Difference between revisions of "Chandler Family Tree"

From CWCki
Jump to navigation Jump to search
Tag: Manual revert
Line 107: Line 107:


=== John James Hollomon ===  
=== John James Hollomon ===  
Bob's maternal grandfather '''John James Hollomon Sr.''' (3 May 1868 - 16 Mar 1950) <ref>[https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10638068/john-james-hollomon]</ref> was born in {{w|Meigs County, Tennessee}} but lived most of his later life in {{w|Wylie, Texas}}, a city and suburb in {{w|Collin County, Texas|Collin County}} and {{w|Dallas}} respectively. He was a well-known local pharmacist in the Collin county for over 50 years. He married twice in his life, first to Mary Francis Hollomon (née Teer 10th March 1872 - 3 Jul 1914), the daughter of a doctor specializing in osteopathic, whom he had 4 children including Jean Hollomon, Bob's mother. In 1915 he married Helen E. Hollomon (née Nelms 10 Apr 1893 - 29 Oct 1972) with whom he had 3 more children including Bob's half uncle Dr. John James "JJ" Hollomon Jr (1917-1992). Bob reminisces that Hollomon gave him a straight razor "by means of [Hollomon's] last will and testament," and Bob instead broke it while using it as a screwdriver, which he later held onto this regret for decades well into his 60s because he believed Hollomon wanted him to have it as a personal item and value.
Bob's maternal grandfather '''John James Hollomon''' (3 May 1868 - 16 Mar 1950) <ref>[https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10638068/john-james-hollomon]</ref> was born in {{w|Meigs County, Tennessee}} but lived most of his later life in {{w|Wylie, Texas}}, a city and suburb in {{w|Collin County, Texas|Collin County}} and {{w|Dallas}} respectively. He was a well-known local pharmacist in the Collin county for over 50 years. He married twice in his life, first to Mary Francis Hollomon (née Teer 10th March 1872 - 3 Jul 1914), the daughter of a doctor specializing in osteopathic, whom he had 4 children including Jean Hollomon, Bob's mother. In 1915 he married Helen E. Hollomon (née Nelms 10 Apr 1893 - 29 Oct 1972) with whom he had 3 more children including Bob's half uncle Dr. John James "JJ" Hollomon Jr (1917-1992). Bob reminisces that Hollomon gave him a straight razor "by means of [Hollomon's] last will and testament," and Bob instead broke it while using it as a screwdriver, which he later held onto this regret for decades well into his 60s because he believed Hollomon wanted him to have it as a personal item and value.


Notable enough, his father was an Esquire John Richmond Hollomon (1831 - 1899), a lawyer and attorney in the Meigs County area.<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70362078/susanna-brady#:~:text=of%20her%20son%2C-,J.R.%20Hollomon%20Esq.,-of%20this%20county</ref> More notable enough, his grandfather Pleasant Hollomon, served in the {{w|Tennessee House of Representatives}} in the Meigs and {{w|Rhea County, Tennessee|Rhea County}} counties from 1849 to 1851. A democrat, he was a constable of the 5th Civil district of Meigs county in 1836-1839, was a deputy sheriff of Meigs in early 1840s and a deputy and tax collector in 1845.<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70361465/pleasant-hollomon</ref>
Notable enough, his father was an Esquire John Richmond Hollomon (1831 - 1899), a lawyer and attorney in the Meigs County area.<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70362078/susanna-brady#:~:text=of%20her%20son%2C-,J.R.%20Hollomon%20Esq.,-of%20this%20county</ref> More notable enough, his grandfather Pleasant Hollomon, served in the {{w|Tennessee House of Representatives}} in the Meigs and {{w|Rhea County, Tennessee|Rhea County}} counties from 1849 to 1851. A democrat, he was a constable of the 5th Civil district of Meigs county in 1836-1839, was a deputy sheriff of Meigs in early 1840s and a deputy and tax collector in 1845.<ref>https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70361465/pleasant-hollomon</ref>

Revision as of 18:26, 7 January 2024

Chris's ideas about his ancestry and lineage unsurprisingly differ greatly from what is known to be true.

