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For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.
For discussion that doesn't fit into the other community pages - though do keep it related to the CWCki.


=="No shit is too minor"==
== Standards for inclusion ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
== Fan videos ==
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)


This is something that's been on my mind for a while and I feel like getting it off my chest now. It's about our motto "No shit is too minor." I get this impression that people think it means "We have a duty to document every facet of Chris, we must know everything about Chris, if Chris takes a shit we need to document it and keep track of his bowel movements." I think that isn't the case.
:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


First off, "no shit is too minor" is something someone just came up with one day and I thought it suited us well. It's not something I came up with or anything, but I've liked it because what I've always interpreted it as is "We shouldn't overlook things about Chris." At times, people can be like "Oh, we don't need to worry about this recording, we've looked over it before," that is that they will overlook material about Chris or not think it's important. I think the "no shit is too minor" in that as wiki editors we should dig through the content we do have and try and find new insights about Chris in it. For instance, when I first watched the [[The 24th Wedding Anniversary Special]] I didn't think much of it. I was like "Okay, Chris is rambling on and doing Animal Crossing shit, who cares?" But then I watched it another day and noticed that he talks a lot about his parents and how they met, that's some pretty significant information. It doesn't mean we have to analyze his choice of font in the video, or we need to do a Freudian analysis of his music choices, but merely we shouldn't overlook things.
:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)


Anyways, I could go on but what I think we need to do is not to overlook the little things, that's how I've interpreted, rather than "Chris has a bowel movement, we need to document it and we need to know Chris's regularity" which is how I see a lot of people interpret it as.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:25, 27 January 2012 (PST)
::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
*I agree completely, and encourage you to consider getting a new motto. I think the current one brings out people's spergy side. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:28, 27 January 2012 (PST)
** as i have said before, once you start leaving out details its like cancer. its all or nothing eventually. Either include everything because you never know what is or is going to be important (Elvis died on the crapper), or just dont include anything. if chris is irregular, well that sounds unimportant, but down the road that simple detail could help someone figure out something else. Logic requires detail for extrapolation of facts. more detail, more extrapolation, more facts...[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 07:03, 27 January 2012 (PST)
** a possible new motto would be "Just the facts" or "The devil is in the details"
**No, cancer would be filling up the CWCki with too many pointless details. Champ's rant was all about how we DON'T need to write about every little trivial aspect of Chris's life. It's fine to leave stupid shit out, and that's what we're trying to do. And, that is also why we are having this discussion about a possible new motto. That said, I think you have some good ideas for possible alternate mottos, and I highly encourage Champ if he's reading this to consider them. Also, you have to sign all your posts, not just your first one. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 07:55, 27 January 2012 (PST)
*** Define what is 'stupid' clearly... What facts should be left out? COnjecture, that should be left out.. Opinion, that should be left out...  But NO FACT no matter HOW MINISCULE should ever be left out, lest it be gone forever. The simple things, the details, the minutia, thats where the truth of Chris really lies...[[User:Slimz|.-~ Slimz ~-.]] 09:12, 7 February 2012 (PST)


== Linking quotes ==
==Chris and ==
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


Ok so i was reading the PS3 article over and notices that chris is quoted saying 'I'd throw away the cure for autism' where the word autism is linked to the autism page. well on the Pixelated_PS3 page (where the video lives that the quote comes from) autism is is also linked to the word autism.. ok here is the issue, when quoting chris on a page other then the one that has the original video, should we link the quote to that page directly? i mean we seem to link all kinds of stuff to all kinds of stuff but a barely see any quotes linked back to the source of the quote. Just asking what the protocol is for that?
== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==
*We usually do link back the quotes in the article text around them or in the quote description. I don't think that there is any set in stone policy about it, but I can't really think of any instance where a quote's source has not been linked in the article somewhere. If you can though, by all means show me where. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 07:55, 27 January 2012 (PST)
* if i run across it i will rectify it, the source is linked in the citation on the page i was talking about so there is a link, Chris is obviously quoted often so im sure there are quotes on pages with no back links. i guess creating citations for quotes is the best way to go.


I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.


== Megaupload and Filesharing sites ==
Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.


I've noticed that in quite a few articles that include things for download the link that lead to recently shut down file serving sites have been closed. Is it a priority to fix these? [[User:Granola|Granola]] 06:42, 13 February 2012 (PST)
I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
*Yes, it is a priority (and a quite large one at that). I am currently fixing the ones that I can and moving the ones that are still working to Google Drive. Drive will probably never shut down and the files will never be removed. Please feel free to do the same to any download links that you find that are not on Google Drive or are broken. [[User:Pyromcr|Pyromcr]] 8:18, 21 July 2012 (CST)
 
Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
 
== The future of "corner icons" ==
 
Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 
:I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.[[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 
:: In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
 
::: I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)


== Chris and violence ==
==Gatekeepers==


Chris and violence have a long relationship. He has not only threatened violence, but also responded to threats of violence. He has performed tasks under the threat of violence and requested that tasks be performed with violence as an alternative..  
There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


The point here is that anger is one thing and violence is another. Chris has enough of a relationship with different areas of violence, that i believe that it deserves an article in the '''Chris and''' series.  
:Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)


Violence itself should not be lumped with anger. Anger is an emotion where as violence is an act (or in many cases the threat of an act) anger deals with how chris feels toward a specific situation where as violence deals with how Chris acts. im not a great christorian but i know enough to understand that ''''Chris and violence'''' is a subject that deserves a page on this wiki... [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 05:31, 9 March 2012 (PST)
::Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
*First, we already have the [[Death Threats]] article, so that kind of counts. Second, Chris is pretty much [[Power|incapable]] of violence anyway (unless he gets his hands on a gun, but why would he buy a gun when that can go into [[vidya]]?), so anger and threats are all he's going to get. While I agree that he does seem to resort to violence pretty often, I have to say that he often channels that anger into various things we already have articles on, whether it be the [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha]] or the death threats previously mentioned. [[User:Boriki|Boriki]] 20:42, 22 March 2012 (PDT)
** Im not entirely convinced. The article i was thinking about is not just focused on chris DOING violence, but how he perceives violence, his bigotry regarding violence, and how he reacts to threats of violence. Basically chris is a bully, a pussy and generally has no empathy.[[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 05:01, 23 March 2012 (PDT)
***Sounds rather pointless to me. The Chris and series in general just seems to be a way to take potshots at Chris nowadays, but they do have their place and they do cover a lot of things that would be hard to place into other articles. [[Chris and the law]] for instance I think is a page we needed to have. It could have ''maybe'' been placed into the [[Jerkop]] article, but it would have been wildly out of place. Now Chris and Violence on the other hand is something that very easily folds into articles like [[Death Threats]] and [[Curse-ye-ha-me-ha]], or even [[Chris and anger]]. Really, if you want to go into Chris's perception of violence, most of what you'd come up with would be ninety percent speculation anyway. You can try to write up the article yourself, and if anything is salvageable and CWCki appropriate we could make it into a [[Chris and anger]] subsection, but it's hardly appropriate for its own article. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:38, 23 March 2012 (PDT)


