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Chris and religion

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{{quote|I believe in God and Jesus too, but God must hate me to put me in the lifestyle I am forced to be cooped up and bored with.|Eli Eli lama sabaqtani! (Facebook, 2013)}}

{{quote|So, I dare say with all due respect to the Lord: meh|Chris abandons the Christian God for Hyperdimension Neptunia goddesses<ref>[[:File:IdeaGuyCWCreligion6.png]]</ref>.}}

[[Image:SonichuRosechuReligious.jpg|thumb|right|Sonichu and Rosechu recall Joseph's story of forgiveness immediately prior to Rosechu raping [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] in vengeance.]]
'''The religion of [[Christian Weston Chandler]]''' is a complicated topic because his stated religious convictions often starkly differ from his actual, peculiar beliefs about God, sinfulness, and the nature of good and evil.

That Chris professes a belief in Christianity completes the general stereotype of the [[naïve]] [[Ruckersville, VA|hillbilly]] [[Slow-in-the-minds|idiot]] who thinks that citing divine authority is the way to win arguments about things he doesn't understand. With religion, as with all things, Chris only hears what he wants to hear. For example, he long espoused his religion's teachings condemning [[homos]]exuality ''yet'' ignores the fact that it also forbids pre-marital [[Chris and sex|sex]], [[Nudes|pornography]], and [[Chris and health|gluttony]]. This dissonance is exemplified in his reaction to the news that [[PandaHalo]] had been raped and impregnated by [[Clyde Cash]]: he actively encouraged her to spend time with her rapist because a child should know and be raised by both of its parents... shortly after encouraging her to get an abortion.<ref>[[IRC (21 January 2009)]]</ref>

Chris's narrow view of the world requires that [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] and [[Rosechu]] share his religious beliefs, despite the fact that they also regard Chris as their almighty creator and father, creating yet another tier on this wedding cake of theological contradictions.

Irrespective of his religion, Chris believes he has received [[Dreams|multiple visions from God]].

In [[December 2017]], Chris, during a conversation with [[Idea Guy]], announced that he had converted to Hyperdimensional Neptunia, specifically to the CPU Gods within the series.

==Denomination==

{{quote|And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, [[BlueSpike|fornication]], [[Twin Falling Towers|wickedness]], [[Kacey|covetousness]], [[Don't Mess With Me|maliciousness]]; full of [[Infinitely high boyfriend factor|envy]], [[Death threats|murder]], [[Mass debating|debate]], [[List of Chris's lies|deceit]], [[Chris and anger|malignity]]; whisperers, [[Autism Tutorial Extra|backbiters]], haters of God, [[Aspergers (CWCipedia article)|despiteful]], [[Chris and his Ego|proud]], [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|boasters]], inventors of [[Sonichu|evil things]], [[Bob Chandler|disobedient to parents]], [[Naïve|without understanding]], covenantbreakers, [[Hanky-panky|without natural affection]], [[Chris and remorse|implacable]], [[Sonichu Special 4|unmerciful]]: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which [[For Julie's Eyes Only|commit such things are worthy of death]], not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.|Romans 1:28-32, on Chris}}

[[Image:CHRISjesuss.jpg|thumb|right|150px|Program from Chris's baptism.]]

The first church Chris and his parents are known to have attended is a Korean Presbyterian church at Chesterfield County.<ref>[[Church audio#00:18:10 - Seth MacFarlane & The Bible]]; [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript#Eating spaghetti and conversing (0:36:49–0:44:46)]]</ref> Chris would later on attend [[Grace Baptist Church]], a small congregation in [[Charlottesville]] that launched in [[2000]].<ref>http://cvilletomorrow.typepad.com/charlottesville_tomorrow_/2007/12/grace_baptist.html</ref> In [[2008]] he was, under [[Nudes|mysterious circumstances]], forced to leave that community, at which time he began attending [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]. Although Chris identifies himself as Methodist and so did his [[Bob Chandler|father]], his [[Barbara Chandler|mother]] identifies herself as a Presbyterian.<ref>[[Regina e-mails#Chris rambles like a motherfucker]]</ref>

"Wesley Mem" is located near the [[University of Virginia]] and has an unusually liberal theology; the common conclusion among [[trolls]] is that congregations more in line with Chris's intolerance of [[homos]] are equally intolerant of ''him'', so he had to come here. The doctrinal differences between the [[Wikipedia:Southern Baptist|Southern Baptist]] and Methodist denominations are probably too subtle for Chris to concern himself with, and he likely does not spiritually identify with any particular denomination of Christianity beyond simply being Protestant, or even simply Christian.

==Concept of God (or: GodJesus)==
[[Image:CWCletter.jpg|thumb|left|Chris invokes God and Jesus, saying they told him that [[Blanca]] is real. Proof that God and Jesus are on the [[trolls]]' side.]]
[[Image:SchuComic10P09.jpg|thumb|right|God and Jesus ('sup?) tell Chris he is meant to be with [[Ivy]].]]

Traditionally, Chris had a fundamental belief in an omnipotent, benevolent male God. He also accepted Jesus Christ as the son of God and the savior of mankind. He was reluctant to mention God without also including Jesus, perhaps out of some sense that he must stress his specifically Christian notion of God (despite other Abrahamic sects using completely different words for Him). In effect, Chris frequently referred to "God and Jesus" (or "GodJesus"<ref>[[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions]]</ref><ref>[[CWC Update 9 April 2009]]</ref>) as if they were some sort of [[wikipedia:Binitarianism|Binity]], unlike the mainstream Christian concept of the [[Wikipedia:Trinity|Trinity]], which states that God Himself exists as three "persons" (the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit) or expressions in one Essence.

Being the unparalleled study in [[Chris and his Ego|egotism]] he is, Chris seemed to view God as a more of an instrument of his own will than a supreme being to Whom he is subject. In Chris's view of God, the Almighty will overlook (or simply not care about) his misdeeds, but will become as enraged as Chris over those of others, especially when they malign Chris. Case in point, the ''fact'' that Chris cheated in the [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|PaRappa the Rapper contest]] is not nearly as important as the ''suspicion'' that [[Adam Stackhouse]] did, and Chris invoked God numerous times in his threats to Adam.

Chris believes God has a special interest in his own life, which would be consistent with Western monotheism, except that he also thinks God has nothing better to do than attend to him, and him alone. In his worldview, God's primary purpose should be to arrange events so that he is happy, and punish those who make him unhappy. This is nearly the exact opposite of Christianity which states that man is to serve God. He has been commonly observed saying things like "with God (and Jesus) on my side I will...". He often invokes the wrath of God in his [[Death threats|infantile threats]], and is oblivious to the fact that God has yet to back him up on any of them.

Much like the [[Wikipedia:Ruhollah Khomeini|Ayatollah Khomeini]], Chris attributes most of his impetus to commands given to him directly from GodJesus in [[Dreams|visions]]. “I'd say my spirit is active while I am awake, but it does more when I am at rest or sleeping,” he wrote in 2014.<ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing]]</ref> His exact beliefs concerning these prophetic dreams are difficult to pin down, but the most rational interpretation is that Chris dreams about something he'd like to do, then wakes up and decides it was God telling him to do it. In Chris's mind, each vision is simultaneously a directive to do something and proof that it will happen no matter what occurs. For instance, after Chris had a vision about fathering a [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|daughter]], he decided he was required to actively [[Love Quest|make that happen]] while also assuring himself that [[Virgin with rage|failure]] was impossible. When Chris was being accused of [[Chris and race|racism]] for insisting that he can only date white women, he justified this by arguing that his prophesied daughter must be white.

Visions from God supposedly confirmed that [[Blanca Weiss]], then [[PandaHalo]] and finally [[Ivy]] were to be the mother of [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Chris's child]], despite the fact that each of these women subsequently turned out to be [[trolls]]. This proves that God, if He exists, is either not responsible for Chris's supposedly prophetic dreams, or is having a [[Laughs Under Lucricities|laugh at his expense]], an idea which Chris may have later taken to heart.

Chris also believes that if he confesses his sins to GodJesus he will be forgiven. Private confessions directly to God are not uncommon in Protestantism, but generally it's assumed that the confessor is doing so out of true [[Chris and remorse|remorse]] and to genuinely atone for mistakes. However, Chris abuses the purpose of confession so that he can commit whatever wrongs he wants and then wipe the slate clean with his "confession." For example, Chris made [[To Clyde and Jack|a video]] in which he suggested that [[Clyde Cash]] and [[Jack Thaddeus]] commit suicide so that they can burn in Hell forever. He later drew them doing just that in [[Sonichu (comic)|his comic]]. Just one day after the comic appearance, Chris answered a fan letter asking why he had been wishing suicide upon them, and pointing out that such a wish conflicts with his Christian beliefs. Chris responded that he had "confessed of that to God and Jesus, and they[sic] have forgiven [him] on that."<ref>[[Mailbag 33#Chris demanded suicide under "reasonable hatred"]]</ref> One of two things happened: either Chris wished for their deaths in the video, asked for forgiveness, then gleefully drew it happening afterward anyway, or he waited until he'd finally got done saying his piece, then conveniently offered up his confession right after getting everything out of his system. Either way, such a confession is highly disingenuous.

In recent years, Chris appears to have become somewhat disenchanted with God. Traditional theology has long dealt with the so-called "problem of pain" in books Chris is unlikely to read any time soon. Despite Chris's strong belief that GodJesus is backing him up on his [[Love Quest]], God has nevertheless imparted upon him such [[stress]] and trolling. He seems to believe that the way prayer should work is the same way a little kid learns to get what they want: by saying "please." To Chris, prayer is apparently like ordering a pizza, and as long as you pray for something, it'll show up for you exactly how you ordered it. Since Chris hasn't gotten exactly what he has prayed for, the fault must lie with God. In a farewell [[Other documents#Epistle to the Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|letter]] meant for his fellow parishioners at Wesley Memorial, he wrote that "God sees fit for some (hate-filled) reason to continue to curse me as a jinx."

On 7 September 2013, Chris cursed God's name on [[Facebook]] after a run in with a [[Jerkop]]:

{{quotebox|1=
God is giving me the Middle Finger yet again! I backed up and scratched a car in El Agave Lot! And she's a damn Smoker! Now the damn Jerkop is giving me a hard time, because I am screaming up at Freaking Emanuel God! I want God to just kill me Now if he is going to keep giving me middle fingers and a damned difficult life!!!}}

He explained the reasons for his disillusionment in a [[May 2013]] letter to [[Kim Wilson|Kim]]:

{{quotebox|1=
Hey, Kim. I have just read over some of the webpage Phil relayed to me. I must admit, and Amy is welcome to read this as well, it took me by surprise seeing the words "Magick" and "Pagan" in this religion(?).

I like magic(k). I have fully accepted Jesus as my savior. And my mother, father, and what I've hear on television, all have informed me about heaven, hell, that the best way to live is as one does without much regret or with moderate acceptance and happiness. And that "God" is within all of us, as energy and direction. And in the end, we all believe in the same God(ess). Yet also, if God is supposed to love us all, why does he let me continue to have a Lot of downs in my life? I often feel temptation towards destroying the Lego Minifigure I have made in an image of God, or otherwise just torturing it. I admit, I am not perfect.

But I prattle or digress.

So, all things considered, Amy, I will be most willing to try your way on, and see how I feel fully about it after. The way I figure it, at least I can still go to my church regardless. :)}}

Soon thereafter, inspired by [[Wikipedia:Futurama|Futurama]], he seemed to divorce himself from a Christian conception of God altogether, choosing to believe in a rather capricious, relativistic deity:

{{quote|The Higher Force above us is Always Messing with each of our individual minds every day, rather each of you call him God, Emanuelle, Zeus, Buudah, or even the individual Destiny of your own. I am Not an Atheist, because I Sincerely Believe in the Higher Force of Above Us, even Jesus may be the Higher Force's Son. But every religion will have you believing in the One Same Higher Force. Right Or Wrong, It is truly set up to each Individual Perception of Every Individual Soul among us the Billions of People on this Big Blue Marble among Marbles in the Universe.|Chris on Facebook, August 2014.<ref>[[August 2014 Facebook Posts#tl;dr]]</ref>}}
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===Goddess Emanuelle===
In [[August 2016 Facebook posts#Goddess Emanuelle|August 2016]], Chris revealed that he thinks of God as a Goddess. It seems to be another result of his gender issues, in which he considers women to be good and men to be evil, and since Chris does not want to think of himself or God as evil, he simply swapped the genders in his mind, making Tomgirl Christine and Goddess Emmanuelle.

==Afterlife==
{{Quote|For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God— not by works, so that no one can boast. For we are God's workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to do good works, which God prepared in advance for us to do.|Ephesians 2:8-10, on the place of good deeds in the Christian faith.}}
{{Quote|Like most people; our souls leave our bodies, we end up in Heaven or Hell depending on our deeds/misdeeds, and possibly Reincarnation.|Chris,<ref>[[Mailbag 30#Questions]]</ref>}} {{clear}}

While the idea of good deeds causing someone to go to Heaven and bad deeds sending them to Hell is not an uncommon one, most Protestant theology explicitly states that the salvation of one's soul is based completely on one's faith. In general this teaching means that one's prior sins (no matter how terrible) can be forgiven by God, and that members of the faith should try to live righteous lives not because it will get them into Heaven, but simply because doing so is morally the right thing to do. The salvation of one's soul through faith is essentially the single point upon which nearly every Protestant denomination is based (as opposed to Catholicism, where one's fate in the afterlife is additionally determined by deeds, self-denial, sacraments and repentence).

Absurdly, Chris has stated that one goes to Heaven or Hell based completely on personal actions. He personally believes he will go to heaven because he's done "[[Common Questions#1 January 2010|a lot of]] [[28 October 2011|good deeds]]". Likewise, he feels that [[homos]] are almost certainly bound to go to Hell, and need to become heterosexuals to "[[Mailbag 18#In which Chris believes he has magic powers (srsly)|better their chances of going to Heaven]]". He has also stated numerous times that he feels [[Clyde Cash|various]] [[Jack Thaddeus|trolls]] are bound for Hell for making fun of people over the Internet. He has suggested that they [[To Clyde and Jack|commit suicide]] so that they might receive their eternal punishment faster.

Further complicating Chris's ideas of the afterlife, he believes in ghosts, going so far as to claim that he might have seen one.<ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing]]</ref>

In 2013, Chris commented that he had considered suicide, but "The only reasons I don't do it are my mother and my dogs, and that premature death leaves one in Limbo."<ref>[[October 2013 Facebook Posts]]</ref> In reality, [[Wikipedia:Limbo|Limbo]] is, in some Roman Catholic views, a state that unbaptised infants were supposed to enter into when they died: happy, but excluded from God due to their original sin. [[Wikipedia:Religious views on suicide|Christian views on suicide]] and the fate of suicides in the afterlife is highly varied.

His belief that suicide leads one to Limbo may stem from the [[South Park]] episode "[[Wikipedia:Death (South Park)|Death]]", in which it is found that the grandfather of a minor character is spending eternity in limbo for having his grandson euthanize him.

In the eulogy Chris made for [[Patti Chandler|Patti]], he wrote that "[Patti] has departed from our world here on earth to a doggy heaven [...] she will run free and play with all the other dogs who are already having fun up [in doggy heaven]."<ref>[[Chris emails 2004-2006#September 2006]]</ref> This suggests that Chris believes that animals (or at least dogs) have an afterlife.

=== Reincarnation ===

Chris has said that he's open to the idea of reincarnation, common in Hinduism and other Eastern religions. In 2009 he stated flatly that he believed in the concept,<ref>[[Mailbag 21#Chris gets a call from The Doctor]]</ref> but in 2014 he seemed more uncertain, writing “It is possible, but I'm not sure.”<ref>[[List of OkCupid Answers#2014 Answers--LevelUpKing]]</ref>. He has yet to offer any criteria for what might cause someone to be reincarnated. While reincarnation was and to some extent is still embraced by a few Christian sects, Chris has nothing to do with them and seems to have lifted the notion from [[anime|somewhere else]].

Chris has suggested that he is himself a reincarnation of various people. In [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'']], Chris's [[Comic Chris|fictional counterpart]] is the reincarnation of the [[ancient leader of the Cherokee Clan]], though he does not appear to believe this about himself in real life. However, during the epilogue of [[Sonichu_12#Episode_26:_Prideful|''Sonichu'' Episode 26]], Chris mentions a real-world dream in which he discovered he had been a (true and honest) [[Homos|lesbian]] hippie who attended [[Wikipedia:Woodstock|Woodstock]] in a recent past life. He credits this dream with his realization that he is a "female soul" and decision to identify as a transsexual as opposed to a [[Tomgirl|cross-dresser]], further calling the psychological validity of his gender identity into question. Besides his own reincarnation, Chris's explanation of [[Liquid_Chris#In_the_comic|what happened to Liquid Chris]] in the ''Sonichu'' canon mentions Liquid's soul being cleared of all memory of previous incarnations before being reincarnated, as what Chris considers an ironic punishment for someone who dared impersonate him.

==Concept of sin==

{{quote|But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you...|Jesus Christ, Matthew 5:44}}
{{quote|I PRAY TO GOD AND JESUS TO [[Death threats|KILL]] [[Jason Kendrick Howell|JASON KENDRICK HOWELL]]|Chris, [[Sonichu Girls]] Forum}}
{{quote|HAVE A GOD DAMN HEART ATTACK RIGHT NOW, THIS VERY MOMENT YOU READ THIS MESSAGE, YOU GOD DAMN BITCHING WHORE!|E-mail from Chris to [[Vivian]]}}

[[File:John Asperchu.JPG|thumb|right|200px|Take note, Chris.]]

Other than vehemently opposing [[homos]], [[trolls]] and [[jerkop]]s, Chris seems to have little notion about the nature of sin and evil except that people who do things he doesn't like should go to Hell. This is completely at odds with the part of Christian philosophy that states all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, and anyone who repents his sins will be redeemed.

Chris's understanding of Christian theology is extremely limited, and he does not seem to know anything about the Bible (although he apparently owns a copy of the New International Version). His homophobia had nothing to do with the prohibitions on homosexuality in the Old Testament, which he was unaware of until he heard about it from ''[[Family Guy]]''. His [[Fapcup|aversion to "spilling his seed"]] and his [[recycling|dedication to the unborn]] have absolutely no basis in Biblical passages condemning sexual immorality and abortion.

When Chris gave in to temptation and cybered with [[Vanessa Hudgens]] in violation of his monogamous relationship with [[Ivy]], Chris made [[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions|a big production]] out of confessing his sin and seeking forgiveness. This suggests that he previously had little to no experience with the idea of repenting sins before God.

Chris clearly does not follow the Christian concept of the seven deadly sins, as he commits [[death threats|wrath]], [[Liquid Chris|envy]], [[obesity| gluttony]], [[monthly tugboat|sloth]], [[Chris and money|greed]], [[virgin with rage|lust]] and [[Chris and his Ego|pride]] constantly.

==Chris and forgiveness==

A major tenet in most any religion you can think of is the act of forgiveness. Unfortunately for Chris, he has [[Autism|no idea of what forgiveness really is]], and will often hold grudges against [[Clyde Cash|anybody]] [[Michael Snyder|he]] feels has wronged him, [[Greene County Conspiracy|sometimes even for years]]. While some may argue that he did show [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha_Retraction|forgiveness]] in a few of his videos, even more will argue that such things were done either under an [[China|ulterior motive]] or is meaningless as he goes on to curse and scream at them later on.

[[This is how the Trial went|During his trial]] on July 10th, 2012, it was discovered that Michael Snyder made an honorable plea that Chris be shown leniency, as a felony was a life-changing event that could really harm Chris in the long run. This comes despite Chris [[The GAMe PLACe#Chris's Attitude at the GAMe PLACe|scaring his customers away]], ''(while he was still allowed in the store)'', [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean#Video|shouting racist slurs at him]], [[Autism Tutorial Part 3|threatening to set fire to his business]], and [[28 October 2011|injuring him with his car]]. This was probably the most extraordinary form of forgiveness that anyone has ever shown towards Chris, even after the latter's horrible actions. Chris's show of gratitude was to go against all common sense and commit ''public slander'' in a court of law:

{{quote|I don't think that [[Michael Snyder|thieving liar]] deserves a [[Monthly tugboat|red cent]]!|Chris, [[This is how the Trial went]]}}

However, Chris has on occasion shown some capacity to genuinely forgive and move on, as shown at [[MAGfest]] where he was seen making up with [[Adam Stackhouse]] (albeit after 11 years).
==Chris the Shaman==
{{quote|The spirit of Patti will have his soul for dinner tonight! She will be haunting your nightmares, Mr. Leary.|Chris, [[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke]]}}
{{quote|1) "Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha" - Placing Bad Luck and Extreme Misfortune on all of those who give me grief or hate. 2) "Forgiveness Blessing" - Cures all ailments of virus or physical qualities. 3) "Hono" - Makes Gays, regardless of gender, become Straight; NEVER to be gay EVER Again. 4) "Peaceful Teaching" - Quells all disputes and disagreements within a 1000 mile radius, and turns all weaponry into dust. 5) "Come to me, my Women" - Locates and attracts 18 to 30-year old single women within a 5-mile radius.|Chris's terrifyingly insane list of "spells", [[Mailbag 23#Chris and the dark arts|Mailbag 23]]}}
{{quote|I pray the soul of my father gives you all nightmares|Chris on using the spirits of the dead}}

[[Image:Ickeriss medallions.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The Medallions serve as Chris's connection to the spirit realm.]]

Despite his professed Christianity, Chris's beliefs and behaviors almost tend towards a sort of shamanistic mindset, where God is a force to be controlled and the Universe can be influenced by various mystic rituals. In Chris's case, he seems to believe that his tirades and tantrums will somehow affect the trolls who torment him. His attacks on the [[Clown Doll]], for instance, are a metaphorical threat, but also suggest an attempt at somehow literally harming the trolls through [[Wikipedia:sympathetic magic|sympathetic magic]], like a voodoo doll. He views his revenge against his enemies in the comic or in ''[[Soul Calibur|Soul Calibur III]]'' as being equivalent to actual revenge, rather than simply venting.

The world of [[CWCville]] is also a spirit realm, where Chris is almighty and can create and shape it as he pleases due to his power of "creativity". It exists outside, but parallel, to the real world, and sometimes Chris seems to honestly believe that it's a real place, even if it's just imaginary. The idea of this spirit realm became more valid when, in a [[Asperchu is a Horrendous Joke|video]], Chris claimed that the soul of his [[Patti Chandler|dead dog]] (now [[Patti-Chan|living in CWCville]]) would devour Alec Benson Leary's soul and haunt his [[dreams]].

While Chris has used the [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha]] in reality, he never took it too seriously, at least until he used it on [[Liquid Chris]] in a video. With the "kidnapping" of Liquid, he then realized that he had "the power" to actually curse people. He also developed a new ability to bless people via the [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha Retraction|Forgiveness Blessings]] skill. He honestly seems to believe that these powers are real, even stating in one video that if it works, then he knows he has "the power." GaoGaiGar fans then promptly wanted to hit Chris for his abuse of [[Wikipedia:The_King_of_Braves_GaoGaiGar_glossary#.22THE_POWER.22_and_Jupiter-X|ZA POWER]]. Chris later stated in a music video that if people antagonize him, they will be cursed, but if you're TRUE and HONEST, you will receive blessings.

[[Image:thoushaltnotsufferacwctolive.JPG|thumb|left||Thou shalt not suffer a CWC to live.]]
Chris ought to be aware that his sorcery is not merely atypical of a Christian, but in fact explicitly proscribed by his faith. [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=galatians%205:19-20&version=KJV Galatians 5:19-20] lists witchcraft as one of the more blatant acts of sin, whilst in the Old Testament, [http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Exodus+22%3A18&version=KJV Exodus 22:18] commands "Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live". That's right, there's a Biblical mandate for Chris's death (and though there is some debate as to whether or not the original terms used refers only to harmful spellcasters, Chris has repeatedly attempted to curse people with things like death and haunting for very petty reasons). Alec Benson Leary, in one of his [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 8|phone calls]] with Chris, attempted to point out the thoroughly un-Christian nature of Chris's dabbling in black magic, but his reasoning appeared to have little effect.

Of course, it is important to remember, even if he did convert to a shamanistic faith, chances are most groups would kick him out just as quickly. Cursing people is one of the few things Wiccans and neo-Pagans are forbidden from doing (at least without good reason), and most, if not all, groups would look down upon his general idiocy and his dabbling into powers [[Slow-in-the-minds|beyond his comprehension]] – not to even mention the fact that neo-Pagans often take a dim view on people who get into religious groups [[Chris and sex#Moral basis on sex and double standards|just to get sex]], without comprehending the philosophy. No matter what, Chris will likely be hated for being an [[Chris and his Ego|egotistical]], [[Women's rights|sexist]], [[Chris and race|racist]], failure.

==Delusions of Godhood?==
{{quote|Fear not. For behold I bring tidings of great joy.|Sonichu, [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]}}
{{quote|I prayed for forgiveness from the real Christian. Sonichu, will he forgive me?|Aspie Sonichu, [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]}}
[[Image:Issue 10 Pg 48.jpg|thumb|Sonichu cracks open his tomb and descends in a beam of light.]]
[[File:EmperorChris.png|thumb|left|All hail Christian Weston Chandler, God-<s>Emperor</s> Mayor of [[CWCville]].]]
Starting on page 42 of [[Sonichu 10|issue #10]], Chris displays a somewhat disturbing twist to the plot (such as it is) of his comics. [[Ultra Sonichu]] frees [[Zelina Rosechu]] from her stony state using his Chaotic powers, then appears to [[Darkbind Sonichu]] with a message similar in tone, if not outright text, to prophecies of the coming of Jesus Christ (complete with arms outstretched as if he were suspended on a crucifix).

Later on in the issue, Ultra Sonichu travels to the world of [[Asperchu]], where the characters of that comic inform him that they were forced into their roles by Alec, and that they had been praying to Christian Weston Chandler for deliverance and forgiveness. Lo and behold, Chris did send the Messiah Sonichu to end their suffering. Sonichu uses the "Chaotic Remedy" to miraculously cure them all of their [[Asperger syndrome]] (even though only Asperchu himself had the condition) and gives them new names and new, "better" looks.

It should be noted that, like Jesus Christ, [[Sonichu]] was born to a [[virgin with rage|virgin]].

Even before this, Chris had directly compared himself to God. In Issue #7, after Christian is lost in the Time Void, [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Issue_7/Page_32 Sonichu says this].

{{quote|In the meantime, he will receive the [[Chris and English|accumilitive]] memories of the passing moments, so in a way, he is looking down on us, like our Lord and God are able to, but the vision may be blurred.|[[Sonichu]], [[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]]}}

Possibly in response to criticism about acting as God, in [https://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Issue_10/Page_61 later pages] Chris addressed the issue of the non-canon Chaotic Combo worshipping him in an incredibly ignorant manner. First, he declares that he is not God but "a servant of him and Jesus", and immediately after goes on to "forgive" Michael (the copycat Sonichu's made-over name) for "baring false witness against <nowiki>[Chris]</nowiki>", as if he has the authority to forgive the breaking of the Ten Commandments, ''like he's God or something.'' In addition, only five pages later [[Angelica]] condemns those who prefer [[Asperchu|Alec]]'s artwork over Chris's as "blasphemous".<ref>[http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=File:SchuComic10P66.jpg Issue 10, page 66]</ref>

Further evidence of Chris's blossoming God complex comes through his answer to some of the frequently asked questions that were put to him via the [[Mailbag]], where he states that he considers Sonichu to have over one billion fans.<ref>[[Common Questions]]</ref> The only other character who can claim such a number is GodJesus (or AllahMuhammad). This mad mentality is compounded by the fact that Chris is like a God to Sonichu; this means that his opinion of himself is that of a God's God. Or maybe a [[Christopher's name change|God's bear]]. Chris moves in mysterious ways.

In his e-mails to [[Reggie Fils-Aimé]] he seems to call himself Jesus: ''"You have my word as an Avid Gamer, Lamb of God, and Humble Human Being that I WILL work Very Hard to Save, Save, Save."''<ref>[[Reggie Fils-Aimé]]</ref> However, this could also be a [[Chris and English|malapropism]] for "Word of God."

Chris might have developed a God complex as early as [[2000]], as the halo floating over his head on the cover of ''[[Christian's Favorite Hits!]]'' seems to indicate.
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==Chris and other faiths==
Given his sheltered existence in the heart of the suburban American South, Chris probably hasn't had much direct exposure to anything but mainstream brands of Protestantism. When his "fans" asked him for his feelings on other religions during an [[IRC (28 December 2008)|IRC chat]], he glossed over the question and simply reiterated his own unthinking statement of faith. At other times, his comments have been scattered and inconsistent.

===Other Christian denominations===
Chris has no connection to Catholicism, which he seems to regard as a benign but alien practice. In his comics, he assigns it to a minor character, [[Angelica Rosechu]], whose faith doesn't practically differentiate her from the rest of the inhabitants of [[CWCville]] - she's still as much of a slut as the rest of her [[Rosechu (species)|species]]. Through Angelica, it is obvious that Chris knows almost nothing about Catholicism and seems to think it's just a variety of Protestantism with nuns - he refers to Catholic priests as [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Angelica_Rosechu|"pastors"] and almost certainly doesn't know the Catholic Bible is different from the one generally used by Protestants. Also, Angelica's home congregation is called "Samuel Memorial United Christian Church," which is about the least likely name for a Roman Catholic church Chris could have come up with. He does, at least, realise that Catholicism is a form of Christianity, although he probably has no idea what its relationship to Protestantism is.

[[PandaHalo]]'s persona was designed to be devoutly Roman Catholic specifically to confound Chris's desire for pre-marital sex with contraception. Faced with this challenge, Chris tried to argue that God really does allows premarital sex because his pastor said so (ironically, deference to a cleric on ethical matters is far more typical for Catholics than Protestants). It didn't even occur to Chris that what his pastor said to him wouldn't apply to a Catholic, because Chris is incapable of seeing things from perspectives besides his own.

Chris has described "[[Wikipedia:Mormonism|Mormans]]" [sic] as not being datable.<ref>[[MySpace messages]]</ref> He has never explained why, but he may have learned through [[Anna McLerran]] that Mormons typically don't date non-Mormons. While it is not clear how much Chris knows about [[:wikipedia:Unitarianism|Unitarianism]] (likely not a lot), he is not hostile toward that sect; [[Jackie]] identified herself as a Unitarian,<ref>[[Jackie#Profile]]</ref> and Chris was not bothered by this (conceivably because he didn't know what it was).<ref>[[Jackie E-mails]]</ref>

Given that he takes his own religion à la carte, Chris is likely unaware of most of the differences between the sects of Protestantism, and the relationship between Protestantism and other kinds of Christianity. He has never been pressed for comment on Eastern variants of Christianity, such as the Eastern Orthodox church, and it is uncertain what he thinks of these sects, or if he's even aware of their existence.

===Judaism===
''See also: [[Chris and race#Jews|Chris and race]]''

"[[A Sonichu and Rosechu Christmas Story]], and [[Sonichu 11]]" reveal that Chris has a somewhat basic awareness of [[Wikipedia:Judaism|Judaism]], probably picked up from watching ''[[South Park]]''. He appears to not understand that Jews and [[Wikipedia:Buddhism|Buddhists]] don't celebrate [[Christmas]], at least not the religious aspects of it. However, in the way he wrote it, it is unknown if he's implying that Christians, [[Hanukkah|Jews]] and [[Christmas#Jolly Buddah (sic)|Buddhists]] go to the same place of worship, or if he's saying they go to separate places of worship and calls them "churches" because his vocabulary is heavily lacking.<ref>In fact, in [[BlueSpike Skype Logs 13#09-02-27|one chat]] Chris has referred to what was most likely a synagogue as a "Jewich [sic] Church".</ref> In [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean]], Chris is being blatantly anti-Semitic by "just throwing it out there" that he thinks Snyder is Jewish, and uses "Jew" as an insult (which he also got from ''South Park''). [[Some Favored Comedians]] is a thinly-veiled furious backpedaling attempt in which he rambles on and on about how he respects Jewish comedians like [[Seinfeld|Jerry Seinfeld]].

===Islam===
In a CWCipedia [[Chris-Chan (CWCipedia)#Chris-Chan the Moralf**|article]], he hints at a hatred of Islam. Although the article primarily exists to deny various accusations trolls have made about him, he does not deny being a "prolific hater of all things not Christian".<ref>[[Chris-Chan (CWCipedia)]]</ref> In all likelihood he knows nothing about Islam or the Quran, and is not known to have ever publically commented on the religion directly.

In November 2017, Chris [[Freestyle Dance With Me, For Our World|recorded a video]] of himself dancing to "Bog je srbin i on će nas čuvati" ("God is a Serb and He Will Protect Us"), a patriotic/nationalistic song written during the Yugoslav wars. "Bog je srbin" would gain popularity in the West in 2014-5, via the "Remove Kebab" meme featuring it, which is most likely how Chris discovered it.



===Scientology===
On 28 [[December 2009]], Chris wrote a blog entry telling [[Jack Thaddeus]] to get out of the closet and "Go Into F***ing Scientology".<ref>[[CWC Blog]]</ref> Following this comment Chris was asked to elaborate his thoughts on Scientology; he said that he neither agrees with it nor disapproves of it.<ref>[[Mailbag 52#Master of diplomacy at work|Mailbag 52]]</ref> His opinion of it has probably been culled from ''[[South Park]]''.

===Non-theism===
Out of all of these sections, Chris's opinion of irreligious people, and atheists in particular, is the most vacillating and incoherent, and also coincidentally one of the best documented.

[[Vivian Gee]]'s belief in [[Wikipedia:Taoism|Taoism]], a non-theistic religion, seemed to be a concept he couldn't process, and even seemed to make him uneasy.<ref>[[Vivitheg's AIM chat]]</ref>

[[Ruckersville, VA|Unsurprisingly]], he doesn't seem to like or trust atheists, but even there, he has a hard time articulating his opinion. When Vivian asked him to explain why he dislikes them, he said, "I don't know, but I do know that they are not believers of God and Jesus."<ref>[[Vivitheg's AIM chat]]</ref> Even from an evangelical point of view, it's hard enough for atheists to try and take [[GodJesus]] seriously enough to believe in them without Chris going around boasting about having the deities on his side as though they were his personal avengers. When asked "You often attempt to scare your [[trolls]] by stating they will go to hell. Some of your trolls do not believe in hell, what do you have to say to them?" by [[Thorg]] in [[Common Questions#09 January 2010|Common Questions 9 Jan 2010]], his response was:

{{quote|Firstly, it is NOT a "scare tactic", [[Chris and reality|IT IS FACT]]. And second, I say "Well, Believe it or not. You are Not Dead Yet".}}

While it might hurt your brain trying to translate that second line from [[autism]] to English, Chris is trying to say that Hell exists, but we haven't experienced it yet because we're still alive. This illustrates that Chris simply doesn't comprehend non-belief in religion, as of course an atheist would not be cowed by the threat of something they by definition don't believe exists. In the [[List of OkCupid Answers|OkCupid]] answers, Chris stated that he would not date an atheist. On the other hand, [[The Wallflower]] told Chris in one of her e-mails that she had no religion,<ref>[[Wallflower E-mails]]</ref> which would most likely classify her as either an atheist, a deist or an agnostic. As the rest of the correspondence shows, Chris was not bothered by her lack of faith and [["Damian Antaria", PLEASE, Don't Leave Me - I NEED YOU!!!|continued to pursue her]]. However, in his later, revised [[List of OkCupid Answers|OkCupid]] account, he states (to the surprise of nobody) that he would be willing to date an atheist if it meant he had a chance at some [[Chris and sex|hanky panky]].

In another sudden turn, in his [[Calling Out]] videos, Chris gives "pizza-faced atheist" as [[Thorg]]'s defining characteristic, with a heretofore unseen vitriol. Then in a later video, he attacks atheism with arguments so silly that even a strawman-using fundamentalist wouldn't use them, and that's saying something.

{{quote|But... I would certainly not want to be an atheist, 'cause if I don't have [[GodJesus|God or Jesus]] at my- by my side, I would be more lost than I was considerably beforehand! Atheists are the [[Beel|Devil]]'s spawning, as it would seem! ...And I would certainly would not want to be amrong- amongst them when they are run out of town with the pitchforks and the [[Chris and English|hace]] and the fire! As a believer... I would either be a [[Chris and Anger|peacem- I would more likely be a peacemaker]], but I certainly wouldn't mind being one with the pitchfork, following the crowd and pushing the atheist out of town!}}

When Chris [[Exposed - Jeremy Slonwhite of Vancouver, BC Canada‎|exposed Thorg]], his reasoning for wanting people to troll Thorg instead of him devolve from "because he's trolling me" to "because he's an 'evil' atheist". The video was removed because it was declared hate speech.

Chris's half-brother [[Cole Smithey]] is also an atheist, although his opinion on this is unclear.<ref>[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref>

===[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]===
During a conversation with the Idea Guy, Chris revealed that he had converted to believing in the CPU Goddesses in Hyperdimension Neptunia<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A]]</ref>.

Among what is known about Chris's newfound religion is that he believes that he is sharing his body with a clone of the CPU Goddess Uzume Tennouboshi. Naming the clone that resides within his body as "Orange Spiral Seal", Chris believes that he has "the powers of the four main Goddesses, as well as [his] own powers."

Another aspect of Chris's new beliefs is a bizarre continuation of his Love Quest. Not only does he believe that he can create a new CPU Goddess From The Ground-Up, but that, with the CPU, he will bring Crystal into reality and create her as a CPU Goddess, saying that is something that GodJesus would never grant to him.

==References==
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==See also==
*[[Angelica Rosechu]]
*[[Dreams]]
*[[Christmas]]
*[[Christian's name change|GodBear]]
*[[Grace Baptist Church]]
*[[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]

==External links==
*[http://store.engrish.com/products/god-jesus-t-shirt Buy your own GodJesus T-shirt here]
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Chris and race

2018-04-06T02:08:34Z

Steampunk Mage: Moved the "Muslim" section to "Chris and Religion" because Muslim is not a race; don't get it mixed up with "Arab"

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[[Image: Niggocwc.jpg|thumb|200px|"[[Song_for_Jackie.MOV|I am not, nor would ever, making fun of any black people living, dead or fiction.]]"]]

'''Race''' is a thing that [[Chris]] has shown a variety of feelings for; unfortunately, they are not always in a positive light.

It is believed by some that Chris's racist tendencies can be traced at least partially to his Southern [[USA|U.S.]] heritage. However, certain other factors seem to imply that the rest of his worldview on race comes from stereotypes depicted by popular culture. In some cases, however, Chris seems to be completely unfamiliar with even the stereotypes.

His racism probably comes from several sources: his parental upbringing, television, [[naïve]]té, and complete ignorance of everything that isn't him.

==Blacks==
[[File:Niggo.jpg|thumb|250px|His rationale for not being willing to date black women is that he's "Old-Fashioned".]]
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Chris demonstrates many instances of intolerance and racism, both intentional and unintentional, towards black people in particular, hence his use of the words "nigger" and "niggos".

Note how most of the [[Jerkops]] in the comic are black.

==Asians==

[[File:0419-ChristianIs17-14.jpg|thumb|Chris standing awkwardly next to some Asians]]

In the [[Sonichu (comic)|comics]], Chris portrays [[Punchy Sonichu]] as a [[CWC Fighter|kung fu]] master with [[Wikipedia:Epicanthic fold|slanty eyes]], raised in a dojo. When a fan criticized this stereotyping, Chris claimed that Punchy was "NOT of Asian origin".<ref>[[Mailbag 6]]</ref> Outside of the comic, Chris also misattributes the origin of kung fu to Japan, when in actuality it comes from [[China]]. He does a racist impression of a Chinese person, and claims Japanese and Chinese people sound the same.<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.5]]</ref> In a [[Katie Bay E-mails|leaked series of e-mails]], it is shown that Chris simply does not seem to know that China and Japan are not the same, as he calls the Japanese account Chinese, failing to realize that they are separate countries with different languages, writing systems and currencies.

In his real-life dealings, Chris seems to have a positive or at least a neutral view toward Asians. He has stated that he would not exclude Asian women from his [[Love Quest]], and at one point [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript#Eating Spaghetti (36:49 - 38:54)|believed Emily to be part-Asian]]. However, he also said that meeting her was like having a [[Sailor Moon|''Pretty Girl Sailor Moon'']] character leap out of his television; a real Asian woman probably wouldn't be pleased to be imagined as animu wank fodder. It is also possible that Chris's view of "white" is simply "a person who isn't black".

Chris also mentioned receiving a graduation gift from Reverend Shin C. Kang (sp?) of Korean Hope Presbyterian Church of Richmond in the [[church audio]].<ref>[http://www.taxexemptworld.com/organizations/chesterfield-county-va-virginia.asp?spg=2]</ref>

[[Manajerks|"Turdijerk"]] from "Off-Target" has a vaguely South Asian appearance and the name may also be based on a stereotype of an Indian accent.

===Ching Chong===
In the [[Captain's Log, Stardate April 28th, 2009]], Chris presents us [[Chris and remorse|sincere apologies]] for having scared a small Chinese girl that [[Ivy]] tutored in art. The child, known only as '''Ching Chong''' (程鍾 ''Chéng Zhong''), is now traumatized due to her witnessing [[April 16 Fetish Vids|a video]] of Chris drinking his own [[semen|"navy"]] while innocently browsing [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]. Chris never made a follow-up on the girl and never asked why her name was a known racial slur towards ethnic Asian communities. Chris also never questioned how a young child could make it all the way to the Christian Weston Chandler pages on Encyclopedia Dramatica without encountering something else as scarring, if not more so along the way. In the [[Wedding Comic]], Ching Chong is seen [[List of Sonichu characters#Ching Chong|as a flower girl]].

==Native Americans==
{{main|Cherokian Clan}}
[[Image:02-Cheroki-Chan Card2.jpg|thumb|left| This has something to do with Native Americans. No, really.]]
As stated in the main article, despite claiming to have at least one [[Ancient leader of the Cherokee Clan|Cherokee ancestor]], Chris is completely ignorant of Native American culture. However, unlike other minorities, Chris's opinions and representation of Native Americans are a misguided expression of "pride" for his "heritage".

In [[Sonichu 2|''Sonichu'' #2]]: [[Sonichu 2#Episode 7: Sonichu in "Anchuent Prophecy"|Episode 7]], Chris tries to tie in his "[[Cherokian]]" heritage with ''Sonichu'' lore. He depicts [[Wikipedia:Cherokee|Cherokee]] characters in his work as white-skinned and blue-eyed, and wearing Ancient Roman-style armor ([[Wikipedia:Joseph Smith|Joseph Smith]] would be proud). The [[Wasabi Clan]] unsurprisingly also bear no resemblance to Native Americans.

Chris has also embodied his ignorance of Native American culture in a physical form. For a brief time, Chris blurred his gender roles and began to collect and customize ''[[My Little Pony]]'' dolls. One of the dolls he crafted was the infamous "Cheroki-Chan", a Native American pony. While there is nothing overtly racist about this abomination, it is probably not how Native Americans want to be represented. In the end Cheroki-Chan is just another Mary Sue for Chris, and pales in comparison to Chris's most infamous portrayal of Native Americans.

In a shocking display of ignorance, Chris attempted to emulate what he perceives as "Native American culture" in a [[War Paint Video]]. In this video Chris wears water-washable paint (and a "[[muscle bra]]") and wields a plastic gun in an attempt to frighten trolls into submission. True Cherokee wore vests most of the time, and there is little evidence to suggest they owned muscle bras. They also notably did not go to war with toy guns, but instead with bows and arrows, which Chris [[I AM STRONG|lacks the strength]] to use.

