''Kacey:''' But Chris, seriously. Y- you need to take this seriously. This is ridiculous.
 '''Chris:''' Y- Yes, it is ridiculous.
 '''Kacey:''' I mean, maybe- I... I don't know what to say. I really don't. You're just giving me excuses why you don't need to productive. I mean, are you just gonna... you're just gonna sit around? I mean, you don't even know what kind of job you can get with a CADD degree, do you.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, that is one- that is one problem, yes.
 '''Kacey:''' Well I mean, it's- it's simple, you even said something like, buildings and stuff... I mean, come on! Why don't- why don't you research this? You could go to Wikipedia, for God's sakes, and find out what you can do with a CADD degree. [short pause] You just want to sit around and collect your [[tugboat]] for the rest of your life, don't you.
 '''Chris:''' No, I don't want to just sit around, and collect my tugboat... [trails off]
 '''Kacey:''' Then why haven't you done anything? It's been years since you've been in school.
 '''Chris:''' ...I, I'm sorry, what was that?
 '''Kacey:''' It's been years since you've been in school.
 '''Chris:''' Oh yeah, I have been-
 '''Kacey:''' Why haven't- why haven't you done anything yet? I mean, most people take a gap year, but that's... a... YEAR. ONE YEAR. Not... forever!
 '''Chris:''' [long pause] Yeah, you're right. [another pause] I've just- I've been feeling ''wayward''.
 '''Kacey:''' [pause] ...Wayward?
 '''Chris:''' [mumbles] Yeah... lost. I didn't know what to DO.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, you're gonna stay lost until you actually DO something! Or, you know what, try to go to a school that you're NOT banned from, and get a degree in something you really WANT to do. Why aren't you going into art or something?
 '''Chris:''' [long sigh]I didn't think of that when I first applied for a degree- (?)
 '''Kacey:''' [interrupting] Why don't you do something now? I mean, I'm only one year younger than you, and I'm going to school now. I changed my major, it's not hard. And, you CAN get help. It's a lot harder for me.
 '''Chris:''' ...Yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' Some people have multiple degrees. I mean, look at me. I'm double-majoring AND minoring.
 '''Chris:''' ...Huh. ...Yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' But, you're not going to do anything. Just, something tells me you're just not.
 '''Chris:''' I'm going to do something! I just... I'm just... processing all this in my head, so then I can figure out, what to do. I mean, my current plan, is to, try to get myself published at Marvel, DC, or Dark Horse, or even-
 '''Kacey:''' You need to- just- Yeah, but you need a backup plan. Forget about that. Forget about that. You need to start by getting a job somewhere. I mean, okay. Okay, also, do you know why? Do it for Rosechu and Sonichu. 'Cause seriously- like, are they going to take you seriously when they see you've been out of work for a long time? Even starving artists do something. I mean, seriously, be a Fraggle (??) do SOMETHING. Most people in comics have an art degree anyway. [pause, Christian sighs] And besides, I mean, how far are you really going to GO? When you- made a character out of two copyrighted characters. And, your comics are FULL of things that are copyrighted. I mean, I know they're like private jokes and everything-
 '''Chris:''' [interrupts huffily] It's called- it's called a [[parody]].
 '''Kacey:''' It doesn't ''seem'' like a parody. [Christian sighs again.] A parody generally makes fun of things. Are you making fun of Sonic?
 '''Chris:''' No. ...I just, I'm just... I'm, I'm just accentuating on some of the things that I like!
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, but then, that's- that's a ''fan'' comic! That's not a comic, that is fan FICTION. [Chris sighs again] That's like Mary Sue shit!
 '''Chris:''' [uncomprehending] ...What?
 '''Kacey:''' You can't sell it! It's just fan fiction!
 '''Chris:''' [long pause, sigh, pause] ...I don't know. But anyway, I'm gonna try, anyway, anyway, uh, Plan A, I'm gonna try for, to get myself paper-published and, uh, all that. But yeah, Plan B I'll- I'll definitely take everything that we talked about into consideration. I, I'll Google Computer Aided Drafting and Design and see what I can get with that degree. Or even, I- because, you know, my family could not, because you know, we can't- my family could not afford to, uh, at this time, to even get me classes, even at University of Virginia, which is more expensive than ''Piedmont''.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, but you need permission from the original copyright holders to sell this! Like, you try to sell Sonichu and Rosechu, and Nintendo, and Sega and Konami are gonna be on your ass!
 '''Chris:''' [pause, sigh] I tried to get Nintendo to...
 '''Kacey:''' I mean, didn't you think about that? You think they're not gonna see that?
