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Talk:Homos

2012-01-28T17:22:14Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Fan video */

==To do==
*All of Chris's quotes asserting his heterosexuality
*Picture of Chris in his mom's underwear
*His comments against homos

==Expand to include Lesbians?==
This could be the topic of a separate article, but how would you people feel about including lesbians into this one? It's an interesting evolution of Chris's ideas. Originally, Chris was perfectly fine with lesbians, as he'd only have male homosexuals jailed and programmed whiled lesbians would be safe. Obviously, the reason why Chris likes lesbians is because they don't make him question his sexuality. I forget what exactly prompted it but I think maybe it was all the comments from trolls about how he's a hypocrite that he decided to start hating lesbians as well, as first seen in the "Boyfriend" music video.

I think this would be a good topic that should be discussed somewhere here on the CWCki, but should we include it into the homos article or should we delve into it in a separate article? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:45, 26 November 2009 (CET)
* Its more believable that he was rejected by a woman claiming truthfully or not that she was a lesbian and he suddenly realized that lesbian does not equal bisexual lesbian equal lesbian. [[User:Communist|Communist]]
** Anna McLerran made a blog post (I'm trying to dig up the link) about the difficulties of being a Mormon lesbian. So she wasn't kidding when she blew Chris off by telling him she only liked girls -- not that she or any other woman would let CWC touch her anyway. [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 14:54, 10 May 2011 (PDT)

==Sex Toys thing==

Good so far, but I edited the thing about the anal beads. I've actually ordered from AdamAndEve.com before and they generally give you a choice of a toy or a DVD. Furthermore, the toy is usually based on what you order - order a fake pussy or something like that, and you'll get something like a fake cocksucker. Order something phallic and you'll get something phallic as a free gift (i.e. order a dildo, you'll get anal beads). It's been a while since I last ordered form them (pro tip: Amazon is actually cheaper) but I do believe you can opt out. I do believe that one of Chris's dildo (not his vibrator) he actually BOUGHT because (and I'm paraphrasing his own word) it was only like $1.99 or something like that. The moar you know. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:36, 14 March 2009 (CET)

: Whoa whoa whoa, back up. Chris has a dildo AND a vibrtator? --[[User:MachPunch|MachPunch]] 19:39, 15 March 2009 (CET)
: Hes the kind of retard to not realize they do the same thing when ones turned off. [[User:Communist|Communist]]

==Asexuality==

Me and a friend (who both enjoy this wiki very much) were talking about CWC recently, and we personally think he's asexual, but trying to put up a heterosexual facade because Grown Ups Have Sex; so I added a little bit about that possibility. [[User:Needlepants|Needlepants]] 21:21, 5 August 2009 (CEST)

* The asexuality section is great. I really believe Chris is obsessed with getting laid not out of any perversion or actual sexual desire, but because it's what he believes adulthood is about. And to be honest, sexuality is a big part of being an adult, unfortunately Chris is ignoring things like interpersonal relationships, financial responsibility, work, every single other thing. tl;dr: Chris isn't a pervert or homophobe, he's just retarded.

* Alright, it seems that this article is the wrong page for the asexuality bit and that the Chris and Sex page would be a better fit for it, so I'm going to put it over there, then. [[User:Needlepants|Needlepants]] 08:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

*"''tl;dr: Chris isn't a pervert or homophobe, he's just retarded.''" Haha, what? Because drawing furfag porn,drinking his [[navy]],the infamous"''I don't know child, what with the dumb laws.''"quote regarding the fact an apparently [[Zapina|14 year old character]] couldn't be in a pornographic film, the also infamous "''I can imagine myself doing it with a collie at least. you know, like Lassie.''"quote and other things aren't signs of serious perversion at all? tl;dr being a furfag,drinking his semen,showing signs of pedophilia, and possibly accepting bestiality remove any weight the "''he's just retarded''" argument has. Even if the semen drinking, and bestiality answer could be passed off as doing things to get [[china]], it would remain that Chris became a furfag and [[pedofork]] on his own will. Oh,and I'd like to see any proof he really isn't a homophobe seeing as he fits the dictionary definition to a T.--[[User:Ror|Ror]] 05:58, 27 September 2009 (CEST)

*I consider several things, now that's it brought up. From the Chris and Sex page "then hoists himself with his own petard by claiming that Sonichu & co. are not "half-humans" but "all-animals" with human form". Also the fact that he seems to have little care for actual humans, but feel care for his hedgehogs and his dead dog. and the bestiality bits. I think Chris is Asexual to humans, or things he sees as human. He isn't a furfag, because he isn't a furry, and he ain't a furry because he's said "screw that" to anthropomorphized animals, and seems to just like (and "like") non-human animals (because like his dog, his sonichus and such like him for how he is, and don't have stupid human ideas like bathing)[[User:SenorTucan|SenorTucan]] 05:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Revelation? ==

I happened to glance at CWCikipedia's article on[http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcipedia/index.php/Dating_Education Dating Education], and I noticed something.

"It is a fact that individuals who were unable to find their opposite-gender Sweetheart or crushes and get lucky before adulthood are likely tempted to turn homo"

Apparently not getting Hanky Panky during teenaged years leads to temptations of being a homo. CWC Science Proven Fact! Anyway, would this be notable enough to put in either this article or Chris and sex, or just forget about it?--[[User:WEsKar|WEsKar]] 20:27, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

: I slipped it into the "Fear of..." section already, but it bears further expansion. This is quite the psycho-sexual revelation on Chris's part. [[User:CDiddles|CDiddles]] 20:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== "Christopher" (I guess?) faved [http://krapplekomputerkompany.com/cwc/img/1251873110513.jpg this] ==

Christopher also does [http://krapplekomputerkompany.com/cwc/img/1252025256932.jpg a lot] of other shit like that right now. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 18:32, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

==Mother's Underwear==
Does anyone know when and why he posted that picture?[[User:Skwrr|Skwrr]] 21:52, 13 October 2009 (CEST)

The picture of Chris in his mom's underwear is an older picture from '07-'08. Why he put it on and uploaded it? 1. You'll have to see the [[sports bra]] article. 2. What can we expect from someone who bows like a girl, penetrates like a girl, and collects my little ponies? 3. A troll made him do it.

--[[User:Scarletdragon|Scarletdragon]] 04:07, 15 October 2009

*It's from September 2008. Lordsillynipples posed as Blanca and "Blanca" told Chris he would leave him if he didn't wear his mother's underwear, hence why he's not wearing a shit eating grin. I swore there was an article on just those pictures but I forget what it was called. I swore that this was something Chris did before on his own (try on his mother's underwear) but apparently, I was mistaken. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:39, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

==Home Gene==
I was reading mailbag on the CWCipedia, and one 'fan' posed a question that Chris gave a rather interesting answer to. They asked how Chris was going to rehabilitate the homos after the Dating ED episode in the comic, and Chris explained how he ends up out of the time void a year after the present where scientists have isolated the genes for homo and heterosexuality. He offers his straight blood in order to create a vaccine for gayness, and will take it back to his time period. --[[User:Rye|Rye]] 6:18, 19 November 2009
** If he knew anything about how vaccines are made he would realize that you cant cure genes. that and we know what the gay gene is its the same gene that causes extreme fertility among women.

=="Chris on his alleged homosexuality" needs updating==
I am 99% positive Chris has said something denying he's a homosexual since the most recent quote on the list. We need to update it with other ones (make sure they're some variant of the existing ones, that is Chris denying he's gay and that he's STRAIGHT). --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:18, 30 November 2009 (CET)

==Heather Iglesias==
"Curiously, Chris goes out of his way to state that the children of Sonichu and Rosechu (that is, the fictional actors who portray them, and not the doubly-fictional characters themselves, if you want to add another layer of crazy to the parfait of suck that is the Sonichu series) are watched over by [[Heather Iglesias]]..."

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean; I don't remember Chris ever saying that Sonichu and Rosechu are actors. If I'm wrong, feel free to add back with a source. --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 03:41, 9 December 2009 (CET)

== Chris hates lesbians now ==

Chris dislikes the lesbians just like the homos. He said this answering a question in a recent Mailbag. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 12:02, 21 December 2009 (CET)

Srsly guys. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 10:15, 26 December 2009 (CET)

Also is there any "update needed" tag on CWCki? --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 10:16, 26 December 2009 (CET)

...also I guess I'm starting to take all this too seriously. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 10:17, 26 December 2009 (CET)
*I'm gonna make a separate article about lesbians sometime soon, titled [[Dykes Dykes China|Dykes]], since lesbians and male homosexuals don't mean exactly the same to Chris. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:33, 26 December 2009 (CET)
*An update needed tag would be handy, good thinking Sonijew. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:10, 31 December 2009 (CET)

== Chris needs to realize this. ==

Lets just say Chris finally learns to accept himself for who he is (Gay, bisexual at LEAST), ALOT of trolls would stop, because most, if not all of the trolls arent homophobic. Chris really brought this upon himself, its a classic example of a "Victim Complex". ITs kinda like how CHRIS is the one who posted the picture of sonichu on 4chan, yet he blames the site.
-[[User:CJB8895|Cody]] 12:08 AM
:I have never seen proof that Chris himself posted the picture of Sonichu on 4chan. [[User:RobGoblin|RobGoblin]] 03:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:A better comparison would be how he uploaded [[Shecameforcwc.jpg]] to [[ED]]. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 04:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== TARD LOGIC ==

Doesn't Chris realize that turning all the homos straight would decrease his risk of finding a boyfriend-free girl?
I mean if he truly wanted to have a BFG he would want all jerks to be homos--[[User:Dan Dash|Dan Dash]] 02:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that's been pointed out to him before in the Mailbag and he essentially blew that person off. Chris might be aware of this but he just doesn't seem to care (like so many other things). --[[User:GotAFish|GotAFish]] 08:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

==Phobia==
I'd just like to point out that phobia isn't a fear of X, it's an irrational fear of X. So is it okay to change the line "he is literally afraid of homosexuality..." into "he is literally , and irrationally, afraid of homosexuality..." or would this just be too silly/too much?[[User:SenorTucan|SenorTucan]] 05:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five possibilities ==

Who the fuck's bright idea was that? God damn, I let people do their own thing and I find people add shit like that. Why the hell is this there, someone tell me? You've enumerated the possibilities for ANYONE - it's pointless to point out that someone is either A or not A, if someone's A, of course he's not going to be not A. God damn.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:49, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
*In other words, this section either needs to be eliminated or possibilities narrowed down to possibilities grounded on evidence and not just every possible sexuality Chris could be in actuality.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:50, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:INVISIBLE HAND, CHAMPTHOM! INVISIBLE HAND! [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 12:36, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

==Another inconsistency==

Not that this article needs further evidence of Chris's irrational prejudice and idiocy, but, as observed [[Mailbag 5|elsewhere]], when giving advice for a pregnant woman, he said, "...NEVER EVER let your wife drink, smoke or be physically abused or hurt while she is pregnant. IF ANYTHING, such actions CAN PROVOKE homosexuality in the child," acknowledging that homosexuality is not a matter of choice.--[[User:Henry Bemis|Henry Bemis]] 13:29, 10 May 2011 (PDT)

==Chris and Pegging==
Would it be appropriate to include Chris's opinion on pegging (From the Dec 27 2008 IRC Chat) anywhere in the article or would it be too superfluous?--[[User:Cthuluology|Cthuluology]] 14:33, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
* i think that would go in the sex or sex toys sections, pegging is not actually a gay act, 'gay' is who you have sex with not how you have sex.

== Fan video ==

is it staying or going, someone make a final decision.--[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 12:28, 27 January 2012 (PST)

*I will make the final decision, and I say kill it and bury it in a shallow grave in Virginia, because no-one will miss it. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 12:26, 27 January 2012 (PST)
**On that note: "there is nothing to discuss about removing stupid images and videos that serve no purpose other than to mock and insult Chris." Yeah, there is nothing to discuss. Mocking and insulting Chris is the purpose of this wiki, idiot. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 01:32, 28 January 2012 (PST)
***No it's not you stupid inbred cunt. It's to ''document'' Chris. There are even rules in the policy saying not to outright insult Chris, because it is pointless and Chris's actions speak for themselves. You know nothing about the workings of this wiki, you're preserving cancer, you're a sperg, and your mother was a whore who didn't use protection, and now you're the world's greatest argument for bringing back eugenics. Hey, you started with the personal insults buddy. I'm just responding in turn. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 01:56, 28 January 2012 (PST)
****Ah, I remember being thirteen too. You're so cute. :) [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 09:22, 28 January 2012 (PST)

Talk:Homos

2012-01-28T09:32:40Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Fan video */

==To do==
*All of Chris's quotes asserting his heterosexuality
*Picture of Chris in his mom's underwear
*His comments against homos

==Expand to include Lesbians?==
This could be the topic of a separate article, but how would you people feel about including lesbians into this one? It's an interesting evolution of Chris's ideas. Originally, Chris was perfectly fine with lesbians, as he'd only have male homosexuals jailed and programmed whiled lesbians would be safe. Obviously, the reason why Chris likes lesbians is because they don't make him question his sexuality. I forget what exactly prompted it but I think maybe it was all the comments from trolls about how he's a hypocrite that he decided to start hating lesbians as well, as first seen in the "Boyfriend" music video.

I think this would be a good topic that should be discussed somewhere here on the CWCki, but should we include it into the homos article or should we delve into it in a separate article? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:45, 26 November 2009 (CET)
* Its more believable that he was rejected by a woman claiming truthfully or not that she was a lesbian and he suddenly realized that lesbian does not equal bisexual lesbian equal lesbian. [[User:Communist|Communist]]
** Anna McLerran made a blog post (I'm trying to dig up the link) about the difficulties of being a Mormon lesbian. So she wasn't kidding when she blew Chris off by telling him she only liked girls -- not that she or any other woman would let CWC touch her anyway. [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 14:54, 10 May 2011 (PDT)

==Sex Toys thing==

Good so far, but I edited the thing about the anal beads. I've actually ordered from AdamAndEve.com before and they generally give you a choice of a toy or a DVD. Furthermore, the toy is usually based on what you order - order a fake pussy or something like that, and you'll get something like a fake cocksucker. Order something phallic and you'll get something phallic as a free gift (i.e. order a dildo, you'll get anal beads). It's been a while since I last ordered form them (pro tip: Amazon is actually cheaper) but I do believe you can opt out. I do believe that one of Chris's dildo (not his vibrator) he actually BOUGHT because (and I'm paraphrasing his own word) it was only like $1.99 or something like that. The moar you know. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:36, 14 March 2009 (CET)

: Whoa whoa whoa, back up. Chris has a dildo AND a vibrtator? --[[User:MachPunch|MachPunch]] 19:39, 15 March 2009 (CET)
: Hes the kind of retard to not realize they do the same thing when ones turned off. [[User:Communist|Communist]]

==Asexuality==

Me and a friend (who both enjoy this wiki very much) were talking about CWC recently, and we personally think he's asexual, but trying to put up a heterosexual facade because Grown Ups Have Sex; so I added a little bit about that possibility. [[User:Needlepants|Needlepants]] 21:21, 5 August 2009 (CEST)

* The asexuality section is great. I really believe Chris is obsessed with getting laid not out of any perversion or actual sexual desire, but because it's what he believes adulthood is about. And to be honest, sexuality is a big part of being an adult, unfortunately Chris is ignoring things like interpersonal relationships, financial responsibility, work, every single other thing. tl;dr: Chris isn't a pervert or homophobe, he's just retarded.

* Alright, it seems that this article is the wrong page for the asexuality bit and that the Chris and Sex page would be a better fit for it, so I'm going to put it over there, then. [[User:Needlepants|Needlepants]] 08:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

*"''tl;dr: Chris isn't a pervert or homophobe, he's just retarded.''" Haha, what? Because drawing furfag porn,drinking his [[navy]],the infamous"''I don't know child, what with the dumb laws.''"quote regarding the fact an apparently [[Zapina|14 year old character]] couldn't be in a pornographic film, the also infamous "''I can imagine myself doing it with a collie at least. you know, like Lassie.''"quote and other things aren't signs of serious perversion at all? tl;dr being a furfag,drinking his semen,showing signs of pedophilia, and possibly accepting bestiality remove any weight the "''he's just retarded''" argument has. Even if the semen drinking, and bestiality answer could be passed off as doing things to get [[china]], it would remain that Chris became a furfag and [[pedofork]] on his own will. Oh,and I'd like to see any proof he really isn't a homophobe seeing as he fits the dictionary definition to a T.--[[User:Ror|Ror]] 05:58, 27 September 2009 (CEST)

*I consider several things, now that's it brought up. From the Chris and Sex page "then hoists himself with his own petard by claiming that Sonichu & co. are not "half-humans" but "all-animals" with human form". Also the fact that he seems to have little care for actual humans, but feel care for his hedgehogs and his dead dog. and the bestiality bits. I think Chris is Asexual to humans, or things he sees as human. He isn't a furfag, because he isn't a furry, and he ain't a furry because he's said "screw that" to anthropomorphized animals, and seems to just like (and "like") non-human animals (because like his dog, his sonichus and such like him for how he is, and don't have stupid human ideas like bathing)[[User:SenorTucan|SenorTucan]] 05:21, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Revelation? ==

I happened to glance at CWCikipedia's article on[http://cogsdev.110mb.com/cwcipedia/index.php/Dating_Education Dating Education], and I noticed something.

"It is a fact that individuals who were unable to find their opposite-gender Sweetheart or crushes and get lucky before adulthood are likely tempted to turn homo"

Apparently not getting Hanky Panky during teenaged years leads to temptations of being a homo. CWC Science Proven Fact! Anyway, would this be notable enough to put in either this article or Chris and sex, or just forget about it?--[[User:WEsKar|WEsKar]] 20:27, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

: I slipped it into the "Fear of..." section already, but it bears further expansion. This is quite the psycho-sexual revelation on Chris's part. [[User:CDiddles|CDiddles]] 20:51, 6 August 2009 (CEST)

== "Christopher" (I guess?) faved [http://krapplekomputerkompany.com/cwc/img/1251873110513.jpg this] ==

Christopher also does [http://krapplekomputerkompany.com/cwc/img/1252025256932.jpg a lot] of other shit like that right now. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 18:32, 4 September 2009 (CEST)

==Mother's Underwear==
Does anyone know when and why he posted that picture?[[User:Skwrr|Skwrr]] 21:52, 13 October 2009 (CEST)

The picture of Chris in his mom's underwear is an older picture from '07-'08. Why he put it on and uploaded it? 1. You'll have to see the [[sports bra]] article. 2. What can we expect from someone who bows like a girl, penetrates like a girl, and collects my little ponies? 3. A troll made him do it.

--[[User:Scarletdragon|Scarletdragon]] 04:07, 15 October 2009

*It's from September 2008. Lordsillynipples posed as Blanca and "Blanca" told Chris he would leave him if he didn't wear his mother's underwear, hence why he's not wearing a shit eating grin. I swore there was an article on just those pictures but I forget what it was called. I swore that this was something Chris did before on his own (try on his mother's underwear) but apparently, I was mistaken. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:39, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

==Home Gene==
I was reading mailbag on the CWCipedia, and one 'fan' posed a question that Chris gave a rather interesting answer to. They asked how Chris was going to rehabilitate the homos after the Dating ED episode in the comic, and Chris explained how he ends up out of the time void a year after the present where scientists have isolated the genes for homo and heterosexuality. He offers his straight blood in order to create a vaccine for gayness, and will take it back to his time period. --[[User:Rye|Rye]] 6:18, 19 November 2009
** If he knew anything about how vaccines are made he would realize that you cant cure genes. that and we know what the gay gene is its the same gene that causes extreme fertility among women.

=="Chris on his alleged homosexuality" needs updating==
I am 99% positive Chris has said something denying he's a homosexual since the most recent quote on the list. We need to update it with other ones (make sure they're some variant of the existing ones, that is Chris denying he's gay and that he's STRAIGHT). --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:18, 30 November 2009 (CET)

==Heather Iglesias==
"Curiously, Chris goes out of his way to state that the children of Sonichu and Rosechu (that is, the fictional actors who portray them, and not the doubly-fictional characters themselves, if you want to add another layer of crazy to the parfait of suck that is the Sonichu series) are watched over by [[Heather Iglesias]]..."

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean; I don't remember Chris ever saying that Sonichu and Rosechu are actors. If I'm wrong, feel free to add back with a source. --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 03:41, 9 December 2009 (CET)

== Chris hates lesbians now ==

Chris dislikes the lesbians just like the homos. He said this answering a question in a recent Mailbag. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 12:02, 21 December 2009 (CET)

Srsly guys. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 10:15, 26 December 2009 (CET)

Also is there any "update needed" tag on CWCki? --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 10:16, 26 December 2009 (CET)

...also I guess I'm starting to take all this too seriously. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 10:17, 26 December 2009 (CET)
*I'm gonna make a separate article about lesbians sometime soon, titled [[Dykes Dykes China|Dykes]], since lesbians and male homosexuals don't mean exactly the same to Chris. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:33, 26 December 2009 (CET)
*An update needed tag would be handy, good thinking Sonijew. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:10, 31 December 2009 (CET)

== Chris needs to realize this. ==

Lets just say Chris finally learns to accept himself for who he is (Gay, bisexual at LEAST), ALOT of trolls would stop, because most, if not all of the trolls arent homophobic. Chris really brought this upon himself, its a classic example of a "Victim Complex". ITs kinda like how CHRIS is the one who posted the picture of sonichu on 4chan, yet he blames the site.
-[[User:CJB8895|Cody]] 12:08 AM
:I have never seen proof that Chris himself posted the picture of Sonichu on 4chan. [[User:RobGoblin|RobGoblin]] 03:49, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:A better comparison would be how he uploaded [[Shecameforcwc.jpg]] to [[ED]]. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 04:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

== TARD LOGIC ==

Doesn't Chris realize that turning all the homos straight would decrease his risk of finding a boyfriend-free girl?
I mean if he truly wanted to have a BFG he would want all jerks to be homos--[[User:Dan Dash|Dan Dash]] 02:20, 22 May 2010 (UTC)
:I think that's been pointed out to him before in the Mailbag and he essentially blew that person off. Chris might be aware of this but he just doesn't seem to care (like so many other things). --[[User:GotAFish|GotAFish]] 08:54, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

==Phobia==
I'd just like to point out that phobia isn't a fear of X, it's an irrational fear of X. So is it okay to change the line "he is literally afraid of homosexuality..." into "he is literally , and irrationally, afraid of homosexuality..." or would this just be too silly/too much?[[User:SenorTucan|SenorTucan]] 05:10, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

== Five possibilities ==

Who the fuck's bright idea was that? God damn, I let people do their own thing and I find people add shit like that. Why the hell is this there, someone tell me? You've enumerated the possibilities for ANYONE - it's pointless to point out that someone is either A or not A, if someone's A, of course he's not going to be not A. God damn.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:49, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
*In other words, this section either needs to be eliminated or possibilities narrowed down to possibilities grounded on evidence and not just every possible sexuality Chris could be in actuality.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:50, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:INVISIBLE HAND, CHAMPTHOM! INVISIBLE HAND! [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 12:36, 12 October 2010 (PDT)

==Another inconsistency==

Not that this article needs further evidence of Chris's irrational prejudice and idiocy, but, as observed [[Mailbag 5|elsewhere]], when giving advice for a pregnant woman, he said, "...NEVER EVER let your wife drink, smoke or be physically abused or hurt while she is pregnant. IF ANYTHING, such actions CAN PROVOKE homosexuality in the child," acknowledging that homosexuality is not a matter of choice.--[[User:Henry Bemis|Henry Bemis]] 13:29, 10 May 2011 (PDT)

==Chris and Pegging==
Would it be appropriate to include Chris's opinion on pegging (From the Dec 27 2008 IRC Chat) anywhere in the article or would it be too superfluous?--[[User:Cthuluology|Cthuluology]] 14:33, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
* i think that would go in the sex or sex toys sections, pegging is not actually a gay act, 'gay' is who you have sex with not how you have sex.

== Fan video ==

is it staying or going, someone make a final decision.--[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 12:28, 27 January 2012 (PST)

*I will make the final decision, and I say kill it and bury it in a shallow grave in Virginia, because no-one will miss it. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 12:26, 27 January 2012 (PST)

**On that note: "there is nothing to discuss about removing stupid images and videos that serve no purpose other than to mock and insult Chris." Yeah, there is nothing to discuss. Mocking and insulting Chris is the purpose of this wiki, idiot. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 01:32, 28 January 2012 (PST)

The Simpsons

2012-01-28T09:26:25Z

Ted Van Gruder: Undo revision 155955 by Cleftpalete (talk) CHRIS IS SERIOUS BUSINESS STOP WITH YOUR NONSENSE KIDS jesus fuck off

[[Image:DorkyExpression.jpg|thumb|Chris rips off Homer's catchphrase.]]

'''''The Simpsons''''' is a cartoon about an extremely dysfunctional family, their daily life, and their various wacky adventures. In its early years, the show was considered one of the greatest TV shows of all time, but over the years the quality has degenerated, with ridiculous storylines and token celebrity appearances now the order of the day.

Of course, like all mediocre cartoons, [[Chris]] loves it, although not as much as he loves its sub-par rip-off, ''[[Family Guy]]''.

It goes without saying that the cutting [[parody|satire]] that has characterized the show (at least in its golden years) goes over Chris's head.

==The show and Chris==

[[File:0106-ChristianWDad.jpg|thumb|They would later have their own [[Bob Walks In|family bonding]]...]]

Chris has ripped off or referenced the Simpsons many times in his life. Specifically:

*In the [[You_know_what,_I_HATE_ME_TOO!!!|gallery of fail]] Chris added to his own [[Encyclopedia_Dramatica|Encyclopedia Dramatica article]] in March 2008, Chris tried to show some humility by having himself rip off Homer's catchphrase, seen right.
*Chris video'd himself [[What%27s_the_Name,_Christian_Chandler,_C_H_R_I_S_C_H_A_N|singing his own version of the Mr. Plow remix]] that featured in a recent ''The Simpsons'' 20th anniversary special.
*When Chris finally [[Long_Island_Iced_Tea#Grip_.27n.27_Sip|decided to drink alcohol]], his drink of choice was the [[wikipedia:Long_Island_Iced_Tea|Long Island Iced Tea]], influenced by [[wikipedia:The_Great_Money_Caper|an episode where Marge Simpson drank one]].
*The [[Secret Weapon]] video that at times Chris laughs like [[Wikipedia:Nelson Muntz|Nelson Muntz]], a character of the series known for his signature "Ha-ha!" laugh.
*Chris also seems to have lifted the idea of a second Valentine's Day called "[[Christian_Love_Day#Christian_Love_Day|Love Day]]" from the episode "[[wikipedia:Trash_of_the_Titans|Trash of the Titans]]." Of course, Chris missed the point that the holiday was an artificial one born out of [[Ego#Materialism|greed and selfishness]] rather than love, and also that the very people who created it thought it sounded stupid when they said the name should be, "like 'Love Day,' only not so lame."
*Many trolls have also noticed [[Sandy Rosechu]]'s similarities to [[Wikipedia:Lisa Simpson|Lisa Simpson]], as both have spiky hair and are said to be child prodigies. The difference is that Lisa isn't a bastard child born from an egg, and she has a personality.
*In the [[Common_Questions#28_December_2009|Common Questions]] section of the [[CWCipedia]], Chris was called out on blatantly stealing jokes from many other shows. Chris justified himself by saying that "''Like [[Family Guy]], Simpsons, [[Excel Saga]], and even [[South Park]], taking jokes is of acceptable practice; it works when the author is short on original jokes, and wants to fill in a good one. Everybody does it. "[[wikipedia:Simpsons_Already_Did_It|Simpsons]] [[South_Park|Did It]]."''"
*In [[Sonichu 8|''Sonichu'' #8]], erotic artwork of Marge Simpson can be seen on the 63rd floor.
*In [[Mumble 4]], Chris compared his life to Homer Simpson while arguing with Clyde Cash (and doing an impersonation of Homer).
*Chris downloaded ''[[wikipedia:The_Simpsons_Game|The Simpsons Game]]'' on the [[List_of_Chris's_games|PS3]].
*In [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris "created" Constable Lou who may be connected to Sergeant Lou.
*In the [[Chris_dispels_videogame_rumors#cite_ref-0s|Chris dispels videogame rumors]] video, Chris stole a joke from [[Wikipedia#Sideshow Bob|Sideshow Bob]], butchered it horribly, and referenced it so far out of context that it made no sense to almost anybody.
*In the [[Jackie]] saga, Chris decided to [[100 2277|cosplay Homer Simpson wearing Fred Flintstone's shirt]].
*Chris's affinity for [[muscle bra]]s can also be attributed to a bit in the episode "[[Wikipedia:Days of Wine and D'oh'ses|Days of Wine and D'oh'ses]]" in which Homer finds one in a dumpster and comments "All I know is that, finally, I am getting the support I need."

