Talk:Flutter - Revision history

CwckiChristorian: /* Helena DM */

2025-10-05T05:27:58Z

Helena DM

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	I believe this was a miscommunication. Helena seems to be talking about Praetor (which she misspelled as pastor) not Flutter when she says Chris told her to contact "them". It's known from previously leaked jail letters that Chris had asked Helena and Kengle to reach out to Caden/Praetor. @[[User:Master\|Master]], think you could ask Helena for clarification? [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2025 (EDT)		I believe this was a miscommunication. Helena seems to be talking about Praetor (which she misspelled as pastor) not Flutter when she says Chris told her to contact "them". It's known from previously leaked jail letters that Chris had asked Helena and Kengle to reach out to Caden/Praetor. @[[User:Master\|Master]], think you could ask Helena for clarification? [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2025 (EDT)
	:You are free to remove that tidbit. I guess it is very possible she came across that theory from the random people contacting her after seeing my Reddit comment. I don't really want to bug her. I only talked to her back then because she contacted me. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 18:39, 4 October 2025 (EDT)		:You are free to remove that tidbit. I guess it is very possible she came across that theory from the random people contacting her after seeing my Reddit comment. I don't really want to bug her. I only talked to her back then because she contacted me. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 18:39, 4 October 2025 (EDT)
			::She must have been aware of the theory because what she said only makes sense if she meant contacting Praetor. Claiming she didn't know Flutter existed until people sent her pictures contradicts the claim that she attempted to contact Flutter at Chris's request during the jail saga. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 01:27, 5 October 2025 (EDT)

Master: /* Helena DM */

2025-10-04T22:39:52Z

Helena DM

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	I believe this was a miscommunication. Helena seems to be talking about Praetor (which she misspelled as pastor) not Flutter when she says Chris told her to contact "them". It's known from previously leaked jail letters that Chris had asked Helena and Kengle to reach out to Caden/Praetor. @[[User:Master\|Master]], think you could ask Helena for clarification? [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2025 (EDT)		I believe this was a miscommunication. Helena seems to be talking about Praetor (which she misspelled as pastor) not Flutter when she says Chris told her to contact "them". It's known from previously leaked jail letters that Chris had asked Helena and Kengle to reach out to Caden/Praetor. @[[User:Master\|Master]], think you could ask Helena for clarification? [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2025 (EDT)
			:You are free to remove that tidbit. I guess it is very possible she came across that theory from the random people contacting her after seeing my Reddit comment. I don't really want to bug her. I only talked to her back then because she contacted me. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 18:39, 4 October 2025 (EDT)

CwckiChristorian at 21:58, 4 October 2025

2025-10-04T21:58:07Z

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	:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2025 (EDT)		:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
	::I didn't intend to say that was in fact Flutter's name, just that it was a name people referred to her by. That's why I said it was "alleged". [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 21:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)		::I didn't intend to say that was in fact Flutter's name, just that it was a name people referred to her by. That's why I said it was "alleged". [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 21:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)

			== Helena DM ==
			I believe this was a miscommunication. Helena seems to be talking about Praetor (which she misspelled as pastor) not Flutter when she says Chris told her to contact "them". It's known from previously leaked jail letters that Chris had asked Helena and Kengle to reach out to Caden/Praetor. @[[User:Master\|Master]], think you could ask Helena for clarification? [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2025 (EDT)

PsychoNerd054: /* Auli */

2025-07-13T01:32:24Z

Auli

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	:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2025 (EDT)		:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
	::I didn't intend to say that was in fact Flutter's ~~full~~ name, just that it was a name people referred to her by. That's why I said it was "alleged". [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 21:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)		::I didn't intend to say that was in fact Flutter's name, just that it was a name people referred to her by. That's why I said it was "alleged". [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 21:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)

PsychoNerd054: /* Auli */

2025-07-13T01:29:13Z

Auli

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	:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2025 (EDT)		:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2025 (EDT)
			::I didn't intend to say that was in fact Flutter's full name, just that it was a name people referred to her by. That's why I said it was "alleged". [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho 🐧]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 21:29, 12 July 2025 (EDT)

CwckiChristorian: /* Auli */

2025-07-13T01:22:55Z

Auli

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	I don't think this name should be included in the CWCki at all unless we get more proof. Putting stuff like this on here causes rumors to spread. [[User:BaboonRancher23\|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23\|talk]]) 21:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)		I don't think this name should be included in the CWCki at all unless we get more proof. Putting stuff like this on here causes rumors to spread. [[User:BaboonRancher23\|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23\|talk]]) 21:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)

	:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling.		:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 21:22, 12 July 2025 (EDT)

CwckiChristorian: /* Auli */

2025-07-13T01:21:42Z

Auli

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	I don't think this name should be included in the CWCki at all unless we get more proof. Putting stuff like this on here causes rumors to spread. [[User:BaboonRancher23\|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23\|talk]]) 21:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)		I don't think this name should be included in the CWCki at all unless we get more proof. Putting stuff like this on here causes rumors to spread. [[User:BaboonRancher23\|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23\|talk]]) 21:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)

			:I agree, I don't think it should be included either until it's confirmed or more information becomes available. I tried adding context to Psycho's edit but the name really shouldn't be on there at all. Plus, even if the recording is legit, we don't know the correct spelling.