 '''Chris:''' I thought- I thought about that, and I tried to- [unintelligible]
 '''Kacey:''' [interjecting] Chris. CHRIS. These people have lawyers, and their job is to just go ''everything'' on the internet to find something they can sue over. I'm sur-

=Part 5=

==Video==

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| previous = [[#Part 4|Part 4]]
| next = [[Kacey Call 5]]
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==Transcript==

 '''Kacey:''' -prised that they didn't FIND it already. ...And if they didn't find it already, how famous can Sonichu really be? 'Cause this is their job. Their JOB is to cause lawsuits.
 '''Chris:''' [long pause] Well they- they- if that was their job, they would have sued me ''years'' ago.
 '''Kacey:''' Then I guess, maybe, Sonichu isn't as big as you thought. I'm not trying to be mean, here. This is [[White Knights|tough love]], Chris. I mean... you've gotta do something. It's reality.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah. [pause] I know, I have to do something. ...I want to do something.
 '''Kacey:''' So, okay, then what are you gonna do? What are you gonna do tomorrow? What are you gonna do tomorrow then.
 '''Chris:''' I'll Google [computer jobs (?)] and- I'll Google CADD, and Charlottesville, and see what jobs are available around here. I- I- I'll leave a message for Mr. Will, and see if I can get a work ticket, on my, on my, degree. On my- [Kacey cuts him off]
 '''Kacey:''' Do you know what I want you to do tomorrow? Do you know what I want you to do? [Chris says something unintelligible] I want you to go out, and put out an application or two. Can you do that? Apply for Target, apply for McDonald's, do something. I want to know, and I want proof, that you are applying for something.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah... I'll, I'll go apply for- I'll go apply, I'll go, I'll go out and apply for, look for some jobs, yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' You'd better. I mean, even WalMart will hire anyone. Do WalMart.
 '''Chris:''' ...All right. I'll go for WalMart. [pause] But it- and also, you know, I still don't understand, how many, what my maximum hours a week are I can work for and keep my social security, because I know, that makes- I know I'm getting more a month than I could at any job like WalMart.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, well... [pause] You better apply for something, or else I just don't know what I'm gonna do. I- I'm definitely gonna... think on this. I mean, and it doesn't matter- if you don't go over certain hours, they'll do you part-time, and then it won't hurt yer tugboat. And you know what, even if you made less- couldn't- couldn't just the pride of knowing you accomplished something be enough? That's the kind of guy that girls want. Not someone who goes, "Oh, I could get more just sitting around doing nothing." And you could get benefits. I mean, come on, isn't that- isn't that worth it?
 '''Chris:''' ...Yeah. It is worth it. It, and it takes, it just took somebody- it took, it took somebody like you to, uh, make me realize, about the poten- about the, all that, and that's what- that's what I should be doing.
 '''Kacey:''' I mean, there's tons of disabled people who work. I mean, you like Goodwill a lot, they help out people, and I'm sure they still get their quote-unquote "tugboats." And they're productive.
 '''Chris:''' [pause, sigh] Yeah. I'll go out- I'll go, I'll go, fill out some applications tomorrow, and, uh, like at WalMart and Target, and see if they'll, see if they'll hire me, you know. Even the, even the work, like, a maximum of like, ten hours a week. That's- I mean, I don't know if it's ten or fifteen hours maximum for, you know, not- yeh- I mean, I'll try for ten hours at first.
 '''Kacey:''' ...Okay.
 '''Chris:''' All right.
 '''Kacey:''' But I mean, if you can, if you can get up to twenty hours without hurting your tugboat, I want you to do the full twenty. I want you to really go gung-ho on this.
 '''Chris:''' If I can get- if I can get the full twenty I can go, I'll do that. But I'll, I'll start small with ten.
 '''Kacey:''' No. You need to ask for at least twenty. That's still part-time.
 '''Chris:''' Hmmm. ...Yeah. All right. Well I mean, you know, when I apply with other people, I'll ask, I'll try to go, try to shoot for, like, ten. Just as a- just as a- like-
 '''Kacey:''' No, you put- you put ten to twenty then. At least put ten to twenty. But I want you to do twenty. You can't even just do that for me. That's like, nothing. That's like- even if you work four days a week, that's five hours.
 '''Chris:''' I- I- I'll- I'll do it. I'll- I'll put in ten to twenty hours. And I'll still have, still have to talk to my social security people about uh, this as well.
 '''Kacey:''' I'm pretty sure you can get anywhere, you know, up to twenty hours. You can probably get that online.
