Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 8
Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 8 is the eighth and last of the available phone conversations between Chris and Alec Benson Leary, the creator of Asperchu. It took place on 18 February 2010.
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Alec calls Chris, at the latter's request, to discuss the inclusion of Sonichu Revolution in CWCikipedia's adspace. Chris admits he was at fault, to a limited degree, and the conversation shifts to Alec urging Chris to upload more pages and launch a series reboot.
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Chris: Hello?
Alec: Hey Chris, it's Alec.
Chris: Hi Alec.
Alec: So uh, [Chris attempts to talk over Alec, but Alec wins] I got your e-mail, uh, looks like you want to talk. What's, uh, what's up?
Chris: Okay, well, uh, just to let you know that I'm uh, that I'm in the middle of dinner right now so we'll have to make this short. But, ahh, yeah, I am a bit, uh, concerned that you have continued with the, ahh, oversized ads on the CWCipedia... I mean those- the smaller banner ads- that was that was okay. I would have accepted that- I would have accepted that on a daily basis. But, no, you had to add- you had to go and... [Alec begins to talk over Chris]
Alec: Chris-
Chris: add-
Alec: Chris-
Chris: a whole-
Alec: Chris-!
Chris: to the big-
Alec: Chris-!
Chris: to the big -
Alec: CHRIS!
Chris: page-
Alec: CHRIS!
Chris: Yeah?
Alec: You asked me to call you... *right* at 9:30 and when I do, you're eating dinner?
[Alec sounds understandably annoyed.]
Chris: Well, I wasn't sure, because I'm...
Alec: What are you eating?
Chris: I'm having some chicken.
Alec: I- uhgh. Chris, if you're going to ask someone to go out of their way for you for something you should probably... actually allow them to do so and not act like you are inconvenienced when they do. That's just a suggestion. But I-
Chris: Okay, well, I'm sorry.
Alec: But I- well... I-I-I think <Chris attempts to talk over Alec for this whole sentence> maybe, if you actually want to have a serious discussion- that's why I called... but... maybe let the chicken wait until we're done with our call, how about that? Cuz' I don't like calling you only to hear that you have something else to do even though this is the exact time you told me to call.
Chris: Mm. Yeah. Yeah. I understand. I'm sorry.
Alec: So. So. So, why don't we have our talk, and maybe the chicken will get cold, but you can microwave it when we're done.
Chris: Yeah. So we had the understanding that we were not going to go back to the oversize ads again.
Alec: Oh. Okay, well, I can explain that. Do you remember how I told you that if you met my requirements exactly, I would remove the ads, but if you failed to meet my requirements, the ads would get worse? Do you remember when I said that to you?
Chris: [pause] Yes...I...that...
Alec: So you failed to meet my requirements. You did meet Evan's requirements, apparently. Evan is happy with you, and I'm proud of you for doing that, because Evan is, he's satisfied that you killed Simonla. However, I am not Evan, and I had different requirements than Evan.
Chris: Okay, okay, well, why are you not satisfied?
Alec: Mm. Well, there's a few reasons. First and foremost, you did not state all of the things that I told you to in your apology video. Like how Sonichu cannot make money in its current form and is a doomed franchise and you will need to start over with something original. You made no mention of that. Already. Next, your last apology video was... Well, "insincere" is kind of too lenient, if I called it that. It was just, it was just insulting. I mean, you obviously felt absolutely no remorse whatsoever. Even though you swore up and down to me when I talked to you that you did. But I'm pretty sure you just wanted to finish the phone call, and you thought that you could just read things off a list and that would please me. Oh, and then you hung up on me, I think like five or six times.
Chris: And I did, the last one I did apologize for that in the e-mail I sent you.
Alec: Um, but you hung up on me multiple times. Chris, I think that you believe, I think you believe that if you do something wrong and then you offer a superficial apology, you believe that gives you license to just do it all over again. You know, that's not what apology is about, right?
Chris: That is not what apologies are about.
Alec: Okay. And the reason you hung up on me is because you were trying to avoid me. You were trying to just brush me off.
Chris: Okay, well, I will admit that, the last one, and I apologize for that.
