Talk:Nathanael Greene Elementary School - Revision history

Hurtful Truth Level: /* The institution */

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	The part on his parents potential reasons should probably be cut for being speculative. What's the source for "They, by Chris's own admission, thought that the school was going to lock Chris up in a padded cell or straitjacket for the rest of his life with no chances to make friends ever, or possibly lobotomize him."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:27, 29 November 2025 (EST)		The part on his parents potential reasons should probably be cut for being speculative. What's the source for "They, by Chris's own admission, thought that the school was going to lock Chris up in a padded cell or straitjacket for the rest of his life with no chances to make friends ever, or possibly lobotomize him."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:27, 29 November 2025 (EST)
	:I think it might be something Chris said, maybe it just needs rephrasing. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 17:18, 29 November 2025 (EST)		:I think it might be something Chris said, maybe it just needs rephrasing. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 17:18, 29 November 2025 (EST)
			::I can't find the source for it. Keywords like lobotomize, padded cell or straitjacket just leads to this page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 10:41, 6 December 2025 (EST)

Master: /* The institution */

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	The part on his parents potential reasons should probably be cut for being speculative. What's the source for "They, by Chris's own admission, thought that the school was going to lock Chris up in a padded cell or straitjacket for the rest of his life with no chances to make friends ever, or possibly lobotomize him."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:27, 29 November 2025 (EST)		The part on his parents potential reasons should probably be cut for being speculative. What's the source for "They, by Chris's own admission, thought that the school was going to lock Chris up in a padded cell or straitjacket for the rest of his life with no chances to make friends ever, or possibly lobotomize him."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:27, 29 November 2025 (EST)
			:I think it might be something Chris said, maybe it just needs rephrasing. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 17:18, 29 November 2025 (EST)

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	* I've always figured that Chris had some sort of tantrum when [[Song_of_Christian\|he got his first 'F']] and it snowballed into the incident as a whole.--[[User:MoarLurk\|MoarLurk]] ([[User talk:MoarLurk\|talk]]) 19:03, 16 January 2016 (UTC)		* I've always figured that Chris had some sort of tantrum when [[Song_of_Christian\|he got his first 'F']] and it snowballed into the incident as a whole.--[[User:MoarLurk\|MoarLurk]] ([[User talk:MoarLurk\|talk]]) 19:03, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

			== The institution ==

			The part on his parents potential reasons should probably be cut for being speculative. What's the source for "They, by Chris's own admission, thought that the school was going to lock Chris up in a padded cell or straitjacket for the rest of his life with no chances to make friends ever, or possibly lobotomize him."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:27, 29 November 2025 (EST)

MoarLurk at 19:03, 16 January 2016

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	The reason why I didn't add this to the page myself (at least right now) is that I'm not that well-versed in all things Chris and don't know if he even has a history of meltdowns. Meltdowns often improve by adulthood or may be replaced with fits of anger and destructiveness, so this would explain why he doesn't seem to have them anymore. They've just morphed into something that less resembles your classic tantrum. --[[User:Thelp\|Thelp]] ([[User talk:Thelp\|talk]]) 21:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)		The reason why I didn't add this to the page myself (at least right now) is that I'm not that well-versed in all things Chris and don't know if he even has a history of meltdowns. Meltdowns often improve by adulthood or may be replaced with fits of anger and destructiveness, so this would explain why he doesn't seem to have them anymore. They've just morphed into something that less resembles your classic tantrum. --[[User:Thelp\|Thelp]] ([[User talk:Thelp\|talk]]) 21:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

			* I've always figured that Chris had some sort of tantrum when [[Song_of_Christian\|he got his first 'F']] and it snowballed into the incident as a whole.--[[User:MoarLurk\|MoarLurk]] ([[User talk:MoarLurk\|talk]]) 19:03, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Thelp: /* "Abuse" incident truthfulness */ new section