 '''Chris:''' All right, I'll- I'll look into it online, and I'll, uh, on the application I'll put ten to twenty hours. On the application.
 '''Kacey:''' You'd better dress nice too, are you gonna dress nice for this? I mean, just in case?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I- I- I'll dress nice. I'll dress nice for the interview, yes. I can do that.
 '''Kacey:''' Don't- don't wear your [[Medallion of Fail|medallion]].
 '''Chris:''' [softly, defeated] Okay, I'm not gonna wear my medallion.
 '''Kacey:''' I know that's a part of you, but that, that's not gonna be allowed. Like, I can't even wear necklaces, and I'm a girl.
 '''Chris:''' ...Hm.
 '''Kacey:''' That's like- that's like having piercings going to an interview, it's stupid.
 '''Chris:''' ...Yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' And don't- don't draw on the applications!
 '''Chris:''' I will not draw on the applications.
 [long pause]
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, I- I just hope this is really sinking in. Because, I- I have a feeling you're not into this.
 '''Chris:''' It is- it is sinking in. I'm really going to do it.
 '''Kacey:''' Besides, you should put twenty hours a week, because that's just the maximum. They're probably not going to give you that anyway, you'll probably end up with ten, but put twenty.
 '''Chris:''' I will put twenty. On the application.
 '''Kacey:''' Good, because it's gonna make you look a lot more serious, too.
 '''Chris:''' ...Yeah, I do need to be more serious. On that.
[pause] I'm going to do it.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay.
 '''Chris:''' I'm going to- I want to-
 '''Kacey:''' I hope so.
 '''Chris:''' I'm going to look for a job at uh, WalMart, and Target, and fill out applications... and I'm gonna work a maximum of twenty hours. I'm going to do this.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, good. That's good.
 '''Chris:''' ...Kacey?
 '''Kacey:''' Yes?
 '''Chris:''' Thank you.
 '''Kacey:''' You're welcome.
 '''Chris:''' I want you to know that- if you, you know, even though it's tough love, it's all sinking in. It really is. I'm gonna- I'm gonna do it.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay. I hope you do.
 '''Chris:''' And I hope you know, I appreciate you giving me- I appreciate you giving me the... tough love that I needed.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay. ...Well, um, I've gotta go now, so. I hope this all sinks in, but I've really gotta go.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, I'll talk to you later.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, all right. [hangs up]

=External links=
*[http://www.mediafire.com/?gnxpnop8l3ldp15 mp3 of phonecall]

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Kacey Call 18

2012-06-30T21:58:39Z

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==Highlights==

*[[Kacey]] prepared a list of questions for [[Chris]] for an essay she's writing.
*Chris states basic things like where he lives, his age, birthday, relatives, height etc.
*Chris struggles to remember the most basic facts about his family members including hair color, height and age.
*Above Chris's "left breast", he has a scar from a bike accident.
*Kacey tells Chris to go to the doctor.
*Chris thinks that [[Gregg Mays]] is [[Clyde Cash]], who died and came back from the dead under a new name. But really Gregg Mays killed Clyde and is pretending to by Clyde.
*Chris doesn't believe that [[Ryan Cash]] killed himself.
*Chris says the real reason that Clyde Cash [[trolls]] him is because Clyde is a [[homosexual]].
*Clyde tried to make Chris make a video of [[Sonic]] and Tails toys going on a homosexual date.
*The idea that Clyde is straight makes Chris [[stress sigh]].
*Chris claims that his passwords are complicated so Clyde must be a good hacker.
*Chris says that his last password was: "J04nE1de4R08i2on", which is an [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Elder_Robison author's name] (incidentally, one with [[Asperger syndrome|aspergers]]). Kacey says this is leet speak, and Chris says that he's never heard that term before.
*Chris talked to Clyde earlier in the day. Clyde claimed that he tampered with Chris's [[PS3]].
*Chris turns his PS3 off and unplugs it when he is not using it, so Clyde can't hack into it to get his password.
*Kacey says that Chris should just break his PS3 so Clyde will stop bothering him. Chris claims that he can't break his PS3 because he has a PSP and that would break his [[PSP]] too.
*Chris says that video games are not the most important thing in his life, as finding a sweetheart in real life is.
*Chris has an interview next week at [[Target]].
*Chris says that he has tricked Clyde into not hacking him anymore by telling him that he doesn't care about his PS3 anymore; Kacey suggests making a video of pretending to give away his PS3 or throwing it in the trash. This idea makes Chris stress sigh.
