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Blazer: /* Chris knows (kinda) what he's doing is illegal */

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Chris knows (kinda) what he's doing is illegal

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	On some level, Chris knows what he's doing is illegal, but his ego and grandiosity make him feel entitled to rip them both off, as he views Sonichu as his lifework, and any slight to Sonichu is a direct slight to him. It would be interesting to see what happens when his copyright is directly challenged by a legitimate source (aka, Nintendo, Sega, or any other source he's ripped off). Being that Chris spends all of his money on video games, porn and whatever useless eBay junk that catches his eye, I seriously doubt he would be able to afford serious legal counsel, and would learn very quickly the penalties of copyright infringement...		On some level, Chris knows what he's doing is illegal, but his ego and grandiosity make him feel entitled to rip them both off, as he views Sonichu as his lifework, and any slight to Sonichu is a direct slight to him. It would be interesting to see what happens when his copyright is directly challenged by a legitimate source (aka, Nintendo, Sega, or any other source he's ripped off). Being that Chris spends all of his money on video games, porn and whatever useless eBay junk that catches his eye, I seriously doubt he would be able to afford serious legal counsel, and would learn very quickly the penalties of copyright infringement...
	--[[User:SargentPickles\|SargentPickles]] 00:05, 4 April 2010 (EST)		--[[User:SargentPickles\|SargentPickles]] 00:05, 4 April 2010 (EST)

			==An Example In The Making...==

			I don't know how many of you tend to follow news from other franchises, especially ones involving Chris, but [http://www.tssznews.com/2010/07/07/ken-penders-claims-copyright-on-several-archie-characters/ this one] has really caught my attention, especially seeing as this is almost a textbook example of what may happen if Chris tries to sue and use his copyrights.

			For those who don't want to read the article, he's the long and short of it:

			Ken Penders, former head writer of the Sonic comics, has decided to lay claim on characters, story lines and other stuff he created for the comic and wants SEGA and Archie to stop using them. Even more, he wants all comics pulled out and the cessation of all reprints involving "his" characters. While many fans are up in arms, afraid that their comic is doomed (as well as the uncertain fate of a Sonic RPG that came out awhile back), current head writer Ian Flynn has basically told them "SEGA and Archie has it. Chill." What some people are thinking (And this is most likely gonna be what SEGA and Archie are gonna do) is point out that, because Ken created these characters for ''the comic they own'', not only are these characters and such Archie's, but also SEGA's. As well, these characters are derivatives of Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, etc.

			tl;dr He ''has'' no case. Especially since he waited ''five years after leaving''. And even if he somehow ''does'' win, it's gonna be majorly Pyrrhic; he would only win ''the names of the characters'', he'd have to make a whole new universe as SEGA would refuse to let him use ''their'' characters for ''his'' "new" series. And the characters in the comics? They'd just be given new names!

			The same would be for Chris on some level. Even if he won on some level, he would still lose. He would have no case because of what they are.

			I know, I basically ranted about something stupid like this, but I just think this is interesting and its nice to see a what if scenario play out.--[[User:Blazer\|Blazer]] 03:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

SargentPickles at 04:08, 4 April 2010

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	:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

			== Chris knows (kinda) what he's doing is illegal==

			I believe that Chris has some inner knowledge that what he's doing is copyright infringement, being as that he's very quick to change the subject whenever it's brought up. During the Father call, When Matt brings up the fact that Chris would need permission form Sega to produce Sonichu, he quickly jabbers out some BS about him already have talked to Sega, but provides no details and quickly launches into another BS talk about his "fame". More telling, is the 1st call with Alec: Chris originally tries to pressure Alec to drop his series because he could "sue" him, but when Alec asks if he has permission from Sonic or Nintendo to produce Sonichu, he immediately assures him that everything's alright and that he shouldn't contact them in a very nervous tone. When Alec push's it further, explaining to Chris that the his "copyright" is more or less useless, he immediately tries to drop the subject... I believe that he also mention in one of his mailbag's that he has letters form both Sega and Nintendo telling him that he has permission, but that he's "misplaced them"...