== A-Logging ==
:::Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


I've been thinking, what would you all think of a page covering "A-Logging", that is thinking that Chris is worse than Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot combine and deserves to be punished? I think this issue is sort of the opposite extreme of [[White knighting]] which we deal with. Now, I bring this up here because I ask - do you think we should have a formal article about it, ala the White knighting article, or perhaps we should make a policy about it to elaborate on [[CWCki:NPOV|NPOV]]? I think we get a lot of grief that we tend to foster A-Logs, that people will read the CWCki and think Chris is an awful person who has committed crimes against humanity (which really isn't the case). Or perhaps we should do both? My concern with an actual article on it is that A-Logging hasn't really impacted Chris trolling the same way white knighting has. A-Logs don't really fuck things up, they just make normal trolls look bad.
::No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)


I think we should try to be more neutral towards Chris, critical yet fair, as I believe that ideally we should be presenting information about Chris as "This is what we know about Chris" rather than "Chris is x, y, z (and they're all bad things"). So, what do you all think? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 04:59, 29 April 2012 (PDT)
:Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
*Yes. We need an article like this. A legitimate article like the White Knight one that explains in detail just how stupid the whole idea is, and with examples of what has resulted from it. In particular, I think we should point out that A-Log managed to get his own Encyclopedia Dramatica page from doing so. That will deter this sperginess if nothing else. While we're at it, I also think that links to this page should be added into the CWCki's welcome message so that new users are directed to it, and it should get linked on the front page, at least for a little while, so that as many thirteen year old youtubers as possible see it. I also would not object to A-Logging being made a temporarily bannable offence, just so we can get rid of those that ignore it. I know the forums are already considered a hive for sperginess, but that's a reputation that does not need to be attached to actual wiki users. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:11, 1 May 2012 (PDT)


So is anyone else going to do this, or will I have to? --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 02:11, 10 May 2012 (PDT)
==New Template: To Do==
*I'm currently hopped up on caffeine so I'll write out a rough draft, once I'm done I'll post it here and you can all edit it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 02:17, 11 May 2012 (PDT)
*I've started a rough draft [[User:Champthom/Alogging|here]]. By all means edit it and comment on it.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 02:50, 11 May 2012 (PDT)


== Activity meter ==
Taking a page from [https://tcrf.net/The_Cutting_Room_Floor| The Cutting Room Floor], I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd054]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)


I was wondering if we could setup an activity meter, kind of like the defcon or the homeland security color system. It would theoretically measure how active chris is. Just thought ot would be a nice graphic that we could update when his activity level changes. [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 09:26, 30 April 2012 (PDT)
:It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. [[User:Rossticus|Rossticus]] ([[User talk:Rossticus|talk]]) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)
*One of the few ideas Slimz has ever had that I'm fully behind. --[[User:Old meme|Old meme]] 06:12, 1 May 2012 (PDT)
** thanks, you dont have to like my ideas, but if i have them im gonna share them, worst anyone can say is "no" [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 08:51, 3 May 2012 (PDT)
* After missing years of CWC news, I'm using the [[CWChronology]] as a gauge for activity. [[User:Axe|Axe]] 01:53, 10 July 2012 (PDT)
*I'm not a fan of this idea because if it's low activity, people will get pissed and it'll worsen discontent. Plus it's subjective, Chris posting a few Facebook posts every now and then is pretty good activity nowadays, though it'd probably be considered low than the days where Chris was releasing something every day.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 05:31, 10 July 2012 (PDT)


== Index of terms ==
== "xth year of organised trolling" ==


I think an index of terms that are used often would be useful.  
Little Owl mentioned on [[Talk:2021]] that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? [[User:FokkerTISM|FokkerTISM]] ([[User talk:FokkerTISM|talk]]) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Things like:
: I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Solid Chris
:Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
Liquid Chris
::I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
China
::I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "''x'' years since Chris's discovery" rather than "''x''th year of organized trolling."[[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)
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== Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos? ==


Now i know that the terms for the most part each have an article, but a single page of Chris-centric vocabulary would be nice.
Should we edit the [[:Template:Infobox/video]] to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:
thoughts [[User:Slimz|slimz - ┌∩┐(◣_◢)┌∩┐]] 07:34, 9 May 2012 (PDT)


== Audio articles? ==
{{quoteboxwhite|'''[[Manipulation]] Disclosure:''' The views Chris  expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.}}


Someone on the CWCki Forums suggested that audio versions of articles, namely the "Chris and..." series be made so people like himself could listen to articles while he's working or driving to whatever. I suggested he post the request here, but I figure I'd help him out and post it here for him. My only concerns are 1) do you all think there is sufficient demand for audio articles (in other words, would anyone else besides this guy be interested in them?) and 2) does anyone here have a pleasant voice to read an article with?
[[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


I don't think it's a bad idea, I mean it would make Chris accessible to the blind and people who don't feel like reading articles and would rather listen to them, but it's not like it's a huge, huge priority. I'm mostly posing this here to gauge responses, namely if anyone else would be interested in audio articles.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:26, 30 June 2012 (PDT)
:Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.
* there are a few problems
#This is a wiki and its always changing
#The "Chris and" series is one of the first most people read
#It would be very boring unless it was all rewritten in novel fashion


== The CWCki forums ==
:[[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


I looked for it, and it was gone. What happened? - Murderdartxker 18:07, 18 November 2012 (PST)
::Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


== Kacey Calls ==
:::For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. [[User:Abaddon|Abaddon]] ([[User talk:Abaddon|talk]]) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)


So the Youtube channel that had all the calls was banned and all the Mediafire links to the files are dead. How can we replace the videos let alone get the files back? This is a massive part of CWC history that was just destroyed and needs to be recovered.
:Kind of late, but I like the idea. [[User:Holdek|Holdek]] ([[User talk:Holdek|talk]]) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)


[[User:Pyromcr|Pyromcr]] 05:38, 5 December 2012 (CST)
:Noticed that in the [[List of videos]], it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls [[FUTURE MESSAGE]] could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era [[Twin Falling Towers]] could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
*I've got a handful on my computer.  I'd ask on the forum.  As I recall someone else has brought this up in the past. While there's some great stuff in a couple of the calls, the vast majority are duller than dishwater. --[[User:Lumber|Lumber]] 18:38, 5 December 2012 (PST)
**Upload them somewhere and fix as many broken links as you can. ~[[User:Pyromcr|Pyromcr]] 09:54, 5 December 2012 (CST)
**It doesn't matter if they're duller than dishwater or not.  We're CWC historians here, and they're part of the historical record.  I know there's been talk about "how minor is too minor" when it comes to recording Chris and his actions, but a trolling MP3 is an important piece of history and deserves to be re-uploaded and re-linked. --[[User:HCAndersen|HCAndersen]] 22:26, 8 January 2013 (PST)