*"When I say I am going to think about it, it means I am going to do it" -Chris, regarding stress sighing and saying he's working on it.
*Clyde told Chris to unscrew the system and to take out a battery so he can't be hacked anymore.
*[[Kim]]'s boyfriend Logan told Chris that this is a safe thing to do.
*Kacey eventually gets Chris to say he will open his PS3 and remove the battery.
*Chris made an appointment with the doctor to talk about heart pains.

==Transcript==
==Part 1==
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| Stardate = ???
| Featuring = [[Chris]]; [[Kacey]]
| Saga = {{Liquid}} Liquid Saga
| previous = [[Kacey Call 17]]
| next = [[#Part 2|Part 2]]
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[Recording Begins]
 '''Chris:''' Hello?
 '''Kacey:''' Hey it's Kacey, how are you?
 '''Chris:''' Hi Kacey, I'm okay, how are you?
 '''Kacey:''' I'm okay, just, you know, a little tired.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, a little tired from the day
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah
 '''Chris:''' Yeah. [laughs] we both said yeah at the same time.
 '''Kacey:''' Mmhmm
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, anyway I got you survey printed out. I can answer your questions for you now if you want me to. Or would you rather I send that back to you in text over the emails.
 '''Kacey:''' You can do both, it doesn't matter. If you want to do that I can get them.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah plus you can write down the answers as I tell them to you right now, right?
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah go ahead
 '''Chris:''' Okay, alright well I'm 27 years old
 '''Kacey:''' Okay [sound of typing]
 '''Chris:''' I was born on February 24th, 1992
 '''Kacey:''' You said 1992, you mean 82 right?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, 1982
 '''Kacey:''' [pause] okay
 '''Chris:''' Alright, and I live in the United States and my state area prefecture of birth would be Charlottesville, Virginia
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, [typing] so you've been there all your life.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah I've been in Virginia all my life. Ah so-
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah that's all I need, that's fine.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, okay I have two half brothers and one half-sister.
 '''Kacey:''' [typing] Their ages?
 '''Chris:''' Last time I checked, I think my half-brother is Allan is like 42
 '''Kacey:''' Mmhmm
 '''Chris:''' I think Cole- I think my half-brother Cole is like, uh, I don't know, 38 or 40, and I think Carol is like 37 I'm just guessing off the top of my head.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay that's fine [computer tone]
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, and uh let's see, you know, my father's 82 so take away 27 from his age, um, 62… He was like 55 and my mother will be 58 this year so, let's see, take away 20… um… Yeah take away 20… 48, and she was 41, so 55 and 41 respectively for my father and mother.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay
 '''Chris:''' Yeah and I'm currently 5'10”.
 '''Kacey:''' Mmhmm
 '''Chris:''' Mmmm, I'm not sure if I'm the shortest or the tallest. I think Cole and Allan are a little bit taller than me the last time I was, you know, last time I was with them I was a little bit shorter than them. Mmm, and Carol might be shorter than me I'm not sure.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, I'll put middle then.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, mm'kay. And you know my eye color, one green and one blue, though they were originally blue, both of them.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay then, I'm going to put blue because it has to be genetic.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, okay. I'm not sure about siblings sharing the same eye color.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay
 '''Chris:''' Ah, yeah I'm right handed, and I'm pretty sure my siblings are right handed too.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay
 '''Chris:''' I'm brown haired so are Cole and Allan, and I believe Carol was a blonde.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay [typing]
 '''Chris:''' Alright and the fine markings [long pause]
 '''Kacey:''' Also before you get into that, were your half-brothers and your half sisters on your mom's side or your dad's side because that's important.
 '''Chris:''' Okay Allan and Carol were on my father's side. Joseph Cole Smithy was on my Mother's side.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, and no defining markings? Okay then that's all I need.
 '''Chris:''' No wait a minute, I do have a defining marking.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay [breathing sound]
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, on my chest above my left breast [laughs] above my left breast. There's this oval shaped, badge-like scar that I got from a bicycle accident when I was like five to seven years old.
 '''Kacey:''' Oh that's not genetic so I don't need that, but thank you [coughs]
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I mean you said, you know if it's scarring or marking related to include that-
 '''Kacey:''' But it has to be genetically related, a bicycle accident isn't genetic, but thank you.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, that pretty much covers it then.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay thank you [laughs] I appreciate it. I need to get a lot more.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I mean that was all the questions you had in the email so far.
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah but I need to get a lot more people to do it, I need like forty people per time zone.
 '''Chris:''' Forty people per time zone?
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah.
 '''Chris:''' Wow, there are a lot of time zones.
