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User:Xavier

2020-03-02T14:24:33Z

Xavier: Blanked the page

Talk:Rocky Shoemaker call

2011-12-13T22:28:26Z

Xavier:

== Proposed speedy deletion ==
To be honest, I'm not entirely comfortable with this being here, but not for the reasons you think. While technically Virginia allows for recording calls with the consent of one party (i.e. the party that's recording), I think Rocky might be bothered by a private call being here. Unlike Chris, she most likely has an IQ greater than that of a brick and would be bothered by the invasion of her privacy and that sort of thing. Secondly, why do we have to have the entire conversation here? That's what irks me sometimes, people think we need to mirror and host everything connected with Chris. I don't think so, I think we should just cite the audio file and that's sufficient as opposed to having an entire article about the call with a full transcript. Thirdly, I think this would set a dangerous precedent, as I'd rather not see people harass people connected to Chris for content. These people, unlike Chris, probably do mind if a stranger calls them, talks about their acquaintance with Chris, however nebulous, and then posts their private call for the entire Internet to see.

I realize that this provides valuable information but I'd rather see this information obtained through other means, such as public records or that sort of thing.

If we are to keep it, I'd recommend wikifying the transcript and categorizing the call.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:40, 11 December 2011 (PST)

:Champ is good people and I agree with him. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 06:59, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Thirded, really. God damn. --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 07:13, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Nah fuck Rocky. She isn't some innocent person who got caught up in this Chris business like the Wallflower, she's been interfering with our work since day 1 and manipulating the Chandlers since time immemorial. IMO she deserves to be fucked with a lil' bit. --[[User:Thorg|Thorg]] 13:33, 12 December 2011 (PST)

** I felt the same way Champ, until I listened to the call and realized that Rocky isn't as "innocent" in this as she seems. I mean really. She tells this caller that she needs some ID or some consent from the lawyer before she talks...and then instead of hanging up like a good person would, she continues to <s>gab</s>talk about Chris anyway. I agree that this information would have been better collected another way...and that everyone who has dealings with Chris don't necessarily need to be trolled too to get information about Chris. I guess what I'm saying is this: This doesn't need it's own page, but I believe it should be noted in the Rocky Shoemaker article that there is audio of a call between a troll pretending to be a doctor and her and that she gave some information about the Chandler's living condition. And then a link to the audio file could be given. This whole transcript isn't necessary; is it really all that shocking that the Chandler house is a filthy, invested, mess? --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 08:30, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*** The infestation had everything to do with the topic of meeting at Christian's house and wasn't "gabbing". -- [[User:Mexican|Mexican]] 08:45, 11 December 2011 (PST)
**I agree with Champ. When push come to shove, Rocky got more resources and smarts than Chris. Having the contents of that call here might irks her. I agree with adding some snippets of the calls in a form of "Rocky said..."and let the whole audio as a reference out of the CWCki. Yes, no shit is too small but we need to think about any liability that can come from this. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 09:16, 11 December 2011 (PST)

***No liability would come from it, we're documenting something that was obtained from someone else, so CWCKI can't get in trouble for hosting it, same as FOX news can't get in trouble for reporting on something, even if they obtained the information from someone that stole it, unless they told the person to steal it. But I feel that this should only be reference to in the Rocky article with a link to the call, people involved with Chris don't need to be troubled by trolls.--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 12:21, 11 December 2011 (PST)

I honestly think that since, as [[Champthom]] pointed out in his post, that since Virginia is a one-party state, there are no legal repercussions to posting the full (or contents of) the transcript of the conversation online. As to the issue of whether or not the full transcript should be posted, I'm in favor of moving the transcript to a different article and setting aside this article for posting and bolding the relevant parts of the conversation and posting information about the consequences of this new information.--[[User:Osideguy92|Osideguy92]] 12:27, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Having the transcript here is important to have, but shouldn't be used as much. This definitely needs to have relevant information listed here, and wikifyed. As for Rocky realizing it's all on here, it's her own fault for gabbing with a troll. I don't think this can really be deleted, it does present some important info, I just think it needs to be cleaned up, and most of it's information posted where it needs to go. Basically, if you get rid of this article, where are you going to link the new info to? [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 12:54, 11 December 2011 (PST)

**Having said that, I'm not sure what the qualifier for "Not supposed to be here yet" Means. I mean, if this was part of someone's trolling plan, then they should have had the sense not to make it publicly available. If someone ruined their own trolling plan because they leaked this stuff, again, that's their own fault, and I don't think the CwCki should have to delete an article to preserve trolling plans. Of course, if an admin or whoever feels it is important enough to delete, I'm sure that it will happen anyways. [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 12:57, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*** Not that it's relevant (as this guy already finished with what he was doing), but while the CWCki doesn't *have* to do anything, us being bitchy and saying "you fucked up so now we're going to ruin your trolling plans" would be counterproductive. Chronicling the information *right now* is less important than producing content.
:: "where are you going to link the new info to?" If this is asking what I think it's asking, not having content here for a while longer just means those analyses and links have to wait a few days. It's not really problematic. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 13:06, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*I mostly agree, except that while I as a person wouldn't bother trying to harass people that Know Chris for information, I don't see anyway to really prevent trolls from doing that. I suppose by removing this it gives a point that we wouldn't post information obtained from harassing people that know Chris. This would of course, require deleting all the prank calls that involve Barb and Bob. In the end, this is a conversation that does involve Chris and the Chandler Household, and thus it should be back. Now if this was different and say, a Troll trying and failing to talk to Rocky, then yes I would support deleting this. But in the end, the call did produce info about Chris, and it should be around on here. Perhaps Rocky will learn to not gab especially after she already told the Doctor she needed dox. [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 13:06, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:I've still not seen a compelling reason not to take this down for now - ya'll got a couple of hours or I'm taking it down. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 13:37, 11 December 2011 (PST)
::If Chris hasn't yet seen it, and learns of this because of it being on the CWCki, it might lead him to respond to deny/deflect the statements made about the house, Bob, etc. [[User:tugboatz|tugboatz]] 13:29, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:: I think it's important to keep this information available. Perhaps we don't need an entire page for it (especially because bringing Rocky's wrath upon us isn't wise, regardless of her actual abilities) but for those who don't visit the forums or /cwc/ this is still interesting Chris-related info. Maybe put a synopsis under a new header on Rocky's page, sans transcript and audio file? Then, if anybody desperately NEEDS To hear it, they can go dig it up elsewhere. Thoughts? -- [[User:AK27|AK27]] 14:31, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*I'm not agreeing with the whole "gabbing" defense as a means to keep this up. Fooling a little old church lady (who has likely been struggling with the same Chandler issues as many White Knights before her...promotion of hygiene, socialization, more hygiene) into thinking she's chatting with a legitimate doctor, (Easily done to an American when you add an English accent by the way. Just ask anyone who likes Hugh Grant movies.) and winding up finding out that a house full of garbage and old food has bugs in it may be noteworthy. That doesn't mean she's a gossip, nor does it necessarily need dedicated page. Just one Lurkers opinion. <3 --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 14:32, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Don't take this down. I listened to the call and I found it to have some interesting info. There's no liability, as far as I can tell. And having the transcript up somewhere easily accessible is useful. I have no life, so I have plenty of time to listen to calls. But some people don't always feel like sitting through calls and want to read transcripts. Also being able to search for snippets is useful. I'm taking off the deletion template. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 14:52, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Not to lawyer up, but one party consent gets really sticky when the second party is out of state or the conversation could be deemed "private" like Champ first mentioned. I gasped and cackled like any other heartless freak mind you, but this could very well be slightly mildly illegal sort of kind of. A little. --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 15:09, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:Published on the public domain. Whattheygonnado? --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 16:20, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:Thing is, we have a lot of calls like this. We have lots of calls with the Chandlers and all sorts of people. Like prank calls and shit. They very well might be illegal. They're either all illegal or none of them are illegal. I'm not a lawyer. I kinda don't care right now because I don't think anyone is going to complain about people publishing prank calls on the internet. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 16:35, 11 December 2011 (PST)

