Talk:Praetor-Watchmen Conflicts
Saga Name
I understand the motive behind splitting up the Praetor sagas, but I don't think "Crystalgate" is the best term to describe this period. I know this is in reference to the proposed crystal tasing on the part of Praetor, but that event only happened at the very end of this period, as the climax of conflict between Praetor and the Watchmen (and there's also no proof Chris even did it). It didn't define the entire rest of the saga, so naming it solely after this one event I think is misleading. I don't know exactly what should replace it, but if I were to assign a general title, it'd be something akin to "The Watchmen-Praetor War." Obviously I don't want that to be the name of this saga, but I also don't think the name "Crystalgate" should represent it. Anaxis (talk) 02:16, 25 March 2025 (EDT)
- If we're going to rename this saga, it should be noted that the name "Crystalgate" is more in reference to how a major component of the saga was the spread of conspiracy theories (similar to how there were scandals in "Watergate" or "Pizzagate"). The name is a sort of pun on that and the most prominent conspiracy theory, which involved the "Gate Crystal". Psycho 🐧 (talk) 07:12, 25 March 2025 (EDT)
- I understand the etymology you were going for, but I still don't think the average person is going to recognize the reference at a glance. And I would also like to point out that the conspiracy theories mainly took off after the Taser Incident, so regardless, it still is centered around that event in a way that I think is misleading. Multiple events defined Praetor before that call between Caden and the Watchmen took place. Anaxis (talk) 05:17, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
- What's the scope of this article? I only see the taser drama described so far. I think the topic needs to be defined more clearly, for addressing the title. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 05:53, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
- It's supposed to be the Watchmen/Praetor conflicts, which is why Anaxis is suggesting renaming it, as the conspiracy theories was only at the very end, according to him, who experienced the Praetor stuff to some extent. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 08:15, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
- The more I think about this, the more I think it fits more with just the Watchmen saga. Of course we have Praetor activities like the Goochland Library Sermon, but that fits with the Praetor saga, which I guess is a meta saga now. Master (talk) 02:33, 2 April 2025 (EDT)
- The intent in creating this saga was also to split up the Watchmen Saga to some extent, since just lumping all of the stuff where the Watchmen were involved together would be kinda like making a whole saga about the Patriots, IMHO, since the Watchmen were sort of the same idea of that, but the inverse. Plus, it'd be much harder to follow the timeline, since the Watchmen were involved in MANY assets in Chris's life and online presence, unlike groups like the Idea Guys, the Teen Troon Squad, or even the Guard Dogs, who were only relevant for like two or three different things, not to mention the constant changes in leadership and in-fighitng amongst the Watchmen (The stuff with Lainchu alone even had to be made into its own saga for that reason).
- The more I think about this, the more I think it fits more with just the Watchmen saga. Of course we have Praetor activities like the Goochland Library Sermon, but that fits with the Praetor saga, which I guess is a meta saga now. Master (talk) 02:33, 2 April 2025 (EDT)
- It's supposed to be the Watchmen/Praetor conflicts, which is why Anaxis is suggesting renaming it, as the conspiracy theories was only at the very end, according to him, who experienced the Praetor stuff to some extent. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 08:15, 27 March 2025 (EDT)
- The only real reason the Watchmen Saga is still there is because there's currently no other place to put a lot of other significant events involving them, similar to how the "Revelations Saga" lumps together all the stuff following his return to the Internet. but that could change in the future too. Regardless, if we do actually go through with that, what about the name of this page, which is about those conflicts? Do we change that, or do we just put everything back in the Praetor page? Psycho 🐧 (talk) 07:37, 2 April 2025 (EDT)
- As for the stuff relating to Goochland, I didn't get around to adding it, but the video was one thing that led to suspicions from the Watchmen, but most especially Naught, who was one of the main proprietors of the rumors. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 10:40, 2 April 2025 (EDT)
- I do think this page serves a purpose. The page could be called Praetor-Watchmen Conflicts or something. I just think Watchmen saga is more like The Game Place or Clyde Cash sagas. Drawn out sagas with a lot happening. I do agree that Lainchu is a separate saga however, that is kind of like how the Julie Saga is separate from Clyde Cash saga.Master (talk) 02:59, 5 April 2025 (EDT)
- Sounds good. At the moment, I don't believe any other users are against this being its own saga, though, so I'm not going to merge that saga back into the Watchmen saga just yet. For now, I'll just rename the page to what you suggested. For the time being, "Crystalgate" will still be a placeholder name for the saga, too. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 11:25, 5 April 2025 (EDT)
- I do think this page serves a purpose. The page could be called Praetor-Watchmen Conflicts or something. I just think Watchmen saga is more like The Game Place or Clyde Cash sagas. Drawn out sagas with a lot happening. I do agree that Lainchu is a separate saga however, that is kind of like how the Julie Saga is separate from Clyde Cash saga.Master (talk) 02:59, 5 April 2025 (EDT)
- As for the stuff relating to Goochland, I didn't get around to adding it, but the video was one thing that led to suspicions from the Watchmen, but most especially Naught, who was one of the main proprietors of the rumors. Psycho 🐧 (talk) 10:40, 2 April 2025 (EDT)
- The only real reason the Watchmen Saga is still there is because there's currently no other place to put a lot of other significant events involving them, similar to how the "Revelations Saga" lumps together all the stuff following his return to the Internet. but that could change in the future too. Regardless, if we do actually go through with that, what about the name of this page, which is about those conflicts? Do we change that, or do we just put everything back in the Praetor page? Psycho 🐧 (talk) 07:37, 2 April 2025 (EDT)
Background
Is the purpose of the "Rising Suspicions" section to provide background for the actual conflict between Watchmen and Praetor, Taser Discussion? I wonder if it could be made more clear that the Watchmen either had a poor basis for their various suspicions or were being hypocritical. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 13:20, 10 April 2025 (EDT)