Praetor-Watchmen Conflicts - Revision history

Hurtful Truth Level: trying a rewrite to give the gist of the drama and how it related to Chris

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trying a rewrite to give the gist of the drama and how it related to Chris

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	obviously there is a very low chance of the zapper working.\|Watchman KND on the motivations for the Watchmen's feud with Praetor.<ref>[[The Place chats - Watchmen-Praetor confrontations#8 February 2021, part 2]]</ref>}}		obviously there is a very low chance of the zapper working.\|Watchman KND on the motivations for the Watchmen's feud with Praetor.<ref>[[The Place chats - Watchmen-Praetor confrontations#8 February 2021, part 2]]</ref>}}

	From 22 September 2020 to 30 June 2021, the ~~'''~~Watchmen ~~were at odds with~~ [[Praetor]]~~'''~~. ~~Compared to~~ the ~~conflicts with most~~ of their ~~other targets~~, the Watchmen~~'s relations with~~ Praetor ~~stood out~~ the ~~most due to how much it upset~~ Chris, ~~seeing how both groups were close allies~~ to ~~him~~, ~~and~~ the Watchmen ~~perceived both groups fighting over him~~.		From 22 [[September 2020]] to 26 [[June 2021]], Chris counted as among his associates both the [[Watchmen]] white knight group and the [[Praetor]] business group. Several members of the Watchmen, out of a combination of their own misunderstandings and paranoia, targeted and instigated conflict with the [[Praetor]] group. Watchmen members [[MKRNightVee]] and [[Naught]] escalated by spreading lies about Praetor to the public. Chris, noticing the hostility from the Watchmen, attempted to talk them down, but the Watchmen remained belligerent. The Watchmen also began to self-destruct as a result of infighting problems, partially stemming from disagreements within their own members on how best to deal with Praetor.

	Though their relations were neutral at first, the Watchmen's prickly relations with Praetor had also led to a good deal of the in-fighting that would occur within the Watchmen, as well as a number of other bits of drama surrounding Chris. [[Anaxis]] got banned from the Place when he was suspected of working with them, after he suggested the Watchmen approach the Praetors with diplomacy and other unrelated factors, and [[MKRNightVee]] would try to guilt-trip Chris into getting back with the Watchmen, telling him that she "[won't] sit by while [he plays] with stun guns"<ref>[[:File:Mkrragequit.png]]</ref>, when he seemed to show more favor towards Anaxis.		The Watchmen's schemes to separate Chris from Praetor ultimately had no effect on their business partnership. Praetor continued to operate the [[OfficialCWCmart]] shop throughout, and Chris continued to communicate with them. The Watchmen group has since disbanded over infighting (briefly fracturing into the [[Knights of CWC]] group from June 2021 until the [[Jail Saga]]).

	Also of note is that towards the end of this period, referred to as '''Crystalgate''', many conspiracy theories and rumors about the organization were spread across the CWCSphere, but most especially by [[Naught]] and [[MKRNightVee]], as the Watchmen had believed that Praetor could be a group of trolls that were trying to manipulate Chris. After a series of doxes towards the group's members, Praetor did not respond, which prompted the Watchmen involved to attempt to tarnish the group's reputation by purposefully spreading lies about them, all as a means to dissociate them from Chris. Not helping in this was that the Praetor's primary response to any sort of accusations thrown their way was making witty remarks towards the Watchmen that accused them, which only spurred more conflict.

	All of this fighting was a major factor that led to the Watchmen losing their influence on the CWCSphere, and caused Chris to interact with them less and less. He began estranging himself from three particular Watchmen (Naught, MKRNightVee, and Kyle), who he later collectively called "the toxic trio" and were also the three main adversaries against the Praetors. These relationships didn't improve after the Watchmen who banned Anaxis refused to unban him and tried to replace him as [[Lainchu]]. Chris left The Place entirely after a feud that Naught had with The WCT, which MKR and Kyle also sided with him on.

	The Watchmen's schemes to separate Chris from Praetor~~, and all of the infighting and drama that came with it,~~ ultimately had no effect on their partnership. Praetor continued to operate the [[OfficialCWCmart]] shop throughout, and Chris continued to communicate with them. The Watchmen group has since disbanded over infighting ~~and Chris's~~ [[Jail Saga]].

