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{{quote|I am close to my mother, but I would advise some space between you and your mother. And I recommend finding yourself a Girlfriend/Sweetheart to remain with in your later years of life. Mama's not gonna be around forever.|Chris gives advice to a ''Sonichu'' fan.<ref>[[Mailbag 13]]</ref>}}

{{quote|She threatens to kill me in her episode of emotional rage.|Chris on Barb.<ref name="jackie26">[[Jackie E-mails 26]]</ref>}}

{| class="infobox" style="width: 21em; font-size: 90%;"
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! colspan="2" | Chandler Family
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| colspan="2" | [[Image:Barb 2016.JPG|300px]]
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! colspan="2" |Barbara Chandler
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| '''Birth name'''
| Barbara Anne Weston
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| '''Nicknames'''
| Snorlax, Barb
|-
| '''D.O.B.'''
| [[Pre-1980#1940s|1 October 1941]] (age {{Age|1941|10|1}})
|-
| '''Gender'''
| Female
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| '''Nationality'''
| [[United States of America|American]]
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| '''Race'''
| White
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| '''Marriages'''
| [[Ran Coleman Yeatts]] (1961-1963) 
[[Bob|Robert Franklin Chandler Jr.]] (1980-2011)
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| '''Children'''
| [[Cole Smithey]]
[[Christian Weston Chandler]]
|-
| '''Occupation'''
| Office worker (retired)
|-
|}

'''Barbara Anne Weston Chandler'''<ref>[[Blanca E-mails#Chris likes Blanca|Email to Blanca]]</ref> (born 1 [[Wikipedia:1941#October|October 1941]]<ref>http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d155.html</ref>) is the widow of [[Bob Chandler]] and mother of [[Christian Weston Chandler]] and [[Cole Smithey]]. The sole recognition for her motherly qualities is the Mother of the Year [[2000]] Award Chris created for her.<ref>[[A Week With Christian Chandler#Page 13|A Week With Christian Chandler, page 13]]</ref> She has not won the award since.

==Early life==
Barbara is the fifth child (out of eight) of Joseph Otto "Joe" Weston (1896-1955) and Carrie Edna Wynn (1911-1967). They married in 1926, when Carrie was either 14 or 15 years old and Joseph [[Pedofork|was around 30]].<ref>http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d141.html#P141</ref> Otto died in 1958, after falling from a horse-drawn wagon.<ref>http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html</ref> Barb's maternal grandfather was an alcoholic moonshiner, who carried out affairs and failed to provide even the most basic support for her mother's family.<ref>http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d118.html#P141</ref>

According to a [[Facebook statuses|Facebook status]] Chris wrote on [[January 2012|January 30th, 2012]], Barbara lost her virginity at some point during her high school years.

Barb grew up in Red Oak, Virginia, and graduated from Randolph-Henry [[High School]] in Charlotte Court House, Virginia in 1960. While there, she was treasurer of her school's chapter of the Future Homemakers of America, a member of the Randolph-Henry bus patrol, a typist for her school yearbook, "The Log", and a member of the Spanish Club. She was also a member of many other school organizations, suggesting that she was very involved in extracurricular activities while in high school. She was also known for her perfect attendance record from her sophomore through her senior years of high school.

According to her senior yearbook, her nickname in high school was Bobcat, possibly due to her figure.

Chris stated in a leaked video that he and his mother are not liked by the members of the Weston family who have outlived [[Aunt Corrina]].<ref>[[Message for John Kyle]]</ref> It is not clear whether Chris meant to say that after Corrina's death all the Westons started hating him and his mother, or alternatively that by the time of Corrina's death no Weston other than her had a cordial relationship with Chris and Barb. Regardless of how this statement should be interpreted, it appears that Barbara's relationship with rest of her extended family is strained.

==Cole and his various fathers==
[[Image:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|thumb|Cole visits for Chris's [[My big 18th party (story)|18th birthday]].]]

Barbara grew up and raised Chris's older half-brother [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] in Richmond, Virginia, near Virginia Commonwealth University and West Avenue.<ref name="Raising">[[Emily Date Conversation Transcript#Raising Chris-Chan (16:46 - 00:00)]]</ref>

Barbara gave birth to [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] in 1963. Throughout his life, Barbara has lied to Cole about who his father is because she's [[Wikipedia:Maury Povich|Maury Povich]] trash.

Based on the experiences with his various stepfathers, [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] thinks that Barbara has a "proclivity to isolate herself via scurrilous mates."<ref name="coleemail2">[[:File:Cole 07-03-06-2.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 2]]</ref> The use of "scurrilous" in this statement makes no sense, suggesting [[Cole Smithey|Cole]] tries to use [[Chris and Health|big]] words to impress people - [[Laughs Under Lucricities|a family trait]], perhaps.

===Jack Dale Smithey===
Barb insists that Cole's father is Jack Dale Smithey, to whom she claimed she was married, but records show she actually wasn't.<ref name="coleemail2" />

In 1995, Cole's friend syndicated cartoonist [[Wikipedia:Ted_Rall|Ted Rall]] made an Internet post questioning the whereabouts of Jack Dale Smithey. According to the post, Smithey lived in Richmond in 1963 (the time Cole was born), and was a Merchant Marine. He later worked as a trucker for Pilot Trucking in North Carolina, but had not been heard of since 1964.<ref>http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/SURNAMES/1995-04/0798938259</ref>

Cole eventually hired a private detective who tracked down Jack Smithey in Sarasota, Florida.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails">[[Cole Smithey E-mails]]</ref>

===Ran Coleman Yeatts===
[[Image:RanColemanYeatts-WakeForestHowler1961.png|thumb|Cole's [[TRUE and HONEST]] biological father, Ran Coleman Yeatts, from the 1961 Wake Forest yearbook.]]

Records, which [[Cole Smithy|Cole]] later found after making a trip back to Richmond, show Barb married one Ran ''Cole''man Yeatts in 1961. Yeatts was from South Hill, Virginia, and was enrolled at Wake Forest College as late as 1960. He was scheduled to graduate in 1961, the year he and Barb married.<ref>http://www.archive.org/stream/howler1960wake/howler1960wake_djvu.txt</ref>

To further fuel Cole's rage, Yeatts would visit him and was introduced as a "friend" of the family when he was a child. <ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" /> After Cole hired a private detective, Barbara hung up the phone on him when he called to ask about his father.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />

Yeatts died on 6 June 2007 in South Hill. His obituary made no mention of Cole and, curiously, none of Barbara either.<ref>http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071320/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/timesdispatch/obituary.aspx?n=Ran-Yeatts&pid=88787372</ref>

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File:1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license.jpeg|1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license
File:1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce.jpeg|1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce
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===Jerry Harmon===
Jerry Harmon is Barbara's former lover and alleged sinister step-father of [[Cole Smithey]], Chris's older half-brother. Barbara claims to have married Jerry after her relationships with Jack Dale Smithey and Ran Coleman Yeatts. However, in the course of Cole's investigation into his family history, he was unable to find a marriage certificate.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />

{{quote|I grew up in an abusive household with Barbara and my former stepfather Jerry, where physical and mental punishments ran the gambit from bare-assed beatings to cold showers to bizarre scenarios acted out with glee by two deeply neurotic adults... Even at a very young age, I knew that they would abandon me. They were both irresponsible and incompetent parents who exposed me to traumas that I would rather not remember.|Cole on Barb and Jerry's parenting skills.<ref name="Cole Smithey E-mails" />}}
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In his article [[Saturday Night Special]], Cole would further elaborate about his first step-father. According to Cole, Jerry was a professional magician who lived with Barbara in a second-floor apartment adjacent to the campus of Virginia Commonwealth University in Richmond. Jerry allegedly kept a gun in his nightstand drawer, which his stepson would play with, and was out cheating on his wife when an intruder came to the apartment, leaving Barb to have to fire the gun to scare them off. The shot ricocheted and nearly killed Cole as a result, hitting the wall a hair's breadth behind his head.

==Marriage with Bob==
[[File:1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.jpeg|thumb|1980 6 7 - Borb's marriage license]]

Bob and Barbara met in a bar on a karaoke night. Barbara was there with friends and Bob was singing.<ref name="Mumble 3.5">[[Mumble 3.5]]</ref> Cole's friend Chuck, who worked at the bar, has a vivid memory of them being drunk retards.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-07-24-1.PNG|24 July 2007 email #1 from Cole to Chris]]</ref> According to Chris, Barbara did the [[How to Talk to Girls|pursuing]]: "She chased him down the hall." They got married in 1980.<ref name="Mumble 3.5" />

[[Image:0033-MommasBirthday.jpg|thumb|left|She never was much of a looker.]]
According to Chris, Barbara had not had sex with Bob for at least two decades before his death. They had been sleeping in separate rooms for the past few years.<ref>[[IRC (27 December 2008)]]</ref>

On September 1992, Chris and Bob moved from Ruckserville to Chesterfield County.<ref>[[Chris's Wikipedia profile#His Early Years - Birth to 1992]]</ref> Barbara did not accompany them, but rather stayed in their old home. Chris claimed that the separation allowed Barbara to continue working at her job with Virginia Power until retirement, and that she still visited Bob and Chris on every weekend during the time she lived separately from them. After going into retirement when Chris was in the eighth grade (in early 1996), Barbara came to live with her husband and son in Chesterfield.<ref>[[Mailbag 32#Chris is no stranger to stupid name changes]]</ref><ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg]]</ref>

With both Barbara and Bob retired, they resided with Chris in their Ruckersville home. It is difficult to ascertain what their relationship was like, but sources such as the tour of the house would suggest that Chris's parents neglected the family home and spent most of their time apart in separate areas of the house.

Barbara became a widow on 6 September 2011 when Bob died.<ref name="BobObit">http://web.archive.org/web/20130211071324/http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dailyprogress/obituary.aspx?n=robert-franklin-chandler&pid=153539600</ref>

==Treatment of Chris==

===Abuse and manipulation===
{{quote|And he told me of mom saying she was going to pack up and leave the house, then I ran downstairs, finding her on the couch; she was soo miserable and sad; she talked of Wanting to Die, "you don't even have to change my clothes, you can just bury me in what I have on." I was soo sad and crying and soo sorry for the way I misbehaved; we hugged and made up a bit.|An example of how Barb manipulated her adult son into cancelling his plans to attend Magfest, a video game convention.<ref>[[Gal Pal E-mails 3|Borb vs Magfest]]</ref>}}

It appears that Chris's diet doesn't worry Barb. In the night after the Chandler family moved back to Ruckersville, Bob and Chris refused a spaghetti dinner offered by Barb. As a response, Barb decided to forego cooking for her family and hasn't made a meal for Chris since then. <ref>See emails sent by [[Jackie E-mails 24|Chris to Jackie on 24 and 26 April 2011]].</ref>

Barb has often used suicide threats to guilt Chris into obeying her whims.

When Bob and Chris tried to discuss cleaning the hoard to Barb, she responded by threatening suicide.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/yt-1-12-skylanders-imaginators-leader-christine-w-chandler-random-review-n-stuff.27570/page-9#post-2020225 </ref>

During the [[Ivy]] Saga, Barb threatened to her family that she might commit suicide, as a response to the stress she was going through.<ref name="IvyQ&A"/>

In an episode from 2011, she forbade Chris from attending Magfest, by claiming that she would pack up and leave the house, and later that she wanted to die. After Chris folded and went to his room to cry about it, she gave him a "half-payment of a copy of DC Universe Online" as a reward.<ref>[[Gal Pal E-mails 3|Borb vs Magfest]]</ref>

Later that year, after Chris became a [[tomgirl]], Barb tried to stop him from wearing dresses and make-up by telling him she feared he would kill her. She then ordered him to sit down, and she cut his hair<ref>Jackie E-mails 26</ref>.

