Talk:28 October 2011

Proposed article

This is my proposed solution to how we manage and collect information pertaining to the events of October 28th 2011.

To-do:

• Add categories
• Add more verifiable information
• Screencap the pages from the court website for preservation.

--Anonymax 14:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Do we have a field agent that can attend the court hearing? That should give us the entire story behind all of this --SargentPickles 13:15, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Shouldn't it be mentioned this is the first (major) event since Bob died? --IwegalBadnik 13:43, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

• Is it noteworthy enough to note that their arraignments (or the time that the defendants are told of their crimes and to take guilty or not guilty pleas) have come to pass and according to their records, they are listed as "continued" which in this case means that they probably pled "not guilty" and are now facing their day in court? The only other explanation of "continued" being listed that I found was this, "continued in court cases generally means that they (defendant) plead 'not guilty' or that a plea deal/plea bargain is in the works". I just thought it'd be a note worthy fact-- that they are either planning a deal, or that they think they are not guilty. --4Macie 10:46, 7 November 2011 (PST)

The article is already rife with speculation, and until we see court documents or other documents - we don't know the exact circumstances surrounding the charges, the pleas given (if any), medical considerations or other reasons for deferral. I'd rather we waited until we could prove the reason for deferral under the "continued" reason before we document it. --Anonymax 11:10, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Title

Shouldn't the title be Americanized? September 11th isn't referred to as 11/9.--Steve Landcleamer 16:06, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

We have a few articles with titles like this (e.g.), so while I don't know if it's "right" or not, much like "Chris's", it's just become a standard. Good eye, though. I didn't catch that it wasn't Americanised. Freecell (t/c) 16:11, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

I based it on articles like 6 June 2010. --Anonymax 17:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Chris with felonly charges? Ohhh, Santa came early this year, and goddamn, did he deliver~! Anywho; if it was Chris on his own, it might've been dismissed like last time, but with Barb involved too, this is more concrete and serious: I propose that the formal title of the page (or saga, if it comes to that) be the name of the court case (Snyder or People vs Chandler, whatever it may be) when we get it. --Xavier orona 00:45, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

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Thank you based God Theiselybros 16:44, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

Explanation

Am I reading this right? Chris got an Assault charge (assumption being it has to do with Snyder) but Barb got one too... but for a police officer, because her day in court was Oct 31, is there any information about what "assault" on the officer she actually did? Does anyone know what "complainant : CASON" means? And where can the stuff about him being in jail for two days be found? (or was this something Chris himself gave out?) --4Macie 20:08, 5 November 2011 (PDT)

• Edit: ah, the actual trial for the assault isn't until December, so we probably won't find out what she did until then... It was some civil case between her and Snyder that occurred Oct 31-Nov 1--4Macie 20:13, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
  • Oct. 31st was her formal arraignment, where I guess they informed her of the charges against her and set a court date for a criminal trial. Whether or not Mr. Snyder will file a civil suit remains to be seen, but somehow I doubt that her wants to have anything more to do with the Chandlers if he can help it. Giantgroundsloth 21:29, 5 November 2011 (PDT)
    • (Messed up original links, but)Snyder's pressing civil charges against both, as both of his civil cases can be seen on the Virginia General District Courts site. Also, assault can be something as simple as a verbal threat, don't know if that was the case here, but it's something to keep in mind. Mrmonster 00:36, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

Who paid bail?

Is there any way to find out who paid bail? Most likely it was one of his extended family, but still. --Melainia 01:33, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

• It could have also been a bondsman, which is pretty likely. That's their whole business. --Mrmonster 00:38, 6 November 2011 (PDT)

Civil Charges

Anyone have any addition info about the civil charges from Mike? http://i.imgur.com/Fz281.png It says they were in court on Nov 1st but the case is listed as "Other Judgement" and a lot of the other fields are empty. Did Mike drop the case? --KillDeer 18:12, 6 November 2011 (PST)

Chris's defense?

Not sure if the Autism card will completely save him this time, espectially for a felony. But could his years of being trolled actually give him a valid claim of "harassment". There certainly is an ocean of information posted online about him, much of which is blatant insults towards him. Any chance the CWCki could get in any sort of trouble for instigating these actions by Chris?

Also, may want to bring up that psych evaluation he had back in 2004 when he was kicked out of school. Could that prove any insight to his reasoning behind this incident; and could it maybe help/hurt his case?--Jcrowley1985 19:36, 6 November 2011 (PST)

• No. As far as I can tell, Chris using trolls and/or the CWCki as a reason for violating a restraining order is not going to cut it. I know he used it with the last little incident, but any judge with half a brain stem would realize that it's less about internet bullies and more about a 29-year-old man who should know better just not getting it.--Blazer 19:59, 6 November 2011 (PST)
• High Functioning Autism wouldn't play a huge role here, simply because it's not a truly debilitating disorder these days, and there is no way a judge would even consider the argument that "trolls" made him do it.... Chris having trolls doesn't change the fact that he did something wrong and illegal. It'll actually be pretty hilarious if he tries to use this site for proof against trolls simply for the fact that there are a lot of things Chris himself has 'donated' to the site that could get him in even more trouble... for example: does Mr.Snyder know that Chris has stated, on the internet, that Snyder is a child molester and has potentially fiddled with his own kids? Yeah, that won't go over too well. The way things are looking, if Chris is found guilty of any of these; he'll see jail/prison time for sure (if only because he will be unable to pay his huge fees and fines) Barb is probably in the same boat. Sadly, another thing to point out is that if they have to get repo-ed to pay for anything, the county will finally have to deal with their horrendous hoarding problem and will probably condemn the house, just as Bob had feared. --4Macie 20:38, 6 November 2011 (PST)
• It all depends on how his lawyer wants to play it. Is Robert Bell acting as a PD for his pro bono work? Either way, I'd bet that either his lawyer is so blase in regards to the situation and/or so overwrought by his other cases that he'll just advise Chris to plead guilty with mitigating circumstances (autism, grief, etc.), or, it's always possible that Robert Bell's a total shark who'll get Chris off with a slap on the wrist, yet again. Of course, there's always the possibility that he'll be committed.

