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==To Do==
[[Talk:Chris and his Ego/Archive 1|Archive 1]]


I know there is so much more we can do on Chris's ego. His ego knows no bounds and it has to be documented somehow. I kicked it off after someone put the page up, but there's more to be done. MUCH more. --[[User:Blazer|Blazer]] 03:32, 26 November 2009 (CET)
[[Talk:Chris and his Ego/Archive 2|Archive 2]]


Oh man. I feel that this dude probably put up the page after I recently mentioned it as an idea on Requested pages. Well, okay, I feel some kind of responsibility now... I'll try to contribute to it, when I have a bit more time. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 03:59, 26 November 2009 (CET)
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:Chris has ego issues like a hardcore heroin addict has self-control issues.  This page could end up being huge.
==What the fuck?==
:Also, I kinda want to move it to "Chris and Egotism".  I'm dumb like that. --[[User:Beat|Beat]] 04:57, 26 November 2009 (CET)
Why is there pictures of an old man holding his hairy ass open all over the page? Just WTF?! --[[User:Callitcwc|Callitcwc]] 23:13, 16 September 2012 (PTC)


We could start with his comics portayal, including the self-indulging fantasies he has with the infamous [[Sub-episodes]].
==Archived==
With the massive rewrite of this article complete, old news has been archived.  Keep up the good work adding details and improving our shiny new article! --[[User:Dude|Dude]] 23:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


Okay, my two cents:
*How he thinks he's a celebrity;
*How he thinks every aspect of his life is of utter importance (just like us lol);
*How he thinks adding his name and CWCverse references to anything would actually improve its chances for success (case in point: Harvey Birdman ad);
*How he named his fictional town and every damn thing in it after his own initials;
*How he thinks the things he creates (not just the comics) are of much better quality than mere mortals do (case in point: fanart, and various contests he participated in);
*How he thought Kacey was attracted to THE TRUE AND HONEST CREATOR OF THE GODDAMN SONICHU, and not just to a funny guy who can play a mean guitar;
*How he can't let anyone be better than himself in anything (case in point: his reply to "Leonardo da Vinci" concerning [[inventions]]);
*How he still believes he has thousands of true and honest fans, and that all mail and fanart he gets is sent by his admirers, and hasn't got even a slight bit suspicious...
That's the ideas I've got for now. I'll try to put that down in a more coherent way maybe later maybe today. Well, if anyone else wants to do just that sooner, be my guest :) --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 05:18, 26 November 2009 (CET)


*If you're going to do this page, tread carefully. Stick to what Chris has actually said about himself and how great he is, and not just e-psychology about how he's narcissistic and the like. Your list thus far seems pretty good and reasonable but just adding this as a warning so it doesn't delve into e-psychology because really, if you want to hear some random faggots babbling on about why Chris is messed up, that's what PVCC and /cwc/ is for. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 09:45, 26 November 2009 (CET)
Just threw in something that struck me from his [[Alec Benson Leary Phone Call 9|phone call]] with [[Asperchu|Alec]]. I'm not sure they entirely fit, but I couldn't think where else to put it. If a better spot comes up or it's deemed unnecessary, feel free to move around/delete as needed. [[User:Borednewb|Borednewb]] 04:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)
*I saw the text; nice little piece. The community will decide on a whole if this stays (just like any other Wiki) but I think the info you brought in got a proper place here. Nice work, please do more. [[User:Griffintown|Griffintown]] 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


:*Of course, it would be only based on real examples. However, I thought it should be based not only on what Chris ''said'', but what he ''did'' also. Sometimes deeds speak louder than words. E.g., when he spent half of the Harvey "Dirdban" ad speaking about himself and Sonichu... because he actually thought it would make the ad ''more'' interesting, not ''less''! He didn't explicitly say "I am great", but his actions spoke pretty clearly. Oh well. I swear I'll get down to writing it, maybe today even --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:08, 26 November 2009 (CET)
== Update ==


Chris thinks we hate him because we're jealous of his artistic genius and him making Sonichu first, according to him in Mailbag 5. Normally, I'd rage at something like this, but knowing that Chris is entirely unaware of the depths of our hate is comforting. --[[User:OFSheep|OFSheep]] 04:50, 29 November 2009 (CET)
I updated the page to include the release of the 100...something video. it was juts something quick and also the video is being planned for rename so i would be thankful if someone updated and corrected the entry.[[User:J0haely|J0haely]] 03:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)`


==New article idea==
== jesus christ narcissistic personality disorder ==
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder


Chris and Family Values
    * An oversensitive temperament at birth
    * Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
    * Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
    * Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
    * Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
    * Severe emotional abuse in childhood
    * Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
    * Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for poor behaviors in childhood


basically how he was raised and his idea and roles in a family
how many of these apply to chris? hurrr [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 20:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
* Well, if we believe his stories about the abusive babysitter and the Nathaniel Greene scream-recording incident, I'd say all of them are true (except the latter part of the last one, I doubt that Bob and Barb ever criticized Chris for anything when he was a kid) [[User:Banzai881|Banzai881]] 20:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
::I'm requesting someone to wikilink or whatever the fuck its called and put it up on the main page. [[User:Clydec|Clydec]] 04:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
::See below regarding the last one. --[[User:Sonichuis44|Sonichuis44]] 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)


Yes/No?--[[User:Pikimon|Pikimon]] 07:28, 26 November 2009 (CET)
==Chris and toys?==
*Imo, it's a good idea. There would be a quick description of the messed-up Chandler family (you know, Cole Smithey, the things), Sonichu & Rosechu's family, Chris's thoughts on family life, etc. I would just suggest naming it "Chris and Family", for more easiness in use. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 10:08, 26 November 2009 (CET)
"This stems from childhood when Snorlax would take Chris to the toy store and encourage him to to talk by giving him toys if he could read them out loud." Sauce? This would really explain a lot. Also, how much fucking money do they have, geez --[[User:Sonichuis44|Sonichuis44]] 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)
*You would be shocked, it's along the lines of living in a trailer park but owning a porsche. Chris gets $800 a month, subtract $500 for rent, add in Bob's pension and disablity check, Snorlax's disablity check and you get a tidy sum. [[User:CFA|CFA]] 15:16, 20 December 2010 (PST)CFA


:*To be honest, I'm not really sure how much you can expand on this. There's some stuff about how Chris was disciplined as a child but it's not public yet, and one of the things Panda never released was the two of them playing house where Chris would role play how he would act as a father. If we had either, then we could definitely have an article but IMHO, at the moment, we could only say Bob and Barb don't give a fuck, that Chris would discipline Reginald for pissing in the ceiling, etc. --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 00:18, 27 November 2009 (CET)
==NPD==
::*I see what you mean, and probably you're right. The thing I was getting to, though, is: Chris wants to marry a girl asap, and give birth to a daughter (and maybe a son) asap, and at the same time ''doesn't have any idea what to do in a married life''. All he thinks of is sex, sex, sex, kids and adventures, and this encompasses all of his views on family. But okay, probably, it's still not enough for an article. --[[User:GokuGetEm|GokuGetEm]] 13:26, 27 November 2009 (CET)
I can't see Chris having NPD.


Thank of you guys for contributing things tot this long over-due article. I am going to work on it now. [[User: Jsks|Jsks]]
'''1.has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)'''
*First concession


==Article renaming==
'''2.is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love'''
The article itself is starting to look pretty good, but I think the name kinda sucks. I know there's a "Chris and..." series but I really think this can be renamed "Chris's ego." Thoughts? --[[User:Champthom|Champthom]] 19:49, 30 November 2009 (CET)
*I don't think Chris exhibits this symptom. He wants love, but he isn't obsessed with fantasies of being omnipotent. He sits in his room and plays vidya, and he knows it. He's pretty normal for a virginal 30-year-old in this category as far as I can tell.
:*Maybe "Chris's view of reality"?--[[User:CrassCrab|The Great Wizard CrassCrab, Lord of the Seven Realm and Master of the Archane Black Arts of the Eleventh Trans-Dimensional Vortex]] 17:04, 2 December 2009 (CET)
 
'''3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)'''
*This isn't true at all. He whored himself out online, regularly sat outdoors with an attraction sign, and chatted with underage women on Facebook. He's wanted to be published, but so do a lot of other people and they aren't necessarily NPD. He's desperate and begs for everything he gets.
 
'''4. requires excessive admiration'''
*No. He wants what he sees as a regular relationship. Yeah, it's skewed, but it's what he thinks everyone else gets anyway. That's more of an issue with his social maladjustment than anything else.
 
'''5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations'''
*This is true, but it's pretty well-documented that it has more to do with his parents than anything else, so I'd say this isn't about NPD.
 
'''6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends'''
*We have a couple isolated incidents of this, but in general he [[Honest Content|lays all his cards on the table.]] I wouldn't call him manipulative beyond that of the average human, but one might be led to believe it because we have the times he DOES try to manipulate people well-documented.
 
