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<p>SpookyBones: /* Official CWCki Server */ sorry my mistake. Bella is believed to have gotten Fiona on her radar there but there's no evidence they actually *met* there (rather they did through Sean) and this is somewhat speculatory</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article is about the chat app. For the imaginary friend from My Little Pony, see [[Imaginary friends#Discord|Imaginary friends]].''<br /> :''For the CWCki's Discord server [https://discord.gg/b5GU9cz click here]''<br /> <br /> [[File:Discordcwc1.png|thumb|Some of the known Discord servers Chris is in, as of August 2020.]]<br /> <br /> '''Discord''' is a chat messaging service Chris has used since at least 2018.<br /> ==Groups==<br /> ===Idea Guys===<br /> The [[Idea Guys]] used Discord to chat with Chris, role-playing as various fictional characters to him, who believed he was chatting directly with those characters. An unknown number of chats took place; after the Idea Guys were ousted, the [[Guard Dogs]] later leaked two such chats - [[The Bad Beginning]] and [[Cryzel Torture]].<br /> <br /> ===Fantasy enablers===<br /> Chris joined ViviChu's server in September 2018&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/9-2018-chris-joins-a-fans-discord.47701/&lt;/ref&gt; and [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s in July 2019&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5079360&lt;/ref&gt;. Ben Saint invited Chris to his Discord in [[September 2019]]&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5371310&lt;/ref&gt;. Chris joined the '''arbitarch cwc alliance'''[''sic''] Discord server, run by [[enablers]] such as [[AquaDiamond8]], in fall 2019.<br /> <br /> The bulk of the chats center on Chris [[role-play]]ing with the enablers feeding into his fantasies.<br /> <br /> ===ProjectSNT===<br /> In [[January 2020]], Chris paid to join [[ProjectSNT]]'s Discord group, in an apparent attempt to get his foot in the door after she had given him the cold shoulder over Twitter in response to a tantrum he threw over her redesign of one of his characters.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> '''Arbitarch CWC Alliance''' is one of the [[Discord]] servers Chris participates in. It was created by Joseph Draft, the man behind [[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]] to document Chris's interaction. They used art from MKRNightVee to help catch Chris's attention and bring him there. Once their intent was revealed, the Watchmen shut it down; both AquaDiamond8 and MKRNightVee left the server after its true purpose was known.<br /> <br /> During the server's operation, people on Twitter commented on Chris's posts about it, revealing some troubling aspects of the server; not only were the admins and mods [[CWCville Mayoral Office|notoriously power-hungry and dictatorial]], but in order to take part, users had to 'verify' their Discord accounts through a rather shady bot which requested access to user data, including any other servers the user was a member of.<br /> <br /> ===Official CWCki Server===<br /> On 10 [[August 2020]], Chris joined the Official CWCki Server after being convinced to do so by the Watchman [[Bismuth]]. He has since made two public addresses to the server members [[Spirit_possession#Sonichu|(as Sonichu)]], the first informing everyone that he and [[Barb]] are safe and healthy, and the second vaguely alluding to his plan to [[COVID-19#Stopping_the_pandemic|travel back in time and prevent the COVID-19 pandemic from ever happening.]] Through Bismuth, Chris also answered several questions asked by users.{{Cite}}<br /> <br /> Chris was banned from the server on 14 August. Before doing so, a moderator released a public statement explaining their rationale:<br /> [[File:Chris CWCki Ban.PNG|thumb|The moderator's statement prior to banning Chris.]]<br /> <br /> {{quote|In the last few days lots have happend ''[sic]'' in this server. Chris has joined this place for starters. This was met with mixed reception. The CWCki's goal is only to document Chris and not provide him a platform to push his agendas. It was never imagined that Chris will use this server to ramble about his fantasies. And due to this it has been decided to give Chris his own server where he may do as he pleases.|A server [[User:Klop|Jerkhief]]}}<br /> <br /> An invite link to the referenced server was posted below the message, but setup was unfinished and Chris had not yet joined, and the link was quickly removed once the server became infested with [[weens]].{{Cite}}<br /> <br /> The CWCki server was a favorite hangout of the [[Suitress]], among other figures who would gain notoriety in post-Merge scandals. The CWCki Discord claims to forbid people to interact with Chris but, not only were these two individuals and others in notable and very obvious contact with Chris on the server, but with great irony, it's one-time owner was revealed to be a member of the [[Watchmen]] in close contact with Chris.{{Cite}}<br /> <br /> ===cwc frens===<br /> A server created by the founder of the Official CWCki Server, and run by Bismuth. It was originally designed to be a place for Chris to address his onlookers directly (since the CWCki Server had been deemed inappropriate for that purpose). The link was posted prematurely on the CWCki Server after Chris's banning, resulting in an invasion of [[weens]]. Moderators were quick to take control, and revamp the server so that spamming would be reduced.<br /> <br /> Chris joined sometime during this period of chaos, and has since posted occasionally. A mailbag channel was created, where users could submit questions, and a Watchman would sort through them before privately delivering the appropriate ones to Chris.<br /> <br /> The server was shut down in the early hours of 6 [[September 2020]], seemingly by its owner, for unclear reasons.<br /> <br /> The mailbag channel aspect was succeeded in the Discord server CWC Questions, &lt;s&gt;where questions are currently sourced from users for the ongoing [[Discord Q&amp;A]].&lt;/s&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Watchmen's Place===<br /> The [[Watchmen]] are a group of [[enablers]] who sought to protect Chris from malicious actors. Chris joined their Discord group. A [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|large amount of chats]] from it were leaked by the Watchmen in summer 2020. Chris has also done [[22 August 2020 Q&amp;A|a Q&amp;A with a CWCki editor]] in the group.<br /> <br /> Chris left the server due to the events of the Watchmen breakup.&lt;ref&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Sonic World DX===<br /> [[File:Kicked from Sonic World DX Discord.png|thumb|Server creator on Chris's removal.]]<br /> A group for the fanmade [[Sonic World]] game, which Chris joined in order to request ''Sonichu''-themed mods. Chris was later kicked for stealing mods without permission.<br /> <br /> ===Bella's Chess Club===<br /> [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and her friends at Texas Tech used a Discord server which was allegedly for a university chess club to post a wide variety of disturbing material, but, more relevantly to our subject matter, she invited Chris at one point for a brief visit. The Chess Club was also at the center of Bella's attempted coverup related to the [[incest]] tapes. On the Discord, Bella boasted (without evidence) of having deep connections with the [[Kiwi Farms]] and with this Wiki, amusingly enough probably because [[Sean Walker]] had told her that he had such connections, which in turn was partly baseless bragging by him and partly due to Sean himself being trolled by [[Watchmen#Bismuth|Naught]]. <br /> <br /> Bella's other activites on Discord included an interview with the [[Watchmen]] after the incest leaks and private conversations with Sean.<br /> <br /> ===GiBi's Tavern===<br /> {{Incomplete}}<br /> Disgraced Chris youtuber [[Post-Merge Era#GiBi|Devon Infinito]], a/k/a '''GiBi''' hosted a Discord for his fans which was notable for giving rise to a scandal regarding inappropriate content hosted on a server with many minors present, as well as [[Jacob Sockness]] and some of his rather disturbing friends. The [[Suitress]] was notably<br /> <br /> ===Glorious Golden Church of Sonichu===<br /> <br /> A server created by [[Praetor]] for those who have purchased their limited-run $60 golden medallion. Chris is presumably in there, although no information about the server's structure or community has been leaked as of yet.<br /> <br /> ==Discord selfies==<br /> To provide proof of his Discord account's legitimacy, Chris takes poorly-photographed selfies to post in the servers upon entering.<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:CWC Discord1.jpg|For Vivichu's Discord, September 2018.<br /> File:Chris Discord Sept 2018 2.jpg<br /> File:Chris Discord Sept 2018 3.jpg<br /> File:Chris-Chan-Discord July 2019.jpg|For [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord, July 2019.<br /> File:ChrisonDiscordSeptember2019.jpg|For [[Ben Saint]]'s Discord, September 2019.<br /> File:September 2019 Discord selfie2.jpg<br /> File:Children of Kefentse Discord selfie.jpg|For [[TSSSF|Children of Kefentse]] Discord, October 2019.<br /> File:CWC Discord selfie for VoidZine server.jpg|For the VoidZine server, [[March 2020]].<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Names and avatars==<br /> Chris has occasionally changed his name and avatar.<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:Chris joins SNT's Server.png|Original &quot;ChrisChanSonichu&quot; name and avatar.<br /> File:MagiChrisChan.PNG|Changed to reflect his belief that [[Magi-Chan]] had [[possessed]] him in [[August 2019]].<br /> File:Sonichu982-9390.png|Changed to Sonichu theme during [[April 2020]] to reflect his belief that he and Sonichu had swapped bodies.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Select quotes==<br /> Screenshots of Chris's messages have been leaked. Highlights are quoted below.<br /> <br /> ===Barbara's trip to the ER===<br /> 19 October 2019, Midnight Moonflower's server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I'm faring okay. I've been feeling a LOT of psychic senses going off and on all day today while being out on errand and grocery shopping. Also, my [[mom]] had a bit of high blood pressure and asked me to drive her to the ER; they found nothing wrong with her It is likely a combination of stress and the incoming magic energies from [[C-197]].}}<br /> <br /> ===Possible MLP cons===<br /> 27 October 2019, [[TSSSF|Children of Kefentse]] server<br /> <br /> ''Only Chris's side of the conversation was archived. Unbeknownst to him, Seaquestria Fest has him on a preemptive [[ban]] list.''<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Still a remainder of basic Ship cards to figure out to match the number in the Core deck Perhaps I may play with you at BABSCon.<br /> <br /> At least I am mostly set for the event and travel planning,<br /> <br /> I'll check out Trotcon; perhaps I can fit that in as well. At least there is plenty of time until 2020<br /> <br /> There's also AirBnB.<br /> <br /> What is the name of the new Maryland Convention?<br /> <br /> That's in California<br /> <br /> Seaquestria Fest<br /> <br /> https://www.seaquestriafest.com/}}<br /> <br /> ===Body-swapped with Tri===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I had [[body-swap]]ped with Tri Sonichu to work on a number of planned setups for getting Magi-Chan back into [[1218]] and/or myself, fully, into [[C-197]]. 1 had to swap back with Tri earlier today, because his aura, And his body, have just become fully chakra-balanced and overpowered; he is Rainbow Aura too, now.<br /> <br /> So, for this total sync-up for himself, he needed to be fully together again. And I helped him get there with my abilities, and pre-existing Rainbow Aura of my own I will tell you this: The [[Rokat]] and [[Kidasuna]] really do have such a crazy slavery problem. After experiencing it first-hand, personally, under Magi-Chan and Tri's temp job in the VR Simulator that allows their avatar to go between dimensions. The co-workers I was working with were toughened, yet they all were simply Just Soo Tired of not only being Slaves, but for not getting paid for their work. They only get paid in nourishment and rest during their breaks in between shifts. It is simply horrific.}}<br /> <br /> ===Complicated view of Jacob Sockness===<br /> ''Note: the &quot;interview of Jacob&quot; Chris mentions is an interview by GiBi, seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhV7At8N4x4 here], in which Sockness discusses his demonic fantasies.''<br /> <br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> {{quotebox|I am emotionally still caring of Jacob, and remain aware of his future self-sacrifice, but I will not have to be in too-close contact with him anymore,<br /> <br /> I sense the Interview of Jacob, that we've been hearing about lately, is possibly falsified, but it still woke me out of the infatuation I had, in mind, body and soul.<br /> <br /> I still have yet to read the transcript of that interview.<br /> <br /> As [[AquaDiamond8|Aqua and Val]] had put it, he was a messenger of kidasuna, and he didn't know everything, yet he knew a lot with the help of Michiro. So, we've been putting up with him in the selected fated events in order to learn and attain what we needed to proceed further}}<br /> <br /> ===Dimensional hot dog===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I can actually manifest what comes to mind in the [[C-197]] side, including recently, where I was curious how a fried hot dog wiener would taste like, I manifested it into my hand, appearing only in C-197 and in my view. I was able to taste it and feel it's texture fully. It's not bad an idea, but still a fattening one that I would not pursue constantly.<br /> <br /> I literally took a bite out of that hot dog.}}<br /> <br /> ===Fragments of Chris's soul===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I've been focusing my energies and soul Everywhere, and in down time, focusing it in simpler tasks, including making the TSSSF cards.<br /> <br /> My soul literally gets force-projected multiple times, divided, simultaneously, and so forth to Help As Many Individuals As Possible from pains and stresses and towards positive events. <br /> <br /> One percent goes to help a mountain climber survive<br /> <br /> One percent plays Guardian Angel to someone else<br /> <br /> One Percent helps a child with their test<br /> <br /> That is the way it has been with me for YEARS.}}<br /> <br /> ===Chris has a paypig===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> A member asked Chris about how his financial situation was going.<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Fair, can get better. Strictly Confidential, I have a Very Generous Donor who donates greatly and consistently during the months.}}<br /> <br /> ===BABScon plans===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Anyway, I have my badge, and a room reserved in the building the convention is in. I will still need to plan the train trip and remaining details, but so far, it is going good (not counting Jacob at all).}}<br /> <br /> ===Still desperate for the Dimensional Merge===<br /> <br /> 29 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I am not fully knowing of the final instance and moment in detail, but it is very soon. Someone on Twitter commented possibly February of 2020, but we are very optimistic it will be long before then. The [[Dimension Merge]] completion. As for getting me into C-197, that Has to happen ASAP.}}<br /> <br /> ===Chris thinks he'll live for thousands of years===<br /> <br /> 29 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|[[Chris and death|And dying is not happening with me]]; [[Chris and reality|I'm set to stay alive for thousands of years]]. Anyway I pray every night that I wake up the next day fully in C-197, also transformed into my Sonichu form. And snapping my fingers after the prayer does send my body a tingling in the frequency vibrations.}}<br /> <br /> ===Chris's day-to-day life===<br /> <br /> 29 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|As for what I do while awake, on the recent, I get up, take my meds, meditate while playing Tetris 99 to at least take on the daily tasks for the game. Most days, I go out on errand or simple walking and bursts of Fast running speed on impulse. My typical walking pace is comparable to that of a speed-walker, and yet I'm not speed-walking, and I don't get tired out.<br /> <br /> Anyway, during the time at home, I tend to binge a show, do some drawing or creative, work (namely the [[TSSSF]] cards and the comic pages).}}<br /> <br /> ===&lt;s&gt;Chris&lt;/s&gt; Sonichu addresses Official CWCki Server===<br /> <br /> 10 August 2020, Official CWCki Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Hello, @everyone. It is I, Sonichu. Some details are consciously uncertain to me at the moment, but all will become more clear and I will able to share more with all of you.<br /> <br /> Meanwhile, listen well to [[Watchmen|@Lainchu (klop), Val and Bismuth]] as they will brief everyone on here soon with some of the details you all need to know of the events to come, and the events so far and present .<br /> <br /> Regardless, I continue to be safe, healthy and well, and so are Barbara and everyone else here. You all need not fret, and I am most humbled and grateful for all of you being in service out of kindness and loyalty, regardless of trolling status and levels.<br /> <br /> I will speak again on here later. That is all for now. Thank you. ⚡⚡⚡}}<br /> <br /> ===Time Traveling===<br /> <br /> 12 August 2020, Official CWCki Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Hello, @everyone. I have something to tell all of you: in regard to everything that has happened and are happening in regard to not only the Dimension Merge, but also in that I am to get this body into C-197 and to Cwcville, and the greater details beyond that that involve me [[COVID-19#Stopping the pandemic|going back in time and undoing this pandemic from ever happening.]] I wish to make it very direct and clear that this is very sincere and serious, and when talking with me about it, it is not at all to be in humoring anyone. And I am very well aware of the percentage of those who think it a joke when it clearly is not at all. In other words, to talk with me means to talk with sincerity and full acceptance of the situations. I will not accept or tolerate [[Welfare|Neet]] behaviour, or any disingenuous mentality and intentions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|[[Messiah complex|I pray to Chris Chan]] that I have made myself clear to all of you.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|That is all for now. Thank you}}<br /> <br /> ===This [[14 Branchland Court|Temple]] is now nominated to be a PokeStop===<br /> <br /> 20 August 2020, cwc frens Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Hey, y’all. Present topic: Yes, this Temple is now nominated to be a PokeStop. Fortunately, ONLY Level 40 players can review and rate the nomination. I will not be making the details on how to go about that public, just to be safe. Other than that, presently, I continue to observe, participate, and follow the clues, cues and all other artifacts and events of great significance. I am not able to speak out the specific details publicly, but I can state that everything is continuing to progress as foreseen and expected. I will be in Cwcville, with this body, shortly enough.<br /> <br /> As for how all of you can speed things along, the best answer I can offer for that question is thus: trust your better instincts that have nothing at all to do with hatred, malcontent or evil, and follow in best efforts on those as you each will, respectively.<br /> <br /> Aside from that for now, all of you be safe and well. And do keep attention and kind thought and care about me, about Mama Chris Chan, and about yourselves.<br /> <br /> Thank you all. ⚡️⚡️⚡️}}<br /> <br /> ===Q&amp;A with The Watchmen===<br /> {{main|22 August 2020 Q&amp;A}}<br /> <br /> On 22 August 2020, the [[Watchmen]] conducted a Q&amp;A session with Chris (as [[Spirit possession|Sonichu]]), asking various mailbag questions from users in the cwc frens server. The questions were asked primarily by [[Lainchu]].<br /> <br /> ===PokeStop Nomination Rejection===<br /> 26 August 2020, cwc frens Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|[[File:PokeStop Rejection.png|500px]]}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible<br /> |Sonichu emojis<br /> |&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> Image:Sonichuemojiangry.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojidizzy.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojilol.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojisad2.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojishock.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojismile2.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojisurprise.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojithink.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojiwut.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ===Trollsona OCs===<br /> 26 December 2020, the Watchmen's Place, during Chris's phase of [[role-play]]ing as Sonichu.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:TrollsonaOCs.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Fun fact: You remember [[Clyde Cash]]? That [[OC]] that was misused to troll Chris?<br /> <br /> Yeah, Clyde in [[C-197]] actually has chronicled Each and Every individual in [[1218]] who played as him. And now with recent drawing, he's no longer human, but a really damaged red Sonichu.<br /> <br /> &quot;[[Julay]]&quot;/BlueSpike chronicled the dude who played as them.<br /> <br /> [[Blanca Weiss]] and [[Jiggliami]] chronicled their hooligans.<br /> <br /> List goes on. The trolls who trolled Chris using an OC, the respective OC was chronicling and using them. Put that fact on [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwi]] and see how many {{w|Nobody|peoples}} reevaluate their respective trollsonas/OCs.}}<br /> <br /> ===Punched wall===<br /> 27 July 2021&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:DiscordWallMessage.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/why-chris-punched-holes-in-the-wall.96321/&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In reference to [[Direct Message to Hasbro: MLPG5 Is Cancelled.‎‎|a video in which a punched-in wall is seen]]:<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|My hands have punched that wall more than once in the past, yes. But it was part of the sequence of events at the time in practice of physically breaking the threads of the [[iron curtain]] veil.}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[Mumble]]<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5814111 The full leak of Chris's Discord messages from the arbitarch cwc alliance server, totaling 42 pictures].<br /> *[https://discord.gg/TpjY22r arbitarch cwc alliance server invite] (invite no longer works, thankfully)<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{FanChats}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271763 2021-10-27T02:24:04Z

<p>SpookyBones: n.b.</p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she* kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> :(*I've actually heard it both ways, that Anaxis was a guy or a girl, but I think the latter, dunno.)<br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> : Yikes. This looks pretty bad.<br /> : As someone who doesn't browse the Farms much and mainly just {{w|Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes}} here, I propose that as a starting measure, editors who have personal connections or a conflict of interest regarding a topic be categorically ''barred'' from editing articles on that topic, similar to how {{w|Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban|Wikipedia deals with this kind of thing}}. I don't see any reason why people suspected of being ''in'' the Watchmen are allowed to edit the Watchmen page.<br /> : I don't really know enough about the situation to say much more, so I'll leave that to other editors. More action definitely needs to happen, though.<br /> : By the way, [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]]: the links you're using as sources are dead links. I think you might have forgotten to put &quot;File:&quot; before the names of the images you're linking. You might want to fix that. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: I'm pretty much the opposite as far as the first part goes, I know pretty much nothing about Wikis (thanks for pointing out the image links, should work now) but am very comfortable on the Farms and places like that. It's a different mindset for sure but in a perfect world we'd complement each other, after all, &quot;CWCki forums&quot; and all that. <br /> :: You're definitely on the right track as far as restricting people from editing articles on subjects that concern them. The unfortunate thing about this is that I guess that would have to be a self-report thing unless people are outright exposed (as has been happening recently) because these groups by their nature skulk around in the shadows. They hardly publish membership lists. It would be a good start, though. An absolute minimum. And as far as the rest goes, concealing involvement should be grounds for a ban, no questions asked. There were far too many weird Discord gayops and general fuckery in the leadup to the Merge, including, I'm sure, a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. The fact that people are not only withholding this information but then going around and editing CWCki articles on the subject is, to say the least, problematic. Just the act of editing an article, IMO, if we're &quot;assuming good faith&quot; (heh) implies ''not actively concealing information on the subject''. Sockpuppeting to do so is on another level especially if you are [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|staff]] but what happened in this case is a big problem too even though [[User:Anaxis]] was not yet staff at the time. <br /> <br /> :: Especially since this is not a Wiki open to random people from the general public there's an implied level of trust with people who are granted an account. It's been broken repeatedly and so far without consequences.<br /> <br /> :: I would love to hear the input of others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 00:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271762 2021-10-27T01:03:39Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> : Yikes. This looks pretty bad.<br /> : As someone who doesn't browse the Farms much and mainly just {{w|Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes}} here, I propose that as a starting measure, editors who have personal connections or a conflict of interest regarding a topic be categorically ''barred'' from editing articles on that topic, similar to how {{w|Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban|Wikipedia deals with this kind of thing}}. I don't see any reason why people suspected of being ''in'' the Watchmen are allowed to edit the Watchmen page.<br /> : I don't really know enough about the situation to say much more, so I'll leave that to other editors. More action definitely needs to happen, though.<br /> : By the way, [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]]: the links you're using as sources are dead links. I think you might have forgotten to put &quot;File:&quot; before the names of the images you're linking. You might want to fix that. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: I'm pretty much the opposite as far as the first part goes, I know pretty much nothing about Wikis (thanks for pointing out the image links, should work now) but am very comfortable on the Farms and places like that. It's a different mindset for sure but in a perfect world we'd complement each other, after all, &quot;CWCki forums&quot; and all that. <br /> :: You're definitely on the right track as far as restricting people from editing articles on subjects that concern them. The unfortunate thing about this is that I guess that would have to be a self-report thing unless people are outright exposed (as has been happening recently) because these groups by their nature skulk around in the shadows. They hardly publish membership lists. It would be a good start, though. An absolute minimum. And as far as the rest goes, concealing involvement should be grounds for a ban, no questions asked. There were far too many weird Discord gayops and general fuckery in the leadup to the Merge, including, I'm sure, a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. The fact that people are not only withholding this information but then going around and editing CWCki articles on the subject is, to say the least, problematic. Just the act of editing an article, IMO, if we're &quot;assuming good faith&quot; (heh) implies ''not actively concealing information on the subject''. Sockpuppeting to do so is on another level especially if you are [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|staff]] but what happened in this case is a big problem too even though [[User:Anaxis]] was not yet staff at the time. <br /> <br /> :: Especially since this is not a Wiki open to random people from the general public there's an implied level of trust with people who are granted an account. It's been broken repeatedly and so far without consequences.<br /> <br /> :: I would love to hear the input of others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 00:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271761 2021-10-27T01:02:54Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> : Yikes. This looks pretty bad.<br /> : As someone who doesn't browse the Farms much and mainly just {{w|Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes}} here, I propose that as a starting measure, editors who have personal connections or a conflict of interest regarding a topic be categorically ''barred'' from editing articles on that topic, similar to how {{w|Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban|Wikipedia deals with this kind of thing}}. I don't see any reason why people suspected of being ''in'' the Watchmen are allowed to edit the Watchmen page.<br /> : I don't really know enough about the situation to say much more, so I'll leave that to other editors. More action definitely needs to happen, though.<br /> : By the way, [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]]: the links you're using as sources are dead links. I think you might have forgotten to put &quot;File:&quot; before the names of the images you're linking. You might want to fix that. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: I'm pretty much the opposite as far as the first part goes, I know pretty much nothing about Wikis (thanks for pointing out the image links, should work now) but am very comfortable on the Farms and places like that. It's a different mindset for sure but in a perfect world we'd complement each other, after all, &quot;CWCki forums&quot; and all that. <br /> :: You're definitely on the right track as far as restricting people from editing articles on subjects that concern them. The unfortunate thing about this is that I guess that would have to be a self-report thing unless people are outright exposed (as has been happening recently.) It would be a good start, though. An absolute minimum. And as far as the rest goes, concealing involvement should be grounds for a ban, no questions asked. There were far too many weird Discord gayops and general fuckery in the leadup to the Merge, including, I'm sure, a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. The fact that people are not only withholding this information but then going around and editing CWCki articles on the subject is, to say the least, problematic. Just the act of editing an article, IMO, if we're &quot;assuming good faith&quot; (heh) implies ''not actively concealing information on the subject''. Sockpuppeting to do so is on another level especially if you are [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|staff]] but what happened in this case is a big problem too even though [[User:Anaxis]] was not yet staff at the time. <br /> <br /> :: Especially since this is not a Wiki open to random people from the general public there's an implied level of trust with people who are granted an account. It's been broken repeatedly and so far without consequences.<br /> <br /> :: I would love to hear the input of others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 00:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271760 2021-10-27T01:02:37Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> : Yikes. This looks pretty bad.<br /> : As someone who doesn't browse the Farms much and mainly just {{w|Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes}} here, I propose that as a starting measure, editors who have personal connections or a conflict of interest regarding a topic be categorically ''barred'' from editing articles on that topic, similar to how {{w|Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban|Wikipedia deals with this kind of thing}}. I don't see any reason why people suspected of being ''in'' the Watchmen are allowed to edit the Watchmen page.<br /> : I don't really know enough about the situation to say much more, so I'll leave that to other editors. More action definitely needs to happen, though.<br /> : By the way, [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]]: the links you're using as sources are dead links. I think you might have forgotten to put &quot;File:&quot; before the names of the images you're linking. You might want to fix that. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: I'm pretty much the opposite as far as the first part goes, I know pretty much nothing about Wikis (thanks for pointing out the image links, should work now) but am very comfortable on the Farms and places like that. It's a different mindset for sure but in a perfect world we'd complement each other, after all, &quot;CWCki forums&quot; and all that. <br /> :: You're definitely on the right track as far as restricting people from editing articles on subjects that concern them. The unfortunate thing about this is that I guess that would have to be a self-report thing unless people are outright exposed (as has been happening recently.) It would be a good start, though. An absolute minimum. And as far as the rest goes, concealing involvement should be grounds for a ban, no questions asked. There were far too many weird Discord gayops and general fuckery in the leadup to the Merge, including, I'm sure, a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. The fact that people are not only withholding this information but then going around and editing CWCki articles on the subject is, to say the least, problematic. Just the act of editing an article, IMO, if we're &quot;assuming good faith&quot; (heh) implies ''not actively concealing information on the subject''. Sockpuppeting to do so is on another level especially if you are [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|staff]] but what happened in this case is a big problem too even though [[User:Anaxis]] was not yet staff at the time. <br /> <br /> Especially since this is not a Wiki open to random people from the general public there's an implied level of trust with people who are granted an account. It's been broken repeatedly and so far without consequences.<br /> <br /> I would love to hear the input of others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 00:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271759 2021-10-27T01:01:27Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> : Yikes. This looks pretty bad.<br /> : As someone who doesn't browse the Farms much and mainly just {{w|Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes}} here, I propose that as a starting measure, editors who have personal connections or a conflict of interest regarding a topic be categorically ''barred'' from editing articles on that topic, similar to how {{w|Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban|Wikipedia deals with this kind of thing}}. I don't see any reason why people suspected of being ''in'' the Watchmen are allowed to edit the Watchmen page.<br /> : I don't really know enough about the situation to say much more, so I'll leave that to other editors. More action definitely needs to happen, though.<br /> : By the way, [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]]: the links you're using as sources are dead links. I think you might have forgotten to put &quot;File:&quot; before the names of the images you're linking. You might want to fix that. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: I'm pretty much the opposite as far as the first part goes, I know pretty much nothing about Wikis (thanks for pointing out the image links, should work now) but am very comfortable on the Farms and places like that. It's a different mindset for sure but in a perfect world we'd complement each other, after all, &quot;CWCki forums&quot; and all that. <br /> :: You're definitely on the right track as far as restricting people from editing articles on subjects that concern them. The unfortunate thing about this is that I guess that would have to be a self-report thing unless people are outright exposed (as has been happening recently.) It would be a good start, though. An absolute minimum. And as far as the rest goes, concealing involvement should be grounds for a ban, no questions asked. There were far too many weird Discord gayops and general fuckery in the leadup to the Merge, including, I'm sure, a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. The fact that people are not only withholding this information but then going around and editing CWCki articles on the subject is, to say the least, problematic. Just the act of editing an article, IMO, if we're &quot;assuming good faith&quot; (heh) implies ''not actively concealing information on the subject''. Sockpuppeting to do so is on another level especially if you are [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|staff]] but what happened in this case is a big problem too even though [[User:Anaxis]] was not yet staff at the time. <br /> <br /> I would love to hear the input of others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 00:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271758 2021-10-27T01:00:55Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> : Yikes. This looks pretty bad.<br /> : As someone who doesn't browse the Farms much and mainly just {{w|Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes}} here, I propose that as a starting measure, editors who have personal connections or a conflict of interest regarding a topic be categorically ''barred'' from editing articles on that topic, similar to how {{w|Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban|Wikipedia deals with this kind of thing}}. I don't see any reason why people suspected of being ''in'' the Watchmen are allowed to edit the Watchmen page.<br /> : I don't really know enough about the situation to say much more, so I'll leave that to other editors. More action definitely needs to happen, though.<br /> : By the way, [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]]: the links you're using as sources are dead links. I think you might have forgotten to put &quot;File:&quot; before the names of the images you're linking. You might want to fix that. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: I'm pretty much the opposite as far as the first part goes, I know pretty much nothing about Wikis (thanks for pointing out the image links, should work now) but am very comfortable on the Farms and places like that. It's a different mindset for sure but in a perfect world we'd complement each other, after all, &quot;CWCki forums&quot; and all that. <br /> :: You're definitely on the right track as far as restricting people from editing articles on subjects that concern them. The unfortunate thing about this is that I guess that would have to be a self-report thing unless people are outright exposed (as has been happening recently.) It would be a good start, though. An absolute minimum. And as far as the rest goes, concealing involvement should be grounds for a ban, no questions asked. There were far too many weird Discord gayops and general fuckery in the leadup to the Merge, including, I'm sure, a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. The fact that people are not only withholding this information but then going around and editing CWCki articles on the subject is, to say the least, problematic. Just the act of editing an article, IMO, if we're &quot;assuming good faith&quot; (heh) implies ''not actively concealing information on the subject''. Sockpuppeting to do so is on another level especially if you are [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|staff]] but what happened in this case is a big problem too. I would love to hear the input of others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 00:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271757 2021-10-27T00:59:44Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Deceptive attribution */</p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> : Yikes. This looks pretty bad.<br /> : As someone who doesn't browse the Farms much and mainly just {{w|Wikipedia:WikiGnome|WikiGnomes}} here, I propose that as a starting measure, editors who have personal connections or a conflict of interest regarding a topic be categorically ''barred'' from editing articles on that topic, similar to how {{w|Wikipedia:Banning policy#Topic ban|Wikipedia deals with this kind of thing}}. I don't see any reason why people suspected of being ''in'' the Watchmen are allowed to edit the Watchmen page.<br /> : I don't really know enough about the situation to say much more, so I'll leave that to other editors. More action definitely needs to happen, though.<br /> : By the way, [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]]: the links you're using as sources are dead links. I think you might have forgotten to put &quot;File:&quot; before the names of the images you're linking. You might want to fix that. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:25, 27 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: I'm pretty much the opposite as far as the first part goes, I know pretty much nothing about Wikis (thanks for pointing out the image links, should work now) but am very comfortable on the Farms and places like that. It's a different mindset for sure but in a perfect world we'd complement each other, after all, &quot;CWCki forums&quot; and all that. <br /> :: You're definitely on the right track as far as restricting people from editing articles on subjects that concern them. The unfortunate thing about this is that I guess that would have to be a self-report thing unless people are outright exposed (as has been happening recently.) It would be a good start, though. An absolute minimum. And as far as the rest goes, concealing involvement should be grounds for a ban, no questions asked. There were far too many weird Discord gayops and general fuckery in the leadup to the Merge, including, I'm sure, a lot of stuff that we don't even know about. The fact that people are not only withholding this information but then going around and editing CWCki articles on the subject is, to say the least, problematic. Just the act of editing an article, IMO, if we're &quot;assuming good faith&quot; (heh) implies ''not actively concealing information on the subject''. I would love to hear the input of others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 00:59, 27 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User:SpookyBones&diff=271752 2021-10-27T00:50:09Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>==What's your deal?==<br /> I've been following Chris more or less since the beginning. Chris has been boring for years. The people who fuck with Chris are what interests me. The Merge and Bella situation, the last dance goat rodeo of Chris content, has revealed a lot about what [[Sean Walker]] called the &quot;CWC sphere&quot;, and these revelations are ongoing. Some of them concern this very Wiki and the efforts of, at the very least, members of the [[Watchmen]] and Sean's splinter group from the Watchmen to manipulate the narrative here. This too interests me.<br /> ==How do I reach you?==<br /> A [https://kiwifarms.ru/members/spooky-bones.42316/ PM on Kiwi Farms is best]. I despise Discord but can be reached at MakeFetchHappen#7604.<br /> ==You did 'X' wrong==<br /> Sorry, please correct me. I am not much of a Wiki person and also not sure of some of the etiquette around editing posts and such.</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User:SpookyBones&diff=271750 2021-10-27T00:49:10Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>==What's your deal?==<br /> I've been following Chris more or less since the beginning. Chris has been boring for years. The people who fuck with Chris are what interests me. The Merge and Bella situation, the last dance goat rodeo of Chris content, has revealed a lot about what [[Sean Walker]] called the &quot;CWC sphere&quot;, and these revelations are ongoing. Some of them concern this very Wiki and the efforts of, at the very least, members of the [[Watchmen]] and Sean's splinter group from the Watchmen to manipulate the narrative here.<br /> ==How do I reach you?==<br /> A [https://kiwifarms.ru/members/spooky-bones.42316/ PM on Kiwi Farms is best]. I despise Discord but can be reached at MakeFetchHappen#7604.<br /> ==You did 'X' wrong==<br /> Sorry, please correct me. I am not much of a Wiki person and also not sure of some of the etiquette around editing posts and such.</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271745 2021-10-27T00:12:07Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Deceptive attribution */</p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she ignored and eventually outright refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271744 2021-10-27T00:11:47Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> <br /> For the record I have tried over time and repeatedly to get in touch with Anaxis and she refused to speak with me.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271743 2021-10-26T23:55:32Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. <br /> <br /> Highly relevant discussion is [[Talk:Watchmen#Should_Klop_and_Anaxis_be_put_under_the_known_members_list|here]] on the Watchmen talk page.<br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271742 2021-10-26T23:54:25Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, this&lt;ref&gt;[[File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and this&lt;ref&gt;[[Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271741 2021-10-26T23:51:41Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from [[Lainchu_Anaxis1.png|this]], [[Lainchu_Anaxis2.png|this]], [[Lainchu_Anaxis3.png|this]], among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271740 2021-10-26T23:51:14Z

