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Dreams

2014-05-18T17:48:25Z

TheManInBeige: /* Significant dreams */

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[[File:449-CWCDreamCatcher.JPG|thumb|Authentic [[Cherokian]] dream catcher.]]
[[Image:CWCletter.jpg|thumb|right|The letter to Blanca, a classic example of Chris's prophetic powers in action.]]
Nowadays, it is widely accepted that '''dreams''' can provide valuable insight into the mind of the dreamer. While they represent, at best, a warped reflection of what goes on in the unconscious mind, dreams are nevertheless made up of more than just random, meaningless images.

[[Chris]] adheres to a simpler, primitive belief in the significance of dreams. It's part and parcel of his religious mysticism — he believes many of his dreams are messages from God, as if he were a modern day [[wikipedia:Book Of Daniel|Daniel.]] Dreams, in Chris's mind, can provide accurate portents of the future, and much of his strange behavior may be connected to his attempts to make these dreams into reality.

==Significant dreams

Chris has often claimed that his dreams represent communications from the divine. On [[IRC (02 January 2009)|IRC]], when asked about his purpose in life, he explained it like so: "To eventually be married to my Sweetheart, then give birth and raise my daughter, as God has pointed it out for me in my dream." Likewise, when [[PandaHalo]] asked him why he wanted a daughter so badly, he said, "it was fortold to me in multiple dreams."

During the [[Father Call]], when Matthew Devoria pointed out that his belief in prophetic dreams was both highly unlikely and potentially blasphemous, Chris was willing to back off from some of the weirder implications of his philosophy. "I am not saying that I am a prophet," he admitted. However, he continued to cling to the belief that his dreams represent the future. "I'm not saying that it is the definite future," he explained, "but that it is a POSSIBLE future."<nowiki>It's interesting that Chris believes in this sort of predestiny, as it's actually quite similar to the Anglo-Saxon concept of Wyrd, a traditionally Pagan belief which holds.that your destiny is determined at the beginning of your life by the three weavers of fate, the Norns.</nowiki>

It could be that Chris believes that [[Chris and religion|God]] gives him these "visions of the future" in order to comfort him with the knowledge that he will, in fact, triumph in the face of adversity and [[autism]]. Chris himself has, on several occasions, shown that he fears suspense and uncertainty and it wouldn't be a great leap of reason to assume that he thinks [[Chris and his Ego|God is personally tossing him spoilers for his own life]] in much the same way as Chris slathers them onto [[Sonichu]].

When a letter in [[Mailbag 55]] called Chris out on his insane belief, his response was to ask "What is YOUR Dream Career?", suggesting that he has misinterpreted various dream-related expressions such as "the woman of my dreams" or "my dream job". While the expressions actually mean "It would be dreamlike to have a job like that or a wife like her", Chris may take it to mean "God literally showed this job/woman to me in a dream".

Chris has discussed several of his more important or influential dreams in many of his comics, chats, and videos. There may be a great many more that he's never felt like sharing with the outside world, so this section is by no means comprehensive, but it should at least provide a basic overview of the sort of prophecies Chris believes that he receives.

===The Crystal dream===
{{quote|I have my dreams that God gave to me, and I have to see my Crystal Weston Chandler be Born.|Chris, [[Vivitheg's AIM chat]]}}

By far the most significant of Chris's dreams is this one, where he saw himself married to an unspecified woman and raising a daughter named [[Crystal Weston Chandler (daughter)|Crystal]]. This represents the genesis of his [[Love Quest]], or at any rate his favorite excuse. When he's not willing to admit that what he really wants is [[china|pussy]], Chris claims that his search for a sweetheart is intended to fulfill God's will and produce his prophesied daughter.

{{quote|You see, I have a dream, I have my dream, and that dream is to give birth, to have, to share a daughter with my wife-to-be, and her name would be Crystal.|Chris, during the [[Father Call]].}}

Chris, always one to share too much personal information during conversations with strangers, sometimes brings up the Crystal dream while introducing himself to people. In one of his [[Facebook_messages#Christy_Backe|Facebook conversations]], he sent a new contact the following question: "Do you know any 18-25-year old single women who might like me? I would appreciate any help I can get in finding the one who would be my Sweetheart, and help me realize my dream of me fathering a pretty daughter named Crystal Weston Chandler."

For some time, the many trolls following Chris operated according to the belief that the dream took place when he was around 21 years old, right around the formal beginning of the Love Quest. During the [[Father Call]], however, Chris very clearly stated that he had the dream when he was in elementary school, between seven and nine years of age. In that description of the dream, he also noted that he "had, like, an office job" in his future life, an embellishment that smacks of Chris attempting to impress [[Kacey]]'s father.

This statement, however, predates the Father Call. In an [[Katie_Bay_E-mails_3#7.2F28.2F09|email sent to Katie Bay]] near the end of July 2009, Chris used this dream as an excuse to not get a job. Specifically, he expressed annoyance that he does not know what kind of job he has in the dream, only that he is working in an office building, his daughter is present, and shortly after the dream begins the building starts to collapse and he needs to run away with Crystal.

Chris's dreams about his future daughter are at least partially responsible for his refusal to date black women. In [[Mailbag 35]], he explained, "I never saw a black woman being my wife in any of my dreams of me and my white baby daughter."

