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ChanOfTartary: /* Question about pronouns */

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Question about pronouns

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	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	:: I would recommend making a guide on the preferred pronouns for each transgender people involved. I remember [[Help_talk:A Quick Guide to CWCki#Feedback: Pronouns and prominence\|asking this question]] before. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 23:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		:: I would recommend making a guide on the preferred pronouns for each transgender people involved. I remember [[Help_talk:A Quick Guide to CWCki#Feedback: Pronouns and prominence\|asking this question]] before. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 23:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			:::Yes, I was aware of that discussion, though no real conclusion had come of it other than confirming that we continue calling Chris male. (That was what had prompted me to make that protip.) Keeping the natural pronouns is more in line with the general habits used discussing these exceptional individuals on the Farms, and on the whole, staying with them would be more consistent a policy than evaluating how TRUE and HONEST each transsexual who happens to enter Chris's life is, especially because new parties might appear at any time. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 01:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
	: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Little Owl at 23:57, 16 December 2019

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	: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			:: I would recommend making a guide on the preferred pronouns for each transgender people involved. I remember [[Help_talk:A Quick Guide to CWCki#Feedback: Pronouns and prominence\|asking this question]] before. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 23:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

4CentUser at 21:26, 16 December 2019

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	: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

4CentUser at 21:25, 16 December 2019

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	: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Question about pronouns */

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Question about pronouns

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	Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason Chris is referred to by male pronouns on the CWCki was to keep old articles consistent with new ones. That's what it says on the template at the top of [[Transgender\|this page,]] so I'm a bit confused as to why all articles about trans people are being changed to use their old pronouns. I haven't been on the site for a while. Has a policy been changed or something? [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 19:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason Chris is referred to by male pronouns on the CWCki was to keep old articles consistent with new ones. That's what it says on the template at the top of [[Transgender\|this page,]] so I'm a bit confused as to why all articles about trans people are being changed to use their old pronouns. I haven't been on the site for a while. Has a policy been changed or something? [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 19:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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Question about pronouns

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	== Question about pronouns ==		== Question about pronouns ==
	Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason Chris is referred to by male pronouns on the CWCki was to keep old articles consistent with new ones. That's what it says on the template at the top of [[Transgender\|this page,]] so I'm a bit confused as to why all articles about trans people are being changed to use their old pronouns. I haven't been on the site for a while. Has a policy been changed or something? [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 19:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason Chris is referred to by male pronouns on the CWCki was to keep old articles consistent with new ones. That's what it says on the template at the top of [[Transgender\|this page,]] so I'm a bit confused as to why all articles about trans people are being changed to use their old pronouns. I haven't been on the site for a while. Has a policy been changed or something? [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 19:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

4CentUser: question about pronoun policies

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question about pronoun policies

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== Question about pronouns ==
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the reason Chris is referred to by male pronouns on the CWCki was to keep old articles consistent with new ones. That's what it says on the template at the top of [[Transgender|this page,]] so I'm a bit confused as to why all articles about trans people are being changed to use their old pronouns. I haven't been on the site for a while. Has a policy been changed or something? [[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 19:37, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	:: I would recommend making a guide on the preferred pronouns for each transgender people involved. I remember [[Help_talk:A Quick Guide to CWCki#Feedback: Pronouns and prominence\|asking this question]] before. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 23:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		:: I would recommend making a guide on the preferred pronouns for each transgender people involved. I remember [[Help_talk:A Quick Guide to CWCki#Feedback: Pronouns and prominence\|asking this question]] before. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 23:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			:::Yes, I was aware of that discussion, though no real conclusion had come of it other than confirming that we continue calling Chris male. (That was what had prompted me to make that protip.) Keeping the natural pronouns is more in line with the general habits used discussing these exceptional individuals on the Farms, and on the whole, staying with them would be more consistent a policy than evaluating how TRUE and HONEST each transsexual who happens to enter Chris's life is, especially because new parties might appear at any time. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 01:19, 17 December 2019 (UTC)
	: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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	: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			:: I would recommend making a guide on the preferred pronouns for each transgender people involved. I remember [[Help_talk:A Quick Guide to CWCki#Feedback: Pronouns and prominence\|asking this question]] before. --[[User:Little Owl\|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl\|talk]]) 23:57, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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	: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)

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	: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: I was the one who wrote that template ''and'' changed the others to their natural pronouns as well. The other transsexuals in Chris's life thus far are [[weens]] or enablers, like Cherry or the [[Teen Troon Squad]], or else fictional aliases like [[Jeff Ouzuo]], and it would be strange to indulge them in this one point when we otherwise accept what they say with a grain of salt. Moreover it is, on the whole, more consistent simply to refer to all by their natural sex, instead of some (such as Chris) by their natural and others by their self-proclaimed. [[User:ChanOfTartary\|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary\|talk]]) 20:26, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
	: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)		: We should have a template for transgender people, to make it clear what they identify as. Otherwise it might be confusing. Like this article now refers to Stone with male pronouns, in the context of Stone trying to be Chris's sweetheart - which he was identifying as female for. Something like, "This person identifies as MTF transgender" (for Chris/Stone) and "This person identifies as FTM transgender (for Lukas of the Troon Squad/Nowacking). [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 20:51, 16 December 2019 (UTC)
			Alright, thanks for clarifying. That's what I thought was the reason, but it helps to know for sure. [[User:4CentUser\|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser\|talk]]) 21:25, 16 December 2019 (UTC)