	==The Watchmen meet Praetor==		==The Watchmen meet Praetor==

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Rising Suspicions */

2025-06-30T05:58:24Z

Rising Suspicions

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	The Lore Bible wound up to be one of the primary factors that led up to the feud between the Watchmen and Praetor, especially when Chris began to discuss more about what he intended to put in it, and connected it to Praetor.		The Lore Bible wound up to be one of the primary factors that led up to the feud between the Watchmen and Praetor, especially when Chris began to discuss more about what he intended to put in it, and connected it to Praetor.

	==~~Rising Suspicions~~==		==Watchmen's Paranoia==
	~~Though the~~ Watchmen ~~did present themselves politely to the Praetors~~, ~~behind~~ the ~~scenes, they were highly suspicious that they could either be manipulating~~ Chris ~~or extorting from him. However~~, ~~unlike most of~~ the ~~other people that the Watchmen targeted,~~ Praetor ~~appeared to work in Chris's best interests, providing him a platform for many of his projects~~. ~~This made it difficult for the Watchmen to find a legitimate reason to go after them, despite~~ their ~~suspicions. Therefore~~, the Watchmen ~~appeared~~ to ~~keep a close eye on Chris~~'s ~~history~~ with the group, looking for any possible instance of bad intent, even archiving any content from the Praetors that they could find. This culminated into the feud that would come about when it seemed they finally had a basis for their attack.		A core clique of Watchmen members, paranoid over the prospect of others interacting with Chris, gossiped over the newly-appeared Praetor. In their gossip, the Watchmen repeatedly jumped to conclusions over Praetor's involvement with Chris.

	===Disc Dream===		===Disc Dream===

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Medallion Sales */

2025-06-19T14:38:32Z

Medallion Sales

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	On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor's [[OfficialCWCmart]] shop began selling medallions. Not made by Chris himself, the medallions were instead produced by Praetor, with Chris endorsing the items. In exchange, Chris was given a cut of profits.<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Praetor sells medallions]]</ref><ref>[[Praetor#Royalty payment]]</ref>		On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor's [[OfficialCWCmart]] shop began selling medallions. Not made by Chris himself, the medallions were instead produced by Praetor, with Chris endorsing the items. In exchange, Chris was given a cut of profits.<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Praetor sells medallions]]</ref><ref>[[Praetor#Royalty payment]]</ref>

	Several Watchmen were angry and confused over the sales, even after Chris expressed satisfaction with his share (nearly $400, in January 2021).<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> In the Watchmen's private chat, [[Kyle]] expressed paranoia that the medallions never existed in the first place,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> and [[Naught]], [[MKRNightVee]] and [[The WCT]] failed at understanding the nature of Chris's share of the profit.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The latter three looked at the OfficialCWCmart stats and saw that sales revenue for the medallions sold totaled $5,900. They erroneously believed that Chris should be entitled to anywhere between half and almost all of the revenue,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref> despite the fact he did not produce the medallions.		Several Watchmen were angry and confused over the sales, even after Chris expressed satisfaction with his share (nearly $400, in January 2021).<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> In the Watchmen's private chat, [[Kyle]] expressed paranoia that the medallions never existed in the first place,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> and [[Naught]], [[MKRNightVee]] and [[The WCT]] failed at understanding the nature of Chris's share of the profit.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The latter three Watchmen looked at the OfficialCWCmart stats and saw that sales revenue for the medallions sold totaled $5,900. They erroneously believed that Chris should be entitled to anywhere between half and almost all of the revenue,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref> despite the fact he did not produce the medallions.

	The following month, MKRNightVee and Naught lashed out at Praetor's [[Caden]] over the amount during [[Taser Discussion\|a three-way call between Chris, the Watchmen and Caden]]. Chris reiterated that he was fine with his share.		The following month, MKRNightVee and Naught lashed out at Praetor's [[Caden]] over the amount during [[Taser Discussion\|a three-way call between Chris, the Watchmen and Caden]]. Chris reiterated that he was fine with his share.