In a Facebook post, Chris announced that the prostitute whom he hired to be his virgin-taker was part Cherokee, a fact from which he seemed to derive a disproportional amount of pleasure despite the vague implications of [[Crystal Weston Chandler|incest]].<ref>[[:File:Virginbreaker.png]]</ref> It is almost certain that the prostitute mentioned this because Chris did first, believing she would be interested.

==Jews==
{{quote|I hope that God will forgive you for being so heartless and cruel Michael Snyder!... JEW!|[[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|Chris]]}}

Chris displays open antisemitic tendencies, many of which are believed by [[Trolls|Christorians]] to stem from his fondness for ''[[South Park]]''. A similarly [[Obesity|fat]], [[Monthly tugboat|privileged]], [[ego|entitled]] character in the show displays similar tendencies, and given Chris's tendency to copy mannerisms and things from even [[The Adventures of The American Rabbit|the shittiest things he's watched]], it's entirely possible that this is, in fact, the original source (Chris has shown before that he has never been able to comprehend the satire and pro-tolerance undertones of shows like ''South Park'' and ''Family Guy'', even using quotes from ''Family Guy'' in an attempt to justify his homophobia).

Regardless of where it comes from, Chris has a long history of veiled antisemitism. In "[[A Sonichu and Rosechu Christmas]]", Chris describes how Jews living in [[CWCville]] celebrate [[Wikipedia:Hanukkah|Hanukkah]]. On December 12, members of the CWCville Jewish diaspora set up "Menorah candles" (the "Haunaka" Menorah candelabrum has seven candles in it, while the traditional menorah used on Hanukkah in real life, called a ''Hanukkiah'', has nine) instead of Christmas Trees, with [[Wikipedia:dreidel|dreidels]] lying under them. Since the candle-related symbolism is very much present in real-life Hanukkah rituals, it's in good taste to give CWCville Jews anything candle-related as a gift. e.g., when Sonichu's daughter [[Cerah Rosey]] baked cookies for her friends, she decided to make her Jewish friend Kevin a candle-shaped one. Because Jews surely love to be distinguished from other people on any occasions based solely on their faith, and would take deep offense in receiving a normal nothing-special-shaped cookie as a gift! Also, because ''apparently'' Hanukkah is the only Jewish holiday, and so candles (especially single ones not on menorot) are super-important to Jews!

Cerah also makes the flavor vanilla, just in case poor Kevin had any nut/chocolate allergies. Instead of simply ''asking'' if he's allergic, she just assumes it. Because Jews are sickly Melvins with many allergies, you see.

On 25 [[November 2009]], Chris was presented in the [[Mailbag]] with a drawing of a fan made Jewish Sonichu character named Harvey Bulbastein. The character had a large nose and seemed to show a liking for money, evident by him holding a bill in his hand and being the owner of the CWCville bank.<ref>[[Mailbag 3#Jewish stereotypes]]</ref> Chris thanked the mailer for sending him the drawing and said he would consider incorporating the character into his comics, suggesting that the anti-Semitic tone evident in the drawing went over Chris's head. On 18 [[February 2009]], while conversing with [[Julie]], Chris was asked by her to imitate a Jewish person. Chris decided to imitate [[wikipedia:Mort Goldman|Mort Goldman]],<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.5#Geography, Father Talk (00:05:55)]]</ref> a stereotypical Jewish character from ''[[Family Guy]]''.

Near the beginning of Chris's [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|latest]] (unsuccessful) attempt to be unbanned from the [[The GAMe PLACe]], he casually pointed out that Michael Snyder was probably Jewish, using his last name as a point of reference ("Snyder" is a very common German last name, meaning "to cut"). Of course with Chris being the [[slow-in-the-minds|idiot]] he is, it ended with him angrily calling Snyder a Jew. Given the use of the word as an insult, and Chris using it in context with other words denoting a type of sin it shows just how tolerant he is of other religions. In a later video ([[Greene County Conspiracy|100 2178]]), Chris appears to restrain himself from calling Snyder a "greedy Jew".

If Chris's antisemitism was veiled before, it becomes extremely apparent in an email he sent to [[Katie Bay E-mails 2|Katie Bay while impersonating Samantha Thaddeus]]. While talking about Michael Snyder, he refers to him as a "son of a bitch Jew" and a "pigheaded, stubborn Jew".

==Hispanics==
[[File:455-EspanolicAndVegaton.JPG|thumb|left|Espanolic and Vegaton, the only [[Pokémon]] lazier than [[Snorlax]].]]

Aside from his rather tenuous grasp on the [[Spanish]] language, Chris has created a somewhat racist caricature in the form of [[List of cards from The Wall of Originals|Espanolic]]. It's a Grass-type [[Pokémon]] that resembles an anthropomorphized [[Wikipedia:Sombrero|sombrero]] in front of what appears to be the flag of [[Wikipedia:Flag of Bolivia|Bolivia]] or [[Wikipedia:Flag of Ghana|Ghana]], and its main attack is confusing its enemies with its "strange language". Its evolved form, Vegaton, has an attack called "[[Wikipedia:Spanish fly|Spanish Fly]]", that puts its enemies to sleep.

Hilariously enough, [[Nintendo]] would later create similar Pokémon named Lombre and Ludicolo, which, despite being obvious stereotypes, were handled far more tactfully than Chris could hope to do.

So far, the only Hispanic character in the comics is [[Heather Iglesias]], the [[Homos|lesbian]] nanny of [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children]], and then Chris's <s>self-cest</s> children. Chris is probably trying to be inclusive here, but he isn't creative or intelligent enough to think of anything besides a stereotypical occupation for Hispanic women. It also does not help her sentences are random mixes of Spanish and English – and no, not by throwing in a random word or two of Spanish into her sentences, but switching from English phrases to Spanish midway in her sentences (which appear to be Google-Translated).

It may also be notable that oftentimes, Chris refers to Hispanic people as being "Spanish". While not totally inaccurate, the word "Spanish" is usually reserved for people actually from Spain, whereas "Hispanic" is used for peoples from countries that predominantly speak Spanish (a good comparison would be referring to people from the USA as "English").

Chris has shown in the past a willingness to [[Joshua Martinez|befriend]] and [[Lori Lopez|date]] Hispanics.

==Other white ethnicities/cultures==
Chris has not shown outright malevolence towards other white cultures, but is often offensively ignorant of their customs and nations. In [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!]], Chris plays an Irish song while wearing a kilt and pretending to be Scottish, then mentions a [[Wikipedia:Shillelagh_(club)|shillelagh]]. His interactions with [[PandaHalo]] revealed that he knew almost nothing about Australia or Australians, climactically thinking Panda had died in the [[Wikipedia:Black_Saturday_bushfires|Black Saturday fires]] which happened almost a thousand kilometres from where she claimed to live. He holds the bizarre notion that [[Leonard Bearstein]] misinterpreted his name because he was British (certainly told to him by his parents, as he was too young to think that way).

[[BlueSpike#Julie|Julie]] claimed to be from a [[Molvanîa|fictional country]] in Eastern Europe, as did her brother [[BlueSpike#Max|Max]]. Chris hardly asked any questions about this non-existent country, nor did he (or Bob) question the fact that both Julie and Max spoke with American accents. There are of course many other relevant cultures and ethnicities, but owing to Chris's total failure to understand abstract descriptions of places he hasn't been to physically, he is either unaware of or indifferent to their existence.

==Parental influence==
[[Image:GrandWizardBob.jpg|thumb|right|Bob intimidating the trolls.]]

Given that his father [[Bob Chandler]] grew up in the southern [[United States of America|United States]] before the civil rights movement and [[Prank_calls#Call_Bobby_Chandler|has claimed to have acquaintances in the Ku Klux Klan activity growing up]], perhaps he had some racial prejudices that were passed on to Chris. In a [[Prank_calls#Call_Bobby_Chandler|2010 prank call]], Bob said ''"I’ve seen crosses burning, fella. I've seen 'em. And you don’t wanna see it."'' Of course, he was being constantly bothered at by prank callers, and may have just made comments to intimidate them into stop calling him. Chris claims he got a [[Barack Obama|slightly racist joke]] from Bob.

[[Barbara Chandler|Barb]] has not been publicly observed to hold racist opinions, but, as with so many subjects, seems to have done nothing to correct Chris's opinions about it, meaning she is at least guilty of being passive about racism. It is possible that she may have some prejudices not revealed to the public - the Michael Snyder anti-Jew paranoia, for instance, was very unlikely to have been abstractly contrived by Chris, and Barb was an enthused participant.

Also, both Bob and Barb graduated from racially segregated high schools (and in Bob's case, a racially segregated college), suggesting that they experienced racism head-on during their childhoods. Although this does not necessarily mean that they were racists during their younger years, they do seem to have ludicrous hillbillyish ideas about foreign cultures, such as believing and telling Chris that Leonard Bearstein misinterpreted his name because he was English (even though Christopher is an English name), and Bob being unfazed by a [[Julie|purported Eastern European]] speaking English fluently with an American accent. In the same vein, they have both expressed [[Tomboys and Tomgirls of Virginia|anti-LGBT sentiments]], a prejudice usually accompanied by racism. Also, Chris himself is very racist, and he frankly had to learn it from somewhere.

==Chris's ethnic background==
Influenced by his parent's claims, Chris has long asserted that he is of primarily [[Daniel Weston|English]] descent, with some [[Cherokian Clan|Cherokee]] heritage on Bob's side. However, in March 2018 Chris posted the results of a DNA test from 23andMe to determine his ancestry<ref>[[March 2018 social media posts#Apology to jewish people]]</ref>, which showed that he was of ''100% European'' genetic background, with slightly over half of this being British and most of the rest from across northwestern Europe. While these results are certainly not completely accurate, it is unlikely that any legitimate DNA test would fail to detect ''any'' Native American genetic background in someone who is even 1/16 or 1/32 (as Chris has claimed at various points) Cherokee.

The test also indicated that Chris had less than 0.1% Ashkenazi ("ash-KEN-azi") Jewish ancestry. Bizarrely, despite this being the smallest amount that the test considered worth reporting (equivalent to less than a single Jewish ancestor ten generations ago), Chris was fascinated by this result and declared that he was "Fully Observant of [his] Jewish ancestry". This discovery [[Chris and his ego|about himself]] also led Chris to apologize for his [[Michael Snyder|past anti-Semitic remarks]]. However, he also felt the need to publicly declare that he did not intend to convert to the [[Chris and religion#Judaism|Jewish faith]].

Even more strangely, Chris later commented that "[his] report links [his] Ancestry to [[Niggos|Africa]]", despite the fact that the actual report says that he has zero African ancestry. Of course, all humans can technically trace their ancestry back to Africa in prehistoric times, but this is probably beyond [[Random-access humor|Chris's wit]]. Chris may have arrived at this conclusion from his 0.3% Iberian ancestry; [[wikipedia:Iberian Peninsula|Iberia]] is the region of Europe comprised of [[Spanish|Spain]] and Portugal, which he likely [[Honor roll|confused]] with the African country of [[wikipedia:Liberia|Liberia]].

==Chris and stereotypes==
Chris's views of cultures besides Southern white Christians can also be traced to the television he watches. The typical [[Adult Swim]] cartoon includes gratuitous use of stereotype-based humor. Chris takes [[Don't Trust Any Homos Over There|''The Boondocks'']]' satire of black stereotypes at face value. He also portrays nearly every person of African descent that appears in ''Sonichu'' with bald heads and either [[wikipedia:Golliwogg|round, bulging eyes]] or glasses that resemble such. Finally, he does an impression of the stereotypical black accent, which he apparently confuses with the Jamaican accent, in [[Mumble 4]].

His exposure to anime fuels his misguided views on East Asians. Asians, in his views, [[Excel Saga|excel at]] [[random-access humor]] and [[Punchy Sonichu|martial arts]].

Chris, despite claiming [[Cherokian Clan|Cherokee]] ancestry, doesn't seem to know what a Native American even looks like, as he portrays the [[Ancient leader of the Cherokee Clan]] as an overtly European person wearing Greco-Roman garb. He also tramples all over their actual rituals and culture simply to implement the [[Anchuent Prophecy]] into his comic. Chris most likely has no idea what kind of rituals took place in Native American culture. If he did, he would know that some tribes slit their [[duck|cocks]] to [[Chris and religion|please their gods]].

==Not a racist?==
[[Image:ECP 00024.jpg|thumb|left|Chris being a [[niggo|wiggo]].]]
{{quote|And I am NOT racist, and I like Jews.|Chris, in response to a [[Mailbag_6#Rejected_Mailbag|rejected mailbag]] email}}

{{quote|Blacks...are good people too.|Chris, in the [[Song_for_Jackie.MOV|disclaimer for his Mr. Popo video]]}}

Chris does not want to be considered a racist. He claims to respect blacks as equals, saying that in CWCville "they can even vote", but at best he merely tolerates their existence so long as they stay away from him. Or if they can [[Reggie Fils-Aimé|help him get his inane and idiotic video game made]]. Also of note, every single black person in ''Sonichu'' is depicted as a villain, a criminal or otherwise undesirable. However, he does genuinely like two black people: [[My big 18th party (story)|Kenan & Kel]].

He did mention more than once that the reason he doesn't want black girls (but any other race is okay) is because he thinks God told him that his future daughter Crystal must be white, too. In an [[IRC (17 December 2008)|IRC]], Chris said he has no problem with dating an Asian. Later, in [[Mailbag 35]], he wrote he would date "Asian, Native or Hispanic women, as well as women of all other countries" (except the ones being black).

Realistically, Chris's racism doesn't stem from white supremacy, or anything cerebral - it's simply a phobia of people and cultures he doesn't understand. Like most things in his life, [[Chris and reality|Chris has no real knowledge and bases everything off what he's seen on TV]], so Chris's perception of minorities is only what the TV shows him, since encountering them in real life is something that rarely occurs.

===Improved race relations?===
{{Tinyquote|1=Who my nigga? Who my nigga, dog?|2=[[Lars Call|Lars]]}}
{{Tinyquote|2=Chris, [[Wikipedia:Code-switching|code-switching]] in solidarity with the niggas|I'm yo nigga.}}

[[Image:CWCRockin4Way.jpg|thumb|left|Chris does not judge a woman by the color of her skin but by the size of her breasts.]]

An [[CWCRockin4Way.jpg|image]] leaked on 26 [[September 2009]] showing Chris having sex with three young ladies, including an African American woman. In the [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 10th, 2009|Captain's Log of 10 October 2009]], Chris clarified that the woman with whom he's performing sexual intercourse is "Half And Half" (mixed ancestry). This proves to us that, even if he's ready to touch the [[china|genitals]] of a black woman, he is unable to imagine the sexual intercourse with someone not sharing white ancestry. In fact, there's evidence that [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|shared ancestry may be a turn-on for Chris.]]

It seems that the futility of his [[Love Quest]] has lead Chris to lower his ridiculously high standards even further, as he did with fat chicks (which he dropped for [[Sarah Jackson]]), and red heads (as he did with [[Ivy]]).

===Nope, no improved race relations===
[[Image:Chrishunwessonkramer.jpg|thumb|"Fitty years ago you'da been hung from a damn dirty tree!"]]

If anyone had any misconceptions that Chris had evolved into some sort of post-racial autistic, they should be aware that he ended [[Sonichu Day]] by calling Tito a "nigger" in "[[Chris Drops the N-Bomb]]" and in the [[Surfshack Tito E-mails]], making him an official racist. (The repercussions of this event included [[Jack Thaddeus]] removing his ads from CWCipedia and [[Mao]] taking over the site for a short time, leading to a massive amount of vandalism.) He later performed [[Song for Jackie.MOV|a song in ''blackface'']] for his sweetheart [[Jackie]]. {{clear}}

In the new pages of [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]] which were uploaded in 2015 [[Blake]] is mistaken as black, being wished a "happy Kwanza, brother" from an African American, and goes on an angry rant about how his skin in not "sunburn color", he is black because of a mutation. Keep in mind that 2015 is a year in which Chris became more openly "supportive" towards the LGBT community (but not necessarily supportive to race minorities). Given this, it is not unreasonable to assume that Chris is still racist towards black people.

In [[Sonichu 12|''Sonichu'' #12]], Heather once again makes an appearance, switching from English to Spanish randomly throughout conversations – saying "tres", but then saying "two" in the exact same sentence. Her sentences also make absolutely no sense, compared to Chris's previous writing. In one sentence, she says "Russel y Cynthia, me le amo". "Me le amo" seems to translate to either "I love him", or "I love you", later saying "they love their mama con sus corizones". Not only does Chris misspell "corazones", that sentence seems to translate to "they love their mom with your hearts".

Altogether, her sentence appears to be talking about how his offspring got away from her at the festival and the children love the colors. She mentions how Chris is there with his family and how she loves the kids, but they love their "mother" (Chris) dearly, and how she does her best for the kids, ending with a poor translation of "it's okay, I love them".

Whether this poor speech was intentional or Chris thought it would be interesting to have a "bilingual" character isn't known.

==Minority characters in ''Sonichu''==
*[[Kevin the Jew|Kevin]] (Jewish, good but immature)
*[[Ancient leader of the Cherokee Clan]] (<s>Paleface</s> Native American, lawful good)
*[[Wes Iseli#Wasabi Rival|Wasabi Rival]] (<s>Caucasian</s> Native American, evil)
*[[Sarah Nicole Hammer#Queen of the Cherokian Clan|Queen of the Cherokian Clan]] - (<s>white-washed</s> Native American, good, probably the whitest of all Native American characters in the comics as she's not only blue-eyed but also blonde)
*[[Manajerks#B-Manajerk|B-Manajerk]] (black, evil)
*[[Barack Obama]] (half-black)
*Blake (black, evil turned good)
*[[CADD Chef]] (black, evil)
*[[Florance Fisher]] (black, good)
*[[Jerkhief]] (black, lawful evil)
** Occasionally other [[Jerkop]]s are shown to be black as well. No other minorities are apparent.
*[[Punchy]] (East Asian, good)
*[[Silvana]] (black, evil [said to turn good])
*[[Manajerks#Turdijerk and Trebor Capman (Accomplice)|Turdijerk]] (Indian?, drawn with tan skin, evil)
*[[Constables Gerald Grant and Louis Perez|Constable Louis Perez]] (black, TRUE and HONEST police officers)
*[[Inos]] (black, [[tobacky]] smoker)
*[[Heather Iglesias]] (Hispanic, lesbian, good, <s>never seen</s> debuts in ''Sonichu'' #12)
*[[List of Sonichu characters#Dr. Bill Schwartz (Bill the Scientist)|Bill Schwartz]] (possibly Jewish, worked for [[Giovanni]] but later on changed sides)
*[[List of Sonichu characters#Ching Chong|Ching Chong]] (Asian, appeared in the [[Wedding Comic]] as a flower girl)
*PHI Spring Break reporter (Black, appears in [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]]) - despite only appearing in one panel, Chris manages to make her into a stereotype, addressing the audience as "sistas and brothas".

In the [[Mailbag]], when Chris is confronted about the lack of minorities in his comic he claims that all of his [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]] are considered "minorities" in CWCville, implying that he completely missed the point of the question. Despite being minorities, the Electric Hedgehog Pokémon group never experiences discrimination nor prejudices in the comic; [[homos|that's saved for another minority in CWCville]]. Chris would probably not tolerate human versions of these characters being anything but white.

==Sources==
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{{Chris and}}

Talk:Chris and remorse

2018-01-26T16:31:46Z

Steampunk Mage: /* Chris and improvement */

For the third quote, the one under the "Rationalization" heading-- where is that from? What specific act did he perform that needed to be apologized for?
[[User:Sygerrik|Sygerrik]] 16:10, 4 November 2009 (CET)
:Sorry, forgot to add the link to that one. Anyways, that was Chris almost apologizing for trying to trick Kacey into coming to his house by impersonating Liquid.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 16:28, 4 November 2009 (CET)

Maybe mention his lack of shame regarding all the leaks on the net? Most people would have disappeared long ago. [[User:JohnnyA|JohnnyA]] 16:39, 4 November 2009 (CET)
:I think that really demonstrates a lack of shame more than a lack of remorse.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:08, 5 November 2009 (CET)
::Yeah, I just thought maybe you could tie it in. [[User:JohnnyA|JohnnyA]] 05:35, 5 November 2009 (CET)

Maybe also mention how he only apologized to The Game Place because he wanted to buy some Eye of Judgment cards. --[[User:Sack Thaddic|Sack Thaddic]] 18:36, 4 November 2009 (CET)
:<s>Is there an E-mail or something that backs that up? If there is it would be excellent evidence that Chris only issues apologies when you have something he wants.
:Granted, the thing he usually wants is China.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:08, 5 November 2009 (CET)</s>
::DISREGARD THAT I SUCK COCKS. One of these days I'll learn to search before I talk. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:13, 5 November 2009 (CET)

"Never mind that no mentally healthy adult human actually behaves this way, at least not in public view." (regarding the [[April 16 Fetish Vids]]) Far be it for me to defend the inbred, self-important manchild, but 1) I'd sure as shit do all that for a girl and fuck you if you say the majority of you wouldn't, and 2) he didn't do it in public view—the video was released without his knowledge or consent. I don't want to go all moralfag and I really don't give a shit if people want to publish lies and half-truths to piss him off, but this even contradicts the explanation in [[April 16 Fetish Vids|the entry]] that "[t]he footage was released by the miscreants on 16 April 2009." —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 23:25, 15 November 2009 (CET)
:You would take a video of yourself wearing a diaper, while alone in your room just to appease some chick? Damn dude. What the hell kind of girls are you into?--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 22:39, 16 December 2009 (CET)
* He's got a point, though. Chris never intended for the videos to be shown publicly, it wasn't like he posted them directly to YouTube for all to see. -[[User:Needlepants|Needlepants]] 06:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
**Line removed. and now that I've taken this bold step in not offending diaper perverts, I'm wondering why none of the people who actually cared changed it. This is a wiki, you know.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 16:52, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
==Autism and remorse==
It's actually a common trait of autism to lack empathy, which is why someone who is autistic would have trouble showing remorse. This should be noted in the article. Otherwise, decent article - I was afraid this was going to be an armchair psychology article with whoever started this article's opinions on why Chris is fucked up but it actually documents pretty well the major occasions Chris has lacked empathy. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:16, 7 November 2009 (CET)
:I need to do some serious cleaning up in this article. I'll be sure to mention those points. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 19:31, 12 November 2009 (CET)
I'm no expert, but should it be said that there's a difference between empathy and compassion? According to my understanding (brace for tl;dr): empathy is understanding what others are thinking and feeling at that moment, whereas compassion is caring about other beings. One could not have much empathy, in that they cannot perceive/understand what another person is thinking or feeling; but they could also be compassionate in that they truly do not wish to hurt other people, despite being "clumsy" emotionally. Naturally, Chris has neither. --06:09, 12 February 2010 (UTC)
* Going by that, Chris would at least be somewhat compassionate. It's not too far-fetched to think that Chris truly likes his parents, his pets, and his sweethearts (mostly Megan), albeit in his own awkwardly-expressed way. Those strange ways are magnified by his utter lack of empathy. Think of the bull in the china shop, if the bull was just stuck with a stock prod. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 06:29, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

==I'm Sorry, Now Give Me Money==

What the fuck? Is that for real?! My god, he threatens to kill, then wants to swindle her out of money? My GOD! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 04:25, 15 November 2009 (CET)
:I'm pretty sure Vivian wouldn't lie about this sort of thing. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 04:29, 15 November 2009 (CET)
::So typical of Chris. This is not the last one we will see. He will ask for his share of profit over anything produced with the name of Sonichu. Besides, we all know what "Sorry" means for him:"Forget what I have done and give me stuff!". I wonder if I had some sympathies left for the Man-child before I saw this. Now I know (none). [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 04:48, 15 November 2009 (CET)
:Oh, I know she wouldn't, but still, I'm surprised Chris would go so far as to use extortion! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:02, 15 November 2009 (CET)

::I don't believe it was supposed to be extortion - Chris had no actual power in that situation and doesn't seem to think about consequences or how one pattern of behaviour links to another. I would guess that the death threats and asking for money were completely separate acts to be looked at independently of each other. In Chris's eyes, at least. I apologised, so it never happened. - [[User:Liquid!|Liquid!]] 21:29, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

== Antisocial personality disorder ==

I have a feeling that Chris suffers from [[Wikipedia:Antisocial personality disorder|antisocial personality disorder]], whose diagnosis criteria detail many of the characteristics that Chris exhibits.

{{quotebox|The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders fourth edition, DSM V, a widely used manual for diagnosing mental disorders, defines antisocial personality disorder (in Axis II Cluster B) as:

The essential features of a personality disorder are impairments in personality (self and interpersonal) functioning and the presence of pathological personality traits. To diagnose antisocial personality disorder, the following criteria must be met:

A. Significant impairments in personality functioning manifest by:

1. Impairments in self functioning (a or b):

a. Identity: [[Chris and his Ego|Ego-centrism]]; self-esteem derived from personal gain, [[power]], or [[China|pleasure]].

b. Self-direction: Goal-setting based on [[Love Quest|personal gratification]]; absence of prosocial internal standards associated with [[Chris and the law|failure to conform to lawful]] or [[Attraction sign|culturally normative ethical behavior]].

AND

2. Impairments in interpersonal functioning (a or b):

a. [[Chris and death|Empathy]]: Lack of concern for feelings, needs, or [[Ryan Cash|suffering of others]]; lack of [[remorse]] after [[Gal-pals|hurting or mistreating another]].

b. Intimacy: Incapacity for mutually intimate relationships, as exploitation is a primary means of relating to others, including by deceit and coercion; use of dominance or intimidation to control others.

B. Pathological personality traits in the following domains:

1. Antagonism, characterized by:

a. Manipulativeness: Frequent use of subterfuge to influence or control others; use of seduction, charm, glibness, or ingratiation to achieve [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|one's ends]].

b. [[List of Chris's lies|Deceitfulness]]: Dishonesty and fraudulence; [[Alec Benson Leary calls|misrepresentation of self]]; embellishment or [[Chris and reality|fabrication when relating events]].

c. [[Chris and remorse|Callousness]]: Lack of concern for feelings or problems of others; lack of guilt or remorse about the [[SheCameForCWC.jpg|negative]] [[Twin Falling Towers|or harmful effects]] of one's [[Megan Schroeder|actions]] [[Kacey|on]] [[The Wallflower|others]]; [[Chris and anger|aggression]]; sadism.

d. Hostility: [[Michael Snyder|Persistent or frequent angry feelings]]; anger or irritability in response to [[Kick the Autistic|minor slights and insults]]; mean, nasty, or [[Death threats|vengeful behavior]].

2. Disinhibition, characterized by:

a. [[Father Call|Irresponsibility]]: Disregard for – and failure to honor – [[Chris and money|financial]] and [[Chores|other obligations or commitments]]; lack of respect for – and [[Jackie e-mails|lack of follow through]] on – [[Kacey calls|agreements and promises]].

b. Impulsivity: [[Mary Lee Walsh|Acting on the spur of the moment in response to immediate stimuli]]; acting on a momentary basis without a plan or consideration of outcomes; [[Stress|difficulty establishing and following plans]].

c. Risk taking: Engagement in [[Un-clit 2.0|dangerous, risky, and potentially self-damaging activities]], unnecessarily and without regard for consequences; boredom proneness and thoughtless initiation of activities to counter boredom; lack of concern for one's limitations and denial of the reality of [[14 Branchland Court|personal]] [[Chris and health|danger]].

C. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual's personality trait expression are relatively stable across time and consistent across situations.

D. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual's personality trait expression are not better understood as normative for the individual‟s developmental stage or sociocultural environment.

E. The impairments in personality functioning and the individual's personality trait expression are not solely due to the direct physiological effects of a substance (e.g., a drug of abuse, medication) or a general medical condition (e.g., severe head trauma).

F. The individual is at least age 18 years.}}

- [[User:Makuchi]] 17:33, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

== Chris and improvement ==

I was thinking about possibly adding a section to this article about Chris' current willingness to improve on his character, as well as his apologies to people he previously wronged. I also feel that some of the information regarding his apologies could fit into the "Chris and kindness" article. If there is too much information regarding this topic, we should probably make it into a new article called "Chris and improvement" - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]
* Improvement? Chris? I don't know what standards you're going by, but the whole time I've watched Chris he's only gotten worse rather than better. In minor, technical ways his art got better from Issue 0 to Issue 1 but as for his politics and attitude he just seems more sickly and lethargic, not meaningfully 'better' in any way. Going from homophobic redneck to "lesbian" "transwoman" LGBT rights type is a lateral move at best. [[User:Nate-Kar Sonichu|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Nate-Kar Sonichu|talk]]) 08:02, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

*I never really said that Chris was improving. In fact, I don't think Chris is really getting better, at least not by a whole lot, I'm thinking more about adding info regarding his willingness to getting better at life in this article, and explaining all the ways he fails at it. If you don't know what I'm talking about, a few very good examples of this behavior can be illustrated in the [[Bryanfrogboy]] article, where he legit feels sorry for everything he ever did over a comic. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

*Are either of you guys completely sure he hasn't improved? What about his decrease in rage? While it's not completely gone and while the possible reasons for the lack of rage isn't clear, I think it's more than a minor insignificant improvement, since anger was one of Chris's most self-destructive flaws, as seen in examples such as the Encyclopedia Dramatica drama leading to the public posting of ShecameforCWC.JPEG and anger toward Liquid Chris impersonating him leading to him impersonating him back to make Kacey his sweetheart. [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 16:31, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

White knight

2018-01-26T02:28:54Z

Steampunk Mage: /* The trolling helps Chris and, indeed, others */ Added possibility of Chris's self-improvements inspiring hope in other people.

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{{quote|Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?|[[If You Were a Woman and I Was a Man|Bonnie Tyler]], "[[Holding Out for a Hero]]"}}

[[Image:Jack's Knight as William Spicer.jpg|thumb|right|180px|Artist's impression.]]

'''White knight''' is a term used to describe someone who goes on [[the Internet]] to help or defend someone else against other people, out of [[CWC is Sad|pity or compassion]], or for [[China|ulterior motives]]. White knighting of [[Chris]] is especially prevalent because of the sheer volume of abuse he's taken ever since he found his [[Encyclopedia Dramatica ]] page, which in turn is caused by Chris's total unwillingness to heed any of his many white knights.

'''Counter-trolls''' are those who take Chris's side to spite his [[trolls]]. Some do this because trolling one gullible idiot is less satisfying than trolling trolls, who actually have the ability to understand what is going on. Others have decided that Chris has jumped the shark and are trying to make everyone else leave him alone to put a stop to an old meme. Counter-trolls are not to be confused with [[anti-troll]]s, who fight trolls in order to get closer to Chris and troll him themselves.

In the broader internet trolling community, a wide range of people, from neutral observers to even his greatest trolls, are accused of being white knights. This is mostly due to Chris's "fans" discouraging [[Weening]] and [[A-Logging]], acts which, to outside observers, could be misinterpreted as an attempt to reduce trolling. Many of these outside observers are also confused by the tendency of Chris's trolls, including his most [[Vivian Gee|prolific]] [[Clyde Cash|ones]], trying to get him to improve his life, as they don't know Chris well enough to know it's nigh impossible to get him to improve using the "soft touch". So when the label "white knight" gets thrown around, take it with a grain of salt.

A meta-topic within the broader Chris saga has been the merits of attempting to help Chris stop being a lolcow, and whether he is deserving of such assistance, or even beyond help. Once upon a time, the consensus on forums such as the talk page for Chris's ED article, [[/cwc/]], [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens (message board)|PVCC]], and [[Sonichu (IRC chat)|#sonichu]] was that Chris's [[racism]], [[Homos|homophobia]], and [[Chris and his Ego|narcissism]] made him beneath contempt; and that he has consistently refused to take advice given to him in good faith.

Today, however, Chris's racism and homophobia are slowly ebbing away along with his parents' influence over him, and A-Logging is no longer as fashionable as it once was. Accordingly, nowadays, opinion on the matter is somewhat divided on whether Chris is capable of improvement, although most agree that if Chris is going to improve, it will not be in any large part due to the efforts of third parties because, in the main, he is still too proud and stubborn to accept advice.

Some believe that Chris is improving on his own, albeit slowly and in small increments, as seen in his gradual abandonment of his homophobia, which began with him declaring tolerance for lesbians, which he eventually extended to gay men. Others believe that Chris has not tangibly improved, that he has merely moved sideways, rather than forward. Many of these believe that Chris cannot improve, for example, his [[tugboat]], his public misadventures and the thorough documentation of his sordid dealings online make employment all but an impossibility for Chris. Many more quibble over what can be defined as Chris "improving". Some have proposed that Chris improving need not necessarily mean becoming a functioning adult, which at this stage would be an uphill battle for Chris anyway. Rather, they claim that Chris is improving in that he is happier than he once was. He has found [[Impulse Gay Social Club|a new hangout]] where he stands to improve his social skills and make friends. Moreover, he has finally found a way to cash in on his e-fame, delighted his fanbase by resuming the comics ''and'' made his dreams of a Sonichu media empire a reality, albeit probably on a much smaller scale than he once envisaged.

In any case, the consensus on white knights and counter-trolls has remained somewhat consistent; they are and always have been seen as wasting everyone's time by trolls and Christorians alike, who accordingly have little patience for them.

==Motives==

===Pity===
Following the release of Chris's first [[nudes]] and the [[Chris Chan Update 21 October 2008|video]] in which he reacted to the loss of his [[medallion]]s and [[Blanca]], many people, including trolls, felt sorry for him. They had not expected it to be possible for him to be trolled so hard or for him to appear so shattered.

===Empathy===
The internet is full of [[autistic]] people, manchildren, and self-absorbed morons. Many of them are right here, fascinated with Chris. All of them see something of themselves in him, whether it's his [[obesity]], his all-consuming need for female companionship, or his fervent belief that his homemade comics matter. A lot of white knights have made at least some of the mistakes Chris has made and have since wised up. They think they can help improve Chris by offering the benefit of their experience.

===Circumstances beyond Chris's control===
Chris fails to identify people, a possible sign of [[Wikipedia:Prosopagnosia|prosopagnosia]]. [[BlueSpike|Julie and her brother Max]] used the same voice, and yet Chris couldn't recognize that they were the same person. Pictures of different women were used to depict Blanca, and yet Chris thought they were the same person. Chris believed that pictures of [[Wikipedia:Megan Fox|Megan Fox]] were of [[Vanessa Hudgens]].<ref>[[Vanessa AIM Chat 9|Vanessa AIM Chat IX]]</ref> In high school, Chris memorized his appearance in the mirror because he had trouble recognizing himself.<ref>[[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] - [http://thedailypos.org/misc/sonichu/Issue%207/SchuComic8Page24.jpg "...I had to train my brain to visually remember what I looked like..."]</ref> Since he's never "updated" his self-image, this is a possible explanation regarding why he denies being fat.

Chris' autism also means that he thinks, and sees the world, in simplistic, binary terms; he cannot easily "read between the lines" or detect sarcasm, or practically any kind of nuance or subtlety. He interprets ''[[Family Guy]]'' as being against homosexuality.<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate March 10th, 2009]]</ref> When 2 male acquaintances exchanged sarcastic homosexual remarks, Chris concluded that they were gay.<ref>Anecdote by [[Mimms]].</ref> It is also thought that his decision to go [[tomgirl]] was at least partially due to him taking advice to "get in touch with his feminine side" literally.

===The trolls are even worse people than Chris===
Another frequently heard line of reasoning is that the trolls have gone way too far, and have demonstrated that they're even worse than Chris, or at least equally pathetic. For example, BlueSpike's sadistic abuse of his control over Chris [[BLUESPIKE#Encyclopedia_Dramatica_Troll_War|outraged even trolls]]. The [[JULAAAY|less sophisticated]] bulk of the trolling was the work of A-Logs and weens, who are frowned upon even by trolls, and rightfully so. And, of course, who really has no life here: Chris, or the people who [[CWCki|obsessively document and debate everything he does]]?

===For the sake of [[Barbara]]'s sanity===
At this point in time it is safe to say that Chris's remaining parent has been just as fatigued as Chris by the actions of trolls. Some argue that Snorlax should not have to suffer for his wrongdoings, and therefore think that Chris should be left alone just so she can enjoy the last few years of her life in peace.

==Reasons against white knighting==
===Chris could have ended the trolling whenever he wanted to, but didn't===
All Chris had to do to end the trolling was to stop responding to it. If he had taken this small step, [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] would've made his ED page and that probably would've been the end of it. The first trolls had nothing personal against Chris; they just decided he was a worthy target after reading his [[Sonichu (comic)|crappy ''Sonichu'' comics]] and seeing him go into a meltdown over his ED page. If he'd quit responding to their provocations and quit posting [[12 October 2009|videos of himself throwing tantrums]] on [[YouTube]], the trolls would have eventually just moved on to someone else. Instead, Chris tried to "fight back" against them, in turn revealing more and more of his personal information, until eventually the trolls knew all of his contact info and all the details of his life.

That was when the trolling went past a point of no return, spilling into Chris' personal life so much that there would be absolutely no way for him to ever disassociate himself from it. Even when he was away from the computer, he would find himself subjected to trolls calling his cell phone, sending him mail, and following him around in public. While the obsessive trolling was nothing less than shitty, the fact still remains that Chris was the one who allowed them to have such control over his life; thanks to him always overreacting to every little provocation and handing over all his personal information to them.

There is also the theory that Chris does things for trolls to mock him merely for the attention.

===Chris lacks empathy himself===
:''See also: [[Chris and death]], [[Autism]] and [[Chris and his Ego]].''
Chris cannot put himself in your shoes or accept that you have been where he is. He has no "theory of mind": if you used to be as shy around women as he is today, in his mind the fact that you aren't shy anymore makes your experience inapplicable to his situation. To Chris, the fact you got over it and he hasn't yet makes the two cases entirely different. He doesn't want to solve his problems by trying what worked for you, he only wants you to pity him for having problems, until he magically dreams up [[Dating education|his own solution]]. In recent years, many have even began to opine that Chris doesn't even ''want'' help; as can be observed in his frequent outbursts on Facebook, what he really wants is to exploit his own misfortune to get pity, attention and gifts. It is also theorized that helping him is pointless because Chris is well-known for always wanting to have his [[Cakefarts|cake]] and eat it. Even if he woke up tomorrow morning and found that all of his dreams had come true, he'd still concoct new grievances.

:'''RocketFox:''' My father died of liver cancer and cirrohosis a day ago ;~; he drank a ton and it hurt him - I'm only 11 and I dunno what to do ;~;
:'''Chris:''' RocketFox, you will soon recover from your father's accident, I guess it is; DO NOT DRINK Alcohol yourself; STAY OFF THAT JUNK.<ref>[[IRC (16 October 2008)]]</ref>

Chris's interpretation of the death of RocketFox's dad as an accident shows that he didn't even bother to look up what cirrhosis is. Immediately after this, he started talking about a sexy dance. And 8 months later, he was filmed enjoying some [[Long Island Iced Tea]].

Chris's reactions to suicide are very telling. After hearing that he caused [[Ryan Cash]] to die, Chris marveled at the fact that he had incited suicide, right after he tried to publicly console [[Clyde Cash]].<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate December 28th, 2008]]</ref> When he heard that he made [[Sarah May]] attempt suicide, his reasons for her to stay alive were "I'd feel terrible" and "I'd just cry."<ref>[[Mumble 8|Mumble #8]]</ref><ref>[[CWC Shout Out to Sarah May]]</ref> When Chris broke up with [[Ivy]], he somehow concocted, in his head, an assumption that she had committed suicide. Even after having lost so many dear friends to suicide, he still had no problems telling Clyde and [[Jack Thaddeus]] to [[death threats|kill themselves]]. People who have had to deal with suicidal people, or have lost relatives or friends to suicide wouldn't exactly find this amusing.

In the [[Common_Questions#22_February_2010|22 February 2010]] edition of the [[CWCipedia]]'s "Common Questions", Chris listed the top ten worst things to have ever happened to him. The deaths of "two True and Good Women who [he] had friendships with," [[PandaHalo]] and [[Sarah Jackson]], ranked seventh. Those tragic events ranked below getting banned from [[The GAMe PLACe]], finding out two people from said store were posting info about him on ED, and having his personal websites hacked.

On 1 [[November 2009]], Chris went as far as to mock '''9/11''' (more on ''that'' video can be found in the "Chris is beyond pity section").

When Rashid Ali Abdul, an Iranian [[fan]], told him that her country's religious authorities sentenced her to death by beheading for reading ''Sonichu'', Chris simply said that he was "sorry" and that the situation was "pitiful".<ref>[[Mailbag 8|Mailbag #8]]</ref>

While some of this can be attributed to Chris's [[autism]], a condition that often results in a lack of empathy, most autistics can at least learn how to express empathy through a combination of carefully reading the emotions of others and thinking about how a situation affects other people, but Chris refuses to seek serious counseling or psychiatric help for this sort of thing, and was clearly given little-to-no help with his autism as he grew up.

===Autism does not excuse a terrible person===
Chris knows he has trouble understanding non-verbal social cues due to his autism,<ref>[[Quizzes#Autism Quiz]]</ref> and yet he still jumps the gun on interpreting other people's intentions all the time.

Autism, in and of itself, does not create a failure as massive as Chris. A majority of autistics manage to get psychiatric help for their problem and/or are able to develop social and emotional skills so they can cope with their disability and lead rewarding and rich lives. While Chris acknowledges he has a problem, he has never done anything more than see the [[Rocky Shoemaker|pastoral counselor]] at his church, who is not a professional trained in the treatment of autism spectrum disorders, and whom he eventually dismissed anyway.<ref>[[Vivian's AIM chat]]</ref>

After he [[26 December 2014|maced a GameStop employee and said it made him feel "badass"]], a deeply concerned troll going by the name Renee tried to convince him to go to see a psychiatrist. In response, Chris took this as a personal insult, and wished "Renee" and her boyfriend a slow demise in a house fire. Not only does this demonstrate that Chris holds his ego in higher esteem than his mental health, but it is also quite staggering that he would wish death in a fire upon someone [[Destruction Of Chris's House|''after he narrowly escaped the same fate'']]. Moreover, it is worth noting that Chris remembered that Renee had told him in the past that she already had a boyfriend. Compare his reaction to this well-meaning request from Renee, to his compliance with more bizarre requests from, say, Jackie. This shows that regardless of who you are or what you want to say, Chris only cares to listen to you if you have a [[china]] and aren't already taken.

Chris is fully capable of understanding the consequences of his actions. He has a sense of morality, even if he often ignores it in favor of his own interests. He has been held accountable for his own actions in a court of law, twice (and rightfully so). His racism and chauvinism have nothing to do with his autism.

===Chris is beyond pity===
[[Image:Chrischantwoface.jpg|thumb|right|Chris's mood is all over the place, even between videos posted shortly after each other. From "[[Happy Sonichu Day|Thank you for your support]]" to "[[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|Goddamn womanizing raping...trollin' stupid pickle-suited...'''nigger'''!]]"]]