What Chris Actually Believes

This Chandler Family Tree includes pets and people Chris imagines to be related to him: 

      Ancient leader                 Anne Boleyn,
          of the                   Queen of England──────Mary Boleyn
       Cherokee Clan                      │
             │                           ???
             │                            │
             │                      Richard Weston,
             │                   1st Earl of Portland
            ???                           │
             │                           ???
             │                            │
             │                    Daniel Weston
             │                            │
           Robert              Jean      ???
          Franklin-----------Hollomon     │
         Chandler Sr.   │    Chandler     ├────────────────────────────────────┬─────────┬─────────────────────┐
                        │                 │                                    │         │                     │
    Patricia          Robert           Barbara          Jack    Ran        Corrina    Harriett     Tom      Raymond
    Chandler---------Franklin------------Anne-----------Dale or Coleman     Weston     Ashby-----Ashby      Weston
               │   Chandler Jr.   │    Weston    │   Smithey    Yeatts                                         │
   ┌───────────┤            ┌─────┴─────┐        │                                                             │
   │           │            │           │        │                                                             │
 David       Carol     Christopher     cats     Cole                                                        Jonathan
 Alan       Suzanne       Weston               Smithey                                                       Carey
Chandler    Chandler     Chandler
   │                        │
   │                  ┌─────┴─────┬───────────┬───────────┬───────────┐
   │                  │           │           │           │           │
Savannah            Patti      Crystal     Sonichu-----Rosechu     Reginald
Chandler           Chandler     Weston              │              Chandler
                               Chandler             │
                                              ┌─────┴─────┬───────────┐
                                              │           │           │
                                            Cerah     Christine     Robbie

Poké Family Tree

Poké Family Tree
Poké Family Tree

Chris naturally drew his family tree in the form of Pokémon. He gives pilgrim hats to those on the Weston side and feathered headdresses to those on the Chandler side, both in reference to the extremely dubious tales of Chris's heritage.

Below is a transcription with the format Name / Date of Birth / Description / Culture and Pokemon.

Top row
Row 2
Row 3
  • Carrie Edna Weston / ? / ? / English Pilgrim Clefairy
  • Joseph Otto Weston / ? / ? / English Pilgrim Haunter
  • Jean Holloman Chandler / ? / ? / Native American Vulpix
  • Robert F. Chandler Sr. / ? / ? / Native American Farfetch’d
Row 4
  • Victoria Wynn / ? / ? / English Pilgrim Victreebell
  • Robert Wynn / ? / ? / English Pilgrim Fearow
  • ? / ? / ? / English Pilgrim Missingno
  • ? / ? / ? / English Pilgrim Dugtrio
  • Frances Holloman / ? / ? / Native American Jynx
  • J Holloman / ? / ? / Native American Porygon
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Jigglypuff
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Sandslash
Row 5
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Missingno
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Exeggutor
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Missingno
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Kadabra
Bottom row
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Missingno
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Hitmonlee
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Nidorina
  • ? / ? / ? / Native American Persian

Actual family tree

Basic ancestry of Chris is depicted in this tree.

Imaginary people removed:

Harvey Powers updated family tree.gif

A full-sized family tree going back many generations can be viewed here[1][2][3][4].

Notable ancestors

In chronological order from most to least recent death, Chris' notable ancestors are:

Robert Wynn

Barbara's maternal grandfather Robert Pettis Wynn (17 Nov 1877 - 20 Jan 1952) was allegedly a two-timing drunk and moonshiner who "failed to provide even the most basic support for his wife and children".[5] In his death certificate, his profession is given as tobacco farmer.[6]

