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Borednewb at 09:17, 17 August 2010

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	#his absolute contempt for authority just about everywhere else! (c.f. [[Jerkops]], [[Manajerks]], [[MLW]]...)		#his absolute contempt for authority just about everywhere else! (c.f. [[Jerkops]], [[Manajerks]], [[MLW]]...)
	:Now, maybe the missing link is that Chris desires only authority that he doesn't find offensive. When BlueSpike was able to con Chris into doing all sorts of unspeakable acts, it was because Chris was able to accept "her" authority in order to further his goal of china. But when a JERK was just doing his job (and thereby hindering Chris's goal), that was a ticket to the bottom of the Scale of Respect. What do you think? --[[User:SeventhBase\|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase\|Base]] 10:16, 16 August 2010 (PDT)		:Now, maybe the missing link is that Chris desires only authority that he doesn't find offensive. When BlueSpike was able to con Chris into doing all sorts of unspeakable acts, it was because Chris was able to accept "her" authority in order to further his goal of china. But when a JERK was just doing his job (and thereby hindering Chris's goal), that was a ticket to the bottom of the Scale of Respect. What do you think? --[[User:SeventhBase\|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase\|Base]] 10:16, 16 August 2010 (PDT)
			::This... Explains a lot, actually.
			::Change "authority that he doesn't find offensive" with "authority that tells him what he wants to hear" and you've got something. Keep in mind, Chris expects things to fall into his lap (his winning a contest of life or something) so when an authority tells him what he wants to hear ("Do X and you'll get to have sex with me and thus prove your adulthood") it fits his worldview, so he pays attention to it. However if an authority tells him something that breaches his worldview it is as if they have breached his trust. He trusts authorities to give him what he wants, if they do otherwise then in his mind they must not be genuine authorities, which means they must be the corrupt and therefore must be bad guys. I'd love to sit down and write more on this idea, but a recent job situation means I don't have much spare time at the moment. -- [[User:Borednewb\|Borednewb]] 02:17, 17 August 2010 (PDT)

SeventhBase: /* Have you considered this angle? */

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Have you considered this angle?

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	In general, you seem to be fairly on the money. Chris MUST refute the slanderous statements trolls make about him, otherwise in his childish viewpoint they become fact. Of course, he seems to have abandoned this perspective in recent times, leaving the trolls to say what they will. It seems that Chris has an inherent respect and desire for an authority over him to tell him what to do. -- [[User:Borednewb\|Borednewb]] 11:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)		In general, you seem to be fairly on the money. Chris MUST refute the slanderous statements trolls make about him, otherwise in his childish viewpoint they become fact. Of course, he seems to have abandoned this perspective in recent times, leaving the trolls to say what they will. It seems that Chris has an inherent respect and desire for an authority over him to tell him what to do. -- [[User:Borednewb\|Borednewb]] 11:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

			:"It seems that Chris has an inherent respect and desire for an authority over him to tell him what to do." Wow, that adds a whole 'nother dimension to the Unified Theory! It not only explains his relationship with his parents, but also with trolls and so-called sweethearts. However, that doesn't quite square with two things:
			#His fear of loss of control, and
			#his absolute contempt for authority just about everywhere else! (c.f. [[Jerkops]], [[Manajerks]], [[MLW]]...)
			:Now, maybe the missing link is that Chris desires only authority that he doesn't find offensive. When BlueSpike was able to con Chris into doing all sorts of unspeakable acts, it was because Chris was able to accept "her" authority in order to further his goal of china. But when a JERK was just doing his job (and thereby hindering Chris's goal), that was a ticket to the bottom of the Scale of Respect. What do you think? --[[User:SeventhBase\|Seventh]][[User Talk:SeventhBase\|Base]] 10:16, 16 August 2010 (PDT)

Thepicklesuitintheman: /* Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum */

2010-07-24T17:26:47Z

Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum

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	:Okay, so, I concluded my remarks on this in [[CWCki:Speculation\|the Speculation]] by saying ''fuck'' you guys. I'd just like to take a moment to take a step back and introduce my comments here by saying ''fuck'' you guys. Chris isn't a sociopath--he's incredibly childish, socially isolated, desperate, totally ignorant of what other people want, and totally ignorant of the way autism affects his ability to give it to them. He just plain hasn't been in enough social situations to learn--or learn the necessity of--certain skills. All the elements of sociopathy could be applied to a generic child at some point or another and the essence of autism is difficulty with empathy. I totally understand how these separate conditions look similar because they ''are'' similar. But that's not how diagnosis works. For one thing, I'm convinced Chris is selectively mute hence the noviophobia and attraction signs, but it wouldn't be proper to diagnose that or to treat that or consider that separate from his--or anyone else's--autism. I mean, that's not quite a thing in and of itself, but sake of argument, etc. They're connected. One is epiphenomenal upon the other. He was even universally mute at one point. He's got issues with speech. He's got issues with empathy. Just because a guy's stumbling around and smells like liquor doesn't mean he ''is'' drunk. It means he's ''probably'' drunk. The deal with probability is that the more information you get, the less relevant it is. If you just bump into him on the street like, you should probably assume the more likely. But if you're an ER technician or something and it's been a couple hours and he's lost the ability to perceive the left side of things, you might want to adjust your theory. The guy could've just had a couple drinks and a massive stroke. You've got to look at the surrounding issues.		:Okay, so, I concluded my remarks on this in [[CWCki:Speculation\|the Speculation]] by saying ''fuck'' you guys. I'd just like to take a moment to take a step back and introduce my comments here by saying ''fuck'' you guys. Chris isn't a sociopath--he's incredibly childish, socially isolated, desperate, totally ignorant of what other people want, and totally ignorant of the way autism affects his ability to give it to them. He just plain hasn't been in enough social situations to learn--or learn the necessity of--certain skills. All the elements of sociopathy could be applied to a generic child at some point or another and the essence of autism is difficulty with empathy. I totally understand how these separate conditions look similar because they ''are'' similar. But that's not how diagnosis works. For one thing, I'm convinced Chris is selectively mute hence the noviophobia and attraction signs, but it wouldn't be proper to diagnose that or to treat that or consider that separate from his--or anyone else's--autism. I mean, that's not quite a thing in and of itself, but sake of argument, etc. They're connected. One is epiphenomenal upon the other. He was even universally mute at one point. He's got issues with speech. He's got issues with empathy. Just because a guy's stumbling around and smells like liquor doesn't mean he ''is'' drunk. It means he's ''probably'' drunk. The deal with probability is that the more information you get, the less relevant it is. If you just bump into him on the street like, you should probably assume the more likely. But if you're an ER technician or something and it's been a couple hours and he's lost the ability to perceive the left side of things, you might want to adjust your theory. The guy could've just had a couple drinks and a massive stroke. You've got to look at the surrounding issues.

	For one thing, Chris's invasive and violative behavior with women is based on his bizarre fucking ideas about what dating is. He invents retarded rules about how people should behave and then strictly follows them. He's not amoral the way a sociopath is. He's hypermoral. Helps... I think I already mentioned this in the Speculation, but it helps that his parents are morons. Like, his mom thought Michael Snyder was out of line for not offering her a chair when ''she was trespassing.''		:For one thing, Chris's invasive and violative behavior with women is based on his bizarre fucking ideas about what dating is. He invents retarded rules about how people should behave and then strictly follows them. He's not amoral the way a sociopath is. He's hypermoral. Helps... I think I already mentioned this in the Speculation, but it helps that his parents are morons. Like, his mom thought Michael Snyder was out of line for not offering her a chair when ''she was trespassing.''

