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Naught

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{{Unreliable|type=cred|Naught is a habitual liar and gives contradictory statements.{{refn|group="note"|Falsely claimed [[Watchmen]] members were appointed by the [[Guard Dogs]] group, a claim that Marvin, a former Guard Dog, disagreed with. Initially denied, then admitted to, doxing [[The WCT]]. Naught had also claimed to promise to Null to stop making sockpuppets to like his own posts, which he did anyway, leading to his main account getting banned.}}|Naught is noted for having delusions of grandeur.<ref group=note>On one ocassion, Naught threatened a member of [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord Server that she'd be doxed, proclaiming that he "curbs weens and alogs".</ref>|Naught will often put his own spin on events that happened, embellish them, or try to demonize people he's interacted with, sometimes leaving out important context.{{refn|group="note"|Omitted key context from his leak of [[Taser Discussion]]. He also used a [[:File:PraetorSample.jpg|cropped out]] "you may also like" portion of an Etsy sale for a Sonichu medallion, claiming it to be on the Praetor etsy page.}}|Naught appears to take advantage of his presumed allies, encourages infighting between them, and throws them under the bus when it is most convenient for him.<ref group = note>Has attempted to use at least two of his associate's Kiwi Farms accounts, and doxed the WCT after they declined him using it. The dox would lead to significant infighting between him and Naught.</ref>}}
{{Unreliable|type=sock}}

{{quote|I'm up to 22 ,|Naught recounting how many sockpuppets he used on Kiwi Farms<ref name=twentytwo>[[:File:TwentyTwoSocks.JPG]]</ref>}}

{{quote|You brought so much fucking joy to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Naught on why he 'protects' Chris.<ref>[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]</ref>}}

{{quote|Naught is the same name as a mega asshole on the kiwi farms. I don't know if he's the same person. Does he use an anime avatar?

Mentally ill anime people.

Don't give them access to anything private|[[Null]] on Naught<ref>[[Null DMs#Watchmen drama]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
|name = Naught
|aliases = Bismuth Bis CPU Bismuth Heart nitto nanashi . ❤️ heart<ref group=note>A nickname given to Naught, alluding to him using a heart emoticon as his username in the CWCki Discord Server</ref> tabula rasa<ref>[[:File:Naught-CWC-7Sept20 - Handle shipments6.jpg]]</ref> anameisaname death of chans Nightmare .moe Toad WCT Hate<ref name = "naughtthread"></ref> [[User:Ihasnoname|Ihasnoname]] noot snafu zilch atomized -<ref>In [[The Place chats - Psychic Detective]], Chris chats with - and calls him by his Bismuth alias.</ref> ภคยﻮђՇ<ref>[[Naught DMs#Fulfill the orders]]</ref> W.T.snacks<ref name=wt>[https://www.onionfarms.com/attachments/halal-server-zip.10884/ Zip file of Halal Server leaks hosted at Onion Farms] See "Halal - Watchmen - silvia-spunk-emily-spruill-silverangel [873480191501017089" channel at 07-Aug-21 07:43 AM timestamp</ref> Archivist NEET Samurai ladmin
|image = Naught.jpg
|size = 250
|gender = Male
|nationality = American
|race = Mixed (White/Asian)
|organization = [[Watchmen]]
|knownfor = • Being the self-proclaimed leader of the Watchmen • Being the original [[Lainchu]] • Inviting Chris into the Discord Server for the CWCki • Providing numerous Chris related leaks on the CWCki server • Spreading rumors about various Chris orbiters, including members in his own group
|saga = {{saga|shipfic|cn}}, {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}
|occupation = Self-proclaimed Leader of the Watchmen (former) Owner of the The Place server Administrator of the Onion Farms
|}}

'''Naught''', also known as '''Bismuth''', and plenty of other pseudonyms, was one of the most prominent members of the Watchmen, its self-proclaimed leader, as well as one of the owners of The Place server. Naught monitored and doxed and/or threatened to dox potential weens or outside enablers, and has kept records on Chris's [[TSSSF]] cards and his comics.

Naught went by many usernames - he used "Bismuth" and '''CPU Bismuth Heart''' to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including "'''anameisaname'''", "'''death of chans'''", "'''Nightmare'''".<ref name=naughtthread>[https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/ OP of Naught's lolcow.org thread] ([https://archive.fo/G30td archive])</ref>, and "'''.moe'''".<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/halal-private-channels-halal-general-873250859369250879-html.2444981/ A Kiwi Farms link to a private channel in the Halal Server, See 06-Aug-21 2:10 PM timestamp]</ref> Naught claims to have used at least 22 sockpuppet accounts on Kiwi Farms alone.<ref name=twentytwo></ref>

When Chris had discussed with Naught and other members of [[The Place]] about planning to use one of [[Praetor]]'s [[taser]]s to tase his quartz crystals, Naught, along with MKRNightVee, The WCT, and Kyle, confronted [[Caden Peck]]. Naught and MKRNightVee created and pushed rumors that Praetor members wanted to get Chris to tase himself, leaked bits of chats out-of-context regarding the issue to frame Praetor, and even doxed Caden. All of this upset Chris and resulted in him calling The Place members out for it.

Chris had finallly cut contact with Naught in June 2021 citing Naught's toxic behavior in doxing fellow Watchman The WCT, and the WCT had convinced him to cut ties with Naught, along with MKR and Kyle.<ref>[[June 2021 Watchmen calls]]</ref><ref>[[MKR DMs#On Chris leaving The Place]]</ref> Naught would eventually publicly admit he had done because WCT had declined to share his [[Kiwi Farms]] account with him after being banned on Kiwi Farms.<ref name=doxadmit>[[:File:Naught on WCT dox.png]]</ref><ref name=naughtedit>[https://archive.ph/wip/9215A Archive of the edit]</ref>

Naught was previously banned from the forum for use of multiple sockpuppet accounts, advertising, and liking his own posts with sock accounts, and giving negative ratings to accounts that disagreed with them. According to [[Null]], he had told Naught to stop these practices. He would still continue to do them after claiming to agree to Null's request, which had led to his main account being banned as well.<ref>[[:File:NaughtSocks.JPG]]</ref> Naught continues to create socks on the website, despite the socks getting banned.

Naught, having been a frequent user of the website, is also an admin of [[Kenneth Engelhardt]]'s lolcow forum Onion Farms. There, Naught has gone under several different names, including (but not limited to) '''nitto''', '''zilch''', '''atomized''', '''Archivist''', and '''NEET samurai'''.

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==Trolling Years==

According to a thread on Naught co-created by [[The WCT]] and another member on the Kiwi Farms splinter site lolcow.org, before becoming an ardent white knight of Chris's, Naught was initially one of Chris's lesser trolls. Naught was allegedly a lesser member of [[the Miscreants]], and it is believed that his voice could be faintly heard in the second half of [[Mumble 9]].<ref name=naughtthread></ref> The thread had also claimed that Naught had stated regret for trolling Chris in private, though the circumstances at which this happened and/or the private messages themselves are undisclosed, and had been a white knight of Chris's since the mid 2010s.

==Interactions with Chris==
[[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|left|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]
Chris stated that Naught began interacting with him in late 2019 after approaching him when Chris was creating an expansion pack for lore provided to him by MKRNightVee and Jacob.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Nauht and Geno]]</ref> Naught would roleplay with Chris as the CPU Goddess, '''Vee''', '''CPU Bismuth Heart''', the CPU goddess of the children's educational game console, the V-Smile.

In most [[Naught DMs|conversations]] between Chris and Naught, Chris had spoken to him about his dreams and delusions. Chris has talked to Naught about all of the surreal dreams that he had all throughout the summer of 2020.<ref>[[Dreams#Summer 2020 dreams]]</ref> Naught had also shown Chris various anime and manga, much of which Chris had implemented in his fantasies.<ref>[[The Place chats - Infighting, Anime, and the Merge]]</ref> At one point, Naught had recommended the anime series ''Higurashi'' to Chris, believing that it would be of interest of him due to the show's use of time travel.

When Chris created a video where he [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|discusses plans to create a will]], Chris had shared the video with Naught in a Google Drive on 6 August 2020, and told him not to leak the video. After this, Naught was concerned about the morose implications of the video, and created a CWCki account, '''Ihasnoname''', where he created a page to leak the video on. Naught had also provided commentary and context on a number of transcribed DMs between him and Chris.

[[File:SonichuOrder.png|thumb|170px|An order from a customer, which Naught had posted on the Second Layer of The Place.]]

Chris, not wanting to deal with customers, had demanded Naught to keep track of orders made for his [[TSSSF]] cards and Sonichu comics.<ref name=TSSSF>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Orders From 2020]]</ref> In September 2020, Chris had sent the information of 23 of his paying customers when they bought merchandise from him after sending payment information to Naught, which contained the customer's name, address, phone number, and email. Naught then posted the orders including the doxes on the second layer of [[The Place]] server, where he had posted pdfs of the Sonichu comics up to [[Sonichu #13]] and a Google Drive of all of Chris's [[TSSSF]] cards.<ref name=TSSSF></ref>

[[File:NaughtGetsModded.jpg|thumb|left|A post reacting to Naught, along with Anaxis and Skunt_TV, becoming moderators on the CWCki server]]
Naught encouraged Chris to go onto the [[Official CWCki Server]] in [[August 2020]],<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)#Inviting Chris to Official CWCki Server]]</ref> roughly a month after the server's creation. On the server, Naught had also leaked a number of posts and photos he found onto the server, and had doxed several of its members,<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)]]</ref> including one of the server's mods.<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=naught|thread=75256|post=7186963}}</ref> Naught, who was nicknamed as "heart", was also promoted as a moderator on the server, along with the server members [[Anaxis]] and Skunt_TV.<ref>[[:File:NaughtGetsModded.jpg]]</ref>

Late in February 2021, Naught had discussed plans with [[MKRNightVee]] to get Chris to interact with the lolcow Alexander Gordon Jahans, whom both Naught and MKR had interest in, though no signs of them interacting ever came.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]</ref>

Naught claimed to having been the original player of the [[Lainchu]] character,<ref name=NaughtLainchu></ref> and has hinted at getting Chris interested in the anime the character was based on, Serial Experiments Lain, in a private chat.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion#18 March 2021, part 1]]</ref> However, Naught also claims that he passed off the role for "reasons he can't recall".<ref name=NaughtLainchu>[[The Place chats (March 2021)#Rejection of the Fourth Lainchu]]</ref>

Chris used [[Tarot]] readings to divine Naught's future in April 2021. Naught posted these tarot readings on Onion Farms.<ref>{{Cite onion|thread=2150}}</ref> In the divine readings, Chris declares that as leader Naught will likely speak up against others on certain topics. The end of the divine readings has Chris telling Naught to "embrace his weirdness".

==As a Watchman==

{{quote|i curb weens and alogs|Naught on his duties as a Watchman|<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raid]]</ref>}}

[[File:Naught'sPowerFantasy.jpg|thumb|Naught threatening to "curb" a Discord user.]]

After [[Owls]] left the CWC scene, Naught stepped into his position. Naught become an owner of the Watchmen server [[The Place]]. On 13 February 2021, Naught stepped down and transferred ownership of The Place to [[Kyle]].<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The Lainchu Manifesto#Transfer of Power]]</ref>

Naught is fond of using sockpuppet accounts on the [[Kiwi Farms]], such as to ban-evade. He has been caught multiple times. One of his accounts, "anameisaname", was used when Naught publicly announced the existence of the Watchmen group. He created a Kiwi Farms thread for doxing Chris orbiters, many of which were members of the CWCki's Discord Server, on 15 August 2020, which had led to him being banned from the server.<ref>{{Cite farms|thread=75256}}</ref>

Naught was also in the habit of trying to get fellow Watchmen members to share their Kiwi Farms accounts with him. He made use of [[Spunky]]'s account, "Thetarotreader96", repurposing it as "death of chans".<ref>https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-16378 (archive: https://archive.ph/sHJsm)</ref> Naught also tried asking [[The WCT]] for his credentials; when The WCT declined, Naught posted his dox in retaliation.

===Midnight Moonflower===

When they have heard that Chris was a member of her server, Naught, along with several other Watchmen members had raided [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord server to cut contacts between her and Chris, under the belief that she was a ween, and warning them that they may get doxed due to their association with Chris, while also telling them about his duty to "curb weens and alogs", and that they could potentially get a CWCki page or Kiwi Farms thread.<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raids]]</ref>

===Conflicts with Praetor===

The earliest Chris has been known to discuss [[Praetor]] with Naught was on 14 October 2020, where he discusses their interpretation of his [[Disc Dream]], and mentions their plans of him doing a [[Goochland Library Sermon|sermon at the Goochland Public Library]]. Naught replied to the video plans with "Are you sure you're comfortable with doing a video? And was this cadens idea?". When Chris replies to being comfortable with doing the video, Naught had told Chris to be sure that doing so would be "mutually beneficial and reciprocal".<ref>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>

On [[February 2021]], Chris had stated to [[Kyle]] that he wished to open an inter-dimensional portal by shocking his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]]. Chris had decided that he could do this by asking Praetor for one of their tasers, and state the news to Naught.<ref>[[Naught DMs#Chris wants to activate the Merge by playing with taser]]</ref> Naught had then notified members of The Place about these plans, and gathered them up to confront the Praetors themselves.<ref>[[The Place chats - Watchmen-Praetor confrontations#5 February 2021]]</ref>

Afterwards, Naught posted Chris announcing this to him onto Kiwi Farms, while claiming that he was concerned that they were in on a "plot" involving [[Larry Vaughn]] which involves getting Chris to tase himself. In Naught's Kiwi Farms post, he alleged that "Caden and cwc as Sonichu prime discuss the tazer and who will be tazed",<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=naught|thread=84502|post=8301396}}</ref> omitting that Watchmen member Val had brought up the subject and that Caden had objected. The post had also included a [[Taser Discussion|voice chat]] which has been heavily edited to only include specific clips to frame Praetor members for this alleged plan.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)#Taser Discusion clip]]</ref> In the clip, [[Val]] states, "Can you put, 'Can CWC- uh, like, tase himself on video for lulz'." Chris then responds, "I'll do it," to which Val bursts out laughing. [[Praetor]] member Caden then objects, saying, "Look, are you sure- There- they- like, we had a whole discussion about ''why'' it's a bad idea."

The Watchmen had then confronted Caden 3 days later, acussing him of wanting to get Chris to tase himself. Despite these allegations, Chris had tried to claim that obtaining a taser was his idea, and that he had requested people at Praetor to send one of their tasers to him. After this, Chris had chastised Naught and other Watchmen members for the way that they had treated Praetor.

===Doxing of The WCT===

{{quote|I doxed Sean since he asked me to use his Logan account on kiwi farms, and I said no.
Yet, when I was banned from kiwi farms he said no, so i doxed him it didn't help he kept blaming me for striking his video's as he worked with lolcow.org to make a thread on me.|An actual edit from Naught, admitting to have doxed The WCT.<ref name=naughtedit></ref>}}

After being banned from the Kiwi Farms for socking, Naught had asked The WCT to make use of his Logan account, which The WCT had declined in doing. Before this, The WCT had asked Naught to use his account, which he declined. Both of these followed in Naught obtaining WCT's dox from both lolcow.org and /cow/.<ref name=naughtedit></ref> In [[June 2021]], The WCT was doxed on Kiwi Farms by a Kiwi Farms account named Nightmare. An account on the Kiwi Farms splinter site lolcow.org had also joined under a VPN under the screen name '''"WCT Hate"''', whose sole purpose was to dox The WCT. Signs pointed to fellow Watchman and group leader Naught as the person behind both of the accounts.<ref name = naughtthread></ref> Though Naught initially denied being behind Nightmare, he later admitted to it.<ref name=naughtedit></ref>

When The WCT confronted Naught in a voice chat during the group’s movie night on 21 June, Naught denied the allegation, then threatened to further dox The WCT in an attempt to silence him. Kyle and MKRNightVee took Naught's side in the dispute.<ref>[[June 2021 Watchmen calls#Movie Night Confrontation]]</ref> From there, a conflict arose between Naught and The WCT.

Following a Lolcow.org thread on the ex-member of the group, an audio voice clip of Chris saying “Fuck Bismuth!”<ref>[[June 2021 Watchmen calls#Pre-Jail Interview]] ([https://www.lolcow.org/data/audio/7/7468-370ce5544aee794a8de75b3181dd6c0f.mp3 Clip form, hosted at lolcow.org])</ref> suggested that Chris sided against Naught in the dispute. The WCT had also encouraged Chris to cut ties with Naught, Kyle and MKR.

On 6 July 2021, The WCT's eponymous YouTube channel received a strike. He accused Naught of being behind the strike, both to Naught<ref name=naughtedit></ref> and to Chris.<ref name=cwcdmstrike>[[WCT DMs#Video Strikes]]</ref> WCT provided an image to Chris saying that Naught "basically admitted" to being behind the strike, although the image has been lost.<ref name=cwcdmstrike></ref> Naught has claimed that he believes WCT's accusations provide him justification for doxing him (even though the dox took place weeks prior).

On 20 July 2021, The WCT collaborated with [[Bella]] in an attempt to dox Naught back.<ref>[[Chess Group 15 Chats#Watchmen Treason]]</ref> Naught had admitted to doxing The WCT on the [[Onion Farms]] on 30 August 2021,<ref>[[:File:Naught on WCT dox.png]]</ref> and again on 29 November 2021 via an edit on his page, providing details about the dox.

Following from the incest call being leaked, Naught had posted under the Kiwi Farms account '''.moe''', where he posted primarily in threads on Bella and her associates, as well as WCT's thread, where he doxed him further.<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=.moe|thread=97689|post=9716227}}</ref> Naught had also framed WCT as being a "simp" of Bella, on one ocassion comparing him to the active Chess Club member, Louis Herz.<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=.moe|thread=97621|post=9736618}}</ref>

==Involvement with Halal Server==
{{quote|Yeah, we dont want people to know we have Naught and MKR here|Halal Server member Sakura Blossom on concealing Naught's involvement in the server.<ref>[https://www.onionfarms.com/attachments/halal-server-zip.10884/ Zip file of Halal Server leaks hosted at Onion Farms]. See Halal - General - halal-general [873250859369250879].html at 10-Aug-21 04:46 PM timestamp</ref>}}

Naught was invited to the Halal Server, a Discord group for speculating about [[Bella]] and others who orbited Chris following the leak of the [[Incest Call]]. He used the pseudonym '''W.T.snacks''' while in the server.<ref name=wt></ref> One channel, called "naught-funposting", served as a spot for Naught to posts shitposts. Another channel, much like the one created for MKR, was also created so that Naught could provide notable screenshots and information.

MKR and Naught had primarly provided information on the channel "donotuse-old-landing-pad".

==Involvement with Onion Farms==

Naught and The WCT had frequented [[Kenneth Engelhardt]]'s website, Onion Farms, and Naught eventually became an admin of the website, which, according to Naught, was a result of the creation of the [[Watchmen]] article.<ref name=naughtthread></ref> Naught and WCT had livestreams with Kenneth and interview him about the ongoings with the website.

Naught had responded to some of Kenneth's posts regarding letters he received from Chris while he was in jail and posted on threads about Chris's orbiters. On 29 January 2022, Naught indicated some degree of willingness to regain contact with Chris, asking Kenneth to "Tell CWC I said hi" and adding that "CWC knows me as bismuth," to which Kengle gave an okay.<ref>https://www.onionfarms.com/threads/cwc-letter-january-29-2022-pissed-off-over-some-of-the-fan-art-she-has-two-mothers-buckle-up-its-a-wild-ride.2147/post-33036 / https://archive.ph/4uyxz</ref> Whether Naught or Kenneth moved ahead with the contact is unknown as Kenneth and Chris temporarily cut ties shortly afterwards.

On the Onion Farms, Naught had also created a number of threads on people associated with Chris, such as [[The WCT]] and [[Geno Samuel]].

==Interviews==
===Origins===
[[File:Marvin on conventions claim.png|thumb|200px|Guard Dog [[Marvin]] disagrees with a claim made by Naught.]]
The following is a conversation between a Christorian and Naught via Discord; the users are color-coded red and navy blue, respectively. The interview was originally placed on the Watchmen CWCki page but was later removed due to uncorroborated statements made by Naught<ref>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&type=revision&diff=252258&oldid=252227</ref> and is now archived on this page.

Naught claimed that some members of the Watchmen had been operating since [[2018]], as the spiritual successor to the [[Guard Dogs]] – the latter having disbanded around the same time frame. However, Naught's account was disputed by a member of the Guard Dogs.

Naught also claimed that Watchmen members [[MKRNightVee]] and [[AquaDiamond8]] were picked by [[Null]]. However, MKRNightVee got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number for her<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/</ref> and Aqua joined during the [[Sockness]] saga by which time Null had been distant from Chris.

{{quoteboxred|I had a question in my head, if its fine for me to ask, could you tell me how exactly you guys met CWC and when you formed the group}}

Naught quoted a now-deleted section from the [[Guard Dogs]] CWCki article:
{{quoteboxwhite|Following the incidents at TooManyGames, in which Chris was thrown out of the con for being too handsy with other attendees, Null and several other members of the Guard Dogs began investigating Justin Silverman's account of the situation, intending to find out if Justin had overreacted towards Chris's behaviour. Ultimately, this investigation petered out with no real progress having been made, save for the fact that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at any conventions he visited from then on.}}

{{quoteboxred|Oh, so you guys were picked by Null}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's why Marvin is there since the captain couldn't stick around but the plan is still the same}}

{{quoteboxred|Ah, so the captain was in there too but left after a while}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah mkr helped get the cwc protect squad out of the way with the fan art for cwc}}

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===History===
On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Naught through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Naught's responses color-coded green.

The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.

{{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}

{{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}

{{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}

{{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.

After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}

The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.

{{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Stress and people @ her on Twitter

Her and mkr are still frens}}

{{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes}}

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===Follow-up on Origins===
Afterwards, the CWCki Editor [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] asked Naught to clarify the Watchmen's origins. In a prior interview, Naught had claimed the Watchmen to have been working with the Guard Dogs to supervise Chris at conventions, however a Guard Dog disagreed with the claim. Naught blamed Watchmen founder [[Owls]], claiming the story was what he had been told by Owls.

{{quoteboxred|Are you the one the CWCki calls Naught?

Wanted to ask something clarifying the Watchmen origins if so. There's conflicting statements.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yes}}

{{quoteboxred|So you quoted the Guard Dogs article to explain the group origins - a section that said the Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at cons after the TMG disaster. But the editor who put that in since retracted it for lack of source and Marvin said there were no babysitters and that Chris was on his own.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's what owls/Ryan told me

He's no longer around he's ghostbird on the farm's}}

{{quoteboxred|Hmm. Interesting.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|That's why I'm around he wasn't reporting back to Marvin

There was something about the footage smokey chris and theSperge}}

{{quoteboxred|Owl's was the original person behind the group?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|He started [[The Place|the place]] server and was telling mkr and Marvin he was doing x y and z but wasn't}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright if I quote you on on the CWCki? Gonna try to fix up the Origins section.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Ok

There was even a panel where he insisted his owl avatar in the comic}}

{{quoteboxred|MKR's?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah owls was the one making it canon mkr draws}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright, thanks for the info.}}

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==See also==
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)]]
*[[MKRNightVee]]
*[[Naught DMs]]
*[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)]]
*[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]

==External links==
*[https://kiwifarms.net/members/naught.30731/ Naught's Kiwi Farms profile]

==Notes==
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{{Unreliable|type=cred|Naught is a habitual liar and gives contradictory statements.{{refn|group="note"|Falsely claimed [[Watchmen]] members were appointed by the [[Guard Dogs]] group, a claim that Marvin, a former Guard Dog, disagreed with. Initially denied, then admitted to, doxing [[The WCT]]. Naught had also claimed to promise to Null to stop making sockpuppets to like his own posts, which he did anyway, leading to his main account getting banned.}}|Naught is noted for having delusions of grandeur.<ref group=note>On one ocassion, Naught threatened a member of [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord Server that she'd be doxed, proclaiming that he "curbs weens and alogs".</ref>|Naught will often put his own spin on events that happened, embellish them, or try to demonize people he's interacted with, sometimes leaving out important context.{{refn|group="note"|Omitted key context from his leak of [[Taser Discussion]]. He also used a [[:File:PraetorSample.jpg|cropped out]] "you may also like" portion of an Etsy sale for a Sonichu medallion, claiming it to be on the Praetor etsy page.}}|Naught appears to take advantage of his presumed allies, encourages infighting between them, and throws them under the bus when it is most convenient for him.<ref group = note>Has attempted to use at least two of his associate's Kiwi Farms accounts, and doxed the WCT after they declined him using it. The dox would lead to significant infighting between him and Naught.</ref>}}
{{Unreliable|type=sock}}

{{quote|You brought so much fucking joy to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Naught on why he 'protects' Chris.<ref>[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
|name = Naught
|aliases = Bismuth Bis CPU Bismuth Heart nitto nanashi . ❤️ heart<ref group=note>A nickname given to Naught, alluding to him using a heart emoticon as his username in the CWCki Discord Server</ref> tabula rasa<ref>[[:File:Naught-CWC-7Sept20 - Handle shipments6.jpg]]</ref> anameisaname death of chans Nightmare .moe Toad WCT Hate<ref name = "naughtthread"></ref> [[User:Ihasnoname|Ihasnoname]] noot snafu zilch atomized -<ref>In [[The Place chats - Psychic Detective]], Chris chats with - and calls him by his Bismuth alias.</ref> ภคยﻮђՇ<ref>[[Naught DMs#Fulfill the orders]]</ref> W.T.snacks<ref name=wt>[https://www.onionfarms.com/attachments/halal-server-zip.10884/ Zip file of Halal Server leaks hosted at Onion Farms] See "Halal - Watchmen - silvia-spunk-emily-spruill-silverangel [873480191501017089" channel at 07-Aug-21 07:43 AM timestamp</ref> Archivist NEET Samurai ladmin
|image = Naught.jpg
|size = 250
|gender = Male
|nationality = American
|race = Mixed (White/Asian)
|organization = [[Watchmen]]
|knownfor = • Being the self-proclaimed leader of the Watchmen • Being the original [[Lainchu]] • Inviting Chris into the Discord Server for the CWCki • Providing numerous Chris related leaks on the CWCki server • Spreading rumors about various Chris orbiters, including members in his own group
|saga = {{saga|shipfic|cn}}, {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}
|occupation = Self-proclaimed Leader of the Watchmen (former) Owner of the The Place server Administrator of the Onion Farms
|}}

'''Naught''', also known as '''Bismuth''', and plenty of other pseudonyms, was one of the most prominent members of the Watchmen, as one of the owners of The Place server. Naught monitored and doxed and/or threatened to dox potential weens or outside enablers.

Naught went by many usernames - he used "Bismuth" and '''CPU Bismuth Heart''' to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including "'''anameisaname'''", "'''death of chans'''", "'''Nightmare'''".<ref name=naughtthread>[https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/ OP of Naught's lolcow.org thread] ([https://archive.fo/G30td archive])</ref>, and "'''.moe'''".<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/halal-private-channels-halal-general-873250859369250879-html.2444981/ A Kiwi Farms link to a private channel in the Halal Server, See 06-Aug-21 2:10 PM timestamp]</ref> Naught claims to have used at least 22 sockpuppet accounts on Kiwi Farms alone.<ref name=twentytwo></ref>

When Chris had discussed with Naught and other members of [[The Place]] about planning to use one of [[Praetor]]'s [[taser]]s to tase his quartz crystals, Naught, along with MKRNightVee, The WCT, and Kyle, confronted [[Caden Peck]]. Naught and MKRNightVee created and pushed rumors that Praetor members wanted to get Chris to tase himself, leaked bits of chats out-of-context regarding the issue to frame Praetor, and even doxed Caden. All of this upset Chris and resulted in him calling The Place members out for it.

Chris had finallly cut contact with Naught in June 2021 citing Naught's toxic behavior in doxing fellow Watchman The WCT, and the WCT had convinced him to cut ties with Naught, along with MKR and Kyle.<ref>[[June 2021 Watchmen calls]]</ref><ref>[[MKR DMs#On Chris leaving The Place]]</ref> Naught would eventually publicly admit he had done because WCT had declined to share his [[Kiwi Farms]] account with him after being banned on Kiwi Farms.<ref name=doxadmit>[[:File:Naught on WCT dox.png]]</ref><ref name=naughtedit>[https://archive.ph/wip/9215A Archive of the edit]</ref>

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==Trolling Years==

According to a thread on Naught co-created by [[The WCT]] and another member on the Kiwi Farms splinter site lolcow.org, before becoming an ardent white knight of Chris's, Naught was initially one of Chris's lesser trolls. Naught was allegedly a lesser member of [[the Miscreants]], and it is believed that his voice could be faintly heard in the second half of [[Mumble 9]].<ref name=naughtthread></ref> The thread had also claimed that Naught had stated regret for trolling Chris in private, though the circumstances at which this happened and/or the private messages themselves are undisclosed, and had been a white knight of Chris's since the mid 2010s.

==Interactions with Chris==
[[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|left|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]
Chris stated that Naught began interacting with him in late 2019 after approaching him when Chris was creating an expansion pack for lore provided to him by MKRNightVee and Jacob.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Nauht and Geno]]</ref> Naught would roleplay with Chris as the CPU Goddess, '''Vee''', '''CPU Bismuth Heart''', the CPU goddess of the children's educational game console, the V-Smile.

In most [[Naught DMs|conversations]] between Chris and Naught, Chris had spoken to him about his dreams and delusions. Chris has talked to Naught about all of the surreal dreams that he had all throughout the summer of 2020.<ref>[[Dreams#Summer 2020 dreams]]</ref> Naught had also shown Chris various anime and manga, much of which Chris had implemented in his fantasies.<ref>[[The Place chats - Infighting, Anime, and the Merge]]</ref> At one point, Naught had recommended the anime series ''Higurashi'' to Chris, believing that it would be of interest of him due to the show's use of time travel.

When Chris created a video where he [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|discusses plans to create a will]], Chris had shared the video with Naught in a Google Drive on 6 August 2020, and told him not to leak the video. After this, Naught was concerned about the morose implications of the video, and created a CWCki account, '''Ihasnoname''', where he created a page to leak the video on. Naught had also provided commentary and context on a number of transcribed DMs between him and Chris.

[[File:SonichuOrder.png|thumb|170px|An order from a customer, which Naught had posted on the Second Layer of The Place.]]

Chris, not wanting to deal with customers, had demanded Naught to keep track of orders made for his [[TSSSF]] cards and Sonichu comics.<ref name=TSSSF>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Orders From 2020]]</ref> In September 2020, Chris had sent the information of 23 of his paying customers when they bought merchandise from him after sending payment information to Naught, which contained the customer's name, address, phone number, and email. Naught then posted the orders including the doxes on the second layer of [[The Place]] server, where he had posted pdfs of the Sonichu comics up to [[Sonichu #13]] and a Google Drive of all of Chris's [[TSSSF]] cards.<ref name=TSSSF></ref>

Naught encouraged Chris to go onto the [[Official CWCki Server]] in [[August 2020]],<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)#Inviting Chris to Official CWCki Server]]</ref> roughly a month after the server's creation. On the server, Naught had also leaked a number of posts and photos he found onto the server.

Late in February 2021, Naught had discussed plans with [[MKRNightVee]] to get Chris to interact with the lolcow Alexander Gordon Jahans, whom both Naught and MKR had interest in, though no signs of them interacting ever came.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]</ref>

Naught claimed to having been the original player of the [[Lainchu]] character,<ref name=NaughtLainchu></ref> and has hinted at getting Chris interested in the anime the character was based on, Serial Experiments Lain, in a private chat.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion#18 March 2021, part 1]]</ref> However, Naught also claims that he passed off the role for "reasons he can't recall".<ref name=NaughtLainchu>[[The Place chats (March 2021)#Rejection of the Fourth Lainchu]]</ref>

Chris used [[Tarot]] readings to divine Naught's future in April 2021. Naught posted these tarot readings on Onion Farms.<ref>{{Cite onion|thread=2150}}</ref> In the divine readings, Chris declares that as leader Naught will likely speak up against others on certain topics. The end of the divine readings has Chris telling Naught to "embrace his weirdness".

==As a Watchman==

{{quote|i curb weens and alogs|Naught on his duties as a Watchman|<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raid]]</ref>}}

[[File:Naught'sPowerFantasy.jpg|thumb|Naught threatening to "curb" a Discord user.]]

After [[Owls]] left the CWC scene, Naught stepped into his position. Naught become an owner of the Watchmen server [[The Place]]. On 13 February 2021, Naught stepped down and transferred ownership of The Place to [[Kyle]].<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The Lainchu Manifesto#Transfer of Power]]</ref>

Naught was also in the habit of trying to get fellow Watchmen members to share their Kiwi Farms accounts with him. He made use of [[Spunky]]'s account, "Thetarotreader96", repurposing it as "death of chans".<ref>https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-16378 (archive: https://archive.ph/sHJsm)</ref> Naught also tried asking [[The WCT]] for his credentials; when The WCT declined, Naught posted his dox in retaliation.

===Midnight Moonflower===

When they have heard that Chris was a member of her server, Naught, along with several other Watchmen members had raided [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord server to cut contacts between her and Chris, under the belief that she was a ween, and warning them that they may get doxed due to their association with Chris, while also telling them about his duty to "curb weens and alogs", and that they could potentially get a CWCki page or Kiwi Farms thread.<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raids]]</ref>

===Conflicts with Praetor===

The earliest Chris has been known to discuss [[Praetor]] with Naught was on 14 October 2020, where he discusses their interpretation of his [[Disc Dream]], and mentions their plans of him doing a [[Goochland Library Sermon|sermon at the Goochland Public Library]]. Naught replied to the video plans with "Are you sure you're comfortable with doing a video? And was this cadens idea?". When Chris replies to being comfortable with doing the video, Naught had told Chris to be sure that doing so would be "mutually beneficial and reciprocal".<ref>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>

On [[February 2021]], Chris had stated to [[Kyle]] that he wished to open an inter-dimensional portal by shocking his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]]. Chris had decided that he could do this by asking Praetor for one of their tasers, and state the news to Naught.<ref>[[Naught DMs#Chris wants to activate the Merge by playing with taser]]</ref> Naught had then notified members of The Place about these plans, and gathered them up to confront the Praetors themselves.<ref>[[The Place chats - Watchmen-Praetor confrontations#5 February 2021]]</ref>

Afterwards, Naught posted Chris announcing this to him onto Kiwi Farms, while claiming that he was concerned that they were in on a "plot" involving [[Larry Vaughn]] which involves getting Chris to tase himself. In Naught's Kiwi Farms post, he alleged that "Caden and cwc as Sonichu prime discuss the tazer and who will be tazed",<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=naught|thread=84502|post=8301396}}</ref> omitting that Watchmen member Val had brought up the subject and that Caden had objected. The post had also included a [[Taser Discussion|voice chat]] which has been heavily edited to only include specific clips to frame Praetor members for this alleged plan.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)#Taser Discusion clip]]</ref> In the clip, [[Val]] states, "Can you put, 'Can CWC- uh, like, tase himself on video for lulz'." Chris then responds, "I'll do it," to which Val bursts out laughing. [[Praetor]] member Caden then objects, saying, "Look, are you sure- There- they- like, we had a whole discussion about ''why'' it's a bad idea."

==Interviews==
===Origins===
[[File:Marvin on conventions claim.png|thumb|200px|Guard Dog [[Marvin]] disagrees with a claim made by Naught.]]
The following is a conversation between a Christorian and Naught via Discord; the users are color-coded red and navy blue, respectively. The interview was originally placed on the Watchmen CWCki page but was later removed due to uncorroborated statements made by Naught<ref>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&type=revision&diff=252258&oldid=252227</ref> and is now archived on this page.

Naught claimed that some members of the Watchmen had been operating since [[2018]], as the spiritual successor to the [[Guard Dogs]] – the latter having disbanded around the same time frame. However, Naught's account was disputed by a member of the Guard Dogs.

Naught also claimed that Watchmen members [[MKRNightVee]] and [[AquaDiamond8]] were picked by [[Null]]. However, MKRNightVee got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number for her<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/</ref> and Aqua joined during the [[Sockness]] saga by which time Null had been distant from Chris.

{{quoteboxred|I had a question in my head, if its fine for me to ask, could you tell me how exactly you guys met CWC and when you formed the group}}

Naught quoted a now-deleted section from the [[Guard Dogs]] CWCki article:
{{quoteboxwhite|Following the incidents at TooManyGames, in which Chris was thrown out of the con for being too handsy with other attendees, Null and several other members of the Guard Dogs began investigating Justin Silverman's account of the situation, intending to find out if Justin had overreacted towards Chris's behaviour. Ultimately, this investigation petered out with no real progress having been made, save for the fact that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at any conventions he visited from then on.}}

{{quoteboxred|Oh, so you guys were picked by Null}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's why Marvin is there since the captain couldn't stick around but the plan is still the same}}

{{quoteboxred|Ah, so the captain was in there too but left after a while}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah mkr helped get the cwc protect squad out of the way with the fan art for cwc}}

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===History===
On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Naught through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Naught's responses color-coded green.

The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.

{{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}

{{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}

{{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}

{{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.

After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}

The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.

{{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Stress and people @ her on Twitter

Her and mkr are still frens}}

{{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes}}

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===Follow-up on Origins===
Afterwards, the CWCki Editor [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] asked Naught to clarify the Watchmen's origins. In a prior interview, Naught had claimed the Watchmen to have been working with the Guard Dogs to supervise Chris at conventions, however a Guard Dog disagreed with the claim. Naught blamed Watchmen founder [[Owls]], claiming the story was what he had been told by Owls.

{{quoteboxred|Are you the one the CWCki calls Naught?

Wanted to ask something clarifying the Watchmen origins if so. There's conflicting statements.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yes}}

{{quoteboxred|So you quoted the Guard Dogs article to explain the group origins - a section that said the Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at cons after the TMG disaster. But the editor who put that in since retracted it for lack of source and Marvin said there were no babysitters and that Chris was on his own.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's what owls/Ryan told me

He's no longer around he's ghostbird on the farm's}}

{{quoteboxred|Hmm. Interesting.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|That's why I'm around he wasn't reporting back to Marvin

There was something about the footage smokey chris and theSperge}}

{{quoteboxred|Owl's was the original person behind the group?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|He started [[The Place|the place]] server and was telling mkr and Marvin he was doing x y and z but wasn't}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright if I quote you on on the CWCki? Gonna try to fix up the Origins section.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Ok

There was even a panel where he insisted his owl avatar in the comic}}

{{quoteboxred|MKR's?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah owls was the one making it canon mkr draws}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright, thanks for the info.}}

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==See also==
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)]]
*[[MKRNightVee]]
*[[Naught DMs]]
*[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)]]
*[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]

==Notes==
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{{Unreliable|type=cred|Naught is a habitual liar and gives contradictory statements.{{refn|group="note"|Falsely claimed [[Watchmen]] members were appointed by the [[Guard Dogs]] group, a claim that Marvin, a former Guard Dog, disagreed with. Initially denied, then admitted to, doxing [[The WCT]]. Naught had also claimed to promise to Null to stop making sockpuppets to like his own posts, which he did anyway, leading to his main account getting banned.}}|Naught is noted for having delusions of grandeur.<ref group=note>On one ocassion, Naught threatened a member of [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord Server that she'd be doxed, proclaiming that he "curbs weens and alogs".</ref>|Naught will often put his own spin on events that happened, embellish them, or try to demonize people he's interacted with, sometimes leaving out important context.{{refn|group="note"|Omitted key context from his leak of [[Taser Discussion]]. He also used a [[:File:PraetorSample.jpg|cropped out]] "you may also like" portion of an Etsy sale for a Sonichu medallion, claiming it to be on the Praetor etsy page.}}|Naught appears to take advantage of his presumed allies, encourages infighting between them, and throws them under the bus when it is most convenient for him.<ref group = note>Has attempted to use at least two of his associate's Kiwi Farms accounts, and doxed the WCT after they declined him using it. The dox would lead to significant infighting between him and Naught.</ref>}}
{{Unreliable|type=sock}}

{{quote|You brought so much fucking joy to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Naught on why he 'protects' Chris.<ref>[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
|name = Naught
|aliases = Bismuth Bis CPU Bismuth Heart nitto nanashi . ❤️ heart<ref group=note>A nickname given to Naught, alluding to him using a heart emoticon as his username in the CWCki Discord Server</ref> tabula rasa<ref>[[:File:Naught-CWC-7Sept20 - Handle shipments6.jpg]]</ref> anameisaname death of chans Nightmare .moe Toad WCT Hate<ref name = "naughtthread"></ref> [[User:Ihasnoname|Ihasnoname]] noot snafu zilch atomized -<ref>In [[The Place chats - Psychic Detective]], Chris chats with - and calls him by his Bismuth alias.</ref> ภคยﻮђՇ<ref>[[Naught DMs#Fulfill the orders]]</ref> W.T.snacks<ref name=wt>[https://www.onionfarms.com/attachments/halal-server-zip.10884/ Zip file of Halal Server leaks hosted at Onion Farms] See "Halal - Watchmen - silvia-spunk-emily-spruill-silverangel [873480191501017089" channel at 07-Aug-21 07:43 AM timestamp</ref> Archivist NEET Samurai ladmin
|image = Naught.jpg
|size = 250
|gender = Male
|nationality = American
|race = Mixed (White/Asian)
|organization = [[Watchmen]]
|knownfor = • Being the self-proclaimed leader of the Watchmen • Being the original [[Lainchu]] • Inviting Chris into the Discord Server for the CWCki • Providing numerous Chris related leaks on the CWCki server • Spreading rumors about various Chris orbiters, including members in his own group
|saga = {{saga|shipfic|cn}}, {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}
|occupation = Self-proclaimed Leader of the Watchmen (former) Owner of the The Place server Administrator of the Onion Farms
|}}

'''Naught''', also known as '''Bismuth''' and plenty of other pseudonyms, is one of the most prominent members of the defunct [[Watchmen]]. He was one of the owners of their [[Discord]] server [[The Place]]. Naught monitored, harassed, and sought to [[dox]] potential [[weens]] or [[enablers]] who existed outside of the Watchmen clique.

Naught went by many usernames - he used "Bismuth" and '''CPU Bismuth Heart''' to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including "'''anameisaname'''", "'''death of chans'''", "'''Nightmare'''".<ref name=naughtthread>[https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/ OP of Naught's lolcow.org thread] ([https://archive.fo/G30td archive])</ref>, and "'''.moe'''".<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/halal-private-channels-halal-general-873250859369250879-html.2444981/ A Kiwi Farms link to a private channel in the Halal Server, See 06-Aug-21 2:10 PM timestamp]</ref> Naught claims to have used at least 22 sockpuppet accounts on Kiwi Farms alone.<ref name=twentytwo></ref>

When Chris had discussed with Naught and other members of [[The Place]] about planning to use one of [[Praetor]]'s [[taser]]s to tase his quartz crystals, Naught, along with MKRNightVee, The WCT, and Kyle, confronted [[Caden Peck]]. Naught and MKRNightVee created and pushed rumors that Praetor members wanted to get Chris to tase himself, leaked bits of chats out-of-context regarding the issue to frame Praetor, and even doxed Caden. All of this upset Chris and resulted in him calling The Place members out for it.

Chris had finallly cut contact with Naught in June 2021 citing Naught's toxic behavior in doxing fellow Watchman The WCT, and the WCT had convinced him to cut ties with Naught, along with MKR and Kyle.<ref>[[June 2021 Watchmen calls]]</ref><ref>[[MKR DMs#On Chris leaving The Place]]</ref> Naught would eventually publicly admit he had done because WCT had declined to share his [[Kiwi Farms]] account with him after being banned on Kiwi Farms.<ref name=doxadmit>[[:File:Naught on WCT dox.png]]</ref><ref name=naughtedit>[https://archive.ph/wip/9215A Archive of the edit]</ref>

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==Trolling Years==

According to a thread on Naught co-created by [[The WCT]] and another member on the Kiwi Farms splinter site lolcow.org, before becoming an ardent white knight of Chris's, Naught was initially one of Chris's lesser trolls. Naught was allegedly a lesser member of [[the Miscreants]], and it is believed that his voice could be faintly heard in the second half of [[Mumble 9]].<ref name=naughtthread></ref> The thread had also claimed that Naught had stated regret for trolling Chris in private, though the circumstances at which this happened and/or the private messages themselves are undisclosed, and had been a white knight of Chris's since the mid 2010s.

==Interactions with Chris==
[[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|left|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]
Chris stated that Naught began interacting with him in late 2019 after approaching him when Chris was creating an expansion pack for lore provided to him by MKRNightVee and Jacob.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Nauht and Geno]]</ref> Naught would roleplay with Chris as the CPU Goddess, '''Vee''', '''CPU Bismuth Heart''', the CPU goddess of the children's educational game console, the V-Smile.

In most [[Naught DMs|conversations]] between Chris and Naught, Chris had spoken to him about his dreams and delusions. Chris has talked to Naught about all of the surreal dreams that he had all throughout the summer of 2020.<ref>[[Dreams#Summer 2020 dreams]]</ref> Naught had also shown Chris various anime and manga, much of which Chris had implemented in his fantasies.<ref>[[The Place chats - Infighting, Anime, and the Merge]]</ref> At one point, Naught had recommended the anime series ''Higurashi'' to Chris, believing that it would be of interest of him due to the show's use of time travel.

When Chris created a video where he [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|discusses plans to create a will]], Chris had shared the video with Naught in a Google Drive on 6 August 2020, and told him not to leak the video. After this, Naught was concerned about the morose implications of the video, and created a CWCki account, '''Ihasnoname''', where he created a page to leak the video on. Naught had also provided commentary and context on a number of transcribed DMs between him and Chris.

[[File:SonichuOrder.png|thumb|170px|An order from a customer, which Naught had posted on the Second Layer of The Place.]]

Chris, not wanting to deal with customers, had demanded Naught to keep track of orders made for his [[TSSSF]] cards and Sonichu comics.<ref name=TSSSF>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Orders From 2020]]</ref> In September 2020, Chris had sent the information of 23 of his paying customers when they bought merchandise from him after sending payment information to Naught, which contained the customer's name, address, phone number, and email. Naught then posted the orders including the doxes on the second layer of [[The Place]] server, where he had posted pdfs of the Sonichu comics up to [[Sonichu #13]] and a Google Drive of all of Chris's [[TSSSF]] cards.<ref name=TSSSF></ref>

Naught encouraged Chris to go onto the [[Official CWCki Server]] in [[August 2020]],<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)#Inviting Chris to Official CWCki Server]]</ref> roughly a month after the server's creation. On the server, Naught had also leaked a number of posts and photos he found onto the server.

Late in February 2021, Naught had discussed plans with [[MKRNightVee]] to get Chris to interact with the lolcow Alexander Gordon Jahans, whom both Naught and MKR had interest in, though no signs of them interacting ever came.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]</ref>

Naught claimed to having been the original player of the [[Lainchu]] character,<ref name=NaughtLainchu></ref> and has hinted at getting Chris interested in the anime the character was based on, Serial Experiments Lain, in a private chat.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion#18 March 2021, part 1]]</ref> However, Naught also claims that he passed off the role for "reasons he can't recall".<ref name=NaughtLainchu>[[The Place chats (March 2021)#Rejection of the Fourth Lainchu]]</ref>

Chris used [[Tarot]] readings to divine Naught's future in April 2021. Naught posted these tarot readings on Onion Farms.<ref>{{Cite onion|thread=2150}}</ref> In the divine readings, Chris declares that as leader Naught will likely speak up against others on certain topics. The end of the divine readings has Chris telling Naught to "embrace his weirdness".

==As a Watchman==

{{quote|i curb weens and alogs|Naught on his duties as a Watchman|<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raid]]</ref>}}

[[File:Naught'sPowerFantasy.jpg|thumb|Naught threatening to "curb" a Discord user.]]

After [[Owls]] left the CWC scene, Naught stepped into his position. Naught become an owner of the Watchmen server [[The Place]]. On 13 February 2021, Naught stepped down and transferred ownership of The Place to [[Kyle]].<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The Lainchu Manifesto#Transfer of Power]]</ref>

Naught was also in the habit of trying to get fellow Watchmen members to share their Kiwi Farms accounts with him. He made use of [[Spunky]]'s account, "Thetarotreader96", repurposing it as "death of chans".<ref>https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-16378 (archive: https://archive.ph/sHJsm)</ref> Naught also tried asking [[The WCT]] for his credentials; when The WCT declined, Naught posted his dox in retaliation.

===Midnight Moonflower===

When they have heard that Chris was a member of her server, Naught, along with several other Watchmen members had raided [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord server to cut contacts between her and Chris, under the belief that she was a ween, and warning them that they may get doxed due to their association with Chris, while also telling them about his duty to "curb weens and alogs", and that they could potentially get a CWCki page or Kiwi Farms thread.<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raids]]</ref>

===Conflicts with Praetor===

The earliest Chris has been known to discuss [[Praetor]] with Naught was on 14 October 2020, where he discusses their interpretation of his [[Disc Dream]], and mentions their plans of him doing a [[Goochland Library Sermon|sermon at the Goochland Public Library]]. Naught replied to the video plans with "Are you sure you're comfortable with doing a video? And was this cadens idea?". When Chris replies to being comfortable with doing the video, Naught had told Chris to be sure that doing so would be "mutually beneficial and reciprocal".<ref>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>

On [[February 2021]], Chris had stated to [[Kyle]] that he wished to open an inter-dimensional portal by shocking his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]]. Chris had decided that he could do this by asking Praetor for one of their tasers, and state the news to Naught.<ref>[[Naught DMs#Chris wants to activate the Merge by playing with taser]]</ref> Naught had then notified members of The Place about these plans, and gathered them up to confront the Praetors themselves.<ref>[[The Place chats - Watchmen-Praetor confrontations#5 February 2021]]</ref>

Afterwards, Naught posted Chris announcing this to him onto Kiwi Farms, while claiming that he was concerned that they were in on a "plot" involving [[Larry Vaughn]] which involves getting Chris to tase himself. In Naught's Kiwi Farms post, he alleged that "Caden and cwc as Sonichu prime discuss the tazer and who will be tazed",<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=naught|thread=84502|post=8301396}}</ref> omitting that Watchmen member Val had brought up the subject and that Caden had objected. The post had also included a [[Taser Discussion|voice chat]] which has been heavily edited to only include specific clips to frame Praetor members for this alleged plan.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)#Taser Discusion clip]]</ref> In the clip, [[Val]] states, "Can you put, 'Can CWC- uh, like, tase himself on video for lulz'." Chris then responds, "I'll do it," to which Val bursts out laughing. [[Praetor]] member Caden then objects, saying, "Look, are you sure- There- they- like, we had a whole discussion about ''why'' it's a bad idea."

==Interviews==
===Origins===
[[File:Marvin on conventions claim.png|thumb|200px|Guard Dog [[Marvin]] disagrees with a claim made by Naught.]]
The following is a conversation between a Christorian and Naught via Discord; the users are color-coded red and navy blue, respectively. The interview was originally placed on the Watchmen CWCki page but was later removed due to uncorroborated statements made by Naught<ref>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&type=revision&diff=252258&oldid=252227</ref> and is now archived on this page.

Naught claimed that some members of the Watchmen had been operating since [[2018]], as the spiritual successor to the [[Guard Dogs]] – the latter having disbanded around the same time frame. However, Naught's account was disputed by a member of the Guard Dogs.

Naught also claimed that Watchmen members [[MKRNightVee]] and [[AquaDiamond8]] were picked by [[Null]]. However, MKRNightVee got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number for her<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/</ref> and Aqua joined during the [[Sockness]] saga by which time Null had been distant from Chris.

{{quoteboxred|I had a question in my head, if its fine for me to ask, could you tell me how exactly you guys met CWC and when you formed the group}}

Naught quoted a now-deleted section from the [[Guard Dogs]] CWCki article:
{{quoteboxwhite|Following the incidents at TooManyGames, in which Chris was thrown out of the con for being too handsy with other attendees, Null and several other members of the Guard Dogs began investigating Justin Silverman's account of the situation, intending to find out if Justin had overreacted towards Chris's behaviour. Ultimately, this investigation petered out with no real progress having been made, save for the fact that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at any conventions he visited from then on.}}

{{quoteboxred|Oh, so you guys were picked by Null}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's why Marvin is there since the captain couldn't stick around but the plan is still the same}}

{{quoteboxred|Ah, so the captain was in there too but left after a while}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah mkr helped get the cwc protect squad out of the way with the fan art for cwc}}

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===History===
On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Naught through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Naught's responses color-coded green.

The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.

{{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}

{{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}

{{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}

{{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.

After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}

The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.

{{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Stress and people @ her on Twitter

Her and mkr are still frens}}

{{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes}}

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===Follow-up on Origins===
Afterwards, the CWCki Editor [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] asked Naught to clarify the Watchmen's origins. In a prior interview, Naught had claimed the Watchmen to have been working with the Guard Dogs to supervise Chris at conventions, however a Guard Dog disagreed with the claim. Naught blamed Watchmen founder [[Owls]], claiming the story was what he had been told by Owls.

{{quoteboxred|Are you the one the CWCki calls Naught?

Wanted to ask something clarifying the Watchmen origins if so. There's conflicting statements.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yes}}

{{quoteboxred|So you quoted the Guard Dogs article to explain the group origins - a section that said the Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at cons after the TMG disaster. But the editor who put that in since retracted it for lack of source and Marvin said there were no babysitters and that Chris was on his own.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's what owls/Ryan told me

He's no longer around he's ghostbird on the farm's}}

{{quoteboxred|Hmm. Interesting.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|That's why I'm around he wasn't reporting back to Marvin

There was something about the footage smokey chris and theSperge}}

{{quoteboxred|Owl's was the original person behind the group?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|He started [[The Place|the place]] server and was telling mkr and Marvin he was doing x y and z but wasn't}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright if I quote you on on the CWCki? Gonna try to fix up the Origins section.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Ok

There was even a panel where he insisted his owl avatar in the comic}}

{{quoteboxred|MKR's?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah owls was the one making it canon mkr draws}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright, thanks for the info.}}

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==See also==
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)]]
*[[MKRNightVee]]
*[[Naught DMs]]
*[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)]]
*[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]

==Notes==
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{{Unreliable|type=cred|Naught is a habitual liar and gives contradictory statements.{{refn|group="note"|Falsely claimed [[Watchmen]] members were appointed by the [[Guard Dogs]] group, a claim that Marvin, a former Guard Dog, disagreed with. Initially denied, then admitted to, doxing [[The WCT]]. Naught had also claimed to promise to Null to stop making sockpuppets to like his own posts, which he did anyway, leading to his main account getting banned.}}|Naught is noted for having delusions of grandeur.<ref group=note>On one ocassion, Naught threatened a member of [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord Server that she'd be doxed, proclaiming that he "curbs weens and alogs".</ref>|Naught will often put his own spin on events that happened, embellish them, or try to demonize people he's interacted with, sometimes leaving out important context.{{refn|group="note"|Omitted key context from his leak of [[Taser Discussion]]. He also used a [[:File:PraetorSample.jpg|cropped out]] "you may also like" portion of an Etsy sale for a Sonichu medallion, claiming it to be on the Praetor etsy page.}}|Naught appears to take advantage of his presumed allies, encourages infighting between them, and throws them under the bus when it is most convenient for him.<ref group = note>Has attempted to use at least two of his associate's Kiwi Farms accounts, and doxed the WCT after they declined him using it. The dox would lead to significant infighting between him and Naught.</ref>}}
{{Unreliable|type=sock}}

{{quote|You brought so much fucking joy to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Naught on why he 'protects' Chris.<ref>[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
|name = Naught
|aliases = Bismuth Bis CPU Bismuth Heart nitto nanashi . ❤️ heart<ref group=note>A nickname given to Naught, alluding to him using a heart emoticon as his username in the CWCki Discord Server</ref> tabula rasa<ref>[[:File:Naught-CWC-7Sept20 - Handle shipments6.jpg]]</ref> anameisaname death of chans Nightmare .moe Toad WCT Hate<ref name = "naughtthread"></ref> [[User:Ihasnoname|Ihasnoname]] noot snafu zilch atomized -<ref>In [[The Place chats - Psychic Detective]], Chris chats with - and calls him by his Bismuth alias.</ref> ภคยﻮђՇ<ref>[[Naught DMs#Fulfill the orders]]</ref> W.T.snacks<ref name=wt>[https://www.onionfarms.com/attachments/halal-server-zip.10884/ Zip file of Halal Server leaks hosted at Onion Farms] See "Halal - Watchmen - silvia-spunk-emily-spruill-silverangel [873480191501017089" channel at 07-Aug-21 07:43 AM timestamp</ref> Archivist NEET Samurai ladmin
|image = Naught.jpg
|size = 250
|gender = Male
|nationality = American
|race = Mixed (White/Asian)
|organization = [[Watchmen]]
|knownfor = • Being the self-proclaimed leader of the Watchmen • Being the original [[Lainchu]] • Inviting Chris into the Discord Server for the CWCki • Providing numerous Chris related leaks on the CWCki server • Spreading rumors about various Chris orbiters, including members in his own group
|saga = {{saga|shipfic|cn}}, {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}
|occupation = Self-proclaimed Leader of the Watchmen (former) Owner of the The Place server Administrator of the Onion Farms
|}}

'''Naught''', also known as '''Bismuth''' and plenty of other pseudonyms, is one of the most prominent members of the defunct [[Watchmen]]. He was one of the owners of their [[Discord]] server [[The Place]]. Naught monitored, harassed, and sought to [[dox]] potential [[weens]] or [[enablers]] who existed outside of the Watchmen clique. Naught was also a prominent contributor to the [[Watchmen infighting drama]]s which eventually culminated in his ouster from the group and Chris cutting ties.

Naught went by many usernames - he used "Bismuth" and '''CPU Bismuth Heart''' to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including "'''anameisaname'''", "'''death of chans'''", "'''Nightmare'''".<ref name=naughtthread>[https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/ OP of Naught's lolcow.org thread] ([https://archive.fo/G30td archive])</ref>, and "'''.moe'''".<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/halal-private-channels-halal-general-873250859369250879-html.2444981/ A Kiwi Farms link to a private channel in the Halal Server, See 06-Aug-21 2:10 PM timestamp]</ref> Naught claims to have used at least 22 sockpuppet accounts on Kiwi Farms alone.<ref name=twentytwo></ref>

When Chris had discussed with Naught and other members of [[The Place]] about planning to use one of [[Praetor]]'s [[taser]]s to tase his quartz crystals, Naught, along with MKRNightVee, The WCT, and Kyle, confronted [[Caden Peck]]. Naught and MKRNightVee created and pushed rumors that Praetor members wanted to get Chris to tase himself, leaked bits of chats out-of-context regarding the issue to frame Praetor, and even doxed Caden. All of this upset Chris and resulted in him calling The Place members out for it.

Chris had finallly cut contact with Naught in June 2021 citing Naught's toxic behavior in doxing fellow Watchman The WCT, and the WCT had convinced him to cut ties with Naught, along with MKR and Kyle.<ref>[[June 2021 Watchmen calls]]</ref><ref>[[MKR DMs#On Chris leaving The Place]]</ref> Naught would eventually publicly admit he had done because WCT had declined to share his [[Kiwi Farms]] account with him after being banned on Kiwi Farms.<ref name=doxadmit>[[:File:Naught on WCT dox.png]]</ref><ref name=naughtedit>[https://archive.ph/wip/9215A Archive of the edit]</ref>

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==Trolling Years==

According to a thread on Naught co-created by [[The WCT]] and another member on the Kiwi Farms splinter site lolcow.org, before becoming an ardent white knight of Chris's, Naught was initially one of Chris's lesser trolls. Naught was allegedly a lesser member of [[the Miscreants]], and it is believed that his voice could be faintly heard in the second half of [[Mumble 9]].<ref name=naughtthread></ref> The thread had also claimed that Naught had stated regret for trolling Chris in private, though the circumstances at which this happened and/or the private messages themselves are undisclosed, and had been a white knight of Chris's since the mid 2010s.

==Interactions with Chris==
[[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|left|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]
Chris stated that Naught began interacting with him in late 2019 after approaching him when Chris was creating an expansion pack for lore provided to him by MKRNightVee and Jacob.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Nauht and Geno]]</ref> Naught would roleplay with Chris as the CPU Goddess, '''Vee''', '''CPU Bismuth Heart''', the CPU goddess of the children's educational game console, the V-Smile.

In most [[Naught DMs|conversations]] between Chris and Naught, Chris had spoken to him about his dreams and delusions. Chris has talked to Naught about all of the surreal dreams that he had all throughout the summer of 2020.<ref>[[Dreams#Summer 2020 dreams]]</ref> Naught had also shown Chris various anime and manga, much of which Chris had implemented in his fantasies.<ref>[[The Place chats - Infighting, Anime, and the Merge]]</ref> At one point, Naught had recommended the anime series ''Higurashi'' to Chris, believing that it would be of interest of him due to the show's use of time travel.

When Chris created a video where he [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|discusses plans to create a will]], Chris had shared the video with Naught in a Google Drive on 6 August 2020, and told him not to leak the video. After this, Naught was concerned about the morose implications of the video, and created a CWCki account, '''Ihasnoname''', where he created a page to leak the video on. Naught had also provided commentary and context on a number of transcribed DMs between him and Chris.

[[File:SonichuOrder.png|thumb|170px|An order from a customer, which Naught had posted on the Second Layer of The Place.]]

Chris, not wanting to deal with customers, had demanded Naught to keep track of orders made for his [[TSSSF]] cards and Sonichu comics.<ref name=TSSSF>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Orders From 2020]]</ref> In September 2020, Chris had sent the information of 23 of his paying customers when they bought merchandise from him after sending payment information to Naught, which contained the customer's name, address, phone number, and email. Naught then posted the orders including the doxes on the second layer of [[The Place]] server, where he had posted pdfs of the Sonichu comics up to [[Sonichu #13]] and a Google Drive of all of Chris's [[TSSSF]] cards.<ref name=TSSSF></ref>

Naught encouraged Chris to go onto the [[Official CWCki Server]] in [[August 2020]],<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)#Inviting Chris to Official CWCki Server]]</ref> roughly a month after the server's creation. On the server, Naught had also leaked a number of posts and photos he found onto the server.

Late in February 2021, Naught had discussed plans with [[MKRNightVee]] to get Chris to interact with the lolcow Alexander Gordon Jahans, whom both Naught and MKR had interest in, though no signs of them interacting ever came.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]</ref>

Naught claimed to having been the original player of the [[Lainchu]] character,<ref name=NaughtLainchu></ref> and has hinted at getting Chris interested in the anime the character was based on, Serial Experiments Lain, in a private chat.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion#18 March 2021, part 1]]</ref> However, Naught also claims that he passed off the role for "reasons he can't recall".<ref name=NaughtLainchu>[[The Place chats (March 2021)#Rejection of the Fourth Lainchu]]</ref>

Chris used [[Tarot]] readings to divine Naught's future in April 2021. Naught posted these tarot readings on Onion Farms.<ref>{{Cite onion|thread=2150}}</ref> In the divine readings, Chris declares that as leader Naught will likely speak up against others on certain topics. The end of the divine readings has Chris telling Naught to "embrace his weirdness".

==As a Watchman==

{{quote|i curb weens and alogs|Naught on his duties as a Watchman|<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raid]]</ref>}}

[[File:Naught'sPowerFantasy.jpg|thumb|Naught threatening to "curb" a Discord user.]]

After [[Owls]] left the CWC scene, Naught stepped into his position. Naught become an owner of the Watchmen server [[The Place]]. On 13 February 2021, Naught stepped down and transferred ownership of The Place to [[Kyle]].<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The Lainchu Manifesto#Transfer of Power]]</ref>

Naught was also in the habit of trying to get fellow Watchmen members to share their Kiwi Farms accounts with him. He made use of [[Spunky]]'s account, "Thetarotreader96", repurposing it as "death of chans".<ref>https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-16378 (archive: https://archive.ph/sHJsm)</ref> Naught also tried asking [[The WCT]] for his credentials; when The WCT declined, Naught posted his dox in retaliation.

===Midnight Moonflower===

When they have heard that Chris was a member of her server, Naught, along with several other Watchmen members had raided [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord server to cut contacts between her and Chris, under the belief that she was a ween, and warning them that they may get doxed due to their association with Chris, while also telling them about his duty to "curb weens and alogs", and that they could potentially get a CWCki page or Kiwi Farms thread.<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raids]]</ref>

===Conflicts with Praetor===

The earliest Chris has been known to discuss [[Praetor]] with Naught was on 14 October 2020, where he discusses their interpretation of his [[Disc Dream]], and mentions their plans of him doing a [[Goochland Library Sermon|sermon at the Goochland Public Library]]. Naught replied to the video plans with "Are you sure you're comfortable with doing a video? And was this cadens idea?". When Chris replies to being comfortable with doing the video, Naught had told Chris to be sure that doing so would be "mutually beneficial and reciprocal".<ref>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>

On [[February 2021]], Chris had stated to [[Kyle]] that he wished to open an inter-dimensional portal by shocking his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]]. Chris had decided that he could do this by asking Praetor for one of their tasers, and state the news to Naught.<ref>[[Naught DMs#Chris wants to activate the Merge by playing with taser]]</ref> Naught had then notified members of The Place about these plans, and gathered them up to confront the Praetors themselves.<ref>[[The Place chats - Watchmen-Praetor confrontations#5 February 2021]]</ref>

Afterwards, Naught posted Chris announcing this to him onto Kiwi Farms, while claiming that he was concerned that they were in on a "plot" involving [[Larry Vaughn]] which involves getting Chris to tase himself. In Naught's Kiwi Farms post, he alleged that "Caden and cwc as Sonichu prime discuss the tazer and who will be tazed",<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=naught|thread=84502|post=8301396}}</ref> omitting that Watchmen member Val had brought up the subject and that Caden had objected. The post had also included a [[Taser Discussion|voice chat]] which has been heavily edited to only include specific clips to frame Praetor members for this alleged plan.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)#Taser Discusion clip]]</ref> In the clip, [[Val]] states, "Can you put, 'Can CWC- uh, like, tase himself on video for lulz'." Chris then responds, "I'll do it," to which Val bursts out laughing. [[Praetor]] member Caden then objects, saying, "Look, are you sure- There- they- like, we had a whole discussion about ''why'' it's a bad idea."

==Interviews==
===Origins===
[[File:Marvin on conventions claim.png|thumb|200px|Guard Dog [[Marvin]] disagrees with a claim made by Naught.]]
The following is a conversation between a Christorian and Naught via Discord; the users are color-coded red and navy blue, respectively. The interview was originally placed on the Watchmen CWCki page but was later removed due to uncorroborated statements made by Naught<ref>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&type=revision&diff=252258&oldid=252227</ref> and is now archived on this page.

Naught claimed that some members of the Watchmen had been operating since [[2018]], as the spiritual successor to the [[Guard Dogs]] – the latter having disbanded around the same time frame. However, Naught's account was disputed by a member of the Guard Dogs.

Naught also claimed that Watchmen members [[MKRNightVee]] and [[AquaDiamond8]] were picked by [[Null]]. However, MKRNightVee got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number for her<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/</ref> and Aqua joined during the [[Sockness]] saga by which time Null had been distant from Chris.

{{quoteboxred|I had a question in my head, if its fine for me to ask, could you tell me how exactly you guys met CWC and when you formed the group}}

Naught quoted a now-deleted section from the [[Guard Dogs]] CWCki article:
{{quoteboxwhite|Following the incidents at TooManyGames, in which Chris was thrown out of the con for being too handsy with other attendees, Null and several other members of the Guard Dogs began investigating Justin Silverman's account of the situation, intending to find out if Justin had overreacted towards Chris's behaviour. Ultimately, this investigation petered out with no real progress having been made, save for the fact that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at any conventions he visited from then on.}}

{{quoteboxred|Oh, so you guys were picked by Null}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's why Marvin is there since the captain couldn't stick around but the plan is still the same}}

{{quoteboxred|Ah, so the captain was in there too but left after a while}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah mkr helped get the cwc protect squad out of the way with the fan art for cwc}}

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===History===
On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Naught through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Naught's responses color-coded green.

The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.

{{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}

{{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}

{{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}

{{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.

After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}

The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.

{{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Stress and people @ her on Twitter

Her and mkr are still frens}}

{{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes}}

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===Follow-up on Origins===
Afterwards, the CWCki Editor [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] asked Naught to clarify the Watchmen's origins. In a prior interview, Naught had claimed the Watchmen to have been working with the Guard Dogs to supervise Chris at conventions, however a Guard Dog disagreed with the claim. Naught blamed Watchmen founder [[Owls]], claiming the story was what he had been told by Owls.

{{quoteboxred|Are you the one the CWCki calls Naught?

Wanted to ask something clarifying the Watchmen origins if so. There's conflicting statements.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yes}}

{{quoteboxred|So you quoted the Guard Dogs article to explain the group origins - a section that said the Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at cons after the TMG disaster. But the editor who put that in since retracted it for lack of source and Marvin said there were no babysitters and that Chris was on his own.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's what owls/Ryan told me

He's no longer around he's ghostbird on the farm's}}

{{quoteboxred|Hmm. Interesting.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|That's why I'm around he wasn't reporting back to Marvin

There was something about the footage smokey chris and theSperge}}

{{quoteboxred|Owl's was the original person behind the group?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|He started [[The Place|the place]] server and was telling mkr and Marvin he was doing x y and z but wasn't}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright if I quote you on on the CWCki? Gonna try to fix up the Origins section.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Ok

There was even a panel where he insisted his owl avatar in the comic}}

{{quoteboxred|MKR's?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah owls was the one making it canon mkr draws}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright, thanks for the info.}}

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==See also==
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)]]
*[[MKRNightVee]]
*[[Naught DMs]]
*[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)]]
*[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]

==Notes==
<references group="note"/>

{{References}}
{{WatchmenSaga}}
{{2020DiscordLeaks}}
{{People}}

[[Category:Miscreants Members]]
[[Category:Watchmen Members]]

Naught

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{{Unreliable|type=cred|Naught is a habitual liar and gives contradictory statements.{{refn|group="note"|Falsely claimed [[Watchmen]] members were appointed by the [[Guard Dogs]] group, a claim that Marvin, a former Guard Dog, disagreed with. Initially denied, then admitted to, doxing [[The WCT]]. Naught had also claimed to promise to Null to stop making sockpuppets to like his own posts, which he did anyway, leading to his main account getting banned.}}|Naught is noted for having delusions of grandeur.<ref group=note>On one ocassion, Naught threatened a member of [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord Server that she'd be doxed, proclaiming that he "curbs weens and alogs".</ref>|Naught will often put his own spin on events that happened, embellish them, or try to demonize people he's interacted with, sometimes leaving out important context.{{refn|group="note"|Omitted key context from his leak of [[Taser Discussion]]. He also used a [[:File:PraetorSample.jpg|cropped out]] "you may also like" portion of an Etsy sale for a Sonichu medallion, claiming it to be on the Praetor etsy page.}}|Naught appears to take advantage of his presumed allies, encourages infighting between them, and throws them under the bus when it is most convenient for him.<ref group = note>Has attempted to use at least two of his associate's Kiwi Farms accounts, and doxed the WCT after they declined him using it. The dox would lead to significant infighting between him and Naught.</ref>}}
{{Unreliable|type=sock}}

{{quote|You brought so much fucking joy to this world and you continue to do so. That's why [...] you need to remain safe.|Naught on why he 'protects' Chris.<ref>[[CWC and Friends on Google Hangout (July 20th, 2020)]]</ref>}}

{{Infobox Person
|name = Naught
|aliases = Bismuth Bis CPU Bismuth Heart nitto nanashi . ❤️ heart<ref group=note>A nickname given to Naught, alluding to him using a heart emoticon as his username in the CWCki Discord Server</ref> tabula rasa<ref>[[:File:Naught-CWC-7Sept20 - Handle shipments6.jpg]]</ref> anameisaname death of chans Nightmare .moe Toad WCT Hate<ref name = "naughtthread"></ref> [[User:Ihasnoname|Ihasnoname]] noot snafu zilch atomized -<ref>In [[The Place chats - Psychic Detective]], Chris chats with - and calls him by his Bismuth alias.</ref> ภคยﻮђՇ<ref>[[Naught DMs#Fulfill the orders]]</ref> W.T.snacks<ref name=wt>[https://www.onionfarms.com/attachments/halal-server-zip.10884/ Zip file of Halal Server leaks hosted at Onion Farms] See "Halal - Watchmen - silvia-spunk-emily-spruill-silverangel [873480191501017089" channel at 07-Aug-21 07:43 AM timestamp</ref> Archivist NEET Samurai ladmin
|image = Naught.jpg
|size = 250
|gender = Male
|nationality = American
|race = Mixed (White/Asian)
|organization = [[Watchmen]]
|knownfor = • Being the self-proclaimed leader of the Watchmen • Being the original [[Lainchu]] • Inviting Chris into the Discord Server for the CWCki • Providing numerous Chris related leaks on the CWCki server • Spreading rumors about various Chris orbiters, including members in his own group
|saga = {{saga|shipfic|cn}}, {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}
|occupation = Self-proclaimed Leader of the Watchmen (former) Owner of the The Place server Administrator of the Onion Farms
|}}

'''Naught''', also known as '''Bismuth''' and plenty of other pseudonyms, is one of the most prominent members of the defunct [[Watchmen]]. He was one of the owners of their [[Discord]] server [[The Place]]. Naught monitored, harassed, and sought to [[dox]] potential [[weens]] or [[enablers]] who existed outside of the Watchmen clique. Naught was also a prominent contributor to the [[Watchmen infighting drama]]s which eventually culminated in his ouster from the group and Chris cutting ties with him.

