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Toucher and Rich Segment

2012-06-09T19:28:42Z

Trip2themoon: /* External links */ Sadly no longer available. I would have liked to have heard this.

[[Image:BaronHarkonnen.jpg|thumb|Chris in "the David Lynch movie of your nightmares."]]

[[Chris]]'s 1 [[May 2009]] video [[For My Sweetest Ivy]] was the focus of a segment of '''''[[Wikipedia:The Toucher and Rich Show|The Toucher and Rich Show]]''''', a Boston-area radio show, that aired on 12 [[May 2009]]. There are some details that the hosts of the show get wrong, like the apparent confusion of [[Ivy]] with [[Megan]], but this is understandable given that their knowledge of him is mostly second-hand.

This is one of the rare discussions of Chris in the mainstream and not by [[trolls|obsessives]] on the [[Internet]]. Notice that no matter how much the hosts try to warp Chris's voice, the original is still the most disturbing.

==Transcript==
'''Toucher:''' Sometimes you don't realize how big something's getting on the internet. We are Toucher and Rich -- Rich Shertenlieb, Crash Clark, Adolfo Gonzalez. My name is Fred Toettcher. Two ways to get involved with the show. Please feel free to instant feedback -- go to WBCN.com and click on "Instant Feedback," or give us a call at 617-931-1041. Here is the deal: we got sent a e-mail from a guy who said, "Look at, this is the most disturbing thing I've seen in a really long time. What the F is up with this guy?" And he was the guy, do you have "I Got A Fish?"

'''Rich:''' I got it right here, yeah. [''Plays clip from "[[I Got A Fish]]:"'']

:'''Chris:''' I got a fish! Would ya like to make a wish? I got a fish! Would ya like to make a wish? I got a fiiiiiiiiish! Would ya like to make a wish? 

'''Toucher:''' And he is a grown man who is standing in a [[Chris's room|room]] full of [[toys]], and he is saying things, uh, this is him describing, do you have the description of what he likes, the spanking, he's kind of describing--

'''Rich:''' Oh no, I don't have that. Do, do some of it.

'''Toucher:''' Yeah, basically he's describing how he likes, uh, there's [[April 16 Fetish Vids|pictures of him]] that have been leaked on the internet wearing [[Butt garments|adult diapers]], uh, he likes being spanked, and that's because [[Captain's_Log,_Stardate_April_28th,_2009|that's what adults do]]. Adults like feeling pleasure, uh, out of pain.

'''Rich:''' Right.

'''Toucher:''' Yeah, he is a disturbing young man. And I've been sent since then a bunch of links about this guy. And you know what, I don't remember his name and I don't care to; you'll be able to find him, don't worry about it. [''Laughs''] But, uh, he's got a million videos up on the internet, and he also apparently has a [[comic]] book that he draws and puts up on the internet--

'''Rich:''' Oh boy.

'''Toucher:''' --which is, I don't even want to get into, but which I, which I, from what I, if what I read is true, it's [[Sonichu 10|horribly disturbing]]. So anyway, he's kind of this manchild, he, uh, wears glasses, he looks a little bit like, for lack of a better description, [[Wikipedia:Phillip Seymour Hoffman|Phillip Seymour Hoffman]], almost? Like if he was playing a deranged guy. [''Laughs'']

'''Rich:''' [''Laughs.''] Right.

'''Toucher:''' Alright. So anyway, so from what I've read, there's a whole big, like, there's something that's, uh, that's like Wipi-[[Wikipedia]], but it's like "[[ED|Crapipedia]]" or something? [''Rich laughs.''] There's this big page about this guy, and I don't know if it's true or not, but they reference that [[JERKS|he hates all men]] because they, uh, have all the girls, all the girls he meets have girlfriends[sic], but there was one girl that he was friends with, that he fell madly in love with, and I guess that this is a, uh, an ode to her.

'''Rich:''' It is. Now, in this video, unlike in the other one where he's just sitting down wearing his, like, flannel shirt, like, looking at the camera, he is standing up, he's extremely excited, you can tell because he's kind of bobbling from side to side, and he's wearing his normal outfit except on top of it a blazer. 'Cause he wants to look proper.

'''Toucher:''' And he is nonchalantly holding his, uh, remote control. He always has a [[video game]] remote control on him. And once again, in his bedroom, with the toys and drawings and the cartoons.

'''Rich:''' And here you go.

'''Toucher:''' He's obsessed with [[Sonic the Hedgehog]], too, from what I've read. And if I failed to mention it yet, he's probably close to forty. [''Plays clip from "[[For My Sweetest Ivy]]"'']

:'''Chris:''' Hey Ivy! I'm doing this video for yoooou. Oh, we are gonna have so much fun together when you and I are together! Hmmm!

'''Toucher:''' Yeah right, dude! [''Rich laughs.''] Dude, dude, dude, enjoy, put the Nightmare Machine on, ladies and gentlemen. [''Plays a clip from "[[Wikipedia:Goodbye Horses|Goodbye Horses]]," alluding to the Buffalo Bill dance scene in [[Wikipedia:The Silence of the Lambs|The Silence of the Lambs]].''] I hope that you're not half-asleep with the snooze button listening to this guy, 'cause, welcome to the [[Wikipedia:David Lynch|David Lynch]] movie of your nightmares!

'''Rich:''' If I saw this in a David Lynch movie, I would say, like, "Alright, David Lynch is trying way too hard. Now he's like, making up stuff, that, this is too weird." [''Continues clip'']

:'''Chris:''' You know, [[Barbara|my mommy]] and I--my, my family and I will come and meet you at the airport. And you know, your choice so--take you to your hotel or, uh, bring you back to...my house, hmmm.

'''Toucher:''' Ooh. These little-- [''Replays and imitates Chris's whimper and laughs, then plays the "Goodbye Horses" clip again, adding Chris saying "Back to... my house" and "My mommy and I" with his voice digitally lowered.'']

'''Rich(?):''' "My mommy and me..." [''Plays stinger music'']

'''Toucher:''' Even when adult women say "mommy" it's freaky--

'''Rich:''' [''Laughing''] I know.

'''Toucher:''' --let alone an adult man talking to somebody he, uh, obviously wants a relationship with. Ai-yai-yai. I hope you've had that cup of coffee, ladies and gentlemen, because [''Laughs''] it only gets worse. [''Continues clip.'']

:'''Chris:''' I mean, uh, you know, we'd be hanging around so much and sharing so many fondful memories. Hmm. And you know, I few--I know a few good places in [[Charlottesville]], you know, I think it's, you know, I'll take you there, we'll get some good things to eeeeeat, and we’ll hang ooouut. We’ll have so much fun. I know a place that serves some great smoothies. And you know, we can enjoy a movie in the theater, or in--at home, or watch a television rerun. ''[[Family Guy]]''! Heh.

'''Toucher:''' "''Family Guy''!" [''They laugh and play the stinger music again.''] Tony, you're on Toucher and Rich.

'''Tony:''' Oh my God, two hundred years ago, this guy would have been ostracized out of a village or a town or something like that. [''Toucher and Rich laugh.''] I mean, he ''really'' needs to be around normal humans.

'''Toucher:''' Yeah, I guess there are videos, I've been told, where [[Christian Weston Chandler Interview|his ''mother'' appears]], like--

'''Rich:''' No!

'''Toucher:''' --comes into the room while he's filming 'em.

'''Rich:''' Oh man.

'''Toucher:''' Yeah, I mean, there's a, you could spend a good, uh, horrifying evening, [''Rich laughs''] if you wanted to go, like, out to the old haunted house and play these things, you could probably do it for a couple of hours. [''Continues clip'']

:'''Chris:''' ''Family Guy''! Or, uh, ''[[I Love Lucy]]'', or I got some—I got the entire series of ''[[Gilligan's Island]]'', hmmm. Hoo-hoo! Hmm, and we can make some music together... on ''[[Guitar Hero]]''. Hmmm. Well, you can sing, I got a microphone. I'm thinking about getting drums. [''Makes a drum sound.''] Hm, yeah. And you know, I will see you in the--I look forward to the eventuality of, uh, you and me having our [[sex]] time together.

'''Toucher:''' Aaaauugghhaaaaoooo! [''Plays clip of "Goodbye Horses" again''] I'm going to guess it never happened. [''Rich laughs.''] I'm going to guess that the lady saw this video and maybe thought-- [''Replays clip of Chris saying, "I look forward to the eventuality of, uh, you and me having our sex time together."'']

'''Rich:''' Oough.

'''Toucher:''' Alan, you're on Toucher and Rich.

'''Alan:''' Hey, guys, hey!

'''Toucher and Rich:''' Hey!

'''Alan:''' Um, make sure you save that videotape; [[jerkops|the FBI]] will want it for evidence.

'''Toucher:''' I have a feeling that, if all this is real, that, uh, there are [[Private_Villa_of_Corrupted_Citizens_(message_board)|several]] [[CWCki|organizations]] that are just keeping an eye on the, uh, the doings of this gentleman.

'''Rich:''' Yeah, the creepiest thing is that he, first of all, he talks like a little kid, like, "my mommy," and then in his first video, he was saying, because that's what adults do sometimes, like he's talking and addressing children.

'''Toucher:''' But I g--, this woman is an adult from what I've read, that he's addressing.

'''Rich:''' Oh, oh, maybe, maybe it is, maybe it is, but the other videos that he's made, it just seems like--

'''Toucher:''' He's very child-like and maybe he was relating to someone on a child-like level.

'''Rich:''' Right.

'''Toucher:''' That is a, that is an assumption. [''Continues clip'']

:'''Chris:''' Hmmm, I'll do you so many, I'll, I'll do my best to pleasure you and keep you satisfied, my sweetest Ivy, just for you. Just for you! Hmmm!

[''Rich laughs.'']

'''Toucher:''' Who did you save all this skin for? [''Plays clip of "Goodbye Horses" again, adding Chris saying "Just for you!" three times, with the first iteration digitally lowered.''] Why is this dog-cage all set up? [''Repeats digitally-lowered "Just for you!" and adds the "I look forward to the eventuality of, uh, you and me having our sex time together."'']

'''Toucher:''' I mean, you don't even have to play it slow, you don't have to do anything, this is like a night-- I've never gone through the whole video, it's, it's so disturbing to me. [''Continues clip'']

:'''Chris:''' I know a number of good positions and massages, hmm. Hmmm. And, you know, I know a number, uh, places we could walk around at, you know. We could walk about the mall!

