Talk:Financhu Crisis - Revision history

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Splitting off timeline sections? */

2020-02-03T16:35:01Z

Splitting off timeline sections?

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	:: Splitting off the timeline is something that I fully agree on, but I feel that there should be no issue with the size of the timeline in a single spin-off page: I think the main focus for now is to make the main article (Financhu Crisis) concise, and then those interested in the details can click through to the spin-off pages. I think that one idea to allay concerns about length of the spun-off timeline is to try out a [[wikipedia:Template:Horizontal TOC\|horizontal TOC]] from Wikipedia and simplify the headers for it. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 04:40, 27 April 2019 (UTC)		:: Splitting off the timeline is something that I fully agree on, but I feel that there should be no issue with the size of the timeline in a single spin-off page: I think the main focus for now is to make the main article (Financhu Crisis) concise, and then those interested in the details can click through to the spin-off pages. I think that one idea to allay concerns about length of the spun-off timeline is to try out a [[wikipedia:Template:Horizontal TOC\|horizontal TOC]] from Wikipedia and simplify the headers for it. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 04:40, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

			: Revisiting this since the Crisis is now in its fifth year, I still think separating by year is ideal. The sections on the main page could be written like this:

			===Timeline===
			====2016====
			{{main\|Timeline of the Financhu Crisis (2016)}}
			''summary''
			====2017====
			{{main\|Timeline of the Financhu Crisis (2017)}}
			''summary''

			If the timeline was split into only one page, it would require redirects set up anyway. I'm also planning to make a template for money-related matters, similar to the one for [[Reality]], which should help with navigating the different pages of the timeline. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 16:35, 3 February 2020 (UTC)

	== Can Chris get a job now? ==		== Can Chris get a job now? ==

AReasonableMan: /* Can Chris get a job now? */

2019-05-28T04:12:10Z

Can Chris get a job now?

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	::I feel that the Financhu Crisis and the Dimensional Merge have been the main factors behind the pervasive pessimism: it has been like that long before I joined the CWCki in April, and from what I know so far, there have been many failed attempts (to help Chris) to justify such pessimistic language? --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 14:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		::I feel that the Financhu Crisis and the Dimensional Merge have been the main factors behind the pervasive pessimism: it has been like that long before I joined the CWCki in April, and from what I know so far, there have been many failed attempts (to help Chris) to justify such pessimistic language? --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 14:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			:::People have been fervently bashing Chris in one way or another since the ED days. That's how he got Internet-famous. IMHO peeps have been pretty tolerant of Dimensional Merge stuff. Financhu Crisis is an easier excuse to [[Kick the Autistic]] as it's reminiscent of the [[Miyamoto Saga]] and [[JK Productions\|similar]] [[Sonichu (game)\|events]] around that time when Chris was trying to get his game(s) made. I joined around the time that [[26 December 2014\|one should not call anyone]], and that was the reason for the teasin' at that time. tl;dr people troll Chris for many reasons. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 04:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

	:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			::I don't live in Virginia; I'm assuming that's case law. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 04:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

Little Owl: /* Can Chris get a job now? */

2019-05-27T14:40:13Z

Can Chris get a job now?

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	:I am probably more neutral than you, but also more lazy. After re-reading the article it still makes me depressed. I don't know if this is the intent, but it's just a lot darker and more negative than most of the CWCKi, just like many of the [[Chris and...]] articles. Unfortunately I don't have a solution at this time. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		:I am probably more neutral than you, but also more lazy. After re-reading the article it still makes me depressed. I don't know if this is the intent, but it's just a lot darker and more negative than most of the CWCKi, just like many of the [[Chris and...]] articles. Unfortunately I don't have a solution at this time. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			::I feel that the Financhu Crisis and the Dimensional Merge have been the main factors behind the pervasive pessimism: it has been like that long before I joined the CWCki in April, and from what I know so far, there have been many failed attempts (to help Chris) to justify such pessimistic language? --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 14:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

	:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Can Chris get a job now? */

2019-05-27T01:12:46Z

Can Chris get a job now?

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	:I am probably more neutral than you, but also more lazy. After re-reading the article it still makes me depressed. I don't know if this is the intent, but it's just a lot darker and more negative than most of the CWCKi, just like many of the [[Chris and...]] articles. Unfortunately I don't have a solution at this time. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		:I am probably more neutral than you, but also more lazy. After re-reading the article it still makes me depressed. I don't know if this is the intent, but it's just a lot darker and more negative than most of the CWCKi, just like many of the [[Chris and...]] articles. Unfortunately I don't have a solution at this time. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

AReasonableMan: /* Can Chris get a job now? */

2019-05-27T00:56:22Z

Can Chris get a job now?

