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March 2012

2012-03-19T16:15:03Z

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'''March 2012''' is the third month of [[2012]].

==Events==
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Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2

2012-01-27T00:08:55Z

WalterSerick: /* Transcript */

'''Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2''' is the second of the calls between Chris and [[Alec Benson Leary]], which took place on 28 [[January 2010]].

==Summary==
[[Image:Toontown.jpg|thumb|THIS IS WHAT CHRIS ACTUALLY BELIEVES.]]
Alec lets Chris ramble on about the ads on the [[CWCipedia]] again before the topic changes to subjects that make Chris feel uncomfortable in his [[Mailbag]]. On the subject of [[Rosechu]]'s gender and pointed tail, Chris attempts to get Alec to believe he meant for the original Raichu's tail to be dull all along and becomes angry when Alec points out that he is lying.

Chris goes on to discuss how he feels that [[Asperchu]] is a [[Chris and reality|living, breathing creature in another universe with thoughts and feelings who wouldn't want to be named "Asperchu."]] Alec claims that Asperchu is unable to have a desire to be named something else because Asperchu doesn't exist, and Chris responds by repeatedly calling him "[[naïve]]" for not believing in a cartoon world similar to that seen in ''[[Wikipedia:Who Framed Roger Rabbit|Who Framed Roger Rabbit]]''.

They both agree to disagree, then move on to the lack of updates in [[Sonichu]]. Chris blames his [[biological clock]] for his inability to upload new pages and explains how the [[Chris and writing|creative process]] of his work requires a pain-staking thirty minutes of typing dialogue. Chris admits to using Photoshop, but says that since his comics are [[Chris and art|hand-drawn and hand-colored]], in his [[TRUE and HONEST]] opinion (and that of [[Barbara Chandler|his mother]], apparently) ''[[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]]'' is the superior comic. Alec points out that he draws his comics by hand, even if it's with a [[Wikipedia:Graphics tablet|graphics tablet]], and that his art doesn't have any less "personality" than Chris's work.

Chris returns to complaining about the [[CWCipedia]] adspace, hinting that the only real reason he's negotiating with Alec at all is to get the Asperpedia ads removed. Alec brings up [[Simonchu]], and Chris falsely<ref>[[:File:Fkinglie.png]]</ref> denies [[Simonla]] was ever inspired by Simonchu. When that Alec explains that Evan wants Simonchu and Simonla written out of the comic, and that Evan may consider taking [[Chris and the law|legal action]], Chris replies with "I'll think about it". Unsurprisingly, Evan did take [[CWCipedia#CWCipedia Closed (For Good) Due To Theft|legal action]].
{{Clear}}

==Video==

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{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name = Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2
| audio = {{#ev:youtube|LGB99JTZJes}}
| Stardate = 28 [[January 2010]]
| Featuring = [[Chris]]; [[Alec]]
| Saga = {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]]
| previous = [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 1]]
| next = [[#Part 2|Part 2]]
}} </center>

[[Image:comparison.jpg|thumb|He might have a point here]]
=== Transcript ===

'''Chris:''' Hello?

'''Alec:''' Hi, is this, uh, is this Chris?

'''Chris:''' Yeah, this is Christian Chandler, may I help you?

'''Alec:''' Hey Chris, this is Alec Benson Leary again, how are you?

'''Chris:''' Oh! I would have expected you to call at 9:30, uh, but anyway...

'''Alec:''' Oh! I actually did try to call at 9:30, didn't get an answer so I thought I'd try again, you-you're quite a difficult man to get a hold of, Chris.

'''Chris:''' Hmm... Yeah, I can talk for a few minutes, so let's try not to belabor this conversation.

'''Alec:''' Not at all, I don't... I don't wanna drag anything out. Um, well first I'll ask you if you have anything, uh, specific that you want to bring up, cause I know that you had to go kinda abruptly last time, and I thought maybe that there was a point you didn't get to or anything.

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Alec:''' Okay... Wanna go ahead with that?

'''Chris:''' Umm... well first off, you know...you know I have, um...I have gone to the CWCipedia recently, its the Ads are still super-sized, but, they are more of a mockery towards me now, and I do not appreciate that.

'''Alec:''' Yeeeaaah, I'm sorry about that, [[Mao]] is kinda, he got a little bit of a temper, you know, h-he-he is kinda mad about this whole... the [[mailbag]] situation, emails getting deleted and all that sort of thing. You know, I-I-I um, I saw in, uh, one of your mailbags, that you said that I delete, or uh, modify a lot of my e-mails. I don't know where you got that impression, actually, I don't do that. You know, I try to answer every e-mail I get thoughtfully, and fully.

'''Chris:''' Well, that's probably easy for you...probably easier for you because, yours are not as... mean and cruel and condescending as the ones I have been getting.

'''Alec:''' Have you been getting a lot of mean ones that have not been go into the mailbag? Cause, the ones I've see... a lot of them, well they do get critical at points, but I... I dunno, it seems like they been, they just kinda wanna, you know, have some questions answered.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, But I wish they wouldn't have'ta go so critical.

'''Alec:''' Like, uh, what do you mean, like uh, what are some of the things that you found just kinda crossed the line?

'''Chris:''' Like-Like they talk about... Like they talk about [[copyright]] issues and crap...

'''Alec:''' [''Trying to talk''] Well that is...that is kinda of an important issue, I mean...

'''Chris:''' [''Interrupting''] BUT-but I have my own [[Chris and copyright#Copyright registration|copyright registration]], that slip of paper I got from the [[Virginia]] Library of Congress...

'''Alec:''' Yeah, uh, I noticed one of the copyright related e-mails was um, someone asked if they could see, just some letter, or some evidence [[Sega]] or [[Nintendo]] gave you, uh, permission to go with [[Sonic]] and [[Pikachu]], and that kinda stuff for [[Sonichu]]'s origin story. Um, you know, if you provided those, that would silence those kind of e-mails right away.

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Alec:''' I mean, you do have copyright of Sonichu, but you would still need to show Nintendo's permission to publish it, you know what I mean?

'''Chris:''' Hmm...

'''Alec:''' 'Cause it has Pikachu in the origin story.

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Alec:''' Yeah, yeah, I think that would be a good idea to show everyone in the mailbag, you know, that would shut up that line of questioning right away.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, but there's... also... the homosexuals, and uh, other topics, ugh, I can't remember them off the top of my head. Yeah, there's quite a few.

'''Alec:''' Like the accusations that [[Rosechu#Transgenderism|Rosechu is a boy]]? I think, that was kind of a big thing-

'''Chris:''' Yeah-

'''Alec:''' People were going after-

 '''Chris:''' But I, I mean, yeah, that's only before the [[rainbow]] strike, I mean, the point where that Raichu- female Raichu is within the rainbow, that would be after the rainbow strikes that Raichu.

'''Alec:''' Hmm.

'''Chris:''' And with the power of the- with the power of the [[Sonichu Balls|Chaotic Crystals]].

'''Alec:''' Well you know-

'''Chris:''' I-it was with a point, it was as point to the end of that tail, in the two panels that preceded it, the tail was definitely dull at the end.

'''Alec:''' Uhh, well, you know, the- as far as I know, the original comic does have a point tail, like a male has, and that's- that's still on [[CWCipedia|your website]], isn't it?

'''Chris:''' I-

'''Alec:''' You know, one thing I thought about was the gender differences in the Pokémon, that didn't, Nintendo didn't do that until a while after you created it, Sonichu, right? So, I mean, I just don't get why you didn't go with that. That would've been a good explanation, but instead you kinda [[lie]]d to your [[fans]].