John James Hollomon

Bob's maternal grandfather John James Hollomon (3 May 1868 - 16 Mar 1950) [7] was born in Meigs County, Tennessee but lived most of his later life in Wylie, Texas, a city and suburb in Collin County and Dallas respectively. He was a well-known local pharmacist in the Collin county for over 50 years. He married twice in his life, first to Mary Francis Hollomon (née Teer 10th March 1872 - 3 Jul 1914), the daughter of a doctor specializing in osteopathic, whom he had 4 children including Jean Hollomon, Bob's mother. In 1915 he married Helen E. Hollomon (née Nelms 10 Apr 1893 - 29 Oct 1972) with whom he had 3 more children including Bob's half uncle Dr. John James "JJ" Hollomon Jr (1917-1992). Bob reminisces that Hollomon gave him a straight razor "by means of [Hollomon's] last will and testament," and Bob instead broke it while using it as a screwdriver, which he later held onto this regret for decades well into his 60s because he believed Hollomon wanted him to have it as a personal item and value.

Notable enough, his father was an Esquire John Richmond Hollomon (1831 - 1899), a lawyer and attorney in the Meigs County area.[8] More notable enough, his grandfather Pleasant Hollomon, served in the Tennessee House of Representatives in the Meigs and Rhea County counties from 1849 to 1851. A democrat, he was a constable of the 5th Civil district of Meigs county in 1836-1839, was a deputy sheriff of Meigs in early 1840s and a deputy and tax collector in 1845.[9]

John James Hollomon in 1910

William Teer

Stress.jpg

This article is still yet to be completed due to stress.

We get a lot of stressful torture in our lives that makes us crash into slumber. Given that inspiration is a big variable, and we may have been lacking of it, this article will be completed as soon as possible, at our own pace... HONEST!

This article is missing the following:


• Grammar, wording & punctuation

Bob's maternal great-grandfather Dr. William M. Teer (29 Mar 1837 - 19 Oct 1919) was born in Neshoba County, Mississippi and grew up in Angelina County, Texas since he was 10 years old with 7 siblings. They later moved to Hopkins County outside of Cumby in 1860, working as a farmer before enlisting in the army for the Civil War.

In October 1861, William and his younger brother Wiley (1839 - 1862), at age 24, enlisted in Confederate Army at San Antonio while his older brother, James (1830 - 1863), enlisted in the Union Army. Serving in the unit 4th Texas Cavalry Regiment, he participated in the New Mexico campaign for 2 months under General Sibley. Both of his older and younger brothers died in the war; James died at a prisoner of the war camp of Williamsburg, Virginia in 1863. Both William and Wiley fought in the battles of Valverde and Glorietta Pass in New Mexico, where in April 1862, Wiley was "lost or killed" and William was seriously wounded from his shattered right arm and damaged spleen, thus contracting hepatitis. After Texas Army's supply wagons was captured by the US Army, they retreated, abandoning William and other soldiers who were recovering at Santa Fe hospital. He was subsequently captured and shortly was paroled in May 1862, returning back to San Antonio. As a result of his injuries and disability, he was discharged from his unit on September 1863, returning to his home in Cumby and worked as a farmer despite his right arm being shattered.

William was married 4 times during his whole life. On December 1862, he married Mary Frances Carraway, whom she passed away in 1867 and remarried Louisa Frances Spears in 1868. That marriage also ended early and he married Nancy Jane Coburn on January 1871. He had several children from this marriage including Mary Francis Teer, Bob's maternal grandmother and wife of John James Hollomon. After Louisa's death in 1894, a decade later he remarried to Bettie King in 1907 until his death in 1919.

In November 1903, having been inspired by the nerve damage in his shattered right arm, William established himself as an osteopath doctor in Tyler, Texas, specializing in "Exopthalmic Goitre, Biliary Calculi (Gall Stones) Paralysis and all Nervous Diseases". He was a president of the State Association of Drugless Doctors of Texas and advocated massaging and other holistic approaches to wellness. As a doctor in Tyler, he was described as a very respected and "endorsed [biographer's] many" prominent members in it's city society. After he retired, he resided at Texas Confederate Home in Austin before moving back to Cumby in 1918, where he later passed away on October 1919 at his youngest daughter's Miller Grove's home from complications of "paralyses second stroke."

William was mentioned in a book called "Texans who Wore the Gray (1907)" written by a Confederate officer, journalist & author Sidney Smith Johnson (1940-1910), who described William as "a brave Confederate soldier, a man of fine education and a Christian gentleman."