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah for America, everything else you have to do by country. But, if you had an accident doing a bike before maybe you should ride bikes instead of jogging that would help a lot and get your heart rate up.
 '''Chris:''' Mmm, okay
 '''Kacey:''' By the way, did you get those emails about heart rate?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah I got your email about heart rate, I haven't listened to that yet but I will look into it.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I was kind of busy between today and yesterday, because this fella who calls himself Gregg Mays, but I'm pretty sure it's also Clyde Cash because he called me-
 '''Kacey:''' I thought he was dead.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I thought so too, but he decided to come back by a different name of Gregg Mays, I also recognized him as such-
 '''Kacey:''' How could someone come back from the dead Chris, what is he like a zombie or something?
 '''Chris:''' It's like, you know. This guy was assuming a different- This guy was [pause] Okay it's like this, aside from his original name, whatever it was, he was going by a different name.
 '''Kacey:''' But he was dead, so he's a zombie.
 '''Chris:''' No, I mean this guy was pretending to be Clyde Cash, it's like he could kill the pretend person and still be alive himself. Like say-
 '''Kacey:''' Wait, so you thinking this guy killed the guy and is pretended to be him, who would be a zombie?
 '''Chris:''' Okay, let me give you an example. Let's say I was going around pretending to be Christopher, okay?
 '''Kacey:''' You mean my Chris? You couldn't do that, no way (laughs).
 '''Chris:''' No, no, no, no. Anyway I'm just doing this by a name basis only. But anyway, let's say I was going around the internet picking on this guy who- and I keep telling them my name is Christopher.
 '''Kacey:''' But you do tell everyone that your name is Christopher.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, let me change- let me start over then. Okay, let's pretend that I was going around the internet calling myself Dick, alright? Dick. And I was bugging on this guy, bullying him, and then he decides to stand up against me and take down my source of anger against him, and then it's like, “Oh my God okay, I'm going to go kill myself.” So Dick kills himself, and is dead. But that doesn't mean that I, Christian am dead, it's just the character of Dick is dead.
 '''Kacey:''' So the guy kills himself, and he's dead, and he comes back as a zombie. Okay I got it, he must have like, the T-Virus or something.
 '''Chris:''' No, no, no he did not really kill himself, he just killed the character.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, how did he kill the character? That's just crazy! So it's a character-zombie, okay!
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] It's a- Okay, you know characters are made it. It's not necessarily the person that did it-
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, how could the character be dead if it's made up?
 '''Chris:''' Okay you know the guy that plays House on House? His name is not really-
 '''Kacey:''' That's an actor
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I know that's an actor yeah. That's what I've been talking about, this guy was an actor.
 '''Kacey:''' Why would an actor be doing this, that doesn't make sense. Was he getting paid or something?
 '''Chris:''' No, he's not a real actor. He was just acting in his self-proclaimed role as Clyde Cash. And then, it's like in the show he kills- it's like the character Clyde Cash is dead, but the actor for real is still alive.
 '''Kacey:''' But why would an actor be messing with you? So you think this Clyde Cash person is not Clyde Cash. But he made Clyde Cash dead, and now Clyde Cash is back, therefore the character-zombie. And now he works on House, I got it.
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] No, no, no. The guy who was Clyde Cash, is now pretending to be Gregg Mays. I also recognized the email address. The very same email address that Clyde Cash used those months ago.
 '''Kacey:''' Well if it's still the same email address then he's pretending to be the same person right? Therefore [sound break] a zombie! [laughs] I mean, just tell him he's a zombie. Be like, “no you're not a zombie.”
 '''Chris:''' Uh no he's-
 '''Kacey:''' People don't come back from the dead, they just don't.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah I mean- [stress sigh] Jeez. I mean, come on, in reality this guy is by a whole different name. We're not sure what his real identity is. And he's been fooling around chasing me- and he was chasing me around the internet claiming to be going by the name Clyde Cash. And then, he claims that he's going to kill- he claims that Clyde Cash is going to kill himself. So the character dies, but the actor is still alive, and now the actor returns and goes by a different character of Gregg Mays.
 '''Kacey:''' Oh so he's like Carmen Sandiego he goes everywhere and he has disguises.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah aliases, yeah.
 '''Kacey:''' I mean, why would you think he would come back if he killed himself, or the character-zombie off. That doesn't make sense, why would he come back. And why would you think he's a character anyway. Maybe this guy is real…and undead.