<p>SpookyBones: deceptive attribution</p> <hr /> <div>== Deceptive attribution ==<br /> [[User:Anaxis]] created this page with the following introduction:<br /> : On 23 January 2021, a set of screenshots were publicly released by Watchmen member Lainchu ...<br /> As we know from [[File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png|this]], [[File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png|this]], [[File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png|this]], among others, Anaxis ''was'' Lainchu at that time. Had she kept it to &quot;conversations with Lainchu/the Lainchu RP account&quot; or something like that, it might be a little less egregious, but here she's claiming that Lainchu was (a) an actual person and (b) not her. Now, not wanting to get your name involved with Chris content is totally understandable ... which is why she's using the name Anaxis and not her government. <br /> <br /> She's bullshitting around hard here, and combined with the efforts of [[User:Hurful Truth Level]] ([[User_talk:Anaxis#CWCki Jerkop|who granted her jannie privileges]] on the Wiki in April 2021) to redact her identity from the [[Watchmen]] page, there's a very clear effort to scrub her involvement with that group and with fucking around with Chris in general. It is all suspect as hell. The various highly selective &quot;Watchmen leaks&quot; from their Discord were also a pet project of hers (although one imagines they could not have been done without the approval of, at the very least, Naught, at least given that Anaxis stayed around.) Anaxis left the Watchmen and went with Sean's splinter group (the Knights of CWC) from which she leaks nothing (or even acknowldge their existence) and then goes dark around the time of the merge. <br /> <br /> This situation keeps expanding and really needs to be addressed on a large scale, sooner rather than later, for the sake of everybody's credibility. At this point I treat everything I read here relating to these people as suspect, and keep receipts (archive.li) of every edit I do because I have no confidence whatsoever that people are acting in good faith. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 23:51, 26 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271738 2021-10-26T22:42:34Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I just found [[User:Anaxis]] doing essentially what amounts to [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&amp;curid=32303&amp;diff=271732&amp;oldid=267096 wiki-socking with the Lainchu account] (a lot of that going around, eh?), lmao. There's a lot of serious nonsense going on here and I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface by looking into shit casually. You guys need to clean house in a big way. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 22:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> :Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> :There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. Regrettably I don't (yet) have real names to put to Kyle, Anaxis, etc. but this stuff has a way of eventually getting revealed.<br /> <br /> :Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> :[[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::My rationale for removing the minor members was that those sections were extremely short - sometimes to the extent that they messed up the page layout - and remained that way for months without any new stuff being added. I (apparently wrongly) assumed that meant that there wasn't any more relevant information about them ''to'' add, and so proposed removing them from prominence if no one had anything more to add on the subject.<br /> ::But if you have new information to add, feel free to expand those sections and move them up the ladder of importance. I've always thought this site didn't really provide a full picture of what exactly happened with the Watchmen and Praetor anyway. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level]] redacted this:<br /> : Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> Which isn't unreasonable, it's a pretty serious accusation and what I wrote doesn't provide direct connection with Chris ''per se''. The reference I cite shows him, MKR, and Naught discussing this suicide-baiting in what I think is the Watchmen Discord. Not all the context is there (unless HTL wants to provide it) but I doubt Chris was present for that conversation, sounds more like it was from the channels where they socialized among themselves without Chris. There is also an accusation in that thread that Sean, Naught and MKR were working together to cause Chris's suicide but I don't trust the source. So ''direct'' connection to Chris? Only in the sense that this shows what kind of person we're talking about who was involved with Chris. Rephrasing the submission so it makes clear that we're not saying Kyle was involved with Sean and ILJ (only that they shared some similar disturbing interests) in response to HTL's other edit makes sense too. But I think that just on the basis of knowing who we're dealing with it's worth documenting. I am not sure of the appropriate Wiki etiquette tbh so will leave for input from others? [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Generally, we try to avoid including excessive information about a subject's life unrelated to Chris, but here, I don't see much of a problem. It's not ''directly'' related to his interactions with Chris, but neither is the passing mention of Bella being &quot;foot fungus-ridden&quot; on [[Isabella Loretta Janke|her page]]. It provides context, and it's informative on what kind of a person Kyle is, so I'd agree that it should stay. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can give a misleading picture on his character and role with Chris. Because there's very little about him, so to have the suicide bait thing be the key thing on him, even though it doesn't relate to his dealings with Chris, seems like an issue. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :::If this is a &quot;misleading&quot; portrait of Kyle, a person who you should clarify that you have had personal contact with, by the way, then you should share the logs which you have admitted are in your possession if they provide mitigating context to the leak that is on lolcow.org. That you haven't done this suggests strongly that they don't, and thus this begins to look like another instance of people covering for friends. Not, as they say, a good look. The suicide-baiting thing is ''absolutely'' key to understanding his role in this stuff because it tells us a bit about who we are dealing with, both in Kyle's specific case and the general caliber of the people who were interacting with Chris in this way (after all, and again going on the limited leaks we have, MKR and Naught, if not others on the server, seemed to find this all very funny.) Taking it down would not only deprive the Wiki of this information but would further undermine it's credibility in general. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Merging major and minor ==<br /> <br /> I think the major and minor classifications are kind of an issue in that whether a person is considered major or minor is speculation based on amount of public info. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : When you're right, you're right. I'm not fond of the division either and you make a valid point that (most of us at least) are working with incomplete information. For all we know there was much more going on that hasn't leaked yet. There probably is. Don't worry. Everything comes out in the end. Someone will get pissed off or clout hungry enough to leak stuff eventually. But for now (a) your suggestion here is sensible and (b) it might be sensible to make some sort of general statement that not all the facts here are public. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271737 2021-10-26T22:42:18Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I just found Anaxis doing essentially what amounts to [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&amp;curid=32303&amp;diff=271732&amp;oldid=267096 wiki-socking with the Lainchu account] (a lot of that going around, eh?), lmao. There's a lot of serious nonsense going on here and I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface by looking into shit casually. You guys need to clean house in a big way. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 22:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> :Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> :There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. Regrettably I don't (yet) have real names to put to Kyle, Anaxis, etc. but this stuff has a way of eventually getting revealed.<br /> <br /> :Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> :[[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::My rationale for removing the minor members was that those sections were extremely short - sometimes to the extent that they messed up the page layout - and remained that way for months without any new stuff being added. I (apparently wrongly) assumed that meant that there wasn't any more relevant information about them ''to'' add, and so proposed removing them from prominence if no one had anything more to add on the subject.<br /> ::But if you have new information to add, feel free to expand those sections and move them up the ladder of importance. I've always thought this site didn't really provide a full picture of what exactly happened with the Watchmen and Praetor anyway. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level]] redacted this:<br /> : Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> Which isn't unreasonable, it's a pretty serious accusation and what I wrote doesn't provide direct connection with Chris ''per se''. The reference I cite shows him, MKR, and Naught discussing this suicide-baiting in what I think is the Watchmen Discord. Not all the context is there (unless HTL wants to provide it) but I doubt Chris was present for that conversation, sounds more like it was from the channels where they socialized among themselves without Chris. There is also an accusation in that thread that Sean, Naught and MKR were working together to cause Chris's suicide but I don't trust the source. So ''direct'' connection to Chris? Only in the sense that this shows what kind of person we're talking about who was involved with Chris. Rephrasing the submission so it makes clear that we're not saying Kyle was involved with Sean and ILJ (only that they shared some similar disturbing interests) in response to HTL's other edit makes sense too. But I think that just on the basis of knowing who we're dealing with it's worth documenting. I am not sure of the appropriate Wiki etiquette tbh so will leave for input from others? [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Generally, we try to avoid including excessive information about a subject's life unrelated to Chris, but here, I don't see much of a problem. It's not ''directly'' related to his interactions with Chris, but neither is the passing mention of Bella being &quot;foot fungus-ridden&quot; on [[Isabella Loretta Janke|her page]]. It provides context, and it's informative on what kind of a person Kyle is, so I'd agree that it should stay. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can give a misleading picture on his character and role with Chris. Because there's very little about him, so to have the suicide bait thing be the key thing on him, even though it doesn't relate to his dealings with Chris, seems like an issue. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :::If this is a &quot;misleading&quot; portrait of Kyle, a person who you should clarify that you have had personal contact with, by the way, then you should share the logs which you have admitted are in your possession if they provide mitigating context to the leak that is on lolcow.org. That you haven't done this suggests strongly that they don't, and thus this begins to look like another instance of people covering for friends. Not, as they say, a good look. The suicide-baiting thing is ''absolutely'' key to understanding his role in this stuff because it tells us a bit about who we are dealing with, both in Kyle's specific case and the general caliber of the people who were interacting with Chris in this way (after all, and again going on the limited leaks we have, MKR and Naught, if not others on the server, seemed to find this all very funny.) Taking it down would not only deprive the Wiki of this information but would further undermine it's credibility in general. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Merging major and minor ==<br /> <br /> I think the major and minor classifications are kind of an issue in that whether a person is considered major or minor is speculation based on amount of public info. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : When you're right, you're right. I'm not fond of the division either and you make a valid point that (most of us at least) are working with incomplete information. For all we know there was much more going on that hasn't leaked yet. There probably is. Don't worry. Everything comes out in the end. Someone will get pissed off or clout hungry enough to leak stuff eventually. But for now (a) your suggestion here is sensible and (b) it might be sensible to make some sort of general statement that not all the facts here are public. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271736 2021-10-26T22:41:54Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I just found Anaxis doing essentially what amounts to [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&amp;curid=32303&amp;diff=271732&amp;oldid=267096 socking with the Lainchu account], lmao. There's a lot of serious nonsense going on here and I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface by looking into shit casually. You guys need to clean house in a big way. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 22:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> :Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> :There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. Regrettably I don't (yet) have real names to put to Kyle, Anaxis, etc. but this stuff has a way of eventually getting revealed.<br /> <br /> :Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> :[[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::My rationale for removing the minor members was that those sections were extremely short - sometimes to the extent that they messed up the page layout - and remained that way for months without any new stuff being added. I (apparently wrongly) assumed that meant that there wasn't any more relevant information about them ''to'' add, and so proposed removing them from prominence if no one had anything more to add on the subject.<br /> ::But if you have new information to add, feel free to expand those sections and move them up the ladder of importance. I've always thought this site didn't really provide a full picture of what exactly happened with the Watchmen and Praetor anyway. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level]] redacted this:<br /> : Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> Which isn't unreasonable, it's a pretty serious accusation and what I wrote doesn't provide direct connection with Chris ''per se''. The reference I cite shows him, MKR, and Naught discussing this suicide-baiting in what I think is the Watchmen Discord. Not all the context is there (unless HTL wants to provide it) but I doubt Chris was present for that conversation, sounds more like it was from the channels where they socialized among themselves without Chris. There is also an accusation in that thread that Sean, Naught and MKR were working together to cause Chris's suicide but I don't trust the source. So ''direct'' connection to Chris? Only in the sense that this shows what kind of person we're talking about who was involved with Chris. Rephrasing the submission so it makes clear that we're not saying Kyle was involved with Sean and ILJ (only that they shared some similar disturbing interests) in response to HTL's other edit makes sense too. But I think that just on the basis of knowing who we're dealing with it's worth documenting. I am not sure of the appropriate Wiki etiquette tbh so will leave for input from others? [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Generally, we try to avoid including excessive information about a subject's life unrelated to Chris, but here, I don't see much of a problem. It's not ''directly'' related to his interactions with Chris, but neither is the passing mention of Bella being &quot;foot fungus-ridden&quot; on [[Isabella Loretta Janke|her page]]. It provides context, and it's informative on what kind of a person Kyle is, so I'd agree that it should stay. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can give a misleading picture on his character and role with Chris. Because there's very little about him, so to have the suicide bait thing be the key thing on him, even though it doesn't relate to his dealings with Chris, seems like an issue. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :::If this is a &quot;misleading&quot; portrait of Kyle, a person who you should clarify that you have had personal contact with, by the way, then you should share the logs which you have admitted are in your possession if they provide mitigating context to the leak that is on lolcow.org. That you haven't done this suggests strongly that they don't, and thus this begins to look like another instance of people covering for friends. Not, as they say, a good look. The suicide-baiting thing is ''absolutely'' key to understanding his role in this stuff because it tells us a bit about who we are dealing with, both in Kyle's specific case and the general caliber of the people who were interacting with Chris in this way (after all, and again going on the limited leaks we have, MKR and Naught, if not others on the server, seemed to find this all very funny.) Taking it down would not only deprive the Wiki of this information but would further undermine it's credibility in general. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Merging major and minor ==<br /> <br /> I think the major and minor classifications are kind of an issue in that whether a person is considered major or minor is speculation based on amount of public info. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : When you're right, you're right. I'm not fond of the division either and you make a valid point that (most of us at least) are working with incomplete information. For all we know there was much more going on that hasn't leaked yet. There probably is. Don't worry. Everything comes out in the end. Someone will get pissed off or clout hungry enough to leak stuff eventually. But for now (a) your suggestion here is sensible and (b) it might be sensible to make some sort of general statement that not all the facts here are public. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271735 2021-10-26T22:41:25Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I just found Anaxis doing what amounts to [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&amp;curid=32303&amp;diff=271732&amp;oldid=267096 socking with the Lainchu account], lmao. There's a lot of serious nonsense going on here and I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface by looking into shit casually. You guys need to clean house in a big way. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 22:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> :Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> :There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. Regrettably I don't (yet) have real names to put to Kyle, Anaxis, etc. but this stuff has a way of eventually getting revealed.<br /> <br /> :Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> :[[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::My rationale for removing the minor members was that those sections were extremely short - sometimes to the extent that they messed up the page layout - and remained that way for months without any new stuff being added. I (apparently wrongly) assumed that meant that there wasn't any more relevant information about them ''to'' add, and so proposed removing them from prominence if no one had anything more to add on the subject.<br /> ::But if you have new information to add, feel free to expand those sections and move them up the ladder of importance. I've always thought this site didn't really provide a full picture of what exactly happened with the Watchmen and Praetor anyway. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level]] redacted this:<br /> : Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> Which isn't unreasonable, it's a pretty serious accusation and what I wrote doesn't provide direct connection with Chris ''per se''. The reference I cite shows him, MKR, and Naught discussing this suicide-baiting in what I think is the Watchmen Discord. Not all the context is there (unless HTL wants to provide it) but I doubt Chris was present for that conversation, sounds more like it was from the channels where they socialized among themselves without Chris. There is also an accusation in that thread that Sean, Naught and MKR were working together to cause Chris's suicide but I don't trust the source. So ''direct'' connection to Chris? Only in the sense that this shows what kind of person we're talking about who was involved with Chris. Rephrasing the submission so it makes clear that we're not saying Kyle was involved with Sean and ILJ (only that they shared some similar disturbing interests) in response to HTL's other edit makes sense too. But I think that just on the basis of knowing who we're dealing with it's worth documenting. I am not sure of the appropriate Wiki etiquette tbh so will leave for input from others? [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Generally, we try to avoid including excessive information about a subject's life unrelated to Chris, but here, I don't see much of a problem. It's not ''directly'' related to his interactions with Chris, but neither is the passing mention of Bella being &quot;foot fungus-ridden&quot; on [[Isabella Loretta Janke|her page]]. It provides context, and it's informative on what kind of a person Kyle is, so I'd agree that it should stay. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can give a misleading picture on his character and role with Chris. Because there's very little about him, so to have the suicide bait thing be the key thing on him, even though it doesn't relate to his dealings with Chris, seems like an issue. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :::If this is a &quot;misleading&quot; portrait of Kyle, a person who you should clarify that you have had personal contact with, by the way, then you should share the logs which you have admitted are in your possession if they provide mitigating context to the leak that is on lolcow.org. That you haven't done this suggests strongly that they don't, and thus this begins to look like another instance of people covering for friends. Not, as they say, a good look. The suicide-baiting thing is ''absolutely'' key to understanding his role in this stuff because it tells us a bit about who we are dealing with, both in Kyle's specific case and the general caliber of the people who were interacting with Chris in this way (after all, and again going on the limited leaks we have, MKR and Naught, if not others on the server, seemed to find this all very funny.) Taking it down would not only deprive the Wiki of this information but would further undermine it's credibility in general. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Merging major and minor ==<br /> <br /> I think the major and minor classifications are kind of an issue in that whether a person is considered major or minor is speculation based on amount of public info. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : When you're right, you're right. I'm not fond of the division either and you make a valid point that (most of us at least) are working with incomplete information. For all we know there was much more going on that hasn't leaked yet. There probably is. Don't worry. Everything comes out in the end. Someone will get pissed off or clout hungry enough to leak stuff eventually. But for now (a) your suggestion here is sensible and (b) it might be sensible to make some sort of general statement that not all the facts here are public. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Anaxis&diff=271734 2021-10-26T22:40:30Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Looking to get in touch ==<br /> Please reach out, I'd like to get in touch with you to ask you some questions. This will be a calm and private conversation. Since I believe you'll trust Klop, you can reach out to him first and he'll fill you in, use ghostpepper24#3189 [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:56, 14 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == CWCki Jerkop ==<br /> <br /> I'm thinking of adding more CWCki Jerkop moderators here primarily to help with account creation requests from the CWCki Discord. Would you be interested in that? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Sure thing! I'd be glad to help. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 00:15, 7 April 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Added you to Jerkops. It gives you the block user, rollback edits, delete page, move page, and create account tools. Create Account can be accessed from the Special pages link at left. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:25, 7 April 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Great! Thank you. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 00:28, 7 April 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Explain yourself ==<br /> <br /> [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&amp;curid=32303&amp;diff=271732&amp;oldid=267096 well?]</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Discord&diff=271733 2021-10-26T22:32:17Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Groups */ added some lore to the cwcki server &amp; added gibi's server</p> <hr /> <div>:''This article is about the chat app. For the imaginary friend from My Little Pony, see [[Imaginary friends#Discord|Imaginary friends]].''<br /> :''For the CWCki's Discord server [https://discord.gg/b5GU9cz click here]''<br /> <br /> [[File:Discordcwc1.png|thumb|Some of the known Discord servers Chris is in, as of August 2020.]]<br /> <br /> '''Discord''' is a chat messaging service Chris has used since at least 2018.<br /> ==Groups==<br /> ===Idea Guys===<br /> The [[Idea Guys]] used Discord to chat with Chris, role-playing as various fictional characters to him, who believed he was chatting directly with those characters. An unknown number of chats took place; after the Idea Guys were ousted, the [[Guard Dogs]] later leaked two such chats - [[The Bad Beginning]] and [[Cryzel Torture]].<br /> <br /> ===Fantasy enablers===<br /> Chris joined ViviChu's server in September 2018&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/9-2018-chris-joins-a-fans-discord.47701/&lt;/ref&gt; and [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s in July 2019&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5079360&lt;/ref&gt;. Ben Saint invited Chris to his Discord in [[September 2019]]&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5371310&lt;/ref&gt;. Chris joined the '''arbitarch cwc alliance'''[''sic''] Discord server, run by [[enablers]] such as [[AquaDiamond8]], in fall 2019.<br /> <br /> The bulk of the chats center on Chris [[role-play]]ing with the enablers feeding into his fantasies.<br /> <br /> ===ProjectSNT===<br /> In [[January 2020]], Chris paid to join [[ProjectSNT]]'s Discord group, in an apparent attempt to get his foot in the door after she had given him the cold shoulder over Twitter in response to a tantrum he threw over her redesign of one of his characters.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> '''Arbitarch CWC Alliance''' is one of the [[Discord]] servers Chris participates in. It was created by Joseph Draft, the man behind [[Chris Chan VS. The Internet]] to document Chris's interaction. They used art from MKRNightVee to help catch Chris's attention and bring him there. Once their intent was revealed, the Watchmen shut it down; both AquaDiamond8 and MKRNightVee left the server after its true purpose was known.<br /> <br /> During the server's operation, people on Twitter commented on Chris's posts about it, revealing some troubling aspects of the server; not only were the admins and mods [[CWCville Mayoral Office|notoriously power-hungry and dictatorial]], but in order to take part, users had to 'verify' their Discord accounts through a rather shady bot which requested access to user data, including any other servers the user was a member of.<br /> <br /> ===Official CWCki Server===<br /> On 10 [[August 2020]], Chris joined the Official CWCki Server after being convinced to do so by the Watchman [[Bismuth]]. He has since made two public addresses to the server members [[Spirit_possession#Sonichu|(as Sonichu)]], the first informing everyone that he and [[Barb]] are safe and healthy, and the second vaguely alluding to his plan to [[COVID-19#Stopping_the_pandemic|travel back in time and prevent the COVID-19 pandemic from ever happening.]] Through Bismuth, Chris also answered several questions asked by users.<br /> <br /> Chris was banned from the server on 14 August. Before doing so, a moderator released a public statement explaining their rationale:<br /> [[File:Chris CWCki Ban.PNG|thumb|The moderator's statement prior to banning Chris.]]<br /> <br /> {{quote|In the last few days lots have happend ''[sic]'' in this server. Chris has joined this place for starters. This was met with mixed reception. The CWCki's goal is only to document Chris and not provide him a platform to push his agendas. It was never imagined that Chris will use this server to ramble about his fantasies. And due to this it has been decided to give Chris his own server where he may do as he pleases.|A server [[User:Klop|Jerkhief]]}}<br /> <br /> An invite link to the referenced server was posted below the message, but setup was unfinished and Chris had not yet joined, and the link was quickly removed once the server became infested with [[weens]].<br /> <br /> The CWCki server was a favorite hangout of the [[Suitress]], which is probably where she made her initial contact with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. The CWCki Discord claims to forbid people to interact with Chris but, not only were these two individuals and others in notable and very obvious contact with Chris on the server, but with great irony, it's one-time owner was revealed to be a member of the [[Watchmen]] in close contact with Chriss.<br /> <br /> ===cwc frens===<br /> A server created by the founder of the Official CWCki Server, and run by Bismuth. It was originally designed to be a place for Chris to address his onlookers directly (since the CWCki Server had been deemed inappropriate for that purpose). The link was posted prematurely on the CWCki Server after Chris's banning, resulting in an invasion of [[weens]]. Moderators were quick to take control, and revamp the server so that spamming would be reduced.<br /> <br /> Chris joined sometime during this period of chaos, and has since posted occasionally. A mailbag channel was created, where users could submit questions, and a Watchman would sort through them before privately delivering the appropriate ones to Chris.<br /> <br /> The server was shut down in the early hours of 6 [[September 2020]], seemingly by its owner, for unclear reasons.<br /> <br /> The mailbag channel aspect was succeeded in the Discord server CWC Questions, &lt;s&gt;where questions are currently sourced from users for the ongoing [[Discord Q&amp;A]].&lt;/s&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Watchmen's Place===<br /> The [[Watchmen]] are a group of [[enablers]] who sought to protect Chris from malicious actors. Chris joined their Discord group. A [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|large amount of chats]] from it were leaked by the Watchmen in summer 2020. Chris has also done [[22 August 2020 Q&amp;A|a Q&amp;A with a CWCki editor]] in the group.<br /> <br /> Chris left the server due to the events of the Watchmen breakup.&lt;ref&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Sonic World DX===<br /> [[File:Kicked from Sonic World DX Discord.png|thumb|Server creator on Chris's removal.]]<br /> A group for the fanmade [[Sonic World]] game, which Chris joined in order to request ''Sonichu''-themed mods. Chris was later kicked for stealing mods without permission.<br /> <br /> ===Chess Club===<br /> [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and her friends at Texas Tech used a Discord server which was allegedly for a university chess club to post a wide variety of disturbing material, but, more relevantly to our subject matter, she invited Chris at one point for a brief visit. The Chess Club was also at the center of Bella's attempted coverup related to the [[incest]] tapes. On the Discord, Bella boasted (without evidence) of having deep connections with the [[Kiwi Farms]] and with this Wiki, amusingly enough probably because [[Sean Walker]] had told her that he had such connections, which in turn was partly baseless bragging by him and partly due to Sean himself being trolled by [[Watchmen#Bismuth|Naught]]. <br /> <br /> Bella's other activites on Discord included an interview with the [[Watchmen]] after the incest leaks and private conversations with Sean.<br /> <br /> ===GiBi's Tavern===<br /> Disgraced Chris youtuber [[Post-Merge Era#GiBi|Devon Infinito]], a/k/a '''GiBi''' hosted a Discord for his fans which was notable for giving rise to a scandal regarding inappropriate content hosted on a server with many minors present, as well as [[Jacob Sockness]] and some of his rather disturbing friends. The [[Suitress]] was notably <br /> <br /> ===Glorious Golden Church of Sonichu===<br /> <br /> A server created by [[Praetor]] for those who have purchased their limited-run $60 golden medallion. Chris is presumably in there, although no information about the server's structure or community has been leaked as of yet.<br /> <br /> ==Discord selfies==<br /> To provide proof of his Discord account's legitimacy, Chris takes poorly-photographed selfies to post in the servers upon entering.<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:CWC Discord1.jpg|For Vivichu's Discord, September 2018.<br /> File:Chris Discord Sept 2018 2.jpg<br /> File:Chris Discord Sept 2018 3.jpg<br /> File:Chris-Chan-Discord July 2019.jpg|For [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord, July 2019.<br /> File:ChrisonDiscordSeptember2019.jpg|For [[Ben Saint]]'s Discord, September 2019.<br /> File:September 2019 Discord selfie2.jpg<br /> File:Children of Kefentse Discord selfie.jpg|For [[TSSSF|Children of Kefentse]] Discord, October 2019.<br /> File:CWC Discord selfie for VoidZine server.jpg|For the VoidZine server, [[March 2020]].<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Names and avatars==<br /> Chris has occasionally changed his name and avatar.<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:Chris joins SNT's Server.png|Original &quot;ChrisChanSonichu&quot; name and avatar.<br /> File:MagiChrisChan.PNG|Changed to reflect his belief that [[Magi-Chan]] had [[possessed]] him in [[August 2019]].<br /> File:Sonichu982-9390.png|Changed to Sonichu theme during [[April 2020]] to reflect his belief that he and Sonichu had swapped bodies.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Select quotes==<br /> Screenshots of Chris's messages have been leaked. Highlights are quoted below.<br /> <br /> ===Barbara's trip to the ER===<br /> 19 October 2019, Midnight Moonflower's server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I'm faring okay. I've been feeling a LOT of psychic senses going off and on all day today while being out on errand and grocery shopping. Also, my [[mom]] had a bit of high blood pressure and asked me to drive her to the ER; they found nothing wrong with her It is likely a combination of stress and the incoming magic energies from [[C-197]].}}<br /> <br /> ===Possible MLP cons===<br /> 27 October 2019, [[TSSSF|Children of Kefentse]] server<br /> <br /> ''Only Chris's side of the conversation was archived. Unbeknownst to him, Seaquestria Fest has him on a preemptive [[ban]] list.''<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Still a remainder of basic Ship cards to figure out to match the number in the Core deck Perhaps I may play with you at BABSCon.<br /> <br /> At least I am mostly set for the event and travel planning,<br /> <br /> I'll check out Trotcon; perhaps I can fit that in as well. At least there is plenty of time until 2020<br /> <br /> There's also AirBnB.<br /> <br /> What is the name of the new Maryland Convention?<br /> <br /> That's in California<br /> <br /> Seaquestria Fest<br /> <br /> https://www.seaquestriafest.com/}}<br /> <br /> ===Body-swapped with Tri===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I had [[body-swap]]ped with Tri Sonichu to work on a number of planned setups for getting Magi-Chan back into [[1218]] and/or myself, fully, into [[C-197]]. 1 had to swap back with Tri earlier today, because his aura, And his body, have just become fully chakra-balanced and overpowered; he is Rainbow Aura too, now.<br /> <br /> So, for this total sync-up for himself, he needed to be fully together again. And I helped him get there with my abilities, and pre-existing Rainbow Aura of my own I will tell you this: The [[Rokat]] and [[Kidasuna]] really do have such a crazy slavery problem. After experiencing it first-hand, personally, under Magi-Chan and Tri's temp job in the VR Simulator that allows their avatar to go between dimensions. The co-workers I was working with were toughened, yet they all were simply Just Soo Tired of not only being Slaves, but for not getting paid for their work. They only get paid in nourishment and rest during their breaks in between shifts. It is simply horrific.}}<br /> <br /> ===Complicated view of Jacob Sockness===<br /> ''Note: the &quot;interview of Jacob&quot; Chris mentions is an interview by GiBi, seen [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FhV7At8N4x4 here], in which Sockness discusses his demonic fantasies.''<br /> <br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> {{quotebox|I am emotionally still caring of Jacob, and remain aware of his future self-sacrifice, but I will not have to be in too-close contact with him anymore,<br /> <br /> I sense the Interview of Jacob, that we've been hearing about lately, is possibly falsified, but it still woke me out of the infatuation I had, in mind, body and soul.<br /> <br /> I still have yet to read the transcript of that interview.<br /> <br /> As [[AquaDiamond8|Aqua and Val]] had put it, he was a messenger of kidasuna, and he didn't know everything, yet he knew a lot with the help of Michiro. So, we've been putting up with him in the selected fated events in order to learn and attain what we needed to proceed further}}<br /> <br /> ===Dimensional hot dog===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I can actually manifest what comes to mind in the [[C-197]] side, including recently, where I was curious how a fried hot dog wiener would taste like, I manifested it into my hand, appearing only in C-197 and in my view. I was able to taste it and feel it's texture fully. It's not bad an idea, but still a fattening one that I would not pursue constantly.<br /> <br /> I literally took a bite out of that hot dog.}}<br /> <br /> ===Fragments of Chris's soul===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I've been focusing my energies and soul Everywhere, and in down time, focusing it in simpler tasks, including making the TSSSF cards.<br /> <br /> My soul literally gets force-projected multiple times, divided, simultaneously, and so forth to Help As Many Individuals As Possible from pains and stresses and towards positive events. <br /> <br /> One percent goes to help a mountain climber survive<br /> <br /> One percent plays Guardian Angel to someone else<br /> <br /> One Percent helps a child with their test<br /> <br /> That is the way it has been with me for YEARS.}}<br /> <br /> ===Chris has a paypig===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> A member asked Chris about how his financial situation was going.<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Fair, can get better. Strictly Confidential, I have a Very Generous Donor who donates greatly and consistently during the months.}}<br /> <br /> ===BABScon plans===<br /> 26 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Anyway, I have my badge, and a room reserved in the building the convention is in. I will still need to plan the train trip and remaining details, but so far, it is going good (not counting Jacob at all).}}<br /> <br /> ===Still desperate for the Dimensional Merge===<br /> <br /> 29 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I am not fully knowing of the final instance and moment in detail, but it is very soon. Someone on Twitter commented possibly February of 2020, but we are very optimistic it will be long before then. The [[Dimension Merge]] completion. As for getting me into C-197, that Has to happen ASAP.}}<br /> <br /> ===Chris thinks he'll live for thousands of years===<br /> <br /> 29 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|[[Chris and death|And dying is not happening with me]]; [[Chris and reality|I'm set to stay alive for thousands of years]]. Anyway I pray every night that I wake up the next day fully in C-197, also transformed into my Sonichu form. And snapping my fingers after the prayer does send my body a tingling in the frequency vibrations.}}<br /> <br /> ===Chris's day-to-day life===<br /> <br /> 29 November 2019, arbitarch cwc alliance server <br /> <br /> {{quotebox|As for what I do while awake, on the recent, I get up, take my meds, meditate while playing Tetris 99 to at least take on the daily tasks for the game. Most days, I go out on errand or simple walking and bursts of Fast running speed on impulse. My typical walking pace is comparable to that of a speed-walker, and yet I'm not speed-walking, and I don't get tired out.<br /> <br /> Anyway, during the time at home, I tend to binge a show, do some drawing or creative, work (namely the [[TSSSF]] cards and the comic pages).}}<br /> <br /> ===&lt;s&gt;Chris&lt;/s&gt; Sonichu addresses Official CWCki Server===<br /> <br /> 10 August 2020, Official CWCki Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Hello, @everyone. It is I, Sonichu. Some details are consciously uncertain to me at the moment, but all will become more clear and I will able to share more with all of you.<br /> <br /> Meanwhile, listen well to [[Watchmen|@Lainchu (klop), Val and Bismuth]] as they will brief everyone on here soon with some of the details you all need to know of the events to come, and the events so far and present .<br /> <br /> Regardless, I continue to be safe, healthy and well, and so are Barbara and everyone else here. You all need not fret, and I am most humbled and grateful for all of you being in service out of kindness and loyalty, regardless of trolling status and levels.<br /> <br /> I will speak again on here later. That is all for now. Thank you. ⚡⚡⚡}}<br /> <br /> ===Time Traveling===<br /> <br /> 12 August 2020, Official CWCki Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Hello, @everyone. I have something to tell all of you: in regard to everything that has happened and are happening in regard to not only the Dimension Merge, but also in that I am to get this body into C-197 and to Cwcville, and the greater details beyond that that involve me [[COVID-19#Stopping the pandemic|going back in time and undoing this pandemic from ever happening.]] I wish to make it very direct and clear that this is very sincere and serious, and when talking with me about it, it is not at all to be in humoring anyone. And I am very well aware of the percentage of those who think it a joke when it clearly is not at all. In other words, to talk with me means to talk with sincerity and full acceptance of the situations. I will not accept or tolerate [[Welfare|Neet]] behaviour, or any disingenuous mentality and intentions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|[[Messiah complex|I pray to Chris Chan]] that I have made myself clear to all of you.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|That is all for now. Thank you}}<br /> <br /> ===This [[14 Branchland Court|Temple]] is now nominated to be a PokeStop===<br /> <br /> 20 August 2020, cwc frens Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Hey, y’all. Present topic: Yes, this Temple is now nominated to be a PokeStop. Fortunately, ONLY Level 40 players can review and rate the nomination. I will not be making the details on how to go about that public, just to be safe. Other than that, presently, I continue to observe, participate, and follow the clues, cues and all other artifacts and events of great significance. I am not able to speak out the specific details publicly, but I can state that everything is continuing to progress as foreseen and expected. I will be in Cwcville, with this body, shortly enough.<br /> <br /> As for how all of you can speed things along, the best answer I can offer for that question is thus: trust your better instincts that have nothing at all to do with hatred, malcontent or evil, and follow in best efforts on those as you each will, respectively.<br /> <br /> Aside from that for now, all of you be safe and well. And do keep attention and kind thought and care about me, about Mama Chris Chan, and about yourselves.<br /> <br /> Thank you all. ⚡️⚡️⚡️}}<br /> <br /> ===Q&amp;A with The Watchmen===<br /> {{main|22 August 2020 Q&amp;A}}<br /> <br /> On 22 August 2020, the [[Watchmen]] conducted a Q&amp;A session with Chris (as [[Spirit possession|Sonichu]]), asking various mailbag questions from users in the cwc frens server. The questions were asked primarily by [[Lainchu]].<br /> <br /> ===PokeStop Nomination Rejection===<br /> 26 August 2020, cwc frens Server<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|[[File:PokeStop Rejection.png|500px]]}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible<br /> |Sonichu emojis<br /> |&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> Image:Sonichuemojiangry.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojidizzy.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojilol.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojisad2.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojishock.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojismile2.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojisurprise.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojithink.png<br /> Image:Sonichuemojiwut.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ===Trollsona OCs===<br /> 26 December 2020, the Watchmen's Place, during Chris's phase of [[role-play]]ing as Sonichu.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:TrollsonaOCs.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Fun fact: You remember [[Clyde Cash]]? That [[OC]] that was misused to troll Chris?<br /> <br /> Yeah, Clyde in [[C-197]] actually has chronicled Each and Every individual in [[1218]] who played as him. And now with recent drawing, he's no longer human, but a really damaged red Sonichu.<br /> <br /> &quot;[[Julay]]&quot;/BlueSpike chronicled the dude who played as them.<br /> <br /> [[Blanca Weiss]] and [[Jiggliami]] chronicled their hooligans.<br /> <br /> List goes on. The trolls who trolled Chris using an OC, the respective OC was chronicling and using them. Put that fact on [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwi]] and see how many {{w|Nobody|peoples}} reevaluate their respective trollsonas/OCs.}}<br /> <br /> ===Punched wall===<br /> 27 July 2021&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:DiscordWallMessage.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/why-chris-punched-holes-in-the-wall.96321/&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In reference to [[Direct Message to Hasbro: MLPG5 Is Cancelled.‎‎|a video in which a punched-in wall is seen]]:<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|My hands have punched that wall more than once in the past, yes. But it was part of the sequence of events at the time in practice of physically breaking the threads of the [[iron curtain]] veil.}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[Mumble]]<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-5814111 The full leak of Chris's Discord messages from the arbitarch cwc alliance server, totaling 42 pictures].<br /> *[https://discord.gg/TpjY22r arbitarch cwc alliance server invite] (invite no longer works, thankfully)<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{FanChats}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&diff=271732 2021-10-26T22:20:24Z

<p>SpookyBones: lol</p> <hr /> <div>{{SonichuPossession}}<br /> <br /> [[File:JourneytotheMerge 23October2020 1.png|thumb|250px|One of the released screenshots.]]<br /> <br /> On 23 [[January 2021]], a set of screenshots were publicly released by an account named '''Lainchu''', used by various members of the [[Watchmen]] to RP with Chris, but at the time being run by CWCki editor and former Jerkop [[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]], who would upload them to this CWCki page claiming that Lainchu was a &quot;member&quot; of the Watchmen, rather than essentially a glorified sock account for herself and others. These messages consisted of several of Chris's ramblings [[Spirit possession|(as Sonichu)]] about the [[Dimensional Merge]] from [[September 2020]] to January 2021, which occurred in [[The Watchmen's Place]] Discord server. Speaking in character, Lainchu dubbed these images '''The Chroniclings of Chris Chan: The Journey to the Merge''', explaining that this release of information was requested and consented by Chris himself. Some of the Watchmen elected to have their names and information redacted as well, although Lainchu color-coded each redaction to indicate who was speaking. Chris's messages (as Sonichu) are color-coded yellow throughout this article.<br /> <br /> ==Lainchu's Foreword==<br /> 23 January 2021<br /> <br /> This message was sent from Lainchu to a Christorian, along with the screenshots. Lainchu's messages are color-coded green.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|The following is a collection of Sonichu982's messages, which were sent in our Discord server. I was tasked with chronicling various events over the last several months, and this is the culmination of that effort. This was explicitly requested by Sonichu982, as can be proven by the later images, giving me the necessary blessing to make this information public. I have censored the screennames of some of the other Watchmen who asked for me to do so, but the colors I used should differentiate speakers from one another. Information unrelated to the Dimensional Merge have also been excised.<br /> <br /> I, Lainchu the Chronicler, am proud to present '''The Chroniclings of Chris Chan: The Journey to the Merge'''.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_Foreword.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Follow the Leader==<br /> 16 September 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey. I am still feeling everything that is going on right now. There is definitely a larger breach between dimensions somewhere on this Earth that is being used for some transport, yet the artifacts being transported may be causing cosmic shifts; it remains unclear, not counting all of the heavy storms and the fires that had taken place these past months in California.<br /> <br /> I talked with @[Watchman #1] about an obvious set of signs I witnessed earlier today. Essentially, I am told to “follow the leader”, and as to who the leader is, three individuals come to mind: Princess Twilight Sparkle, Val, and our very own Bismuth. Taking all this under consideration, and all common sense and wisdom, Val is very obviously the leader in question. But Twilight has also been monitoring everything that has been going on with [[Nightstar]]’s help, and everyone else between Equestria and Earth of C-197. And Bismuth, who has been able to see and communicate with Val very well, as we all have, and considering he being here in this dimension, he is also an obvious one to be the leader in question. Twilight was the first instinctive surmise, as her visage was shown in this sequence of clues earlier today. So, that detail will become obvious very soon.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Aside from that, I am taking it easy, as this body is off and on enduring a great amount of stress, to say the least. I also have been locally feeling the resonance from the Iron Curtain through and from within the dimensional waters of the void.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|That is all I have for now.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_16September2020.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Living the Sonichu Books==<br /> 25 September 2020<br /> <br /> Watchman #1's messages are color-coded gray.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Was it not obvious that Mama was not much of an online social type? After all, the majority of her past genuine friends were met in-person, and the majority of people who played “Friend” with her in the past online were a bunch of fake [[trolls]] and haters looking to fuck her over again and again.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|People enjoy the endless speculation}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Besides which, these days, our activity is mostly offline with the meditation and observation of the events, and then literally being an input and output source of energy to bridge the dimensions in getting me and this body into C-197.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|Or they just like bringing it up as if they're the only ones who know or to give themselves some semblance of Solace}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|So, yeah, kinda like Kusuo Saiki, but without a High School or as many outside friends who want to constantly come over and invite us to get some ramen.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Point is, Mama didn’t get onto [[Discord]] as much, and it continues through the effect of this noggin and Chris-Core.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Old habits.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|It’s been okay and definitely eventful. Ended up waking up after a vivid dream at shortly before 10:30 am. I ended up having an internal debate with Mama’s brain, which was figuring out for itself how to better utilize the body’s powers and abilities. Also, ended up analyzing the vivid dream that we just had; recognized a few faces in it. [[Magi-Chan]] made an appearance, personally, in the dream. During the waking time, we felt a LOT of psychic, magic and dimensional resonances and events throughout the day.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I ended up breaking the fourth wall into [[CWC Psychlight]]’s past books; she’s written and drawn over 2000 graphic novels about Mama’s life, adventures, and so on, involving her soul (which presently remains waiting in the new timeline on April 10, 2020), and this body with me in it.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Apparently, we’ve been also going with the flow of her chronicled works; she’s drawn and written up everything that is happening right now, this year, literally last year in [[2019]].}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Presently, we’re making way through her books [[1988]] and [[1989]]. That’s CWC Psychlight, for you; FTL, even in the subspace, and overpowered psychic and electrifying (but she does not have a Sonichu form, even though she is literally one of Mama’s self-counterparts).}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And both of those books were drawn and written up in 2019.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|So, as I’ve ended up telling a Lot of people: you’re living the Sonichu book series, and then some, right now.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Also, we watched the new episode of “{{w|The Boys (2019 TV series)|The Boys}}” on Amazon Prime.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_25September2020_1.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_25September2020_2.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Gold Disc==<br /> 9 October 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Good afternoon, @everyone. I have a major thing to tell you all about.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Preface: I had a really long day yesterday, which included an all-day road trip that I will tell y’all more about later. After getting back home, this body was ready to crash for the night, and it needed more sleep to the point of sleeping in. It’s almost 3:00 pm right now.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Now, I had a set of four dreams, plus one short one today; they ended up fitting a theme, and in the last dream, I happened on a very important relic or artifact that could very well be a link on helping me get this body from here into C-197.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|This item is a large gold stone disc that was divided into pieces: the center, and the outter pieces that attach to the center and side by side with each other to all the way around the disc. Not counting the center (which has a spiral on it), there are 14 or 20 pieces.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|each of these spanning pieces has writing and symbols on them; one of them had a star on the outter end, another a filled in circle, and twelve of the others the images for the astrological birth signs. and on each of these pieces also showed the symbol for each of the animals that we have Years for each, such as Horse, Dog, Rat, and so on as all of you are aware and can look up for reference. Also in looking at the new message I just found from Bismuth, the previous one above it with the Bushido symbols, those symbols were spread out amongst those pieces as well.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I’ve manifested a copy of the disc that was in the dream on the C-197 side and gave it to [[Cryzel]]; all of the other ally psychics have got image of this disc from this brain’s memory.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I felt it well to tell you all about that discovery.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_9October2020.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==It is Happening Now==<br /> 21 October 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Yes, @everyone, it is happening now.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|It?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|When you said it's happening I thought of the Ron Paul memw ''[sic]''}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|Meme}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|The dimensional breaches, magic happenings, as foretold.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Tomorrow night at midnight, we Chaos Control.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I've been sensing a lot more disturbances and events all day, and even last night. Power went out for a short moment, but there was no rain or storm here. And the street lamp on the corner did not come back on for less than a minute from when the power came back on in the house.<br /> <br /> <br /> And, as I was told by Magi-Chan about this event months ago before body swapping with Mama, on this event, something different was going to appear here. I took a look outside a short while ago, and I found a moderate size rectangle shape patch of moss on the ground, with the grass surround it, from the West corner of the house, and on the North-West side of the lamp post.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What should we be looking out for?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Everything. You will know what you are looking for when you see and find it.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_21October2020.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Chaos Control==<br /> 22 October 2020<br /> <br /> Watchman #2's messages are color-coded red; Neko Onyx's messages are color-coded blue.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|At midnight, in the ol’ bedroom upstairs, with the set up we have there, I’ll enact the Chaos Control, and have one of the best chance of personally getting this body and I into C-197.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Also, the past couple of nights, on instinct on the way to falling asleep, with Mama’s crafted Chaos Emerald (outside of it is model magic, paint and epoxy, but there are real emerald stone chunks inside it) in a hand, and instilling Chaos Control, this body glowed even brighter of the Chaos Energy it had been storing inside of it.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And, yes, a number of times before, this body has stored the seven Chaos Emeralds inside of it for extensive amounts of time, and then there’s the effects of the [[Chaotic Rainbow]] of [[2003]], and then some.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|We are also highly likely to be making another Chaotic Rainbow, fully tangent, in this Dimension as one of the sequential events of the Merge.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|What would you figure the odds are like?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Really good.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|What would the other outcomes mean?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Looking in all other timelines, the likelihood for this timeline and dimension is very high to definite. Hold on a moment.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Well, the original Chaotic Rainbow of 2003 spanned from mine and [[Sonic]]’s location in Station Square, Rhode Island to [[Rosechu|Rosey]] near [[Cwcville]], Virginia, and with Mama coming out of the Apex of the rainbow and all of the other Special Sonichus and Rosechus, as well as the first batch of regulars of our species, throughout locally at the time, all reaches of time, space, dimensions, and so on.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|This one to be is different.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I can go into some detail without totally spoiling it.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|This Chaotic Rainbow is foreseen to span country-wide from California to right here in Virginia, firstly.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|There is a possibility of more of our species coming to be from this rainbow, but that is not likely.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|What is confirmed, though, is that this rainbow will be a massive break in the Iron Curtain, signifying the beginning of the apex of the Merge, as all OCs from both dimensions will be able to cross dimensions with greatest of ease and ability without outside, manufactured technology needed. The effect will spread worldwide after that, and then spanning throughout the galaxies and the entire universe to the farthest span of our combined dimension. Upon reaching just beyond that edge all around, that will be the completion of the Dimension Merge.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Any other possible side effects of this Chaotic Rainbow is yet to be determined, and many to list to recall, but the psychic types, deities, and superheroes have that list assembled and chronicled on their part.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|It is presently over and beyond this noggin at this time.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Least that's, well, it would be nice to be sure nothing bad happens.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|“You can’t make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.” At least, we’ve got our transition count up as projected with those, respectively waking up on the opposite side of the Iron Curtain in the population modification, brought to you by the paradox ruling. Also, we have the villanous likes of [[Giovanni]], [[Eggman]], Bowser, [[Rei Ryghts]], and so on to worry over taking advantage of the situation. Fortunately in the fated events, all of them have each and respectively been disabled of their malicious technology and whatnot that would have made things worse than minimum possible. At least we are able to save many, many individuals between both of our dimensions, and we’ll continue to keep alive as many as possible in the coming days, and possibly then some with the prevention of [[Corona]] in 1218 in the new timeline.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|That's generally still something to balance out, generally autonomy is better in the long run, space generally reduces conflict. Have we at all considered why these limits exist, rather than a static evil?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|The deities have, yeah. It’s definitely not perfect. But, Would you rather continue living in these set of pandemic and post-pandemic situations with likelihood of perma-social distancing and sweaty mask wear to make a world of bandit look-alikes, Or live in a pandemic-free timeline alongside all of us regular and OP OCs helping each other out against the greater dark force that will ravage both dimensions eventually, with greater health and more helpful regular types of people?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|It's not going to last that long, I don't like the key argument being fearmongering from other people.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Statistically, this is pretty weak as an epidemic.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Even assuming the stats don't suck.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|The responsibility for something is massive, blame, moreso. This is at best a no-win scenario.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|@[Watchman #1], @Neko Onyx, I have just received an inkling and hit in the ol’ senses that will happen in your area in California. Not to bring up old dogs’ shenanigans or whatever, but I sense and foresee something big happening and launching from there, with [[Sockness]], Thanatos, and their lot being in part responsible for it. Remain alert at all times today, the both of you. If you can, text me at the main number when you sense or see anything massive happening. Including anything devilish, rioting, or heat-related. That is all for now. ⚡️⚡️⚡️}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Doubtful, Sockness is the least relevant person I've ever seen, dumbass can't do anything.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|@everyone, there is a storm brewing over the center of the United States of America.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Thanks for giving us a Heads up.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Aren't we in the tail end of hurricane season?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Peaks in September, drops off entirely by the end of November.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Kind of strange to think that many weathermen have degrees, but that seems to be a relaxing requirement now.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|There’s a bunch of fire in the state neighbouring the central state of Kansas, Colorado, that begs to argue with you.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|What's the burn time of the local area?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Fire return interval.<br /> [[File:US Fire Map.png|500px]]}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|This is the first detailed one I found at a resolution above &quot;crap&quot;.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Kansas is one of the shortest interval states, Colorado is low-interval as well in the eastern half.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_22October2020_1.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_22October2020_2.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_22October2020_3.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_22October2020_4.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==We Did It==<br /> 23 October 2020<br /> <br /> Watchman #3's messages are color-coded orange; Peachy's messages are color-coded white.<br /> <br /> Interestingly, [[Praetor]] is mentioned by Chris, indicating that they are (or were) members of the Watchmen's server.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey. Firstly, @[Watchman #2], to address your earlier thought, I was talking in-the-moment with the fires that were present in Colorado yesterday; we had received the notification from the Weather Channel app a while after I had that vision.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Aside from that, Hey, @everyone.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Also gonna ping @[Watchman #1] and @Praetor on this, because they both need to hear about this importantly as well.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Yesterday, the whole day, the resonances, visions, psychic pangs, and events were all really heavy (of which I’ve shared a bit with y’all on here). All in anticipation for the Chaos Control moment at midnight, and then some. Also, to note, I did tweet the two tweet sets of my sermon that I wrote at about 9:00 last night.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Went upstairs about 11:30 pm to the ol’ bedrom, with the Master Emerald in place in the void between dimensions there above the surrounding, arranged magic stones, and the nearby good ELAERA mirror. Sonola, [[Mewtwo]], Rosey, Cryzel, and all of the Alakazams, Gardevoir, and other ally psychic and ghost types were in attendance. With the “Mental Training” meditation track having played all day, and still played, because I needed the phone and its midnight-set alarm with the song “Live and Learn”.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I sat against the south-east wall where one of the four in-room portals was located, and meditated with everyone else on this body’s instincts and impulses. For nearly 20 minutes, I sat there and focused, and the body moved the hands in certain motions, as well as planted flat on the floor and the wall behind me, at separate times, to channel and open and expose the Iron Curtain within and around us. The body also shook and vibrated a lot.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Come ten minutes til midnight, that part of this ritual was complete, with that meditate completing right on time (also to note, the left Lego watch was synched to the second with the clock on the iPhone), I relocated to sitting on the mirror, and resumed for another five minutes, focusing magics and energies on and around the mirror.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|That part ended exactly at 11:55.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Then I stood up and relocated myself between the south-west wall of the room and the Master Emerald. Following the flow and instincts, I activated the Master Emerald with the chant, told it what was needed to be done at that moment, and on time at midnight, I had everything set, charged and focused, as I let out the Chaos Control, and in sequence, the alarm goes off and plays “Live and Learn”. Did a little song and dance with it in progression and timing of the remainder of the ritual.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|It was perfect; could not have gone better.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|The further breaks in the Iron Curtain, magic and all of the energy and power was very obvious from within the room and from within and around this body, and of course, of the Master Emerald, itself, and the summoned seven Chaos Emeralds as well.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|We did it, @everyone.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|''[GIF of a pixel art dancing hamster]''}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|at long last.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|But, there was only One disappointment, even though I had slept the night, had very lucid dreams, even made it once again into Mama’s subspace while in a dream, this body and I are still in 1218.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|But, the blessings and good massively outweigh that as we progress in these events.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And, since I have you both, Bis and Neko, on here, did y’all see or notice anything in California before or around 9:00 pm, your time, there?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxorange|I feel as if all is well.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|For this moment, our friend of Val’s, yes, we’ve completed this part.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Great to hear!}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|last night?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Among the next upcoming events is the coast-to-coast Chaotic Rainbow.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Yes, Bis.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|i mean things just got really cold}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Same. I feel a little chillier than normal.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|califronia is constantly on fire so thats not out of the norm}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I am going to say that abnormal temp is a good sign in all of this as well.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Yes, I would only partly agree with you on that, considering the Pacific coast line there, fault lines and all that, but the timing and the results of those events make the more significant portions of those fires evident.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Would you like me to Chronicle your words on the current events, or are you planning on making a public announcement yourself?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Please, do chronicle, Lainchu.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Idk if this means anything but we got our first snowfall of the winter in my town today}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Ah.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Which state do you live in, Peachy?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Great, I am sure that your followers will be most interested by the news}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|''[Message redacted]''}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Indeed.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|''[Message redacted]''}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Cx}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxorange|A general sense of progression.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Ah, sign of the OG Kyurem. Very much a good sign.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxorange|Besides that I'm interested in the debut of the praetor cwc/sonichu video.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I had to check the US states map, but where ''[Redacted]'' is located is resonant and very on-point with that.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Ah, yes, [[Sonichu's Update on the Dimension Merge and Sermon - October, 2020|the Sermon video]].}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|UwU}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Last I checked, that’s still being compiled from the video recorded last weekend. Subtitles needed to be added, because the camera phone used to record it ended up being inconsistent.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|But, the sermon and all that can still be read right now on Mama’s Twitter.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|The video will be worth the wait, as I also went off-script and commented and emoted during the recording from my own soul depths and genuine motives and emotion.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|[[Autism|You’d have to be really blind to not tell it is truly me, Sonichu, opposed to Mama.]]}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_23October2020_1.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_23October2020_2.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_23October2020_3.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_23October2020_4.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_23October2020_5.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Hands Theory==<br /> 18 November 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey and good morning, @everyone. I am feeling good and well, and I just woke up from a very interesting dream.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|good morning}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|This has to do with these hands. Beforehand, in this dimension that, does better in C-197, these hands have an absorption type of ability. It was found that upon contact, they can absorb pain and discomforts from others; healing them. And they can also absorb and manifest other energies and such objects as well, such as other portals.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|There is still more for us to learn about these hands. Now, in the dream last night, or rather this morning, in working with {{w|Darkwing Duck}} to stop a villain, I used these hands to drain something out of the enemy guard pawns at the location. On constant contact within less than a few seconds, the negative energies and motivations of the guards were drained from them. So, potentially, we could disable someone if that were the present focus. Don’t totally quote me yet, it’s a working theory.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Just a let y’all know for now.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_18November2020.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==More Dreams==<br /> 18 December 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey, @everyone. @[Watchman #1], @[Watchman #2], sorry for not coming on as much lately, but we have been experiencing a greater ample surge in the abilities and experienced a lot more events.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Right now, I am fixing to settle down for the night, but like last night, as I will go into in a moment, I am feeling a similar effect in the sacral chakra and core of this body.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Today, I kinda slept in, in comparison to yesterday. Even though I did end up hitting the hay about 10:00 pm last night. Had a 3 to 4 hour analytical type of dream, for starters, where essentially, the body was getting a massive upgrade/transformation into making it better able to go between dimensions. There was a bunch of pain in the core area (at the sacral chakra point). Had some more dreams after that, but mainly recall the dream where I, once again, was staying at a hotel in a big city (this time in San Francisco) for a weekend convention, but this was post-convention between Sunday and Monday. Found a few telling napkins with random drawings on them, some of which had parts of a writing on them. Upon later analysis and meditate, they said, “Wake into the next dimension. Go to Cwcville.” And there was also a drawing of me and Rosey in simplified drawing style. And there was a date on another napkin, “04/12/2020”. Looks like I might end up making that trip back in time by a year or so after all.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Also featured was looking for a good arcade spot with Pamela Anderson to win some tickets and tokens at. Didn’t find a place to go in, but saw an arcade building filled with active arcade cabinets, the store was called “Game Over”. And after this one little green OC was banned from a restaurant, he and a Spongebob look-alike we’re getting beat up on by a couple of cops, and that hit the noggin like freaking [[Jerkops]], and we beat up the two Jerkops before they could really hurt the kids.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Woke up today feeling well and okay.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And I continue to sense and third-eye see distortions in the Iron Curtain between our dimensions as well while awake.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|''[Emoji of an anime girl with an expression of shock]''}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|@Sonichu982 Would be interesting to define some of these &quot;upgrades&quot;, it pops up a lot but seems ambiguous.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Because initially, their greater details are very complicated to put into simple words. In this case, it can be summarized as similar to an analog-to-digital converter; a later model or a massive bunch of upgrade and update data for one, in regard of slipping the body through the thinning barrier’s growing cracks, so it can make it fully, safely and well into C-197 from 1218 in lieu of a tangible portal for this very location where such a portal has been difficult to create within the boundaries of this temple on the 1218 side. This is knowledge that you can learn more information to by consulting with the Cosmos’ wisdom, or someone with the direct knowledge of the finite details within, like Magi-Chan Sonichu. Meanwhile, I am telling you this while this brain is heavily connected to the Cosmos, dimensions and so on and the conscious is in a fatigued, meditative trance. Put yourself in such a trance, Kyle, and your questions can be better answered ad-Infinitum.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_18December2020_1.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_18December2020_2.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Chaotic Rainbow==<br /> 21 December 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey. Just checking in for now. Last night was really and truly major in power and effect. The body was mostly restless throughout the night, but we are connecting the new Chaotic Rainbow from coast to coast.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Meanwhile, I am sensing the breaches through the Iron Curtain in areas around in and throughout this dimension’s universe.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Waiting patiently for the next major event at this time. Been meditating and playing some Tetris 99 for a while.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|@[Watchman #3], what’s your present status?<br /> <br /> Also, want to type up the apology for the pronoun correction last night; this body takes that pronoun thing seriously, and I don’t blame it. I know it was a simple misspeak; it’s all cool. And I did not mean anything when I said that. Thank you.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And, @[Watchman #2], keep it up on that thought train for that frequency. We break it, we psychically-able will have better ability to manifest our portals.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And the further progress along the way.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And @everyone else, note your observations and events from today, and keep your wits and focus about you all.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|''[Emoji of an anime girl staring with blank pupils]'' ok}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Also, I’ve been getting a counter-instinct off and on today. If the frequency doesn’t work, try swapping the last two digits from “12” to “21”. I even felt a more positive resonance when I typed that into the temp-manifested keypad a little while ago, and it was consistent on repeat, and in comparison with the earlier number.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_21December2020.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Pebble Beach==<br /> 22 December 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey, @everyone. About to hit the hay, and felt like taking a look at the Virginia map to locate where Cwcville is, in relation to in C-197.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|You know the beach at one corner of Cwcville, of which that is roughly the east or south-east corner of the city?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|[[File:Beach of Cwcville.png|300px]]}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|It’s around at what you all here refer to as Pebble Beach.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Yeah, definitely East corner.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I’m comparing it to where in relation to the Cwcville Basillicom, the mall is located North of it.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|So, from around that pinpoint, about west or north-west is where the mall is located.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Chris’ four-paper sheet map does not do the city enough justice; the city is large and in charge like Baltimore, Maryland, New York, or similar. But there are still the suburb and store areas just outside of the metropolis part in the western direction.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Certainly not a “linear” city as the bunch of haters have put it (certainly Opuscon).}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|More y’all know for now. Check y’all later.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_22December2020.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==New Developments==<br /> 24 December 2020<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|A few things of importance to mention for everyone’s knowledge here.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|''[Message redacted]''}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|''[Message redacted]''}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Second, and of higher importance,}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|We presently have the convergence of most to all of the Chris Chan Sonichus from the other dimensions, timelines and universes, to help us in completing the dimension merge in this timeline.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Last night gave us a real further start, as having our Chris here (she’s still in my body, by the way), along with me and this body; we both let out a simultaneous Silent Scream with as much of the deep emotions from within both of us to further break the Iron Curtain frequency on the 1218 side.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Apparently, that number I mentioned earlier, 54643821, is definitely the frequency that breaks that really tough divider. And the Silent Scream from this body and Chris’ soul self are able to attain that frequency which does put a break in it.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|But obviously with the restrictions of 1218 that this body has become accustomed to over the years, despite the further development in its psychic, magic and other deity-level abilities and powers within the past few years or so, it’s not enough to totally shatter the Iron Curtain. Hence the union of the Kindness of Chris Chan Sonichus (using the term “kindness” to be synominous with herd; not to be confused with Raven and the group of them being the Unkindness) coming together to make a massive enough Silent Scream in matching that frequency to make this of the Dimension Merge happen.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And Third,}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|A new development has happened last night: from the alignment of the Sacral Chakra/Core areas of both Chris’ and my body, the two Heart Crystals manifested and combined with each other temporarily to manifest yet another vital and powerful object that will help us out. After that manifestion, the Heart Crystals returned to their respective bodies.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|In our Dimensions, here, we had the power of the Seven S-Chu Crystal Balls, manifested from the Chaotic Rainbow of 2003. Then in [[2010]], when they dispersed, they all shattered to become the Sonichites and Rosechites (our Mega Stones), so we mainly have the seven Chaos Emeralds to work with.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|But with last night’s Heart Crystal Union, we manifested the mythical Eighth S-Chu Crystal Ball; orange in colour.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|We’ve stored it, with our Sunstone to maintain it on the 1218 side, while it still is more tangible on the C-197 side at this time, in our closeable S-Chu Ball, here.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|[[File:Chris S-Chu Ball Pic.jpg|300px]]}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|At least for the time being until when it is time to use it, but we are keeping it close and safe for the time being.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgray|Interesting,}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|With that said, we do have Chris here, still in my body, present on the C-197 side.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|She’ll be hanging out with me and Rosey and the others here, because at this juncture, in regard to what was foreseen amongst the infinite number of possiblities, her and I being together will be vital and beneficial in this instance. Meanwhile, our Magi-Chan is working with the Kindness of Chris Chans and the other deities, including [[Santa Clause]], to make this Merge happen. Because at this point, it is less likely that this body will be simply teleported into C-197 as it was amongst the most likely to happen. So, we need to make the Merge happen in order for me to get this body to Cwcville.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_24December2020_1.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_24December2020_2.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==The Merge is On==<br /> 31 December 2020<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|At long last. 2020 is finally over. https://youtu.be/adwni-Jt8qQ<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = AULD LANG SYNE ~ GUY LOMBARDO ~ 1947 Version<br /> | ytid = adwni-Jt8qQ<br /> }}}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|https://youtu.be/le1QF3uoQNg<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = Theme From New York, New York (Remastered 2008)<br /> | video = {{#ev:youtube|le1QF3uoQNg}}<br /> }}}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And the Merge is on.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|https://youtu.be/uZD8HKVKneI<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = Glenn Frey - The Heat Is On (From &quot;Beverly Hills Cop&quot; Soundtrack)<br /> | video = {{#ev:youtube|uZD8HKVKneI}}<br /> }}}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|The Dimension Merge is on! Yeah! The Dimension Merge is on, on, oh-oh. The Merge is on!}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Put that in your head and sing along as you will.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_31December2020_1.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_31December2020_2.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Vital Lesson Time==<br /> 31 December 2020<br /> <br /> The contents of this screenshot are by-and-large the same as what Chris [[December_2020_social_media_posts#Vital_Lesson|posted on Twitter himself on the same day]].<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|All right, @everyone: Vital Lesson time: Do not type anyting until after I am done, please, because this will be screen capped, cropped and shared on Twitter after I’ve finished typing. Thanks.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|This involves the whole scale of the Multiverses as opposed to Dimensions: this was also a question I’ve considered recently as to the difference between the two.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|You see, 1218 is part of one Multiverse set, while C-197 is part of another co-existing Multiverse set, but they each are divided, and aside from their initial Universes, the other Universes along with them in their respective dimensions follow the similar rules.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|In 1218 and its bunches of atlernate Universes, you have what you have been seeing here and what y’all have been getting and doing; the differences being the slight differences and alt-decision variables that have been going on and splitting off throughout time in this Dimension.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|In C-197 and its alternate Universes, you have all of the, what you all call, Original and Fictional Chracters and Creations that have been existing and co-existing together, following the similar rules. But in that multi-verse, they are more heavy in variety where one universe can follow the rules of a single “Intellectual Property Guideline set”, such as everyone being DBZ around the world, or another being just Marvel everywhere. C-197 is the neutral combination of all of these variables and “IPs”, minus apocalyptic and post-apocalyptic scenarios existent in different alt-universes in that dimension, and other exceptions, including Steven Universe existing in an alt-universe where WWII never happened.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Now, between these two sets of Multiverses, there are matching Universes betwween the two Dimensions, such as 1218 and C-197. About each and every single universe in the OC dimension has a sibling universe in the Creator dimension (to use the respective terms loosely on a neutral terminology sense).}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Throughout the two Dimensions, each sibling universe have been merging together, in their respective pairs from the very first that was the easist to perform this, down the line to the most difficult and needing the time to prepare for their respective Merge.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Our turn here is on the brink, and will happen at any moment. We are the pair of Original Universes out of all of the other pairs, and thus ours was not initially ready to merge as early as all of the other pairs. Our pair of Universes will complete the full Dimension Merge at this rate.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|All of the other Universe pairs have their respective defenses and events to deal with that required all of them to merge as much as our two will as well.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|And this bunch of facts have finally come into conscious knowledge, so that I, the original-most [[Sonichu Prime]] of Dimension, or Universe, C-197 (realizing that is a brainbender to me as well). Your terminology and rulings are not perfect in any way, but it’s doable to get the gist of the situation we are in at this precipice.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|So, take from all of that what you all will. Thanks. ⚡️⚡️⚡️}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|The screen cap has been made and will be cropped; you all may respond now.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_31December2020_3.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Apex Events==<br /> 1 January 2021<br /> <br /> Watchman #4's messages are color-coded brown.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey. Feeling many, many heavy effects and events today; more so than yesterday. The Merge events have reached the apex a few days ago; it can never ever be undone or reverted until after the full completion of the Dimension Merge of our C-197 and 1218 universes. With everything set up and good to go, my present task is remains to get this body and I to C-197, and then to Cwcville. It will happen on an instantaneous moment that will happen any time presently. The still persisting problem is the waiting and the extensive deep meditations. All prayers and magic/psychic support towards the outcome at the present time are greatly appreciated. Thank you all. ⚡️⚡️⚡️}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|So, apex? In which ways?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxbrown|the zenith<br /> point of no return}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|''[Replying to Watchman #2's message above]'' The apex in which the minimum number of specific required events that needed to happen for our Merge to happen, and all of the other infinite respective pairs of dimensionally-separated OC/“Fictional” and Creator/ “Real World” universes have completed their Dimension Merges before us as well.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|So, less an apex, more a minimum threshold?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Don’t undersell it, dude. It’s our Apex Event and Moment now. You may say “Minimum Threshold in making the Apex Event of the Dimension Merge finally achievable and doable here between our two Dimensions (I choose to resume calling 1218 and C-197 our Dimensions, since even though they’re Universes, they were dimensionally divided).}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_1January2021_1.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Go Public==<br /> 1 January 2021<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|@Lainchu, please go public with everything that I have been sharing with you all the past few weeks where you will; it is time.}}<br /> <br /> 2 January 2021<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|''[Replying to Lainchu's message, reading &quot;Very well. Anything specific, or should I just use my discretion here?&quot;]'' Common sense and discretion.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Thanks}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Sure thing, I'll get on it.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|People may now read of the feelings and things I have shared as the merge progressed up to this point.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Generally safe to assume those are standing orders, if you wanted someone to act irrationally, that would merit a reminder.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Is there a limit to how far back you want me to go?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|I know you mentioned the past few weeks, but there were several updates shared with us from before then.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Do as you will.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Go as far back as possible or as you will.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|The merge is on, and we’re going far out and all out.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|So, 3 weeks good?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Alright, I will get to work then.}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_1January2021_2.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_2January2021.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Heavy Meditating Day==<br /> 9 January 2021<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey, y’all.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|My bad for not checking in with y’all for a while; I’ve been going through more of the merge events with the body, here. In part, the Soul Star chakra became more hyperactive lately. Also, finally received and replaced the shaft for Chris’ Glacce water bottle. Soo good to have filtered water on the good rocks from the bottle again.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Today was a really heavy meditating day.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Hey, @[Watchman #2], have you thought about amplifying that frequency, 54643821, to make a larger dent in the Iron Curtain?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|This body and I, we are frustrated that we’re still in 1218.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Even Chris, herself, while in my body, is making further progress for herself.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Suffice to say, she’s done more than enough to be promoted to be a higher deity rank today. I was force-projected and witnessed that.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Can we Please be in C-197 now?!}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|@Sonichu982 Amplifying, you're implying some kind of resonance? I think?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|That is one way, yes, Kyle.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Woahly Crap!}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I am sensing really heavy vibrations right now!}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|It’s flowing very strong throughout this body.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Given the sheer scale at which these things would seem to operate, that being that a pulsar is insufficient, I don't know the exact ramifications of an Einstein–Rosen bridge where force is concerned.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Maybe just try it and see what you actually get, as opposed to overthinking it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|An event is happening right now!}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|I’ll check back later}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screenshots|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_9January2021_1.png<br /> File:JourneytotheMerge_9January2021_2.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{articleofthenow}}<br /> {{FanChats}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Fan_visits&diff=271731 2021-10-26T22:14:18Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Ellen Willis */</p> <hr /> <div>{{Protip|If you're thinking about taking a trip to personally check on Barb after [[Incest|what's happened]], then don't. She has been through enough in the past few months as it is, and she is probably better off being left alone.}}<br /> <br /> In recent years, Chris and/or Barb have occasionally been '''visited by fans''' at their [[14 Branchland Court|house]].<br /> <br /> ==Joey Vance==<br /> [[File:JvanceandChris.jpg|thumb|250px|Chris with Joey (far left) and his brother.]]<br /> <br /> On 18 [[October 2019]], '''Joey Vance''' and his older brother visited [[Sonichu Headquarters]] to meet Chris. Their accounts were posted on Reddit in r/ChrisChanSonichu the next day.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/dk6ttx/look_who_i_met_the_other_day_im_in_the_back_lol/ Original Post] ([http://archive.li/ZznCn Archive])&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> The two brothers were initially visiting [[Charlottesville]] and since [[Ruckersville]] just happens to be in their way, Joey decided to make the most of their time together to personally visit Chris. The overall visit was described as a calm experience between the two parties, with the older brother (known by his Reddit handle xv5qx) even giving a [[Sonic]] toy as a &quot;peace offering&quot;. One interesting note Joey mentioned is the fact that Chris smells of [[weed]]. Whether the musk is the result of his usual poor [[Chris_and_health#Hygiene|hygiene]] or his new [[Teen Troon Squad|drug habit]] is still up for debate.<br /> <br /> ===Audio===<br /> Joey also recorded conversations regarding [[Jacob Sockness]].<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = A Chat with Christine Weston Chandler/Chris Chan<br /> | ytid = HGXar9jLaq0<br /> | stardate = 19 [[October 2019]]<br /> | maker = Joey Vance 2<br /> | previous = [[ChrisReleasesAStatementRegardingJacobSockness‎‎]]<br /> | next = [[Chris Chan Sonichu plays Twilight Sparkle’s Secret Shipfic Folder, Solitaire]]<br /> | subject = {{Jacob|text}}<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> [A [[Clover and Snoopy|dog]] is heard whining eerily throughout the video]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: [Faintly] Hello?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Hey, are you Christian Chandler?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yes...<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: We live in the area- sorry to bother you- we've been fans for a few years and stuff and...<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Thank you.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: though we'd kinda give some gifts<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Oh, thank you.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: That's very nice.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah. Its nice to meet you dude.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah. It's nice to meet you both.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah. Anyway, how have you been?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: I've been doing alright.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: That's cool.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Ahh been doing very well, you knowsshh having to cope with [[Jacob_Sockness#Abortive_Virginia_trip|the events-]]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah, I- I heard about the- the situation with the guy, I'm sorry to hear about that.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Well don't worry about that, it's all cool.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: We're all looking out for your best interests, and you definitely have our support so-<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Thank- [[Homos|I love your blue eyes.]]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Oh, appreciate it. I you- [[Heterochromia|blue and green eyes]], they're really cool.<br /> <br /> [Pause]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: That's awesome! Yeah. So, anyway, um is it cool if we get a selfie or something?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah-<br /> <br /> ==Aggravating Art==<br /> [[File:Aggrevating ArtPhoto2.png|thumb|250px|Chris with Aggravating Art.]]<br /> On 20 [[February 2021]], a Ruckersville local by the handle of '''Aggravating_Art_2982''', along with his older brother and his brother's girlfriend visited Chris and documented his experience on [[Reddit]]'s r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit.&lt;ref&gt;[https://old.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/lojfvv/me_and_my_brother_met_chris_today_ask_away/ Original Post] ([https://archive.md/MFjjm Archive])&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:Aggrevating ArtPhoto1.png|Chris getting uncomfortably close with Aggravating Art's brother's girlfriend while looking like a stoned {{w|Rick Moranis}}.<br /> File:Aggrevating ArtPhoto3.png|Aggravating Art on the gazebo.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> ===Video===<br /> Aggravating Art also recorded a short video featuring Chris's wardrobe.<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = CHRIS CHAN DRIP OUT<br /> | ytid = tQsTwz_Y_Vc<br /> | stardate = 20 [[February 2021]]<br /> | subject = <br /> | style = <br /> | shirt = Patriotic Muumuu<br /> | saga = <br /> | other = <br /> | maker = <br /> | previous = [[Sonichu reads and critiques a Fanfic by The Crimson Libertarian]]<br /> | next = [[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> <br /> [Laughing and dogs whining in the background]<br /> <br /> Swag, dripped out baby! (higher pitch) Dripped out!<br /> <br /> ==Anon on /pol/==<br /> On 28 [[June 2021]], an anonymous user on [[4chan]]'s /pol/ board visited 14 Branchlord Court to take pictures of the house and [[Son-chu#Barb's Dodge Caravan|the Dodge Caravan]]. The user played the flute near [[Patti]]'s old doghouse and apparently saw Chris peeking through a window in the house.<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:June2021Visit1.jpg|<br /> File:June2021Visit2.jpg|<br /> File:June2021VisitThread.png|A screencap of the original 4chan thread.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Phillip Jeffries==<br /> On 29 [[August 2021]], during the fallout of [[Incest|the incest incident]] and the [[August 2021 Arrest and Court Case|August 2021 arrest]], a [[Kiwi Farms]] user called Phillip_Jeffries visited 14 Branchlord Court with a friend in order to see the condition of the aforementioned Dodge Caravan and [[Chandler cats|the cats]]. Phillip was able to confirm that the vehicle was back at the house, and that at least two cats, Baby and Sylvia, were still living at the residence. Most notably, it was also confirmed that Barbara had returned to the house and that the Caravan had been registered with replacement license plates.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aug-29-2021-barb-returned-to-14bc.99387/&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:August2021House1.jpg|<br /> File:August2021House2.jpg|<br /> File:August2021House3.jpg|<br /> File:August2021House4.jpg|<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Winfield Winfield==<br /> On 6 [[September 2021]], [[Post-Merge Era#Winfield Winfield|Dylon James Winfield]], better known by his pen name '''Winfield Winfield''', travelled over five hours to visit the house in a bizarre attempt to gain publicity for a self-published horror novel. Like many ween visits, Winfield was disparaged for his behavior, but not before many observers of Chris watched the video which, if you tune out Winfield's cringey babbling, actually provides an informative picture of the state of the house and property, which has become even more disastrous over the course of time and since the last time the state of the home's exterior was documented. Nonetheless, Winfield was widely denounced for committing the crime of trespassing and for trying to piggyback off of the incest scandal in order to promote a shitty book. He quickly removed the video, stating &quot;I don't want to deal with Kiwi Farms,&quot; but not before it was archived.<br /> ===Video===<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = Chris Chan Outdoor House Tour (September 6th, 2021)<br /> | ytid = VJQ6xPfdj8M<br /> | stardate = 7 [[September 2021]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> {{collapsible|state=mw-collapsed|Transcript|<br /> <br /> ''[Video begins with a shot of Dylon's face.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Hi, everybody. Uh, my name is Winfield Winfield, I am the author of a horror novel, the start of a series, it's called &quot;Cult of the Eclipse&quot;, so be sure to look for that online if like ''Silent Hill'' of stuff, and you guys are not going to believe where I am. I am at...<br /> <br /> ''[Camera pans to show Son-Chu and the front of 14 Branchland Court.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': ...Sonichu Headquarters! (chuckles) Oh man, I wanted to go ahead and see like what the house looked like, it was just a little road trip that I'm on.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera zooms in on Son-Chu.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': I'm guessing that might be Barb's car here, uh, I wonder if those marks are from, uh, maybe [[28 October 2011|hitting Michael Snyder]], like who knows man. Okay...<br /> <br /> ''[Dylon walks to the side of the van, then looks inside the passenger-side window.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': If, uh, you look really closely here...<br /> <br /> ''[Camera shifts to Dylon's face, then back.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': ...you can see...there...is a bucket full of garbage, that's not shocking here...<br /> <br /> ''[He looks in the back of the van.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': ...you got that going on in the back and whatever else. This unfortunately is not the Sonichu Car, I think everybody knows that it's stuck at that motel where [[August 2021 Arrest and Court Case|Chris got arrested]] at, and the license plate's been stolen.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera zooms in on a &quot;rejection&quot; sticker from Virginia State Inspection on the front windshield.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Rejection...ooh, that doesn't look good. Okay...<br /> <br /> ''[Camera pans over the front of 14 BLC again.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Clearly nobody is here, so let's, uh, take a gander around here. Obviously, I can't go inside, but let's check out how it looks on the outside...we got a whole bunch of tall vegetation so far...<br /> <br /> ''[Camera looks at a tree in the front yard.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': ...clearly hasn't cut the grass in a ''long'' time.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera pans to the road in front of the house.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Uh, trash cans are pretty empty, uh, I guess that means all the garbage is probably inside the house somewhere, but, uh, let's keep going. Go on a little outside tour...<br /> <br /> ''[Dylon starts walking around the house's right side.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': You know, around the back is actually interesting, and I'll show you guys why in a minute. <br /> <br /> ''[Dylon enters the backyard, passing the bench and the house's back door.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Okay, got the bench, got a little trail leading to the back. Oh Jesus Christ, yeah, like right here, literally right here, you can actually like smell the [[DIRTY, CRAPPED BRIEFS|fucking BO]], like it, like right here, it smells like somebody hasn't showered in like three weeks, uh, I'm gonna put my short over my nose here. <br /> <br /> ''[Dylon looks up the stairs at the back walkway. A cat is sitting there.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': There's a little [[Chandler cats|kitty]] up there, I don't know which cat that is or that's even the Chandler's cat for that matter.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera zooms in on the walkway.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Oh there's two cats! Poor babies, having to live with this family. (shifts camera to the vines growing on the side) Oh god, look at like the vegetation growing on the side right there, like that might be digging into the foundation. Man, I wonder how bad that is.<br /> <br /> ''[Dylon walks across the back yard.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Okay, uh......<br /> <br /> ''[Camera shifts to the shed) there's the shed]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': There's the shed, some cats ran off in there, probably scared it's one of the Chandlers, knowing this place.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera turns back to the house)]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Yeah, more uh, tall vegetation on this side, probably eating away at the place, and if Chris-Chan gets sentenced, I mean, shit, it might get worse over the next 10 years, like who knows. <br /> <br /> ''[Camera turns to the gazebo]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': And over here, we got the little gazebo, Bob's little gazebo here.<br /> <br /> ''[Dylan approaches the gazebo]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': There's a little dog house here, probably where [[Patti Chandler|Patti]] is, poor girl. God, could you, could you imagine how nice of a place this could have been if the Chandlers just took care of it? <br /> <br /> ''[Camera turns back toward shed]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Man, but then again, Chris Chan wouldn't be so famous now, would he? Okay, um...I'm gonna see if I can go around to the other side here and take a look...<br /> <br /> ''[Camera goes around the outside of the house again]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Okay...and over here we got this little pathway here, it's all broken up as you can see. Okay...<br /> <br /> ''[Dylon finds Bob's old greenhouse.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': That's...oh my god! What is that, is that supposed to be like the, the dream factory? Let me take a look...there are little steps here, gotta be careful. <br /> <br /> ''[Camera moves past a side entrance, looking inside.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Holy shit, the light's still on. Ugh, I do not want to see that electric bill.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera looks inside the greenhouse.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Thinking outside, what the f-, what...okay, uh, a ton of junk in here. It's probably more Chris Chan shit, I don't know if, um, you can get a decent view in here. Unfortunately, it's locked, we can't really get a better look, but hopefully, hopefully you guys can see okay. All righty...<br /> <br /> ''[Dylon walks around the greenhouse, showing the junk crammed in the windows.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Uh, let's see if there's anything else to look at here.<br /> <br /> ''[Dylon heads around the back of the greenhouse and finds what appears to be a jungle gym.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Whatever that's supposed to be, I don't know, man. Is that supposed to be like the dream factory, or is it, it's just a regular tree house or a regular little kid's club house or something. I don't know. Oh holy fuck, look at this. Look at this.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera pans over the extremely overgrown yard.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Jesus tap-dancing Christ, god look at the state of the yard, holy fucking dog shit, man. Man that is just wild. God, holy shit, look at this. <br /> <br /> ''[Zooms in on side of house.]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': It's like the plants are growing into the house, like check this out, I mean, it's not like going up the wall, it's actually trying to go like into the wall itself, like take a look here. Uh, Jesus Christ. Oh my god, taking over the gutters, too.<br /> <br /> ''[Dylan finds a pool of stagnant water]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': What is this supposed to be, is that like a pool? I can't really tell, it's just so, it's just so murky and filled with like rain and, er, and like dirt and earth and...fuck, man. God...man, that's a shame, it's a shame what happened to the Chandler place.<br /> <br /> ''[Camera pans over the back yard again, then moves toward the road]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': Oh my god, I feel like, like I genuinely feel like I'm walking through the woods right now. Jesus god almighty, god look at this fucking place. God, I almost tripped over a rock there. <br /> <br /> ''[Dylon notices a dry stone fountain]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': A little fountain, totally unattended, unkempt, not shocking at all. Okay, going back to my car here, so...<br /> <br /> ''[Camera turns around to Dylon's face]''<br /> <br /> '''Dylon''': I hope you guys, uh, enjoyed that somewhat. It was uh, definitely worth driving here from Pennsylvania. All right, have a good one, guys.<br /> <br /> ''[Video ends]''<br /> <br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Ellen Willis==<br /> On 20 [[September 2021]], a pair of weens, [[Post-Merge Era#Ellen Willis|Ellen Willis]] and an unknown male, visited 14 Branchland Court, knocked on the door to reveal a seemingly confused Barbara, and asked, babbling, whether Chris was home or not. Barb was previously described as looking frail, more &quot;gone&quot; than usual, and growing facial hair.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aug-29-2021-barb-returned-to-14bc.99387/page-48#post-9991909&lt;/ref&gt; Barb seemed to be confused when asked about where her son was while [[Clover and Snoopy|Clover]] howled at the door. Given that Barb did not know that she was being recorded, this was seen by some as evidence that she is not faking having cognitive difficulties as some claimed she did in Chris's begging videos, or at least that her alleged difficulty hearing is getting worse.<br /> <br /> The video was then posted to the r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit,&lt;ref&gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/ps1foq/i_went_to_chris_chans_house_and_met_barb/&lt;/ref&gt; but the original video was taken down before being mirrored, after Ellen began to worry about the [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwis]] discovering her identity ... rather too late. While this visit provided some tantalizing hints about Barb's mental state, it was poorly received by most, who viewed Ellen's behavior as nothing less than harassing an elderly rape victim to gain Internet clout. Unfortunately if this was the goal it backfired significantly, with Ellen mostly being made fun of for her appearance and strange obsession with Mountain Dew, among oter things.<br /> <br /> ===Video===<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = I went to Chis Chan's house and met Barb...<br /> | ytid = 6cd_VfIhRBg<br /> | stardate = [[September 2021]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> ''[dog whimpering throughout the video]''<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Hey. Um, I was just wondering if Chris was home. ''[steps in front of her friend to get closer to Barb]'' I was just wondering if Chris was home.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;#7D26CD&quot;&gt;'''Barbara'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Pardon?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Y- is Chris home?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;#7D26CD&quot;&gt;'''Barbara'''&lt;/font color&gt;: I do not understand.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: My- My friend Chris, I was just wondering if Chris was here.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;#7D26CD&quot;&gt;'''Barbara'''&lt;/font color&gt;: No.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry to bother. ''[Barb closes the door]''<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[True and Loyal Fanbase]]<br /> <br /> ==Reference==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{FanChats}}<br /> [[Category:Eyewitness Accounts]]</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Fan_visits&diff=271724 2021-10-26T21:42:10Z