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	:*I'm going to try anyway. I'm going to send them a letter and see what happens. I mean, at worst, they say no, and at best, we have a beautiful, clear, and potentially hilarious view into the origins of Chris. Mind you, the letter will be going quite far in both directions, so it'll take a while before I get a response. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 15:35, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		:*I'm going to try anyway. I'm going to send them a letter and see what happens. I mean, at worst, they say no, and at best, we have a beautiful, clear, and potentially hilarious view into the origins of Chris. Mind you, the letter will be going quite far in both directions, so it'll take a while before I get a response. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 15:35, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
	::*I just got a letter back from the Greene County Court Clerk, and I'm afraid the news is disappointing. This is what is written, dated Nov 1, 2010: "All records are held for 10 yrs. 1999 and back have been expunged. If it possibly was a felony, you would need to chk Circurt Ct PO Box 386 Stan. Va. 22973 [sic]" Since there probably weren't any felony charges related to the case, then I'm afraid that the only way we'll ever know what really happened that day will be if we ever get our hands on the Autism Papers. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 19:47, 8 November 2010 (PST)		::*I just got a letter back from the Greene County Court Clerk, and I'm afraid the news is disappointing. This is what is written, dated Nov 1, 2010: "All records are held for 10 yrs. 1999 and back have been expunged. If it possibly was a felony, you would need to chk Circurt Ct PO Box 386 Stan. Va. 22973 [sic]" Since there probably weren't any felony charges related to the case, then I'm afraid that the only way we'll ever know what really happened that day will be if we ever get our hands on the Autism Papers. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 19:47, 8 November 2010 (PST)

			== "Abuse" incident truthfulness ==

			It's possible that Chris is telling the truth, albeit a dramatic version, about the so-called abuse incident as it may have been the school staff's reaction to an autism-related meltdown. Oftentimes the child having a meltdown must be restrained or confined in order to keep them from hurting themselves. I've heard of incidents where the meltdown was recorded to document what was going on in case a parent flipped out over their child's injuries and accused the school of abuse. This occasionally shows up on not-quite-news sites like the Daily Mail and the articles always, without fail, take the side of the angry parents. ("Mom outraged that autistic son restrained in a high chair!" "Videos reveal autistic student kept in a pen by mean old teacher!")

			The reason why I didn't add this to the page myself (at least right now) is that I'm not that well-versed in all things Chris and don't know if he even has a history of meltdowns. Meltdowns often improve by adulthood or may be replaced with fits of anger and destructiveness, so this would explain why he doesn't seem to have them anymore. They've just morphed into something that less resembles your classic tantrum. --[[User:Thelp\|Thelp]] ([[User talk:Thelp\|talk]]) 21:09, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

Turnabout: /* Court Records */

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	*You probably are. I highly doubt they'd release those records to people like us.--[[User:Trombonista\|trombonista]] 15:22, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		*You probably are. I highly doubt they'd release those records to people like us.--[[User:Trombonista\|trombonista]] 15:22, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
	:*I'm going to try anyway. I'm going to send them a letter and see what happens. I mean, at worst, they say no, and at best, we have a beautiful, clear, and potentially hilarious view into the origins of Chris. Mind you, the letter will be going quite far in both directions, so it'll take a while before I get a response. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 15:35, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		:*I'm going to try anyway. I'm going to send them a letter and see what happens. I mean, at worst, they say no, and at best, we have a beautiful, clear, and potentially hilarious view into the origins of Chris. Mind you, the letter will be going quite far in both directions, so it'll take a while before I get a response. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 15:35, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
			::*I just got a letter back from the Greene County Court Clerk, and I'm afraid the news is disappointing. This is what is written, dated Nov 1, 2010: "All records are held for 10 yrs. 1999 and back have been expunged. If it possibly was a felony, you would need to chk Circurt Ct PO Box 386 Stan. Va. 22973 [sic]" Since there probably weren't any felony charges related to the case, then I'm afraid that the only way we'll ever know what really happened that day will be if we ever get our hands on the Autism Papers. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 19:47, 8 November 2010 (PST)