==Vocal impressions==
[[Image:HomerFacepalm.jpg|thumb|100 px|Homer reacting to the impressions.]]
In [[BlueSpike_PSN_Chat_3.5|BlueSpike's PSN Chat v3.5]], Chris attempts (very poorly) some impressions of various Simpsons characters (specifically Mr Burns, Homer, Marge and Maggie). He would do the same in [[Mumble 7]], impersonating Homer and Bender; in an eerie bit of foreshadowing, Chris's Homer and Bender voices [[BlueSpike|sound exactly the same]] but Chris doesn't notice.

==Marge poster==
[[File:Sexy Flanders.jpg|thumb|What Chris thinks of when he sees the Marge poster.]]
[[Image:MargePoster.jpg|left|thumb|The picture of a married woman [[Chris and religion#Concept of sin|Chris faps to]].]]

Recently, it seems that the centerfold poster of [http://www.thehollywoodgossip.com/2009/10/marge-simpson-playboy-photos-revealed/ Marge's ''Playboy'' magazine] has become one of Chris's many defenses against becoming a [[homos#Defenses against becoming homo|homo]].

Interestingly enough, there were two potential choices for him to pin on his wall; the first was a coy, innocent picture of Marge undressing (breasts visible but nipples concealed), the shadow of an eager Homer projected onto the rear wall, with Marge making eye contact with her husband.

The second was of Marge wearing a see-through dress, looking directly at the camera and offering [[obesity|donuts]] to the viewer. Chris, ever classy, picked the one that has the most visible [[Plush Breasts|breasts]] and rejected the one that even had the shadow of a [[jerk|man]] on it (especially since Marge was looking at Homer, and not [[Chris|the camera]]).

Marge, of course, is a married woman. Not that this would [[Kacey|stop Chris... or even slow him down.]]

==External links==
*[[Wikipedia:The Simpsons|''The Simpsons'']] at [[Wikipedia]]

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Dating profiles

2012-01-28T09:24:05Z

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Chris has created a number of profiles for dating websites over the years. Like everything else Chris does, these endeavors are usually made of pure fail.

==Match.com==
{{main|Match.com}}

Chris's Match.com profile is his oldest online personal ad, dating back to when he still attended [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]], hung out at [[The Game Place]], and wasn't quite so corpulent and maladjusted as he would eventually become. It appears to have been just as ineffective as all of the others, though.

==OKCupid==
[[File:Online_dating_expectations.jpg|thumb|right|What's really happening.]]
{{main|OkCupid}}

OkCupid is one of the more popular dating websites, and matches people based on how they respond to questions that they may answer at their leisure. Unlike sites such as Match.com, OkCupid allows users to message and search each other for free, only charging for perks like ad removal and unlimited inbox space. The ability to stalk thousands of internet girls without paying a dime must have been a very attractive prospect for Chris.

Chris created his first OkCupid profile in late [[February 2009]]. He gave up on it very quickly — his final login was in early [[March 2009|March]], and he never answered any of the questions or quizzes that the site uses to build a personality profile of each user. It's likely he quit using it after girls failed to flood his inbox with offers of True and Honest [[China|love]]. In the usual Chris style, the profile is woefully incomplete, featuring only a very brief personal summary, and a looking-for box in which he checked every available option, including "casual sex."

A bit later, in [[April 2009]], Chris created a second profile, which gradually evolved into something many, many times worse.

==Book of Matches==
[[File:BookOfMatchProfile.jpg|thumb|Screenshot of Chris's BoM page.]]

It's unclear when Chris made this profile, but given his stated age, it probably was made around late 2008 or early 2009, around the same time as his first [[The Hook Cafe|''The HooK'' Café]] ad. While the staples of half-assery are still present, it's clear Chris spent more time on this page then he did on his OKCupid profile. Many of the statements here are just repetitions of the Chris-chan facts we all know and love, though: his fantasy of a daughter named Crystal, McDonald's as a first date, and so on. [[Honest Content|True and Honest]], perhaps, but hardly a way to impress babes. Chris also seems to believe that citing ''[[Mary Poppins]]'' as the greatest movie ever will somehow have a positive effect on the ladies.

===Profile Text===
'''If you like me, find me In Person, and let me know.'''

*Charlottesville, Virginia
*Response Rate: 0%
*Above average
*[[Ego|Sensually hot]]
*Pisces
*Caucasian
*M
*26 years of age
*5'9 - 5'10
*Single
*Artsy Gamer
*Here For Long Term Relationship

'''Things that have bothered me:'''
 When they are false [[Megan|friends]]; when they would just dump me after [[shecameforcwc.jpg|one mistake]], or something as dumb.
 '''I am looking for:'''
 In a nutshell, 18-years to my current age, Caring, Smoke-Free, Non-Alcholic, white and Boyfriend-Free.
 '''Cool Movies:'''
 Of all time, Mary Poppins.
 '''My Favorite Groups are:'''
 All kinds; classic, jazz, country, pop, rock, etc.
 '''I am looking for a personality like:'''
 I'm not certain, but as long as the woman likes me for me, and will stay by and care about me, all things considered, I'll feel better. I feel that I am a good listener, and I can make her laugh and/or feel good (but then again, it depends on her point of view).
 '''Willingness to meet others from boM:'''
 I am willing to meet WOMEN from this service, as long as they live within the Ruckersville or Charlottesville, VA area, and if they currently do not have (or preferably never had) a Boyfriend.
 '''Are you ready to start from scratch?'''
 I WANT to start a relationship [[Sweetheart from the Ground-Up|from the Ground-Up]]. I may have a few things already [[Sex toys|put behind me]], but I will make it a point to keep [[Homos|those]] [[Racism|issues]] out of the way of current or future issues. I am to be continued.
 '''My typical day:'''
 Personally, I have never been on a date before in my life. But for my first date, I'd keep it simple with a beverage (or shared meal) at [[McDonalds]], or similar resteraunt.
 '''My Wish List Includes:'''
 I dream of getting married, and having a daughter named [[Crystal]].

==''The HooK'' Café==
{{main|The Hook Cafe}}

Chris has put up at least two personal ads on the website of his local alternative weekly paper. One, dating to around the beginning of [[2009]], was hacked before its contents could be preserved for posterity. The second, however, found in [[April 2010]], was successfully mirrored by the CWCki. A few days after it was initially discovered, the ad mysteriously disappeared (and was completely deleted from the site, unlike Chris's first ad, which he simply hid from public view after regaining access to it).

==External links==
*[http://www.bookofmatches.com/profile/page/SONICHU.htm Chris's Book of Matches profile]
*[http://www.match.com/profile/showprofile.aspx?lid=1000005&TP=U&Handle=SonichuCWC&uid=p6pWeNyd69Zt4vDF/badgQ== Chris's Match.com profile]
*[http://www.okcupid.com/profile/CWCSONICHU Chris's OKCupid profile]

{{The Internet}}
[[Category:Love Quest]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Heart level

2012-01-28T09:22:51Z

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[[Image:145-ShatteredHeart.jpg|thumb|right|This happens all the time.]]

{{quote|100% Change the number to change your heart level and you can write a sentence to indicate how you feel.|[[CWCipedia]] template, describing how Chris felt in [[August 2009]].}}

{{quote|Actually, it is Moderate and Stable at the moment.|Chris, 17 [[May 2010]]}}

'''Heart level''' is Chris's measure of his emotional state. Because Chris has spent his life playing [[video games]] instead of socializing with actual people, he is only able to express his emotions in video game-inspired terms. It first appeared in [[Sonichu 1|Sub-Episode #2: "The Rise & Fall of My Heart"]] (where it hit its lowest recorded level, 15%) but he uses the term in general conversation as well.

Chris uses the word "shattered" [[Chris and English#Repetition|exclusively]] to describe his perpetually wounded heart level. He has never even used the more common expression, "broken heart".

Heart level was also helpfully displayed on [[CWCipedia]] front page, as a diabolical variation of [[wikipedia:Template_talk:Wstress3d|Wikipedia's stress meters]]. Well...it ''would'' have been a diabolical variation, but apparently Chris was too lazy to change it, making it merely slightly lame. Despite leaving an obvious default placeholder message on the front page, he still felt comfortable showing this fantastic website to potential investors/employers.<ref>[[CWC Public Disclaimer]]</ref>

==References by Chris==
[[Image:heartlevel0.png|thumb|left|Artist's depiction of a critically low heart level.]]
*In [[August 2004]], Chris drew his shattered heart as a trap card for his home made ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' cards, as seen above. It would later reside with the others on the [[Wall of Originals]].
*[[CWC's Diary]] includes similar remarks on the Walsh encounter: "I am very devastated, due to my SHATTERED HEART that XXXXX caused unto me!"
*[[Sub-Episode 2|Sub-Episode #2]], finished in April [[2005]], features the illustrated heart level as part of Chris's tale of his ill-fated date with [[Hanna]].
*''[[Sonichu's News Dash]]'' includes a couple of complaints about heart-shattering in relation to the Walsh and Hanna incidents.
*The August [[2006]] updates to Chris's [[Story of My Current Days]] talk about the fluctuating level of Chris's shattered heart in the section covering the Hanna date. The same document also has a memorable remark on Mary Lee Walsh's destruction of the [[Attraction Sign]]: "IT WAS SERIOUS HEART-SHATTERING INSULTS LIKE THAT WHICH LITERALLY SHATTERED MY HEART TO ALMOST NOTHING AND MURDERED MY SOUL!"
*A 2007 [[Megan_Emails,_Aug-Dec_2007#Shit_hits_the_fan.2C_Chris_confesses_his_love|e-mail to Megan]] surely didn't creep her out in the slightest: "If I lost you...it would TOTALLY SHATTER my heart, my soul, my being."
*In a [[Facebook messages|Facebook message]] from January [[2008]], Chris bills himself as "Christian W. Chandler, a lonely Autistic, heart-shattered sap."
*Another Facebook message of January 2008 says "My heart is recovering very slowly; it's at like 15% [...] The lonliness hurts the remaining 85% of my heart sadly."
*On his [[User:ChrisChanSonichu_profile#Enter_the_Wicked_Witch_of_the_Private_Villa_of_Corrupted_Citizens|Wikipedia userpage]], in its account of his feud with Mary Lee Walsh, Chris complains that "MY HEART WAS SHATTERED that very moment."
*[[C.W.C. - Thank You :)]], a curious video from the midst of the [[Liquid Chris]] fiasco, includes an apology to Mary Lee Walsh. Among other things, Chris says, "I forgive you for your misdeed of Heart-Shattering."
*Despite this, in his 2010 posts on the [[Sonichu_Forum#Chris_is_literally_a_filthy_liar|Sonichu Forum]], Chris was hung up on Walsh's shattering of his heart.
*After the CWCipedia was vandalized by [[trolls]] in [[May 2010]], Chris added the above quote to the heart level template on the front page while reverting troll vandalism.

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
Image:Heartzero.jpg|0%
Image:Heart15.jpg|15%
Image:Heart20.jpg|20%
Image:Heart100.jpg|100%
</gallery></center>

==See also==
*[[Scale of Respect]]
*[[Third date]]
*[[CWCipedia]]
*[[Mary Lee Walsh]]
*[[Hanna]]

==References==
<references/>

{{CWC-isms}}

[[Category:CWC-isms]]

Fangs

2012-01-28T09:22:11Z

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[[Image:SHOW MAH FANGS!.jpg|center]]
He has them and isn't [[Captain's Log, Stardate January 8th, 2009|afraid to show them]].

==The horror==
Originally assumed to be yellowish as a result of poor [[PSEye|video quality]], Chris's '''fangs''' are more likely yellowing as a result of the copious amounts of [[obesity|soda]] he drinks.<ref>[[Biological clock]]</ref> The fact that he has [[Chris and health#Dental health|multiple visible cavities]] seems to support this, although Chris could just be far too lazy to brush his teeth. What is certain is that the inside of his mouth is even more horrifying than the outside.

==Powers==
[[File:Fangs.png|thumb|THIS IS WHAT CHRIS ACTUALLY BELIEVES]]
Chris revealed his fangs by essentially jamming the camera in his mouth. For some reason he thinks this is an effective method of intimidating his [[Trolls|enemy]]. It works, but for reasons other than Chris had intended. [[The Creepy Stare|Close-ups of Chris's face]] have always caused people to back away in horror. His mouth is no exception. What he intended to demonstrate is uncertain. Perhaps he hoped his tormentors would fear being bitten. Though this scenario has yet to take place, the resulting wound would no doubt [[Chris and health|get infected]] and bestow the recipient with a [[autism|horrifying disease]]. So in that respect, they are kind of scary. Or would be if he weren't too housebound to use them.

Interestingly enough, Chris doesn't actually appear to have any [[wikipedia:Canine tooth|canine]] (also called cuspid) teeth (called "eye-teeth" by Chris<ref>[http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Issue_10/Page_18 Issue 10 Page 18] "I HAVE FANGS FOR MY EYE-TEETH"</ref>). Therefore, the whole threat of his fangs are, once again, an enormous [[fail]]ure.

Chris has since upgraded his arsenal to a [[pocket knife]].

==Wisdom teeth==
Chris has had an operation to remove his wisdom teeth. He keeps them in a jar on top of the [[Megan Shrine]] and also made a ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' card with them on it. Being the [[Autistic|bizarre]] narcissist that he is, Chris feels the need to immortalize any significant event in his life in some way, be it through short story, comic adaptation, or even custom trading cards. The fact that he finds his removed teeth important enough to think that they would be worth adding to a child's card game says a lot about how rarely Chris leaves his house.

==Appearances==

{{Incomplete}}

* '''[[Captain's Log, Stardate January_8th, 2009]]:''' In this video, Chris states he is not afraid to intimidate [[Gregg Mays]] with his "fangs." He then leans toward the camera for a close-up of his upper teeth - in particular, his two front teeth.

* '''[[Captain's Log, Stardate January_15th, 2009]]:''' Chris does not clearly show his "fangs" in this video, but rather mentions how he is prepared to show his "faaannngggsss [[Chris and Anger|only when he has to]]." He starts to lean forward into the camera while presumably baring his teeth (one cannot clearly see the teeth as the video quality is so poor), but he then swings back to his original posture instead of going for a full close-up.

* '''[[Sign Destruction Video]]:''' On the 6th of December 2009, Chris threatens [[Vivian Gee|Vivian Gee]] by ripping apart a paper sign left in his yard, and then bites his [[Clown Doll|clown's]] head off with his infected gums. He exposes his yellowed and rotting teeth to the audience, undoubtedly to show off his sugar-encrusted enamel.

==Gallery==
<center>
<gallery>
Image:0731-Megan Shrine1.JPG|CWC's wisdom teeth seen here guarded by two [[My Little Pony]]s on the top shelf.
Image:151-WisdomTeeth.jpg|So...are the discarded cards wisdom teeth, or…something?
Image:ChrisCavities.JPG|He's not even afraid to show the gaping cavities at the back of his mouth. Now that's [[honest content]]!
</gallery>
</center>

== Sources ==
<references/>

==See also==
* [[Chris and Anger]]

{{CWC-isms}}

[[Category:Physical characteristics]]
[[Category:CWC-isms]]

Talk:Chris and religion

2012-01-22T15:27:58Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Works or Faith */

==Do something about Romans==
It's a nice quote but it's too big. I tried incorporating it into the article but it didn't look very good, something should be done with it to make the quotes section a bit smaller. --[[User:Thorgnzorrg|Thorgnzorrg]] 18:11, 23 August 2010 (PDT)

==To do==
*Chris's warped version of Christianity (homosexuality = bad, lesbianism = good, sex before marriage = okay).
*his twisted double standard of morality (anyone else lies = "vicious lies and slander", Chris outright lies = "half-truths"; also how Adam Stackhouse cheating = bad, Chris cheating = okay).
*God's influence on his dreams
*how Chris is guilty of all seven deadly sins

==God is a Troll==

If we assume God exists and it was God who talked to Chris could it be argued that God is trolling chris as well?

==Split==
I'll entertain the motion of splitting off GodJesus into its own page, since Chris has invoked God specifically in much of his work, which can be considered a separate thing to how Chris views religion, in addition to GodJesus being in the comic and a popular meme amongst trolls. We can document all the times Chris has invoked GodJesus in various media.

Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 12:07, 2 September 2009 (CEST)

I guess go on. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 11:11, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

That could actually be really funny, thinking about it. Go for it! --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 18:36, 30 October 2009 (CET)

Sounds like a good plan. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 23:55, 3 December 2009 (CET)

I don't know why no-one ever followed through on this idea. I'd just like to say I support this if the topic is still open. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Seven Deadly Sins==
The seven deadly sins aren't really 7 specific sins so much as seven categories that cover all sins. In other words, every wrongdoing is motivated, in one way or another By Greed, Sloth, Lust, Pride, Wrath, Gluttony, or Envy. So whether it's lying to save face (pride) raging against guys with girlfriends (Wrath, Lust, Envy) or basically anything else Chris does at all, it all goes back to one of the deadly sins.

That said, I doubt there's any need to actually include that in the article. Making this whole paragraph moot, I guess. whatever.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:38, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

:Apparently someone doesn't like the Seven Deadly sins portion of this page much at all. Does the article really need it? I mean, all it does it repeat the point that Chris wallows in wrongdoing. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 19:20, 19 November 2009 (CET)

::Eh, I vote we leave it in. They're a fundamental part of certain sects of Christianity, and it's an interesting analysis. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

===10 Commandments===
Now that's better. I'm half-tempted to delete the 7 deadly sins part completely now that we have this. To whoever wrote it, you're awesome. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 03:28, 11 December 2009 (CET)

Thanks. :^D [[User:Tyranogre|Tyranogre]] 06:04, 11 December 2009 (CET)

In the "Honor thy father and thy mother": part of the 10 Commandments it says that Chris called his father a bastard once and links to "Bob Walks In Aftermath". Having read it though it sounds to me like he could have been calling the troll a bastard and not his father. Any thoughts? [[User:Lunachu|Lunachu]] 19:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

===Levitical Laws===
Also, Saint Paul making a new Covenant; tehcnically, he doesn't have that authority, plus the mythology has Jesus saying in Mattew 5:17-19 http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/5.html#17 that all Old Testament laws still apply.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 02:06, 21 November 2010 (PST)

==Possession?==

christfag here i believe chris might be possessed or demonically oppressed having cast demons out of people before he acts very similar to them [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 17:31, 20 November 2009 (CET)

of course if this is true and if some one at his church has half a brain and recognizes this expect the saga to be over very quickly
(this is just a theory after all) [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 17:36, 20 November 2009 (CET)

:I'm also a Christian, but I really don't think there's much evidence here for demonic possession. Chris strikes me as just a terrible person on the whole, not a terrible person the devil is controlling.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 17:56, 20 November 2009 (CET)

::The devil is wasting his time if he's controlling Chris. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 18:54, 20 November 2009 (CET)

but if he is truly born again then he can't be possessed only oppressed [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 15:32, 21 November 2009 (CET)

the only reason i started thinking about this was when in one of the many chats he mentions how he hears things like "chris is gay" [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 04:16, 22 November 2009 (CET)

:I think that's more a case of self-denial or possible schizophrenia. No need to insert something silly like "demonic possession". Of course, maybe I'm a little biased against the idea, being atheist, but the symptoms are also right in line with the possibilities I mentioned, and my suggestions are things we actually know to exist, rather than a (fairly archaic) religious mere. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

==Other Religions?==

Should we document Chris's opinions on religions other than his own? Unfortunately, there's not much to go by, save a few Mumble chats and recent mailbag responses, but he seems tolerant of other people's beliefs (although this could be attributed to his willing ignorance of everything outside Virginia). --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 00:00, 4 December 2009 (CET)

Thanks, Dkaien. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 21:35, 4 December 2009 (CET)
:*That's definitely going to be hard since Chris is unfamiliar with any non-Christian religion. Hell, he doesn't really know the difference between Catholics and Protestants. {{unsigned|AntonImausMk2}}

Chris said in [[Mailbag 21#In which Chris receives a letter from the son of God|the mailbag]] that he agrees with all of Fred Nile's views, and Fred Nile is apparently quite anti-Muslim. Make of that what you will. --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 07:51, 21 December 2009 (CET)

== Source? ==

Has Chris ever actually been asked why he believes that there is pain and suffering if there is a loving God? The page suggests he has, but I can't find any source for it. --[[User:Mekka|Mekka]] 03:22, 15 December 2009 (CET)

== Reincarnation ==

[[Mailbag 21#Chris gets a call from the doctor|Right here]].

Chris's religion is now basically just a mishmash of every faith he's ever heard of, with a good helping of shit he just plain made up.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 07:20, 21 December 2009 (CET)

== Afterlife ==

So I wrote a little bit about Chris's stance on the hereafter, and how it really doesn't have anything in common with Christianity. I just kinda tacked it onto the end of GodJesus, because I couldn't really think of anywhere else it would fit properly.

Pretty much the entire idea of Christianity is that Jesus saves, and that it's impossible to save ourselves no matter how many good deeds we do. It's weird, considering he bases so much of his identity on it, but Chris really isn't a Christian at all.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 08:26, 3 January 2010 (CET)

I think it's possible that he actually doesn't give a damn about Christianity; and that he follows it for his own personal gain. If he ignores most of what Christians believe, and how he's selfish as fuck when it comes to referencing GODJEBUS (Like that time he mentioned how God would send the trolls to hell if they didn't listen to him, for example) then I would assume that Chris really doesn't care much

Here's a thought: What if Christianity turned out to be right, and after he dies, Chris went to hell? Can you imagine his reaction? Oh the hilarity. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I promise you he would say God is trolling him and then bore Satan with his comics. [[User:Admiral Klank|Admiral Klank]] 01:09, 19 September 2010 (PDT)

== Issue 10 page 48 ==

So, we have a hedgehog kneeling in prayer before some sort of altar, a stone rolling away from a tomb by itself, and hyper Sonichu, in a church window, assuming the pose Christ had when he died on the cross. Chris just made Jesus Christ an orange Homophobic hedgehog. I'll try and add this to the main article when I'm done raging, because honestly, this is blasphemy on levels I didn't think Chris was capable of.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I just saw this and... like they say: you think you've seen Chris hit the lowest, then he ends up outdoing himself.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 06:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
** The worst part is that that page is stained with something-or-other. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
** I added a bit about Sonichu's apparent new Messianic role, feel free to add/edit/delete if you think it sucks, as up to this point my edits have been mostly minor typo corrections [[User:Magic8Ball|Magic8Ball]] 12:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
***You done good Magic8Ball. You done good.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 23:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

== Satanism Comparison? ==

Or would Chris the Shaman cover most of the satanic-like things he's done, especially that fucked up attempt to brainwash us into hating Asperchu instead of Sonichu? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 00:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:*Please remember that we are talking about Chris here. He's pulling tons of stuff out without a hint of afterthought. At worst, he will ask pardon to GosJesus and everything will be well since he's forgiven. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think Chris the shaman covers it well enough. Also, the whole Backmasking thing was really more of a failed attempt at a subliminal message than a cry to Satan.
:::Of course, we should still call it a satanic message because that's funnier.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 23:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Editing the Jackie e-mails right now, groups 16-17, Jackie makes multiple good points on how Chris is, in fact, exactly how a Satanist would act.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 02:02, 21 November 2010 (PST)

==Works or Faith==

To be accurate, the Bible is pretty contradictory on faith saving you alone or the works saving you, and many Christians believe the concept of faith alone to be Satanic. So maybe the Christians Chris is around believe that. [[User:JamieTyler|JamieTyler]] 22:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:This is correct. "Protestant theology explicitly states that the salvation of one's soul is based completely on one's faith" is nothing like true and only people like Jack Chick are crazy enough to take it to its logical conclusion (that it's fine and just for Eyebrows McRapington to confess and accept Jesus one second before he dies and go to heaven, while a man who spends his entire life being a perfect human being but doesn't accept Jesus gets tossed into a fiery pit). James 2 is all about how "faith without works is dead" and Rev 20:13 says that in the end the dead will be "judged every man according to their works." The apologists will say these are works ''of faith'', but that still means you have to actually do shit rather than just believe. Fact is, Paul (whose letters form a good chunk of the New Testament) believed salvation was by faith alone, James believed it was by faith and good works and John the Divine seems to have thought it was works alone.

:Granted, Chris' "works not faith" attitude doesn't apply to certain brands of Christianity, but there's plenty who share that belief; for example, because it deals with the thorny problem of almost everyone who has ever lived going to hell no matter how good they were as people. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 07:18, 22 January 2012 (PST)

==The phrase "GodJesus"==

Is [[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions|this]] the only time Chris has used it? Was it a one-off like [[niggo]] or [[pedofork]]?{{unsigned|Liquid!}}
*1) please sign your comments (it's four ~ in a row), 2) lots of things Chris says are one off, but they stick to trolls because they find them amusing. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[The Simpsons]] ==
An odd little coincidence here; I was watching a Simpsons haloween special recently. They're called Treehouse of Horror episodes. They do these non canonical horror stories. Theres one in particular that sees homer killing celebrities for money from advertisement firms. It makes more sense in context. Well it ends with the celebrities coming down from heaven and trying to kill Homer, and before they kill himm he asks what the one true faith is, to which Krusty the Klown replies 'Its a combination of [[Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha|Voodoo]] and Methodist.' Worth mentioning or not? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 17:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:* I think it's pure coincidence. I have yet heard Chris call himself a Methodism or any relation with Voodoo. If he mention it in the future, the comment would be added. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 18:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::*His current church is Methodist. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 19:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::* Good, we are half-way there. At the second he mention Voodoo, the info will fit in the article. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 19:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::*[[Chris_and_religion#Chris_the_Shaman|"Despite his professed Christianity, Chris's beliefs and behaviors almost tend towards a sort of shamanistic mindset, where God is a force to be controlled; and the universe can be influenced by various mystic rituals."]] --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 20:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::* Nice link but as long as Chris don't use the term "VooDoo" or make a direct allusion to the said scene, there's no ground to add it on the article. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 20:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Trinity vs. GodJesus ==

Trinitarianism refers to three personas in one being. The Father (Jehovah) is not the same as the Son (Jesus), but both are personas of God. Nor is the holy spirit the same as the Father or Son, but it too is a persona of God. In the past, when explaining the Trinity concept, I've drawn an analogy to one person with three user accounts on a computer. Chris's "GodJesus" could be thought of as not unlike the Trinity, except that the holy spirit isn't regarded as a persona. Am I right? --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] 17:41, 19 June 2011 (PDT)

== Different approach? ==

Seems pretty pointless trying to interpret Chris's beliefs in terms of Christianity, or pointing out that his beliefs contradict Christianity, since we all know anyway that he just believes whatever he finds convenient or appealing at the time.

It makes more sense imo to just have this page as a reference on all his prejudices and beliefs concerning the various religions, as well as his interactions with their various institutions. Then we can treat his own religious beliefs as a separate beast, either at another page or a section in this page.

I'd be happy to do the work if this idea gets the thumbs up. --[[User:Corezzio|Corezzio]] 20:55, 20 June 2011 (PDT)
*The thing is, Chris claims to be a devout Christian and frequently invokes Christianity for various reasons. This is more "Chris and ''his'' religion" than Chris and religion in general. I think with any "Chris and" article, it needs to be considered a possible subsection of the [[Christian Weston Chandler]] page - that is, this could easily be one, very large section of that article, but obviously we have a separate page so we can go more in-depth. But if it was part of that page, then we'd be focusing on Chris and his religion, would we not? Someone who would be reading that article would try to get an understanding of Chris's religion, which I think is rightly the focus of this article. In other words, people reading the article will want to know "What are Chris's religious beliefs?" rather than "How has Chris interacted with organized religions?" The former gives us some worldview behind Chris's thought process, the later is more sperg fodder (and I avoid using the term - not to say that one is a sperg if they want to know how Chris has interacted with other religions, merely that one is more likely interested in someone's beliefs that are religious rather than opinions on religious institutions).

:Yes, Chris's beliefs are self serving in many ways but he identifies with Christianity and I think it makes sense to use that as a lens for the page. Furthermore, we have more documentation of him interacting with Christianity than other religions, so that's another reason why Christianity is so predominant.

:Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you had in mind but these are my thoughts based on what I think you're getting at.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:11, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

==Is it necessary?==
I was considering adding Dante Alighieri's circles of hell. But a huge part of the article is listing Chris' sins. Would it be beating a dead horse to do it? Especially since seven of the circles are essentially the seven deadly sins.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 08:48, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
:Sounds unnecessary to me. You'd just be repeating the seven deadly sins part and Inferno was just Bible fanfiction anyway. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 09:52, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
:It has potential. However, I don't really think that he's guilty of treachery (9th Circle) [[User:Hater665511|Hater665511]] 12:39, 19 January 2012 (PST)
:*he has been guilty of treachery with several of his sweethearts. promising his virginity to more than one at a time is one example
:*Yes, but almost all the treachery in the inferno lead to someone getting killed. Chris, to my knowledge, hasn't done that. [[User:Hater665511|Hater665511]] 14:24, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Talk:Chris and religion

2012-01-22T15:19:57Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Works or Faith */

==Do something about Romans==
It's a nice quote but it's too big. I tried incorporating it into the article but it didn't look very good, something should be done with it to make the quotes section a bit smaller. --[[User:Thorgnzorrg|Thorgnzorrg]] 18:11, 23 August 2010 (PDT)

==To do==
*Chris's warped version of Christianity (homosexuality = bad, lesbianism = good, sex before marriage = okay).
*his twisted double standard of morality (anyone else lies = "vicious lies and slander", Chris outright lies = "half-truths"; also how Adam Stackhouse cheating = bad, Chris cheating = okay).
*God's influence on his dreams
*how Chris is guilty of all seven deadly sins

==God is a Troll==

If we assume God exists and it was God who talked to Chris could it be argued that God is trolling chris as well?

==Split==
I'll entertain the motion of splitting off GodJesus into its own page, since Chris has invoked God specifically in much of his work, which can be considered a separate thing to how Chris views religion, in addition to GodJesus being in the comic and a popular meme amongst trolls. We can document all the times Chris has invoked GodJesus in various media.

Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 12:07, 2 September 2009 (CEST)

I guess go on. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 11:11, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

That could actually be really funny, thinking about it. Go for it! --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 18:36, 30 October 2009 (CET)

Sounds like a good plan. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 23:55, 3 December 2009 (CET)

I don't know why no-one ever followed through on this idea. I'd just like to say I support this if the topic is still open. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Seven Deadly Sins==
The seven deadly sins aren't really 7 specific sins so much as seven categories that cover all sins. In other words, every wrongdoing is motivated, in one way or another By Greed, Sloth, Lust, Pride, Wrath, Gluttony, or Envy. So whether it's lying to save face (pride) raging against guys with girlfriends (Wrath, Lust, Envy) or basically anything else Chris does at all, it all goes back to one of the deadly sins.

That said, I doubt there's any need to actually include that in the article. Making this whole paragraph moot, I guess. whatever.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:38, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

:Apparently someone doesn't like the Seven Deadly sins portion of this page much at all. Does the article really need it? I mean, all it does it repeat the point that Chris wallows in wrongdoing. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 19:20, 19 November 2009 (CET)

::Eh, I vote we leave it in. They're a fundamental part of certain sects of Christianity, and it's an interesting analysis. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

===10 Commandments===
Now that's better. I'm half-tempted to delete the 7 deadly sins part completely now that we have this. To whoever wrote it, you're awesome. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 03:28, 11 December 2009 (CET)

Thanks. :^D [[User:Tyranogre|Tyranogre]] 06:04, 11 December 2009 (CET)

In the "Honor thy father and thy mother": part of the 10 Commandments it says that Chris called his father a bastard once and links to "Bob Walks In Aftermath". Having read it though it sounds to me like he could have been calling the troll a bastard and not his father. Any thoughts? [[User:Lunachu|Lunachu]] 19:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

===Levitical Laws===
Also, Saint Paul making a new Covenant; tehcnically, he doesn't have that authority, plus the mythology has Jesus saying in Mattew 5:17-19 http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/5.html#17 that all Old Testament laws still apply.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 02:06, 21 November 2010 (PST)

==Possession?==

christfag here i believe chris might be possessed or demonically oppressed having cast demons out of people before he acts very similar to them [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 17:31, 20 November 2009 (CET)

of course if this is true and if some one at his church has half a brain and recognizes this expect the saga to be over very quickly
(this is just a theory after all) [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 17:36, 20 November 2009 (CET)

:I'm also a Christian, but I really don't think there's much evidence here for demonic possession. Chris strikes me as just a terrible person on the whole, not a terrible person the devil is controlling.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 17:56, 20 November 2009 (CET)

::The devil is wasting his time if he's controlling Chris. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 18:54, 20 November 2009 (CET)

but if he is truly born again then he can't be possessed only oppressed [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 15:32, 21 November 2009 (CET)

the only reason i started thinking about this was when in one of the many chats he mentions how he hears things like "chris is gay" [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 04:16, 22 November 2009 (CET)

:I think that's more a case of self-denial or possible schizophrenia. No need to insert something silly like "demonic possession". Of course, maybe I'm a little biased against the idea, being atheist, but the symptoms are also right in line with the possibilities I mentioned, and my suggestions are things we actually know to exist, rather than a (fairly archaic) religious mere. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

==Other Religions?==

Should we document Chris's opinions on religions other than his own? Unfortunately, there's not much to go by, save a few Mumble chats and recent mailbag responses, but he seems tolerant of other people's beliefs (although this could be attributed to his willing ignorance of everything outside Virginia). --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 00:00, 4 December 2009 (CET)

Thanks, Dkaien. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 21:35, 4 December 2009 (CET)
:*That's definitely going to be hard since Chris is unfamiliar with any non-Christian religion. Hell, he doesn't really know the difference between Catholics and Protestants. {{unsigned|AntonImausMk2}}

Chris said in [[Mailbag 21#In which Chris receives a letter from the son of God|the mailbag]] that he agrees with all of Fred Nile's views, and Fred Nile is apparently quite anti-Muslim. Make of that what you will. --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 07:51, 21 December 2009 (CET)

== Source? ==

Has Chris ever actually been asked why he believes that there is pain and suffering if there is a loving God? The page suggests he has, but I can't find any source for it. --[[User:Mekka|Mekka]] 03:22, 15 December 2009 (CET)

== Reincarnation ==

[[Mailbag 21#Chris gets a call from the doctor|Right here]].

Chris's religion is now basically just a mishmash of every faith he's ever heard of, with a good helping of shit he just plain made up.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 07:20, 21 December 2009 (CET)

== Afterlife ==

So I wrote a little bit about Chris's stance on the hereafter, and how it really doesn't have anything in common with Christianity. I just kinda tacked it onto the end of GodJesus, because I couldn't really think of anywhere else it would fit properly.

Pretty much the entire idea of Christianity is that Jesus saves, and that it's impossible to save ourselves no matter how many good deeds we do. It's weird, considering he bases so much of his identity on it, but Chris really isn't a Christian at all.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 08:26, 3 January 2010 (CET)

I think it's possible that he actually doesn't give a damn about Christianity; and that he follows it for his own personal gain. If he ignores most of what Christians believe, and how he's selfish as fuck when it comes to referencing GODJEBUS (Like that time he mentioned how God would send the trolls to hell if they didn't listen to him, for example) then I would assume that Chris really doesn't care much

Here's a thought: What if Christianity turned out to be right, and after he dies, Chris went to hell? Can you imagine his reaction? Oh the hilarity. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I promise you he would say God is trolling him and then bore Satan with his comics. [[User:Admiral Klank|Admiral Klank]] 01:09, 19 September 2010 (PDT)

== Issue 10 page 48 ==

So, we have a hedgehog kneeling in prayer before some sort of altar, a stone rolling away from a tomb by itself, and hyper Sonichu, in a church window, assuming the pose Christ had when he died on the cross. Chris just made Jesus Christ an orange Homophobic hedgehog. I'll try and add this to the main article when I'm done raging, because honestly, this is blasphemy on levels I didn't think Chris was capable of.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I just saw this and... like they say: you think you've seen Chris hit the lowest, then he ends up outdoing himself.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 06:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
** The worst part is that that page is stained with something-or-other. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
** I added a bit about Sonichu's apparent new Messianic role, feel free to add/edit/delete if you think it sucks, as up to this point my edits have been mostly minor typo corrections [[User:Magic8Ball|Magic8Ball]] 12:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
***You done good Magic8Ball. You done good.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 23:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

== Satanism Comparison? ==

Or would Chris the Shaman cover most of the satanic-like things he's done, especially that fucked up attempt to brainwash us into hating Asperchu instead of Sonichu? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 00:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:*Please remember that we are talking about Chris here. He's pulling tons of stuff out without a hint of afterthought. At worst, he will ask pardon to GosJesus and everything will be well since he's forgiven. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think Chris the shaman covers it well enough. Also, the whole Backmasking thing was really more of a failed attempt at a subliminal message than a cry to Satan.
:::Of course, we should still call it a satanic message because that's funnier.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 23:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Editing the Jackie e-mails right now, groups 16-17, Jackie makes multiple good points on how Chris is, in fact, exactly how a Satanist would act.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 02:02, 21 November 2010 (PST)

==Works or Faith==

To be accurate, the Bible is pretty contradictory on faith saving you alone or the works saving you, and many Christians believe the concept of faith alone to be Satanic. So maybe the Christians Chris is around believe that. [[User:JamieTyler|JamieTyler]] 22:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:This is correct. "Protestant theology explicitly states that the salvation of one's soul is based completely on one's faith" is nothing like true and only people like Jack Chick are crazy enough to take it to its logical conclusion (that it's fine and just for Eyebrows McRapington to confess and accept Jesus one second before he dies and go to heaven, while a man who spends his entire life being a perfect human being but doesn't accept Jesus gets tossed into a fiery pit). James 2 is all about how "faith without works is dead" and Rev 20:13 says that in the end the dead will be "judged every man according to their works." The apologists will say these are works ''of faith'', but that still means you have to actually do shit rather than just believe.

:Granted, Chris' "works not faith" attitude doesn't apply to certain brands of Christianity, but there's plenty who share that belief; for example, because it deals with the thorny problem of almost everyone who has ever lived going to hell no matter how good they were as people. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 07:18, 22 January 2012 (PST)

==The phrase "GodJesus"==

Is [[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions|this]] the only time Chris has used it? Was it a one-off like [[niggo]] or [[pedofork]]?{{unsigned|Liquid!}}
*1) please sign your comments (it's four ~ in a row), 2) lots of things Chris says are one off, but they stick to trolls because they find them amusing. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[The Simpsons]] ==
An odd little coincidence here; I was watching a Simpsons haloween special recently. They're called Treehouse of Horror episodes. They do these non canonical horror stories. Theres one in particular that sees homer killing celebrities for money from advertisement firms. It makes more sense in context. Well it ends with the celebrities coming down from heaven and trying to kill Homer, and before they kill himm he asks what the one true faith is, to which Krusty the Klown replies 'Its a combination of [[Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha|Voodoo]] and Methodist.' Worth mentioning or not? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 17:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:* I think it's pure coincidence. I have yet heard Chris call himself a Methodism or any relation with Voodoo. If he mention it in the future, the comment would be added. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 18:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::*His current church is Methodist. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 19:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::* Good, we are half-way there. At the second he mention Voodoo, the info will fit in the article. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 19:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::*[[Chris_and_religion#Chris_the_Shaman|"Despite his professed Christianity, Chris's beliefs and behaviors almost tend towards a sort of shamanistic mindset, where God is a force to be controlled; and the universe can be influenced by various mystic rituals."]] --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 20:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::* Nice link but as long as Chris don't use the term "VooDoo" or make a direct allusion to the said scene, there's no ground to add it on the article. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 20:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Trinity vs. GodJesus ==

Trinitarianism refers to three personas in one being. The Father (Jehovah) is not the same as the Son (Jesus), but both are personas of God. Nor is the holy spirit the same as the Father or Son, but it too is a persona of God. In the past, when explaining the Trinity concept, I've drawn an analogy to one person with three user accounts on a computer. Chris's "GodJesus" could be thought of as not unlike the Trinity, except that the holy spirit isn't regarded as a persona. Am I right? --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] 17:41, 19 June 2011 (PDT)

== Different approach? ==

Seems pretty pointless trying to interpret Chris's beliefs in terms of Christianity, or pointing out that his beliefs contradict Christianity, since we all know anyway that he just believes whatever he finds convenient or appealing at the time.

It makes more sense imo to just have this page as a reference on all his prejudices and beliefs concerning the various religions, as well as his interactions with their various institutions. Then we can treat his own religious beliefs as a separate beast, either at another page or a section in this page.

I'd be happy to do the work if this idea gets the thumbs up. --[[User:Corezzio|Corezzio]] 20:55, 20 June 2011 (PDT)
*The thing is, Chris claims to be a devout Christian and frequently invokes Christianity for various reasons. This is more "Chris and ''his'' religion" than Chris and religion in general. I think with any "Chris and" article, it needs to be considered a possible subsection of the [[Christian Weston Chandler]] page - that is, this could easily be one, very large section of that article, but obviously we have a separate page so we can go more in-depth. But if it was part of that page, then we'd be focusing on Chris and his religion, would we not? Someone who would be reading that article would try to get an understanding of Chris's religion, which I think is rightly the focus of this article. In other words, people reading the article will want to know "What are Chris's religious beliefs?" rather than "How has Chris interacted with organized religions?" The former gives us some worldview behind Chris's thought process, the later is more sperg fodder (and I avoid using the term - not to say that one is a sperg if they want to know how Chris has interacted with other religions, merely that one is more likely interested in someone's beliefs that are religious rather than opinions on religious institutions).

:Yes, Chris's beliefs are self serving in many ways but he identifies with Christianity and I think it makes sense to use that as a lens for the page. Furthermore, we have more documentation of him interacting with Christianity than other religions, so that's another reason why Christianity is so predominant.

:Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you had in mind but these are my thoughts based on what I think you're getting at.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:11, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

==Is it necessary?==
I was considering adding Dante Alighieri's circles of hell. But a huge part of the article is listing Chris' sins. Would it be beating a dead horse to do it? Especially since seven of the circles are essentially the seven deadly sins.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 08:48, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
:Sounds unnecessary to me. You'd just be repeating the seven deadly sins part and Inferno was just Bible fanfiction anyway. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 09:52, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
:It has potential. However, I don't really think that he's guilty of treachery (9th Circle) [[User:Hater665511|Hater665511]] 12:39, 19 January 2012 (PST)
:*he has been guilty of treachery with several of his sweethearts. promising his virginity to more than one at a time is one example
:*Yes, but almost all the treachery in the inferno lead to someone getting killed. Chris, to my knowledge, hasn't done that. [[User:Hater665511|Hater665511]] 14:24, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Talk:Chris and religion

2012-01-22T15:18:45Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Works or Faith */

==Do something about Romans==
It's a nice quote but it's too big. I tried incorporating it into the article but it didn't look very good, something should be done with it to make the quotes section a bit smaller. --[[User:Thorgnzorrg|Thorgnzorrg]] 18:11, 23 August 2010 (PDT)

==To do==
*Chris's warped version of Christianity (homosexuality = bad, lesbianism = good, sex before marriage = okay).
*his twisted double standard of morality (anyone else lies = "vicious lies and slander", Chris outright lies = "half-truths"; also how Adam Stackhouse cheating = bad, Chris cheating = okay).
*God's influence on his dreams
*how Chris is guilty of all seven deadly sins

==God is a Troll==

If we assume God exists and it was God who talked to Chris could it be argued that God is trolling chris as well?

==Split==
I'll entertain the motion of splitting off GodJesus into its own page, since Chris has invoked God specifically in much of his work, which can be considered a separate thing to how Chris views religion, in addition to GodJesus being in the comic and a popular meme amongst trolls. We can document all the times Chris has invoked GodJesus in various media.

Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 12:07, 2 September 2009 (CEST)

I guess go on. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 11:11, 3 September 2009 (CEST)

That could actually be really funny, thinking about it. Go for it! --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 18:36, 30 October 2009 (CET)

Sounds like a good plan. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 23:55, 3 December 2009 (CET)

I don't know why no-one ever followed through on this idea. I'd just like to say I support this if the topic is still open. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

==The Seven Deadly Sins==
The seven deadly sins aren't really 7 specific sins so much as seven categories that cover all sins. In other words, every wrongdoing is motivated, in one way or another By Greed, Sloth, Lust, Pride, Wrath, Gluttony, or Envy. So whether it's lying to save face (pride) raging against guys with girlfriends (Wrath, Lust, Envy) or basically anything else Chris does at all, it all goes back to one of the deadly sins.

That said, I doubt there's any need to actually include that in the article. Making this whole paragraph moot, I guess. whatever.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:38, 15 October 2009 (CEST)

:Apparently someone doesn't like the Seven Deadly sins portion of this page much at all. Does the article really need it? I mean, all it does it repeat the point that Chris wallows in wrongdoing. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 19:20, 19 November 2009 (CET)

::Eh, I vote we leave it in. They're a fundamental part of certain sects of Christianity, and it's an interesting analysis. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:01, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

===10 Commandments===
Now that's better. I'm half-tempted to delete the 7 deadly sins part completely now that we have this. To whoever wrote it, you're awesome. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 03:28, 11 December 2009 (CET)

Thanks. :^D [[User:Tyranogre|Tyranogre]] 06:04, 11 December 2009 (CET)

In the "Honor thy father and thy mother": part of the 10 Commandments it says that Chris called his father a bastard once and links to "Bob Walks In Aftermath". Having read it though it sounds to me like he could have been calling the troll a bastard and not his father. Any thoughts? [[User:Lunachu|Lunachu]] 19:32, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

===Levitical Laws===
Also, Saint Paul making a new Covenant; tehcnically, he doesn't have that authority, plus the mythology has Jesus saying in Mattew 5:17-19 http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/mt/5.html#17 that all Old Testament laws still apply.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 02:06, 21 November 2010 (PST)

==Possession?==

christfag here i believe chris might be possessed or demonically oppressed having cast demons out of people before he acts very similar to them [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 17:31, 20 November 2009 (CET)

of course if this is true and if some one at his church has half a brain and recognizes this expect the saga to be over very quickly
(this is just a theory after all) [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 17:36, 20 November 2009 (CET)

:I'm also a Christian, but I really don't think there's much evidence here for demonic possession. Chris strikes me as just a terrible person on the whole, not a terrible person the devil is controlling.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 17:56, 20 November 2009 (CET)

::The devil is wasting his time if he's controlling Chris. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 18:54, 20 November 2009 (CET)

but if he is truly born again then he can't be possessed only oppressed [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 15:32, 21 November 2009 (CET)

the only reason i started thinking about this was when in one of the many chats he mentions how he hears things like "chris is gay" [[User:Ultrajinx|ultrajinx]] 04:16, 22 November 2009 (CET)

:I think that's more a case of self-denial or possible schizophrenia. No need to insert something silly like "demonic possession". Of course, maybe I'm a little biased against the idea, being atheist, but the symptoms are also right in line with the possibilities I mentioned, and my suggestions are things we actually know to exist, rather than a (fairly archaic) religious mere. [[User:NoVu|NoVu]] 00:05, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

==Other Religions?==

Should we document Chris's opinions on religions other than his own? Unfortunately, there's not much to go by, save a few Mumble chats and recent mailbag responses, but he seems tolerant of other people's beliefs (although this could be attributed to his willing ignorance of everything outside Virginia). --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 00:00, 4 December 2009 (CET)

Thanks, Dkaien. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 21:35, 4 December 2009 (CET)
:*That's definitely going to be hard since Chris is unfamiliar with any non-Christian religion. Hell, he doesn't really know the difference between Catholics and Protestants. {{unsigned|AntonImausMk2}}

Chris said in [[Mailbag 21#In which Chris receives a letter from the son of God|the mailbag]] that he agrees with all of Fred Nile's views, and Fred Nile is apparently quite anti-Muslim. Make of that what you will. --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 07:51, 21 December 2009 (CET)

== Source? ==

Has Chris ever actually been asked why he believes that there is pain and suffering if there is a loving God? The page suggests he has, but I can't find any source for it. --[[User:Mekka|Mekka]] 03:22, 15 December 2009 (CET)

== Reincarnation ==

[[Mailbag 21#Chris gets a call from the doctor|Right here]].

Chris's religion is now basically just a mishmash of every faith he's ever heard of, with a good helping of shit he just plain made up.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 07:20, 21 December 2009 (CET)

== Afterlife ==

So I wrote a little bit about Chris's stance on the hereafter, and how it really doesn't have anything in common with Christianity. I just kinda tacked it onto the end of GodJesus, because I couldn't really think of anywhere else it would fit properly.

Pretty much the entire idea of Christianity is that Jesus saves, and that it's impossible to save ourselves no matter how many good deeds we do. It's weird, considering he bases so much of his identity on it, but Chris really isn't a Christian at all.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 08:26, 3 January 2010 (CET)

I think it's possible that he actually doesn't give a damn about Christianity; and that he follows it for his own personal gain. If he ignores most of what Christians believe, and how he's selfish as fuck when it comes to referencing GODJEBUS (Like that time he mentioned how God would send the trolls to hell if they didn't listen to him, for example) then I would assume that Chris really doesn't care much

Here's a thought: What if Christianity turned out to be right, and after he dies, Chris went to hell? Can you imagine his reaction? Oh the hilarity. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:41, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

I promise you he would say God is trolling him and then bore Satan with his comics. [[User:Admiral Klank|Admiral Klank]] 01:09, 19 September 2010 (PDT)

== Issue 10 page 48 ==

So, we have a hedgehog kneeling in prayer before some sort of altar, a stone rolling away from a tomb by itself, and hyper Sonichu, in a church window, assuming the pose Christ had when he died on the cross. Chris just made Jesus Christ an orange Homophobic hedgehog. I'll try and add this to the main article when I'm done raging, because honestly, this is blasphemy on levels I didn't think Chris was capable of.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I just saw this and... like they say: you think you've seen Chris hit the lowest, then he ends up outdoing himself.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 06:11, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
** The worst part is that that page is stained with something-or-other. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:08, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
** I added a bit about Sonichu's apparent new Messianic role, feel free to add/edit/delete if you think it sucks, as up to this point my edits have been mostly minor typo corrections [[User:Magic8Ball|Magic8Ball]] 12:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
***You done good Magic8Ball. You done good.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 23:08, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

== Satanism Comparison? ==

Or would Chris the Shaman cover most of the satanic-like things he's done, especially that fucked up attempt to brainwash us into hating Asperchu instead of Sonichu? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 00:51, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:*Please remember that we are talking about Chris here. He's pulling tons of stuff out without a hint of afterthought. At worst, he will ask pardon to GosJesus and everything will be well since he's forgiven. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 01:19, 18 January 2010 (UTC)
:::I think Chris the shaman covers it well enough. Also, the whole Backmasking thing was really more of a failed attempt at a subliminal message than a cry to Satan.
:::Of course, we should still call it a satanic message because that's funnier.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 23:15, 23 January 2010 (UTC)
::::Editing the Jackie e-mails right now, groups 16-17, Jackie makes multiple good points on how Chris is, in fact, exactly how a Satanist would act.--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 02:02, 21 November 2010 (PST)

==Works or Faith==

To be accurate, the Bible is pretty contradictory on faith saving you alone or the works saving you, and many Christians believe the concept of faith alone to be Satanic. So maybe the Christians Chris is around believe that. [[User:JamieTyler|JamieTyler]] 22:35, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
:This is correct. "Protestant theology explicitly states that the salvation of one's soul is based completely on one's faith" is nothing like true and only people like Jack Chick are crazy enough to take it to its logical conclusion (that it's fine and just for Eyebrows McRapington to confess and accept Jesus one second before he dies and go to heaven). James 2 is all about how "faith without works is dead" and Rev 20:13 says that in the end the dead will be "judged every man according to their works." The apologists will say these are works ''of faith'', but that still means you have to actually do shit rather than just believe.

:Granted, Chris' "works not faith" attitude doesn't apply to certain brands of Christianity, but there's plenty who share that belief; for example, because it deals with the thorny problem of almost everyone who has ever lived going to hell no matter how good they were as people. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 07:18, 22 January 2012 (PST)

==The phrase "GodJesus"==

Is [[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions|this]] the only time Chris has used it? Was it a one-off like [[niggo]] or [[pedofork]]?{{unsigned|Liquid!}}
*1) please sign your comments (it's four ~ in a row), 2) lots of things Chris says are one off, but they stick to trolls because they find them amusing. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 17:32, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== [[The Simpsons]] ==
An odd little coincidence here; I was watching a Simpsons haloween special recently. They're called Treehouse of Horror episodes. They do these non canonical horror stories. Theres one in particular that sees homer killing celebrities for money from advertisement firms. It makes more sense in context. Well it ends with the celebrities coming down from heaven and trying to kill Homer, and before they kill himm he asks what the one true faith is, to which Krusty the Klown replies 'Its a combination of [[Curse-Ye-Ha-Me-Ha|Voodoo]] and Methodist.' Worth mentioning or not? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 17:45, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:* I think it's pure coincidence. I have yet heard Chris call himself a Methodism or any relation with Voodoo. If he mention it in the future, the comment would be added. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 18:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::*His current church is Methodist. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 19:44, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::* Good, we are half-way there. At the second he mention Voodoo, the info will fit in the article. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 19:50, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
::::*[[Chris_and_religion#Chris_the_Shaman|"Despite his professed Christianity, Chris's beliefs and behaviors almost tend towards a sort of shamanistic mindset, where God is a force to be controlled; and the universe can be influenced by various mystic rituals."]] --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 20:06, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
:::::* Nice link but as long as Chris don't use the term "VooDoo" or make a direct allusion to the said scene, there's no ground to add it on the article. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 20:12, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

== Trinity vs. GodJesus ==

Trinitarianism refers to three personas in one being. The Father (Jehovah) is not the same as the Son (Jesus), but both are personas of God. Nor is the holy spirit the same as the Father or Son, but it too is a persona of God. In the past, when explaining the Trinity concept, I've drawn an analogy to one person with three user accounts on a computer. Chris's "GodJesus" could be thought of as not unlike the Trinity, except that the holy spirit isn't regarded as a persona. Am I right? --[[User:Tepples|Tepples]] 17:41, 19 June 2011 (PDT)

== Different approach? ==

Seems pretty pointless trying to interpret Chris's beliefs in terms of Christianity, or pointing out that his beliefs contradict Christianity, since we all know anyway that he just believes whatever he finds convenient or appealing at the time.

It makes more sense imo to just have this page as a reference on all his prejudices and beliefs concerning the various religions, as well as his interactions with their various institutions. Then we can treat his own religious beliefs as a separate beast, either at another page or a section in this page.

I'd be happy to do the work if this idea gets the thumbs up. --[[User:Corezzio|Corezzio]] 20:55, 20 June 2011 (PDT)
*The thing is, Chris claims to be a devout Christian and frequently invokes Christianity for various reasons. This is more "Chris and ''his'' religion" than Chris and religion in general. I think with any "Chris and" article, it needs to be considered a possible subsection of the [[Christian Weston Chandler]] page - that is, this could easily be one, very large section of that article, but obviously we have a separate page so we can go more in-depth. But if it was part of that page, then we'd be focusing on Chris and his religion, would we not? Someone who would be reading that article would try to get an understanding of Chris's religion, which I think is rightly the focus of this article. In other words, people reading the article will want to know "What are Chris's religious beliefs?" rather than "How has Chris interacted with organized religions?" The former gives us some worldview behind Chris's thought process, the later is more sperg fodder (and I avoid using the term - not to say that one is a sperg if they want to know how Chris has interacted with other religions, merely that one is more likely interested in someone's beliefs that are religious rather than opinions on religious institutions).

:Yes, Chris's beliefs are self serving in many ways but he identifies with Christianity and I think it makes sense to use that as a lens for the page. Furthermore, we have more documentation of him interacting with Christianity than other religions, so that's another reason why Christianity is so predominant.

:Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you had in mind but these are my thoughts based on what I think you're getting at.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:11, 21 June 2011 (PDT)

==Is it necessary?==
I was considering adding Dante Alighieri's circles of hell. But a huge part of the article is listing Chris' sins. Would it be beating a dead horse to do it? Especially since seven of the circles are essentially the seven deadly sins.[[User:Theiselybros|Theiselybros]] 08:48, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
:Sounds unnecessary to me. You'd just be repeating the seven deadly sins part and Inferno was just Bible fanfiction anyway. --[[User:T K 19|T K 19]] 09:52, 10 July 2011 (PDT)
:It has potential. However, I don't really think that he's guilty of treachery (9th Circle) [[User:Hater665511|Hater665511]] 12:39, 19 January 2012 (PST)
:*he has been guilty of treachery with several of his sweethearts. promising his virginity to more than one at a time is one example
:*Yes, but almost all the treachery in the inferno lead to someone getting killed. Chris, to my knowledge, hasn't done that. [[User:Hater665511|Hater665511]] 14:24, 19 January 2012 (PST)

Talk:Chris and his ego

2012-01-17T18:29:57Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* "Parody of a parody" */ new section

[[Talk:Chris and his Ego/Archive 1|Archive 1]]

[[Talk:Chris and his Ego/Archive 2|Archive 2]]

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==Archived==
With the massive rewrite of this article complete, old news has been archived. Keep up the good work adding details and improving our shiny new article! --[[User:Dude|Dude]] 23:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Just threw in something that struck me from his [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 9|phone call]] with [[Asperchu|Alec]]. I'm not sure they entirely fit, but I couldn't think where else to put it. If a better spot comes up or it's deemed unnecessary, feel free to move around/delete as needed. [[User:Borednewb|Borednewb]] 04:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
*I saw the text; nice little piece. The community will decide on a whole if this stays (just like any other Wiki) but I think the info you brought in got a proper place here. Nice work, please do more. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

== Update ==

I updated the page to include the release of the 100...something video. it was juts something quick and also the video is being planned for rename so i would be thankful if someone updated and corrected the entry.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 03:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)`

== jesus christ narcissistic personality disorder ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

* An oversensitive temperament at birth
* Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
* Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
* Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
* Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
* Severe emotional abuse in childhood
* Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
* Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for poor behaviors in childhood

how many of these apply to chris? hurrr [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

* Well, if we believe his stories about the abusive babysitter and the Nathaniel Greene scream-recording incident, I'd say all of them are true (except the latter part of the last one, I doubt that Bob and Barb ever criticized Chris for anything when he was a kid) [[User:Banzai881|Banzai881]] 20:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::I'm requesting someone to wikilink or whatever the fuck its called and put it up on the main page. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::See below regarding the last one. --[[User:Sonichuis44|Sonichuis44]] 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)

==Chris and toys?==
"This stems from childhood when Snorlax would take Chris to the toy store and encourage him to to talk by giving him toys if he could read them out loud." Sauce? This would really explain a lot. Also, how much fucking money do they have, geez --[[User:Sonichuis44|Sonichuis44]] 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)
*You would be shocked, it's along the lines of living in a trailer park but owning a porsche. Chris gets $800 a month, subtract $500 for rent, add in Bob's pension and disablity check, Snorlax's disablity check and you get a tidy sum. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 15:16, 20 December 2010 (PST)CFA

==NPD==
I can't see Chris having NPD.

'''1.has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)'''
*First concession

'''2.is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love'''
*I don't think Chris exhibits this symptom. He wants love, but he isn't obsessed with fantasies of being omnipotent. He sits in his room and plays vidya, and he knows it. He's pretty normal for a virginal 30-year-old in this category as far as I can tell.

'''3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)'''
*This isn't true at all. He whored himself out online, regularly sat outdoors with an attraction sign, and chatted with underage women on Facebook. He's wanted to be published, but so do a lot of other people and they aren't necessarily NPD. He's desperate and begs for everything he gets.

'''4. requires excessive admiration'''
*No. He wants what he sees as a regular relationship. Yeah, it's skewed, but it's what he thinks everyone else gets anyway. That's more of an issue with his social maladjustment than anything else.

'''5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations'''
*This is true, but it's pretty well-documented that it has more to do with his parents than anything else, so I'd say this isn't about NPD.

'''6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends'''
*We have a couple isolated incidents of this, but in general he [[Honest Content|lays all his cards on the table.]] I wouldn't call him manipulative beyond that of the average human, but one might be led to believe it because we have the times he DOES try to manipulate people well-documented.

'''7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others'''
*Mkay

'''8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her'''
*I wouldn't necessarily agree with this either. He wants women, but other than that he doesn't seem to express envy. Furthermore, outside of Sonichu, he doesn't seem to believe others are envious of him. The Sonichu thing can be explained more easily by saying that Chris thinks he's sitting on a goldmine, and so boasts about it.

'''9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes'''
*Fine

So that's 3 symptoms I agree with, maybe 4 if you count #5, when a minimum of 5 is necessary for diagnosis. I honestly don't see why this section should stay, when it's just self-fulfilling prophesy. DSM-IV is a piece of shit anyway. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:42, 20 December 2010 (PST)

:I have to agree that NPD does not apply to him, as his PDD better explains his symptoms than any potential Axis II diagnosis [[User:Anonymous one|Anonymous one]] 14:57, 4 April 2011 (PDT)

:I have to disagree with you on several points. #8 is probably the easiest, what with the "Firstly, YOU WISH YOU WERE ME..." in the rejected Mailbag 10. For #4? His claim that he has over a billion fans seems kind of like excessive admiration. #6 can be shown with his interactions with Liquid Chris, where he tries to take advantage of the fact that he thought that there was someone else called Chris Chandler, who had a girlfriend, and he thought that he could take advantage of that. His failures at blackmail (and his success with his half brother) also seem rather exploitative. For #2, his idea of making a girlfriend into a "sweetheart from the ground-up" (Ground-up what, exactly?) seems like an attempt at ideal love, and his whole idea that he has real power in his curse attacks really seem like a delusional fantasy. As for #3, its a little harder, but it's still there. His treatment of other people with autism, especially those with more severe afflictions, seems to indicate that he believes that he is undoubtedly "special", and his readiness to accept the idea that president Bush would personally get involved with his petty conflict with a community college and that Miyamoto would contact him personally, seem like pretty clear indications that he believes that people who are special will quickly recognize him as also special. For #5, that seems like that could rather cause it to grow into large proportions, there's not necessarily anything saying that the two aren't linked.

:There's also the fact that he seems to have a sort of materialism that fits with NPD, something that people with Aspergers might seem to have. As several of my friends and I have Aspergers, I have noted that there are some pretty big differences there, that are extremely telling. His destruction of the PS3 is perhaps the most obvious example of this. His materialism seems to stem from simply wanting to have something. The item itself is often much less important than actually having it. However, people with Aspergers tend to get things that they mostly want, and also tend to collect things that they feel may have some use later on. It also comes with the fact that items tend to gain a very large amount of sentimental value over time, sometimes greatly exceeding the value of the item itself. If Chris' desire to hoard things was a result of Aspergers and not NPD, then I doubt he would have destroyed his PS3, $9001 offer or not. I really believe that Chris has ''both'' disorders, but the Narcissism is actually a larger factor than autism is. --[[User:CannedPeas|CannedPeas]] 15:58, 11 July 2011 (PDT)

== "Parody of a parody" ==

That seems more like something he picked up reading a review of something like ''Scary Movie'' which emphasises that making a joke movie about a movie that was already a joke is a really stupid idea since it's pointless to mock something that was never serious to start with. So he knows a parody of a parody is bad, and just applies it to his homebrew definition of parody. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 10:29, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Talk:White knight

2012-01-17T18:15:57Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* TV Tropes */

Svenka really isn't the same sort of counter-troll as Robert Simmons V. Bob was actually a troll, who fought the trolls to gain Chris's trust and he turned out to be a pretty heck of a troll (see the church audio). Svenka is a troll who seems to be doing this because s/he thinks it's funny to fuck with us fucking with Chris instead of fucking with Chris. The two really are different sorts of creatures. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:23, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
: More importantly, is there a reason the church audio isn't mentioned in [[Robert Simmons V]] or [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 08:19, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
:* Actually, no, and I just think it's because people forgot it exists because it only came out like, a day before the date Chris had with Emily. That and no one felt like listening to an audio that was mostly a church sermon with Chris either singing loudly or saying "HMMMM, INTERESTING" very loudly to things the pastor was saying. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:27, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

==Chris is abusing his monthly tugboat==
Chris is stealing our taxpayer's money.. and I believe "Old Time Rock And Roll on Shredwud" is the worst example of him abusing his monthly tugboat.
Pulled out from one YouTube user's comment: "As Americans suffer the worst recession in living memory, with tens millions of people struggling to put food on the table and keep the lights on, a lazy, would-be rapist and pedophile spends his days playing video games at taxpayers expense."

Should I point this out as one of the few reasons why White Knighting should be justified?
--[[User:Shogun|shogun]] 05:30, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

==Redirects from Counter trolls and anti trolls==

I think these two ideas can be mentioned briefly in this article, but since they're not, I think they need to be in order to keep the redirect. It seems that anti-trolls and counter trolls are not the same as white knights.

White knights are people who see Chris and go "BAWWWWWWWWWW, he's an autistic, people are bullying him, I should troll them instead since they're being mean" or "LEAVE CHRIS ALONE!" I can't think of too many genuine white knights. Maybe Harbal was.

Counter trolls are people who see us and say "Wow, these fuckers spend all their time trolling a retard and that's fucking pathetic. I want to fuck things up for them." I think this might be Svenka's real intention, not so much a genuine concern for Chris but because she gets some joy of fucking up the efforts to fuck up Chris.

Anti-trolls are people who decide to work false flag and act like they're on Chris's side, fighting off trolls and making videos in hope of gaining Chris's trust. This is what Robert Simmons V more or less did, troll Chris by pretending to fight the trolls in order to gain his trust. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:34, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

: You're right, I made a mistake. This article already encompasses both white knights and counter trolls (with or without hyphen?) and I think it should stay that way because the listed reasons can apply to both groups. If it stays, it should be restructured a little and renamed to something like [[White knights and counter trolls]]. Then write a short article on [[Anti-troll]], or redirect it to [[Trolls]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 05:51, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Moar on the white knight antics ==

There's moar [[User:Anonymous/CWCville Archives#Quixotic Avenger/CriticalMindz (AKA No More Cyber Crimes/Quixotic Avenger, AKA 9v47w1hk0jyr|here]]. --[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 07:29, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Block vs. Ban ==

Blocking and banning are different on Wikipedia. A ban is an outright, written "You [the person, not the account] are not allowed on Wikipedia anymore" instated by the ''whole community'', while a block is just ''one admin'' blocking the ''account''. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] 03:51, 12 August 2009 (CEST)
: True - in case of Wikipedia. However, I was talking about Chris's behaviour websites in general. I don't mind either term being used in the article, though - in most other websites, these terms would be mostly synonymous. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 11:18, 25 August 2009 (CEST)

==empathy==
In the Empathy section, there is a note that the people in question empathizing with Chris are autistic; it reads awkwardly because all auts lack empathy and are, by definition, psychopaths. --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:22, 9 December 2009 (CET)
*hahaha what? sauce plz --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 04:03, 9 December 2009 (CET)

== How serious should this article be? ==

There is a website called [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page RationalWiki] that primarily exists to uncover the lulz that pseudoscience pushers promote. (Think of it as ED for geeks, if it helps.) The contributors generally take a humorous approach on a lot of topics. Yet, at some point, they found out that the article on [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Andrew_Schlafly Andy Schlafly] was ranked high in Google, so they decided that the article should be serious and factual in tone, so that people who're considering paying money for ''(*ahem*)'' high quality home-schooling tutoring and online courses at a family-friendly ''(*ahem*)'' encyclopedia would know what they're getting.

So this brings me to this question. This is a relatively important article, and I hope that most people read this early on when they first stumble into the big mess that Chris has made. This article is already fairly serious in tone, and is shaping up into a nice guide on the topic of "why helping Chris has been found futile, and why the trolls actually have a good point". Should we put in some deliberate effort and place in guidelines here to make sure this article stays that way? "This is an important article. Feel free to improve it. Just keep in mind, more so than usual, that you shouldn't ruin it." --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 14:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:Good thought there Wwwwolf. That's a question that covers more areas of the CWCki than just this article, and I've never really seen it addressed. Conventional wisdom seem to be:'If Champthom likes it, then it's good enough for me'. Problem is, I'm never sure what Champ actually likes. Policy time? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 16:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

::Perhaps a protocol (it sounds cooler than policy). You could set a number of guidelines/rules regarding how a page should be created and maintained. I think in light of the Wallflower incident it would be a good idea since the Cwcki should be held to a higher standard (than, say, the ED). Sounds like there should be a topic page on this issue. --[[User:Caboose_-1|Caboose_-1]] 22:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:::We have some of those rules in place already. Style hasn't been addressed in detail though. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 17:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::*Style is something we need to work on. However, let me address first this article and then about what makes a good CWCki page and the rationale of what I think is good.

:::To be honest, I'm not a fan of this page. It's very well written, don't get me wrong, but it's not very encyclopedic. It's more of an essay on why one shouldn't white knight for Chris than an article that one would look for information about past white knighting attempts for Chris. Personally, I'm not even a big fan of what constitutes a white knight since in some circles, anyone who doesn't want to see Chris hit in the face with a baseball bat is a "white knight." There's also a tendency to assume that people knew everything we know about Chris now back in 2008. Vivian's AIM chat with Chris is perceived as "white knighting" when this was back when people thought that maybe Chris could be reasoned with.

:::However, I tend to leave it be since it's an exception for the rule. If we were strict, then [[Audiobooks]] would need to go in the Fan index because there's plenty of other fan works Chris has mentioned before that don't have their own entries but it's the exception to the rule given the fact it's core of troll culture. Likewise, this article is an interesting look at meta-trolling, that is topics that arise from trolling Chris himself. Fuck, in a way this article could very be reworked to be called "Meta-trolling" but nobody would know what the fuck that means.

:::I think it's very possible to make this page better, though I'm not entirely sure how. I know ED has a template along the lines of "This article is good, don't fuck with it" so maybe something along the lines of this here?

:::Also, let me all let you in on a secret - I tend to run CWCki in a [[Wikipedia:Common law|common law]] fashion. I try to see myself as the judge, I generally look to Wikipedia to see how they handle things (in other words, established precedence) and as things come up here, I try to establish a precedent based on the circumstances and try to find a general principle to govern things. Ideally, a wiki should work that when people collaborate, some sort of order arises spontaneously that works for us.

:::Just like we're [[CWCki:NOTED|not ED]], we're also not Wikipedia. We're CWCki. We can do what works for us. I personally think we should lean towards Wikipedia than ED, but we have flexibility.

:::Now, what makes a good page and when should it be created? There's obvious cases when a page should be made - new media arises, that sort of thing. But what about something else? First, ask - "How does this relate to Chris? Is this something crucial into understanding Chris?" I recall around the time of the [[Father Call]], people wanted a page for Matt Devoria. But then you ask - "Can this material be incorporated into another page? Can it be done without going off on in another direction?" Easily Matt Devoria can be incorporated into the Father Call - otherwise, you have an article where it's along the lines of "Matthew Devoria is [[Kacey]]'s father" and that's it. Furthermore, is it essential to know who Matthew Devoria is outside the context of how he relates to Chris? Obviously you need to know something about [[Clyde Cash]] or any of Chris's sweethearts in order to understand why Chris is rambling on about these people and how they're connected to Chris. Then, ask "Is it exceptional enough to have an entire article written about it?" Someone pointed out that it was odd that [[Heather Inglesias]] has her own page despite being an off screen character while certain characters who have actually appeared in the comic have not. I believe such a page is warranted because the reasons ''why'' Chris created Heather (to appease people into thinking he's not a total homophobe, such that it would ruin his chances for china) gives us some insight into Chris's mind.

:::If I delete a page, it's usually for a few reasons. Obvious reason #1 is namefagging - someone thinks they're troll persona is SO COOL that they deserve an entire page about it (this hasn't happened in quite some time). Most common reason is usually because it's something that can be incorporated into another article or really doesn't deserve an entire article. I recall people making articles for those radio shows Chris appeared on and I deleted those articles because a one like reference to those shows could easily be made in the content they discuss (I think someone made an article for a transcript of the show, which is kinda iffy, IMHO. Need to consider that). A lot of the time though, it's people don't plan. They make an article, might write one sentence and that's it. You don't have to write the entire article in advance (though it helps), but at least leave an idea of what you're aiming at on the talk page so people know how to proceed. If you make a page, say "Chris and his parents," don't write a one sentence like "Chris doesn't get along with his parents (I'm not saying this should be a page, just an example). Sometimes it's not so much I delete a page because I think it shouldn't be a page but it's just so awful and all over the place that I think it should be scrapped and people start over. If it looks like people put considerable work into it, then I'll usually make a subpage of the original page creator's user page so they can work on it before making it a proper article again.

:::Style, I agree, is one thing we could work on, namely in tone and whatnot. But as I said, we do have flexibility and we can do what works. Personally, I'm not a big fan of setting everything in stone since that can ruin flexibility as people point to the rules and say "See? You have to do it MY way!" I do think that the [[CWCki:Style|Style guide]] needs some work in terms of tone. We really should be avoiding essays like this article and focus more on encyclopedic toned articles, yet still make articles pleasurable to read to encourage people to utilize the CWCki. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Champ, it's times like these that I remember how much I love you. You're saying you want some work on the style guide? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 11:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

==TV Tropes==

I spotted a TV Tropes white knight attempt on the Sonichu page, so I added it. By the way, does this article need rewriting? I'm inclined to think so. -[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 00:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Tropers aren't bad people, (though they are often people with incredibly bad taste). I assume whoever wrote that read this article in full, and really genuinely wants Chris to stop being such a monumental screwup. Their linking it back here is probably their way of admitting that it's (low-level) white knighting, and that it really is futile.
:Granted, it's all a moot point because Chris has never read TVtropes.
:Anyways I think this article is pretty good, but Ronichu, so far all your works have been awesome, so if you have plans to make it better, by all means go nuts.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 03:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure if this can classify as "white knighting". It's "inadvertent white knighting" at best. They don't seem to have any intention of stopping the trolling or even acknowledge the trolls outside of "all your fans are trolls". Other white knights we have on here have directly tried to interfere with trolling/stop it. I don't think that's the case here. While Chris getting help might put an end to trolling him, I doubt they had that in mind, not that it's ever even going to happen. Basically, I'm saying, "should we just remove this section" or "can we re-write it to point out that their white knighting is unintentional"?--[[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]][[User:Anon1Guardian|DrSerbia]][[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]] 15:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone think Chris did infact see the message and erased it himself? [[User:SerenityMoonstone|SerenityMoonstone]] 21:32, 8 August 2010 ((EST))
:*That's not his style. If he saw it, based on the CWCki vandalism, he'd probably blank the page and then add a whole bunch of 'TVTropes is a load of BULL!' style comments. Subtley is not sonething Chris does, ever, with anything. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 18:54, 8 August 2010 (PDT)
:*It is known why it was taken down it was part of a general attempt to avoid flamebait and they knew someone somewhere would link Chris to the page and start an edit war. [[user:Comunist|Sam]]
::Actually it's because Fast Eddie is trying to run a media analysis site that avoids saying anything, no matter how horrible, is actually bad. And because his usual solution to problems is to gut an article and lock it forever. He's been known to make ridiculous statements on the forums to the effect that criticism is bad, critics are horrible people who lack the ''sparkly gift'' of creativity, and that Yahtzee is a horrible bastard for making fun of a game he did some work on. He ''literally'' believes that any site which doesn't enforce a strict code of positivity will become Encyclopedia Dramatica (seriously, he's said so in as many words and without a hint of irony) and that it's somehow possible to describe a work like ''Battlefield Earth'' or ''Sonichu'' without ever stating it's only remarkable as a textbook example of how to use every narrative tool in existence badly. He's fifty years old, hangs around on a forum full of maladjusted teenage anime fans who worship him (or they disappear) and looks like the bastard offspring of a drifter and Captain Ahab. In other words, he's probably doing it because can't figure out why everyone's so mean to Chris. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 10:02, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Talk:White knight

2012-01-17T18:09:02Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* TV Tropes */

Svenka really isn't the same sort of counter-troll as Robert Simmons V. Bob was actually a troll, who fought the trolls to gain Chris's trust and he turned out to be a pretty heck of a troll (see the church audio). Svenka is a troll who seems to be doing this because s/he thinks it's funny to fuck with us fucking with Chris instead of fucking with Chris. The two really are different sorts of creatures. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:23, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
: More importantly, is there a reason the church audio isn't mentioned in [[Robert Simmons V]] or [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 08:19, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
:* Actually, no, and I just think it's because people forgot it exists because it only came out like, a day before the date Chris had with Emily. That and no one felt like listening to an audio that was mostly a church sermon with Chris either singing loudly or saying "HMMMM, INTERESTING" very loudly to things the pastor was saying. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:27, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

==Chris is abusing his monthly tugboat==
Chris is stealing our taxpayer's money.. and I believe "Old Time Rock And Roll on Shredwud" is the worst example of him abusing his monthly tugboat.
Pulled out from one YouTube user's comment: "As Americans suffer the worst recession in living memory, with tens millions of people struggling to put food on the table and keep the lights on, a lazy, would-be rapist and pedophile spends his days playing video games at taxpayers expense."

Should I point this out as one of the few reasons why White Knighting should be justified?
--[[User:Shogun|shogun]] 05:30, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

==Redirects from Counter trolls and anti trolls==

I think these two ideas can be mentioned briefly in this article, but since they're not, I think they need to be in order to keep the redirect. It seems that anti-trolls and counter trolls are not the same as white knights.

White knights are people who see Chris and go "BAWWWWWWWWWW, he's an autistic, people are bullying him, I should troll them instead since they're being mean" or "LEAVE CHRIS ALONE!" I can't think of too many genuine white knights. Maybe Harbal was.

Counter trolls are people who see us and say "Wow, these fuckers spend all their time trolling a retard and that's fucking pathetic. I want to fuck things up for them." I think this might be Svenka's real intention, not so much a genuine concern for Chris but because she gets some joy of fucking up the efforts to fuck up Chris.

Anti-trolls are people who decide to work false flag and act like they're on Chris's side, fighting off trolls and making videos in hope of gaining Chris's trust. This is what Robert Simmons V more or less did, troll Chris by pretending to fight the trolls in order to gain his trust. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:34, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

: You're right, I made a mistake. This article already encompasses both white knights and counter trolls (with or without hyphen?) and I think it should stay that way because the listed reasons can apply to both groups. If it stays, it should be restructured a little and renamed to something like [[White knights and counter trolls]]. Then write a short article on [[Anti-troll]], or redirect it to [[Trolls]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 05:51, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Moar on the white knight antics ==

There's moar [[User:Anonymous/CWCville Archives#Quixotic Avenger/CriticalMindz (AKA No More Cyber Crimes/Quixotic Avenger, AKA 9v47w1hk0jyr|here]]. --[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 07:29, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Block vs. Ban ==

Blocking and banning are different on Wikipedia. A ban is an outright, written "You [the person, not the account] are not allowed on Wikipedia anymore" instated by the ''whole community'', while a block is just ''one admin'' blocking the ''account''. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] 03:51, 12 August 2009 (CEST)
: True - in case of Wikipedia. However, I was talking about Chris's behaviour websites in general. I don't mind either term being used in the article, though - in most other websites, these terms would be mostly synonymous. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 11:18, 25 August 2009 (CEST)

==empathy==
In the Empathy section, there is a note that the people in question empathizing with Chris are autistic; it reads awkwardly because all auts lack empathy and are, by definition, psychopaths. --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:22, 9 December 2009 (CET)
*hahaha what? sauce plz --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 04:03, 9 December 2009 (CET)

== How serious should this article be? ==

There is a website called [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page RationalWiki] that primarily exists to uncover the lulz that pseudoscience pushers promote. (Think of it as ED for geeks, if it helps.) The contributors generally take a humorous approach on a lot of topics. Yet, at some point, they found out that the article on [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Andrew_Schlafly Andy Schlafly] was ranked high in Google, so they decided that the article should be serious and factual in tone, so that people who're considering paying money for ''(*ahem*)'' high quality home-schooling tutoring and online courses at a family-friendly ''(*ahem*)'' encyclopedia would know what they're getting.

So this brings me to this question. This is a relatively important article, and I hope that most people read this early on when they first stumble into the big mess that Chris has made. This article is already fairly serious in tone, and is shaping up into a nice guide on the topic of "why helping Chris has been found futile, and why the trolls actually have a good point". Should we put in some deliberate effort and place in guidelines here to make sure this article stays that way? "This is an important article. Feel free to improve it. Just keep in mind, more so than usual, that you shouldn't ruin it." --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 14:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:Good thought there Wwwwolf. That's a question that covers more areas of the CWCki than just this article, and I've never really seen it addressed. Conventional wisdom seem to be:'If Champthom likes it, then it's good enough for me'. Problem is, I'm never sure what Champ actually likes. Policy time? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 16:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

::Perhaps a protocol (it sounds cooler than policy). You could set a number of guidelines/rules regarding how a page should be created and maintained. I think in light of the Wallflower incident it would be a good idea since the Cwcki should be held to a higher standard (than, say, the ED). Sounds like there should be a topic page on this issue. --[[User:Caboose_-1|Caboose_-1]] 22:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:::We have some of those rules in place already. Style hasn't been addressed in detail though. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 17:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::*Style is something we need to work on. However, let me address first this article and then about what makes a good CWCki page and the rationale of what I think is good.

:::To be honest, I'm not a fan of this page. It's very well written, don't get me wrong, but it's not very encyclopedic. It's more of an essay on why one shouldn't white knight for Chris than an article that one would look for information about past white knighting attempts for Chris. Personally, I'm not even a big fan of what constitutes a white knight since in some circles, anyone who doesn't want to see Chris hit in the face with a baseball bat is a "white knight." There's also a tendency to assume that people knew everything we know about Chris now back in 2008. Vivian's AIM chat with Chris is perceived as "white knighting" when this was back when people thought that maybe Chris could be reasoned with.

:::However, I tend to leave it be since it's an exception for the rule. If we were strict, then [[Audiobooks]] would need to go in the Fan index because there's plenty of other fan works Chris has mentioned before that don't have their own entries but it's the exception to the rule given the fact it's core of troll culture. Likewise, this article is an interesting look at meta-trolling, that is topics that arise from trolling Chris himself. Fuck, in a way this article could very be reworked to be called "Meta-trolling" but nobody would know what the fuck that means.

:::I think it's very possible to make this page better, though I'm not entirely sure how. I know ED has a template along the lines of "This article is good, don't fuck with it" so maybe something along the lines of this here?

:::Also, let me all let you in on a secret - I tend to run CWCki in a [[Wikipedia:Common law|common law]] fashion. I try to see myself as the judge, I generally look to Wikipedia to see how they handle things (in other words, established precedence) and as things come up here, I try to establish a precedent based on the circumstances and try to find a general principle to govern things. Ideally, a wiki should work that when people collaborate, some sort of order arises spontaneously that works for us.

:::Just like we're [[CWCki:NOTED|not ED]], we're also not Wikipedia. We're CWCki. We can do what works for us. I personally think we should lean towards Wikipedia than ED, but we have flexibility.

:::Now, what makes a good page and when should it be created? There's obvious cases when a page should be made - new media arises, that sort of thing. But what about something else? First, ask - "How does this relate to Chris? Is this something crucial into understanding Chris?" I recall around the time of the [[Father Call]], people wanted a page for Matt Devoria. But then you ask - "Can this material be incorporated into another page? Can it be done without going off on in another direction?" Easily Matt Devoria can be incorporated into the Father Call - otherwise, you have an article where it's along the lines of "Matthew Devoria is [[Kacey]]'s father" and that's it. Furthermore, is it essential to know who Matthew Devoria is outside the context of how he relates to Chris? Obviously you need to know something about [[Clyde Cash]] or any of Chris's sweethearts in order to understand why Chris is rambling on about these people and how they're connected to Chris. Then, ask "Is it exceptional enough to have an entire article written about it?" Someone pointed out that it was odd that [[Heather Inglesias]] has her own page despite being an off screen character while certain characters who have actually appeared in the comic have not. I believe such a page is warranted because the reasons ''why'' Chris created Heather (to appease people into thinking he's not a total homophobe, such that it would ruin his chances for china) gives us some insight into Chris's mind.

:::If I delete a page, it's usually for a few reasons. Obvious reason #1 is namefagging - someone thinks they're troll persona is SO COOL that they deserve an entire page about it (this hasn't happened in quite some time). Most common reason is usually because it's something that can be incorporated into another article or really doesn't deserve an entire article. I recall people making articles for those radio shows Chris appeared on and I deleted those articles because a one like reference to those shows could easily be made in the content they discuss (I think someone made an article for a transcript of the show, which is kinda iffy, IMHO. Need to consider that). A lot of the time though, it's people don't plan. They make an article, might write one sentence and that's it. You don't have to write the entire article in advance (though it helps), but at least leave an idea of what you're aiming at on the talk page so people know how to proceed. If you make a page, say "Chris and his parents," don't write a one sentence like "Chris doesn't get along with his parents (I'm not saying this should be a page, just an example). Sometimes it's not so much I delete a page because I think it shouldn't be a page but it's just so awful and all over the place that I think it should be scrapped and people start over. If it looks like people put considerable work into it, then I'll usually make a subpage of the original page creator's user page so they can work on it before making it a proper article again.