In addition, Barb has used the specter of old age for her own gain, by manipulating Chris into thinking she will have a heart attack. This tactic has been used so often that Chris will panic and call 911 if Barb does not answer the phone if he checks up on during the times he goes out of the house.<ref>Comments from Marvin on Kiwi Farms, gone when the site was taken down.</ref> When Barb and Chris were both arrested for [[assault and battery]], Chris was extremely worried about her health, saying in an e-mail:

{{quotebox|My mother fought the police in my defense, and she was handcuffed and I was emotionally distraught, I screamed and Screamed and SCREAMED, until an ambulance came for my mother to take her to UVA Hospital; she was okay, but her Blood Pressure was high.

I prayed a LOT to Jesus for my release and safe return home with my mother. And I banged the cell door with both my feet while lying on a folding mattress on the floor (to get those bastards to let me see and talk to my mother

Only after seeing my mother in her suit pass by my second cell, did I start to calm down. I was REALLY WORRIED about my mother and her health. She Needed Me, and I Needed Her. }}

A troll summed up Chris's relationship with Barb:
{{quoteboxgreen|Well, I don't think they talk very much. However, no, Chris is Barb's hand servant. She screams for him and he comes running. She has him change the newspaper the dogs shit on, she has him run errands to bring her stuff, and she used to have him haul her goodwill crap to the car, and then from the car into the house.

''...''

I think Barb's yelling has gotten much less frequent nowadays. It seems like she's pretty feeble nowadays. Chris is just as scared of Barb as he used to be though. I don't think he realizes how much power he has over Barb nowadays.

They're really physically affectionate in a strange way. Chris is pretty touchy feely with women because of habits he learned by spending time with Barb.<ref>https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YAJnFcGDS9kJ:https://kiwifarms.net/threads/is-chris-really-qualified-to-be-caring-for-barb.16435/page-4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us</ref>}}

After Bob died, Barb's abuse of Chris escalated. She treated him as a slave and forced him to be on-call at all times. Around 2013, she forced Chris to move out of his bedroom, specifically so she could bark orders at him more efficiently, by throwing a tantrum and wrecking his possessions.

{{quoteboxgreen|a few months to a year before the fire, Chris stopped being permitted to sleep separately from Barb, in his bedroom. He had to sleep closer to Barb, because she needed to be able to yell for him to go to [[sheetz]] and buy her crap, and he wasn't able to hear her up in his bedroom. He kind of tried to resist at first, but then she got super pissed and threw a tantrum. She wrecked his room and like flipped everything over because he was trying to sleep on his own.<ref>https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:YAJnFcGDS9kJ:https://kiwifarms.net/threads/is-chris-really-qualified-to-be-caring-for-barb.16435/page-4+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us</ref>}}

===Pampering===
{{quote|Yeah, but then my Mom is pretty much jealous of me loving another woman more than her.|Chris, describing his [[Wikipedia:Oedipus complex|Oedipus complex]].<ref>[[Mumble 10]]</ref>}}

[[Image:0028-ChristopherWMom1.jpg|thumb|Barbara evolved into Snorlax as she raised Chris.]]

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File:Parenting Interview 001.jpg|Barb and Bob's answers on a parenting quiz
File:Parenting Interview 002.jpg|Barb and Bob's answers on a parenting quiz
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According to Cole, Bob and Barbara left Chris alone every day for years with the [[abusive babysitter]] while going out drinking, effectively ignoring the onset of the earliest symptoms of autism.<ref>[[:Image:Cole 07-03-06-3.PNG|6 March 2007 email from Cole to Chris, page 3]]</ref> After Chris's initial diagnosis, and after their negligence was inevitably thrown back in their face, Barbara resorted to any means necessary to coax Chris into talking, most notoriously by bribing him with toys.<ref>[[Song of Christian]]</ref>

[[Image:ImWorkingOnIt.png|thumb|left|Chris and Barbara in an intimate moment.]]

While both Chris's parents are largely responsible for Chris's current state, Barb has more often than not been the most active in protecting Chris from recognizing any failure or shortcoming on his part, doing everything from being his sole commission with [[Cutco]] to going as his date to his [[Manchester High School#The Senior Prom|seinor [sic] prom]].

This pattern of accountability continues even into Chris's adult years. On at least two occasions, most notably after he was banned for good, Barbara visited [[the GAMe PLACe]] attempting to protect and defend her little snowflake and argue his case with [[Michael Snyder]], but to no avail.

As first evidenced by the "GAMe PLACe/4Chan picture" incident, she is extremely paranoid regarding Chris's online misadventures, likely because she fears that he'll [[Jerkhief|get]] [[Bagget|arrested]] and [[28 October 2011|go to prison]]. Given some of the violent states of some of his videos and Chris's [[Arrest|track record]], she's probably not too far from the truth. She may also suspect that Chris is a [[pedofork|pedophile]], as she [[Mumble 10| thought it was possible that he may have fallen for a ''To Catch A Predator''-esque sting operation]] during the [[Julie]] fiasco. She even seems to suspect that [[Megan Schroeder]], one of the few women Chris has known who ''wasn't'' out to troll him, is partially responsible for the persecution he has endured over the years. She does her part to keep his activities under control by acting as Chris's personal concierge, as seen when she interrogated [[Ivy]] for about half an hour before letting her speak to Chris.<ref name="IvyQ&A">[[Ivy Q&A]]</ref>

Barbara constantly babies Chris and tells him how handsome he is.<ref>[[Sonichu Girls]] and [[White knight emails]]</ref> She also told Chris that the reason he often "blanks out" or gets confused isn't that he's a lazy dumbass, but that he's a "[[Chris and art|creative genius]] and is simply overwhelmed by having so many creative ideas".<ref>[[Kacey Call 12]]</ref>

However, it seems that even Barb has her limits. Like Bob, she was [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Coming out to my parents|ashamed of Chris's effeminate escapades]], claiming that she didn't raise a daughter, and that "tomgirl" is not a thing. [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia#Re: Mothers|She tried and failed]] to get Chris to stop wearing a bra and panties, even offering to pay him to stop.

===Spooning===
{{quote|I, myself, Did have dreams of having sex with my mother.|[[August 2016 Facebook posts#Incestuous Thoughts|One result of Barb's parenting choices, as explained by Chris in August 2016.]]
}}

To cap off their relationship, Chris revealed in private conversations with multiple people that Barb has spooned with him.<ref>[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGU4nSlX0M ''PVCC NEW info: on Chris and Barbara spoon eachother!'' (YouTube)]</ref>

From [[Arthur Spatchcock]]:
{{quoteboxred|Story time, kids. Now most of us are aware of the fire; how Barb and Chris were displaced for some time while the house was getting renovated. You know how Chris was all whiny about his legos, right? Some getting melted, shit like that...well he kind of left out that his own bed was ruined as well given it had years of grease soaked into it because not bathing is so chic in his eyes. So when they got back home Chris didn't have his own bed anymore so he was sharing one with Barb instead. This came with the horrifying addendum that Barb wanted to spoon with him; I don't know if he was little spoon or big spoon but I know she was unimpressed and one night just unloaded on him angrily enough that Chris decided to get his own bed with his own money. So it goes without saying that from the time Chris and Barb got back home until he got that grand he was sleeping in the same bed as his mother.<ref>https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BN2t1QLl1LoJ:https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-4-11-e-begging-intensifies.19356/page-5+&cd=6&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us</ref>}}

Barb's habit of cuddling with Chris had been going on since Bob was alive, and he knew of it, but Barb was too manipulative and he wasn't able to stop her<ref>http://archive.is/zwWV9</ref>.

==Health problems==
===Physical===
[[Image:Cheers01.jpg|thumb|Artist's depiction.]]
[[File:Barb.PNG|thumb|left|''Arrangement in Pink and Purple: The Autist's Mother'']]

Like Chris, Barbara has been [[obesity|obese]]. As little as ten years ago Barbara was reasonably slim, but, along with Chris, ballooned out in more recent years, to the point of resembling an American [[Wikipedia:Rose West|Rose West]]. Her massive size earned her the affectionate nickname '''Snorlax''' from the [[trolls]]. Barb's size may have led to her [[stress|sleeping a lot]]<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref> and usually skipping [[Wesley Memorial United Methodist Church|church]].<ref>[[Church audio]]</ref>

In [[October 2009]], Barbara spent her birthday at the hospital with what the Chandlers thought was food poisoning.<ref name="9 October 2009">[[9 October 2009]]</ref> Barbara was diagnosed with [[Wikipedia:Colitis|colitis]], a gastrointestinal disease characterized by the inflammation of the colon. It manifests in diarrhea and cramps. Which kind of colitis has yet to be determined. It seems the Chandler family's diet has finally come to affect her, and in order to survive she will have to change her eating habits; considering their stubbornness, this clearly will end badly.

Hearing the plight of the Chandler family, [[Trolls|fans]] of Sonichu have created the website "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" to spread awareness regarding AIDS and to collect donations for research foundations and charities.<ref>[http://sites.google.com/site/barbarachandlerhasaids/home "Barbara Chandler Has AIDS" Awareness Website]</ref> Chris himself denied his mom has AIDS.<ref name="9 October 2009"/>

According to eyewitness reports, Barbara lost weight in 2012.<ref>[[This is how the Trial went‎]]</ref> Her weight loss is visible in photos Chris took of her at a 2012 Mythbusters tour stop in Washington, DC.<ref>[[:File:BarbMarch2012.png]]</ref>

In a [[Twitter|tweet]] to Cole from June 29, 2013, Chris tells him that "[he] ought to be over here putting bandages on [their] Mom's holey buttocks." It was not clear exactly what sort of problem this referred to, though it didn't sound pleasant. On October 14, 2013, Chris elaborated in a Facebook post, stating, "my mother stresses me with her continuous rants about her damn miniature scabie flies, her suffering, the low finances and shit!!!" Consensus was that the so called "holey buttocks" were in fact lesions. It is now believed that Barb currently has a colony of parasitic mites (rather than flies) that have burrowed into her bountiful booty. Naturally, while Barb is being eaten alive, Chris whines about having to take care of her.

On 23 August 2013 Chris revealed that Barbara had been afflicted with breast cancer but managed to survive.<ref>[[Facebook#Breast Cancer Awareness]]</ref> He did not give details about when was she diagnosed with the ailment, at what stage it was and what kind of treatment was Barb given.

More recently, Chris has been talking less and less about his surviving parent, so information about how she's doing is scarce. However, what little information we do have suggests that she isn't doing so well. In August 2014, Chris begged for money on [[Facebook]], [[Lego|supposedly]] to pay dental fees, as he claimed his mother had cavities in her teeth which needed treatment. On the occasion that she attended Chris's [[26 December 2014|court hearings]] throughout [[2015]], Christorians in attendance invariably noted that although she has lost weight, she appears to have low muscle mass (probably due to her sedentary lifestyle). In particular, at [[26 December 2014#15 October Hearing|his last hearing]], it was noted that Barb appeared to be growing increasingly frail and possibly senile, as she did not appear to be very responsive, and appeared much more submissive to Chris than she has otherwise been known to be. Chris also reportedly got short with her due to her poor hearing.

In November 2015, [[Family Needs to appreciate Family]] was uploaded to YouTube. The video is a plea for [[Cole Smithey]], [[David Alan Chandler]], and [[Carol Suzanne Chandler]] to visit Barb before "Her time runs out", even though the latter two aren't Barb's children.