<p>SpookyBones: adding Dylon Winfield and more information about Ellen Willis</p> <hr /> <div>{{Protip|If you're thinking about taking a trip to personally check on Barb after [[Incest|what's happened]], then don't. She has been through enough in the past few months as it is, and she is probably better off being left alone.}}<br /> <br /> In recent years, Chris and/or Barb have occasionally been '''visited by fans''' at their [[14 Branchland Court|house]].<br /> <br /> ==Joey Vance==<br /> [[File:JvanceandChris.jpg|thumb|250px|Chris with Joey (far left) and his brother.]]<br /> <br /> On 18 [[October 2019]], '''Joey Vance''' and his older brother visited [[Sonichu Headquarters]] to meet Chris. Their accounts were posted on Reddit in r/ChrisChanSonichu the next day.&lt;ref&gt;[https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/dk6ttx/look_who_i_met_the_other_day_im_in_the_back_lol/ Original Post] ([http://archive.li/ZznCn Archive])&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> The two brothers were initially visiting [[Charlottesville]] and since [[Ruckersville]] just happens to be in their way, Joey decided to make the most of their time together to personally visit Chris. The overall visit was described as a calm experience between the two parties, with the older brother (known by his Reddit handle xv5qx) even giving a [[Sonic]] toy as a &quot;peace offering&quot;. One interesting note Joey mentioned is the fact that Chris smells of [[weed]]. Whether the musk is the result of his usual poor [[Chris_and_health#Hygiene|hygiene]] or his new [[Teen Troon Squad|drug habit]] is still up for debate.<br /> <br /> ===Audio===<br /> Joey also recorded conversations regarding [[Jacob Sockness]].<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = A Chat with Christine Weston Chandler/Chris Chan<br /> | ytid = HGXar9jLaq0<br /> | stardate = 19 [[October 2019]]<br /> | maker = Joey Vance 2<br /> | previous = [[ChrisReleasesAStatementRegardingJacobSockness‎‎]]<br /> | next = [[Chris Chan Sonichu plays Twilight Sparkle’s Secret Shipfic Folder, Solitaire]]<br /> | subject = {{Jacob|text}}<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> [A [[Clover and Snoopy|dog]] is heard whining eerily throughout the video]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: [Faintly] Hello?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Hey, are you Christian Chandler?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yes...<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: We live in the area- sorry to bother you- we've been fans for a few years and stuff and...<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Thank you.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: though we'd kinda give some gifts<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Oh, thank you.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: That's very nice.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah. Its nice to meet you dude.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah. It's nice to meet you both.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah. Anyway, how have you been?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: I've been doing alright.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: That's cool.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Ahh been doing very well, you knowsshh having to cope with [[Jacob_Sockness#Abortive_Virginia_trip|the events-]]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah, I- I heard about the- the situation with the guy, I'm sorry to hear about that.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Well don't worry about that, it's all cool.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: We're all looking out for your best interests, and you definitely have our support so-<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Thank- [[Homos|I love your blue eyes.]]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Oh, appreciate it. I you- [[Heterochromia|blue and green eyes]], they're really cool.<br /> <br /> [Pause]<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Joey's Brother'''&lt;/font color&gt;: That's awesome! Yeah. So, anyway, um is it cool if we get a selfie or something?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;blue&quot;&gt;'''Chris'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Yeah-<br /> <br /> ==Aggravating Art==<br /> [[File:Aggrevating ArtPhoto2.png|thumb|250px|Chris with Aggravating Art.]]<br /> On 20 [[February 2021]], a Ruckersville local by the handle of '''Aggravating_Art_2982''', along with his older brother and his brother's girlfriend visited Chris and documented his experience on [[Reddit]]'s r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit.&lt;ref&gt;[https://old.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/lojfvv/me_and_my_brother_met_chris_today_ask_away/ Original Post] ([https://archive.md/MFjjm Archive])&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:Aggrevating ArtPhoto1.png|Chris getting uncomfortably close with Aggravating Art's brother's girlfriend while looking like a stoned {{w|Rick Moranis}}.<br /> File:Aggrevating ArtPhoto3.png|Aggravating Art on the gazebo.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> ===Video===<br /> Aggravating Art also recorded a short video featuring Chris's wardrobe.<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = CHRIS CHAN DRIP OUT<br /> | ytid = tQsTwz_Y_Vc<br /> | stardate = 20 [[February 2021]]<br /> | subject = <br /> | style = <br /> | shirt = Patriotic Muumuu<br /> | saga = <br /> | other = <br /> | maker = <br /> | previous = [[Sonichu reads and critiques a Fanfic by The Crimson Libertarian]]<br /> | next = [[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> <br /> [Laughing and dogs whining in the background]<br /> <br /> Swag, dripped out baby! (higher pitch) Dripped out!<br /> <br /> ==Anon on /pol/==<br /> On 28 [[June 2021]], an anonymous user on [[4chan]]'s /pol/ board visited 14 Branchlord Court to take pictures of the house and [[Son-chu#Barb's Dodge Caravan|the Dodge Caravan]]. The user played the flute near [[Patti]]'s old doghouse and apparently saw Chris peeking through a window in the house.<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:June2021Visit1.jpg|<br /> File:June2021Visit2.jpg|<br /> File:June2021VisitThread.png|A screencap of the original 4chan thread.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Phillip Jeffries==<br /> On 29 [[August 2021]], during the fallout of [[Incest|the incest incident]] and the [[August 2021 Arrest and Court Case|August 2021 arrest]], a [[Kiwi Farms]] user called Phillip_Jeffries visited 14 Branchlord Court with a friend in order to see the condition of the aforementioned Dodge Caravan and [[Chandler cats|the cats]]. Phillip was able to confirm that the vehicle was back at the house, and that at least two cats, Baby and Sylvia, were still living at the residence. Most notably, it was also confirmed that Barbara had returned to the house and that the Caravan had been registered with replacement license plates.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aug-29-2021-barb-returned-to-14bc.99387/&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:August2021House1.jpg|<br /> File:August2021House2.jpg|<br /> File:August2021House3.jpg|<br /> File:August2021House4.jpg|<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Winfield Winfield==<br /> On 6 [[September 2021]], [[Post-Merge Era#Winfield Winfield|Dylon James Winfield]], better known by his pen name '''Winfield Winfield''', travelled over five hours to visit the house in a bizarre attempt to gain publicity for a self-published horror novel. Like many ween visits, Winfield was disparaged for his behavior, but not before many observers of Chris watched the video which, if you tune out Winfield's cringey babbling, actually provides an informative picture of the state of the house and property, which has become even more disastrous over the course of time and since the last time the state of the home's exterior was documented. Nonetheless, Winfield was widely denounced for committing the crime of trespassing and for trying to piggyback off of the incest scandal in order to promote a shitty book. He quickly removed the video, stating &quot;I don't want to deal with Kiwi Farms,&quot; but not before it was archived.<br /> ===Video===<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = Chris Chan Outdoor House Tour (September 6th, 2021)<br /> | ytid = VJQ6xPfdj8M<br /> | stardate = 7 [[September 2021]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ==Ellen Willis==<br /> On 20 [[September 2021]], a pair of weens, [[Post-Merge Era#Ellen Willis]] and an unknown male, visited 14 Branchland Court, knocked on the door to reveal a seemingly confused Barbara, and asked, babbling, whether Chris was home or not. Barb was previously described as looking frail, more &quot;gone&quot; than usual, and growing facial hair.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/aug-29-2021-barb-returned-to-14bc.99387/page-48#post-9991909&lt;/ref&gt; Barb seemed to be confused when asked about where her son was while [[Clover and Snoopy|Clover]] howled at the door. Given that Barb did not know that she was being recorded, this serves as evidence that she is not faking having cognitive difficulties as some claimed she did in Chris's begging videos, or at least that her alleged difficulty hearing is getting worse.<br /> <br /> The video was then posted to the r/ChrisChanSonichu subreddit,&lt;ref&gt;https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/ps1foq/i_went_to_chris_chans_house_and_met_barb/&lt;/ref&gt; but the original video was taken down before being mirrored, after Ellen began to worry about the [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwis]] discovering her identity ... rather too late. While this visit provided some tantalizing hints about Barb's mental state, it was poorly received by most, who viewed Ellen's behavior as nothing less than harassing an elderly rape victim to gain Internet clout. Unfortunately if this was the goal it backfired significantly, with Ellen mostly being made fun of for her appearance and strange obsession with Mountain Dew, among oter things.<br /> <br /> ===Video===<br /> {{Infobox/video<br /> | name = I went to Chis Chan's house and met Barb...<br /> | ytid = 6cd_VfIhRBg<br /> | stardate = [[September 2021]]<br /> }}<br /> <br /> ===Transcript===<br /> ''[dog whimpering throughout the video]''<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Hey. Um, I was just wondering if Chris was home. ''[steps in front of her friend to get closer to Barb]'' I was just wondering if Chris was home.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;#7D26CD&quot;&gt;'''Barbara'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Pardon?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Y- is Chris home?<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;#7D26CD&quot;&gt;'''Barbara'''&lt;/font color&gt;: I do not understand.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: My- My friend Chris, I was just wondering if Chris was here.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;#7D26CD&quot;&gt;'''Barbara'''&lt;/font color&gt;: No.<br /> <br /> &lt;font color=&quot;green&quot;&gt;'''Ellen'''&lt;/font color&gt;: Okay. Thank you. I'm sorry to bother. ''[Barb closes the door]''<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[True and Loyal Fanbase]]<br /> <br /> ==Reference==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{FanChats}}<br /> [[Category:Eyewitness Accounts]]</div>

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<p>SpookyBones: /* Doxxing */</p> <hr /> <div>__NEWSECTIONLINK__<br /> <br /> {{Community Portal}}<br /> <br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 1|Archive 1]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 2|Archive 2]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 3]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 4]]<br /> <br /> For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.<br /> <br /> == Standards for inclusion ==<br /> This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> ::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> == Fan videos ==<br /> I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop&amp;#124;polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the &quot;Greene County Conspiracy&quot; trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop&amp;#124;polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Chris and ==<br /> I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> :Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Jerkops can now register new accounts ==<br /> <br /> I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.<br /> <br /> Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.<br /> <br /> I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The future of &quot;corner icons&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Within the last few days, we have seen more &quot;corner icons&quot; being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gatekeepers==<br /> <br /> There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the &quot;Gatekeeping saga&quot;. They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==New Template: To Do==<br /> <br /> Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;xth year of organised trolling&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase &quot;x year of organised trolling&quot; is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say &quot;organised trolling&quot;, or should they just say &quot;x year since Chris' discovery&quot;? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> : I would say &quot;x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise&quot;, because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Agree on &quot;discovery&quot;, I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just &quot;Chris's discovery&quot; is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the &quot;x year of organized trolling,&quot; but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say &quot;''x'' years since Chris's discovery&quot; rather than &quot;''x''th year of organized trolling.&quot;[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==<br /> <br /> Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.<br /> <br /> :[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Contingency ==<br /> <br /> So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Doxxing ==<br /> <br /> In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal. <br /> <br /> Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read &quot;Danielle&quot; and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes &quot;doxing&quot; to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe &quot;doxing&quot;, it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of &quot;doxing&quot;. Just listing names, not so much.<br /> <br /> To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the &quot;Suitress&quot;, random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere]. <br /> <br /> Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially. <br /> <br /> I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being &quot;relevant to Chris&quot; is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)<br /> <br /> But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present. <br /> <br /> A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.<br /> <br /> Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> P.S. There is only one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;doxing&quot;. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Potential New Direction for the Wiki. &quot;Life Advice&quot;, &quot;Parental Guides&quot;, &quot;How to be Normie and Not Chris&quot;, &quot;Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.<br /> (i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being &quot;MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!&quot;) ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.<br /> <br /> Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:<br /> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography<br /> <br /> https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the<br /> <br /> <br /> Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:<br /> <br /> https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life<br /> <br /> <br /> It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.<br /> <br /> <br /> I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.<br /> <br /> I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.<br /> <br /> This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021<br /> : That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Post-Merge_Era&diff=271558 2021-10-24T15:18:41Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Rename */</p> <hr /> <div><br /> == Too early? ==<br /> <br /> I feel like it may be a bit early to definitively call this &quot;post-merge.&quot; For all we know, Chris will come out of jail and say the merge is happening soon, but hasn't occurred quite yet. --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 15:20, 14 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Definitely agree. I don't see what was wrong with just having the page be named 'Orbiter Wave.' If we're necessarily talking about the jail era, we could just title the page 'Jail Era (2021)'. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 16:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The Jail Era idea sounds good. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:15, 30 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> If I'm reading Chris's [[Jail Letter 2]] right, he seems to be saying the Merge isn't complete just yet. &quot;The conclusion of the Dimension Merge's completion includes the completion of the Collective Shift for the Majority that are Good [...] and judge over the Minority [...] who shall be left behind on 1218 Earth to burn.&quot; [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:28, 10 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Rename ==<br /> <br /> The only section in the entire page is the '''Orbiter Wave''' section, and the article exclusively covers the aforementioned orbiters. I don't see why the page isn't just titled 'Orbiter Wave' if that's what the subject matter is.<br /> <br /> Additionally, Chris confirmed in [[Jail Letter - 19 September 2021|a jail letter]] that he didn't believe the Merge was fully over yet as of mid-September.<br /> {{quotebox|Even the Dimension Merge, literally Completed '''and Concluding,''' the same for the Collective Shift; ALL of This is literally huge chunks of the past, present, and in-progress events, of my Second Coming, Period.}}<br /> He's since changed his mind and said that the Merge ''is'' done, but the title wouldn't make sense in that case either, since many of the orbiters covered were from ''before'' that later letter.<br /> <br /> I don't see any reason to keep the name of the page the way it is anymore. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:17, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think we should put the year in. Like '''2021 Orbiter Wave''' [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:37, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I'm very fond of the &quot;Merge&quot; terminology myself and use it often when discussing this stuff. I'd put the date at 1 August around noon if I had to get that specific but only as a joke. There is very clearly a stark dividing line between 'pre' and 'post' though, especially with all the stuff that wound up coming out and continues to come out about all sorts of people in what Sean called the &quot;CWC sphere&quot; after Chris is no longer online and readily accessible. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271557 2021-10-24T15:18:37Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> :Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> :There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. Regrettably I don't (yet) have real names to put to Kyle, Anaxis, etc. but this stuff has a way of eventually getting revealed.<br /> <br /> :Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> :[[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::My rationale for removing the minor members was that those sections were extremely short - sometimes to the extent that they messed up the page layout - and remained that way for months without any new stuff being added. I (apparently wrongly) assumed that meant that there wasn't any more relevant information about them ''to'' add, and so proposed removing them from prominence if no one had anything more to add on the subject.<br /> ::But if you have new information to add, feel free to expand those sections and move them up the ladder of importance. I've always thought this site didn't really provide a full picture of what exactly happened with the Watchmen and Praetor anyway. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:01, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level]] redacted this:<br /> : Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> Which isn't unreasonable, it's a pretty serious accusation and what I wrote doesn't provide direct connection with Chris ''per se''. The reference I cite shows him, MKR, and Naught discussing this suicide-baiting in what I think is the Watchmen Discord. Not all the context is there (unless HTL wants to provide it) but I doubt Chris was present for that conversation, sounds more like it was from the channels where they socialized among themselves without Chris. There is also an accusation in that thread that Sean, Naught and MKR were working together to cause Chris's suicide but I don't trust the source. So ''direct'' connection to Chris? Only in the sense that this shows what kind of person we're talking about who was involved with Chris. Rephrasing the submission so it makes clear that we're not saying Kyle was involved with Sean and ILJ (only that they shared some similar disturbing interests) in response to HTL's other edit makes sense too. But I think that just on the basis of knowing who we're dealing with it's worth documenting. I am not sure of the appropriate Wiki etiquette tbh so will leave for input from others? [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Generally, we try to avoid including excessive information about a subject's life unrelated to Chris, but here, I don't see much of a problem. It's not ''directly'' related to his interactions with Chris, but neither is the passing mention of Bella being &quot;foot fungus-ridden&quot; on [[Isabella Loretta Janke|her page]]. It provides context, and it's informative on what kind of a person Kyle is, so I'd agree that it should stay. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:08, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I think it can give a misleading picture on his character and role with Chris. Because there's very little about him, so to have the suicide bait thing be the key thing on him, even though it doesn't relate to his dealings with Chris, seems like an issue. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> :::If this is a &quot;misleading&quot; portrait of Kyle, a person who you should clarify that you have had personal contact with, by the way, then you should share the logs which you have admitted are in your possession if they provide mitigating context to the leak that is on lolcow.org. That you haven't done this suggests strongly that they don't, and thus this begins to look like another instance of people covering for friends. Not, as they say, a good look. The suicide-baiting thing is ''absolutely'' key to understanding his role in this stuff because it tells us a bit about who we are dealing with, both in Kyle's specific case and the general caliber of the people who were interacting with Chris in this way (after all, and again going on the limited leaks we have, MKR and Naught, if not others on the server, seemed to find this all very funny.) Taking it down would not only deprive the Wiki of this information but would further undermine it's credibility in general. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Merging major and minor ==<br /> <br /> I think the major and minor classifications are kind of an issue in that whether a person is considered major or minor is speculation based on amount of public info. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:15, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : When you're right, you're right. I'm not fond of the division either and you make a valid point that (most of us at least) are working with incomplete information. For all we know there was much more going on that hasn't leaked yet. There probably is. Don't worry. Everything comes out in the end. Someone will get pissed off or clout hungry enough to leak stuff eventually. But for now (a) your suggestion here is sensible and (b) it might be sensible to make some sort of general statement that not all the facts here are public. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=CWCki:General&diff=271556 2021-10-24T15:18:31Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Doxxing */</p> <hr /> <div>__NEWSECTIONLINK__<br /> <br /> {{Community Portal}}<br /> <br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 1|Archive 1]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 2|Archive 2]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 3]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 4]]<br /> <br /> For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.<br /> <br /> == Standards for inclusion ==<br /> This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> ::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> == Fan videos ==<br /> I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop&amp;#124;polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the &quot;Greene County Conspiracy&quot; trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop&amp;#124;polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Chris and ==<br /> I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> :Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Jerkops can now register new accounts ==<br /> <br /> I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.<br /> <br /> Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.<br /> <br /> I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The future of &quot;corner icons&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Within the last few days, we have seen more &quot;corner icons&quot; being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gatekeepers==<br /> <br /> There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the &quot;Gatekeeping saga&quot;. They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==New Template: To Do==<br /> <br /> Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;xth year of organised trolling&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase &quot;x year of organised trolling&quot; is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say &quot;organised trolling&quot;, or should they just say &quot;x year since Chris' discovery&quot;? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> : I would say &quot;x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise&quot;, because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Agree on &quot;discovery&quot;, I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just &quot;Chris's discovery&quot; is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the &quot;x year of organized trolling,&quot; but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say &quot;''x'' years since Chris's discovery&quot; rather than &quot;''x''th year of organized trolling.&quot;[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==<br /> <br /> Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.<br /> <br /> :[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Contingency ==<br /> <br /> So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Doxxing ==<br /> <br /> In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal. <br /> <br /> Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read &quot;Danielle&quot; and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes &quot;doxing&quot; to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe &quot;doxing&quot;, it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of &quot;doxing&quot;. Just listing names, not so much.<br /> <br /> To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the &quot;Suitress&quot;, random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere]. <br /> <br /> Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially. <br /> <br /> I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being &quot;relevant to Chris&quot; is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)<br /> <br /> But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categoreis that could be added here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused. <br /> <br /> A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.<br /> <br /> Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> P.S. There is only one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;doxing&quot;. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Potential New Direction for the Wiki. &quot;Life Advice&quot;, &quot;Parental Guides&quot;, &quot;How to be Normie and Not Chris&quot;, &quot;Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.<br /> (i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being &quot;MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!&quot;) ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.<br /> <br /> Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:<br /> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography<br /> <br /> https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the<br /> <br /> <br /> Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:<br /> <br /> https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life<br /> <br /> <br /> It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.<br /> <br /> <br /> I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.<br /> <br /> I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.<br /> <br /> This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021<br /> : That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