'''Toucher:''' Ooh!

:'''Chris:''' We could walk about the UVA grounds! Good places where there's plenty of green and sunlight. Hmmmm, so, you know, wonderful memories! Wonderful memories! We're gonna have lots of fun. And I promise, I’ll remain your good boy forever and for always. Being a good boy just for you, Ivy. [''Sound of disgust from one of the hosts''] I love you so much, I love you so muuuuch! Hmmmm.

'''Toucher:''' Oulbggh!

'''Rich:''' [''Laughs''] Oh yeah!

'''Crash:''' It's making chills!

'''Rich:''' [''Laughs''] I know!

'''Crash:''' The chil-- he's a witch! [''Replays a slowed-down "Being a good boy just for you, Ivy. I love you so much, I love you so muuuuch!" and adds "Just for you!" and a slowed-down "Look at me smile" at the end.'']

'''Toucher:''' [''Laughing''] "Look at me smile!" [''Replays "I know a number of good positions and massages."''] Ohhhh. [''Continues clip'']

:'''Chris:''' Hmmm, look at me smile, hmm. It's a nice smile. Because I love you, Ivy! I love you so much. I ran out of details. I don't know. I guess I'll sing you a song.

'''Toucher:''' No!

:'''Chris:''' It's a jolly ‘oliday With Ivy Ivy makes my heart so light When the skies are grey And ordinary Ivy makes the sun shine bright. It's a jolly holiday with Ivy No wonder that it's Ivy that I love. I love you so much Ivy. I love you! I love youuu. [''Blows a kiss to the camera.''] Talk to you later, sweetheart. And also to your [[officer Keino|father the policeman]], I salute him with my Cub Scout salute.

'''Toucher:''' Ohhhhhhh ohh. [''Rich laughs.''] [''Plays circus music to "I look forward to the eventuality of, uh, you and me having our sex time together," "Oh, we are gonna have so much fun together when you and I are together!" and "Just for you!"'']

'''Toucher:''' I'm just hoping that they wouldn't let this guy on an airplane. Laura, you're on Toucher and Rich.

'''Laura:''' Thanks a lot for making me have a new really colorful character for my nightmares. [''Toucher and Rich laugh.'']

'''Toucher:''' E-especially for a woman.

'''Laura:''' I'm just gonna sleep with the light on for the rest of my life, now.

'''Toucher:''' Yes, indeed!

'''Laura:''' Oh my God!

'''Toucher:''' We should make a, we should make tapes of these specifically for certain people, just replace "Ivy" with "Laura"-- [''Replays "We can make some music together on ''Guitar Hero''" and "And I promise, I’ll remain your good boy forever and for always." while everyone laughs.'']

'''Toucher:''' Well, Rich is obviously from a conservative Catholic family and, uh, something happened over the weekend that maybe made them think he was a little bit of a psycho.

[''Segment ends.'']

==Chris's response==
Troll goddess [[Vivian Gee]] saw fit to inform Chris about his radio presence via e-mail. Needless to say, Chris was less than receptive.
{{Email|<nowiki>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e5a7HN0pa0w&feature=related</nowiki>

This was part of a radio show from a few months ago. It resurfaced recently and I had a listen.

If you wonder why this applies to you: skip to 7:00.

A woman comments about how YOU will be part of her nightmares now.

This is what normal people, not trolls, think of you. If you really think it's just trolls who have formed a bad opinion of you, think again. Just letting you know.}}
{{EmailReply|Well, I never asked for a reputation.‏

This WHOLE WORLD is becoming [[autistic]] by gluing ALL of their attention
to computers, [[internet]] and all that. I am a REAL LIFE MAN, and while I
do not appreciate or care much of the "reputation" that has been made
against me on the crappy internet, the TRUE Reputation I would call my
own is in REAL LIFE and from ACTUALLY HANGING OUT WITH ME IN PERSON.

Feel Free to Spread this Quote from me, "If you REALLY want to make a
Reputation Of Me, then Hang Out With Me In Real Life. Quit hiding
behind your F***ing Computers and "[[4-cent_garbage.com|Anonymous]]" Bu**S***."

Nobody is Perfect. But I AM a Good Person, and I do not have to be recorded to prove it.

Peace,
Christian.}}

Needless to say, the quote Chris manufactured for himself wasn't spread.

==See also==
*[[The Kevin and Bean Show Segment]]

Fridays After Five

2012-06-01T04:23:50Z

Trip2themoon: /* Videos */ User closed their account.

{{Quote|they've found me in R. Life to catch footage of me for their gross, uncool amusement.|Chris, referring to the trolls at FA5<ref>[http://flipnote.hatena.com/556109A0A0F27939@DSi/movie/F27939_09D08B2023EB4_016]</ref>}}

[[File:WantWoman.jpg|thumb|left|140px|You know he's [[straight]] because his [[bra]] says so.]]
[[Image:Fa5 2colorlogo.jpg|thumb|200px|Chris's new [[attraction Location|prowling ground]].]]

'''Fridays After Five''' is a large block party/concert series that takes place in [[Charlottesville]] from spring until fall. In [[June 2010]] [[Chris]] was video-recorded there, [[C-Ya Later|enjoying real life for once]].

Chris first mentioned Fridays After Five in a [[6 June 2010|video]] explaining his near hit-and-run on [[Michael Snyder]]. Based upon this knowledge, the manchild has been attending the event since at least 4 June 2010. Chris first alludes to his knowledge of Fridays after Five in the video [[Rollin' and Trollin'|"Rollin' and Trollin'"]], in which he stands outside the Charlottesville Pavilion and mentions how [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys]] play there every Friday night.

== 18 June Sighting==
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[[Image:Chrisgirl1.jpg|thumb|left|Chris trying to pick up a [[boyfriend-free girl]].]]
[[Image:Dancing.gif|thumb|185px|right|Chris attempting to dance. Note the man in the foreground shaking his head in disbelief/disgust.]]

On 18 June 2010, Chris went to one of these events and a good Samaritan ([[YouTube]] name [http://www.youtube.com/user/0ArchieBunker0 0ArchieBunker0]) took these videos and pictures of him out in public.

According to the author, Chris wore a T-shirt that says "I Enjoy [[Vagina]]" and was wearing a "[[gay]] circular thing" on his hip which is most likely his [[PokeWalker of Fail|PokéWalker]]. At some point, Chris pulled back his crude shirt to reveal his [[obesity|flabby gut]] and [[muscle bra|female support wear]], which he had apparently seen fit to write [[Love Quest|"WANT WOMAN!"]] on with permanent marker. Note the apparent, inexplicable (knowing Chris) absence of the [[Medallion of Fail]] - although it could have been removed just temporarily in order to simplify the (probably planned) act of pulling back the shirt.

Chris's clothing indicates he is looking to put a new twist on his [[Love Quest|old tricks]]. Like the [[attraction sign]], Chris is shown making a point to display the writing on his clothing, declaring that he "enjoys vagina" and "wants woman." This is yet another example that this [[autistic]] man-child does not learn from the mistakes of his past. Also, the videos filmed at this event mostly showed the back of Chris's head, which shows a small but emerging [[bald]] spot.

Besides exposing his covered bosom to potential [[sweetheart]]s - mostly [[pedofork|severely underage]] - Chris spent his time at the event [[Flipnote Hatena|drawing flipnotes]] on his [[Nintendo]] DSi, and trying to dance with a disturbing mix of Chicken Dance and [[autism]] - with all the grace and skill of [[CWC Fighter]].

It is unlikely that Chris was aware of being photographed, which proves that all these actions are Chris's idea of being normal. When Chris eventually realized (or it seemed so) he was being observed, he suddenly disappeared like Batman.

== 9 July Sighting ==
[[File:FAF-06092010.jpg|thumb|right|Tell me why I'm stuck in a sad lonely cage..]]
On 9 July, the troll who spotted Chris on [[McIntire Park#Independence Day Sighting|Independence Day]] spotted him again. According to the troll, Chris had unscrewed the zoom lens from his DSi and was using it as a rudimentary telescope by pressing it up to his eye.

{{quotebox|
Sorry for not adding more with the pictures, but I did notice that Chris had taken his DSi zoom lense(thanks for clarifying that up for me, guys) off his DSi and was using it as a telescope. He had it pressed up against his eye and was constantly watching around him with it for awhile. He also had this habit of taking off and putting on his sunglasses within seconds of each other. It seemed like he paid more attention to what was going on around him than what was happening at the concert. At one point, I noticed a girl, who looked like she was probably still in highschool, jump up on the ledge beside Chris to join a group of friends who happened to be stationed behind the manbaby. In the process, Chris turned to her and it looked like he said something to her, because immediately her facial expression changed from a legit happy one to a forced smile one. She joined up with her friends and they immediately huddled up together, whispering about something. At the same time they all looked up at Chris, and laughed. I can only imagine what he had said to the poor girl. A few moments later, one of the guys in the group picked up his cell phone and snapped a picture of Chris from behind. Maybe he's aware of who Chris is and will share his story somewhere. At that point, whether or not Chris realized they were making fun of him, he picked up his stuff and switched seating spots. I chose to take my leave at that point.}}

This time, the troll managed to take a picture of Chris, who appears to be wearing three [[Pokéwalker of Fail|Pokéwalkers of Fail]]. Two are red and white, and a custom painted one is barely visible underneath his arm. He also has what looks like a small bottle of hand sanitizer tucked into his belt. Chris [[The GAMe PLACe|has been known]] to immediately follow up any handshake with using hand sanitizer on himself. Chris is also holding a [[Attraction Sign|small piece of paper]] between his legs in both photographs, proving even further that he hasn't learned a single thing in the past seven years.

Chris's response to this sighting, delusional as always:<ref>[[Jackie E-mails 3]]: E-mails sent around the time of the FAF sightings</ref>
{{quoteboxred|I lured out one last Friday at the Pavillion, obviously. I SHOULD have gone after him in pursuit, but the only plan I had programmed in my head in response is take their picture with my DSi. I have reprogrammed my mind to pursue after lure, yell for a policeman, and have him arrested for Taking Photographs at the Pavillion during Fridays After 5. On their Triangular, Red Column, they have a rules list, which includes, "No Cameras or Videotaping are Permitted". I am positive I'll lure out the same guy from Last Friday; I only got a brief look at his face, but I am positive I'd [[Blanca|recognize him on future sight]].}}

==16 July Sighting==
[[File:Manzone.jpg|thumb|right|Something like this.]]
On 16 July, a different troll managed to spot Chris at the park. While no photos were taken, the description given paints a very...''unusual'' picture.