Turnabout: /* Court Records */

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	==Court Records==		==Court Records==
	What are the odds that we could get our hands on a court statement of what actually happened? Bob took this thing to the courts, so there's going to be records somewhere, but I have really no idea how the American courts work, or if those records are made public. I found the [http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/combined/greene/home.html contact information] for the clerk at the Greene General Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court (I can only assume this is the court where the whole thing went down). There's no e-mail, and I'm not going to call Virgina from Canada for such a silly reason, but I'm tempted to send a letter, bluntly asking if I can see the records. Do any Americunts versed in juvenile law know if I'm setting my hopes too high? [[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 14:57, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		What are the odds that we could get our hands on a court statement of what actually happened? Bob took this thing to the courts, so there's going to be records somewhere, but I have really no idea how the American courts work, or if those records are made public. I found the [http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/combined/greene/home.html contact information] for the clerk at the Greene General Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court (I can only assume this is the court where the whole thing went down). There's no e-mail, and I'm not going to call Virgina from Canada for such a silly reason, but I'm tempted to send a letter, bluntly asking if I can see the records. Do any Americunts versed in juvenile law know if I'm setting my hopes too high? --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 14:57, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
	*You probably are. I highly doubt they'd release those records to people like us.--[[User:Trombonista\|trombonista]] 15:22, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		*You probably are. I highly doubt they'd release those records to people like us.--[[User:Trombonista\|trombonista]] 15:22, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
			:*I'm going to try anyway. I'm going to send them a letter and see what happens. I mean, at worst, they say no, and at best, we have a beautiful, clear, and potentially hilarious view into the origins of Chris. Mind you, the letter will be going quite far in both directions, so it'll take a while before I get a response. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 15:35, 21 October 2010 (PDT)

Trombonista at 22:22, 21 October 2010

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	==Court Records==		==Court Records==
	What are the odds that we could get our hands on a court statement of what actually happened? Bob took this thing to the courts, so there's going to be records somewhere, but I have really no idea how the American courts work, or if those records are made public. I found the [http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/combined/greene/home.html contact information] for the clerk at the Greene General Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court (I can only assume this is the court where the whole thing went down). There's no e-mail, and I'm not going to call Virgina from Canada for such a silly reason, but I'm tempted to send a letter, bluntly asking if I can see the records. Do any Americunts versed in juvenile law know if I'm setting my hopes too high? [[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 14:57, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		What are the odds that we could get our hands on a court statement of what actually happened? Bob took this thing to the courts, so there's going to be records somewhere, but I have really no idea how the American courts work, or if those records are made public. I found the [http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/combined/greene/home.html contact information] for the clerk at the Greene General Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court (I can only assume this is the court where the whole thing went down). There's no e-mail, and I'm not going to call Virgina from Canada for such a silly reason, but I'm tempted to send a letter, bluntly asking if I can see the records. Do any Americunts versed in juvenile law know if I'm setting my hopes too high? [[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 14:57, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
			*You probably are. I highly doubt they'd release those records to people like us.--[[User:Trombonista\|trombonista]] 15:22, 21 October 2010 (PDT)

Turnabout at 21:57, 21 October 2010

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	I remember a letter writer in one Mailbag who claimed he'd gotten ahold of the court records and according to them Chris put a kid in the hospital by nearly biting off his nose. The records supposedly also state he frequently threw screaming fits in class and one such incident was what wound up getting recorded. Is there any sauce/confirmation on any of this or was it just made up? Chris seemed surprised by the nose-biting thing and denied it, but he IS a liar... --[[User:Lokiskywalker\|Lokiskywalker]] 07:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)		I remember a letter writer in one Mailbag who claimed he'd gotten ahold of the court records and according to them Chris put a kid in the hospital by nearly biting off his nose. The records supposedly also state he frequently threw screaming fits in class and one such incident was what wound up getting recorded. Is there any sauce/confirmation on any of this or was it just made up? Chris seemed surprised by the nose-biting thing and denied it, but he IS a liar... --[[User:Lokiskywalker\|Lokiskywalker]] 07:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
	*Mailbag 24. There's no sauce provided and I have no idea how to check, but I'll look around and see if I find anything. [[User:Freecell\|Freecell]] 07:39, 2 August 2010 (PDT)		*Mailbag 24. There's no sauce provided and I have no idea how to check, but I'll look around and see if I find anything. [[User:Freecell\|Freecell]] 07:39, 2 August 2010 (PDT)

