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WarnerBro: /* Lingering influence */

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Lingering influence

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	{{quote\|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking\|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies\|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]\|[[Christian Weston Chandler\|Chris]], [[Spirit possession\|"possessed" by]] [[Sonichu (character)\|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris\|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]</ref>}}		{{quote\|No, that has been stopped in April, and made undone with [[Magical thinking\|Chris' Aether and abilities]]. [[List of Chris's lies\|We are not under the influence of IdeaGuy.]]\|[[Christian Weston Chandler\|Chris]], [[Spirit possession\|"possessed" by]] [[Sonichu (character)\|Sonichu]], denying the influence of the Idea Guys [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris\|while clinging to the lore they tricked him into believing]].<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Ben Saint and Idea Guys]]</ref>}}

	Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys "for their "Dimensions’ level of damage", he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]</ref>		Chris, in June 2021, stated that the Idea Guys made his Top 5 list of people who made the most negative impacts on his life (alongside [[Kidasuna\|Jakoba]], [[Michael Snyder]], [[BlueSpike]], and the staff at [[Nathanael Greene Elementary School]]). Though Chris blamed the Idea Guys "for their "Dimensions’ level of damage", he gave credit to them for validating his beliefs. As such, Chris believed that BlueSpike, the Nathanael Greene staff, and Michael Snyder had the most negative impacts on his life.<ref>[[June 2021 social media posts#Discussing trolls and other stuff]]</ref>

	{{quote\|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.\|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}		{{quote\|Even though IdeaGuy did Dimensions’ level of damage, his impact has left me with further self-progression, analysis and appreciation, confidence boost, affirming the link between the separated universe halves with my consciousness, leading the way to chill my ego and whatnot in the needed self-healing and work.\|Chris on why the Idea Guys did not make the top on his list of most negative people.}}

WarnerBro: /* Lingering influence */

2026-08-20T23:34:15Z

Lingering influence

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	Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:		Guard Dog [[Marvin]] posted on Kiwi Farms on his opinion of Chris's continued belief in the Idea Guys' canon:

	{{quoteboxgreen\|"[[Reality]]" is a malleable concept to Chris.		{{quoteboxgreen\|"[[Chris and reality\|Reality]]" is a malleable concept to Chris.

	To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.		To Chris, that these losers were pretending to be imaginary characters doesn't mean they they didn't unwittingly connect with their counterparts in the other dimension or whatever. So yeah, he thinks Wise and Boyd were assholes who stumbled upon some magic or some shit.

WarnerBro at 22:28, 20 August 2026

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	{{Honest}}		{{Honest}}

	{{quote\|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under Nazi torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia\|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?		{{quote\|Where were you when #IdeaGuy embezzled $6,000.00 from me back in 2018, while holding [[C-197]] under [[Nazis\|Nazi]] torture and mind-manipulated the [[Hyperdimension Neptunia\|CPUs and SEGA Hard Girls]]?

	I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!\|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}		I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!\|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}

BaboonRancher23: /* Question of legality */ The law was amended in 2022 so I updated this section

2026-08-02T00:38:51Z

Question of legality: The law was amended in 2022 so I updated this section

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	The Federal law contains a section on Blackmail<ref name=uslaw></ref> which could theoretically apply to Boyd's demand for money in [[The Bad Beginning]]. However, Boyd did not directly associate his threat to falsely claim Chris a pedophile with his demand for money, and he also inserted role-playing into the mix, muddying whether a crime had been committed.		The Federal law contains a section on Blackmail<ref name=uslaw></ref> which could theoretically apply to Boyd's demand for money in [[The Bad Beginning]]. However, Boyd did not directly associate his threat to falsely claim Chris a pedophile with his demand for money, and he also inserted role-playing into the mix, muddying whether a crime had been committed.