* ''CWC Wiki, where no shit is too minor''...except when there's more than a manchild involved. Seriously, if we're supposed to document everything that happens in Christian's life, why shouldn't we keep the call? We've already got plenty of calls like this, and it's been clearly stated that there can't be any legal trouble. Of course, Rocky's privacy will be a little diminished, but not more than it already has been thanks to the forums and PVCC. As you can see in the call, she's already getting calls from trolls who are just trying too hard. I think the call should stay, if we take it down, why wouldn't we do the same with all other calls, and Rocky-related content? Also, I don't get why people get so much troll's remorse because of Rocky. Does nobody remember that she's the one who told Chris that he doesn't need therapy? Way to go. --[[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 03:21, 12 December 2011 (PST)
:You're not the first to drag up our slogan in to discussions recently. But here's the thing - it's actually a very good thing that we have discussions about new material like this. It's part of what makes a wiki good - people having different views, ideas and opinions which help to shape the content of the wiki. I made my post about wanting to bring forward the deletion in order to hasten the arguments of others so we didn't ponder for too long on the issue of deletion - at that point it seems some very good arguments had been made for deletion and not many against, and that means if it warranted deletion, it warranted a far quicker close to the discussion.
:Yes we have prank calls on the CWCki already, but that's more of a maintenance of status quo rather than a concerted effort to keep them here. Similar to the [[fail]] article, people can't make up their mind one way or another. I didn't want this article to be the same and the debate to stagnate. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 10:14, 12 December 2011 (PST)
::So, to make a brief resume: we got some new, important content about Christian in the form of a phone call like many others (other calls that the CWC Wiki still hosts or mirrors), but it'll be deleted because some people feel uneasy about having it here. I can't see the logic behind all this. I think that some people are just scared about this call bringing legal trouble to the CWC Wiki (it's still a perfectly legal and valid call), and fearing that Rocky's privacy will be violated (I still don't know how, since the call doesn't reveal any personal information about Rocky). By the way, I'd like to know which are those "very good arguments". Cheers. --[[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 11:19, 12 December 2011 (PST)
::Well it won't be deleted as we resolved not to delete it. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 13:07, 12 December 2011 (PST)

== Sectioning off the call ==

Perhaps we should split up the transcript, i.e. like the father call, where some sections highlight what is going on in the call?

Thoughts anyone? [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 15:16, 12 December 2011 (PST)
:That call is broken up because it's over 2 hours long. This one isn't even 20 minutes. This is something people can listen to easily in one sitting, so I don't think adding sections would be helpful. On the other hand, the only effect I can see it having is breaking the concentration of people who are reading while listening. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 15:26, 12 December 2011 (PST)

*Well I meant obviously it wouldn't have as many sections, I just meant the possibility of splitting some of it up. Is there some sort of guideline to when it's a good idea vs when it isn't? [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 02:55, 13 December 2011 (PST)
::Sections in transcripts are more of a sometimes-necessary evil than anything else. If people aren't having trouble navigating the call as-is, there's no real advantage to breaking it apart. As far as I'm aware, nobody's complained about this call being hard to follow. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 04:13, 13 December 2011 (PST)

:::I had no problem following the call while reading over my gf's shoulder as she read through too. And usually that's harder to do than reading at your own pace. Also it didn't take long at all. I'd say it doesn't need sections. [[User:BubonicTheHedgehog|BubonicTheHedgehog]] 11:33, 13 December 2011 (PST)

::::What an amazing and incredibly valuable fact for the CWCki. The call won't be split up, I guess that's the end of it. --[[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 14:28, 13 December 2011 (PST)

Talk:Rocky Shoemaker call

2011-12-12T19:19:38Z

Xavier:

== Proposed speedy deletion ==
To be honest, I'm not entirely comfortable with this being here, but not for the reasons you think. While technically Virginia allows for recording calls with the consent of one party (i.e. the party that's recording), I think Rocky might be bothered by a private call being here. Unlike Chris, she most likely has an IQ greater than that of a brick and would be bothered by the invasion of her privacy and that sort of thing. Secondly, why do we have to have the entire conversation here? That's what irks me sometimes, people think we need to mirror and host everything connected with Chris. I don't think so, I think we should just cite the audio file and that's sufficient as opposed to having an entire article about the call with a full transcript. Thirdly, I think this would set a dangerous precedent, as I'd rather not see people harass people connected to Chris for content. These people, unlike Chris, probably do mind if a stranger calls them, talks about their acquaintance with Chris, however nebulous, and then posts their private call for the entire Internet to see.

I realize that this provides valuable information but I'd rather see this information obtained through other means, such as public records or that sort of thing.

If we are to keep it, I'd recommend wikifying the transcript and categorizing the call.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:40, 11 December 2011 (PST)

:Champ is good people and I agree with him. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 06:59, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Thirded, really. God damn. --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 07:13, 11 December 2011 (PST)

** I felt the same way Champ, until I listened to the call and realized that Rocky isn't as "innocent" in this as she seems. I mean really. She tells this caller that she needs some ID or some consent from the lawyer before she talks...and then instead of hanging up like a good person would, she continues to <s>gab</s>talk about Chris anyway. I agree that this information would have been better collected another way...and that everyone who has dealings with Chris don't necessarily need to be trolled too to get information about Chris. I guess what I'm saying is this: This doesn't need it's own page, but I believe it should be noted in the Rocky Shoemaker article that there is audio of a call between a troll pretending to be a doctor and her and that she gave some information about the Chandler's living condition. And then a link to the audio file could be given. This whole transcript isn't necessary; is it really all that shocking that the Chandler house is a filthy, invested, mess? --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 08:30, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*** The infestation had everything to do with the topic of meeting at Christian's house and wasn't "gabbing". -- [[User:Mexican|Mexican]] 08:45, 11 December 2011 (PST)
**I agree with Champ. When push come to shove, Rocky got more resources and smarts than Chris. Having the contents of that call here might irks her. I agree with adding some snippets of the calls in a form of "Rocky said..."and let the whole audio as a reference out of the CWCki. Yes, no shit is too small but we need to think about any liability that can come from this. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 09:16, 11 December 2011 (PST)

***No liability would come from it, we're documenting something that was obtained from someone else, so CWCKI can't get in trouble for hosting it, same as FOX news can't get in trouble for reporting on something, even if they obtained the information from someone that stole it, unless they told the person to steal it. But I feel that this should only be reference to in the Rocky article with a link to the call, people involved with Chris don't need to be troubled by trolls.--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 12:21, 11 December 2011 (PST)

I honestly think that since, as [[Champthom]] pointed out in his post, that since Virginia is a one-party state, there are no legal repercussions to posting the full (or contents of) the transcript of the conversation online. As to the issue of whether or not the full transcript should be posted, I'm in favor of moving the transcript to a different article and setting aside this article for posting and bolding the relevant parts of the conversation and posting information about the consequences of this new information.--[[User:Osideguy92|Osideguy92]] 12:27, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Having the transcript here is important to have, but shouldn't be used as much. This definitely needs to have relevant information listed here, and wikifyed. As for Rocky realizing it's all on here, it's her own fault for gabbing with a troll. I don't think this can really be deleted, it does present some important info, I just think it needs to be cleaned up, and most of it's information posted where it needs to go. Basically, if you get rid of this article, where are you going to link the new info to? [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 12:54, 11 December 2011 (PST)