'''Chris:''' What do you mean, lied? [[Lie|I did not lie]], I mean, you look at the two pictures before the rainbow hit, the tail is dull on the tip.

'''Alec:''' Oh, well, I see that in your picture that's on the front of the CWCipedia, but on the original comic he had a pointy tail, or she, I mean.

'''Chris:''' The original-

'''Alec:''' I've seen the original.

'''Chris:''' That's because- look, outside, [[Chris and art|that's just a line that is going outside of the square]], [[Chris and reality|whatever goes outside, does not necessarily count.]]

'''Alec:''' Uh, it doesn't look like it goes, like, outside the panel here, but... I mean, y'know... I don't really know. I know that you don't... you probably should have corrected that mistake, but you left it in. I mean, I'm just trying to- I mean, I just kinda wish that thing had gotten nipped in the bud. It kinda sucks, but this is like, a huge point of contention right now.

'''Chris:''' Yeah. Al-also, you know, another thing, I've actually found, I've actually found a [[Sonichu Forum|forum of my loyal fans]], and I have just read some posts about the ads that have been placed in the CWCipedia, and they really don't like 'em either.

'''Alec:''' Hmm.

'''Chris:''' So, I'm not alone in that.

'''Alec:''' Well, alright. Well... you know, uh... if they wanted to buy the ad-space that's, I'm sure they could too. I mean, again, y'know, the ads, I'm gonna keep trying to talk to Mao but it's really his area. Mao's kind of the boss of the ads, I'm just kind of the artistic genius. Mao does the business work.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, that definitely do not appreciate that- that drawing of me, in a [[Butt garments|diaper]], and then just copying and pasting my signature to that.<ref>[[:File:Cwcbaby.jpg]]</ref> That's just wrong.

'''Alec:''' Well, you know, um, I noticed that even after our last talk you continued referring Asperchu as [[Mitch Sonichu|Mitch]]. I thought we had that cleared away. I thought you knew he was Asperchu, I mean Asperchu is my original creation.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, maybe so, but still-

'''Alec:''' And I think you still have the impression that Asperchu is a [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]], and you know that's not true, right? Asperchu is not a Sonichu.

'''Chris:''' Hmm, yeah, okay, but still think about this, y-y-y-you picked- you gave him the condition of [[Aspergers]].

'''Alec:''' Yes, that's correct. Oh! That's another thing. I think you, I think you thought that I gave everyone that appeared on my comic Aspergers, but only Asperchu has it. Just Asperchu.

'''Chris:''' [Sighs] Well-

'''Alec:''' Okay, you were gonna say something?

'''Chris:''' A-anyway, still, I think you could understand, since you have Aspergers and conservely, with my Autism, that we would pref- we don't really don't wanna be treated as sep- as treated as quote-unquote, "[[Slow-in-the-minds|special]]" because of our mental conditions, we want to be treated as equal individuals.

'''Alec:''' [over Chris] Well, that's certainly true, but how do you think I've been portraying Asperchu as being treated, y'know, different?

'''Chris:''' Try putting yourself in the shoes of your- of your Asperchu. If- if you, I mean, not only would you want to be treated as an individual equal, but-

'''Alec:''' That's how I portray him, he does everything normal people do.

'''Chris:''' But you would not want a name that empathizes the mental condition, you want a name that is more manly-

'''Alec:''' Well y'know, Chris, [[Christopher's name change|we don't choose our names. Our names are given to us.]] Asperchu never chose his name. I mean, think of it this way, the name "Asperchu," if you think of that as a detriment- I don't, but if you interpret the comic that way- think of it as a personal, sort of, character flaw, if you will, that he has to work to overcome. [[Chris and writing|All good characters have character flaws.]]

'''Chris:''' Yeah, I mean-

'''Alec:''' And, and, it's fiction. Sometimes characters don't always live the happiest lives in fiction, but that's part of what makes good fiction.

'''Chris:''' Yeah. Hmm, yeah, but still, think about it, what if your-

=Part 2=

==Video==

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| name = Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2
| audio = {{#ev:youtube|A7UpWqsfpm0}}
| Stardate = 28 [[January 2010]]
| Featuring = [[Chris]]; [[Alec]]
| Saga = {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]]
| previous = [[#Part 1|Part 1]]
| next = [[#Part 3|Part 3]]
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=== Transcript ===

'''Chris:''' -parents had named you "Asper?"

'''Alec:''' Uhh...

'''Chris:''' Just to foretell that you had Aspergers, that you would have Aspergers.

'''Alec:''' Well...

'''Chris:''' You would not want that [''[[Speech impediment|stammers]]''] you were being treated- wanting to be treated as an equal in society, you would not to be called "Asper" because-

'''Alec:''' But Chris-

'''Chris:''' Because that emphasizes the mental condition you have.

'''Alec:''' Okay Chris, that's part of the, again, character flaw, Asperchu has things weighing him down, he has curses and... y'know, not [[Chris the Shaman|literal curses]], but he has detriments to his life that [[Stress|weigh him down]] as a character, and he has to work to overcome those. That's part of what makes a good character. You wouldn't make a character that's just [[Chris-chan Sonichu|all powerful and perfect in every way and has no real problems ever]], would you? That'd be kinda boring. Complex characters have problems that they overcome.

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Alec:''' And it takes, it takes time, too, to overcome a serious problem, I mean, you just renamed him "Mitch," and that wouldn't do it, y'know you can't just go and snap your fingers and just wave the problem away and- 1. That's not realistic, and 2. That doesn't make for good fiction, I mean, all the drama you're building up, y'know, your readers really wouldn't really like that if you just kinda hand-waved it away, don't you think?

'''Chris:''' Alright, yeah, okay, but still-

'''Alec:''' Think about it like this: [[Wikipedia:Superman|Superman]] is named "Superman" because he's super, right? And y'know, Superman is one of the most- [''is cut off'']

'''Chris:''' I mean- as- as-as an individual, within his own world, outside of your control, Asperchu would not want that name, he would be in agreement with me, and would probably want to change his name to something like "Mitch."

'''Alec:''' Ah, but the thing there is, Asperchu is not outside of my control because it's a comic, and I am the creator and, y'know, manager of his comic universe. So, I- as his creator I decide what Asperchu wants and what he doesn't want, and what his personality is like.

'''Chris:''' Hmm.

'''Alec:''' I mean, don't you think?

'''Chris:''' Fairly. I mean, have you ever watched the movie ''[[Wikipedia:Who Framed Roger Rabbit|Who Framed Roger Rabbit]]''?"

'''Alec:''' Yes I have, it was a good movie.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, yeah, you got the whole [[Wikipedia:Toontown|toon world]] there, and within that, it coincides with the comic as well, and every individual comic, published or unpublished, drawn altogether. And within the world, actually, would reside your Asperchu, but he would be with his individual thoughts since you gave him an adult attitude within his, within his individual thoughts, he would- he would hate having the name of Asperchu 'cause it emphasizes his mental problem.

'''Alec:''' Umm...

'''Chris:''' His special condition. And he's like, his process of wanting to move from that, and become more acceptable in society, that he would not want a name that would make him feel...

'''Alec:''' Okay...

'''Chris:''' Like as if he's still living it, even after he's fully recovered from it.

'''Alec:''' Okay, but Chris, um, ''Who Framed Roger Rabbit'', that was still a movie, and everything in it was predetermined by the movie writers and director, and there is no alternate cartoon world in reality, I mean, cartoon characters don't actually think and feel things. Okay, here's a question-

'''Chris:''' Well, you obviously are naïve about that, cause you're not fully underst-, you're [[Chris and reality|not understanding that possibility of that universe actually existing]].

