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'''Taser Discussion''' is a 48-minute long call involving Chris, several [[Watchmen]], and [[Praetor]] member Caden. Among the topics, Chris discusses wanting to use a [[taser]], a desire he had expressed previously in a leaked text message; he believes tasing his [[Gate Crystal]] and [[Celestial Key]] [[quartz crystals]] would assist with activating the [[Dimensional Merge]].<ref>[[The Place chats (February 2021)]]</ref>

A brief clip was leaked by the Watchman leader [[Naught]] on 8 February 2021.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-5-2021-chris-wants-to-play-with-taser-to-activate-the-merge.84502/page-8#post-8301396 Archive (https://archive.fo/YVFf8)</ref> However, the context of the clip was spun to paint Caden and Praetor in a negative light - Naught prefaced the leak with the comment, "Caden and cwc as Sonichu prime discuss the tazer and who will be tazed," omitting that, in the clip, it is a Watchman member who jokingly floats the idea of Chris tazing himself, Chris volunteering himself for it, then Caden telling him it is a bad idea.

The full audio was released on 30 [[June 2021]], lending new context to the nature of the discussion.

==Original Clip==
In the clip, the [[Watchmen]] member [[Val]] states, "Can you put, 'Can CWC- uh, like, tase himself on video for lulz'." Chris then responds, "I'll do it," to which Val bursts out laughing. [[Praetor]] member Caden then objects, saying, "Look, are you sure- There- they- like, we had a whole discussion about ''why'' it's a bad idea."

In his Kiwi Farms post, [[Naught]] named only [[Praetor]] member Caden and Chris as those present in the call. This omission led to speculation that Praetor's members were attempting to get Chris to tase himself. The Christuber [[GiBi]] produced a video on the topic in which he erroneously attributed all of the voices in the clip to Praetor members.<ref>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4HfueLWzjY&lc=Ugz1EEI4ON6dhsYi1gN4AaABAg</ref>

In a DM over Discord to a CWCki editor, [[Naught]] clarified that the voices present in the clip are [[Watchmen]] members [[Val]], Nova/[[Kyle]], [[The WCT]]; Praetor member [[Caden]]; and Chris.<ref>[[:File:Naught on Taser Discussion voices.png]]</ref>

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===Description===
From a Kiwi Farms forum post by [[Watchmen]] member [[Naught]]:

{{quoteboxgreen|[[Caden]] and cwc as Sonichu prime discuss the tazer and who will be tazed.}}

===Transcript===
<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: I- I-

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: No, I don't think they were. Like, at all.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: I don't think they were either.

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: I don't think anything at all was ever solved. In the slightest. [''laughs'']

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Not even a little bit.

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: Even-

<font color="#B45F04">'''Kyle'''</font>: When are you gonna do the- uh, testing video you promised?

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: The testing video?

<font color="#B45F04">'''Kyle'''</font>: Yeah!

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: Can you put, "Can CWC- uh, like, tase himself on video for lulz"?

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Well, we're gonna-

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: I'll do it.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: WAT.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: I'd volunteer.

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: What? [''laughs'']

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: I'd tase myself.

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: [''laughs some more'']

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: In serious and in joke, I would.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Look, are you sure-

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: Oh no...

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: There- they- like, we had a whole discussion about ''why'' it's a bad idea.

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: '''Oh no'''...

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Are you- we'll talk about this later, okay?

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: OH NO!

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: I really gotta go before we make any rash decisions that involve CWC being zapped.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Obviously. But I mean, this body is part electricity literally, So I could take it.

==Uncut Version==
[[File:Full Praetor chat context.png|thumb|200px|A Watchman explains the context of the full chat, and why it was clipped.]]

On 30 June 2021, Watchmen member [[The WCT]] released the uncut audio call (lasting about 48 minutes) onto YouTube, seemingly out of a desire to lend full context to the minute-long clip that was originally released on Kiwi Farms. In it, multiple Watchmen and Caden, a member of Praetor, talk to one another regarding the taser.<ref>https://kiwifarms.net/threads/feb-8-2021-full-chat-between-cwc-watchmen-and-praetor-on-the-taser.93863/#post-9340978 Archive (https://archive.is/IpODB)</ref>

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===Description===
{{quotebox|The never before seen original and uncut infamous taser call.}}

The pinned comment, written by TheWCT, reads:
{{quotebox|Who was in the wrong? 

you decide.}}

===Transcript===
{{transcript}}

''Text fades in and out onscreen:''

{{quotebox|On February 8, 2021.
Chris and the Watchmen would get into a Voice Chat with Praetor's leader Caden.}}

{{quotebox|After the call concluded, the Watchmen's leader Naught uploaded a minute long audio clip to Kiwi Farms without full context that aimed to demonize and discredit Caden and Praetor as a whole.}}

{{quotebox|For 4 months, this call remained private and kept away in local storage...}}

{{quotebox|until now.}}

{{quotebox|Originally recorded on February 8, 2021}}

''Audio begins.''


'''[https://youtu.be/3YCHjBp9Nys?t=24 0:24 timestamp]'''

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Literally and truly, putting a taser to the crystal was my own idea, and I got it through meditation and seeing into the future.