**Having said that, I'm not sure what the qualifier for "Not supposed to be here yet" Means. I mean, if this was part of someone's trolling plan, then they should have had the sense not to make it publicly available. If someone ruined their own trolling plan because they leaked this stuff, again, that's their own fault, and I don't think the CwCki should have to delete an article to preserve trolling plans. Of course, if an admin or whoever feels it is important enough to delete, I'm sure that it will happen anyways. [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 12:57, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*** Not that it's relevant (as this guy already finished with what he was doing), but while the CWCki doesn't *have* to do anything, us being bitchy and saying "you fucked up so now we're going to ruin your trolling plans" would be counterproductive. Chronicling the information *right now* is less important than producing content.
:: "where are you going to link the new info to?" If this is asking what I think it's asking, not having content here for a while longer just means those analyses and links have to wait a few days. It's not really problematic. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 13:06, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*I mostly agree, except that while I as a person wouldn't bother trying to harass people that Know Chris for information, I don't see anyway to really prevent trolls from doing that. I suppose by removing this it gives a point that we wouldn't post information obtained from harassing people that know Chris. This would of course, require deleting all the prank calls that involve Barb and Bob. In the end, this is a conversation that does involve Chris and the Chandler Household, and thus it should be back. Now if this was different and say, a Troll trying and failing to talk to Rocky, then yes I would support deleting this. But in the end, the call did produce info about Chris, and it should be around on here. Perhaps Rocky will learn to not gab especially after she already told the Doctor she needed dox. [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 13:06, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:I've still not seen a compelling reason not to take this down for now - ya'll got a couple of hours or I'm taking it down. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 13:37, 11 December 2011 (PST)
::If Chris hasn't yet seen it, and learns of this because of it being on the CWCki, it might lead him to respond to deny/deflect the statements made about the house, Bob, etc. [[User:tugboatz|tugboatz]] 13:29, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:: I think it's important to keep this information available. Perhaps we don't need an entire page for it (especially because bringing Rocky's wrath upon us isn't wise, regardless of her actual abilities) but for those who don't visit the forums or /cwc/ this is still interesting Chris-related info. Maybe put a synopsis under a new header on Rocky's page, sans transcript and audio file? Then, if anybody desperately NEEDS To hear it, they can go dig it up elsewhere. Thoughts? -- [[User:AK27|AK27]] 14:31, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*I'm not agreeing with the whole "gabbing" defense as a means to keep this up. Fooling a little old church lady (who has likely been struggling with the same Chandler issues as many White Knights before her...promotion of hygiene, socialization, more hygiene) into thinking she's chatting with a legitimate doctor, (Easily done to an American when you add an English accent by the way. Just ask anyone who likes Hugh Grant movies.) and winding up finding out that a house full of garbage and old food has bugs in it may be noteworthy. That doesn't mean she's a gossip, nor does it necessarily need dedicated page. Just one Lurkers opinion. <3 --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 14:32, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Don't take this down. I listened to the call and I found it to have some interesting info. There's no liability, as far as I can tell. And having the transcript up somewhere easily accessible is useful. I have no life, so I have plenty of time to listen to calls. But some people don't always feel like sitting through calls and want to read transcripts. Also being able to search for snippets is useful. I'm taking off the deletion template. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 14:52, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Not to lawyer up, but one party consent gets really sticky when the second party is out of state or the conversation could be deemed "private" like Champ first mentioned. I gasped and cackled like any other heartless freak mind you, but this could very well be slightly mildly illegal sort of kind of. A little. --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 15:09, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:Published on the public domain. Whattheygonnado? --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 16:20, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:Thing is, we have a lot of calls like this. We have lots of calls with the Chandlers and all sorts of people. Like prank calls and shit. They very well might be illegal. They're either all illegal or none of them are illegal. I'm not a lawyer. I kinda don't care right now because I don't think anyone is going to complain about people publishing prank calls on the internet. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 16:35, 11 December 2011 (PST)

* ''CWC Wiki, where no shit is too minor''...except when there's more than a manchild involved. Seriously, if we're supposed to document everything that happens in Christian's life, why shouldn't we keep the call? We've already got plenty of calls like this, and it's been clearly stated that there can't be any legal trouble. Of course, Rocky's privacy will be a little diminished, but not more than it already has been thanks to the forums and PVCC. As you can see in the call, she's already getting calls from trolls who are just trying too hard. I think the call should stay, if we take it down, why wouldn't we do the same with all other calls, and Rocky-related content? Also, I don't get why people get so much troll's remorse because of Rocky. Does nobody remember that she's the one who told Chris that he doesn't need therapy? Way to go. --[[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 03:21, 12 December 2011 (PST)
:You're not the first to drag up our slogan in to discussions recently. But here's the thing - it's actually a very good thing that we have discussions about new material like this. It's part of what makes a wiki good - people having different views, ideas and opinions which help to shape the content of the wiki. I made my post about wanting to bring forward the deletion in order to hasten the arguments of others so we didn't ponder for too long on the issue of deletion - at that point it seems some very good arguments had been made for deletion and not many against, and that means if it warranted deletion, it warranted a far quicker close to the discussion.
:Yes we have prank calls on the CWCki already, but that's more of a maintenance of status quo rather than a concerted effort to keep them here. Similar to the [[fail]] article, people can't make up their mind one way or another. I didn't want this article to be the same and the debate to stagnate. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 10:14, 12 December 2011 (PST)
::So, to make a brief resume: we got some new, important content about Christian in the form of a phone call like many others (other calls that the CWC Wiki still hosts or mirrors), but it'll be deleted because some people feel uneasy about having it here. I can't see the logic behind all this. I think that some people are just scared about this call bringing legal trouble to the CWC Wiki (it's still a perfectly legal and valid call), and fearing that Rocky's privacy will be violated (I still don't know how, since the call doesn't reveal any personal information about Rocky). By the way, I'd like to know which are those "very good arguments". Cheers. --[[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 11:19, 12 December 2011 (PST)

Talk:Rocky Shoemaker call

2011-12-12T11:21:15Z

Xavier:

To be honest, I'm not entirely comfortable with this being here, but not for the reasons you think. While technically Virginia allows for recording calls with the consent of one party (i.e. the party that's recording), I think Rocky might be bothered by a private call being here. Unlike Chris, she most likely has an IQ greater than that of a brick and would be bothered by the invasion of her privacy and that sort of thing. Secondly, why do we have to have the entire conversation here? That's what irks me sometimes, people think we need to mirror and host everything connected with Chris. I don't think so, I think we should just cite the audio file and that's sufficient as opposed to having an entire article about the call with a full transcript. Thirdly, I think this would set a dangerous precedent, as I'd rather not see people harass people connected to Chris for content. These people, unlike Chris, probably do mind if a stranger calls them, talks about their acquaintance with Chris, however nebulous, and then posts their private call for the entire Internet to see.

I realize that this provides valuable information but I'd rather see this information obtained through other means, such as public records or that sort of thing.

If we are to keep it, I'd recommend wikifying the transcript and categorizing the call.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:40, 11 December 2011 (PST)

:Champ is good people and I agree with him. --[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 06:59, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Thirded, really. God damn. --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 07:13, 11 December 2011 (PST)

** I felt the same way Champ, until I listened to the call and realized that Rocky isn't as "innocent" in this as she seems. I mean really. She tells this caller that she needs some ID or some consent from the lawyer before she talks...and then instead of hanging up like a good person would, she continues to <s>gab</s>talk about Chris anyway. I agree that this information would have been better collected another way...and that everyone who has dealings with Chris don't necessarily need to be trolled too to get information about Chris. I guess what I'm saying is this: This doesn't need it's own page, but I believe it should be noted in the Rocky Shoemaker article that there is audio of a call between a troll pretending to be a doctor and her and that she gave some information about the Chandler's living condition. And then a link to the audio file could be given. This whole transcript isn't necessary; is it really all that shocking that the Chandler house is a filthy, invested, mess? --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 08:30, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*** The infestation had everything to do with the topic of meeting at Christian's house and wasn't "gabbing". -- [[User:Mexican|Mexican]] 08:45, 11 December 2011 (PST)
**I agree with Champ. When push come to shove, Rocky got more resources and smarts than Chris. Having the contents of that call here might irks her. I agree with adding some snippets of the calls in a form of "Rocky said..."and let the whole audio as a reference out of the CWCki. Yes, no shit is too small but we need to think about any liability that can come from this. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 09:16, 11 December 2011 (PST)

***No liability would come from it, we're documenting something that was obtained from someone else, so CWCKI can't get in trouble for hosting it, same as FOX news can't get in trouble for reporting on something, even if they obtained the information from someone that stole it, unless they told the person to steal it. But I feel that this should only be reference to in the Rocky article with a link to the call, people involved with Chris don't need to be troubled by trolls.--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 12:21, 11 December 2011 (PST)

I honestly think that since, as [[Champthom]] pointed out in his post, that since Virginia is a one-party state, there are no legal repercussions to posting the full (or contents of) the transcript of the conversation online. As to the issue of whether or not the full transcript should be posted, I'm in favor of moving the transcript to a different article and setting aside this article for posting and bolding the relevant parts of the conversation and posting information about the consequences of this new information.--[[User:Osideguy92|Osideguy92]] 12:27, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Having the transcript here is important to have, but shouldn't be used as much. This definitely needs to have relevant information listed here, and wikifyed. As for Rocky realizing it's all on here, it's her own fault for gabbing with a troll. I don't think this can really be deleted, it does present some important info, I just think it needs to be cleaned up, and most of it's information posted where it needs to go. Basically, if you get rid of this article, where are you going to link the new info to? [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 12:54, 11 December 2011 (PST)