:::Style, I agree, is one thing we could work on, namely in tone and whatnot. But as I said, we do have flexibility and we can do what works. Personally, I'm not a big fan of setting everything in stone since that can ruin flexibility as people point to the rules and say "See? You have to do it MY way!" I do think that the [[CWCki:Style|Style guide]] needs some work in terms of tone. We really should be avoiding essays like this article and focus more on encyclopedic toned articles, yet still make articles pleasurable to read to encourage people to utilize the CWCki. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Champ, it's times like these that I remember how much I love you. You're saying you want some work on the style guide? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 11:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

==TV Tropes==

I spotted a TV Tropes white knight attempt on the Sonichu page, so I added it. By the way, does this article need rewriting? I'm inclined to think so. -[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 00:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Tropers aren't bad people, (though they are often people with incredibly bad taste). I assume whoever wrote that read this article in full, and really genuinely wants Chris to stop being such a monumental screwup. Their linking it back here is probably their way of admitting that it's (low-level) white knighting, and that it really is futile.
:Granted, it's all a moot point because Chris has never read TVtropes.
:Anyways I think this article is pretty good, but Ronichu, so far all your works have been awesome, so if you have plans to make it better, by all means go nuts.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 03:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure if this can classify as "white knighting". It's "inadvertent white knighting" at best. They don't seem to have any intention of stopping the trolling or even acknowledge the trolls outside of "all your fans are trolls". Other white knights we have on here have directly tried to interfere with trolling/stop it. I don't think that's the case here. While Chris getting help might put an end to trolling him, I doubt they had that in mind, not that it's ever even going to happen. Basically, I'm saying, "should we just remove this section" or "can we re-write it to point out that their white knighting is unintentional"?--[[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]][[User:Anon1Guardian|DrSerbia]][[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]] 15:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone think Chris did infact see the message and erased it himself? [[User:SerenityMoonstone|SerenityMoonstone]] 21:32, 8 August 2010 ((EST))
:*That's not his style. If he saw it, based on the CWCki vandalism, he'd probably blank the page and then add a whole bunch of 'TVTropes is a load of BULL!' style comments. Subtley is not sonething Chris does, ever, with anything. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 18:54, 8 August 2010 (PDT)
:*It is known why it was taken down it was part of a general attempt to avoid flamebait and they knew someone somewhere would link Chris to the page and start an edit war. [[user:Comunist|Sam]]
::Actually it's because Fast Eddie is trying to run a media analysis site that avoids saying anything, no matter how horrible, is actually bad. And because his usual solution to problems is to gut an article and lock it forever. He's been known to make ridiculous statements on the forums to the effect that criticism is bad, critics are horrible people who lack the ''sparkly gift'' of creativity, and that Yahtzee is a horrible bastard for making fun of a game he did some work on. He's fifty years old, hangs around on a forum full of maladjusted teenage anime fans who worship him (or they disappear) and looks like the bastard offspring of a drifter and Captain Ahab. In other words, he's probably doing it because can't figure out why everyone's so mean to Chris. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 10:02, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Talk:White knight

2012-01-17T18:02:56Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* TV Tropes */

Svenka really isn't the same sort of counter-troll as Robert Simmons V. Bob was actually a troll, who fought the trolls to gain Chris's trust and he turned out to be a pretty heck of a troll (see the church audio). Svenka is a troll who seems to be doing this because s/he thinks it's funny to fuck with us fucking with Chris instead of fucking with Chris. The two really are different sorts of creatures. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:23, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
: More importantly, is there a reason the church audio isn't mentioned in [[Robert Simmons V]] or [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 08:19, 5 May 2009 (CEST)
:* Actually, no, and I just think it's because people forgot it exists because it only came out like, a day before the date Chris had with Emily. That and no one felt like listening to an audio that was mostly a church sermon with Chris either singing loudly or saying "HMMMM, INTERESTING" very loudly to things the pastor was saying. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:27, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

==Chris is abusing his monthly tugboat==
Chris is stealing our taxpayer's money.. and I believe "Old Time Rock And Roll on Shredwud" is the worst example of him abusing his monthly tugboat.
Pulled out from one YouTube user's comment: "As Americans suffer the worst recession in living memory, with tens millions of people struggling to put food on the table and keep the lights on, a lazy, would-be rapist and pedophile spends his days playing video games at taxpayers expense."

Should I point this out as one of the few reasons why White Knighting should be justified?
--[[User:Shogun|shogun]] 05:30, 19 October 2009 (CEST)

==Redirects from Counter trolls and anti trolls==

I think these two ideas can be mentioned briefly in this article, but since they're not, I think they need to be in order to keep the redirect. It seems that anti-trolls and counter trolls are not the same as white knights.

White knights are people who see Chris and go "BAWWWWWWWWWW, he's an autistic, people are bullying him, I should troll them instead since they're being mean" or "LEAVE CHRIS ALONE!" I can't think of too many genuine white knights. Maybe Harbal was.

Counter trolls are people who see us and say "Wow, these fuckers spend all their time trolling a retard and that's fucking pathetic. I want to fuck things up for them." I think this might be Svenka's real intention, not so much a genuine concern for Chris but because she gets some joy of fucking up the efforts to fuck up Chris.

Anti-trolls are people who decide to work false flag and act like they're on Chris's side, fighting off trolls and making videos in hope of gaining Chris's trust. This is what Robert Simmons V more or less did, troll Chris by pretending to fight the trolls in order to gain his trust. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:34, 6 May 2009 (CEST)

: You're right, I made a mistake. This article already encompasses both white knights and counter trolls (with or without hyphen?) and I think it should stay that way because the listed reasons can apply to both groups. If it stays, it should be restructured a little and renamed to something like [[White knights and counter trolls]]. Then write a short article on [[Anti-troll]], or redirect it to [[Trolls]]? [[User:Axe|Axe]] 05:51, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Moar on the white knight antics ==

There's moar [[User:Anonymous/CWCville Archives#Quixotic Avenger/CriticalMindz (AKA No More Cyber Crimes/Quixotic Avenger, AKA 9v47w1hk0jyr|here]]. --[[User:Anonymous|Anonymous]] 07:29, 7 May 2009 (CEST)

== Block vs. Ban ==

Blocking and banning are different on Wikipedia. A ban is an outright, written "You [the person, not the account] are not allowed on Wikipedia anymore" instated by the ''whole community'', while a block is just ''one admin'' blocking the ''account''. [[User:Semicolon|Semicolon]] 03:51, 12 August 2009 (CEST)
: True - in case of Wikipedia. However, I was talking about Chris's behaviour websites in general. I don't mind either term being used in the article, though - in most other websites, these terms would be mostly synonymous. --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 11:18, 25 August 2009 (CEST)

==empathy==
In the Empathy section, there is a note that the people in question empathizing with Chris are autistic; it reads awkwardly because all auts lack empathy and are, by definition, psychopaths. --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:22, 9 December 2009 (CET)
*hahaha what? sauce plz --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 04:03, 9 December 2009 (CET)

== How serious should this article be? ==

There is a website called [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page RationalWiki] that primarily exists to uncover the lulz that pseudoscience pushers promote. (Think of it as ED for geeks, if it helps.) The contributors generally take a humorous approach on a lot of topics. Yet, at some point, they found out that the article on [http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Andrew_Schlafly Andy Schlafly] was ranked high in Google, so they decided that the article should be serious and factual in tone, so that people who're considering paying money for ''(*ahem*)'' high quality home-schooling tutoring and online courses at a family-friendly ''(*ahem*)'' encyclopedia would know what they're getting.

So this brings me to this question. This is a relatively important article, and I hope that most people read this early on when they first stumble into the big mess that Chris has made. This article is already fairly serious in tone, and is shaping up into a nice guide on the topic of "why helping Chris has been found futile, and why the trolls actually have a good point". Should we put in some deliberate effort and place in guidelines here to make sure this article stays that way? "This is an important article. Feel free to improve it. Just keep in mind, more so than usual, that you shouldn't ruin it." --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 14:58, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:Good thought there Wwwwolf. That's a question that covers more areas of the CWCki than just this article, and I've never really seen it addressed. Conventional wisdom seem to be:'If Champthom likes it, then it's good enough for me'. Problem is, I'm never sure what Champ actually likes. Policy time? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 16:30, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

::Perhaps a protocol (it sounds cooler than policy). You could set a number of guidelines/rules regarding how a page should be created and maintained. I think in light of the Wallflower incident it would be a good idea since the Cwcki should be held to a higher standard (than, say, the ED). Sounds like there should be a topic page on this issue. --[[User:Caboose_-1|Caboose_-1]] 22:33, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

:::We have some of those rules in place already. Style hasn't been addressed in detail though. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 17:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

::*Style is something we need to work on. However, let me address first this article and then about what makes a good CWCki page and the rationale of what I think is good.

:::To be honest, I'm not a fan of this page. It's very well written, don't get me wrong, but it's not very encyclopedic. It's more of an essay on why one shouldn't white knight for Chris than an article that one would look for information about past white knighting attempts for Chris. Personally, I'm not even a big fan of what constitutes a white knight since in some circles, anyone who doesn't want to see Chris hit in the face with a baseball bat is a "white knight." There's also a tendency to assume that people knew everything we know about Chris now back in 2008. Vivian's AIM chat with Chris is perceived as "white knighting" when this was back when people thought that maybe Chris could be reasoned with.

:::However, I tend to leave it be since it's an exception for the rule. If we were strict, then [[Audiobooks]] would need to go in the Fan index because there's plenty of other fan works Chris has mentioned before that don't have their own entries but it's the exception to the rule given the fact it's core of troll culture. Likewise, this article is an interesting look at meta-trolling, that is topics that arise from trolling Chris himself. Fuck, in a way this article could very be reworked to be called "Meta-trolling" but nobody would know what the fuck that means.

:::I think it's very possible to make this page better, though I'm not entirely sure how. I know ED has a template along the lines of "This article is good, don't fuck with it" so maybe something along the lines of this here?

:::Also, let me all let you in on a secret - I tend to run CWCki in a [[Wikipedia:Common law|common law]] fashion. I try to see myself as the judge, I generally look to Wikipedia to see how they handle things (in other words, established precedence) and as things come up here, I try to establish a precedent based on the circumstances and try to find a general principle to govern things. Ideally, a wiki should work that when people collaborate, some sort of order arises spontaneously that works for us.

:::Just like we're [[CWCki:NOTED|not ED]], we're also not Wikipedia. We're CWCki. We can do what works for us. I personally think we should lean towards Wikipedia than ED, but we have flexibility.

:::Now, what makes a good page and when should it be created? There's obvious cases when a page should be made - new media arises, that sort of thing. But what about something else? First, ask - "How does this relate to Chris? Is this something crucial into understanding Chris?" I recall around the time of the [[Father Call]], people wanted a page for Matt Devoria. But then you ask - "Can this material be incorporated into another page? Can it be done without going off on in another direction?" Easily Matt Devoria can be incorporated into the Father Call - otherwise, you have an article where it's along the lines of "Matthew Devoria is [[Kacey]]'s father" and that's it. Furthermore, is it essential to know who Matthew Devoria is outside the context of how he relates to Chris? Obviously you need to know something about [[Clyde Cash]] or any of Chris's sweethearts in order to understand why Chris is rambling on about these people and how they're connected to Chris. Then, ask "Is it exceptional enough to have an entire article written about it?" Someone pointed out that it was odd that [[Heather Inglesias]] has her own page despite being an off screen character while certain characters who have actually appeared in the comic have not. I believe such a page is warranted because the reasons ''why'' Chris created Heather (to appease people into thinking he's not a total homophobe, such that it would ruin his chances for china) gives us some insight into Chris's mind.

:::If I delete a page, it's usually for a few reasons. Obvious reason #1 is namefagging - someone thinks they're troll persona is SO COOL that they deserve an entire page about it (this hasn't happened in quite some time). Most common reason is usually because it's something that can be incorporated into another article or really doesn't deserve an entire article. I recall people making articles for those radio shows Chris appeared on and I deleted those articles because a one like reference to those shows could easily be made in the content they discuss (I think someone made an article for a transcript of the show, which is kinda iffy, IMHO. Need to consider that). A lot of the time though, it's people don't plan. They make an article, might write one sentence and that's it. You don't have to write the entire article in advance (though it helps), but at least leave an idea of what you're aiming at on the talk page so people know how to proceed. If you make a page, say "Chris and his parents," don't write a one sentence like "Chris doesn't get along with his parents (I'm not saying this should be a page, just an example). Sometimes it's not so much I delete a page because I think it shouldn't be a page but it's just so awful and all over the place that I think it should be scrapped and people start over. If it looks like people put considerable work into it, then I'll usually make a subpage of the original page creator's user page so they can work on it before making it a proper article again.

:::Style, I agree, is one thing we could work on, namely in tone and whatnot. But as I said, we do have flexibility and we can do what works. Personally, I'm not a big fan of setting everything in stone since that can ruin flexibility as people point to the rules and say "See? You have to do it MY way!" I do think that the [[CWCki:Style|Style guide]] needs some work in terms of tone. We really should be avoiding essays like this article and focus more on encyclopedic toned articles, yet still make articles pleasurable to read to encourage people to utilize the CWCki. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:16, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Champ, it's times like these that I remember how much I love you. You're saying you want some work on the style guide? --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 11:36, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

==TV Tropes==

I spotted a TV Tropes white knight attempt on the Sonichu page, so I added it. By the way, does this article need rewriting? I'm inclined to think so. -[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 00:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:Tropers aren't bad people, (though they are often people with incredibly bad taste). I assume whoever wrote that read this article in full, and really genuinely wants Chris to stop being such a monumental screwup. Their linking it back here is probably their way of admitting that it's (low-level) white knighting, and that it really is futile.
:Granted, it's all a moot point because Chris has never read TVtropes.
:Anyways I think this article is pretty good, but Ronichu, so far all your works have been awesome, so if you have plans to make it better, by all means go nuts.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 03:32, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not really sure if this can classify as "white knighting". It's "inadvertent white knighting" at best. They don't seem to have any intention of stopping the trolling or even acknowledge the trolls outside of "all your fans are trolls". Other white knights we have on here have directly tried to interfere with trolling/stop it. I don't think that's the case here. While Chris getting help might put an end to trolling him, I doubt they had that in mind, not that it's ever even going to happen. Basically, I'm saying, "should we just remove this section" or "can we re-write it to point out that their white knighting is unintentional"?--[[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]][[User:Anon1Guardian|DrSerbia]][[image:spinningwindmill.gif|30px]] 15:25, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

Anyone think Chris did infact see the message and erased it himself? [[User:SerenityMoonstone|SerenityMoonstone]] 21:32, 8 August 2010 ((EST))
:*That's not his style. If he saw it, based on the CWCki vandalism, he'd probably blank the page and then add a whole bunch of 'TVTropes is a load of BULL!' style comments. Subtley is not sonething Chris does, ever, with anything. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 18:54, 8 August 2010 (PDT)
:*It is known why it was taken down it was part of a general attempt to avoid flamebait and they knew someone somewhere would link Chris to the page and start an edit war. [[user:Comunist|Sam]]
::Actually it's because Fast Eddie is trying to run a media analysis site that avoids saying anything, no matter how horrible, is actually bad. And because his usual solution to problems is to gut an article and lock it forever. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 10:02, 17 January 2012 (PST)

White knight

2012-01-17T17:59:41Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* TV Tropes */

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[[Image:Jack's Knight as William Spicer.jpg|thumb|right|180px|Artist's conception. Bad artist, but still.]]

{{quote|Isn't there a white knight upon a fiery steed?|Chris, [[CWC Music Video Holding Out For a Hero|CWC Music Video ~ "Holding Out For a Hero"]]}}

'''White knight''' is a term used to describe someone who goes on the Internet to help or defend someone else on the Internet against other people on the Internet out of pity or compassion. White knighting of Chris is especially prevalent because of the unprecedented amount of abuse he has taken, which in turn is caused by Chris's total inability to heed the white knights in his life.

'''Counter-trolls''' are those who take Chris's side to spite his legion of [[trolls]]. Some do this because trolling one gullible idiot is less satisfying than trolling trolls, who actually have the ability to understand what is going on. Others have decided that Chris has jumped the shark and are trying to make everyone else leave him alone to put a stop to an old meme. Counter-trolls are not to be confused with [[anti-troll]]s, who fight trolls in order to get closer to Chris and troll him themselves.

A meta-topic within the broader Chris saga has been the merits of attempting to help Chris stop being such an epic lulzcow, and whether he is deserving of such assistance or even beyond help. The consensus on forums such as the talk page for Chris's [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] article, /cwc/, [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens (message board)|PVCC]], and [[Sonichu (IRC chat)|#sonichu]] is that Chris's [[racism]], [[Chris and Sex|homophobia]], and [[Chris and his Ego|narcissism]] make him beneath contempt; and that he has consistently refused to take advice given to him in good faith. White knights and counter-trolls are considered to be wasting everyone's time and trolls have little patience for them.

==Motives==

===Pity===
Following the release of Chris's first [[nudes|nude photos]] and the [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 21st, 2008|21 October 2008 video]] in which he reacted to the loss of his [[medallion]]s and [[Blanca]], many people, including trolls, felt sorry for him. They had not expected it to be possible for him to be trolled so hard or for him to appear so shattered.

===Empathy===
The Internet is full of autistic people, man-children, and self-absorbed morons. Many of them are right here, fascinated with Chris-chan. All of them see something of themselves in him, whether it's his all-consuming need for female companionship or his fervent belief that his homemade comics matter. A lot of white knights have made at least some of the mistakes Chris has made and have since wised up. They think they can help improve Chris by offering the benefit of their experience.

BAAAAAAAW! ''[[Kick the Autistic]]'' is a cruel game. Quit it!

===Circumstances beyond Chris's control===
There is ongoing debate about whether Chris is actually [[autism|autistic]]. Regardless, there is clear evidence that he suffers from serious mental deficiencies of some kind.

Chris [[fail]]s to identify people, a possible sign of [[Wikipedia:Prosopagnosia|Prosopagnosia]]. [[BlueSpike|Julie and her brother Max]] used the same voice, and yet Chris couldn't recognize that they were the same person. Pictures of different women were used to depict [[Blanca]], and yet Chris thought they were the same person. Chris believed that pictures of [[Wikipedia:Megan Fox|Megan Fox]] were of [[Wikipedia:Vanessa Hudgens|Vanessa Hudgens]].<ref>[[Vanessa AIM Chat 9|Vanessa AIM Chat IX]]</ref> In high school, Chris memorized his appearance in the mirror because he had trouble recognizing himself.<ref>[[Sonichu 7|''Sonichu'' #7]] - [http://thedailypos.org/misc/sonichu/Issue%207/SchuComic8Page24.jpg "...I had to train my brain to visually remember what I looked like..."]</ref> Since he probably hasn't "updated" his self-image, this is a possible explanation regarding why he denies being fat.

Chris cannot "read between the lines" or otherwise interpret subtlety. He interprets ''[[Family Guy]]'' as being against homosexuality.<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate March 10th, 2009]]</ref> When two male acquaintances exchanged sarcastic homosexual remarks, Chris concluded that they were gay.<ref>Anecdote by [[Mimms]].</ref>

Furthermore, Chris's upbringing was anything but ideal. All of these factors and probably many more have helped give us the man-child we know today.

===The trolls are even worse people than Chris===
Another frequently heard line of reasoning is that the trolls have gone way too far, and have demonstrated that they're even worse than Chris, or at least equally pathetic. For example, [[BlueSpike]]'s sadistic abuse of his control over Chris [[BLUESPIKE#Encyclopedia_Dramatica_Troll_War|outraged even trolls]]. And, of course, who really has no life here: Chris, or the people who [[CWCki|obsessively document and debate everything he does]]?

===For the sake of Barbara's sanity===
At this point in time it is safe to say that Chris's remaining parent has been just as fatigued as Chris by the actions of trolls. Some argue that [[Snorlax]] should not have to suffer for his wrongdoings, and therefore think that Chris should be left alone just so she can enjoy the last few years of her life in peace.

==Reasons against white knighting==
===Chris lacks empathy himself===
:''See also: [[Chris and death]] and [[Chris and his Ego]].''
Chris cannot put himself in your shoes or accept that you have been where he is. He has no "theory of mind": if you used to be as shy around women as he is today, in his mind the fact that you aren't shy anymore makes your experience inapplicable to his situation. To Chris, the fact you got over it and he hasn't yet makes the two cases entirely different. He doesn't want to solve his problems by trying what worked for you, he only wants you to pity him for having problems, until he magically dreams up [[Dating education|his own solution]].

:'''RocketFox:''' My father died of liver cancer and cirrohosis a day ago ;~; he drank a ton and it hurt him - I'm only 11 and I dunno what to do ;~;
:'''Chris:''' RocketFox, you will soon recover from your father's accident, I guess it is; DO NOT DRINK Alcohol yourself; STAY OFF THAT JUNK.<ref>[[IRC (16 October 2008)]]</ref>

Chris's interpretation of the death of RocketFox's dad as an accident shows that he didn't even bother to look up what cirrhosis is. Immediately afterward, he started talking about a sexy dance.

Chris's reactions to suicide are very telling. After [[Ryan Cash]] died because of Chris, Chris marveled at how much power he had right after he tried to publicly console [[Clyde Cash]].<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate December 28th, 2008]]</ref> When [[Sarah May]] attempted suicide because of Chris, his reasons for her to stay alive were "I'd feel terrible" and "I'd just cry."<ref>[[Mumble 8|Mumble #8]]</ref><ref>[[CWC Shout Out to Sarah May]]</ref> When Chris broke up with [[Ivy]], he somehow concocted, in his head, an assumption that she had committed suicide. Even after having lost so many dear friends to suicide, he still had no problems telling Clyde and [[Jack Thaddeus]] to [[death threats|kill themselves]]. Many people who have had to deal with suicidal people or have lost relatives and friends due to suicides themselves might not exactly find this amusing.

In the [[Common_Questions#22_February_2010|22 February 2010]] edition of the [[CWCipedia]]'s "Common Questions", Chris listed the top ten worst things to have ever happened to him. The deaths of "two True and Good Women who [he] had friendships with," [[PandaHalo]] and [[Sarah Jackson]], ranked seventh. Those tragic events ranked below getting banned from a game store, finding out two people from said store were posting info about him on ED, and having his personal websites hacked.

On [[Twin Falling Towers|1 November 2009]], Chris made a video involving Clyde being as "weak as the Twin Towers" and used his mouse cursor as a plane flying into them.<ref>[[Twin Falling Towers]]</ref>

When Rashid Ali Abdul, an Iranian [[fan]], told him that her country's religious authorities sentenced her to death by beheading for reading ''Sonichu'', Chris said that he was sorry and that the situation was "pitiful".<ref>[[Mailbag 8|Mailbag #8]]</ref>

While some of this can be attributed to Chris's [[autism]], a condition that often results in a lack of empathy, most autistics can at least learn how to express empathy through a combination of carefully reading the emotions of others and thinking about how a situation affects other people. Chris refuses to seek serious counseling or psychiatric help for this sort of thing - but that's another point.

===Autism does not excuse a terrible person===
Chris knows he has trouble understanding non-verbal social cues due to his autism,<ref>[[Quizzes#Autism Quiz]]</ref> and yet he still jumps the gun on interpreting other people's intentions all the time.

Autism, in and of itself, does not create a failure as massive as Chris Chandler. A majority of autistics manage to get psychiatric help for their problem and/or are able to develop social and emotional skills so they can cope with their disability and lead rewarding and rich lives. Yet while Chris acknowledges he has a problem, he refuses to do anything more than see the [[Rocky Shoemaker|pastoral counselor]] at his church, who is not a professional trained in the treatment of autism spectrum disorders.<ref>[[Vivian's AIM chat]]</ref>

Chris is fully capable of understanding the consequences of his actions. He has a sense of morality (even if he often ignores it in favor of his own selfish interests). He would be (and has been) held accountable for his own actions in a court of law (and rightfully so). The fact he is a racist, a homophobe, and a chauvinist have nothing to do with his autism.

===Chris is beyond pity===

[[Image:Chrischantwoface.jpg|thumb|right|Chris's mood is all over the place, even between videos posted shortly after each other. "[[Happy Sonichu Day|Thank you for your support]]"... "[[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|Goddamn womanizing raping trollin' stupid pickle-suited n—!]]"]]

Chris is capable of doing some very bad things when provoked, which is a quite understandable (if not acceptable) response to trolling. However, "provocation" in this case doesn't necessarily mean harassment or trolling. Merely disagreeing with Chris or asking him why he does what he does can provoke an attack, up to and including threats of violence and death. When Chris is annoyed, frustrated, or overcome by desire or lust, he's capable of doing ''nasty'' things. Moreover, when Chris loses it, he doesn't think of the consequences of his actions at all, and his expressions of outrage are completely out of proportion to the provocation — often more outrageous in themselves than whatever the trolls did.

Chris [[Yu-Gi-Oh!|insulted little kids]] during card games and scared some of them away from visiting [[The GAMe PLACe]]. [[Mimms]] and [[Lucas]], who frequented The GAMe PLACe and knew Chris in real life years before he was discovered by the Internet, couldn't list any redeeming qualities he possessed.

Chris sexually harassed a [[Megan|woman]] in real life. Megan made it explicitly clear to him that his physical contact and comments to her were unacceptable, but he continued anyway, convinced that eventually she would learn to love being molested by a mentally ill man-child and become his [[Sweethearts|Sweetheart From The Ground-Up]].

After Megan yelled at Chris for uploading [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|a picture of him fingerbanging her]] to [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]], he did not apologize,<ref name="Megan Saga">[http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Chris-chan/Megan_Saga Megan Saga]</ref> but rather explained to her (in a terribly [[naïve]] way) how a handjob works, under the misguided assumption that she merely was upset because she didn't recognize the sex act being performed, or in the hope that she would rationalize what he did on this basis. He then had the nerve to say to her, "I am hurting SOOOOO MUCH MORE than you can be."<ref name="Megan Saga"/> Why? Not because of the picture, but because the trolls were being mean to him. Yes, ''him''. Based on [[List of Chris's ED edits|his ED edits]], he was more concerned with people thinking he was fingering his [[Crystal Weston Chandler (sister)|imaginary twin sister]] than he was with defending Megan's honor.

After each of his online relationships ends, Chris starts looking for a new [[sweetheart]] right away, ''even if she died''. No matter the setback, his ego keeps getting bigger.

In mid-July 2009, he addressed a person named [[The July 10th Messages|"SonichuIzCool"]] on YouTube. SonichuIzCool was (''is'') probably the only genuine fan of ''Sonichu'' discovered to date, someone who tried to defend Chris and his comic. She was also genuinely mentally retarded. In his YouTube message, Chris called her "naïve and [[slow in the mind]]." He told her she had to "come out where [he] can meet [her]." Another side of this incident is that his YouTube account had been recently hacked, and he had managed to recover it this time, thus avoiding all of the nasty evil damage the trolls ''might'' have caused. After he posted this video, though, he got his account suspended due to ''his own actions''.

In early November 2009, in his attempt to blackmail Clyde Cash, Chris went so far as to mock the terrorist attacks of the [[Twin Falling Towers|World Trade Center]] on 9/11. When feeling angry at Clyde Cash, he not only thought it would be a good idea to blackmail him, but used the ''destruction of two skyscrapers full of people after being hit by airliners full of jet fuel and human beings'' as a metaphor for how weak he thought Clyde was. When people got angry, he tried to fix things by turning the WTC towers into cake candles. To the best of anyone's knowledge, Chris was never coaxed or encouraged by an outside source to use the WTC images. He came up with this reprehensible idea all on his own.

[[Image:MikesWedding.jpg|thumb|right|Happily forever after.]]

In January 2010, a fan named Mike Jackson asked Chris for advice, whether he should [[Mailbag 31#If your kids are 16 or 17, you should watch porn with them|watch porn with his family]] and [[Mailbag 35#In which Chris advises a father to buy his son whores|buy a prostitute for his son]], Mike Junior, or not. Chris, being such an [[Dating Education|expert]], encouraged him to do so. In the end Mike Jr. ran away with the prostitute, and Mike asked Chris to make a [[YouTube]] video asking his son to come back home. Unfortunately, Chris is under a lot of [[stress]], and could not make the video. Mike Jr. is now married to the prostitute in Las Vegas, and his father died from a sleeping pill overdose. Chris didn't even give a damn about the obituary linked by Mike's wife, and responded to his son's grief and anger with three words: [[Chris and remorse|"I am sorry."]]