In August 2016, [[Anna McLerran]] posted a photo on Facebook of herself and Barb together. In it, Barb appears to have aged significantly since her last appearance in the "Donations Further Requested, Please" video.

In [[November 2016]], Barb escaped injury when she slipped and fell on [[14 Branchland Court|the hoard]].

===Mental===
Barb is understood by most to be a highly unstable woman, and worryingly, many of her behaviors can also be observed in Chris. Many believe her to be a narcissist, on account of her seemingly baseless belief that she is [[Daniel Weston|descended from]] [[Anne Boleyn|Tudor high nobility]], and the pathological manner in which she lies and assigns blame to others, even in instances when any sane person could see that only they were in the wrong. All of these traits are shared by Chris, with Barb's apparent encouragement. Additionally, many aspects of her relationship with Chris are consistent with [http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/mothers-with-narcissistic-personality-disorder/ narcissistic motherhood], which is a fascinating but complex topic too lengthy to be discussed in detail here. Although Chris seems to be her [http://www.daughtersofnarcissisticmothers.com/golden-child-and-scapegoat/ "golden child"], she does not shy from mistreating him if he displeases her. This can be seen in an email to [[Jackie]] from May 2011; Chris claimed that his mother flew into a rage over his [[Tomgirl]] inclinations, forcing him to submit to a haircut and [[Death threats|threatening to kill him]].<ref name="jackie26" />

Aside from her narcissism, Barb is also noted by Christorians for her hoarding. Chris labels Barb a "pack rat"<ref>[[Father Call]]</ref>, and on more than one occasion has indicated his displeasure at her hoarding and the state it has left [[14 Branchland Court|their house]] in, although neither he nor Bob are known to have ever seriously challenged it. Barb compulsively hoards her purchases, particularly from Goodwill, which, by [[2009]], had rendered the living room uninhabitable.<ref>[[Tour of Chris's House]]</ref> When Bob was admitted to the hospital for the final time, he was quarantined for bug bites, ostensibly due to the conditions in the Chandler household. <ref>[[Rocky Shoemaker call]]</ref> The situation did not improve after Bob's passing, either. A [[Tour of Chris's House II|second house tour video]] made by Chris in [[2013]] revealed that Barb's hoarding had gotten severe enough to render entire rooms literally inaccessible, with some rooms literally full of stuff to within inches of the ceiling, and others reduced to crevices carved into walls of junk.

Barb's hoarding was predicted by many to lead to disaster, and finally did on [[January 2014|January 10 2014]], when in the wee hours of the morning, Chris [[Destruction Of Chris's House|started a house fire]] while trying to brew coffee in the bathroom, because the kitchen had been among the rooms blocked off by Barb's junk. Naturally, Barb's hoard provided ample kindling for the fire, and the house was severely damaged before the fire could be contained. In fact, given the state of the house in the second tour video, it's surprising that Chris and Barb were able to escape. Equally unsurprising, however, is the fact that one of the Chandlers' remaining cats died in the blaze, and one of the fire-fighters sent to the scene also suffered unspecified injuries.

While the Chandlers [[Rental House|relocated]], pending repairs to their home, Barb's stuff went into storage. When repairs were completed a year later, Barb had all of it moved back to 14 Branchland Court, and is not known to have disposed of any of it, even though, by all accounts, most of what she and Chris were able to salvage is either fire, smoke or water damaged, rendering it completely useless.

On [[July 2016|July 13 2016]], Barb unexpectedly starred in [[Donations Further Requested, Please|one of Chris's e-begging videos]]. In the minute-long video, she speaks slowly and almost inaudibly, hardly moving or blinking for the entirety of the video. While some have voiced concerns that this may be an early sign of dementia, it is just as likely that Barb, being Barb, was putting on an act for money.

==Legal problems==
On [[28 October 2011]], Chris and Barb were caught in an incident with [[The GAMe PLACe]], and were actually arrested with several serious charges, with Barb's including felony assault and failure to stop. The two were later released on bail. After a succession of court hearings, Barb, along with her son, was arraigned on her felony charges on 10 July 2012. She was sentenced to community service and was put under a two-year probation, as well as being ordered to pay Michael Snyder's medical bills. When informed of the latter fact during the trial, Chris explained that his mother, a retired, obese, seventy-year-old woman, would take care of the charges for him. No one was particularly surprised at this revelation.

==Financial problems==
In 2016, Barb was sued by a Discover bank in Norfolk for not paying debts. This came to light on [[March 2016|March 14]] [[2016]] when sharp eyed [[Kiwi Farms|Kiwis]] noticed that she had a hearing on March 16. As she must have been outright ignoring her debt for some time for the bank to take her to court over it, it was widely assumed that she would ignore the summons too. Instead, once the court records were updated, many were surprised to see that not only had Barb attended, but she had represented herself, too. Equally unsurprisingly, this bold move failed to pay off, and Barb was still sentenced to pay $4,706.93<ref>[[:File:Barb discover bank result.png]]</ref>.

Five months later, Barb was sued again, this time by Capital One Bank, for the same reason. The hearing in September resulted in a Default Judgement against Barb, meaning that she didn't bother attending. She owes Capital One $15,906.99<ref>[[:File:Barb vs Capital One Bank result.png]]</ref>.

Her out-of-control debt was the catalyst for the [[Financhu Crisis]] of 2016.

In June through July of that year, Barb appeared in three videos:

*[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help]]
*[[Donations Requested, Please]]
*[[Donations Further Requested, Please]]

In the videos, she and Chris beg for donations, claiming to need money for her asthma medication and dental work (although they receive a combined amount of $2,500 per month from the government<ref>[[Chris and money#But wait, Chris isn't employed!]]</ref> and their costly hoards are clearly visible behind them).

She has failed to take accountability for ruining the family's finances, trying to pin the blame on Chris<ref>[[Patreon announcement]]</ref>, even though her known debt of over $20,000 is much larger than Chris's.

She and Chris had an inheritance from Bob worth "tens of thousands of dollars" when he passed away, but Barb decided to frivolously spend it on [[Rob Bell]] in an attempt to gain exoneration for her [[assault and battery]] charge.

==Appearances==
[[File:Bc.PNG|thumb|300px|Chris gets to live out his fantasy of being (and having) an adequate son.]]
[[File:Barb drawing Nov. '15.jpg|200px|right|thumb|Barb in a drawing released in [[November 2015]].]]
===In ''Sonichu''===
In [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]], Barbara makes a brief appearance in "Classic Sonichu Strips".

In [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]], the male [[Dating education#In Sonichu|Dating Education]] students are given Barbara dolls to talk to.

In the 2015 revisions to [[Sonichu 10]], Chris wrote out Bianca's character and replaced her with his mother.

According to the [[CWCipedia]], [[Sandy Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children]] go to Anneweston Elementary School.<ref>[[CWCipedia]] on [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Wild_Sonichu Wild Sonichu]</ref> It is unknown whether or not Sonichu and Rosechu's children still go that school after their [[Sonichu and Rosechu's children#Sonichu and Rosechu's children|evolution]].

===Audio===
* Private Skype chat with [[Sarah May]].
* 4 [[February 2009]], [[Mumble 2]]: Barbara denies singing while vacuuming Chris's [[room]].
* 17 [[February 2009]], [[BlueSpike PSN Chat 2]]: Barbara talks to Chris but when Julie wants to talk to her, Barbara says she isn't "able to talk to anybody right now."
* [[March 2009]]: Barbara takes over the phone from Chris when Clyde [[Clyde#Prostitutes|calls after the date with Emily]].
* [[Kacey Call 15]]: Chris keeps [[Kacey]] on the phone for nearly fourteen minutes while Barb talks about the value of [[Chris and his Ego|humility]], her poor health, and her relationship with Bob, among other things.
* [[November 2009]], [[Kacey and Liquid Call]]: Barbara tells Chris to "just hang up on the bitch!"
* 10 [[August 2010]], [[Matthew Noble call]]: Barbara claims that Megan "lied" to Chris and abruptly hangs up mid-sentence. Throughout the call, she can be heard denying that she and Bob are the slightest bit in the wrong. At one point she complains about the time Michael Snyder kicked her and Chris out of the GAMe PLACe following Chris's final ban from the store.
* [[Prank calls]]: Barbara yells in the background and foreground of several prank calls.

===Videos===
Barbara has appeared in six videos to date as of [[February 2015]]: off-camera in the [[Christian Weston Chandler Interview]], and on-camera (for the first time) in [[You're Always Pretty]]. [[ChandlerFamilyChristmas2004|Two decade-old videos]] were leaked in December 2014 showing the Chandlers celebrating Christmas. Another video of her was recorded by a [[troll]] as she and Chris left court after his hearing in February 2015.

[[Donations Required, Serious. Please help|Two more]] [[Donations Requested, Please|videos]] were released June 2016 showing Chris begging for donations to buy asthma pills for Barbara. Barbara is shown practically dead in both of these videos so [[Chris and Death|god only knows what will happen in the near future.]]

In a [[Donations Further Requested, Please|video]] released on 13 July 2016, Barbara joins her son in shamelessly e-begging. Her voice tired and hoarse, mouth agape, she stares directly into the camera like a deer caught in the headlights.
{{-}}

==Gallery==

<center>
<gallery>
Image:Babs1956.PNG|Barb's 8th grade (or "Pre-Freshman") photo.
Image:Babs1957.PNG|Barb's freshman photo from high school.
Image:Babs1960.PNG|Barb's senior photo from high school.
File:Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.png|Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents
Image:0002-1-Baby Chris and Mommy.jpg|Barbara with baby Chris. Oh, how full of hope and promise.
Image:0027-ChristopherWMom2.jpg|"Talk, you little idiot!"
Image:0026-ChrisAndMom.jpg
Image:0107-ChristianWMom.jpg|This is when [[The Simpsons]] went downhill.
Image:0063-BobAndBarbaraNewLife.jpg
Image:0096-MomRetire4.jpg|Barbara's retirement party from secretarial services at Virginia Power in 1996.<ref>[[:Image:0078-CWCNote2.jpg|DVD, note 2]]</ref>
Image:0029-BarbaraWithDrinks.jpg
Image:0113-MomsBirthday97-1.jpg|From her 55th birthday.
Image:0229-ChristianAndMomInClass.jpg
Image:0037-BarbaraInGreen.jpg|Nothing says the 80s like a woman in a power suit and a lady tie.
Image:0041-BarbaraCorinaTomAndHerriet.jpg|Barb with [[Aunt Corrina]], Uncle Tom, and Aunt Harriet.
Image:0042-BarbaraCorinaHerrietAndElvis.jpg|The King left the building when he started to notice the foul smell of the Chandler house.
Image:0618-BarbaraIs60-1.jpg|Poor Barb, Chris put [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] on HER birthday cake.
Image:0074-BarbaraWSonicDoll.jpg
Image:0540-Prom2.jpg|It was originally believed this image was from Chris's graduation. Turns out this is from his senior prom, where he took his mom as his date.
Image:0549-Prom11.jpg|Barb, talking to [[Tiffany Gowen|Tiffany]], one of Chris's [[gal pals]], at the prom.
Image:0839-MomDesi.JPG|Barb, evolved into Snorlax.
Image:Babura.PNG|Barb [[You're Always Pretty|is always pretty]].
BarbMarch2012.png|Barb in 2012, having devolved from a Snorlax into a Munchlax.
File:SnoopyDoobieDoo.png|With [[Snoopy]] in [[2013]].
File:LegoSnorlax.jpg|As [[Chris]] sees her in [[Lego]] form
File:BarbAmiibo.jpg|Barb [[Amiibo]], complete with cleavage. Buy yours today on [[Etsy]].
File:Barb and anna.jpg|With Anna, presumably in August 2016.
File:Chandlers.Png|Barb and Chris. Barb is interrupting Chris during a live [[YouTube]] stream.
</gallery>
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==Sources==
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==External links==
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[[File:Stamps original.mp400002.png|thumb|200px|Bob's stamp collection, pictured before being sold piecemeal so Chris could buy more toys.]]

