Talk:Chris and race - Revision history

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Rewrite */

2020-10-16T16:25:23Z

Rewrite

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	Planning to rewrite this page and [[Niggos]]. The perspective on both is exaggerated too much. His attitude on race is more along the lines of taking stereotypes too literally, being socially oblivious, and being influenced by trolls (only times he's known to use racial slurs was during the classic trolls era). Any objections or suggestions? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 16:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)		Planning to rewrite this page and [[Niggos]]. The perspective on both is exaggerated too much. His attitude on race is more along the lines of taking stereotypes too literally, being socially oblivious, and being influenced by trolls (only times he's known to use racial slurs was during the classic trolls era). Any objections or suggestions? Also, probably going to split the Niggos page to only discuss the CWC-ism and move the rest of it to Race. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 16:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Rewrite */ new section

2020-10-16T16:24:06Z

Rewrite: new section

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	==George Floyd==		==George Floyd==
	The tweet is too vauge to derive anything about the protests, it could mean anything (COVID etc). Chris has a tendency to not care about what is happening in the media unless it causes a change for him. Therefore I will be rolling the change back. Undo the rollback if you think the section is needed - [[User:Klop\|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop\|talk]]) 13:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)		The tweet is too vauge to derive anything about the protests, it could mean anything (COVID etc). Chris has a tendency to not care about what is happening in the media unless it causes a change for him. Therefore I will be rolling the change back. Undo the rollback if you think the section is needed - [[User:Klop\|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop\|talk]]) 13:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

			== Rewrite ==

			Planning to rewrite this page and [[Niggos]]. The perspective on both is exaggerated too much. His attitude on race is more along the lines of taking stereotypes too literally, being socially oblivious, and being influenced by trolls (only times he's known to use racial slurs was during the classic trolls era). Any objections or suggestions? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 16:24, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

Klop: /* 23andme test */

2020-08-01T13:41:34Z

23andme test

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	***To me it doesn't seem all that out there that Chris would get a 23andme test. 23andme is one of the most well known and advertised "ancestry services" so its likely Chris just got suckered into it by ad, another family member getting it, or he just felt like doing it. Chris has bragged about his supposed ancestry before with [[Anne Boleyn]], [[Cherokee\|being part Cherokee]], and by degrees you could also count his theory that he is a [[Chris_and_religion#Reincarnation\|reincarnated Woodstock lesbian]]. While it is possible IG influenced Chris in this department, judging by his tone in [[CWC Ancestry\|the video he did about it]] I'm inclined to think he did it for himself. Had he mentioned something outlandish like the DNA results proving he is half Pokemon/video game god then I'd say IG had something to with it, from what we know it doesn't make sense to make that connection. [[User:Finnegan\|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan\|talk]]) 08:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)		***To me it doesn't seem all that out there that Chris would get a 23andme test. 23andme is one of the most well known and advertised "ancestry services" so its likely Chris just got suckered into it by ad, another family member getting it, or he just felt like doing it. Chris has bragged about his supposed ancestry before with [[Anne Boleyn]], [[Cherokee\|being part Cherokee]], and by degrees you could also count his theory that he is a [[Chris_and_religion#Reincarnation\|reincarnated Woodstock lesbian]]. While it is possible IG influenced Chris in this department, judging by his tone in [[CWC Ancestry\|the video he did about it]] I'm inclined to think he did it for himself. Had he mentioned something outlandish like the DNA results proving he is half Pokemon/video game god then I'd say IG had something to with it, from what we know it doesn't make sense to make that connection. [[User:Finnegan\|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan\|talk]]) 08:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

			==George Floyd==
			The tweet is too vauge to derive anything about the protests, it could mean anything (COVID etc). Chris has a tendency to not care about what is happening in the media unless it causes a change for him. Therefore I will be rolling the change back. Undo the rollback if you think the section is needed - [[User:Klop\|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop\|talk]]) 13:41, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Finnegan: /* 23andme test */

2020-03-06T08:47:53Z

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	**Only two conversations between them were leaked by the Guard Dogs as examples, out of six months worth of chatlogs. The 23andme test could have been discussed in one of those chats. What else could explain Chris's interest and behavior? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)		**Only two conversations between them were leaked by the Guard Dogs as examples, out of six months worth of chatlogs. The 23andme test could have been discussed in one of those chats. What else could explain Chris's interest and behavior? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

			***To me it doesn't seem all that out there that Chris would get a 23andme test. 23andme is one of the most well known and advertised "ancestry services" so its likely Chris just got suckered into it by ad, another family member getting it, or he just felt like doing it. Chris has bragged about his supposed ancestry before with [[Anne Boleyn]], [[Cherokee\|being part Cherokee]], and by degrees you could also count his theory that he is a [[Chris_and_religion#Reincarnation\|reincarnated Woodstock lesbian]]. While it is possible IG influenced Chris in this department, judging by his tone in [[CWC Ancestry\|the video he did about it]] I'm inclined to think he did it for himself. Had he mentioned something outlandish like the DNA results proving he is half Pokemon/video game god then I'd say IG had something to with it, from what we know it doesn't make sense to make that connection. [[User:Finnegan\|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan\|talk]]) 08:47, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* 23andme test */

