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Anonymax is hereby a CWCki admin

Because I am far too STRESSED to constantly monitor CWCki like I use to, and because the CWCki has gotten larger, I hereby dub Anonymax a CWCki admin. May he use his powers for good, not evil. If you have problems, you can all stop bothering me bring your problems to him as well.--Champthom 20:10, 9 November 2010 (PST)

• everyone keep bothering champthom -- Clyde 20:49, 9 November 2010 (PST)

A booru for CWC-related fan art

Hi guys. I'm here to ask you a simple question.

There's a site out there that allows you to create a free "booru". A "booru" is an online gallery that anyone of its members can contribute to. Another "booru" feature is tagging: e.g., if you add a "rosechu" tag to all pictures featuring Rosechu; then, if you search for "rosechu", you'll find every pic with the "rosechu" tag; etc. It's quite a useful thing. Examples of "boorus": Danbooru, Gelbooru, Paheal (aka Rule 34).

I can create a booru (on the site I mentioned) for CWC-related fan art, for CWCkians to browse and contribute to. The question is, are CWCkians interested in this? That's what I want you guys to tell me.

P.S.: Btw, there's a lot of fan art pics on CWCki, and most of them aren't used in actual articles. If such a booru were to exist, all these pics could be safely deleted from the CWCki database, I reckon. --GokuGetEm 11:01, 10 November 2010 (PST)

Fan videos

I think we should limit the fan videos to 2 max per page, since thay are not really relevant and most of the time don't add much, take for example the "CWC fighter" page, currently it has 6 fan videos.--Basgon 11:18, 12 November 2010 (PST)

A counter for the main page

Since this is like the fifth time Chris has declared he's leaving the internet forever, do you think a counter could be added to DA Update? Like the old one which counted how many days he'd missed on his page a day schedule, it could count how many days he lasts before he uploads another video. Chris doesn't tend to last too long on these things but he did go for a month and a half over the summer without a video update and it might be interesting to see if he manages to beat his previous record. Whispsonichu 13:34, 22 November 2010 (PST)

That actually sounds like a pretty good idea. --BreadGod 13:59, 22 November 2010 (PST)

Chris has survived 5092 days without the Internet

• His latest quit attempt started on 22 November 2010
  
• His longest quit attempt lasted ?? days.
  
• He has unsuccessfully attempted to quit 5 times.
  

My initial idea for it. The tech for it works. --Anonymax 15:30, 22 November 2010 (PST)

• Oh wow, that looks really good. Whispsonichu 15:31, 22 November 2010 (PST)

I also have another suggestion to respectfully add to this. If the site has the available bandwidth and space, why not run a streaming news ticker across the front of the page under the CWCki banner, just before the main page articles? This is for when Chris "possibly" goes a longer length of time away from the internet. Say, 50 or 100 days goes by, it could say something like; "BREAKING NEWS: Chris has been away from the internet for 100 Days Now! A NEW RECORD!". Something to that effect, but I think that would be a fun idea. Maybe throw in some random quotes as well and factoids as well, much like the "Did you Know...", but do it as a streaming ticker. --Chris Pickles 00:12, 26 2010 (EST)

working on the Sonichu comic articles

They are way too fucking long. They need to be shortened down. Sonichu 9 for example. I mean fuck who is actually going to read that than just watch the audiobooks or some shit? -- Clyde 10:40, 4 December 2010 (PST)

• I took a crack at the #9 article. I think the problem with the pages for #9 and #10 is that users were updating the article as Chris was updating the comics on CWCipedia. So the summaries read like shit because it was a bunch of people tacking their reactions everytime Chris added new pages. Hopefully Sonichu 9 reads better now, even if it may not be short enough.Dethchemist77 17:18, 4 December 2010 (PST)

Chris, the Master of Disguise

is it worth creating a page detailing all the times chris has gone "undercover"? like the kacey call, junior jenkins, the emails where he pretended to be a teenage girl or whatever, and any time he pretended to be an "evil troll". i think his bizarre attempts to act like another person and believe he's fooling everyone provide good insight into how his mind works and how he sees the world. plus it's funny as fuck -- Acousticvirgin 15:53, 7 December 2010 (PST)

