CWCki:Policy

For discussion of CWCki policy and rules.

Fan Works policy

right now there aren't really any rules regards what can and cannot go in the fan namespace. this is because i trusted users to judge for themselves whether or not their work belonged on the cwcki. so, let's get its purpose straight: fan works was meant to be PVCC's troll productions subforum, but public. it is not, however, a mirror site incase deviantart goes down. i feel that some individuals are forgetting that this is a wiki about CWC. now, it's quite tricky to say what can and cannot be hosted here. there are very few examples of things being uploaded that are completely unrelated to chris or sonichu. however, i will try my best to clarify what is appropriate.

Examples of good fanworks:

• A drawing of CWC saying DYKES DYKES CHINA being placed into the "CWC's Second Message" article
• An "artist's depiction" of something we have no pictures of but how it may have looked, i.e. Chris in the mall with his attraction sign, Chris using his "red string of fate", Chris's IRL confrontation with Mary Lee Walsh, Fapcup, etc
• Comics what are actually funny

Examples of bad fanworks:

• A Sonichu comic depicting how you think Sonichu should have been
• Shitty recolored Sonichu and Rosechu "original characters"
• Your shitty fursona with a Sonichu tail shoved up its ass

to summarise, i think the distinction lies in whether or not it is actually related to chris. there are lots of things related to sonichu, many of which include chris, but are actually disconnected from chris's antics themselves. i don't think these are appropriate for this wiki, and i see their numbers increasing(although i would like to refrain from naming names).

please discuss any changes or clarifications that you wish made, however i would like to implement these new rules by the end of the week. if a user feels their own uploads were, in light of these policy changes, in error then they can remove them now to save the jerkops the trouble of removing them later.

PEACE, AND HAVE A GOOD DAY --Cogsdev 21:59, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Just out of curiosity, could we see just what works are and are not on the chopping block? Just so we can see where we stand on this. Bill Lumburg 02:54, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• i guess it might be useful to have a template for that --Cogsdev 09:26, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

No. When the purge is complete you will know exactly where you stand. --Delabonte 03:07, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Um, does one need any kind of admin status to delete files? I'm trying to figure this out. --Xanabit 03:32, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Just who decides what's worthy?

I can get behind the fact that you want this wiki to be about Chris, with his Sonichu works simply being an extension of him. What bothers me is how all this hate coming from users complaining about fan works they simply don't care for. If fan works are removed all together from here, I'd be alright with that. But when someone said "all Sonichu-related works need to go, except the ones I like!" it seems more like favoritism rather than objective policy. --Xanabit 00:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Agreed, though I myself am hardly unbiased. --manwithoutabody 00:28, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's almost like this wiki is run by trolls who cae not for your feelings.--Delabonte 01:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Just because we troll Chris doesn't mean we can't deal with each other in a civilized manner. --manwithoutabody 02:42, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You don't troll shit, spud. DrShoggoth 02:44, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Can anything be done on this site without creating a shitstorm? This isn't some crusade against drawfags, and it shouldn't be painted as such by EITHER side. The site is about Chris, and the large amount of coverage on his creations is only because they made up such a large part of his life. The CWCki isn't about Sonichu, it's about Chris. Maybe some exceptions can be made, but for now fanworks not directly about Chris need to go. I myself enjoy many, especially Fear and Loathing in CWCville, but unless it is used to successfully troll Chris, it doesn't belong here. Thing is, we need a peaceful resolution to this. Shit with faggot users and /cwc/ is bad enough, we don't need this to blow up. Maybe exceptional fanworks can be allowed; if not, they can be hosted on DA, or perhaps a site devoted to Sonichu. The artists and fans need to remember that this isn't an attack against their work, it's just policy. Users who want to be active in the execution of this policy need to not be dicks about it, and be responsible about it. It's not "deleting shit one doesn't like," it's removing unnecessary images and articles. --Schuzrum Dias 02:58, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well, like I've said before, I will print out every page, bind it, and mail it to him when I'm finished. Which should be in two weeks or so. If my works are deleted before then, I'm not going to worry too much. In fact, it wouldn't bother me much at all if the entire fan section was removed and all fan art was deleted. I'm just a little put off from the vitriol a lot of the critics are spewing. --Xanabit 03:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You think he's going to read it, that's cute. --Delabonte 03:36, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Maybe, maybe not, what's the harm in trying? The most it'll cost me is a few bucks in postage. Well, that and the markers. Now I understand why he textwalls so much, those things dry out quick! :P --Xanabit 03:49, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

