Talk:Chris and art - Revision history

Corrinasghost: /* Criticism */ new section

2012-04-18T18:15:19Z

Criticism: new section

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	TLDR; All of this editing war stuff has to stop. There's no reason why that 2000+ words shouldn't be in this article. It's not "theory", it's just common Chris sense. Because so much of this stuff is proven by Chris just existing, it'd be hard to come up with any one reference or example.... I've given a few, but as we all know, there's a TON more. So just let the stuff be there for now. --[[User:4Macie\|4Macie]] 22:39, 14 November 2011 (PST)		TLDR; All of this editing war stuff has to stop. There's no reason why that 2000+ words shouldn't be in this article. It's not "theory", it's just common Chris sense. Because so much of this stuff is proven by Chris just existing, it'd be hard to come up with any one reference or example.... I've given a few, but as we all know, there's a TON more. So just let the stuff be there for now. --[[User:4Macie\|4Macie]] 22:39, 14 November 2011 (PST)

			== Criticism ==

			I found this link that features some of his earlier work.

			http://www.geekologie.com/2009/12/um-yeah-maybe-get-somebody-els.php


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4Macie: /* Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof */ sorry had to format for easier reading

2011-11-15T06:40:22Z

Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof: sorry had to format for easier reading

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	== Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof ==		== Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof ==