{{quotebox|This probably isn't a big surprise to anyone, but Chris was also at Fridays After Five on July 16th. No pictures, I'm afraid. He was wearing a bright orange sleeveless shirt with what looked like a beer logo on the back and holding a Budweiser aluminum bottle, a little mini fan made to look like an iPod, and a hula hoop for some reason. Most importantly he had a sort of basic attraction sign with him, nothing elaborate or directly sexual but it said something like "Friendly and Flirty Man Zone" or something similar to that and with more smaller text under that I couldn't make out. He was sitting on the back grass part and left a few minutes before the music was over. I would have loved to catch Chris's attempts at using the hula hoop, I bet that was funny as hell.}}

While the initial footage from June introduced the "WANT WOMAN!" bra as a sort of makeshift attraction sign, the most recent sighting reports a full-fledged return of an actual [[attraction sign]], albeit a very basic one.

The hula hoop is more puzzling. It's entirely possible that Chris brought it to add to the dance moves seen on this very page, but given Chris's [[Sonichu's Edge|abysmally low stamina]], [[obesity|corpulent physique]], and total lack of coordination or dancing ability, this seems like a very unusual choice. Another theory is that he used it to mark the boundaries of his "Friendly and Flirty Man Zone". He can be seen at the end of one of the videos "dancing", apparently looking at and drifting towards a girl using two hula hoops near the stage; whether this inspired him to bring one himself or not is a matter of speculation.

==Gallery==
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<center>
<gallery>
File:100 0669.JPG|The return of the King.
File:100 0670.JPG|[[100 2178|All alone.]]
File:100 0671.JPG|Preparing to put the moves on a [[gal-pal]]
File:100 0673.JPG|The gal-pal's gone...
File:100 0674.JPG|Oh! Potential new gal-pals!
File:100 0676.JPG|Creepy...
File:100 0677.JPG|...fucking...
File:100 0678.JPG|...scene.
File:100 0681.JPG|Eventually, an urgent need to [[Flipnote Hatena|DRAW SOME SHIT]] prevails.
File:100 0682.JPG|Chris enjoying the real world. Also, DAT ASSCRACK.
File:100 0683.JPG|Chris has a deep conversation with an eight-year-old.
File:100 0693.JPG|A wide shot.
File:100 0694.JPG|A close-up of Chris. Notice that he hasn't bothered to fully remove his shirt.
File:100 0695.JPG|Chris showing off his muscular bosom.
File:100 0696.JPG|LOOK AT THAT GUT, GODDAMN!!!
File:100_0697.JPG|Chris trying to look sexy for Da Ladies.
File:Fridayafterplan.png|CWC's Plan B
File:FAF-06092010.jpg|From autistic trucker to dorkish plumber.
File:WantMan.jpg|CWC's [[Homos|Plan C]]
File:Hulahoop.png|Chris and the hula hoop.
</gallery>
</center>

==See also==
* [[Flipnote Hatena]]
* [[Love Quest]]
* [[Rollin' and Trollin'|"Rollin' and Trollin'"]]
* [[Pedofork]]

==External links==
* [http://www.mediafire.com/?nkhrmmtjymg Download the Videos]
* [http://www.charlottesvillepavilion.com/fridaysafterfive/ Fridays After Five at the Charlottesville Pavilion]

== Sources ==
<references />

[[Category:Social life]]
[[Category:Outdoor videos]]
[[Category:Chris-chan videos, June 2010| 2010-06-18]]
[[Category:Field agent videos| 2010-06-18]]
[[Category:Eyewitness Accounts]]

Talk:Chris and money

2012-05-27T20:36:40Z

Trip2themoon: /* His Financial Future. */

==To do==
Get citations, add things he's said (there's at least one Mumble chat where Clyde confronts Chris about his finances), etc. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:44, 7 July 2009 (CEST)

We need media, pictures of receipts, recordings of money questions, etc. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:39, 7 July 2009 (CEST)

Could somebody add something about CWCville's "Homeless" shelters? It's fucking stupid in many ways, but it really showcases that Chris thinks money just falls out of thin air.--[[User:Sonichuistehcool|Sonichuistehcool]] 23:08, 22 December 2009 (CET)

Not just that there's 10 of them, but they're absolutely huge and very well supplied. In [[Mailbag 20]] he gives them the kind of stature a 3-star restaurant have.--[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:48, 23 December 2009 (CET)

==Monthly tugboat==

Braingasm: We merge this with Monthly Tugboat, and have redirect here. Chris and money should cover his source of cash as well as his use of it [[User:Jump|Jump]] 05:06, 7 July 2009 (CEST)

I believe the idea was to shorten the [[monthly tugboat]] page down to just a definition (as one of the many CWC-ism entries) and then to expand upon Chris and money in general here. [[User:Llort|Llort]] 05:31, 7 July 2009 (CEST)

Excellent idea. I love the "Chris And ..." series of articles and the "Monthly Tugboat" is short enough to fill a nice section. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 23:17, 22 December 2009 (CET)

==Sony and credit==
The PSP saga begs to be explained, also the Credit Card story is very vague and probably would best be explained through clear citations

==C W C Quarters==

Wait. There are 2 types of C quarters? --[[User:Rye|Rye]] 11:33, 19 November 2009
:Chris apparently assigned different monetary values to his first and last initial.
:The fact that his first and last initial are both C, and the fact that assigning two values to the same coin is the stupidest idea ever apparently did not occur to him. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 21:14, 19 November 2009 (CET)
::How silly. --[[User:Rye|Rye]] 12:30, 19 November 2009
:::It gets better. Chris apparently had a "divine inspiration" moment when he thought up C and W quarters. He figured that in the Sonichu game, a C-quarter would be like a ring, and a W-quarter would be ten rings. Which means that C-"quarters" are the equivalent of either pennies or dimes and W-"quarters" are either dollars, dimes, or in fact quarters to a denomination that's doled out in units of .40 lesser currency. And C-"quarters" are tiny slivers of easily-lost metal with pointy ends. They are a favorite of mine since they are so unbelievably, outstandingly idiotic. [[User:Ensign disposable|Ensign disposable]] 21:37, 19 November 2009 (CET)
::::Yeah, I was thinking about how stupid having a C or W shaped coin is. It's rather retarded, but then again this IS Chris we're talking about. How are you supposed to tell the difference between the first type of C quarter and the second? Has he ever explained this? --[[User:Rye|Rye]] 17:18, 19 November 2009
:::::I like to think of it as simply that there are W quarters and C quarters, and if 10W=C and 10C=W therefore 100C = C therefore C = 0 therefore W = 0, therefore his money is worthless. Makes perfect sense. [[User:Insidious611|Insidious611]] 05:39, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

==Rugby Shirts==
I've seen it mentioned in a few places that Chris gets his clown shirts from the Goodwill, but is there a citation for this? Has he given a rationale? We also still need cites for the credit card thing. --[[User:Sonichuis44|sonichuis44]] 08:47, 29 November 2009 (CET)
* Here: [[Chris_Chan_Q%26A_27_October_2008]] --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 09:54, 29 November 2009 (CET)

==Last paragraph==
The last paragraph in the article is rather underwhelming; Editor B points out that Editor A was an idiot for thinking that some response from Chris in Mailbag 45 meant something. Requesting permission to take out this paragraph, as it is not particularly relevant, as Editor B points out, and is a rather shitty ending to an otherwise decent article. [[User:Thelieisacake|Thelieisacake]] 06:53, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== SNAP ==

What is the sauce on the food stamps thing?[[User:Popobawa|Popobawa]] 20:14, 6 May 2010 (UTC)

==just wondering==
1. Could chris' tugboat get taken away if they(the appropriate government office) knew what he was doing with it? 
2. Is that something worth doing?
forgive me if this has been discussed before elsewhere. --[[User:Hellion|masta beta alum]] 23:57, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
:This was debated again and again in multiple community interested in Chris. Here's the sad answer; the tugboat is going nowhere. To remove the tugboat, not only you will have to prove that Chris is not autistic (there's ample, medical documents regarding this) but you will need to ask to the bureaucracy to accept they were wrong. So, even with the best intentions and documentation, it can take years if it's not impossible. The way Chris spend the money is not of their concern. I bet they expect such attitude from the barely-functionning part of the spectrum. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 01:20, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

true. thx --[[User:Hellion|masta beta alum]] 09:25, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

== Soup Hotels for real? ==

Just saw this after someone edited the page. http://leoweekly.com/news/left-wayside I guess the government really does have money to burn for Chris's dumbass ideas. [[User:LAG4U|LAG4U]] 06:09, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
* Well, that's not the government, that's a church group working together with some nonprofit organizations. Read the article and you'll find out that the city is kinda pissed about it. --[[User:Schuzrum-dias|Schuzrum Dias]] 06:36, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
* Well as long as the church and nonprofit organizations are involved, I guess it's alright. But the day that 30 story tall CWC approved soup hotels arrive in America, I'm moving to Canada. [[User:LAG4U|LAG4U]] 16:21, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
* Here is what I can tell you about Hotel Louisville: It used to be a Holiday Inn, but had been vacant ever since I moved back home nearly three ago. The building has 12 stories, and they also offer lodging to travelers starting at $49/night. There is also space for a restaurant on the ground floor, but I'm not sure if that's being used or not. Finally, something to make Chrissy happy: It's across from the McDonald's on 2nd & Broadway. That said, a lot of homeless (who would not be allowed into the hotel, judging by the article I linked) hang out there, so make of that what you will. And there you go. [[User:LadyCameron|LadyCameron]] 00:03, 30 July 2010 (UTC)
* It looks like the poster immediately above me did not read the story. That hotel is ran by a non-profit and appears to be an initiative that keeps homeless families and their children off the streets. I don't think it should be included in this article. Especially considering the absurdity that is Chris. Federal Welfare spending is a very small expense in the grand scheme of things. Chris is far from the norm of the normal SSI recipient. Including a non-profit organization, painting the idea as "terrible" and than including a link to the non-profit is not cool IMO. And for the record, many city governments operate buildings that house homeless and low income families. They just do not call them hotels... [[User:815sox|815sox]] 07:54, 30 August 2011 (PDT)