Chris often reacts to provocation aggressively, which is quite an understandable (if not acceptable) response to trolling. However, "provocation" doesn't necessarily mean harassment or trolling. Merely disagreeing with Chris's opinions, asking him why he does what he does, or as evidenced above, trying to expose him to reality can provoke an attack, up to and including threats of violence and death. When Chris is annoyed, frustrated, or overcome by desire or lust, he's capable of doing [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|''unpleasant'']] things. Moreover, when Chris loses it, he doesn't think of the consequences of his actions at all, and his expressions of outrage are completely out of proportion to the provocation — often more outrageous in themselves than whatever the trolls did. Chris believes that since he is reacting to being "wronged" by someone else, his actions, no matter how extreme they are, are justified.

Chris has [[Yu-Gi-Oh!|insulted young children]] during card games and scared some of them away from [[The GAMe PLACe]]. [[Mimms]] and [[Lucas]], who frequented the now-defunct store and knew Chris in real life years before he was discovered by ED, couldn't list any redeeming qualities he possessed.

Chris has sexually harassed [[Megan|two]] [[Catherine|women]] in real life. The former made it explicitly clear to him that his inappropriate touching and comments to her were unacceptable, but he continued anyway, convinced that eventually she would learn to love being molested by a mentally ill manchild and would become his [[sweetheart from the ground-up]]. He ''bragged'' to the latter about how he learned to keep his hands to himself after the fallout with Megan, then faceplanted her breasts.

After Megan cut ties with Chris for uploading [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|a drawing of him fingerbanging her]] to his ED page, he did not apologize,<ref name="Megan Saga">[http://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Chris-chan/Megan_Saga Megan Saga]</ref> but rather explained to her (in a terribly [[naïve]] way) how a handjob works, under the misguided assumption that she merely was upset because she didn't recognize the sex act being performed, or in the hope that she would rationalize what he did on this basis. When this failed to placate her, he then had the nerve to say "I am hurting SOOOOO MUCH MORE than you can be."<ref name="Megan Saga"/> Why? Not because of the picture, but because the trolls were being mean to him. Yes, ''[[Ego|him]]''. Based on [[List of Chris's ED edits|his ED edits]], he was more concerned with people thinking he was fingering his [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|imaginary twin sister]] than he was with defending Megan's honor.

Years later, Chris would go so far as to totally demonize Megan for rejecting his 'good intentions', posting her address up on his [[Facebook]] profile in the hopes that trolls would find it and punish her for him. On 3 and 4 October 2013, he took this even further, posting [[October_2013_Facebook_Posts#Megagi_La_Skunk_agrees_that_you_should_have_never_been_born|an unbelievable multi-part tirade]] about Megan on Facebook, wherein he accused her of being the leader of a vast troll conspiracy against him and claimed to have consorted with a ''[[Chris and reality|fictional]] [[Megagi La Skunk|character]]'' Megan once made for him, who supposedly told Chris that Megan [[Sandy|should never have been born]]. As if this wasn't enough insanity on its own, Chris then went on to claim he had confiscated the [[Sailor Megtune]] superpowers he had given her in the comics, and proceeded to demand that Megan fix his entire life, or else he would sic the spirits of his deceased father and dog on her.

Chris has even started up [[List of Chris's Lies|false]] [[rape]] claims against his [[Bruce Johnson|elementary school principal]]. That alone should warrant anybody to not defend him ever.

After each of his online relationships ends, Chris starts looking for a new [[sweetheart]] right away, ''even if she died''. No matter the setback, his ego just keeps getting bigger.

In mid-July 2009, he addressed a person named [[The July 10th Messages|"SonichuIzCool"]] on YouTube. SonichuIzCool is probably the ''only'' genuine fan of ''Sonichu'' discovered to date, someone who tried to defend Chris and his comic. She was also genuinely mentally disabled. In his YouTube message, Chris called her "naïve and [[slow in the mind]]." He told her she had to "come out where [he] can meet [her]." Another side of this incident is that his YouTube account had been recently hacked, and he had managed to recover it this time, thus avoiding whatever damage the trolls ''might'' have caused. Poetically, after he posted this video, he got his account suspended due to ''his own actions''. SonichuIzCool didn't step down, and responded back with a video that criticized his actions. To date, Chris has never issued a response to that, thus meaning he was dismantled by a slow-in-the-mind.

On 1 November 2009, in his attempt to blackmail Clyde Cash, Chris went so far as to create a YouTube video called [[Twin Falling Towers]], wherein he ''mocks 9/11''. When feeling angry at Clyde Cash, he not only thought it would be a good idea to blackmail him, but used the ''destruction of two skyscrapers full of people after being hit by airliners full of jet fuel and terrorists'' as a metaphor for how weak he thought Clyde was. He even used his mouse cursor as a "plane" and made childish explosion noises. When people got angry, he tried to fix things by turning the World Trade Center towers into [[Cakefarts|cake]] candles. To the best of anyone's knowledge, Chris was never coaxed or encouraged by an outside source to use the Twin Tower images. He came up with this reprehensible idea all on his own.

[[Image:MikesWedding.jpg|thumb|right|Happily forever after.]]

In January 2010, a "fan" named Mike Jackson asked Chris for advice, whether he should [[Mailbag 31#If your kids are 16 or 17, you should watch porn with them|watch pornography with his family]] and [[Mailbag 35#In which Chris advises a father to buy his son whores|buy a prostitute for his son]], Mike Junior, or not. Chris, being such an [[Dating Education|"expert"]], encouraged him to do so. When "Mike" got back to him, the news wasn't good; Mike Jr. ran away with the prostitute, and Mike Sr. begged Chris to make a [[YouTube]] video asking his son to come home. Unfortunately, Chris was under a lot of [[stress]], and could not make the video. Chris was next contacted by Mike's "wife", who told him that after discovering that Mike Jr. had married the prostitute in Las Vegas, Mike Sr. died from a sleeping pill overdose. Chris didn't even give a damn about the obituary linked by Mike's widow, offering her his infamous canned response in lieu of even pretending to give a fuck, then later responded to Mike's son's grief and anger with all of three words: [[Chris and remorse|"I am sorry."]] When called out later, he denied having ever spoken to Mike, much less read his obituary. While this was all obviously trolling, Chris's nonchalant reaction to his hypothetically ruining someone's life and tearing their family apart doesn't exactly paint him in a good light.

In the post [[Tomgirl_Saga| Tomgirl saga]] world of Chris some trolls have shown remorse over past trollings of Chris. Some cite Chris' new minority gender identity and his infamous autism as reasons to be more sympathetic to Chris. However, Chris has never shown respect for other transgendered people, but has been outright transphobic [[Doxing Jeff/Francine|by refusing to acknowledge their identity]] or [[I Am me; He is not| using slurs against them]]. This does not stop Chris demanding that people respect his new found gender identity without a hint of self-awareness. Chris has made it clear he doesn't have respect for others even if they share very similar problems or experiences like him. Even post tomgirl Chris has also gone on record refusing to date anyone transgendered or with autism. Chris hates those who are similar to him [[Chris and hypocrisy|for bringing his insecurities and imperfections to light and will lash out at them for it]].

Further adding to this short-lived newfound pity towards Chris was the [[26 December 2014]] incident, from the way in which he conducted himself, commanding employees "[[Chris and negotiation|Don't call anybody!]]" and generally behaving as if [[Chris and reality|he were]] [[Chris and his Ego|answerable]] [[Chris and the law|to no-one]] [[Chris and religion|throughout]], to macing a GameStop employee as he walked out out of the store. This is just after Chris [[I Love You, Catherine|supposedly fell]] [[To Mr. Smith|into a depression]], and the fact that he quickly bounced back with an act of astounding [[Ego|hubris]] and [[Naive|stupidity]] shows how little of pity most people had for him prior to that point. The revelation that Chris was in jail awaiting video court two days later was received with relief, and hopes that he may finally be forced [[Chris and remorse|to]] [[Chris and anger|learn]] [[Chris and his ego|lessons]] [[Chris and reality|he]] [[Chris and psychology|should've]] been taught three decades ago.

Any reason you might could find for believing you can save Chris is only fooling yourself. Chris has willfully chosen to become a leech on society and any of many people listed on this wiki who had taken pity on him. He goes from person to person and community to community only to take what ever he feels entitled to from them, and then throw a temper tantrum when they expel him for unacceptable behavior. To illustrate this point, many of the people Chris has hated the most were not trolls or cruel to him, but simply had gotten in the way of things he wanted regardless if it was intentional or not. For example, [[Wes Iseli]] for dating a girl he liked, [[Adam Stackhouse]] for winning a contest he wanted to win, or [[Mary Lee Walsh]] for prohibiting his [[attraction sign]] on campus. This is a cycle that anyone who has followed Chris' misadventures is familiar with, and it is safe to say your efforts to change or help him will be no different. Chris needs professional and perhaps Institutional help. Anonymous strangers, as well-meaning as they may be, are not equipped with the proper recourses to help Chris, especially as Chris continues [[List of places that have banned Chris| to get banned throughout Charlottesville]] many times without the help of trolls or weens.

===Chris cares only for himself===
Chris spends [[monthly tugboat|your tax money]] on luxuries and steals from his parents to buy [[PSN|random video games]] he'll never play, and even DLC for ''games he doesn't own''. He has the basic skills necessary to hold down a job, so long as it doesn't require him to do much interacting with other people. Programs exist specifically to find appropriate jobs for the mentally challenged, but Chris hasn't even tried since being fired from [[Wendy's]]. He's never going to get a job now, of course - what with [[Chris and the law|his various run-ins with the law]], [[List of places that have banned Chris|his growing local reputation for public tantrums and violence]], his social security, and the fact that he's in his thirties, and [[Wendy's|has only been employed for a month or so]] in his entire life, over a decade ago - but he missed a lot of opportunities while it was still possible. Had he made the right choices, he could've been on a career path and out of his ancestral cesspool by now.

Further reinforcing his selfishness and laziness, Chris and his family strongly agree it's better for him to hole up in his room and get paid for doing absolutely nothing than to accept the challenge of finding gainful employment in the real world. This is based on the false assertion that Chris can earn more on disability than from a job. By taking advantage of the government through vastly exaggerated claims of [[Autism|an easily manageable illness]] which they refuse to help Chris treat, Chris's parents are assured a steady income in the form of his room-and-board payments, and don't have to worry about [[Chris and the Law|Chris getting in trouble with the law again]] when he has another breakdown in public.

His steadfast belief that he can get more money by doing nothing as opposed to getting a job is best underscored in his in [[April 2017 Facebook posts#Chris explains why he won't get a job|an April 2017 Facebook post]], where he explains why he refuses to get a job.

One of his real-life friends tell him that there are services that help people like him get a job, and says she was able to land a job through those services. Chris replies saying that he's too prone to anxiety and shock, and a troll responds that the very fears of getting a job that he's describing are actually very normal for people new to the workforce. She later tells him concerning his refusal to get a job that it's OK as "Not everyone wants to work," but clarifies that "it's OK not to work when you don't need money." That, however, never crosses Chris's mind, and [[Financhu Crisis|considering the Chandlers' financial problems]] that they're in.

But just in case you needed any solid proof of Chris' outright selfishness, it basically came straight from the horse's mouth during his trial. When asked if he understood that he'll be paying his court fees:

{{quote| "Yes. My mother will be taking care of that." |Chris.<ref>[[This_is_how_the_Trial_went]]</ref>}}

Keep in mind that the money being used to bail him out of a mess that he caused is coming out of an ailing old widow's purse while Chris [[Chris and Money|nonchalantly throws his own money away]], as evidenced by his PSN activity mere months later. Also, in 2013, [[Facebook#I_have_had_more_freedom_when_my_father_was_alive|he further hammers this point home]] by complaining about having to take care of Barb with Bob's passing, concerned more about his free time and Michael Snyder taking his money away.

===Chris is not a good net citizen===
{{quote|I will have NO DISCUSSIONS GOING ON BEHIND MY BACK ON MY OWN WEBSITE WHATSOEVER!|Chris, on reader participation via [[Twitter]].}}
Chris is more concerned with spreading his own [[honest content]] than being a good net citizen. On the internet, his demeanor is comparable to that of a spammer: who cares about things like terms of service and account suspensions and masses of pissed-off people as long as his message gets through? He won't participate in the communities of the sites he posts on. This is not mere ''passivity'' in those communities, which is generally tolerable; he ''deliberately opposes'' such participation. Most people, while not bothering to contribute to communities, would at least not make deliberate efforts to hinder them. On [[deviantART]], [[YouTube]] and [[Flipnote Hatena]], he disables all comments, probably because he knew he'd not get any praise anyway, yet this ignores the fact that open commenting is part of the nature of these sites and disabling comments should be done only if it's being used for flagrant abuses of the system, like spam, excessive trolling, and votebotting. He regards YouTube purely as a video publishing venue and not as a tool for engaging in discussion with his "fans". He created his [[Wikipedia]] user page purely to spread his own message, and did not come to the site to participate in building an encyclopedia. If the site owners block him, he just comes up with another account or a sockpuppet. Thoughts of apologizing, getting old accounts reinstated, or the possibility that people who block him might be trying to send him a message never cross his mind.

Chris's behavior on the CWCipedia provides many more examples of his selfish attitude, such as the banner ad crisis in late 2009. He doesn't understand what it ''really'' means that the website is neither hosted nor paid for by him personally, and what sort of things the administration typically does on a website like his. He can't or won't understand simple principles like "webhost's house, webhost's rules," or "beggars can't be choosers," but instead believes that since the site has his name on it, it should be run according to his every demand.

===Chris will reject your advice===
[[Image:0231-MrsSanfordsWiseWords.jpg|thumb|right|What are you going to tell Chris that his [[Virginia Jeanine Sanford|favorite teacher]] didn't tell him 20 years ago?]]
Someone [[White knight E-mails|carefully explained to Chris why he is a sexist]]. In response, Chris got angry. He is only interested in a guide on how to attract women without first making any changes to himself. Most ridiculously: he denies being [[Obesity|overweight]].

If you ever get some free time, read Vivian Gee's AIM chat. Vivian actually used to be a counter-troll, and warned Chris several times that PandaHalo was a troll. Chris fell for Panda anyway. She then tried to talk some damn sense into him over AIM. But Chris proved to be so goddamn stubborn, she actually tossed the towel and became a troll out of spite. In her words:

{{quote|i've tried for 3 hours now; it's like fighting a wall, i can't beat the wall no matter how hard i try.|Vivian, thoroughly summing up how it feels to try to smack some sense into Chris.}}

Not only has she long since joined the troll ranks, but Chris even began [[Sign Destruction Video|berating and sending threats]] to the woman who was once his biggest defender ever.

===Chris will reject your disclosure of the truth===
* [[Hanna]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Lori Lopez]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* Blanca was the name of more than a few trolls, and Chris fell for it.
* PandaHalo was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite Vivian's warnings.<ref>[[Vivian Gee E-mails]]</ref>
* [[Robert Simmons V]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[JK Productions]] was a troll pretending to be an entire video game development company, and Chris fell for it.
* Sarah May was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Sarah Jackson]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* Julie was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* Ivy was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite warnings from the counter-troll that must not be named.
* [[Vanessa Hudgens]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Emily]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Kacey]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it. She also married [[Liquid Chris]].
** [[Father Call|Kacey's dad]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Jackie]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it. [[February_2012|Twice.]]
* [[Catherine]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it, despite [[Anna McLerran|Anna]]'s warnings.

See a pattern here? Back in the day, Chris would've simply dismissed any attempt to open his eyes to the obvious as an attempt to "ruin his relationship/business partnership for the lulz".

As of 2012, however, it seems that Chris has done a 180 on this, where, out of [[Autism|sheer paranoia]], he believes that anybody<ref>[[:File:Fbp10.png]]</ref> and everybody<ref>[[:File:Fbp6.png]]</ref> is a troll, even when he has no sane reason to reach that conclusion<ref>[[:File:Koreans.PNG]]</ref>.

Surprisingly, even in [[2014]], it was revealed that his latest girlfriend, Catherine, was a troll construct. While [[CWCki Forums|the community observing Chris]] are [[Trolls#Today|no longer impressed]] by such [[weening]], it still shows that even after almost a decade of trolls leading him around by his [[duck]], Chris has learned absolutely nothing.

===Chris's normal life is often weirder than the trolling===
Chris won't take your advice, so he will fall for trolling. Trolls do some ''bizarre'' things and Chris believes almost everything. But even if Chris had no white knights or trolls, his life would still be out of the ordinary.

The things Chris achieves when left to his own devices are sometimes even more jaw-dropping than what the trolls think up. His previous brushes with [[Jerkops|authority figures]] and his [[Attraction Sign|creepy]] [[Fridays After Five|behavior]] during his outside leisure time are good examples.

===Chris asks for it, and always recovers===
Hellbent on spreading his version of the truth because he's TRUE and HONEST, Chris cannot realize that his edit warring on Encyclopedia Dramatica was practically a squeal begging for more trolling.

[[wiktionary:TMI|TMI]] is a tactic Chris uses that backfires without fail. Since Chris insists on revealing the most minute details of his life to everyone he meets, the trolls always get more information to fuel further acts of trolling. White knights cannot stop our hero from being honest.

Chris doesn't get embarrassed either. Oh, his nudes and [[Recycling|lewd acts]] are all over the internet? No big deal! [[Captain's Log, Stardate April 28th, 2009|All adults do that kind of thing]], so what's the problem?

Chris managed to fully recover from the depressing [[Chris Chan Update 21 October 2008|21 October 2008 video]] mentioned above (and quite quickly, too) and proceeded to fail even harder for months. Likewise, despite professing great emotional distress, he bounced back from [[CWC is Sad|the loss of Kacey]] in [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|a matter of hours]]. He even bounced back after being [[Mumble 9|verbally abused by a room of trolls]], one of whom went so far as to tell him to go kill himself. Whatever the trolls say or do to Chris, he always does or says something worse to someone else, and he always bounces back anyway, so what's the problem?

[[Image:Chriscash.jpg|thumb|right|180px|True, true.]]

===Chris has made himself an outcast===
High school and college are where people are given their first and often only chance to become a functioning part of society. They gave Chris an even greater chance because he's autistic. They lent him a friendly, caring hand and opened themselves to his friendship, males and females alike. And what did Chris do? He ''refused, by choice,'' to associate with anyone who wasn't [[Gal-pals|female]], [[Pedofork|young]], [[Chris and race|white]], in the [[Charlottesville]] area, and [[Barbara Chandler|willing to mother him forever more]].

When [[Mary Lee Walsh|the dean]] gave him a chance to reform his behavior, he kept going with his bullshit, threw a particularly bizarre tantrum in her office, and was rightly kicked out of [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] for a full year. What did he learn from that? He learned that Mary Lee Walsh was an evil hag with a personal vendetta against him. He was given ''several'' chances to learn that his loitering and soliciting were not appropriate behaviors in a public place, and what did he learn? He learned that mall cops are Jerkops, that [[Virginia is for Virgins]], and that his [[Love Quest]] was [[Ego#Paranoia|a matter of him against the world, with the world as the antagonist]]. After he was kicked out of The GAMe PLACe (where he was again given far more leeway than most people ever would have been given, due to Snyder's misguided pity for him), he was barred from his last hangout in Ruckersville that was still open to him.

Now, it's too late for Chris. He has been offered friendship and care time and again, and every time without fail, he drives his friends away with his entitlement, his perverse, bizarre, bellicose behaviors, or his inappropriate sexual advances, or, failing that, he will dismiss them for trying to get him to improve himself or behave like a responsible adult. While he has began frequenting [[Impulse Gay Social Club]] in recent months, and could potentially make friends there, many Christorians believe it is merely a matter of time before history repeats itself and Chris alienates himself from the other regulars.

Complain as he might, Chris's own actions have made him an outcast, and since he refuses to accept this, much less attempt to improve himself, an outcast he shall remain. Try as they might, neither white knights nor trolls have the power to save Chris from his delusions and cognitive dissonance, only he does.

===The stresses of white-knighting===
In order to get close to Chris, white knights have to spend at least as much time and effort as trolls to keep up-to-date on his activities. Most have to lie and pretend to be a single girl to even capture his attention. This, combined with Chris's habit of pushing away anyone who tries to connect with him, is enough to make any sane non-psychologist crash into slumber.

===Chris will not even read your message===
The spam filter is a powerful innovation of good ol' America Online. Any e-mails sent to his address will be left unread and deleted. Even back in the days of the [[Mailbag]], any emails submitted to it, if they even got published, would've been [[Mailbag 29|given one-word replies and ignored]].

===The trolling will not cease===
Even if white knights get to Chris somehow, there is no endgame in which Chris will be free from trolls before his death.

In school, Chris was trolled by his classmates. He was even trolled by one of his [[Joshua Martinez|real life friends]]. In college, he was trolled by friends who grew sick of his bullshit, and by [[Anna McLerran|girls]] [[Hannah|annoyed]] by his "attraction methods" and rampant, unabashed sexism. If Chris quit the Internet tomorrow, he would still be trolled by a society that refuses to tolerate ignorant manchildren flouting its rules.

If everyone trying to create his next fake sweetheart suddenly got bored and quit, Chris would unconsciously attract new trolls to take their place, and we all know weens are more than willing.

If Chris isn't assigned a custodian after Barbara dies, his story will probably end when he falls victim to some con artist who swindles him out of his monthly tugboat and perhaps his home. If Chris does get assigned a custodian, he will continue his antics until the custodian kicks him out or bans him from the internet. If the custodian bans Chris from the internet, that's Chris trolling himself.

If Chris ends up in prison (again) he will be trolled there as well, and that's if he's lucky.

If the entire world reforms and decides to leave Chris alone, his own sense of victimization will override any benefit. Consider that Chris felt persecuted simply by observing [[JERKS|males who had more success than himself]]. He regards legitimate assertions of authority as rank brutality. [[Adam Stackhouse]] managed to upset Chris to a degree that Christorians still find especially impressive, and he did it without even knowing that Chris existed at the time. Bleak as it is, unless Chris embarks on a program of radical self-improvement, and manages against the odds to shake off both his legions of abusers and seamy reputation, he will forever feel like a thoroughly-kicked autistic.

===The trolling helps Chris and, indeed, others===
If Chris were just some random nobody on the Internet, he'd be doing nothing but playing vidya and occasionally drawing unsellable art until Barb died. He'd remain without social skills, a job, success or future.

Instead, Chris's antics have become a cultural phenomenon that, without exaggeration, is something extraordinary, unique, and which likely won't be replicated in any shape or form for years to come. Chris has long secured his place among such luminaries as [[wikipedia:Time Cube|Gene Ray]] and [[wikipedia:John Titor|John Titor]], and unlike Gene, you can actually comprehend what Chris is saying most of the time. Chris's interactions with the world through his websites and YouTube have drawn in a considerable number of people from around the world who are participating in an unprecedented, continual piece of performance art of a kind that would have been unheard of only a few years ago. He brings entertainment to thousands of people all over Earth, an accomplishment that most could never dream of achieving--the kind of thing that would give Dane Cook a stiffy just to consider. His internet fame is actually a sort of success in its own right, and ''may'' bring him further success. There are thousands of people out there that are so fascinated by him that they study and document his life on a daily basis.

One could argue that if Chris eventually "retired" from this comedy act by actually coming to terms with his problems, seeking professional help, and completely reforming (and selling media rights to his life's story to the highest bidder, like all sensible people would do), he could live the rest of his life secure and probably moderately well-off. The audience would give him a standing ovation for entertaining them for as long as he did, and move on to the next piece of tragicomedy brought to us by the emerging Web technologies. We have seen far more messed-up celebrity stories already; Chris's tale is at least quite different from the norm and engaging.

What's more, the trolls provide him with an actual social outlet to learn and grow, even if he generally opts out of doing either. Instead of being an unemployable, fat bedroom-dweller that nobody has ever heard of, he's an internet-famous unemployable, fat bedroom dweller, and this by itself increases his chances of getting friends and a girl. He may even end up employed, too, possibly appearing in an advertisement or sponging off royalties from any biographical medium, whether it be a book, movie, or TV series. He could even [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys (album)|become the next William Hung]] if he put half an ounce of effort into it.

In fact, recently, Chris seems to have latched onto the idea of monetizing his e-fame, which he has managed somewhat successfully. It started with him being paid by a Japanese noise band (albeit a really obscure one) to produce artwork for their album cover (that didn't feature Sonichu or himself for a change) in early 2015, for which he received $50. At around the same time, he started making replica [[medallions]], taking commissions, and, a little later, making custom Sonichu Amiibos, all of which sold fairly well on [[eBay]], particularly the medallions.

In [[August 2015]], Chris did what no-one had thought he would - he resumed work on the Sonichu comics, asking for donations in exchange for releasing new pages, at a price of $10 per page. He even redrew some of the old comics to be a [[Chris and anger|little more]] [[Death threats|tasteful]], for example retconning the infamous gory executions of the Asperpedia Four in the original version of [[Sonichu 10]] to banishment to an Amish community and forced marriage. Many on Kiwi Farms applauded his resumption of work on the comics, a move they had long suggested. It was predicted that the comics would be a better earner for Chris than the relatively unsuccessful botched Amiibos; although no-one could have forseen [[Autism|one person paying Chris $1000]] - which translates into 100 pages worth of new Sonichu comics - meaning Chris gets money for toys, weed and hormones, while we get new content, and the pleasure of watching the fallout <s>if</s> when Chris fails to produce that many pages. It should of course go without saying that Chris's merchandise is bought ([[Kenneth Erwin Englehardt|almost]]) exclusively by trolls, Christorians, and the rest of his "fanbase", as the fragile, low-quality crap he churns out has no value to anyone else. All in all, Chris is finally cashing in on his e-fame, which may someday lead to him "making peace" with his tormentors, and recognizing that he has a somewhat symbiotic relationship with them. Which of course, renders white knighting essentially redundant.

Another important point to remember is that Chris's perversions, flaws and constant failure have made his life into something of a cautionary tale to other autistic people, and he has inspired [[Autism#Chris and other autistics|hundreds]] of them to self-improvement. In addition, Chris's self-improvements, from his decrease in anger to his reconciliation with some of his enemies, could potentially inspire hope in other people, such as by thinking if Chris can improve, then so can they. Really, no matter how dire his circumstances come to be, he's accomplishing a pretty good thing here.

===Chris treats "fans" and white knights like crap===
If you try to white knight him, his response is merely to block you on Facebook and never respond. He accuses practically all white knights of being trolls. Quite ironic, isn't it? He screams "I'M STRAIGHT!" when you tell him up front that you're a guy. When you tell him his current "girlfriend" is actually a troll, he'll accuse you of wanting to "break up the relationship for the lulz." He'll be rude, won't listen and won't read between the lines. He will always bite the hand that feeds him, so you should just let him wallow in [[You know what, I HATE ME TOO|his own self-loathing]].

{{quote|Whatever.|Chris' [[Mailbag_29#Whatever|1-word response]] to a fan leaving him, a social worker concerned about the [[Chris_and_health#Living_conditions|state of his house]], and a fan concerned about [[Chandler_Cats#Kitty|one of his cats]].}}
{{quote|You can go f*** yourself.|Chris' [[Mailbag_43#Go_Fuck_Yourself.2C_too.21|response]] to constructive criticism about [[Chris_and_copyright#Chris.27s_views|copyright]].}}

Chris doesn't treat his so-called "fans" much better. Even aside from the SonichuIzCool incident mentioned above, Chris has severe problems answering questions from his fans, and will often react in a hostile manner to everything he sees as negative or offensive. His Mailbag is the most obvious example. He hates being corrected, and tenaciously clings to his misinformed beliefs; his insistence that Asperger's Syndrome and autism are unrelated is a good example of this. When, or if, he's having a good day and manages to answer questions from fans at all, he often gives them very brief, one or two word answers that do not elaborate on anything, or outright ignore parts of the question. Not only is he terse, he's also slow to act; for example, it [[Brutal Legend Plus|took him three days to realize]] that a [[Brutal Legend|video he uploaded]] had no audio on it whatsoever. He also promised that [[Sonichu Fan Promo|a spectacular fan creation]] would be officially featured in the ''Sonichu'' comic, and it ultimately was, ''over a year later''.

Most webcomics have a specific schedule that they have decided to follow. Many webcomics fail to live up to them, some less, some more, some for good reasons, some have no excuse whatsoever. Chris didn't have a set schedule for the comic for the longest time, but then agreed to update the comic on a daily basis, a schedule which even the most well-funded webcomic artists would consider particularly demanding. In February and March 2010, there have been few updates to the comic. When the inevitable complaints about schedule slip started to come, Chris snapped at his fans by saying that inspiration takes its time, forgetting that it was ''he'' who decided daily updates were the way to go. As the "Great Director Chandler", he could have the power to decide what schedule to follow, but instead, he chose to attack his fans.

===Chris's upbringing doesn't justify his actions===
The shitty way [[Borb]] raised him may be an ''explanation'' for why Chris is so fucked up, but it's not an ''excuse''. Plenty of people have bad childhoods, and abusive or incompetent parents. However, these people don't use that as an excuse for whatever bad things they do. As these people get help and move on, Chris, on the other hand, remains dependent on the same people who screwed him up, and doesn't even try to move past his childhood. Instead, he escapes into a world of fantasy and pornography, and when confronted by reality, he will use all the mental gymnastics at his disposal to twist reality to resemble how he wants it to be. There's also the fact that [[Cole Smithey]] grew up in the same household with the same parents, and yet he lives a relatively normal life. Meanwhile, Chris behaves like an overgrown child, draws art on par with that of elementary schoolers, is chronically in trouble with the law for his persistent failure to regulate his own behavior in public, and generally is extremely antisocial.

===Chris's life would still be a disaster even if the trolls never bothered him===
Today, Chris is a total human trainwreck, slowly losing the last of his sanity as each day goes by. While the systematic trolling of him throughout the last few years has doubtless contributed to his degrading mental state (especially his extreme paranoia and distrust for almost everyone), the fact still remains that his life's horrible state is mainly caused by factors outside of the internet. He would still be a lonely outcast, as his poor upbringing gave him such warped views of the world and led him to engage in such bizarre behavior that he drove away every person he tried to connect with. He would still be living in unsanitary conditions due to Barb's hoarding and the fact that his house has not been properly cleaned in the better part of a decade. He would still be banned from most of his favorite hangouts due to his loitering and hostile behavior to other patrons. Also, at the core of it all is how Chris decided that he would be better off living off government handouts while he sits around playing with toys and video games instead of getting a job and heading down a career path, which would have been his one-way ticket to escaping the cesspool that is [[14 Branchland Court]] and living a fulfilling life, not unlike that of his half-brother. Instead, he decided to remain dependent on his elderly, emotionally disturbed parents; look how well that's working out for him.

True to his word, Chris all but abandoned the Internet between [[July 2012]] and [[2013]], save for sporadic ramblings on Facebook. Despite this, quite a bit was revealed about how well he was doing independent of troll influence. He [[Other_documents#Epistle_to_the_Wesley_Memorial_United_Methodist_Church|alienated himself from his church]], earning a ban from the new pastor (undoubtedly because Chris wouldn't shut the hell up about the trolls). After being banned, he even dismissed Rocky as an effective counselor (keep in mind that Rocky once bailed him out of jail, which is quite an extraordinary act of kindness, counselor or not), and went so far as to accuse [[Chris and religion|God]] of being a troll. He continues to this day to describe his life as isolated and lonely, with nobody willing to talk to him, a scenario many have tried and failed to warn him about. He even earned some ire from Anna, his biggest white knight for [[Facebook#Gay_Marriage|making anti-homosexual statements]] on his Facebook page, he even chose to argue with her instead of trying to piece together why a lesbian friend of his would find such statements offensive. As a coup de grace on all of this, Chris ended up trolling himself in the grandest fashion by revealing an [[Facebook#Imgur|Imgur account]] made of all of his previously hidden Facebook posts, despite trolls (save for the one who started it) being completely in the dark about it.

Even if all of that doesn't convince you for some reason, consider this: Chris came ''this'' close to being thrown in jail on [[28 October 2011]], and it's possible he'll end up there at last with the more recent [[26 December 2014]] incident, both of which involved the assault of innocent retail workers trying to protect their customers from him. Both times, he did this on his own initiative, with no prodding from the trolls. And make no mistake, ''everyone'' was thoroughly disgusted by Chris's actions, none were eager to defend his pepper-spray assault on an innocent employee, even those who helped support his [[Sonic Boom Protests]] before.

If we were to be extraordinarily generous and assume that none of the disasters which have befallen Chris since the trolling efforts began in earnest would otherwise have happened, the facts ''still'' indicate that Chris's life would have been a complete mess. Chris was discovered by the internet at large in late 2007, by which point he had already been suspended from college, and banned from the [[Fashion Square]] (twice), along with his local branches of [[Wal-Mart]] and [[Target]], only avoiding criminal charges for the ruckus he caused at the latter because the state didn't feel it was worth the effort to pursue the case. As recently as two months before the "official" start of the trolling of Chris, he was making death threats against Adam Stackhouse and his preteen sister, for the former's unwitting disruption of Chris's plan to lose his virginity with Megan, something that she had made clear she had no interest in doing. It may be a depressing conclusion to arrive at, but there's never been anything that anyone outside of the confines of 14 Branchland Court could have reasonably done to prevent Chris's life from being a trainwreck.

===Chris's white knights are making him worse===
A quick glance at the comments on his Facebook statuses should confirm this. Even after he ''committed a felony'' by assaulting a GameStop employee with pepper spray on Boxing Day 2014, then posted a long-winded, obviously dishonest tirade painting himself as an innocent victim on Facebook, none of his white knights offered anything more than a softly-worded, mild condemnation of his behavior. [[William Elliott Waterman|Some]] avoided a direct response altogether, and made some barely relevant comment that conspicuously avoided the main point of Chris's self-serving drivel, probably a feeble and misguided attempt to defuse his [[Chris and anger|rage]].

And this is how his white knights react whenever he gets angry about having to face the consequences of his own behavior. It's painfully clear to Chris's trolls and other observers that his white knights are woefully ill-equipped to deal with Chris. The reactions his tantrums garner from them clearly indicate that they remain ignorant (passively or otherwise) to facts that most learned long ago; namely, that the "soft touch" has never worked with Chris, and only serves to reinforce his [[Chris and reality|belief]] that [[Chris and his Ego|he should be given whatever he desires]] (he is even openly stating that he is ''entitled'' to a girlfriend), and allowed to do as he pleases, while [[Barbara Chandler|others]] shield him from the [[Chris and the Law|negative repercussions]].

Chris's white knights also habitually feed Chris's belief that his trolls are subhuman bullies who simply want to see him destroyed in every conceivable way because he's such a special, brave little boy. While this is arguably [[A-Logging|true of]] [[Weening|some]], for the most part, Chris's trolls are just as interested in seeing Chris improve himself as white knights are, if not moreso, even if many are beginning to doubt such a thing is possible. Indeed, many of the female troll personas who "date" or "befriend" Chris have tried to help him see the error of his ways and reform, and continue to do so. It is partially due to the influence of Chris's white knights, who foolishly (and often futilely) try to root out these trolls, that these attempts to help Chris never result in lasting, positive change on his part.

In short, most of Chris's white knights are attention whores, sycophants or both. To these people, going on a witch-hunt for trolls is preferable to actually trying to help Chris, something which, ironically, even Chris's trolls continue to try to do.

==Examples==
:''Read: [[White knight emails]]''

===White Knights on YouTube===

Among the most notable of Chris's white knights was a [[YouTube]] counter-troll who claimed to be a 21 year-old Russian model named Svenka. Via her YouTube account, [http://www.youtube.com/user/hottiee96 hottiee96], she released an inordinate number of screencaps from troll conversations on [[Sonichu IRC]], including private conversations between Chris and Panda. She also released an image of the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] who would later steal Chris's first date, [[Emily]]. Were Chris less thick-skulled and even slightly willing to accept irrefutable evidence, Svenka may have made somewhat of a negative impact on the organized trolling effort against Chris, but ultimately she was ineffectual. Svenka also had a unhealthy obsession with the [[CWCville Library]]'s original curator, Arjen Van Dierten.

On 6 [[May 2009]], YouTube user xThexPinchx/NorthxStar7/[http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePinchisDaBomb ThePinchisDaBomb] tried to blackmail major trolls, claiming to have information on them. He was easily called on his bluff by someone who had not trolled Chris at all.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/user/softerthanhardware YouTube]</ref> The Pinch has also threatened [[BlueSpike]] saying he has information from his friends, forgetting the fact that BlueSpike ''has no friends''.

===White Knights on Facebook===

In recent times (since 2012), Chris has taken to using Facebook as his main means of expressing himself. Inevitably, this has not only attracted the attention of trolls, but, in 2013, a slew of White Knights as well, in particular, a [[William Elliott Waterman]], who taunted the trolls to come after him instead of Chris ('''Spoiler:''' Nobody did, because nobody actually cared what he had to say). Anna and [[Kim]] are two of the most notable ones on his friends list, both of whom try to offer constructive advice whenever Chris nosedives into a rant...when they're not busy kissing his ass, especially in the case of Anna.

However, as we've come to expect of Chris, anybody who tells him something he doesn't want to hear are people that needed to be brushed off until they stop saying those mean, awful things to him. A good case in point is his [[September 2013 Facebook Posts#Chris_Expresses_His_Outrage_for_Walmart|anger-laced tirade in September 2013, when he got thrown out of Walmart and started calling names]]. The white knights typically chimed in with their support...''until'' he revealed that he [[Chris and the law|vandalized]] an Xbox One display in the store. Several of them then told Chris that this was not right of him to do, and that the manager had every right to throw him out. His response to that?

{{quote|They do not.
And if they do, they are most in the wrong, [[Chris and reality|because they are most abusive and overzealous of their "authoritative power" that never has existed ever]].|- Chris's response to Chris Rhodes}}

===White Knights in Real Life===

Aside from the most obvious example, an old classmate of Chris from [[Manchester High School]] came online and attempted to defend Chris. Once [[SheCameForCWC.jpg|certain details]] became known, however, said classmate quickly backpedaled on this once he realized that the majority of [[CWCki|what happened]] was Chris' own fault.

===TV Tropes===
The TV Tropes [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Sonichu article on ''Sonichu''] used to have a white knight message as the first text of the article, with a link back to this very page. It was eventually removed due to TV Tropes' website policy changing later on--in other words, said message would no longer be allowed on the website. The message is reproduced below:

{{quote|Hey Chris! If you're reading this: you seriously need to get help from licensed professionals, before the stuff you do gets you thrown in prison or forcibly committed. And we're sorry, but you have no real fans - the people you think are your fans are really either trolls or laughing at you behind your back. Every. Last. One. Please listen to us - for once.|- Concerned tropers}}

Unfortunately, the editor in question fails to realize that their message, while well intentioned, will do absolutely nothing and Chris will simply ignore it even if he does [[Mailbag 52|fully read and input it for better development. Thank you for your time.]]

==Chris as a White Knight==
In 2017, Chris himself began (attempting) to white knight the crew of [[Planet Dolan]], particularly [[DoopieDoOver]], after he misinterpreted one of Doopie's tweets about being tired of harassment from Chris himself as referring to [[trolls]] harassing her. To this end, he started the #[[HarassCWCdirectly]] campaign in which he exhorted the supposed trolls to take aim at him and leave Doopie and friends alone. This may well be a misguided effort to [[Love Quest|win Doopie's affections]] after she emphasized that she considers him nothing more than a customer, not even a [[Gal pal|friend]].

==Conclusion==
As good as your intentions may be, there is no conceivable way any old e-friend can reach Chris at this point and change him for the better, certainly not by continuing to ass-pat and pamper him, which is precisely what fucked him up so badly in the first place (as this wiki evidences copiously). Your efforts will unfortunately fail, and he will just brush you aside, seeing no difference between you and the trolls, for daring to tell him anything he does not want to hear. With each new incident he causes, it is increasingly obvious that little short of [[Chris and psychology|professional intervention]], the [[Chris and religion|intercession of]] [[GodJesus]], or a [[Destruction Of Chris's House|horrifyingly close brush with death]] will change him.

Though the trolls have certainly tried to be a positive influence on Chris, even they are now largely admitting that Chris is well beyond our aid. They have spent years trying to pierce Chris's many insulating layers of self-deceit, egotism and sheer stubbornness. It is worth bearing in mind that it is these people, not the white knights, that are the closest thing he has to friends, and that some of them have been at this for nearly a decade. They ''know'' him, and if they can't make Chris change, what on earth makes you think you can?

To conclude, with Chris's paranoia, detachment from reality, outlandish behavior and bellicosity all becoming steadily more severe, and with interventions by trolls and white knights alike failing, the best we can hope for is that Chris causes [[26 December 2014|some sort of trouble]] that leads to him receiving the help he needs.

==See also==
*[[A-Logging]]
*[[Weening]]
*[[White knight E-mails]]

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://encyclopediadramatica.rs/White_knight White Knighting] article at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]].

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Talk:Chris and anger

2017-12-06T03:38:18Z

Steampunk Mage: /* About Chris's Decrease in Tard Raging */

==To do==
This article idea was brought up on [[cwc]] and for some reason, the idea of editing this wiki intimidates people. Seriously, we don't bite here. Anyways, the idea is to document how Chris has anger control problems, so mention stuff like how he's a virgin with rage, how he had to do anger management, the stuff with Megan about how he drew that picture to curb his anger, how he masturbates to prevent from going into hormonal rage, and so forth. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 13:45, 12 June 2009 (CEST)

He expresses anger the same way a six year old would; Infantile threats and growling at cameras that won't stand up and give him a beating. [[User:Guise|Guise]] 14:57, 12 June 2009 (CEST)

I think people are finding it hard to work out how to get the article going. I seen the thread on /cwc/ and everyone's shy of editing it like you say because no one knows where to start. {{unsigned|JamesYeaman}} (faggot didn't sign post)

Apologies, I'm new here, I added two new sections, "Why Chris has anger" and "Examples of Chris's anger." If you don't like either delete them. Amidoingitrite now? --[[User:JamesYeaman|JamesYeaman]] 13:45, 13 June 2009 (GMT)

First time Wiki editor, long time lurker. Cleaned up the text a bit and added some new parts and references. --[[User:Hayate666|Hayate666]] 16:35, 15 June 2009 (CEST)

It's starting to look quite alright. Keep up the good work people. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:22, 15 June 2009 (CEST)

Embedded the video and gave Clyde his own heading. He deserved as much :( Spiced up the text a bit and cleared spelling errors. --[[User:Hayate666|Hayate666]] 20:06, 16 June 2009 (CEST)

Should we add something about the Game Place on here? Like how he always raged at the kids who beat him at Pok'emon? Just a suggestion.
----[[User:BabyGotBack|BabyGotBack]] 18:30, 3 December 2009 (CEST)

==Good Idea?==
Half of me wants to suggest places where Chris MIGHT be willing to go just to see what happens. For instance in the case of a Gaming Convention, I have a feeling one of five things will happen. Most of which dealing with his rage, already proven in his previous gaming experiences. (It even looks like he leveled down the Soul Caliber representations of people so he'd always very easily win.)
1) He will get arrested for assaulting or harassing any and all adult females there.
2) He will spend all his time trying to play Pokemon, Soul Caliber, Guitar Hero, etc, and throughout a fit every-time he loses to someone and is permanently banned. Possibly again arrested.
3) He will try something new such as Dungeons & Dragons and at some point effectively cause his entire group to "murder" the alternate him and rage ensues.
4) He will periodically cheat and effectivly get kicked out or banned. Most likely resulting in rage ensuing.
5) He will do something else to get him, kicked out, banned, or otherwise enaliated from groups. Most likely his racism and prejudices. Again, rage ensuing. ----[[User:SerenityMoonstone|Serenity Moonstone]] 20:12, 22 July 2010 Eastern Standard Time.