That makes sense. I could totally get on board starting a new site just to host these things. If we do so, though, we need clearly-defined criteria as to what gets to stay. Limiting ourselves to stuff Chris has seen would be fair, but it would need to be absolutely enforced. Which is to say, we couldn't have a page on Chris Gets Laid, excellent though it is, unless he himself responded to it in some way. -Manwithoutabody 03:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

You could do that. That's entirely acceptable, as it focuses on Chris and its activities. What you couldn't do is a story about a Sonichu recolor having some dumb adventure while Chris gets laid as a side-story. DrShoggoth 03:37, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Well by those rules, we'd have to delete the page on Sonichu Is Dead, because Chris barely appears in it. We need a single, objective policy for what gets to stay and what doesn't, regardless of quality. --Manwithoutabody 11:40, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree that there has to be some kind of objective criteria, not just what largely seems to be "Your fic/comic is bad, and you should feel bad, ur a furfag lawl." If you want to cut fics because the Fan section is getting out of hand, fine. Just come up with a standard that makes sense and enforce it. If the "How you think Sonichu should have been" rule is enforced, then the entire fan section will be pretty much gutted. If we go with the "About Chris not Sonichu", well pretty much every fic has Chris' Mary Sue Avatar Combined with his real self on there, so where's the line? Is it IRL Chris, or Comic Chris? Mellowyellowsalvation 16:41, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• That's why I think limiting ourselves to stuff to which Chris has responded makes the most sense. He either did, or he didn't, and there are no shades of grey. --Manwithoutabody 02:05, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

• As I've said elsewhere, I personally think the Fan Works index is more of a hassle than it's worth and we should get rid of it. Clyde has suggested a separate wiki and I think that might be the best solution. --Champthom 16:47, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I would agree that a second site for fan works would probably be the best course of action. However, I think we should consider keeping notable fanworks (that is, those that Chris has responded to) here on the CWCki. --ThatMan 17:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
    • This site is for things that have trolled Chris, so we should absolutely keep them. However, I notice that lots of things that don't fit those guidelines have survived the purge. Why? --Manwithoutabody 15:22, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Re:Examples of bad fanworks

Most of the fan works don't seem to fall in any of those categories. Is there something else that's a problem?--trombonista 00:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• No, a lot of the admins are just fickle, want things they specifically don't like deleted no matter if there was a good reason or not, and don't seem to realize that trolls don't necessarily have to be asses to anyone and everyone. NoVu 12:35, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
• Right. It's that, it has nothing to do with an overwhelming majority of it being some sick fucks fantasy and has virtually or literally nothing to do with Chris. They're just angry, angry DAMN DIRTY SLANDEROUS TROLLS. Sully 03:12, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

• To avoid altercations like this, I would delete the index entirely. Simply put, there are other, far more suitable venues to put this, so you won't ever have to lapse into offended rage, or conversely, argue with trolls sticking their 'n***** noses' in your business. --Jump 20:31, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

Dumb suggestion

Why couldn't we just grandfather stuff in? --GandWuser 12:59, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

my suggestion

wipe everything and start a new wiki because i'm cutting down everything that's eating up resources. Clydec 16:31, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

• people should pay attention to me more. also pay attention to me. Clydec 16:48, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

I like this idea. --Manwithoutabody 17:00, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

i've been considering moving to a new version of mediawiki, but might as well wait for 1.16 to reach stable. this should go on technical though i guess --Cogsdev 19:24, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Guys

The admins are at liberty to delete whatever the fuck they don't like. It just so happens they don't like torture porn involving Sonees and Roseys and comics intended to piss Chris off a la Asperchu. I know Asperchu gave you all hope for your fan comics and getting into the annals of troll history, but Asperchu happened because until then no one had attempted anything like it. The way to get into troll history is not to follow in the footsteps of more famous trolls, but to find areas of Chris's psyche no one has prodded before and poke the shit out of them until you get an angry YouTube video. If you really really REALLY still want your fics visible on the internet, make your own Sonichu site for fanworks or join a preexisting one, such as Cafe Rosechu (which is run by the girl who made Capering Berries). ... As for the underage guro, fucking stop. That's disgusting. --James Lamp-Eye 22:09, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

• What he said. --Inos 07:58, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks like you missed something

Both the [1] and talk page for my crap remains, as well as all the pages I uploaded. I'll take care of it... if someone can tell me how to delete pages. --Xanabit 22:37, 27 July 2010 (UTC)

Harassment and NPOV

Recent events have brought up these issues, so let's address them.

First, let's do our best to aim for some semblance of NPOV. Things considered by us to be good humored may not be taken that way by others. So yeah, try not to insult other sites, users, etc.