Joseph Chandler

At least two of Chris's ancestors is known to have fought for the Confederacy in the American Civil War, and one of them is Joseph Chandler (14 April 1832 - 1921) of Autauga County, Alabama, Chris's great-great-grandfather. Joseph Chandler along his paternal line enlisted in the Confederate Army as a private in 1862, serving in the unit 38th Alabama Infantry Regiment before being paroled in 1865 after the conclusion of the war.[10][11] Joseph's professions after the war were shoemaker, herbalist and a farmer.[12] When questioned about his family's military history, Chris denied that his father's ancestors had fought for the Confederacy, although, oddly enough, he conceded that his mother's ancestors may have done so.[13]

Joseph also had a younger brother Edmund (1835 - 1865, Chris's great-great-granduncle), who also fought for the Confederacy at Camp of Instruction, Talladega, Alabama, died as a result during the war in 1865.[14] Joseph's two younger sons John (1876 - 1932) and Rufus (1880 - 1932), both passed away on March 21, 1932 in Chilton County area, presumably from the 1932 Deep South tornado outbreak.[15][16]

Rev. Sidney Smith Chandler

Reverend Sidney Smith Chandler (1805-September 1866) of was a Baptist minister and clergyman in Alabama, he is Chris's great-great-great grandfather along his paternal line.

Francis Weston

Francis Weston Sr. (Feb 1793 - 19 March 1838) was an English-born immigrant to the United States. He is Barbara's great-great-grandfather along her paternal line, making him Chris's maternal great-great-great-grandfather.

Born in Derbyshire, he had immigrated to Ohio by the 1820s, marrying Grace "Gracy" Weston (née Moore) in 1821, also an English-born immigrant from Derbyshire. They had six children, the oldest being Mary Ann Weston in 1825 and the youngest Joseph Edward "John" Weston in July 1836,[17][18] all in Augusta Township. Through Joseph, Francis's surname would be carried on to Barbara, which, in turn, would serve as the basis for our hero's middle name.[19] Francis would pass away at age 45 in March 1838, 2 years after his youngest son Joseph was born.

In a later pseudo-historical account of events by Barbara and Chris, Francis is replaced by a certain Daniel Weston. Unlike the historical Francis Weston, Daniel Weston travelled to North America in 1620 (a whole 2 centuries earlier than Francis), and has the honor of being of a descendant of Anne Boleyn (whose only daughter died childless).

John Chandler and Elizabeth Lupo

Although there is no evidence that his mother's ancestors were on board the Mayflower, Chris's paternal ancestors were among the first settlers of his home state of Virginia. Chris's direct male ancestor John Chandler (c. 1600-1657), a native of London, was an early settler of Jamestown, Virginia, arriving in 1610 with a boat Hercules, ten years before the Mayflower.[20] John married the widow Elizabeth Lupo (née Bassano), a member of the illustrious Bassano family of musicians who had been recruited from Venice by King Henry VIII to serve in his court (some have claimed that the Bassanos were of Jewish origin, but the jury is out). The Chandler family migrated southwest over the generations, passing through North Carolina and Georgia before settling in Alabama, Bob's home state.

John Chandler is the fifth great-grandfather of the Confederate veteran Joseph Chandler mentioned above, and the ninth great-grandfather of Chris.

Edward, Thomas Palmer & Thomas Overbury

Thanks to John Chandler's grandson's wife Elizabeth Palmer, Chris's 7th great-grandmother, some Christorians did research about her ancestors. Chris has three known ancestors, two of which are Chris descendent of, and other is distantly related.[21][22][23]

Chris is a descendant of his 10th great-grandfather Edward Palmer from Gloucestershire, England, a gentleman with antiquarian interests who was known for his extensive collections such as Roman coins and is best remembered for purchasing the then unnamed Garrett Island in colony of Virginia (now Maryland) for his plan of establishing university at the island.[24]

