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4CentUser: /* Listing anniversaries and yearly events on chronological pages */ new section

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	:I know I'm contributing hella late, and that I've been gone a hella long time, but the simplest solution is to use she/her/Christine for events that take place after she came out and use he/his/Christian for prior events. The CWC article reflect this easily. [[User:Dude\|Dude]] ([[User talk:Dude\|talk]]) 01:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)		:I know I'm contributing hella late, and that I've been gone a hella long time, but the simplest solution is to use she/her/Christine for events that take place after she came out and use he/his/Christian for prior events. The CWC article reflect this easily. [[User:Dude\|Dude]] ([[User talk:Dude\|talk]]) 01:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

			== Listing anniversaries and yearly events on chronological pages ==

			On chronological pages like [[November 2021]], there's always space dedicated to stuff like "The 14-year anniversary of Chris's Encyclopedia Dramatica page," "The 15-year anniversary of the original life upgrade," or listing random holidays. I don't really see why this needs to be here, given Chris never mentions it and it holds no bearing on the actual events of Christory in the time period. If Chris mentions something, or if it affects him, I can see adding the info, but most of it just wastes space, and I see no reason to keep them around. Thoughts? --[[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 16:51, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

Dude: /* Further update */

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Further update

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	I was sorta holding out to see if anything happened, but I've been really bad at keeping track of this. I have no idea how reputable this is, but at least according to someone on Kiwi Farms, they [https://kiwifar.ms/threads/sept-2014-chris-answers-name-change-and-pronoun-questions.9012/ contacted Chris] who indicated that he doesn't mind being referred to as either pronoun though he has a slight preference for being referred to as a woman. I'm not sure if anyone has been referring to him as a woman, I can't imagine too many new pages being made. It looks like the main [[Chris]] article mentions it in passing. I have no idea what the protocol is on this, I guess we might as well be status quo if Chris doesn't have a strong preference to be referred to by one gender exclusively. I don't know if this is even accurate but it could be plausible. In any case, we should maybe just see about asking Chris in the future when it comes to things like this. --[[User:Champthom\|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom\|talk]]) 06:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)		I was sorta holding out to see if anything happened, but I've been really bad at keeping track of this. I have no idea how reputable this is, but at least according to someone on Kiwi Farms, they [https://kiwifar.ms/threads/sept-2014-chris-answers-name-change-and-pronoun-questions.9012/ contacted Chris] who indicated that he doesn't mind being referred to as either pronoun though he has a slight preference for being referred to as a woman. I'm not sure if anyone has been referring to him as a woman, I can't imagine too many new pages being made. It looks like the main [[Chris]] article mentions it in passing. I have no idea what the protocol is on this, I guess we might as well be status quo if Chris doesn't have a strong preference to be referred to by one gender exclusively. I don't know if this is even accurate but it could be plausible. In any case, we should maybe just see about asking Chris in the future when it comes to things like this. --[[User:Champthom\|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom\|talk]]) 06:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

			:I know I'm contributing hella late, and that I've been gone a hella long time, but the simplest solution is to use she/her/Christine for events that take place after she came out and use he/his/Christian for prior events. The CWC article reflect this easily. [[User:Dude\|Dude]] ([[User talk:Dude\|talk]]) 01:25, 7 October 2015 (UTC)

Champthom: /* Update */

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	Well, I think it's gotten to the point where Chris is quite serious about his new identity, i.e. almost always referring to himself as 'Christine', now. I'm still a bit skeptic as to whether he's being very [[Honest Content\|honest]] about being a trans-woman, but nonetheless it's only polite we refer to Chris using feminine pronouns (and as Christine, when using her full name) for any new or ongoing articles. And, of course, the disclaimer, as previously mentioned, addressing that fact. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 00:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)		Well, I think it's gotten to the point where Chris is quite serious about his new identity, i.e. almost always referring to himself as 'Christine', now. I'm still a bit skeptic as to whether he's being very [[Honest Content\|honest]] about being a trans-woman, but nonetheless it's only polite we refer to Chris using feminine pronouns (and as Christine, when using her full name) for any new or ongoing articles. And, of course, the disclaimer, as previously mentioned, addressing that fact. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 00:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

			====Further update====
			I was sorta holding out to see if anything happened, but I've been really bad at keeping track of this. I have no idea how reputable this is, but at least according to someone on Kiwi Farms, they [https://kiwifar.ms/threads/sept-2014-chris-answers-name-change-and-pronoun-questions.9012/ contacted Chris] who indicated that he doesn't mind being referred to as either pronoun though he has a slight preference for being referred to as a woman. I'm not sure if anyone has been referring to him as a woman, I can't imagine too many new pages being made. It looks like the main [[Chris]] article mentions it in passing. I have no idea what the protocol is on this, I guess we might as well be status quo if Chris doesn't have a strong preference to be referred to by one gender exclusively. I don't know if this is even accurate but it could be plausible. In any case, we should maybe just see about asking Chris in the future when it comes to things like this. --[[User:Champthom\|Champthom]] ([[User talk:Champthom\|talk]]) 06:32, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Boomhauer: Well, that was a bit hypocritical of me.