'''Stamp collecting''' was a hobby enjoyed by both [[Bob]] and [[Chris]]. In March 2017, Chris began selling pieces of his late father's collection on [[eBay]], lying several times about needing to pay [[Financhu Crisis|bills]], but actually spending his profit on toys instead. He followed up by offering his own stamp album [[DStecks|for $1,000]]. He also hatched a new [[business]] scheme, consisting of a raffle in which participants could enter by purchasing stamps for a chance to win a [[Son-Chu]] figure and/or merchandise of Chris's [[Skylanders avatar]].

==The hobby==
Bob started his collection in the mid-1930s, when he was around eight years old. It began with a stamp from Romania, and the collection continued to reflect his interest in foreign countries and the United Nations. By the time of his death in 2011, he had amassed six boxes worth of stamp books<ref>[[I'm selling my father's stamp collection; come on down and buy some of it]]</ref>. The Romanian stamp, which he had kept through the decades, was still in his possession.<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref>

Chris began his collection in 1992, at the age of ten. Bob had introduced him to the hobby, as he wanted to share his interests, and purchased a beginner's stamp album for him. Chris had filled in dozens of spaces in the book, indicating that he liked the hobby.

==Sales==
In 2017, Chris began offering stamp covers from Bob's set and his own stamp album on [[eBay]], ostensibly to pay [[Financhu Crisis|bills]]. However, this was quickly proven to be a [[lie]], as he had actually used the money to buy toys, as soon as one day after the first batch of Bob's stamp covers were listed.

He set prices for Bob's pieces at wildly fluctuating levels, some starting at $2, with others as high as $30. In a display of his [[ego]], he then tried to sell his personal stamp album for $1,000, despite the fact that Bob's stamps were decades old and more valuable whereas Chris's consisted of more recent releases.

[[File:Chandler-Stamp.Jpg|Chris's first stamp album. Look at those digits.]]

===Bob's stamp collection===
[[File:Stamps original.mp400001.png|thumb]]
On 1 March 2017, Chris began selling pieces of Bob's stamp collection. In [[I'm selling my father's stamp collection; come on down and buy some of it|a video advertising the sales]], he mentioned having six boxes of stamp books. Initial responses were good; in the first day, he made $63 in sales from eight listings. However, sales quickly stagnated, bouncing back only after subsequent mentions on Facebook. On 19 March, following ten days of no sales, he begged for more, and white knights swiftly responded by purchasing $42.50 across seven stamp covers. This was followed by another lull, and sales shot up again on 27 March after Chris announced a raffle.

An example of one listing's description is below:

{{quotebox|Region: United Nations Year of Issue: 1967 Topic: Flags, National Emblems Cancellation Type: First Day of Issue Color:Rainbow Quality: Lightly Hinged

United Nations Pavilion EXPO cachet 1967 first day cover, Gold Seal; part of a collection from my late father; it is in Great Condition; will ship in envelope between cardstock sheets for protection. Make multiple purchases to save on shipping fees.}}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Number of stamps offered
! Number sold
! Sales revenue
! Profit wasted on toys<ref>[[List of toys#Bought in 2017 from eBay]]</ref> <ref>[[List of Chris's video games#PlayStation 4 (PS4)]]</ref>
|-
|66
|40
|$201
|$90
|}

The following is a list of stamps Chris put up for sale, along with notes on pricing and when they were sold. All listings offer free shipping (meaning a piece of his revenue goes to cover shipping, about 50) cents per sale).

{{collapsible
|List of stamp covers offered for sale|
*'''United Nations Pavilion EXPO cachet 1967 first day cover, Gold Seal'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $6
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations 25th Anniversary 1951-1976 UNPA first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations Geneva Air Mail cachet 1977 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2
*Sold: 1 March
*Relisted: 1 March
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Official Geneva cachet 1970 first day cover - Silver Seals'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Central Hall London cachet 1958 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations regular postage cachet 1962 Security Council first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations Water Conference cachet 1977 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations 25th Anniversary World Federation of United Nations Associates cachet 1951-1976 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 1 March
*Relisted: 1 March

*'''United Nations World Intellectual Property Organization, L'Organisation Mondiale De La Propriete Intellectuelle, cachet 1977 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Combattons Le Racisme first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $20 (Chris revised it down from $30)

*Note: A Kiwi Farms user placed a Best Offer of $5. Chris declined it.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-3-1-selling-bobs-stamp-collection.28698/page-11#post-2098923</ref>

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conseil de Securite first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conference des Nations Unies Sur L'Eau first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Hall Groat first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 6 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Combat Racism first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Security Council first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1970 United Nations Postal Administration first day cover, with FOUR Stamps on it'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $25

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1970 United Nations Postal Administration Blue first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1969 UNPA Grey first day cover, with Four Stamps'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1969 UNPA first day cover, with Four Stamps'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $25

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Combat Racism (Grafitti) first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 2 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Security Council first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 2 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Water Conference first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 WIPO first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Combat Racism first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 3 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conseil de Securite Cables first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2
*Sold: 9 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conseil de Sur L'Eau first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Intellectual Leonardo Da Vinci first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Security Council-Waldheim Succed Thant 1971 first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $30

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover Sources D'Energie'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover EnergieQeellen'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover New and Renewable Energy Sources'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover New and Renewable Energy Quellen'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations 1975 International Women's Year Cover f/s0.60'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1975 International Women's Year Cover f/s0.90'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations 1973 first day cover 25th Anniversary Declaration of HR 40fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 21 March

*'''United Nations 1973 first day cover 25th Anniversary Declaration of HR 80fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $7.50
*Sold: 31 March

*'''United Nations 1975 First Day Cover Peaceful Uses of Extra Space Atmosphere 60fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $7.50
*Sold: 31 March

*'''United Nations 1975 First Day Cover Peaceful Uses of Extra Space Atmosphere 90fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10.00
*Sold: 1 April

*'''United Nations 1972 Fist Day Cover Environment 80fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold 19 March

*'''United Nations 1972 Fist Day Cover Conserve Our Human Environment 15c'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5.00

*'''United Nations 1971 UN International School First Day Cover 25th Ann UNICEF'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1971 First Day Cover Art featuring Alexander Rutsch'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1972 Fist Day Cover Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 27 March

*'''United Nations Geneva 1972 Fist Day Cover Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1973 FD Cover Against Drugs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 World Population Year 60fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations Geneva 1972 FD Cover Economic Commission for Europe'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1973 FD Cover Vounteers of UN'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover ILO Travel Bureau 60fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations Geneva Law of the Sea Official Geneva Cachet 1974'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1972 Jose Marie Sert FD Cover 15c'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover Postal Union 60 fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover World Population Year 80fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $3.50
*Sold: 31 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover Bresil Art 1.00 Fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover ILO Travel Bureau 80fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $3.50
*Sold 29 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover NAMIBIA'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1973 Decade of Disarmment'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 Jose Marie Sert FD Cover 40fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 Jose Marie Sert FD Cover 80fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover Economic Commission for Europe'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Da Vinci'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Pilatre de Rozier'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Otto Lilienthal'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Sir George Cayley'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 INTELLECTUAL LEONARDO DA VINCI first day cover'''
*Listed: 4 April, as Buy It Now
*Price: $15
}}

One of the buyers, who bought a stamp cover for #2.50, reported that it had been crumpled up and stained, with a smudge of possible bodily fluid on the mailed envelope.

{{quotebox|Stamps came in today and the collectors value of the stamps themselves have been ruined. The envelope which the stamps are on has been crumpled and stained lightly, even within the protective sleeve. This means at some time, Chris took the stamps out of the sleeve, mishandled it, put in back into the three fold sleeve and shipped it.

The mailing envelope it came in on also has some type of smudge that I haven't dared to figure out what it is.
It kind of looks like dried bloody snot, I dare not touch it.

All in all, Chris has ruined the value of the stamps just by handling them improperly, and has possibly attached something disgusting to his package.

Would not recommend buying from again.

Also, I purchased only one set of stamps, I'm not the mass buyer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-3-27-raffle-to-win-a-son-chu-figure.29536/page-8#post-2166887</ref>
}}

Another person left feedback on his eBay profile, saying the cover had been mishandled. Regardless, the feedback was rated positive.

{{quotebox|came okay, clearly mishandled though, but in a decent enough condition}}

The sale had been for "United Nations Pavilion EXPO cachet 1967 first day cover, Gold Seal" for $6.

===Chris's stamp album===
Two days after offering pieces of Bob's stamp collection for sale, generally for $5 per piece, Chris listed [http://archive.is/M5yKc his personal stamp album] for a whopping $1,000. Unsurprisingly, it failed to sell and the listing expired from eBay the next month. Chris then relisted it, still asking for the full $1,000 price.

*Listed: 3 March 2017, as Buy It Now
*Price: $1,000
*Shipping: Free

{{quotebox|
As owned by Christine Weston Chandler, formally known as Christopher, followed by Christian, as signed back in 1992 at 10 years old; she is to become famous for her art and comics of her very own Sonichu and Rosechu characters, is this unique copy of "A First Stamp Album for Beginners", from Robert Obojski, published in 1984. As shown in the images, and in between the remaining pages, are a variety of select stamps personally added into the book's pages, and then some with additional pages, and a few loose stamps that remained in there from as early as June, 1992. As a collectible, and educational material, you can take a page from my book to get a start in your own Stamp Collection, and the enclosed stamps are quite valuable too; more than a hundred various stamps included. Very Sentimental too. }}

<center><gallery>
File:Cwc stamp album1.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album2.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album3.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album4.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album5.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album6.jpeg
File:Stampbonus.jpeg|Bonus stamps
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A troll asked a stamp collector friend to contact Chris and attempt to inform him that his asking price was too high. Chris responded<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-3-1-selling-bobs-stamp-collection.28698/page-15#post-2114976</ref>:

{{quotebox|As the actual person, herself, I wrote my original name way back in 1992, before I had my name legally changed from Christopher to Christian, and I added the "ian" shortly after that name change. And I added my current name recently. I have created Sonichu and Rosechu; more than [[DStecks|eleven books of content about them]] and all related therein. I have been famous for them as early as March, 2000. I am still talked about by thousands to millions of people online. So there. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy this actual item from me. Have a good and safe day now. :)}}

On 13 March, Chris tried to sweeten the deal by offering some of Bob's stamps as a bonus.
{{quotebox|<nowiki>**BONUS**</nowiki>

Set of Seven commemorative packs of gently used stamps (an $11-plus value). And Ten randomly selected UN Stamp Covers, counting the two predetermined covers in the photo above (a $100-plus value)

-1971 UN International School UNICEF First Day Issue Pablo Picasso stamps

-1971 UN Eliminate Racial Discrimination First Day Issue}}

==Raffle==
Near the end of his first month of stamp sales, Chris announced a giveaway contest, in which people could enter between "[[Honor roll|March 27, 2017 and April 31st, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Eastern Standard Time; 3:59 AM Pacific Time]]."<ref>[[March 2017 Facebook Posts#Raffle for new merch]]</ref>

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Number of sales
! Number of participants
! Sales revenue during the raffle
! Notes
|-
|18
|5
|$69.50
|14 of the stamp covers, at a cost of $51, were bought by one person.
|}

Cost of entry was described as buying one of the stamp covers or the album, with a limit of one entry per person. The prizes are as follows:

*One winner to receive a [[Son-Chu]] custom figure and a [[Skylanders avatar]] doll.
*Fifteen runners-up to each receive a [[Skylanders avatar]] card.