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<p>SpookyBones: /* Doxxing */</p> <hr /> <div>__NEWSECTIONLINK__<br /> <br /> {{Community Portal}}<br /> <br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 1|Archive 1]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 2|Archive 2]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 3]]<br /> *[[CWCki:General/Archive 3|Archive 4]]<br /> <br /> For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.<br /> <br /> == Standards for inclusion ==<br /> This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> : Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> ::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)<br /> == Fan videos ==<br /> I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop&amp;#124;polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the &quot;Greene County Conspiracy&quot; trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop&amp;#124;polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Chris and ==<br /> I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> :Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> ::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Jerkops can now register new accounts ==<br /> <br /> I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.<br /> <br /> Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.<br /> <br /> I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The future of &quot;corner icons&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Within the last few days, we have seen more &quot;corner icons&quot; being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Gatekeepers==<br /> <br /> There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the &quot;Gatekeeping saga&quot;. They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==New Template: To Do==<br /> <br /> Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == &quot;xth year of organised trolling&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase &quot;x year of organised trolling&quot; is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say &quot;organised trolling&quot;, or should they just say &quot;x year since Chris' discovery&quot;? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> : I would say &quot;x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise&quot;, because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Agree on &quot;discovery&quot;, I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just &quot;Chris's discovery&quot; is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the &quot;x year of organized trolling,&quot; but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say &quot;''x'' years since Chris's discovery&quot; rather than &quot;''x''th year of organized trolling.&quot;[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==<br /> <br /> Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.<br /> <br /> :[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Contingency ==<br /> <br /> So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Doxxing ==<br /> <br /> In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal. <br /> <br /> Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read &quot;Danielle&quot; and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes &quot;doxing&quot; to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe &quot;doxing&quot;, it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of &quot;doxing&quot;. Just listing names, not so much.<br /> <br /> To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the &quot;Suitress&quot;, random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere]. <br /> <br /> Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially. <br /> <br /> I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being &quot;relevant to Chris&quot; is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)<br /> <br /> But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categoreis that could be added here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused. <br /> <br /> A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.<br /> <br /> Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Potential New Direction for the Wiki. &quot;Life Advice&quot;, &quot;Parental Guides&quot;, &quot;How to be Normie and Not Chris&quot;, &quot;Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists&quot; ==<br /> <br /> Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.<br /> (i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being &quot;MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!&quot;) ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.<br /> <br /> Take for instance, this. A sign of the times:<br /> https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography<br /> <br /> https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the<br /> <br /> <br /> Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:<br /> <br /> https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life<br /> <br /> <br /> It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.<br /> <br /> <br /> I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.<br /> <br /> I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.<br /> <br /> This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021<br /> : That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hurtful_Truth_Level&diff=271485 2021-10-23T18:28:23Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Kyle suicide baiting &amp; other Watchmen stuff */</p> <hr /> <div>==Editing your Video Request page==<br /> <br /> Do you have trouble editing the video request page you created? I tried to include two additions from Chris's uploads, &quot;Machine Romans&quot; and &quot;Singing 'All of the Lights'&quot;, but when I save, the page refreshes to an empty website. I don't seem to have this issue with any other page. Is just me or you as well?--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 23:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Yeah. I can't edit it, either. It's happened with several other pages, too. I asked Marvin about it once, and he said it's a 500 error, something to do with a conflict between the version of Mediawiki used here and the captcha.<br /> <br /> If it happens to you again, you can hit backspace and copy the text from the editing window to your computer, so you don't lose your edits.<br /> <br /> Should we ask Marvin to fix it, or create a new Video Request page for August? The original page might get crowded after awhile. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yeah, I'm thinking a month by month basis would be the best option. Chris isn't likely to stop these requests since it's free money—there may be over a hundred of these videos by this time next year. <br /> <br /> **If there's no indication that the problem will resolve itself, I strongly recommend just copying everything over into a new page.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 03:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *The only problem with copying to a new page is that some articles link to the original - http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Paid_Video_Requests - it should be easy to fix the links, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Marvin fixed the 500 error. I've added the two newest videos. I think we should see how many videos Chris makes in August. If it's more than what he did in July, we could easily split the August stuff into another page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris and Religion ==<br /> <br /> Your subsection on Chris's concept of God was informative but I think somewhat inaccurately conjecturable. It's obvious Chris's statement is an effect of his self-identity issue. But rather than his [[I am STRAIGHT|twisted world view]] that women are &quot;so kind and sweet.. and caring&quot;, and that men are &quot;rude, crude, and inconsiderate... causing wars and such&quot;, I think this is more a result of Chris's [[ego]]. <br /> <br /> Going off from the traditional assertions of the CWCki, <br /> Chris is so egocentric, he views God as a cosmic gumball machine (Whose's ultimate nature is make him happy). He believes God has a special interest in his life and should only attend to his needs and wants alone. '''God revolves around Chris.'''<br /> <br /> From this, I think it's more reasonable to assume that Chris's [[autism|inference]] here is a result of a need to alter his conception of God in order to better fit his narrative of &quot;what God is&quot;. God is an instrument of Chris's will. Chris became Christine, therefore GodJesus became GoddessEmanuelle.<br /> <br /> Since you were the first to analyze Chris's statement, I wanted your input before possibly overhauling your comment.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 04:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Good ideas. It's alright with me if you want to edit the article. I think you're right that he wanted to mold God into his own image because of his ego, but it seems to me that his gender issues plays a role as well. There's a theory that he became transgender because of his binary thought pattern of hating men and praising women. Chris wanting God to be in solidarity with him could be a result of both his ego and views on gender. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:49, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Are you experiencing the same bug? ==<br /> <br /> Hey Hurtful. I really appreciate how you helped me in the past. If you wouldn't mind, I was hoping I could explain a new predicament I have and if you could inform me whether you are experiencing the same bug:<br /> <br /> I recently added a new icon to the Subject Matters: [[Template:(Handouts)|Handouts]]. I had a little difficulty modifying the size of the image, but I eventually got that resolved. At first, I had the template link this new icon to the page you created, [[Paid Video Requests]], but then I realized [[Chris and money]] would be more fitting; so I changed it. <br /> <br /> When I'm logged in, there are no issues. <br /> <br /> But when I'm logged out, the icon image reverts to a larger size and it links back to [[Paid Video Requests]]. Since this happens when I'm logged off, I'm worried this might be what everyone else is experiencing. Could you verify this for me?<br /> <br /> On a curious note, I noticed that two of the pages you recently edited [[Donations Requested, Please]] and [[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]] (which include the new icon), do not have this issue when I'm logged out.<br /> <br /> I know this might seem a little confusing or trivial, but I'd really appreciate your input.<br /> <br /> Thanks again for all your help!--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 21:51, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> *It looks fine to me, whether I'm logged in or not - the size is right and it links to Chris and Money. Have you tried using a different browser to view the template? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:33, 16 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *For whatever reason, it seems to have resolved itself. Sorry for the bother!--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 16:54, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *No problem. Good to see it's working well. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Reply re. Timeline month lists==<br /> <br /> Hi, I remembered how to find out who posts anonymously. I've left a reply to your comment on my own User Discussion page; let me know what you think. In the meantime, as a courtesy, I will revert my edits so that your separate lists of videos and Facebook comments appear at the top of each page. However, I want to also include all that stuff within the timeline as well, day by day, in a traditional &quot;Events&quot; format. Maybe other people will chime in on this issue. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise for now. [[User:Asperhes|Asperhes]] ([[User talk:Asperhes|talk]]) 07:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *My mistake - I always forget to sign my name on discussion posts. No need to revert changes. I think you've made a good point about your method.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris and oration ==<br /> <br /> Here's what I have so far for my oration article:<br /> <br /> '''Chris and Oration'''<br /> <br /> Whenever Chris wants to make a point regarding his opinions or his childlike mindset, one way he’ll attempt to move people is through orating his reasoning onto them. Since Chris lacks some of the basic skills needed to make an effective speech, rarely ever plans out anything he makes, has serious communication problems, and never does research, his speeches always turn out lackluster at best and horrifyingly naive at worst.<br /> <br /> ===Chris as a public speaker===<br /> <br /> To put it delicately, Chris simply is incompetent at giving a comprehensive speech that people can follow.<br /> <br /> *He can’t communicate properly<br /> <br /> *He refuses to make a change in himself<br /> <br /> *He lacks respect for opinions that differ from him<br /> <br /> What makes Chris hated by many is that he will make spiteful, hate-filled, sometimes discriminatory comments towards the people he talking about.<br /> <br /> ===Common Traits of Chris’ Speeches===<br /> <br /> *Hate Speech<br /> <br /> One reason why Chris is hated by many is that he spews spiteful, hate-filled, sometimes discriminatory comments at [[Megan Schroeder|people]] [[Michael Snyder|he]] [[Pmurt|feels]] are his enemies.<br /> <br /> *Rhetorics<br /> <br /> Whenever Chris writes a speech, sometimes it is because he wants people to consider to view the world through <br /> <br /> *Bias and One-Sided Arguments<br /> <br /> Most Christorians already know that Chris is as stubborn as a mule. This means that regardless of what evidence you give to him that suggests he’s wrong about something, he’ll always try to find some kind of information out of thin air to further verify his beliefs.<br /> <br /> ===Political Videos===<br /> <br /> Now that Chris has become more vocal about his political views, it makes perfect sense that Chris will want to orate his views onto other people.<br /> <br /> ===Other Examples===<br /> <br /> *Autism Tutorial<br /> <br /> ===In the comics===<br /> <br /> At some point in the comics, many of the characters will give a speech regarding their opinions on the current situation. Other times, Chris will use these same comics to write speeches of his own. The comics turn out to be a very good source for learning about Chris’ orating skills.<br /> <br /> For example, towards the end of Episode 17 in [[Sonichu 8]], Sonichu gives a speech about how [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] is not only triggering Chris by giving Rosechu a [[pickle]], but how doing so somehow drags both his and other United States citizens through the mud.<br /> <br /> ===See Also===<br /> <br /> *[[Chris and politics]] <br /> *[[Chris and English|Speaking Problems]]<br /> *[[Speech Impediment]]<br /> <br /> {{PoliticalVideos}}<br /> {{Chris and}}<br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> I would really like to hear your opinion on it so far, and if you think there's anything I might need to improve upon.<br /> <br /> <br /> *I like it. Looks good so far. Maybe add a summary of [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]? His &quot;NOW, NOW, NOW!&quot; demand is one of the funniest things he's said. I'll try to think of more examples.<br /> <br /> <br /> * I personally think that what this wiki might need is some fact checkers, especially for new articles like mine. Are you any good at fact checking, because I'm not exactly sure if everything in my article is correct or validated, here's the link to the article ---&gt; (https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Chris_and_oration)<br /> <br /> *I'll take a look. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Chris and gender==<br /> <br /> I've added more onto the Chris and gender page since I've felt that needed serious improvement, but it was orphaned for a while. I was adding pictures onto the article and adding two new sections about Chris' stance on Non-binary genders, and how his views on gender affect what happens in the comics. I also feel like the article itself should revolve more about how Chris views gender as a whole more than how sexist he is since that has been discussed in great depth in two of the Chris and... articles, Women's Rights (Chris and sexism) and Jerks (Chris and misandry). [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 2:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Nice work. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Thank you, but don't you kind of think that the page should have a complete make-over? To me, the page as it is is still riddled with flaws, even with the stuff I added to it. The page itself seems to focus more on how sexist Chris is, as well as the tomgirl saga, both of which already have their own articles, and go into a lot more detail into both, rather than how he views gender as a whole, sort of the same way the &quot;Chris and race&quot; was formatted, showing Chris' opinion on both males and females as well as going into detail on other topics such as stereotypes, Genderqueer, and Androgyny. Generally speaking, about 40% of the articles on this wiki could just as easily become Chris and... articles themselves.<br /> <br /> ** For example, the Alchohol article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and alcohol&quot; <br /> ** The Tobacky article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and smoking&quot;<br /> ** The Christmas article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and Christmas&quot;<br /> ** The Wikipedia article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and Wikipedia&quot;<br /> <br /> And you pretty much get the point from this point forward, however, whenever people attempt to make new Chris and, articles, many of the attempts seem to be complete failures. For example, the user page, &quot;Chris and depression&quot;, didn't make it as a Chris and... article because it was highly speculative on a condition that Chris might not even have at all, and the user page &quot;Chris and reliability&quot; also didn't make it as a Chris and... article because it could all just as easily be explained better in other articles like &quot;Chris and hypocrisy&quot; and &quot;Chris and negotiation&quot;.<br /> <br /> In my opinion, a Chris and... article should mainly revolve around broad topics such as:<br /> <br /> **Major Aspects of his life (e.g. &quot;Chris and death&quot;, &quot;Chris and religion&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His Personality/Psyche (e.g. &quot;Chris and anger&quot;, &quot;Chris and stress&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His opinions on society (e.g. &quot;Chris and politics&quot;, &quot;Chris and race&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His means of communication (e.g. &quot;Chris and writing&quot;, &quot;Chris and negotiation&quot;)<br /> **His knowledge of the industry and business, which is especially relevant given the Financhu Crisis (e.g. &quot;Chris and business&quot;, &quot;Chris and copyright&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His skills (e.g. &quot;Chris and art&quot;, &quot;Chris and music&quot;, etc.)<br /> <br /> I'd recommend writing about a broad topic when it comes to Chris and... articles since Chris and... articles need to be of decent length, and writing these articles around a broad topic will guarantee the article is of decent length. They should also go into more detail on the basics of who Chris is. I feel like the Chris and... articles should be made as a means of introducing people who are new to the Chris-Chan bubble to what makes Chris, Chris.<br /> <br /> Finally, despite my new Chris and... articles (&quot;Chris and oration&quot; and &quot;Chris and journalism&quot;) being approved by a few Cwcki users who've looked at them, since they both seem to be important topics that haven't been discussed a whole lot about on this wiki yet, such as Chris' poorly made speeches or how people got to learn about Chris' life, they still haven't gained any approval from admins, which worries me a bit.<br /> <br /> Therefore, I kind of feel like the Chris and gender article needs to improved.<br /> <br /> *My opinion is that gender-related subjects are more relevant to understanding Chris than race, so there's going to be more about that in articles. Feel free to shuffle things around if you see there's too much duplicate commentary, but, on the Gender page, there should probably still be at least a summary of stuff like his views on women's rights, misandry, etc, while linking to the main articles. About your &quot;Chris and&quot; articles... don't worry about the admins. The only active one is Canine, and he's said he doesn't really moderate the wiki (he said this when people asked him whether Chris and politics would be a good article, and he deferred to the wiki editors to decide that). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deletion ==<br /> <br /> Two questions:<br /> <br /> Question one: Do you think [[Chris and nostalgia]] is fixable? It's quite short. Not quite as bad as [[Chris and zealotry]].<br /> <br /> Question two: Can I please get you to delete some stuff that's been sitting around for way too long? <br /> <br /> #[[Inventions]] - tagged since 2013, almost no inbound links<br /> #[[Heathchan]] - empty<br /> #[[29 December 2014]] - empty<br /> #[[Skurvypete]] - empty, blanked by creator<br /> #[[Omar Woodley]] - no relevance to the wiki<br /> #[[Court sightings]] - redundant to [[26 December 2014]]<br /> #[[Holliday Greetings to Karen Riley]] - empty<br /> #[[Chris Compared to other infamous Internet people]] - personal essay with no wiki relevance<br /> #[[Pink sapphires rolex replica figurine]] - empty<br /> #[[Key Pieces Of Baby Pink Bandage Dress]] - empty<br /> <br /> [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] ([[User talk:Apostrophe|talk]]) 03:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *[[Minor CWC-isms]] should also be deleted, since the merge tag has been added since 2009, and overall, it's more efficient to make an index of all of the CWC-isms. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Nostalgia has some potential. Maybe it could be written like [[Chris and brand loyalty]], with sections for things he's really nostalgic about (high school, Megan, BronyCon, etc).<br /> <br /> And sure, I'll start on the deletion list.<br /> <br /> Has all the content from Minor CWC-isms been moved over? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:38, 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yes, everything has been moved, it's just that most of the content has been commented because I didn't finish making all of the entries yet. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Could you delete the [[Gaybian]] page? That never needed to be an article in the first place. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think a redirect would work better, since there are a lot of pages that link to Gaybian. I'll transfer the content to Homos. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:35, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Merged in [[Gaybian]]. Does it look okay where it is? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Sorry for the late reply. To me, the gaybian page, doesn't really need an entire section in any article either, it's probably better as a brief mention, or an entry in the CWC-isms page. Speaking of the Homos page, I don't really think &quot;Homos&quot; really classifies as a CWC-ism, as it's already a modern slang word for homosexual people. I'm mentioning this, because when I was cleaning out the CWC-ism navigation template, I've noticed that a few of the items weren't actual CWC-isms, like &quot;Heart Level&quot;, since Chris never called anything his &quot;Heart Level&quot;, it's just a colloquialism trolls throw around to refer to Chris' &quot;shattered&quot; heart. If anything, &quot;shattered heart&quot; seems like the real CWC-ism. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 24 November 2017<br /> <br /> ::Could you delete the Al-Qaedas redirect page?<br /> <br /> == Patreon ==<br /> <br /> Do you think we should add a Patreon tracker, or, like, a list of how much people are pledging to him at the beginning of each month (when they get charged) to the Patreon page? -[[User:GhostofKittyChandler|GhostofKittyChandler]] ([[User talk:GhostofKittyChandler|talk]]) 18:15, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *The stats are on [https://graphtreon.com/creator/Sonichu Graphtreon]. We could link to that. Manually updating a list on the CWCki might work, but would need someone entering in the number every month. Some tried with the Patreon entry in [[Chris and money#Fan Funding]] but it ended up out of date. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:35, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> **I'll totally update it per month, I love having shit to do on a monthly basis. I'll see if I can get all the numbers from the first of each month since he started his Patreon and make a graph on the page, too. -[[User:GhostofKittyChandler|GhostofKittyChandler]] ([[User talk:GhostofKittyChandler|talk]]) 01:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Nice work on the Patreon list. Interesting to see his total profit. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==About Marvin==<br /> <br /> I am a little out of the loop, but who is Marvin? I know he kind of owns the site, but what is his user name? Since you are the most knowledgeable user in this site, can you tell me? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] 0:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Marvin is one of Chris's trolls. He played the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] during the Emily date. He's also been involved behind-the-scenes with trolling Chris. And yeah, he owns the CWCki - his username here is [[User:Canine|Canine]]. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==An Important Question==<br /> <br /> Who is in control of the icons? The cwcki needs icons for Jessica Quinn and additional shirts. Who can I talk to? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] 22:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> *I think that someone just needs to make them. For example, the Financhu Crisis didn't have an icon until I made one. -[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 22:26, 15 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Good work! ==<br /> <br /> Good work on putting up the [[MAGfest]] article so quickly! (And also thank you for just generally all your work on the site.) --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 19:07, 7 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Thank you. I was just the first to start the MAGfest page - it had other contributors, too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Idea Guy's Identity==<br /> <br /> Now that we know who is the Idea Guy, we should update Da Update. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 22:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Vandalizer present==<br /> <br /> Goes by the name of desudesudesu. It would be nice if he was banned. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> :: If you are here please ban Bobchanman, he has been wreaking havoc for hours. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yeah, he's banned. He was Ironpervhunter's alt, btw. I'll check up here a bit more in case he tries again. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==On Da Update and other concerns==<br /> <br /> What constitute as worthy news for Da Update? Can it be from minor updates on Chris from Kiwi Farms? Also [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Talk:Sonichu_the_Animated_Series this message] worries me as I am the creator of the current Sonichu TAS page. Will this page be deleted and will I get banned for this? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 22:23, 7 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I would personally relax about this. Champ's been retired for a long time and his deletion of the original TAS page came out of the blue (IIRC, no one was expecting it, not even the current admins of the website). Also, I actually do support the new TAS page as I have believed that the deletion of the original page left a gaping whole in the wiki. My message was made just to make sure people know about what happened.<br /> <br /> tl;dr: Relax.<br /> <br /> -[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:57, 7 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Minor updates are fine for Da Update. Nah, you won't get banned for making the Sonichu TAS page. I don't intend to delete it. Champthom could, but like Windows OS said, he's retired. The page was originally deleted because years ago, articles about fan works were cluttering the wiki, even though Chris himself hadn't reacted to them. TAS seems to be popular though, so I think we can make an exception for it, much like the Documentary had a page long before Chris talked about it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Issues with the Picture of the Now== <br /> I tried to resize the Picture of the Now to 200px, however [[Template:Picture_of_the_now|this happened]]. How do I fix this? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *That's weird. Same thing happened with the Cherokee Clan page. I resized it to 150 instead and that seemed to work. Maybe some issue with the cache or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Burnout Paradise Twitch Stream ==<br /> <br /> Has anyone archived the Burnout Paradise twitch stream? [[User:Makuchi|Makuchi]] ([[User talk:Makuchi|talk]]) 20:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I don't believe so, no. Best we have are highlights.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Well that sucks. Another piece of Christory now gone. [[User:Makuchi|Makuchi]] ([[User talk:Makuchi|talk]]) 00:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris has a boyfriend ==<br /> Someone in talks with Chris posted a [https://media.8ch.net/file_store/4239312ed2e37937579c2f4dcd0912e6c82194ec4ab0476e37fc433749d3ca0f.jpg screencapped convo on /cow/ regarding the blowjob thing]. Apparently one of his two sweethearts is in fact a man and Chris has given him oral sex before. I have no idea where to put this. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 22:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *There's a page for the new sweethearts - [[Unknown 2018 sweethearts]] - though I see someone has already added the info from that link. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==More Idea Guys==<br /> Since Null revealed three more Idea Guys, one of them is Stephen Boyd, I say we should add them now. However, should we rework the Idea Guy article to fit them? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 17:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> *My only advice is to be careful with phrasing. The media, as an example, uses words like &quot;alleged&quot; when discussing cases which haven't resolved in court for liability reasons. And in Null's post, he noted that it's unclear whether that person is one of the Idea Guys or not. You should ask [[User:Canine|Canine]] for his opinion, since he owns the CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:16, 14 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Which reversed videos to remove from the site ==<br /> <br /> So, around yesterday, I got a bit of negative attention over the reversed videos that I was posting on the fan videos sections of various wikis, namely the ones on [[Send Me to Too Many Games Convention]], [[I need some local C64 Tech Help, Please]], and [[My Mother WORKED Hard, Spent Hard; Needs Money NOW]]. Which of the other reversed video can I remove from this site (since I did remove some at some point in time)? [[User:Makuchi]] 18:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Fan videos ought to contribute something new to the CWCki. Usually they spoof Chris, draw parallels, or reflect his viewer's perception. Here is a [[DoopieDoOver#Fan Video|prime example]] of such a fan video. Simply reversing Chris's videos isn't entertaining or necessary. The creator doesn't provide any commentary on what Chris is doing, so it's entirely redundant. I would recommend removing every reversed video. The only exceptions I would make is when they provide a [[TooManyGames#Fan Videos|timeline]] or when [[U8C43P2A37A8 y U8C1N023V0L|Chris is speaking backwards.]] Anything short of this ought to be removed immediately.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 22:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> **I did try removing some of the videos months ago but several users here liked it or thought that they were notable enough that they undid the removals. I'll probably do this on a case-by-case basis. If it has less than 250 views then I'll have it removed, unless it's notable enough (i.e. the [[Magical Man Potion]] reversed video). [[User:Makuchi]] 23:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Q&amp;A category ==<br /> <br /> Do we have a category for Q&amp;A articles that don't directly involve Chris? Uncategorised articles include [[Doopie Q&amp;A]] and [[Idea Guy Q&amp;A]].<br /> --[[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *I don't believe so. Those were named after [[Ivy Q&amp;A]], and the categories for that are for the saga itself and [[:Category:Historical Documents]]. Feel free to make a new category if you'd like. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Twitter blocks==<br /> <br /> Thanks for doing the pretty formatting! it is looking really nice! --[[User:DPS2004|DPS2004]] ([[User talk:DPS2004|talk]]) 20:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Heya ==<br /> <br /> I left a message for you on CWCki Club, hope you can read it. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Feedback: skip captcha for legitimate users ==<br /> <br /> Hi there, on a serious note, the reCaptcha service is becoming annoying for legitimate contributors who have to use a VPN for one reason or another, like me.<br /> <br /> I thought it would not hurt to ask if there can be a usergroup for skipping the captcha, or that the Autoconfirmed users group can be reconfigured to skip the captcha (the syntax being &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['skipcaptcha'] = true;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;), and only contain users who have made 10 edits and have been registered for 7 days (the syntax being &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgAutoConfirmAge = 604800;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgAutoConfirmCount = 10;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;). Sorry for sounding technical, because I also run a MediaWiki-powered site.<br /> <br /> Best regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Try asking [[User:Canine|Canine]]. He's the owner and admin of the CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Recovering lost audio recordings ==<br /> <br /> Hey, I figure you'd be able to help since you've been involved much longer than I have; do you know anyone who would have copies of the [[Chris Sex Logs]]? I've only been able to find one clip available online, with the all the other uploads being broken. Thanks! [[User:Thnxbb|Thnxbb]] ([[User talk:Thnxbb|talk]]) 07:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'm not sure, I'll ask a couple people. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Case screenshot names ==<br /> <br /> Hello,<br /> <br /> It’s me with another suggestion: I think we could rename all the court record images to follow a standard naming format, something like &quot;2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GC11008911-00).png&quot; or &quot;2014 Pepper Spray Case (GC14017724-00).png&quot;, and then categorise them all under “Court records” to make it easy for all of us to figure out the source for all the debts. I’ve already started generating the screenshots using the Firefox developer tools, 800 pixels wide with no sidebar, although I preferred to keep the header for sake of authenticity and authority.<br /> <br /> Best regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:15, 7 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Good idea. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:37, 8 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::Sorry if this is a bit long, but here is the suggested file names for the cases I have been able to locate. Unfortunately, there are a few that I cannot locate about four (?) others in the court records, [http://cwcki.club/index.php?threads/finding-some-old-court-records.2062/ as explained] in the CWCki Club thread:<br /> <br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, CR12000095-01).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, CR12000095-02).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GC11008911-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GT11008910-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, CR12000096-01).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GC11008942-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GC11008943-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GT11008941-00).png<br /> ::* 2014 Pepper Spray Case (GC14017724-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Debt Case (GV16000107-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Debt Case (GV16000416-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Dog Case (GC16003018-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Dog Case (GC16003019-00).png<br /> ::* 2017 Debt Case (GV17004097-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Debt Case (GV18000392-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Debt Case (GV18000451-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Mall Trespass Case (Part 1, GC18004278-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Mall Trespass Case (Part 2, GC18003632-00).png<br /> ::* 2019 Debt Case (GV19000149-00).png<br /> ::* 2019 Debt Case (GV19000217-00).png<br /> <br /> ::Again, sorry for the hurry, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 14:54, 8 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think it'd be good to specify the creditors/who is being sued for the debt cases (i.e., 2016 Debt Case (Barbara vs Discover Bank, GV16000107-00). As for the missing files, I guess they were purged from the records after a time. The [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/28_October_2011#Screenshots screenshots] show they were originally filed under Charlottesville's Civil court.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> Hello, I agree in adding the creditor to the file name to make better sense of who is the creditor, bearing in mind that I do not wish for the file name to be too long. In any case, I created [[User:Little Owl/Sandbox|a sandbox]] to refine the new file naming scheme. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 15:56, 9 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> : I think I got the file name format in place (see my sandbox): any thoughts? I also note that some files can be merged, such as [[:File:Mariner Finance vs Chris.png]] and [[:File:20170824 Mariner verdict.png]]: this is because no information is deleted as the case progresses. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 22:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Looks good. Only suggestions I have are that Barb's debt case is Capital One Bank, and case#GC18003632-00 could be named &quot;2018 Mall Trespass Case (Therapeutic Docket record)&quot; or something. Agree about merging files. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Move request ==<br /> <br /> Can you kindly rename [[:File:SchuComicJargon.jpg|this file]] to “File:Sonichu - Jargon Page.jpg” without leaving a redirect?<br /> <br /> Uploaded in March 2011, this is the closest to the original size, and I will be using it to replace duplicates, such as [[:File:E1p1.jpg|this file]].<br /> <br /> I think we are going to need to develop a file name and category structure for the Sonichu pages, given that some stories were “reprinted”.<br /> <br /> Regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Better scans of Issues 12-9 and 16 ==<br /> <br /> Do you think you could re-scan issues 12-9 and 16 for posterity's sake? I'm sorry but the scans cut off at the edges and at the center margins. One way you might be able to get better scans is to take an X-ACTO and cut carefully through the jacket by the inside margin to get the individual and then scan them from there; this way you lay the pages flat against the scanner and get a higher quality scan. Thanks for scanning in the first play by the way. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 01:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Oh, I wasn't the one who scanned them - my friend did. I don't think he'd go for splitting the books apart since he's a collector. He used a portable scanner to get the pages, not sure if he has a flatbed scanner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:15, 19 June 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is everything all right? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that since yesterday, you have reversed ''a lot'' of your own edits to the CWCki, marking all your self-reversals as minor. Is everything all right? [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 20:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::It was a technical mishap that was accidental. Hurtful said that in the Main Page discussion. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 20:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::Yeah, turned out to have been from an app I tried a while back and forgot about. Accidentally opened it the other day while I had the Recent Changes tab open and it hit all the Rollback buttons there simultaneously. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> == Sorry ==<br /> I am really sorry for using British spelling, I thought american english was just dropping all the vowels and saying yee-haw. In another note, for my Chris and biology article, I would like to refer to a textbook from the Virginia education board. I have no idea how burger school system worls and would like to know about when they start teaching biology and what they teach in it. Thanks a ton! - [[User:Klop|Your friendly neighbourhood &amp;#91;&amp;#91;User:Klop&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 16:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::No worries. Wish I could help on the Biology stuff. I think it differs depending on school districts, but it can be a high school class taken as an elective. Dunno if that's what Chris's school had. But Chris didn't learn anything from school anyway, he just slept through it and pulls his beliefs out of his ass, like the Recycling thing. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: Nah its fine, I was having doubts on wether to make the article or not as it will only serve as a place for correcting Chris and won't add anything new about him. But it will be a fun to go through all the nonsense he has said. (Atleast, its fun for me). So should I go ahead with it or not? - [[User:Klop|Your friendly neighbourhood Klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 10:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That's a good point. Personally I think we might have too many Chris And articles and that those should be kept to subjects most relevant to understanding Chris. Otherwise we end up with articles like Politics which are an odd fit when Chris isn't into politics, he just hated one political figure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Calendar==<br /> I worked out how the calendar works, its [[User:Klop/sandbox2|here]]. I'm not sure how to make it into an article, so I need some help. Any ideas? - [[User:Klop|klop &amp;#60;-- fag]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Nice. Looks finished to me. Maybe just add the Sonichu template and file it under the Plot Devices section. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Seasonal intro banner==<br /> Can I add another seasonal intro banner? this one about the tianmen square massacre on june 24. It will have Punchy say something like &quot;Absolutely nothing happend in Tianmen Square this date in 1989. This is my creators wiki and nothing less&quot;. - [[User:Klop|klop &amp;#60;-- fag]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 10:43, 24 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds funny, sure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The Miscreants ==<br /> <br /> I saw that you turned the page to The Miscreants into a redirect for to [[Trolls]]. I feel like it's a worthwhile article to have, or at least as a subsection to the Trolls article, because it covers a very specific set of people from Christory. Would it be possible to reinstate it in some capacity? [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 21:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Fair point. I'll add a condensed version to the Trolls article. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think that it would work as a subsection of the &quot;Classic Era Trolls&quot; bit. Not all trolls from that era associated with them, but the ones that were are among Chris's most infamous tormentors.<br /> <br /> ::Looking at an [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Trolls&amp;oldid=76481 old version of Trolls template], it seems they're basically the same as the Classic Era Trolls. At one point the sweetheart people like Blanca and Julie were [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Trolls&amp;oldid=13752 on the list too] until they got moved to their own template. So maybe a way to do this would be to summarize The Miscreants as a description for the Classic Era Trolls heading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deleting A Page ==<br /> <br /> Hey, there's a template [[Template White Tomgirl with Heart Design|here]] that doesn't fit the mold of the others and is redundant overall. Can you delete it? You seem to be on here a lot, so I figured that I'd ask. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 07:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Deleted it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Sonic World]] Discord ==<br /> <br /> Turns out that someone tried to harass the admin of the Sonic World DX Discord into banning Chris, via their private Instagram account. How should we cover this? --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:12, 20 December 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Admin's reason for banning sounds valid. Even if the ween got the admin's attention first, it's not much different than someone getting reported and an admin looking into the matter. Unless the PMs show admin being on the fence about banning, it's probably not relevant to mention. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == DYK help. ==<br /> <br /> Hello there. I attempted to adjust the DYK template, but in the process it seems like I've just messed up the formatting, and it won't refresh to show anything other than a very specific group. Since you last seemed to fix the problem, I was wondering if you could help with the one that I unwittingly created, and possibly help me understand what I did wrong with adjusting things. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 10:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :I can't tell what the issue is. The formatting seems fine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::The issue on my end is that the facts don't seem to change when you refresh the page, nor does it show all of groups of facts when I tried looking around - it only shows a specific range of options, while outright skipping the entire first selection. Basically, the entire template seems &quot;off&quot; and I can't determine what's wrong with it. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 20:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Would you be able to fix this error? ==<br /> <br /> This page looks different when you are logged out versus when you are logged in: https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Category:Ongoing_events --Actualautist 17:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: Also, why is my signature... --Actualautist 17:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sorry, I can't do anything about it, don't have access to the software. It's been an issue for years that the templates and categories have sync issues. Also you can put the signature by pressing ~ four times. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting &amp; other Watchmen stuff ==<br /> <br /> I am not sure of the proper Wiki etiquette but I left some comments on the relevant talk page. With all due respect though given your closeness to these folks though you might not be the best person to make the decisions on what negative material stays and what is redacted although some of your concerns are legitimate in my mind. It's a serious accusation and the ''more'' serious accusation that I left off we have no evidence for but for the fact that he was into this suicide stuff it's coming from his own mouth in his CWC-related Discord. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Hurtful_Truth_Level&diff=271484 2021-10-23T18:26:27Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Kyle suicide baiting &amp; other Watchmen stuff */</p> <hr /> <div>==Editing your Video Request page==<br /> <br /> Do you have trouble editing the video request page you created? I tried to include two additions from Chris's uploads, &quot;Machine Romans&quot; and &quot;Singing 'All of the Lights'&quot;, but when I save, the page refreshes to an empty website. I don't seem to have this issue with any other page. Is just me or you as well?--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 23:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Yeah. I can't edit it, either. It's happened with several other pages, too. I asked Marvin about it once, and he said it's a 500 error, something to do with a conflict between the version of Mediawiki used here and the captcha.<br /> <br /> If it happens to you again, you can hit backspace and copy the text from the editing window to your computer, so you don't lose your edits.<br /> <br /> Should we ask Marvin to fix it, or create a new Video Request page for August? The original page might get crowded after awhile. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yeah, I'm thinking a month by month basis would be the best option. Chris isn't likely to stop these requests since it's free money—there may be over a hundred of these videos by this time next year. <br /> <br /> **If there's no indication that the problem will resolve itself, I strongly recommend just copying everything over into a new page.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 03:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *The only problem with copying to a new page is that some articles link to the original - http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Paid_Video_Requests - it should be easy to fix the links, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Marvin fixed the 500 error. I've added the two newest videos. I think we should see how many videos Chris makes in August. If it's more than what he did in July, we could easily split the August stuff into another page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris and Religion ==<br /> <br /> Your subsection on Chris's concept of God was informative but I think somewhat inaccurately conjecturable. It's obvious Chris's statement is an effect of his self-identity issue. But rather than his [[I am STRAIGHT|twisted world view]] that women are &quot;so kind and sweet.. and caring&quot;, and that men are &quot;rude, crude, and inconsiderate... causing wars and such&quot;, I think this is more a result of Chris's [[ego]]. <br /> <br /> Going off from the traditional assertions of the CWCki, <br /> Chris is so egocentric, he views God as a cosmic gumball machine (Whose's ultimate nature is make him happy). He believes God has a special interest in his life and should only attend to his needs and wants alone. '''God revolves around Chris.'''<br /> <br /> From this, I think it's more reasonable to assume that Chris's [[autism|inference]] here is a result of a need to alter his conception of God in order to better fit his narrative of &quot;what God is&quot;. God is an instrument of Chris's will. Chris became Christine, therefore GodJesus became GoddessEmanuelle.<br /> <br /> Since you were the first to analyze Chris's statement, I wanted your input before possibly overhauling your comment.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 04:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Good ideas. It's alright with me if you want to edit the article. I think you're right that he wanted to mold God into his own image because of his ego, but it seems to me that his gender issues plays a role as well. There's a theory that he became transgender because of his binary thought pattern of hating men and praising women. Chris wanting God to be in solidarity with him could be a result of both his ego and views on gender. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:49, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Are you experiencing the same bug? ==<br /> <br /> Hey Hurtful. I really appreciate how you helped me in the past. If you wouldn't mind, I was hoping I could explain a new predicament I have and if you could inform me whether you are experiencing the same bug:<br /> <br /> I recently added a new icon to the Subject Matters: [[Template:(Handouts)|Handouts]]. I had a little difficulty modifying the size of the image, but I eventually got that resolved. At first, I had the template link this new icon to the page you created, [[Paid Video Requests]], but then I realized [[Chris and money]] would be more fitting; so I changed it. <br /> <br /> When I'm logged in, there are no issues. <br /> <br /> But when I'm logged out, the icon image reverts to a larger size and it links back to [[Paid Video Requests]]. Since this happens when I'm logged off, I'm worried this might be what everyone else is experiencing. Could you verify this for me?<br /> <br /> On a curious note, I noticed that two of the pages you recently edited [[Donations Requested, Please]] and [[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]] (which include the new icon), do not have this issue when I'm logged out.<br /> <br /> I know this might seem a little confusing or trivial, but I'd really appreciate your input.<br /> <br /> Thanks again for all your help!--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 21:51, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> *It looks fine to me, whether I'm logged in or not - the size is right and it links to Chris and Money. Have you tried using a different browser to view the template? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:33, 16 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *For whatever reason, it seems to have resolved itself. Sorry for the bother!--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 16:54, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *No problem. Good to see it's working well. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Reply re. Timeline month lists==<br /> <br /> Hi, I remembered how to find out who posts anonymously. I've left a reply to your comment on my own User Discussion page; let me know what you think. In the meantime, as a courtesy, I will revert my edits so that your separate lists of videos and Facebook comments appear at the top of each page. However, I want to also include all that stuff within the timeline as well, day by day, in a traditional &quot;Events&quot; format. Maybe other people will chime in on this issue. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise for now. [[User:Asperhes|Asperhes]] ([[User talk:Asperhes|talk]]) 07:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *My mistake - I always forget to sign my name on discussion posts. No need to revert changes. I think you've made a good point about your method.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris and oration ==<br /> <br /> Here's what I have so far for my oration article:<br /> <br /> '''Chris and Oration'''<br /> <br /> Whenever Chris wants to make a point regarding his opinions or his childlike mindset, one way he’ll attempt to move people is through orating his reasoning onto them. Since Chris lacks some of the basic skills needed to make an effective speech, rarely ever plans out anything he makes, has serious communication problems, and never does research, his speeches always turn out lackluster at best and horrifyingly naive at worst.<br /> <br /> ===Chris as a public speaker===<br /> <br /> To put it delicately, Chris simply is incompetent at giving a comprehensive speech that people can follow.<br /> <br /> *He can’t communicate properly<br /> <br /> *He refuses to make a change in himself<br /> <br /> *He lacks respect for opinions that differ from him<br /> <br /> What makes Chris hated by many is that he will make spiteful, hate-filled, sometimes discriminatory comments towards the people he talking about.<br /> <br /> ===Common Traits of Chris’ Speeches===<br /> <br /> *Hate Speech<br /> <br /> One reason why Chris is hated by many is that he spews spiteful, hate-filled, sometimes discriminatory comments at [[Megan Schroeder|people]] [[Michael Snyder|he]] [[Pmurt|feels]] are his enemies.<br /> <br /> *Rhetorics<br /> <br /> Whenever Chris writes a speech, sometimes it is because he wants people to consider to view the world through <br /> <br /> *Bias and One-Sided Arguments<br /> <br /> Most Christorians already know that Chris is as stubborn as a mule. This means that regardless of what evidence you give to him that suggests he’s wrong about something, he’ll always try to find some kind of information out of thin air to further verify his beliefs.<br /> <br /> ===Political Videos===<br /> <br /> Now that Chris has become more vocal about his political views, it makes perfect sense that Chris will want to orate his views onto other people.<br /> <br /> ===Other Examples===<br /> <br /> *Autism Tutorial<br /> <br /> ===In the comics===<br /> <br /> At some point in the comics, many of the characters will give a speech regarding their opinions on the current situation. Other times, Chris will use these same comics to write speeches of his own. The comics turn out to be a very good source for learning about Chris’ orating skills.<br /> <br /> For example, towards the end of Episode 17 in [[Sonichu 8]], Sonichu gives a speech about how [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] is not only triggering Chris by giving Rosechu a [[pickle]], but how doing so somehow drags both his and other United States citizens through the mud.<br /> <br /> ===See Also===<br /> <br /> *[[Chris and politics]] <br /> *[[Chris and English|Speaking Problems]]<br /> *[[Speech Impediment]]<br /> <br /> {{PoliticalVideos}}<br /> {{Chris and}}<br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> I would really like to hear your opinion on it so far, and if you think there's anything I might need to improve upon.<br /> <br /> <br /> *I like it. Looks good so far. Maybe add a summary of [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]? His &quot;NOW, NOW, NOW!&quot; demand is one of the funniest things he's said. I'll try to think of more examples.<br /> <br /> <br /> * I personally think that what this wiki might need is some fact checkers, especially for new articles like mine. Are you any good at fact checking, because I'm not exactly sure if everything in my article is correct or validated, here's the link to the article ---&gt; (https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Chris_and_oration)<br /> <br /> *I'll take a look. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Chris and gender==<br /> <br /> I've added more onto the Chris and gender page since I've felt that needed serious improvement, but it was orphaned for a while. I was adding pictures onto the article and adding two new sections about Chris' stance on Non-binary genders, and how his views on gender affect what happens in the comics. I also feel like the article itself should revolve more about how Chris views gender as a whole more than how sexist he is since that has been discussed in great depth in two of the Chris and... articles, Women's Rights (Chris and sexism) and Jerks (Chris and misandry). [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 2:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Nice work. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Thank you, but don't you kind of think that the page should have a complete make-over? To me, the page as it is is still riddled with flaws, even with the stuff I added to it. The page itself seems to focus more on how sexist Chris is, as well as the tomgirl saga, both of which already have their own articles, and go into a lot more detail into both, rather than how he views gender as a whole, sort of the same way the &quot;Chris and race&quot; was formatted, showing Chris' opinion on both males and females as well as going into detail on other topics such as stereotypes, Genderqueer, and Androgyny. Generally speaking, about 40% of the articles on this wiki could just as easily become Chris and... articles themselves.<br /> <br /> ** For example, the Alchohol article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and alcohol&quot; <br /> ** The Tobacky article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and smoking&quot;<br /> ** The Christmas article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and Christmas&quot;<br /> ** The Wikipedia article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and Wikipedia&quot;<br /> <br /> And you pretty much get the point from this point forward, however, whenever people attempt to make new Chris and, articles, many of the attempts seem to be complete failures. For example, the user page, &quot;Chris and depression&quot;, didn't make it as a Chris and... article because it was highly speculative on a condition that Chris might not even have at all, and the user page &quot;Chris and reliability&quot; also didn't make it as a Chris and... article because it could all just as easily be explained better in other articles like &quot;Chris and hypocrisy&quot; and &quot;Chris and negotiation&quot;.<br /> <br /> In my opinion, a Chris and... article should mainly revolve around broad topics such as:<br /> <br /> **Major Aspects of his life (e.g. &quot;Chris and death&quot;, &quot;Chris and religion&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His Personality/Psyche (e.g. &quot;Chris and anger&quot;, &quot;Chris and stress&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His opinions on society (e.g. &quot;Chris and politics&quot;, &quot;Chris and race&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His means of communication (e.g. &quot;Chris and writing&quot;, &quot;Chris and negotiation&quot;)<br /> **His knowledge of the industry and business, which is especially relevant given the Financhu Crisis (e.g. &quot;Chris and business&quot;, &quot;Chris and copyright&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His skills (e.g. &quot;Chris and art&quot;, &quot;Chris and music&quot;, etc.)<br /> <br /> I'd recommend writing about a broad topic when it comes to Chris and... articles since Chris and... articles need to be of decent length, and writing these articles around a broad topic will guarantee the article is of decent length. They should also go into more detail on the basics of who Chris is. I feel like the Chris and... articles should be made as a means of introducing people who are new to the Chris-Chan bubble to what makes Chris, Chris.<br /> <br /> Finally, despite my new Chris and... articles (&quot;Chris and oration&quot; and &quot;Chris and journalism&quot;) being approved by a few Cwcki users who've looked at them, since they both seem to be important topics that haven't been discussed a whole lot about on this wiki yet, such as Chris' poorly made speeches or how people got to learn about Chris' life, they still haven't gained any approval from admins, which worries me a bit.<br /> <br /> Therefore, I kind of feel like the Chris and gender article needs to improved.<br /> <br /> *My opinion is that gender-related subjects are more relevant to understanding Chris than race, so there's going to be more about that in articles. Feel free to shuffle things around if you see there's too much duplicate commentary, but, on the Gender page, there should probably still be at least a summary of stuff like his views on women's rights, misandry, etc, while linking to the main articles. About your &quot;Chris and&quot; articles... don't worry about the admins. The only active one is Canine, and he's said he doesn't really moderate the wiki (he said this when people asked him whether Chris and politics would be a good article, and he deferred to the wiki editors to decide that). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deletion ==<br /> <br /> Two questions:<br /> <br /> Question one: Do you think [[Chris and nostalgia]] is fixable? It's quite short. Not quite as bad as [[Chris and zealotry]].<br /> <br /> Question two: Can I please get you to delete some stuff that's been sitting around for way too long? <br /> <br /> #[[Inventions]] - tagged since 2013, almost no inbound links<br /> #[[Heathchan]] - empty<br /> #[[29 December 2014]] - empty<br /> #[[Skurvypete]] - empty, blanked by creator<br /> #[[Omar Woodley]] - no relevance to the wiki<br /> #[[Court sightings]] - redundant to [[26 December 2014]]<br /> #[[Holliday Greetings to Karen Riley]] - empty<br /> #[[Chris Compared to other infamous Internet people]] - personal essay with no wiki relevance<br /> #[[Pink sapphires rolex replica figurine]] - empty<br /> #[[Key Pieces Of Baby Pink Bandage Dress]] - empty<br /> <br /> [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] ([[User talk:Apostrophe|talk]]) 03:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *[[Minor CWC-isms]] should also be deleted, since the merge tag has been added since 2009, and overall, it's more efficient to make an index of all of the CWC-isms. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Nostalgia has some potential. Maybe it could be written like [[Chris and brand loyalty]], with sections for things he's really nostalgic about (high school, Megan, BronyCon, etc).<br /> <br /> And sure, I'll start on the deletion list.<br /> <br /> Has all the content from Minor CWC-isms been moved over? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:38, 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yes, everything has been moved, it's just that most of the content has been commented because I didn't finish making all of the entries yet. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Could you delete the [[Gaybian]] page? That never needed to be an article in the first place. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think a redirect would work better, since there are a lot of pages that link to Gaybian. I'll transfer the content to Homos. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:35, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Merged in [[Gaybian]]. Does it look okay where it is? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Sorry for the late reply. To me, the gaybian page, doesn't really need an entire section in any article either, it's probably better as a brief mention, or an entry in the CWC-isms page. Speaking of the Homos page, I don't really think &quot;Homos&quot; really classifies as a CWC-ism, as it's already a modern slang word for homosexual people. I'm mentioning this, because when I was cleaning out the CWC-ism navigation template, I've noticed that a few of the items weren't actual CWC-isms, like &quot;Heart Level&quot;, since Chris never called anything his &quot;Heart Level&quot;, it's just a colloquialism trolls throw around to refer to Chris' &quot;shattered&quot; heart. If anything, &quot;shattered heart&quot; seems like the real CWC-ism. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 24 November 2017<br /> <br /> ::Could you delete the Al-Qaedas redirect page?<br /> <br /> == Patreon ==<br /> <br /> Do you think we should add a Patreon tracker, or, like, a list of how much people are pledging to him at the beginning of each month (when they get charged) to the Patreon page? -[[User:GhostofKittyChandler|GhostofKittyChandler]] ([[User talk:GhostofKittyChandler|talk]]) 18:15, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *The stats are on [https://graphtreon.com/creator/Sonichu Graphtreon]. We could link to that. Manually updating a list on the CWCki might work, but would need someone entering in the number every month. Some tried with the Patreon entry in [[Chris and money#Fan Funding]] but it ended up out of date. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:35, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> **I'll totally update it per month, I love having shit to do on a monthly basis. I'll see if I can get all the numbers from the first of each month since he started his Patreon and make a graph on the page, too. -[[User:GhostofKittyChandler|GhostofKittyChandler]] ([[User talk:GhostofKittyChandler|talk]]) 01:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Nice work on the Patreon list. Interesting to see his total profit. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==About Marvin==<br /> <br /> I am a little out of the loop, but who is Marvin? I know he kind of owns the site, but what is his user name? Since you are the most knowledgeable user in this site, can you tell me? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] 0:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Marvin is one of Chris's trolls. He played the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] during the Emily date. He's also been involved behind-the-scenes with trolling Chris. And yeah, he owns the CWCki - his username here is [[User:Canine|Canine]]. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==An Important Question==<br /> <br /> Who is in control of the icons? The cwcki needs icons for Jessica Quinn and additional shirts. Who can I talk to? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] 22:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> *I think that someone just needs to make them. For example, the Financhu Crisis didn't have an icon until I made one. -[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 22:26, 15 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Good work! ==<br /> <br /> Good work on putting up the [[MAGfest]] article so quickly! (And also thank you for just generally all your work on the site.) --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 19:07, 7 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Thank you. I was just the first to start the MAGfest page - it had other contributors, too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Idea Guy's Identity==<br /> <br /> Now that we know who is the Idea Guy, we should update Da Update. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 22:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Vandalizer present==<br /> <br /> Goes by the name of desudesudesu. It would be nice if he was banned. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> :: If you are here please ban Bobchanman, he has been wreaking havoc for hours. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yeah, he's banned. He was Ironpervhunter's alt, btw. I'll check up here a bit more in case he tries again. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==On Da Update and other concerns==<br /> <br /> What constitute as worthy news for Da Update? Can it be from minor updates on Chris from Kiwi Farms? Also [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Talk:Sonichu_the_Animated_Series this message] worries me as I am the creator of the current Sonichu TAS page. Will this page be deleted and will I get banned for this? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 22:23, 7 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I would personally relax about this. Champ's been retired for a long time and his deletion of the original TAS page came out of the blue (IIRC, no one was expecting it, not even the current admins of the website). Also, I actually do support the new TAS page as I have believed that the deletion of the original page left a gaping whole in the wiki. My message was made just to make sure people know about what happened.<br /> <br /> tl;dr: Relax.<br /> <br /> -[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:57, 7 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Minor updates are fine for Da Update. Nah, you won't get banned for making the Sonichu TAS page. I don't intend to delete it. Champthom could, but like Windows OS said, he's retired. The page was originally deleted because years ago, articles about fan works were cluttering the wiki, even though Chris himself hadn't reacted to them. TAS seems to be popular though, so I think we can make an exception for it, much like the Documentary had a page long before Chris talked about it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Issues with the Picture of the Now== <br /> I tried to resize the Picture of the Now to 200px, however [[Template:Picture_of_the_now|this happened]]. How do I fix this? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *That's weird. Same thing happened with the Cherokee Clan page. I resized it to 150 instead and that seemed to work. Maybe some issue with the cache or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Burnout Paradise Twitch Stream ==<br /> <br /> Has anyone archived the Burnout Paradise twitch stream? [[User:Makuchi|Makuchi]] ([[User talk:Makuchi|talk]]) 20:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I don't believe so, no. Best we have are highlights.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Well that sucks. Another piece of Christory now gone. [[User:Makuchi|Makuchi]] ([[User talk:Makuchi|talk]]) 00:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris has a boyfriend ==<br /> Someone in talks with Chris posted a [https://media.8ch.net/file_store/4239312ed2e37937579c2f4dcd0912e6c82194ec4ab0476e37fc433749d3ca0f.jpg screencapped convo on /cow/ regarding the blowjob thing]. Apparently one of his two sweethearts is in fact a man and Chris has given him oral sex before. I have no idea where to put this. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 22:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *There's a page for the new sweethearts - [[Unknown 2018 sweethearts]] - though I see someone has already added the info from that link. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==More Idea Guys==<br /> Since Null revealed three more Idea Guys, one of them is Stephen Boyd, I say we should add them now. However, should we rework the Idea Guy article to fit them? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 17:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> *My only advice is to be careful with phrasing. The media, as an example, uses words like &quot;alleged&quot; when discussing cases which haven't resolved in court for liability reasons. And in Null's post, he noted that it's unclear whether that person is one of the Idea Guys or not. You should ask [[User:Canine|Canine]] for his opinion, since he owns the CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:16, 14 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Which reversed videos to remove from the site ==<br /> <br /> So, around yesterday, I got a bit of negative attention over the reversed videos that I was posting on the fan videos sections of various wikis, namely the ones on [[Send Me to Too Many Games Convention]], [[I need some local C64 Tech Help, Please]], and [[My Mother WORKED Hard, Spent Hard; Needs Money NOW]]. Which of the other reversed video can I remove from this site (since I did remove some at some point in time)? [[User:Makuchi]] 18:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Fan videos ought to contribute something new to the CWCki. Usually they spoof Chris, draw parallels, or reflect his viewer's perception. Here is a [[DoopieDoOver#Fan Video|prime example]] of such a fan video. Simply reversing Chris's videos isn't entertaining or necessary. The creator doesn't provide any commentary on what Chris is doing, so it's entirely redundant. I would recommend removing every reversed video. The only exceptions I would make is when they provide a [[TooManyGames#Fan Videos|timeline]] or when [[U8C43P2A37A8 y U8C1N023V0L|Chris is speaking backwards.]] Anything short of this ought to be removed immediately.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 22:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> **I did try removing some of the videos months ago but several users here liked it or thought that they were notable enough that they undid the removals. I'll probably do this on a case-by-case basis. If it has less than 250 views then I'll have it removed, unless it's notable enough (i.e. the [[Magical Man Potion]] reversed video). [[User:Makuchi]] 23:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Q&amp;A category ==<br /> <br /> Do we have a category for Q&amp;A articles that don't directly involve Chris? Uncategorised articles include [[Doopie Q&amp;A]] and [[Idea Guy Q&amp;A]].<br /> --[[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *I don't believe so. Those were named after [[Ivy Q&amp;A]], and the categories for that are for the saga itself and [[:Category:Historical Documents]]. Feel free to make a new category if you'd like. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Twitter blocks==<br /> <br /> Thanks for doing the pretty formatting! it is looking really nice! --[[User:DPS2004|DPS2004]] ([[User talk:DPS2004|talk]]) 20:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Heya ==<br /> <br /> I left a message for you on CWCki Club, hope you can read it. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Feedback: skip captcha for legitimate users ==<br /> <br /> Hi there, on a serious note, the reCaptcha service is becoming annoying for legitimate contributors who have to use a VPN for one reason or another, like me.<br /> <br /> I thought it would not hurt to ask if there can be a usergroup for skipping the captcha, or that the Autoconfirmed users group can be reconfigured to skip the captcha (the syntax being &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['skipcaptcha'] = true;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;), and only contain users who have made 10 edits and have been registered for 7 days (the syntax being &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgAutoConfirmAge = 604800;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgAutoConfirmCount = 10;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;). Sorry for sounding technical, because I also run a MediaWiki-powered site.<br /> <br /> Best regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Try asking [[User:Canine|Canine]]. He's the owner and admin of the CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Recovering lost audio recordings ==<br /> <br /> Hey, I figure you'd be able to help since you've been involved much longer than I have; do you know anyone who would have copies of the [[Chris Sex Logs]]? I've only been able to find one clip available online, with the all the other uploads being broken. Thanks! [[User:Thnxbb|Thnxbb]] ([[User talk:Thnxbb|talk]]) 07:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'm not sure, I'll ask a couple people. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Case screenshot names ==<br /> <br /> Hello,<br /> <br /> It’s me with another suggestion: I think we could rename all the court record images to follow a standard naming format, something like &quot;2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GC11008911-00).png&quot; or &quot;2014 Pepper Spray Case (GC14017724-00).png&quot;, and then categorise them all under “Court records” to make it easy for all of us to figure out the source for all the debts. I’ve already started generating the screenshots using the Firefox developer tools, 800 pixels wide with no sidebar, although I preferred to keep the header for sake of authenticity and authority.<br /> <br /> Best regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:15, 7 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Good idea. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:37, 8 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::Sorry if this is a bit long, but here is the suggested file names for the cases I have been able to locate. Unfortunately, there are a few that I cannot locate about four (?) others in the court records, [http://cwcki.club/index.php?threads/finding-some-old-court-records.2062/ as explained] in the CWCki Club thread:<br /> <br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, CR12000095-01).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, CR12000095-02).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GC11008911-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GT11008910-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, CR12000096-01).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GC11008942-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GC11008943-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GT11008941-00).png<br /> ::* 2014 Pepper Spray Case (GC14017724-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Debt Case (GV16000107-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Debt Case (GV16000416-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Dog Case (GC16003018-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Dog Case (GC16003019-00).png<br /> ::* 2017 Debt Case (GV17004097-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Debt Case (GV18000392-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Debt Case (GV18000451-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Mall Trespass Case (Part 1, GC18004278-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Mall Trespass Case (Part 2, GC18003632-00).png<br /> ::* 2019 Debt Case (GV19000149-00).png<br /> ::* 2019 Debt Case (GV19000217-00).png<br /> <br /> ::Again, sorry for the hurry, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 14:54, 8 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think it'd be good to specify the creditors/who is being sued for the debt cases (i.e., 2016 Debt Case (Barbara vs Discover Bank, GV16000107-00). As for the missing files, I guess they were purged from the records after a time. The [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/28_October_2011#Screenshots screenshots] show they were originally filed under Charlottesville's Civil court.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> Hello, I agree in adding the creditor to the file name to make better sense of who is the creditor, bearing in mind that I do not wish for the file name to be too long. In any case, I created [[User:Little Owl/Sandbox|a sandbox]] to refine the new file naming scheme. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 15:56, 9 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> : I think I got the file name format in place (see my sandbox): any thoughts? I also note that some files can be merged, such as [[:File:Mariner Finance vs Chris.png]] and [[:File:20170824 Mariner verdict.png]]: this is because no information is deleted as the case progresses. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 22:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Looks good. Only suggestions I have are that Barb's debt case is Capital One Bank, and case#GC18003632-00 could be named &quot;2018 Mall Trespass Case (Therapeutic Docket record)&quot; or something. Agree about merging files. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Move request ==<br /> <br /> Can you kindly rename [[:File:SchuComicJargon.jpg|this file]] to “File:Sonichu - Jargon Page.jpg” without leaving a redirect?<br /> <br /> Uploaded in March 2011, this is the closest to the original size, and I will be using it to replace duplicates, such as [[:File:E1p1.jpg|this file]].<br /> <br /> I think we are going to need to develop a file name and category structure for the Sonichu pages, given that some stories were “reprinted”.<br /> <br /> Regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Better scans of Issues 12-9 and 16 ==<br /> <br /> Do you think you could re-scan issues 12-9 and 16 for posterity's sake? I'm sorry but the scans cut off at the edges and at the center margins. One way you might be able to get better scans is to take an X-ACTO and cut carefully through the jacket by the inside margin to get the individual and then scan them from there; this way you lay the pages flat against the scanner and get a higher quality scan. Thanks for scanning in the first play by the way. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 01:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Oh, I wasn't the one who scanned them - my friend did. I don't think he'd go for splitting the books apart since he's a collector. He used a portable scanner to get the pages, not sure if he has a flatbed scanner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:15, 19 June 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is everything all right? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that since yesterday, you have reversed ''a lot'' of your own edits to the CWCki, marking all your self-reversals as minor. Is everything all right? [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 20:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::It was a technical mishap that was accidental. Hurtful said that in the Main Page discussion. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 20:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::Yeah, turned out to have been from an app I tried a while back and forgot about. Accidentally opened it the other day while I had the Recent Changes tab open and it hit all the Rollback buttons there simultaneously. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> == Sorry ==<br /> I am really sorry for using British spelling, I thought american english was just dropping all the vowels and saying yee-haw. In another note, for my Chris and biology article, I would like to refer to a textbook from the Virginia education board. I have no idea how burger school system worls and would like to know about when they start teaching biology and what they teach in it. Thanks a ton! - [[User:Klop|Your friendly neighbourhood &amp;#91;&amp;#91;User:Klop&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 16:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::No worries. Wish I could help on the Biology stuff. I think it differs depending on school districts, but it can be a high school class taken as an elective. Dunno if that's what Chris's school had. But Chris didn't learn anything from school anyway, he just slept through it and pulls his beliefs out of his ass, like the Recycling thing. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: Nah its fine, I was having doubts on wether to make the article or not as it will only serve as a place for correcting Chris and won't add anything new about him. But it will be a fun to go through all the nonsense he has said. (Atleast, its fun for me). So should I go ahead with it or not? - [[User:Klop|Your friendly neighbourhood Klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 10:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That's a good point. Personally I think we might have too many Chris And articles and that those should be kept to subjects most relevant to understanding Chris. Otherwise we end up with articles like Politics which are an odd fit when Chris isn't into politics, he just hated one political figure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Calendar==<br /> I worked out how the calendar works, its [[User:Klop/sandbox2|here]]. I'm not sure how to make it into an article, so I need some help. Any ideas? - [[User:Klop|klop &amp;#60;-- fag]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Nice. Looks finished to me. Maybe just add the Sonichu template and file it under the Plot Devices section. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Seasonal intro banner==<br /> Can I add another seasonal intro banner? this one about the tianmen square massacre on june 24. It will have Punchy say something like &quot;Absolutely nothing happend in Tianmen Square this date in 1989. This is my creators wiki and nothing less&quot;. - [[User:Klop|klop &amp;#60;-- fag]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 10:43, 24 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds funny, sure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The Miscreants ==<br /> <br /> I saw that you turned the page to The Miscreants into a redirect for to [[Trolls]]. I feel like it's a worthwhile article to have, or at least as a subsection to the Trolls article, because it covers a very specific set of people from Christory. Would it be possible to reinstate it in some capacity? [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 21:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Fair point. I'll add a condensed version to the Trolls article. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think that it would work as a subsection of the &quot;Classic Era Trolls&quot; bit. Not all trolls from that era associated with them, but the ones that were are among Chris's most infamous tormentors.<br /> <br /> ::Looking at an [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Trolls&amp;oldid=76481 old version of Trolls template], it seems they're basically the same as the Classic Era Trolls. At one point the sweetheart people like Blanca and Julie were [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Trolls&amp;oldid=13752 on the list too] until they got moved to their own template. So maybe a way to do this would be to summarize The Miscreants as a description for the Classic Era Trolls heading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deleting A Page ==<br /> <br /> Hey, there's a template [[Template White Tomgirl with Heart Design|here]] that doesn't fit the mold of the others and is redundant overall. Can you delete it? You seem to be on here a lot, so I figured that I'd ask. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 07:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Deleted it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Sonic World]] Discord ==<br /> <br /> Turns out that someone tried to harass the admin of the Sonic World DX Discord into banning Chris, via their private Instagram account. How should we cover this? --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:12, 20 December 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Admin's reason for banning sounds valid. Even if the ween got the admin's attention first, it's not much different than someone getting reported and an admin looking into the matter. Unless the PMs show admin being on the fence about banning, it's probably not relevant to mention. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == DYK help. ==<br /> <br /> Hello there. I attempted to adjust the DYK template, but in the process it seems like I've just messed up the formatting, and it won't refresh to show anything other than a very specific group. Since you last seemed to fix the problem, I was wondering if you could help with the one that I unwittingly created, and possibly help me understand what I did wrong with adjusting things. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 10:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :I can't tell what the issue is. The formatting seems fine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::The issue on my end is that the facts don't seem to change when you refresh the page, nor does it show all of groups of facts when I tried looking around - it only shows a specific range of options, while outright skipping the entire first selection. Basically, the entire template seems &quot;off&quot; and I can't determine what's wrong with it. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 20:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Would you be able to fix this error? ==<br /> <br /> This page looks different when you are logged out versus when you are logged in: https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Category:Ongoing_events --Actualautist 17:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: Also, why is my signature... --Actualautist 17:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sorry, I can't do anything about it, don't have access to the software. It's been an issue for years that the templates and categories have sync issues. Also you can put the signature by pressing ~ four times. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting &amp; other Watchmen stuff ==<br /> <br /> I am not sure of the proper Wiki etiquette but I left some comments on the relevant talk page. With all due respect though given your closeness to these folks though you might not be the best person to make the decisions on what negative material stays and what is redacted. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