Alec: Okay. So, if you want that apology to mean anything, then in the future, including this call, and if we talk again, you are actually going to have to stick to that word and not ever again attempt to brush me off.
Chris: Okay.
Alec: That make sense? Now. Let's talk about those ads for a bit. If you notice, they really aren't ads for Asperpedia anymore. What I started, I started a new comic, called Sonichu Revolution. And that's actually what I'm using the adspace for. And what Sonichu Revolution is, it's actually, it's like a reboot of Sonichu, see, since you aren't uploading pages I thought I would do a nice thing for your fans and use my ad space to keep your fans happy.
Chris: [has been trying to interrupt] Well, no, I am, I am doing the pages now. Listen, your comic pages, they should, they should stay on your website, your website alone. I do not want your pages on my website that only shows my pages.
Alec: Oh, it's kinda too bad that I bought ad space on your website, when I gave you multiple opportunities to get out of me having web space, er, ad space on your website. You didn't take them. I can do what I want with my ad space.
Chris: Hmm.
Alec: How many times did I, was I gracious enough to give you an extremely easy way out of all of this?
Chris: Hmm. Well, not sure. Define, define "easy."
Alec: Okay. Um, by "easy" I mean, how many times did I lay out a very clear, very specific set of requirements that I had of you, and where I promised that if you followed those requirements, exactly, then I would remove all my ads and I would do my best to stop Evan from, you know, attempting to sue you. Evan's, you know, in the past, he's happy now, but my ads are still an issue. And you know, I asked you to be sincere about the apology, which you never were.
Chris: Yes. Okay, well, just to let you know, okay, well, I understand for, yes, uh, you did offer me with, you did tell me very descriptively, very detailed-ly, what you wanted, a number of times. I'm gonna est-, I'm gonna give, I'm gonna estimate like about five to 10 times at this point. Because we have not talked over the phone that much. For maybe 20, or 20 minutes, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna say, I'm gonna go with that.
Alec: Yeah, we've talked... Well, it's not quite that high. I think three or four times I specifically laid everything out for you.
Chris: Okay, well, it's, well, okay, at this point, yeah. An overbid is a good estimate.
Alec: Hm. Alright, I'll give you that one. So yeah, multiple times I gave you opportunities to, you know, to handle the situation and to come out scot-free. And, if I remember correctly, I did talk about how you are the luckiest person in the world, to have competition like me, who would be so generous and go out of his way to help his competition. I mean, a lot of other companies would have just blown you out of the water and not thought twice about it. But, you know, I like Sonichu, or I used to like it, back when you actually updated it, and I know that it does have some fans still and I wanted to see it continue. Because I don't want to just take over everything. I don't want to be the only artist out there.
Chris: Yeah.
Alec: That's not fun. You kind of want to be the only artist in existence, I don't know why you want that. Why do you want that, anyway? Why do you not want other artists to exist?
Chris: Um, I never said, I never said that I did not want other artists to...
Alec: Well, you said it with your actions, if not with words directly.
Chris: Okay, okay, well, maybe...
Alec: I think we talked about that one time. Actions are louder than words, you know?
Chris: Yeah, okay, well, perhaps my actions were misunderstood in this case...
Alec: Oooh, not misunderstood in the least! Oh, no, your actions are very clear. You slandered and smeared me as much as you possibly could. You put all of your effort into trashing me rather than building up your own comic. There's... If you can convince me there's some way to misunderstand that, then you know, by all means try, but as far as I could see that was a pretty clear message. It's hard to misunderstand that, it's hard to misunderstand, you know, you repeatedly hanging up on me.
[In the background, Barbara shouts, "Who are you on the phone with?" She continues to make background noise occasionally.]
Chris: I know, I...
Alec: You've been out of commission for like three weeks, you haven't done shit for your fans. When are you going to come back with your comic?
Chris: I, I am, I, I still, I am, I have been working on my comic, for your information. I am up to pages in book number 11 where I have drawn that far, and I'm about halfway colored through all those pages which I drew up.
Alec: How many pages is that?
Chris: That's over 30 now.
Alec: Over 30. Really. How many days since you started that particular 30 pages. Has it been, like, what, two weeks? 15 days, around there?
Chris: Around there.