'''7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others'''
*Mkay
 
'''8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her'''
*I wouldn't necessarily agree with this either. He wants women, but other than that he doesn't seem to express envy. Furthermore, outside of Sonichu, he doesn't seem to believe others are envious of him. The Sonichu thing can be explained more easily by saying that Chris thinks he's sitting on a goldmine, and so boasts about it.
 
 
'''9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes'''
*Fine
 
So that's 3 symptoms I agree with, maybe 4 if you count #5, when a minimum of 5 is necessary for diagnosis. I honestly don't see why this section should stay, when it's just self-fulfilling prophesy. DSM-IV is a piece of shit anyway. [[User:Freecell|Freecell]] 17:42, 20 December 2010 (PST)
 
:I have to agree that NPD does not apply to him, as his PDD better explains his symptoms than any potential Axis II diagnosis [[User:Anonymous one|Anonymous one]] 14:57, 4 April 2011 (PDT)
 
:I have to disagree with you on several points. #8 is probably the easiest, what with the "Firstly, YOU WISH YOU WERE ME..." in the rejected Mailbag 10. For #4? His claim that he has over a billion fans seems kind of like excessive admiration. #6 can be shown with his interactions with Liquid Chris, where he tries to take advantage of the fact that he thought that there was someone else called Chris Chandler, who had a girlfriend, and he thought that he could take advantage of that. His failures at blackmail (and his success with his half brother) also seem rather exploitative. For #2, his idea of making a girlfriend into a "sweetheart from the ground-up" (Ground-up what, exactly?) seems like an attempt at ideal love, and his whole idea that he has real power in his curse attacks really seem like a delusional fantasy. As for #3, its a little harder, but it's still there. His treatment of other people with autism, especially those with more severe afflictions, seems to indicate that he believes that he is undoubtedly "special", and his readiness to accept the idea that president Bush would personally get involved with his petty conflict with a community college and that Miyamoto would contact him personally, seem like pretty clear indications that he believes that people who are special will quickly recognize him as also special. For #5, that seems like that could rather cause it to grow into large proportions, there's not necessarily anything saying that the two aren't linked.
 
:There's also the fact that he seems to have a sort of materialism that fits with NPD, something that people with Aspergers might seem to have. As several of my friends and I have Aspergers, I have noted that there are some pretty big differences there, that are extremely telling. His destruction of the PS3 is perhaps the most obvious example of this. His materialism seems to stem from simply wanting to have something. The item itself is often much less important than actually having it. However, people with Aspergers tend to get things that they mostly want, and also tend to collect things that they feel may have some use later on. It also comes with the fact that items tend to gain a very large amount of sentimental value over time, sometimes greatly exceeding the value of the item itself. If Chris' desire to hoard things was a result of Aspergers and not NPD, then I doubt he would have destroyed his PS3, $9001 offer or not. I really believe that Chris has ''both'' disorders, but the Narcissism is actually a larger factor than autism is. --[[User:CannedPeas|CannedPeas]] 15:58, 11 July 2011 (PDT)
 
== "Parody of a parody" ==
 
That seems more like something he picked up reading a review of something like ''Scary Movie'' which emphasises that making a joke movie about a movie that was already a joke is a really stupid idea since it's pointless to mock something that was never serious to start with. So he knows a parody of a parody is bad, and just applies it to his homebrew definition of parody. [[User:Ted Van Gruder|Ted Van Gruder]] 10:29, 17 January 2012 (PST)
 
== Why is the page so zoomed out? ==
 
I can't read it without zooming in. --[[User:Muchacho1994|Muchacho1994]] ([[User talk:Muchacho1994|talk]]) 05:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)
 
== Comic appearance charts ==
 
I have (autistically) went through the comics (issues 0-13)and counted each appearance of Chris, Sonichu, and Rosechu and put in an excel doc, making a few charts.  I felt like this data could go here but I'm not sure if it has a better place somewhere else.  Any input?  --[[User:Finnegan|Finnegan]] ([[User talk:Finnegan|talk]]) 00:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 
 
Personally, I feel that long pages should not get longer. I would be interested in seeing this get its own page, including supplementary information. [[User:AReasonableMan|AReasonableMan]] ([[User talk:AReasonableMan|talk]]) 01:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)
 
== Capitalization ==
 
Minor nitpick but shouldn't the title be [[Chris and his ego]], without the capital E? All the other "Chris and" articles are lowercase, except for proper nouns like English and Spanish. Ego isn't a proper noun. Just for consistency. [[User:AAE|AAE]] ([[User talk:AAE|talk]]) 23:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)
 