*A person who buys the $1,000 album would win a set of all three.

==See also==
*[[eBay]]
*[[Financhu Crisis]]

==References==
<references />

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Stamps

2017-04-08T02:19:26Z

The-Site-User: /* Sales */

[[File:Stamps original.mp400002.png|thumb|200px|Bob's stamp collection, pictured before being sold piecemeal so Chris could buy more toys.]]

'''Stamp collecting''' was a hobby enjoyed by both [[Bob]] and [[Chris]]. In March 2017, Chris began selling pieces of his late father's collection on [[eBay]], lying several times about needing to pay [[Financhu Crisis|bills]], but actually spending his profit on toys instead. He followed up by offering his own stamp album [[DStecks|for $1,000]]. He also hatched a new [[business]] scheme, consisting of a raffle in which participants could enter by purchasing stamps for a chance to win a [[Son-Chu]] figure and/or merchandise of Chris's [[Skylanders avatar]].

==The hobby==
Bob started his collection in the mid-1930s, when he was around eight years old. It began with a stamp from Romania, and the collection continued to reflect his interest in foreign countries and the United Nations. By the time of his death in 2011, he had amassed six boxes worth of stamp books<ref>[[I'm selling my father's stamp collection; come on down and buy some of it]]</ref>. The Romanian stamp, which he had kept through the decades, was still in his possession.<ref>[[BlueSpike PSN Chat 3.7]]</ref>

Chris began his collection in 1992, at the age of ten. Bob had introduced him to the hobby, as he wanted to share his interests, and purchased a beginner's stamp album for him. Chris had filled in dozens of spaces in the book, indicating that he liked the hobby.

==Sales==
In 2017, Chris began offering stamp covers from Bob's set and his own stamp album on [[eBay]], ostensibly to pay [[Financhu Crisis|bills]]. However, this was quickly proven to be a [[lie]], as he had actually used the money to buy toys, as soon as one day after the first batch of Bob's stamp covers were listed.

He set prices for Bob's pieces at wildly fluctuating levels, some starting at $2, with others as high as $30. In a display of his [[ego]], he then tried to sell his personal stamp album for $1,000, despite the fact that Bob's stamps were decades old and more valuable whereas Chris's consisted of more recent releases.

[[File:Chandler-Stamp.Jpg]]

===Bob's stamp collection===
[[File:Stamps original.mp400001.png|thumb]]
On 1 March 2017, Chris began selling pieces of Bob's stamp collection. In [[I'm selling my father's stamp collection; come on down and buy some of it|a video advertising the sales]], he mentioned having six boxes of stamp books. Initial responses were good; in the first day, he made $63 in sales from eight listings. However, sales quickly stagnated, bouncing back only after subsequent mentions on Facebook. On 19 March, following ten days of no sales, he begged for more, and white knights swiftly responded by purchasing $42.50 across seven stamp covers. This was followed by another lull, and sales shot up again on 27 March after Chris announced a raffle.

An example of one listing's description is below:

{{quotebox|Region: United Nations Year of Issue: 1967 Topic: Flags, National Emblems Cancellation Type: First Day of Issue Color:Rainbow Quality: Lightly Hinged

United Nations Pavilion EXPO cachet 1967 first day cover, Gold Seal; part of a collection from my late father; it is in Great Condition; will ship in envelope between cardstock sheets for protection. Make multiple purchases to save on shipping fees.}}

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Number of stamps offered
! Number sold
! Sales revenue
! Profit wasted on toys<ref>[[List of toys#Bought in 2017 from eBay]]</ref> <ref>[[List of Chris's video games#PlayStation 4 (PS4)]]</ref>
|-
|66
|40
|$201
|$90
|}

The following is a list of stamps Chris put up for sale, along with notes on pricing and when they were sold. All listings offer free shipping (meaning a piece of his revenue goes to cover shipping, about 50) cents per sale).

{{collapsible
|List of stamp covers offered for sale|
*'''United Nations Pavilion EXPO cachet 1967 first day cover, Gold Seal'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $6
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations 25th Anniversary 1951-1976 UNPA first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations Geneva Air Mail cachet 1977 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2
*Sold: 1 March
*Relisted: 1 March
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Official Geneva cachet 1970 first day cover - Silver Seals'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Central Hall London cachet 1958 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations regular postage cachet 1962 Security Council first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations Water Conference cachet 1977 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations 25th Anniversary World Federation of United Nations Associates cachet 1951-1976 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $8
*Sold: 1 March
*Relisted: 1 March

*'''United Nations World Intellectual Property Organization, L'Organisation Mondiale De La Propriete Intellectuelle, cachet 1977 first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Combattons Le Racisme first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $20 (Chris revised it down from $30)

*Note: A Kiwi Farms user placed a Best Offer of $5. Chris declined it.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-3-1-selling-bobs-stamp-collection.28698/page-11#post-2098923</ref>

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conseil de Securite first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conference des Nations Unies Sur L'Eau first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Hall Groat first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 6 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Combat Racism first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Security Council first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 1 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1970 United Nations Postal Administration first day cover, with FOUR Stamps on it'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $25

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1970 United Nations Postal Administration Blue first day cover'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1969 UNPA Grey first day cover, with Four Stamps'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1969 UNPA first day cover, with Four Stamps'''
*Listed: 1 March, as Buy It Now
*Relisted: 4 April
*Price: $25

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Combat Racism (Grafitti) first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 2 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Security Council first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 2 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 Water Conference first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations WFUNA cachet 1977 WIPO first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 19 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Combat Racism first day cover'''
*Listed: 2 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 3 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conseil de Securite Cables first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2
*Sold: 9 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Conseil de Sur L'Eau first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 Intellectual Leonardo Da Vinci first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Security Council-Waldheim Succed Thant 1971 first day cover'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $30

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover Sources D'Energie'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover EnergieQeellen'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover New and Renewable Energy Sources'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations Commerative 1981 first day cover New and Renewable Energy Quellen'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations 1975 International Women's Year Cover f/s0.60'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1975 International Women's Year Cover f/s0.90'''
*Listed: 9 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $20

*'''United Nations 1973 first day cover 25th Anniversary Declaration of HR 40fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 21 March

*'''United Nations 1973 first day cover 25th Anniversary Declaration of HR 80fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $7.50
*Sold: 31 March

*'''United Nations 1975 First Day Cover Peaceful Uses of Extra Space Atmosphere 60fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $7.50
*Sold: 31 March

*'''United Nations 1975 First Day Cover Peaceful Uses of Extra Space Atmosphere 90fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10.00
*Sold: 1 April

*'''United Nations 1972 Fist Day Cover Environment 80fs'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold 19 March

*'''United Nations 1972 Fist Day Cover Conserve Our Human Environment 15c'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5.00

*'''United Nations 1971 UN International School First Day Cover 25th Ann UNICEF'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1971 First Day Cover Art featuring Alexander Rutsch'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1972 Fist Day Cover Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 27 March

*'''United Nations Geneva 1972 Fist Day Cover Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons'''
*Listed: 19 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1973 FD Cover Against Drugs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 World Population Year 60fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations Geneva 1972 FD Cover Economic Commission for Europe'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1973 FD Cover Vounteers of UN'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover ILO Travel Bureau 60fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations Geneva Law of the Sea Official Geneva Cachet 1974'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1972 Jose Marie Sert FD Cover 15c'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover Postal Union 60 fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $2.50
*Sold: 28 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover World Population Year 80fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $3.50
*Sold: 31 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover Bresil Art 1.00 Fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover ILO Travel Bureau 80fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $3.50
*Sold 29 March

*'''United Nations 1974 FD Cover NAMIBIA'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1973 Decade of Disarmment'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 Jose Marie Sert FD Cover 40fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 Jose Marie Sert FD Cover 80fs'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover Economic Commission for Europe'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $5

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Da Vinci'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Pilatre de Rozier'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Otto Lilienthal'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations 1972 FD Cover UN Air Mail Sir George Cayley'''
*Listed: 27 March, as Buy It Now
*Price: $10

*'''United Nations Geneva cachet 1977 INTELLECTUAL LEONARDO DA VINCI first day cover'''
*Listed: 4 April, as Buy It Now
*Price: $15
}}

One of the buyers, who bought a stamp cover for #2.50, reported that it had been crumpled up and stained, with a smudge of possible bodily fluid on the mailed envelope.

{{quotebox|Stamps came in today and the collectors value of the stamps themselves have been ruined. The envelope which the stamps are on has been crumpled and stained lightly, even within the protective sleeve. This means at some time, Chris took the stamps out of the sleeve, mishandled it, put in back into the three fold sleeve and shipped it.

The mailing envelope it came in on also has some type of smudge that I haven't dared to figure out what it is.
It kind of looks like dried bloody snot, I dare not touch it.

All in all, Chris has ruined the value of the stamps just by handling them improperly, and has possibly attached something disgusting to his package.

Would not recommend buying from again.

Also, I purchased only one set of stamps, I'm not the mass buyer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-3-27-raffle-to-win-a-son-chu-figure.29536/page-8#post-2166887</ref>
}}

Another person left feedback on his eBay profile, saying the cover had been mishandled. Regardless, the feedback was rated positive.

{{quotebox|came okay, clearly mishandled though, but in a decent enough condition}}

The sale had been for "United Nations Pavilion EXPO cachet 1967 first day cover, Gold Seal" for $6.

===Chris's stamp album===
Two days after offering pieces of Bob's stamp collection for sale, generally for $5 per piece, Chris listed [http://archive.is/M5yKc his personal stamp album] for a whopping $1,000. Unsurprisingly, it failed to sell and the listing expired from eBay the next month. Chris then relisted it, still asking for the full $1,000 price.