===Chris cares only for himself===
Chris spends [[monthly tugboat|your tax money]] on luxuries and steals from his parents to buy [[PSN|video games]] he'll never play. He has the basic skills necessary to hold down a job, so long as it didn't require him to do much interacting with other people, and programs exist specifically to find appropriate jobs for the mentally challenged, but Chris hasn't even tried since being fired from [[Wendy's]].

Further reinforcing his selfishness and laziness, Chris and his family strongly agree it's better for him to hole up in his room and get paid for doing absolutely nothing than to seek out the challenge of finding gainful employment in the real world. This is based on the (quite possibly untrue) assertion that Chris can earn more on disability than from a job. By taking advantage of the government through vastly exaggerated claims of an easily manageable illness which they refuse to help Chris treat, Chris's parents are assured a steady income in the form of his room-and-board payments, and don't have to worry about Chris getting in trouble with the law [[Chris and the Law|again]] when he has another breakdown in public.

===Chris is not a good net citizen===
{{quote|I will have NO DISCUSSIONS GOING ON BEHIND MY BACK ON MY OWN WEBSITE WHATSOEVER!|Chris, on reader participation via [[Twitter]].}}
Chris is more concerned with spreading his own version of [[Honest Content|honest truth]] than being a good net citizen. He has adopted the mentality that most spammers have adopted: who cares about things like terms of service and account suspensions and masses of pissed-off people as long as his message gets through? He won't participate in the communities of the sites he posts on. This is not mere ''passivity'' in those communities, which might still be tolerable; he ''deliberately opposes'' such participation. Most people, while not bothering to contribute to communities, would not at least make deliberate efforts to hinder the community. On [[deviantART]], [[YouTube]] and [[Flipnote Hatena]], he disables all comments, probably because he knew he'd not get any praise anyway — yet this ignores the fact that open commenting is part of the nature of these sites and disabling comments should be done only if it's being clearly used for flagrant abuses of the system, like spam and votebotting. He regards YouTube purely as a video publishing venue and not as a tool for engaging in discussion with his "fans". He created his [[Wikipedia]] user page purely to spread his own message, and did not come to Wikipedia to participate in building an encyclopedia. If the site owners block him, he just comes up with another account or a sockpuppet. The thought of apologizing, getting old accounts reinstated, or the possibility that people who block him might be trying to send him a message never cross his mind.

Chris's behavior on [[CWCipedia]] provides many more examples of his selfish attitude, such as the banner ad crisis in late 2009. He doesn't understand what it ''really'' means that the website is neither hosted nor paid for by him personally, and what sort of things the administration typically does on a website like his. He can't or won't understand simple principles like "webhost's house, webhost's rules," or "beggars can't be choosers," but instead believes that since the site has his name on it, it should be run according to his every demand.

===Chris will reject your advice===
[[Image:0231-MrsSanfordsWiseWords.jpg|thumb|right|What are you going to tell Chris that his [[Virginia Jeanine Sanford|favorite teacher]] didn't tell him 15 years ago?]]
Someone [[White knight emails|carefully explained to Chris why he is a sexist]]. In response, Chris got angry. He is only interested in a guide on how to attract women without first making any changes to himself. Most ridiculous: he denies being overweight.

Read [[Vivitheg's AIM chat|Vivian's AIM chat]]. Vivian actually used to be a counter-troll, and warned Chris several times that [[PandaHalo]] was a troll. Chris fell for PandaHalo anyway. She then tried to talk some damn sense on him over AIM. But Chris proved to be so goddamn stubborn, she actually tossed the towel and became a troll out of spite. In Vivitheg's words: "i've tried for 3 hours now; it's like fighting a wall, i can't beat the wall no matter how hard i try." Not only has she long since joined the troll ranks, but Chris even began [[Sign Destruction Video|berating and sending threats]] to his biggest white knight ever.

===Chris will reject your disclosure of the truth===
* [[Hanna]] was a real life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Lori Lopez]] was a real life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Blanca]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[PandaHalo]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite [[Vivitheg]]'s warnings.<ref>[[Vivian Gee E-mails]]</ref>
* [[Robert Simmons V]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[JK Productions]] was a troll pretending to be an entire videogame development company, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Sarah May]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Sarah Jackson]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Julie]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Ivy]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it, despite warnings from the counter-troll that must not be named.
* [[Vanessa Hudgens]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Emily]] was a real life troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Kacey]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it. She also married [[CChanSonichuCWC|the TRUE and HONEST Christian Weston Chandler]].
* [[Father Call|Matthew, Kacey's father]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.
* [[Jackie]] was a troll, and Chris fell for it.

See a pattern here? Do you really think he will believe any evidence you send him proving that every fan he has, and pretty much every person he has been in contact with over the past year, is a troll?

===Chris's normal life is often weirder than the trolling===
Chris won't take your advice, so he will fall for trolling. Trolls do weird things and Chris believes almost everything. But even if Chris had no white knights or trolls, his life would still be weird.

Chris's own accomplishments, without any external suggestion or assistance, are sometimes even more jaw-dropping than what the trolls think up. His [[Chris and the Law#Law troubles|previous brushes]] with [[Jerkops|authority figures]] and his [[Attraction Sign|bizarre]] [[Fridays After Five|behavior]] during his outside leisure time are good examples.

===Chris asks for it, and always recovers===
Hellbent on spreading his version of the truth because he's TRUE and HONEST, Chris cannot realize that his edit warring on Encyclopedia Dramatica was practically a squeal begging for more trolling.

[[wiktionary:TMI|TMI]] is a tactic Chris uses that usually leads to him abusing himself. Since Chris insists on revealing the most minute details of his life to everyone he meets, the trolls always get more information to fuel further acts of trolling. White knights cannot stop our hero from being Honest.

Chris doesn't get embarrassed either. Oh, his nudes and lewd acts are all over the internet? No big deal! [[Captain's Log, Stardate April 28th, 2009|All adults do that kind of thing]], so what's the problem?

Chris managed to fully recover from the depressing [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 21st, 2008|21 October 2008 video]] mentioned above (and quite quickly, too) and proceeded to fail even harder for months. Likewise, despite professing great emotional distress, he bounced back from [[CWC is Sad|the loss of Kacey]] in [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|a matter of hours]]. So what's the problem?

[[Image:Chriscash.jpg|thumb|right|180px|True, true.]]

===Chris made himself an outcast===
High school and college are the places and moments where people are given their first and often only chance to become a functioning part of society. They gave Chris an even greater chance because he's [[autistic]]. They lent him a friendly, caring hand and opened themselves to his friendship, males and females alike. And what did Chris do? He ''refused, by choice,'' to associate with anyone who wasn't female, young, rich, white, and within the Charlottesville area.

When [[Mary Lee Walsh|the dean]] gave him a chance to reform his behavior, he kept going with his bullshit, and was rightly kicked out of [[Piedmont Virginia Community College]] for a full year. What did he learn from that? He learned that Mary Lee Walsh was an evil hag with a personal vendetta against him. He was given ''several'' chances to learn that his [[Attraction sign|loitering and soliciting]] were not appropriate behavior in a public place, and what did he learn? He learned that mall cops are [[Jerkops]], that [[Virginia is for Virgins]], and that his [[Love Quest]] was a matter of him against the world, with the world in the role of the villain. After he was kicked out of The GAMe PLACe (where he was again given more leeway than most people ever would have gotten, out of a sense of misguided pity), he was barred from the last place in Ruckersville that was still open to him, and left with only one place: his home.

Now, it's too late for Chris. He was given a friendly hand, but he angrily bit it, and that hand will never reach out to him again. He doesn't even belong in his own home anymore. He spends most of his time in exile in his fantasy land of [[CWCville]], the one and only place still open to him, and that place ''doesn't even exist''.

===[[Stress]]===
In order to get close to Chris, white knights have to spend at least as much time and effort as trolls to get up-to-date and to thwart the troll output. They'd probably have to lie and pretend to be a girl or video game designer to even capture his attention. This combined with Chris's usual responses is enough to make any sane non-professional psychologist [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 21st, 2008|crash into slumber]].

===Chris will not even read your message===
The spam filter is a powerful innovation of good ol' America Online. Any e-mails sent to his private address will be deleted, probably unread, and any e-mails sent to the [[Mailbag]], if they even get published, will be [[Mailbag 29|given one-word replies and ignored]].

===The trolling will not cease===
Even if white knights get to Chris somehow, there is no endgame in which Chris will be free from trolls before his death.

In school, Chris was trolled by his classmates. He was even trolled by one of his [[Joshua Martinez|real life friends]]. In college, he was trolled by friends who grew sick of his bullshit (e.g. [[Mimms]] and [[Lucas]]), and by [[Anna McLerran|girls]] [[Hannah|annoyed]] by his "attraction methods" and rampant, unabashed sexism. If Chris quit the Internet tomorrow, he would still be trolled by a society that refuses to tolerate ignorant man-children flouting its rules.

If everyone trying to create his next fake sweetheart suddenly got bored and quit, Chris would unwittingly seek out new trolls to take their place, and we know newfags are more than willing.

If Chris isn't assigned a custodian after his parents die, his story will probably end when he falls victim to some con artist who swindles him out of his [[monthly tugboat]] and perhaps his home. If Chris does get assigned a custodian, he will continue his antics until the custodian kicks him out or bans him from the Internet. If the custodian bans Chris from the Internet, that's Chris trolling himself.

If Chris gets institutionalized, he will attract real life trolls at the mental hospital. If Chris does not go into an institution and instead ends up in prison due to circumstances that cannot be foreseen, he will be trolled there as well.

If the entire world reforms and decides to leave Chris alone, his own sense of victimization will override any benefit. Consider that Chris felt persecuted simply by observing [[Jerks|males who had more success than himself]]. He regards legitimate assertions of authority as rank brutality. [[Adam Stackhouse]] managed to upset Chris to a degree that CWC observers rate among the most impressive to date, and he did it without even knowing that Chris existed at the time. Bleak as it is, unless Chris embarks on a program of radical self-improvement and/or learns some humility, and manages against the odds to shake off both his legions of abusers and seamy reputation, he will forever feel like a [[Kick the Autistic|thoroughly-kicked autistic]].

===The trolling helps Chris and, indeed, others===
If Chris were just some random nobody on the Internet, he'd be doing nothing but playing video games and occasionally drawing unsellable comics until his parents died. Then he'd be institutionalized. He'd remain without social skills, a virgin all his life, with no job, success or future.

Instead, Chris's antics have become a cultural phenomenon that — without exaggeration — is something extraordinary, unique, and which likely won't be replicated in any shape or form for years to come. Chris has secured his place among such luminaries as the Time Cube Guy and John Titor, and unlike the Time Cube Guy, you can actually comprehend what Chris is saying most of the time. Chris interacting with the world through his websites and YouTube has drawn in a crowd of people who are participating in an unprecedented, continual piece of performance art of a kind that would have been unheard of only a few years ago. He brings entertainment to thousands of people all over the world, an accomplishment that most could never dream of achieving — the kind of thing that would give Dane Cook a stiffy just to consider. His Internet fame is actually a sort of success in its own right, and may bring him further success. There are thousands of people out there that are so fascinated by him that they study his life on a daily basis.

One could argue that if Chris eventually "retired" from this comedy act by actually coming to terms with his problems, seeking professional help, and completely reforming (and selling media rights to his life's story to the highest bidder, like all sensible people would do), he could live the rest of his life secure and probably moderately wealthy. The troll audience would give him a standing ovation for entertaining them for as long as he did, and move on to the next piece of tragicomedy brought to us by the emerging Web technologies. We have seen far more messed-up celebrity stories already; Chris's tale is at least quite different from the norm and engaging.

What's more, the trolls provide him with an actual social outlet to learn and grow in life. Instead of being an unemployable, hideous, fat, virgin bedroom-dweller that nobody has ever heard of, he's an Internet-famous unemployable, hideous, fat, virgin bedroom dweller and this by itself increases his chances of getting friends and a girl. He may even end up employed, too, probably appearing in an advertisement or sponging off royalties from any biographical medium, whether it be a book, movie, or TV series. He could become the next William Hung if he put half an ounce of effort into it.

Also, Chris's constant failure at life has inspired [[Autism#Chris and other autistics|hundreds]] to self-improvement. Really, he's accomplishing a pretty good thing here.

===Chris treats "fans" and white knights like crap===
If you try to white knight him, his response is merely to block you on YouTube, AIM or any other messenger service and never respond. He accuses practically all white knights of being trolls. Quite ironic, isn't it? He screams "I'M STRAIGHT!" when you tell him up front that you're a guy. When you tell him his current "girlfriend" is actually a troll, he'll accuse you of wanting to "break up the relationship for the lulz." He'll be rude, won't listen and won't read between the lines. He will always bite the hand that feeds him, so you should just let him wallow in his own self loathing.

{{quote|Whatever.|Send Chris a 400-word, well-reasoned email — get a [[Mailbag 29#Whatever|1-word reply]] back.}}
{{quote|You can go f*** yourself.|[[Mailbag 43#Go Fuck Yourself, too!|A not-so reasonable reply]] to reasonable criticism.}}

Chris doesn't treat his (perceived) fans much better. Even aside from the SonichuIzCool incident mentioned above, Chris has severe problems answering questions from his fans (or trolls who pretend to be positive fans), and will often react in a hostile manner to everything he sees as negative or offensive. His [[Mailbag]] is the most obvious example. He hates being corrected, and tenaciously clings to his misinformed beliefs; his insistence that Asperger's Syndrome and autism are unrelated is a good example of this. When or if he's having a good day and manages to answer questions from fans at all, he often gives them very brief, one or two word answers that do not elaborate on anything, or outright ignore parts of the question. Not only is he terse, he's also slow to act; for example, it [[Brutal Legend Plus|took him three days to realize]] that a [[Brutal Legend|video he uploaded]] was seriously broken. He also promised that [[Sonichu Fan Promo|a spectacular fan creation]] would be officially featured in the ''Sonichu'' comic — and it ultimately was, ''over a year later''.

Most webcomics have a specific schedule that they have decided to follow. Many webcomics fail to live up to them – some less, some more; some for good reasons, some have no excuse whatsoever. Chris didn't have a set schedule for the comic for the longest time, but then agreed to update the comic on a daily basis, a schedule which even the most well-funded webcomic artists would consider particularly demanding. In February and March 2010, there have been few updates to the comic. When the inevitable complaints about schedule slip started to come, Chris snapped at his fans by saying that inspiration takes its time, forgetting that it was ''he'' who decided daily updates were the way to go. As the "Great Director Chandler", he could have the power to decide what schedule to follow, but instead, he chose to attack his fans.

==Examples==
:''Read: [[White knight emails]]''

===White Knights on YouTube===

Among the most notable of Chris's white knights was a [[YouTube]] counter-troll who claimed to be a 21 year-old Russian model named Svenka. Via her YouTube account, [http://www.youtube.com/user/hottiee96 hottiee96], she released an inordinate number of screencaps from troll conversations on [[Sonichu IRC]], including private conversations between Chris and [[PandaHalo]]. Also, she released an image of the [[Man in the Pickle Suit]] who would later steal Chris's first date, [[Emily]]. Were Chris less thick-skulled and even slightly willing to accept irrefutable evidence, Svenka may have made somewhat of a negative impact on the organized trolling effort against Chris, but ultimately she was ineffectual. Svenka also had a unhealthy obsession with the original curator of the [[CWCville Library]], Arjen Van Dierten.

On 6 [[May 2009]], YouTube user xThexPinchx/NorthxStar7/[http://www.youtube.com/user/ThePinchisDaBomb ThePinchisDaBomb] tried to blackmail major trolls, claiming to have information on them. He was easily called on his bluff by someone who had not trolled Chris at all.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/user/softerthanhardware YouTube]</ref> The Pinch has also threatened [[BlueSpike]] saying he has information from his friends but the thing is '''BLUESPIKE HAS NO FRIENDS'''.

====TV Tropes====
[http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Sonichu The TV Tropes article on ''Sonichu''] used to have a white knight message as the first text of the article, with a link back to this very page. The message is reproduced below:

{{quote|Hey Chris! If you're reading this: you seriously need to get help from licensed professionals, before the stuff you do [[28 October 2011|gets you thrown in prison]] or forcibly committed. And we're sorry, but you have no real fans - the people you think are your fans are really either trolls or laughing at you behind your back. Every. Last. One. Please listen to us - for once.|- Concerned tropers}}

Unfortunately, the editor in question and fails to realize that [[Chris and his ego|their message, while well intentioned, will do absolutely nothing]] and Chris will simply ignore it even if he does [[Mailbag 52|fully read and input it for better development. Thank you for your time.]] The message was later removed due Fast Eddie's ongoing attempts to prove himself an even bigger autistic man-child than Chris himself.

==Conclusion==
As good as your intentions may be, there is no conceivable way any mortal human alive can reach Chris and change him for the better. Your efforts will unfortunately fail, and he will just brush you aside, seeing no difference between you and the trolls. Nothing short of divine intervention, revelation, or a horrifyingly close brush with death will change him. You would be best to leave him be and find something else to do with your time. All we can do is hope that one of the three aforementioned scenarios happen at some point, [[Chris and Religion|though the first two seem highly unlikely]].

==Sources==
<references />

==External links==
* [http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/White_knight White Knighting] article at [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]].

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[[Category:Trolling]]

Homos

2012-01-17T17:19:47Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Hatred of homos */ Wait, it was 731 that did "injecting one thing's blood into another"

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[[File:CWCFlex.jpg|thumb|Sure, Chris, straight men often draw themselves like this.]]
{{Quote|I Am Straight; Vaginas and Boobies Give Me MY ERECTIONS; You Damn Homos have NO CHANCE with me EVER.|Chris, lying.<ref>[[Mailbag 31]]</ref>}}
{{Quote|I put a condom on the dildo and actually did put it up my, uh, A-hole. Uh...and uh, in my humble opinion, it just did not feel right to me. And uh, the anal beads, I just put 'em in there and they were, it's like... in. Not so stiff. So it was just that one time, then they got covered in poo, and I just, I put them in the trash can.|Chris<ref>http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/BlueSpike_PSN_Chat_3</ref>}}

'''Homos''' is the pejorative term by which [[Christian Weston Chandler]] refers to '''homosexual people''' almost exclusively.

From the very beginning of his [[Internet]] fame in [[2007]], his extreme opposition to homosexuality and his neurotic, obsessive demand that everyone [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE|"STAY STRAIGHT"]] have been one of his most noted and exploited aspects.

==Fear of being a homo==
[[Image:0067-Christian&Barbie.jpg|thumb|left|Chris tried to stay straight from an early age, by posing with Barbie.]]
[[Image:CWC new novel.png|thumb|A glimpse into the future?]]
[[Image:What Chris thinks he looks like.png|thumb|Chris shows his [[Rainbow|true colors]].]]

{{quote|"Yes, I am a homophobe; I fear them all, and I fear the tormenting temptations of falling off the straight path. But then I mentally, sometimes from a DVD (and if you'll pardon the expression), shove some pussy in my face. I tell you what, if I ever stoop down to changing my path, I might as well would get a [[Tomgirl|gender change operation]]."|Chris <ref>E-mail to Megan, "I'm sorry... *[[sigh]]*:; Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 3:10 pm</ref>}}

Chris's homophobia is just that: he is literally afraid of homosexuality and of anything that could conceivably cause a straight person to be "leered off the straight path." His terror is such that he can barely bring himself to even utter the word "gay" or any other term concerning gay people, except of course for "homo". He has said that he cannot even look at a picture of a [[pickle|penis]] without being "freaked out"<ref>[[CWC's Second Message]]</ref> and he has cited [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|several techniques]] he believes are necessary to maintain his sexual attraction to women.<ref name="ReferenceA">[[Mailbag 3#Hypnotize away the gay|Mailbag #3]]</ref><ref>[[Mailbag 3#Sexy posters|Mailbag #3]]</ref><ref>[[Mailbag 4#Dissolving homoerotic thoughts in stomach acid|Mailbag #4]]</ref>

Chris is also convinced that chances of homosexuality are raised as a direct result of not engaging in heterosexual intercourse before maturation,<ref>http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php/Dating_Education</ref> his [[Dating Education]] classes naturally being the reasonable solution to preventing people from becoming homos. He continues to attempt to wildly assert his straightness (and fail at it), using anything from the [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail]] to objects as strange and totemic as his [[Optimus Prime]] toy.

==Hatred of homos==
Chris's animosity towards gay people seems to result primarily from his fear of them and their supposed ability/desire to make him gay. He has often characterized the [[trolls]] as homos, which is either a basic ''ad hominem'' attack or a sincere belief that anyone who draws penises on [[Rosechu]] must be gay.

Notably, in [[IRC (02 January 2009)|an IRC chat]] from 2 [[January 2009]], Chris made this statement:

{{quote|if I could have it my way, I'd make it illegal and forbidden to have homo Men; women are safe. Also, I would have the secondary definition of the word "gay", being Homosexual, REMOVED from the word in the dictionaries, and all instinctions [sic] and sayings of the word will ONLY LEGALLY be used to mean HAPPY, as it was originally intended among songs like "[[Wikipedia:Deck the Halls|Deck the Halls]]"|Chris, 2 January 2009, 11:59}}

[[Image:Bionic2.jpg|thumb|Chris projects his repressed homosexuality onto [[Bionic|one of his own abominations]].]]

He added that gay men should be incarcerated in prisons with female offenders and be provided with access to prostitutes, arguing that they would come out "reprogrammed" into healthy, law-abiding heterosexuals.

On [[Captain's Log, Stardate February 18th, 2009|February 18, 2009]], Chris issued a retraction of his previous homophobic remarks and declared that he respects "the gay people" like he respects his [[gal pals]] and his [[sweethearts]]. However, this was mostly done at the insistence of [[Julie]]; by [[Captain's Log, Stardate March 10th, 2009|10 March 2009]] Chris was reciting verses from the Bible to justify his position against homos.

[[Image:Sonichuspore1.png|thumb|"ALL Sonichus are [[Homos|STRAIGHT]]!"]]

In Chris's ''Carrie'' rip-off, "[[The High School Story]]", Chris's Mary Sue character, Terrah LeAnne Yowman, is called a lesbian by kids at her high school, because she hangs around with guys all the time.

{{quote|She felt angry when she heard "Lesbian"; when called that, she would leave the bully an intimidating [[The Creepy Stare|glare]] with a purple glow from her green eyes. Then soon after, a [[Christian Weston Chandler|Strong, Straight Homophobe]] would attack that bully with [[Chris and religion|No Mercy]]; beat the crap out of that person.|"[[The High School Story]]"}}

On 14 [[June 2009]], he created a video called ''[[Don't Trust Any Homos Over There]]'', which in the Chris-chan tradition of ruining everything you ever loved is a homophobic version of [[Wikipedia:Uncle Ruckus|Uncle Ruckus]]'s song "Don't Trust Them New Niggas Over There" from [[Wikipedia:The Garden Party|the pilot episode]] of ''[[Wikipedia:The Boondocks|The Boondocks]]''.

Later on in the day, he published an apology for the video called ''[[I'm Sorry, Dude]]'', and insisted that he likes gays who "ac— ...accomplish other things, like [[Wikipedia:Stephen Fry|Stephen Fry]], who was a homosexual, but y'know he did a good job being a narrator on ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]''." This quote, of course, displays Chris's ignorance, as Stephen Fry is also a famous actor, comedian, writer, narrator (on things other than ''LBP''), and author of some extremely witty and charming blogs that have a large Internet following, as well as being an advocate for gay rights. This apology was only posted for the sake of his [[gal pal]] Kim's boyfriend, whose gay brother apparently lost both his arms in Iraq.

Curiously, Chris goes out of his way to state that the children of Sonichu and Rosechu are watched over by [[Heather Iglesias]], whom he characterizes as "a pretty, trustworthy, good natured Spanish Lesbian."<ref name="Cwcipedia: Sonichu">[[Cwcipedia]]: "Sonichu"</ref> He further mentions that Heather keeps her sexuality a secret from the kids at the request of Sonichu himself.<ref name="Cwcipedia: Sonichu"/> It is unknown why Chris mentions this, given that he has vacillated wildly in the past in his feelings on lesbianism, sometimes [[Mumble 1|coming out in support]] and other times [[CWC "Boyfriend"|condemning it]], or why the character is both Hispanic and a lesbian.

Chris occasionally tries to say he respects homosexuals for who they are. However, he repeatedly betrays his intolerance of different lifestyles, often within the same statement.

{{quote|"I personally respect the individual people as fellow human beings, and I am cool with associating with them as acquaintances and friends, but Please Do Not Wave Around what you do behind closed doors around me; NOBODY CARES TO KNOW; I PERSONALLY DO NOT CARE TO KNOW. Even within my imagination, I Do Not Care to even have the pictures Randomly Pop up in my head."|Chris <ref>http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php/Homosexuality</ref>}}

Because it's OK for him to wave around his degenerate sexuality and showcase real life pictures of his disgusting activities, but God forbid a well-adjusted male adult mention they love other men.

On 8 July 2009, Chris left a comment on a PSN News Post in reference to a Unity avatar.<ref>http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/07/08/attention-fighting-fans-prove-youre-the-best-around/#comment-241496</ref>

{{quotebox|Hey, the Street Fighter Tourney is good news, but I have a concern about the person who left the message.

His Avitar…

If that icon is WHAT I THINK IT IS, I AM OFFENDED; please change your Avitar, dude.}}

On [[Captain's Log, Stardate July 26, 2009|July 26, 2009]], Chris goes so far as to call "gay" a synonym for "stupid."

In the [[Mailbag]] section of the [[CWCipedia]], Chris describes at length his idea for his comic self to travel to the future, where scientists have successfully isolated the "homo gene" (an idea stolen from [[Wikipedia:Family Gay|this episode of]] ''[[Family Guy]]''). They have not, however, isolated the "straight gene", and are only able to when Chris donates his own blood (Chris has once remarked that [[Wikipedia:Unit_731|homosexuality could be cured by injecting blood from straight men into homosexuals]], or by imprisoning gays in [[Rape|co-ed prisons]]). This storyline finally came to light in [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris amended this plan to not only bring back a couple of syringes, but also enough of the "cure" to turn every gay person on Earth straight.

[[Jack Thaddeus]] purchased advertisement space on the [[CWCipedia]] to put up two ads on the site. One of them was an ad featuring Peter Griffin of ''[[Family Guy]]'', pointing out that he and his creator, Seth MacFarlane, were supportive of gay rights. In retaliation, Chris blew his stack, [[ChrisChanSonichu and WikiSysop correspondence|stating]]:

{{quote|I understand you getting paid to run ads in that box on the Cwcipedia. I feel okay with [[Vivian]]'s [[Audiobooks]], BUT I feel OFFENDED with the Mexico Contest and Gay-Rights Ads. The Pickle on the Mexico ad reminds me of a terrible time in my past with Pickle-Suited TROLLS, and '''I AM AGAINST HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLES and FOR STRAIGHT HETEROSEXUALITY.'''

Please Remove, or Change the Images of, THE TWO ADS.

And in the future, if you plan on adding more advertisements, INCLUDING the associated images, Please run them by me in a message for my personal Approval BEFORE you start running the ads.

Thank you.|Chris<ref>http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=User_talk:WikiSysop#The_New_Ad-Links</ref>}}

In a [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|phone call]] with [[Jack Thaddeus]], Chris stated that he assumed that a friend of Jack's was gay when he heard that he had AIDS.

On Christmas Day, [[2009]], the Sysop at the CWCipedia added a Twitter onto the webpage. Two days later, Chris saw this and flew into a tizzy, wanting the Twitter off as he didn't want any "homo trolls" talking behind his back.

Around New Year [[2010]], Chris replaced Jack Thaddeus's gay-friendly ads with ads for [[wikipedia:Love In Action|Love In Action]] (an "ex-gay" ministry), ProtectMarriage.com (a site promoting [[wikipedia:California Proposition 8 (2008)|Proposition 8]]), and a site that calls for a boycott on Pepsi due to their gay-friendliness. In another ad, he also suggested that [[wikipedia:Avatar (2009 film)|''Avatar'']] was a ''totally'' straight film. To sum it up: Ex-gay campaigns, Proposition 8 and ridiculous consumer boycotts - in one fell swoop, Chris managed to put in three big things that do ''not'' win himself any gay friends whatsoever and prove all of his previous "respect" for gays is nothing but idle words.