===The Grim Reaper dream===
In a dream some time before 2005, Chris met the [[Wikipedia:Death (personification)|Grim Reaper]]:
{{Quote|I understand [[Bob Chandler|my dad]] does not have long to live, but I have to ask while you're here, when will you be taking my father? He informed me that he would not claim his soul until the year 2015.|From [[Jackie E-mails 31]]}}
Chris found this comforting, but was enraged with the Grim Reaper (the ultimate [[trolls|troll]]) when he took Bob's soul in [[2011]].
{{Quote| Damn you, Reaper, this is Two Thousand Eleven! I Was Promised that we'd be blessed with father's presence for Four More Years! [[Chris and his Ego|I Was Promised!!!]]|Chris, cursing Death for not giving him
what he is entitled to}}

===The Blanca dream===
During the late summer and early fall of [[2008]], Chris wildly ping-ponged back and forth between a number of potential [[trolls|sweethearts]], including [[PandaHalo]], [[Sarah Jackson]], and [[Blanca Weiss]]. On September 29, however, he finally settled on Blanca, having supposedly experienced a dream where he met her in the lobby of a [[Charlottesville]] hotel.

Chris describes the dream in some detail in his [[Blanca_Emails,_September_2008#Chris_dreams_of_Blanca|e-mails to Blanca]], as well as the [[Chris's Letter to Blanca|letter]] he sent to her along with his medallions.

{{quote|I FINALLY HAD my Dream that I have been waiting for for soo long; the dream revealing the name of my Sweetheart-to-be. the scenario was simply, after talking to her over the internet, I went to the local Hotel to meet her, and her name came up Often, and was Burned into my Memory and my Heart...SHE is YOU. :) YOU, Blanca Weiss, ARE MY SWEETHEART-TO-BE!|Chris, falling for it on a number of levels.}}

He also mentioned the dream on his [[The OFFICIAL Sonichu & Rosechu Blog|blog]], claiming that "[[God and Jesus]] have revealed to me the name of my True, Honest Sweetheart-To-Be." Three weeks later, the object of Chris's divinely-inspired love dumped him (after dumping his beloved [[medallions]] in [[pickle]] brine).

===The PandaHalo dream===
Although breaking up with Blanca temporarily sent Chris [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 21st, 2008|crashing into slumber]], he recovered from the trauma quickly enough with the aid of his dear friend PandaHalo. By mid-November, he was having wet dreams about her and sharing the details in their communications, which Panda promptly passed on to her fellow trolls on [[IRC (26 November 2008)|IRC]]:

{{quote|During my most recent dream, You were in it. You were alone in your apartment; I had just run in to see you. We talked for a bit, but then you and I, we made out, then got naked and lost our virgin ways to each other. It got soo goodly hot and wild, that I came in my sleep over you.|Chris, traumatizing a chatroom full of trolls.}}

If this particular dream also happened to be a prophecy, GodJesus must have gotten his wires crossed. Chris never met Panda in person, and had more or less gotten over her long before she allegedly died early in 2009.

===The Ivy dream===
In [[Episode 19]], Chris recounted a vision where two-thirds of the Holy Trinity told him, in the most explicit possible terms, that [[Ivy]] was destined to be his one true love, that his enemies would be defeated, and that his [[biological clock]] would soon be conveniently reset. None of these prophecies came true. Chris may still believe that Ivy was absolutely not a troll, but this did not stop him from crafting a gruesome death for her in the pages of his comic.

===The Watery Maze Dream===
[[File:ThirdLabyrinth.gif|thumb|right|Animated for your non-pleasure. (Note: The original animation showed Chris's crude portraits of himself and the mystery woman as nude, but he added clothes so he could re-upload it to the G-rated Flipnote website).]]
Another one of Chris's wet dreams, in the literal sense this time, involves a vision of encountering his promised sweetheart in a "watery maze." Chris mentioned this recurring dream in his [[Quizzes#Christian Weston Chandler Quiz|quiz about himself]], although he didn't offer very many additional details.

[[Liquid Chris]] took advantage of this bit of information to mock his rival in one of his [[For Chris|videos]], declaring that he and his girlfriend [[Kacey]] "are going to swim through a watery maze and make passionate love to each other and [[Captain's Log, Stardate April 28th, 2009|it's going to be awesome]]."

Chris eventually immortalized this dream in a [[RomanticLabyrinth|terrifying animation]], showing us a little more of what it's about. The details were unsurprising: in a maze full of water, Chris meets an unspecified woman and has sex with her. The end.

Chris was especially eager to keep this animation on [[Flipnote Hatena]], having uploaded it a grand total of ''six times'', despite its assorted violations of the website's policies. Though the site's moderators deleted it a number of times, he doggedly kept re-uploading it. Judging by the monologue after the dream ("If only I knew who you are in reality...") Chris believes that the [[Lovely Weather|"LOVELY WOMAN"]] is a real boyfriend-free girl somewhere, perhaps one who suffers from a recurring nightmare in which she is raped by an obese manchild. By putting his sex fantasy where everyone could see it, Chris may have been attempting to contact the non-existent woman.

===Sticky Dream===
Due to the combined threat of his somewhat [[Chris and English|slippery grip on language]] and his peculiar mindset on sex, Chris is noticeably confused about basic sexual terminology; for example, in [[Ivy Q&A#Threats|Ivy Q&A]] it's mentioned that Chris told Ivy that he had a "sticky dream" about her. When Ivy asked if he meant a wet dream, he replied, "No, that's when you pee yourself, silly!"