==ref: IV shootings==
I did a little research on that guy that did the mass murders yesterday (since 20 minutes either way, I ''personally'' would've been in the line of fire), and that one is also diagnosed with autism, as well as 9after reading his manifesto ramble) many of the other same mental problems, and is-- was-- very much the 'virgin with rage': basically, Chris with money and active motivation. Wondering if notable enough to add a comparison in the Rage or VWR page, or if would be in bad taste/not noteworthy? --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] ([[User talk:Xavier orona|talk]]) 11:30, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

* As things stand, the connection is way too vague. It'd be like trying to compare Chris to the guy who carried out the Virginia Tech Massacre because they are/were both mentally unstable guys with girl issues, who live(d) in Virginia. --[[User:HarryHowler|HarryHowler]] ([[User talk:HarryHowler|talk]]) 17:12, 25 May 2014 (UTC)

* Too vague. And I don't think it's a good idea to add it. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:19, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== About Chris's Decrease in Tard Raging ==

These days, Chris's rage seems to have decreased; for example, Chris did not respond to Michael Hirtes's trolling angrily. That was also talked about on Hirtes's Kiwi Farms thread, with one of the forum's users saying it must be the hormone medications. Is that true, or was the user just not being serious? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 21:23, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
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* I've always thought he was beginning to wise up to everything and actually beginning to see the trolls and their attempts a little differently, like he's become immune to it. But it's possible you are right. [[User:Rtucker913|Rtucker913]] ([[User talk:Rtucker913|talk]]) 23:29, 5 December 2017 (UTC)
**You make a good point, too. Should we add either of our points to the article? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 01:40, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
***It would be a fine inclusion for now. Should it be a new section, or a subsection to something bigger? [[User:Rtucker913|Rtucker913]] ([[User talk:Rtucker913|talk]]) 01:45, 6 December 2017 (UTC)
****Hmm, I haven't thought about that; maybe make it a new section if we can't come up with a section to merge it with? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 03:38, 6 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Chris and anger

2017-12-06T01:40:01Z

Steampunk Mage: /* About Chris's Decrease in Tard Raging */

Talk:Chris and anger

2017-12-06T01:36:26Z

Steampunk Mage: /* About Chris's Decrease in Tard Raging */

Talk:White knight

2017-12-05T21:54:55Z

Steampunk Mage:

Svenka really isn't the same sort of counter-troll as Robert Simmons V. Bob was actually a troll, who fought the trolls to gain Chris's trust and he turned out to be a pretty heck of a troll (see the church audio). Svenka is a troll who seems to be doing this because s/he thinks it's funny to fuck with us fucking with Chris instead of fucking with Chris. The two really are different sorts of creatures. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:23, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
: More importantly, is there a reason the church audio isn't mentioned in [[Robert Simmons V]] or [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 08:19, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
:* Actually, no, and I just think it's because people forgot it exists because it only came out like, a day before the date Chris had with Emily. That and no one felt like listening to an audio that was mostly a church sermon with Chris either singing loudly or saying "HMMMM, INTERESTING" very loudly to things the pastor was saying. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:27, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

==Chris is abusing his monthly tugboat==
Chris is stealing our taxpayer's money.. and I believe "Old Time Rock And Roll on Shredwud" is the worst example of him abusing his monthly tugboat.
Pulled out from one YouTube user's comment: "As Americans suffer the worst recession in living memory, with tens millions of people struggling to put food on the table and keep the lights on, a lazy, would-be rapist and pedophile spends his days playing video games at taxpayers expense."

Should I point this out as one of the few reasons why White Knighting should be justified?
--[[User:Shogun|shogun]] 05:30, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

==Redirects from Counter trolls and anti trolls==

I think these two ideas can be mentioned briefly in this article, but since they're not, I think they need to be in order to keep the redirect. It seems that anti-trolls and counter trolls are not the same as white knights.

White knights are people who see Chris and go "BAWWWWWWWWWW, he's an autistic, people are bullying him, I should troll them instead since they're being mean" or "LEAVE CHRIS ALONE!" I can't think of too many genuine white knights. Maybe Harbal was.

Counter trolls are people who see us and say "Wow, these fuckers spend all their time trolling a retard and that's fucking pathetic. I want to fuck things up for them." I think this might be Svenka's real intention, not so much a genuine concern for Chris but because she gets some joy of fucking up the efforts to fuck up Chris.

Anti-trolls are people who decide to work false flag and act like they're on Chris's side, fighting off trolls and making videos in hope of gaining Chris's trust. This is what Robert Simmons V more or less did, troll Chris by pretending to fight the trolls in order to gain his trust. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:34, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

: You're right, I made a mistake. This article already encompasses both white knights and counter trolls (with or without hyphen?) and I think it should stay that way because the listed reasons can apply to both groups. If it stays, it should be restructured a little and renamed to something like [[White knights and counter trolls]]. Then write a short article on [[Anti-troll]], or redirect it to [[Trolls]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 05:51, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Moar on the white knight antics ==

There's moar [[User:Anonymous/CWCville Archives#Quixotic Avenger/CriticalMindz (AKA No More Cyber Crimes/Quixotic Avenger, AKA 9v47w1hk0jyr|here]]. --[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 07:29, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Block vs. Ban ==

Blocking and banning are different on Wikipedia. A ban is an outright, written "You [the person, not the account] are not allowed on Wikipedia anymore" instated by the ''whole community'', while a block is just ''one admin'' blocking the ''account''. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] 03:51, 12 August 2009 (CEST)
: True - in case of Wikipedia. However, I was talking about Chris's behaviour websites in general. I don't mind either term being used in the article, though - in most other websites, these terms would be mostly synonymous. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 11:18, 25 August 2009 (CEST)

==empathy==
In the Empathy section, there is a note that the people in question empathizing with Chris are autistic; it reads awkwardly because all auts lack empathy and are, by definition, psychopaths. --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:22, 9 December 2009 (CET)
*hahaha what? sauce plz --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 04:03, 9 December 2009 (CET)

== How serious should this article be? ==

There is a website called [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page RationalWiki] that primarily exists to uncover the lulz that pseudoscience pushers promote. (Think of it as ED for geeks, if it helps.) The contributors generally take a humorous approach on a lot of topics. Yet, at some point, they found out that the article on [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Andrew_Schlafly Andy Schlafly] was ranked high in Google, so they decided that the article should be serious and factual in tone, so that people who're considering paying money for ''(*ahem*)'' high quality home-schooling tutoring and online courses at a family-friendly ''(*ahem*)'' encyclopedia would know what they're getting.

So this brings me to this question. This is a relatively important article, and I hope that most people read this early on when they first stumble into the big mess that Chris has made. This article is already fairly serious in tone, and is shaping up into a nice guide on the topic of "why helping Chris has been found futile, and why the trolls actually have a good point". Should we put in some deliberate effort and place in guidelines here to make sure this article stays that way? "This is an important article. Feel free to improve it. Just keep in mind, more so than usual, that you shouldn't ruin it." --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 14:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:Good thought there Wwwwolf. That's a question that covers more areas of the CWCki than just this article, and I've never really seen it addressed. Conventional wisdom seem to be:'If Champthom likes it, then it's good enough for me'. Problem is, I'm never sure what Champ actually likes. Policy time? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 16:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

::Perhaps a protocol (it sounds cooler than policy). You could set a number of guidelines/rules regarding how a page should be created and maintained. I think in light of the Wallflower incident it would be a good idea since the Cwcki should be held to a higher standard (than, say, the ED). Sounds like there should be a topic page on this issue. --[[User:Caboose_-1|Caboose_-1]] 22:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:::We have some of those rules in place already. Style hasn't been addressed in detail though. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 17:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::*Style is something we need to work on. However, let me address first this article and then about what makes a good CWCki page and the rationale of what I think is good.

:::To be honest, I'm not a fan of this page. It's very well written, don't get me wrong, but it's not very encyclopedic. It's more of an essay on why one shouldn't white knight for Chris than an article that one would look for information about past white knighting attempts for Chris. Personally, I'm not even a big fan of what constitutes a white knight since in some circles, anyone who doesn't want to see Chris hit in the face with a baseball bat is a "white knight." There's also a tendency to assume that people knew everything we know about Chris now back in 2008. Vivian's AIM chat with Chris is perceived as "white knighting" when this was back when people thought that maybe Chris could be reasoned with.

:::However, I tend to leave it be since it's an exception for the rule. If we were strict, then [[Audiobooks]] would need to go in the Fan index because there's plenty of other fan works Chris has mentioned before that don't have their own entries but it's the exception to the rule given the fact it's core of troll culture. Likewise, this article is an interesting look at meta-trolling, that is topics that arise from trolling Chris himself. Fuck, in a way this article could very be reworked to be called "Meta-trolling" but nobody would know what the fuck that means.

:::I think it's very possible to make this page better, though I'm not entirely sure how. I know ED has a template along the lines of "This article is good, don't fuck with it" so maybe something along the lines of this here?

:::Also, let me all let you in on a secret - I tend to run CWCki in a [[Wikipedia:Common law|common law]] fashion. I try to see myself as the judge, I generally look to Wikipedia to see how they handle things (in other words, established precedence) and as things come up here, I try to establish a precedent based on the circumstances and try to find a general principle to govern things. Ideally, a wiki should work that when people collaborate, some sort of order arises spontaneously that works for us.

:::Just like we're [[CWCki:NOTED|not ED]], we're also not Wikipedia. We're CWCki. We can do what works for us. I personally think we should lean towards Wikipedia than ED, but we have flexibility.

:::Now, what makes a good page and when should it be created? There's obvious cases when a page should be made - new media arises, that sort of thing. But what about something else? First, ask - "How does this relate to Chris? Is this something crucial into understanding Chris?" I recall around the time of the [[Father Call]], people wanted a page for Matt Devoria. But then you ask - "Can this material be incorporated into another page? Can it be done without going off on in another direction?" Easily Matt Devoria can be incorporated into the Father Call - otherwise, you have an article where it's along the lines of "Matthew Devoria is [[Kacey]]'s father" and that's it. Furthermore, is it essential to know who Matthew Devoria is outside the context of how he relates to Chris? Obviously you need to know something about [[Clyde Cash]] or any of Chris's sweethearts in order to understand why Chris is rambling on about these people and how they're connected to Chris. Then, ask "Is it exceptional enough to have an entire article written about it?" Someone pointed out that it was odd that [[Heather Inglesias]] has her own page despite being an off screen character while certain characters who have actually appeared in the comic have not. I believe such a page is warranted because the reasons ''why'' Chris created Heather (to appease people into thinking he's not a total homophobe, such that it would ruin his chances for china) gives us some insight into Chris's mind.

:::If I delete a page, it's usually for a few reasons. Obvious reason #1 is namefagging - someone thinks they're troll persona is SO COOL that they deserve an entire page about it (this hasn't happened in quite some time). Most common reason is usually because it's something that can be incorporated into another article or really doesn't deserve an entire article. I recall people making articles for those radio shows Chris appeared on and I deleted those articles because a one like reference to those shows could easily be made in the content they discuss (I think someone made an article for a transcript of the show, which is kinda iffy, IMHO. Need to consider that). A lot of the time though, it's people don't plan. They make an article, might write one sentence and that's it. You don't have to write the entire article in advance (though it helps), but at least leave an idea of what you're aiming at on the talk page so people know how to proceed. If you make a page, say "Chris and his parents," don't write a one sentence like "Chris doesn't get along with his parents (I'm not saying this should be a page, just an example). Sometimes it's not so much I delete a page because I think it shouldn't be a page but it's just so awful and all over the place that I think it should be scrapped and people start over. If it looks like people put considerable work into it, then I'll usually make a subpage of the original page creator's user page so they can work on it before making it a proper article again.

:::Style, I agree, is one thing we could work on, namely in tone and whatnot. But as I said, we do have flexibility and we can do what works. Personally, I'm not a big fan of setting everything in stone since that can ruin flexibility as people point to the rules and say "See? You have to do it MY way!" I do think that the [[CWCki:Style|Style guide]] needs some work in terms of tone. We really should be avoiding essays like this article and focus more on encyclopedic toned articles, yet still make articles pleasurable to read to encourage people to utilize the CWCki. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Champ, it's times like these that I remember how much I love you. You're saying you want some work on the style guide? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 11:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

==TV Tropes==

I spotted a TV Tropes white knight attempt on the Sonichu page, so I added it. By the way, does this article need rewriting? I'm inclined to think so. -[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 00:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Tropers aren't bad people, (though they are often people with incredibly bad taste). I assume whoever wrote that read this article in full, and really genuinely wants Chris to stop being such a monumental screwup. Their linking it back here is probably their way of admitting that it's (low-level) white knighting, and that it really is futile.
:Granted, it's all a moot point because Chris has never read TVtropes.
:Anyways I think this article is pretty good, but Ronichu, so far all your works have been awesome, so if you have plans to make it better, by all means go nuts.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 03:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure if this can classify as "white knighting". It's "inadvertent white knighting" at best. They don't seem to have any intention of stopping the trolling or even acknowledge the trolls outside of "all your fans are trolls". Other white knights we have on here have directly tried to interfere with trolling/stop it. I don't think that's the case here. While Chris getting help might put an end to trolling him, I doubt they had that in mind, not that it's ever even going to happen. Basically, I'm saying, "should we just remove this section" or "can we re-write it to point out that their white knighting is unintentional"?--[[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]][[User:Anon1Guardian|DrSerbia]][[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]] 15:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone think Chris did infact see the message and erased it himself? [[User:SerenityMoonstone|SerenityMoonstone]] 21:32, 8 August 2010 ((EST))
:*That's not his style. If he saw it, based on the CWCki vandalism, he'd probably blank the page and then add a whole bunch of 'TVTropes is a load of BULL!' style comments. Subtley is not sonething Chris does, ever, with anything. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 18:54, 8 August 2010 (PDT)
:*It is known why it was taken down it was part of a general attempt to avoid flamebait and they knew someone somewhere would link Chris to the page and start an edit war. [[user:Comunist|Sam]]
::Actually it's because Fast Eddie is trying to run a media analysis site that avoids saying anything, no matter how horrible, is actually bad. And because his usual solution to problems is to gut an article and lock it forever. He's been known to make ridiculous statements on the forums to the effect that criticism is bad, critics are horrible people who lack the ''sparkly gift'' of creativity, and that Yahtzee is a horrible bastard for making fun of a game he did some work on. He ''literally'' believes that any site which doesn't enforce a strict code of positivity will become Encyclopedia Dramatica (seriously, he's said so in as many words and without a hint of irony) and that it's somehow possible to describe a work like ''Battlefield Earth'' or ''Sonichu'' without ever stating it's only remarkable as a textbook example of how to use every narrative tool in existence badly. He's fifty years old, hangs around on a forum full of maladjusted teenage anime fans who worship him (or they disappear) and looks like the bastard offspring of a drifter and Captain Ahab. In other words, he's probably doing it because can't figure out why everyone's so mean to Chris. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 10:02, 17 January 2012 (PST)
:::Speaking of 50 years old... —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 10:20, 17 January 2012 (PST)

== White knights with no good intentions for Chris ==

I have a couple of examples.

Anna McLerran is believed, by some, to only enable and defend Chris for attention and to cope with her own insecurities.

Jessica Quinn tried to influence Chris a few times for her fat fetish; for example, encouraging him to go along with the transition method through prunes and soy sauce, just to make him more attractive to her.

Should either of those examples be listed in this article? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 21:54, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Michael Hirtes

2017-12-05T21:27:23Z

Steampunk Mage:

Since Hirtes has many flaws in common with Chris, I wonder why the former hates the latter so much; anyone got any ideas? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 19:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
* It's exactly ''because'' he has so much in common with Chris. The original A-Log was the same way. They're obsessed with hating people who are more visible or famous for failing at life to distract from the fact that they actually fail harder at it. [[User:Ericitos Verdes|Ericitos Verdes]] ([[User talk:Ericitos Verdes|talk]]) 21:18, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
**Or maybe he's jealous that Chris, a more infamous lolcow, has more success in life than him (since Chris is now profiting from his Sonichu merchandise)? That might also have wounded his pride. [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 21:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

== Which of the links are dead? ==

They seem to be working for me. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

There seems to be no source for Hirtes's criminal records. -[[User:Camille|Camille]] 23:46, 1 November 2017 (PDT)

The Kiwi Farms thread on him (#2 in References) has screencaps of the records in the OP. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:10, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I've taken down the dead link tag, and put the website for finding his criminal records in the external references.-[[User:Camille|Camille]] 0:51, 2 November 2017 (PDT)

Talk:Michael Hirtes

2017-12-05T21:26:31Z

Steampunk Mage: Theory on Hirtes's hatred of Chris

Since Hirtes has many flaws in common with Chris, I wonder why the former hates the latter so much; anyone got any ideas? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 19:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
* It's exactly ''because'' he has so much in common with Chris. The original A-Log was the same way. They're obsessed with hating people who are more visible or famous for failing at life to distract from the fact that they actually fail harder at it. [[User:Ericitos Verdes|Ericitos Verdes]] ([[User talk:Ericitos Verdes|talk]]) 21:18, 31 October 2017 (UTC)
*Or maybe he's jealous that Chris, a more infamous lolcow, has more success in life than him (since Chris is now profiting from his Sonichu merchandise)? That might also have wounded his pride. [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 21:26, 5 December 2017 (UTC)

== Which of the links are dead? ==

They seem to be working for me. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:08, 1 November 2017 (UTC)

There seems to be no source for Hirtes's criminal records. -[[User:Camille|Camille]] 23:46, 1 November 2017 (PDT)

The Kiwi Farms thread on him (#2 in References) has screencaps of the records in the OP. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:10, 2 November 2017 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I've taken down the dead link tag, and put the website for finding his criminal records in the external references.-[[User:Camille|Camille]] 0:51, 2 November 2017 (PDT)

Talk:Chris and anger

2017-12-05T21:23:00Z

Steampunk Mage: Decrease in Rage

Talk:Chris and anger

2017-12-05T21:22:51Z

Steampunk Mage: Decrease in Rage

Talk:Michael Hirtes

2017-10-31T19:07:27Z

Steampunk Mage: Created page with "Since Hirtes has many flaws in common with Chris, I wonder why the former hates the latter so much; anyone got any ideas? ~~~~"

Barbara Chandler

2017-10-09T19:02:18Z

Steampunk Mage: Lulzy link added

{{DeadLinks}}
{{quote|I am close to my mother, but I would advise some space between you and your mother. And I recommend finding yourself a Girlfriend/Sweetheart to remain with in your later years of life. Mama's not gonna be around forever.|Chris gives advice to a ''Sonichu'' fan.<ref>[[Mailbag 13]]</ref>}}

{{quote|She threatens to kill me in her episode of emotional rage.|Chris on Barb.<ref name="jackie26">[[Jackie E-mails 26]]</ref>}}

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|data6 = White
|label7 = Spouse
|data7 = [[Ran Coleman Yeatts]] (1961-1963) [[Bob|Robert Franklin Chandler Jr.]] (1980-2011)
|label9 = Children
|data9 = [[Cole Smithey]] [[Christian Weston Chandler]]
|label10 = Father
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'''Barbara Anne Weston Chandler'''<ref>[[Blanca E-mails#Chris likes Blanca|Email to Blanca]]</ref> (born 1 [[Wikipedia:1941#October|October 1941]]<ref>http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d155.html</ref>) is the widow of [[Bob Chandler]] and the mother of [[Christian Weston Chandler]] and [[Cole Smithey]]. The sole recognition for her motherly qualities is the Mother of the Year [[2000]] Award Chris created for her.<ref>[[A Week With Christian Chandler#Page 13|A Week With Christian Chandler, page 13]]</ref> She has not won the award since.

==Early life==
Barbara is the fifth child (out of eight) of Joseph Otto "Joe" Weston (1896-1955) and Carrie Edna Wynn (1911-1967). They married in 1926, when Carrie was either 14 or 15 years old and Joseph [[Pedofork|was around 30]].<ref>http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d141.html#P141</ref> Otto died in 1958, after falling from a horse-drawn wagon.<ref>http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html</ref> Barb's maternal grandfather was an alcoholic moonshiner, who carried out affairs and failed to provide even the most basic support for her mother's family.<ref>http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d118.html#P141</ref>

According to a [[Facebook statuses|Facebook status]] Chris wrote on [[January 2012|January 30th, 2012]], Barbara lost her virginity at some point during her high school years.

Barb grew up in Red Oak, Virginia, and graduated from Randolph-Henry [[High School]] in Charlotte Court House, Virginia in 1960. While there, she was treasurer of her school's chapter of the Future Homemakers of America, a member of the Randolph-Henry bus patrol, a typist for her school yearbook, "The Log", and a member of the Spanish Club. She was also a member of many other school organizations, suggesting that she was very involved in extracurricular activities while in high school. She was also known for her perfect attendance record from her sophomore through her senior years of high school.

According to her senior yearbook, her nickname in high school was Bobcat, possibly due to [[Obesity|her figure]].

Chris stated in a leaked video that he and his mother are not liked by the members of the Weston family who have outlived [[Aunt Corrina]].<ref>[[Message for John Kyle]]</ref> It is not clear whether Chris meant to say that after Corrina's death all the Westons started hating him and his mother, or alternatively that by the time of Corrina's death no Weston other than her had a cordial relationship with Chris and Barb. Regardless of how this statement should be interpreted, it appears that Barbara's relationship with rest of her extended family is strained.

==Cole and his various fathers==
[[Image:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|thumb|Cole visits for Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday]].]]

Barbara grew up and raised Chris's older half-brother [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] in Richmond, Virginia, near Virginia Commonwealth University and West Avenue.<ref name="Raising">[[Emily Date Conversation Transcript#Raising Chris-Chan (16:46 - 00:00)]]</ref>

Barbara gave birth to [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] in 1963. Throughout his life, Barbara has lied to Cole about who his father is because she's [[Wikipedia:Maury Povich|Maury Povich]] trash.

Based on the experiences with his various stepfathers, [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] thinks that Barbara has a "proclivity to isolate herself via scurrilous mates".<ref name="coleemail2">[[:File:Cole 07-03-06-2.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 2]]</ref> The use of "scurrilous" in this statement makes no sense, suggesting [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] tries to use [[Chris and Health|big]] words to impress people - [[Laughs Under Lucricities|a family trait]], perhaps.

===Jack Dale Smithey===
Barb insists that Cole's father is Jack Dale Smithey, to whom she claimed she was married, but records show she actually wasn't.<ref name="coleemail2" />

In 1995, Cole's friend syndicated cartoonist [[Wikipedia:Ted_Rall|Ted Rall]] made an Internet post questioning the whereabouts of Jack Dale Smithey. According to the post, Smithey lived in Richmond in 1963 (the time Cole was born), and was a Merchant Marine. He later worked as a trucker for Pilot Trucking in North Carolina, but had not been heard of since 1964.<ref>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SURNAMES/1995-04/0798938259</ref>

Cole eventually hired a private detective who tracked down Jack Smithey in Sarasota, Florida.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails">[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref>

===Ran Coleman Yeatts===
[[Image:RanColemanYeatts-WakeForestHowler1961.png|thumb|Cole's [[TRUE and HONEST]] biological father, Ran Coleman Yeatts, from the 1961 Wake Forest yearbook.]]

Records, which [[Cole Smithy|Cole]] later found after making a trip back to Richmond, show Barb married one Ran ''Cole''man Yeatts in 1961. Yeatts was from South Hill, Virginia, and was enrolled at Wake Forest College as late as 1960. He was scheduled to graduate in 1961, the year he and Barb married.<ref>http://www.archive.org/stream/howler1960wake/howler1960wake_djvu.txt</ref>

To further fuel Cole's rage, Yeatts would visit him and was introduced as a "friend" of the family when he was a child. <ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" /> After Cole hired a private detective, Barbara hung up the phone on him when he called to ask about his father.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />

Yeatts died on 6 June 2007 in South Hill. His obituary made no mention of Cole and, curiously, none of Barbara either.<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071320/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx?n=Ran-Yeatts&pid=88787372</ref>

<center><gallery>
File:1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license.jpeg|1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license
File:1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce.jpeg|1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce
</gallery></center>

===Jerry Harmon===
Jerry Harmon is Barbara's former lover and alleged sinister step-father of [[Cole Smithey]], Chris's older half-brother. Barbara claims to have married Jerry after her relationships with Jack Dale Smithey and Ran Coleman Yeatts. However, in the course of Cole's investigation into his family history, he was unable to find a marriage certificate.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />

{{quote|I grew up in an abusive household with Barbara and my former stepfather Jerry, where physical and mental punishments ran the gambit from bare-assed beatings to cold showers to bizarre scenarios acted out with glee by two deeply neurotic adults... Even at a very young age, I knew that they would abandon me. They were both irresponsible and incompetent parents who exposed me to traumas that I would rather not remember.|Cole on Barb and Jerry's parenting skills.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />}}
{{-}}

In his article [[Saturday Night Special]], Cole would further elaborate about his first step-father. According to Cole, Jerry was a professional magician who lived with Barbara in a second-floor apartment adjacent to the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond. Jerry allegedly kept a gun in his nightstand drawer, which his stepson would play with, and was out cheating on his wife when an intruder came to the apartment, leaving Barb to have to fire the gun to scare them off. The shot ricocheted and nearly killed Cole as a result, hitting the wall a hair's breadth behind his head.

==Marriage with Bob==
[[File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg|thumb|1980 6 7 - Borb's marriage license]]

Bob and Barbara met in a bar on a karaoke night. Barbara was there with friends and Bob was singing.<ref name="Mumble 3.5">[[Mumble 3.5]]</ref> Cole's friend Chuck, who worked at the bar, has a vivid memory of them being drunk retards.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-1.PNG|24 July 2007 email #1 from Cole to Chris]]</ref> According to Chris, Barbara did the [[How to Talk to Girls|pursuing]]: "She chased him down the hall." They got married in 1980.<ref name="Mumble 3.5" />

[[Image:0033-MommasBirthday.jpg|thumb|left|She never was much of a looker.]]
According to Chris, Barbara had not had sex with Bob for at least two decades before his death. They had been sleeping in separate rooms for the past few years.<ref>[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]</ref>

On September 1992, Chris and Bob moved from Ruckserville to Chesterfield County.<ref>[[Chris's Wikipedia profile#His Early Years - Birth to 1992]]</ref> Barbara did not accompany them, but rather stayed in their old home. Chris claimed that the separation allowed Barbara to continue working at her job with Virginia Power until retirement, and that she still visited Bob and Chris on every weekend during the time she lived separately from them. After going into retirement when Chris was in the eighth grade (in early 1996), Barbara came to live with her husband and son in Chesterfield.<ref>[[Mailbag 32#Chris is no stranger to stupid name changes]]</ref><ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg]]</ref>

With both Barbara and Bob retired, they resided with Chris in their Ruckersville home. It is difficult to ascertain what their relationship was like, but sources such as the tour of the house would suggest that Chris's parents neglected the family home and spent most of their time apart in separate areas of the house.

Barbara became a widow on 6 September 2011 when Bob died.<ref name="BobObit">http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071324/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailyprogress/obituary.aspx?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600</ref>

==Treatment of Chris==

===Abuse and manipulation===
{{quote|And he told me of mom saying she was going to pack up and leave the house, then I ran downstairs, finding her on the couch; she was soo miserable and sad; she talked of Wanting to Die, "you don't even have to change my clothes, you can just bury me in what I have on." I was soo sad and crying and soo sorry for the way I misbehaved; we hugged and made up a bit.|An example of how Barb manipulated her adult son into cancelling his plans to attend Magfest, a video game convention.<ref>[[Gal Pal E-mails 3|Borb vs Magfest]]</ref>}}

It appears that Chris's diet doesn't worry Barb. In the night after the Chandler family moved back to Ruckersville, Bob and Chris refused a spaghetti dinner offered by Barb. As a response, Barb decided to forego cooking for her family and hasn't made a meal for Chris since then. <ref>See emails sent by [[Jackie E-mails 24|Chris to Jackie on 24 and 26 April 2011]].</ref>

Barb has often used suicide threats to guilt Chris into obeying her whims.

When Bob and Chris tried to discuss cleaning the hoard to Barb, she responded by threatening suicide.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/yt-1-12-skylanders-imaginators-leader-christine-w-chandler-random-review-n-stuff.27570/page-9#post-2020225 </ref>

During the [[Ivy]] Saga, Barb threatened to her family that she might commit suicide, as a response to the stress she was going through.<ref name="IvyQ&A"/>

In an episode from 2011, she forbade Chris from attending Magfest, by claiming that she would pack up and leave the house, and later that she wanted to die. After Chris folded and went to his room to cry about it, she gave him a "half-payment of a copy of DC Universe Online" as a reward.<ref>[[Gal Pal E-mails 3|Borb vs Magfest]]</ref>

Later that year, after Chris became a [[tomgirl]], Barb tried to stop him from wearing dresses and make-up by telling him she feared he would kill her. She then ordered him to sit down, and she cut his hair<ref>Jackie E-mails 26</ref>.

In addition, Barb has used the specter of old age for her own gain, by manipulating Chris into thinking she will have a heart attack. This tactic has been used so often that Chris will panic and call 911 if Barb does not answer the phone if he checks up on during the times he goes out of the house.<ref>Comments from Marvin on Kiwi Farms, gone when the site was taken down.</ref> When Barb and Chris were both arrested for [[assault and battery]], Chris was extremely worried about her health, saying in an e-mail:

{{quotebox|My mother fought the police in my defense, and she was handcuffed and I was emotionally distraught, I screamed and Screamed and SCREAMED, until an ambulance came for my mother to take her to UVA Hospital; she was okay, but her Blood Pressure was high.

I prayed a LOT to Jesus for my release and safe return home with my mother. And I banged the cell door with both my feet while lying on a folding mattress on the floor (to get those bastards to let me see and talk to my mother

Only after seeing my mother in her suit pass by my second cell, did I start to calm down. I was REALLY WORRIED about my mother and her health. She Needed Me, and I Needed Her. }}

The [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] summed up Chris's relationship with Barb:
{{quoteboxgreen|Well, I don't think they talk very much. However, no, Chris is Barb's hand servant. She screams for him and he comes running. She has him change the newspaper the dogs shit on, she has him run errands to bring her stuff, and she used to have him haul her goodwill crap to the car, and then from the car into the house.

''...''

I think Barb's yelling has gotten much less frequent nowadays. It seems like she's pretty feeble nowadays. Chris is just as scared of Barb as he used to be though. I don't think he realizes how much power he has over Barb nowadays.

They're really physically affectionate in a strange way. Chris is pretty touchy feely with women because of habits he learned by spending time with Barb.<ref>https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YAJnFcGDS9kJ:https://kiwifarms.net/threads/is-chris-really-qualified-to-be-caring-for-barb.16435/page-4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us</ref>}}

After Bob died, Barb's abuse of Chris escalated. She treated him as a slave and forced him to be on-call at all times. Around 2013, she forced Chris to move out of his bedroom, specifically so she could bark orders at him more efficiently, by throwing a tantrum and wrecking his possessions.

{{quoteboxgreen|a few months to a year before the fire, Chris stopped being permitted to sleep separately from Barb, in his bedroom. He had to sleep closer to Barb, because she needed to be able to yell for him to go to [[sheetz]] and buy her crap, and he wasn't able to hear her up in his bedroom. He kind of tried to resist at first, but then she got super pissed and threw a tantrum. She wrecked his room and like flipped everything over because he was trying to sleep on his own.<ref>https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YAJnFcGDS9kJ:https://kiwifarms.net/threads/is-chris-really-qualified-to-be-caring-for-barb.16435/page-4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us</ref>}}

===[[Butt garments|Pampering]]===
{{quote|Yeah, but then my Mom is pretty much jealous of me loving another woman more than her.|Chris, describing his [[Wikipedia:Oedipus complex|Oedipus complex]].<ref>[[Mumble 10]]</ref>}}

{{quote|Yes, dear.|Chris, addressing Barb<ref>[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]]</ref>}}

[[Image:0028-ChristopherWMom1.jpg|thumb|Barbara evolved into Snorlax as she raised Chris.]]

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File:Parenting Interview 001.jpg|Barb and Bob's answers on a parenting quiz
File:Parenting Interview 002.jpg|Barb and Bob's answers on a parenting quiz
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According to Cole, Bob and Barbara left Chris alone every day for years with the [[abusive babysitter]] while going out drinking, effectively ignoring the onset of the earliest symptoms of autism.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-3.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 3]]</ref> After Chris's initial diagnosis, and after their negligence was inevitably thrown back in their face, Barbara resorted to any means necessary to coax Chris into talking, most notoriously by bribing him with toys.<ref>[[Song of Christian]]</ref>

[[Image:ImWorkingOnIt.png|thumb|left|Chris and Barbara in an intimate moment.]]

While both Chris's parents are largely responsible for Chris's current state, Barb has more often than not been the most active in protecting Chris from recognizing any failure or shortcoming on his part, doing everything from being his sole commission with [[Cutco]] to going as his date to his [[Manchester High School#The Senior Prom|seinor [sic] prom]].

This pattern of accountability continues even into Chris's adult years. On at least two occasions, most notably after he was banned for good, Barbara visited [[the GAMe PLACe]] attempting to protect and defend her little snowflake and argue his case with [[Michael Snyder]], but to no avail.

As first evidenced by the "GAMe PLACe/4Chan picture" incident, she is extremely paranoid regarding Chris's online misadventures, likely because she fears that he'll [[Jerkhief|get]] [[Bagget|arrested]] and [[28 October 2011|go to prison]]. Given some of the violent states of some of his videos and Chris's [[Arrest|track record]], she's probably not too far from the truth. She may also suspect that Chris is a [[pedofork|pedophile]], as she [[Mumble 10| thought it was possible that he may have fallen for a ''To Catch A Predator''-esque sting operation]] during the [[Julie]] fiasco. She even seems to suspect that [[Megan Schroeder]], one of the few women Chris has known who ''wasn't'' out to troll him, is partially responsible for the persecution he has endured over the years. She does her part to keep his activities under control by acting as Chris's personal concierge, as seen when she interrogated [[Ivy]] for about half an hour before letting her speak to Chris.<ref name="IvyQ&A">[[Ivy Q&A]]</ref>

Barbara constantly babies Chris and tells him how handsome he is.<ref>[[Sonichu Girls]] and [[White knight emails]]</ref> She also told Chris that the reason he often "blanks out" or gets confused isn't that he's a lazy dumbass, but that he's a "[[Chris and art|creative genius]] and is simply overwhelmed by having so many creative ideas".<ref>[[Kacey Call 12]]</ref>

However, it seems that even Barb has her limits. Like Bob, she was [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Coming out to my parents|ashamed of Chris's effeminate escapades]], claiming that she didn't raise a daughter, and that "tomgirl" is not a thing. [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Mothers|She tried and failed]] to get Chris to stop wearing a bra and panties, even offering to pay him to stop.

===Spooning===
{{quote|I, myself, Did have dreams of having sex with my mother.|[[August 2016 Facebook posts#Incestuous Thoughts|One result of Barb's parenting choices, as explained by Chris in August 2016.]]
}}

To cap off their relationship, Chris revealed in private conversations with multiple people that Barb has spooned with him.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGU4nSlX0M ''PVCC NEW info: on Chris and Barbara spoon eachother!'' (YouTube)]</ref>

From [[Arthur Spatchcock]]:
{{quoteboxred|Story time, kids. Now most of us are aware of the fire; how Barb and Chris were displaced for some time while the house was getting renovated. You know how Chris was all whiny about his legos, right? Some getting melted, shit like that...well he kind of left out that his own bed was ruined as well given it had years of grease soaked into it because not bathing is so chic in his eyes. So when they got back home Chris didn't have his own bed anymore so he was sharing one with Barb instead. This came with the horrifying addendum that Barb wanted to spoon with him; I don't know if he was little spoon or big spoon but I know she was unimpressed and one night just unloaded on him angrily enough that Chris decided to get his own bed with his own money. So it goes without saying that from the time Chris and Barb got back home until he got that grand he was sleeping in the same bed as his mother.<ref>https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BN2t1QLl1LoJ:https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-4-11-e-begging-intensifies.19356/page-5+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us</ref>}}

Barb's habit of cuddling with Chris had been going on since Bob was alive, and he knew of it, but Barb was too manipulative and he wasn't able to stop her<ref>http://archive.is/zwWV9</ref>.

==Health problems==
===Physical===
[[Image:Cheers01.jpg|thumb|Artist's depiction.]]
[[File:Barb.PNG|thumb|left|''Arrangement in Pink and Purple: The Autist's Mother'']]

Like Chris, Barbara has been [[obesity|obese]]. As little as ten years ago Barbara was reasonably slim, but, along with Chris, ballooned out in more recent years, to the point of resembling an American [[Wikipedia:Rose West|Rose West]]. Her massive size earned her the affectionate nickname '''Snorlax''' from the [[trolls]]. Barb's size may have led to her [[stress|sleeping a lot]]<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> and usually skipping [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]].<ref>[[Church audio]]</ref>

In [[October 2009]], Barbara spent her birthday at the hospital with what the Chandlers thought was food poisoning.<ref name="9 October 2009">[[9 October 2009]]</ref> Barbara was diagnosed with [[Wikipedia:Colitis|colitis]], a gastrointestinal disease characterized by the inflammation of the colon. It manifests in diarrhea and cramps. Which kind of colitis has yet to be determined. It seems the Chandler family's diet has finally come to affect her, and in order to survive she will have to change her eating habits; considering their stubbornness, this clearly will end badly.

Hearing the plight of the Chandler family, [[Trolls|fans]] of Sonichu have created the website "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" to spread awareness regarding AIDS and to collect donations for research foundations and charities.<ref>[http://sites.google.com/site/barbarachandlerhasaids/home "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" Awareness Website]</ref> Chris himself denied his mom has AIDS.<ref name="9 October 2009"/>

According to eyewitness reports, Barbara lost weight in 2012.<ref>[[This is how the Trial went‎]]</ref> Her weight loss is visible in photos Chris took of her at a 2012 Mythbusters tour stop in Washington, DC.<ref>[[:File:BarbMarch2012.png]]</ref>

In a [[Twitter|tweet]] to Cole from June 29, 2013, Chris tells him that "[he] ought to be over here putting bandages on [their] Mom's holey buttocks." It was not clear exactly what sort of problem this referred to, though it didn't sound pleasant. On October 14, 2013, Chris elaborated in a Facebook post, stating, "my mother stresses me with her continuous rants about her damn miniature scabie flies, her suffering, the low finances and shit!!!" Consensus was that the so called "holey buttocks" were in fact lesions. It is now believed that Barb currently has a colony of parasitic mites (rather than flies) that have burrowed into her bountiful booty. Naturally, while Barb is being eaten alive, Chris whines about having to take care of her.

On 23 August 2013 Chris revealed that Barbara had been afflicted with breast cancer but managed to survive.<ref>[[Facebook#Breast Cancer Awareness]]</ref> He did not give details about when was she diagnosed with the ailment, at what stage it was and what kind of treatment was Barb given.

More recently, Chris has been talking less and less about his surviving parent, so information about how she's doing is scarce. However, what little information we do have suggests that she isn't doing so well. In August 2014, Chris begged for money on [[Facebook]], [[Lego|supposedly]] to pay dental fees, as he claimed his mother had cavities in her teeth which needed treatment. On the occasion that she attended Chris's [[26 December 2014|court hearings]] throughout [[2015]], Christorians in attendance invariably noted that although she has lost weight, she appears to have low muscle mass (probably due to her sedentary lifestyle). In particular, at [[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing|his last hearing]], it was noted that Barb appeared to be growing increasingly frail and possibly senile, as she did not appear to be very responsive, and appeared much more submissive to Chris than she has otherwise been known to be. Chris also reportedly got short with her due to her poor hearing.

In November 2015, [[Family Needs to appreciate Family]] was uploaded to YouTube. The video is a plea for [[Cole Smithey]], [[David Alan Chandler]], and [[Carol Suzanne Chandler]] to visit Barb before "Her time runs out", even though the latter two aren't Barb's children.

In August 2016, [[Anna McLerran]] posted a photo on Facebook of herself and Barb together. In it, Barb appears to have aged significantly since her last appearance in the "Donations Further Requested, Please" video.

In [[November 2016]], Barb escaped injury when she slipped and fell on [[14 Branchland Court|the hoard]].

Chris stated in April 2017 that he was taking care-giving classes in order to better help Barb.<ref>[[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04272017]]</ref>

Barb is seen in a [[May 2017]] begging video, in which Chris mentions that she drinks "meal replacement shakes,"<ref>[[Minor Update, Handouts!]]</ref> possibly referring to a drink such as Ensure.

===Mental===
Barb is understood by most to be a highly unstable woman, and worryingly, many of her behaviors can also be observed in Chris. Many believe her to be selfish and extremely narcissistic, on account of her seemingly baseless belief that she is [[Daniel Weston|descended from]] [[Anne Boleyn|Tudor high nobility]], and the pathological manner in which she lies and assigns blame to others, even in instances when any sane person could see that only they were in the wrong. All of these traits are shared by Chris, with Barb's apparent encouragement. Additionally, many aspects of her relationship with Chris are consistent with [http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/mothers-with-narcissistic-personality-disorder/ narcissistic motherhood], which is a fascinating but complex topic too lengthy to be discussed in detail here. Although Chris seems to be her [http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/golden-child-and-scapegoat/ "golden child"], she does not shy from mistreating him if he displeases her. This can be seen in an email to [[Jackie]] from May 2011; Chris claimed that his mother flew into a rage over his [[Tomgirl]] inclinations, forcing him to submit to a haircut and [[Death threats|threatening to kill him]].<ref name="jackie26" />

Aside from her narcissism, Barb is also noted by Christorians for her hoarding. Chris labels Barb a "pack rat"<ref>[[Father Call]]</ref>, and on more than one occasion has indicated his displeasure at her hoarding and the state it has left [[14 Branchland Court|their house]] in, although neither he nor Bob are known to have ever seriously challenged it. Barb compulsively hoards her purchases, particularly from Goodwill, which, by [[2009]], had rendered the living room uninhabitable.<ref>[[Tour of Chris's House]]</ref> When Bob was admitted to the hospital for the final time, he was quarantined for bug bites, ostensibly due to the conditions in the Chandler household. <ref>[[Rocky Shoemaker call]]</ref> The situation did not improve after Bob's passing, either. A [[Tour of Chris's House II|second house tour video]] made by Chris in [[2013]] revealed that Barb's hoarding had gotten severe enough to render entire rooms literally inaccessible, with some rooms literally full of stuff to within inches of the ceiling, and others reduced to crevices carved into walls of junk.

Barb's hoarding was predicted by many to lead to disaster, and finally did on [[January 2014|January 10 2014]], when in the wee hours of the morning, Chris [[Destruction Of Chris's House|started a house fire]] while trying to brew coffee in the bathroom, because the kitchen had been among the rooms blocked off by Barb's junk. Naturally, Barb's hoard provided ample kindling for the fire, and the house was severely damaged before the fire could be contained. In fact, given the state of the house in the second tour video, it's surprising that Chris and Barb were able to escape. Equally unsurprising, however, is the fact that one of the Chandlers' remaining cats died in the blaze, and one of the fire-fighters sent to the scene also suffered unspecified injuries.

While the Chandlers [[Rental House|relocated]], pending repairs to their home, Barb's stuff went into storage. When repairs were completed a year later, Barb had all of it moved back to 14 Branchland Court, and is not known to have disposed of any of it, even though, by all accounts, most of what she and Chris were able to salvage is either fire, smoke or water damaged, rendering it completely useless.

