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| As an American citizen who has a job (albeit a crappy job, but it's still a job) I feel cheated that some of my money may potentially be going to this manchild, not to mention I think it would be lulzy to see Chris lose everything.
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| Who would I go about contacting to get a re-evaluation of Chris's condition as relating to his monthly disability checks? I'm not denying that he has problems (as that should be very obvious), but I think that he is highly-functioning enough for wellfare to be unwarranted (he likely put that his autism hampers his social skills and thus renders him unfit for work, his large Internet presence is proof enough that this is bullshit).
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| The only record of his autism is that 2004 paper which, for reasons as mentioned in it's article is not really a good analysis of Chris's condition, so if they decide to investigate it would be most likely mandantory for them to get a fresh opinion. Also, this page (which will eventually surface in any search of CWC, most likely Chris will mention it himself) shows all the money wasted by Chris, and is damning evidence IMO (though CWCki being a semi-biased third-party, there will be concerns about legitimacy, and obviously Chris will decry "HACKERS").
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| There would also be concerns from the CWCkians that even if Chris were to fail a reevaluation and be forced to look for jobs, that he could simply say no one will hire him and get unemployment without actually trying to apply. I would think, however, that the Virginia employment commission would keep tabs on his case, and contact the employers for their confirmation of their refusal to hire Chris (I live in Texas and have been through 2 jobs, the workforce here DOES keep tabs on you like that. In my case it wasn't about abusing the system, but just confirming that I found another employer (whom they had previously called unbeknownst to me), so I'm basing my assumption of how the system works off of this experience).
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| Another underlying theme I'm getting from the article and the comments (though I may be fucking up the context) is that the arrangement Chris has now may not be 100% legal, which could lead to extra lulz.
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| Also, the 9/11 videos would maybe show that Chris has no respect for the government and only exists to exploit it.
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| I am serious about doing this as not only would this potentially direct my tax money to someone who needs it (or another leech amirite :P ) but it would also be a welcome kick into reality for Chris. The only problem is that I don't know exactly who to contact, should I write to my Congressman, to the Social Security Administration, or to the Virginia Employment Commission directly?
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| I apologize if this has been asked before, I'm a n00b plus I haven't seen anything about it here.
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| tl;dr: hey guyz, let's sink Chris's tugboat :3 [[User:Cadpig|- Cadpig]] 18:32, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
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| * From what I've understood, other people have tried to get the State to get Chris's tugboat revoked and have failed. Apparently, the state doesn't care about Chris blowing our hard earned money.
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| : Trust me, as a citizen of the same state Chris lives in, I'd love to see him go down HARD, but... --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 18:46, 11 January 2010 (UTC) | |
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| * That sucks! >_< I'm going to try anyway though. Even if it ends in failure like all the rest, I can at least say that I tried instead of idly paying for Chris's blowup dolls and video games. I will contact all three of the things I listed (Congress, the SSA, the VEC), and hopefully one of them will maybe turn an eye towards this. [[User:Cadpig|- Cadpig]] 18:53, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
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| :* Go ahead and take your shot. There's nothing to lose here except Chris's check. On the other side, Please note that you are not going against a single diagnostic (the '04 papers) but every public official, including teachers, who have dealt with Chris in the past. This will also includes bureaucracy inertia who prefer to be lazily wrong than taking steps to makes things right. I have my personal take on this; Chris is taking "blood" money? This makes this site moral. I will never laugh at a mentally deficient person working a menial job because that person is carrying his own weight. Chris on the other side... [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 19:42, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
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| You tea party kids can very well try, but I doubt you're going to fulfill your fantasy and get someone kicked off of state assistance. When you have affidavits on your side, it's quite difficult to get them rescinded. But by all means, try. [[User:TheInfendoNut|TheInfendoNut]] 10:01, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