Edward had a son whom Chris is also descendant from. Thomas Palmer settled at Jamestown, Virginia on a boat Tyger with his wife Joan Jordan and 11 years old daughter Priscilla in November 1621. Shortly after their arrival at Jamestown, the Palmers were nearly killed by the Powhatans during the Indian massacre of 1622, but survived by living in Jordan's Journey shelter residence. Thomas was a captain in command of a company of militia from Shirley Hundred Island and was a member of House of Burgesses at Jamestown on October 16, 1629.[25]

Perhaps notably, Thomas was a first cousin of poet and essayist Thomas Overbury through his father's sister Mary Palmer and her husband Nicholas Overbury. Overbury was known for his poem, A Wife, and a victim of murder by poisoning which led to a scandalous trial.[26]

Hugh and Isabel Bardolf

How Chris is related to Anne Boleyn.

Hugh Bardolf (c. 29 September 1259 - c. 20 September 1304) [27] and Isabel Bardolf (born Isabel Aguillon; c. 25 March 1258 - c. 28 May 1323) [28], Chris' 19th great-grandparents, were a medieval English couple who married in 1281. According to a Redditor's Wikitree research in 2022, they are Chris' most recent shared ancestors with Anne Boleyn (albeit on his father's side, not his mother's): they gave birth to Thomas (Boleyn's 6th great-grandfather) in 1282, Margery around 1283, William in 1284, and Nicola (Chris' 18th great-grandmother) around 1294. This means that, although Chris is not descended from Anne Boleyn, he is indeed a distant relative. This is hardly surprising, as all humans are relatives of each other of varying distance.[29][30]

In addition to being the source of Chris's distant connection with Anne Boleyn, Hugh Bardolf was the first nobleman of Baron Bardolf, a noble title in the Peerage of England. His wife Isabel was a member of the Aguillon family (of French origin), who were feudal landowners in England. Isabel's father, Sir Robert Aguillon (c. 1226 - 15 February 1286)[31], was a Sheriff of Surrey & Sussex County and a keeper of two castles in both counties.

Hugh Bardolf's descendants unite with those of John Chandler in 1700, when Robert Chandler (John's grandson, 1659 - c. 1720) and his wife Elizabeth Palmer (Hugh's 10th great-granddaughter, b. 1664) give birth to Joseph Chandler (11 Aug 1700 - 11 Oct 1764), Chris' 6th great-grandparent, in New Kent, Virginia.

A stark contrast can be observed in the fact that Hugh's first child is the ancestor of prestigious nobility (namely an Anne Boleyn and actual queen of England, Elizabeth I), while Hugh's fourth and last child is the ancestor of our infamous protagonist.

Ancestry.com content

In January 2017, a distant relative of Chris posted images to Kiwi Farms, on various documents relating to the Chandler family, acquired from Ancestry.com[32]

Bob is apparently an only child, however Barbara has five deceased siblings and several more living ones.
Most of Chris's ancestors were farmers, doing tasks that Chris would find back breaking.
Chris, from what I gathered, is not 1/16 Cherokian. He is however 1/16 British and 1/8 French Canadian.
His great great grandparent's from Northern Ireland.

The "Northern Irish" ancestor was Chris's great-great-grandmother Mary Weston (née McClintic, 31 Oct 1834 - 25 Dec 1910). Mary was born in the town of Omagh (whose name means "the virgin plain" in Gaelic) in County Tyrone, in what is today Northern Ireland. She came to the United States between 1840 and 1850, likely as a result of the Irish Potato Famine.[33] She settled in Augusta, Ohio, where she married Joseph "John" Edward Weston, Chris's great-great-grandfather, in 1858, who was also from Augusta. Both later settled in Clarksville, Virginia.[34]

The "French Canadian" ancestor was Chris's great-grandmother Sarah Jane Weston (née Hamilton, Apr 1867 - 25 Jan 1938), who was born in Huntingdon, Quebec and came to Virginia with her family during the 1870s, settling near Red Oak.[35][36] Although the majority of Quebeckers speak French, her surname and the fact that she was born in a predominantly English-speaking part of Quebec suggest that she belonged to the province's English-speaking minority. Moreover, her paternal and maternal grandparents were all born in Scotland, making her of entirely Scottish descent.[37][38] Sarah is Chris's most recent immigrant ancestor.