== The state of things ==
== Contingency ==


I'll be honest, I and the rest of the staff has been doing a really lousy job keeping up with the CWCki. I don't think we need the number of mods and admins that we needed in the past when Chris was in full force but I think pretty much everyone on the staff is assuming that everyone else in the staff is keeping an eye on the CWCki and as a result, no one keeps an eye on the CWCki. I hear people will sometimes complain that Google will mark this site as an attack site and I'm wondering if it's because we're not banning people who do that sort of thing as it happens.  
So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. [[User:Homsar|Homsar]] ([[User talk:Homsar|talk]]) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. [[User:Superspongebobbros|Superspongebobbros]] ([[User talk:Superspongebobbros|talk]]) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
::It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/[[User:Canine]] would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)


The big thing I plan on doing is auditing the CWCki staff, checking in on mods and admins for their current status and possibly downsizing the staff and/or replacing it with fresh blood. It's a first step towards trying to clean up on things.--[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:52, 24 June 2013 (PDT)
== Doxxing ==


== Breaking up Facebook article ==
In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like [[Bella]] and [[Sean Walker]] definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like [[Michael Snyder]] and [[Megan Schroeder]] have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like [[Copitz]] and [[Doopie]], especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.


I think the facebook article is too big and we need to break it up into sections. I'll try to make some example pages in my userspace. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 20:34, 6 September 2013 (PDT)
Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while [[Copitz]]'s worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
* I'll break it up once we finished doing all the Facebook posts and fixing the links to the sections. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 03:15, 7 September 2013 (PDT)
*I was about to think, maybe break it up by month? Even if Chris stop doing this by, say, the end of the month, it wouldn't be a waste to have a "September 2013 Facebook posts" article. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 08:04, 9 September 2013 (PDT)
* I'm glad to see breaking up the article is a priority. I guess I'll check back in a couple of months to see if it's still a thing. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 19:21, 9 September 2013 (PDT)
* I'm doing it right now. You want it, you got it. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 01:03, 11 September 2013 (PDT)


== New Quote Box Colours? ==
:I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


Because of there are some Facebook posts which involve more than 3 users in conversations, (such as [[September_2013_Facebook_Posts#Chris_Expresses_His_Outrage_for_Walmart|this one]], which had 5 users posting) should we add more colours of quote boxes? Currently, there's only red, green and blue. I thought up of yellow and orange. [[User:Alan Pardew|Alan Pardew]] 01:27, 20 September 2013 (PDT)
::I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)


== Cleaning up Facebook page ==
:Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use [[Doopie E-mails]] as a reference. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


Hi, I'm starting to try to break up the facebook page, while adding info from [http://imgur.com/a/1HYJJ here]. Just wanted to make sure there was no opposition to this. I've already created a separate section for August 2013 posts. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 11:18, 3 November 2013 (PST)
How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


== New facebook navigation bar ==
:As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


Unless anyone tells me no, I will be working on a couple of things:
::At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. [[User:PsychoNerd054|PsychoNerd]] ([[User talk:PsychoNerd054|talk]]) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


1. Breaking up ALL facebook posts into pages based on months (since this is what Champ seems to want)
Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed ''elsewhere'', I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.
2. Working on a new navigation bar for the facebook section to accommodate the split pages


Facebook remains our largest source on Chris's antics, so I think it's incredibly important that his posts are displayed in a readable and organized manner.
To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of [[User:HurtfulTruthLevel]], something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-american-hedgehog-socked-on-cwcki-involved-with-watchmen-knights-of-cwc-and-others.100474/|elsewhere].  


Alright, I hope no one reverts my work or anything.
Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.  


[[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 15:58, 4 November 2013 (PST)
I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with.  People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)


* Also here is my proposed new navigation bar [[User:Chaosakita/exampletemplate]] [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 16:06, 4 November 2013 (PST)
But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core ''dramatis personae'', already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.  
* I seem to have gotten the goahead from Champ, so I went ahead and replaced the navigation bar. Hope it doesn't bother anyone. [[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 07:47, 5 November 2013 (PST)


== Facebook revamp ==
A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.


Looks like not too many people care about this so I'm going to continue with my plan:
Just how I feel about it. [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)


1. I'm going to split up 2012 and 2013 into months (and abandon the existing 2012 and 2013 pages)
P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". [[User:SpookyBones|SpookyBones]] ([[User talk:SpookyBones|talk]]) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
2. I'm going to continue transcribing pages from the imgur leak. This might take a while.
3. I already replaced the Facebook navigation template.


Also, here's some things I would like to do:
== Potential New Direction for the Wiki.  "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists" ==


1. I would like the abandon the titles for each post. They are not that informative, and can be even be misleading. I also suck at coming up with them. On the other hand, I have no idea how I would separate each section
Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates.
2. I would like to separate Notes and Status Updates. Not a huge deal, but it would make everything neater, I guess.  
(i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies.  His final words being "MMMMM!  I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things.  One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did.  There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris.  Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log.  They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed.  Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered.  I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.


[[User:Chaosakita|ChaosAkita]] 07:52, 5 November 2013 (PST)
Take for instance, this.  A sign of the times:
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography


== Something Awful original threads ==
https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the


In the 2007 article there are links to the archived versions of the original SA threads about Chris. I think it would be very worthwile to have our own copies of these as an archive. Does anyone have a SA archive account, or know someone with these accounts who would be up for the job? The links are the following:
*http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2667671
*http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=2636398&userid=0&perpage=40&pagenumber=8#post335082042 [[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] ([[User talk:RachmaninovDESU|talk]]) 22:06, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


:Wouldn't that be illegal? I'm guessing that SA has copyrighted that content or used some other legal precautions to prevent people from copying it and giving it to other people free of charge. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 22:32, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:


:Could be, but we have quoted comments from dozens of websites and message-boards and have never really been in trouble for that. It would probably be best to ask first, but I think we'd get permission to mirror the threads due to the nature of this site. [[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] ([[User talk:RachmaninovDESU|talk]]) 10:57, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life


::But as far as I gather none of those message boards and websites hide behind paywalls. If we were to put archived SA threads on this wiki than in theory we will be making SA lose money. Permission should definitely be asked before we put anything from SA on the CWCki, but I'm not sure if we should even bother about getting copies of those threads. Do they contain any interesting information about Chris that's not already documented on this wiki? If not than in my opinion it's not worth the effort. - [[User:NegaCWC|NegaCWC]] ([[User talk:NegaCWC|talk]]) 20:07, 11 March 2014 (UTC)


:::Iirc they don´t contain interesting info about Chris himself, they do, however, contain very interesting info on the earliest spread of Chris as a web phenomenon, something which is very much relevant to this wiki. [[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] ([[User talk:RachmaninovDESU|talk]]) 17:15, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard.  They live their lives wrong, and then what happens?  They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers.  They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce.  The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.


