Talk:Monthly tugboat

To do

• Chris's references to his monthly tugboat (see Smithey e-mails and Miyamoto e-mails).

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Random Thought: Since Chris gets paid from welfare out of our pockets, are we not paying for him entertaining us? It seems like a fair exchange for me. If anything, Chris should be thanking us (and everyone else who is an USAfag and pays taxes) for keeping him and his creepy obsessions alive. Since I have to pay for him, I want to get every cent worth from this lolcow. --Wild Sonichu 04:33, 12 May 2009 (CEST)

Disambiguation

'Monthly Tugboat' shoud just contain the definition and the times he's used the word, we shoud create another page titled 'Chris and Money' --Robotnik 01:38, 20 May 2009 (CEST)

I liek both the above ideas. --Jump 17:22, 30 May 2009 (CEST)

$800,$750?

I've noticed that some pages say that his tugboat is $750 and others saying that it's $800. Does anyone have evidence to show which value it is?(Drlugae 19:25, 21 July 2009 (CEST))

• The thing is, Chris has said about three different values. I believe he's said "$800" so let's try and find a citation for that. --Champthom 19:48, 21 July 2009 (CEST)
• The tugboat rises in value each year so long as cost of living increases, so it's definitely over $800. $750 might be an old number from a few years back. Elephant 17:06, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

State or federal?

Is the welfare program chris leeches off of paid for by all taxpayers or just the ones in virginia? V3N0M1300 21:18, 28 September 2009 (CEST)

• It's social security. So it's federal. And it is somehow arranged through Bob's SSN. Details as to how this works exactly are fuzzy. But it isn't typical state welfare. --Fuckingstupid 22:01, 28 September 2009 (CEST)

• It needs to be reiterated that this is not a welfare check but a disability check. It is a form of government welfare, but it is not welfare in a "you don't need to work" sort of way but that he has managed to establish he has a disability (namely autism) that prevents him from maintaining or keeping work. --Champthom 06:29, 21 April 2010 (UTC)

On Advice of Bob?

Is there a source of where this came from? If it came from Chris I feel it may be a point to make that this may be Chris' point of view on the matter and may not reflect the truth. --El Presidente 12:14, 3 November 2009 (CET)

This is bullshit

NOT. A. FORUM. --Cogsdev 11:14, 4 September 2010 (PDT)

Sorry for asking here, but since the PVCC is private, where can we go to talk about the BS about Chris spending our money on his stuff at? -- Ashki

There may still be a /cwc/ board on 789chan. --Anaconda 02:22, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

Can someone explain this to me in Chris's terms?

"Even if this weren't enough, the most cursory research reveals that an SSDI recipient could have earned from $700 dollars a month in the year 2000, when Chris was 18, to $1000 dollars a month in 2010 without losing a cent of their SSDI income."

I'm not entirely sure how this works. Exactly, what did Bob do to screw Chris over? --AntonImaus 00:18, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

Whether Bob "screwed Chris over" is kind of a matter of perspective, but it works like this. If an SSDI beneficiary works a real job and makes enough money, they will receive reduced benefits according to how much actual income they earn. However, there's a threshold that has to be reached before that reduction starts happening, which is what that quote describes. Chris could get a job and earn as much as a grand a month before the government started docking his monthly SSDI check (and he'd have to earn a lot more than that before they stopped giving him any SSDI money at all). So the argument would be that Bob has misled Chris to his detriment by convincing him that if he works, he won't make as much money as he brings in just by waiting for his SSDI checks. The counter-argument would be that Bob still has two brain cells to rub together and knows that sending Chris into the workforce would just mean eventually having to deal with another court date. Dkaien 02:40, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

Alright, I should know how this works but it seems more clear now. Thanks. --AntonImaus 19:06, 15 August 2010 (PDT)

Chris gets around $9000/year from the gov't. Half of that goes towards "room & board" or something which like money the gov't would give to a mental institution or your caretakers. The rest is to pay for your living expenses including entertainment -- the gov't doesn't give a shit if you go see a movie or two on their dime. In theory they want you to be able to earn money on SSI, but if Chris did find and keep a job, even if it's washing dishes at Denny's, that could prove that his autism doesn't disable him hard enough to get free money. If he can work at a job then he's not disabled, and the tugboat goes away probably forever. Most of the money Chris has under his control gets spent on entertainment, because his parents still buy most or all of his food and gas. --Anaconda 02:31, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