  • Joe Weston WW1 military draftee (1917)

  • Bob's father's WW2 military draftee (1940).

  • Bob's 1946 military draftee.

  • John James Hollomon's newspaper obituary (1950).

  • 1956 9 25 - Bob, Patricia marriage license.

  • 1961 6 17 - Barb and Ran marriage license.

  • 1963 5 15 - Barb, Ran divorce.

  • Bob's father obituary (1977)

  • 1980 1 7 - Barbara, Jerry divorce.

  • 1980 1 28 - Bob, Patricia divorce.

  • 1980 6 7 - Borb marriage license.

  • Bob and his parents - 1930s census.

  • Bob and his parents - 1940s census.

  • Bob in Jacksonville State University dormitory room - 1950s census.

  • Barbara and her parents and siblings - 1950s census.

  • Bob's birth certificate.

  • Chris's family tree up to his great great grandparents.

  • Cole Smithey's family tree.

  • David Alan Chandler and Kimberly Fay Howard's marriage certificate.

  • Savannah Chandler's family tree.

  • Chris's ancestry, showing him to be 100% pure cracker. Also note the got-dang Y chromosome..

See also

Sources

  1. ↑ Bob's Ancestors
  2. ↑ Bob's Immediate Family
  3. ↑ Chris's Maternal Grandmother
  4. ↑ One of Chris's Maternal Uncles by Marriage
  5. ↑ http://www.harveypowers.com/wynn/wynn/d118.html#P141
  6. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/238604751/robert-pettis-wynn
  7. ↑ [1]
  8. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70362078/susanna-brady#:~:text=of%20her%20son%2C-,J.R.%20Hollomon%20Esq.,-of%20this%20county
  9. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/70361465/pleasant-hollomon
  10. ↑ A Kiwi Farms post with a record of Joseph Chandler
  11. ↑ https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-soldiers-detail.htm?soldierId=0AA5818C-DC7A-DF11-BF36-B8AC6F5D926A
  12. ↑ http://alagenealogy.com/Patriarchs/Chandler,%20Sidney%20Smith.htm#JOSEPH%20H.2%20CHANDLER
  13. ↑ Jail Letter - 25 May 2022
  14. ↑ https://www.nps.gov/civilwar/search-soldiers-detail.htm?soldierId=C3A5818C-DC7A-DF11-BF36-B8AC6F5D926A
  15. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/106731994/john-tyler_morgan-chandler
  16. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/26986157/rufus-sidney-chandler
  17. ↑ Joseph (listed as Edward Weston) with his three older siblings and mother Gracy in 1850 census)
  18. ↑ Gracy Weston (Joseph's mother) in 1860 census with her son Francis
  19. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/118642485/francis-weston
  20. ↑ https://www.geni.com/people/John-Chandler-l/6000000008639070482
  21. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Palmer-2791
  22. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Palmer-533
  23. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Palmer-229
  24. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Palmer-544
  25. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Palmer-229
  26. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Overbury-10
  27. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Bardolf-9
  28. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Aguillon-5
  29. ↑ https://old.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/tedhwz/barb_may_not_have_been_related_to_anne_boleyn_but/
  30. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Aguillon-5
  31. ↑ https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Aguillon-4
  32. ↑ https://kiwifarms.net/threads/interesting-info-about-chriss-family-particularly-their-parents.27521/
  33. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/22502739/joseph-mcclintock
  34. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/24279732/mary-weston
  35. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/35318370/sarah-jane-weston
  36. ↑ https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/6823228286:62476
  37. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/249266361/jane-hamilton
  38. ↑ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/249027191/daniel-hamilton

v • d • e  
Delusions and enablers
Fantasy World
Cult of the Idea Guys
Fantasy-induced events
People appropriated by Chris as 'OCs'
Retrieved from "http://sonichu.com/w/index.php?title=Chandler_Family_Tree&oldid=318455"