 '''Chris:''' I know the person, the guy is real. But he was pretending to be-
 '''Kacey:''' But maybe he really is this Clyde Cash though, that's what I don't get. People don't just do that, they don't pretend to be different people. Why is he after you anyway? What did you do to him?
 '''Chris:''' I have done nothing to him. I did not know him, until a whole big number of months- like a number of months ago, and then he hacked into my web-hosting site starting with my original Tripod site and then-
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, there has to be a reason. What happened? He's got to be a reason for this vendetta.
 '''Chris:''' I have no idea. I never knew the guy personally.
 '''Kacey:''' Nothing happened to him that would make him angry at you? I mean-
 '''Chris:''' I don't-
 '''Kacey:''' That doesn't sound right. Did you ever hurt his feelings, or maybe it was through somebody else that knows him that you know?
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] He's-
 '''Kacey:''' There's no way a random person would just pretend this.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah I know, I know. Okay, yeah. Supposedly Clyde Cash's story for him trolling me was that supposedly he quote-unquote brother, Ryan Cash, committed suicide, after the one-time threat, after I found the ED Page, and I was like, “That's it, I'm not drawing anymore comics.” Then supposedly Ryan killed himself, suicide, because of my little hint there. But then, I did continue on into the comics.
 '''Kacey:''' Well, but then you have to own up to those consequences of your actions. This guy is probably real then. I know I'd be really upset if one of my siblings killed themselves.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah [stress sigh] I did apologize, and I felt sorry for-
 '''Kacey:''' Was it a very heartfelt apology?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah. But he still trolls me-
 '''Kacey:''' Well maybe it wasn't enough if he's still after you. I don't think this is an act, or something--

==Part 2==
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| name = Kacey-CWC Call 18 Part 2
| audio = {{#ev:youtube|DnRp6jwsKCo}}
| Stardate = ???
| Featuring = [[Chris]]; [[Kacey]]
| Saga = {{Liquid}} Liquid Saga
| previous = [[#Part 1|Part 1]]
| next = [[Kacey Call 19]]
}} </Center>
 '''Kacey:''' It's not a game, there's no zombies.
 '''Chris:''' The only other instinct that he might have against me is because he's an obvious homosexual.
 '''Kacey:''' [laughs] Okay, what does that have to do with anything?
 '''Chris:''' I'm not particularly fond of homosexual dudes. I think we've been over that.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay but how do you think he's gay? How is it obvious? Has he hit on you? Have you seen him having gay sex?
 '''Chris:''' [stress sigh] No I don't have visual proof, but he just sounds-
 '''Kacey:''' Then he's probably not gay.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm, Okay well-
 '''Kacey:''' I mean, unless he's come on to you, or you've seen him, he's not gay.
 '''Chris:''' Well actually I can tell you this. In his recent threat, after he stole my Playstation Network account the first time, day before yesterday, he wanted me to make a video of my Sonic and Tails plush dolls going on a homosexual date and having homosexual sex.
 '''Kacey:''' I think he would just be doing that to bother you because he knows how much you hate gay people. I don't think a gay person would do that, in fact that sounds like something a straight guy would do because they think it's funny.
 '''Chris:''' [stress sigh] Well anyway.
 '''Kacey:''' A gay person wouldn't think that's funny because it's too close to them. That's really proof he's not gay.
 '''Chris:''' [sigh]
 '''Kacey:''' Gay people don't act like that
 '''Chris:''' Well, whatever.
 '''Kacey:''' He's probably 100% straight-
 '''Chris:''' (Sigh) well
 '''Kacey:''' -and a T-Virus zombie.
 '''Chris:''' Look forget the word zombie right now okay?
 '''Kacey:''' [Laughs] But, that's what it sounds like right now, I mean, it's a joke.
 '''Chris:''' That's what it may sound like but that is not the case, I mean, yeah Kim can tell you a lot more about Clyde Cash/Gregg Mays when y'all talk next time. Mmm but anyway, yeah, I did not follow up on his- like, as if I'm going to do that. Anyway, then I called Sony and got my account back, 5:30 pm. Thursday? Wednesday? It's Friday now, yeah, Wednesday. I got it back 5:30 Wednesday. I changed the password and the email address. But then, somehow, and I had not even told anybody my new email address and the password [voice gets high-pitched] and at 11:30 he get's into my main Playstation account again!
 '''Kacey:''' Well if he's done it before, he's probably really good at it. He probably doesn't need anything to go on, he's probably just some super-hacker. I mean-
 '''Chris:''' [Stress sigh] Anyway, yesterday afternoon I called Sony and told them about this guy hacking into my account again and they're like, “Okay well, since you backed up will changed you Sonichu ID back and get you a temporary password and put your account on hold, on suspension, and our crack team will investigate this guy further, and see how he was able to get into your account.