On 5 [[January 2010]], Chris responded to a [[Mailbag]] letter addressing the homosexual subject. In the answer, Chris stated that [[Magi-Chan]] keeps a constant psychic-surveillance to ensure that there are no homos in CWCville. When evidence of homosexuality was found in a couple, the people involved would be arrested and fined heavily.

Then, on 7 January, when answering the question of how he began hating the gay population, we got this interesting insight...

{{quote|I estimate that I started hating them about Summer, [[2003]] just after I started my Sweetheart Search, where I received the response from one woman, "Ooh, I'm sorry, I am a Lesbian." That, combined with my PAST dislike of MEN in general AND the later pictured images of such acts led me to DISGUST AND HATRED FOR THE HOMOSEXUALS. Plus ALL of the Homos within the Trolls AND all Homosexual Fans with their WRONGFUL Quoting of MY comics and characters in THEIR PAPERS and ESSAYS promoting homosexuality, and EVEN WORSE a Sonichu BALLOON in one of their God DAMED Pride Parades!!! ALL OF THESE FACTORS have ONLY made my view of the Homosexual Males WORSE!|[[Common Questions#Answered 07 January 2010|Chris, before finally stating (for the umpteenth time) that Sonichu is straight.]]}}

Not only is this ironic, considering his current views on lesbianism, but it adds another interesting aspect to his hatred: Chris's frustration with homos is influenced by him being childish and whiny about not getting his way, just because ''one'' woman turned him down. We wouldn't expect anything different from him.

On 12 January, Chris appeared to soften his stance, saying that "Firstly, I am decreeing that homosexuals will have equal relationship rights within [[Cwcville]], yet gay marriage is still Illegal and Wrong. And [[Magi-Chan]] will stay out of those people's heads under my request."<ref>[[CWC Blog#12 January 2010]]</ref> Of course, it's not clear how gays can have "equal relationship rights" if they can't marry, but Chris tends to be pretty weak on logic.

On 30 [[January 2010]], Chris voiced his opinion about the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the American military. He is for the lifting of the ban so that "[[Mailbag 49#Chris loves his country|the homos can go die in explosions]]."

On 15 [[August 2010]], [[Bob]] showed the same kind of hatred and prejudice as his son does for "DA HOMOS". In the [[Matthew Noble call]], Bob said that he believed that a few homosexual kids were working alongside [[Michael Snyder|Mike]] and [[Megan]] to get Chris banned from The GAMe PLACe.

==Why Chris appears to be gay==

[[Image:564Homos.jpg|thumb|left|At least Chris doesn't [[fail]] at cataloging pictures. [http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Homosexuality No, it's not a shoop].]]

[[Image:CWCMonica.jpg|thumb|Oh lawd, is dat some lipstick on Chris?]]

{{quote|First off, should such images [of men's asses] enter your mind at random, just stop yourself. I have had this problem too. I would take all such images when they enter my mind and just delete them; I imagine, in my mind, rolling them all into a ball, shrinking it down, and tossing them into a garbage can that links to my Stomach through a direct bodily vein. I imagine the feeling of it falling through the vein and making its splash landing into the stomach acid and dissolving; gone forever.|[[Mailbag 4|Mailbag #4]] - Chris admitting he's had homoerotic fantasies.}}

[[Image:RainbowChris.jpg|thumb|Fun Fact: [[Rainbow]] colors are the internationally recognized colors for the gay pride movement.]]
[[Image:Sonichuballs.jpg|thumb|For someone who claims to be straight, Chris sure does love talking about BALLS. Also, balls are touching.]]
[[Image:0430-ChristianWTallStack2.jpg|thumb|That's one [[pickle|phallic]] [[Lego]] tower you're building there, Chris.]]
[[Image:Chris-Straw.jpg|thumb|Why do I get the feeling he wants to suck a [[duck]]?]]

Ironically, the harder Chris [[Captain's Log, Stardate January 12th, 2009|tries to convince people]] he's straight, the gayer he appears. He has absolutely no awareness that an uptight, milquetoast, colorfully-dressed, squeaky-voiced man saying "I am straight! I have a subscription to ''Playboy''!"<ref>[[CWC Update 18 January 2009]]</ref> every five minutes looks like he has something he's trying to hide. Furthermore, the more we learn about Chris, the more gay he really appears to be.

* Christian has stated that if he were unable to stay straight he would undergo sex reassignment surgery; he would rather be female than gay. It should be noted that straight men never, ever, put this much thought into this hypothetical dilemma.<ref>[[Mumble 1]]</ref>
* He collects [[My Little Pony]] figures well into early adulthood.
* For a straight man, he sure does [[Semen#Transcript|consume a lot of semen]]. Likewise, the idea of [[Kacey Phone Call|licking his own ejaculate]] off one of his gal-pals sexually arouses him.
* Like many gay men, most of his [[gal-pal|"friends"]] were female and he never slept with any of them.
* In a [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3|PSN Chat with Julie]], Chris admitted that he randomly has images of penises (his own and others he's seen in porn) pop into his head. He also claims to hear voices in his head that say "Christian is gay." Unless Chris is having ''very specific'' auditory hallucinations, it's likely he has homoerotic daydreams and freaks out about it. In the same chat he sounded ''delighted'' describing the first time he saw semen in a porno movie as a teenager.
* He owns, or at least has owned, anal beads and a vibrator, and he is on record as having experimented with putting both toys in his anus. In a chat during the [[Vanessa Saga]] on 16 [[April 2009]], he claimed that he no longer shoved things up his ass, except for "a narrow jet of water from my adjustable shower-head on a hose."<ref>[[Vanessa IRC Chat 3|Vanessa IRC Chat III]]</ref> Although it is quite possible to stick things up your butt and still be straight, people who are terrified of being turned gay generally do not do this.
* Chris said that he would put something up his ass for [[Ivy]] "in a heartbeat," including a large fake dick, and would let her fuck him with a strap-on.<ref>[[Vanessa IRC Chat 7|Vanessa IRC Chat VII]]</ref>
* Chris said that he might let a gay guy fuck him if Ivy wanted that.<ref>[[Vanessa IRC Chat 9|Vanessa IRC Chat IX]]</ref>
* During their correspondence, [[Jackie]] told Chris she was curious about anal sex.<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 5]]</ref> Instead of taking it to mean she wished to be penetrated from behind (as most men would have understood it), Chris thought she wanted to use a strap-on/anal bead on him and said he would comply. In her next email, Jackie clarified her intentions but said she was open to the prospect of being the penetrative partner,<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 6]]</ref> leading a jubilant Chris to discuss his past anal experiences in detail.
* Christian argues that the vibrator and anal beads were sent to him as a gift with an order of straight pornography; he did not ask for them or pay for them. However, according to [[List of Chris's Adam & Eve purchases|the receipts]] that were uncovered by trolls, Chris specifically asked for the anal beads as the gift.
* Chris kept the vibrator around for months.
* In the [[Chris Sex Logs]], Chris shows off a dildo to [[PandaHalo]]. He immediately suggests the phallic sex toy is something that [[Sex_Logs#This_is_my_dildo|goes up your butt]], and then immediately denies it's been up his butt. He also says having a dildo in your butt "will feel good."
* On [[Captain's Log, Stardate February 5th, 2009|5 February 2009]] Chris posted two videos stating that he was coming out of the closet as a gay man. He later issued a retraction which was far less persuasive.
* When negotiating for the safe return of his PSN account from [[Max]], Chris was given the choice of burning his [[medallion]] or shoving it up his ass. Chris immediately chose to shove it up his ass.
* Chris thought a straight woman would be turned on by a [[nudes|close-up picture of his anus]].
* He wears a pink [[Belt Buckle of Fail|belt buckle]].
* He owns a set of [[anime wings]] which are basically hair clips. And hair clips are for women.
* His best man at [[CWC's "It's All Coming Back To Me"|his wedding]] is [[Sarah Hammer]] in drag.
* He sang "I Love the Nightlife" on his [[Chris's Big Night Out|visit to a local bar/restaurant]], which is popular at gay clubs and drag revues.
* [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys (album)|''Christian and the Hedgehog Boys'']] features two covers of the [[Wikipedia:Backstreet Boys|Backstreet Boys]], one cover of a [[Britney Spears]] song, and one cover of a [[Wikipedia:Ricky Martin|Ricky Martin]] song. This music was popular among thirteen-year-old girls when it was new and is popular among the gay community today.
* [[muscle bra|He wears a bra.]] In fairness, he uses it to [[Fridays After Five|try to attract women]].
* He [[Clyde is Weaker than Water|implores men to wear bras]] because looking at shirtless men makes Chris uncomfortable,<ref>[[Mailbag 55#On brassieres|Mailbag 55]]</ref><ref>[[Mailbag 55#Draconian_fun.21|Mailbag #55]]</ref> possibly arousing latent homosexual urges.
* When you look up "Homosexuality" in Chris's [[CWCipedia|own web encyclopedia]], you ''literally'' see his own portrait (as shown on the screencap at the top of this section).
* In the [[PS3 History Level]] video, he showed that he actually owns a copy of [[Wikipedia:Sex and the City (film)|''Sex and the City'']] (the film) when he showcased his then current collection of [[PS3]] games and movies.
* In his response to a letter in [[Mailbag 4]] about "impure" homoerotic thoughts, Chris confesses that he "[has] had this problem too," and has to resort to deleting them through a curious process that involves dropping the thoughts into his stomach acid, lest the gay gene take its toll.
* Chris reacts to [[Alec Benson Leary]]'s ''[[Asperchu]]'' comics by giving the all the characters a free makeover.
* In [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris donates some of his "straight blood" to doctors in the future so that they could make a vaccine against homosexuality. Vaccines are made from people who have the virus being fought.
* One of Chris's ''[[ModNation Racers]]'' vehicles is called "A Man's Toy", which is a light blue carriage with [[rainbow]] lollipop wheels and a message that says "Tea parties are good and nice" on the rear end of the carriage.<ref>http://community.modnation.com/en-us/players/Sonichu/creations/1296110</ref>
* In the guise of his trollsona [[JenkinsJinkies]], Chris used [[Trollin' Train]] to go into far more detail than was necessary about a supposed homosexual encounter, describing various acts with a relish out of place for someone who claims to be disgusted by the mere thought of a penis.
* He made a drawing of [[Punchy Sonichu|Punchy]] [http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Punchylaylalove.jpg wearing panties and bra].
* He also made a [[:File:SchuSoneeRosey.jpg|drawing]] of a [[Sonee & Rosey|Sonee and a Rosee]] in which the hairless spot on the Rosee's abdomen looks like an erect penis.
* The [[Scrapbook of Fail]] contains a [[:File:115-CWCEmbarassed.jpg|self portrait of Chris]] as the ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' character [http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Magician_Girl Dark Magician Girl].
* He [[Tomgirl|voluntarily dressed up as a woman]], went out in public and used [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Girly Things Tee Hee|the woman's washroom]]. While not all cross-dressers are homosexuals, men who are afraid of being seen as a homosexual generally do not take a disturbing amount of pride in cross-dressing in public.

==Defenses against becoming homo==
[[Image:CWCIsSTRAIGHT.jpg|thumb|According to Chris, heterosexuals defend their sexuality by taping index cards indicating their straightness to their shoes (while stomping on [[vibrator]]s). Srsly.]]
It's hard work for a warrior of true love and honesty to stay straight. Luckily, Chris has a [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|Sailor Moon poster]] which he stares at everyday to stave off temptations of homosexuality.

Chris also subscribes to ''[[Wikipedia:Playboy|Playboy]]'' to help keep himself straight. You can tell he's straight because when he's explaining what he finds attractive in women it only takes five seconds for him to get around to boobies and [[China|vaginas]].

When homosexual (or potentially homosexual) [[trolls|fans]] sent Chris questions on the [[CWCipedia]] asking for tips to STAY STRAIGHT, Chris tends to offer what essentially amounts to self-brainwashing. Some of his ideas include thinking of naked women and how awesome they are, and imagining being struck by painful lightning whenever a homosexual thought occurs with an extremely severe and disproportionate punishment.<ref name="ReferenceA"/> He also clarifies that one need not buy their own poster of fail; any poster featuring attractive women (preferably in bikinis and looking sexy) will do the trick.

To prevent future homos, he also encourages women to not drink, smoke, or be physically abused while pregnant because he believes this could cause the baby to be born homosexual.<ref>[[Mailbag 5#Daniel Tammet/Punching your baby will make it gay|Mailbag #5]]</ref>

In ''[[Kill De Jack]]'', Chris reveals another one of his defenses against becoming a homo: he covers a section of his "[[CWC-ism|computer]]" (we can assume that he means "computer screen") with a piece of paper so that he can browse [[CWCipedia]] without looking at [[Jack Thaddeus]]'s ads featuring pictures of homosexual men.

It seems that the centerfold poster of [[The_Simpsons#Marge_Poster|Marge's ''Playboy'' magazine]] has become one of Chris's many defenses against becoming a homo. The fact that she's married has [[kacey|no bearing on Chris's desires]].

{{quote|But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart.|-Matthew 28, [[Chris and religion|something Chris has probably never read, nor wouldn't care to read.]]}}

==Chris on his alleged homosexuality==

[[Image:CWCRockin4Way.jpg|thumb|"If I was a homosexual or anything like that, would I not be [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 10th, 2009|having sex with THREE WOMEN?"]]]]

* "I AM STRAIGHT, DAMN IT! I WILL NOT BE VEERED INTO ANY OTHER DISGUSTINGLY GROTESQUE DIRECTION!!!!!"<ref>[[Masturbating and squirtin']]</ref>
* "I'M STRAIGHT! I'M STRAIGHT! '''YOU'RE THE HOMOS!''' EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU!"<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate August 3rd, 2008]]</ref>
* "I'm straight, don't doubt me!"<ref>[[PS3 History Level]]</ref>
* "Listen, as hard as you fucking can, I CAME OUT OF MY AUTISTIC [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet|CLOSET]] AS A STRAIGHT MAN, and NOTHING ELSE. SO YOU IMMATURE JERKS CAN JUST FUCK OFF."<ref>[[IRC (20 January 2009)]]</ref>
* "Yep, you heard me. I am...a [[gaybian|gaaaaaaaaay...bian]]."<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate February 5th, 2009#Transcript of the First Video]]</ref>
* "Anyway the, uh- anyway so, to get to the point...fine. I'm guhh. I'm gaaaay. I'm gaay. I said it...OK. Yep. So...did I really come out of the closet there? That just depends on y'all- how y'all understand it."<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate February 5th, 2009#Transcript of the Second Video]]</ref>
* "And look at me. Do I look like- [*shakes head in disagreement*] '''No more of those stupid acquisition messages!''' Get it through your fucking, individual, damn, dirty SKULLS! '''I. Am. STRAIGHT!'''"<ref>''[[I Am The TRUE, Original Christopher Christian Weston Chandler; No Ifs, Ands or Buts]]''</ref>

Curiously, in his own [[A Public Announcement for Congress|campaign ad]], Chris announced a promise of "gay marriage ability for every state within the United Nations." Suffice to say, this has not helped him in the polls.

==Fan videos==

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| Stardate = 5 January 2010
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==See also==
{{CWCipedia|chris=Homosexuality}}

* [[Chris and sex]]
* [[Chris and religion]]
* [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet]]
* [[Don't Trust Any Homos Over There]]
* [[Gay 4 Sonichu]]
* [[Gaybian]] (a "male lesbian", according to Chris)
* [[It's UGH!]]
* [[Rainbow]]
* [[Reldnahc Naitsirhc]]
* [[Magi-Chan]]
* [[Heather Iglesias]]
* [[Tomgirl]]
* [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]]
==Sources==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyO3pnkI3H4 CWC (Ian Brandon Anderson) finally admits it.]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE9hdbiwA3k Chris-chan is sick of the lies!]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOpGtblij8Y Chris-chan proves those slanderous trolls wrong.]

{{CWC-isms}}

[[Category:Homos]]

Homos

2012-01-17T17:17:40Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Hatred of homos */

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[[File:CWCFlex.jpg|thumb|Sure, Chris, straight men often draw themselves like this.]]
{{Quote|I Am Straight; Vaginas and Boobies Give Me MY ERECTIONS; You Damn Homos have NO CHANCE with me EVER.|Chris, lying.<ref>[[Mailbag 31]]</ref>}}
{{Quote|I put a condom on the dildo and actually did put it up my, uh, A-hole. Uh...and uh, in my humble opinion, it just did not feel right to me. And uh, the anal beads, I just put 'em in there and they were, it's like... in. Not so stiff. So it was just that one time, then they got covered in poo, and I just, I put them in the trash can.|Chris<ref>http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/BlueSpike_PSN_Chat_3</ref>}}

'''Homos''' is the pejorative term by which [[Christian Weston Chandler]] refers to '''homosexual people''' almost exclusively.

From the very beginning of his [[Internet]] fame in [[2007]], his extreme opposition to homosexuality and his neurotic, obsessive demand that everyone [[Christian Weston Chandler's FUTURE MESSAGE|"STAY STRAIGHT"]] have been one of his most noted and exploited aspects.

==Fear of being a homo==
[[Image:0067-Christian&Barbie.jpg|thumb|left|Chris tried to stay straight from an early age, by posing with Barbie.]]
[[Image:CWC new novel.png|thumb|A glimpse into the future?]]
[[Image:What Chris thinks he looks like.png|thumb|Chris shows his [[Rainbow|true colors]].]]

{{quote|"Yes, I am a homophobe; I fear them all, and I fear the tormenting temptations of falling off the straight path. But then I mentally, sometimes from a DVD (and if you'll pardon the expression), shove some pussy in my face. I tell you what, if I ever stoop down to changing my path, I might as well would get a [[Tomgirl|gender change operation]]."|Chris <ref>E-mail to Megan, "I'm sorry... *[[sigh]]*:; Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2007 3:10 pm</ref>}}

Chris's homophobia is just that: he is literally afraid of homosexuality and of anything that could conceivably cause a straight person to be "leered off the straight path." His terror is such that he can barely bring himself to even utter the word "gay" or any other term concerning gay people, except of course for "homo". He has said that he cannot even look at a picture of a [[pickle|penis]] without being "freaked out"<ref>[[CWC's Second Message]]</ref> and he has cited [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|several techniques]] he believes are necessary to maintain his sexual attraction to women.<ref name="ReferenceA">[[Mailbag 3#Hypnotize away the gay|Mailbag #3]]</ref><ref>[[Mailbag 3#Sexy posters|Mailbag #3]]</ref><ref>[[Mailbag 4#Dissolving homoerotic thoughts in stomach acid|Mailbag #4]]</ref>

Chris is also convinced that chances of homosexuality are raised as a direct result of not engaging in heterosexual intercourse before maturation,<ref>http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php/Dating_Education</ref> his [[Dating Education]] classes naturally being the reasonable solution to preventing people from becoming homos. He continues to attempt to wildly assert his straightness (and fail at it), using anything from the [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail]] to objects as strange and totemic as his [[Optimus Prime]] toy.

==Hatred of homos==
Chris's animosity towards gay people seems to result primarily from his fear of them and their supposed ability/desire to make him gay. He has often characterized the [[trolls]] as homos, which is either a basic ''ad hominem'' attack or a sincere belief that anyone who draws penises on [[Rosechu]] must be gay.

Notably, in [[IRC (02 January 2009)|an IRC chat]] from 2 [[January 2009]], Chris made this statement:

{{quote|if I could have it my way, I'd make it illegal and forbidden to have homo Men; women are safe. Also, I would have the secondary definition of the word "gay", being Homosexual, REMOVED from the word in the dictionaries, and all instinctions [sic] and sayings of the word will ONLY LEGALLY be used to mean HAPPY, as it was originally intended among songs like "[[Wikipedia:Deck the Halls|Deck the Halls]]"|Chris, 2 January 2009, 11:59}}

[[Image:Bionic2.jpg|thumb|Chris projects his repressed homosexuality onto [[Bionic|one of his own abominations]].]]

He added that gay men should be incarcerated in prisons with female offenders and be provided with access to prostitutes, arguing that they would come out "reprogrammed" into healthy, law-abiding heterosexuals.

On [[Captain's Log, Stardate February 18th, 2009|February 18, 2009]], Chris issued a retraction of his previous homophobic remarks and declared that he respects "the gay people" like he respects his [[gal pals]] and his [[sweethearts]]. However, this was mostly done at the insistence of [[Julie]]; by [[Captain's Log, Stardate March 10th, 2009|10 March 2009]] Chris was reciting verses from the Bible to justify his position against homos.

[[Image:Sonichuspore1.png|thumb|"ALL Sonichus are [[Homos|STRAIGHT]]!"]]

In Chris's ''Carrie'' rip-off, "[[The High School Story]]", Chris's Mary Sue character, Terrah LeAnne Yowman, is called a lesbian by kids at her high school, because she hangs around with guys all the time.

{{quote|She felt angry when she heard "Lesbian"; when called that, she would leave the bully an intimidating [[The Creepy Stare|glare]] with a purple glow from her green eyes. Then soon after, a [[Christian Weston Chandler|Strong, Straight Homophobe]] would attack that bully with [[Chris and religion|No Mercy]]; beat the crap out of that person.|"[[The High School Story]]"}}

On 14 [[June 2009]], he created a video called ''[[Don't Trust Any Homos Over There]]'', which in the Chris-chan tradition of ruining everything you ever loved is a homophobic version of [[Wikipedia:Uncle Ruckus|Uncle Ruckus]]'s song "Don't Trust Them New Niggas Over There" from [[Wikipedia:The Garden Party|the pilot episode]] of ''[[Wikipedia:The Boondocks|The Boondocks]]''.

Later on in the day, he published an apology for the video called ''[[I'm Sorry, Dude]]'', and insisted that he likes gays who "ac— ...accomplish other things, like [[Wikipedia:Stephen Fry|Stephen Fry]], who was a homosexual, but y'know he did a good job being a narrator on ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]''." This quote, of course, displays Chris's ignorance, as Stephen Fry is also a famous actor, comedian, writer, narrator (on things other than ''LBP''), and author of some extremely witty and charming blogs that have a large Internet following, as well as being an advocate for gay rights. This apology was only posted for the sake of his [[gal pal]] Kim's boyfriend, whose gay brother apparently lost both his arms in Iraq.

Curiously, Chris goes out of his way to state that the children of Sonichu and Rosechu are watched over by [[Heather Iglesias]], whom he characterizes as "a pretty, trustworthy, good natured Spanish Lesbian."<ref name="Cwcipedia: Sonichu">[[Cwcipedia]]: "Sonichu"</ref> He further mentions that Heather keeps her sexuality a secret from the kids at the request of Sonichu himself.<ref name="Cwcipedia: Sonichu"/> It is unknown why Chris mentions this, given that he has vacillated wildly in the past in his feelings on lesbianism, sometimes [[Mumble 1|coming out in support]] and other times [[CWC "Boyfriend"|condemning it]], or why the character is both Hispanic and a lesbian.

Chris occasionally tries to say he respects homosexuals for who they are. However, he repeatedly betrays his intolerance of different lifestyles, often within the same statement.

{{quote|"I personally respect the individual people as fellow human beings, and I am cool with associating with them as acquaintances and friends, but Please Do Not Wave Around what you do behind closed doors around me; NOBODY CARES TO KNOW; I PERSONALLY DO NOT CARE TO KNOW. Even within my imagination, I Do Not Care to even have the pictures Randomly Pop up in my head."|Chris <ref>http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php/Homosexuality</ref>}}

Because it's OK for him to wave around his degenerate sexuality and showcase real life pictures of his disgusting activities, but God forbid a well-adjusted male adult mention they love other men.

On 8 July 2009, Chris left a comment on a PSN News Post in reference to a Unity avatar.<ref>http://blog.us.playstation.com/2009/07/08/attention-fighting-fans-prove-youre-the-best-around/#comment-241496</ref>

{{quotebox|Hey, the Street Fighter Tourney is good news, but I have a concern about the person who left the message.

His Avitar…

If that icon is WHAT I THINK IT IS, I AM OFFENDED; please change your Avitar, dude.}}

On [[Captain's Log, Stardate July 26, 2009|July 26, 2009]], Chris goes so far as to call "gay" a synonym for "stupid."

In the [[Mailbag]] section of the [[CWCipedia]], Chris describes at length his idea for his comic self to travel to the future, where scientists have successfully isolated the "homo gene" (an idea stolen from [[Wikipedia:Family Gay|this episode of]] ''[[Family Guy]]''). They have not, however, isolated the "straight gene", and are only able to when Chris donates his own blood (Chris has once remarked that [[Wikipedia:Josef_Mengele|homosexuality could be cured by injecting blood from straight men into homosexuals]], or by imprisoning gays in [[Rape|co-ed prisons]]). This storyline finally came to light in [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris amended this plan to not only bring back a couple of syringes, but also enough of the "cure" to turn every gay person on Earth straight.

[[Jack Thaddeus]] purchased advertisement space on the [[CWCipedia]] to put up two ads on the site. One of them was an ad featuring Peter Griffin of ''[[Family Guy]]'', pointing out that he and his creator, Seth MacFarlane, were supportive of gay rights. In retaliation, Chris blew his stack, [[ChrisChanSonichu and WikiSysop correspondence|stating]]:

{{quote|I understand you getting paid to run ads in that box on the Cwcipedia. I feel okay with [[Vivian]]'s [[Audiobooks]], BUT I feel OFFENDED with the Mexico Contest and Gay-Rights Ads. The Pickle on the Mexico ad reminds me of a terrible time in my past with Pickle-Suited TROLLS, and '''I AM AGAINST HOMOSEXUAL LIFESTYLES and FOR STRAIGHT HETEROSEXUALITY.'''

Please Remove, or Change the Images of, THE TWO ADS.

And in the future, if you plan on adding more advertisements, INCLUDING the associated images, Please run them by me in a message for my personal Approval BEFORE you start running the ads.

Thank you.|Chris<ref>http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=User_talk:WikiSysop#The_New_Ad-Links</ref>}}

In a [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|phone call]] with [[Jack Thaddeus]], Chris stated that he assumed that a friend of Jack's was gay when he heard that he had AIDS.

On Christmas Day, [[2009]], the Sysop at the CWCipedia added a Twitter onto the webpage. Two days later, Chris saw this and flew into a tizzy, wanting the Twitter off as he didn't want any "homo trolls" talking behind his back.

Around New Year [[2010]], Chris replaced Jack Thaddeus's gay-friendly ads with ads for [[wikipedia:Love In Action|Love In Action]] (an "ex-gay" ministry), ProtectMarriage.com (a site promoting [[wikipedia:California Proposition 8 (2008)|Proposition 8]]), and a site that calls for a boycott on Pepsi due to their gay-friendliness. In another ad, he also suggested that [[wikipedia:Avatar (2009 film)|''Avatar'']] was a ''totally'' straight film. To sum it up: Ex-gay campaigns, Proposition 8 and ridiculous consumer boycotts - in one fell swoop, Chris managed to put in three big things that do ''not'' win himself any gay friends whatsoever and prove all of his previous "respect" for gays is nothing but idle words.

On 5 [[January 2010]], Chris responded to a [[Mailbag]] letter addressing the homosexual subject. In the answer, Chris stated that [[Magi-Chan]] keeps a constant psychic-surveillance to ensure that there are no homos in CWCville. When evidence of homosexuality was found in a couple, the people involved would be arrested and fined heavily.

Then, on 7 January, when answering the question of how he began hating the gay population, we got this interesting insight...

{{quote|I estimate that I started hating them about Summer, [[2003]] just after I started my Sweetheart Search, where I received the response from one woman, "Ooh, I'm sorry, I am a Lesbian." That, combined with my PAST dislike of MEN in general AND the later pictured images of such acts led me to DISGUST AND HATRED FOR THE HOMOSEXUALS. Plus ALL of the Homos within the Trolls AND all Homosexual Fans with their WRONGFUL Quoting of MY comics and characters in THEIR PAPERS and ESSAYS promoting homosexuality, and EVEN WORSE a Sonichu BALLOON in one of their God DAMED Pride Parades!!! ALL OF THESE FACTORS have ONLY made my view of the Homosexual Males WORSE!|[[Common Questions#Answered 07 January 2010|Chris, before finally stating (for the umpteenth time) that Sonichu is straight.]]}}

Not only is this ironic, considering his current views on lesbianism, but it adds another interesting aspect to his hatred: Chris's frustration with homos is influenced by him being childish and whiny about not getting his way, just because ''one'' woman turned him down. We wouldn't expect anything different from him.