On [[July 2016|July 13 2016]], Barb unexpectedly starred in [[Donations Further Requested, Please|one of Chris's e-begging videos]]. In the minute-long video, she speaks slowly and almost inaudibly, hardly moving or blinking for the entirety of the video. While some have voiced concerns that this may be an early sign of dementia, it is just as likely that Barb, being Barb, was putting on an act for money.

==Legal problems==
On [[28 October 2011]], Chris and Barb were caught in an incident with [[The GAMe PLACe]], and were actually arrested with several serious charges, with Barb's including felony assault and failure to stop. The two were later released on bail. After a succession of court hearings, Barb, along with her son, was arraigned on her felony charges on 10 July 2012. She was sentenced to community service and was put under a two-year probation, as well as being ordered to pay Michael Snyder's medical bills. When informed of the latter fact during the trial, Chris explained that his mother, a retired, obese, seventy-year-old woman, would take care of the charges for him. No one was particularly surprised at this revelation.

==Financial problems==
In 2016, Barb was sued by a Discover bank in Norfolk for not paying debts. This came to light on [[March 2016|March 14]] [[2016]] when sharp eyed [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwis]] noticed that she had a hearing on March 16. As she must have been outright ignoring her debt for some time for the bank to take her to court over it, it was widely assumed that she would ignore the summons too. Instead, once the court records were updated, many were surprised to see that not only had Barb attended, but she had represented herself, too. Equally unsurprisingly, this bold move failed to pay off, and Barb was still sentenced to pay $4,706.93<ref>[[:File:Barb discover bank result.png]]</ref>.

Five months later, Barb was sued again, this time by Capital One Bank, for the same reason. The hearing in September resulted in a Default Judgement against Barb, meaning that she didn't bother attending. She owes Capital One $15,906.99<ref>[[:File:Barb vs Capital One Bank result.png]]</ref>.

Her out-of-control debt was the catalyst for the [[Financhu Crisis]] of 2016.

In June through July of that year, Barb appeared in three videos:

*[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]]
*[[Donations Requested, Please]]
*[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]

In the videos, she and Chris beg for donations, claiming to need money for her asthma medication and dental work (although they receive a combined amount of $2,500 per month from the government<ref>[[Chris and money#But wait, Chris isn't employed!]]</ref> and their costly hoards are clearly visible behind them).

She has failed to take accountability for ruining the family's finances, trying to pin the blame on Chris<ref>[[Patreon announcement]]</ref>, even though her known debt of over $20,000 is much larger than Chris's.

She and Chris had an inheritance from Bob worth "tens of thousands of dollars" when he passed away, but Barb decided to frivolously spend it on [[Rob Bell]] in an attempt to gain exoneration for her [[assault and battery]] charge.

==Appearances==

===In ''Sonichu''===
[[File:Bc.PNG|thumb|200px|Chris gets to live out his fantasy of being (and having) an adequate son.]]

In [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]], Barbara makes a brief appearance in "Classic Sonichu Strips".

In [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]], the male [[Dating education#In Sonichu|Dating Education]] students are given Barbara dolls to talk to.

In the 2015 revisions to [[Sonichu 10]], Chris wrote out Bianca's character and replaced her with his mother.

According to the [[CWCipedia]], [[Sandy Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children]] go to Anneweston Elementary School.<ref>[[CWCipedia]] on [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Wild_Sonichu Wild Sonichu]</ref> It is unknown whether or not Sonichu and Rosechu's children still go that school after their [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children#Sonichu and Rosechu's children|evolution]].

[[File:Chandlers & Sonichus.jpg|200px|thumb|left]]

In [[Sonichu 11]], Barb is photoshopped into a "family photo" alongside Chris, Bob and the various Chus.

[[File:Borb, Sonichu12.jpg|200px|thumb]]

In [[Sonichu 12]], Barb is in a set of pages that is a cross between Chris writing an autobiographical account of himself coming out as a tomgirl to his parents and a tribute to his late father.

Due to Chris's Oedipal complex, Barb is depicted as much more youthful than Bob, even though she was nearly 70 at the time. She expresses surprise at her son's announcement on being trans. Chris states that she was "hesitant for a long while," but "got used to my subtle and more changes."

This is a drastic understatement, as the real-life Barb tried to stop his [[tomgirl]] lifestyle in ways including suicide threats, guilt trips (by claiming that she was worried Chris would kill her), paying him to stop cross-dressing, and even ordering him to submit to a haircut. If her attitude towards him cooled, it was only out of resignation rather than acceptance. Evidence of this is when she became angry with him again after finding out that he had successfully changed his name in 2016<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/yt-6-11-cwcville-shopping-is-on-vacation.21491/page-5#post-1518208</ref>.

[[File:Chandler family as ponies.png|200px|thumb|Barb, pictured at left, as ''Sugar Darling'', in a [[MLP]]-inspired drawing from [[August 2017]]. ]]

In August 2017, Chris unveiled a drawing of the Chandler family depicted as [[My Little Pony]] characters, saying they will make further appearances in [[Sonichu 12-9]].

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===As a toy===
<center><gallery>
File:LegoSnorlax.jpg|As [[Chris]] sees her in [[Lego]] form
File:BarbAmiibo.jpg|Barb [[Amiibo]], complete with cleavage, which Chris offered for sale on [[Etsy]] in [[November 2015]].
File:Barb drawing Nov. '15.jpg|Promo drawing for the Amiibo
</gallery></center>

===Audio===
* Private Skype chat with [[Sarah May]].
* 4 [[February 2009]], [[Mumble 2]]: Barbara denies singing while vacuuming Chris's [[room]].
* 17 [[February 2009]], [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 2]]: Barbara talks to Chris but when Julie wants to talk to her, Barbara says she isn't "able to talk to anybody right now."
* [[March 2009]]: Barbara takes over the phone from Chris when Clyde [[Clyde#Prostitutes|calls after the date with Emily]].
* [[Kacey Call 15]]: Chris keeps [[Kacey]] on the phone for nearly fourteen minutes while Barb talks about the value of [[Chris and his Ego|humility]], her poor health, and her relationship with Bob, among other things.
* [[November 2009]], [[Kacey and Liquid Call]]: Barbara tells Chris to "just hang up on the bitch!"
* 10 [[August 2010]], [[Matthew Noble call]]: Barbara claims that Megan "lied" to Chris and abruptly hangs up mid-sentence. Throughout the call, she can be heard denying that she and Bob are the slightest bit in the wrong. At one point she complains about the time Michael Snyder kicked her and Chris out of the GAMe PLACe following Chris's final ban from the store.
* [[Prank calls]]: Barbara yells in the background and foreground of several prank calls.

===Videos===
Barbara has appeared in several videos: off-camera in the [[Christian Weston Chandler Interview]], and on-camera (for the first time) in [[You're Always Pretty]]. [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004|Two decade-old videos]] were leaked in December 2014 showing the Chandlers celebrating Christmas. Another video of her was recorded by a [[troll]] as she and Chris left court after his hearing in February 2015.

She has most frequently appeared during the [[Financhu Crisis]].

[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help|Two more]] [[Donations Requested, Please|videos]] were released June 2016 showing Chris begging for donations to buy asthma pills for Barbara. Barbara is shown practically dead in both of these videos so [[Chris and Death|god only knows what will happen in the near future.]]

In a [[Donations Further Requested, Please|video]] released on 13 July 2016, Barbara joins her son in shamelessly e-begging. Her voice tired and hoarse, mouth agape, she stares directly into the camera like a deer caught in the headlights.

She resumed begging in a [[EMERGENCY HOME UPDATE|video]] from April 2017, in which she wears a [[$400 gold necklace]] while asking Chris's audience to give him $1,000 in exchange for his old [[Stamps|stamp album]].

She next appeared in [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017]], when she walked in while Chris was recording.

After a more uploads from Chris, Barb starred another begging video uploaded on 24 May 2017, titled [[We Said Donations No Less than $1 00, US, Please]]. Chris removed the video the next day, after people threatened to report him for elder abuse.

After the last failed attempt of getting donations, Barb and Chris engaged in yet another begging video on 16 June 2017, titled [[We need immediate funds, please]]. Ironically, she wore both the [[$400 gold necklace]] and a pearl necklace.

Almost a month had passed, without any appearances from Barb. With Chris getting decent amounts of funds from his [[Patreon]] account, there no longer seemed to be a desire to beg. On 14 July 2017, she makes a small voice-only cameo in a [[Soda Awawawawa Puccho Candy Response]], screaming at him for not closing the front door. She also comments in [[Solar Eclipse V-logs]], asking Chris if he's ready to go back inside after the eclipse ends.

==Gallery==

<center>
<gallery>
Image:Babs1956.PNG|Barb's 8th grade (or "Pre-Freshman") photo.
Image:Babs1957.PNG|Barb's freshman photo from high school.
Image:Babs1960.PNG|Barb's senior photo from high school.
File:Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.png|Chris's family tree up to his great-great-grandparents.
Image:0002-1-Baby Chris and Mommy.jpg|Barbara with baby Chris. Oh, how full of hope and promise.
Image:0027-ChristopherWMom2.jpg|"Talk, you little idiot!"
Image:0026-ChrisAndMom.jpg
Image:0107-ChristianWMom.jpg|This is when ''[[The Simpsons]]'' went downhill.
Image:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg
Image:0096-MomRetire4.jpg|Barbara's retirement party from secretarial services at Virginia Power in 1996.<ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg|DVD, note 2]]</ref>
Image:0029-BarbaraWithDrinks.jpg
Image:0113-MomsBirthday97-1.jpg|From her 55th birthday.
Image:0229-ChristianAndMomInClass.jpg
Image:0037-BarbaraInGreen.jpg|Nothing says the 80s like a woman in a power suit and a lady tie.
Image:0041-BarbaraCorinaTomAndHerriet.jpg|Barb with [[Aunt Corrina]], Uncle Tom, and Aunt Harriet.
Image:0042-BarbaraCorinaHerrietAndElvis.jpg|The King left the building when he started to notice the foul smell of the Chandler house.
Image:0618-BarbaraIs60-1.jpg|Poor Barb, Chris put [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] on HER birthday cake.
Image:0074-BarbaraWSonicDoll.jpg
Image:0540-Prom2.jpg|It was originally believed this image was from Chris's graduation. Turns out this is from his senior prom, where he took his mom as his date.
Image:0549-Prom11.jpg|Barb talking to [[Tiffany Gowen|Tiffany]], one of Chris's [[gal pal]]s, at the prom.
Image:0839-MomDesi.JPG|Barb, evolved into Snorlax.
Image:Babura.PNG|Barb [[You're Always Pretty|is always pretty]].
BarbMarch2012.png|Barb in 2012, having devolved from a Snorlax into a Munchlax.
File:SnoopyDoobieDoo.png|With [[Snoopy]] in [[2013]].
File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.
File:Chandlers.Png|Barb and Chris. Barb is interrupting Chris during a live [[YouTube]] stream.
</gallery>
</center>

==References==
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==External links==
*<s>[http://www.megaupload.com/?d=ZTK7XM3N GET OFF BEFORE I GO OFF]</s> (dead link)

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Talk:Chris and health

2017-09-13T20:14:48Z

Steampunk Mage:

Hey we should add a "gallery of fatness" to the bottom of the page with pictures of his horrible fatness.--[[User:Pikimon|Pikimon]] 19:01, 23 July 2009 (CEST)
*That's not such a bad idea, I suppose. What would be best is if you could make them show how much he has ballooned over the years. [[User:Dormiebasne|Dormiebasne]] 21:20, 23 July 2009 (CEST)
**That is an even better idea--[[User:Pikimon|Pikimon]] 23:09, 23 July 2009 (CEST)
*** Damn, I wish he was one of those people who took a photo of himself once a day. Then we could make an animation. [[User:Dann Woolf|Dann Woolf]] 15:33, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Moved the gallery of hair. --[[User:Garfield|Garfield]] 03:14, 25 July 2009 (CEST)
*Cool!--[[User:Pikimon|Pikimon]] 16:50, 29 July 2009 (CEST)

In Kacey's recollection of her date with Chris, she mentioned how he would sweat profusely just by walking. Where in the article should I add that? --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 21:17, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

== Need to do ==
*Probably move the hair to Sonichu Girls or just make a new page for it, I think it warrants its own page because it also demonstrates MEXICAN SONICHU and poor Spanish
*Also, incorporate chris's coke habits (the drink) http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?n2bjtmemyyj [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 19:33, 29 September 2009 (CEST)

== Chris and Strength? ==

Chris seems to suffer form delusions that he's really strong and a good fighter. I'd go into more depth except that I'm not really strong nor a good fighter. All I know is that he's worse at both than me. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 06:26, 13 October 2009 (CEST)

== Weird section ==

The article currently says: "''Chris has probably never had any regular exercise since leaving high school, and the lack of physical activity has contributed to his already ballooning shape. It has also left his skin a frightening white that starkly contrasts to the dark background of his room while making videos.''" Now, I'm not a medical professional or anything, but I'm pretty sure exercise level doesn't have much to do with skin color. The second sentence should probably be moved or at least clarified.
*No, I think that's more or less sun. Trust me, if you can get him to push carts during the summer at some Wal-Mart or whatever, his skin'll look a million times better. Of course, we're talking about Chris, who thinks item stockers in retail are "heavyweights".--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 20:24, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I have edited it as such:''"Since he barely leave his house and focus his time on playing videogames, his lack of exposure to the sunlight left his skin a frightening white that starkly contrasts to the dark background of his room while making videos."'' I hope it will please Mr. Anonymous... [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 20:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

==So when WAS the last time Chris took a shower?==
Seriously. What was the exact date of Chris's last shower? Considering how much he's divulged about his life it shouldn't be hard to aquire this information. [[User:Dann Woolf|Dann Woolf]] 13:30, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:*It's not as simple as you think. First, Chris is not the type of camera-whore who would record this. Then, He's in [[Homos|straight]] denial about this as you can read it in the article. Personally, my out-of-nowhere guess would be once a week or when the itching would became impossible to endure. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 15:47, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
:** If a guy is said to be smelling like rotten watermelon or rotting fish in the sun, he's probably not even showering once a MONTH. Has anybody actually ASKED him? [[User:Dann Woolf|Dann Woolf]] 15:31, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:***Do you think he would listen? Chris had learned over the years that making over-the-top claims and giving assurances of all sorts would allow him to avoid doing any action. So, if we ask him, be sure that he will repeat that he showers daily even if flies drop dead around him due to the stench. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 16:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
:****I've been brushing up on my psychology and according to Professor Jean M. Twenge of San Diego University in her book "The Narcissism Epidemic" It illustrates that Narcissists are extremely fragile to criticism and with his autism and child like personality it would be no surprise if chris chan has spent several months/days without showering (just look at that brownish crust on his neck) And I imagine that even if he does he probably doesn't shower thoroughly enough to get rid of his...err aroma.--[[User:Pikimon|Pikimon]] 18:01, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==Is he in danger of developing diabetes?==

Its just speculation on my part but with a 60 ounces of coke a day habit and whatever other high sugar foods he is eating combined with his obesity as well as the possible hypertension make me wonder if he is at risk. [[User:Shawths|Shawths]]
* It's probably very possible. I mean, the sugar content in McDonald's is high, and in even a 330ml can of Coke (11fl oz. approx.) there is about 60% of an adult's daily sugar allowance.. Maybe if we try and get information from him that we can cross-reference to a list of diabetes symptoms, such as exceptional thirst, dry mouth and frequent urination. [[User_talk:Rubidium|37]] [[User:Rubidium|'''Rb''']] [[Special:Contributions/Rubidium|85.468]] 17:21, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
** Could I maybe send him a letter leading him on to list any of these symptoms in operation Mailbag?[[User:Shawths|Shawths]]
*** Chris is at high risk for pretty much everything that obesity can cause.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 06:46, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
**** Chris is at a higher risk for everything he ignores. Right now, I still think he's on a higher risk of suffering a bad case of staph infection than anything else. He got no notion of hygiene, his immune system is crushed by his lifestyle and he's living in a dump. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 07:31, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
*****Forget staph; he's at risk for freaking leprosy. [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 08:37, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
*It wouldn't be surprising if he had diabetes already. Have you seen his complexion? Early age spots are a possible sign of diabetes and that combined with the fact that he gets tired easily makes me believe that he might already have diabetes. PS I'm a newfag with wikis so I hope this works.
** Protip. Sign your comments by putting <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> at the end of your comment, so we all know you are AFK4Life. [[User_talk:Rubidium|37]] [[User:Rubidium|'''Rb''']] [[Special:Contributions/Rubidium|85.468]] 09:34, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
*** The reason I suggested a letter was so that we could get a confirmation about the liklyhood of him having diabetes. Although it is probably true. [[User:Shawths|Shawths]] 10:25, 26 Febuary 2010 (UTC)
****This will fail in two distinctive ways; not only he barely take notice of the unpleasant letters in the mailbags but he's also certain that he's the living example of what a healthy man looks like. This being said, I will take great pleasure in knowing he would have to stab himself with a syringe again and again due to a disease caused by his fat ass. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 17:10, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
***** However, considering that Chris is more interested in spending his tugboat money on video games and sex toys, it's more likely that he will fall into a diabetic coma because he didn't want to spend the money on urgent medical supplies. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 17:19, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
****** I will have to disagree with you on this. I am ready to bet that the moment Chris will need insulin or any other medication, not only the said medication will be brought to him freely by the glorious state of Virginia but he will also be followed by a social worker. We have to include the fact that Chris took medication before. In the [[Autism papers]], it is mentioned that he took paxil for four years. So, yes, he can follow a regiment of drugs. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 21:26, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

That's another thing that bothers me--why was he on Paxil? I hear that it treats two things--depression and excessive urination. Either way I want to know what prompted it.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 21:34, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
* Interestingly enough, paxil has been known in some paitents to cause outbursts of anger: http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=19&m=203440
:It is mainly prescribed to treat depression, but is also occasionally prescribed to individuals who complain of extreme stress. It is possible that the lumberjack and snorlax got Chris a prescription thinking it would mellow him out, or it may be that Chris has been very depressed and the paxil was specifically prescribed to him for his depression. Considering his goals in life, and his chances of achieving them, it is quite likely (even with Chris's limited mental foresight) that he has realized that his goals are almost certainly unachievable, and thus he is depressed. [[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 18:25, 14 June 2010 (EST)
::It is interesting to see when Chris started taking paxil. If we refer ourselves to the Autism paper (Circa 2004), it tells us that the ManChild was on that medication for the last 4 years. This bring us to the end of his High-School years and his enrolment at the PVCC. There's a possibility that it was suggested to Chris's parents to put him on meds to help him with the transition from one setting to another. After all, autistics love patterns and the loss of those patterns can cause stress and bouts of 'Tard-Rage. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 02:21, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Inability to Recognize Faces ==

I think it should be mentioned that the inability to recognize faces is a very common trait of Autism. The fact that Chris cannot recognize faces confirmed (to me) that he definitely has a form of autism before those psychiatric evaluations were released.

Also, a lack of smell-sensory is another symptom of autism. This is definitely far from the only reason that Chris never showers, and not all Autistic people lack a sense of smell, but still I thought I should mention it.(Wiki newfag here; I hope this works.) --[[User:Windyshoot|Windyshoot]] 09:02, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

At first,I read inability to recognize feces. LOL! --[[User:Kawaiidesubakachan|Kawaiidesubakachan]] 02:14, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

Im autistic and i remember faces more than names.[[user:MrMaXimo|MrMaXimo]] 12:45, 28 2010 (PST)

A lack of facial recognition is fairly common, or facial confusion. I believe it tends to be more of an issue for quick introductions, though, not anyone who there's been an extended interaction with. The second part is, however, just my own experience with the 'sperg and should NOT be taken as a universal.[[User:Zekedms|Zekedms]] 19:42, 23 February 2011 (PST)

== Chris's obesity ==

In response to to how much weight chris gained during his apearence in the pimp my ride video, someone in the talk section asked for a comparison between chris's breast and those of a big chested woman. after combining the image below i noticed that chris has gained so much weight that his man-boobs have become massive. what i'm trying to ask is if the image could be included in the chris and obesity section. [[User:MoarLurk]]
[[file:Compare.jpg|300px|right]]

:I made that image with pretty much that purpose. Also if you notice, chris's boobs are bigger.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 22:05, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
::I suspect that Chris has a hormonal imbalance. Even with his corpulent physique, his breasts are disproportionately large, and his nipples look like pepperonis. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 22:07, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
:::That's exactly what he has. This is typical of gynecomastia. [[User:Hamsterjelly|Hamsterjelly]] 06:24, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
:::The though of Chris's nipples...cannot unsee.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 22:14, 14 June 2010 (UTC)
::::We have pictures of them, remember? We've seen the man screwing a blow-up doll. How can his nipples be close to that disturbance? --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 16:51, 15 June 2010 (UTC)
:::::Anything involving the naked body of that man is of the deepest bowels of hell or Rhyel.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 17:08, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

== Hormonal imbalance ==
i've beggining to suspect that chris suffers from hormonal imbalance, it would explain his high pitched voice and the overgrown mantits and acne at that age. Poor hygiene can explian the acne a bit. Obesity can explain the mantits, but to Chris's level, it has to be the hormones, I think he has an exess of strogen in his system.--[[User:Basgon|Basgon]] 04:46, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

:*Disclaimer: I am not a doctor. ... but it could be testosterone. My understanding is that the human body can only tolerate so much testosterone; any excess is converted into estrogen (or oestrogen). Given that in addition to his [[Collosal|Collosal Chris Chan]] manboobs Chris appears to display uncontrollable bouts of anger ("Shouting loud enough to wake the dead" over a slightly overpriced cup of coffee), has great difficulty keeping his hands [[Kacey|off]] [[Megan|women]], constantly obsesses about sex and generally acts like a horny 16 year old when he's 28 seems to suggest that, perhaps, he has a large amount of testosterone in his system and the excess is being turned into estrogen. An outside observer with absolutely no idea who Chris is might even suggest steroid abuse (before anyone jumps in with 'but Chris is weak!', steroids don't make you STRONG, they're just basically horse urine which is huge amounts of testosterone. It bulks you up a great deal, but if you take steroids and don't work out, you get really fat and get huge mantits). It's times like these I wish the mailbags were still going, so we could ask Chris directly if he was taking steroids. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 05:01, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

::*I'm sure there may be a hormonal imbalance, but I think the cause may well be Klinefelter's. Chris-Chan fits a fair amount of the general symptoms, and I'm surprised it hasn't been further investigated. Small/malformed penis and testicles, slowly developing and altogether missing male secondary sex characteristics, the extremely high voice, the suggestions of gender confusion and sexual orientation difficulties, not to mention the prominent breasts. Those are developed much more than one would expect for someone at his fitness level, despite how low it is. Of course, since nobody's bothering to run fertility tests on him, confirmation on such a thing would be VERY difficult. But at this point, XXY makes more sense to me than anything.[[User:Zekedms|Zekedms]] 03:56, 20 February 2011 (PST)

:::No. He grows facial hair easily, and the associated hypogonadism means lower decreased testicular hormone/endocrine function, not smaller genitals. His obesity and autism explain pretty much all of his symptoms. Chris's voice isn't especially high, except when he freaks out. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:44, 20 February 2011 (PST)

::::No, it isn’t Klinefelter's. It’s already been addressed in detail in one of the speculation topics, so to spare a TLDR I’ll be brief. Not only is there no evidence pointing to it, but his phenotype is incompatible with the condition. His integumentary problems: his acne & bad complexion, androgenic baldness, fat distribution pattern(fat in the gut first is a testosterone induced thing), shows that his body has no shortage of testosterone. Since he has that much fat, some of it is bound to go and cause manboobs, that’s pretty much like any guy will get when they cross over to obesity.(The fat means more horomones & some of the exess T will be converted to estrogen, but obviously not enough to overpower the testosterone turned DHT's effect on his skin& hair) Also since the latest molecular research into autism shows that estrogen acts as a promoter for several genes that are linked to protecting against autism while testosterone methilates them, it’s unlikely Chris has ever been estrogen dominant, and it’s likely he was exposed to too much testosterone in utero. It’s not <del>Lupus</del> Klinefelter's.-[[User:Kei|Kei]] 21:25, 21 February 2011 (PST)

==Wes Iseli==

This article mentioned an non-sourced comment from Wes Iseli about Chris's funk during his PVCC days. I know it's not an official statement, but does any one know where or who that came from? ---[[User:ConCat|ConCat]] 17:17, 28 August 2010 (PDT)

== WeighIn ==

Should we add the new information about his weight we learned from this new video? We should also probably add something about why he must weigh 216 despite having the body we all see. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 16:31, 26 October 2010 (PDT)

== Page Blanked? ==

Why did youdonttellmewhattodo blank the page? Is he trying to troll us, or is there an actual reason for this?--[[User:Rena-kun|others > ;0; ;0; ;0; ^-^ < Rena-kun (me)]] 20:05, 17 July 2011 (PDT)

== Klinefelter ==

Could it be that Chris also suffers from the conditition known as Klinefelter Syndrome?
He has many of the symptoms:
*Unnatural large breasts
*Narrow bones
*Weak muscles
*Small genitalia
*High-pitched voice
*Little body and facial hair
*(Mild?) mental retardation (or, at the very least, below-average intelligence)
*Small hands and feet
*Obesity
I think it's pretty likely Chris has this discease. Maybe on top of other things, but it would explain a lot of his physical characteristiscs and behaviour I'd say. [[User:Charles|Charles]] 02:39, 29 November 2011 (PST)

== Broken source ==
The link to the first source seems to be broken, Chris' email responses in the linked "mailbag" are definitely not from Chris.--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 18:41, 23 April 2012 (PDT)

== When was the last time Chris went to a doctor? ==

Seriously. He's obese,rarely showers, most likely doesn't brush his teeth, and lives in a house infested with bugs that left Bob covered in so many bites he had to be hospitalized. The aforementioned might happen to live off blood, and could pass on diseases to hosts. It's highly unlikely that he has been vaccinated recently as he would rather stay home and play video games (considering Chris rarely leaves his house, however, this might not be too big of a problem), possible vitamin D deficiency from going outside, and unless Chris used protection, he may have an STD. How can any doctor allow this?--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 19:22, 11 May 2012 (PDT)
:While 1) this isn't a forum... 2) Chris has not been giving out information about his life like he used to (or that we know of)... so as far as we KNOW, it was when he was "with" Kacey. He talked about going to the doctor quite a bit while emailing/phoning Kasey. The first time when he had to take some stress meds and his doctor took him off, and then he found out he was 206lbs, the other when he talked about his penis size and how to enhance it.... and another time when he said he had an appointment. I think he probably does get check-ups once in a while..but all he'd have to do is brush his teeth and shower before going and that'd be good enough to disguise a lot of what's going on. He's the only one that lives on his floor, and he rarely leaves his room, any bugs that may have lived with Bob or Barb probably don't hitch a ride with him to produce the number bites Bob had.--[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 19:36, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

== Shower ==

Should it be noted of the poor condition his shower is in? Even in the tiny glance of the reference picture? I wouldn't want to shower in a place that likely had mold, though if it were me, I wouldn't have let it get to that point in the first place! --[[User:SerenityMoonstone|SerenityMoonstone]] 23:25, 15 May 2012 (EDT)

== Chris's hatred toward psychotherapy ==

I've been wondering why Chris acts so damn hostile towards therapists. Is it due to his ego, or maybe something else? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 20:14, 13 September 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Chris and health

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Talk:Autism

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Steampunk Mage:

==To do==
*List things Chris has blamed on his autism (like inability to get a girlfriend).
*the e-mail from the Miyamoto saga where he discusses the differences between autism and Asperger's syndrome.
*possible insight from the song [[A-U-T-ISM]]. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:39, 23 March 2009 (CET)

== Some other things caused by autism==
Chris bad hygiene might be caused by sensory overload, meaning that things live showering are actually extremly unpleasant or even hurtful for him.
Autistics are very picky eaters; food has to have a certain texture and taste or they have a hard time eating it. And since fastfood is basically all the greasy same...
The last thing is something that actually plagues many females with Asperger: They don't feel fully like a woman but also not like a man, their animus and anima are balanced out.
I know this stuff from the German book "Aspergirls" which is about women with Aspergers... Don't know if there is an English translation of it, but I wanted to share these insights with you. --[[User:Raspberry|Raspberry]]

== Question for people who know anything about psychology ==

This is just something I was thinking lately - I realised that good character design needs empathy too. Would anyone say that Chris's lack of empathy also shows up in his character designs? Because to me, he seems to be unable to come up with characters that are outside of his own capabilities, or their polar opposites. His "hero" characters all seem to think like he does. For example, Simonla (or whoever it was) in the date ed episode wanted to name her daughter before she's even found her date - ''because that's what Chris does too''. His villain characters seem to be all based on his views and prejudices, and polar opposites of what he believes in, which makes it easier for him to picture them. Just look at Jason's rant in the Rage Against Garbage: rather than giving the characters unique personalities, he makes them list why they are evil. Good guys are good guys because they do things that are positive in Chris's mind, and bad guys are bad because they do things Chris doesn't approve of. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 13:30, 11 July 2009 (CEST)
*I think that's a fair thing to say. That's why most autistics and ASS PIES tend to become physicists or mathematicians and not writers and poets. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:44, 23 November 2009 (CET)

== Autism papers==
Incorporate shit from [[Autism papers]] into here. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:44, 23 November 2009 (CET)

==Chris and Asperger Syndrome==
I propose that we make this into a section on this article, as Chris has made his childish stance on Asperger's pretty clear. He went from seemingly confusing it as Alzheimer's Disease to out right denying it as an Autistic Spectrum Disorder or even a disorder similar to autism for some other kind of issue, likely an egotistical one. What does everyone else think?--[[User:Goatselover|Goatselover]] 20:17, 28 November 2009 (CET)
* Not a bad idea. The Asperger's paragraph takes up a big chunk of the intro there, and I think I some more grist for that mill has shown up since that bit was written. Chris is still confused on the whole Alzheimer's/Asperger's tip, he obviously had them mixed up during the Father Call. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 20:31, 28 November 2009 (CET)

With his recent rants on the subject, which seem to indicate that he hates aspies the same way he hates homos, I'm thinking Aspergers Might deserve it's own article. Anyone with me on this? --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 06:02, 5 December 2009 (CET)
* Yeah, if people wanna break down the comparison between autism and Asperger's in detail and extensively excerpt from the reams of all-over-the-map stupid shit Chris has said about it in the Mailbag, I think that should be its own article. Like I say, I thought the subsection of this article was getting way too big and unwieldy with all the pull quotes and whatnot. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 08:15, 5 December 2009 (CET)
*Very good idea. I was going to transform the Asperger's CWCipedia article into it but I think we can still have a separate article on Asperger's and another of just CWCipedia's article since it's a major Chris writing that explains the difference. But definitely, Asperger's can become a separate article since we have a lot of details now, not to mention it's a huge, recurring theme in the Mailbag which can also be documented. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:02, 5 December 2009 (CET)

I think that it really needs to be noted that many people think of "Aspergers" and "high-functioning autism" as being essentially identical and interchangeable, so for that reason, a lot of people assume that Chris "has" Aspergers (whatever that means) and/or claims to have Aspergers (which is definitely not true). I'm not even sure if there really is a universal consensus regarding a distinction between the two. [[User:Senzuri|Senzuri]] 16:27, 5 December 2009 (CET)

Asperger's syndrome should still be mentioned here, as people might be coming here expecting to see something about Asperger's, so something brief about how Chris views Asperger's syndrome as being different from autism, with a ''Main article: [[Asperger's syndrome]].'' --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:51, 19 December 2009 (CET)

==Does he even have any idea what autism is?==

He seems to talk a lot about his "autistic shell" and the autism "putting the mute button on him" when he was younger. Is there any evidence to suggest that he thinks autism is anything other than just difficulty speaking?

True, there are language delays associated with autism, but his description of his autistic shell sounds more like anxiety over knowing that every single social interaction he's ever been in before whichever one he's in his autistic shell over has failed miserably. His fucked-up and out-of-control behavior that he refuses to do anything about trying to change is more symptomatic of autism than his knowing other people aren't going to respond well to it. I mean, if you were a grown man thinking about blithering on to a decent human being about the piece-of-shit, sexually perverse, rip-off children's comic you center your life around but never draw, wouldn't you be a little anxious about it, too?

Am I just fucked up here, or...? —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 19:18, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
: I'm pretty sure that he has a general idea about what it is and what it does, but since this is Chris we're talking about; I doubt that we should expect him to understand all of it. --[[User:Shotaru|Shotaru]] 19:28, 17 May 2010 (UTC)
::Maybe. I mean, maybe he can define it or read off a printout of a description of it or whatever, but can you think of any specific reference he's made to any symptom in his life other than having difficulty talking? Not in general like just that he's a virgin or something—not that he doesn't blame that on not talking and people hating autistic people or whatever. —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 05:16, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::I think you're on to something. I don't know that there's much we can actually write about it, because most of what there is to say would be guesswork and inference, but I'd wager that most of what Chris knows about autism boils down to: one, he has it, two, it makes him special, and three, it's a catch-all excuse. The autism awareness/sports bra video might be a springboard for adding a new section to the article, maybe - when Chris wanted to talk about autism in any kind of detail he had to print himself out a crib sheet from Wikipedia. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 11:34, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: Well, he definitely doesn't understand all of it, but I can imagine his parents nagging him about it to an extend where he at least has a general idea of what it does. I agree with Dkaien though, you're definitely on to something. --[[User:Shotaru|Shotaru]] 12:14, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
:::: I can definitely understand wanting to avoid guesswork and inference. Obviously, no one knows exactly what's going on inside someone else's head. I guess at the very least I'm suggesting a list of things Chris ''hasn't'' blamed on his autism that maybe he should. He claims to hate autism and want a cure for it and this and that, but then he fucking ''loves'' Sonichu as though Sonichu isn't just a major, debilitating symptom or outgrowth of the autism. —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 03:45, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

== Not entirely Chris related, but... ==

I just read an article in popular science about how there are more autistics now than trained therapists, so to cope with he shortage people are inventing "theraputic robots" that somehow make it easier for autistic children to be sociable. The results are pretty hit-and-miss at this stage but what I took away was that autistics are better at handling predictable machines, but could be gradually exposed to more unpredictable circumstances. Maybe we could apply this in future plans? I think the reason CWCipedia collapsed was either our trolling became too predictable, or we made his "comfort zone" too sporadic. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 02:30, 29 May 2010 (UTC)
:0.5% of the entire population is autistic and they recon that that population is rising, however autism is over-diagnosed. On Chris ide think the best way to troll him is to claim that he is not autistic and/or simply retarded. [[User:Leekduck|Leekduck]]
:Hmmmm! That idea ain't too shabby! I'd suggest discussing it in the troll forums. Perhaps that way we can finally obtain the Holy Grail of fail?---[[User:Bealtespip122|Bealtespip122]] 10:12, 4 September 2010 (PDT)

== List of autistics ==

Should we make a list of succesful people who have or are thought to have autism, and compare them to chris? I know of a lot of famous people who were diagnosed with autism, and a lot of people who were thought to have it.
*I was thinking about this for a while, but I don't really see how a detailed comparison is better than just saying "Chris does shit he can't blame on autism". What would be the advantage of this? [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 06:09, 20 December 2010 (PST)
*I think something like that would be too distracting to the Chris focus that the article should have, not to mention people who want to see such as list can find one elsewhere. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:40, 20 December 2010 (PST)
* how about we make a link to the wikipedia for it --[[User:MrMaXimo|MrMaXimo]] 12:17 24 December 2010 (PST)

== This goes here? ==

I was reading over the last e-mail exchange with Jackie and Chris's phrase "Hurtful Truth Level" jumped out at me as another example of him making things concrete in his mind, such as Scale of Respect or Heart Level. I made mention of it in what I think is the proper place in this article, but I was wondering if it deserves its own CWC-ism. [[User:Draygoon|Draygoon]] 23:12, 3 January 2011 (PST)

==Mainstreaming==
Like most everything else regarding autism, psychology, and, well, anything, Chris doesn't understand this. The ultimate goal of mainstreaming is to allow the patient to live as independently as possible in a normal environment, rather than being dependent on a caretaker to adapt the environment to suit the needs of the patient. In other words, adapt the autistic to live in the real world, as opposed to adapting the real world to fit the autistic. What mainstreaming means to Chris is to just not do any therapy at all and dump the kid into a world he/she cannot handle after being in retard day camp for a few years. It's amusing that Chris parrots good advice without actually knowing what it means. [[User:Anonymous one|Anonymous one]] 15:56, 2 April 2011 (PDT)

==Parental age==
There are studies showing a significant statistical correspondence between age of the parents (particularly the father) and the incidence of autism in the offspring. (Some studies show no correlation, but most authorities accept the theory.) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paternal_age_effect#Autism_spectrum_disorder Wikipedia link] This probably deserves mention on the page, but I'm not sure where to put it. [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 14:58, 2 May 2011 (PDT)

==Potential trouble for our autistic hero?==
http://t.co/pbwjRmpY --[[User:ItLurksInTheWalls|ItLurksInTheWalls]] 15:07, 25 January 2012 (PST)
:[[CWCki:NOTAFORUM|Not a forum]]. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 16:06, 25 January 2012 (PST)

== Connection With Obesity? ==

[http://www.latimes.com/health/la-he-autism-obese-mothers-20120409,0,1741964.story This LA Times story] talks about a link between fat ass pregnant women and autistic children. Is this worthy of mention? --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 21:42, 9 April 2012 (PDT)
:Barbara appears significantly thinner in older pictures than she does in more recent ones, so I doubt there's any connection.[[User:Bzam|Bzam]] 20:46, 25 November 2012 (PST)

== Genetics and Autism ==

Since autism is something that can be passed on to offspring, who did Chris get his autism from? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 03:14, 9 September 2017 (UTC)

Trolls

2017-09-03T14:33:06Z

Steampunk Mage: /* Today */

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{{quote|...[T]hey are vicious, crazy, wickedly smart people.|[[Chris]] on trolls.<ref>[[Tomboys_And_Tomgirls_of_Virginia#Friendship_Issues|Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]]</ref>}}
{{quote|What a world we live in, with such trolls in it.|[[Bubbles]], in [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]].}}

[[Image:Faceless Trolls.png|thumb|120px|The Furies]]
[[Image:Ff7troll.png|thumb|300px|Now for the [[HEXBox]].]]

'''Trolls''' (numbered about eight billion strong) are various individuals of all races, colors, and creeds united under a common goal - to ruin the [[Chris and the Internet|Internet]]'s most beloved and most hated [[autism|autistic]] manchild, [[Christian Weston Chandler]].

Trolling schemes by these individuals have ranged from hacking CWC's websites, making him take [[Nudes|pictures of himself unclothed]], and more.

==Pre-ED==
It is notable that Chris was bullied in real life before his discovery by [[4-cent garbage.com|4chan]] and [[ED]]. It can be argued that the first known torment of Chris occurred when his lifelong-friend-who-no-longer-speaks-to-him, [[Sarah Nicole Hammer]], [[Chris + Sarah's Life-Shares#Memories of childhood|locked him under the house]] when they were children. The next notable bullying occurred during the infamous mini-date with [[Hanna]] in [[2005]] which smashed his [[heart level]] to 15%. Around the same time, he was also trolled by a girl he contacted through [[MySpace]] named [[MySpace messages#Lindsay|Lindsay Kaye]]. There was also possible trolling of Chris through the guestbook on his website from as early as [[2003]], when "a hot redhead" said that she would meet him outside of [[PVCC]] (either this was epic trolling, or Chris put it on the guestbook himself). And let's not forget about [[Mary Lee Walsh]] and [[The GAMe PLACe]] hijinks.

But this was all child's play compared to what happened next....

== The Few, the Proud, the Elite ==

===Asperpedia Four===
Includes Alec Benson Leary (the creator of ''[[Asperchu]]''), [[Evan Christopher George]] (the creator of ''Simonchu'', and therefore [[Simonla]]), Sean August Watley (the creator of ''[[Moon-Pals]]''), and Mao Ling (the creator of the Asperpedia, which brought them all together).

[[Image:SirWilliamMaysOBE.jpg|left|80px|thumb|BILLY MAYS]]

=== [[BILLY MAYS]] ===
The individual who trolls as the loud-mouthed salesman of the same name, who types in ALL CAPS, and was declared the mayor of [[CWCville]] by Chris on 3 March 2009 while under pressure from [[BlueSpike#Max|Max]]. It is widely suspected that Chris himself had something to do with his untimely [[Chris and death|death]].

=== [[Blanca Weiss]] ===
[[Image:Blanka.jpg|80px|thumb|Blanca's true identity.]]

"Blanca" was really a trio of trolls (RickyRicardo123, Ickeriss69, and Nurse Icky-chan) who tricked Chris into sending them nudes, and later his [[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion]]. Ickeriss later uploaded a couple of [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzlUoAOpiak videos] featuring the Sonichu medallion, including a video in which the medallion is destroyed.

Not to be confused with [[Trolls#Lordsillynipples|LordSillyNipples]], who used the Blanca identity to score the first nudes.

=== [[BlueSpike]] ===
BlueSpike (AKA "LeonSpike", aka "Julie", aka "Max") is a thirteen-year-old boy who pretended to be Chris's [[sweetheart]] "Julie". He later revealed himself as a troll in a now infamous [[Julie Reveals Herself|hour-long audio recording]] in which he berates Christian and makes him stick his Sonichu medallion up his ass.

[[Image:BryanBash.jpg|thumb|left|80px|Bryan Bash (right) with your sister (left).]]

=== Bryan Bash ===
Bryan Bash is a close friend of [[Clyde Cash]]. He is the one who [[Hooker incident|sent hookers over to Chris's house]], as well as the person who called during the infamous [[Bob Walks In|"Bob Walks In"]] audio file, and is responsible for leaking [[CWCRockin4Way.jpg]]. Additionally, he leaked the [[Father Call]] and the [[Kacey and Liquid Call]] to [[/cwc/]] on 11 November [[2009]], and he has also leaked conversations between [[Chris]] and [[Jack Thaddeus]].

=== [[Clyde Cash]] ===

[[image:TheRealClydeCash.jpg|thumb|80px|right|Clyde Cash. The man. The legend. The guido.]]

The nefarious [[Clyde Cash]] is the most infamous and legendary of bullies. A vile and reprehensible fellow whose very name strikes fear and revulsion into Chris's clogged heart and inspires admiration from the souls of bullies. He posed as [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], raped Chris's beloved [[PandaHalo]], and performed many more amazing feats about which songs shall be written and the minstrels shall sing of in the ages immemorial. Unfortunately it will not come to pass since Clyde is serving a life sentence for stealing the identity of Lee Hotti.

=== [[Emily]] ===
A brave soul who went on a date with Chris. She was later saved by the [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Jew in the Pickle Suit]].

[[File:Ahuvia.png|thumb|left|80px|Jack Thaddeus]]

=== [[Jack Thaddeus]] ===
The possible successor (and gay lover) of Clyde Cash and is responsible for various [[PS3#PlayStation Network|PSN]]-related trollings and also for the [[CWCipedia]] ads.

[[File:Jimmuh hill.jpg|thumb|80px|Jimmy Hill]]

=== [[Jimmy Hill]] ===
An individual who posed as a British sportscaster. He claimed to be the true original creator of Sonichu, the first openly gay cartoon character that became very popular in Europe back in 2009.

=== [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] ===
The original creator of the [[ED]] page.

=== [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Jew in the Pickle Suit]] ===
A real-life pickleman who answers to Clyde Cash. He saved Emily from the clutches of Chris.