BaboonRancher23 at 01:14, 13 July 2025

2025-07-13T01:14:43Z

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	:Agreed, we still know so little about her that we desperately want to fill in the gaps, but it's all speculation at this point. [[User:JinkiesJanke\|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke\|talk]]) 16:54, 8 January 2024 (EST)		:Agreed, we still know so little about her that we desperately want to fill in the gaps, but it's all speculation at this point. [[User:JinkiesJanke\|JinkiesJanke]] ([[User talk:JinkiesJanke\|talk]]) 16:54, 8 January 2024 (EST)

			== Auli ==
			I don't think this name should be included in the CWCki at all unless we get more proof. Putting stuff like this on here causes rumors to spread. [[User:BaboonRancher23\|BaboonRancher23]] ([[User talk:BaboonRancher23\|talk]]) 21:14, 12 July 2025 (EDT)

PsychoNerd054 at 03:15, 14 February 2025

2025-02-14T03:15:19Z

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	::::A bit late to the party, I'll admit, but I think I'll give my take on this too, being the one that made the whole "suitress" policy: I don't think we should do anything like this for Flutter (e.g. if her real name is discovered, don't stop anyone from adding it in the infobox), even if she is arguably just an "innocent bystander", or she appears to be mentally handicapped (as unlikely as that may be), and the same goes for almost any other "innocent bystander" that Chris might just happen to meet up with in the future.		::::A bit late to the party, I'll admit, but I think I'll give my take on this too, being the one that made the whole "suitress" policy: I don't think we should do anything like this for Flutter (e.g. if her real name is discovered, don't stop anyone from adding it in the infobox), even if she is arguably just an "innocent bystander", or she appears to be mentally handicapped (as unlikely as that may be), and the same goes for almost any other "innocent bystander" that Chris might just happen to meet up with in the future.

	::::If the whole fiasco with Fiona had shown anything, randomly deciding to censor information about people just because they just happen to appear "innocent" or "mental", does nothing but complicate things, since it all becomes a matter of selectively choosing what information we can or cannot share on this wiki, whose whole purpose is to document a grown man who also appears "innocent" and "mental" to the average joe, and the many happenings in his life. (Not to mention the [[Mary Lee Walsh\|numerous ~~people~~]] [[Michael Snyder\|in Chris's life]] [[Megan Schroeder\|who have nothing]] [[Adam Stackhouse\|to do with his online presence]] whose info is here anyway) A lot of those happenings just so happen to include people like Flutter, who '''CHOSE''' to engage with Chris despite everything he's done up to this point.		::::If the whole fiasco with Fiona had shown anything, randomly deciding to censor information about people just because they just happen to appear "innocent" or "mental", does nothing but complicate things, since it all becomes a matter of selectively choosing what information we can or cannot share on this wiki, whose whole purpose is to document a grown man who also appears "innocent" and "mental" to the average joe, and the many happenings in his life. (Not to mention the [[Mary Lee Walsh\|numerous other "bystanders"]] [[Michael Snyder\|in Chris's life]] [[Megan Schroeder\|who have nothing]] [[Adam Stackhouse\|to do with his online presence]] whose info is here anyway) A lot of those happenings just so happen to include people like Flutter, who '''CHOSE''' to engage with Chris despite everything he's done up to this point.