Harassment - yes, there are fuckwits on this wiki. There's fuckwits on any wiki. But don't point it out to them. People need to be able to edit without fear of harassment from others for their users. It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users. If they're stupid, just point it out and explain calmly why but telling them they're fuckwits is no way to do it. Srsly, I expect a bit more from you people. --Champthom 19:16, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

I concur with the statement about NPOV. When i edit articles that's usually what I'm going for. The CWCville article was ridiculous and full of shit that just wasn't the case, as are a great many articles. People making jokes and idle speculation at the expense of reality.

So kids, keep the memes out, and if a facet of Chris' mind or life is an unknown leave it that way instead of inserting your own idle speculation. We're here to document the real CWC (and related fictions about CWC created by the real CWC), not to create our own CWC. Dr. Herodotus P. Shoggoth :Doktor of the Forbidden Sciences, Medallion Guardian, Imperial Emu, Emeritus of the Ancient and Justified Order of the Turtle 00:15, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

So, essentially, kill them gently? --Jump 20:28, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

• I've been thinking that maybe the best solution at this point would be to prohibit any discussion of matters unrelated to Chris and the CWCki, even on your own user page. Thus, many of the members who had been harassed or whatever in the past would probably have never been targeted in the first place. Granted, I would prefer if we didn't have to limit the users right to say what they want, and it would certainly be a pain in the ass to enforce,but could potentially prevent most if not all of the harassment issues. --ThatMan 21:47, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

• This wouldn't be an entirely bad idea, given that I know Wikipedia has basic rules about user pages, namely it's used to discuss one's contributions to Wikipedia and nothing more. Good thinking.--Champthom 16:18, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• It might also help if suggesting that we resolve a bureaucratic issue without resulting to namecalling didn't result in vague threats. --Star Platinum 22:03, 14 July 2010 (UTC)
  • agreed. I'm not exactly the biggest contributor on here, but even I've seen Delabonte threatening others for asking him to be a bit less abrasive in his messages, asking why exactly they were in trouble for something, or even not sharing the same opinion as him. Why does this guy get away with it? Also, I don't care if he's "respected by Cogs" as has been said, that doesn't mean he should be allowed to abuse his position, spam angry templates on other people's accounts just because he doesn't like them, and generally treat everyone else like shit. NoVu 00:03, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• I agree on this policy. This kind of harassment brings down CWCki's appearance in a whole. It makes us look less like a reputable source on an autistic manchild and more like a restricted community of threatening rep destruction and overenforced rules. There is no need to attack innocents just for casual talk or for living certain lifestyles, it's just plain wrong in general. Delabonte is just a person who feels privileged and like he needs to point out things about people and act like he needs to be a Jr. Mod of sorts. To be frank, this is annoying and just rude. I'm a member of many places, but never once have I done anything like go out and go "OH NO THAT'S NOT FOLLOWING MY RULES TEMPLATE TEMPLATE TEMPLATE !" and not a lot of people here have before. It's inappropriate, immature and quite low IQed. So, in conclusion, and tl;dr: Agree with idea, down with empty threated non-mod steam-filled members. --Sen. John Eniggy, finishing opening statements for case on the Congressional floor 04:48, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• Not to be a jackass or anything, but try and keep in mind where you are. This is a website dedicated to trolling an autistic manchild. Many of the people here are involved with other trolling operations and such. Lots of trolls like to target furrys. By ousting yourself as a furry here you're essentially making yourself a black man at a Ku Klux Klan rally. Not saying that all of this harassment should have occurred, but it certainly wasn't unforeseeable to the victims. --ThatMan 05:36, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

• ThatMan has nailed why Delabonte and others feel warranted in acting like they do and this is pretty much the justification for some of Cog's and Clyde's actions here. Remember, this is a critical site of Chris, essentially out to troll him, and so you're not going to be attracting the same sort of people to edit as say, Wikipedia. I can talk to Delabonte about shit.--Champthom 16:09, 15 July 2010 (UTC)
• Actually, I'm not a furry (they scare me, to be quite honest- I'd sooner run through traffic and fling myself off a highway bridge than be one) but the point here, as shown by your post is, is about the exploits of Chris and the trolls who have trolled him, not a place for people to use trolling to vent their anger upon here. I don't support weeabooism, but I also don't support using CWCki as a stress ball. --Eniggy 05:47, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I agree. Also, Chris is a particularly bad furry, so bashing them is arguably part of our mission. We shouldn't get carried away, but I don't think anybody would object to the occasional snippy comment. --Manwithoutabody 21:43, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