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: Well where's the ground in that circuit? Just thinking of it from an electrical perspective.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: The taser itself is a closed circuit. It's  all contained within a little box. It's a handheld zapper, we don't use anything that's, ya know, firing any projectiles. That's just not only a m-

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: That's because you keep erroneously calling it a taser when it's in fact a stun-gun. 

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: I don't want to bust chops over symantics here, when I bought it it said "taser" on e-bay.

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: Didn't you show a different one?

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: No no, we're using the exact same ones

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: No you said in the past a different one.


'''[https://youtu.be/3YCHjBp9Nys?t=84 1:24 timestamp]'''

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: No no, it's the same one. So we bulked ordered them, for the original purpose of sale. There's 10 of them right now. Uh, depending on how sales initially went, we were considering another order of 10-20. But, ya know, it's all based on what happens in this coming month. Whatever the case, this specific idea... what I don't understand is - while I do get while you're concerned about the safety of CWC, especially when it comes to the usage of a little zapper like that - at the bottom line that is that - not only 

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: ''[interrupting]'' Don't downplay it. Don't downplay it. A little zapper? No - it's a fucking self-defense instrument. It's not an instrument of mild irritation.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: If you don't wanna downplay it-

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Chris has had heart troubles in the past, so why wouldn't we worry?

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Well, I won't - I won't downplay it, these things are brutal. But, if you're using them correctly, you have no chance of getting zapped whatsoever. And frankly, we recognize Chri-

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: And this is [a very much off-label] use.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Well hold on. We recognize Christine as an adult who can make her own decisions and the fact that she requested one of these tasers… we thought that we’d let it happen. And will continue to let what she requests happen, happen. Unless it's something that's an absolutely out of proportion judgement - but we've never ever seen anything like that in our personal experience with her. We've full faith in the choices that she's making - and if she feels that this taser will bring about this-the dimensional merge than we're more than happy to experiment.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Or at the very least, a portal for me to finally get this body to CWCville.

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: I really don't think that's gonna work like that.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Well you don't know.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: You can get sonar by running electricity through just a regular non-soulfully powered quartz that you would get a lot more through a heavily programmed overpowered one!

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: That's because it's a distinct electrical instrument, using electrical purity quartz with a tolerance of something like 35bpm and that's for sonar which now presumably took out of scope or frequency.

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Besides the regular electricity from any regular device wouldn't really count, I mean, wouldn't the electricity coming from your body naturally be the kind that you would need to power such a thing?

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: That is one thing, yes. It’s not tangible from… it's not so tangible, I mean… I wish I could do a thundershock from this body where you could see sparks coming from these hands or these cheeks. But that's not happening right now, at least at this moment-

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Maybe your training's just not complete.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: The best I can do to show some power is between the visions and foresight and the limited tele- the limited telekinesis and telepathy.

<font color="#6d0302">'''WCT'''</font>: IMO you don't need that thing. 

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: You really don't.

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: D'you really need to prove-

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Unless you're defending yourself from a predator, I don't think so,

<font color="#6d0302">'''WCT'''</font>: A gun is more effective in self defense, but that's obviously not what we're talking about here.

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: *laughs* No.

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: Oh trust me, I know!

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Alright but anyway, the results were very good and Caden here will vouch for that - especially on the before on feeling[/filling?] the gate crystal and then AFTER sensing the gate crystal and the boosted energy that came out of it.

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: You got extensive experience tasing yourself Caden?

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Well ya know I've zapped myself a couple of times, I wouldn't sell something if I didn't know if it felt like - and uh - it doesn't feel good, I'll tell ya that!

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: Really? I've seen the one you've mentioned and uh - it seems like a lot to subject anyone to.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: It's a little rough - it's a little rough around the edges but, ya know -

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm sure that's - 

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Maybe you should do it again and videotape it.

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: I'm sure that's why they sell it. It's a little rough.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Oh it's a little rough for sure.

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Just to prove it's only a little rough...

<font color="#5f9c57">'''Kyle'''</font>: Yeah; shove it up your ass to see how much you like it.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: We were thinking of a demonstration if we could find a willing participant, well ya know, we're - we're looking.
[...]

'''[https://youtu.be/0nvcnPC1ZoI?t=578 9:36 timestamp]'''

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>:  Caden is the salesman. But you know the other members of our group here, uh, you know, uh, Caden, Owen, [[Bella]], Annibelle. But, yeah, we have a couple of genuine psychic types and they...

'''[https://youtu.be/3YCHjBp9Nys?t=863 14:23 timestamp]'''

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: There’s been lots and lots of people who could’ve made a buck off Chris, but they didn’t. Why?

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Well, because they weren’t smart enough.

<font color="##294e5d">'''Naught'''</font>: Do you really believe that?

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Actually that’s a valid statement right there, especially considering the [past life with Praetor?]

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: We recognize the value of partnering with CWC. We recognize the value of her talent and what she brings to the board. Now I understand the controversy we’ve raised, but frankly, we don’t intend on really moving that much, we’re very pleased with where we are, alright? If you have any grievances we’re happy to hear them, and we love feedback, ya know? Regardless of how much it hurts us. But we-

<font color="##294e5d">'''Naught'''</font>: Just interact with the retards that buy shit. I think it's that simple. It's what I said earlier, if you want to be a businessman or whatever, interact with the people, keep the optics up, and that's pretty much it!