			==Court Records==
			What are the odds that we could get our hands on a court statement of what actually happened? Bob took this thing to the courts, so there's going to be records somewhere, but I have really no idea how the American courts work, or if those records are made public. I found the [http://www.courts.state.va.us/courts/combined/greene/home.html contact information] for the clerk at the Greene General Juvenile and Domestic Relations District Court (I can only assume this is the court where the whole thing went down). There's no e-mail, and I'm not going to call Virgina from Canada for such a silly reason, but I'm tempted to send a letter, bluntly asking if I can see the records. Do any Americunts versed in juvenile law know if I'm setting my hopes too high? [[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 14:57, 21 October 2010 (PDT)

Freecell at 14:39, 2 August 2010

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	I remember a letter writer in one Mailbag who claimed he'd gotten ahold of the court records and according to them Chris put a kid in the hospital by nearly biting off his nose. The records supposedly also state he frequently threw screaming fits in class and one such incident was what wound up getting recorded. Is there any sauce/confirmation on any of this or was it just made up? Chris seemed surprised by the nose-biting thing and denied it, but he IS a liar... --[[User:Lokiskywalker\|Lokiskywalker]] 07:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)		I remember a letter writer in one Mailbag who claimed he'd gotten ahold of the court records and according to them Chris put a kid in the hospital by nearly biting off his nose. The records supposedly also state he frequently threw screaming fits in class and one such incident was what wound up getting recorded. Is there any sauce/confirmation on any of this or was it just made up? Chris seemed surprised by the nose-biting thing and denied it, but he IS a liar... --[[User:Lokiskywalker\|Lokiskywalker]] 07:17, 2 August 2010 (UTC)
			*Mailbag 24. There's no sauce provided and I have no idea how to check, but I'll look around and see if I find anything. [[User:Freecell\|Freecell]] 07:39, 2 August 2010 (PDT)

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	The part on his parents potential reasons should probably be cut for being speculative. What's the source for "They, by Chris's own admission, thought that the school was going to lock Chris up in a padded cell or straitjacket for the rest of his life with no chances to make friends ever, or possibly lobotomize him."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:27, 29 November 2025 (EST)		The part on his parents potential reasons should probably be cut for being speculative. What's the source for "They, by Chris's own admission, thought that the school was going to lock Chris up in a padded cell or straitjacket for the rest of his life with no chances to make friends ever, or possibly lobotomize him."? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 07:27, 29 November 2025 (EST)
	:I think it might be something Chris said, maybe it just needs rephrasing. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 17:18, 29 November 2025 (EST)		:I think it might be something Chris said, maybe it just needs rephrasing. [[User:Master\|Master]] ([[User talk:Master\|talk]]) 17:18, 29 November 2025 (EST)
			::I can't find the source for it. Keywords like lobotomize, padded cell or straitjacket just leads to this page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 10:41, 6 December 2025 (EST)

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	*You probably are. I highly doubt they'd release those records to people like us.--[[User:Trombonista\|trombonista]] 15:22, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		*You probably are. I highly doubt they'd release those records to people like us.--[[User:Trombonista\|trombonista]] 15:22, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
	:*I'm going to try anyway. I'm going to send them a letter and see what happens. I mean, at worst, they say no, and at best, we have a beautiful, clear, and potentially hilarious view into the origins of Chris. Mind you, the letter will be going quite far in both directions, so it'll take a while before I get a response. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 15:35, 21 October 2010 (PDT)		:*I'm going to try anyway. I'm going to send them a letter and see what happens. I mean, at worst, they say no, and at best, we have a beautiful, clear, and potentially hilarious view into the origins of Chris. Mind you, the letter will be going quite far in both directions, so it'll take a while before I get a response. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 15:35, 21 October 2010 (PDT)
			::*I just got a letter back from the Greene County Court Clerk, and I'm afraid the news is disappointing. This is what is written, dated Nov 1, 2010: "All records are held for 10 yrs. 1999 and back have been expunged. If it possibly was a felony, you would need to chk Circurt Ct PO Box 386 Stan. Va. 22973 [sic]" Since there probably weren't any felony charges related to the case, then I'm afraid that the only way we'll ever know what really happened that day will be if we ever get our hands on the Autism Papers. --[[User:Turnabout\|Turnabout]] 19:47, 8 November 2010 (PST)