• I don't know. It sounds like a good idea with some potential....maybe we could make it a new addition of the Chris and Cosplay page? After all, that's what it is, in a sense.... --EdtheHedgehog1894 20:31, 7 December 2010 (PST)
  • Junior Jenkins isn't Chris jackass. Canine 23:41, 17 December 2010 (PST)
    • I think a seperate "Disguises" article would be a good idea. Cosplay doesn't cover his mentality when trying to be someone else. Don't forget Carlos the lover! Shock Waves 09:48, 21 February 2011 (PST)

Hey, I'm lazy

Can someone make a PSN tracker template or some shit for the front page? Basically, people will keep an eye on Chris' PSN activities and update the template. So something like "DATE - Fatty uploaded a new cart to modnation racers. Go downvote it now!".

Or something. Whatever. Canine 15:57, 20 December 2010 (PST)

• I would refrain from using language like "fatty" and any concrete trolling plan in response but given the amount of time Chris spends on the PS3, it is worth documenting. There's a requested template award in for it.--Champthom 17:21, 20 December 2010 (PST)
• If only such a template existed/was updated regularly. It would be especially useful if it were updated by someone reliable, such as Clydec. I guess we'll just have to keep hoping. (It isn't a template though. FUCKING WRITE ON HIS TALK PAGE GOD DAMN). Freecell 17:41, 20 December 2010 (PST)

The CWCki Quality Review

I've gotten some complaints about the quality of the CWCki. Now I haven't really noticed anything super bad but this is something I hear from some people and I think that given the CWCki's second anniversary is coming up next week, we should have a frank open discussion about article quality and think of ways to address it.

I encourage everyone who uses the CWCki to offer their feedback so we can maintain the high quality standards we set for the CWCki.

So, I ask you all this - how is the CWCki doing? What do you think of article quality? How could it improve? --Champthom 13:47, 18 January 2011 (PST)

1) I think the top priority for the CWCki in Year Three is to organize the content we already have. MachPunch has been kicking ass sorting videos and saga-related content, and I think that's the sort of thing we need right now. For example, Chris was working on a novel last year, and most people probably forgot all about it, because the details are buried in the Wallflower E-mails, instead of being presented in their own article. We have a lot of raw information here, and I think part of the CWCki's role should be to digest those primary sources, so a reader can get the highlights without having to pore over hours of chatlogs or sift through weeks' worth of e-mails. Dethchemist77 14:59, 18 January 2011 (PST)

2) The second priority needs to be to crack down on namefaggotry going on around here. I don't object to personalizing one's user page, or using the user talk pages, but lately it feels like that's all some users do around here. The emphasis needs to be on the articles, not introducing yourself and your agenda to the community. Conversely, it annoys me when users add useless shit to articles, as if making any contribution at all increases their wiki XP or something. I'm thinking specifically of those dumb "reaction shot" images, but the same can be said for excessive piping, speculation, or anything where quality takes a back seat to quantity. In moderation, the reaction shot images could be funny, but mostly they just felt like someone was trying too hard. Dethchemist77 14:59, 18 January 2011 (PST)

Just a small complaint really, (Since DethChemist already hit all the truly necessary points) but I think some further research is required on some pages. For example, the Zapina article says (paraphrasing from memory) that while still a shitty character, Zapina hasn't really ripped off another character. I took one look at Zapina and realized that she's a transgendered version of obscure (And almost-universally disliked) Sonic character Charmy Bee, with a lightbulb in her ass instead of a stinger and the head traded out for Sonichu's. (Why Chris would do this is just... I dunno, really, but it IS Chris.) Anyway, just a reminder that maybe some further research is required on some articles. DJChaos 15:18, 7 February 2011 (PST)

JenkinsJinkies Articles

Coffee Place and Amanda articles need to be dealt with. I'd suggest that the Coffee Place article become a subsection of List of Christian's edits to the CWCki and become a redirect, while the Amanda article just be deleted. Freecell 22:30, 30 January 2011 (PST)

• Coffee Place article should be preserved as it is a historical document in its own worth. Perhaps Amanda could be incorporated into Burger King?--Champthom 22:08, 4 February 2011 (PST)
  • You should add a disclaimer or header to the Coffee Place article mentioning that it was written by Chris. --Thorgnzorrg 20:52, 14 February 2011 (PST)

Foreign languages

While there's always work to be done on the CWCki, since there probably won't be new Chris related content for a while, I was wondering how many CWCkians are proficient in foreign languages. It may be an interesting endeavor and perhaps could work with [{TheCWCvilleLibrary]] to create subtitles for all of Chris's videos. That way, all the world can know of Chris's failings.