'''Alec:''' So you do believe that, um, when an artist creates a cartoon character, that character becomes real? That what you're saying to me?

'''Chris:''' Within that universe, yes.

[''[[Trolls|Raucous laughter]] can be heard in the background'']

'''Alec:''' But the universe is fake. I mean, the ''Asperchu'' universe exists on paper and in my computer. It's just, it's whatever I write it to be. Oh, here's a question for you. Okay, so if you think a character would want, you know, and appropriate name, a good name, not a name that calls them out on something, or sets them back, um... "Sonichu" is the name of a species, correct? I mean, there's Sonichus and Rosechus, those are a species, right?

'''Chris:''' Yeah, but, he was the first one, the first original Sonichu, and she was the original Rosechu-

'''Alec:''' So, wouldn't they want their own-

'''Chris:''' [''indignant''] And-and they each came up with their name, on their own, [''contradicting [[Sonichu 0|''Sonichu'' #0]], where [[Kel]] gives [[Rosechu]] her name''] and they did not need a nickname to go with that.

'''Alec:''' Yeah, but Chris, if you're a human being would you be comfortable just being named "Human"? Or "Man"? I mean, you wouldn't- would you be comfortable if the name "Christian Weston Chandler" didn't exist, and you were just called, "Man," or "Person," or something?

'''Chris:''' Hmm.

'''Alec:''' I mean, y'know ''Homo sapiens''-

'''Chris:''' Yeah but I would [''Chris and Alec talk over each other'']

'''Alec:''' ...''Homo sapiens''.

'''Chris:''' Yes, but still-

'''Alec:''' [[Homos|Homo, homo]].

'''Chris:''' I was not the first human being, and I actually had parents who gave me that name. Sonichu came in, he had to come up with his own name-

'''Alec:''' Well, Sonichu had you who gave him that name didn't he? I mean, within [[Sonichu (comic)|the comic]], you, [[Christian Weston Chandler (character)|Christian Weston Chandler]], are Sonichu's father, right? I mean, why wouldn't, why wouldn't your cartoon self give him a name?

'''Chris:''' Uh, that's the cartoon me, versus the real me.

'''Alec:''' Okay, but isn't the cartoon you... Okay, like you said, cartoons are basically real, I mean, so shouldn't the cartoon version of you be just like you? Wouldn't you want to give your child a name? I mean you-

'''Chris:''' I did give him a name, he's the original Sonichu, so therefore, it's as such.

'''Alec:''' But all the other Sonichus also have nicknames, or secondary names, so, so the first Sonichu, I gotta think is feeling kinda left out.

'''Chris:''' Well, he doesn't feel left out. He accepts that, and he's happy with it, just as Rosechu.

'''Alec:''' Okay, well, I don't think Asperchu feels left out because, y'know, he's just my cartoon character. He's my property, y'know, he's my intellectual property, that's what he is. You can't have a person as property, so you know, he's my property, he's not a person, he doesn't feel things, he doesn't think.

'''Chris:''' Okay, well still, what if you could actually could see- what if you could actually could see the child with your girlfriend or wife? Then, would you feel that you own that child even after you have raised him from being a baby, to, let's say, late teenage years where that child would feel more like and individual and independent being?

'''Alec:''' [''clearly frustrated with Chris's nonsense''] Chris, you do understand, that a child, a human being is substantially more that a comic character, right? They're not the same thing, they're not even close. Of course I would name a child, children are real, and children are not our property, I mean if I had a child, I would give it all the love and support it needed, but it is it's own person, he or she, I should say. Where as a comic character is just, it's whatever you draw on paper or in Photoshop. I mean, I draw Asperchu on paper, that's the only place he exists. And then I upload him onto my computer and that's where he exists, and he exists on the web. So I have a character, he grows, but he's never a person.

'''Chris:''' Hmm. Well anyway, this is confusing to think about. Okay- well- yeah...

'''Alec:''' We can agree to disagree.

'''Chris:''' Okay, what if As- what if the shoe was on the other foot- what if Asperchu created you?

'''Alec:''' Well then, I'd be a comic character, myself, and I wouldn't have any thoughts and feelings, so that's a moot point.

'''Chris:''' You think that comic character wouldn't have its own thoughts and feelings?

'''Alec:''' NO!

'''Chris:''' You are [[naïve]].

'''Alec:''' Chris, you have told me that you think a comic character is fundamentally as much of a person as a real human being, that is the naïve thought.

'''Chris:''' No, you are-

'''Alec:''' I'm a writer, I'm like the [[god]] of the Asperchu world. I decide what goes on in Asperchu's world, I decide, who and what Asperchu is and what he thinks and feels, if anything, which he doesn't, because he's still just a character on paper, y'know, when I put the pen down, Asperchu stops being there. Nothing exists in Asperchu's world that I haven't drawn.

'''Chris:''' [''sighs''] Boy, you are-

'''Alec:''' And it's naïve to think that there's anything more.

'''Chris:''' [''sighs'']

'''Alec:''' You know, I'm, uh- I think we should agree to disagree on this point.

'''Chris:''' Alright.

'''Alec:''' Um, because we have our own thoughts on that. Um, I kinda ask you about- I'm actually getting some letters about Sonichu, about why you're not updating daily, and I was kinda curious about that.

'''Chris:''' I- for your information, I am updating daily. I draw two pages- I draw and color my two pages a day. I can't help if I don't have access to my computer or if I can't get to it right away, besides which, my [[biological clock]] has been fickle on me and it's making me go- making fall asleep earlier.

=Part 3=

==Video==
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| Stardate = 28 [[January 2010]]
| Featuring = [[Chris]]; [[Alec]]
| Saga = {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]]
| previous = [[#Part 2|Part 2]]
| next = [[#Part 4|Part 4]]
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=== Transcript ===

'''Alec:''' Well, I understand-

'''Chris:''' [''talks over Alec''] And it's difficult to rearrange my schedule, and get back in- in a sync-synchronized routine like I would be.

'''Alec:''' Maybe you could get an alarm clock. You know, I- I'm just kinda curious, like, I know it takes, what, like an hour to do each page, about what you spend, I would kinda guess. Um, I'm just kinda confused why you'd spend an hour to draw a page, but not take that extra sixty seconds to upload it. I think consistency is important thing-

'''Chris:''' But, wait, it could take- it takes more than sixty seconds to scan it in Photoshop, then upload it. It would probably take like half an hour for all that work.

'''Alec:''' I didn't know you did Photoshop work with your pages. What do you, what do you use Photoshop for, if I may ask? I'm just kinda curious. I thought you just-

'''Chris:''' T-t-to change it from more hand-written text, to more legible typed text.

'''Alec:''' Y'know, If I remember right, I think kinda one of the criticisms you had about ''Asperchu'' was that it was not completely hand-drawn original. Because I do use Photoshop in part of my creative process, but it sounds like you do kind of the same thing. Which is, you know, that's fine. Digital, digital media is where our world is going, but I thought- see I thought you drew it all on paper and uploaded it.

'''Chris:''' I did draw it all on paper. The only part I edit in Photoshop is the text; what you reeead.

'''Alec:''' 'Kay, I thought so. Well, it just seems a little hypocritical, but you do use Photoshop in the creative process, but you criticized me for it. Don't you think?

'''Chris:''' No, actually, what I thought, is that you skip the hand-drawing and you draw everything on your Photoshop with your computer mouse.