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<p>SpookyBones: /* Would you be able to fix this error? */</p> <hr /> <div>==Editing your Video Request page==<br /> <br /> Do you have trouble editing the video request page you created? I tried to include two additions from Chris's uploads, &quot;Machine Romans&quot; and &quot;Singing 'All of the Lights'&quot;, but when I save, the page refreshes to an empty website. I don't seem to have this issue with any other page. Is just me or you as well?--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 23:56, 8 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Yeah. I can't edit it, either. It's happened with several other pages, too. I asked Marvin about it once, and he said it's a 500 error, something to do with a conflict between the version of Mediawiki used here and the captcha.<br /> <br /> If it happens to you again, you can hit backspace and copy the text from the editing window to your computer, so you don't lose your edits.<br /> <br /> Should we ask Marvin to fix it, or create a new Video Request page for August? The original page might get crowded after awhile. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:36, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yeah, I'm thinking a month by month basis would be the best option. Chris isn't likely to stop these requests since it's free money—there may be over a hundred of these videos by this time next year. <br /> <br /> **If there's no indication that the problem will resolve itself, I strongly recommend just copying everything over into a new page.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 03:15, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *The only problem with copying to a new page is that some articles link to the original - http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:WhatLinksHere/Paid_Video_Requests - it should be easy to fix the links, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:13, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Marvin fixed the 500 error. I've added the two newest videos. I think we should see how many videos Chris makes in August. If it's more than what he did in July, we could easily split the August stuff into another page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:22, 9 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris and Religion ==<br /> <br /> Your subsection on Chris's concept of God was informative but I think somewhat inaccurately conjecturable. It's obvious Chris's statement is an effect of his self-identity issue. But rather than his [[I am STRAIGHT|twisted world view]] that women are &quot;so kind and sweet.. and caring&quot;, and that men are &quot;rude, crude, and inconsiderate... causing wars and such&quot;, I think this is more a result of Chris's [[ego]]. <br /> <br /> Going off from the traditional assertions of the CWCki, <br /> Chris is so egocentric, he views God as a cosmic gumball machine (Whose's ultimate nature is make him happy). He believes God has a special interest in his life and should only attend to his needs and wants alone. '''God revolves around Chris.'''<br /> <br /> From this, I think it's more reasonable to assume that Chris's [[autism|inference]] here is a result of a need to alter his conception of God in order to better fit his narrative of &quot;what God is&quot;. God is an instrument of Chris's will. Chris became Christine, therefore GodJesus became GoddessEmanuelle.<br /> <br /> Since you were the first to analyze Chris's statement, I wanted your input before possibly overhauling your comment.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 04:07, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> Good ideas. It's alright with me if you want to edit the article. I think you're right that he wanted to mold God into his own image because of his ego, but it seems to me that his gender issues plays a role as well. There's a theory that he became transgender because of his binary thought pattern of hating men and praising women. Chris wanting God to be in solidarity with him could be a result of both his ego and views on gender. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:49, 20 August 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Are you experiencing the same bug? ==<br /> <br /> Hey Hurtful. I really appreciate how you helped me in the past. If you wouldn't mind, I was hoping I could explain a new predicament I have and if you could inform me whether you are experiencing the same bug:<br /> <br /> I recently added a new icon to the Subject Matters: [[Template:(Handouts)|Handouts]]. I had a little difficulty modifying the size of the image, but I eventually got that resolved. At first, I had the template link this new icon to the page you created, [[Paid Video Requests]], but then I realized [[Chris and money]] would be more fitting; so I changed it. <br /> <br /> When I'm logged in, there are no issues. <br /> <br /> But when I'm logged out, the icon image reverts to a larger size and it links back to [[Paid Video Requests]]. Since this happens when I'm logged off, I'm worried this might be what everyone else is experiencing. Could you verify this for me?<br /> <br /> On a curious note, I noticed that two of the pages you recently edited [[Donations Requested, Please]] and [[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]] (which include the new icon), do not have this issue when I'm logged out.<br /> <br /> I know this might seem a little confusing or trivial, but I'd really appreciate your input.<br /> <br /> Thanks again for all your help!--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 21:51, 15 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> *It looks fine to me, whether I'm logged in or not - the size is right and it links to Chris and Money. Have you tried using a different browser to view the template? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:33, 16 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *For whatever reason, it seems to have resolved itself. Sorry for the bother!--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 16:54, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *No problem. Good to see it's working well. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:59, 17 October 2016 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Reply re. Timeline month lists==<br /> <br /> Hi, I remembered how to find out who posts anonymously. I've left a reply to your comment on my own User Discussion page; let me know what you think. In the meantime, as a courtesy, I will revert my edits so that your separate lists of videos and Facebook comments appear at the top of each page. However, I want to also include all that stuff within the timeline as well, day by day, in a traditional &quot;Events&quot; format. Maybe other people will chime in on this issue. I hope this is a satisfactory compromise for now. [[User:Asperhes|Asperhes]] ([[User talk:Asperhes|talk]]) 07:47, 8 May 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *My mistake - I always forget to sign my name on discussion posts. No need to revert changes. I think you've made a good point about your method.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:51, 8 May 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris and oration ==<br /> <br /> Here's what I have so far for my oration article:<br /> <br /> '''Chris and Oration'''<br /> <br /> Whenever Chris wants to make a point regarding his opinions or his childlike mindset, one way he’ll attempt to move people is through orating his reasoning onto them. Since Chris lacks some of the basic skills needed to make an effective speech, rarely ever plans out anything he makes, has serious communication problems, and never does research, his speeches always turn out lackluster at best and horrifyingly naive at worst.<br /> <br /> ===Chris as a public speaker===<br /> <br /> To put it delicately, Chris simply is incompetent at giving a comprehensive speech that people can follow.<br /> <br /> *He can’t communicate properly<br /> <br /> *He refuses to make a change in himself<br /> <br /> *He lacks respect for opinions that differ from him<br /> <br /> What makes Chris hated by many is that he will make spiteful, hate-filled, sometimes discriminatory comments towards the people he talking about.<br /> <br /> ===Common Traits of Chris’ Speeches===<br /> <br /> *Hate Speech<br /> <br /> One reason why Chris is hated by many is that he spews spiteful, hate-filled, sometimes discriminatory comments at [[Megan Schroeder|people]] [[Michael Snyder|he]] [[Pmurt|feels]] are his enemies.<br /> <br /> *Rhetorics<br /> <br /> Whenever Chris writes a speech, sometimes it is because he wants people to consider to view the world through <br /> <br /> *Bias and One-Sided Arguments<br /> <br /> Most Christorians already know that Chris is as stubborn as a mule. This means that regardless of what evidence you give to him that suggests he’s wrong about something, he’ll always try to find some kind of information out of thin air to further verify his beliefs.<br /> <br /> ===Political Videos===<br /> <br /> Now that Chris has become more vocal about his political views, it makes perfect sense that Chris will want to orate his views onto other people.<br /> <br /> ===Other Examples===<br /> <br /> *Autism Tutorial<br /> <br /> ===In the comics===<br /> <br /> At some point in the comics, many of the characters will give a speech regarding their opinions on the current situation. Other times, Chris will use these same comics to write speeches of his own. The comics turn out to be a very good source for learning about Chris’ orating skills.<br /> <br /> For example, towards the end of Episode 17 in [[Sonichu 8]], Sonichu gives a speech about how [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] is not only triggering Chris by giving Rosechu a [[pickle]], but how doing so somehow drags both his and other United States citizens through the mud.<br /> <br /> ===See Also===<br /> <br /> *[[Chris and politics]] <br /> *[[Chris and English|Speaking Problems]]<br /> *[[Speech Impediment]]<br /> <br /> {{PoliticalVideos}}<br /> {{Chris and}}<br /> <br /> ----<br /> <br /> I would really like to hear your opinion on it so far, and if you think there's anything I might need to improve upon.<br /> <br /> <br /> *I like it. Looks good so far. Maybe add a summary of [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]? His &quot;NOW, NOW, NOW!&quot; demand is one of the funniest things he's said. I'll try to think of more examples.<br /> <br /> <br /> * I personally think that what this wiki might need is some fact checkers, especially for new articles like mine. Are you any good at fact checking, because I'm not exactly sure if everything in my article is correct or validated, here's the link to the article ---&gt; (https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Chris_and_oration)<br /> <br /> *I'll take a look. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:00, 28 July 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Chris and gender==<br /> <br /> I've added more onto the Chris and gender page since I've felt that needed serious improvement, but it was orphaned for a while. I was adding pictures onto the article and adding two new sections about Chris' stance on Non-binary genders, and how his views on gender affect what happens in the comics. I also feel like the article itself should revolve more about how Chris views gender as a whole more than how sexist he is since that has been discussed in great depth in two of the Chris and... articles, Women's Rights (Chris and sexism) and Jerks (Chris and misandry). [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 2:47, 30 July 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Nice work. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:21, 1 August 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Thank you, but don't you kind of think that the page should have a complete make-over? To me, the page as it is is still riddled with flaws, even with the stuff I added to it. The page itself seems to focus more on how sexist Chris is, as well as the tomgirl saga, both of which already have their own articles, and go into a lot more detail into both, rather than how he views gender as a whole, sort of the same way the &quot;Chris and race&quot; was formatted, showing Chris' opinion on both males and females as well as going into detail on other topics such as stereotypes, Genderqueer, and Androgyny. Generally speaking, about 40% of the articles on this wiki could just as easily become Chris and... articles themselves.<br /> <br /> ** For example, the Alchohol article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and alcohol&quot; <br /> ** The Tobacky article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and smoking&quot;<br /> ** The Christmas article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and Christmas&quot;<br /> ** The Wikipedia article might as well have been called &quot;Chris and Wikipedia&quot;<br /> <br /> And you pretty much get the point from this point forward, however, whenever people attempt to make new Chris and, articles, many of the attempts seem to be complete failures. For example, the user page, &quot;Chris and depression&quot;, didn't make it as a Chris and... article because it was highly speculative on a condition that Chris might not even have at all, and the user page &quot;Chris and reliability&quot; also didn't make it as a Chris and... article because it could all just as easily be explained better in other articles like &quot;Chris and hypocrisy&quot; and &quot;Chris and negotiation&quot;.<br /> <br /> In my opinion, a Chris and... article should mainly revolve around broad topics such as:<br /> <br /> **Major Aspects of his life (e.g. &quot;Chris and death&quot;, &quot;Chris and religion&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His Personality/Psyche (e.g. &quot;Chris and anger&quot;, &quot;Chris and stress&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His opinions on society (e.g. &quot;Chris and politics&quot;, &quot;Chris and race&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His means of communication (e.g. &quot;Chris and writing&quot;, &quot;Chris and negotiation&quot;)<br /> **His knowledge of the industry and business, which is especially relevant given the Financhu Crisis (e.g. &quot;Chris and business&quot;, &quot;Chris and copyright&quot;, etc.)<br /> **His skills (e.g. &quot;Chris and art&quot;, &quot;Chris and music&quot;, etc.)<br /> <br /> I'd recommend writing about a broad topic when it comes to Chris and... articles since Chris and... articles need to be of decent length, and writing these articles around a broad topic will guarantee the article is of decent length. They should also go into more detail on the basics of who Chris is. I feel like the Chris and... articles should be made as a means of introducing people who are new to the Chris-Chan bubble to what makes Chris, Chris.<br /> <br /> Finally, despite my new Chris and... articles (&quot;Chris and oration&quot; and &quot;Chris and journalism&quot;) being approved by a few Cwcki users who've looked at them, since they both seem to be important topics that haven't been discussed a whole lot about on this wiki yet, such as Chris' poorly made speeches or how people got to learn about Chris' life, they still haven't gained any approval from admins, which worries me a bit.<br /> <br /> Therefore, I kind of feel like the Chris and gender article needs to improved.<br /> <br /> *My opinion is that gender-related subjects are more relevant to understanding Chris than race, so there's going to be more about that in articles. Feel free to shuffle things around if you see there's too much duplicate commentary, but, on the Gender page, there should probably still be at least a summary of stuff like his views on women's rights, misandry, etc, while linking to the main articles. About your &quot;Chris and&quot; articles... don't worry about the admins. The only active one is Canine, and he's said he doesn't really moderate the wiki (he said this when people asked him whether Chris and politics would be a good article, and he deferred to the wiki editors to decide that). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:00, 1 August 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deletion ==<br /> <br /> Two questions:<br /> <br /> Question one: Do you think [[Chris and nostalgia]] is fixable? It's quite short. Not quite as bad as [[Chris and zealotry]].<br /> <br /> Question two: Can I please get you to delete some stuff that's been sitting around for way too long? <br /> <br /> #[[Inventions]] - tagged since 2013, almost no inbound links<br /> #[[Heathchan]] - empty<br /> #[[29 December 2014]] - empty<br /> #[[Skurvypete]] - empty, blanked by creator<br /> #[[Omar Woodley]] - no relevance to the wiki<br /> #[[Court sightings]] - redundant to [[26 December 2014]]<br /> #[[Holliday Greetings to Karen Riley]] - empty<br /> #[[Chris Compared to other infamous Internet people]] - personal essay with no wiki relevance<br /> #[[Pink sapphires rolex replica figurine]] - empty<br /> #[[Key Pieces Of Baby Pink Bandage Dress]] - empty<br /> <br /> [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] ([[User talk:Apostrophe|talk]]) 03:59, 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *[[Minor CWC-isms]] should also be deleted, since the merge tag has been added since 2009, and overall, it's more efficient to make an index of all of the CWC-isms. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> I think Nostalgia has some potential. Maybe it could be written like [[Chris and brand loyalty]], with sections for things he's really nostalgic about (high school, Megan, BronyCon, etc).<br /> <br /> And sure, I'll start on the deletion list.<br /> <br /> Has all the content from Minor CWC-isms been moved over? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:38, 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yes, everything has been moved, it's just that most of the content has been commented because I didn't finish making all of the entries yet. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 17 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Could you delete the [[Gaybian]] page? That never needed to be an article in the first place. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think a redirect would work better, since there are a lot of pages that link to Gaybian. I'll transfer the content to Homos. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:35, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Merged in [[Gaybian]]. Does it look okay where it is? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Sorry for the late reply. To me, the gaybian page, doesn't really need an entire section in any article either, it's probably better as a brief mention, or an entry in the CWC-isms page. Speaking of the Homos page, I don't really think &quot;Homos&quot; really classifies as a CWC-ism, as it's already a modern slang word for homosexual people. I'm mentioning this, because when I was cleaning out the CWC-ism navigation template, I've noticed that a few of the items weren't actual CWC-isms, like &quot;Heart Level&quot;, since Chris never called anything his &quot;Heart Level&quot;, it's just a colloquialism trolls throw around to refer to Chris' &quot;shattered&quot; heart. If anything, &quot;shattered heart&quot; seems like the real CWC-ism. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 24 November 2017<br /> <br /> ::Could you delete the Al-Qaedas redirect page?<br /> <br /> == Patreon ==<br /> <br /> Do you think we should add a Patreon tracker, or, like, a list of how much people are pledging to him at the beginning of each month (when they get charged) to the Patreon page? -[[User:GhostofKittyChandler|GhostofKittyChandler]] ([[User talk:GhostofKittyChandler|talk]]) 18:15, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *The stats are on [https://graphtreon.com/creator/Sonichu Graphtreon]. We could link to that. Manually updating a list on the CWCki might work, but would need someone entering in the number every month. Some tried with the Patreon entry in [[Chris and money#Fan Funding]] but it ended up out of date. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:35, 19 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> **I'll totally update it per month, I love having shit to do on a monthly basis. I'll see if I can get all the numbers from the first of each month since he started his Patreon and make a graph on the page, too. -[[User:GhostofKittyChandler|GhostofKittyChandler]] ([[User talk:GhostofKittyChandler|talk]]) 01:13, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Nice work on the Patreon list. Interesting to see his total profit. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:02, 20 November 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==About Marvin==<br /> <br /> I am a little out of the loop, but who is Marvin? I know he kind of owns the site, but what is his user name? Since you are the most knowledgeable user in this site, can you tell me? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] 0:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Marvin is one of Chris's trolls. He played the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] during the Emily date. He's also been involved behind-the-scenes with trolling Chris. And yeah, he owns the CWCki - his username here is [[User:Canine|Canine]]. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:49, 6 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==An Important Question==<br /> <br /> Who is in control of the icons? The cwcki needs icons for Jessica Quinn and additional shirts. Who can I talk to? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] 22:34, 15 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> *I think that someone just needs to make them. For example, the Financhu Crisis didn't have an icon until I made one. -[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 22:26, 15 December 2017 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Good work! ==<br /> <br /> Good work on putting up the [[MAGfest]] article so quickly! (And also thank you for just generally all your work on the site.) --[[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 19:07, 7 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Thank you. I was just the first to start the MAGfest page - it had other contributors, too. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:09, 8 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Idea Guy's Identity==<br /> <br /> Now that we know who is the Idea Guy, we should update Da Update. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 22:52, 22 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Vandalizer present==<br /> <br /> Goes by the name of desudesudesu. It would be nice if he was banned. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:33, 27 January 2018 (UTC)<br /> :: If you are here please ban Bobchanman, he has been wreaking havoc for hours. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 13:37, 9 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Yeah, he's banned. He was Ironpervhunter's alt, btw. I'll check up here a bit more in case he tries again. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:58, 9 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==On Da Update and other concerns==<br /> <br /> What constitute as worthy news for Da Update? Can it be from minor updates on Chris from Kiwi Farms? Also [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Talk:Sonichu_the_Animated_Series this message] worries me as I am the creator of the current Sonichu TAS page. Will this page be deleted and will I get banned for this? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 22:23, 7 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> I would personally relax about this. Champ's been retired for a long time and his deletion of the original TAS page came out of the blue (IIRC, no one was expecting it, not even the current admins of the website). Also, I actually do support the new TAS page as I have believed that the deletion of the original page left a gaping whole in the wiki. My message was made just to make sure people know about what happened.<br /> <br /> tl;dr: Relax.<br /> <br /> -[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:57, 7 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Minor updates are fine for Da Update. Nah, you won't get banned for making the Sonichu TAS page. I don't intend to delete it. Champthom could, but like Windows OS said, he's retired. The page was originally deleted because years ago, articles about fan works were cluttering the wiki, even though Chris himself hadn't reacted to them. TAS seems to be popular though, so I think we can make an exception for it, much like the Documentary had a page long before Chris talked about it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:34, 8 March 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Issues with the Picture of the Now== <br /> I tried to resize the Picture of the Now to 200px, however [[Template:Picture_of_the_now|this happened]]. How do I fix this? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:46, 4 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *That's weird. Same thing happened with the Cherokee Clan page. I resized it to 150 instead and that seemed to work. Maybe some issue with the cache or something. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:10, 4 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Burnout Paradise Twitch Stream ==<br /> <br /> Has anyone archived the Burnout Paradise twitch stream? [[User:Makuchi|Makuchi]] ([[User talk:Makuchi|talk]]) 20:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I don't believe so, no. Best we have are highlights.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:19, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Well that sucks. Another piece of Christory now gone. [[User:Makuchi|Makuchi]] ([[User talk:Makuchi|talk]]) 00:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Chris has a boyfriend ==<br /> Someone in talks with Chris posted a [https://media.8ch.net/file_store/4239312ed2e37937579c2f4dcd0912e6c82194ec4ab0476e37fc433749d3ca0f.jpg screencapped convo on /cow/ regarding the blowjob thing]. Apparently one of his two sweethearts is in fact a man and Chris has given him oral sex before. I have no idea where to put this. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 22:49, 26 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *There's a page for the new sweethearts - [[Unknown 2018 sweethearts]] - though I see someone has already added the info from that link. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==More Idea Guys==<br /> Since Null revealed three more Idea Guys, one of them is Stephen Boyd, I say we should add them now. However, should we rework the Idea Guy article to fit them? -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 17:04, 13 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> <br /> *My only advice is to be careful with phrasing. The media, as an example, uses words like &quot;alleged&quot; when discussing cases which haven't resolved in court for liability reasons. And in Null's post, he noted that it's unclear whether that person is one of the Idea Guys or not. You should ask [[User:Canine|Canine]] for his opinion, since he owns the CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:16, 14 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Which reversed videos to remove from the site ==<br /> <br /> So, around yesterday, I got a bit of negative attention over the reversed videos that I was posting on the fan videos sections of various wikis, namely the ones on [[Send Me to Too Many Games Convention]], [[I need some local C64 Tech Help, Please]], and [[My Mother WORKED Hard, Spent Hard; Needs Money NOW]]. Which of the other reversed video can I remove from this site (since I did remove some at some point in time)? [[User:Makuchi]] 18:18, 22 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Fan videos ought to contribute something new to the CWCki. Usually they spoof Chris, draw parallels, or reflect his viewer's perception. Here is a [[DoopieDoOver#Fan Video|prime example]] of such a fan video. Simply reversing Chris's videos isn't entertaining or necessary. The creator doesn't provide any commentary on what Chris is doing, so it's entirely redundant. I would recommend removing every reversed video. The only exceptions I would make is when they provide a [[TooManyGames#Fan Videos|timeline]] or when [[U8C43P2A37A8 y U8C1N023V0L|Chris is speaking backwards.]] Anything short of this ought to be removed immediately.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 22:09, 23 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> **I did try removing some of the videos months ago but several users here liked it or thought that they were notable enough that they undid the removals. I'll probably do this on a case-by-case basis. If it has less than 250 views then I'll have it removed, unless it's notable enough (i.e. the [[Magical Man Potion]] reversed video). [[User:Makuchi]] 23:16, 23 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Q&amp;A category ==<br /> <br /> Do we have a category for Q&amp;A articles that don't directly involve Chris? Uncategorised articles include [[Doopie Q&amp;A]] and [[Idea Guy Q&amp;A]].<br /> --[[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 16:37, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *I don't believe so. Those were named after [[Ivy Q&amp;A]], and the categories for that are for the saga itself and [[:Category:Historical Documents]]. Feel free to make a new category if you'd like. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:18, 25 July 2018 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Twitter blocks==<br /> <br /> Thanks for doing the pretty formatting! it is looking really nice! --[[User:DPS2004|DPS2004]] ([[User talk:DPS2004|talk]]) 20:09, 24 January 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Heya ==<br /> <br /> I left a message for you on CWCki Club, hope you can read it. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:47, 19 February 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Feedback: skip captcha for legitimate users ==<br /> <br /> Hi there, on a serious note, the reCaptcha service is becoming annoying for legitimate contributors who have to use a VPN for one reason or another, like me.<br /> <br /> I thought it would not hurt to ask if there can be a usergroup for skipping the captcha, or that the Autoconfirmed users group can be reconfigured to skip the captcha (the syntax being &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgGroupPermissions['autoconfirmed']['skipcaptcha'] = true;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;), and only contain users who have made 10 edits and have been registered for 7 days (the syntax being &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgAutoConfirmAge = 604800;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt; and &lt;code&gt;&lt;nowiki&gt;$wgAutoConfirmCount = 10;&lt;/nowiki&gt;&lt;/code&gt;). Sorry for sounding technical, because I also run a MediaWiki-powered site.<br /> <br /> Best regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:40, 17 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : Try asking [[User:Canine|Canine]]. He's the owner and admin of the CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:11, 18 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Recovering lost audio recordings ==<br /> <br /> Hey, I figure you'd be able to help since you've been involved much longer than I have; do you know anyone who would have copies of the [[Chris Sex Logs]]? I've only been able to find one clip available online, with the all the other uploads being broken. Thanks! [[User:Thnxbb|Thnxbb]] ([[User talk:Thnxbb|talk]]) 07:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I'm not sure, I'll ask a couple people. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:29, 20 April 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Case screenshot names ==<br /> <br /> Hello,<br /> <br /> It’s me with another suggestion: I think we could rename all the court record images to follow a standard naming format, something like &quot;2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GC11008911-00).png&quot; or &quot;2014 Pepper Spray Case (GC14017724-00).png&quot;, and then categorise them all under “Court records” to make it easy for all of us to figure out the source for all the debts. I’ve already started generating the screenshots using the Firefox developer tools, 800 pixels wide with no sidebar, although I preferred to keep the header for sake of authenticity and authority.<br /> <br /> Best regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:15, 7 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Good idea. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:37, 8 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::Sorry if this is a bit long, but here is the suggested file names for the cases I have been able to locate. Unfortunately, there are a few that I cannot locate about four (?) others in the court records, [http://cwcki.club/index.php?threads/finding-some-old-court-records.2062/ as explained] in the CWCki Club thread:<br /> <br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, CR12000095-01).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, CR12000095-02).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GC11008911-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Barbara, GT11008910-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, CR12000096-01).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GC11008942-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GC11008943-00).png<br /> ::* 2011 Game Place Case (Chris, GT11008941-00).png<br /> ::* 2014 Pepper Spray Case (GC14017724-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Debt Case (GV16000107-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Debt Case (GV16000416-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Dog Case (GC16003018-00).png<br /> ::* 2016 Dog Case (GC16003019-00).png<br /> ::* 2017 Debt Case (GV17004097-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Debt Case (GV18000392-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Debt Case (GV18000451-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Mall Trespass Case (Part 1, GC18004278-00).png<br /> ::* 2018 Mall Trespass Case (Part 2, GC18003632-00).png<br /> ::* 2019 Debt Case (GV19000149-00).png<br /> ::* 2019 Debt Case (GV19000217-00).png<br /> <br /> ::Again, sorry for the hurry, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 14:54, 8 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think it'd be good to specify the creditors/who is being sued for the debt cases (i.e., 2016 Debt Case (Barbara vs Discover Bank, GV16000107-00). As for the missing files, I guess they were purged from the records after a time. The [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/28_October_2011#Screenshots screenshots] show they were originally filed under Charlottesville's Civil court.[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:19, 9 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> Hello, I agree in adding the creditor to the file name to make better sense of who is the creditor, bearing in mind that I do not wish for the file name to be too long. In any case, I created [[User:Little Owl/Sandbox|a sandbox]] to refine the new file naming scheme. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 15:56, 9 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> : I think I got the file name format in place (see my sandbox): any thoughts? I also note that some files can be merged, such as [[:File:Mariner Finance vs Chris.png]] and [[:File:20170824 Mariner verdict.png]]: this is because no information is deleted as the case progresses. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 22:20, 15 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Looks good. Only suggestions I have are that Barb's debt case is Capital One Bank, and case#GC18003632-00 could be named &quot;2018 Mall Trespass Case (Therapeutic Docket record)&quot; or something. Agree about merging files. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:25, 17 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Move request ==<br /> <br /> Can you kindly rename [[:File:SchuComicJargon.jpg|this file]] to “File:Sonichu - Jargon Page.jpg” without leaving a redirect?<br /> <br /> Uploaded in March 2011, this is the closest to the original size, and I will be using it to replace duplicates, such as [[:File:E1p1.jpg|this file]].<br /> <br /> I think we are going to need to develop a file name and category structure for the Sonichu pages, given that some stories were “reprinted”.<br /> <br /> Regards, --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:26, 24 May 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Better scans of Issues 12-9 and 16 ==<br /> <br /> Do you think you could re-scan issues 12-9 and 16 for posterity's sake? I'm sorry but the scans cut off at the edges and at the center margins. One way you might be able to get better scans is to take an X-ACTO and cut carefully through the jacket by the inside margin to get the individual and then scan them from there; this way you lay the pages flat against the scanner and get a higher quality scan. Thanks for scanning in the first play by the way. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 01:33, 18 June 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Oh, I wasn't the one who scanned them - my friend did. I don't think he'd go for splitting the books apart since he's a collector. He used a portable scanner to get the pages, not sure if he has a flatbed scanner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:15, 19 June 2019 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Is everything all right? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that since yesterday, you have reversed ''a lot'' of your own edits to the CWCki, marking all your self-reversals as minor. Is everything all right? [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 20:21, 25 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::It was a technical mishap that was accidental. Hurtful said that in the Main Page discussion. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 20:23, 25 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> ::Yeah, turned out to have been from an app I tried a while back and forgot about. Accidentally opened it the other day while I had the Recent Changes tab open and it hit all the Rollback buttons there simultaneously. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:24, 26 October 2019 (UTC)<br /> == Sorry ==<br /> I am really sorry for using British spelling, I thought american english was just dropping all the vowels and saying yee-haw. In another note, for my Chris and biology article, I would like to refer to a textbook from the Virginia education board. I have no idea how burger school system worls and would like to know about when they start teaching biology and what they teach in it. Thanks a ton! - [[User:Klop|Your friendly neighbourhood &amp;#91;&amp;#91;User:Klop&amp;#93;&amp;#93;]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 16:29, 31 May 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::No worries. Wish I could help on the Biology stuff. I think it differs depending on school districts, but it can be a high school class taken as an elective. Dunno if that's what Chris's school had. But Chris didn't learn anything from school anyway, he just slept through it and pulls his beliefs out of his ass, like the Recycling thing. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:51, 1 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> :: Nah its fine, I was having doubts on wether to make the article or not as it will only serve as a place for correcting Chris and won't add anything new about him. But it will be a fun to go through all the nonsense he has said. (Atleast, its fun for me). So should I go ahead with it or not? - [[User:Klop|Your friendly neighbourhood Klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 10:15, 1 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That's a good point. Personally I think we might have too many Chris And articles and that those should be kept to subjects most relevant to understanding Chris. Otherwise we end up with articles like Politics which are an odd fit when Chris isn't into politics, he just hated one political figure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:15, 2 June 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Calendar==<br /> I worked out how the calendar works, its [[User:Klop/sandbox2|here]]. I'm not sure how to make it into an article, so I need some help. Any ideas? - [[User:Klop|klop &amp;#60;-- fag]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Nice. Looks finished to me. Maybe just add the Sonichu template and file it under the Plot Devices section. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 22 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ==Seasonal intro banner==<br /> Can I add another seasonal intro banner? this one about the tianmen square massacre on june 24. It will have Punchy say something like &quot;Absolutely nothing happend in Tianmen Square this date in 1989. This is my creators wiki and nothing less&quot;. - [[User:Klop|klop &amp;#60;-- fag]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 10:43, 24 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds funny, sure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:06, 24 July 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == The Miscreants ==<br /> <br /> I saw that you turned the page to The Miscreants into a redirect for to [[Trolls]]. I feel like it's a worthwhile article to have, or at least as a subsection to the Trolls article, because it covers a very specific set of people from Christory. Would it be possible to reinstate it in some capacity? [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 21:17, 7 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Fair point. I'll add a condensed version to the Trolls article. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:55, 7 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I think that it would work as a subsection of the &quot;Classic Era Trolls&quot; bit. Not all trolls from that era associated with them, but the ones that were are among Chris's most infamous tormentors.<br /> <br /> ::Looking at an [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Trolls&amp;oldid=76481 old version of Trolls template], it seems they're basically the same as the Classic Era Trolls. At one point the sweetheart people like Blanca and Julie were [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Template:Trolls&amp;oldid=13752 on the list too] until they got moved to their own template. So maybe a way to do this would be to summarize The Miscreants as a description for the Classic Era Trolls heading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:54, 8 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Deleting A Page ==<br /> <br /> Hey, there's a template [[Template White Tomgirl with Heart Design|here]] that doesn't fit the mold of the others and is redundant overall. Can you delete it? You seem to be on here a lot, so I figured that I'd ask. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 07:33, 29 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Deleted it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 15:38, 29 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == [[Sonic World]] Discord ==<br /> <br /> Turns out that someone tried to harass the admin of the Sonic World DX Discord into banning Chris, via their private Instagram account. How should we cover this? --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:12, 20 December 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> *Admin's reason for banning sounds valid. Even if the ween got the admin's attention first, it's not much different than someone getting reported and an admin looking into the matter. Unless the PMs show admin being on the fence about banning, it's probably not relevant to mention. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:51, 20 December 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == DYK help. ==<br /> <br /> Hello there. I attempted to adjust the DYK template, but in the process it seems like I've just messed up the formatting, and it won't refresh to show anything other than a very specific group. Since you last seemed to fix the problem, I was wondering if you could help with the one that I unwittingly created, and possibly help me understand what I did wrong with adjusting things. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 10:04, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :I can't tell what the issue is. The formatting seems fine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:32, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> ::The issue on my end is that the facts don't seem to change when you refresh the page, nor does it show all of groups of facts when I tried looking around - it only shows a specific range of options, while outright skipping the entire first selection. Basically, the entire template seems &quot;off&quot; and I can't determine what's wrong with it. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 20:48, 10 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Would you be able to fix this error? ==<br /> <br /> This page looks different when you are logged out versus when you are logged in: https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Category:Ongoing_events --Actualautist 17:21, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> :: Also, why is my signature... --Actualautist 17:23, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sorry, I can't do anything about it, don't have access to the software. It's been an issue for years that the templates and categories have sync issues. Also you can put the signature by pressing ~ four times. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting &amp; other Watchmen stuff ==<br /> <br /> I am not sure of the proper Wiki etiquette but I left some comments on the relevant talk page. With all due respect given your closeness to these folks though you might not be the best person to make the decisions on what negative material stays and what is redacted. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:26, 23 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271482 2021-10-23T18:24:58Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* More on minor members, not less */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == More on minor members, not less ==<br /> <br /> I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. Regrettably I don't (yet) have real names to put to Kyle, Anaxis, etc. but this stuff has a way of eventually getting revealed.<br /> <br /> Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Kyle suicide baiting ==<br /> <br /> [[User:Hurtful Truth Level]] redacted this:<br /> : Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> Which isn't unreasonable, it's a pretty serious accusation and what I wrote doesn't provide direct connection with Chris ''per se''. The reference I cite shows him, MKR, and Naught discussing this suicide-baiting in what I think is the Watchmen Discord. Not all the context is there (unless HTL wants to provide it) but I doubt Chris was present for that conversation, sounds more like it was from the channels where they socialized among themselves without Chris. There is also an accusation in that thread that Sean, Naught and MKR were working together to cause Chris's suicide but I don't trust the source. So ''direct'' connection to Chris? Only in the sense that this shows what kind of person we're talking about who was involved with Chris. Rephrasing the submission so it makes clear that we're not saying Kyle was involved with Sean and ILJ (only that they shared some similar disturbing interests) in response to HTL's other edit makes sense too. But I think that just on the basis of knowing who we're dealing with it's worth documenting. I am not sure of the appropriate Wiki etiquette tbh so will leave for input from others? [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 18:24, 23 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&diff=271481 2021-10-23T18:14:47Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Owls */ also per discussion with PsychoNerd, Owls doesn't need to be named, he was doxed in some internal squabble and it looks like he's stopped his involvement with all Chris-related stuff</p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|You brought so much fucking [[Laughs Under Lucricities|joy]] to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Bismuth, one of the Watchmen, to Chris.&lt;ref&gt;[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Watchmen.jpg|thumb|The [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|accumulated]] [[Unholy Tetrad|filth]] of their [[trolls]] and [[weening]] will foam up about their waists and all the [[Dimensional Merge|Merge-deniers]] and [[A-log|A-logs]] will look up and shout &quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]]&quot; ...And I'll look down, and whisper &quot;[[THAT IS MY HOUSE|I'm workin' on it.]]&quot;]]<br /> <br /> The '''Watchmen''' were a group of fanatical [[enablers]] whose members served as gatekeepers and [[white knights]] for [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], in a similar manner as their predecessors, the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to keep away malicious individuals trying to troll or scam Chris, and as such wound up in conflict with [[Sockness]], [[Praetor]] and various other members of the rogue's gallery of the CWC universe. The group had a few iterations but with Chris currently jailed for [[incest]] their purpose has become moot. Furthermore, unfortunately, some of the problems were coming from within their own house, namely [[Sean Walker]], who with the Watchmen mainly used the names ''Conner'' and ''neko''. Sean was able to effectively wrest control of Chris from the rest of the Watchmen, and use said control to found his own enabling group, the [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|Knights of CWC]].<br /> <br /> As a faction, the Watchmen were instrumental in numerous events over the course of late [[2019]] onwards, such as attempting to dismantle [[Jacob Sockness]]’s influence over Chris and drive him off. They also shut down the Arbitarch CWC Alliance Discord server when the true intent of the server was revealed. Chris had contact with the Watchmen, including [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|chatting with them]] on [[Discord Q&amp;A 4|Google Hangouts]] and over [[Discord]]. The Watchmen were also behind the [[2020 Discord leaks|Discord leaks in August 2020]], and the [[Discord Q&amp;A]]'s.<br /> <br /> Their approach was rather controversial, as they gained Chris's favor by means of [[Enablers|enabling]] his delusions by pretending to be fellow [[CPU]] goddesses and encouraging his beliefs in [[magical thinking]] and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. The Watchmen tracked and collected information on anyone involved with - or attempting to get involved with Chris, and had little to hesitation in regards to doing any potential [[weens]], [[trolls]], and [[A-Log|A-logs]].<br /> <br /> While they shared a name with the 1986/1987 DC Comics limited series by Alan Moore, David Gibbons, and John Higgins, the 2009 film adaptation (which is [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|not that long of a movie]], according to [[Emily]] and [[The Man in the Pickle Suit]]), the 2019 HBO series, and the various comic book spin-offs, the Watchmen apparently did not take inspiration from the franchise, in contrast to how [[The Miscreants]] modeled themselves after the Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''.<br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> What eventually became the Watchmen group had its roots in the CWC Rebellion Discord server. There, Owls met Meghan (aka MKRNightVee), and Talia (whom Owls described as &quot;a person exploiting and egging MKR on to talk to Chris&quot;).&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1257#post-7343340 (Archive: https://archive.fo/06IZx)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Meghan got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/&lt;/ref&gt; Owls tried to coach Meghan&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl5-png.644835/&lt;/ref&gt; and avoid problems, though he admits he didn't do well at it.&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> After Meghan had been in contact with Chris for some time, Owls came up with the idea to try to [[manipulate]] Chris's beliefs away from the [[Dimensional Merge]] through telling him that the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] had relocated to Earth. Meghan recruited her friends to role-play as CPUs to Chris over Discord; Owls acted as a gatekeeper between MKR's friends and Chris.&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> {{quote|time passed talking with Meghan for about a month or so there came an idea from me in the most autistic way possible &quot;convince Chris that merge wasn't happening and that CPU had decided to be on earth and act like normal people in society&quot;. foolishly believing this would work Meghan gathered some people from different servers she said we could trust and we made a server. this idea failed and when the first person decided to brag about it on a different discord I shut down the idea.|Owls&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> According to Bismuth, Owls acted as liaison between the CPU group and [[Marvin]] of the [[Guard Dogs]] group (the latter also being gatekeepers to Chris at the time) but Bismuth claimed that Owls wasn't reporting back to Marvin. Owls later left the group.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Major Players==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> [[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]<br /> '''Bismuth''' was the second leader of the Watchmen, taking over the group after Owls left.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; He monitored and doxed potential weens or outside enablers. He went by many usernames - he used &quot;Bismuth&quot; to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including &quot;Naught&quot;, &quot;anameisaname&quot;, &quot;death of chans&quot;, and &quot;Nightmare&quot;&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; - he was eventually banned from the forum for use of multiple sockpuppet accounts, advertising, and liking his own posts with sock accounts.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/corbindallasmultipass-memorial-thread.30974/post-9227018&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[June 2021]], conflict arose between Bismuth and fellow Watchman [[Sean Walker|The WCT]], stemming from an allegation Bismuth had doxed the latter.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Following a Lolcow.org thread on the ex-member of the group, an audio voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; suggested that Chris sided against Bismuth in the dispute.<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> [[File:BiggusDorkus.png|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> {{Main|Sean Walker}}<br /> <br /> '''Sean Walker''', primarily known in the context of the Watchmen as '''Conner''' or '''neko''', or in the broader Internet as '''the WCT''', archived calls involving Chris and occasionally gave interviews to observers. In November 2020, Chris took an interest in spree killer [[Randy Stair]], whose belief system regarding cartoons and alternative universes bears more than a passing relationship with Chris's, after watching a YouTube documentary on Stair produced by Sean. In February 2021, Sean attempted to become the fourth person behind the role of Lainchu but Chris rejected his attempt. He was instrumental in the eventual downfall of the Watchmen, admitting in private that he had been &quot;working with Former Kiwi Farmers to bring down the Watchmen&quot; out of a personal dislike of Bismuth, which led to a cascade of events in which multiple people were doxxed and Chris left the Watchmen's server.&lt;ref name=&quot;WCTThread&gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sean-walker-psychic-espeon-wct-wildcat-neko.97689 Sean Walker / @Psychic Espeon / Lainchu / WCT / WildCat / Neko (etc.) - Self-described &quot;Final Protagonist of Christory&quot;, spree-killer fanboy, connected to Bellagate]&lt;/ref&gt; He would go on to found [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|The Knights of CWC]], a Watchmen splinter group, where eventually Chris invited [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. Prior to Chris's arrest for [[incest]], Sean reached out to Bella again asking for her side of the story, who was able to manipulate Sean into attempting to shift blame from Isabella to the [[Suitress]].<br /> <br /> ===MKRNightVee===<br /> [[Image:MeghanRingo.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Meghan]]<br /> [[File:MKR enabling.png|200px|thumb|right||Meghan enabling Chris's delusional thoughts.]]<br /> {{quote|I am a [[CPU]], that means I am directly on the same level of godhood as [[Chris]]tine.|Meghan, replying to [[Sarah and Steve]] questioning if she really follows Chris's beliefs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://archive.md/lj64i Archive of 7 Nov 2019 tweet chain]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Nothing lasts forever, especially not any group protecting Chris-chan.|Meghan, reflecting after her March 2021 ragequit.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> '''Meghan Kathleen Ringo''' (born 24 April 1992), also known under the aliases '''MKRNightVee''', '''CPUMagentaHeart''' and '''thepixietailartist''', and sometimes referred to as '''Maker''' by Chris, appeared in early [[2019]]. She got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up Chris's phone number for her.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; She presented herself to Chris as being the [[CPU]] goddess of the [[Nintendo Switch]], offering him validation on his fantasies of having magic powers.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454/&lt;/ref&gt; She has stated that her goal isn't to feed into Chris's delusions so much as to offer advice and help.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR motives.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Chris offered her several of his possessions in his [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|Last Will and Testament]].<br /> <br /> She set up a Discord group for Chris, telling her friends to role-play as [[CPU]] goddesses to gain Chris's trust, while also instituting a no-trolling rule.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR Discord Rules.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> During the [[TF2 Analysis|TF2 Analysis saga]], she created an alt Twitter account named [[Creamarina]] and shared it with Chris to enable him to evade blocks.&lt;ref&gt;[[Misc texts#Creamarina]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> During the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in which Sockness attempted to manipulate Chris into a sexual relationship, Meghan saw the potential danger in Sockness's activities, and steered Chris away from him during summer 2019; Sockness, who at the time was engaging in a full-scale war against Chris's enablers, followers and critics alike, considered MKR to be a notable enemy of his, and apparently abused her verbally on Twitter as his second dramatic cycle approached its climax in early [[November 2019|November]]. She, as well as Aqua, largely mitigated Sockness's influence over Chris, though Chris was still willing to listen to Sockness.<br /> [[File:mkrragequit.png|200px|thumb|left|Meghan ragequits in March 2021.]]<br /> In March 2021, MKR temporarily gave up on helping Chris when she learned that he was planning on [[Taser Discussion|playing with a taser]] with his new friend group [[Praetor]], sending an angry Tweet directed towards him which expressed her disdain, before deleting her Twitter account a few days later.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt; However, she reactivated her account, and tweeted again to Chris in April, replying to Chris tagging her to show her a gif file,&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380732044951515137 (archive: https://archive.fo/fL8wZ)&lt;/ref&gt; and later to reply to another of Chris's tweets in order to call [[Other enablers#Helena Fiorenza|one of his enablers]] a faggot.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380756077864620033 (archive: https://archive.fo/Ybm8P)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In June 2021, internal conflict arose among Watchmen members over Bismuth allegedly doxing The WCT which resulted in the group separating. Meghan had sided with Bismuth and Chris against, leading to Chris distancing himself from Meghan in the fallout. On 29 June, Meghan tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She followed up by tweeting that she regretted having spent her time drawing art for Chris and accused him of being unappreciative of it.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1411511053872025605 (archive: https://archive.fo/8WSOI)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===AquaDiamond8===<br /> {{quote|Christine...Please stop this, Mewtwo is not real, the [[merge]] is not happening, you need serious help. If you need help there are people to help you with these delusions. This is incredibly unhealthy for you.|AquaDiamond8, March 2019&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/50xPX&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Still i dont want &lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt;[[Jacob Sockness]]&lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt; attacking my people when the merge happens, Christine has said there will be no more war or need for violence in the merge, my Sapphire has forseen this |AquaDiamond8 changes her tune, November 2019.&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.ph/0bMDM&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Magi-Chan and AquaDiamond8.jpg|AquaDiamond8 and Magi-Chan. Drawn by Aqua November 2019.|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> '''AquaDiamond8''' is a Twitter user who has bounced from being a [[ween]],&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-988#post-4495303&lt;/ref&gt; to a [[white knight]], to an enabler and Watchman. In November 2019, during the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in hopes to lure Chris away from Sockness, Aqua joined the Watchmen and embraced Chris's delusional beliefs, changing her Twitter handle to '''CPU Goddess Aqua of the Mac Book Pro'''. Later, Aqua began drawing fanart of her [[OC]] interacting with [[Magi-Chan]].&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/lGets&lt;/ref&gt; She then posted a Pokémon drawing, claiming it to be an alt-dimension Magi-Chan:&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/ETlxV&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[September 2020]], Aqua confirmed in the comments of a Dillin Thomas video that they were no longer a part of the Watchmen.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|in all honesty at first i genuinly wanted to help chris but after the incident with Wendy i wanted to make things better, and try to help him, and as someone with autism, and who has family that acts like chris, i knew how dificult it is to get them to beleive certain things. I guess going along with it and pretending to be a goddess was better than letting her be on her own and let someone else take advantage of her.<br /> <br /> Note that i never wanted anything from Chris, and did want to help, and despite what Dillin says about MKR or some of the &quot;enamblers, not all of them are bad, MKR is the nicest person i know and i know that she truely does care for Chris. <br /> <br /> I wanted to to help them with keeping sockness away from Chris and though it took some time ive seen chris is no longer taking his crap serious. I do keep up to date whats been going on, but i dont interact.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_ElSwC1Xo&amp;lc=Ugw4uQfLu00i10Lrjq14AaABAg.9DSJjEeQ6nb9DSfhyTd-Ra (Archive https://archive.md/oob08)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Owls===<br /> [[File:Ryan Owls.png|thumb|200px|left|Ryan.]]<br /> The original founder of the organization went by '''Owls''' in his interactions with the Watchmen, and as '''GhostBird50''' on the [[Kiwi Farms]],&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and as '''CpuTurquoiseHeart''' to Chris,&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;[[:File:Naught origin clarify 1.png]] amd [[:File:Naught origin clarify 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Initially, Ryan advised MKRNightVee in interacting with Chris and founded the Watchmen's Discord server. Ryan also acted as a liaison between Watchmen and [[Guard Dogs]] member Marvin, though fellow Watchman Bismuth alleged that he hadn't been reporting back to Marvin.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Ryan eventually left the group, stating he wanted no more part in Chris's situation or in Internet drama, and was succeeded by Naught/Bismuth. This seems to have come when he got involved in a feud &lt;ref name=ryanfued&gt;[[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/]]&lt;/ref&gt; with several other obscure Chris orbiters.<br /> [[File:Ghostbird_kiwistatus.png|thumb|200px|right|Ryan, as Kiwi '''Ghostbird50''', states his desire to move on from Chris.]]<br /> <br /> ==Minor Players==<br /> <br /> ===Kyle===<br /> A seemingly minor and or less active member of the Watchmen. '''Kyle''' publicly appeared only in the [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|Google Hangout chats]]. Kyle was also apparently the inspiration for Chris's [[:File:KylechuOC.jpg|Kylechu]] OC.&lt;!--Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.--&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Klop===<br /> Additionally notable for being the former administrator of the CWCki Discord, a venue which forbids interaction with Chris on pain of a permaban, as well as an [[User:Klop|editor of this very wiki]], '''klop''' was involved with a considerable amount of interaction with Chris, most notably playing the [[Watchmen#The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Char|Lainchu]] character, as well as being a member/associate of the original Watchmen, albeit one without the prominence of those people listed above. Unlike most of the other minor players. he does not seem to have followed Sean into the Knights schism.<br /> <br /> ===Anaxis===<br /> Also a [[User:Anaxis|CWCki editor]], '''Anaxis''' was a seemingly bit player both in the original Watchmen and in Sean's splinter group, showing up in logs with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and with Sean. For unknown reasons, attempts were made to conceal the involvement of Anaxis with these groups on this Wiki.<br /> <br /> ==The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character==<br /> [[File:Lainchu.jpg|thumb|200px|Lainchu, as drawn by MKRNightVee.]]<br /> <br /> '''Lainchu''', also known as '''Lainchu the Chronicler''', is an OC created by Chris, whose purpose is to document Chris's activities (and unofficially, to provide Christorians with first hand information), based on the protagonist of the [[anime]], ''[[Wikipedia:Serial Experiments Lain|Serial Experiments Lain]]'', in which a teenage girl finds herself engaging with a virtual world network, reminiscent of the [[internet]].<br /> <br /> Four Watchmen had taken up the responsibility to [[Role-play|larp]] as Lainchu; <br /> <br /> *'''Bismuth''', who originally had the role&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *'''Klop''', who took over in 7 [[August 2020]] until late August<br /> *'''Anaxis''', who served as Lainchu from late August to mid [[February 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and again in March 2021, after Chris responded poorly to the role-playing of Sean (see below) who could only maintain his attention for about a month.<br /> *'''Sean Walker''' from mid February 2021 to [[March 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-02-20 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, who Chris rejected in the role.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Lainchu was, indirectly, the source of considerable controversy on the Kiwi Farms&lt;ref name=htlsock&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/&lt;/ref&gt; after an [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|administrator of this very Wiki]] used a sock account to modify this page, redacting the name '''Anaxis''' for unclear reasons, which lead to the revelation that said admin, along with the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], were present in Discords involving the Watchmen and [[Sean Walker]]'s splinter group, the &quot;Knights of CWC&quot;.<br /> <br /> ==Discord Servers==<br /> The Watchmen were in various [[Discord]] servers.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> From before the Watchmen had fully come out to the public, the server was eventually shut down. <br /> <br /> ===The Place===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Place.png|thumb|200px|The Place server.]]<br /> <br /> The Place is the server Chris was in from 2020-June 2021. In [[August 2020]], the Watchmen announced the presence of the group publicly via the [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|2020 Discord leaks]]. It was during this time the Watchmen name was adopted to describe the group.<br /> <br /> Signs of the group collapsing began appearing around late [[June 2021]]. Earlier in the month, The WCT had been doxed on [[Kiwi Farms]] by an account named Nightmare, and signs pointed to fellow Watchman and group leader Bismuth as the person behind the account.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/anameisaname-bismuth-anon-llc-naught-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-nightmare-tardwarsllc-heart-cpu-bismuth-heart.724/ (archive: https://archive.fo/G30td)&lt;/ref&gt; When The WCT confronted Bismuth in a voice chat during the group’s movie night on 21 June, Bismuth denied the allegation, then threatened to further dox The WCT in an attempt to silence him. Kyle and MKRNightVee took Bismuth’s side in the dispute.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3hYztxRHRA &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 25 June, The WCT informed Chris about the infighting. He showed Chris screenshots of Nightmare's Kiwi Farms posts and the voice chat in which he had confronted the group over Bismuth being Nightmare. According to The WCT, Chris gradually processed the information, in particular picking up on red flags from Bismuth in the chat - noticing his defensiveness and hostility towards The WCT. Ultimately, Chris believed The WCT's evidence and apparently cut ties with Bismuth over it.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt; A leaked voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; was posted to a Lolcow.org thread made about Bismuth the following day.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Kyle banned The WCT from the Watchmen's [[Discord]] server. In response, Chris then decided to leave their server. As The WCT explained, &quot;he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.&quot; The [[Praetor]] group, who had also been in the server, left it as well following Chris's departure.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 29 June, MKRNightVee made multiple tweets that suggested Chris had cut communications with her. She tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She then followed up with accusations against The WCT, believing him to be messing with Chris and having sinister motives.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410103600932548609 (archive: https://archive.md/UKGom)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Knights of CWC===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Knights of CWC.png|thumb|200px|left|The Knights of CWC server.]] <br /> <br /> '''The Knights of CWC''' was the server Chris was in from late June 2021 until his August 2021 arrest for [[incest]]. It was founded by [[Sean Walker]] following his fallout with Bismuth/Naught over the latter's doxing of the former leading to bad blood between the two of them and between Sean and MKR. The disagreement seems to have been of a personal nature, and related to these two individuals leaking embarrassing material on one another both publicly, and privately to Chris, with Sean eventually being able to win over Chris and convince him that MKR and Sean were [[Nazis]], using a recording from their Discord. Sean was unsure of calling his group by the Watchmen moniker. He also stated he wanted the group be kept secret as the earlier iteration of the Watchmen once had been.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:WCT on Knights of CWC server.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Notable were disagreements between the leaders of the two groups on how best to handle [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. According to '''The Fool''', a longtime but now-banned [[Kiwi Farms]] user and lesser-known affiliate of the Watchmen and then the Knights:<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Neither naught or WCT were friends with bella, bella was in her own little white knight group controlling chris. WCT tried to be friendly with her so he could keep a short leash on her, bella was very defensive about it. WCT said naught actively tried to push bella away which might be why bella was defensive about WCT trying to interact with her, but that's just from what WCT said, I didn't witness anything the Watchmen ever did myself.<br /> <br /> both naught and WCT knew bella was a ween but they couldn't get chris to not interact with her, or the [[praetor]] crew in general for that matter. naught tried to outright demonize them while WCT tried to pretend to be friendly with them to facilitate open communication so they could know exactly what praetor was planning next. Neither plan worked, but, it's Chris, what can you do.&lt;ref name=foolpraetor&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27908 and https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27912&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Interviews==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Bismuth through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Bismuth's responses color-coded white.<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Q&amp;A|The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.<br /> <br /> After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}<br /> <br /> The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Stress and people @ her on Twitter<br /> <br /> Her and mkr are still frens}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 1.png]][[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}}}<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> {{Protip|Given the complicated history with WCT, it's possible that at least some of his claims here are not completely TRUE or HONEST. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.}}<br /> The WCT was interviewed over Discord about the Watchmen breakup on 11 July 2021. The WCT's messages are in blue and the interviewer's in green.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Hi. Someone told me you’re The WCT. If it’s okay with you, I’d like to ask you some questions about the Watchmen breakup for the Cwcki.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|hi there.<br /> <br /> and yes, by all means ask said questions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|The initial conflict seems to be between you and Bismuth, that Bismuth doxed you. How did it grow to break up the Watchmen group?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|After I concluded that it was Bismuth that was responsible for the doxing, I made the choice to contact MKRNightVee (or Meghan some of you know her as) and I showed her a lot of screenshots in DMs that compared the typing style of his old Kiwi Farms accounts to one that he used to dox me. (which was Nightmare)<br /> <br /> I recall telling her that I was 90 percent sure that it was him.<br /> <br /> But in spite of the evidence that I had presented to her at the time, she didn't believe me. And during our VC on June 21st, She and Kyle were still not convinced.<br /> <br /> They originally thought it was somebody who I angered in the past, but knowing what the Nightmare account was up to at the time, I knew that it was him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris learn of the dispute?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Not long after the VC, I decided that I would contact him myself.<br /> <br /> So with the help of a Former Watchmen who had his phone number, I was able to get in contact with him on June 25th.<br /> <br /> And there, I had an hour and 40 minute talk with him that first started off as any conversation I'd usually have with him until I was comfortable enough to tell him the details.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did you show Chris the same evidence that you did to MKRNightVee?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|When I was talking with MKR, I didn't show her as much evidence at the time since the Investigation was still ongoing. And compared to what I shared with Chris, I shared less with MKR.<br /> <br /> Not because I didn't trust her, but it was because there was not enough information available at the time. And what I ended up showing Chris was a combination of the Kiwi Farms posts and the VC that I had with the rest of the group.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris react to it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|It took Chris a while to process it.<br /> <br /> With each screenshot, he began to believe that my claims were true. And when we were both going over the VC, he noticed how Bismuth was getting really defensive and thought that he was clearly lying to me. <br /> <br /> Especially when I told Bismuth that Josh (Null) claimed to me that him and Nightmare were the same person.<br /> And that 3-4 seconds of silence on his part was something that helped convince Chris that I was in the right.<br /> <br /> He also noticed how hostile Bismuth was getting towards me as well, especially when I kept on asking him if he doxed me or not. Chris saw that as a red flag.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did Chris cut ties with Bismuth?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|From what I know, yes he did.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What happened between Chris and MKRNightVee? MKR’s recent tweets indicate they’ve had a falling out. Is it related to the Watchmen breakup?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes it is.<br /> <br /> Meghan was upset that Chris had sided with me in regards to what had happened.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How does Praetor fit in to this? MKRNightVee has said in a tweet that you’ve teamed up with them.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Praetor had nothing to do with what happened.<br /> <br /> Its just that when they got word from Chris that he had left the server, they followed. So it makes sense on MKR's part to accuse me of working with them because we all either got banned or left the place at the same time.<br /> <br /> It was a strange coincidence yes, but there is zero contact between me and Caden.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What server did Chris leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|The Watchmen's Place.<br /> <br /> as some of you might've heard of on the CWCki. - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Discord#The_Watchmen.27s_Place}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Why did he leave it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|when he got word that I got banned from the server (by Kyle that is), he saw it as a green light to leave it himself.<br /> <br /> So essentially he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Are you still in contact with Chris?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|at this moment in time, I'm not.<br /> <br /> We went our separate ways not long after the Watchmen had broken up and I believe that its for the best for both me and him.<br /> <br /> And rather or not if he wants to be in touch with me still is completely up to him, but I won't be too surprised if he had already moved on at this point, and I respect whatever path he goes on moving forward.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Forgot to ask earlier, but what was your motivation for informing Chris of the conflict between you and Bismuth/MKR/Kyle?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I was running out of options on what to do. When MKR and Kyle didn't believe my claims, I felt that I had no choice but to inform Chris on what had happened.<br /> <br /> It was a very risky move on my part to do that, but I don't regret telling him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|That’s all the questions I have. Thank you for answering. Is there anything else you would like to add?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I just want to let people know that Chris is now a free man with nobody to dictate his actions. And for his sake, it needs to remain that way.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Thanks again. I'll look to getting this conversation to the CWCki. Do you want your username/avatar censored?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screencaps|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:The WCT interview1.png<br /> File:The WCT interview2.png<br /> File:The WCT interview3.png<br /> File:The WCT interview4.png<br /> File:The WCT interview5.png<br /> File:The WCT interview6.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[CWCProtectSquad]]<br /> *[[Guard Dogs]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Fantasies}}<br /> {{People}}</div>