I think Spanish should be the first language, but I'm curious if this is feasible given the current user base. Thoughts?--Champthom 22:08, 4 February 2011 (PST)

• I've taken French as a second language class for 7 years and I've done two French immersion courses. If it's necessary, I can do that. I'm not sure how useful it would be, though. Is it just adding subtitles to videos, or is it translating the entire wiki into a foreign language? If it's the latter, there's no point in trying. If it's the former, there are still diminishing returns. I've been to France a few times and there are very few people there who can't speak English pretty well, and most can read it even better. The only French people I've met who couldn't speak or read any English were those in Aix, and they barely even have computers there. It would be a very small group of people that this would appeal to. If anything, they should be translated to a west/east Asian or Far-East European language, as it's much less common for them to speak English. Freecell 05:23, 5 February 2011 (PST)
• Spanish is my first language, so I could work on those subtitles if you decide you need them. Cesare 14:11, 7 February 2011 (PST)
• I could do Polish, as it's my mother tongue. LittlePigBlanket 00:48, 17 February 2011 (PST)
• It's really great to hear some responses, I've brought up the topic of subtitles here which could use some discussion. Freecell does make a good point that a Asian or Far-Eastern European (what constitutes that BTW?) language would help reach the wider audience though the problem is that I'm skeptical if there's anyone into Chris trolling is competent in these languages. I've thought about translating Chris's comics but that would be a bit more difficult as any translation would work, but first I think we need to work on getting the comics on the CWCki in the first place. Anyways, there's some good potential here. --Champthom 15:11, 17 February 2011 (PST)
• My mother tongue's Cantonese, maybe I can do Chinese? Tell me exactly what to do and I'll find time to do it. Sidre 00:05, 22 February 2011 (PST)
• French is my first language, I can translate whatever you want into it. Longue vie à Chris ! DuckNTurn

improvement project proposal

http://sonichu.com/cwcki/Special:AllPages

http://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Special%3AAllPages&from=%22Damian+Antaria%22%2C+PLEASE%2C+Don%27t+Leave+Me+-+I+NEED+YOU!!!&to=9+October+2009&namespace=0

Every article needs to be improved. This must be a notice on every page for people to start taking dumb shit out of articles. Video articles should be locked once it's in its final form. If people want to make changes, they'll have to go through the talk page. Pages need to be approved by a mod before we can move onto the next set on the AllPages Special page.

The project will start from all the non-alphabet characters.

-- Clyde 15:29, 9 February 2011 (PST)

• While you're free to edit pages as you deem fit, I will not lock pages as pages can always be improved as you nor anyone else is the end all final word of Chris. --Champthom 16:09, 9 February 2011 (PST)
• Another thing, I think one way you can help maintain your standards of quality is to edit the style guide and you're welcome to establish expectations for articles and general style. I think that would be a very good way of you and your other Improvement Team members to really help the CWCki.--Champthom 16:30, 9 February 2011 (PST)

Uploading the comics

I think one of the few faults with the CWCki is that at current, we don't have the Sonichu comics on the site. True, they're on the CWCipedia mirror but I believe those constitute the retconned comics with altered names.

Therefore, I'm offering a Gold Star Bounty to anyone who contributes to uploading every Sonichu comic, original and retconned versions, onto the CWCki and incorporated them into the article. Obviously these are primary sources from Chris and should be on the CWCki itself so CWCki users can use them for research purposes and that sort of thing. --Champthom 11:39, 1 March 2011 (PST)

I was thinking about this yesterday when I saw that 789chan thread. I don't have anything planned this afternoon so I guess I can upload them. Should this get its own article, or should they be put as galleries in the existing Sonichu Comic articles? Freecell (t/c) 11:55, 1 March 2011 (PST)

• I think galleries on the respective comic pages would make the most sense, no? --Champthom 15:19, 1 March 2011 (PST)