**Having said that, I'm not sure what the qualifier for "Not supposed to be here yet" Means. I mean, if this was part of someone's trolling plan, then they should have had the sense not to make it publicly available. If someone ruined their own trolling plan because they leaked this stuff, again, that's their own fault, and I don't think the CwCki should have to delete an article to preserve trolling plans. Of course, if an admin or whoever feels it is important enough to delete, I'm sure that it will happen anyways. [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 12:57, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*** Not that it's relevant (as this guy already finished with what he was doing), but while the CWCki doesn't *have* to do anything, us being bitchy and saying "you fucked up so now we're going to ruin your trolling plans" would be counterproductive. Chronicling the information *right now* is less important than producing content.
:: "where are you going to link the new info to?" If this is asking what I think it's asking, not having content here for a while longer just means those analyses and links have to wait a few days. It's not really problematic. —Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] ([[User talk:Freecell|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Freecell|contribs]]) 13:06, 11 December 2011 (PST)
*I mostly agree, except that while I as a person wouldn't bother trying to harass people that Know Chris for information, I don't see anyway to really prevent trolls from doing that. I suppose by removing this it gives a point that we wouldn't post information obtained from harassing people that know Chris. This would of course, require deleting all the prank calls that involve Barb and Bob. In the end, this is a conversation that does involve Chris and the Chandler Household, and thus it should be back. Now if this was different and say, a Troll trying and failing to talk to Rocky, then yes I would support deleting this. But in the end, the call did produce info about Chris, and it should be around on here. Perhaps Rocky will learn to not gab especially after she already told the Doctor she needed dox. [[User:Darkspecteranon|Darkspecteranon]] 13:06, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:I've still not seen a compelling reason not to take this down for now - ya'll got a couple of hours or I'm taking it down. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 13:37, 11 December 2011 (PST)
::If Chris hasn't yet seen it, and learns of this because of it being on the CWCki, it might lead him to respond to deny/deflect the statements made about the house, Bob, etc. [[User:tugboatz|tugboatz]] 13:29, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:: I think it's important to keep this information available. Perhaps we don't need an entire page for it (especially because bringing Rocky's wrath upon us isn't wise, regardless of her actual abilities) but for those who don't visit the forums or /cwc/ this is still interesting Chris-related info. Maybe put a synopsis under a new header on Rocky's page, sans transcript and audio file? Then, if anybody desperately NEEDS To hear it, they can go dig it up elsewhere. Thoughts? -- [[User:AK27|AK27]] 14:31, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*I'm not agreeing with the whole "gabbing" defense as a means to keep this up. Fooling a little old church lady (who has likely been struggling with the same Chandler issues as many White Knights before her...promotion of hygiene, socialization, more hygiene) into thinking she's chatting with a legitimate doctor, (Easily done to an American when you add an English accent by the way. Just ask anyone who likes Hugh Grant movies.) and winding up finding out that a house full of garbage and old food has bugs in it may be noteworthy. That doesn't mean she's a gossip, nor does it necessarily need dedicated page. Just one Lurkers opinion. <3 --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 14:32, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Don't take this down. I listened to the call and I found it to have some interesting info. There's no liability, as far as I can tell. And having the transcript up somewhere easily accessible is useful. I have no life, so I have plenty of time to listen to calls. But some people don't always feel like sitting through calls and want to read transcripts. Also being able to search for snippets is useful. I'm taking off the deletion template. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 14:52, 11 December 2011 (PST)

*Not to lawyer up, but one party consent gets really sticky when the second party is out of state or the conversation could be deemed "private" like Champ first mentioned. I gasped and cackled like any other heartless freak mind you, but this could very well be slightly mildly illegal sort of kind of. A little. --[[User:Shefap2|Shefap2]] 15:09, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:Published on the public domain. Whattheygonnado? --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 16:20, 11 December 2011 (PST)
:Thing is, we have a lot of calls like this. We have lots of calls with the Chandlers and all sorts of people. Like prank calls and shit. They very well might be illegal. They're either all illegal or none of them are illegal. I'm not a lawyer. I kinda don't care right now because I don't think anyone is going to complain about people publishing prank calls on the internet. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 16:35, 11 December 2011 (PST)

* ''CWC Wiki, where no shit is too minor''...except when there's more than a manchild involved. Seriously, if we're supposed to document everything that happens in Christian's life, why shouldn't we keep the call? We've already got plenty of calls like this, and it's been clearly stated that there can't be any legal trouble. Of course, Rocky's privacy will be a little diminished, but not more than it already has been thanks to the forums and PVCC. As you can see in the call, she's already getting calls from trolls who are just trying too hard. I think the call should stay, if we take it down, why wouldn't we do the same with all other calls, and Rocky-related content? Also, I don't get why people get so much troll's remorse because of Rocky. Does nobody remember that she's the one who told Chris that he doesn't need therapy? Way to go. --[[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 03:21, 12 December 2011 (PST)

Valentines Day Hymn

2011-02-28T22:28:50Z

Xavier: /* A correct translation */

[[Image:453-ValentineHymnCollage.JPG|thumb|right|Behold the V-Day Collage of Fail!]]

'''Valentines Day Hymn''' is one of [[Chris]]'s earliest shitty poems. He wrote it on Valentine's Day [[2000]] for his "[[CWC's Pokésite 2]]". He obviously didn't pay much attention in English, or he'd know that a "hymn" is a song with religious context.

==Text==

<poem>
'''Valentines Day Hymn.'''

2/14/2000

On the day of love and romance,
Hearts and cupids fly around.
The arrow of cupid hits a man,
And that man falls head over heels for a pretty gal.
Cards and candy go hand-to-hand,
Expressing the thoughts of love put in the poem.
Kisses are shared and fireworks are blown,
The only way that could happen is if they kissed on the 4th of July.
On a [[Dating|date]], the man could not pay the bill,
So his date slammed her door in his face.
Red and Pink are the hearty colors,
Because that's how the hearts were originally drawn.
The man's coat over a puddle,
The maiden walks,
Then the man trips and pays the laundry bill.
Under the moonlight,
The couples of the world kiss,
But unfortunately for few,
They are [[Bob walks in|interrupted by their parents]].
Night is right for love,
Except for the werewolf...
Whoops!
[[Random Access Humor|Wrong holiday]].
Happy Valentines Day to all lovers!
The cupids did a pretty good job,
Didn't they?
</poem>

==Analysis==

Chris tried his hand at free-verse with this poem. While some may see this as a bold, modern approach to poem writing, it is more likely that Chris was just too lazy to adhere to any sort of rhyming pattern or meter, instead writing down whatever the hell came out of his head without having to deal with the [[Stress|stress]] of a rigid pattern.

The poem seems to be about a [[Chris|clumsy, broke man]] and his lousy date (note the [[Women's Rights|misogynistic]] implication that the girl is shallow and only cares about money), but Chris deems it necessary to break up this story with some barely relevant thoughts on love and Valentines Day, making the poem even harder to read than it needs to be. The poem also does a great job in showing Chris's ignorance. He seems to believe that fireworks are only used on Valentines day and the Fourth of July, he has no idea what the term "hearty" means, and that apparently he thinks a woman would do her laundry on a date with a man. Chris wraps up this steaming pile of failure with a sprinkle of [[Random Access Humor|random access humor]] to ruin any sort of beauty that he lazily tries to create.

==Spanish version==
Chris wrote an alternate version for the Spanish version of the PokeSite, later put up on the [[CWCipedia]].<ref>http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php?title=CWC_Speaks</ref>

With very minor exceptions (such as the last line, which literally translates to "Yes?" as opposed to "Didn't they"?), Chris opts for the literal school of translation, opting to translate word for word without regard to the original rhythm of the poem. Some English professors might argue that this is a sort of [[fail]].

