Talk:Ultimate Guide to Sex and Disability

So. Obviously this book has more content than the "How to talk to girls" section. Do we paste the relevant parts of the book that chris took out of context to justify his behavior and link them to the incest points? Or do we just make a list here of the quotes then decide what to do with them. --Cwcvillepharmacy (talk) 04:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

This is essentially an analysis page, so I say go ahead and take quotes he took out of context and link them.PsychoNerd (talk) 09:56, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

I also propose adding a section where it talks about his attempts to mentor people. His ego was clearly through the roof sex-wise when he attempted to mentor the Suitress about her "long-term" relationships. It also kind of shows how little he actually cared by that point. PsychoNerd (talk) 10:16, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Relevant quotes from the book (Stolen from discord copypasta, ie: our human shield, Greene County Health Department)

Chris' Justification for everything

• "As long as the fetish doesn't involve hurting themselves, or somebody else, and is consensual, we don't think people should be quick to judge fetishes as abnormal or threatening"
  • This statement frames the whole analysis of the book. It gave chris the mental justification that what he was doing was okay. Of course it was taken completely out of context in that it doesnt apply to situations that most societies would deem as unacceptable (ie: Incest, Pedo, etc) -Cwcvillepharmacy (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• "Maybe if disabled people on the whole weren't so excluded from life and normal life experiences, then the devotee attraction would not seem weird at all, but rather a factor of the magical continuum of desire, or the notion that there's at least one somebody for everybody-- and hopefully, in all our cases, lots of somebodies"
  • Again, justification for his actions -Cwcvillepharmacy (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
• "We tend to class attractions as 'normal' and 'abnormal', and an attraction to disabled folk is firmly assigned to the 'abnormal' basket. Restrictions on who we're supposed to be attracted to seem the only 'abnormal' thing to me."
  • Having sex with my mom would be viewed as abnormal, but since this book says its okay, then its okay! They just dont understand! -Cwcvillepharmacy (talk) 16:14, 19 October 2021 (UTC)

Every 3 days

• The chapter on Spontaneity, states "successful spontaneity often happens as a result of careful planning. people tend to see this need for planning as a negative thing, but it is really an opportunity to expand our sexual horizons. regardless of disability it can be a good idea to plan ahead for sex"

Misc

• ugh, this whole book just keeps saying "in case you talking about sex with people makes them uncomfortable, fire your caretaker and get a new one who is sex-positive". like every scenario the author keeps assuming that the reader shouldn't feel shame about voicing their sexual needs constantly to those around them and that everyone who is uncomfortable with it is just ableist because disabled peoples' sexuality is inherently taboo

Opinion/Analysis

• really this whole thing is under the assumption that the reader already knows about consent so it isn't really brought up with the perspective that they're the one who should be asking for consent. rather that they're the one people are assuming doesn't consent, when the contrary is true and the reader is DTF always and needs to vocalize it
• For a quick summary of the general lessons that the book takes away, it emphasizes how it's important to take away taboos with people who are disabled and dependent on a caregiver who want sex, and it emphasizes breaking that taboo and getting comfortable asking for help achieving orgasm. One part of the book at the beginning says that there's too much taboo about who your partner is and "god forbid it be someone much older than you". "For some people it won’t be feasible to see and touch all parts of their bodies. If you require twenty-four-hour assistance you may never have someone willing to hold a mirror to see what your clitoris looks like. You may not feel comfortable even asking for that help." "What supports will you need to have in place in case you need to deal with things that come up during your experience? You may have overwhelming feelings that you don’t know how to cope with. Do you have someone you can talk with about these strong feelings or memories? If you don’t have a friend, family member, or caregiver with whom you can hash things out, or some other way that you work through difficult things in your life..."