User talk:Anaxis/The Lainchu Manifesto

Minor edit

I just fixed a minor embed error. Couldn't find an archive of the video though, as Dillon Thomas purged his YouTube account and nobody cared enough about him to archive all his videos. Lordisofjhoalt (talk) 19:35, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

Thanks, appreciate the fix. I had written that section long before Dillin deleted his videos and even longer before the video embed function changed on the site. I left it in anyway because it was so prominent in Sean's story, even if the video itself was lost. Anaxis (talk) 02:36, 25 May 2023 (EDT)

MKR's Bloody Chunks and Delightful Children

The phrase "bloody chunks" that was included in the latest part jogged my memory, so I figured I'd try and track it and the other reference down to help give you some clarity on some of the accusations levied against you. Don't know if you care that much at this point, but I was curious.

"MKRs Bloody Chunks" is the username of a Kiwi Farms account that leaked a whole hoard of messages from The Place and The Arbitarch CWC Alliance that painted MKR in a particularly bad light. The contents of the post were only partially archived on this wiki.

"Delightful Children" was a bit more of an obscure reference. From what I can gather, a group of trolls taking their name from The Delightful Children From Down The Lane from the early-2000s show Codename Kids Next Door were involved in harassing Dillin Thomas. This apparently led to him purging all CWC-related content from his Discord, which, judging by the edit above, seems to have been a trend. This one Kiwi Farms post is the only source available about them, and it requires the Tor Browser to view.

While some of the reactions to the Manifesto here and on the Discord have been negative, just know that there are people who appreciate the information releases and commentary. Panasonichu (talk) 22:35, 16 June 2023 (EDT)

Huh, thanks for the information. Glad to know that my instincts were about on the money when it came to understanding exactly what MKR was accusing me of.

I appreciate the kind words. I know the Manifesto and my style of writing isn't for everyone, but I'll be happy as long as people keep reading it and getting something out of it.

By the way, I believe you can preserve KF TOR links on archive.today: https://archive.fo/Ez6eE Anaxis (talk) 03:00, 17 June 2023 (EDT)

Cool story, dude.

I get that you're telling your story and shit, and that's kinda cool, but I think it's absurd that you expect people to read this. I mean, I did, but I don't think any individual with respect for their free time would. So I have an idea, how about you make a new page (lainchu manifesto revised or something like that), but with all the actually insightful info on Chris cause, I don't wanna be too rude but most of this is either publicly known info/not important in the slightest. Cereally (talk) 03:41, 29 July 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the feedback! I understand that my writing style and the content within the Lainchu Manifesto isn't for everyone. The reason why it's long and exhaustive with the details is because, as I will be discussing further in a later part, amateur sleuths on Kiwi Farms and other online spaces that discuss Chris have previously taken advantage of a lack of context to spin their own narrative and create conspiracy theories about the figures that surrounded Chris at the time, such as Bella and Sean. This is something that I want to avoid by being as detailed as possible, even when it comes to the parts of the story that have less to do with Chris. And frankly, even if people don't read the essay all the way through, I still wish to include copious detail for the benefit of the CWCki editors, who work diligently to fill in holes in parts of Chris's story wherever they may come up.

I can understand your frustration, however, and I am intrigued by the idea of making an abridged version of the Manifesto. Perhaps that will be something that I explore after I'm finished publishing the entire essay. For now, though, I appreciate you reading, even if your feelings overall are mixed or negative. Anaxis (talk) 21:46, 1 August 2023 (EDT)

I will say, the more I read this I have actually started coming around to it. I still think it's really melodramatic for what kinda is just a bunch of discord users arguing online, but that's actually what makes this pretty unique, so keep on writing like that if you want. To be frank I think I judged you too harshly on that first message, because most people on the CWCki discord very heavily disliked the manifesto and I kinda joined them. But as someone who has wayyy too much free time, I actually do enjoy reading this stuff, plus since I've started editing the CWCki more as late I've actually started realising just how much fucking time this would take, so I honestly kinda respect the dedication. I still think a revised version is something you should consider, as a lot of people simply do not have the time and do not see the need to read this entire thing, which I feel is probably fair. I'm excited to see how you cover the incest scandal, and if you have any more information on it.

I actually have a question for you that I think hasnt been touched on too much in the manifesto yet. Why did you get involved in the first place? What was your main goal when interacting with Chris, it doesn't seem like you wanted to protect him from weens, or thought of him as a friend, so what kept you interacting with him for almost an year of your life? Cereally (talk) 22:05, 2 August 2023 (EDT)

Glad to hear that you're coming around on the Manifesto! And yes, this probably did take way too much of my time to put together, but oh well.