	::::While there certainly are cases where this can go completely overboard (e.g. someone puts an ENTIRE dox on here when it's not relevant to Chris's life, bloating the page), we shouldn't treat what goes on this wiki as a matter of who does or doesn't "deserve it", and getting into the whole "morality" of it is just gets utterly wonky. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 20:33, 13 February 2025 (EST)		::::While there certainly are cases where this can go completely overboard (e.g. someone puts an ENTIRE dox on here when it's not relevant to Chris's life, bloating the page), we shouldn't treat what goes on this wiki as a matter of who does or doesn't "deserve it", and getting into the whole "morality" of it is just gets utterly wonky. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 20:33, 13 February 2025 (EST)

PsychoNerd054: /* Proposing a Flutter policy */

2025-02-14T01:50:25Z

Proposing a Flutter policy

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	:::I agree with the two people above me. She took the time out to contact Chris, presumably knowing about his online infamy. If you do that, you are putting yourself at risk of being doxxed, and that fact is made abundantly clear to anyone who chooses to do so. [[User:Cereally\|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally\|talk]]) 21:38, 18 October 2023 (EDT)		:::I agree with the two people above me. She took the time out to contact Chris, presumably knowing about his online infamy. If you do that, you are putting yourself at risk of being doxxed, and that fact is made abundantly clear to anyone who chooses to do so. [[User:Cereally\|Cereally]] ([[User talk:Cereally\|talk]]) 21:38, 18 October 2023 (EDT)

	::::A bit late to the party, I'll admit, but I think I'll give my take on this too, being the one that made the whole "suitress" policy: I don't think we should do anything like this for Flutter~~, even if she is arguably just an "innocent bystander"~~ (e.g. if her real name is discovered, don't stop anyone from adding it in the infobox), or she appears to be mentally handicapped (as unlikely as that may be), and the same goes for almost any other "innocent bystander" that Chris might just happen to meet up with in the future.		::::A bit late to the party, I'll admit, but I think I'll give my take on this too, being the one that made the whole "suitress" policy: I don't think we should do anything like this for Flutter (e.g. if her real name is discovered, don't stop anyone from adding it in the infobox), even if she is arguably just an "innocent bystander", or she appears to be mentally handicapped (as unlikely as that may be), and the same goes for almost any other "innocent bystander" that Chris might just happen to meet up with in the future.

	::::If the whole fiasco with Fiona had shown anything, randomly deciding to censor information about people just because they just happen to appear "innocent" or "mental", does nothing but complicate things, since it all becomes a matter of selectively choosing what information we can or cannot share on this wiki, whose whole purpose is to document a grown man who also appears "innocent" and "mental" to the average joe, and the many happenings in his life. (Not to mention the [[Mary Lee Walsh\|numerous people]] [[Michael Snyder\|in Chris's life]] [[Megan Schroeder\|who have nothing]] [[Adam Stackhouse\|to do with his online presence]] whose info is here anyway) A lot of those happenings just so happen to include people like Flutter, who '''CHOSE''' to engage with Chris despite everything he's done up to this point.		::::If the whole fiasco with Fiona had shown anything, randomly deciding to censor information about people just because they just happen to appear "innocent" or "mental", does nothing but complicate things, since it all becomes a matter of selectively choosing what information we can or cannot share on this wiki, whose whole purpose is to document a grown man who also appears "innocent" and "mental" to the average joe, and the many happenings in his life. (Not to mention the [[Mary Lee Walsh\|numerous people]] [[Michael Snyder\|in Chris's life]] [[Megan Schroeder\|who have nothing]] [[Adam Stackhouse\|to do with his online presence]] whose info is here anyway) A lot of those happenings just so happen to include people like Flutter, who '''CHOSE''' to engage with Chris despite everything he's done up to this point.

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	I believe this was a miscommunication. Helena seems to be talking about Praetor (which she misspelled as pastor) not Flutter when she says Chris told her to contact "them". It's known from previously leaked jail letters that Chris had asked Helena and Kengle to reach out to Caden/Praetor. @[[User:Master\|Master]], think you could ask Helena for clarification? [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2025 (EDT)		I believe this was a miscommunication. Helena seems to be talking about Praetor (which she misspelled as pastor) not Flutter when she says Chris told her to contact "them". It's known from previously leaked jail letters that Chris had asked Helena and Kengle to reach out to Caden/Praetor. @[[User:Master\|Master]], think you could ask Helena for clarification? [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 17:58, 4 October 2025 (EDT)
	:You are free to remove that tidbit. I guess it is very possible she came across that theory from the random people contacting her after seeing my Reddit comment. I don't really want to bug her. I only talked to her back then because she contacted me. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 18:39, 4 October 2025 (EDT)		:You are free to remove that tidbit. I guess it is very possible she came across that theory from the random people contacting her after seeing my Reddit comment. I don't really want to bug her. I only talked to her back then because she contacted me. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 18:39, 4 October 2025 (EDT)
			::She must have been aware of the theory because what she said only makes sense if she meant contacting Praetor. Claiming she didn't know Flutter existed until people sent her pictures contradicts the claim that she attempted to contact Flutter at Chris's request during the jail saga. [[User:CwckiChristorian\|CwckiChristorian]] ([[User talk:CwckiChristorian\|talk]]) 01:27, 5 October 2025 (EDT)