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Hurtful Truth Level: /* Splitting up article */

2023-07-21T22:36:45Z

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	::There was [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Miscreants&oldid=218848 an old article for The Miscreants] but it was eventually redirected to the Trolls page since it didn't have much info on it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)		::There was [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Miscreants&oldid=218848 an old article for The Miscreants] but it was eventually redirected to the Trolls page since it didn't have much info on it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

			:::Thinking of renaming the [[Minor Watchmen Members]] page to just Watchmen Members and moving the "Players" list from this page to it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 18:36, 21 July 2023 (EDT)
	===I kind of agree===		===I kind of agree===
	Maybe we should just reserve all the discord server info for its own special article		Maybe we should just reserve all the discord server info for its own special article
	- [[User:Anemichu\|Anemichu]] ([[User talk:Anemichu\|talk]]) 23:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)		- [[User:Anemichu\|Anemichu]] ([[User talk:Anemichu\|talk]]) 23:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Anemichu: /* Splitting up article */

2023-01-16T23:47:05Z

Splitting up article

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	In [[MKR DMs]] Chris said that MKR, Naught and Kyle were a "toxic trio" and that he wouldn't be returning to their Discord group. How should this be included in the article? Should a section be made for the term or should it just be mentioned in The Place, Bismuth, MKR, and Kyle sections? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 10:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)		In [[MKR DMs]] Chris said that MKR, Naught and Kyle were a "toxic trio" and that he wouldn't be returning to their Discord group. How should this be included in the article? Should a section be made for the term or should it just be mentioned in The Place, Bismuth, MKR, and Kyle sections? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 10:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

	== Splitting up article ==		==Splitting up article==

	In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
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	::There was [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Miscreants&oldid=218848 an old article for The Miscreants] but it was eventually redirected to the Trolls page since it didn't have much info on it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)		::There was [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Miscreants&oldid=218848 an old article for The Miscreants] but it was eventually redirected to the Trolls page since it didn't have much info on it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)
			===I kind of agree===
			Maybe we should just reserve all the discord server info for its own special article
			- [[User:Anemichu\|Anemichu]] ([[User talk:Anemichu\|talk]]) 23:53, 16 January 2023 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Splitting up article */

2022-08-19T00:37:41Z

Splitting up article

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	:Yeah, I like that plan, I'd say we treat the Watchmen the same way we treat the Miscreants, where we acknowledge they're an important group, but don't give them an article of their own. As for what to do with the "members" section, I propose repurposing the [[Other enablers]] page, and give it the same format as the [[Trolls]] page, where we give the Watchmen a section, the same way the Miscreants are a section on the trolls page. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 22:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		:Yeah, I like that plan, I'd say we treat the Watchmen the same way we treat the Miscreants, where we acknowledge they're an important group, but don't give them an article of their own. As for what to do with the "members" section, I propose repurposing the [[Other enablers]] page, and give it the same format as the [[Trolls]] page, where we give the Watchmen a section, the same way the Miscreants are a section on the trolls page. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 22:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

			::There was [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Miscreants&oldid=218848 an old article for The Miscreants] but it was eventually redirected to the Trolls page since it didn't have much info on it. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 00:37, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

PsychoNerd054: /* Splitting up article */

2022-08-05T23:07:01Z

Splitting up article

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	In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

	:Yeah, I like that plan, I'd say we treat the Watchmen the same way we treat the Miscreants, where we acknowledge they're an important group, but don't give them an article of their own. As for what to do with the "members" section, I propose repurposing the [[Other enablers]] page, and give it the same format as the [[Trolls]] page. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 22:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		:Yeah, I like that plan, I'd say we treat the Watchmen the same way we treat the Miscreants, where we acknowledge they're an important group, but don't give them an article of their own. As for what to do with the "members" section, I propose repurposing the [[Other enablers]] page, and give it the same format as the [[Trolls]] page, where we give the Watchmen a section, the same way the Miscreants are a section on the trolls page. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 22:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

PsychoNerd054: /* Splitting up article */

2022-08-05T23:06:14Z

Splitting up article

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	In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

	:Yeah, I like that plan, I'd say we treat the Watchmen the same way we treat the Miscreants, where we acknowledge they're an important group, but don't give them an article of their own. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 22:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		:Yeah, I like that plan, I'd say we treat the Watchmen the same way we treat the Miscreants, where we acknowledge they're an important group, but don't give them an article of their own. As for what to do with the "members" section, I propose repurposing the [[Other enablers]] page, and give it the same format as the [[Trolls]] page. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 22:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

PsychoNerd054: /* Splitting up article */

2022-08-05T22:31:05Z

Splitting up article

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	In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)		In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

			:Yeah, I like that plan, I'd say we treat the Watchmen the same way we treat the Miscreants, where we acknowledge they're an important group, but don't give them an article of their own. [[User:PsychoNerd054\|Psycho]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054\|talk]]) 22:31, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Splitting up article */ new section

2022-08-05T22:25:04Z

Splitting up article: new section

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	In [[MKR DMs]] Chris said that MKR, Naught and Kyle were a "toxic trio" and that he wouldn't be returning to their Discord group. How should this be included in the article? Should a section be made for the term or should it just be mentioned in The Place, Bismuth, MKR, and Kyle sections? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 10:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)		In [[MKR DMs]] Chris said that MKR, Naught and Kyle were a "toxic trio" and that he wouldn't be returning to their Discord group. How should this be included in the article? Should a section be made for the term or should it just be mentioned in The Place, Bismuth, MKR, and Kyle sections? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 10:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