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: That's what - that's our intentions.

[long pause]

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: So anything further?

<font color="#6d0302">'''WCT'''</font>: Does anyone else have anything else to discuss with Caden?

<font color="##294e5d">'''Naught'''</font>: No, I don't want to get pissed on and told it's raining.

<font color="#6d0302">'''WCT'''</font>: No, of course.

'''[https://youtu.be/3YCHjBp9Nys?t=952 15:52 timestamp]'''

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Chris why… why do you trust these people

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Because they have proven themselves in person with their kindness-

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Because they bought you things

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: No, that’s only part of…

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: That’s the reason though isn’t it

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Not initially! Not initially!

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: laughs in disbelief

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: They proved it to us without buying anything… initially… that is the truth. Eventually yes, that did come to be – but – they have proven themselves very much without-

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: So you’re going to choose them over us, is that how it’s going to go?
[...]

'''[https://youtu.be/3YCHjBp9Nys?t=1027 17:07 timestamp]'''

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: […] Let me just say, our goal is not to take anything. Our goal is not just to be screwing with Christine. Our goal here is just to make cash with her, as a partnership - right?

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Then why don’t you pay her more?

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: We do!

<font color="##294e5d">'''Naught?'''</font>: That income split is kind of fucked.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: THEY PAID ME 400 BUCKS las- abou- about a few weeks ago! They paid me 400 bucks…

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Out of the ''$6,000'' they made

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Let me just say-

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: It didn't.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Let me just say- Let me just say here, that our relationship with Christine, the ''friendships'' and the business side that we have with her, is not intended for- we're not going to move on it. We don't want to - we don't want y'all to think we're trying to take anything from y'all. Right? We don't want to screw around with sides. Because this shouldn't have to be a war.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: You're right.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Now I understand that there's a lot of animosity here, there's a lot of general discomfort, right?-

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: Where were we? Before, I uuh... what happened? I was pretty sure I said ”stop fucking lying”.

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Oh well, they're saying that they don't want to take Christine away from us, that the- they're not trying to [unintelligible]

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: ...*laughs* Christine...

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: I'm not being taken away from anybody, okay!?
[...]

'''[https://youtu.be/0nvcnPC1ZoI?t=1479 24:39 timestamp]'''

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>:  ...his name is Daniel. He lives he most majority lives in virginia. He works at Martha's Vineyard. He trucks around sometimes. He's lived in Vegas. His number was from Vegas and so forth. Freakin' bats. And after we confirmed all that information that we have foreseen...

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: Confirmed with who? Confirmed with who? Confirmed with who? You said "confirmed the information", with who? Who confirmed that information?

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>:  ... all right, well, Bella...

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: All right...

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: Well, confirmed the information. But don't tell anybody outside this group about that.

<font color="#B45F04">'''Kyle'''</font>: You know that was leaked a little bit ago.

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font>: But aside from that, I... we... confirmed it now. But she had... she confirmed it. She told us and that allowed us to confirm it, with [[Mewtwo]], with [[Magi-Chan]], and with Christine here.

{{RageQuote|Still in my body! This is still Sonichu!}}

'''[https://youtu.be/3YCHjBp9Nys?t=1782 29:42 timestamp]'''

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: I understand that. Personally, I'd kill for a sheet cake. One of those ''[Scream in the background]'' nice vanilla based ones? I just love that. It kills. ''[Scream continues]''

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: Is Chris like...?

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: I don’t know

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: There was like some shouting or some fucking shit…

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: “Maybe Chris ate something spicy and there’s issues to be had; the bathroom’s become a war-room”.
[...]


'''[https://youtu.be/3YCHjBp9Nys?t=2040 34:00 timestamp]'''

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: You're a total fucking faggot, Caden.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: Now I'm just ruined.

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: And you will be. And I garuntee by the end of the night, I’m going to be speaking to your mother and telling how terrible her son is.

<font color="#0B3B0B">'''Caden'''</font>: honestly, if you end up getting me a paddling from mommy, I’m going to be so upset.

<font color="#8000FF">'''Val'''</font>: [laughs] and I hope you should be!

<font color="#8606a9">'''MKR'''</font>: Honestly I started out trying to be really nice, but you just like started getting like more suspicious and creepy and mean, and I just-

<font color="#0033FF">'''Chris'''</font> Why do we have to have all this sarcasm and negativity talking shit?

==Analysis==

In Virginia, you can legally own a taser without a permit, unless you were convicted of a felony (not to be confused with a [[law|misdemeanor]]).<ref>[https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter5/section18.2-308.2/ Code of Virginia § 18.2-308.2]</ref><ref>[https://www.nbc12.com/story/11562047/stun-gun-protection/ NBC News]</ref> This can come as a bit of a shock to readers from some countries like Germany and the United Kingdom, where even the police {{w|Electroshock_weapon#Legality|must have a good reason}} to use one.
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