			On some level, Chris knows what he's doing is illegal, but his ego and grandiosity make him feel entitled to rip them both off, as he views Sonichu as his lifework, and any slight to Sonichu is a direct slight to him. It would be interesting to see what happens when his copyright is directly challenged by a legitimate source (aka, Nintendo, Sega, or any other source he's ripped off). Being that Chris spends all of his money on video games, porn and whatever useless eBay junk that catches his eye, I seriously doubt he would be able to afford serious legal counsel, and would learn very quickly the penalties of copyright infringement...
			--[[User:SargentPickles\|SargentPickles]] 00:05, 4 April 2010 (EST)

Griffintown at 12:45, 26 March 2010

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	:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			::Cafepress got the same philosophy than Youtube; Copyright infringement? They pull the merchandise out. It will not work out. [[User:Griffintown\|Griffintown]] 12:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

YawningSquirtleRedux: /* Here's an idea */

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Here's an idea

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	::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Revolver Octopus: /* Here's an idea */

2010-03-26T11:07:41Z

Here's an idea

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	:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Clydec: /* Here's an idea */

2010-03-26T05:18:15Z

Here's an idea

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	Can't we use cafepress to our advantage? If a "fan" were were convince Chris to get an image of Sonichu printed on...let's say a t-shirt and then put it up for sale Chris would be screwed. The only thing stopping Nintendo or Sega from suing Chris is that he isn't making money off of Sonichu. Since the comic will never be published by any self respecting publisher, this may be the best way to hit Chris where it hurts. --[[User:Caboose -1\|Caboose -1]] 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		Can't we use cafepress to our advantage? If a "fan" were were convince Chris to get an image of Sonichu printed on...let's say a t-shirt and then put it up for sale Chris would be screwed. The only thing stopping Nintendo or Sega from suing Chris is that he isn't making money off of Sonichu. Since the comic will never be published by any self respecting publisher, this may be the best way to hit Chris where it hurts. --[[User:Caboose -1\|Caboose -1]] 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

BreadGod: /* Here's an idea */

2010-03-26T04:25:28Z

Here's an idea

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	Can't we use cafepress to our advantage? If a "fan" were were convince Chris to get an image of Sonichu printed on...let's say a t-shirt and then put it up for sale Chris would be screwed. The only thing stopping Nintendo or Sega from suing Chris is that he isn't making money off of Sonichu. Since the comic will never be published by any self respecting publisher, this may be the best way to hit Chris where it hurts. --[[User:Caboose -1\|Caboose -1]] 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		Can't we use cafepress to our advantage? If a "fan" were were convince Chris to get an image of Sonichu printed on...let's say a t-shirt and then put it up for sale Chris would be screwed. The only thing stopping Nintendo or Sega from suing Chris is that he isn't making money off of Sonichu. Since the comic will never be published by any self respecting publisher, this may be the best way to hit Chris where it hurts. --[[User:Caboose -1\|Caboose -1]] 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Caboose -1 at 04:18, 26 March 2010

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	:It's a nice thought, but the costs of suing Chris far outweigh the benefits. Corporations can't afford to do things for the lulz.--[[User:Beat\|Beat]] 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)		:It's a nice thought, but the costs of suing Chris far outweigh the benefits. Corporations can't afford to do things for the lulz.--[[User:Beat\|Beat]] 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
	:Yeah, even though Chris has an illegal copyright on Sonichu, he's our problem, not theirs. --[[User:CWCAttack\|CWCAttack]] 03:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)		:Yeah, even though Chris has an illegal copyright on Sonichu, he's our problem, not theirs. --[[User:CWCAttack\|CWCAttack]] 03:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