			== Splitting up article ==

			In addition to the proposal in [[Template talk:WatchmenSaga]] to split the Watchmen Saga, should we split up the Watchmen article itself? It could be split into [[The Place]] and [[The Knights of CWC]]. I think this would better reflect differences between the groups (The Place being prone to infighting and The Knights being less aggressive towards other Chris orbiters). [[Watchmen]] could possibly be revised (retaining The Players and Discord sections) or redirected to The Place (since the "Watchmen" name was created to describe people in The Place. Thoughts? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 22:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Hurtful Truth Level: /* Toxic Trio */ new section

2021-12-22T10:23:59Z

Toxic Trio: new section

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	: When you're right, you're right. I'm not fond of the division either and you make a valid point that (most of us at least) are working with incomplete information. For all we know there was much more going on that hasn't leaked yet. There probably is. Don't worry. Everything comes out in the end. Someone will get pissed off or clout hungry enough to leak stuff eventually. But for now (a) your suggestion here is sensible and (b) it might be sensible to make some sort of general statement that not all the facts here are public. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)		: When you're right, you're right. I'm not fond of the division either and you make a valid point that (most of us at least) are working with incomplete information. For all we know there was much more going on that hasn't leaked yet. There probably is. Don't worry. Everything comes out in the end. Someone will get pissed off or clout hungry enough to leak stuff eventually. But for now (a) your suggestion here is sensible and (b) it might be sensible to make some sort of general statement that not all the facts here are public. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

			== Toxic Trio ==

			In [[MKR DMs]] Chris said that MKR, Naught and Kyle were a "toxic trio" and that he wouldn't be returning to their Discord group. How should this be included in the article? Should a section be made for the term or should it just be mentioned in The Place, Bismuth, MKR, and Kyle sections? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 10:23, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

Ihasnoname: /* Kyle suicide baiting */

2021-11-29T09:34:54Z

Kyle suicide baiting

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	::I think it can give a misleading picture on his character and role with Chris. Because there's very little about him, so to have the suicide bait thing be the key thing on him, even though it doesn't relate to his dealings with Chris, seems like an issue. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)		::I think it can give a misleading picture on his character and role with Chris. Because there's very little about him, so to have the suicide bait thing be the key thing on him, even though it doesn't relate to his dealings with Chris, seems like an issue. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level\|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level\|talk]]) 19:21, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
	:::If this is a "misleading" portrait of Kyle, a person who you should clarify that you have had personal contact with, by the way, then you should share the logs which you have admitted are in your possession if they provide mitigating context to the leak that is on lolcow.org. That you haven't done this suggests strongly that they don't, and thus this begins to look like another instance of people covering for friends. Not, as they say, a good look. The suicide-baiting thing is ''absolutely'' key to understanding his role in this stuff because it tells us a bit about who we are dealing with, both in Kyle's specific case and the general caliber of the people who were interacting with Chris in this way (after all, and again going on the limited leaks we have, MKR and Naught, if not others on the server, seemed to find this all very funny.) Taking it down would not only deprive the Wiki of this information but would further undermine it's credibility in general. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)		:::If this is a "misleading" portrait of Kyle, a person who you should clarify that you have had personal contact with, by the way, then you should share the logs which you have admitted are in your possession if they provide mitigating context to the leak that is on lolcow.org. That you haven't done this suggests strongly that they don't, and thus this begins to look like another instance of people covering for friends. Not, as they say, a good look. The suicide-baiting thing is ''absolutely'' key to understanding his role in this stuff because it tells us a bit about who we are dealing with, both in Kyle's specific case and the general caliber of the people who were interacting with Chris in this way (after all, and again going on the limited leaks we have, MKR and Naught, if not others on the server, seemed to find this all very funny.) Taking it down would not only deprive the Wiki of this information but would further undermine it's credibility in general. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

			note: I suck at editing im not trying to fuck things up, but this is so stupid.
			Kyle was suicidal and he said the worker wanted to kill themselves you absolute fucken speds.

	== Merging major and minor ==		== Merging major and minor ==

SpookyBones: /* Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list? */

2021-10-26T22:42:34Z

Should Klop and Anaxis be put under the known members list?

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	:Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)		:Quite recently, as part of a deep dive into the CWCKi server leaks and into Sean's antics generally. Anaxis and Klop are collateral damage, really, but nonetheless information about their role came out and will probably continue to come out. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 07:42, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

	I just found Anaxis doing essentially what amounts to [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&curid=32303&diff=271732&oldid=267096 wiki-socking with the Lainchu account] (a lot of that going around, eh?), lmao. There's a lot of serious nonsense going on here and I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface by looking into shit casually. You guys need to clean house in a big way. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 22:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)		I just found [[User:Anaxis]] doing essentially what amounts to [https://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=The_Journey_to_the_Merge&curid=32303&diff=271732&oldid=267096 wiki-socking with the Lainchu account] (a lot of that going around, eh?), lmao. There's a lot of serious nonsense going on here and I'm sure I'm just scratching the surface by looking into shit casually. You guys need to clean house in a big way. [[User:SpookyBones\|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones\|talk]]) 22:41, 26 October 2021 (UTC)

	== Sean Walker ==		== Sean Walker ==