Naught went by many usernames - he used "Bismuth" and '''CPU Bismuth Heart''' to Chris and used multiple aliases in public postings. While he was in the CWCki Discord server, he often used an emoticon of a heart. For the [[Kiwi Farms]], he went by names/accounts including "'''anameisaname'''", "'''death of chans'''", "'''Nightmare'''".<ref name=naughtthread>[https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/ OP of Naught's lolcow.org thread] ([https://archive.fo/G30td archive])</ref>, and "'''.moe'''".<ref>[https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/halal-private-channels-halal-general-873250859369250879-html.2444981/ A Kiwi Farms link to a private channel in the Halal Server, See 06-Aug-21 2:10 PM timestamp]</ref> Naught claims to have used at least 22 sockpuppet accounts on Kiwi Farms alone.<ref name=twentytwo></ref>

When Chris had discussed with Naught and other members of [[The Place]] about planning to use one of [[Praetor]]'s [[taser]]s to tase his quartz crystals, Naught, along with MKRNightVee, The WCT, and Kyle, confronted [[Caden Peck]]. Naught and MKRNightVee created and pushed rumors that Praetor members wanted to get Chris to tase himself, leaked bits of chats out-of-context regarding the issue to frame Praetor, and even doxed Caden. All of this upset Chris and resulted in him calling The Place members out for it.

Chris had finallly cut contact with Naught in June 2021 citing Naught's toxic behavior in doxing fellow Watchman The WCT, and the WCT had convinced him to cut ties with Naught, along with MKR and Kyle.<ref>[[June 2021 Watchmen calls]]</ref><ref>[[MKR DMs#On Chris leaving The Place]]</ref> Naught would eventually publicly admit he had done because WCT had declined to share his [[Kiwi Farms]] account with him after being banned on Kiwi Farms.<ref name=doxadmit>[[:File:Naught on WCT dox.png]]</ref><ref name=naughtedit>[https://archive.ph/wip/9215A Archive of the edit]</ref>

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==Trolling Years==

According to a thread on Naught co-created by [[The WCT]] and another member on the Kiwi Farms splinter site lolcow.org, before becoming an ardent white knight of Chris's, Naught was initially one of Chris's lesser trolls. Naught was allegedly a lesser member of [[the Miscreants]], and it is believed that his voice could be faintly heard in the second half of [[Mumble 9]].<ref name=naughtthread></ref> The thread had also claimed that Naught had stated regret for trolling Chris in private, though the circumstances at which this happened and/or the private messages themselves are undisclosed, and had been a white knight of Chris's since the mid 2010s.

==Interactions with Chris==
[[File:CPUBismuthHeart.jpg|150px|thumb|left|Avatar of CPU Bismuth Heart.]]
Chris stated that Naught began interacting with him in late 2019 after approaching him when Chris was creating an expansion pack for lore provided to him by MKRNightVee and Jacob.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Nauht and Geno]]</ref> Naught would roleplay with Chris as the CPU Goddess, '''Vee''', '''CPU Bismuth Heart''', the CPU goddess of the children's educational game console, the V-Smile.

In most [[Naught DMs|conversations]] between Chris and Naught, Chris had spoken to him about his dreams and delusions. Chris has talked to Naught about all of the surreal dreams that he had all throughout the summer of 2020.<ref>[[Dreams#Summer 2020 dreams]]</ref> Naught had also shown Chris various anime and manga, much of which Chris had implemented in his fantasies.<ref>[[The Place chats - Infighting, Anime, and the Merge]]</ref> At one point, Naught had recommended the anime series ''Higurashi'' to Chris, believing that it would be of interest of him due to the show's use of time travel.

When Chris created a video where he [[Chris's Last Will and Testament|discusses plans to create a will]], Chris had shared the video with Naught in a Google Drive on 6 August 2020, and told him not to leak the video. After this, Naught was concerned about the morose implications of the video, and created a CWCki account, '''Ihasnoname''', where he created a page to leak the video on. Naught had also provided commentary and context on a number of transcribed DMs between him and Chris.

[[File:SonichuOrder.png|thumb|170px|An order from a customer, which Naught had posted on the Second Layer of The Place.]]

Chris, not wanting to deal with customers, had demanded Naught to keep track of orders made for his [[TSSSF]] cards and Sonichu comics.<ref name=TSSSF>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Orders From 2020]]</ref> In September 2020, Chris had sent the information of 23 of his paying customers when they bought merchandise from him after sending payment information to Naught, which contained the customer's name, address, phone number, and email. Naught then posted the orders including the doxes on the second layer of [[The Place]] server, where he had posted pdfs of the Sonichu comics up to [[Sonichu #13]] and a Google Drive of all of Chris's [[TSSSF]] cards.<ref name=TSSSF></ref>

Naught encouraged Chris to go onto the [[Official CWCki Server]] in [[August 2020]],<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)#Inviting Chris to Official CWCki Server]]</ref> roughly a month after the server's creation. On the server, Naught had also leaked a number of posts and photos he found onto the server.

Late in February 2021, Naught had discussed plans with [[MKRNightVee]] to get Chris to interact with the lolcow Alexander Gordon Jahans, whom both Naught and MKR had interest in, though no signs of them interacting ever came.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]</ref>

Naught claimed to having been the original player of the [[Lainchu]] character,<ref name=NaughtLainchu></ref> and has hinted at getting Chris interested in the anime the character was based on, Serial Experiments Lain, in a private chat.<ref>[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion#18 March 2021, part 1]]</ref> However, Naught also claims that he passed off the role for "reasons he can't recall".<ref name=NaughtLainchu>[[The Place chats (March 2021)#Rejection of the Fourth Lainchu]]</ref>

Chris used [[Tarot]] readings to divine Naught's future in April 2021. Naught posted these tarot readings on Onion Farms.<ref>{{Cite onion|thread=2150}}</ref> In the divine readings, Chris declares that as leader Naught will likely speak up against others on certain topics. The end of the divine readings has Chris telling Naught to "embrace his weirdness".

==As a Watchman==

{{quote|i curb weens and alogs|Naught on his duties as a Watchman|<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raid]]</ref>}}

[[File:Naught'sPowerFantasy.jpg|thumb|Naught threatening to "curb" a Discord user.]]

After [[Owls]] left the CWC scene, Naught stepped into his position. Naught become an owner of the Watchmen server [[The Place]]. On 13 February 2021, Naught stepped down and transferred ownership of The Place to [[Kyle]].<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The Lainchu Manifesto#Transfer of Power]]</ref>

Naught was also in the habit of trying to get fellow Watchmen members to share their Kiwi Farms accounts with him. He made use of [[Spunky]]'s account, "Thetarotreader96", repurposing it as "death of chans".<ref>https://www.lolcow.org/threads/naught-bismuth-anameisaname-anon-llc-nitto-nanashi-death-of-chans-doppelganger-tardwarsllc-cpu-bismuth-heart-ctrl-moe.724/post-16378 (archive: https://archive.ph/sHJsm)</ref> Naught also tried asking [[The WCT]] for his credentials; when The WCT declined, Naught posted his dox in retaliation.

===Midnight Moonflower===

When they have heard that Chris was a member of her server, Naught, along with several other Watchmen members had raided [[Midnight Moonflower]]'s Discord server to cut contacts between her and Chris, under the belief that she was a ween, and warning them that they may get doxed due to their association with Chris, while also telling them about his duty to "curb weens and alogs", and that they could potentially get a CWCki page or Kiwi Farms thread.<ref>[[Midnight Moonflower Discord chats#Watchmen Raids]]</ref>

===Conflicts with Praetor===

The earliest Chris has been known to discuss [[Praetor]] with Naught was on 14 October 2020, where he discusses their interpretation of his [[Disc Dream]], and mentions their plans of him doing a [[Goochland Library Sermon|sermon at the Goochland Public Library]]. Naught replied to the video plans with "Are you sure you're comfortable with doing a video? And was this cadens idea?". When Chris replies to being comfortable with doing the video, Naught had told Chris to be sure that doing so would be "mutually beneficial and reciprocal".<ref>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>

On [[February 2021]], Chris had stated to [[Kyle]] that he wished to open an inter-dimensional portal by shocking his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]]. Chris had decided that he could do this by asking Praetor for one of their tasers, and state the news to Naught.<ref>[[Naught DMs#Chris wants to activate the Merge by playing with taser]]</ref> Naught had then notified members of The Place about these plans, and gathered them up to confront the Praetors themselves.<ref>[[The Place chats - Watchmen-Praetor confrontations#5 February 2021]]</ref>

Afterwards, Naught posted Chris announcing this to him onto Kiwi Farms, while claiming that he was concerned that they were in on a "plot" involving [[Larry Vaughn]] which involves getting Chris to tase himself. In Naught's Kiwi Farms post, he alleged that "Caden and cwc as Sonichu prime discuss the tazer and who will be tazed",<ref>{{Cite farms|writer=naught|thread=84502|post=8301396}}</ref> omitting that Watchmen member Val had brought up the subject and that Caden had objected. The post had also included a [[Taser Discussion|voice chat]] which has been heavily edited to only include specific clips to frame Praetor members for this alleged plan.<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)#Taser Discusion clip]]</ref> In the clip, [[Val]] states, "Can you put, 'Can CWC- uh, like, tase himself on video for lulz'." Chris then responds, "I'll do it," to which Val bursts out laughing. [[Praetor]] member Caden then objects, saying, "Look, are you sure- There- they- like, we had a whole discussion about ''why'' it's a bad idea."

==Interviews==
===Origins===
[[File:Marvin on conventions claim.png|thumb|200px|Guard Dog [[Marvin]] disagrees with a claim made by Naught.]]
The following is a conversation between a Christorian and Naught via Discord; the users are color-coded red and navy blue, respectively. The interview was originally placed on the Watchmen CWCki page but was later removed due to uncorroborated statements made by Naught<ref>https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Watchmen&type=revision&diff=252258&oldid=252227</ref> and is now archived on this page.

Naught claimed that some members of the Watchmen had been operating since [[2018]], as the spiritual successor to the [[Guard Dogs]] – the latter having disbanded around the same time frame. However, Naught's account was disputed by a member of the Guard Dogs.

Naught also claimed that Watchmen members [[MKRNightVee]] and [[AquaDiamond8]] were picked by [[Null]]. However, MKRNightVee got into contact with Chris through a friend looking up his phone number for her<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/attachments/discordgirl2-png.644832/</ref> and Aqua joined during the [[Sockness]] saga by which time Null had been distant from Chris.

{{quoteboxred|I had a question in my head, if its fine for me to ask, could you tell me how exactly you guys met CWC and when you formed the group}}

Naught quoted a now-deleted section from the [[Guard Dogs]] CWCki article:
{{quoteboxwhite|Following the incidents at TooManyGames, in which Chris was thrown out of the con for being too handsy with other attendees, Null and several other members of the Guard Dogs began investigating Justin Silverman's account of the situation, intending to find out if Justin had overreacted towards Chris's behaviour. Ultimately, this investigation petered out with no real progress having been made, save for the fact that the Guard Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at any conventions he visited from then on.}}

{{quoteboxred|Oh, so you guys were picked by Null}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's why Marvin is there since the captain couldn't stick around but the plan is still the same}}

{{quoteboxred|Ah, so the captain was in there too but left after a while}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah mkr helped get the cwc protect squad out of the way with the fan art for cwc}}

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===History===
On 4 [[September 2020]], a Christorian interviewed Naught through Discord, asking questions about the Watchmen. The interviewer's questions are color-coded red, with Naught's responses color-coded green.

The first four questions appear to be referring to the [[Arbitarch CWC Alliance]] server.

{{quoteboxred|Who started it and why?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Owls the guy who set-up mkr and [[Joseph Draft]] got aqua and mkr to draw some art to lure cwc in.}}

{{quoteboxred|How did Chris join there?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I was told it was going to be for Chris's patrons.}}

{{quoteboxred|Why was it killed?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|It was killed because owls and Joseph didn't know how to wrangle tards. Mkr aqua were being blamed for making it so I asked for a mod role kept asking for more perms and deleted all the channel's. I posted the rolling and trolling vid.}}

{{quoteboxred|Who killed it?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|I killed it, Joseph and Smokey Chris TheSperge were using the server to gather content, they convinced Joseph I was Johan.

After a 4 hour conversation I got Joseph draft to face dox himself once he destroyed his drive with chris vs the internet.}}

The last two appear to refer to the Watchmen as a group.

{{quoteboxred|Why did Aqua leave?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Stress and people @ her on Twitter

Her and mkr are still frens}}

{{quoteboxred|Will this group be around forever?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|As long as Chris is in need or willing yes}}

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===Follow-up on Origins===
Afterwards, the CWCki Editor [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] asked Naught to clarify the Watchmen's origins. In a prior interview, Naught had claimed the Watchmen to have been working with the Guard Dogs to supervise Chris at conventions, however a Guard Dog disagreed with the claim. Naught blamed Watchmen founder [[Owls]], claiming the story was what he had been told by Owls.

{{quoteboxred|Are you the one the CWCki calls Naught?

Wanted to ask something clarifying the Watchmen origins if so. There's conflicting statements.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yes}}

{{quoteboxred|So you quoted the Guard Dogs article to explain the group origins - a section that said the Dogs elected people to supervise Chris at cons after the TMG disaster. But the editor who put that in since retracted it for lack of source and Marvin said there were no babysitters and that Chris was on his own.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah that's what owls/Ryan told me

He's no longer around he's ghostbird on the farm's}}

{{quoteboxred|Hmm. Interesting.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|That's why I'm around he wasn't reporting back to Marvin

There was something about the footage smokey chris and theSperge}}

{{quoteboxred|Owl's was the original person behind the group?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|He started [[The Place|the place]] server and was telling mkr and Marvin he was doing x y and z but wasn't}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright if I quote you on on the CWCki? Gonna try to fix up the Origins section.}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Ok

There was even a panel where he insisted his owl avatar in the comic}}

{{quoteboxred|MKR's?}}

{{quoteboxnavy|Yeah owls was the one making it canon mkr draws}}

{{quoteboxred|Alright, thanks for the info.}}

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==See also==
*[[Kiwi Farms posts (Naught)]]
*[[MKRNightVee]]
*[[Naught DMs]]
*[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)]]
*[[The Place chats - Jahans discussion]]

==Notes==
<references group="note"/>

{{References}}
{{WatchmenSaga}}
{{2020DiscordLeaks}}
{{People}}

[[Category:Miscreants Members]]
[[Category:Watchmen Members]]

Official CWCki Server

2024-09-25T13:25:34Z

XelaBlueThunder: Another attempt at censoring The Official CWCki Server's involvement in Christory.

{{Needs Updating|[[The Place chats - Chris and CWCki Server‎]]}}
[[File:Cwc_collab.png|thumb|300px|The CWCki Discord Collaborative Art Project.]]

The '''Official CWCki Server''' is a [[Discord]] server for the [[CWCki]].

==History==
The Official CWCki Server was created by [[Klop]] on 1 [[July 2020]].<ref>[[The Lainchu Manifesto#The Beginning (July 2020 - September 2020)]]</ref>

On 10 [[August 2020]], roughly a month after the server's creation, several images and chats were leaked onto the Official CWCki Server by [[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]], in what became known as the [[2020 Discord leaks]]. Shortly after, Chris joined the server after being convinced to do so by Naught.<ref>[[Official CWCki Server chats (Naught)#Inviting Chris to Official CWCki Server]]</ref> He since made two public addresses to the server members [[Spirit_possession#Sonichu|(as Sonichu)]], the first informing everyone that he and [[Barb]] are safe and healthy, and the second vaguely alluding to his plan to [[COVID-19#Stopping_the_pandemic|travel back in time and prevent the COVID-19 pandemic from ever happening.]] Through Naught, Chris also answered several questions asked by users.{{Cite}} Naught was also temporarily a moderator of the sever<ref>[[:File:NaughtGetsModded.jpg]]</ref> until he got banned for doxing several of the server's users.{{Cite}}

Chris was banned from the server on 14 August. Before doing so, a moderator released a public statement explaining their rationale:
[[File:Chris CWCki Ban.PNG|thumb|The moderator's statement prior to banning Chris.]]

{{quote|In the last few days lots have happend ''[sic]'' in this server. Chris has joined this place for starters. This was met with mixed reception. The CWCki's goal is only to document Chris and not provide him a platform to push his agendas. It was never imagined that Chris will use this server to ramble about his fantasies. And due to this it has been decided to give Chris his own server where he may do as he pleases.|A server [[User:Klop|Jerkhief]]}}

An invite link to the referenced server, [[cwc frens]], was posted below the message, but setup was unfinished and Chris had not yet joined, and the link was quickly removed once the server became infested with [[weens]].{{Cite}}

A few members of the server also entered [[Watchmen]] servers. Two of the admins, Klop and [[Anaxis]], were members of [[The Place]] server where they had the [[Lainchu]] role. [[Fiona]], a banned member of the CWCki server, was an "untrusted guest" in the [[Knights of CWC]] server.

==Chris's chats==
{{SonichuPossession}}
===<s>Chris</s> Sonichu addresses Official CWCki Server===
10 [[August 2020]]

{{quoteboxyellow|Hello, @everyone. It is I, Sonichu. Some details are consciously uncertain to me at the moment, but all will become more clear and I will able to share more with all of you.

Meanwhile, listen well to @[[Lainchu]] (klop), [[Val]] and [[Bismuth]] as they will brief everyone on here soon with some of the details you all need to know of the events to come, and the events so far and present .

Regardless, I continue to be safe, healthy and well, and so are Barbara and everyone else here. You all need not fret, and I am most humbled and grateful for all of you being in service out of kindness and loyalty, regardless of trolling status and levels.

I will speak again on here later. That is all for now. Thank you. ⚡⚡⚡}}

===Time Traveling===
12 [[August 2020]]

{{quoteboxyellow|Hello, @everyone. I have something to tell all of you: in regard to everything that has happened and are happening in regard to not only the Dimension Merge, but also in that I am to get this body into C-197 and to Cwcville, and the greater details beyond that that involve me [[COVID-19#Stopping the pandemic|going back in time and undoing this pandemic from ever happening.]] I wish to make it very direct and clear that this is very sincere and serious, and when talking with me about it, it is not at all to be in humoring anyone. And I am very well aware of the percentage of those who think it a joke when it clearly is not at all. In other words, to talk with me means to talk with sincerity and full acceptance of the situations. I will not accept or tolerate [[Welfare|Neet]] behaviour, or any disingenuous mentality and intentions.}}

{{quoteboxyellow|[[Messiah complex|I pray to Chris Chan]] that I have made myself clear to all of you.}}

{{quoteboxyellow|That is all for now. Thank you}}

==See also==
*[[cwc frens]], a now-defunct sister server

==External links==
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Saga

2024-09-24T17:36:53Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* G5 Pony Saga (13 August 2018 - Present) */

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{{Protip|Contacting Chris does not make a saga, even if it gets a response. Getting your own saga in Christory is also ''NOT'' an achievement. [[Megan|Just]] [[BlueSpike|ask]] [[Doopie|these]] [[Idea Guys|people]] [[Praetor|if you don't believe us]].

 In addition, it is important to note that sagas by definition occur for a number of reasons, regardless of troll involvement. These sagas are about Chris, not you.}}
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{{Quote|I've had online relationships in my past; most of which were good, but all of them ended not so good for me.|Chris makes the understatement of the century<ref>[[Sydney Kirsch]]</ref>}}

A "'''saga'''" (from the Old Norse ''sögur'') is a story arc of events on the [[CWChronology]], documenting Chris' actions during a specific span of time. The Christorian use of the term is derived from story arcs in ''[[Dragon Ball]]'', a series that Chris likes, based on the story arcs usually being named after an arc villain. (This was true for Christory at first, but Sagas have since encompassed various sweethearts and and specific events over specifically revolving around specific antagonists to Chris-Chan.)

==Meta-Sagas==

For nearly two decades, Chris has been going through one tumult or another. However, throughout each of these, Chris has had a [[autism|special interest]] or obsession that would follow him through all of them, and would define him as a person. Indeed, this central focus of his life would serve to unite his sagas with a common theme: a near-certain way to get a reaction out of Chris would be by winning his trust through feeding his special interest, and then exploiting it for Laughs Under Lucricities. For most of Christory, this would be pretending to be a [[boyfriend-free girl]], but more recently this has transmuted into [[Chris and his Ego|feigning to worship]] him. As they are threads running through and linking together, and are the broadest strokes of Chris's life, they can be considered ''meta-sagas'', beyond and more fundamental than the fleeting fancies of any individual [[troll]].

===Love Quest (ca. 2003 - March 2018; January 2021-Present)===
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''The'' quintessential saga, and the one that introduced this word to the Christorian's lexicon. Sometime early in his career at PVCC, Chris decided that he needed a girlfriend to call his own. Beset on all sides by the [[Infinitely-High Boyfriend Factor]] (read: women were repulsed by his unusual mannerisms), the [[virgin with rage]] resorted to increasingly desperate and bizarre methods of obtaining one, which have seen him [[List of places that have banned Chris|expelled and banned]] from multiple reputable establishments. After his discovery by the Internet, Chris would flutter from one professed girlfriend to another, thinking that each might be the [[CWCisms#H|heartsweet]] that might end this search once and for all. Alas, it was not meant to be, and Chris often found himself betrayed and humiliated in comical and grotesque ways. The Love Quest survived several upheavals in Chris's life, including his father's death, the loss of his virginity, the house fire and his gender transition (see below), yet despite Christorians' predictions, and the [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Pickle Man]]'s injunctions, finally concluded in [[March 2018]], when a mentally eroded Chris declared himself in a [[polyamorous marriage]] with his [[Chris and reality|fictional characters]].

The Love Quest would seem to come back in full force by the beginning of 2021, and much more intense than before, with Chris expressing sexual frustrations to Watchmen members, wishing to get a physical girlfriend. He would crush on multiple women of interest all at once and have wet dreams that involved cartoon characters. It would get intense to the point of releasing this sexual frustration on his own mother, leading to dire consequences.
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===Transgender Saga (''30 March 2011 - Present'')===
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In [[2011]], Chris began the process of gender transitioning. In March of that year, he starting cross-dressing and later came out as a "tomgirl". Despite resistance from his parents, Chris continued down the transgender path, exploring his gender identity. In 2014, he briefly identified as a lesbian male, and a year later, settled on identifying as a lesbian transwoman.
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===Business Saga (''3 July 2014 - 8 June 2016''; ''June 2017 - July 2021'')===

Although this Saga began during the Sonic Boom Saga, it ultimately outlasted it. Chris realized during this Saga that he could make significantly large amounts of [[money]] by selling his own products, including Medallions and customized [[Sonichu Amiibo]]s, first on [[eBay]], then on [[Etsy]]. This Saga is notable for featuring the return of frequent video uploads by Chris. Inevitably, Chris's laziness got the better of him (again) and he failed to ship out multiple orders. As his interest in making money dwindled, the [[Financhu Crisis]] began to strain the Chandler finances. Chris failed to get his act together, resulting in him getting banned from selling on Etsy on 8 June 2016, halting the Saga. There were a [[Paid Video Requests|few]] [[Skylanders Imaginators Leader Christine W Chandler: random Review N' Stuff|recurrences]] where Chris attempted to profit from his own products again, but these were expectedly fruitless and short-lived. In [[May 2017]], Chris began drawing [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]] pages again after a 561-day hiatus, and in June, he resumed monetizing ''Sonichu'' comics, by setting pages as rewards on his [[Patreon]] account and again offering printed books from [[Lulu]].

Through 2018 and 2019, Chris has grown neglectful of his commercial obligations, failing to produce Sonichu pages and ship items, culminating in his restriction from [[eBay]] on 16 June 2019.

Chris' Patreon was shut down in [[August 2021]] after he was [[Jail Saga#Arrest|arrested]] for [[Affair with Mother|incest]].

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===Financhu Crisis Saga (''12 April 2016 - Present'')===
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Coined by the members of the [[Kiwi Farms]], this saga began when Chris released [[Please, Donate|a video]] asking for donations in exchange for gifts. Then, he cut out the gifts, and when his Etsy shop was closed, resorted to straight begging, [[Women Only Need Apply - No STD's|prostitution]], and [[By random request; I still need money, please|video]] [[Update 20160718|requests]]; all while continuing to buy over $1,000 worth of toys and only selling [[Update 20160718|'''THREE POKÉMON CARDS''']] at this saga's beginning, and putting various worthless junk on eBay for exorbitant prices. Chris was eventually able to sell the [[Sonic Totem|Sonic totem]] for $1500 only to [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017|immediately admit to wasting the profits]] on toys and a [[$400 gold necklace]] to replace one Barb previously pawned; a selfish act that shows the full extent of Chris and Barb's financial incompetency. His begging also goes to the point of [[August 2016 Facebook posts#Who wants to pay our mortgage?!|asking on Facebook]] for someone to pay his mortgage. This also shows Chris's [[ego]], since he [[Announcement 06292016|treats his monetary problems that he caused as a charity]].

In June 2017, Chris began to take his Patreon more seriously by actually working on the Sonichu comic; as a result, his Patreon earnings skyrocketed to hundreds of dollars per month and mitigated his desire to beg for money. As a result, Chris stopped begging in July. However, he remained deeply in debt and showed no signs of developing greater financial responsibility.

In late 2017 and early 2018 work on ''Sonichu'' slowed, as did Chris's Patreon donations. Around this time, Chris later claimed he needed to cover an unknown but essential large expenditure which he refuses to discuss in detail. As a result, Chris resumed begging and selling items on eBay with greater intensity than ever, peaking in early May when he made [[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE|a trilogy of panicked videos]] revealing that a mortgage payment on [[14 Branchland Court]] was due soon and that the unknown expenditure had left him and Barb unable to cover it. Though Chris was saved by an influx of donations and eBay sales, the Chandlers' financial situation evidently remains more desperate than ever.

===Roleplaying Saga (''August 2017 - Present'')===
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As a maladaptive coping mechanism against the bleakness of his [[reality]], Chris's belief in imaginary friends and magical thinking drastically increased, one example of him dancing with [[Magi-Chan]] at the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. After the [[Idea Guys]], the [[Teen Troon Squad]], [[Jacob Sockness]] and [[other enablers|other successive enablers]] further fueled his fantasies by validating them, Chris retreated even more into his fantasy world. It was once again re-enforced by the [[COVID-19]] pandemic due to the fact that it cancelled all the conventions Chris was planning to attend in [[2020]].

On 19 September 2021, Chris wrote a letter in jail, where he declares himself as Jesus of Nazareth.

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===Dimensional Merge (''14 October 2018 - 3 August 2021'')===
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Due to the influence of the Idea Guys and Teen Troon Squad, ideas of a dimensional merge began to manifest within Chris. This came to a head in [[October 2018]], when Chris uploaded a video where he announced that our dimension will soon merge with another. He has revised the deadline for this prophecy several times. This was followed by several months of him droning about it on Twitter, even during his Soft Exile (described below). Various weens, including [[Sarah and Steve]], would circumvent new Twitter restrictions through physical mail or other channels, seeking to encourage him further; in [[April 2019]] things went to a new level when [[Future message from Crystal W Chandler|a video]] was posted of a masked man reading a letter supposedly from a time-traveling [[Reginald Chandler]] announcing the merge.

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==Pre-Christory (''[[Birthday|24 February 1982]] - June 2000'')==

The world at large discovered Christian Weston Chandler on 27 October 2007. Before this time, we have only a scanty record to the details of Chris's life. For the early Noughties, the earlier ''Sonichu'' comics (especially [[Sonichu 4]]) are a substantial, if biased, record of notable events; Chris has supplemented this with several other records, including his [[diary]], and some videos from the time (such as his 2004 Christmas) have been leaked. For the twentieth century, which includes all of Chris's childhood and [[honor roll|high school years]], our records are much sparser. Some content, such as [[Manchester High Leaks|some school papers]] and [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes|television footage]], have been unearthed, though much remains unknown or dubious. Indeed, much of our knowledge of Chris's childhood comes from later accounts by Chris. However, Chris's childhood is what made him the manchild he is today, so we must discuss it when discussing him.

===Early Childhood Saga (''24 February 1982 - 1991'')===
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Christopher Weston Chandler was brought into the world on 24 February 1982. He would allegedly speak his first word 'Monkey' only a month after his birth. Sadly, his speech would be stunted by his [[abusive babysitter]], who is either named 'Roche' or 'Roach'. At the age of 18 months old, Roche would lock him in a room filled with toys because she was angry at him. This would traumatize Chris so much that he would turn mute, and completely refuse to talk save for screeching and screaming.

While mute, Chris would forge a friendship with a girl named [[Sarah Hammer]], who would become his first female friend. However, there is evidence that Sarah served more as a bully, playing cruel pranks on him such as locking him in her cellar after convincing him Casper the Friendly Ghost was hiding in there.

His parents would send him to [[James Madison University]], where he was trained by a speech therapist to talk. There he would meet [[Joshua Martinez]], a boy who was sent there for his heavy [[Spanish]] accent. He would become Chris's first male friend.

Chris would start speaking after being given a GoBot by [[Barb|his mother]], as he would start reading out the packaging

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===Nathanael Greene Saga (''1991'')===
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In 1991, Chris would start going to Nathanael Greene Elementary School. While there, Chris would be abused by [[Bruce Johnson]] and [[Mrs. Gaede]], who would both pin him to the ground and record his screams. Johnson additionally made Chris sit on his lap and said offensive things to him, supposedly causing his hatred of [[Gays]].

As Chris and his parents are known to be almost pathological [[Lie|liars]], it is unknown if this is an accurate retelling of events. Nonetheless, [[Bob]] would pull Chris out of the school and take the matter of court, though no action would be taken.

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===Bearstein Saga (''1992 – 1995'')===
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After leaving [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]], [[Bob]] homeschooled Chris for [[1992]]. During this year, Chris and Bob would attend ''The Leonard Bearstein Symphony Orchestra'', which they both enjoyed. This would lead to an event in December, when the bear would ask for Christopher's name, which he would mishear as '''Christian'''. Chris would take this as a sign from [[God]], and Bob would agree to legally change his name to Christian.

In 1993, Chris would start attending [[Providence Middle School]], and his encounter with the bear would bless those years of his life. He would have [[Virginia Jeanine Sanford]] as a teacher, who he would later call the most influential person in his life. In the same year, he would enter the [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes]], and in [[1994]], he had won the competition, leading to [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes#Video|the first-ever video recording of Chris]].

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===High School Saga (''August 1996-June 2000'')===
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In many senses, Chris peaked in high school. He holds his high school memories and gal-pals dear to his heart. From a positive view, he had his [[gal pal]]s, [[honor roll]], and job as a <s>water boy</s> basketball team manager, and he produced a high volume of [[art]], which included [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] himself. On the flip side, he got an [[Song of Christian|F in English]] and had to ride on the short bus. Graduation was especially painful when he didn't win a not-so-prestigious best artist award.

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==Early Adult Chronicles (''June 2000 – 27 October 2007'')==

Chris came of age in 2000, a time of many transitions. Once he graduated from [[Manchester High]], he was no longer in the safe, regimented world of compulsory education. No more guaranteed or arranged friendships, and the kid gloves have come off. Colleges are also stricter when setting student accommodations, and professors don't always have time for special arrangements. Additionally, Chris got a taste of the real world at [[Wendy's]], which fired him for [[Donald Duck impersonation|multiple]] [[Cousin Al#Bowling Outing|reasons]].

The little boy who [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes|was once doing so well]] now had to make his life work outside of school. Of course, some programs can help autistic folks find work, but Chris figured that was too [[stress]]ful. Instead, he took the easy route with help from [[Bob]]: he applied for [[Monthly tugboat|social security disability checks]]. While fellow students had to balance their schedules with jobs, Chris had all the time in the world to focus on school. After graduating, his whole life became free time. Without a job, Chris had little motivation to get his life together.

While scarcer than in modern times, records for this period are much more substantial than those of Chris's childhood. Even without external provocation or influence, the events of this period, including the Love Quest and the first ''Sonichu'' [[comic]]s, were enough to make Chris an Internet legend and would lay the foundation for everything yet to come.

===PVCC Saga (''September 2000 - May 2006'')===
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From [[2000]] to [[2006]], Chris attended Piedmont Virginia Community College, a local community college, to obtain a degree in [[Computer-Aided Drafting and Design]]. It took him five years of [[Chris's education|schooling]] to complete an ostensibly two-year degree, and this time in his life was not without drama. His 21st birthday in [[2003]] marked the beginning of the [[Love Quest]]. Chris would go around campus carrying a [[sign]] showing his demands for an ideal partner. [[Mary Lee Walsh]], a dean at [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|PVCC]], confiscated the signs. He retaliated by making more; he even printed some out to put around campus walls. Chris eventually confronted Walsh, who [[banned]] him from PVCC for a year. Chris had to receive a [[autism papers|psychological evaluation]] to be allowed back on campus, and he began using the sign in other locations. Chris immortalized Walsh as a cartoon villain in [[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]].

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=== GAMe PLACe Saga (''2002 - October 2011'')===
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Currently the second-longest saga in Christory. For a long time, Chris had been visiting The GAMe PLACe on a regular basis. It was here that Chris would meet Megan herself, as well as [[Lucas]] and [[Mimms]], two people who would deliver a number of intel over Chris during his time there. He also participated in the ''[[Pokemon TCG]]'' League, using his own poorly made decks. However, Chris was a pain in the ass to store manager [[Michael Snyder]], and by August 2008, tired of Chris terrorizing various [[niggos|patrons]], yelling at children, bogarting the TV and being an all-round pain, Michael would finally ban Chris from the store, embarrassing him and his mother in the process. It wouldn't be the end, however.

On multiple occasions, Chris returned to the store despite Michael's insistence that he never come back. He tried emails, sneaking in, and [[Apology to Game & Hobby Place|pleading]] on [[YouTube]], but nothing worked. The first time he attempted (unsuccessfully, of course) to lift his ban in person was with a prepared, [[Chris and remorse|faux-apologetic speech]]. When that failed, he stormed out angrily and called Michael a [[Chris and race|JEW]], then attempted to rally his "fanbase" and get them [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|to troll him]]. [[6 June 2010|The next occasion]] was much more disturbing. He claimed he was trying to take a picture of Michael [[CWC is Angry|to shoot at]], but was caught in the act and was chased in the parking lot. Nearly running over Michael and his daughter, eventually the [[Jerkops]] got involved, but they did not arrest him. Michael accused him of trying to take [[pedofork|pictures of his daughter]]. Whether it's true or not, it's [[Kacey|confirmed]] that Chris has stalker tendencies.

The saga was revived in October 2011, when Chris and [[Barb|his mother]] visited the GAMe PLACe, and [[28 October 2011|an incident occurred]]. Exact details of events remain unknown, but charges such as assaulting a law enforcement official and property damage of more than $1000 were brought. Barbara was sentenced to community service and two years of probation. Chris was sentenced to community service, one year of probation, and mandatory [[Chris and Reality|psychiatric]] treatment and evaluation. They also had to pay Michael Snyder's medical expenses.

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===Megan Saga (''Summer 2005 - April 2008'')===
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From 2005 to 21 April 2008, this told the story of Chris and his longest and closest relationship with a girl, Megan Schroeder, leading into Chris's first encounter with [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] and Megan discovering the depths of Chris's madness. It began with a chance meeting at a ''[[Pokémon]] TCG'' League meeting at [[The GAMe PLACe]], which progressed into inappropriate touching and ended with shocking [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|hand-drawn pornography]] that was an embarrassment for all parties involved... excluding Chris. The saga would end when Megan told Chris [[Megan emails, 2008#Megan can't trust Chris anymore|she could no longer trust him]]. Nonetheless, Chris has refused to let her go, and his useless attempts at making amends have stretched all the way to ''2018'' (for reference, that's a ''decade'' since Megan cut off ties with him).

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===Stackhouse Saga (''June - 4 August 2007'')===
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In June 2007, Chris entered and attempted to win a [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|contest]] to win Megan's heart (more or less her china too), only to be beaten by a much superior entry made by one Adam Stackhouse. The saga resulted in [[CWC is Angry|madman]]-style threats and several angry e-mails and posts to contest organizers. Chris would rage for quite some time before deciding enough was enough. This was also the last time an unsuspecting member of the public inadvertently caused a saga. From then on, [[trolls]] would control the content.

Over a decade after the Saga concluded, Chris finally made peace with Stackhouse after the latter made a surprise appearance in the audience for [[MAGfest#The Christory of Sonichu panel|Chris's panel]] at [[MAGfest]] 2018.

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==Classic Chris Era (''27 October 2007 to 20 March 2010'')==

The era that most associate with Chris. The mists of antiquity begin to fade on 27 October 2007, when an unrelated thread on the ''Something Awful'' forums was derailed by someone mentioning seeing our epic cycle's hero in the flesh.

===ED Saga (''November 2007 - 14 April 2011'')===
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In November 2007, trolls would discover Chris and create a page about him on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Chris would initially think that they just got his information wrong, but as time would go on, Chris would reveal the true depths of his insanity, in the process destroying his friendship with Megan Schroeder and becoming the epic lolcow we know him to be. Were it not for this article showing how susceptible he was to trolling and how [[Autism|divinely autistic]] he could be, Chris may have just been another dumbass with no life, and probably would have been more or less forgotten by now. To this day, ED remains a thorn in his side which he must constantly address to those new to his life. Further to this, he still maintains they are out to do him harm, although the site has long since fallen out of relevance in Chris's life, replaced with outlets such as the [[Kiwi Farms]].

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===Blanca Saga (''August - 21 October 2008'')===
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Around August 2008, Chris would meet Blanca Weiss, making her his first Internet sweetheart. Aside from being the first sweetheart, she also proved how [[Captain's Log, Stardate September 13th, 2008|tenacious and strange]] Chris could be about relationships, revealing several [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 9th, 2008|quirks and oddities that he felt were somehow appropriate to mention]] to someone he believed loved him. It also showed how useless any [[white knight]]ing efforts could be. In the span of two months, Blanca (actually three trolls working in tandem) would release the infamous pictures of Chris naked, then obtain Chris's [[medallions]] and film a video of them cutting one up and [[Fire|setting it ablaze]].

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===Jimmy Hill Saga (''Mid-2008/Late 2008'')===
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At the same time Chris was dealing with Blanca, he was hit with another troll attack as he was led to believe that a man known as Jimmy Hill was using the Sonichu name and character to make money off of him in Europe. The thought of someone making money from his true and original creation led him to [[Captain's Log, Stardate Columbus Day, 2008|stress out and provide proof]] of the [[Copyright|infringement]]. Those attacks would end around the same time the Blanca Saga ended.

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===Clyde Cash Saga ''(December 2008 - Mid-2010)''===
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In 2008, Chris encountered a new troll named Clyde Cash, who went on a months-long trolling spree to get back at the autistic wonder for supposedly causing his [[Ryan Cash|brother's suicide]]. The saga would result in the revelation of a [[The Miscreants|top secret organization]] hellbent on preventing the manchild from losing his virginity. It only ended with the apparent death of its creator.

However, in [[September 2009]] Chris resumed his war against Clyde Cash after discovering that he and another supposed troll, [[Gregg Mays]], were one and the same person. In the process, he made numerous videos attempting to blackmail the man, going so far as to mock a [[Twin Falling Towers|national tragedy]].

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===PandaHalo Saga (''Mid-2008/Late 2008 - February 2009'')===
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When Chris realized Blanca was a troll, he would move on to PandaHalo as his new sweetheart. The saga came to a quick and abrupt end when he found out that she was supposedly found to be bearing the child of Clyde Cash, conceived through rape. Unsurprisingly, the ever-gullible Chris would quickly abandon Panda and she would (presumably) die in the Australian [[Brushfire Video|brushfires]], despite living miles away from the incident; question remains as to whether she really died in this event, or was actually working in tandem with Clyde, their relationship being consensual after all. She would end up giving trolls the [[Scrapbook of Fail]] and [[Slideshow]].

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===Miyamoto Saga (''January - 10 February 2009'')===
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In the beginning of January 2009, Chris would be confronted by a troll posing as [[Nintendo]] developer [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], claiming he would attempt to try to make his ''Sonichu'' game fantasy a reality. Unfortunately, Chris proved to be nothing more than a couch potato, and his ineptitude resulted in horrible delays and stalls to the project's advancement. In the end, "[[Reggie Fils-Aimé]]" shut down the entire project with a scathing letter. This trolling encounter would have Chris give trolls a PowerPoint project that talked in great length about [[Chris and his ego|himself]]...and very little about his game.

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===Julie Saga (''February - March 2009'')===
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Arguably ''the'' most divisive and controversial out of Chris's trolls until the [[Idea Guys]]. In February 2009 to early March 2009, Chris's latest sweetheart would be Julie, who was in actuality a 13-year-old troll named [[BlueSpike]]. In this brief timeframe, BlueSpike would release the infamous [[sex tape]] and then torture Chris in many ways in the infamous [[Julie Reveals Herself]] chat, where he forced Chris to declare [[BILLY MAYS]] mayor of [[CWCville]] and destroy his second medallion by forcing him to shove it up the dumper. BlueSpike's total and utter control over Chris, as well as his arguably abusive ways of trolling him, would lead to a schism between trolls, leading to the creation of the [[PVCC (message board)|PVCC]] and this very wiki. One other less disturbing yet no less fascinating incident that came about as a result of this Saga was the [[Ohio Trip]]; taking place just a week before the infamous reveal, Chris was willing to drive hundreds of miles to Cleveland in the hopes of rescuing Julie from Max and Clyde Cash; needless to say, this has been the furthest he's driven for any Sweetheart, and since then Chris was unwilling to drive significantly shorter distances to meet later potential girlfriends such as [[Kacey]] and [[Jackie]] in the years that followed.

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===PS3 Hacking Saga (''March 3 2009 - 30 August 2010'')===
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After [[Bluespike]]'s vicious abuse of Chris, he was shunned, and kicked out of [[The Miscreants]]. However, many [[trolls]] took inspiration from him hacking into Chris's beloved [[PlayStation Network]] account, and used this as an inspiration for future trolling plans. On 22 [[May 2009]], [[Clyde Cash]] would fake his death and subsequently hack into Chris's PSN account, but he would get outplayed by a greater foe.

During [[July 2009]], [[Jack Thaddeus]] would work with his daughter [[Samantha Thaddeus]] in order to gain access to Chris's PSN Account. Jack made Chris do many things in order to get his account back, including making [[It's UGH!#Video|two]] [[It's UGH!#Remake|videos]] proclaiming his acceptance of [[Homos|gay people]], and a video of him [[Chris humps his PS3|humping his PS3 for 8 minutes straight]].

On 24 [[February 2010]], [[Surfshack Tito]] would hack into Chris's PSN account, and less than a month later he would [[The Wallflower|steal his girl]].

On 3 [[May 2010]], Chris would find [[PS3/How the PS3 is Hacked|an article]] on the [[CWCki]], detailing how [[Clyde]] had placed a bugging device in his PS3, [[I Pimp My Ride|leading him to rip off the wifi antenna]]. On the same day, he would go undercover as a 14-year old troll named '[[JenkinsJinkies]]', where he would be invited to a secret trolling forum called [[Trollin Train]].

On the forum was a list of bounties, including a $9000 reward for anyone who could destroy Chris's PS3. Chris decided to claim the bounty, and recorded a video of him [[The MovingFoward videos|hitting it with a brick, running it over with his car, and then stabbing it with scissors]]. Unfortunately for him, [[Tito]] gave the reward to [[Liquid Chris]], under the belief he was the TRUE and HONEST CWC. And so Chris was left with no money and no PS3...until he bought a new one a few days later.

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===Emily Saga (''March 2009 - 4 October 2010'')===
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A troll, known online as 'LoveYouLongTime' would start interacting with [[Chris]] after he broke up with [[Julie]], under the name '[[Emily]]'. They quickly starting dating, and would meet up [[Date with Emily|in a now infamous date]], where a [[Man in the Pickle Suit|man wearing a pickle costume]] would walk up and steal her away from him. She would later announce in a [[Hooker incident#Post-date call|phone call]] that she had broken up with Chris, had sex with the pickle man, and was living with [[Clyde Cash]].

She would continue interacting with Chris, under the name '[[Kim Wilson]]'. Despite Kim and Chris meeting up multiple times, he had no idea she was [[Emily]], due to his [[facial blindness]]. During her tenure as Kim, she would take Chris to a bar [[Chris's Big Night Out|two]] [[Chris's Big Night Out II|times]] and introduce him to [[Magical Man]]. She would continue talking with Chris all the way until [[2018]], though her last major interaction was when he told her [[PVCC NEW info: on Chris and Barbara spoon eachother!|that he spooned regularly]] with [[Barb]]

She's also met up with him pretending to be multiple other women, though none of these interactions are known.

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===Ivy Saga (''March - July 2009'')===
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In March 2009, a girl named Ivy decided to impress a friend by asking Chris for a video shout-out. She didn't know what would come later; his crush towards her would lead him to create 3 special comics and two music videos, a practical spurt of work that wouldn't be surpassed for awhile. The saga also revealed Chris at his [[I am devoted to My Sweetest Ivy|creepiest]] [[CWC's Message for Ivy|yet]], scarring many trolls and Christorians, but also provided an incredibly important resource for the latter in showing Chris's [[Heart Level]] at perhaps the strongest it had been since 2007, at least for a time. The saga also resulted in a [[CWC's ¨It's All Coming Back To Me¨|proposal of marriage]]. Despite the work spurt, the saga would come to an abrupt end thanks to a combination of troll interference from [[Joshua Martinez]] and interference from [[Bob Chandler]] and [[Rocky Shoemaker]], leading to Ivy's (fabricated) suicide.

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===Vanessa Saga (''April - May 2009'')===
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In [[April 2009]], troll and fellow [[James Madison University|speech therapy]] attendee [[Joshua Martinez]] succeeded in getting Chris to believe that the ''High School Musical'' actress and pop star [[Vanessa Hudgens]] was in contact with him, through Joshua's AIM, in retaliation for Chris's horrible attempt at getting [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|ED]] to [[Vanessa Saga#Email to Joshua|troll him]] like Chris, himself, had been trolled. Chris would create videos to show that he was movie-star material, going so far as to [[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions|cheat]] on his current [[troll|true and honest]] [[Ivy|sweetheart]]. Predictably, [[Chris and reality|he wasn't]] exactly the type Vanessa was looking for.

This [[Vanessa Saga|saga]] goes to show that even the most gullible of things can get by Chris, even when the perceived truth is a [[Weening|horrible]] [[Autism|excuse]] of ammunition against the poor manchild, which just shows how desperate he may be for [[Love Quest|romantic attention]].

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===CWCipedia Saga (''4 May 2009 – 26 June 2010'')===
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In early June 2009, Chris was given his own wiki to upload his comics and blog about his personal life, safe from the trolls who instantly dive at his other web pages and hack them. It doubled as a source for the [[CWCki]] to draw many of Chris's latest failures from, making it his best friend and his worst enemy.

On 19 [[November 2009]], perhaps one of the greatest features the wiki introduced was the [[Mailbag]], in which a dump of all [[fan]] e-mails sent to the admin's address could be answered by Chris, for all to see. This feature provided insight into how Chris responds to trolls through e-mail about his views on, for example, homosexuality, GodJesus, autism, etc.

After 23 November 2009, advertisements linking to porn sites, gay rights organizations, information on Asperger's syndrome, and the [[Asperchu|Asperpedia]] took residence on the CWCipedia, paid for by trolls. Eventually, Alec, the creator of Asperchu, paid Jack Thaddeus to replace most, if not all, of the ads with ads for Asperpedia. Chris had [[Address to my Cwcipedia SysOp|complained]] [[ChrisChanSonichu and WikiSysop correspondence|repeatedly]] to the SysOp of the Wiki about these ads, which would have paid for the site until the end of 2010, pending negotiations.<ref>http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu</ref> All of this had "stressed" Chris out to the point of uploading videos of himself screaming [[death threats]] upon the advertisers' heads, and creating a separate, stress-free, ad-free front page.

This saga would lead to the site being shut down twice in a row, both due to copyright infringement, and would lead to the death of [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the most humiliating way - death by exploding toilet.

The Asperpedia team would continue to vandalize and hijack CWCipedia in a variety of ways until it finally collapsed in May, and Chris finally abandoned the site after already making numerous claims that he'd quit the Internet forever. After Mao moved in to fill the void, he passed ownership to [[Alec Benson Leary|Alec]] and [[Vivian Gee]], wherein they took over the site and the rights to Sonichu to begin ''Sonichu'' Season 2, where ultimately, on 26 [[June 2010]], the entire site would be terminated along with the entirety of the original 110mb server.

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===Liquid Chris Saga (''21 June - 10 November 2009'')===
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In July 2009, Chris came up with a plan to try getting the trolls off his back. He [[Rollin' and Trollin'|faked a revelation]] that he was apparently a troll himself who is the complete opposite of Chris in real life. Along then came the TRUE and HONEST Christian Weston Chandler, which got the other Chris (at this point nicknamed [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] and Solid Chris) really pent up with rage. Ian would challenge Chris to a sing-off, with the TRUE and HONEST CWC proving himself the victor in the end. The appearance of this other Chris would pressure the other into churning out more comics than he had before, currently heading for the completion of [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]], something that many believed would never happen due to the interference of many trolls.

Later, Liquid would return to continue on his quest to get rid of this faker. In the process of this new entry to the saga, Ian and Chris would battle over the heart of Chris's true love, [[Kacey]]. In the end, after a [[Kacey calls|long]] [[Father Call|series]] [[Kacey and Liquid Call|of]] [[The End for Real|calls]] that proved Ian to be unworthy of her love, the real Chris would win out and marry Kacey. Liquid's YouTube account would eventually close on 27 July 2011.

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===Asperchu Saga (''November 2009 - 10 January 2012'')===
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In late November 2009, an artist named [[Alec Benson Leary]] started a new series called ''Asperchu'', starring the titular Electric Hedgehog Pokemon. Chris had spent most of December ignoring ''Asperchu'' and its popularity before finally exploding with rage, claiming the series as nothing more than fanfiction and a parody. The popularity of ''Asperchu'', combined with Chris's continuing downward spiral that is [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], led many of Chris's fans to abandon ''Sonichu'' and go to ''Asperchu''.

Most of the saga has been spent with Chris raging at not just Alec, but also [[Evan]], Sean, and Asperpedia admin Mao over their usage of their characters and how they mock him. As well, Chris has been dealing with Evan over the usage of Simonla Rosechu, with Chris going so far as to deny reality and substitute it with his own.

In terms of productivity, it has given us ''Sonichu'' #10, which showcases Chris going all out in trying to get rid of everything he hates, including homosexuality and trolls. In that same book, Chris kills all four trolls involved in this saga as retaliation for making him kill Simonla Rosechu. Also, [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Calls|nine phone calls]] have been leaked. These phone calls show Alec attempting to get through to Chris and his way of thinking and Chris fighting tooth and nail not to change at all.

In the aftermath of the saga, Evan ceased his ''Simonchu'' comic, proud to have Simonla removed, Alec and Sean continued their respective comics, and Mao continues to poke and jab at Chris. And while the saga had for the most part died down, Asperpedia continued to harass its rival CWCipedia, either by placing new ads, vandalizing it, or shutting it down altogether. One of the post-trial ads even precipitated Chris's falling out with [[Jackie e-mails|Jackie]].

Alec Benson Leary would later be [[Calling Out "Alec Benson Leary" - Christopher|called out]] by Chris in 2011, and his identity was "revealed" as Christopher Paul Whitney, followed by Chris [[Chris and health|sloppily devouring a cheap microwavable pizza]]. This later turned out to be fake as months later, the ''real'' Christopher Paul Whitney made a response to Chris and essentially confirmed he was not Alec.

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===Tito Saga (''January 2010 - 10 August 2011'')===
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Sometime in January 2010, Chris met and fell in love with [[The Wallflower]], hoping she would be the one who'd end his streak of being a [[virgin with rage]]. On 9 March 2010, Chris would release a ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]'' video of a stage based off a book he was helping write with his gal-pal... and release her name in the process. Dedicated trolls used the information to discover the gal-pal's identity, but decided to let the lulz spread naturally. The next day, however, a troll revealed the information to the gal-pal, and while one set of lulz was stopped, another one was set into motion.

The troll, calling himself Surfshack Tito, claimed responsibility for not only hacking his PSN accounts for the umpteenth time, but also stealing The Wallflower from Chris. Chris, in response, threatened to go all out and seemingly try to murder Tito, threatening him with a [[pocket knife]], attacking him with [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|racial slurs]], and [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!|flashing his underwear while wearing a Scottish kilt]]. At the same time, Chris discovered and declared war on the CWCki, demanding that all pages involving himself, his friends and family be altered to suit his needs. To put it bluntly, Chris's attack on the CWCki fell utterly short.

The creativity here has been utterly stunted, especially after The Wallflower left him. He has gone on to blame his fans for wanting him to make more comics and compared them to the trolls that have tormented him. He has also vowed to leave the Internet forever, though he ended up reshowing his face 36 hours after his vow...

Tito was a major player in getting Chris to [[The MovingForward videos|destroy his PS3 for a fake bounty]]. Chris and Tito planned to meet up at a Starbucks where a [[pickleman]] would give him the money, but despite [[Clyde and Tito PS3 E-mails#Waiting for $9001|waiting]] Tito would never show up. Tito later explained this was because he gave the money to [[Liquid Chris]]

Echoes of this saga would be eventually heard in [[August 2011]] when, after announcing his glorious comeback to the Internet, Chris claimed to have discovered the true identity of Tito and tried to blackmail him using this information. Tito eventually [[Calling Out "Tito" - Don#Tito's official response|gave in]] to his demands on 9 August, which Chris [[Re: Don, and ReCalling Out "Thorg" - Jeremy|later acknowledged and accepted]].

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==Dark Ages (''20 March 2010 to 3 September 2014'')==

Though [[The Miscreants|the Miscreants]] could collectively keep Chris on edge for well over a year, it was inevitable that the archetypical lolcow would someday cease to give milk. His seeking out the Wallflower and then Jackie in person, instead of believing every self-declared boyfriend-free girl who caught his fancy online, was an early sign of the changing atmosphere: Chris's ill-fated attempt to seduce her marked a shift from focusing on on-line to real-world affairs. Information on Chris's life would increasingly need to be sought through [[Flipnote Hatena]], in-person encounters and other sources beside the Internet; [[Chris and cinematography|traditional videos]] became less frequent. Occasional [[muscle bra|transvestitism]] would soon become [[tomgirl|permanent]] as Chris began to leave his old identity behind him. Surprisingly, Chris would come to abstain even from his traditional [[Love Quest|pursuit of women]] and put the [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' comic]] on indefinite hiatus.

All sagas during this period are of this early transitional phase: [[Bob Chandler]]'s death in late [[2011]] drew a veil over Chris's affairs for the next several years. Direct records from Chris during this time are nearly exclusively found on [[Facebook]]; for a time, it appeared that Chris had learnt from his many years of abuse at the Internet's hands and was finally keeping a low profile. We are again dependent mostly on third-party sources for events such as [[28 October 2011|Snyder's near-death at Chris's hands]], the resulting [[Chris and the law|conviction]] and the [[2014 house fire]] in the following years. Organic CWC-generated activity would not re-emerge until mid-[[2014]], proving that he had, in fact, [[honor roll|learnt nothing]] from past events.

===First Exile (''20 March 2010 - 29 August 2010'')===
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After Chris lost the Wallflower and fought with Surfshack Tito, an outside force attempted to push Chris away from the Internet. No less than five times, Chris has boldly claimed that he has abandoned the Internet and smugly told his detractors that they should go outside and live their lives, advice Chris should have followed ''years'' ago. However, Chris still latched onto the Internet as much as he could, trying to find ways to sneak in without the force discovering him.

During this period he started a relationship with a girl named [[Jacklyn Romy]], and infiltrated the [[Trollin Train|inner circle of trolls]] using his persona '[[JenkinsJinkies]]'.

Trolls would end up discovering Chris dancing like a dying turkey at [[Fridays After Five]], then discover that he had set up shop at [[Flipnote Hatena]], where he tried to spread his sick and twisted thoughts to younger, innocent people before being shut down several times. However, the thing that would finally bring Chris back to the Internet and end his exile would be [[The MovingForward videos|the destruction of his beloved Life Upgrade]]. At his own hands, no less!

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===Jackie Saga (''5 April - 26 November 2010; 7 December 2010 - May 2012'')===
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Following the Wallflower incident's fallout, Chris pulled himself away from the Internet, only for him to meet and begin conversing to a woman named Jackie. Meeting her at [[The Hook Cafe]], the two began conversing through [[Jackie Emails|e-mails]], revealing the rationale in Chris's attempts to get back into The GAMe PLACe and showing [[For J-R's Eyes Only.MOV|he's still incredibly disturbing]]. However, Chris broke off his relationship with her after she attempted to get him to change his life for the better.

Around [[September 2010]], Jackie and Chris were confirmed to have attempted to try again with a relationship, with Chris creating [[100_2265|even]] [[ECV 00002|more]] [[Pregnant Act|disturbing]] [[Don'tPintheOop|videos]] in the process. A third party--[[Lars]] McNulty, Jackie's ex-boyfriend--stepped in by the end of September, prompting Chris to release several videos attacking his newfound enemy. Video updates became increasingly bizarre, but still occurred regularly until the end of [[October 2010|October]].

By [[November 2010|November]], the leaked correspondence showed that Jackie was getting increasing impatient as Chris kept failing to fulfill her requests, while Chris made up a lot of lame excuses for why he could not deliver on them, all while continuously begging Jackie to have sex with him. On November 26, Jackie would send Chris the latest in a string of e-mails in which she criticized him for his laziness and unwillingness when it came to pay a more active part in relationships, and how he, despite of this, kept begging her for sex. Chris stopped responding at this point, leading many to believe that the Jackie saga had finished.

However, in [[December 2010|December]], Jackie and Chris were in contact again. This would not be known until 2013, where a whole bunch of emails from then to [[September 2011]] were leaked. During this time, Chris came out as a tomgirl to her, while she later got Chris to make a bunch of humiliating videos, including [[Cakefarts]]. These would be leaked in [[February 2012]], leading to Chris unfriending her on Facebook in [[April 2012|April]], though refriending her a month later. She was never heard from again, putting an end to the saga.

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===Calling Out Saga (''6 August - 6 September 2011'')===
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During the beginning of [[August 2011|August]], Chris began to release videos as an attempt to get some sort of [[fangs|reprisal]] and [[Chris and his Ego|apology]] out of the [[trolls#The Few, the Proud, the Elite|trolls]]. Chris warned the trolls that if they didn't meet his [[Chris and negotiation#Calling Out|demands]] on the [[Stress|deadline]] Chris had set for them, then Chris would leak information [[Naïve|that he believed to be true]], even though most believe some of the information to be [[Kimmi|fake]]. This saga is notable for [[Calling Out#Summary|videos]] that showcase Chris's new [[Tomgirl Pictures|Tomgirl]] look, and further set in stone the aformentioned [[Tomgirl Saga]]. Though Chris reached the zenith of the Calling Out Saga on a high, having believed himself to have exiled some of his most prominent rivals from the internet, these series of videos would, however, come to an abrupt [[September 2011#Events|end]] after [[Chris and death#Robert Franklin Chandler Jr. (1927–2011)|tragedy struck the Chandler household]].

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===Second Exile (''6 September 2011 - 9 July 2014'')===
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Unlike the other exiles listed here, the Second CWC Exile came unannounced with the death of his [[Bob Chandler|father]]. Then came [[28 October 2011|October 28]], a day which will live in infamy for Chris. After trespassing and running over [[Michael Snyder]], he and [[Barb]] were arrested. Despite the help of [[Rob Bell]], they were found guilty and were sentenced. Since that day, most, if not all of Chris' internet activity were confined to his [[Facebook]] account, where he would gripe about loneliness and nostalgia. It wasn't until 2013 where he uploaded a new video. Although [[January 2014]] would bring him back to the spotlight briefly due to [[2014 house fire|a house fire]], it wasn't until the Sonic Boom saga where he would return to relevance.
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==Renaissance (''3 September 2014 to 24 October 2017'')==

A combination of events - namely yet another failed online sweetheart, and showing hatred for a ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' reboot so immense that it would eventually get him arrested - would lead to Chris being dragged back into the Internet spotlight.

===Catherine Saga (''9 July - 14 December 2014'')===
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With his newly acquired feminine wiles from his transition to a Tomgirl, Chris managed to attract a sweetheart who would be his first lesbian romance. In the summer of 2014, Chris would reveal he had found a new sweetheart, whose identity he managed to surprisingly conceal for period of time. Later, he would [[I Love You, Catherine|reveal]] that her name was Catherine. Predictably, she turned out to be a troll, who revealed much about Chris having met with him twice. Catherine's associate, [[Cousin Al]], would also meet the two of them at Applebee's, to which Chris would invite both of them to the charred remains of his house following a fire. From there, Al would collect several of Chris's old Manchester High assignments.

According to Catherine, his [[Catherine#The Date|behavior had not improved]] since the sexual harassment in the early days of the Megan Saga, and neither had the Chandlers's [[Rental House|comprehension of basic sanitation]]. In addition to Catherine's observation on her personal encounters, Chris also announced he had got a piercing on his [[Un-clit|perineum]], meaning this Saga provides some more detail on Chris's disturbing new features as a Tomgirl.

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===Sonic Boom Saga (''3 September 2014 - 7 December 2015'')===
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This Saga began with Chris grumbling on [[Facebook]] about the announcement of the latest [[Sonic]] game, ''[[Sonic Boom]]''. Chris wasn't alone in his discontent; many of his Facebook friends expressed disapproval about the deteriorating quality of the Sonic games. What made Chris unique in his irritation, is that the fact that Chris only took umbrage at the fact that the color of Sonic's arms had been changed from tan to blue.

This baffled most of his white knights, with [[William Elliott Waterman]] trying to explain just how ludicrous Chris's demands to Sega to revert back to blue were, especially considering ''Sonic Boom'' was not part of the ''Sonic'' canon. The fact that Sega had no control in the design of Sonic's arms did not deter him and, thanks to his white knights who unwaveringly encouraged him, he began to protest. Initially, his protest against the "Blue-Armed Bandit" took the form of Facebook boycott groups, petitions, and [[Death Threats|angry messages]] on Sega Facebook pages.

On [[26 December 2014|Boxing Day]], however, this Saga came into bloom, culminating in Chris's second pending court case. Despite warnings from even his most loyal white knights, Chris had decided to take it upon himself to bring the protest into the real world. He went into his local GameStops and vandalized the display cases, including stores he had [[List of places that have banned Chris|previously been banned from]]. It was during his visit to one of these stores that had banned Chris that resulted in his arrest on Boxing Day. Chris had been seen and asked to leave by the [[manajerks|management]]. After initially ignoring their requests he made his way towards the exit and, whilst on the way out, maced an employee, who hadn't been involved in his removal. As a result, Chris spent the weekend in jail, only to have Barb bail him out afterwards.

Despite this, he continues to go on a tard rage over Sonic's blue arms, calling out Kengle because he owns a ''comic'' with blue-armed Sonic, sending glitterbombs to Sega, and buying a Sonic Boom doll just to rip its arms off.

Later though, Chris claims victory in the blue arms debacle, due to Sonic the Hedgehog being his non-blue-armed form in ''Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games''. He says this is the final update for the group, but only time will tell if he's telling the truth.

Ultimately, after six days in court, Chris was found guilty on 15 October 2015 for the GameStop incident and was fined $541 along with a 180-day probation. Thus, the Blue Arms Saga ends (or has it?). Months later, Chris instructed his fanbase to [[Group Embargo on GameStop, Best Buy, and Simon Shopping Centers|boycott]] local stores which refused his request to be unbanned.

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===Lady Managers Saga (17 November 2015 - July 2016)===
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Between fall 2015 and summer 2016, Chris was in contact with people he vaguelly dubbed his ladyfriends or managers. During this time, he would be trolled by various characters - [[Jeff/Francine]] Ouzos, a thinly-disguised parody and wealthy rival of Chris; [[Sam and Ellen]], a lesbian couple considering Chris as a sperm donor, to whom he showed off his [[Chris's Specimen Sample|frozen sperm collection]]; and [[Johan]], the catalyst for the [[Lesbian Sex Audition]].

This saga saw the return of Chris uploading videos to YouTube after a years-long hiatus.

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===Pmurt Saga (25 September 2016 - 20 January 2017)===
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The saga started with a [[September 2016 Facebook posts#Registered to vote|Facebook comment on 25 September]] in where he decried then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump for his anti-LGBTQ opinions and misogynistic attitudes, labeling him "Pmurt" in an attempt to spite him. Many found this comment surprising, as Chris has been historically neutral in politics. As the election drew closer, Chris continued to criticize Trump, seemingly oblivious to the irony that any negative trait he could levy was far more applicable to himself. This saga reached its peak when Trump was elected president. During this point, he would make [[Pmurt#2016|death threats to him]]. This culminated in a one-week ban from Facebook.

On Inauguration day, Chris would make [[The United States of America has NO President or Vice President, Whatsoever|one last attack]]. Although Chris still holds negative opinions of Pmurt, he is not nearly as expressive with his vitriol as he was during this saga. Even when Trump was impeached, Chris gave no thoughts on it.

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===Doopie Saga (''7 March - 26 September 2017'')===
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Also coined by the [[Kiwi Farms]], this saga began when Chris [[2017 tweets#Empathizing with BPD|made a tweet]] empathizing with ''Planet Dolan'' animator and artist [https://www.youtube.com/user/DoopieDoOver DoopieDoOver]. He began frequently replying to her tweets, usually with small talk and the occasional sharing of a life experience, or shameless attempts at flirting. The saga's climax began on 1 August, when Chris pledged to Doopie's alternative Patreon account, "Kittenbell", which handles pornographic commissions. The same day, Chris listed her among his [[Gal pals]] on "National Girlfriend Day", only for her to promptly rebuke him.
Afterward, Doopie tweeted about the harassment she was receiving (from Chris), went to the Kiwi Farms, and leaked his private e-mails to her business account. Chris discovered that Doopie had turned on him and desperately followed several of Doopie's friends (including her [[JERKS|boyfriend]]) in an attempt to stay connected. However, he unfollowed most of them when it became clear his plan would not work, while the rest blocked him themselves.

Doopie has not contacted Chris since August 2017; his hopes of building her into a [[sweetheart]] or [[gal pal]] from the ground up, predictably, were in vain. By September, Chris had found a new sweetheart and moved on. Their interactions showed that Chris's immense [[Chris and socialization|social ineptitude]] and creepy behavior have not abated. Doopie inadvertently became the greatest [[Trolls|troll]] Chris faced in many years, [[Heart level|breaking his heart]] and feeding new information to Christorians.

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===Quinn Saga (''7 September - 5 October 2017'')===
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Jessica Quinn, for years a [[white knight]] of Chris, suddenly decided to troll him with the tried-and-true method of [[Sweetheart|pretending to fall in love with him]]. Highlights of the brief saga include pictures and videos of Chris crying over a short breakup, an old-fashioned [[CLog 10042017 - Q&A NO MORE|rage video]] following their final breakup (which he initially blamed on hackers from [[Kiwi Farms]]), and Quinn manipulating Chris into adding fat fetishism to ''Sonichu''. This saga would serve as the transition for the new wave of trolling yet to come for Chris.

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==Transcendental Awakening (''August 2017 to 30 July 2021'')==

After a period of reemergence from Chris, several trolls soon began to notice Chris' deteriorating mental state, and found it the perfect opportunity to troll him again, this time through the tactic of [[enablers|enabling]] his beliefs and brainwashing new ridiculous concepts into him. This all began with [[Joshua Wise]], an anime-obsessed troll who greatly manipulated him for his own personal gain by changing major parts of the canon of his Sonichu comics, coercing him into producing strange videos, and proposing the [[Polyamorous marriage|infamous marriage]] between Chris and a bunch of fictional characters, half of which Chris had already created.

Chris' new motto to [[Chris and kindness|befriend everyone he meets]], even complete strangers, has also made it much easier to manipulate him. Because of this, many other trolls began to follow suit, using some of the same tactics that Wise had used to manipulate Chris with, with very little questioning on his end. Since then, Chris has started to believe himself to be the goddess of an alternate dimension, dubbing himself and all other residents of said dimension as "[[OCs]]".

===Idea Guys Saga (''25 October 2017 - 29 April 2018'')===
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In early November 2017, Chris began blurting out nonsensical stories about [[Sonichu (comic)|his comics]], such as the characters of [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]] invading [[CWCville]], CWCville reacting to the invasion by setting up [[Operation BARBarossa|concentration camps]], and Vladimir Putin being president of the United States in another dimension. He also began making strange videos involving Internet memes and cultural and historical references he clearly did not understand.

It came to light that an anonymous troll, acting as Chris' "idea guy", noted Chris' difficulty distinguishing [[Chris and reality|reality and fiction]] and lack of understanding of history and politics, and began convincing Chris to make bizarre or politically incorrect content. There are signs that the Idea Guy's influence was coercive or deceptive in nature, such as Chris being [[Chris and hypocrisy|shocked]] at his suggestion that Rosechu was [[Homos#Transgenderism|transgender]], and appearing visibly uncomfortable as he performed an "[[CWC-isms#A|anchuent]] [[Cherokee|Cherokean]] chant".

After a calm period in early January, the saga escalated again as Chris made [[Smashing|two]] [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis|bizarre]] videos of ranting about Nazis and smashing his possessions. Possibly as a response, moderators at [[Kiwi Farms]] doxed the Idea Guy troll, revealing his name as Joshua Wise.

Despite that setback, Wise decided to continue being the Idea Guy. His changes to ''Sonichu'' remained canon, with Chris continuing to produce drawings using ideas which Wise had established prior to the dox, and Chris continued to proudly wear the [[Chris and fashion#Gopnik outfit|Gopnik outfit]] which Wise first convinced him to don.

Chris subsequently announced that he was bisexual, and was attracted to [[Chris-Chan Sonichu|his own fursona]] and said he had gotten married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]]. More questionable acts such as Chris [[Dick Licker; that is I|licking pictures of Magi-chan's penis drawn on a wall]] and prostituting himself on Twitter were scripted and executed.

In May 2018, [[The Captain]] discovered what the Idea Guys were doing and rescued Chris from the Idea Guys. He, along with [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Marvin]] and [[Null]], then gathered evidence to submit to law enforcement. As for Chris, he disavowed some ideas given to him by the Idea Guys (though keeping the majority of them, like his make-believe marriage).

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===Prequel Comic Saga (''2 January 2018 - 14 May 2018'')===
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On 2 January 2018, the graphic designer and comic creator [[Bryanfrogboy|Bryan Shickley]] would get the attention of Chris after he had created "Chris Chan: A Prequel Comic". Bryan then soon claimed that he would make merchandise off of the francise, to which Chris approved. During a time when Chris was in financial ruin, which was later worsened after the Idea Guys extorted money from him, the comic, along with the merchandise created by Bryan, would become some of the first things that Chris would promote to help him out of his dire financial situation.

Bryan's comic would also get Chris to reflect on some of his biggest blunders, including SheCameForCWC.jpg, him attemping to run over Michael Snyder, and others.

A highlight of the brief saga includes Chris approaching what appeared to be his first male sweetheart, Bryan himself, as a result of the Idea Guys previously brainwashing him into believing he was bisexual, even writing an erotic gay poem for him. Attempts were made by Bryan's girlfriend to keep Chris away from Bryan. Along with this, gal-pal Tings Tingz would also show feelings for Bryan.

Due to his associations with Chris during the midst of the Idea Guys, Bryan would be accused by onlookers as a possible troll and/or ween, as well as getting attacked by actual weens himself.

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===Guard Dogs (''Summer 2018'')===
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After the events of the Idea Guy saga, it became clear that Chris was dealing with a [[ween]] epidemic. To combat this, Null and The Captain decided to step in and filter Chris's emails and Twitter to prevent trolls from getting through. Null made a thread on Kiwi Farms showing off the intercepted ween messages and even doxing the senders.

According to con attendees, Null seems to have recruited some Kiwi Farms users to follow Chris around [[BronyCon]] in 2018 in order to prevent people from talking to him. If this is true, it's most likely in response to Chris's meltdown at [[TooManyGames]] and Null, not wanting this to happen again, assembled an elite anti-ween task force. The Captain assisted Chris when his car broke down on the way back from BronyCon. More elaborate plans were also implemented, including a plan for a field agent to whisk Chris away to assisted living after his mother passes.

Null and The Captain would also attempt to give Chris advice. In particular, Null encouraged him to talk to his therapist about the Idea Guys, in order to fast-track law enforcement involvement, but Chris was reluctant to do so. Instead, Chris opted to retreat into the ruins of his fantasy world. Eventually, it became clear that Chris had disregarded the precautions set up for him and found a new set of trolls to replace the Idea Guys: the [[Teen Troon Squad]]. Null and The Captain's willingness to help Chris has since diminished, although they remain in proximity to Chris online to document and discuss any goings-on.

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===Teen Troon Squad Saga (''24 April 2018 - 1 January 2019'')===
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The Teen Troon Squad is a group of 18- to 19-year-old FTM trans people who live locally to Chris. They gained influence over Chris upon purchasing his porn artwork on [[eBay]] for $1,000 in April 2018.

After Chris was rescued from the [[Idea Guys]] in May 2018, he continued to hold onto the beliefs they had programmed into him. Although he was encouraged to seek [[Chris and psychology|therapy]], Chris balked at the idea and instead sought out more people to feed his delusional thinking - and got his wish in the form of the Teen Troon Squad; around October of that same year, for the second time in 2018, Chris was trolled by people claiming to be his own fictional characters when the Squad invited Chris over to their house, where they pushed his delusional thinking.

In October 2018 Chris began outlining a supposed 'Dimensional Merge' that would take place at the end of 2018, in which the [[Reality Cartoon|real world]], aka Dimension 1218, and its sister dimension, C197, were to collide and combine in an event of supposedly-apocalyptic proportions. Lukas, a Squad member, has alleged that this was a holdover from the Idea Guys, but implied that the Squad encouraged these beliefs in Chris.

In November 2018, several previously unreleased Idea Guy videos, such as [[All Star]], [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and [[Chris lost Crystal]] began to be leaked on Chris's Twitter.

In late December 2018, the Squad was doxed by an unknown party who logged into Chris's Twitter. One of the Squad members then leaked more documents on /cow/. On 30 December 2018, Chris wrote a Twitter post bashing Lukas, also mentioning that Lukas had wanted him to buy [[alcohol|booze]]. As a result of the spotlight being well and truly shone upon their schemes, the Teen Troon Squad has since retreated into the shadows.