==Minor dreams==
===The Sonic on Game Boy dream===
In the [[Song of Christian]], Chris claims to have experienced a dream involving a [[Sonic the Hedgehog]] game for Nintendo's Game Boy handheld. According to the [[Sonichu Chronicles]], it took place in June 1997. This, he says, is what inspired the "Sonic Dumps Sega, Joins Nintendo" cover story on his [[Homemade Nintendo Power magazine|homemade ''Nintendo Power'' magazine]], as well as the many half-assed knockoff Sonic game concepts inside of it. He also wrote a letter to the real ''Nintendo Power'' describing the dream.

This is one dream of Chris's that actually came true, after a fashion. While Nintendo never made a Sonic game for the original Game Boy, ''[[Wikipedia:Sonic Advance|Sonic Advance]]'' hit the Game Boy Advance at the tail end of 2001. It was one of the very first Sonic games for a non-Sega hardware platform, seeing release around the same time as ''Sonic Adventure 2: Battle'' for Nintendo's GameCube. In typical Chris fashion, he announced that he "pretty much foretold that outcome" in a [[The Sonichu Chronicles|PowerPoint presentation]].

===The Pamela dream===
During his chats with (someone he believed to be) [[Vanessa Hudgens]], Chris cited a dream that taught him a useful moral lesson. Supposedly, during the long months of the [[Megan Saga]], Chris had a dream where he "had to choose" between his True and Honest love for [[Megan Schroeder]] and his temporary lust for [[Chris and television|TV star Pamela Anderson]]. "I stuck by my [[Chris and religion|morals]] and went for Megan," Chris explained. "And because the same is being applied between you and [[Ivy]], I am going to remain strong and true and stay with Ivy."

Given that he never got any from Megan, of course, in retrospect the sensible choice would have been to go for Pamela, a la Borat. Here's to the path not taken.

===The Patti-chan dream===
Some time after the death of his beloved dog [[Patti Chandler|Patti]], Chris had a dream (or multiple dreams) reassuring him that Patti was all right and living comfortably in the presence of God. Chris discussed this in his [[Chris's Plea to Clyde Cash|Plea to Clyde Cash]] from [[January 2009]], hoping that Clyde would follow his example, "get over" the death of [[Ryan Cash]], and stop cruelly tormenting him. For some reason, Clyde chose to ignore Chris's advice.

===The acid factory dream===

In [[Mailbag 39]], responding to a question that attempted to reason with him about his hatred of [[Asperchu]], Chris dove off along a tangent and described a particularly picturesque nightmare that mixes his hatred of [[tobacky]], his now non-hatred of [[alcohol]], and his [[Chris and race|racism]].

{{quote|I was in a factory and I watched PEOPLE lying on a conveyor belt with their mouths full of cigarettes, [[Chris and race#Jews|going through BURNING OVENS]], coming out singed (not ON FIRE), then dunked into a huge tank of Alcohol that DISSOLVED THEM to DUST like ACID would do, and their remains would come out of the factory's smokestacks in puffs of smoke and ashes. And another detail, the Front of the factory is SKULL-SHAPED.|Your guess is as good as ours.}}
[[Image:Wily's Castle.jpg|thumb|A skull-shaped building, where have we seen that?]]

Chris has a habit of bringing up traumatic experiences from his past on the least provocation, usually as a way of fishing for sympathy. For instance, during the [[Father Call]], he went on the defensive by suddenly changing the subject to the incident where he was allegedly abused at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School|elementary school]].

===Dreaming of death===
Chris has apparently dreamed on multiple occasions of the instant that precedes death. In his [[ChrisChanSonichu_and_WikiSysop_correspondence#Size_does_not_matter._.28CCS.29|conversations]] with the Sysop of [[CWCipedia]], while complaining about various objectionable advertisements on "his" site, he delivered the following bizarre non sequitur:

{{quote|Seeing the BIG Ad in the One Spot is as terrifying as the Flash Of Light at the Instant Millisecond of DEATH, or even, technologically, the [[Wikipedia:Blue Screen Of Death|Blue Screen Of Death]]. And Believe Me, IN DREAMS, and even IN MOMENTS within my mind while AWAKE, I HAVE SEEN AND FELT That Death Light. Not only is it the Most Horrifying Thing Ever, but I am [[Chris and English|LOOOONG NOT READY FOR IT YET]].|This statement offered without comment.}}

Exactly why Chris chose to draw a connection between the moment of a human being's physical death and the moment of a Windows PC crashing is uncertain. This might be because the error alert that comes up after a critical system error in PCs is colloquially known as the "Blue Screen of Death" (BSoD), which literal-minded Chris would associate with a real near death experience.

In a [[Jackie E-mails 31|leaked e-mail]] from 2011, Chris recalls a dream he had years ago (sometime before [[2005]], according to Chris) in which the Grim Reaper made an appearance. In the dream, Chris asked the Grim Reaper how long [[Bob Chandler|his father]] had left to live, and the Reaper told Chris that he would not claim Bob's soul until 2015. This dream turned out to be inaccurate, as Bob died in [[September 2011|September]] of [[2011]]. Offering up more evidence that supports the idea that Chris believes that his dreams give him the ability to predict the future, Chris expresses disdain for the Reaper and says that he was promised four more years with his father.

===High school dreams===
During his [[Emily Date Conversation Transcript|date with Emily]], Chris mentioned recurring dreams about his days at [[Manchester High School]]. Given that his high school years were the last time Chris had anything like real friends or a fulfilling social life, it's no surprise that he often revisits them in his dreams. He describes the dreams in a very wistful, nostalgic tone: "I get to see all my- all my old s- c- all my old friends... there."

Chris also added that Megan Schroeder sometimes appears in his dreams of high school, even though he didn't meet her until well after he graduated and returned home to [[Ruckersville]]. Clearly, his unconscious mind is cobbling together an amalgam of all his fondest memories.