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	I revised it to say that Chris needs to take action against his ego immediately, but I think further revisions are needed to improve the flow and structure of the section. I am still surprised at the garnishment petition, because if I remember correctly from Kiwi Farms, the creditors cannot easily arrest his tugboat (or a part of it): it is hard for me to decide on my feelings towards Chris, because the one who wishes him to suffer the consequences gets criticized for [[weening]], while the one who supports him get criticised for fuelling his ego. It is a very unique dilemma that I remain neutral on: I instead focus on improving the CWCki. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		I revised it to say that Chris needs to take action against his ego immediately, but I think further revisions are needed to improve the flow and structure of the section. I am still surprised at the garnishment petition, because if I remember correctly from Kiwi Farms, the creditors cannot easily arrest his tugboat (or a part of it): it is hard for me to decide on my feelings towards Chris, because the one who wishes him to suffer the consequences gets criticized for [[weening]], while the one who supports him get criticised for fuelling his ego. It is a very unique dilemma that I remain neutral on: I instead focus on improving the CWCki. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			:I am probably more neutral than you, but also more lazy. After re-reading the article it still makes me depressed. I don't know if this is the intent, but it's just a lot darker and more negative than most of the CWCKi, just like many of the [[Chris and...]] articles. Unfortunately I don't have a solution at this time. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Little Owl: /* Can Chris get a job now? */

2019-05-27T00:07:45Z

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	::I agree. I would also like to add that everything written about Chris and employment seems to be pessimistic to the point of alogging. It's either "Chris is such a loser he'll never get a job now", "Chris is such a lazy shit that he won't even apply for work", or "Chris is so unprofessional that he could never work in a corporate environment or live up to Miyamoto-san's standards" etc. sigh I just don't like the tone of most of the material written about this subject. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		::I agree. I would also like to add that everything written about Chris and employment seems to be pessimistic to the point of alogging. It's either "Chris is such a loser he'll never get a job now", "Chris is such a lazy shit that he won't even apply for work", or "Chris is so unprofessional that he could never work in a corporate environment or live up to Miyamoto-san's standards" etc. sigh I just don't like the tone of most of the material written about this subject. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			I revised it to say that Chris needs to take action against his ego immediately, but I think further revisions are needed to improve the flow and structure of the section. I am still surprised at the garnishment petition, because if I remember correctly from Kiwi Farms, the creditors cannot easily arrest his tugboat (or a part of it): it is hard for me to decide on my feelings towards Chris, because the one who wishes him to suffer the consequences gets criticized for [[weening]], while the one who supports him get criticised for fuelling his ego. It is a very unique dilemma that I remain neutral on: I instead focus on improving the CWCki. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 00:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

AReasonableMan: /* Can Chris get a job now? */

2019-05-27T00:02:04Z

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	:I think the White Knight article is a bit pessimistic about it. Chris could learn how to hold a job, just like he learned to sell stuff on Ebay/Etsy and milk his internet fame for cash. He just hasn't needed to yet since fans keep sustaining his online business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)		:I think the White Knight article is a bit pessimistic about it. Chris could learn how to hold a job, just like he learned to sell stuff on Ebay/Etsy and milk his internet fame for cash. He just hasn't needed to yet since fans keep sustaining his online business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

			::I agree. I would also like to add that everything written about Chris and employment seems to be pessimistic to the point of alogging. It's either "Chris is such a loser he'll never get a job now", "Chris is such a lazy shit that he won't even apply for work", or "Chris is so unprofessional that he could never work in a corporate environment or live up to Miyamoto-san's standards" etc. sigh I just don't like the tone of most of the material written about this subject. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:02, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Can Chris get a job now? */

2019-05-26T22:15:05Z

Can Chris get a job now?

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	It appears to me that in [[Financhu Crisis#Why Chris refuses to work\|Financhu Crisis § Why Chris refuses to work]], Chris could in theory get a job if he wanted to, but according to [[White knight#Chris cares only for himself\|White knight § Chris cares only for himself]], it is too late for Chris to get any job now, as implied by the phrase “He's never going to get a job now”. I think the bits about Chris and employment prospects need to be checked for consistency and brought up to date where needed. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)		It appears to me that in [[Financhu Crisis#Why Chris refuses to work\|Financhu Crisis § Why Chris refuses to work]], Chris could in theory get a job if he wanted to, but according to [[White knight#Chris cares only for himself\|White knight § Chris cares only for himself]], it is too late for Chris to get any job now, as implied by the phrase “He's never going to get a job now”. I think the bits about Chris and employment prospects need to be checked for consistency and brought up to date where needed. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

			:I think the White Knight article is a bit pessimistic about it. Chris could learn how to hold a job, just like he learned to sell stuff on Ebay/Etsy and milk his internet fame for cash. He just hasn't needed to yet since fans keep sustaining his online business. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:15, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Little Owl: /* Can Chris get a job now? */ new section