===Chris's translation===
<poem>
En el díy de amor y romance,
Corazónes y cupids volan alrededor.
La flecha de cupid choca un hombre,
Y esto hombre está enamorado por la señora bonita.
Tarjetas de amor y cande son juntos bien,
Expresan los pensamientos de amor en la poema.
Los Besos son partes y los fuegos artificales explotan,
Puede ocurrir solomente si ellos besan en el 4 de Julio.
En una cita, el hombre no puede pagar la cuenta,
Tan su novia cerra su puerta en su cara.
Rojo y Rosado son los colores del día de St. Valentin,
Porqué son los colores originales de los corazónes.
El abrigo del hombre cubre un charco,
La doncella camina,
Que el hombre baja y paga la cuenta para la ropa lavada.
En el luz de la luna, Las parejas del mundo besan,
Pero para menos, Tienen in interrupción desde sus padres.
La noche es bueno para amor,
Excepto el werewolf...
¡Hoy!
Falsa fiesta.
Feliz día de St. Valentin para todos están enamoros!
Los cupids hacen un trabajo bueno,
Sí?
</poem>

===A correct translation===

<poem>
En el día del amor y del romance,
Vuelan corazones y cupidos.
La flecha de Cupido le da a un hombre,
Y éste se enamora perdidamente de una chica bonita.
Se pasan de mano a mano cartas y dulces
Que expresan los sentimientos de amor en el poema.
Se comparten besos y estallan fuegos artificiales;
Esto sólo pasaría si se besaran el cuatro de julio.
Durante una cita, el hombre no pudo pagar la cuenta,
Por lo que la muchacha le cerró la puerta en la cara.
El rojo y el rosa son los colores del corazón
Porque así se dibujaron en un principio.
El abrigo del hombre sobre un charco,
Camina la doncella;
Luego, el hombre se tropieza y le paga al lavandero.
Bajo la luz de la luna
Se besan las parejas del mundo,
Pero, mal que le pese a algunos,
Les interrumpen sus padres.
La noche es adecuada para el amor,
Menos para el hombre lobo...
¡Uy!
Fiesta equivocada.
¡Feliz día de San Valentín a todos los enamorados!
Qué buen trabajo hicieron los cupidos,
¿No es cierto?
</poem>

==Chris's Spanish version literally translated back to English==

<poem>
In day of Romance love and,
Hearts and cupids high around.
The arrow of cupid hits a man,
and this man is enamoured by the pretty lady.
Cards of together love and good locks are,
Express the thoughts of love in the poem.
The Kisses are parts and the artificial fires explode,
Can happen single if they kiss on the 4th of July.
In an appointment, the man cannot pay the account,
So his fiancèe slamming his door in his face.
Red and Pink they are the colours of the day of St. Valentin,
Because they are the original colours of the hearts.
The shelter of the man covers a pool,
doncella walks,
That the low man and pays the account for the washed clothes.
On the light of the moon, the pairs of the world kiss,
But for less, They have in interruption from its parents.
The night is good for love,
Except werewolf…
Today!
False celebration.
Happy day of St. Valentin for all is enamoros!
Cupids makes a work good,
Yes?
</poem>

==Fan videos==

{{Infobox/Fanvideo
| name = Dramatic Reading
| video = {{#ev:youtube|1rN7PtUMMYg}}
| Stardate = 28 May 2010
| Maker = [http://www.youtube.com/user/manwithoutabody manwithoutabody]
| Subject =
| Video Type =
| Other Info = The second poem read, along with [[Hard Love Quest]] and [[Sonichu's Ode to Rosechu]].
}}

==Sauces==
<references/>

{{Writings}}

[[Category:Poetry]]

Valentines Day Hymn

2011-02-28T22:28:30Z

Xavier: /* A correct translation */

[[Image:453-ValentineHymnCollage.JPG|thumb|right|Behold the V-Day Collage of Fail!]]

'''Valentines Day Hymn''' is one of [[Chris]]'s earliest shitty poems. He wrote it on Valentine's Day [[2000]] for his "[[CWC's Pokésite 2]]". He obviously didn't pay much attention in English, or he'd know that a "hymn" is a song with religious context.

==Text==

<poem>
'''Valentines Day Hymn.'''

2/14/2000

On the day of love and romance,
Hearts and cupids fly around.
The arrow of cupid hits a man,
And that man falls head over heels for a pretty gal.
Cards and candy go hand-to-hand,
Expressing the thoughts of love put in the poem.
Kisses are shared and fireworks are blown,
The only way that could happen is if they kissed on the 4th of July.
On a [[Dating|date]], the man could not pay the bill,
So his date slammed her door in his face.
Red and Pink are the hearty colors,
Because that's how the hearts were originally drawn.
The man's coat over a puddle,
The maiden walks,
Then the man trips and pays the laundry bill.
Under the moonlight,
The couples of the world kiss,
But unfortunately for few,
They are [[Bob walks in|interrupted by their parents]].
Night is right for love,
Except for the werewolf...
Whoops!
[[Random Access Humor|Wrong holiday]].
Happy Valentines Day to all lovers!
The cupids did a pretty good job,
Didn't they?
</poem>

==Analysis==

Chris tried his hand at free-verse with this poem. While some may see this as a bold, modern approach to poem writing, it is more likely that Chris was just too lazy to adhere to any sort of rhyming pattern or meter, instead writing down whatever the hell came out of his head without having to deal with the [[Stress|stress]] of a rigid pattern.

The poem seems to be about a [[Chris|clumsy, broke man]] and his lousy date (note the [[Women's Rights|misogynistic]] implication that the girl is shallow and only cares about money), but Chris deems it necessary to break up this story with some barely relevant thoughts on love and Valentines Day, making the poem even harder to read than it needs to be. The poem also does a great job in showing Chris's ignorance. He seems to believe that fireworks are only used on Valentines day and the Fourth of July, he has no idea what the term "hearty" means, and that apparently he thinks a woman would do her laundry on a date with a man. Chris wraps up this steaming pile of failure with a sprinkle of [[Random Access Humor|random access humor]] to ruin any sort of beauty that he lazily tries to create.

==Spanish version==
Chris wrote an alternate version for the Spanish version of the PokeSite, later put up on the [[CWCipedia]].<ref>http://archive.cogsdev.org/cwcipedia/index.php?title=CWC_Speaks</ref>

With very minor exceptions (such as the last line, which literally translates to "Yes?" as opposed to "Didn't they"?), Chris opts for the literal school of translation, opting to translate word for word without regard to the original rhythm of the poem. Some English professors might argue that this is a sort of [[fail]].

===Chris's translation===
<poem>
En el díy de amor y romance,
Corazónes y cupids volan alrededor.
La flecha de cupid choca un hombre,
Y esto hombre está enamorado por la señora bonita.
Tarjetas de amor y cande son juntos bien,
Expresan los pensamientos de amor en la poema.
Los Besos son partes y los fuegos artificales explotan,
Puede ocurrir solomente si ellos besan en el 4 de Julio.
En una cita, el hombre no puede pagar la cuenta,
Tan su novia cerra su puerta en su cara.
Rojo y Rosado son los colores del día de St. Valentin,
Porqué son los colores originales de los corazónes.
El abrigo del hombre cubre un charco,
La doncella camina,
Que el hombre baja y paga la cuenta para la ropa lavada.
En el luz de la luna, Las parejas del mundo besan,
Pero para menos, Tienen in interrupción desde sus padres.
La noche es bueno para amor,
Excepto el werewolf...
¡Hoy!
Falsa fiesta.
Feliz día de St. Valentin para todos están enamoros!
Los cupids hacen un trabajo bueno,
Sí?
</poem>

===A correct translation===

<poem>
En el día del amor y del romance,
Vuelan corazones y cupidos.
La flecha de Cupido le da a un hombre,
Y éste se enamora perdidamente de una chica bonita.
Se pasan de mano a mano cartas y dulces
Que expresan los sentimientos de amor en el poema.
Se comparten besos y estallan fuegos artificiales;
Esto sólo pasaría si se besaran el cuatro de julio.
Durante una cita, el hombre no pudo pagar la cuenta,
Por lo que la muchacha le cerró la puerta en la cara.
El rojo y el rosa son los colores del corazón
Porque así se dibujaron en un principio.
El abrigo del hombre sobre un charco,
Camina la doncella;
Luego, el hombre se tropieza y le paga al lavandero.
Bajo la luz de la luna
Se besan las parejas del mundo,
Pero, mal que le pese a algunos,
Les interrumpen sus padres.
La noche es adecuada para el amor,
Menos para el hombre lobo...
¡Uy!
Fiesta equivocada.
¡Feliz día de San Valentín a todos los enamorados!
Qué buen trabajo hicieron los cupidos,
¿No?
</poem>

==Chris's Spanish version literally translated back to English==

<poem>
In day of Romance love and,
Hearts and cupids high around.
The arrow of cupid hits a man,
and this man is enamoured by the pretty lady.
Cards of together love and good locks are,
Express the thoughts of love in the poem.
The Kisses are parts and the artificial fires explode,
Can happen single if they kiss on the 4th of July.
In an appointment, the man cannot pay the account,
So his fiancèe slamming his door in his face.
Red and Pink they are the colours of the day of St. Valentin,
Because they are the original colours of the hearts.
The shelter of the man covers a pool,
doncella walks,
That the low man and pays the account for the washed clothes.
On the light of the moon, the pairs of the world kiss,
But for less, They have in interruption from its parents.
The night is good for love,
Except werewolf…
Today!
False celebration.
Happy day of St. Valentin for all is enamoros!
Cupids makes a work good,
Yes?
</poem>

==Fan videos==

{{Infobox/Fanvideo
| name = Dramatic Reading
| video = {{#ev:youtube|1rN7PtUMMYg}}
| Stardate = 28 May 2010
| Maker = [http://www.youtube.com/user/manwithoutabody manwithoutabody]
| Subject =
| Video Type =
| Other Info = The second poem read, along with [[Hard Love Quest]] and [[Sonichu's Ode to Rosechu]].
}}

==Sauces==
<references/>

{{Writings}}

[[Category:Poetry]]

User:Clydec/Appeal

2010-11-04T16:27:00Z

Xavier:

Hi, this is Clyde Cash, writing Champthom's appeal because he is too busy solving mysteries and destroying America.