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Medallion Sales */

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	Several Watchmen were angry and confused over the sales, even after Chris expressed satisfaction with his share (nearly $400, in January 2021).<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> In the Watchmen's private chat, [[Kyle]] expressed paranoia that the medallions never existed in the first place,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> and [[Naught]], [[MKRNightVee]] and [[The WCT]] failed at understanding the nature of Chris's share of the profit.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The latter three looked at the OfficialCWCmart stats and saw that sales revenue for the medallions sold totaled $5,900. They erroneously believed that Chris should be entitled to anywhere between half and almost all of the revenue,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref> despite the fact he did not produce the medallions.		Several Watchmen were angry and confused over the sales, even after Chris expressed satisfaction with his share (nearly $400, in January 2021).<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> In the Watchmen's private chat, [[Kyle]] expressed paranoia that the medallions never existed in the first place,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> and [[Naught]], [[MKRNightVee]] and [[The WCT]] failed at understanding the nature of Chris's share of the profit.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The latter three looked at the OfficialCWCmart stats and saw that sales revenue for the medallions sold totaled $5,900. They erroneously believed that Chris should be entitled to anywhere between half and almost all of the revenue,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref> despite the fact he did not produce the medallions.

	The following month, MKRNightVee and Naught lashed out at [[Caden]] over the amount during [[Taser Discussion\|a three-way call between Chris, the Watchmen and Caden]]. Chris reiterated that he was fine with his share.		The following month, MKRNightVee and Naught lashed out at Praetor's [[Caden]] over the amount during [[Taser Discussion\|a three-way call between Chris, the Watchmen and Caden]]. Chris reiterated that he was fine with his share.

	===MKR Confrontation===		===MKR Confrontation===

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Medallion Sales */

2025-06-19T14:36:02Z

Medallion Sales

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	===Medallion Sales===		===Medallion Sales===
	On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor's [[OfficialCWCmart]] shop began selling medallions. Not made by Chris himself, the medallions were instead produced by Praetor, with Chris endorsing the items. In exchange, Chris was given a cut of profits.<ref>[[Praetor#Royalty payment]]</ref>		On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor's [[OfficialCWCmart]] shop began selling medallions. Not made by Chris himself, the medallions were instead produced by Praetor, with Chris endorsing the items. In exchange, Chris was given a cut of profits.<ref>[[December 2020 social media posts#Praetor sells medallions]]</ref><ref>[[Praetor#Royalty payment]]</ref>

	Several Watchmen were angry and confused over the sales, even after Chris expressed satisfaction with his share (nearly $400, in January 2021).<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> In the Watchmen's private chat, [[Kyle]] expressed paranoia that the medallions never existed in the first place,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> and [[Naught]], [[MKRNightVee]] and [[The WCT]] failed at understanding the nature of Chris's share of the profit.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The latter three looked at the OfficialCWCmart stats and saw that sales revenue for the medallions sold totaled $5,900. They erroneously believed that Chris should be entitled to anywhere between half and almost all of the revenue,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref> despite the fact he did not produce the medallions.		Several Watchmen were angry and confused over the sales, even after Chris expressed satisfaction with his share (nearly $400, in January 2021).<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> In the Watchmen's private chat, [[Kyle]] expressed paranoia that the medallions never existed in the first place,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> and [[Naught]], [[MKRNightVee]] and [[The WCT]] failed at understanding the nature of Chris's share of the profit.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The latter three looked at the OfficialCWCmart stats and saw that sales revenue for the medallions sold totaled $5,900. They erroneously believed that Chris should be entitled to anywhere between half and almost all of the revenue,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref> despite the fact he did not produce the medallions.