 '''Kacey:''' Well do you make it an easy password and login?
 '''Chris:''' What?
 '''Kacey:''' Do you make it easy for someone to figure out? Some people say never make your passwords birthdates or the word “God” or something. Is it easy? Do you use the same password over and over?
 '''Chris:''' Actually no, my password is very complicated. Okay, well I'll tell it to you since it's already used up at this point. The last password I used was capital J, zero, four, lower case N, capital E, one, lower case D, E, four, capital R, zero-eight, lower case I, two, lower case O, N. [J04nE1de4R08i2on]
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, okay, um. So that's just a random string of words, how do you remember that?
 '''Chris:''' Actually in this case, this was an author's name. I take his name and change some of his letters to numbers. You know, three can look like M, or N's, E or W.
 '''Kacey:''' Uh, well. Maybe he's cracked that code. If you use that a lot he knows what it is. I hate leet speak, it's so stupid.
 '''Chris:''' Leet speak?
 '''Kacey:''' Leet speak, that's what it's called when you change letters into numbers like that.
 '''Chris:''' Leet speak? I've never heard of that before. I just thought it was a fun thing to do. I often like to spell words backwards, and say them backwards like that.
 '''Kacey:''' Maybe you should look it up. But still, maybe he's just cracked your code. He's probably really good at what he does.
 '''Chris:''' Actually I talked- Actually while I was waiting for Kim, I picked up on him calling me twice tonight. I also talked to him the night before a little bit. He said that he supposedly tampered with my PS3. I mean other than- I mean, I'm not sure how he could do that.
 '''Kacey:''' He could! I mean, there's tons of ways for people to do stuff like that. You should probably listen to him. If he's done it before he's going to do it again.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, but anyway-
 '''Kacey:''' Especially with all the times you download stuff to your PSN, yeah he could probably do it.
 '''Chris:''' Hmmm, well anyway I currently have my Playstation 3 turned off and unplugged so he cannot get to the new passwords and email addresses from my other accounts aside from the named one. Anyway, aside from that-
 '''Kacey:''' Maybe he'll break it or something, but then this would all be over and then it wouldn't matter right?
 '''Chris:''' Maybe he'll break it?
 '''Kacey:''' Why not if he can mess with it further? Maybe you should just give up on it. Obviously this guy is going to be after you, is it really worth it?
 '''Chris:''' [sigh] Well I'm not going to give up on my PSN on that note you know, someone will help me-
 '''Kacey:''' It's just videogames.
 '''Chris:''' -my main account back. Yeah, but still so much I could be able to do only when I have access to my account. Like, you cannot be logged off your Playstation Network Account and copy your PS1 classic or PSP games to the PSP, or even the videos you download through the Playstation Network you have to be logged into the Playstation Network in order to copy the videos and those games to the-
 '''Kacey:''' But still, videogames. I mean, it's not going to be a huge loss.
 '''Chris:''' Hmmm
 '''Kacey:''' If you make them so important, of course he's going to go for those. He's probably going after the most important thing in your life right now, which would be videogames.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm, uh yeah, as if that's the most important thing in my life- I mean most important thing in my life right now is going out in real life and trying to find myself a woman to be sweetheart.
 '''Kacey:''' Well... That's not a goal that should be your priority. That's- especially if you hadn't spent most of your time playing videogames you might have been successful by now. But still, your priority should be getting a job and getting out of the house and I mean-
 '''Chris:''' Yeah well fortunately-
 '''Kacey:''' -Keeping your promises.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah well fortunately I am on the verge of getting a job you know, I got my interview next Tuesday at Target.
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah, well good luck on that. But, I don't know, maybe you should just let it go.
 '''Chris:''' You're still talking about the videogames aren't you?
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah especially if you have all this going for you now, you probably should just be like, make him think you don't care.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, well I pretty much given him that impression at this point.
 '''Kacey:''' Plus it probably would make you a lot more appealing if you really want a girlfriend.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah-
 '''Kacey:''' I should know, I'm a girl.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I know. But anyway, maybe he'll back off a little bit now on that note. Especially since-
 '''Kacey:''' Well he's not going to if you make it such a big deal, and you keep going after it. You're seriously just going to have to be like, “You know what? Fine, I don't need it anymore.” It's how those psychos think.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm…
 '''Kacey:''' He's going to know you want it back if you keep trying. You're going to have to trick him.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I mean I am tricking him right now, I mean a little bit. When he called-
 '''Kacey:''' No you're not you're worrying over it. You want to get it back. You're going to have to be serious and say, “I don't care anymore.”