'''Alec:''' Well I don't- here's what I do. I do sometimes draw the pages on paper, um, I'm kinda trying to shy away from that because, our society wastes so much paper, so I'm trying to be a little more socially responsible. But what I do, I use a [[Wikipedia:Graphics tablet|tablet]], and I draw on that, and that's basically the same thing as pen and paper, it's, uh, what I draw goes directly on the computer screen. So I don't use a mouse.

'''Chris:''' Hmm.

'''Alec:''' Yeah, it's the same thing-

'''Chris:''' Okay, but still, it looks crappy compared to mine. Even [[Barb|my mother]] agrees.

'''Alec:''' Oh, hey, hey, hey, c'mon that's a little insulting Chris, what do you mean, "crappy"? I mean, my mother says my comic is the most beautiful comic she's ever seen too but, I kind of think that's because she's a supportive mother. You know, mothers are supposed to support their children in their endeavors. And I have, y'know, got 20,000 fans now that love it too. None of them are my mother. My mother doesn't actually use a computer, I just show her the print-outs. [''silence''] Y'know, I get complimented on my art all the time.

'''Chris:''' Hmm.

'''Alec:''' I mean, it's okay to disagree. I just, I'm curious why you think it's crappy?

'''Chris:''' Because it's computer drawn. It's not originally hand-drawn.

'''Alec:''' I just told you, it is hand-drawn. It's hand-drawn on a tablet. What do you mean, it's not an "original hand-drawn?"

'''Chris:''' It don't have the old-fashioned original pencil or pen markings, that's what I have.

'''Alec:''' So, because I don't have smudge-marks on my paper, is that's what you mean? That was another reason I went with the tablet, because I got a lot of smudge-marks on my paper when I was doing math and I had to spend extra time erasing it. Y'know is- okay, by comparison, could I say that our [[Son-Chu|cars]] are not true original transportation because people should be using old-fashioned horses? You use Photoshop for lettering and effects. We're one in the same here, Chris.

'''Chris:''' [''sigh'']

'''Alec:''' And-and again, I just don't see why, the exact method I use to draw determines the skill of my art. Weren't you um, I remember recently, didn't you put, like, a live picture of yourself in your comic for some ''[[Guitar Hero]]'' theme? I mean, you didn't draw that part in, did you?<ref>A reference to "[[Revive Zordon]]" from [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]]</ref>

'''Chris:''' I-I-It at least allows me, to put myself in my work. See, a bigger difference between drawing with a tablet or mouse versus hand-drawn is that you see more personality with the orig- with the pen-marking, and color—and marker coloring versus what's... what's digitally entered-

'''Alec:''' Well, if you feel that way. If you feel that way, I respect your opinion, but, I mean, y'know, 20,000 fans can't be wrong, and not a single one of them have ever said anything.

'''Chris:''' Okay well-okay well, l-let me give you a better example on that. Okay, say you got, uh, two letters, two exact same letters from a person, from the same person. One hand-written, and one computerized and printed, which one would you think would have more personality, or would appeal to you better?

'''Alec:''' I honestly don't remember the last time anyone wrote me a hand-written letter. I don't even remember the last time I wrote a hand-written letter, I type everything, every kind of- I mean, typing looks more professional.

'''Chris:''' Professional, yes, but-

'''Alec:''' I mean, hand-written wouldn't get you a job, or anything.

[[Image:MoarCharacter.jpg|thumb|Artist's depiction.]]
'''Chris:''' At least I have had all the practice of hand-writing, and that- there's more character, more personality put into it, in hand-writing versus what you would just see, everyday in a monosynchronic [''?''] sense.

'''Alec:''' Well, you know why you see it everyday, everywhere, Chris? You see it everywhere, because it works. Because that's what people prefer.

'''Chris:''' [Sigh]

'''Alec:''' I think we're getting kinda off-topic, I mean I just- I kinda wanna go back to, um, I understand it can be difficult to get to your computer and upload things, you know in a timely fashion, sometimes, you're not at your computer, things like that, but, I mean, Sonichu's your franchise, a lot of fans I know are getting kind of, y'know, fed up that you don't have pages uploaded everyday. I mean, Sonichu is your, that's your franchise, right? I just, I dunno, I mean, I got a lot of stuff going on in my day too, but I make sure to get at least one or two pages uploaded everyday. Which has been more difficult since my school term started, 'cause I'm in full time school, and, y'know, I work still, I'm still working at the station but... that's just a recommendation, but... again, I know it's difficult, but I recommend that you try. That's all I'm saying.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, well, I am drawing- I have been drawing the pages, and like I said, I cannot help it if I can't upload on some days, but at least I do upload them in the bulk on when I can upload.

'''Alec:''' You know, for a while, for a couple months, you were uploading most everyday weren't you? I mean, has something, has something, has your schedule gotten busier recently or something?

'''Chris:''' I've been [[Biological clock|falling asleep earlier]]. And with that, it's hard- and with that it's harder for me to readjust my schedule.

'''Alec:''' You know Chris, if I fell asleep on my job, I'd probably lose my job. I mean, Sonichu is supposed to be your big franchise, right? I mean... if fell asleep while drawing Asperchu and I started missing days, I would buy myself and alarm clock. Or I would upload them earlier, before I knew I was gonna get tired, or whatever.

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Alec:''' It's just-

'''Chris:''' Anyway, anyway I haven't been able to get my schedule around and I just haven't been able to get it in sync yet.

'''Alec:''' What's uh... if I may ask, what's... has something been going on that's been throwing your schedule for a loop? I mean, you-you haven't made videos in the past couple of days but you know prior to that, you were making videos fairly frequently, mostly attacking me.

'''Chris:''' Originally did- originally when I did the videos it was not necessarily on a daily basis, that's not like, journal, a video is not like a journal to me.

'''Alec:''' Well but, you know, if you spend five, ten, fifteen minutes making a video, that's time you could be uploading a comic. But instead you make videos attacking me.

'''Chris:''' [''sigh''] Pl-plus, the battery power on my digital camera is fickle.

'''Alec:''' What does your digital camera have to do with uploading pages? I'm saying you shouldn't be using the camera, you shouldn't be making videos. You know why I haven't made any videos, Chris? It's 'cause I don't have time, I'm uploading pages that and- that and I don't wanna-

=Part 4=
==Video==
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{{Infobox/Audiofile
| name = Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 2
| audio = {{#ev:youtube|hyBLtwx25mk}}
| Stardate = 28 [[January 2010]]
| Featuring = [[Chris]]; [[Alec]]
| Saga = {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]]
| previous = [[#Part 3|Part 3]]
| next = [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 3]]
}} </center>

=== Transcript ===

'''Alec:''' -make [[death threats]] to people on the [[Internet]], that's not a... I mean, you know- you know you really hurt my feelings when you started doing those Chris, because, like I said you started as my inspiration and a couple months later you became my [[troll]].

'''Chris:''' [''sigh'']

'''Alec:''' I know you have trolls, you know, it sucks.

'''Chris:''' Yeah.

'''Alec:''' It really sucks to have people attacking you like that, but you became my troll.

'''Chris:''' Alright well... you know, how 'bout you just tell Mao that I... if he just... I'll leave y'all alone, let y'all do your thang... y'all take your ads off my website.

'''Alec:''' That's just not a... that's not a sound business move for me, Chris. Those ads are bringing in a lot of viewers.

'''Chris:''' [''sigh''] So, put 'em on another website.

'''Alec:''' Well, what if that website tells me that, y'know, they don't want them there, then should I move to another website, and then another, and then another... Mao's job is to bring in fans for me, that's what he's doing and he's doing it well, and that's why I keep him-

'''Chris:''' Well, Mao- Mao never asked me before he could- before he put anything up there or before he paid off [[Jack Thaddeus]].