Episode 0 done. I'm thinking I should upload the files and also link to a .zip file download in the appropriate article so that people can download the whole issue. Once I'm done I guess I'll make a .zip for all of the issues in one. Freecell (t/c) 12:14, 1 March 2011 (PST)

I'll do more later. I'm just going to change the download locations because I forgot to make them .zip files. Freecell (t/c) 13:35, 1 March 2011 (PST)

• For those who wish to contribute, my dear friend Gecko made .rar files of the comics here and here. I think this covers up to issue 7. --Champthom 16:12, 1 March 2011 (PST)

• Okay, so looks like Freecell uploaded iussues 0 and 1, while I've uploaded 2 and 3. Not sure how to do 4 as I know a lot of of the subepisodes are already on the CWCki somewhere but maybe we should upload them anyway. In any case, do contribute, it'll help the CWCki and it'll get you a sweet userbox. --Champthom 17:04, 1 March 2011 (PST)

• Just finished with 6, I think I'll call it a night.--Champthom 17:30, 1 March 2011 (PST)

• I can do issue 11 (Sonichu 10). Isarko 17:41, 1 March 2011 (PST)

• Sonichu 10 is up and has a gallery. There were three pages that overwrote CWCki Vandalism images, but I don't know how to fix that, and it didn't seem to me like it'd be that great a loss. I'm uploading a rar of Sonichu 10 to MF, since it doesn't seem to exist.Isarko 19:55, 1 March 2011 (PST)

• I'll start Sonichu #9 --Xanabit 17:56, 1 March 2011 (PST)

Aw hell, seems I overwrote some of the things in the CWCkipedia Vandalism page. Should I go through and upload new versions of that gay trucker comic? --Xanabit 19:37, 1 March 2011 (PST)

I guess I'll do Sonichu #8 now. I'll do it with the censored versions, because the porn is already on the comic page. Uhhg, wish me luck... --Xanabit 20:20, 1 March 2011 (PST)

As far as I can tell, we still need 2, 5, and 6 uploaded, unless they follow a different syntax from the other ones you guys uploaded. Other than that it's done. Freecell (t/c) 16:09, 2 March 2011 (PST)

• I'm pretty bored right now, so I'll take care of what's left of 2, and try to get to the others while I'm at it. Isarko 14:08, 3 March 2011 (PST)
• Sonichu 5 is up. I drank a lot while uploading it. Sonichu 4 and Sonichu 6 are left, from what I gather. Isarko 15:23, 3 March 2011 (PST)

I think they're all done now, only thing left is to put these on the appropriate comic pages.--Champthom 13:09, 19 March 2011 (PDT)

Good analysis example

This could go in Policy but I don't feel like ruling up from high on this, but mostly showing a good illustration of something. A lot of people complain that the CWCki has too much "sperging," that is (in their opinion at least) analysis and the like. Now personally, I think there's some level of analysis. If you read Moby Dick and think it's just about some guy going after a whale, you're missing out. Likewise, if you think Sonichu is just a crudely drawn comic, you're also missing out. Now here's a good example, from the [{Sonichu (character)|article]], a small section about how Sonichu is a Mary Sue. Now this could go on for pages, you could get into all sorts of shit with Freud and pull stuff out your ass on this one and go hog wild. But instead, it's two short paragraphs that say what should be obvious, that Sonichu serves as Mary Sue in that Sonichu allows Chris to fulfill his wishes and desires in an idealized world. That's all people really need to know and this section covers it well.

So try and avoid analyzing if you can but if it's warranted, keep it to a minimum. --Champthom 13:16, 19 March 2011 (PDT)

Take these raining Chris heads off now prz

I can't read jack shit with these damn things.  :(

A Message to the CWCki

You know, I've been thinking and I'll be honest with you - Chris is probably dead. Not dead, literally, mind you, but he's probably not going to come back to the Internet for a very long time. However, given that, I think this is a time to consider the next stage of the CWCki. There is a very real purpose to continuing to edit the CWCki on a regular basis. Abe Lincoln might be rotting in the ground but that does not stop people from researching his life and saying new things about him. Likewise, just because Chris isn't making new content on a daily basis does not mean that everything said about Chris has been said. There's still a very real need to look closely into Chris's past material and to connect it with each other. A lot of media is on the CWCki but not incorporated into other pages. The CWCki should be maintained to its renowned high standards so that those who did not personally experience first hand the fail of Chris can do so so that Chris's antics will be recorded for time eternal.