===Prince dream===
According to an August 29, 2010 e-mail to [[Jackie]], Chris dreamt that he was in a Prince and Pauper situation, in which he switched lives with a Prince. He called it "confusing and [[stress]]-filled" and said he was surrounded with people who had no understanding of him, and was upset with the Prince's [[abusive babysitter|babysitter]] for calling Yoshi a "[[homos|homosexual]] icon".<ref>http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/Jackie_E-mails_11</ref>

===Yahtzee dream===
In a [[January 2014]] [[January_2014_Facebook_Posts#Yahtzee_Dream|Facebook]] post, Chris describes a dream he had in which he played a worded version of Yahtzee. As he describes it, "there was a predetermined crossword pattern on cardboard pieces and a set list of words. And the seven dice had letters and asterisks for blank squares instead of dots for numbers. You roll the dice and match the letters out of them in a word, and you match them up in that cross word. After completing one word, then when you complete another that intercepts the first, that's when you yell 'Yahtzee!'" Unlike Chris's other dreams, he did not seem to read too much into this one.

==Typifying Chris's dreams==
Just like those of real people, Chris's dreams can be split into some distinct categories which can tell us more about his motivations, his fears, and his state of mind at the time he dreamt them. It should be noted that the dreams Chris has seen fit to discuss are no doubt the ones which have affected him emotionally and which he thus considers worthy of discussion. It is highly likely that on most nights he simply dreams his Aspie dreams about day-to-day events, just like we all do. Considering what Chris's life is like, these are probably not worth consideration by anyone.

===Wish-fulfillment Dreams===
Freud stated that all dreams were a kind of wish-fulfillment. While this has been discussed ad nauseam and expanded upon by many psychologists in the years since, this represents a good jumping-off point for studying some of Chris's dreams. As one example — Chris's dog died, and he wanted to know that she was happy, so he dreamt that she was in heaven. This is simple enough (though it does raise questions about Chris's ability to work through his grief). Also part of this are dreams when he is back at high school, in dumbass classes where he wasn't affected by the cruelties of real life, surrounded by [[gal-pals]] and still svelte enough to fit into his Ash Ketchum costume. The anachronistic appearance of Megan in these dreams serves to confirm that they represent mental wish-fulfillment on his part. Chris wants to go back to high school, and his mind allows him to do so.

===Aspirational dreams===
Chris's dream about Crystal, and those he attributes to the influence of God, represent a far less common and somewhat more problematic type of dream — ones which seem to create aspirations in the dreamer. These dreams are extremely rare, in many cases happening only a handful of times in an entire lifetime (according to Jung). Chris's dream about Crystal, considering it happened at such an early age, likely coincided with a major period of psychological growth in his life (what little we know about Chris's life at this time may support this notion), which would have inflated an otherwise small thought in his mind to a highly emotional aspiration. To have remembered this dream for so long suggests a feeling of bliss or enormous happiness at the time of dreaming, which he now associates with the content of the dream. Crystal therefore represents less an actual wish for a daughter (Chris doesn't know shit about raising children, and is too lazy and self-centered to do it well) and more a desire to return to the state of happiness he felt in his sleep, likely at a moment of extreme personal catharsis within his waking life.

===Nightmares===
Given Chris's [[Parody|total lack of imagination]], his nightmares seem shockingly vivid. The particulars of what they represent are a job for a psychologist of a level above that of a [[Rocky Shoemaker|church counselor]] (although the acid factory dream is simple enough to understand - Chris hates [[alcohol]] and [[tobacky]]), but their apparent muffled severity offers us some hope that within the stagnating mass of lard and stupidity that is Chris, there is a voice of reason struggling to escape like a drowning man screaming madly for the surface. If Chris ever discovers the core of the turmoil indicated by his nightmares and what they represent, it would very likely destroy his perspective on the world and he may finally continue on the path towards psychological maturity.

==See also==
*[[Chris and psychology]]
*[[Chris and religion]]

==References==
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[[Category:Chris]]

Talk:Father Call

2014-05-15T08:42:11Z

TheManInBeige: /* Kacey's "father" */

Transcription

Easiest way to do it

Sign up for 5 minute intervals.

GO.

I will try and bash out the second ten minutes at least right now. Too caffeined to sleep. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 09:48, 11 November 2009 (CET)
*Fuck it. 20-30 minutes it is as well. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 10:22, 11 November 2009 (CET)
:*Just in case anyone was looking for a second opinion, I can confirm that yes, he did indeed say "I don't like to leave an unfinished project finished." Also the stammering here is of an unprecedented magnitude. I give up until I can return to this shit while intoxicated. (Also for enterprising transcribers, I recommend [http://www.nch.com.au/scribe/ Express Scribe], lets you set hotkeys for stop/start/rewind, pretty handy.) [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 10:57, 11 November 2009 (CET)