To answer your question, involvement kind of fell into my lap soon after I joined the CWCki Server, which I detailed a bit in the first section, The Beginning. At that point, I had recently gotten my CWCki editor account and wanted to help in any way I could. When Klop told me that he no longer wanted to be Lainchu, I saw it as an opportunity to observe Chris up close (so to speak) and document the things he had been writing, which I believed would help out the CWCki. At the same time, however, I didn't want to get lost in the sauce of trying to play along with his delusions, so I generally tried to keep contact minimal and any roleplaying extremely light. My main goal was and always has been to get information that the CWCki could use, so that this community can continue learning about Chris. That's not to say that I had no interest in keeping him safe from weens - if Chris is in danger or being manipulated, that obviously puts my ability to gather information at risk - but it wasn't the main thing I was dedicated to, like the rest of the Watchmen, who would overzealously attempt to dox any rando that would say "hi" to Chris.

It seems like a lot when framed around "spending a year of my life" doing this, but that makes it sound like more of my time was spent on Chris than it actually was. Truth be told, I really didn't speak to him that often, which you can see if you read our DMs. Most of the effort I exerted was on gathering questions to ask Chris or taking screenshots of his writing, not actually interacting with him. Usually I would just send a handful of reminder messages once every few weeks when his work ethic got really bad, but this required very little on my part. It might not seem like it based off of my writing, but I actually did have a life outside of these Discord escapades. I just happened to have an abundance of free time due to COVID.

Hope that answers your question. Look out for the next part, coming soon! Anaxis (talk) 02:19, 4 August 2023 (EDT)

I Hope You Continue Writing

I just really needed to tell you – you have a talent for writing. Seriously. I don't give these kinds of compliments lightly, and I seldom go out of my way like this to give them. Your pacing is excellent. You seem to have an intuitive grasp on how to tell the audience enough that they have all the information they need without overexplaining or coming off as patronizing. It's 6AM and I'm leaving to go to work soon so I'm sure I'm forgetting some of the things I was impressed by when reading the Lainchu Manifesto last night... regardless, you have a genuine, admirable gift for writing. I really hope that you pursue it, whether as a hobby or professionally or whatever – please don't waste it. It is rare to see someone demonstrate such an intrinsic ability with the craft, and regardless of what you do with it going forward, I do want you to know that reading the Lainchu Manifesto has been awesome. With each new release I found myself waiting on tenterhooks for the next part, and it's bittersweet to me that it's finally finished.

Wow...thank you so, so much! It's really heartwarming hearing that someone enjoyed my writing and was anticipating each new release! The Lainchu Manifesto was a huge experiment for me, and something of an intimidating undertaking, but I kept telling myself that if even one person read it and got something out of it, then it'd be worth it for me. And I still stand by that belief, so I'm incredibly happy that you feel this way.

I admit that I'm not always the most confident writer, but I'm content in knowing that I've given this project my all. Praise was the last thing I was expecting, and most of the loudest voices in the CWCki and Kiwi Farms community have been very critical of my work, but skewing towards negativity seems to be par for the course for these communities, so I've tried not to let it bug me. I'm really glad that you saw something in my writing, and I definitely intend to keep working at it and improving in every way I can. Anaxis (talk) 16:42, 12 October 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for This

Anaxis, I don't know if you intend to continue working on this, or if you'll even read this comment from me, but I really appreciate that you did this to clear up most, if not all, of the misunderstandings surrounding the whole incest drama. This whole manifesto, which has some bits of regret for your part in it all peppered in, has also inspired me to do something that I feel should have been done a long time ago, an apology from me for my own part in this whole mess, which I also feel culpable for:

From the bottom of my heart, I feel that I have failed this entire community to such a great extent for all of the chaos and confusion that I've put it through with my involvement in this cult, engaging in its whole "defeat the bad guys" witch hunt mindset, the propagating of so many of its claims on this very wiki, creating an entire policy with no one's input and with no prior knowledge of the person it was directed towards (which was then used by certain Christubers, causing more drama), and worst of all, putting many people, including the entire mod staff (both on the wiki and the Discord; but most especially Hurtful) at risk. I also feel that all I did during that time had put a very bad precedent for how writing on this wiki and documenting on Chris should be done, and I do not wish for anyone to follow my example from that period.

It is for this that I most appreciate your work on this, undoing any and all wrongs that were done to this wiki, and the confusion it has caused, allowing it to start anew, in spite of all of that. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 19:40, 24 February 2025 (EST)

Hello Psycho, thanks for reading and leaving feedback. I'm glad to hear that you found something of value through reading my work, that's the kind of reaction I hope to get from my readers. I don't currently intend to add more to the Manifesto, seeing as my involvement with Chris ended in 2021, but maybe I will touch it up now and again, fix grammar or spelling mistakes, repair redlinks, etc. I was also given a suggestion a while back to make a truncated version of the Manifesto that's lighter on details and easier to digest, and while that's not something I'm currently working on, it might still be an idea worth pursuing if there's demand for it.