'''Alec:''' Well, he doesn't have to, that's the way ads work. You buy adspace that's publicly available. Advertising is not under your control.

'''Chris:''' Ye-yeah- But I was- but I was never there to witness that monetary transaction, I was never there for that quote-unquote "agreement."

'''Alec:''' You don't own [[CWCipedia|the site]], Chris.

'''Chris:''' What?

'''Alec:''' You don't own that site. Right? I mean, the money from the ads go to keep the site up, that's my understanding.

'''Chris:''' [''sighs''] Actually, you're wrong, you see, Mao ga-put- gave that to €2,000 directly to Jack Thaddeus. actually put that €2,000 into the CWCipedia funds, so. therefore, Mao never saw his money in his money in the CWCipedia funds, they just went straight to Jack.

'''Alec:''' Um, I'm not really sure. I've never spoken to Jack, I don't know anything about what he and Mao talked about, y'know I'd kinda like to help you out, honestly I would, but I'm still a little... I'm a little miffed that um... even after we had a pretty good talk last time, but you still kept going with this whole "[[Mitch]]" business. I mean, you took my character, and altered him. You say, you say that I didn't get permission to use Sonichu, but you didn't get permission to use Asperchu either.

'''Chris:''' Yeah, well...

'''Alec:''' Or [[Simonchu]]! I-I-I almost forgot to mention that, Evan wanted me to talk to you about that, about using Simonchu. Y'know, Simonchu was his creation and you used that without permission. And he asked you several times, not- to get rid of Simonchu and [[Simonla]], or whatever her female form is. But-

'''Chris:''' Yeah, but actually, [[Lie|Simonla was never very inspired by Simonchu...]] I took an original [[Rosechu (species)|Rosechu]], I changed her to a ground color, gave her the complexion, added an armadillo shell, and then a few drills in appropriate faces- places.

'''Alec:''' So kind of how I took a [[Sonic]], and make him yellow, and gave him a goatee and glasses, and a Buddha belly, and thus was born Asperchu. And, it was- you thought it was a parody, but it just happened to be... that kinda what you're going with, for there? I mean, why didn't you just say that to Evan in the first place, 'cause he has been e-mailing you for a long time.

'''Chris:''' I-I told him- I responded- I told him that in response- in response to why those messages in the mailbag, but apparently, he had not read that.

'''Alec:''' Okay, uhm... let's see, I'm looking at the Simonla at your CWCipedia here, um, you say that... I'll just read what it says here: About on or before August 26, [[2008]], I received an e-mail from Evan George, uhh... submitting his Sonichu Fan Art to me, then later submitted his idea for Simonchu, it did not strike as good at first but for a few months, I wanted to create a ground type, um... so from Simonchu, I created Simonla Rosechu.<ref>[http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Simonla_Rosechu&oldid=5231]</ref> That's on the Simonla article for your CWCipedia. I mean that's, smoking gun, Chris, that's proof, that you used Simonchu as a base.

'''Chris:''' [''groans'']

'''Alec:''' I'm... y'know I'm not trying to attack you with this but I really think this is evidence, that you should get rid of Simonchu and Simonla, write 'em out. 'Cause the facts are right there Chris.

'''Chris:''' Well, actually it was not like that, I typed it in because Evan was badgering me as such, and it just stuck in my head, and pretty much stuck... when I typed it in originally.

'''Alec:''' Why would that just stick in your head, why would that happen? Why would it stick in your head, unless it's true?

'''Chris:''' [''trying to think of an excuse''] I put it in there to make a [[parody|mockery]] out of him!

'''Alec:''' Well, then you kind of... kind of lied about it to people, didn't you? I mean, 'cause everyone else thinks that's the [[Honest Content|honest truth]].

'''Chris:''' Well, I can stick- well I can change that and fix it.

'''Alec:''' Doesn't matter, you already established it. I mean, when it comes to, like, [[copyright]], and that sort of thing, Chris, I mean, the one thing that matters more that anything else is documentation, and history. And all of your documentation shows that you used Simonchu as inspiration. You acknowledge legal liability here. Whether it was a joke or not, you wrote it like it was real. And Evan's been pester-

'''Chris:''' [''big sigh'']

'''Alec:''' ...ing me to talk to you, 'cause apparently you're ignoring his e-mails... although you ignore my e-mails too. I mean, like I said, it was a pain just to get a hold of you. I mean, for a guy who has so much to say to me, you are hard to get a hold of.

'''Chris:''' Hmm.

'''Alec:''' I mean, you, you, I'm just I wanna let you know, that you do need to comply with Evan's demands, 'cause he's talking about litigation, and that if he wants to go get a lawyer over this. He said that he'd, that he'd back off if you acknowledge, in the comic and write Simonchu and Simonla out, and y'know, say that they will be done and gone forever. He has the copyright for Simonchu. I mean, would you be willing to do that? Write 'em out?

'''Chris:''' I'll con- I'll think about it.

'''Alec:''' Okay, well don't think too long. I mean, this is a serious issue.

'''Chris:''' [Sigh]

'''Alec:''' I'm just- I'm just trying to give you advice, Chris.

'''Chris:''' Yeah-

'''Alec:''' I don't wanna see litigation come out of this.

'''Chris:''' Hmm... anyway I'm feeling tired right now.

'''Alec:''' Okay well, maybe I'll let you go, um... you have a good night, Chris.

'''Chris:''' Alright, goodnight.

'''Alec:''' Goodnight.

{{succession|label=[[Alec Benson Leary calls]]|prevlink=[[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 1|Chris and Alec Call 1]]|nextlink=[[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 3|Chris and Alec Call 3]]|}}

=Sources=
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=External Links=

*[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGB99JTZJes The Call on YouTube]
{{FanChats}}
[[Category:Phone calls]]

Chris-chan (forum)

2012-01-22T00:32:47Z

WalterSerick: /* Typical discussions (Yes, these are actual thread titles) */

[[Image:Edfcwcusers.jpg|thumb|Your average Chris-chan following EDiot.]]

''This page is about the [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] sub forum. For information about the manchild who inspired it, please see [[Christian Weston Chandler]]''

'''Chris-chan''' (commonly referred to as '''EDF''') was a subforum of the [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] forums. Created such that the Talk page for the Chris-chan article could be used for its rightful purpose to discuss improving the article, it quickly became a hive of scum and villainy.

The user base primarily consisted of people who had recently discovered Chris-chan, people who could not figure how to go to [[CWCki]] without being redirected to meatspin from ED, and people who thought that it was ''still'' funny to troll Chris by calling him and asking if he likes Mudkipz or calling [[Bob]] as Boxxy or yelling [[BlueSpike|JUULAAAY]] over the phone. As such, rumors such as Chris being evicted from his house have gained credence due to ED.

Chris had indicated in his 13 [[September 2009]] video that he read the ED forums, where he discovered a plan to photoshop images so they looked like they were from a Sonichu game. Chris firmly believed this forum to be the main hub for trolling activity despite other forums and websites (such as [[CWCki|this one]]) are far more significant.

It should also be noted that the [[Slow-in-the-minds|intellectual capacity]] of some of the EDF users were nearly equal to Chris's.

When ED was shut down in 14 April 2011, the forums died with it and no attempt has been made to resurrect them – probably one of the few definite upsides of that debacle.

==Typical discussions (Yes, these are actual thread titles)==
*"CWC may be my long lost brother."
*"Liquid is cute"
*"What if Chris was president?"
*"Is Chris going bald?"
*"HEY GUIZE, I FOUND SOMETHING NEW ABOUT CHRIS!!!!111ONEONE"
*"BAAAWWW, 110mb IS BROKEN!!!"
*"I have a trolling idea"
*"I'm going to muder Chris"
*"Wait, Chris reads EDF?"