User pages for banned users

Anyone opposed to not having user pages for banned users? Seems to be taking up space and seems sorta silly. I once said something along the lines of "To serve an example" or something but now I think it's just a waste of space. Anyone opposed to deleting user pages of permanently banned user? --Champthom 23:51, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

No objections here. --James Lamp-Eye 23:59, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

Depends on the user. I see no problem in deleting some of IBAGeneva's accounts, but we should keep a couple of examples (maybe between five and ten?).--trombonista forgot to sign

I would agree that we should just delete their pages so as to not waste space, but is there any way we could possibly mark that they were banned when their signature is shown on talk pages and stuff like that? I just feel like this would help prevent any potential confusion between users who are banned and users who don't have user pages. --ThatMan 01:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• A short page about wby they were banned sounds good. --Ronichu 02:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

That actually gives me a better idea, maybe their could be a page of banned users, with notes showing the reason for why they were banned. When a user is banned, their userpage could just be a redirect to this page.--ThatMan 05:20, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

fuck what I was about to say, the best balance between saving space and giving good examples of what not to do would probably be to do what ThatMan suggested. ThatMan, you have done a great service for the operation of the CWCki. I salute you, good sir. NoVu 05:22, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• Well that settles it. People, you have 24 hours to make a page (in the CWCki namespace) with a list of banned users and their rationale. In 24 hours, I will delete all the banned user userpages.--Champthom 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)--Champthom 05:38, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

• I'll do what I can. --Ronichu 11:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)
• My lord, it is done. --Ronichu 12:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Userboxes

I think the usage of them is getting a bit out of control.

As I see it:

1. unless you have a very convincing reason why a userbox should be on the main namespace, it really should be on a user's subpage.
2. we get rid of some of the categories of of userboxes - it's handy to know which CWCki users are also PVCC members, it's not quite as important to know which CWCki users practice martial arts.

Thoughts? Any justifications why we should keep userboxes as they are? Personally I'm tempted to say that we should make user boxes as part of one's user subpage or at least remove the categories for most of these.--Champthom 01:17, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I think they need to be culled. Specifically, the ones that don't have anything to do with Chris.--MoarLurk 02:37, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Either way is fine. They're not exactly a big part of the site. --Edward 15:18, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry about that. I'll keep my own userbox whoring under control. Just thought I was being clever at making more Chris jokes. (Keep in mind that I didn't add all those userboxes indicating race/gender/and religion, though I did modify the one for my own race.

But I think the "Armchair psychologist" could be kept for some practical use, like a barnstar award for those who have contributed much analysis of Chris's mindset. --SeventhBase 16:57, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

I just want to say here that armchair psychologists are not why we are here. We are here to document Chris, not theorise on his mindset. That stuff is okay in tiny doses but if you plan on doing it so often that you want a box for it, go to cwc.--Delabonte 03:58, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I think Nationality might be useful, if only to establish about what time said user would be active. But stuff like cats, or naive, etc. have no practical use. Bill Lumburg 20:54, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Why not just have time zone stamps then? Honestly I've thought that these userboxes were stupid for a while, glad to see I'm not alone in that. Honestly only a select few of them really seem necessary. Other than ones related to staff positions held by certain members and perhaps something useful such as what Bill Lumberg brought up, none of them really serve any meaningful purpose. --ThatMan 00:31, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

• Obviously not all of them have to be useful, as some of them are just fun and a way to encourage people to edit the CWCki. A time zone stamp would be good, though the nationality userboxes tend to be more flavorful (i.e. it's funnier to say something about the fact you're an American than you live in GMT -5). Some could in theory be useful - if you're a drawfag, then people can ask you to draw stuff for articles and whatnot.

Problem people are having is that people are getting carried away - do people really need to know you're a Zoroastiarian? Do people need to know you're a weaboo who's into manga moreso than anime? I think in general, we need to work on making pages, in the style of Wikipedia, serve as a way of describing one's contributions to the CWCki, not just a "about yourself" page.

