Talk:Chris and mental healthcare

I thought the CWCki needed an article like this even though I didn't have a whole lot to contribute. Feel free to expand on it. Pugs Malone 19:22, 1 July 2009 (CEST)

• Oh Lord, this is going to be fun to watch. Everyone and their sister have their own theory about why Chris is fucked up, and whether or not he's really autistic, so let's hope this doesn't get ugly. --Champthom 21:20, 1 July 2009 (CEST)
• I actually conceived this article as an examination of his experiences with psychologists and his current refusal to see one, but if it goes on another path, I'm not going to stop it. Pugs Malone 00:56, 2 July 2009 (CEST)

I added a piece about narcissism as I felt it was sorely missing on a wiki about a narcissistic manchild. Should it get its own article or is it fine the way it is or should it be deleted? Suggestions plz! --Hayate666 11:16, 3 July 2009 (CEST)

Added a few examples and a tidbit on his refusal to get treated. Some other issues that might bear fruit...

• How Chris's jealousy manifests as outright hatred. What symbolizes this best, in my opinion, is his Animal Crossing card for Wes Iseli, where he's drawn with little evil eyes, and the back describes how bad it is that he's Sarah's girlfriend and how much Chris doesn't like him.
• His problems with recognizing voices, faces, and everything else. Is that autism related, Asperger's related, or something else?
• His fear of effort. Likely not a literal fear, but Chris seems to despise putting any more effort into things than he absolutely has to. His art hasn't really improved, for instance, it just goes through different imitative styles. Not a mental illness, but a definite psychological problem.

Mind, practically ALL of Chris's problems are psychological in origin, so this page could get mighty bloated (and I might be forgetting about a few pages that cover some of these bits in greater detail). We might stick to covering genuine mental illnesses here as opposed to idiotic quirks, which would go on their own page (e.g. linking "jealousy" to Noviophobia--I think I'll do that right now, in fact). Also, HOLY SHIT practically everything on that narcissism website could apply to Chris. Except maybe the "intelligence" part. Ensign disposable 00:29, 4 July 2009 (CEST)

• It might be wise we stick to Chris's views on psychology and what he thinks is wrong with him, as opposed to what we think is wrong with him. Yes, I myself like e-diagnosing him but everyone has their own theory about why Chris is fucked up and all the possible explanations for why Chris is fucked up could fill volumes. The narcicism thing is very good, but now that I think about it, maybe not an appropriate place. --Champthom 01:05, 4 July 2009 (CEST)

• Thanks for the constructive criticism guys. I've been mulling over the narcissism for a while now and this seemed a fitting way of adding it. I have some personal and professional experience with mental illnesses (such as narcissism and autism) and it is one of the main reasons I find Chris so amusing. Champthom: I'll keep the essay on my user page for anyone interested or for future use. --Hayate666 01:38, 4 July 2009 (CEST)

• I'm really glad that essay got saved as a subpage on your account. It's great. :3 Llort 01:41, 4 July 2009 (CEST)
• Enlightening, even. Ensign disposable 01:44, 4 July 2009 (CEST)

This should go with the rest of Chris and... series--Pikimon 19:08, 23 July 2009 (CEST)

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This might sound a little stupid, but there's a point in here: My mom is currently working on getting a masters degree in therapy and becoming an accredited therapist (A step or two below a shrink, a few steps higher than Rocky). I'm thinking about showing her a video or two of CWC's and seeing her reaction, would you guys be interested in this?

tl;dr - I know somebody actually remotely qualified and I'd like her to e-diagnose Chris. - Needlepants 05:40, 27 August 2009 (CEST)

Destubification

Added some info about specific instances. I also don't think this really qualifies as a stub anymore, so it has been reclassified. --Fuckingstupid 12:52, 25 October 2009 (CET)

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Recently i've been thinking that maybe we could add a section of Sonichu(the comic) and Chris's psyche, both in what does the comic tells us about how his mind is working and how, unitentionally, his TRUE and HONEST sonichu's relate to how either he sees the world or how he perceives himself or wishes to (like for example, Sonichu represents who he wants to be, Rosechu how he sees woman or at least the perfect woman, Black sonichu at first represented his "dark side" etc.)J0haely 11:51, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

You mean like a psychoanalysis of what the comic represents? Thats possible. Would take a little time though SargentPickles 10:09, 5 May 2010 (EST)

Defense

The defensew mechanism section needs more BLUE :) - Yeah it does. I was just prattling away and only thought about a couple links. Now that I read back on it, it could be blue-er. --SandwichSonichu 12:17, 30 December 2011 (PST)

• Is this section even necessary? I'm only asking because it seems to be a lot of conjecture and not really all that relevant... and not at all proven. There are a TON of mental and emotional disorders that Chris can fit when you look at event by event, though not always when you look at it throughout his life. He has autism; that plus a severe lack of parenting, cooping skills, therapy, and education will lead to what Chris is today... I don't think what Freud would say about Chris is really all that different than from what "normal" people would say: Chris is messed up. --4Macie 14:49, 30 December 2011 (PST)

OCD

Each and every one of us e-psychiatrists has his own diagnosis for Chris and we can't all add our conjectures to the articles on the CWCki if we want it to retain its credibility. However, after reading this and this I'm seriously thinking that Chris's fears of being/becoming a homosexual are not due to repressed same-sex attraction but are a manifestation of OCD. A lot of his acts which are usually interpreted as evidence for repressed homosexuality sound like symptoms of homosexual anxiety OCD: fear of the "tormenting temptations of falling off the straight path", strong aversion to everything with even a smack of homosexuality (including the word "gay"), staring at a Sailor Moon poster to stay straight, random images of penises entering his head...