I know Chris and Barb have four cars (one of which is a Jag according to one of the Kacey calls) so they could hock those for some CWC cash (see that thing I did?), and lord knows that Chris and Barb probably have at least, AT LEAST, $2000 worth of useless shit lying around their house, but, somehow, I'm in doubt that Barb'll be able to rouse Chris off of his ass for long enough to get him to help her (and himself). I've got to admit, I feel sort of sorry for Chris and Barb. Bob just died and lord knows that you never know what you have until it's gone. Their actions are inexcusable, yeah, but still, it's horrible that things have to end this way, if that's what ends up happening. I was, I guess naively, hoping that something would seep through Chris's skull and he'd just gracefully leave the internet and take some steps to improve himself, but it doesn't look like that's ever going to happen. He should thank God that's he's not going to be going to prison if he does have to be incarcerated. He'd get passed around like fucking candy there.

tl;dr Chris is fucked any-which-way Giantgroundsloth 21:18, 6 November 2011 (PST)

It's worse than that. If Chris is foolish enough to reference this site, he's going to be pointing the court toward evidence that he has no regrets on this incident, since the first thing he did after getting out of jail was to crow about his crimes here. Any decent prosecutor would then dig up his youtube videos, handily linked throughout the site, and reveal that he's got a history of antisocial behavior, the most recent threats and attempted extortion only just predating his father's passing (and thereby casting doubt on grounds for his recent grief).

His best chance is an insanity plea, which is difficult to prove on people who can communicate more clearly then Chris can. Ironically, the clearest indicators -- his beliefs that his creations are real -- may come off as so ludicrous that the plea might get dismissed.

Failing that, he'll be extremely lucky to get a plea bargain down to some serious community service and probation. Unfortunately for him, his history with Snyder in specific shows how extraordinarily lenient everyone's already been. Any decent prosecutor will insist on such as part of their arguments, and should Chris' previous proud attempts at vehicular assault enter play, he's almost certainly going to have jail time as part of a plea. Even disregarding that, though, I'd be surprised if Chris actually made any efforts should he get probation and community service, as his history shows he'd ignore both, forcing the issue of jail time.

Sadly enough, that's actually the extent of the good news for him. The bad news is that Chris' pride and arrogance may lead him to refuse any such pleas -- in his mind, he's neither insane nor has any of his behavior ever been anything less than justified -- and worse, he may even try to represent himself. Should that happen, his only real shot is to have Barb legally declare him as incompetent. While at first blush that sounds like it'd lead to him getting off on insanity after all, it'd rely primarily on Barb's testimony to go through -- and Barb's already supported him enough to be his accomplice.

The primary factors now on whether Chris is going to jail are his county's prison system, his prosecutor's diligence, and how much ridiculous bullshit Chris serves up in his own defense. If he acts out in court, continues his libelous antics outside of it, or submits anything damaging in his "defense," he screws himself to oblivion. Hell, if Snyder comes here, or if someone contacts him and points him our way, the prosecution would have a field day.

Quite frankly, this is so stacked against him I'm almost of a mind Barb did this intentionally to try to get the state to take custody of him before she dies, too, sad as it is to say.

Kestrel 00:25, 7 November 2011 (PST)

• None of this is really relevant to the article, so next person who contributes something that doesn't relate to this article gets banned. You can talk about it elsewhere like on our forums.--Champthom 06:27, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Article Title and Redirects

We need to get a more fitting title set up as well as some redirects. I'm not sure how, exactly... But something like "Arrest" for a redirect. My creative juices are currently burnt out so I leave this all up to you for tonight.

The subsection regarding the incident on the GAMe PLACe page called it "Strike Three, You're Out!" Something along those lines, perhaps?--Henry Bemis 22:16, 6 November 2011 (PST)

We are a Wiki at the end of the day - and it's less about getting a "fitting" or amusing title, and more about getting a sensible one. I chose this one based on other articles about specific events (mostly significant videos that were not given a particularly unique name by Chris). "Keep It Simple" is the golden rule here, so any renames should be both simple and yet, unique enough for people to be easily able to find it. I'm totally open to better suggestions for the article title though, as I said near the top of this discussion page. --Anonymax 03:17, 7 November 2011 (PST)

Where

Did someone know exactly where the trial will take place (ie some court on Chalottesville i presume) René Duprée 10:25, 7 November 2011

• Charlottesville Circuit Court most likely? The circuit court has jurisdiction over all felonies and that is where a jury trial would be held. Unfortunately on their case lookup page, that court isn't in the list. Penman28 09:55, 8 November 2011 (PST)