	So, I've noticed a couple people editing this page (taking out huge chunks and putting back in huge chunks). I think it's safe to say that a lot of the stuff that's being taken away is not just "theory", it's proven fact. There won't be a singular example that can be used though, so it'll be hard to find examples without having to go way back in Chris's history. Here's some examples (This'll get long, but bare with me):		So, I've noticed a couple people editing this page (taking out huge chunks and putting back in huge chunks). I think it's safe to say that a lot of the stuff that's being taken away is not just "theory", it's proven fact. There won't be a singular example that can be used though, so it'll be hard to find examples without having to go way back in Chris's history. Here's some examples (This'll get long, but bare with me): <br>
	1) We have a picture Chris drew, roughly, in Elementary/Middle School. It's almost exactly the same as his drawings now --> Proves the point of not changing his drawing		1) We have a picture Chris drew, roughly, in Elementary/Middle School. It's almost exactly the same as his drawings now --> Proves the point of not changing his drawing<br>
	2) Chris has proven in almost EVERY Sonichu Edition that he does only "one take". The proof? There's a lot of drawing errors that he just colors over or leaves. Want a singular example? How about the sex comic he did with Julie; he takes her into a hotel room and undresses, he tried to trace his own penis and started on his balls too. He decided he didn't like the balls in there and so instead of retracing or redoing anything he just made "speed lines".		2) Chris has proven in almost EVERY Sonichu Edition that he does only "one take". The proof? There's a lot of drawing errors that he just colors over or leaves. Want a singular example? How about the sex comic he did with Julie; he takes her into a hotel room and undresses, he tried to trace his own penis and started on his balls too. He decided he didn't like the balls in there and so instead of retracing or redoing anything he just made "speed lines".<br>
	3) He's mentioned over and over how his "hand drawn style" is so much better than anything any computer could make because it adds "personality". Example: Alec calls and mail bags.		3) He's mentioned over and over how his "hand drawn style" is so much better than anything any computer could make because it adds "personality". Example: Alec calls and mail bags.<br>
	4) His text blocks cover almost the whole picture in each Comic Strip he's made. They have no order, no organization, and more often then not, the text is unnecessarily wordy and descriptive. The whole point of a comic is for the pictures to do the story telling with the words have to do very little.		4) His text blocks cover almost the whole picture in each Comic Strip he's made. They have no order, no organization, and more often then not, the text is unnecessarily wordy and descriptive. The whole point of a comic is for the pictures to do the story telling with the words have to do very little.<br>
	5) The part about this drawing being the only thing close to talent Chris has isn't far off, the examples are in his every day life. He got FIRED from Wendy's after a month of working there (as a past employee of Wendy's I can personally tell you it's hard to do; you really have to eff it up). He believes he's a "jack of all trades and a master of none" according to the Jackie's Father calls; yet he doesn't have any job offers and even Kmart, Target, and Wal-mart have refused to hire him. He's naive, he's self-centered, and he truly believes that he does not need to change in any way, shape, or form to get a woman to love him (and to keep her) and he believes that the world should respect him and cater to his every whim. He refuses to do any kind of work, even if it'll get him something he wants (he'd rather have someone else do it for him, and if they won't, well he'll just whine about it but move on a few days later) Proof? Every "girlfriend" he's ever had.		5) The part about this drawing being the only thing close to talent Chris has isn't far off, the examples are in his every day life. He got FIRED from Wendy's after a month of working there (as a past employee of Wendy's I can personally tell you it's hard to do; you really have to eff it up). He believes he's a "jack of all trades and a master of none" according to the Jackie's Father calls; yet he doesn't have any job offers and even Kmart, Target, and Wal-mart have refused to hire him. He's naive, he's self-centered, and he truly believes that he does not need to change in any way, shape, or form to get a woman to love him (and to keep her) and he believes that the world should respect him and cater to his every whim. He refuses to do any kind of work, even if it'll get him something he wants (he'd rather have someone else do it for him, and if they won't, well he'll just whine about it but move on a few days later) Proof? Every "girlfriend" he's ever had.<br>
	6) His art is a chore? Proof, again, is everything he's ever said in a mailbag, a captain's log, or a rant about trolls. He feels that other people should inspire him and give him praise or else he won't do his work. He wanted Sonichu to be his job, yet he refused to do even the simplest things, even while being threatened by trolls and "girlfriends". Every "girlfriend" he's had has asked him to do more of the comics and he doesn't. Jackie, for example, wanted something drawn for her ( a fantasy picture), and instead of doing it, he does something for himself and tells her it's good enough.... even though it was FOR HER. He couldn't even keep up with his 2 pages a day limit for longer than a few weeks; he'd blame his computer not being able to scan anything quickly, saying it could take "anywhere from 30 min to an hour to upload", reference Alec calls again.		6) His art is a chore? Proof, again, is everything he's ever said in a mailbag, a captain's log, or a rant about trolls. He feels that other people should inspire him and give him praise or else he won't do his work. He wanted Sonichu to be his job, yet he refused to do even the simplest things, even while being threatened by trolls and "girlfriends". Every "girlfriend" he's had has asked him to do more of the comics and he doesn't. Jackie, for example, wanted something drawn for her ( a fantasy picture), and instead of doing it, he does something for himself and tells her it's good enough.... even though it was FOR HER. He couldn't even keep up with his 2 pages a day limit for longer than a few weeks; he'd blame his computer not being able to scan anything quickly, saying it could take "anywhere from 30 min to an hour to upload", reference Alec calls again.<br>

	TLDR; All of this editing war stuff has to stop. There's no reason why that 2000+ words shouldn't be in this article. It's not "theory", it's just common Chris sense. Because so much of this stuff is proven by Chris just existing, it'd be hard to come up with any one reference or example.... I've given a few, but as we all know, there's a TON more. So just let the stuff be there for now. --[[User:4Macie\|4Macie]] 22:39, 14 November 2011 (PST)		TLDR; All of this editing war stuff has to stop. There's no reason why that 2000+ words shouldn't be in this article. It's not "theory", it's just common Chris sense. Because so much of this stuff is proven by Chris just existing, it'd be hard to come up with any one reference or example.... I've given a few, but as we all know, there's a TON more. So just let the stuff be there for now. --[[User:4Macie\|4Macie]] 22:39, 14 November 2011 (PST)