*Listed: 3 March 2017, as Buy It Now
*Price: $1,000
*Shipping: Free

{{quotebox|
As owned by Christine Weston Chandler, formally known as Christopher, followed by Christian, as signed back in 1992 at 10 years old; she is to become famous for her art and comics of her very own Sonichu and Rosechu characters, is this unique copy of "A First Stamp Album for Beginners", from Robert Obojski, published in 1984. As shown in the images, and in between the remaining pages, are a variety of select stamps personally added into the book's pages, and then some with additional pages, and a few loose stamps that remained in there from as early as June, 1992. As a collectible, and educational material, you can take a page from my book to get a start in your own Stamp Collection, and the enclosed stamps are quite valuable too; more than a hundred various stamps included. Very Sentimental too. }}

<center><gallery>
File:Cwc stamp album1.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album2.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album3.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album4.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album5.jpeg
File:Cwc stamp album6.jpeg
File:Stampbonus.jpeg|Bonus stamps
</gallery></center>

A troll asked a stamp collector friend to contact Chris and attempt to inform him that his asking price was too high. Chris responded<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/fb-3-1-selling-bobs-stamp-collection.28698/page-15#post-2114976</ref>:

{{quotebox|As the actual person, herself, I wrote my original name way back in 1992, before I had my name legally changed from Christopher to Christian, and I added the "ian" shortly after that name change. And I added my current name recently. I have created Sonichu and Rosechu; more than [[DStecks|eleven books of content about them]] and all related therein. I have been famous for them as early as March, 2000. I am still talked about by thousands to millions of people online. So there. If you don't like it, you don't have to buy this actual item from me. Have a good and safe day now. :)}}

On 13 March, Chris tried to sweeten the deal by offering some of Bob's stamps as a bonus.
{{quotebox|<nowiki>**BONUS**</nowiki>

Set of Seven commemorative packs of gently used stamps (an $11-plus value). And Ten randomly selected UN Stamp Covers, counting the two predetermined covers in the photo above (a $100-plus value)

-1971 UN International School UNICEF First Day Issue Pablo Picasso stamps

-1971 UN Eliminate Racial Discrimination First Day Issue}}

==Raffle==
Near the end of his first month of stamp sales, Chris announced a giveaway contest, in which people could enter between "[[Honor roll|March 27, 2017 and April 31st, 2017 at 11:59 PM, Eastern Standard Time; 3:59 AM Pacific Time]]."<ref>[[March 2017 Facebook Posts#Raffle for new merch]]</ref>

{| class="wikitable"
|-
! Number of sales
! Number of participants
! Sales revenue during the raffle
! Notes
|-
|18
|5
|$69.50
|14 of the stamp covers, at a cost of $51, were bought by one person.
|}

Cost of entry was described as buying one of the stamp covers or the album, with a limit of one entry per person. The prizes are as follows:

*One winner to receive a [[Son-Chu]] custom figure and a [[Skylanders avatar]] doll.
*Fifteen runners-up to each receive a [[Skylanders avatar]] card.

*A person who buys the $1,000 album would win a set of all three.

==See also==
*[[eBay]]
*[[Financhu Crisis]]

==References==
<references />

{{BusinessList}}
[[Category:EBay]]

File:Chandler-Stamp.Jpg

2017-04-08T02:18:26Z

The-Site-User: Chris's beginner stamp album

Chris's beginner stamp album

Chris and copyright

2016-12-07T11:52:39Z

The-Site-User: /* Copyright registration */

[[Image:SonichuCertificate.jpg|thumb|Chris's copyright registration certificate.]]
{{Quote|...anyone using my characters and all Without My Consent are Criminals, and such people should be reported to the [[Jerkop|Police]] immediately.|[[Chris]]|[[CWCipedia]]'s Copyright page}}

As with many things, Chris has a very limited understanding of '''copyright''' and of how it's enforced. He is vaguely aware of what it is: some sort of a legal right that creators of things have that lets these creators to tell others what they can and can't do – a very [[naïve]] view, though not entirely incorrect.

==Sonichu as a copyrightable work==
[[Image:116-CWCCop.jpg|thumb|right|180px|[[Take that Page DOWN NOW!|Too many CROOKS!]]]]

Chris really only had one real firsthand experience on the copyright questions that formed the basis of everything that followed. While working on a school project that required making a [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|CD cover]], his teacher successfully explained to him that [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon|Pikachu]] are characters created by others, and he has no right to use them and has to create something original instead. Chris reacted to this by creating an "original" combination of the two characters, and thus [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] was born. In the [[Father Call]], he also says the teacher told him he had been in the clear with the beginning as far as copyright is concerned. However, the fact that teacher (unwisely) accepted Sonichu as original cemented Chris's vague understanding of the [[Chris and the Law|law]], and now Chris is simply unwilling to learn the truth. In his mind, mashing together two different characters and "[[CWC - Hand Drawn Original|<nowiki>[putting]</nowiki> a little C-In-A-Circle and <nowiki>[his]</nowiki> John Hancock]]" creates completely new intellectual property that is his and his alone.

In reality, any work that uses previously copyrighted work as a basis is a derivative work. This means that while it may have substantial original elements that the creator definitely holds a copyright on, it cannot be published or distributed without permission of the original copyright holders. The reality isn't ''entirely'' clear-cut, however, and there are several exceptions to this rule, both well-understood ([[wikipedia:Fair use|Fair Use doctrine]], which allows limited use of copyrighted material for journalistic and scholarly purposes) and less well understood (there's an ongoing debate about the emerging copyright issues like digital rights and the remixing arts).

Unfortunately for Chris, Sonichu is a fairly clear-cut case of a derivative work. While the character design itself has ''some'' originality despite its blatantly derivative style (and as such might have passed the teacher's inspection), as far as backstory is concerned, Sonichu explicitly said to be a fusion of two existing characters - by Chris as its creator and in the comic story itself.

Fundamentally, Chris wanted [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]]; if they are just some made-up characters and ''not'' Pokémon, they just aren't ''true'' enough for him. Unfortunately, Chris doesn't understand that such "made-up" characters are how people ''define'' creativity. If Chris had elected to merely ape Sonic art style and plot elements from video games, he might have something that is borderline acceptable, and could avoid legal prosecution. However, the Sonichu comic makes copious usage of things from the Sonic and Pokemon franchises (as well as myriad others), meaning anything Chris does to profit from Sonichu renders him liable to be sued.

This would be harmless enough if he weren't actually profiting from it, but these days [[Amiibo|he is]] and if any of the franchises he has plagiarised decide to pursue legal action, Chris would be torn to shreds in court. Fortunately for Chris, an autistic moron hocking the odd Amiibo on [[Etsy]] is unlikely to incur the wrath of a major multinational company; the worst he's likely to receive is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cease_and_desist cessation demand], although whether or not Chris would comply is another story.

{{clear}}

== Chris as an enforcer of rights ==
[[Image:117-CWCSonichuLeer.jpg|thumb|right|[[Creepy stare|Don't look right into their eyes.]]]]
Chris is very paranoid regarding his copyright, and will frequently [[CWC Public Disclaimer|hand out all of his personal information to complete strangers]] if he thinks it is being contested. This has backfired in a number of ways.

Chris has encouraged people to report copyright infringements to the [[jerkop|police]]. The police, unfortunately, can't do much when random citizens report civil offenses such as copyright infringement. Even if Chris ''had'' the rights to the works in question, suing people for copyright infringement would be Chris's job and his job alone, or that of a representative whom he has specifically appointed to that specific task.

Unsurprisingly, Chris is a [[Chris and hypocrisy|total hypocrite]] when it comes to abusing the work of other creators. In the space of 11½ issues, [[Things Chris has ripped off|Chris pulled characters and concepts from innumerable franchises]] and even went so far as to steal "original" characters from fans and [[sweethearts]] with little respect shown to their creators. He's even had the balls to take [[Asperchu|another creator's characters]], [[Mitch Sonichu|alter them]] and demand that thenceforth they be portrayed the way ''he'' has made them in the original material. Despite how firmly Chris holds on to his views of copyright, when directly challenged on why it's okay for him to rip things off but not for other people to do the same to Sonichu, he's unable to think of a response.<ref>[[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 9]]</ref>

Furthermore, Chris refuses to listen to the original creators of these "original" characters when they ask to have their characters removed. The best example would be the fight between [[Evan]] and Chris over the character [[Simonla Rosechu]], a ripoff of Evan's original character Simonchu. When Evan demanded that Chris remove Simonla from the comics in an on-page death, Chris refused because ''it would take [[Wild Sonichu]]'s girlfriend away''. As time went on, Chris fought tooth and nail to keep Simonla in, going so far as to write out a scenario where Simonchu is told to tell Evan that Simonla likes [[CWCville]]. In the end, it took two shut downs of the CWCipedia for Chris to finally surrender and kill off Simonla, and he just resurrected her a few years later anyway.

===Licensing and terms of use===

The [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software used on [[CWCipedia]] had various built-in settings for content licensing. During installation, MediaWiki defaults to [[Wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]], which states that the content can be reused elsewhere for any purpose, as long as proper copyright holder attribution and license references are given.

On 6 [[September 2009]], a fan wrote to Chris and thanked him for allowing this reuse, which provoked an uncharacteristically swift response from Chris, demanding WikiSysop not-so-politely to remove the obviously erroneous "GDU FDL" license.<ref>[[ChrisChanSonichu and WikiSysop correspondence#The License on the bottom of my Cwcipedia (WS)|Chris's message to WikiSysop]]</ref>

This prompted Chris to write his own [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=CWCipedia:Copyrights Copyrights] and [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Terms_of_use Terms of use] pages.

The legal problems caused by Chris's terms are detailed elsewhere in this article. The Terms of Use are even weirder:

* ''"Any and All Visually Grotesque, Shocking and Offensive works will be Immediately Deleted and NOT be uploaded, or seen ever again; NO RESUBMISSIONS ALLOWED of such pieces."''
* ''ALL letters addressed to any NAME other than "Christian Weston Chandler" or "Christopher Weston Chandler", will be Immediately disposed of with Paper Recyling, or be "Returned to Sender" with a frown face on it. ALL Visually Grotesque, Shocking and Offensive art works and letters will be disposed of properly as well."''
* Fan sites should be pre-approved by Chris.
* Sending spam to Sega and Nintendo about making official Sonichu games is apparently part of Terms of Use.

===Copyright registration===
It appears that Chris has actually paid US$45, and somehow got [http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&ti=1,1&Search%5FArg=Sonichu&Search%5FCode=TALL&CNT=10&PID=ZvDUHHsi-vkzrRWQU2p5oLpU7yxe&SEQ=20091106120549&SID=1 Sonichu approved by the United States Copyright Office]. On 12 [[November 2009]], he also posted a scan of the confirmation letter he received to [[CWCipedia]] and posted a highly predictable [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|my-Heart-Level-just-went-to-100%-again video]].

Psychologically, this copyright registration represents a big win for Chris, because it gives him what he thinks are bragging rights, even though he has no idea what the copyright registration ''actually'' means. Copyright registration isn't an official recognition of copyright, however. Copyrights are granted automatically, and copyright registrations are only an official assertion that a specific work has been created at a specific date by the registrant; the registrations are only needed when suing another party for copyright infringement. It is also not a registration of a ''trademark''; Chris has no special rights for the name "Sonichu" itself. Finally, Chris made a critical mistake in filing the registration application: he described Sonichu as a "work for hire" in the apparent belief that this meant that the comic was his primary occupation, when it [[Wikipedia:Work for hire|really means]] that he created it on behalf of someone else, who is considered the creator for legal purposes.
It should also be noted that the United States Copyright Office does not check whether or not a registrant's work is infringing.

If Nintendo or Sega were to sue Chris they would easily win; it's clear that they hold the rights to original characters like Sonic and Pikachu and Chris's work is derivative thereof.

'''IN SHORT:''' Chris's copyright registration doesn't mean his comics aren't non-infringing, nor does it effectively protect his own intellectual property.

=== Use of copyright notices ===
The way Chris maintains his so-called copyrights within his works is also baffling. It's possible he goes by the assumption that almost everything he draws must contain copious copyright notices, usually in a large disclaimer:

{{quote|© Christian Weston Chandler, March [[2000]]-????}}

It's worth noting that Chris obsessively includes copyright symbols in pictures he draws of Sonichu, including a picture he drew in the snow in his [[Holiday Greetings]] video and a doodle he drew on his ticket to the [[2005]] [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]] convention.

However, only daily newspaper comic strips have constant notices reminding about copyright due to their daily nature. In most forms of media throughout the world, one copyright notice at the beginning of the work is enough to assert rights, and only the year is noted in a copyright notice.

Finally, the year of the creation of the ''specific'' work in question should be noted in the copyright notice; for example [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]] should be "''© 2009-2010 CWC''". If Chris would want to specifically emphasize that Sonichu in general has existed since March 2000, he'd need to do so in an additional copyright notice (e.g. "''Sonichu'' #10 © 2009-2010 CWC. Sonichu character © CWC, March 2000.")