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===G5 Pony Saga (''13 August 2018 - Present'')===
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As the [[2010s]] came to a close, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic was clearly entering its last days. Since its target audience is school aged children it's a common practice by the more competent animation studios to end those shows before it gets to the point that the kids watching it are younger than the show itself. Afterwards, if said show was part of a franchise, they create a new installment for said franchise. Such a cycle has been happening in My Little Pony since its inception in 1984 and has happened once again. Friendship is Magic ended in [[2019]] with a more light-hearted filler series airing from [[2020]] as a way to tide over the fanbase until the premiere of the new generation, which happened in [[September 2021]] with the release of a movie. The filler series, called MLP: Pony Life struck a major nerve with Chris who holds the belief that Friendship is Magic is meant to have 14 seasons due to delusions rooted in the [[Dimensional Merge]]. This instance, preceded in [[August 2018]] by a panning of the leaked early designs for the G5 ponies were some of the occasional posts of disapproval throughout the close of the decade. For a while it was on Chris' back burner but on 27 [[July 2021]] Chris uploaded a tard rage video demanding that the new My Little Pony generation be cancelled, confirming that Chris holds Sonic Boom-esque feelings towards this. The lulz were subsequently cancelled when Chris admitted to incest.

However, despite his incarceration, this hasn't stopped him from expressing nothing but hatred towards this reboot. Chris had expressed in numberous jail letters about how he believes the reboot has caused major world catastrophes such as the Russo-Ukrainian war, fully returning to this sentiment in 2024.

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===Jacob Saga (''14 July - 28 November 2019; 15 July - 26 August 2020'')===
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Though he had been [[autism|autistically]] obsessed with Chris since around 2018, amateur sorcerer Jacob Sockness only made Chris's acquaintance in [[June 2019]], after an unremarkable troll convinced Chris that Sockness would be interested in buying his filthy bathwater. On 14 [[July 2019]], the two agreed to a closer partnership: Sockness would act as a middleman for Chris's [[2019 Sales Listings|merchandise]], in order to evade Chris's [[eBay#Suspension of Chris's eBay|eBay ban]]. The two would soon abandon this scheme, however, instead deciding to direct their attention to another of their shared interests; [[Chris and religion#Delusions of godhood|pretending to be gods]]. Their mystical and occultist schemes would cross-pollinate, Jacob's extraterrestrial demons wending their way into the [[Dimensional Merge]]'s logistics. The most notable example being the [[Spirit possession#Magi-Chan|Magi-Chan possession]], in which from [[August 2019]] to [[September 2019]], Chris believed that he swapped minds with [[Magi-Chan]] in order to visit [[Jacob Sockness]] so he wouldn't need to actually do so in real life. The period of Magi-Chan roleplaying lasted an entire month. Jacob's antics with Chris was not ignored, as soon, [[Kiwi Farms|onlookers]] would find out about Jacob and dox him, but Sockness would not be deterred by a mere dox; for he had apparently already doxed himself long before meeting Chris, and would boast freely and frequently about how he was misleading Chris for his own ends. [[Slow-in-the-minds|Despite the obvious dangers]], Chris continued to believe Jacob's teachings [[honor roll|at face value]], and encouraged his desire to meet in person. In late [[September 2019]], the situation nearly reached a boiling point when Sockness announced that he had secured a train ticket and was traveling from his home in California to [[Charlottesville]], and threatened that he would [[rape|brutally abuse]] Chris after arriving at [[14 Branchland Court]]. Being understandably alarmed by this, Chris [[Chris and negotiation|demanded]] that Sockness return, and with the help of the [[Watchmen]], arranged for a [[white knight|supporter]] to intercept Sockness in Chicago and provide for him to return to San Francisco. Jacob relented, and the two grew more distant. Sockness would temporarily return to Chris's good side in late [[October 2019]] and early [[November 2019]], yet by the end of that month he would once again be cast aside by Chris.

However, in early 2020, Chris once again started to talk to Jacob, believing in Jacob's supposed [[Magical thinking|occult practices]]. Though it appeared that they were coming close to one another again, Chris's and Sockness's relationship would permanently come to an end in [[August 2020]], after Sockness creepily theorized on [[Twitter]] that [[Mia Hamm]] supposedly bared Chris's illegitimate child after they had sex. Although Jacob would make several other attempts to win Chris's favor over the course of the next few months, all attempts would ultimately be unsuccessful.

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==Rise-N-Fall (''Mid 2018 - 31 July 2021'')==

By mid-2018, with the creation of several [[Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History|documentaries]] pertaining to Chris, a new generation of Christorians had began to form, and awareness of the Chris Chan saga began to rise, further fueled by Chris's expanding fantasy world, partially influenced by webcomic [[Ben Saint]].

In late 2019, a group consisting of [[enablers]] and [[white knights]] was established through [[Discord]] to gatekeep Chris from potential [[trolls]], [[A-Log|A-Logs]], and the aforementioned weens. Much like many other white knights and enablers, they gained Chris's trust by appealing to and indulging in his delusions, specifically ones related to the [[Dimensional Merge]] and [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU Goddesses]]. They eventually named themselves the Watchmen. The group's primary objective was to protect Chris from trolls.

Alongside the Watchmen, another group of enablers called [[Praetor]] had formed, allowing Chris to profit off of his fantasies (though only at a fraction of what they themselves made), the closest he's gotten to a real job. In conjunction to this, Chris was pumping out more drawings on a consistent basis.

As a result of both groups, and Chris's newer business ventures, Chris's life appeared to become more stable, as there was less interference from trolls, he was now consistently making profits due to a growing fanbase, and he had even found a woman who was actually attracted to him. This era marks the calm before the storm, when most of Chris's activity seemed primarily dormant again, and it appeared that things were going much better for him... Until a very dark secret came to light.

===Copitz Saga (''19 May 2018 - December 2019'')===
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On 19 May 2018, the Youtube speedrunner and Twitch user [[Copitz]] had began visiting [[14 Branchland Court]] to record videos of himself with Chris and his friends in several different areas. Some of these videos included ones where Chris was in an abandoned hospital hunting for ghosts, while others had involved several interviews with him.

Copitz would get contacted by [[TheGamerFromMars]], who wanted to get in contact with Chris for his documentary series, [[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]. Throughout the documentary, there are 8 scenes of Copitz and GFM talking with Chris, in between the meat of the episode, which is a summary of Chris's life. Despite meeting with Chris in [[December 2019]], the documentary would only be released on [[March 2022]].

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===TF2 Analysis Saga (''Late 2018 - 30 October 2020'')===
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In [[January 2019]], a slew of people began to block Chris on Twitter, either due to his own harassment or egging on by weens. This caused Chris, naturally, to rage about it, and eventually to protect his Twitter account. For months, he had shown no signs of budging. All of his tweets during this period consisted of complaining about being blocked, or else his dimensional delusions mentioned above. After protecting his Twitter account, he would greatly reduce his social media activity, and in [[June 2019]] even extended to disabling comments again on his [[June 2019 videos|recent videos]]. This period of time also marked Chris's bizarre adoption of the word "[[My Little Pony|Bugbear]]" (a phrase referring to minor annoyances) and employing it almost everywhere in his wild and unclear rants. After several months, Chris's initial bitterness from the blocks seems to have faded, and he opened his Twitter account for the public again.

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===Secret Shipfic Saga (''16 August 2019 - 31 July 2021'')===
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On 16 August, 2019, Chris began to create trading cards for his Sonichu comics, much like his [[Wall of Originals]] using a template from the My Little Pony parody game ''[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder]]''. His most ambitious project in several years, Chris fully embraced the concept, and has seemingly supplanted the ''Sonichu'' comics in favour of the cards as his principal monetary venture. The card game also became Chris's primary means to expand upon the lore of the fantasy world that he has created, and that several trolls from before had provided influence onto. Chris had posted several cards featuring the OCs created by fans and enablers.

[[Ben Saint]] a webcomic artist and creator of the webseires ''Endless War'', had tried to profit off of Chris's infamy by implementing characters from the comic into Sonichu, thereby creating the "Slime Saga". Chris had eventually implemented Ben's characters and ideas into Sonichu in [[Sonichu Special 7]]. However, Ben's attempts at creating a new saga from the ground-up, and promoting his comic, by tinkering with Chris's own comics only proved to be of a very limited success when Chris began ignoring Saint's attempts at provocation by mid-October, and when conflicts of interest had risen between the two creators. Following from this, several white knights and past enablers such as [[Jacob Sockness]] and [[MKRNightVee]] came into the scene in order to regain power over Chris or to justify Chris's actions. When Chris began shifting his focus on his Sonichu comics to the aforementioned card game, Chris had implemented Saint's characters, as well as ideas brought to him by drama surrounding him, and a new wave of [[white knights]] defending Chris's actions, [[enablers]] suggesting new OCs into Chris's now expanding universe, and [[weens|wannabe trolls]] trying to take a piece of Chris's infamy for themselves would show up into the mix.

Chris was able to develop a new fanbase through a series of commissions, and implementing people's [[OCs]] into his canon.

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===Watchmen Saga (''Late 2019 - August 2021'')===
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The Watchmen would gatekeep Chris through means of collecting information, doxing, and harassing anybody attempting to interact or get involved with Chris. The existence of the Watchmen was not publicly known until [[August 2020]], in which they leaked content that they had received from Chris.

The Watchmen would be responsible for and or related to many notable events that took place throughout 2020 and early 2021. Such as removing [[Jacob Sockness]]'s influence over Chris, the previously mentioned [[2020 Discord leaks]], being heavily involved in the [[Discord Q&A]]'s, and having multiple conflicts with members of [[Praetor]].

However, as 2021 continued on, the Watchmen seemingly became less publicly involved with Chris. Things came to a head in [[June 2021]], as internal conflicts among the Watchmen arose, with a member of the group, [[The WCT]], being doxed on the [[Kiwi Farms]] by the leader of the group, [[Naught|Bismuth]]. The WCT then decided to inform Chris of Bismuth doxing him. As a result, Chris recorded a short audio clip saying "Fuck Bismuth!" before leaving [[The Place]], a Discord server run by the Watchmen, while The WCT was being simultaneously banned from it. A few days later, another member of the Watchmen stated on Twitter that Chris had apparently cut contact with her and other Watchmen. This incident effectively ended the most known iteration of the Watchmen.

A new Discord server, entitled [[The Knights of CWC]], was established by [[The WCT]], who invited Chris and several members of the Watchmen. In the meantime, Chris was also set to attend the brony convention [[Everfree Northwest]]. Chris was already in contact with [[Isabella Loretta Janke|Isabella "Bella" Janke]], who was later known for making A-Logging comments and edgy jokes about wanting to harm Chris. Chris was also secretly in contact with [[Fiona]], a young autistic woman who had a genuine crush on him, who had planned to meet him at the convention. Chris invited both Fiona and Bella into WCT's Knights server. Bella had agreed to serve as a bodyguard to protect Chris from [[Jacob Sockness]], who swore to attend the event in disguise. Bella would also agree to serve as Chris's "photographer".

Chris was banned from the Knights of CWC server after [[Jail Saga|his arrest on 1 August 2021]] due to his incestuous behavior with Barbara. When Bella attempted and failed to damage control her name, she would trick the WCT into believing that a set of fabricated texts she made that alleged Chris was having BDSM-style sex with Barb were real, and that Fiona had also owned a copy of these texts of her own. WCT sharing these texts, along with partially revealing Fiona's identity would get him in hot water, and cause many Watchmen members to turn tail.

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===Praetor Saga (''October 2020 - Present'')===
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On October 2020, Chris would be seen in a photo posing with several members of a group refered to as Praetor. This group would sell Chris-related merchandise with his permission. Most of the merchadise that Praetor had sold would have been used as a means for Chris to profit off of his fantasies amist the Financhu Crisis, creating his very own cult. Chris had a sermon regarding the Dimensional Merge at the Goochland Library. Praetor had also created special Golden Medallions which would give customers access to the Golden Church of Sonichu.

By the time Chris had interacted with Praetor, Chris had also gotten in touch with a new sweetheart, Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke, who created an animated intro for him by his request. Bella also acted very nice around Chris, which would cause her to gain much trust from him. However, Bella also displayed notable A-logging elsewhere, claiming that she wanted to get Chris to harm himself or commit suicide, and even claiming that she tried to persuade other Praetor members to convince him to cut his penis off.

Praetor was also a target of the white-knight group, the Watchmen. Most infamously, Praetor promoted the sale of tasers and stun guns on their Etsy page to simulate "zapping to the extreme". A taser and Pikachu mask would be found in their shopping cart. Chris stated on 21 February 2021 that he wanted to use a taser in order to activate the Dimensional Merge by zapping his [[Gate Crystal]]. Following this, Chris engaged in a call with Praetor leader Caden Peck and several Watchmen members, discouraging him from taking this course of action. A chunk of the full call would be leaked, leaving out much of the key context in the full call, and many rumors about the group and the call would be spread by Watchmen leader [[Naught]], Larry Vaughn, and Bella on the Kiwi Farms, as well as by the Christuber [[GiBi]] on his own YouTube channel.

While the group has since disbanded, with Caden being the only confirmed remaining member, he still continues to manipulate and profit off of Chris via various means to this very day. While a lot of information relating to Caden has since been uncovered, the internal workings of the Praetor's current iteration still remain a mystery.

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===Warhol Saga (''24 May - 19 September 2021'')===
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In May 2021 Chris discovered an Amazon listing for a book made by Don Lashomb that favorably compared him to mid-century pop artist Andy Warhol. Naturally this inflated his ego and caused him to devote several tweets to said comparison. Don Lashomb would actually end up writing the book, and selling it on Amazon. Later Chris went on to begin reviewing the book and made [[Warhol Tweets|Tweets]] featuring his takes on the weens compliments, despite his disapproval at Lashomb saying his [[Chris and Reality|delusions weren't real]]. Chris would make several periodic tweets throughout summer 2021, reviewing the book as he went along.

Chris and Don talked in private multiple times, and Lashomb would state that he was very pleasant to talk to, due to him supposedly being polite, able to take criticism, and paying attention to detail<ref>[[Warhol / Chris Chan#Lashomb's Interactions with Chris]]</ref>. Don was one of the people Chris would drop hints to about his [[Affair with Mother|incestous relationship]] with [[Barb]], though he didn't pick up on them. Despite Lashomb cutting ties with Chris, Chris would continue to promote the book in prison.

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===Incest Saga (''26 June 2021 - 31 July 2021'')===
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During the beginning of 2021, Chris exhibited [[Lonely feelings|many signs of sexual frustration]] much more intense than ever before, to the point of openly discussing this with several Watchmen members, as well as crushing on [[MKRNightVee|several]] [[Annie Ikenberry|females]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|of]] [[Fiona|interest]] all at once, and having wet dreams involving cartoon characters<ref>[[:File:ThePlace1stLayer 02Feb21 - almost sex dream.png]]</ref>. Towards the end of June, Chris grew impatient and decided to release this sexual frustration on his own mother. Chris would do this over the span of one month every three days. Chris would hint at this affair over this timespan, referring to Barb as a "Sweetheart over 50".

On 5 July 2021, Null would be one of the first people that Chris would confess to having a "sweetheart over 50".

On 27 July 2021, Chris would also confess to Bella that he was having an affair with the "sweetheart over 50". About two weeks later, on the the 28th, he would further confess in a 4-hour call that this sweetheart was actually his mother. The following night, when Bella had given her an edited 9 minute version of the call, Fiona initiated leaks of it by sharing a further edited 4-minute version of the call, and then the full 9 minutes when people doubted its legitimacy. Bella would end up doing damage control to her name soon after, which ended up with her getting discovered.

On 31 July 2021, two days after the initial leak, Greene County police were contacted and Chris was removed from his property, with Barb also being taken to a hospital for a checkup. An emergency protection order was also taken out against Chris, forbidding him from contacting Barb or setting foot on his property for a week.

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==Silent Years (''1 August 2021 - 16 October 2023'')==

After enjoying nearly 14 years of being an infamous YouTuber with a cult following, Chris's notability rose as his reputation plummeted. His name trended on Twitter as local news picked up on his largest controversy yet, accompanied by many major shifts in Chris's life.

===Jail Saga (''1 August 2021 - 27 March 2023'')===
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On 1 August, Chris was arrested outside the Regency Inn he was staying at, and the next day was officially charged for incest. By the end of the month, it was discovered that Barb had returned home, and that the Chandlers' car had been returned to her, with new numberplates replacing the SONICHU ones. During that period, Chris was being held in Central Virginia Regional Jail without bond.

This saga is notable for the [[jail letters]], a series of letters Chris has written to fans and wannabe trolls alike, answering their questions and providing a stream of information about his current delusions and stay in jail. A vast majority of these letters would be Chris's ramblings of being a messianic figure, as well as being a reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Chris's desperation to get out of jail would show all throughout the saga.

After three continuances, On 28 February 2022, Chris was transferred and committed into the [[Western State Hospital]] mental institution in Staunton, Virginia (formerly known as the Western State Lunatic Asylum) for a competency evaluation before his next hearing.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 1 June 2022]]</ref> During his stay, Chris was allegedly [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School|pinned down]] by the orderlies on his last day in the facility.

Chris was eventually transferred back to the Central Virginia Regional Jail on 3 May 2022. The period between these two transfers would prove to be one of the more silent moments in Christory, due to such facilities having strict measures regarding the interactions between its patients and the outside world.

Chris's last hearing had occurred on 22 July 2022, where Chris's case was elevated to the circuit court, and sent to a grand jury for a potential felony charge. On 5 August 2022, David Heilberg had issued a motion for an autism disorder deference for Chris's case, where he is placed under probation terms and supervised. A transportation order for Chris has also been made on 10 August 2022. A review of Chris's case following the deference has been scheduled for 8 August 2023.

On 27 March 2023, Chris was released from custody.<ref>[[:File:VineLink Out of Custody 27 March 2023.png]]</ref><ref>[[:File:VineLink Out of Custody 27 March 2023 - 1 49 pm update.png]]</ref>

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===Third Exile (''27 March 2023 - 16 October 2023'')===
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On 27 March 2023 Chris was transferred from jail to [[Gateway Homes]] and soon after he began to be recognized and photographed in public as if he were a cryptid. The start of May would mark the first of [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|many sightings]]. Possibly in a vain hope of disguising himself from watchful eyes, Chris started wearing hats and [[Pedo-Glasses|bulky glasses]], going so far as to hide the [[Sonichu Medallion]] under his shirt. In the latter half of September, Chris's car was spotted at [[14 Branchland Court]], and he was seen allegedly hugging and ''kissing'' a [[Flutter|mysterious blonde woman]].

On 9 August Chris's charge of [[Affair with Mother|incest]] was [[Jail_Saga#Dismissal|dismissed]], making Chris [[Honest Content#True and Honest|truly, but not honestly]], a free man. One Day later he became active on [[Pokémon GO#Post-jail|Pokémon GO]] in [[Big Island, VA]]. Two days later, Chris spoke his first recorded words since his release as a status update on his [[PlayStation Network#Post-jail activity|PlayStation Network]] account, being "I'm Christ Chan Prime". On the 16th, Chris [[Twitter#Post-jail activity|became active on Twitter]] by liking posts. On the 23rd, Chris made his [[DeviantART#Post-jail|first post-jail social media posts]] in a massive dump of previously unseen art (much of it made in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]]), along with new content from the unfinished ''Sonichu 15'' comic, now renamed to ''[[Sonichu 0 HD]]''.

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==Second Coming (''16 October 2023 - Present'')==

After months of public sightings and reports of incognito online activity, Chris (now under the name of Mrs. Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime) officially returned to the online world and [[Messiah complex|proclaimed himself the messiah]]. Chris has received a surprisingly warmer welcome back than expected, probably because everyone is traumatized enough by the previous few years both in and outside of Christory to not care anymore. Behind the scenes, [[Praetor]] continues to manage Chris and presumably vet his content.

This era has been defined by well-produced and well-edited content uncharacteristic of Chris, likely reflecting both Chris's new experience in video editing as well as Praetor's control over him. Predictably, as Chris comes the closest he ever has to being a legitimate content creator, his viewership is only plummeting as his content has become unwatchably boring. Chris's sanity, meanwhile, is missing and presumed dead.

===Revelations Saga (''16 October 2023 - Present'')===

On 16 [[October 2023]], Chris made his first series of social media posts for over two years on YouTube and Twitter, dubbing himself "Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime" and that he had been resurrected and returned. Praetor's [[OfficialCWCmart]] store once again became operational. Despite the best attempts to cover up Chris's current location, [[Kiwi_Farms|internet sleuths]] discovered it to be [[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA#Big Island|a house]] owned by [[Caden Peck]] in [[November 2023]]. Praetor's management of (and control over) Chris has been wholly reflected in his content. Meanwhile, off the internet, Chris was spotted several times with [[Flutter]], causing speculation as to her role in regard to both Chris and Praetor.

This saga has largely been defined by Chris's return to both online and public fandom spaces, and his slow leaking of stories regarding both the [[Jail Saga]] and his [[Affair With Mother]]. His tirade against [[My Little Pony: Make Your Mark|My Little Pony G5]] has also continued, with Chris now accusing the show of being Russian propaganda.

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==See also==
*''[[Excel Saga]]''

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{{Protip|Contacting Chris does not make a saga, even if it gets a response. Getting your own saga in Christory is also ''NOT'' an achievement. [[Megan|Just]] [[BlueSpike|ask]] [[Doopie|these]] [[Idea Guys|people]] [[Praetor|if you don't believe us]].

 In addition, it is important to note that sagas by definition occur for a number of reasons, regardless of troll involvement. These sagas are about Chris, not you.}}
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{{Quote|I've had online relationships in my past; most of which were good, but all of them ended not so good for me.|Chris makes the understatement of the century<ref>[[Sydney Kirsch]]</ref>}}

A "'''saga'''" (from the Old Norse ''sögur'') is a story arc of events on the [[CWChronology]], documenting Chris' actions during a specific span of time. The Christorian use of the term is derived from story arcs in ''[[Dragon Ball]]'', a series that Chris likes, based on the story arcs usually being named after an arc villain. (This was true for Christory at first, but Sagas have since encompassed various sweethearts and and specific events over specifically revolving around specific antagonists to Chris-Chan.)

==Meta-Sagas==

For nearly two decades, Chris has been going through one tumult or another. However, throughout each of these, Chris has had a [[autism|special interest]] or obsession that would follow him through all of them, and would define him as a person. Indeed, this central focus of his life would serve to unite his sagas with a common theme: a near-certain way to get a reaction out of Chris would be by winning his trust through feeding his special interest, and then exploiting it for Laughs Under Lucricities. For most of Christory, this would be pretending to be a [[boyfriend-free girl]], but more recently this has transmuted into [[Chris and his Ego|feigning to worship]] him. As they are threads running through and linking together, and are the broadest strokes of Chris's life, they can be considered ''meta-sagas'', beyond and more fundamental than the fleeting fancies of any individual [[troll]].

===Love Quest (ca. 2003 - March 2018; January 2021-Present)===
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''The'' quintessential saga, and the one that introduced this word to the Christorian's lexicon. Sometime early in his career at PVCC, Chris decided that he needed a girlfriend to call his own. Beset on all sides by the [[Infinitely-High Boyfriend Factor]] (read: women were repulsed by his unusual mannerisms), the [[virgin with rage]] resorted to increasingly desperate and bizarre methods of obtaining one, which have seen him [[List of places that have banned Chris|expelled and banned]] from multiple reputable establishments. After his discovery by the Internet, Chris would flutter from one professed girlfriend to another, thinking that each might be the [[CWCisms#H|heartsweet]] that might end this search once and for all. Alas, it was not meant to be, and Chris often found himself betrayed and humiliated in comical and grotesque ways. The Love Quest survived several upheavals in Chris's life, including his father's death, the loss of his virginity, the house fire and his gender transition (see below), yet despite Christorians' predictions, and the [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Pickle Man]]'s injunctions, finally concluded in [[March 2018]], when a mentally eroded Chris declared himself in a [[polyamorous marriage]] with his [[Chris and reality|fictional characters]].

The Love Quest would seem to come back in full force by the beginning of 2021, and much more intense than before, with Chris expressing sexual frustrations to Watchmen members, wishing to get a physical girlfriend. He would crush on multiple women of interest all at once and have wet dreams that involved cartoon characters. It would get intense to the point of releasing this sexual frustration on his own mother, leading to dire consequences.
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===Transgender Saga (''30 March 2011 - Present'')===
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In [[2011]], Chris began the process of gender transitioning. In March of that year, he starting cross-dressing and later came out as a "tomgirl". Despite resistance from his parents, Chris continued down the transgender path, exploring his gender identity. In 2014, he briefly identified as a lesbian male, and a year later, settled on identifying as a lesbian transwoman.
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===Business Saga (''3 July 2014 - 8 June 2016''; ''June 2017 - July 2021'')===

Although this Saga began during the Sonic Boom Saga, it ultimately outlasted it. Chris realized during this Saga that he could make significantly large amounts of [[money]] by selling his own products, including Medallions and customized [[Sonichu Amiibo]]s, first on [[eBay]], then on [[Etsy]]. This Saga is notable for featuring the return of frequent video uploads by Chris. Inevitably, Chris's laziness got the better of him (again) and he failed to ship out multiple orders. As his interest in making money dwindled, the [[Financhu Crisis]] began to strain the Chandler finances. Chris failed to get his act together, resulting in him getting banned from selling on Etsy on 8 June 2016, halting the Saga. There were a [[Paid Video Requests|few]] [[Skylanders Imaginators Leader Christine W Chandler: random Review N' Stuff|recurrences]] where Chris attempted to profit from his own products again, but these were expectedly fruitless and short-lived. In [[May 2017]], Chris began drawing [[Sonichu 11|''Sonichu'' #11]] pages again after a 561-day hiatus, and in June, he resumed monetizing ''Sonichu'' comics, by setting pages as rewards on his [[Patreon]] account and again offering printed books from [[Lulu]].

Through 2018 and 2019, Chris has grown neglectful of his commercial obligations, failing to produce Sonichu pages and ship items, culminating in his restriction from [[eBay]] on 16 June 2019.

Chris' Patreon was shut down in [[August 2021]] after he was [[Jail Saga#Arrest|arrested]] for [[Affair with Mother|incest]].

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===Financhu Crisis Saga (''12 April 2016 - Present'')===
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Coined by the members of the [[Kiwi Farms]], this saga began when Chris released [[Please, Donate|a video]] asking for donations in exchange for gifts. Then, he cut out the gifts, and when his Etsy shop was closed, resorted to straight begging, [[Women Only Need Apply - No STD's|prostitution]], and [[By random request; I still need money, please|video]] [[Update 20160718|requests]]; all while continuing to buy over $1,000 worth of toys and only selling [[Update 20160718|'''THREE POKÉMON CARDS''']] at this saga's beginning, and putting various worthless junk on eBay for exorbitant prices. Chris was eventually able to sell the [[Sonic Totem|Sonic totem]] for $1500 only to [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04142017|immediately admit to wasting the profits]] on toys and a [[$400 gold necklace]] to replace one Barb previously pawned; a selfish act that shows the full extent of Chris and Barb's financial incompetency. His begging also goes to the point of [[August 2016 Facebook posts#Who wants to pay our mortgage?!|asking on Facebook]] for someone to pay his mortgage. This also shows Chris's [[ego]], since he [[Announcement 06292016|treats his monetary problems that he caused as a charity]].

In June 2017, Chris began to take his Patreon more seriously by actually working on the Sonichu comic; as a result, his Patreon earnings skyrocketed to hundreds of dollars per month and mitigated his desire to beg for money. As a result, Chris stopped begging in July. However, he remained deeply in debt and showed no signs of developing greater financial responsibility.

In late 2017 and early 2018 work on ''Sonichu'' slowed, as did Chris's Patreon donations. Around this time, Chris later claimed he needed to cover an unknown but essential large expenditure which he refuses to discuss in detail. As a result, Chris resumed begging and selling items on eBay with greater intensity than ever, peaking in early May when he made [[WE NEED MONEY FOR MORTGAGE NOW, PLEASE|a trilogy of panicked videos]] revealing that a mortgage payment on [[14 Branchland Court]] was due soon and that the unknown expenditure had left him and Barb unable to cover it. Though Chris was saved by an influx of donations and eBay sales, the Chandlers' financial situation evidently remains more desperate than ever.

===Roleplaying Saga (''August 2017 - Present'')===
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As a maladaptive coping mechanism against the bleakness of his [[reality]], Chris's belief in imaginary friends and magical thinking drastically increased, one example of him dancing with [[Magi-Chan]] at the 2017 [[BronyCon]]. After the [[Idea Guys]], the [[Teen Troon Squad]], [[Jacob Sockness]] and [[other enablers|other successive enablers]] further fueled his fantasies by validating them, Chris retreated even more into his fantasy world. It was once again re-enforced by the [[COVID-19]] pandemic due to the fact that it cancelled all the conventions Chris was planning to attend in [[2020]].

On 19 September 2021, Chris wrote a letter in jail, where he declares himself as Jesus of Nazareth.

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===Dimensional Merge (''14 October 2018 - 3 August 2021'')===
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Due to the influence of the Idea Guys and Teen Troon Squad, ideas of a dimensional merge began to manifest within Chris. This came to a head in [[October 2018]], when Chris uploaded a video where he announced that our dimension will soon merge with another. He has revised the deadline for this prophecy several times. This was followed by several months of him droning about it on Twitter, even during his Soft Exile (described below). Various weens, including [[Sarah and Steve]], would circumvent new Twitter restrictions through physical mail or other channels, seeking to encourage him further; in [[April 2019]] things went to a new level when [[Future message from Crystal W Chandler|a video]] was posted of a masked man reading a letter supposedly from a time-traveling [[Reginald Chandler]] announcing the merge.

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==Pre-Christory (''[[Birthday|24 February 1982]] - June 2000'')==

The world at large discovered Christian Weston Chandler on 27 October 2007. Before this time, we have only a scanty record to the details of Chris's life. For the early Noughties, the earlier ''Sonichu'' comics (especially [[Sonichu 4]]) are a substantial, if biased, record of notable events; Chris has supplemented this with several other records, including his [[diary]], and some videos from the time (such as his 2004 Christmas) have been leaked. For the twentieth century, which includes all of Chris's childhood and [[honor roll|high school years]], our records are much sparser. Some content, such as [[Manchester High Leaks|some school papers]] and [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes|television footage]], have been unearthed, though much remains unknown or dubious. Indeed, much of our knowledge of Chris's childhood comes from later accounts by Chris. However, Chris's childhood is what made him the manchild he is today, so we must discuss it when discussing him.

===Early Childhood Saga (''24 February 1982 - 1991'')===
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Christopher Weston Chandler was brought into the world on 24 February 1982. He would allegedly speak his first word 'Monkey' only a month after his birth. Sadly, his speech would be stunted by his [[abusive babysitter]], who is either named 'Roche' or 'Roach'. At the age of 18 months old, Roche would lock him in a room filled with toys because she was angry at him. This would traumatize Chris so much that he would turn mute, and completely refuse to talk save for screeching and screaming.

While mute, Chris would forge a friendship with a girl named [[Sarah Hammer]], who would become his first female friend. However, there is evidence that Sarah served more as a bully, playing cruel pranks on him such as locking him in her cellar after convincing him Casper the Friendly Ghost was hiding in there.

His parents would send him to [[James Madison University]], where he was trained by a speech therapist to talk. There he would meet [[Joshua Martinez]], a boy who was sent there for his heavy [[Spanish]] accent. He would become Chris's first male friend.

Chris would start speaking after being given a GoBot by [[Barb|his mother]], as he would start reading out the packaging

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===Nathanael Greene Saga (''1991'')===
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In 1991, Chris would start going to Nathanael Greene Elementary School. While there, Chris would be abused by [[Bruce Johnson]] and [[Mrs. Gaede]], who would both pin him to the ground and record his screams. Johnson additionally made Chris sit on his lap and said offensive things to him, supposedly causing his hatred of [[Gays]].

As Chris and his parents are known to be almost pathological [[Lie|liars]], it is unknown if this is an accurate retelling of events. Nonetheless, [[Bob]] would pull Chris out of the school and take the matter of court, though no action would be taken.

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===Bearstein Saga (''1992 – 1995'')===
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After leaving [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]], [[Bob]] homeschooled Chris for [[1992]]. During this year, Chris and Bob would attend ''The Leonard Bearstein Symphony Orchestra'', which they both enjoyed. This would lead to an event in December, when the bear would ask for Christopher's name, which he would mishear as '''Christian'''. Chris would take this as a sign from [[God]], and Bob would agree to legally change his name to Christian.

In 1993, Chris would start attending [[Providence Middle School]], and his encounter with the bear would bless those years of his life. He would have [[Virginia Jeanine Sanford]] as a teacher, who he would later call the most influential person in his life. In the same year, he would enter the [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes]], and in [[1994]], he had won the competition, leading to [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes#Video|the first-ever video recording of Chris]].

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===High School Saga (''August 1996-June 2000'')===
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In many senses, Chris peaked in high school. He holds his high school memories and gal-pals dear to his heart. From a positive view, he had his [[gal pal]]s, [[honor roll]], and job as a <s>water boy</s> basketball team manager, and he produced a high volume of [[art]], which included [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] himself. On the flip side, he got an [[Song of Christian|F in English]] and had to ride on the short bus. Graduation was especially painful when he didn't win a not-so-prestigious best artist award.

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==Early Adult Chronicles (''June 2000 – 27 October 2007'')==

Chris came of age in 2000, a time of many transitions. Once he graduated from [[Manchester High]], he was no longer in the safe, regimented world of compulsory education. No more guaranteed or arranged friendships, and the kid gloves have come off. Colleges are also stricter when setting student accommodations, and professors don't always have time for special arrangements. Additionally, Chris got a taste of the real world at [[Wendy's]], which fired him for [[Donald Duck impersonation|multiple]] [[Cousin Al#Bowling Outing|reasons]].

The little boy who [[Sonic the Hedgehog Watch & Win Sweepstakes|was once doing so well]] now had to make his life work outside of school. Of course, some programs can help autistic folks find work, but Chris figured that was too [[stress]]ful. Instead, he took the easy route with help from [[Bob]]: he applied for [[Monthly tugboat|social security disability checks]]. While fellow students had to balance their schedules with jobs, Chris had all the time in the world to focus on school. After graduating, his whole life became free time. Without a job, Chris had little motivation to get his life together.

While scarcer than in modern times, records for this period are much more substantial than those of Chris's childhood. Even without external provocation or influence, the events of this period, including the Love Quest and the first ''Sonichu'' [[comic]]s, were enough to make Chris an Internet legend and would lay the foundation for everything yet to come.

===PVCC Saga (''September 2000 - May 2006'')===
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From [[2000]] to [[2006]], Chris attended Piedmont Virginia Community College, a local community college, to obtain a degree in [[Computer-Aided Drafting and Design]]. It took him five years of [[Chris's education|schooling]] to complete an ostensibly two-year degree, and this time in his life was not without drama. His 21st birthday in [[2003]] marked the beginning of the [[Love Quest]]. Chris would go around campus carrying a [[sign]] showing his demands for an ideal partner. [[Mary Lee Walsh]], a dean at [[Private Villa of Corrupted Citizens|PVCC]], confiscated the signs. He retaliated by making more; he even printed some out to put around campus walls. Chris eventually confronted Walsh, who [[banned]] him from PVCC for a year. Chris had to receive a [[autism papers|psychological evaluation]] to be allowed back on campus, and he began using the sign in other locations. Chris immortalized Walsh as a cartoon villain in [[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]].

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=== GAMe PLACe Saga (''2002 - October 2011'')===
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Currently the second-longest saga in Christory. For a long time, Chris had been visiting The GAMe PLACe on a regular basis. It was here that Chris would meet Megan herself, as well as [[Lucas]] and [[Mimms]], two people who would deliver a number of intel over Chris during his time there. He also participated in the ''[[Pokemon TCG]]'' League, using his own poorly made decks. However, Chris was a pain in the ass to store manager [[Michael Snyder]], and by August 2008, tired of Chris terrorizing various [[niggos|patrons]], yelling at children, bogarting the TV and being an all-round pain, Michael would finally ban Chris from the store, embarrassing him and his mother in the process. It wouldn't be the end, however.

On multiple occasions, Chris returned to the store despite Michael's insistence that he never come back. He tried emails, sneaking in, and [[Apology to Game & Hobby Place|pleading]] on [[YouTube]], but nothing worked. The first time he attempted (unsuccessfully, of course) to lift his ban in person was with a prepared, [[Chris and remorse|faux-apologetic speech]]. When that failed, he stormed out angrily and called Michael a [[Chris and race|JEW]], then attempted to rally his "fanbase" and get them [[Michael Snyder is ColdHearted and Mean|to troll him]]. [[6 June 2010|The next occasion]] was much more disturbing. He claimed he was trying to take a picture of Michael [[CWC is Angry|to shoot at]], but was caught in the act and was chased in the parking lot. Nearly running over Michael and his daughter, eventually the [[Jerkops]] got involved, but they did not arrest him. Michael accused him of trying to take [[pedofork|pictures of his daughter]]. Whether it's true or not, it's [[Kacey|confirmed]] that Chris has stalker tendencies.

The saga was revived in October 2011, when Chris and [[Barb|his mother]] visited the GAMe PLACe, and [[28 October 2011|an incident occurred]]. Exact details of events remain unknown, but charges such as assaulting a law enforcement official and property damage of more than $1000 were brought. Barbara was sentenced to community service and two years of probation. Chris was sentenced to community service, one year of probation, and mandatory [[Chris and Reality|psychiatric]] treatment and evaluation. They also had to pay Michael Snyder's medical expenses.

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===Megan Saga (''Summer 2005 - April 2008'')===
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From 2005 to 21 April 2008, this told the story of Chris and his longest and closest relationship with a girl, Megan Schroeder, leading into Chris's first encounter with [[Encyclopedia Dramatica]] and Megan discovering the depths of Chris's madness. It began with a chance meeting at a ''[[Pokémon]] TCG'' League meeting at [[The GAMe PLACe]], which progressed into inappropriate touching and ended with shocking [[ShecameforCWC.JPG|hand-drawn pornography]] that was an embarrassment for all parties involved... excluding Chris. The saga would end when Megan told Chris [[Megan emails, 2008#Megan can't trust Chris anymore|she could no longer trust him]]. Nonetheless, Chris has refused to let her go, and his useless attempts at making amends have stretched all the way to ''2018'' (for reference, that's a ''decade'' since Megan cut off ties with him).

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===Stackhouse Saga (''June - 4 August 2007'')===
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In June 2007, Chris entered and attempted to win a [[Chop Chop Master Onion's Rap Showdown|contest]] to win Megan's heart (more or less her china too), only to be beaten by a much superior entry made by one Adam Stackhouse. The saga resulted in [[CWC is Angry|madman]]-style threats and several angry e-mails and posts to contest organizers. Chris would rage for quite some time before deciding enough was enough. This was also the last time an unsuspecting member of the public inadvertently caused a saga. From then on, [[trolls]] would control the content.

Over a decade after the Saga concluded, Chris finally made peace with Stackhouse after the latter made a surprise appearance in the audience for [[MAGfest#The Christory of Sonichu panel|Chris's panel]] at [[MAGfest]] 2018.

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==Classic Chris Era (''27 October 2007 to 20 March 2010'')==

The era that most associate with Chris. The mists of antiquity begin to fade on 27 October 2007, when an unrelated thread on the ''Something Awful'' forums was derailed by someone mentioning seeing our epic cycle's hero in the flesh.

===ED Saga (''November 2007 - 14 April 2011'')===
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In November 2007, trolls would discover Chris and create a page about him on Encyclopedia Dramatica. Chris would initially think that they just got his information wrong, but as time would go on, Chris would reveal the true depths of his insanity, in the process destroying his friendship with Megan Schroeder and becoming the epic lolcow we know him to be. Were it not for this article showing how susceptible he was to trolling and how [[Autism|divinely autistic]] he could be, Chris may have just been another dumbass with no life, and probably would have been more or less forgotten by now. To this day, ED remains a thorn in his side which he must constantly address to those new to his life. Further to this, he still maintains they are out to do him harm, although the site has long since fallen out of relevance in Chris's life, replaced with outlets such as the [[Kiwi Farms]].

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===Blanca Saga (''August - 21 October 2008'')===
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Around August 2008, Chris would meet Blanca Weiss, making her his first Internet sweetheart. Aside from being the first sweetheart, she also proved how [[Captain's Log, Stardate September 13th, 2008|tenacious and strange]] Chris could be about relationships, revealing several [[Captain's Log, Stardate October 9th, 2008|quirks and oddities that he felt were somehow appropriate to mention]] to someone he believed loved him. It also showed how useless any [[white knight]]ing efforts could be. In the span of two months, Blanca (actually three trolls working in tandem) would release the infamous pictures of Chris naked, then obtain Chris's [[medallions]] and film a video of them cutting one up and [[Fire|setting it ablaze]].

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===Jimmy Hill Saga (''Mid-2008/Late 2008'')===
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At the same time Chris was dealing with Blanca, he was hit with another troll attack as he was led to believe that a man known as Jimmy Hill was using the Sonichu name and character to make money off of him in Europe. The thought of someone making money from his true and original creation led him to [[Captain's Log, Stardate Columbus Day, 2008|stress out and provide proof]] of the [[Copyright|infringement]]. Those attacks would end around the same time the Blanca Saga ended.

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===Clyde Cash Saga ''(December 2008 - Mid-2010)''===
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In 2008, Chris encountered a new troll named Clyde Cash, who went on a months-long trolling spree to get back at the autistic wonder for supposedly causing his [[Ryan Cash|brother's suicide]]. The saga would result in the revelation of a [[The Miscreants|top secret organization]] hellbent on preventing the manchild from losing his virginity. It only ended with the apparent death of its creator.

However, in [[September 2009]] Chris resumed his war against Clyde Cash after discovering that he and another supposed troll, [[Gregg Mays]], were one and the same person. In the process, he made numerous videos attempting to blackmail the man, going so far as to mock a [[Twin Falling Towers|national tragedy]].

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===PandaHalo Saga (''Mid-2008/Late 2008 - February 2009'')===
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When Chris realized Blanca was a troll, he would move on to PandaHalo as his new sweetheart. The saga came to a quick and abrupt end when he found out that she was supposedly found to be bearing the child of Clyde Cash, conceived through rape. Unsurprisingly, the ever-gullible Chris would quickly abandon Panda and she would (presumably) die in the Australian [[Brushfire Video|brushfires]], despite living miles away from the incident; question remains as to whether she really died in this event, or was actually working in tandem with Clyde, their relationship being consensual after all. She would end up giving trolls the [[Scrapbook of Fail]] and [[Slideshow]].

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===Miyamoto Saga (''January - 10 February 2009'')===
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In the beginning of January 2009, Chris would be confronted by a troll posing as [[Nintendo]] developer [[Shigeru Miyamoto]], claiming he would attempt to try to make his ''Sonichu'' game fantasy a reality. Unfortunately, Chris proved to be nothing more than a couch potato, and his ineptitude resulted in horrible delays and stalls to the project's advancement. In the end, "[[Reggie Fils-Aimé]]" shut down the entire project with a scathing letter. This trolling encounter would have Chris give trolls a PowerPoint project that talked in great length about [[Chris and his ego|himself]]...and very little about his game.

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===Julie Saga (''February - March 2009'')===
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Arguably ''the'' most divisive and controversial out of Chris's trolls until the [[Idea Guys]]. In February 2009 to early March 2009, Chris's latest sweetheart would be Julie, who was in actuality a 13-year-old troll named [[BlueSpike]]. In this brief timeframe, BlueSpike would release the infamous [[sex tape]] and then torture Chris in many ways in the infamous [[Julie Reveals Herself]] chat, where he forced Chris to declare [[BILLY MAYS]] mayor of [[CWCville]] and destroy his second medallion by forcing him to shove it up the dumper. BlueSpike's total and utter control over Chris, as well as his arguably abusive ways of trolling him, would lead to a schism between trolls, leading to the creation of the [[PVCC (message board)|PVCC]] and this very wiki. One other less disturbing yet no less fascinating incident that came about as a result of this Saga was the [[Ohio Trip]]; taking place just a week before the infamous reveal, Chris was willing to drive hundreds of miles to Cleveland in the hopes of rescuing Julie from Max and Clyde Cash; needless to say, this has been the furthest he's driven for any Sweetheart, and since then Chris was unwilling to drive significantly shorter distances to meet later potential girlfriends such as [[Kacey]] and [[Jackie]] in the years that followed.

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===PS3 Hacking Saga (''March 3 2009 - 30 August 2010'')===
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After [[Bluespike]]'s vicious abuse of Chris, he was shunned, and kicked out of [[The Miscreants]]. However, many [[trolls]] took inspiration from him hacking into Chris's beloved [[PlayStation Network]] account, and used this as an inspiration for future trolling plans. On 22 [[May 2009]], [[Clyde Cash]] would fake his death and subsequently hack into Chris's PSN account, but he would get outplayed by a greater foe.

During [[July 2009]], [[Jack Thaddeus]] would work with his daughter [[Samantha Thaddeus]] in order to gain access to Chris's PSN Account. Jack made Chris do many things in order to get his account back, including making [[It's UGH!#Video|two]] [[It's UGH!#Remake|videos]] proclaiming his acceptance of [[Homos|gay people]], and a video of him [[Chris humps his PS3|humping his PS3 for 8 minutes straight]].

On 24 [[February 2010]], [[Surfshack Tito]] would hack into Chris's PSN account, and less than a month later he would [[The Wallflower|steal his girl]].

On 3 [[May 2010]], Chris would find [[PS3/How the PS3 is Hacked|an article]] on the [[CWCki]], detailing how [[Clyde]] had placed a bugging device in his PS3, [[I Pimp My Ride|leading him to rip off the wifi antenna]]. On the same day, he would go undercover as a 14-year old troll named '[[JenkinsJinkies]]', where he would be invited to a secret trolling forum called [[Trollin Train]].

On the forum was a list of bounties, including a $9000 reward for anyone who could destroy Chris's PS3. Chris decided to claim the bounty, and recorded a video of him [[The MovingFoward videos|hitting it with a brick, running it over with his car, and then stabbing it with scissors]]. Unfortunately for him, [[Tito]] gave the reward to [[Liquid Chris]], under the belief he was the TRUE and HONEST CWC. And so Chris was left with no money and no PS3...until he bought a new one a few days later.

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===Emily Saga (''March 2009 - 4 October 2010'')===
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A troll, known online as 'LoveYouLongTime' would start interacting with [[Chris]] after he broke up with [[Julie]], under the name '[[Emily]]'. They quickly starting dating, and would meet up [[Date with Emily|in a now infamous date]], where a [[Man in the Pickle Suit|man wearing a pickle costume]] would walk up and steal her away from him. She would later announce in a [[Hooker incident#Post-date call|phone call]] that she had broken up with Chris, had sex with the pickle man, and was living with [[Clyde Cash]].

She would continue interacting with Chris, under the name '[[Kim Wilson]]'. Despite Kim and Chris meeting up multiple times, he had no idea she was [[Emily]], due to his [[facial blindness]]. During her tenure as Kim, she would take Chris to a bar [[Chris's Big Night Out|two]] [[Chris's Big Night Out II|times]] and introduce him to [[Magical Man]]. She would continue talking with Chris all the way until [[2018]], though her last major interaction was when he told her [[PVCC NEW info: on Chris and Barbara spoon eachother!|that he spooned regularly]] with [[Barb]]

She's also met up with him pretending to be multiple other women, though none of these interactions are known.

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===Ivy Saga (''March - July 2009'')===
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In March 2009, a girl named Ivy decided to impress a friend by asking Chris for a video shout-out. She didn't know what would come later; his crush towards her would lead him to create 3 special comics and two music videos, a practical spurt of work that wouldn't be surpassed for awhile. The saga also revealed Chris at his [[I am devoted to My Sweetest Ivy|creepiest]] [[CWC's Message for Ivy|yet]], scarring many trolls and Christorians, but also provided an incredibly important resource for the latter in showing Chris's [[Heart Level]] at perhaps the strongest it had been since 2007, at least for a time. The saga also resulted in a [[CWC's ¨It's All Coming Back To Me¨|proposal of marriage]]. Despite the work spurt, the saga would come to an abrupt end thanks to a combination of troll interference from [[Joshua Martinez]] and interference from [[Bob Chandler]] and [[Rocky Shoemaker]], leading to Ivy's (fabricated) suicide.

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===Vanessa Saga (''April - May 2009'')===
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In [[April 2009]], troll and fellow [[James Madison University|speech therapy]] attendee [[Joshua Martinez]] succeeded in getting Chris to believe that the ''High School Musical'' actress and pop star [[Vanessa Hudgens]] was in contact with him, through Joshua's AIM, in retaliation for Chris's horrible attempt at getting [[Encyclopedia Dramatica|ED]] to [[Vanessa Saga#Email to Joshua|troll him]] like Chris, himself, had been trolled. Chris would create videos to show that he was movie-star material, going so far as to [[Matthew 5:27, CWC Confessions|cheat]] on his current [[troll|true and honest]] [[Ivy|sweetheart]]. Predictably, [[Chris and reality|he wasn't]] exactly the type Vanessa was looking for.

This [[Vanessa Saga|saga]] goes to show that even the most gullible of things can get by Chris, even when the perceived truth is a [[Weening|horrible]] [[Autism|excuse]] of ammunition against the poor manchild, which just shows how desperate he may be for [[Love Quest|romantic attention]].

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===CWCipedia Saga (''4 May 2009 – 26 June 2010'')===
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In early June 2009, Chris was given his own wiki to upload his comics and blog about his personal life, safe from the trolls who instantly dive at his other web pages and hack them. It doubled as a source for the [[CWCki]] to draw many of Chris's latest failures from, making it his best friend and his worst enemy.

On 19 [[November 2009]], perhaps one of the greatest features the wiki introduced was the [[Mailbag]], in which a dump of all [[fan]] e-mails sent to the admin's address could be answered by Chris, for all to see. This feature provided insight into how Chris responds to trolls through e-mail about his views on, for example, homosexuality, GodJesus, autism, etc.

After 23 November 2009, advertisements linking to porn sites, gay rights organizations, information on Asperger's syndrome, and the [[Asperchu|Asperpedia]] took residence on the CWCipedia, paid for by trolls. Eventually, Alec, the creator of Asperchu, paid Jack Thaddeus to replace most, if not all, of the ads with ads for Asperpedia. Chris had [[Address to my Cwcipedia SysOp|complained]] [[ChrisChanSonichu and WikiSysop correspondence|repeatedly]] to the SysOp of the Wiki about these ads, which would have paid for the site until the end of 2010, pending negotiations.<ref>http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=User_talk:ChrisChanSonichu</ref> All of this had "stressed" Chris out to the point of uploading videos of himself screaming [[death threats]] upon the advertisers' heads, and creating a separate, stress-free, ad-free front page.

This saga would lead to the site being shut down twice in a row, both due to copyright infringement, and would lead to the death of [[Simonla Rosechu]] in the most humiliating way - death by exploding toilet.

The Asperpedia team would continue to vandalize and hijack CWCipedia in a variety of ways until it finally collapsed in May, and Chris finally abandoned the site after already making numerous claims that he'd quit the Internet forever. After Mao moved in to fill the void, he passed ownership to [[Alec Benson Leary|Alec]] and [[Vivian Gee]], wherein they took over the site and the rights to Sonichu to begin ''Sonichu'' Season 2, where ultimately, on 26 [[June 2010]], the entire site would be terminated along with the entirety of the original 110mb server.

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===Liquid Chris Saga (''21 June - 10 November 2009'')===
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In July 2009, Chris came up with a plan to try getting the trolls off his back. He [[Rollin' and Trollin'|faked a revelation]] that he was apparently a troll himself who is the complete opposite of Chris in real life. Along then came the TRUE and HONEST Christian Weston Chandler, which got the other Chris (at this point nicknamed [[Ian Brandon Anderson]] and Solid Chris) really pent up with rage. Ian would challenge Chris to a sing-off, with the TRUE and HONEST CWC proving himself the victor in the end. The appearance of this other Chris would pressure the other into churning out more comics than he had before, currently heading for the completion of [[Sonichu 9|''Sonichu'' #9]], something that many believed would never happen due to the interference of many trolls.

Later, Liquid would return to continue on his quest to get rid of this faker. In the process of this new entry to the saga, Ian and Chris would battle over the heart of Chris's true love, [[Kacey]]. In the end, after a [[Kacey calls|long]] [[Father Call|series]] [[Kacey and Liquid Call|of]] [[The End for Real|calls]] that proved Ian to be unworthy of her love, the real Chris would win out and marry Kacey. Liquid's YouTube account would eventually close on 27 July 2011.

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===Asperchu Saga (''November 2009 - 10 January 2012'')===
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In late November 2009, an artist named [[Alec Benson Leary]] started a new series called ''Asperchu'', starring the titular Electric Hedgehog Pokemon. Chris had spent most of December ignoring ''Asperchu'' and its popularity before finally exploding with rage, claiming the series as nothing more than fanfiction and a parody. The popularity of ''Asperchu'', combined with Chris's continuing downward spiral that is [[Sonichu 10|''Sonichu'' #10]], led many of Chris's fans to abandon ''Sonichu'' and go to ''Asperchu''.

Most of the saga has been spent with Chris raging at not just Alec, but also [[Evan]], Sean, and Asperpedia admin Mao over their usage of their characters and how they mock him. As well, Chris has been dealing with Evan over the usage of Simonla Rosechu, with Chris going so far as to deny reality and substitute it with his own.

In terms of productivity, it has given us ''Sonichu'' #10, which showcases Chris going all out in trying to get rid of everything he hates, including homosexuality and trolls. In that same book, Chris kills all four trolls involved in this saga as retaliation for making him kill Simonla Rosechu. Also, [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Calls|nine phone calls]] have been leaked. These phone calls show Alec attempting to get through to Chris and his way of thinking and Chris fighting tooth and nail not to change at all.

In the aftermath of the saga, Evan ceased his ''Simonchu'' comic, proud to have Simonla removed, Alec and Sean continued their respective comics, and Mao continues to poke and jab at Chris. And while the saga had for the most part died down, Asperpedia continued to harass its rival CWCipedia, either by placing new ads, vandalizing it, or shutting it down altogether. One of the post-trial ads even precipitated Chris's falling out with [[Jackie e-mails|Jackie]].

Alec Benson Leary would later be [[Calling Out "Alec Benson Leary" - Christopher|called out]] by Chris in 2011, and his identity was "revealed" as Christopher Paul Whitney, followed by Chris [[Chris and health|sloppily devouring a cheap microwavable pizza]]. This later turned out to be fake as months later, the ''real'' Christopher Paul Whitney made a response to Chris and essentially confirmed he was not Alec.

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===Tito Saga (''January 2010 - 10 August 2011'')===
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Sometime in January 2010, Chris met and fell in love with [[The Wallflower]], hoping she would be the one who'd end his streak of being a [[virgin with rage]]. On 9 March 2010, Chris would release a ''[[LittleBigPlanet]]'' video of a stage based off a book he was helping write with his gal-pal... and release her name in the process. Dedicated trolls used the information to discover the gal-pal's identity, but decided to let the lulz spread naturally. The next day, however, a troll revealed the information to the gal-pal, and while one set of lulz was stopped, another one was set into motion.

The troll, calling himself Surfshack Tito, claimed responsibility for not only hacking his PSN accounts for the umpteenth time, but also stealing The Wallflower from Chris. Chris, in response, threatened to go all out and seemingly try to murder Tito, threatening him with a [[pocket knife]], attacking him with [[Chris Drops the N-Bomb|racial slurs]], and [[Tito Got No Luck Against We Brits, Irish and Scots!|flashing his underwear while wearing a Scottish kilt]]. At the same time, Chris discovered and declared war on the CWCki, demanding that all pages involving himself, his friends and family be altered to suit his needs. To put it bluntly, Chris's attack on the CWCki fell utterly short.

The creativity here has been utterly stunted, especially after The Wallflower left him. He has gone on to blame his fans for wanting him to make more comics and compared them to the trolls that have tormented him. He has also vowed to leave the Internet forever, though he ended up reshowing his face 36 hours after his vow...

Tito was a major player in getting Chris to [[The MovingForward videos|destroy his PS3 for a fake bounty]]. Chris and Tito planned to meet up at a Starbucks where a [[pickleman]] would give him the money, but despite [[Clyde and Tito PS3 E-mails#Waiting for $9001|waiting]] Tito would never show up. Tito later explained this was because he gave the money to [[Liquid Chris]]

Echoes of this saga would be eventually heard in [[August 2011]] when, after announcing his glorious comeback to the Internet, Chris claimed to have discovered the true identity of Tito and tried to blackmail him using this information. Tito eventually [[Calling Out "Tito" - Don#Tito's official response|gave in]] to his demands on 9 August, which Chris [[Re: Don, and ReCalling Out "Thorg" - Jeremy|later acknowledged and accepted]].

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==Dark Ages (''20 March 2010 to 3 September 2014'')==

Though [[The Miscreants|the Miscreants]] could collectively keep Chris on edge for well over a year, it was inevitable that the archetypical lolcow would someday cease to give milk. His seeking out the Wallflower and then Jackie in person, instead of believing every self-declared boyfriend-free girl who caught his fancy online, was an early sign of the changing atmosphere: Chris's ill-fated attempt to seduce her marked a shift from focusing on on-line to real-world affairs. Information on Chris's life would increasingly need to be sought through [[Flipnote Hatena]], in-person encounters and other sources beside the Internet; [[Chris and cinematography|traditional videos]] became less frequent. Occasional [[muscle bra|transvestitism]] would soon become [[tomgirl|permanent]] as Chris began to leave his old identity behind him. Surprisingly, Chris would come to abstain even from his traditional [[Love Quest|pursuit of women]] and put the [[Sonichu (comic)|''Sonichu'' comic]] on indefinite hiatus.

All sagas during this period are of this early transitional phase: [[Bob Chandler]]'s death in late [[2011]] drew a veil over Chris's affairs for the next several years. Direct records from Chris during this time are nearly exclusively found on [[Facebook]]; for a time, it appeared that Chris had learnt from his many years of abuse at the Internet's hands and was finally keeping a low profile. We are again dependent mostly on third-party sources for events such as [[28 October 2011|Snyder's near-death at Chris's hands]], the resulting [[Chris and the law|conviction]] and the [[2014 house fire]] in the following years. Organic CWC-generated activity would not re-emerge until mid-[[2014]], proving that he had, in fact, [[honor roll|learnt nothing]] from past events.

===First Exile (''20 March 2010 - 29 August 2010'')===
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After Chris lost the Wallflower and fought with Surfshack Tito, an outside force attempted to push Chris away from the Internet. No less than five times, Chris has boldly claimed that he has abandoned the Internet and smugly told his detractors that they should go outside and live their lives, advice Chris should have followed ''years'' ago. However, Chris still latched onto the Internet as much as he could, trying to find ways to sneak in without the force discovering him.

During this period he started a relationship with a girl named [[Jacklyn Romy]], and infiltrated the [[Trollin Train|inner circle of trolls]] using his persona '[[JenkinsJinkies]]'.

Trolls would end up discovering Chris dancing like a dying turkey at [[Fridays After Five]], then discover that he had set up shop at [[Flipnote Hatena]], where he tried to spread his sick and twisted thoughts to younger, innocent people before being shut down several times. However, the thing that would finally bring Chris back to the Internet and end his exile would be [[The MovingForward videos|the destruction of his beloved Life Upgrade]]. At his own hands, no less!

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===Jackie Saga (''5 April - 26 November 2010; 7 December 2010 - May 2012'')===
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Following the Wallflower incident's fallout, Chris pulled himself away from the Internet, only for him to meet and begin conversing to a woman named Jackie. Meeting her at [[The Hook Cafe]], the two began conversing through [[Jackie Emails|e-mails]], revealing the rationale in Chris's attempts to get back into The GAMe PLACe and showing [[For J-R's Eyes Only.MOV|he's still incredibly disturbing]]. However, Chris broke off his relationship with her after she attempted to get him to change his life for the better.

Around [[September 2010]], Jackie and Chris were confirmed to have attempted to try again with a relationship, with Chris creating [[100_2265|even]] [[ECV 00002|more]] [[Pregnant Act|disturbing]] [[Don'tPintheOop|videos]] in the process. A third party--[[Lars]] McNulty, Jackie's ex-boyfriend--stepped in by the end of September, prompting Chris to release several videos attacking his newfound enemy. Video updates became increasingly bizarre, but still occurred regularly until the end of [[October 2010|October]].

By [[November 2010|November]], the leaked correspondence showed that Jackie was getting increasing impatient as Chris kept failing to fulfill her requests, while Chris made up a lot of lame excuses for why he could not deliver on them, all while continuously begging Jackie to have sex with him. On November 26, Jackie would send Chris the latest in a string of e-mails in which she criticized him for his laziness and unwillingness when it came to pay a more active part in relationships, and how he, despite of this, kept begging her for sex. Chris stopped responding at this point, leading many to believe that the Jackie saga had finished.

However, in [[December 2010|December]], Jackie and Chris were in contact again. This would not be known until 2013, where a whole bunch of emails from then to [[September 2011]] were leaked. During this time, Chris came out as a tomgirl to her, while she later got Chris to make a bunch of humiliating videos, including [[Cakefarts]]. These would be leaked in [[February 2012]], leading to Chris unfriending her on Facebook in [[April 2012|April]], though refriending her a month later. She was never heard from again, putting an end to the saga.

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===Calling Out Saga (''6 August - 6 September 2011'')===
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During the beginning of [[August 2011|August]], Chris began to release videos as an attempt to get some sort of [[fangs|reprisal]] and [[Chris and his Ego|apology]] out of the [[trolls#The Few, the Proud, the Elite|trolls]]. Chris warned the trolls that if they didn't meet his [[Chris and negotiation#Calling Out|demands]] on the [[Stress|deadline]] Chris had set for them, then Chris would leak information [[Naïve|that he believed to be true]], even though most believe some of the information to be [[Kimmi|fake]]. This saga is notable for [[Calling Out#Summary|videos]] that showcase Chris's new [[Tomgirl Pictures|Tomgirl]] look, and further set in stone the aformentioned [[Tomgirl Saga]]. Though Chris reached the zenith of the Calling Out Saga on a high, having believed himself to have exiled some of his most prominent rivals from the internet, these series of videos would, however, come to an abrupt [[September 2011#Events|end]] after [[Chris and death#Robert Franklin Chandler Jr. (1927–2011)|tragedy struck the Chandler household]].

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===Second Exile (''6 September 2011 - 9 July 2014'')===
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Unlike the other exiles listed here, the Second CWC Exile came unannounced with the death of his [[Bob Chandler|father]]. Then came [[28 October 2011|October 28]], a day which will live in infamy for Chris. After trespassing and running over [[Michael Snyder]], he and [[Barb]] were arrested. Despite the help of [[Rob Bell]], they were found guilty and were sentenced. Since that day, most, if not all of Chris' internet activity were confined to his [[Facebook]] account, where he would gripe about loneliness and nostalgia. It wasn't until 2013 where he uploaded a new video. Although [[January 2014]] would bring him back to the spotlight briefly due to [[2014 house fire|a house fire]], it wasn't until the Sonic Boom saga where he would return to relevance.
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==Renaissance (''3 September 2014 to 24 October 2017'')==

A combination of events - namely yet another failed online sweetheart, and showing hatred for a ''Sonic the Hedgehog'' reboot so immense that it would eventually get him arrested - would lead to Chris being dragged back into the Internet spotlight.

===Catherine Saga (''9 July - 14 December 2014'')===
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With his newly acquired feminine wiles from his transition to a Tomgirl, Chris managed to attract a sweetheart who would be his first lesbian romance. In the summer of 2014, Chris would reveal he had found a new sweetheart, whose identity he managed to surprisingly conceal for period of time. Later, he would [[I Love You, Catherine|reveal]] that her name was Catherine. Predictably, she turned out to be a troll, who revealed much about Chris having met with him twice. Catherine's associate, [[Cousin Al]], would also meet the two of them at Applebee's, to which Chris would invite both of them to the charred remains of his house following a fire. From there, Al would collect several of Chris's old Manchester High assignments.

According to Catherine, his [[Catherine#The Date|behavior had not improved]] since the sexual harassment in the early days of the Megan Saga, and neither had the Chandlers's [[Rental House|comprehension of basic sanitation]]. In addition to Catherine's observation on her personal encounters, Chris also announced he had got a piercing on his [[Un-clit|perineum]], meaning this Saga provides some more detail on Chris's disturbing new features as a Tomgirl.

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===Sonic Boom Saga (''3 September 2014 - 7 December 2015'')===
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This Saga began with Chris grumbling on [[Facebook]] about the announcement of the latest [[Sonic]] game, ''[[Sonic Boom]]''. Chris wasn't alone in his discontent; many of his Facebook friends expressed disapproval about the deteriorating quality of the Sonic games. What made Chris unique in his irritation, is that the fact that Chris only took umbrage at the fact that the color of Sonic's arms had been changed from tan to blue.

This baffled most of his white knights, with [[William Elliott Waterman]] trying to explain just how ludicrous Chris's demands to Sega to revert back to blue were, especially considering ''Sonic Boom'' was not part of the ''Sonic'' canon. The fact that Sega had no control in the design of Sonic's arms did not deter him and, thanks to his white knights who unwaveringly encouraged him, he began to protest. Initially, his protest against the "Blue-Armed Bandit" took the form of Facebook boycott groups, petitions, and [[Death Threats|angry messages]] on Sega Facebook pages.

On [[26 December 2014|Boxing Day]], however, this Saga came into bloom, culminating in Chris's second pending court case. Despite warnings from even his most loyal white knights, Chris had decided to take it upon himself to bring the protest into the real world. He went into his local GameStops and vandalized the display cases, including stores he had [[List of places that have banned Chris|previously been banned from]]. It was during his visit to one of these stores that had banned Chris that resulted in his arrest on Boxing Day. Chris had been seen and asked to leave by the [[manajerks|management]]. After initially ignoring their requests he made his way towards the exit and, whilst on the way out, maced an employee, who hadn't been involved in his removal. As a result, Chris spent the weekend in jail, only to have Barb bail him out afterwards.

Despite this, he continues to go on a tard rage over Sonic's blue arms, calling out Kengle because he owns a ''comic'' with blue-armed Sonic, sending glitterbombs to Sega, and buying a Sonic Boom doll just to rip its arms off.

Later though, Chris claims victory in the blue arms debacle, due to Sonic the Hedgehog being his non-blue-armed form in ''Mario & Sonic at the Rio 2016 Olympic Games''. He says this is the final update for the group, but only time will tell if he's telling the truth.

Ultimately, after six days in court, Chris was found guilty on 15 October 2015 for the GameStop incident and was fined $541 along with a 180-day probation. Thus, the Blue Arms Saga ends (or has it?). Months later, Chris instructed his fanbase to [[Group Embargo on GameStop, Best Buy, and Simon Shopping Centers|boycott]] local stores which refused his request to be unbanned.

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===Lady Managers Saga (17 November 2015 - July 2016)===
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Between fall 2015 and summer 2016, Chris was in contact with people he vaguelly dubbed his ladyfriends or managers. During this time, he would be trolled by various characters - [[Jeff/Francine]] Ouzos, a thinly-disguised parody and wealthy rival of Chris; [[Sam and Ellen]], a lesbian couple considering Chris as a sperm donor, to whom he showed off his [[Chris's Specimen Sample|frozen sperm collection]]; and [[Johan]], the catalyst for the [[Lesbian Sex Audition]].

This saga saw the return of Chris uploading videos to YouTube after a years-long hiatus.

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===Pmurt Saga (25 September 2016 - 20 January 2017)===
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The saga started with a [[September 2016 Facebook posts#Registered to vote|Facebook comment on 25 September]] in where he decried then Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump for his anti-LGBTQ opinions and misogynistic attitudes, labeling him "Pmurt" in an attempt to spite him. Many found this comment surprising, as Chris has been historically neutral in politics. As the election drew closer, Chris continued to criticize Trump, seemingly oblivious to the irony that any negative trait he could levy was far more applicable to himself. This saga reached its peak when Trump was elected president. During this point, he would make [[Pmurt#2016|death threats to him]]. This culminated in a one-week ban from Facebook.

On Inauguration day, Chris would make [[The United States of America has NO President or Vice President, Whatsoever|one last attack]]. Although Chris still holds negative opinions of Pmurt, he is not nearly as expressive with his vitriol as he was during this saga. Even when Trump was impeached, Chris gave no thoughts on it.

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===Doopie Saga (''7 March - 26 September 2017'')===
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Also coined by the [[Kiwi Farms]], this saga began when Chris [[2017 tweets#Empathizing with BPD|made a tweet]] empathizing with ''Planet Dolan'' animator and artist [https://www.youtube.com/user/DoopieDoOver DoopieDoOver]. He began frequently replying to her tweets, usually with small talk and the occasional sharing of a life experience, or shameless attempts at flirting. The saga's climax began on 1 August, when Chris pledged to Doopie's alternative Patreon account, "Kittenbell", which handles pornographic commissions. The same day, Chris listed her among his [[Gal pals]] on "National Girlfriend Day", only for her to promptly rebuke him.
Afterward, Doopie tweeted about the harassment she was receiving (from Chris), went to the Kiwi Farms, and leaked his private e-mails to her business account. Chris discovered that Doopie had turned on him and desperately followed several of Doopie's friends (including her [[JERKS|boyfriend]]) in an attempt to stay connected. However, he unfollowed most of them when it became clear his plan would not work, while the rest blocked him themselves.

Doopie has not contacted Chris since August 2017; his hopes of building her into a [[sweetheart]] or [[gal pal]] from the ground up, predictably, were in vain. By September, Chris had found a new sweetheart and moved on. Their interactions showed that Chris's immense [[Chris and socialization|social ineptitude]] and creepy behavior have not abated. Doopie inadvertently became the greatest [[Trolls|troll]] Chris faced in many years, [[Heart level|breaking his heart]] and feeding new information to Christorians.

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===Quinn Saga (''7 September - 5 October 2017'')===
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Jessica Quinn, for years a [[white knight]] of Chris, suddenly decided to troll him with the tried-and-true method of [[Sweetheart|pretending to fall in love with him]]. Highlights of the brief saga include pictures and videos of Chris crying over a short breakup, an old-fashioned [[CLog 10042017 - Q&A NO MORE|rage video]] following their final breakup (which he initially blamed on hackers from [[Kiwi Farms]]), and Quinn manipulating Chris into adding fat fetishism to ''Sonichu''. This saga would serve as the transition for the new wave of trolling yet to come for Chris.

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==Transcendental Awakening (''August 2017 to 30 July 2021'')==

After a period of reemergence from Chris, several trolls soon began to notice Chris' deteriorating mental state, and found it the perfect opportunity to troll him again, this time through the tactic of [[enablers|enabling]] his beliefs and brainwashing new ridiculous concepts into him. This all began with [[Joshua Wise]], an anime-obsessed troll who greatly manipulated him for his own personal gain by changing major parts of the canon of his Sonichu comics, coercing him into producing strange videos, and proposing the [[Polyamorous marriage|infamous marriage]] between Chris and a bunch of fictional characters, half of which Chris had already created.

Chris' new motto to [[Chris and kindness|befriend everyone he meets]], even complete strangers, has also made it much easier to manipulate him. Because of this, many other trolls began to follow suit, using some of the same tactics that Wise had used to manipulate Chris with, with very little questioning on his end. Since then, Chris has started to believe himself to be the goddess of an alternate dimension, dubbing himself and all other residents of said dimension as "[[OCs]]".

===Idea Guys Saga (''25 October 2017 - 29 April 2018'')===
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In early November 2017, Chris began blurting out nonsensical stories about [[Sonichu (comic)|his comics]], such as the characters of [[Hyperdimension Neptunia]] invading [[CWCville]], CWCville reacting to the invasion by setting up [[Operation BARBarossa|concentration camps]], and Vladimir Putin being president of the United States in another dimension. He also began making strange videos involving Internet memes and cultural and historical references he clearly did not understand.

It came to light that an anonymous troll, acting as Chris' "idea guy", noted Chris' difficulty distinguishing [[Chris and reality|reality and fiction]] and lack of understanding of history and politics, and began convincing Chris to make bizarre or politically incorrect content. There are signs that the Idea Guy's influence was coercive or deceptive in nature, such as Chris being [[Chris and hypocrisy|shocked]] at his suggestion that Rosechu was [[Homos#Transgenderism|transgender]], and appearing visibly uncomfortable as he performed an "[[CWC-isms#A|anchuent]] [[Cherokee|Cherokean]] chant".

After a calm period in early January, the saga escalated again as Chris made [[Smashing|two]] [[Get Out, You D*** Nazis|bizarre]] videos of ranting about Nazis and smashing his possessions. Possibly as a response, moderators at [[Kiwi Farms]] doxed the Idea Guy troll, revealing his name as Joshua Wise.

Despite that setback, Wise decided to continue being the Idea Guy. His changes to ''Sonichu'' remained canon, with Chris continuing to produce drawings using ideas which Wise had established prior to the dox, and Chris continued to proudly wear the [[Chris and fashion#Gopnik outfit|Gopnik outfit]] which Wise first convinced him to don.

Chris subsequently announced that he was bisexual, and was attracted to [[Chris-Chan Sonichu|his own fursona]] and said he had gotten married to [[Cryzel and Magi-Chan]]. More questionable acts such as Chris [[Dick Licker; that is I|licking pictures of Magi-chan's penis drawn on a wall]] and prostituting himself on Twitter were scripted and executed.

In May 2018, [[The Captain]] discovered what the Idea Guys were doing and rescued Chris from the Idea Guys. He, along with [[Man in the Pickle Suit|Marvin]] and [[Null]], then gathered evidence to submit to law enforcement. As for Chris, he disavowed some ideas given to him by the Idea Guys (though keeping the majority of them, like his make-believe marriage).

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===Prequel Comic Saga (''2 January 2018 - 14 May 2018'')===
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On 2 January 2018, the graphic designer and comic creator [[Bryanfrogboy|Bryan Shickley]] would get the attention of Chris after he had created "Chris Chan: A Prequel Comic". Bryan then soon claimed that he would make merchandise off of the francise, to which Chris approved. During a time when Chris was in financial ruin, which was later worsened after the Idea Guys extorted money from him, the comic, along with the merchandise created by Bryan, would become some of the first things that Chris would promote to help him out of his dire financial situation.

Bryan's comic would also get Chris to reflect on some of his biggest blunders, including SheCameForCWC.jpg, him attemping to run over Michael Snyder, and others.