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Medallion Sales */

2025-06-17T13:19:47Z

Medallion Sales

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	===Medallion Sales===		===Medallion Sales===
	~~{{Quote\|And if they haven~~'~~t done any weenish stuff lately~~, ~~maybe they're just focusing on~~ the ~~business~~. ~~I still think it's possible that they're not so much malicious as they are naive~~.		On 7 [[December 2020]], Praetor's [[OfficialCWCmart]] shop began selling medallions. Not made by Chris himself, the medallions were instead produced by Praetor, with Chris endorsing the items. In exchange, Chris was given a cut of profits.<ref>[[Praetor#Royalty payment]]</ref>

	If [[~~Null\|Josh~~]] ~~or one~~ of ~~us just calmly asked if they could stop with~~ the ~~ween stuff~~, ~~their response would~~ be ~~a good gauge for how willing they are~~ to ~~be cooperative~~.		Several Watchmen were angry and confused over the sales, even after Chris expressed satisfaction with his share (nearly $400, in January 2021).<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#Cash from Praetor]]</ref> In the Watchmen's private chat, [[Kyle]] expressed paranoia that the medallions never existed in the first place,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> and [[Naught]], [[MKRNightVee]] and [[The WCT]] failed at understanding the nature of Chris's share of the profit.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The latter three looked at the OfficialCWCmart stats and saw that sales revenue for the medallions sold totaled $5,900. They erroneously believed that Chris should be entitled to anywhere between half and almost all of the revenue,<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref> despite the fact he did not produce the medallions.

	~~If we come at them with hostility right off the bat~~, ~~that won't come off very well, especially if Chris is actually making money from them (plus he likes them)~~		The following month, MKRNightVee and Naught lashed out at [[Caden]] over the amount during [[Taser Discussion\|a three-way call between Chris, the Watchmen and Caden]]. Chris reiterated that he was fine with his share.

	~~If they're talked down~~ and ~~just continue the business while giving chris a fair share, then I see no reason we can't coexist with Praetor.~~

	~~Of course, if they continue weening anyway, that's a different story, but we won't know unless we try.\|Anaxis<ref name = conspiracy>~~[[~~The Place chats (January 2021)#MKR's Conspiracy Theory About Praetor & The CWCki Server~~]]~~</ref>}}~~

	~~{{Quote\|@~~[[~~Anaxis~~\|~~Lainchu]] Are you~~ a ~~part of Praetor?\|MKR<ref name = conspiracy>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#MKR's Conspiracy Theory About Praetor & The CWCki Server]]</ref>}}~~

	~~By mid~~-~~January of 2021~~, ~~sales for Praetor's medallions were listed as being "sold out", which caught~~ the ~~attention of~~ Watchmen ~~MKR~~ and ~~Kyle, with Kyle even speculating that these medallions never existed in the first place.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales~~]]~~</ref> Naught had then attempted to make a rough estimate of the generated profits from the medallion sales, estimating it to be about $6000, and MKR hoped that Chris got all of the profits~~.~~<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think~~ Chris ~~Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The Watchmen involved had also estimated~~ that Chris only made 400 out of that 6000, with The WCT saying there'd be a "problem" if Chris didn't make at least half.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref><ref group = note>Ultimately, the numbers that the Watchmen came up with were based only on those Praetor had made themselves and sold with Chris's permission.</ref>

	By this point, the Watchman Anaxis questioned some of the theories that the others have come up with, noting that so far the only questionable things Praetor had done were the sermon video and the Pikachu mask, and suggests approaching the group less aggressively, instead suggesting they tell them to limit their shady behaviors to gauge their cooperativeness.<ref name = conspiracy></ref> Anaxis also tells them that attempting to attack Praetor wouldn't be a good look for the Watchmen, especially if Chris was ~~making money anyway. He also noted that Chris was close to the Praetors, so attacking them might also put a wedge between him and the Watchmen if they don't approach the issue cautiously.~~

	~~MKRNightVee retaliates to this, suggesting that he may be a Praetor himself, and came up~~ with another conspiracy theory that people in the CWCki Discord server were also Praetors due to them buying their merchandise. This conversation was one of the main reasons for Anaxis getting banned from The Place server, a fact that greatly upset Chris.