===Christian's On the Lookout!===
Long before his discovery by the trolls, Chris created a webpage called '''Christian's On the Lookout!''' which linked to his main [[CWC's Sonichu Site!|Sonichu site]]. Chris made the site no later than May 2006. Exactly how he used the site is not clear, especially since his main site did not link to this page. Chris's paranoia and arrogance regarding his copyright are on full display here.

{{quotebox|
'''A Message for all who are out to use the Sonichu Name!'''

From Christian Weston Chandler,

Original Creator of Sonichu, and related characters and materials.

I just want to inform all persons, fans of Sonichu or otherwise, that Sonichu was originally Created on March 17, 2000, and I have a copyright on my faithful Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon. I am very proud to share my Sonichu with the people who appreciate my creativity in Sonichu's world.

I often do a "Search" of "Sonichu," and, currently, and I only want to see links to my Sonichu Site, or related sites. If I see links to websites with any person who has used his name, I will view it. If I should see the "Sonichu" name used to describe any character, other than my original Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon, I will send you an E-Mail to inform you if you have intruded into '''Copyrighted territory''', and request that you remove the name from your website, or forum entry, and change it to something else. If, however, you do not abide to the request, or not reply to the E-mail within 14 days, I may take legal action against you.

I am not a mean person, and I am not out to start any trouble, so [[Chris and religion|please do not use the Sonichu name in vain]]. If, however, you would like to create a fan website to describe my Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon, please send me an E-Mail to CWCSonichu@aol.com with information, and link, about your fan site. I will view your fan site, and if I like it, I, Christian Weston Chandler, will send you an approval E-Mail. And you may keep your website up on the web. If I find it offensive, I, Christian Weston Chandler, will send you an E-mail asking you to either change the content to something else, or remove the website from the web.

Also, if you would like to see Sonichu as a real video game, or catch him in a Pokemon title, please send your request to Nintendo of America, inc., or ''Nintendo Power'' magazine; please raise the hype on Sonichu so that I will be able to legally talk to the people of Nintendo of America, inc., and make a deal.

[[Chris and reality|Sonichu and I]], Christian Weston Chandler, thank you for following the Legal Guidelines expressed here. I sincerely hope that you enjoy the stories of my Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon. And I also hope that you will voice your hype and interest about Sonichu, and my world of [[Cwcville]], to Nintendo of America, inc., so Sonichu can become a video game, cartoon (or anime), and all that other neat stuff.

Have a Zappin' Day!

This has been a message from Christian Weston Chandler, Original Creator of Sonichu.

All Sonichu Material is Copyrighted, March 2000-2005 by Christian Weston Chandler}}

===Chris's motivations===
In any case, Chris doesn't really care so much what his copyright registration means and what it might or might not be good for, practically speaking. To him, it's mainly just a crutch for his ego. In the aftermath of his feud with [[Liquid Chris]], he sees it as the final and clinching proof that he himself is the TRUE and ORIGINAL creator of Sonichu. On 26 [[November 2009]], he posted the following as part of an announcement on [[CWCipedia]], which is quite illuminating:

{{quotebox|Also, I have been thinking, although all Sonichu "Merchandise" sold online in the past I have labeled false; I did that, because it came as a surprise to me then, I felt outraged appropriately (most everyone can relate to that; it's comparable to if [[Wikipedia:Godzilla|Godzilla]] or Clover [the [[Wikipedia:Cloverfield|Cloverfield]] monster] came to YOUR Metropolis and suddenly attacked your city). I realize now that even though it is still considerably Not Official, it all still is an homage to my creation. So I will make it clear to ALL those Vendors.

As long as it is NOT printed copies of my books' pages, or bootlegged copies of my "[[Christian Weston Chandler, Yep, I'm On T.V.]]" DVD, AND As Long As I am quoted on ALL websites' and vendors' locations as Original Creator of [[Sonichu]], [[Rosechu]], [[Cwcville]] and all of such, I, Christian Weston Chandler, approve of such merchandise from Day Forward. At least to give you all, my patient, loyal [[Fans]] and [[Troll]]s, something to quell your pallets [''sic''] until Official Merchandise is sold in Official Stores such as Toys 'R' Us, [[GameStop]], [[Best Buy]], [[Wal-Mart]], etcetera and such.

[[Chris and ego|I have spoken]], and I wish everyone a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving.

--ChrisChanSonichu 02:17, 26 [[November 2009]] (CET)}}

In other words, Chris doesn't really care if other people use his supposed intellectual property, so long as he's the one that gets the credit, not some impostor in brown stripes. The idea expressed here is not unlike that in the [[wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution license.

==Chris's views==
{{main|Parody}}
Chris is ''very'' protective of his characters. Chris believes that his characters are officially "parodies", thus, he is allowed to create his multimedia empire on a legal loophole. What Chris fails to realize that is that parodies are essentially mockeries of something they're based on, done for laughs or as a commentary on the original work. According to the [[Wikipedia:Supreme Court of the United States|US Supreme Court]], parody "is the use of some elements of a prior author's composition to create a new one that, at least in part, comments on that author's works." So if Chris was, say, making commentary on commercialization by making a pastiche of what was popular at the time, it would be fine. The fact that it is parody and not plagiarism must also be made obvious.

Sonichu and Rosechu are ''not'' parodies, just shitty recolors. Chris doesn't mean to make fun of the characters they're based on, nor make commentary of them. He slavishly imitates the kind of adventures they have in an attempt to tell his own stories. Even his most original characters are either based on [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|someone he knows]] or [[Flame the Sunbird|are cribbed extensively from existing characters]].

==Music==
Many of Chris's "songs" from his old [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys]] project have been taken down on YouTube for copyright. If Chris knew this, he would likely argue that his songs are "parodies" and thus Fair Use. The problem is that Chris's songs aren't parodies, nor they are reviewing the said songs, nor are they just covers with an instrumental version of the original song playing in the background. Just like how Sonichu and Rosechu are recolors and not parodies, Chris's songs are just rewrites of the originals with said original drowning out most of his voice.

==Sources==
<references/>
== See also ==
*[[Liquid Chris]]
*[[Robert Simmons V]]
*[[Jimmy Hill]]
*[[Parody]]
*''[[Asperchu]]''

==External Links==
* [[wikipedia:Copyright|Wikipedia article]]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20060513032521/http://sonichuchandler.tripod.com/CWCcop.htm| Archived copy of Chris's "Christian's On the Lookout!" page.]

{{Chris and}}

Chris and copyright

2016-12-07T11:48:46Z

The-Site-User: /* Copyright registration */

[[Image:SonichuCertificate.jpg|thumb|Chris's copyright registration certificate.]]
{{Quote|...anyone using my characters and all Without My Consent are Criminals, and such people should be reported to the [[Jerkop|Police]] immediately.|[[Chris]]|[[CWCipedia]]'s Copyright page}}

As with many things, Chris has a very limited understanding of '''copyright''' and of how it's enforced. He is vaguely aware of what it is: some sort of a legal right that creators of things have that lets these creators to tell others what they can and can't do – a very [[naïve]] view, though not entirely incorrect.

==Sonichu as a copyrightable work==
[[Image:116-CWCCop.jpg|thumb|right|180px|[[Take that Page DOWN NOW!|Too many CROOKS!]]]]

Chris really only had one real firsthand experience on the copyright questions that formed the basis of everything that followed. While working on a school project that required making a [[Christian's Favorite Hits!|CD cover]], his teacher successfully explained to him that [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] and [[Pokémon|Pikachu]] are characters created by others, and he has no right to use them and has to create something original instead. Chris reacted to this by creating an "original" combination of the two characters, and thus [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] was born. In the [[Father Call]], he also says the teacher told him he had been in the clear with the beginning as far as copyright is concerned. However, the fact that teacher (unwisely) accepted Sonichu as original cemented Chris's vague understanding of the [[Chris and the Law|law]], and now Chris is simply unwilling to learn the truth. In his mind, mashing together two different characters and "[[CWC - Hand Drawn Original|<nowiki>[putting]</nowiki> a little C-In-A-Circle and <nowiki>[his]</nowiki> John Hancock]]" creates completely new intellectual property that is his and his alone.

In reality, any work that uses previously copyrighted work as a basis is a derivative work. This means that while it may have substantial original elements that the creator definitely holds a copyright on, it cannot be published or distributed without permission of the original copyright holders. The reality isn't ''entirely'' clear-cut, however, and there are several exceptions to this rule, both well-understood ([[wikipedia:Fair use|Fair Use doctrine]], which allows limited use of copyrighted material for journalistic and scholarly purposes) and less well understood (there's an ongoing debate about the emerging copyright issues like digital rights and the remixing arts).

Unfortunately for Chris, Sonichu is a fairly clear-cut case of a derivative work. While the character design itself has ''some'' originality despite its blatantly derivative style (and as such might have passed the teacher's inspection), as far as backstory is concerned, Sonichu explicitly said to be a fusion of two existing characters - by Chris as its creator and in the comic story itself.

Fundamentally, Chris wanted [[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]]; if they are just some made-up characters and ''not'' Pokémon, they just aren't ''true'' enough for him. Unfortunately, Chris doesn't understand that such "made-up" characters are how people ''define'' creativity. If Chris had elected to merely ape Sonic art style and plot elements from video games, he might have something that is borderline acceptable, and could avoid legal prosecution. However, the Sonichu comic makes copious usage of things from the Sonic and Pokemon franchises (as well as myriad others), meaning anything Chris does to profit from Sonichu renders him liable to be sued.

This would be harmless enough if he weren't actually profiting from it, but these days [[Amiibo|he is]] and if any of the franchises he has plagiarised decide to pursue legal action, Chris would be torn to shreds in court. Fortunately for Chris, an autistic moron hocking the odd Amiibo on [[Etsy]] is unlikely to incur the wrath of a major multinational company; the worst he's likely to receive is a [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cease_and_desist cessation demand], although whether or not Chris would comply is another story.

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== Chris as an enforcer of rights ==
[[Image:117-CWCSonichuLeer.jpg|thumb|right|[[Creepy stare|Don't look right into their eyes.]]]]
Chris is very paranoid regarding his copyright, and will frequently [[CWC Public Disclaimer|hand out all of his personal information to complete strangers]] if he thinks it is being contested. This has backfired in a number of ways.

Chris has encouraged people to report copyright infringements to the [[jerkop|police]]. The police, unfortunately, can't do much when random citizens report civil offenses such as copyright infringement. Even if Chris ''had'' the rights to the works in question, suing people for copyright infringement would be Chris's job and his job alone, or that of a representative whom he has specifically appointed to that specific task.

Unsurprisingly, Chris is a [[Chris and hypocrisy|total hypocrite]] when it comes to abusing the work of other creators. In the space of 11½ issues, [[Things Chris has ripped off|Chris pulled characters and concepts from innumerable franchises]] and even went so far as to steal "original" characters from fans and [[sweethearts]] with little respect shown to their creators. He's even had the balls to take [[Asperchu|another creator's characters]], [[Mitch Sonichu|alter them]] and demand that thenceforth they be portrayed the way ''he'' has made them in the original material. Despite how firmly Chris holds on to his views of copyright, when directly challenged on why it's okay for him to rip things off but not for other people to do the same to Sonichu, he's unable to think of a response.<ref>[[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 9]]</ref>

Furthermore, Chris refuses to listen to the original creators of these "original" characters when they ask to have their characters removed. The best example would be the fight between [[Evan]] and Chris over the character [[Simonla Rosechu]], a ripoff of Evan's original character Simonchu. When Evan demanded that Chris remove Simonla from the comics in an on-page death, Chris refused because ''it would take [[Wild Sonichu]]'s girlfriend away''. As time went on, Chris fought tooth and nail to keep Simonla in, going so far as to write out a scenario where Simonchu is told to tell Evan that Simonla likes [[CWCville]]. In the end, it took two shut downs of the CWCipedia for Chris to finally surrender and kill off Simonla, and he just resurrected her a few years later anyway.