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I mean I did tell him that, yeah. I did tell him that.
 '''Kacey:''' Make a video of you throwing it away or something- giving it away. Just be like, “I don't need this anymore.” Obviously he's watching you and following you.
 '''Chris:''' [stress sigh]
 '''Kacey:''' You've got to give him a direct message. You've got to outsmart him. You're smart, you can do it.
 '''Chris:''' Uh, yeah I mean, I don't want to have to give it away for real.
 '''Kacey:''' Well then he's just going to keep doing this, and you're basically asking him to do it. That's the point of the video though, to just be like, “I don't need this anymore.” Maybe he'll take it at face value. It's worth a shot.
 '''Chris:''' Alright well, I'll think about it. I will think about it.
 '''Kacey:''' You should do it. Because when you say, “I'll think about it,” It means you're not going to do it.
 '''Chris:''' No, when I say, “I'll think about it,” It means I'll think about it, and then I am likely to do it. I mean, I told you I thought about the exercise and sorry, it's just- I thought about calling the doctor and I called the-
 '''Kacey:''' Well you need to shake this guy, because obviously he's mentally imbalanced. I would do anything I can to get rid of him. Especially if he has anything to do with your PS3 being bugged or something. I'd be like, “Screw this, I don't need this anymore.” I mean he's probably already heard it by now.”
 '''Chris:''' He's probably already heard it?
 '''Kacey:''' Yeah, if he's done something to it.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah well anyway, he also told me something else, I should take it apart and remove the battery that's by the Blu-ray Drive, and then that will do something to the mod chip and then put the battery back it. It's not like I'm going to listen to him like that, I'd only do it if Sony suggested I do it. Or like, I need a professional like Kim's boyfriend Logan. She confirms to me that he knows pretty much about that so you know, I told her to ask him that for me about what will happen if I remove the battery from the Blu-Ray drive area there.
 '''Kacey:''' Well maybe you should do it. If he's really got something in your PS3 he's not just doing it for fun. You probably should listen to him. It couldn't hurt to just look.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, but I'm not sure, I mean- If I remove the battery it might wipe out my user list on my PS3.
 '''Kacey:''' No it won't it's just the battery! Batteries don't hold memory or information, what?
 '''Chris:''' It's like if you remove the battery from a clock radio, a digital clock radio okay? That's like an internal battery and then the power goes out-
 '''Kacey:''' That's not a computer, that's different. I can remove my hard drive from my computer and none of my stuff is going to be erased.
 '''Chris:''' Alright
 '''Kacey:''' It's made to hold that memory. It's not going to hurt it. It's not a clock radio, I think it's a little more advanced than that. I mean, I thought you were good at electronics.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I am fairly good at electronics, I mean-
 '''Kacey:''' Well then you should know something so basic.
 '''Chris:''' Well I just didn't know for sure about what he's saying here.
 '''Kacey:''' No it should be fine.
 '''Chris:''' Hmm
 '''Kacey:''' Haven't you replaced any hard drives before in anything?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah I have-
 '''Kacey:''' Nothing gets erased.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah I mean, I have replaced the hard drive in my PS3 drive twice, from the original-
 '''Kacey:''' Well then you should be fine.
 '''Chris:''' Alright I'll do it, I'll take it apart and look for the battery, and remove it and then put it back in. I mean, after we finish up this conversation here.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, yeah. That's fine.
 '''Chris:''' Mm'kay
 '''Kacey:''' Alright I might be late tomorrow because I close, but I'll talk to you later.
 '''Chris:''' Okay well also I'll just let you know I called up the doctor's (?) office earlier today and I made an appointment to see him this morning at 10:45 or 10:30 I forget which one. Anyway talking about my chest- talking about my heart pains.
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, heart pain?
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, didn't you and Kim talk about this? She told you had talked about this.
 '''Kacey:''' Oh, yeah okay I remember.
 '''Chris:''' Yeah, I'm gonna go see him about that this morning. Mm'kay. Alright I'll talk to you tomorrow, you take care okay?
 '''Kacey:''' Okay, well if you're having heart pains over this, that's a good reason to get rid of this shit. I'll just talk to you tomorrow, just feel better.
 '''Chris:''' Okay, you stay safe.
 '''Kacey:''' Alright, bye
 '''Chris:''' bye-bye

[recording ends]

==External links==
*[http://www.mediafire.com/?c29bsshpf7ccuiy mp3 of phonecall]

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