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Mangolover887: /* Actual Cherokee ancestor */

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Actual Cherokee ancestor

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	Polly Cherokee (1703 to 1790) - > Melissa Talivia Odum (1720 to unknown) - > Mary Brigman (1755 to 1822) - > Druscilla Dearman (1778 to 1870) - > Curtis Teer (1807 to 1886) - > [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837 to 1919) - > Mary Frances Teer (1873 to 1914) - > Jean Hollomon (1906 to 1945) - > [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927 to 2011) - > [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982 - present)		Polly Cherokee (1703 to 1790) - > Melissa Talivia Odum (1720 to unknown) - > Mary Brigman (1755 to 1822) - > Druscilla Dearman (1778 to 1870) - > Curtis Teer (1807 to 1886) - > [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837 to 1919) - > Mary Frances Teer (1873 to 1914) - > Jean Hollomon (1906 to 1945) - > [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927 to 2011) - > [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982 - present)

	This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref> However, other online sources dispute the Odom-Cherokee connection~~, saying~~ "There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. [[Love Quest\|Interracial marriage was illegal]], so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741."<ref>https://wikitree.com/g2g/1576188/unsure-legitimacy-native-american-heritage-claims-carolina</ref>		This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref> However, other online sources dispute the Odom-Cherokee connection; a Wikitree user says "There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. [[Love Quest\|Interracial marriage was illegal]], so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741."<ref>https://wikitree.com/g2g/1576188/unsure-legitimacy-native-american-heritage-claims-carolina</ref>

	South Carolina banned interracial marriage in 1717,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States#Anti-miscegenation_laws_overturned_on_June_12,_1967,_by_Loving_v._Virginia</ref> 2 years before Polly is stated to have married Joshua by familysearch.		South Carolina banned interracial marriage in 1717,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States#Anti-miscegenation_laws_overturned_on_June_12,_1967,_by_Loving_v._Virginia</ref> 2 years before Polly is stated to have married Joshua by familysearch.

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	This lead to the creation of the bizarre "[[Cherokian Clan]]" featured in the ''Sonichu'' comic. Since Chris was making up the whole thing, he also declared his <s>fictional</s> ancestor to be the [[Chris and his ego\|leader of the entire Cherokee Nation]].		This lead to the creation of the bizarre "[[Cherokian Clan]]" featured in the ''Sonichu'' comic. Since Chris was making up the whole thing, he also declared his <s>fictional</s> ancestor to be the [[Chris and his ego\|leader of the entire Cherokee Nation]].

	Chris's Cherokee ancestor was introduced in ''[[Sonichu 2\|Sonichu #2]]'', which was completed on 3 May 2005. The ancestor was long assumed to be nonexistent, but on 16 January 2025 - 19 years and 8 months later - the ancestor was discovered to be real by CWCki editor [[User:Cilria2\|Cilria2]]. '''Polly "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (~~abt~~ 1703 to 1790) is Chris's 7th great-grandmother.		Chris's Cherokee ancestor was introduced in ''[[Sonichu 2\|Sonichu #2]]'', which was completed on 3 May 2005. The ancestor was long assumed to be nonexistent, but on 16 January 2025 - 19 years and 8 months later - the ancestor was discovered to be real by CWCki editor [[User:Cilria2\|Cilria2]]. '''Polly "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (c. 1703 to 1790) is Chris's 7th great-grandmother.

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	== Actual Cherokee ancestor ==		== Actual Cherokee ancestor ==
	''' Polly Bowman "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (~~abt~~ 1703 to 1790) was the 7th great-grandmother of Chris and Chris's actual Native American Ancestor. She was the wife of Joshua Odum (1700 to 1745) and had one daughter Melissa Talivia Odum. They married in 1719 ([[Pedofork\|when she was 16]]) in {{w\|Orangeburg, South Carolina}}. She was born in the Cherokee territory of South Carolina.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GNGQ-97J - imgur screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/bRIRaIb.png</ref>		''' Polly Bowman "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (c. 1703 to 1790) was the 7th great-grandmother of Chris and Chris's actual Native American Ancestor. She was the wife of Joshua Odum (1700 to 1745) and had one daughter Melissa Talivia Odum. They married in 1719 ([[Pedofork\|when she was 16]]) in {{w\|Orangeburg, South Carolina}}. She was born in the Cherokee territory of South Carolina.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GNGQ-97J - imgur screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/bRIRaIb.png</ref>

	The line of descent is as follows:		The line of descent is as follows:

Mangolover887: /* Actual Cherokee ancestor */

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Actual Cherokee ancestor

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	This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref> However, other online sources dispute the Odom-Cherokee connection, saying "There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. [[Love Quest\|Interracial marriage was illegal]], so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741."<ref>https://wikitree.com/g2g/1576188/unsure-legitimacy-native-american-heritage-claims-carolina</ref>		This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref> However, other online sources dispute the Odom-Cherokee connection, saying "There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. [[Love Quest\|Interracial marriage was illegal]], so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741."<ref>https://wikitree.com/g2g/1576188/unsure-legitimacy-native-american-heritage-claims-carolina</ref>

			South Carolina banned interracial marriage in 1717,<ref>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-miscegenation_laws_in_the_United_States#Anti-miscegenation_laws_overturned_on_June_12,_1967,_by_Loving_v._Virginia</ref> 2 years before Polly is stated to have married Joshua by familysearch.