A highlight of the brief saga includes Chris approaching what appeared to be his first male sweetheart, Bryan himself, as a result of the Idea Guys previously brainwashing him into believing he was bisexual, even writing an erotic gay poem for him. Attempts were made by Bryan's girlfriend to keep Chris away from Bryan. Along with this, gal-pal Tings Tingz would also show feelings for Bryan.

Due to his associations with Chris during the midst of the Idea Guys, Bryan would be accused by onlookers as a possible troll and/or ween, as well as getting attacked by actual weens himself.

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===Guard Dogs (''Summer 2018'')===
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After the events of the Idea Guy saga, it became clear that Chris was dealing with a [[ween]] epidemic. To combat this, Null and The Captain decided to step in and filter Chris's emails and Twitter to prevent trolls from getting through. Null made a thread on Kiwi Farms showing off the intercepted ween messages and even doxing the senders.

According to con attendees, Null seems to have recruited some Kiwi Farms users to follow Chris around [[BronyCon]] in 2018 in order to prevent people from talking to him. If this is true, it's most likely in response to Chris's meltdown at [[TooManyGames]] and Null, not wanting this to happen again, assembled an elite anti-ween task force. The Captain assisted Chris when his car broke down on the way back from BronyCon. More elaborate plans were also implemented, including a plan for a field agent to whisk Chris away to assisted living after his mother passes.

Null and The Captain would also attempt to give Chris advice. In particular, Null encouraged him to talk to his therapist about the Idea Guys, in order to fast-track law enforcement involvement, but Chris was reluctant to do so. Instead, Chris opted to retreat into the ruins of his fantasy world. Eventually, it became clear that Chris had disregarded the precautions set up for him and found a new set of trolls to replace the Idea Guys: the [[Teen Troon Squad]]. Null and The Captain's willingness to help Chris has since diminished, although they remain in proximity to Chris online to document and discuss any goings-on.

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===Teen Troon Squad Saga (''24 April 2018 - 1 January 2019'')===
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The Teen Troon Squad is a group of 18- to 19-year-old FTM trans people who live locally to Chris. They gained influence over Chris upon purchasing his porn artwork on [[eBay]] for $1,000 in April 2018.

After Chris was rescued from the [[Idea Guys]] in May 2018, he continued to hold onto the beliefs they had programmed into him. Although he was encouraged to seek [[Chris and psychology|therapy]], Chris balked at the idea and instead sought out more people to feed his delusional thinking - and got his wish in the form of the Teen Troon Squad; around October of that same year, for the second time in 2018, Chris was trolled by people claiming to be his own fictional characters when the Squad invited Chris over to their house, where they pushed his delusional thinking.

In October 2018 Chris began outlining a supposed 'Dimensional Merge' that would take place at the end of 2018, in which the [[Reality Cartoon|real world]], aka Dimension 1218, and its sister dimension, C197, were to collide and combine in an event of supposedly-apocalyptic proportions. Lukas, a Squad member, has alleged that this was a holdover from the Idea Guys, but implied that the Squad encouraged these beliefs in Chris.

In November 2018, several previously unreleased Idea Guy videos, such as [[All Star]], [[Tour of Chris's House III]], [[Chris slaps himself]], and [[Chris lost Crystal]] began to be leaked on Chris's Twitter.

In late December 2018, the Squad was doxed by an unknown party who logged into Chris's Twitter. One of the Squad members then leaked more documents on /cow/. On 30 December 2018, Chris wrote a Twitter post bashing Lukas, also mentioning that Lukas had wanted him to buy [[alcohol|booze]]. As a result of the spotlight being well and truly shone upon their schemes, the Teen Troon Squad has since retreated into the shadows.

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===G5 Pony Saga (''13 August 2018 - Present'')===
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As the [[2010s]] came to a close, My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic was clearly entering its last days. Since its target audience is school aged children it's a common practice by the more competent animation studios to end those shows before it gets to the point that the kids watching it are younger than the show itself. Afterwards, if said show was part of a franchise, they create a new installment for said franchise. Such a cycle has been happening in My Little Pony since its inception in 1984 and has happened once again. Friendship is Magic ended in [[2019]] with a more light-hearted filler series airing from [[2020]] as a way to tide over the fanbase until the premiere of the new generation, which happened in [[September 2021]] with the release of a movie. The filler series, called MLP: Pony Life struck a major nerve with Chris who holds the belief that Friendship is Magic is meant to have 14 seasons due to delusions rooted in the [[Dimensional Merge]]. This instance, preceded in [[August 2018]] by a panning of the leaked early designs for the G5 ponies were some of the occasional posts of disapproval throughout the close of the decade. For a while it was on Chris' back burner but on 27 [[July 2021]] Chris uploaded a tard rage video demanding that the new My Little Pony generation be cancelled, confirming that Chris holds Sonic Boom-esque feelings towards this. The lulz were subsequently cancelled when Chris admitted to incest.

However, despite his incarceration, this hasn't stopped him from expressing nothing but hatred towards this reboot. Chris had expressed in numberous jail letters about how he believes the reboot has caused major world catastrophes such as the Russo-Ukrainian war.

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===Jacob Saga (''14 July - 28 November 2019; 15 July - 26 August 2020'')===
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Though he had been [[autism|autistically]] obsessed with Chris since around 2018, amateur sorcerer Jacob Sockness only made Chris's acquaintance in [[June 2019]], after an unremarkable troll convinced Chris that Sockness would be interested in buying his filthy bathwater. On 14 [[July 2019]], the two agreed to a closer partnership: Sockness would act as a middleman for Chris's [[2019 Sales Listings|merchandise]], in order to evade Chris's [[eBay#Suspension of Chris's eBay|eBay ban]]. The two would soon abandon this scheme, however, instead deciding to direct their attention to another of their shared interests; [[Chris and religion#Delusions of godhood|pretending to be gods]]. Their mystical and occultist schemes would cross-pollinate, Jacob's extraterrestrial demons wending their way into the [[Dimensional Merge]]'s logistics. The most notable example being the [[Spirit possession#Magi-Chan|Magi-Chan possession]], in which from [[August 2019]] to [[September 2019]], Chris believed that he swapped minds with [[Magi-Chan]] in order to visit [[Jacob Sockness]] so he wouldn't need to actually do so in real life. The period of Magi-Chan roleplaying lasted an entire month. Jacob's antics with Chris was not ignored, as soon, [[Kiwi Farms|onlookers]] would find out about Jacob and dox him, but Sockness would not be deterred by a mere dox; for he had apparently already doxed himself long before meeting Chris, and would boast freely and frequently about how he was misleading Chris for his own ends. [[Slow-in-the-minds|Despite the obvious dangers]], Chris continued to believe Jacob's teachings [[honor roll|at face value]], and encouraged his desire to meet in person. In late [[September 2019]], the situation nearly reached a boiling point when Sockness announced that he had secured a train ticket and was traveling from his home in California to [[Charlottesville]], and threatened that he would [[rape|brutally abuse]] Chris after arriving at [[14 Branchland Court]]. Being understandably alarmed by this, Chris [[Chris and negotiation|demanded]] that Sockness return, and with the help of the [[Watchmen]], arranged for a [[white knight|supporter]] to intercept Sockness in Chicago and provide for him to return to San Francisco. Jacob relented, and the two grew more distant. Sockness would temporarily return to Chris's good side in late [[October 2019]] and early [[November 2019]], yet by the end of that month he would once again be cast aside by Chris.

However, in early 2020, Chris once again started to talk to Jacob, believing in Jacob's supposed [[Magical thinking|occult practices]]. Though it appeared that they were coming close to one another again, Chris's and Sockness's relationship would permanently come to an end in [[August 2020]], after Sockness creepily theorized on [[Twitter]] that [[Mia Hamm]] supposedly bared Chris's illegitimate child after they had sex. Although Jacob would make several other attempts to win Chris's favor over the course of the next few months, all attempts would ultimately be unsuccessful.

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==Rise-N-Fall (''Mid 2018 - 31 July 2021'')==

By mid-2018, with the creation of several [[Chris Chan: A Comprehensive History|documentaries]] pertaining to Chris, a new generation of Christorians had began to form, and awareness of the Chris Chan saga began to rise, further fueled by Chris's expanding fantasy world, partially influenced by webcomic [[Ben Saint]].

In late 2019, a group consisting of [[enablers]] and [[white knights]] was established through [[Discord]] to gatekeep Chris from potential [[trolls]], [[A-Log|A-Logs]], and the aforementioned weens. Much like many other white knights and enablers, they gained Chris's trust by appealing to and indulging in his delusions, specifically ones related to the [[Dimensional Merge]] and [[Hyperdimension Neptunia|CPU Goddesses]]. They eventually named themselves the Watchmen. The group's primary objective was to protect Chris from trolls.

Alongside the Watchmen, another group of enablers called [[Praetor]] had formed, allowing Chris to profit off of his fantasies (though only at a fraction of what they themselves made), the closest he's gotten to a real job. In conjunction to this, Chris was pumping out more drawings on a consistent basis.

As a result of both groups, and Chris's newer business ventures, Chris's life appeared to become more stable, as there was less interference from trolls, he was now consistently making profits due to a growing fanbase, and he had even found a woman who was actually attracted to him. This era marks the calm before the storm, when most of Chris's activity seemed primarily dormant again, and it appeared that things were going much better for him... Until a very dark secret came to light.

===Copitz Saga (''19 May 2018 - December 2019'')===
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On 19 May 2018, the Youtube speedrunner and Twitch user [[Copitz]] had began visiting [[14 Branchland Court]] to record videos of himself with Chris and his friends in several different areas. Some of these videos included ones where Chris was in an abandoned hospital hunting for ghosts, while others had involved several interviews with him.

Copitz would get contacted by [[TheGamerFromMars]], who wanted to get in contact with Chris for his documentary series, [[The Chris Chan Conspiracy]]. Throughout the documentary, there are 8 scenes of Copitz and GFM talking with Chris, in between the meat of the episode, which is a summary of Chris's life. Despite meeting with Chris in [[December 2019]], the documentary would only be released on [[March 2022]].

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===TF2 Analysis Saga (''Late 2018 - 30 October 2020'')===
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In [[January 2019]], a slew of people began to block Chris on Twitter, either due to his own harassment or egging on by weens. This caused Chris, naturally, to rage about it, and eventually to protect his Twitter account. For months, he had shown no signs of budging. All of his tweets during this period consisted of complaining about being blocked, or else his dimensional delusions mentioned above. After protecting his Twitter account, he would greatly reduce his social media activity, and in [[June 2019]] even extended to disabling comments again on his [[June 2019 videos|recent videos]]. This period of time also marked Chris's bizarre adoption of the word "[[My Little Pony|Bugbear]]" (a phrase referring to minor annoyances) and employing it almost everywhere in his wild and unclear rants. After several months, Chris's initial bitterness from the blocks seems to have faded, and he opened his Twitter account for the public again.

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===Secret Shipfic Saga (''16 August 2019 - 31 July 2021'')===
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On 16 August, 2019, Chris began to create trading cards for his Sonichu comics, much like his [[Wall of Originals]] using a template from the My Little Pony parody game ''[[Twilight Sparkle's Secret Shipfic Folder]]''. His most ambitious project in several years, Chris fully embraced the concept, and has seemingly supplanted the ''Sonichu'' comics in favour of the cards as his principal monetary venture. The card game also became Chris's primary means to expand upon the lore of the fantasy world that he has created, and that several trolls from before had provided influence onto. Chris had posted several cards featuring the OCs created by fans and enablers.

[[Ben Saint]] a webcomic artist and creator of the webseires ''Endless War'', had tried to profit off of Chris's infamy by implementing characters from the comic into Sonichu, thereby creating the "Slime Saga". Chris had eventually implemented Ben's characters and ideas into Sonichu in [[Sonichu Special 7]]. However, Ben's attempts at creating a new saga from the ground-up, and promoting his comic, by tinkering with Chris's own comics only proved to be of a very limited success when Chris began ignoring Saint's attempts at provocation by mid-October, and when conflicts of interest had risen between the two creators. Following from this, several white knights and past enablers such as [[Jacob Sockness]] and [[MKRNightVee]] came into the scene in order to regain power over Chris or to justify Chris's actions. When Chris began shifting his focus on his Sonichu comics to the aforementioned card game, Chris had implemented Saint's characters, as well as ideas brought to him by drama surrounding him, and a new wave of [[white knights]] defending Chris's actions, [[enablers]] suggesting new OCs into Chris's now expanding universe, and [[weens|wannabe trolls]] trying to take a piece of Chris's infamy for themselves would show up into the mix.

Chris was able to develop a new fanbase through a series of commissions, and implementing people's [[OCs]] into his canon.

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===Watchmen Saga (''Late 2019 - August 2021'')===
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The Watchmen would gatekeep Chris through means of collecting information, doxing, and harassing anybody attempting to interact or get involved with Chris. The existence of the Watchmen was not publicly known until [[August 2020]], in which they leaked content that they had received from Chris.

The Watchmen would be responsible for and or related to many notable events that took place throughout 2020 and early 2021. Such as removing [[Jacob Sockness]]'s influence over Chris, the previously mentioned [[2020 Discord leaks]], being heavily involved in the [[Discord Q&A]]'s, and having multiple conflicts with members of [[Praetor]].

However, as 2021 continued on, the Watchmen seemingly became less publicly involved with Chris. Things came to a head in [[June 2021]], as internal conflicts among the Watchmen arose, with a member of the group, [[The WCT]], being doxed on the [[Kiwi Farms]] by the leader of the group, [[Naught|Bismuth]]. The WCT then decided to inform Chris of Bismuth doxing him. As a result, Chris recorded a short audio clip saying "Fuck Bismuth!" before leaving [[The Place]], a Discord server run by the Watchmen, while The WCT was being simultaneously banned from it. A few days later, another member of the Watchmen stated on Twitter that Chris had apparently cut contact with her and other Watchmen. This incident effectively ended the most known iteration of the Watchmen.

A new Discord server, entitled [[The Knights of CWC]], was established by [[The WCT]], who invited Chris and several members of the Watchmen. In the meantime, Chris was also set to attend the brony convention [[Everfree Northwest]]. Chris was already in contact with [[Isabella Loretta Janke|Isabella "Bella" Janke]], who was later known for making A-Logging comments and edgy jokes about wanting to harm Chris. Chris was also secretly in contact with [[Fiona]], a young autistic woman who had a genuine crush on him, who had planned to meet him at the convention. Chris invited both Fiona and Bella into WCT's Knights server. Bella had agreed to serve as a bodyguard to protect Chris from [[Jacob Sockness]], who swore to attend the event in disguise. Bella would also agree to serve as Chris's "photographer".

Chris was banned from the Knights of CWC server after [[Jail Saga|his arrest on 1 August 2021]] due to his incestuous behavior with Barbara. When Bella attempted and failed to damage control her name, she would trick the WCT into believing that a set of fabricated texts she made that alleged Chris was having BDSM-style sex with Barb were real, and that Fiona had also owned a copy of these texts of her own. WCT sharing these texts, along with partially revealing Fiona's identity would get him in hot water, and cause many Watchmen members to turn tail.

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===Praetor Saga (''October 2020 - Present'')===
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On October 2020, Chris would be seen in a photo posing with several members of a group refered to as Praetor. This group would sell Chris-related merchandise with his permission. Most of the merchadise that Praetor had sold would have been used as a means for Chris to profit off of his fantasies amist the Financhu Crisis, creating his very own cult. Chris had a sermon regarding the Dimensional Merge at the Goochland Library. Praetor had also created special Golden Medallions which would give customers access to the Golden Church of Sonichu.

By the time Chris had interacted with Praetor, Chris had also gotten in touch with a new sweetheart, Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke, who created an animated intro for him by his request. Bella also acted very nice around Chris, which would cause her to gain much trust from him. However, Bella also displayed notable A-logging elsewhere, claiming that she wanted to get Chris to harm himself or commit suicide, and even claiming that she tried to persuade other Praetor members to convince him to cut his penis off.

Praetor was also a target of the white-knight group, the Watchmen. Most infamously, Praetor promoted the sale of tasers and stun guns on their Etsy page to simulate "zapping to the extreme". A taser and Pikachu mask would be found in their shopping cart. Chris stated on 21 February 2021 that he wanted to use a taser in order to activate the Dimensional Merge by zapping his [[Gate Crystal]]. Following this, Chris engaged in a call with Praetor leader Caden Peck and several Watchmen members, discouraging him from taking this course of action. A chunk of the full call would be leaked, leaving out much of the key context in the full call, and many rumors about the group and the call would be spread by Watchmen leader [[Naught]], Larry Vaughn, and Bella on the Kiwi Farms, as well as by the Christuber [[GiBi]] on his own YouTube channel.

While the group has since disbanded, with Caden being the only confirmed remaining member, he still continues to manipulate and profit off of Chris via various means to this very day. While a lot of information relating to Caden has since been uncovered, the internal workings of the Praetor's current iteration still remain a mystery.

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===Warhol Saga (''24 May - 19 September 2021'')===
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In May 2021 Chris discovered an Amazon listing for a book made by Don Lashomb that favorably compared him to mid-century pop artist Andy Warhol. Naturally this inflated his ego and caused him to devote several tweets to said comparison. Don Lashomb would actually end up writing the book, and selling it on Amazon. Later Chris went on to begin reviewing the book and made [[Warhol Tweets|Tweets]] featuring his takes on the weens compliments, despite his disapproval at Lashomb saying his [[Chris and Reality|delusions weren't real]]. Chris would make several periodic tweets throughout summer 2021, reviewing the book as he went along.

Chris and Don talked in private multiple times, and Lashomb would state that he was very pleasant to talk to, due to him supposedly being polite, able to take criticism, and paying attention to detail<ref>[[Warhol / Chris Chan#Lashomb's Interactions with Chris]]</ref>. Don was one of the people Chris would drop hints to about his [[Affair with Mother|incestous relationship]] with [[Barb]], though he didn't pick up on them. Despite Lashomb cutting ties with Chris, Chris would continue to promote the book in prison.

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===Incest Saga (''26 June 2021 - 31 July 2021'')===
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During the beginning of 2021, Chris exhibited [[Lonely feelings|many signs of sexual frustration]] much more intense than ever before, to the point of openly discussing this with several Watchmen members, as well as crushing on [[MKRNightVee|several]] [[Annie Ikenberry|females]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|of]] [[Fiona|interest]] all at once, and having wet dreams involving cartoon characters<ref>[[:File:ThePlace1stLayer 02Feb21 - almost sex dream.png]]</ref>. Towards the end of June, Chris grew impatient and decided to release this sexual frustration on his own mother. Chris would do this over the span of one month every three days. Chris would hint at this affair over this timespan, referring to Barb as a "Sweetheart over 50".

On 5 July 2021, Null would be one of the first people that Chris would confess to having a "sweetheart over 50".

On 27 July 2021, Chris would also confess to Bella that he was having an affair with the "sweetheart over 50". About two weeks later, on the the 28th, he would further confess in a 4-hour call that this sweetheart was actually his mother. The following night, when Bella had given her an edited 9 minute version of the call, Fiona initiated leaks of it by sharing a further edited 4-minute version of the call, and then the full 9 minutes when people doubted its legitimacy. Bella would end up doing damage control to her name soon after, which ended up with her getting discovered.

On 31 July 2021, two days after the initial leak, Greene County police were contacted and Chris was removed from his property, with Barb also being taken to a hospital for a checkup. An emergency protection order was also taken out against Chris, forbidding him from contacting Barb or setting foot on his property for a week.

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==Silent Years (''1 August 2021 - 16 October 2023'')==

After enjoying nearly 14 years of being an infamous YouTuber with a cult following, Chris's notability rose as his reputation plummeted. His name trended on Twitter as local news picked up on his largest controversy yet, accompanied by many major shifts in Chris's life.

===Jail Saga (''1 August 2021 - 27 March 2023'')===
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On 1 August, Chris was arrested outside the Regency Inn he was staying at, and the next day was officially charged for incest. By the end of the month, it was discovered that Barb had returned home, and that the Chandlers' car had been returned to her, with new numberplates replacing the SONICHU ones. During that period, Chris was being held in Central Virginia Regional Jail without bond.

This saga is notable for the [[jail letters]], a series of letters Chris has written to fans and wannabe trolls alike, answering their questions and providing a stream of information about his current delusions and stay in jail. A vast majority of these letters would be Chris's ramblings of being a messianic figure, as well as being a reincarnation of Jesus Christ. Chris's desperation to get out of jail would show all throughout the saga.

After three continuances, On 28 February 2022, Chris was transferred and committed into the [[Western State Hospital]] mental institution in Staunton, Virginia (formerly known as the Western State Lunatic Asylum) for a competency evaluation before his next hearing.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 1 June 2022]]</ref> During his stay, Chris was allegedly [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School|pinned down]] by the orderlies on his last day in the facility.

Chris was eventually transferred back to the Central Virginia Regional Jail on 3 May 2022. The period between these two transfers would prove to be one of the more silent moments in Christory, due to such facilities having strict measures regarding the interactions between its patients and the outside world.

Chris's last hearing had occurred on 22 July 2022, where Chris's case was elevated to the circuit court, and sent to a grand jury for a potential felony charge. On 5 August 2022, David Heilberg had issued a motion for an autism disorder deference for Chris's case, where he is placed under probation terms and supervised. A transportation order for Chris has also been made on 10 August 2022. A review of Chris's case following the deference has been scheduled for 8 August 2023.

On 27 March 2023, Chris was released from custody.<ref>[[:File:VineLink Out of Custody 27 March 2023.png]]</ref><ref>[[:File:VineLink Out of Custody 27 March 2023 - 1 49 pm update.png]]</ref>

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===Third Exile (''27 March 2023 - 16 October 2023'')===
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On 27 March 2023 Chris was transferred from jail to [[Gateway Homes]] and soon after he began to be recognized and photographed in public as if he were a cryptid. The start of May would mark the first of [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|many sightings]]. Possibly in a vain hope of disguising himself from watchful eyes, Chris started wearing hats and [[Pedo-Glasses|bulky glasses]], going so far as to hide the [[Sonichu Medallion]] under his shirt. In the latter half of September, Chris's car was spotted at [[14 Branchland Court]], and he was seen allegedly hugging and ''kissing'' a [[Flutter|mysterious blonde woman]].

On 9 August Chris's charge of [[Affair with Mother|incest]] was [[Jail_Saga#Dismissal|dismissed]], making Chris [[Honest Content#True and Honest|truly, but not honestly]], a free man. One Day later he became active on [[Pokémon GO#Post-jail|Pokémon GO]] in [[Big Island, VA]]. Two days later, Chris spoke his first recorded words since his release as a status update on his [[PlayStation Network#Post-jail activity|PlayStation Network]] account, being "I'm Christ Chan Prime". On the 16th, Chris [[Twitter#Post-jail activity|became active on Twitter]] by liking posts. On the 23rd, Chris made his [[DeviantART#Post-jail|first post-jail social media posts]] in a massive dump of previously unseen art (much of it made in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]]), along with new content from the unfinished ''Sonichu 15'' comic, now renamed to ''[[Sonichu 0 HD]]''.

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==Second Coming (''16 October 2023 - Present'')==

After months of public sightings and reports of incognito online activity, Chris (now under the name of Mrs. Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime) officially returned to the online world and [[Messiah complex|proclaimed himself the messiah]]. Chris has received a surprisingly warmer welcome back than expected, probably because everyone is traumatized enough by the previous few years both in and outside of Christory to not care anymore. Behind the scenes, [[Praetor]] continues to manage Chris and presumably vet his content.

This era has been defined by well-produced and well-edited content uncharacteristic of Chris, likely reflecting both Chris's new experience in video editing as well as Praetor's control over him. Predictably, as Chris comes the closest he ever has to being a legitimate content creator, his viewership is only plummeting as his content has become unwatchably boring. Chris's sanity, meanwhile, is missing and presumed dead.

===Revelations Saga (''16 October 2023 - Present'')===

On 16 [[October 2023]], Chris made his first series of social media posts for over two years on YouTube and Twitter, dubbing himself "Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime" and that he had been resurrected and returned. Praetor's [[OfficialCWCmart]] store once again became operational. Despite the best attempts to cover up Chris's current location, [[Kiwi_Farms|internet sleuths]] discovered it to be [[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA#Big Island|a house]] owned by [[Caden Peck]] in [[November 2023]]. Praetor's management of (and control over) Chris has been wholly reflected in his content. Meanwhile, off the internet, Chris was spotted several times with [[Flutter]], causing speculation as to her role in regard to both Chris and Praetor.

This saga has largely been defined by Chris's return to both online and public fandom spaces, and his slow leaking of stories regarding both the [[Jail Saga]] and his [[Affair With Mother]]. His tirade against [[My Little Pony: Make Your Mark|My Little Pony G5]] has also continued, with Chris now accusing the show of being Russian propaganda.

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==See also==
*''[[Excel Saga]]''

{{References}}
{{Newbie}}
{{Timeline}}
{{CWC-isms}}

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Talk:Saga

2024-09-24T17:23:35Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* The new saga (Third time's a charm) */ new section

Add the sagas that we have from the [[List of Videos]] page and describe the overarching storylines in each. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 14:09, 19 October 2009 (CEST)
*The current saga should be called the "Revalation" saga. --[[User:14recinez|14recinez]] 15:30, 14 September 2013 (EST)
* Add information involving the Ebay stuff to the Facebook Saga section. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
* Add the 2014 sagas to the Sagas timeline. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:08, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
==Changes==
So basically what I tried to do so far is sum up every saga in 3 images. Is this at all helpful? I can upload colour versions instead if we prefer, but I thought this looked kind of good. I can also put all of them together to make a MEGASAGA sort of image that we can add to as more sagas become apparent. What do we want? Or delete them if you think they are gay. If they are not gay, then I will finish the rest tomorrow. ALSO: I can make a vertically oriented timeline (like from a history book) showing how they progress and overlap. Or horizontally, whatever we want really. Just tell me. For now, I need to sleep. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:25, 24 October 2009 (CEST)

* I actually really like these. [[User:Anaconda|Anaconda]] 03:38, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
:*I like them. Though I think that like, the subject of the saga should be in the center. Like, the Miyamoto saga, Reggie is in the middle when it really should be Miyamoto. If I may recommend one for Liquid, if there was a way to make it look like they're staring down each other, that'd be cool. Otherwise, nice work, I like the general idea. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 03:47, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*Your wish is my command. It is done. I think I got what you wanted for the Liquid saga too... Now what exactly? I can get started on a timeline. I guess I will work on making each subsection more introductory in the text too... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 20:49, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
::*So I have added some detail to give a bit more advanced insight on the sagas for this page. I hope it is helpful. Are there any other sagas that should be here? I assume not. What do we need to add to make this... complete... --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 01:23, 25 October 2009 (CEST)

==Timeline==
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So the timeline you see running here is one I made for this article. Problem, When I run it down the right side of the article it looks funny. At least I think it does. Try it. Should we put it there... or what? I will just work on the actual text of this article until we decide what to do about the imagery. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:33, 24 October 2009 (CEST)
*I haven't heard any opinions on this and they claimed to like it in IRC so I have it running down the right. Revert it if you like. --[[User:Fuckingstupid|Fuckingstupid]] 22:41, 25 October 2009 (CET)
:*I like it a lot too. Having it up and down isn't orthodox but it's well suited for the media. Very nice job. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)
*I think it looks great, but I think the information is a bit wrong... the Megan Saga went on through the beginning of 2008 and into the ED and Adam Stackhouse affairs. Hell, there wouldn't be a Stackhouse Saga without Megan. Otherwise, it looks good.
----[[User:Kwippleton|Kwippleton]] 06:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

==Gregg Mays saga==
Not sure if we should consider it part of Clyde Cash saga but we should consider a Gregg Mays saga to include all this Gregg Mays stuff. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:55, 30 October 2009 (CET)

==Jack Thaddeus Saga, anyone?==
Or does anyone think it's too early? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 03:42, 2 January 2010 (CET)
* I was about to suggest the same thing. With the [[Kill de Jack|recent]] [[To Clyde and Jack|videos]] aimed at him, the [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call|three]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 2|phone]] [[Jack Thaddeus Phone Call 3|calls]] and the CWCipedia ad shenanigans, not to mention [[It's UGH!|previous]] [[Chris humps his PS3|antics]], there seems to be enough material to warrant a new saga. --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 05:17, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
** Don't forget about Asperchu in the future. Seeing how dedicated Alec is with it so far (and Jack just started advertising his wiki in CWCipedia), a Saga for that is inevitable! --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 05:32, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
*** And I think it has begun! --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 02:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
**** {{Asperchu}} [[Asperchu]] Saga. You like? --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 02:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Very nice! Now how about Jack, anyone? --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 02:08, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
***** Awesome job on the icon! --'''[[User:Lime|L]][[User_talk:Lime|i]][[Special:Contributions/Lime|m]][[nudes|e]]''' [[Image:Madotsuki.png]] 02:09, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
===Actually...===
Looking at recent edits, someone was adding a "Homosexual ad saga" to this page but it was reverted. While not a proper saga, I'd say it's a sort of mini saga and it's part of the Chris narrative, as it leads into Asperchu saga. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:49, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:I'm not sure I'd call the homosexual ads a saga by itself, but part of a CWCipedia saga? I'm certainly not part of the inner circle, but I imagine more hi-jinks involving the CWCipedia are in store. [[User:Chris fangs|Chris fangs]] 21:54, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I reverted it. It wasn't a proper saga, no. Even if it could be considered one, the information wasn't presented well enough. I first reverted the changes made to the timeline PNG[http://www.cogsdev.org/cwcki/File:Timeline.png], which also wasn't up to par. There could be a lead-in to the Asperchu Saga, sure, but I would vote no on calling it a saga. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:02, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
*I re-reverted because you're a huge faggot have a nice day [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]

*Actually, I changed my mind. If someone could make a better, more convincing presentation of it, go ahead. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:16, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree that the presentation on the timeline sucks, and the name "Homosexual ad saga" does as well. I think Chris fangs is onto something about it being called "CWCipedia saga" since in a way, the Mailbag is a way of trolling Chris and CWCipedia in general sorta inadvertently trolls Chris. Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:20, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Well, it seems I've angered someone. Not my intentions, to be sure. Anyway, CWCipedia Saga has a nice ring to it and it's relevant, since the Mailbag is certainly a repository of ongoing trolling. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:28, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
::*Champthom, I'll leave it to you to revert the timeline image/Saga page or not. I don't wish to get into a revert war over Chris Chan. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 22:34, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
:::*I'm not saying you're wrong, I'm just saying that you're right but so is Nitrocore. The concept of a saga invoking CWCipedia, perhaps call it CWCipedia saga, is good or maybe Jack Thaddeus saga (though I'm aiming at the former) but you are correct in that the write up and the name at the time did kinda suck, and we still need to work on the timeline. For starters, we need to get in touch with the original creator of the timeline or maybe start from scratch. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 22:58, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
* Ha i win sucker, I actually like "Cwc saga" as well i was just adding stuff(unlike you) if you can combine it and possibly make it better with external links then I'm not bothered [[User:Nitrocore|Nitrocore]]
::::*I went with the CWCipedia idea. It's a rough draft, but you get the idea. Nitro, if there is a next time, try not to act like a child. Also, sign your discussion edits with the timestamp. --[[User:Jewlay|Jewlay]] 00:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

==The CWCki Saga, anyone?==

I was going to start this, but decided otherwise unless objects to it, but what we got here is the start of a third saga - CWCki Saga. Chris knows about the CWCki and now he wants to take control of it. You think we should start gathering information on this?--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 05:19, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
*Damn. It's barely 24 hrs in and we are already talking about a saga! I think it is a tad too early to talk about a saga. Outside of "The WallFlower Incident", we got mostly nothing. Let's wait a little to see where it will goes. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 05:30, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
:*I agree. Luckily, we'll probably find out two days from now, when his ultimatum gets ignored to death. If nothing comes of it, then nothing comes of it. If he spazzes out and does something really stupid, like threatening legal action or starting an epic edit war, then yeah. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus|Revolver Octopus]] 05:44, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

==Vanessa Saga==

My old pet project, probably not long or significant enough, but some pretty good videos and logs came from that --[[User:Robotnik|Robotnik]] 07:52, 12 March 2010 (UTC)
*Vanessa saga is one of the unsung tales of the overarching CWC saga and it's sorry that it isn't currently reflected here. However, perhaps now in retrospect it seems more to be part of Ivy saga, though Vanessa saga had dynamic elements and whatnot. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 11:07, 12 March 2010 (UTC)

== more saga sum up images ==

we need a saga image for asperchu (not tito yet) and the cwikipedia saga--[[User:Wintermute|Wintermute]] 02:19, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Heres a quick one i made for the game place, just to throw out the idea, can't use it since it doesn't match the others
[[image:Picture_4.png]]

== Tito saga ==

'''In December 2009, Chris released a page from Sonichu 10, which revealed a girl named [[Lovely Weather]]. Many trolls were confused as to why Chris would create a fictional love interest when previous issues used real life girls. The confusion continued when Chris revealed he had a gal-pal during some of his Mailbags.'''

Is it just me or does this seem to suggest that "Lovely Weather" is connected to [[The Wallflower]]? If so, this text is incorrect as Chris didn't meet Wallflower until January at the latest. Srsly guys. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 07:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)
* Okay, I'll admit - I wrote that bit when it seemed like there was a connection between Weather and Wallflower. I'll alter it so it won't seem that way.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 13:01, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

==IRL Saga?==

It might be too early for this, but if he keeps up these public creeper antics, methinks an "IRL Saga" would be appropriate. --[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 16:12, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
* I always thought it would be better to call everything that's happened since he "left" the Internet the "CWC Exile Saga". But, still, IRL Saga's just as good.--[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 16:24, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**How about 'Reality Saga'? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 16:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
***If we're going to do that, we might as well include the Love Quest as a saga, since this sounds pretty much like a repeat of those events. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 17:34, 20 June 2010 (UTC)
**** I understand the reasoning behind that, though a good chunk of the Love Quest happened online within specific sagas. Personally, the only issue I would see with such a saga (CWC Exile is a great title) is that it overlaps with The GAMe PLACe and the last bit of Surfshack Tito.--[[User:AdderCress|AdderCress]] 01:14, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
***** I think, in a technical level, we're between sagas. We just simply have to wait and see what damn fool thing he does next. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 02:06, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

== Flipnote Hatena saga ==

Does it count as one yet? He's slowly cracking at the seams, and it could get worse. --[[User:Espanolic|Espanolic]] 20:39, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
*It looks like it might form a saga as he goes along and breaks more Flipnote Waptena rules, so it's plausible. --[[User:Eniggy|Eniggy]] 21:31, 29 June 2010 (UTC)
**Of course he's banned from uploading anything now. I think it was a bit short to count as a saga. A bit uneventful too, though that's just my thoughts on it. If everyone else thinks it could be considered it's own saga... Go for it.--[[User:Yoyoddd|Yoyoddd]] 10:07, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
***I look at this a bit like the Tito saga; very little actually was done to Chris, but it was his response to what happened that made it a saga. We have to wait and see how he reacts to the ban to see whether it's worthy or not. That's just my two cents though. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 10:49, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
****Maybe we should put "interim activities" as a separate category; nothing that fits the criteria for saga but still somewhat noteworthy. Chris being "off the internet" and on flipnote for a month could merit that. That way we could still fill out the periods between major sagas. [[User:Bill Lumburg|Bill Lumburg]] 14:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
*****Even if it doesn't count as a full-fledged "Saga" it was a pretty crazy two weeks. I'm not sure if he'll return to youtube as a result of his banning, but I'm sure he'll cap off the whole thing with an enraged complaint ''somewhere''.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 15:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

==PS3 Saga?==

Before somebody already points it out, I know that the few destruction videos he put up doesn't count as a saga. I'm wondering if we should make a saga for the activities that lead to it's destruction. There's a lot of juicy info I'd like to catalog, but I don't know if it's officially over yet or not (And i also don't want to disrupt any trolling plans that may still be in motion). --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 15:04, 17 September 2010 (PDT)

==Missing Sagas==
Why aren't the sagas caused by [[Vanessa_Saga|Joshua Martinez]] included on the saga list?
*1) please sign your posts (it's four ~ in a row) 2) the stuff from Joshua Martinez is really part of Ivy saga. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

==On Sagas==
This isn't picking on anything that's going on here, but I was thinking and I think the term "saga" gets abused - not so much on here, mind you, but elsewhere but I think it sometimes spills over to the CWCki.

What is a saga? Like the article says, it's an overarching story in the life and times of Chris. For instance, let's take Miyamoto saga, which, also as the article says, what really started the whole "saga" thing. You have Chris and "Miyamoto" talking to each other over several weeks, and there's conflict between the two, then there's Reggie who gets involved, and then there's all the videos inbetween. If you watch a video from the saga without the context the saga arch provides, you're missing out on a lot. They're all intertwined, the content that is, and that's what the saga theme is all about, taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.

So what does this mean? You calling Chris is not "You calling Chris saga." Chris dressing up as a woman is not "Tomgirl saga." Seeing Chris at the mall is not "Chris at the mall saga." Chris does stuff, it doesn't need to fit in part of a narrative. It's sorta a chapter in the overarching saga that is Chris's life, but not a saga in itself. Secondly, I don't think sagas are really made. I think people expect to troll Chris and want some place on this page, wanting their own "Gigantic Attention Whore saga." Pretty much every saga wasn't intended to be a saga, it's not like they planned this all out, it's just going with the flow and it happens to have narrative to it.

I had more but I forgot what else I was going to say. But hopefully this will make sense and serve as a guide to what is a saga and what isn't, so much as how it should be included on the page.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:45, 22 June 2011 (PDT)

*Actually, while we're talking about sagas, I'd like to ask for a bit of clarification on how saga related articles are named. Recent sagas for instance are just documented in the article on the appropriate person. The article on the Ivy Saga is called [[Ivy]] and the article on the Liquid Saga is called [[Liquid Chris]]. But then there are articles which are literally called [[Miyamoto Saga]] or [[Vanessa Saga]], which are full of emails just dumped there incomprehensibly. And this is in spite of there actually being articles for [[Shigeru Miyamoto]] and [[Vanessa Hudgens]]. Don't get me wrong, I realize the need to keep the crap ton of emails separate from the main articles, but the naming convention is just odd. I'm not quite sure, but I'm willing to bet it's Clyde's fault. What is the official policy on naming saga articles? Should they all be named as "X" or as "X Saga"? And while we're on it, some sagas have a weird little template documenting all things related to them. Two I can name are [[:Template:BlancaSaga]] and [[:Template:MeganSaga]]. I don't think they're bad. They could use a little cleanup, but I do have a problem with the fact that some sagas have them and others don't. They could serve as a great way to sum up everything and point users in the direction of content relevant to each saga, but as it is right now, there's no consistency in which sagas have them. What should we do? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:29, 22 June 2011 (PDT)
:*Good points. In regards to the e-mails, I guess people consider the bulk of the saga the e-mails or IM chats behind them, but perhaps we could rename them to be "Miyamoto Saga e-mails" or "Vanessa Saga chats"? It's probably Clyde's fault, at least for the Miyamoto e-mails. As for the templates, they probably could use cleaning up and the reason why some do and some don't is because people haven't gotten around to doing them for other templates (which can be something you can work on, if you so please). Definitely, make templates for each saga, that'd be a great way to present information. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:46, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
::*Well if you think that's something for me to work on then I suppose I could have a go at it. It'd make a change from all the sonichu shit that I've been doing recently. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 05:41, 24 June 2011 (PDT)

== Individual Saga pages ==

I didn't know where to put this suggestion, so I'm putting it here. I was thinking we can give each Saga its own page. The pages would go into more detail about the saga, a summary of the events, and a listing of videos, emails, etc. in order by date. This serves to make a description about all events in the Saga from beginning to end, as there is none on the CWCki. The closest there is to it is the timeline with all of the years and months, but often times there are events irrelevant to the Saga and events in other Sagas happening. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 16:47, 2 January 2012 (PST)
* EDIT: I noticed there are articles called "Vanessa Saga" and more, but those aren't the type of formats I'm talking about. Those pages are only content dumps, but what I'm talking about is much more organized.
* I made a [[Tomgirl Saga]] page. If there's a problem with it, or if the page is a bad idea, speak now or I'll write pages for the other sagas. --[[User:American Christory X|American Christory X]] 09:56, 3 January 2012 (PST)
*I still don't think that the whole Tomgirl thing is actually a saga, but I'll let other people debate that as that's mostly my opinion. The thing is, the articles about respective sagas tend to be in the page about the people involved. Like, most of the stuff with the Ivy saga is in the [[Ivy]] page, and the stuff about Liquid is on the [[Liquid Chris]] page. I see what you want to do and it does make sense but I think it might be redundant unless we totally rework these biographical articles so we're not saying the same stuff on two different pages.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:38, 4 January 2012 (PST)
**I think that the question of whether or not every Saga deserves its own individual page should be decided on a case by case basis rather then collectively. I think that starting the article on the Tomgirl Saga was a good idea, but having articles such "Jackie Saga", "Blanca Saga" or "Julie Saga" will be redundant in my opinion. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 06:44, 4 January 2012 (PST)
*** i agree, this page handles the simplified explanations and servers as a nice jumping off point. There is plenty blue here to get you started and if you need details about the saga then read the details linked in blue :)
* I was thinking this myself. Not every saga needs a seperate page but sagas which involved a lot of interaction in the form of Youtube videos between two parties would benefit from a seperate entry. I'm especially thinking of the Liquid Chris/CWCivil war ordeal. One page or a group of pages with the video interaction between the two in chronological order would be very useful. Maybe the Asperchu saga also? I was taking a break from Chris during that period and am still not too clear on the chronology of events. [[User:Samboy|Samboy]] 09:06, 15 July 2012 (PDT)

== Second Exile saga? ==

Chris hasn't done anything of note lately. His therapist may have banned him from the internet, and is most likely doing his service or playing video games. This may go on for a while, and might be considered a saga.--[[User:Germanicus|Germanicus]] 14:13, 8 October 2012 (PDT)

- I disagree. A time without content, I feel, shouldn't be considered a saga.--[[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] 13:01, 3 Feburary 2014

== Regarding the Catherine Saga ==

I'll put the section back once the Catherine drama goes further. Like Champthom said before that sagas are "taking stuff that happens to Chris and presenting it in a way that provides narrative and understanding.", I say wait and see until we can confirm it. Right now, it's still early to claim a new saga. Not to mention sagas are abused to death. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 14:33, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I'll just share some comments I made in the chat on the CWCki Forums on the matter. Like I've said, the saga really should just be a tool to provide a narrative to what happens with Chris in specific periods. We probably have what constitutes a saga now - Chris is active on Facebook, he apparently has a girlfriend, he's trying to make money off eBay and Kickstarter, he's claiming to be fully transgendered. I'm inclined to call this "Facebook saga" as I feel the characterization of this saga is Chris's interactions with people on Facebook. It's unusual as we mostly focus on people but I think in this case, it might make sense to focus on the medium and not so much the persons involved. I feel that "Catherine saga" at this point is too narrow - we just have a single video and we're not really sure she's the main impetus behind this revival. To me at least, it seems sorta a side note compared to bigger picture things like Chris finally trying to earn money through his art and embracing transgenderism.
:Ideally, we'd name this after the fact but it's helpful to have a label for us to refer to the events now. Most of the sagas were named after the fact or it was extremely obvious what to name it after - Chris was seeing Ivy, pretty much everything he did involved Ivy, so it made sense to call that the Ivy saga. But we're not really seeing the same thing here with Catherine. We're different from Wikipedia in the sense that you as the users have influence in determining what this is called. In a way, original research is acceptable here mostly because there's not really formal institutions that study autistic manchildren for a living. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:41, 10 October 2014 (UTC)
*I have added some details to the Catherine and Sonic sagas, but I think that you are right about combining the Facebook saga point. A good deal of information from Catherine is not really typical trolling, but further information on Chris's condition as a Tomgirl and his general repulsive self. It may be a good idea to combine the two into some sort of saga, rather than having two separate sections.[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 13:30, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

== Is there an "Ebay" Saga going on right now? ==

Considering all of the ebay stuff that has been going on for a while, like the situation with Mr. Smith, the Tribalism art, and such, should it be considered a saga? It's long enough to be considered as saga, but I'm wondering it there was enough content to validate it being called a saga. -Fredinno, Feb 3, 2014.

*I think it would be best to make a Facebook Saga, as Champthom suggested above. Maybe Catherine could also be mentioned here too? And his return to his art. [[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 21:13, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

*I disagree, but I'm beaten, 3 to 1. Oh well, I guess I'll combine those two together. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:01, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

== Tomgirl Saga vs Calling Out Saga ==

Should the Calling Out Saga be separated from the Tomgirl Saga? The two things, in my opinion, are very different from each other, and many people from the Cwcki Forums, including me, believe the two are different Sagas. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 05:14, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*You are right, they are two different things, but I think the reason they have been put together is because it's part of Chris's Tomgirl phase. I don't really think Calling Out qualifies as a Saga in its own right, so, personally, I would argue against giving it its own section. I am assuming it was added to give a bit more volume to the Tomgirl Saga, but, now that we have more information on Chris's Tomgirl antics, we could replace Calling Out with something else.

*So, to link back to what we were talking about above, I guess maybe Catherine could go with Tomgirl - as Chris's first lesbian encounter. The eBay stuff could then go to a Facebook Saga because it marks a change in both Chris's personality, since he has become more withdrawn, and how he communicates, being far more paranoid and holding court only to a select few. Obviously, this withdrawal has also come about from Bob's death, and also why he is allegedly selling stuff on eBay because he claims to need the money more for him and Barb. So, here you can see a link between the change in Chris and ''why'' he has returned to making his artwork and selling stuff, but it also demonstrates a change in how trolling Chris has changed. Granted, he's still being trolled, but it's not as abrasive as it once was because it can only be done through eBay - again because Chris has cut off all contact.

*Anyway, if you see the links there that I'm thinking of, you'll understand why I want to merge the eBay Saga with Facebook, plus I don't really think enough happened for it to warrant a Saga in its own right, but I haven't seen the pages on the wiki to document it so I could be wrong on that point. Let me know how you see it and how you think Chris's recent shenanigans would be best documented. Once everyone has discussed it we will probably have a good idea of the most efficient way of categorizing his recent behavior into Sagas. Apologies for wall of text,[[User:Kaltenbrunner|Kaltenbrunner]] ([[User talk:Kaltenbrunner|talk]]) 11:33, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

*Really, though I can agree with your statement that Ebay Saga should be merged with Facebook Saga, (since there were many miscellaneous Facebook posts important to Chrisdom and Christory, the two sometimes connect with each other via Chris, and the 'ebay saga' only contains 2 fiascos that were really funny). Catherine should probably be its own saga, in my opinion, due to that stuff being related directly to a new sweetheart, but I could understand why you want it to be included as a "Tomgirl Saga, Part 2" sort of thing. On the other hand, Calling Out really has a enough content in relation to it, to be a saga, but is too big simply to be left as not a part of any saga. Since it was cut short by Bob's death, it should be considered its own saga.

In summary, I believe we should merge Facebook and Ebay Sagas, maybe merge Tomgirl and Catherine, but decouple Calling out from Tomgirl. [[User:Fredinno|Fredinno]] ([[User talk:Fredinno|talk]]) 21:53, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

== The Boxing Day Saga ==

Should there be a separate saga for SONIC'S ARMS ARE NOT FREAKING BLUE!!!
I know that the saga is older than what I will now call the "Boxing Day GameStop Spritzing", but it has a nice, poetic ring to it.
--Troll-chan Sonichu, 05/03/2015

No, That's Sonic Boom Saga.
--Fredinno

== Should the Tom Girl Saga end? ==

Since Chris has stated on facebook that she is no longer a male she is a transwoman, and a female, should the Tom Girl Saga come to a close? .--[[User:Sinistersnare]] 14:13, 7 March 2015 (PDT)

== Is the Financhu Crisis worthy of a Saga? ==

chris has been begging for money for a while now, and with the mortgage of around $100,000 that barbara has to pay, i doubt it will end anytime soon.
should it be made its' own unique saga? --Kettleonwater 8th September 2016 10:46am

I think so. Chris may have begged in the past for sex and his PSN account, but I am seeing a pattern recently of him begging for money. The Financhu Crisis Saga -galxylax 13 September 2016 20:06 PST

== Just throwing it out there ==

I feel the next soon starting saga will almost undoubtedly be either The Trump Saga, or the Partyvan saga; since many have been reporting his archived death threats. --[[User:The World Is Yours|The World Is Yours]] ([[User talk:The World Is Yours|talk]]) 22:55, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

It's hard to say now. On one hand, the anti-Trump vitriol has reached levels of hatefulness on par with classic Chris's anti-gay agenda, and Chris's return to issuing death threats suggests that he's taken quite an exception to Trump's election. On the other hand, Chris is so lazy that unless the death threats/hate rhetoric become a regular thing (a la Financhu Crisis) or he takes overt actions to advance his agenda (a la Sonic Boom Protests), the whole issue may blow over after Trump takes office. There's been an issue in the past with Christorians jumping the gun on declaring new sagas. Sometimes they've called them right, other times it's turned out to be nothing. Also, the fact that so many of Chris's death threats have already been reported, publicly exposed, and even tweeted straight to Trump's Twitter with no retaliatory action taken makes it doubtful that there will be a party van saga.--[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 23:39, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

Yeah. I agree with Ujirat here. Wait and see before declaring the Pmurt Saga. This has the possibility to explode into one of the most interesting sagas since the golden age, but right now, there's really nothing of interest that occurred since Eid, Pmurt, Eid and Feelings of the election results. The fumes are there, all we need is a spark.

Maybe if Sonichu restarts, he'll include Trump as a villain and Clinton as a Christ like figure? I don't know. All we can do is wait and see (and prepare the popcorn).

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:54, 18 January 2017 (UTC)

== Edits to Megan and Game Place Sagas ==

Revised the Megan saga because it was described as the "first and longest" of the sagas when the Game Place saga ran a good six years longer than Megan's did. In the interest of the edit not being completely subtractive, the "longest saga" superlative was rewritten in the Game Place saga where it would be accurate. I suppose there's room for debate on it being the longest, though, since there is no exact date known as to when Chris started patronizing the Place, so it can easily be undone in that case. --[[User:Ujirat|Ujirat]] ([[User talk:Ujirat|talk]]) 01:09, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Update to 2017 ==

It's been roughly a year since the last image was added. I'm working on an extension to the current timeline all the way to 2017, adding in the rest of the Selling out Saga, and adding in the Financhu Crisis. I was wondering if I should add in the Pmurt Saga, as some of you have dubbed it, or if there's anything else you all could think of to include it onto the list. You all have around three days before I upload the finished image.
[[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 02:25, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Don't, as the Pmurt Saga is not yet official (and most people are opposed to it anyway; see the "Just throwing it out there" section above)

-[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 02:48, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

Seems fair. Then I'll just add the rest of the Selling out Saga, and the Financhu Crisis. [[User:Navy|Navy]] ([[User talk:Navy|talk]]) 03:18, 20 January 2017 (UTC)

== Doopie saga ==

If not much else happens with the saga by, say, the end of the year, should it be kept up?
{{Unsigned|Hurtful Truth Level}}
*Probably not. This definitely has potential, but there's the possibility it won't go anywhere like the Jeff, Johan, and Terra Strong debacles. A couple of videos by Chris or an escalation of his discourse with Doopie would solidify this as a saga to me. Otherwise, this wouldn't really be worth mentioning on this article. --[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 20:37, 21 July 2017 (UTC)
* Yeah, nah, sagas can't really be named until after the fact. I'm removing the doopie section until something funny happens. [[User:Canine|Canine]] ([[User talk:Canine|talk]]) 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)
* Recently, Doopie has been becoming subject to trolling mainly from interacting with Chris. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] 19:49, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

== Jessica saga? ==

Should Jessica Quinn be a saga?

I think it should be listed, as it's separate enough from the Doopie saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:57, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

== Ladyfriend Managers saga ==

There should be a saga entry for the trolling from 2015-2016, which included characters like [[Jeff/Francine]], [[Sam and Ellen]] and [[Johan]]. Chris let it slip that he thought he had a manager at least twice - [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/December_2015_Facebook_Posts in December 2015 on Facebook] and again in July 2016 [https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Announcement_20160709|in a video]. Given the timeframe, they were probably behind that content. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:47, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

*Reverted an edit which removed the Lady Managers for being too minor of a saga. I disagree - they influenced Chris for a while. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:54, 14 March 2018 (UTC)

== Vanessa Saga ==

Is the Vanessa Saga really a "Saga?" it's just some random troll who chatted Chris a few times via AIM. It doesn't seem like a noticeable chapter in Chris' life to be a saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

==2nd Exile Saga==

I'm surprised that there is no mention of the 2nd CWC exile. I think it should be added. [[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:42, 26 December 2017 (UTC)

== Timeline ==

Somebody needs to update the Timeline, that thing hasn't been updated since the Doopie Saga. - [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]]

== Idea Guy ==

It's too soon to declare the idea guy saga over, we should probably wait say a month or so to see if Chris responds to the doxxing fiasco or if he's still under his control.

Does the Idea Guy saga really need to be extended to April? Wise has nothing to do with any of Chris' current shenanigans, and [[Dick Licker; that is I]] [https://kiwifarms.net/members/shadow-resident.23381/ was apparently natural according to Shadow Resident]. Either way, Wise doesn't have any place in recent Chris content. [[User:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|DirtyCrappedMiniskirt]] ([[User talk:DirtyCrappedMiniskirt|talk]]) 15:08, 16 April 2018 (UTC)

*I do have plans to rename the saga to the "Coercion" saga, or something similar, since lately, a lot of what Wise did has pretty much influenced a lot of people to continue fucking up Chris' already messed up psyche. In a sense, it does seem like somewhat of a continuation of the saga in question, we'll just see what happens for the rest of the month. For now, I've decided to rollback all of the edits I've made on the saga itself. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]

== Explain the 'Lady Managers' and Pmurt Sagas ==
I get what in Chris's life they refer to, but I'm not sure whether they should count as sagas, and given that no one has filled in their sections on the page, I don't think I'm alone.

From what I understand the 'Lady Managers Saga' seems to be defined as a combination of Chris's interactions with Jeff/Francine, Sam and Ellen, and the "lady managers" themselves - but none of these events seem connected, and Chris never mentioned the lady managers in relation to either of the troll encounters. Do we know exactly what influence they had on him?

Calling Chris's comments on Trump a saga feels like a stretch; all they really illustrate is that Chris fairly mainstream political views, but behaves like a child when he doesn't get his way. Chris has made more political content since 2016, but the state of national politics has had no real impact on his life and he's never really acted on his anti-Trump hysteria. If he had written a bunch of left-wing diatribes into Sonichu or stayed home from Bronycon to bash the fash back in Charlottesville, I could understand, but he hasn't, so making a big deal out of it just feels like pro-Trump schadenfreude. While Chris's recent political views are fair game, they're already covered on the [[Chris and politics]] page.

:Writing about the Lady Managers is tricky because they never released their info. We know they were active from December 2015 to July 2016, since Chris let slip at those times that he thought he had managers. The characters they came up have a common theme revolving around mocking or getting Chris to talk about his tomgirl lifestyle - Jeff/Francine was a parody of him and ADF, Sam and Ellen got him to talk about his frozen semen collection and fuck another blow-up doll on camera by framing it as a sex audition for who would get to impregnate them.

:Chris took his hatred against Pmurt to a comical extreme. He wrecked toys as effigies on video, hanged Lego Trump and Pence, and made the death threat. I think it merits a saga because Chris was obsessed with him for a few months and the content was funny. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:55, 16 March 2018 (UTC)

== Merging Idea Guy and Magi-Cryzel sagas ==

[https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-590#post-3373402 Evidence has surfaced] which indicates that Josh Wise was responsible for both Idea Guy and the stuff that happened during Magi-Cryzel. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:18, 20 May 2018 (UTC)

== Megan ==

I think the Megan saga ended in 2008, when she cut off contact with him. Chris may have raged about her / gotten nostalgic for her years later, but those are more of follow-ups rather than part of the core saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:35, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

== Null has done nothing ==

Given Chris' recent insane ramblings the consensus on KF seems to be that Idea Guy is back yet again. If Null was still being Chris' bodyguard wouldn't he have stopped this? He got Chris to forward all emails and texts so Josh or that Kentucky guy should have been spotted immediately identified by Null. He's been mum on this for a while too, he hasn't doxed a ween in ages. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 23:36, 24 October 2018 (UTC)

:I never considered the "Guard Dog" saga to be true saga anyways. Also, we have yet to confirm his recent antics to be the acts of the Idea Guys. -[[User:Larry the Larryhog|Larry the Larryhog]] ([[User talk:Larry the Larryhog|talk]]) 01:41, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

:Null isn't the only bodyguard. The Captain seems to be the one who's talking with Chris the most right now. And like Larry said, it's not confirmed who the new trolls are, whether they're the original Idea Guys or someone else. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:20, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

::Though it is an ongoing saga, so if you want to include it, I'd suggest a new entry, "Magi-Chan saga", since the troll is posing as Magi-Chan. If it turns out to have been the original Idea Guys, we can merge it like how we did the Cryzel saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:18, 25 October 2018 (UTC)

== Rewrite Dimensional Merge to focus on Teen Troon Squad ==

On other wiki pages, we have entries referring to both "Dimensional Merge" and "Teen Troon Squad," which refer to the same overall chain of events.

But the Merge is more of a subsection of [[Teen Troon Squad]], since it's their idea. And in addition to the Merge, the Squad has also been releasing Idea Guy videos and their own screencaps of convos with Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 12:11, 30 December 2018 (UTC)

== Sagas prior to the Megan Saga ==

Since the Megan saga began prior to Chris's discovery, shouldn't we add high school and college as sagas? They were both important times in Christory, and since so many of his early antics happened at [[PVCC]] (i.e., the [[sign]], [[Mary Lee Walsh]], etc.), his college days should definitely be a saga. High school too, since that's where he created Sonichu and met his gal pals. Should I go ahead and add high school and college as sagas? [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 22:19, 8 January 2019 (UTC)

:Based on the current definition of a saga:'an on-going trolling effort or other similar series of events that produces considerable drama over a period of time.', I do not think a high school saga would be appropriate. I do think that you could make a stronger case for a PVCC/Mary Lee Walsh saga since there was much more drama involved and the significant ways Mary Lee Walsh and Chris' time at college would influence his future life. Chris' college years are also the begining of the first online discussion of Chris, so I think a college saga would be important. [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 12:41, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

== Potential MKRNightvee saga ==

Due to Chris more closely and more frequently associating with Meghan Ringo I think that there should be a saga dedicated to her. I think at this point MKR has been outed as a troll and Chris is convinced of her legitimacy. [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/meghan-k-ringo-mkrnightvee.52454 Thread on MKR's manipulative ways.] - [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:09, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

:Too soon to call right now. So far, she's only had some set-up done. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:07, 28 January 2019 (UTC)

== Chris' twitter lockdown ==

Would you consider his recent twitter actions as a potential 3rd Exile? [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:28, 1 February 2019 (UTC)

==Timeline Update==

Since the timeline graphic was last updated there have been sagas created that fall outside the 2005-2018 dates on the timeline graphic. Should I update the timeline graphic with all of the new sagas? [[User:Super Tom Nook|Super Tom Nook]] ([[User talk:Super Tom Nook|talk]]) 3:02, 9 February 2019 (UTC)

== Soft Exile naming issue ==

The way this saga is centered around the exile, it could continue indefinitely if Chris keeps his new account protected. It might be good to refocus this to be about Chris freaking out over the blocking bronies instead - he just tweeted that he's done with the blocking drama, so assuming that holds true, then 22 February would be the end of this saga. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:59, 22 February 2019 (UTC)

:Looks like he's not over it quite yet https://i.imgur.com/QqJdGUl.png [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 07:26, 23 February 2019 (UTC)

== Reinstate the Merge saga? ==

Chris is still mentioning the merge stuff and it seems like the Teen Troon Squad were just Idea Guy wannabes. Plus the Troon squad is no longer influencing him now.
[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:49, 13 May 2019 (UTC)

*Agreed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

*I too like this idea. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:12, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== Classifying some sagas as eras ==

From a discussion on the Tomgirl Saga talk page, we should reclassify some items on the Saga list as eras instead. An era could be defined as a set of events which could go on indefinitely, as opposed to a saga which is a story that eventually wraps up or fizzles out, and be filed under the same column as the Exile sections. Transgender (renaming Tomgirl), Financhu Crisis, Business, Dimensional Merge, and Soft Exile could classify as that. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:51, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

I'm sure you have thought long and hard about this, but the exiles are already confusing to read after getting through the non-linear list of sagas. Further confusion comes from "Inter Exile Sagas" which are like Star Wars spinoff movies. I don't get it. The timeline graphic is long, and there is overall a lot to wade through. It would be nice to know all of what has happened and is happening at a glance. As for the word "era", it's accurate but less exciting than "saga". [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 03:22, 18 May 2019 (UTC)

== New Section: Pre-Christory ==

I was just thinking recently, shouldn't we have a section on Pre-Christory? I'd personally define it as the period before Chris became noticed by Encyclopedia Dramatica. Basically, it would be the period where Chris was still a goofball, but wasn't nearly as infamous. In that same section, I was thinking we should add a sub-section for his high school years, as that somewhat shaped who he is today, and it was a significant era in his life. It would also include the PVCC, Megan, and Adam Sagas.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 21:42, 30 August 2019 (UTC)

== I don't think the Jacob Saga is over ==

With Chris appointing him as the overseer of his Patreon, the Twitter dialogue about wanting to share a kiss, and Jacob planning an alleged Halloween visit suggests that their interactions are far from over. It does seem that the rift from September 28 to now just seems like a lull, and most Sagas had lulls and I know of many that were prematurely given an end date during said lulls. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 02:47, 21 October 2019 (UTC)

== New Categories for Sagas. ==

For the past decade, sagas were put into two groups, ones for sweethearts, others for trolls. Considering that the Love Quest is now over, I think we might need a category for Chris' finances or one for his enablers. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:17, 3 January 2020 (UTC)
: Sagas describe the content we get from Chris, and the Financhu Crisis, if looming in the background for quite a while, has certainly not been a running theme driving Chris's antics since 2017 or so. Begging is too related to unrelated, incidental expenses and satisfied by enablers too quickly for Chris to sustain output within a theme. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 23:04, 3 January 2020 (UTC)

== Enablers saga? ==

Should [[Enablers]] / [[Other enablers]] have a saga entry? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:10, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

*Why would we need to have an enablers saga? Doesn't the Dimensional Merge Saga kind of cover that? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 08:15, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

::I agree with PsychoNerd. Classic Chris had an epidemic of weens, and modern Chris has one of enablers. Neither wave of mimics deserves its own saga. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 08:46, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

== Thetan ==

Maybe [[Thetan]] could be added to the Saga list. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 16:30, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:I disagree. I feel that Thetan's activities were too broad and far apart to qualify. I mean, she's essentially along the lines of [[Kim Wilson]]/[[Emily]], but she doesn't have a dedicated saga. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 18:38, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
::I'm not sure about Thetan's activities being too broad - those primarily revolved around posing as ex-classmates in 2013/14. She also did other things like impersonate the firefighter or be involved with the Catherine saga though those don't seem as significant as the classmate stuff. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:08, 13 June 2021 (UTC)
:::I see what you are going for in the sense of Thetan posing as Chris's former classmates, but I still feel that making an entire saga around her is unnecessary. Maybe something along the lines of a "Manchester High Reunion Saga" would be a better option. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 19:34, 13 June 2021 (UTC)

== Incest Saga ==

Continuing [[:Template talk:Incest|from this talk page]], on second thought maybe we should split "Incest" to a sub-Saga called "Incest Leak Drama"? Leak Drama can house the tangential drama surrounding Bella/the Suitress/The WCT. Because those three weren't involved with the Incest itself so to label them as being part of the "incest" saga on their pages is a bit misleading. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:49, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

:I feel like the "Incest Saga" was always primarily about both the Incest itself, and partly the drama that surrounds it. Even though Bella and the Suitress weren't directly connected to him fucking his mom, I still feel they played a very crucial role in the saga in that the former had essentially recorded Chris admitting to the act, and that the latter had leaked the parts of the call, which subsequently led to his arrest. I guess the stuff on WCT is probably better suited for the "Watchmen Saga"? Anything that's not directly related to Chris should not be summarized under there. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 06:20, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

::Yeah, Bella/the Suitress were what caused the Incest saga to end. I guess if we keep the incest saga intact and not split it, the part on the tangential drama could just be deleted - the paragraph about Bella's damage control (which is mentioned on her/the Suitress articles anyway). I agree with the point about The WCT because he was acting as a Watchman when he tried asking Bella for her side of the story and ended up getting manipulated into her sideshow drama which isn't really directly related to Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:43, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

==Third Exile==

Now that Chris has been transferred out of jail, should we consider renaming "Jail Saga" to the "Third Exile"? Because it doesn't seem we'll get that much out of the hospital. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 02:53, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

:Is he still technically incarcerated, just at the hospital instead of a jail? He might return to the jail later. Maybe wait until whatever happens in July to clarify his situation. Or rename it now and rename it again in July if needed. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:59, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

::In that case, I guess we can keep the name. If he goes back to jail, we can just add the date in which he's brought back. I just don't really see a "Nuthouse Saga" anytime soon. If by July he's still in the nuthouse, I say we rename it. [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:06, 3 March 2022 (UTC)

== Everfree Northwest ==

At the moment, all of the stuff regarding Everfree is considered part of the Watchmen saga. I can't help but think we should move it to the Jacob saga, as a majority of the concerns regarding that event was about Jacob showing up there in disguise, and was basically the whole reason Chris asked Bella and the Suitress to accompany him. Any objections to this? [[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:47, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

:Sounds fine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 21:36, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

== Nuthouse Saga Merge ==

Should we merge the nuthouse saga with the jail saga? Given it was such a short period of time, I feel like it's more accurate to describe it as an event of the jail saga rather than it's own listed period of time, as well as it being covered on the [[Jail Saga]] page already. [[User:SodaSpring|SodaSpring]] ([[User talk:SodaSpring|talk]]) 05:44, 10 July 2022 (UTC)

== Freedom Saga ==

The most recent saga in this page is entitled "Freedom Saga" which I named. The previous name for this saga was "CWC Was Here Saga" which I changed as I thought it was too long. There is currently no consensus on what the name of the saga that covers the 8 August 2023-Present should be so I choose "Freedom Saga" as an interregnum name. Does anyone have a better suggestion on what the name of this saga should be?
:Both "Freedom" and "Incognito" are too vague and could be the name of other sagas. There are other sagas which have longer names then "CWC Was Here" such as the "Nathaniel Greene" or "Leonard Bearstein" sagas. The saga icon is a reference to {{w|Kilroy was here}}, which I think fits well. Another saga name could be "Kilroy" saga, but I think that would be too confusing. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 13:45, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

== Offical Rename ==

I just held a poll on the Offical CWCki Discord Server for what name to choose for the current saga, these were the results.

CWC Was Here Saga - 1 Vote

Incognito saga - 1 Vote

Freedom Saga - 7 Votes

I think we have a very obvious favorite here, I propose an offical rename to the '''Freedom Saga'''. Stop changing it back to CWC Was Here Saga [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]], most people dislike the name. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 21:21, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

:I was unaware most people disliked it other than you and that other editor as when I messed up the previous saga name, everyone kicked off on reddit, which I did not see this time. I apologize. I think Incognito works the best, and it still with the saga icon. I will change it now. [[User:BootlegsATrolley|BootlegsATrolley]] ([[User talk:BootlegsATrolley|talk]]) 22:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

== Merge incognito and third exile saga ==

They really aren't too different. Incognito Saga still has loads of post-jail sightings that apparently aren't a part of that saga, and the page has an 'other sightings' part for no real reason. It should just be Third Exile saga with Chris becoming more active in the latter half of the saga. I think that would be a lot more simple. Also it should go from 27 March to 16 October, he seems to be actually returning now. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 19:04, 16 October 2023 (EDT)

== Christmas Saga? ==

Over the past few days Chris has been talking about Chistmas on Twitter. He's predictably acting entitled and expecting his "fans" go shower him with gifts, he even hijacked Toys For Tots and made it about himself. Now this isn't new behavior out of Chris but I think this time is distinct because this is the first Christmas he'll have post jail and in his new position as Praetor's captive. I fully expect Chris to get more and more worked up about Christmas as it gets closer and he'll become more and more perfectionist. Those in the [[Unholy Tetrad]] will take notice, they always do, and given his Amazon wishlist tweet I fully expect weens to send a bunch of MLP G5 stuff to him. We don't need a crystal ball to see what happens next, Christmas will fall short of his expectations and he'll bitch about it be it on Youtube or Twitter. This has the potential to give us the first post-jail tard rage video.

We're in for a lulzy Christmas that I believe will be quite notable.

[[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 14:01, 14 December 2023 (EST)

== Publicity Saga ==

I suggest creating a new saga, starting from January 4 and the Cary, NC sighting, Publicty Saga.
As a result of his past actions, Chris has gotten a lot of bad publicity, both because of his own actions, and a group of weens and enablers he has ecompassed over the many years, especially now, after the Second Coming. Chris is on the blacklist of many cons, was kicked out of Aniamte! Raleigh, and now seeks shelter in unlikely places, such as the Keffals livestream.
Flutter also seems to have left the scene as of January 13, as Chris was spotted alone near the airport that day.
So far, the current events are:

- January 4 -
sighting in Cary, NC, which made weens aware of the event

- January 5-6 -
Animate! Raleigh, Chris was not allowed on the second day due to reports to the staff

- January 7 -
Chris claims that he has had a good weekend, doesn't acknowledge the events at the con

- January 13 -
Lone sighting at a gas station (probably WaWa) in Henrico County, near the Richmond International Airport, probably returning after dropping off Flutter

A textwall ranting about CosmicKeyframe blocking him, start of bigger ween interactions over the next few following days

- January 14 -
Announcement of the Keffals livestream with him

- January 15 -
New video ranting about G5, con ban, blocking on Twitter ect

A bit of a Q&A on Twitter with weens

Keffals has a livestream in which, among other things, she states that the conversation with Chris will be pre recorded and heavily edited
[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 06:33, 16 January 2024 (EST)

:I see the potential, sounds good. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 09:21, 16 January 2024 (EST)
:May be a bit early to declare a saga, should wait a bit to see if the pattern holds. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:04, 16 January 2024 (EST)

== New saga? ==

We lacked a Flutter saga, but as you still believe she might be a real deal and not want to be on there, fair. However, with Chris's absense from the internet (Over two weeks, all the content we get is pre recorded or by other parties), I think we might have entered either a soft exile due to Flutter, or another weird part of the Revelations Saga. I do not even wanna call it Revelations Saga anymore as all of the revelations have been done already. We've got nothing new going on right now. The whole Caden thing was a dead end. What do we do in this situation?

And PS: How do I make a single reference to the CWCki for multiple items? I kinda need it for the video games list article.[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 14:32, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:Should probably just wait until things become clearer. No need to rush with naming sagas. Currently seems to be a slow time for Christory. For the references you can do <nowiki><ref name=streampoll>[[February 2024 social media posts#Stream Poll|From screenshots of his games shared by him on Twitter.]]</ref></nowiki> for the first item, then <nowiki><ref name=streampoll></ref></nowiki> for the rest. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

:We already had a soft exile in 2019. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 21:44, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

== Is the Revelations Saga over? ==

While it's probably too early to name a new saga, I feel that we're at a point now when we've learned the bulk of what we're going to about the Jail Saga. Because of that, I feel like it's a misnomer to say we're still in the Revelations Saga at this point. The GFM meetup and interview probably marked the end of whatever else we're going to learn outside of the inevitable years-long dripfeed. Should we officially declare the saga to have ended on March 18? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 06:39, 27 April 2024 (EDT)
:Praetor still hasn't released the Goddess Logs so there is still a lot more info about jail on the way. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 08:54, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

== The new saga (Third time's a charm) ==

Considering that we saw a large shift in Chris's behavious and online activity that became even more commercialised than before, with the new website, Minecraft lets plays and the Play Button in his possession, I suggest that we do finally make a new saga. Revelations is no longer, well, relevant, due to the fact that we now learn nothing new about Chris other than his long Twitter rants that are likely AI generated with some corrections from him. The Commercialised Saga/CWCLight Saga/Extortion Saga are all possible names. I feel like all that we're gonna get as of now is more Praetor produced content. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2024 (EDT)

AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan

2024-09-24T17:18:44Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Din Låt */

'''AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan''' is a series of YouTube videos in which various songs of different languages are "sung" by an AI Classic Chris voice, and then by current Chris. The videos' description refers to them collectively as a "Neo [[SingStar Challenge]]" and a "Worldwide Musical Journey." The premise is that, across the series, Chris will sing at least one song from every language [[Duolingo]] offers, although thus far Chris has mostly covered songs from the languages he's already familiar with or has shown interest in learning. Aside from the one German novelty song, his selections have been from [[Chris and English|English]], [[Anime|Japanese]], [[Michael Snyder|Hebrew]], and [[Flutter|Finnish]]. He's also already tackled Duolingo's only two novelty pop culture conlangs, [[Captain's Log|Klingon]] and High Valyrian (from ''A Song of Ice and Fire''/''Game of Thrones''). While Chris's vocal performances so far arguably rank among his most competent, [[Chris and music#Singing|that's not to say they're good]]. So far, it seems that AI Chris has the upper hand, despite Chris's best efforts. Only time will tell if Chris can make a comeback (probably not).

==All Over The World==
Chris's English language entry.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan All Over The World
| video = {{#ev:youtube|jWPOlTESakc}}
| stardate = 24 [[February 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[CWC Art Contest#Semifinals|CWC Art Contest - Semifinals]]
| next = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan#AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Grund Zum Feiern|AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Grund Zum Feiern]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
The first video in a series of a considerable "Neo Singstar Challenge". Continue in peace, elsewhere, Liquid Chris Sonichu, or should I mention your brother, Ian Brandon Anderson.

I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: All Over the World by Electric Light Orchestra 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

===Highlights===
{{Collapsible|Highlights|
*'''04:10''' A previously black background changes to video of Chris still obscured by the still images of young Chris Chan and modern day Chris Chan.