[[Image:CChanSonichuCWC.jpg|thumb|left|80px|The [[TRUE and HONEST]] Chris]]

=== [[Liquid Chris]] ===
A [[YouTube]] troll who is known for doing a spot-on impersonation of Chris-chan. Within his saga, Liquid Chris is referred to as the [[TRUE and HONEST]] Chris-chan and creator of the popular comic character Sonichu, and Solid is referred to as an angry troll named [[Ian Brandon Anderson]], who made outlandish claims that he was the real Chris.

=== Lordsillynipples ===
A troll from [[ED]] who was responsible for impersonating [[Blanca]] and being the first to obtain the now [[Pickles|infamous Chris-chan Noodz]] on 11 September 2008, along with [[Chris's DVD]]. She is also responsible for creating the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] and for feeding Chris the infamous guido picture of [[Clyde]].

=== [[Robert Simmons V]] ===
A YouTube troll who managed to gain Chris's trust by showing him support and mirroring his life. Along with [[Church audio|visiting Chris's church]] and meeting [[Bob Chandler|Bob]], he also had a hand in organizing the [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|Emily date]].

=== [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] ===
Shigeru Miyamoto (Japanese: 宮本茂) is the creator of some of Nintendo's most legendary video game franchises such as Mario, Zelda, and Star Fox. A troll posed as him. Chris fell for it completely. The troll got at him by pretending to be interested in his [[sonichu|yellow Sonic abortion]].

=== [[Sonichu]] and [[Rosechu]] ===

While there's no definitive proof of these two being trolls, they have been known to dispense advice for Chris from time to time, especially on the subject of relationships.<ref name="Jackie e 16">[[Jackie_E-mails_16]]</ref> Considering the [["Damian Antaria", PLEASE, Don't Leave Me - I NEED YOU!!!|results derived from said advice]], one cannot help but wonder about their [[Laughs Under Lucricities|true motivations]].

[[image:Tito 300.gif|thumb|80px|Surfshack Tito]]

=== [[Surfshack Tito (troll)|Surfshack Tito]] ===

An enigmatic troll who managed to invoke Chris's wrath on [[Surfshack Tito|two]] [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!|separate]] occasions by hacking his PSN and taking the blame for ruining Chris's slim chances with [[The Wallflower]]. He was also involved in the destruction of Chris's beloved [[PS3]].

[[image:TH.PNG|thumb|80px|left|Thorg]]

=== [[Thorg]] ===
A troll responsible for creating a [[20 December 2009|slanderous billboard]] in 2009 and exposing [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]] in 2011. A major part of Chris's 2011 [[Calling Out|blackmail campaign]].

[[image:Vivian.jpg|thumb|80px|Vivian]]

===[[Vivian Gee]]===
The creator of the ''Sonichu'' [[audiobooks]] and various other Chris-related videos and cousin of Clyde Cash. A former white knight who turned troll after she realized Chris was a [[Vivian Gee E-mails|hopeless, thick-skulled moron]].
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==Devil Trolls==
[[Image:DevilTroll.jpg|thumb|left|Artist's depiction.]]
[[File:ModNation TrollFemale.jpg|thumb|Featured in ''[[ModNation Racers]]''.]]

Aside from the several notable figures above, the '''Devil Trolls''' are mysterious, evil creatures that appear in Chris's ''[[Sonichu]]'' comic series. These creatures are first mentioned in [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]] and make their first full appearance in [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]].

Like many beings within Chris's comics, the Devil Trolls are inspired by his encounters in real life. Devil Trolls represent the various trolls that have given him such [[stress]] over his lifetime. This is shown when Chris encounters a set of them attacking a room containing his stuff from one of his earlier websites.

The Devil Trolls make their first mentioned appearance as some sort of grass protrusions taking away the fallen "[[IBAChandler]]" after Sonichu defeats him in ''Sonichu'' #9. They make their full appearance in ''Sonichu'' #10, as [[Chris-Chan Sonichu]] encounters them inside a room containing his pictures from his various websites. Seeing as Chris can't create anything without ripping off original designs, Devil Trolls resemble [[Wikipedia:Troll doll|those old Troll toys]], minus their gems, with long tails and demon-like wings. They also sport sharp teeth.
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== Motivations ==

===Chris's perspective===

Chris himself has a more simplistic view of what motivates his enemies. When a [[Mailbag]] correspondent asked him to explain why he's trolled, and why so many people seem to hate him, Chris had this ingenious response:

{{quote|"Tehy're just jealous that they did not think of [[Sonichu]] first, or that I am more [[Chris and art|Artistically Talented]] than they are."|[[Chris]], [[Mailbag 5|Mailbag #5]]}}

[[File:Trollll.PNG|thumb|Drawing of a troll appearing in [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]].]]

This is consistent with the advice given many children who are harrassed in real life: that bullies are merely jealous of you, and want to see you react unfavorably. Since Chris [[Count Graduon|never moved past]] [[Manchester High School|high school]] mentally, he still believes he is hated because [[Ego|he is so much better than everyone else.]]

From his own attempts to illustrate trolling, it's obvious that Chris has no concept of how it works. When he tried his hand at impersonation, he thought that we'd all be trolled if he pretended to be an epic troll, but then [[Jack|a troll]] saw through his lie and forced him to admit that he is, indeed, a fat idiot. Chris believes that trolling has two steps: pretend to be someone you're not and then "troll" someone by revealing who you really are. [[Silvana]], a character based on his perception of forum trolls who claim to be people they aren't, thinks it's hilarious to pretend to be [[Meg Griffin]], kiss Chris, and then transform once she's out of sight. As a result, Chris walks away happy, unaware that he just kissed a tranny, defeating the entire point of "trolling" him.

Recently, it seems that he's decided that the majority of his hated trolls are actually homosexuals, combining his two major hates into one massive force of nature. The earliest this is seen is [http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Mailbag&oldid=3208|a message he wrote] in his Mailbag section, exploding in rage over an added [[Twitter]] and how they could talk about him behind his back. Even more, in his [[Damien Antaria (CWCipedia Page)|CWCipedia article on The Wallflower]], Chris has also decided that the trolls are also [[niggos|black]].

Unsurprisingly, Chris also considers trolling a ''crime'', and has somehow dedicated himself to stop trolling. However, Chris's views on trolling are very very skewed, as he believes that ''all'' trolling is equal to what he had done to him. A [[EXCLUSIVE Manchester High School 2000 Reunion Required NOW|recent video]] actually has him tell people how to act on the Internet [[Chris and hypocrisy|mere moments after revealing his real name, address, and phone number]].

As the years passed, Chris's take on trolls has erupted into a massive flight of fancy. Because he has been refused admittance to [[The GAMe PLACe]], Chris has now proclaimed that the entire store is a massive front for Internet trolling, with [[Michael Snyder]] as the ringleader of it all. As well, he seems to have chosen the [[CWCki Forums]] as a major gathering place for trolls.

===His parents' perspective===
The [[Matthew Noble call]] in August 2010 revealed some interesting insights into Bob and Barbara Chandler's interpretation of what has happened to their son over the years. Chris's parents are apparently convinced that the entire Chris-chan Trolldom grew out of a conspiracy by Michael Snyder, two alleged homosexuals who frequented The GAMe PLACe (possibly [[Lucas]] and [[Mimms]]), and ''[[Megan Schroeder]]'', who worked to get Chris banned from the store and are involved with a general effort to harass and torment Chris. When speaking with Ivy, Bob described Megan with words like "cruel" and "German". Bob was convinced that it is all because they are persecuting Chris for being autistic, while in reality he was scaring away customers with his behavior and sexually harassing Megan.

It's useful to try to consider things from his parents' point of view. To begin with, there ''is'' a worldwide conspiracy, more or less, to pester the Chandlers, violate their privacy, drive their son to do ridiculous things, and otherwise fuck with them in a myriad of ways. Bob and Barbara are bombarded by prank phone calls all day, nude photos, God knows what else arrive in their mail, signs mysteriously appearing on their lawn, Chris having [[Kacey and Liquid Call|angry screaming matches]] with people they've never met on the telephone, Chris once drove off to Ohio to meet [[Julie|a woman who didn't exist]], and so on.

Being Chris's parents must be a fairly surreal experience at this point, and given that they belong to a much older generation, they can hardly be expected to develop the grasp of Internet social phenomena that they'd need to properly understand their situation. The GAMe PLACe, however small a piece of the bigger picture it may be, is the most significant real, physical element of Chris's adventures in trolldom that they've been exposed to. As ridiculous as their theory may seem, it's probably the best they can do as far as making sense of what has happened and continues to happen to them.

==Chris the Troll==

While the idea of everyone's favorite manchild becoming the one thing he hates seems kind of farfetched if not laughably ironic, it actually isn't too far off as one might think. Because of his horrendous misconceptions of what he thinks his trolls does, Chris believes that, if given a new target, Chris's trolls would gladly stop attacking him and go after that new target. In the past, Chris has tried to deflect his trolls towards people like [[Joshua Martinez]], [[Michael Snyder]] and even [[Mimms]]. However, Chris has been so entrenched with his trolls and viewers that the idea of going after someone else doesn't seem feasible anymore.

As well, Chris has even attempted to troll his own trolls. One of the first known attempts was the [[Rollin' and Trollin']] video, claiming that he had pulled the most epic prank on the Internet, only to turn around the very next day and reveal that it was a lie. [[Sonichu 10]], as mentioned above, had his comic book self thinking he had kissed [[Meg Griffin]], not knowing that it was actually [[Silvana]]. As well, on 28 [[April 2012]], he attempted to convince his trolls that he had decided to return to the mall and resume his [[Love Quest]], armed with his [[Attraction Sign]]. Again, he revealed the next day that it was a lie and that he had gotten [[ban]]ned from the mall just before he decided to pull it.

Interestingly, Chris's perception of being a troll is less about trolling to get a rise out of someone and more of attempting to pull a prank. His "return" to the Love Quest is probably the biggest indicator of that. Chris let his trolls know through his [[Facebook]], then waited a day before shouting "SURPRISE!" As well, he also believed that if someone reads his message, he's going to assume that everyone has and that they are going to descend on the mall like a bad flash mob just to find Chris. Too bad most everyone, unlike Chris, has lives of their own.

However, if there is one person that Chris himself has successfully trolled, without a shadow of a doubt, it's ''himself''. Proof of this can be directly pointed to his [[Ego#Surrendering_Information|bad habit of surrendering information]] about himself, no matter how [[Tomgirl|embarassing]], [[Nudes|demeaning]], or [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|downright]] [[Dox|stupid]] giving out said tidbits of himself would be. Chris often screams at his trolls for not leaving him alone, but, aside from the fact that his antics only add more fuel to the fire, he always fails to realise that if he didn't give them ammo to begin with, he wouldn't have ended up in this predicament. A shining example of this would be the [[2013 Imgur Leak]]. Chris could have ranted about the trolls, and most would have shrugged and assumed that [[Chris and anger|he's just being angry in typical Chris-Chan fashion.]] That is, until Chris revealed the reason ''why'' he got upset, inadvertently revealing the Facebook posts he was keeping a secret, as well as some [[Death Threats|very unsavory information]] that could get him arrested if taken seriously.

It just goes to show you, nobody trolls Chris better than Chris. Chris is the type to not only shoot himself in the foot, but reload, fire again, and repeat the cycle while blaming the trolls. He just never learns.

==Today==
:''Main article: [[Weening]]''
Since the death of [[Bob Chandler|Chris's father]], the [[Destruction Of Chris's House|loss of his home]] and [[Financhu Crisis|his plummet to the breadline]], Chris has changed profoundly. No longer is he the [[naive]], [[Chris and fashion|clown-shirted]], [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|indifferent]] [[Ego|egotist]] ED discovered in 2007, instead, he is a jaded, chronically depressed, [[Tomgirl|cross-dressing]] child trapped in an adult's body, who is not as susceptible to, capable of dealing with, and arguably, as deserving of trolling as he used to be.

Many of those who continue to follow his activities are beginning to opine that he has suffered enough, and that active trolling, even where it is successful, doesn't produce the [[Laughs Under Lucricities|results]] it used to, takes more effort due to his inflated paranoia, tends to lead to small groups monopolizing Chris and hoarding the information they gather (as happened with [[Blanca Weiss|Blanca]] and [[Catherine]]), and in some cases, causes needless emotional damage to Chris. For example, the revelation that Chris's latest girlfriend, Catherine, was yet another troll persona in early [[November 2014]] provoked disgust and disappointment, as many felt that not only was it [[Sonichu|unoriginal]] and [[JULAAAY|no longer funny]], but the trolls had spent weeks, if not months stringing him along and toying with him, including tricking him into [[I Love You, Catherine|grovelling]] for "Catherine"'s continued affection. Many felt this amounted to emotional abuse of an already broken and miserable shell of a man, some were even disappointed as they felt that after all Chris had gone through, he deserved a lucky break, and a real relationship for a change.

Further, this was accompanied by the revelation that the same group of trolls had also fabricated Chris's denunciation by his [[Gal-pals|high-school friends]], leading to many questioning the morality of impersonating Chris's old friends just to get a reaction out of him, and of course, the terrifying [[CWCVille|Orwellian nightmare]] that such trolling has left Chris in, as virtually every aspect of Chris's social life is engineered by trolls and he has no way of knowing what or who is real - [[Savannah Chandler|even his own family]]. This is perhaps partially responsible for his growing obsession with his [[Lego|hoarded crap]] and his preoccupation with his [[Homos#Chris the lesbian|new identity]] - it has gotten to the point that Chris's identity and his possessions are all he has which he knows for certain are real and not a troll fabrication.

Chris's transformation has also coincided with, and perhaps influenced, a shift in trolling. Active, chronic trolling such as Chris has experienced is now generally looked down upon as [[weening]] and attention whoring, instead it has become more fashionable to leave a lolcow like Chris to their own devices for the most part, and observe, rather than continually provoke. Proponents of this type of trolling note that many major events in Chris's life have happened independent of troll influence, such as him burning down his own home, his various outings to [[Charlottesville]] and beyond (and many subsequent IRL bans), his bizarre dealings with [[Mary Lee Walsh]] and of course, the infamous [[28 October 2011]]. It can also be argued that much (if not most) of the trolling that Chris experienced since his discovery in 2007 was ween as well, and that it may have partially caused his bitter, depressed and paranoid state today.

However, this newfound empathy evaporated on [[26 December 2014]], as Chris vandalized a [[Sonic Boom Protests|Sonic Boom]] display at his local [[GameStop]] before attacking an employee who was calling security - all caught on camera by a Tumblr user. This shattered any pity most people had for Chris mostly because of the way in which he conducted himself, commanding employees "Don't call anybody!" and generally behaving as if he were answerable to no-one throughout. One CWCki Forum commenter aptly described Chris' actions as "socially deaf", as naturally an aggressive, balding man shrieking at staff, wearing toy sunglasses turned a few heads. This is merely one of many cases in which Chris has dissipated the pity of trolls by bouncing back from his [[I Love You, Catherine|supposed]] [[To Mr. Smith|depression]] with an act of astounding [[Ego|hubris]] and [[Naive|stupidity]]. The revelation that Chris was in jail awaiting video court two days later was received with relief, and hopes that he may finally be forced to [[Chris and anger|learn]] [[Chris and his ego|lessons]] he should've been taught three decades ago.

Furthermore, in the following months, Catherine's correspondence with Chris and her side of the story were steadily leaked on Kiwi Farms, resulting in her being largely exonerated of her abuse of Chris, mainly because it turned out Chris himself was not exactly blameless, and the main purpose of "Catie" had been to try to contain Chris's growing madness and to help him, rather than to make bizarre demands of him or manipulate him in the ways previous sweethearts had. It was revealed that Catie had tried to tell Chris repeatedly that their outings together were not dates, and eventually that she was not interested in dating him, as he began to attempt to control her in ways eerily resemblant of [[Women's rights|domestic abuse]], namely, trying to prevent her from seeing [[JERKS|male]] [[Colin|friends]] and exploding with jealous rage when she did, insulting her, refusing to let her break up with him, making [[Barb|deranged claims of royal lineage]] in a bizarre attempt to command authority over her, and even claiming that he was ''entitled'' to a relationship.

All of this has proven that Chris is not worth sympathizing for, since he keeps on getting worse.

On 27 December, a troll joined Chris's "FIX SONIC'S ARMS IMMEDIATELY, SEGA!!!" group and posted a link to the video from the day before. Eventually, more and more trolls joined and the group eventually became littered with photos of Chris's trigger, as well as people mocking him, and other forms of [[ween]]ery.

==See also==
* [[4-cent garbage.com]]
* [[CWCki]]
* [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]]
* [[PVCC (Message Board)|PVCC]]
* [[Rollin' and Trollin']]
* [[White knight]]
* [[A-Logging]]
* [[Weening]]
* [[Kick the Autistic]]

==References==
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{{Trolls}}
{{People}}
{{Love quest}}

[[Category:Trolls]]
[[Category:Lists]]

Talk:Cole Smithey

2017-08-26T02:28:05Z

Steampunk Mage:

==To do==
*Emails between him and Chris
*Photo
*Link to his movie review website

== retardaton must run in chris' maternal family ==

Cole [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cat_in_the_hat/ gave] the Cat in the Hat a good rating. --[[User:One With The Lulz|One With The Lulz]] 20:08, 5 July 2009 (CEST)
:*Here's a proper link to what you're talking about: [http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2009/01/dr-seusss-the-cat-in-the-hat.html Cole's review].

Find the only positive review [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marmaduke/ here] for Marmaduke. p.s. Bob rocks. --[[User:One With The Lulz|One With The Lulz]] 12:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Legal Guardian? ==
i assume that he'll be watching chris after bob and barb die and the IRS takes the house, because Chris is too retarded/lazy to pay taxes---[[User:Dan Dash|Dan Dash]] 03:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

nope when Bob and the snorlax dies he'll just live on the streets--[[User:HansAsperger.|HansAsperger.]] 14:36, 7 March 2011 (PST)[[userHansAsperer.]]04/52, 6 March 2011 (azt)

== shared traits ==

I recall reading somewhere that Chris was going prematurely bald. Idk if this is a trol comment or what, but look at Cole on Chris's 18th birthday. He himself is going bald, and Chris is the same age as he was during Chris 's birthday. So...I guess they have a little in common.--[[User:Howsyourham|Howsyourham]] 03:30, 31 July 2009 (CEST)

Cole was 37, not 27. get your facts straight. --[[User:Dan Dash|Dan Dash]] 02:11, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Wikipedia ==

How do we know this is actually Cole? Chris is popular, as is Cole, anyone could be impersonating him, just as there are people who pretend to be Bob, Snorlax, Alec, Clyde, etc. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
*Because people edit their own articles all the time. It's highly unlikely that an impersonator would be spamming links to Cole's reviews, and ''very'' likely that the genuine article is. Also, the article was edited by 68.174.85.191, an IP from Herndon, Virginia which also matches the User:Cole Smithey account. [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] 01:13, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
**Except, as pointed out in this article and on his personal website, Cole Smithey lives in Manhattan, not Herndon, Virginia. [[User:Yawning Squirtle|Yawning Squirtle]] 02:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
***Ah, oops. Still, I think that edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Z_%28film%29&diff=prev&oldid=344566166 this] seem a little too intentional to be a fake. Dude's clearly spamming his own works to boost his ego. [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] 04:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

==dude!!!==
so i was looking up toy story criticism (i'm bored) and i found thissssss---
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Meet-The-Only-Two-People-Who-Hate-Toy-Story-3-19118.html
i came back here to check and the pics match up, lol. --[[User:Hellion|masta beta alum]] 18:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
edit--i'm retarded....but yeah

==Whoever did it==
Whoever came up with "successful escapees from the Casa De Chandler", I salute you.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 07:21, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
*Do we even know if he lived in that house though? It's very possible they lived in a different house, we really don't have any idea when Bob and Barb bought their house.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:43, 12 July 2011 (PDT)

== Has Cole been contacted about Bob's death? ==
He did say "let me know when that fuck Bob drops", so... yeah. [[User:Dann Woolf|Dann Woolf]] 14:11, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
:If Cole Smithey dares to desecrate Bob's memory, he will be almost as deserving of trolls as Chris. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 15:00, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
:: You guys sure are touchy about a dead racist, homophobic redneck. [[User:GUInterface|GUInterface]] 17:26, 24 September 2011 (PDT)
:: He did request to be informed, though. Is there a solid yes/no answer as to whether he's been contacted? ...Also, look at me, being two months late! [[User:Der Zuschauer|Der Zuschauer]] 07:46, 22 November 2011 (PST)

== youtube site ==

Does anyone think this is his real YouTube account?

http://www.youtube.com/user/colesmithey

== Unnecessary sections? ==

I'm not sure if we really need those section about Cole's previous acting gigs and the whole eBay shenanigan. It's doesn't seems to pertain to Chris in anyway other than that it pertains to his half brother. I would see the merit of such info in the article if Cole was as significant in Chris's life as Bob and Barb, but the way I see it Cole is a relatively minor figure in the tale of Chris-chan, even Megan is a more important character than him. I think those two sections should be removed from the article, though if anyone disagrees I'd like to read their opinions. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 11:40, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:Yeah, you're right, it isn't totally relevant to Chris, but I just thought it would be interesting to have. I agree, it isn't terribly notable, Cole's eBay hijinks definitely don't deserve their own page, or a mentioning on the mentioning, but they fill in the void of info on Cole. Imo, it's no different from the irrelevant info on Chris's other families or his sweethearts' non-Chris-related "biographies." It's just a small section that gives a little info on Chris's half-brother, someone who's one of the more memorable family members, and I don't see how it will hurt the Wiki. Thanks.[[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:05, 1 October 2011 (PDT)

== Second time ==

This is the second time that we've deleted interesting, funny information about Cole because it has nothing to do with Chris. Are we really going to keep doing this? Are two tidbits of information going to destroy the CWCwiki? --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 11:43, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:I'm a newbie, so maybe I fucked up. I tend to do that a lot. An article about it is too much, but I just don't see the harm in having extra info on Cole. If nothing else, it shows that both he and Chris have big egos. Maybe it's genetic? [[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:12, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:::I was not flaming you, Barry. I am in '''support''' of your addition, as well as other information on Cole. I was trying to say that including the information on Cole should not be a big deal, but I can't argue against Wiki policy. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 15:20, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:See [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is about Chris|this]]. The info which was removed from the article is not line with this wiki's policies and unless it can shown to directly pertain to Chris it should not be there.
::Heh, no it's my fault. "I'm a newbie, so maybe I fucked up. I tend to do that a lot. " Now that I think about it, it does sound angry. I was just kidding around, because really, I'm still new, and still getting a feel for the place. Sorry if I came off wrong. [[User:Barry|Barry]] 16:38, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:In regards to Barry's point that the info which was removed from this article is "no different from the irrelevant info on Chris's other families or his sweethearts' non-Chris-related "biographies."" First of, there's a big difference between articles on current and past major players in Chris's life (such as Bob, Barb and maybe even Megan) and articles on bit players such as Cole. Barb and Bob are people with whom Chris interacts/interacted on a daily basis; the more info we have on them the better we can understand their character and therefore their relations with Chris. But Cole was never a big figure in Chris's life. He left the house when Chris was still a baby, and it seems they've spent little time with each other. As there's hasn't been much of a relationship between the two, there's not much to gain insight to by adding more info about Cole. I think that Joshua Martinez, Anna McLaren and Chris's different gal pals from high school were bigger figures in his life than Cole.

:You can't compare Cole to Chris's past sweethearts either. You have to remember most of them (with the exceptions of Megan and the Wallflower) weren't real and so their "biographical info" is actually the info about them which was presented to Chris. If Chris believes it than it most definitely belong on the CWCki.

:I see that the section about Cole's past acting gigs is still up. I don't think it should be here either, though if anyone disagrees I'd like to hear them. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 13:58, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
::Cole is interesting, to me at least, because he's a polar opposite to Chris and his conservative family. Then on the other hand, even though he's more sympathetic, he has ego issues just like Chris. But yeah, that's just him, and not Chris. I did some thinking and I guess you're right, he isn't very relevant.
::I still think the eBay stuff and other things would be nice to have, just for entertainment, but that's more of a policy thing. [[User:Barry|Barry]] 16:38, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
::*Not to egg on you, dude, but NegaCWC has a point. Not picking on you but I think we need to work on focusing biographies to what is necessary to understand their relationship with Chris. A lot of stuff, like their personal life, really isn't appropriate and it comes off as stalkerish and unlike Chris, these people will care if they get trolled or stalked. An extreme case of this was with The Wallflower, which is why we can't even say her name, because people made her page full of her online activity and it was just a mess.
:::In any case, if people wanna know funny stuff about Cole, they can look it up themselves but for the purposes of this wiki, it's not necessary as it's irrelevant to our purpose. Remember, we're not about being "entertaining" or funny either.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:01, 2 October 2011 (PDT)
::::Then why do we have so many reaction images? --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 09:29, 2 October 2011 (PDT)
::::*If you haven't noticed, we're [[CWCki:Policy#Removal_of_.22Reaction_Images.22|getting rid of them]].--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:49, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
:::I guess he's right. It really isn't Chris-related. Plus, I don't really want to go against policy. To be honest, I never read that one before. Guess I should lurk more. [[User:Barry|Barry]] 13:55, 2 October 2011 (PDT)

== Nudes ==

So the trolls apparently sent Cole the nudes with Chris's e-mail, so I did a quick search for a source. It was totally dry. I think Cole cutting off contact with Chris is a pretty big deal, so should we remove the message until it gets sourced? [[User:Barry|Barry]] 19:00, 2 October 2011 (PDT)

== Why Cole did not end up a failure like Chris ==

I've been wondering about how Cole was able to live a normal life, unlike Chris, especially since the two grew up in the same household with the same parents. Now I've started thinking that it's possibly because of Cole not having autism (I assume); any thoughts? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 20:41, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
*Cole didn't grow up with the same parents. He was raised by Barb and, by his own claims, an abusive stepfather named [[Barbara_Chandler#Jerry_Harmon|Jerry Harmon]]. He presumably left home shortly after Barb married Bob. As for why he escaped, I think the lack of autism is part of it but there's also the fact that his parents actively drove him away instead of coddling him into his 30s. Not than a pretentious movie critic reliant on e-begging is a particularly dignified lifestyle except by comparison to Chris. [[User:Ericitos Verdes|Ericitos Verdes]] ([[User talk:Ericitos Verdes|talk]]) 21:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
**So how come Barb cared about Chris, but not Cole (considering she pampered him due to the actions of an abusive babysitter)? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 02:27, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Cole Smithey

2017-08-26T02:27:22Z

Steampunk Mage: /* Why Cole did not end up a failure like Chris */

==To do==
*Emails between him and Chris
*Photo
*Link to his movie review website

== retardaton must run in chris' maternal family ==

Cole [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cat_in_the_hat/ gave] the Cat in the Hat a good rating. --[[User:One With The Lulz|One With The Lulz]] 20:08, 5 July 2009 (CEST)
:*Here's a proper link to what you're talking about: [http://www.colesmithey.com/capsules/2009/01/dr-seusss-the-cat-in-the-hat.html Cole's review].

Find the only positive review [http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marmaduke/ here] for Marmaduke. p.s. Bob rocks. --[[User:One With The Lulz|One With The Lulz]] 12:43, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

== Legal Guardian? ==
i assume that he'll be watching chris after bob and barb die and the IRS takes the house, because Chris is too retarded/lazy to pay taxes---[[User:Dan Dash|Dan Dash]] 03:00, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

nope when Bob and the snorlax dies he'll just live on the streets--[[User:HansAsperger.|HansAsperger.]] 14:36, 7 March 2011 (PST)[[userHansAsperer.]]04/52, 6 March 2011 (azt)

== shared traits ==

I recall reading somewhere that Chris was going prematurely bald. Idk if this is a trol comment or what, but look at Cole on Chris's 18th birthday. He himself is going bald, and Chris is the same age as he was during Chris 's birthday. So...I guess they have a little in common.--[[User:Howsyourham|Howsyourham]] 03:30, 31 July 2009 (CEST)

Cole was 37, not 27. get your facts straight. --[[User:Dan Dash|Dan Dash]] 02:11, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Wikipedia ==

How do we know this is actually Cole? Chris is popular, as is Cole, anyone could be impersonating him, just as there are people who pretend to be Bob, Snorlax, Alec, Clyde, etc. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:13, 22 February 2010 (UTC)
*Because people edit their own articles all the time. It's highly unlikely that an impersonator would be spamming links to Cole's reviews, and ''very'' likely that the genuine article is. Also, the article was edited by 68.174.85.191, an IP from Herndon, Virginia which also matches the User:Cole Smithey account. [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] 01:13, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
**Except, as pointed out in this article and on his personal website, Cole Smithey lives in Manhattan, not Herndon, Virginia. [[User:Yawning Squirtle|Yawning Squirtle]] 02:42, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
***Ah, oops. Still, I think that edits like [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Z_%28film%29&diff=prev&oldid=344566166 this] seem a little too intentional to be a fake. Dude's clearly spamming his own works to boost his ego. [[User:Apostrophe|Apostrophe]] 04:21, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

==dude!!!==
so i was looking up toy story criticism (i'm bored) and i found thissssss---
http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Meet-The-Only-Two-People-Who-Hate-Toy-Story-3-19118.html
i came back here to check and the pics match up, lol. --[[User:Hellion|masta beta alum]] 18:22, 27 June 2010 (UTC)
edit--i'm retarded....but yeah

==Whoever did it==
Whoever came up with "successful escapees from the Casa De Chandler", I salute you.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 07:21, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
*Do we even know if he lived in that house though? It's very possible they lived in a different house, we really don't have any idea when Bob and Barb bought their house.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:43, 12 July 2011 (PDT)

== Has Cole been contacted about Bob's death? ==
He did say "let me know when that fuck Bob drops", so... yeah. [[User:Dann Woolf|Dann Woolf]] 14:11, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
:If Cole Smithey dares to desecrate Bob's memory, he will be almost as deserving of trolls as Chris. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 15:00, 10 September 2011 (PDT)
:: You guys sure are touchy about a dead racist, homophobic redneck. [[User:GUInterface|GUInterface]] 17:26, 24 September 2011 (PDT)
:: He did request to be informed, though. Is there a solid yes/no answer as to whether he's been contacted? ...Also, look at me, being two months late! [[User:Der Zuschauer|Der Zuschauer]] 07:46, 22 November 2011 (PST)

== youtube site ==

Does anyone think this is his real YouTube account?

http://www.youtube.com/user/colesmithey

== Unnecessary sections? ==

I'm not sure if we really need those section about Cole's previous acting gigs and the whole eBay shenanigan. It's doesn't seems to pertain to Chris in anyway other than that it pertains to his half brother. I would see the merit of such info in the article if Cole was as significant in Chris's life as Bob and Barb, but the way I see it Cole is a relatively minor figure in the tale of Chris-chan, even Megan is a more important character than him. I think those two sections should be removed from the article, though if anyone disagrees I'd like to read their opinions. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 11:40, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:Yeah, you're right, it isn't totally relevant to Chris, but I just thought it would be interesting to have. I agree, it isn't terribly notable, Cole's eBay hijinks definitely don't deserve their own page, or a mentioning on the mentioning, but they fill in the void of info on Cole. Imo, it's no different from the irrelevant info on Chris's other families or his sweethearts' non-Chris-related "biographies." It's just a small section that gives a little info on Chris's half-brother, someone who's one of the more memorable family members, and I don't see how it will hurt the Wiki. Thanks.[[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:05, 1 October 2011 (PDT)

== Second time ==

This is the second time that we've deleted interesting, funny information about Cole because it has nothing to do with Chris. Are we really going to keep doing this? Are two tidbits of information going to destroy the CWCwiki? --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 11:43, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:I'm a newbie, so maybe I fucked up. I tend to do that a lot. An article about it is too much, but I just don't see the harm in having extra info on Cole. If nothing else, it shows that both he and Chris have big egos. Maybe it's genetic? [[User:Barry|Barry]] 12:12, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:::I was not flaming you, Barry. I am in '''support''' of your addition, as well as other information on Cole. I was trying to say that including the information on Cole should not be a big deal, but I can't argue against Wiki policy. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 15:20, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:See [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is about Chris|this]]. The info which was removed from the article is not line with this wiki's policies and unless it can shown to directly pertain to Chris it should not be there.
::Heh, no it's my fault. "I'm a newbie, so maybe I fucked up. I tend to do that a lot. " Now that I think about it, it does sound angry. I was just kidding around, because really, I'm still new, and still getting a feel for the place. Sorry if I came off wrong. [[User:Barry|Barry]] 16:38, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
:In regards to Barry's point that the info which was removed from this article is "no different from the irrelevant info on Chris's other families or his sweethearts' non-Chris-related "biographies."" First of, there's a big difference between articles on current and past major players in Chris's life (such as Bob, Barb and maybe even Megan) and articles on bit players such as Cole. Barb and Bob are people with whom Chris interacts/interacted on a daily basis; the more info we have on them the better we can understand their character and therefore their relations with Chris. But Cole was never a big figure in Chris's life. He left the house when Chris was still a baby, and it seems they've spent little time with each other. As there's hasn't been much of a relationship between the two, there's not much to gain insight to by adding more info about Cole. I think that Joshua Martinez, Anna McLaren and Chris's different gal pals from high school were bigger figures in his life than Cole.

:You can't compare Cole to Chris's past sweethearts either. You have to remember most of them (with the exceptions of Megan and the Wallflower) weren't real and so their "biographical info" is actually the info about them which was presented to Chris. If Chris believes it than it most definitely belong on the CWCki.

:I see that the section about Cole's past acting gigs is still up. I don't think it should be here either, though if anyone disagrees I'd like to hear them. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 13:58, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
::Cole is interesting, to me at least, because he's a polar opposite to Chris and his conservative family. Then on the other hand, even though he's more sympathetic, he has ego issues just like Chris. But yeah, that's just him, and not Chris. I did some thinking and I guess you're right, he isn't very relevant.
::I still think the eBay stuff and other things would be nice to have, just for entertainment, but that's more of a policy thing. [[User:Barry|Barry]] 16:38, 1 October 2011 (PDT)
::*Not to egg on you, dude, but NegaCWC has a point. Not picking on you but I think we need to work on focusing biographies to what is necessary to understand their relationship with Chris. A lot of stuff, like their personal life, really isn't appropriate and it comes off as stalkerish and unlike Chris, these people will care if they get trolled or stalked. An extreme case of this was with The Wallflower, which is why we can't even say her name, because people made her page full of her online activity and it was just a mess.
:::In any case, if people wanna know funny stuff about Cole, they can look it up themselves but for the purposes of this wiki, it's not necessary as it's irrelevant to our purpose. Remember, we're not about being "entertaining" or funny either.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:01, 2 October 2011 (PDT)
::::Then why do we have so many reaction images? --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 09:29, 2 October 2011 (PDT)
::::*If you haven't noticed, we're [[CWCki:Policy#Removal_of_.22Reaction_Images.22|getting rid of them]].--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:49, 3 October 2011 (PDT)
:::I guess he's right. It really isn't Chris-related. Plus, I don't really want to go against policy. To be honest, I never read that one before. Guess I should lurk more. [[User:Barry|Barry]] 13:55, 2 October 2011 (PDT)

== Nudes ==

So the trolls apparently sent Cole the nudes with Chris's e-mail, so I did a quick search for a source. It was totally dry. I think Cole cutting off contact with Chris is a pretty big deal, so should we remove the message until it gets sourced? [[User:Barry|Barry]] 19:00, 2 October 2011 (PDT)

== Why Cole did not end up a failure like Chris ==

I've been wondering about how Cole was able to live a normal life, unlike Chris, especially since the two grew up in the same household with the same parents. Now I've started thinking that it's possibly because of Cole not having autism (I assume); any thoughts? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 20:41, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
*Cole didn't grow up with the same parents. He was raised by Barb and, by his own claims, an abusive stepfather named [[Barbara_Chandler#Jerry_Harmon|Jerry Harmon]]. He presumably left home shortly after Barb married Bob. As for why he escaped, I think the lack of autism is part of it but there's also the fact that his parents actively drove him away instead of coddling him into his 30s. Not than a pretentious movie critic reliant on e-begging is a particularly dignified lifestyle except by comparison to Chris. [[User:Ericitos Verdes|Ericitos Verdes]] ([[User talk:Ericitos Verdes|talk]]) 21:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC)
*So how come Barb cared about Chris, but not Cole (considering she pampered him due to the actions of an abusive babysitter)? [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 02:27, 26 August 2017 (UTC)

Talk:A-Logs

2017-08-24T20:46:16Z

Steampunk Mage:

It's a start, but it could be a lot better. I'm only vaguely familiar with A-Log myself, so I'm not sure how much I could do to fix the article. While I don't want this to turn into an Encylopedia Dramatica article about A-Log himself, we need more direct comparisons to him and his actions to fully illustrate why this is discouraged.

If I might make a suggestion Champ, (and this is the only time I will ever say this), I think that this is something we'd need the /cwc/fags' help with. They're the ones who discovered A-Log, know everything about him, wrote his actual ED page, and let's be honest here; When you say the "broader CWC community", that's mostly referring to /cwc/. Why not go over there and put up an invite for them to help us define Alogging and educate the newfags? At the very least we might get some decent quotes from the anons explaining it a bit.

Just a suggestion. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 07:03, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

A couple of points...

:1) "Chris's discomfort for black people [...] is arguably more from failing to understand social norms in that you don't announce to the world you're discomforted by African American rather than of the ideology of white supremacy that your average KKK member would have"

:While I'm no Alogger or anything I think that his attitude toward blacks (and Jews) goes beyond merely not wanting to have sex with their women. Just at look at the way [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|he uses the n-word]]. Also let's not forget [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean]]. Also according to Mimms and Lucas Chris was always worrying that the black kids at the game place would try to steal his stuff, defintely a racist.

:His hatred toward homosexuals most definitely goes beyond regular homophobia. The casual American homophobe does not [[Mailbag 49#Chris loves his country|supports the repeal of DADT so more homos can die]] nor does he wish to [[CWC Address to Unilever About AXE|prevent them from buying certain brands of body spray]]. A typical homophobes does not wish to have homosexuals locked up and forced into reparative therapy either (I'm too lazy to dig up the chat where he advocates that but it's somewhere here on the wiki).

:Now granted, these are not good reasons for inflicting boddily harm upon Chris. He's too much of a pussy to commit hate crimes, too much of a lazy ass to go and harass people Westboro Baptist style and lacks any political clout to make his hare braind ideas a reality, but I still think that you're understimating his bigotry.

:2) Another argument that I can see aloggers using to justify their attitude toawrd Chris is his lawbreaking. I think that the best counterarguments would be: A) Chris's offenses are relatively minor and most aloggers would not wish physical harm upon a person other than Chris who has the same rapsheet. B) While Chris needs to be punished for his crimes, we already have the legal system for it and it's doing [[28 October 2011#Chris's|a bang up job]]. C) By advocating intentional infliction of bodily harm upon Chris, aloggers are being worse than him by supporting crimes far worse (both from a moral and legal standpoint) than anything he's ever done.