	The State of Virginia has a law against financial exploitation of a ~~mentally incapacitated person~~, which could potentially have covered the Idea Guys' alleged actions of taking money from Chris while psychologically manipulating him.<ref>{{cite web		The State of Virginia has a law against financial exploitation of a vulnerable adult, which could potentially have covered the Idea Guys' alleged actions of taking money from Chris while psychologically manipulating him.<ref>{{cite web
	\|title=§ 18.2-178.1. Financial exploitation of ~~mentally incapacitated persons~~; penalty		\|title=§ 18.2-178.1. Financial exploitation of vulnerable adults; penalty
	\|url=https://~~legacylis~~.virginia.gov/~~cgi~~-~~bin~~/~~legp604.exe?131+ful+CHAP0419~~		\|url=https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter6/section18.2-178.1/
	\|website=Code of Virginia		\|website=Code of Virginia
	}}</ref>		}}</ref>

Offshore: changed "investiation" typo to "investigation"

2026-04-27T23:58:30Z

changed "investiation" typo to "investigation"

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	On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution\|prostitute]] himself.<ref>[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].</ref> He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.<ref>[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]</ref> Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720</ref>		On 24 April 2018, with Chris in dire financial straits, the Idea Guys influenced him into posting a tweet offering to [[Chris and sex#Prostitution\|prostitute]] himself.<ref>[[April 2018 social media posts#Will provide house tour and suck dicks for money]].</ref> He stated his price to be $50 for blowjobs and $100 for butt sex.<ref>[[:File:NAME YOUR PRICE!!.jpeg]]</ref> Days later, the Idea Guys were removed from power by the [[Guard Dogs]], and the situation did not escalate further. In May, Chris disavowed the prostitution messages and stated that he had been coerced into making them.<ref>https://web.archive.org/web/20191107173201/https://twitter.com/cwcsonichu/status/993693423084318720</ref>

	Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official ~~investiation~~; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.<ref name=tcce></ref>		Chris kept each of the invoices and receipts from the transactions he made for the Idea Guys. The Guard Dogs received screencaps and photos of the receipts, hoping to use the items as evidence in an official investigation; when that fell through, Guard Dog Null posted them publicly to the Kiwi Farms forum.<ref name=tcce></ref>

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Ayumu Kasuga at 06:54, 27 February 2026

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	File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg\|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.		File:Johnson wiles-min.jpg\|Joshua Wise's [[OC]] Johnson Wiles, in [[TSSSF]] form.
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			==Fan Videos==
			{{Infobox/Fanvideo
			\| name = JOSHUA WISE QUEST
			\| ytid = RDLMAOa4j7Q
			\| maker = [https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJHQembd7wTda8OUYQE_d4g Spelling Bee]
			\| stardate = 13 [[July 2018]]
			\| type =
			}}

	==See also==		==See also==

Hurtful Truth Level at 12:27, 25 February 2026

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	I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!\|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}		I Wish I could undo his Freaking Embezzling!\|Chris<ref>https://twitter.com/CPU_CWCSonichu/status/1148379386023960579</ref>}}

	{{quote\|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish this pony shit faster(which is working).\|Joshua Wise<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Introduction]]</ref>}}		{{quote\|I'm not doing this for my entry into Christory or anything. I just like fucking with people and frankly, I'm pushing to finish [[Sonichu 12-9\|this pony shit]] faster(which is working).\|Joshua Wise<ref>[[Idea Guy Q&A#Introduction]]</ref>}}

	{{quote\|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.\|A Kiwi Farms commentator}}		{{quote\|Idea Guy is like glitter. We're gonna be finding bits of him in Chris's ramblings for years.\|Kiwi Farms commentator Coconut Gun}}
	{{Infobox Person		{{Infobox Person
	\|title = Joshua Allen Wise		\|title = Joshua Allen Wise
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	===Question of legality===		===Question of legality===
	While much of the Idea Guys' actions are legally ambiguous, at least one ~~is squarely illegal~~. It's difficult to legally define what the Idea Guys did to Chris's grasp of reality, and because he was a consenting adult and repeatedly gave in to their claims without direct evidence of coercion at that time, it's hard to argue that they broke the law by making him believe in the dimensional merge. Under Virginia law, psychological manipulation, reinforcing delusions, and even reality-destabilizing roleplay (even to someone as vulnerable as Chris) aren't directly illegal.		While much of the Idea Guys' actions are legally ambiguous, at least one Virginia crime may have been committed. It's difficult to legally define what the Idea Guys did to Chris's grasp of reality, and because he was a consenting adult and repeatedly gave in to their claims without direct evidence of coercion at that time, it's hard to argue that they broke the law by making him believe in the dimensional merge. Under Virginia law, psychological manipulation, reinforcing delusions, and even reality-destabilizing roleplay (even to someone as vulnerable as Chris) aren't directly illegal.