He proceeds to sing and mime airdrums for the second playing of the song, which has no AI Chris singing.}}

==Grund Zum Feiern==
Chris's German language entry. This is a novelty cover of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire" in German, listing various forms of alcohol. According to the description, it appears Chris came across the song thanks to his old friends at [[TF2 Analysis]], who likely used it in some of their videos. Chris has the gall to call this a "bonus episode" when it's only the second video in the series.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Grund Zum Feiern
| video = {{#ev:youtube|_1KUHRVy4Bw}}
| stardate = 24 [[February 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan All Over The World]]
| next = [[ Art Contest Top 5]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
A Bonus video in a series of a considerable "Neo Singstar Challenge".

I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

And a very honorable mention to AynWye for introducing me to this song in the TF2 Analysis Anarchy Series. 
[''Link to TF2 Analysis video'']

Featured Song: Grund Zum Feiern by Otto. 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

===Highlights===
{{Collapsible|Highlights|
'''01:34:''' For Chris' rendition he is audibly sped up and only comes out of the listener's left headphone.}}
[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2024]]

==Bloom==
Chris's Japanese language entry.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan Bloom
| video = {{#ev:youtube|MIkDMJspEC4}}
| stardate = 16 [[March 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[Over the Shoulder Highlights]]
| next = [[Telling It To All of You, and the Hasbro Executives and Staff]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in [[Duolingo]]. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this [[Chris and music|Worldwide Musical Journey]].

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Bloom by Necry Talkie 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

==Yo-Ya==
Chris's Hebrew language entry.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Yo Ya
| video = {{#ev:youtube|__kaQTTnphA}}
| stardate = 24 [[March 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt = {{ManchildMeldownShirt|text}}
| previous = [[Telling It To All of You, and the Hasbro Executives and Staff]]
| next = [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|Accidental livestreams]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Yo-Ya by Kaveret 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

==Silakka Apajalla==
The first of Chris's Finnish language entries.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Silakka Apajalla
| video = {{#ev:youtube|nEu4dicIG6g}}
| stardate = 5 [[April 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt = {{ManchildMeldownShirt|text}}
| previous = [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|Accidental livestreams]]
| next = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Pray High Valyrian]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Silakka Apajalla by Veikko Lavi 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Pray (High Valyrian)==
Chris's High Valyrian entry, a conlang largely created for by David J. Peterson for the HBO television series ''Game of Thrones''.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Pray High Valyrian
| video = {{#ev:youtube|vV-COV9Tn6M}}
| stardate = 13 [[April 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Silakka Apajalla]]
| next = [[Harvesting Process, Gravel at the Sonichu Temple]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Pray (High Valyrian) from Game of Thrones 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Sakkijarven Polkka==
This video in particular is notable for being both the second song in Finnish Chris has sung and for not including the AI version of the song. The lazy title and the added note in the description, as well as the fact that the song [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|Chris has sung]] back in [[March 2024]] still hadn't been released suggest that it was a prerecorded video put up on the channel to maintain a consistent upload schedule.

The footage of Chris singing is noticeably sped-up; he may slowed down the song while singing it, and then sped it up in post, due to finding the fast pace of the song difficult to keep up with.

===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = Christ Chan - Sakkijarven Polkka mp4
| video = {{#ev:youtube|YxqzPAtC-V8}}
| stardate = 26 [[April 2024]]
| subject = {{Music|text}}
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt = {{ManchildMeldownShirt|text}}
| previous = [[Harvesting Process, Gravel at the Sonichu Temple]]
| next = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Suvwl' van bom]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|**I have attempted to have the AI Chris Chan voice sing this song, but apparently, this song is too [[Stress|difficult for the AI]]. So, this one is a Solo track; enjoy.

I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Sakkijarven Polkka by Eemeli 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Suvwl' van bom==
Chris's Klingon language entry, a conlang of the ''Star Trek'' franchise, largely created by the staff of ''Star Trek: The Motion Picture''. This is the same video Chris [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|attempted to record]] back in [[March 2024]].

===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Suvwl' van bom
| video = {{#ev:youtube|OqroNyZEFKE}}
| stardate = 4 [[May 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[Christ Chan - Sakkijarven Polkka mp4]]
| next = [[Sightings_(2024)#Dallas_Airport|Dallas Airport Sighting]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|**I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Yes, they do teach Klingon in Duolingo.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Swvul' van bom 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Din Låt==
Chris's Swedish language entry. Other than the lazily screenshotted frame of the MP4 file used as the thumbnail, the video itself also features a callback to [[Update 1/29/2016 - There is NO PewDiePie or Felix here whatsoever|several of his]][[Pewdiepie Does Not Live Here; He Lives In Sweden| older productions]] in the form of the limited edition [[Chris and nutrition|G-Fuel ]] can themed around [[PewDiePie]].

===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Din Lat
| video = {{#ev:youtube|-hYq0OHuDA0}}
| stardate = 24 [[September 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[Introducing Cwclight - My new website]]
| next =
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|**I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Din Låt by Victor Leksell, Einár 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

{{Articleofthenow}}
{{Music Videos}}

AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan

2024-09-24T17:15:41Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Din Låt */

'''AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan''' is a series of YouTube videos in which various songs of different languages are "sung" by an AI Classic Chris voice, and then by current Chris. The videos' description refers to them collectively as a "Neo [[SingStar Challenge]]" and a "Worldwide Musical Journey." The premise is that, across the series, Chris will sing at least one song from every language [[Duolingo]] offers, although thus far Chris has mostly covered songs from the languages he's already familiar with or has shown interest in learning. Aside from the one German novelty song, his selections have been from [[Chris and English|English]], [[Anime|Japanese]], [[Michael Snyder|Hebrew]], and [[Flutter|Finnish]]. He's also already tackled Duolingo's only two novelty pop culture conlangs, [[Captain's Log|Klingon]] and High Valyrian (from ''A Song of Ice and Fire''/''Game of Thrones''). While Chris's vocal performances so far arguably rank among his most competent, [[Chris and music#Singing|that's not to say they're good]]. So far, it seems that AI Chris has the upper hand, despite Chris's best efforts. Only time will tell if Chris can make a comeback (probably not).

==All Over The World==
Chris's English language entry.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan All Over The World
| video = {{#ev:youtube|jWPOlTESakc}}
| stardate = 24 [[February 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[CWC Art Contest#Semifinals|CWC Art Contest - Semifinals]]
| next = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan#AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Grund Zum Feiern|AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Grund Zum Feiern]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
The first video in a series of a considerable "Neo Singstar Challenge". Continue in peace, elsewhere, Liquid Chris Sonichu, or should I mention your brother, Ian Brandon Anderson.

I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: All Over the World by Electric Light Orchestra 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

===Highlights===
{{Collapsible|Highlights|
*'''04:10''' A previously black background changes to video of Chris still obscured by the still images of young Chris Chan and modern day Chris Chan.

He proceeds to sing and mime airdrums for the second playing of the song, which has no AI Chris singing.}}

==Grund Zum Feiern==
Chris's German language entry. This is a novelty cover of Billy Joel's "We Didn't Start the Fire" in German, listing various forms of alcohol. According to the description, it appears Chris came across the song thanks to his old friends at [[TF2 Analysis]], who likely used it in some of their videos. Chris has the gall to call this a "bonus episode" when it's only the second video in the series.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Grund Zum Feiern
| video = {{#ev:youtube|_1KUHRVy4Bw}}
| stardate = 24 [[February 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan All Over The World]]
| next = [[ Art Contest Top 5]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
A Bonus video in a series of a considerable "Neo Singstar Challenge".

I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

And a very honorable mention to AynWye for introducing me to this song in the TF2 Analysis Anarchy Series. 
[''Link to TF2 Analysis video'']

Featured Song: Grund Zum Feiern by Otto. 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

===Highlights===
{{Collapsible|Highlights|
'''01:34:''' For Chris' rendition he is audibly sped up and only comes out of the listener's left headphone.}}
[[Category:Chris-chan videos, 2024]]

==Bloom==
Chris's Japanese language entry.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan Bloom
| video = {{#ev:youtube|MIkDMJspEC4}}
| stardate = 16 [[March 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[Over the Shoulder Highlights]]
| next = [[Telling It To All of You, and the Hasbro Executives and Staff]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in [[Duolingo]]. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this [[Chris and music|Worldwide Musical Journey]].

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Bloom by Necry Talkie 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

==Yo-Ya==
Chris's Hebrew language entry.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Yo Ya
| video = {{#ev:youtube|__kaQTTnphA}}
| stardate = 24 [[March 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt = {{ManchildMeldownShirt|text}}
| previous = [[Telling It To All of You, and the Hasbro Executives and Staff]]
| next = [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|Accidental livestreams]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|
I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Yo-Ya by Kaveret 
[''Link to official music video'']
}}

==Silakka Apajalla==
The first of Chris's Finnish language entries.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Silakka Apajalla
| video = {{#ev:youtube|nEu4dicIG6g}}
| stardate = 5 [[April 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt = {{ManchildMeldownShirt|text}}
| previous = [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|Accidental livestreams]]
| next = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Pray High Valyrian]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Silakka Apajalla by Veikko Lavi 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Pray (High Valyrian)==
Chris's High Valyrian entry, a conlang largely created for by David J. Peterson for the HBO television series ''Game of Thrones''.
===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Pray High Valyrian
| video = {{#ev:youtube|vV-COV9Tn6M}}
| stardate = 13 [[April 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Silakka Apajalla]]
| next = [[Harvesting Process, Gravel at the Sonichu Temple]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Pray (High Valyrian) from Game of Thrones 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Sakkijarven Polkka==
This video in particular is notable for being both the second song in Finnish Chris has sung and for not including the AI version of the song. The lazy title and the added note in the description, as well as the fact that the song [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|Chris has sung]] back in [[March 2024]] still hadn't been released suggest that it was a prerecorded video put up on the channel to maintain a consistent upload schedule.

The footage of Chris singing is noticeably sped-up; he may slowed down the song while singing it, and then sped it up in post, due to finding the fast pace of the song difficult to keep up with.

===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = Christ Chan - Sakkijarven Polkka mp4
| video = {{#ev:youtube|YxqzPAtC-V8}}
| stardate = 26 [[April 2024]]
| subject = {{Music|text}}
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt = {{ManchildMeldownShirt|text}}
| previous = [[Harvesting Process, Gravel at the Sonichu Temple]]
| next = [[AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Suvwl' van bom]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|**I have attempted to have the AI Chris Chan voice sing this song, but apparently, this song is too [[Stress|difficult for the AI]]. So, this one is a Solo track; enjoy.

I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Sakkijarven Polkka by Eemeli 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Suvwl' van bom==
Chris's Klingon language entry, a conlang of the ''Star Trek'' franchise, largely created by the staff of ''Star Trek: The Motion Picture''. This is the same video Chris [[March 2024 livestreams#Christ Chan Live Stream: Over the Shoulder Colouring and Drawing 2 (accidental streams)|attempted to record]] back in [[March 2024]].

===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Suvwl' van bom
| video = {{#ev:youtube|OqroNyZEFKE}}
| stardate = 4 [[May 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[Christ Chan - Sakkijarven Polkka mp4]]
| next = [[Sightings_(2024)#Dallas_Airport|Dallas Airport Sighting]]
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|**I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Yes, they do teach Klingon in Duolingo.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Swvul' van bom 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

==Din Låt==
Chris's Swedish language entry. Other than the lazily screenshotted frame of the video used as the thumbnail, the video itself [[Pewdiepie Does Not Live Here; He Lives In Sweden|also features a callback to one of Chris's older videos]] in the form of the limited edition [[Chris and nutrition|G-Fuel ]] can themed around [[PewDiePie]].

===Video===
{{Infobox/video
| name = AI Chris Chan Vs Christ Chan - Din Lat
| video = {{#ev:youtube|-hYq0OHuDA0}}
| stardate = 24 [[September 2024]]
| subject = {{Music}} Music
| saga = {{Revelations|text}}, {{Praetor|text}}
| shirt =
| previous = [[Introducing Cwclight - My new website]]
| next =
}}

===Description===
{{quotebox|**I have utilized AI with a fine version of my past voice in this comparison of I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, versus the AI-Generated voice. This series will cover the at least forty learnable languages in Duolingo. And credit to the original songs and respective artists along the way in this Worldwide Musical Journey.

Visit the Etsy Store for often updated items we have for sale as well. 
[''Link to [[OfficialCWCmart]]'']

Featured Song: Din Låt by Victor Leksell, Einár 
[''Link to official music video'']}}

{{Articleofthenow}}
{{Music Videos}}

Talk:JCWCSP First Minecraft TRICKY TRIALS

2024-09-16T08:01:10Z

XelaBlueThunder:

The date of the video is July 23 at around 5:30 PM. Bar the date you can see in the toolbar through the OBS (though heavily pixelated), the main menu announces an event happening in 1 day and 16 hours. This event was MC Championship and it happened on July 25. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 03:58, 16 September 2024 (EDT)

Talk:JCWCSP First Minecraft TRICKY TRIALS

2024-09-16T07:59:02Z

XelaBlueThunder:

The date of the video is July 23 at around 5:30 PM. Bar the date you can see in the toolbar through the OBS (though heavily pixelated), the main menu announces an event happening in 1 day and 6 hours. This event was MC Championship and it happened on July 25. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 03:58, 16 September 2024 (EDT)

Talk:JCWCSP First Minecraft TRICKY TRIALS

2024-09-16T07:58:35Z

XelaBlueThunder: Created page with "The date of the video is July 23 at around 5:30 PM. Bar the date you can see in the toolbar through the OBS (though heavily pixelated), the main menu announces an event happening in 1 day and 6 hours. This event was MC Championships and it happened on July 25. ~~~~"

The date of the video is July 23 at around 5:30 PM. Bar the date you can see in the toolbar through the OBS (though heavily pixelated), the main menu announces an event happening in 1 day and 6 hours. This event was MC Championships and it happened on July 25. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 03:58, 16 September 2024 (EDT)

Talk:Christian Weston Chandler

2024-09-11T20:28:47Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Rolling Infobox Image */

...Okay, is it just me, or does Chrissy look drastically different when he's wearing his glasses compared to when he's not? Like, I almost can't believe it's the same person. I mean, I can, since no one else could possibly be that much of a fucktard, but he just looks really different. Or am I imagining it? [[User:Ayvuir|Ayvuir]]
*Hey, it works for Superman. [[User:Ensign disposable|Ensign disposable]] 14:09, 7 September 2009 (CEST)

==To do==
*pics of Chris, especially young Chris and the funny ones
*life history
*brief outline of his views
*his future outlook
I'll do what I can to help this page along. I'm a wiki noob, learning as I go here. So, it won't look the best... [[User:MajorIronwood|MajorIronwood]]

We should add a sentence or two on the fact that he thinks he can call himself Christopher, just because it share the same abbreviation as Christian.~[[User:gourmetpickle|gourmetpickle]]
:Christopher WAS his name, until he changed to Christian when he was 12.--[[User:UncleBastard|UncleBastard]] 20:43, 10 March 2009 (CET)
:Boy, do I feel stupid. But then again, if he changed his name, he should have to pick or the other.~[[User:gourmetpickle|gourmetpickle]]
::That reminds me, we should add a few sentences about why he changed his name - I forget where but he had some story (maybe it was in the DVD slideshow) where he says how some teacher kept calling him "Christian" and the name "had a ring to it" so he changed it. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:52, 17 March 2009 (CET)
:::In addition, from [[CWC's_Pokésite_2| El PokéSite 2]], Christian considers his Spanish name to be Ricardo - Likely named after the Ricky Ricardo character from ''I Love Lucy''. Realistic equivalents might be found in ''Cris'', ''Cristián'', or ''Cristóbal'', but clearly these were not featured in the television shows he had watched prior to his High School Spanish classes. [[User:Mall Conductor Bear|Mall Conductor Bear]] 09:25, 12 May 2009 (CEST)
::::To be fair, one's "Spanish name" need not be the same as their real name. For example, in 7th grade my Spanish name was Jose, though my name isn't Joseph, and in 10th grade I was Che, even though I'm not Argentinian. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 06:02, 1 June 2009 (CEST)
:::More Name Crap: "-Chan" suffix is generally used for a little girl in Japanese. Chris is ''possibly'' too dense to realize this, and enjoys the similar pronunciation to 'Christian'. In doing so, there was no need to create a word jumble of existing letters, as that convention was given to his ''more open'' [[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc|alter-ago]]. [[User:LBearington|LBearington]] 05:25, 1 June 2009 (CEST)

==Racism and Noviophobia==
Evidence of it goes back further than was previously thought. Read the notice to guys on [[Media:511-JumboLoveQuestSign.JPG|this sign]] from when he was 21. "(and to all MEN with girlfriends, except marrieds and blacks, go jump off a cliff)". Where the white women at? --[[User:Tumbleweed|Tumbleweed]] 04:10, 26 March 2009 (CET)
*I don't think that's racism though, because he's saying EXCEPT blacks. I think maybe he's paranoid about telling black people to jump off a cliff, because otherwise that's a hate crime. Sorta like when he made that post on his MySpace "I Respect the African American People." --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:12, 26 March 2009 (CET)
*Possibly, but since he's already stated that he simply doesn't like black people, I don't think it's likely. And besides, I don't think it would make much sense to make a special exception to black people unless you were hyper PC or just afraid of black people. (not to mention that he explicitly asks for only white women in later requests / demands / whines) --[[User:Tumbleweed|Tumbleweed]] 09:48, 26 March 2009 (CET)
*Yeah, it's racism. He's saying "Blacks don't need to jump off a cliff, because I'm using my outdated and quriky view that blacks stick with blacks relationship wise, and the same is true for whites. So, I don't worry about blacks impeding on my 'love quest.'" However, I don't think Chris would be able to articulate that well. --[[User:Tregnier2795|Tregnier2795]]
*Just a thought, should there be a separate article that would count how many times he's been racist other than his views of [[niggo]]s? --[[User:AntonImausMk2|AntonImausMk2]] 04:29, 3 November 2009 (CET)

== Mr. Darcy is much better than Chris, y'hear. ==

I had it noted, along with a picture of Colin Firth as Mr. Darcy to compare the two, that Mr. Darcy and Chris are in no way similar. This came about from the cliche "Well, he's no Mr. Darcy..."

I think it's a good visual aid. --[[User:Tregnier2795|Tregnier2795]]

==Let me tell you about this page==
It's great. It's fantastic. I read it for the first time in a while and I think it's the perfect, concise intro to Chris. The ED article on Chris sucks because it's so all over the place. True, we have the luxury of being a devoted wiki that instead of having to go into depth about Sonichu, we can just link to the article. The ED article is shit because it goes over the place, it's a bit out of date, and it picks poor samples of Chris's videos like just highlighting the "gaybian" vid. This is a fantastic article and this is why people come to us. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:03, 1 December 2009 (CET)

== Since there's no actual "Chris and..." page ==

I hope it's okay to discuss it here. I was wondering if a "Chris and Intelligence" page can be of any use. Some things to cover are his 1) logic, 2) academics and 3) philosophy (to cover his stupid quotes and advice). --[[User:AntonImausMk2|AntonImausMk2]] 09:56, 7 December 2009 (CET)
*That's sorta what [[honor roll]] is at the moment, though it really should be expanded to that as opposed to the focus on art (which really isn't what honor roll is about). Why I suggest honor roll because Chris will say something like "I'm smart, I was on honor roll." "I know math, I was on honor roll for the love of God!," etc. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:07, 7 December 2009 (CET)

We need a "Chris and Aspergers Syndrome" page. --[[User:CJB8895|Cody]]
==CWC split?==
"CWC" should redirect here, but I'm thinking maybe we should make a page devoted to Chris's initials. He uses them a lot, they're a recurring motif in his work, and we can even keep track of when he uses them as a pun (like "A CWC Audition"). Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 10:09, 7 December 2009 (CET)

==Page Needed==
Chris and Reliability - [[User:CJB8895|Cody]]

== cleaned-up, needs to be expanded/updated ==

--[[User:Sonijew|Sonijew]] 22:29, 29 December 2009 (CET)

== Contact information? ==

Okay. I realise I will be stepping into what can only be described as but a cat's whisker from the maw of hell- but I would like to talk to Christian Weston Chandler. I have a great deal of things to discuss with him and, rest assured, there will be luls. What is the best way to get in touch with him these days? I tried Facebook, but he doesn't seem to be checking it very often (I'm guessing he has a lot of trolls talk to him). I've also taken to staking out his AIM, but I'm guessing he doesn't use that either due to people spamming him with JULAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY. [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:Are you a licensed therapist or religious official? Because I think a team of a shrink, a priest, and a journalist would be needed at this point. [[Vivian Gee]] tried to get through to him, Lord love her, but she's not a doctor--didn't even finish high school, I do believe. Look...I've had my share of problems growing up, and I know no one can compliment you and make you feel like a turd all at the same time like a [[Mary Lee Walsh|school admin]]. I've got a kid brother who is an unrepentant drug addict and thief, who probably could have been reached if we'd gotten to him sooner. He's now a burned-out piece of crap who is on his third (maybe fourth, I've lost count) jail term. He's about Chris-Chan's age. I say someone better do something or else Chris'll be in jail or an institution before he's thirty, and then he'll be the taxpayer's problem. What will they do when his folks croak off? He's got a couple of half-siblings, but they've got their own lives to lead; they don't need a man-child with a lukewarm I.Q. underfoot. Could we live with ourselves if he flips out and kills a bunch of people in a mall or a campus somewhere, and maybe we could have done something if we'd been proactive five or three, or even just a year ago, to prevent it? [[User:The Iconoclast|The Iconoclast]] 19:37, 28 January 2011 (PST)
::Although it pains me to have to use the phrase, the CWCki is not a forum. Take shit like this elsewhere. Also, you're responding to a 10-month-old comment. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 20:27, 28 January 2011 (PST)
I don't own a PS3 so somehow contacting him via the Playstation Network is also out. I live in Australia, so this makes things difficult. Thoughts? Suggestions? [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 14:20, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
:It's pointless to try and talk to Chris, as he will just ignore you. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 14:42, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
::Alec knows his personal phone number. I think that if you ask him nicely he might tell you. He certainly dosn't owe Chris anything. His Asperpedia account is ALBASPERCHU and his email is albasperchu(at)live.com --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 15:40, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
*1) please sign your comments (it's four tildas [~] in a row). 2) Chris's contact info should be in [[14 Branchland Court]], 3) if it isn't, it should be there. I think Cogs didn't want it with the logic is that if you have to ask for Chris's phone number and can't find it yourself when he's mentioned it frequently, you really shouldn't be trolling Chris. However, people asking for it all the time is annoying and it defeats the purpose of CWCki being an open source of information.
** Actually, I tried calling that number but either I fucked up international dialing (entirely possible) or it was disconnected (which is what I thought it said). [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:That aside, I can guarantee that Chris will not listen to your call.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 16:26, 29 March 2010 (UTC)
::I know he'll ignore me, but at least it'll be funny. I'm not attempting to, directly, help him. [[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 02:26, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
:CWCki is not a place to discuss how to troll or help Chris, if you want to contact Chris, do it, it won't have any effect on him whatsoever.[[User:Basgon|Basgon]] 03:21, 30 March 2010 (UTC)
* I'd actually love to know if there's some online contact information at all. Inquiring minds need to know, since he evidently doesn't go on IRC anymore. anyone know where he can regularly be found? [[User:Boop|Boop]] 05:29, 18 April 2010 (UTC)
**I've yet to be able to find anything besides an AOL address. Does he still use that account? [[User:PrimeMinisterStephanHarper|PrimeMinisterStephanHarper]] 17:26, 27 September 2010 (PDT)

== Misapplication of social rules ==

Maybe this comment should go under the Autism page or the Honesty page but it seems like Chris's view of "Honesty" is likely influenced by an unspoken rule amongst nerdier internet communities where being extremely, unnecessarily open in private, especially with things verifiable by a third party, is seen as a way to build trust, due to the fact it is difficult if not impossible to establish it otherwise. My point being, he may have picked this sort of 'honesty' up from a geeky community somewhere. [[User:Insidious611|Insidious611]] 05:06, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

I will note said openness doesn't USUALLY extend to ones bowel issues or other information nobody in their right mind would want to know. But it may extend to relationships and especially trouble therein. [[User:Insidious611|Insidious611]] 05:07, 12 April 2010 (UTC)

== You forgot to mention... ==

''Christian Weston Chandler (born Christopher Weston Chandler on 24 February 1982) is a perverse, narcissistic, homophobic, sexist, racist, overweight, delusional "high-functioning autistic" virgin etc. etc.''

What about "uncultured" (as shown by his not knowing the story of ''To Kill a Mockingbird'''' and thinking Molvania is a real place) and "tone deaf" (his so called "album", need I say more?)[[User:Knucklechu|Knucklechu]] 10:20, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
:If the purpose of this article was to make a list of all the negative adjectives that could be applied to Chris, it would be 20 pages long.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 11:53, 30 April 2010 (UTC)
**Oh, er... I just got done adding a bunch of those. This is going to be the first sentence of the first page that a lot of people are going to look at. If there's this really stupid, unwieldy list of all the totally horrible, totally accurate descriptors, they'll be like, "No way, no one can be that bad." But they'll... y'know... —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 03:40, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

==Anagram crackers==
''Interestingly, "clownish tender anarchist" is a perfect anagram of Chris' full name.''

So is "antichrist enhances world". [[User:The Iconoclast|The Iconoclast]] 06:56, 13 March 2011 (PDT)

== On the removal of a large chunk of the intro ==

Someone posted the other day how they objected to "transvestite" listed to the intro, saying it's made it seems like being a transvestite is a bad thing and that really got me thinking. As elaborated elsewhere, the CWCki doesn't really try to beat in an idea of Chris. It tends to be critical, nothing wrong with that, but it tries to at least aim for [[CWCki:NPOV|NPOV]] at least as it pertains to our context. I think starting off the article with "Chris is a bad guy who's a whole bunch of unflattering personal characteristics" is going to leave the reader with a negative impression from the get go - of course you're not going to like this guy, you've had it drilled into your head he's a bunch of unpleasant things like "stubborn," "racist," etc. But what should happen is someone reads this article, like "Okay, this guy is a bit off" and then let them decide that based on the facts, whether or not he's really fucked up. If you're going to say Chris is fucked up, let the facts about Chris speak for themselves, you shouldn't need to lead the reader into this.

I also had issue with the linking. For instance, take - "racist" linking to [[Chris and race]]. As you can see on the talk page of that article, there was some debate whether it should be "Chris and racism" versus "Chris and race." I argued for "Chris and race" as it's more neutral and whether or not Chris is racist should be left up to the reader. Yet having "racism" link is going to have the reader read that article expecting Chris to be racist. Once again, let the facts speak for themselves - let known facts about Chris's relationships and comments on certain races allow the reader to determine for his or her own self whether Chris is a racist or not. Hopefully these articles don't insinuate Chris is a certain thing, in which case I need to go through and review some of these articles carefully.

So what did I leave? I left high functioning autistic (why was it in quotations? The [[autism]] article makes a strong case that he is autistic) because this is what Chris describes himself as. Also, he's a virgin - once again, his own description. I was very generous with leaving "man child," which I would say is leading the reader but this seems to be a most popular characterization of Chris.

If you'd like to debate it, you're more than welcome to here. Sorry to take advantage of editing it when the page is locked, I think I'll change it so only new users are blocked from editing the page for the week. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:38, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
*That's a long explaination there boss. You could have just said "You don't need to call Chris a faggot in an article. That's obvious enough", and it would have been just as effective. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:45, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
:I beg to differ. Chris is not the only one who uploads/uploaded shitty comics of his recolors yiffing each other. What sets him apart from others in that category is him being a major jerk as well, and the previous introduction had links to the articles which dealt with those significant aspects of his personality. The current introduction does not capture the full essence of Christian Weston Chandler.

:It seems to me that the rule of thumb on this wiki is that you can write from non neutral POV if what you're adding to the articles are reasonable observation which will be met with agreement by all sensible people who are properly informed regarding the matter involved. For example, outright saying that Chris is an extremely egotistical person goes against Wikipedia's NPOV policy, yet we do outright call him as such - in fact we have [[Chris and his Ego|two]] [[Examples of Chris's Ego|articles]] dedicated just for that purpose. Why? Because once a sensible person sees all the facts those articles gather, he cannot reasonably argue that Chris is not an extremely egotistical man. There's no point in having this article refrain from calling Chris [[Chris and his Ego|narcissistic]], [[homos|homophobic]], [[Tomboys And Tomgirls of Virginia|transvestite]], [[Chris and race|racist]], [[Obesity|overweight]], [[Chris and reality|delusional]], or [[Chris and hypocrisy|hypocritical]] when other articles on this Wiki do just that.

:With the exception perhaps of the first five (and even here I'm not sure), I think it is firmly established that Chris deserves most of the unsavory qualities which were mentioned in the previous revision. His homphobia, semen drinking and transvestism (if one takes the word to mean cross-dressing) are self admitted; his obesity is evident in the pictures taken of him and the rest of the linked articles all make a compelling case for Chris being racist, egotistical, hypocritical, untalented and so on.

:Furthermore, I think that the CWCki will become somewhat stale if all other articles are written in the same spirit as the current introductory paragraph. While I'm not saying we should adopt ED practices and write against the truth if it provides more lulz, I also think we shouldn't emulate wikipedia's NPOV policy. Instead, we should go for a for a rule saying that when writing about Chris once should only stick to facts and observation which can be agreed by all reasonable and informed people - with the occasional snarky comment. [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] 10:09, 26 July 2011 (PDT)
:: To put in my two cents here, I'd say I think everything is fine the way it is as long as it's simply about the facts (or any assumptions are stated as such). If someone stole stuff all the time, you'd call them a thief...you wouldn't sugar coat it (and in reality you couldn't). Chris is a lot of things, most of those things are backed up by examples Chris himself have given people to view. Telling someone Chris is a man-child and giving them examples of said man-child tendencies is no different, in my opinion, as if we'd just given them the examples and they came up with the same conclusion. Most people have brains and use them, if we tell them Chris is racist and then give them examples of said behavior, they can still disagree if they feel the evidence is not conclusive. As for the problem with making "transvestite" or "homosexual" seem like something bad, all I can say is that it's how you read it. I've read almost every article in this CWCki and I don't feel like it's "dissing" or "hating on" anyone that is of any sort of religions, race, gender, or sexuality. It's simply showing what Chris is and how he acts. Straight-out calling Chris a transvestite (Noun: A person, typically a man, who derives pleasure from dressing in clothes appropriate to the opposite sex), isn't too far from the truth, but at the same time, it's not insulting transexuals as a whole. Using that type of logic (meaning you're insulting a group of people if they are in some way associated with what Chris does) would mean that all men, all virgins, all autistics, and all humans are bad/horrible people because they are in the "same group" as Chris. --[[User:4Macie|4Macie]] 12:33, 26 July 2011 (PDT)

::I wasn't a huge fan of the intro as it was. I prefer more subtle jabs; I think that it can be pretty funny to throw in a dig here or there, but a long (entirely piped) list of 'OMG HOMOS' is just... meh. I don't agree with some of the overzealous insult (and humor) purging that has hit some articles, but this I can agree with. [[User:Dude|Dude]] 17:41, 26 July 2011 (PDT)

== August 2011? ==

The events so far of August 2011 appear to be missing. The most recent entries relate only to the Tomgirl forums. --[[User:IwegalBadnik|IwegalBadnik]] 12:56, 13 August 2011 (PDT)

Yeah, the part saying he hasn't made any new videos should be updated [[User:Martymoinklers|Martymoinklers]] 17:16, 1 September 2011 (PDT)
I did it --[[User:ThatPianoGuy|ThatPianoGuy]] 21:05, 8 September 2011 (PDT)

==Chris as a troll==
Not sure why the category has been deleted multiple times. Chris has been (if not currently) a troll, in his career. Most notably, to [[Alec Benson Leary]] during the Asperchu saga, especially during the [[Alec Benson Leary calls|phone calls]]. He's also been Evan's to some extent, i.e. plagiarism [[May 2014 Facebook Posts|which still hasn't been reverted]]. And, of course, the infamous [[Rollin' and Trollin']]. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 2:18, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Just because there's some trolls you dislike doesn't mean Chris is a troll to his trolls. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 07:44, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

What? First off, I never said I disliked any trolls; I'm not trying to bias this. Secondly, Chris has fully admitted to being a 'troll' in the past. As for being a literal troll, like I said, the [[Asperchu]] saga says it all; his constant insulting and mocking of the 'Asperchu Four' along with his disregard for other's work is the clean-cut definition of a troll. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 10:31, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

So let me get this straight in summary.

1. Chris said that he's a troll so therefore he's a troll.

2. A troll's definition is to mock someone else's work.

If these are what you are pointing out, no. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 11:26, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

So by that, no trolls listed in the wiki are actually trolls? I mean, even Liquid isn't regarded as a troll by some, and all he did was mock. Even Alec's called Chris a troll, and that was one of, if not the, most eventful sagas to date. [[User:Boomhauer|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer|talk]]) 11:48, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

So? [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] ([[User talk:Alan Pardew|talk]]) 15:40, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

== Chris on happy tree friends ==

I don't really know if he likes happy tree friends, and it is probably for the best...unless of course he fucks up and adds sonichu as a happy tree friend OC.

== Changing the top image to modern CWC ==

I was wondering if the image in the "Chandler Family" box should be replaced with an image of today's 30+ y/o CWC, instead of classic CWC. ED did it, so why not here? I get that it's probably ''the'' most recognizable pic of CWC, but I'd feel it would be more appropriate, especially when the info in the same box is constantly updating. [[User:CWCFlick|CWCFlick]]

== Pronouns ==

00dani‎ changed all the pronouns in this article to female, to suit Chris's gender choice. I think an edit of that magnitude should be discussed first, so I undid the edits.

Should the pronouns be changed to female?

* I'm voting no. This wiki is primarily about classic Chris, so the gender pronouns should reflect that. A sweeping change of "him" to "her" doesn't make sense, since, for instance, the early life section would get changed as well, and Chris identified as a male for most of his life. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:06, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

** First off, good on you for fixing that awful edit. Second, I'm going to weigh in and say that even if Chris did legitimately suffer from dysphoria, changing his pronouns on the wiki would be the wrong course of action. I didn't push for my point of view strongly enough the first time it came up. The point of pronouns isn't to do with the feelings of what someone ''believes'' himself to be, it's to make discussion of what a person really ''is'' clearer. Enabling delusional thinking by giving people whatever pronouns they ask for muddies up the already-difficult art of communication. Once they invent a form of gender reassignment surgery that produces reproductively viable results in the end, then we can ''consider and discuss'' the merits that maybe giving people pronouns correlating to their new reproductive organs instead of those they were born with. Until then, Chris is just a man who hates [[JERKS]] and wants [[china]], regardless of if he has a professional surgeon give him an Un-Clit 3.0 and removes his much-hated [[duck]] ([[Chris and money|which he won't]]). [[User:Nate-Kar Sonichu|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Nate-Kar Sonichu|talk]]) 20:22, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

*** Kudos to Nate for that epic comment. I 100% agree. If we were going to give any credence to Chris's ludicrous assertion of self-femininity, we might as well also accommodate for his belief that CWCville actually exists as a tangible place. Besides—providing that Chris lives long enough—I believe the tomgirl saga will eventually come to an end.--[[User:Galilean|Galilean]] ([[User talk:Galilean|talk]]) 21:23, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

* Correct pronouns aren't a reward for good behaviour - Christine is an Awful Person™, certainly, but she is not a man and has specifically requested she/her pronouns. Please correctly gender all trans people, including while speaking about them historically (for example, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rebecca_Heineman Rebecca Heineman is correctly gendered throughout her Wikipedia article]). [[User:00dani|00dani]] ([[User talk:00dani|talk]]) 22:30, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

* Chris is a man who likes applying feminine traits to himself. It's biologically impossible for a man to be a woman, or vice versa. I disagree with Wikipedia's policy on applying pronouns from transgenderism throughout an article since it distorts the depiction of events. For instance, this [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caitlyn_Jenner#/media/File:Jenner_on_Wheaties_cereal_box.jpg Wikipedia image of Bruce Jenner] has a caption referring to "she," even though the person depicted in the image is male. Like I said earlier, making a sweeping change to Chris's pronouns in this article would affect the early life section and render it inaccurate. And suppose that we adapt this policy - we would need to rewrite every article on this wiki to match. The problem with that is there are many pages about Chris's ideas on sex and gender that would be rendered nonsensical by switching the pronouns. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:37, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

* Trans women are women, good lord. Caitlyn Jenner isn't male, and unless she says otherwise, neither is Christine. [[User:00dani|00dani]] ([[User talk:00dani|talk]]) 02:52, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* Jenner sired multiple children. One needs to be male in order to do that. As for Chris, he's made many comments, even as a Tomgirl, about how he dislikes his male genitals, so he is also a male. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:19, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* For heaven's sake, it's 2017, let's get this cleared up. Some men have vulvae and some women have penises. The shape of a person's genitals does not determine their identity - what that person ''tells'' you determines their identity. Caitlyn is openly and proudly a woman, regardless of her history. Christine expressing a dislike for her genitals is a classic example of gender dysphoria, which almost always indicates a person is trans, and almost ''never'' indicates a person is cis. Trans men are men, trans women are women. It's not hard. [[User:00dani|00dani]] ([[User talk:00dani|talk]]) 07:06, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* I don't agree, but we're starting to repeat our points. The CWCki isn't here to be respectful towards Chris - its purpose is to document his life, flaws and all. We're not obligated to indulge in his ideas about himself, whether he thinks he's the Mayor of CWCville or a lesbian transwoman. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:31, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* There's a very important difference between CWCville and trans women, which is that trans women ''actually exist''. Heck, I should know, since I [https://keybase.io/00dani ''am'' one]. It's true that the CWCki is under no obligation to respect Christine's fictitious mayorhood, but refusing to respect her gender is hurtful not only to her but to ''all'' trans women. Indeed, you've made abundantly clear that you've no respect for us, given your completely unnecessary deadnaming and misgendering of Caitlyn. [[User:00dani|00dani]] ([[User talk:00dani|talk]]) 12:53, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* Whether or not a concept is real isn't relevant to my point about the CWCki. As another example, Chris believes he is descended from royalty. Royalty is an existing concept, but this Wiki isn't obligated to write about Chris as if he were royalty. As for my opinions, you've set up your side of the discussion so that there doesn't seem to be a way for me to discuss my perspective without you interpreting it as disrespectful. I consider Chris to be a man and use male terms, but you interpret that as hurtful. I don't see a good alternative. I could use female pronouns to talk about Chris, but it would be self-defeating since I'm arguing that this Wiki should consider him to be male. Jenner is a public figure, and I only brought him up as a counter to a point you made about Wikipedia's coverage on Heineman. Also, it's irrelevant for you to mention that you are also trans, as you are not the subject of this discussion. Anyway, there doesn't seem to be a point in continuing this debate since no one else has weighed in lately, and you and I haven't budged from our positions. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:02, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* The reason you can't discuss your perspective without it being interpreted as disrespectful is that ''your perspective is disrespectful''. Trans women are women. We are not men, nor are we male. Caitlyn isn't a useful counterexample to Rebecca's article, since Caitlyn's Wikipedia article does exactly the same thing: use her correct pronouns and gender. Your continual misgendering of her speaks only to your own bigotry, not to any practical consideration for wiki editors. [[User:00dani|00dani]] ([[User talk:00dani|talk]]) 21:12, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* Even though I'm neutral to this whole debate (I don't care which direction this wiki goes, if it's all female, all male, or female post-Tomgirl), but here's a suggestion for you 00dani: Give Up. It's obvious at this point that the CWCki will not change their minds about this whole debate. You. Lost. I suggest you give up and move on, since I'm pretty sure that the admins like Canine are QUICKLY losing their patience with you. Plus, the CWCki isn't really for such a debate anyway. If you really want to debate if we should now use feminine pronouns with Chris, head to the Kiwi Farms (be forewarned, you'll probably be insta-banned and mocked every way to Sunday). --[[User:Windows OS|Windows OS]] ([[User talk:Windows OS|talk]]) 23:01, 11 January 2017 (UTC)

* Right, you definitely sound 100% neutral on this debate and not at ''all'' transphobic. Honestly, I'm not surprised a community founded on mocking autistic people refuses to afford basic respect to trans folk - feel free to keep peddling your toxic attitudes toward anyone who isn't exactly like you. I'm out. [[User:00dani|00dani]] ([[User talk:00dani|talk]]) 21:30, 12 January 2017 (UTC)

== Rename ==

This article refers to Chris as Christian, but that hasn't been his name for years - his current legal name is Christine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:27, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

* No because if we change it we would have to change all of his names to Christine which will put stress so definitely not agreeing with this. [[User:PG Andre YT|PG Andre YT]] ([[User talk:PG Andre YT|talk]]) 24 February 2022

**I don't think we would be obligated to change names elsewhere on the CWCki. He's referred to as Chris for the most part, which can be shorthand for both Christian and Christine. Some older articles still use Christian but those are pre-name change anyway. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 13:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)

* We've always known Chris as Christian. Changing it would just cause confusion and drama. I think it's best not to. [[User:Fiddy|Fiddy]] ([[User talk:Fiddy|talk]]) 08:13, 2 February 2020 (UTC)

* I think we should definitely start using Chris more often. I have thought Chris to be a middle ground since we have female personalities named Chris, and male personalities named Chris. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:16, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
** That's usually how it's done on the site, but this article is an exception as the title specifically calls him by his full name. [[User:Fiddy|Fiddy]] ([[User talk:Fiddy|talk]]) 10:32, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
** During the epoch for which Chris is the most internet-famous, and from which newcomers are to recognise him, he was known as Christian Weston Chandler. His legal tomgirl name is included in the article's first sentence proper as well as the infobox. I second Fiddy; keep the GodBear-given title. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 20:07, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
** On the subject of recognition, all of Chris's social media refers to him as Christine, so newcomers to CWC will be familiar with that name. Of the 13 years he's been internet-famous, he was known as Christian for 8 and Christine for 5. He'll eventually be more active as Christine. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:37, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
*** Newcomers are more likely to discover Chris from some YouTube celebrity reporting on Classic Chris. Kiwi Farms also names Chris's section traditionally, and the rest of this wiki, including its title bar (both the link to the article and the picture), uses Christian as his full forename. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 20:58, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
*I still think the page should be renamed. Continuing to use Christian results in inconsistencies in the article text. The lead lists the Christine name first yet the infobox uses Christian and an old photo of him from over a decade ago. ChanOfTartary noted above that many people find out about Chris through YouTubers covering the days when he was named Christian. While that may have been true for a while, the incest news has upended that, as media and court records refer to him as his current Christine name. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:29, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
** I was also thinking about the future of Chris’s current name and pronouns before the events of 30 July 2021 upended everything. At the time I was thinking about the inevitability that the transgender era is here to stay, and the CWCki will eventually have to come to terms with the change, no matter what the fans of the classic era think. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 14:03, 3 February 2022 (UTC)
** I'm going to dissent, as I think that the name should stay the way it is. Chris-Chan has been far more often associated with the Christian Weston Chandler name than anything else, given that (at least up until the incest incident) that's when he got the most attention online. The best compromise that I think we could go with if we do rename the article is to rename the article "Chris-Chan", which is how most people refer to Chris regardless of the gender debate anyways. I don't think that telling editors to redirect to the feminine name while sticking to male pronouns (which is what we're sticking to for the sake of consistency) makes a whole lot of sense. Plus, the general news flashpoint where the Christine Weston Chandler name was highly publicized was when Chris got arrested; people aren't really paying attention now that Chris has been in the slammer for a few months. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 01:07, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
***Changing the title to match his current name wouldn't erase his history as Christian, the name would still be preserved in the article text. Editors could use the [[Chris]] redirect to link to this page. I don't think the article being named to Christine would affect the pronoun policy - Chris is still biologically a male. The jail custody record for example puts his name as Christine Weston Chandler and his gender as male. On the compromise of the Chris Chan stage name/nickname, I think it wouldn't match with articles about the rest of the Chandlers, like [[Bob Chandler]], [[Barbara Chandler]], which use their full names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:36, 4 February 2022 (UTC)
* Since we're split I think it might be worth looking at [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles/ Wikipedia guidelines for article titles] particularly [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Article_titles#Name_changes/ its section on name changes]. The guild states: "'' If the reliable sources written after the change is announced routinely use the new name, Wikipedia should follow suit and change relevant titles to match. If, on the other hand, reliable sources written after the name change is announced continue to use the established name, Wikipedia should continue to do so as well''" so if we go by this and we need to establish what is a "reliable source" in the context of this wiki, forum discussions, news articles, or Chris himself. The article also highlight five key characteristics of a good title: recognizability, naturalness, precision, concision, consistency which gives us five questions to ask:
**What is Chris's most recognizable name among readers both new and old?
**What are people most likley to search for?
**What name "unambiguously identifies the article's subject and distinguishes it from other subjects"?
**What name is no longer than necessary? (this one isn't that important, there's no way we're going to use Chris's full title)
**What name is consistent with the rest of the wiki?
:I could go ether way but I am leaning more towards keeping the name as is for the sake of consistency but I hope this guild might help make a final decision. [[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 17:28, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
*My vote is for renaming the article to just "Chris-Chan", using "Christopher, "Christian" and "Christine" as chronologically relevant throughout the article; I think this would be the best compromise between keeping things accurate in a legal sense and making it easy for people to find the article. I don't think it's necessary to edit other articles to reflect this. That being said, as a counter-argument to the original point, Chris's gender on his driver's license is listed as F (as can be seen in the background of Chris showing off his "woman card") and there's little support if any to change that. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 11:15, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

== Rename to Chris Chan? ==

This is probably a bit of a controversial idea, since the name of this page has been 'Christian Weston Chandler' since the start of the CWCki, but I really do think it would be a good change. Chris hasn't been Christian for years upon years by now, which makes this feel title feel dated. I also don't think a change to 'Christine Weston Chandler' would be good, because in the most cherished part of his history he was known as 'Christian'. I propose a rename to 'Chris Chan', which encompasses all Sagas in Chris's life, and is also the most popular thing to call him. The ED page is called 'Chris-chan', the Reddit page is called 'r/ChrisChanSonichu', and almost every social media post referring to him calls him 'Chris Chan'. [[User:Cereally|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally|talk]]) 19:43, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
:As pointed out above, it seems like we're sticking with CWC's GodBear-given name for the main space. I do think that other pages, like the one for Chris Chan Sonichu, need to be updated to be consistent with how his name is written elsewhere on this wiki. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 23:19, 6 August 2023 (EDT)

== Spanish Translation ==

I have created a Spanish language translation of Chris' article here:
https://sonichu.com/cwcki/User:Dormiebasne/Christian_Weston_Chandler_(espa%C3%B1ol)

Does anyone object to the creation of a small box around the beginning of this article in Spanish, advising a translation is available, accurate up to (insert date of revision taken as source material)?

[[User:Dormiebasne|Dormiebasne]] ([[User talk:Dormiebasne|talk]]) 09:13, 2 March 2024 (EST)

== Rolling Infobox Image ==

I think it's worth discussing whether it might be a good idea to implement a rolling infobox image of Chris, like is standard on other Wikis and Wikipedia. What this would mean is displaying [Http://www.sonichu.com/cwcki/File:Chris_with_his_100k_YouTube_Play_Button.jpg the most recent high-quality portrait photo of Chris] in the infobox, rather than the iconic photo of him wearing The Classic. I'd propose instead showing said photo at the start of the Overview section. [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 12:19, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
:I think the current image should be kept. I think the image does a good job of encapsulating golden age Chris and Chris posts high quality portraits inconsistently. [[User:BaboonRancher23|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23|talk]]) 13:19, 11 September 2024 (EDT)
:I'm sorry, but the golden age was 15 years ago and the perception that Chris has never left the golden age is seriously hurting everybody. Just look at the sales of the items on the Etsy store, do you think anyone on here even know what Praetor is? I think we should move on with the times and treat Chris like what he now is, a lolcow well past his prime.

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XelaBlueThunder: A closeup of the Kamala Harris sign picture Chris posted on Twitter on September 10. https://x.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1833598982544847328/photo/1 While the date is unknown, due to the sign, it must have been between September 8 and 10.

== Summary ==
A closeup of the Kamala Harris sign picture Chris posted on Twitter on September 10.
https://x.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1833598982544847328/photo/1
While the date is unknown, due to the sign, it must have been between September 8 and 10.

Talk:Barbara Chandler

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XelaBlueThunder: /* Proof of Barbara being alive. */ new section

Despite her being a slutty slutty slut whore earlier in her life, I truely feel sorry for barbera, she didnt deserve chris, or that squaler of her house. -[[User:CJB8895|Cody]]
* She didn't have to have a kid with Bob, she had Cole, and Bob had his kids. Though it probably wasn't documented in the early 80s, the fact that both of them were over 40 when Chris was born made the likelihood of him being born autistic higher. Plus, as mentioned everywhere else, Chris wasn't ''born'' Chris. Someone ''made'' him that way in those formative years. [[User:Isarko|Isarko]] 06:36, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

I feel like somewhere in this page it should be mentioned how her voice is identical to Chris'. In one prank call video I couldn't tell it was her until she referred to Bob as her husband. [[User:Sallyfox|Sallyfox]] 06:09, 25 December 2009 (CET)

GodJesus damn. Now I can easily see the effects of keeping around a 28 year old autistic manchild for so long. She looked a LOT better (and a lot less like Snorlax) in [[:File:0467-CWC18th20.jpg|this image]]. [[User:Pfargtl9000|Pfargtl9000]] 01:57, 12 April 2010 (UTC)
:It may be simply that she, like anyone who would have to put up with somebody like chris, just gave up on life. The picture with Desi pretty much says it all.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 07:05, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

==Death of Barb's father==

I'd like to point out [[http://genealogytrails.com/vir/charlotte/obits_w.html here]] is an obituary of Barb's father. Apparently, he died when she was 14. I think this info should be incorporated into the article somehow, but I'm not sure where to put it. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 18:20, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
*I could take a stab at it. --[[User:MissMeg|Miss Meg]] 18:26, 25 September 2011 (PDT)
*Ouch. What a way to go. I'd say find more information on Barb's background and make a new section, but until then, it would be best to keep this recorded for later use. [[User:LAG4U|LAG4U]] 20:44, 25 September 2011 (PDT)

==CWCipedia Ad==
Yeah. You know we need this in there. As well as the image and a space set aside for the reaction that she and Chris will inevitably give. Remember how he reacted when Megan in the original picture was mistaken as Crystal? Well this will induce 10 times the ammount of tard rage. ''From both of them''. Now thats something i'm going to want to see. Who else here wants to see Barbara do a youtube rant? --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 20:43, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
:I think you might be jumping the gun. Barbra's nowhere near as dumb or volatile as Chris, I doubt you'll see her on camera anytime soon.--[[User:Beat|Beat]] 22:02, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
*I can dream dammit! --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 22:05, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
* Chris's reaction to the new ad was an absolute letdown. All he said was to tell us to complain to Mao about the ad and he never even mentioned what kind of ad it was. I had to scroll through '''multiple''' pages, dodging that nasty ass picture just to find it. Thanks a lot for scarring us, whoever the fuck made that. --[[User:CWCAttack|CWCAttack]] 23:27, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
*I think that'll be Mao. Personally I think that its not much more disturbing than CWC's Rule 34 of Mary Lee Walsh. I'm more disturbed by the fact that after he tard raged so hard over the original shecameforCWC being mistaken for Crystal that hes all cool and calm about a huge detailed rendering of him doing the same thing to his elderly mother. And bear in mind that his mother is real, unlike Crystal. I think that says volumes about Chris. And his mother can't be too happy once she finds out, can she? Somehow I don't think he'll ever tell her though. Someone should call the Chandlers and inform them that porn of Barbara has surfaced on Chris's site. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 00:37, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
* Just wait him out. Speculation is that he might have not noticed the ad--he might have been holding up paper in front of the screen and isn't aware that the ad has changed. He spent 17 minutes making changes to templates, and then quit, which makes me think that he finally saw the image. Also, his last edit was changing a mailbag template--which gives me the feeling that he was about to answer one when he saw the ad. Or he might not have realized that it's supposed to be Snorlax.--[[User:MoarLurk|MoarLurk]] 03:51, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
*If he hasn't seen it yet (which is likely given his reaction so far) then I think that we'll be hearing all about this in his next few videos. And for years and years Chris will tell girls that he meets in the mall all about it, and oh the laughs that will be produced. I still think that we can expect some sort of reaction out of Barbara too. If he tells her. He might, given his policy on honesty. However his honesty also dictates that he'll lie about things to keep his parents happy. But mostly only if it benefits him. If he stands to lose from telling his parents then he won't tell them. So I think someone should call the Chandlers and tell them. Break it gently though, lest the lumberjack have another heart attack. --[[User:Edward|Edward]] 18:12, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

==Source is broken.==

In the citations, the sixth one, a PVCC thread, is not public information. --[[User:16BitAlex|16BitAlex]] 20:37, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

==Is this verifiable?==
I am not adding this yet because it's a pretty huge deal and I want to be 100% on it first. There's a user here-- I wish I could remember who-- whose userpage is full of various observations from people on /cwc/, #sonichu, PVCC etc. One of the posts from PVCC is the note that Chris sometimes sleeps (slept) with his mother. Not having sex. Obviously not. But apparently they'd watch movies together sitting on his bed, and then he'd sort of curl up next to her and fall asleep, with her asleep holding him. At first I couldn't believe it, but this is Chris. And if this is true it absolutely belongs on the page. It's pretty clear he has a strong Oedipal fixation on her (part of being stuck in a childlike state of development) and this makes sense.
I'll go hunt for the quote. In the meantime, can anyone corroborate this? It seems almost a bridge too far even for our manchild. [[User:Sygerrik|Sygerrik]] 10:17, 25 August 2010 (PDT)

:BAM found it. Here we go: "This is something I just learned from Ivy, and this corresponds with what a field agent has confirmed about Chris has seen with Chris getting 'touchy' around Snorlax when Bob isn't looking. It's - Chris likes to sleep with his mother. According to Ivy, what Snorlax will do is come into Chris's room, the two will watch movies and lay down on the bed as Chris holds her, then they both fall asleep. In his bed.They use to do it downstairs on the couch but Bob started bitching about it, telling Chris to grow up and such. Yes, this is very shocking and hard to believe. But considering the prevailing opinion is that Chris wants a mommy he can fuck, this adds a new level to this analysis. [. . .] I mean, Snorlax and Bob don't even sleep in the same room anymore, they've been married for some time and there's usually a point where a marriage becomes more of a friendship, and both Chris and Barb are both human in that they need some intimate contact and affection. But the thing is, while this is normal of small children to want to cuddle with their mothers, it's not fucking normal for 27 year olds to do this. And I think there's actually a period in childhood development (normal one, anyway) where a child learns that they can't have mommy all to themselves but they have to share her with daddy. Looks like Chris never really reached that realization. Freud would have a fucking field day with Chris. Seriously though, I imagine one day we will get Chris confirming this, as he makes a video saying 'Yes, I do sleep with my mother, but what child does not sleep their mothers at some point in their lives?'"
Apparently via Champthom. Champ, can you confirm? Did you say that/is it true? [[User:Sygerrik|Sygerrik]] 10:22, 25 August 2010 (PDT)
*You know, for some reason this fails to surprise me; It's only natural to expect this kinda behavior from Chris and Snorlax, though it is a bit more stimulating now we have an actual account for it. Awesome find. --[[User:EdtheHedgehog1894|EdtheHedgehog1894]] 13:29, 25 August 2010 (EST)
*See [[CWCki:PUBLICMEDIA]]. While my source is reliable, my source won't make this statement public and this is otherwise heresay which isn't a very firm evidence. While this is significant, I'd rather see this verified in some public fashion. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:36, 7 September 2010 (PDT)
:Just found this on YouTube, from a link on the article. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxGU4nSlX0M Keep it in or remove it?--[[User:Henry Bemis|Henry Bemis]] 23:35, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

==You are now aware==

[[image:youarenowaware.jpg|800px]]
[[User:CFA|CFA]] 21:09, 7 April 2011 (PDT)CFA
*slowpoke.jpg--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 21:12, 7 April 2011 (PDT)

==Barb: The root of the problem?==

I was reading over the Ivy Q&A thing, and apparently the first time Ivy called the Chandlers, Barb was at the phone asking her personal questions. I was thinking, maybe it's not Chris with the horribly high standards, but Barbara? I could totally see Barb enforcing high standards on Chris, not allowing him to date men or women of races other than his own, maybe she even told Chris to put down the single mom on Facebook. This is just a theory, but might anyone know whether or not there's any truth to it?
-- [[User:IcyHotWings|IcyHotWings]] --
* All I know is that this is not a forum.--[[User:Trombonista|trombonista]] 20:08, 6 July 2011 (PDT)

==Separation==

Do we have evidence that Barb and/or Bob had any desire to divorce/separate? The article section about her marriage to Bob suggests that his parents wanted to divorce but chose not to for Chris's sake. Source? Yes I get that we get the impression that Bob and Barb liked to spend time in separate rooms of their house, but so do many couples in "healthy" marriages, particularly if one, the other or both are considered to be elderly. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 23:57, 20 September 2011 (PDT)
: As far as anyone can tell they were just fossils. Neither would have a sex drive and they'd basically just be living with each other. If you were either one wouldn't you get the shits with the mannerisms of the other after almost 30 years raising Chris together? Supposedly they used to go out drinking but in their decaying state that wouldn't be an option, biologically or financially. If they divorced someone would give up pension/rent money and the house. If it was a marriage of convenience, fine. It would feel like stomping on Barb's grave to speculate on that kind of thing without evidence. [[User:Nullity|Nullity]] 02:00, 21 September 2011 (PDT)
::I ask specifically about whether they, or Barb herself, have ever said or directly implied that they would have separated/divorced if it were not for Chris - because currently the article implies this and lacks a source. --[[User:Anonymax|Anonymax]] 17:49, 21 September 2011 (PDT)
::: To answer your question: No, there is not any evidence that Barb or Bob said they wanted to divorce each other. Barb threatened to kill herself, but that was over Chris, not Bob. Hopes that helps --[[User:SargentPickles|SargentPickles]] 19:53, 21 September 2011 (PDT)

==Cole's father and the spaghetti incident==

Wasn't there some e-mail or something where Chris talks about how Barb was escaping some psychotic murderer and she slept with a random stranger who saved her and that's Cole's father? Likewise, we say something about the spaghetti incident, where Barb stopped cooking because she made spaghetti one night and Chris and Bob didn't feel like eating spaghetti. I can't recall the source for either of these though.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom|talk]]) 14:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
:That's how Jackie's half brother came into the world, not Cole. See [[Jackie E-mails 27|Jackie's email from 28 May 2011]]. As for the spaghetti incident, see [[Jackie E-mails 24|Chris's email from 23 April 2011]]. In a few minutes I'll add a mention of this incident to the article. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 15:57, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

==Are we sure that Barb doesn't have dementia?==

Title. Obviously, being a lifelong emotional manipulator, she's "played up" her senility for the camera, but Chris has mentioned it before and she's not getting any younger. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 06:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
:When did he mention it? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 07:11, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
:: [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04272017|Here]] and [[Live Game Stream - C-Log 04192017 - The Shirt|here]]. Chris didn't explicitly say that Barb had it, but Chris doesn't seem like the kind of person who would look up that kind of thing without outside influence. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 11:32, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
::: Looks like he picked up the term from a care-giving class. "Last three Wednesdays I've uh, been attending a care-giving classes over at the Martha Jefferson. Uh, to help- To expand my mind on uh, care-giving for my mom around here and there. That was good, I have definitely learned a lot in my noggin' and I have paper materials to help out with that. Among which a few of the highlights, uh, definitely learned more about uh, dementia and that being the umbrella term for all the mental conditions and what not." He seems to talk about it like an interesting word he learned rather than being about Barb specifically, and he tried applying it to himself for a bit. He denied that Barb had dementia [[August 2019 social media posts#Barb ain't dead yet + Magi-Chan's likes|a couple years after]] (at the end of tweet chain). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:21, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
:::: Bruh. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 05:41, 3 August 2021 (UTC)

== New video page? ==

Should a new video page be made for the [https://no-cookie.kiwifarms.net/data/video/2557/2557224-a4a0da418db8b2ce05837b311a529fb3.mp4 video of a fan briefly talking to Barb]? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 02:45, 22 September 2021 (UTC)
:I put it under [[Fan visits]] for now. I don't really see a reason to give it its own page at this time, although additional content for explaining who made the video would be greatly appreciated. [[User:KingClark|KingClark]] ([[User talk:KingClark|talk]]) 06:50, 22 September 2021 (UTC)

== "Borb"? ==

Dammit even the page is listing "Borb" as one of her nicknames.

Borb never referred to Barb, it refers to both her and Bob. Can we delet this?

:Fixed it, also use 4 ~'s after your comment to generate a signature. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 01:57, 3 November 2021 (UTC)

==New article?==
What if an article for [[Chris and Barbara's post-incest relationship]] is made? Judging from Chris's jail letters, there's a significant change in how the two view each other. Since this is something that would be fitting for both the Chris and Barb articles, maybe one article could be made for it, and linked to on their respective articles? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:50, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
:I'd recommend adding a section to [[Affair with Mother]] until there is enough to warrant having it own article. --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 04:06, 3 August 2022 (UTC)
::Yeah, it's not good practice to make an article just because somethings seems notable. In my opinion, we should start just putting a section in Barb's article.[[User:PsychoNerd054|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 12:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

== Cooking ==

In [[The Place chats - Ben Saint]] from 2019, Chris said, "And I told Barbara to kill the spicy foods for a while." Could this mean Barb was doing some cooking for Chris? The article currently says she "has not made a meal for Chris since" the spaghetti incident. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:53, 25 January 2023 (EST)

== Outdated ==

Several sections of this article are outdated, especially pertaining to incest, jail, and post-jail sagas. Some lines in this article rely on dubious sources. For example, "apparently appearing more rattled than usual," is based on some dumbass weens showing up on Barb's doorstep asking her stupid questions. And "a letter from Chris confirmed that Barb is suffering from a "falling mentality"" probably needs context that Chris was writing that from an angry mood. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 12 February 2024 (EST)

== Proof of Barbara being alive. ==

Barb is visible in the latest pic Chris took on Twitter. (https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-19307505)
Due to the plaque not being seen in the ween visit on September 8 (https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1fcfpjq/visited_the_temple_today/), it means that the visit, and, due to this, the sighting, happened on either the 9th or 10th. 8th is possible, but I have no idea when the pictures were taken. It could only work if they were done before the afternoon.
This is also relevant because of the previous sightings.
Most of them (except the July 16th one) happened around the same date.
November 7, September 4-9, ect. (https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-19306744)
I find it to be relevant information and would like it to be added to the CWCki. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 18:40, 10 September 2024 (EDT)

Talk:Joe Biden

2024-09-10T22:28:35Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Rewrite of Harris part. */ new section

== Relevant? ==

Biden doesn't seem to be very relevant to Chris, he's only mentioned him a couple times, and most of this article is about Trump. Maybe this would be better as a redirect to [[Pmurt]]? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 23:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
:The Election itself warrants its own article, especially if Chris confirms that he did vote for Lisa Simpson (see [[User:Anaxis/CWC Questions Depository]]).
:I am leaning on '''keeping''' Joe Biden for now, because Chris will inevitably mention him (whether or not he asserts that Lisa is the president in C-197): however, it is going to need a rewrite to reduce duplication. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 07:35, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
::I second this. We have articles on [[George W. Bush|every]] [[Barack Obama|president]] [[Pmurt|since]] George W. Bush, so there's no reason to end that tradition. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 08:43, 9 November 2020 (UTC)

:The tradition should only be maintained if there's enough relevance. Bush, Obama and Trump have been mentioned by Chris enough times and in humorous enough ways to warrant articles. Which isn't the case with Biden so far. I just think we should avoid going too off-topic with the political stuff since Chris himself barely cares about it. [[Lisa Simpson]] would probably be a better article for the CWCki's scope; Biden/the 2020 election can be mentioned in it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:56, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
::It depends on whether the Dimensional Merge is completed before noon today in DC (see [[Discord Q&A 5#Operation of CWCville's Government|Discord Q&A 5, "Operation of CWCville's Government" section]]). So far, Chris has not yet proclaimed the "completion of it", and it is possible that he may have to [[January 2019 social media posts#On not going to MAGFest|backtrack]] on it like the previous attempt. That is why I am waiting for further developments before making a final decision on it. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:06, 20 January 2021 (UTC)
::'''Update:''' according to [[January 2021 social media posts#Congrats, Joe Biden]], the US now appears to have co-presidents in the ''Sonichu'' universe. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 23:43, 20 January 2021 (UTC)

== Rewrite of Harris part. ==

Chris wasn't silent about her and he is now very pro Kamala. It's just that he doesn't tweet about politics nowadays. He never once brought up Trump after returning to the internet.

OfficialCWCmart

2024-09-07T11:56:06Z

XelaBlueThunder:

{{Protip|Buying items from Chris is not recommended, knowing his history of [[Chris and money|financial irresponsibility]], [[Chris and negligence|neglect]], and [[Financhu_Crisis#Why you shouldn't donate to Chris|failure to keep customers' information private]], as well as Praetor's history of shady behavior.}}
{{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards.}}
'''[https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart OfficialCWCmart]''' is an [[Etsy]] storefront created by [[Praetor]], who are partnered with Chris to sell items.

The store was originally operated by an account named "Praetor";<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210105201409/https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart</ref> the account name was changed to "Christine Chandler"<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231016202041/https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart</ref> in [[2023]] after Chris's release from [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]].

Chris has, or at least had, access to the account, as seen in some of the [[Etsy Comments Review]] videos which show him logged into it. At least one member of Praetor appears to also still have access as of August 2024 - a response to a customer's negative review was left which referred to Christine in the third person.{{cite}} Many users have also reported either being ghosted or getting a reply from someone other than Chris while trying to contact Christine via the Etsy seller contacting option.

Below are listings which have appeared on the shop.

==First Items==
===Official Chris Chan Sonichu Medallion (1st Run)===
*Listed: 7 [[December 2020]]
*Price: $25 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20201211181240/https://www.etsy.com/listing/904683630/official-chris-chan-sonichu-medallion</ref>

{{quotebox|For a limited time you can get these, the very first approved, certified, and personally blessed Sonichu medallions. If you have bought a medallion from any place other than Chris Chan, now you have the chance to actually buy the only official personally approved medallions. These are the first run of the mass-produced Christine Weston Chandler medallions. Limited quantity; order now!

(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)
[[File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|150px|center]]}}

Chris advertised the run on Twitter on 11 December 2020.<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Praetor sells medallions]]</ref> The medallions are of a much worse quality than those produced only by Chris, and have received backlash from [[weens]] and concerned [[fans]]. Chris told them to count their blessings and assured them they will be of high quality, despite the page selling the medallions stating that "these are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality."

===Golden Church of Sonichu Medallion (1st Run)===
*Listed: 23 [[February 2021]];<ref>[[February 2021 social media posts#Golden Church of Sonichu Medallion]]</ref> relisted 15 [[March 2021]]<ref>https://archive.ph/Pe4Sj</ref>
*Price: $60

{{quotebox|*Handmade

The Golden Medallion, featuring:

- Limited Run Golden Sonichu Medallion
- Autographed Certificate of Authentication, straight from the printer of Christine Chandler herself

Own today the rarest run of Medallions to date, and get access to the Glorious [[Golden Church of Sonichu]]. Join our discord to aid in projects, hear Words of Wisdom from our Goddess, and gain membership into the Church itself. To join, simply purchase a medallion and send the four digit access code included on the certificate to llcpraetor [!at] gmail.com, or send us a message on Etsy.

Join the only True and Honest group around. Join The Golden Church.

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===Meditation Stones===
*Listed: 15 [[April 2021]]
*Price: $45<ref>[[April 2021 social media posts#Etsy stuff]]</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20210415234054/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1001861737/meditation-stones</ref>

{{quotebox|Meditation Stones

*Handmade
*Vintage from the 1900s
*Materials: Rocks, Burlap, Stones, Crystals

These are Meditation Crystals accompanied by stones from the One and Only Temple, Goddess Christine Weston Chandler's home, All of which are imbued with Christine’s energy and Rainbow Aura. Also includes Certificates of Authenticity with Christine’s signature. Contains one meditation crystal and 4-6 stones from the [[14 Branchland Court|temple]].

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On 29 [[May 2021]], the price of the rocks and crystals were lowered to $20. The description of the listing was also updated to say that one buyer would supposedly get a free book about Chris and Andy Warhol.

{{quotebox|For a limited time, one gem pack will also come with a copy of Don Lashomb's "Warhol/Chris Chan," a novel about the Goddess. Buy now for your chance to win!}}

==Jail Saga Items==
====Medallions====
{{See also|Jail Medallion Promotions}}
=====Official Chris Chan Sonichu Medallion (Final Run) (2nd run)=====
*Listed: 11 [[May 2022]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220516030430/https://www.etsy.com/listing/904683630/official-chris-chan-sonichu-medallion</ref>
*Price $40 (sold out)

{{quotebox|After Christine Chandler's arrest, the store was closed and all remaining merchandise was put in storage either within the Chandler residence or within a rented storage cube. While the waters calmed, there the medallions sat. Waiting.

After much conversation with Christine, these medallions have been brought back to be sold, taken off our hands and hearts. Until the point that Christine is released or made publicly accessible again, no others will be produced. These are the last ones.

Below is a small recorded message from Christine endorsing these medallions.

[''links to [[Jail Medallion Promotions#Official Chris Chan Sonichu Medallion|Official Chris Chan Sonichu Medallion]] audio'']

God be with ye in these trying times.

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=====Sonichu Medallion, Handmade by CWC (1st run)=====
*Listed: 4 [[May 2022]];<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220504091805/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1212034092/sonichu-medallion-handmade-by-cwc</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220505031431/https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart</ref> relisted 16 [[September 2023]]<ref name=flavor></ref>
*Price: $70 (4 [[May 2022]]); $85 (16 [[September 2023]])

In contrast to the regular medallions, these medallions were apparently made by Chris. The medallions are of a [[art|noticeably different style]] compared to their cheaper counterparts and are adorned with Chris's signature on the back, so their description may very well be truthful.

A handcrafted medallion was included with each purchase of "Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robes." The robes came in two sizes. Red robes were large, while blue robes were extra large. No smaller sizes were offered, as "Golden Church members were assumed to be naturally, uh, [[obesity|large people]]."<ref>https://www.etsy.com/listing/1210942858/golden-church-of-sonichu-cult-robes</ref> A yellow mask with red Sonichu-style cheeks was also bundled with each robe.

{{quotebox|A handmade and autographed medallion by Christine Chandler herself.

These were made in a matter of only a couple months before the arrest. In preparation for the release of a Chris Chan twitch channel and the eventual release of a new comic we had gotten him to begin making, these medallions were meant to be a new wave of merch. Unfortunately, both the channel and comic were promptly cut short for obvious reasons.

Below is a link to a recorded part of a phone call with CWC, endorsing said medallions. [''links to [[Jail Medallion Promotions#Sonichu Medallion, Handmade by CWC|Sonichu Medallion, Handmade by CWC]] audio'']

Getting Christine to make new medallions was very difficult. This effort will not be wasted. Buy one today, and receive enlightenment.

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In a later relisting, Praetor noted:<ref name=flavor>https://web.archive.org/web/20230916144638/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1212034092/sonichu-medallion-handmade-by-cwc</ref>

{{quotebox|(NOTE: Christine Chandler packed the majority of these herself. Multiple reviews have mentioned finding hairs/odd smells on packages. We cannot guarantee whether your package will be ever truly sanitary, as we do not open them to preserve Christine's products best as possible. Enjoy your extra flavor bits.)}}

=====Megastone Medallions, made by CWC=====
*Listed: 17 [[May 2022]]
*Price: $115 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220521175255/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1211992490/megastone-medallions-made-by-cwc</ref>

The most expensive of the medallions, the megastone medallions were a variant of the handcrafted medallions. In addition to being signed by Chris, the back of the medallions contained a "megastone" which [[Jail_Medallion_Promotions#Megastone_Medallion|Chris verbally claimed to]] "have personally blessed and programmed each and every one of." As such, wearers could [[Magical thinking|"really […] feel the spiritual aura and charge and vibrations within]]."

{{quotebox|These medallions are much like the standard medallions Chris Chan made, with the addition of a Megastone for channeling power in their backs. This makes them nearly identical to the original Sonichu Medallion worn by Christine, and very unique in this fashion.

These were made in a matter of only a couple months before the arrest. In preparation for the release of a Chris Chan twitch channel and the eventual release of a new comic we had gotten him to begin making, these medallions were meant to be a new wave of merch. Unfortunately, both the channel and comic were promptly cut short for obvious reasons.

Below is a link to a recording of Christine endorsing the medallions.

[''links to [[Jail Medallion Promotions#Megastone Medallions, made by CWC|Megastone Medallions, made by CWC]] audio'']

Getting Christine to make new medallions was very difficult. This effort will not be wasted. Buy one today, and receive enlightenment.

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=====Golden Church of Sonichu Medallion (2nd run)=====
*Listed: 28 [[April 2022]]
*Price: $100 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231108072748/https://www.etsy.com/listing/953584000/golden-church-of-sonichu-medallion?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

After Chris was arrested, the [[Golden Church of Sonichu]] Discord server became inactive. A second wave of Golden Sonichu Medallions, this time unsigned and not created by Chris, were listed in [[2022]]. These golden medallions did not come with a code to join the Discord, but still came with a printed Certificate of Authentication.

{{quotebox|The Golden Medallion, featuring:

-Autographed Golden Sonichu Medallion
-Autographed Certificate of Authentication, straight from the printer of Christine Chandler herself

This is the last of the golden medallions. After Christine's arrest, all extra merchandise from the store was put in storage either at the Chandler Residence or in a local storage rental shed. As the waters have quieted lately, we've brought what we have left out of hiding. The end of an era.

NOTE: When the Golden Medallions were first introduced, they functioned as a ticket into Christine's Golden Sonichu Discord, the beginnings of her attempt at crowdfunding an actual church. This is no longer the case.

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=====Golden Sonichu Medallion with Autograph (2nd run)=====
*Listed: 7 [[January 2023]];<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20230211141339/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1297604629/golden-sonichu-medallion-with-autograph?click_key=3bf1685acf99f5625752564042e3e8f949c9c8ee%3A1297604629&click_sum=a3ebeab8&ref=shop_home_recs_6</ref> relisted 5 [[October 2023]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231108014953/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1297604629/golden-sonichu-medallion-with-autograph?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>
*Price: $60 (sold out)

After Chris was arrested, the [[Golden Church of Sonichu]] Discord server became inactive. A second wave of Golden Sonichu Medallions, this time unsigned and not created by Chris, were listed in [[2022]]. These golden medallions did not come with a code to join the Discord, but still came with a printed Certificate of Authentication.