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<p>SpookyBones: /* Bismuth */ broken links</p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|You brought so much fucking [[Laughs Under Lucricities|joy]] to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Bismuth, one of the Watchmen, to Chris.&lt;ref&gt;[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Watchmen.jpg|thumb|The [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|accumulated]] [[Unholy Tetrad|filth]] of their [[trolls]] and [[weening]] will foam up about their waists and all the [[Dimensional Merge|Merge-deniers]] and [[A-log|A-logs]] will look up and shout &quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]]&quot; ...And I'll look down, and whisper &quot;[[THAT IS MY HOUSE|I'm workin' on it.]]&quot;]]<br /> <br /> The '''Watchmen''' were a group of fanatical [[enablers]] whose members served as gatekeepers and [[white knights]] for [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], in a similar manner as their predecessors, the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to keep away malicious individuals trying to troll or scam Chris, and as such wound up in conflict with [[Sockness]], [[Praetor]] and various other members of the rogue's gallery of the CWC universe. The group had a few iterations but with Chris currently jailed for [[incest]] their purpose has become moot. Furthermore, unfortunately, some of the problems were coming from within their own house, namely [[Sean Walker]], who with the Watchmen mainly used the names ''Conner'' and ''neko''. Sean was able to effectively wrest control of Chris from the rest of the Watchmen, and use said control to found his own enabling group, the [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|Knights of CWC]].<br /> <br /> As a faction, the Watchmen were instrumental in numerous events over the course of late [[2019]] onwards, such as attempting to dismantle [[Jacob Sockness]]’s influence over Chris and drive him off. They also shut down the Arbitarch CWC Alliance Discord server when the true intent of the server was revealed. Chris had contact with the Watchmen, including [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|chatting with them]] on [[Discord Q&amp;A 4|Google Hangouts]] and over [[Discord]]. The Watchmen were also behind the [[2020 Discord leaks|Discord leaks in August 2020]], and the [[Discord Q&amp;A]]'s.<br /> <br /> Their approach was rather controversial, as they gained Chris's favor by means of [[Enablers|enabling]] his delusions by pretending to be fellow [[CPU]] goddesses and encouraging his beliefs in [[magical thinking]] and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. The Watchmen tracked and collected information on anyone involved with - or attempting to get involved with Chris, and had little to hesitation in regards to doing any potential [[weens]], [[trolls]], and [[A-Log|A-logs]].<br /> <br /> While they shared a name with the 1986/1987 DC Comics limited series by Alan Moore, David Gibbons, and John Higgins, the 2009 film adaptation (which is [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|not that long of a movie]], according to [[Emily]] and [[The Man in the Pickle Suit]]), the 2019 HBO series, and the various comic book spin-offs, the Watchmen apparently did not take inspiration from the franchise, in contrast to how [[The Miscreants]] modeled themselves after the Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''.<br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> What eventually became the Watchmen group had its roots in the CWC Rebellion Discord server. There, Owls met Meghan (aka MKRNightVee), and Talia (whom Owls described as &quot;a person exploiting and egging MKR on to talk to Chris&quot;).&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1257#post-7343340 (Archive: https://archive.fo/06IZx)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Meghan got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/&lt;/ref&gt; Owls tried to coach Meghan&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl5-png.644835/&lt;/ref&gt; and avoid problems, though he admits he didn't do well at it.&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> After Meghan had been in contact with Chris for some time, Owls came up with the idea to try to [[manipulate]] Chris's beliefs away from the [[Dimensional Merge]] through telling him that the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] had relocated to Earth. Meghan recruited her friends to role-play as CPUs to Chris over Discord; Owls acted as a gatekeeper between MKR's friends and Chris.&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> {{quote|time passed talking with Meghan for about a month or so there came an idea from me in the most autistic way possible &quot;convince Chris that merge wasn't happening and that CPU had decided to be on earth and act like normal people in society&quot;. foolishly believing this would work Meghan gathered some people from different servers she said we could trust and we made a server. this idea failed and when the first person decided to brag about it on a different discord I shut down the idea.|Owls&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> According to Bismuth, Owls acted as liaison between the CPU group and [[Marvin]] of the [[Guard Dogs]] group (the latter also being gatekeepers to Chris at the time) but Bismuth claimed that Owls wasn't reporting back to Marvin. Owls later left the group.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Major Players==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> [[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]<br /> '''Bismuth''' was the second leader of the Watchmen, taking over the group after Owls left.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; He monitored and doxed potential weens or outside enablers. He went by many usernames - he used &quot;Bismuth&quot; to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including &quot;Naught&quot;, &quot;anameisaname&quot;, &quot;death of chans&quot;, and &quot;Nightmare&quot;&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; - he was eventually banned from the forum for use of multiple sockpuppet accounts, advertising, and liking his own posts with sock accounts.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/corbindallasmultipass-memorial-thread.30974/post-9227018&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[June 2021]], conflict arose between Bismuth and fellow Watchman [[Sean Walker|The WCT]], stemming from an allegation Bismuth had doxed the latter.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Following a Lolcow.org thread on the ex-member of the group, an audio voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; suggested that Chris sided against Bismuth in the dispute.<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> [[File:BiggusDorkus.png|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> {{Main|Sean Walker}}<br /> <br /> '''Sean Walker''', primarily known in the context of the Watchmen as '''Conner''' or '''neko''', or in the broader Internet as '''the WCT''', archived calls involving Chris and occasionally gave interviews to observers. In November 2020, Chris took an interest in spree killer [[Randy Stair]], whose belief system regarding cartoons and alternative universes bears more than a passing relationship with Chris's, after watching a YouTube documentary on Stair produced by Sean. In February 2021, Sean attempted to become the fourth person behind the role of Lainchu but Chris rejected his attempt. He was instrumental in the eventual downfall of the Watchmen, admitting in private that he had been &quot;working with Former Kiwi Farmers to bring down the Watchmen&quot; out of a personal dislike of Bismuth, which led to a cascade of events in which multiple people were doxxed and Chris left the Watchmen's server.&lt;ref name=&quot;WCTThread&gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sean-walker-psychic-espeon-wct-wildcat-neko.97689 Sean Walker / @Psychic Espeon / Lainchu / WCT / WildCat / Neko (etc.) - Self-described &quot;Final Protagonist of Christory&quot;, spree-killer fanboy, connected to Bellagate]&lt;/ref&gt; He would go on to found [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|The Knights of CWC]], a Watchmen splinter group, where eventually Chris invited [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. Prior to Chris's arrest for [[incest]], Sean reached out to Bella again asking for her side of the story, who was able to manipulate Sean into attempting to shift blame from Isabella to the [[Suitress]].<br /> <br /> ===MKRNightVee===<br /> [[Image:MeghanRingo.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Meghan]]<br /> [[File:MKR enabling.png|200px|thumb|right||Meghan enabling Chris's delusional thoughts.]]<br /> {{quote|I am a [[CPU]], that means I am directly on the same level of godhood as [[Chris]]tine.|Meghan, replying to [[Sarah and Steve]] questioning if she really follows Chris's beliefs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://archive.md/lj64i Archive of 7 Nov 2019 tweet chain]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Nothing lasts forever, especially not any group protecting Chris-chan.|Meghan, reflecting after her March 2021 ragequit.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> '''Meghan Kathleen Ringo''' (born 24 April 1992), also known under the aliases '''MKRNightVee''', '''CPUMagentaHeart''' and '''thepixietailartist''', and sometimes referred to as '''Maker''' by Chris, appeared in early [[2019]]. She got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up Chris's phone number for her.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; She presented herself to Chris as being the [[CPU]] goddess of the [[Nintendo Switch]], offering him validation on his fantasies of having magic powers.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454/&lt;/ref&gt; She has stated that her goal isn't to feed into Chris's delusions so much as to offer advice and help.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR motives.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Chris offered her several of his possessions in his [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|Last Will and Testament]].<br /> <br /> She set up a Discord group for Chris, telling her friends to role-play as [[CPU]] goddesses to gain Chris's trust, while also instituting a no-trolling rule.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR Discord Rules.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> During the [[TF2 Analysis|TF2 Analysis saga]], she created an alt Twitter account named [[Creamarina]] and shared it with Chris to enable him to evade blocks.&lt;ref&gt;[[Misc texts#Creamarina]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> During the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in which Sockness attempted to manipulate Chris into a sexual relationship, Meghan saw the potential danger in Sockness's activities, and steered Chris away from him during summer 2019; Sockness, who at the time was engaging in a full-scale war against Chris's enablers, followers and critics alike, considered MKR to be a notable enemy of his, and apparently abused her verbally on Twitter as his second dramatic cycle approached its climax in early [[November 2019|November]]. She, as well as Aqua, largely mitigated Sockness's influence over Chris, though Chris was still willing to listen to Sockness.<br /> [[File:mkrragequit.png|200px|thumb|left|Meghan ragequits in March 2021.]]<br /> In March 2021, MKR temporarily gave up on helping Chris when she learned that he was planning on [[Taser Discussion|playing with a taser]] with his new friend group [[Praetor]], sending an angry Tweet directed towards him which expressed her disdain, before deleting her Twitter account a few days later.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt; However, she reactivated her account, and tweeted again to Chris in April, replying to Chris tagging her to show her a gif file,&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380732044951515137 (archive: https://archive.fo/fL8wZ)&lt;/ref&gt; and later to reply to another of Chris's tweets in order to call [[Other enablers#Helena Fiorenza|one of his enablers]] a faggot.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380756077864620033 (archive: https://archive.fo/Ybm8P)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In June 2021, internal conflict arose among Watchmen members over Bismuth allegedly doxing The WCT which resulted in the group separating. Meghan had sided with Bismuth and Chris against, leading to Chris distancing himself from Meghan in the fallout. On 29 June, Meghan tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She followed up by tweeting that she regretted having spent her time drawing art for Chris and accused him of being unappreciative of it.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1411511053872025605 (archive: https://archive.fo/8WSOI)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===AquaDiamond8===<br /> {{quote|Christine...Please stop this, Mewtwo is not real, the [[merge]] is not happening, you need serious help. If you need help there are people to help you with these delusions. This is incredibly unhealthy for you.|AquaDiamond8, March 2019&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/50xPX&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Still i dont want &lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt;[[Jacob Sockness]]&lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt; attacking my people when the merge happens, Christine has said there will be no more war or need for violence in the merge, my Sapphire has forseen this |AquaDiamond8 changes her tune, November 2019.&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.ph/0bMDM&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Magi-Chan and AquaDiamond8.jpg|AquaDiamond8 and Magi-Chan. Drawn by Aqua November 2019.|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> '''AquaDiamond8''' is a Twitter user who has bounced from being a [[ween]],&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-988#post-4495303&lt;/ref&gt; to a [[white knight]], to an enabler and Watchman. In November 2019, during the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in hopes to lure Chris away from Sockness, Aqua joined the Watchmen and embraced Chris's delusional beliefs, changing her Twitter handle to '''CPU Goddess Aqua of the Mac Book Pro'''. Later, Aqua began drawing fanart of her [[OC]] interacting with [[Magi-Chan]].&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/lGets&lt;/ref&gt; She then posted a Pokémon drawing, claiming it to be an alt-dimension Magi-Chan:&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/ETlxV&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[September 2020]], Aqua confirmed in the comments of a Dillin Thomas video that they were no longer a part of the Watchmen.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|in all honesty at first i genuinly wanted to help chris but after the incident with Wendy i wanted to make things better, and try to help him, and as someone with autism, and who has family that acts like chris, i knew how dificult it is to get them to beleive certain things. I guess going along with it and pretending to be a goddess was better than letting her be on her own and let someone else take advantage of her.<br /> <br /> Note that i never wanted anything from Chris, and did want to help, and despite what Dillin says about MKR or some of the &quot;enamblers, not all of them are bad, MKR is the nicest person i know and i know that she truely does care for Chris. <br /> <br /> I wanted to to help them with keeping sockness away from Chris and though it took some time ive seen chris is no longer taking his crap serious. I do keep up to date whats been going on, but i dont interact.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_ElSwC1Xo&amp;lc=Ugw4uQfLu00i10Lrjq14AaABAg.9DSJjEeQ6nb9DSfhyTd-Ra (Archive https://archive.md/oob08)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Owls===<br /> [[File:Ryan Owls.png|thumb|200px|left|Ryan.]]<br /> The original founder of the organization is one '''Ryan Winger''', a/k/a '''Owls''' to the other Watchmen, as '''GhostBird50''' on the [[Kiwi Farms]],&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and as '''CpuTurquoiseHeart''' to Chris,&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;[[:File:Naught origin clarify 1.png]] amd [[:File:Naught origin clarify 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Initially, Ryan advised MKRNightVee in interacting with Chris and founded the Watchmen's Discord server. Ryan also acted as a liaison between Watchmen and [[Guard Dogs]] member Marvin, though fellow Watchman Bismuth alleged that he hadn't been reporting back to Marvin.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Ryan eventually left the group, stating he wanted no more part in Chris's situation or in Internet drama, and was succeeded by Naught/Bismuth. This seems to have come when he got involved in a feud &lt;ref name=ryanfued&gt;[[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/]]&lt;/ref&gt; with several other obscure Chris orbiters.<br /> [[File:Ghostbird_kiwistatus.png|thumb|200px|right|Ryan, as Kiwi '''Ghostbird50''', states his desire to move on from Chris.]]<br /> <br /> ==Minor Players==<br /> <br /> ===Kyle===<br /> A seemingly minor and or less active member of the Watchmen. '''Kyle''' publicly appeared only in the [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|Google Hangout chats]]. Kyle was also apparently the inspiration for Chris's [[:File:KylechuOC.jpg|Kylechu]] OC.&lt;!--Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.--&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Klop===<br /> Additionally notable for being the former administrator of the CWCki Discord, a venue which forbids interaction with Chris on pain of a permaban, as well as an [[User:Klop|editor of this very wiki]], '''klop''' was involved with a considerable amount of interaction with Chris, most notably playing the [[Watchmen#The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Char|Lainchu]] character, as well as being a member/associate of the original Watchmen, albeit one without the prominence of those people listed above. Unlike most of the other minor players. he does not seem to have followed Sean into the Knights schism.<br /> <br /> ===Anaxis===<br /> Also a [[User:Anaxis|CWCki editor]], '''Anaxis''' was a seemingly bit player both in the original Watchmen and in Sean's splinter group, showing up in logs with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and with Sean. For unknown reasons, attempts were made to conceal the involvement of Anaxis with these groups on this Wiki.<br /> <br /> ==The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character==<br /> [[File:Lainchu.jpg|thumb|200px|Lainchu, as drawn by MKRNightVee.]]<br /> <br /> '''Lainchu''', also known as '''Lainchu the Chronicler''', is an OC created by Chris, whose purpose is to document Chris's activities (and unofficially, to provide Christorians with first hand information), based on the protagonist of the [[anime]], ''[[Wikipedia:Serial Experiments Lain|Serial Experiments Lain]]'', in which a teenage girl finds herself engaging with a virtual world network, reminiscent of the [[internet]].<br /> <br /> Four Watchmen had taken up the responsibility to [[Role-play|larp]] as Lainchu; <br /> <br /> *'''Bismuth''', who originally had the role&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *'''Klop''', who took over in 7 [[August 2020]] until late August<br /> *'''Anaxis''', who served as Lainchu from late August to mid [[February 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and again in March 2021, after Chris responded poorly to the role-playing of Sean (see below) who could only maintain his attention for about a month.<br /> *'''Sean Walker''' from mid February 2021 to [[March 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-02-20 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, who Chris rejected in the role.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Lainchu was, indirectly, the source of considerable controversy on the Kiwi Farms&lt;ref name=htlsock&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/&lt;/ref&gt; after an [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|administrator of this very Wiki]] used a sock account to modify this page, redacting the name '''Anaxis''' for unclear reasons, which lead to the revelation that said admin, along with the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], were present in Discords involving the Watchmen and [[Sean Walker]]'s splinter group, the &quot;Knights of CWC&quot;.<br /> <br /> ==Discord Servers==<br /> The Watchmen were in various [[Discord]] servers.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> From before the Watchmen had fully come out to the public, the server was eventually shut down. <br /> <br /> ===The Place===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Place.png|thumb|200px|The Place server.]]<br /> <br /> The Place is the server Chris was in from 2020-June 2021. In [[August 2020]], the Watchmen announced the presence of the group publicly via the [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|2020 Discord leaks]]. It was during this time the Watchmen name was adopted to describe the group.<br /> <br /> Signs of the group collapsing began appearing around late [[June 2021]]. Earlier in the month, The WCT had been doxed on [[Kiwi Farms]] by an account named Nightmare, and signs pointed to fellow Watchman and group leader Bismuth as the person behind the account.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/anameisaname-bismuth-anon-llc-naught-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-nightmare-tardwarsllc-heart-cpu-bismuth-heart.724/ (archive: https://archive.fo/G30td)&lt;/ref&gt; When The WCT confronted Bismuth in a voice chat during the group’s movie night on 21 June, Bismuth denied the allegation, then threatened to further dox The WCT in an attempt to silence him. Kyle and MKRNightVee took Bismuth’s side in the dispute.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3hYztxRHRA &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 25 June, The WCT informed Chris about the infighting. He showed Chris screenshots of Nightmare's Kiwi Farms posts and the voice chat in which he had confronted the group over Bismuth being Nightmare. According to The WCT, Chris gradually processed the information, in particular picking up on red flags from Bismuth in the chat - noticing his defensiveness and hostility towards The WCT. Ultimately, Chris believed The WCT's evidence and apparently cut ties with Bismuth over it.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt; A leaked voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; was posted to a Lolcow.org thread made about Bismuth the following day.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Kyle banned The WCT from the Watchmen's [[Discord]] server. In response, Chris then decided to leave their server. As The WCT explained, &quot;he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.&quot; The [[Praetor]] group, who had also been in the server, left it as well following Chris's departure.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 29 June, MKRNightVee made multiple tweets that suggested Chris had cut communications with her. She tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She then followed up with accusations against The WCT, believing him to be messing with Chris and having sinister motives.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410103600932548609 (archive: https://archive.md/UKGom)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Knights of CWC===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Knights of CWC.png|thumb|200px|left|The Knights of CWC server.]] <br /> <br /> '''The Knights of CWC''' was the server Chris was in from late June 2021 until his August 2021 arrest for [[incest]]. It was founded by [[Sean Walker]] following his fallout with Bismuth/Naught over the latter's doxing of the former leading to bad blood between the two of them and between Sean and MKR. The disagreement seems to have been of a personal nature, and related to these two individuals leaking embarrassing material on one another both publicly, and privately to Chris, with Sean eventually being able to win over Chris and convince him that MKR and Sean were [[Nazis]], using a recording from their Discord. Sean was unsure of calling his group by the Watchmen moniker. He also stated he wanted the group be kept secret as the earlier iteration of the Watchmen once had been.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:WCT on Knights of CWC server.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Notable were disagreements between the leaders of the two groups on how best to handle [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. According to '''The Fool''', a longtime but now-banned [[Kiwi Farms]] user and lesser-known affiliate of the Watchmen and then the Knights:<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Neither naught or WCT were friends with bella, bella was in her own little white knight group controlling chris. WCT tried to be friendly with her so he could keep a short leash on her, bella was very defensive about it. WCT said naught actively tried to push bella away which might be why bella was defensive about WCT trying to interact with her, but that's just from what WCT said, I didn't witness anything the Watchmen ever did myself.<br /> <br /> both naught and WCT knew bella was a ween but they couldn't get chris to not interact with her, or the [[praetor]] crew in general for that matter. naught tried to outright demonize them while WCT tried to pretend to be friendly with them to facilitate open communication so they could know exactly what praetor was planning next. Neither plan worked, but, it's Chris, what can you do.&lt;ref name=foolpraetor&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27908 and https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27912&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Interviews==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Bismuth through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Bismuth's responses color-coded white.<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Q&amp;A|The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.<br /> <br /> After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}<br /> <br /> The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Stress and people @ her on Twitter<br /> <br /> Her and mkr are still frens}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 1.png]][[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}}}<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> {{Protip|Given the complicated history with WCT, it's possible that at least some of his claims here are not completely TRUE or HONEST. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.}}<br /> The WCT was interviewed over Discord about the Watchmen breakup on 11 July 2021. The WCT's messages are in blue and the interviewer's in green.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Hi. Someone told me you’re The WCT. If it’s okay with you, I’d like to ask you some questions about the Watchmen breakup for the Cwcki.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|hi there.<br /> <br /> and yes, by all means ask said questions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|The initial conflict seems to be between you and Bismuth, that Bismuth doxed you. How did it grow to break up the Watchmen group?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|After I concluded that it was Bismuth that was responsible for the doxing, I made the choice to contact MKRNightVee (or Meghan some of you know her as) and I showed her a lot of screenshots in DMs that compared the typing style of his old Kiwi Farms accounts to one that he used to dox me. (which was Nightmare)<br /> <br /> I recall telling her that I was 90 percent sure that it was him.<br /> <br /> But in spite of the evidence that I had presented to her at the time, she didn't believe me. And during our VC on June 21st, She and Kyle were still not convinced.<br /> <br /> They originally thought it was somebody who I angered in the past, but knowing what the Nightmare account was up to at the time, I knew that it was him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris learn of the dispute?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Not long after the VC, I decided that I would contact him myself.<br /> <br /> So with the help of a Former Watchmen who had his phone number, I was able to get in contact with him on June 25th.<br /> <br /> And there, I had an hour and 40 minute talk with him that first started off as any conversation I'd usually have with him until I was comfortable enough to tell him the details.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did you show Chris the same evidence that you did to MKRNightVee?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|When I was talking with MKR, I didn't show her as much evidence at the time since the Investigation was still ongoing. And compared to what I shared with Chris, I shared less with MKR.<br /> <br /> Not because I didn't trust her, but it was because there was not enough information available at the time. And what I ended up showing Chris was a combination of the Kiwi Farms posts and the VC that I had with the rest of the group.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris react to it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|It took Chris a while to process it.<br /> <br /> With each screenshot, he began to believe that my claims were true. And when we were both going over the VC, he noticed how Bismuth was getting really defensive and thought that he was clearly lying to me. <br /> <br /> Especially when I told Bismuth that Josh (Null) claimed to me that him and Nightmare were the same person.<br /> And that 3-4 seconds of silence on his part was something that helped convince Chris that I was in the right.<br /> <br /> He also noticed how hostile Bismuth was getting towards me as well, especially when I kept on asking him if he doxed me or not. Chris saw that as a red flag.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did Chris cut ties with Bismuth?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|From what I know, yes he did.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What happened between Chris and MKRNightVee? MKR’s recent tweets indicate they’ve had a falling out. Is it related to the Watchmen breakup?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes it is.<br /> <br /> Meghan was upset that Chris had sided with me in regards to what had happened.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How does Praetor fit in to this? MKRNightVee has said in a tweet that you’ve teamed up with them.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Praetor had nothing to do with what happened.<br /> <br /> Its just that when they got word from Chris that he had left the server, they followed. So it makes sense on MKR's part to accuse me of working with them because we all either got banned or left the place at the same time.<br /> <br /> It was a strange coincidence yes, but there is zero contact between me and Caden.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What server did Chris leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|The Watchmen's Place.<br /> <br /> as some of you might've heard of on the CWCki. - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Discord#The_Watchmen.27s_Place}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Why did he leave it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|when he got word that I got banned from the server (by Kyle that is), he saw it as a green light to leave it himself.<br /> <br /> So essentially he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Are you still in contact with Chris?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|at this moment in time, I'm not.<br /> <br /> We went our separate ways not long after the Watchmen had broken up and I believe that its for the best for both me and him.<br /> <br /> And rather or not if he wants to be in touch with me still is completely up to him, but I won't be too surprised if he had already moved on at this point, and I respect whatever path he goes on moving forward.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Forgot to ask earlier, but what was your motivation for informing Chris of the conflict between you and Bismuth/MKR/Kyle?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I was running out of options on what to do. When MKR and Kyle didn't believe my claims, I felt that I had no choice but to inform Chris on what had happened.<br /> <br /> It was a very risky move on my part to do that, but I don't regret telling him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|That’s all the questions I have. Thank you for answering. Is there anything else you would like to add?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I just want to let people know that Chris is now a free man with nobody to dictate his actions. And for his sake, it needs to remain that way.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Thanks again. I'll look to getting this conversation to the CWCki. Do you want your username/avatar censored?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screencaps|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:The WCT interview1.png<br /> File:The WCT interview2.png<br /> File:The WCT interview3.png<br /> File:The WCT interview4.png<br /> File:The WCT interview5.png<br /> File:The WCT interview6.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[CWCProtectSquad]]<br /> *[[Guard Dogs]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Fantasies}}<br /> {{People}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&diff=271479 2021-10-23T18:12:42Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character */</p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|You brought so much fucking [[Laughs Under Lucricities|joy]] to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Bismuth, one of the Watchmen, to Chris.&lt;ref&gt;[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Watchmen.jpg|thumb|The [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|accumulated]] [[Unholy Tetrad|filth]] of their [[trolls]] and [[weening]] will foam up about their waists and all the [[Dimensional Merge|Merge-deniers]] and [[A-log|A-logs]] will look up and shout &quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]]&quot; ...And I'll look down, and whisper &quot;[[THAT IS MY HOUSE|I'm workin' on it.]]&quot;]]<br /> <br /> The '''Watchmen''' were a group of fanatical [[enablers]] whose members served as gatekeepers and [[white knights]] for [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], in a similar manner as their predecessors, the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to keep away malicious individuals trying to troll or scam Chris, and as such wound up in conflict with [[Sockness]], [[Praetor]] and various other members of the rogue's gallery of the CWC universe. The group had a few iterations but with Chris currently jailed for [[incest]] their purpose has become moot. Furthermore, unfortunately, some of the problems were coming from within their own house, namely [[Sean Walker]], who with the Watchmen mainly used the names ''Conner'' and ''neko''. Sean was able to effectively wrest control of Chris from the rest of the Watchmen, and use said control to found his own enabling group, the [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|Knights of CWC]].<br /> <br /> As a faction, the Watchmen were instrumental in numerous events over the course of late [[2019]] onwards, such as attempting to dismantle [[Jacob Sockness]]’s influence over Chris and drive him off. They also shut down the Arbitarch CWC Alliance Discord server when the true intent of the server was revealed. Chris had contact with the Watchmen, including [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|chatting with them]] on [[Discord Q&amp;A 4|Google Hangouts]] and over [[Discord]]. The Watchmen were also behind the [[2020 Discord leaks|Discord leaks in August 2020]], and the [[Discord Q&amp;A]]'s.<br /> <br /> Their approach was rather controversial, as they gained Chris's favor by means of [[Enablers|enabling]] his delusions by pretending to be fellow [[CPU]] goddesses and encouraging his beliefs in [[magical thinking]] and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. The Watchmen tracked and collected information on anyone involved with - or attempting to get involved with Chris, and had little to hesitation in regards to doing any potential [[weens]], [[trolls]], and [[A-Log|A-logs]].<br /> <br /> While they shared a name with the 1986/1987 DC Comics limited series by Alan Moore, David Gibbons, and John Higgins, the 2009 film adaptation (which is [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|not that long of a movie]], according to [[Emily]] and [[The Man in the Pickle Suit]]), the 2019 HBO series, and the various comic book spin-offs, the Watchmen apparently did not take inspiration from the franchise, in contrast to how [[The Miscreants]] modeled themselves after the Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''.<br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> What eventually became the Watchmen group had its roots in the CWC Rebellion Discord server. There, Owls met Meghan (aka MKRNightVee), and Talia (whom Owls described as &quot;a person exploiting and egging MKR on to talk to Chris&quot;).&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1257#post-7343340 (Archive: https://archive.fo/06IZx)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Meghan got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/&lt;/ref&gt; Owls tried to coach Meghan&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl5-png.644835/&lt;/ref&gt; and avoid problems, though he admits he didn't do well at it.&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> After Meghan had been in contact with Chris for some time, Owls came up with the idea to try to [[manipulate]] Chris's beliefs away from the [[Dimensional Merge]] through telling him that the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] had relocated to Earth. Meghan recruited her friends to role-play as CPUs to Chris over Discord; Owls acted as a gatekeeper between MKR's friends and Chris.&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> {{quote|time passed talking with Meghan for about a month or so there came an idea from me in the most autistic way possible &quot;convince Chris that merge wasn't happening and that CPU had decided to be on earth and act like normal people in society&quot;. foolishly believing this would work Meghan gathered some people from different servers she said we could trust and we made a server. this idea failed and when the first person decided to brag about it on a different discord I shut down the idea.|Owls&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> According to Bismuth, Owls acted as liaison between the CPU group and [[Marvin]] of the [[Guard Dogs]] group (the latter also being gatekeepers to Chris at the time) but Bismuth claimed that Owls wasn't reporting back to Marvin. Owls later left the group.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Major Players==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> [[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]<br /> '''Bismuth''' was the second leader of the Watchmen, taking over the group after Owls left.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; He monitored and doxed potential weens or outside enablers. He went by many usernames - he used &quot;Bismuth&quot; to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including &quot;Naught&quot;, &quot;anameisaname&quot;, &quot;death of chans&quot;, and &quot;Nightmare&quot;&lt;ref name=naug htthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; - he was eventually banned from the forum for use of multiple sockpuppet accounts, advertising, and liking his own posts with sock accounts.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/corbindallasmultipass-memorial-thread.30974/post-9227018&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[June 2021]], conflict arose between Bismuth and fellow Watchman [[Sean Walker|The WCT]], stemming from an allegation Bismuth had doxed the latter.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Following a Lolcow.org thread on the ex-member of the group, an audio voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; suggested that Chris sided against Bismuth in the dispute.<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> [[File:BiggusDorkus.png|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> {{Main|Sean Walker}}<br /> <br /> '''Sean Walker''', primarily known in the context of the Watchmen as '''Conner''' or '''neko''', or in the broader Internet as '''the WCT''', archived calls involving Chris and occasionally gave interviews to observers. In November 2020, Chris took an interest in spree killer [[Randy Stair]], whose belief system regarding cartoons and alternative universes bears more than a passing relationship with Chris's, after watching a YouTube documentary on Stair produced by Sean. In February 2021, Sean attempted to become the fourth person behind the role of Lainchu but Chris rejected his attempt. He was instrumental in the eventual downfall of the Watchmen, admitting in private that he had been &quot;working with Former Kiwi Farmers to bring down the Watchmen&quot; out of a personal dislike of Bismuth, which led to a cascade of events in which multiple people were doxxed and Chris left the Watchmen's server.&lt;ref name=&quot;WCTThread&gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sean-walker-psychic-espeon-wct-wildcat-neko.97689 Sean Walker / @Psychic Espeon / Lainchu / WCT / WildCat / Neko (etc.) - Self-described &quot;Final Protagonist of Christory&quot;, spree-killer fanboy, connected to Bellagate]&lt;/ref&gt; He would go on to found [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|The Knights of CWC]], a Watchmen splinter group, where eventually Chris invited [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. Prior to Chris's arrest for [[incest]], Sean reached out to Bella again asking for her side of the story, who was able to manipulate Sean into attempting to shift blame from Isabella to the [[Suitress]].<br /> <br /> ===MKRNightVee===<br /> [[Image:MeghanRingo.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Meghan]]<br /> [[File:MKR enabling.png|200px|thumb|right||Meghan enabling Chris's delusional thoughts.]]<br /> {{quote|I am a [[CPU]], that means I am directly on the same level of godhood as [[Chris]]tine.|Meghan, replying to [[Sarah and Steve]] questioning if she really follows Chris's beliefs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://archive.md/lj64i Archive of 7 Nov 2019 tweet chain]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Nothing lasts forever, especially not any group protecting Chris-chan.|Meghan, reflecting after her March 2021 ragequit.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> '''Meghan Kathleen Ringo''' (born 24 April 1992), also known under the aliases '''MKRNightVee''', '''CPUMagentaHeart''' and '''thepixietailartist''', and sometimes referred to as '''Maker''' by Chris, appeared in early [[2019]]. She got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up Chris's phone number for her.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; She presented herself to Chris as being the [[CPU]] goddess of the [[Nintendo Switch]], offering him validation on his fantasies of having magic powers.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454/&lt;/ref&gt; She has stated that her goal isn't to feed into Chris's delusions so much as to offer advice and help.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR motives.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Chris offered her several of his possessions in his [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|Last Will and Testament]].<br /> <br /> She set up a Discord group for Chris, telling her friends to role-play as [[CPU]] goddesses to gain Chris's trust, while also instituting a no-trolling rule.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR Discord Rules.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> During the [[TF2 Analysis|TF2 Analysis saga]], she created an alt Twitter account named [[Creamarina]] and shared it with Chris to enable him to evade blocks.&lt;ref&gt;[[Misc texts#Creamarina]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> During the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in which Sockness attempted to manipulate Chris into a sexual relationship, Meghan saw the potential danger in Sockness's activities, and steered Chris away from him during summer 2019; Sockness, who at the time was engaging in a full-scale war against Chris's enablers, followers and critics alike, considered MKR to be a notable enemy of his, and apparently abused her verbally on Twitter as his second dramatic cycle approached its climax in early [[November 2019|November]]. She, as well as Aqua, largely mitigated Sockness's influence over Chris, though Chris was still willing to listen to Sockness.<br /> [[File:mkrragequit.png|200px|thumb|left|Meghan ragequits in March 2021.]]<br /> In March 2021, MKR temporarily gave up on helping Chris when she learned that he was planning on [[Taser Discussion|playing with a taser]] with his new friend group [[Praetor]], sending an angry Tweet directed towards him which expressed her disdain, before deleting her Twitter account a few days later.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt; However, she reactivated her account, and tweeted again to Chris in April, replying to Chris tagging her to show her a gif file,&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380732044951515137 (archive: https://archive.fo/fL8wZ)&lt;/ref&gt; and later to reply to another of Chris's tweets in order to call [[Other enablers#Helena Fiorenza|one of his enablers]] a faggot.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380756077864620033 (archive: https://archive.fo/Ybm8P)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In June 2021, internal conflict arose among Watchmen members over Bismuth allegedly doxing The WCT which resulted in the group separating. Meghan had sided with Bismuth and Chris against, leading to Chris distancing himself from Meghan in the fallout. On 29 June, Meghan tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She followed up by tweeting that she regretted having spent her time drawing art for Chris and accused him of being unappreciative of it.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1411511053872025605 (archive: https://archive.fo/8WSOI)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===AquaDiamond8===<br /> {{quote|Christine...Please stop this, Mewtwo is not real, the [[merge]] is not happening, you need serious help. If you need help there are people to help you with these delusions. This is incredibly unhealthy for you.|AquaDiamond8, March 2019&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/50xPX&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Still i dont want &lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt;[[Jacob Sockness]]&lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt; attacking my people when the merge happens, Christine has said there will be no more war or need for violence in the merge, my Sapphire has forseen this |AquaDiamond8 changes her tune, November 2019.&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.ph/0bMDM&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Magi-Chan and AquaDiamond8.jpg|AquaDiamond8 and Magi-Chan. Drawn by Aqua November 2019.|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> '''AquaDiamond8''' is a Twitter user who has bounced from being a [[ween]],&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-988#post-4495303&lt;/ref&gt; to a [[white knight]], to an enabler and Watchman. In November 2019, during the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in hopes to lure Chris away from Sockness, Aqua joined the Watchmen and embraced Chris's delusional beliefs, changing her Twitter handle to '''CPU Goddess Aqua of the Mac Book Pro'''. Later, Aqua began drawing fanart of her [[OC]] interacting with [[Magi-Chan]].&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/lGets&lt;/ref&gt; She then posted a Pokémon drawing, claiming it to be an alt-dimension Magi-Chan:&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/ETlxV&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[September 2020]], Aqua confirmed in the comments of a Dillin Thomas video that they were no longer a part of the Watchmen.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|in all honesty at first i genuinly wanted to help chris but after the incident with Wendy i wanted to make things better, and try to help him, and as someone with autism, and who has family that acts like chris, i knew how dificult it is to get them to beleive certain things. I guess going along with it and pretending to be a goddess was better than letting her be on her own and let someone else take advantage of her.<br /> <br /> Note that i never wanted anything from Chris, and did want to help, and despite what Dillin says about MKR or some of the &quot;enamblers, not all of them are bad, MKR is the nicest person i know and i know that she truely does care for Chris. <br /> <br /> I wanted to to help them with keeping sockness away from Chris and though it took some time ive seen chris is no longer taking his crap serious. I do keep up to date whats been going on, but i dont interact.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_ElSwC1Xo&amp;lc=Ugw4uQfLu00i10Lrjq14AaABAg.9DSJjEeQ6nb9DSfhyTd-Ra (Archive https://archive.md/oob08)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Owls===<br /> [[File:Ryan Owls.png|thumb|200px|left|Ryan.]]<br /> The original founder of the organization is one '''Ryan Winger''', a/k/a '''Owls''' to the other Watchmen, as '''GhostBird50''' on the [[Kiwi Farms]],&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and as '''CpuTurquoiseHeart''' to Chris,&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;[[:File:Naught origin clarify 1.png]] amd [[:File:Naught origin clarify 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Initially, Ryan advised MKRNightVee in interacting with Chris and founded the Watchmen's Discord server. Ryan also acted as a liaison between Watchmen and [[Guard Dogs]] member Marvin, though fellow Watchman Bismuth alleged that he hadn't been reporting back to Marvin.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Ryan eventually left the group, stating he wanted no more part in Chris's situation or in Internet drama, and was succeeded by Naught/Bismuth. This seems to have come when he got involved in a feud &lt;ref name=ryanfued&gt;[[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/]]&lt;/ref&gt; with several other obscure Chris orbiters.<br /> [[File:Ghostbird_kiwistatus.png|thumb|200px|right|Ryan, as Kiwi '''Ghostbird50''', states his desire to move on from Chris.]]<br /> <br /> ==Minor Players==<br /> <br /> ===Kyle===<br /> A seemingly minor and or less active member of the Watchmen. '''Kyle''' publicly appeared only in the [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|Google Hangout chats]]. Kyle was also apparently the inspiration for Chris's [[:File:KylechuOC.jpg|Kylechu]] OC.&lt;!--Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.--&gt;<br /> <br /> ===Klop===<br /> Additionally notable for being the former administrator of the CWCki Discord, a venue which forbids interaction with Chris on pain of a permaban, as well as an [[User:Klop|editor of this very wiki]], '''klop''' was involved with a considerable amount of interaction with Chris, most notably playing the [[Watchmen#The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Char|Lainchu]] character, as well as being a member/associate of the original Watchmen, albeit one without the prominence of those people listed above. Unlike most of the other minor players. he does not seem to have followed Sean into the Knights schism.<br /> <br /> ===Anaxis===<br /> Also a [[User:Anaxis|CWCki editor]], '''Anaxis''' was a seemingly bit player both in the original Watchmen and in Sean's splinter group, showing up in logs with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and with Sean. For unknown reasons, attempts were made to conceal the involvement of Anaxis with these groups on this Wiki.<br /> <br /> ==The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character==<br /> [[File:Lainchu.jpg|thumb|200px|Lainchu, as drawn by MKRNightVee.]]<br /> <br /> '''Lainchu''', also known as '''Lainchu the Chronicler''', is an OC created by Chris, whose purpose is to document Chris's activities (and unofficially, to provide Christorians with first hand information), based on the protagonist of the [[anime]], ''[[Wikipedia:Serial Experiments Lain|Serial Experiments Lain]]'', in which a teenage girl finds herself engaging with a virtual world network, reminiscent of the [[internet]].<br /> <br /> Four Watchmen had taken up the responsibility to [[Role-play|larp]] as Lainchu; <br /> <br /> *'''Bismuth''', who originally had the role&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *'''Klop''', who took over in 7 [[August 2020]] until late August<br /> *'''Anaxis''', who served as Lainchu from late August to mid [[February 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and again in March 2021, after Chris responded poorly to the role-playing of Sean (see below) who could only maintain his attention for about a month.<br /> *'''Sean Walker''' from mid February 2021 to [[March 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-02-20 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, who Chris rejected in the role.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Lainchu was, indirectly, the source of considerable controversy on the Kiwi Farms&lt;ref name=htlsock&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/&lt;/ref&gt; after an [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|administrator of this very Wiki]] used a sock account to modify this page, redacting the name '''Anaxis''' for unclear reasons, which lead to the revelation that said admin, along with the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], were present in Discords involving the Watchmen and [[Sean Walker]]'s splinter group, the &quot;Knights of CWC&quot;.<br /> <br /> ==Discord Servers==<br /> The Watchmen were in various [[Discord]] servers.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> From before the Watchmen had fully come out to the public, the server was eventually shut down. <br /> <br /> ===The Place===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Place.png|thumb|200px|The Place server.]]<br /> <br /> The Place is the server Chris was in from 2020-June 2021. In [[August 2020]], the Watchmen announced the presence of the group publicly via the [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|2020 Discord leaks]]. It was during this time the Watchmen name was adopted to describe the group.<br /> <br /> Signs of the group collapsing began appearing around late [[June 2021]]. Earlier in the month, The WCT had been doxed on [[Kiwi Farms]] by an account named Nightmare, and signs pointed to fellow Watchman and group leader Bismuth as the person behind the account.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/anameisaname-bismuth-anon-llc-naught-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-nightmare-tardwarsllc-heart-cpu-bismuth-heart.724/ (archive: https://archive.fo/G30td)&lt;/ref&gt; When The WCT confronted Bismuth in a voice chat during the group’s movie night on 21 June, Bismuth denied the allegation, then threatened to further dox The WCT in an attempt to silence him. Kyle and MKRNightVee took Bismuth’s side in the dispute.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3hYztxRHRA &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 25 June, The WCT informed Chris about the infighting. He showed Chris screenshots of Nightmare's Kiwi Farms posts and the voice chat in which he had confronted the group over Bismuth being Nightmare. According to The WCT, Chris gradually processed the information, in particular picking up on red flags from Bismuth in the chat - noticing his defensiveness and hostility towards The WCT. Ultimately, Chris believed The WCT's evidence and apparently cut ties with Bismuth over it.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt; A leaked voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; was posted to a Lolcow.org thread made about Bismuth the following day.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Kyle banned The WCT from the Watchmen's [[Discord]] server. In response, Chris then decided to leave their server. As The WCT explained, &quot;he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.&quot; The [[Praetor]] group, who had also been in the server, left it as well following Chris's departure.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 29 June, MKRNightVee made multiple tweets that suggested Chris had cut communications with her. She tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She then followed up with accusations against The WCT, believing him to be messing with Chris and having sinister motives.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410103600932548609 (archive: https://archive.md/UKGom)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Knights of CWC===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Knights of CWC.png|thumb|200px|left|The Knights of CWC server.]] <br /> <br /> '''The Knights of CWC''' was the server Chris was in from late June 2021 until his August 2021 arrest for [[incest]]. It was founded by [[Sean Walker]] following his fallout with Bismuth/Naught over the latter's doxing of the former leading to bad blood between the two of them and between Sean and MKR. The disagreement seems to have been of a personal nature, and related to these two individuals leaking embarrassing material on one another both publicly, and privately to Chris, with Sean eventually being able to win over Chris and convince him that MKR and Sean were [[Nazis]], using a recording from their Discord. Sean was unsure of calling his group by the Watchmen moniker. He also stated he wanted the group be kept secret as the earlier iteration of the Watchmen once had been.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:WCT on Knights of CWC server.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Notable were disagreements between the leaders of the two groups on how best to handle [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. According to '''The Fool''', a longtime but now-banned [[Kiwi Farms]] user and lesser-known affiliate of the Watchmen and then the Knights:<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxyellow|Neither naught or WCT were friends with bella, bella was in her own little white knight group controlling chris. WCT tried to be friendly with her so he could keep a short leash on her, bella was very defensive about it. WCT said naught actively tried to push bella away which might be why bella was defensive about WCT trying to interact with her, but that's just from what WCT said, I didn't witness anything the Watchmen ever did myself.<br /> <br /> both naught and WCT knew bella was a ween but they couldn't get chris to not interact with her, or the [[praetor]] crew in general for that matter. naught tried to outright demonize them while WCT tried to pretend to be friendly with them to facilitate open communication so they could know exactly what praetor was planning next. Neither plan worked, but, it's Chris, what can you do.&lt;ref name=foolpraetor&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27908 and https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27912&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==Interviews==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Bismuth through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Bismuth's responses color-coded white.<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Q&amp;A|The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.<br /> <br /> After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}<br /> <br /> The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Stress and people @ her on Twitter<br /> <br /> Her and mkr are still frens}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 1.png]][[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}}}<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> {{Protip|Given the complicated history with WCT, it's possible that at least some of his claims here are not completely TRUE or HONEST. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.}}<br /> The WCT was interviewed over Discord about the Watchmen breakup on 11 July 2021. The WCT's messages are in blue and the interviewer's in green.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Hi. Someone told me you’re The WCT. If it’s okay with you, I’d like to ask you some questions about the Watchmen breakup for the Cwcki.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|hi there.<br /> <br /> and yes, by all means ask said questions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|The initial conflict seems to be between you and Bismuth, that Bismuth doxed you. How did it grow to break up the Watchmen group?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|After I concluded that it was Bismuth that was responsible for the doxing, I made the choice to contact MKRNightVee (or Meghan some of you know her as) and I showed her a lot of screenshots in DMs that compared the typing style of his old Kiwi Farms accounts to one that he used to dox me. (which was Nightmare)<br /> <br /> I recall telling her that I was 90 percent sure that it was him.<br /> <br /> But in spite of the evidence that I had presented to her at the time, she didn't believe me. And during our VC on June 21st, She and Kyle were still not convinced.<br /> <br /> They originally thought it was somebody who I angered in the past, but knowing what the Nightmare account was up to at the time, I knew that it was him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris learn of the dispute?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Not long after the VC, I decided that I would contact him myself.<br /> <br /> So with the help of a Former Watchmen who had his phone number, I was able to get in contact with him on June 25th.<br /> <br /> And there, I had an hour and 40 minute talk with him that first started off as any conversation I'd usually have with him until I was comfortable enough to tell him the details.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did you show Chris the same evidence that you did to MKRNightVee?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|When I was talking with MKR, I didn't show her as much evidence at the time since the Investigation was still ongoing. And compared to what I shared with Chris, I shared less with MKR.<br /> <br /> Not because I didn't trust her, but it was because there was not enough information available at the time. And what I ended up showing Chris was a combination of the Kiwi Farms posts and the VC that I had with the rest of the group.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris react to it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|It took Chris a while to process it.<br /> <br /> With each screenshot, he began to believe that my claims were true. And when we were both going over the VC, he noticed how Bismuth was getting really defensive and thought that he was clearly lying to me. <br /> <br /> Especially when I told Bismuth that Josh (Null) claimed to me that him and Nightmare were the same person.<br /> And that 3-4 seconds of silence on his part was something that helped convince Chris that I was in the right.<br /> <br /> He also noticed how hostile Bismuth was getting towards me as well, especially when I kept on asking him if he doxed me or not. Chris saw that as a red flag.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did Chris cut ties with Bismuth?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|From what I know, yes he did.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What happened between Chris and MKRNightVee? MKR’s recent tweets indicate they’ve had a falling out. Is it related to the Watchmen breakup?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes it is.<br /> <br /> Meghan was upset that Chris had sided with me in regards to what had happened.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How does Praetor fit in to this? MKRNightVee has said in a tweet that you’ve teamed up with them.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Praetor had nothing to do with what happened.<br /> <br /> Its just that when they got word from Chris that he had left the server, they followed. So it makes sense on MKR's part to accuse me of working with them because we all either got banned or left the place at the same time.<br /> <br /> It was a strange coincidence yes, but there is zero contact between me and Caden.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What server did Chris leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|The Watchmen's Place.<br /> <br /> as some of you might've heard of on the CWCki. - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Discord#The_Watchmen.27s_Place}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Why did he leave it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|when he got word that I got banned from the server (by Kyle that is), he saw it as a green light to leave it himself.<br /> <br /> So essentially he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Are you still in contact with Chris?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|at this moment in time, I'm not.<br /> <br /> We went our separate ways not long after the Watchmen had broken up and I believe that its for the best for both me and him.<br /> <br /> And rather or not if he wants to be in touch with me still is completely up to him, but I won't be too surprised if he had already moved on at this point, and I respect whatever path he goes on moving forward.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Forgot to ask earlier, but what was your motivation for informing Chris of the conflict between you and Bismuth/MKR/Kyle?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I was running out of options on what to do. When MKR and Kyle didn't believe my claims, I felt that I had no choice but to inform Chris on what had happened.<br /> <br /> It was a very risky move on my part to do that, but I don't regret telling him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|That’s all the questions I have. Thank you for answering. Is there anything else you would like to add?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I just want to let people know that Chris is now a free man with nobody to dictate his actions. And for his sake, it needs to remain that way.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Thanks again. I'll look to getting this conversation to the CWCki. Do you want your username/avatar censored?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screencaps|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:The WCT interview1.png<br /> File:The WCT interview2.png<br /> File:The WCT interview3.png<br /> File:The WCT interview4.png<br /> File:The WCT interview5.png<br /> File:The WCT interview6.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[CWCProtectSquad]]<br /> *[[Guard Dogs]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Fantasies}}<br /> {{People}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Praetor&diff=271464 2021-10-23T16:24:33Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Annie (Annabel Marie Ikenberry) */</p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|250px|thumb|Three of the Praetor members, pictured with Chris. Not pictured is fourth member owen_sundstrom.]]<br /> <br /> '''Praetor''' is a group of [[enablers]] who sell Sonichu-themed products on Chris's behalf. In [[October 2020]], photos were discovered of the group posing with Chris on [[Instagram]]. As of yet, how their relationship with Chris began is unknown. On 8 November 2020, Chris uploaded [[Sonichu's Update on the Dimension Merge and Sermon - October, 2020|a sermon]] that he delivered to them.<br /> <br /> Praetor is &quot;officially partnered&quot; with Chris, and on 11 December 2020, Chris advertised for their Etsy shop, linking to medallions produced by the group, mentioning he would get a cut of the profits in exchange.&lt;ref&gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Praetor sells medallions]]&lt;/ref&gt; The account on Etsy is also named Praetor, and they are the owner of OfficialCWCmart. As of 15 December, they have sold 151 medallions, and are considered a bestseller.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.etsy.com/listing/904683630/official-chris-chan-sonichu-medallion&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> Praetor was revealed in the fallout of the [[incest|Merge]] to be made up of students from Goochland High School in <br /> <br /> {{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the &quot;Chris Chan Style.&quot; Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}<br /> <br /> ==Members==<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> ===Annie (Annabel Renee Ikenberry)===<br /> '''Annie Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') is an 18-year old OnlyFans camgirl and the primary female &quot;bait&quot; used by the Praetors to attract Chris.<br /> <br /> ===Owen Sundstrom===<br /> '''Owen Sundstrom''', the only male member and together with Annie the only Chris weens yet documented who could be considered attractive, seems to have been the leader at least in terms of their business ventures but keeps an even lower profile than his peers. <br /> ===Caden Peck===<br /> ===Emily(?) and Unknown Female===<br /> ===Isabella Loretta Janke===<br /> Isabella was hired by Praetor to make the animated Chris-Chan Sonichu Introduction video, and had an unclear relationship with them going forward. According to Bella she cut ties with them early in 2021 but according to the [[Watchmen]], she was a prominent Praetor member up until at least June.<br /> <br /> ==The stun gun situation==<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, one of Praetor's members, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.&lt;ref name=td&gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> On 15 November, Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a stun gun.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/&lt;/ref&gt; Chris stated in February 2021 that he would be using the taser to stun his [[magic stones]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].&lt;ref&gt;[[February 2021 Watchmen leaks‎]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Audio of Praetor members and another voice that is alleged to be [[Watchmen#Bismuth|Naught/Bismuth]] of the Watchmen, also leaked.<br /> <br /> ==Involvement with the Watchmen and Isabella Loretta Janke===<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> <br /> ==Gallery==<br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|The Etsy [[medallion]] in question<br /> File:praetor cart.jpg|What do they plan to do with [[Captain's Log|that taser]]? <br /> File:Tinyhorse02.png|Look at that shit-eating grin.<br /> File:Praetor3.jpg|Note the graying and bald spot in his [[hair]].<br /> File:Praetor4.jpg|Chris with Owen.<br /> File:Praetor5.jpg|Wearing a filthy shirt, [[medallion]], and [[magic stones]]. ‎ A cropped version of this image was distributed with the Greene County Sheriff's press release about Chris' arrest.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram]<br /> *[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{People}}<br /> {{Fantasies}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Praetor&diff=271463 2021-10-23T16:24:05Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|250px|thumb|Three of the Praetor members, pictured with Chris. Not pictured is fourth member owen_sundstrom.]]<br /> <br /> '''Praetor''' is a group of [[enablers]] who sell Sonichu-themed products on Chris's behalf. In [[October 2020]], photos were discovered of the group posing with Chris on [[Instagram]]. As of yet, how their relationship with Chris began is unknown. On 8 November 2020, Chris uploaded [[Sonichu's Update on the Dimension Merge and Sermon - October, 2020|a sermon]] that he delivered to them.<br /> <br /> Praetor is &quot;officially partnered&quot; with Chris, and on 11 December 2020, Chris advertised for their Etsy shop, linking to medallions produced by the group, mentioning he would get a cut of the profits in exchange.&lt;ref&gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Praetor sells medallions]]&lt;/ref&gt; The account on Etsy is also named Praetor, and they are the owner of OfficialCWCmart. As of 15 December, they have sold 151 medallions, and are considered a bestseller.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.etsy.com/listing/904683630/official-chris-chan-sonichu-medallion&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> Praetor was revealed in the fallout of the [[incest|Merge]] to be made up of students from Goochland High School in <br /> <br /> {{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the &quot;Chris Chan Style.&quot; Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}<br /> <br /> ==Members==<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> ===Annie (Annabel Marie Ikenberry)===<br /> '''Annie Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') is an 18-year old OnlyFans camgirl and the primary female &quot;bait&quot; used by the Praetors to attract Chris.<br /> ===Owen Sundstrom===<br /> '''Owen Sundstrom''', the only male member and together with Annie the only Chris weens yet documented who could be considered attractive, seems to have been the leader at least in terms of their business ventures but keeps an even lower profile than his peers. <br /> ===Caden Peck===<br /> ===Emily(?) and Unknown Female===<br /> ===Isabella Loretta Janke===<br /> Isabella was hired by Praetor to make the animated Chris-Chan Sonichu Introduction video, and had an unclear relationship with them going forward. According to Bella she cut ties with them early in 2021 but according to the [[Watchmen]], she was a prominent Praetor member up until at least June.<br /> <br /> ==The stun gun situation==<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, one of Praetor's members, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.&lt;ref name=td&gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> On 15 November, Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a stun gun.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/&lt;/ref&gt; Chris stated in February 2021 that he would be using the taser to stun his [[magic stones]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].&lt;ref&gt;[[February 2021 Watchmen leaks‎]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Audio of Praetor members and another voice that is alleged to be [[Watchmen#Bismuth|Naught/Bismuth]] of the Watchmen, also leaked.<br /> <br /> ==Involvement with the Watchmen and Isabella Loretta Janke===<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> <br /> ==Gallery==<br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|The Etsy [[medallion]] in question<br /> File:praetor cart.jpg|What do they plan to do with [[Captain's Log|that taser]]? <br /> File:Tinyhorse02.png|Look at that shit-eating grin.<br /> File:Praetor3.jpg|Note the graying and bald spot in his [[hair]].<br /> File:Praetor4.jpg|Chris with Owen.<br /> File:Praetor5.jpg|Wearing a filthy shirt, [[medallion]], and [[magic stones]]. ‎ A cropped version of this image was distributed with the Greene County Sheriff's press release about Chris' arrest.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram]<br /> *[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{People}}<br /> {{Fantasies}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Praetor&diff=271462 2021-10-23T16:22:47Z