	===MKR Confrontation===		===MKR Confrontation===

PsychoNerd054: /* Chris's reaction */

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Chris's reaction

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	{{quote\|They did not convince anyone of anything; I actually had a vision of this, and actually talked with the Cosmos in that meditation, which in your tangible sense, I thought of using the taser on the Gate Crystal first and foremost. And the same goes for a taser being tested on this body, too. Do not blame our friends as Praetor; this was, in the sense, my idea first.”\|A YouTube comment from Chris on GiBi's video}}		{{quote\|They did not convince anyone of anything; I actually had a vision of this, and actually talked with the Cosmos in that meditation, which in your tangible sense, I thought of using the taser on the Gate Crystal first and foremost. And the same goes for a taser being tested on this body, too. Do not blame our friends as Praetor; this was, in the sense, my idea first.”\|A YouTube comment from Chris on GiBi's video}}

	Chris, becoming aware of all of the drama that had been ensuing by his would-be collaborators, was distraught with all of the fighting that was happening between his allies.		Chris, becoming aware of all of the drama that had been ensuing by his would-be collaborators, was distraught with all of the fighting that was happening between his allies. When GiBi made a video about the drama, Chris tried to set the record straight.

	==Aftermath==		==Aftermath==

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Crystalgate */ they had no evidence and resorted to spin to get their narrative across

2025-04-22T21:59:14Z

Crystalgate: they had no evidence and resorted to spin to get their narrative across

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	{{See also\|Taser\|Taser Discussion}}		{{See also\|Taser\|Taser Discussion}}
	[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png\|300px\|thumb\|The Taser]]		[[File:PraetorSignedTaser.png\|300px\|thumb\|The Taser]]

	Months after Chris introduced Praetor to the Watchmen, followed by the Watchmen gathering as much evidence they could use against them as they could find, Chris finally made a huge announcement that the Watchmen perceived as the perfect opportunity to turn the public against Praetor.

	On 5 [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].<ref name=thinking>[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]</ref>		On 5 [[February 2021]], Chris stated that he wanted to borrow one of Praetor's tasers to stun his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] in an attempt to activate the [[Dimensional Merge]].<ref name=thinking>[[Thinking with Portals#Praetor and the Taser‎]]</ref>

PsychoNerd054: /* Medallion Sales */

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Medallion Sales

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	{{Quote\|@[[Anaxis\|Lainchu]] Are you a part of Praetor?\|MKR<ref name = conspiracy>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#MKR's Conspiracy Theory About Praetor & The CWCki Server]]</ref>}}		{{Quote\|@[[Anaxis\|Lainchu]] Are you a part of Praetor?\|MKR<ref name = conspiracy>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#MKR's Conspiracy Theory About Praetor & The CWCki Server]]</ref>}}

	By mid-January of 2021, sales for Praetor's medallions were listed as being "sold out", which caught the attention of Watchmen MKR and Kyle, with Kyle even speculating that these medallions never existed in the first place.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> Naught had then attempted to make a rough estimate of the generated profits from the medallion sales, estimating it to be about $6000, and MKR hoped that Chris got all of the profits.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The Watchmen involved had also estimated that Chris only made 400 out of that 6000, with The WCT saying there'd be a "problem" if Chris didn't make at least half.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref><ref group = note>Ultimately, the numbers that the Watchmen came up were based only on those Praetor had made themselves and sold with Chris's permission.</ref>		By mid-January of 2021, sales for Praetor's medallions were listed as being "sold out", which caught the attention of Watchmen MKR and Kyle, with Kyle even speculating that these medallions never existed in the first place.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> Naught had then attempted to make a rough estimate of the generated profits from the medallion sales, estimating it to be about $6000, and MKR hoped that Chris got all of the profits.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The Watchmen involved had also estimated that Chris only made 400 out of that 6000, with The WCT saying there'd be a "problem" if Chris didn't make at least half.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref><ref group = note>Ultimately, the numbers that the Watchmen came up with were based only on those Praetor had made themselves and sold with Chris's permission.</ref>