{{quotebox|This is a new run of Golden Church of Sonichu Medallions, mass produced under Christine's direction for the Etsy store. Fans may remember that before the Jail Saga Chris sold these medallions as a means to enter his private discord, the Golden Church of Sonichu. As his views on his universe grew more theocratic he began to push to have his followers take a more reverent tone with him, hence the religious name.

To raise funds for important spiritual icons like Discord Nitro, Golden Medallions were sold with numbers and autographs on them. Buyers could send the numbered code into our email to get a link to Christine's discord church. After the arrest the Discord was abandoned, and obviously no longer included Christine.

As such no medallions sold will gain access to the discord. However, each still comes with a signed authentication certificate from Christine. These were printed and signed by her in bulk, as they are meant to supplement multiple kinds of merchandise.

[PACKAGE INCLUDES] 
-One unsigned Golden Medallion 
-One autographed authentication certificate
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====Jail Art====
{{Main|Praetor Jail Art}}
Chris has created original drawings during his stay in jail and given them to Praetor to sell, beginning in early [[2022]]. Chris continued to send art to Praetor even after his case was sealed in [[August 2022]], making them the only outside individuals with whom he has had confirmed contact since then. However, Chris has not sent out any new drawings since 26 [[November 2022]].

====Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robe====
*Listed: 25 [[March 2022]]
*Price: $100 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231031131502/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1210942858/golden-church-of-sonichu-cult-robe-red?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231031132535/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1447107545/golden-church-of-sonichu-robes-blue?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>
*Options: [RED, LARGE], [BLUE, EXTRA LARGE]

{{quotebox|Before Christine's arrest, she requested that robes be purchased to make her a more regal outfit befitting her human form. We naturally enthusiastically agreed, and set about purchasing robes that followed her very specific instructions.

She requested that red and blue robes be brought about, to match the classic CWC shirt pattern. These robes would then be sent to her most devoted followers within her Golden Church of Sonichu discord. Masks were suggested and added to the garb for follower anonymity.

Christine's personal robe was to be white, adorned with crystals and talismans. When the robes arrived, they had incredibly pointed hoods as can be seen in the pictures. For obvious reasons, Christine's robes were scrapped and a new design began to be debated.

When Christine was arrested, the robes were just about prepared. They had to come under storage, as followers of the Golden Church scattered like roaches. Now here they are, brought back to light.

NOTE: 1 OF EACH COLOR LEFT

-Red Robe w/hood 
-Sonichu Mask 
-Rope Belt 
-Handmade by CWC herself, a signed Sonichu Medallion

Buy this most glorious outfit, and feel finally connected to our fallen goddess.

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====Chris Chan Arrowheads====
*Listed: 30 [[April 2022]]
*Price: $15 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231103002001/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1210956154/chris-chan-arrowheads?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|Arrowheads collected by Christine Chandler, now available for sale!

Whether these are real Native American arrowheads is hard to say. Many may be aware of Chris Chan's unique relationship to the Cherokee people, which if anything fully authenticates these in our personal opinion.

Feel the Great Spirit move through you, buy today!

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====Chris Chan Rock Centerpiece====
*Listed: 30 [[April 2022]]
*Price: $20 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231103003041/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1224873303/chris-chan-rock-centerpiece?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|A favorite rock from Christine Chandler's collection. Buyers will receive this stone and all of the blessings/kisses Chris bestowed upon it.

Chris informed us he kissed this one an awful lot. We see this as a bonus.
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====Sacred Crystals from the CWC collection====
*Listed: 30 [[April 2022]]
*Price: $15 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231103063513/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1224865915/sacred-crystals-from-the-cwc-collection?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|Before the arrest, Christine had personally blessed and sanctioned certain rocks/crystals for sale. Coming to you out of storage in the CWC temple, the following crystals are included:

In order: rose quartz, moonstone, tourmaline, amythyst, and pyrite.

Bless up today.
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====Chris Chan's Sacred Fossils====
*Listed: 30 [[April 2022]]
*Price: $20 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231103062953/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1224870045/chris-chans-sacred-fossils?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|These are a set of framed fossils from Chris Chan's rock/crystal collection. All 3 are included, along with case.

Christine's divine influence is as ancient as these fossils. Now you too can feel the power.
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====Christine Chandler's Fidget Spinner====
*Listed: 1 [[May 2022]]
*Price: $15 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231103001430/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1211182280/christine-chandlers-fidget-spinner?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|A fidget spinner from Christine. Did she make it? Was it willed into existence by her divine power, to sit and aid her in her musings?

Maybe. Buy it, and see if it works its magic.}}

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====Chris Chan Taser====
*Listed 2 [[May 2022]]
*Price $40 (sold out)<ref>https://archive.ph/1DfR4</ref>

{{quotebox|Recent Christorians may recall the [[Taser]] Incident, where the Praetor group while working with Christine posted images of tasers onto their respective Instagrams and Twitters. Through leaked chats and discussion, it was hypothesized that the Praetor group was planning to tase Chris on video. This lead to a flurry of drama and doxing, and the tasers were forgotten.

The tasers had originally been intended for sale, as signed ones would be put out for purchase. To negate negative attention, they were boxed and stored away to wait until the smoke cleared. Now, these zappy little buggers are available for sale once again!

Each Taser is hand signed by Christine herself, emblazoned with her autograph and the iconic phrase "Zappin' it Up!" Per Christine's suggestion.

Now you too can zap it to the extreme. Handle with care, while these are collectables they can be recharged and may have residual charge left over.

Package comes with:
-Autographed Taser
-Charging cable

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====The Secret Listing====
*Listed 10 [[March 2023]]
*Price: $40.00 (sold out)

{{quotebox|This listing was taken down earlier. This item features an authentic Chandler autograph, but we cannot go into detail due to Etsy policy guidelines. For more info, please DM us here on Etsy or at IIcpraetor [!at] gmail.com.

Thank you.

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It was revealed in the [[March 2023 Praetor Interview]] that 'The Secret Listing' was in fact a [[Taser]], put up as 'The Secret Listing' in hopes that Etsy wouldn't take it down.

====Andy Warhol, Chris Chan: CWC signed copy====
*Listed 4 [[May 2022]]
*Price $40 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231031022804/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1212088570/andy-warhol-chris-chan-cwc-signed-copy?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|[[Warhol/Chris Chan|Dr. Don Lashomb writes this compelling novel]], comparing artist Andy Warhol and visionary Christine Chandler. The parallels between them become uncanny.

This is a signed copy of the novel, autographed by Christine herself. Dr. Don calls Christine a misunderstood individual, who's art will only receive justice when it sells for millions. We're sure he still fully supports Christine, and love him for it.

Show Don your support here:
https://donalashomb.wordpress.com/contact/

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====Custom Commissions: LIMITED NUMBER ACCEPTED====
*Listed 27 [[May 2022]]
*Price $200 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231108014837/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1225709390/custom-commissions-limited-number?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|Christine has agreed to fulfill commissions in limited numbers. Drawings will be framed portraits done via letter paper. These are the guidelines as laid by Christine.

-Any subject accepted, not just Sonichu 
-Christine can accept or reject drawings as she sees fit 
-Drawings may not appear exactly as described. Expect possible error.

Time frames are extremely variable. You must relay your description to our page so I can relay it to Christine, who must draw the art and mail it back to me to pass to you. Expect longer wait times.

If any questions are had, please message our page.}}

====Chris Chan Signed Certificate and Sonic Gfuel====
*Listed 29 [[August 2022]]
*Price $20 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20220829213415/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1274965108/chris-chan-signed-certificate-and-sonic</ref>

{{quotebox|Before Christine's arrest, the idea of selling a Chris Chan soda was tossed around. Chris came up with several flavors and ideas, even pitching a love potion of sorts involving spring water and hunks of easily digestible rose quartz. The most easily sellable idea we pitched back was "Cremé de Fanta", a tongue in cheek soda which would be poured into wine bottles, corked, labelled, and sold.

The recipe was Orange Fanta, Sonic Gfuel, Non-dairy cream, and a little flavorless gelatin powder for a more authentic consistency. We're sure you get the idea here.

After the arrest, much like most of the items we were prepping for sale this delicious beverage was scrapped. We now bring you some of the many cans kept in storage at Christine's home for the mixing of our drinks. Along with this we are including a pre-signed authentication certificate made by Christine.

NOTE: CANS ARE SEALED AND NOT SIGNED. ONLY CERTIFICATES ARE SIGNED, ONE CERTIFICATE PER CAN, ONE CAN PER PURCHASE

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====Temple of Sonichu Sacred Rocks (1st run)====
*Listed: 23 [[September 2022]]
*Price: $15 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20221007135250/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1225994563/temple-of-sonichu-sacred-rocks</ref>

{{quotebox|These canvas sacks hold glorious gravel, hand-picked by Christine for distribution from her sacred driveway.

Each bag also holds 1-2 crystals/rocks from Chris's personal hoard for maximum blessing.

These were made ages ago for the original store. When the store closed due to Christine's arrest, they were stowed away. Now they have returned, just for you. Each includes a signed certificate from Christine authenticating the bag as filled with not just driveway gravel, but her love.

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==Post-Jail Saga Items==
===Post Jail Medallions===
On 16 [[October 2023]] Praetor began selling a new version of the handmade medallion, now autographed by "Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime", as well as a third run of the regular medallions.

====Official Chris Chan Sonichu Medallion (3rd run)====
*Listed: 16 [[October 2023]];<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231016222543/https://www.etsy.com/listing/904683630/official-chris-chan-sonichu-medallion</ref> relisted 3 [[November 2023]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231103153041/https://www.etsy.com/listing/904683630/official-chris-chan-sonichu-medallion?click_key=a1da3ca037fffe65dbebca08c4e2b2439087db7c%3A904683630&click_sum=4e83692d&ref=shop_home_active_7</ref>
*Price: $35

{{quotebox|Christine's return to the world heralds a new age, and these True and Authentic medallions will see you through such trying times.

Christine has stated a mission of spreading herself to as many people as possible, with these mass produced medallions being a method of delivery. Handcrafted to her specifications and with her blessing, these are made in Virginia on an assembly line hired and run by her and her alone.

The below message endorses these as having been touched by her magicks, and was recorded while incarcerated.

[''links to [[Jail Medallion Promotions#Official Chris Chan Sonichu Medallion|Official Chris Chan Sonichu Medallion]] audio'']

God be with ye in these trying times.

(NOTE: THESE DO NOT COME WITH CERTIFICATE OR AUTOGRAPH)

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====Sonichu Medallion, Handmade by CWC (2nd run)====
*Listed: 16 [[October 2023]]
*Price: $85<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231016222529/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1212034092/sonichu-medallion-handmade-by-cwc</ref>
{{quotebox|A handmade and autographed medallion by Christine Chandler herself. The provided description comes from Chris directly:

"None more authentic, none more True and Honest. Produced by I, Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime, who have personally molded, painted and signed these select Sonichu Medallions even more personally blessed with Light Power, Righteousness and energies from the Core and Matrix of everything that exists in this Timeline and all of the other Timelines inspired and manifested from it. Feel the Divine and all powers with the share of energies I physically put into these. Also, to mention, all of the other Medallions that have been made and sold on this store have been personally blessed and authorized by I as well. You just get more than a bit more with these particular ones."

A recorded endorsement has also been provided. [''links to [[Jail Medallion Promotions#Sonichu Medallion, Handmade by CWC|Sonichu Medallion, Handmade by CWC]] audio'']

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====Handmade Sonichu Medallion, WITH MEGASTONE====
*Listed: 23 [[January 2024]]; relisted 9 [[February 2024]]
*Price: $100 ([[January 2024]]);<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240123183513/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1664007409/handmade-sonichu-medallion-with</ref> $110 ([[February 2024]])<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240209061238/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1664007409/handmade-sonichu-medallion-with?click_key=ed52438dd84933c069146cabb5e440d7b0f9b2fe%3A1664007409</ref>

{{quotebox|Handmade Handpainted Sonichu Medallion by Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime. Includes polished quartz Megastone, just the same as the very medallion CWC wears.

Every medallion is signed and comes with authentication certificate.

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===Warhol/Chris Chan Handmade Book Jackets - Handmade by CWC===
*Listed: 21 [[October 2023]]
*Price: $15 (sold out)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231031022459/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1589193753/warholchris-chan-handmade-book-jackets?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>

{{quotebox|These are handcrafted book jackets by Christine Weston Chandler made exclusively to be put on Don Lashomb's "[[Warhol/Chris Chan]]."

A description by Chris Chan has been included on the sidebar, as well as each being autographed by CWC. All were personally made and laminated. (NOTE: THIS IS JUST A JACKET, BOOK NOT INCLUDED) }}

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===Neo Spiritual Mantra===
*Listed: 5 [[March 2023]];<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20230308031923/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1225117587/chris-chan-jail-art-neo-spiritual-mantra</ref> relisted 17 [[October 2023]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231101154214/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1225117587/chris-chan-jail-art-neo-spiritual-mantra?show_sold_out_detail=1&ref=nla_listing_details</ref>
*Price: $20.00+ (sold out)

{{quotebox|This is authentic art by Christine Weston Chandler, done while being held in Orange County Jail. These are prayer mantras, meant to be put about one's house and celebrate Jesus Christine Chandler.

Due to limited resources while incarcerated, Christine has drawn each on the back of a soda wrapper.

In package:
- 1 prayer wrapper, laminated or as is. Lamination will add an upcharge of $5.00

(It should be noted that the amount available will change, as Chris mails out art sporadically.)}}

{{collapsible|Description from 17 October 2023 relisting|Neo Spiritual Mantra (LIMITED STOCK)

This is authentic art by Christine Weston Chandler, done while being held in Orange County Jail. These are prayer mantras, meant to be put about one's house and celebrate Jesus Christine Chandler.

Due to limited resources while incarcerated, Christine had drawn each on the back of a soda wrapper.

In package:
- 1 prayer wrapper, laminated or as is. Lamination will add an upcharge of $5.00

NOTE ON STOCK: As Christine is no longer incarcerated, the need to limit art to the things scrounged from prison trash is no longer required. This means more traditional art will soon be appearing on the store, but these wrapper pieces will soon be gone forever.}}

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===Temple of Sonichu Sacred Rocks (2nd run)===
*Listed: 20 [[October 2023]];<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231020121720/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1225994563/temple-of-sonichu-sacred-rocks</ref> relisted 31 [[October 2023]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231101145421/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1225994563/temple-of-sonichu-sacred-rocks?click_key=c6f57e43f179ca2077f7bbdaf5747312ff254b4e%3A1225994563&click_sum=7eec21c9&ref=shop_home_active_3&crt=1</ref>
*Price: $15

{{quotebox|These canvas sacks hold glorious gravel, hand-picked by Christine for distribution from her sacred driveway.

Each bag also holds 1-2 crystals/rocks from Chris's personal hoard for maximum blessing, as well as miscellaneous polished rocks and gravel. The amount of bowls filled with polished fishbowl bedding owned by Christine was far more than one could even guess.

Each includes a signed certificate from Christine authenticating the bag as filled with not just driveway or flowerbed gravel, but her love.

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File:Temple of Sonichu Sacred Rocks (redbg).jpg|20 October listing photo
File:Temple of Sonichu Sacred Rocks.jpg|31 October listing photo
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}}

===Spiritual Talismans===
*Price: $25 (sold out); $30 (1 [[November 2023]] relisting)

{{quotebox|Spiritual Talismans, LIMITED STOCK

These pieces are framed talismans Christine creates and hangs around her cells and rooms. Christine states that they ward off "Bad spirits, negative vibrations, and hateful trolls."

Due to her limited materials provided to her, talismans are created out of paper scrap and the cut out bottoms of foam cups.

Ward off evil and invite Chandler energy into your life. Each additionally comes with a real signed authentication certificate, originally signed in preparation for a release of crystals blessed by Christine. As this did not come to pass due to the arrest, they are now repurposed here.

NOTE ON STOCK: As Christine is no longer incarcerated, the need to limit art to the things scrounged from prison trash is no longer required. This means more traditional art will soon be appearing on the store, but these prison cup pieces will soon be gone forever.}}

{{collapsible|Description from 1 November 2023|These pieces are framed talismans Christine creates and hangs around her home and rooms. Christine states that they ward off "Bad spirits, negative vibrations, and hateful trolls."

These are made of paper and foam. All of the foam cup bottoms come from the jail, as they had been periodically mailed in when Chris was previously incarcerated.

Ward off evil and invite Chandler energy into your life. Each additionally comes with a real signed authentication certificate by CWC.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20231101151311/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1211179552/chris-chan-jail-art-spiritual-talismans?click_key=49faa411fb2cfe9224256475afb980b92283eab1%3A1211179552&click_sum=dce8b320&ref=shop_home_active_2&crt=1</ref>}}

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===2021 Lost Commissions===
{{main|2021 Lost Commissions}}

===Chaos Crystal Control Act 4 Art Series===
{{main|Chaos Crystal Control Act 4}}

===Commissions===
{{main|Praetor Commissions}}

===SONICHU: Autographed Print Comic===
====vol 0-3====
*Listed: 19 [[January 2024]]
*Price: $30 (each book);<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240119125459/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1660961757/sonichu-vol-0-autographed-print-comic</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240119130722/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1646781266/sonichu-vol-1-autographed-print-comic</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240119130249/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1660964331/sonichu-vol-2-autographed-print-comic?click_key=9ec369da49743765e1cb6948d8e4af24f1f39db6%3A1660964331&click_sum=9ee731c3&ref=shop_home_active_5</ref><ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240119130444/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1646785850/sonichu-vol-3-autographed-print-comic?click_key=fefc8c2bc3f829d7be0bf40688488956d51b79d9%253A1646785850</ref> $85 (COMBO DEAL: Sonichu Vol. 0, 1, 2, and 3)<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240119130939/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1646794572/combo-deal-sonichu-vol-0-1-2-and-3</ref>

{{collapsible|vol 0 description|The original first book that introduces Sonichu, Rosechu and the city of Cwcville. 48 Pages.

Personally autographed and signed.

-Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime}}

{{collapsible|vol 1 description|Sonichu encounters a clone that was made of his DNA from his encounter with Naitsirhc. 50 Pages.

Personally autographed and signed.

-Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime}}

{{collapsible|vol 2 description|Christian Chandler of Cwcville, an old friend, and her ex-boyfriend, end up finding out they're half-Sonichu. 48 Pages.

Personally autographed and signed.

-Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime}}

{{collapsible|vol 3 description|The fateful meeting and getting together of the fab five, out of the many Special Sonichus and Rosechus, who make up the Chaotic Combo. 48 Pages.

Personally autographed and signed.

-Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime}}

{{collapsible|COMBO DEAL description|A True and Honest Deal: First 4 Sonichu comics, personally autographed by Christine Weston Chandler.

PACK CONTAINS: 
- Sonichu Vol. 0, 48pg 
- Sonichu Vol. 1, 50pg 
- Sonichu Vol. 2, 48pg 
- Sonichu Vol. 3, 48pg}}

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===Sonic Totem Minis - Handpainted + Authenticity Certificate===
*Listed: 20 [[January 2024]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240120215454/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1661938295/sonic-totem-minis-handpainted</ref>
*Price: $35

{{quotebox|3D printed, personally hand-painted and blessed, these little [[Sonic Totem]]s based off the original art piece made from paper mache and a big tube are simple and elegant in their quirky charm. Each painted one is a unique piece that will make you feel content in appreciating that all are and can be good and light powered, even if visibly different. Each comes also with a signed authentication certificate. -Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu Prime.

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===Sonichu Amiibo HANDMADE BY CWC===
*Listed: 31 [[March 2024]]<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20240331181137/https://www.etsy.com/listing/1705701169/sonichu-amiibo-handmade-by-cwc</ref>
* Price: $75,<ref>[[:File:Praetor Sonichu Amiibo $75.jpg]]</ref> then relisted to $70 shortly afterwards, then reduced to $45 on 15 [[July 2024]]
{{quotebox|Sonichu Amiibo inspired by my personal Sonichu Amiibo figure, personally blessed, painted and signed by Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime. This figure does not have Amiibo functionality.

COMES WITH
- one printed painted and signed resin figure
- one authentication certificate

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{{References}}
{{Articleofthenow}}
{{BusinessList}}
{{PraetorSaga}}
[[Category:Collaborations involving Chris]]

Template:Christory/September 04

2024-09-03T19:50:57Z

XelaBlueThunder:

{{Template:Christory Entry
|imagename = Foodlionflutter.png
|imagecaption = Chris can only aspire to be as "cool" as DJ Jamsta.
|text = Today in Christory;

In '''[[1998]]''', Chris records a KCWC "broadcast", with [[Barbara]] humoring him like a child and "calling in" to "request" a song for [[Bob|Bob's]] 71st birthday.
|link = KCWC
}}
{{Template:Christory Entry Addition
|text = In '''[[2000]]''', Chris releases Sonichu's News Dash Preview Issue #01, all in an attempt to get [[china]].
|link = Sonichu's News Dash
}}
{{Template:Christory Entry Addition
|text = In '''[[2015]]''', Chris releases new pages for the main [[Sonichu_(comic)|Sonichu comic]] for the first time in over five years.
|link = Sonichu 11
}}
{{Christory Entry Addition
|text = Today, in '''[[2023]]''', Chris's car was spotted at [[14 Branchland Court]]. Later that day, Chris was also spotted at a Ruckersville Food Lion with an unknown woman.
|link = Flutter }}<noinclude>{{usage|1=See [[Template:Christory]] for usage.}}
[[Category:September|{{PAGENAME}}]]</noinclude>

Persona

2024-09-03T16:55:07Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Involvement with Chris */

[[File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|thumb|400px]]
The '''Persona''' franchise is a series of [[Japanese]] role-playing [[video games]] developed by Atlus and published by [[Sega]]. The series is also a sub series of the less popular Shin Megami Tensei series. The games are all self contained stories, which take place in varying parts of [[Japan]]. The general premise of the games is a group of high schoolers awaken to the power of Persona, which is used to battle demons to save the world from certain doom. Chris has been aware of the series since at least [[2019]],<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#Chris completes the OC Party]]</ref> but has been brought into the spotlight in [[2024]] thanks to [[weens]] and [[enablers]].

==Involvement with Chris==
In [[October 2019]], Chris drew Teddiechu, a [[Sonichu]] designed after the character of the same name from Persona 4. Chris would also draw a custom Teddiechu [[TSSSF]] card, which would be revealed in [[July 2022]].<ref>[[Sonichu/Rosechu OC Expansion Pack]]</ref>

In a [[November 2023]] livestream, a troll asked Chris how he felt about "being featured in the new FNAF movie", prompting Chris to [[Random access humor|randomly]] bring up Persona 5 and Joker, the game's protagonist.<ref>[[November 2023 livestreams#Medallion Moulding Q&A]]</ref>

In [[January 2024]], Chris would livestream himself playing Persona 5 Royal, which was gifted to him by [[Ren Ryghts]]. It is unclear if Chris played the game out of genuine interest, fan demand, or simply out of a rare sense of obligation to Ren, although the name of the livestream, [[January 2024 livestreams#Popular Request Game Stream|"Popular Game Request Stream"]], as well as his Twitter post announcing the livestream, "By Popular (Memeful) Request"<ref>https://x.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1748844592231789014</ref>, suggest that it was due to the latter. He would make many insane comments, comparing the game’s Metaverse to the [[Dimensional Merge]], finding the Ginza Line with somewhat ease; despite having trouble finding Cafe Leblanc and the ringing phone, and possibly most importantly, dropping the fact that he considers [[Flutter]] one of his wives. Chris would end the stream shortly after awakening his Persona, Arsène.<ref>[[January 2024 livestreams#Popular Request Game Stream]]</ref>

In a [[February 2024]] livestream, Persona 5 Royal could be seen on Chris’s Switch dashboard, having not been touched since the initial stream.<ref>[[February 2024 livestreams#Part 2]]</ref>

In [[February 2024]], Chris would draw a [[Praetor Commissions|paid commission]] of the cast of Persona 3 for [[Ren Ryghts|Ren]].<ref>[[OfficialCWCmart commissions]]</ref><ref>[[Ren Ryghts]]</ref>

In [[July 2024]], another [[Praetor Commissions|paid commission]], this time featuring the cast of Persona 4 Golden, was posted to [[Kiwi Farms]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-19082595</ref> Seemingly aware of efforts to make him become a Persona fan, Chris wrote a note on the back stating he is not really into the series.<ref>[[OfficialCWCmart commissions]]</ref>

==Irony==
[[Ren Ryghts]], during a confession to [[Kiwi Farms]], would state that the main reason he introduced Chris to the Persona franchise was to troll its [[fandoms|fandom]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2111#post-18986745</ref> Though, he also stated that he would not have gifted the game to Chris if he thought he wouldn’t like it, but that all of the game’s lessons and messages [[Autism|would fly over his head]].

The first villain of Persona 5 Royal, Suguru Kamoshida, is a corrupt gym teacher who takes advantage of his female students, mistreats the [[JERKS|male ones]], and is a [[Affair with Mother|sexual deviant]], similar to Chris’s own [[sexism]] and [[Virgin with rage|lust]]. The second villain, Ichiryusai Madarame, is an artist who steals his pupil’s work and passes it on as his own, similar to Chris’s [[plagiarism]] and [[OCs|“original” characters]].

The series, on paper, does appeal to Chris. The game takes place in a [[high school]] setting, features [[Dating education|dating mechanics]], and allows you to be [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|the hero]], which Chris would do in his own [[comics]], as well as [[Gal pals|romanticize his high school days]]. The issue is that the game is long, features lots of dialogue, and requires skills, [[Chris and work|all being things that Chris doesn’t like in his video games]].

As of now, Chris’s only exposure to the series has been through [[weens]] and [[enablers]]. Only time will tell if Chris chooses to get further invested into the series, but it is unlikely.

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:OCParty.jpg|A drawing featuring Teddiechu.
File:Teddiechu -min.jpg| Teddiechu's [[TSSSF]] card.
File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|The cast of Persona 3, perfected by Chris.
File:Persona 4 commission1.jpg|The Persona 4 Golden cast, as drawn by Chris.
</gallery></center>

{{References}}
{{TV}}

Persona

2024-09-03T16:54:38Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Involvement with Chris */

[[File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|thumb|400px]]
The '''Persona''' franchise is a series of [[Japanese]] role-playing [[video games]] developed by Atlus and published by [[Sega]]. The series is also a sub series of the less popular Shin Megami Tensei series. The games are all self contained stories, which take place in varying parts of [[Japan]]. The general premise of the games is a group of high schoolers awaken to the power of Persona, which is used to battle demons to save the world from certain doom. Chris has been aware of the series since at least [[2019]],<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#Chris completes the OC Party]]</ref> but has been brought into the spotlight in [[2024]] thanks to [[weens]] and [[enablers]].

==Involvement with Chris==
In [[October 2019]], Chris drew Teddiechu, a [[Sonichu]] designed after the character of the same name from Persona 4. Chris would also draw a custom Teddiechu [[TSSSF]] card, which would be revealed in [[July 2022]].<ref>[[Sonichu/Rosechu OC Expansion Pack]]</ref>

In a [[November 2023]] livestream, a troll asked Chris how he felt about "being featured in the new FNAF movie", prompting Chris to [[Random access humor|randomly]] bring up Persona 5 and Joker, the game's protagonist.<ref>[[November 2023 livestreams#Medallion Moulding Q&A]]</ref>

In [[January 2024]], Chris would livestream himself playing Persona 5 Royal, which was gifted to him by [[Ren Ryghts]]. It is unclear if Chris played the game out of genuine interest, fan demand, or simply out of a rare sense of obligation to Ren, although the name of the livestream, [[January 2024 livestreams#Popular Request Game Stream|"Popular Game Request Stream"]], as well as his Twitter post announcing the livestream, "By Popular (Memeful) Request"<ref>https://x.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1748844592231789014</ref>, suggests that it was due to the latter. He would make many insane comments, comparing the game’s Metaverse to the [[Dimensional Merge]], finding the Ginza Line with somewhat ease; despite having trouble finding Cafe Leblanc and the ringing phone, and possibly most importantly, dropping the fact that he considers [[Flutter]] one of his wives. Chris would end the stream shortly after awakening his Persona, Arsène.<ref>[[January 2024 livestreams#Popular Request Game Stream]]</ref>

In a [[February 2024]] livestream, Persona 5 Royal could be seen on Chris’s Switch dashboard, having not been touched since the initial stream.<ref>[[February 2024 livestreams#Part 2]]</ref>

In [[February 2024]], Chris would draw a [[Praetor Commissions|paid commission]] of the cast of Persona 3 for [[Ren Ryghts|Ren]].<ref>[[OfficialCWCmart commissions]]</ref><ref>[[Ren Ryghts]]</ref>

In [[July 2024]], another [[Praetor Commissions|paid commission]], this time featuring the cast of Persona 4 Golden, was posted to [[Kiwi Farms]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-19082595</ref> Seemingly aware of efforts to make him become a Persona fan, Chris wrote a note on the back stating he is not really into the series.<ref>[[OfficialCWCmart commissions]]</ref>

==Irony==
[[Ren Ryghts]], during a confession to [[Kiwi Farms]], would state that the main reason he introduced Chris to the Persona franchise was to troll its [[fandoms|fandom]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2111#post-18986745</ref> Though, he also stated that he would not have gifted the game to Chris if he thought he wouldn’t like it, but that all of the game’s lessons and messages [[Autism|would fly over his head]].

The first villain of Persona 5 Royal, Suguru Kamoshida, is a corrupt gym teacher who takes advantage of his female students, mistreats the [[JERKS|male ones]], and is a [[Affair with Mother|sexual deviant]], similar to Chris’s own [[sexism]] and [[Virgin with rage|lust]]. The second villain, Ichiryusai Madarame, is an artist who steals his pupil’s work and passes it on as his own, similar to Chris’s [[plagiarism]] and [[OCs|“original” characters]].

The series, on paper, does appeal to Chris. The game takes place in a [[high school]] setting, features [[Dating education|dating mechanics]], and allows you to be [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|the hero]], which Chris would do in his own [[comics]], as well as [[Gal pals|romanticize his high school days]]. The issue is that the game is long, features lots of dialogue, and requires skills, [[Chris and work|all being things that Chris doesn’t like in his video games]].

As of now, Chris’s only exposure to the series has been through [[weens]] and [[enablers]]. Only time will tell if Chris chooses to get further invested into the series, but it is unlikely.

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:OCParty.jpg|A drawing featuring Teddiechu.
File:Teddiechu -min.jpg| Teddiechu's [[TSSSF]] card.
File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|The cast of Persona 3, perfected by Chris.
File:Persona 4 commission1.jpg|The Persona 4 Golden cast, as drawn by Chris.
</gallery></center>

{{References}}
{{TV}}

Persona

2024-09-03T16:54:22Z

XelaBlueThunder:

[[File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|thumb|400px]]
The '''Persona''' franchise is a series of [[Japanese]] role-playing [[video games]] developed by Atlus and published by [[Sega]]. The series is also a sub series of the less popular Shin Megami Tensei series. The games are all self contained stories, which take place in varying parts of [[Japan]]. The general premise of the games is a group of high schoolers awaken to the power of Persona, which is used to battle demons to save the world from certain doom. Chris has been aware of the series since at least [[2019]],<ref>[[October 2019 social media posts#Chris completes the OC Party]]</ref> but has been brought into the spotlight in [[2024]] thanks to [[weens]] and [[enablers]].

==Involvement with Chris==
In [[October 2019]], Chris drew Teddiechu, a [[Sonichu]] designed after the character of the same name from Persona 4. Chris would also draw a custom Teddiechu [[TSSSF]] card, which would be revealed in [[July 2022]].<ref>[[Sonichu/Rosechu OC Expansion Pack]]</ref>

In a [[November 2023]] livestream, a troll asked Chris how he felt about "being featured in the new FNAF movie", prompting Chris to [[Random access humor|randomly]] bring up Persona 5 and Joker, the game's protagonist.<ref>[[November 2023 livestreams#Medallion Moulding Q&A]]</ref>

In [[January 2024]], Chris would livestream himself playing Persona 5 Royal, which was gifted to him by [[Ren Ryghts]]. It is unclear if Chris played the game out of genuine interest, fan demand, or simply out of a rare sense of obligation to Ren, although the name of the livestream, [[January 2024 livestreams#Popular Request Game Stream|"Popular Game Request Stream"||, as well as his Twitter post announcing the livestream, "By Popular (Memeful) Request"<ref>https://x.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1748844592231789014</ref>, suggests that it was due to the latter. He would make many insane comments, comparing the game’s Metaverse to the [[Dimensional Merge]], finding the Ginza Line with somewhat ease; despite having trouble finding Cafe Leblanc and the ringing phone, and possibly most importantly, dropping the fact that he considers [[Flutter]] one of his wives. Chris would end the stream shortly after awakening his Persona, Arsène.<ref>[[January 2024 livestreams#Popular Request Game Stream]]</ref>

In a [[February 2024]] livestream, Persona 5 Royal could be seen on Chris’s Switch dashboard, having not been touched since the initial stream.<ref>[[February 2024 livestreams#Part 2]]</ref>

In [[February 2024]], Chris would draw a [[Praetor Commissions|paid commission]] of the cast of Persona 3 for [[Ren Ryghts|Ren]].<ref>[[OfficialCWCmart commissions]]</ref><ref>[[Ren Ryghts]]</ref>

In [[July 2024]], another [[Praetor Commissions|paid commission]], this time featuring the cast of Persona 4 Golden, was posted to [[Kiwi Farms]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-19082595</ref> Seemingly aware of efforts to make him become a Persona fan, Chris wrote a note on the back stating he is not really into the series.<ref>[[OfficialCWCmart commissions]]</ref>

==Irony==
[[Ren Ryghts]], during a confession to [[Kiwi Farms]], would state that the main reason he introduced Chris to the Persona franchise was to troll its [[fandoms|fandom]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2111#post-18986745</ref> Though, he also stated that he would not have gifted the game to Chris if he thought he wouldn’t like it, but that all of the game’s lessons and messages [[Autism|would fly over his head]].

The first villain of Persona 5 Royal, Suguru Kamoshida, is a corrupt gym teacher who takes advantage of his female students, mistreats the [[JERKS|male ones]], and is a [[Affair with Mother|sexual deviant]], similar to Chris’s own [[sexism]] and [[Virgin with rage|lust]]. The second villain, Ichiryusai Madarame, is an artist who steals his pupil’s work and passes it on as his own, similar to Chris’s [[plagiarism]] and [[OCs|“original” characters]].

The series, on paper, does appeal to Chris. The game takes place in a [[high school]] setting, features [[Dating education|dating mechanics]], and allows you to be [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|the hero]], which Chris would do in his own [[comics]], as well as [[Gal pals|romanticize his high school days]]. The issue is that the game is long, features lots of dialogue, and requires skills, [[Chris and work|all being things that Chris doesn’t like in his video games]].

As of now, Chris’s only exposure to the series has been through [[weens]] and [[enablers]]. Only time will tell if Chris chooses to get further invested into the series, but it is unlikely.

==Gallery==
<center><gallery>
File:OCParty.jpg|A drawing featuring Teddiechu.
File:Teddiechu -min.jpg| Teddiechu's [[TSSSF]] card.
File:OfficialCWCmart - Persona commission.jpg|The cast of Persona 3, perfected by Chris.
File:Persona 4 commission1.jpg|The Persona 4 Golden cast, as drawn by Chris.
</gallery></center>

{{References}}
{{TV}}

Template:Da update

2024-08-31T22:49:23Z

XelaBlueThunder:

<center>[[Image:CWCki News.png|320px]] <div style="text-align:center">It is currently [[{{#time:F Y}}]]. It has been...
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We highly advise ''against'' seeking out Chris, or anyone who is or has previously been associated with him, in any way.</center>
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<center>'''Current Updates'''</center>
*'''31 August''' - Chris uploads '''[[ITS DA BUTTON|a video celebrating receiving his Silver Play Button]]''' from [[YouTube]].
*'''25 August'''
**Chris '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Target_(August)|is spotted]]''' at a Target in Lynchburg.
**Chris '''[[August 2024 social media posts#Support for Kamala Harris|tweets]]''' that he will vote for Kamala Harris in the upcoming US election.
*'''19 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Valley_View_Mall|are spotted]]''' at Valley View Mall in Roanoke, VA.
*'''17 August''' - '''[[Incest Arrest#Bodycam video|Bodycam footage of Chris's arrest]]''' is posted to YouTube.
*'''14 August''' - Chris's '''[[YouTube#CwcvilleGuardian (February 2012 – July 2021; September 2023 – Present)|CwcvilleGuardian YouTube channel]]''' hits 100k subscribers '''[[August 2024 social media posts#100K subs|and he brags about it on Twitter.]]'''
*'''13 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|are spotted]]''' at River Ridge Mall.

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<center>'''Recently Uncovered Info'''</center>
*'''27 August''' - [[The Place chats (February 2021)#Vaughn, HBO Max, and Sockness|Vaughn, HBO Max, and Sockness]] from [[February 2021]]
*'''13 August''' - [[Jail Art (reverse side)#Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004|Poorly-redacted Paperwork]] from [[May 2022]]
*'''25 June''' - [[Null DMs#Questioning Chris|Questioning Chris]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''24 June''' - [[Null DMs#Concern over poop DMs|Concern over poop DMs]] from [[January 2021]]

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Template:Da update

2024-08-31T22:48:57Z

XelaBlueThunder:

<center>[[Image:CWCki News.png|320px]] <div style="text-align:center">It is currently [[{{#time:F Y}}]]. It has been...
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We highly advise ''against'' seeking out Chris, or anyone who is or has previously been associated with him, in any way.</center>
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<center>'''Current Updates'''</center>
*'''31 August''' - Chris uploads '''[[ITS DA BUTTON|a video celebrating receiving his Silver Play Button]]''' from [[YouTube]].
*'''25 August'''
**Chris '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Target_(August)|is spotted]]''' at a Target in Lynchburg.
**Chris '''[[August 2024 social media posts#Support for Kamala Harris|tweets]]''' that he will vote for Kamala Harris in the upcoming US election.
*'''19 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Valley_View_Mall|are spotted]]''' at Valley View Mall in Roanoke, VA.
*'''17 August''' - '''[[Incest Arrest#Bodycam video|Bodycam footage of Chris's arrest]]''' is posted to YouTube.
*'''14 August''' - Chris's '''[[YouTube#CwcvilleGuardian (February 2012 – July 2021; September 2023 – Present)|CwcvilleGuardian YouTube channel]]''' hits 100k subscribers '''[[August 2024 social media posts#100K subs|and he brags about it on Twitter.]]'''
*'''13 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|are spotted]]''' at River Ridge Mall.

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<center>'''Recently Uncovered Info'''</center>
*'''27 August''' - [[The Place chats (February 2021)#Vaughn, HBO Max, and Sockness|Vaughn, HBO Max, and Sockness]] from [[February 2021]]
*'''13 August''' - [[Jail Art (reverse side)#Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004|Poorly-redacted Paperwork]] from [[May 2022]]
*'''25 June''' - [[Null DMs#Questioning Chris|Questioning Chris]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''24 June''' - [[Null DMs#Concern over poop DMs|Concern over poop DMs]] from [[January 2021]]

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Template:Da update

2024-08-31T22:45:08Z

XelaBlueThunder: He says it while referring to his classic era, bringing up his original Sonichu issues and trolls. He means that, nowadays, his sweetheart search is over due to him marrying his four spouses six years ago. I wouldn't look for further significance in this.

<center>[[Image:CWCki News.png|320px]] <div style="text-align:center">It is currently [[{{#time:F Y}}]].</center>
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<center>'''Current Updates'''</center>
*'''31 August''' - Chris uploads '''[[ITS DA BUTTON|a video celebrating receiving his Silver Play Button]]''' from [[YouTube]].
*'''25 August'''
**Chris '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Target_(August)|is spotted]]''' at a Target in Lynchburg.
**Chris '''[[August 2024 social media posts#Support for Kamala Harris|tweets]]''' that he will vote for Kamala Harris in the upcoming US election.
*'''19 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Valley_View_Mall|are spotted]]''' at Valley View Mall in Roanoke, VA.
*'''17 August''' - '''[[Incest Arrest#Bodycam video|Bodycam footage of Chris's arrest]]''' is posted to YouTube.
*'''14 August''' - Chris's '''[[YouTube#CwcvilleGuardian (February 2012 – July 2021; September 2023 – Present)|CwcvilleGuardian YouTube channel]]''' hits 100k subscribers '''[[August 2024 social media posts#100K subs|and he brags about it on Twitter.]]'''
*'''13 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|are spotted]]''' at River Ridge Mall.

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<center>'''Recently Uncovered Info'''</center>
*'''27 August''' - [[The Place chats (February 2021)#Vaughn, HBO Max, and Sockness|Vaughn, HBO Max, and Sockness]] from [[February 2021]]
*'''13 August''' - [[Jail Art (reverse side)#Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004|Poorly-redacted Paperwork]] from [[May 2022]]
*'''25 June''' - [[Null DMs#Questioning Chris|Questioning Chris]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''24 June''' - [[Null DMs#Concern over poop DMs|Concern over poop DMs]] from [[January 2021]]

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Talk:Incest Arrest

2024-08-21T23:13:53Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* More footage. */ new section

==Dedicated video page for bodycam footage==
I feel like the bodycam footage is significant enough to justify its own separate video page, but I wanted to ask here to get more opinions. Thoughts? [[User:Cottonmather|Cottonmather]] ([[User talk:Cottonmather|talk]]) 15:31, 18 August 2024 (EDT)
: I agree. The release of this footage is a major event and it deserves to be featured on its own page rather than being lumped together with Ethan Ralph. [[User:JinkiesJanke|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke|talk]]) 18:35, 18 August 2024 (EDT)
: I'm not sure. The videos all cover the same event. For linking purposes, the bodycam footage could be phrased as something like "according to bodycam footage of the [[Incest Arrest]]." [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:44, 18 August 2024 (EDT)

== More footage. ==

More footage's come out.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/aug-17-2024-bodycam-footage-of-the-incest-arrest.198303/post-19142718

I'd add it in myself, but I have no idea what writeups to make on them. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 19:13, 21 August 2024 (EDT)

Template:Da update

2024-08-18T23:45:06Z

XelaBlueThunder: It does say older entries should be removed, but only if the list gets too long.

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<center>'''Current Updates'''</center>
*'''17 August''' - '''[[Incest Arrest#Bodycam video|Bodycam footage of Chris's arrest]]''' is posted to YouTube.
*'''14 August''' - Chris's '''[[YouTube#CwcvilleGuardian (February 2012 – July 2021; September 2023 – Present)|CwcvilleGuardian YouTube channel]]''' hits 100k subscribers '''[[August 2024 social media posts#100K subs|and he brags about it on Twitter.]]'''
*'''13 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|are spotted]]''' at River Ridge Mall.
*'''6 August''' - Chris '''[[August 2024 social media posts#Chris doesn't approve fan game|makes a tweet]]''' saying he does not approve of the fan game ''[[Christian_Weston_Chandler%27s_Adult_Chronicles#(Fanmade)_CWC_Adult_Chronicles|Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles]]''.
*'''19 July''' - A '''[[Chris in the media#"Weird Al" Yankovic|music video by Weird Al Yankovic]]''' makes a brief reference to Sonichu.
*'''12 July''' - Chris and Flutter are '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Walmart_Part_II_(July)|spotted again]]''' at Walmart shopping.
*'''5 July''' - Chris and Flutter are '''[[Sightings (2024)#Walmart (July)|spotted]]''' at a Walmart customer service line and at the parking lot.

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<center>'''Recently Uncovered Info'''</center>
*'''13 August''' - [[Jail Art (reverse side)#Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004|Poorly-redacted Paperwork]] from [[May 2022]]
*'''25 June''' - [[Null DMs#Questioning Chris|Questioning Chris]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''24 June''' - [[Null DMs#Concern over poop DMs|Concern over poop DMs]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''22 June''' - [[Misc texts#Remove G5 demand|Remove G5 demand]] from [[March 2024]]
*'''14 June''' - [[Jail Saga#Pleadings/Orders Detail|Chris's incest case is updated with miscellaneous court information]] from [[April 2024]]
*'''11 June''' - [[Naught DMs#Movie Night picks|Movie Night picks]] from [[September 2020]]
*'''30 May''' - [[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia|Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]] from [[October 2020]]

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Magi-Chan

2024-08-18T11:18:37Z

XelaBlueThunder:

{{Troll}}
{{quote|It seemed unlikely for a loong [sic] time. But Magi-Chan saw in a future a [[Silvana|long-haired black Rosechu]], who was born true of Venus on the Earth's Moon. Yet she would be cursed with a [[duck|protrusion]] that can be undone by eliminating the one who had placed the curse.|Chris describes Magi-Chan's yearning for [[homos|love]].}}

{| class="infobox" style="width: 21em; font-size: 90%;"
|-
! colspan="2" | [[Sonichu (comic)|Sonichu]] character
|-
| colspan="2" | [[File:MagiChan111448.jpg|300px]]
|-
! colspan="2" |Magi-Chan Sonichu
|-
| '''Date of birth'''
| 2 February 1989 (in universe, original) 14 November 1948 (in universe, [[brainwashed]] into Chris by [[Idea Guys]])<ref>https://twitter.com/CWCSonichu/status/987472560114806786</ref>
No later than 2 February 2004 (IRL)<ref>Chris created a [[:File:279-MagiCard.jpg|card of Magi-Chan]] on 2 February 2004. It can therefore be inferred that Magi-Chan was not created at any earlier date.</ref>
|-
| '''Gender'''
| Male
|-
| '''Length'''
| 4'7" (140 cm)
|-
| '''Weight'''
| 120 lbs (54 kg)
|-
| '''Parents'''
| [[Mewtwo]]
|-
| '''Spouses'''
| [[Mewtwo]], [[Sylvana]], [[Chris]], [[Cryzel]]
|-
| '''Species'''
| [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]] ([[Electric Hedgehog Pokémon]])
|-
| '''Type'''
| Electric/Psychic
|-
| '''Evolves from'''
| [[Sonee]] (with Moon Stone)
|-
| '''Evolves into'''
| N/A
|-
|}

'''Magi-Chan Sonichu''' is a [[Sonichu (species)|Sonichu]] and a member of the [[Chaotic Combo]]. Like Chris's [[Bionic the Hedgehog|other]] [[Blake|lazy recolors]], his name is a [[random-access humor|lame pun]]: according to Chris, his name is intended to play on the word "[[Wes Iseli|magician]]".<ref>[[DPF phonecall]]</ref> He's the serious know-it-all and the only character not solely motivated by finding a [[sweetheart]]. He's also one of the major sources of ''deus ex machina'', and thus far the character most often depicted as just a floating head providing walls of expository dialogue. He is purple, but has been depicted as crimson. His design combines the standard Sonichu template with [[Mewtwo]], who is incidentally Magi-Chan's [[homos|husband]] and [[Chris and sex#Incest|father]]. He <s>is</s> [[Sonichu 10|was]] probably the only sympathetic character in the whole series, due to his sarcastic and often serious mood unintentionally making him seem intolerant of [[Sonichu (character)|Sonichu]] and Chris's stupid antics, as well as his character's unintentional [[Homos|homosexual]] undertones.

Although he is clearly omnipotent and omniscient, Magi-Chan [[Chris and work|refuses to use his powers]] for any reason other than to exposit plot points and teleport characters to where they need to be in order to do a job he could, himself, do in a matter of moments. Some readers find this to be his most redeeming characteristic, as he clearly only puts in the bare minimum of effort to satisfy Chris's [[autism|retarded]] whims. He also remained girlfriend-free the longest of all the characters, and implied that he was uninterested in romance due to having "too much gray matter" when Sonichu obnoxiously boasts about fucking his girlfriend that night. Even when Magi-Chan does express interest in a woman, it's a woman with a [[pickle]]: [[Silvana Rosechu]].

Since mid-[[2017]], Chris has thought of Magi-Chan as an imaginary friend hanging out with him [[Chris and reality|in the real world]], eclipsing even the original Sonichu in popularity. The [[Idea Guys]], injecting themselves into Chris's life about this time, seized the chance to run with this as far as they could. New ''facts'' about Magi-Chan, including his incestuous homosexual marriage, were introduced to Chris in this way through early [[2018]]. In March of that year, a psychologically distorted Chris declared that Magi-Chan was [[polyamorous marriage|his husband]], as well as Mewtwo's. After the Idea Guys were removed from power, Magi-Chan has become a key player in the [[Dimensional Merge]] and one of Chris's [[Twitter]] sockpuppets, usurping [[Night Star]].

== In Chris's life ==
{{Incomplete}}

Around 2017, Chris began to show a greater interest in Magi-Chan, more so even than Sonichu. In [[Dancing with Magi-Chan]], Chris dances a duet at the August 2017 [[BronyCon]] with Magi-Chan as his dance partner. In [[January 2018]] Chris revealed that Magi-Chan is now [[Homos|married]] to Mewtwo, his master -- and later that year, went on to clarify that he was also married to Chris. In the June 2019 [[Believe in the OCs and Deities!]], Chris claims that Magi-Chan is sitting next to him while gesturing at thin air. Furthermore, in August 2019, Chris, while using a sockpuppet account of Magi-Chan, proclaimed that Magi-Chan had fully manifested into reality<ref>[[August 2019 social media posts#"Magi-Chan" says he has entered our world]]</ref>. In [[First recorded statement of Magi-Chan Sonichu - August 15, 2019]], Chris claimed to be possessed by Magi-Chan, changing his tone of voice, demeanor and wordage in an attempt to differentiate the two. Chris clarified that Magi-Chan and himself had allegedly switched bodies, and that Chris was now in C-197, then tried (and failed) to move an object with psychic powers. The Magi-Chan charade continued for almost exactly one month, when Magi-Chan announced that Chris had returned, but maintained that he still remained in our world. <ref>[[September 2019 social media posts#The fabled return of the real Chris]]</ref> Despite allegedly no longer occupying Chris' body, Magi-Chan continued to post on Twitter, including making the claim that he will visit [[Null]], owner of the [[Kiwi Farms]] sometime a few days after 18 September<ref>[[September 2019 social media posts#Magi-Chan will be visiting Null]]</ref>. On 25 August, Chris, role-playing as Magi-Chan, attempted to contact Null, but ragequit after Null refused to entertain his delusions:

{{quoteboxred|Chris just sent me some shit out of the blue and he immediately got upset and shut up after I addressed him as "Chris" instead of Magichan. Every single time I see this ludicrous faggot shit he's doing it's like losing Terry [Davis] again. It makes me so fucking sad<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-thoughts-questions.49854/post-5223282</ref>.}}

In [[August 2021]], during the [[Incest Arrest]], Chris tried informing the [[jerkops]] arresting him that if they felt a presence, it was them being given a "gentle punch" across dimensions by Magi-Chan. One officer reported not feeling anything, which prompted Chris to encourage Magi-Chan to punch him harder.<ref>[[Incest Arrest#Bodycam video]]</ref>

===Target for manipulating Chris===
Since the [[Idea Guys]], Magi-Chan has become a popular target for those trying to influence Chris's beliefs.

*The Idea Guys role-played as Magi-Chan. Among other things, they convinced Chris to draw himself raping [[Sonichu]] in order to ensure [[Crystal]]'s birth<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Trolling Jessica Quinn, drawing of Chris fucking Sonichu]]</ref> and tricked Chris into believing he is [[bisexual]].

*[[The Captain]], a member of the Guard Dogs, invoked Magi-Chan to convince Chris to be rescued from the Idea Guys<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/financhu-crisis-chris-sells-his-stuff-megathread.41369/post-3767203</ref>. A Guard Dogs member also invoked Magi-Chan in a failed attempt to persuade Chris the [[Dimensional Merge]] wouldn't happen for 20 years.

*The [[Teen Troon Squad]] pretended to be possessed by Magi-Chan.

*In [[Sockness impersonates Magi-Chan]], [[Jacob Sockness]] faked a conversation with Magi-Chan to manipulate Chris into being open to a relationship.

*[[Helena Fiorenza]] role-played that she and Magi-Chan had gone on a date, complete with photoshopped images, which Chris believed.

*[[AquaDiamond8]] role-played on discovering an alt-dimension Magi-Chan.

*[[Miss L and Mr. Vaughn|Mr. Vaughn]] planned on sending Chris messages about a kidnapped Magi-Chan. He would have told Chris that Magi-Chan was being held hostage underneath the Pirates of the Caribbean ride at Disney World in order to make Chris drive across the country. While Vaughn's plans never came to fruition, this particular plot may have worked due to how much Chris believes in the character.

== In the comic ==
[[File:Mewtwo magichan married.jpg ‎|thumb|200px|Magi-Chan marries Mewtwo.]]

Magi-Chan was, in earlier comics, perhaps the most useless in Chris's canon of useless characters, rivalled only by [[Lolisa Rosechu]].
Despite being essentially omnipotent, he would do little more than enable everybody else to do something by filling them in on all the exposition and teleporting them where they need to go. His deadpan attitude and gay subtexts made him one of the more popular characters with the trolls, mentioned in Chris's [[Mailbag]]s quite frequently. This caused a few new facts about the character to surface, notably that [[Mailbag 31#Magi-Chan knows when you fuck|he is aware of any sex act]] that happens to occur within [[CWCville]] city limit and will inform Chris if it doesn't fit his [[Homos|puritanical ideals]].

However, Magi-Chan later came in handy as a sort of "right-hand man" to Chris, particularly in his fight against homosexuality. Chris has stated that Magi-Chan monitors all sexual activity in the city using his psychic powers, and later has Magi-Chan travel to the future in order to obtain a bulk batch of the cure for homosexuality - Chris's blood. Magi-Chan would effectively contaminate the water supply of [[CWCville]] with Chris's blood in order to cleanse the world of [[homos]]. Magi-Chan would later come out as gay himself, when he married Mewtwo<ref name=gaymarriage>[[January 2018 Facebook posts‎‎#Mewtwo and Magi-Chan married]]</ref>.

Magi-Chan's omnipotence and omniscience are thanks to Chris' repeated use of Magi-Chan's psychic powers as a [[Chris and writing|crutch for plot convenience and exposition]]. In fact, it can be argued that Magi-Chan is the REAL person in charge of [[CWCville]] and may rival, if not dwarf, the powers of [[Christian Weston Chandler (comic character)|Chris]] himself. Magi-Chan has demonstrated the ability to time travel under his own power, change the genetic and physical make up of people's bodies to change their genders, has his own actual team of Level 100 Psychic Pokemon (despite being a Pokemon himself), along with essentially serving as the town's head of law enforcement, and is never questioned when issuing a command. While Chris is typically [[Chris and his ego|fawned over and adored]], Magi-Chan is obeyed without question.

===Major comic appearances===
[[Image:SchuMagiSonee.jpg|100 px|thumb|right|Magi-Chan as a [[Sonee]].]]
*[[Sonichu_3#Episode_10:_.22Sonichu_Babies.22|Sonichu Babies]]

Magi-Chan's egg lands in a secluded cave in the cliffs surrounding CWCville. Upon hatching, he is spoken to via telepathy by [[Wikipedia:Mewtwo|Mewtwo]], who trains Magi-Chan [[Sonee]] to use his psychic abilities until he evolves after extreme meditation training.

*[[Sonichu_3#Episode_11:_The_Chaotic_Combo_in_.22When_Hedgehogs_Meet.22|When Hedgehogs Meet]]

Magi-Chan stands over CWCville, his all-knowing mind seeing the impending fight against [[Blake]]. He sighs, heads on over to the other [[Chaotic Combo]] members and seems to set himself up as their leader within moments. Then they all beat up [[Blake]] to the point that major cranial damage threatens to kill him.

*[[Sonichu_5#Episode_13:_.22Smashed_Hearts_.26_Entrapment.22|Smashed Hearts & Entrapment]]

Magi-Chan and the other Chaotic Combo members are teleported into action by Chris.

*[[Sonichu_6#Episode_14:_.22Evil_is_Afoot.21.22|Evil is Afoot]]

While everyone is pretending to worry about [[Crystal Weston Chandler (character)|Crystal]], Chris and Magi-Chan try to figure out how to free her.

[[Reldnahc Notsew Naitsirhc]] attacks and Chris orders Magi-Chan and Sonichu to investigate with him. Magi-Chan does practically nothing from there.

*[[Sonichu_7#Episode_15:_.22Time_for_a_Ball.22|Time for a Ball]] & [[Sonichu_7#Episode_16:_.22Time_Hogs.22|Time Hogs]]

For no reason, Magi-Chan, along with Chris and Sonichu, begin the hunt for the [[Sonichu Balls]] at the [[Manchester High School]] Gymnasium. Magi-Chan gives some made-up theory about how the Sonichu Balls can be scattered throughout time. He then magically realizes that Chris came in contact with one ball back in [[1996]] and the three go back in time to retrieve it. On the way back Chris gets lost in the [[Time Void|time void]] and Magi-Chan explains that he will return eventually, instead of actually trying to [[List of unheroic protagonist actions|help him]].

*[[Sonichu_8#Episode_18:_Prologue|Episode 18 Prologue]]

Magi-Chan, along with the rest of the [[Chaotic Combo]], celebrates their 19th birthdays on 2 February 2008.

*[[Sonichu_8#Episode_18:_.22Spring_Break.2C_2008.22|Spring Break]]

[[Image:MagiChanisGay.JPG|250 px|thumb|Precise and accurate.]]

Magi-Chan explains to [[Bubbles]] that he has found a [[Sonichu Ball]] via his psychic link and orders her to go get it. He also tries to warn her of [[Silvana]]'s trap, but Bubbles doesn't believe him. Magi-Chan later teleports Bubbles to Blake.

*[[Episode_20#Episode_20:_CWC-Defense|CWC-Defense]]

Magi-Chan pleads with Silvana to stop working with [[Count Graduon]] and insists that he can restore her "birth gender."

After his exchange with Silvana, Magi-Chan disappears from Episode 20 almost entirely. He plays no significant role in the plot until the epilogue, where he shows up to provide a handy deus ex machina by randomly pulling Chris out of the Time Void.

*[[Sonichu 10#Episode 21: Christian Chandler in Director Amenities|Christian Chandler in Director Amenities]]

Magi-Chan appears in the beginning of the story, having yanked Chris from the Time Void. The newly freed Chris tasks him with gathering the homosexual cure and bringing it to the present, which he does.

When Chris tries to apologize for his actions involving [[Alec Benson Leary]], Magi-Chan stops [[Evan]] and [[Simonchu]] from trying to kill [[Simonla]], but fails to stop [[Alec Benson Leary|Alec]]'s attempt. He's obviously guilt ridden when Wild's motherless bastard child [[Sandy]] is born, telling the child point blank that it was Evan who killed her. He is present at the [[Asperchu Four|Asperchu Four's]] trial, planting evidence to convict them. He is last seen at Alec's execution, electrocuting him.

*[[Sonichu_11#Episode_22:_.22A_Sonichu_Christmas.22|A Sonichu Christmas]]

Magi-Chan appears to reassure his niece Christine about the whole ordeal that went on with her and [[Kevin the Jew]]. Following that, he appears with Silvana to talk about how much they love each other.

He also appears at the end of the story with Silvana, thinking to himself, "Life is good".

*[[Sonichu_12#Episode_25:_.22To_Be_or_Naught_a_Tomgirl.E2.80.A6.22|To Be or Naught a Tomgirl...]]

Magi-Chan helps his nephew Robbie realize that he has a female soul, by explaining that he has to find himself. This helps pave the way toward Robbie's transition into becoming a female.

*[[Sonichu_12#Episode_26:_Prideful|Prideful]]

Although his primary role in this story is provide tons of exposition, he does help evacuate the pride parade in anticipation of a group of [[Jerkops]] led by Reldnahc.

*[[Sonichu_12#Episode_24.2C_Part_2:_The_Clip_Show:_Catching_Up|Part 2: The Clip Show: Catching up]]

Magi-Chan appears at Sonichu's and Rosechu's wedding.

*[[Sonichu 13]]

Magi-Chan marries Chris.

==Voice==
During his phase of being [[possessed]] by Magi-Chan, Chris speaks as the character in [[First recorded statement of Magi-Chan Sonichu - August 15, 2019]].

Chris recorded lines for Magi-Chan for the [[Sonic World]] fan game, hoping for a mod of the character.

==Counterparts==
===Lady Màgíc Sonichu===
[[File:Jailart8-28-1.jpg|Lady Màgíc|thumb|200px]]
'''Lady Màgíc''' is a genderbent counterpart of Magi-Chan from [[dimension]] 1C-4896312. Chris insists on using the accents in the "Màgíc" name.

On 19 [[October 2020]], Chris tweeted about the genderbent dimension where Lady Magic resides and asked his followers to draw fanart of her.<ref>[[October 2020 social media posts#Genderbent dimension]]</ref>

On 21 October 2020, Chris posted about the genderbent dimension in [[The Place]]. He claimed that Lady Màgíc had visited his dimension for research and told The Place members that Lady Màgíc might visit them. He said they could recognize her by her "reasonable breast size" and short pants, and that she wears a blue vest as other Magi-Chan counterparts do.<ref>[[The Place chats (October 2020)#Genderbent dimension]]</ref>

On 28 [[August 2022]], Chris illustrated Lady Màgíc while in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]].<ref>[[Praetor Jail Art#"Lady Magic Sonichu", dated 08/28/2022]]</ref>

==Gallery==
<center>
<gallery>
File:SchuMagichan1.jpg
Image:Magichan-icon.jpg|Magi-Chan is too cool to smile.
Image:Magichan scowling.jpg
Image:Magichan bubble.jpg
Image:281-MagiChan.jpg|THIS IS MY ANGRY FACE
Image:MagiChanFarts.JPG|Magi-Chan hard at work.
Image:280-YuMagi.jpg
Image:Magichanmausterbate.jpg‎|[[Mailbag 31|Magi-Chan Sonichu is watching you masturbate.]]
Image:Magichanisintense.jpg‎|[[Audiobooks|Look at Magi-Chan. Seriously, just look at him.]]
File:MegaMagiChan.png|Mega form.
File:Lego Magi-Chan.jpg|[[LEGO]] Magi-Chan.
File:ModNation MagiChan.jpg|Magi-Chan in ''[[ModNation Racers]]''
File:Magi-Chan Sonichu Medallion.jpg|Magi-Chan [[medallion]]. Buy one on [[eBay]] today!
File:MagiAmiiboA.jpg|Magi-Chan [[Amiibo]], for sale on [[Etsy]].
File:TSSSFpack13.jpeg|
File:Grand elder magi chan sonichu by nightstarrosechu2891 dg6ofhx-414w-2x.jpg|Grand Elder Magi-Chan Sonichu of Timeline 4D.
</gallery>
</center>
{{CWCipedia|chris=Magi-Chan Sonichu}}

==Trivia==
:* He can resurrect himself. <ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/March_2024_livestreams#Highlights</ref>
:* He once went back in time, met Jesus, died and was resurrected in China in a temple. <ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/March_2024_livestreams#Highlights</ref>
:* He speaks all languages. <ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/March_2024_livestreams#Highlights</ref>
:* He's immortal. <ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/March_2024_livestreams#Highlights</ref>

==See also==
*[[MagiChan111448]]
*[[All Star]], a sex tape in which Chris imagines himself fucking Magi-Chan.

== Sources ==
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{{IdeaGuySaga}}
{{Fantasies}}
{{Sonichu}}
[[Category:Characters]]
[[Category:Concepts influenced by Idea Guy]]
[[Category:Homos]]
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[[Category:Sonichus]]
[[Category:LGBT]]

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2024-08-18T09:15:40Z

XelaBlueThunder:

{{quote|Punch him harder, [[Magi-Chan|hubby]].|Chris, ordering Magi-Chan to punch a police officer.}}
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2024-08-18T09:05:08Z

XelaBlueThunder:

{{quote|Punch him harder, [[Magi-Chan|hubby]].|Chris, asking Magi-Chan to punch a police officer.}}
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2024-08-18T09:04:49Z

XelaBlueThunder:

{{quote|Punch him harder, [[Magi-Chan Sonichu|hubby]].|Chris, asking Magi-Chan to punch a police officer.]]}}
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2024-08-15T11:25:22Z

XelaBlueThunder:

{{quote|[[Honor Roll|100,000 Thousand!]] Yas! [[Youtube|@YouTube]] [[Chris and his ego|owes]] me a button. ⚡️💙⚡️|[[August 2024 social media posts#100K subs|Chris, displaying his mathematic prowess on Twitter.]]}}
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Template:Da update

2024-08-14T20:29:22Z

XelaBlueThunder:

<center>[[Image:CWCki News.png|320px]] <div style="text-align:center">It is currently [[{{#time:F Y}}]].</center>
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<center>'''Current Updates'''</center>
*'''14 August''' - Chris's '''[[YouTube#CwcvilleGuardian (February 2012 – July 2021; September 2023 – Present)|CwcvilleGuardian YouTube channel]]''' hits 100k subscribers [[August 2024 social media posts#100K subs|and he brags about it on Twitter.]]
*'''13 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|are spotted]]''' at River Ridge Mall.
*'''6 August''' - Chris '''[[August 2024 social media posts#Chris doesn't approve fan game|makes a tweet]]''' saying he does not approve of the fan game ''[[Christian_Weston_Chandler%27s_Adult_Chronicles#(Fanmade)_CWC_Adult_Chronicles|Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles]]''.
*'''19 July''' - A '''[[Chris in the media#"Weird Al" Yankovic|music video by Weird Al Yankovic]]''' makes a brief reference to Sonichu.
*'''12 July''' - Chris and Flutter are '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Walmart_Part_II_(July)|spotted again]]''' at Walmart shopping.
*'''5 July''' - Chris and Flutter are '''[[Sightings (2024)#Walmart (July)|spotted]]''' at a Walmart customer service line and at the parking lot.
*'''30 June''' - '''[[Christ Chan Live Stream: OG Cwcville (Cwcville)-60 Minecraft]]''' is livestreamed.

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<center>'''Recently Uncovered Info'''</center>
*'''13 August''' - [[Jail Art (reverse side)#Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004|Poorly-redacted Paperwork]] from [[May 2022]]
*'''25 June''' - [[Null DMs#Questioning Chris|Questioning Chris]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''24 June''' - [[Null DMs#Concern over poop DMs|Concern over poop DMs]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''22 June''' - [[Misc texts#Remove G5 demand|Remove G5 demand]] from [[March 2024]]
*'''14 June''' - [[Jail Saga#Pleadings/Orders Detail|Chris's incest case is updated with miscellaneous court information]] from [[April 2024]]
*'''11 June''' - [[Naught DMs#Movie Night picks|Movie Night picks]] from [[September 2020]]
*'''30 May''' - [[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia|Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]] from [[October 2020]]

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Template:Da update

2024-08-14T20:29:10Z

XelaBlueThunder:

<center>[[Image:CWCki News.png|320px]] <div style="text-align:center">It is currently [[{{#time:F Y}}]].</center>
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<center>'''Current Updates'''</center>
*'''14 August''' - Chris's '''[[YouTube#CwcvilleGuardian (February 2012 – July 2021; September 2023 – Present)|CwcvilleGuardian YouTube channel]]''' hits 100k subscribers [[August 2024 social media posts#100K subs|and brags about it on Twitter.]]
*'''13 August''' - Chris and Flutter '''[[Sightings (2024)#River Ridge Mall (August)|are spotted]]''' at River Ridge Mall.
*'''6 August''' - Chris '''[[August 2024 social media posts#Chris doesn't approve fan game|makes a tweet]]''' saying he does not approve of the fan game ''[[Christian_Weston_Chandler%27s_Adult_Chronicles#(Fanmade)_CWC_Adult_Chronicles|Christian Weston Chandler's Adult Chronicles]]''.
*'''19 July''' - A '''[[Chris in the media#"Weird Al" Yankovic|music video by Weird Al Yankovic]]''' makes a brief reference to Sonichu.
*'''12 July''' - Chris and Flutter are '''[[Sightings_(2024)#Walmart_Part_II_(July)|spotted again]]''' at Walmart shopping.
*'''5 July''' - Chris and Flutter are '''[[Sightings (2024)#Walmart (July)|spotted]]''' at a Walmart customer service line and at the parking lot.
*'''30 June''' - '''[[Christ Chan Live Stream: OG Cwcville (Cwcville)-60 Minecraft]]''' is livestreamed.

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<center>'''Recently Uncovered Info'''</center>
*'''13 August''' - [[Jail Art (reverse side)#Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004|Poorly-redacted Paperwork]] from [[May 2022]]
*'''25 June''' - [[Null DMs#Questioning Chris|Questioning Chris]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''24 June''' - [[Null DMs#Concern over poop DMs|Concern over poop DMs]] from [[January 2021]]
*'''22 June''' - [[Misc texts#Remove G5 demand|Remove G5 demand]] from [[March 2024]]
*'''14 June''' - [[Jail Saga#Pleadings/Orders Detail|Chris's incest case is updated with miscellaneous court information]] from [[April 2024]]
*'''11 June''' - [[Naught DMs#Movie Night picks|Movie Night picks]] from [[September 2020]]
*'''30 May''' - [[The Place chats (October 2020)#Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia|Interview Prep, Mad Over Wikipedia]] from [[October 2020]]

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To add new updates to the list, simply edit this template, and place a brief description of what happened at the top of bulleted list. Please also link to a source, and set it in '''boldface''', so viewers can know where to read further. Entries should also be documented on the [[{{CURRENTMONTHNAME}} {{CURRENTYEAR}}|current month article]]. Try to phrase things differently instead of always beginning entries with ''Chris does X''; it can get monotonous. Document the next milestone in Chris's legal proceedings (or when he is to be released from prison, should it come to this) in place of an Ongoing event.}}[[Category:Front page templates]] </noinclude>

August 2024 social media posts

2024-08-14T20:27:16Z

XelaBlueThunder:

This page is an archive of Chris's social media posts during [[August 2024]]. Unless otherwise indicated, the posts are on [[Twitter]] and from the account @CPU_CWCSonichu.

==Chris doesn't approve [[Christian_Weston_Chandler%27s_Adult_Chronicles#(Fanmade)_CWC_Adult_Chronicles|fan game]]==
6 August 
11:24 AM

{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=[[Christian_Weston_Chandler%27s_Adult_Chronicles#(Fanmade)_CWC_Adult_Chronicles|CWCAdultChronicles]]|[''Links to game.'']

v2.3 is now available! Explore [[CWCville]]'s overworld, meet a friend(?) at church, anger the local squirrels, and more!}}

{{quotebox|speaker=Chris|I never really approved this particular game, because it is not accurate of me or of Cwcville and the Sonichus and Rosechus. The chaos portrayed in it is not at all valid nor in this time.
⚡️💙⚡️}}

==New Episode from Season 10==
7 August 
11:40 PM

{{quoteboxgreen|speaker=Jacqueline 🏳️‍⚧️🏳️‍🌈🐴ΘΔ|Hello ponies
[''Posts GIF of [[My Little Pony]] with the caption "A NEW EPISODE OF MY LITTLE PONY".'']}}

{{quotebox|speaker=Chris|#[[MLP]][[G4]] New Episode from Season 10.}}

==The Event is Here: Dark Forces Can't Hold Us Back Any Longer!==
10 August 
11:17 AM

{{quotebox|''[[https://www.youtube.com/live/m6MrLfQtQX8?si=jsL6liM6Mi48nJMD Posts link to a YouTube livestream.]]''}}

==100K subs==
14 August 
2:39 PM

{{quotebox|[[Honor Roll|100,000 Thousand!]] Yas! [[Youtube|@YouTube]] [[Chris and his ego|owes]] me a button. ⚡️💙⚡️

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{{Social media}}

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2024-08-14T20:22:55Z

XelaBlueThunder:

Talk:Jail Art (reverse side)

2024-08-13T17:48:35Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* The pieces form a story. */

== Merger ==

Planning to merge [[Wedded Schultzes]], [[An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021]], and [[:File:Jail Art - 31 August 2022 - Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog - Reverse.jpg]] into this page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:47, 11 April 2023 (EDT)

== The pieces form a story. ==

The check we found today related to one of the ones from prior. Specifically, there's one on here from a day prior, which states that Chris recieved a check for around 310 bucks. The next day, his balance fell from around 637 bucks to $489,17. I think it can be ascertained from this that Caden sent him the money to cover the HRT.
The "PAYMENT FOR TR" or "PAYMENT FOR (?)" actually stand for "PAYMENT FOR TRANS" (As, in, payment for transitioning medicine). The envelope from now seems to be some sort of a regulatory payment. [[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:48, 13 August 2024 (EDT)

Talk:Jail Art (reverse side)

2024-08-13T17:48:25Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* The pieces form a story. */

Talk:Jail Art (reverse side)

2024-08-13T17:47:51Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* The pieces form a story. */ new section

== Merger ==

Planning to merge [[Wedded Schultzes]], [[An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021]], and [[:File:Jail Art - 31 August 2022 - Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog - Reverse.jpg]] into this page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 03:47, 11 April 2023 (EDT)

== The pieces form a story. ==

The check we found today related to one of the ones from prior. Specifically, there's one on here from a day prior, which states that Chris recieved a check for around 310 bucks. The next day, his balance fell from around 637 bucks to $489,17. I think it can be ascertained from this that Caden sent him the money to cover the HRT.
The "PAYMENT FOR TR or PAYMENT FOR (?) actually stand for "PAYMENT FOR TRANS" (As, in, payment for transitioning medicine). The envelope from now seems to be some sort of a regulatory payment.

Jail Art (reverse side)

2024-08-13T17:35:53Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Transcript (Side, left) */

While in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]], Chris drew [[jail art]] as commissions for customers or for [[Praetor]] to sell online. Some customers have noticed that the '''reverse side of the art''' has titles of the art piece, or an Artist's Note by Chris explaining his thought process with the art.

Customers have also noticed that, since the jail art was drawn on the backs of official CVRJ paperwork, the reverse side of the art contains information such as Chris's account balance. Sometimes the information was scribbled over with pen, but still remain legible.
__TOC__
==Wedded Schultzes==

'''Wedded Schultzes''' is a piece of jail art Chris drew on 29 [[June 2022]]. The drawing was accompanied by an artist note, written on a piece of paper which was a receipt showing Chris's commissary balance. The information pertaining to the commissary had been scratched out with pen, but still remain visible.