::: Ok, I worked around the problem by adding a link to an archived version of the thread. The interesting thing is that the thread is started because of an eyewitness report on Chris that seems unrelated to Lucas taking the first pic (on the same day). Not sure if this is coincedence or if it adds up somehow. [[User:RachmaninovDESU|RachmaninovDESU]] ([[User talk:RachmaninovDESU|talk]]) 17:54, 13 March 2014 (UTC)


::::It would be nice to have at least a partial screenshot, say, of the first few posts (as opposed to a whole honking thread), making the more-or-less start of this whole 'project' as it were, up on a page ''here''. At very least, it could be argued that there's a copyright exception/clause for documents of 'historical' nature? Giving credit for the source, of course. --[[User:Xavier orona|Xavier orona]] ([[User talk:Xavier orona|talk]]) 05:22, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool.  I worry so much about today's parents.  I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird.  I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat.  Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning.  Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.


== Piping to [[Chris]] ==
I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.


So many articles start by piping to [[Chris]]. I find this annoying, and have removed some of these pipes, but I was wondering if it's a problem. [[User:Y0h 513nn R3n|Y0h 513nn R3n]] ([[User talk:Y0h 513nn R3n|talk]]) 17:56, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --[[User:TippyToesTommyTalarico|TippyToesTommyTalarico]] 21:22, 21 October 2021
: That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a [[Template:Essay|personal user essay]] and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)


== Removing the CAPTCHA as ineffective against retarding spam ==
== Conflicts of interest ==


Whenever we open registration, even for a brief period, we are bombarded by a similar formation of similarly assembled usernames creating their spam adverts as new articles. I think that it is obvious that the ReCAPTCHA system does not protect us in any meaningful sense against automated page creation. Meanwhile, I do find it rather inconvenient as a human user trying to shut out Google from my on-line life to need to enable Google and Gstatic in NoScript, complete a reCAPTCHA prompt and then disable it again if I wish to create a page that the CWCki would do well to have. I believe I had discussed the last time we had enabled registration that, instead of lowering the drawbridge on occasion, we require prospective CWCki editors submit applications that can be manually approved; I again point to CreationWiki as an example of how such a system can work. Naturally, we would ask for basic knowledge about Chris instead of real names. It hinders new aspiring editors when they cannot join, existing editors when they cannot create new pages without going through these hoops and it troubles us when we get so many noxious spambots coming in at once. There is surely a better way. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 23:40, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on [[Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution]]. --[[User:4CentUser|4CentUser]] ([[User talk:4CentUser|talk]]) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)
: I would support adopting ConfirmAccount to replace regular registration. In that way we can completely bin reCAPTCHA. A set of very simple challenge questions, from my memory, should eliminate most spambot registration attempts. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:22, 12 December 2019 (UTC)
: You should reach out to Marvin at Kiwi Farms about your ideas. He's the owner/admin of the CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 19:45, 12 December 2019 (UTC)


== Standards for inclusion ==
== Barbara station ==
This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the [[Talk:Main Page#Are we focusing too much on Chris's enablers?|main page]]. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: '''that Chris has actively produced content relating to them''', such as incorporating them into the ''Sonichu'' comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as [[the Miscreants]], Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the [[Idea Guys]] or [[Sockness]], have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like [[Sarah and Steve]] may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 
: It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called [[Barbara]]… {{w|Barbara (Paris Métro)|in Paris}}. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)
: We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
 
: Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
== Icons modernisation ==
:: It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. [[User:ChanOfTartary|ChanOfTartary]] ([[User talk:ChanOfTartary|talk]]) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
 
::Makes sense. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)
I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{tl|Saga}} template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:
== Fan videos ==
* The icons should use the PNG file format.
I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)
* The icons should have a transparent background.
* The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
* The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
* The icons should have a file name format of {{Code|Saga icon [Saga Name].png}}.
I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era ([https://www.howtogeek.com/733912/a-visual-history-of-windows-icons-from-windows-1-to-11/ source]). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the ''retro'' factor.
 
Any questions, please reply below. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
:I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)
 
== Non-YouTube videos ==
 
I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)
:Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)
 
== Endangered/extinct? links/websites ==
 
I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.
 
CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?
 
Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.
 
Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon.
[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)
 
:Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.
 
:Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
 
::I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as [[July 2013 Facebook Posts]]; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link).  Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found [[Special:LinkSearch|here]]
 
::I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.
 
::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza
 
::https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
 
::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)
 
:::: Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)
 
== Pages for Kiwi Farms posts ==
 
Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]], [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)]], etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)


:Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on [[THAT IS MY HOUSE]]. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
: We could do that, but there are other pages such as [[CWCki Forums]] and [[GameFAQs]] that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.


:: I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
:Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the [[Kiwi Farms]] page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include [[Man in the Pickle Suit|The Man In The Pickle Suit]], [[Asperchu|Alec Benson Leary]], etc".[[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)


::: Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - [[User:Klop|Klop|polK]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
::I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to [[Kiwi Farms]] page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)


==Chris and ==
::: I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)
I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. [[CWCki:Improvement|Here are the changes]]. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
:Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
::I agree - [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)


== Jerkops can now register new accounts ==
:My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to [[Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying]] which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)


I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.
::I created a page for [[Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian)]]. If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. [[User:Gray Deign|Gray Deign]] ([[User talk:Gray Deign|talk]]) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)


Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.
== Generation IX Pokémon ==


I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
Hey CWCki editors, {{w|Pokémon Scarlet and Violet}} just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)


Kolp1607 on the farms [[User:Klop|klop]] ([[User talk:Klop|talk]]) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
==Template for resized high quality photos==
Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like [[:Template:Needs Updating]] for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)


== The future of "corner icons" ==
== Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms ==


Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as [[Rosechu]] and [[Sonichu (character)]], in addition to existing ones at [[Chris and anger]] and [[Jacob Sockness]]. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of [[CWCki:CWCki is#CWCki is not Encyclopedia Dramatica|not copying]] Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --[[User:Little Owl|Little Owl]] ([[User talk:Little Owl|talk]]) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
:https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])
::Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
:::apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. [[User:VoDKa|VoDKa]] ([[User talk:VoDKa|talk]])

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Standards for inclusion

This is to continue the discussion that had begun on the main page. As a way to separate tetrad members from trolls worthy of an article, I would propose the following metric in evaluating trolls: that Chris has actively produced content relating to them, such as incorporating them into the Sonichu comic. Conversations on social networks are not enough. Truly influential trolls, such as the Miscreants, Chris's various sweethearts through the years or more recently the Idea Guys or Sockness, have inspired Chris to go to great lengths and produce substantial content. Common enablers like Sarah and Steve may get some occasional short dialogue on Discord or Twitter, but nothing like the old IRC logs or Mumble chats. Articles on those who are not significant enough by this standard to warrant their own article should probably be folded into brief mentions in their appropriate category. ChanOfTartary (talk) 16:18, 12 February 2020 (UTC)