	By this point, the Watchman Anaxis questioned some of the theories that the others have come up with, noting that so far the only questionable things Praetor had done were the sermon video and the Pikachu mask, and suggests approaching the group less aggressively, instead suggesting they tell them to limit their shady behaviors to gauge their cooperativeness.<ref name = conspiracy></ref> Anaxis also tells them that attempting to attack Praetor wouldn't be a good look for the Watchmen, especially if Chris was making money anyway. He also noted that Chris was close to the Praetors, so attacking them might also put a wedge between him and the Watchmen if they don't approach the issue cautiously.		By this point, the Watchman Anaxis questioned some of the theories that the others have come up with, noting that so far the only questionable things Praetor had done were the sermon video and the Pikachu mask, and suggests approaching the group less aggressively, instead suggesting they tell them to limit their shady behaviors to gauge their cooperativeness.<ref name = conspiracy></ref> Anaxis also tells them that attempting to attack Praetor wouldn't be a good look for the Watchmen, especially if Chris was making money anyway. He also noted that Chris was close to the Praetors, so attacking them might also put a wedge between him and the Watchmen if they don't approach the issue cautiously.

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Medallion Sales */ chris hadn't made any of his own on officialcwcmart at that point

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Medallion Sales: chris hadn't made any of his own on officialcwcmart at that point

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	{{Quote\|@[[Anaxis\|Lainchu]] Are you a part of Praetor?\|MKR<ref name = conspiracy>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#MKR's Conspiracy Theory About Praetor & The CWCki Server]]</ref>}}		{{Quote\|@[[Anaxis\|Lainchu]] Are you a part of Praetor?\|MKR<ref name = conspiracy>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#MKR's Conspiracy Theory About Praetor & The CWCki Server]]</ref>}}

	By mid-January of 2021, sales for Praetor's medallions were listed as being "sold out", which caught the attention of Watchmen MKR and Kyle, with Kyle even speculating that these medallions never existed in the first place.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> Naught had then attempted to make a rough estimate of the generated profits from the medallion sales, estimating it to be about $6000, and MKR hoped that Chris got all of the profits.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The Watchmen involved had also estimated that Chris only made 400 out of that 6000, with The WCT saying there'd be a "problem" if Chris didn't make at least half.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref><ref group = note>Ultimately, the numbers that the Watchmen came up with ~~conflated the Etsy store~~'s ~~sales of medallions Chris made himself and those he collaborated with Praetor to make. It is unclear how much of each were sold~~.</ref>		By mid-January of 2021, sales for Praetor's medallions were listed as being "sold out", which caught the attention of Watchmen MKR and Kyle, with Kyle even speculating that these medallions never existed in the first place.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen's Skepticism Over Praetor Medallion Sales]]</ref> Naught had then attempted to make a rough estimate of the generated profits from the medallion sales, estimating it to be about $6000, and MKR hoped that Chris got all of the profits.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Think Chris Should Get All of Praetor's Sales Money]]</ref> The Watchmen involved had also estimated that Chris only made 400 out of that 6000, with The WCT saying there'd be a "problem" if Chris didn't make at least half.<ref>[[The Place chats (January 2021)#The Watchmen Complain About Chris's Payout]]</ref><ref group = note>Ultimately, the numbers that the Watchmen came up were based only on those Praetor had made themselves and sold with Chris's permission.</ref>

	By this point, the Watchman Anaxis questioned some of the theories that the others have come up with, noting that so far the only questionable things Praetor had done were the sermon video and the Pikachu mask, and suggests approaching the group less aggressively, instead suggesting they tell them to limit their shady behaviors to gauge their cooperativeness.<ref name = conspiracy></ref> Anaxis also tells them that attempting to attack Praetor wouldn't be a good look for the Watchmen, especially if Chris was making money anyway. He also noted that Chris was close to the Praetors, so attacking them might also put a wedge between him and the Watchmen if they don't approach the issue cautiously.		By this point, the Watchman Anaxis questioned some of the theories that the others have come up with, noting that so far the only questionable things Praetor had done were the sermon video and the Pikachu mask, and suggests approaching the group less aggressively, instead suggesting they tell them to limit their shady behaviors to gauge their cooperativeness.<ref name = conspiracy></ref> Anaxis also tells them that attempting to attack Praetor wouldn't be a good look for the Watchmen, especially if Chris was making money anyway. He also noted that Chris was close to the Praetors, so attacking them might also put a wedge between him and the Watchmen if they don't approach the issue cautiously.