Good article, bad name. Seriously, call it "Kacey's Parent Call" or something like that. This article should be about the call, not the dad. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:59, 11 November 2009 (CET)
* Or we could just copy the transcript into its own article and use this page to write about Matt once the transcript gives folks some raw material to work with. Either way. (Also, apropos of nothing, I'm gonna hear "IT WAS APPLEBEE'S" over and over in my dreams once I finally get to sleep.) [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 12:05, 11 November 2009 (CET)
:* If the transcript for this audio is done, go ahead and remove both the incomplete and transcription tags. And thanks for the tip about Express Scribe, by the way. [[User:Llort|Llort]] 05:13, 12 November 2009 (CET)
::* Oh, no, it's not done. I just started working backwards from the end a bit last night because somebody else was uploading stuff from the beginning at the time and I didn't want to repeat their effort. There's about 40 minutes left in the middle still, between the 50- and 90-minute marks. But that shouldn't be hard to knock off fairly soon. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 05:23, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:::* I only noticed after I'd written above that there was actually a gap in the middle of the transcript. (I'd been skipping around some.) I dare say you're inhuman to have transcribed even this much. [[User:Llort|Llort]] 05:28, 12 November 2009 (CET)
::::* Whew. It's done. All y'all feel free to correct and link whatever, I'm sure I missed more than a couple typos. And if you can explain what the hell that "WARRIORS" shit means I'd love to know. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 09:05, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:::::* Well done with the transcription. I cleared up some small spelling errors. Nothing big. --[[User:Hayate666|Hayate666]] 12:30, 12 November 2009 (CET)

I just want it to be known that I don't think I've ''ever'' hated Chris as much as I do now. [[User:Ayvuir|Ayvuir]] 04:08, 13 November 2009 (CET)

==Chris talks to Kacey and Liquid==

Bryan Bash just dropped this on /cwc/. It's pretty insane.

http://legi0n.789chan.org/cwc/res/490.html --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 19:48, 11 November 2009 (CET)
*If it's the call I think it is, make a new page for that. That's a new classic. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:48, 11 November 2009 (CET)

== Category for phone calls? ==

I was just thinking, should there be a category for phone calls such as this, [[Kacey and Liquid Call]] and [[Kacey Phone Call]]? Or is there not enough of them for one to be necessary? --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 23:06, 11 November 2009 (CET)
*Sure, why not? They'll be more phone calls in the future, I tell you what. Well, maybe not from Kacey but other trolls. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:10, 11 November 2009 (CET)

== Who here thought of... ==

<hexbawx>...Chris as Caboose and the Dad as Sarge, from Red vs. Blue? [http://roostertooths.com/transcripts.php?show=rvb&season=3&ep=39 The similarities are striking].</hexbawx> --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 11:25, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*Actually, I'd think of 'em more as Chris as GRIF or perhaps and unholy fusion of Grif and Caboose.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 18:54, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*The difference being that Caboose is lovably dumb and funny, and Grif is a hilarious kissass, and Chris is Chris. Chris lacks little things like "intentional hilarity" and "witty dialog" to make the comparison work better. [[User:Ensign disposable|Ensign disposable]] 21:39, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*I think Kasey's dad sounded like the new Batman from ''Batman: The Brave and The Bold'' to me. Come to think of it, he kinda sounded like Diedrich Bader in general. --[[User:UJ1985|UJ1985]] 07:30, 14 November 2009 (CET)
:* Am I right in thinking that Kacey's "Dad" and Liquid Chris are one and the same? [[User:Glorious Tentacularity|Glorious Tentacularity]] 15:45, 21 November 2009 (CET)

== Step 2 - wikify==
Great job on the transcription, now it needs to be wikified with links to appropriate articles. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:33, 12 November 2009 (CET)

:What for? Because of this blue text the links are practically invisible. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 20:53, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*Should still have wiki links. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:18, 14 November 2009 (CET)

*Seriously, this needs to be wikified. Fuck, I might end up doing this myself. But someone, please beat me to it. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

== Fun Fact ==

The Chandlers have a riding lawnmower in their yard. If it actually works, mowing the lawn would be as easy as sitting on your ass and enjoying a cold drink. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 09:39, 20 November 2009 (CET)
*What's the source of that? If you can find it, then it'd be worth to make a note (maybe like a footnote) and point out that Chris is so lazy that sitting on his ass is a chore for him. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:18, 21 November 2009 (CET)
*You can see it in [[CWC Fighter]], its in the background and you can kinda see it next to [[son-chu|chris's car]] while Chris fails at imitating martial arts.[[User:Flyingdingo0827|Flyingdingo0827]] 05:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
* He walks past it in the yard tour too, I think. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 06:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