==External links==
*<s>[http://forums.encyclopediadramatica.com/forumdisplay.php?f=21 Chris-chan forum (abandon hope all ye who enter here)]</s> Dead.

[[Category:Trolling]]
[[Category:Websites]]

Chris-chan (forum)

2012-01-21T19:13:51Z

WalterSerick: /* Typical discussions (Yes, these are actual thread titles) */

User talk:Anonymax

2011-12-28T16:30:32Z

WalterSerick: /* Anonymax old boy */

You've been busy already - good job. Keep it up. --[[User:Blunderscore|Blunderscore]] 13:36, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:* Thanks for fixing the typos in Mumble 3! Sometimes my memory fails me. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 15:04, 17 April 2010 (UTC)

== Re:User Template Categories ==

That sounds like a good idea. Should we start moving pages, then? '''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' 03:18, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
* Hmm, now that you mention it, I tried moving the weeaboo category to change its capitalization but I didn't see the "move" tab.

:An awards/standard userboxes split sounds good. It'll keep the Awards category from being cluttered. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' 03:36, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

* Got it. I'd delete them right now, but since I'm only supposed to delete vandalism I don't want to accidentally abuse my Jerkop powers. Maybe you should ask one of the higher ups to do it? '''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' 05:11, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

==Re: New Shirt Icons==

Okay. I've been using MS Paint all this time, but I just downloaded GIMP (it seems to be a lot more user-friendly than I remembered). How many have you fixed so far? I can fix the rest if there are any left to be done. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 01:57, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
*No, I've got it. Thanks for offering, though. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 02:04, 10 May 2010 (UTC)
** I hope you do ZThe Joker shirt justice seeing as it actually is one of his best known shirts for raging now.--[[User:Hieghts503|Hieghts503]] 21:55, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

== About the welcome template... ==
I saw your post on YawningSquirtleRedux's talk page and I understand your reasoning, but wouldn't it be more convenient to to just use the template rather than all the text itself? I mean, thats what the template is for isn't it? It saves file size and and can actually be just typed out, rather than having to copy paste it in from somewhere. Plus it makes the talk pages easier to navigate around without all that text there. I don't know about you, but to me, using the template seems it'd be the easier option. And i'm still not sure what'd be so bad about the user talk pages changing when the template is edited. Wouldn't that just mean they'd have the up to date version of the welcome? Besides, how often would we even need to change the template. It looks fine to me as it is. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 21:52, 14 May 2010 (UTC)

== Hey, buddy ==

[[Template:Zoroastrian|You forgot a userbox.]] [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 19:26, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

== Ham ==

I'm amazed - nay, ASTOUNDED - that we have a template for that. --[[User:Manwithoutabody|manwithoutabody]], 21:40, 03 June 2010

== My Page ==
Thanks for cleaning up the userboxes. I kind of got the feeling I had done it wrong, but was too tired to mess around with it any more.--[[User:Star Platinum|Star Platinum]] 04:57, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

== Uh, question. ==

I recently saw in my talk page's history something about you not wanting me to reinvent the wheel?
May I ask what that was about?
 [[User:DonnieDarko|DonnieDarko]] 05:10, 4 June 2010 (UTC)DonnieDarko

== whitespace issues ==

Thank you so much for fixing the whitespace issues for the troll userboxes. I was wondering what was causing them. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' 19:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

== Re: Your Jerkop application ==

In case you get this before you see my message in IRC, get in touch with me, I'd like to talk to you. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:10, 11 September 2010 (PDT)

== re:Large Rollback ==

Ah, thank you! I'll be sure to remember that. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' 13:26, 12 September 2010 (PDT)

== Talk pages ==

The point of talk pages is to... TALK. It doesn't have to have a standard or anything. Right...? --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 06:51, 14 September 2010 (PDT)

== I have a few words for you: ==

You especially, need to get off your high horse.

Funny how everyone on this wiki criticizes Chris for being full of himself, how ironic since it's common from the editors here too. I'm through editing this shit wikipedia. You editors are just as pathetic as Chris. Fuck you. --[[User:Tommy-Vercetti|Tommy-Vercetti]] 20:44, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

== Thanks for trying ==

Unfortunately none of those suit my needs, thanks for trying though. --[[User:Ashki|Ashki]]

== Hey, idiot ==

Thanks for destroying my work: http://www.cogsdev.org/w/index.php?title=Vivian_Gee_E-mails_2&action=historysubmit&diff=115313&oldid=115312 --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 15:40, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== Work 1 section a time ==

Just like as I do. --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 15:46, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

== It's for future ==

Use the sections, there won't be conflicts of edits with someone else (probably). --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 15:51, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

==WTF==
I didnt "re-add crap" I removed the names of the 2 tards on the call. Check the version difference.
[[User:Dkd|Dkd]] 09:15, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

== Video icons with blank linkage, etc ==

Hiya. I edited a few of the "subject" and "style" [[Template:Video icon key|video icons]] that weren't pointing to links (i.e. they just went to file:image.blah and also were missing alt text), and changed one in particular ("Reason" under "style" pointed to the page for "Fail"; I changed it to "Chris and hypocrisy" since I figured there were plenty of examples and links for CWC's failures). Is there currently or will there be a desire to edit the icons in "shirt" and "other" similarly? If so, I'm willing to help, though not sure how people would want that done. There are only a few linked shirts so far, typically ones that are iconic of certain traits or events (e.g. the Pokemon shirt, the muscle bra). Others could be linked along the same way, like the "Rollin and Trollin" video for the "Trollin Style" outfit, or if something is ubiquitous enough it can just point to Chris's fashion page. The icons in the "other" category could link in the same way but I don't know if video types are categorized any further than the [[List of Videos]], nevermind that I'm not sure what qualifies as "live" or "directfeed".

Anyhow, I've always thought the video icons on the CWCiki are a neat touch. The shirts are all great. I'd only really change the "Rumors" icon because I always thought it was an old-fashioned weighing scale instead of a warning sign. Let me know if I can help. [[Image:Horse3.gif|Horsehorsehorse]] [[User talk:Horsehorsehorse|Talktalktalk]] 18:29, 30 September 2010 (PDT)

== Sorry ==

I was just trying to clear out some of the improper information and Clyde was jumping down my throat for no good reason, so yeah. --[[User:Ashki|Ashki]] 20:47, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
:* Honestly though, I can tell where I'm not wanted, so I might as well take my leave. --[[User:Ashki|Ashki]] 20:48, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
:::Hmm. Arguing against Clyde is a bit like tying your shoelaces up before entering a Mosque - a waste of time. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 20:52, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
::::Still, you might want to reign some control over him, there was absolutely '''no''' reason for him to jump down my throat for making a simple mistake, it's as simple as that. --[[User:Ashki|Ashki]] 00:10, 2 October 2010 (PDT)
:::::I don't think it was your simple mistake that did it, my friend. Although maybe you caught me a bad time. (ur still dumb lol) [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 00:43, 2 October 2010 (PDT)

==New article==
I just made an article titled Chris and Cosplay, can you look it over and tell me if I did anything bad?--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 11:31, 11 October 2010 (PDT)

== Re: Duck censorship ==

We did in for the Chris and Sex article. It's the article for the damn protagonist of the comics, an obviously important page, people shouldn't have to look at Chris's penis unless they know what they're getting into. --[[User:DStecks|DStecks]] 16:05, 20 October 2010 (PDT)

==Re: Whatever==

The issue with that is that we can say he fails at all sorts of things like "[[Song of Christian|Making a crowd noise]]" and validly put them into the article. I honestly think your example is a good one in that it is something he can't do, but the problem is that it's not something he regularly fails at. About a month ago, I went through the article and trimmed out stuff like that, purely because the article needed trimming and nobody else was doing it. If we start putting in examples of all of his individual failures, we'll have to put all of them back in, and the article will go back to the way it was before unless we limit it in some other way.