	I'm repeating myself. I'm not sure there's any more I can say and I don't know if I'm changing any minds here, so, this being the Internet, I'm just going to declare victory and not comment anymore. —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman\|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 17:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)		:I'm repeating myself. I'm not sure there's any more I can say and I don't know if I'm changing any minds here, so, this being the Internet, I'm just going to declare victory and not comment anymore. —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman\|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 17:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

	Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Thepicklesuitintheman: /* Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum */

2010-07-24T17:24:45Z

Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum

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	Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

			:Okay, so, I concluded my remarks on this in [[CWCki:Speculation\|the Speculation]] by saying ''fuck'' you guys. I'd just like to take a moment to take a step back and introduce my comments here by saying ''fuck'' you guys. Chris isn't a sociopath--he's incredibly childish, socially isolated, desperate, totally ignorant of what other people want, and totally ignorant of the way autism affects his ability to give it to them. He just plain hasn't been in enough social situations to learn--or learn the necessity of--certain skills. All the elements of sociopathy could be applied to a generic child at some point or another and the essence of autism is difficulty with empathy. I totally understand how these separate conditions look similar because they ''are'' similar. But that's not how diagnosis works. For one thing, I'm convinced Chris is selectively mute hence the noviophobia and attraction signs, but it wouldn't be proper to diagnose that or to treat that or consider that separate from his--or anyone else's--autism. I mean, that's not quite a thing in and of itself, but sake of argument, etc. They're connected. One is epiphenomenal upon the other. He was even universally mute at one point. He's got issues with speech. He's got issues with empathy. Just because a guy's stumbling around and smells like liquor doesn't mean he ''is'' drunk. It means he's ''probably'' drunk. The deal with probability is that the more information you get, the less relevant it is. If you just bump into him on the street like, you should probably assume the more likely. But if you're an ER technician or something and it's been a couple hours and he's lost the ability to perceive the left side of things, you might want to adjust your theory. The guy could've just had a couple drinks and a massive stroke. You've got to look at the surrounding issues.

			For one thing, Chris's invasive and violative behavior with women is based on his bizarre fucking ideas about what dating is. He invents retarded rules about how people should behave and then strictly follows them. He's not amoral the way a sociopath is. He's hypermoral. Helps... I think I already mentioned this in the Speculation, but it helps that his parents are morons. Like, his mom thought Michael Snyder was out of line for not offering her a chair when ''she was trespassing.''

			I'm repeating myself. I'm not sure there's any more I can say and I don't know if I'm changing any minds here, so, this being the Internet, I'm just going to declare victory and not comment anymore. —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman\|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 17:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

	Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Borednewb at 11:15, 22 July 2010

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	The "distilled statement" is not exactly a fully-developed gloss, but if this is already in your thesis, please point it out. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 07:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)		The "distilled statement" is not exactly a fully-developed gloss, but if this is already in your thesis, please point it out. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 07:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

			You're definately on the money with the statement about the power Chris puts into words. I honestly believe that Chris does not differentiate between words and reality. I can stand up in a crowded area and proclaim myself gay, without actually worrying about how that may influence my sexuality because I know there is a difference between a statement and fact. Chris, however, can only bring himself to state that he is gay if he is surrounded by what he believes count as proof of heterosexuality. This has two possible implications.

			1. Chris is incredibly self conscious about what people think about him. While it COULD be right (he often seems to justify himself, look up his videos where he justifies his low fitness in "Sonichu's Edge", or the one where he justifies shitting himself), I do not believe this is the case. Chris just does too much random shit without seeming to care how other people view it.
			2. Chris believes that a statement makes something true. By stating that he is gay, unless he somehow undermines it he actually BECOMES Gay. To use a childish metaphor, it is as if in Chris' mind every statement is backed up by a parent saying something is true "because I say so". Why do we cross the road when the light is green? Because I say so. Why am I straight? Because I say so.

			In general, you seem to be fairly on the money. Chris MUST refute the slanderous statements trolls make about him, otherwise in his childish viewpoint they become fact. Of course, he seems to have abandoned this perspective in recent times, leaving the trolls to say what they will. It seems that Chris has an inherent respect and desire for an authority over him to tell him what to do. -- [[User:Borednewb\|Borednewb]] 11:15, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

SeventhBase: /* Have you considered this angle? */

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Have you considered this angle?