It is something worth looking into, although there is a small risk that if we overlook an enabler who started small then suddenly become big a few months or years later, then we might have trouble tracing back their footsteps. The internet can forget as much as to never forget, but at the same time, we are dealing with more and more people going into great lengths to leave their mark in the Sonichu lore. --Little Owl (talk) 16:45, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
We could Move the existing pages for enablers who don't make the cut into the CWCki namespace. That would also allow for keeping track without needing to write formally for the general CWCki audience. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 20:05, 12 February 2020 (UTC)
Should we still move the articles to the CWCki:Enablers page or just leave the preservation to the article history? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 20:58, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
It is possibly better to leave them as article history. A simple search can find past references to an enabler from the Farms, but some enablers may well regard a CWCki article as some mark of honour or fame ensuring them a place in Christory. ChanOfTartary (talk) 21:16, 14 February 2020 (UTC)
Makes sense. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 17:32, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Fan videos

I propose deletion of all fan videos sections as they add nothing of value to the wiki. - Klop|polK (talk) 08:21, 14 June 2020 (UTC)

Not sure about removing all fan video sections - maybe if they're high quality enough and had effort put into them, they can stay, like some of the videos on THAT IS MY HOUSE. Agreed with your call on removing the reversal videos, though. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:14, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
I have to agree with Hurtful Truth Level, particularly since there are some pretty good fan videos like those VHS parodies by Mycalfelps. I wish they could finish reuploading them and also the "Greene County Conspiracy" trailer. --Little Owl (talk) 11:18, 15 June 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I deleted all the reverse videos. Everything else has been left untouched - Klop|polK (talk) 11:20, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Chris and

I have proposed some changes to the Chris and articles, since they are major, more discussion is required. Here are the changes. You can discuss on the CWCki Discord too. - klop (talk) 15:42, 3 July 2020 (UTC)

Chris and cosplaying could also just be renamed to Cosplaying, since it's not a significant aspect of Chris. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 20:16, 3 July 2020 (UTC)
I agree - klop (talk) 02:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)

Jerkops can now register new accounts

I asked Canine to set it up so that anyone in the Jerkops (moderator) user group can register new accounts. This should make it so we won't need to resort to fully opening registration and letting the spambots in. There should be a Create Account link in Special Pages that Jerkops can access - https://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:CreateAccount.

Anyone wanting an account can PM a Jerkop on Kiwi Farms or Discord. They'd only need to provide an email address and user name. There's an option to automatically generate a password for them.

I could make a post about this in the Updating the CWCki thread on Kiwi Farms. Any jerkop who's open to being contacted about this, post your KF user name here and I'll tag you in the post. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 11:49, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

Kolp1607 on the farms klop (talk) 11:57, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

The future of "corner icons"

Within the last few days, we have seen more "corner icons" being added to a number of articles, such as Rosechu and Sonichu (character), in addition to existing ones at Chris and anger and Jacob Sockness. I wish to gather opinions on the future of this feature, because I am not seeing any purpose of such icons on this wiki, other than being random pictures in contravention on our policy of not copying Encyclopaedia Dramatica. --Little Owl (talk) 17:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)

I think it’s getting way out of hand. I think very few article should have one. It just ruins the aesthetic if we just have one everywhere.PsychoNerd054 (talk) 18:51, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, I would prefer phasing them out completely: it just distracts the reader from the main content. I am sure that there are plenty of reasonable alternatives to corner icons, such as expanding said articles or adding more inline images. --Little Owl (talk) 21:23, 5 August 2020 (UTC)
I agree, none of them add anything and distract users from the actual article. Complete removal is the best option. - klop (talk) 03:34, 6 August 2020 (UTC)

Gatekeepers

There is a group of individuals who keep malicious individuals away from Chris. They enable his fantasies to keep him intrested but don't harm him in any other way. Should this be a new category to classify people or be a subsection in the enablers article. - klop (talk) 08:13, 10 August 2020 (UTC)

Just put them in the Enablers article. The main quality of an enabler is that they enable Chris’ bad habits, it doesn’t matter if it’s for good or bad intentions. PsychoNerd054 (talk) 13:26, 10 August 2020 (UTC)
Did it, though as time passes we may need a full article for them. Also now that they have publically revealed themselves, should we call this the "Gatekeeping saga". They've been guiding Chris since atleast October 2019. - klop (talk) 01:15, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Are you proposing that they would be a new member of the Unholy Tetrad? (By which point they’d be the “Unholy Quintet”) PsychoNerd054 (talk) 05:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
No, they very clearly come under Enablers as you pointed out. I'm proposing we call this time period the Gatekeeping saga since they have an incredibly deep root in Chris's life. - klop (talk) 05:40, 11 August 2020 (UTC)
Is it saga material? Usually sagas are for describing major happenings revolving around Chris. Gatekeeper stuff so far seems to be more about releasing material about the Sockness and Dimensional Merge sagas. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 08:56, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

New Template: To Do

Taking a page from The Cutting Room Floor, I think we should have a template that list things that should be added onto articles, that should work better than just having incomplete templates on several pages without an explanation. Does this sound like a good idea? PsychoNerd054 (talk) 19:06, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

It sounds like a useful idea. I suppose if a user has any suggestions but are too lazy to do the work themselves, they could always give some brief pointers on what could be done, so someone else can chip in later. Rossticus (talk) 21:21, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

"xth year of organised trolling"

Little Owl mentioned on Talk:2021 that use of the phrase "x year of organised trolling" is kind of outdated now, especially since we tend to discourage people from getting involved with Chris directly. Should articles about years still say "organised trolling", or should they just say "x year since Chris' discovery"? FokkerTISM (talk) 09:07, 15 January 2021 (UTC)

I would say "x years since the discovery of Chris and the Sonichu franchise", because Sonichu is a very important part of the CWCiverse. Without the cringe-fest that is Sonichu, Chris would be just another fan of Pokémon and Sonic. --Little Owl (talk) 19:32, 15 January 2021 (UTC)
Agree on "discovery", I feel that while trolls and Sonichu are key aspects of the lore, for brevity's sake just "Chris's discovery" is sufficient. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:17, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I feel that there should be a point where organized trolling stopped. 2010 or 2011 fit that pretty well. I think that every article from 2007 to 2010/2011 should keep the "x year of organized trolling," but the years after that can be changed. Superspongebobbros (talk) 01:43, 16 January 2021 (UTC)
I just updated all the articles from 2011 to 2021 to say "x years since Chris's discovery" rather than "xth year of organized trolling."Superspongebobbros (talk) 20:23, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding a Manipulation Disclosure to all Chris videos?