2020-03-06T00:55:42Z

23andme test

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	**We have well-documented conversations between Chris and the Idea Guys where they led him into doing all sorts of absurd things. This is not one of them. It is a deduction at best and [[CWCki:sperging\|speculation]] at worst; we should not present it as an established fact. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 21:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)		**We have well-documented conversations between Chris and the Idea Guys where they led him into doing all sorts of absurd things. This is not one of them. It is a deduction at best and [[CWCki:sperging\|speculation]] at worst; we should not present it as an established fact. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 21:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

			**Only two conversations between them were leaked by the Guard Dogs as examples, out of six months worth of chatlogs. The 23andme test could have been discussed in one of those chats. What else could explain Chris's interest and behavior? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:55, 6 March 2020 (UTC)

ChanOfTartary: /* 23andme test */

2020-03-05T21:34:21Z

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	*Any objections to re-adding the Idea Guy mention? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)		*Any objections to re-adding the Idea Guy mention? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

			**We have well-documented conversations between Chris and the Idea Guys where they led him into doing all sorts of absurd things. This is not one of them. It is a deduction at best and [[CWCki:sperging\|speculation]] at worst; we should not present it as an established fact. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 21:34, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* 23andme test */

2020-03-05T14:21:48Z

23andme test

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	I think it's Idea Guy influence. It's unusual behavior from Chris - a sudden interest in DNA ancestry, that he's never cared about before or after - occurring in the timeframe he was being manipulated by the Idea Guys. It fits other confirmed behavior changes like his sudden interest in exercise or his belief that he's bisexual. His announcement on the 23andme test also has him making an over-the-top apology to Jewish people, which is similar behavior as in the IG-produced [[I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms]]. These tests are also fairly expensive and IG was controlling Chris's finances at the time. Chris's conclusions about the test also seem designed by a troll - "Also, my report links my Ancestry to Africa, so guess what else I am... BACK IN BLACK" [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)		I think it's Idea Guy influence. It's unusual behavior from Chris - a sudden interest in DNA ancestry, that he's never cared about before or after - occurring in the timeframe he was being manipulated by the Idea Guys. It fits other confirmed behavior changes like his sudden interest in exercise or his belief that he's bisexual. His announcement on the 23andme test also has him making an over-the-top apology to Jewish people, which is similar behavior as in the IG-produced [[I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms]]. These tests are also fairly expensive and IG was controlling Chris's finances at the time. Chris's conclusions about the test also seem designed by a troll - "Also, my report links my Ancestry to Africa, so guess what else I am... BACK IN BLACK" [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

			*Any objections to re-adding the Idea Guy mention? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 14:21, 5 March 2020 (UTC)

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2020-03-03T23:18:48Z

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	:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)		:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
	::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against people for Irish ancestry many would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)		::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against people for Irish ancestry many would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

			== 23andme test ==

			I think it's Idea Guy influence. It's unusual behavior from Chris - a sudden interest in DNA ancestry, that he's never cared about before or after - occurring in the timeframe he was being manipulated by the Idea Guys. It fits other confirmed behavior changes like his sudden interest in exercise or his belief that he's bisexual. His announcement on the 23andme test also has him making an over-the-top apology to Jewish people, which is similar behavior as in the IG-produced [[I’m Sorry for Ruining so many Fandoms]]. These tests are also fairly expensive and IG was controlling Chris's finances at the time. Chris's conclusions about the test also seem designed by a troll - "Also, my report links my Ancestry to Africa, so guess what else I am... BACK IN BLACK" [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 23:18, 3 March 2020 (UTC)

NegaCWC: /* Jews */

2014-09-10T20:32:10Z

Jews

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	:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])		:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])
	:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)		:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
	::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against ~~the~~ Irish many ~~people~~ would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)		::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against people for Irish ancestry many would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

NegaCWC: /* Jews */

2014-09-10T20:30:53Z

Jews

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	:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])		:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])
	:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)		:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
	::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. ~~While~~ Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against the Irish many people would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)		::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against the Irish many people would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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	:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])		:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])
	:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)		:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
	::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against ~~the~~ Irish many ~~people~~ would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)		::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against people for Irish ancestry many would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

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	:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])		:Jews are often considered (both by themselves and others) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_is_a_Jew%3F#Ethnic_and_cultural_perspectives to be an ethnic group]. Furthermore, many people would argue that there are no real humans races whatsoever. What makes a person a racist isn't whether or not the groups that he hates/is prejiduced against is an actual racial/ethnic group, but whether or not it is percieved by him as such. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]])
	:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)		:I'm completely with you on the "race" thing; it's a common misconception. However, in the case of ethnic and cultural backgrounds, it's again, a religion, not genetic. If we're talking about the middle east/eastern Mediterranean, that's perfectly fine, but being a religious group, it should be moved to the [[Chris and religion]] section. [[User:Boomhauer\|Boomhauer]] ([[User talk:Boomhauer\|talk]]) 8:52, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
	::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. ~~While~~ Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against the Irish many people would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)		::But again, Jews also consider themselves, and are often considered by others, to be an ancestry group (i.e the descendants of ancient Israelites) as well as a religous group. To make an analogy, while Irish people aren't considered a race, if Chris were to lash against the Irish many people would consider it racist. Therefore, I think that this article should discuss Chris's prejudice toward Jews. - [[User:NegaCWC\|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC\|talk]]) 20:26, 10 September 2014 (UTC)