==Kacey's "father"==

Shouldn't we mention that Kacey's "father" is just another troll? Otherwise, if someone comes to this page and doesn't read the whole transcript or listen to the phone call, they'll probably think that Chris actually spoke with Kacey's dad. [[User:Llort|Llort]] 20:00, 21 November 2009 (CET)
*Why the fuck would someone think that 1) this guy is actually a 50 year old man who is actually Kacey's dad and that 2) someone's dad would actually bother talking to Chris for so long? Of course he's a troll, as is Kacey and 99% of the people Chris interacts with. What difference would it make? For canon purposes, Kacey's father talked to Chris and this is the call between them.
:The thing is, trolling Chris can be a bit theatrical at times. People establish personas, storylines, motives, etc. behind trolling Chris and people love it and people can't believe Chris actually falls for it (Chris once remarked how his life was a soap opera and I recall being amazed but not surprised given that he's delusional enough to believe that it's perfectly reasonable to be in a situation where he was in a love triangle with him, a girl from 5000 miles away, and a rapist meanwhile trying to get his game idea published with Nintendo). If we get too meta and go with the total truth, you'd just have an entire wiki about basement dwellers, weaboos, and [[User:CrassCrab|Internet sociopaths]] who get off to trolling a manchild. Of course trolls are trolling Chris but that's not canon. Not just targeting you Llort, but after your comment and seeing some "commentary" on the effectiveness of Jimmy Hill in the Jimmy Hill article, I felt this needed to be said. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:14, 21 November 2009 (CET)
*Is the reason for not revealing that it's a troll to prevent Chris from finding out if he ever discovers this page? --[[User:Doomknight|Doomknight]] 09:35, 30 November 2009 (CET)
*Kacey's dad's performance is good up to about the point he starts talking about being in Desert Storm onward. Carrying his dead/dying buddy all the way back to base? Seems fishy but okay. Digging his mother out of the 9/11 rubble? Uh, nah, don't think so. Not breaking a sweat from running ten miles? Come on, man.
He just starts stretching it thinner and thinner just to keep Chris talking. Fortunately, his complete and utter lack of a believable performance if anything increases the impact of the call. Not once does Chris make any call-out of the increasingly obvious bullshit, which either suggests he's genuinely naive (lol) towards literally ANYthing regarding the real world, or he's so desperate for a Sweetheart to Build from the Ground Up that's he's willing to eat up a solid 2:20 of demeaning insulting garbage just for a chance to hook up with a girl he met a single time who he's been told several times is already engaged.
:*The last post was written by [[User:CorbeauNoir]]. Please don't forget to sign your posts!!! --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 16:24, 13 December 2009 (CET)
:*The biggest giveaway that it was a troll was that the Dad already knew about Chris thinking standing up is exercise when Chris made no mention of it. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:*What gave him away for me was when he said "Are you threatening an Ex-Marine?". No Devil Dog would ever call himself an "Ex-Marine". Once a Marine, Always a Marine. The "Ex" suffix is only attached for those who've received a dishonorable discharge. --[[User:Jerkop421|Jerkop421]] 03:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
<nowiki>I was able to work out from simply looking at the year he was born, and then calculating his current age, that it's incredibly unlikely that he was even slightly involved in the Gulf War, and his claims about his fitness are dubious, at best, so yeah, anyone that even glances at the top of the article could probably deduce that Matt isn't really who he's made out to be. Hell, even a lazy, autistic manchild could do it. ~TheManInBeige</nowiki>

==An Idea That Might Be Funny==
Based on the texture of Kacey's dad's voice (or the troll portraying him, but let's keep up decorum) I think it might be funny if we got a picture of Brock Samson from ''The Venture Brothers'' and put that on the article with the caption "Artist's interpretation of Mr. Devoria." Seriously, he sounds like Patrick Warburton. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 2:27, 16 December 2009 (CEST)
*[[CWCki:DOITFAGGOT|DO IT, FAGGOT]]--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:39, 17 December 2009 (CET)
Done and done. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 12:49, 20 December 2009 (CEST)

== I reformatted the shit out of this. ==

I'll change it back if everybody hates it, but I won't apologize.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
*It's awful...AWFULLY GOOD. Seriously, more transcripts should be like this. Subheadings though, I have an issue with in general for reasons I won't go into now but nonetheless, this is a very good reformatted version. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

==Somehow this guy pisses me off more than BlueSpike==

Even knowing the "father" is a troll doesn't keep me from wanting to kick him in the balls. I guess he's just a little too close to the way arrogant old people with a bit of authority are in real life. [[User:Niggoducks|Niggoducks]] 05:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:* I think thats the genius of all this. Throughout his entire life, Chris has been lacking a firm authority figure to put him in his place (his parents pampered him, his teachers put him on the Honor Roll, etc.). The only closest thing to an authority figure in his life has been, appropriately, a group of mall security guards. However, this call definitely is one of the most interesting pieces of content out of all the material on this website. It proposes the concept of Chris actually being talked down to by someone he is required to respect (when people on the internet do it to him, he can just visibly ignore them, but when Kacey's Dad does it he is forced to act like he cares) and all of the hilarity that would follow. Needless to say, if Chris had actually grown up in the household of an arrogant ex-military republican, I would think that he may have actually become a much more mature and independent person than he currently is. --[[User:LiquidChrisForever|LiquidChrisForever]] 14:28, 15 August 2010 (PDT) 

::*Edit: After writing this, it dawned upon me that Chris' father actually is an arrogant ex-military republican, and yet somehow Bob has still bought into the idea that Chris is a poor soul tormented by the entire world for the sole reason of him being a very successful and creative superstar due to Sonichu. I honestly don't know what to think now. --[[User:LiquidChrisForever|LiquidChrisForever]] 17:18, 16 August 2010 (PDT)
::: Old people with authority exert their authority authentically. I think it's worth noting that, because "Kacey's Father" had never actually had military experience, his attempt at feigning he did was far from the way an actual veteran would normally act. Off-topic here from what would be worth adding to the article: I think war heroes very much deserve to be as "arrogant" as they wish. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 20:46, 18 August 2011 (PDT)

Talk:Father Call

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TheManInBeige: /* Kacey's "father" */

Transcription

Easiest way to do it

Sign up for 5 minute intervals.

GO.