Should we edit the Template:Infobox/video to insert a message pointing out that most videos were the result of troll manipulation? Something along the lines of:

Manipulation Disclosure: The views Chris expresses may or may not be his own. Many of Chris's videos were orchestrated behind the scenes by trolls putting ideas in his head or goading him to act out; the majority of these interactions was never released to the public.

Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:14, 23 January 2021 (UTC)

Adding it to *all* videos seems like overdoing it. I'm pretty sure most people who spend an hour on the CWCki without any context at all will realize that half of Chris's life has been fabricated by trolls. Since videos Chris makes of his own volition seem to be the outliers, maybe an infobox disclaimer for videos Chris wasn't manipulated into making would be more helpful. With that being said, contextual textboxes should only be included if they're necessary, and I don't think any are warranted for this sort of thing.
Abaddon (talk) 01:01, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Which videos are of his own volition can be hard to determine, though. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:08, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
For that reason alone, adding in an infobox for videos possibly-maybe-not-manipulated-out-of-Chris-by-trolls would be an addition which could be untrue for certain videos. Abaddon (talk) 01:22, 23 January 2021 (UTC)
Kind of late, but I like the idea. Holdek (talk) 04:15, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Noticed that in the List of videos, it shows that there were relatively few videos prior to Chris beginning interactions with trolls in late 2007. So maybe a way to address the concern of applying to all videos would be to make a second video template for the videos prior to troll influences. So the pre-trolls FUTURE MESSAGE could have a new template (which resembles the current one), and the trolls-era Twin Falling Towers could use the original video template but modified with the manipulation disclosure. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)

Contingency

So as you may know Kiwifarms may be in some hot water. If they go the way of 8Chan in August 2019 what's the plan to keep the Cwcki from going down forever, because IIRC this is hosted by a service set up by Null that would go down if KF is deplatoformed. The KF drama is affecting the Cwcki right now in fact, I've been getting intermittent time out errors as of late. Homsar (talk) 03:44, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Wait a minute, what's going on with Kiwi Farms? I don't really pay attention to it, but I'm gonna assume that this has something to do with Null saying that he would shut down the site if Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act wasn't renewed. Superspongebobbros (talk) 17:59, 30 June 2021 (UTC)
It's under a DDOS attack. Marvin/User:Canine would be the one to ask about contingencies, he's the owner. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:16, 30 June 2021 (UTC)

Doxxing

In the light of the Suitress policy, I've been thinking about how this site treats people's personal info in general. While people like Bella and Sean Walker definitely deserve to be exposed for who they really are, and people like Michael Snyder and Megan Schroeder have been doxxed by Chris himself beyond the point of no return, I can't think of any reason to display the real names of people like Copitz and Doopie, especially in light of Chris becoming a sex criminal.

Doopie never wanted to get involved with Chris, while Copitz's worst crime was just hanging out with a known internet celebrity years ago. Now that Chris's crimes are revealed to the mainstream, this kind of thing can have a real impact on people's lives. I propose we systematically remove this kind of blanket doxxing from articles unless there's a clear reason for it. --4CentUser (talk) 15:51, 21 October 2021 (UTC)

I think we should hammer out what a clear reason would be. I don't think it should be based on whether people deserve it, that can get messy. Maybe go by how much of the person's name Chris used. Like he's used first and last names referring to Michael and Megan. Whereas with Doopie and Copitz, he's used first names. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:30, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
I like this idea, and I also think we should consider these things in this era where more and more people are being aware of Chris. We should also consider the events that surrounded their dox. In the case of Suitress, Chris only used her first name on one occasion, and that was in the one where he promised not to rage at Everfree. Every other instance he used the pseudonym she created. He had never used her full name. People only learned of her full name by Bella leaking it everywhere, and even then it's more or less forgotten, and other websites are making efforts to wipe it as well. Therefore, I think it's much easier to handle her being anonymous on the site. More involved people like Megan, Adam Stackhouse, Michael Snyder, and others can't get this treatment since they've all been established since the beginning, and because they keep getting namedropped. PsychoNerd (talk) 18:40, 21 October 2021 (UTC)
Regarding pages like Doopie with an infobox, maybe under Name it could just have the person's name up to how much of it Chris used. So for Doopie the Name could read "Danielle" and use Doopie E-mails as a reference. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:47, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

How should other identifying info, like birthdates, be handled? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:39, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

As I said, unless the birthdays are somehow crucial to understanding Christory, it isn't necessary. I wouldn't say it's the worst offense, though. PsychoNerd (talk) 14:01, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
At the moment, I think birthdays for relatives and people closely related to Chris are fair game. PsychoNerd (talk) 14:27, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, this is certainly a subject I have opinions on. First of all, very little if anything that's been done on this site I think really constitutes "doxing" to any high degree. At worst it's repeating real names that have been exposed elsewhere, I don't think anyone's been doxed first here, at least anytime in recent memory. But if anything rises to the occasion of a more severe "doxing", it's the birthdays. Birthday, location, and name, now we're getting to the territory of "doxing". Just listing names, not so much.

To me, anyone and everyone who willfully interacts with Chris and particularly who gets involved with any sort of elaborate troll/countertroll operations is fair game to be documented. This includes the "Suitress", random weens that show up at the house, random people who fucked with Chris on Twitter, people who make stupid videos about Chris on YouTube, every member of the Watchmen, Knights, and any similar group, and so on, not to exclude contributors to this Wiki (or to the Kiwi Farms) and particularly not to exclude their friends. Their is a blindingly obviously double standard at play here particularly in the hands of User:HurtfulTruthLevel, something which I've documented extensively (and not without a bit of pushback) [1].

Most egregious is the consistent targeting of Meghan Ringo, for reasons that I don't quite understand. I'm not her friend or guardian and if there is solid reason to target her I'm totally on board, and I'm not saying that she shouldn't be doxed/documented, because she should (more than meeting the criteria I laid out above), just that it is, again, blindingly obvious that she was at some point deemed fair game while there is pushback on documenting Anaxis, for instance, or now Kyle, or even someone like Sean. To believe that there is the remotest amount of objectivity here strains all credulity if you are aware that these are people with whom HTL (who was, for those keeping score at home, against the doxing of Wise and Boyd, of all people) and others here have mixed socially.

I don't really understand the aversion to doxing people here, these are people who wilfully interacted with Chris, i.e. were cruisin' for a bruisin' to begin with. People's identities being "relevant to Chris" is a criteria worth considering, after all, it's not the weenipedia. Whether Chris used their name and what name he used seems like so much autistic nitpicking. Picking and chosing who gets their name shared is inconsistent and open to some egregious abuses. To my mind if people are notable enough to be included they are notable enough to be named. (I won't get into the Suitress and Wallflower situations other than to say I don't agree, but the principle that these two got in more or less over their heads and deserve a pass is one that's grounded in basic decency, I think. Same with Doopie. I can't fathom why Coptiz's name was redacted, though, other than personal connections yet again.)