There's nothing wrong with the userboxes, like I said, it's people getting carried away is what seems to be troubling.--Champthom 21:08, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

So where do we draw the line? I think that's the real problem; there's no set limit to what the userboxes should be for. Having "flavorful" userboxes tends to be a gray area that needs some definition. Bill Lumburg 16:18, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

• It should be pretty simple: keep the nationality boxes, Warrior, Observer, and the like, and the awards. We don't need to know if you're straight or gay or if you're Christian or atheist. We just need where you're from, and what you're doing here. --Schuzrum Dias 17:10, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Fuckwit Alert template

I propose we remove the Fuckwit Alert userbox or whatever it's called. --Ronichu 02:24, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

• I am happy to do the removing myself--Ronichu 02:29, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea, go for it Notslowpoke 03:22, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Ronichu, you can't remove shit here. --Delabonte 03:46, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

• Correct. Neither can you. I'd just like to politely point out that you are not a mod here. I think it's high time you were either directly promoted to be one so you have a badge to go with that attitude (at which point you can cast down proclamations from on-high with righteous fury) or learn to accept that you are not a mod here and act accordingly. I'm not fussed either way. The overwhelming consensus from users (and some people who are mods), irrespective of if they have that userbox or not, seems to be that it should go. So unless an actual CWCki mod steps in and says not to, in a few days I'll start removing the userboxes from user pages. If you re-add it, it's page vandalism and will be treated accordingly (reverted). I have little patience for wanna-be mods acting like their big brother is the sheriff so they can just do what they please. This isn't PVCC, it isn't ED, it isn't a place for you to do whoever the fuck you want and go around posturing, making vague threats and acting like you own the place. You don't. Cogs does. If she wants you to to have unlimited power, she has that ability to grant it to you; if she grants it to you, all well and good. Then it's official. Her website, her decision. But until then the CWCki is ONLY about documenting and discussing Chris (and occasionally peripheral other stuff). So either get on with with the task at hand, or get promoted and make your inane desires official policy, or go back to EDF/PVCC where you can be lord of all creation or whatever the fuck. PVCC and the CWCki have different mods and this is by design. TL;DR so either officially become a mod or shut up and behave yourself. --Ronichu 15:39, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

“	It's one thing to tell someone they're wrong or being just stupid, it's another to tell them they're now under watch by a group of people with various intents. I really can't ago against Cogs, as she has different ideas how to run the CWCki than I do, and she is the site owner, but please don't harass other users.	”
Champthom, on this very page.

Now obviously I'm not a admin or a Jerkop or PVCC or anything, but it seems to me that the fuckwit alert template causes way more problems than it solves.--Beat 04:13, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

• It's very tedious for me when furries who have barely been here for six months act like they own the place and presume what Cogs does or doesn't think. I think what bothers you here is the fact although we are presumably "equals" (lol) I did something you never could, and excercised power you don't have. As has been pointed out before, I am just fufilling the wishes of the PVCC. May I remind you Cogs okayed the template and it hasn't been an issue until you brought it up now? If Cogs says take it down (and she might), well, then the template should be taken down. Until there they remain as a reminder for certain furries (who want to be big elite trolls) to back off a certain user. Go back to doing piss poor imitations of women, Ronichu. The only person making a big deal of this are those who have fallen under my hawk-like gaze. My mind is closed on the matter. --Delabonte 16:41, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
  • I'd like to point a few things out. First off, you've made 952 edits to this wiki in your 15-odd months here. That's 1.8 edits per day. Ronichu has made 842 edits in 6.5-ish months, which is 4.2 edits per day. Ronichu is known for devoting hours to transcriptions. You are well known for plastering the wiki with "Not a Forum" templates. I wouldn't overstate your influence here. While you may have done something which is vaguely useful at some point in the past, Ronichu has done far more for this wiki than you have and even Champ is getting fed up with your antics. Ronichu made a good point and I suggest you get off your high horse and learn something. Freecell 17:02, 28 July 2010 (UTC)
    • And I just want someone to explain to me what the fuck I did wrong to get the template, and why i'm also the target of all these vauge threats. I didn't even touch that "certain user". Check the entire page history; I've done jack shit to interfere. What is my crime, and at what point did I try to be a "big elite troll"? --Edward 17:53, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

• You probably got it because you posted on the Coffee Place talk page. Pfargtl9000 Spam and Eggs 18:14, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

So? I'm sorry, but I refuse to believe that I got this template for those two sentences. --Edward 19:38, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Hey faggots

If we are all done arguing about templates and about who put one where and what not, there's a few long overdue transcriptions and shit that could be worked on. Quit being a bunch of drama queens, all of you. I don't give a shit how many edits you have, what you have produced or who fucking hates who. Take my fucking advice and work on community projects or your own projects and ditch that whole wall of text above. If any of you in the above section keep it up, I can guarantee that someone at the top is going to come along and yell at this shitload of faggotry. We need all of you here doing stuff.

Let me rephrase that slightly: we need all of you here doing something less dramatic and more helpful. --Fuckingstupid 20:25, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

I completely agree. --Ronichu 01:30, 29 July 2010 (UTC)