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Well, that was a bit hypocritical of me.

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	[[User:Champthom\|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]], for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)		[[User:Champthom\|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]], for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

	Well, I think it's gotten to the point where Chris is quite serious about his new identity, i.e. almost always referring to himself as 'Christine', now. I'm still a bit skeptic as to whether he's being very [[Honest Content\|honest]] about being a trans-woman, but nonetheless it's only polite we refer to Chris using feminine pronouns (and as Christine, when using ~~his~~ full name) for any new or ongoing articles. And, of course, the disclaimer, as previously mentioned, addressing that fact. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 00:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)		Well, I think it's gotten to the point where Chris is quite serious about his new identity, i.e. almost always referring to himself as 'Christine', now. I'm still a bit skeptic as to whether he's being very [[Honest Content\|honest]] about being a trans-woman, but nonetheless it's only polite we refer to Chris using feminine pronouns (and as Christine, when using her full name) for any new or ongoing articles. And, of course, the disclaimer, as previously mentioned, addressing that fact. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 00:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

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	[[User:Champthom\|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]], for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)		[[User:Champthom\|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]], for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

			Well, I think it's gotten to the point where Chris is quite serious about his new identity, i.e. almost always referring to himself as 'Christine', now. I'm still a bit skeptic as to whether he's being very [[Honest Content\|honest]] about being a trans-woman, but nonetheless it's only polite we refer to Chris using feminine pronouns (and as Christine, when using his full name) for any new or ongoing articles. And, of course, the disclaimer, as previously mentioned, addressing that fact. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 00:34, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Holdek: /* Update */

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	*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

	[[User:Champthom\|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)		[[User:Champthom\|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]], for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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	*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

	[[User:Champthom]] any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer]] for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)		[[User:Champthom\|Champ]], any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Holdek: /* Update */ Checking in

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	*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

			[[User:Champthom]] any ruling on this? ([[User:Boomhauer]] for what it's worth, Chris made a pouty face when his lawyer and the court clerk referred to him as Barb's "son" and as a "male," respectively.) --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 03:54, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Holdek: /* Update */

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	::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

	:::::~~Worst case scenario~~, he's not going to spend most of the year in prison. --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 07:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)		:::::Realistically, he's not going to spend most of the year in prison. --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 07:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

	*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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	::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

			:::::Worst case scenario, he's not going to spend most of the year in prison. --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 07:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

	*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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	::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

	:::::~~Worst case scenario~~, he's not going to spend most of the year in prison. --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 07:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)		:::::Realistically, he's not going to spend most of the year in prison. --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 07:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

	*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

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	::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		::::Well, this is a specific event that will decide whether Chris spends most of the year in prison. There's no harm in waiting half a month. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 11:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

			:::::Worst case scenario, he's not going to spend most of the year in prison. --[[User:Holdek\|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek\|talk]]) 07:09, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

	*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)		*Chris' new gender seems to have been a long time coming, but the change is still relatively recent, and I remain agnostic as to whether it will be permanent. I would rather just wait a few months, maybe up to a year, before deciding on the CWCki policy, but that would inevitably cause confusion and edit wars. For now, I would favor option 2.<br>That said, if we do decide to go through the trouble of option 1 (changing all Chris' pronouns), would it be a good idea to replace them with templates? For example, "his" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-possessive}}</nowiki>, "himself" becomes <nowiki>{{CWC-reflexive}}</nowiki>, etc. That way, if Chris changes gender again in the future, we would simply change the templates' content, and it would be globally reflected. Downsides are that: a) it would be cumbersome and unnatural for both retroactive and future edits, b) getting all editors to use the templates would be difficult, and c) it could be extra work with no payoff if the new gender is indeed permanent.<br>For pre-existing content where Chris' original gender is directly relevant, we could use a heading template that says something brief about how Chris now identifies as female, but was male-identified during the events in the article, and have the heading link to a more detailed explanation and/or the relevant CWCki policy. This is probably a good idea regardless of whether or not we change any pronouns retroactively. This would be in combination with a more general disclaimer at the main page as Alan mentioned. -[[User:CWCTime\|CWCTime]] ([[User talk:CWCTime\|talk]]) 14:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)