But more realistically, there are a few different categories: (a) the core dramatis personae, already doxed to high heaven, this would include Chandler family members; Meghan Schroeder, etc. (b) important Internet personalities like Meghan K. Ringo, the rest of the Watchmen, etc.; (c) major players in major scandals like Sean Walker, Isabella Loretta Janke, Devon John Infinito, Wise and Boyd, etc.; (d) public figures like (also) Devon John Infinito, Ethan Oliver Ralph, etc.; (e) random weens from the Internet who get doxed as sport like Rosa Ray Ramsey; (f) weens who take it to the next level like Ellen Underwod Willis or Dylon James Winfield. There might be one or more categories that could be added and I'm only focusing on recent history here but I feel like the gradations here are pretty objective and less liable to being abused, fewer double standards of which there are many at present.

A concrete policy is needed not only to produce better and more consistent quality content but to not just plain exude a scandalous lack of objectivity and distinct odor of backroom dealings.

Just how I feel about it. SpookyBones (talk) 15:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

P.S. There is only one "x" in "doxing". SpookyBones (talk) 15:18, 24 October 2021 (UTC)

Potential New Direction for the Wiki. "Life Advice", "Parental Guides", "How to be Normie and Not Chris", "Psychoanalysis Theories by Accredited Psychiatrists, Psychotherapists, and Therapists"

Now with Chris in prison and his life ruined forever permanently confirmed, this wiki will definitely be going through a dry spell aside from minor updates. (i.e. predictably, more letters, Chris getting abused in the shower room, being released as a homeless person at age 50, shock surprising us once again by attempting to molest a child only to get beat up by said child, than, shock surprising us again by trying to molest a horse, then getting clopped in the nads by said horse, and then dying, but not before defecating on his own face before he dies. His final words being "MMMMM! I love the taste of my own POOP!") ...So, to keep users active, I propose a plethora of new things. One of them being the creation of articles designed to keep people from falling into the same irrecoverable pit that Chris did. Chris was not the first to do most of the embarrassing things he did. There have been other lolcows on the net, and they all fall into similar pits if not as hard as Chris. Take David Gonterman for instance, or Robert Pelloni from Bob's Game infamy, ChaseTheHedgehog or YandereDEV or A-log. They all share similarities and a dash of the highly potent flaws that Chris possessed. Then you have to take into account that there are like 10000 or more people out there like them who are undiscovered. I am of theory that our society is dysfuctional, and made so because of a lack of care by wealthy individuals and policymakers and businessemn. And that if things aren't improved, there are going to be less and less prodigies, inventors, leaders, and cool people, and more and more lolcows and general losers like Chris.

Take for instance, this. A sign of the times: https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/minority-report/202007/why-millennials-love-anime-and-hentai-pornography

https://www.bustle.com/articles/99659-millennials-are-masturbating-to-my-little-pony-porn-says-new-survey-and-rainbow-dash-is-the


Now I've been inspired by this ED article, which is my favorite:

https://encyclopediadramatica.online/The_Comprehensive_Guide_To_Life


It contains so much useful info that a lot of people these days don't regard. They live their lives wrong, and then what happens? They get weirdo internet fetishes and become basement dwellers. They also get desperate and either become like that doll collector from Paranoia Agent or they hook up with volatile partners and suffer with it indefinitely or divorce. The children suffer the most, because they are confused and there is no light for them and they lack skills to become competent adults because Corps see all human beings as cattle to be milked for money, and money doesn't really have real value anyway outside perception when you think about it.


I think this wiki should rocket itself forward and become a learning tool. I worry so much about today's parents. I see them letting their kids use the internet and talk with fandoms that will lead to getting fetishes and becoming weird. I see Parent letting their kids eat McDonalds because they financially struggle, and the kids get fat, and then they get stupid because they are fat. Kids are also unable to go out side and exercise. They lack discipline and they need to know martial arts and yoga stances much like kids in Asian countries do and make a routine out of it every morning. Kids need to become worldly, and learn about all cultures and countries and people and ingrain good disciplines and clean their houses and manage their finances.

I think all parents need to know about Chris Chan, and have thoughts of him in the back of their head so that they avoid everything that Bob and Barb did whenever doing a parental decision so that their kid is happy and successful and moral and just plain good.

This wiki needs to recruit actual psychiatrists, therapists, and psychoanalysts, and other mental socio scientists to analyze our findings and create road maps to life fulfillment. --TippyToesTommyTalarico 21:22, 21 October 2021

That sounds like an interesting idea, but it goes far beyond the scope of this website. If you still wanted to do something like that here, you could make a personal user essay and open it up for other people to edit, but I don't think it would warrant actual article space. --4CentUser (talk) 01:22, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Conflicts of interest

Editors who have documented connections to the topics of articles should not be permitted to directly edit those articles. For more detail, see my comments on Talk:The Journey to the Merge#Deceptive attribution. --4CentUser (talk) 00:34, 27 October 2021 (UTC)

Barbara station

Just a quick heads up that there is now a train station called Barbarain Paris. I know it is named after a French singer, but I could not avoid noticing the name. Sorry for being busy: some people do have real lives. --Little Owl (talk) 10:03, 18 January 2022 (UTC)

Icons modernisation

I am putting out a request for someone to do a full review and refresh of the icons for the new {{Saga}} (Usage) template. This is because a number of them (such as that for Childhood and the CWCipedia) are provisional. My proposed specifications are as follows:

  • The icons should use the PNG file format.
  • The icons should have a transparent background.
  • The icons should be 32×32 pixels.
  • The icons for meta sagas should have a circular frame, to distinguish them from standard saga icons.
  • The icons should have a file name format of Saga icon [Saga Name].png.

I decided to suggest increasing the icon size from 20×20 pixels to 32×32 pixels, because the latter was the default size for Windows icons, until the XP era (source). Changing to 32×32 pixels will also allow more detail, while not affecting the retro factor.

Any questions, please reply below. --Little Owl (talk) 17:47, 22 May 2022 (UTC)

I have informed one submitter (via Discord) that 24x24 may be permissible as long as the other criteria is met. --Little Owl (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2023 (EST)

Non-YouTube videos

I'd like to add some videos to the CWCki, however, the content would make it difficult to host it on YouTube. (etc. NSFW content) Some videos on the CWCki are already on the Internet Archive, but I believed Marvin talked about possibly using PeerTube in the KF CWCki thread. Where should I upload these videos? --Gray Deign (talk) 21:31, 24 October 2022 (UTC)

Due to the uncertainty with the Kiwi Farms (Zayo just threw them out), I would recommend to consider establishing our very own PeerTube instance. --Little Owl (talk) 17:51, 24 October 2022 (EDT)

Endangered/extinct? links/websites

I've been working on replacing/finding archives for dead links in articles for the past few days. I think we should have a discussion of websites that are often used as references and can be considered as endangered. These websites should have a high priority in obtaining archives to prevent content from being lost. I'll start with a couple examples, feel free to add others and contribute to the discussion.