Chris getting a job wouldn't end the tugboat; it's meant to supplement a low-paying job (as that's all Chris will ever be able to hold down) and provide a living wage. The disability payment is based on his autism, not on some judgment of how much he can or can't work. As noted above, his payments would only start to decrease once he started making over $12k a year. Kazmeyer 06:06, 23 September 2010 (PDT)

SSI is only paid if your mental illness is so bad that you can't keep a job. It's fairly easy to lose SSI. This is like when people get disability insurance payments for a back injury and are caught lifting heavy shit. $12k a year is $8/hr for 30/hrs a week, btw. --Anaconda 12:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

Specifically, you get SSDI if you can't do "substantial work," whatever that means. I'm not sure it means just the same thing as the $x/month. --Thepicklesuitintheman 18:48, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

There's a substantial difference between SSI (payments only to the disabled, end if you can work) and SSDI (payments to the disabled to supplement work income). Chris gets SSDI, he does not get SSI. (SSDI requires Social Security work credits, which is why Bob's work history was involved; SSI is paid out of the general revenues and would actually validate the Chris-on-welfare meme trolls like to get mad about.) Kazmeyer 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

I'm the one who wrote that. I know because I'm basically Chris. As SSDI was explained to me by a Social Security worker when I applied for it, you can make only up to a certain amount of money a month, after which you lose 100% of your benefits either immediately or after some sort of review process. This action is binary; there is no gradient similar to the $1 you lose for every $2 you make while getting SS retirement benefits. That amount changes yearly according to a certain, proscribed plan, I'm sure to adjust for inflation and shit. In 2010, the amount is $1000, i.e. person on SSDI—i.e. Chris—could contribute to society an amount of work a month worth $1000 without being penalized in the slightest, but Chris's dad, being an ignorant, self-important hick who holds some idiotic, arbitrary, long-dated sense of "honor" or God-knows what above any natural sense of decency, i.e. a Southerner, apparently convinced Chris not to bother. --Thepicklesuitintheman 18:43, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

I think, as has been speculated, Bob discouraged Chris from working in order to keep him out of trouble. Kazmeyer 19:58, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

That's obviously a possibility as Chris would IMMEDIATELY FUCK UP EVERYTHING if he got a job, but the article says that "[o]n the advice of his father, Chris doesn't get a job, supposedly because the tugboat gives him more money overall," which is just flat-out stupid advice. I read somewhere that people don't always say exactly what they believe, though. --Thepicklesuitintheman 21:25, 24 September 2010 (PDT)

Aye. I think "You can't get a job because you'll lose your disability" was just easier for Bob to use to convince him than "You can't get a job because you're a fuckup of cosmic proportions." Kazmeyer 04:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

Just to clarify

Since I edited the acronyms on this page -- when you're talking about the income that Chris receives from the gov't, that's Supplemental Security Income (SSI), the $800 or so he receives monthly. Social Security Disability Insurance (SSDI) is something different; in Chris's case, that's Medicare (the federally funded healthcare system in the U.S., for overseas CWCikipedians). Since he is permanently disabled (his autism won't be "cured" by GodJesus or any of Chris's forgiveness blessings), he will ALWAYS receive Medicare, which pays for 80% of most healthcare excluding dental, vision, etc, but, as noted, his SSI is contingent on his total income & the poverty level in Virginia. I think he technically receives more than $800/month, but the money that's not deposited into his bank goes straight toward paying his Medicare premium. Obviously it's different for every case. Anyway, there are several other Social Security type benefits like Veterans, Survivors, Death, etc, but it always causes confusion because the acronyms are all fucked -- the Nixon administration or whoever didn't think their cunning plan through. Talktalktalk 16:00, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

Thanks for clearing that shit up, I can see I was confused on a number of points. Well done. Dkaien 16:33, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

Actually, no, Chris's check is SSDI because they had to use Bob's work record to file for it. That wouldn't have been necessary if it was SSI. Chris would also be subject to extremely stringent asset rules if he was receiving SSI. Kazmeyer 16:59, 3 October 2010 (PDT)

I was hoping someone would come in on this to help clear it up. Can you point me to where you found that bit about Bob filing for it? Like I said, with federal & state benefits, the acronyms are all over the place, and it's possible that when they said SSDI they were talking about something specific to Virginia (I think Chris receives food stamps, but not sure, but that would be under Virginia's Medicaid program). They probably filed when Chris was still a minor and thus a dependent of Bob's/Barb's so they might've had to give *their* work record, etc to file for it. To my knowledge, SSDI is Medicare, SSI is the cash benefits. Sorry for the edit war but just want to make sure it's accurate. Thanks Talktalktalk 21:05, 3 October 2010 (PDT)