Alec: Okay, uh... I'm not really sure if asking this is going to be useful, but why would you partially complete 30 pages instead of, say, completing and uploading 20 pages? Or 25?
Chris: That would hap-, that would happen to make up for lost time on on my birthday, which is this coming, which is the next Wednesday.
Alec: I'm sorry, what about your birthday? What are you going to do with it?
Chris: I'm going to upload all those, all those, all those pages, all the main pages in a bundle, in a bunch, on my birthday, which is next Wednesday.
Alec: Okay, well, until then I think I'll just keep uploading Sonichu Revolution, because I want to please your fans, even if you don't. Chris, why, why would you...
Chris: I gave my new, I put up a new page yesterday as well. The last page I had...
Alec: So that... That, yep, I saw that, actually, that one page, plus I think you had two pages where you killed Simonla, so that's three pages total in like three weeks.
Chris: Yeah, well, anyways...
Alec: I do two pages a day. That means I've uploaded, in the past 15 days I've uploaded 30 pages of my own. And it's... When's your birthday, like eight days from now? So I'll have another 16 pages up, so that's 46 pages...
Chris: Well, you are, you are mistaken, we're not talking about, we're not talking about eight days, my birthday is on the 24th. Of February.
Alec: Oh. My mistake. So six days. Well, I'll have 12 new pages by then. In addition to the 30 I've already uploaded.
Chris: Hm.
Alec: I'm sorry, I didn't know when your birthday was.
Chris: Well, it's specifically stated on the, on my bio page on the CWCipedia, and in a couple other places. The 24th of February. 1982.
Alec: Hey, Chris. Chris. When is my birthday?
Chris: I don't know, I do not study your bio, I did not study your bio page...
Alec: Well, Chris, Chris, it's on my bio page on the Asperpedia. Why wouldn't you know it?
Chris: Well, I did not make an effort to study you, because...
Alec: I mean, if I'm supposed to know your page, don't you know mine? Chris, I'm kinda hurt.
Chris: Okay, well, I apologize for that, and after we're done here I'll go to your bio page and learn, and learn with my mind when your birthday is.
Alec: Nah, you don't have to do that, don't worry about it. I'd rather you work on pages than go look up info about me. Because, you know, I actually don't know your birthday because I've been working on my pages rather than, you know, looking up your bio. Um, yeah, so, I do really have to recommend that you, um, begin uploading those 30 pages immediately. Like as soon as we're done with the call or whatever. It, just, get to work on it. Stay up all night if you have to. Get those pages up. Because, here's the thing about the way fans work. If you leave your fans in the dark for a week or two weeks or a month or however long, it really doesn't matter if you're partially completing something. Because if you don't put out any product, then your fans have nothing to work with. Have you ever heard of the game Duke Nukem Forever?
Chris: Uh, I'm sorry, you said Duke Nukem Forever?
Alec: Yeah. Well, you know the Duke Nukem video games? You ever played any of those?
Chris: Uh, I have seen, I have seen samples of that game.
Alec: Okay. Well, the company that made those, they were working on a game called Duke Nukem Forever. That was going to be their next great title. And they were working on that for actually about 15 years. And they kept promising, "Oh, you know, we've got the engine built, we've got the characters designed, we've got all this built, all that's left is for us to release it." And they never released it because they kept retooling and tinkering with it. And finally the company actually went out of business. So now there won't ever be any other Duke Nukems. And if you keep doing the same thing, Sonichu is going to go out of business. Well, not permanently, because I have Sonichu Revolution, so it'll live on in some form.
Chris: Well, yes, well, your, yes, well, still, your Rev-, your Revolutions are not the original, are not the original Sonichu pages, of which only I can draw up and tell.
Alec: But what they are is existent. And the fans appreciate that. Your pages are nonexistent.
Chris: [sigh]
Alec: And if you stop Sonichu, then, you know, the fans are going to want something.
Chris: Yeah. Okay, well, I get, well, don't worry, you will see, you will see, all those pages, and the completion of the 10th book.
Alec: Okay. Um, does this mean...
Chris: In fact, it's a...