4Macie: /* Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof */ new section

2011-11-15T06:39:08Z

Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof: new section

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	* Well, I am an aspie, and I hold a pen correctly, but I have really old memories that I may have done that at one point, or it was another person who had more severe Aspergers, I honestly don't know, I can't have been more than 7 at the time, the memory is extremely fuzzy. I ''can'' say for certain, though, that I have seen that incorrect grip before, so you may be on to something. --[[User:DStecks\|DStecks]] 18:03, 7 August 2011 (PDT)		* Well, I am an aspie, and I hold a pen correctly, but I have really old memories that I may have done that at one point, or it was another person who had more severe Aspergers, I honestly don't know, I can't have been more than 7 at the time, the memory is extremely fuzzy. I ''can'' say for certain, though, that I have seen that incorrect grip before, so you may be on to something. --[[User:DStecks\|DStecks]] 18:03, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

			== Recent edit war needs to stop; Here's your proof ==

			So, I've noticed a couple people editing this page (taking out huge chunks and putting back in huge chunks). I think it's safe to say that a lot of the stuff that's being taken away is not just "theory", it's proven fact. There won't be a singular example that can be used though, so it'll be hard to find examples without having to go way back in Chris's history. Here's some examples (This'll get long, but bare with me):
			1) We have a picture Chris drew, roughly, in Elementary/Middle School. It's almost exactly the same as his drawings now --> Proves the point of not changing his drawing
			2) Chris has proven in almost EVERY Sonichu Edition that he does only "one take". The proof? There's a lot of drawing errors that he just colors over or leaves. Want a singular example? How about the sex comic he did with Julie; he takes her into a hotel room and undresses, he tried to trace his own penis and started on his balls too. He decided he didn't like the balls in there and so instead of retracing or redoing anything he just made "speed lines".
			3) He's mentioned over and over how his "hand drawn style" is so much better than anything any computer could make because it adds "personality". Example: Alec calls and mail bags.
			4) His text blocks cover almost the whole picture in each Comic Strip he's made. They have no order, no organization, and more often then not, the text is unnecessarily wordy and descriptive. The whole point of a comic is for the pictures to do the story telling with the words have to do very little.
			5) The part about this drawing being the only thing close to talent Chris has isn't far off, the examples are in his every day life. He got FIRED from Wendy's after a month of working there (as a past employee of Wendy's I can personally tell you it's hard to do; you really have to eff it up). He believes he's a "jack of all trades and a master of none" according to the Jackie's Father calls; yet he doesn't have any job offers and even Kmart, Target, and Wal-mart have refused to hire him. He's naive, he's self-centered, and he truly believes that he does not need to change in any way, shape, or form to get a woman to love him (and to keep her) and he believes that the world should respect him and cater to his every whim. He refuses to do any kind of work, even if it'll get him something he wants (he'd rather have someone else do it for him, and if they won't, well he'll just whine about it but move on a few days later) Proof? Every "girlfriend" he's ever had.
			6) His art is a chore? Proof, again, is everything he's ever said in a mailbag, a captain's log, or a rant about trolls. He feels that other people should inspire him and give him praise or else he won't do his work. He wanted Sonichu to be his job, yet he refused to do even the simplest things, even while being threatened by trolls and "girlfriends". Every "girlfriend" he's had has asked him to do more of the comics and he doesn't. Jackie, for example, wanted something drawn for her ( a fantasy picture), and instead of doing it, he does something for himself and tells her it's good enough.... even though it was FOR HER. He couldn't even keep up with his 2 pages a day limit for longer than a few weeks; he'd blame his computer not being able to scan anything quickly, saying it could take "anywhere from 30 min to an hour to upload", reference Alec calls again.

			TLDR; All of this editing war stuff has to stop. There's no reason why that 2000+ words shouldn't be in this article. It's not "theory", it's just common Chris sense. Because so much of this stuff is proven by Chris just existing, it'd be hard to come up with any one reference or example.... I've given a few, but as we all know, there's a TON more. So just let the stuff be there for now. --[[User:4Macie\|4Macie]] 22:39, 14 November 2011 (PST)

DStecks: /* Pen Holding Technique..? */

2011-08-08T01:03:17Z

Pen Holding Technique..?

