Talk:Carpetbaggers - Revision history

Ayumu Kasuga: /* Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger */

2026-04-23T14:48:05Z

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	:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	::If we go that route, then there's the question of what to do with Ethan, Winfield, Luke and Sonichu Solutions. Chris has interacted with all but the last one. Also carpetbagging can take on many different forms so it may be useful still to have a list for different examples. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:13, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		::If we go that route, then there's the question of what to do with Ethan, Winfield, Luke and Sonichu Solutions. Chris has interacted with all but the last one. Also carpetbagging can take on many different forms so it may be useful still to have a list for different examples. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:13, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
			:: <blockquote>Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant.</blockquote>
			:: <blockquote>I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept.</blockquote>
			I agree with the above.
			:: <blockquote>And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all.</blockquote>
			:: I think I disagree with this. Not mentioning or omitting things kind of sounds like censorship. As long as it affects Chris it should be mentioned. I like your Tumblr by the way. [[User:Ayumu Kasuga\|Ayumu Kasuga]] ([[User talk:Ayumu Kasuga\|talk]]) 10:48, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger */

2026-04-23T11:13:27Z

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	:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)		:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026		:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026
			:::I don't have much objection to including PewDiePie, except didn't Chris only react to the 2nd video? As for permission, I think exploitation of his infamy can still happen either with or without his permission. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:13, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026		:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026
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	::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026		::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026
	:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
			::If we go that route, then there's the question of what to do with Ethan, Winfield, Luke and Sonichu Solutions. Chris has interacted with all but the last one. Also carpetbagging can take on many different forms so it may be useful still to have a list for different examples. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:13, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

Master: /* Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger */

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	::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026		::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026
			:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

Saltwatertaffy at 10:55, 23 April 2026

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	:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026		:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026
	::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
			::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026

Master: /* Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger */

2026-04-23T10:46:45Z

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	:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026		:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026
			::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

Saltwatertaffy at 10:24, 23 April 2026

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	:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026		:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026
	:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
			:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026

PsychoNerd054: /* Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger */

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	:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)		:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026		:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026
	:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other ~~Enablers~~]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

PsychoNerd054: /* Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger */

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Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger

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	:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)		:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026		:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026
			:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other Enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

Saltwatertaffy at 08:35, 23 April 2026

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	:::::::: No, it's not neutral. Words like "exploited" are inherently loaded and imply deliberate malice. If it were truly neutral, we wouldn't be telling people not to do it. And I'm telling you that I don't think what Courtney did should be considered carpetbagging. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 21:09, 22 April 2026		:::::::: No, it's not neutral. Words like "exploited" are inherently loaded and imply deliberate malice. If it were truly neutral, we wouldn't be telling people not to do it. And I'm telling you that I don't think what Courtney did should be considered carpetbagging. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 21:09, 22 April 2026
	:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)		:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
			:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Who is and isn't a Carpetbagger */

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	::::::: We aren't condemning people here. We are just making a list of verified carpetbaggers, and making points on why not to carpetbag. I view this list as very neutral. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 20:55, 22 April 2026 (EDT)		::::::: We aren't condemning people here. We are just making a list of verified carpetbaggers, and making points on why not to carpetbag. I view this list as very neutral. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 20:55, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
	:::::::: No, it's not neutral. Words like "exploited" are inherently loaded and imply deliberate malice. If it were truly neutral, we wouldn't be telling people not to do it. And I'm telling you that I don't think what Courtney did should be considered carpetbagging. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 21:09, 22 April 2026		:::::::: No, it's not neutral. Words like "exploited" are inherently loaded and imply deliberate malice. If it were truly neutral, we wouldn't be telling people not to do it. And I'm telling you that I don't think what Courtney did should be considered carpetbagging. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 21:09, 22 April 2026
			:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)

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	:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)		:Rex took advantage of Chris's infamy by making the album cover, using his name, and then giving people the option to pay for the cover, while avoiding any input from Chris. Money and self-promotion are involved even though he claimed to want to send any profit to a charity of his own choosing. He also suggested he would be open to collaborating with Chris. So I think that altogether goes beyond a simple fan project. As for Courtney, she also went beyond fan projects by making multiple posts on her Patreon promoting the redesigning. It wasn't even a one-off thing, she redesigned Sonichu and Rosechu, it got a reaction from Chris, then a year later she did redesigns of the Chaotic Combo. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:25, 22 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026		:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026
			:::I don't have much objection to including PewDiePie, except didn't Chris only react to the 2nd video? As for permission, I think exploitation of his infamy can still happen either with or without his permission. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:13, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026		:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026
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	::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026		::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026
	:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
			::If we go that route, then there's the question of what to do with Ethan, Winfield, Luke and Sonichu Solutions. Chris has interacted with all but the last one. Also carpetbagging can take on many different forms so it may be useful still to have a list for different examples. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:13, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

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	::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026		::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026
			:::: I think if anything, the Trolls list at least should be kept. Because most people going to this website would be thinking "who are all the trolls?" and a whole list of them in one place is very helpful. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 07:02, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

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	:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026		:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026
	::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
			::: I think that the list of CBs, and for that matter, the trolls list, are entirely redundant with their dedicated pages, as would a list of Weens, A-Logs, and White Knights. And anyone not notable enough for their own page warrants a discussion on whether they're notable enough to be mentioned at all. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:55, 23 April 2026

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	:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
	:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026		:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026
			::I actually was thinking the opposite, wondering why we don't have a list of Weens, A-logs, and White Knights like we do with Enablers, Carpetbaggers and Trolls. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 06:46, 23 April 2026 (EDT)

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	:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026		:: I don't get the damned if you do damned if you don't attitude when it comes to collabing with Chris. Rex is a CB because he didn't ask for Chris's permission. People like Edmund are on the list because they did. And by the logic you include Courtney, Pewdiepie should also be a CB: he mentioned Chris in a video, it got a reaction from Chris, then he made a whole video on him. And neither of you have been able to convince me why having a Patreon is any more scummy than using an ad service. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 4:34, 23 April 2026
	:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)		:Now that this discussion has been sparked, I don't know if having a list of contenders on this page is that bright of an idea in the first place, seeing how none of the other Quintet pages have one, and a majority of the people on the list have their own page anyway, making their entries redundant. The [[Enablers]] page had at one point also had a list of Chris's enablers, but that list then got split off into [[Other enablers]] to talk about random people associated with Chris that otherwise didn't have enough for a page. I think it'd just be enough to say what a Carpetbagger is, and to just argue against the practice, like we do with the other Quintet entries.[[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 05:49, 23 April 2026 (EDT)
			:: I agree with this idea. [[User:saltwatertaffy\|Salt Water Taffy]] ([[User talk:saltwatertaffy\|talk]]) 6:24, 23 April 2026