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	'''Chris believes that words hold more power than actions or facts.'''		'''Chris believes that words hold more power than actions or facts.'''

	To normal people, it's the precise opposite; Words are absolutely empty unless backed by evidence or accompanying action. However, for Chris, he only needs to ''say'' something and it'll be taken as truth, regardless of anything to the contrary. This is how he is constantly able to be a [[hypocrite]] and yet remain oblivious. The Asperpedia saga being played out in the comics illustrates this. A normal person would be bewildered that the many apologetic words to Alec and Co. are paired with the depiction of their mutilation. Not so Chris: he thinks that making those words of apology is sufficient for everyone to understand that he has genuinely apologized, which means they won't notice him indulging his sick fantasies of executing the Asperpedia Four. While the rest of the world sees through this as insincere, he probably TRULY and HONESTLY believes he was being sincere.		To normal people, it's the precise opposite; Words are absolutely empty unless backed by evidence or accompanying action. However, for Chris, he only needs to ''say'' something and it'll be taken as truth, regardless of anything to the contrary. This is how he is constantly able to be a [[hypocrisy\|hypocrite]] and yet remain oblivious. The Asperpedia saga being played out in the comics illustrates this. A normal person would be bewildered that the many apologetic words to Alec and Co. are paired with the depiction of their mutilation. Not so Chris: he thinks that making those words of apology is sufficient for everyone to understand that he has genuinely apologized, which means they won't notice him indulging his sick fantasies of executing the Asperpedia Four. While the rest of the world sees through this as insincere (with quite a bit of cognitive dissonance), he probably TRULY and HONESTLY believes he was being sincere.

	It is also why he is able to lie with impunity: by making a statement, it is automatically true, regardless of the facts it is based on. Possibly to him, they're not lies, but simply assertions of the truth in his (constantly changing to fit his wants) world.		It is also why he is able to lie with impunity: by making a statement, it is automatically true, regardless of the facts it is based on. Possibly to him, they're not lies, but simply assertions of the truth in his (constantly changing to fit his wants) world.

SeventhBase: /* Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum */

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Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum

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	:One more revealing thing: Chris confessed in the comic pages that in high school, he would read R.L. Stine novels and imagine Sonic characters to be in their place. (This was probably well before Sonic degenerated into a recolor shitfest.) This shows that he can't even relate to ''fantasy'' humans on the account of being human (and not his own creation), and must imagine them as cartoon furries. (This might also explain why in the [[Giant Penis Comic]], he and Ivy fucking in their Chu forms... as well why he imagined himself in his Chu form in his own sexual fantasies with some other woman he was cybering that I can't name at the moment.) Coupled with his (possibly feigned possibly genuine) concern for the welfare of Asperchu ("He won't like having da Assburgers!) and Wild ("He'll be left all by his lonsome without Simonla!"), this shows that Chris is capable of empathy - for anthropomorphic cartoon characters, not humans. Or then again, maybe not: He might just be confusing his own selfish desires for concern for these furry creatures, like he does with real people all the time. That might explain the Simonla/Wild thing, which amounts to a control issue, but not the Asperchu/Mitch thing.		:One more revealing thing: Chris confessed in the comic pages that in high school, he would read R.L. Stine novels and imagine Sonic characters to be in their place. (This was probably well before Sonic degenerated into a recolor shitfest.) This shows that he can't even relate to ''fantasy'' humans on the account of being human (and not his own creation), and must imagine them as cartoon furries. (This might also explain why in the [[Giant Penis Comic]], he and Ivy fucking in their Chu forms... as well why he imagined himself in his Chu form in his own sexual fantasies with some other woman he was cybering that I can't name at the moment.) Coupled with his (possibly feigned possibly genuine) concern for the welfare of Asperchu ("He won't like having da Assburgers!) and Wild ("He'll be left all by his lonsome without Simonla!"), this shows that Chris is capable of empathy - for anthropomorphic cartoon characters, not humans. Or then again, maybe not: He might just be confusing his own selfish desires for concern for these furry creatures, like he does with real people all the time. That might explain the Simonla/Wild thing, which amounts to a control issue, but not the Asperchu/Mitch thing.
	:Again, nothing really that new, just more evidence for your thesis. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 16:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		:Again, nothing really that new, just more evidence for your thesis. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 16:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)