You should donate money. If you don't, I will destroy you. Click the tugboat in the bottom left.

-- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 17:51, 3 November 2010 (PDT)

Sure, just wait a minute, little dirty jews. [[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 09:22, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

*okay thanks, although i think we might now be stable. if the cwcki goes down again. SIGHHHHHHHHHHHH -- [[User:Clydec|Clyde]] 09:24, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

*and how much does the hosting cost, anyways? [[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 09:27, 4 November 2010 (PDT)

==lolno==

[[File:NTWRL01-1-.gif]]

--[[User:ChuChuBean|ChuChuBean]] 19:29, 3 November 2010 (PDT)
:No, ChuChuBean, munch on my taint. [[User:Canine|Canine]] 19:38, 3 November 2010 (PDT)

User:Clydec/Appeal

2010-11-04T16:22:16Z

Xavier:

Talk:Lars Is Jivin'.MP4

2010-10-03T20:17:48Z

Xavier:

if no one else wants to im gonna get to transcribin' dis...BITCH! --This post brought to you by [[User:ShotgunJones|ShotgunJones]] 17:45, 30 September 2010 (PDT). Thanks for reading!
*and done, except for that part after he throws the tape dispenser where he picks up the camera and says stuff that i can't hear. if anyone wants to try and figure out what the hell he's saying, by my guest. --This post brought to you by [[User:ShotgunJones|ShotgunJones]] 17:49, 30 September 2010 (PDT). Thanks for reading!

I feel like this is the "Part 2" of something. Maybe the manchild dint figured a way to post them in order. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 17:55, 30 September 2010 (PDT)
* These which were uploaded a few days ago: [[Lars' Ship has Sunk.MOV]] and [[New Address]] [[User:Arius|Arius]] 18:12, 30 September 2010 (PDT)
:* Nice theory. I just forgot that Chris is the type of moron who thinks that everyone follows his words to the letter. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 18:23, 30 September 2010 (PDT)
::That's sarcasm, right Griffintown? Tell me you didn't just type that sentence straight-faced on the CWCki of all places...-[[User:Beemunk|Beemunk]] 23:12, 30 September 2010 (PDT)

Damn Chris pulled that video super quick [[User:ShinGokuIAM|ShinGokuIAM]] 19:17, 30 September 2010 (PDT)
:Awh... somebody mirror that shit... though it sounds like it was particularly short, and not very informative; no shit's too minor. maybe he's finally gotten to checkign shit after he uploads them?--[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 19:43, 30 September 2010 (PDT)
::I managed to recover the video from my browser cache - just switched the links over. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 19:55, 30 September 2010 (PDT)

== Them gifs in thumbs ain't no wokin' fr me ==

:( --[[User:Sonijew is back|Sonijew is back]] 04:23, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
:* Dint work for me neither. Dint work in the thumbnail or in a "shrunk" format. the original is working, if used full-size. My mad editing skillz don't work on this issue. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 06:17, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
::*It works for me. Maybe it's your browser.--[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 07:08, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
:::They usually won't animoot if you resize the in-line image. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 08:44, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
::::Yeah, I couldn't get it to animate properly when I put it up. Now it's been replaced by a black man. That's affirmative action for you. --[[User:TubularMonkey|TubularMonkey]] 09:22, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
:::::...You don't read Asperchu do you? That black man is Jivin, one of Asperchu's joy-boys. --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 11:10, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
::::::I know who Jivin is. *stress sigh* --[[User:TubularMonkey|TubularMonkey]] 12:08, 1 October 2010 (PDT)

== Quality is worse ==

I noticed the video and audio quality is as bad as it was last year. Is Chris using his older PS Eye or is it because of the MP4 file format? I know MP4 quality is horrible compared to MOV. --[[User:Vofdoom38|VofDoom38]] 17:10, 1 October 2010 (PDT)
:He edited the video, so it's probably due to that. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 17:40, 1 October 2010 (PDT)

== Boy ==

He is using sterotypically "black" words but I really don't think that he means "boy" to be a racial slur. I've heard many people, generally older, refer to younger men this way to put them in there place. I know that since Chris lives in the South he may have heard the racist version of it, also used to put people "in their place", but I just don't think it was his intention. After all it is a very old usage of the word and black people do use the word "boy" as well. I think he is just stupidly parroting things he's heard black people say. If he wanted to be racist he'd have said nigger like he did with Tito.--[[User:Svek|Švek]] 19:52, 2 October 2010 (PDT)

== On a boat, motherfucker, on a motherfucking boat ==

The Context of these supposed boats suggest model kit boats (not an actual yacht or boat, as may be within the "Gangsta Rapper" paradigm), which would be an upper-class hobby for anybody, irrelivant to race. Think it's worth mentioning? --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] 20:42, 2 October 2010 (PDT)
*Or maybe Lars is an aspie... Or perhaps boats are an allegory for the PS3 and Chris is oblivious to the irony of what he's saying. [[User:CrassCrab|CrassCrab]] 20:46, 2 October 2010 (PDT)
**Sooooo, what I was saying in Chris and Hypocrisy? Of course, unlike his games and such, model boats are meant to be collected and not played with or anything, like, lets say, antique swords. But supposing this is real, there is a problem when people leave you because you spend all your money on model boats. But this isn't about him, this is about Chris. --[[User:SerenityMoonstone|SerenityMoonstone]] 23:50, 2 October 2010
:::*Crass hit the nail on the head with suggesting it's an allegory. Serenity, never assume anything going on with Chris and a sweetheart is real. And Xavier, it does seem that way; add it to Chris and Race if you want. --[[User:Caboose -1|Caboose -1]] 21:58, 2 October 2010 (PDT)
::::*Well, Chris pointed out that Jivin bought paint sets for boats that he doesn't even own. Remember that Chris bought expansions and stuff for games that he doesn't have (going as far as buying games and not playing them), so, in this saga, boats=PS3/PS3 games. At least that's my opinion. [[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 13:15, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

Talk:Lars Is Jivin'.MP4

2010-10-03T20:15:29Z

Xavier:

User:Xavier

2010-09-29T21:26:46Z

Xavier:

'''''E intentar, el resto de nuestras vidas, encontrar la virtud y perfeccionarnos.'''''

[[File:Xavier_033.jpg]]

User:Xavier

2010-09-29T21:26:24Z

Xavier:

'''''E intentar, el resto de nuestras vidas, encontrar la virtud y perfeccionarnos.'''''

Talk:Main Page

2010-09-28T14:38:05Z

Xavier: /* I suggest this Video of the Now */

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==Protect the templates==
Seeing how the main page itself is protected, why not protect the templates as well? [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 16:49, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
*There's already cascading protection for all the front page templates. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:51, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
*Stop freaking out about this spammer shit, Champ has it under control --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 16:53, 11 September 2010 (PDT)

== new vid ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzAJvMKQeJA&feature=player_embedded

can't add news so there you go--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 13:38, 16 September 2010 (PDT)

==Can this be the new Quote of the Now, please?==

{{quote|I've learned... from my father; he taught and showed me which male ends go into which female ends.|Wallflower E-mails.}}

[[User:Bunsteaks|Bunsteaks]] 13:28, 25 September 2010 (PDT)

==I suggest this for the Video of the Now==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmFHPbaNT04 [[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 07:37, 28 September 2010 (PDT)

Talk:Main Page

2010-09-28T14:37:20Z

Xavier:

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'''Archives''': [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 1|1]] [[Talk:Main Page/Archive 2|2]]

==Protect the templates==
Seeing how the main page itself is protected, why not protect the templates as well? [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs]] 16:49, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
*There's already cascading protection for all the front page templates. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:51, 11 September 2010 (PDT)
*Stop freaking out about this spammer shit, Champ has it under control --[[User:Megaman|Megaman]] 16:53, 11 September 2010 (PDT)

== new vid ==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzAJvMKQeJA&feature=player_embedded

can't add news so there you go--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 13:38, 16 September 2010 (PDT)

==Can this be the new Quote of the Now, please?==

{{quote|I've learned... from my father; he taught and showed me which male ends go into which female ends.|Wallflower E-mails.}}

[[User:Bunsteaks|Bunsteaks]] 13:28, 25 September 2010 (PDT)

==I suggest this Video of the Now==

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmFHPbaNT04 [[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 07:37, 28 September 2010 (PDT)

Anti Troll Movement Video1

2010-09-27T09:19:58Z

Xavier: /* Transcript */

[[File:datface1.png|thumb|200px|[[Audiobooks|LOOK AT THAT FACE GOD DAMN]].]]