On 12 January, Chris appeared to soften his stance, saying that "Firstly, I am decreeing that homosexuals will have equal relationship rights within [[Cwcville]], yet gay marriage is still Illegal and Wrong. And [[Magi-Chan]] will stay out of those people's heads under my request."<ref>[[CWC Blog#12 January 2010]]</ref> Of course, it's not clear how gays can have "equal relationship rights" if they can't marry, but Chris tends to be pretty weak on logic.

On 30 [[January 2010]], Chris voiced his opinion about the ban on homosexuals serving openly in the American military. He is for the lifting of the ban so that "[[Mailbag 49#Chris loves his country|the homos can go die in explosions]]."

On 15 [[August 2010]], [[Bob]] showed the same kind of hatred and prejudice as his son does for "DA HOMOS". In the [[Matthew Noble call]], Bob said that he believed that a few homosexual kids were working alongside [[Michael Snyder|Mike]] and [[Megan]] to get Chris banned from The GAMe PLACe.

==Why Chris appears to be gay==

[[Image:564Homos.jpg|thumb|left|At least Chris doesn't [[fail]] at cataloging pictures. [http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Homosexuality No, it's not a shoop].]]

[[Image:CWCMonica.jpg|thumb|Oh lawd, is dat some lipstick on Chris?]]

{{quote|First off, should such images [of men's asses] enter your mind at random, just stop yourself. I have had this problem too. I would take all such images when they enter my mind and just delete them; I imagine, in my mind, rolling them all into a ball, shrinking it down, and tossing them into a garbage can that links to my Stomach through a direct bodily vein. I imagine the feeling of it falling through the vein and making its splash landing into the stomach acid and dissolving; gone forever.|[[Mailbag 4|Mailbag #4]] - Chris admitting he's had homoerotic fantasies.}}

[[Image:RainbowChris.jpg|thumb|Fun Fact: [[Rainbow]] colors are the internationally recognized colors for the gay pride movement.]]
[[Image:Sonichuballs.jpg|thumb|For someone who claims to be straight, Chris sure does love talking about BALLS. Also, balls are touching.]]
[[Image:0430-ChristianWTallStack2.jpg|thumb|That's one [[pickle|phallic]] [[Lego]] tower you're building there, Chris.]]
[[Image:Chris-Straw.jpg|thumb|Why do I get the feeling he wants to suck a [[duck]]?]]

Ironically, the harder Chris [[Captain's Log, Stardate January 12th, 2009|tries to convince people]] he's straight, the gayer he appears. He has absolutely no awareness that an uptight, milquetoast, colorfully-dressed, squeaky-voiced man saying "I am straight! I have a subscription to ''Playboy''!"<ref>[[CWC Update 18 January 2009]]</ref> every five minutes looks like he has something he's trying to hide. Furthermore, the more we learn about Chris, the more gay he really appears to be.

* Christian has stated that if he were unable to stay straight he would undergo sex reassignment surgery; he would rather be female than gay. It should be noted that straight men never, ever, put this much thought into this hypothetical dilemma.<ref>[[Mumble 1]]</ref>
* He collects [[My Little Pony]] figures well into early adulthood.
* For a straight man, he sure does [[Semen#Transcript|consume a lot of semen]]. Likewise, the idea of [[Kacey Phone Call|licking his own ejaculate]] off one of his gal-pals sexually arouses him.
* Like many gay men, most of his [[gal-pal|"friends"]] were female and he never slept with any of them.
* In a [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3|PSN Chat with Julie]], Chris admitted that he randomly has images of penises (his own and others he's seen in porn) pop into his head. He also claims to hear voices in his head that say "Christian is gay." Unless Chris is having ''very specific'' auditory hallucinations, it's likely he has homoerotic daydreams and freaks out about it. In the same chat he sounded ''delighted'' describing the first time he saw semen in a porno movie as a teenager.
* He owns, or at least has owned, anal beads and a vibrator, and he is on record as having experimented with putting both toys in his anus. In a chat during the [[Vanessa Saga]] on 16 [[April 2009]], he claimed that he no longer shoved things up his ass, except for "a narrow jet of water from my adjustable shower-head on a hose."<ref>[[Vanessa IRC Chat 3|Vanessa IRC Chat III]]</ref> Although it is quite possible to stick things up your butt and still be straight, people who are terrified of being turned gay generally do not do this.
* Chris said that he would put something up his ass for [[Ivy]] "in a heartbeat," including a large fake dick, and would let her fuck him with a strap-on.<ref>[[Vanessa IRC Chat 7|Vanessa IRC Chat VII]]</ref>
* Chris said that he might let a gay guy fuck him if Ivy wanted that.<ref>[[Vanessa IRC Chat 9|Vanessa IRC Chat IX]]</ref>
* During their correspondence, [[Jackie]] told Chris she was curious about anal sex.<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 5]]</ref> Instead of taking it to mean she wished to be penetrated from behind (as most men would have understood it), Chris thought she wanted to use a strap-on/anal bead on him and said he would comply. In her next email, Jackie clarified her intentions but said she was open to the prospect of being the penetrative partner,<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 6]]</ref> leading a jubilant Chris to discuss his past anal experiences in detail.
* Christian argues that the vibrator and anal beads were sent to him as a gift with an order of straight pornography; he did not ask for them or pay for them. However, according to [[List of Chris's Adam & Eve purchases|the receipts]] that were uncovered by trolls, Chris specifically asked for the anal beads as the gift.
* Chris kept the vibrator around for months.
* In the [[Chris Sex Logs]], Chris shows off a dildo to [[PandaHalo]]. He immediately suggests the phallic sex toy is something that [[Sex_Logs#This_is_my_dildo|goes up your butt]], and then immediately denies it's been up his butt. He also says having a dildo in your butt "will feel good."
* On [[Captain's Log, Stardate February 5th, 2009|5 February 2009]] Chris posted two videos stating that he was coming out of the closet as a gay man. He later issued a retraction which was far less persuasive.
* When negotiating for the safe return of his PSN account from [[Max]], Chris was given the choice of burning his [[medallion]] or shoving it up his ass. Chris immediately chose to shove it up his ass.
* Chris thought a straight woman would be turned on by a [[nudes|close-up picture of his anus]].
* He wears a pink [[Belt Buckle of Fail|belt buckle]].
* He owns a set of [[anime wings]] which are basically hair clips. And hair clips are for women.
* His best man at [[CWC's "It's All Coming Back To Me"|his wedding]] is [[Sarah Hammer]] in drag.
* He sang "I Love the Nightlife" on his [[Chris's Big Night Out|visit to a local bar/restaurant]], which is popular at gay clubs and drag revues.
* [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys (album)|''Christian and the Hedgehog Boys'']] features two covers of the [[Wikipedia:Backstreet Boys|Backstreet Boys]], one cover of a [[Britney Spears]] song, and one cover of a [[Wikipedia:Ricky Martin|Ricky Martin]] song. This music was popular among thirteen-year-old girls when it was new and is popular among the gay community today.
* [[muscle bra|He wears a bra.]] In fairness, he uses it to [[Fridays After Five|try to attract women]].
* He [[Clyde is Weaker than Water|implores men to wear bras]] because looking at shirtless men makes Chris uncomfortable,<ref>[[Mailbag 55#On brassieres|Mailbag 55]]</ref><ref>[[Mailbag 55#Draconian_fun.21|Mailbag #55]]</ref> possibly arousing latent homosexual urges.
* When you look up "Homosexuality" in Chris's [[CWCipedia|own web encyclopedia]], you ''literally'' see his own portrait (as shown on the screencap at the top of this section).
* In the [[PS3 History Level]] video, he showed that he actually owns a copy of [[Wikipedia:Sex and the City (film)|''Sex and the City'']] (the film) when he showcased his then current collection of [[PS3]] games and movies.
* In his response to a letter in [[Mailbag 4]] about "impure" homoerotic thoughts, Chris confesses that he "[has] had this problem too," and has to resort to deleting them through a curious process that involves dropping the thoughts into his stomach acid, lest the gay gene take its toll.
* Chris reacts to [[Alec Benson Leary]]'s ''[[Asperchu]]'' comics by giving the all the characters a free makeover.
* In [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], Chris donates some of his "straight blood" to doctors in the future so that they could make a vaccine against homosexuality. Vaccines are made from people who have the virus being fought.
* One of Chris's ''[[ModNation Racers]]'' vehicles is called "A Man's Toy", which is a light blue carriage with [[rainbow]] lollipop wheels and a message that says "Tea parties are good and nice" on the rear end of the carriage.<ref>http://community.modnation.com/en-us/players/Sonichu/creations/1296110</ref>
* In the guise of his trollsona [[JenkinsJinkies]], Chris used [[Trollin' Train]] to go into far more detail than was necessary about a supposed homosexual encounter, describing various acts with a relish out of place for someone who claims to be disgusted by the mere thought of a penis.
* He made a drawing of [[Punchy Sonichu|Punchy]] [http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Punchylaylalove.jpg wearing panties and bra].
* He also made a [[:File:SchuSoneeRosey.jpg|drawing]] of a [[Sonee & Rosey|Sonee and a Rosee]] in which the hairless spot on the Rosee's abdomen looks like an erect penis.
* The [[Scrapbook of Fail]] contains a [[:File:115-CWCEmbarassed.jpg|self portrait of Chris]] as the ''[[Yu-Gi-Oh!]]'' character [http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Magician_Girl Dark Magician Girl].
* He [[Tomgirl|voluntarily dressed up as a woman]], went out in public and used [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Girly Things Tee Hee|the woman's washroom]]. While not all cross-dressers are homosexuals, men who are afraid of being seen as a homosexual generally do not take a disturbing amount of pride in cross-dressing in public.

==Defenses against becoming homo==
[[Image:CWCIsSTRAIGHT.jpg|thumb|According to Chris, heterosexuals defend their sexuality by taping index cards indicating their straightness to their shoes (while stomping on [[vibrator]]s). Srsly.]]
It's hard work for a warrior of true love and honesty to stay straight. Luckily, Chris has a [[Sailor Moon Poster of Fail|Sailor Moon poster]] which he stares at everyday to stave off temptations of homosexuality.

Chris also subscribes to ''[[Wikipedia:Playboy|Playboy]]'' to help keep himself straight. You can tell he's straight because when he's explaining what he finds attractive in women it only takes five seconds for him to get around to boobies and [[China|vaginas]].

When homosexual (or potentially homosexual) [[trolls|fans]] sent Chris questions on the [[CWCipedia]] asking for tips to STAY STRAIGHT, Chris tends to offer what essentially amounts to self-brainwashing. Some of his ideas include thinking of naked women and how awesome they are, and imagining being struck by painful lightning whenever a homosexual thought occurs with an extremely severe and disproportionate punishment.<ref name="ReferenceA"/> He also clarifies that one need not buy their own poster of fail; any poster featuring attractive women (preferably in bikinis and looking sexy) will do the trick.

To prevent future homos, he also encourages women to not drink, smoke, or be physically abused while pregnant because he believes this could cause the baby to be born homosexual.<ref>[[Mailbag 5#Daniel Tammet/Punching your baby will make it gay|Mailbag #5]]</ref>

In ''[[Kill De Jack]]'', Chris reveals another one of his defenses against becoming a homo: he covers a section of his "[[CWC-ism|computer]]" (we can assume that he means "computer screen") with a piece of paper so that he can browse [[CWCipedia]] without looking at [[Jack Thaddeus]]'s ads featuring pictures of homosexual men.

It seems that the centerfold poster of [[The_Simpsons#Marge_Poster|Marge's ''Playboy'' magazine]] has become one of Chris's many defenses against becoming a homo. The fact that she's married has [[kacey|no bearing on Chris's desires]].

{{quote|But I say, anyone who even looks at a woman with lust in his eye has already committed adultery with her in his heart.|-Matthew 28, [[Chris and religion|something Chris has probably never read, nor wouldn't care to read.]]}}

==Chris on his alleged homosexuality==

[[Image:CWCRockin4Way.jpg|thumb|"If I was a homosexual or anything like that, would I not be [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 10th, 2009|having sex with THREE WOMEN?"]]]]

* "I AM STRAIGHT, DAMN IT! I WILL NOT BE VEERED INTO ANY OTHER DISGUSTINGLY GROTESQUE DIRECTION!!!!!"<ref>[[Masturbating and squirtin']]</ref>
* "I'M STRAIGHT! I'M STRAIGHT! '''YOU'RE THE HOMOS!''' EVERY LAST ONE OF YOU!"<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate August 3rd, 2008]]</ref>
* "I'm straight, don't doubt me!"<ref>[[PS3 History Level]]</ref>
* "Listen, as hard as you fucking can, I CAME OUT OF MY AUTISTIC [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet|CLOSET]] AS A STRAIGHT MAN, and NOTHING ELSE. SO YOU IMMATURE JERKS CAN JUST FUCK OFF."<ref>[[IRC (20 January 2009)]]</ref>
* "Yep, you heard me. I am...a [[gaybian|gaaaaaaaaay...bian]]."<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate February 5th, 2009#Transcript of the First Video]]</ref>
* "Anyway the, uh- anyway so, to get to the point...fine. I'm guhh. I'm gaaaay. I'm gaay. I said it...OK. Yep. So...did I really come out of the closet there? That just depends on y'all- how y'all understand it."<ref>[[Captain's Log, Stardate February 5th, 2009#Transcript of the Second Video]]</ref>
* "And look at me. Do I look like- [*shakes head in disagreement*] '''No more of those stupid acquisition messages!''' Get it through your fucking, individual, damn, dirty SKULLS! '''I. Am. STRAIGHT!'''"<ref>''[[I Am The TRUE, Original Christopher Christian Weston Chandler; No Ifs, Ands or Buts]]''</ref>

Curiously, in his own [[A Public Announcement for Congress|campaign ad]], Chris announced a promise of "gay marriage ability for every state within the United Nations." Suffice to say, this has not helped him in the polls.

==Fan videos==

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| Stardate = 5 January 2010
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==See also==
{{CWCipedia|chris=Homosexuality}}

* [[Chris and sex]]
* [[Chris and religion]]
* [[Chris Comes Out of the Closet]]
* [[Don't Trust Any Homos Over There]]
* [[Gay 4 Sonichu]]
* [[Gaybian]] (a "male lesbian", according to Chris)
* [[It's UGH!]]
* [[Rainbow]]
* [[Reldnahc Naitsirhc]]
* [[Magi-Chan]]
* [[Heather Iglesias]]
* [[Tomgirl]]
* [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia]]
==Sources==
<references/>

==External links==
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uyO3pnkI3H4 CWC (Ian Brandon Anderson) finally admits it.]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gE9hdbiwA3k Chris-chan is sick of the lies!]
*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZOpGtblij8Y Chris-chan proves those slanderous trolls wrong.]

{{CWC-isms}}

[[Category:Homos]]

Talk:Things Chris has ripped off

2012-01-17T15:42:56Z

Ted Van Gruder: /* Kekko Kamen */ new section

Fixed where it said that the Perfect Chaos Monster attacked CWCville, it actually attacked Station Square. Seems like this page could stand some heavy revision, honestly. I think the section about Yuu Yuu Hakusho can be outright removed, as that whole motion is pretty common in general and it's possible Chris actually didn't still it from there. Additionally, we should probably just remove the comics section and put Spider-man in the western animation section, unless of course we can find more stuff that he's ripped from comics, in which case that can be expanded. The Ralph Wiggums note should either be removed or added to Western Animation if you guys actually think it's important enough. The videogames section should be removed until we can actually put something into it. Could we maybe find some more stuff that he's ripped off of movies? I think the Spaceballs thing should stay, but it seems stupid to have the movies section solely for it. So, does any one else have an opinion on this? I just didn't want to go off and make such major changes by myself and piss people off. --[[User:That Man|That Man]] 06:53, 24 November 2009 (CET)
:*I think I owe y'all an explanation. When I first stalked upon this page it was even (imo, of course) less coherent than it is now. I created a new structure for it, reorganised the already existing entries and added a few new ones that I could remember. Right now it's unfinished, which I tried to show by putting a huge ass number of "Incomplete" templates on the page. I'm currently working on getting most ripoff and reference examples to fill this article, and also to create a neat template, as well. I think I'll finish it before the weekend, if not earlier. Now, about the sections: the Comic book section will include Superman and Spider-man, the Movies and TV shows section will include Gilligan's Island, I Love Lucy, and some more, the VG section will include Mario, Zelda, and some more. Ralph Wiggum - I personally think it's an unneeded joke (well, Chris's plagiarism is already a joke on itself), but didn't dare to remove it, as it was added before my time. So well... I see how the current state of the article is utterly confusing. I think I'll upload a less rough version later today. Oh, and sorry for the tl;dr reply --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 09:39, 24 November 2009 (CET)
::*Goku, you did the new stuff? You've got a real GOKU GET EM ATTITUDE, lololol. Srsly, I like this new revision, the old one kinda sucked. Keep it up guys, throw in some pictures and it can be a featured article. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:00, 24 November 2009 (CET)
:::*Thanks, Champthom, but I think in this case "Goku Get'em attitude" translates as "No life whatsoever" lol. I have to read through all the Sonichu comics to get all the refs! Poor me :( Anyway, thanks for your appreciation! As for pictures, I was planning to add 1 for each subsection (= franchise).

::::By the way, for somecummpenntydifferent: Are there any template... er... templates that are able to include a small pic along with the text part? You know, like they have on ED? E.g., so that the template on "Places" could contain the same text part ''plus'' a small pic of Chris's house, or something. I think, that would help make our templates more different and fun to look at. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:08, 24 November 2009 (CET)

==New structure discussion==
:Oh and, by the way.
:For the final revision, I want to change this structure yet again.
:Here how I envision it:

==Franchise type==
===A Franchise That Has A Separate Article===
''See [[Sailor Moon|main article]].''
===A Franchise That Doesn't Have A Separate Article===
Laconic description of the franchise.
* Example example example.
* Example example example.

:Also, I want to include a section for a list of "not so much ripoffs, but references and cameos and such" at the end of the page.

:Discuss :) --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:14, 24 November 2009 (CET)
:*I think with a franchise type with a separate article, you should briefly describe its relevancy to how Chris has ripped it off for those who don't feel like reading the entire article, with the "See main article" being a thing if people want to read about it more. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:20, 24 November 2009 (CET)
::*I see. I was actually planning to insert "Plagiarism" sections in all those separate articles, so the "main page" link would be like "[ [Sailor Moon#Plagiarism|main page] ]". But if you think it's better to keep it all on this page, I'll just put all info concerning plagiarism on this page, and on the separate pages I'll post links to here instead. But wouldn't this page get too lengthy? --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:24, 24 November 2009 (CET)
:::*It doesn't hurt to briefly describe here how Chris has ripped them off, maybe make references on their appropriate pages as well. Maybe in the case of Sailor Moon, you could discuss in this article the general things Chris rips off and then list the specific instances in the Sailor Moon article's plagiarism section. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:42, 24 November 2009 (CET)
::::*Okay, I see. Well... I think I'll try to do it, and then we'll discuss the results --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:48, 24 November 2009 (CET)

==A preview of what the page will look like when finished==
DISCLAIMER:
# All the incomplete sections will be completed, new sections will be added etc.
# The "List of references etc." at the end of the article is my experiment. I think some shit like having a portrait of Batman in the Mayor's office or having Sackboy appear with an advert, can't be actually called "ripping off", can it? Or do you think it's still ripping off? I'm still confused about that, but I still think minor reference stuff like that should be preserved nevertheless. First, it's a sign of Chris's utter uncreativity. And second, even when not ripped off, it's still grating for fans of those franchises to see their favorite heroes bastardised by being referenced in "Sonichu".
# Most of the text on the page atm is not mine, it's what was here before I started editing the page. For an example of my additions, see "Darkwing Duck" or the "List of references etc."
# Things like [[Sonichu 0#Episode 1|S0 Ep1 p.1]] are another of my experiments. I think, it's a pretty easy to use and laconic way of informing where in the comics does stuff (like characters, quotes, references etc) appear. I think it helps people search stuff by themselves to see it with their own eyes, which is always good. I think that it can be even used elsewhere on this wiki, too, maybe. Let me know if you like it or not.
# Yes, I think all important and/or interesting stuff should be referenced up to the page number. Yes, I'm a [[pedofork|pedant]].
# I've started adding examples of things ripped off by Chris, but not necessarily in the comics. Like, when he recites a joke stolen from some show as "his" [[random-access humor]].
# I'll finish the revamp, I guess, somewhere before this weekend, if not earlier.
Now, let's discuss :) All suggestions and critique are welcome.
P.S.: By the way, don't you think the page may be too lengthy? If so, what can be done to avoid that? --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 22:14, 24 November 2009 (CET)

:*Glad I didn't go ahead and mess with it too much, it's shaping up pretty good. It'll look a lot better once we can fill in most of the empty sections. I'll try and fill in all of the ones I know of as soon as I find the time. --[[User:That Man|That Man]] 21:44, 25 November 2009 (CET)

:*I'm liking the page very much. I'm wondering if the introduction should include a mention of the revelation from [[Mailbag 4]] where Chris confirms he has no idea what creativity is when he says that it includes borrowing from a TV show or a movie. [[User:Alteceastlansing|Alteceastlansing]] 08:01, 28 November 2009 (CET)
::*Thanks! I think I'll maybe tweak the introduction a bit when the page will be nearing finish. Of course, I'll try to include any quotes or mentions which may be relevant to the subject, including your suggestion – thanks for it! --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 11:56, 28 November 2009 (CET)

==Chuck Palahniuk==

Removed the (sic) notation next to director and added the note back (worded a bit more subtly). 'Sic' is really only used to show spelling errors or archaic spelling of a word, not to denote factual errors, and explaining why Chris fails here is probably a good idea for people unfamiliar with Fight Club or Chuck Palahniuk. [[User:SirCucumber|SirCucumber]] 01:25, 26 November 2009 (CET)
*Okay, first of all, thanks for correcting me on (sic), and getting my attention to the fact that people may need some info about the subjects discussed. You're right on both of these; I've taken steps to fix them. I've moved (sic) to a more appropriate place; as for information, I put Wikipedia links so people could just click and get any info themselves. As for your phrase – well, I tried to rephrase it a bit, to make it less obvious; sorry, but I feel it sounded a bit like, you know, explaining the joke. But maybe I'm wrong, I dunno – I would like some feedback about this. Also, added another possible example of "Fight Club"'s influence. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 11:56, 28 November 2009 (CET)

==Postponed a bit==
Okay... Well, I promised to have the page done by the weekend. But due to some RL events, it has to be postponed a little. Bear with me, guys, ok? --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 02:43, 29 November 2009 (CET)

==Under Construction==
Someone should make a template for that instead of having the awkward text at the top. Srsly. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:52, 30 November 2009 (CET)

== List of things Chris has ripped off ==

Should this be called a list? There's nothing wrong with having this just be "Things Chris has ripped off" but this is sorta a list, so why not call it as such? "Things Chris has ripped off" would be a good category, if it already doesn't exist (I think there's a similar category already but Things Chris has ripped off has a better ring to it). --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 15:05, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
*I guess it's called that because Wikipedia typically has these articles called "List of <this and that>". I think it's fine this way, because it implies that there's a lot of things chris has ripped off, which is true. --[[User:Wtv|Wtv]] 15:40, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

==Small notes==

Just to add to some of the edits, I'm brand new here, so just thought I'd say, I'm pretty sure he may have gotten the Bugs Bunny and Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 3 joke from Angry Video Game Nerd's review of the movie, and emphasis on the joke. I also think that his Monty Python hedgehog gag was more because it was featured in Yu-Gi-Oh the abridged series episode 30. --[[User:WhiteKnightNoMore|Dr. Zoidberg]]

Long-time lurker here, didn't really even know where to post this, but I think the Jessi Slaughter reference this article refers was done under the orders of Jackie. Can someone fact-check this? If this is so, I don't know if it necessarily needs to be a part of this list, as he was ''told'' to say "consequences will never be the same." --[[User:sczombie|sczombie]]
::[[Jackie Chat 2]] [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 15:03, 10 February 2011 (PST)

==New Edits==

I am new to this wiki editing and wondered if someone could critque how i did and let me know how i could improve my wiki skills. I added the section under video games for Brutal Legend, as Chris added alot of stuff from that game after it came out and he did his "review" of the game. Thanks in advance. --[[User:CaptainBilly|CaptainBilly]]

== To do ==

The big thing is mostly to complete unfinished sections. Nothing wrong with adding new stuff, but right now there's a shitton of incomplete sections and it's really annoying. Finish those up and then start to add new things that are relevant. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:10, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

== Where 'Flame the Sunbird needs pants' comes from? ==

Maybe Chris got that from the Pokemon movie with the talking Slowking. Where in a part of the movie the Slowking says he really needs some pants. Oddly enough, since in the comic it was on an island, the Pokemon movie was based on the islands Ash traveled through to get the stones. Anyone agree? [[User:Noka|Noka]] 20:35, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
*Probably, but please, sign your comments (it's four ~ in a row). --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:03, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
*It's already mentioned in [[Flame the Sunbird]]'s page that the pants phrase came from there, since it's highly unlikely he got it from the other pants rant involving Brainiac and the Legion of Doom.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 21:05, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

== Kel's backstory ==
Is a direct rip off of Ash from Pokémon, specially the part in which she is given an electric Pokémon as a starter.--[[User:Basgon|Basgon]] 05:37, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
*Fixed your typos. Sorry, I'm a Grammar Nazi like that.--[[User:SniperFire16|SniperFire16]] 20:14, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Independence Day Speech ==

*We can also add the Independence Day Speech, Chris ripped that off from that movie. I know, I've seen the film when I was 12, and i have the VHS tape. Maybe Chris saw it on TNT recently...--[[User:UJ1A1985|UJ1A1985]] 06:07, 24 February 2010 (UTC)
**According to the Ninth Alec call, Chris had no idea it was from Independence day and that his friend, the mysterious birthday guest, wrote the speech.[[User:Double Nega|Double Nega]] 22:30, 26 February 2010 (UTC)
***Yes, of course, it's somebody else. Since he's a paragon of TRUTH and HONESTY, we will believe this. After all, he barely saw only once before... [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 22:56, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
***Ironically, Independence Day stole elements of the speech from Dylan Thomas. But at least they stole in a less blatant way. [[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]] 20:50, 31 March 2010 (CEST)

== Samurai Pizza Cats is an Japanese anime. ==

The show originated in Japan in 1990 under a different name, so it should be in the Japanese Animation section of things Chris Chan has ripped off. [[User:Super Smash Bros. Fan|Super Smash Bros. Fan]] 18:40, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

== Added another Digimon example ==

You remember how Ultra Sonichu used Chaotic Remedy to "cure" the Asperchu characters of their ailments? I believe that it's directly lifted from a move of Magna Angemon's named Magna Antidote in the English dub of Adventure. If you don't count it as a TRUE and HONEST example, go ahead and delete it. --[[User:SniperFire16|SniperFire16]] 20:12, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Ultra Sonichu is a rip off of a rip off. ==

Ultra Sonichu is clearly a rip off of Super Sonic, which was clearly a rip off of Super Saiyins from DBZ. - Odrahcir

== Sonichu comics ==

This page has made me think of something. Maybe we could add to the pages of the sonichu comics the things chris has ripped of or simply copied from other media in the way that in wikipedia, south park, the simpsons, and family guy episodes have a section for popular culture references.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 22:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

== Ric Flair ==

Okay, I myself have noticed something, in true Ric Flair fashion he always quoted himself saying "I'm a limousine ridin', jet flyin', kiss stealin', '''wheelin' dealin'''' son of a gun. WOOOO!!"

and I was wondering if Chris ripping off.. or trying to rip off Ric Flair in #8 Rage against the garbage would warrant a section to Things Chris has ripped off. The reference is the one that is bold in the quote in question. [[User:Sinisterminister|Sinisterminister]] 03:52, 19 June 2010 (UTC)

*I highly doubt chris watches pro wrestleing with its "gosh darn ugly pecks"

**It's very likely that's just Chris' bad Southern accent. --[[User:Liquid Bob|Liquid Bob]] 09:33, 31 July 2011 (PDT)

== Star Trek ==

He constantly uses the term "stardate" so why is Star Trek not mentioned? [[Kyweaver]] 02:24 17 November, 2010 (CET)
*It's at the very bottom, and I also think Star Trek has its own page. --[[User:TheIronFjord|TheIronFjord]] 08:33, 20 March 2011 (PDT)

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== Kekko Kamen ==

"based on the Pubic Hair Jump." - I was always more impressed with the Western dub's far better name for it ("Muffocation attack.") [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 07:42, 17 January 2012 (PST)