Talk:Jail Letter - 19 September 2021

Title

How's the page title? Should it be changed to something else since technically it doesn't seem to be written to Null himself? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 21:56, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Chris sent the letter to Null's address so I think it counts as a letter to him. Good username (talk) 21:59, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

He did? From the first paragraph it sounds like he wrote it to someone else who then relayed it to Null and his attorney. And he refers to Null in the third person. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

I'm not 100% sure myself but I'm not sure of a way to confirm who it was sent to without contacting Null or sharing some info that shouldn't be shared. Good username (talk) 22:10, 24 September 2021 (UTC)

Maybe rename to "Chris's letter from jail" since it's uncertain. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 16:39, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

I'd be on board with that. Until we know who the actual recipient is, it's better not to assume. --4CentUser (talk) 16:55, 25 September 2021 (UTC)

Rape?

A paragraph on the legal issues for Chris writing the letter says "He has now provided hard physical evidence of himself confessing to repeatedly raping his demented mother." Where does he say in the letter that he raped or that Barb is demented? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:14, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Chris dances around the issue but does sort of implicate himself if you take into consideration the DMs which I believe were sent to Bella[1] (they don't seem to be on the CWCki by the way) where Chris insinuates the sex is healing Barb and restoring her memory with the claim that she was able to recall memories from when she is two years old. With this in mind, when Chris mentions that the "cuddling/soulbonding/talking" was "Consentful and Emotionally and Mentally Supportive and Healing" its easy to see what he's actually talking about (that is, having a sexual relationship with his mother). The rambling does obscure it a little but given what we know Chris is definitely implicating himself, but not confessing. --Finnegan (talk) 12:50, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, that looks like hyperbole to me too. I removed the same phrase from where it appeared on other pages. --4CentUser (talk) 15:24, 30 September 2021 (UTC)

Subsequent Letters

It appears to me that Chris is going to use letters instead of livestreams from now on. I think I'd find it necessary to maybe make an article for each one, and then added them to one of the templates. I feel this makes things less cluttered. PsychoNerd (talk) 14:51, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

That was what I was thinking too. I'm editing the FanChats template right now to make this work. --4CentUser (talk) 14:53, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Another jail letter?

Someone posted this to Reddit back in late August (the post was since deleted but someone archived it): http://web.archive.org/web/20210827043739/https://www.reddit.com/r/ChrisChanSonichu/comments/pcg9g8/first_real_update_since_the_arrest/

Some commentators thought it fake. Thoughts on if its legit? It seems to match Chris's writing. The donation plea and Chris wanting to buy socks and a bra are consistent with Jail Letter 2 where he mentions having those things. And his signature of Chris Chan Sonichu matches Jail Letter 1. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Rename to use dates

Proposing to rename the jail letters by date instead of numbering to prevent the issue of delays on letters being uploaded. For example Jail Letter 3 was written before Jail Letter 2 but was released after. So this one could be renamed to Jail Letter - September 19, 2021. Thoughts? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 22:41, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

I second this, however it might be an issue if no date is listed or Chris simply flubs the date as he has a tendency to do, if his Captain's Logs are anything to go by. Furthermore, it might be a good idea to make a parent page for jail/prison media to consolidate it and differentiate it from the other writing he's done.--Finnegan (talk) 04:58, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

If no date is listed we could fall back to the count method for those, like "Jail Letter - Undated 1". Parent page is a good idea. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 09:30, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

I disagree with this plan because it; A: breaks the way that most communications are logged like the Emails and Mumble chats and B: I feel like it’s easier to remember numbers than dates so they will be searched and cataloged easier numerically. Good username (talk) 11:20, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Some of Chris's videos use a date scheme, like CWC Update 7 July 2009. Emails and chats were generally leaked in batches that could be put in order, but the letters can have delays in being received by people, who in turn might wait to release. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 14:09, 14 October 2021 (UTC)