'''Anti Troll Movement Video1''' is a video [[Chris]] uploaded on 26 [[September 2010]]. He sings the same song about [[trolls]] featured in his [[Flipnote Hatena|Flipnote]] animation [[Don'tGetTrolled!|Don'tGetTrolled]], apparently in hopes of promoting an "Anti-Troll Cyber Bully Movement". Surprisingly, Chris was able to recite the lyrics with a good deal of accuracy, even though he completely missed the original point of the song.

In the latter half of the video (which, completely contrary to the alleged topic of the video, has nothing to do with anti-trolling), he lists the "sponsors" of his video, including ''[[ModNation Racers]]'', and [[Chris_and_health#Hygiene|Oil of Olay soap]]. Considering he is wearing the same t-shirt he [[Lars' Ship has Sunk.MOV|wore the day before]], his promotion of personal hygiene products is rather ironic. Chris specifying and praising anti-dandruff formula haircare highly suggests that he has dandruff; a safe assumption and an easy bet.

In essence: Chris once again [[Family_guy#Influence_on_Chris| doesn't get the point of the original message]] of [[Parody| what he steals]], nor does he apply [[Cwcipedia#CWCipedia_closed_due_to_A.28I.29DS|previously learned lessons]] and [[Wallflower_E-mails_3|repeats the mistakes of the past]].

At this point, Procter & Gamble (the owners of Oil of Olay)'s reaction is unknown.
{{clear}}

==Video==
{{Infobox/video
| name = Anti Troll Movement Video1
| video = {{#ev:youtube|EgZijKM17Kw}}
| stardate = 26 [[September 2010]]
| subject = {{Trollsicon|text}}
| style = {{Smug|text}}
| shirt = {{BrickFestShirt|text}}
| previous = [[Lars' Ship has Sunk.MOV]]
| next = Current
| saga =
}}
{{quote|Oil of Olay brand bar soap... Softer, smoother skin in a week or so! And, not only that, it gets you clean, and it makes you smell good|Chris on the benefits of washing}}

===Transcript===
[''Chris turns on the camera and speaks in an odd sing-song rhythm.'']

And now, a very, encouraging, song.

[''He begins singing to what is apparently the tune of 'Be Our Guest' from "Beauty and the Beast."'']

Youuuu've beeeen trolled 
You've been trolled 
You have PROB-ly been told 
Don't reply...
[[File:Christler.jpg|thumb|right|Haben Sie einen schönen Tag, mein Führer.]]
[''He turns away and reaches for a crudely-drawn picture of a troll, which he holds up through the song and after.'']

To this guy 
He is just getting a rise 
Out of you 
Yes, it's true 
You respond and that's his cue 
You start trouble on the double 
While he strokes his manly stubble

You've been trolled 
You've been trolled 
You should probably just fold 
When the only winning move is not to plaaaay

Then you keep on trying 
Endlessly replying 
You've been trolled 
You've been trolled 
Havnicedaaay!

[''The singing ends.'']

This video, portraying and projecting the Anti-Troll Cyber Bully Movement...

[''He puts down the troll picture.'']

...has been brought to you by ''[[ModNation Racers]]'' and...

[''He holds up a box of soap.'']

...Oil of Olay brand bar soap, and other things. Softer, smoother skin in a week or so! And, not only that, it gets you clean, and it makes you smell good...

[''Chris [[Homo|drops the soap.]]'']

I just used it to wash my hands! And I use it in the shower! To [[Mass debating|wash myself vigorously!]] I certainly do not use any animals, my own jizz, or anything else other than Oil of Olay brand bars of soap. And [[Axe]] body wash. And shampoo, and conditioner. Available in anti-dandruff form! But anyway, Oil of Olay. Softer, smoother skin in a week, and makes you very clean. Have a nice day!

[''Chris throws up a Nazi salute and turns off the camera.'']

{{clear}}

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[Lars' Ship has Sunk.MOV]]|nextlink=Current}}
{{Troll Videos}}

[[Category:Videos Christian uploaded to YouTube]]

User talk:Xavier

2010-09-09T13:33:16Z

Xavier: Blanked the page

User talk:Xavier

2010-09-06T19:05:01Z

Xavier: Created page with " == Hi ha molta maldat en este mon! =="

== Hi ha molta maldat en este mon! ==

Haters Gonna Hate.MOV

2010-09-06T18:59:39Z

Xavier: /* Transcript */

'''Haters Gonna Hate''' is a video released on 6 [[September 2010]]. In it, a smug [[Chris]] dismisses the various rumors about his death, and announces that he's going to distance himself from the [[trolls]] and the [[Internet]] ([[Chris_and_the_internet#Attempts_to_leave_the_Internet|again]]).

This video marks the return of the [[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion]] after being missing for half the year. Also, following the [[PS3]] destruction videos, it's possible to see a PS3 on the top shelf, next to the [[television]]. It may be a new one, but it's also possible that Chris kept the case of the old one as a memento. If it is the old one, it once again forms part of [[List of Chris's Lies|Chris's inability to tell the truth]], since he said he would be [[ItIsFinished.MOV|disposing of it in a dumpster]].

== Video ==

{{Infobox/video
| name = Haters gonna hate.mov
| video = {{#ev:youtube|N3KX-1o2WRU}}
| stardate = 6 September 2010
| subject = {{Rumors|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[ItIsFinished.MOV]]
| next = Current
}}

===Transcript===

[[image:PS3Alive.png|thumb|''I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.'']]

''*[[sigh]]*'' September... ''[counting under his breath]'' 4..5...[[Chris and English|''sits'']]! Two thousand ten.

I am ''not'' [[dead]]. ''[dramatic [[glasses]] removal]'' I am very much alive, [[Chris and health|healthy and well]]! And I aims to keep it that way. So don't believe any god damn rumors from the dang trolls, 'cause they always gotta be falsified. ''[pause]'' And I'll tell ya something else - [[Patti Chandler|Patti]] ain't dug up! She's still underground! All them trolls are doing between their forums and their lies and their dang rumors they spread is just blowing a bunch of ''smoke''. ''[pause]'' So, what do you ''[mumbles]'' should you believe a whole bunch of smoke? No. Because all there is is smoke is just a bunch of ''[mumbles]'' web of [[lies]].

''[Long pause]''

So there. And also, I am going to ignore the trolls and they are not going to bother me anymore. I am regaining control of my life. They have played with me for long enough and they're not going to play with me anymore! I'm not going to let them. And also I will say another thing. ''[Starts digging into his pocket, fishing out some sort of string]'' Haters. ''[Twirls string]'' Are gonna. Hate. Pew! ''[Throws it, turns off camera]''

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[ItIsFinished.MOV]]|nextlink=Current}}

{{Captain's Log}}

Haters Gonna Hate.MOV

2010-09-06T18:57:46Z

Xavier: /* Transcript */

'''Haters Gonna Hate''' is a video released on 6 [[September 2010]]. In it, a smug [[Chris]] dismisses the various rumors about his death, and announces that he's going to distance himself from the [[trolls]] and the [[Internet]] ([[Chris_and_the_internet#Attempts_to_leave_the_Internet|again]]).

This video marks the return of the [[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion]] after being missing for half the year. Also, following the [[PS3]] destruction videos, it's possible to see a PS3 on the top shelf, next to the [[television]]. It may be a new one, but it's also possible that Chris kept the case of the old one as a memento. If it is the old one, it once again forms part of [[List of Chris's Lies|Chris's inability to tell the truth]], since he said he would be [[ItIsFinished.MOV|disposing of it in a dumpster]].

== Video ==

{{Infobox/video
| name = Haters gonna hate.mov
| video = {{#ev:youtube|N3KX-1o2WRU}}
| stardate = 6 September 2010
| subject = {{Rumors|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[ItIsFinished.MOV]]
| next = Current
}}

===Transcript===

[[image:PS3Alive.png|thumb|''I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.'']]