Alec: I'm a little, I'm a little confused, how, what, do you remember when I told you... Well, of course you remember, I brought it up plenty of times, about how you really need to either do some sort of major reboot of Sonichu, or else just come up with a completely different comic? Because of all of the elements that you stole from other franchises? Are you still thinking about that? Because if you're going to finish book 10, then...
Chris: I have been thinking about that, actually.
Alec: What do you think about it?
Chris: Some of those, some of those changes will be talked about in the clip show that's gonna be in book 11.
Alec: Um... So, is book 11 gonna be like a transition from the current Sonichu to another one?
Chris: Yes, yes, yes, a transitions.
Alec: Oh. Oo-kay. Um, well, that's not really what a reboot is about. See, what you're doing, like a transition, suggests that the Sonichu that exists now is going to be, like, part of the same universe or world as whatever new Sonichu. What a reboot is, is a hard stop. You reset completely. You start over from scratch. Everything that came before is just, means nothing, it's null and void. Like, for example, the Spider-Man movies, they aren't in the same world as the comic, they were sort of a reboot. Because they told everything over from the beginning.
Chris: Hm. I see.
Alec: Yeah. I mean, I know it's... I can sympathize with you on this. I mean, you've been working on Sonichu for 10 years now, and the thought that you have to abandon it completely and start over with something new, I understand that that's kind of a scary thought. But it is true.
Chris: Hm.
Alec: Have you, have you, uh... What do you think of Sonichu Revolution, by the way? Have you been reading it? I'm only like seven pages in right now, so...
Chris: I have taken a look at it, and I did not like the way you were killing characters left and right! That's no good, it's just terrible! Don't go killing, don't go killing, don't go killing characters, that just does not, that just, that just does not, that just does not work. It's like...
Alec: Chris...
Chris: It's like doing Zombie X-Men, Marvel Zombies.
Alec: Yeah. I remember that. That was actually a pretty popular comic, wasn't it?
Chris: It's actually on the PlayStation Network digital comic download, only on the PSP right now.
Alec: Well, I've seen it in stores, though. Well, it was pretty popular, was my point.
Chris: Anyway, that's, anyway, that's the point. That's still, like, you know, killing, you're just like killing everybody left and right. It's not...
Alec: Chris, um, how many, how many comic books and TV shows and movies and, you know, whatever other media have you seen where characters die? Do you think they're all bad?
Chris: Yes, well, well, yeah, they are bad, because that's just totally fake. And plus, to do it in such a gory way is just terrifying. It's like any, it's like any of the Saw movies. It's especially like, especially like the first trap in Saw VI.
Alec: Did you like those movies?
Chris: That was horrifying.
Alec: Did you like those movies, Chris? The Saw movies?
Chris: Yeah, I liked them, I mean I enjoyed the falling, the telling...
Alec: [talking over Chris] You liked them? But there's death in it! How could you like a movie that has death in it, Chris?! Death is bad. You said death is bad.
Chris: Well, I'm not talking about...
Alec: Death is bad.
Chris: I'm not saying, I mean, yeah, I'm not talking about the death part, I did not say I liked the death parts, I liked the building of the character of John Kramer. In the movies.
Alec: But the point is, you still liked the movies overall, right? I mean, you went to see them, you'd probably see them again?
Chris: Yeah, I mean, yeah, they were hor-, yeah, I mean, I will admit they are horrifying, and they do frighten me, but think about, but think about, think about...
Alec: Hence the genre, horror, if it's horrifying it's doing its job, I guess.
Chris: Hm. Yeah, but I mean, still, that's Hollywood magic, you know, that's, you know, the people, the actors in those movies are still, are still alive and well, they just...
Alec: Oh, well, right, I forgot, because comic characters are real people and apparently I'm guilty of, of multiple homicide now? Chris, you, remember when you killed Simonla because we strong-armed you into it, because you refused to do it willingly? Are you guilty of homicide now? Because you killed Simonla?
Chris: No, actually, that would, actually, you could blame the Voltorb that was placed by the toilet, placed by the toilet that exploded. Because the Voltorb exploded, it blew up the...
Alec: Chris, you drew the Voltorb. You drew the Voltorb! Chris, you knew Simonla was going to die! You knew there was going to be a Voltorb there and you did nothing to stop it! You are an accessory to murder! Who cares if someone else placed it? You knew, of course you knew she was going to die because I've been telling you for weeks to kill her.