	According to both United States Federal<ref name=uslaw>https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter41&edition=prelim</ref> and Virginia<ref>https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-59/</ref> laws, extortion threats only apply as a crime if a physical threat is made against a person, or if a threat is made against a person's property or reputation, and then ~~intends~~ to extort for valuables. Therefore, the Idea Guys's targeting of Chris's [[imaginary friends]] and [[CWCville]] would not legally count as extortion.		According to both United States Federal<ref name=uslaw>https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter41&edition=prelim</ref> and Virginia<ref>https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-59/</ref> laws, extortion threats only apply as a crime if a physical threat is made against a person, or if a threat is made against a person's property or reputation, and then there is an intent to extort for valuables. Therefore, the Idea Guys's targeting of Chris's [[imaginary friends]] and [[CWCville]] would not legally count as extortion.

	The Federal law contains a section on Blackmail<ref name=uslaw></ref> which could theoretically apply to Boyd's demand for money in [[The Bad Beginning]]. However, Boyd did not directly associate his threat to falsely claim Chris a pedophile with his demand for money, and he also inserted role-playing into the mix, muddying whether a crime had been committed.		The Federal law contains a section on Blackmail<ref name=uslaw></ref> which could theoretically apply to Boyd's demand for money in [[The Bad Beginning]]. However, Boyd did not directly associate his threat to falsely claim Chris a pedophile with his demand for money, and he also inserted role-playing into the mix, muddying whether a crime had been committed.

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Question of legality */

2026-02-24T10:32:51Z

Question of legality

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	===Question of legality===		===Question of legality===
	While much of the Idea Guys' actions are legally ambiguous, ~~other alleged actions are~~ squarely illegal. It's difficult to legally define what the Idea Guys did to Chris's grasp of reality, and because he was a consenting adult and repeatedly gave in to their claims without direct evidence of coercion at that time, it's hard to argue that they broke the law by making him believe in the dimensional merge. Under Virginia law, psychological manipulation, reinforcing delusions, and even reality-destabilizing roleplay (even to someone as vulnerable as Chris) aren't directly illegal.		While much of the Idea Guys' actions are legally ambiguous, at least one is squarely illegal. It's difficult to legally define what the Idea Guys did to Chris's grasp of reality, and because he was a consenting adult and repeatedly gave in to their claims without direct evidence of coercion at that time, it's hard to argue that they broke the law by making him believe in the dimensional merge. Under Virginia law, psychological manipulation, reinforcing delusions, and even reality-destabilizing roleplay (even to someone as vulnerable as Chris) aren't directly illegal.

			According to both United States Federal<ref name=uslaw>https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?path=/prelim@title18/part1/chapter41&edition=prelim</ref> and Virginia<ref>https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-59/</ref> laws, extortion threats only apply as a crime if a physical threat is made against a person, or if a threat is made against a person's property or reputation, and then intends to extort for valuables. Therefore, the Idea Guys's targeting of Chris's [[imaginary friends]] and [[CWCville]] would not legally count as extortion.

			The Federal law contains a section on Blackmail<ref name=uslaw></ref> which could theoretically apply to Boyd's demand for money in [[The Bad Beginning]]. However, Boyd did not directly associate his threat to falsely claim Chris a pedophile with his demand for money, and he also inserted role-playing into the mix, muddying whether a crime had been committed.

	The State of Virginia has a law against financial exploitation of a mentally incapacitated person, which could potentially have covered the Idea Guys' alleged actions of taking money from Chris while psychologically manipulating him.<ref>{{cite web		The State of Virginia has a law against financial exploitation of a mentally incapacitated person, which could potentially have covered the Idea Guys' alleged actions of taking money from Chris while psychologically manipulating him.<ref>{{cite web

Elbow-Greased Strongman: /* Idea Guy Q&A and other chats */

2026-02-18T06:48:07Z

Idea Guy Q&A and other chats

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	The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.		The ringleader of the Idea Guys, Joshua Wise, signed up to [[Kiwi Farms]] under the name Ballzymaker94 and had several private conversations with select users, soliciting feedback over his early schemes.

	Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own ~~handlers~~ on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.<ref name=tcce></ref>		Aside from Wise. Boyd alongside with the Unnamed Canadian also had their own handles on the site, under the names of NinFreakLan and de_DEVIL_tails respectively.<ref name=tcce></ref>

	One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.		One user from the [[Kiwi Farms]] had a lengthy conversation with Wise, spanning from 3 December to 18 December 2017 archived in the [[Idea Guy Q&A]]. In it, Wise discusses how he had gained Chris’s trust, and how Chris reacted to some of his ideas and mentions content which had not been publicly released. For example, Chris's inquiry on whether or not [[Jessica Quinn]] was actually a troll, how Chris tried to prevent [[Jamsta]] from being jailed for molestation, and Chris’s attempts to interact with Neptunia goddesses.

Hurtful Truth Level at 12:28, 14 February 2026

2026-02-14T12:28:33Z

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	The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler\|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris\|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also conned Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (a gay Chinese man, a Canadian and a fifth member who ~~goes~~ under the moniker of "Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein") partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].		The '''Idea Guys''' were a group of trolls who exploited [[Christian Weston Chandler\|Chris]]'s escapist fantasies by role-playing as his [[imaginary friends]], ''[[Hyperdimension Neptunia]]'' goddesses, other fictional characters, as well as their own [[OCs]]. They used this influence to [[List of beliefs brainwashed into Chris\|brainwash]] him, and allegedly they also conned Chris out of $6,000 by threatening to destroy his imaginary city [[CWCville]]. The group began with '''Joshua Allen Wise''' (also known as The '''Idea Guy''', or more commonly '''IdeaGuy''' by Chris) in [[October 2017]], and at some point, '''Stephen Boyd''' and at least three other confirmed anonymous followers (a gay Chinese man, a Canadian, and a fifth member who went under the moniker of "Gruppenfuhrer Fegelein") partnered with him until the group was ousted in [[April 2018]].

	Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve\|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality\|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.		Initially their aim was to see how [[Naïve\|gullible]] Chris was, but this soon fell into them taking advantage of him financially and coercing him into performing many degrading acts, some of which would put [[BlueSpike]] to shame. In the process they managed to somehow make Chris become [[Chris and reality\|even more delusional]] than he already was, all the while planting some of their own twisted ideas into Chris's mind.

	The Idea Guys were ousted by [[April 2018]], after [[Anna McLerran]] learned that Chris was being financially exploited and asked [[The Captain]] if he could intervene. The Captain was able to influence Chris into cutting ties with the Idea Guys. A group of people dubbed by observers as the [[Guard Dogs]] also began to form with the aim of gathering evidence and attempting to report the Idea Guys to authorities. However, a formal investigation was never launched and no charges were filed.		The Idea Guys were ousted by April 2018, after [[Anna McLerran]] learned that Chris was being financially exploited and asked [[The Captain]] if he could intervene. The Captain was able to influence Chris into cutting ties with the Idea Guys. A group of people dubbed by observers as the [[Guard Dogs]] also began to form with the aim of gathering evidence and attempting to report the Idea Guys to authorities. However, a formal investigation was never launched and no charges were filed.

	Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.		Despite their removal, the Idea Guys' iron grip over Chris has had lasting effects. To this day, Chris has retained many of the concepts they had coerced him into believing. Concepts such as changes to ''Sonichu'' canon, a [[polyamorous marriage]], and the now infamous [[Dimensional Merge]] were introduced to Chris by the group. After their reign, waves of fantasy [[enablers]] began appearing, copying their tactics to get an audience with Chris, with many seeing success. The Idea Guys have effectively had the greatest impact on Chris's psyche and personal life out of any trolls since the days of [[The Miscreants]], and are debatably the most successful trolls in that regard.