== Chris's Rent? ==

Any word on what has happened to the part of the Tugboat taken to pay for rent and credit card debt since Bob's passing? I kind of got the feeling that Bob was the one to make sure Chris paid for all that stuff. I'm not sure if Barb would be up to keeping a thumb on Chris like that, especially when they're dealing with the court stuff. If not, he would have a shit ton of spending money, at least a lot more than before. --[[User:Violettheory|Violettheory]] 20:23, 2 May 2012 (PDT)

== His Financial Future. ==

Would a section on the financial future of Chris be worth adding since Barb can't have much more then 5 years left in her? Chris being the uncaring fuck that he is will probably be thinking about all the games he can buy with the resale of the house and use some of that money to rent a place, but Chris's half siblings may have a claim to whatever the house is worth and could even kick his lazy arse out when the time comes. His financial future is only speculative but may be relevant to this section.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 13:36, 27 May 2012 (PDT)

Talk:Chris and money

2012-05-27T20:36:20Z

Trip2themoon: /* His Financial Future. */ new section

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-27T16:13:24Z

Trip2themoon: /* Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. */

==To do==
*Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

== BETTER TO DO ==
The origins are explained in the BlueSpike Skype log...somewhere. just...look for it. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:14, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:Done, Cash Sifu. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:29, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

----

Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --[[User:Wild Sonichu|Wild Sonichu]] 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

==Disambiguation==
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

==$800,$750?==

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
*The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
*The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==State or federal?==
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? [[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
*It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
:*It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== On Advice of Bob? ==

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --[[User:El Presidente|El Presidente]] 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== This is bullshit ==

NOT. A. FORUM. --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
: Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- [[User:Ashki|Ashki]]
:: There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms? ==

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
: Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
::Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

:::Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::::Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::::There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

:I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

== Just to clarify ==

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's '''Supplemental Security Income (SSI)''', the $800 or so he receives monthly. '''Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)''' is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

:::Of course, now with the Jackie emails, things are confused again. Chris referred to his tugboat exclusively as SSI, but that's not something he would have had to use Bob's social security record to get, merely proof of his own lack of income/assets. It's good news for the "sink the tugboat" crowd if he's telling the truth, though; it's a lot easier to lose SSI benefits than SSDI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 09:45, 9 November 2010 (PST)

::::*I think a lot of people get hung up over Bob's involvement when, in my case, they shouldn't be. I think when Chris comments on how Bob "pulled some strings" he was doing so to sound important, not because Bob did something shady (though I won't rule out the possibility). But this does bring up a good point, as I personally wasn't aware that SSI was also for disabled people. I thought SSI was regular social security, that is for those over 65, and SSDI was for the disabled but Wikipedia has proved me wrong. Has Chris said it's SSI? It would be safer to go with what Chris says. Find sources for that and add a note that it could be SSDI. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:34, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

:::::*Dkain is correct. It's SSIDI (Supplemental Security Income for Disabled and some other shit that starts with an "I"). It's a program for disabled children of qualifying parents. Obstensibly it's money Bob paid into the system when he was drawing a paycheck (via FICA tax); in reality the payout ends up being more than what was paid in because of annual cost-of-living increases and the initial settlement. $800 is a common monthly amount and is pretty much the low end of the totem pole, but Medicare is included and the income is non-taxable. The beneficiary (in this case, Chris) is reviewed every 3 to 5 years to re-qualify -- there's little chance that Chris would be cut off, because if he ain't a hopeless nutjob, who is?

::::::I get SSDI, (Social Security Disability Income) which is different -- basically it's what Bob would qualify for. (I'm older than all you punx but not of retirement age thx, plus ''I have all my hair.'') I paid into the system for twenty years and don't feel bad about getting some of it back. It kind of blows getting by on what they hand out (I was making a tidy six figures before I got sick) and I'm about to nuke the whole thing by getting a j.o.b., but it was sure a leg up. Plus I have these groovy license plates. I was denied twice and had to appeal three times, it took about two years to do. The case worker came to see me while I was in the ICU once and I still got turned down. There's a thing called "ticket to work" that lets you make some outside income, but I could never get a straight answer about how much you can make before they cut you off so I didn't take the gig -- losing Medicare would have made things very iffy. Fun, but of a mild type.

::::::One more clarification (Champ, accept my apologies and feel free to toast all this if I'm getting too forum-y) SSDI is paid on the 3rd of the month, supposedly at 12 AM unless the 3rd falls on a weekend or holiday when it gets bumped up a day or two. Ferexample, since the 3rd of this month (July '11) is a Sunday, benefits were paid on the night of Thursday May 31st (formally, midnight Friday morning). Most banks will let you take an (up to) one-month advance against a direct deposit, usually at a horrendous interest rate (Wells Fargo and B of A charge 120% IIRC) -- Chris could use this credit line on the sly without Bob knowing until the next month. It'd be interesting to know if he has done so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

::::::Medicare is Federal and parts A, B, and D (doctor, hospital, prescription) come with SSDI. Being awarded SSDI qualifies you for Medic''aid'', which is optional and administered by the state. Medicaid takes care of the co-pays, but you have to pay a stiffish premium. It's also of course not deducted from your (Federal) benefits, you have to pay it yourself. (In my case, the Medicaid premium was over a thousand bucks a month but I was facing surgery where the co-pay alone would have been over $100K.) Reading between the lines, Chris doesn't seem to have Medicaid, probably a case of Bob being cheap and Chris' medical expenses not amounting to much anyway. - [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 09:04, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

== One thing I've been dying to know... ==

Why exactly is Chris villainized for spending a portion of his money on whatever he wants? This is the one and only thing I'll defend him on, because I'm currently on disability myself {with no job thanks to my old job being closed down last year and no local businesses hiring anymore}, and I don't appreciate people on such a program being called "welfare leeches" or being accused of stealing and/or wasting taxpayer money because they had ''the nerve'' to spend their share of it on video games or whatever. [[User:TheSwedishElf|TheSwedishElf]] 12:16, 22 January 2012 (PST)

I suppose because there's a feeling that he could get a job of some sort, but he just prefers to stay on welfare all his life because it's easier. Also, he has claimed that it's "a stepping-stone in the right direction of [him] moving out" and generally to help him towards becoming a functioning person, but he never spends it on any kind of treatment or training, just entertainment. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (PST)
* Unfortunately, this is something that should have been taken to the Forum, not something that's discussed here. What I will say though is this: Chris isn't made fun of because he spends "a portion" of his money; he spends a MAJORITY of his tugboat on video games, consoles, and his blow-up dolls. MOST individuals on a fixed income would save, Chris has never had much in his savings, he's even gone "in the red" multiple times because of his buying binges. He's also claimed that he gets this "free money" because God WANTS him to not have to work 'yet' (refer to Kacey Emails and Jackie Emails). It's the principal of the thing more than anything. If he spent maybe $40 a month on a game, he'd be fine; but he spends HUNDREDS a month on things that aren't necessary to survive. THAT'S why he gets so much hate...in a nutshell. There are other reasons, but again, that's for the forums. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:12, 22 January 2012 (PST)

@ Swedish Elf.
I'd never begrudge anyone with a genuine disability their national benefits but if you are nothing but a fat, lazy waste of space then you should be forced to get a job. My Dad has MS and is on Disability Living Allowance. He works 2 hours a day as an in the home carer. As it's only 10 hours per week he is allowed to do this without any affect on his benefits. My Dad has a debilitating illness is willing to work when he can but Chris who is a young man with nothing wrong with him other than being a fat, lazy perverted cunt should not receive a penny in benefit money. I'm all for grassing him up for benefit fraud.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:17, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

== Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. ==

The title I've given this comment is from a 1990s public ad campaign for anonymous tip offs for people you believe to be cheating our national benefits system. I was wondering if such a thing existed in the US. I believe Chris to be the biggest benefit fraudster I've ever came across and he deserves the immediate cessation of all his benefit money. Millions starve as this fat waster gets even fatter but there is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting a job. Apart from being a fucking idiot I don't see why he shouldn't have to work. Now I'm no doctor but AFAIK being a fucking idiot is not a disability. I'd gladly be the one who reports him for his benefit fraud. In America if you are found to be a benefit cheat would you have to pay all ill-gotten monies back? That's how it works here in the UK. The thought of Chris working until retirement age paying all that money back makes me happy.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:05, 25 May 2012 (PDT)
:Cool story. Talk pages should be for improving the article itself, though. I'm sure [http://www.789chan.org/cwc/ these guys] would be willing to hear your story and discuss this with you. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 18:39, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

Thanks for the link. I just put the message up there. [[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 09:13, 27 May 2012 (PDT)

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-25T18:20:22Z

Trip2themoon: /* One thing I've been dying to know... */

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-25T18:19:32Z

Trip2themoon: /* One thing I've been dying to know... */

==To do==
*Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

== BETTER TO DO ==
The origins are explained in the BlueSpike Skype log...somewhere. just...look for it. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:14, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:Done, Cash Sifu. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:29, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

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Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --[[User:Wild Sonichu|Wild Sonichu]] 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

==Disambiguation==
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

==$800,$750?==

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
*The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
*The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==State or federal?==
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? [[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
*It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
:*It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== On Advice of Bob? ==

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --[[User:El Presidente|El Presidente]] 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== This is bullshit ==

NOT. A. FORUM. --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
: Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- [[User:Ashki|Ashki]]
:: There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms? ==

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
: Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
::Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

:::Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::::Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::::There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

:I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

== Just to clarify ==

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's '''Supplemental Security Income (SSI)''', the $800 or so he receives monthly. '''Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)''' is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

:::Of course, now with the Jackie emails, things are confused again. Chris referred to his tugboat exclusively as SSI, but that's not something he would have had to use Bob's social security record to get, merely proof of his own lack of income/assets. It's good news for the "sink the tugboat" crowd if he's telling the truth, though; it's a lot easier to lose SSI benefits than SSDI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 09:45, 9 November 2010 (PST)

::::*I think a lot of people get hung up over Bob's involvement when, in my case, they shouldn't be. I think when Chris comments on how Bob "pulled some strings" he was doing so to sound important, not because Bob did something shady (though I won't rule out the possibility). But this does bring up a good point, as I personally wasn't aware that SSI was also for disabled people. I thought SSI was regular social security, that is for those over 65, and SSDI was for the disabled but Wikipedia has proved me wrong. Has Chris said it's SSI? It would be safer to go with what Chris says. Find sources for that and add a note that it could be SSDI. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:34, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

:::::*Dkain is correct. It's SSIDI (Supplemental Security Income for Disabled and some other shit that starts with an "I"). It's a program for disabled children of qualifying parents. Obstensibly it's money Bob paid into the system when he was drawing a paycheck (via FICA tax); in reality the payout ends up being more than what was paid in because of annual cost-of-living increases and the initial settlement. $800 is a common monthly amount and is pretty much the low end of the totem pole, but Medicare is included and the income is non-taxable. The beneficiary (in this case, Chris) is reviewed every 3 to 5 years to re-qualify -- there's little chance that Chris would be cut off, because if he ain't a hopeless nutjob, who is?