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	But I found it kinda bizarre and alarming that he holds the pencil the same way as me, and draws like that...		But I found it kinda bizarre and alarming that he holds the pencil the same way as me, and draws like that...
	--[[User:AsperGirl\|AsperGirl]] 19:53, 23 January 2011 (PST)		--[[User:AsperGirl\|AsperGirl]] 19:53, 23 January 2011 (PST)

			* Well, I am an aspie, and I hold a pen correctly, but I have really old memories that I may have done that at one point, or it was another person who had more severe Aspergers, I honestly don't know, I can't have been more than 7 at the time, the memory is extremely fuzzy. I ''can'' say for certain, though, that I have seen that incorrect grip before, so you may be on to something. --[[User:DStecks\|DStecks]] 18:03, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

The Iconoclast: /* Chris knows his art is childish. Sort of. */

2011-06-02T09:08:35Z

Chris knows his art is childish. Sort of.

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	: I think we should put up some small-children's drawings and compare them side by side for good measure. Perhaps that will give a more accurate perspective of Chris's quality. Anyone else think this is a good idea? I've already started looking for decent comparisons to contrast with Chris [[User:SargentPickles\|SargentPickles]] 12:23, 12 May 2010 (EST)		: I think we should put up some small-children's drawings and compare them side by side for good measure. Perhaps that will give a more accurate perspective of Chris's quality. Anyone else think this is a good idea? I've already started looking for decent comparisons to contrast with Chris [[User:SargentPickles\|SargentPickles]] 12:23, 12 May 2010 (EST)

			I've noticed that many of his poses are awkward, forced, and stiff. For example, look at when Sonichu or Chris-Chan Sonichu throw a punch. Chris tends to draw the impact as an orangeish-yellow blob, with no sound effect, and it just looks like he's smashing an overripe fruit into some chump's face. Does he even pay attention to the cartoons he watches so religiously? He could at least study their techniques to get a more fluid, kinetic feel to his art. --[[User:The Iconoclast\|The Iconoclast]] 02:08, 2 June 2011 (PDT)

	== Rewrite ==		== Rewrite ==

AsperGirl at 03:53, 24 January 2011

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	I could have sworn that Chris has some Fan Fiction about himself being a super-powered chick or something and blowing up his school...What ever happened to it? [[User:The Brave\|The Brave]] 15:13, 30 November 2010 (PST)		I could have sworn that Chris has some Fan Fiction about himself being a super-powered chick or something and blowing up his school...What ever happened to it? [[User:The Brave\|The Brave]] 15:13, 30 November 2010 (PST)
	: [[The High School Story]]? Not really related to art, except that some trolls adapted it into a pretty nice comic... --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 12:01, 2 December 2010 (PST)		: [[The High School Story]]? Not really related to art, except that some trolls adapted it into a pretty nice comic... --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 12:01, 2 December 2010 (PST)

			== Pen Holding Technique..? ==

			Em... I feel so stupid, now. I hold mine the very same way (Tablet Pen, Pen, Pencil... Anything of the like), even though my chopstick holding technique is how I SHOULD hold a pen. I can be casual with light sketching, but tighter lines and details call for a shift to that hold style...

			But I use thicker pens with grips so it's comfortable...

			Is than an Autism/Aspergers thing? I ask because it's odd that I've used the same technique since I was at least 5-8, and I've got Aspergers.

			Granted, my art is easily better than his (isn't all of ours?), and I took some basic and then some classes in art (as in not standard school ones), and they simply worked around that problem. I should note that a teacher commented that my penciling and the like is better than my painting. Can't keep a brush steady too long...

			But I found it kinda bizarre and alarming that he holds the pencil the same way as me, and draws like that...
			--[[User:AsperGirl\|AsperGirl]] 19:53, 23 January 2011 (PST)

Wwwwolf: /* His Fan Fiction??? */

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His Fan Fiction???