			==Here's an idea==

			Can't we use cafepress to our advantage? If a "fan" were were convince Chris to get an image of Sonichu printed on...let's say a t-shirt and then put it up for sale Chris would be screwed. The only thing stopping Nintendo or Sega from suing Chris is that he isn't making money off of Sonichu. Since the comic will never be published by any self respecting publisher, this may be the best way to hit Chris where it hurts. --[[User:Caboose -1\|Caboose -1]] 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

CWCAttack at 03:40, 5 February 2010

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	And legal help here is extortionate. --[[YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]]		And legal help here is extortionate. --[[YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]]
	:It's a nice thought, but the costs of suing Chris far outweigh the benefits. Corporations can't afford to do things for the lulz.--[[User:Beat\|Beat]] 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)		:It's a nice thought, but the costs of suing Chris far outweigh the benefits. Corporations can't afford to do things for the lulz.--[[User:Beat\|Beat]] 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
			:Yeah, even though Chris has an illegal copyright on Sonichu, he's our problem, not theirs. --[[User:CWCAttack\|CWCAttack]] 03:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Beat: /* Too much already */

2010-02-05T01:43:42Z

Too much already

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	And legal help here is extortionate. --[[YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]]		And legal help here is extortionate. --[[YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]]
			:It's a nice thought, but the costs of suing Chris far outweigh the benefits. Corporations can't afford to do things for the lulz.--[[User:Beat\|Beat]] 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

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	:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			::Cafepress got the same philosophy than Youtube; Copyright infringement? They pull the merchandise out. It will not work out. [[User:Griffintown\|Griffintown]] 12:45, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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	::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			::Is that enough? I mean any company trying to produce it all will pull it over a cease and desist anyway. Chris lacks the resources to print it himself. I guess that would be deterrent enough. --[[User:YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]] 12:22, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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	:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			:Well, Chris is actually trying to [[Lulu\|sell the comics]] now. -- [[User:Revolver Octopus\|Revolver Octopus]] 11:07, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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	Can't we use cafepress to our advantage? If a "fan" were were convince Chris to get an image of Sonichu printed on...let's say a t-shirt and then put it up for sale Chris would be screwed. The only thing stopping Nintendo or Sega from suing Chris is that he isn't making money off of Sonichu. Since the comic will never be published by any self respecting publisher, this may be the best way to hit Chris where it hurts. --[[User:Caboose -1\|Caboose -1]] 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		Can't we use cafepress to our advantage? If a "fan" were were convince Chris to get an image of Sonichu printed on...let's say a t-shirt and then put it up for sale Chris would be screwed. The only thing stopping Nintendo or Sega from suing Chris is that he isn't making money off of Sonichu. Since the comic will never be published by any self respecting publisher, this may be the best way to hit Chris where it hurts. --[[User:Caboose -1\|Caboose -1]] 04:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
	:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)		:Yes, let's convince Chris that cafepress is a good business investment. --[[User:BreadGod\|BreadGod]] 04:25, 26 March 2010 (UTC)
			::No, Nintendo and Sega would never try to go after Chris because it would be extremely bad PR. Chris is relatively "safe" unless he begins making MILLIONS. [[User:Clydec\|Clydec]] 05:18, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

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	And legal help here is extortionate. --[[YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]]		And legal help here is extortionate. --[[YawningSquirtleRedux\|YawningSquirtleRedux]]
	:It's a nice thought, but the costs of suing Chris far outweigh the benefits. Corporations can't afford to do things for the lulz.--[[User:Beat\|Beat]] 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)		:It's a nice thought, but the costs of suing Chris far outweigh the benefits. Corporations can't afford to do things for the lulz.--[[User:Beat\|Beat]] 01:43, 5 February 2010 (UTC)
			:Yeah, even though Chris has an illegal copyright on Sonichu, he's our problem, not theirs. --[[User:CWCAttack\|CWCAttack]] 03:40, 5 February 2010 (UTC)