	==See also==		==See also==

Mangolover887: /* Actual Cherokee ancestor */

2025-01-22T14:48:09Z

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	== Actual Cherokee ancestor ==		== Actual Cherokee ancestor ==
	''' Polly Bowman "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (abt 1703 to 1790) was the 7th great-grandmother of Chris and Chris's actual Native American Ancestor. She was the wife of Joshua Odum (1700 to 1745) and had one daughter Melissa Talivia Odum. They married in 1719 ([[Pedofork\|when she was 16]]). She was born in the Cherokee territory of South Carolina.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GNGQ-97J - imgur screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/bRIRaIb.png</ref>		''' Polly Bowman "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (abt 1703 to 1790) was the 7th great-grandmother of Chris and Chris's actual Native American Ancestor. She was the wife of Joshua Odum (1700 to 1745) and had one daughter Melissa Talivia Odum. They married in 1719 ([[Pedofork\|when she was 16]]) in {{w\|Orangeburg, South Carolina}}. She was born in the Cherokee territory of South Carolina.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GNGQ-97J - imgur screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/bRIRaIb.png</ref>

	The line of descent is as follows:		The line of descent is as follows:

Mangolover887: /* Actual Cherokee ancestor */

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	== Actual Cherokee ancestor ==		== Actual Cherokee ancestor ==
	''' Polly Bowman "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (abt 1703 to 1790) was the 7th great-grandmother of Chris and Chris's actual Native American Ancestor. She was the wife of Joshua Odum (1700 to 1745) and had one daughter Melissa Talivia Odum. They married in 1719 ([[Pedofork\|when she was 16]]). She was born in the Cherokee territory of South Carolina.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GNGQ-97J</ref>		''' Polly Bowman "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee''' (abt 1703 to 1790) was the 7th great-grandmother of Chris and Chris's actual Native American Ancestor. She was the wife of Joshua Odum (1700 to 1745) and had one daughter Melissa Talivia Odum. They married in 1719 ([[Pedofork\|when she was 16]]). She was born in the Cherokee territory of South Carolina.<ref>https://www.familysearch.org/tree/person/details/GNGQ-97J - imgur screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/bRIRaIb.png</ref>

	The line of descent is as follows:		The line of descent is as follows:

Eamoo: x

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	Polly Cherokee (1703 to 1790) - > Melissa Talivia Odum (1720 to unknown) - > Mary Brigman (1755 to 1822) - > Druscilla Dearman (1778 to 1870) - > Curtis Teer (1807 to 1886) - > [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837 to 1919) - > Mary Frances Teer (1873 to 1914) - > Jean Hollomon (1906 to 1945) - > [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927 to 2011) - > [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982 - present)		Polly Cherokee (1703 to 1790) - > Melissa Talivia Odum (1720 to unknown) - > Mary Brigman (1755 to 1822) - > Druscilla Dearman (1778 to 1870) - > Curtis Teer (1807 to 1886) - > [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837 to 1919) - > Mary Frances Teer (1873 to 1914) - > Jean Hollomon (1906 to 1945) - > [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927 to 2011) - > [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982 - present)

	This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref> However, other online sources dispute the Odom-Cherokee connection, saying "There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. Interracial marriage was illegal, so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741."<ref>https://wikitree.com/g2g/1576188/unsure-legitimacy-native-american-heritage-claims-carolina</ref>		This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref> However, other online sources dispute the Odom-Cherokee connection, saying "There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. [[Love Quest\|Interracial marriage was illegal]], so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741."<ref>https://wikitree.com/g2g/1576188/unsure-legitimacy-native-american-heritage-claims-carolina</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

Eamoo: There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. Interracial marriage was illegal, so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741.

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There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. Interracial marriage was illegal, so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741.