::::::I get SSDI, (Social Security Disability Income) which is different -- basically it's what Bob would qualify for. (I'm older than all you punx but not of retirement age thx, plus ''I have all my hair.'') I paid into the system for twenty years and don't feel bad about getting some of it back. It kind of blows getting by on what they hand out (I was making a tidy six figures before I got sick) and I'm about to nuke the whole thing by getting a j.o.b., but it was sure a leg up. Plus I have these groovy license plates. I was denied twice and had to appeal three times, it took about two years to do. The case worker came to see me while I was in the ICU once and I still got turned down. There's a thing called "ticket to work" that lets you make some outside income, but I could never get a straight answer about how much you can make before they cut you off so I didn't take the gig -- losing Medicare would have made things very iffy. Fun, but of a mild type.

::::::One more clarification (Champ, accept my apologies and feel free to toast all this if I'm getting too forum-y) SSDI is paid on the 3rd of the month, supposedly at 12 AM unless the 3rd falls on a weekend or holiday when it gets bumped up a day or two. Ferexample, since the 3rd of this month (July '11) is a Sunday, benefits were paid on the night of Thursday May 31st (formally, midnight Friday morning). Most banks will let you take an (up to) one-month advance against a direct deposit, usually at a horrendous interest rate (Wells Fargo and B of A charge 120% IIRC) -- Chris could use this credit line on the sly without Bob knowing until the next month. It'd be interesting to know if he has done so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

::::::Medicare is Federal and parts A, B, and D (doctor, hospital, prescription) come with SSDI. Being awarded SSDI qualifies you for Medic''aid'', which is optional and administered by the state. Medicaid takes care of the co-pays, but you have to pay a stiffish premium. It's also of course not deducted from your (Federal) benefits, you have to pay it yourself. (In my case, the Medicaid premium was over a thousand bucks a month but I was facing surgery where the co-pay alone would have been over $100K.) Reading between the lines, Chris doesn't seem to have Medicaid, probably a case of Bob being cheap and Chris' medical expenses not amounting to much anyway. - [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 09:04, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

== One thing I've been dying to know... ==

Why exactly is Chris villainized for spending a portion of his money on whatever he wants? This is the one and only thing I'll defend him on, because I'm currently on disability myself {with no job thanks to my old job being closed down last year and no local businesses hiring anymore}, and I don't appreciate people on such a program being called "welfare leeches" or being accused of stealing and/or wasting taxpayer money because they had ''the nerve'' to spend their share of it on video games or whatever. [[User:TheSwedishElf|TheSwedishElf]] 12:16, 22 January 2012 (PST)

I suppose because there's a feeling that he could get a job of some sort, but he just prefers to stay on welfare all his life because it's easier. Also, he has claimed that it's "a stepping-stone in the right direction of [him] moving out" and generally to help him towards becoming a functioning person, but he never spends it on any kind of treatment or training, just entertainment. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (PST)
* Unfortunately, this is something that should have been taken to the Forum, not something that's discussed here. What I will say though is this: Chris isn't made fun of because he spends "a portion" of his money; he spends a MAJORITY of his tugboat on video games, consoles, and his blow-up dolls. MOST individuals on a fixed income would save, Chris has never had much in his savings, he's even gone "in the red" multiple times because of his buying binges. He's also claimed that he gets this "free money" because God WANTS him to not have to work 'yet' (refer to Kacey Emails and Jackie Emails). It's the principal of the thing more than anything. If he spent maybe $40 a month on a game, he'd be fine; but he spends HUNDREDS a month on things that aren't necessary to survive. THAT'S why he gets so much hate...in a nutshell. There are other reasons, but again, that's for the forums. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:12, 22 January 2012 (PST)

@ Swedish Elf.
I'd never begrudge anyone with a genuine disability their national benefits but if you are nothing but a fat, lazy waste of space then you should be forced to get a job. My Dad has MS and is on Disability Living Allowance. He works 2 hours a day as an in the home carer. As it's only 10 hours per week he is allowed to do this with any affect on his benefits. My Dad has a debilitating illness is willing to work when he can but Chris who is a young man with nothing wrong with him other than being a fat, lazy perverted cunt should not receive a penny in benefit money. I'm all for grassing him up for benefit fraud.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:17, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

== Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. ==

The title I've given this comment is from a 1990s public ad campaign for anonymous tip offs for people you believe to be cheating our national benefits system. I was wondering if such a thing existed in the US. I believe Chris to be the biggest benefit fraudster I've ever came across and he deserves the immediate cessation of all his benefit money. Millions starve as this fat waster gets even fatter but there is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting a job. Apart from being a fucking idiot I don't see why he shouldn't have to work. Now I'm no doctor but AFAIK being a fucking idiot is not a disability. I'd gladly be the one who reports him for his benefit fraud. In America if you are found to be a benefit cheat would you have to pay all ill-gotten monies back? That's how it works here in the UK. The thought of Chris working until retirement age paying all that money back makes me happy.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:05, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-25T18:18:15Z

Trip2themoon: /* One thing I've been dying to know... */

==To do==
*Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

== BETTER TO DO ==
The origins are explained in the BlueSpike Skype log...somewhere. just...look for it. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:14, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:Done, Cash Sifu. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:29, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

----

Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --[[User:Wild Sonichu|Wild Sonichu]] 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

==Disambiguation==
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

==$800,$750?==

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
*The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
*The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==State or federal?==
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? [[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
*It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
:*It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== On Advice of Bob? ==

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --[[User:El Presidente|El Presidente]] 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== This is bullshit ==

NOT. A. FORUM. --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
: Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- [[User:Ashki|Ashki]]
:: There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms? ==

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
: Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
::Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

:::Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::::Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::::There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

:I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

== Just to clarify ==

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's '''Supplemental Security Income (SSI)''', the $800 or so he receives monthly. '''Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)''' is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

:::Of course, now with the Jackie emails, things are confused again. Chris referred to his tugboat exclusively as SSI, but that's not something he would have had to use Bob's social security record to get, merely proof of his own lack of income/assets. It's good news for the "sink the tugboat" crowd if he's telling the truth, though; it's a lot easier to lose SSI benefits than SSDI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 09:45, 9 November 2010 (PST)

::::*I think a lot of people get hung up over Bob's involvement when, in my case, they shouldn't be. I think when Chris comments on how Bob "pulled some strings" he was doing so to sound important, not because Bob did something shady (though I won't rule out the possibility). But this does bring up a good point, as I personally wasn't aware that SSI was also for disabled people. I thought SSI was regular social security, that is for those over 65, and SSDI was for the disabled but Wikipedia has proved me wrong. Has Chris said it's SSI? It would be safer to go with what Chris says. Find sources for that and add a note that it could be SSDI. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:34, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

:::::*Dkain is correct. It's SSIDI (Supplemental Security Income for Disabled and some other shit that starts with an "I"). It's a program for disabled children of qualifying parents. Obstensibly it's money Bob paid into the system when he was drawing a paycheck (via FICA tax); in reality the payout ends up being more than what was paid in because of annual cost-of-living increases and the initial settlement. $800 is a common monthly amount and is pretty much the low end of the totem pole, but Medicare is included and the income is non-taxable. The beneficiary (in this case, Chris) is reviewed every 3 to 5 years to re-qualify -- there's little chance that Chris would be cut off, because if he ain't a hopeless nutjob, who is?

::::::I get SSDI, (Social Security Disability Income) which is different -- basically it's what Bob would qualify for. (I'm older than all you punx but not of retirement age thx, plus ''I have all my hair.'') I paid into the system for twenty years and don't feel bad about getting some of it back. It kind of blows getting by on what they hand out (I was making a tidy six figures before I got sick) and I'm about to nuke the whole thing by getting a j.o.b., but it was sure a leg up. Plus I have these groovy license plates. I was denied twice and had to appeal three times, it took about two years to do. The case worker came to see me while I was in the ICU once and I still got turned down. There's a thing called "ticket to work" that lets you make some outside income, but I could never get a straight answer about how much you can make before they cut you off so I didn't take the gig -- losing Medicare would have made things very iffy. Fun, but of a mild type.