			=== Have you considered this angle? ===
			I've tried to distill some of Chris's idiosyncracies into one statement:

			'''Chris believes that words hold more power than actions or facts.'''

			To normal people, it's the precise opposite; Words are absolutely empty unless backed by evidence or accompanying action. However, for Chris, he only needs to ''say'' something and it'll be taken as truth, regardless of anything to the contrary. This is how he is constantly able to be a [[hypocrite]] and yet remain oblivious. The Asperpedia saga being played out in the comics illustrates this. A normal person would be bewildered that the many apologetic words to Alec and Co. are paired with the depiction of their mutilation. Not so Chris: he thinks that making those words of apology is sufficient for everyone to understand that he has genuinely apologized, which means they won't notice him indulging his sick fantasies of executing the Asperpedia Four. While the rest of the world sees through this as insincere, he probably TRULY and HONESTLY believes he was being sincere.

			It is also why he is able to lie with impunity: by making a statement, it is automatically true, regardless of the facts it is based on. Possibly to him, they're not lies, but simply assertions of the truth in his (constantly changing to fit his wants) world.

			The icing on the cake is the Chris Categorical Imperative that you stated. It is not simply ''anyone's'' words that hold power over their actions and the facts, but ''his words alone''. However, consistent with fears of losing control, Chris may believe that when some got-dang dirty troll makes a slanderous mockery of him, he fears that the troll's words will hold power over him and become truth, and must respond to validate his own truth, usually in the form of tard rage.

			The "distilled statement" is not exactly a fully-developed gloss, but if this is already in your thesis, please point it out. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 07:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

SeventhBase: /* Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum */

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Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum

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	Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

			IRT your remarks on my page, which I have reproduced here for your convenience:
			:You may have a point on the Simonla issue. If we're to take the simplest explanation (Chris is a selfish liar), it's probably another spur-of-the moment excuse to Evan, worded poorly because he assumes the latter is as childish/retarded as he is and will buy the argument. On the other hand, Chris has demonstrated repeated behavior showing that he believes his fantasy world is real. Also unaddressed is how Chris is not quite aware that he is the mouthpiece for his creations. By saying "Sonichu and Rosechu can go justify themselves", Chris demonstrates that he thinks that without the intervening factor of himself, his creations will go tell off Clyde and Miyamoto-sama.
			:This goes beyond pure escapism, where CWCville is a place where he is in control of everything; this goes to show you that he feels CWCville and its related denizens are not only completely autonomous and able to interact with the outside world, but subject to the alterations and damages of others. Which is why feels he must "correct" the others' actions that threaten his idyllic paradise. It's not simply a matter of "fuck you trolls, I'll just act as if did nothing to CWCville," he has to rectify these slanderous mockeries in his pages, and additionally assure his readers (read: himself) that no major damage was done.
			:The other point of "other people as real as cartoons" brings us right back to his sociopathy. Other people are merely as cartoon characters to be manipulated in the grand narrative of Chris's life. As [[Excel Saga\|Great Director Chandler]], he believes other people will bend to his desires solely due to that "fact". He not only wants CWCville under his control, but also the real world. This squares nicely with his fear of losing control.
			:One more revealing thing: Chris confessed in the comic pages that in high school, he would read R.L. Stine novels and imagine Sonic characters to be in their place. (This was probably well before Sonic degenerated into a recolor shitfest.) This shows that he can't even relate to ''fantasy'' humans on the account of being human (and not his own creation), and must imagine them as cartoon furries. (This might also explain why in the [[Giant Penis Comic]], he and Ivy fucking in their Chu forms... as well why he imagined himself in his Chu form in his own sexual fantasies with some other woman he was cybering that I can't name at the moment.) Coupled with his (possibly feigned possibly genuine) concern for the welfare of Asperchu ("He won't like having da Assburgers!) and Wild ("He'll be left all by his lonsome without Simonla!"), this shows that Chris is capable of empathy - for anthropomorphic cartoon characters, not humans. Or then again, maybe not: He might just be confusing his own selfish desires for concern for these furry creatures, like he does with real people all the time. That might explain the Simonla/Wild thing, which amounts to a control issue, but not the Asperchu/Mitch thing.
			:Again, nothing really that new, just more evidence for your thesis. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 16:49, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