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	Polly Cherokee (1703 to 1790) - > Melissa Talivia Odum (1720 to unknown) - > Mary Brigman (1755 to 1822) - > Druscilla Dearman (1778 to 1870) - > Curtis Teer (1807 to 1886) - > [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837 to 1919) - > Mary Frances Teer (1873 to 1914) - > Jean Hollomon (1906 to 1945) - > [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927 to 2011) - > [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982 - present)		Polly Cherokee (1703 to 1790) - > Melissa Talivia Odum (1720 to unknown) - > Mary Brigman (1755 to 1822) - > Druscilla Dearman (1778 to 1870) - > Curtis Teer (1807 to 1886) - > [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837 to 1919) - > Mary Frances Teer (1873 to 1914) - > Jean Hollomon (1906 to 1945) - > [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927 to 2011) - > [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982 - present)

	This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref>		This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref> However, other online sources dispute the Odom-Cherokee connection, saying "There are no records of any Cherokee women by name until late in the 18th century. Interracial marriage was illegal, so if you have found a marriage record for the couple, the wife was not Native American. The white traders who married Cherokee women lived in the Cherokee Nation with their wives, not in white communities. Joshua Odum and Polly Bowman were married in Burke, N.C. In 1821, not 1741."<ref>https://wikitree.com/g2g/1576188/unsure-legitimacy-native-american-heritage-claims-carolina</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

Mangolover887: /* Actual Cherokee ancestor */ Streamline + remove redlink

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	The line of descent is as follows:		The line of descent is as follows:

	*Polly Cherokee (~~1703–1790~~)		Polly Cherokee (1703 to 1790) - > Melissa Talivia Odum (1720 to unknown) - > Mary Brigman (1755 to 1822) - > Druscilla Dearman (1778 to 1870) - > Curtis Teer (1807 to 1886) - > [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837 to 1919) - > Mary Frances Teer (1873 to 1914) - > Jean Hollomon (1906 to 1945) - > [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927 to 2011) - > [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982 - present)
	**Melissa Talivia Odum (~~1720–unknown~~)
	~~***~~Mary Brigman (~~1755–1822~~)
	~~****~~Druscilla Dearman (~~1778–1870~~)
	~~*****~~Curtis Teer (~~1807–1886~~)
	~~******~~[[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (~~1837–1919~~)
	~~*******~~Mary Frances Teer (~~1873–1914~~)
	********[[Jean Hollomon]] (~~1906–1945~~)
	~~*********~~[[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (~~1927–2011~~)
	~~**********~~[[Christian Weston Chandler]] (~~1982–present~~)

	This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref>		This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref>

Eamoo: /* Actual Cherokee ancestor */

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Actual Cherokee ancestor

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	Polly Cherokee (~~1703 to 1790~~) ~~- >~~ Melissa Talivia Odum (~~1720 to unknown~~) ~~- >~~ Mary Brigman (~~1755 to 1822~~) ~~- >~~ Druscilla Dearman (~~1778 to 1870~~) ~~- >~~ Curtis Teer (~~1807 to 1886~~) ~~- >~~ [[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (~~1837 to 1919~~) ~~- >~~ Mary Frances Teer (~~1873 to 1914~~) ~~- >~~ Jean Hollomon (~~1906 to 1945~~) ~~- >~~ [[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (~~1927 to 2011~~) ~~- >~~ [[Christian Weston Chandler]] (~~1982 - present~~)		*Polly Cherokee (1703–1790)
			**Melissa Talivia Odum (1720–unknown)
			***Mary Brigman (1755–1822)
			****Druscilla Dearman (1778–1870)
			*****Curtis Teer (1807–1886)
			******[[Chandler Family Tree#William Teer\|William Teer]] (1837–1919)
			*******Mary Frances Teer (1873–1914)
			********[[Jean Hollomon]] (1906–1945)
			*********[[Robert Franklin Chandler]] Jr (1927–2011)
			**********[[Christian Weston Chandler]] (1982–present)

	This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a ~~23andme~~ test.<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref>		This means that Chris is 1/512 Cherokee, or 0.2%. This aligns with the 0.2% Siberian DNA that registered in a [[CWC Ancestry\|23andMe]] test (Siberian peoples and Native Americans are closely related genetically).<ref>[[:File:2023ChrisDNATest.png]]</ref> Chris could register as a Cherokee as a documented descendant of a Cherokee – there is no blood quantum requirement.<ref>https://www.doi.gov/tribes/cherokee</ref>

	==See also==		==See also==

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 Chris's Cherokee ancestor was introduced in ''[[Sonichu 2|Sonichu #2]]'', which was completed on 3 May 2005. The ancestor was long assumed to be nonexistent, but on 16 January 2025 - 19 years and 8 months later - the ancestor was discovered to be real by CWCki editor [[User:Cilria2|Cilria2]]. '''Polly "Cherokee Mother" Cherokee'''  (abt 1703 to 1790) is Chris's 7th great-grandmother.
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 tl;dr: Chris probably doesn't know what "reincarnation" means.
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