I also see a valuable use for the Caption Crusade. Captioning allows for translation into other languages, which can bring in trolls who may not have heard of Chris otherwise and bring in new perspectives that the current American-centric worldview of the average Chris troll would have.

In short, there's still plenty of things to do and now is as good as any time to do it, if not better. So I hope you all stay with us and continue to contribute to the CWCki.--Champthom 18:54, 9 April 2011 (PDT)

I love you Champ. --Ronichu 05:43, 10 April 2011 (PDT)

New article name

'Sup. For the past couple of days I've been working on merging the Chaotic Combo (Asperchu), Basement Rosechus and Mitch Sonichu pages, because they were all shit. The final draft of the merged page is here. Both Freecell and Champ have given their approval, but we need a name before it's moved into the main namespace and replaces the old pages. I suggested "Asperchu parodies", but Champ doesn't like it. Put your suggestions for a new name here and we'll go with whatever sounds good. --Old meme 06:36, 20 May 2011 (PDT)

Jerkops wanted

I'm looking for a few temporary jerkops, possible permanent position. Obvious qualifications include not being a fag (in the colliqual sense, of course - homosexuals are a-okay) and an editing history on the CWCki (in other words, I recognize your name). Experience with wikis a plus. Contact me if you feel you're qualified. --Champthom 09:08, 25 July 2011 (PDT)

Liquid's YouTube account is gone

As some of you might already know, Liquid closed his YouTube account recently. Luckily for us, all of his videos were mirrored on the CWCville library beforehand. Unfortunately, most the Liquid videos which were embedded on this website were from his YouTube account rather than CWCville library. We need to do some massive work here and re-embed Liquid's videos. I already started fixing videos on some articles and I've seen some other guy here helping as well, I hope others will also pitch in. --NegaCWC 14:39, 27 July 2011 (PDT)

Emails vs E-mails

Currently we have a pages "Emails" to list the various Email pages on the CWCki, with some individual pages ("Clyde_E-mails") using a dash, and some not ("Megan_Emails,_2008"). This means a search for "Clyde Emails" or a search for "Megan E-mails" will fail to find these pages. I propose we create redirects to every "e-mails" page from the equivalent "emails" one and vice-versa to make searching easier. Any objections? BubonicTheHedgehog 01:34, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

• Huh, looks like "Email" is the preferred spelling, according to Wikipedia at least. So yeah, we really should be all "email" then, no?--Champthom 02:03, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
  • Email seems more natural to me, I'd support a change to all pages being under "email". Since visitors may search with either one, I think redirects would still be worthwhile. As far as I can tell I don't have move permissions, so I can't do that part, but if you want tomorrow I can start adding redirects from "E-mail" to any pages that already have the preferred "email" usage. BubonicTheHedgehog 02:15, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

• Hmm, I'm starting to move some of these and I notice there's a discrepancy in style. For instance, the Chris emails will be "Chris emails 20xx" whereas the Megan emails are like "Megan emails, 20xx." See, there's that comma, which is irregular. Parenthesis should do the trick, like "Megan emails (20xx)" or should we do them like the Chris emails with just a space in between? --Champthom 02:27, 7 August 2011 (PDT)
  • Eh, probably just a space, that'd be consistent with both the format for the Chris emails and years in the timeline and such. The only place I see () is for the exact dates (IE IRC Chatlogs which uhh.. actually are also inconsistent, some are like (12/1/09) and some are like (12_January_09).) Anyway, my vote would be no parenthesis for year or month and year, parenthesis for exact dates. Then the dates just need to be made consistent. (Sorry, I seem to keep finding crap I can't fix myself) EDIT: looks like the dates are ok, they just have redirects.BubonicTheHedgehog 02:37, 7 August 2011 (PDT)

Userboxes (Re {{femdom}} ^(Usage))

Moved from a now deleted category - may the userbox discussion continue --Anonymax

I'm pretty lenient when it comes to user boxes, at least moreso than most people, but I think this is something along the lines of the furry user box in that it's inviting trouble for people. I mean, I have no problem personally with people who are into this sort of thing, whatever floats your boat, but I think that 1) this is inviting trouble, that is inviting people to get trolled such as the furry userbox and 2) do we really need to know which CWCki editors are into this sort of thing?