I'm usually against having the CWCki ascribe to Chris any psychiatric diagnosis which weren't suggested by Chris himself or a professional who examined him... but this whole Homosexual OCD thing fits Chris to a T. Do you think this article (or alternatively the article on homosexuality) should have a section on the possibility of Chris having OCD or is it too speculative? - NegaCWC 18:50, 31 December 2011 (PST)

• I would like to point out that OCD is considered to be as much on the Autism Spectrum as Asperger's. Do what you will with that piece of knowledge. I know this because I have a family member with OCD and this is what multiple doctors have told us. When we asked if that meant he could have Autism, we were told that No, having OCD did not mean you were autistic, BUT a lot of autistics have symptoms related to OCD. So my take on this question is that Chris probably doesn't have OCD, but because he is autistic, he has OCD-like characteristics.... though to be fair, I should mention that the doctors said that autistics with OCD-like characteristics are usually on the end of the spectrum that doctors call "lower" functioning and "more severe"... Chris was, as far as we know, considered to be on the higher end of the spectrum of autism. --4Macie 07:21, 1 January 2012 (PST)

Defense Mechanisms

I'm kinda of against editors on this wiki acting as e-psychiatrists and diagnosing Chris with additional disorders beyond the ones he's been professionally diagnosed with (although as the above section shows I dabbled with this practice as well). The psychiatric reports we've obtained already show that Chris is not right in the head, I don't see why we need to engage in baseless speculations. For this reason I'm in favor of completely removing from this article the sections called "Defense Mechanisms". What are everyone's thoughts on this matter? Are there any objections to this move? - NegaCWC (talk) 16:14, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Seeing that no one has came to defend the continuing inclusion of said section in the article, and seeing it has aroused opposition from other users in the past, I have decided to delete it. If any one disagrees with my decision they're free to discuss it here. - NegaCWC (talk) 13:38, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

IMO educated guesses have a place in a complete biography. But Freudian theory is obsolete and certainly doesn't have a place in an article about scientific psychology, any more than a reading of Chris's astrological chart would. Can we maybe move the section to a new article, called Psychoanalysis of Chris or something like that? Promethean (talk) 02:43, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll agree that educated guesses have a place on this wiki, but when it comes to Chris's psyche and mental health none of us can provide educated guesses, since no one here (at least as far as I know) is a psychiatrist/clinical psychologist. If anybody wants to provide his own analysis of Chris's mind, they are free to do so within their own user space. In fact, several users have already done so. I don't see a need for these kind of speculations in this article or in a separate one. - NegaCWC (talk) 12:01, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• For me, I don't think it's necessary for any armchair psychology stuff here. Alan Pardew (talk) 12:49, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

@NegaCWC: Fine, but we at least need links to them, so people can find them. It's not enough to try to be Wikipedia, because there are no journals of Christory for Google Scholar to index. Should links from articles to user pages go under "See also" or "External links"? Promethean (talk) 16:07, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

• I think both are okay. Alan Pardew (talk) 07:59, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
  • I'm not exactly sure to whom your post is directed, but if it was directed to Promethean than I also agree with the changes he made to this article. - NegaCWC (talk) 18:49, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Other psychology principles

Rather than focusing on the mental disorder aspects of psychology (i.e., e-psychologists), it may be interesting to look at Chris in terms of basic psychological principles. For example, moments in Chris's life that involve cognitive dissonance, fundamental attribution error, self-enhancement, or reconstructive memory could prove fruitful in terms of understanding him.

His inability to recognize himself in a mirror, other people, or to discern people from others (see Sarah and Britney Spear) could also indicate processes related to prosopagnosia. While I'm not suggesting that he has such a condition, it may be worth discussing his overall incompetence with facial recognition, a normal ability most people have. --Ungeziefer 14:20, 10 March 2015

Move to "Chris and mental healthcare"

First of all, a lot of this article deals with psychiatry instead of psychology. Medications are definitely psychiatry and not psychology – and while the two professions fall under mental health, and have influenced each other, they developed separately.

It should also be "healthcare" and not "health" because the article only briefly touches upon Chris's mental state, plus we already have articles describing Chris's autism symptoms, egotism, dysphoria, coping skills, delusions, etc. in detail. Either that, or more of that information should be incorporated in this article. Abnormal psychology is literally what draws people to Chris. AAE (talk) 06:22, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

Sounds good. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 13:29, 14 July 2020 (UTC)