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| At the risk of sounding like a white knight, I have one question to ask of everyone who thinks Chris is unnecessarily sponging off the state and could hold a job if he wanted to: would YOU even remotely consider hiring him? I sure as fuck would not either.[[User:Senzuri|Senzuri]] 15:00, 6 February 2010 (UTC)
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| :*No, but Chris isn't unemployable because of his autism or any genetic, biological factor. He is unemployable because of his actions and nothing more. I can't honestly find sympathy for someone who's laziness, theft, dishonesty and disregard for legitimate authority have lead to the creation of a wiki dedicated to studying him (and with over 1,000 articles now to boot). Nobody made Chris unemployable but Chris. -[[User:Ronichu|Ronichu]] 03:21, 5 May 2010 (UTC)
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| Give me a break, it's a couple of hundred of dollars each months. Yeah, it's stuff that could be used to feed the poor, but so could the money you guys use to pay for your internet connection. As this is one of the things that Chris does that actually negatively affects people, I feel like it's one of the major things people attempt to scapegoat him with and justify their lulzy levels of RAGEEEEE. [[User:Chaosakita|Chaosakita]] 07:53, 15 March 2010 (UTC)
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| Don't bother trying to get rid of the tugboat. You can't, you won't, it won't happen. You don't have demonstrable proof that Chris is faking his autism, for example. Never going to happen. Enjoy knowing that taxpayers are not only going to contribute a million dollars (quite literally) to Chris over his lifetime through the tugboat... and don't forget, Chris also gets food stamps every month too (not factored into that million). [[User:Elephant|Elephant]] 17:08, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
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| I'm pretty sure the tugboat is voided if you are tried for treason, so lets mail the 9/11 video to the Virginia government and see if we can get him branded as a traitor.--[[User:Dan Dash|Dan Dash]] 22:15, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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| :Government mail servers are so inundated with e-mail that I doubt that they would ever see it, but the reaction would be quite lulzy if they ever do watch it. --[[User:BreadGod|BreadGod]] 22:48, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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| ::I bet nothing will get out of it even if they watch the tape. Chris is a certified Nut-Job. Then, there's the whole "Freedom Of Speech" that applies right there. So, unless Chris leaks nuclear technological secrets to North-Korea, He's pretty dandy with the Treason laws of the U.S. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 23:10, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
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| :Damn, some of you guys really want him off his tugboat. [[User:TheInfendoNut|TheInfendoNut]] 22:12, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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| :SSDI is a federal, not a state program. If you want him off it, use this form: https://www.socialsecurity.gov/oig/public_fraud_reporting/form.htm. We want him off of it because it's much lulzier if he has to find a job. Right now he's not doing anything interesting, just sitting in his room playing PS3. SSDI's requirements are fairly strict and in fact the vast majority of people who apply are rejected, so Chris being on the tugboat does demonstrably hurt people who are far needier than he. And there's a chance at getting his case re-evaluated if enough of us submit the form. I submitted one as a representative of "People for Welfare Transparency." A few more like that and there's a chance, however slim, that we can get the ball rolling.
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| "The sequence for adults is: 1. Is the claimant performing a Substantial Gainful Activity? If yes, deny. If no, continue to next sequence. 2. Is the claimant's impairment severe? If no, deny. If yes, continue to next sequence. 3. Does the impairment meet or equal the severity of impairments in the Listing of Impairments? .[2] If yes, allow the claim. If no, continue to next sequence. 4. Is the claimant able to perform past work? If yes, deny. If no continue to next sequence. 5. Is the claimant able to perform any work in the economy? If yes, deny. If no allow the claim."
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| In other words, NO FUCKING WAY Chris qualifies.
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| In the state of California at least, the 'monthly tugboat' averages out at about $825-$850. If California's process is standard for the rest of the country, (which it should be, because it's a federal program) he has to go in for re-evaluations or they'll stop payments. In other words: Once his parents kick off, he's almost certain to lose his funding since he is too much of a stupid fuck to do the paperwork or act like a human being during interviews. Plus, he'd most likely be too lazy to even go to the meetings. -R
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- Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).
Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --Wild Sonichu 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)
Disambiguation
'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --Robotnik 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)
I liek both the above ideas. --Jump 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)
$800,$750?
I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?(Drlugae 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))
- The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --Champthom 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
- The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. Elephant 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
State or federal?
Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? V3N0M1300 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
- It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --Fuckingstupid 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)
- It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --Champthom 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)
On Advice of Bob?
Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --El Presidente 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)
This is bullshit
NOT. A. FORUM. --Cogsdev 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)
Are you guys crazy?
To everyone who wants Chris to lose his monthly tugboat, get a real job etc. I have just one question for you? Why on Earth, given everything we know about CWC would you want him in the work force.
Imagine that Chris did lose his tugboat, and had to get a real job, (and by some miracle was able to hold it). Imagine then, that one day you walk into the Charlottesville Taco Bell, only to find Chris behind the counter. What is your reaction? Do you say "Hey Chris, good to see you working, I'll have three soft tacos?" Or do you instead run out of the store and call the Va health department?
tl;dr it's not welfare, it's a government program to spare people the unpleasantness of dealing the effects of Chris-Chan in the work force.
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Retards, psychos, ex-cons, etc can all get jobs. The jobs they get are pretty rough- fruit picking, stacking shelves, doing stock audits- but there are plenty of jobs available for the otherwise unemployable. They're extremely strictly supervised and remarkably un-fun, but they exist. Chris could do one of those... but as I said (way, way up higher on this page), I doubt Chris could even do those. He'd just simply refuse. Chris made himself unemployable. Nobody else. If someone chooses to make themselves unemployable through their actions, I don't really have a lot of sympathy for them. --Ronichu 20:07, 7 August 2010 (PDT)
- This, and the CWCki editors aren't the first people to speak out against welfare abuse. I can't speak for Virginia, but here in Minnesota, I've worked at tax-subsidized sort of make-work centers. At this one place, criminals, immigrants, and retards (such as me) filled manufacturing and packaging orders for companies which would usually be done by machines or illegals or something. Like, for a couple weeks I sat there and unwound coils of rubberized, like, magnets that tore off in little squares (like this except sort of perforated every few inches), two squares each, like 10,000 times a day.
- Anyway, point is this is the kind of place you find working with state and county social services to find employment. This isn't the kind of place Joe Neurotypical works for. This isn't the kind of place CWCki editors work for. Frankly, I'm getting the impression that a lot of CWCki editors just don't know a lot about this kind of thing. I don't mean to come down on other people here. I mean, I'm sure you all don't know less than the public at large, but I think we can all agree that works for the public at large doesn't work for Chris.
- "Someone's already thought of that" is all I'm trying to say. Not a panacea, not a sure thing, not magic, but there are ways. —Thepicklesuitintheman 22:24, 7 August 2010 (PDT)
I do agree and obviously you have a better insight than I into this (I don't even live in America, nor even the northern hemisphere). I readily accept Chris has autism and could easily settle for a less than extraordinary life. Hell, if Chris can find himself a normal job such as stacking shelves or whatever then he'd have a fair bit of respect from me. He would have accomplished something which exceeds his limitations. I would imagine the trolling would, eventually, dry up too (over years and years). Chris could live a reasonably normal life. But... he doesn't want that. He wants everything give directly to him for no effort at all. Rather than accepting his limitations and working to better himself, he believes he has a billion fans simply because he made something. Neurotypical or not, that doesn't fly with me. --Ronichu 23:22, 7 August 2010 (PDT)
- I'm glad I'm not the only one who thinks that. Chris has the potential to have a, albeit very awkward, normal life. But that's probably why so many of us are here, because he has the potential but not the desire to be normal because he thinks he is special. If he got and kept a job and kept his internet presence to a minimum, I'd probably start to feel bad about people trolling him.--Caboose -1 08:11, 8 August 2010 (PDT)
Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms?
"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."
I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --AntonImaus 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
- Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. Dkaien 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)
- Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --AntonImaus 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)