::::::One more clarification (Champ, accept my apologies and feel free to toast all this if I'm getting too forum-y) SSDI is paid on the 3rd of the month, supposedly at 12 AM unless the 3rd falls on a weekend or holiday when it gets bumped up a day or two. Ferexample, since the 3rd of this month (July '11) is a Sunday, benefits were paid on the night of Thursday May 31st (formally, midnight Friday morning). Most banks will let you take an (up to) one-month advance against a direct deposit, usually at a horrendous interest rate (Wells Fargo and B of A charge 120% IIRC) -- Chris could use this credit line on the sly without Bob knowing until the next month. It'd be interesting to know if he has done so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

::::::Medicare is Federal and parts A, B, and D (doctor, hospital, prescription) come with SSDI. Being awarded SSDI qualifies you for Medic''aid'', which is optional and administered by the state. Medicaid takes care of the co-pays, but you have to pay a stiffish premium. It's also of course not deducted from your (Federal) benefits, you have to pay it yourself. (In my case, the Medicaid premium was over a thousand bucks a month but I was facing surgery where the co-pay alone would have been over $100K.) Reading between the lines, Chris doesn't seem to have Medicaid, probably a case of Bob being cheap and Chris' medical expenses not amounting to much anyway. - [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 09:04, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

== One thing I've been dying to know... ==

Why exactly is Chris villainized for spending a portion of his money on whatever he wants? This is the one and only thing I'll defend him on, because I'm currently on disability myself {with no job thanks to my old job being closed down last year and no local businesses hiring anymore}, and I don't appreciate people on such a program being called "welfare leeches" or being accused of stealing and/or wasting taxpayer money because they had ''the nerve'' to spend their share of it on video games or whatever. [[User:TheSwedishElf|TheSwedishElf]] 12:16, 22 January 2012 (PST)

I suppose because there's a feeling that he could get a job of some sort, but he just prefers to stay on welfare all his life because it's easier. Also, he has claimed that it's "a stepping-stone in the right direction of [him] moving out" and generally to help him towards becoming a functioning person, but he never spends it on any kind of treatment or training, just entertainment. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (PST)
* Unfortunately, this is something that should have been taken to the Forum, not something that's discussed here. What I will say though is this: Chris isn't made fun of because he spends "a portion" of his money; he spends a MAJORITY of his tugboat on video games, consoles, and his blow-up dolls. MOST individuals on a fixed income would save, Chris has never had much in his savings, he's even gone "in the red" multiple times because of his buying binges. He's also claimed that he gets this "free money" because God WANTS him to not have to work 'yet' (refer to Kacey Emails and Jackie Emails). It's the principal of the thing more than anything. If he spent maybe $40 a month on a game, he'd be fine; but he spends HUNDREDS a month on things that aren't necessary to survive. THAT'S why he gets so much hate...in a nutshell. There are other reasons, but again, that's for the forums. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:12, 22 January 2012 (PST)

@ Swedish Elf.
I'd never begrudge anyone with a genuine disability their national benefits but if you are nothing but a fat, lazy waste of space then you should be forced to get a job. My Dad has MS and is on Disability Living Allowance. He works 2 hours a day as an in the home carer. As it's onky 10 hours per week he is allowed to do this with any affect on his benefits. My Dad has a debilitating illness is willing to work when he can but Chris who is a young man with nothing wrong with him other than being a fat, lazy perverted cunt should not receive a penny in benefit money. I'm all for grassing him up for benefit fraud.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:17, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

== Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. ==

The title I've given this comment is from a 1990s public ad campaign for anonymous tip offs for people you believe to be cheating our national benefits system. I was wondering if such a thing existed in the US. I believe Chris to be the biggest benefit fraudster I've ever came across and he deserves the immediate cessation of all his benefit money. Millions starve as this fat waster gets even fatter but there is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting a job. Apart from being a fucking idiot I don't see why he shouldn't have to work. Now I'm no doctor but AFAIK being a fucking idiot is not a disability. I'd gladly be the one who reports him for his benefit fraud. In America if you are found to be a benefit cheat would you have to pay all ill-gotten monies back? That's how it works here in the UK. The thought of Chris working until retirement age paying all that money back makes me happy.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:05, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-25T18:17:47Z

Trip2themoon: /* One thing I've been dying to know... */

==To do==
*Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

== BETTER TO DO ==
The origins are explained in the BlueSpike Skype log...somewhere. just...look for it. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:14, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:Done, Cash Sifu. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:29, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

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Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --[[User:Wild Sonichu|Wild Sonichu]] 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

==Disambiguation==
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

==$800,$750?==

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
*The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
*The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==State or federal?==
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? [[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
*It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
:*It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== On Advice of Bob? ==

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --[[User:El Presidente|El Presidente]] 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== This is bullshit ==

NOT. A. FORUM. --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
: Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- [[User:Ashki|Ashki]]
:: There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms? ==

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
: Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
::Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

:::Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::::Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::::There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

:I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

== Just to clarify ==

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's '''Supplemental Security Income (SSI)''', the $800 or so he receives monthly. '''Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)''' is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

:::Of course, now with the Jackie emails, things are confused again. Chris referred to his tugboat exclusively as SSI, but that's not something he would have had to use Bob's social security record to get, merely proof of his own lack of income/assets. It's good news for the "sink the tugboat" crowd if he's telling the truth, though; it's a lot easier to lose SSI benefits than SSDI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 09:45, 9 November 2010 (PST)

::::*I think a lot of people get hung up over Bob's involvement when, in my case, they shouldn't be. I think when Chris comments on how Bob "pulled some strings" he was doing so to sound important, not because Bob did something shady (though I won't rule out the possibility). But this does bring up a good point, as I personally wasn't aware that SSI was also for disabled people. I thought SSI was regular social security, that is for those over 65, and SSDI was for the disabled but Wikipedia has proved me wrong. Has Chris said it's SSI? It would be safer to go with what Chris says. Find sources for that and add a note that it could be SSDI. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:34, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

:::::*Dkain is correct. It's SSIDI (Supplemental Security Income for Disabled and some other shit that starts with an "I"). It's a program for disabled children of qualifying parents. Obstensibly it's money Bob paid into the system when he was drawing a paycheck (via FICA tax); in reality the payout ends up being more than what was paid in because of annual cost-of-living increases and the initial settlement. $800 is a common monthly amount and is pretty much the low end of the totem pole, but Medicare is included and the income is non-taxable. The beneficiary (in this case, Chris) is reviewed every 3 to 5 years to re-qualify -- there's little chance that Chris would be cut off, because if he ain't a hopeless nutjob, who is?

::::::I get SSDI, (Social Security Disability Income) which is different -- basically it's what Bob would qualify for. (I'm older than all you punx but not of retirement age thx, plus ''I have all my hair.'') I paid into the system for twenty years and don't feel bad about getting some of it back. It kind of blows getting by on what they hand out (I was making a tidy six figures before I got sick) and I'm about to nuke the whole thing by getting a j.o.b., but it was sure a leg up. Plus I have these groovy license plates. I was denied twice and had to appeal three times, it took about two years to do. The case worker came to see me while I was in the ICU once and I still got turned down. There's a thing called "ticket to work" that lets you make some outside income, but I could never get a straight answer about how much you can make before they cut you off so I didn't take the gig -- losing Medicare would have made things very iffy. Fun, but of a mild type.

::::::One more clarification (Champ, accept my apologies and feel free to toast all this if I'm getting too forum-y) SSDI is paid on the 3rd of the month, supposedly at 12 AM unless the 3rd falls on a weekend or holiday when it gets bumped up a day or two. Ferexample, since the 3rd of this month (July '11) is a Sunday, benefits were paid on the night of Thursday May 31st (formally, midnight Friday morning). Most banks will let you take an (up to) one-month advance against a direct deposit, usually at a horrendous interest rate (Wells Fargo and B of A charge 120% IIRC) -- Chris could use this credit line on the sly without Bob knowing until the next month. It'd be interesting to know if he has done so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

::::::Medicare is Federal and parts A, B, and D (doctor, hospital, prescription) come with SSDI. Being awarded SSDI qualifies you for Medic''aid'', which is optional and administered by the state. Medicaid takes care of the co-pays, but you have to pay a stiffish premium. It's also of course not deducted from your (Federal) benefits, you have to pay it yourself. (In my case, the Medicaid premium was over a thousand bucks a month but I was facing surgery where the co-pay alone would have been over $100K.) Reading between the lines, Chris doesn't seem to have Medicaid, probably a case of Bob being cheap and Chris' medical expenses not amounting to much anyway. - [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 09:04, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

== One thing I've been dying to know... ==

Why exactly is Chris villainized for spending a portion of his money on whatever he wants? This is the one and only thing I'll defend him on, because I'm currently on disability myself {with no job thanks to my old job being closed down last year and no local businesses hiring anymore}, and I don't appreciate people on such a program being called "welfare leeches" or being accused of stealing and/or wasting taxpayer money because they had ''the nerve'' to spend their share of it on video games or whatever. [[User:TheSwedishElf|TheSwedishElf]] 12:16, 22 January 2012 (PST)

I suppose because there's a feeling that he could get a job of some sort, but he just prefers to stay on welfare all his life because it's easier. Also, he has claimed that it's "a stepping-stone in the right direction of [him] moving out" and generally to help him towards becoming a functioning person, but he never spends it on any kind of treatment or training, just entertainment. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (PST)
* Unfortunately, this is something that should have been taken to the Forum, not something that's discussed here. What I will say though is this: Chris isn't made fun of because he spends "a portion" of his money; he spends a MAJORITY of his tugboat on video games, consoles, and his blow-up dolls. MOST individuals on a fixed income would save, Chris has never had much in his savings, he's even gone "in the red" multiple times because of his buying binges. He's also claimed that he gets this "free money" because God WANTS him to not have to work 'yet' (refer to Kacey Emails and Jackie Emails). It's the principal of the thing more than anything. If he spent maybe $40 a month on a game, he'd be fine; but he spends HUNDREDS a month on things that aren't necessary to survive. THAT'S why he gets so much hate...in a nutshell. There are other reasons, but again, that's for the forums. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:12, 22 January 2012 (PST)

@ Swedish Elf.
I'd never begrudge anyone with a genuine disability their nation benefits but if you are nothing but a fat, lazy waste of space then you should be forced to get a job. My Dad has MS and is on Disability Living Allowance. He works 2 hours a day as an in the home carer. As it's onky 10 hours per week he is allowed to do this with any affect on his benefits. My Dad has a debilitating illness is willing to work when he can but Chris who is a young man with nothing wrong with him other than being a fat, lazy perverted cunt should not receive a penny in benefit money. I'm all for grassing him up for benefit fraud.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:17, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

== Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. ==

The title I've given this comment is from a 1990s public ad campaign for anonymous tip offs for people you believe to be cheating our national benefits system. I was wondering if such a thing existed in the US. I believe Chris to be the biggest benefit fraudster I've ever came across and he deserves the immediate cessation of all his benefit money. Millions starve as this fat waster gets even fatter but there is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting a job. Apart from being a fucking idiot I don't see why he shouldn't have to work. Now I'm no doctor but AFAIK being a fucking idiot is not a disability. I'd gladly be the one who reports him for his benefit fraud. In America if you are found to be a benefit cheat would you have to pay all ill-gotten monies back? That's how it works here in the UK. The thought of Chris working until retirement age paying all that money back makes me happy.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:05, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-25T18:08:27Z

Trip2themoon: /* Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. */

==To do==
*Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

== BETTER TO DO ==
The origins are explained in the BlueSpike Skype log...somewhere. just...look for it. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:14, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:Done, Cash Sifu. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:29, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

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Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --[[User:Wild Sonichu|Wild Sonichu]] 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

==Disambiguation==
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

==$800,$750?==

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
*The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
*The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==State or federal?==
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? [[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
*It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
:*It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== On Advice of Bob? ==