I am truly happy to hear that reading the Manifesto has helped clarify your viewpoint on Spooky and their ILJ cult, as well as the part that you played in it and how that affected both the dissemination of information and the treatment of certain members of the community. Knowing full well that Spooky's former cult members would never admit that they were wrong, it heartens me to see that I was able to convince someone that their claims are not to be taken seriously in any manner. While admitting fault is the first step towards healing, it must not stop there. I hope that from now on, you will be more open towards listening to other members of the community who may hold differing opinions on how the CWCki should be run, and avoid falling on easy answers provided by those who have an agenda. It took a very long time for the damage on the CWCki to be mended, and even so, public opinions outside of this website today are still slanted towards the lies propagated by the ILJ cult. You know the saying about how a lie gets halfway around the world before the truth has the chance to put its pants on? That has never been more true than here. It took a few weeks for Spooky to spread their narrative about what went down around the incest incident, and it took me two years to write up and publish a comprehensive essay about what actually happened. And even then, I can guarantee that more people have read the former over the latter. Understand that I'm not laying all the blame at your feet; I'm simply expressing a hope that you will spend as much time and energy as you are able to spare towards debunking misinformation and setting the record straight, whether that be on the CWCki, Discord, Reddit, Kiwi Farms, or wherever else people traffick in convenient lies. Given the edits that I've seen from you since returning to the CWCki, I think I can safely say that you are taking steps in the right direction.

Lastly, while I can accept your apology for the ways you had contributed towards the spreading of misinformation, I cannot say that I'm able to do the same on behalf of the people who were personally affected by your actions, such as the former Discord modstaff. But I especially can't, and won't, accept it on behalf of Hurtful Truth Level. I don't know the full extent of your relationship with him, but I do know that he trusted you at a critical time, and you betrayed that trust, leaking private conversations to someone who intended harm to befall him. If it were in my hands, I don't think I would ever speak with or trust you again, at least not without a long period of repentance on your part. But Hurtful isn't like that, he's willing to move past old bygones for the sake of civility. While that's an admirable trait, I still think you have an obligation to not only apologize to him, but prove that you're worth trusting again. I sincerely hope that you will do so, as well as apologize to the former modstaff if they're still around. I don't need receipts, and it doesn't need to be public, but if you believe that you've changed for the better, then this would be a good step towards improving things.

I look forward to working together on editing this wiki, and continuing to make it both an informative and entertaining place to visit and learn about our favorite lolcow. Anaxis (talk) 17:51, 16 March 2025 (EDT)

Anaxis, thanks for your reply. I also want to preface this by saying I'm happy you're willing to just take my word on what I'm about to say here, and that we still have a mutual trust and that you are still willing to work with me, despite anything I've done. That actually means a lot more to me than if you forgave me entirely.

With regards to the Discord modstaff, I went on the Discord server some time during or after the Spooky Bones fallout (I think it was some time in October or November of 2021), and I became a lot more active on there than when it was first established (I was barely in it at all before that). I was also able to make amends with the staff that were still there at the time (I especially became good friends with Capri, Skunt, and PGN). It took a while to even get to that point, let alone for me to get their trust back, especially after what I did...but in the end, I'd say it was well worth the effort to actually do what was right for once.

With regards to Hurtful, we've long since made up at this point, and he trusts me to keep things confidential when he requests it, but I understand your feelings, too. What I did there was a massive betrayal of his trust, and that of the rest of the CWCki too, and don't think that anything I do now is ever going to make that okay. He trusted me in such a critical moment, and I actively went against his request in favor of buying into this whole idea of a grand conspiracy. The fact he's willing to forgive someone for something like that, and treat it as water under the bridge, just shows that this wiki, whose topic is a subject of gossip and finger-pointing, is in good hands.

I've also seen some people excuse my actions, saying that I was just "used" by Spooky, or that it was all just "years ago". Hurtful himself even excused me by mentioning how "crazy" a time it was. But even to this day, I don't think I can ever forgive myself for what I did, and frankly I don't personally think that anyone is obligated to forgive me. Nonetheless, I'm very grateful that we can still be comrades, despite that. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 21:43, 16 March 2025 (EDT)

The A-Log Corner

Hi, A-logs! If you hated my story and want to angrily express your discontent at it or me, that's absolutely fine. I'd prefer you didn't, but I won't try and stop you or delete your message unless it violates the rules of the CWCki. I only ask that you write it down here so it's away from any legitimate talk topics. I will not engage with any of your messages, so have fun shouting at the wall! Anaxis (talk) 16:53, 12 October 2023 (EDT)

I dug up this 10 year old account just to say that this is a pile of unreadable drivel that essentially amounts to "discord retards, lol" and everyone involved should be slowly killed with a cheese grater for the good of humanity. This page doesn't provide any insight whatsoever, has little to do with Chris, and feels like a rambling blame-game to assuage the authors own guilty conscience for talking to MKR and not having the good sense to immediately call them a worthless cunt.

I'm convinced I'm the only one to read this, or someone else would've pointed this out already.