I will try and bash out the second ten minutes at least right now. Too caffeined to sleep. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 09:48, 11 November 2009 (CET)
*Fuck it. 20-30 minutes it is as well. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 10:22, 11 November 2009 (CET)
:*Just in case anyone was looking for a second opinion, I can confirm that yes, he did indeed say "I don't like to leave an unfinished project finished." Also the stammering here is of an unprecedented magnitude. I give up until I can return to this shit while intoxicated. (Also for enterprising transcribers, I recommend [http://www.nch.com.au/scribe/ Express Scribe], lets you set hotkeys for stop/start/rewind, pretty handy.) [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 10:57, 11 November 2009 (CET)

Good article, bad name. Seriously, call it "Kacey's Parent Call" or something like that. This article should be about the call, not the dad. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:59, 11 November 2009 (CET)
* Or we could just copy the transcript into its own article and use this page to write about Matt once the transcript gives folks some raw material to work with. Either way. (Also, apropos of nothing, I'm gonna hear "IT WAS APPLEBEE'S" over and over in my dreams once I finally get to sleep.) [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 12:05, 11 November 2009 (CET)
:* If the transcript for this audio is done, go ahead and remove both the incomplete and transcription tags. And thanks for the tip about Express Scribe, by the way. [[User:Llort|Llort]] 05:13, 12 November 2009 (CET)
::* Oh, no, it's not done. I just started working backwards from the end a bit last night because somebody else was uploading stuff from the beginning at the time and I didn't want to repeat their effort. There's about 40 minutes left in the middle still, between the 50- and 90-minute marks. But that shouldn't be hard to knock off fairly soon. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 05:23, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:::* I only noticed after I'd written above that there was actually a gap in the middle of the transcript. (I'd been skipping around some.) I dare say you're inhuman to have transcribed even this much. [[User:Llort|Llort]] 05:28, 12 November 2009 (CET)
::::* Whew. It's done. All y'all feel free to correct and link whatever, I'm sure I missed more than a couple typos. And if you can explain what the hell that "WARRIORS" shit means I'd love to know. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 09:05, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:::::* Well done with the transcription. I cleared up some small spelling errors. Nothing big. --[[User:Hayate666|Hayate666]] 12:30, 12 November 2009 (CET)

I just want it to be known that I don't think I've ''ever'' hated Chris as much as I do now. [[User:Ayvuir|Ayvuir]] 04:08, 13 November 2009 (CET)

==Chris talks to Kacey and Liquid==

Bryan Bash just dropped this on /cwc/. It's pretty insane.

http://legi0n.789chan.org/cwc/res/490.html --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 19:48, 11 November 2009 (CET)
*If it's the call I think it is, make a new page for that. That's a new classic. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:48, 11 November 2009 (CET)

== Category for phone calls? ==

I was just thinking, should there be a category for phone calls such as this, [[Kacey and Liquid Call]] and [[Kacey Phone Call]]? Or is there not enough of them for one to be necessary? --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 23:06, 11 November 2009 (CET)
*Sure, why not? They'll be more phone calls in the future, I tell you what. Well, maybe not from Kacey but other trolls. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 23:10, 11 November 2009 (CET)

== Who here thought of... ==

<hexbawx>...Chris as Caboose and the Dad as Sarge, from Red vs. Blue? [http://roostertooths.com/transcripts.php?show=rvb&season=3&ep=39 The similarities are striking].</hexbawx> --''[[User:Wwwwolf|wwwwolf]]'' ([[User talk:Wwwwolf|wake me when you need me]]) 11:25, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*Actually, I'd think of 'em more as Chris as GRIF or perhaps and unholy fusion of Grif and Caboose.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 18:54, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*The difference being that Caboose is lovably dumb and funny, and Grif is a hilarious kissass, and Chris is Chris. Chris lacks little things like "intentional hilarity" and "witty dialog" to make the comparison work better. [[User:Ensign disposable|Ensign disposable]] 21:39, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*I think Kasey's dad sounded like the new Batman from ''Batman: The Brave and The Bold'' to me. Come to think of it, he kinda sounded like Diedrich Bader in general. --[[User:UJ1985|UJ1985]] 07:30, 14 November 2009 (CET)
:* Am I right in thinking that Kacey's "Dad" and Liquid Chris are one and the same? [[User:Glorious Tentacularity|Glorious Tentacularity]] 15:45, 21 November 2009 (CET)

== Step 2 - wikify==
Great job on the transcription, now it needs to be wikified with links to appropriate articles. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:33, 12 November 2009 (CET)

:What for? Because of this blue text the links are practically invisible. --[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 20:53, 12 November 2009 (CET)
:*Should still have wiki links. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:18, 14 November 2009 (CET)

*Seriously, this needs to be wikified. Fuck, I might end up doing this myself. But someone, please beat me to it. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:00, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

== Fun Fact ==

The Chandlers have a riding lawnmower in their yard. If it actually works, mowing the lawn would be as easy as sitting on your ass and enjoying a cold drink. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 09:39, 20 November 2009 (CET)
*What's the source of that? If you can find it, then it'd be worth to make a note (maybe like a footnote) and point out that Chris is so lazy that sitting on his ass is a chore for him. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:18, 21 November 2009 (CET)
*You can see it in [[CWC Fighter]], its in the background and you can kinda see it next to [[son-chu|chris's car]] while Chris fails at imitating martial arts.[[User:Flyingdingo0827|Flyingdingo0827]] 05:23, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
* He walks past it in the yard tour too, I think. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 06:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