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --[[User:El Presidente|El Presidente]] 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== This is bullshit ==

NOT. A. FORUM. --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
: Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- [[User:Ashki|Ashki]]
:: There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms? ==

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
: Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
::Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

:::Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::::Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::::There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

:I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

== Just to clarify ==

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's '''Supplemental Security Income (SSI)''', the $800 or so he receives monthly. '''Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)''' is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

:::Of course, now with the Jackie emails, things are confused again. Chris referred to his tugboat exclusively as SSI, but that's not something he would have had to use Bob's social security record to get, merely proof of his own lack of income/assets. It's good news for the "sink the tugboat" crowd if he's telling the truth, though; it's a lot easier to lose SSI benefits than SSDI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 09:45, 9 November 2010 (PST)

::::*I think a lot of people get hung up over Bob's involvement when, in my case, they shouldn't be. I think when Chris comments on how Bob "pulled some strings" he was doing so to sound important, not because Bob did something shady (though I won't rule out the possibility). But this does bring up a good point, as I personally wasn't aware that SSI was also for disabled people. I thought SSI was regular social security, that is for those over 65, and SSDI was for the disabled but Wikipedia has proved me wrong. Has Chris said it's SSI? It would be safer to go with what Chris says. Find sources for that and add a note that it could be SSDI. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:34, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

:::::*Dkain is correct. It's SSIDI (Supplemental Security Income for Disabled and some other shit that starts with an "I"). It's a program for disabled children of qualifying parents. Obstensibly it's money Bob paid into the system when he was drawing a paycheck (via FICA tax); in reality the payout ends up being more than what was paid in because of annual cost-of-living increases and the initial settlement. $800 is a common monthly amount and is pretty much the low end of the totem pole, but Medicare is included and the income is non-taxable. The beneficiary (in this case, Chris) is reviewed every 3 to 5 years to re-qualify -- there's little chance that Chris would be cut off, because if he ain't a hopeless nutjob, who is?

::::::I get SSDI, (Social Security Disability Income) which is different -- basically it's what Bob would qualify for. (I'm older than all you punx but not of retirement age thx, plus ''I have all my hair.'') I paid into the system for twenty years and don't feel bad about getting some of it back. It kind of blows getting by on what they hand out (I was making a tidy six figures before I got sick) and I'm about to nuke the whole thing by getting a j.o.b., but it was sure a leg up. Plus I have these groovy license plates. I was denied twice and had to appeal three times, it took about two years to do. The case worker came to see me while I was in the ICU once and I still got turned down. There's a thing called "ticket to work" that lets you make some outside income, but I could never get a straight answer about how much you can make before they cut you off so I didn't take the gig -- losing Medicare would have made things very iffy. Fun, but of a mild type.

::::::One more clarification (Champ, accept my apologies and feel free to toast all this if I'm getting too forum-y) SSDI is paid on the 3rd of the month, supposedly at 12 AM unless the 3rd falls on a weekend or holiday when it gets bumped up a day or two. Ferexample, since the 3rd of this month (July '11) is a Sunday, benefits were paid on the night of Thursday May 31st (formally, midnight Friday morning). Most banks will let you take an (up to) one-month advance against a direct deposit, usually at a horrendous interest rate (Wells Fargo and B of A charge 120% IIRC) -- Chris could use this credit line on the sly without Bob knowing until the next month. It'd be interesting to know if he has done so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

::::::Medicare is Federal and parts A, B, and D (doctor, hospital, prescription) come with SSDI. Being awarded SSDI qualifies you for Medic''aid'', which is optional and administered by the state. Medicaid takes care of the co-pays, but you have to pay a stiffish premium. It's also of course not deducted from your (Federal) benefits, you have to pay it yourself. (In my case, the Medicaid premium was over a thousand bucks a month but I was facing surgery where the co-pay alone would have been over $100K.) Reading between the lines, Chris doesn't seem to have Medicaid, probably a case of Bob being cheap and Chris' medical expenses not amounting to much anyway. - [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 09:04, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

== One thing I've been dying to know... ==

Why exactly is Chris villainized for spending a portion of his money on whatever he wants? This is the one and only thing I'll defend him on, because I'm currently on disability myself {with no job thanks to my old job being closed down last year and no local businesses hiring anymore}, and I don't appreciate people on such a program being called "welfare leeches" or being accused of stealing and/or wasting taxpayer money because they had ''the nerve'' to spend their share of it on video games or whatever. [[User:TheSwedishElf|TheSwedishElf]] 12:16, 22 January 2012 (PST)

I suppose because there's a feeling that he could get a job of some sort, but he just prefers to stay on welfare all his life because it's easier. Also, he has claimed that it's "a stepping-stone in the right direction of [him] moving out" and generally to help him towards becoming a functioning person, but he never spends it on any kind of treatment or training, just entertainment. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (PST)
* Unfortunately, this is something that should have been taken to the Forum, not something that's discussed here. What I will say though is this: Chris isn't made fun of because he spends "a portion" of his money; he spends a MAJORITY of his tugboat on video games, consoles, and his blow-up dolls. MOST individuals on a fixed income would save, Chris has never had much in his savings, he's even gone "in the red" multiple times because of his buying binges. He's also claimed that he gets this "free money" because God WANTS him to not have to work 'yet' (refer to Kacey Emails and Jackie Emails). It's the principal of the thing more than anything. If he spent maybe $40 a month on a game, he'd be fine; but he spends HUNDREDS a month on things that aren't necessary to survive. THAT'S why he gets so much hate...in a nutshell. There are other reasons, but again, that's for the forums. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:12, 22 January 2012 (PST)

== Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. ==

The title I've given this comment is from a 1990s public ad campaign for anonymous tip offs for people you believe to be cheating our national benefits system. I was wondering if such a thing existed in the US. I believe Chris to be the biggest benefit fraudster I've ever came across and he deserves the immediate cessation of all his benefit money. Millions starve as this fat waster gets even fatter but there is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting a job. Apart from being a fucking idiot I don't see why he shouldn't have to work. Now I'm no doctor but AFAIK being a fucking idiot is not a disability. I'd gladly be the one who reports him for his benefit fraud. In America if you are found to be a benefit cheat would you have to pay all ill-gotten monies back? That's how it works here in the UK. The thought of Chris working until retirement age paying all that money back makes me happy.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:05, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-25T18:06:09Z

Trip2themoon: /* Know of a benefit rip off? The give us a telephone tip off. */

==To do==
*Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

== BETTER TO DO ==
The origins are explained in the BlueSpike Skype log...somewhere. just...look for it. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:14, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:Done, Cash Sifu. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:29, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

----

Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --[[User:Wild Sonichu|Wild Sonichu]] 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

==Disambiguation==
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

==$800,$750?==

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
*The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
*The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==State or federal?==
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? [[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
*It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
:*It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== On Advice of Bob? ==

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --[[User:El Presidente|El Presidente]] 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== This is bullshit ==

NOT. A. FORUM. --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
: Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- [[User:Ashki|Ashki]]
:: There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms? ==

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
: Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
::Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

:::Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::::Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::::There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

:I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

== Just to clarify ==

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's '''Supplemental Security Income (SSI)''', the $800 or so he receives monthly. '''Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)''' is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

:::Of course, now with the Jackie emails, things are confused again. Chris referred to his tugboat exclusively as SSI, but that's not something he would have had to use Bob's social security record to get, merely proof of his own lack of income/assets. It's good news for the "sink the tugboat" crowd if he's telling the truth, though; it's a lot easier to lose SSI benefits than SSDI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 09:45, 9 November 2010 (PST)

::::*I think a lot of people get hung up over Bob's involvement when, in my case, they shouldn't be. I think when Chris comments on how Bob "pulled some strings" he was doing so to sound important, not because Bob did something shady (though I won't rule out the possibility). But this does bring up a good point, as I personally wasn't aware that SSI was also for disabled people. I thought SSI was regular social security, that is for those over 65, and SSDI was for the disabled but Wikipedia has proved me wrong. Has Chris said it's SSI? It would be safer to go with what Chris says. Find sources for that and add a note that it could be SSDI. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:34, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

:::::*Dkain is correct. It's SSIDI (Supplemental Security Income for Disabled and some other shit that starts with an "I"). It's a program for disabled children of qualifying parents. Obstensibly it's money Bob paid into the system when he was drawing a paycheck (via FICA tax); in reality the payout ends up being more than what was paid in because of annual cost-of-living increases and the initial settlement. $800 is a common monthly amount and is pretty much the low end of the totem pole, but Medicare is included and the income is non-taxable. The beneficiary (in this case, Chris) is reviewed every 3 to 5 years to re-qualify -- there's little chance that Chris would be cut off, because if he ain't a hopeless nutjob, who is?

::::::I get SSDI, (Social Security Disability Income) which is different -- basically it's what Bob would qualify for. (I'm older than all you punx but not of retirement age thx, plus ''I have all my hair.'') I paid into the system for twenty years and don't feel bad about getting some of it back. It kind of blows getting by on what they hand out (I was making a tidy six figures before I got sick) and I'm about to nuke the whole thing by getting a j.o.b., but it was sure a leg up. Plus I have these groovy license plates. I was denied twice and had to appeal three times, it took about two years to do. The case worker came to see me while I was in the ICU once and I still got turned down. There's a thing called "ticket to work" that lets you make some outside income, but I could never get a straight answer about how much you can make before they cut you off so I didn't take the gig -- losing Medicare would have made things very iffy. Fun, but of a mild type.