===Notes===
The heading reads

*041985 : CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W

*Location: MEDICAL [[CVRJ]] 03 03

On 05/31/2022, Chris purchased six Popcorn ($.90 each for a total of $5.40) and one Natural Fiber ($9.95).

Chris's balance after the purchases is unclear due to the scribbling which seems to read $468.15.

===Transcript===
Artists Note: For Reference, more than 99% of ALL Sonichus and Rosechus are standing at 3 feet 5 inches (not counting the ears. TALL Sonichus and/or Rosechus are Uber Rare, and thinking of the scale in height, even while levitating myself in the event, was a bit of a headache. Anyway. Bless you both, I do. Be happy, safe, and well with love.

Mrs. Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

Wedded Schultzes

<center><gallery>
File:JailArt24.jpg|Wedded Schultzes
File:JailArt24 Invoice.jpg|Artist's Note, with Chris's CVRJ info poorly scribbled over.
</gallery></center>

==An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021==
'''An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021''' is a piece of jail art drawn on 5 [[June 2022]]. It was a commission request, made through [[Praetor]]'s shop, by TheRedBaron. TheRedBaron stated that his request was for "a drawing of Chris with his mother surrounded by sonichu characters".<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Jail Art]]</ref> The drawing was accompanied by an artist note, written on the reverse of the paper which was a receipt showing Chris's [[CVRJ]] account balance. The information pertaining to the account had been scratched out with pen, but still remain visible.

===Notes===
The heading reads:
*041985: CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W

*Loc: MEDICAL CVRJ 03 03

The paperwork is a check for $309.72 being added to Chris's account on 5/11/2022. The prior balance was $327.47, resulting in a Main Balance of $637.19.

===Transcript===
An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021

Artist's Notes: I've pondered how to properly draw the self-portrait of Barbara upon receiving the commission description recently. I've opted for an Honest piece reflecting past-tense emotions that were still present. I had foreknown of mine and Barbara's separation two months, less than, later and the betrayal circumstances. But, essentially, regardless of her past emotional manipulations and whatnot, I still cared and had patience when it came to tending to her care. Yet I could not escape emotions that she and I had already were drifting apart. And that had become more clear over the past year with her worsening handicaps and lethargy. I've realized, despite my efforts with her, she had become an emotional burden even moreso than before and was holding me back. But ultimately, to return to better progress, work and life, I have had to make the hard emotional choice to let her go. I've wept while writing this.

Mrs. Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu.

<center><gallery>
File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021.jpg|The art piece
File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021 (Artist's Note).jpg|Artist's Note
</gallery></center>

==Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog==
'''Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog''' is a piece of jail art drawn on 31 August 2022. The reverse side contains the title and information on Chris's billing in the medical department. Chris did not attempt to scribble out the information.

===Notes===
On 29 [[August 2022]], Chris was billed $24 for "Medical : 8RX 08/27/22". The Prior Balance and Main Balance are both $0, and Medical Debt is listed as $26.29.

<center><gallery>
File:Jailart8-31-2.jpg|Art piece
File:Jail Art - 31 August 2022 - Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog - Reverse.jpg|Back side
</gallery></center>

==Goddess At Work==
'''Goddess At Work''' is a piece of jail art dated 18 [[July 2022]]. It was uploaded to a previously little-known [[DeviantART]] account on 23 August 2023. It is apparently drawn on the back of a receipt for medicine rendered at a medical location while he was incarcerated. The bottom portion appears to be two handwritten notes; the left side hints at his eventual return to the [[Sonichu Temple]]. The right side appears to be instructions for cards in his [[TSSSF]].

===Transcript (Top)===
041985 CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W.

Loc: MEDICAL (?) 04 03

VIT D3 ACETAMINOPHEN, CULTURELLE (?)

SPIRONOLACTONE PROPRANOLOL PROGESTERONE OMEPRAZOLE

ESTRADIOL 8/20/202(2)

BillPay PAYMENT FOR TR(?) $508.06

===Transcript (Bottom)===
(Left side) It has been nearly a year, I am fully [released?] back Home, [[Sonichu Temple]] and at work Better...

(Right side) Fully Awakened God-Author Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

When you Ship the ... with a Pony ... draw one Ship card ... to the Pony and that Ship card ... attract a Pony...

<center><gallery>
File:Goddess at work by nightstarrosechu2891 dg6od9g-414w-2x.jpg|Original piece as uploaded
File:Goddess At Work Enhanced.png|Sharpened and inverted top portion of image
File:Goddess At Work Enhanced Bottom.png|Sharpened and curves-adjusted bottom portion of image
</gallery></center>

==Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004==
'''Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004''' is jail art dated 14 [[May 2022]]. The reverse side of it, which Chris poorly attempted to scribble out, was shared by the buyer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2120#post-19079693 ([https://archive.fo/XaTVW#selection-4951.20-4952.1 archive])</ref> It shows that [[Caden Peck]] is listed as the recipient of Chris's billing.

===Transcript (Bottom)===
Sonichu Prime's and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First{{refn|group="note"|Chris forgot to write "first" in and added it on top later}} Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004 (This is Why we Colour the Pages and Art)

===Transcript (Side, left)===
041986: CHANDLER, CHRISTINE WESTON

Loc: MEDICAL CVRJ 03 03

By: F. HORROCKS From: ADMIN

Bill Mailings/Copies: Mail to: CADEN PECK

BillPay PAYMENT FOR TRANS 1052341

Sign:

===Transcript (Side, right)===
1052341

Acct: CntrlVA 27729
5/12/20229:04:24 PM

Prior Balance: $489,19

$0,53 CHRG

$0,53

Main Balance: $488,57

<center><gallery>
File:JailArt11.jpg|Art piece
File:JailArt11 - reverse (reduced size).jpg|Reverse showing note and poorly-redacted paperwork
File:JailArt11 - reverse, closeup1 (reduced size).jpg|Reverse, closeup 1
File:JailArt11 - reverse, closeup2 (reduced size).jpg|Reverse, closeup 2
</gallery></center>
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

{{JailLetter}}

Jail Art (reverse side)

2024-08-13T17:35:26Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Transcript (Side, right) */

While in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]], Chris drew [[jail art]] as commissions for customers or for [[Praetor]] to sell online. Some customers have noticed that the '''reverse side of the art''' has titles of the art piece, or an Artist's Note by Chris explaining his thought process with the art.

Customers have also noticed that, since the jail art was drawn on the backs of official CVRJ paperwork, the reverse side of the art contains information such as Chris's account balance. Sometimes the information was scribbled over with pen, but still remain legible.
__TOC__
==Wedded Schultzes==

'''Wedded Schultzes''' is a piece of jail art Chris drew on 29 [[June 2022]]. The drawing was accompanied by an artist note, written on a piece of paper which was a receipt showing Chris's commissary balance. The information pertaining to the commissary had been scratched out with pen, but still remain visible.

===Notes===
The heading reads

*041985 : CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W

*Location: MEDICAL [[CVRJ]] 03 03

On 05/31/2022, Chris purchased six Popcorn ($.90 each for a total of $5.40) and one Natural Fiber ($9.95).

Chris's balance after the purchases is unclear due to the scribbling which seems to read $468.15.

===Transcript===
Artists Note: For Reference, more than 99% of ALL Sonichus and Rosechus are standing at 3 feet 5 inches (not counting the ears. TALL Sonichus and/or Rosechus are Uber Rare, and thinking of the scale in height, even while levitating myself in the event, was a bit of a headache. Anyway. Bless you both, I do. Be happy, safe, and well with love.

Mrs. Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

Wedded Schultzes

<center><gallery>
File:JailArt24.jpg|Wedded Schultzes
File:JailArt24 Invoice.jpg|Artist's Note, with Chris's CVRJ info poorly scribbled over.
</gallery></center>

==An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021==
'''An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021''' is a piece of jail art drawn on 5 [[June 2022]]. It was a commission request, made through [[Praetor]]'s shop, by TheRedBaron. TheRedBaron stated that his request was for "a drawing of Chris with his mother surrounded by sonichu characters".<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Jail Art]]</ref> The drawing was accompanied by an artist note, written on the reverse of the paper which was a receipt showing Chris's [[CVRJ]] account balance. The information pertaining to the account had been scratched out with pen, but still remain visible.

===Notes===
The heading reads:
*041985: CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W

*Loc: MEDICAL CVRJ 03 03

The paperwork is a check for $309.72 being added to Chris's account on 5/11/2022. The prior balance was $327.47, resulting in a Main Balance of $637.19.

===Transcript===
An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021

Artist's Notes: I've pondered how to properly draw the self-portrait of Barbara upon receiving the commission description recently. I've opted for an Honest piece reflecting past-tense emotions that were still present. I had foreknown of mine and Barbara's separation two months, less than, later and the betrayal circumstances. But, essentially, regardless of her past emotional manipulations and whatnot, I still cared and had patience when it came to tending to her care. Yet I could not escape emotions that she and I had already were drifting apart. And that had become more clear over the past year with her worsening handicaps and lethargy. I've realized, despite my efforts with her, she had become an emotional burden even moreso than before and was holding me back. But ultimately, to return to better progress, work and life, I have had to make the hard emotional choice to let her go. I've wept while writing this.

Mrs. Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu.

<center><gallery>
File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021.jpg|The art piece
File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021 (Artist's Note).jpg|Artist's Note
</gallery></center>

==Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog==
'''Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog''' is a piece of jail art drawn on 31 August 2022. The reverse side contains the title and information on Chris's billing in the medical department. Chris did not attempt to scribble out the information.

===Notes===
On 29 [[August 2022]], Chris was billed $24 for "Medical : 8RX 08/27/22". The Prior Balance and Main Balance are both $0, and Medical Debt is listed as $26.29.

<center><gallery>
File:Jailart8-31-2.jpg|Art piece
File:Jail Art - 31 August 2022 - Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog - Reverse.jpg|Back side
</gallery></center>

==Goddess At Work==
'''Goddess At Work''' is a piece of jail art dated 18 [[July 2022]]. It was uploaded to a previously little-known [[DeviantART]] account on 23 August 2023. It is apparently drawn on the back of a receipt for medicine rendered at a medical location while he was incarcerated. The bottom portion appears to be two handwritten notes; the left side hints at his eventual return to the [[Sonichu Temple]]. The right side appears to be instructions for cards in his [[TSSSF]].

===Transcript (Top)===
041985 CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W.

Loc: MEDICAL (?) 04 03

VIT D3 ACETAMINOPHEN, CULTURELLE (?)

SPIRONOLACTONE PROPRANOLOL PROGESTERONE OMEPRAZOLE

ESTRADIOL 8/20/202(2)

BillPay PAYMENT FOR TR(?) $508.06

===Transcript (Bottom)===
(Left side) It has been nearly a year, I am fully [released?] back Home, [[Sonichu Temple]] and at work Better...

(Right side) Fully Awakened God-Author Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

When you Ship the ... with a Pony ... draw one Ship card ... to the Pony and that Ship card ... attract a Pony...

<center><gallery>
File:Goddess at work by nightstarrosechu2891 dg6od9g-414w-2x.jpg|Original piece as uploaded
File:Goddess At Work Enhanced.png|Sharpened and inverted top portion of image
File:Goddess At Work Enhanced Bottom.png|Sharpened and curves-adjusted bottom portion of image
</gallery></center>

==Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004==
'''Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004''' is jail art dated 14 [[May 2022]]. The reverse side of it, which Chris poorly attempted to scribble out, was shared by the buyer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2120#post-19079693 ([https://archive.fo/XaTVW#selection-4951.20-4952.1 archive])</ref> It shows that [[Caden Peck]] is listed as the recipient of Chris's billing.

===Transcript (Bottom)===
Sonichu Prime's and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First{{refn|group="note"|Chris forgot to write "first" in and added it on top later}} Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004 (This is Why we Colour the Pages and Art)

===Transcript (Side, left)===
041986: CHANDLER, CHRISTINE WESTON
Loc: MEDICAL CVRJ 03 03
By: F. HORROCKS From: ADMIN
Bill Mailings/Copies: Mail to: CADEN PECK
BillPay PAYMENT FOR TRANS 1052341
Sign:

===Transcript (Side, right)===
1052341

Acct: CntrlVA 27729
5/12/20229:04:24 PM

Prior Balance: $489,19

$0,53 CHRG

$0,53

Main Balance: $488,57

<center><gallery>
File:JailArt11.jpg|Art piece
File:JailArt11 - reverse (reduced size).jpg|Reverse showing note and poorly-redacted paperwork
File:JailArt11 - reverse, closeup1 (reduced size).jpg|Reverse, closeup 1
File:JailArt11 - reverse, closeup2 (reduced size).jpg|Reverse, closeup 2
</gallery></center>
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

{{JailLetter}}

Jail Art (reverse side)

2024-08-13T17:34:28Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Transcript */

While in [[Central Virginia Regional Jail]], Chris drew [[jail art]] as commissions for customers or for [[Praetor]] to sell online. Some customers have noticed that the '''reverse side of the art''' has titles of the art piece, or an Artist's Note by Chris explaining his thought process with the art.

Customers have also noticed that, since the jail art was drawn on the backs of official CVRJ paperwork, the reverse side of the art contains information such as Chris's account balance. Sometimes the information was scribbled over with pen, but still remain legible.
__TOC__
==Wedded Schultzes==

'''Wedded Schultzes''' is a piece of jail art Chris drew on 29 [[June 2022]]. The drawing was accompanied by an artist note, written on a piece of paper which was a receipt showing Chris's commissary balance. The information pertaining to the commissary had been scratched out with pen, but still remain visible.

===Notes===
The heading reads

*041985 : CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W

*Location: MEDICAL [[CVRJ]] 03 03

On 05/31/2022, Chris purchased six Popcorn ($.90 each for a total of $5.40) and one Natural Fiber ($9.95).

Chris's balance after the purchases is unclear due to the scribbling which seems to read $468.15.

===Transcript===
Artists Note: For Reference, more than 99% of ALL Sonichus and Rosechus are standing at 3 feet 5 inches (not counting the ears. TALL Sonichus and/or Rosechus are Uber Rare, and thinking of the scale in height, even while levitating myself in the event, was a bit of a headache. Anyway. Bless you both, I do. Be happy, safe, and well with love.

Mrs. Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

Wedded Schultzes

<center><gallery>
File:JailArt24.jpg|Wedded Schultzes
File:JailArt24 Invoice.jpg|Artist's Note, with Chris's CVRJ info poorly scribbled over.
</gallery></center>

==An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021==
'''An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021''' is a piece of jail art drawn on 5 [[June 2022]]. It was a commission request, made through [[Praetor]]'s shop, by TheRedBaron. TheRedBaron stated that his request was for "a drawing of Chris with his mother surrounded by sonichu characters".<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (other users)#Jail Art]]</ref> The drawing was accompanied by an artist note, written on the reverse of the paper which was a receipt showing Chris's [[CVRJ]] account balance. The information pertaining to the account had been scratched out with pen, but still remain visible.

===Notes===
The heading reads:
*041985: CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W

*Loc: MEDICAL CVRJ 03 03

The paperwork is a check for $309.72 being added to Chris's account on 5/11/2022. The prior balance was $327.47, resulting in a Main Balance of $637.19.

===Transcript===
An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021

Artist's Notes: I've pondered how to properly draw the self-portrait of Barbara upon receiving the commission description recently. I've opted for an Honest piece reflecting past-tense emotions that were still present. I had foreknown of mine and Barbara's separation two months, less than, later and the betrayal circumstances. But, essentially, regardless of her past emotional manipulations and whatnot, I still cared and had patience when it came to tending to her care. Yet I could not escape emotions that she and I had already were drifting apart. And that had become more clear over the past year with her worsening handicaps and lethargy. I've realized, despite my efforts with her, she had become an emotional burden even moreso than before and was holding me back. But ultimately, to return to better progress, work and life, I have had to make the hard emotional choice to let her go. I've wept while writing this.

Mrs. Jesus Christine Weston Chandler Sonichu.

<center><gallery>
File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021.jpg|The art piece
File:Jail Art - 05Jun22 - An Honest Self-Portrait from June, 2021 (Artist's Note).jpg|Artist's Note
</gallery></center>

==Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog==
'''Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog''' is a piece of jail art drawn on 31 August 2022. The reverse side contains the title and information on Chris's billing in the medical department. Chris did not attempt to scribble out the information.

===Notes===
On 29 [[August 2022]], Chris was billed $24 for "Medical : 8RX 08/27/22". The Prior Balance and Main Balance are both $0, and Medical Debt is listed as $26.29.

<center><gallery>
File:Jailart8-31-2.jpg|Art piece
File:Jail Art - 31 August 2022 - Sonichu Prime Mach Speed Thunderpunches Scourge the Hedgehog - Reverse.jpg|Back side
</gallery></center>

==Goddess At Work==
'''Goddess At Work''' is a piece of jail art dated 18 [[July 2022]]. It was uploaded to a previously little-known [[DeviantART]] account on 23 August 2023. It is apparently drawn on the back of a receipt for medicine rendered at a medical location while he was incarcerated. The bottom portion appears to be two handwritten notes; the left side hints at his eventual return to the [[Sonichu Temple]]. The right side appears to be instructions for cards in his [[TSSSF]].

===Transcript (Top)===
041985 CHANDLER, CHRISTINE W.

Loc: MEDICAL (?) 04 03

VIT D3 ACETAMINOPHEN, CULTURELLE (?)

SPIRONOLACTONE PROPRANOLOL PROGESTERONE OMEPRAZOLE

ESTRADIOL 8/20/202(2)

BillPay PAYMENT FOR TR(?) $508.06

===Transcript (Bottom)===
(Left side) It has been nearly a year, I am fully [released?] back Home, [[Sonichu Temple]] and at work Better...

(Right side) Fully Awakened God-Author Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu

When you Ship the ... with a Pony ... draw one Ship card ... to the Pony and that Ship card ... attract a Pony...

<center><gallery>
File:Goddess at work by nightstarrosechu2891 dg6od9g-414w-2x.jpg|Original piece as uploaded
File:Goddess At Work Enhanced.png|Sharpened and inverted top portion of image
File:Goddess At Work Enhanced Bottom.png|Sharpened and curves-adjusted bottom portion of image
</gallery></center>

==Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004==
'''Sonichu Prime and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004''' is jail art dated 14 [[May 2022]]. The reverse side of it, which Chris poorly attempted to scribble out, was shared by the buyer.<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2120#post-19079693 ([https://archive.fo/XaTVW#selection-4951.20-4952.1 archive])</ref> It shows that [[Caden Peck]] is listed as the recipient of Chris's billing.

===Transcript (Bottom)===
Sonichu Prime's and Rosey Rosechu Prime's First{{refn|group="note"|Chris forgot to write "first" in and added it on top later}} Visit to a Village of Wild Sonichus and Rosechus in 2004 (This is Why we Colour the Pages and Art)

===Transcript (Side, left)===
041986: CHANDLER, CHRISTINE WESTON
Loc: MEDICAL CVRJ 03 03
By: F. HORROCKS From: ADMIN
Bill Mailings/Copies: Mail to: CADEN PECK
BillPay PAYMENT FOR TRANS 1052341
Sign:

===Transcript (Side, right)===
1052341
Acct: CntrlVA 27729
5/12/20229:04:24 PM
Prior Balance: $489,19
$0,53 CHRG
$0,53
Main Balance: $488,57

<center><gallery>
File:JailArt11.jpg|Art piece
File:JailArt11 - reverse (reduced size).jpg|Reverse showing note and poorly-redacted paperwork
File:JailArt11 - reverse, closeup1 (reduced size).jpg|Reverse, closeup 1
File:JailArt11 - reverse, closeup2 (reduced size).jpg|Reverse, closeup 2
</gallery></center>
{{Notes}}
{{References}}

{{JailLetter}}

Praetor

2024-08-10T15:50:18Z

XelaBlueThunder: I hate myself.

{{Unreliable|type=cred|The members will occasionally say edgy and disgusting things purely for shock value.<ref>[[:File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg]]</ref>}}
{{quote|Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right?|Caden Peck<ref>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
{{quote| And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with [[Barb]], and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}
[[File:PraetorLogo.jpg|400px|thumb|Praetor's logo]]
{{Infobox Person
|image = Cadenimagehighquality.png
|title = Caden Peck
|name = Caden Michael Peck
|gender = Male
|day = 17
|month = 9
|year = 2002
|aliases = Praetor tinyhorse01
|race = White
|nationality = [[American]]
|occupation = Owner of Praetor LLC Owner of [[OfficialCWCmart]] Landlord Illegal Drug Manufacturer Student at [[wikipedia:Northwest Missouri State University|Northwest Missouri State University]]<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17231390</ref>
|saga = {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}, {{saga|jail|cn}}, '''[[Template:RevelationsSaga|Revelations]]'''
}}

'''Praetor LLC''' is a group of edgy Gen-Z [[carpetbaggers]]. They first came into contact with Chris in [[2020]] with the aim of producing and selling ''Sonichu'' and Chris-themed products on their [[Etsy]] store [[OfficialCWCmart]] with Chris's permission, giving him a cut of the profits. In [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. Praetor has since expanded to other, more bizarre, products, some produced by the group, and others by Chris. Chris's income split for products made by him is unknown. As of [[2023]], OfficialCWCmart has generated more than 3000 sales, giving them a minimum of between $49,905 and $116,000 in revenue, although their actual revenue is unknown but potentially higher.<ref>Of 3327 sales. Their lowest-priced item is $15, and a popular medallion item is $35. Several items such as art generally sold for $200 each</ref> While the sales have slowed down considerably, by [[March 2024]], the number has increased to over 4200.

During the [[Jail Saga]], Chris continued communicating with them, mailing them art from jail, which they added to [[OfficialCWCmart]].

Upon Chris's being released from jail, they have continued their involvement. In June 2023, Praetor member Caden Peck was involved with financing a [[Big Island, VA]] house, which Chris moved into later that year. During [[The Chris Chan Interview]], Chris mentioned paying rent. Chris has uploaded or live-streamed several highly edited videos which all promote [[OfficialCWCmart]].

==Membership==
[[File:Praetor_Instagram_tags_copy-min.png|350px|thumb|From left to right: Annie Ikenberry, Cabell O'Malley, Caden Peck, and Chris.]]
{{Quote|In the group, Annie is very much psychically able. Owen is like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs. Cabell is also psychically inclined, but she's the artist. Caden is very open-minded, and the brains and business.|Chris<ref name=naughtdms>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>}}

While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there were at least three other members as of late [[2020]], along with several additional collaborators. The four core members were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}}. Owen left the group sometime prior to [[June 2021]], and while there's no conclusive evidence on Annabel leaving, she had a 10 month break in making content following 25 [[December 2023]], after which she had made her own website to sell her [[Mass debating|content]] on. There is no indication that Cabell remained involved with Praetor after Chris's [[Incest arrest|arrest for incest]] in [[August 2021]], making Caden the only confirmed remaining member. It's very possible, however, that he has since hired more members to produce art, as many of the products made since [[Chris and art|aren't total shite]].
===Caden Michael Peck===
'''Caden Michael Peck''' (born 17 September [[2002]]), also known as '''tinyhorse01''', is a 21-year old man. In June 2023, Caden, along with Essential Estate LLC, purchased a [[Big Island, VA]] house. Chris currently lives in the house and pays rent.

===Annabel Ikenberry===
'''Annabel "Annie" Renée Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') was an erocosplayer and OnlyFans camgirl. In [[Taser Discussion]], Caden implies that her OnlyFans was one of Praetor's business ventures, and that she had created it to make money for Praetor. According to Chris, she is "psychically able." In a 17 [[February 2021]] discussion with the [[Watchmen]], Chris confessed that he had considered her for a possible relationship.<ref>[[Lonely feelings]]</ref>

===Owen Sundstrom===
'''Owen Scott Sundstrom''' ('''owen_sundstrom''') is the former co-founder of Praetor. He was present at the [[Goochland Library Sermon]], where he was photographed posing with Chris. He also appears to be the photographer who took the picture of Chris and Praetor at the Chinese restaurant. According to Chris, Owen is "like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs." Owen, along with Caden, suggested a link between the Mayan calendar and Chris's [[The Place chats - Lore Mashup|dream about a golden disc]].<ref name=naughtdms></ref>

In [[June 2021]], a Christorian left a comment on Owen's [[Instagram]], writing<ref name=oweninsta>[[:File:OwenInsta.png]]</ref>:

{{quotebox|Can’t believe such a pretty face could be such a scummy person. Trying to convince an autistic man to tease himself while simultaneously making thousands of dollars by using said autistic man’s internet notoriety}}

Owen responded to this:

{{quoteboxred|🤣 awe u think I’m pretty? Also that wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,, however I do regret starting preator,, I was the wizard, not the business man}}

===Cabell O'Malley===
'''Cabell Fitzpatrick O'Malley''' was described by Chris in the [[Naught DMs]] as "psychically inclined, but she's the artist." When the [[Incest Call]] leaked, there was speculation that Cabell was a nickname for [[Bella]]; however, Chris's mention of Cabell in the DMs predates his earliest interaction with Bella. Cabell is the blonde woman featured in the [[Instagram]] photo of Praetor and Chris at a Chinese restaurant. Initially, Praetor mistagged Cabell, linking an unrelated account to her.

Given that Chris had referred to Cabell as the artist, it can be assumed that she was responsible for producing the medallions, as Chris has mentioned that the artist of the group was the one who created them.

===Isabella Loretta Janke===
{{main|Isabella Loretta Janke}}

'''Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke''', a troll most infamous for her horrid actions and [[Incest Call|revealing Chris's incestuous affair with his mother]], had relations with Praetor. They commissioned her to animate [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation of Chris and the Sonichu characters, which Chris uploaded to his YouTube channel. Despite her minimal role in the group, Chris has repeatedly referred to her as a member of Praetor, possibly alluding to more interactions between Bella and Praetor that have not been leaked.

===Golden Church of Sonichu members===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}

Messages from the [[Discord]] server [[Golden Church of Sonichu]] show that the members were working with Praetor. One member was supposedly making a video game, another was working on CGI for Praetor's [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|Chris Chan movie]], and another was making Chris Chan themed clothes. These members presumably stopped their interactions with Chris once he got arrested.

==Before Chris==
Caden, Owen, Annie, and Cabell were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}} in the late 2010s. [[Larry Vaughn]] claims that Praetor was "the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the [[Teen Troon Squad]] before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine"<ref name=larryvaughn>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17363984</ref>. [[Larry Vaughn]] referred to Owen Sundstrom as a "co-founder" of Praetor<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/page-15#post-8333293</ref>, which was confirmed in an Instagram messages by Owen, where he stated that he regrets "starting preator"<ref name=oweninsta></ref>.

Caden had claimed that Praetor has been around since [[2017]], working with "creative types."<ref name =q&a>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]</ref>. If this is true, Caden would have been 14 or 15 years old at the time of Praetor's creation. Caden also claimed that they worked with Kevin Baugh, founder of the {{w|Republic of Molossia}} ([[Molvanîa|no relation]]), and wrote a dissertation for him in order to officiate Molossia as a sovereign nation.<ref name=q&a></ref>

Praetor used to have a dedicated website, but was taken down by Caden due to the domain costs. He decided that instead of waiting to have "eccentric people" find him, he would personally reach out to them himself.<ref name=q&a></ref> [[Naught]] once claimed that Praetor went after other lolcows before Chris, including Tommy Tooter, whom they tried to make products for.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/</ref>

==The Beginning==
===Meeting Chris===
[[File:OGGoldenMedallion.jpg|200px|thumb|The golden medallion Praetor gave to Chris]]
[[File:Praetor3.jpg|250px|thumb|Chris in a meeting with Caden]]
{{quote|I've always known about Christine. She always struck me as unique in the sense that she is probably one of the most famous people ever who has profited the least from her fame.
When I heard that she had tried to launch a store before, but been overwhelmed, I knew that there was a chance at profit. I run almost everything I do privately, so I reached out to Christine myself.|Caden<ref name=q&a></ref>}}

On 21 [[September 2020]], a "trio of fans" came to Chris's door with a golden [[Medallion|Sonichu medallion,]] crafted by "the young lady of the group, with paint that had a mixture of 24K gold in it." The "tall boys" had a business proposition for Chris, that with their mold press, they could mass produce and sell Sonichu medallions.<ref name=placeassociates>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)|The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)]]</ref> Chris accepted, deeming them as trustworthy, and noted that he had a vision earlier where an artist crafted medallions for him.

{{quote|They have their business based in Goochland.

And I could tell by soul-reading them that their intentions were legit, honest and true.|Chris<ref name=placeassociates></ref>}}

===Introduced to the Watchmen===
On 22 [[September 2020]], Chris made a post on [[The Place]] [[Discord]] server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some "new associates."<ref name=placeassociates></ref> He mentions that they were going to talk about "the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while." After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.

On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the [[Watchmen]] again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Patreon_Troubles,_Chris's_Online_Social_Life,_%22The_Boys,%22_Praetor_LLC_Revealed|Patreon Troubles, Chris's Online Social Life, The Boys, Praetor LLC Revealed]]</ref>. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a "lore bible."<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Lore_Bible_Discussion|Lore Bible Discussion]]</ref>. On the 15th, Praetor's [[Discord]] account, ran by Caden Peck, joined the [[The Place]] Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.<ref name =q&a></ref>

{{collapsible|Chat Excerpts|{{quoteboxnavy|We'll initially be only selling Medallions. These act as a trial run, testing market interest. Along the way, we will add more products. These will include but not be limited to comics, cards, and possibly amino figurines.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|It costs about 3 dollars per medallion. We sell them for 25 apiece, as to match our competitors. Etsy brand imposters are selling Medallions for 25-30. To uproot them, we must match or go below their prices.

If business is good, we'll increase sales by discounting them, selling them for 15-20}}
{{quoteboxnavy|In order to emulate Sonichu's original medallion, they are stamped in a mold we made and baked. Then, painted. We mail them from our own company pocket for a while, as it is cheaper then registration with a mailing company. When we get big enough, we can afford to register and get discounted shipping services}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We've not shipped any yet, so we only have estimates. It won't be more then a few dollars.
The medallions are not large not heavy.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We signed a confidentiality agreement with Sonichu, as we are a company. If Sonichu gives her consent, I can disclose profit splits and profit estimates.}}
{{quoteboxnavy| We've worked with creative types for about 3 years now. You may recognize a few of my more eccentric clients!
Have any of you ever heard of Molossia?}}

After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia:

{{quoteboxnavy|We don't only do merch. We helped him find someone to write a dissertation on the micronation's sovereignty.

He's using that to try and officiate his territory as a nation.

More power to him, I suppose.

What do y'all do? I'm excited to be working with this team.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|I used to have a website, but due to domain costs I took it down. When it comes to clients, I find that it's easier to find eccentric people then to have them find you. If you're interested in partnership or a meeting, I've been transitioning us to social media. We have a new twitter and an Instagram.
Our email is llcpraetor@gmail.com.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|@praetor_llc and the Twitter is @praetor
With social media, I can find my own clientele. Considering that I'm here, seems like things are working out!}}

On another brand named 'Praetor LLC':

{{quoteboxnavy|Oh no, we know about Praetor LLC. They're actually not trademarked, we've talked to them. Their site is a homedone project. The only internationally trademarked Praetor brand is Praetor Technologies.}}
}}

===Introduced to the Public===
On 16 October, they arranged for Chris to give [[Goochland Library Sermon|a sermon at Goochland library]], where he spewed his [[Dimensional Merge]] delusions. This spiel was done in front of a large screen displaying the Praetor logo. When it was eventually released on YouTube, it started with a loud dramatic opening, commissioned from an unknown source. They also added sarcastic captions, mocking Chris. The Praetor members took photos with Chris after the sermon.

<center><gallery>
File:Tinyhorse02.png|With Caden.
File:Praetor4.jpg|With Owen.
File:Praetor5.jpg|Arguably one of the most iconic images of Chris out there, appearing on news articles and formerly on his Wikitubia page until 1 March 2024.</gallery></center>

On 19 October, Praetor's presence was made known to the public, when they released multiple photos of Chris and the members of Praetor at a Chinese restaurant. One of these images included the members' Instagram handles, making it very easy for them to get doxxed.

<center><gallery>
File:PraetorLLC.jpg|
File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|With [[Instagram]] handles.
</gallery></center>

On 13 [[November 2020]], Chris uploaded [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation that Praetor had commissioned from [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. After this, Bella began regularly chatting with Chris, [[Incest Call|eventually becoming rather infamous for unrelated reasons]].

===Starting the Etsy shop===
[[File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor somehow manages to make the medallion look ''worse'']]
[[File:RedRobe.jpg|300px|thumb|Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robe, sold a year after the server died out]]

In December, Praetor created an Etsy shop, [[OfficialCWCmart]], where they began selling ''Sonichu'' medallions made by the group. The medallions produced by them manage to look much worse than any medallions made by Chris, and are completely inconsistent in how they look. According to several reviews on their store, they aren't also given enough time to dry up, resulting in still wet paint and hair stuck to the surface.

{{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}

Praetor has since offered items made by Chris himself for sale, such as some medallion variants and [[Jail Art]]. Aside from a royalty payment from [[January 2021]], made by Praetor to Chris when OfficialCWCmart was only selling Praetor-made medallions,<ref name=praetorcash>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> Chris's share of the profits is unknown. When an [[Instagram]] user accused Owen Sundstrom of exploiting Chris for money, he responded, claiming that he tried to give Chris as much as he could.

{{quote|That wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,,|Owen<ref name=oweninsta></ref>}}

===Royalty payment===
On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering ''Sonichu'' medallions for sale on [[OfficialCWCmart]]; the medallions were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. In exchange, Chris was paid a royalty for the use of his ''Sonichu'' IP.

A month later, the [[Watchmen]] noticed that OfficialCWCmart had made $5,900 worth of sales revenue on their medallion product, also the store's only product at the time.<ref name=medallionrevenue>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> In mid-January 2021, Chris told the Watchmen he had received nearly $400 in small cash amounts for his share.<ref name=praetorcash></ref> This equates to at least a 6.7% royalty (possibly more as date of Chris's payment is unknown). While royalty rates can vary, Chris's rate falls within a typical range.<ref>https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/licensing-artwork-negotiating-monitoring-royalty-payments-30093.html</ref>

Other information is unknown, such as Praetor's operating costs for the medallions and how much profit the group members had after expenses.

The Watchmen - among them [[MKRNightVee]] and [[Naught]] - erroneously believed that Chris was entitled to "almost all" of Praetor's revenue for the medallions.<ref name=medallionrevenue></ref> In the [[Taser Discussion]] call from [[February 2021]], MKR and Naught complained to Praetor's Caden. Chris himself did not mind, again pointing out he had been paid $400.

===Golden Church of Sonichu===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}
Praetor also created a [[Discord]] server, [[Golden Church of Sonichu]], which was created for anyone who bought their Golden Medallions on their Etsy shop. The server served as another outlet for Chris to rant about his delusions. Caden often posted in there too, giving insight into Praetor's bizarre business plans.

{{quote|-Christine has fully greenlit [REDACTED]'s video game. Please message Chris directly as soon as possible, as Christine would like to provide some direction with the game's storyline.

-The Praetor Flamethrower will be stress-tested this upcoming week at a local firing range sponsoring us. Please standby for future details.

-Christine has approved the future sale of Potions blessed by her. These are to be sold for less than $17 apiece, but a fixed price has not yet been decided. We need help finding cheaply shipped glassware in bulk. As cheap as possible is best, as we are going to be selling 3-4 kinds of potions stocked at at least 12 each. Bottles must be at very least 4oz, at most 16oz.

-Christine's Golden Medallions have already sold out. Expect more members soon.

-Test footage for [REDACTED] has been filmed in order to see if she can cgi a Sonichu next to Chris, allowing us to feature a Sonichu in the upcoming Chris Chan Movie. Please complete this as soon as possible, and we will kiss you on the mouth.|Caden<ref>[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]</ref>}}

Upon hacking into [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]'s account, [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|a short clip]] showing the behind-the-scenes process of the Chris Chan Movie was leaked. It shows Chris posing as a Praetor member commentates, telling him specific poses to do, while he's supposedly standing next to [[Rosechu]], who would be added in post as a CGI character.

==Taser Controversy==
{{see also|Taser}}
[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png|300px|thumb|The Taser]]
[[File:praetor cart.jpg|thumb|250px|The image featured in the instagram post]]
[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|250px|A message left for a customer who bought a taser]]

On 15 [[November 2020]], Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:

{{quote|As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!|Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.<ref>https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/ (archive: https://archive.ph/K6ojQ)</ref>}}

Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed "tasers".

===Conflict with the Watchmen===
{{see also|Taser Discussion}}
{{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.<ref name=tasercall>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
In [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].<ref name=thinking>[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]</ref>

The Watchmen confronted Caden about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their stun guns, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling.<ref name=thinking></ref> Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have [[Taser Discussion|a call]] about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.

Near the end of the call, [[Watchmen]] member [[Val]] jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone was shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself.

After this call, the [[Watchmen]] gained an intense hatred and rivarly for Praetor and especially Caden, seeing him as on the same level as [[Joshua Wise]] or [[Jacob Sockness]]. [[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]] then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached [[GiBi]], who made a video claiming it was fact.

===Larry Vaughn===
{{see also|Larry Vaughn}}

Naught then doxxed Caden on the forum, which led to [[Larry Vaughn]] making multiple posts sharing his experiences with Praetor. While many were skeptical of Vaughn's claims, due to him arguably being an unreliable narrator, his [[Larry Vaughn DMs|DMs with Chris]] reveal that he did in fact have a phone call with Caden, meaning his post is most likely true<ref>[[Larry Vaughn DMs#Coded Message for Twitter Users]]</ref>.

{{collapsible|Larry Vaughn's Posts|
{{quote|Still hard to believe that [Caden Peck] legit thought that I was the representative of a group of rich folks that would buy shitty medallions so we could roleplay with Chris in a private Discord server.|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|So my initial contact with them was when Christine sent me Caden's phone number and asked me to call him. I initially thought that he was going to tell me to fuck off, but he at the time at least entertained the idea of bringing 'us' (LAnon) on board. He pitched the idea of 'golden sonichu medallions' to me, which were basically regular Sonichu medallions with a code or something on them that would grant people access to a discord group to talk with Chris directly. He said that Christine "was a very busy woman with everything going on, and that Praetor basically served to screen out trolls from legitimate business dealings so she could have time to focus on her tasks." I said that I would entertain their offer, and I would just need to take a headcount of who would be interested in one.

[...]

-Praetor was the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the Teen Troon Squad before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine, and eventually even this devolved into them basically becoming a slightly less shitty version of the idea guys 2.0

-They work in a nasty basement painting Sonichu medallions to sell. Now people seem to think that they just give Chris the money. They don't, they basically hold it from him unless he does what they want

-The amount of money they make is apparently enough that Christine could have hired a private investigator to come after me, and this person contacted me after Chris threatened to call the cops on me

-My 'big plan' (Sending Chris to Florida) was apparently liked by Caden, to the point that he would pay for a ticket for Chris

-Chris claimed that Null was on Praetor's side, and was working with them to hunt me down (whether this is real or a delusion of Chris' is yet to be determined)|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|To be honest Praetor just wants to further enable Chris at this point because doing so makes them money. Like they thought that I put mushrooms in the wine to poison Chris, they thought that they could get money from me, and they also thought that I was like 30 people.|Larry Vaughn<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Praetor]]</ref>}}
}}

===Resold===
In [[2022]], Praetor began selling tasers previously autographed by Chris on their Etsy shop, supposedly for the purpose of simulating "zapping to the extreme" for buyers. Etsy quickly removed this listing. Eventually, Praetor created a listing titled 'The Secret Listing', a listing that had no information on what it was. It was later revealed through [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|emails]] that The Secret Listing was a taser, with the fact hidden in order to bypass Etsy guidelines.

One of the people who bought the taser would mail it to the channel SuperMega, where they would unbox it on video<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5OaHIfMdY&ab_channel=SuperMega</ref>.

==Jail Saga==
{{see also|Praetor Jail Art|OfficialCWCmart#Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:PraetorLetter.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor's message to a customer who bought a piece of jail art]]

In [[July 2021]], Caden had plans to buy Chris a PC so he could do more streams,<ref>[[The_Knights_of_CWC_chats_(July_2021)#The_"Older_Lady_Friend"_Call_(Second_Layer_commentary)|Older Lady Friend Call]]</ref> however this plan was cut short by Chris's [[Incest Arrest|arrest]] after he [[Affair With Mother|fucked his mother]]. After Chris got kicked out of his house for this, he contacted Caden to try and get his assistance in finding a hotel, though it is unknown how Caden responded to this.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]</ref>

===Continued Business===
{{quote|Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 14 July 2022]]</ref>}}
Praetor continued to talk to Chris. At one point, Chris mentioned that Caden was working on publishing the "Goddess Log", his jail diary<ref>[[Jail Call - 1 November 2021]]</ref>.

In [[May 2022]], Praetor began selling [[Praetor Jail Art|art that Chris made in jail]], making their contact with Chris much more obvious. They also added [[Jail Medallion Promotions|audio clips]] of Chris promoting their medallions from jail to their Etsy. Aside from these, the products sold on [[OfficialCWCmart]] became increasingly strange, including arrowheads, cult robes, and signed g-fuel.

In [[June 2022]], Chris started mentioning Caden in his letters, expressing his desire to have [[Helena Fiorenza]] collaborate with him<ref>[[Jail Letter - 25 June 2022]]</ref>, though Caden did not respond when Helena attempted to do so<ref name=july21>[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]</ref>.

===Chris's Fundraiser Plan===
In [[July 2022]], Chris began writing in letters about his newfound hatred of [[Barb]]. He told Caden to check if Barb was still at [[14 Branchland Court]], which he apparently did. Chris then pulled several theoretical crimes out of his ass and instructed Caden to call the police on Barb, though there is no evidence Caden agreed to his request.

{{quote|By Caden’s confirmation, Barbara was still at the Sonichu Temple; Redneck and Stubborn. So, giving him the list of her charable crimes, including pet negigance/mistreatment, suicide threats, emotional manipulation and abuse upon I, and ADA’s law of using someone else’s SSI, I have instructed Caden alone, to call the police on her.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]</ref>}}

In another spate of selfishness, Chris, still desiring to live at 14 Branchland Court (but was allegedly legally forbidden from living with Barb, the owner of the house) decided on starting a $150,000 fundraiser to pay off [[14 Branchland Court]]'s mortgages and debts, and to put Barb in an Elderly Care Home. Chris hoped Caden, [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] and [[Helena]] would assist with his scheme.<ref name=july21></ref> Chris claimed to Helena that Caden was attempting to persuade Barb to move:<ref name=july21></ref>

{{quote|But Barb is being a Majorly Stubborn Individual in relocating her self. Caden is working on persuading her and presenting her with the Truths of the Legality.|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Chris also claimed he sent a letter to Caden directing him to organize the fundraiser. No such fundraiser has been announced.

{{quote|I have just sent a letter to Caden with all the specifics, and the one public letter and drawing on the matter, in organizing an online fundraiser to raise $150,000 to pay off the mortgage and debts, and some left to pay for her to start off in an Elderly Care Home|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Kenneth attempted to suggest Chris speak through a lawyer instead of Caden.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (1)]]</ref> Chris fired back angrily.

{{quote|And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}

Chris's fundraiser scheme predictably failed, and contributed to Kenneth, Helena and [[Eels]] cutting ties with him.<ref>[[Excommunication letter]]</ref>

===Interview===
{{main|March 2023 Praetor Interview}}
In [[March 2023]], Praetor had [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|an interview]] with a [[Kiwi Farms]] user. In this interview, they have claimed that Chris calls them twice a week about the Etsy store. They also stated that the store has earned Chris a lot of money, despite him still being in jail by that time.

{{quote|Chris calls twice a week to deal with the store, as no listings are made with out his express oversight. As for the cease and desists, we'd just advise that folk stay out of any trouble. Chris's cash has been accumulating, as the money he gets from both the store and monthly disability hasn't been touched while incarcerated.|Praetor}}

They have also stated that the reason Chris hasn't sent any letters or had any visitors is because [[David Heilberg]], Chris's lawyer, advised them to not let any "ill-meaning folk" near Chris.

{{quote|Both the lack of recent letters and having no visitors is intentional, as Heilberg advised us to close any way for ill-meaning folk to get close.|Praetor}}

They offer more insider knowledge on Chris, such as the fact that he had plans to grow a beard in prison (Something not realistically possible, considering he still took HRT while in jail and had problems growing facial hair even before the transition), and that he had plans to return, with strange aspirations as well, which did come true with the release of [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned]].

==Post-jail involvement==
{{see also|OfficialCWCmart#Post-Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:Coveredsonchu.png|250px|thumb|What appears to be [[Son-Chu]], covered up so trolls wouldn't spot it, spotted on a Google Maps view of Caden's house]]
After plenty of sightings online and [[Post-jail sightings|offline]], Chris finally made his grand return in [[October 2023]]. Along with Chris's return, [[OfficialCWCmart]] returned as well, stocked with a plethora of new items. This included new [[Medallions|Sonichu medallions]], with brand new pictures of Chris in front of a green screen, new promotions of [[Neo Spiritual Christianity]], and [[2021 Lost Commissions|dozens upon dozens of lost commissions]] that Chris drew for the [[Everfree Northwest]] fundraiser in [[2021]]

Chris's new videos from this point forward were incredibly high quality (for Chris's standards), making it very likely that Praetor was behind these videos, as they have had previous experience with high-quality editing and Chris uses the same green screen which is used in the Etsy store. Chris also consistently promoted [[OfficialCWCmart]] in the description of these videos. The list of products has later further increased in [[January 2024]], as a result of a war with the newly released Sonichu merchandise from [[Geno Samuel]], though they appear to be the same overpriced low quality stuff as before. This has also expanded to [[Praetor Commissions|art commissions]] for a totally reasonable sum of $225-300.

===Big Island House===
[[File:BigIslandHouse.jpg|thumb|Photo of the house from Zillow]]

In [[June 2023]], a property in [[Big Island]] was transferred to Caden Peck, along with an LLC called "Essential Estate LLC", for $235,000. In [[November 2023]], [[Kiwi Farms]] users managed to find evidence of Chris living at the property. Firstly, Chris's [[November 2023 social media posts|P.O Box]], announced by Chris a few days earlier, was located only 22 minutes from the house, and Chris has been [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|previously sighted in Big Island]]. In an October 2023 Google Streetview, a car covered by a sheet can be seen outside the house, with a hubcap suspiciously similar to Chris's car. Lastly, in Chris's recent streams, we have occasionally gotten glimpses of his house, with one of the doors appearing in the streams perfectly matching up with a listing for the property. He has also posted several pictures of his rooms on the social media, which match with the house listing photos. This was finally confirmed by Chris in the [[May 2024 social media posts#Stalker gets caught on security camera|May 30 social media post]], in which he threathened a [[Ween]] taking pictures of him and Flutter at his property with footage from his monitoring system.

Caden does not actually live with Chris, as he has another residence in Maryville, Missouri. This is shown when, a month after buying the Big Island house, three felonies were filed against Caden by Maryville authorities for illegally manufacturing and delivering psilocybin mushrooms. On 28 August he pleaded guilty and received 5 years probation and 19 days in jail.<ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268-01&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/GUILTY%20PLEA%208-28-23.PDF?courtCode=04&di=936062</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/REDACTED%20PC%20STATEMENT%20PECK.PDF?courtCode=04&di=921031</ref> Further indication that Caden does not live in Big Island is in the [[October 2023]] livestream [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], in which Chris turns off the stream in order to respond to a phone call from Caden.

==See also==
*[[OfficialCWCmart]]
*[[Praetor Jail Art]]
*[[Goochland Library Sermon]]
*[[Taser]]
*[[Taser Discussion]]
*[[2021 Lost Commissions]]
*[[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]]
*[[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA]]
*[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]
*[[March 2023 Praetor Interview]]

==External links==
*[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram (deleted)]
*[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]
*[https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart Praetor's Etsy]

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Praetor

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{{Unreliable|type=cred|The members will occasionally say edgy and disgusting things purely for shock value.<ref>[[:File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg]]</ref>}}
{{quote|Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right?|Caden Peck<ref>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
{{quote| And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with [[Barb]], and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}
[[File:PraetorLogo.jpg|400px|thumb|Praetor's logo]]
{{Infobox Person
|image = Cadenimagehighquality.png
|title = Caden Peck
|name = Caden Michael Peck
|gender = Male
|day = 17
|month = 9
|year = 2002
|aliases = Praetor tinyhorse01
|race = White
|nationality = [[American]]
|occupation = Owner of Praetor LLC Owner of [[OfficialCWCmart]] Landlord Illegal Drug Manufacturer Student at [[wikipedia:Northwest Missouri State University|Northwest Missouri State University]]<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17231390</ref>
|saga = {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}, {{saga|jail|cn}}, '''[[Template:RevelationsSaga|Revelations]]'''
}}

'''Praetor LLC''' is a group of edgy Gen-Z [[carpetbaggers]]. They first came into contact with Chris in [[2020]] with the aim of producing and selling ''Sonichu'' and Chris-themed products on their [[Etsy]] store [[OfficialCWCmart]] with Chris's permission, giving him a cut of the profits. In [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. Praetor has since expanded to other, more bizarre, products, some produced by the group, and others by Chris. Chris's income split for products made by him is unknown. As of [[2023]], OfficialCWCmart has generated more than 3000 sales, giving them a minimum of between $49,905 and $116,000 in revenue, although their actual revenue is unknown but potentially higher.<ref>Of 3327 sales. Their lowest-priced item is $15, and a popular medallion item is $35. Several items such as art generally sold for $200 each</ref> While the sales have slowed down considerably, by [[March 2024]], the number has increased to over 4200.

During the [[Jail Saga]], Chris continued communicating with them, mailing them art from jail, which they added to [[OfficialCWCmart]].

Upon Chris's being released from jail, they have continued their involvement. In June 2023, Praetor member Caden Peck was involved with financing a [[Big Island, VA]] house, which Chris moved into later that year. During [[The Chris Chan Interview]], Chris mentioned paying rent. Chris has uploaded or live-streamed several highly edited videos which all promote [[OfficialCWCmart]].

==Membership==
[[File:Praetor_Instagram_tags_copy-min.png|350px|thumb|From left to right: Annie Ikenberry, Cabell O'Malley, Caden Peck, and Chris.]]
{{Quote|In the group, Annie is very much psychically able. Owen is like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs. Cabell is also psychically inclined, but she's the artist. Caden is very open-minded, and the brains and business.|Chris<ref name=naughtdms>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>}}

While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there were at least three other members as of late [[2020]], along with several additional collaborators. The four core members were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}}. Owen left the group sometime prior to [[June 2021]], and while there's no conclusive evidence on Annabel leaving, she had a 10 month break in making content following 25 [[December 2023]], after which she had made her own website to sell her [[Mass debating|content]] on. There is no indication that Cabell remained involved with Praetor after Chris's [[Incest arrest|arrest for incest]] in [[August 2021]], making Caden the only confirmed remaining member. It's very possible, however, that he has since hired more members to produce art, as many of the products made since [[Chris and art|aren't total shite]].
===Caden Michael Peck===
'''Caden Michael Peck''' (born 17 September [[2002]]), also known as '''tinyhorse01''', is a 21-year old man. In June 2023, Caden, along with Essential Estate LLC, purchased a [[Big Island, VA]] house. Chris currently lives in the house and pays rent.

===Annabel Ikenberry===
'''Annabel "Annie" Renée Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') was an erocosplayer and OnlyFans camgirl. In [[Taser Discussion]], Caden implies that her OnlyFans was one of Praetor's business ventures, and that she had created it to make money for Praetor. According to Chris, she is "psychically able." In a 17 [[February 2021]] discussion with the [[Watchmen]], Chris confessed that he had considered her for a possible relationship.<ref>[[Lonely feelings]]</ref>

===Owen Sundstrom===
'''Owen Scott Sundstrom''' ('''owen_sundstrom''') is the former co-founder of Praetor. He was present at the [[Goochland Library Sermon]], where he was photographed posing with Chris. He also appears to be the photographer who took the picture of Chris and Praetor at the Chinese restaurant. According to Chris, Owen is "like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs." Owen, along with Caden, suggested a link between the Mayan calendar and Chris's [[The Place chats - Lore Mashup|dream about a golden disc]].<ref name=naughtdms></ref>

In [[June 2021]], a Christorian left a comment on Owen's [[Instagram]], writing<ref name=oweninsta>[[:File:OwenInsta.png]]</ref>:

{{quotebox|Can’t believe such a pretty face could be such a scummy person. Trying to convince an autistic man to tease himself while simultaneously making thousands of dollars by using said autistic man’s internet notoriety}}

Owen responded to this:

{{quoteboxred|🤣 awe u think I’m pretty? Also that wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,, however I do regret starting preator,, I was the wizard, not the business man}}

===Cabell O'Malley===
'''Cabell Fitzpatrick O'Malley''' was described by Chris in the [[Naught DMs]] as "psychically inclined, but she's the artist." When the [[Incest Call]] leaked, there was speculation that Cabell was a nickname for [[Bella]]; however, Chris's mention of Cabell in the DMs predates his earliest interaction with Bella. Cabell is the blonde woman featured in the [[Instagram]] photo of Praetor and Chris at a Chinese restaurant. Initially, Praetor mistagged Cabell, linking an unrelated account to her.

Given that Chris had referred to Cabell as the artist, it can be assumed that she was responsible for producing the medallions, as Chris has mentioned that the artist of the group was the one who created them.

===Isabella Loretta Janke===
{{main|Isabella Loretta Janke}}

'''Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke''', a troll most infamous for her horrid actions and [[Incest Call|revealing Chris's incestuous affair with his mother]], had relations with Praetor. They commissioned her to animate [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation of Chris and the Sonichu characters, which Chris uploaded to his YouTube channel. Despite her minimal role in the group, Chris has repeatedly referred to her as a member of Praetor, possibly alluding to more interactions between Bella and Praetor that have not been leaked.

===Golden Church of Sonichu members===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}

Messages from the [[Discord]] server [[Golden Church of Sonichu]] show that the members were working with Praetor. One member was supposedly making a video game, another was working on CGI for Praetor's [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|Chris Chan movie]], and another was making Chris Chan themed clothes. These members presumably stopped their interactions with Chris once he got arrested.

==Before Chris==
Caden, Owen, Annie, and Cabell were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}} in the late 2010s. [[Larry Vaughn]] claims that Praetor was "the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the [[Teen Troon Squad]] before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine"<ref name=larryvaughn>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17363984</ref>. [[Larry Vaughn]] referred to Owen Sundstrom as a "co-founder" of Praetor<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/page-15#post-8333293</ref>, which was confirmed in an Instagram messages by Owen, where he stated that he regrets "starting preator"<ref name=oweninsta></ref>.

Caden had claimed that Praetor has been around since [[2017]], working with "creative types."<ref name =q&a>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]</ref>. If this is true, Caden would have been 14 or 15 years old at the time of Praetor's creation. Caden also claimed that they worked with Kevin Baugh, founder of the {{w|Republic of Molossia}} ([[Molvanîa|no relation]]), and wrote a dissertation for him in order to officiate Molossia as a sovereign nation.<ref name=q&a></ref>

Praetor used to have a dedicated website, but was taken down by Caden due to the domain costs. He decided that instead of waiting to have "eccentric people" find him, he would personally reach out to them himself.<ref name=q&a></ref> [[Naught]] once claimed that Praetor went after other lolcows before Chris, including Tommy Tooter, whom they tried to make products for.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/</ref>

==The Beginning==
===Meeting Chris===
[[File:OGGoldenMedallion.jpg|200px|thumb|The golden medallion Praetor gave to Chris]]
[[File:Praetor3.jpg|250px|thumb|Chris in a meeting with Caden]]
{{quote|I've always known about Christine. She always struck me as unique in the sense that she is probably one of the most famous people ever who has profited the least from her fame.
When I heard that she had tried to launch a store before, but been overwhelmed, I knew that there was a chance at profit. I run almost everything I do privately, so I reached out to Christine myself.|Caden<ref name=q&a></ref>}}

On 21 [[September 2020]], a "trio of fans" came to Chris's door with a golden [[Medallion|Sonichu medallion,]] crafted by "the young lady of the group, with paint that had a mixture of 24K gold in it." The "tall boys" had a business proposition for Chris, that with their mold press, they could mass produce and sell Sonichu medallions.<ref name=placeassociates>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)|The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)]]</ref> Chris accepted, deeming them as trustworthy, and noted that he had a vision earlier where an artist crafted medallions for him.

{{quote|They have their business based in Goochland.

And I could tell by soul-reading them that their intentions were legit, honest and true.|Chris<ref name=placeassociates></ref>}}

===Introduced to the Watchmen===
On 22 [[September 2020]], Chris made a post on [[The Place]] [[Discord]] server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some "new associates."<ref name=placeassociates></ref> He mentions that they were going to talk about "the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while." After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.

On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the [[Watchmen]] again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Patreon_Troubles,_Chris's_Online_Social_Life,_%22The_Boys,%22_Praetor_LLC_Revealed|Patreon Troubles, Chris's Online Social Life, The Boys, Praetor LLC Revealed]]</ref>. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a "lore bible."<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Lore_Bible_Discussion|Lore Bible Discussion]]</ref>. On the 15th, Praetor's [[Discord]] account, ran by Caden Peck, joined the [[The Place]] Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.<ref name =q&a></ref>

{{collapsible|Chat Excerpts|{{quoteboxnavy|We'll initially be only selling Medallions. These act as a trial run, testing market interest. Along the way, we will add more products. These will include but not be limited to comics, cards, and possibly amino figurines.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|It costs about 3 dollars per medallion. We sell them for 25 apiece, as to match our competitors. Etsy brand imposters are selling Medallions for 25-30. To uproot them, we must match or go below their prices.

If business is good, we'll increase sales by discounting them, selling them for 15-20}}
{{quoteboxnavy|In order to emulate Sonichu's original medallion, they are stamped in a mold we made and baked. Then, painted. We mail them from our own company pocket for a while, as it is cheaper then registration with a mailing company. When we get big enough, we can afford to register and get discounted shipping services}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We've not shipped any yet, so we only have estimates. It won't be more then a few dollars.
The medallions are not large not heavy.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We signed a confidentiality agreement with Sonichu, as we are a company. If Sonichu gives her consent, I can disclose profit splits and profit estimates.}}
{{quoteboxnavy| We've worked with creative types for about 3 years now. You may recognize a few of my more eccentric clients!
Have any of you ever heard of Molossia?}}

After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia:

{{quoteboxnavy|We don't only do merch. We helped him find someone to write a dissertation on the micronation's sovereignty.

He's using that to try and officiate his territory as a nation.

More power to him, I suppose.

What do y'all do? I'm excited to be working with this team.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|I used to have a website, but due to domain costs I took it down. When it comes to clients, I find that it's easier to find eccentric people then to have them find you. If you're interested in partnership or a meeting, I've been transitioning us to social media. We have a new twitter and an Instagram.
Our email is llcpraetor@gmail.com.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|@praetor_llc and the Twitter is @praetor
With social media, I can find my own clientele. Considering that I'm here, seems like things are working out!}}

On another brand named 'Praetor LLC':

{{quoteboxnavy|Oh no, we know about Praetor LLC. They're actually not trademarked, we've talked to them. Their site is a homedone project. The only internationally trademarked Praetor brand is Praetor Technologies.}}
}}

===Introduced to the Public===
On 16 October, they arranged for Chris to give [[Goochland Library Sermon|a sermon at Goochland library]], where he spewed his [[Dimensional Merge]] delusions. This spiel was done in front of a large screen displaying the Praetor logo. When it was eventually released on YouTube, it started with a loud dramatic opening, commissioned from an unknown source. They also added sarcastic captions, mocking Chris. The Praetor members took photos with Chris after the sermon.

<center><gallery>
File:Tinyhorse02.png|With Caden.
File:Praetor4.jpg|With Owen.
File:Praetor5.jpg|Arguably one of the most iconic images of Chris out there, appearing on news articles and formerly on his Wikitubia page until 1 March 2024.</gallery></center>

On 19 October, Praetor's presence was made known to the public, when they released multiple photos of Chris and the members of Praetor at a Chinese restaurant. One of these images included the members' Instagram handles, making it very easy for them to get doxxed.

<center><gallery>
File:PraetorLLC.jpg|
File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|With [[Instagram]] handles.
</gallery></center>

On 13 [[November 2020]], Chris uploaded [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation that Praetor had commissioned from [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. After this, Bella began regularly chatting with Chris, [[Incest Call|eventually becoming rather infamous for unrelated reasons]].

===Starting the Etsy shop===
[[File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor somehow manages to make the medallion look ''worse'']]
[[File:RedRobe.jpg|300px|thumb|Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robe, sold a year after the server died out]]

In December, Praetor created an Etsy shop, [[OfficialCWCmart]], where they began selling ''Sonichu'' medallions made by the group. The medallions produced by them manage to look much worse than any medallions made by Chris, and are completely inconsistent in how they look. According to several reviews on their store, they aren't also given enough time to dry up, resulting in still wet paint and hair stuck to the surface.

{{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}

Praetor has since offered items made by Chris himself for sale, such as some medallion variants and [[Jail Art]]. Aside from a royalty payment from [[January 2021]], made by Praetor to Chris when OfficialCWCmart was only selling Praetor-made medallions,<ref name=praetorcash>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> Chris's share of the profits is unknown. When an [[Instagram]] user accused Owen Sundstrom of exploiting Chris for money, he responded, claiming that he tried to give Chris as much as he could.

{{quote|That wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,,|Owen<ref name=oweninsta></ref>}}

===Royalty payment===
On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering ''Sonichu'' medallions for sale on [[OfficialCWCmart]]; the medallions were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. In exchange, Chris was paid a royalty for the use of his ''Sonichu'' IP.

A month later, the [[Watchmen]] noticed that OfficialCWCmart had made $5,900 worth of sales revenue on their medallion product, also the store's only product at the time.<ref name=medallionrevenue>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> In mid-January 2021, Chris told the Watchmen he had received nearly $400 in small cash amounts for his share.<ref name=praetorcash></ref> This equates to at least a 6.7% royalty (possibly more as date of Chris's payment is unknown). While royalty rates can vary, Chris's rate falls within a typical range.<ref>https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/licensing-artwork-negotiating-monitoring-royalty-payments-30093.html</ref>

Other information is unknown, such as Praetor's operating costs for the medallions and how much profit the group members had after expenses.

The Watchmen - among them [[MKRNightVee]] and [[Naught]] - erroneously believed that Chris was entitled to "almost all" of Praetor's revenue for the medallions.<ref name=medallionrevenue></ref> In the [[Taser Discussion]] call from [[February 2021]], MKR and Naught complained to Praetor's Caden. Chris himself did not mind, again pointing out he had been paid $400.

===Golden Church of Sonichu===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}
Praetor also created a [[Discord]] server, [[Golden Church of Sonichu]], which was created for anyone who bought their Golden Medallions on their Etsy shop. The server served as another outlet for Chris to rant about his delusions. Caden often posted in there too, giving insight into Praetor's bizarre business plans.

{{quote|-Christine has fully greenlit [REDACTED]'s video game. Please message Chris directly as soon as possible, as Christine would like to provide some direction with the game's storyline.

-The Praetor Flamethrower will be stress-tested this upcoming week at a local firing range sponsoring us. Please standby for future details.

-Christine has approved the future sale of Potions blessed by her. These are to be sold for less than $17 apiece, but a fixed price has not yet been decided. We need help finding cheaply shipped glassware in bulk. As cheap as possible is best, as we are going to be selling 3-4 kinds of potions stocked at at least 12 each. Bottles must be at very least 4oz, at most 16oz.

-Christine's Golden Medallions have already sold out. Expect more members soon.

-Test footage for [REDACTED] has been filmed in order to see if she can cgi a Sonichu next to Chris, allowing us to feature a Sonichu in the upcoming Chris Chan Movie. Please complete this as soon as possible, and we will kiss you on the mouth.|Caden<ref>[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]</ref>}}

Upon hacking into [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]'s account, [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|a short clip]] showing the behind-the-scenes process of the Chris Chan Movie was leaked. It shows Chris posing as a Praetor member commentates, telling him specific poses to do, while he's supposedly standing next to [[Rosechu]], who would be added in post as a CGI character.

==Taser Controversy==
{{see also|Taser}}
[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png|300px|thumb|The Taser]]
[[File:praetor cart.jpg|thumb|250px|The image featured in the instagram post]]
[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|250px|A message left for a customer who bought a taser]]

On 15 [[November 2020]], Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:

{{quote|As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!|Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.<ref>https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/ (archive: https://archive.ph/K6ojQ)</ref>}}

Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed "tasers".

===Conflict with the Watchmen===
{{see also|Taser Discussion}}
{{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.<ref name=tasercall>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
In [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].<ref name=thinking>[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]</ref>

The Watchmen confronted Caden about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their stun guns, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling.<ref name=thinking></ref> Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have [[Taser Discussion|a call]] about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.

Near the end of the call, [[Watchmen]] member [[Val]] jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone was shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself.

After this call, the [[Watchmen]] gained an intense hatred and rivarly for Praetor and especially Caden, seeing him as on the same level as [[Joshua Wise]] or [[Jacob Sockness]]. [[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]] then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached [[GiBi]], who made a video claiming it was fact.

===Larry Vaughn===
{{see also|Larry Vaughn}}

Naught then doxxed Caden on the forum, which led to [[Larry Vaughn]] making multiple posts sharing his experiences with Praetor. While many were skeptical of Vaughn's claims, due to him arguably being an unreliable narrator, his [[Larry Vaughn DMs|DMs with Chris]] reveal that he did in fact have a phone call with Caden, meaning his post is most likely true<ref>[[Larry Vaughn DMs#Coded Message for Twitter Users]]</ref>.

{{collapsible|Larry Vaughn's Posts|
{{quote|Still hard to believe that [Caden Peck] legit thought that I was the representative of a group of rich folks that would buy shitty medallions so we could roleplay with Chris in a private Discord server.|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|So my initial contact with them was when Christine sent me Caden's phone number and asked me to call him. I initially thought that he was going to tell me to fuck off, but he at the time at least entertained the idea of bringing 'us' (LAnon) on board. He pitched the idea of 'golden sonichu medallions' to me, which were basically regular Sonichu medallions with a code or something on them that would grant people access to a discord group to talk with Chris directly. He said that Christine "was a very busy woman with everything going on, and that Praetor basically served to screen out trolls from legitimate business dealings so she could have time to focus on her tasks." I said that I would entertain their offer, and I would just need to take a headcount of who would be interested in one.

[...]

-Praetor was the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the Teen Troon Squad before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine, and eventually even this devolved into them basically becoming a slightly less shitty version of the idea guys 2.0

-They work in a nasty basement painting Sonichu medallions to sell. Now people seem to think that they just give Chris the money. They don't, they basically hold it from him unless he does what they want

-The amount of money they make is apparently enough that Christine could have hired a private investigator to come after me, and this person contacted me after Chris threatened to call the cops on me

-My 'big plan' (Sending Chris to Florida) was apparently liked by Caden, to the point that he would pay for a ticket for Chris

-Chris claimed that Null was on Praetor's side, and was working with them to hunt me down (whether this is real or a delusion of Chris' is yet to be determined)|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|To be honest Praetor just wants to further enable Chris at this point because doing so makes them money. Like they thought that I put mushrooms in the wine to poison Chris, they thought that they could get money from me, and they also thought that I was like 30 people.|Larry Vaughn<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Praetor]]</ref>}}
}}

===Resold===
In [[2022]], Praetor began selling tasers previously autographed by Chris on their Etsy shop, supposedly for the purpose of simulating "zapping to the extreme" for buyers. Etsy quickly removed this listing. Eventually, Praetor created a listing titled 'The Secret Listing', a listing that had no information on what it was. It was later revealed through [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|emails]] that The Secret Listing was a taser, with the fact hidden in order to bypass Etsy guidelines.

One of the people who bought the taser would mail it to the channel SuperMega, where they would unbox it on video<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5OaHIfMdY&ab_channel=SuperMega</ref>.

==Jail Saga==
{{see also|Praetor Jail Art|OfficialCWCmart#Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:PraetorLetter.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor's message to a customer who bought a piece of jail art]]

In [[July 2021]], Caden had plans to buy Chris a PC so he could do more streams,<ref>[[The_Knights_of_CWC_chats_(July_2021)#The_"Older_Lady_Friend"_Call_(Second_Layer_commentary)|Older Lady Friend Call]]</ref> however this plan was cut short by Chris's [[Incest Arrest|arrest]] after he [[Affair With Mother|fucked his mother]]. After Chris got kicked out of his house for this, he contacted Caden to try and get his assistance in finding a hotel, though it is unknown how Caden responded to this.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]</ref>

===Continued Business===
{{quote|Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 14 July 2022]]</ref>}}
Praetor continued to talk to Chris. At one point, Chris mentioned that Caden was working on publishing the "Goddess Log", his jail diary<ref>[[Jail Call - 1 November 2021]]</ref>.

In [[May 2022]], Praetor began selling [[Praetor Jail Art|art that Chris made in jail]], making their contact with Chris much more obvious. They also added [[Jail Medallion Promotions|audio clips]] of Chris promoting their medallions from jail to their Etsy. Aside from these, the products sold on [[OfficialCWCmart]] became increasingly strange, including arrowheads, cult robes, and signed g-fuel.

In [[June 2022]], Chris started mentioning Caden in his letters, expressing his desire to have [[Helena Fiorenza]] collaborate with him<ref>[[Jail Letter - 25 June 2022]]</ref>, though Caden did not respond when Helena attempted to do so<ref name=july21>[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]</ref>.

===Chris's Fundraiser Plan===
In [[July 2022]], Chris began writing in letters about his newfound hatred of [[Barb]]. He told Caden to check if Barb was still at [[14 Branchland Court]], which he apparently did. Chris then pulled several theoretical crimes out of his ass and instructed Caden to call the police on Barb, though there is no evidence Caden agreed to his request.

{{quote|By Caden’s confirmation, Barbara was still at the Sonichu Temple; Redneck and Stubborn. So, giving him the list of her charable crimes, including pet negigance/mistreatment, suicide threats, emotional manipulation and abuse upon I, and ADA’s law of using someone else’s SSI, I have instructed Caden alone, to call the police on her.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]</ref>}}

In another spate of selfishness, Chris, still desiring to live at 14 Branchland Court (but was allegedly legally forbidden from living with Barb, the owner of the house) decided on starting a $150,000 fundraiser to pay off [[14 Branchland Court]]'s mortgages and debts, and to put Barb in an Elderly Care Home. Chris hoped Caden, [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] and [[Helena]] would assist with his scheme.<ref name=july21></ref> Chris claimed to Helena that Caden was attempting to persuade Barb to move:<ref name=july21></ref>

{{quote|But Barb is being a Majorly Stubborn Individual in relocating her self. Caden is working on persuading her and presenting her with the Truths of the Legality.|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Chris also claimed he sent a letter to Caden directing him to organize the fundraiser. No such fundraiser has been announced.

{{quote|I have just sent a letter to Caden with all the specifics, and the one public letter and drawing on the matter, in organizing an online fundraiser to raise $150,000 to pay off the mortgage and debts, and some left to pay for her to start off in an Elderly Care Home|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Kenneth attempted to suggest Chris speak through a lawyer instead of Caden.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (1)]]</ref> Chris fired back angrily.

{{quote|And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}

Chris's fundraiser scheme predictably failed, and contributed to Kenneth, Helena and [[Eels]] cutting ties with him.<ref>[[Excommunication letter]]</ref>

===Interview===
{{main|March 2023 Praetor Interview}}
In [[March 2023]], Praetor had [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|an interview]] with a [[Kiwi Farms]] user. In this interview, they have claimed that Chris calls them twice a week about the Etsy store. They also stated that the store has earned Chris a lot of money, despite him still being in jail by that time.

{{quote|Chris calls twice a week to deal with the store, as no listings are made with out his express oversight. As for the cease and desists, we'd just advise that folk stay out of any trouble. Chris's cash has been accumulating, as the money he gets from both the store and monthly disability hasn't been touched while incarcerated.|Praetor}}

They have also stated that the reason Chris hasn't sent any letters or had any visitors is because [[David Heilberg]], Chris's lawyer, advised them to not let any "ill-meaning folk" near Chris.

{{quote|Both the lack of recent letters and having no visitors is intentional, as Heilberg advised us to close any way for ill-meaning folk to get close.|Praetor}}

They offer more insider knowledge on Chris, such as the fact that he had plans to grow a beard in prison (Something not realistically possible, considering he still took HRT while in jail and had problems growing facial hair even before the transition), and that he had plans to return, with strange aspirations as well, which did come true with the release of [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned]].

==Post-jail involvement==
{{see also|OfficialCWCmart#Post-Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:Coveredsonchu.png|250px|thumb|What appears to be [[Son-Chu]], covered up so trolls wouldn't spot it, spotted on a Google Maps view of Caden's house]]
After plenty of sightings online and [[Post-jail sightings|offline]], Chris finally made his grand return in [[October 2023]]. Along with Chris's return, [[OfficialCWCmart]] returned as well, stocked with a plethora of new items. This included new [[Medallions|Sonichu medallions]], with brand new pictures of Chris in front of a green screen, new promotions of [[Neo Spiritual Christianity]], and [[2021 Lost Commissions|dozens upon dozens of lost commissions]] that Chris drew for the [[Everfree Northwest]] fundraiser in [[2021]]

Chris's new videos from this point forward were incredibly high quality (for Chris's standards), making it very likely that Praetor was behind these videos, as they have had previous experience with high-quality editing and Chris uses the same green screen which is used in the Etsy store. Chris also consistently promoted [[OfficialCWCmart]] in the description of these videos. The list of products has later further increased in [[January 2024]], as a result of a war with the newly released Sonichu merchandise from [[Geno Samuel]], though they appear to be the same overpriced low quality stuff as before. This has also expanded to [[Praetor Commissions|art commissions]] for a totally reasonable sum of $225-300.