''*[[sigh]]*'' September... ''[counting under his breath]'' 4..5...[[Chris and English|''sits'']]! Two thousand ten.

I am ''not'' [[dead]]. ''[dramatic [[glasses]] removal]'' I am very much alive, [[Chris and health|healthy and well]]! And I aims to keep it that way. So don't believe any god damn rumors from the dang trolls, 'cause they always gotta be falsified. ''[pause]'' And I'll tell ya something else - [[Patti Chandler|Patti]] ain't dug up! She's still underground! All them trolls are doing between their forums and their lies and their dang rumors they spread is just blowing a bunch of ''smoke''. ''[pause]'' So, what do you ''[mumbles]'' should you believe a whole bunch of smoke? No. Because all there is is smoke is just a bunch of ''[mumbles]'' web of [[lies]].

''[Long pause]''

So there. And also, I am going to ignore the trolls and they are not going to bother me anymore. I am regaining control of my life. They have played with me for long enough and they're not going to play with me anymore! I'm not going to let them. Now, also I will say another thing. ''[Starts digging into his pocket, fishing out some sort of string]'' Haters. ''[Twirls string]'' Are gonna. Hate. Pew! ''[Throws it, turns off camera]''

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[ItIsFinished.MOV]]|nextlink=Current}}

{{Captain's Log}}

Haters Gonna Hate.MOV

2010-09-06T18:55:46Z

Xavier: /* Transcript */

'''Haters Gonna Hate''' is a video released on 6 [[September 2010]]. In it, a smug [[Chris]] dismisses the various rumors about his death, and announces that he's going to distance himself from the [[trolls]] and the [[Internet]] ([[Chris_and_the_internet#Attempts_to_leave_the_Internet|again]]).

This video marks the return of the [[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion]] after being missing for half the year. Also, following the [[PS3]] destruction videos, it's possible to see a PS3 on the top shelf, next to the [[television]]. It may be a new one, but it's also possible that Chris kept the case of the old one as a memento. If it is the old one, it once again forms part of [[List of Chris's Lies|Chris's inability to tell the truth]], since he said he would be [[ItIsFinished.MOV|disposing of it in a dumpster]].

== Video ==

{{Infobox/video
| name = Haters gonna hate.mov
| video = {{#ev:youtube|N3KX-1o2WRU}}
| stardate = 6 September 2010
| subject = {{Rumors|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[ItIsFinished.MOV]]
| next = Current
}}

===Transcript===

[[image:PS3Alive.png|thumb|''I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.'']]

''*[[sigh]]*'' September... ''[counting under his breath]'' 4..5...[[Chris and English|''sits'']]! Two thousand ten.

I am ''not'' [[dead]]. ''[dramatic [[glasses]] removal]'' I am very much alive, [[Chris and health|healthy and well]]! And I aims to keep it that way. So don't believe any god damn rumors from the dang trolls, 'cause they always gotta be falsified. ''[pause]'' And I'll tell ya something else - [[Patti Chandler|Patti]] ain't dug up! She's still underground! All them trolls are doing between their forums and their lies and their dang rumors they spread is just blowing a bunch of ''smoke''. ''[pause]'' So, what do you ''[mumbles]'' should you believe a whole bunch of smoke? No. Because all there is is smoke is just a bunch of ''[mumbles]'' web of [[lies]].

''[Long pause]''

So there. And also, I am going to ignore the trolls and they are not going to bother me anymore. I am regaining control of my life. They have played with me long enough and they're not going to play with me anymore! I'm not going to let them. Now, also I will say another thing. ''[Starts digging into his pocket, fishing out some sort of string]'' Haters. ''[Twirls string]'' Are gonna. Hate. Pew! ''[Throws it, turns off camera]''

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[ItIsFinished.MOV]]|nextlink=Current}}

{{Captain's Log}}

Haters Gonna Hate.MOV

2010-09-06T18:52:03Z

Xavier: /* Transcript */

'''Haters Gonna Hate''' is a video released on 6 [[September 2010]]. In it, a smug [[Chris]] dismisses the various rumors about his death, and announces that he's going to distance himself from the [[trolls]] and the [[Internet]] ([[Chris_and_the_internet#Attempts_to_leave_the_Internet|again]]).

This video marks the return of the [[Medallions of Fail|Sonichu medallion]] after being missing for half the year. Also, following the [[PS3]] destruction videos, it's possible to see a PS3 on the top shelf, next to the [[television]]. It may be a new one, but it's also possible that Chris kept the case of the old one as a memento.

== Video ==

{{Infobox/video
| name = Haters gonna hate.mov
| video = {{#ev:youtube|N3KX-1o2WRU}}
| stardate = 6 September 2010
| subject = {{Rumors|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[ItIsFinished.MOV]]
| next = Current
}}

===Transcript===

[[image:PS3Alive.png|thumb|''I feel fantastic, and I'm still alive.'']]

''*[[sigh]]*'' September... ''[counting under his breath]'' 4..5...[[Chris and English|''sits'']]! Two thousand ten.

I am ''not'' [[dead]]. ''[dramatic [[glasses]] removal]'' I am very much alive, [[Chris and health|healthy and well]]! And I aims to keep it that way. So don't believe any god damn rumors from the dang trolls, 'cause they always gotta be falsified. ''[pause]'' And I'll tell ya something else - [[Patti Chandler|Patti]] ain't dug up! She's still underground! All them trolls are doing between their forums and their lies and their dang rumors they spread is just blowing a bunch of ''smoke''. ''[pause]'' So, what do you ''[mumbles]'' should you believe a bunch of smoke? No. Because all there is is smoke is just a bunch of ''[mumbles]'' web of [[lies]].

''[Long pause]''

So there. And also, I am going to ignore the trolls and they are not going to bother me anymore. I am regaining control of my life. They have played with me long enough and they're not going to play with me anymore! I'm not going to let them. Now, also I will say another thing. ''[Starts digging into his pocket, fishing out some sort of string]'' Haters. ''[Twirls string]'' Are gonna. Hate. Pew! ''[Throws it, turns off camera]''

{{succession|label=[[List of videos|Chris's videos]]|prevlink=[[ItIsFinished.MOV]]|nextlink=Current}}

{{Captain's Log}}

User:Xavier

2010-09-06T18:49:18Z

Xavier: Created page with "'''''E intentar, el resto de nuestras vidas, encontrar la virtud y perfeccionarnos.''''' File:Xavier_033.jpg"

'''''E intentar, el resto de nuestras vidas, encontrar la virtud y perfeccionarnos.'''''

[[File:Xavier_033.jpg]]

Talk:Haters Gonna Hate.MOV

2010-09-06T18:31:27Z

Xavier: /* Case? */

Trying to transcribe...having trouble--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 09:22, 6 September 2010 (PDT)
- Disregard that I suck cocks, I can't even refresh the page without lagging out.--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 09:46, 6 September 2010 (PDT)--[[User:Lylelash|Lylelash]] 09:46, 6 September 2010 (PDT)
* I have TRANSCRIBED DIS BITCH. Mostly. Rest easy. --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 09:54, 6 September 2010 (PDT)

Pfft, Chris is using his DEEP SCARY VOICE OOOOOOO -[[User:CypherFDP|CypherFDP]] 09:47, 6 September 2010 (PDT)

==PS3==
I broke the page, sorry, but guess what I found. [[User:Ash link|Ash link]] 10:01, 6 September 2010 (PDT)

==Case?==
Chris said he was keeping the PStripple case as a memento, is that a console or the case on the shelf? Keep in mind, I dont' know anything about Playstation 3 cases. --[[User:Fearfulsymmetry|Fearfulsymmetry]] 10:19, 6 September 2010 (PDT)

For a second I thought it might be a ps3 slim with the old faceplate leaned against it, but after comparing videos - it looks exactly the same as the old one pretty much...did he get a used old fat ps3? perhaps on ebay? any recent activity on ebay? is it possible the one he crushed really was a decoy? [[User:Superwoman|Superwoman]] 10:40, 6 September 2010 (PDT)

It looks like the one he made out of Pixelblocks. Anyways, if he had bought a new PS3, why would he have it on a shelf? [[User:Xavier|Xavier]] 11:31, 6 September 2010 (PDT)

==Wi-Fi Antenna Gymnast Ribbon?==
is that the removed wifi antenna which he spins around at the camera near the end?? [[User:Superwoman|Superwoman]] 10:38, 6 September 2010 (PDT)