[[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 12:09, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

::Another nitpick: "White knights '''believe that Chris is capable of no wrong''' and try to help him [emphasis added]". I somewhat doubt that all white knights really think that Chris is completely blameless, and anyway that's not their defining characteristic. A person who thinks that Chris is much to blame for his current predicament yet also tries to stop the trolls and help Chris better himself is not a white knight? -- [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 16:43, 12 May 2012 (PDT)

*These are good points, NegaCWC and I think the fellow who added a bunch to the page addressed some of these concerns. It's a delicate issue, I want this page done right if it's going to be in the main namespace, so do you (or anyone else for that matter) think it's good to go now?--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:37, 30 May 2012 (PDT)
* If the fellow you're referring to is me, then yes, addressing some of those points was part of the intent of my last edit. As for whether the page is ready to go or not, I'm leaning towards "not just yet". Looking at it, there isn't really much in the way of hard information there, and a lot of it is within the confines of opinions and speculation (the arguments for and against). It feels to me a little more like something you'd see on a forum and not an article that could be referenced. I think a little bit more exposition on A-log himself, at least as far as his involvement in the ongoing saga that is Chris, and how the practice of "A-logging" came into being and came to be known as such, would probably make it feel more like an article. A little bit more fact and reference to balance out the opinion and speculation, so to speak. Course, that's just my opinion, and I'm just a noob. -- [[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 03:56, 1 June 2012 (PDT)
:*Like I said on the community portal, this is a tricky article because it doesn't exactly pertain to Chris directly in the same way [[white knighting]] does, or at least we don't have tangible documentation or anything like that of Chris responding to A-Logging. I really don't want to focus the article on A-Log, because 1) this is the CWCki and [[CWCki:CWCki_is#CWCki_is_about_Chris|the CWCki is about Chris]] and not so much ancillary characters like A-Log, especially given that Chris hasn't responded to anything he's done and 2) I'm more concerned about the mindset that was popularized by A-Log rather than the guy himself.
::I agree that in general, we should try to have articles based on facts and references rather than just our opinions and speculation. But I think this article might need to be an exception to the rule. The white knighting article started out as mostly dealing with the meta-topic of "Can Chris be helped?/I think I should try to help Chris" is probably one of the stages Chris trolls go through and it comes up time and again on Chris related sites. The problem with the White knighting article is that one can read it and end up thinking "Gee, Chris doesn't want help and he's not as innocent as he seems, that means he's an awful awful person and he should be punished." I think it should be pretty clear that Chris is not a spawn of Satan like A-Loggers would like to argue, it's common sense really. Maybe talking about A-Logging and what he did, merely to establish the type of behavior associated with A-Logging, would help make this more factual, with examples of A-Logging on various Chris related sites might flush it out and make it seem like an actual phenomena and less than speculation.
::Ideally I want this article to serve a few goals - 1) bring up this topic, because as I said, it comes up time and again and I think it's a significant meta-topic that warrants discussion, and 2) help CWCki readers and editors not be an A-Log. People have said it and they probably have a point that people often read the CWCki and think Chris is an awful, awful person mostly because we have a tendency to exaggerate for dramatic and rhetorical purposes. This article, coupled with a "Don't be an A-Log" rule in regards to article tone, related to [[CWCki:NPOV|NPOV]], would help the CWCki tremendously.
::At least, that's just my opinion. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:01, 2 June 2012 (PDT)
:*It'd be good if we could get a screencap of A-Logging from YouTube (there was some good quotes on a recent /cwc/ thread along these lines), perhaps a screencap from /cwc/ of someone A-Logging and someone replying with "HI A-LOG." -unsigned comment by [[User:Champthom|Champthom]]
*** Y'know, we DO have a good "HI A-LOG"-type message here - someone in the [[Chris and Money]] talk page was talking about Chris's SSI and trying to get rid of it.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 06:49, 1 June 2012 (PDT)

I went in and did a major revision to this page. This was originally on my user page so I took it out and put it on this page because i think the subject matter is relevant to this particular topic on people who may think of "A-Logging" over the Michael Snyder incident.
Kengel1021
* I'm not 100% certain that the revision in question, at least as it is currently worded and formatted, is wholly right for the article. Despite the potential relevance, it doesn't touch upon A-Logging at all, and talks solely about the incident on [[28 October 2011|28 October]]. Moreover, the points you raise are mostly in defense of Chris and his actions on that day. I can see the relevance to A-Logging, in the sense that one shouldn't A-Log Chris over this particular incident, but the reference is tangential at best. I would suggest editing your revision further to make it tie more directly to A-Logging, because as I'm reading it, I feel it belongs more on 28 October 2011 rather than here. I'll further point out that your revision isn't -bad-, per se. Just that it probably needs work to make it more relevant to A-Logging, since you believe the subject matter is indeed relevant. Again, this is only my opinion, and what the bleep do I know? --[[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 00:41, 9 July 2012 (PDT)

I have a feeling you are probably right about putting it under the October 28th incident. But there is more leniency regarding this page than the October 28th page regarding speculative articles and I am not sure if this would cross the line or not. Perhaps a moderator could help us here. -unsigned comment by [[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]]
* I believe the leniency here is because technically, this article isn't on the CWCki. It's more or less a collaborative rough draft until Champ thinks it's ready to go up. There's also the fact that the topic of A-Logging in general is going to be a bit subjective and speculative because, short of somehow finding actual A-Logs (or at least reformed ones,) most of what we can put is why we think Anthony LoGatto and those of his ilk do what they do. The only relevant facts we can put are about A-Log himself, and the fact that A-Logging happens. 28 October 2011, on the other hand, is all about a specific incident that is both ongoing and (in my opinion) much more significant than the A-Logging phenomenon. Still, someone more veteran than I am would be in a better position to make a call. I'm just guessing here. --[[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 22:55, 9 July 2012 (PDT)
:*Like I said, the problem with this article is that it's mostly speculative and opinion and doesn't fit in compared with other articles, that's the main issue. It's easy to find examples of A-Logging - I could probably go on /cwc/ or browse right here on the CWCki and find someone saying something A-Logesque. I think we have an issue that we have people here on the CWCki who are A-Logs and don't realize it that they might object to some things in this article.
::Anyways, I'm tempted to put it in the main namespace, but I want it to be solid, namely that it can demonstrate that this is a phenomena that actually occurs and has relevance to Chris trolling, though in this case it doesn't directly impact him. I think some people think this is an article about A-Log but I don't give a shit about him, I'm more concerned about the attitude towards Chris that's associated with him and not so much the guy himself. The wording has become too weak in this article, "Chris is incredibly gullible" lacks the bite of "Chris is a retard." I can see that people might object to calling Chris a retard, especially since we don't have this elsewhere, but he's practically a retard on a social level. He might not be a technical retard but he's a practical one, he's what colloquially would be called a retard. The wording establishes that he's an idiot who isn't entirely cognizant of his actions, establishing that it's stupid to judge him by some high standard and treat him as if he's some maniacal madman who carefully plans out how they'll hurt people. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:27, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

:This article is extremely [[Chris and Hypocrisy|hypocritical]], since it defends Chris on many of his flaws, yet everywhere else, the CWCki mocks him for these. This article should either be deleted, rephrased, have a talk page, or at least have an "IM WORKING ON IT!" template. The talk page would be very nice indeed --[[User:TRUEandHONESTuser|TRUEandHONESTuser]] 18:10, 17 July 2012 (PDT)
::1) You do realize that this ''is'' a talk page? Everyone's still hammering out a lot of stuff here. 2) Yes, it's defending Chris, but it's defending Chris from A-Loggers who think that Chris should suffer immensely for his actions, not outright defending him for his actions. Yes, Chris can be deplorable and it might be unfair that Chris gets away with a lot of stuff, but in the end, we're all trying to prevent future A-Loggers/Chris-Chans from rising up and becoming targets themselves. It's not worth it.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 15:22, 18 July 2012 (PDT)
:*I don't think this page is hypocritical. Ideally, we shouldn't be outright bashing Chris like A-Log does. I don't think the problem with the page but with the attitude of the CWCki as a whole. People often accuse the CWCki for A-Logging, and I think they might be right. Chris really isn't a bad person. I think we try to be fair, if he does something that warrant criticism we criticize him for it, but I think some of the times we're too over the top, usually for rhetorical purposes and I think people who don't have autism should be able to recognize this. But I think we need to have this article so we can say "Don't be an A-Log." It's one thing to point out Chris's faults, it's another thing to act like Chris is a subhuman sociopath who's worse than Hitler and deserves to die. Seriously, Chris is an idiot, he's really not a bad person. If you want to see harm befall Chris or you think he's truly responsible for all his actions, get some goddamn help.
::This page frustrates me though. I think part of the problem is that a lot of you are in fact A-Logs who don't recognize the fact Chris is an idiot. The other problem is that people think this is an article about A-Log when it's more about the behavior that's become associated with him. I wish there was a term that didn't involve his name so we don't have this problem but I can't think of anything better, plus nobody would have any idea what I'm talking about.
::I think we're good on the basic counter arguments, what we need are some real examples of A-Log type behavior from Chris related sites (CWCki, CWCki Forums, /cwc/, YouTube, DeviantArt, etc.). --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:27, 30 July 2012 (PDT)
:::I must say, I heartily approve of the examples section. We definitely need more of these. I'll troll around and see what I can find. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 04:35, 5 August 2012 (PDT)

==Citations==
Should we get citations for the examples? I know that there aren't any available for some, but I assume that if we were able to get these quotes recently, the videos they came from must still be around and we can get screencaps for at least a few. I ask, because that quote that claims to be from the CWCki I couldn't seem to find the specific user responsible for. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 10:12, 11 September 2012 (PDT)
*Ditto, perhaps screencap an example for posterity, so people can know we're not making this shit up.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:47, 15 September 2012 (PDT)

== French version ==

Is anyone against me porting over my [[User:Aschlafly/A-Logging-fr|french version]] to mainspace?[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:50, 20 December 2012 (PST)

* For me, no. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 02:10, 21 December 2012 (PST)

== The /cwc/ quotation. ==

Nitpicking here, but I don't think the /cwc/ quote down there is a very good or direct example of A-Logging. The quote doesn't fit any of the typical traits of A-Loggers (wishing death/suffering, claiming Chris is a 'criminal' like some sort of Radovan Karadzic spinoff etc.) and just really sticks out like a sore thumb. The poster isn't trollshielding or anything, he's simply saying 'Sucks to have autism and people think you're like him'.

This doesn't really fall in line with the other quotes that swear death and suffering on Chris or just ramble like children about how he sucks. It's kind of jarring and makes me think the quoter jumped the gun a little on labelling it A-Logging.

I cast my vote for that quote being excised for clarity on what A-Logging is, since that quote sways it in slight favor of A-Logging being '''any''' criticism of Chris's autism and/or it tarring the perception of other people with autism. Not even out of defense for the poster, but just for 'narrative' clarity. --[[User:DX10|DX10]] ([[User talk:DX10|talk]]) 09:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

:I concur. I'm tempted to remove it this instant, but I want to see first if anyone objects to this move. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 16:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

* Agreed. Removed it. I actually added it in the first place in an attempt to get examples from different sources. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== To be honest ==

Comparing chris chan to adolf hitler is like comparing a feather to an atom bomb.--[[User:Zimkiller1|Zimkiller1]] ([[User talk:Zimkiller1|talk]]) 18:50, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

While I agree with that, I gotta point out that that's because Chris does not have any political power, like he does in the Sonichu comics. If he had as much political authority in real life as he does in CWCVille, then he could potentially cause lots of people to die. ~ Steampunk Mage

== Woooooow ==

I can't believe I was such a scrub back then. XD Well, at least now I'm part of the majority that actually laughs at Chris' antics. Seriously though, I really said that shit? I'd wanna troll me too. --[[User:GamerXZ0|GamerXZ0]] ([[User talk:GamerXZ0|talk]]) 05:54, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

== The section "Arguments against A-Logs" is naive ==

I'm all for having a section like this explaining some easy logic holes to fall in when thinking about Christine but the way the author chose to do it is ridiculous. I would remove several entire paragraphs of non-sense but since this is a collaborative effort I'll just explain why and if consensus is reached we can remove the appropriate parts. Some examples:

<blockquote>Chris's decision to visit a local GameStop despite being banned [...] was caused by Chris's assumption that he would be allowed in because he was in disguise, and because he had decided that his ban didn't apply because he was there to buy</blockquote>

Oh it's OK, then? He just decided the objective ban didn't apply due to his subjective opinions?

<blockquote>given the existence of this wiki [...] it would more likely than not take someone working in human services [...] extremely good connections to [...] give Chris a realistic chance at successfully getting and keeping a job</blockquote>

In all those years of feeding the trolls despite being advised not to; of not creating a decent professional resumé despite having a college degree; and becoming an unemployable travestite; the fault ends up on CWCwiki for Christine not being able to ever get a job despite being high-functioning enough to be a productive adult? It's the trolls fault now that he is a 30-some year old who acts like a ten-year old travestite child?!

<blockquote>Chris has also used the racial slur of "nigger" [...] though he shows some degree of reservation. [...] In this video, Chris's racism is often found humorous as Tito is Hawaiian, not black.</blockquote>

I get it... it's OK to be a bigot if it's funny?

So you see what I mean. I can totally see that the page should be written from a [[white knight]]'s perspective to contrast with the a-log aspect but fuck me if this hasn't gone way beyond reason and become a page to excuse him from all and any blame and responsibility. Please, let's not forget that the entire rest of the wiki seems to agree he is a poor excuse for a human being. Yes, his autism surely excuses some of his faults but let's not forget even people who suffer more from autism than him don't go around macing innocent people, vandlizing stores, drawing sex scenes with friends or becoming the #1 lolcow in history.

So if you agree leave a note here and we can clean up the page once we have enough support, unless anyone can offer a better alternative [[User:Kek|Kek]] ([[User talk:Kek|talk]]) 00:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

PS: [[Weening]] is the perfect example of what this page should be - it explains ruthlessly everything that is wrong with weeners but it's founded on solid logic and doesn't try to make up for Christine's shortcomings, rather focusing on why weening sucks instead.

Couldn't Arjen be considered an A-logger? I mean, his hatred for CWC ruined the fun of the Miscreants in Mumble 9 because he was all "I HATE U FAGGUT KILLZ URSELF DUMMY!!!!!!" I mean, if that isn't A-logging, then what is? --[[User:Newwaveknight|Newwaveknight]] ([[User talk:Newwaveknight|talk]]) 21:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

== About Chris not being able to get a job ==

Though I agree with the argument that Chris cannot get a job, I gotta mention that a lot of the reasons for that is because he dug his own grave. Thus it would be more accurate to say that he "can no longer get a job," since in the past he could have gotten one after being fired from Wendy's, but just didn't due to laziness and believing Bobby's claim of Social Security paying more than jobs. [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 20:46, 24 August 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Cole Smithey

2017-08-24T20:41:09Z

Steampunk Mage:

Talk:Un-clit

2017-08-10T00:41:31Z

Steampunk Mage:

I'm not sure if this merits an entire article of its own. Wouldn't it be better simply to have a mention of it in [[Relics of Fail]]? Anyway regardless of whether or not it merits an article of its own it definitely merits a mention in the relics article. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 05:13, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

* For now I think this should be in the Relics of Fail article, but let's wait and see considering Chris's Facebook activity. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 11:09, 20 September 2014 (UTC)
** I put it as a major relic. I decided to do so because it's both something that is actually attached to Chris's body and is considered by him tp be an important expression of his identity. If anyone disagrees let me know. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 21:51, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

== Grammar fix ==

Cleaned up some grammar and expanded some basic detail. I think we should separate the strap on thing into the minor relics section. The horror with this article is more then enough without bringing the duck into it.

Please take some time and look up Comma Splice because you guys will kill me with it.

[[User:Sweet and Savoury|Sweet and Savoury]] ([[User talk:Sweet and Savoury|talk]]) 11:33, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

==Minor reorganization & grammar fixes==

Reorganized chronology for the sake of clarity. Fixed tenses and some phrasing. Didn't delete anything. -asperhes, 1/14/15

== Baffling ==

What I don't get is how Chris is still alive to this day; given his cut wound and his god-awful hygiene, you'd think he would have died from sepsis by now... [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 00:41, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Talk:Catherine

2017-08-10T00:13:10Z

Steampunk Mage:

I am going for increased readability.

--[[User:IoulianosApostate|IoulianosApostate]] ([[User talk:IoulianosApostate|talk]]) 05:00, 7 October 2014 (UTC)IoulianosApostate

If Catherine truly is the name of the [[2014 Anonymous Sweetheart]], I personally think this article needs to be merged with [[2014 Anonymous Sweetheart]]. Have that article's name re-named to "Catherine", put both of the photos on the page, have a link to "[[I Love You, Catherine]]"...I'd love to see this article merged. [[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 20:02, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

We're not 100% that they are though; it's just the best assumption at the moment. So, I think it should remain split until we know for certain, then, yes, they can be merged. Until then, they could still be two entirely different people. Who knows with Chris sometimes.--[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 21:22, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

True. --[[User:FromtheWordsofBR|FromtheWordsofBR]] ([[User talk:FromtheWordsofBR|talk]]) 21:52, 9 October 2014 (UTC)

== Screaming girl in closet? ==

Oh, come on, did you just straight up make that up? Cite some parts in the video that show that. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 20:55, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

In my mind, it's an obvious attempt at humor, but, you can discount it yourself. Not like you transcribers and what not haven't sat through less interesting Chris-related things before. Merely rewatch the entire video at max volume or with headphones. It's just a bad attempt at a joke, no doubt, but you can straight up disprove it yourself, in like 5 minutes. --[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 21:51, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Fair enough; have nothing better to do with my afternoon. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 21:53, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

Well, listened to it a few times; didn't hear much of anything besides the usual nasally-backdrop. But I'm not the best transcriber, so I'll leave it up to fellow Christorians. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 22:06, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

== mailbags ==

There's a lot of content to be dropped. It could be best to mailbag a lot of the emails and summarize and cite them on the page. - [[User:WilhelmIIofPrussia|WilhelmIIofPrussia]] ([[User talk:WilhelmIIofPrussia|talk]]) 10:17, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

I'm working on it. Also, please sign your posts with 4 tildes (~) at the end. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 09:47, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

== Mass murder thing ==

I think we should drop the Elliot Rdger schtick. I think we all agree Chrissy isn't going to go off on a killing spree plus it strikes me as poor taste. We all know Chrissy provides poor taste in spades.

Just my 2 cents.

[[User:Sweet and Savoury|Sweet and Savoury]] ([[User talk:Sweet and Savoury|talk]]) 10:45, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

== Catherine the "Troll" ==

I see that Catherine is called a troll quite a few times, but due to her reasons for being Chris's galpal, I think she qualifies more as a white knight. [[User:Steampunk Mage|Steampunk Mage]] ([[User talk:Steampunk Mage|talk]]) 00:12, 10 August 2017 (UTC)

Talk:A-Logs

2017-08-03T00:58:16Z

Steampunk Mage: /* To be honest */

Talk:A-Logs

2017-08-03T00:57:35Z

Steampunk Mage: /* To be honest */

It's a start, but it could be a lot better. I'm only vaguely familiar with A-Log myself, so I'm not sure how much I could do to fix the article. While I don't want this to turn into an Encylopedia Dramatica article about A-Log himself, we need more direct comparisons to him and his actions to fully illustrate why this is discouraged.

If I might make a suggestion Champ, (and this is the only time I will ever say this), I think that this is something we'd need the /cwc/fags' help with. They're the ones who discovered A-Log, know everything about him, wrote his actual ED page, and let's be honest here; When you say the "broader CWC community", that's mostly referring to /cwc/. Why not go over there and put up an invite for them to help us define Alogging and educate the newfags? At the very least we might get some decent quotes from the anons explaining it a bit.

Just a suggestion. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 07:03, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

A couple of points...

:1) "Chris's discomfort for black people [...] is arguably more from failing to understand social norms in that you don't announce to the world you're discomforted by African American rather than of the ideology of white supremacy that your average KKK member would have"

:While I'm no Alogger or anything I think that his attitude toward blacks (and Jews) goes beyond merely not wanting to have sex with their women. Just at look at the way [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|he uses the n-word]]. Also let's not forget [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean]]. Also according to Mimms and Lucas Chris was always worrying that the black kids at the game place would try to steal his stuff, defintely a racist.

:His hatred toward homosexuals most definitely goes beyond regular homophobia. The casual American homophobe does not [[Mailbag 49#Chris loves his country|supports the repeal of DADT so more homos can die]] nor does he wish to [[CWC Address to Unilever About AXE|prevent them from buying certain brands of body spray]]. A typical homophobes does not wish to have homosexuals locked up and forced into reparative therapy either (I'm too lazy to dig up the chat where he advocates that but it's somewhere here on the wiki).

:Now granted, these are not good reasons for inflicting boddily harm upon Chris. He's too much of a pussy to commit hate crimes, too much of a lazy ass to go and harass people Westboro Baptist style and lacks any political clout to make his hare braind ideas a reality, but I still think that you're understimating his bigotry.

:2) Another argument that I can see aloggers using to justify their attitude toawrd Chris is his lawbreaking. I think that the best counterarguments would be: A) Chris's offenses are relatively minor and most aloggers would not wish physical harm upon a person other than Chris who has the same rapsheet. B) While Chris needs to be punished for his crimes, we already have the legal system for it and it's doing [[28 October 2011#Chris's|a bang up job]]. C) By advocating intentional infliction of bodily harm upon Chris, aloggers are being worse than him by supporting crimes far worse (both from a moral and legal standpoint) than anything he's ever done.

[[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 12:09, 11 May 2012 (PDT)

::Another nitpick: "White knights '''believe that Chris is capable of no wrong''' and try to help him [emphasis added]". I somewhat doubt that all white knights really think that Chris is completely blameless, and anyway that's not their defining characteristic. A person who thinks that Chris is much to blame for his current predicament yet also tries to stop the trolls and help Chris better himself is not a white knight? -- [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 16:43, 12 May 2012 (PDT)

*These are good points, NegaCWC and I think the fellow who added a bunch to the page addressed some of these concerns. It's a delicate issue, I want this page done right if it's going to be in the main namespace, so do you (or anyone else for that matter) think it's good to go now?--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:37, 30 May 2012 (PDT)
* If the fellow you're referring to is me, then yes, addressing some of those points was part of the intent of my last edit. As for whether the page is ready to go or not, I'm leaning towards "not just yet". Looking at it, there isn't really much in the way of hard information there, and a lot of it is within the confines of opinions and speculation (the arguments for and against). It feels to me a little more like something you'd see on a forum and not an article that could be referenced. I think a little bit more exposition on A-log himself, at least as far as his involvement in the ongoing saga that is Chris, and how the practice of "A-logging" came into being and came to be known as such, would probably make it feel more like an article. A little bit more fact and reference to balance out the opinion and speculation, so to speak. Course, that's just my opinion, and I'm just a noob. -- [[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 03:56, 1 June 2012 (PDT)
:*Like I said on the community portal, this is a tricky article because it doesn't exactly pertain to Chris directly in the same way [[white knighting]] does, or at least we don't have tangible documentation or anything like that of Chris responding to A-Logging. I really don't want to focus the article on A-Log, because 1) this is the CWCki and [[CWCki:CWCki_is#CWCki_is_about_Chris|the CWCki is about Chris]] and not so much ancillary characters like A-Log, especially given that Chris hasn't responded to anything he's done and 2) I'm more concerned about the mindset that was popularized by A-Log rather than the guy himself.
::I agree that in general, we should try to have articles based on facts and references rather than just our opinions and speculation. But I think this article might need to be an exception to the rule. The white knighting article started out as mostly dealing with the meta-topic of "Can Chris be helped?/I think I should try to help Chris" is probably one of the stages Chris trolls go through and it comes up time and again on Chris related sites. The problem with the White knighting article is that one can read it and end up thinking "Gee, Chris doesn't want help and he's not as innocent as he seems, that means he's an awful awful person and he should be punished." I think it should be pretty clear that Chris is not a spawn of Satan like A-Loggers would like to argue, it's common sense really. Maybe talking about A-Logging and what he did, merely to establish the type of behavior associated with A-Logging, would help make this more factual, with examples of A-Logging on various Chris related sites might flush it out and make it seem like an actual phenomena and less than speculation.
::Ideally I want this article to serve a few goals - 1) bring up this topic, because as I said, it comes up time and again and I think it's a significant meta-topic that warrants discussion, and 2) help CWCki readers and editors not be an A-Log. People have said it and they probably have a point that people often read the CWCki and think Chris is an awful, awful person mostly because we have a tendency to exaggerate for dramatic and rhetorical purposes. This article, coupled with a "Don't be an A-Log" rule in regards to article tone, related to [[CWCki:NPOV|NPOV]], would help the CWCki tremendously.
::At least, that's just my opinion. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:01, 2 June 2012 (PDT)
:*It'd be good if we could get a screencap of A-Logging from YouTube (there was some good quotes on a recent /cwc/ thread along these lines), perhaps a screencap from /cwc/ of someone A-Logging and someone replying with "HI A-LOG." -unsigned comment by [[User:Champthom|Champthom]]
*** Y'know, we DO have a good "HI A-LOG"-type message here - someone in the [[Chris and Money]] talk page was talking about Chris's SSI and trying to get rid of it.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 06:49, 1 June 2012 (PDT)

I went in and did a major revision to this page. This was originally on my user page so I took it out and put it on this page because i think the subject matter is relevant to this particular topic on people who may think of "A-Logging" over the Michael Snyder incident.
Kengel1021
* I'm not 100% certain that the revision in question, at least as it is currently worded and formatted, is wholly right for the article. Despite the potential relevance, it doesn't touch upon A-Logging at all, and talks solely about the incident on [[28 October 2011|28 October]]. Moreover, the points you raise are mostly in defense of Chris and his actions on that day. I can see the relevance to A-Logging, in the sense that one shouldn't A-Log Chris over this particular incident, but the reference is tangential at best. I would suggest editing your revision further to make it tie more directly to A-Logging, because as I'm reading it, I feel it belongs more on 28 October 2011 rather than here. I'll further point out that your revision isn't -bad-, per se. Just that it probably needs work to make it more relevant to A-Logging, since you believe the subject matter is indeed relevant. Again, this is only my opinion, and what the bleep do I know? --[[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 00:41, 9 July 2012 (PDT)

I have a feeling you are probably right about putting it under the October 28th incident. But there is more leniency regarding this page than the October 28th page regarding speculative articles and I am not sure if this would cross the line or not. Perhaps a moderator could help us here. -unsigned comment by [[User:Kengel1021|Kengel1021]]
* I believe the leniency here is because technically, this article isn't on the CWCki. It's more or less a collaborative rough draft until Champ thinks it's ready to go up. There's also the fact that the topic of A-Logging in general is going to be a bit subjective and speculative because, short of somehow finding actual A-Logs (or at least reformed ones,) most of what we can put is why we think Anthony LoGatto and those of his ilk do what they do. The only relevant facts we can put are about A-Log himself, and the fact that A-Logging happens. 28 October 2011, on the other hand, is all about a specific incident that is both ongoing and (in my opinion) much more significant than the A-Logging phenomenon. Still, someone more veteran than I am would be in a better position to make a call. I'm just guessing here. --[[User:Perpetual Lurker|Perpetual Lurker]] 22:55, 9 July 2012 (PDT)
:*Like I said, the problem with this article is that it's mostly speculative and opinion and doesn't fit in compared with other articles, that's the main issue. It's easy to find examples of A-Logging - I could probably go on /cwc/ or browse right here on the CWCki and find someone saying something A-Logesque. I think we have an issue that we have people here on the CWCki who are A-Logs and don't realize it that they might object to some things in this article.
::Anyways, I'm tempted to put it in the main namespace, but I want it to be solid, namely that it can demonstrate that this is a phenomena that actually occurs and has relevance to Chris trolling, though in this case it doesn't directly impact him. I think some people think this is an article about A-Log but I don't give a shit about him, I'm more concerned about the attitude towards Chris that's associated with him and not so much the guy himself. The wording has become too weak in this article, "Chris is incredibly gullible" lacks the bite of "Chris is a retard." I can see that people might object to calling Chris a retard, especially since we don't have this elsewhere, but he's practically a retard on a social level. He might not be a technical retard but he's a practical one, he's what colloquially would be called a retard. The wording establishes that he's an idiot who isn't entirely cognizant of his actions, establishing that it's stupid to judge him by some high standard and treat him as if he's some maniacal madman who carefully plans out how they'll hurt people. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:27, 10 July 2012 (PDT)

:This article is extremely [[Chris and Hypocrisy|hypocritical]], since it defends Chris on many of his flaws, yet everywhere else, the CWCki mocks him for these. This article should either be deleted, rephrased, have a talk page, or at least have an "IM WORKING ON IT!" template. The talk page would be very nice indeed --[[User:TRUEandHONESTuser|TRUEandHONESTuser]] 18:10, 17 July 2012 (PDT)
::1) You do realize that this ''is'' a talk page? Everyone's still hammering out a lot of stuff here. 2) Yes, it's defending Chris, but it's defending Chris from A-Loggers who think that Chris should suffer immensely for his actions, not outright defending him for his actions. Yes, Chris can be deplorable and it might be unfair that Chris gets away with a lot of stuff, but in the end, we're all trying to prevent future A-Loggers/Chris-Chans from rising up and becoming targets themselves. It's not worth it.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 15:22, 18 July 2012 (PDT)
:*I don't think this page is hypocritical. Ideally, we shouldn't be outright bashing Chris like A-Log does. I don't think the problem with the page but with the attitude of the CWCki as a whole. People often accuse the CWCki for A-Logging, and I think they might be right. Chris really isn't a bad person. I think we try to be fair, if he does something that warrant criticism we criticize him for it, but I think some of the times we're too over the top, usually for rhetorical purposes and I think people who don't have autism should be able to recognize this. But I think we need to have this article so we can say "Don't be an A-Log." It's one thing to point out Chris's faults, it's another thing to act like Chris is a subhuman sociopath who's worse than Hitler and deserves to die. Seriously, Chris is an idiot, he's really not a bad person. If you want to see harm befall Chris or you think he's truly responsible for all his actions, get some goddamn help.
::This page frustrates me though. I think part of the problem is that a lot of you are in fact A-Logs who don't recognize the fact Chris is an idiot. The other problem is that people think this is an article about A-Log when it's more about the behavior that's become associated with him. I wish there was a term that didn't involve his name so we don't have this problem but I can't think of anything better, plus nobody would have any idea what I'm talking about.
::I think we're good on the basic counter arguments, what we need are some real examples of A-Log type behavior from Chris related sites (CWCki, CWCki Forums, /cwc/, YouTube, DeviantArt, etc.). --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:27, 30 July 2012 (PDT)
:::I must say, I heartily approve of the examples section. We definitely need more of these. I'll troll around and see what I can find. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 04:35, 5 August 2012 (PDT)

==Citations==
Should we get citations for the examples? I know that there aren't any available for some, but I assume that if we were able to get these quotes recently, the videos they came from must still be around and we can get screencaps for at least a few. I ask, because that quote that claims to be from the CWCki I couldn't seem to find the specific user responsible for. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 10:12, 11 September 2012 (PDT)
*Ditto, perhaps screencap an example for posterity, so people can know we're not making this shit up.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:47, 15 September 2012 (PDT)

== French version ==

Is anyone against me porting over my [[User:Aschlafly/A-Logging-fr|french version]] to mainspace?[[User:Aschlafly|Aschlafly]] 12:50, 20 December 2012 (PST)

* For me, no. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 02:10, 21 December 2012 (PST)

== The /cwc/ quotation. ==

Nitpicking here, but I don't think the /cwc/ quote down there is a very good or direct example of A-Logging. The quote doesn't fit any of the typical traits of A-Loggers (wishing death/suffering, claiming Chris is a 'criminal' like some sort of Radovan Karadzic spinoff etc.) and just really sticks out like a sore thumb. The poster isn't trollshielding or anything, he's simply saying 'Sucks to have autism and people think you're like him'.

This doesn't really fall in line with the other quotes that swear death and suffering on Chris or just ramble like children about how he sucks. It's kind of jarring and makes me think the quoter jumped the gun a little on labelling it A-Logging.

I cast my vote for that quote being excised for clarity on what A-Logging is, since that quote sways it in slight favor of A-Logging being '''any''' criticism of Chris's autism and/or it tarring the perception of other people with autism. Not even out of defense for the poster, but just for 'narrative' clarity. --[[User:DX10|DX10]] ([[User talk:DX10|talk]]) 09:54, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

:I concur. I'm tempted to remove it this instant, but I want to see first if anyone objects to this move. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 16:02, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

* Agreed. Removed it. I actually added it in the first place in an attempt to get examples from different sources. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 10:26, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

== To be honest ==

Comparing chris chan to adolf hitler is like comparing a feather to an atom bomb.--[[User:Zimkiller1|Zimkiller1]] ([[User talk:Zimkiller1|talk]]) 18:50, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

While I agree with that, I gotta point out that that's because Chris does not have any political power, like he does in the Sonichu comics. If he had as much political authority in real life as he does in CWCVille, then he could potentially cause lots of people to die.

== Woooooow ==

I can't believe I was such a scrub back then. XD Well, at least now I'm part of the majority that actually laughs at Chris' antics. Seriously though, I really said that shit? I'd wanna troll me too. --[[User:GamerXZ0|GamerXZ0]] ([[User talk:GamerXZ0|talk]]) 05:54, 21 October 2015 (UTC)

== The section "Arguments against A-Logs" is naive ==

I'm all for having a section like this explaining some easy logic holes to fall in when thinking about Christine but the way the author chose to do it is ridiculous. I would remove several entire paragraphs of non-sense but since this is a collaborative effort I'll just explain why and if consensus is reached we can remove the appropriate parts. Some examples:

<blockquote>Chris's decision to visit a local GameStop despite being banned [...] was caused by Chris's assumption that he would be allowed in because he was in disguise, and because he had decided that his ban didn't apply because he was there to buy</blockquote>

Oh it's OK, then? He just decided the objective ban didn't apply due to his subjective opinions?

<blockquote>given the existence of this wiki [...] it would more likely than not take someone working in human services [...] extremely good connections to [...] give Chris a realistic chance at successfully getting and keeping a job</blockquote>

In all those years of feeding the trolls despite being advised not to; of not creating a decent professional resumé despite having a college degree; and becoming an unemployable travestite; the fault ends up on CWCwiki for Christine not being able to ever get a job despite being high-functioning enough to be a productive adult? It's the trolls fault now that he is a 30-some year old who acts like a ten-year old travestite child?!

<blockquote>Chris has also used the racial slur of "nigger" [...] though he shows some degree of reservation. [...] In this video, Chris's racism is often found humorous as Tito is Hawaiian, not black.</blockquote>

I get it... it's OK to be a bigot if it's funny?

So you see what I mean. I can totally see that the page should be written from a [[white knight]]'s perspective to contrast with the a-log aspect but fuck me if this hasn't gone way beyond reason and become a page to excuse him from all and any blame and responsibility. Please, let's not forget that the entire rest of the wiki seems to agree he is a poor excuse for a human being. Yes, his autism surely excuses some of his faults but let's not forget even people who suffer more from autism than him don't go around macing innocent people, vandlizing stores, drawing sex scenes with friends or becoming the #1 lolcow in history.

So if you agree leave a note here and we can clean up the page once we have enough support, unless anyone can offer a better alternative [[User:Kek|Kek]] ([[User talk:Kek|talk]]) 00:22, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

PS: [[Weening]] is the perfect example of what this page should be - it explains ruthlessly everything that is wrong with weeners but it's founded on solid logic and doesn't try to make up for Christine's shortcomings, rather focusing on why weening sucks instead.

Couldn't Arjen be considered an A-logger? I mean, his hatred for CWC ruined the fun of the Miscreants in Mumble 9 because he was all "I HATE U FAGGUT KILLZ URSELF DUMMY!!!!!!" I mean, if that isn't A-logging, then what is? --[[User:Newwaveknight|Newwaveknight]] ([[User talk:Newwaveknight|talk]]) 21:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Weens

2017-08-03T00:51:19Z

Steampunk Mage: /* Evan and the Abandonment of CWCVille */

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== Another [[Liquid Chris]] ==

I've been trying to find a link to put in the "it's already been done" section in here. It was a link for a channel that was basically some sadsack's attempt to become the next [[Liquid Chris]]. Needless to say, it backfired spectacularly. I can't find a link to it, for some reason.

== Trollfiction/art ==

I personally don't think that making trollfiction and troll art of Chris and sonichu would constitute as weening unless it was made specifically to show to him.

Should we make this change? [[User:Ell96|Xalver nick]] ([[User talk:Ell96|talk]]) 12:53, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

: The article doesn't say that ''all'' fanfic and fanart related to Chris/Sonichu counts as weenery, just the "edgy" stuff intended to either point out all the little problems with the Sonichu comics, or just be as shocking and disturbing as possible. It's perfectly possible to only make that stuff for the enjoyment of other trolls, and yet still come across as a tryhard ween. --[[User:HarryHowler|HarryHowler]] ([[User talk:HarryHowler|talk]]) 13:59, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

== Glorious ==

Just want to say that whoever wrote this page is insightful, intelligent and a good writer to boot. [[User:Baxter|Baxter]] ([[User talk:Baxter|talk]]) 23:31, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

== Evan and the Abandonment of CWCVille ==

For those of you who've read the "Simonla as the Lynchpin" section in the "Simonla Rosechu" article, I'd like to add my thoughts on that: After doing some thinking, I think Evan's demands to have Simonla killed off should be added to the "Weenery discourages Chris from producing content" section of the "Weening" article, since the demands made Chris abandon CWCVille for a few years; thus it could be a good similarity to that weening thing. ~ Steampunk Mage
* Don't forget to sign with tildes (~)! And yeah, I agree wholeheartedly with that idea. [[User:Nate-Kar Sonichu|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Nate-Kar Sonichu|talk]]) 23:10, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

White knight

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Steampunk Mage: /* Chris lacks empathy himself */ Lulzy piping

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{{quote|Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?|[[If You Were a Woman and I Was a Man|Bonnie Tyler]], "[[Holding Out for a Hero]]"}}

'''White knight''' is a term used to describe someone who goes on [[the Internet]] to help or defend someone else against other people, out of [[CWC is Sad|pity or compassion]], or for [[China|ulterior motives]]. White knighting of [[Chris]] is especially prevalent because of the sheer volume of abuse he's taken ever since he found his [[Encyclopedia Dramatica ]] page, which in turn is caused by Chris's total unwillingness to heed any of his many white knights.

'''Counter-trolls''' are those who take Chris's side to spite his [[trolls]]. Some do this because trolling one gullible idiot is less satisfying than trolling trolls, who actually have the ability to understand what is going on. Others have decided that Chris has jumped the shark and are trying to make everyone else leave him alone to put a stop to an old meme. Counter-trolls are not to be confused with [[anti-troll]]s, who fight trolls in order to get closer to Chris and troll him themselves.

In the broader internet trolling community, a wide range of people, from neutral observers to even his greatest trolls, are accused of being white knights. This is mostly due to Chris's "fans" discouraging [[Weening]] and [[A-Logging]], acts which, to outside observers, could be misinterpreted as an attempt to reduce trolling. Many of these outside observers are also confused by the tendency of Chris's trolls, including his most [[Vivian Gee|prolific]] [[Clyde Cash|ones]], trying to get him to improve his life, as they don't know Chris well enough to know it's nigh impossible to get him to improve using the "soft touch". So when the label "white knight" gets thrown around, take it with a grain of salt.

A meta-topic within the broader Chris saga has been the merits of attempting to help Chris stop being a lolcow, and whether he is deserving of such assistance, or even beyond help. Once upon a time, the consensus on forums such as the talk page for Chris's ED article, [[/cwc/]], [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens (message board)|PVCC]], and [[Sonichu (IRC chat)|#sonichu]] was that Chris's [[racism]], [[Homos|homophobia]], and [[Chris and his Ego|narcissism]] made him beneath contempt; and that he has consistently refused to take advice given to him in good faith.

Today, however, Chris's racism and homophobia are slowly ebbing away along with his parents' influence over him, and A-Logging is no longer as fashionable as it once was. Accordingly, nowadays, opinion on the matter is somewhat divided on whether Chris is capable of improvement, although most agree that if Chris is going to improve, it will not be in any large part due to the efforts of third parties because, in the main, he is still too proud and stubborn to accept advice.

Some believe that Chris is improving on his own, albeit slowly and in small increments, as seen in his gradual abandonment of his homophobia, which began with him declaring tolerance for lesbians, which he eventually extended to gay men. Others believe that Chris has not tangibly improved, that he has merely moved sideways, rather than forward. Many of these believe that Chris cannot improve, for example, his [[tugboat]], his public misadventures and the thorough documentation of his sordid dealings online make employment all but an impossibility for Chris. Many more quibble over what can be defined as Chris "improving". Some have proposed that Chris improving need not necessarily mean becoming a functioning adult, which at this stage would be an uphill battle for Chris anyway. Rather, they claim that Chris is improving in that he is happier than he once was. He has found [[Impulse Gay Social Club|a new hangout]] where he stands to improve his social skills and make friends. Moreover, he has finally found a way to cash in on his e-fame, delighted his fanbase by resuming the comics ''and'' made his dreams of a Sonichu media empire a reality, albeit probably on a much smaller scale than he once envisaged.

In any case, the consensus on white knights and counter-trolls has remained somewhat consistent; they are and always have been seen as wasting everyone's time by trolls and Christorians alike, who accordingly have little patience for them.

==Motives==

===Pity===
Following the release of Chris's first [[nudes]] and the [[Chris Chan Update 21 October 2008|video]] in which he reacted to the loss of his [[medallion]]s and [[Blanca]], many people, including trolls, felt sorry for him. They had not expected it to be possible for him to be trolled so hard or for him to appear so shattered.

===Empathy===
The internet is full of [[autistic]] people, manchildren, and self-absorbed morons. Many of them are right here, fascinated with Chris. All of them see something of themselves in him, whether it's his [[obesity]], his all-consuming need for female companionship, or his fervent belief that his homemade comics matter. A lot of white knights have made at least some of the mistakes Chris has made and have since wised up. They think they can help improve Chris by offering the benefit of their experience.

===Circumstances beyond Chris's control===
Chris fails to identify people, a possible sign of [[Wikipedia:Prosopagnosia|prosopagnosia]]. [[BlueSpike|Julie and her brother Max]] used the same voice, and yet Chris couldn't recognize that they were the same person. Pictures of different women were used to depict Blanca, and yet Chris thought they were the same person. Chris believed that pictures of [[Wikipedia:Megan Fox|Megan Fox]] were of [[Vanessa Hudgens]].<ref>[[Vanessa AIM Chat 9|Vanessa AIM Chat IX]]</ref> In high school, Chris memorized his appearance in the mirror because he had trouble recognizing himself.<ref>[[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] - [http://thedailypos.org/misc/sonichu/Issue%207/SchuComic8Page24.jpg "...I had to train my brain to visually remember what I looked like..."]</ref> Since he's never "updated" his self-image, this is a possible explanation regarding why he denies being fat.

Chris' autism also means that he thinks, and sees the world, in simplistic, binary terms; he cannot easily "read between the lines" or detect sarcasm, or practically any kind of nuance or subtlety. He interprets ''[[Family Guy]]'' as being against homosexuality.<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate March 10th, 2009]]</ref> When 2 male acquaintances exchanged sarcastic homosexual remarks, Chris concluded that they were gay.<ref>Anecdote by [[Mimms]].</ref> It is also thought that his decision to go [[tomgirl]] was at least partially due to him taking advice to "get in touch with his feminine side" literally.

===The trolls are even worse people than Chris===
Another frequently heard line of reasoning is that the trolls have gone way too far, and have demonstrated that they're even worse than Chris, or at least equally pathetic. For example, BlueSpike's sadistic abuse of his control over Chris [[BLUESPIKE#Encyclopedia_Dramatica_Troll_War|outraged even trolls]]. The [[JULAAAY|less sophisticated]] bulk of the trolling was the work of A-Logs and weens, who are frowned upon even by trolls, and rightfully so. And, of course, who really has no life here: Chris, or the people who [[CWCki|obsessively document and debate everything he does]]?

===For the sake of [[Barbara]]'s sanity===
At this point in time it is safe to say that Chris's remaining parent has been just as fatigued as Chris by the actions of trolls. Some argue that Snorlax should not have to suffer for his wrongdoings, and therefore think that Chris should be left alone just so she can enjoy the last few years of her life in peace.

==Reasons against white knighting==
===Chris could have ended the trolling whenever he wanted to, but didn't===
All Chris had to do to end the trolling was to stop responding to it. If he had taken this small step, [[Jason Kendrick Howell]] would've made his ED page and that probably would've been the end of it. The first trolls had nothing personal against Chris; they just decided he was a worthy target after reading his [[Sonichu (comic)|crappy ''Sonichu'' comics]] and seeing him go into a meltdown over his ED page. If he'd quit responding to their provocations and quit posting [[12 October 2009|videos of himself throwing tantrums]] on [[YouTube]], the trolls would have eventually just moved on to someone else. Instead, Chris tried to "fight back" against them, in turn revealing more and more of his personal information, until eventually the trolls knew all of his contact info and all the details of his life.

That was when the trolling went past a point of no return, spilling into Chris' personal life so much that there would be absolutely no way for him to ever disassociate himself from it. Even when he was away from the computer, he would find himself subjected to trolls calling his cell phone, sending him mail, and following him around in public. While the obsessive trolling was nothing less than shitty, the fact still remains that Chris was the one who allowed them to have such control over his life; thanks to him always overreacting to every little provocation and handing over all his personal information to them.

There is also the theory that Chris does things for trolls to mock him merely for the attention.

===Chris lacks empathy himself===
:''See also: [[Chris and death]], [[Autism]] and [[Chris and his Ego]].''
Chris cannot put himself in your shoes or accept that you have been where he is. He has no "theory of mind": if you used to be as shy around women as he is today, in his mind the fact that you aren't shy anymore makes your experience inapplicable to his situation. To Chris, the fact you got over it and he hasn't yet makes the two cases entirely different. He doesn't want to solve his problems by trying what worked for you, he only wants you to pity him for having problems, until he magically dreams up [[Dating education|his own solution]]. In recent years, many have even began to opine that Chris doesn't even ''want'' help; as can be observed in his frequent outbursts on Facebook, what he really wants is to exploit his own misfortune to get pity, attention and gifts. It is also theorized that helping him is pointless because Chris is well-known for always wanting to have his [[Cakefarts|cake]] and eat it. Even if he woke up tomorrow morning and found that all of his dreams had come true, he'd still concoct new grievances.

:'''RocketFox:''' My father died of liver cancer and cirrohosis a day ago ;~; he drank a ton and it hurt him - I'm only 11 and I dunno what to do ;~;
:'''Chris:''' RocketFox, you will soon recover from your father's accident, I guess it is; DO NOT DRINK Alcohol yourself; STAY OFF THAT JUNK.<ref>[[IRC (16 October 2008)]]</ref>

Chris's interpretation of the death of RocketFox's dad as an accident shows that he didn't even bother to look up what cirrhosis is. Immediately after this, he started talking about a sexy dance. And 8 months later, he was filmed enjoying some [[Long Island Iced Tea]].

Chris's reactions to suicide are very telling. After hearing that he caused [[Ryan Cash]] to die, Chris marveled at the fact that he had incited suicide, right after he tried to publicly console [[Clyde Cash]].<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate December 28th, 2008]]</ref> When he heard that he made [[Sarah May]] attempt suicide, his reasons for her to stay alive were "I'd feel terrible" and "I'd just cry."<ref>[[Mumble 8|Mumble #8]]</ref><ref>[[CWC Shout Out to Sarah May]]</ref> When Chris broke up with [[Ivy]], he somehow concocted, in his head, an assumption that she had committed suicide. Even after having lost so many dear friends to suicide, he still had no problems telling Clyde and [[Jack Thaddeus]] to [[death threats|kill themselves]]. People who have had to deal with suicidal people, or have lost relatives or friends to suicide wouldn't exactly find this amusing.