I mean, certain uses boxes have a purpose - it can tell me where your from can tell me what time zone you're in, what languages you can speak, what are your interests in editing the CWCki (for instance, if you like transcribing). Those sort of user boxes are helpful - if something needs transcribing, I can look at someone who has a Transcriber template on their page and ask them to do it, or have them look over a transcript. If I'm trying to decide who to make a jerkop, knowing where you're from can help me determine the coverage, so essentially the CWCki can constantly be monitored. I sorta brought the first userboxes mostly as ways to jazz up user pages and encourage people to participate on the CWCki. Unfortunately, some people see user boxes as an ends rather than a means and it seems to aggravate people.

I've brought this up before but no one seemed to comment, so I've left it as the status quo. But does anyone have a convincing argument why we should leave this user box, and does this really serve the CWCki to know which users are into this sort of thing?

Like I said, it's not just a problem with this template alone, it's with many other user boxes that really don't seem productiv

Thoughts?--Champthom 07:12, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

• Technically I should put this in the talk page of the template itself, but it's the fact we have an entire category devoted to this that really irks me.--Champthom 07:13, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

• I guess it doesn't really matter. I just saw how everybody had really random userboxes that didn't seem to have anything to do with anything and figured I would make one. I'm the only one using this userbox, so I guess that is the definition of a pointless userbox. Femdom 07:25, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

• I don't mind this userbox. I think it'd be better off as a user subpage than in the template namespace, but I don't really care either way. - LucidFox 09:02, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

Eh, unlike Wikipedia - we don't have such a crowded template namespace - so I generally don't mind userboxes being in the template namespace. Some points about userboxes (I previously championed a revamp a while ago to help standardise them):

• Users creating new userboxes should consider how many people are likely to add it to their userpage. 5+ would be nice.
• If the userbox is too specific/unique (i.e. I made a userbox for CWCkipedians called Anonymax) then it will get deleted
• Users creating new userboxes should promote it to users to whom the userbox may apply, via their user talk page. Just a short "Hi, I made this userbox and thought it may be relevant to you" will do.
• Users should never edit the userpage of others to add a userbox - two exceptions:

• A userbox has been moved, renamed or superceded by another userbox
• The user doing the editing is a jerkop+, and has good reason to be messing with that page (for example, if we confirm that the user in question is Chris).

Stick to these guidelines, and I'm cool with our current userbox stance/unofficial policy. --Anonymax 14:14, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

• If this category and userbox are allowed, then it only encourages others to make categories and userboxes for their own peculiar fetishes. What's next, a userbox for men who like to swallow semen? One for people who like shoving things up their arse? Better yet, how about a general Category:Anal Play with individual subcategories and userboxes for Anal Beads and Dildos?
  Like the furry example, the listing of sexual fetishes contributes nothing even remotely valuable to the CWCki, invites more sperging and faggotry, and encourages unwanted attention. If people want to talk about their sexual fetishes, then they should take them to the General section of the CWCki forum. Oh wait – that kind of thing is forbidden there too, and for a good reason. – BrianBash (talk|cont) 17:09, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

Currently this is a candidate for deletion IMO - as I envision userboxes to be more like {{IRCReg}} ^(Usage), {{Britfag}} ^(Usage) and {{Hex-Box}} ^(Usage). --Anonymax 17:21, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

Hey since I'm an admin, can I just obliterate the few crappy userboxes that exist like this one without having to call to order the CWCki community to debate about it? Another candidate for deletion is {{UnderWatch}} ^(Usage) (from Delabonte days). --Anonymax 17:27, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

Made some bold moves on this case. I've relocated the userbox to a subpage of Femdom's userspace (User:Femdom/Userbox) and moved the discussion that we had on the category page to here. Maybe I should have used the policy page - but meh. I deleted the category. Personalised userboxes should be in the user namespace, and not have a "CWCkipedians..." category. --Anonymax 18:01, 3 September 2011 (PDT)

• I had similar thoughts, I just wanted a second opinion though. Good move, Anonymax.--Champthom 04:41, 4 September 2011 (PDT)