::::::One more clarification (Champ, accept my apologies and feel free to toast all this if I'm getting too forum-y) SSDI is paid on the 3rd of the month, supposedly at 12 AM unless the 3rd falls on a weekend or holiday when it gets bumped up a day or two. Ferexample, since the 3rd of this month (July '11) is a Sunday, benefits were paid on the night of Thursday May 31st (formally, midnight Friday morning). Most banks will let you take an (up to) one-month advance against a direct deposit, usually at a horrendous interest rate (Wells Fargo and B of A charge 120% IIRC) -- Chris could use this credit line on the sly without Bob knowing until the next month. It'd be interesting to know if he has done so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

::::::Medicare is Federal and parts A, B, and D (doctor, hospital, prescription) come with SSDI. Being awarded SSDI qualifies you for Medic''aid'', which is optional and administered by the state. Medicaid takes care of the co-pays, but you have to pay a stiffish premium. It's also of course not deducted from your (Federal) benefits, you have to pay it yourself. (In my case, the Medicaid premium was over a thousand bucks a month but I was facing surgery where the co-pay alone would have been over $100K.) Reading between the lines, Chris doesn't seem to have Medicaid, probably a case of Bob being cheap and Chris' medical expenses not amounting to much anyway. - [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 09:04, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

== One thing I've been dying to know... ==

Why exactly is Chris villainized for spending a portion of his money on whatever he wants? This is the one and only thing I'll defend him on, because I'm currently on disability myself {with no job thanks to my old job being closed down last year and no local businesses hiring anymore}, and I don't appreciate people on such a program being called "welfare leeches" or being accused of stealing and/or wasting taxpayer money because they had ''the nerve'' to spend their share of it on video games or whatever. [[User:TheSwedishElf|TheSwedishElf]] 12:16, 22 January 2012 (PST)

I suppose because there's a feeling that he could get a job of some sort, but he just prefers to stay on welfare all his life because it's easier. Also, he has claimed that it's "a stepping-stone in the right direction of [him] moving out" and generally to help him towards becoming a functioning person, but he never spends it on any kind of treatment or training, just entertainment. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (PST)
* Unfortunately, this is something that should have been taken to the Forum, not something that's discussed here. What I will say though is this: Chris isn't made fun of because he spends "a portion" of his money; he spends a MAJORITY of his tugboat on video games, consoles, and his blow-up dolls. MOST individuals on a fixed income would save, Chris has never had much in his savings, he's even gone "in the red" multiple times because of his buying binges. He's also claimed that he gets this "free money" because God WANTS him to not have to work 'yet' (refer to Kacey Emails and Jackie Emails). It's the principal of the thing more than anything. If he spent maybe $40 a month on a game, he'd be fine; but he spends HUNDREDS a month on things that aren't necessary to survive. THAT'S why he gets so much hate...in a nutshell. There are other reasons, but again, that's for the forums. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:12, 22 January 2012 (PST)

== Know of a benefit rip off? Then give us a telephone tip off. ==

The title I've given this comment is from a 1990s public ad campaign for anonymous tip offs for people you believe to be cheating our national benefits system. I was wondering if such a thing existed in the US. I believe Chris to be the biggest benefit fraudster I've ever came across and he deserves the immediate cessation of all his benefit money. Millions starve as this fat waster gets even fatter but there is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting a job. Apart from being a fucking idiot I don't see why he shouldn't have to work. Now I'm no doctor but AFAIK being a fucking idiot is not a disability. I'd gladly be the one who reports him for he benefit fraud. In America if you are found to be a benefit cheat would you have to pay all ill-gotten monies back? That's how it works here in the UK. The thought of Chris working until retirement age paying all that money back makes me happy.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:05, 25 May 2012 (PDT)

Talk:Monthly tugboat

2012-05-25T18:05:49Z

Trip2themoon: /* Know of a benefit rip off? The give us a telephone tip off. */ new section

==To do==
*Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

== BETTER TO DO ==
The origins are explained in the BlueSpike Skype log...somewhere. just...look for it. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:14, 11 October 2010 (PDT)
:Done, Cash Sifu. --[[User:SeventhBase|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase|Base]] 20:29, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

----

Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --[[User:Wild Sonichu|Wild Sonichu]] 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

==Disambiguation==
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --[[User:Jump|Jump]] 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

==$800,$750?==

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?([[User:Drlugae|Drlugae]] 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
*The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
*The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

==State or federal?==
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? [[User:V3N0M1300|V3N0M1300]] 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
*It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
:*It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

== On Advice of Bob? ==

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --[[User:El Presidente|El Presidente]] 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== This is bullshit ==

NOT. A. FORUM. --[[User:Cogsdev|Cogsdev]] 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
: Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- [[User:Ashki|Ashki]]
:: There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms? ==

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
: Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
::Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --[[User:AntonImaus|AntonImaus]] 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

:::Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --[[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::::Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::::::There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

:I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
:::That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)
::::Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

== Just to clarify ==

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's '''Supplemental Security Income (SSI)''', the $800 or so he receives monthly. '''Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI)''' is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
:Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. [[User:Dkaien|Dkaien]] 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)
::Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

:::Of course, now with the Jackie emails, things are confused again. Chris referred to his tugboat exclusively as SSI, but that's not something he would have had to use Bob's social security record to get, merely proof of his own lack of income/assets. It's good news for the "sink the tugboat" crowd if he's telling the truth, though; it's a lot easier to lose SSI benefits than SSDI. [[User:Kazmeyer|Kazmeyer]] 09:45, 9 November 2010 (PST)

::::*I think a lot of people get hung up over Bob's involvement when, in my case, they shouldn't be. I think when Chris comments on how Bob "pulled some strings" he was doing so to sound important, not because Bob did something shady (though I won't rule out the possibility). But this does bring up a good point, as I personally wasn't aware that SSI was also for disabled people. I thought SSI was regular social security, that is for those over 65, and SSDI was for the disabled but Wikipedia has proved me wrong. Has Chris said it's SSI? It would be safer to go with what Chris says. Find sources for that and add a note that it could be SSDI. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:34, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

:::::*Dkain is correct. It's SSIDI (Supplemental Security Income for Disabled and some other shit that starts with an "I"). It's a program for disabled children of qualifying parents. Obstensibly it's money Bob paid into the system when he was drawing a paycheck (via FICA tax); in reality the payout ends up being more than what was paid in because of annual cost-of-living increases and the initial settlement. $800 is a common monthly amount and is pretty much the low end of the totem pole, but Medicare is included and the income is non-taxable. The beneficiary (in this case, Chris) is reviewed every 3 to 5 years to re-qualify -- there's little chance that Chris would be cut off, because if he ain't a hopeless nutjob, who is?

::::::I get SSDI, (Social Security Disability Income) which is different -- basically it's what Bob would qualify for. (I'm older than all you punx but not of retirement age thx, plus ''I have all my hair.'') I paid into the system for twenty years and don't feel bad about getting some of it back. It kind of blows getting by on what they hand out (I was making a tidy six figures before I got sick) and I'm about to nuke the whole thing by getting a j.o.b., but it was sure a leg up. Plus I have these groovy license plates. I was denied twice and had to appeal three times, it took about two years to do. The case worker came to see me while I was in the ICU once and I still got turned down. There's a thing called "ticket to work" that lets you make some outside income, but I could never get a straight answer about how much you can make before they cut you off so I didn't take the gig -- losing Medicare would have made things very iffy. Fun, but of a mild type.

::::::One more clarification (Champ, accept my apologies and feel free to toast all this if I'm getting too forum-y) SSDI is paid on the 3rd of the month, supposedly at 12 AM unless the 3rd falls on a weekend or holiday when it gets bumped up a day or two. Ferexample, since the 3rd of this month (July '11) is a Sunday, benefits were paid on the night of Thursday May 31st (formally, midnight Friday morning). Most banks will let you take an (up to) one-month advance against a direct deposit, usually at a horrendous interest rate (Wells Fargo and B of A charge 120% IIRC) -- Chris could use this credit line on the sly without Bob knowing until the next month. It'd be interesting to know if he has done so, I wouldn't be at all surprised.

::::::Medicare is Federal and parts A, B, and D (doctor, hospital, prescription) come with SSDI. Being awarded SSDI qualifies you for Medic''aid'', which is optional and administered by the state. Medicaid takes care of the co-pays, but you have to pay a stiffish premium. It's also of course not deducted from your (Federal) benefits, you have to pay it yourself. (In my case, the Medicaid premium was over a thousand bucks a month but I was facing surgery where the co-pay alone would have been over $100K.) Reading between the lines, Chris doesn't seem to have Medicaid, probably a case of Bob being cheap and Chris' medical expenses not amounting to much anyway. - [[User:Smokedaddy|Smokedaddy]] 09:04, 2 July 2011 (PDT)

== One thing I've been dying to know... ==

Why exactly is Chris villainized for spending a portion of his money on whatever he wants? This is the one and only thing I'll defend him on, because I'm currently on disability myself {with no job thanks to my old job being closed down last year and no local businesses hiring anymore}, and I don't appreciate people on such a program being called "welfare leeches" or being accused of stealing and/or wasting taxpayer money because they had ''the nerve'' to spend their share of it on video games or whatever. [[User:TheSwedishElf|TheSwedishElf]] 12:16, 22 January 2012 (PST)

I suppose because there's a feeling that he could get a job of some sort, but he just prefers to stay on welfare all his life because it's easier. Also, he has claimed that it's "a stepping-stone in the right direction of [him] moving out" and generally to help him towards becoming a functioning person, but he never spends it on any kind of treatment or training, just entertainment. [[User:Eamoo|Eamoo]] 12:41, 22 January 2012 (PST)
* Unfortunately, this is something that should have been taken to the Forum, not something that's discussed here. What I will say though is this: Chris isn't made fun of because he spends "a portion" of his money; he spends a MAJORITY of his tugboat on video games, consoles, and his blow-up dolls. MOST individuals on a fixed income would save, Chris has never had much in his savings, he's even gone "in the red" multiple times because of his buying binges. He's also claimed that he gets this "free money" because God WANTS him to not have to work 'yet' (refer to Kacey Emails and Jackie Emails). It's the principal of the thing more than anything. If he spent maybe $40 a month on a game, he'd be fine; but he spends HUNDREDS a month on things that aren't necessary to survive. THAT'S why he gets so much hate...in a nutshell. There are other reasons, but again, that's for the forums. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 20:12, 22 January 2012 (PST)

== Know of a benefit rip off? The give us a telephone tip off. ==

The title I've given this comment is from a 1990s public ad campaign for anonymous tip offs for people you believe to be cheating our national benefits system. I was wondering if such a thing existed in the US. I believe Chris to be the biggest benefit fraudster I've ever came across and he deserves the immediate cessation of all his benefit money. Millions starve as this fat waster gets even fatter but there is absolutely nothing stopping him from getting a job. Apart from being a fucking idiot I don't see why he shouldn't have to work. Now I'm no doctor but AFAIK being a fucking idiot is not a disability. I'd gladly be the one who reports him for he benefit fraud. In America if you are found to be a benefit cheat would you have to pay all ill-gotten monies back? That's how it works here in the UK. The thought of Chris working until retirement age paying all that money back makes me happy.[[User:Trip2themoon|Trip2themoon]] 11:05, 25 May 2012 (PDT)