SeventhBase: /* Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum */ ARGH! That one omission changed what I was trying to say.

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Nothing wrong with feeling like a psych forum: ARGH! That one omission changed what I was trying to say.

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	Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

	Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

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	Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

	Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device.		Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

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	Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Keep it up. It's something I'd like to see expanded. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 02:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

			:Okay, so, I concluded my remarks on this in [[CWCki:Speculation\|the Speculation]] by saying ''fuck'' you guys. I'd just like to take a moment to take a step back and introduce my comments here by saying ''fuck'' you guys. Chris isn't a sociopath--he's incredibly childish, socially isolated, desperate, totally ignorant of what other people want, and totally ignorant of the way autism affects his ability to give it to them. He just plain hasn't been in enough social situations to learn--or learn the necessity of--certain skills. All the elements of sociopathy could be applied to a generic child at some point or another and the essence of autism is difficulty with empathy. I totally understand how these separate conditions look similar because they ''are'' similar. But that's not how diagnosis works. For one thing, I'm convinced Chris is selectively mute hence the noviophobia and attraction signs, but it wouldn't be proper to diagnose that or to treat that or consider that separate from his--or anyone else's--autism. I mean, that's not quite a thing in and of itself, but sake of argument, etc. They're connected. One is epiphenomenal upon the other. He was even universally mute at one point. He's got issues with speech. He's got issues with empathy. Just because a guy's stumbling around and smells like liquor doesn't mean he ''is'' drunk. It means he's ''probably'' drunk. The deal with probability is that the more information you get, the less relevant it is. If you just bump into him on the street like, you should probably assume the more likely. But if you're an ER technician or something and it's been a couple hours and he's lost the ability to perceive the left side of things, you might want to adjust your theory. The guy could've just had a couple drinks and a massive stroke. You've got to look at the surrounding issues.

			For one thing, Chris's invasive and violative behavior with women is based on his bizarre fucking ideas about what dating is. He invents retarded rules about how people should behave and then strictly follows them. He's not amoral the way a sociopath is. He's hypermoral. Helps... I think I already mentioned this in the Speculation, but it helps that his parents are morons. Like, his mom thought Michael Snyder was out of line for not offering her a chair when ''she was trespassing.''

			I'm repeating myself. I'm not sure there's any more I can say and I don't know if I'm changing any minds here, so, this being the Internet, I'm just going to declare victory and not comment anymore. —[[User:Thepicklesuitintheman\|Thepicklesuitintheman]] 17:24, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

	Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)		Also, I wanted to comment on the Monty Python thing. If what you're saying is true (and it probably is), then Chris would, for example, not appreciate the key points of what makes the "My Hovercraft is Filled with Eels" sketch so iconic: Its use of a "lost in translation"/"culture shock" trope, expressing sexually-charged lines in a completely oblivious deadpan, and just a little bit of xenophobia. Instead, Chris just hears that one oh-so-random line done in a funny accent thinks it's a fucking riot. I would also venture to guess he's never seen Life of Brian, either, as that movie is much less dependent on non-sequiter as comedic device. --[[User:SeventhBase\|SeventhBase]] 03:41, 21 July 2010 (UTC)