==Kacey's "father"==

Shouldn't we mention that Kacey's "father" is just another troll? Otherwise, if someone comes to this page and doesn't read the whole transcript or listen to the phone call, they'll probably think that Chris actually spoke with Kacey's dad. [[User:Llort|Llort]] 20:00, 21 November 2009 (CET)
*Why the fuck would someone think that 1) this guy is actually a 50 year old man who is actually Kacey's dad and that 2) someone's dad would actually bother talking to Chris for so long? Of course he's a troll, as is Kacey and 99% of the people Chris interacts with. What difference would it make? For canon purposes, Kacey's father talked to Chris and this is the call between them.
:The thing is, trolling Chris can be a bit theatrical at times. People establish personas, storylines, motives, etc. behind trolling Chris and people love it and people can't believe Chris actually falls for it (Chris once remarked how his life was a soap opera and I recall being amazed but not surprised given that he's delusional enough to believe that it's perfectly reasonable to be in a situation where he was in a love triangle with him, a girl from 5000 miles away, and a rapist meanwhile trying to get his game idea published with Nintendo). If we get too meta and go with the total truth, you'd just have an entire wiki about basement dwellers, weaboos, and [[User:CrassCrab|Internet sociopaths]] who get off to trolling a manchild. Of course trolls are trolling Chris but that's not canon. Not just targeting you Llort, but after your comment and seeing some "commentary" on the effectiveness of Jimmy Hill in the Jimmy Hill article, I felt this needed to be said. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 20:14, 21 November 2009 (CET)
*Is the reason for not revealing that it's a troll to prevent Chris from finding out if he ever discovers this page? --[[User:Doomknight|Doomknight]] 09:35, 30 November 2009 (CET)
*Kacey's dad's performance is good up to about the point he starts talking about being in Desert Storm onward. Carrying his dead/dying buddy all the way back to base? Seems fishy but okay. Digging his mother out of the 9/11 rubble? Uh, nah, don't think so. Not breaking a sweat from running ten miles? Come on, man.
He just starts stretching it thinner and thinner just to keep Chris talking. Fortunately, his complete and utter lack of a believable performance if anything increases the impact of the call. Not once does Chris make any call-out of the increasingly obvious bullshit, which either suggests he's genuinely naive (lol) towards literally ANYthing regarding the real world, or he's so desperate for a Sweetheart to Build from the Ground Up that's he's willing to eat up a solid 2:20 of demeaning insulting garbage just for a chance to hook up with a girl he met a single time who he's been told several times is already engaged.
:*The last post was written by [[User:CorbeauNoir]]. Please don't forget to sign your posts!!! --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 16:24, 13 December 2009 (CET)
:*The biggest giveaway that it was a troll was that the Dad already knew about Chris thinking standing up is exercise when Chris made no mention of it. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:37, 6 March 2010 (UTC)
:*What gave him away for me was when he said "Are you threatening an Ex-Marine?". No Devil Dog would ever call himself an "Ex-Marine". Once a Marine, Always a Marine. The "Ex" suffix is only attached for those who've received a dishonorable discharge. --[[User:Jerkop421|Jerkop421]] 03:54, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
<nowiki>I was able to work out from simply looking at the year he was born, and then calculating his current age, that it's incredibly unlikely that he was even slightly involved in the Gulf War, and his claims about his fitness are dubious, at best, so yeah, anyone that even glances at the top of the article could probably deduce that Matt isn't really who he's made out to be. Hell, even a lazy, autistic manchild could do it.</nowiki>

==An Idea That Might Be Funny==
Based on the texture of Kacey's dad's voice (or the troll portraying him, but let's keep up decorum) I think it might be funny if we got a picture of Brock Samson from ''The Venture Brothers'' and put that on the article with the caption "Artist's interpretation of Mr. Devoria." Seriously, he sounds like Patrick Warburton. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 2:27, 16 December 2009 (CEST)
*[[CWCki:DOITFAGGOT|DO IT, FAGGOT]]--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:39, 17 December 2009 (CET)
Done and done. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|Manwithoutabody]] 12:49, 20 December 2009 (CEST)

== I reformatted the shit out of this. ==

I'll change it back if everybody hates it, but I won't apologize.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 05:53, 1 March 2010 (UTC)
*It's awful...AWFULLY GOOD. Seriously, more transcripts should be like this. Subheadings though, I have an issue with in general for reasons I won't go into now but nonetheless, this is a very good reformatted version. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:33, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

==Somehow this guy pisses me off more than BlueSpike==

Even knowing the "father" is a troll doesn't keep me from wanting to kick him in the balls. I guess he's just a little too close to the way arrogant old people with a bit of authority are in real life. [[User:Niggoducks|Niggoducks]] 05:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
:* I think thats the genius of all this. Throughout his entire life, Chris has been lacking a firm authority figure to put him in his place (his parents pampered him, his teachers put him on the Honor Roll, etc.). The only closest thing to an authority figure in his life has been, appropriately, a group of mall security guards. However, this call definitely is one of the most interesting pieces of content out of all the material on this website. It proposes the concept of Chris actually being talked down to by someone he is required to respect (when people on the internet do it to him, he can just visibly ignore them, but when Kacey's Dad does it he is forced to act like he cares) and all of the hilarity that would follow. Needless to say, if Chris had actually grown up in the household of an arrogant ex-military republican, I would think that he may have actually become a much more mature and independent person than he currently is. --[[User:LiquidChrisForever|LiquidChrisForever]] 14:28, 15 August 2010 (PDT) 

::*Edit: After writing this, it dawned upon me that Chris' father actually is an arrogant ex-military republican, and yet somehow Bob has still bought into the idea that Chris is a poor soul tormented by the entire world for the sole reason of him being a very successful and creative superstar due to Sonichu. I honestly don't know what to think now. --[[User:LiquidChrisForever|LiquidChrisForever]] 17:18, 16 August 2010 (PDT)
::: Old people with authority exert their authority authentically. I think it's worth noting that, because "Kacey's Father" had never actually had military experience, his attempt at feigning he did was far from the way an actual veteran would normally act. Off-topic here from what would be worth adding to the article: I think war heroes very much deserve to be as "arrogant" as they wish. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 20:46, 18 August 2011 (PDT)

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