<p>SpookyBones: </p> <hr /> <div>[[File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|250px|thumb|Three of the Praetor members, pictured with Chris. Not pictured is fourth member owen_sundstrom.]]<br /> <br /> '''Praetor''' is a group of [[enablers]] who sell Sonichu-themed products on Chris's behalf. In [[October 2020]], photos were discovered of the group posing with Chris on [[Instagram]]. As of yet, how their relationship with Chris began is unknown. On 8 November 2020, Chris uploaded [[Sonichu's Update on the Dimension Merge and Sermon - October, 2020|a sermon]] that he delivered to them.<br /> <br /> Praetor is &quot;officially partnered&quot; with Chris, and on 11 December 2020, Chris advertised for their Etsy shop, linking to medallions produced by the group, mentioning he would get a cut of the profits in exchange.&lt;ref&gt;[[December 2020 social media posts#Praetor sells medallions]]&lt;/ref&gt; The account on Etsy is also named Praetor, and they are the owner of OfficialCWCmart. As of 15 December, they have sold 151 medallions, and are considered a bestseller.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.etsy.com/listing/904683630/official-chris-chan-sonichu-medallion&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> Praetor was revealed in the fallout of the [[incest|Merge]] to be made up of students from Goochland High School in <br /> <br /> {{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the &quot;Chris Chan Style.&quot; Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}<br /> <br /> ==Members==<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> ===Annie (Annabel Marie Ikenberry)===<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> ''Annie Ikenberry'' (''annirenee'') is an 18-year old OnlyFans camgirl and the primary female &quot;bait&quot; used by the Praetors to attract Chris.<br /> ===Owen Sundstrom===<br /> ''Owen Sundstrom'', the only male member and together with Annie the only Chris weens yet documented who could be considered attractive, seems to have been the leader at least in terms of their business ventures but keeps an even lower profile than his peers. <br /> ===Caden Peck===<br /> ===Emily(?) and Unknown Female===<br /> ===Isabella Loretta Janke===<br /> Isabella was hired by Praetor to make the animated Chris-Chan Sonichu Introduction video, and had an unclear relationship with them going forward. According to Bella she cut ties with them early in 2021 but according to the [[Watchmen]], she was a prominent Praetor member up until at least June.<br /> <br /> ==The stun gun situation==<br /> {{incomplete}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, one of Praetor's members, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.&lt;ref name=td&gt;[[Taser Discussion]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> On 15 November, Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a stun gun.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/&lt;/ref&gt; Chris stated in February 2021 that he would be using the taser to stun his [[magic stones]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].&lt;ref&gt;[[February 2021 Watchmen leaks‎]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Gallery==<br /> &lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|The Etsy [[medallion]] in question<br /> File:praetor cart.jpg|What do they plan to do with [[Captain's Log|that taser]]? <br /> File:Tinyhorse02.png|Look at that shit-eating grin.<br /> File:Praetor3.jpg|Note the graying and bald spot in his [[hair]].<br /> File:Praetor4.jpg|Chris with Owen.<br /> File:Praetor5.jpg|Wearing a filthy shirt, [[medallion]], and [[magic stones]]. ‎ A cropped version of this image was distributed with the Greene County Sheriff's press release about Chris' arrest.<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;&lt;/center&gt;<br /> <br /> ==External links==<br /> *[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram]<br /> *[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{People}}<br /> {{Fantasies}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=File:Ethan_oliver_ralph_gunt.jpg&diff=271456 2021-10-23T16:03:34Z

<p>SpookyBones: The infamous &quot;gunt pic&quot;</p> <hr /> <div>== Summary ==<br /> The infamous &quot;gunt pic&quot;</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=File:Cro-magnon_looking_ween.png&diff=271454 2021-10-23T15:51:29Z

<p>SpookyBones: Dylon James Winfield (&quot;Winfield Winfield&quot;)</p> <hr /> <div>== Summary ==<br /> Dylon James Winfield (&quot;Winfield Winfield&quot;)</div>

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SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271441 2021-10-23T15:01:32Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* More on minor members, not less */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == More on minor members, not less ==<br /> <br /> I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. Regrettably I don't (yet) have real names to put to Kyle, Anaxis, etc. but this stuff has a way of eventually getting revealed.<br /> <br /> Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

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<p>SpookyBones: /* Klop */</p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|You brought so much fucking [[Laughs Under Lucricities|joy]] to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Bismuth, one of the Watchmen, to Chris.&lt;ref&gt;[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Watchmen.jpg|thumb|The [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|accumulated]] [[Unholy Tetrad|filth]] of their [[trolls]] and [[weening]] will foam up about their waists and all the [[Dimensional Merge|Merge-deniers]] and [[A-log|A-logs]] will look up and shout &quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]]&quot; ...And I'll look down, and whisper &quot;[[THAT IS MY HOUSE|I'm workin' on it.]]&quot;]]<br /> <br /> The '''Watchmen''' were a group of fanatical [[enablers]] whose members served as gatekeepers and [[white knights]] for [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], in a similar manner as their predecessors, the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to keep away malicious individuals trying to troll or scam Chris, and as such wound up in conflict with [[Sockness]], [[Praetor]] and various other members of the rogue's gallery of the CWC universe. The group had a few iterations but with Chris currently jailed for [[incest]] their purpose has become moot. Furthermore, unfortunately, some of the problems were coming from within their own house, namely [[Sean Walker]], who with the Watchmen mainly used the names ''Conner'' and ''neko''. As is now well-known Sean was involved in some truly depraved activities with Chris and [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. Sean was able to effectively wrest control of Chris from the rest of the Watchmen, and use said control to found his own enabling group, the [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|Knights of CWC]].<br /> <br /> As a faction, the Watchmen were instrumental in numerous events over the course of late [[2019]] onwards, such as attempting to dismantle [[Jacob Sockness]]’s influence over Chris and drive him off. They also shut down the Arbitarch CWC Alliance Discord server when the true intent of the server was revealed. Chris had contact with the Watchmen, including [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|chatting with them]] on [[Discord Q&amp;A 4|Google Hangouts]] and over [[Discord]]. The Watchmen were also behind the [[2020 Discord leaks|Discord leaks in August 2020]], and the [[Discord Q&amp;A]]'s.<br /> <br /> Their approach was rather controversial, as they gained Chris's favor by means of [[Enablers|enabling]] his delusions by pretending to be fellow [[CPU]] goddesses and encouraging his beliefs in [[magical thinking]] and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. The Watchmen tracked and collected information on anyone involved with - or attempting to get involved with Chris, and had little to hesitation in regards to doing any potential [[weens]], [[trolls]], and [[A-Log|A-logs]].<br /> <br /> While they shared a name with the 1986/1987 DC Comics limited series by Alan Moore, David Gibbons, and John Higgins, the 2009 film adaptation (which is [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|not that long of a movie]], according to [[Emily]] and [[The Man in the Pickle Suit]]), the 2019 HBO series, and the various comic book spin-offs, the Watchmen apparently did not take inspiration from the franchise, in contrast to how [[The Miscreants]] modeled themselves after the Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''.<br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> What eventually became the Watchmen group had its roots in the CWC Rebellion Discord server. There, Owls met Meghan (aka MKRNightVee), and Talia (whom Owls described as &quot;a person exploiting and egging MKR on to talk to Chris&quot;).&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1257#post-7343340 (Archive: https://archive.fo/06IZx)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Meghan got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/&lt;/ref&gt; Owls tried to coach Meghan&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl5-png.644835/&lt;/ref&gt; and avoid problems, though he admits he didn't do well at it.&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> After Meghan had been in contact with Chris for some time, Owls came up with the idea to try to [[manipulate]] Chris's beliefs away from the [[Dimensional Merge]] through telling him that the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] had relocated to Earth. Meghan recruited her friends to role-play as CPUs to Chris over Discord; Owls acted as a gatekeeper between MKR's friends and Chris.&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> {{quote|time passed talking with Meghan for about a month or so there came an idea from me in the most autistic way possible &quot;convince Chris that merge wasn't happening and that CPU had decided to be on earth and act like normal people in society&quot;. foolishly believing this would work Meghan gathered some people from different servers she said we could trust and we made a server. this idea failed and when the first person decided to brag about it on a different discord I shut down the idea.|Owls&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> According to Bismuth, Owls acted as liaison between the CPU group and [[Marvin]] of the [[Guard Dogs]] group (the latter also being gatekeepers to Chris at the time) but Bismuth claimed that Owls wasn't reporting back to Marvin. Owls later left the group.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Major Players==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> [[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]<br /> '''Bismuth''' was the second leader of the Watchmen, taking over the group after Owls left.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; He monitored and doxed potential weens or outside enablers. He went by many usernames - he used &quot;Bismuth&quot; to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including &quot;Naught&quot;, &quot;anameisaname&quot;, &quot;death of chans&quot;, and &quot;Nightmare&quot;&lt;ref name=naug htthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; - he was eventually banned from the forum for use of multiple sockpuppet accounts, advertising, and liking his own posts with sock accounts.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/corbindallasmultipass-memorial-thread.30974/post-9227018&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[June 2021]], conflict arose between Bismuth and fellow Watchman [[Sean Walker|The WCT]], stemming from an allegation Bismuth had doxed the latter.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Following a Lolcow.org thread on the ex-member of the group, an audio voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; suggested that Chris sided against Bismuth in the dispute.<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> [[File:BiggusDorkus.png|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> {{Main|Sean Walker}}<br /> <br /> '''Sean Walker''', primarily known in the context of the Watchmen as '''Conner''' or '''neko''', or in the broader Internet as '''the WCT''', archived calls involving Chris and occasionally gave interviews to observers. In February 2021, he attempted to become the fourth person behind the role of Lainchu but Chris rejected his attempt. He was instrumental in the eventual downfall of the Watchmen, admitting in private that he had been &quot;working with Former Kiwi Farmers to bring down the Watchmen&quot; out of a personal dislike of Bismuth, which led to a cascade of events in which multiple people were doxxed and Chris left the Watchmen's server.&lt;ref name=&quot;WCTThread&gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sean-walker-psychic-espeon-wct-wildcat-neko.97689 Sean Walker / @Psychic Espeon / Lainchu / WCT / WildCat / Neko (etc.) - Self-described &quot;Final Protagonist of Christory&quot;, spree-killer fanboy, connected to Bellagate]&lt;/ref&gt; He would go on to found [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|The Knights of CWC]], a Watchmen splinter group, while manipulating Chris into following him to a new Discord, where eventually [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] would appear. After Chris's arrest for [[incest]], Sean reached out to Bella again, who was able to manipulate Sean into attempting to shift blame from Isabella to the [[Everfree Suitress]]. Eventually Sean's internet footprint was discovered to be exceedigly disturbing and to include the introduction of Chris to spree-killer Randy Stair, a seriously depraved individual who's belief system regarding cartoons and alternative universes bears more than a passing relationship with Chris's.<br /> <br /> ===MKRNightVee===<br /> [[Image:MeghanRingo.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Meghan]]<br /> [[File:MKR enabling.png|200px|thumb|right||Meghan enabling Chris's delusional thoughts.]]<br /> {{quote|I am a [[CPU]], that means I am directly on the same level of godhood as [[Chris]]tine.|Meghan, replying to [[Sarah and Steve]] questioning if she really follows Chris's beliefs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://archive.md/lj64i Archive of 7 Nov 2019 tweet chain]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Nothing lasts forever, especially not any group protecting Chris-chan.|Meghan, reflecting after her March 2021 ragequit.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> '''Meghan Kathleen Ringo''' (born 24 April 1992), also known under the aliases '''MKRNightVee''', '''CPUMagentaHeart''' and '''thepixietailartist''', and sometimes referred to as '''Maker''' by Chris, appeared in early [[2019]]. She got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up Chris's phone number for her.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; She presented herself to Chris as being the [[CPU]] goddess of the [[Nintendo Switch]], offering him validation on his fantasies of having magic powers.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454/&lt;/ref&gt; She has stated that her goal isn't to feed into Chris's delusions so much as to offer advice and help.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR motives.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Chris offered her several of his possessions in his [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|Last Will and Testament]].<br /> <br /> She set up a Discord group for Chris, telling her friends to role-play as [[CPU]] goddesses to gain Chris's trust, while also instituting a no-trolling rule.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR Discord Rules.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> During the [[TF2 Analysis|TF2 Analysis saga]], she created an alt Twitter account named [[Creamarina]] and shared it with Chris to enable him to evade blocks.&lt;ref&gt;[[Misc texts#Creamarina]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> During the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in which Sockness attempted to manipulate Chris into a sexual relationship, Meghan saw the potential danger in Sockness's activities, and steered Chris away from him during summer 2019; Sockness, who at the time was engaging in a full-scale war against Chris's enablers, followers and critics alike, considered MKR to be a notable enemy of his, and apparently abused her verbally on Twitter as his second dramatic cycle approached its climax in early [[November 2019|November]]. She, as well as Aqua, largely mitigated Sockness's influence over Chris, though Chris was still willing to listen to Sockness.<br /> [[File:mkrragequit.png|200px|thumb|left|Meghan ragequits in March 2021.]]<br /> In March 2021, MKR temporarily gave up on helping Chris when she learned that he was planning on [[Taser Discussion|playing with a taser]] with his new friend group [[Praetor]], sending an angry Tweet directed towards him which expressed her disdain, before deleting her Twitter account a few days later.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt; However, she reactivated her account, and tweeted again to Chris in April, replying to Chris tagging her to show her a gif file,&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380732044951515137 (archive: https://archive.fo/fL8wZ)&lt;/ref&gt; and later to reply to another of Chris's tweets in order to call [[Other enablers#Helena Fiorenza|one of his enablers]] a faggot.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380756077864620033 (archive: https://archive.fo/Ybm8P)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In June 2021, internal conflict arose among Watchmen members over Bismuth allegedly doxing The WCT which resulted in the group separating. Meghan had sided with Bismuth and Chris against, leading to Chris distancing himself from Meghan in the fallout. On 29 June, Meghan tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She followed up by tweeting that she regretted having spent her time drawing art for Chris and accused him of being unappreciative of it.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1411511053872025605 (archive: https://archive.fo/8WSOI)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===AquaDiamond8===<br /> {{quote|Christine...Please stop this, Mewtwo is not real, the [[merge]] is not happening, you need serious help. If you need help there are people to help you with these delusions. This is incredibly unhealthy for you.|AquaDiamond8, March 2019&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/50xPX&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Still i dont want &lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt;[[Jacob Sockness]]&lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt; attacking my people when the merge happens, Christine has said there will be no more war or need for violence in the merge, my Sapphire has forseen this |AquaDiamond8 changes her tune, November 2019.&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.ph/0bMDM&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Magi-Chan and AquaDiamond8.jpg|AquaDiamond8 and Magi-Chan. Drawn by Aqua November 2019.|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> '''AquaDiamond8''' is a Twitter user who has bounced from being a [[ween]],&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-988#post-4495303&lt;/ref&gt; to a [[white knight]], to an enabler and Watchman. In November 2019, during the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in hopes to lure Chris away from Sockness, Aqua joined the Watchmen and embraced Chris's delusional beliefs, changing her Twitter handle to '''CPU Goddess Aqua of the Mac Book Pro'''. Later, Aqua began drawing fanart of her [[OC]] interacting with [[Magi-Chan]].&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/lGets&lt;/ref&gt; She then posted a Pokémon drawing, claiming it to be an alt-dimension Magi-Chan:&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/ETlxV&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[September 2020]], Aqua confirmed in the comments of a Dillin Thomas video that they were no longer a part of the Watchmen.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|in all honesty at first i genuinly wanted to help chris but after the incident with Wendy i wanted to make things better, and try to help him, and as someone with autism, and who has family that acts like chris, i knew how dificult it is to get them to beleive certain things. I guess going along with it and pretending to be a goddess was better than letting her be on her own and let someone else take advantage of her.<br /> <br /> Note that i never wanted anything from Chris, and did want to help, and despite what Dillin says about MKR or some of the &quot;enamblers, not all of them are bad, MKR is the nicest person i know and i know that she truely does care for Chris. <br /> <br /> I wanted to to help them with keeping sockness away from Chris and though it took some time ive seen chris is no longer taking his crap serious. I do keep up to date whats been going on, but i dont interact.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_ElSwC1Xo&amp;lc=Ugw4uQfLu00i10Lrjq14AaABAg.9DSJjEeQ6nb9DSfhyTd-Ra (Archive https://archive.md/oob08)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Owls===<br /> [[File:Ryan Owls.png|thumb|200px|left|Ryan.]]<br /> The original founder of the organization is one '''Ryan Winger''', a/k/a '''Owls''' to the other Watchmen, as '''GhostBird50''' on the [[Kiwi Farms]],&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and as '''CpuTurquoiseHeart''' to Chris,&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;[[:File:Naught origin clarify 1.png]] amd [[:File:Naught origin clarify 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Initially, Ryan advised MKRNightVee in interacting with Chris and founded the Watchmen's Discord server. Ryan also acted as a liaison between Watchmen and [[Guard Dogs]] member Marvin, though fellow Watchman Bismuth alleged that he hadn't been reporting back to Marvin.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Ryan eventually left the group, stating he wanted no more part in Chris's situation or in Internet drama, and was succeeded by Naught/Bismuth. This seems to have come when he got involved in a feud &lt;ref name=ryanfued&gt;[[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/]]&lt;/ref&gt; with several other obscure Chris orbiters.<br /> [[File:Ghostbird_kiwistatus.png|thumb|200px|right|Ryan, as Kiwi '''Ghostbird50''', states his desire to move on from Chris.]]<br /> <br /> ==Minor Players==<br /> <br /> ===Kyle===<br /> A seemingly minor and or less active member of the Watchmen. '''Kyle''' publicly appeared only in the [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|Google Hangout chats]]. Kyle was also apparently the inspiration for Chris's [[:File:KylechuOC.jpg|Kylechu]] OC. More worryingly, and in an echo of some of the revelations about both [[Isabella Loretta Janke|Isabella]], who allegedly wanted to induce Chris's suicide, and Sean, who introduced Chris to [[Randy Stair]], a murderer who committed suicide, Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> <br /> ===Klop===<br /> Additionally notable for being the former administrator of the CWCki Discord, a venue which forbids interaction with Chris on pain of a permaban, as well as an [[User:Klop|editor of this very wiki]], '''klop''' was involved with a considerable amount of interaction with Chris, most notably playing the [[Watchmen#The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Char|Lainchu]] character, as well as being a member/associate of the original Watchmen, albeit one without the prominence of those people listed above. Unlike most of the other minor players. he does not seem to have followed Sean into the Knights schism.<br /> <br /> ===Anaxis===<br /> Also a [[User:Anaxis|CWCki editor]], '''Anaxis''' was a seemingly bit player both in the original Watchmen and in Sean's splinter group, showing up in logs with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and with Sean. For unknown reasons, attempts were made to conceal the involvement of Anaxis with these groups on this Wiki.<br /> <br /> ==The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character==<br /> [[File:Lainchu.jpg|thumb|200px|Lainchu, as drawn by MKRNightVee.]]<br /> <br /> '''Lainchu''', also known as '''Lainchu the Chronicler''', is an OC created by Chris, whose purpose is to document Chris's activities (and unofficially, to provide Christorians with first hand information), based on the protagonist of the [[anime]], ''[[Wikipedia:Serial Experiments Lain|Serial Experiments Lain]]'', in which a teenage girl finds herself engaging with a virtual world network, reminiscent of the [[internet]].<br /> <br /> Four Watchmen had taken up the responsibility to [[Role-play|larp]] as Lainchu; <br /> <br /> *'''Bismuth''', who originally had the role&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *'''Klop''', who took over in 7 [[August 2020]] until late August<br /> *'''Anaxis''', who served as Lainchu from late August to mid [[February 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and again in March 2021, after Chris responded poorly to the role-playing of Sean (see below) who could only maintain his attention for about a month.<br /> *'''Sean Walker''' from mid February 2021 to [[March 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-02-20 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, who Chris rejected in the role.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Lainchu was, indirectly, the source of considerable controversy on the Kiwi Farms&lt;ref=htlsock&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/&lt;/ref&gt; after an [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|administrator of this very Wiki]] used a sock account to modify this page, redacting the name '''Anaxis''' for unclear reasons, which lead to the revelation that said admin, along with the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], were present in Discords involving the Watchmen and [[Sean Walker]]'s splinter group, the &quot;Knights of CWC&quot;.<br /> <br /> ==Discord Servers==<br /> The Watchmen were in various [[Discord]] servers.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> From before the Watchmen had fully come out to the public, the server was eventually shut down. <br /> <br /> ===The Place===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Place.png|thumb|200px|The Place server.]]<br /> <br /> The Place is the server Chris was in from 2020-June 2021. In [[August 2020]], the Watchmen announced the presence of the group publicly via the [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|2020 Discord leaks]]. It was during this time the Watchmen name was adopted to describe the group.<br /> <br /> Signs of the group collapsing began appearing around late [[June 2021]]. Earlier in the month, The WCT had been doxed on [[Kiwi Farms]] by an account named Nightmare, and signs pointed to fellow Watchman and group leader Bismuth as the person behind the account.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/anameisaname-bismuth-anon-llc-naught-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-nightmare-tardwarsllc-heart-cpu-bismuth-heart.724/ (archive: https://archive.fo/G30td)&lt;/ref&gt; When The WCT confronted Bismuth in a voice chat during the group’s movie night on 21 June, Bismuth denied the allegation, then threatened to further dox The WCT in an attempt to silence him. Kyle and MKRNightVee took Bismuth’s side in the dispute.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3hYztxRHRA &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 25 June, The WCT informed Chris about the infighting. He showed Chris screenshots of Nightmare's Kiwi Farms posts and the voice chat in which he had confronted the group over Bismuth being Nightmare. According to The WCT, Chris gradually processed the information, in particular picking up on red flags from Bismuth in the chat - noticing his defensiveness and hostility towards The WCT. Ultimately, Chris believed The WCT's evidence and apparently cut ties with Bismuth over it.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt; A leaked voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; was posted to a Lolcow.org thread made about Bismuth the following day.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Kyle banned The WCT from the Watchmen's [[Discord]] server. In response, Chris then decided to leave their server. As The WCT explained, &quot;he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.&quot; The [[Praetor]] group, who had also been in the server, left it as well following Chris's departure.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 29 June, MKRNightVee made multiple tweets that suggested Chris had cut communications with her. She tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She then followed up with accusations against The WCT, believing him to be messing with Chris and having sinister motives.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410103600932548609 (archive: https://archive.md/UKGom)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Knights of CWC===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Knights of CWC.png|450px|left|The Knights of CWC server.]] <br /> <br /> '''The Knights of CWC''' was a schismatic group founded in late June of 2021 by [[Sean Walker]] following his fallout with Bismuth/Naught over the latter's doxing of the former leading to bad blood between the two of them and between Sean and MKR. The disagreement seems to have been of a personal nature, and related to these two individuals leaking embarrassing material on one another both publicly, and privately to Chris, with Sean eventually being able to win over Chris and convince him that MKR and Sean were [[Nazis]], using a recording from their Discord. Sean was able to take several members with him including '''Anaxis''' and a few hangers-on.<br /> <br /> [[File:WCT on Knights of CWC server.png|thumb|450px|right]] Also notable were disagreements between the leaders of the two groups on how best to handle [[Isabella Loretta Janke]], then thought to be a leader of [[Praetor]]&lt;ref name=foolpraetor&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27912&lt;/ref&gt;. According to '''The Fool''', a longtime but now-banned [[Kiwi Farms]] user and lesser-known affiliate of the Watchmen and then the Knights, the conflict originated with Naught and MKR's desire to chase Bella away, and Sean's desire to develop a closer relationship with her, allegedly in order to better protect Chris against potential exploitation, but, it would eventually be revealed in the fallout of [[incest|the Merge]], he may have had far more sinister motives.<br /> <br /> [[File:Sean_bella_allen.png|640px|left|Sean meets with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and Allen Owubu, one of her orbiters, on the Knights of CWC Discord server.]] It was on the Knights server that Sean and others made their first contact with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]], in which they discuss Chris, the Kiwi Farms, with Sean attempting to insinuate (falsely) that he had inside access to [[Null]] and other prominent users, and later asking Bella to assist him in doxing Naught, calling him an &quot;evil man.&quot; Not long thereafter, Chris would be s arrested for incest and the &quot;Mothergate&quot; scandal spread far and wide, exposing the depravity of both Isabella and Sean, as well as casting light on various dark corners of what Sean called &quot;the CWC sphere&quot;, leading to much of the content now in this article.<br /> <br /> ==Interviews==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Bismuth through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Bismuth's responses color-coded white.<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Q&amp;A|The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.<br /> <br /> After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}<br /> <br /> The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Stress and people @ her on Twitter<br /> <br /> Her and mkr are still frens}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 1.png]][[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}}}<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> {{Protip|Given the complicated history with WCT, it's possible that at least some of his claims here are not completely TRUE or HONEST. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.}}<br /> The WCT was interviewed over Discord about the Watchmen breakup on 11 July 2021. The WCT's messages are in blue and the interviewer's in green.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Hi. Someone told me you’re The WCT. If it’s okay with you, I’d like to ask you some questions about the Watchmen breakup for the Cwcki.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|hi there.<br /> <br /> and yes, by all means ask said questions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|The initial conflict seems to be between you and Bismuth, that Bismuth doxed you. How did it grow to break up the Watchmen group?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|After I concluded that it was Bismuth that was responsible for the doxing, I made the choice to contact MKRNightVee (or Meghan some of you know her as) and I showed her a lot of screenshots in DMs that compared the typing style of his old Kiwi Farms accounts to one that he used to dox me. (which was Nightmare)<br /> <br /> I recall telling her that I was 90 percent sure that it was him.<br /> <br /> But in spite of the evidence that I had presented to her at the time, she didn't believe me. And during our VC on June 21st, She and Kyle were still not convinced.<br /> <br /> They originally thought it was somebody who I angered in the past, but knowing what the Nightmare account was up to at the time, I knew that it was him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris learn of the dispute?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Not long after the VC, I decided that I would contact him myself.<br /> <br /> So with the help of a Former Watchmen who had his phone number, I was able to get in contact with him on June 25th.<br /> <br /> And there, I had an hour and 40 minute talk with him that first started off as any conversation I'd usually have with him until I was comfortable enough to tell him the details.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did you show Chris the same evidence that you did to MKRNightVee?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|When I was talking with MKR, I didn't show her as much evidence at the time since the Investigation was still ongoing. And compared to what I shared with Chris, I shared less with MKR.<br /> <br /> Not because I didn't trust her, but it was because there was not enough information available at the time. And what I ended up showing Chris was a combination of the Kiwi Farms posts and the VC that I had with the rest of the group.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris react to it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|It took Chris a while to process it.<br /> <br /> With each screenshot, he began to believe that my claims were true. And when we were both going over the VC, he noticed how Bismuth was getting really defensive and thought that he was clearly lying to me. <br /> <br /> Especially when I told Bismuth that Josh (Null) claimed to me that him and Nightmare were the same person.<br /> And that 3-4 seconds of silence on his part was something that helped convince Chris that I was in the right.<br /> <br /> He also noticed how hostile Bismuth was getting towards me as well, especially when I kept on asking him if he doxed me or not. Chris saw that as a red flag.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did Chris cut ties with Bismuth?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|From what I know, yes he did.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What happened between Chris and MKRNightVee? MKR’s recent tweets indicate they’ve had a falling out. Is it related to the Watchmen breakup?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes it is.<br /> <br /> Meghan was upset that Chris had sided with me in regards to what had happened.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How does Praetor fit in to this? MKRNightVee has said in a tweet that you’ve teamed up with them.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Praetor had nothing to do with what happened.<br /> <br /> Its just that when they got word from Chris that he had left the server, they followed. So it makes sense on MKR's part to accuse me of working with them because we all either got banned or left the place at the same time.<br /> <br /> It was a strange coincidence yes, but there is zero contact between me and Caden.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What server did Chris leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|The Watchmen's Place.<br /> <br /> as some of you might've heard of on the CWCki. - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Discord#The_Watchmen.27s_Place}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Why did he leave it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|when he got word that I got banned from the server (by Kyle that is), he saw it as a green light to leave it himself.<br /> <br /> So essentially he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Are you still in contact with Chris?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|at this moment in time, I'm not.<br /> <br /> We went our separate ways not long after the Watchmen had broken up and I believe that its for the best for both me and him.<br /> <br /> And rather or not if he wants to be in touch with me still is completely up to him, but I won't be too surprised if he had already moved on at this point, and I respect whatever path he goes on moving forward.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Forgot to ask earlier, but what was your motivation for informing Chris of the conflict between you and Bismuth/MKR/Kyle?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I was running out of options on what to do. When MKR and Kyle didn't believe my claims, I felt that I had no choice but to inform Chris on what had happened.<br /> <br /> It was a very risky move on my part to do that, but I don't regret telling him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|That’s all the questions I have. Thank you for answering. Is there anything else you would like to add?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I just want to let people know that Chris is now a free man with nobody to dictate his actions. And for his sake, it needs to remain that way.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Thanks again. I'll look to getting this conversation to the CWCki. Do you want your username/avatar censored?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screencaps|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:The WCT interview1.png<br /> File:The WCT interview2.png<br /> File:The WCT interview3.png<br /> File:The WCT interview4.png<br /> File:The WCT interview5.png<br /> File:The WCT interview6.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[CWCProtectSquad]]<br /> *[[Guard Dogs]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Fantasies}}<br /> {{People}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&diff=271439 2021-10-23T14:59:02Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* Kyle */</p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|You brought so much fucking [[Laughs Under Lucricities|joy]] to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Bismuth, one of the Watchmen, to Chris.&lt;ref&gt;[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Watchmen.jpg|thumb|The [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|accumulated]] [[Unholy Tetrad|filth]] of their [[trolls]] and [[weening]] will foam up about their waists and all the [[Dimensional Merge|Merge-deniers]] and [[A-log|A-logs]] will look up and shout &quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]]&quot; ...And I'll look down, and whisper &quot;[[THAT IS MY HOUSE|I'm workin' on it.]]&quot;]]<br /> <br /> The '''Watchmen''' were a group of fanatical [[enablers]] whose members served as gatekeepers and [[white knights]] for [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], in a similar manner as their predecessors, the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to keep away malicious individuals trying to troll or scam Chris, and as such wound up in conflict with [[Sockness]], [[Praetor]] and various other members of the rogue's gallery of the CWC universe. The group had a few iterations but with Chris currently jailed for [[incest]] their purpose has become moot. Furthermore, unfortunately, some of the problems were coming from within their own house, namely [[Sean Walker]], who with the Watchmen mainly used the names ''Conner'' and ''neko''. As is now well-known Sean was involved in some truly depraved activities with Chris and [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. Sean was able to effectively wrest control of Chris from the rest of the Watchmen, and use said control to found his own enabling group, the [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|Knights of CWC]].<br /> <br /> As a faction, the Watchmen were instrumental in numerous events over the course of late [[2019]] onwards, such as attempting to dismantle [[Jacob Sockness]]’s influence over Chris and drive him off. They also shut down the Arbitarch CWC Alliance Discord server when the true intent of the server was revealed. Chris had contact with the Watchmen, including [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|chatting with them]] on [[Discord Q&amp;A 4|Google Hangouts]] and over [[Discord]]. The Watchmen were also behind the [[2020 Discord leaks|Discord leaks in August 2020]], and the [[Discord Q&amp;A]]'s.<br /> <br /> Their approach was rather controversial, as they gained Chris's favor by means of [[Enablers|enabling]] his delusions by pretending to be fellow [[CPU]] goddesses and encouraging his beliefs in [[magical thinking]] and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. The Watchmen tracked and collected information on anyone involved with - or attempting to get involved with Chris, and had little to hesitation in regards to doing any potential [[weens]], [[trolls]], and [[A-Log|A-logs]].<br /> <br /> While they shared a name with the 1986/1987 DC Comics limited series by Alan Moore, David Gibbons, and John Higgins, the 2009 film adaptation (which is [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|not that long of a movie]], according to [[Emily]] and [[The Man in the Pickle Suit]]), the 2019 HBO series, and the various comic book spin-offs, the Watchmen apparently did not take inspiration from the franchise, in contrast to how [[The Miscreants]] modeled themselves after the Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''.<br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> What eventually became the Watchmen group had its roots in the CWC Rebellion Discord server. There, Owls met Meghan (aka MKRNightVee), and Talia (whom Owls described as &quot;a person exploiting and egging MKR on to talk to Chris&quot;).&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1257#post-7343340 (Archive: https://archive.fo/06IZx)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Meghan got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/&lt;/ref&gt; Owls tried to coach Meghan&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl5-png.644835/&lt;/ref&gt; and avoid problems, though he admits he didn't do well at it.&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> After Meghan had been in contact with Chris for some time, Owls came up with the idea to try to [[manipulate]] Chris's beliefs away from the [[Dimensional Merge]] through telling him that the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] had relocated to Earth. Meghan recruited her friends to role-play as CPUs to Chris over Discord; Owls acted as a gatekeeper between MKR's friends and Chris.&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> {{quote|time passed talking with Meghan for about a month or so there came an idea from me in the most autistic way possible &quot;convince Chris that merge wasn't happening and that CPU had decided to be on earth and act like normal people in society&quot;. foolishly believing this would work Meghan gathered some people from different servers she said we could trust and we made a server. this idea failed and when the first person decided to brag about it on a different discord I shut down the idea.|Owls&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> According to Bismuth, Owls acted as liaison between the CPU group and [[Marvin]] of the [[Guard Dogs]] group (the latter also being gatekeepers to Chris at the time) but Bismuth claimed that Owls wasn't reporting back to Marvin. Owls later left the group.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Major Players==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> [[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]<br /> '''Bismuth''' was the second leader of the Watchmen, taking over the group after Owls left.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; He monitored and doxed potential weens or outside enablers. He went by many usernames - he used &quot;Bismuth&quot; to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including &quot;Naught&quot;, &quot;anameisaname&quot;, &quot;death of chans&quot;, and &quot;Nightmare&quot;&lt;ref name=naug htthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; - he was eventually banned from the forum for use of multiple sockpuppet accounts, advertising, and liking his own posts with sock accounts.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/corbindallasmultipass-memorial-thread.30974/post-9227018&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[June 2021]], conflict arose between Bismuth and fellow Watchman [[Sean Walker|The WCT]], stemming from an allegation Bismuth had doxed the latter.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Following a Lolcow.org thread on the ex-member of the group, an audio voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; suggested that Chris sided against Bismuth in the dispute.<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> [[File:BiggusDorkus.png|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> {{Main|Sean Walker}}<br /> <br /> '''Sean Walker''', primarily known in the context of the Watchmen as '''Conner''' or '''neko''', or in the broader Internet as '''the WCT''', archived calls involving Chris and occasionally gave interviews to observers. In February 2021, he attempted to become the fourth person behind the role of Lainchu but Chris rejected his attempt. He was instrumental in the eventual downfall of the Watchmen, admitting in private that he had been &quot;working with Former Kiwi Farmers to bring down the Watchmen&quot; out of a personal dislike of Bismuth, which led to a cascade of events in which multiple people were doxxed and Chris left the Watchmen's server.&lt;ref name=&quot;WCTThread&gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sean-walker-psychic-espeon-wct-wildcat-neko.97689 Sean Walker / @Psychic Espeon / Lainchu / WCT / WildCat / Neko (etc.) - Self-described &quot;Final Protagonist of Christory&quot;, spree-killer fanboy, connected to Bellagate]&lt;/ref&gt; He would go on to found [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|The Knights of CWC]], a Watchmen splinter group, while manipulating Chris into following him to a new Discord, where eventually [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] would appear. After Chris's arrest for [[incest]], Sean reached out to Bella again, who was able to manipulate Sean into attempting to shift blame from Isabella to the [[Everfree Suitress]]. Eventually Sean's internet footprint was discovered to be exceedigly disturbing and to include the introduction of Chris to spree-killer Randy Stair, a seriously depraved individual who's belief system regarding cartoons and alternative universes bears more than a passing relationship with Chris's.<br /> <br /> ===MKRNightVee===<br /> [[Image:MeghanRingo.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Meghan]]<br /> [[File:MKR enabling.png|200px|thumb|right||Meghan enabling Chris's delusional thoughts.]]<br /> {{quote|I am a [[CPU]], that means I am directly on the same level of godhood as [[Chris]]tine.|Meghan, replying to [[Sarah and Steve]] questioning if she really follows Chris's beliefs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://archive.md/lj64i Archive of 7 Nov 2019 tweet chain]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Nothing lasts forever, especially not any group protecting Chris-chan.|Meghan, reflecting after her March 2021 ragequit.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> '''Meghan Kathleen Ringo''' (born 24 April 1992), also known under the aliases '''MKRNightVee''', '''CPUMagentaHeart''' and '''thepixietailartist''', and sometimes referred to as '''Maker''' by Chris, appeared in early [[2019]]. She got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up Chris's phone number for her.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; She presented herself to Chris as being the [[CPU]] goddess of the [[Nintendo Switch]], offering him validation on his fantasies of having magic powers.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454/&lt;/ref&gt; She has stated that her goal isn't to feed into Chris's delusions so much as to offer advice and help.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR motives.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Chris offered her several of his possessions in his [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|Last Will and Testament]].<br /> <br /> She set up a Discord group for Chris, telling her friends to role-play as [[CPU]] goddesses to gain Chris's trust, while also instituting a no-trolling rule.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR Discord Rules.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> During the [[TF2 Analysis|TF2 Analysis saga]], she created an alt Twitter account named [[Creamarina]] and shared it with Chris to enable him to evade blocks.&lt;ref&gt;[[Misc texts#Creamarina]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> During the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in which Sockness attempted to manipulate Chris into a sexual relationship, Meghan saw the potential danger in Sockness's activities, and steered Chris away from him during summer 2019; Sockness, who at the time was engaging in a full-scale war against Chris's enablers, followers and critics alike, considered MKR to be a notable enemy of his, and apparently abused her verbally on Twitter as his second dramatic cycle approached its climax in early [[November 2019|November]]. She, as well as Aqua, largely mitigated Sockness's influence over Chris, though Chris was still willing to listen to Sockness.<br /> [[File:mkrragequit.png|200px|thumb|left|Meghan ragequits in March 2021.]]<br /> In March 2021, MKR temporarily gave up on helping Chris when she learned that he was planning on [[Taser Discussion|playing with a taser]] with his new friend group [[Praetor]], sending an angry Tweet directed towards him which expressed her disdain, before deleting her Twitter account a few days later.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt; However, she reactivated her account, and tweeted again to Chris in April, replying to Chris tagging her to show her a gif file,&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380732044951515137 (archive: https://archive.fo/fL8wZ)&lt;/ref&gt; and later to reply to another of Chris's tweets in order to call [[Other enablers#Helena Fiorenza|one of his enablers]] a faggot.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380756077864620033 (archive: https://archive.fo/Ybm8P)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In June 2021, internal conflict arose among Watchmen members over Bismuth allegedly doxing The WCT which resulted in the group separating. Meghan had sided with Bismuth and Chris against, leading to Chris distancing himself from Meghan in the fallout. On 29 June, Meghan tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She followed up by tweeting that she regretted having spent her time drawing art for Chris and accused him of being unappreciative of it.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1411511053872025605 (archive: https://archive.fo/8WSOI)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===AquaDiamond8===<br /> {{quote|Christine...Please stop this, Mewtwo is not real, the [[merge]] is not happening, you need serious help. If you need help there are people to help you with these delusions. This is incredibly unhealthy for you.|AquaDiamond8, March 2019&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/50xPX&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Still i dont want &lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt;[[Jacob Sockness]]&lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt; attacking my people when the merge happens, Christine has said there will be no more war or need for violence in the merge, my Sapphire has forseen this |AquaDiamond8 changes her tune, November 2019.&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.ph/0bMDM&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Magi-Chan and AquaDiamond8.jpg|AquaDiamond8 and Magi-Chan. Drawn by Aqua November 2019.|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> '''AquaDiamond8''' is a Twitter user who has bounced from being a [[ween]],&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-988#post-4495303&lt;/ref&gt; to a [[white knight]], to an enabler and Watchman. In November 2019, during the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in hopes to lure Chris away from Sockness, Aqua joined the Watchmen and embraced Chris's delusional beliefs, changing her Twitter handle to '''CPU Goddess Aqua of the Mac Book Pro'''. Later, Aqua began drawing fanart of her [[OC]] interacting with [[Magi-Chan]].&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/lGets&lt;/ref&gt; She then posted a Pokémon drawing, claiming it to be an alt-dimension Magi-Chan:&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/ETlxV&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[September 2020]], Aqua confirmed in the comments of a Dillin Thomas video that they were no longer a part of the Watchmen.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|in all honesty at first i genuinly wanted to help chris but after the incident with Wendy i wanted to make things better, and try to help him, and as someone with autism, and who has family that acts like chris, i knew how dificult it is to get them to beleive certain things. I guess going along with it and pretending to be a goddess was better than letting her be on her own and let someone else take advantage of her.<br /> <br /> Note that i never wanted anything from Chris, and did want to help, and despite what Dillin says about MKR or some of the &quot;enamblers, not all of them are bad, MKR is the nicest person i know and i know that she truely does care for Chris. <br /> <br /> I wanted to to help them with keeping sockness away from Chris and though it took some time ive seen chris is no longer taking his crap serious. I do keep up to date whats been going on, but i dont interact.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_ElSwC1Xo&amp;lc=Ugw4uQfLu00i10Lrjq14AaABAg.9DSJjEeQ6nb9DSfhyTd-Ra (Archive https://archive.md/oob08)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Owls===<br /> [[File:Ryan Owls.png|thumb|200px|left|Ryan.]]<br /> The original founder of the organization is one '''Ryan Winger''', a/k/a '''Owls''' to the other Watchmen, as '''GhostBird50''' on the [[Kiwi Farms]],&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and as '''CpuTurquoiseHeart''' to Chris,&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;[[:File:Naught origin clarify 1.png]] amd [[:File:Naught origin clarify 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Initially, Ryan advised MKRNightVee in interacting with Chris and founded the Watchmen's Discord server. Ryan also acted as a liaison between Watchmen and [[Guard Dogs]] member Marvin, though fellow Watchman Bismuth alleged that he hadn't been reporting back to Marvin.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Ryan eventually left the group, stating he wanted no more part in Chris's situation or in Internet drama, and was succeeded by Naught/Bismuth. This seems to have come when he got involved in a feud &lt;ref name=ryanfued&gt;[[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/]]&lt;/ref&gt; with several other obscure Chris orbiters.<br /> [[File:Ghostbird_kiwistatus.png|thumb|200px|right|Ryan, as Kiwi '''Ghostbird50''', states his desire to move on from Chris.]]<br /> <br /> ==Minor Players==<br /> <br /> ===Kyle===<br /> A seemingly minor and or less active member of the Watchmen. '''Kyle''' publicly appeared only in the [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|Google Hangout chats]]. Kyle was also apparently the inspiration for Chris's [[:File:KylechuOC.jpg|Kylechu]] OC. More worryingly, and in an echo of some of the revelations about both [[Isabella Loretta Janke|Isabella]], who allegedly wanted to induce Chris's suicide, and Sean, who introduced Chris to [[Randy Stair]], a murderer who committed suicide, Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> <br /> ===Klop===<br /> Additionally notable for being the former administrator of the CWCki Discord, a venue which forbids interaction with Chris on pain of a permaban, as well as an [[User:Klop|editor of this very wiki]], '''klop''' was involved with playing the [[Watchmen#Lainchu]] character, as well as being a member/associate of the original Watchmen, albeit one without the prominence of those people listed above. Unlike most of the other minor players. he does not seem to have followed Sean into the Knights schism.<br /> <br /> ===Anaxis===<br /> Also a [[User:Anaxis|CWCki editor]], '''Anaxis''' was a seemingly bit player both in the original Watchmen and in Sean's splinter group, showing up in logs with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and with Sean. For unknown reasons, attempts were made to conceal the involvement of Anaxis with these groups on this Wiki.<br /> <br /> ==The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character==<br /> [[File:Lainchu.jpg|thumb|200px|Lainchu, as drawn by MKRNightVee.]]<br /> <br /> '''Lainchu''', also known as '''Lainchu the Chronicler''', is an OC created by Chris, whose purpose is to document Chris's activities (and unofficially, to provide Christorians with first hand information), based on the protagonist of the [[anime]], ''[[Wikipedia:Serial Experiments Lain|Serial Experiments Lain]]'', in which a teenage girl finds herself engaging with a virtual world network, reminiscent of the [[internet]].<br /> <br /> Four Watchmen had taken up the responsibility to [[Role-play|larp]] as Lainchu; <br /> <br /> *'''Bismuth''', who originally had the role&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *'''Klop''', who took over in 7 [[August 2020]] until late August<br /> *'''Anaxis''', who served as Lainchu from late August to mid [[February 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and again in March 2021, after Chris responded poorly to the role-playing of Sean (see below) who could only maintain his attention for about a month.<br /> *'''Sean Walker''' from mid February 2021 to [[March 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-02-20 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, who Chris rejected in the role.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Lainchu was, indirectly, the source of considerable controversy on the Kiwi Farms&lt;ref=htlsock&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/&lt;/ref&gt; after an [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|administrator of this very Wiki]] used a sock account to modify this page, redacting the name '''Anaxis''' for unclear reasons, which lead to the revelation that said admin, along with the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], were present in Discords involving the Watchmen and [[Sean Walker]]'s splinter group, the &quot;Knights of CWC&quot;.<br /> <br /> ==Discord Servers==<br /> The Watchmen were in various [[Discord]] servers.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> From before the Watchmen had fully come out to the public, the server was eventually shut down. <br /> <br /> ===The Place===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Place.png|thumb|200px|The Place server.]]<br /> <br /> The Place is the server Chris was in from 2020-June 2021. In [[August 2020]], the Watchmen announced the presence of the group publicly via the [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|2020 Discord leaks]]. It was during this time the Watchmen name was adopted to describe the group.<br /> <br /> Signs of the group collapsing began appearing around late [[June 2021]]. Earlier in the month, The WCT had been doxed on [[Kiwi Farms]] by an account named Nightmare, and signs pointed to fellow Watchman and group leader Bismuth as the person behind the account.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/anameisaname-bismuth-anon-llc-naught-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-nightmare-tardwarsllc-heart-cpu-bismuth-heart.724/ (archive: https://archive.fo/G30td)&lt;/ref&gt; When The WCT confronted Bismuth in a voice chat during the group’s movie night on 21 June, Bismuth denied the allegation, then threatened to further dox The WCT in an attempt to silence him. Kyle and MKRNightVee took Bismuth’s side in the dispute.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3hYztxRHRA &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 25 June, The WCT informed Chris about the infighting. He showed Chris screenshots of Nightmare's Kiwi Farms posts and the voice chat in which he had confronted the group over Bismuth being Nightmare. According to The WCT, Chris gradually processed the information, in particular picking up on red flags from Bismuth in the chat - noticing his defensiveness and hostility towards The WCT. Ultimately, Chris believed The WCT's evidence and apparently cut ties with Bismuth over it.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt; A leaked voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; was posted to a Lolcow.org thread made about Bismuth the following day.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Kyle banned The WCT from the Watchmen's [[Discord]] server. In response, Chris then decided to leave their server. As The WCT explained, &quot;he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.&quot; The [[Praetor]] group, who had also been in the server, left it as well following Chris's departure.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 29 June, MKRNightVee made multiple tweets that suggested Chris had cut communications with her. She tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She then followed up with accusations against The WCT, believing him to be messing with Chris and having sinister motives.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410103600932548609 (archive: https://archive.md/UKGom)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Knights of CWC===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Knights of CWC.png|450px|left|The Knights of CWC server.]] <br /> <br /> '''The Knights of CWC''' was a schismatic group founded in late June of 2021 by [[Sean Walker]] following his fallout with Bismuth/Naught over the latter's doxing of the former leading to bad blood between the two of them and between Sean and MKR. The disagreement seems to have been of a personal nature, and related to these two individuals leaking embarrassing material on one another both publicly, and privately to Chris, with Sean eventually being able to win over Chris and convince him that MKR and Sean were [[Nazis]], using a recording from their Discord. Sean was able to take several members with him including '''Anaxis''' and a few hangers-on.<br /> <br /> [[File:WCT on Knights of CWC server.png|thumb|450px|right]] Also notable were disagreements between the leaders of the two groups on how best to handle [[Isabella Loretta Janke]], then thought to be a leader of [[Praetor]]&lt;ref name=foolpraetor&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27912&lt;/ref&gt;. According to '''The Fool''', a longtime but now-banned [[Kiwi Farms]] user and lesser-known affiliate of the Watchmen and then the Knights, the conflict originated with Naught and MKR's desire to chase Bella away, and Sean's desire to develop a closer relationship with her, allegedly in order to better protect Chris against potential exploitation, but, it would eventually be revealed in the fallout of [[incest|the Merge]], he may have had far more sinister motives.<br /> <br /> [[File:Sean_bella_allen.png|640px|left|Sean meets with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and Allen Owubu, one of her orbiters, on the Knights of CWC Discord server.]] It was on the Knights server that Sean and others made their first contact with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]], in which they discuss Chris, the Kiwi Farms, with Sean attempting to insinuate (falsely) that he had inside access to [[Null]] and other prominent users, and later asking Bella to assist him in doxing Naught, calling him an &quot;evil man.&quot; Not long thereafter, Chris would be s arrested for incest and the &quot;Mothergate&quot; scandal spread far and wide, exposing the depravity of both Isabella and Sean, as well as casting light on various dark corners of what Sean called &quot;the CWC sphere&quot;, leading to much of the content now in this article.<br /> <br /> ==Interviews==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Bismuth through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Bismuth's responses color-coded white.<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Q&amp;A|The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.<br /> <br /> After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}<br /> <br /> The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Stress and people @ her on Twitter<br /> <br /> Her and mkr are still frens}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 1.png]][[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}}}<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> {{Protip|Given the complicated history with WCT, it's possible that at least some of his claims here are not completely TRUE or HONEST. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.}}<br /> The WCT was interviewed over Discord about the Watchmen breakup on 11 July 2021. The WCT's messages are in blue and the interviewer's in green.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Hi. Someone told me you’re The WCT. If it’s okay with you, I’d like to ask you some questions about the Watchmen breakup for the Cwcki.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|hi there.<br /> <br /> and yes, by all means ask said questions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|The initial conflict seems to be between you and Bismuth, that Bismuth doxed you. How did it grow to break up the Watchmen group?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|After I concluded that it was Bismuth that was responsible for the doxing, I made the choice to contact MKRNightVee (or Meghan some of you know her as) and I showed her a lot of screenshots in DMs that compared the typing style of his old Kiwi Farms accounts to one that he used to dox me. (which was Nightmare)<br /> <br /> I recall telling her that I was 90 percent sure that it was him.<br /> <br /> But in spite of the evidence that I had presented to her at the time, she didn't believe me. And during our VC on June 21st, She and Kyle were still not convinced.<br /> <br /> They originally thought it was somebody who I angered in the past, but knowing what the Nightmare account was up to at the time, I knew that it was him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris learn of the dispute?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Not long after the VC, I decided that I would contact him myself.<br /> <br /> So with the help of a Former Watchmen who had his phone number, I was able to get in contact with him on June 25th.<br /> <br /> And there, I had an hour and 40 minute talk with him that first started off as any conversation I'd usually have with him until I was comfortable enough to tell him the details.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did you show Chris the same evidence that you did to MKRNightVee?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|When I was talking with MKR, I didn't show her as much evidence at the time since the Investigation was still ongoing. And compared to what I shared with Chris, I shared less with MKR.<br /> <br /> Not because I didn't trust her, but it was because there was not enough information available at the time. And what I ended up showing Chris was a combination of the Kiwi Farms posts and the VC that I had with the rest of the group.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris react to it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|It took Chris a while to process it.<br /> <br /> With each screenshot, he began to believe that my claims were true. And when we were both going over the VC, he noticed how Bismuth was getting really defensive and thought that he was clearly lying to me. <br /> <br /> Especially when I told Bismuth that Josh (Null) claimed to me that him and Nightmare were the same person.<br /> And that 3-4 seconds of silence on his part was something that helped convince Chris that I was in the right.<br /> <br /> He also noticed how hostile Bismuth was getting towards me as well, especially when I kept on asking him if he doxed me or not. Chris saw that as a red flag.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did Chris cut ties with Bismuth?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|From what I know, yes he did.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What happened between Chris and MKRNightVee? MKR’s recent tweets indicate they’ve had a falling out. Is it related to the Watchmen breakup?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes it is.<br /> <br /> Meghan was upset that Chris had sided with me in regards to what had happened.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How does Praetor fit in to this? MKRNightVee has said in a tweet that you’ve teamed up with them.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Praetor had nothing to do with what happened.<br /> <br /> Its just that when they got word from Chris that he had left the server, they followed. So it makes sense on MKR's part to accuse me of working with them because we all either got banned or left the place at the same time.<br /> <br /> It was a strange coincidence yes, but there is zero contact between me and Caden.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What server did Chris leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|The Watchmen's Place.<br /> <br /> as some of you might've heard of on the CWCki. - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Discord#The_Watchmen.27s_Place}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Why did he leave it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|when he got word that I got banned from the server (by Kyle that is), he saw it as a green light to leave it himself.<br /> <br /> So essentially he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Are you still in contact with Chris?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|at this moment in time, I'm not.<br /> <br /> We went our separate ways not long after the Watchmen had broken up and I believe that its for the best for both me and him.<br /> <br /> And rather or not if he wants to be in touch with me still is completely up to him, but I won't be too surprised if he had already moved on at this point, and I respect whatever path he goes on moving forward.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Forgot to ask earlier, but what was your motivation for informing Chris of the conflict between you and Bismuth/MKR/Kyle?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I was running out of options on what to do. When MKR and Kyle didn't believe my claims, I felt that I had no choice but to inform Chris on what had happened.<br /> <br /> It was a very risky move on my part to do that, but I don't regret telling him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|That’s all the questions I have. Thank you for answering. Is there anything else you would like to add?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I just want to let people know that Chris is now a free man with nobody to dictate his actions. And for his sake, it needs to remain that way.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Thanks again. I'll look to getting this conversation to the CWCki. Do you want your username/avatar censored?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screencaps|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:The WCT interview1.png<br /> File:The WCT interview2.png<br /> File:The WCT interview3.png<br /> File:The WCT interview4.png<br /> File:The WCT interview5.png<br /> File:The WCT interview6.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[CWCProtectSquad]]<br /> *[[Guard Dogs]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Fantasies}}<br /> {{People}}</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271438 2021-10-23T14:57:00Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* More on minor members, not less */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == More on minor members, not less ==<br /> <br /> I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. This is an extremely bad look for the credibility of this site and anything on it. <br /> <br /> Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. <br /> <br /> There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. <br /> <br /> Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. <br /> <br /> [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Talk:Watchmen&diff=271437 2021-10-23T14:55:22Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* More on minor members, not less */</p> <hr /> <div>== Title ==<br /> <br /> What if we rename this to CPU Gatekeepers? Then move the Arbitarch stuff to a side-note on the page and put back the Gatekeepers summary from Other Enablers? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:36, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Just Gatekeepers will be better, not everyone is a CPU. Other than that I agree. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 04:39, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::Fair point, though Gatekeepers sounds like more of a disambiguation page since other groups have been gatekeepers before. I guess it could work as a temp title until more info comes to light. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:51, 11 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :How about &quot;The Watchmen&quot;. A reference to the classic comic book. Plus I want to call myself Rorschach (since he writes a diary and is almost like a chronicler of events). As of now 4 members are publically known - Me, MKR, Aqua and anameisaname from kiwi farms. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:21, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Sounds good to me. Okay to start sections on Rorschach and anameisaname? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:13, 12 August 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Conflicts on Origins section ==<br /> <br /> In the Origins section, someone asked a Watchman about the origins of the group, and the Watchman responded by quoting a section from the [[Guard Dogs]] article which stated that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at further conventions. <br /> <br /> However, the editor who put that section in has since retracted it for lack of source and said he had probably misread the Kiwi Farms thread. Marvin, one of the Guard Dogs, also stated that Chris was on his own and had no one babysitting him. [[:File:Marvin on conventions claim.png]].<br /> <br /> So I'm deleting the Origins section in light of the conflict. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:24, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :So I talked to Naught about the conflict and got some clarifying statements saying that Owls, the original leader of the Watchmen, lied about some things. Will restore the Origins section and incorporate the new statements in. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 04:27, 9 September 2020 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Ongoing? ==<br /> <br /> I noticed that the ongoing template was removed. Are they no longer gatekeeping Chris, or was it just removed because they're generally not publicly active? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 08:58, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Figured it could be removed since there hasn't been news lately and the page itself isn't frequently updated anymore. Think we should put it back? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:29, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :I think it should regain the ongoing template because while they aren't regularly active, they are still interacting with Chris. The removal of the template suggests that they aren't gatekeepers anymore, which isn't the case as far as I know. I was also thinking about adding a section about how a watchman posted one user's info and links to several of their social media accounts on the CWCki Discord (effectively doxxing that user), which resulted in that watchman (maybe two of them) being banned. It's not closely related to Chris but it would do a good job of showing how they operate. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:10, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I agree with Abaddon. They're definitely still interacting with Chris in private, so it should be put back. And adding some of that information regarding how they operate would also be helpful for the article. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 22:21, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :::Alright, readded the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 22:25, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :This is somewhat unrelated to the topic at hand, but can anyone ask if they can get Chris to do more Q&amp;As? It's been nearly half a year since the last one. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 18:17, 8 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::I unfortunately haven't received any new answers since [[Discord Q&amp;A 11]] (I run the CWC Questions [https://discord.gg/AmeyVxN server] and the [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository|depository]]), although I am told that Chris does get regular reminders about the Q&amp;A. I hate to say it, but it's really just a waiting game at this point to see if he'll ever get around to it. --[[User:Anaxis|Anaxis]] ([[User talk:Anaxis|talk]]) 01:24, 10 June 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? ==<br /> <br /> It's blatantly obvious now that the two of them were way more involved with the Watchmen and Chris than they ever publicly let on. So should there be sections for them here? [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 05:16, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :Absolutely. I am curious why they are not here already to be honest. Not including them begins to give an appearance of bias. They are not the only individuals who were involved in these Discords who haven't been named, either. But the information available is still coming out on that and everything is kind of in a state of flux right now, so one thing at a time I guess. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 06:24, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Every known member of the Watchmen should be in the article, so yes. Shockingly ironic that a mod of the discord server in which trying to contact Chris is a bannable offense would be in contact with Chris. When did this info surface? [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 06:45, 10 Sep 2021 (UTC)<br /> :Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Sean Walker ==<br /> <br /> Sean has sections on two separate pages on this wiki - one here, one on the [[Bella]] page - which are almost completely identical. This makes things confusing in a bunch of ways (sections may not be completely in sync with each other and have different information, different redirects for his name go to different pages, etc). It's also just very clumsy and awkward. <br /> <br /> I see three possible options here:<br /> <br /> <br /> 1. A '''new, separate page''' should be made for Sean, which will be linked on both the Watchmen and Bella articles, with a brief summary of how he was relevant to the corresponding subjects below.<br /> <br /> 2. '''Remove Sean from the Watchmen article''' and put everything into the Bella article, or vice versa.<br /> <br /> 3. '''Do nothing,''' and maintain the status quo.<br /> <br /> <br /> Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 18:16, 12 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> :The first option sounds pretty good to me. There should be enough material for Sean's own article at this point. [[User:Lez|Lez]] ([[User talk:Lez|talk]]) 03:49, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> ::That was where I was leaning towards too. Seeing as how PsychoNerd is already making the page for Sean, I'm gonna remove the templates from this and the bella article now that it's concluded. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:09, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == Minor members ==<br /> <br /> I don't really see what the point of keeping around the sections for minor members like Kyle and Owls is. They were never really relevant in the first place, and now that the Watchmen have disbanded, chances are we'll never hear from them again. I propose we either remove them from the page or split them into a different section called 'minor members' so they don't take attention away from the real important players like Sean and Bismuth. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 17:26, 13 September 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> : I asked one of my sources about this. The response was, &quot;minor members? LOL. Owls started the shit and Kyle is besties with MKR and Naught.&quot; So, maybe the words you're looking for are &quot;members not involved in any of the big scandals&quot;, so I guess in that sense they're minor, but not really. People who were involved with these groups really need to be ''more'' extensively documented, not less. Ignoring and/or covering for up their bullshit and antics has already caused enough problems. The &quot;Knights&quot; don't even have a page on here yet ffs. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 05:09, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> == More on minor members, not less ==<br /> <br /> I revised my comment above somewhat as it was a bit over the top, sorry. I'm adding some content on some of these so-called &quot;minor members&quot; and on the Watchmen/Knights schism as well as other individuals who were present in the Discord logs and the general controversies surrounding the Watchmen. The Watchmen generally are ''severely'' underdocumented on this Wiki relative to their involvement with the several Chris-related scandals. It is hard not to ponder whether this is related to the fact that several of their members, ex-members, and associates are prominent on this site. It's astounding to me that these individuals haven't contributed more here given the importance of this topic. There is quite a bit more to add, both stuff I have in my notes and/or on Kiwi and stuff that still needs researching or might be better added by others. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:47, 23 October 2021 (UTC)<br /> <br /> Also, &quot;Naught&quot; I think is the name he is best known by but &quot;Bismuth&quot; was more commonly used in relation to his interactions with Chris. This has the potential to cause confusion. I'd like to refer to him as &quot;Naught&quot; generally with &quot;Bismuth&quot; parenthetically, but wondered other people's thoughts. Lastly, there is one &quot;x&quot; in &quot;dox&quot; and I will die on this hill. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 14:55, 23 October 2021 (UTC)</div>