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	I could have sworn that Chris has some Fan Fiction about himself being a super-powered chick or something and blowing up his school...What ever happened to it? [[User:The Brave\|The Brave]] 15:13, 30 November 2010 (PST)		I could have sworn that Chris has some Fan Fiction about himself being a super-powered chick or something and blowing up his school...What ever happened to it? [[User:The Brave\|The Brave]] 15:13, 30 November 2010 (PST)
			: [[The High School Story]]? Not really related to art, except that some trolls adapted it into a pretty nice comic... --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 12:01, 2 December 2010 (PST)

The Brave at 23:13, 30 November 2010

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	: Great work. Also a good proof that I have a tendency to ramble needlessly and often need an editor. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)		: Great work. Also a good proof that I have a tendency to ramble needlessly and often need an editor. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
	Glad you liked it. I'm most of the way done with a like-styled rewrite of "Chris and Writing." [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)		Glad you liked it. I'm most of the way done with a like-styled rewrite of "Chris and Writing." [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)


			== His Fan Fiction??? ==

			I could have sworn that Chris has some Fan Fiction about himself being a super-powered chick or something and blowing up his school...What ever happened to it? [[User:The Brave\|The Brave]] 15:13, 30 November 2010 (PST)

SargentPickles: /* Chris knows his art is childish. Sort of. */

2010-05-12T16:23:32Z

Chris knows his art is childish. Sort of.

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	Chris has been insisting in his personalized Mailbag 50 that he knows his art is childish because he is "trying to push the envelope on the standards of quality" and that he's trying to envoke "childish innocence" and bullshit like that. Where would the best section be to talk about this? [[User:Fefnir\|Fefnir]] 21:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)		Chris has been insisting in his personalized Mailbag 50 that he knows his art is childish because he is "trying to push the envelope on the standards of quality" and that he's trying to envoke "childish innocence" and bullshit like that. Where would the best section be to talk about this? [[User:Fefnir\|Fefnir]] 21:23, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

			: I think we should put up some small-children's drawings and compare them side by side for good measure. Perhaps that will give a more accurate perspective of Chris's quality. Anyone else think this is a good idea? I've already started looking for decent comparisons to contrast with Chris [[User:SargentPickles\|SargentPickles]] 12:23, 12 May 2010 (EST)

	== Rewrite ==		== Rewrite ==

CWCspatcher at 20:20, 11 May 2010

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	I've just given this article a major rewrite. I ended up cutting out almost seventeen thousand characters, but I did my best to keep the message of the article intact and consistent. I apologize if my revision seems too drastic. [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)		I've just given this article a major rewrite. I ended up cutting out almost seventeen thousand characters, but I did my best to keep the message of the article intact and consistent. I apologize if my revision seems too drastic. [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
	: Great work. Also a good proof that I have a tendency to ramble needlessly and often need an editor. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)		: Great work. Also a good proof that I have a tendency to ramble needlessly and often need an editor. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
			Glad you liked it. I'm most of the way done with a like-styled rewrite of "Chris and Writing." [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)

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	I've just given this article a major rewrite. I ended up cutting out almost seventeen thousand characters, but I did my best to keep the message of the article intact and consistent. I apologize if my revision seems too drastic. [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)		I've just given this article a major rewrite. I ended up cutting out almost seventeen thousand characters, but I did my best to keep the message of the article intact and consistent. I apologize if my revision seems too drastic. [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 04:38, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
	: Great work. Also a good proof that I have a tendency to ramble needlessly and often need an editor. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)		: Great work. Also a good proof that I have a tendency to ramble needlessly and often need an editor. =) --''[[User:Wwwwolf\|wwwwolf]]'' <span style="font-size:smaller;">([[User talk:Wwwwolf\|wake me when you need me]])</span> 19:31, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
			Glad you liked it. I'm most of the way done with a like-styled rewrite of "Chris and Writing." [[User:CWCspatcher\|CWCspatcher]] 20:20, 11 May 2010 (UTC)