:Good point, moved the page. [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 00:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
 
== Deletion of paranoia section ==
 
Pretty much the entire Paranoia section should probably be deleted (maybe the paragraph about the BK employee can be moved to [[Hypocrisy]]). The section in general's either outdated (Chris hasn't shown it for years) or leaves out context (it omits the role the Miscreants trolls had in shaping his paranoia). Would anyone object to the deletion? [[User:Hurtful Truth Level|Hurtful Truth Level]] ([[User talk:Hurtful Truth Level|talk]]) 06:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 01:24, 20 February 2022

Archive 1

Archive 2

What the fuck?

Why is there pictures of an old man holding his hairy ass open all over the page? Just WTF?! --Callitcwc 23:13, 16 September 2012 (PTC)

Archived

With the massive rewrite of this article complete, old news has been archived. Keep up the good work adding details and improving our shiny new article! --Dude 23:11, 23 January 2010 (UTC)


Just threw in something that struck me from his phone call with Alec. I'm not sure they entirely fit, but I couldn't think where else to put it. If a better spot comes up or it's deemed unnecessary, feel free to move around/delete as needed. Borednewb 04:20, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

  • I saw the text; nice little piece. The community will decide on a whole if this stays (just like any other Wiki) but I think the info you brought in got a proper place here. Nice work, please do more. Griffintown 04:31, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Update

I updated the page to include the release of the 100...something video. it was juts something quick and also the video is being planned for rename so i would be thankful if someone updated and corrected the entry.J0haely 03:00, 10 May 2010 (UTC)`

jesus christ narcissistic personality disorder

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder

   * An oversensitive temperament at birth
   * Overindulgence and overvaluation by parents
   * Valued by parents as a means to regulate their own self-esteem
   * Excessive admiration that is never balanced with realistic feedback
   * Unpredictable or unreliable caregiving from parents
   * Severe emotional abuse in childhood
   * Being praised for perceived exceptional looks or talents by adults
   * Excessive praise for good behaviors or excessive criticism for poor behaviors in childhood

how many of these apply to chris? hurrr Clydec 20:15, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

  • Well, if we believe his stories about the abusive babysitter and the Nathaniel Greene scream-recording incident, I'd say all of them are true (except the latter part of the last one, I doubt that Bob and Barb ever criticized Chris for anything when he was a kid) Banzai881 20:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)
I'm requesting someone to wikilink or whatever the fuck its called and put it up on the main page. Clydec 04:57, 22 July 2010 (UTC)
See below regarding the last one. --Sonichuis44 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)

Chris and toys?

"This stems from childhood when Snorlax would take Chris to the toy store and encourage him to to talk by giving him toys if he could read them out loud." Sauce? This would really explain a lot. Also, how much fucking money do they have, geez --Sonichuis44 19:55, 14 September 2010 (PDT)

  • You would be shocked, it's along the lines of living in a trailer park but owning a porsche. Chris gets $800 a month, subtract $500 for rent, add in Bob's pension and disablity check, Snorlax's disablity check and you get a tidy sum. CFA 15:16, 20 December 2010 (PST)CFA

NPD

I can't see Chris having NPD.

1.has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

  • First concession

2.is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

  • I don't think Chris exhibits this symptom. He wants love, but he isn't obsessed with fantasies of being omnipotent. He sits in his room and plays vidya, and he knows it. He's pretty normal for a virginal 30-year-old in this category as far as I can tell.

3. believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

  • This isn't true at all. He whored himself out online, regularly sat outdoors with an attraction sign, and chatted with underage women on Facebook. He's wanted to be published, but so do a lot of other people and they aren't necessarily NPD. He's desperate and begs for everything he gets.

4. requires excessive admiration

  • No. He wants what he sees as a regular relationship. Yeah, it's skewed, but it's what he thinks everyone else gets anyway. That's more of an issue with his social maladjustment than anything else.

5. has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable treatment or automatic compliance with his or her expectations

  • This is true, but it's pretty well-documented that it has more to do with his parents than anything else, so I'd say this isn't about NPD.

6. is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends

  • We have a couple isolated incidents of this, but in general he lays all his cards on the table. I wouldn't call him manipulative beyond that of the average human, but one might be led to believe it because we have the times he DOES try to manipulate people well-documented.

7. lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others

  • Mkay

8. is often envious of others or believes others are envious of him or her

  • I wouldn't necessarily agree with this either. He wants women, but other than that he doesn't seem to express envy. Furthermore, outside of Sonichu, he doesn't seem to believe others are envious of him. The Sonichu thing can be explained more easily by saying that Chris thinks he's sitting on a goldmine, and so boasts about it.


9. shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

  • Fine

So that's 3 symptoms I agree with, maybe 4 if you count #5, when a minimum of 5 is necessary for diagnosis. I honestly don't see why this section should stay, when it's just self-fulfilling prophesy. DSM-IV is a piece of shit anyway. Freecell 17:42, 20 December 2010 (PST)

I have to agree that NPD does not apply to him, as his PDD better explains his symptoms than any potential Axis II diagnosis Anonymous one 14:57, 4 April 2011 (PDT)
I have to disagree with you on several points. #8 is probably the easiest, what with the "Firstly, YOU WISH YOU WERE ME..." in the rejected Mailbag 10. For #4? His claim that he has over a billion fans seems kind of like excessive admiration. #6 can be shown with his interactions with Liquid Chris, where he tries to take advantage of the fact that he thought that there was someone else called Chris Chandler, who had a girlfriend, and he thought that he could take advantage of that. His failures at blackmail (and his success with his half brother) also seem rather exploitative. For #2, his idea of making a girlfriend into a "sweetheart from the ground-up" (Ground-up what, exactly?) seems like an attempt at ideal love, and his whole idea that he has real power in his curse attacks really seem like a delusional fantasy. As for #3, its a little harder, but it's still there. His treatment of other people with autism, especially those with more severe afflictions, seems to indicate that he believes that he is undoubtedly "special", and his readiness to accept the idea that president Bush would personally get involved with his petty conflict with a community college and that Miyamoto would contact him personally, seem like pretty clear indications that he believes that people who are special will quickly recognize him as also special. For #5, that seems like that could rather cause it to grow into large proportions, there's not necessarily anything saying that the two aren't linked.
There's also the fact that he seems to have a sort of materialism that fits with NPD, something that people with Aspergers might seem to have. As several of my friends and I have Aspergers, I have noted that there are some pretty big differences there, that are extremely telling. His destruction of the PS3 is perhaps the most obvious example of this. His materialism seems to stem from simply wanting to have something. The item itself is often much less important than actually having it. However, people with Aspergers tend to get things that they mostly want, and also tend to collect things that they feel may have some use later on. It also comes with the fact that items tend to gain a very large amount of sentimental value over time, sometimes greatly exceeding the value of the item itself. If Chris' desire to hoard things was a result of Aspergers and not NPD, then I doubt he would have destroyed his PS3, $9001 offer or not. I really believe that Chris has both disorders, but the Narcissism is actually a larger factor than autism is. --CannedPeas 15:58, 11 July 2011 (PDT)

"Parody of a parody"

That seems more like something he picked up reading a review of something like Scary Movie which emphasises that making a joke movie about a movie that was already a joke is a really stupid idea since it's pointless to mock something that was never serious to start with. So he knows a parody of a parody is bad, and just applies it to his homebrew definition of parody. Ted Van Gruder 10:29, 17 January 2012 (PST)

Why is the page so zoomed out?

I can't read it without zooming in. --Muchacho1994 (talk) 05:59, 22 July 2017 (UTC)

Comic appearance charts

I have (autistically) went through the comics (issues 0-13)and counted each appearance of Chris, Sonichu, and Rosechu and put in an excel doc, making a few charts. I felt like this data could go here but I'm not sure if it has a better place somewhere else. Any input? --Finnegan (talk) 00:14, 17 May 2019 (UTC)


Personally, I feel that long pages should not get longer. I would be interested in seeing this get its own page, including supplementary information. AReasonableMan (talk) 01:52, 17 May 2019 (UTC)

Capitalization

Minor nitpick but shouldn't the title be Chris and his ego, without the capital E? All the other "Chris and" articles are lowercase, except for proper nouns like English and Spanish. Ego isn't a proper noun. Just for consistency. AAE (talk) 23:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

Good point, moved the page. Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 00:11, 29 July 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of paranoia section

Pretty much the entire Paranoia section should probably be deleted (maybe the paragraph about the BK employee can be moved to Hypocrisy). The section in general's either outdated (Chris hasn't shown it for years) or leaves out context (it omits the role the Miscreants trolls had in shaping his paranoia). Would anyone object to the deletion? Hurtful Truth Level (talk) 06:24, 20 February 2022 (UTC)