I think there comes a point at which we should put less emphasis on including every detail and more emphasis on making it humanly possible to read the article, and the Fail article has always been on the brink of this point. If you think that the article should be taken in a different direction, I honestly don't have an issue with that, but you'll have your work cut out for you.

Oh and also, there's already "Exercise" listed, but that's not as significant. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 11:09, 6 November 2010 (PDT)
* solution: delete the fail article because it sucks. the cwcki is a testament to chris's failure. -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 11:12, 6 November 2010 (PDT)

== It's good to have you back man ==

TSIA.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 18:03, 8 August 2011 (PDT)
Medical hiatus did me good =) --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 18:54, 8 August 2011 (PDT)

==Sorry about that==

Sickness has kept me off-site for a while and I'm rusty. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 15:27, 9 August 2011 (PDT)
:It's cool - go get some sleep =) --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 15:27, 9 August 2011 (PDT)

== Thanks. ==

Nah that was an earlier edit I did this morning. I'll just have to do it all over again. I'll try useing that notpad thing you showed me, and if the "keep me logged in" box wasnt ticked before, it is now. -[[User:HitIar|HitIar "wunderbar!"]] 09:19, 4 September 2011 (PDT)

== Thanks a lot for guiding me through! ==

Ohai Anonymax, thanks for taking the time to hold my hand a bit through my first few edits as well as an encouraging message on my discussion page. I read that you were a 'WoWfag' too so if you want to talk about either the [[autism|autistic]] manchild or said internet addiction: Feel free to add the same username on skype =)
{{clear}}
[[User:Nelithy|Nelithy]] 14:38, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

== Weasel words ==

I don't understand how "passed away" is pandering around saying "died." I was always under the impression that it has exactly the same negative effect on the person discovering that someone died, but is more formal and polite. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 19:35, 20 September 2011 (PDT)

== Order of Sonichu ==

Since you've been doing a hell of a fine job lately, especially getting bots to do stuff people normally wouldn't do, I feel that you deserve the Order of Sonichu. Keep up the good work, man.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:34, 21 September 2011 (PDT)

== All right. ==

I'll remember that for next time. --[[User:R3trogay|R3trogay]] 03:13, 3 October 2011 (PDT)

== WelcomeBot ==

I noticed you made a bot that welcomes new users. Now I for one welcome our wiki bot overlords, but to be devil's advocate, are you familiar with the arguments against it? I bring this up because I know this is something that's [[Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Perennial_proposals#Use_a_bot_to_welcome_new_users|brought up]] on Wikipedia but the opt against it, for the reasons they outline. I think they have a point, as a bot would end up welcoming vandals and it's a bit cold, so I just wonder if you've taken these arguments into consideration.

If you do believe we should keep the bot, I think the Welcome template needs updating then. There's a bit in there something along the lines of "or you can ask me on my user page" where it would be the user page of whoever was doing the welcoming and new users might try to ask WelcomeBot a question it obviously can't answer (if it can, then I applaud you for creating a sophisticated AI just for this wiki).

In any case, I applaud your ingenuity and your efforts and I hope you keep up the good work, we definitely need it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:57, 8 October 2011 (PDT)

==I lack the wiki skills to deal with this==

There was a good suggestion on the forum about having an RSS/Atom feed set up to monitor Da Update, so that people wouldn't have to check manually all the time. I've offered a temporary solution, but I don't know enough about this (and lack the permissions) to really do anything useful about this. [http://cwcki.yuku.com/topic/719/master/1/?page=1 Can you take a look at it?] Thanks. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] [[User_talk:Freecell|(t]]/[[Special:Contributions/Freecell|c)]] 09:09, 2 November 2011 (PDT)

== Chris's new edits ==

Have you seen Chris's new edits after the Michael Snyder images? I've no idea what the hell he's trying to do... No one else is mentioning this, though. --[[User:DawnDusk|DawnDusk]] 09:20, 8 November 2011 (PST)

== Email ==
I have what may turn out to be a very important Chris document I want to give to you, is there an email I can send it to?--[[User:Steve Landcleamer|Steve Landcleamer]] 10:45, 13 November 2011 (PST)

== Not sure where to ask this ==

how do i add a template to my userpage
like JERK or #sonichu?

== little help ==

is it posible to get my slimz account unban in the forum? ill play nice.

== Anonymax old boy ==

We must speak of an idea I have (CWCki related, of course) that I think you might be able to help me with. Get in touch with me sometime in your early afternoon, which would be my morning. If I'm not in #sonichu just as canine or someone and they can summon me, or IM me on AIM.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:24, 27 December 2011 (PST)

== Done ==

Reding the guidelines and whatnot.

Rollin' and Trollin'

2011-12-28T01:34:58Z

WalterSerick: /* Video */

'''Rollin' and Trollin'''' (more like ''Strange Case of Dr CWC and Mr Virgin With Rage'') is a video of downtown [[CWCville]] (really downtown [[Charlottesville]]) uploaded on 17 [[July 2009]] in which Chris attempts [[Wikipedia:Andy Kaufman|Kaufmanesque humor]]. Notable is a video message to real life [[trolls]], including several [[CWCki]] editors.
[[Chris]] has changed his look to:
*normal hairstyle
*[[Krapple|a goatee]]
*sunglasses instead of large, square [[pedo glasses]]
*plain blue T-shirt and jeans
*navy blue sleeveless unbuttoned shirt over his t-shirt
*dog-collar bracelets
*his forearms appear to be covered in thick tattoos, compliments of the tattoo sleeve from the [[Fuck Quest|fuck quest]]
*no [[Amnyfest Ring]]
*a chain with some dog tags, instead of his trademark [[Sonichu medallion]]

The lack of the ring and medallion suggested that Chris was not entirely TRUE and HONEST when he made this video, something that he indeed confirmed later. Chris also is continuing his pattern that started about a month before of sometimes not speaking clearly; however, his dialogue is especially unclear here at many parts.

In some parts of the video, his voice suddenly sounds like that of a man in his twenties, and even when his voice cracks to a high pitch, it sounds like video editing was done to deepen it. However, in other parts of the video, his voice starts cracking as it normally does, like a young boy's voice. No matter what, he still sounds like... well, an [[autistic]].

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Rollin' and Trollin'
| video = {{#ev:youtube|a4-LgbN-sHA}}
| stardate = 17 [[July 2009]]
| maker = [[IBAChandler]]
| subject = {{Music|text}}, {{Trollsicon|text}}
| style = {{Smug|text}}
| shirt = {{TrollinShirt|}}
| other = {{Live|text}}
| previous = [[A near public apology]]
| next = [[CWC Trollin More]]
}}

{{quote|Well the, uh, truth comes out. I’ve never been autistic, I work forty hours a week to support my parents, this has all been a trick, you have all been trolled. }}

=== Transcript ===

''[Note: an [http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=107843413913045677951.0004720130396776af50b&ll=38.030219,-78.480331&spn=0.006845,0.012757&t=h&z=17&lci=com.google.ugc.c752d13e87c4fbd7 annotated listing] of the locations featured in this video has been created on Google Maps.]''