In the [[Common_Questions#22_February_2010|22 February 2010]] edition of the [[CWCipedia]]'s "Common Questions", Chris listed the top ten worst things to have ever happened to him. The deaths of "two True and Good Women who [he] had friendships with," [[PandaHalo]] and [[Sarah Jackson]], ranked seventh. Those tragic events ranked below getting banned from [[The GAMe PLACe]], finding out two people from said store were posting info about him on ED, and having his personal websites hacked.

On 1 [[November 2009]], Chris went as far as to mock '''9/11''' (more on ''that'' video can be found in the "Chris is beyond pity section").

When Rashid Ali Abdul, an Iranian [[fan]], told him that her country's religious authorities sentenced her to death by beheading for reading ''Sonichu'', Chris simply said that he was "sorry" and that the situation was "pitiful".<ref>[[Mailbag 8|Mailbag #8]]</ref>

While some of this can be attributed to Chris's [[autism]], a condition that often results in a lack of empathy, most autistics can at least learn how to express empathy through a combination of carefully reading the emotions of others and thinking about how a situation affects other people, but Chris refuses to seek serious counseling or psychiatric help for this sort of thing, and was clearly given little-to-no help with his autism as he grew up.

===Autism does not excuse a terrible person===
Chris knows he has trouble understanding non-verbal social cues due to his autism,<ref>[[Quizzes#Autism Quiz]]</ref> and yet he still jumps the gun on interpreting other people's intentions all the time.

Autism, in and of itself, does not create a failure as massive as Chris. A majority of autistics manage to get psychiatric help for their problem and/or are able to develop social and emotional skills so they can cope with their disability and lead rewarding and rich lives. While Chris acknowledges he has a problem, he has never done anything more than see the [[Rocky Shoemaker|pastoral counselor]] at his church, who is not a professional trained in the treatment of autism spectrum disorders, and whom he eventually dismissed anyway.<ref>[[Vivian's AIM chat]]</ref>

After he [[26 December 2014|maced a GameStop employee and said it made him feel "badass"]], a deeply concerned troll going by the name Renee tried to convince him to go to see a psychiatrist. In response, Chris took this as a personal insult, and wished "Renee" and her boyfriend a slow demise in a house fire. Not only does this demonstrate that Chris holds his ego in higher esteem than his mental health, but it is also quite staggering that he would wish death in a fire upon someone [[Destruction Of Chris's House|''after he narrowly escaped the same fate'']]. Moreover, it is worth noting that Chris remembered that Renee had told him in the past that she already had a boyfriend. Compare his reaction to this well-meaning request from Renee, to his compliance with more bizarre requests from, say, Jackie. This shows that regardless of who you are or what you want to say, Chris only cares to listen to you if you have a [[china]] and aren't already taken.

Chris is fully capable of understanding the consequences of his actions. He has a sense of morality, even if he often ignores it in favor of his own interests. He has been held accountable for his own actions in a court of law, twice (and rightfully so). His racism and chauvinism have nothing to do with his autism.

===Chris is beyond pity===
[[Image:Chrischantwoface.jpg|thumb|right|Chris's mood is all over the place, even between videos posted shortly after each other. From "[[Happy Sonichu Day|Thank you for your support]]" to "[[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|Goddamn womanizing raping...trollin' stupid pickle-suited...'''nigger'''!]]"]]

Chris often reacts to provocation aggressively, which is quite an understandable (if not acceptable) response to trolling. However, "provocation" doesn't necessarily mean harassment or trolling. Merely disagreeing with Chris's opinions, asking him why he does what he does, or as evidenced above, trying to expose him to reality can provoke an attack, up to and including threats of violence and death. When Chris is annoyed, frustrated, or overcome by desire or lust, he's capable of doing [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha|''unpleasant'']] things. Moreover, when Chris loses it, he doesn't think of the consequences of his actions at all, and his expressions of outrage are completely out of proportion to the provocation — often more outrageous in themselves than whatever the trolls did. Chris believes that since he is reacting to being "wronged" by someone else, his actions, no matter how extreme they are, are justified.

Chris has [[Yu-Gi-Oh!|insulted young children]] during card games and scared some of them away from [[The GAMe PLACe]]. [[Mimms]] and [[Lucas]], who frequented the now-defunct store and knew Chris in real life years before he was discovered by ED, couldn't list any redeeming qualities he possessed.

Chris has sexually harassed [[Megan|two]] [[Catherine|women]] in real life. The former made it explicitly clear to him that his inappropriate touching and comments to her were unacceptable, but he continued anyway, convinced that eventually she would learn to love being molested by a mentally ill manchild and would become his [[sweetheart from the ground-up]]. He ''bragged'' to the latter about how he learned to keep his hands to himself after the fallout with Megan, then faceplanted her breasts.

After Megan cut ties with Chris for uploading [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|a drawing of him fingerbanging her]] to his ED page, he did not apologize,<ref name="Megan Saga">[http://encyclopediadramatica.rs/Chris-chan/Megan_Saga Megan Saga]</ref> but rather explained to her (in a terribly [[naïve]] way) how a handjob works, under the misguided assumption that she merely was upset because she didn't recognize the sex act being performed, or in the hope that she would rationalize what he did on this basis. When this failed to placate her, he then had the nerve to say "I am hurting SOOOOO MUCH MORE than you can be."<ref name="Megan Saga"/> Why? Not because of the picture, but because the trolls were being mean to him. Yes, ''[[Ego|him]]''. Based on [[List of Chris's ED edits|his ED edits]], he was more concerned with people thinking he was fingering his [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|imaginary twin sister]] than he was with defending Megan's honor.

Years later, Chris would go so far as to totally demonize Megan for rejecting his 'good intentions', posting her address up on his [[Facebook]] profile in the hopes that trolls would find it and punish her for him. On 3 and 4 October 2013, he took this even further, posting [[October_2013_Facebook_Posts#Megagi_La_Skunk_agrees_that_you_should_have_never_been_born|an unbelievable multi-part tirade]] about Megan on Facebook, wherein he accused her of being the leader of a vast troll conspiracy against him and claimed to have consorted with a ''[[Chris and reality|fictional]] [[Megagi La Skunk|character]]'' Megan once made for him, who supposedly told Chris that Megan [[Sandy|should never have been born]]. As if this wasn't enough insanity on its own, Chris then went on to claim he had confiscated the [[Sailor Megtune]] superpowers he had given her in the comics, and proceeded to demand that Megan fix his entire life, or else he would sic the spirits of his deceased father and dog on her.

Chris has even started up [[List of Chris's Lies|false]] [[rape]] claims against his [[Bruce Johnson|elementary school principal]]. That alone should warrant anybody to not defend him ever.

After each of his online relationships ends, Chris starts looking for a new [[sweetheart]] right away, ''even if she died''. No matter the setback, his ego just keeps getting bigger.

In mid-July 2009, he addressed a person named [[The July 10th Messages|"SonichuIzCool"]] on YouTube. SonichuIzCool is probably the ''only'' genuine fan of ''Sonichu'' discovered to date, someone who tried to defend Chris and his comic. She was also genuinely mentally disabled. In his YouTube message, Chris called her "naïve and [[slow in the mind]]." He told her she had to "come out where [he] can meet [her]." Another side of this incident is that his YouTube account had been recently hacked, and he had managed to recover it this time, thus avoiding whatever damage the trolls ''might'' have caused. Poetically, after he posted this video, he got his account suspended due to ''his own actions''. SonichuIzCool didn't step down, and responded back with a video that criticized his actions. To date, Chris has never issued a response to that, thus meaning he was dismantled by a slow-in-the-mind.

On 1 November 2009, in his attempt to blackmail Clyde Cash, Chris went so far as to create a YouTube video called [[Twin Falling Towers]], wherein he ''mocks 9/11''. When feeling angry at Clyde Cash, he not only thought it would be a good idea to blackmail him, but used the ''destruction of two skyscrapers full of people after being hit by airliners full of jet fuel and terrorists'' as a metaphor for how weak he thought Clyde was. He even used his mouse cursor as a "plane" and made childish explosion noises. When people got angry, he tried to fix things by turning the World Trade Center towers into [[Cakefarts|cake]] candles. To the best of anyone's knowledge, Chris was never coaxed or encouraged by an outside source to use the Twin Tower images. He came up with this reprehensible idea all on his own.

[[Image:MikesWedding.jpg|thumb|right|Happily forever after.]]

In January 2010, a "fan" named Mike Jackson asked Chris for advice, whether he should [[Mailbag 31#If your kids are 16 or 17, you should watch porn with them|watch pornography with his family]] and [[Mailbag 35#In which Chris advises a father to buy his son whores|buy a prostitute for his son]], Mike Junior, or not. Chris, being such an [[Dating Education|"expert"]], encouraged him to do so. When "Mike" got back to him, the news wasn't good; Mike Jr. ran away with the prostitute, and Mike Sr. begged Chris to make a [[YouTube]] video asking his son to come home. Unfortunately, Chris was under a lot of [[stress]], and could not make the video. Chris was next contacted by Mike's "wife", who told him that after discovering that Mike Jr. had married the prostitute in Las Vegas, Mike Sr. died from a sleeping pill overdose. Chris didn't even give a damn about the obituary linked by Mike's widow, offering her his infamous canned response in lieu of even pretending to give a fuck, then later responded to Mike's son's grief and anger with all of three words: [[Chris and remorse|"I am sorry."]] When called out later, he denied having ever spoken to Mike, much less read his obituary. While this was all obviously trolling, Chris's nonchalant reaction to his hypothetically ruining someone's life and tearing their family apart doesn't exactly paint him in a good light.

In the post [[Tomgirl_Saga| Tomgirl saga]] world of Chris some trolls have shown remorse over past trollings of Chris. Some cite Chris' new minority gender identity and his infamous autism as reasons to be more sympathetic to Chris. However, Chris has never shown respect for other transgendered people, but has been outright transphobic [[Doxing Jeff/Francine|by refusing to acknowledge their identity]] or [[I Am me; He is not| using slurs against them]]. This does not stop Chris demanding that people respect his new found gender identity without a hint of self-awareness. Chris has made it clear he doesn't have respect for others even if they share very similar problems or experiences like him. Even post tomgirl Chris has also gone on record refusing to date anyone transgendered or with autism. Chris hates those who are similar to him [[Chris and hypocrisy|for bringing his insecurities and imperfections to light and will lash out at them for it]].

Further adding to this short-lived newfound pity towards Chris was the [[26 December 2014]] incident, from the way in which he conducted himself, commanding employees "[[Chris and negotiation|Don't call anybody!]]" and generally behaving as if [[Chris and reality|he were]] [[Chris and his Ego|answerable]] [[Chris and the law|to no-one]] [[Chris and religion|throughout]], to macing a GameStop employee as he walked out out of the store. This is just after Chris [[I Love You, Catherine|supposedly fell]] [[To Mr. Smith|into a depression]], and the fact that he quickly bounced back with an act of astounding [[Ego|hubris]] and [[Naive|stupidity]] shows how little of pity most people had for him prior to that point. The revelation that Chris was in jail awaiting video court two days later was received with relief, and hopes that he may finally be forced [[Chris and remorse|to]] [[Chris and anger|learn]] [[Chris and his ego|lessons]] [[Chris and reality|he]] [[Chris and psychology|should've]] been taught three decades ago.

Any reason you might could find for believing you can save Chris is only fooling yourself. Chris has willfully chosen to become a leech on society and any of many people listed on this wiki who had taken pity on him. He goes from person to person and community to community only to take what ever he feels entitled to from them, and then throw a temper tantrum when they expel him for unacceptable behavior. To illustrate this point, many of the people Chris has hated the most were not trolls or cruel to him, but simply had gotten in the way of things he wanted regardless if it was intentional or not. For example, [[Wes Iseli]] for dating a girl he liked, [[Adam Stackhouse]] for winning a contest he wanted to win, or [[Mary Lee Walsh]] for prohibiting his [[attraction sign]] on campus. This is a cycle that anyone who has followed Chris' misadventures is familiar with, and it is safe to say your efforts to change or help him will be no different. Chris needs professional and perhaps Institutional help. Anonymous strangers, as well-meaning as they may be, are not equipped with the proper recourses to help Chris, especially as Chris continues [[List of places that have banned Chris| to get banned throughout Charlottesville]] many times without the help of trolls or weens.

===Chris cares only for himself===
Chris spends [[monthly tugboat|your tax money]] on luxuries and steals from his parents to buy [[PSN|random video games]] he'll never play, and even DLC for ''games he doesn't own''. He has the basic skills necessary to hold down a job, so long as it doesn't require him to do much interacting with other people. Programs exist specifically to find appropriate jobs for the mentally challenged, but Chris hasn't even tried since being fired from [[Wendy's]]. He's never going to get a job now, of course - what with [[Chris and the law|his various run-ins with the law]], [[List of places that have banned Chris|his growing local reputation for public tantrums and violence]], his social security, and the fact that he's in his thirties, and [[Wendy's|has only been employed for a month or so]] in his entire life, over a decade ago - but he missed a lot of opportunities while it was still possible. Had he made the right choices, he could've been on a career path and out of his ancestral cesspool by now.

Further reinforcing his selfishness and laziness, Chris and his family strongly agree it's better for him to hole up in his room and get paid for doing absolutely nothing than to accept the challenge of finding gainful employment in the real world. This is based on the false assertion that Chris can earn more on disability than from a job. By taking advantage of the government through vastly exaggerated claims of [[Autism|an easily manageable illness]] which they refuse to help Chris treat, Chris's parents are assured a steady income in the form of his room-and-board payments, and don't have to worry about [[Chris and the Law|Chris getting in trouble with the law again]] when he has another breakdown in public.

His steadfast belief that he can get more money by doing nothing as opposed to getting a job is best underscored in his in [[April 2017 Facebook posts#Chris explains why he won't get a job|an April 2017 Facebook post]], where he explains why he refuses to get a job.

One of his real-life friends tell him that there are services that help people like him get a job, and says she was able to land a job through those services. Chris replies saying that he's too prone to anxiety and shock, and a troll responds that the very fears of getting a job that he's describing are actually very normal for people new to the workforce. She later tells him concerning his refusal to get a job that it's OK as "Not everyone wants to work," but clarifies that "it's OK not to work when you don't need money." That, however, never crosses Chris's mind, and [[Financhu Crisis|considering the Chandlers' financial problems]] that they're in.

But just in case you needed any solid proof of Chris' outright selfishness, it basically came straight from the horse's mouth during his trial. When asked if he understood that he'll be paying his court fees:

{{quote| "Yes. My mother will be taking care of that." |Chris.<ref>[[This_is_how_the_Trial_went]]</ref>}}

Keep in mind that the money being used to bail him out of a mess that he caused is coming out of an ailing old widow's purse while Chris [[Chris and Money|nonchalantly throws his own money away]], as evidenced by his PSN activity mere months later. Also, in 2013, [[Facebook#I_have_had_more_freedom_when_my_father_was_alive|he further hammers this point home]] by complaining about having to take care of Barb with Bob's passing, concerned more about his free time and Michael Snyder taking his money away.

===Chris is not a good net citizen===
{{quote|I will have NO DISCUSSIONS GOING ON BEHIND MY BACK ON MY OWN WEBSITE WHATSOEVER!|Chris, on reader participation via [[Twitter]].}}
Chris is more concerned with spreading his own [[honest content]] than being a good net citizen. On the internet, his demeanor is comparable to that of a spammer: who cares about things like terms of service and account suspensions and masses of pissed-off people as long as his message gets through? He won't participate in the communities of the sites he posts on. This is not mere ''passivity'' in those communities, which is generally tolerable; he ''deliberately opposes'' such participation. Most people, while not bothering to contribute to communities, would at least not make deliberate efforts to hinder them. On [[deviantART]], [[YouTube]] and [[Flipnote Hatena]], he disables all comments, probably because he knew he'd not get any praise anyway, yet this ignores the fact that open commenting is part of the nature of these sites and disabling comments should be done only if it's being used for flagrant abuses of the system, like spam, excessive trolling, and votebotting. He regards YouTube purely as a video publishing venue and not as a tool for engaging in discussion with his "fans". He created his [[Wikipedia]] user page purely to spread his own message, and did not come to the site to participate in building an encyclopedia. If the site owners block him, he just comes up with another account or a sockpuppet. Thoughts of apologizing, getting old accounts reinstated, or the possibility that people who block him might be trying to send him a message never cross his mind.

Chris's behavior on the CWCipedia provides many more examples of his selfish attitude, such as the banner ad crisis in late 2009. He doesn't understand what it ''really'' means that the website is neither hosted nor paid for by him personally, and what sort of things the administration typically does on a website like his. He can't or won't understand simple principles like "webhost's house, webhost's rules," or "beggars can't be choosers," but instead believes that since the site has his name on it, it should be run according to his every demand.

===Chris will reject your advice===
[[Image:0231-MrsSanfordsWiseWords.jpg|thumb|right|What are you going to tell Chris that his [[Virginia Jeanine Sanford|favorite teacher]] didn't tell him 20 years ago?]]
Someone [[White knight E-mails|carefully explained to Chris why he is a sexist]]. In response, Chris got angry. He is only interested in a guide on how to attract women without first making any changes to himself. Most ridiculously: he denies being [[Obesity|overweight]].

If you ever get some free time, read Vivian Gee's AIM chat. Vivian actually used to be a counter-troll, and warned Chris several times that PandaHalo was a troll. Chris fell for Panda anyway. She then tried to talk some damn sense into him over AIM. But Chris proved to be so goddamn stubborn, she actually tossed the towel and became a troll out of spite. In her words:

{{quote|i've tried for 3 hours now; it's like fighting a wall, i can't beat the wall no matter how hard i try.|Vivian, thoroughly summing up how it feels to try to smack some sense into Chris.}}

Not only has she long since joined the troll ranks, but Chris even began [[Sign Destruction Video|berating and sending threats]] to the woman who was once his biggest defender ever.

===Chris will reject your disclosure of the truth===
* [[Hanna]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Lori Lopez]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* Blanca was the name of more than a few trolls, and Chris fell for it.
* PandaHalo was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite Vivian's warnings.<ref>[[Vivian Gee E-mails]]</ref>
* [[Robert Simmons V]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[JK Productions]] was a troll pretending to be an entire video game development company, and Chris fell for it.
* Sarah May was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Sarah Jackson]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* Julie was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* Ivy was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite warnings from the counter-troll that must not be named.
* [[Vanessa Hudgens]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Emily]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Kacey]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it. She also married [[Liquid Chris]].
** [[Father Call|Kacey's dad]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Jackie]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it. [[February_2012|Twice.]]
* [[Catherine]] was a real-life troll, and Chris fell for it, despite [[Anna McLerran|Anna]]'s warnings.

See a pattern here? Back in the day, Chris would've simply dismissed any attempt to open his eyes to the obvious as an attempt to "ruin his relationship/business partnership for the lulz".

As of 2012, however, it seems that Chris has done a 180 on this, where, out of [[Autism|sheer paranoia]], he believes that anybody<ref>[[:File:Fbp10.png]]</ref> and everybody<ref>[[:File:Fbp6.png]]</ref> is a troll, even when he has no sane reason to reach that conclusion<ref>[[:File:Koreans.PNG]]</ref>.

Surprisingly, even in [[2014]], it was revealed that his latest girlfriend, Catherine, was a troll construct. While [[CWCki Forums|the community observing Chris]] are [[Trolls#Today|no longer impressed]] by such [[weening]], it still shows that even after almost a decade of trolls leading him around by his [[duck]], Chris has learned absolutely nothing.

===Chris's normal life is often weirder than the trolling===
Chris won't take your advice, so he will fall for trolling. Trolls do some ''bizarre'' things and Chris believes almost everything. But even if Chris had no white knights or trolls, his life would still be out of the ordinary.

The things Chris achieves when left to his own devices are sometimes even more jaw-dropping than what the trolls think up. His previous brushes with [[Jerkops|authority figures]] and his [[Attraction Sign|creepy]] [[Fridays After Five|behavior]] during his outside leisure time are good examples.

===Chris asks for it, and always recovers===
Hellbent on spreading his version of the truth because he's TRUE and HONEST, Chris cannot realize that his edit warring on Encyclopedia Dramatica was practically a squeal begging for more trolling.

[[wiktionary:TMI|TMI]] is a tactic Chris uses that backfires without fail. Since Chris insists on revealing the most minute details of his life to everyone he meets, the trolls always get more information to fuel further acts of trolling. White knights cannot stop our hero from being honest.

Chris doesn't get embarrassed either. Oh, his nudes and [[Recycling|lewd acts]] are all over the internet? No big deal! [[Captain's Log, Stardate April 28th, 2009|All adults do that kind of thing]], so what's the problem?

Chris managed to fully recover from the depressing [[Chris Chan Update 21 October 2008|21 October 2008 video]] mentioned above (and quite quickly, too) and proceeded to fail even harder for months. Likewise, despite professing great emotional distress, he bounced back from [[CWC is Sad|the loss of Kacey]] in [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|a matter of hours]]. He even bounced back after being [[Mumble 9|verbally abused by a room of trolls]], one of whom went so far as to tell him to go kill himself. Whatever the trolls say or do to Chris, he always does or says something worse to someone else, and he always bounces back anyway, so what's the problem?

[[Image:Chriscash.jpg|thumb|right|180px|True, true.]]

===Chris has made himself an outcast===
High school and college are where people are given their first and often only chance to become a functioning part of society. They gave Chris an even greater chance because he's autistic. They lent him a friendly, caring hand and opened themselves to his friendship, males and females alike. And what did Chris do? He ''refused, by choice,'' to associate with anyone who wasn't [[Gal-pals|female]], [[Pedofork|young]], [[Chris and race|white]], in the [[Charlottesville]] area, and [[Barbara Chandler|willing to mother him forever more]].

When [[Mary Lee Walsh|the dean]] gave him a chance to reform his behavior, he kept going with his bullshit, threw a particularly bizarre tantrum in her office, and was rightly kicked out of [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] for a full year. What did he learn from that? He learned that Mary Lee Walsh was an evil hag with a personal vendetta against him. He was given ''several'' chances to learn that his loitering and soliciting were not appropriate behaviors in a public place, and what did he learn? He learned that mall cops are Jerkops, that [[Virginia is for Virgins]], and that his [[Love Quest]] was a matter of him against the world, with the world as the antagonist. After he was kicked out of The GAMe PLACe (where he was again given far more leeway than most people ever would have been given, due to Snyder's misguided pity for him), he was barred from his last hangout in Ruckersville that was still open to him.

Now, it's too late for Chris. He has been offered friendship and care time and again, and every time without fail, he drives his friends away with his entitlement, his perverse, bizarre, bellicose behaviors, or his inappropriate sexual advances, or, failing that, he will dismiss them for trying to get him to improve himself or behave like a responsible adult. While he has began frequenting [[Impulse Gay Social Club]] in recent months, and could potentially make friends there, many Christorians believe it is merely a matter of time before history repeats itself and Chris alienates himself from the other regulars.

Complain as he might, Chris's own actions have made him an outcast, and since he refuses to accept this, much less attempt to improve himself, an outcast he shall remain. Try as they might, neither white knights nor trolls have the power to save Chris from his delusions and cognitive dissonance, only he does.

===The stresses of white-knighting===
In order to get close to Chris, white knights have to spend at least as much time and effort as trolls to keep up-to-date on his activities. Most have to lie and pretend to be a single girl to even capture his attention. This, combined with Chris's habit of pushing away anyone who tries to connect with him, is enough to make any sane non-psychologist crash into slumber.

===Chris will not even read your message===
The spam filter is a powerful innovation of good ol' America Online. Any e-mails sent to his address will be left unread and deleted. Even back in the days of the [[Mailbag]], any emails submitted to it, if they even got published, would've been [[Mailbag 29|given one-word replies and ignored]].

===The trolling will not cease===
Even if white knights get to Chris somehow, there is no endgame in which Chris will be free from trolls before his death.

In school, Chris was trolled by his classmates. He was even trolled by one of his [[Joshua Martinez|real life friends]]. In college, he was trolled by friends who grew sick of his bullshit, and by [[Anna McLerran|girls]] [[Hannah|annoyed]] by his "attraction methods" and rampant, unabashed sexism. If Chris quit the Internet tomorrow, he would still be trolled by a society that refuses to tolerate ignorant manchildren flouting its rules.

If everyone trying to create his next fake sweetheart suddenly got bored and quit, Chris would unconsciously attract new trolls to take their place, and we all know weens are more than willing.

If Chris isn't assigned a custodian after Barbara dies, his story will probably end when he falls victim to some con artist who swindles him out of his monthly tugboat and perhaps his home. If Chris does get assigned a custodian, he will continue his antics until the custodian kicks him out or bans him from the internet. If the custodian bans Chris from the internet, that's Chris trolling himself.

If Chris ends up in prison (again) he will be trolled there as well, and that's if he's lucky.

If the entire world reforms and decides to leave Chris alone, his own sense of victimization will override any benefit. Consider that Chris felt persecuted simply by observing [[JERKS|males who had more success than himself]]. He regards legitimate assertions of authority as rank brutality. [[Adam Stackhouse]] managed to upset Chris to a degree that Christorians still find especially impressive, and he did it without even knowing that Chris existed at the time. Bleak as it is, unless Chris embarks on a program of radical self-improvement, and manages against the odds to shake off both his legions of abusers and seamy reputation, he will forever feel like a thoroughly-kicked autistic.

===The trolling helps Chris and, indeed, others===
If Chris were just some random nobody on the Internet, he'd be doing nothing but playing vidya and occasionally drawing unsellable art until Barb died. He'd remain without social skills, a job, success or future.

Instead, Chris's antics have become a cultural phenomenon that, without exaggeration, is something extraordinary, unique, and which likely won't be replicated in any shape or form for years to come. Chris has long secured his place among such luminaries as [[wikipedia:Time Cube|Gene Ray]] and [[wikipedia:John Titor|John Titor]], and unlike Gene, you can actually comprehend what Chris is saying most of the time. Chris's interactions with the world through his websites and YouTube have drawn in a considerable number of people from around the world who are participating in an unprecedented, continual piece of performance art of a kind that would have been unheard of only a few years ago. He brings entertainment to thousands of people all over Earth, an accomplishment that most could never dream of achieving--the kind of thing that would give Dane Cook a stiffy just to consider. His internet fame is actually a sort of success in its own right, and ''may'' bring him further success. There are thousands of people out there that are so fascinated by him that they study and document his life on a daily basis.

One could argue that if Chris eventually "retired" from this comedy act by actually coming to terms with his problems, seeking professional help, and completely reforming (and selling media rights to his life's story to the highest bidder, like all sensible people would do), he could live the rest of his life secure and probably moderately well-off. The audience would give him a standing ovation for entertaining them for as long as he did, and move on to the next piece of tragicomedy brought to us by the emerging Web technologies. We have seen far more messed-up celebrity stories already; Chris's tale is at least quite different from the norm and engaging.

What's more, the trolls provide him with an actual social outlet to learn and grow, even if he generally opts out of doing either. Instead of being an unemployable, fat bedroom-dweller that nobody has ever heard of, he's an internet-famous unemployable, fat bedroom dweller, and this by itself increases his chances of getting friends and a girl. He may even end up employed, too, possibly appearing in an advertisement or sponging off royalties from any biographical medium, whether it be a book, movie, or TV series. He could even [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys (album)|become the next William Hung]] if he put half an ounce of effort into it.

In fact, recently, Chris seems to have latched onto the idea of monetizing his e-fame, which he has managed somewhat successfully. It started with him being paid by a Japanese noise band (albeit a really obscure one) to produce artwork for their album cover (that didn't feature Sonichu or himself for a change) in early 2015, for which he received $50. At around the same time, he started making replica [[medallions]], taking commissions, and, a little later, making custom Sonichu Amiibos, all of which sold fairly well on [[eBay]], particularly the medallions.

In [[August 2015]], Chris did what no-one had thought he would - he resumed work on the Sonichu comics, asking for donations in exchange for releasing new pages, at a price of $10 per page. He even redrew some of the old comics to be a [[Chris and anger|little more]] [[Death threats|tasteful]], for example retconning the infamous gory executions of the Asperpedia Four in the original version of [[Sonichu 10]] to banishment to an Amish community and forced marriage. Many on Kiwi Farms applauded his resumption of work on the comics, a move they had long suggested. It was predicted that the comics would be a better earner for Chris than the relatively unsuccessful botched Amiibos; although no-one could have forseen [[Autism|one person paying Chris $1000]] - which translates into 100 pages worth of new Sonichu comics - meaning Chris gets money for toys, weed and hormones, while we get new content, and the pleasure of watching the fallout <s>if</s> when Chris fails to produce that many pages. It should of course go without saying that Chris's merchandise is bought ([[Kenneth Erwin Englehardt|almost]]) exclusively by trolls, Christorians, and the rest of his "fanbase", as the fragile, low-quality crap he churns out has no value to anyone else. All in all, Chris is finally cashing in on his e-fame, which may someday lead to him "making peace" with his tormentors, and recognizing that he has a somewhat symbiotic relationship with them. Which of course, renders white knighting essentially redundant.

Another important point to remember is that Chris's perversions, flaws and constant failure have made his life into something of a cautionary tale to other autistic people, and he has inspired [[Autism#Chris and other autistics|hundreds]] of them to self-improvement. Really, no matter how dire his circumstances come to be, he's accomplishing a pretty good thing here.

===Chris treats "fans" and white knights like crap===
If you try to white knight him, his response is merely to block you on Facebook and never respond. He accuses practically all white knights of being trolls. Quite ironic, isn't it? He screams "I'M STRAIGHT!" when you tell him up front that you're a guy. When you tell him his current "girlfriend" is actually a troll, he'll accuse you of wanting to "break up the relationship for the lulz." He'll be rude, won't listen and won't read between the lines. He will always bite the hand that feeds him, so you should just let him wallow in [[You know what, I HATE ME TOO|his own self-loathing]].

{{quote|Whatever.|Chris' [[Mailbag_29#Whatever|1-word response]] to a fan leaving him, a social worker concerned about the [[Chris_and_health#Living_conditions|state of his house]], and a fan concerned about [[Chandler_Cats#Kitty|one of his cats]].}}
{{quote|You can go f*** yourself.|Chris' [[Mailbag_43#Go_Fuck_Yourself.2C_too.21|response]] to constructive criticism about [[Chris_and_copyright#Chris.27s_views|copyright]].}}

Chris doesn't treat his so-called "fans" much better. Even aside from the SonichuIzCool incident mentioned above, Chris has severe problems answering questions from his fans, and will often react in a hostile manner to everything he sees as negative or offensive. His Mailbag is the most obvious example. He hates being corrected, and tenaciously clings to his misinformed beliefs; his insistence that Asperger's Syndrome and autism are unrelated is a good example of this. When, or if, he's having a good day and manages to answer questions from fans at all, he often gives them very brief, one or two word answers that do not elaborate on anything, or outright ignore parts of the question. Not only is he terse, he's also slow to act; for example, it [[Brutal Legend Plus|took him three days to realize]] that a [[Brutal Legend|video he uploaded]] had no audio on it whatsoever. He also promised that [[Sonichu Fan Promo|a spectacular fan creation]] would be officially featured in the ''Sonichu'' comic, and it ultimately was, ''over a year later''.

Most webcomics have a specific schedule that they have decided to follow. Many webcomics fail to live up to them, some less, some more, some for good reasons, some have no excuse whatsoever. Chris didn't have a set schedule for the comic for the longest time, but then agreed to update the comic on a daily basis, a schedule which even the most well-funded webcomic artists would consider particularly demanding. In February and March 2010, there have been few updates to the comic. When the inevitable complaints about schedule slip started to come, Chris snapped at his fans by saying that inspiration takes its time, forgetting that it was ''he'' who decided daily updates were the way to go. As the "Great Director Chandler", he could have the power to decide what schedule to follow, but instead, he chose to attack his fans.

===Chris's upbringing doesn't justify his actions===
The shitty way [[Borb]] raised him may be an ''explanation'' for why Chris is so fucked up, but it's not an ''excuse''. Plenty of people have bad childhoods, and abusive or incompetent parents. However, these people don't use that as an excuse for whatever bad things they do. As these people get help and move on, Chris, on the other hand, remains dependent on the same people who screwed him up, and doesn't even try to move past his childhood. Instead, he escapes into a world of fantasy and pornography, and when confronted by reality, he will use all the mental gymnastics at his disposal to twist reality to resemble how he wants it to be. There's also the fact that [[Cole Smithey]] grew up in the same household with the same parents, and yet he lives a relatively normal life. Meanwhile, Chris behaves like an overgrown child, draws art on par with that of elementary schoolers, is chronically in trouble with the law for his persistent failure to regulate his own behavior in public, and generally is extremely antisocial.

===Chris's life would still be a disaster even if the trolls never bothered him===
Today, Chris is a total human trainwreck, slowly losing the last of his sanity as each day goes by. While the systematic trolling of him throughout the last few years has doubtless contributed to his degrading mental state (especially his extreme paranoia and distrust for almost everyone), the fact still remains that his life's horrible state is mainly caused by factors outside of the internet. He would still be a lonely outcast, as his poor upbringing gave him such warped views of the world and led him to engage in such bizarre behavior that he drove away every person he tried to connect with. He would still be living in unsanitary conditions due to Barb's hoarding and the fact that his house has not been properly cleaned in the better part of a decade. He would still be banned from most of his favorite hangouts due to his loitering and hostile behavior to other patrons. Also, at the core of it all is how Chris decided that he would be better off living off government handouts while he sits around playing with toys and video games instead of getting a job and heading down a career path, which would have been his one-way ticket to escaping the cesspool that is [[14 Branchland Court]] and living a fulfilling life, not unlike that of his half-brother. Instead, he decided to remain dependent on his elderly, emotionally disturbed parents; look how well that's working out for him.

True to his word, Chris all but abandoned the Internet between [[July 2012]] and [[2013]], save for sporadic ramblings on Facebook. Despite this, quite a bit was revealed about how well he was doing independent of troll influence. He [[Other_documents#Epistle_to_the_Wesley_Memorial_United_Methodist_Church|alienated himself from his church]], earning a ban from the new pastor (undoubtedly because Chris wouldn't shut the hell up about the trolls). After being banned, he even dismissed Rocky as an effective counselor (keep in mind that Rocky once bailed him out of jail, which is quite an extraordinary act of kindness, counselor or not), and went so far as to accuse [[Chris and religion|God]] of being a troll. He continues to this day to describe his life as isolated and lonely, with nobody willing to talk to him, a scenario many have tried and failed to warn him about. He even earned some ire from Anna, his biggest white knight for [[Facebook#Gay_Marriage|making anti-homosexual statements]] on his Facebook page, he even chose to argue with her instead of trying to piece together why a lesbian friend of his would find such statements offensive. As a coup de grace on all of this, Chris ended up trolling himself in the grandest fashion by revealing an [[Facebook#Imgur|Imgur account]] made of all of his previously hidden Facebook posts, despite trolls (save for the one who started it) being completely in the dark about it.

Even if all of that doesn't convince you for some reason, consider this: Chris came ''this'' close to being thrown in jail on [[28 October 2011]], and it's possible he'll end up there at last with the more recent [[26 December 2014]] incident, both of which involved the assault of innocent retail workers trying to protect their customers from him. Both times, he did this on his own initiative, with no prodding from the trolls. And make no mistake, ''everyone'' was thoroughly disgusted by Chris's actions, none were eager to defend his pepper-spray assault on an innocent employee, even those who helped support his [[Sonic Boom Protests]] before.

If we were to be extraordinarily generous and assume that none of the disasters which have befallen Chris since the trolling efforts began in earnest would otherwise have happened, the facts ''still'' indicate that Chris's life would have been a complete mess. Chris was discovered by the internet at large in late 2007, by which point he had already been suspended from college, and banned from the [[Fashion Square]] (twice), along with his local branches of [[Wal-Mart]] and [[Target]], only avoiding criminal charges for the ruckus he caused at the latter because the state didn't feel it was worth the effort to pursue the case. As recently as two months before the "official" start of the trolling of Chris, he was making death threats against Adam Stackhouse and his preteen sister, for the former's unwitting disruption of Chris's plan to lose his virginity with Megan, something that she had made clear she had no interest in doing. It may be a depressing conclusion to arrive at, but there's never been anything that anyone outside of the confines of 14 Branchland Court could have reasonably done to prevent Chris's life from being a trainwreck.

===Chris's white knights are making him worse===
A quick glance at the comments on his Facebook statuses should confirm this. Even after he ''committed a felony'' by assaulting a GameStop employee with pepper spray on Boxing Day 2014, then posted a long-winded, obviously dishonest tirade painting himself as an innocent victim on Facebook, none of his white knights offered anything more than a softly-worded, mild condemnation of his behavior. [[William Elliott Waterman|Some]] avoided a direct response altogether, and made some barely relevant comment that conspicuously avoided the main point of Chris's self-serving drivel, probably a feeble and misguided attempt to defuse his [[Chris and anger|rage]].

And this is how his white knights react whenever he gets angry about having to face the consequences of his own behavior. It's painfully clear to Chris's trolls and other observers that his white knights are woefully ill-equipped to deal with Chris. The reactions his tantrums garner from them clearly indicate that they remain ignorant (passively or otherwise) to facts that most learned long ago; namely, that the "soft touch" has never worked with Chris, and only serves to reinforce his [[Chris and reality|belief]] that [[Chris and his Ego|he should be given whatever he desires]] (he is even openly stating that he is ''entitled'' to a girlfriend), and allowed to do as he pleases, while [[Barbara Chandler|others]] shield him from the [[Chris and the Law|negative repercussions]].

Chris's white knights also habitually feed Chris's belief that his trolls are subhuman bullies who simply want to see him destroyed in every conceivable way because he's such a special, brave little boy. While this is arguably [[A-Logging|true of]] [[Weening|some]], for the most part, Chris's trolls are just as interested in seeing Chris improve himself as white knights are, if not moreso, even if many are beginning to doubt such a thing is possible. Indeed, many of the female troll personas who "date" or "befriend" Chris have tried to help him see the error of his ways and reform, and continue to do so. It is partially due to the influence of Chris's white knights, who foolishly (and often futilely) try to root out these trolls, that these attempts to help Chris never result in lasting, positive change on his part.

In short, most of Chris's white knights are attention whores, sycophants or both. To these people, going on a witch-hunt for trolls is preferable to actually trying to help Chris, something which, ironically, even Chris's trolls continue to try to do.

==Examples==
:''Read: [[White knight emails]]''

===White Knights on YouTube===

Among the most notable of Chris's white knights was a [[YouTube]] counter-troll who claimed to be a 21 year-old Russian model named Svenka. Via her YouTube account, [http://www.youtube.com/user/hottiee96 hottiee96], she released an inordinate number of screencaps from troll conversations on [[Sonichu IRC]], including private conversations between Chris and Panda. She also released an image of the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] who would later steal Chris's first date, [[Emily]]. Were Chris less thick-skulled and even slightly willing to accept irrefutable evidence, Svenka may have made somewhat of a negative impact on the organized trolling effort against Chris, but ultimately she was ineffectual. Svenka also had a unhealthy obsession with the [[CWCville Library]]'s original curator, Arjen Van Dierten.

On 6 [[May 2009]], YouTube user xThexPinchx/NorthxStar7/[http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePinchisDaBomb ThePinchisDaBomb] tried to blackmail major trolls, claiming to have information on them. He was easily called on his bluff by someone who had not trolled Chris at all.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/user/softerthanhardware YouTube]</ref> The Pinch has also threatened [[BlueSpike]] saying he has information from his friends, forgetting the fact that BlueSpike ''has no friends''.

===White Knights on Facebook===

In recent times (since 2012), Chris has taken to using Facebook as his main means of expressing himself. Inevitably, this has not only attracted the attention of trolls, but, in 2013, a slew of White Knights as well, in particular, a [[William Elliott Waterman]], who taunted the trolls to come after him instead of Chris ('''Spoiler:''' Nobody did, because nobody actually cared what he had to say). Anna and [[Kim]] are two of the most notable ones on his friends list, both of whom try to offer constructive advice whenever Chris nosedives into a rant...when they're not busy kissing his ass, especially in the case of Anna.

However, as we've come to expect of Chris, anybody who tells him something he doesn't want to hear are people that needed to be brushed off until they stop saying those mean, awful things to him. A good case in point is his [[September 2013 Facebook Posts#Chris_Expresses_His_Outrage_for_Walmart|anger-laced tirade in September 2013, when he got thrown out of Walmart and started calling names]]. The white knights typically chimed in with their support...''until'' he revealed that he [[Chris and the law|vandalized]] an Xbox One display in the store. Several of them then told Chris that this was not right of him to do, and that the manager had every right to throw him out. His response to that?

{{quote|They do not.
And if they do, they are most in the wrong, [[Chris and reality|because they are most abusive and overzealous of their "authoritative power" that never has existed ever]].|- Chris's response to Chris Rhodes}}

===White Knights in Real Life===

Aside from the most obvious example, an old classmate of Chris from [[Manchester High School]] came online and attempted to defend Chris. Once [[SheCameForCWC.jpg|certain details]] became known, however, said classmate quickly backpedaled on this once he realized that the majority of [[CWCki|what happened]] was Chris' own fault.

===TV Tropes===
The TV Tropes [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Webcomic/Sonichu article on ''Sonichu''] used to have a white knight message as the first text of the article, with a link back to this very page. It was eventually removed due to TV Tropes' website policy changing later on--in other words, said message would no longer be allowed on the website. The message is reproduced below:

{{quote|Hey Chris! If you're reading this: you seriously need to get help from licensed professionals, before the stuff you do gets you thrown in prison or forcibly committed. And we're sorry, but you have no real fans - the people you think are your fans are really either trolls or laughing at you behind your back. Every. Last. One. Please listen to us - for once.|- Concerned tropers}}

Unfortunately, the editor in question fails to realize that their message, while well intentioned, will do absolutely nothing and Chris will simply ignore it even if he does [[Mailbag 52|fully read and input it for better development. Thank you for your time.]]

==Conclusion==
As good as your intentions may be, there is no conceivable way any old e-friend can reach Chris at this point and change him for the better, certainly not by continuing to ass-pat and pamper him, which is precisely what fucked him up so badly in the first place (as this wiki evidences copiously). Your efforts will unfortunately fail, and he will just brush you aside, seeing no difference between you and the trolls, for daring to tell him anything he does not want to hear. With each new incident he causes, it is increasingly obvious that little short of [[Chris and psychology|professional intervention]], the [[Chris and religion|intercession of]] [[GodJesus]], or a [[Destruction Of Chris's House|horrifyingly close brush with death]] will change him.

Though the trolls have certainly tried to be a positive influence on Chris, even they are now largely admitting that Chris is well beyond our aid. They have spent years trying to pierce Chris's many insulating layers of self-deceit, egotism and sheer stubbornness. It is worth bearing in mind that it is these people, not the white knights, that are the closest thing he has to friends, and that some of them have been at this for nearly a decade. They ''know'' him, and if they can't make Chris change, what on earth makes you think you can?

To conclude, with Chris's paranoia, detachment from reality, outlandish behavior and bellicosity all becoming steadily more severe, and with interventions by trolls and white knights alike failing, the best we can hope for is that Chris causes [[26 December 2014|some sort of trouble]] that leads to him receiving the help he needs.

==See also==
*[[A-Logging]]
*[[Weening]]
*[[White knight E-mails]]

==References==
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==External links==
* [http://encyclopediadramatica.rs/White_knight White Knighting] article at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]].

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