===Big Island House===
[[File:BigIslandHouse.jpg|thumb|Photo of the house from Zillow]]

In [[June 2023]], a property in [[Big Island]] was transferred to Caden Peck, along with an LLC called "Essential Estate LLC", for $235,000. In [[November 2023]], [[Kiwi Farms]] users managed to find evidence of Chris living at the property. Firstly, Chris's [[November 2023 social media posts|P.O Box]], announced by Chris a few days earlier, was located only 22 minutes from the house, and Chris has been [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|previously sighted in Big Island]]. In an October 2023 Google Streetview, a car covered by a sheet can be seen outside the house, with a hubcap suspiciously similar to Chris's car. Lastly, in Chris's recent streams, we have occasionally gotten glimpses of his house, with one of the doors appearing in the streams perfectly matching up with a listing for the property. He has also posted several pictures of his rooms on the social media, which match with the house listing photos. This was finally confirmed by Chris in the [[May 2024 social media posts#Stalker gets caught on security camera|May 30 social media post]], in which he threathened a [Ween] taking pictures of him and Flutter at his property with footage from his monitoring system.

Caden does not actually live with Chris, as he has another residence in Maryville, Missouri. This is shown when, a month after buying the Big Island house, three felonies were filed against Caden by Maryville authorities for illegally manufacturing and delivering psilocybin mushrooms. On 28 August he pleaded guilty and received 5 years probation and 19 days in jail.<ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268-01&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/GUILTY%20PLEA%208-28-23.PDF?courtCode=04&di=936062</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/REDACTED%20PC%20STATEMENT%20PECK.PDF?courtCode=04&di=921031</ref> Further indication that Caden does not live in Big Island is in the [[October 2023]] livestream [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], in which Chris turns off the stream in order to respond to a phone call from Caden.

==See also==
*[[OfficialCWCmart]]
*[[Praetor Jail Art]]
*[[Goochland Library Sermon]]
*[[Taser]]
*[[Taser Discussion]]
*[[2021 Lost Commissions]]
*[[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]]
*[[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA]]
*[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]
*[[March 2023 Praetor Interview]]

==External links==
*[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram (deleted)]
*[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]
*[https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart Praetor's Etsy]

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Praetor

2024-08-10T15:49:44Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Big Island House */

{{Unreliable|type=cred|The members will occasionally say edgy and disgusting things purely for shock value.<ref>[[:File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg]]</ref>}}
{{quote|Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right?|Caden Peck<ref>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
{{quote| And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with [[Barb]], and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}
[[File:PraetorLogo.jpg|400px|thumb|Praetor's logo]]
{{Infobox Person
|image = Cadenimagehighquality.png
|title = Caden Peck
|name = Caden Michael Peck
|gender = Male
|day = 17
|month = 9
|year = 2002
|aliases = Praetor tinyhorse01
|race = White
|nationality = [[American]]
|occupation = Owner of Praetor LLC Owner of [[OfficialCWCmart]] Landlord Illegal Drug Manufacturer Student at [[wikipedia:Northwest Missouri State University|Northwest Missouri State University]]<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17231390</ref>
|saga = {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}, {{saga|jail|cn}}, '''[[Template:RevelationsSaga|Revelations]]'''
}}

'''Praetor LLC''' is a group of edgy Gen-Z [[carpetbaggers]]. They first came into contact with Chris in [[2020]] with the aim of producing and selling ''Sonichu'' and Chris-themed products on their [[Etsy]] store [[OfficialCWCmart]] with Chris's permission, giving him a cut of the profits. In [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. Praetor has since expanded to other, more bizarre, products, some produced by the group, and others by Chris. Chris's income split for products made by him is unknown. As of [[2023]], OfficialCWCmart has generated more than 3000 sales, giving them a minimum of between $49,905 and $116,000 in revenue, although their actual revenue is unknown but potentially higher.<ref>Of 3327 sales. Their lowest-priced item is $15, and a popular medallion item is $35. Several items such as art generally sold for $200 each</ref> While the sales have slowed down considerably, by [[March 2024]], the number has increased to over 4200.

During the [[Jail Saga]], Chris continued communicating with them, mailing them art from jail, which they added to [[OfficialCWCmart]].

Upon Chris's being released from jail, they have continued their involvement. In June 2023, Praetor member Caden Peck was involved with financing a [[Big Island, VA]] house, which Chris moved into later that year. During [[The Chris Chan Interview]], Chris mentioned paying rent. Chris has uploaded or live-streamed several highly edited videos which all promote [[OfficialCWCmart]].

==Membership==
[[File:Praetor_Instagram_tags_copy-min.png|350px|thumb|From left to right: Annie Ikenberry, Cabell O'Malley, Caden Peck, and Chris.]]
{{Quote|In the group, Annie is very much psychically able. Owen is like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs. Cabell is also psychically inclined, but she's the artist. Caden is very open-minded, and the brains and business.|Chris<ref name=naughtdms>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>}}

While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there were at least three other members as of late [[2020]], along with several additional collaborators. The four core members were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}}. Owen left the group sometime prior to [[June 2021]], and while there's no conclusive evidence on Annabel leaving, she had a 10 month break in making content following 25 [[December 2023]], after which she had made her own website to sell her [[Mass debating|content]] on. There is no indication that Cabell remained involved with Praetor after Chris's [[Incest arrest|arrest for incest]] in [[August 2021]], making Caden the only confirmed remaining member. It's very possible, however, that he has since hired more members to produce art, as many of the products made since [[Chris and art|aren't total shite]].
===Caden Michael Peck===
'''Caden Michael Peck''' (born 17 September [[2002]]), also known as '''tinyhorse01''', is a 21-year old man. In June 2023, Caden, along with Essential Estate LLC, purchased a [[Big Island, VA]] house. Chris currently lives in the house and pays rent.

===Annabel Ikenberry===
'''Annabel "Annie" Renée Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') was an erocosplayer and OnlyFans camgirl. In [[Taser Discussion]], Caden implies that her OnlyFans was one of Praetor's business ventures, and that she had created it to make money for Praetor. According to Chris, she is "psychically able." In a 17 [[February 2021]] discussion with the [[Watchmen]], Chris confessed that he had considered her for a possible relationship.<ref>[[Lonely feelings]]</ref>

===Owen Sundstrom===
'''Owen Scott Sundstrom''' ('''owen_sundstrom''') is the former co-founder of Praetor. He was present at the [[Goochland Library Sermon]], where he was photographed posing with Chris. He also appears to be the photographer who took the picture of Chris and Praetor at the Chinese restaurant. According to Chris, Owen is "like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs." Owen, along with Caden, suggested a link between the Mayan calendar and Chris's [[The Place chats - Lore Mashup|dream about a golden disc]].<ref name=naughtdms></ref>

In [[June 2021]], a Christorian left a comment on Owen's [[Instagram]], writing<ref name=oweninsta>[[:File:OwenInsta.png]]</ref>:

{{quotebox|Can’t believe such a pretty face could be such a scummy person. Trying to convince an autistic man to tease himself while simultaneously making thousands of dollars by using said autistic man’s internet notoriety}}

Owen responded to this:

{{quoteboxred|🤣 awe u think I’m pretty? Also that wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,, however I do regret starting preator,, I was the wizard, not the business man}}

===Cabell O'Malley===
'''Cabell Fitzpatrick O'Malley''' was described by Chris in the [[Naught DMs]] as "psychically inclined, but she's the artist." When the [[Incest Call]] leaked, there was speculation that Cabell was a nickname for [[Bella]]; however, Chris's mention of Cabell in the DMs predates his earliest interaction with Bella. Cabell is the blonde woman featured in the [[Instagram]] photo of Praetor and Chris at a Chinese restaurant. Initially, Praetor mistagged Cabell, linking an unrelated account to her.

Given that Chris had referred to Cabell as the artist, it can be assumed that she was responsible for producing the medallions, as Chris has mentioned that the artist of the group was the one who created them.

===Isabella Loretta Janke===
{{main|Isabella Loretta Janke}}

'''Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke''', a troll most infamous for her horrid actions and [[Incest Call|revealing Chris's incestuous affair with his mother]], had relations with Praetor. They commissioned her to animate [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation of Chris and the Sonichu characters, which Chris uploaded to his YouTube channel. Despite her minimal role in the group, Chris has repeatedly referred to her as a member of Praetor, possibly alluding to more interactions between Bella and Praetor that have not been leaked.

===Golden Church of Sonichu members===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}

Messages from the [[Discord]] server [[Golden Church of Sonichu]] show that the members were working with Praetor. One member was supposedly making a video game, another was working on CGI for Praetor's [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|Chris Chan movie]], and another was making Chris Chan themed clothes. These members presumably stopped their interactions with Chris once he got arrested.

==Before Chris==
Caden, Owen, Annie, and Cabell were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}} in the late 2010s. [[Larry Vaughn]] claims that Praetor was "the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the [[Teen Troon Squad]] before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine"<ref name=larryvaughn>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17363984</ref>. [[Larry Vaughn]] referred to Owen Sundstrom as a "co-founder" of Praetor<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/page-15#post-8333293</ref>, which was confirmed in an Instagram messages by Owen, where he stated that he regrets "starting preator"<ref name=oweninsta></ref>.

Caden had claimed that Praetor has been around since [[2017]], working with "creative types."<ref name =q&a>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]</ref>. If this is true, Caden would have been 14 or 15 years old at the time of Praetor's creation. Caden also claimed that they worked with Kevin Baugh, founder of the {{w|Republic of Molossia}} ([[Molvanîa|no relation]]), and wrote a dissertation for him in order to officiate Molossia as a sovereign nation.<ref name=q&a></ref>

Praetor used to have a dedicated website, but was taken down by Caden due to the domain costs. He decided that instead of waiting to have "eccentric people" find him, he would personally reach out to them himself.<ref name=q&a></ref> [[Naught]] once claimed that Praetor went after other lolcows before Chris, including Tommy Tooter, whom they tried to make products for.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/</ref>

==The Beginning==
===Meeting Chris===
[[File:OGGoldenMedallion.jpg|200px|thumb|The golden medallion Praetor gave to Chris]]
[[File:Praetor3.jpg|250px|thumb|Chris in a meeting with Caden]]
{{quote|I've always known about Christine. She always struck me as unique in the sense that she is probably one of the most famous people ever who has profited the least from her fame.
When I heard that she had tried to launch a store before, but been overwhelmed, I knew that there was a chance at profit. I run almost everything I do privately, so I reached out to Christine myself.|Caden<ref name=q&a></ref>}}

On 21 [[September 2020]], a "trio of fans" came to Chris's door with a golden [[Medallion|Sonichu medallion,]] crafted by "the young lady of the group, with paint that had a mixture of 24K gold in it." The "tall boys" had a business proposition for Chris, that with their mold press, they could mass produce and sell Sonichu medallions.<ref name=placeassociates>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)|The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)]]</ref> Chris accepted, deeming them as trustworthy, and noted that he had a vision earlier where an artist crafted medallions for him.

{{quote|They have their business based in Goochland.

And I could tell by soul-reading them that their intentions were legit, honest and true.|Chris<ref name=placeassociates></ref>}}

===Introduced to the Watchmen===
On 22 [[September 2020]], Chris made a post on [[The Place]] [[Discord]] server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some "new associates."<ref name=placeassociates></ref> He mentions that they were going to talk about "the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while." After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.

On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the [[Watchmen]] again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Patreon_Troubles,_Chris's_Online_Social_Life,_%22The_Boys,%22_Praetor_LLC_Revealed|Patreon Troubles, Chris's Online Social Life, The Boys, Praetor LLC Revealed]]</ref>. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a "lore bible."<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Lore_Bible_Discussion|Lore Bible Discussion]]</ref>. On the 15th, Praetor's [[Discord]] account, ran by Caden Peck, joined the [[The Place]] Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.<ref name =q&a></ref>

{{collapsible|Chat Excerpts|{{quoteboxnavy|We'll initially be only selling Medallions. These act as a trial run, testing market interest. Along the way, we will add more products. These will include but not be limited to comics, cards, and possibly amino figurines.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|It costs about 3 dollars per medallion. We sell them for 25 apiece, as to match our competitors. Etsy brand imposters are selling Medallions for 25-30. To uproot them, we must match or go below their prices.

If business is good, we'll increase sales by discounting them, selling them for 15-20}}
{{quoteboxnavy|In order to emulate Sonichu's original medallion, they are stamped in a mold we made and baked. Then, painted. We mail them from our own company pocket for a while, as it is cheaper then registration with a mailing company. When we get big enough, we can afford to register and get discounted shipping services}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We've not shipped any yet, so we only have estimates. It won't be more then a few dollars.
The medallions are not large not heavy.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We signed a confidentiality agreement with Sonichu, as we are a company. If Sonichu gives her consent, I can disclose profit splits and profit estimates.}}
{{quoteboxnavy| We've worked with creative types for about 3 years now. You may recognize a few of my more eccentric clients!
Have any of you ever heard of Molossia?}}

After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia:

{{quoteboxnavy|We don't only do merch. We helped him find someone to write a dissertation on the micronation's sovereignty.

He's using that to try and officiate his territory as a nation.

More power to him, I suppose.

What do y'all do? I'm excited to be working with this team.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|I used to have a website, but due to domain costs I took it down. When it comes to clients, I find that it's easier to find eccentric people then to have them find you. If you're interested in partnership or a meeting, I've been transitioning us to social media. We have a new twitter and an Instagram.
Our email is llcpraetor@gmail.com.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|@praetor_llc and the Twitter is @praetor
With social media, I can find my own clientele. Considering that I'm here, seems like things are working out!}}

On another brand named 'Praetor LLC':

{{quoteboxnavy|Oh no, we know about Praetor LLC. They're actually not trademarked, we've talked to them. Their site is a homedone project. The only internationally trademarked Praetor brand is Praetor Technologies.}}
}}

===Introduced to the Public===
On 16 October, they arranged for Chris to give [[Goochland Library Sermon|a sermon at Goochland library]], where he spewed his [[Dimensional Merge]] delusions. This spiel was done in front of a large screen displaying the Praetor logo. When it was eventually released on YouTube, it started with a loud dramatic opening, commissioned from an unknown source. They also added sarcastic captions, mocking Chris. The Praetor members took photos with Chris after the sermon.

<center><gallery>
File:Tinyhorse02.png|With Caden.
File:Praetor4.jpg|With Owen.
File:Praetor5.jpg|Arguably one of the most iconic images of Chris out there, appearing on news articles and formerly on his Wikitubia page until 1 March 2024.</gallery></center>

On 19 October, Praetor's presence was made known to the public, when they released multiple photos of Chris and the members of Praetor at a Chinese restaurant. One of these images included the members' Instagram handles, making it very easy for them to get doxxed.

<center><gallery>
File:PraetorLLC.jpg|
File:Praetor Instagram tags copy-min.png|With [[Instagram]] handles.
</gallery></center>

On 13 [[November 2020]], Chris uploaded [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation that Praetor had commissioned from [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. After this, Bella began regularly chatting with Chris, [[Incest Call|eventually becoming rather infamous for unrelated reasons]].

===Starting the Etsy shop===
[[File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor somehow manages to make the medallion look ''worse'']]
[[File:RedRobe.jpg|300px|thumb|Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robe, sold a year after the server died out]]

In December, Praetor created an Etsy shop, [[OfficialCWCmart]], where they began selling ''Sonichu'' medallions made by the group. The medallions produced by them manage to look much worse than any medallions made by Chris, and are completely inconsistent in how they look. According to several reviews on their store, they aren't also given enough time to dry up, resulting in still wet paint and hair stuck to the surface.

{{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}

Praetor has since offered items made by Chris himself for sale, such as some medallion variants and [[Jail Art]]. Aside from a royalty payment from [[January 2021]], made by Praetor to Chris when OfficialCWCmart was only selling Praetor-made medallions,<ref name=praetorcash>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> Chris's share of the profits is unknown. When an [[Instagram]] user accused Owen Sundstrom of exploiting Chris for money, he responded, claiming that he tried to give Chris as much as he could.

{{quote|That wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,,|Owen<ref name=oweninsta></ref>}}

===Royalty payment===
On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering ''Sonichu'' medallions for sale on [[OfficialCWCmart]]; the medallions were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. In exchange, Chris was paid a royalty for the use of his ''Sonichu'' IP.

A month later, the [[Watchmen]] noticed that OfficialCWCmart had made $5,900 worth of sales revenue on their medallion product, also the store's only product at the time.<ref name=medallionrevenue>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> In mid-January 2021, Chris told the Watchmen he had received nearly $400 in small cash amounts for his share.<ref name=praetorcash></ref> This equates to at least a 6.7% royalty (possibly more as date of Chris's payment is unknown). While royalty rates can vary, Chris's rate falls within a typical range.<ref>https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/licensing-artwork-negotiating-monitoring-royalty-payments-30093.html</ref>

Other information is unknown, such as Praetor's operating costs for the medallions and how much profit the group members had after expenses.

The Watchmen - among them [[MKRNightVee]] and [[Naught]] - erroneously believed that Chris was entitled to "almost all" of Praetor's revenue for the medallions.<ref name=medallionrevenue></ref> In the [[Taser Discussion]] call from [[February 2021]], MKR and Naught complained to Praetor's Caden. Chris himself did not mind, again pointing out he had been paid $400.

===Golden Church of Sonichu===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}
Praetor also created a [[Discord]] server, [[Golden Church of Sonichu]], which was created for anyone who bought their Golden Medallions on their Etsy shop. The server served as another outlet for Chris to rant about his delusions. Caden often posted in there too, giving insight into Praetor's bizarre business plans.

{{quote|-Christine has fully greenlit [REDACTED]'s video game. Please message Chris directly as soon as possible, as Christine would like to provide some direction with the game's storyline.

-The Praetor Flamethrower will be stress-tested this upcoming week at a local firing range sponsoring us. Please standby for future details.

-Christine has approved the future sale of Potions blessed by her. These are to be sold for less than $17 apiece, but a fixed price has not yet been decided. We need help finding cheaply shipped glassware in bulk. As cheap as possible is best, as we are going to be selling 3-4 kinds of potions stocked at at least 12 each. Bottles must be at very least 4oz, at most 16oz.

-Christine's Golden Medallions have already sold out. Expect more members soon.

-Test footage for [REDACTED] has been filmed in order to see if she can cgi a Sonichu next to Chris, allowing us to feature a Sonichu in the upcoming Chris Chan Movie. Please complete this as soon as possible, and we will kiss you on the mouth.|Caden<ref>[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]</ref>}}

Upon hacking into [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]'s account, [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|a short clip]] showing the behind-the-scenes process of the Chris Chan Movie was leaked. It shows Chris posing as a Praetor member commentates, telling him specific poses to do, while he's supposedly standing next to [[Rosechu]], who would be added in post as a CGI character.

==Taser Controversy==
{{see also|Taser}}
[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png|300px|thumb|The Taser]]
[[File:praetor cart.jpg|thumb|250px|The image featured in the instagram post]]
[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|250px|A message left for a customer who bought a taser]]

On 15 [[November 2020]], Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:

{{quote|As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!|Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.<ref>https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/ (archive: https://archive.ph/K6ojQ)</ref>}}

Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed "tasers".

===Conflict with the Watchmen===
{{see also|Taser Discussion}}
{{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.<ref name=tasercall>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
In [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].<ref name=thinking>[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]</ref>

The Watchmen confronted Caden about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their stun guns, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling.<ref name=thinking></ref> Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have [[Taser Discussion|a call]] about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.

Near the end of the call, [[Watchmen]] member [[Val]] jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone was shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself.

After this call, the [[Watchmen]] gained an intense hatred and rivarly for Praetor and especially Caden, seeing him as on the same level as [[Joshua Wise]] or [[Jacob Sockness]]. [[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]] then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached [[GiBi]], who made a video claiming it was fact.

===Larry Vaughn===
{{see also|Larry Vaughn}}

Naught then doxxed Caden on the forum, which led to [[Larry Vaughn]] making multiple posts sharing his experiences with Praetor. While many were skeptical of Vaughn's claims, due to him arguably being an unreliable narrator, his [[Larry Vaughn DMs|DMs with Chris]] reveal that he did in fact have a phone call with Caden, meaning his post is most likely true<ref>[[Larry Vaughn DMs#Coded Message for Twitter Users]]</ref>.

{{collapsible|Larry Vaughn's Posts|
{{quote|Still hard to believe that [Caden Peck] legit thought that I was the representative of a group of rich folks that would buy shitty medallions so we could roleplay with Chris in a private Discord server.|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|So my initial contact with them was when Christine sent me Caden's phone number and asked me to call him. I initially thought that he was going to tell me to fuck off, but he at the time at least entertained the idea of bringing 'us' (LAnon) on board. He pitched the idea of 'golden sonichu medallions' to me, which were basically regular Sonichu medallions with a code or something on them that would grant people access to a discord group to talk with Chris directly. He said that Christine "was a very busy woman with everything going on, and that Praetor basically served to screen out trolls from legitimate business dealings so she could have time to focus on her tasks." I said that I would entertain their offer, and I would just need to take a headcount of who would be interested in one.

[...]

-Praetor was the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the Teen Troon Squad before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine, and eventually even this devolved into them basically becoming a slightly less shitty version of the idea guys 2.0

-They work in a nasty basement painting Sonichu medallions to sell. Now people seem to think that they just give Chris the money. They don't, they basically hold it from him unless he does what they want

-The amount of money they make is apparently enough that Christine could have hired a private investigator to come after me, and this person contacted me after Chris threatened to call the cops on me

-My 'big plan' (Sending Chris to Florida) was apparently liked by Caden, to the point that he would pay for a ticket for Chris

-Chris claimed that Null was on Praetor's side, and was working with them to hunt me down (whether this is real or a delusion of Chris' is yet to be determined)|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|To be honest Praetor just wants to further enable Chris at this point because doing so makes them money. Like they thought that I put mushrooms in the wine to poison Chris, they thought that they could get money from me, and they also thought that I was like 30 people.|Larry Vaughn<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Praetor]]</ref>}}
}}

===Resold===
In [[2022]], Praetor began selling tasers previously autographed by Chris on their Etsy shop, supposedly for the purpose of simulating "zapping to the extreme" for buyers. Etsy quickly removed this listing. Eventually, Praetor created a listing titled 'The Secret Listing', a listing that had no information on what it was. It was later revealed through [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|emails]] that The Secret Listing was a taser, with the fact hidden in order to bypass Etsy guidelines.

One of the people who bought the taser would mail it to the channel SuperMega, where they would unbox it on video<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5OaHIfMdY&ab_channel=SuperMega</ref>.

==Jail Saga==
{{see also|Praetor Jail Art|OfficialCWCmart#Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:PraetorLetter.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor's message to a customer who bought a piece of jail art]]

In [[July 2021]], Caden had plans to buy Chris a PC so he could do more streams,<ref>[[The_Knights_of_CWC_chats_(July_2021)#The_"Older_Lady_Friend"_Call_(Second_Layer_commentary)|Older Lady Friend Call]]</ref> however this plan was cut short by Chris's [[Incest Arrest|arrest]] after he [[Affair With Mother|fucked his mother]]. After Chris got kicked out of his house for this, he contacted Caden to try and get his assistance in finding a hotel, though it is unknown how Caden responded to this.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]</ref>

===Continued Business===
{{quote|Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 14 July 2022]]</ref>}}
Praetor continued to talk to Chris. At one point, Chris mentioned that Caden was working on publishing the "Goddess Log", his jail diary<ref>[[Jail Call - 1 November 2021]]</ref>.

In [[May 2022]], Praetor began selling [[Praetor Jail Art|art that Chris made in jail]], making their contact with Chris much more obvious. They also added [[Jail Medallion Promotions|audio clips]] of Chris promoting their medallions from jail to their Etsy. Aside from these, the products sold on [[OfficialCWCmart]] became increasingly strange, including arrowheads, cult robes, and signed g-fuel.

In [[June 2022]], Chris started mentioning Caden in his letters, expressing his desire to have [[Helena Fiorenza]] collaborate with him<ref>[[Jail Letter - 25 June 2022]]</ref>, though Caden did not respond when Helena attempted to do so<ref name=july21>[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]</ref>.

===Chris's Fundraiser Plan===
In [[July 2022]], Chris began writing in letters about his newfound hatred of [[Barb]]. He told Caden to check if Barb was still at [[14 Branchland Court]], which he apparently did. Chris then pulled several theoretical crimes out of his ass and instructed Caden to call the police on Barb, though there is no evidence Caden agreed to his request.

{{quote|By Caden’s confirmation, Barbara was still at the Sonichu Temple; Redneck and Stubborn. So, giving him the list of her charable crimes, including pet negigance/mistreatment, suicide threats, emotional manipulation and abuse upon I, and ADA’s law of using someone else’s SSI, I have instructed Caden alone, to call the police on her.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]</ref>}}

In another spate of selfishness, Chris, still desiring to live at 14 Branchland Court (but was allegedly legally forbidden from living with Barb, the owner of the house) decided on starting a $150,000 fundraiser to pay off [[14 Branchland Court]]'s mortgages and debts, and to put Barb in an Elderly Care Home. Chris hoped Caden, [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] and [[Helena]] would assist with his scheme.<ref name=july21></ref> Chris claimed to Helena that Caden was attempting to persuade Barb to move:<ref name=july21></ref>

{{quote|But Barb is being a Majorly Stubborn Individual in relocating her self. Caden is working on persuading her and presenting her with the Truths of the Legality.|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Chris also claimed he sent a letter to Caden directing him to organize the fundraiser. No such fundraiser has been announced.

{{quote|I have just sent a letter to Caden with all the specifics, and the one public letter and drawing on the matter, in organizing an online fundraiser to raise $150,000 to pay off the mortgage and debts, and some left to pay for her to start off in an Elderly Care Home|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Kenneth attempted to suggest Chris speak through a lawyer instead of Caden.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (1)]]</ref> Chris fired back angrily.

{{quote|And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}

Chris's fundraiser scheme predictably failed, and contributed to Kenneth, Helena and [[Eels]] cutting ties with him.<ref>[[Excommunication letter]]</ref>

===Interview===
{{main|March 2023 Praetor Interview}}
In [[March 2023]], Praetor had [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|an interview]] with a [[Kiwi Farms]] user. In this interview, they have claimed that Chris calls them twice a week about the Etsy store. They also stated that the store has earned Chris a lot of money, despite him still being in jail by that time.

{{quote|Chris calls twice a week to deal with the store, as no listings are made with out his express oversight. As for the cease and desists, we'd just advise that folk stay out of any trouble. Chris's cash has been accumulating, as the money he gets from both the store and monthly disability hasn't been touched while incarcerated.|Praetor}}

They have also stated that the reason Chris hasn't sent any letters or had any visitors is because [[David Heilberg]], Chris's lawyer, advised them to not let any "ill-meaning folk" near Chris.

{{quote|Both the lack of recent letters and having no visitors is intentional, as Heilberg advised us to close any way for ill-meaning folk to get close.|Praetor}}

They offer more insider knowledge on Chris, such as the fact that he had plans to grow a beard in prison (Something not realistically possible, considering he still took HRT while in jail and had problems growing facial hair even before the transition), and that he had plans to return, with strange aspirations as well, which did come true with the release of [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned]].

==Post-jail involvement==
{{see also|OfficialCWCmart#Post-Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:Coveredsonchu.png|250px|thumb|What appears to be [[Son-Chu]], covered up so trolls wouldn't spot it, spotted on a Google Maps view of Caden's house]]
After plenty of sightings online and [[Post-jail sightings|offline]], Chris finally made his grand return in [[October 2023]]. Along with Chris's return, [[OfficialCWCmart]] returned as well, stocked with a plethora of new items. This included new [[Medallions|Sonichu medallions]], with brand new pictures of Chris in front of a green screen, new promotions of [[Neo Spiritual Christianity]], and [[2021 Lost Commissions|dozens upon dozens of lost commissions]] that Chris drew for the [[Everfree Northwest]] fundraiser in [[2021]]

Chris's new videos from this point forward were incredibly high quality (for Chris's standards), making it very likely that Praetor was behind these videos, as they have had previous experience with high-quality editing and Chris uses the same green screen which is used in the Etsy store. Chris also consistently promoted [[OfficialCWCmart]] in the description of these videos. The list of products has later further increased in [[January 2024]], as a result of a war with the newly released Sonichu merchandise from [[Geno Samuel]], though they appear to be the same overpriced low quality stuff as before. This has also expanded to [[Praetor Commissions|art commissions]] for a totally reasonable sum of $225-300.

===Big Island House===
[[File:BigIslandHouse.jpg|thumb|Photo of the house from Zillow]]

In [[June 2023]], a property in [[Big Island]] was transferred to Caden Peck, along with an LLC called "Essential Estate LLC", for $235,000. In [[November 2023]], [[Kiwi Farms]] users managed to find evidence of Chris living at the property. Firstly, Chris's [[November 2023 social media posts|P.O Box]], announced by Chris a few days earlier, was located only 22 minutes from the house, and Chris has been [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|previously sighted in Big Island]]. In an October 2023 Google Streetview, a car covered by a sheet can be seen outside the house, with a hubcap suspiciously similar to Chris's car. Lastly, in Chris's recent streams, we have occasionally gotten glimpses of his house, with one of the doors appearing in the streams perfectly matching up with a listing for the property. He has also posted several pictures of his rooms on the social media, which match with the house listing photos. This was finally confirmed by Chris in the [[May 2024 social media posts#Stalker gets caught on security camera|May 30 social media post], in which he threathened a [Ween] taking pictures of him and Flutter at his property with footage from his monitoring system.

Caden does not actually live with Chris, as he has another residence in Maryville, Missouri. This is shown when, a month after buying the Big Island house, three felonies were filed against Caden by Maryville authorities for illegally manufacturing and delivering psilocybin mushrooms. On 28 August he pleaded guilty and received 5 years probation and 19 days in jail.<ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268-01&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/GUILTY%20PLEA%208-28-23.PDF?courtCode=04&di=936062</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/REDACTED%20PC%20STATEMENT%20PECK.PDF?courtCode=04&di=921031</ref> Further indication that Caden does not live in Big Island is in the [[October 2023]] livestream [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], in which Chris turns off the stream in order to respond to a phone call from Caden.

==See also==
*[[OfficialCWCmart]]
*[[Praetor Jail Art]]
*[[Goochland Library Sermon]]
*[[Taser]]
*[[Taser Discussion]]
*[[2021 Lost Commissions]]
*[[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]]
*[[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA]]
*[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]
*[[March 2023 Praetor Interview]]

==External links==
*[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram (deleted)]
*[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]
*[https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart Praetor's Etsy]

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{{PrisonSaga}}
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{{RevelationsSaga}}
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[[Category:Carpetbaggers]]

Praetor

2024-08-10T15:46:00Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Post-jail involvement */

{{Unreliable|type=cred|The members will occasionally say edgy and disgusting things purely for shock value.<ref>[[:File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg]]</ref>}}
{{quote|Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right?|Caden Peck<ref>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
{{quote| And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with [[Barb]], and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}
[[File:PraetorLogo.jpg|400px|thumb|Praetor's logo]]
{{Infobox Person
|image = Cadenimagehighquality.png
|title = Caden Peck
|name = Caden Michael Peck
|gender = Male
|day = 17
|month = 9
|year = 2002
|aliases = Praetor tinyhorse01
|race = White
|nationality = [[American]]
|occupation = Owner of Praetor LLC Owner of [[OfficialCWCmart]] Landlord Illegal Drug Manufacturer Student at [[wikipedia:Northwest Missouri State University|Northwest Missouri State University]]<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17231390</ref>
|saga = {{saga|watchmen|cn}}, {{saga|praetor|cn}}, {{saga|jail|cn}}, '''[[Template:RevelationsSaga|Revelations]]'''
}}

'''Praetor LLC''' is a group of edgy Gen-Z [[carpetbaggers]]. They first came into contact with Chris in [[2020]] with the aim of producing and selling ''Sonichu'' and Chris-themed products on their [[Etsy]] store [[OfficialCWCmart]] with Chris's permission, giving him a cut of the profits. In [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering Sonichu medallions for sale, which were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. Praetor has since expanded to other, more bizarre, products, some produced by the group, and others by Chris. Chris's income split for products made by him is unknown. As of [[2023]], OfficialCWCmart has generated more than 3000 sales, giving them a minimum of between $49,905 and $116,000 in revenue, although their actual revenue is unknown but potentially higher.<ref>Of 3327 sales. Their lowest-priced item is $15, and a popular medallion item is $35. Several items such as art generally sold for $200 each</ref> While the sales have slowed down considerably, by [[March 2024]], the number has increased to over 4200.

During the [[Jail Saga]], Chris continued communicating with them, mailing them art from jail, which they added to [[OfficialCWCmart]].

Upon Chris's being released from jail, they have continued their involvement. In June 2023, Praetor member Caden Peck was involved with financing a [[Big Island, VA]] house, which Chris moved into later that year. During [[The Chris Chan Interview]], Chris mentioned paying rent. Chris has uploaded or live-streamed several highly edited videos which all promote [[OfficialCWCmart]].

==Membership==
[[File:Praetor_Instagram_tags_copy-min.png|350px|thumb|From left to right: Annie Ikenberry, Cabell O'Malley, Caden Peck, and Chris.]]
{{Quote|In the group, Annie is very much psychically able. Owen is like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs. Cabell is also psychically inclined, but she's the artist. Caden is very open-minded, and the brains and business.|Chris<ref name=naughtdms>[[Naught DMs#Praetor]]</ref>}}

While Caden is the leader of Praetor and presumably does most of the heavy lifting, there were at least three other members as of late [[2020]], along with several additional collaborators. The four core members were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}}. Owen left the group sometime prior to [[June 2021]], and while there's no conclusive evidence on Annabel leaving, she had a 10 month break in making content following 25 [[December 2023]], after which she had made her own website to sell her [[Mass debating|content]] on. There is no indication that Cabell remained involved with Praetor after Chris's [[Incest arrest|arrest for incest]] in [[August 2021]], making Caden the only confirmed remaining member. It's very possible, however, that he has since hired more members to produce art, as many of the products made since [[Chris and art|aren't total shite]].
===Caden Michael Peck===
'''Caden Michael Peck''' (born 17 September [[2002]]), also known as '''tinyhorse01''', is a 21-year old man. In June 2023, Caden, along with Essential Estate LLC, purchased a [[Big Island, VA]] house. Chris currently lives in the house and pays rent.

===Annabel Ikenberry===
'''Annabel "Annie" Renée Ikenberry''' ('''annirenee''') was an erocosplayer and OnlyFans camgirl. In [[Taser Discussion]], Caden implies that her OnlyFans was one of Praetor's business ventures, and that she had created it to make money for Praetor. According to Chris, she is "psychically able." In a 17 [[February 2021]] discussion with the [[Watchmen]], Chris confessed that he had considered her for a possible relationship.<ref>[[Lonely feelings]]</ref>

===Owen Sundstrom===
'''Owen Scott Sundstrom''' ('''owen_sundstrom''') is the former co-founder of Praetor. He was present at the [[Goochland Library Sermon]], where he was photographed posing with Chris. He also appears to be the photographer who took the picture of Chris and Praetor at the Chinese restaurant. According to Chris, Owen is "like the magician of the group; among his skill set, he can also make a variety of special teas and such that can be like potions and elixirs." Owen, along with Caden, suggested a link between the Mayan calendar and Chris's [[The Place chats - Lore Mashup|dream about a golden disc]].<ref name=naughtdms></ref>

In [[June 2021]], a Christorian left a comment on Owen's [[Instagram]], writing<ref name=oweninsta>[[:File:OwenInsta.png]]</ref>:

{{quotebox|Can’t believe such a pretty face could be such a scummy person. Trying to convince an autistic man to tease himself while simultaneously making thousands of dollars by using said autistic man’s internet notoriety}}

Owen responded to this:

{{quoteboxred|🤣 awe u think I’m pretty? Also that wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,, however I do regret starting preator,, I was the wizard, not the business man}}

===Cabell O'Malley===
'''Cabell Fitzpatrick O'Malley''' was described by Chris in the [[Naught DMs]] as "psychically inclined, but she's the artist." When the [[Incest Call]] leaked, there was speculation that Cabell was a nickname for [[Bella]]; however, Chris's mention of Cabell in the DMs predates his earliest interaction with Bella. Cabell is the blonde woman featured in the [[Instagram]] photo of Praetor and Chris at a Chinese restaurant. Initially, Praetor mistagged Cabell, linking an unrelated account to her.

Given that Chris had referred to Cabell as the artist, it can be assumed that she was responsible for producing the medallions, as Chris has mentioned that the artist of the group was the one who created them.

===Isabella Loretta Janke===
{{main|Isabella Loretta Janke}}

'''Isabella "Bella" Loretta Janke''', a troll most infamous for her horrid actions and [[Incest Call|revealing Chris's incestuous affair with his mother]], had relations with Praetor. They commissioned her to animate [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation of Chris and the Sonichu characters, which Chris uploaded to his YouTube channel. Despite her minimal role in the group, Chris has repeatedly referred to her as a member of Praetor, possibly alluding to more interactions between Bella and Praetor that have not been leaked.

===Golden Church of Sonichu members===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}

Messages from the [[Discord]] server [[Golden Church of Sonichu]] show that the members were working with Praetor. One member was supposedly making a video game, another was working on CGI for Praetor's [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|Chris Chan movie]], and another was making Chris Chan themed clothes. These members presumably stopped their interactions with Chris once he got arrested.

==Before Chris==
Caden, Owen, Annie, and Cabell were all students at Goochland High School in {{w|Goochland, Virginia}} in the late 2010s. [[Larry Vaughn]] claims that Praetor was "the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the [[Teen Troon Squad]] before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine"<ref name=larryvaughn>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Info Dump]]</ref><ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/post-17363984</ref>. [[Larry Vaughn]] referred to Owen Sundstrom as a "co-founder" of Praetor<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/page-15#post-8333293</ref>, which was confirmed in an Instagram messages by Owen, where he stated that he regrets "starting preator"<ref name=oweninsta></ref>.

Caden had claimed that Praetor has been around since [[2017]], working with "creative types."<ref name =q&a>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Praetor_Arrives,_Chris_Writes_his_Sermon,_More_Bible Discussion|Praetor Arrives, Chris Writes his Sermon, More Bible Discussion]]</ref>. If this is true, Caden would have been 14 or 15 years old at the time of Praetor's creation. Caden also claimed that they worked with Kevin Baugh, founder of the {{w|Republic of Molossia}} ([[Molvanîa|no relation]]), and wrote a dissertation for him in order to officiate Molossia as a sovereign nation.<ref name=q&a></ref>

Praetor used to have a dedicated website, but was taken down by Caden due to the domain costs. He decided that instead of waiting to have "eccentric people" find him, he would personally reach out to them himself.<ref name=q&a></ref> [[Naught]] once claimed that Praetor went after other lolcows before Chris, including Tommy Tooter, whom they tried to make products for.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/</ref>

==The Beginning==
===Meeting Chris===
[[File:OGGoldenMedallion.jpg|200px|thumb|The golden medallion Praetor gave to Chris]]
[[File:Praetor3.jpg|250px|thumb|Chris in a meeting with Caden]]
{{quote|I've always known about Christine. She always struck me as unique in the sense that she is probably one of the most famous people ever who has profited the least from her fame.
When I heard that she had tried to launch a store before, but been overwhelmed, I knew that there was a chance at profit. I run almost everything I do privately, so I reached out to Christine myself.|Caden<ref name=q&a></ref>}}

On 21 [[September 2020]], a "trio of fans" came to Chris's door with a golden [[Medallion|Sonichu medallion,]] crafted by "the young lady of the group, with paint that had a mixture of 24K gold in it." The "tall boys" had a business proposition for Chris, that with their mold press, they could mass produce and sell Sonichu medallions.<ref name=placeassociates>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)|The "New Associates" (and Helena Hate)]]</ref> Chris accepted, deeming them as trustworthy, and noted that he had a vision earlier where an artist crafted medallions for him.

{{quote|They have their business based in Goochland.

And I could tell by soul-reading them that their intentions were legit, honest and true.|Chris<ref name=placeassociates></ref>}}

===Introduced to the Watchmen===
On 22 [[September 2020]], Chris made a post on [[The Place]] [[Discord]] server, where he mentioned that he was meeting with some "new associates."<ref name=placeassociates></ref> He mentions that they were going to talk about "the molding to mass produce the medallions, and possibly the figures, with optional Amiibo functions, in a little while." After being asked who these associates were, Chris refused to give their identities but gave details about their first interaction.

On the 25th, Chris mentioned them to the [[Watchmen]] again, revealing their name as Praetor LLC<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Patreon_Troubles,_Chris's_Online_Social_Life,_%22The_Boys,%22_Praetor_LLC_Revealed|Patreon Troubles, Chris's Online Social Life, The Boys, Praetor LLC Revealed]]</ref>. On 3 October, Chris mentioned to them that Praetor was helping him create a "lore bible."<ref>[[User:Anaxis/The_Place_Chats#Lore_Bible_Discussion|Lore Bible Discussion]]</ref>. On the 15th, Praetor's [[Discord]] account, ran by Caden Peck, joined the [[The Place]] Discord server, and answered the Watchmen's questions.<ref name =q&a></ref>

{{collapsible|Chat Excerpts|{{quoteboxnavy|We'll initially be only selling Medallions. These act as a trial run, testing market interest. Along the way, we will add more products. These will include but not be limited to comics, cards, and possibly amino figurines.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|It costs about 3 dollars per medallion. We sell them for 25 apiece, as to match our competitors. Etsy brand imposters are selling Medallions for 25-30. To uproot them, we must match or go below their prices.

If business is good, we'll increase sales by discounting them, selling them for 15-20}}
{{quoteboxnavy|In order to emulate Sonichu's original medallion, they are stamped in a mold we made and baked. Then, painted. We mail them from our own company pocket for a while, as it is cheaper then registration with a mailing company. When we get big enough, we can afford to register and get discounted shipping services}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We've not shipped any yet, so we only have estimates. It won't be more then a few dollars.
The medallions are not large not heavy.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|We signed a confidentiality agreement with Sonichu, as we are a company. If Sonichu gives her consent, I can disclose profit splits and profit estimates.}}
{{quoteboxnavy| We've worked with creative types for about 3 years now. You may recognize a few of my more eccentric clients!
Have any of you ever heard of Molossia?}}

After being asked if they sold merch for Molossia:

{{quoteboxnavy|We don't only do merch. We helped him find someone to write a dissertation on the micronation's sovereignty.

He's using that to try and officiate his territory as a nation.

More power to him, I suppose.

What do y'all do? I'm excited to be working with this team.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|I used to have a website, but due to domain costs I took it down. When it comes to clients, I find that it's easier to find eccentric people then to have them find you. If you're interested in partnership or a meeting, I've been transitioning us to social media. We have a new twitter and an Instagram.
Our email is llcpraetor@gmail.com.}}
{{quoteboxnavy|@praetor_llc and the Twitter is @praetor
With social media, I can find my own clientele. Considering that I'm here, seems like things are working out!}}

On another brand named 'Praetor LLC':

{{quoteboxnavy|Oh no, we know about Praetor LLC. They're actually not trademarked, we've talked to them. Their site is a homedone project. The only internationally trademarked Praetor brand is Praetor Technologies.}}
}}

===Introduced to the Public===
On 16 October, they arranged for Chris to give [[Goochland Library Sermon|a sermon at Goochland library]], where he spewed his [[Dimensional Merge]] delusions. This spiel was done in front of a large screen displaying the Praetor logo. When it was eventually released on YouTube, it started with a loud dramatic opening, commissioned from an unknown source. They also added sarcastic captions, mocking Chris. The Praetor members took photos with Chris after the sermon.

<center><gallery>
File:Tinyhorse02.png|With Caden.
File:Praetor4.jpg|With Owen.
File:Praetor5.jpg|Arguably one of the most iconic images of Chris out there, appearing on news articles and formerly on his Wikitubia page until 1 March 2024.</gallery></center>

On 19 October, Praetor's presence was made known to the public, when they released multiple photos of Chris and the members of Praetor at a Chinese restaurant. One of these images included the members' Instagram handles, making it very easy for them to get doxxed.

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On 13 [[November 2020]], Chris uploaded [[Chris Chan Sonichu Intro animation]], an animation that Praetor had commissioned from [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]. After this, Bella began regularly chatting with Chris, [[Incest Call|eventually becoming rather infamous for unrelated reasons]].

===Starting the Etsy shop===
[[File:Sonichu medallion etsy dec 2020.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor somehow manages to make the medallion look ''worse'']]
[[File:RedRobe.jpg|300px|thumb|Golden Church of Sonichu Cult Robe, sold a year after the server died out]]

In December, Praetor created an Etsy shop, [[OfficialCWCmart]], where they began selling ''Sonichu'' medallions made by the group. The medallions produced by them manage to look much worse than any medallions made by Chris, and are completely inconsistent in how they look. According to several reviews on their store, they aren't also given enough time to dry up, resulting in still wet paint and hair stuck to the surface.

{{quote|(Editor's Note: All descriptions, titles, and product designs come directly from Chris Chan. These are hand done, and will therefore reflect the "Chris Chan Style." Expect defects, burns, and a general lapse in quality.)|Praetor's Etsy account, confirming that the products being shipped will be dogshit, even by Chris's standards}}

Praetor has since offered items made by Chris himself for sale, such as some medallion variants and [[Jail Art]]. Aside from a royalty payment from [[January 2021]], made by Praetor to Chris when OfficialCWCmart was only selling Praetor-made medallions,<ref name=praetorcash>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> Chris's share of the profits is unknown. When an [[Instagram]] user accused Owen Sundstrom of exploiting Chris for money, he responded, claiming that he tried to give Chris as much as he could.

{{quote|That wasn’t me,, I tried to give Chris as much money as I could,, but I was cut outta preator,, I only got 10% even tho is was a partnership, and I was in Chris’s corner tryna make sure he wasn’t taken advantage of,,|Owen<ref name=oweninsta></ref>}}

===Royalty payment===
On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor began offering ''Sonichu'' medallions for sale on [[OfficialCWCmart]]; the medallions were produced by the group and approved of by Chris. In exchange, Chris was paid a royalty for the use of his ''Sonichu'' IP.

A month later, the [[Watchmen]] noticed that OfficialCWCmart had made $5,900 worth of sales revenue on their medallion product, also the store's only product at the time.<ref name=medallionrevenue>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> In mid-January 2021, Chris told the Watchmen he had received nearly $400 in small cash amounts for his share.<ref name=praetorcash></ref> This equates to at least a 6.7% royalty (possibly more as date of Chris's payment is unknown). While royalty rates can vary, Chris's rate falls within a typical range.<ref>https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/licensing-artwork-negotiating-monitoring-royalty-payments-30093.html</ref>

Other information is unknown, such as Praetor's operating costs for the medallions and how much profit the group members had after expenses.

The Watchmen - among them [[MKRNightVee]] and [[Naught]] - erroneously believed that Chris was entitled to "almost all" of Praetor's revenue for the medallions.<ref name=medallionrevenue></ref> In the [[Taser Discussion]] call from [[February 2021]], MKR and Naught complained to Praetor's Caden. Chris himself did not mind, again pointing out he had been paid $400.

===Golden Church of Sonichu===
{{main|Golden Church of Sonichu}}
Praetor also created a [[Discord]] server, [[Golden Church of Sonichu]], which was created for anyone who bought their Golden Medallions on their Etsy shop. The server served as another outlet for Chris to rant about his delusions. Caden often posted in there too, giving insight into Praetor's bizarre business plans.

{{quote|-Christine has fully greenlit [REDACTED]'s video game. Please message Chris directly as soon as possible, as Christine would like to provide some direction with the game's storyline.

-The Praetor Flamethrower will be stress-tested this upcoming week at a local firing range sponsoring us. Please standby for future details.

-Christine has approved the future sale of Potions blessed by her. These are to be sold for less than $17 apiece, but a fixed price has not yet been decided. We need help finding cheaply shipped glassware in bulk. As cheap as possible is best, as we are going to be selling 3-4 kinds of potions stocked at at least 12 each. Bottles must be at very least 4oz, at most 16oz.

-Christine's Golden Medallions have already sold out. Expect more members soon.

-Test footage for [REDACTED] has been filmed in order to see if she can cgi a Sonichu next to Chris, allowing us to feature a Sonichu in the upcoming Chris Chan Movie. Please complete this as soon as possible, and we will kiss you on the mouth.|Caden<ref>[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]</ref>}}

Upon hacking into [[Isabella Loretta Janke]]'s account, [[Chris Kisses Rosechu|a short clip]] showing the behind-the-scenes process of the Chris Chan Movie was leaked. It shows Chris posing as a Praetor member commentates, telling him specific poses to do, while he's supposedly standing next to [[Rosechu]], who would be added in post as a CGI character.

==Taser Controversy==
{{see also|Taser}}
[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png|300px|thumb|The Taser]]
[[File:praetor cart.jpg|thumb|250px|The image featured in the instagram post]]
[[File:PraetorTaserBox.jpg|thumb|250px|A message left for a customer who bought a taser]]

On 15 [[November 2020]], Praetor posted a screenshot of an online shopping service's shopping cart - in the cart was a Pikachu mask and a VIPERTEK VTS-989 560 BV stun gun. Praetor stated:

{{quote|As Praetor, we always work hard to produce the best videos we can. Good works are in progress!|Praetor on an Instagram post featuring a Pikachu mask and stun gun.<ref>https://www.instagram.com/p/CHms9kGlhc3/ (archive: https://archive.ph/K6ojQ)</ref>}}

Praetor later claimed this was for promotion of sales of autographed "tasers".

===Conflict with the Watchmen===
{{see also|Taser Discussion}}
{{quote|we had a whole discussion about why it's a bad idea.|Caden, trying to talk Chris out of tazing himself.<ref name=tasercall>[[Taser Discussion]]</ref>}}
In [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].<ref name=thinking>[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]</ref>

The Watchmen confronted Caden about this, saying that it was dangerous for Praetor to be allowing Chris to use it and that Chris could hurt himself. In response, Caden insisted that Chris would be safe and that the group would act with safety in mind, that he would not permanently possess one of their stun guns, and that the version Chris would use is a lower-powered one than the items Praetor would be selling.<ref name=thinking></ref> Eventually, both parties began insulting each other on Discord. They eventually agreed to have [[Taser Discussion|a call]] about the issue, in which the Watchmen berate Caden about the issue.

Near the end of the call, [[Watchmen]] member [[Val]] jokingly asked if Praetor could get Chris to tase himself on video, to which Chris responded saying that he'd be willing too. Everyone was shocked by this, and Caden attempts to dissuade Chris from tazing himself.

After this call, the [[Watchmen]] gained an intense hatred and rivarly for Praetor and especially Caden, seeing him as on the same level as [[Joshua Wise]] or [[Jacob Sockness]]. [[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]] then released that portion of the audio clip, but twisted the context to make it seem like Praetor wanted Chris to tase himself. This rumor was perpetuated by other Watchmen members, and eventually reached [[GiBi]], who made a video claiming it was fact.

===Larry Vaughn===
{{see also|Larry Vaughn}}

Naught then doxxed Caden on the forum, which led to [[Larry Vaughn]] making multiple posts sharing his experiences with Praetor. While many were skeptical of Vaughn's claims, due to him arguably being an unreliable narrator, his [[Larry Vaughn DMs|DMs with Chris]] reveal that he did in fact have a phone call with Caden, meaning his post is most likely true<ref>[[Larry Vaughn DMs#Coded Message for Twitter Users]]</ref>.

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{{quote|Still hard to believe that [Caden Peck] legit thought that I was the representative of a group of rich folks that would buy shitty medallions so we could roleplay with Chris in a private Discord server.|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|So my initial contact with them was when Christine sent me Caden's phone number and asked me to call him. I initially thought that he was going to tell me to fuck off, but he at the time at least entertained the idea of bringing 'us' (LAnon) on board. He pitched the idea of 'golden sonichu medallions' to me, which were basically regular Sonichu medallions with a code or something on them that would grant people access to a discord group to talk with Chris directly. He said that Christine "was a very busy woman with everything going on, and that Praetor basically served to screen out trolls from legitimate business dealings so she could have time to focus on her tasks." I said that I would entertain their offer, and I would just need to take a headcount of who would be interested in one.

[...]

-Praetor was the brainchild of Caden, and was initially just like the Teen Troon Squad before they had the idea to make a cult around Christine, and eventually even this devolved into them basically becoming a slightly less shitty version of the idea guys 2.0

-They work in a nasty basement painting Sonichu medallions to sell. Now people seem to think that they just give Chris the money. They don't, they basically hold it from him unless he does what they want

-The amount of money they make is apparently enough that Christine could have hired a private investigator to come after me, and this person contacted me after Chris threatened to call the cops on me

-My 'big plan' (Sending Chris to Florida) was apparently liked by Caden, to the point that he would pay for a ticket for Chris

-Chris claimed that Null was on Praetor's side, and was working with them to hunt me down (whether this is real or a delusion of Chris' is yet to be determined)|Larry Vaughn<ref name=larryvaughn></ref>}}

{{quote|To be honest Praetor just wants to further enable Chris at this point because doing so makes them money. Like they thought that I put mushrooms in the wine to poison Chris, they thought that they could get money from me, and they also thought that I was like 30 people.|Larry Vaughn<ref>[[Kiwi Farms posts (Larry Vaughn)#Praetor]]</ref>}}
}}

===Resold===
In [[2022]], Praetor began selling tasers previously autographed by Chris on their Etsy shop, supposedly for the purpose of simulating "zapping to the extreme" for buyers. Etsy quickly removed this listing. Eventually, Praetor created a listing titled 'The Secret Listing', a listing that had no information on what it was. It was later revealed through [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|emails]] that The Secret Listing was a taser, with the fact hidden in order to bypass Etsy guidelines.

One of the people who bought the taser would mail it to the channel SuperMega, where they would unbox it on video<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DW5OaHIfMdY&ab_channel=SuperMega</ref>.

==Jail Saga==
{{see also|Praetor Jail Art|OfficialCWCmart#Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:PraetorLetter.jpg|250px|thumb|Praetor's message to a customer who bought a piece of jail art]]

In [[July 2021]], Caden had plans to buy Chris a PC so he could do more streams,<ref>[[The_Knights_of_CWC_chats_(July_2021)#The_"Older_Lady_Friend"_Call_(Second_Layer_commentary)|Older Lady Friend Call]]</ref> however this plan was cut short by Chris's [[Incest Arrest|arrest]] after he [[Affair With Mother|fucked his mother]]. After Chris got kicked out of his house for this, he contacted Caden to try and get his assistance in finding a hotel, though it is unknown how Caden responded to this.<ref>[[WCT DMs#Asking about Incest Call leak]]</ref>

===Continued Business===
{{quote|Caden (Praetor) is genuinely one who is able to speak on my behalf when appropriate, and is in friendship and business association with I in mutual agreements|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 14 July 2022]]</ref>}}
Praetor continued to talk to Chris. At one point, Chris mentioned that Caden was working on publishing the "Goddess Log", his jail diary<ref>[[Jail Call - 1 November 2021]]</ref>.

In [[May 2022]], Praetor began selling [[Praetor Jail Art|art that Chris made in jail]], making their contact with Chris much more obvious. They also added [[Jail Medallion Promotions|audio clips]] of Chris promoting their medallions from jail to their Etsy. Aside from these, the products sold on [[OfficialCWCmart]] became increasingly strange, including arrowheads, cult robes, and signed g-fuel.

In [[June 2022]], Chris started mentioning Caden in his letters, expressing his desire to have [[Helena Fiorenza]] collaborate with him<ref>[[Jail Letter - 25 June 2022]]</ref>, though Caden did not respond when Helena attempted to do so<ref name=july21>[[Jail Letter - 21 July 2022]]</ref>.

===Chris's Fundraiser Plan===
In [[July 2022]], Chris began writing in letters about his newfound hatred of [[Barb]]. He told Caden to check if Barb was still at [[14 Branchland Court]], which he apparently did. Chris then pulled several theoretical crimes out of his ass and instructed Caden to call the police on Barb, though there is no evidence Caden agreed to his request.

{{quote|By Caden’s confirmation, Barbara was still at the Sonichu Temple; Redneck and Stubborn. So, giving him the list of her charable crimes, including pet negigance/mistreatment, suicide threats, emotional manipulation and abuse upon I, and ADA’s law of using someone else’s SSI, I have instructed Caden alone, to call the police on her.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 4 July 2022]]</ref>}}

In another spate of selfishness, Chris, still desiring to live at 14 Branchland Court (but was allegedly legally forbidden from living with Barb, the owner of the house) decided on starting a $150,000 fundraiser to pay off [[14 Branchland Court]]'s mortgages and debts, and to put Barb in an Elderly Care Home. Chris hoped Caden, [[Kenneth Engelhardt]] and [[Helena]] would assist with his scheme.<ref name=july21></ref> Chris claimed to Helena that Caden was attempting to persuade Barb to move:<ref name=july21></ref>

{{quote|But Barb is being a Majorly Stubborn Individual in relocating her self. Caden is working on persuading her and presenting her with the Truths of the Legality.|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Chris also claimed he sent a letter to Caden directing him to organize the fundraiser. No such fundraiser has been announced.

{{quote|I have just sent a letter to Caden with all the specifics, and the one public letter and drawing on the matter, in organizing an online fundraiser to raise $150,000 to pay off the mortgage and debts, and some left to pay for her to start off in an Elderly Care Home|Chris<ref name=july21></ref>}}

Kenneth attempted to suggest Chris speak through a lawyer instead of Caden.<ref>[[Jail Letter - 22 July 2022 (1)]]</ref> Chris fired back angrily.

{{quote|And don't you judge Caden in that vain. He's not flawless, but he is more Perfect of himself and at what and how he does as a legit Friend and in working on my behalf; He actually works well with his flaws and limits, and he's made breakthrough with Barb, and he is not intimidating.|Chris<ref>[[Jail Letter - 29 July 2022]]</ref>}}

Chris's fundraiser scheme predictably failed, and contributed to Kenneth, Helena and [[Eels]] cutting ties with him.<ref>[[Excommunication letter]]</ref>

===Interview===
{{main|March 2023 Praetor Interview}}
In [[March 2023]], Praetor had [[March 2023 Praetor Interview|an interview]] with a [[Kiwi Farms]] user. In this interview, they have claimed that Chris calls them twice a week about the Etsy store. They also stated that the store has earned Chris a lot of money, despite him still being in jail by that time.

{{quote|Chris calls twice a week to deal with the store, as no listings are made with out his express oversight. As for the cease and desists, we'd just advise that folk stay out of any trouble. Chris's cash has been accumulating, as the money he gets from both the store and monthly disability hasn't been touched while incarcerated.|Praetor}}

They have also stated that the reason Chris hasn't sent any letters or had any visitors is because [[David Heilberg]], Chris's lawyer, advised them to not let any "ill-meaning folk" near Chris.

{{quote|Both the lack of recent letters and having no visitors is intentional, as Heilberg advised us to close any way for ill-meaning folk to get close.|Praetor}}

They offer more insider knowledge on Chris, such as the fact that he had plans to grow a beard in prison (Something not realistically possible, considering he still took HRT while in jail and had problems growing facial hair even before the transition), and that he had plans to return, with strange aspirations as well, which did come true with the release of [[Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime Resurrected and Returned]].

==Post-jail involvement==
{{see also|OfficialCWCmart#Post-Jail Saga Items}}
[[File:Coveredsonchu.png|250px|thumb|What appears to be [[Son-Chu]], covered up so trolls wouldn't spot it, spotted on a Google Maps view of Caden's house]]
After plenty of sightings online and [[Post-jail sightings|offline]], Chris finally made his grand return in [[October 2023]]. Along with Chris's return, [[OfficialCWCmart]] returned as well, stocked with a plethora of new items. This included new [[Medallions|Sonichu medallions]], with brand new pictures of Chris in front of a green screen, new promotions of [[Neo Spiritual Christianity]], and [[2021 Lost Commissions|dozens upon dozens of lost commissions]] that Chris drew for the [[Everfree Northwest]] fundraiser in [[2021]]

Chris's new videos from this point forward were incredibly high quality (for Chris's standards), making it very likely that Praetor was behind these videos, as they have had previous experience with high-quality editing and Chris uses the same green screen which is used in the Etsy store. Chris also consistently promoted [[OfficialCWCmart]] in the description of these videos. The list of products has later further increased in [[January 2024]], as a result of a war with the newly released Sonichu merchandise from [[Geno Samuel]], though they appear to be the same overpriced low quality stuff as before. This has also expanded to [[Praetor Commissions|art commissions]] for a totally reasonable sum of $225-300.

===Big Island House===
[[File:BigIslandHouse.jpg|thumb|Photo of the house from Zillow]]

In [[June 2023]], a property in [[Big Island]] was transferred to Caden Peck, along with an LLC called "Essential Estate LLC", for $235,000. In [[November 2023]], [[Kiwi Farms]] users managed to find evidence of Chris living at the property. Firstly, Chris's [[November 2023 social media posts|P.O Box]], announced by Chris a few days earlier, was located only 22 minutes from the house, and Chris has been [[Post-jail sightings (2023)|previously sighted in Big Island]]. In an October 2023 Google Streetview, a car covered by a sheet can be seen outside the house, with a hubcap suspiciously similar to Chris's car. Lastly, in Chris's recent streams, we have occasionally gotten glimpses of his house, with one of the doors appearing in the streams perfectly matching up with a listing for the property. He has also posted several pictures of his rooms on the social media, which match with the house listing photos.

Caden does not actually live with Chris, as he has another residence in Maryville, Missouri. This is shown when, a month after buying the Big Island house, three felonies were filed against Caden by Maryville authorities for illegally manufacturing and delivering psilocybin mushrooms. On 28 August he pleaded guilty and received 5 years probation and 19 days in jail.<ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/cnet/cases/newHeader.do?inputVO.caseNumber=23ND-CR00268-01&inputVO.courtId=SMPDB0001_CT04#docket</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/GUILTY%20PLEA%208-28-23.PDF?courtCode=04&di=936062</ref><ref>https://www.courts.mo.gov/fv/c/REDACTED%20PC%20STATEMENT%20PECK.PDF?courtCode=04&di=921031</ref> Further indication that Caden does not live in Big Island is in the [[October 2023]] livestream [[The Return of Jesus Christ Chan Sonichu Prime]], in which Chris turns off the stream in order to respond to a phone call from Caden.

==See also==
*[[OfficialCWCmart]]
*[[Praetor Jail Art]]
*[[Goochland Library Sermon]]
*[[Taser]]
*[[Taser Discussion]]
*[[2021 Lost Commissions]]
*[[Chris Kisses Rosechu]]
*[[Isabella Loretta Janke]]
*[[Lynchburg and Big Island, VA]]
*[[Golden Church of Sonichu]]
*[[March 2023 Praetor Interview]]

==External links==
*[https://www.instagram.com/praetor_llc Praetor's Instagram (deleted)]
*[https://twitter.com/_Praetor_ Praetor's Twitter]
*[https://www.etsy.com/shop/OfficialCWCmart Praetor's Etsy]

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User talk:AAE

2024-08-03T17:12:44Z

XelaBlueThunder:

==Chris and science==
Sure add more to any section you like.
I was actually planning on making a singular "Chris and science" article which deals with Chris' relationship with science as a whole and make separate articles titled "Biology", "Physics" etc. For examples on how he treats each subject individually. This is to mainly not clutter up the CWCki with too many "Chris and " articles, I'm open to your thoughts on this. Also sign your posts - [[User:Klop|Your friendly neighbourhood Klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 07:54, 7 June 2020 (UTC)

==Kim Wilson==
I don't think any audio files of "Kim Wilson" exist. So the line about meeting an audiologist though funny, is wrong. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:47, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

There is audio footage of her, such as [[Chris's Big Night Out]] [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 15:52, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

: I just remembered. Sorry for bothering. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:58, 5 July 2020 (UTC)

==Virginia is for Virgin Ears==
The usage of profanity, even in private, was illegal in Virginia until 2020. However, this law is seldom enforced.

However, Virginia law still prohibits the use of profanity over the telephone, airwaves, or other electronic methods, which would include YouTube videos.<ref>[https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter9/section18.2-427/]</ref> Chris hasn't been prosecuted for this, though, and such a prosecution would be flimsy under the First Amendment if it were ever tried in a state or federal high court – state courts have neutered similar laws still on the books in other states (including California, which only enforces its "offensive language" disturbing-the-peace laws when immediate physical violence or physical provocation ensues).
[[User:XelaBlueThunder|XelaBlueThunder]] ([[User talk:XelaBlueThunder|talk]]) 13:12, 3 August 2024 (EDT)

Sightings (2024)

2024-07-06T00:04:59Z

XelaBlueThunder: /* Walmart (July) */

{{protip|We once again advise you to ''never ever'' directly engage with Chris nor attempt to get him [[banned]] from the places he's been to. On the off-chance that you cross paths with Chris, the absolute ''most'' that you should do is [[Passive observers|get some kind of documentation of Chris]], [[Unholy Tetrad|but never to directly engage with him]]; otherwise, it is best to leave Chris alone. To put it more bluntly: ''DO NOT'' attempt to stalk Chris upon seeing him, and ''NEVER'' speak to Chris in ''ANY'' way, shape, or form, or to anyone at his current place of residence. [[Megan Schroeder|You]] [[BlueSpike|do]] ''[[A-Logging|NOT]]'' [[Idea Guys#Removal from power|want]] [[Michael Hirtes|to]] [[Isabella Loretta Janke|be]] [[Jacob Sockness|a part]] [[Affair with Mother|of Christory]].}}
{{Ongoing}}

This page contains sightings of Chris which took place in [[2024]].

==January==
===Ultimate Comics (North Carolina)===
On 4 [[January 2024]], Chris and [[Flutter]] were spotted and photographed at Ultimate Comics in [[wikipedia:Cary, North Carolina|Cary, North Carolina]] by [[r/ChrisChanSonichu]] user RandyMagnum68, who claimed that the pair were picking up tickets for [[Animate! Raleigh]], a convention in [[wikipedia:Raleigh, North Carolina|Raleigh NC]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/18yqgb5/chris_chan_sighting_in_cary_nc_with_young_girl/</ref> The following day, they were seen together at the event.

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===Animate! Raleigh===
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===Raleigh Convention Center===
On 6 [[January 2024]], Chris and Flutter were spotted outside of the [[Animate! Raleigh]] convention, purportedly being denied entry. An image was provided by r/ChrisChanSonichu user DeadStargazer, who stated that security was awaiting Chris and Flutter's arrival. The user says no incident prompted this removal, simply that Chris was reported to the convention ops on 5 January.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1907pum/chris_chan_kicked_out_of_animate_raleigh/</ref>
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===Gas station===
On 13 [[January 2024]], Reddit user u/lynnwood_davis allegedly spotted Chris at a gas station, presumably [[Sheetz]], in Henrico County.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/196hbd8/chris_came_into_my_job_yesterday/ ([https://archive.fo/nmSqb archive])</ref>

{{quotebox|I was finishing an order around 3:45pm when I noticed someone ordering had on really ugly green leggings and a jean skirt. I smiled to myself and thought "that lady looks like Chris Chan, got the ugly leggings+skirt combo on too", just for me to look at her face and realize it IS Chris Chan, with her fading blue hair and she/her pin on. I couldn't take a picture because she DEFINITELY noticed how much I was staring and I couldn't stop smiling. I texted my buddy on the register and apparently she ended up going through his line. he told me later that day that when he realized she was in his line, his eyes bugged out of his head and she awkwardly just said "doot doot doo..." under her breath. he confirmed his suspicions when she took out her Sonichu wallet. she awkwardly shuffled around the coffee area waiting for her order and mumbled anxiously looking for napkins, and left soon after.}}

This sighting, due to the lack of photos and credibility, has been disputed for a long time; however, since it's located near the airport Chris picked up Flutter from a month earlier and Flutter was nowhere to be seen, it's safe to say that's when she left the scene once again, as confirmed by later sightings and overall activity of Chris.

===Target===
On 23 [[January 2024]], Chris was spotted at [[Target]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by u/DatabaseSuccessful99 on [[Reddit]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichuSFW/comments/19er88t/christinachandler_at_target// ([https://archive.ph/D0Fl3 archive])</ref>

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Chris was separately spotted and recorded the same day by @andrewtsquid on TikTok.<ref>https://www.tiktok.com/@lolcow.docs/video/7333269261877546270</ref><ref>https://www.tiktok.com/@andrewtsquid/video/7333255461040377134</ref>

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==February==
===Walmart===
On 21 [[February 2024]], Chris was spotted at [[Walmart]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by u/Unhappy-Rub-6371 on [[Reddit]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1awq6vd/sorry_chris_chan_lynchburg_walmart_on_wards_road/ ([https://archive.ph/b6xA1 archive])</ref>

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===Liberty University===
On 24 [[February 2024]] Chris was spotted at [[wikipedia:Liberty University|Liberty University]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by @munchaboy24 on [[Twitter]]<ref>https://x.com/munchaboy24/status/1761490091661513085?s=20 ([https://archive.ph/eCJko archive])</ref>

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Chris was spotted again the same day by @AryehSYE on Twitter.<ref>https://x.com/AryehSYE/status/1761560858964943327?s=20 ([https://archive.ph/bALw8 archive])</ref>

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==March==
===River Ridge Mall (March)===
On 3 [[March 2024]] Chris was spotted at [[wikipedia:River Ridge Mall|River Ridge Mall]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by u/white_crayon69 on [[Reddit]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1b5skl7/chris_chan_spotted_at_the_river_ridge_mall_332024/ ([https://archive.ph/IjlfF archive])</ref>

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===Sheetz (March)===
On 11 [[March 2024]] Chris was spotted and photographed at a [[Sheetz]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by @hystericvision on [[Twitter]]. Chris's Car was also photographed with a new bumper sticker that reads [[Virginia is for Virgins|"VIRGINIA IS FOR LOVERS"]].<ref>https://twitter.com/hystericvision/status/1767282747943391638 ([https://archive.ph/JAoO6 archive])</ref>

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===River Ridge Mall (March, second sighting)===
At 2 pm on 18 [[March 2024]], Chris was spotted at River Ridge Mall.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1bjg9cv/spotted_at_river_ridge_mall_318/ ([https://archive.fo/MOv81 archive])</ref>

{{quotebox|(Censored face of person sitting in bar behind them) Two guys had a camera and were recording a conversation with Chris, who (at one point) raised a hand and started singing a high note, garnering looks from the people around the food court.}}

The poster later claimed the individual interviewing Chris was [[TheGamerFromMars]], this was later confirmed by TheGamerFromMars in a podcast.<ref>https://youtu.be/dbcjCjg_sPg?si=ufj-1VfWZr42RReL&t=1796</ref>
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===TJ Maxx===
On 23 [[March 2024]], Chris was spotted with [[Flutter]] at {{w|TJ Maxx}} in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by u/Possible-Major-6101 on [[Reddit]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1bm8mws/chris_chan_spotted/ ([https://archive.ph/5MuWP archive])</ref> This was the first time Flutter was seen since Animate! Raleigh, disproving rumors about her staying away from Chris due to the aftermath of the event.

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===Target Parking Lot===
On 25 [[March 2024]], Chris was spotted alone in a parking lot near [[Target]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by u/DatabaseSuccessful99 on [[Reddit]].<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichuSFW/comments/1bnlb6d/saw_her_again/ ([https://archive.ph/L3Eeh archive])</ref>

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==May==
===Dallas Airport===
On 24 [[May 2024]] Chris was spotted at {{w|Dallas Fort Worth International Airport}}, Texas by [[Reddit]] user Accomplished_Fix1716. Accomplished_Fix1716 said that Chris's flight was canceled. Accomplished_Fix1716 also said that Chris was calling someone, as well as texting.<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichuSFW/comments/1d029xf/botched_chris_chan_spotting/ ([https://archive.ph/2UMXH archive])</ref>

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====Transcript====
''[Accomplished_Fix1716 walks up to Chris seated while texting on his phone.]''

'''Accomplished_Fix1716:''' Uh, (clears throat) excuse me?

'''Chris:''' Mmmmm... I'm not acknowledging you right now.

'''Accomplished_Fix1716:''' Oh, okay. Sorry.

===Big Island House + H&H Mart===
On 29 [[May 2024]], [[Kiwi Farms]] user TwistedFreak posted two pictures of Chris's car, alongside one photo of Chris himself in front of the [[Big Island House]].<ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2069#post-18414439 ([https://archive.ph/7Zv1X archive])</ref> TwistedFreak later realized it was not, in fact, Chris's car in the side-view mirror photo taken at H&H Mart. <ref>https://kiwifarms.st/threads/random-chris-updates.23605/page-2074#post-18478398)</ref>
{{quoteboxgreen|Good afternoon Kiwis.

I present to you Day 2 of #Crishing - a Twisted Freak Production.

I come bearing answers to two long debated questions:
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1.Does Chris read Kiwi Farms?</nowiki> <nowiki>
2.Does bullying work?</nowiki>

After less than a week of being publicly shamed on KF for his antisocial parking behavior, Christopher has changed his ways. See pic:

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That was from this morning. On my second trip of the day #Crishing on [House address], I spotted a wild Christopher outside of his paper mill goon mansion:

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So much for that airport fit, back to dressing like a 5 year old girl apparently.

After snapping that pic, I flipped a U-Turn and went to H&H Mart. After laying down a doozer in the bathroom, I saw Christopher getting gas at the gas station. I didn't notice him until I was already in my car. Rather than startle him with a camera in his face, I managed to snap a picture of him leaving:
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==June==
===River Ridge Mall (June)===
On 29 [[June 2024]], Chris was sighted at River Ridge Mall in Lynchburg with [[Flutter]] by [[Reddit]] user ProduceFuzzy1353. According to the Redditor, Chris and Flutter had Chick-Fil-A and went to see a movie,<ref>https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1drypjd/chris_chan_spotted/ ([https://archive.fo/H72AD archive])</ref> later confirmed to be ''Inside Out 2''.<ref>https://sonichu.com/cwcki/June_2024_livestream</ref>
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==July==
===Walmart (July)===
On 5 [[July 2024]], Chris and [[Flutter]] were spotted at a [[Walmart]] in [[Lynchburg, VA]] by a friend of Reddit user white_crayon69.<ref>https://reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/1dwaeub/chris_chan_spotted_at_the_walmart_in_lynchburg/ ([https://archive.fo/JGzmg archive])</ref>
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Another user, by the nick of Silly_Tourist123, later published another video of them at the same spot, writing: "I saw them too while I was checking out my bags. I managed to tail his car as he was leaving for a short ways."<ref>https://archive.is/WwiWk</ref><ref>https://streamable.com/9fdmp0</ref>
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