CWCipedia: / http://archive.sonichu.com/cwcipedia/index.php?title=Main_Page Is this something staff plan to fix in the future, or should we replace those links with archives from archive.org /etc?

Chris's Facebook page: / https://www.facebook.com/CwcvilleGuardian I've been getting a "This content isn't available right now" message when trying to view posts. Not sure if anyone else is able to view the page or if the account has been deleted, privated, or something else.

Kiwi Farms/CWCki Forums / https://kiwifarms.net/: Site is currently down right now after being pulled by ISPs, but is expected to come back up soon. Gray Deign (talk) 18:14, 26 October 2022 (EDT)

Marvin mentioned a server for CWCipedia stuff, he might be working on it still.
Regarding Kiwi Farms, how should we approach archiving? Wayback removed its archive of KF. There's still Archive.today. Maybe we could take screenshots of specific posts and upload to CWCki. We could also evaluate which KF references are necessary - I believe a chunk of those links are things like screenshots of Chris's tweets which we could replace with the CWCki's social media pages. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 09:33, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
I believe archive.today would be the best option to archive links from Kiwi Farms when the site comes back up. There are some pages that still use the cwckiforums.com domain as a reference such as July 2013 Facebook Posts; those should be replaced with the kiwifarms.net urls + archives when Kiwi Farms comes back up (unless the CWCki Forums link already has already been archived, then we should just replace the non-archived link). Other pages that use cwckiforums.com urls as a reference can be found here
I agree that Kiwi Farms links that are just screenshots of Chris's Tweets could be replaced with the CWCki's social media pages. Screenshots should be used for posts that are relevant to the CWCki, such as LegendaryChristorian's posts to KF.
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/good-day-people.34903/ / https://archive.ph/aVoza
https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-curse-each-and-every-one-of-you-all.34943/ archive: https://archive.ph/UCPRI Gray Deign (talk) 10:53, 27 October 2022 (EDT)
Kiwi Farms is now back up on TOR, but not yet for the clearnet, which is expected to be up for tomorrow. Now is a good time to gather screenshots and hopefully archives. Gray Deign (talk) 13:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)
Kiwi Farms is now back up on the clearnet! Gray Deign (talk) 21:08, 31 October 2022 (EDT)

Pages for Kiwi Farms posts

Continuing off the above topic, maybe we should have CWCki pages for archiving notable CWC-related posts from Kiwi Farms members for use as CWCki references, in a similar way as the social media pages archiving Chris's Facebook and Twitter and the Discord pages archiving his chats. For example, make Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian), Kiwi Farms posts (Null), etc. This would also help with keeping track of chronological order of posts. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 14:48, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

We could do that, but there are other pages such as CWCki Forums and GameFAQs that include Chris's posts without needing a separate page, probably because there aren't as many GameFAQs posts from Chris as there are tweets from Chris.
Maybe we could create/revise a heading within the Kiwi Farms page that archives important posts from Kiwi Farms in addition to LegendaryChristorian. We could also include a sentence in the lead section that list notable individuals that have made posts on Kiwi Farms; ex. "In addition to Chris and Null, other Christorical figures that have made posts to Kiwi Farms include The Man In The Pickle Suit, Alec Benson Leary, etc".Gray Deign (talk) 11:42, 5 November 2022 (EDT)
I'm not sure how large the page would become if posts from several people are archived onto it. If it gets too big later and necessitates a split it would require rewriting references that point to Kiwi Farms page to any split-off pages. So I think it would be better to split the posts by user at the start. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:29, 6 November 2022 (EDT)
I guess it would depend on how many posts would be included on the page. LegendaryChristorian only has two. Null has many, but I'm not sure how to discern which posts would need to be archived for users other than Chris. I do see your point though and it probably is better to create new pages, especially for those that could have long pages. Gray Deign (talk) 08:35, 6 November 2022 (EST)
My thought is the post archiving would be for use as in-article citations. Like, the Null article has a quote from Null and it's cited with a KF / Archive.today link. Instead the citation could point to Kiwi Farms posts (Null)#Sad about Chris's roleplaying which has the text from Null's post along with the KF / Archive link. I think this would give another option for archiving in addition to Archive.today. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 10:53, 6 November 2022 (EST)
I created a page for Kiwi Farms posts (LegendaryChristorian). If there's any feedback that could improve the article let me know. Gray Deign (talk) 12:19, 6 November 2022 (EST)

Generation IX Pokémon

Hey CWCki editors, Pokémon Scarlet and Violet just came out on 18 November 2022, and that will bring up the total number of Pokémon to about 1,008. This means that the Pokémon numbers for Chris's own Pokémon will clash with the new actual Pokémon. I recommend keeping and eye out for Pokémon with specific numbers such as #979 (Rosechu) and #982 (Sonichu), and update to reflect reality accordingly. For the latter, it is speculated to be Dudunsparce, but Bulbapedia has not confirmed it. Take care for the holidays and 2023. --Little Owl (talk) 10:56, 18 December 2022 (EST)

Template for resized high quality photos

Thinking about slapping together a template for use in files, to note when high quality photos are resized down significantly from original source, since the CWCki can't host high-quality images due to file size limits. Thinking of adapting something like Template:Needs Updating for this, and using a site like Imgur to host the original photos then putting the URLs into the template. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:14, 19 April 2023 (EDT)

Solution needed for archival of content currently hosted only at Kiwi Farms

There are several files which are too large to upload to CWCki that are used as references in some articles. For example, Discord chatlog files / large screenshots of Discord chats were posted on Kiwi Farms and linked here. Recently, Kiwi Farms has been deplatformed off the clearnet, though is currently still up on TOR. However this means that all such references which linked to "Kiwifarms.net" are broken and cannot easily be used as references. So ideally we should archive the chatlogs / screenshots elsewhere. Any ideas? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 18:09, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

https://img.nanaimg.net/ is run by the same webhost as new.onaforums.net who follow a lolcow, and got kicked off most file / image hosting sites. they take down nothing unless cp. <3 VoDKa (talk)
Is there some sort of redirect issue at that website? Seemed to redirect to an entry there instead of the main page. Does that website accept things like html files? I was thinking maybe Imgur could work for hosting images like large Discord screenshots. Or maybe the images could be split into chunks for uploading directly to CWCki. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 01:47, 24 June 2023 (EDT)
apologies. didn't see this until now. no kind of redirect issue, if you go to the site directly then it directs you to a freakout of the aformentioned lolcow. it should be fixed now. https://nanaimg.net/img/b6b61cbb89dd88aab35b658cc09bad3d.jpeg here's a raw link to an image, as you can see, works fine. they accept gifs and images, but not videos. imgur is fine, but they've been getting pretty anal about removing anti-trans, 18+ and controversial stuff lately. VoDKa (talk)