SpookyBones https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&diff=271436 2021-10-23T14:53:59Z

<p>SpookyBones: /* The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character */ don't need to reintroduce people discussed above</p> <hr /> <div>{{quote|You brought so much fucking [[Laughs Under Lucricities|joy]] to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Bismuth, one of the Watchmen, to Chris.&lt;ref&gt;[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Watchmen.jpg|thumb|The [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|accumulated]] [[Unholy Tetrad|filth]] of their [[trolls]] and [[weening]] will foam up about their waists and all the [[Dimensional Merge|Merge-deniers]] and [[A-log|A-logs]] will look up and shout &quot;[[For Julie's Eyes Only|JULAAAY!]]&quot; ...And I'll look down, and whisper &quot;[[THAT IS MY HOUSE|I'm workin' on it.]]&quot;]]<br /> <br /> The '''Watchmen''' were a group of fanatical [[enablers]] whose members served as gatekeepers and [[white knights]] for [[Christian Weston Chandler|Chris]], in a similar manner as their predecessors, the [[Guard Dogs]]. Their goal was to keep away malicious individuals trying to troll or scam Chris, and as such wound up in conflict with [[Sockness]], [[Praetor]] and various other members of the rogue's gallery of the CWC universe. The group had a few iterations but with Chris currently jailed for [[incest]] their purpose has become moot. Furthermore, unfortunately, some of the problems were coming from within their own house, namely [[Sean Walker]], who with the Watchmen mainly used the names ''Conner'' and ''neko''. As is now well-known Sean was involved in some truly depraved activities with Chris and [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. Sean was able to effectively wrest control of Chris from the rest of the Watchmen, and use said control to found his own enabling group, the [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|Knights of CWC]].<br /> <br /> As a faction, the Watchmen were instrumental in numerous events over the course of late [[2019]] onwards, such as attempting to dismantle [[Jacob Sockness]]’s influence over Chris and drive him off. They also shut down the Arbitarch CWC Alliance Discord server when the true intent of the server was revealed. Chris had contact with the Watchmen, including [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|chatting with them]] on [[Discord Q&amp;A 4|Google Hangouts]] and over [[Discord]]. The Watchmen were also behind the [[2020 Discord leaks|Discord leaks in August 2020]], and the [[Discord Q&amp;A]]'s.<br /> <br /> Their approach was rather controversial, as they gained Chris's favor by means of [[Enablers|enabling]] his delusions by pretending to be fellow [[CPU]] goddesses and encouraging his beliefs in [[magical thinking]] and the [[Dimensional Merge]]. The Watchmen tracked and collected information on anyone involved with - or attempting to get involved with Chris, and had little to hesitation in regards to doing any potential [[weens]], [[trolls]], and [[A-Log|A-logs]].<br /> <br /> While they shared a name with the 1986/1987 DC Comics limited series by Alan Moore, David Gibbons, and John Higgins, the 2009 film adaptation (which is [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|not that long of a movie]], according to [[Emily]] and [[The Man in the Pickle Suit]]), the 2019 HBO series, and the various comic book spin-offs, the Watchmen apparently did not take inspiration from the franchise, in contrast to how [[The Miscreants]] modeled themselves after the Patriots from ''[[Metal Gear Solid]]''.<br /> <br /> ==Origins==<br /> What eventually became the Watchmen group had its roots in the CWC Rebellion Discord server. There, Owls met Meghan (aka MKRNightVee), and Talia (whom Owls described as &quot;a person exploiting and egging MKR on to talk to Chris&quot;).&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/page-1257#post-7343340 (Archive: https://archive.fo/06IZx)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Meghan got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/&lt;/ref&gt; Owls tried to coach Meghan&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl5-png.644835/&lt;/ref&gt; and avoid problems, though he admits he didn't do well at it.&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> After Meghan had been in contact with Chris for some time, Owls came up with the idea to try to [[manipulate]] Chris's beliefs away from the [[Dimensional Merge]] through telling him that the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU goddesses]] had relocated to Earth. Meghan recruited her friends to role-play as CPUs to Chris over Discord; Owls acted as a gatekeeper between MKR's friends and Chris.&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> {{quote|time passed talking with Meghan for about a month or so there came an idea from me in the most autistic way possible &quot;convince Chris that merge wasn't happening and that CPU had decided to be on earth and act like normal people in society&quot;. foolishly believing this would work Meghan gathered some people from different servers she said we could trust and we made a server. this idea failed and when the first person decided to brag about it on a different discord I shut down the idea.|Owls&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> According to Bismuth, Owls acted as liaison between the CPU group and [[Marvin]] of the [[Guard Dogs]] group (the latter also being gatekeepers to Chris at the time) but Bismuth claimed that Owls wasn't reporting back to Marvin. Owls later left the group.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ==Major Players==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> [[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]<br /> '''Bismuth''' was the second leader of the Watchmen, taking over the group after Owls left.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; He monitored and doxed potential weens or outside enablers. He went by many usernames - he used &quot;Bismuth&quot; to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including &quot;Naught&quot;, &quot;anameisaname&quot;, &quot;death of chans&quot;, and &quot;Nightmare&quot;&lt;ref name=naug htthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; - he was eventually banned from the forum for use of multiple sockpuppet accounts, advertising, and liking his own posts with sock accounts.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/corbindallasmultipass-memorial-thread.30974/post-9227018&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[June 2021]], conflict arose between Bismuth and fellow Watchman [[Sean Walker|The WCT]], stemming from an allegation Bismuth had doxed the latter.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Following a Lolcow.org thread on the ex-member of the group, an audio voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; suggested that Chris sided against Bismuth in the dispute.<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> [[File:BiggusDorkus.png|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> {{Main|Sean Walker}}<br /> <br /> '''Sean Walker''', primarily known in the context of the Watchmen as '''Conner''' or '''neko''', or in the broader Internet as '''the WCT''', archived calls involving Chris and occasionally gave interviews to observers. In February 2021, he attempted to become the fourth person behind the role of Lainchu but Chris rejected his attempt. He was instrumental in the eventual downfall of the Watchmen, admitting in private that he had been &quot;working with Former Kiwi Farmers to bring down the Watchmen&quot; out of a personal dislike of Bismuth, which led to a cascade of events in which multiple people were doxxed and Chris left the Watchmen's server.&lt;ref name=&quot;WCTThread&gt;[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/sean-walker-psychic-espeon-wct-wildcat-neko.97689 Sean Walker / @Psychic Espeon / Lainchu / WCT / WildCat / Neko (etc.) - Self-described &quot;Final Protagonist of Christory&quot;, spree-killer fanboy, connected to Bellagate]&lt;/ref&gt; He would go on to found [[Watchmen#The Knights of CWC|The Knights of CWC]], a Watchmen splinter group, while manipulating Chris into following him to a new Discord, where eventually [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] would appear. After Chris's arrest for [[incest]], Sean reached out to Bella again, who was able to manipulate Sean into attempting to shift blame from Isabella to the [[Everfree Suitress]]. Eventually Sean's internet footprint was discovered to be exceedigly disturbing and to include the introduction of Chris to spree-killer Randy Stair, a seriously depraved individual who's belief system regarding cartoons and alternative universes bears more than a passing relationship with Chris's.<br /> <br /> ===MKRNightVee===<br /> [[Image:MeghanRingo.jpg|250px|thumb|right|Meghan]]<br /> [[File:MKR enabling.png|200px|thumb|right||Meghan enabling Chris's delusional thoughts.]]<br /> {{quote|I am a [[CPU]], that means I am directly on the same level of godhood as [[Chris]]tine.|Meghan, replying to [[Sarah and Steve]] questioning if she really follows Chris's beliefs.&lt;ref&gt;[http://archive.md/lj64i Archive of 7 Nov 2019 tweet chain]&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Nothing lasts forever, especially not any group protecting Chris-chan.|Meghan, reflecting after her March 2021 ragequit.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> '''Meghan Kathleen Ringo''' (born 24 April 1992), also known under the aliases '''MKRNightVee''', '''CPUMagentaHeart''' and '''thepixietailartist''', and sometimes referred to as '''Maker''' by Chris, appeared in early [[2019]]. She got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up Chris's phone number for her.&lt;ref name=cap2&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; She presented herself to Chris as being the [[CPU]] goddess of the [[Nintendo Switch]], offering him validation on his fantasies of having magic powers.&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454/&lt;/ref&gt; She has stated that her goal isn't to feed into Chris's delusions so much as to offer advice and help.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR motives.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Chris offered her several of his possessions in his [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|Last Will and Testament]].<br /> <br /> She set up a Discord group for Chris, telling her friends to role-play as [[CPU]] goddesses to gain Chris's trust, while also instituting a no-trolling rule.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:MKR Discord Rules.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; <br /> <br /> During the [[TF2 Analysis|TF2 Analysis saga]], she created an alt Twitter account named [[Creamarina]] and shared it with Chris to enable him to evade blocks.&lt;ref&gt;[[Misc texts#Creamarina]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> During the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in which Sockness attempted to manipulate Chris into a sexual relationship, Meghan saw the potential danger in Sockness's activities, and steered Chris away from him during summer 2019; Sockness, who at the time was engaging in a full-scale war against Chris's enablers, followers and critics alike, considered MKR to be a notable enemy of his, and apparently abused her verbally on Twitter as his second dramatic cycle approached its climax in early [[November 2019|November]]. She, as well as Aqua, largely mitigated Sockness's influence over Chris, though Chris was still willing to listen to Sockness.<br /> [[File:mkrragequit.png|200px|thumb|left|Meghan ragequits in March 2021.]]<br /> In March 2021, MKR temporarily gave up on helping Chris when she learned that he was planning on [[Taser Discussion|playing with a taser]] with his new friend group [[Praetor]], sending an angry Tweet directed towards him which expressed her disdain, before deleting her Twitter account a few days later.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1368024530325630980 (Archive https://archive.fo/rXsVi)&lt;/ref&gt; However, she reactivated her account, and tweeted again to Chris in April, replying to Chris tagging her to show her a gif file,&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380732044951515137 (archive: https://archive.fo/fL8wZ)&lt;/ref&gt; and later to reply to another of Chris's tweets in order to call [[Other enablers#Helena Fiorenza|one of his enablers]] a faggot.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1380756077864620033 (archive: https://archive.fo/Ybm8P)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In June 2021, internal conflict arose among Watchmen members over Bismuth allegedly doxing The WCT which resulted in the group separating. Meghan had sided with Bismuth and Chris against, leading to Chris distancing himself from Meghan in the fallout. On 29 June, Meghan tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She followed up by tweeting that she regretted having spent her time drawing art for Chris and accused him of being unappreciative of it.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1411511053872025605 (archive: https://archive.fo/8WSOI)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===AquaDiamond8===<br /> {{quote|Christine...Please stop this, Mewtwo is not real, the [[merge]] is not happening, you need serious help. If you need help there are people to help you with these delusions. This is incredibly unhealthy for you.|AquaDiamond8, March 2019&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/50xPX&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> {{quote|Still i dont want &lt;nowiki&gt;[&lt;/nowiki&gt;[[Jacob Sockness]]&lt;nowiki&gt;]&lt;/nowiki&gt; attacking my people when the merge happens, Christine has said there will be no more war or need for violence in the merge, my Sapphire has forseen this |AquaDiamond8 changes her tune, November 2019.&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.ph/0bMDM&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> [[File:Magi-Chan and AquaDiamond8.jpg|AquaDiamond8 and Magi-Chan. Drawn by Aqua November 2019.|thumb|200px]]<br /> <br /> '''AquaDiamond8''' is a Twitter user who has bounced from being a [[ween]],&lt;ref&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-988#post-4495303&lt;/ref&gt; to a [[white knight]], to an enabler and Watchman. In November 2019, during the [[Jacob Sockness]] saga, in hopes to lure Chris away from Sockness, Aqua joined the Watchmen and embraced Chris's delusional beliefs, changing her Twitter handle to '''CPU Goddess Aqua of the Mac Book Pro'''. Later, Aqua began drawing fanart of her [[OC]] interacting with [[Magi-Chan]].&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/lGets&lt;/ref&gt; She then posted a Pokémon drawing, claiming it to be an alt-dimension Magi-Chan:&lt;ref&gt;http://archive.md/ETlxV&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> In [[September 2020]], Aqua confirmed in the comments of a Dillin Thomas video that they were no longer a part of the Watchmen.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|in all honesty at first i genuinly wanted to help chris but after the incident with Wendy i wanted to make things better, and try to help him, and as someone with autism, and who has family that acts like chris, i knew how dificult it is to get them to beleive certain things. I guess going along with it and pretending to be a goddess was better than letting her be on her own and let someone else take advantage of her.<br /> <br /> Note that i never wanted anything from Chris, and did want to help, and despite what Dillin says about MKR or some of the &quot;enamblers, not all of them are bad, MKR is the nicest person i know and i know that she truely does care for Chris. <br /> <br /> I wanted to to help them with keeping sockness away from Chris and though it took some time ive seen chris is no longer taking his crap serious. I do keep up to date whats been going on, but i dont interact.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ak_ElSwC1Xo&amp;lc=Ugw4uQfLu00i10Lrjq14AaABAg.9DSJjEeQ6nb9DSfhyTd-Ra (Archive https://archive.md/oob08)&lt;/ref&gt;}}<br /> <br /> <br /> ===Owls===<br /> [[File:Ryan Owls.png|thumb|200px|left|Ryan.]]<br /> The original founder of the organization is one '''Ryan Winger''', a/k/a '''Owls''' to the other Watchmen, as '''GhostBird50''' on the [[Kiwi Farms]],&lt;ref name=owlsaccount&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; and as '''CpuTurquoiseHeart''' to Chris,&lt;ref name=cpuowls&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;[[:File:Naught origin clarify 1.png]] amd [[:File:Naught origin clarify 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt; Initially, Ryan advised MKRNightVee in interacting with Chris and founded the Watchmen's Discord server. Ryan also acted as a liaison between Watchmen and [[Guard Dogs]] member Marvin, though fellow Watchman Bismuth alleged that he hadn't been reporting back to Marvin.&lt;ref name=naughtclarify&gt;&lt;/ref&gt; Ryan eventually left the group, stating he wanted no more part in Chris's situation or in Internet drama, and was succeeded by Naught/Bismuth. This seems to have come when he got involved in a feud &lt;ref name=ryanfued&gt;[[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/orbiter-general-thread.75256/]]&lt;/ref&gt; with several other obscure Chris orbiters.<br /> [[File:Ghostbird_kiwistatus.png|thumb|200px|right|Ryan, as Kiwi '''Ghostbird50''', states his desire to move on from Chris.]]<br /> <br /> ==Minor Players==<br /> <br /> ===Kyle===<br /> A seemingly minor and or less active member of the Watchmen. '''Kyle''' publicly appeared only in the [[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)|Google Hangout chats]]. Kyle was also apparently the inspiration for Chris's [[:File:KylechuOC.jpg|Kylechu]] OC. More worryingly, Kyle apparently boasted of working at a suicide hotline and inducing callers to go through with taking their own lives&lt;ref name=kylesuicide&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-17264&lt;/ref&gt;, something which was revealed in Discord leaks, both audio and text.<br /> <br /> ===Klop===<br /> Additionally notable for being the former administrator of the CWCki Discord, a venue which forbids interaction with Chris on pain of a permaban, as well as an [[User:Klop|editor of this very wiki]], '''klop''' was involved with playing the [[Watchmen#Lainchu]] character, as well as being a member/associate of the original Watchmen, albeit one without the prominence of those people listed above. Unlike most of the other minor players. he does not seem to have followed Sean into the Knights schism.<br /> <br /> ===Anaxis===<br /> Also a [[User:Anaxis|CWCki editor]], '''Anaxis''' was a seemingly bit player both in the original Watchmen and in Sean's splinter group, showing up in logs with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and with Sean. For unknown reasons, attempts were made to conceal the involvement of Anaxis with these groups on this Wiki.<br /> <br /> ==The &quot;Lainchu&quot; Character==<br /> [[File:Lainchu.jpg|thumb|200px|Lainchu, as drawn by MKRNightVee.]]<br /> <br /> '''Lainchu''', also known as '''Lainchu the Chronicler''', is an OC created by Chris, whose purpose is to document Chris's activities (and unofficially, to provide Christorians with first hand information), based on the protagonist of the [[anime]], ''[[Wikipedia:Serial Experiments Lain|Serial Experiments Lain]]'', in which a teenage girl finds herself engaging with a virtual world network, reminiscent of the [[internet]].<br /> <br /> Four Watchmen had taken up the responsibility to [[Role-play|larp]] as Lainchu; <br /> <br /> *'''Bismuth''', who originally had the role&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> *'''Klop''', who took over in 7 [[August 2020]] until late August<br /> *'''Anaxis''', who served as Lainchu from late August to mid [[February 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis1.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:Lainchu_Anaxis3.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, and again in March 2021, after Chris responded poorly to the role-playing of Sean (see below) who could only maintain his attention for about a month.<br /> *'''Sean Walker''' from mid February 2021 to [[March 2021]]&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-02-20 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;, who Chris rejected in the role.&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:2021-03-18 Lainchu.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Lainchu was, indirectly, the source of considerable controversy on the Kiwi Farms&lt;ref=htlsock&gt;https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/&lt;/ref&gt; after an [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|administrator of this very Wiki]] used a sock account to modify this page, redacting the name '''Anaxis''' for unclear reasons, which lead to the revelation that said admin, along with the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]], were present in Discords involving the Watchmen and [[Sean Walker]]'s splinter group, the &quot;Knights of CWC&quot;.<br /> <br /> ==Discord Servers==<br /> The Watchmen were in various [[Discord]] servers.<br /> <br /> ===Arbitarch CWC Alliance===<br /> From before the Watchmen had fully come out to the public, the server was eventually shut down. <br /> <br /> ===The Place===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Place.png|thumb|200px|The Place server.]]<br /> <br /> The Place is the server Chris was in from 2020-June 2021. In [[August 2020]], the Watchmen announced the presence of the group publicly via the [[:Category:2020 Discord leaks|2020 Discord leaks]]. It was during this time the Watchmen name was adopted to describe the group.<br /> <br /> Signs of the group collapsing began appearing around late [[June 2021]]. Earlier in the month, The WCT had been doxed on [[Kiwi Farms]] by an account named Nightmare, and signs pointed to fellow Watchman and group leader Bismuth as the person behind the account.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/anameisaname-bismuth-anon-llc-naught-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-nightmare-tardwarsllc-heart-cpu-bismuth-heart.724/ (archive: https://archive.fo/G30td)&lt;/ref&gt; When The WCT confronted Bismuth in a voice chat during the group’s movie night on 21 June, Bismuth denied the allegation, then threatened to further dox The WCT in an attempt to silence him. Kyle and MKRNightVee took Bismuth’s side in the dispute.&lt;ref&gt;https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3hYztxRHRA &lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 25 June, The WCT informed Chris about the infighting. He showed Chris screenshots of Nightmare's Kiwi Farms posts and the voice chat in which he had confronted the group over Bismuth being Nightmare. According to The WCT, Chris gradually processed the information, in particular picking up on red flags from Bismuth in the chat - noticing his defensiveness and hostility towards The WCT. Ultimately, Chris believed The WCT's evidence and apparently cut ties with Bismuth over it.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;[[Watchmen#Interview]]&lt;/ref&gt; A leaked voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”&lt;ref&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3&lt;/ref&gt; was posted to a Lolcow.org thread made about Bismuth the following day.&lt;ref name=naughtthread&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> Kyle banned The WCT from the Watchmen's [[Discord]] server. In response, Chris then decided to leave their server. As The WCT explained, &quot;he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.&quot; The [[Praetor]] group, who had also been in the server, left it as well following Chris's departure.&lt;ref name=wctinterview&gt;&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> On 29 June, MKRNightVee made multiple tweets that suggested Chris had cut communications with her. She tagged Chris’s Twitter and posted, “Your obviously good at using people and then moving on to the next. Have fun getting fucked over by WCT and [[Praetor]].”&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410076709148266498 (archive: https://archive.fo/zb0wM)&lt;/ref&gt; She then followed up with accusations against The WCT, believing him to be messing with Chris and having sinister motives.&lt;ref&gt;https://twitter.com/MKR11217089/status/1410103600932548609 (archive: https://archive.md/UKGom)&lt;/ref&gt;<br /> <br /> ===The Knights of CWC===<br /> [[File:Watchmen Discord The Knights of CWC.png|450px|left|The Knights of CWC server.]] <br /> <br /> '''The Knights of CWC''' was a schismatic group founded in late June of 2021 by [[Sean Walker]] following his fallout with Bismuth/Naught over the latter's doxing of the former leading to bad blood between the two of them and between Sean and MKR. The disagreement seems to have been of a personal nature, and related to these two individuals leaking embarrassing material on one another both publicly, and privately to Chris, with Sean eventually being able to win over Chris and convince him that MKR and Sean were [[Nazis]], using a recording from their Discord. Sean was able to take several members with him including '''Anaxis''' and a few hangers-on.<br /> <br /> [[File:WCT on Knights of CWC server.png|thumb|450px|right]] Also notable were disagreements between the leaders of the two groups on how best to handle [[Isabella Loretta Janke]], then thought to be a leader of [[Praetor]]&lt;ref name=foolpraetor&gt;https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-27912&lt;/ref&gt;. According to '''The Fool''', a longtime but now-banned [[Kiwi Farms]] user and lesser-known affiliate of the Watchmen and then the Knights, the conflict originated with Naught and MKR's desire to chase Bella away, and Sean's desire to develop a closer relationship with her, allegedly in order to better protect Chris against potential exploitation, but, it would eventually be revealed in the fallout of [[incest|the Merge]], he may have had far more sinister motives.<br /> <br /> [[File:Sean_bella_allen.png|640px|left|Sean meets with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]] and Allen Owubu, one of her orbiters, on the Knights of CWC Discord server.]] It was on the Knights server that Sean and others made their first contact with [[Isabella Loretta Janke]], in which they discuss Chris, the Kiwi Farms, with Sean attempting to insinuate (falsely) that he had inside access to [[Null]] and other prominent users, and later asking Bella to assist him in doxing Naught, calling him an &quot;evil man.&quot; Not long thereafter, Chris would be s arrested for incest and the &quot;Mothergate&quot; scandal spread far and wide, exposing the depravity of both Isabella and Sean, as well as casting light on various dark corners of what Sean called &quot;the CWC sphere&quot;, leading to much of the content now in this article.<br /> <br /> ==Interviews==<br /> ===Bismuth===<br /> On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Bismuth through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Bismuth's responses color-coded white.<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Q&amp;A|The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.<br /> <br /> After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}<br /> <br /> The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|Stress and people @ her on Twitter<br /> <br /> Her and mkr are still frens}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxwhite|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes&lt;ref&gt;[[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 1.png]][[:File:4September2020 WatchmenOriginQ&amp;A 2.png]]&lt;/ref&gt;}}}}<br /> <br /> ===The WCT===<br /> {{Protip|Given the complicated history with WCT, it's possible that at least some of his claims here are not completely TRUE or HONEST. Take everything he says with a grain of salt.}}<br /> The WCT was interviewed over Discord about the Watchmen breakup on 11 July 2021. The WCT's messages are in blue and the interviewer's in green.<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Hi. Someone told me you’re The WCT. If it’s okay with you, I’d like to ask you some questions about the Watchmen breakup for the Cwcki.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|hi there.<br /> <br /> and yes, by all means ask said questions.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|The initial conflict seems to be between you and Bismuth, that Bismuth doxed you. How did it grow to break up the Watchmen group?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|After I concluded that it was Bismuth that was responsible for the doxing, I made the choice to contact MKRNightVee (or Meghan some of you know her as) and I showed her a lot of screenshots in DMs that compared the typing style of his old Kiwi Farms accounts to one that he used to dox me. (which was Nightmare)<br /> <br /> I recall telling her that I was 90 percent sure that it was him.<br /> <br /> But in spite of the evidence that I had presented to her at the time, she didn't believe me. And during our VC on June 21st, She and Kyle were still not convinced.<br /> <br /> They originally thought it was somebody who I angered in the past, but knowing what the Nightmare account was up to at the time, I knew that it was him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris learn of the dispute?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Not long after the VC, I decided that I would contact him myself.<br /> <br /> So with the help of a Former Watchmen who had his phone number, I was able to get in contact with him on June 25th.<br /> <br /> And there, I had an hour and 40 minute talk with him that first started off as any conversation I'd usually have with him until I was comfortable enough to tell him the details.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did you show Chris the same evidence that you did to MKRNightVee?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|When I was talking with MKR, I didn't show her as much evidence at the time since the Investigation was still ongoing. And compared to what I shared with Chris, I shared less with MKR.<br /> <br /> Not because I didn't trust her, but it was because there was not enough information available at the time. And what I ended up showing Chris was a combination of the Kiwi Farms posts and the VC that I had with the rest of the group.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How did Chris react to it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|It took Chris a while to process it.<br /> <br /> With each screenshot, he began to believe that my claims were true. And when we were both going over the VC, he noticed how Bismuth was getting really defensive and thought that he was clearly lying to me. <br /> <br /> Especially when I told Bismuth that Josh (Null) claimed to me that him and Nightmare were the same person.<br /> And that 3-4 seconds of silence on his part was something that helped convince Chris that I was in the right.<br /> <br /> He also noticed how hostile Bismuth was getting towards me as well, especially when I kept on asking him if he doxed me or not. Chris saw that as a red flag.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Did Chris cut ties with Bismuth?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|From what I know, yes he did.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What happened between Chris and MKRNightVee? MKR’s recent tweets indicate they’ve had a falling out. Is it related to the Watchmen breakup?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes it is.<br /> <br /> Meghan was upset that Chris had sided with me in regards to what had happened.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|How does Praetor fit in to this? MKRNightVee has said in a tweet that you’ve teamed up with them.}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|Praetor had nothing to do with what happened.<br /> <br /> Its just that when they got word from Chris that he had left the server, they followed. So it makes sense on MKR's part to accuse me of working with them because we all either got banned or left the place at the same time.<br /> <br /> It was a strange coincidence yes, but there is zero contact between me and Caden.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|What server did Chris leave?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|The Watchmen's Place.<br /> <br /> as some of you might've heard of on the CWCki. - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Discord#The_Watchmen.27s_Place}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Why did he leave it?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|when he got word that I got banned from the server (by Kyle that is), he saw it as a green light to leave it himself.<br /> <br /> So essentially he saw my banning as a signal to him that my suspicions about Bismuth and the others were correct.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Are you still in contact with Chris?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|at this moment in time, I'm not.<br /> <br /> We went our separate ways not long after the Watchmen had broken up and I believe that its for the best for both me and him.<br /> <br /> And rather or not if he wants to be in touch with me still is completely up to him, but I won't be too surprised if he had already moved on at this point, and I respect whatever path he goes on moving forward.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Forgot to ask earlier, but what was your motivation for informing Chris of the conflict between you and Bismuth/MKR/Kyle?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I was running out of options on what to do. When MKR and Kyle didn't believe my claims, I felt that I had no choice but to inform Chris on what had happened.<br /> <br /> It was a very risky move on my part to do that, but I don't regret telling him.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|That’s all the questions I have. Thank you for answering. Is there anything else you would like to add?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|I just want to let people know that Chris is now a free man with nobody to dictate his actions. And for his sake, it needs to remain that way.}}<br /> <br /> {{quoteboxgreen|Thanks again. I'll look to getting this conversation to the CWCki. Do you want your username/avatar censored?}}<br /> <br /> {{quotebox|yes}}<br /> <br /> {{collapsible|Screencaps|&lt;center&gt;&lt;gallery&gt;<br /> File:The WCT interview1.png<br /> File:The WCT interview2.png<br /> File:The WCT interview3.png<br /> File:The WCT interview4.png<br /> File:The WCT interview5.png<br /> File:The WCT interview6.png<br /> &lt;/gallery&gt;}}<br /> <br /> ==See also==<br /> *[[CWCProtectSquad]]<br /> *[[Guard Dogs]]<br /> <br /> ==References==<br /> &lt;references/&gt;<br /> <br /> {{Fantasies}}<br /> {{People}}</div>

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