Template talk:Selling Out

Is this template meant as a general replacement for "Business"? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

• Nah, "Business" is still relevant to all the videos Chris makes in exchange for donations; e.g. paid video requests. This template is made specifically for the period when Chris began pushing his own merchandise (mid-2014 to mid-2016). Basically, any video involving the advertisement of amiibos, medallions, shirts, etc., ought to be categorized under the "Selling Out Saga".--Galilean (talk) 19:51, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

• Is there a difference between the two, other than type of content? After all, the video requests are a continuation of a listing he made while he still had his Etsy shop and is the only thing left of his business. As an aside, I'm not sure why it's called the Selling Out saga. That implies Chris compromised his values with his products, but he's always been comically lazy about things and always intended for Sonichu to be profitable.

• • I didn't choose the name. From what I can tell, this Saga has gone through several titles, "Sonichu Revival", "Sonichu Merchant" and finally "Selling Out", which was adopted in November 2015. "Business" is a broad brush, while "Selling Out" is a very specific time period which ends with the closing of Etsy (with a few exceptions). Almost every video Chris uploaded during this time period consists of his merchandise being displayed out in the open. But once Etsy closed, this practice came to an almost absolute stop. This is indicative of a real transition between the "Selling Out" saga and the "Financhu Crisis", where Chris stopped trying and simply started e-begging. Since "Selling Out" has been listed on the Sagas page for several years, I assumed it was only fitting for it to have its own icon.--Galilean (talk) 20:47, 9 February 2017 (UTC)

I still think Selling Out is a misnomer, since Chris didn't sell out, and business/the moneybag icon describes the saga better than an image of Tomgirl Chris. I also like that the Business and Financhu Crisis icons both have money imagery - it's a nice reference to the fact that if Chris had just kept his sales going, he wouldn't have needed to beg so much.

I think there should just be one name for the entirety of "people pay Chris money for stuff" content - peaks and declines included. Maybe the Saga page could be edited to change the Selling Out name or at least define it more clearly (like your point that Chris still has ideas to earn money sometimes, like with the Skylanders stuff).Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 19:55, 10 February 2017 (UTC)

• I'm inclined to agree with you, Selling Out isn't the most accurate name, but it's the one that was adopted by the CWCki. I'm all for amending it, but honestly I don't think I could come up with anything better. Traditionally, Sagas have been represented by person-like figures relevant to the period--which is what I was going for with Chris's unhappy, green-haired persona. I was originally against the Financhu and Business icons because they deviated from this tradition, but they've come to grow on me.

• I disagree with your proposal to categorize all of Chris's videos motivated to making money under the same saga. Let me put what I mean into perspective: With the Love Quest, Chris's motivation was to get a girlfriend. This motivation led to periods in in his life where he made videos in a certain way; the Blanca Saga, when he was always on the defensive, and the Ivy Saga, when he was unbelievably creepy. Both stages in his life were motivated by the same symptom, but yielded different results. The Selling Out saga consists of Chris trying to make money by selling his crappy merchandise, the Financhu Crisis consists of Chris trying to make money by begging for handouts. Again, Chris is driven by the same symptom, but he goes about it in different ways. Chris's motivation to make a sweetheart from the ground up isn't saga, and I don't believe his motivation to make money should be a saga either.--Galilean (talk) 15:16, 11 February 2017 (UTC)