===Licensing and terms of use===

The [[Wikipedia:MediaWiki|MediaWiki]] software used on [[CWCipedia]] had various built-in settings for content licensing. During installation, MediaWiki defaults to [[Wikipedia:GNU Free Documentation License|GNU Free Documentation License]], which states that the content can be reused elsewhere for any purpose, as long as proper copyright holder attribution and license references are given.

On 6 [[September 2009]], a fan wrote to Chris and thanked him for allowing this reuse, which provoked an uncharacteristically swift response from Chris, demanding WikiSysop not-so-politely to remove the obviously erroneous "GDU FDL" license.<ref>[[ChrisChanSonichu and WikiSysop correspondence#The License on the bottom of my Cwcipedia (WS)|Chris's message to WikiSysop]]</ref>

This prompted Chris to write his own [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=CWCipedia:Copyrights Copyrights] and [http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Terms_of_use Terms of use] pages.

The legal problems caused by Chris's terms are detailed elsewhere in this article. The Terms of Use are even weirder:

* ''"Any and All Visually Grotesque, Shocking and Offensive works will be Immediately Deleted and NOT be uploaded, or seen ever again; NO RESUBMISSIONS ALLOWED of such pieces."''
* ''ALL letters addressed to any NAME other than "Christian Weston Chandler" or "Christopher Weston Chandler", will be Immediately disposed of with Paper Recyling, or be "Returned to Sender" with a frown face on it. ALL Visually Grotesque, Shocking and Offensive art works and letters will be disposed of properly as well."''
* Fan sites should be pre-approved by Chris.
* Sending spam to Sega and Nintendo about making official Sonichu games is apparently part of Terms of Use.

===Copyright registration===
It appears that Chris has actually paid US$45, and somehow got [http://cocatalog.loc.gov/cgi-bin/Pwebrecon.cgi?v1=1&ti=1,1&Search%5FArg=Sonichu&Search%5FCode=TALL&CNT=10&PID=ZvDUHHsi-vkzrRWQU2p5oLpU7yxe&SEQ=20091106120549&SID=1 Sonichu approved by the United States Copyright Office]. On 12 [[November 2009]], he also posted a scan of the confirmation letter he received to [[CWCipedia]] and posted a highly predictable [[Red Letter CWC Certified Day|my-Heart-Level-just-went-to-100%-again video]].

Psychologically, this copyright registration represents a big win for Chris, because it gives him what he thinks are bragging rights, even though he has no idea what the copyright registration ''actually'' means. Copyright registration isn't an official recognition of copyright, however. Copyrights are granted automatically, and copyright registrations are only an official assertion that a specific work has been created at a specific date by the registrant; the registrations are only needed when suing another party for copyright infringement. It is also not a registration of a ''trademark''; Chris has no special rights for the name "Sonichu" itself. Finally, Chris made a critical mistake in filing the registration application: he described Sonichu as a "work for hire" in the apparent belief that this meant that the comic was his primary occupation, when it [[Wikipedia:Work for hire|really means]] that he created it on behalf of someone else, who is considered the creator for legal purposes.
It should also be noted that the United States Copyright Office does not check for infringement.

If Nintendo or Sega were to sue Chris they would easily win; it's clear that they hold the rights to original characters like Sonic and Pikachu and Chris's work is derivative thereof.

'''IN SHORT:''' Chris's copyright registration doesn't mean his comics aren't non-infringing, nor does it effectively protect his own intellectual property.

=== Use of copyright notices ===
The way Chris maintains his so-called copyrights within his works is also baffling. It's possible he goes by the assumption that almost everything he draws must contain copious copyright notices, usually in a large disclaimer:

{{quote|© Christian Weston Chandler, March [[2000]]-????}}

It's worth noting that Chris obsessively includes copyright symbols in pictures he draws of Sonichu, including a picture he drew in the snow in his [[Holiday Greetings]] video and a doodle he drew on his ticket to the [[2005]] [[Anime Mid-Atlantic]] convention.

However, only daily newspaper comic strips have constant notices reminding about copyright due to their daily nature. In most forms of media throughout the world, one copyright notice at the beginning of the work is enough to assert rights, and only the year is noted in a copyright notice.

Finally, the year of the creation of the ''specific'' work in question should be noted in the copyright notice; for example [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]] should be "''© 2009-2010 CWC''". If Chris would want to specifically emphasize that Sonichu in general has existed since March 2000, he'd need to do so in an additional copyright notice (e.g. "''Sonichu'' #10 © 2009-2010 CWC. Sonichu character © CWC, March 2000.")

===Christian's On the Lookout!===
Long before his discovery by the trolls, Chris created a webpage called '''Christian's On the Lookout!''' which linked to his main [[CWC's Sonichu Site!|Sonichu site]]. Chris made the site no later than May 2006. Exactly how he used the site is not clear, especially since his main site did not link to this page. Chris's paranoia and arrogance regarding his copyright are on full display here.

{{quotebox|
'''A Message for all who are out to use the Sonichu Name!'''

From Christian Weston Chandler,

Original Creator of Sonichu, and related characters and materials.

I just want to inform all persons, fans of Sonichu or otherwise, that Sonichu was originally Created on March 17, 2000, and I have a copyright on my faithful Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon. I am very proud to share my Sonichu with the people who appreciate my creativity in Sonichu's world.

I often do a "Search" of "Sonichu," and, currently, and I only want to see links to my Sonichu Site, or related sites. If I see links to websites with any person who has used his name, I will view it. If I should see the "Sonichu" name used to describe any character, other than my original Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon, I will send you an E-Mail to inform you if you have intruded into '''Copyrighted territory''', and request that you remove the name from your website, or forum entry, and change it to something else. If, however, you do not abide to the request, or not reply to the E-mail within 14 days, I may take legal action against you.

I am not a mean person, and I am not out to start any trouble, so [[Chris and religion|please do not use the Sonichu name in vain]]. If, however, you would like to create a fan website to describe my Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon, please send me an E-Mail to CWCSonichu@aol.com with information, and link, about your fan site. I will view your fan site, and if I like it, I, Christian Weston Chandler, will send you an approval E-Mail. And you may keep your website up on the web. If I find it offensive, I, Christian Weston Chandler, will send you an E-mail asking you to either change the content to something else, or remove the website from the web.

Also, if you would like to see Sonichu as a real video game, or catch him in a Pokemon title, please send your request to Nintendo of America, inc., or ''Nintendo Power'' magazine; please raise the hype on Sonichu so that I will be able to legally talk to the people of Nintendo of America, inc., and make a deal.

[[Chris and reality|Sonichu and I]], Christian Weston Chandler, thank you for following the Legal Guidelines expressed here. I sincerely hope that you enjoy the stories of my Electric-Hedgehog Pokemon. And I also hope that you will voice your hype and interest about Sonichu, and my world of [[Cwcville]], to Nintendo of America, inc., so Sonichu can become a video game, cartoon (or anime), and all that other neat stuff.

Have a Zappin' Day!

This has been a message from Christian Weston Chandler, Original Creator of Sonichu.

All Sonichu Material is Copyrighted, March 2000-2005 by Christian Weston Chandler}}

===Chris's motivations===
In any case, Chris doesn't really care so much what his copyright registration means and what it might or might not be good for, practically speaking. To him, it's mainly just a crutch for his ego. In the aftermath of his feud with [[Liquid Chris]], he sees it as the final and clinching proof that he himself is the TRUE and ORIGINAL creator of Sonichu. On 26 [[November 2009]], he posted the following as part of an announcement on [[CWCipedia]], which is quite illuminating:

{{quotebox|Also, I have been thinking, although all Sonichu "Merchandise" sold online in the past I have labeled false; I did that, because it came as a surprise to me then, I felt outraged appropriately (most everyone can relate to that; it's comparable to if [[Wikipedia:Godzilla|Godzilla]] or Clover [the [[Wikipedia:Cloverfield|Cloverfield]] monster] came to YOUR Metropolis and suddenly attacked your city). I realize now that even though it is still considerably Not Official, it all still is an homage to my creation. So I will make it clear to ALL those Vendors.

As long as it is NOT printed copies of my books' pages, or bootlegged copies of my "[[Christian Weston Chandler, Yep, I'm On T.V.]]" DVD, AND As Long As I am quoted on ALL websites' and vendors' locations as Original Creator of [[Sonichu]], [[Rosechu]], [[Cwcville]] and all of such, I, Christian Weston Chandler, approve of such merchandise from Day Forward. At least to give you all, my patient, loyal [[Fans]] and [[Troll]]s, something to quell your pallets [''sic''] until Official Merchandise is sold in Official Stores such as Toys 'R' Us, [[GameStop]], [[Best Buy]], [[Wal-Mart]], etcetera and such.

[[Chris and ego|I have spoken]], and I wish everyone a Safe and Happy Thanksgiving.

--ChrisChanSonichu 02:17, 26 [[November 2009]] (CET)}}

In other words, Chris doesn't really care if other people use his supposed intellectual property, so long as he's the one that gets the credit, not some impostor in brown stripes. The idea expressed here is not unlike that in the [[wikipedia:Creative Commons|Creative Commons]] Attribution license.

==Chris's views==
{{main|Parody}}
Chris is ''very'' protective of his characters. Chris believes that his characters are officially "parodies", thus, he is allowed to create his multimedia empire on a legal loophole. What Chris fails to realize that is that parodies are essentially mockeries of something they're based on, done for laughs or as a commentary on the original work. According to the [[Wikipedia:Supreme Court of the United States|US Supreme Court]], parody "is the use of some elements of a prior author's composition to create a new one that, at least in part, comments on that author's works." So if Chris was, say, making commentary on commercialization by making a pastiche of what was popular at the time, it would be fine. The fact that it is parody and not plagiarism must also be made obvious.

Sonichu and Rosechu are ''not'' parodies, just shitty recolors. Chris doesn't mean to make fun of the characters they're based on, nor make commentary of them. He slavishly imitates the kind of adventures they have in an attempt to tell his own stories. Even his most original characters are either based on [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|someone he knows]] or [[Flame the Sunbird|are cribbed extensively from existing characters]].

==Music==
Many of Chris's "songs" from his old [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys]] project have been taken down on YouTube for copyright. If Chris knew this, he would likely argue that his songs are "parodies" and thus Fair Use. The problem is that Chris's songs aren't parodies, nor they are reviewing the said songs, nor are they just covers with an instrumental version of the original song playing in the background. Just like how Sonichu and Rosechu are recolors and not parodies, Chris's songs are just rewrites of the originals with said original drowning out most of his voice.

==Sources==
<references/>
== See also ==
*[[Liquid Chris]]
*[[Robert Simmons V]]
*[[Jimmy Hill]]
*[[Parody]]
*''[[Asperchu]]''

==External Links==
* [[wikipedia:Copyright|Wikipedia article]]
* [https://web.archive.org/web/20060513032521/http://sonichuchandler.tripod.com/CWCcop.htm| Archived copy of Chris's "Christian's On the Lookout!" page.]

{{Chris and}}