2019-05-26T07:51:52Z

Can Chris get a job now?: new section

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	:: Splitting off the timeline is something that I fully agree on, but I feel that there should be no issue with the size of the timeline in a single spin-off page: I think the main focus for now is to make the main article (Financhu Crisis) concise, and then those interested in the details can click through to the spin-off pages. I think that one idea to allay concerns about length of the spun-off timeline is to try out a [[wikipedia:Template:Horizontal TOC\|horizontal TOC]] from Wikipedia and simplify the headers for it. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 04:40, 27 April 2019 (UTC)		:: Splitting off the timeline is something that I fully agree on, but I feel that there should be no issue with the size of the timeline in a single spin-off page: I think the main focus for now is to make the main article (Financhu Crisis) concise, and then those interested in the details can click through to the spin-off pages. I think that one idea to allay concerns about length of the spun-off timeline is to try out a [[wikipedia:Template:Horizontal TOC\|horizontal TOC]] from Wikipedia and simplify the headers for it. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 04:40, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

			== Can Chris get a job now? ==

			It appears to me that in [[Financhu Crisis#Why Chris refuses to work\|Financhu Crisis § Why Chris refuses to work]], Chris could in theory get a job if he wanted to, but according to [[White knight#Chris cares only for himself\|White knight § Chris cares only for himself]], it is too late for Chris to get any job now, as implied by the phrase “He's never going to get a job now”. I think the bits about Chris and employment prospects need to be checked for consistency and brought up to date where needed. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 07:51, 26 May 2019 (UTC)

Little Owl: /* Splitting off timeline sections? */

2019-04-27T04:40:03Z

Splitting off timeline sections?

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	: Running the article text through a byte counter shows 57 kb for the full article and 43 kb for the full timeline. I feel that's still too much to wade through in a single page, especially since there's so much repetition. The 2016 timeline is only 13 kb, which is about the length of most articles. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 03:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)		: Running the article text through a byte counter shows 57 kb for the full article and 43 kb for the full timeline. I feel that's still too much to wade through in a single page, especially since there's so much repetition. The 2016 timeline is only 13 kb, which is about the length of most articles. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 03:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

			:: Splitting off the timeline is something that I fully agree on, but I feel that there should be no issue with the size of the timeline in a single spin-off page: I think the main focus for now is to make the main article (Financhu Crisis) concise, and then those interested in the details can click through to the spin-off pages. I think that one idea to allay concerns about length of the spun-off timeline is to try out a [[wikipedia:Template:Horizontal TOC\|horizontal TOC]] from Wikipedia and simplify the headers for it. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 04:40, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

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	::I feel that the Financhu Crisis and the Dimensional Merge have been the main factors behind the pervasive pessimism: it has been like that long before I joined the CWCki in April, and from what I know so far, there have been many failed attempts (to help Chris) to justify such pessimistic language? --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 14:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		::I feel that the Financhu Crisis and the Dimensional Merge have been the main factors behind the pervasive pessimism: it has been like that long before I joined the CWCki in April, and from what I know so far, there have been many failed attempts (to help Chris) to justify such pessimistic language? --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 14:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			:::People have been fervently bashing Chris in one way or another since the ED days. That's how he got Internet-famous. IMHO peeps have been pretty tolerant of Dimensional Merge stuff. Financhu Crisis is an easier excuse to [[Kick the Autistic]] as it's reminiscent of the [[Miyamoto Saga]] and [[JK Productions\|similar]] [[Sonichu (game)\|events]] around that time when Chris was trying to get his game(s) made. I joined around the time that [[26 December 2014\|one should not call anyone]], and that was the reason for the teasin' at that time. tl;dr people troll Chris for many reasons. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 04:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

	:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			::I don't live in Virginia; I'm assuming that's case law. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 04:12, 28 May 2019 (UTC)

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	:I am probably more neutral than you, but also more lazy. After re-reading the article it still makes me depressed. I don't know if this is the intent, but it's just a lot darker and more negative than most of the CWCKi, just like many of the [[Chris and...]] articles. Unfortunately I don't have a solution at this time. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		:I am probably more neutral than you, but also more lazy. After re-reading the article it still makes me depressed. I don't know if this is the intent, but it's just a lot darker and more negative than most of the CWCKi, just like many of the [[Chris and...]] articles. Unfortunately I don't have a solution at this time. [[User:AReasonableMan\|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan\|talk]]) 00:56, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

			::I feel that the Financhu Crisis and the Dimensional Merge have been the main factors behind the pervasive pessimism: it has been like that long before I joined the CWCki in April, and from what I know so far, there have been many failed attempts (to help Chris) to justify such pessimistic language? --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 14:40, 27 May 2019 (UTC)

	:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)		:On the garnishment, tugboat money is technically exempt, but Chris makes hundreds per month in Patreon/Ebay which is up for grabs. And if he has that money mixed in the same bank account, he loses the tugboat immunity and the court can award the creditor however much they need. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 01:12, 27 May 2019 (UTC)