''Christian Weston Chandler, Rollin’ and Trollin’''

[''Music, in the form of "Escape from the City" from ''[[Sonic]] Adventure 2'', plays as Chris walks down the street'']

'''Chris''' ''imitating an announcer'': Hi we’re coming to you live from CWCville today. We’re over at the CWCville pavilion. The, uh, [[Christian and the Hedgehog Boys|Hedgehog Boys]] and the, uh, master Christian Mayor the, uh they for day, uh, come here every Friday night and, uh, and it draws a crowd, uh, and it’s very good y’know. [''Shimmies clumsily''] This gives me some, uh, business from amongst the population that comes around.

[''Music plays as Chris walks down the street'']

'''Chris''': Ah yes this is our graffiti wall in the mid- uh in the middle of the, uh, city of CWCville in the metropolis. The, uh, fee- the, uh, children are, uh, enjoying it obviously and this is also part of our beautification project in the city and we and I gotta say that the, uh, project just looks fantab- fantastic from here. It all looks very good. I tell you what. “Give me the liberty to know, to utter and to argue according to conscience above all liberties.”

[''Music plays while Chris goes to an elevator. 15 seconds of dead air time pass while he waits for the elevator to arrive while the music plays like it's the coolest thing in the world. The video is also even cut in between the elevator wait as the elevator took even longer to come. The music itself makes the dead air time seem like it's two minutes instead of fifteen seconds. The music continues as he boards the elevator. The lift rises until they arrive at a car park on the top floor.'']

'''Cameraman''': So how do you feel about President [[Obama]] and his economic policies?[[File:Cameraman.png|thumb|Contrary to popular belief, the cameraman (on the right) seems to be a pretty normal guy.]]

'''Chris''': I like it. It’s he’s doing a smash-up job of it and he’s, uh, getting everybody their money and, uh, getting everybody the bang for their buck.

'''Cameraman''': How do you feel about President Obama’s foreign policies with countries like Iran and Iraq?

'''Chris''': Hmmm. Yeah. I think he’s doin’ OK. You know, uh, establishing, uh, good communications and, uh, giving them what they, uh, require yeah he’s I think he’s doing a very good job with his, uh, foreign policies.

'''Cameraman''': President Obama, being a family man, what is your opinion on his character?

'''Chris''': I think he’s a regular stand up [[family guy]].

''During the Obama questions, Chris's voice pitch was in the style of how his voice becomes very high pitched when he lies.''

[''Music plays as Chris walks along talking and gesturing at the sky. They arrive at the Timberlake drug store.'']

'''Chris''': Ah yes the old Timberlake drug store. It’s been in the, uh, family for generations. The, uh, only, uh ss- generation that, uh, has not been able to run it is the one that went on to a singing career.

[''Outside a bar named Rapture. A clothing store called [[Vivian]]'s is clearly visible'']

'''Chris''': Alright well since the, uh, bar s- since the bar law has been repealed, the drinking law, the this here’s the first bar to open up. The, uh, Rapture, uh, in the city of CWCville. Ah also known by the nickname of, uh, R2.

[''Heart wipe. Chris strides along to music'']

'''Chris''': Over in downtown CWCville the honor the, uh, death of our dearly departed, uh, bodyguard of mine, [[BILLY MAYS]]. He sacrificed his life in an assassination attempt from m- from me and, uh, is doobly honored in downtown CWCville. We build this building. [''Camera pans to a derelict apartment block.''] To be completed in a few, uh, the towers n-, uh, the building the buildings will be the BILLY MAYS Tower and will serve as the new commercial site in the commercial center.

''And now some words to our fans''

'''Chris''': Hey Xantos (sic), man don’t ya be waggling that carton finger around at people. [''Flips off the camera''] Hey [[User:Delabonte|Delabonte]], you wish you were as cool as [[Robotnik|Doctor Ivo Eggman]]. [''Punches the air, gives V-sign''] Tie day is groovy, maaan. PeachyKeen is always awesome [''V-sign turns into Shocker sign''] wasn’t just in a decade it’s forever. [[Wikipedia:Space Channel 5|Ulala]], now reporting for Space Channel 9, is that yoouu in that picture? Hey, Cosmos, you wish that I could feel ya’. [[Wikipedia:Anthony Sullivan (pitchman)|Anthony Sullivan]], you’re nothing without BILLY MAYS, you’re nothing with BILLY MAYS and if you want to talk about cock building look at BILLY MAYS memorial right behind me. Okay, El Misto, you don’t like my beard so much [''Camera zooms in on his chin''] I’ll tell you much it was a present form uncle Scrotor. Tez-manian Devil, some people have oily skin [''Camera zooms in on his forehead''] it doesn’t mean that their hygiene is bad. How about instead of the, uh, water that doesn’t work so well how about I rub you off my face! Hey double C D, yeah the Robotech Era is over Gundam overshadowed it. Arrrg, Neckbeardedone, quit lurking in ye shadows and step up and be a real troll. Hey [[User:RachmaninovDESU‎|Rachmaninov]] [''In air quotes''] stop dissing this chick. Man up will you? Captains log star date Velour Fog? Zap Brannigan? What’s the deal with that? I’d punch you in the face like Leela does. [''Swipes at the air''] Hey Morden, yeah we kissed but that’s not all: I hit that like the fist of an angry God.

''Thank you''

[''Music plays as Chris walks'']

[''In a park. Chris is wearing a pair of eye glasses over his eyes and a pair of sunglasses over his forehead'']

'''Chris''': Hey, I’m not near-sighted that was a rules [ruse]. If you want to see what they really do gimme a sec’. [''Puts glasses in front of the camera. With a whoosh and a hum, the scene becomes posterized in reds, purples, and greens, mimicking [[wikipedia:Predator (alien)|the infrared sight]] of the creatures from the ''Predator'' movies.'']

''A few thoughts on [[Optimus Prime]]''

'''Chris''': Yeah, Optimus Prime, uh, compurer, um, do not really care much for him, uh, I mean ever since the movie he’s always hanging around with Sam y'know. He’s always hanging around with kids. Somemany needs to call [[Wikipedia:Chris Hansen|Chris Hansen]].

''The final word about the greatest troll in history...''

Well the, uh, truth comes out. I’ve never been [[autistic]], I work forty hours a week to support my parents, this has all been a trick, you have all been trolled.

[''Music plays while Chris does his victory lap'']

''Cast''

''Christian Weston Chandler as Himself''

''Special Thanks: The Field Agents of CWCVille’s Security Taskforce''

''The [[PVCC (board)|Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens]] ''

''Old Spice Swagger: The Scent of Confidence ''

''[[Hex Box|Microsoft’s X-Box 360]]''

''And the silly trolls everywhere, for the many [[lulz]] you have provided.''

== Controversy ==

Because of this video, many started believing that IBAChandler was a fake because:

1) 0:10-0:17; Chris's voice sounds wierd. People who think IBAChandler was a fake said the guy practiced Chris's voice and screwed it up in the begining. My theory is that Chris just failed at making a fake voice.

2) Chris has tatoos. My guess is that Chris just got temporary tatoos.

3) Chris has no Sonichu medallion in this video, which is strange because in almost (If not every) everyone of his videos he had the medallion on.

4) The cameraman doesn't sound like anyone Chris has meet (As far as we know)

I think the reasons seem kinda valid (Except for Reason 3 because in this video he seems to be acting like a different person so he might have thought it would seem more realistic if he had the medallion off) so I could see why people would think this but I think that IBAChandler is Chris.

==See also==
*[[Fridays After Five]]
*[[Ian Brandon Anderson]]

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