Chris: You're, you're, well, read, yeah, well, read the pages after I put 'em, after I put 'em all up and you will see that there is, that there was, that it wasn't preventable. That there was a way that, it could not have been prevented. You will find out.
Alec: Okay, um... Did you see my page where Son-Chu killed himself? Did you see how depressed he was? I couldn't have prevented that. Sometimes people are so depressed that you just can't reach them. And it's tragic but, you know, sometimes people commit suicide because they believe there's just no way out for them.
Chris: I have a question for you.
Alec: Oh?
Chris: You said you like Sonichu.
Alec: Yeah.
Chris: Why did you make him, why did you draw him killing himself?
Alec: Soni-
Chris: If you liked him you would not have done that!
Alec: I didn't draw Sonichu killing himself. I said Son-Chu, your car, your... I don't want to say "Autobot" 'cause that's trademarked, but...
Chris: Okay, well, it's, excuse me, well, I misunderstood. Well, yeah, that was, that was wrong. I mean, that was like you're killing my vehicle, it's like you're making me have to pay, like...
Alec: [cutting off Chris's demented babble] No, Chris, I didn't kill your, I didn't kill him. He committed suicide. He was depressed because he had a name that he hated, and all the other Autobots made fun of him.
Chris: Yeah, the Autobot, the Autobots do not make fun of each other for their names.
Alec: No, they make fun of Son-Chu. Chris! Look at what he says in that page! He says that he hates his name because it's not a strong, manly Autobot name. Why would he lie?
Chris: Well, it's only because you're, you're putting...
Alec: He had nothing to lie about, he had nothing to lose. He was gonna kill himself.
Chris: Yeah, well, I did not, I'm not the one that drew, that drew my car, my Autobot, to say that. I did not. You did that, pretending to be me, in a sense.
Alec: I wasn't pretending to be you.
Chris: You were pretending to be...
Alec: Chris, look up at the page. Do you see on the comic page where it says "Copyright 2010 Alec Benson Leary"? I'm pretty sure that shows that I was not pretending to be you.
Chris: Yeah, well, still, you have no right, you have no right in killing a character that was originally mine, and that I have never said, have never said personally, had died. When a character dies, I will let every, I will let everybody know myself. Anybody else who, who makes up, who says outside of my jurisdiction, it's just a whole bunch of bogus baloney.
Alec: Well, maybe I can say it's a parody, and that'll make it okay, right? If Sonichu Revolution is a parody? Would that be okay?
Chris: Yeah.
Alec: It would?
Chris: I would accept that, yeah. And plus, don't make them so big. Maybe like three quarters of the current size, three quarters.
Alec: No. Nah. Then no one can read the text. I'm not gonna make it smaller, it's kinda hard to read the text already.
Chris: You should have those pages on your Asperpedia! People could just go over there and read them for themselves.
Alec: Um, but the whole point of Sonichu Revolution is to make up for your lack of updates. Why would I put it on my Asperpedia? That defeats the purpose. I, I'm...
Chris: But, but you're just...
Alec: I'm keeping the fans there for you, Chris!
Chris: Because you're drawing...
Alec: You could thank me once.
Chris: Because you're drawing those pages, not me.
Alec: Yeah, that's right, I'm drawing the pages. You're not drawing anything. Or you say you are, but we have no proof.
Chris: I am, I, you're wrong, I have been drawing the pages, and I have been coloring them.
Alec: But you're not uploading them.
Chris: Because I have, because I'm too busy working on the, working on coloring after I have drawn them all up! And plus, I have real life things, like I have to go hang, like I have to hang out with my family. I have errands to run...
Alec: [cutting him off] Chris! Take a guess, right, I want you to guess...
Chris: And plus...
Alec: Between, Chris, no, Chris! I want you to guess, between one and 10, how many hours did I spend in school yesterday? Take a guess, right now.
Chris: How many hours you spent in school yesterday...
Alec: Yes.
Chris: The average of 10.
Alec: That's right. I spent 10 hours in school yesterday. I also uploaded a page of Sonichu Revolution yesterday.
Chris: [heavy sigh]
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